Call the city council meeting of October
11th or August 11, 2026 to order at 7
p.m. Please call the roll.
Council proper
council
>> here
» please rise and pledge please
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of America.
I want to thank each of you who took
time to attend tonight. Any guests who
are physically present need to fill in
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And we're running a hybrid meeting
tonight to allow those who wish to
attend remotely to do so.
do cut down on background noise. Blue
banks promoted attendee should mute
themselves while not speaking. Staff
members and guests on the agenda will
need to unmute themselves and give
reports to council and audience members
may unmute themselves to speak during
the public hearings and during citizen
comments.
The next item on the agenda is the
consent agenda
which contains financial report from
July 2026 and the minutes from the
council meeting held on July 21st.
and vote on these individually or
together. I would entertain a motion
that the that the governing body of the
city of Holly approved the business
items in the consent agenda as
submitted.
>> Second. All in favor?
>> I post.
>> Thank you very much.
Y do we have any agenda adjustments?
>> Um we do have one small agenda
adjustment and that is the matter we are
already discussing some of the upcoming
council meetings
>> for October. There is a related there is
another thing related to the September
meeting. So I would like to add the
discussion to the September meeting
during that time. Okay. during the
>> sometime I two
>> and then
>> oh yeah
>> council
approves that they can just entertain
motion to add the address please.
>> Okay.
>> Have a question. We seconded the motion
I missed.
>> I second.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» So
what does council say?
>> You see the delegations?
>> Yes.
Okay.
» So, next would be since Link County
Sheriff's Office here, are you doing the
report, Jen, or Steve?
» Okay. You want to do that second or
>> um make him circle back to see unless
the other wants to present it. She's
welcome to. It's up to you.
>> Yeah, it's up to you, Jeff. I can I can
present it. Okay.
So in July of this year, poly usually
had 72 contracted hours. Sheriff's
office performed 73.25
hours, which included two traffic
citations, five traffic warnings, zero
arrest, and the total number of
incidents and investigated were 28.
>> Pretty normal.
>> Yeah.
No story in the property times. There
was a
uh broken window. The investigation is
still ongoing. Uh suspicious persons.
Those persons were watching the trains
and videoing trains and there was a lot
of fireworks.
>> Yeah.
» Any questions, comments?
I have a question on this one.
>> Yes.
>> Uh assisted another agency with getting
a missing person's form signed.
>> Yes.
>> Is it the missing person signing the
form or is it to say
>> okay to say that they're missing?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. I was like, how do you get a
missing person to sign a form?
>> Okay.
>> Yes.
>> Thank you.
Do you want to discuss the uh
meeting now?
>> Um
>> or you want to move it to new business?
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
So, some comments,
>> right? I just wonder if you want to do
that meeting of delegations or new
business
meeting September.
>> Oh, no. We can't talk about that in new
business. Okay. I just want to make
sure. Yeah.
>> What?
>> Just want to make sure.
>> Okay.
>> Next item on the agenda is citizen
comment. This is time for interested
citizens and anyone in the audience to
address the council
on any item of concern. Please limit
your comments to about three minutes and
please start by introducing yourself and
stating your address. Um also do we have
any written comments?
>> We do.
>> Okay. Start with that.
>> Yes, please.
>> Okay. We received a written comment via
our comment submission form on August
8th from Mr. Zane Goodwin. Um the
comment states
in the June 9th city council minutes the
city has stated that the H3 project is
not considered a land action and that
this conclusion has been affirmed by the
city planner planning consultant with
full council. I'm asking the city to
revisit whether the that responsibly
addresses appendix A of the Hollyy
comprehensive plan. Appendix A section
three states that the planning
commission shall review and comment on
proposed land actions and programs that
may impact resources on the housing
register of historical resources. Each
part of that language matters. It says
shall not pay. It includes both land
actions and programs, not just land
actions. And the threshold is whether
something may impact a registered
resource, not whether it physically
alters and demolishes the historic
building in it. The house at 791
Westport Street is on these register of
historic resources. The city's earlier
explanation that there's no permit to
alter or demolish the building appears
to address a kind of a separate
provision concerning alteration of and
demolition permits. It does not appear
to answer section three uh subsection 4
which separately addresses land actions
and programs that may impact registered
historic resources. This question is
more significant now that the August
council packet describes the final H
street design as including substantial
storm water infrastructure, drainage and
coverts and added system capacity in an
area where most no storm facilities
previously existed. Has the city
determined whether the H street project
is a program that may impact the house
under appendix a section 3 section 4? If
so, please identify where that
determination can. If not, I
respectfully ask that to the project be
referred to the planning commission for
review and comments required by P for
construction.
>> Okay.
But I just want to clarify that in that
June meeting we stated it was a land
action because the land action was
created by the adoption of the top plan
and during that land action it
identified and which previously I mean
the land the road had been plotted since
the 1870s but that very specific action
was a state requirement to do a
transportation component and that
transportation component says these are
roads
>> right
>> and they belong to the city and if we
use them for roads and we improvements
for roads then that's not a action or
program. Um and so that is what I just
want to provide that kind of clarity
that is why it's not only in action is
because the action was the comp plan.
It's in the comprehensive plan, in the
transportation plan, and also in that
section of the plan, it says that we'll
improve pay. You know, that I'm not I
don't want to misspe because I know I'm
not speaking verbatim, but it does state
that we will improve city roads. And so,
we're not trying to be dismissive, but
that is why it is not a new action is
that it's just literally not classified
as a land action.
Do
>> we have our comp plan posted?
Yes.
Okay.
So, anybody in the audience wish to
speak?
Okay. Moving on to reports to council.
Start with the uh city administrative
report.
» Okay. So,
I don't see
>> I know
>> don't sit at home and practice
your report. So we as you know have lots
of projects some large some also large
um and the update on inflow and
infiltration everything frankly is ready
to start really fired up infiltration
DQ approved the final bid documents we
actually have um gone through we are
developing our timelines which is what I
will talk about in the September meeting
and there are certain things that we're
required to do so the DQ is the funding
source We are required to send our bid
documents to them for approval before we
actually open the procurement. And so
they've approved, they like the
language, we followed all their rules
and their contract language stuff. Our
legal council reviewed it. Um we added
the the things that they asked. They
reviewed it again. Final approval. When
you do this level of procurement, there
are certain timelines that are required.
So we have to close for a certain amount
of time. We have to provide our notice
of intent to award. And then we have to
give seven days after posting that
notice of intent to award. And it's
essentially a period of time where other
people can like object to our award and we would have to provide our
tabulations and all the things that we
use to make our determination for the
contract we selected and then council
approves our intent to award. So after
that 70-day window. Um so that's where
we're at. All of those things are
timelined through the end of August and
interly September. When we have the
intent to award and we have the bid
packages, we must submit those back to
DEEQ.
Again, that's why the September part
kind of matters, right?
>> We have to submit them back to DEEQ
before we can actually award. And so
they have to review our bid documents,
our bids that we receive
>> and our selection criteria and say like,
yes, we've done everything with
Fidelity. And then once they approve the
contract be selected, we are allowed to
then have council
make that final or so lots of things
going on with INI. Much of it very
technical, timeline driven, not very
crowded at all. Um, but that's that's
rocking and rolling. That's exciting.
Uh, the H Street project, it's design is
complete for the H Street project. The
final design, again, it it did include
some substantial storm water
infrastructure. Um,
sections over there where we have
already done some like French drains and
things,
>> right?
>> So, um you know, just making sure that
there's proper pulver works. This also,
as you all know, includes a repair to
existing storm water infrastructure
that's actually pretty substantial. It
goes like all the way underneath H
Street and and then to the north like
300 feet or so. That's an exaggeration
for sure. I'm wrong on this photo. Like
100 feet, but it's a lot. So the whole
length of it is quite a bit,
>> right?
>> And so that's, you know, those those
things need to be done while the road
bed is dug up,
>> right?
>> But they're adding cost to the project.
Some of those project costs there is um
some opportunity for us to use some
SDCs, but those are very limited
opportunities. And so we want to be very
diligent about our research in that
regard. We are going to bid on this. We
would like to we are working on the bid
language to ensure that we're protecting
ourselves to have the withhold the right
to cancel the procurement and move the
larger procurement or cancel items
within the scope in order to get things
within budget. Those are all things that
we're allowed to do. You just want to be
very very clear in the invitation to bid
language and the language in that whole
big packet so that you are covering
yourself to do those things once you
start getting into negotiations with
their um there's also you know threshold
things. So if the procurement exceeds
250,000
to one person then it bumps into a
higher level of legal review and some
extra steps. It also bumps it into a
review that would require us to go
through a sealed bid more formal
process. We don't anticipate one
contractor. It should not be that one
contractor would exceed that amount, but
we just want to build in those
protections in the procurement even
though we're paying to have to go back
to bid, you know,
>> we are um positioning ourselves to
regroup and do the whole process if it
turns out that we need to. Um, but that
one I'm writing now. It's very technical
soon. We're gonna post that bid soon.
It's really just about and and frankly
once I write it, I have to send it to a
legal team review, but it's ready to go.
Um, I'll also double check with uh ODOT
because it is a ODOT grant,
>> right?
>> To see if they have any I'll review and
see if we have to send it for to them
for review as well. Sometimes that's
true. Um well 24 of park projects as you
know it turns out we have to do one more
pathway and fortunately there was
leftover grant funds to do so. If you
haven't seen them yet they should be in
the park today. It is considered a small
project. It'll be nice to be able to
have something that we were easily baked
to easy to take to procure it. Get it
turned around and be finished this week.
Uh that will create a path that goes
from the updated path that we put in
last year to one of the benches by the
new playground. So, it'll just line
right up. I think the only change order
we might have now that they're on site
is that we realized that the bench
like the bench cement,
>> they're 4 feet by eight, but APA for a
walkway is recommended at 5 to six feet.
So, our path, our existing path is 5t
wide. The path that we are putting in,
we can't do path that we're putting in
to the playground also 5t wide. So we
may there is funding left over. We may
if the change order doesn't result in in
too if it's not too much of a hassle
actually create like an additional path
on that back side of an additional foot
so that it's at least square.
>> Sure.
>> So that would be potentially the only
change order that I see on that project
and we will wrap it up
>> and then we're done with it. Right.
>> Yes.
>> Yay.
>> Done with it. Other things at the park
we have lined up for fall but those are
just they're unrelated to the grant. Um
it's just continuing to pour into that
resource that we have. U we keep talking
about planting trees. You have to plant
them in the fall or spring,
>> right?
>> In spring we do budget. So all of my
hopes and dreams about planting in the
spring have been not come to fruition
several times. So this year we are
planting trees in the fall. Plant them
not in the fall or spring. It just is
really hard. It's a lot more effort and
not the best practice. Um and then also,
you know, we put in the annual flowers
under the sign. And so I think it would
be nice to consider what things are good
for fall planting and start
transitioning to those to perennials
that won't be like the annual invest
like spending money on all those flowers
every year um when we could pick other
more native solutions.
>> True.
>> Yeah. So fun stuff at the park. Easy
stuff.
>> You guys know trees, right? Lots of
shovels. John needs a shovel. He knows
how to do it. He does. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um the 24 project
the EPA well project review continues
that cross country. As you guys know we
have different buckets of money for the
grant. Both of them EPA both of them
from different granting agencies. We're
so grateful.
We are
um so
I've sent all of the followup
documentation to the people that we got
the $350,000 grant from. but they're a
pass through an eight. And so we got
that grant through an organization
called Philanthropy Northwest who
essentially was the recipient of the
grant and they subor these EPA cuts. We
still have to follow all the EPA rules,
but they're I talked to them and then
they talked to the EPA. So I they say
EPA wants this. I send it to them. Well,
I had a conference with our pre-awward
officer with the $700,000 loan and asked
a million questions and I um we
discussed that we were hoping to merge
the cross cutters and say, "Hey, what
about the rest of this project? Can we
just add it to this already active
review?" And she would like to keep them
separate. Here was the benefit of that
meeting.
was with the EPA.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, good. So I feel like the way that
she was able to address my questions and
no I mean absolutely I've been the other
agency has been very helpful but to
speak directly to the agency that you're
receiving the money for that like enacts
the rules uh it was really really
beneficial. I actually pulled out the
site plan and showed her the area and
what would go where, where the grand
survey like on Google Earth and she
was optimistic that it was going to be
easy to get through the process of
shift.
>> Again, we cannot hold over to that.
Right.
>> Right.
>> She did not make any promises, but it
was very um reassuring that it is again
it's not a high impact project. It is on
already developed area. is on our public
works, you know, it's in our public
workshop. So those things are all voting
very well for us. So like fingers
crossed we will get the exemption that
we're
>> good
>> the exemption from the deep dive review.
This is this is the top this is the
first review.
I am actively writing a I also want
about making sure an engineer record is
compliant with any of the federal
recruitment rules because a engineer
record on a federal grant project. You
can but there are a lot of rules about
it.
>> And so I asked all the questions about
that so that um we are going to go for
another engineer record. We are still
going to work with our current engineer
record. We're just deepening our bench.
We've talked about it a lot. I got all
the information I need. So I'm
developing that so we can go off for
engineer engineer of record. I also will
be calling meeting with our integrator
of record which is basically our water
treatment plant programmer to start
really refining that portion of the
project. Um as you know we've had some
hiccups at the water treatment plant as
of late and they have been frustrating
and there it's showing its age. The guys
are really good about keeping it running
but it is showing its age. So, we're
trying to position ourselves so that as
soon as we get through that
environmental review step, we are ready
for we are just ready to develop bid
packages and go to construction. Um, I
also got approval once there's a couple
more chat boxes we need to check, but
some of the things that we will need for
the water trainer plan, the computer
components, some of them in talking to
the integrators, the people who come out
and do our programming and help us when
our automations are not working right or
something's going on. Um they had
mentioned that there are things that are
like six months out to order. And so I
Yeah. And so one of the things that we
want to do is again with that we want to
make sure that we're compliant with all
the rules. There's so many rules of
federal advance. It's such hard money
but we're grateful again. um if we could
purchase those items
prior to completion of the environmental
review
and if they are supply purchases under a
certain cost threshold which all of them
should be that is allowance. So once we
like really have the scope of what we're
going to need
>> um in in discussions with the
integrators, we can actually start
ordering stuff
>> and get it on the shelf and be ready
again. Just be ready to rock and roll at
that.
>> Um that is the well project.
» Okay. Safe to school. The project launch
meeting was held last week. We des we
did discuss all project activities. Um,
and so there's going to be kind of a big
push in early September. One of the
things that we that is going to be
asking is to participate in an
interactive map. Like we want feedback
from people who see kids walking to
school, who have kids walking to school,
drive and pick up their kids, but are
like navigating that whole drop off
pickup situation at the elementary
school in particular. And so this
interactive map allows community members
to like go to a easy to access site,
click on parts of like it's going to be
like a map of our town and click on
sections and make your comments on what
issues you're seeing there. you can just
like and we also requested if they could
provide like a short three minute um you
know one to three minute just like this
is how it works video so we could
develop like a landing page on the
quality website that has some of those
like supporting materials to help people
navigate that tool.
>> Yeah.
>> Um and also pressure updates. So that's
coming in the fall. Um, we are going to
have enough materials to have a little
bit of an info booth like coming soon
and potentially even actually like QR
codes and postcards and things for
people to start participating at the
summer barbecue.
>> Okay.
>> So, I let them know that timeline and
that's a big event for us and that
having those materials by them would be
really really helpful. So, they're going
to make sure that happens. Stacy and I
also discussed, counselor Strauss and I
also discussed um that we would
meet up at the school during pick up and
drop off and literally hand things out
to people. We're going to just solicit
them to participate in our survey. So,
as long as
>> join
that then we're gonna be um doing that
as well, you know, period. We're going
to be doing that. So, we're going to
really try to get the word out. Um, and
that project goes on. So, a lot of fall
stuff coming up. Uh, SMAT, so much so
much updates, you guys. Smack has been
hard at work this summer. Um, we
definitely spent winter and spring
restructuring. We've talked about how we
went through the first long session. We
partnered with a lobbyist, end up not
being a good fit. got through that long
session and you know back in 2024 and
then following that we parted ways with
that lobbyist and we have essentially
been restructuring. So we spent 2025
getting things back together doing some
restructuring figuring out what SMAP
looks like going forward and then we
started delegating tasks. We have
started having monthly meetings and we
are moving forward some with onboarding
a new lobbyist firm consultants group
and um really looking into we've been
providing some council training
opportunities. So we're really
I feel like it's rock and rolling and
our goal is really the next step is that
we are really trying to
you know and so the effort of smack is
to bring advocacy to the issues that
face small city governments and to do
that you know we really need our elected
officials to feel emboldened and like
they understand how to do that that you
know if they have an interest in it that
they're prepared to and that we're, you
know, really dialed into talking to our
legislators when we have, you know,
unfunded mandates and other issues that
come down from the state that maybe are
not in alignment with home rule,
>> right?
>> So, um, you know, that's really where
we're at with that. We do have, now that
we're feeling like we've really
solidified the restructuring,
we will be very serious this fall about
going out and doing recruiting at other
cities. And that means visiting other
city councils. So that will be some of
the city administrators from partner
cities and some members of council from
partner cities that that are interested
in participating in those efforts.
Um more to come
barbecue as well. This is our 150th year
anniversary. We are planning a bunch
more fun things and we really need
volunteers. So you were given a signup
sheet. you give me your signup sheet,
but we really need we need people at all
spots. We are trying to deepen our
bench. We're going to reach out to other
organizations locally to try to get out
volunteers for this effort. I'm also
asking local businesses for donations to
sort of sponsor some of these added fun
things that we're providing. We have um
face painting from the librarian again.
We have animal carnival tabletop game
activities, a few inflatable carnival
games. We also um are working we've asked our sheriff's department to
bring a patrol car which they're working
on. I'm going to touch base with Travis
about maybe bringing one of their fire
engines or other equipment if they're
able
so we understand if you can't you know.
Um so a lot of really cool stuff. We're
again doing a food drive uh with a
raffle prize for sharing hands and we'll
take donations and food items. So it's
going to be a big event. I think that
frankly for the carnival we're probably
going to need like like at least eight
people just for that and we still need
all the people for the other things we
always do. So just a friendly reminder
event
take what we can get
uh upcoming events August 8th program
but for now we just sat down this
weekend was great. August 12th is the
last connect county dinner so that's
tomorrow night. Um, and that's over in
Brownsville Park. They've been doing
really cool stuff in the plumber.
September or September 7th, we're closed
in observance of Labor Day. September
8th is the school's first day of school.
And September 11th is our
Any questions
or discussion?
Anybody?
» Okay.
So the next item on the agenda then
would be further planning.
Audrey, do you please
I could read it to you but that's
>> any comments.
>> Yeah, just wanted to kind of understand
the difference between the agency and
the HC
code. So sometimes they talk to each
other but not too often.
I listed out the current permits that we
have in progress. Um, house at 4 and H
just came in and paid for their STC's
and they're going to be putting in water
very shortly soon by the end of the
month. So, they're getting really really
close to having a house,
>> right?
>> Which one is that?
>> Fourth and um
» that's right. the uh plan commission
meeting tomorrow for the Miller Trust
projects. Um and hopefully we'll find
that
any questions,
comments?
Okay, next item is the public works
report. Is there anything else from
anybody on that?
» No. Unless anybody has questions, I'll
do my best to answer. I'll take them
back to follow up.
>> That's good.
» The trees along 99 look good since they
were
new water every week. Right.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
Good.
further issues, but never number two
pump.
>> Uh
pump, we never operate service pumps.
>> Yeah.
>> Um like ever. And actually we mostly
don't we try not to operate our high
service pumps. They're there for back.
We have a big draw and and we really
never need three of them. Obviously, we
want all of our pumps to be functional.
But the pump number two was having kind
of a commun was already not working. And
then pump number one, high service, I
want to say it was pump number one, was
having a communication issue, which was
then resulting in the reservoirs not
filling because the jockey pump was
kicking off. It wasn't telling the other
pump to turn off. There was they robbed
a part out of pump number two. They're
not saying pump number one. The water
treatment plan is showing its age.
>> Yeah.
>> So, they had a lot of headaches and it
was like all in one week. It was like
over and over and it was like something
different every time. And now things are
running smoothly, but we're really
looking forward to upgrading.
>> Definitely feels precarious when you
have that many things going on in a
short period of time.
>> Like this thing. I see that we have
projects under way for repairing that.
» Questions.
>> Okay, moving on to the library report.
Sounds like reading was good.
More people than we met.
>> Yeah, we have more people registered
this year. Um, two of our events did
overlap with two of Brownsville's big
events. So, there was a few like polls
between um attendants, but it was it was
good this year. There was a lot of new
kids and a lot of excitement. Everyone
enjoyed the presenters.
We had a couple more signups. Actually,
a few people that showed up for the last
week, so I think it ended up being like
32
kids, I think, that were officially
registered for at like through the
summer reading process from like this
first week to the last week.
>> Awesome. I was bummed to miss it this
year. Between my schedule and the
grandkid schedule,
whatever next year.
>> Any other questions, comments?
» Okay.
Then the next one is my report.
Basically, I'm going to focus on the
Oregon Mayor Association conference I
just got back from. Um on these
conferences I I tend to be pretty strict
on the reason if I'm going to go or not.
I use my three article rules for
magazines. It has to have three good
articles before I'll buy a magazine.
We'll do the same thing with the
conferences. But this year there were
[clears throat] five. So it was a really
good uh opportunity.
A little bit less participation from
some of the mayors around the state. Um
I think most that's probably due to
fires. Um but we had sessions on leading
with purpose, civility, and working
together uh in the community. Gave more
community involvement engagement. Uh we
discussed the 2026
uh legislature 27th session. I'm on the
government affairs committee for LOC.
And so we had a lot of talk about what
we're going to focus on, what had some
wins, some losses this last short
session. Um,
so we're going to be discussing some of
that a little bit later in the meeting.
The other one is returning stability to
governance. And what that is is making
sure that we don't have
such heated uh arguments. Unfortunately,
in our organization, we don't. We tend
to get along pretty well. I'm thankful
for that. And then the biggest one I
found be the most interesting was how
the state and federal courts have
impacted Oregon cities in the past year.
And if you've watched the news and read
the paper, it's been a lot a lot of
stuff that's come down in the courts um
positive and negatives.
uh about
probably the biggest negatives were a
lot of uh unfunded mandates uh coming
down and the court saying uh no you
can't do that. There were two cases
where
they kind of dropped the ball and didn't
address them. Uh there's some court
cases coming up uh that probably won't
be doing anything for the next at least
year, possibly two that's going to have
some positive impact on Oregon cities
and LOC will be sending out some
information on that hopefully in the
next month or two. Um, and then part of
my
reason for going in is remote expat
and
was nice to print off some some pages
and I got a lot of those distributed.
Lots of positive responses,
a lot of responses from communities in
eastern Oregon, central Oregon, and the
coastal uh communities.
And I was surprised when one of the LC
lobbyists that was there um spoke very
highly of what Smack's been doing. So I
think we're we're seeing some uh
positive return on our investment time
and money. Uh there was one of the uh
governors
oh at the term basically regional
advisors was there and and spoken very
highly and said that the governor is
quite impressed with smack. Um so the
governor's hearing about it we're making
decent headway.
>> So
>> that's awesome to hear since it's like
new and we're just pushing it again. I
think part of what it is we had our
first way at our first outing that gets
their attention. So
that's that. That's what I have for us.
Any questions, comments?
» That be it.
>> That's it. So we have old business.
» Didn't share that.
>> Yeah, he did. But he's here now. Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> You have anything to add to your
presentation?
>> Not really. Unless somebody has
questions about stuff going on outside
of poly. We've had a lot of stuff.
>> Yeah.
>> On social media.
>> Yeah.
>> We had two deputies um that were at the
scene of an offer ball shooting recently
up next.
>> Yeah.
>> Um we had a drowning recently. We've had
quite a few um rescues and stuff going
on up in the mountains
where hiker have passed away. U actually
somebody we had a recent rescue up there
where that person is actually still up
there because the terrain so rough they
can't do recovery.
>> Um so it doesn't like affect Holly but
it does in a way because we send so many
resources away to some of these big
calls. Um, I think Jenna uh does a great
job of staying in touch. Um, and you can
always reach out to me, but if you see
some of this stuff on Facebook, um, that
offer involved shooting in wheel
crazy stuff. It was an active shooter.
There were bodies everywhere, you know,
like crazy crazy stuff. Um, I think she
and I are quick to respond to stuff like
that. you know, email us, um, reach out
to anybody at the city. They can reach
out to us. Doesn't have to be related to
Holly. If you're curious about
something, we don't have to wait 30 days
for a meeting like this that, you know,
we can try to get answers for you guys.
But, um, I feel like summer has gone
smooth, but the last couple weeks, it's
like trying to leave its mark.
>> Yeah.
>> And a lot of a lot of bigger calls
starting to pop up. has taken
a large amount of resources that
attracts the public's attention and then
they start making up a whole bunch of
stories. So, um, nothing really for
Holly. Um, but yeah, re reach out if you
have questions. Again, doesn't have to
be about Holly.
I know you and I talked when the 99
project was wrapping up and had concerns
about speeding and stuff like that.
seeing that to be an issue.
>> Uh to be an issue, no.
>> Yeah.
>> Um but
there's always going to be speed,
>> right?
>> You're always going to have a car that
like zip through somewhere like we just
heard a couple minutes ago.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> So I pay attention to that stuff.
>> I didn't.
>> Yeah. Um so you're always going to have
a car that speeds. I came from a council
meeting an hour ago and their complaint
was on speeding, but the reader board
doesn't show that. We have some other
data we can access. It doesn't show
speeding a concern to where like Jenna
should 12 hours of the 12 hour shift
trying to
>> right. You're always going to have that
car that trips through that upset
someone, but it's not a chronic issue
that we're seeing that
needs addressed regularly, but we're
always keeping our eye out with radar
looking from the one car that that does
it.
>> I'm glad to hear that. No, we had
concern initially. So,
>> I just saw a
>> the speed sign down at the end of town,
>> right?
>> I just saw it there.
>> Yeah, I saw that.
>> Okay.
No, I think you had a question.
» So the car that we just heard earlier is
that I mean when I hear that same speed
is that like too loud or
>> he was definitely speed [laughter]
of speed. It's like speed racing. So
let's say you don't speak but you go
zero to 35 miles an hour as fast as you
can. That's exhibition speed. There's no
reason for
gun.
>> Yeah. You got it, but then you reach the
speed limit and then you let off. That's
still a violation. You can't go zero.
>> Yeah. Can't use the car to like show off
or exhibit, you know, the capability.
>> So let's say he wasn't going fast.
speedwise. The fact that he went from
the soft side to here and I can tell by
like the RPMs and stuff, there's no
reason. So, he would get talked to and
say like, "Okay, I can't believe that
you're speeding, but the fact that you
accept
» Thank you.
>> Yes. [laughter]
>> In layman's term." Yes.
>> Yep.
Brianna, while I'm thinking about it,
we're talking about traffic. And for you
guys, since you're here, too. The hay
trucks right now are flying by the park
again down O. And I was at the park
today with the kids and watched three of
them run the stop sign.
>> Yep. On 99. They like
>> um from O like going to 99 like up
towards Harrisburg. Just kind of went
>> like a real real California stop there.
Um, but they've been they've been coming
real quick up and down like burning on
to
>> Yeah, it's been really bad the last
since like just picked up really hard
right now. Um, they're not
» Brianna has a pretty good relationship
with some of the companies down there,
so she she talks to them often.
Yeah,
» contracts, you know.
>> Yeah.
>> They've been getting a little frisky on
O.
» Anybody else?
Thank you.
So, now we're going to move on to old
business.
the proposed street vacation of West A
and West B Street.
We received an update on the status of
the vacation and prepare for executive
session.
You would
>> um yeah, you know, it's really a
timeline. This application has been a
bit of a there's some weird stuff going
on over there talk about. There is the a
street which has
an overlying ownership by one party with
a budding a surrounding ownership of
another party and then there's also the
underlying predated ownership of the
city have a plat predates everything and
so when we receive information we we do
our due diligence we work with engineers
and we take applications but
there has been some issues about whether
or not that that a street piece in
particular um is under question. And so
we just want to make sure that we're
doing our absolute due diligence on that
matter. Um we need to make sure that the
initial application is valid and we need
to really hold and discuss with our
legal counsel before we proceed. And so
that is why we've really done the
executive session is to make sure that
we're talking those issues through. we
have that opportunity to have, you know,
council with our legal and that we're
making all the correct steps because
that has always been the city's intent that we don't want to have a
misstep. We want correct information so
that we can so you guys can make
informed corrections.
>> So, are we getting good information from
the county?
You know,
there's there's a lot of research that
went into this even before the initial
application and um Audrey spent a lot of
time on it. So that that area period, it
has that weird six foot section,
>> right,
>> between the and the south property
owners. That is very unusual. That does
not happen. So that sixoot section is
part of the church plot, but it is like
doesn't make sense,
>> right? Um so we had to do a ton of
research on that and then again um you
know we're getting deed history through
the engineers. We have contacted the
county and the county has you know I've
just been like
the existence of the row and whether or
not the afferment and what information
they have on it. Um what information how
they interpret the the existing the deed
record and all those things like that we
use the county as the agency of record
with situations. We don't try to make it
up. They are the agency who determines
how land is distributed. Also, when we
do vacations, we must report them with
the county or they don't exist,
>> right?
>> And so, the county is the one that gets
to determine how those are distributed.
We don't have the authority to do that.
We have the authority to vacate or not
to vacate, period. And so, again, if you
have an application, it's it's very
common for our street vacation 99.9% of
the time to be a central lane split. And
so when you have an applicant that's a
property, we took an application of that
regard. We just want to make sure that
we're doing
everything right. That is really what it
is. We want to make sure that the
application is valid. We want to make
sure that we're making the right
decisions with all of the information
because
>> the city doesn't actually benefit from
anything else for that. Like we don't
benefit from it at all, frankly.
>> Right. Um so we c council has agreed
that they would like to move to an
executive session on that. Um
we have scheduled an executive session.
That date is actually set for August
26th.
Um you know it's unfortunate that this
has taken some time but that is the
time. Let me double check. Let me triple
check that.
Um but once once we sort of confer on
that we'll be able to come back for a
street in particular but also any action
on B Street. We currently do not have an active application on street. I also
want to make that clear
>> because it was voted on it and we voted
down.
>> If if another application comes forward,
I think that we are informed by this
process with any new developments, you
know, and so certainly council has the
opportunity to hear that matter again
based off of any report and there may
be, you know, that's important for
making the decision. If there's new
information, there's new information. At
the time, we had an applicant that said,
I don't have any plans.
So, that's kind of where we're at on
that.
>> We have any new information?
>> Um, we did hear from Kelsey Pim in
email. Um, she did mention that she
wanted me to speak and she may have some
information which we would love to have
regarding potential previous vacation,
which again the county does not have
record of. Um, and
>> actually the county surveyor's website
>> of a previous vacation.
>> Yeah. written right on thereated
8.178.
» So my question is why is the county
providing that for us that
>> yeah I mean I
that's a very good question it answers
the we always you look at the I should
have brought multiple
but
you look at the
>> you on the assessor website.
Yeah,
>> the surveyor.
>> I did. And I should have I thought I
printed it, but I didn't. So, it's
always been here. I don't know if you
guys can see, but so like this is a our
field, our property line, and we've
always own this little Lshaped thing
here, which was street A. And we've
never really understood where that came
from. Didn't really care. Um, but that's
because it was previously vacated. And
if you look at previous aerial maps um
which you only have from 60 like
sometime in the 60s I think it's like 67
and then you again have it in the 80s
like there's nothing here like the
church doesn't exist and then when you
again have aerial maps in the 80s the
church got built
and so I'm not and also so did these
little houses over here. So, um I'm my
assumption is and so the attorney that
pointed out to me, hey, because we were
a little lost and so we had a land use
attorney in Eugene um look at this for
us. And he wrote back to me and said, "I
don't know why a street is an issue. It
was vacated in 1978. Should be a
non-issue."
And I was like,
okay. Um, which makes sense why that is,
you know, especially when you go log
into GIS, why that's already adjacent to
our property and in our labeled
description of our deed.
>> Yeah. So, if you this is just if you go
into GIS. Um, so
I Yeah. So this um I'm writing upside
down but this is also
>> right
>> and so this this at one time I think if
you you can't really tell anymore simply
because um this is all you know on the
other side of this was a field but if
you look at really really really old map
like at one time this used to be a
street
>> and it was vacated
>> and then so and I think what happened so
we our family bought this property from
Mrs. Bath in the early 1980s. And I
think what happened is when this got
vacated, it went to her because if you
look at get the aerial map
so everybody can look at this
>> if we could. Yes. Um, if I can find my
again. I need to I emailed my attorney
today again and I got an automatic reply
that he's on vacation for
the biggest thing I want I want to make
sure everyone understands that the more
information we have, the more accurate
it says that we can make. Right? That's
why it's it feels like we're dragging
our feet, but it's out of abundance of
>> caution. So, this this is um this here,
if you look in the in the late 60s, this
none of this exists. This is just big
field. She owns it and then boom, like
when you have more another area, it's
here. And I So, I'm assuming that in 78
when this got vacated. I don't know. We
need to find the records. And I was
wondering, don't you guys have pretty
compliments? Yes. And so we're gonna
when he gave us that information of 1978
that is helpful. That gives us like
>> you could look it like six months prior
or something. That's what I was thinking
when he told me that later I'm like
maybe there's some discussion somewhere.
Um I will just tell you I I did a couple
years ago a um a couple of century form
applications. Um, and so I spent quite a
bit of time in the um the county office.
And I don't know if you've ever done one
of those, but it's really extensive and
you have to show the lineage and like
all this stuff. And the county is is
great and the people there are great,
but there as I'm going through these
files, I'm finding things that are
misplaced and misfiled like like why is
this should be like over here and like
just whoever was in there or whoever was
scanning the microfilm just like it's very difficult to say and my
suspicion is like and how this even got
built onto that like Let's just say this
is a street, an existing street. Well,
how did they build that onto a street?
Like I mean there something got dropped
somewhere.
>> Oh, exactly.
>> That's why we want to make sure we have
all
>> information. So, the reason that the Bee
Street theme came up is because, as I've
uh explained to previous people in the
past is we when I a few years ago um
went to go change insurance companies,
um one of the things that came up as a
flag for the insurance company was that
I had there was this church that had a
playground and they're they're building
on our property, right? and they're
like, um, well, that's a liability. You
need to get that fixed. Um, and so we
kind of talked to the church and you
know, okay, they're going around and the church's attorney didn't dispute
that with us and we hired a survey to do
a lot line adjustment, which is why they
said B Street needed to be vacated so we
could do the lot line adjustment. Okay.
Um, and but I don't really understand
like why this and again the attorney was
like, I don't even know why this is an
issue. It was already vacated.
>> Sure.
>> Um, and it does
>> Yeah.
>> If we get as much information from you
as you can.
>> Yeah. And I I thought I was um and I
didn't mean to be offensive earlier, but
like it is harvest. I don't have time to
do any of that.
when my kids get back in school next
month, I will, you know, go down the
courthouse for a day or two and figure,
you know, do what I can do.
>> Sure.
>> Um, but I just don't um have time to
roll those.
>> Well, I think that if you give us what
you have right now, then we could deal
with
>> Yeah, I would be very interested where
you found the thing that said previously
vacation.
>> Yeah, if you go to the county. So, um,
>> I don't remember the name of the
website, but if you just go to the
county surveys website, and you know
where you can pull up all the survey,
>> I believe it's been a few days, but I
believe when you pull up the main map,
>> it says it's in lim. It says a vacated
and then it has the date and then it has
I what I'm assuming is the name of the
surveyor like OC something or other,
>> right? Okay. Well, whatever information
you have, if you get to it, that'd be
great. That'll give us something to look
forward on.
>> We already have an executive session
scheduled. We don't want council them to
be able to ask any questions, but if
it's found that we get enough
information ahead of that that negates
the need for executive sessions
>> because the county has like obviously I
mean, I don't know how I'm going to go
ask how that gets in there, but like
we've been paying taxes on this for the
last 40 years.
than you.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, I mean, I think we own it. It says
that on the thing, so I
>> Yeah.
>> Well, that there's going to be a
resolution. It's just a matter of
getting from point A to point B and
making sure that everything is in
alignment. And if somewhere
the ball has been dropped by the county
for whatever reason, we need to know
about it so we can fix, get it fixed.
>> Right. I will also reach out to you. I
think this is really good information.
It's very informative for H Street.
Compass. Street is still a matter for
discussion. I will email you because
again it's not it's not something we're
voting on tonight and I just want to
explain like the now there's not an
active application. It was already voted
no.
>> Yes. And we discussed that there and the
reason I haven't filled out a new one is
because I need we would like to vacate
more than just each state simply because
the issue is and I as I was explaining
to Michelle um a couple of months ago is
that when you pull up if as most people
you know who are just you know not I
shouldn't say most people but a lot of
people they will pull up um their onx or
whatever you know and they look and it
looks like there are public rightway all
throughout our
Right.
And um and the issue with that is that
our equipment often gets damaged because
there is you know pens and jeans and um
things like uh well
mention um that our combines in death
and then cost multi thousands of
repairs. Um, also frequently in the um
when the when the ground is wet and
mucky, we have people, you know, doing
cookies with the right TVs and and other
things out there, especially at where
there's the alleyway ends there. I can't
remember the street, but it's I think
it's like C or
>> we're at I think it
>> Yeah. And then over there south of So G
H that it's frequently they just They're
always just like
>> I can't tell you how many people we
thought
doing that and um we have absolutely no
intention of ever developing this um
like there's it's just not going to
happen but
>> you can't um
>> you just can't um and so there's just no
reason for that. So the reason I haven't
fill refilled that out is because we
were going to put another
adjoin that with and again
» there's also I want to give you the
information about the options for how
you perceive it because there's a couple
of them but I will email
>> that's fine that's fine.
Thank you. That's a
>> big thing I want to make sure that we
all understand that it behooves us to be
able to work together probably
>> and if we start button heads that we're
going to get nowhere. So, we just got to
work together and information we have as
much as we can.
>> So,
you want to add to that?
>> No business. Thank you for coming.
Helpful information.
>> Genuinely just want the info so that we
can get this over.
» That's it for me on that.
>> Okay. Any questions, comments, or
» No.
>> Uh just to because I know a few of the
counters might not be able to be there.
Um, can you send out like a text just to
remind everyone when questions are due
to you like at the end of the week?
>> Yes.
>> Thank you.
» Okay,
we move on to new business.
Earth is LOC legislative priorities.
You guys have a good chance to look at
those
any questions, comments.
I don't think any questions you have on
is I'm on sit on that committee. So
information I can get back.
So there's if you get that list, choose
four, six. Hopefully you have already,
please let me know.
» Do you guys want to go straight?
» No. No. We need you for just a little
bit longer.
>> Yeah.
» Thank you for being here though.
>> Yes.
>> If you have any questions about them,
please let me know.
» Hold up for this list.
» I would be curious if anything stands
out to people at a glance, right? We
need to come up with a few. we have this
month and next month and so
>> right
>> we have time. It would be nice if
anybody has anything that stood out to
them was like, "Ah, that's fantastic."
>> Right.
» If you want to think about emailing me,
texting,
>> I'll be out there.
» Um, one that stands out to me, that's
okay.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. One, May I chime in?
>> Yeah.
>> One that stands out to me is targeted
prevailing wage changes.
>> Yes. We've talked a lot about how a
prevailing wage cost impacts the cost of
projects and the threshold for what
pushes something into a prevailing wage
project or a public
I can't public goods project I
don't know anyways um the threshold
instead of 50,000
>> so it hasn't been updated a long time so
once you hit
a public project or a public works
project once you hit 50,000 in a book
and that means that you didn't have to
do all the bully prevailing wage. So
that means that like the guy with
cooking and broom being paid $4 like it
just I'm and
I'm not saying that I don't want to see
or trades people in a brew call or
people making good money but I think
that it makes um I think that it is
perhaps not the most efficient
>> right
>> effective and responsible use of public
funds
frequently I mean even our grants are
often taxpayer dollars
um our project, our money is taxpayer
dollars or it's a feast. Um it is public
money and so that prevailing wage
threshold we see a need for it to be
raised so that that project limit
doesn't get hit until higher. They are
proposing 86,000. The other reason why
this one falls on my radar is because
our tax efforts are coming up with some
policy
priorities and one of them
on their and we also support this. I
will say however that we think 6,000 is
dismal
actually with what it would be if it
would have kept number 10.
>> And so we're our our policy is actually
quite a bit higher above 200,000 because
>> a $50,000 project is like nothing and it
>> might have a ceiling at all.
Um
>> anyway,
>> I think that to to object to and to undo
the existence mining wage is another
discussion. [laughter]
» Yes.
>> Project to that requirement is too low.
I would agree. And and when I say it
truly double project, it truly doubles
the cost of a project. I have an example
in my back pocket from Brownsville where
they had a bathroom project that they
had gone in and were going to be where
it was estimated to be, you know,
$49,000.
And so they were advised that they
should just go ahead with the
procurement that would assume a bid
higher than that because one change
order, just one whatever would have put
them in that special in trouble
>> for not following your procurement p
practice and not doing the bullying
prevailing weight. And so when they went
to bid, they they put in a requirements
for prevailing wage and it was a 90 I
would say $96,000 for one per bathroom.
That is the kind of impact
that
this
kind of impact to how much money it cost
to complete a project. And that's also
when you see things where like people
say, I don't understand why the school
can't fix this or the city can't fix
this or why would the project cost that
much. We are subject to much more
scrutiny in our design in our
expectation the things we have to put
into projects but reporting requirements
all those things and we are subject to
this public impairment rule that means
that immediately the trucks
it's it's on average about 40%. is huge
and it's pretty I mean small communities
predominantly are being hammered or and having projects when they can't
complete their water systems or anything
like that because of that. Um
there's two others that are really
important to uh the governing committee.
One is the administrative procedures act
forth and what that is it's the rules
that state agencies must follow
and over the years it has gotten murkier
and murkier and murkier where it was
originally designed for transparency and
it is anything but
um and what that would do is force state
to kind of
I don't say reign in uh agencies
but as would the state legislature,
there's oversight when they create laws,
but once it gets down to an agency who
creates administrative rules, there is
almost zero oversight. And we run into
that as a small committee when you're
trying to
do wells and and and water systems to
where you talk to one person in the
agency and they say one thing and and
another person you talk to says
something completely different and get a
bottleneck.
So that's trying to get that
clearly updated from 1971 to today you
know. Uh then the next one's public
meeting law clarity and that's
predominantly towards uh the Oregon
government ethics commission and
there's never really been an intentions
requirement that the proven intent and
just we think you are that's it. Uh but
there's more than that too. uh the hot
dog rule. Remember guys talking about
that where
um if we have a meeting planning meeting
we can't provide boot because it's
considered payment kind that got a lot
of push back and OGAC resented that so
that that's where they're starting to
realize oh maybe we are overstepping
u so those are the two real big ones uh
that we've talked about. So, if you have
any other concern, shoot me a text. Let
me know.
And if there's anything that kind of
boggles your mind right now on those,
>> the land availability one was kind of
interesting for me since um the land
availability and streamlining,
>> right?
And also to an extent the water
workforce development since we talked
about that with the guy all the training
programs especially like because it's
going to affect us when Andy retires and
we start having to
>> he's not I'm sure he's allowed to ever
>> at some point I think his wife
>> well I'm sure
>> but anyway um we can move on from that
so if you have anything you want
let me know.
>> Thank you.
Um, so I want to make some stars on this
so that when we come back next month
that we're ready now together,
>> right?
>> Good. We already have some ideas.
>> Yeah. So I I heard availability
had mine that was about the goal we have
to be on the wage and then you said the
administrative
time
>> uh the administrative uh
>> the general government committee the
public meeting the administrative
procedures act reform.
>> Yeah
public meeting
>> that was mine.
and then the water.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> So, if there's more, let me know. Chat
about them. And then,
>> um, as I was going through it, as I was
taking notes as I was like thinking
things, I'll send them to you. Do you
want to be CCed on an email? Like, do
you guys both want the
like thoughts or questions on any of
these specifically?
Um, one of the things that we have to be
careful about is sending these to
multiple council members. So, send
the two of you.
>> Then that would be
>> Yeah, that's what I was saying. Do you
want it too or do you just want us to
send it to mayor?
>> That's fine. And then we'll bring them
back. We have to bring them back at the
next public meeting. We'll any any notes
we'll we'll make sure to bring forward.
>> If you want to send it to me, I can get
from create a spreadsheet of ranking.
» And you can't discuss it,
>> right? Yes.
[clears throat]
» I'll send you
>> you can you can ask questions about
LOC's intent please. That's can't have
ongoing conversation
other than you clarify.
So if you have nothing else we can move
on.
We have to figure out the last topic.
>> Yeah. For October.
>> Well, I'll
go hunting.
>> Yeah.
>> On the record. So, that season is what
it is,
>> right?
>> And so, we have some date. I did get a
hold of LLC about some training
opportunities. They're on pause for
training. So, it's actually not a good
option for us right now.
>> Um, it sounded like a good idea to me,
but it's not going to work out.
Um they do actually have their rentals
trainings coming up again states are
available that's you know ever
um so good opportunity here in the
middle of the week I asked them about
that I know we're in the lead we lead
weeds I said have you considered
salaries
most people work that are on city
councils and they have a lot of reasons
why that is not peaceful for them so I I
am also looking into they do on the go
training
>> when when people are able to attend the
trainings that they offer They are free
so that's always nice. It's just driving
there but there are options to bring
people in. It does have a fee associated
but it's not astronomical. So really
good training opportunities and
something that I do look into is holding
you know every other year when we don't
do our goal setting holding a work
session that just dedicate to training.
There is
>> not a work session, but I'm just saying
we hold a training in one time a year
when we don't have full setting
>> and this is a little bit further out but
[clears throat] the 25th of February um
there's a catchall
uh virtual online so
>> that's a little
catch all
>> I don't even know what I'm doing in
September.
>> Yeah.
Well,
their Lexi Essentials workshop, they're
going to be setting some online
trainings for those.
>> So, it keep an eye on the LC website for
the training section.
But the the OG one, they paused out of
that because it was found that
trainings that that was trying to get
approved through OG,
they were not getting approved and then
did a test where they took another
agency to end their training that was
approved by OG, change the name and
still got rejected.
So that's what that's what they paused.
Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. So scheduling. Got
>> way off topic. I started it.
>> Um
so the October meeting, we have some
options. We could recess for October. Um
if we don't have any pressing business,
we can set it for the third Tuesday,
which is kind of the placeholder that we
they always hold for council meetings,
which is the 20th. I would suggest we
just hold that placeholder and if
there's no pressing business, council
can sort of decide what in the September
meeting if they want to proceed with
that date. The September meeting,
the reason why I'm recommending that we
the third Tuesday instead of the 8th is
because of that timeline that I was
talking about way, you know, right long
ago about the ini,
>> right? DQ has stated they need two weeks
to review the close the post the
timeline to post our intent to award is
August 31st
>> right
>> that is in alignment with all the other
previous things which is like how many
how long it needs to be open our time to
apply to to open bids when the bids
close we review them all those things
>> so that gives us seven days
>> really
>> right
>> between our no intent to award and again
during that one week you have to approve
it before we could actually award it in
our council meeting. So they told me
that they prefer three weeks.
So if they don't have it approved by
then we would have to wait all the way
until we would we would have to hold
special sessionally.
>> We would not wait until October.
>> Yeah.
>> We would have to hold special session
because we have to award once
it's approved. We have a timeline toward
>> Right. So,
um, that would be September.
I have to look
>> 15th. 15th.
>> Yeah. And I know that that's, you know,
it feels like not great timing because
October was already being rescheduled,
>> but
it makes sense though.
>> We could either keep our regular meeting
and have a placeholder for a special
session just to deal with the topic of
the award or we would a full meeting and
deal with it at that time. So, those are
the the options for council. Move the
meeting. I did.
>> Yep. I'd move the meeting.
>> Yeah,
>> it's easier for me anyway. That is the
first day of school, so I prefer not.
>> Right.
>> And it's right after Labor Day and
barbecue. So, I would
>> Right.
>> So, September, we have to do this.
>> Okay.
>> October.
>> And then
is October like you said, I would favor
your if you have to the 20th otherwise
nothing. Right.
>> Okay. So, tenatively hold the 20th and
if there's no
» potential I'll be out of town from the
17th to the 24th too. So,
» no. Next year I
>> October tenative
20th potential to cancel if not needed.
And as to training, is there any
training you guys want?
>> Yes. Thank you.
>> I always think that you know like public
meeting rules and all that kind of
stuff.
>> Fundamentals like that.
>> Yeah.
>> If we could find somebody or
>> shouldn't tech
>> gone back and forth over the years about
the whole Robert's rules or whatever.
Not that we fully follow them, but some
I don't know.
>> Yeah.
» So, what we can put together?
>> Yeah. And I will I will send you guys
they sent me some information from LC on
that training on the go and so you have
the pull elected essentials, but you can
actually cherry pick the topics so you
don't have to spend eight hours,
>> right?
>> So, you can say I only want to do two
hours of driving,
>> right? And so in that situation, we can
really I can send that to you because
they actually give kind of like a little
summary of the different topics and they
actually also provide how long they are,
>> right?
>> So this one's 90 minutes. This one's
>> I'd like to spend five and a half hours,
please.
>> You know, and the topics are meeting a
lot of things like what to know about
land use as an elected official. Just a
cool topic. So I'll send that out to
folks so that they can have some ideas
because then in the spring when they are
allowing training again right
would be a really cool opportunity.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Anybody else comments?
>> 8:15.
>> So there's no resolutions ordinances. So
then we will adjourn at 8:16.
>> There we [clears throat] go.
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