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Afternoon, everyone. We have a motion by Councillor Albano and

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it has been seconded by Councillor brass that. The Councillor

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for the town of Holton Hills reconvened this meeting in

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open session. All in favor? That's carried.

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And we will now stand for O Canada, please.

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And we begin by acknowledging that the land on which

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we gather is part of the treaty lands. And territory

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of the Mississaugas of the credit. Are there any disclosures

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of pecuniary interest or conflict of interest? Councilor Ingles. Thank

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you, worship. Yes, I have one, and it is on

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the general committee. Part of the agenda, item 9.2, point

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e. It's referring to a development as report number. 20240

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64. My family owns a farm abutting the property being

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discussed. Okay, thank you very much. And Councillor Fogle. Yes,

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I declared a conflict. In the closed session meeting regarding.

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An issue where my property is near the issue, okay?

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Sufficiently vague. Thank you. All right. Thank you very much.

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Okay, so we have a couple of announcements today. And

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one of them is staff recognition. And I'd like to

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announce that the association of Ontario Road Supervisors has been

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serving public works professionals since 1961. And in 1996. The

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exclusive right to use the designation certified road supervisor was

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provided. The four levels of certification. Associate certified road supervisor,

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intermediate and senior have mandatory experience. And education criteria established

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by the AORS Education Committee and Certificate Board. And I'm

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pleased to announce that two town employees have reached new

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levels of certification and on behalf of Councillor would like

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to congratulate Brian Kraft. Check for his recent associate roads.

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Supervisor certification and Dan King for his certified road supervisor

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cert. Certification. Their ongoing commitment to broaden their knowledge through

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training and education will help them both continue to serve

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the public more effectively. Congratulations, Brian and Dan, on your

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certifications. And with winter coming up, We're very glad that

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we have people who know what they're doing on our

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roads, plowing and maintaining them. My second announcement is from

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the library that it is hosting a winter wonder on

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Saturday, November 30. From ten to 03:00 p.m. At the

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Acton and Georgetown branches, families are invited to meet the

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popular tv characters Louie and Bingo. Take family photos, write

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a letter to Santa, and enjoy crafts and activities. All

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ages are welcome and for more details, please visit the

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library website. At hhpl, ca. Are there any other members

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of Councillor who have other announcements? Councilor norris. Thank you,

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Madam Mayor. And actually, This announcement falls along with the

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library one. So on Saturday, November 30, the downtown Georgetown

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BIA is having a holiday market, which will be all

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of Main street south. And we'll also have. Some vendors

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inside the Knox Presbyterian Church. And it also, as I

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said, it ties in completely same time frame as with

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the library and as the BIA is saying, join us

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for a holly, jolly good time at this year's. Holiday

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market with over 90 fantastic vendors. The streets will be

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alive with festive cheer and holiday magic and also hop

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aboard the trackless train. As it chugs down main street,

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bringing smiles to all ages. Enjoy the sweet sounds of

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Kerala. Serenading the crowd, filling the air with holiday spirit.

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Plus, don't miss out on our amazing photo op. Capture

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the moment with friends and family. Come celebrate the season

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with us and make unforgettable memories at the downtown Georgetown

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holiday market. Thank you. Thank you very much, Councillor Bacinski.

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Thank you, madam. I want to invite the community to.

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The Glenn Williams Christmas market as well, which happened on

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December 1 from one to 04:00 p.m. They've expanded it

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this year. It should be great. So I encourage people

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to come to the Glenn on December 1. Thank you

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very much. Councilor Somerville. Well, since we're talking about wonderful

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Christmas events, I'd be remiss. If we didn't mention the

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stocking auction that the act in town hall. Center hosts

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on December 1 as well and gets underway about 11:00

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and it's a lot of fun. And local merchants and

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politicians and members of the public have donated. A wide

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variety of items, and it's always such a great time.

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Having Doug Donaldson as the auctioneer as well. So hopefully

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everyone can attend if you have any. Money left from

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your other markets that you're at. I'm hoping you can

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attend. For that one. It's a lot of fun. Good.

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Thanks very much. Yes. It's great. The christmas season is

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upon us. And with two great parades over the weekend,

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And. That's all. Holton Hills is a great place to

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be at Christmas time. That's. For sure. I'm wondering if

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I could have. A motion from a member of Councillor

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to waive the rules. We have a delegate who wants.

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To comment on an item that is coming up. With.

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The next series of reports. And so could I have

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someone waive the rules? Councillor Garno? To be able to

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hear a delegation regarding one of this group. Of recommendations.

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Okay. All in favor? That's carried. Thank you. Okay. So

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is Jameson champ in the audience?

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Good afternoon, sir. Madam Mayor. Councillor. I was here in

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May to talk to the fireworks. Ban. And my concern

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was the lack of due process. And there was a

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bit of a debate about whether we should. Use the

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public engagement access we talked about the $25,000. It's a

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lot. Of money. And my concern now is that we've

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actually done the process. Got a result that seems to

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suggest that the public does not want the ban yet.

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We're going to put the ban through. So I've reviewed.

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This survey. I find that the number of calls is

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statistically valid. But the report is seriously biased. And by

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biased, I mean. To start with. The findings to discussion

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are usage and awareness. Concerns and issues and preferences for

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regulation. There isn't a point for benefits and positive nonexistent.

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As I said, the numbers are fine. Usage and awareness.

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60% are aware of the current laws, which actually, I

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think is a pretty good number that are aware of

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where we are now and what's expected. Fireworks related activities.

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People participate? Not a surprising number. Concerns and issues. First

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one is the concerns about fireworks. We have. Not concerned

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at all. Not very concerned, somewhat concerned and very concerned.

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And what I'm concerned with is if you had asked

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me, I would have vote somewhat concerned. I think we

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can concede that there are some risks involved with fireworks,

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but there's risks involved. With biking, dogs, driving cars, everything.

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So the question is, what's reasonable? The real concern comes

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into when we then take a fraction of the sample

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size. We eliminate the people that have no concerns. And

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we dive deep into and ask them which of these

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concerns do you have. We're suggesting concerns to these people

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and then asking them to answer up to three. Of

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them. I don't know how I use statistics daily, but

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I'm pretty sure that promoting. Six or eight possible safety

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concerns, asking them to say if they're concerned about them

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and then saying, They can respond positively to up to

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three of them seems like a flawed way to do

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a report. Then when we get in preference for regulations,

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we go through. Actually, 60% of respondents want no ban.

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And if we have a bias report, Or even if

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we assume it could be, we still have 60% that

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don't want the ban. Even as a result of a

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biased report. So we don't really need to talk about.

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Whether it's biased or not, and if anybody has any

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questions on the bias of it. Whether. It is biased

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or not. I have a little example for you. If

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we flip the fireworks to dogs and we ask the

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same question and we say, not very concerned. Concern. I

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suspect we'll get similar numbers. When we ask about are

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you concerned about personal safety with dogs? Are you worried

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about noise with dogs? Are you worried about responsible dog

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owners? Are you worried about. Destruction to pets and wildlife

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with dogs running through the forest or barking. Are you

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worried about the time of day, too late at night.

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It seems that they all apply to dogs. Property damage,

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destruction. Of private property. Physical injury. Now, I think we

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can agree. That nobody's going to want to ban dogs.

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The point is, we're talking something. Similar. We've gone out

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here looking specifically. To produce a result. And in statistical

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speaking, that's what's known as a statistical bias. Systemic favoritism.

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That is present in the data collection process, resulting in

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lopsided, misleading results. Omitted variable bias. Nowhere in here does

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it say, List your top three reasons. That are good

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reasons to keep it. Nowhere in here does it say,

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Do you like it? If I do have a picture,

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if we could put it up a slide. Slide number

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one. And when I say good things, I mean. Children's

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wonderment of what's going on. I mean, them questioning how

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you get it to go that high. How do you

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get it to be red and blue? These are the

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future physicists, engineers and chemists. Teaching an eight year old,

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teaching them how to respect the rule, how to read

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it and say, the concerns are stay back this far.

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No, you can't light it. Because of this? Because. Of

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that. And on top of that, I am worried about

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the fact that we seem to have trouble enforcing the

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bylaws as they currently stand. I would submit to you

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that most people that have a problem with fireworks have

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a problem with the 02:00 a.m. Fireworks after 11:00 we

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have days we can use it. Hours you can use

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it and permits for other occasions. I wonder how. Much

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of this would die. Down if. We could enforce those.

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The one thing I do worry about is it's a

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call based complaint for bylaw. So you're asking neighbors to

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squeal on neighbors now? Some of these neighbors might celebrate

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Victoria Day. Some of these neighbors might celebrate dwaly. I

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would suggest everybody here that a neighbor celebrating dwaly that

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invites the neighbors. To sit and do it with them

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respectfully. To have conversation, to have a drink and some

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food is a far better use of this, but. Number

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one, we have spent $25,000. If we were going to

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end up here. The eight that voted for it should

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have declared that it will not change my mind. And

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we should have bought food for the food bank or

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worked on housing. It's an incredible waste. Of $25,000, 60%

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of. People. Don't want the ban. And when it comes

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right down to it, I could refer to the vision

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statement public engagement democracy makes its best decisions when people

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express their will and become involved they did. They had

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their say. Your code of conduct. Council members should recognize

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the need to uphold both the letter and the spirit

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of the law, including policies before the Councillor. Now, I

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would suggest to you that if we have 60% that

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don't. Want it, then the spirit is not being upheld

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here. There is a picture. Are we unable to get

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the pictures? Sir, I'm going to ask you to wrap

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it up, please. We're getting close to you. That's fine.

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I'm wrapping up. I just wanted to show the one

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picture that we submitted for. Anyways. It's a picture of

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a group of kids from the shot from behind them

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celebrating with people all around, all respectable distance and even

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from behind. It's really sad. We can't. Get it up

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there, because even from behind and in shadow, you can

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tell that these five or six children are completely bewildered

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by what they're seeing. And there's people all around. It's

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a beautiful one. It's actually, you know what? Let's do

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this. Even the front page of here is beautiful picture

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displaying what will not be allowed. The picture that I

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would like to put up here is from your report

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tendered to Councillor. That has the pictures of a fountain

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going off in the middle, everybody around it, it's actually

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in your brochure that you publish to the public on

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the background of where this came from. It actually depicts

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a beautiful picture that nobody will ever take again in

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this town. Nobody will be bewildered, nobody by the fountain.

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Burning schoolhouse, which is a chuckle for us older people,

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because I don't know why we remember it so fondly

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because it was the silliest bundom. So we need to

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wrap it up, please. Thank you. Well, I would really

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like to see the picture. I was told. Well, I

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think the clerk isn't able to put it up. We're

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having a technical problem with that, so I thank you

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for. Well, that's pretty unfortunate. That would be part of

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my presentation. Can we still work on it? If we're

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going to discuss it, can they put it up while

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the discussion comes up? Well, no. I don't think. We're

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capable. There. We got it. Look at that picture there.

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If you zoom in on it. Right out of the

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publication from here. Those kids, you can't see their face,

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but you. Can tell what they're thinking. Everybody's respectfully distance.

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That will not happen in this town again with this.

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And we waste $25,000 and we don't respect the spirit

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of the public engagement charter. Thank you. Okay. Are there

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members of Councillor who have a question or comment? Question,

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I should say. Okay. I don't see any, so thank

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you very much, sir. So I have a resolution, moved

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by Councillor Brass, seconded by Councillor Albano, to adopt the

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general committee items from the October 20 eigth Councillor meeting.

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The details of these items can be found in section

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five of today's agenda. The recommendations are contained in the

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following reports and memorandum from Monday, October 28, 2024. General

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committee meeting are hereby adopted as presented. Report cs 20

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24 35. Report PD 20240. Eight one. Report pd 20240

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90. Report tpw 20240. Zero eight. Report tpw 20240. Two,

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one. Memorandum CSE 20240. Zero eight. A memorandum library

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20240. Zero two. Report admin. 20 24 00:25. And further,

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that the following report is hereby adopted as amendment at

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amended admin 20240. 114 all in favor? That's carried. Thank

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you very much. We now have confirmation of minutes from

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previous Councillor meetings. It has been moved by Councillor Albano.

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Secreted by Councillor Brass that the following minutes are hereby

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approved. 6.1 minutes of. The Councillor workshop held on Monday,

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October 21, 2024. Six two to confidential minutes of the

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Councillor held on Monday, October 28, 2024. 63 minutes of

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the Councillor held on Monday, October 28, 2024 6.4 confidential

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minutes from the. Council workshop held on Monday, November 11,

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2024. And 6.5 is minutes from the Councillor workshop held

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on Monday, November 11, 2024. All in favor. That's carried.

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Okay. Now we have a public presentation. Holden Regional Police

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Services is here for a presentation to Councillor about what's

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happening in the. Police force these days. So welcome, Chief

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Tanner and your team.

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Your worship. And thank you, members of Councillor. It's always

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great to be back here. It's been a little while.

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We've lived through Covid. We've lived through a few other

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things. We've. Lived through virtual presentations, so it's great to

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be back in person. I'm going to turn most of

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the presentation over to what we call our executive command

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team here in the north end, Milton and Halton Hills.

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And that'll be superintendent co areepta. And Inspector Anita la

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Fromois. They are really, for many intents and purposes. Your

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assistant chief and assistant deputy chief when it comes to

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all things that are policing in Halton. Hills. So we've

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asked them to do a presentation which touches on some

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specific Halton. Hill statistics and some of the work that's

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going on. In this great municipality here for the specific

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knowledge of your members of council. I do recognize that.

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I've met several of you recently at the occasion of

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Peter Barrel's funeral, so. It was great to see everyone

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there, and of course, it's a great loss to both.

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Our Halton Hills Fire Department and Halton police, where Peter

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served us and our members for many, many years. We're

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celebrating our 50th anniversary. Peter predated that. I think clerk

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Somerville predates that, too, but. We won't necessarily say that

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here at the end of the presentation, if there are

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any more general questions. I'm certainly here to assist in

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any way I can or to discuss some things that

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are happening more on the regional stage. There are some

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alarming crime trends in the region of Halton, still much

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lower than our neighboring municipalities. But auto theft and home

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invasions and things that are happening. Disproportionately in the south

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end of the region. Thankfully for the folks here, but

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these sorts of crime trends are coming to us from

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our neighbors. Most of. Those more dangerous and serious of

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criminals tend not to be homegrown, so we know they're

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coming from Pl to and often from Montreal. I also

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want to thank this Councillor and your CEO for all

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the work that staff did as well to move along

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the new station. I'm reminded as I sit here. I

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think I used to look over this direction and answer

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a bunch of questions about where this future police station

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would be going. That questionnaire is not here today. But

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feel free to ask any questions. But it is underway

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now on steals Avenue. Nice to see some of the

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steel work now up and things starting to take shape.

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So this command team behind me. Hopefully, we'll be moving

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into that new facility, I hope, during 2025 and. We'll

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certainly push our regional partners and construction people to get

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that done for us, so great to be here. Great

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to be here in your town and to assist you

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in any way. That we can. And I'll turn it

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over to Cole and Anita. Thank you. Thank you for

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having us here today. This is just a high level

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overview of the police department in one district. And more

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of an introduction to you, Nita and I, who are

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new to the district kind. Of. In. April to May,

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we had a transfer of leadership, and Anita and I.

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I'm the superintendent. Of the district and he is the

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inspector. Came up to one district. Now, if you're not

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aware, one district is a combination of Milton and Halton

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Hills. The majority of the resources do work out of

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the twelve division in Milton, but we do share those

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resources with Halton Hills. And there is, as you know,

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a station in Georgetown. The station. That act and all

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the resources, like investigative resources, are triaged out of Milton

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to those two. Districts. There is a set number of

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people, mostly uniform officers, working. Out of eleven division and

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a few officers working out of ten division on a

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full time basis. I moved up in April, but I

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do have a background. Working up in one district that

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was stationed for my first four years of policing in

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Georgetown and acting back, then you would transfer between. The

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different stations and do three months in one, three months

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in the next. And then I came back. It was

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up there for four years and went back to. Went

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to. A tactical background for the next 15 years or

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so, and then I came back in 2000. And 16.

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As a staff sergeant and worked up again under Milton

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and Georgetown. And Anita's background is vastly investigative. She's worked

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all different investigative units across the region. From. The drug

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investigator. And so I think we have a perfect combination

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when we put us together. You have operational background. And

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a bit of a planning background, then investigative background through

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Anita. In the whole region. We have just over 1100

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sworn and civilian members. We're going to get to it

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in. I think we have 172 just in our district.

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Just do it quicker. If you take a look now,

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you don't have to read through all the slide, but.

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This is what we look like as a police service.

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We're over on the left. We have three districts, one

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district, two district and three district. That's Oakville and Burlington.

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And really, all you need to know is, although we

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have limited resources in our district, 172 members, all of

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those other areas are there to support us at the

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front line, and if we needed a tactical resource. They're

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available to come support us if we needed. Regional investigators,

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high level drug investigators, they're there to support us auto

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theft teams. So they're triaged out to the district when

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there's a bigger concern. So although. We're small in size.

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We have the available resources of 1200 members. And 172.

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As I said, in our district alone, the district. Is

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divided. Milton and Holton Hills. And as I said, we

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have a station that act in Georgetown. About half our

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resources end up in both of those areas, Holton Hills

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and Milton. On a daily basis. So half the members

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working end up in both places, and that's scalable. To

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where. The problem is that if there's an event in

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acting, more resources go. To act. And if there's. An

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event in Holton Hills. More resources go to Holt Hills,

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but we start every morning with roughly the same amount

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of people in both areas. Within our own district. This

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is all how we divide all our resources. We have

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investigative resources. And although you see summer reporting directly to

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me, and some are reporting to Anita. We're really a

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team, and all decisions go through both of us. If

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Anita has something coming up. She advises me she makes

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her own decisions, but she'll run it past me. Anita

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looks after our uniform officers and I look after our

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investigative and our community mobilization officers, but really, it's a

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team effort entirely. We do have 24/7 coverage, obviously. We

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do have a uniform. Sergeant on ground at all times,

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and a team of people in Georgetown. And acting. We

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do have a pilot. Right now we're running where we

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have a third. Sergeant on ground at all time. The

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reason why that is is that person can go between

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Milton and Halton Hills. If we need a second sergeant

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in one of those locations, we're piloting that now. We

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expect that to take effect at some time through 2025

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because it has been successful. I think everyone here has

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probably been introduced to the community safety and well being.

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The pillars are important to us. What I will say

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about this is this came into effect across the province

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a few years back. But we were way ahead of

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the curve in Holton, not only in the Holton region.

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But the Halton police as well. And we rely on

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these four pillars. I like to think of these four

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pillars as. A decision making tool. So if something comes

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up and there's a problem, we make sure. All these

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points are touched on, all these areas are looked at

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before we decide the solution. In which direction we're going

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to go. And this works into every decision we make,

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right from frontline officers up to the decisions I make

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as a superintendent of the district. So it's really ingrain.

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Ingrained in our service and our district. And it's something

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that's because we were head of the curve is why

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we're so successful at it today. And you'll? See throughout

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the presentation. This is woven into every unit we have.

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Within the unit. Where we break up within the district,

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we're broken up into specific units. One of those units

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is a district response team where many of you may

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have communications with this. Used to be called traffic. Or

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now it's half traffic, half community concerns. But ten years

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ago, we would call this the traffic. And they do

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look at traffic enforcement as a large part of what

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they do. That also means responding to regional and provincial

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projects. But why that's important is because when we have

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a big event. We can rely on those resources coming

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back to help us, which happens quite often for street

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racing. For example, which is a problem through the Holton

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hills, and we can rely on the resources. Not only

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from the rest of Halton, but rest of the province.

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Really? And we do that? Quite often. We have our

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yearly projects that touch on traffic. Things like a project

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safe start. Canada safety, Canada Road Safety Week, which happens.

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In the fall and the spring. And other projects almost

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on a monthly basis. Of course, ride is an important

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part of what we do. We ramp up our ride.

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Program. In December, in the summer. Not really because of

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the holidays, but more because that's when more people are

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on the road. And that says, you know, that's coming

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up in December, and our efforts have already ramped up.

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We do that in the district, we apply more resources

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to rise. I do have some stats that will tell

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you about 2023. Rise statistics. When they're not. Doing reactive

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things. They do proactive things. And this combination of responding

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to motor vehicles, reactive, we assist our front line, but.

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We attend lots of community events. In the last couple

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of years, we've shifted from almost. Solely based on traffic

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to a combination of event based, with protests being one

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of the primary things. We respond to. And it's this

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unit that goes to those things primarily. They have more

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training and more experience dealing with members of the public.

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And they're there just. As. Overwatched in case a problem

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happens. They don't interfere unless there's actually. An issue that

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happens. They do liquor license check up in Holton Hills.

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It hasn't. Been a big issue. In 2024 for us.

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The closure of the national north used to take up

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a lot of our time. It hasn't in the recent

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this year. And of course, they go to priority calls

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for service. If there's an emergency incident, they have to

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drop everything and go to that. And the assistor frontline.

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In 2023. Just this unit, which is the traffic unit,

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is an eight person unit. They went to over 2200

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calls for service. As you work your way down 2500.

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Provincial offense notices, which are tickets. They give out about

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an equal number of warning tickets, which aren't captured the

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same with provincial offenses are and probably an equal amount

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of stops where they just educate people and just talk

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to people. 3100 traffic stops conducted by jew. But that's

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only related to the Pos. And every stop, they may

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give one pond or more. So you have to work

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your way through. The numbers, they don't all add up.

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It's because every stop could equal one. Education piece. One

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mourn and a few tickets. The complaints traffic related come

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through a different way as well. A variety of ways

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it can be officer generated, which is the majority of

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those traffic stops. It can be through traffic complaints that's.

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A member of the public. We call them nine. Nine

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one occurrences. In 2024. That was only up to August.

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00:43:38,497 --> 00:43:39,977
We had just about 800, so they look to be

468
00:43:39,977 --> 00:43:43,577
trending to vote the same as 2023. Numbers. That's members

469
00:43:43,577 --> 00:43:45,617
of the public call us. That the calls you're going

470
00:43:45,617 --> 00:43:50,528
to receive quite often. And then. We do an analysis

471
00:43:50,528 --> 00:43:53,448
of those calls and we'll send resources to hot spots.

472
00:43:55,329 --> 00:43:57,529
Another way it comes to is through our road watch,

473
00:43:57,529 --> 00:44:00,689
which is through our website. We don't. Get nearly as

474
00:44:00,689 --> 00:44:02,729
many, but we do get some. We're trending of a

475
00:44:02,729 --> 00:44:05,929
bit. Less this year than in other years, but numbers

476
00:44:05,929 --> 00:44:07,409
seem to be the same this year for traffic as

477
00:44:07,409 --> 00:44:13,218
they do in years ago past. When you have a

478
00:44:13,218 --> 00:44:17,368
specific concern. We are as well as changing a need

479
00:44:17,368 --> 00:44:22,348
and I, in terms of. The hierarchy. In 2025, we

480
00:44:22,348 --> 00:44:24,708
will have a new person in charge of this unit.

481
00:44:26,190 --> 00:44:29,298
And our cab. And traffic will continue to be a

482
00:44:29,298 --> 00:44:32,178
concern, but they'll introduce you to that person when they

483
00:44:32,178 --> 00:44:35,863
start. And that will be your primary contact. It's going

484
00:44:35,863 --> 00:44:37,783
to be a girl named Kathy Walker. She's a staff

485
00:44:37,783 --> 00:44:40,583
sergeant and she'll be a staff sergeant in this unit.

486
00:44:42,220 --> 00:44:46,382
And just, this just shows that. We do have kind

487
00:44:46,382 --> 00:44:49,142
of yearly things that come up. We try to divide

488
00:44:49,142 --> 00:44:51,782
them up to each quarter each quarter, there's usually two

489
00:44:51,782 --> 00:44:54,782
or three things, kind of the standard enforcement projects we

490
00:44:54,782 --> 00:44:56,862
do every year. You can see project noise maker is

491
00:44:56,862 --> 00:45:02,543
always an interest to you. Canada Road safety week. The

492
00:45:02,543 --> 00:45:05,980
commercial motor vehicle blitz is important. That shows the truck.

493
00:45:07,475 --> 00:45:09,275
Those things happen every year, and we divide them up

494
00:45:09,275 --> 00:45:18,902
throughout the year by quarter. If you're not aware, we

495
00:45:18,902 --> 00:45:22,142
have recently changed the way we've taken traffic complaints. And

496
00:45:22,142 --> 00:45:24,942
we communicate to the public. It used to be that

497
00:45:24,942 --> 00:45:28,062
Burlington, Oakville, Halton Hills, Milton would all have their own.

498
00:45:29,531 --> 00:45:32,865
X account or Twitter account. And we would communicate to

499
00:45:32,865 --> 00:45:34,945
people that way and people would communicate to us that

500
00:45:34,945 --> 00:45:37,745
way, would get confusing for people. And the feedback we

501
00:45:37,745 --> 00:45:40,025
got is if someone had a complaint, they wouldn't. Know

502
00:45:40,025 --> 00:45:44,555
where to go. To make a complaint on Twitter or

503
00:45:44,555 --> 00:45:47,598
X, and they wouldn't know where to get information. So

504
00:45:47,598 --> 00:45:50,038
we've put that all into one account, so everyone throughout

505
00:45:50,038 --> 00:45:53,278
the region goes the same. Account. It's monitored by all

506
00:45:53,278 --> 00:45:56,358
the districts, and we found that it's more productive. For

507
00:45:56,358 --> 00:45:58,798
us. We get more information that way, and we're able

508
00:45:58,798 --> 00:46:01,678
to get information out to our public much quicker in

509
00:46:01,678 --> 00:46:11,511
all the districts, including all mills. The other half of

510
00:46:11,511 --> 00:46:16,886
the district response team. At community mobilization team. So between

511
00:46:16,886 --> 00:46:20,086
the Drew team and the community mobilization team, that's one.

512
00:46:20,086 --> 00:46:23,825
Office of people that work for us. This is where

513
00:46:23,825 --> 00:46:27,780
community, safety and well being is. Bread and butter. They

514
00:46:27,780 --> 00:46:32,467
get out into the public, the public events continuously. We

515
00:46:32,467 --> 00:46:36,307
have a group of people, including high school liaison officers

516
00:46:36,307 --> 00:46:40,561
and. They're educating the public on things that are important

517
00:46:40,561 --> 00:46:43,041
to us and also getting feedback from the public are

518
00:46:43,041 --> 00:46:46,281
most important to us. Although our high school officers aren't

519
00:46:46,281 --> 00:46:50,081
embedded in the schools. They do have a really close

520
00:46:50,081 --> 00:46:54,258
relationship with our youth, and. With the teachers and the

521
00:46:54,258 --> 00:46:58,254
principals. And on a daily basis, they're in communication with

522
00:46:58,254 --> 00:47:01,014
people from the Holton Hill schools. And if there's an

523
00:47:01,014 --> 00:47:04,474
incident. They're the ones who will go investigate that. So

524
00:47:04,474 --> 00:47:06,714
they build that rapport with the youth because they're the

525
00:47:06,714 --> 00:47:10,779
face the youth see on a daily basis. We have

526
00:47:10,779 --> 00:47:13,779
a social worker attached to that team. It really is

527
00:47:13,779 --> 00:47:19,328
an advisor and gives us a civilian. Lens to look

528
00:47:19,328 --> 00:47:22,208
through. And it's more of a help to our officers

529
00:47:22,208 --> 00:47:26,908
than to anybody. To be honest with you. Community mobilization

530
00:47:26,908 --> 00:47:28,788
officers. I have some examples coming up of what the

531
00:47:28,788 --> 00:47:31,788
things they did in 2024. But they're really out in

532
00:47:31,788 --> 00:47:35,468
the public and running programs for youth, running programs for

533
00:47:35,468 --> 00:47:43,824
adults. Some of the initiatives in 2024. These are the

534
00:47:43,824 --> 00:47:46,264
things that you will see us out at 2024. You

535
00:47:46,264 --> 00:47:49,961
saw us in 2023. Same things. The importance of this

536
00:47:49,961 --> 00:47:52,001
is there's dozens and dozens more, and I'll tell you.

537
00:47:52,001 --> 00:47:55,350
Each one of these comes with. We just don't show

538
00:47:55,350 --> 00:47:59,444
up. It comes with a very fulsome operational plan. It's

539
00:47:59,444 --> 00:48:00,804
not going to be the same as the one from

540
00:48:00,804 --> 00:48:05,954
2023 we look at. Every incident. Every event on its

541
00:48:05,954 --> 00:48:10,128
own. We debrief the one from the year before and

542
00:48:10,128 --> 00:48:11,328
say, what do we need to do? Better in the

543
00:48:11,328 --> 00:48:15,352
next year. I am a critical engine commander, which is

544
00:48:15,352 --> 00:48:18,698
the highest level you can get. In terms of event

545
00:48:18,698 --> 00:48:22,058
planning in the police, and I view every plan that

546
00:48:22,058 --> 00:48:24,338
comes through, so every plan that comes through our office,

547
00:48:24,338 --> 00:48:26,738
we make sure that there's the right amount of resources.

548
00:48:26,738 --> 00:48:29,658
We took lessons from 2023, and we apply them to

549
00:48:29,658 --> 00:48:34,970
2024. And there's dozens and dozens. Every event you go

550
00:48:34,970 --> 00:48:38,642
to there is a plan for. A few of those.

551
00:48:41,795 --> 00:48:48,927
In 2024. April 27, officer james dedu. Gave a lesson

552
00:48:48,927 --> 00:48:52,047
to the community on Sept. Which really what that is,

553
00:48:52,047 --> 00:48:56,287
is teaches people about target hardening their environment, their home,

554
00:48:56,287 --> 00:49:00,531
their business. Highlights things they should do to deter burglars

555
00:49:00,531 --> 00:49:04,291
or people from breaking into their homes. We had members

556
00:49:04,291 --> 00:49:08,371
of our CIB unit district response team there to answer

557
00:49:08,371 --> 00:49:12,334
questions. Those are things like places that should be really

558
00:49:12,334 --> 00:49:16,534
well lit, where you should cut shrubs, making sure you

559
00:49:16,534 --> 00:49:20,774
have two layers of security on every doorway, and it

560
00:49:20,774 --> 00:49:25,557
was well attended. And that septa training blood over to

561
00:49:25,557 --> 00:49:29,974
other. Initiatives we looked at in 2024 as well, including.

562
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:34,610
The act in graffiti cleanup. There was a problem with

563
00:49:34,610 --> 00:49:39,413
graffiti enact and we applied those principles. To the graffiti

564
00:49:39,413 --> 00:49:44,133
problem. To help deter that, we had an officer, Chris

565
00:49:44,133 --> 00:49:47,013
David, who then took part in the blitz to clean

566
00:49:47,013 --> 00:49:52,290
up the graffiti and act during the summertime. Another similar

567
00:49:52,290 --> 00:50:00,471
event that the community mobilization team was involved in. We're

568
00:50:00,471 --> 00:50:04,031
partnered with Proaction, which is an organization that helps kids

569
00:50:04,031 --> 00:50:07,871
and provides funding. To youth, specifically youth at risk at

570
00:50:07,871 --> 00:50:12,218
times. One event just to highlight was a summer skate

571
00:50:12,218 --> 00:50:16,025
and. This is a high school liaison officer. Took youth

572
00:50:16,025 --> 00:50:18,185
out to do a skating program and that's? Paid for

573
00:50:18,185 --> 00:50:23,307
by proaction cops for kids. And just recently, we just

574
00:50:23,307 --> 00:50:32,957
completed a drive for clothing. This drive started in 2022.

575
00:50:32,957 --> 00:50:36,597
Our 2024 program just ended, and I believe we raised

576
00:50:36,597 --> 00:50:41,627
just over 300. Winter jackets and pants for kids in

577
00:50:41,627 --> 00:50:47,569
the region. And he's going to take over now. Michael.

578
00:50:48,626 --> 00:50:52,106
So I'm going to refer to our criminal Investigations Bureau.

579
00:50:52,106 --> 00:50:57,619
So we do have regional units. That. Take, for the

580
00:50:57,619 --> 00:51:01,019
lack of a better word, those higher level investigations. Anything

581
00:51:01,019 --> 00:51:04,823
that we can manage within the district. Will maintain a

582
00:51:04,823 --> 00:51:08,103
level of control over unless it exceeds the capacity or

583
00:51:08,103 --> 00:51:12,703
the KSAs of those teams. So this is the makeup

584
00:51:12,703 --> 00:51:16,503
of our CIB unit. Right now, there are six different

585
00:51:16,503 --> 00:51:20,343
portfolios. Now, it's important to say that although they have

586
00:51:20,343 --> 00:51:24,561
specific areas that they focus on, They are generalists. So

587
00:51:24,561 --> 00:51:26,401
if they are working, they are the ones that are

588
00:51:26,401 --> 00:51:30,121
responding on the ground supporting our front line, and that's

589
00:51:30,121 --> 00:51:34,988
the expectation, and they do it very well. However, when

590
00:51:34,988 --> 00:51:40,068
it comes to their specific portfolios, they're the ones that

591
00:51:40,068 --> 00:51:47,659
assume control of the investigations. So oftentimes. With missing persons,

592
00:51:47,659 --> 00:51:52,256
especially persons that we don't locate immediately. They'll take control

593
00:51:52,256 --> 00:51:55,416
of that and make sure that they're exhausting all the

594
00:51:55,416 --> 00:52:00,510
additional efforts. In locating that person. So just high level.

595
00:52:01,886 --> 00:52:05,166
Are missing. Our person's team. They deal with missing persons,

596
00:52:05,166 --> 00:52:14,030
assaults, criminal harassment, sex tortion. Online based. Interactions and crimes

597
00:52:14,030 --> 00:52:17,910
against seniors. We should have a member that's solely dedicated.

598
00:52:19,096 --> 00:52:24,434
To senior related investigations because they are very complex. Our

599
00:52:24,434 --> 00:52:29,258
second team is a robbery team. We also. Have a

600
00:52:29,258 --> 00:52:32,498
member that's embedded in that team that manages all of

601
00:52:32,498 --> 00:52:34,698
the calls that come. Through Maple hearst, which is? You

602
00:52:34,698 --> 00:52:37,698
can imagine there are quite a few that come to

603
00:52:37,698 --> 00:52:41,178
our team. And it's our responsibility to attend and ensure

604
00:52:41,178 --> 00:52:48,158
that. We're conducting a criminal investigation. In consultation with the

605
00:52:48,158 --> 00:52:52,042
staff at Maplehurst. An auto theft team. We do have

606
00:52:52,042 --> 00:52:56,201
a regional auto assess team now. And this team will

607
00:52:56,201 --> 00:53:01,733
maintain control of anything that doesn't really involve. Home invasions,

608
00:53:01,733 --> 00:53:05,053
anything that isn't organized crime related. Now, they do have

609
00:53:05,053 --> 00:53:08,653
some level of involvement. In those investigations, but ultimately we

610
00:53:08,653 --> 00:53:12,493
will send it off to our regional investigative services to

611
00:53:12,493 --> 00:53:15,813
manage our break and enter team. Any type of break

612
00:53:15,813 --> 00:53:24,878
and enter. To. Any buildings, whether it's residential. Commercial, they'll

613
00:53:24,878 --> 00:53:28,878
take over that. And our offender management warrants have suffered

614
00:53:28,878 --> 00:53:34,515
from vehicles this is a risk mitigation team. Offender management

615
00:53:34,515 --> 00:53:37,915
works again with a regional unit, and anybody that's living

616
00:53:37,915 --> 00:53:43,888
in our area. They'll manage anybody that's high risk for

617
00:53:43,888 --> 00:53:48,928
reoffending anybody that's on the sex offender registry, anything that

618
00:53:48,928 --> 00:53:53,928
requires some sort of diligence through probation and parole. And

619
00:53:53,928 --> 00:53:56,528
they'll also deal with some other matters that come up,

620
00:53:56,528 --> 00:53:59,208
and they'll assist. The other teams and our street crime

621
00:53:59,208 --> 00:54:02,218
unit. Again, it's our mini drug. Team that we use

622
00:54:02,218 --> 00:54:04,938
in the district, so they'll manage those street level drugs.

623
00:54:06,417 --> 00:54:09,937
They'll respond oftentimes to overdoses, and they'll manage those types

624
00:54:09,937 --> 00:54:15,067
of investigations. This is a very pretty slide, but the

625
00:54:15,067 --> 00:54:20,131
numbers that I want. To draw your attention to are

626
00:54:20,131 --> 00:54:26,132
the bolded numbers. 89%. Those are our clearance rates, and

627
00:54:26,132 --> 00:54:28,932
unfortunately, we don't have the breaking enters as far as

628
00:54:28,932 --> 00:54:33,622
broken up between. Milton and Halton Hills, but we do

629
00:54:33,622 --> 00:54:36,982
have them kind of broken up elsewhere, so our assaults

630
00:54:36,982 --> 00:54:40,382
we do have a high clearance rate for salts, as

631
00:54:40,382 --> 00:54:43,862
you can see in Holton Hills there. Were 101 that

632
00:54:43,862 --> 00:54:48,582
occurred specifically in Holton Hills. There is a slight increase

633
00:54:48,582 --> 00:54:54,177
and there's anecdotal reasons for any. Increase and decrease. And

634
00:54:54,177 --> 00:54:57,177
we can obviously do a deep dive with our analytics

635
00:54:57,177 --> 00:55:00,777
team, discuss with or regional investigative services. But we don't

636
00:55:00,777 --> 00:55:05,377
often make utterances based on what we believe. Those anecdotal

637
00:55:05,377 --> 00:55:09,812
purposes are because. It can be misleading. There are a

638
00:55:09,812 --> 00:55:13,252
lot of things that are impacted by the global climate

639
00:55:13,252 --> 00:55:17,390
in our region as well. So there are differences year

640
00:55:17,390 --> 00:55:21,001
to year. Or missing persons. We do have a very

641
00:55:21,001 --> 00:55:25,161
high success rate, and actually we credit probably the last

642
00:55:25,161 --> 00:55:29,509
few. To the use of drones. When a loved one

643
00:55:29,509 --> 00:55:33,896
goes missing and it's reported to us. And because we

644
00:55:33,896 --> 00:55:38,128
have a lot of rural property in this district. We're

645
00:55:38,128 --> 00:55:43,222
getting the drones up. We're deploying our canine dogs. We're

646
00:55:43,222 --> 00:55:46,582
utilizing all the resources that we have. So luckily, we've

647
00:55:46,582 --> 00:55:49,822
had a very high success rate in locating persons that

648
00:55:49,822 --> 00:55:56,270
have gone missing. Break. And owners, they do fluctuate. Our

649
00:55:56,270 --> 00:55:59,990
robberies. We do have a high clearance rate as well.

650
00:55:59,990 --> 00:56:03,310
There's a very small percentage up in Halton Hills. We

651
00:56:03,310 --> 00:56:06,390
have had one home invasion. I believe that one is

652
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:11,919
still being investigated. And we did have an incident that

653
00:56:11,919 --> 00:56:16,657
was reported as a carjacking. It ended up being. False

654
00:56:16,657 --> 00:56:23,337
report. For various reasons. Vehicle thefts, and we'll have some

655
00:56:23,337 --> 00:56:27,305
slides that'll speak to those later on. Those have increased.

656
00:56:29,379 --> 00:56:35,154
In the recent few years. And. Vehicle theft from vehicles.

657
00:56:36,797 --> 00:56:40,470
As you'll see with. The blue bar. Those are unlocked

658
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:44,390
vehicles. So 141 of the occurrences are based on the

659
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:47,550
fact, and it goes back to what Cole was referring

660
00:56:47,550 --> 00:56:50,590
to as that sept head is target hardening. What are

661
00:56:50,590 --> 00:56:54,070
the actions that some homeowners need to take to ensure

662
00:56:54,070 --> 00:56:57,470
that they're not victimized. Unlocking their cars. It's always an

663
00:56:57,470 --> 00:57:00,662
educational piece for a lot of people. And then our

664
00:57:00,662 --> 00:57:04,142
overall stats. We have had some very fulsome discussions around

665
00:57:04,142 --> 00:57:06,622
stats because when you look at these bars. They are

666
00:57:06,622 --> 00:57:13,268
very misleading. When you see 3200 investigations. And only 380

667
00:57:13,268 --> 00:57:18,176
reps or 421 charges. When we look at investigations, we're

668
00:57:18,176 --> 00:57:23,636
also looking at. Those occurrences coming through Maple Hearst, which

669
00:57:23,636 --> 00:57:27,836
takes a significant toll on our cib unit. We're looking

670
00:57:27,836 --> 00:57:31,796
at overdoses, we're looking at other incidents that don't necessarily

671
00:57:31,796 --> 00:57:35,636
result. In an arrest, but requires some level of investigation.

672
00:57:35,636 --> 00:57:38,036
So that's why, on the surface, that can look somewhat

673
00:57:38,036 --> 00:57:46,682
misleading. And this is auto thefts for Halton Hills. Our

674
00:57:46,682 --> 00:57:51,634
percentage increased since 2019. I don't think. It's going to

675
00:57:51,634 --> 00:57:54,236
be a shock to anybody in this room because. The

676
00:57:54,236 --> 00:57:56,716
media is heavily covering it. Every region has been impacted.

677
00:57:58,522 --> 00:58:02,962
It's gone up 165%. It's a trend that we're very

678
00:58:02,962 --> 00:58:06,162
live. To that. The province is very live too that

679
00:58:06,162 --> 00:58:11,325
we've specifically received funding to address. We have had, on

680
00:58:11,325 --> 00:58:16,055
average, about 13 vehicles get stolen in a month. And

681
00:58:16,055 --> 00:58:20,864
about. 62 recovered, so. There are some top vehicles. Again,

682
00:58:20,864 --> 00:58:23,824
I'm not going to make any inferences. My husband actually

683
00:58:23,824 --> 00:58:25,704
works at Toyota, and I told me he's not allowed

684
00:58:25,704 --> 00:58:30,416
to buy a Toyota. But there's various reasons for why

685
00:58:30,416 --> 00:58:35,204
they're being targeted. How marketable that vehicle may be. So

686
00:58:35,204 --> 00:58:39,097
this is just what we're seeing. Up in Holton Hills

687
00:58:39,097 --> 00:58:43,635
specifically. And are very comprehensive, and it goes far beyond

688
00:58:43,635 --> 00:58:50,676
this. Again, it goes back to that CSWB model that

689
00:58:50,676 --> 00:58:57,046
Cole is referring to. Enforcement. Isn't enough for something like

690
00:58:57,046 --> 00:59:01,369
this. There needs to be collaboration. There needs to be

691
00:59:01,369 --> 00:59:05,741
some level. Of thought put into education for the public.

692
00:59:07,269 --> 00:59:09,789
And we need to partner with other services. So our

693
00:59:09,789 --> 00:59:13,029
instant response and a lot of these investigations when they

694
00:59:13,029 --> 00:59:17,020
do involve organized crime, we are partnering with. Other services.

695
00:59:18,629 --> 00:59:20,989
As you can imagine, there's a slide coming up next.

696
00:59:22,705 --> 00:59:25,425
It takes a significant amount of resources, takes a lot

697
00:59:25,425 --> 00:59:28,994
of time and energy. As somebody that has done surveillance,

698
00:59:28,994 --> 00:59:32,314
it takes a lot of hours to make observations, to

699
00:59:32,314 --> 00:59:38,138
make inferences. From those observations. And to actually develop a

700
00:59:38,138 --> 00:59:42,766
case that's strong enough to be able to prosecute. So

701
00:59:42,766 --> 00:59:47,166
the time, money, resources is definitely a significant factor, but

702
00:59:47,166 --> 00:59:50,966
it is a priority. So the services are very collaborative

703
00:59:50,966 --> 00:59:54,954
when we do work together because. It's a very transient

704
00:59:54,954 --> 01:00:00,499
type of crime. We do have a regional auto theft

705
01:00:00,499 --> 01:00:04,742
task force. That has been able to lift a lot

706
01:00:04,742 --> 01:00:07,377
of the work and a lot of the pressure. And

707
01:00:07,377 --> 01:00:10,417
the time constraints off of our CIB unit. We are

708
01:00:10,417 --> 01:00:15,177
looking at reorganizing. Our CIB portfolios. There's a need because

709
01:00:15,177 --> 01:00:19,929
the trends have changed. The environment has. Changed. We now

710
01:00:19,929 --> 01:00:22,649
need to adapt to some of those changes within our

711
01:00:22,649 --> 01:00:27,501
CIB, and we do provide our officers training. I was

712
01:00:27,501 --> 01:00:29,901
on frontline patrol quite a few years ago, and it

713
01:00:29,901 --> 01:00:34,501
has changed significantly since that. Time. So our frontline officers

714
01:00:34,501 --> 01:00:38,126
are experiencing. A very different environment than the rest of

715
01:00:38,126 --> 01:00:42,347
us ever have. So it's ensuring that everybody, including our

716
01:00:42,347 --> 01:00:45,467
level, have the same level of training to appreciate what

717
01:00:45,467 --> 01:00:50,817
those trends are at the current time. Our partnerships. Are

718
01:00:50,817 --> 01:00:55,782
anybody and everybody that will join us equit. We do

719
01:00:55,782 --> 01:00:59,188
see some revenning. We saw revenning and then. We didn't

720
01:00:59,188 --> 01:01:00,348
see it as much, and now we're starting to see

721
01:01:00,348 --> 01:01:04,068
it again. And so Equita is a national company that

722
01:01:04,068 --> 01:01:06,788
comes in. I don't know if it's in partnership with

723
01:01:06,788 --> 01:01:10,304
the insurance companies. But because there are markers within the

724
01:01:10,304 --> 01:01:12,584
vehicles to be able to identify what the true Vin

725
01:01:12,584 --> 01:01:16,461
is, within that vehicle. We collaborate with the Crown's office

726
01:01:16,461 --> 01:01:20,816
all the time. Our members have a very close working

727
01:01:20,816 --> 01:01:25,599
relationship with our local crowds. Other police services, obviously. And

728
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:29,802
then we do host. An annual summit to ensure that.

729
01:01:30,982 --> 01:01:36,822
Everybody from local jurisdictions have the same information. Communication strategy.

730
01:01:36,822 --> 01:01:40,702
Communication is essential to us. We use our corporate communications

731
01:01:40,702 --> 01:01:46,274
team to educate the public. And we're constantly looking at

732
01:01:46,274 --> 01:01:49,074
means of doing that so that it is catching their

733
01:01:49,074 --> 01:01:52,810
attention. As delivering the proper message. They did work on

734
01:01:52,810 --> 01:01:57,034
a crime Stoppers reenactment recently as well. We work with

735
01:01:57,034 --> 01:02:01,474
our regional community mobilization team, and they do assist with

736
01:02:01,474 --> 01:02:05,754
some of the youth based groups. And part of this

737
01:02:05,754 --> 01:02:09,714
is education, but ensuring that we're targeting some of those

738
01:02:09,714 --> 01:02:15,966
youth. Before. They kind of go down a trail. That

739
01:02:15,966 --> 01:02:20,739
maybe would be concerning. So we're utilizing. Our school liaison

740
01:02:20,739 --> 01:02:26,417
officers to help mitigate some of those issues. Network intervention.

741
01:02:27,062 --> 01:02:31,929
Or community mobilization office. Is we stand them up quite

742
01:02:31,929 --> 01:02:35,209
regularly. Every time we have something, we sort of redeploy.

743
01:02:35,209 --> 01:02:39,740
Them. And we try to be present. At as many

744
01:02:39,740 --> 01:02:43,127
events as we can. And again, So personalized letters to

745
01:02:43,127 --> 01:02:48,905
owners. Through the MTO, we determined these high risk vehicles,

746
01:02:48,905 --> 01:02:52,745
and we personally delivered letters to some of those residents

747
01:02:52,745 --> 01:02:55,185
to ensure that they had an awareness that they could

748
01:02:55,185 --> 01:02:58,465
potentially be targeted and what to do to limit the

749
01:02:58,465 --> 01:03:04,875
likelihood. These are just a couple of joint forces operations.

750
01:03:04,875 --> 01:03:07,235
I personally was not involved in any of them. But

751
01:03:07,235 --> 01:03:10,902
as you can see on the right hand side, There

752
01:03:10,902 --> 01:03:14,222
are quite a few services that were including the port

753
01:03:14,222 --> 01:03:19,138
of Halifax. The chief potential could probably speak to it

754
01:03:19,138 --> 01:03:23,218
when he does get up. But September 2023 to March

755
01:03:23,218 --> 01:03:28,654
2024, was one of them, and. It was a group

756
01:03:28,654 --> 01:03:33,038
of individuals that was targeting members of the public. And

757
01:03:33,038 --> 01:03:35,678
taking their vehicles while they were operating the vehicle. So

758
01:03:35,678 --> 01:03:38,198
it did escalate at times. To a level of violence.

759
01:03:39,626 --> 01:03:43,186
And similarly, there was another one, project vector, and they

760
01:03:43,186 --> 01:03:48,540
ended up. Locating a number of recovered vehicles. At the

761
01:03:48,540 --> 01:03:53,066
poor. To my understanding, it was quite. The undertaking. Trying

762
01:03:53,066 --> 01:03:56,146
to search some of the sea cans because there are

763
01:03:56,146 --> 01:03:58,746
quite a few of them, and they ended up locating

764
01:03:58,746 --> 01:04:02,146
598 vehicles, 19 of which were stolen from our region.

765
01:04:02,146 --> 01:04:06,276
So that was a significant project. Our mental health response.

766
01:04:08,692 --> 01:04:12,212
We have two levels of response. We have m cert,

767
01:04:12,212 --> 01:04:14,572
which is on this side, and then we have coast

768
01:04:14,572 --> 01:04:22,670
m cert is our emergency response. Somebody is. In a

769
01:04:22,670 --> 01:04:27,790
state of unwell that they need to seek medical assistance,

770
01:04:27,790 --> 01:04:30,390
and this is through a partnership with St. Joe's Hospital.

771
01:04:31,737 --> 01:04:33,817
So it's one of our officers that has very specific

772
01:04:33,817 --> 01:04:37,977
training, partnered with a healthcare professional. And the whole purpose

773
01:04:37,977 --> 01:04:41,217
is to have them attend because they have the requisite

774
01:04:41,217 --> 01:04:44,177
knowledge, skills, and abilities to be able to try to

775
01:04:44,177 --> 01:04:49,064
de escalate. And oftentimes they're able to divert that person

776
01:04:49,064 --> 01:04:52,624
away from the hospital and then engage our second mental

777
01:04:52,624 --> 01:04:55,988
health. Program or group that we have embedded in the

778
01:04:55,988 --> 01:05:00,644
service. Crisis intervention training all of our officers that are

779
01:05:00,644 --> 01:05:04,022
assigned to that team. Have that training in many of

780
01:05:04,022 --> 01:05:07,910
our frontline do as well. We have a cohort program.

781
01:05:09,786 --> 01:05:12,655
For our recruits. That is now embedded in their training,

782
01:05:12,655 --> 01:05:15,577
that within the first. Years of their service, they do

783
01:05:15,577 --> 01:05:21,540
receive that very specific focus training on mental health. Our

784
01:05:21,540 --> 01:05:25,620
second team is our coast crisis outreach and support team.

785
01:05:25,620 --> 01:05:30,637
Again, this was something. That I didn't necessarily exist when

786
01:05:30,637 --> 01:05:33,237
I was on the front line, and it's a partnership

787
01:05:33,237 --> 01:05:38,189
with the Canadian Mental Health association. And again. It's member

788
01:05:38,189 --> 01:05:43,029
of our team that's partnered with a crisis intervention specialist,

789
01:05:43,029 --> 01:05:45,309
and they go out after. When we respond to a

790
01:05:45,309 --> 01:05:48,029
call, they'll get a referral from our front line and.

791
01:05:49,562 --> 01:05:51,882
They will go and visit the person. So it could

792
01:05:51,882 --> 01:05:54,442
be a person that's living in a state that's concerning

793
01:05:54,442 --> 01:05:59,122
but not necessarily necessitating an immediate course of action to

794
01:05:59,122 --> 01:06:02,162
bring them in to get assessed. And so this team

795
01:06:02,162 --> 01:06:05,460
goes in and makes sure that. They're providing them with

796
01:06:05,460 --> 01:06:09,820
a proper assistance, resources, et cetera. So it's very tailored

797
01:06:09,820 --> 01:06:13,058
to the needs of the individual. Hate crime and hate

798
01:06:13,058 --> 01:06:21,205
incident response. This is another sort of evolving.

799
01:06:22,986 --> 01:06:27,586
Area for service. And the reason being the demographics have

800
01:06:27,586 --> 01:06:33,309
changed. There's tons of growth. In our community. And within

801
01:06:33,309 --> 01:06:38,221
our service. So our focus. In the last five or

802
01:06:38,221 --> 01:06:40,941
six years is to really focus on our internal well

803
01:06:40,941 --> 01:06:44,221
being, and then externally, how we're responding to the community.

804
01:06:44,221 --> 01:06:47,738
So we do have an organizational strategy. There is a

805
01:06:47,738 --> 01:06:53,458
provincial investigative team to share information between the services. Anybody

806
01:06:53,458 --> 01:06:57,618
that's committing any type of hate crime oftentimes is transient

807
01:06:57,618 --> 01:07:01,418
and going from region to region, or if investigatively we're

808
01:07:01,418 --> 01:07:05,378
looking at employing certain strategies coming across a specific group.

809
01:07:06,828 --> 01:07:09,348
They'll discuss it at that table. We do have an

810
01:07:09,348 --> 01:07:12,708
internal hate crime group to ensure. That our three districts

811
01:07:12,708 --> 01:07:17,843
and our regional investigative services are communicating. And we have

812
01:07:17,843 --> 01:07:22,987
mandatory. Service wide training. There is a difference in the

813
01:07:22,987 --> 01:07:26,823
criminal code. As far as a hate related incident and

814
01:07:26,823 --> 01:07:32,936
a hate crime. There are some misconceptions. With how to

815
01:07:32,936 --> 01:07:36,616
address certain incidents. Our approach as a service is that

816
01:07:36,616 --> 01:07:42,462
hate crime in isolation. Is not for one specific person

817
01:07:42,462 --> 01:07:46,182
to investigate. All of our investigators need and our frontline

818
01:07:46,182 --> 01:07:49,462
need. To know how to manage and how to deal

819
01:07:49,462 --> 01:07:53,160
with. Any incident. They hate crime. So our CIB unit.

820
01:07:54,938 --> 01:07:56,778
Will typically flag that with the crown, that there's an

821
01:07:56,778 --> 01:08:00,298
element to hate, whether it's. Hate related or whether it

822
01:08:00,298 --> 01:08:04,594
classifies as a hate crime. Edi engagement. We do have

823
01:08:04,594 --> 01:08:08,154
an EDI team and an extended ADI team. Each district

824
01:08:08,154 --> 01:08:11,834
has members that it's to ensure that they have a

825
01:08:11,834 --> 01:08:14,314
current awareness of what the climate is. The political climate,

826
01:08:14,314 --> 01:08:18,554
the global climate, maybe some items of interest. The demographics

827
01:08:18,554 --> 01:08:21,709
within each district are very different. And some of the

828
01:08:21,709 --> 01:08:24,869
incidents that we're dealing with can be very different. So

829
01:08:24,869 --> 01:08:28,189
this group helps navigate some, and many of the people

830
01:08:28,189 --> 01:08:31,229
in this room have probably dealt with more recently. KeitH

831
01:08:31,229 --> 01:08:35,791
Nakahara who is working. In that unit. He will meet

832
01:08:35,791 --> 01:08:38,938
with community partners. He will meet and he will discuss.

833
01:08:40,598 --> 01:08:45,109
Legislation if he needs to, and he will discuss. What

834
01:08:45,109 --> 01:08:48,229
our policies and procedures are, so it's ensuring that there's

835
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:53,608
a shared understanding. And leveraging provincial funding. Our budget is

836
01:08:53,608 --> 01:08:56,928
limited to what it's limited to, and so we do

837
01:08:56,928 --> 01:09:00,248
apply for community. Grants recently. We had a community safety

838
01:09:00,248 --> 01:09:04,321
and well being. Grant. It was just under a million

839
01:09:04,321 --> 01:09:07,641
dollars that we were able to leverage that and utilize

840
01:09:07,641 --> 01:09:13,529
it. Towards hiring experts in the field. Hosting a community

841
01:09:13,529 --> 01:09:16,323
event. Two years in a row. And through that, we

842
01:09:16,323 --> 01:09:19,083
were able to determine some things that we are the

843
01:09:19,083 --> 01:09:21,203
do need improvement. And one of them goes back to

844
01:09:21,203 --> 01:09:25,192
something as simple as. Social media. Is if there are

845
01:09:25,192 --> 01:09:30,296
any posts that we post that. Have. An EDI sort

846
01:09:30,296 --> 01:09:33,696
of perspective or lens is not allowing members of the

847
01:09:33,696 --> 01:09:36,576
public to use it. As a form for hate. So

848
01:09:36,576 --> 01:09:40,256
we do shut down the opportunity for people to comment,

849
01:09:40,256 --> 01:09:43,870
and it wasn't necessarily. Something that we had thought of,

850
01:09:43,870 --> 01:09:47,150
so there was tons of value in getting that feedback,

851
01:09:47,150 --> 01:09:50,710
and then tracking mechanisms. We actually have internal mechanisms to

852
01:09:50,710 --> 01:09:53,910
now track how many hate incidents, hate crimes, and we're

853
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:57,510
able to present to the board every year. So as

854
01:09:57,510 --> 01:10:03,383
of 2023, we did have 146 related hate occurrences. 70

855
01:10:03,383 --> 01:10:06,543
of which resulted in criminal charges, and that's in Holme

856
01:10:06,543 --> 01:10:11,444
Hills. Our opioid strategy.

857
01:10:17,289 --> 01:10:19,649
So this is in partnership with regional health. This has

858
01:10:19,649 --> 01:10:23,262
been quite a few years. And what we've done is.

859
01:10:24,713 --> 01:10:27,873
Each one of our frontline officers and ourselves included, have

860
01:10:27,873 --> 01:10:32,313
do carry Narcan, and we use it regularly. As recent

861
01:10:32,313 --> 01:10:35,793
as this morning, we had an officer come into our

862
01:10:35,793 --> 01:10:39,833
office and she had administered two in a row, and

863
01:10:39,833 --> 01:10:42,873
so our officers are using it on a regular basis.

864
01:10:45,094 --> 01:10:51,342
To date, we've had 32. Now. We did host an

865
01:10:51,342 --> 01:10:57,281
opioid awareness. Education forum for members last week. And our

866
01:10:57,281 --> 01:11:00,401
drug unit advised that they have seen a 40. I

867
01:11:00,401 --> 01:11:07,802
believe it's 46%. Decrease. Of fatal deaths with overdoses, and

868
01:11:07,802 --> 01:11:12,082
that's region wide. So again, there can be anecdotal reasons

869
01:11:12,082 --> 01:11:16,207
for that, but it could be an indication that. Distributing

870
01:11:16,207 --> 01:11:20,823
an arcan is a life saving measure. Promise. I am

871
01:11:20,823 --> 01:11:24,543
not a talker, so this is killing me. And then

872
01:11:24,543 --> 01:11:29,343
our new one district. Facility, which everyone here is well

873
01:11:29,343 --> 01:11:32,503
aware of, and we're very excited to move into her.

874
01:11:32,503 --> 01:11:39,939
Current building. Is not necessarily in the best state of

875
01:11:39,939 --> 01:11:44,357
affairs. A groundbreaking. I know I saw many people here

876
01:11:44,357 --> 01:11:48,077
on May 8, which was wonderful to see, and these

877
01:11:48,077 --> 01:11:52,037
completion dates, you probably have way more awareness as far

878
01:11:52,037 --> 01:11:57,558
as. The completion date probably stands. Do you want to

879
01:11:57,558 --> 01:12:03,029
wrap it up? No. Thank you so much. There's a

880
01:12:03,029 --> 01:12:06,269
lot of information to go through, but I know. Different

881
01:12:06,269 --> 01:12:09,789
counselors always have particular interest in those different areas in

882
01:12:09,789 --> 01:12:15,343
Autosft and home invasion. Certainly. Is a big topic for

883
01:12:15,343 --> 01:12:19,325
us these days. But. We sometimes lose sight of the

884
01:12:19,325 --> 01:12:22,325
fact that police service is not just ours. Across Canada,

885
01:12:22,325 --> 01:12:26,405
we tend to say that 75%, maybe more, of what

886
01:12:26,405 --> 01:12:28,485
our officers do on the front line is not crime

887
01:12:28,485 --> 01:12:32,685
related. So the 25% is the robberies and the breaking

888
01:12:32,685 --> 01:12:37,405
enters and we had 1500. Vehicles stolen last year. We're

889
01:12:37,405 --> 01:12:39,599
down about eleven or twelve. Percent so far this year.

890
01:12:39,599 --> 01:12:43,439
I hope that continues. Probably down 34% in the last

891
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:45,839
month part of that might be because the port of

892
01:12:45,839 --> 01:12:48,959
Montreal has been closed. So when the federal government orders

893
01:12:48,959 --> 01:12:50,759
them to open up again. I'm not sure what's going

894
01:12:50,759 --> 01:12:56,023
to happen, but that auto theft issue really is. And

895
01:12:56,023 --> 01:12:58,703
for the members of Councillor that are on regional Councillor

896
01:12:58,863 --> 01:13:04,103
have had police services board. Exposure. The port of Montreal.

897
01:13:05,603 --> 01:13:08,812
Is. A leaking huge port out of this country. The

898
01:13:08,812 --> 01:13:12,532
federal government does not prioritize exports from the country. When

899
01:13:12,532 --> 01:13:15,932
it comes to CBSA, the only thing they really prioritize

900
01:13:15,932 --> 01:13:19,332
on an export basis is drugs and firearms, and we

901
01:13:19,332 --> 01:13:22,652
are an import company when it comes to stolen firearms.

902
01:13:22,652 --> 01:13:24,532
I could go on about that for quite some time,

903
01:13:24,532 --> 01:13:28,928
but 85% of our. Crime guns when they're handguns in

904
01:13:28,928 --> 01:13:35,033
Ontario. Are stolen. Or smuggled here from the United States.

905
01:13:35,033 --> 01:13:38,193
We even know it's from four particular states. So there's

906
01:13:38,193 --> 01:13:41,286
no doubt about. Where some of our issues are at

907
01:13:41,286 --> 01:13:46,113
the border. Our crime trends, we are still the lowest

908
01:13:46,113 --> 01:13:50,473
crime severity index crime rates of all the large municipalities

909
01:13:50,473 --> 01:13:53,873
in Canada. That's over 100,000 in total as a region.

910
01:13:55,610 --> 01:13:58,130
And certainly, I think there are statistics here in Halton

911
01:13:58,130 --> 01:14:02,290
Hills are favorable when you compare to Oakville and Burlington

912
01:14:02,290 --> 01:14:06,672
Oakville. Is certainly sort of the center for our auto

913
01:14:06,672 --> 01:14:09,272
theft, more of our auto thefts, and certainly our home

914
01:14:09,272 --> 01:14:12,952
invasions are happening in Oakville. Bottom line, I believe most

915
01:14:12,952 --> 01:14:15,952
of our criminals don't. Have to go any further than

916
01:14:15,952 --> 01:14:18,432
Oakville when it comes to some of those vehicles that

917
01:14:18,432 --> 01:14:23,232
are being targeted, particularly the Toyota Trendra's Range Rovers and

918
01:14:23,232 --> 01:14:27,495
different types of vehicle. Vehicles. We are very wealthy region,

919
01:14:27,495 --> 01:14:31,175
as we all know, generally speaking, and we are certainly

920
01:14:31,175 --> 01:14:34,015
target rich when it comes to our criminals that are

921
01:14:34,015 --> 01:14:37,975
coming from outside of Halton to commit some of these.

922
01:14:37,975 --> 01:14:42,673
Crimes here. I'm glad that Anita mentioned the fact that

923
01:14:42,673 --> 01:14:46,793
Narcan was used as recently as today to save an

924
01:14:46,793 --> 01:14:51,473
overdose situation here in Halton Hills. We've also began to.

925
01:14:52,930 --> 01:14:57,446
Give Narcan out. To at risk individuals when we release

926
01:14:57,446 --> 01:15:01,046
them from custody. So if we have prisoners, sometimes overnight

927
01:15:01,046 --> 01:15:02,926
or they're released in the morning or bail hearing in

928
01:15:02,926 --> 01:15:06,166
the morning, and there is an issue. There. We will

929
01:15:06,166 --> 01:15:08,886
provide an arcan to them, too. I never thought a

930
01:15:08,886 --> 01:15:13,281
police service would do. That thinking back to 1982. When

931
01:15:13,281 --> 01:15:17,268
I started. But it's certainly a different world. And the

932
01:15:17,268 --> 01:15:22,079
mental health issues. Certainly places a different level of priority

933
01:15:22,079 --> 01:15:25,239
on our missing persons, sorts of incidents and why we

934
01:15:25,239 --> 01:15:29,039
have to do some of the extensive work that we

935
01:15:29,039 --> 01:15:31,759
do around every missing person call that we have. Now

936
01:15:31,759 --> 01:15:35,586
because they are generally people at risk. Or at some

937
01:15:35,586 --> 01:15:38,785
sort of elevated risk. Great to see the drone technology

938
01:15:38,785 --> 01:15:43,878
and that sort of thing. We actually had. An 85

939
01:15:43,878 --> 01:15:46,662
year old. Lady. I think it was just a couple

940
01:15:46,662 --> 01:15:49,982
of months ago that went missing in Burlington for a

941
01:15:49,982 --> 01:15:53,222
day and a half and was found with drone technology

942
01:15:53,222 --> 01:15:55,222
in a ravine where she probably never would. Have been

943
01:15:55,222 --> 01:16:00,344
found, so. She was returned safely in that situation. So

944
01:16:00,344 --> 01:16:04,040
the technology needs to be leveraged. It's not a secret.

945
01:16:05,437 --> 01:16:08,277
The Police Services Board has approved a budget increase for

946
01:16:08,277 --> 01:16:13,757
2025 at 13.8%, which. Will be going to regional Councillor.

947
01:16:13,757 --> 01:16:20,925
I think it's worth mentioning that amount. Because 11.9%. Is

948
01:16:20,925 --> 01:16:22,685
just keeping the lights on the way they are now.

949
01:16:24,424 --> 01:16:29,904
It's a combination of the compounding of collective agreement settlements

950
01:16:29,904 --> 01:16:34,362
from 2023, four and five. You will see, I would

951
01:16:34,362 --> 01:16:36,786
say. You will see in the not too distant future

952
01:16:36,786 --> 01:16:39,106
the same sorts of numbers when it comes to collective

953
01:16:39,106 --> 01:16:44,862
agreements for municipal fire departments and the paramedics. Are impacted

954
01:16:44,862 --> 01:16:51,749
to a similar level. But 9.9% is to absorb the

955
01:16:51,749 --> 01:16:57,989
salary benefit and related costs of collective agreements or arbitrations,

956
01:16:57,989 --> 01:17:02,719
which are cross Ontario trending that way. I can also

957
01:17:02,719 --> 01:17:06,959
tell you pl police Services board just approve their 2025

958
01:17:06,959 --> 01:17:12,010
budget at over 20%. And they're asking for 300 additional

959
01:17:12,010 --> 01:17:15,730
officers. We're asking for 26. So I say that to

960
01:17:15,730 --> 01:17:18,949
keep it in perspective. It is an expensive business. It

961
01:17:18,949 --> 01:17:23,139
is an expensive year. It will be higher than any

962
01:17:23,139 --> 01:17:28,059
previous recent year or future year, looking ahead. But that

963
01:17:28,059 --> 01:17:32,275
is where. We are at financially because of some of

964
01:17:32,275 --> 01:17:35,435
those impacts. The other thing, and I'm sure Mr. Mills

965
01:17:35,435 --> 01:17:39,911
would see it here in Halton Hills. Is the horrifically

966
01:17:39,911 --> 01:17:44,026
escalating cost of information technology. Everything that we do in

967
01:17:44,026 --> 01:17:48,801
the. It world it seems these days. We don't go

968
01:17:48,801 --> 01:17:51,721
out and purchase a system now, pay for it with

969
01:17:51,721 --> 01:17:56,615
capital dollars. And then keep it going for relatively little

970
01:17:56,615 --> 01:18:01,135
money every year. Everything is license based, everything is Sas.

971
01:18:01,135 --> 01:18:06,046
Server as you. Use these devices and as you use

972
01:18:06,046 --> 01:18:09,733
the technology. So when you think about. The level of

973
01:18:09,733 --> 01:18:13,613
analytics that we need to do, the records management systems

974
01:18:13,613 --> 01:18:16,333
that we need to have. In place to manage everything

975
01:18:16,333 --> 01:18:19,133
that the police service does. The computer aided dispatch types

976
01:18:19,133 --> 01:18:22,653
of systems which we sometimes share some of our technology

977
01:18:22,653 --> 01:18:27,031
with our municipal. Police or fire services and with our

978
01:18:27,031 --> 01:18:32,543
paramedics, when they can, are becoming increasingly expensive. I think

979
01:18:32,543 --> 01:18:35,583
the superintendent and the inspector touched on. There are a

980
01:18:35,583 --> 01:18:39,383
variety of resources that are available. To Halton Hills or

981
01:18:39,383 --> 01:18:43,580
to any of our municipalities on a regional basis. I

982
01:18:43,580 --> 01:18:46,260
know that members of regional Councillor will remember last year.

983
01:18:48,012 --> 01:18:53,463
We increased some budget dollars to enhance. Our homicide. Or

984
01:18:53,463 --> 01:18:56,343
major crime type of area, and that was to take

985
01:18:56,343 --> 01:19:00,183
some of that work away from the district criminal investigation

986
01:19:00,183 --> 01:19:02,903
bureau. So a year ago, if there had been a

987
01:19:02,903 --> 01:19:06,623
shooting in Halton Hills, and it was not a fatal

988
01:19:06,623 --> 01:19:10,405
shooting. The resources here in Milton and Halton Hills would

989
01:19:10,405 --> 01:19:14,782
have dealt with the majority of that investigation. But the

990
01:19:14,782 --> 01:19:18,767
reality is that shooting. Was probably just as difficult to

991
01:19:18,767 --> 01:19:21,367
investigate and solve as if the person had passed away.

992
01:19:22,972 --> 01:19:26,012
A homicide or an attempt homicide is the same investigation.

993
01:19:27,525 --> 01:19:29,965
Increasingly, its organized crime coming from out of town with

994
01:19:29,965 --> 01:19:32,805
a lot of technical things that have to be done

995
01:19:32,805 --> 01:19:36,484
on the investigative side. Now we can take those investigations.

996
01:19:38,054 --> 01:19:40,334
I use an example of just last week we had

997
01:19:40,334 --> 01:19:43,831
a shooting in Oakville. We have had very few. This

998
01:19:43,831 --> 01:19:49,934
year, thankfully. Something that. Would. But that will be handled

999
01:19:49,934 --> 01:19:56,082
by regional resources, not by the Oakville detectives. So. They're

1000
01:19:56,082 --> 01:19:59,512
no longer being drawn away to do the shooting. And

1001
01:19:59,512 --> 01:20:00,952
not able to do the break and endorse and the

1002
01:20:00,952 --> 01:20:04,672
auto thefts in the local area. So again, just an

1003
01:20:04,672 --> 01:20:10,392
example of how our regional resources and capabilities. Are greater

1004
01:20:10,392 --> 01:20:13,672
than each of us would have been individually back in

1005
01:20:13,672 --> 01:20:21,125
pre 1974. The Georgetown Police Department back then. Would not

1006
01:20:21,125 --> 01:20:24,245
be able to do the level of investigations that we

1007
01:20:24,245 --> 01:20:27,685
are now required to do by provincial legislation when it

1008
01:20:27,685 --> 01:20:32,005
comes to homicides and sexual assaults and very technically in

1009
01:20:32,005 --> 01:20:35,851
depth incident, so. That's just sort of a top up

1010
01:20:35,851 --> 01:20:38,731
to what the command team had to say. I'm certainly

1011
01:20:38,731 --> 01:20:41,211
here along with them to answer any questions. I know

1012
01:20:41,211 --> 01:20:43,411
we've taken a fair bit of your time, but thank

1013
01:20:43,411 --> 01:20:46,531
you for the invitation, and we'll come anytime that you

1014
01:20:46,531 --> 01:20:51,380
want us here on any topic. Thank you. Well, thanks

1015
01:20:51,380 --> 01:20:55,541
very much, chief. And I'll be very surprised if there

1016
01:20:55,541 --> 01:20:59,565
aren't lots of questions. You're always welcome. To come and

1017
01:20:59,565 --> 01:21:02,805
visit us, and there's a huge amount of interest in

1018
01:21:02,805 --> 01:21:06,787
the kinds of services the police are providing. So I

1019
01:21:06,787 --> 01:21:10,467
think. Councillor Rosinski, I saw you first. Thank you, Madam

1020
01:21:10,467 --> 01:21:14,307
Mayor. And thank you. Chief superintendent and inspector for coming

1021
01:21:14,307 --> 01:21:18,684
and giving your presentation today. Really appreciate it. As you

1022
01:21:18,684 --> 01:21:22,204
know, the province is pushing for bail reform, and I

1023
01:21:22,204 --> 01:21:25,244
was at an event organized by Councillor Hilsen a few

1024
01:21:25,244 --> 01:21:28,764
months ago about domestic abuse, and an officer was there

1025
01:21:28,764 --> 01:21:32,534
giving a presentation. He was sharing some of the issues

1026
01:21:32,534 --> 01:21:38,346
that they have. In keeping people, repeat offenders off the

1027
01:21:38,346 --> 01:21:42,106
streets and the work that you put in to prosecute.

1028
01:21:42,106 --> 01:21:44,946
As was mentioned by the inspector and then have them

1029
01:21:44,946 --> 01:21:51,282
do out on the street. Soon after that. Is discouraging

1030
01:21:51,282 --> 01:21:53,922
for your officers and for the people involved in those

1031
01:21:53,922 --> 01:21:56,482
investigations, so I just. Wondered if you could comment on

1032
01:21:56,482 --> 01:22:00,082
that and how you're dealing with repeat offenders in Hamilton.

1033
01:22:00,082 --> 01:22:04,587
Region? I'd love to. How long do I have? It's

1034
01:22:04,587 --> 01:22:10,541
such a complicated situation. We thank the provincial. Government for

1035
01:22:10,541 --> 01:22:14,021
their position on bail reform. To the extent that they

1036
01:22:14,021 --> 01:22:18,421
can control that, it's sort of a multilevel government issue

1037
01:22:18,421 --> 01:22:22,504
and concern. Where criminal laws are made by our federal

1038
01:22:22,504 --> 01:22:25,864
government. Our provincial government is responsible for policing and the

1039
01:22:25,864 --> 01:22:30,945
attorney general's office provincially. We do very much have what

1040
01:22:30,945 --> 01:22:35,363
you will hear, Premier Ford. General Kirsner say is a

1041
01:22:35,363 --> 01:22:39,716
catch and release type of justice system. Most people. That

1042
01:22:39,716 --> 01:22:42,196
if we hold them in custody, most people are let

1043
01:22:42,196 --> 01:22:46,593
out on some form of bail. For violent offenders. I'm

1044
01:22:46,593 --> 01:22:49,473
not at all a fan of ankle bracelets and how's.

1045
01:22:49,473 --> 01:22:52,513
The rest? Because they can be removed. And we've had

1046
01:22:52,513 --> 01:22:58,873
horrendous situations. Happen, even involving some citizens from Halton Hills

1047
01:22:58,873 --> 01:23:01,833
in a tragic circumstance a few years ago. So it

1048
01:23:01,833 --> 01:23:05,551
definitely needs to change. Having said that, maple hear. Hearst

1049
01:23:05,551 --> 01:23:08,711
is pretty much full, I think they say 97% full.

1050
01:23:10,204 --> 01:23:13,451
They may be having. More than one inmate in a

1051
01:23:13,451 --> 01:23:17,519
cell area. That's only made for one I don't feel

1052
01:23:17,519 --> 01:23:21,159
particularly sorry about that. In and of itself. But the

1053
01:23:21,159 --> 01:23:26,440
provincial government also knows they will have to. Build increased

1054
01:23:26,440 --> 01:23:31,040
incarceration facilities, which come with huge expense. I think they

1055
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:38,052
can prioritize. Some non criminal. Individuals who are incarcerated and

1056
01:23:38,052 --> 01:23:40,652
save those positions for the ones that need to stay

1057
01:23:40,652 --> 01:23:46,888
in jail. It's horrendous that a repeat auto theft offender

1058
01:23:46,888 --> 01:23:51,375
is released and then goes and steals another vehicle. Every

1059
01:23:51,375 --> 01:23:54,455
time a vehicle stolen, it presents a great threat to

1060
01:23:54,455 --> 01:23:57,415
our police officers and to anyone else. Who's driving on

1061
01:23:57,415 --> 01:24:02,558
the road because. They're completely reckless, abandoned. They'll ram our

1062
01:24:02,558 --> 01:24:06,838
police cars, and we know that, and. We certainly have

1063
01:24:06,838 --> 01:24:09,278
our limitations on what we can do because we have

1064
01:24:09,278 --> 01:24:14,078
to look after public safety. Frustrating when we cannot do

1065
01:24:14,078 --> 01:24:16,478
more to apprehend some of those people in those situations,

1066
01:24:16,478 --> 01:24:21,089
but. We also can't. Have a pursuit lead to innocent

1067
01:24:21,089 --> 01:24:25,703
people being killed. I will say that the situation in

1068
01:24:25,703 --> 01:24:28,743
Durham where the U Haul ban was pursued on the

1069
01:24:28,743 --> 01:24:31,183
401 and was going in the wrong direction. That person

1070
01:24:31,183 --> 01:24:35,023
had been arrested and charged twice in Alton region. With

1071
01:24:35,023 --> 01:24:39,263
similar liquor store types of robberies and stuff if they

1072
01:24:39,263 --> 01:24:43,143
had still been in custody only my opinion, that never

1073
01:24:43,143 --> 01:24:45,805
would have happened. Never should have happened. So we do

1074
01:24:45,805 --> 01:24:47,685
need to have a system that keeps more people in

1075
01:24:47,685 --> 01:24:51,053
jail. I think there will be another election sometime in

1076
01:24:51,053 --> 01:24:55,212
the next year, and there may be a change. In

1077
01:24:55,212 --> 01:24:58,132
some priorities from a federal perspective. We'll wait to see

1078
01:24:58,132 --> 01:25:01,412
when that happens. Thank you. For sharing your perspective. I

1079
01:25:01,412 --> 01:25:04,132
agree completely, and I really appreciate that. Thank you. Thank

1080
01:25:04,132 --> 01:25:10,709
you. Councilor brass. Thank you, madam Mayor, through you to

1081
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:13,909
the chief. And thanks again for being here today. Chief,

1082
01:25:13,909 --> 01:25:18,203
with your team. My question is more of a Halton

1083
01:25:18,203 --> 01:25:22,755
Hill specific question, and. That would be. We are very

1084
01:25:22,755 --> 01:25:25,675
rich in aggregate in Halton Hills, and as a result

1085
01:25:25,675 --> 01:25:28,983
we have a lot of truck traffic. Not just regular

1086
01:25:28,983 --> 01:25:32,103
but also commercial truck traffic that really goes through all

1087
01:25:32,103 --> 01:25:38,196
wards. And we're seeing an increase in. Trucks. That? If

1088
01:25:38,196 --> 01:25:42,824
I can say, some of them are quite lawless. And

1089
01:25:42,824 --> 01:25:45,304
we see such an uptake on trucks using no truck

1090
01:25:45,304 --> 01:25:51,778
roads. Or their trucks are unsafe. We constantly getting complaints

1091
01:25:51,778 --> 01:25:55,098
about that. And I know you do an annual commercial

1092
01:25:55,098 --> 01:25:57,818
truck blitz which I've attended, and it was fantastic. It

1093
01:25:57,818 --> 01:26:00,978
was really great. But can you maybe comment or someone

1094
01:26:00,978 --> 01:26:04,632
from your team on. Is there going to be more

1095
01:26:04,632 --> 01:26:08,712
resource or more focus on cracking down on commercial vehicles

1096
01:26:08,712 --> 01:26:12,192
that are literally put citizens at risk because they're barreling

1097
01:26:12,192 --> 01:26:15,778
through no truck roads. Where they're not just no truck

1098
01:26:15,778 --> 01:26:17,938
rollers, because we don't want them on. There, it's because

1099
01:26:17,938 --> 01:26:20,138
they're not safe to be on there. So I wonder

1100
01:26:20,138 --> 01:26:23,298
if you might comment on that. Well, absolutely. And thank

1101
01:26:23,298 --> 01:26:27,868
you for the question. I absolutely agree with you. There

1102
01:26:27,868 --> 01:26:30,868
is a great concern with truck traffic in particular, even

1103
01:26:30,868 --> 01:26:33,148
more in the north end, I believe. Milton and Halton

1104
01:26:33,148 --> 01:26:37,501
Hills and Oakfront, Burlington. Things that sienne may or may

1105
01:26:37,501 --> 01:26:40,621
not do, and the status of that may even increase

1106
01:26:40,621 --> 01:26:46,542
that. And worsen things. Not all gravel aggregate hauling companies,

1107
01:26:46,542 --> 01:26:52,111
but certainly some. There is more profit. In overloading some

1108
01:26:52,111 --> 01:26:55,951
vehicles than following the law. We do have a commercial

1109
01:26:55,951 --> 01:26:59,751
motor vehicle unit who are exceptionally busy. I can't believe

1110
01:26:59,751 --> 01:27:01,191
what they do. I would not be able to do

1111
01:27:01,191 --> 01:27:04,351
what they do. I don't understand the things that they

1112
01:27:04,351 --> 01:27:08,296
understand about trucks. They can observe a truck on a

1113
01:27:08,296 --> 01:27:11,696
highway and they know that it's offending and they can

1114
01:27:11,696 --> 01:27:14,216
then pull it over and do the enforcement. They do

1115
01:27:14,216 --> 01:27:18,096
do an annual blitz, which you refer to where we

1116
01:27:18,096 --> 01:27:20,416
bring in the opp in York and Durham and Peele

1117
01:27:20,416 --> 01:27:22,856
and Hamilton. And they all do things on the same

1118
01:27:22,856 --> 01:27:25,896
day, and then our people go there as well, but.

1119
01:27:25,896 --> 01:27:30,050
They're also. Working daily. I honestly would double or triple

1120
01:27:30,050 --> 01:27:32,650
the size of our commercial motor vehicle unit if we

1121
01:27:32,650 --> 01:27:37,467
could. But having said that, I will say. In the

1122
01:27:37,467 --> 01:27:41,307
1.9% which is to hire additional stop this year. That

1123
01:27:41,307 --> 01:27:45,587
includes 26 police officers. That will allow us to put

1124
01:27:45,587 --> 01:27:50,124
16 of those on frontline platoons. There is no extra

1125
01:27:50,124 --> 01:27:54,604
officers there to put specifically into commercial vehicles units, but

1126
01:27:54,604 --> 01:27:57,444
we could use them. Here. Absolutely. They would be busy.

1127
01:27:57,444 --> 01:28:00,044
They would be busy 24 hours a day. So I

1128
01:28:00,044 --> 01:28:02,724
hope that that is a commitment that we can make

1129
01:28:02,724 --> 01:28:05,964
moving forward. We will have our officers and we have

1130
01:28:05,964 --> 01:28:10,533
officers in the district who train. And work alongside of

1131
01:28:10,533 --> 01:28:16,053
our full time, fully accredited. Commercial motor vehicle enforcement people.

1132
01:28:16,053 --> 01:28:18,636
We just can't make them. All a part of a

1133
01:28:18,636 --> 01:28:24,120
larger regional. Unit at this point. Absolutely share your concerns.

1134
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:28,908
Great. Thank you very much. Councilor Somerville. Yes. Thank you,

1135
01:28:28,908 --> 01:28:31,828
Madam Mayor. You to the chief. And I agree about

1136
01:28:31,828 --> 01:28:34,108
the commercial. Vehicle unit. You and I have chat about

1137
01:28:34,108 --> 01:28:40,301
that a number of times. That it's absolutely incredible that

1138
01:28:40,301 --> 01:28:42,301
they go in every day with their plan of being

1139
01:28:42,301 --> 01:28:44,901
as dirty as they can as they crawl in under

1140
01:28:44,901 --> 01:28:48,781
the trucks. But it's surprising for one of the statistics

1141
01:28:48,781 --> 01:28:51,861
that was put up that shows the calls to people.

1142
01:28:53,294 --> 01:28:58,827
Who didn't have their vehicle locked. The break in. I

1143
01:28:58,827 --> 01:29:02,267
can't believe I have to ask this question. In 2024,

1144
01:29:02,267 --> 01:29:06,267
how do we remind people to lock your door. Lock

1145
01:29:06,267 --> 01:29:10,086
the car up. And do that as well. It just

1146
01:29:10,086 --> 01:29:12,166
seems so foreign to me that we have to do

1147
01:29:12,166 --> 01:29:14,566
something. As simple and basic as that. Yeah. There are

1148
01:29:14,566 --> 01:29:17,206
a lot of common sense things that certainly all of

1149
01:29:17,206 --> 01:29:20,366
us as citizens could do better at that is one

1150
01:29:20,366 --> 01:29:24,376
of them. I drive a police vehicle. That doesn't look

1151
01:29:24,376 --> 01:29:26,536
like a police vehicle. I don't. Leave it anywhere without

1152
01:29:26,536 --> 01:29:29,936
a club on it and having a mobilizer in it

1153
01:29:29,936 --> 01:29:32,813
as well. Because I would not want to come here

1154
01:29:32,813 --> 01:29:36,311
and say that my truck was stolen personally. But the

1155
01:29:36,311 --> 01:29:40,351
immobilizers are expensive. There's the other tag systems, and certainly

1156
01:29:40,351 --> 01:29:43,781
locking the vehicle. I think some people. Have the perception

1157
01:29:43,781 --> 01:29:47,334
that. If they don't lock it, somebody will go into

1158
01:29:47,334 --> 01:29:49,894
it and steal something. But they won't. Smash the window

1159
01:29:49,894 --> 01:29:55,255
out. So I think some people are under that impression

1160
01:29:55,255 --> 01:29:58,897
that maybe they'll result in less damage. I think the

1161
01:29:58,897 --> 01:30:02,897
reality is, most times if a criminal we're talking about,

1162
01:30:02,897 --> 01:30:06,657
the less sophisticated person walking down the street that decides

1163
01:30:06,657 --> 01:30:10,337
to steal some change in sunglasses out of a vehicle

1164
01:30:10,337 --> 01:30:16,362
are not going to smash the window. So. It becomes

1165
01:30:16,362 --> 01:30:20,184
more of a crime of opportunity. But on a larger

1166
01:30:20,184 --> 01:30:24,387
scale, we also see it. With. There's so many homes

1167
01:30:24,387 --> 01:30:26,707
here in Halton Hills and throughout the region that have

1168
01:30:26,707 --> 01:30:29,655
two or three car garages. That are full of things.

1169
01:30:31,715 --> 01:30:33,795
And arrange rovers, and the Toyota Tundras and the f

1170
01:30:33,795 --> 01:30:37,395
150s are sitting in the driveway where criminals can just

1171
01:30:37,395 --> 01:30:40,555
drive by and basically shop for them. It would be

1172
01:30:40,555 --> 01:30:44,115
a great deterrent if we could educate people to put

1173
01:30:44,115 --> 01:30:47,795
particularly these high end vehicles, and they are being targeted.

1174
01:30:47,795 --> 01:30:51,951
Because they are worth $50 to $75,000. In Africa or

1175
01:30:51,951 --> 01:30:54,471
East Europe, which is where they're going to on these

1176
01:30:54,471 --> 01:30:57,991
ships, if they were inside the garages, I think our

1177
01:30:57,991 --> 01:31:02,026
auto theft problem would be significantly reduced. I agree. They

1178
01:31:02,026 --> 01:31:04,106
need to clean out their garage, I guess is what

1179
01:31:04,106 --> 01:31:07,186
I'd say to them. My last comment is we had

1180
01:31:07,186 --> 01:31:11,712
the meeting with the ward two councilors. And when Councillor

1181
01:31:11,712 --> 01:31:15,592
Debo did the septid, and it was tremendous, and I

1182
01:31:15,592 --> 01:31:17,672
would urge any of the other Councillor. If they want

1183
01:31:17,672 --> 01:31:19,872
to have a community meeting like that, set it up

1184
01:31:19,872 --> 01:31:25,581
and. Work together and have the police in because. You

1185
01:31:25,581 --> 01:31:30,009
stop looking. At landscaping rocks as being rocks, but instead,

1186
01:31:30,009 --> 01:31:32,849
it's a key for someone to get into. Your house,

1187
01:31:32,849 --> 01:31:34,729
and they're saying it's the easiest thing to pick up

1188
01:31:34,729 --> 01:31:35,969
if I. Need to get in the house. I throw

1189
01:31:35,969 --> 01:31:39,209
a rock through a window and you really start thinking,

1190
01:31:39,209 --> 01:31:42,929
of it differently when you see the presentation. So thank

1191
01:31:42,929 --> 01:31:45,762
you for that as well, because. It was for the

1192
01:31:45,762 --> 01:31:48,682
folks who attended. It was very enlightening to hear some

1193
01:31:48,682 --> 01:31:52,042
of the very simple things people can do that can

1194
01:31:52,042 --> 01:31:55,242
help secure their home. Thank you. It's great. To hear

1195
01:31:55,242 --> 01:31:58,402
and thank you. And we use that term septid, I

1196
01:31:58,402 --> 01:32:01,322
think, for the last 30 years, crime prevention through environmental

1197
01:32:01,322 --> 01:32:04,682
design. Cole referred to it as target hardening, which really

1198
01:32:04,682 --> 01:32:08,666
is what it is. I think th was taken. Thank

1199
01:32:08,666 --> 01:32:17,083
you, Councillor Garnell. Thank you. And through you, Madam Mayor,

1200
01:32:17,083 --> 01:32:21,430
to the chief. Thank you for coming here today. And

1201
01:32:21,430 --> 01:32:24,630
it's always nice to hear what's happening and to hear

1202
01:32:24,630 --> 01:32:29,372
from you and. Your colleagues. In particular. The new station

1203
01:32:29,372 --> 01:32:32,652
is exciting, and I'm just wondering if you can confirm

1204
01:32:32,652 --> 01:32:37,132
what's going to happen with the existing stations, long term

1205
01:32:37,132 --> 01:32:40,603
or short term? Yeah. There are some things that are

1206
01:32:40,603 --> 01:32:42,403
up in the air, I've always said, and I've said

1207
01:32:42,403 --> 01:32:44,403
this to. I've been back here as a chief now

1208
01:32:44,403 --> 01:32:46,883
in Halton for. Twelve years, and I think we've talked

1209
01:32:46,883 --> 01:32:51,279
about it for ten or eleven. Our plan is still

1210
01:32:51,279 --> 01:32:56,052
to use the station here. As a storefront type of

1211
01:32:56,052 --> 01:32:58,892
environment for people because it's still a fair distance for

1212
01:32:58,892 --> 01:33:01,692
some of your citizens to travel down to the other

1213
01:33:01,692 --> 01:33:04,714
part of your town. But although it's not in milton,

1214
01:33:06,467 --> 01:33:09,583
But. I think that presence is still important. I'm not

1215
01:33:09,583 --> 01:33:13,472
sure what level of staffing that will be. We also

1216
01:33:13,472 --> 01:33:16,632
probably have some use for that building and storage or

1217
01:33:16,632 --> 01:33:20,613
different things. It's interesting. All of these buildings are regional

1218
01:33:20,613 --> 01:33:25,100
assets. They're bought for and paid for by regional tax

1219
01:33:25,100 --> 01:33:28,980
dollars, which ultimately come from all of your Councillor, and

1220
01:33:28,980 --> 01:33:31,460
we have to budget for them in our operating budget

1221
01:33:31,460 --> 01:33:35,260
to pay for them, so. These buildings are paid for

1222
01:33:35,260 --> 01:33:38,686
in Halton Hills and the one in Milton. We may

1223
01:33:38,686 --> 01:33:42,991
actually. At the end of or going into 2026, we

1224
01:33:42,991 --> 01:33:46,911
may have to use the station in Milton. To do

1225
01:33:46,911 --> 01:33:50,591
some specific police training that we do. If you can

1226
01:33:50,591 --> 01:33:55,338
picture. Some of the terrible situations we tend to see

1227
01:33:55,338 --> 01:33:58,658
south of the border, active shooter types of situations. Every

1228
01:33:58,658 --> 01:34:01,218
one of our frontline officers have to be trained in

1229
01:34:01,218 --> 01:34:05,378
that dynamic type of response. We're having a really hard

1230
01:34:05,378 --> 01:34:10,744
time finding facilities to do that in. We've historically. Won't

1231
01:34:10,744 --> 01:34:16,524
get off topic. Historically, we've used vacant schools. Vacant businesses.

1232
01:34:16,524 --> 01:34:19,564
There are no schools available right now that are appropriate

1233
01:34:19,564 --> 01:34:22,804
for us to use. We may look at keeping that

1234
01:34:22,804 --> 01:34:25,819
for as long as we can, because I think. There

1235
01:34:25,819 --> 01:34:28,659
is a longer term commitment that that's going to move

1236
01:34:28,659 --> 01:34:32,838
into an expansion of Allendale and. It's going to be

1237
01:34:32,838 --> 01:34:36,430
retail and commercial. And there are probably millions of dollars

1238
01:34:36,430 --> 01:34:40,583
involved there outside of the police business. But we will

1239
01:34:40,583 --> 01:34:44,743
certainly keep those buildings going in different capacities for the

1240
01:34:44,743 --> 01:34:47,435
coming couple of years. And let me add to that.

1241
01:34:51,038 --> 01:34:54,238
I have also always said to this Councillor that while

1242
01:34:54,238 --> 01:34:57,638
the current location is where this facility is, going to

1243
01:34:57,638 --> 01:35:00,420
go. In the next eight to ten years, we are

1244
01:35:00,420 --> 01:35:03,580
going to start to outgrow that facility. And at that

1245
01:35:03,580 --> 01:35:06,620
point in time, I think there should be a separate

1246
01:35:06,620 --> 01:35:12,368
facility. Probably, I always say, in Georgetown proper, but back

1247
01:35:12,368 --> 01:35:16,968
more in central Halton Hills, and at which point, the

1248
01:35:16,968 --> 01:35:19,528
districts would be separated. So we would go to four

1249
01:35:19,528 --> 01:35:25,096
districts as opposed to three. With your population now. Oakland,

1250
01:35:25,096 --> 01:35:28,256
Burlington were this size when I started in 1982. They've

1251
01:35:28,256 --> 01:35:30,896
always been their own district, but it's always been this

1252
01:35:30,896 --> 01:35:36,296
proportionality thing, so. Halton hills. I'm not sure what I'll

1253
01:35:36,296 --> 01:35:40,367
be doing ten years from now. But Halton Hills should

1254
01:35:40,367 --> 01:35:43,407
be its own district, in my opinion. Have their own

1255
01:35:43,407 --> 01:35:47,578
superintendent and inspector. And units that coal and Anita just

1256
01:35:47,578 --> 01:35:57,346
spoke to. Thank you, Councillor Keane. Thanks, Madam Mary. Through

1257
01:35:57,346 --> 01:35:59,586
you to the chief. Thanks, chief. We're all addressing, I

1258
01:35:59,586 --> 01:36:02,346
guess our pet projects here. But following up on Councillor

1259
01:36:02,346 --> 01:36:04,986
Garnos comment, I've certainly heard feedback from the constituents that

1260
01:36:04,986 --> 01:36:07,386
there's a concern that we're not getting the same kind.

1261
01:36:07,386 --> 01:36:10,506
Of coverage up here through our police station that we've

1262
01:36:10,506 --> 01:36:13,570
had in the past. And specific area of concern that

1263
01:36:13,570 --> 01:36:16,897
I wanted to get your thoughts on. Is the vast

1264
01:36:16,897 --> 01:36:19,257
increase in what appears to be a vast increase in

1265
01:36:19,257 --> 01:36:21,857
street racing. It's been going on. You hear it here

1266
01:36:21,857 --> 01:36:25,337
every night, picking on the weekends. Just outside the outskirts

1267
01:36:25,337 --> 01:36:30,758
of town. I had just anecdotally told to me a

1268
01:36:30,758 --> 01:36:32,958
few months ago that basically the words gotten out on

1269
01:36:32,958 --> 01:36:35,798
the street with the younger generation that if you want

1270
01:36:35,798 --> 01:36:37,718
to get your hot rod come up from Milton or

1271
01:36:37,718 --> 01:36:40,198
Oakville, go up to Halton Hills, because there's no popo

1272
01:36:40,198 --> 01:36:43,238
around, you're more likely to get away with it on

1273
01:36:43,238 --> 01:36:46,416
their Instagram accounts. Or whatever they're using, right? So I

1274
01:36:46,416 --> 01:36:48,867
don't know if you could comment on that. Or if

1275
01:36:48,867 --> 01:36:50,387
you had some ideas on how we could maybe do

1276
01:36:50,387 --> 01:36:53,107
a blitz of some sort on the evenings to try

1277
01:36:53,107 --> 01:36:54,867
and put a little scare into these kids so they

1278
01:36:54,867 --> 01:36:59,444
don't get themselves killed, frankly. Thank you. That's one of

1279
01:36:59,444 --> 01:37:04,128
the greatest risks. On top of. The risk. That it

1280
01:37:04,128 --> 01:37:06,248
presents to all of your citizens when it's going on.

1281
01:37:06,248 --> 01:37:09,737
And the noise of it and everything else. We have

1282
01:37:09,737 --> 01:37:12,057
seen more of it in York Region has been really,

1283
01:37:12,057 --> 01:37:15,577
really bad for street racing and parts of Durham worse

1284
01:37:15,577 --> 01:37:19,627
than we have here, but we've had it. I think

1285
01:37:19,627 --> 01:37:26,274
it's a combination of frontline staffing. We're one person on

1286
01:37:26,274 --> 01:37:28,354
a shift starts to make a little bit of a

1287
01:37:28,354 --> 01:37:32,440
difference, so. When we're looking at these 16 frontline officers

1288
01:37:32,440 --> 01:37:35,720
that are in the 13.8%. Budget that we're talking about.

1289
01:37:37,232 --> 01:37:41,272
That, ideally, is one officer per platoon in Halton Hills

1290
01:37:41,272 --> 01:37:43,712
and in Milton. So it's actually two per platoon in

1291
01:37:43,712 --> 01:37:47,152
the north end and one per platoon. And Oakland, Burlington,

1292
01:37:47,152 --> 01:37:50,432
that's the general plan. That's why it's 16 instead of

1293
01:37:50,432 --> 01:37:54,760
twelve. Because we actually have twelve platoons across the region

1294
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:59,280
working twelve hour shifts. If there were another twelve officers.

1295
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:02,160
In addition to that, it would probably just be one

1296
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:05,637
to the district up here. But it is important to

1297
01:38:05,637 --> 01:38:08,237
increase our presence in every community as much as we

1298
01:38:08,237 --> 01:38:12,237
can as far as the location of the station. If

1299
01:38:12,237 --> 01:38:15,197
the location of the station was our biggest issue, there's

1300
01:38:15,197 --> 01:38:18,397
another issue with that, because our frontline officers, I don't

1301
01:38:18,397 --> 01:38:21,477
want them in the stations unless they are there for

1302
01:38:21,477 --> 01:38:24,981
lunches or for some reason that. They have to. They're

1303
01:38:24,981 --> 01:38:27,861
dealing with a prisoner or dealing with reports. Our front

1304
01:38:27,861 --> 01:38:32,021
line officers. Their office is actually the patrol cars. So

1305
01:38:32,021 --> 01:38:35,221
they will be out here in Halton Hills and. Milton

1306
01:38:35,221 --> 01:38:37,661
just as much as they would be when we had

1307
01:38:37,661 --> 01:38:39,261
the old station here, if I can. Call it that.

1308
01:38:41,127 --> 01:38:43,647
Soon to be the old station. So we will adjust

1309
01:38:43,647 --> 01:38:46,447
the staffing here in this municipality as much as we

1310
01:38:46,447 --> 01:38:50,647
can going forward. Blitzes are always something, and certainly the

1311
01:38:50,647 --> 01:38:53,647
superintendent and the inspector are here, they can look at

1312
01:38:53,647 --> 01:38:56,887
that with their district response teams and different ways that

1313
01:38:56,887 --> 01:38:59,659
we can blitz things. We're doing that in a different

1314
01:38:59,659 --> 01:39:04,060
way. Just last week. We had two auto theft situations

1315
01:39:04,060 --> 01:39:06,980
in Oakville. Just use this as an example. One was.

1316
01:39:08,099 --> 01:39:10,419
Two stolen cars that came to Oakville to steal other

1317
01:39:10,419 --> 01:39:15,259
cars that were observed by officers and because we put

1318
01:39:15,259 --> 01:39:18,991
this blitz sort of approach in place. There were additional

1319
01:39:18,991 --> 01:39:22,951
resources there to follow those people and address that situation

1320
01:39:22,951 --> 01:39:25,671
and make the arrest and the other incident, the same

1321
01:39:25,671 --> 01:39:28,591
night was a home invasion where someone was injured and

1322
01:39:28,591 --> 01:39:32,071
a car was stolen. And because the blitz type of

1323
01:39:32,071 --> 01:39:34,671
thing was happening that evening, we were able to make

1324
01:39:34,671 --> 01:39:38,560
arrests. And locate that car in another jurisdiction. And make

1325
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:42,536
arrests the next day through a very complicated. Investigation. So

1326
01:39:42,536 --> 01:39:45,816
the Blitz approach and the project approach is something that

1327
01:39:45,816 --> 01:39:50,550
we will definitely do. Here and Colon, Anita and others

1328
01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:54,204
will definitely be looking at that with you. Thank you.

1329
01:39:58,804 --> 01:40:02,022
Councilor hill. Thank you, madam mayor, through youth of the

1330
01:40:02,022 --> 01:40:05,302
chief. Thanks for coming, making the trip today, and thank

1331
01:40:05,302 --> 01:40:09,859
you good to listen to the presentation. As Councillor Keane

1332
01:40:09,859 --> 01:40:16,847
said. My pet project. This year. This was noted in

1333
01:40:16,847 --> 01:40:20,068
the presentation. You mentioned some of the work you did.

1334
01:40:20,068 --> 01:40:22,468
Councillor Arbano knows better than I do with. The graffiti

1335
01:40:22,468 --> 01:40:25,068
in downtown act and thank you for your support in

1336
01:40:25,068 --> 01:40:31,241
that as a force. But. I think there's also. Been

1337
01:40:31,241 --> 01:40:33,321
a bit of a shock that there's obviously break and

1338
01:40:33,321 --> 01:40:37,967
enters and vehicle thefts. All over the region. But. Representing.

1339
01:40:39,538 --> 01:40:44,239
A smaller suburban area. Smaller, with rural pieces. We just

1340
01:40:44,239 --> 01:40:47,719
had a particularly severe attempt at a home evasion a

1341
01:40:47,719 --> 01:40:50,909
couple of weeks ago. And I think there's people. It's

1342
01:40:50,909 --> 01:40:55,029
those things that people. It's the stories that scare people,

1343
01:40:55,029 --> 01:40:59,318
right? They don't necessarily see the numbers, but. They see

1344
01:40:59,318 --> 01:41:00,958
the news headline and they say, hey, that could have

1345
01:41:00,958 --> 01:41:03,198
been me. With persons beating the door with a gun.

1346
01:41:04,902 --> 01:41:09,004
So I'm just curious how. We communicate the work that's

1347
01:41:09,004 --> 01:41:11,004
being done and wondering if you could comment on that.

1348
01:41:12,928 --> 01:41:16,128
To let the people know. People don't necessarily know until

1349
01:41:16,128 --> 01:41:20,019
they know it. Right? And then. When something happens. They're

1350
01:41:20,019 --> 01:41:21,899
concerned. Nothing's being done to address it, which we know

1351
01:41:21,899 --> 01:41:24,299
isn't. The case, so I'm just curious if you could

1352
01:41:24,299 --> 01:41:28,259
comment on that. Yeah. Thank you. I think it perfectly

1353
01:41:28,259 --> 01:41:31,379
mirrors what we're seeing in part of Oldfill right now,

1354
01:41:31,379 --> 01:41:33,979
because the majority of the auto thefts that are of

1355
01:41:33,979 --> 01:41:36,939
the home invasion auto thefts are happening in one part

1356
01:41:36,939 --> 01:41:39,419
of Oakville so similar to what you're talking about here.

1357
01:41:40,216 --> 01:41:45,066
And. Those two instances last week happened in that neighborhood.

1358
01:41:45,066 --> 01:41:47,946
All the talk is of these terrible incidents which is

1359
01:41:47,946 --> 01:41:52,368
true, and we share that concern. The talk isn't that

1360
01:41:52,368 --> 01:41:55,848
individuals were arrested for both of those, and that's understandable.

1361
01:41:55,848 --> 01:42:00,848
Too, because the people were still threatened or injured. It

1362
01:42:00,848 --> 01:42:02,648
happened after the crime. It would be better if that

1363
01:42:02,648 --> 01:42:07,219
never happened. It's hard to. Stop them from happening. Sometimes

1364
01:42:07,219 --> 01:42:11,531
our officers are there. And time to do that and

1365
01:42:11,531 --> 01:42:13,891
more of a proactive way. I think we have to

1366
01:42:13,891 --> 01:42:17,262
get the message out. On the success of some of

1367
01:42:17,262 --> 01:42:23,182
those investigations. We can say in that Oakville situation. There

1368
01:42:23,182 --> 01:42:25,422
were, I want to say only x number of these

1369
01:42:25,422 --> 01:42:30,494
incidents. Because one is too many. But we also have

1370
01:42:30,494 --> 01:42:35,680
to keep it in perspective that we do have. It

1371
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:38,360
doesn't matter to a citizen whose house was broken into

1372
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:40,720
or you live next door. To that person that we

1373
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:43,560
have the lowest crime severity index, because that still threatens

1374
01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:46,440
your safety and security. So we do a lot through

1375
01:42:46,440 --> 01:42:50,200
social media. We try to educate through town halls and

1376
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:54,000
different municipalities and in particular in that part of Oakville

1377
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:56,910
to educate people. On what they could do to target

1378
01:42:56,910 --> 01:43:01,863
Harden, those homes and those vehicles. But that's a message.

1379
01:43:01,863 --> 01:43:03,983
I think what we often say in policing and other

1380
01:43:03,983 --> 01:43:07,263
businesses is if you think you've communicated enough, say it

1381
01:43:07,263 --> 01:43:10,928
ten more times. Because if you can put it out

1382
01:43:10,928 --> 01:43:15,948
on, get used to calling it X. Or whatever social

1383
01:43:15,948 --> 01:43:19,268
media platform we use. And if the citizens aren't on

1384
01:43:19,268 --> 01:43:21,828
that particular platform, it doesn't matter. So we have to

1385
01:43:21,828 --> 01:43:25,297
get it out. We also don't have local media assistance

1386
01:43:25,297 --> 01:43:29,259
that we used to have. There's no oak phobia. Burlington

1387
01:43:29,259 --> 01:43:33,961
Post. All the newspapers that most of us were used

1388
01:43:33,961 --> 01:43:38,255
to. Years gone by. It's either social media or someone

1389
01:43:38,255 --> 01:43:42,135
freelancing. And the Toronto media are so busy. They tend

1390
01:43:42,135 --> 01:43:44,135
not to come out here to help us get those

1391
01:43:44,135 --> 01:43:47,695
messages out, so we have to do more on a

1392
01:43:47,695 --> 01:43:52,055
corporate communications perspective. We're looking at adding a couple of

1393
01:43:52,055 --> 01:43:56,394
staff in that particular area for that reason. So. Certainly

1394
01:43:56,394 --> 01:44:00,363
all of you. When you hear presentations such as Today

1395
01:44:00,363 --> 01:44:02,843
from Colon, Anita can help to get that message out

1396
01:44:02,843 --> 01:44:05,963
as well, but the citizens that are living there still

1397
01:44:05,963 --> 01:44:09,483
feel more threatened than they did two years ago. And

1398
01:44:09,483 --> 01:44:11,643
that's going to take some bigger changes to make them

1399
01:44:11,643 --> 01:44:16,299
feel safer. Through the mayor. Yeah, you raised lots of

1400
01:44:16,299 --> 01:44:21,060
good points, and I think we know. In national media,

1401
01:44:21,060 --> 01:44:25,082
provincial media, There has been a significant increase. It's just

1402
01:44:25,082 --> 01:44:27,082
when you have a small community that maybe hasn't been

1403
01:44:27,082 --> 01:44:30,728
targeted the same way. That's why people get the sense

1404
01:44:30,728 --> 01:44:33,630
that things are getting worse. In many ways, they're not.

1405
01:44:33,630 --> 01:44:36,716
They're getting better. When you look as a region as

1406
01:44:36,716 --> 01:44:39,311
a whole, So I did have one other quick question.

1407
01:44:41,020 --> 01:44:43,460
I know there's been a lot said, but there was

1408
01:44:43,460 --> 01:44:46,340
a couple of times Maple Hearst. Was mentioned in different

1409
01:44:46,340 --> 01:44:50,404
ways. I'm just curious what percentage. Of our police. Power

1410
01:44:50,404 --> 01:44:53,844
of the Holton Regional Police is actually sort of dedicated

1411
01:44:53,844 --> 01:44:56,364
to Maplehurst. It seems like it takes quite a bit

1412
01:44:56,364 --> 01:45:01,709
of work. To keep things safe. Could you comment on

1413
01:45:01,709 --> 01:45:07,163
that? Yeah, it's Maple. Hearst keeps us very busy. We

1414
01:45:07,163 --> 01:45:10,979
have a shockingly high number of. Addiction issues there and

1415
01:45:10,979 --> 01:45:17,521
overdoses and sudden deaths and assaults. The province up until

1416
01:45:17,521 --> 01:45:21,718
about. Two and a half years ago, funded us for

1417
01:45:21,718 --> 01:45:27,291
about $200,000 to have. Two, three full time officers working

1418
01:45:27,291 --> 01:45:30,609
right there, so. They were there working in the institution.

1419
01:45:31,996 --> 01:45:35,248
The provincial government. More on the attorney general side and

1420
01:45:35,248 --> 01:45:40,485
other areas decided to save those dollars. And with the

1421
01:45:40,485 --> 01:45:42,605
idea that they would do more of their own investigations.

1422
01:45:43,979 --> 01:45:45,979
At the time. And still I say that's not really

1423
01:45:45,979 --> 01:45:50,053
possible because. We have great correctional officers, but if they're

1424
01:45:50,053 --> 01:45:53,173
involved in a situation where there's a death that they

1425
01:45:53,173 --> 01:45:58,568
really shouldn't be investigating that any more. Than we investigate

1426
01:45:58,568 --> 01:46:01,608
a police shooting type of situation. We have the special

1427
01:46:01,608 --> 01:46:05,454
investigations unit for that. I don't want to say we

1428
01:46:05,454 --> 01:46:10,310
are kicked out of Maplehurst, but. That funding was removed.

1429
01:46:10,310 --> 01:46:13,150
We said, okay, you do what you can do, and

1430
01:46:13,150 --> 01:46:15,710
we will go. When we need to. So that's the

1431
01:46:15,710 --> 01:46:18,070
way we've been doing it, probably for the last two

1432
01:46:18,070 --> 01:46:22,228
years. Is that a variety of officers will respond there

1433
01:46:22,228 --> 01:46:26,460
to those overdoses or to do those assault. Investigations. The

1434
01:46:26,460 --> 01:46:28,540
reality is, once in a while, those things are on

1435
01:46:28,540 --> 01:46:31,620
video and they're so serious. That charges are possible and

1436
01:46:31,620 --> 01:46:36,172
charges are pursued by our officers. A lot of times

1437
01:46:36,172 --> 01:46:39,664
you can imagine when people are in custody. They may

1438
01:46:39,664 --> 01:46:42,104
not want to give evidence against the person who injured

1439
01:46:42,104 --> 01:46:46,544
them. So there are some situations that go unsolved because

1440
01:46:46,544 --> 01:46:49,744
of that, because of the ongoing safety concern of the

1441
01:46:49,744 --> 01:46:55,062
victim, which we certainly understand, but the maple hearst. Is

1442
01:46:55,062 --> 01:46:58,662
a complicated facility, and it is a huge provincial facility.

1443
01:46:58,662 --> 01:47:03,579
There's 1200. Something like 1200 inmates at May 1. And

1444
01:47:03,579 --> 01:47:08,516
Banya is huge in and of itself. So. It's a

1445
01:47:08,516 --> 01:47:12,431
very complicated issue. Thank you, Chief. Appreciate it. I actually

1446
01:47:12,431 --> 01:47:16,071
suggested that the OPP should do all provincial correctional facilities.

1447
01:47:16,071 --> 01:47:22,243
And that hasn't taken up on that yet. Cancer, Albano.

1448
01:47:25,949 --> 01:47:28,029
Thank you very much, Madam Mayor. Through you to the

1449
01:47:28,029 --> 01:47:31,349
chief and the superintendent and the inspector. Thank you for

1450
01:47:31,349 --> 01:47:34,709
being here. You provided a lot of information, last statistics

1451
01:47:34,709 --> 01:47:39,979
and so on. I'm particularly interested in. You talked about

1452
01:47:39,979 --> 01:47:46,439
online hate crimes and so on. I'm just wondering. What

1453
01:47:46,439 --> 01:47:51,465
kind of difficulties do you have with social media? Companies

1454
01:47:51,465 --> 01:47:56,225
bringing down posts and going after them and resolving. I

1455
01:47:56,225 --> 01:47:58,825
can't imagine that it would. Be like an easy task

1456
01:47:58,825 --> 01:48:02,942
to do that. I'm just wondering. What some of the

1457
01:48:02,942 --> 01:48:05,502
things that you're facing, the difficulties that you're faced dealing

1458
01:48:05,502 --> 01:48:09,382
with those types of crimes. Yeah, it's really sort of

1459
01:48:09,382 --> 01:48:16,212
a multifaceted. Area. Of a number of issues. So, for

1460
01:48:16,212 --> 01:48:19,892
one, social media becomes complicated or the Internet becomes complicated.

1461
01:48:21,256 --> 01:48:22,936
Because what is a crime or what isn't a crime

1462
01:48:22,936 --> 01:48:25,496
is very technical when it comes to the criminal code.

1463
01:48:27,132 --> 01:48:31,412
So the actual hate crime, if it's absent of an

1464
01:48:31,412 --> 01:48:34,892
assault or a threatening death or something else along with

1465
01:48:34,892 --> 01:48:38,299
it. Is not necessarily a crime. So then we're limited

1466
01:48:38,299 --> 01:48:40,059
on what we can do as far as search warrants

1467
01:48:40,059 --> 01:48:44,792
and types of things. Some social media platforms are more

1468
01:48:44,792 --> 01:48:47,712
helpful when it comes to police investigations. We still need

1469
01:48:47,712 --> 01:48:53,232
to do some form. Of jurisprudence, official judicial approval for

1470
01:48:53,232 --> 01:48:55,872
us to do some things because of privacy laws in

1471
01:48:55,872 --> 01:48:59,242
Canada, which. Are probably even stronger than they need to

1472
01:48:59,242 --> 01:49:02,901
be, or should be, in my opinion. So it can

1473
01:49:02,901 --> 01:49:06,262
be complicated. But we do get a fair bit of.

1474
01:49:08,289 --> 01:49:12,766
Cooperation. From the major providers when it comes to technical

1475
01:49:12,766 --> 01:49:18,230
investigations. But I think there's also a shortage. Of laws

1476
01:49:18,230 --> 01:49:21,590
or legislation when it comes to what I think, and

1477
01:49:21,590 --> 01:49:24,070
I'm going to speak on. I think it's tomorrow night.

1478
01:49:25,425 --> 01:49:29,983
On an online event about hate crime. And while right

1479
01:49:29,983 --> 01:49:32,063
now we just have the criminal code, and it is

1480
01:49:32,063 --> 01:49:36,143
a crime or it isn't. A crime. And provincially. We

1481
01:49:36,143 --> 01:49:38,543
have the Highway Traffic act, which isn't criminal, it's other

1482
01:49:38,543 --> 01:49:40,983
things, and we have the liquor License act and the

1483
01:49:40,983 --> 01:49:44,183
trespass the Property act, and I think there might be

1484
01:49:44,183 --> 01:49:47,023
a time in the not too distant future, we should

1485
01:49:47,023 --> 01:49:50,703
look at some sort of provincial hate crime. Or hate

1486
01:49:50,703 --> 01:49:55,619
legislation. So other things would become some form of an

1487
01:49:55,619 --> 01:50:00,019
offense, at least for enforcement purposes, which are short. Of

1488
01:50:00,019 --> 01:50:04,719
someone having to be assaulted or threatened or injured. But

1489
01:50:04,719 --> 01:50:09,448
that's a whole different level of. Legislation that might be

1490
01:50:09,448 --> 01:50:13,716
possible. So the short answer is yes. These investigations are

1491
01:50:13,716 --> 01:50:19,738
complicated. And there's a lot of different. Well. There's even

1492
01:50:19,738 --> 01:50:23,858
a change federally when it's now more difficult for us

1493
01:50:23,858 --> 01:50:28,817
to come. Up with an IP address for someone. When

1494
01:50:28,817 --> 01:50:33,497
they're dealing with situations like human trafficking or child pornography

1495
01:50:33,497 --> 01:50:37,297
because of the right to privacy, and the IP addresses

1496
01:50:37,297 --> 01:50:41,177
were never that level of privacy before. So if you

1497
01:50:41,177 --> 01:50:46,187
can imagine. There are so many of those investigations. Headed

1498
01:50:46,187 --> 01:50:48,587
up to a degree by the rcmp and the opp

1499
01:50:48,587 --> 01:50:52,869
working. With. We have Internet child exploitation officers within our

1500
01:50:52,869 --> 01:50:57,917
regional investigative area. Who do those local child pornography types

1501
01:50:57,917 --> 01:51:01,477
of investigations, even those have become, I think, unnecessarily. Complicated.

1502
01:51:03,237 --> 01:51:06,157
Thank you very much. And it's a fluid sort of

1503
01:51:06,157 --> 01:51:10,430
problem, isn't it? I don't know if you all ever

1504
01:51:10,430 --> 01:51:13,790
catch up to where you want to be, but. I

1505
01:51:13,790 --> 01:51:18,270
appreciate all your efforts and thank you for addressing the

1506
01:51:18,270 --> 01:51:21,670
graffiti enact. And I know that the via was very

1507
01:51:21,670 --> 01:51:25,390
supportive and I was out along with Councillor Norris and

1508
01:51:25,390 --> 01:51:28,950
some of the other Councillor from ward one doing the

1509
01:51:28,950 --> 01:51:32,456
cleaning. Up, so we really appreciate that. Your reference. Thank

1510
01:51:32,456 --> 01:51:39,658
you very much. Well. I'm conscious of time, but I

1511
01:51:39,658 --> 01:51:42,298
do have a couple of questions I don't. See any

1512
01:51:42,298 --> 01:51:46,549
from any other counselors. And my questions have to do

1513
01:51:46,549 --> 01:51:49,672
with. A couple of areas that I don't think you

1514
01:51:49,672 --> 01:51:53,664
touched on. And I'm wondering if you can talk a

1515
01:51:53,664 --> 01:51:57,671
little bit about human trafficking. And kind of where that

1516
01:51:57,671 --> 01:51:59,551
is right now. It was in the news a lot.

1517
01:52:01,602 --> 01:52:05,395
I think about a year ago. And I'm wondering if

1518
01:52:05,395 --> 01:52:11,340
you can comment on the status. Of. That issue. Because

1519
01:52:11,340 --> 01:52:13,540
it's my understanding that it was a significant one in

1520
01:52:13,540 --> 01:52:17,238
Holton. Yes. No, absolutely. I know we've talked about it

1521
01:52:17,238 --> 01:52:21,038
a little bit at regional Councillor. Probably the last budget.

1522
01:52:22,289 --> 01:52:27,456
Human trafficking. Is one of the most horrendous crimes, I

1523
01:52:27,456 --> 01:52:31,696
think, that we can imagine, short of. Homicide and a

1524
01:52:31,696 --> 01:52:37,204
couple of others, maybe. But. It's complicated because the federal

1525
01:52:37,204 --> 01:52:40,764
government a few years ago made prostitution legal, which I

1526
01:52:40,764 --> 01:52:44,084
can see on certain levels. An individual's right to do

1527
01:52:44,084 --> 01:52:46,364
what they do if it is what they want to

1528
01:52:46,364 --> 01:52:49,244
do. But in the human trafficking, when it comes to

1529
01:52:49,244 --> 01:52:52,324
the prostitution side of human trafficking, because there's. Also a

1530
01:52:52,324 --> 01:52:58,292
labor side, but on the prostitution side of Ht. It's

1531
01:52:58,292 --> 01:53:05,128
incredibly complex. It's organized crime at its finest. It's extremely

1532
01:53:05,128 --> 01:53:12,518
profitable. I would hazard just say. Three to $500,000 per

1533
01:53:12,518 --> 01:53:16,560
year per. Victim that's forced to work in that industry.

1534
01:53:17,589 --> 01:53:21,069
Often against their will, but sometimes not knowing that it's

1535
01:53:21,069 --> 01:53:27,579
against their will because. The individuals, whether it's organized street

1536
01:53:27,579 --> 01:53:31,577
gang types of individuals or. Traditional organized crime are very

1537
01:53:31,577 --> 01:53:37,065
coercive. And how they manipulate young people who are vulnerable

1538
01:53:37,065 --> 01:53:40,985
to get them into that industry in the first place

1539
01:53:40,985 --> 01:53:44,842
and then they're moved around. From hotel to hotel with

1540
01:53:44,842 --> 01:53:47,602
limited resources on their own, so they really are unable

1541
01:53:47,602 --> 01:53:51,988
to leave. But often when our investigators encounter them and

1542
01:53:51,988 --> 01:53:57,828
are in a position. To help them, the individuals. Either.

1543
01:53:57,828 --> 01:54:01,068
Don't want to say something about their person that's handling

1544
01:54:01,068 --> 01:54:04,831
them because they really think they're friends? Or they're afraid

1545
01:54:04,831 --> 01:54:08,950
to in some circumstances, so. We are on the 401

1546
01:54:08,950 --> 01:54:13,150
on the QEW corridor here. All through Halton, we have

1547
01:54:13,150 --> 01:54:17,369
a multitude of hotels. Human trafficking I won't say is

1548
01:54:17,369 --> 01:54:19,489
going on at every hotel, but I'd be surprised if

1549
01:54:19,489 --> 01:54:23,676
it isn't. There might be one or two somewhere. But

1550
01:54:23,676 --> 01:54:27,147
it is a very prolific. Issue for us here in

1551
01:54:27,147 --> 01:54:33,058
Halton and across Ontario and Canada. Again, organized crime at

1552
01:54:33,058 --> 01:54:39,892
its highest levels, extremely profitable. Extremely dangerous. And risky for

1553
01:54:39,892 --> 01:54:44,869
those individuals that are in those situations. Sorry, I should

1554
01:54:44,869 --> 01:54:50,249
say. We do have. A very capable, full time human

1555
01:54:50,249 --> 01:54:54,769
trafficking unit that do nothing but human trafficking investigations, sometimes

1556
01:54:54,769 --> 01:54:59,818
proactively. Through social media and otherwise. Most of. These if

1557
01:54:59,818 --> 01:55:02,618
things are publicly advertised or on the Internet now, so

1558
01:55:02,618 --> 01:55:07,910
our investigators are able to intervene. Sometimes. Even sometimes do

1559
01:55:07,910 --> 01:55:10,350
more of an undercover type of operation into some of

1560
01:55:10,350 --> 01:55:17,775
these situations. We have arrested professional individuals. Including university professors

1561
01:55:17,775 --> 01:55:21,622
who have been trying to meet. With a young female

1562
01:55:21,622 --> 01:55:24,502
who they think is 15 years of age. I mean,

1563
01:55:24,502 --> 01:55:27,462
it is quite disturbing. And alarming. What's going on out

1564
01:55:27,462 --> 01:55:31,440
there? But our investigators are doing great work when it

1565
01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:34,240
comes to some of those situations. But it's, something that.

1566
01:55:35,823 --> 01:55:39,423
Other than being in every hotel every day and going

1567
01:55:39,423 --> 01:55:44,247
to every hotel room. It's so prevalent, it's very difficult

1568
01:55:44,247 --> 01:55:48,383
to address. Well, one of my questions. And I'm glad

1569
01:55:48,383 --> 01:55:53,508
to hear that you have a dedicated unit. That is

1570
01:55:53,508 --> 01:55:57,511
specifically looking at this. The other question I have is

1571
01:55:57,511 --> 01:56:05,884
regards innovate partner violence. And. I remember hearing that there

1572
01:56:05,884 --> 01:56:11,125
were many calls a day. That were being received. By

1573
01:56:11,125 --> 01:56:17,793
the force regarding innocent partner violence. And domestic abuse and

1574
01:56:17,793 --> 01:56:19,833
so forth, and I'm wondering if you could make a

1575
01:56:19,833 --> 01:56:25,560
comment on kind of the prevalence of that. And how

1576
01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:30,313
you're tackling it. Yeah. It is extremely prevalent as well.

1577
01:56:32,099 --> 01:56:34,979
I would say that it's on the rise from a

1578
01:56:34,979 --> 01:56:39,606
reported crime perspective. The difficulty with intimate partner violence. We

1579
01:56:39,606 --> 01:56:41,926
used to call it domestic violence. So we have now

1580
01:56:41,926 --> 01:56:45,926
an intimate partner violence unit full time. I think that

1581
01:56:45,926 --> 01:56:50,886
is 26 full time detectives who do nothing but specialize

1582
01:56:50,886 --> 01:56:56,726
in intimate partner violence situations, so assaults between spouses, common

1583
01:56:56,726 --> 01:57:01,250
law. Partners, whatever the intimate situation relationship may be. So

1584
01:57:01,250 --> 01:57:03,690
when the frontline officers here in Halton Hills. Go to

1585
01:57:03,690 --> 01:57:07,450
a domestic violence situation, they will intervene. Make sure someone.

1586
01:57:08,945 --> 01:57:12,665
Isn't at further risk. But then the experts from this

1587
01:57:12,665 --> 01:57:16,185
intimate partner unit will come and. Take over the investigation.

1588
01:57:17,877 --> 01:57:21,077
Lay the charges and see it through bale hangings or

1589
01:57:21,077 --> 01:57:25,357
whatever happens. The complication with intimate partner. Violence is. It's

1590
01:57:25,357 --> 01:57:30,749
so underreported, as is human trafficking. So you may hear

1591
01:57:30,749 --> 01:57:33,655
me make this point on Wednesday. But I have with

1592
01:57:33,655 --> 01:57:40,355
our police services board. Ironically. I would rather see. Increased

1593
01:57:40,355 --> 01:57:44,426
numbers in some of those areas because. Unless they're reported

1594
01:57:44,426 --> 01:57:47,372
to us, we're not going to know about them. So

1595
01:57:47,372 --> 01:57:50,212
I use drug investigations as an example. Unless we're doing

1596
01:57:50,212 --> 01:57:53,612
an investigation and find drugs. Or find someone trafficking in

1597
01:57:53,612 --> 01:57:58,372
drugs. There is no offense that's reported in human trafficking.

1598
01:57:58,372 --> 01:58:01,452
Unless. Something's reported directly to us, which is rare, or

1599
01:58:01,452 --> 01:58:06,584
we uncover a victim in that situation. There is no

1600
01:58:06,584 --> 01:58:09,904
human trafficking occurrence, but there's hundreds of them going on.

1601
01:58:11,443 --> 01:58:15,843
The intimate partner. Violence. I know. Estimates are violence happens

1602
01:58:15,843 --> 01:58:19,083
seven to ten times before in most cases. The female

1603
01:58:19,083 --> 01:58:22,803
partner reports that to the police, so we would rather

1604
01:58:22,803 --> 01:58:27,005
see those reports go up. Which would look like we're

1605
01:58:27,005 --> 01:58:31,205
having an increased crime trend, but we'd actually be helping

1606
01:58:31,205 --> 01:58:35,325
more victims. So we've said purposely. The police services board

1607
01:58:35,325 --> 01:58:39,536
and the strategic plan. While we say. We want to

1608
01:58:39,536 --> 01:58:42,896
lower autofafter. We want to decrease auto theft by 50%

1609
01:58:42,896 --> 01:58:45,776
in the next four years, which the federal government should

1610
01:58:45,776 --> 01:58:49,480
have to do on their own. We actually may want

1611
01:58:49,480 --> 01:58:52,920
to see an increase in the reported intimate partner violence

1612
01:58:52,920 --> 01:58:57,040
incidents because we know the reality is eight to ten

1613
01:58:57,040 --> 01:59:00,670
times higher, so. We want to intervene in more of

1614
01:59:00,670 --> 01:59:06,701
those situations sooner, so they are very complicated. More often,

1615
01:59:06,701 --> 01:59:08,261
I would say in the last couple of years or

1616
01:59:08,261 --> 01:59:12,951
a few years, certainly. I think more people. We're at

1617
01:59:12,951 --> 01:59:15,991
least holding more people for bail hearings and whether that

1618
01:59:15,991 --> 01:59:19,591
means the person's. Kept in custody or they're released with

1619
01:59:19,591 --> 01:59:26,039
conditions. In addition to the. 26 intimate partner violence investigators

1620
01:59:26,039 --> 01:59:29,994
we have risk. Mitigation teams. In each of our districts

1621
01:59:29,994 --> 01:59:32,634
who are going out and purposely looking for people who

1622
01:59:32,634 --> 01:59:37,634
are contravening or their conditions that they're released on and

1623
01:59:37,634 --> 01:59:40,434
then arresting them again to try to hold them accountable

1624
01:59:40,434 --> 01:59:42,754
to what the courts are trying to tell them they

1625
01:59:42,754 --> 01:59:45,154
have to do or not. Do. I think that's a

1626
01:59:45,154 --> 01:59:50,219
tremendous proactive initiative from our investigative areas, so. It's very

1627
01:59:50,219 --> 01:59:54,234
multifaceted. And Ipvu will always be complicated. And there's so

1628
01:59:54,234 --> 01:59:59,959
many reasons. Why? One partner may be so reliant, dependent,

1629
01:59:59,959 --> 02:00:05,251
or fearful of the perpetrator that it's underreported. I think

1630
02:00:05,251 --> 02:00:08,091
I heard there are ten calls a day or something

1631
02:00:08,091 --> 02:00:11,331
in that neighborhood, I would think. It's probably that much

1632
02:00:11,331 --> 02:00:20,291
or more. Across. The region. Yeah. Okay, so that's a

1633
02:00:20,291 --> 02:00:24,631
lot. All right. Thank you for that. Are there any

1634
02:00:24,631 --> 02:00:31,141
further? Comments. Okay. Well, it was worth the drive. Thank

1635
02:00:31,141 --> 02:00:33,860
you. It always used to be worth the drive to

1636
02:00:33,860 --> 02:00:36,459
act in. Where my uncle owned the restaurant, but I'm

1637
02:00:36,459 --> 02:00:39,754
just kidding. It's always a pleasure to be here. Thank

1638
02:00:39,754 --> 02:00:42,114
you very much. Thank you very much for coming in.

1639
02:00:48,776 --> 02:00:54,595
Okay. Well, we have another delegation. People are very patient.

1640
02:00:55,900 --> 02:01:01,177
The commentary is always interesting. But. It makes for a

1641
02:01:01,177 --> 02:01:08,313
long meeting. We have a delegation from Alex Herriman. I

1642
02:01:08,313 --> 02:01:15,112
think perhaps via zoom. Regarding provincial overreach into municipal decision

1643
02:01:15,112 --> 02:01:23,145
making. Can everyone hear me? Yes.

1644
02:01:25,259 --> 02:01:28,866
Alexis. Yes. All right. Thank you very much. And thank

1645
02:01:28,866 --> 02:01:32,354
you for your patience. We were able to hear you,

1646
02:01:32,354 --> 02:01:37,754
so go ahead. Wonderful. Good afternoon. Madam mayor and councillor,

1647
02:01:37,754 --> 02:01:40,714
thank you for allowing me to speak today. My name

1648
02:01:40,714 --> 02:01:45,220
is Alexis Harriman. And I grew up in Georgetown. After

1649
02:01:45,220 --> 02:01:49,300
a university, I moved to Toronto in roughly 2008 and

1650
02:01:49,300 --> 02:01:53,540
worked at a downtown hospital, always taking the TTC as

1651
02:01:53,540 --> 02:01:57,196
biking at that time had never crossed my mind. In

1652
02:01:57,196 --> 02:02:01,236
2016, I settled down on Dublin line in Acton and

1653
02:02:01,236 --> 02:02:03,836
I'm lucky to work fairly close to home in the

1654
02:02:03,836 --> 02:02:08,267
great town of Georgetown where I grew up. My parents

1655
02:02:08,267 --> 02:02:12,458
didn't ride bikes very much. They fully prioritized driving around

1656
02:02:12,458 --> 02:02:16,298
town, and so biking sort of slipped away from me

1657
02:02:16,298 --> 02:02:19,498
when my first son was born roughly seven years ago.

1658
02:02:19,498 --> 02:02:21,338
Before I knew it, I was teaching him to ride

1659
02:02:21,338 --> 02:02:24,486
a bike. Kyle learned to ride a bike at three

1660
02:02:24,486 --> 02:02:27,233
years old. And at the age of three, I actually

1661
02:02:27,233 --> 02:02:29,673
wrote 5 km with my husband and I at point.

1662
02:02:29,673 --> 02:02:34,473
Peeley national park. People ride bikes for different reasons, including

1663
02:02:34,473 --> 02:02:39,584
exercise, sports, leisure and commuting. I have experienced all of

1664
02:02:39,584 --> 02:02:42,184
those, but I have to say, the one I enjoy

1665
02:02:42,184 --> 02:02:45,264
the most is riding a bike for commuting and running

1666
02:02:45,264 --> 02:02:48,973
errands. When I drive to work, it takes me 15

1667
02:02:48,973 --> 02:02:52,533
minutes. My way home is roughly the same when I

1668
02:02:52,533 --> 02:02:56,533
ride my bike to work from Acton to Georgetown. It

1669
02:02:56,533 --> 02:03:00,053
takes me 35 minutes, and then roughly 50 minutes to

1670
02:03:00,053 --> 02:03:04,293
get home as it's all uphill. So that's almost an

1671
02:03:04,293 --> 02:03:08,428
extra hour out of my day. Used for comm. Commuting.

1672
02:03:08,572 --> 02:03:11,132
While some of you might be thinking about all of

1673
02:03:11,132 --> 02:03:14,772
the time that I lost by riding my bike or

1674
02:03:14,772 --> 02:03:17,252
the things that I didn't get done because I made

1675
02:03:17,252 --> 02:03:19,932
the choice to ride. A bike. I look at it

1676
02:03:19,932 --> 02:03:24,081
differently. When I show up at work after the morning

1677
02:03:24,081 --> 02:03:28,361
bike ride, I really can't begin to describe the feelings,

1678
02:03:28,361 --> 02:03:34,610
but I will try. It's joy, love, connection. Connection to

1679
02:03:34,610 --> 02:03:38,450
the earth, connection to myself, my mind and my body.

1680
02:03:38,450 --> 02:03:41,490
Connection to others. As bikers wave at each other, they

1681
02:03:41,490 --> 02:03:45,369
say hello and chat with one another. I find myself

1682
02:03:45,369 --> 02:03:48,169
frequently saying thank you. And thank you for the choice

1683
02:03:48,169 --> 02:03:51,257
that I had to ride. My bike today. Sometimes when

1684
02:03:51,257 --> 02:03:55,457
I'm riding against the wind uphill on 22nd side road,

1685
02:03:55,457 --> 02:03:58,697
I think there are so many people and patients that

1686
02:03:58,697 --> 02:04:02,217
I know that would probably give anything to trade spots

1687
02:04:02,217 --> 02:04:06,433
with. Me right now if they had the choice. I

1688
02:04:06,433 --> 02:04:09,793
feel connected to the creatures and the biodiversity that we

1689
02:04:09,793 --> 02:04:12,153
share this town with, and I show up to work

1690
02:04:12,153 --> 02:04:16,033
with a smile on my face, rejuvenated and relaxed and

1691
02:04:16,033 --> 02:04:20,313
ready to take on the day. My employer has also

1692
02:04:20,313 --> 02:04:23,273
allowed me to modify my work hours in order to

1693
02:04:23,273 --> 02:04:26,873
accommodate riding a bike to work, which is huge. Both

1694
02:04:26,873 --> 02:04:31,033
of my sons have asthma symptoms, and their respiratory symptoms

1695
02:04:31,033 --> 02:04:36,724
are aggravated. By viruses and the environment and knowing that

1696
02:04:36,724 --> 02:04:39,524
I am reducing emissions by riding a bike as a

1697
02:04:39,524 --> 02:04:42,764
source of pride. In addition to saving money on gas.

1698
02:04:44,239 --> 02:04:47,639
My kids love riding their bikes to school. However, our

1699
02:04:47,639 --> 02:04:50,759
road does not have a bike lane or a very

1700
02:04:50,759 --> 02:04:55,813
good shoulder, which worries me. In terms of safety, I

1701
02:04:55,813 --> 02:04:59,533
feel comfortable on the road with my bike lights, reflective

1702
02:04:59,533 --> 02:05:04,810
vest, helmet and staying as far over as possible. Unfortunately,

1703
02:05:04,810 --> 02:05:06,690
there are so few bike lanes that my commute isn't

1704
02:05:06,690 --> 02:05:10,734
really benefiting from. Them. Aside from the lanes on Queen

1705
02:05:10,734 --> 02:05:14,734
and Churchill that eventually disappear, turning into the treacherous Glen

1706
02:05:14,734 --> 02:05:19,973
Lawson Road my route is roughly 80% unmarked. Bike lanes

1707
02:05:19,973 --> 02:05:24,293
bring more structure, less likelihood of someone biking out in

1708
02:05:24,293 --> 02:05:29,331
traffic or riding two and three. Across. Green paint and

1709
02:05:29,331 --> 02:05:32,451
more visual markers of the bike lane would be better

1710
02:05:32,451 --> 02:05:37,549
as well as actual barricades. I would absolutely love to

1711
02:05:37,549 --> 02:05:40,749
see more people running errands on their bikes. However we

1712
02:05:40,749 --> 02:05:44,389
live in or believe that we live in a time

1713
02:05:44,389 --> 02:05:49,041
where cars are prioritized. And have difficulty seeing the value

1714
02:05:49,041 --> 02:05:52,241
added as we are blinded by the extra time or

1715
02:05:52,241 --> 02:05:54,521
time taken. Away from our busy day in order to

1716
02:05:54,521 --> 02:05:58,884
bike instead of drive. With regards to the limitations set

1717
02:05:58,884 --> 02:06:03,764
forth in bill two one two regarding provincial approval prior

1718
02:06:03,764 --> 02:06:06,604
to impacting car lanes with bike lanes. I am very

1719
02:06:06,604 --> 02:06:11,204
hopeful that you are respected elected officials will honor and

1720
02:06:11,204 --> 02:06:15,564
acknowledge the importance of biking and bike lanes and continue.

1721
02:06:17,367 --> 02:06:21,367
To build them into current and future urban plans. I

1722
02:06:21,367 --> 02:06:24,287
hope that cycling will be valued as an essential and

1723
02:06:24,287 --> 02:06:29,745
preferred method of commuting and transportation. Within town in order

1724
02:06:29,745 --> 02:06:34,065
to give people safe, affordable and fun options for running

1725
02:06:34,065 --> 02:06:37,825
errands going to school, going to work and also leisure.

1726
02:06:39,459 --> 02:06:41,739
I hope you will advocate for these options in the

1727
02:06:41,739 --> 02:06:46,139
face of the province's plan to remove some of the

1728
02:06:46,139 --> 02:06:51,219
Toronto bike lanes and override municipal planning decisions. I fear

1729
02:06:51,219 --> 02:06:55,754
Toronto is only the beginning. With all due respect, people

1730
02:06:55,754 --> 02:07:00,674
that are injured or killed while biking are often blamed.

1731
02:07:00,674 --> 02:07:04,194
They're blamed for being on a busy road riding during

1732
02:07:04,194 --> 02:07:08,794
what others think are unsafe conditions. However, I think it's

1733
02:07:08,794 --> 02:07:13,402
a result. Of poor urban planning and dying while riding

1734
02:07:13,402 --> 02:07:16,322
a bike should be a very rare or never event.

1735
02:07:17,819 --> 02:07:21,299
Again, thank you sincerely for your time today. I hope

1736
02:07:21,299 --> 02:07:22,979
that you all have a moment to hop. On a

1737
02:07:22,979 --> 02:07:26,139
bicycle the next time you are running errands and let

1738
02:07:26,139 --> 02:07:30,536
me know about your experience. Thank you. Thank you very

1739
02:07:30,536 --> 02:07:34,096
much. Ms. Herriman, are there members of Councillor who have

1740
02:07:34,096 --> 02:07:41,839
a question or comment? For the delegation, Councillor Rzinski. Thank

1741
02:07:41,839 --> 02:07:44,199
you, Madam Mayor, through you to the delegation. Thank you,

1742
02:07:44,199 --> 02:07:49,605
Ms. Herriman, for sharing your personal experiences. First, I was

1743
02:07:49,605 --> 02:07:52,645
wondering, what percentage of the time would you say you

1744
02:07:52,645 --> 02:07:57,715
commute to? Work by biking in a year, a percentage

1745
02:07:57,715 --> 02:08:03,267
of right now. With my schedule. It's about one to

1746
02:08:03,267 --> 02:08:08,210
two times per week. I also invested in winter biking

1747
02:08:08,210 --> 02:08:11,290
gear. So the goal. The goal is five days a

1748
02:08:11,290 --> 02:08:17,977
week. But I definitely, on the weekends, do my. Errands.

1749
02:08:19,260 --> 02:08:22,696
I prefer to do my errands on a bike. That's

1750
02:08:22,696 --> 02:08:26,216
helpful. Thank you. And then what percentage of your coworkers

1751
02:08:26,216 --> 02:08:32,882
you think commute? To work. I do ride with one

1752
02:08:32,882 --> 02:08:36,082
other coworker that I know of, and I know of

1753
02:08:36,082 --> 02:08:40,387
another. Nurse that rides a bike too. I think it's

1754
02:08:40,387 --> 02:08:44,896
not many right now. I appreciate that, and you are

1755
02:08:44,896 --> 02:08:47,776
an anomaly. And again, kudos to you for doing that.

1756
02:08:47,776 --> 02:08:49,816
It's fantastic. And I think it is important that we

1757
02:08:49,816 --> 02:08:52,536
have good shoulders on our roads, not just for bikers,

1758
02:08:52,536 --> 02:08:56,416
but for walkers, for farmers. It's important to think about

1759
02:08:56,416 --> 02:08:58,176
our infrastructure. In that way and to build it well.

1760
02:09:01,378 --> 02:09:04,223
But when we look at this motion, And this bill.

1761
02:09:05,359 --> 02:09:09,084
It's about restricting. A lane of vacator traffic specific to

1762
02:09:09,084 --> 02:09:13,444
that instance. And you're saying that most people don't commute

1763
02:09:13,444 --> 02:09:17,257
that way. But you want to restrict their mobility. So

1764
02:09:17,257 --> 02:09:21,312
I think there's a disconnect there between. Allowing for biking

1765
02:09:21,312 --> 02:09:23,592
for those that want to do it, and that's fantastic

1766
02:09:23,592 --> 02:09:27,900
that you do. But. Actually increasing, gridlock increasing. And we

1767
02:09:27,900 --> 02:09:31,797
have to, as counselors. And respected decision makers need to

1768
02:09:31,797 --> 02:09:36,582
look at the whole community. And not individuals again as

1769
02:09:36,582 --> 02:09:40,542
commendable others like yourself that are more of an anomaly.

1770
02:09:40,542 --> 02:09:42,582
I don't know if you have anything. Any thoughts on

1771
02:09:42,582 --> 02:09:50,222
that? I definitely recognize that. Not many people ride a

1772
02:09:50,222 --> 02:09:59,121
bike in Georgetown. And in Acton there are few. I

1773
02:09:59,121 --> 02:10:06,589
also acknowledge that. The way our community is designed. It

1774
02:10:06,589 --> 02:10:11,789
is time consuming to consider riding a bike the way

1775
02:10:11,789 --> 02:10:14,469
that it's designed. I don't know all the reasons why

1776
02:10:14,469 --> 02:10:17,109
people aren't riding a bike. It could be safety. It

1777
02:10:17,109 --> 02:10:23,846
could be time. But if. Those issues were addressed, I

1778
02:10:23,846 --> 02:10:27,246
would imagine more people would be riding a bike. I

1779
02:10:27,246 --> 02:10:31,777
don't. Know that we have to prioritize. Cars for everything.

1780
02:10:33,919 --> 02:10:37,479
I again think it's good to take safety considerations and

1781
02:10:37,479 --> 02:10:39,639
making it possible for people like you to do what

1782
02:10:39,639 --> 02:10:42,319
you want to do, but at the expense of Hicula.

1783
02:10:42,319 --> 02:10:44,799
Traffic is what this bill is looking at, and that's

1784
02:10:44,799 --> 02:10:47,199
the difference, in my opinion. But thank you for coming

1785
02:10:47,199 --> 02:10:55,131
in for your answers. Okay. Thank you. Are there. Any

1786
02:10:55,131 --> 02:11:00,054
other Councillor fogle. Good question of the delegation. Yes, thank

1787
02:11:00,054 --> 02:11:04,007
you. I hope she's not gone. No, I'm still here.

1788
02:11:07,306 --> 02:11:12,273
Okay, well, thanks for being here. And for sharing with

1789
02:11:12,273 --> 02:11:16,926
us. Your love of getting to work by a bike,

1790
02:11:16,926 --> 02:11:21,134
that's fantastic. The feeling that you have and the health

1791
02:11:21,134 --> 02:11:25,033
benefits and so on, that you're probably getting. So, yes,

1792
02:11:25,033 --> 02:11:29,604
this bill is about for me, anyway. About. Who should

1793
02:11:29,604 --> 02:11:35,715
be making the decisions. About which. Lanes. Have the bike

1794
02:11:35,715 --> 02:11:37,435
lanes or whether we're going to have a lane of

1795
02:11:37,435 --> 02:11:40,763
traffic or not. Which level of government do you think

1796
02:11:40,763 --> 02:11:45,980
is best suited for making those decisions? Are you asking

1797
02:11:45,980 --> 02:11:51,388
me? Yeah. What do you think? Should it be the

1798
02:11:51,388 --> 02:11:54,508
province that decides on the streets? Or maybe the local

1799
02:11:54,508 --> 02:12:02,415
municipality. Local municipality. Absolutely. Okay. Thank you for that. Okay.

1800
02:12:06,755 --> 02:12:09,766
So thank you very much. Ms. Herriman, I don't see.

1801
02:12:11,294 --> 02:12:14,438
Any other members of Councillor who have a question? But

1802
02:12:14,438 --> 02:12:19,901
I do recognize that. You were speaking to an item

1803
02:12:19,901 --> 02:12:24,511
that. Is identified as being later on in our agenda.

1804
02:12:24,511 --> 02:12:27,951
And I would ask members of Councillor if we could

1805
02:12:27,951 --> 02:12:32,551
waive the rules in order to address the resolution that

1806
02:12:32,551 --> 02:12:38,445
is brought forward. Councillor Brzinski. All in favor? That's carried.

1807
02:12:38,445 --> 02:12:45,102
Thank you. So. We'll now then, jump. To a resolution

1808
02:12:45,102 --> 02:12:48,582
that has been moved by Councillor Fogel and seconded by

1809
02:12:48,582 --> 02:12:57,082
Councillor Hilson. Regarding provincial overreach into municipal decision making. And

1810
02:12:57,082 --> 02:13:00,282
I'll read it to you. It says, whereas the government

1811
02:13:00,282 --> 02:13:06,442
of Ontario has introduced legislation that would require municipalities to

1812
02:13:06,442 --> 02:13:11,802
apply for and receive approval from the province before the

1813
02:13:11,802 --> 02:13:16,562
installation of new cycling lanes where the installation would cause.

1814
02:13:17,245 --> 02:13:22,148
The reduction of vehicle traffic lanes. And whereas part of

1815
02:13:22,148 --> 02:13:27,428
this approval, municipalities would be required to demonstrate that the

1816
02:13:27,428 --> 02:13:32,668
proposed cycling lanes will not have a negative impact on

1817
02:13:32,668 --> 02:13:37,422
vehicle traffic. And whereas the town of Holton Hills has.

1818
02:13:39,276 --> 02:13:43,596
An approved active transportation master plan that was developed with

1819
02:13:43,596 --> 02:13:52,471
significant public consultation. And expert transportation expertise. And whereas. The

1820
02:13:52,471 --> 02:13:58,638
Holton Hills Active Transportation Master plan does not recommend. Converting

1821
02:13:58,638 --> 02:14:03,619
any lanes of traffic to cycling lanes. We still reserve

1822
02:14:03,619 --> 02:14:09,339
the responsibilities to make future traffic decisions based on local

1823
02:14:09,339 --> 02:14:16,398
input from residents and local. Circumstances without seeking permission from

1824
02:14:16,398 --> 02:14:22,588
the province. And whereas the association of Municipalities of Ontario

1825
02:14:22,588 --> 02:14:28,108
is urging the province to respect local decision making, when

1826
02:14:28,108 --> 02:14:34,999
considering transportation improvements. And whereas Amo has indicated there has

1827
02:14:34,999 --> 02:14:41,524
been no indication of local. Consultation in the province's arbitrary

1828
02:14:41,524 --> 02:14:46,124
decision to remove bike lanes in the city of Toronto.

1829
02:14:47,673 --> 02:14:50,313
Therefore, be it resolved that the Councillor for the Town

1830
02:14:50,313 --> 02:14:56,233
of Halton Hills expresses its support for. Amos position, urging

1831
02:14:56,233 --> 02:15:02,343
the province to respect local decision making and jurisdiction. As

1832
02:15:02,343 --> 02:15:05,992
set out in the municipal act. And further, that the

1833
02:15:05,992 --> 02:15:09,152
Councillor of the town of Holtson Hills does not support

1834
02:15:09,152 --> 02:15:14,152
the provisions in Bill 212 with respect to the installation

1835
02:15:14,152 --> 02:15:19,358
of cycling lanes. And further, that this resolution. Be circulated

1836
02:15:19,358 --> 02:15:25,358
to Premier Ford, Minister of Transportation Prabmi Ting, MPp Ted

1837
02:15:25,358 --> 02:15:29,918
Arnett Leaders of the opposition parties and the association of

1838
02:15:29,918 --> 02:15:35,620
Municipalities of Ontario. Councilor Frogle, do you have some comments?

1839
02:15:37,184 --> 02:15:41,667
Yes. Thank you very much. So this bill 212 the

1840
02:15:41,667 --> 02:15:45,908
reducing gridlock and saving you time. At it is a

1841
02:15:45,908 --> 02:15:54,436
proposal at this stage. And input. Is still. Invited until

1842
02:15:54,436 --> 02:15:58,269
pretty much the end of the month. So. We are

1843
02:15:58,269 --> 02:16:04,317
invited to make comments about. The bill. And so I

1844
02:16:04,317 --> 02:16:09,724
think we should. So this proposed act is a significant

1845
02:16:09,724 --> 02:16:13,684
overreach into municipal jurisdiction. Amo said as much in its

1846
02:16:13,684 --> 02:16:18,724
statement, although the act has been amended to also target

1847
02:16:18,724 --> 02:16:23,729
three Toronto streets. It requires all municipalities to seek permission

1848
02:16:23,729 --> 02:16:27,929
to convert a vehicle lane to provide safe cycling infrastructure.

1849
02:16:29,502 --> 02:16:32,182
For a premier who hates red tape, it's hard to

1850
02:16:32,182 --> 02:16:34,702
understand why it would add this. Particular red tape to

1851
02:16:34,702 --> 02:16:38,876
our process. It comes with a requirement to prove that

1852
02:16:38,876 --> 02:16:41,676
removal of a lane will not cause delays in traffic.

1853
02:16:43,202 --> 02:16:46,442
How exactly does one do that in advance of installing

1854
02:16:46,442 --> 02:16:50,952
the bike lane? So for a government that isn't interested

1855
02:16:50,952 --> 02:16:53,312
in data, the studying of an issue in advance. Of

1856
02:16:53,312 --> 02:16:56,112
a decision. This is pretty surprising, and it raises the

1857
02:16:56,112 --> 02:16:58,672
question of whether any amount of data would make any

1858
02:16:58,672 --> 02:17:03,673
difference in their decision making. So in my mind, it's

1859
02:17:03,673 --> 02:17:07,553
quite likely that it wouldn't matter what data we came

1860
02:17:07,553 --> 02:17:12,274
back with it would be turned down. It's particularly unacceptable.

1861
02:17:12,274 --> 02:17:15,554
There's no proof whatsoever to back up the claim that

1862
02:17:15,554 --> 02:17:18,394
the bike lanes on Bluer Street. University Avenue in Young

1863
02:17:18,394 --> 02:17:24,496
street cause gridlock. Toronto is full of gridlock, whether it's

1864
02:17:24,496 --> 02:17:28,056
streets, whether there's a bike lane. Or not. And there

1865
02:17:28,056 --> 02:17:32,056
is evidence that separating cyclists from the traffic is not

1866
02:17:32,056 --> 02:17:35,256
only safer for the cyclists, but also helps the flow

1867
02:17:35,256 --> 02:17:40,244
of traffic. This is proven on Lori Avenue in Ottawa

1868
02:17:40,244 --> 02:17:44,692
for a pilot on Laurier. They measured before. The pilot

1869
02:17:44,692 --> 02:17:48,812
on Lori Avenue. They measured travel times before and after

1870
02:17:48,812 --> 02:17:52,452
the installation of the bike lanes. And found improvement in

1871
02:17:52,452 --> 02:17:56,452
travel times when the bike lanes were installed. And with

1872
02:17:56,452 --> 02:18:00,572
that data, Ottawa made the separated bike lanes permanent, and

1873
02:18:00,572 --> 02:18:04,052
businesses along the route also found a positive impact on

1874
02:18:04,052 --> 02:18:06,833
their business. Businesses, even though they didn't expect it before

1875
02:18:06,833 --> 02:18:11,123
they were there. Likewise, Toronto has generated years of study

1876
02:18:11,123 --> 02:18:14,203
on these roads. Before investing in bike lanes, they invested

1877
02:18:14,203 --> 02:18:17,363
in the bike lanes to provide a safe cycling network

1878
02:18:17,363 --> 02:18:21,883
and to save lives. Toronto has a car problem, not

1879
02:18:21,883 --> 02:18:25,805
a bike problem. As more development occurs in the core,

1880
02:18:25,805 --> 02:18:28,125
it will attract more people who need to commute. One

1881
02:18:28,125 --> 02:18:30,445
way or the other. But there's no way to widen

1882
02:18:30,445 --> 02:18:33,925
any of those roads. So the city is rightfully encouraging

1883
02:18:33,925 --> 02:18:38,198
more commuters to choose cycling for their commute. Something that

1884
02:18:38,198 --> 02:18:41,918
isn't taken into consideration is that in Ontario it is

1885
02:18:41,918 --> 02:18:47,865
mandatory to leave a meter space. Between. A passing vehicle

1886
02:18:47,865 --> 02:18:52,239
and a bike. That means in Toronto, where there are

1887
02:18:52,239 --> 02:18:55,759
no shoulders on the roads, wherever there is a bike

1888
02:18:55,759 --> 02:18:59,665
in a lane, they take up the whole lane. Now

1889
02:18:59,665 --> 02:19:02,025
the vehicles have to move over to the adjacent lane.

1890
02:19:03,587 --> 02:19:06,067
Now there are hundreds of bikes every day on these

1891
02:19:06,067 --> 02:19:10,467
same roads. Mixing of bikes and vehicles flows. Traffic and

1892
02:19:10,467 --> 02:19:15,767
tragically, sometimes causes loss of life. Although the premier claims

1893
02:19:15,767 --> 02:19:20,407
that only 1.2% of torontonian cycle that number wherever it

1894
02:19:20,407 --> 02:19:27,260
came from is wrong and very misleading. A 2019 survey

1895
02:19:27,260 --> 02:19:30,940
showed that 10% of Torontonians spiked to work and another

1896
02:19:30,940 --> 02:19:35,918
25% reported cycling for other reasons. Other cities have chosen

1897
02:19:35,918 --> 02:19:38,918
to invest in cycling with the twin goals of offering

1898
02:19:38,918 --> 02:19:41,358
a safe alternative to driving and to clean up the

1899
02:19:41,358 --> 02:19:43,558
air. And you can look to Montreal or New York

1900
02:19:43,558 --> 02:19:49,209
City as prime examples. In 2020, Mount Sinai hospital's chief

1901
02:19:49,209 --> 02:19:53,929
executive officer told the city that 63% of his staff

1902
02:19:53,929 --> 02:19:58,049
bike to work. He and other downtown hospital leaders have

1903
02:19:58,049 --> 02:20:02,698
been strong advocates to have. The bike infrastructure to make

1904
02:20:02,698 --> 02:20:06,603
their staff commute safer. The truth is that cycling is

1905
02:20:06,603 --> 02:20:10,523
growing. With the investment in safer cycling infrastructure. It's another

1906
02:20:10,523 --> 02:20:13,483
case of build it and they will come. Mayor Chow

1907
02:20:13,483 --> 02:20:17,403
recently remarked in an interview that Toronto's. Bike share program

1908
02:20:17,403 --> 02:20:23,694
had 665,000 trips. In 2015. This year it is on

1909
02:20:23,694 --> 02:20:28,117
track to hit 6 million trips. It cost the city

1910
02:20:28,117 --> 02:20:31,317
of Toronto millions of dollars to install these bike lanes.

1911
02:20:31,317 --> 02:20:34,917
The city estimates it will cost $48 million to remove

1912
02:20:34,917 --> 02:20:38,439
them. The city is demanding not only that the city

1913
02:20:38,439 --> 02:20:41,119
be compensated for the removal, but also for all the

1914
02:20:41,119 --> 02:20:45,159
costs that went into researching and holding public input sessions

1915
02:20:45,159 --> 02:20:49,964
and stakeholder consultations. As part of the installation process. What

1916
02:20:49,964 --> 02:20:53,705
a waste of taxpayers money. Obviously, there is support for

1917
02:20:53,705 --> 02:20:56,705
bike lanes and evidence to support that separated bike lanes

1918
02:20:56,705 --> 02:20:59,465
are much safer. Than mixing bikes and cars in one

1919
02:20:59,465 --> 02:21:04,707
lane, especially in terms of rider safety. There was also

1920
02:21:04,707 --> 02:21:09,947
a claim that the bike lanes slows down the traffic

1921
02:21:09,947 --> 02:21:14,627
and slows down. In particular, emergency vehicles. However, the deputy

1922
02:21:14,627 --> 02:21:16,747
fire chief for the city of Toronto says that, in

1923
02:21:16,747 --> 02:21:21,709
fact response times have improved with the bike lanes. The

1924
02:21:21,709 --> 02:21:24,069
point is, the city sea cycling is a way to

1925
02:21:24,069 --> 02:21:27,589
combat gridlock and a way to save lives. Every cyclist

1926
02:21:27,589 --> 02:21:30,389
could be a driver. They know that as the network

1927
02:21:30,389 --> 02:21:34,029
improves, more people will choose cycling when safe infrastructure is

1928
02:21:34,029 --> 02:21:37,990
provided. To take the opposite view and foist it upon

1929
02:21:37,990 --> 02:21:40,590
a city that is the size of a small province

1930
02:21:40,590 --> 02:21:47,404
is totally unacceptable. Consultation is something that municipalities do in

1931
02:21:47,404 --> 02:21:50,244
person with stakeholders. We know how long it takes to

1932
02:21:50,244 --> 02:21:53,684
make a decision on changes to our infrastructure and that

1933
02:21:53,684 --> 02:21:59,140
public input. Is actually prescribed by the same provincial government.

1934
02:21:59,140 --> 02:22:01,100
Why doesn't the government need to do the same thing.

1935
02:22:02,680 --> 02:22:07,720
Amel, representing all municipalities, has protested, calling it an overreach,

1936
02:22:07,720 --> 02:22:09,920
and I think that's sort of a nice way to

1937
02:22:09,920 --> 02:22:13,588
put it. And I have to wonder where this is

1938
02:22:13,588 --> 02:22:17,113
going next. First the province changed up all of the

1939
02:22:17,113 --> 02:22:21,353
municipal land use planning. Then they cut our DC funding.

1940
02:22:21,353 --> 02:22:24,633
Then they reduced our ability to provide parks. And now

1941
02:22:24,633 --> 02:22:27,553
they're saying when we make a decision about transportation systems.

1942
02:22:28,873 --> 02:22:31,337
Is the. Province doesn't like it, they'll just swoop in

1943
02:22:31,337 --> 02:22:35,607
and change it, which we've spent years studying. The issue

1944
02:22:35,607 --> 02:22:38,127
is not the bike lanes, though. The issue here is

1945
02:22:38,127 --> 02:22:41,927
the meddling and municipal decision. Making in an ad hoc

1946
02:22:41,927 --> 02:22:45,042
sort of way. All the changes that have been coming

1947
02:22:45,042 --> 02:22:47,122
at us have been made have made our jobs much

1948
02:22:47,122 --> 02:22:49,962
harder. And made it more difficult to provide for our

1949
02:22:49,962 --> 02:22:55,122
residents the services and infrastructure that we believe they want.

1950
02:22:55,122 --> 02:22:57,442
So I hope all of you on Councillor can support

1951
02:22:57,442 --> 02:23:00,842
Amos position that this is an overreach. By the province

1952
02:23:00,842 --> 02:23:04,227
into municipal jurisdiction and stand up for local decision. Making.

1953
02:23:04,227 --> 02:23:11,823
Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Hilson. Yes. Thank you, Madam

1954
02:23:11,823 --> 02:23:16,863
mayor. Councillor Fogle. That made many of the comments that

1955
02:23:16,863 --> 02:23:20,795
I maybe would have. Started with the province. Bring forward

1956
02:23:20,795 --> 02:23:25,604
Bill 212. Through that there is the potential for the

1957
02:23:25,604 --> 02:23:28,964
province to have oversight over municipal bike lanes, not just

1958
02:23:28,964 --> 02:23:33,117
new ones, but ones. That exist. And it could require

1959
02:23:33,117 --> 02:23:37,717
municipalities to remove those. So these are on municipal roads.

1960
02:23:37,717 --> 02:23:40,997
There are roads that we pay for. They're using contractors

1961
02:23:40,997 --> 02:23:43,797
that we'll have to pay for, and it's based upon

1962
02:23:43,797 --> 02:23:47,698
feedbacks and studies that we also are paying for. So

1963
02:23:47,698 --> 02:23:49,978
the position the AMO has put forward is that this

1964
02:23:49,978 --> 02:23:54,526
is an overstep. And we're asking Councillor to support Amos

1965
02:23:54,526 --> 02:23:59,539
position. On this. So in Holtzon Hills, we have an

1966
02:23:59,539 --> 02:24:03,139
active transportation master plan that was done between 2018, 2020.

1967
02:24:05,157 --> 02:24:09,904
Cost just for the plan itself, $137,000. I said with

1968
02:24:09,904 --> 02:24:13,790
Councillor Fogel on the act of transportation committee. I'm not

1969
02:24:13,790 --> 02:24:16,550
an avid cyclist. I'm not very good at all, actually,

1970
02:24:16,550 --> 02:24:19,110
but I. Have learned through my time on that committee

1971
02:24:19,110 --> 02:24:21,830
that it is important to members of our community, particularly

1972
02:24:21,830 --> 02:24:26,355
for those who don't have vehicles, who don't drive. So

1973
02:24:26,355 --> 02:24:29,475
I think that's the position that the talent has held

1974
02:24:29,475 --> 02:24:31,515
over the last couple of years, and I hope we

1975
02:24:31,515 --> 02:24:34,883
can continue to support that. I have heard. I chatted

1976
02:24:34,883 --> 02:24:39,979
with some of my fellow counselors beforehand. As you would

1977
02:24:39,979 --> 02:24:42,419
know. Some of the things I heard was that this

1978
02:24:42,419 --> 02:24:45,841
was just an attack on the province. I don't look

1979
02:24:45,841 --> 02:24:48,982
at it that way at all. I think that. We're

1980
02:24:48,982 --> 02:24:52,785
communicating, as Councillor Fogel mentioned. It is on the environmental

1981
02:24:52,785 --> 02:24:56,265
registry. Our staff do communicate with the province on different

1982
02:24:56,265 --> 02:24:59,585
issues when they see them. So we're communicating as a

1983
02:24:59,585 --> 02:25:02,505
business partner, which is what we are with the province.

1984
02:25:02,505 --> 02:25:06,181
We're small compared to them, but. If we don't make

1985
02:25:06,181 --> 02:25:08,701
a comment now, then when are we going to make

1986
02:25:08,701 --> 02:25:11,861
a comment? Because it will impact us and impact our

1987
02:25:11,861 --> 02:25:16,138
business. Something else that I've heard is Bill 212 is

1988
02:25:16,138 --> 02:25:20,978
just aimed at larger municipalities and possibly that's true. There's

1989
02:25:20,978 --> 02:25:27,869
the piece about. Changing vehicle lanes into bike lanes. I

1990
02:25:27,869 --> 02:25:30,389
think, as we know, the devil is in the details

1991
02:25:30,389 --> 02:25:33,874
with all these things. And those pieces haven't come out,

1992
02:25:33,874 --> 02:25:38,223
but I think. We need to. Based on the direction

1993
02:25:38,223 --> 02:25:40,863
that our municipalities held, it would be the right thing

1994
02:25:40,863 --> 02:25:44,493
to do. To talk about our support in the parse

1995
02:25:44,493 --> 02:25:48,533
at the very least, and to talk about the municipality's

1996
02:25:48,533 --> 02:25:53,733
position as far as managing roads compared to provincial pieces

1997
02:25:53,733 --> 02:25:59,557
of responsibility. So. Echoing Councillor Fogel. I hope we can

1998
02:25:59,557 --> 02:26:02,597
agree on this and support it and send it out.

1999
02:26:02,597 --> 02:26:07,369
Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Hilson. I see Councillor Somerville.

2000
02:26:10,359 --> 02:26:12,919
Well, I'll be briefer than the previous two speakers. I

2001
02:26:12,919 --> 02:26:15,399
know we're supposed to have a five minute limit for

2002
02:26:15,399 --> 02:26:19,410
speaking, but I will respect that to make sure. We're

2003
02:26:19,410 --> 02:26:20,570
in the town of Halton Hills. We're not in the

2004
02:26:20,570 --> 02:26:23,610
city of. Toronto. So all the comments about what is

2005
02:26:23,610 --> 02:26:25,810
going on with Toronto are kind of a moot. Point

2006
02:26:25,810 --> 02:26:32,024
to this. I have tremendous difficulty with this motion. The

2007
02:26:32,024 --> 02:26:37,629
province, the municipalities. Under Article two of the constitution lays

2008
02:26:37,629 --> 02:26:40,932
out. That municipalities are the creature of the province. A

2009
02:26:40,932 --> 02:26:45,054
province can decide. It's not really overreach that they're deciding

2010
02:26:45,054 --> 02:26:48,574
that bike lanes are going to be reported in this

2011
02:26:48,574 --> 02:26:54,386
way. This really doesn't affect Halton Hills because. There is

2012
02:26:54,386 --> 02:26:57,786
not recommending that any of the lanes of traffic be

2013
02:26:57,786 --> 02:27:01,306
changed to cycling lanes. This is as Amos said today

2014
02:27:01,306 --> 02:27:03,626
in a meeting I was in with them. This is

2015
02:27:03,626 --> 02:27:08,433
aimed at. Toronto, Ottawa. And they figured it could be

2016
02:27:08,433 --> 02:27:13,190
a Mississauga. This isn't really anything that we have here.

2017
02:27:13,190 --> 02:27:16,870
While I respect that we can bring items forward to

2018
02:27:16,870 --> 02:27:21,390
this that we discuss. This one I can't support because

2019
02:27:21,390 --> 02:27:25,870
of it. The second operative clause that says in further

2020
02:27:25,870 --> 02:27:29,350
that Councillor does not support the provisions in Bill T.

2021
02:27:29,350 --> 02:27:34,150
Twelve. With respect to the installation of cycling lanes, I

2022
02:27:34,150 --> 02:27:37,710
would actually like to amend that that be struck because

2023
02:27:37,710 --> 02:27:39,750
I can support the other part of it, because I

2024
02:27:39,750 --> 02:27:42,790
agree we have to go to the province about respecting

2025
02:27:42,790 --> 02:27:46,252
local decision making. But we better also remember that the

2026
02:27:46,252 --> 02:27:49,252
province does actually have that say, so I will put

2027
02:27:49,252 --> 02:27:52,012
that on the floor that we strike that, because if

2028
02:27:52,012 --> 02:27:54,372
that one's out of there, it is. About the only

2029
02:27:54,372 --> 02:27:59,027
way I could even look at entertaining, supporting this. Okay.

2030
02:28:02,844 --> 02:28:08,763
Somerville. Are you making a motion? And it is one,

2031
02:28:08,763 --> 02:28:13,946
two, three, clause four. It is a second operative clause.

2032
02:28:13,946 --> 02:28:15,866
And further, that the Councillor of the town of Hill,

2033
02:28:15,866 --> 02:28:19,386
Alton hills. Does not support the provisions in 212 with

2034
02:28:19,386 --> 02:28:22,746
respect to the installation of cycling liens. It's. On the

2035
02:28:22,746 --> 02:28:25,906
operative clause, not on the preamble. The preamble doesn't. Matter.

2036
02:28:25,906 --> 02:28:29,026
It's too long anyways. But it's just on that operative

2037
02:28:29,026 --> 02:28:32,847
clause, I'm suggesting be removed. Like I said, I do

2038
02:28:32,847 --> 02:28:34,727
not have a seconder for that. So I would need

2039
02:28:34,727 --> 02:28:38,459
someone for that to be on the floor. Councilor Albano,

2040
02:28:38,459 --> 02:28:41,299
you'll second that amendment? Yes, I will support that.

2041
02:28:51,630 --> 02:28:55,830
Are there any speakers to the amendment? Okay, Councillor Fogle.

2042
02:28:57,780 --> 02:29:00,140
Okay, well, I object to a lot of what's just

2043
02:29:00,140 --> 02:29:07,011
been said. We are still a legitimate. Level of government.

2044
02:29:09,351 --> 02:29:16,318
With responsibilities. For keeping our citizens safe. And we've had

2045
02:29:16,318 --> 02:29:19,278
that for a long time. We're invested in that. This

2046
02:29:19,278 --> 02:29:25,037
is brand new. Out of nowhere with no justification. Whatsoever.

2047
02:29:26,129 --> 02:29:29,319
And all the facts line up against. What the province

2048
02:29:29,319 --> 02:29:37,296
is doing. I think. The association of Municipalities of Ontario

2049
02:29:37,296 --> 02:29:42,692
represents all of us, all of the municipalities. They don't

2050
02:29:42,692 --> 02:29:48,477
come out with a statement like this. Just willy nilly,

2051
02:29:48,477 --> 02:29:52,051
they consider it. They've got their own lawyers. This is

2052
02:29:52,051 --> 02:29:58,271
a serious problem. And the problem in this case? Deals

2053
02:29:58,271 --> 02:30:01,831
with bike lanes. And all this paragraph says is that.

2054
02:30:03,370 --> 02:30:07,330
Of the whole bill to twelve, which has a lot

2055
02:30:07,330 --> 02:30:12,867
of other things in it, including 413. This one thing.

2056
02:30:14,449 --> 02:30:18,169
About swooping in and changing the decision of the local

2057
02:30:18,169 --> 02:30:23,383
municipality. That's what we object to that part. You take

2058
02:30:23,383 --> 02:30:27,408
this one out. There isn't. Much left. I hope people

2059
02:30:27,408 --> 02:30:30,648
can see through this, that it just disembowels the entire.

2060
02:30:36,117 --> 02:30:39,677
Resolution by taking that one out. So I guess that's

2061
02:30:39,677 --> 02:30:41,517
the point. What you want to do, you could just

2062
02:30:41,517 --> 02:30:49,347
vote. Against. The resolution without doing that. I'll leave it

2063
02:30:49,347 --> 02:30:56,027
there. Councilor Garno, did you have something on the amendment?

2064
02:30:59,084 --> 02:31:04,634
Okay. I'm just wondering. If so, Councillor Somerville, you mentioned

2065
02:31:04,634 --> 02:31:09,433
you'd consider supporting it. I'm just wondering if. We do

2066
02:31:09,433 --> 02:31:12,073
pass the amendment. Are you going to support the amended

2067
02:31:12,073 --> 02:31:15,069
motion or not? Well, I guess we'd have to wait

2068
02:31:15,069 --> 02:31:20,274
and see, won't we? No, you don't have the answer.

2069
02:31:20,274 --> 02:31:21,994
Because I haven't said my answer. I said. You would

2070
02:31:21,994 --> 02:31:29,635
have to wait and see Councillor Fogle. But no. I

2071
02:31:29,635 --> 02:31:32,675
have so much difficulty at this point. I probably would,

2072
02:31:32,675 --> 02:31:34,755
but it would also depend on what the other discussion

2073
02:31:34,755 --> 02:31:37,755
is that Councillor has come up. That would make my

2074
02:31:37,755 --> 02:31:43,179
mind finally up. I support Amo as they're doing their

2075
02:31:43,179 --> 02:31:46,499
positioning to the province. I don't. Support us poking the

2076
02:31:46,499 --> 02:31:48,979
province in the eye every few weeks. I don't support

2077
02:31:48,979 --> 02:31:52,459
that, but. I also don't support that. This one is

2078
02:31:52,459 --> 02:31:58,343
aimed specifically at the installation of cycling lanes. When it

2079
02:31:58,343 --> 02:32:01,063
does not affect us. That's the big thing. It does

2080
02:32:01,063 --> 02:32:03,773
not affect us. So I would have to wait and

2081
02:32:03,773 --> 02:32:05,853
see what the other discussion is from other members of

2082
02:32:05,853 --> 02:32:09,333
Councillor. If I would support it. If the amendment passes

2083
02:32:09,333 --> 02:32:17,928
at this time, I don't know. I'm sorry.

2084
02:32:19,481 --> 02:32:29,380
On a recorded vote. So, Councillor Garno, did you

2085
02:32:29,380 --> 02:32:36,967
have anything further? On the amendment. Well.

2086
02:32:39,606 --> 02:32:46,755
No. Not right now. Councilor keane. Just on the amendment.

2087
02:32:48,478 --> 02:32:55,951
Clarification. I'm tending towards. Leaning towards. The Councillor Somerville's amendment.

2088
02:32:55,951 --> 02:32:58,231
I agree. With what? He's very strong with what he's.

2089
02:32:58,231 --> 02:33:02,074
Saying, but then. The other part of the resolution. I'm

2090
02:33:02,074 --> 02:33:03,674
having real trouble with this whole resolution, the way it's

2091
02:33:03,674 --> 02:33:08,394
been written, and it's asking us to Halton Hills to

2092
02:33:08,394 --> 02:33:12,112
express support. For Amos position, urging the province. Is that

2093
02:33:12,112 --> 02:33:14,232
a most specific position? What's the wording of there? Have

2094
02:33:14,232 --> 02:33:17,072
they issued an official statement. Is that the exact wording?

2095
02:33:19,381 --> 02:33:23,372
They're asking us for that. Okay. I'll just leave it

2096
02:33:23,372 --> 02:33:26,452
at that. I'll support the amendment at this time, but.

2097
02:33:26,452 --> 02:33:30,526
I'm not sure I'm going to support the resolution. Councilor

2098
02:33:30,526 --> 02:33:36,481
Vzinski to the amendment. Thank you, madam Mayor. I will

2099
02:33:36,481 --> 02:33:38,561
not be supporting this amendment as I don't believe it.

2100
02:33:38,561 --> 02:33:41,361
Goes far enough, and I will not be supporting the

2101
02:33:41,361 --> 02:33:46,420
motion. I agree with Councillor Fogle that this motion is

2102
02:33:46,420 --> 02:33:49,020
not about supporting amo. It is about. Attacking the province.

2103
02:33:50,335 --> 02:33:53,070
All due respect, Councillor Hilson, I have no idea. How

2104
02:33:53,070 --> 02:33:55,230
you can say what you just said. And after hearing

2105
02:33:55,230 --> 02:33:58,070
what Councillor Fogle just said in her preamble. That was

2106
02:33:58,070 --> 02:34:02,097
clearly an attack on the province. I cannot support either

2107
02:34:02,097 --> 02:34:07,443
this amendment or the motion. Thank you. And I'll remind

2108
02:34:07,443 --> 02:34:15,628
members of Councillor to keep their comments. Objective. Please do

2109
02:34:15,628 --> 02:34:24,497
not refer to whether counselors by name. Councilor brass. Thank

2110
02:34:24,497 --> 02:34:26,657
you, Madam Mayor. Just listening to some of the comments,

2111
02:34:26,657 --> 02:34:28,497
and I would like to chime in with a couple

2112
02:34:28,497 --> 02:34:31,648
of my own. And about a year and a half

2113
02:34:31,648 --> 02:34:33,488
ago. I'm also not a cyclist, but about a year

2114
02:34:33,488 --> 02:34:36,608
and a half ago, I decided to take activity more

2115
02:34:36,608 --> 02:34:41,248
seriously in active transportation, and I started walking ten to

2116
02:34:41,248 --> 02:34:44,408
15 day and have done so far and have not

2117
02:34:44,408 --> 02:34:46,328
missed a day in a year and a half, and

2118
02:34:46,328 --> 02:34:48,528
I often take the opportunity to walk to work or

2119
02:34:48,528 --> 02:34:51,324
to walk home. From work, which. Is a pretty good

2120
02:34:51,324 --> 02:34:55,955
walk. And the benefits of that for me have been

2121
02:34:55,955 --> 02:35:01,122
enormous. For mental and physical health. So when I hear

2122
02:35:01,122 --> 02:35:05,082
comments about cyclists getting benefits from it, I really take

2123
02:35:05,082 --> 02:35:07,562
that to heart as well, because I have those same

2124
02:35:07,562 --> 02:35:12,151
results but with a different mode. And being somewhat well

2125
02:35:12,151 --> 02:35:15,511
traveled and had the pleasure of and the privilege of

2126
02:35:15,511 --> 02:35:18,551
being to a lot. Of big cities around the world,

2127
02:35:18,551 --> 02:35:22,734
one of them being Tokyo. And that is one of

2128
02:35:22,734 --> 02:35:26,462
the biggest and busiest cities in the world. With very,

2129
02:35:26,462 --> 02:35:30,098
very effective bike lanes. And that city moves like clockwork.

2130
02:35:31,706 --> 02:35:35,308
And cyclists are safe. So that was a great example

2131
02:35:35,308 --> 02:35:37,428
of a city that hasn't got it right, and it

2132
02:35:37,428 --> 02:35:40,950
works. I don't think the debate is about Toronto at

2133
02:35:40,950 --> 02:35:46,538
a care less. We represent Halton. Hills. The motion. I

2134
02:35:46,538 --> 02:35:50,708
don't know what all the fuss is about it. Aside

2135
02:35:50,708 --> 02:35:53,548
from maybe the argument of the attack on the province.

2136
02:35:55,033 --> 02:35:56,313
That I can see, and maybe there's a little bit

2137
02:35:56,313 --> 02:36:01,903
of merit to that. But the motion is just trying

2138
02:36:01,903 --> 02:36:06,664
to do good by the citizens of Halton Hills. By

2139
02:36:06,664 --> 02:36:09,904
protecting our rights to put bike lanes in the way

2140
02:36:09,904 --> 02:36:13,066
these councillor see fit to do so. And I want

2141
02:36:13,066 --> 02:36:18,349
to support this motion. Simply to keep more control over.

2142
02:36:19,887 --> 02:36:24,492
Our decisions from municipal perspective. So I really don't want

2143
02:36:24,492 --> 02:36:26,172
to support the amendment because I don't see the point

2144
02:36:26,172 --> 02:36:32,079
to the amendment. So we'll see how it plays out.

2145
02:36:32,079 --> 02:36:34,519
But I won't support the amendment and I'm going to

2146
02:36:34,519 --> 02:36:38,498
support the motion. I will withdraw the amendment and just

2147
02:36:38,498 --> 02:36:46,862
vote against the whole thing. Okay. Thank you. So.

2148
02:36:48,741 --> 02:36:51,581
I'm going to go to first time speakers even though.

2149
02:36:53,120 --> 02:36:57,143
We were on the amendment earlier. We will. Now then,

2150
02:36:57,143 --> 02:37:04,407
speak to the motion. Okay. All right. I see. Councillor

2151
02:37:04,407 --> 02:37:09,936
Ingles. Thank you, worship. Yeah. I am going to support

2152
02:37:09,936 --> 02:37:13,378
this. I take it? Somewhat, I think, Councillor Summerville, it's

2153
02:37:13,378 --> 02:37:15,778
kind of a moot point. There's very little here that

2154
02:37:15,778 --> 02:37:22,217
affects us. Except for. Where the decision making power. Will

2155
02:37:22,217 --> 02:37:25,087
lie in the end. And I believe it should lie

2156
02:37:25,087 --> 02:37:30,844
here. Streets, roads. They are our mandate. Per se. It

2157
02:37:30,844 --> 02:37:34,982
eliminates red tape. It's an extra. Probably it's an extra

2158
02:37:34,982 --> 02:37:38,582
step which would turn into, I believe. Dealing with the

2159
02:37:38,582 --> 02:37:46,477
province into weeks, months, maybe longer. Just to handle. Something

2160
02:37:46,477 --> 02:37:49,397
like this. So much more efficient being at the municipal

2161
02:37:49,397 --> 02:37:53,998
level. I have no problem here poking. The government. They're

2162
02:37:53,998 --> 02:37:55,965
big boys and girls. They can take it. If they

2163
02:37:55,965 --> 02:37:58,605
can't handle this, they probably shouldn't be. They probably shouldn't

2164
02:37:58,605 --> 02:38:02,259
be in the chamber to start with. So I'm fine.

2165
02:38:03,708 --> 02:38:07,468
I will be supporting this as it's put forward. Thank

2166
02:38:07,468 --> 02:38:13,636
you. Thank you. Are there other first time speakers? Councilor

2167
02:38:13,636 --> 02:38:19,858
norris. Thank you, Madam Mayor. And I admit that I

2168
02:38:19,858 --> 02:38:22,618
didn't spend a lot of time before the meeting going

2169
02:38:22,618 --> 02:38:29,493
through. This. And listening to the commentary on that. I

2170
02:38:29,493 --> 02:38:31,013
also picked up that this was an attack on the

2171
02:38:31,013 --> 02:38:34,333
Ontario government. I have to admit, I was very encouraged

2172
02:38:34,333 --> 02:38:38,410
earlier when we had. The speakers from the police department

2173
02:38:38,410 --> 02:38:42,090
that we're actually saying positive things about our provincial government.

2174
02:38:42,090 --> 02:38:45,130
We don't get to hear that in this chamber very

2175
02:38:45,130 --> 02:38:48,360
often, and, in fact, never. So I was encouraged to

2176
02:38:48,360 --> 02:38:53,929
hear that. I did also hear nothing but. Attacks on

2177
02:38:53,929 --> 02:38:57,369
the provincial government. So while that was going on over

2178
02:38:57,369 --> 02:39:01,574
the five minute limit, that was allowed for speakers. I

2179
02:39:01,574 --> 02:39:03,414
chose to take a look online and I found an

2180
02:39:03,414 --> 02:39:07,640
Ipso poll that was done in. March 25 of this

2181
02:39:07,640 --> 02:39:11,520
year, 2024. But Canadians to work. Now I'm hearing that

2182
02:39:11,520 --> 02:39:13,400
it's not about the bike lanes, but it is about

2183
02:39:13,400 --> 02:39:17,996
the bike lanes. The numbers that were being thrown around

2184
02:39:17,996 --> 02:39:23,676
do support the 3%. According to Ipso, 54% people reported

2185
02:39:23,676 --> 02:39:29,944
taking cars, 19% take public transit. 5%. Take car and

2186
02:39:29,944 --> 02:39:36,112
carpools. 9% walk and only 3% cycle. So I think

2187
02:39:36,112 --> 02:39:38,312
the number that's coming out of the provincial government is

2188
02:39:38,312 --> 02:39:42,855
accurate. I just heard this. It doesn't seem like it

2189
02:39:42,855 --> 02:39:47,492
was really intended to be anything more. Than. An attack

2190
02:39:47,492 --> 02:39:50,372
on another level of government, and I'm sorry, that's not

2191
02:39:50,372 --> 02:39:53,372
appropriate. We shouldn't be having that here in the Councillor

2192
02:39:53,372 --> 02:39:57,172
chambers. I think if we're going. To be discussing and

2193
02:39:57,172 --> 02:39:59,812
debating things at different levels of government. There should be

2194
02:39:59,812 --> 02:40:02,252
more objectivity to it. I didn't see that. I don't

2195
02:40:02,252 --> 02:40:07,225
hear it. I can't support. This. Thank you. Okay. Thank

2196
02:40:07,225 --> 02:40:13,392
you. Well, I will provide my comments as a first

2197
02:40:13,392 --> 02:40:16,725
time speaker and then. We'll go again around the table.

2198
02:40:18,185 --> 02:40:22,505
And I'm supporting this motion. And the reason why I'm

2199
02:40:22,505 --> 02:40:27,927
doing so is. Largely because of the comments made by

2200
02:40:27,927 --> 02:40:33,799
Amo. And I think that this has to do absolutely

2201
02:40:33,799 --> 02:40:37,723
with overreach by the provincial government. There is something called

2202
02:40:37,723 --> 02:40:42,687
the Municipal Act. That is legislation that indicates the kind

2203
02:40:42,687 --> 02:40:48,392
of rule that municipality should play. And we are responsible

2204
02:40:48,392 --> 02:40:53,712
for designing transportation systems in our municipality, whether they include

2205
02:40:53,712 --> 02:40:57,512
bike lanes or not. It is clearly a responsibility of

2206
02:40:57,512 --> 02:41:03,481
this level of government. And the province. Enacted the municipal

2207
02:41:03,481 --> 02:41:09,544
act. Furthermore, the province has now on their environmental registry.

2208
02:41:11,981 --> 02:41:18,871
Asked for commentary. Commentary. Not attack. But the province has

2209
02:41:18,871 --> 02:41:26,392
asked for commentary. On. This piece of proposed legislation. So

2210
02:41:26,392 --> 02:41:31,620
this is providing a commentary. From one level of government

2211
02:41:31,620 --> 02:41:35,060
that has the municipal act that is determining how it

2212
02:41:35,060 --> 02:41:40,378
behaves. And it is absolutely within the rights of this

2213
02:41:40,378 --> 02:41:48,811
Councillor to provide that commentary. On the legislation that. We

2214
02:41:48,811 --> 02:41:56,270
have been. For many years been asked. To provide, so.

2215
02:41:57,709 --> 02:42:01,184
It is absolutely within our jurisdiction. It is absolutely a

2216
02:42:01,184 --> 02:42:05,310
request that has been received from the province. To hear

2217
02:42:05,310 --> 02:42:10,312
back what we think of this legislation. And. This is.

2218
02:42:12,390 --> 02:42:17,790
Simply a resolution that describes how this Councillor feels about

2219
02:42:17,790 --> 02:42:20,990
the proposal by the provincial government to move in this

2220
02:42:20,990 --> 02:42:30,257
direction. We've been asked to do this. And so we

2221
02:42:30,257 --> 02:42:36,459
shall. Depending on the results of this resolution. So I

2222
02:42:36,459 --> 02:42:40,179
will be supporting it. Absolutely. And I will also be

2223
02:42:40,179 --> 02:42:47,088
supporting. Our association of Municipalities, which gives guidance to us

2224
02:42:47,088 --> 02:42:50,128
and assists us in some of the important work. That

2225
02:42:50,128 --> 02:42:55,581
we do. Okay. Are there any further second time? Speakers.

2226
02:42:55,581 --> 02:43:02,061
All right, Councillor Rosinski. Thank you, Madam Mayor. As my

2227
02:43:02,061 --> 02:43:04,421
comments on the motion. Now, as first time speaker to

2228
02:43:04,421 --> 02:43:08,369
the motion. First of all, I find it interesting that

2229
02:43:08,369 --> 02:43:11,849
counselors choose to focus on this issue while our neighboring

2230
02:43:11,849 --> 02:43:15,569
municipalities and Amo are working together with the province to

2231
02:43:15,569 --> 02:43:18,689
tackle the issue of homelessness. A very big, important issue.

2232
02:43:18,689 --> 02:43:20,649
And there hasn't been a word out of this Councillor

2233
02:43:20,649 --> 02:43:23,889
on that issue. Now, according to this motion, the province

2234
02:43:23,889 --> 02:43:26,823
is asking for a sober second look. To look at

2235
02:43:26,823 --> 02:43:31,814
bike lanes that actually restricts. Vehicular traffic, which, of course,

2236
02:43:31,814 --> 02:43:34,534
is not happening in Halton Hills, nor most likely will.

2237
02:43:34,534 --> 02:43:38,581
Ever happen in hall to the hills? Hopefully not. So

2238
02:43:38,581 --> 02:43:43,498
I really don't see. What the big deal is. How

2239
02:43:43,498 --> 02:43:48,689
does this affect our municipality? It's really not a priority.

2240
02:43:48,689 --> 02:43:53,733
And clearly there are municipalities that are pushing. This they're

2241
02:43:53,733 --> 02:44:00,702
pushing. A radical ideological agenda rather than prioritizing. Efficient, effective

2242
02:44:00,702 --> 02:44:02,582
flow of traffic, which is what we should be doing.

2243
02:44:05,118 --> 02:44:08,958
We heard last year about traffic issues from when? Mountain

2244
02:44:08,958 --> 02:44:13,718
View and Trafalgar. And there's construction and zipper merging, and

2245
02:44:13,718 --> 02:44:16,598
they even got emails from Ward two residents about those

2246
02:44:16,598 --> 02:44:19,238
traffic. Issues, traffic issues are real, and they're going to

2247
02:44:19,238 --> 02:44:22,038
continue to grow as we continue to grow. And with

2248
02:44:22,038 --> 02:44:24,518
all due respect to Councillor fogle and their preamble, she.

2249
02:44:25,449 --> 02:44:30,349
Said that reducing a lane of traffic. Doesn't affect gridlock.

2250
02:44:30,349 --> 02:44:33,229
And then later on she said that in Toronto and

2251
02:44:33,229 --> 02:44:35,149
why we're talking with Toronto? I don't know. But in

2252
02:44:35,149 --> 02:44:38,949
Toronto you can't increase. Delanes. But if lanes don't contribute

2253
02:44:38,949 --> 02:44:41,940
to gridlock, then that's irrelevant. So I was a little

2254
02:44:41,940 --> 02:44:46,118
confused there. I think this is just. Really not something

2255
02:44:46,118 --> 02:44:48,438
we should be spending our time on and I can't

2256
02:44:48,438 --> 02:44:57,558
support. Okay. Are there any other Councillor

2257
02:44:57,558 --> 02:45:02,078
Somerville? Well, I appreciate Councillor Zinsky mentioned about homelessness and.

2258
02:45:02,078 --> 02:45:03,878
The other one that Amos unlowed a lot of work

2259
02:45:03,878 --> 02:45:07,718
on we've never raised. Here is about encampments, but that

2260
02:45:07,718 --> 02:45:11,238
doesn't seem to matter because. Save the bike. Lanes. I

2261
02:45:11,238 --> 02:45:14,672
said I'm not supporting it. I wish people would have

2262
02:45:14,672 --> 02:45:18,792
been of this impassioned by the other municipal overreach. Things

2263
02:45:18,792 --> 02:45:23,232
such as strong mayor powers or the absolutely terrible budget

2264
02:45:23,232 --> 02:45:25,432
process that we now have forced on us with the

2265
02:45:25,432 --> 02:45:28,152
mayor's budget where a budget is not even passed by

2266
02:45:28,152 --> 02:45:33,913
council. That's the ridiculous things that we are pretty selective.

2267
02:45:33,913 --> 02:45:37,513
But let's keep poking our nose at the province and

2268
02:45:37,513 --> 02:45:39,273
we will know what the result will be as we

2269
02:45:39,273 --> 02:45:41,953
keep asking for funding, and we won't get it. Well,

2270
02:45:41,953 --> 02:45:46,070
no wonder. So I am opposed, and we'll be very

2271
02:45:46,070 --> 02:45:49,807
glad to stand up for that on this. One. I

2272
02:45:49,807 --> 02:45:52,967
do appreciate and respect the work amo does, because I

2273
02:45:52,967 --> 02:45:55,087
do spend a lot of time talking to them, and

2274
02:45:55,087 --> 02:45:58,807
I agree with them on the local decision making. It

2275
02:45:58,807 --> 02:46:00,607
may be in the municipal act. But go back to

2276
02:46:00,607 --> 02:46:04,532
article two of the constitution. Any act or that the

2277
02:46:04,532 --> 02:46:06,892
province wants to give to the municipalities and take away,

2278
02:46:06,892 --> 02:46:10,652
they can do. Very easily because that is their purview

2279
02:46:10,652 --> 02:46:15,029
under the canadian charter, rights and freedoms. It's actually the

2280
02:46:15,029 --> 02:46:18,149
constitution, but anyway, Councillor Keane.

2281
02:46:28,953 --> 02:46:30,713
Thank you, Madam Mayor should come. As no surprise to

2282
02:46:30,713 --> 02:46:34,498
Councillor, I will not be supporting this resolution. I'm thrilled

2283
02:46:34,498 --> 02:46:39,133
about the introduction of Bill to twelve. Having visited a

2284
02:46:39,133 --> 02:46:41,733
friend for lunch a month or so ago down in

2285
02:46:41,733 --> 02:46:45,613
Yorkville and driving on Bluer street. I can say unequivocally,

2286
02:46:45,613 --> 02:46:54,095
it's a disaster. And. This kind of politically and ideologically

2287
02:46:54,095 --> 02:46:57,175
charged decision to put bike lanes where there's no way

2288
02:46:57,175 --> 02:46:59,255
or reason they should be. There is nothing more than

2289
02:46:59,255 --> 02:47:01,695
a thinly veiled attack continuing. Attack the war on the

2290
02:47:01,695 --> 02:47:04,495
car. It's just like the mobility master plan to be

2291
02:47:04,495 --> 02:47:07,655
discussed. Many of our local residents came and saw through

2292
02:47:07,655 --> 02:47:10,535
that initial attack and made their views known, but apparently

2293
02:47:10,535 --> 02:47:14,809
that isn't important. Certain members of council. You talk about

2294
02:47:14,809 --> 02:47:17,809
the responsibility of paying attention to the municipal act? Well,

2295
02:47:17,809 --> 02:47:21,946
the municipal act. Also dictates that counselors should be listening

2296
02:47:21,946 --> 02:47:24,746
to the concerns of their residents, not telling residents what

2297
02:47:24,746 --> 02:47:27,546
they think is best for them. This is another example

2298
02:47:27,546 --> 02:47:32,828
of an elite. Nanny state approach to our town, saying,

2299
02:47:32,828 --> 02:47:34,588
we're going to force you to get healthy by riding

2300
02:47:34,588 --> 02:47:37,788
a bicycle. I don't need to be told to ride

2301
02:47:37,788 --> 02:47:39,308
a bicycle to be healthy. I go to the gym

2302
02:47:39,308 --> 02:47:41,668
three times a week. That's my choice. It's the choice

2303
02:47:41,668 --> 02:47:46,461
of my residence. This is not provincial overreach. This is

2304
02:47:46,461 --> 02:47:52,862
counteracting municipal overreach. Fellow counselors. And if towns are not

2305
02:47:52,862 --> 02:47:55,062
going to behave responsibly and they're going to start pushing

2306
02:47:55,062 --> 02:47:57,622
their agendas, we're going to continue to have the province

2307
02:47:57,622 --> 02:48:01,302
interject themselves. As it's been pointed out, is their right

2308
02:48:01,302 --> 02:48:03,822
under the municipal act and under legislation of this promise.

2309
02:48:03,822 --> 02:48:06,582
So we need to stop promoting these kind of irresponsible

2310
02:48:06,582 --> 02:48:09,782
policy decisions that go against the wishes of our constituents

2311
02:48:09,782 --> 02:48:13,312
that are not practical for the way this to. Town

2312
02:48:13,312 --> 02:48:14,912
is designed. And I can tell you that when every

2313
02:48:14,912 --> 02:48:18,472
time we order these new bike lanes, in Georgetown. South

2314
02:48:18,472 --> 02:48:20,792
ward four. It's one of the largest sources of complaints

2315
02:48:20,792 --> 02:48:23,312
I've received for my constituents. They're angry about them. They

2316
02:48:23,312 --> 02:48:25,432
don't use them. They don't. Know why they're there. They

2317
02:48:25,432 --> 02:48:27,712
want their money back on their taxes, so I'll not

2318
02:48:27,712 --> 02:48:31,644
be supporting this resolution. It is not worthy of support.

2319
02:48:31,644 --> 02:48:38,319
Thank you. Okay. Are there any further comments? Recorded vote.

2320
02:48:40,907 --> 02:48:46,435
Okay, Madam clerk. On the resolution. Thank you, Madamaran. Through

2321
02:48:46,435 --> 02:48:49,115
you. When I call your name, Councillor, please say yes

2322
02:48:49,115 --> 02:48:50,955
that you are. Supporting the motion or no, that you

2323
02:48:50,955 --> 02:48:57,528
are not supporting the motion, Mayor Lawler. Yes, Councillor Fogle.

2324
02:48:59,230 --> 02:49:08,035
Yes. Councilor Garno? Yes. Councillor Norris. No. Councillor Ingles. Yes.

2325
02:49:08,035 --> 02:49:16,452
Councillor Keane. No. Councillor Somerville. No. Councillor Hillson? Yes. Councillor

2326
02:49:16,452 --> 02:49:24,861
Rosinski? No. Councillor Albano. No. Councillor Brasst. Yes. That motion

2327
02:49:24,861 --> 02:49:25,061
carries.

2328
02:49:39,342 --> 02:49:44,239
It's 06:00. Now there are several people in the gallery.

2329
02:49:48,595 --> 02:49:53,360
We also have a lot of items. And we also

2330
02:49:53,360 --> 02:49:56,360
have a public meeting that we are required to do

2331
02:49:56,360 --> 02:50:03,822
at 06:00. The clerk tells me. Can you tell us

2332
02:50:03,822 --> 02:50:10,683
how we're going to proceed? Through you, Madam mayor. So

2333
02:50:10,683 --> 02:50:16,547
if you wanted to call for recess. Just for a

2334
02:50:16,547 --> 02:50:18,987
quick stretch and all that stuff to come back. I

2335
02:50:18,987 --> 02:50:22,547
don't know. 615. 620 whatever time you want. We will

2336
02:50:22,547 --> 02:50:24,387
have to do the public meeting first and then after

2337
02:50:24,387 --> 02:50:26,107
the public meeting. We will resume with the rest of

2338
02:50:26,107 --> 02:50:26,867
the councillor agenda.

2339
02:51:32,598 --> 02:51:35,146
All right, so. We're going to take a ten minute

2340
02:51:35,146 --> 02:51:38,826
break right now, and when we come back there will

2341
02:51:38,826 --> 02:51:43,987
be a public meeting. Okay. And following the public meeting.

2342
02:51:45,840 --> 02:51:51,534
We will reconvene into general committee. And we will then

2343
02:51:51,534 --> 02:51:57,199
receive some reports at that point. And there will be

2344
02:51:57,199 --> 02:52:04,605
a couple of delegations. But. It wouldn't surprise me if

2345
02:52:04,605 --> 02:52:10,885
it's 630 before we get to general committee. Okay, so

2346
02:52:10,885 --> 02:52:14,765
ten minute break now and then back into a public

2347
02:52:14,765 --> 02:52:16,245
meeting. Thank you.

2348
03:12:34,156 --> 03:12:36,996
Well, good evening, everyone. And I'm sorry, that was a

2349
03:12:36,996 --> 03:12:44,391
bit of a long ten minutes. But hopefully. We move

2350
03:12:44,391 --> 03:12:49,540
forward. So it's not midnight when we're out of here

2351
03:12:49,540 --> 03:12:56,816
tonight. So I'd like to open a public meeting. It

2352
03:12:56,816 --> 03:13:01,838
regards southeast Georgetown's secondary plan. And the purpose of this

2353
03:13:01,838 --> 03:13:06,500
public meeting is to inform and provide the public. With

2354
03:13:06,500 --> 03:13:12,229
an opportunity to ask questions or express views. With respect

2355
03:13:12,229 --> 03:13:16,709
to an official plan amendment pertaining to the southeast Georgetown

2356
03:13:16,709 --> 03:13:22,146
draft secondary plan. The Councillor are here to observe and

2357
03:13:22,146 --> 03:13:27,102
listen. To comments. However, they will not make any decisions

2358
03:13:27,102 --> 03:13:31,471
this evening. As chair, I am informing you that when

2359
03:13:31,471 --> 03:13:36,951
Councillor makes a decision, the Planning act provides individual landowners.

2360
03:13:36,951 --> 03:13:41,391
Within the secondary plan area with an opportunity to appeal

2361
03:13:41,391 --> 03:13:46,111
the decision to the Ontario Land Tribunal for a hearing

2362
03:13:46,111 --> 03:13:52,329
subject to tribunal valid. Validation of the appeal. Please note

2363
03:13:52,329 --> 03:13:55,689
that if a person or public body does not make

2364
03:13:55,689 --> 03:14:00,169
oral submissions at a public meeting, or written submissions to

2365
03:14:00,169 --> 03:14:03,969
the town of Holton Hills before the decision is made,

2366
03:14:03,969 --> 03:14:07,769
the person or public body is not entitled to appeal

2367
03:14:07,769 --> 03:14:10,809
the decision of the town of Holton Hills to the

2368
03:14:10,809 --> 03:14:18,037
Ontario. Land tribunal. In written comments. In written comments to

2369
03:14:18,037 --> 03:14:23,629
the town of Holton. Public. And you may also not

2370
03:14:23,629 --> 03:14:26,749
be added as a participant to the hearing. If an

2371
03:14:26,749 --> 03:14:31,566
appeal before the Ontario land tribunal unless. In the opinion

2372
03:14:31,566 --> 03:14:34,646
of the tribunal, there are reasonable grounds to do so.

2373
03:14:35,763 --> 03:14:38,883
You may wish to talk to planning staff regarding further

2374
03:14:38,883 --> 03:14:44,328
information. On the appeal process. The Planning act requires that

2375
03:14:44,328 --> 03:14:48,728
a statutory public meeting be held for a proposal to

2376
03:14:48,728 --> 03:14:53,406
amend the official plan. In the format of this public

2377
03:14:53,406 --> 03:14:59,641
meeting is as follows. Josh Salisbury, senior policy planner, will

2378
03:14:59,641 --> 03:15:04,201
provide an overview of the Southeast Georgetown draft secondary plan.

2379
03:15:05,844 --> 03:15:12,684
Then Shika Jaguani, the senior urban designer landscape intern at

2380
03:15:12,684 --> 03:15:17,900
SGL planning and design. The lead consultants for the study

2381
03:15:17,900 --> 03:15:23,352
will go over the draft secondary plan policies. Next, the

2382
03:15:23,352 --> 03:15:28,162
public will have the opportunity to obtain clarification. Ask questions.

2383
03:15:29,221 --> 03:15:33,942
And express their views on the proposed amendments. The town's

2384
03:15:33,942 --> 03:15:38,382
consultants and staff will attempt to answer questions or respond

2385
03:15:38,382 --> 03:15:42,902
to concerns this evening. If this is not possible, staff

2386
03:15:42,902 --> 03:15:48,046
will follow up and obtain the information. Responses will be

2387
03:15:48,046 --> 03:15:51,926
provided when the matter is brought forward and evaluated by

2388
03:15:51,926 --> 03:15:57,610
Councillor at a later date. I now invite Josh Salisbury

2389
03:15:57,610 --> 03:16:01,446
to come forward. And while Josh is coming up, I'll

2390
03:16:01,446 --> 03:16:05,126
comment that this is being streamed, and there may be

2391
03:16:05,126 --> 03:16:10,512
individuals online who are joining. This public meeting.

2392
03:16:22,799 --> 03:16:24,879
Can you guys hear me? Oh, here we go. Thank

2393
03:16:24,879 --> 03:16:27,159
you very much, madamarin. Good evening. To you, Madamor, as

2394
03:16:27,159 --> 03:16:29,639
well as good evening to the rest of Councillor. I

2395
03:16:29,639 --> 03:16:31,279
also want to. Say good evening to those from the

2396
03:16:31,279 --> 03:16:33,999
public who are here in attendance and who are also

2397
03:16:33,999 --> 03:16:38,351
joining. In virtually tonight. Tonight, I am joined by shika

2398
03:16:38,351 --> 03:16:44,195
jaguani of sgl planning and design, inc. Incentive Plan amendment

2399
03:16:44,195 --> 03:16:48,755
number 59, which is also references OPA 59, which is

2400
03:16:48,755 --> 03:16:51,755
to establish a secondary plan that will guide land use

2401
03:16:51,755 --> 03:16:54,915
and future development on lands abutting 10th line and 10th

2402
03:16:54,915 --> 03:16:58,155
side. Ode in Georgetown, which has become more commonly known

2403
03:16:58,155 --> 03:17:02,616
as southeast Georgetown. Town Councillor endorsed the preferred land use

2404
03:17:02,616 --> 03:17:08,216
plan for southeast Georgetown through report PD 20 24 62,

2405
03:17:08,216 --> 03:17:10,896
which helps steer the preparation of the draft secondary plan.

2406
03:17:12,098 --> 03:17:15,738
This statutory public meeting is yet another key milestone in

2407
03:17:15,738 --> 03:17:20,218
progressing to a completed OPa 59 southeast Georgetown secondary plan.

2408
03:17:27,195 --> 03:17:29,315
The following presentation is going to be delivered in seven

2409
03:17:29,315 --> 03:17:32,793
sections. First I will be speaking to what has been

2410
03:17:32,793 --> 03:17:35,873
completed to date and then Shika will be. Discussing the

2411
03:17:35,873 --> 03:17:39,833
vision and guiding principles. The land use schedule the key

2412
03:17:39,833 --> 03:17:44,513
secondary plan policies the key urban design guidelines the status

2413
03:17:44,513 --> 03:17:48,079
of the technical studies required for this report. And the

2414
03:17:48,079 --> 03:17:56,343
next steps. So what has been done to date?

2415
03:17:58,165 --> 03:18:01,125
Currently, we are in phase four of this process. Over

2416
03:18:01,125 --> 03:18:03,765
the past couple of months, town staff have met with

2417
03:18:03,765 --> 03:18:06,605
a technical advisory committee, which is made up of internal

2418
03:18:06,605 --> 03:18:10,285
town staff and external reviewing agencies. To present the draft

2419
03:18:10,285 --> 03:18:14,965
official plan Amendment 59, southeast Georgetown secondary plan and gather

2420
03:18:14,965 --> 03:18:17,765
feedback for the proposed policies as well as the key

2421
03:18:17,765 --> 03:18:21,633
urb. Urban design guidelines and the land use schedules. Also

2422
03:18:21,633 --> 03:18:24,313
during this phase, town staff have met with the steering

2423
03:18:24,313 --> 03:18:28,233
committee for the southeast Georgetown Secondary Plan. Which is made

2424
03:18:28,233 --> 03:18:32,433
up of counselors, the mayor, a member of the public,

2425
03:18:32,433 --> 03:18:36,287
the landowner and town. Staff. And the purpose of this

2426
03:18:36,287 --> 03:18:40,047
meeting was to gather their feedback on the draft secondary

2427
03:18:40,047 --> 03:18:43,847
plan policies. The key urban design guidelines and land use

2428
03:18:43,847 --> 03:18:48,447
schedules. After the completion of the statutory public meeting, it

2429
03:18:48,447 --> 03:18:51,047
is the intent of town staff to review all feedback

2430
03:18:51,047 --> 03:18:53,407
and comments that have been provided for the draft. Secondary

2431
03:18:53,407 --> 03:18:57,161
plan policies and to submit. The town Councillor. A recommendation

2432
03:18:57,161 --> 03:19:01,921
report for a finalized official plan. Amendment 59, southeast Georgetown

2433
03:19:01,921 --> 03:19:06,398
secondary plan. We anticipate that this report will come forward

2434
03:19:06,398 --> 03:19:10,181
to Councillor in early of 2025. So we are there.

2435
03:19:21,335 --> 03:19:22,855
This is just a bit of a timeline of some

2436
03:19:22,855 --> 03:19:26,015
of the consultation that we've had. In phase four to

2437
03:19:26,015 --> 03:19:28,615
date. So, as I noted, we had the TAC presentation

2438
03:19:28,615 --> 03:19:31,735
on October 24. Of 2024. And then we had the

2439
03:19:31,735 --> 03:19:36,295
steering committee presentation on October 29 of 2024 on November

2440
03:19:36,295 --> 03:19:42,725
the fourth of 2024. We had our public open house,

2441
03:19:42,725 --> 03:19:45,285
which I believe a majority of town Councillor were there.

2442
03:19:45,285 --> 03:19:47,725
It was actually quite well attended. We had a number

2443
03:19:47,725 --> 03:19:49,805
of people from the public attendant as well, which was

2444
03:19:49,805 --> 03:19:53,675
awesome. And that's just a picture of Catherine J. Who's

2445
03:19:53,675 --> 03:19:57,675
one of our consultants working. From Sgl, interacting with the

2446
03:19:57,675 --> 03:20:01,517
public and how the open house looked there. I also

2447
03:20:01,517 --> 03:20:04,917
want to make note that we do have also an

2448
03:20:04,917 --> 03:20:09,477
online ongoing survey happening right now. In this report that's

2449
03:20:09,477 --> 03:20:12,957
being used for this meeting, which is PD 20240 95.

2450
03:20:14,414 --> 03:20:16,854
There is a link on the second page that the

2451
03:20:16,854 --> 03:20:19,294
readers can click on. I think it says link here

2452
03:20:19,294 --> 03:20:21,454
and it can direct them right to the. Let's talk

2453
03:20:21,454 --> 03:20:26,534
Halton Hills, Georgetown. Southeast secondary plan page, and on that

2454
03:20:26,534 --> 03:20:30,506
page you can actually provide. Comments or you can provide

2455
03:20:30,506 --> 03:20:34,306
feedback from the November 4 open house. And you can

2456
03:20:34,306 --> 03:20:37,146
also ask town staff questions, and we do respond to

2457
03:20:37,146 --> 03:20:40,490
those questions as well. If you guys need to know

2458
03:20:40,490 --> 03:20:48,453
the link as well, it's, let's talkhaultonhills. Caso. Casotownsecondaryplan. And

2459
03:20:48,453 --> 03:20:57,341
I will ask Shika to come up. Thank you, Josh.

2460
03:21:00,489 --> 03:21:09,032
No. So, as Josh mentioned, we will go over the

2461
03:21:09,032 --> 03:21:14,622
vision. Just a general overview. The vision for southeast Georgetown.

2462
03:21:16,821 --> 03:21:20,221
Is that it will foster a healthy, sustainable lifestyle, balancing

2463
03:21:20,221 --> 03:21:25,473
the need for economic, environmental and social sustainability. It will

2464
03:21:25,473 --> 03:21:29,473
be designed to be resilient, compact and contribute to surrounding

2465
03:21:29,473 --> 03:21:32,913
community in a manner that respects the natural and cultural

2466
03:21:32,913 --> 03:21:37,460
heritage features as well as the surrounding neighborhood. Just a

2467
03:21:37,460 --> 03:21:39,900
quick overview of the principles as part of the plan.

2468
03:21:42,861 --> 03:21:45,741
It's to provide a mix of built form as well

2469
03:21:45,741 --> 03:21:49,221
as a street and block pattern. That provides a walkable

2470
03:21:49,221 --> 03:21:53,083
community. Provides for a mixed use area to accommodate the

2471
03:21:53,083 --> 03:21:57,723
daily needs of residents, respects the natural cultural heritage that

2472
03:21:57,723 --> 03:22:03,545
currently exists within and adjacent to the site. Locates appropriate

2473
03:22:03,545 --> 03:22:08,305
land uses adjacent to these natural heritage features and also

2474
03:22:08,305 --> 03:22:11,585
incorporating them in parks and open space, which we'll illustrate

2475
03:22:11,585 --> 03:22:16,617
later on. Providing for sustainability measures as well as urban

2476
03:22:16,617 --> 03:22:20,270
design best practices, which we'll also go over. Parks and

2477
03:22:20,270 --> 03:22:24,190
trails connections both within throughout the plan and also in

2478
03:22:24,190 --> 03:22:28,311
the adjacent natural heritage features. Creating a sense of place

2479
03:22:28,311 --> 03:22:32,031
by enhancing views to these natural heritage features as well

2480
03:22:32,031 --> 03:22:37,076
as. The cultural heritage features nearby and ensuring that new

2481
03:22:37,076 --> 03:22:42,471
communities are accessible for all ages and abilities. This is

2482
03:22:42,471 --> 03:22:45,991
the first kind of overview of the land use plan.

2483
03:22:45,991 --> 03:22:49,151
And we'll go step by step in the different elements

2484
03:22:49,151 --> 03:22:52,751
of the plan, starting with a breakdown of the land

2485
03:22:52,751 --> 03:22:57,151
uses, then jumping into the parks and open space structure,

2486
03:22:57,151 --> 03:23:04,026
active transportation structure, the road network. Discussing. The impacts of

2487
03:23:04,026 --> 03:23:08,733
the Norval west bypass. As well as sustainability and location

2488
03:23:08,733 --> 03:23:14,733
of stormwater management features, as well as lastly, incorporation of

2489
03:23:14,733 --> 03:23:20,257
natural heritage features and cultural heritage features. So, firstly, starting

2490
03:23:20,257 --> 03:23:25,483
off with. The local commercial mixed use area that's located.

2491
03:23:27,108 --> 03:23:30,308
Alongside road ten and a portion of road b. You

2492
03:23:30,308 --> 03:23:34,191
could see it in this purple area over here. To

2493
03:23:34,191 --> 03:23:40,591
the south side. This is intended to include. Live work

2494
03:23:40,591 --> 03:23:45,778
units stacked, townhouse dwellings and an apartment. So. Either a

2495
03:23:45,778 --> 03:23:51,541
mixed use structure or a mix of uses. A retail

2496
03:23:51,541 --> 03:23:55,861
commercial needs analysis by tape. Research found that the maximum

2497
03:23:55,861 --> 03:24:01,621
gross leasable floor area should be between 1802,300 m² density

2498
03:24:01,621 --> 03:24:06,227
of 60 to 150 units per hectare. And up to

2499
03:24:06,227 --> 03:24:15,942
eight stories in height. Next, we're illustrating the medium

2500
03:24:15,942 --> 03:24:20,422
density land uses, which take out about. Take up about

2501
03:24:20,422 --> 03:24:26,346
half. Of the study area, as you can see. In

2502
03:24:26,346 --> 03:24:32,114
the orange coloring. This area would include stock townhouses as

2503
03:24:32,114 --> 03:24:35,914
well as back to back townhouses, including all the permitted

2504
03:24:35,914 --> 03:24:40,001
uses in the op policy. Up to a max. Density

2505
03:24:40,001 --> 03:24:44,521
of 80 units per hectare, heights of three to six.

2506
03:24:44,521 --> 03:24:50,142
Up to six. Stories. And using the massing of any

2507
03:24:50,142 --> 03:24:53,662
taller buildings at gateway features such as the entrance to

2508
03:24:53,662 --> 03:24:57,754
the community itself. And collector, road a and 10th line.

2509
03:24:59,536 --> 03:25:02,536
And framing collector roads in general, with some taller built

2510
03:25:02,536 --> 03:25:08,237
form. Low density residential uses are concentrated to more the

2511
03:25:08,237 --> 03:25:10,837
northern portion of the study area or of the community.

2512
03:25:12,352 --> 03:25:18,625
This includes. Singles and stacked. Sorry. Single and semi detached

2513
03:25:18,625 --> 03:25:25,682
housing permitted by the op. The policy D 1.3.1 .1.

2514
03:25:27,391 --> 03:25:29,671
Density of 24 to 30 units per hectare and a

2515
03:25:29,671 --> 03:25:34,153
height of up to three stories. Next, coming into parks

2516
03:25:34,153 --> 03:25:42,071
and open space. We have three different parks. That are

2517
03:25:42,071 --> 03:25:47,351
included within the secondary plan area. This includes a neighborhood

2518
03:25:47,351 --> 03:25:50,831
park on the west side of the Norva west bypass,

2519
03:25:50,831 --> 03:25:54,591
which is the larger central green square you can see

2520
03:25:54,591 --> 03:25:57,151
in the middle. Of the study area as well as

2521
03:25:57,151 --> 03:26:02,704
two parquets, one located along road sea. Again. West of

2522
03:26:02,704 --> 03:26:06,424
the Norva west bypass. You can see there's an arrow.

2523
03:26:06,424 --> 03:26:09,760
And where the road c label is itself. And on

2524
03:26:09,760 --> 03:26:12,560
the east side there is also a parquet, and the

2525
03:26:12,560 --> 03:26:19,348
little plus illustrates the cultural heritage feature. There's a Russell

2526
03:26:19,348 --> 03:26:23,263
farm complex, which I'll mention later on. But the intent

2527
03:26:23,263 --> 03:26:26,423
is that that could be integrated into the design of

2528
03:26:26,423 --> 03:26:31,831
the parquet going forward. In terms of active transportation and

2529
03:26:31,831 --> 03:26:35,591
connection. Throughout this community, there is multiple types of active

2530
03:26:35,591 --> 03:26:40,391
transportation features one of them is a multi use path,

2531
03:26:40,391 --> 03:26:45,183
a three meter wide pathway along. 10th line just on

2532
03:26:45,183 --> 03:26:47,623
the west side of the study area. As you can

2533
03:26:47,623 --> 03:26:52,132
see with the black dashed line. As well as trails

2534
03:26:52,132 --> 03:26:55,516
within the green belt that I had mentioned earlier. That's

2535
03:26:55,516 --> 03:27:00,569
some brown line. That is. On the northeast side of

2536
03:27:00,569 --> 03:27:04,409
the study area, and it connects to Green street over

2537
03:27:04,409 --> 03:27:10,056
the bypass. Lastly, looking at some pedestrian connections, and this

2538
03:27:10,056 --> 03:27:17,813
can take the form of openings. Between. Built form and

2539
03:27:17,813 --> 03:27:22,533
providing access to and from collector roads, sidewalks and parks.

2540
03:27:22,533 --> 03:27:26,413
Internal land uses you can see that? Those highlighted in

2541
03:27:26,413 --> 03:27:31,578
the green arrows. Also connecting over the Norval west bypass.

2542
03:27:33,304 --> 03:27:35,744
In a way that connects the eastern half of the

2543
03:27:35,744 --> 03:27:42,555
community with the western half. Conceptually. The road network is

2544
03:27:42,555 --> 03:27:50,614
also conceptual. It shows three collector road systems. Road a,

2545
03:27:50,614 --> 03:27:55,237
road b and road C. All. Collector roads will provide

2546
03:27:55,237 --> 03:27:57,917
sidewalks from both sides of the streets, and local roads

2547
03:27:57,917 --> 03:28:00,197
can provide sidewalks. On at least one side of the

2548
03:28:00,197 --> 03:28:03,757
street, and we have general policies that speak to street

2549
03:28:03,757 --> 03:28:08,197
trees. Within boulevards, allowing for sufficient soil volume. Having nice

2550
03:28:08,197 --> 03:28:13,628
big tree canopies embedded in the policies. And in the

2551
03:28:13,628 --> 03:28:17,515
plan. Speaking a bit to the Norva west bypass itself.

2552
03:28:21,074 --> 03:28:25,396
It's a future transportation corridor. The final size and alignment

2553
03:28:25,396 --> 03:28:29,676
will be determined by Halton Region. We have policies in

2554
03:28:29,676 --> 03:28:32,436
the secondary plan that state that no development would be

2555
03:28:32,436 --> 03:28:36,796
approved within the bypass. Until the final alignment is determined.

2556
03:28:36,796 --> 03:28:40,636
And also a caveat in those pallet policies that lands

2557
03:28:40,636 --> 03:28:44,927
not required for transportation. Once the alignment is approved, we'll

2558
03:28:44,927 --> 03:28:49,700
assume the adjacent land use designation. Speaking a bit to

2559
03:28:49,700 --> 03:28:54,660
sustainability and stormwater. The secondary plan speaks to promoting stormwater

2560
03:28:54,660 --> 03:28:59,620
best practices. Low impact development features, such as illustrated in

2561
03:28:59,620 --> 03:29:05,854
these pictures here with bioswales. You can see at the

2562
03:29:05,854 --> 03:29:10,377
bottom. Southeast portion of the plan itself. We have a

2563
03:29:10,377 --> 03:29:17,237
conceptual stormwater pond located, and it is located. In the

2564
03:29:17,237 --> 03:29:20,976
area that receives the most drainage. Speaking a bit to

2565
03:29:20,976 --> 03:29:26,336
the existing natural heritage feature. The scope subwatershed study identified

2566
03:29:26,336 --> 03:29:32,876
a vegetation community. You can see that in this purple

2567
03:29:32,876 --> 03:29:37,103
blob. To the northern part of the site. With a

2568
03:29:37,103 --> 03:29:42,469
yellow line. At the bottom. The decision for the wetland

2569
03:29:42,469 --> 03:29:46,792
to be removed and replicated. So that's speaking to that

2570
03:29:46,792 --> 03:29:51,915
blob itself. And it should be guided by future technical

2571
03:29:51,915 --> 03:29:57,755
study following ecosystem offsetting guidelines and approved by the responsible

2572
03:29:57,755 --> 03:30:07,205
authority. Speaking to the cultural heritage features that I mentioned

2573
03:30:07,205 --> 03:30:11,045
earlier on the site. There's the Russell farm complex that

2574
03:30:11,045 --> 03:30:15,445
includes a barn, main residences. This was studied as part

2575
03:30:15,445 --> 03:30:20,257
of the southeast Georgetown secondary plan, study process. We have

2576
03:30:20,257 --> 03:30:24,537
policies that state that the town will consider whether designation

2577
03:30:24,537 --> 03:30:29,346
should be. Pursued for this farm complex. And integrated in

2578
03:30:29,346 --> 03:30:35,234
long term conservation strategy. And heritage impact assessment is required

2579
03:30:35,234 --> 03:30:41,731
to identify conservation and mitigation strategies. As well as determining

2580
03:30:41,731 --> 03:30:45,491
how this complex can be integrated into the parquet that

2581
03:30:45,491 --> 03:30:48,651
I mentioned earlier. On the east side of the bypass.

2582
03:30:50,078 --> 03:30:54,118
Jumping into some key urban design guidelines that we have

2583
03:30:54,118 --> 03:30:59,158
prepared, including, again, sustainable design features that are key to

2584
03:30:59,158 --> 03:31:05,012
this plan, such as ensuring. There's a range of low

2585
03:31:05,012 --> 03:31:09,852
impact development features, no mo zones, for example, adequate topsoil

2586
03:31:09,852 --> 03:31:14,652
volume to allow those large canopies to flourish, ensuring enough

2587
03:31:14,652 --> 03:31:18,492
soil volume for each tree. Implementing again, low impact development

2588
03:31:18,492 --> 03:31:22,372
features or having options to implement those features such as

2589
03:31:22,372 --> 03:31:26,142
green roofs or light roofs. Including other sustainable features such

2590
03:31:26,142 --> 03:31:29,262
as trees and parking lots to help with shade. In

2591
03:31:29,262 --> 03:31:33,334
terms of the design of the public realm. Forwarding the

2592
03:31:33,334 --> 03:31:39,311
town's direction. To complete it in a complete streets approach

2593
03:31:39,311 --> 03:31:43,111
short street and block sizes to encourage walking and connection

2594
03:31:43,111 --> 03:31:50,536
throughout the community. Addressing gateways and key intersections. As illustrated

2595
03:31:50,536 --> 03:31:55,517
earlier on. With gateway features such as public art, flowering

2596
03:31:55,517 --> 03:31:59,477
trees, taller buildings at those intersections that I mentioned earlier.

2597
03:32:00,549 --> 03:32:05,542
Preserving views to the Russell Farm complex. Is another integral

2598
03:32:05,542 --> 03:32:10,464
part of the public realm design. And should help secure

2599
03:32:10,464 --> 03:32:12,264
an idea of a sense of place in this area

2600
03:32:12,264 --> 03:32:17,150
and then also ensuring. Guidelines for Septen, which is crime

2601
03:32:17,150 --> 03:32:22,661
prevention through environmental design principles. In terms of the design

2602
03:32:22,661 --> 03:32:28,022
of the private realm. Including guidelines such as front doors

2603
03:32:28,022 --> 03:32:31,062
of building facing the main roads, such as collector road

2604
03:32:31,062 --> 03:32:34,262
b and ten side road with active uses along the

2605
03:32:34,262 --> 03:32:39,347
streets. Having guidelines that call for high quality, durable, energy

2606
03:32:39,347 --> 03:32:42,467
efficient building materials. Again, trying to hone in on those

2607
03:32:42,467 --> 03:32:48,912
sustainability policies. Incorporating lid features that align to the town's

2608
03:32:48,912 --> 03:32:54,358
green development standards. Using something like a 45 degree angular

2609
03:32:54,358 --> 03:33:00,055
plane to ensure transition. Is achieved. You're not having really

2610
03:33:00,055 --> 03:33:05,752
tall buildings right next to really short buildings. And. Creating

2611
03:33:05,752 --> 03:33:11,039
more of those active frontages with outdoor patios. Spill out

2612
03:33:11,039 --> 03:33:14,119
space within these areas in the private realm and then

2613
03:33:14,119 --> 03:33:16,719
ensuring that things like parking are located at the rear

2614
03:33:16,719 --> 03:33:20,479
of the building, so you maintain that active frontage along

2615
03:33:20,479 --> 03:33:24,935
the main streets. In terms of the status of technical

2616
03:33:24,935 --> 03:33:28,415
studies, a majority of the studies have been completed, including

2617
03:33:28,415 --> 03:33:32,695
the preferred land use alternative report Urban design memo, which

2618
03:33:32,695 --> 03:33:38,375
is the guidelines? Cultural heritage resource assessment, fiscal, agricultural impact

2619
03:33:38,375 --> 03:33:43,998
assessment transportation report, as well as. The scopes of watershed

2620
03:33:43,998 --> 03:33:47,518
study and the area servicing plan is still in progress.

2621
03:33:48,908 --> 03:33:55,200
And that's pretty much the presentation. As Josh mentioned, a

2622
03:33:55,200 --> 03:34:01,153
recommendation report should be prepared by early 2025. Any comments

2623
03:34:01,153 --> 03:34:05,408
that we receive from. This statutory public meeting will be

2624
03:34:05,408 --> 03:34:13,936
reviewed and addressed. For the upcoming term. Thank you.

2625
03:34:16,399 --> 03:34:22,988
There you go. Thank you. That's very helpful. It is

2626
03:34:22,988 --> 03:34:29,268
now the public's opportunity. And so I would ask if

2627
03:34:29,268 --> 03:34:34,188
there are any persons who have questions require further clarification.

2628
03:34:34,188 --> 03:34:38,299
Or information. Or wish to present their views on the

2629
03:34:38,299 --> 03:34:42,579
proposed official plan amendment. If you are assigned in via

2630
03:34:42,579 --> 03:34:45,739
zoom. Please raise your hand by clicking on the raise

2631
03:34:45,739 --> 03:34:50,219
my hand button, typically on the bottom right side of

2632
03:34:50,219 --> 03:34:53,339
your panel or if you join the meeting by phone.

2633
03:34:54,673 --> 03:34:59,153
Press star nine to raise your hand and staff will

2634
03:34:59,153 --> 03:35:02,553
permit you to unmute yourself when it is your turn

2635
03:35:02,553 --> 03:35:07,525
to speak. So I will ask first if there is

2636
03:35:07,525 --> 03:35:13,410
anyone online. Who is. No. Okay. Are there people in

2637
03:35:13,410 --> 03:35:16,743
the gallery? If you want to make a comment on

2638
03:35:16,743 --> 03:35:21,402
this or ask a question, please raise your hand. And

2639
03:35:21,402 --> 03:35:31,275
then come to the podium. Hello. Okay. Would you please

2640
03:35:31,275 --> 03:35:34,555
give your name and address? Yes, certainly. My name is

2641
03:35:34,555 --> 03:35:38,035
Heidi Noyes. And I'm that. 69 Gollip Crescent. My name

2642
03:35:38,035 --> 03:35:42,355
is Susan Forrester. I'm. At 67 gallup present. And I'm

2643
03:35:42,355 --> 03:35:46,969
Cammy Pierce, and I'm at 63 Gallup Crescent. Okay. So

2644
03:35:46,969 --> 03:35:50,839
you're doing this together? You don't get five minute seat

2645
03:35:50,839 --> 03:35:56,209
each, necessarily, but. If you could address your comments in

2646
03:35:56,209 --> 03:36:01,036
five minutes, that would be great. Thank you. So maybe

2647
03:36:01,036 --> 03:36:04,756
I'll start, and then if anyone has anything to add.

2648
03:36:04,756 --> 03:36:07,836
So thank you very. Much for your consideration. We wanted

2649
03:36:07,836 --> 03:36:09,716
to mention a couple of things that we wanted on

2650
03:36:09,716 --> 03:36:16,931
the record. We know that your team has been very

2651
03:36:16,931 --> 03:36:19,771
supportive of us, and they've listened to our concerns. They

2652
03:36:19,771 --> 03:36:23,411
responded to our emails. We've had meetings, including yourself, so

2653
03:36:23,411 --> 03:36:26,421
for that, we want to. Thank you very much. We

2654
03:36:26,421 --> 03:36:30,474
did have a couple of comments about. The secondary plan

2655
03:36:30,474 --> 03:36:33,874
that we noticed when it came in, some of us

2656
03:36:33,874 --> 03:36:38,000
were not able to attend. The last meeting. Should I

2657
03:36:38,000 --> 03:36:43,313
just list them? Okay, great. So, first of all, the

2658
03:36:43,313 --> 03:36:46,073
wetlands are a bit of a concern for us because

2659
03:36:46,073 --> 03:36:51,306
these are wetlands. Like the farmer never. They still are

2660
03:36:51,306 --> 03:36:55,226
not farmed because it is a wetland, and I understand

2661
03:36:55,226 --> 03:37:01,505
that they're going to relocate. In the corner, but. I

2662
03:37:01,505 --> 03:37:04,705
think as a sustainable community that cares about their environment.

2663
03:37:06,430 --> 03:37:09,350
Why are we actually taking away from that original wetland?

2664
03:37:09,350 --> 03:37:15,472
So I think. That would be for everyone's consideration. We

2665
03:37:15,472 --> 03:37:18,432
all back out onto that property, and I'm sure you

2666
03:37:18,432 --> 03:37:27,479
can appreciate. We have multiple animals. Deers, coyotes, ducks. All

2667
03:37:27,479 --> 03:37:33,010
sorts of wildlife that use. That wetland, so. We'd like

2668
03:37:33,010 --> 03:37:34,570
to, for you guys to consider to keep it, make

2669
03:37:34,570 --> 03:37:40,061
it into a parquet. Park, whatever. You can do. We

2670
03:37:40,061 --> 03:37:47,763
did notice. As part of your vision, and I'm not

2671
03:37:47,763 --> 03:37:50,283
sure where it is on the website, but. You do

2672
03:37:50,283 --> 03:37:55,386
speak about building, like, for, like, homes. We appreciate that

2673
03:37:55,386 --> 03:37:57,386
people have really looked at and owned in on these

2674
03:37:57,386 --> 03:38:05,019
drawings. And are having. Single dwelling homes. South. Is that

2675
03:38:05,019 --> 03:38:09,081
south? No. North of Danby Road. I need to learn

2676
03:38:09,081 --> 03:38:14,041
my north and south here. North of Danby. Road, but.

2677
03:38:16,043 --> 03:38:18,443
In the provisions, it does state that there is three.

2678
03:38:20,016 --> 03:38:25,065
Stories. To be allowed. As well as semidetach. I know

2679
03:38:25,065 --> 03:38:27,745
the builder is here and he spoke with us. Already,

2680
03:38:27,745 --> 03:38:33,438
and we appreciate his voice. But we do want it

2681
03:38:33,438 --> 03:38:37,838
noted that we do want, like, for, like, houses to

2682
03:38:37,838 --> 03:38:44,579
be. Single, detached, two story houses. And no semi, so

2683
03:38:44,579 --> 03:38:48,783
we're asking for that to be included. Into our town

2684
03:38:48,783 --> 03:38:52,058
vision. And for that to be included in the drawings.

2685
03:38:53,812 --> 03:38:57,252
And then the last thing that I have is behind

2686
03:38:57,252 --> 03:39:02,850
us, we have a green belt. When we originally came

2687
03:39:02,850 --> 03:39:05,130
to Councillor, we talked about that we would be able

2688
03:39:05,130 --> 03:39:09,410
to maintain that green belt as well as the trees

2689
03:39:09,410 --> 03:39:11,850
that are there. They're historic trees. They've been trees that

2690
03:39:11,850 --> 03:39:18,268
we've planted. It is a beautiful area. In this drawing.

2691
03:39:19,729 --> 03:39:22,529
For everyone who. I don't know if we want to

2692
03:39:22,529 --> 03:39:26,969
note this, but just for those records. It does show

2693
03:39:26,969 --> 03:39:31,569
that there is a multi use trail that goes behind.

2694
03:39:33,062 --> 03:39:36,996
The six, seven houses on Gollip, but. It just ends.

2695
03:39:38,483 --> 03:39:41,283
There's no purpose for it. And that's actually not what

2696
03:39:41,283 --> 03:39:45,443
we spoke about during the original meeting, so we would

2697
03:39:45,443 --> 03:39:51,951
like to ask that. This multi use. Path. Be behind

2698
03:39:51,951 --> 03:39:57,626
the green belt. Be reconsidered. Yes, please. Okay, go ahead.

2699
03:39:59,640 --> 03:40:02,640
So the point we were making is that when you

2700
03:40:02,640 --> 03:40:05,920
look at the trail system coming from Green, street going

2701
03:40:05,920 --> 03:40:11,845
right through. The green space in behind the proposed development

2702
03:40:11,845 --> 03:40:16,840
area. It comes up. At the top of the field.

2703
03:40:18,761 --> 03:40:24,340
And ends, but the trailhead is right. At Argar World

2704
03:40:24,340 --> 03:40:30,220
and 10th line. So if a trailhead is starting there,

2705
03:40:30,220 --> 03:40:32,700
it makes no sense to have, we feel makes no

2706
03:40:32,700 --> 03:40:37,876
sense to have a multipurpose path. That's paved behind there

2707
03:40:37,876 --> 03:40:43,846
instead. Have that strip of land. The trail continue. So

2708
03:40:43,846 --> 03:40:46,366
the existing trails, now that we have that go off

2709
03:40:46,366 --> 03:40:52,766
of goodterham. It's all that crushed stone. And it's basically

2710
03:40:52,766 --> 03:40:58,135
for walkers and people on their bicycles, not. A multipurpose

2711
03:40:58,135 --> 03:41:02,575
pathway like on 8th line with a wide strip of

2712
03:41:02,575 --> 03:41:05,495
paved area plus lighting. And all the rest that we

2713
03:41:05,495 --> 03:41:09,855
want it for the trail to continue up around there

2714
03:41:09,855 --> 03:41:14,955
and down. To the trailhead. And then. Have the traffic

2715
03:41:14,955 --> 03:41:19,615
barrier. At the bottom of the trail here head there

2716
03:41:19,615 --> 03:41:23,335
is just to allow for pedestrians and anybody who wants

2717
03:41:23,335 --> 03:41:29,498
to access it with their bicycle. But. Not this huge

2718
03:41:29,498 --> 03:41:34,978
thing. And also, the trail that exists meanders naturally through

2719
03:41:34,978 --> 03:41:38,170
the existing trees. No matter where you go on the

2720
03:41:38,170 --> 03:41:43,395
trail system, which is so beautiful, through Georgetown. So. That's

2721
03:41:43,395 --> 03:41:47,249
what we're looking for. In that strip there for the

2722
03:41:47,249 --> 03:41:52,998
trail to continue as it is everywhere else, not. A

2723
03:41:52,998 --> 03:41:56,878
big, paved multipurpose, and it is a very small area

2724
03:41:56,878 --> 03:42:02,940
that we're talking about. And. If I may. My husband

2725
03:42:02,940 --> 03:42:05,460
and I are original owners, so we've been in that

2726
03:42:05,460 --> 03:42:12,253
house from day one. Watch being built 31 years. And

2727
03:42:12,253 --> 03:42:17,940
that whole strip of land behind. The builder originally then

2728
03:42:17,940 --> 03:42:23,107
had left this huge mound of topsoil. And the neighbors

2729
03:42:23,107 --> 03:42:26,827
all spread it. We threw grass seed. We've maintained that

2730
03:42:26,827 --> 03:42:32,487
land for 31. Years. We mow it every week. There's

2731
03:42:32,487 --> 03:42:36,122
no weeds back there. It is beautiful. People come there

2732
03:42:36,122 --> 03:42:40,085
to walk their dogs, so. It's already a beautiful natural

2733
03:42:40,085 --> 03:42:43,561
pathway for. Yeah, and there is a Marsha back there.

2734
03:42:45,149 --> 03:42:48,389
So we would really want to make that point that.

2735
03:42:50,053 --> 03:42:53,858
Stays as natural as possible. So I think we're good.

2736
03:42:57,574 --> 03:43:02,938
Did you have something else? No. I'm supporting that. So

2737
03:43:02,938 --> 03:43:05,898
they spoke wonderfully, and I'm pleased with that. Okay. Thanks

2738
03:43:05,898 --> 03:43:15,891
very much. Okay. Thank you. Hi there.

2739
03:43:15,891 --> 03:43:18,931
My name is. Good evening, Wilson. I'm at ten two

2740
03:43:18,931 --> 03:43:22,371
four eight, 10th line. So I'm literally the last house

2741
03:43:22,371 --> 03:43:27,782
on 10th line before the Argyle bend. The question that

2742
03:43:27,782 --> 03:43:30,685
I have. And I'm not sure if it was ever

2743
03:43:30,685 --> 03:43:36,945
clarified, but right across the street from us. There's mature

2744
03:43:36,945 --> 03:43:41,025
trees in a line all the way along tent line,

2745
03:43:41,025 --> 03:43:43,585
and I don't. Know what's going to happen with those

2746
03:43:43,585 --> 03:43:46,959
trees, whether. They're going to be. A truck one day

2747
03:43:46,959 --> 03:43:49,799
is going to come by and totally destroy all of

2748
03:43:49,799 --> 03:43:52,719
that, or if it's going to be a multi path

2749
03:43:52,719 --> 03:43:56,599
that I've heard which was going to happen. I just

2750
03:43:56,599 --> 03:43:59,439
would like to have it clarified if those trees are

2751
03:43:59,439 --> 03:44:03,981
staying or if. They're going and if they're going. I

2752
03:44:03,981 --> 03:44:08,021
really don't want to have condos of six to eight

2753
03:44:08,021 --> 03:44:11,686
stories right in front. Of my house. So if anybody

2754
03:44:11,686 --> 03:44:17,251
could clarify that, that would be wonderful. Thank you. So.

2755
03:44:19,463 --> 03:44:21,863
I'm going to ask that everyone who has a comment

2756
03:44:21,863 --> 03:44:25,183
to come up and make it. Or their question. And

2757
03:44:25,183 --> 03:44:34,955
then after that, staff. Or. The consultant will

2758
03:44:34,955 --> 03:44:38,395
provide some of those answers. Okay, are there any other

2759
03:44:38,395 --> 03:44:41,475
members of the public who have a comment to make.

2760
03:44:48,574 --> 03:44:51,734
Sorry. One of the other things that, besides what's right

2761
03:44:51,734 --> 03:44:58,425
behind us is the bypass. As a community. These group

2762
03:44:58,425 --> 03:45:03,012
of neighbors and other people we've been talking to. Can't

2763
03:45:03,012 --> 03:45:08,732
see the logic of this bypass when people who are

2764
03:45:08,732 --> 03:45:12,902
going to go to Brampton. Are still going to go

2765
03:45:12,902 --> 03:45:18,889
through Norville. And they take this bypass and hit. 10th

2766
03:45:18,889 --> 03:45:23,299
side road and to go. Where? The logic of that.

2767
03:45:28,348 --> 03:45:33,756
That's a huge cost. And. We just don't understand the

2768
03:45:33,756 --> 03:45:39,514
logic behind this bypass. That's a question that staff may

2769
03:45:39,514 --> 03:45:45,962
be able to make reference to generally. Good afternoon. My

2770
03:45:45,962 --> 03:45:48,482
name is artist Snow and I live at 63 Gallup

2771
03:45:48,482 --> 03:45:57,017
Crescent. In your plan. It actually said that? The plan

2772
03:45:57,017 --> 03:46:00,537
itself wouldn't be approved until the bypass is approved. Am

2773
03:46:00,537 --> 03:46:03,777
I reading that correctly? Or is that being presented in

2774
03:46:03,777 --> 03:46:08,026
that way? Because I'm thinking that there's going to be

2775
03:46:08,026 --> 03:46:12,266
a vote on this plan, but. In your presentation, it

2776
03:46:12,266 --> 03:46:16,862
actually said that? The plan wouldn't be approved until the

2777
03:46:16,862 --> 03:46:20,382
bypass is approved, so I would like somebody to clarify

2778
03:46:20,382 --> 03:46:24,753
that also, please. I think staff will be able to

2779
03:46:24,753 --> 03:46:29,819
reference. That. Are there any others who have a comment

2780
03:46:29,819 --> 03:46:37,384
or question? Okay. Thank you very much then, Mr. Salzbury,

2781
03:46:37,384 --> 03:46:42,582
your turn again. I'm going to be asking a few

2782
03:46:42,582 --> 03:46:45,673
different people to come up. I guess there's a couple

2783
03:46:45,673 --> 03:46:51,673
that I can answer right off the top. With regards

2784
03:46:51,673 --> 03:47:00,702
to. The bypass. So that policy itself. Is underneath. I

2785
03:47:00,702 --> 03:47:04,038
guess we don't have the image up there. I can't

2786
03:47:04,038 --> 03:47:06,798
really see this, but on the land use plan that

2787
03:47:06,798 --> 03:47:12,107
we have, you'll. Notice underneath where. There's this. There it

2788
03:47:12,107 --> 03:47:16,888
is. Okay. Yeah, we can go with that. So where

2789
03:47:16,888 --> 03:47:21,574
you see that hatched? Area of where it's the proposed

2790
03:47:21,574 --> 03:47:25,174
Norval west bypass route. If you notice how there's colors

2791
03:47:25,174 --> 03:47:27,734
underneath that. So you'll see that orange you see, the

2792
03:47:27,734 --> 03:47:30,694
purple you see. The green for the park. So what

2793
03:47:30,694 --> 03:47:33,294
that means is that, and we have policy within the

2794
03:47:33,294 --> 03:47:37,654
draft. Secondary plan that whenever the region has decided their

2795
03:47:37,654 --> 03:47:40,314
final design and where and how they're going? To build

2796
03:47:40,314 --> 03:47:43,994
it that those areas underneath that hatching that are that

2797
03:47:43,994 --> 03:47:47,114
color of land use designation. That they will then be

2798
03:47:47,114 --> 03:47:49,274
able to be built as that land use designation. We

2799
03:47:49,274 --> 03:47:52,274
just have to wait until the region has decided what

2800
03:47:52,274 --> 03:47:54,394
that road is actually going to look like, but that

2801
03:47:54,394 --> 03:47:57,034
doesn't prevent this secondary plan from being able to be

2802
03:47:57,034 --> 03:47:59,354
passed. We just have to wait and see the final

2803
03:47:59,354 --> 03:48:02,280
design. From the region, but that's what that is, so

2804
03:48:02,280 --> 03:48:07,237
I hope that helps with clarification. Perfect. In terms of.

2805
03:48:09,763 --> 03:48:13,523
Another question that we had with regards to the trail,

2806
03:48:13,523 --> 03:48:18,834
so that's. The one that was referenced just north of

2807
03:48:18,834 --> 03:48:24,738
Argyle on ten line there. So. This just proves that

2808
03:48:24,738 --> 03:48:28,018
sometimes municipalities work really quickly. I was able to talk

2809
03:48:28,018 --> 03:48:31,218
to one of our transportation guys, and he confirmed that

2810
03:48:31,218 --> 03:48:34,714
that was actually an incorrect. Dotted line that was put

2811
03:48:34,714 --> 03:48:37,114
up there, so there's. I don't know who to. Speak

2812
03:48:37,114 --> 03:48:40,091
to. So there's not actually. A plan for that multi

2813
03:48:40,091 --> 03:48:43,886
use path to go that far north anyways. So thank

2814
03:48:43,886 --> 03:48:46,726
you all for actually pointing that out, because that's really

2815
03:48:46,726 --> 03:48:48,446
good thing for us. To know about. And that's the

2816
03:48:48,446 --> 03:48:50,366
point of meetings like this is stuff like that to

2817
03:48:50,366 --> 03:48:57,041
get determined. That's excellent. Next I'm going to ask regarding

2818
03:48:57,041 --> 03:49:01,481
the wetland question I'm going to ask Aaron. To come

2819
03:49:01,481 --> 03:49:04,801
up. He's one of the engineers that is dealing with

2820
03:49:04,801 --> 03:49:08,081
the servicing and water. Engineer, I guess, is the best

2821
03:49:08,081 --> 03:49:17,431
way to describe. Thank you, Josh. Good evening, Madam Mayor,

2822
03:49:17,431 --> 03:49:22,913
members of council. Just to maybe clarify. My role and

2823
03:49:22,913 --> 03:49:27,354
my credentials. I was the project manager, project engineer, and

2824
03:49:27,354 --> 03:49:31,554
water resources engineer for the scopes of watershed study. Which

2825
03:49:31,554 --> 03:49:36,274
was the multidisciplinary environmental study undertaken in support of the

2826
03:49:36,274 --> 03:49:40,274
overall secondary plan. We did have an ecologist on our

2827
03:49:40,274 --> 03:49:46,448
team, Steve Hill from Dugan and associates. And with respect

2828
03:49:46,448 --> 03:49:50,901
to the full. Technical rationale and support. If there's further

2829
03:49:50,901 --> 03:49:55,355
questions. We can certainly reach out to Steve for some

2830
03:49:55,355 --> 03:49:59,755
further clarification, but at this point, I can speak to

2831
03:49:59,755 --> 03:50:03,035
my understanding in the context again, as my role in

2832
03:50:03,035 --> 03:50:08,218
that project. The comments with respect to the wetland. There

2833
03:50:08,218 --> 03:50:12,928
was fundamentally a question. Why was wetland being removed? And

2834
03:50:12,928 --> 03:50:18,168
some questions about the rationale for bringing it into the

2835
03:50:18,168 --> 03:50:23,922
location. Toward the north limit in that one corner. But

2836
03:50:23,922 --> 03:50:29,020
also some comments about. The fauna in the area. And

2837
03:50:29,020 --> 03:50:33,575
a suggestion to incorporate into a parquet. So first to

2838
03:50:33,575 --> 03:50:38,101
speak to the rationale about. Why? To move it. From

2839
03:50:38,101 --> 03:50:42,181
the work that Dugan and associates completed, they found that

2840
03:50:42,181 --> 03:50:46,889
the wetland is rather isolated from the broader system. We

2841
03:50:46,889 --> 03:50:52,772
have surrounding the site. The Silver Creek main branch and

2842
03:50:52,772 --> 03:50:57,606
portions of the credit main branch. By contrast, the wetland

2843
03:50:57,606 --> 03:51:02,744
itself is toward the middle of the property. So localized

2844
03:51:02,744 --> 03:51:08,022
within. The agricultural lands. And it's the opinion of our

2845
03:51:08,022 --> 03:51:11,502
ecologists that it would be more sustainable to have the

2846
03:51:11,502 --> 03:51:16,422
wetland right adjacent to the silver creek, right adjacent to

2847
03:51:16,422 --> 03:51:20,562
that broader system. It's got a better chance of survival

2848
03:51:20,562 --> 03:51:23,602
fundamentally. And you can see just from this graphic it's

2849
03:51:23,602 --> 03:51:27,362
to where the top. It's that kind of purple triangle

2850
03:51:27,362 --> 03:51:32,027
that you can. See on the land use plan. So

2851
03:51:32,027 --> 03:51:35,187
that was the rationale for moving it. It's to put

2852
03:51:35,187 --> 03:51:38,435
it in a location. Where it has got a better

2853
03:51:38,435 --> 03:51:44,388
chance of really thriving. And surviving. With respect to the

2854
03:51:44,388 --> 03:51:51,392
comment about. The fauna in the area. The fauna. Largely

2855
03:51:51,392 --> 03:51:55,152
using, again, those broader systems. So it's moving that feature

2856
03:51:55,152 --> 03:52:00,701
toward. Where? The animals are going to be using it

2857
03:52:00,701 --> 03:52:02,781
and where they're actually going to be in a safer

2858
03:52:02,781 --> 03:52:05,021
position and moved away from a lot of the traffic

2859
03:52:05,021 --> 03:52:08,342
that would be going on through. There. The suggestion that

2860
03:52:08,342 --> 03:52:12,302
was put forward about incorporating the wetland into a parquet.

2861
03:52:13,927 --> 03:52:17,787
It's an interesting suggestion. And what we have put forward

2862
03:52:17,787 --> 03:52:20,947
in the scopes of watershed study is a recommendation, and

2863
03:52:20,947 --> 03:52:25,147
the rationale, but there are requirements for further studying and

2864
03:52:25,147 --> 03:52:29,397
assessment as part of the next stages of planning. So

2865
03:52:29,397 --> 03:52:32,117
through those next stages of planning, there is the opportunity

2866
03:52:32,117 --> 03:52:35,397
to review other alternatives for the ultimate management of this

2867
03:52:35,397 --> 03:52:39,237
feature. There's a recommendation put forward by our team, but

2868
03:52:39,237 --> 03:52:42,557
there's certainly other options that can be investigated and explored

2869
03:52:42,557 --> 03:52:45,827
at the next stages. I hope that answers the question.

2870
03:52:47,535 --> 03:52:52,455
Is the conservation authority involved in this study. So the

2871
03:52:52,455 --> 03:52:54,455
question that was put forward is whether or not the

2872
03:52:54,455 --> 03:53:03,912
conservation authority is involved, and the answer is yes. And

2873
03:53:03,912 --> 03:53:07,704
they think it'll survive moving it. So the question is

2874
03:53:07,704 --> 03:53:10,384
whether or not the conservation authority is in agreement with

2875
03:53:10,384 --> 03:53:15,391
our recommendations and findings. And my understanding is yes, the

2876
03:53:15,391 --> 03:53:17,951
conservation authority has not voiced any disagreement.

2877
03:53:25,488 --> 03:53:28,128
All right. Thanks, Aaron. So there's a couple of other

2878
03:53:28,128 --> 03:53:31,008
questions that were asked as well. That. I just want

2879
03:53:31,008 --> 03:53:39,991
to provide some comment to. First one being. The building

2880
03:53:39,991 --> 03:53:43,631
lake for lake houses and the two stories, no semis.

2881
03:53:43,631 --> 03:53:48,446
So. That's good information to receive from the public. And

2882
03:53:48,446 --> 03:53:52,801
as we're finalizing the final. Secondary plan itself. We do

2883
03:53:52,801 --> 03:53:57,057
take. Those comments into consideration. We're all sitting at the

2884
03:53:57,057 --> 03:53:58,497
last table, I guess is the best. Way to put

2885
03:53:58,497 --> 03:54:01,137
it. To figure out what the strap or what this

2886
03:54:01,137 --> 03:54:02,977
final plan is going to. Look like, so I do.

2887
03:54:02,977 --> 03:54:06,497
Thank you guys for those comments. There was another comment

2888
03:54:06,497 --> 03:54:10,763
about what was the logic behind the bypass? Just for

2889
03:54:10,763 --> 03:54:13,963
clarity, and I'm sure you understand the background of what's

2890
03:54:13,963 --> 03:54:16,403
going on. With the bypass. So that's something that the

2891
03:54:16,403 --> 03:54:19,963
region has determined has to go in this particular location.

2892
03:54:21,602 --> 03:54:24,842
They're continuing to run studies to determine the final design

2893
03:54:24,842 --> 03:54:27,602
and the feasibility for any other sort of connections that

2894
03:54:27,602 --> 03:54:30,682
they believe are going to help for traffic to flow

2895
03:54:30,682 --> 03:54:34,513
better, that's the best explanation we've really been given. But

2896
03:54:34,513 --> 03:54:38,033
unfortunately, we don't have anything really to add in addition

2897
03:54:38,033 --> 03:54:40,985
to that. We can happily take your questions and I

2898
03:54:40,985 --> 03:54:46,095
can certainly forward them onto the region. But. That's the

2899
03:54:46,095 --> 03:54:47,255
best answer that we can give right now for the

2900
03:54:47,255 --> 03:54:52,066
bypass. And the last question that I did take down

2901
03:54:52,066 --> 03:54:55,386
here, it was to do with the mature trees. That

2902
03:54:55,386 --> 03:54:58,746
are along ten line. I believe it was 10th line

2903
03:54:58,746 --> 03:55:02,929
there. Specifically across the more southern part of 10th line.

2904
03:55:02,929 --> 03:55:07,249
I'm going to ask one of our transportation coordinators, Ivan,

2905
03:55:07,249 --> 03:55:08,689
to come up to speak to that in the multi

2906
03:55:08,689 --> 03:55:18,011
use path. Madam mayor and councillor. So when we do

2907
03:55:18,011 --> 03:55:20,491
the design of the multiuse path through the design. We'll

2908
03:55:20,491 --> 03:55:21,731
preserve the trees as much as we can.

2909
03:55:31,534 --> 03:55:33,774
Okay. Yeah, that's it from our end. So I'm not

2910
03:55:33,774 --> 03:55:37,094
sure if there's. Any other comments or questions, but we're

2911
03:55:37,094 --> 03:55:40,934
here, and I can give anybody my contact. Details after

2912
03:55:40,934 --> 03:55:42,774
we're done here today. If you have any further questions

2913
03:55:42,774 --> 03:55:47,587
or you want to. Talk further, anything like that. It

2914
03:55:47,587 --> 03:55:52,658
is on the record. About the mature treat. Like, just

2915
03:55:52,658 --> 03:55:55,698
say we'll do the best we can, but we just.

2916
03:55:55,698 --> 03:55:58,778
Want to notice. Those are all mature trees that have

2917
03:55:58,778 --> 03:56:02,620
been there a long time, and it is. Big barrier.

2918
03:56:06,777 --> 03:56:13,769
And across the street from where? Your business. And when

2919
03:56:13,769 --> 03:56:19,011
you have trees. Are massive. It just creates this wall.

2920
03:56:20,511 --> 03:56:23,991
I believe there. I want to retire there. I don't

2921
03:56:23,991 --> 03:56:28,431
want to see condos. I'm sorry. I really don't. And

2922
03:56:28,431 --> 03:56:31,271
I know you'll be the best. You can. I do

2923
03:56:31,271 --> 03:56:37,072
understand that. But if it was your house. You'd want

2924
03:56:37,072 --> 03:56:39,632
to do absolutely the best you can. And I just

2925
03:56:39,632 --> 03:56:44,021
want to voice my opinion and the neighbors do. That.

2926
03:56:45,683 --> 03:56:49,946
We would like it to be considered. All right, thank

2927
03:56:49,946 --> 03:56:51,746
you, ma'am. Yeah. Thank you very much for that comment.

2928
03:56:51,746 --> 03:56:55,226
We do appreciate it. Commissioner Andrews, did you have some

2929
03:56:55,226 --> 03:56:58,546
comments? Yeah, go ahead, please. Thank you. And through you,

2930
03:56:58,546 --> 03:57:02,826
madam. Mayor, just to radiate what Ivan mentioned, it is

2931
03:57:02,826 --> 03:57:06,116
really early in this process. To really comment on the

2932
03:57:06,116 --> 03:57:08,596
detailed design, what's going to happen there? But concerns are

2933
03:57:08,596 --> 03:57:11,636
noted. We do try to avoid taking down trees whenever

2934
03:57:11,636 --> 03:57:14,356
possible, so it is something we'll take. Very seriously. It's

2935
03:57:14,356 --> 03:57:16,636
just way too early in the process, so we have

2936
03:57:16,636 --> 03:57:19,555
more to come. On that in the future. Also with

2937
03:57:19,555 --> 03:57:22,515
regard to the Norval west bypass, as jaw should noted,

2938
03:57:22,515 --> 03:57:24,875
it is a region project. They're currently in the process

2939
03:57:24,875 --> 03:57:28,275
of finalizing their class EA, so there is an opportunity

2940
03:57:28,275 --> 03:57:31,795
for public to continue to comment on it, but I'll

2941
03:57:31,795 --> 03:57:35,179
also note that. It does look a little bit odd

2942
03:57:35,179 --> 03:57:38,463
at this point in time, but. Consider this to be

2943
03:57:38,463 --> 03:57:40,623
sort of a first phase of a longer term project.

2944
03:57:42,174 --> 03:57:44,654
It is a regional road. And the Winston Churchill is

2945
03:57:44,654 --> 03:57:47,374
also boundary Road with Halton and peele. So there are

2946
03:57:47,374 --> 03:57:50,974
plans in the future for addressing transportation south of ten

2947
03:57:50,974 --> 03:57:54,334
side road that the region will be initiating. It sort

2948
03:57:54,334 --> 03:57:58,197
of goes back to. What we had referred to as

2949
03:57:58,197 --> 03:58:01,821
HP bats, which is sort of to address. The broader

2950
03:58:01,821 --> 03:58:05,061
transportation scheme in that area, sort of north, southeast, west.

2951
03:58:05,061 --> 03:58:06,621
So this is sort of the first phase of it.

2952
03:58:06,621 --> 03:58:08,101
So on its own, it looks a little bit odd,

2953
03:58:08,101 --> 03:58:10,501
but in the fullness of time. It'll make a little

2954
03:58:10,501 --> 03:58:12,581
more sense, but we encourage you to reach out. To

2955
03:58:12,581 --> 03:58:14,981
the region if you do have any concerns, and we're

2956
03:58:14,981 --> 03:58:18,977
happy to pass along any contact information we can. Thank

2957
03:58:18,977 --> 03:58:25,669
you. That's helpful. Okay, so I don't see anything further.

2958
03:58:25,669 --> 03:58:28,549
Ten. Steph, did you have any closing comments? Or anything

2959
03:58:28,549 --> 03:58:35,130
further. Okay, good. All right, then I am going to

2960
03:58:35,130 --> 03:58:40,307
declare. This public meeting closed, Councillor will take no action

2961
03:58:40,307 --> 03:58:44,187
on the proposed official plan amendment for the draft. Southeast

2962
03:58:44,187 --> 03:58:49,347
Georgetown secondary plan tonight. Staff will be reporting at a

2963
03:58:49,347 --> 03:58:54,387
later date with a recommendation for council's. Consideration if you

2964
03:58:54,387 --> 03:58:59,442
wish to receive further information regarding. This project, please. Contact

2965
03:58:59,442 --> 03:59:05,301
planners Melissa Ricci or Josh Salisbury following the meeting. If

2966
03:59:05,301 --> 03:59:08,181
you wish to make a written submission, the deadline for

2967
03:59:08,181 --> 03:59:11,621
comment is December 9, 2024.

2968
03:59:23,867 --> 03:59:27,187
So I have a motion from Councillor Ingles, seconded by

2969
03:59:27,187 --> 03:59:34,027
Councillor Rozinski. That report. PD 20240. Nine five, dated November

2970
03:59:34,027 --> 03:59:39,427
6, 2024. Regarding the statutory public meeting for the draft

2971
03:59:39,427 --> 03:59:48,980
southeast Georget. Georgetown secondary Plan OPA 59, attached as appendices

2972
03:59:48,980 --> 03:59:52,923
a, B and C to this report. Be received. And

2973
03:59:52,923 --> 03:59:57,003
further, that all agency and public comments be referred to

2974
03:59:57,003 --> 04:00:00,723
staff to be addressed in a final recommendation report to

2975
04:00:00,723 --> 04:00:05,787
Councillor on the disposition of these matters. And further the

2976
04:00:05,787 --> 04:00:10,307
Town clerk forward a copy of Report PD 20240. Nine

2977
04:00:10,307 --> 04:00:13,947
five to the ministry. Of municipal affairs and Housing, the

2978
04:00:13,947 --> 04:00:18,267
Region of Holton, Credit Valley conservation and all local school

2979
04:00:18,267 --> 04:00:22,532
boards for information. All in favor? That's carried. Thank you.

2980
04:00:29,523 --> 04:00:31,883
Okay now, and I'm glad to see this one. I

2981
04:00:31,883 --> 04:00:36,203
have a motion from Councillor ingles. Seconded by Councillor Somerville.

2982
04:00:36,203 --> 04:00:39,723
The Councillor do now convene into general committee and I.

2983
04:00:39,723 --> 04:00:42,883
Believe. Councillor Rozinski, you're in the chair. All in favor?

2984
04:00:47,591 --> 04:00:48,191
That's carried.

2985
04:01:16,417 --> 04:01:21,549
Good evening. I recognize it is late in the evening,

2986
04:01:21,549 --> 04:01:23,869
so we will try and keep this as efficient as

2987
04:01:23,869 --> 04:01:31,509
possible. I will begin by. Betting the reports committee will

2988
04:01:31,509 --> 04:01:36,814
begin by biting the reports. First report is report number

2989
04:01:36,814 --> 04:01:45,506
Cs. 20240 30 regarding 2025 personal policy manual.

2990
04:01:47,025 --> 04:01:53,402
Moved by Councillor Summerville. All in favor? Raise. Item b,

2991
04:01:53,402 --> 04:02:03,145
report number CS 2024. 36 regarding 2025 interim taxes. Moved

2992
04:02:03,145 --> 04:02:09,947
by Councillor Hilson. All those in favor? Carried. Report number.

2993
04:02:13,528 --> 04:02:17,688
Cs 20 24 00:37 regarding temporary borrowing of funds to

2994
04:02:17,688 --> 04:02:22,648
meet 2025 current operating expenses moved by Councillor Keane. All

2995
04:02:22,648 --> 04:02:32,588
those in favor? Carried. Report. Numbers. Report number

2996
04:02:32,588 --> 04:02:38,776
d is going to be deferred. Pulled from the agenda.

2997
04:02:38,776 --> 04:02:41,016
Sorry is the correct term. It's been pulled from the

2998
04:02:41,016 --> 04:02:48,376
agenda, so. Item e, report number PD 240 64, regarding

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04:02:48,376 --> 04:02:51,776
the proposed zoning Byla amendment draft plan subdivision to permit.

3000
04:02:51,776 --> 04:02:54,376
28 single detached lots on an extension of Bishop Court

3001
04:02:54,376 --> 04:03:01,464
and Glenn Williams is an automatic. Hold. Report number PD

3002
04:03:01,464 --> 04:03:07,378
20240 70. Regarding intention to designate five key in Georgetown.

3003
04:03:09,193 --> 04:03:15,291
Moved by Councillor Norris. All those in favor? Carried. Report

3004
04:03:15,291 --> 04:03:23,927
number PD 2024. 88 regarding Georgetown Ghost station area, Mill

3005
04:03:23,927 --> 04:03:27,367
street corridor secondary plan review preferred land use plan and

3006
04:03:27,367 --> 04:03:33,496
policy direction is an automatic hold. Report number PD 20240

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04:03:33,496 --> 04:03:37,736
80 regarding proposed official plan and zoning bylaw amendments to

3008
04:03:37,736 --> 04:03:41,256
permit the expansion of an existing self storage facility onto

3009
04:03:41,256 --> 04:03:44,896
13, three, seven, six, highway seven, and the construction of

3010
04:03:44,896 --> 04:03:48,576
two new self storage buildings in additions to existing self

3011
04:03:48,576 --> 04:03:53,361
storage buildings. At 13. Three nine, four and 13. Three

3012
04:03:53,361 --> 04:03:57,511
seven, six. Highway seven. Moved by Councillor Brass. All those

3013
04:03:57,511 --> 04:04:05,075
in favor? Carried. Report number PD 20 24 92 regarding

3014
04:04:05,075 --> 04:04:08,355
award of consulting services for the Gulf street corridor secondary

3015
04:04:08,355 --> 04:04:16,136
plan. Moved by Mayor Lawler. All those in favor?

3016
04:04:18,183 --> 04:04:24,150
Carrying. Report number PD 20 24 94 regarding Heritage Halton

3017
04:04:24,150 --> 04:04:29,788
Hill's recommendations for prioritized research and evaluation. Moved by Councillor

3018
04:04:29,788 --> 04:04:37,173
Somerville. All those in favor? Carried. Report number PD 20240.

3019
04:04:37,173 --> 04:04:43,731
Nine three. Regarding additional residential units. Moved by Councillor Albano.

3020
04:04:43,731 --> 04:04:51,869
All those in favor? Carried. Report number. TPW 20 24

3021
04:04:51,869 --> 04:04:57,514
00:25 regarding uniform traffic control bylaw schedule amendment. Go ahead,

3022
04:04:57,514 --> 04:05:02,877
Councillor Albano. Thank you much, Mr. Chair. I just want

3023
04:05:02,877 --> 04:05:05,997
to thank staff for acting so quickly bringing this report.

3024
04:05:05,997 --> 04:05:09,797
Forward. I know that I mentioned this in the summer,

3025
04:05:09,797 --> 04:05:14,597
and I'm happy to see this. Happening now. With the

3026
04:05:14,597 --> 04:05:18,677
construction going down Acton, down Mill street, it'd be great

3027
04:05:18,677 --> 04:05:20,797
to have a couple. Of new parking spots. So I

3028
04:05:20,797 --> 04:05:24,317
appreciate the quick response and thank you to staff. Thank

3029
04:05:24,317 --> 04:05:27,488
you, Mr. Chair. And would you like to move that

3030
04:05:27,488 --> 04:05:30,008
to Councillor Habino? I'd be happy to move. It. And

3031
04:05:30,008 --> 04:05:37,732
all those in favor? Carried. All right. So the first

3032
04:05:37,732 --> 04:05:41,452
report on the agenda, that was automatic cold item e.

3033
04:05:45,471 --> 04:05:50,691
Report number PD 2024. Okay, we're actually going to move

3034
04:05:50,691 --> 04:05:53,411
item g forward to go first, if that's all right

3035
04:05:53,411 --> 04:06:02,831
with council. And then, so said Jackie, planning. On. Report

3036
04:06:02,831 --> 04:06:08,791
number PD 240 88, with opening remarks by Keith Hamilton,

3037
04:06:08,791 --> 04:06:18,397
senior planner. Good afternoon. I should say good evening now.

3038
04:06:24,655 --> 04:06:29,035
Madam mayor and Councillor today. We're here. And we've reached

3039
04:06:29,035 --> 04:06:32,235
a milestone in the Georgetown Go station area mill. Street

3040
04:06:32,235 --> 04:06:36,125
corridor secondary plan review project. Where we are prepared to

3041
04:06:36,125 --> 04:06:38,605
present to you a preferred land use plan for the

3042
04:06:38,605 --> 04:06:43,509
area. The existing secondary plan was adopted in 2010 through

3043
04:06:43,509 --> 04:06:48,077
local. Official plan amendment seven, which established land use designations

3044
04:06:48,077 --> 04:06:51,077
and policies for the Georgetown go station area in Mill

3045
04:06:51,077 --> 04:06:56,376
street corridor. In 2021 through regional official Plant Amendment 48.

3046
04:06:57,946 --> 04:07:00,226
A major transistation area surrounding the Georgetown Ghost station was

3047
04:07:00,226 --> 04:07:04,740
delineated, which included the existing secondary plan area. And areas

3048
04:07:04,740 --> 04:07:07,860
to the south and northeast, as illustrated in appendix two

3049
04:07:07,860 --> 04:07:11,239
to the staff report. A terms of reference was later

3050
04:07:11,239 --> 04:07:15,159
brought in November of 2021 for a revised Georgetown ghost

3051
04:07:15,159 --> 04:07:18,239
station area. Mill Street Court or secondary plan based on

3052
04:07:18,239 --> 04:07:23,643
the newly delineated major transistation area boundary. The secondary plan

3053
04:07:23,643 --> 04:07:26,763
review officially began in April of 2022, when the town

3054
04:07:26,763 --> 04:07:29,483
retained Sajeki planning to act as the lead consultant for

3055
04:07:29,483 --> 04:07:34,832
the review. Today we have Davis Ajacki and Mishi McCloskey

3056
04:07:34,832 --> 04:07:37,832
here from Sajeki. Planning to present the preferred plan. Their

3057
04:07:37,832 --> 04:07:40,552
presentation will go into more detail on how we got

3058
04:07:40,552 --> 04:07:45,512
to today, including public consultation and technical review and analysis

3059
04:07:45,512 --> 04:07:48,192
that went into the draft preferred land use option. Report,

3060
04:07:48,192 --> 04:07:52,223
which is currently posted on let's talk Holton Hills. For

3061
04:07:52,223 --> 04:07:55,470
public view. Before passing it over to our project consultant,

3062
04:07:55,470 --> 04:07:58,190
I would like to clarify what's being presented. Today for

3063
04:07:58,190 --> 04:08:00,790
endorsement is a land use plan that will guide the

3064
04:08:00,790 --> 04:08:04,950
phase four policy directions and preparation. Of the draft secondary

3065
04:08:04,950 --> 04:08:10,301
plan. As noted in the staff report, key items associated

3066
04:08:10,301 --> 04:08:13,341
with the designations identified in this land use plan including

3067
04:08:13,341 --> 04:08:17,341
density, height ranges, and policy directions are preliminary and subject

3068
04:08:17,341 --> 04:08:19,861
to change in the next phase of our project through

3069
04:08:19,861 --> 04:08:25,220
further review and analysis and feedback. Gathered. The designations in

3070
04:08:25,220 --> 04:08:27,900
the draft preferred land use plan largely reflect the current

3071
04:08:27,900 --> 04:08:32,336
designations in place. With density and high permissions either matching

3072
04:08:32,336 --> 04:08:38,799
or proposing modest increases. Meas and other policy directions. Including.

3073
04:08:39,921 --> 04:08:42,481
The encouragement of mixed uses in our policies will be

3074
04:08:42,481 --> 04:08:44,921
further assessed in the next phase of the project when

3075
04:08:44,921 --> 04:08:48,786
policies are drafted and a secondary plan is prepared. Before

3076
04:08:48,786 --> 04:08:52,251
a secondary plan is ready. Before the draft secondary plan

3077
04:08:52,251 --> 04:08:54,691
is ready, the project team will further engage the public,

3078
04:08:54,691 --> 04:08:59,454
community, associations, and technical advisory committee to gather input. The

3079
04:08:59,454 --> 04:09:02,334
plan being presented for endorsement today does reflect over two

3080
04:09:02,334 --> 04:09:07,620
years of coordinated effort between. Town staff, project consulting team

3081
04:09:07,620 --> 04:09:12,582
and various departments. Various departments at the town, agencies as

3082
04:09:12,582 --> 04:09:16,568
well as multiple. Engagement efforts with the public and neighborhood

3083
04:09:16,568 --> 04:09:19,368
associations, and with that, I will pass it over to

3084
04:09:19,368 --> 04:09:22,888
David. To will take you through the presentation. Thank you.

3085
04:09:22,888 --> 04:09:28,290
Thank you. Good evening, Mr. Chair. Your worship and members

3086
04:09:28,290 --> 04:09:34,853
of committee. My name is David Sidreki. I'm a partner

3087
04:09:34,853 --> 04:09:38,973
at Sujacki Planning and. I'm joined by my colleague Mishi

3088
04:09:38,973 --> 04:09:43,533
McCloskey, senior associate with their firm. We're grateful to speak

3089
04:09:43,533 --> 04:09:49,609
to you tonight. About what we've come. To. Learn is

3090
04:09:49,609 --> 04:09:56,579
a very special place. And that's Georgetown. In terms what

3091
04:09:56,579 --> 04:10:01,780
we'll speak to tonight. It's a short presentation. As Mr.

3092
04:10:01,780 --> 04:10:05,140
Hamilton mentioned, is dividing to three sections. It begins with

3093
04:10:05,140 --> 04:10:08,420
an overview of the project to date. It includes a

3094
04:10:08,420 --> 04:10:11,900
summary of recent consultation efforts, and then it'll be turning

3095
04:10:11,900 --> 04:10:15,940
it over. To Mishi who will speak to the preferred

3096
04:10:15,940 --> 04:10:19,100
land use option and what the preferred land use option

3097
04:10:19,100 --> 04:10:23,814
is. It's intended to form the basis for updating the

3098
04:10:23,814 --> 04:10:27,923
secondary plan. Specifically the policies and the schedules in the

3099
04:10:27,923 --> 04:10:36,954
existing plan. How did we get here? The existing secondary

3100
04:10:36,954 --> 04:10:42,175
plan was adopted by town Councillor in 2010. It was

3101
04:10:42,175 --> 04:10:46,255
approved by Halton Region in 2011 with a small portion

3102
04:10:46,255 --> 04:10:50,775
of the secondary plan. Specifically 60 John street. That remains

3103
04:10:50,775 --> 04:10:53,655
part of an ongoing appeal at the Ontario Land Tribunal.

3104
04:10:55,259 --> 04:11:02,293
In 2021, the region adopted. Ropa, or regional official Plan

3105
04:11:02,293 --> 04:11:06,933
Amendment 48, which delineated the boundaries of the major transit

3106
04:11:06,933 --> 04:11:13,453
station area, and it added an additional 52 study area

3107
04:11:13,453 --> 04:11:17,220
that includes. The area identified on the screen in red.

3108
04:11:18,472 --> 04:11:23,632
Within major transit station areas. The provincial planning statement identifies

3109
04:11:23,632 --> 04:11:28,460
densities. It's identified as 200 people in jobs per hectare

3110
04:11:28,460 --> 04:11:32,665
for areas with the subway. 160 people in jaws per

3111
04:11:32,665 --> 04:11:35,945
hectare for areas that are served by light rail transit

3112
04:11:35,945 --> 04:11:39,665
or bus rapid. Transit and 150 people in jobs per

3113
04:11:39,665 --> 04:11:43,745
hectare for lands that are served by commuter or regional

3114
04:11:43,745 --> 04:11:47,225
rail. Such as go transit. However, it does include a

3115
04:11:47,225 --> 04:11:50,505
policy as well, too, that says that a municipality may

3116
04:11:50,505 --> 04:11:53,242
make a request to. The minister to lower the density.

3117
04:11:54,686 --> 04:12:00,270
The targeted density within specific major transit station areas. In

3118
04:12:00,270 --> 04:12:05,710
terms of Georgetown, it served on the metrolinx's kitchener corridor.

3119
04:12:08,499 --> 04:12:13,819
Metrolins is expanding service to two way all day, and

3120
04:12:13,819 --> 04:12:19,019
it's also looking at making travel times 20% more efficient.

3121
04:12:19,019 --> 04:12:22,059
This is a game changer. It will provide direct connections

3122
04:12:22,059 --> 04:12:26,979
to Kitchener to Guelph to downtown Toronto, as well as

3123
04:12:26,979 --> 04:12:30,929
direct connections to the uni. Union, Pearson Express into Pearson

3124
04:12:30,929 --> 04:12:36,259
Airport. In terms of our direction for the plan itself

3125
04:12:36,259 --> 04:12:38,179
and the preferred land use option that you'll. See tonight.

3126
04:12:41,488 --> 04:12:43,928
Overall, our goal was to create a strength and planning

3127
04:12:43,928 --> 04:12:47,568
framework for this area through the updated secondary plan, but

3128
04:12:47,568 --> 04:12:51,840
we also adopted six key principles. The first one is

3129
04:12:51,840 --> 04:12:56,320
around bringing forward a strategic and thoughtful approach to growth.

3130
04:12:56,320 --> 04:13:00,520
The second one is utilizing the town's direction around an

3131
04:13:00,520 --> 04:13:03,480
environment first approach. So that's really looking at how do

3132
04:13:03,480 --> 04:13:07,680
we enhance natural heritage system? And within Georgetown, that's looking

3133
04:13:07,680 --> 04:13:11,600
at how do we enhance. Protections around the Silver Creek

3134
04:13:11,600 --> 04:13:16,320
subwatershed as well existing wood lots. We also want to

3135
04:13:16,320 --> 04:13:20,080
bring forward a plan that supports a diverse mix of

3136
04:13:20,080 --> 04:13:25,823
land uses and that also supports healthy community building. We're

3137
04:13:25,823 --> 04:13:29,343
looking to protect and enhance the local context and heritage

3138
04:13:29,343 --> 04:13:33,663
for the area. One thing that is unique to Georgetown

3139
04:13:33,663 --> 04:13:37,143
is that there are 126 known or potential heritage properties.

3140
04:13:38,443 --> 04:13:40,203
Within the study area, of which five of those are

3141
04:13:40,203 --> 04:13:44,483
designated, and those are primarily focused along Queen Ed McNabb

3142
04:13:44,483 --> 04:13:49,147
Street. Another principle is enhanced connections. And that's not just

3143
04:13:49,147 --> 04:13:51,707
to the go station, but that's. Throughout the study area

3144
04:13:51,707 --> 04:13:55,526
itself. And really bringing forward a vibrant and inclusive public

3145
04:13:55,526 --> 04:13:58,806
realm. So how do all the public spaces work? Together.

3146
04:13:58,806 --> 04:14:02,446
And again, that also speaks to connections, as people don't

3147
04:14:02,446 --> 04:14:05,806
think about this often, but 80% of the public realm

3148
04:14:05,806 --> 04:14:09,627
are the streets and the rights of ways. Within our

3149
04:14:09,627 --> 04:14:13,193
communities. I'll quickly just walk through what we've heard to

3150
04:14:13,193 --> 04:14:18,874
date. It's been a study that's been ongoing since June

3151
04:14:18,874 --> 04:14:24,659
of 2022. We're presently. Towards the end of the third

3152
04:14:24,659 --> 04:14:29,845
phase. Which is developing the preferred land use option. The

3153
04:14:29,845 --> 04:14:33,525
first phase really focused on background and policy review. We

3154
04:14:33,525 --> 04:14:38,172
started this with a visioning session. We then created two

3155
04:14:38,172 --> 04:14:41,812
land use alternatives that was brought out to public open

3156
04:14:41,812 --> 04:14:46,612
house number one. We also met with the neighborhood group,

3157
04:14:46,612 --> 04:14:49,932
we met with the technical advisory committee, and we conducted

3158
04:14:49,932 --> 04:14:52,972
an online survey. All of that input, as well as

3159
04:14:52,972 --> 04:14:55,812
some of the initial technical studies, helped us to inform

3160
04:14:55,812 --> 04:14:59,412
the development of the draft preferred land use option that

3161
04:14:59,412 --> 04:15:03,212
was taken forward to public open house. Number two again.

3162
04:15:03,212 --> 04:15:06,884
We conducted another. Online survey where we see feedback. Met

3163
04:15:06,884 --> 04:15:10,164
with a neighborhood group. We met with the technical advisory

3164
04:15:10,164 --> 04:15:14,524
committee. And that brings us to the Councillor meeting tonight.

3165
04:15:14,524 --> 04:15:17,804
The fourth phasers will go into more detail. On is

3166
04:15:17,804 --> 04:15:20,524
really around. How do we take the basis of this

3167
04:15:20,524 --> 04:15:23,564
preferred land use alternative and turn into the draft secondary

3168
04:15:23,564 --> 04:15:29,372
plan. Itself. In terms of some of the consultation that

3169
04:15:29,372 --> 04:15:32,812
has occurred, what we really heard at the public open

3170
04:15:32,812 --> 04:15:41,140
house number three, which was attended by. About approximately 60

3171
04:15:41,140 --> 04:15:45,331
residents is a few of the key highlights. There is

3172
04:15:45,331 --> 04:15:48,851
support for sustainable growth, especially in the context of mixed

3173
04:15:48,851 --> 04:15:51,931
use development. They wanted us to look at enhancing the

3174
04:15:51,931 --> 04:15:55,776
integration of civic and mixed use elements. They're looking at

3175
04:15:55,776 --> 04:16:00,600
improved sidewalks and walkability. With the focus on Mill street

3176
04:16:00,600 --> 04:16:04,789
between downtown and the ghost station. How do we enhance

3177
04:16:04,789 --> 04:16:11,584
Silver Creek? There was discuss around. Enhancing the pedestrian access

3178
04:16:11,584 --> 04:16:17,032
via the cemetery. Ensuring appropriate building transitions and also looking

3179
04:16:17,032 --> 04:16:22,301
at focusing the density around the ghost station. This next

3180
04:16:22,301 --> 04:16:29,035
slide just identifies the existing land use plan. And it

3181
04:16:29,035 --> 04:16:31,355
speaks to a few of the items that we took

3182
04:16:31,355 --> 04:16:33,995
forward as principles as we worked. At developing the preferred

3183
04:16:33,995 --> 04:16:37,715
land use option. That includes looking at with the greatest

3184
04:16:37,715 --> 04:16:40,395
density around the ghost station. How do you transition down

3185
04:16:40,395 --> 04:16:45,430
to that? Do existing low rise areas. We really looked

3186
04:16:45,430 --> 04:16:48,030
at what were some of the stable residential neighborhoods. So

3187
04:16:48,030 --> 04:16:51,190
that's in the south precinct south of the ghost station,

3188
04:16:51,190 --> 04:16:55,154
and limiting redevelopment of that area. We looked at. How

3189
04:16:55,154 --> 04:16:58,594
do you permit development, but still be respectful? A heritage

3190
04:16:58,594 --> 04:17:06,087
features protecting employment lands. And also ensuring how can we

3191
04:17:06,087 --> 04:17:09,647
integrate with limited opportunities really within this area? How can

3192
04:17:09,647 --> 04:17:13,767
we take a focus at integrating community amenities into new

3193
04:17:13,767 --> 04:17:18,973
development. So in terms of where we are today, as

3194
04:17:18,973 --> 04:17:25,394
I mentioned, we're towards the end of phase three. This

3195
04:17:25,394 --> 04:17:27,874
just identifies some of the technical studies that have been

3196
04:17:27,874 --> 04:17:32,639
underway. So we've conducted a natural heritage gap analysis. A

3197
04:17:32,639 --> 04:17:35,679
cultural heritage resource assessment, and in phase two, we also

3198
04:17:35,679 --> 04:17:39,159
prepare the terms of reference for traffic and servicing, and

3199
04:17:39,159 --> 04:17:42,140
that was done at the time. Of our draft land

3200
04:17:42,140 --> 04:17:46,635
use alternatives, and we use that information to inform. The

3201
04:17:46,635 --> 04:17:50,475
direct preferred land use alternative. As we were doing that,

3202
04:17:50,475 --> 04:17:53,235
though, we then commenced on the work. Around the scope

3203
04:17:53,235 --> 04:17:57,993
traffic study, the area servicing plan. The scope natural heritage

3204
04:17:57,993 --> 04:18:01,633
system analysis and the fiscal impact analysis. We took that

3205
04:18:01,633 --> 04:18:07,548
in a very qualitative level initially. To further inform. The

3206
04:18:07,548 --> 04:18:11,348
drop referred land use alternative. From that, we identified what

3207
04:18:11,348 --> 04:18:15,108
our density projections and once we had those numbers, those

3208
04:18:15,108 --> 04:18:18,308
fed into the models for all the technical studies and

3209
04:18:18,308 --> 04:18:23,348
that identified areas where from a technical perspective around transportation

3210
04:18:23,348 --> 04:18:27,440
and servicing. We'd have to look at improvements and then

3211
04:18:27,440 --> 04:18:31,440
use that input to refine the preferred. Land use option,

3212
04:18:31,440 --> 04:18:33,040
and that's the version that I'm going to turn over

3213
04:18:33,040 --> 04:18:35,560
to. My colleague Mishi, and she'll walk us through our

3214
04:18:35,560 --> 04:18:44,730
findings from that work. Thank you. All right. Thanks,

3215
04:18:44,730 --> 04:18:49,717
David. Just get this the right way here. All right,

3216
04:18:49,717 --> 04:18:54,543
so moving on to the preferred land use option. To

3217
04:18:54,543 --> 04:19:00,295
begin. As of 2021. According to the region of Halton,

3218
04:19:00,295 --> 04:19:03,815
the secondary plan area has a density of approximately 36

3219
04:19:03,815 --> 04:19:07,735
people in jobs per gross hectare, and this is based

3220
04:19:07,735 --> 04:19:13,015
off the region's joint best planning estimates. Turning to, I

3221
04:19:13,015 --> 04:19:16,175
guess, currently as well as the future. So we're dealing

3222
04:19:16,175 --> 04:19:21,055
with a horizon. Year of 2051. And basically what this

3223
04:19:21,055 --> 04:19:23,575
table shows is a breakdown of the short, medium and

3224
04:19:23,575 --> 04:19:28,335
long term projections. And this was done, as David mentioned,

3225
04:19:28,335 --> 04:19:34,102
based on. A density analysis that was undertaken by our

3226
04:19:34,102 --> 04:19:38,860
team. So, looking at, I guess, the full build out

3227
04:19:38,860 --> 04:19:43,799
to 2051. We are targeting. A maximum density target of

3228
04:19:43,799 --> 04:19:50,233
126 people in jobs per gross hectare. And this considered

3229
04:19:50,233 --> 04:19:54,433
a number of different factors, including regional population and employment

3230
04:19:54,433 --> 04:20:00,067
data. As mentioned. Ongoing development activity in the town. And

3231
04:20:00,067 --> 04:20:05,014
the potential for redevelopment of certain sites. Here is a

3232
04:20:05,014 --> 04:20:08,334
summary table of the proposed changes to density, and this

3233
04:20:08,334 --> 04:20:14,494
just focuses on medium medium high and high density residential

3234
04:20:14,494 --> 04:20:18,694
and mixed use designations within the study area, as you

3235
04:20:18,694 --> 04:20:24,687
can see here. In the second column. It shows the

3236
04:20:24,687 --> 04:20:28,300
existing density permissions and the. Proposed on the far right.

3237
04:20:29,569 --> 04:20:32,089
It's a bit tricky to see on this screen, but

3238
04:20:32,089 --> 04:20:35,173
basically. Where the bolded text is mixed use. There are

3239
04:20:35,173 --> 04:20:41,845
three. Designation changes to the medium density residential, what's now

3240
04:20:41,845 --> 04:20:45,045
called, which adds mixed use area to it, as well

3241
04:20:45,045 --> 04:20:48,565
as the medium, high and high density residential. So the

3242
04:20:48,565 --> 04:20:50,925
idea here is to add a greater mix of uses

3243
04:20:50,925 --> 04:20:54,005
and encourage those greater mix of uses in these three

3244
04:20:54,005 --> 04:21:00,260
designations. So, yeah, as mentioned, Previously. There's not a ton

3245
04:21:00,260 --> 04:21:02,940
of changes when you look at the plan holistically. However,

3246
04:21:02,940 --> 04:21:07,440
there are some key changes. That allow for higher densities

3247
04:21:07,440 --> 04:21:12,420
and heights in some of these designations. Okay, so looking

3248
04:21:12,420 --> 04:21:17,771
at it for more of a visual standpoint, Here are

3249
04:21:17,771 --> 04:21:21,818
the. Existing land use schedule and the draft or the

3250
04:21:21,818 --> 04:21:25,298
proposed land use schedule. So looking at the side by

3251
04:21:25,298 --> 04:21:28,738
side comparison. As you can see, the existing schedule shows

3252
04:21:28,738 --> 04:21:33,937
the outline of the existing secondary plan. Area. And the

3253
04:21:33,937 --> 04:21:37,777
proposed actually combines three different schedules from the existing Op

3254
04:21:37,777 --> 04:21:44,389
or official plan. Which adds the additional. 54 study area.

3255
04:21:45,767 --> 04:21:49,167
The majority of land use designations within the updated secondary

3256
04:21:49,167 --> 04:21:54,407
plan area reflect existing permissions with several key updates, the

3257
04:21:54,407 --> 04:21:58,983
first being a greater mix of uses, the second. A

3258
04:21:58,983 --> 04:22:04,436
greater heights and densities at strategic locations and third. Encouraging

3259
04:22:04,436 --> 04:22:07,356
community assets in these areas, which will be reflected in

3260
04:22:07,356 --> 04:22:11,285
the secondary of plan policy. All right, moving along to

3261
04:22:11,285 --> 04:22:14,605
heights, here is our draft height schedule. As you can

3262
04:22:14,605 --> 04:22:18,085
see there's. Three circles with the arrows kind of popping

3263
04:22:18,085 --> 04:22:21,765
out, and those are the three height peaks being. Around

3264
04:22:21,765 --> 04:22:24,965
the go station. So the highest heights that we're contemplating.

3265
04:22:28,060 --> 04:22:29,940
And we'll call it, I guess, closer to Mountain View.

3266
04:22:29,940 --> 04:22:34,307
Over there is in the range. Of eight. To 16

3267
04:22:34,307 --> 04:22:36,947
stories. And then closer to the ghost station, we have

3268
04:22:36,947 --> 04:22:41,513
eight to twelve stories. There is. A second sort of

3269
04:22:41,513 --> 04:22:44,953
peak for heights down at the bottom of the study

3270
04:22:44,953 --> 04:22:49,722
area and that's. Near Gulf street in Maple Avenue. That

3271
04:22:49,722 --> 04:22:53,198
contemplates up to ten stories. Here is. And just to

3272
04:22:53,198 --> 04:22:56,118
kind of flip between the two. So here you see

3273
04:22:56,118 --> 04:23:03,521
the height schedule. And this one here shows what's changed.

3274
04:23:03,521 --> 04:23:06,561
So the gray areas are more or less the same.

3275
04:23:06,561 --> 04:23:09,826
The ones that remain. Where we're proposing increase in heights.

3276
04:23:11,924 --> 04:23:19,666
Okay, here's our transportation and mobility draft schedule. And this

3277
04:23:19,666 --> 04:23:25,066
schedule reflects existing roads, existing and proposed active transportation networks.

3278
04:23:26,362 --> 04:23:30,042
Per the town's active transportation master plan. And really here,

3279
04:23:30,042 --> 04:23:34,162
the goal is to support an integrated system that prioritizes

3280
04:23:34,162 --> 04:23:38,301
safety and connectivity throughout the site. It is important that

3281
04:23:38,301 --> 04:23:40,901
as this area grows, links to and from the Go

3282
04:23:40,901 --> 04:23:45,221
station and to strategic areas like the downtown are enhanced.

3283
04:23:46,743 --> 04:23:51,664
And seek to support multimodes of transportation throughout. Moving along

3284
04:23:51,664 --> 04:23:56,283
to our parks and open space schedule. So one of

3285
04:23:56,283 --> 04:23:59,043
the primary objectives here is to ensure that every resident

3286
04:23:59,043 --> 04:24:02,803
has convenient access to high quality parks and open spaces,

3287
04:24:02,803 --> 04:24:05,363
ideally within a short walking distance. And as you can

3288
04:24:05,363 --> 04:24:08,123
see here, we have included parts outside of the study

3289
04:24:08,123 --> 04:24:10,723
area, but what we wanted to highlight that it's really

3290
04:24:10,723 --> 04:24:15,885
important that those connections to those areas. Are really critical,

3291
04:24:15,885 --> 04:24:18,343
even though. They are perhaps like right outside of the

3292
04:24:18,343 --> 04:24:21,583
study area. For instance, Dominion park to the south and

3293
04:24:21,583 --> 04:24:25,223
then also the trails along the different water courses as

3294
04:24:25,223 --> 04:24:28,769
well. Moving along. So this is a bit of a

3295
04:24:28,769 --> 04:24:31,729
different map, and it doesn't form part. Of the actual

3296
04:24:31,729 --> 04:24:35,289
secondary plan. It's a conceptual. So we have the schedules,

3297
04:24:35,289 --> 04:24:37,369
but this is. Sort of a second layer, and it

3298
04:24:37,369 --> 04:24:45,622
looks at the conceptual. Parks that could be offered or

3299
04:24:45,622 --> 04:24:49,382
privately owned public spaces known as pops, that you'll see.

3300
04:24:49,382 --> 04:24:53,262
Indicated through stars throughout the study area. And the idea

3301
04:24:53,262 --> 04:24:56,542
is that as these areas grow and change, and potentially

3302
04:24:56,542 --> 04:25:00,294
redevelop that there is an opportunity. For these spaces to

3303
04:25:00,294 --> 04:25:03,774
occur, these green spaces. And we've been working really closely

3304
04:25:03,774 --> 04:25:08,507
with park. Staff to ensure that. We identify these opportunities

3305
04:25:08,507 --> 04:25:12,187
as we move forward through the process in identifying strategic

3306
04:25:12,187 --> 04:25:16,371
locations for potential parks. And pops. All right, just a

3307
04:25:16,371 --> 04:25:19,131
few more slides. So the next one is our draft

3308
04:25:19,131 --> 04:25:26,668
urban design. Principles. And this was something we brought forward

3309
04:25:26,668 --> 04:25:29,668
to at the public open house number two back in

3310
04:25:29,668 --> 04:25:33,078
October. Not much has changed here. We just wanted to

3311
04:25:33,078 --> 04:25:36,398
note that as part of phase four, we are. Developing.

3312
04:25:37,525 --> 04:25:39,725
A set of draft urban design guidelines that will be

3313
04:25:39,725 --> 04:25:43,474
paired with the secondary plan. And that will build on

3314
04:25:43,474 --> 04:25:46,594
the urban design policies that are in the secondary plan

3315
04:25:46,594 --> 04:25:51,394
and provide further direction, especially because we're dealing with seven

3316
04:25:51,394 --> 04:25:55,074
precincts now that are each unique in character. And this

3317
04:25:55,074 --> 04:25:57,434
will give more specificity to how we want to see

3318
04:25:57,434 --> 04:26:02,212
these places grow and change. In the future. All right,

3319
04:26:02,212 --> 04:26:06,212
looking ahead. So we do have a public open house

3320
04:26:06,212 --> 04:26:11,590
scheduled for the end of November. And this is to

3321
04:26:11,590 --> 04:26:14,630
look at the draft, I guess, sort of recap on

3322
04:26:14,630 --> 04:26:17,510
what's been done to date again with the public, how

3323
04:26:17,510 --> 04:26:20,910
their information has been considered and really look towards draft

3324
04:26:20,910 --> 04:26:25,870
policies for secondary plan and following that, we are targeting

3325
04:26:25,870 --> 04:26:29,270
a draft secondary plan in the new year, which will

3326
04:26:29,270 --> 04:26:33,932
go through a number of. Consultation iterations, we'll call them,

3327
04:26:33,932 --> 04:26:37,932
as well as meeting with our neighborhood groups and the

3328
04:26:37,932 --> 04:26:45,993
technical advisory committee. And with that. That's the end. And

3329
04:26:45,993 --> 04:26:48,833
we are happy to take questions. Thank you very much.

3330
04:26:50,332 --> 04:26:53,172
Thank you very much. Are there any questions from members

3331
04:26:53,172 --> 04:26:57,786
of Councillor of the delegation? Would somebody like to bring

3332
04:26:57,786 --> 04:27:05,006
this report forward? Councilor Garnell question.

3333
04:27:12,011 --> 04:27:16,098
On the page where you have heights. What's changed? The

3334
04:27:16,098 --> 04:27:18,098
legend. So there's some that's in gray and some that's

3335
04:27:18,098 --> 04:27:21,418
in white. And I missed what you said. What was

3336
04:27:21,418 --> 04:27:25,938
what? There. Yeah. And again, we can kind of. Toggle

3337
04:27:25,938 --> 04:27:34,637
between the two. But this one here identifies. So basically,

3338
04:27:34,637 --> 04:27:37,077
the gray area we're not touching as far as. Height

3339
04:27:37,077 --> 04:27:40,761
goes. And as David mentioned previously, the south precinct, which

3340
04:27:40,761 --> 04:27:44,057
is just south of the ghost station. That's an area

3341
04:27:44,057 --> 04:27:46,497
that's going to remain largely unchanged just because it is

3342
04:27:46,497 --> 04:27:50,116
an established neighborhood. There are a lot of cultural heritage

3343
04:27:50,116 --> 04:27:52,756
assets within that neighborhood, and the idea is that a

3344
04:27:52,756 --> 04:27:56,915
long strategic corridors. In sort of clusters up in the

3345
04:27:56,915 --> 04:27:59,675
north area where the Mill street precinct is, there's an

3346
04:27:59,675 --> 04:28:04,300
ongoing act of development there. So basically, in close consultation

3347
04:28:04,300 --> 04:28:08,578
with staff, We have proposed an increase in heightened density,

3348
04:28:08,578 --> 04:28:12,517
but it was not an arbitrary decision. It was first

3349
04:28:12,517 --> 04:28:14,717
and foremost close to the ghost station because we want

3350
04:28:14,717 --> 04:28:18,437
to encourage the highest heights. And densities there. And then

3351
04:28:18,437 --> 04:28:22,277
again, that maple and guelph intersection and some opportunities up

3352
04:28:22,277 --> 04:28:27,087
in most treat as well. You'll also see. Along Mountain

3353
04:28:27,087 --> 04:28:31,063
view close what we call. The here. I wonder if

3354
04:28:31,063 --> 04:28:36,161
I can skip, actually. To. Yeah. So the northeast precinct,

3355
04:28:36,161 --> 04:28:38,907
which you'll see on the east side. There is a

3356
04:28:38,907 --> 04:28:42,707
chunk that has a five story increase in height, and

3357
04:28:42,707 --> 04:28:47,147
that's, again, just due to proximity to negotiation. We want

3358
04:28:47,147 --> 04:28:51,007
to look at transition. From the Main street into the

3359
04:28:51,007 --> 04:28:55,647
interior neighborhood, and there is an employment area just south

3360
04:28:55,647 --> 04:28:58,327
of there. So the idea would be that there's a

3361
04:28:58,327 --> 04:29:01,727
bit of transition and use there from a higher density,

3362
04:29:01,727 --> 04:29:05,196
or we'll call it medium density to the neighborhood. In

3363
04:29:05,196 --> 04:29:09,420
the interior area. Okay. Thank you. No problem.

3364
04:29:17,104 --> 04:29:21,344
All of this development depends on individual developers deciding to

3365
04:29:21,344 --> 04:29:25,184
do this work, correct? Yes. This is all conceptual. So

3366
04:29:25,184 --> 04:29:31,629
it's all conceptual. But. When you're mapping out some of

3367
04:29:31,629 --> 04:29:36,201
the streetscape changes. Some of the maybe amenities or some

3368
04:29:36,201 --> 04:29:39,472
of the things that we might do. For the public.

3369
04:29:41,047 --> 04:29:42,527
To make it for sort of like the common good

3370
04:29:42,527 --> 04:29:49,669
element, right? At what point? Would those happen? So if

3371
04:29:49,669 --> 04:29:54,575
one development happens, does the street scape get changed? Or

3372
04:29:54,575 --> 04:29:58,622
when would the park? So I'm just wondering. The phasing

3373
04:29:58,622 --> 04:30:03,622
and how you see that. Practically. Materializing some of that.

3374
04:30:05,476 --> 04:30:07,556
Yeah. And I might pull David up a bit later

3375
04:30:07,556 --> 04:30:08,916
for this, but, I mean, there are a. Lot of

3376
04:30:08,916 --> 04:30:13,110
moving parts. It is a long term plan. Like we

3377
04:30:13,110 --> 04:30:18,383
are seeing this build out until 2051. So we've identified

3378
04:30:18,383 --> 04:30:20,863
what we think will occur within that time frame, short

3379
04:30:20,863 --> 04:30:25,065
of in a short, medium, long term. Time frame each

3380
04:30:25,065 --> 04:30:28,625
decade, however. Yeah, it could be through new development applications.

3381
04:30:28,625 --> 04:30:32,614
It could be through. New investment that the town. Makes.

3382
04:30:32,614 --> 04:30:34,974
Could be one off parks. I know that there's some

3383
04:30:34,974 --> 04:30:42,870
new parks coming. To be in the future. And. Again,

3384
04:30:42,870 --> 04:30:47,230
it's hard to predict, but we hope that through both

3385
04:30:47,230 --> 04:30:50,950
the secondary plan policies and the urban design standards that

3386
04:30:50,950 --> 04:30:55,868
we bring forward. That change will come, and it provides

3387
04:30:55,868 --> 04:30:58,628
the basis to make those decisions, whether they be public

3388
04:30:58,628 --> 04:31:04,369
or private investment. Sure. I'm actually. I think I'm going

3389
04:31:04,369 --> 04:31:08,457
to turn over to the town. But. Specifically around phasing.

3390
04:31:08,457 --> 04:31:09,857
But if you look at this map and you think

3391
04:31:09,857 --> 04:31:11,537
of it as a heat map as well, too. I

3392
04:31:11,537 --> 04:31:13,817
think it's clear now, but it's the dark gray is

3393
04:31:13,817 --> 04:31:17,357
all. The area where the heights aren't changing. The areas

3394
04:31:17,357 --> 04:31:20,811
that are the lighter color. We've identified as, like, an

3395
04:31:20,811 --> 04:31:26,619
incremental change in height. They're not conceptual. Those are what

3396
04:31:26,619 --> 04:31:30,259
the policy and the schedules would permit in order to

3397
04:31:30,259 --> 04:31:32,979
go beyond that, you would require an official plan amendment,

3398
04:31:32,979 --> 04:31:36,419
zoning bylaw amendment and everything that's. Entailed with that, too,

3399
04:31:36,419 --> 04:31:39,539
when it comes to community services, facilities, studies, et cetera.

3400
04:31:39,539 --> 04:31:42,219
Et cetera. But specifically in terms of phasing, I might

3401
04:31:42,219 --> 04:31:46,364
turn it over to keep. To add to that. Thank

3402
04:31:46,364 --> 04:31:47,844
you. They've done a pretty good job explaining that. I

3403
04:31:47,844 --> 04:31:50,324
just want to add two. Things. One thing to this

3404
04:31:50,324 --> 04:31:52,524
map here. I know the dark gray isn't subject to

3405
04:31:52,524 --> 04:31:56,164
change. Just also want to point out in our mixed

3406
04:31:56,164 --> 04:31:59,044
high density residential mixed use areas directly north of the

3407
04:31:59,044 --> 04:32:01,444
Gova station. So that would be one Rosetta, two river

3408
04:32:01,444 --> 04:32:07,628
drive. And 130 mountain view. Those heights are actually permitted

3409
04:32:07,628 --> 04:32:10,068
there right now. We are not actually going up. It

3410
04:32:10,068 --> 04:32:12,548
was before the plant. They changed the planning act. You

3411
04:32:12,548 --> 04:32:15,348
could do it through density bonusing. We are going to

3412
04:32:15,348 --> 04:32:17,588
have to revise those policies because that's no longer part

3413
04:32:17,588 --> 04:32:20,628
of the Planning act. It's been replaced with community benefits

3414
04:32:20,628 --> 04:32:22,668
charges. But I do want to make that clear that

3415
04:32:22,668 --> 04:32:24,974
before? This. As of now, you can still go up

3416
04:32:24,974 --> 04:32:28,103
to those heights in those areas. And in terms of

3417
04:32:28,103 --> 04:32:33,773
your question, At the development stage. Development application stage. A

3418
04:32:33,773 --> 04:32:35,453
lot of that does get sorted out in terms of

3419
04:32:35,453 --> 04:32:38,893
how the streetscape might change the design of the buildings.

3420
04:32:38,893 --> 04:32:41,973
Things like looking for opportunities for green amenity space within

3421
04:32:41,973 --> 04:32:46,401
the developable area, all of that. The secondary plan here

3422
04:32:46,401 --> 04:32:48,881
does act as a guide to that in which our

3423
04:32:48,881 --> 04:32:52,841
development review staff can use those policies to enforce what

3424
04:32:52,841 --> 04:32:55,201
needs to happen as part of those development application packages.

3425
04:32:56,462 --> 04:32:58,982
So again, one of the reasons why this secondary plan

3426
04:32:58,982 --> 04:33:01,062
is important is that we do set the tone for

3427
04:33:01,062 --> 04:33:09,547
that. Thank you. And so a follow up question. Through

3428
04:33:09,547 --> 04:33:15,075
you, Mr. Chair. Regarding the streetscapes. Right. So a lot

3429
04:33:15,075 --> 04:33:21,881
of the arterial roads are through. Existing residential areas that

3430
04:33:21,881 --> 04:33:25,361
are mapped out in the gray to not change in

3431
04:33:25,361 --> 04:33:31,306
the height restrictions. And it's largely like people's front lawns

3432
04:33:31,306 --> 04:33:34,746
and then little sidewalks or some sides don't have sidewalks.

3433
04:33:35,812 --> 04:33:40,199
And so I'm just wondering. How that walkability and where

3434
04:33:40,199 --> 04:33:45,239
that extra space might come from. For those sidewalks and

3435
04:33:45,239 --> 04:33:49,673
some of the features that. Are shown as being important.

3436
04:33:51,424 --> 04:33:55,211
To adding that density and making it walkable. And I

3437
04:33:55,211 --> 04:33:59,252
can let them jump back into. But as part of

3438
04:33:59,252 --> 04:34:01,932
the secondary plan, we can put in policies to encourage.

3439
04:34:03,348 --> 04:34:07,739
Change to the streetscape to better accommodate pedestrian. There. I

3440
04:34:07,739 --> 04:34:13,497
say cyclist, traffic. Sorry. But. We can put in policies

3441
04:34:13,497 --> 04:34:15,817
to recommend that. And again, we do try to work

3442
04:34:15,817 --> 04:34:18,737
with our developing partners. As they have the applications, they

3443
04:34:18,737 --> 04:34:23,217
are responsible. Mercy alteration happens. So we do understand that

3444
04:34:23,217 --> 04:34:25,297
I had an inquiry today about similar to what you've

3445
04:34:25,297 --> 04:34:28,857
asked about the impacts on streets outside. Of the plan

3446
04:34:28,857 --> 04:34:31,577
area. So certainly we do appreciate that the density will.

3447
04:34:32,901 --> 04:34:36,619
Add the need for people to get around. We've made

3448
04:34:36,619 --> 04:34:39,139
comments on applications already as a policy team on that

3449
04:34:39,139 --> 04:34:44,136
very notion that. Developer should be a partner in creating

3450
04:34:44,136 --> 04:34:49,418
space for pedestrians as well as vehicular traffic. Through you,

3451
04:34:49,418 --> 04:34:55,406
Mr. Chair. To Councillor Garnell. It's a great question, and

3452
04:34:55,406 --> 04:34:58,126
it hasn't all been decided yet. We haven't. Started drafting

3453
04:34:58,126 --> 04:35:01,006
the policies, so there will be policies that speak to

3454
04:35:01,006 --> 04:35:04,486
that when it comes to the transportation network. We haven't

3455
04:35:04,486 --> 04:35:07,126
actually made changes to the right of ways of any

3456
04:35:07,126 --> 04:35:10,046
of the streets, so that remains the same. And I

3457
04:35:10,046 --> 04:35:13,606
know the town has the mobility master plan that is

3458
04:35:13,606 --> 04:35:16,250
also under. Underway and that will feed into it. And

3459
04:35:16,250 --> 04:35:20,084
then, just to add around the density, Earlier when I

3460
04:35:20,084 --> 04:35:24,968
was speaking to the new provincial planning statement. I mentioned.

3461
04:35:25,903 --> 04:35:31,363
Minimum densities. Those are minimum densities. What we've identified. I

3462
04:35:31,363 --> 04:35:35,003
know there have been discussions with the province is a

3463
04:35:35,003 --> 04:35:38,243
lower density, but that 126 number that's not a minimum

3464
04:35:38,243 --> 04:35:41,243
number. That is showing that you can achieve up to

3465
04:35:41,243 --> 04:35:47,553
that number. With. The densities that are presently in place.

3466
04:35:49,917 --> 04:35:51,637
Sorry. Just to follow up. And with the roads that

3467
04:35:51,637 --> 04:36:01,333
are currently in place as well. Generally. Yes. We have

3468
04:36:01,333 --> 04:36:04,653
a whole series of recommendations. Three. Mr. Charity. Councillor Garno.

3469
04:36:04,653 --> 04:36:06,773
We have a whole series of recommendations that have come

3470
04:36:06,773 --> 04:36:10,773
out of the transportation impact study, and those do indicate

3471
04:36:10,773 --> 04:36:15,819
where there are areas where it could require. Improvements to

3472
04:36:15,819 --> 04:36:21,230
the signal timing. It does not recommend any increases to

3473
04:36:21,230 --> 04:36:24,390
the rights of way or reclassification of streets. We also

3474
04:36:24,390 --> 04:36:27,110
have a whole set of urban design guidelines that have

3475
04:36:27,110 --> 04:36:33,164
not. Been developed yet, and those will speak. To. How

3476
04:36:33,164 --> 04:36:36,124
to improve the public realm. But I should reiterate that

3477
04:36:36,124 --> 04:36:40,099
those are guidelines, so you have your policy. And your

3478
04:36:40,099 --> 04:36:43,339
policy is something that is required to be met through

3479
04:36:43,339 --> 04:36:46,059
development applications unless you apply to amend it, and then

3480
04:36:46,059 --> 04:36:50,889
you have your guidelines, which are directions. Okay. Thank you.

3481
04:36:50,889 --> 04:36:57,492
Thank you. Mayor Lawler. Thanks very much, Mr. Chair, and

3482
04:36:57,492 --> 04:37:02,331
thank you for the presentation. I have three or four

3483
04:37:02,331 --> 04:37:09,462
questions. And probably to the consultant. Yes. Okay. I want

3484
04:37:09,462 --> 04:37:11,982
to refer to this slide that's on the screen right

3485
04:37:11,982 --> 04:37:18,024
now for my first question. And that is. You have

3486
04:37:18,024 --> 04:37:23,971
three circles there. With arrows radiating out and the one

3487
04:37:23,971 --> 04:37:27,531
that is at Mountain View and John street. Yes, I'm.

3488
04:37:27,531 --> 04:37:30,691
Wondering if you can tell us what the built form

3489
04:37:30,691 --> 04:37:34,251
might look like there and what might the population be.

3490
04:37:35,502 --> 04:37:40,762
Based on? Your projections or your calculations at this stage.

3491
04:37:42,603 --> 04:37:46,708
I think you talked about up to 16 stories. But.

3492
04:37:49,768 --> 04:37:52,808
How many towers? How many people? Can you describe that,

3493
04:37:52,808 --> 04:38:00,569
please? Yes. So that would be under the high density

3494
04:38:00,569 --> 04:38:06,767
residential mixed use area designation. It does permit some minimum

3495
04:38:06,767 --> 04:38:11,891
of twelve stories and a maximum of 16 stories. There

3496
04:38:11,891 --> 04:38:15,731
is also a maximum of twelve stories for certain portions

3497
04:38:15,731 --> 04:38:19,986
of that site. I wonder if I have. What? That.

3498
04:38:21,705 --> 04:38:27,193
If. You're asking in particular about the Guelph and maple

3499
04:38:27,193 --> 04:38:31,961
intersections, that is? No, just. Generally. No, I'm asking. About

3500
04:38:31,961 --> 04:38:34,893
Mountain view and John. Oh, Mountain View. Mountain view and

3501
04:38:34,893 --> 04:38:37,213
river. Oh, mountain view, river. Okay. Yeah, it's the biggest

3502
04:38:37,213 --> 04:38:41,924
circle there. Yeah. Understood. We could probably provide this to

3503
04:38:41,924 --> 04:38:45,244
you if you'd like. We did an internal exercise that

3504
04:38:45,244 --> 04:38:47,044
looked at both two d and three d rendering of

3505
04:38:47,044 --> 04:38:49,964
a few different sample sites. This being one of them.

3506
04:38:49,964 --> 04:38:55,827
So this could be anything from a combination of. Some

3507
04:38:55,827 --> 04:39:00,752
higher towers, maybe 16 stories, going down to twelve. But

3508
04:39:00,752 --> 04:39:04,683
generally more of a mid rise feel. We're looking at

3509
04:39:04,683 --> 04:39:07,883
podiums, and really within these areas, we hope to encourage.

3510
04:39:09,928 --> 04:39:12,688
Community. The integration of community services in these buildings, for

3511
04:39:12,688 --> 04:39:17,299
instance, At the vmc in bond metropolitan center. They have

3512
04:39:17,299 --> 04:39:21,849
a ymca right at the base of the tower. Coming

3513
04:39:21,849 --> 04:39:23,849
right off the subway. And that's something, a great example

3514
04:39:23,849 --> 04:39:26,649
that we would think of. Having that integration of community

3515
04:39:26,649 --> 04:39:29,399
use in a new building. So that's sort of what

3516
04:39:29,399 --> 04:39:32,679
we envisioned for right next to the Go station, those

3517
04:39:32,679 --> 04:39:36,143
heights. Are proposed to be a bit higher. In what

3518
04:39:36,143 --> 04:39:39,863
we will call close to Mountain View. Just north of

3519
04:39:39,863 --> 04:39:43,873
the ghost station. Those heights are. A tad lower. So

3520
04:39:43,873 --> 04:39:50,344
eight to twelve. And again. That transition to the areas

3521
04:39:50,344 --> 04:39:56,831
to the north, those existing low density residential neighborhoods. So

3522
04:39:56,831 --> 04:39:58,991
transition would be really important here. And we would think

3523
04:39:58,991 --> 04:40:03,751
about things like perhaps townhouses between a higher density built

3524
04:40:03,751 --> 04:40:05,951
form just to make sure there's a bit of a

3525
04:40:05,951 --> 04:40:10,671
buffer between. Existing and proposed neighborhoods. And thank you, Michi

3526
04:40:10,671 --> 04:40:14,676
three. Mr. Chair, to Mayor Lawler. By full buildout in

3527
04:40:14,676 --> 04:40:18,847
2051. We've projected that area. To house up to just

3528
04:40:18,847 --> 04:40:28,107
under 2000 people and 133 jobs. 2000 people. In that.

3529
04:40:28,107 --> 04:40:32,153
Where that circle is with the arrows. Radiator. In all

3530
04:40:32,153 --> 04:40:39,914
the areas that are. Correct. In that one lot. I

3531
04:40:39,914 --> 04:40:41,834
will go back and confirm those numbers, but those are

3532
04:40:41,834 --> 04:40:43,674
the numbers that I'm seeing. I used to live across

3533
04:40:43,674 --> 04:40:46,154
the road and it would blow me away if there

3534
04:40:46,154 --> 04:40:49,618
were 2000 people. There. It's really not that big of

3535
04:40:49,618 --> 04:40:54,020
space. Right now, where there's kind of industrial and a

3536
04:40:54,020 --> 04:41:00,152
lot of ratty trees. Anyway, I'm just trying to confirm.

3537
04:41:04,401 --> 04:41:07,321
Just to confirm that? Yes. So that entire designation is

3538
04:41:07,321 --> 04:41:10,281
one lot. It's 130 Mountain view. And yes, those are

3539
04:41:10,281 --> 04:41:12,761
the correct numbers based on the densities that are in

3540
04:41:12,761 --> 04:41:20,046
the table in the report. All right. Thank you. That's

3541
04:41:20,046 --> 04:41:24,972
a lot of people. Another question that I have regards

3542
04:41:24,972 --> 04:41:34,100
the area along Gulf Street. Between Maple Avenue. And down

3543
04:41:34,100 --> 04:41:41,623
towards the creek. Where it's kind of a zigzag. Streetscape

3544
04:41:41,623 --> 04:41:46,960
on the map. And I just want to confirm. What

3545
04:41:46,960 --> 04:41:56,556
is proposed there. Through. Mr.

3546
04:41:56,556 --> 04:42:01,734
Chair to Mayor Lawler. Sorry. The area that you're asking

3547
04:42:01,734 --> 04:42:04,334
about. Are you asking at the intersection of Guelph? And

3548
04:42:04,334 --> 04:42:09,094
Maple. The area with the other circle. No, I'm not

3549
04:42:09,094 --> 04:42:12,726
asking about the intersection. I'm asking about? Well, let's call

3550
04:42:12,726 --> 04:42:17,286
it the west side of Gulf street. That. Goes from

3551
04:42:17,286 --> 04:42:23,176
that other circle. Towards. The creek. Right now.

3552
04:42:27,632 --> 04:42:33,816
It's primarily a single family homes. And very large. Trees.

3553
04:42:34,851 --> 04:42:42,158
Along that guelph. Streetscape. That I would argue. Is a

3554
04:42:42,158 --> 04:42:48,205
defining characteristic of that neighborhood, yes. And of Guelph Street,

3555
04:42:48,205 --> 04:42:52,550
a major corridor in Georgetown. So what's being proposed along?

3556
04:42:52,550 --> 04:42:55,430
I can't see. No, that's okay. I. Understand. It's not

3557
04:42:55,430 --> 04:42:59,807
entirely clear. It's four to six stories. For those sites

3558
04:42:59,807 --> 04:43:03,727
that are fronting onto Gwell street along that zigzaggy saw.

3559
04:43:03,727 --> 04:43:07,933
Tooth saw tooth area. So that would be quite a

3560
04:43:07,933 --> 04:43:13,452
significant difference from, as I said, the single family. Streetscape

3561
04:43:13,452 --> 04:43:18,338
that's there right now. It's an increase. It is an

3562
04:43:18,338 --> 04:43:20,898
increase from what is there right now. That's correct? Sure.

3563
04:43:20,898 --> 04:43:29,710
Okay. Another question that I have is. You mentioned that

3564
04:43:29,710 --> 04:43:35,574
there's the capacity for us, for a municipality. To propose

3565
04:43:35,574 --> 04:43:42,666
to the province. A different formula. For a metropolitan. Sorry.

3566
04:43:42,666 --> 04:43:45,786
Major transit area. And I'm wondering if you can tell

3567
04:43:45,786 --> 04:43:50,180
me a little bit more. About that process. Yes. I

3568
04:43:50,180 --> 04:43:52,340
may refer that. I think I may refer that to

3569
04:43:52,340 --> 04:43:56,778
staff for this specific process. But I believe what the

3570
04:43:56,778 --> 04:44:02,696
policy says. Is. I spoke to before. I'm happy to

3571
04:44:02,696 --> 04:44:08,140
identify numbers again, but it's 260 or. 150. Are the

3572
04:44:08,140 --> 04:44:12,100
minimum densities identified in the provincial planning statement. However, there

3573
04:44:12,100 --> 04:44:15,420
is another policy that says and I may need to

3574
04:44:15,420 --> 04:44:20,132
look up the exact wording, but it says that. If

3575
04:44:20,132 --> 04:44:24,517
a municipality finds that. There are land uses that make

3576
04:44:24,517 --> 04:44:28,651
it prohibitive to reach those numbers. I believe it may

3577
04:44:28,651 --> 04:44:34,946
also. Mention. Some direction around the existing built forum. That

3578
04:44:34,946 --> 04:44:40,639
the municipality can request the minister to provide. A lower

3579
04:44:40,639 --> 04:44:46,205
density target than that. Identifying the provincial planning statement. Right.

3580
04:44:46,205 --> 04:44:50,387
Well, and I appreciate knowing that that provision exists. I

3581
04:44:50,387 --> 04:44:52,307
don't know where this is all going to end up,

3582
04:44:52,307 --> 04:44:58,194
but to know that, that. Capacity is there? If you

3583
04:44:58,194 --> 04:45:02,301
present a good argument. Is good to know. As part

3584
04:45:02,301 --> 04:45:07,621
of our planning toolbox, let's say yes. Okay, that's. All

3585
04:45:07,621 --> 04:45:14,504
I have. Thanks very much. Thank you. Councilor Fogle. Thank

3586
04:45:14,504 --> 04:45:18,816
you. I think it's a question for the consultants, too.

3587
04:45:18,816 --> 04:45:23,027
Or a comment. I'm having a little trouble with all

3588
04:45:23,027 --> 04:45:27,470
the different ways of expressing density. I don't know. We

3589
04:45:27,470 --> 04:45:31,070
go from units per net hectare and then units per

3590
04:45:31,070 --> 04:45:34,350
gross. Heck. There, and then we go to square floor

3591
04:45:34,350 --> 04:45:42,479
indexes. And. Then. Look to me like

3592
04:45:42,479 --> 04:45:49,221
16,492 people in jobs per hectare. It's hard for me

3593
04:45:49,221 --> 04:45:56,720
to understand. To what magnitude were changing things.

3594
04:45:59,348 --> 04:46:02,068
And how it fits with the jobs and people per

3595
04:46:02,068 --> 04:46:05,468
hectare. Because that's kind of what the province was using.

3596
04:46:06,872 --> 04:46:10,392
Or place them to grow anyway, was based on that?

3597
04:46:10,392 --> 04:46:14,072
No. Through you, Mr. Chair. To Councillor Fogel. It's a

3598
04:46:14,072 --> 04:46:19,596
very good question. And it's extremely confusing. I can appreciate

3599
04:46:19,596 --> 04:46:24,858
that. There are two different. Density designations that are in

3600
04:46:24,858 --> 04:46:29,900
the existing secondary plan. I'm going to let he speak

3601
04:46:29,900 --> 04:46:34,412
to sort of direction around why we're using both. Units

3602
04:46:34,412 --> 04:46:38,802
per hectare. And fsi, which stands for floor space index.

3603
04:46:40,694 --> 04:46:42,854
What we've done, though, in order to come up with

3604
04:46:42,854 --> 04:46:47,278
a specific density numbers. Is. Oh, gosh. I don't even

3605
04:46:47,278 --> 04:46:48,358
know if I can explain this. Off top of my

3606
04:46:48,358 --> 04:46:53,055
head, but. You identify your gross floor area. For example,

3607
04:46:53,055 --> 04:47:02,097
if you're using. Your floor space index by multiplying. That

3608
04:47:02,097 --> 04:47:06,697
number, the 1.01.8, whereas 1.0 would be like one times

3609
04:47:06,697 --> 04:47:09,497
the entire site you could cover by how large the

3610
04:47:09,497 --> 04:47:13,101
site is. And then when it comes to units per

3611
04:47:13,101 --> 04:47:17,981
hectare, just multiply it by how many hectares exist. Within

3612
04:47:17,981 --> 04:47:22,780
that specific land use designation. But then if you're focusing

3613
04:47:22,780 --> 04:47:26,688
on taking that number to people in jobs, By. Look

3614
04:47:26,688 --> 04:47:29,448
at the gross floor area from the floor space index.

3615
04:47:31,003 --> 04:47:34,857
You're then able to use. Your average unit sizes that

3616
04:47:34,857 --> 04:47:41,303
are directed. By, for example. Often the development charges background

3617
04:47:41,303 --> 04:47:44,383
study. You can take that information to divide it into

3618
04:47:44,383 --> 04:47:48,023
the types of units that you're expected under each designation.

3619
04:47:48,023 --> 04:47:51,143
And then once you identify your number of units, you

3620
04:47:51,143 --> 04:47:53,903
then take your average unit size, and then once you

3621
04:47:53,903 --> 04:47:58,392
have your average unit size, you then say, okay. Within

3622
04:47:58,392 --> 04:48:01,832
a one bedroom apartment, you might expect 1.6 people, and

3623
04:48:01,832 --> 04:48:04,552
you multiply it by that in a townhouse, you might

3624
04:48:04,552 --> 04:48:06,992
expect 2.7 people. You multiply that and there. Are different

3625
04:48:06,992 --> 04:48:10,672
numbers for different uses. Those gives you your number of

3626
04:48:10,672 --> 04:48:14,472
people. Use something very similar for your employment where depending

3627
04:48:14,472 --> 04:48:16,792
on what type of employment it is, you have specific

3628
04:48:16,792 --> 04:48:20,899
ratio. Ratios of how many people work per square meter.

3629
04:48:22,700 --> 04:48:26,758
It's a bit easier. In the units per hectare because

3630
04:48:26,758 --> 04:48:28,558
you already have the number of units, but then you

3631
04:48:28,558 --> 04:48:31,678
still use the same ratios, divide it up into the

3632
04:48:31,678 --> 04:48:36,420
types of units. In the same area. Of land. Not

3633
04:48:36,420 --> 04:48:41,075
of land. Of floor plates, floor space that you have

3634
04:48:41,075 --> 04:48:43,515
for each of those units, and then you multiply. Again

3635
04:48:43,515 --> 04:48:45,715
by the multiplier for the number of people, and that's

3636
04:48:45,715 --> 04:48:47,955
how you come up with those numbers. I'm going to

3637
04:48:47,955 --> 04:48:51,805
turn it over because. It was direction from the town

3638
04:48:51,805 --> 04:48:56,725
and it's within the existing official plan. It uses both.

3639
04:48:56,725 --> 04:48:59,405
Units per hectare as well as floor space index, but

3640
04:48:59,405 --> 04:49:01,565
I'll turn it over to Keith. To explain the reason

3641
04:49:01,565 --> 04:49:05,372
behind that. Thank you, David. Through the chair to the

3642
04:49:05,372 --> 04:49:12,212
Councillor. So the first thing I'll say is, Traditionally for

3643
04:49:12,212 --> 04:49:15,492
high density residential area, we had a 100 units per

3644
04:49:15,492 --> 04:49:19,837
hectare maximum. Over last ten years or so. I think

3645
04:49:19,837 --> 04:49:22,677
development review staff have found that to be challenging generally.

3646
04:49:22,677 --> 04:49:25,637
The high density projects that come in request to exceed

3647
04:49:25,637 --> 04:49:28,237
that. So that is one reason why we started looking

3648
04:49:28,237 --> 04:49:34,074
at the floor space index. The other reason is that

3649
04:49:34,074 --> 04:49:37,034
the floor space index for a builder provides a little

3650
04:49:37,034 --> 04:49:41,419
bit more flexibility. In that you're identifying the fuller area

3651
04:49:41,419 --> 04:49:46,178
for a building that the developer. Can then carve up

3652
04:49:46,178 --> 04:49:49,018
into the units that they so wish, depending on what

3653
04:49:49,018 --> 04:49:52,716
the market is. Dictating. So if, say, the market is

3654
04:49:52,716 --> 04:49:55,156
dictating that a bachelor is smaller or a smaller one.

3655
04:49:55,156 --> 04:49:58,316
Bedroom unit is popular and would they believe it would

3656
04:49:58,316 --> 04:50:00,276
sell? They could create more units that way. In the

3657
04:50:00,276 --> 04:50:04,036
same building, the same floor area, or in the other

3658
04:50:04,036 --> 04:50:08,300
way. If more, the community is desiring three bedroom units.

3659
04:50:09,705 --> 04:50:12,865
It's more flexibility that way. So we had heard through

3660
04:50:12,865 --> 04:50:15,785
some of our technical review committee. And things like that,

3661
04:50:15,785 --> 04:50:20,212
that this was a preferred way to go. In terms

3662
04:50:20,212 --> 04:50:23,652
of based on the heights at 16 and twelve stories

3663
04:50:23,652 --> 04:50:26,772
in our identity, residential mixed use areas that this would

3664
04:50:26,772 --> 04:50:29,332
be a better option and a better measure of density.

3665
04:50:30,800 --> 04:50:32,720
So that explains it in a nutshell. Why we were

3666
04:50:32,720 --> 04:50:35,937
gone with this direction. Well, I think you've all made

3667
04:50:35,937 --> 04:50:39,979
my point. I don't know how the public could ever

3668
04:50:39,979 --> 04:50:43,299
figure out exactly what's going to happen here. But just

3669
04:50:43,299 --> 04:50:49,828
on the last point. Of just doing the floor space

3670
04:50:49,828 --> 04:50:52,668
so that the developer can divide it up according to

3671
04:50:52,668 --> 04:50:57,842
the market. And these would largely be condos. The condo

3672
04:50:57,842 --> 04:51:00,842
market has been based on who wants to invest. In

3673
04:51:00,842 --> 04:51:05,082
condos. Not which families, what the family needs. But what

3674
04:51:05,082 --> 04:51:09,890
does the market need to make? Money on it. And

3675
04:51:09,890 --> 04:51:14,214
to me. We've sort of ceded it to these people

3676
04:51:14,214 --> 04:51:15,534
out there that are going to make a lot of

3677
04:51:15,534 --> 04:51:19,818
money. But then we've ended up with not enough family

3678
04:51:19,818 --> 04:51:24,189
units. People buy up four and five condos just to

3679
04:51:24,189 --> 04:51:30,091
make some money. And they don't care about how the

3680
04:51:30,091 --> 04:51:32,611
building is looked after and who's on. The condo board

3681
04:51:32,611 --> 04:51:35,821
and all of that stuff. So it's just part of

3682
04:51:35,821 --> 04:51:38,541
a system that's not working very well if we're trying

3683
04:51:38,541 --> 04:51:43,032
to create this. We said vibrant community. Through the chair.

3684
04:51:43,032 --> 04:51:45,232
I do appreciate that point. I will say that we

3685
04:51:45,232 --> 04:51:48,632
have had our high density residential mixed use areas in

3686
04:51:48,632 --> 04:51:51,512
place. Those designations in place for almost 15 years now,

3687
04:51:51,512 --> 04:51:55,587
and we haven't seen a unit be built. So I

3688
04:51:55,587 --> 04:51:57,827
think in some ways we were looking at how to

3689
04:51:57,827 --> 04:52:00,907
get development going, period. But I think I do appreciate

3690
04:52:00,907 --> 04:52:04,740
that. The points you make that there's no guarantee on

3691
04:52:04,740 --> 04:52:09,542
what will be built. In that lease. But can't be

3692
04:52:09,542 --> 04:52:18,110
negotiated. That would be at the development application stage. Okay,

3693
04:52:18,110 --> 04:52:21,630
well, finally, I think the public is going to have

3694
04:52:21,630 --> 04:52:25,430
trouble understanding what all this means, and the idea that

3695
04:52:25,430 --> 04:52:29,342
there might be renderings out there to show. Them, I

3696
04:52:29,342 --> 04:52:32,782
think would be very useful, like a picture of what's

3697
04:52:32,782 --> 04:52:36,542
it feel like from the standing at the ghost station

3698
04:52:36,542 --> 04:52:40,855
looking up around you. What does it look like? I

3699
04:52:40,855 --> 04:52:44,950
have trouble with that. So that's a fair point for

3700
04:52:44,950 --> 04:52:47,310
the next public open house and future engagement. Absolutely. We

3701
04:52:47,310 --> 04:52:51,537
can look into a focus on that. Absolutely. And through

3702
04:52:51,537 --> 04:52:56,409
you, Mr. Chair. To Councillor Fogel. We have actually tested.

3703
04:52:57,428 --> 04:52:59,820
It's a very fair point. We've tested each of these

3704
04:52:59,820 --> 04:53:03,838
designations to show what would it look like? If you

3705
04:53:03,838 --> 04:53:06,918
follow the policies and if you follow the zoning regulations

3706
04:53:06,918 --> 04:53:10,358
and you build out to these densities. What does it

3707
04:53:10,358 --> 04:53:12,798
mean for how many buildings you can fit on site?

3708
04:53:12,798 --> 04:53:15,878
What are those? Floor plates. What is the separation between

3709
04:53:15,878 --> 04:53:20,088
these buildings? And we'll bring those forward to the next

3710
04:53:20,088 --> 04:53:25,154
public open house. We haven't specifically spoken about providing renderings,

3711
04:53:25,154 --> 04:53:28,119
but that's a conversation. We can certainly have, but, yeah,

3712
04:53:28,119 --> 04:53:30,319
a picture is worth 1000 words, and it's a very.

3713
04:53:30,319 --> 04:53:36,000
Fair point. Okay. Thank you for that. And I'm also

3714
04:53:36,000 --> 04:53:38,720
trying to get my head around transportation that everybody's going

3715
04:53:38,720 --> 04:53:43,696
to have to have cars there because. There's no transit

3716
04:53:43,696 --> 04:53:48,253
other than the go train and the bus. But not

3717
04:53:48,253 --> 04:53:50,733
for around the town or not if you want to

3718
04:53:50,733 --> 04:53:55,105
get to Orangeville. There's going to be a lot of

3719
04:53:55,105 --> 04:53:58,145
cars and there's no schools, so everybody's going to be

3720
04:53:58,145 --> 04:54:03,487
driving or buses coming up and around that area. I

3721
04:54:03,487 --> 04:54:06,847
don't know. I see it very congested sites as a

3722
04:54:06,847 --> 04:54:12,600
result of that. So somehow. We have to figure out

3723
04:54:12,600 --> 04:54:16,175
where all those cars going. It looks tight to me.

3724
04:54:19,348 --> 04:54:24,104
With not that much space. For amenities. With that many

3725
04:54:24,104 --> 04:54:30,444
people, that many cars. Looks difficult to me. But anyway,

3726
04:54:30,444 --> 04:54:36,237
one final question. Is that? This is for staff. The

3727
04:54:36,237 --> 04:54:41,042
public input that we've been doing. When it's just those

3728
04:54:41,042 --> 04:54:44,458
boards that go up around the room. I find it's

3729
04:54:44,458 --> 04:54:47,898
very hard for people to understand that they sort of

3730
04:54:47,898 --> 04:54:50,258
look at it. And go, oh, make some sense out

3731
04:54:50,258 --> 04:54:53,098
of this, and then maybe they go to another one,

3732
04:54:53,098 --> 04:54:55,378
but. The kind of meetings where we do a presentation.

3733
04:54:57,025 --> 04:55:00,105
Like we just had tonight, take people through it and

3734
04:55:00,105 --> 04:55:03,705
then listen to everybody's questions and. Hear the answers is

3735
04:55:03,705 --> 04:55:08,604
way better. For actually understanding what we're talking about. And

3736
04:55:08,604 --> 04:55:11,484
I'm hoping that we could, at some point, go back

3737
04:55:11,484 --> 04:55:15,639
to that. Given how big this is in the town,

3738
04:55:15,639 --> 04:55:19,039
like, it's infill, it's. Not like doing the fields out

3739
04:55:19,039 --> 04:55:22,239
at southeast Georgetown. This is right in people's neighborhoods that

3740
04:55:22,239 --> 04:55:25,919
we're talking about, so I think we need a higher

3741
04:55:25,919 --> 04:55:31,566
degree. Of helping people understand what it is. Okay, I

3742
04:55:31,566 --> 04:55:33,606
can just comment to the chair, to this Councillor. I

3743
04:55:33,606 --> 04:55:36,006
will take that into consideration. I. Think the last time

3744
04:55:36,006 --> 04:55:37,726
we had a public open house, we did try to

3745
04:55:37,726 --> 04:55:41,966
carve out an hour after the presentation, as you said,

3746
04:55:41,966 --> 04:55:45,366
to do that, and maybe that was challenging this time

3747
04:55:45,366 --> 04:55:48,406
around. We certainly can do more focus on the presentation.

3748
04:55:50,521 --> 04:55:53,001
With strict Q and A afterwards. I think we just

3749
04:55:53,001 --> 04:55:55,641
maybe bring the boards as displays that people can read

3750
04:55:55,641 --> 04:55:57,961
before and after. We do like the people to feel

3751
04:55:57,961 --> 04:56:00,681
comfortable, to stick around and look. At them and ask

3752
04:56:00,681 --> 04:56:02,721
one on one questions if they can, so we'd still

3753
04:56:02,721 --> 04:56:06,376
like to. Provide that as a service, but absolutely. We

3754
04:56:06,376 --> 04:56:09,576
can consider that even in the coming up forthcoming public

3755
04:56:09,576 --> 04:56:13,987
open house to be more presentation focused. With commissioner Linhardt

3756
04:56:13,987 --> 04:56:18,694
had a comment. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just wanted to

3757
04:56:18,694 --> 04:56:21,454
follow up on a couple of points that Mr. Hamilton

3758
04:56:21,454 --> 04:56:24,614
made. In it. So with respect to density and moving

3759
04:56:24,614 --> 04:56:27,334
forward, how we'll be dealing with this, so if you're

3760
04:56:27,334 --> 04:56:33,206
dealing with either lower medium density product, Expect to still

3761
04:56:33,206 --> 04:56:36,166
see the calculation done on a units per hectare basis

3762
04:56:36,166 --> 04:56:39,920
and you'll see. That in the chart. For medium density

3763
04:56:39,920 --> 04:56:42,680
residential area. Now it sort of says what the base

3764
04:56:42,680 --> 04:56:46,200
is in the parent official plan at 21 to 50

3765
04:56:46,200 --> 04:56:50,582
units per hectare and then. In the next. Column, if

3766
04:56:50,582 --> 04:56:54,222
you will. It shows 35 to 75 units per net

3767
04:56:54,222 --> 04:56:55,862
hectare, so it's just. Giving you a bit of the

3768
04:56:55,862 --> 04:57:00,980
range or the changes that we're looking at. Insofar as

3769
04:57:00,980 --> 04:57:05,980
higher density development goes. So essentially apartments, we are moving

3770
04:57:05,980 --> 04:57:09,340
towards floor space index. As the way to calculate it

3771
04:57:09,340 --> 04:57:13,575
when you're dealing. In a more infill or intensification scenario.

3772
04:57:14,845 --> 04:57:17,972
We just find that that makes more sense. To do

3773
04:57:17,972 --> 04:57:20,892
it that way rather than the units per hectare calculation,

3774
04:57:20,892 --> 04:57:25,081
because. You have parcels that are very irregular shape. There's

3775
04:57:25,081 --> 04:57:28,321
no real uniformity in a lot. Of cases. You're relying

3776
04:57:28,321 --> 04:57:31,656
on land assembly to make projects work. So if you

3777
04:57:31,656 --> 04:57:34,656
looked in the existing go station secondary plant right now

3778
04:57:34,656 --> 04:57:38,456
as it exists today, as approved by Councillor Fsi is

3779
04:57:38,456 --> 04:57:42,656
used for the Mountain View road property. For the Rosetta

3780
04:57:42,656 --> 04:57:46,856
property. We used it on the former memorial arena site.

3781
04:57:46,856 --> 04:57:50,256
Now, the amico lands all through there. The recent approval

3782
04:57:50,256 --> 04:57:52,768
we did on day foot drive. We've all used floor

3783
04:57:52,768 --> 04:57:57,929
space index. To govern those specific projects on an individual

3784
04:57:57,929 --> 04:58:01,315
basis. The other. Challenging part, of course, in all of

3785
04:58:01,315 --> 04:58:03,595
this is that the province then wants us to look

3786
04:58:03,595 --> 04:58:06,755
at persons and jobs per hectare right across the entire

3787
04:58:06,755 --> 04:58:09,635
plant area. And that's something that we have to look

3788
04:58:09,635 --> 04:58:12,435
at, frankly, because the province asked us to do so,

3789
04:58:12,435 --> 04:58:16,298
not because. We particularly think it's the be all and

3790
04:58:16,298 --> 04:58:18,538
end all, but it is something that the province asks

3791
04:58:18,538 --> 04:58:20,338
for, and that's what we have to do. So those

3792
04:58:20,338 --> 04:58:22,418
are some of the things that we need to look

3793
04:58:22,418 --> 04:58:25,978
at. And I think maybe the last comment I will

3794
04:58:25,978 --> 04:58:29,938
offer is on units per hectare for apartments, and Keith

3795
04:58:29,938 --> 04:58:33,378
made reference to 100 units per hectare as a historic

3796
04:58:33,378 --> 04:58:37,934
standard. Yes, that's true, but. We've consistently had to surpass

3797
04:58:37,934 --> 04:58:41,374
that because, frankly, eight stories and 100 units per hectare

3798
04:58:41,374 --> 04:58:43,734
it just doesn't work. So we see over and over

3799
04:58:43,734 --> 04:58:47,094
again, we get requests from the private sector to amend

3800
04:58:47,094 --> 04:58:49,854
that, and either through an increase in the number of

3801
04:58:49,854 --> 04:58:53,534
units per hectare or moving towards a floor space index

3802
04:58:53,534 --> 04:58:56,294
or in the case of destination downtown, we decided to.

3803
04:58:57,104 --> 04:59:00,264
Control development strictly on the basis of height. And we

3804
04:59:00,264 --> 04:59:02,744
decided we wouldn't even bother with units per hectare or

3805
04:59:02,744 --> 04:59:06,184
floor space index. So there's so many different ways you

3806
04:59:06,184 --> 04:59:09,915
can do this. And it's a matter of finding. Okay,

3807
04:59:09,915 --> 04:59:12,835
what makes the most sense in a given geographic? Area

3808
04:59:12,835 --> 04:59:15,395
depending upon the context. So I just wanted to add

3809
04:59:15,395 --> 04:59:20,549
that to assist the discussion. Thank you, commissioner. Councillor Brass.

3810
04:59:22,800 --> 04:59:26,951
Thank you. Chair through YouTube planning. I was listening to

3811
04:59:26,951 --> 04:59:31,018
all this discussion and going through. The various iterations and

3812
04:59:31,018 --> 04:59:36,045
explanations. I zoomed in on the act in major transit

3813
04:59:36,045 --> 04:59:39,005
area, I should say, and I'm wondering as we go

3814
04:59:39,005 --> 04:59:43,495
through and whatever we settle on here. Does that have

3815
04:59:43,495 --> 04:59:48,678
precedent? For the act and go area as well. Through

3816
04:59:48,678 --> 04:59:51,158
the chair. My short answer will be no, it doesn't,

3817
04:59:51,158 --> 04:59:53,758
because it's going. To be looked at through its own

3818
04:59:53,758 --> 04:59:56,358
study, subject to the approval of the capital budget for

3819
04:59:56,358 --> 04:59:59,478
next year, and you would really go through the detailed

3820
04:59:59,478 --> 05:00:03,198
analysis and make a determination what makes sense there. And

3821
05:00:03,198 --> 05:00:05,358
we also know in the case of Acton, you also

3822
05:00:05,358 --> 05:00:10,278
have a servicing constraint that. Is much more significant than

3823
05:00:10,278 --> 05:00:13,558
anything we have in Georgetown. So that's another consideration. But

3824
05:00:13,558 --> 05:00:16,118
bottom line is whatever you set for here will not

3825
05:00:16,118 --> 05:00:19,318
be the precedent for what you said enacting. Okay. Thank

3826
05:00:19,318 --> 05:00:25,933
you. Thank you, Councillor Norris. Well, thank you, Mr. Chair.

3827
05:00:27,828 --> 05:00:30,771
And. My question I was waiting for because I'm hearing

3828
05:00:30,771 --> 05:00:32,651
part of it coming from Councillor fogle. Part of it

3829
05:00:32,651 --> 05:00:35,411
coming from Councillor Garno, but I just want to say,

3830
05:00:35,411 --> 05:00:38,251
after 7 hours, of not having anything to say. Commissioner

3831
05:00:38,251 --> 05:00:40,611
lindhard, you, I think came up with the answer. That

3832
05:00:40,611 --> 05:00:44,389
we wanted here because. We are talking different things within

3833
05:00:44,389 --> 05:00:46,349
even one report. As I just look at the one

3834
05:00:46,349 --> 05:00:49,109
report and we've got the different ones. So I'm hearing

3835
05:00:49,109 --> 05:00:52,229
that the number of people can go from 1.6 to

3836
05:00:52,229 --> 05:00:56,870
2.7. So actually going by the units, can we actually

3837
05:00:56,870 --> 05:01:00,714
now say that that's what we will? Use. In the

3838
05:01:00,714 --> 05:01:03,354
reports that the public will see at the public meetings.

3839
05:01:04,968 --> 05:01:07,289
Is that what we should go with? Are you still

3840
05:01:07,289 --> 05:01:09,329
thinking that maybe we should go with people? And if

3841
05:01:09,329 --> 05:01:12,249
we do, can we go? With just one or the

3842
05:01:12,249 --> 05:01:17,378
other. So through the chair to the Councillor. Great question.

3843
05:01:17,378 --> 05:01:19,338
So we have the provincial piece that we have. To

3844
05:01:19,338 --> 05:01:22,418
deal with. And I think, as the consultant alluded to

3845
05:01:22,418 --> 05:01:25,618
for this, for a major transistation area on a go

3846
05:01:25,618 --> 05:01:29,778
line. They've set a minimum target of 150 residents and

3847
05:01:29,778 --> 05:01:34,496
jobs per hectare for what I'll call the. Collective area.

3848
05:01:35,708 --> 05:01:38,748
Then there's a bit of a caveat that you can

3849
05:01:38,748 --> 05:01:42,948
ask the minister for an alternative target. If you believe

3850
05:01:42,948 --> 05:01:48,060
that you cannot achieve that target. And effectively, what you've

3851
05:01:48,060 --> 05:01:51,608
heard tonight. Is even sort of rolling up our sleeves

3852
05:01:51,608 --> 05:01:55,528
and looking at the possibility of some increases in density.

3853
05:01:55,528 --> 05:01:58,288
We don't believe you would get to 150 residents and

3854
05:01:58,288 --> 05:02:01,888
jobs per hector within this larger geographic area. So I

3855
05:02:01,888 --> 05:02:03,928
think there were a couple of numbers bantied. About one

3856
05:02:03,928 --> 05:02:09,623
was around. 125 if my words, everything went well. And

3857
05:02:09,623 --> 05:02:12,063
all the projects advanced as is set out in the

3858
05:02:12,063 --> 05:02:15,726
plan, you would get to around 125. There was another

3859
05:02:15,726 --> 05:02:18,566
number that said what it may average out around 100.

3860
05:02:18,566 --> 05:02:20,486
So one of the decisions that we would have to

3861
05:02:20,486 --> 05:02:25,086
make through this process is what is the minimum target

3862
05:02:25,086 --> 05:02:27,166
that we would want to go to the province with

3863
05:02:27,166 --> 05:02:31,246
for that I'll call aggregate density target for the geographic

3864
05:02:31,246 --> 05:02:34,006
area as a whole. So that's something we haven't arrived

3865
05:02:34,006 --> 05:02:37,476
at. A definitive conclus. Conclusion tonight that's really a final

3866
05:02:37,476 --> 05:02:41,396
study deliverable that would be implemented in the secondary plan,

3867
05:02:41,396 --> 05:02:43,156
and then that's what we would go to the province

3868
05:02:43,156 --> 05:02:46,916
with. So that's still open for discussion. The other ranges

3869
05:02:46,916 --> 05:02:50,716
that you see here are for specific land use designations

3870
05:02:50,716 --> 05:02:54,156
that would sit inside the secondary plan itself. So pick

3871
05:02:54,156 --> 05:02:57,542
your area, whether it's a low. Density area, a medium

3872
05:02:57,542 --> 05:03:00,662
density area or one of the high density areas, and

3873
05:03:00,662 --> 05:03:04,412
then that's. Giving you an indication of. Either units per

3874
05:03:04,412 --> 05:03:07,372
hectare or a floor space index, and then you will

3875
05:03:07,372 --> 05:03:11,172
also get an indication on heights, depending on the geographic

3876
05:03:11,172 --> 05:03:13,492
area, so it's almost like drilling down at the site

3877
05:03:13,492 --> 05:03:17,052
level. Versus that aggregate total. And the province is kind

3878
05:03:17,052 --> 05:03:19,692
of interested in the aggregate total. Based on what's? In

3879
05:03:19,692 --> 05:03:22,772
the provincial planning statement, but you kind of get to

3880
05:03:22,772 --> 05:03:26,084
the aggregate total. By factoring in what you may achieve

3881
05:03:26,084 --> 05:03:30,684
on individual sites. Just as planners, we've always looked at

3882
05:03:30,684 --> 05:03:33,684
either units per hectare on a site or use the

3883
05:03:33,684 --> 05:03:36,684
floor space index, and then you build from there to

3884
05:03:36,684 --> 05:03:39,764
get to that combined residence and jobs for Hector over

3885
05:03:39,764 --> 05:03:43,042
the broader geographic area. So I know it's a bit

3886
05:03:43,042 --> 05:03:46,922
confusing, but hopefully that helps a little. It does. And

3887
05:03:46,922 --> 05:03:48,882
just so I understand. So when we do get to

3888
05:03:48,882 --> 05:03:51,682
that point where we presenting to the public like the

3889
05:03:51,682 --> 05:03:54,282
one that's coming up on November 27. We won't have

3890
05:03:54,282 --> 05:03:57,522
all three. Different. Your team will just agree to go

3891
05:03:57,522 --> 05:04:02,740
with one number, whether it's units or people. Because that

3892
05:04:02,740 --> 05:04:06,980
confusion. Will. And I think Councillor Fogle said that confusion

3893
05:04:06,980 --> 05:04:08,340
when it gets to the public level is going to

3894
05:04:08,340 --> 05:04:10,940
be a problem. So am I hearing correctly that we

3895
05:04:10,940 --> 05:04:12,580
are just going to use one? When it comes to

3896
05:04:12,580 --> 05:04:21,120
presenting to them. Great question through the chair. I want

3897
05:04:21,120 --> 05:04:23,320
to take that away and think about it with the

3898
05:04:23,320 --> 05:04:27,320
team, exactly what we show, right? Now, in the report,

3899
05:04:27,320 --> 05:04:31,080
it's basically saying you could maybe do 125 if all

3900
05:04:31,080 --> 05:04:35,129
goes well. The question in my mind, though, is that

3901
05:04:35,129 --> 05:04:37,369
really going to be the minimum target or is that

3902
05:04:37,369 --> 05:04:40,329
maybe more of a maximum, and I think the province

3903
05:04:40,329 --> 05:04:43,129
is looking for a minimum target, so I think that's

3904
05:04:43,129 --> 05:04:45,129
what we have to turn our mind to right now

3905
05:04:45,129 --> 05:04:51,583
is more the minimum. Than the maximum. Thank you. Councilor

3906
05:04:51,583 --> 05:04:57,366
Keen. Give me a comment. Commissioner Lynnhardt, my next question

3907
05:04:57,366 --> 05:05:01,424
might just make your job even harder. Looking at the

3908
05:05:01,424 --> 05:05:06,688
changes to the plans proposed by the consultant. The new

3909
05:05:06,688 --> 05:05:09,128
land use. High density land use areas one and two.

3910
05:05:12,001 --> 05:05:15,221
Around the ghost station. Made complete sense to me. And

3911
05:05:15,221 --> 05:05:17,581
even the higher towers of the mayor was referring to

3912
05:05:17,581 --> 05:05:19,781
I kind of see how that fits, being such close

3913
05:05:19,781 --> 05:05:24,452
proximity to the ghost station. It's the high density area

3914
05:05:24,452 --> 05:05:27,692
number three down on the corner of Maple and Gulf

3915
05:05:27,692 --> 05:05:29,132
street. I'm kind of having a hard time getting my

3916
05:05:29,132 --> 05:05:33,344
head around. That's where the postsees are on strike right

3917
05:05:33,344 --> 05:05:37,446
now, right? The current post station. And Gary Allen High

3918
05:05:37,446 --> 05:05:40,855
School in that area there. I don't see them going

3919
05:05:40,855 --> 05:05:46,295
anywhere in the foreseeable future, for starters, but. I see

3920
05:05:46,295 --> 05:05:49,620
that. Proposing a height designation of almost ten stories. Six

3921
05:05:49,620 --> 05:05:53,140
to ten stories. I realize there's some three or four

3922
05:05:53,140 --> 05:05:56,220
story walk ups across the road on the other side

3923
05:05:56,220 --> 05:06:03,023
on the corner there already. Existing. I just think. That's

3924
05:06:03,023 --> 05:06:06,903
really on the outskirts of the study zone, and there

3925
05:06:06,903 --> 05:06:08,903
ain't nobody in a tower there that's going to be

3926
05:06:08,903 --> 05:06:12,103
walking to the ghost station or even riding their bike

3927
05:06:12,103 --> 05:06:15,841
they're all going to be driving. If they're commuting. So

3928
05:06:15,841 --> 05:06:18,241
I'm just wondering what the rationale was. For increasing the

3929
05:06:18,241 --> 05:06:22,081
density in that corner just because it was already designated

3930
05:06:22,081 --> 05:06:25,488
a high density area. On the original plan or that

3931
05:06:25,488 --> 05:06:28,939
talks about options there potentially. For? What do they call

3932
05:06:28,939 --> 05:06:32,179
it? Sure. No, I understand what you're saying through the

3933
05:06:32,179 --> 05:06:38,422
chair. Potential amenities use or something. Opportunities for community amenities

3934
05:06:38,422 --> 05:06:42,022
is a possible opportunity. So through the chair, I know

3935
05:06:42,022 --> 05:06:44,862
the consultants is coming up to the podium to speak

3936
05:06:44,862 --> 05:06:48,222
to this. I'll just quickly. Say something. So, yes, at

3937
05:06:48,222 --> 05:06:51,382
that intersection, it is high density in the town's existing

3938
05:06:51,382 --> 05:06:55,001
official. Plan, even though those. Lands sit outside of the

3939
05:06:55,001 --> 05:06:58,881
existing ghost station secondary plan. But it is high density

3940
05:06:58,881 --> 05:07:03,302
now, so that. Would permit up to eight stories. A

3941
05:07:03,302 --> 05:07:05,862
bit of a history there at one point. I know

3942
05:07:05,862 --> 05:07:08,932
it's Gary Allen High school. Now. Once upon a time.

3943
05:07:09,986 --> 05:07:13,266
Was, I believe, Wrigglesworth Public School, which was declared surplus

3944
05:07:13,266 --> 05:07:16,546
by the Halton district. School board several years ago when

3945
05:07:16,546 --> 05:07:19,826
we were doing the current official plan in the early

3946
05:07:19,826 --> 05:07:22,946
two thousand s and discussions that we held with the

3947
05:07:22,946 --> 05:07:25,866
school board at that time identified that as a suitable

3948
05:07:25,866 --> 05:07:29,066
site for high density purposes. Since that time, obviously the.

3949
05:07:30,295 --> 05:07:32,775
School board has repurposed the site for Gary Allen High

3950
05:07:32,775 --> 05:07:35,615
School, and I think, obviously, we recognize that as we

3951
05:07:35,615 --> 05:07:39,979
recognize that the post office is there, but. If I

3952
05:07:39,979 --> 05:07:42,179
can take you back to a comment the consultants made

3953
05:07:42,179 --> 05:07:44,939
about this being a plan out. To 2051 so things

3954
05:07:44,939 --> 05:07:49,781
can change. Over the horizon. And this is really identifying

3955
05:07:49,781 --> 05:07:54,513
an opportunity should things change within this area. This would

3956
05:07:54,513 --> 05:07:57,793
be, in my view, a good site for redevelopment purposes,

3957
05:07:57,793 --> 05:08:00,273
given the Gulf street location, so that's a bit of

3958
05:08:00,273 --> 05:08:03,184
the backdrop, but with that. I will turn it to

3959
05:08:03,184 --> 05:08:07,934
the consultants to provide any additional input. Thank you. Not

3960
05:08:07,934 --> 05:08:09,854
much to add there, but yeah, just to pull up.

3961
05:08:13,543 --> 05:08:16,143
The comparison of the existing land use schedule against the

3962
05:08:16,143 --> 05:08:20,740
proposed. So as John mentioned, we are just retaining that

3963
05:08:20,740 --> 05:08:24,380
high speed designation. The only changes that we've added mixed

3964
05:08:24,380 --> 05:08:26,860
use within that title as well, and then added a

3965
05:08:26,860 --> 05:08:30,060
three, and that was more of a way to make

3966
05:08:30,060 --> 05:08:32,420
it a bit more user friendly. So then we have

3967
05:08:32,420 --> 05:08:35,140
a first 2nd 3rd as far as the high density

3968
05:08:35,140 --> 05:08:37,700
category goes. Otherwise, it kind of would have been on

3969
05:08:37,700 --> 05:08:41,870
its own. As a high density residential area, but we

3970
05:08:41,870 --> 05:08:44,230
still wanted to incorporate the mixed use. So just to

3971
05:08:44,230 --> 05:08:47,150
keep things consistent. We changed the name. It was more

3972
05:08:47,150 --> 05:08:51,339
of a naming convention. And for that area, currently it

3973
05:08:51,339 --> 05:08:55,019
has maximum permitted height of eight stories. So this is

3974
05:08:55,019 --> 05:09:00,199
in the range of six to ten. So, assuming that

3975
05:09:00,199 --> 05:09:04,999
things could still land about the same as. They're currently

3976
05:09:04,999 --> 05:09:09,480
allowed being eight stories. Thank you. Just one final comment

3977
05:09:09,480 --> 05:09:11,600
out on that. That's all true. So it's an increase.

3978
05:09:11,600 --> 05:09:17,120
Of two stories, from the existing permissions to the maximum

3979
05:09:17,120 --> 05:09:22,280
heights. And if you see the scale that shows a

3980
05:09:22,280 --> 05:09:28,915
distance there of 250 meters and typically. When you're studying

3981
05:09:28,915 --> 05:09:32,795
a major transit station area, a distance of 800 meters,

3982
05:09:32,795 --> 05:09:37,442
they equate that to a ten minute walk. So. This

3983
05:09:37,442 --> 05:09:40,734
might be? I don't know. It's within still what would

3984
05:09:40,734 --> 05:09:43,694
be considered approximately a ten minute walk of the go

3985
05:09:43,694 --> 05:09:48,116
station. So that tends to. Be within the realm of

3986
05:09:48,116 --> 05:09:56,577
what people consider walkable. Thank you. Before I go to

3987
05:09:56,577 --> 05:09:58,977
the merit a second time speaker, I just wanted to

3988
05:09:58,977 --> 05:10:02,577
follow up on her. Original questioning, I think it has

3989
05:10:02,577 --> 05:10:07,061
kind of been alluded to, but. It's worth emphasizing. The

3990
05:10:07,061 --> 05:10:10,381
plan here as proposed. The density as proposed in this

3991
05:10:10,381 --> 05:10:15,083
plan is below. What the province is asked for, for

3992
05:10:15,083 --> 05:10:18,563
major transit stations. So we are already asking the province.

3993
05:10:19,980 --> 05:10:24,844
For an exemption. Through this plan. That's correct. Right. I

3994
05:10:24,844 --> 05:10:26,684
got a nod from Keith. Okay, so just want to

3995
05:10:26,684 --> 05:10:30,017
make sure that that's very. Clear for everybody. Madam mayor.

3996
05:10:31,864 --> 05:10:35,661
Thanks very much, Mr. Chair. I just want to make

3997
05:10:35,661 --> 05:10:41,572
a comment about the process. That I'm seeing here with

3998
05:10:41,572 --> 05:10:46,259
this particular plan. And it's one that I think has

3999
05:10:46,259 --> 05:10:52,952
been influenced heavily by circumstance. It was described as starting

4000
05:10:52,952 --> 05:11:02,219
in. 2021, changes were made and so forth. But this

4001
05:11:02,219 --> 05:11:07,546
particular process. Started in the spring of 2022. Which was

4002
05:11:07,546 --> 05:11:13,229
just prior to the election. Which happened in October of

4003
05:11:13,229 --> 05:11:20,012
2022. So this process started. Under the regime of the

4004
05:11:20,012 --> 05:11:26,717
old previous council. And then there was obviously. A significant

4005
05:11:26,717 --> 05:11:35,746
change. But the activity continued on. As it is reasonable.

4006
05:11:35,746 --> 05:11:40,719
But also in that time we had Covid. Okay. Public

4007
05:11:40,719 --> 05:11:50,374
consultation. That this council. Has experienced through vision,

4008
05:11:50,374 --> 05:11:56,612
Georgetown through. And more recently through the secondary plans with

4009
05:11:56,612 --> 05:12:04,325
southeast Georgetown, with Stewart Town. And so forth. The amount

4010
05:12:04,325 --> 05:12:09,915
of public consultation and the discussion that happened. The fact

4011
05:12:09,915 --> 05:12:15,258
that a steering committee. Was not struck for. This particular.

4012
05:12:17,019 --> 05:12:25,119
Consultation. Means that. The process, I think, of public consultation

4013
05:12:25,119 --> 05:12:29,479
and in fact, informing this Councillor and the ward counselors.

4014
05:12:31,477 --> 05:12:37,132
Of the way this was unfolding has been. Significantly less.

4015
05:12:38,228 --> 05:12:42,028
Than we have traditionally undertaken in the town of Halton

4016
05:12:42,028 --> 05:12:47,291
Hills. And frankly, I think we've lost a lot in

4017
05:12:47,291 --> 05:12:54,687
that. I was stunned, frankly. A few weeks ago. When

4018
05:12:54,687 --> 05:12:59,046
I went to let's talk. And saw some of these

4019
05:12:59,046 --> 05:13:03,942
studies that had been done. The reports had not been

4020
05:13:03,942 --> 05:13:10,302
brought to my attention, that's for sure. It was there

4021
05:13:10,302 --> 05:13:18,568
for public consumption. But. I hadn't been advised that some

4022
05:13:18,568 --> 05:13:22,390
of this was ready to go. And that I should

4023
05:13:22,390 --> 05:13:26,056
pay attention. And I kind of think if I wasn't

4024
05:13:26,056 --> 05:13:28,256
aware of it, there's got to be a lot of

4025
05:13:28,256 --> 05:13:33,829
other people as well who are not aware. Of the

4026
05:13:33,829 --> 05:13:38,509
way this project and this set of studies has unfolded.

4027
05:13:39,803 --> 05:13:46,140
So. I'm feeling extremely uncomfortable right now. With the level

4028
05:13:46,140 --> 05:13:51,449
of understanding. I think, witnessed the conversation that we had

4029
05:13:51,449 --> 05:13:57,016
about gross floor area. About units per hectare, about heights

4030
05:13:57,016 --> 05:14:00,958
and so forth. I kind of wish we'd had a

4031
05:14:00,958 --> 05:14:08,992
videotape of some of that explanation. Because frankly, it is

4032
05:14:08,992 --> 05:14:16,175
extremely complex. And as I said, I'm feeling very uncomfortable

4033
05:14:16,175 --> 05:14:21,410
with the process that has unfolded. We as a municipality

4034
05:14:21,410 --> 05:14:27,970
typically take public consultation and education and understanding and truth.

4035
05:14:29,359 --> 05:14:35,622
Very, very seriously. And it is my sense that we've

4036
05:14:35,622 --> 05:14:39,211
missed the boat. As I said, for a variety of

4037
05:14:39,211 --> 05:14:47,118
reasons. Elections, Covid. The complexities of the planet itself, the

4038
05:14:47,118 --> 05:14:54,186
lack of a steering committee. The lack of a unified

4039
05:14:54,186 --> 05:15:00,609
neighborhood group that would pay attention. And. Would comment on

4040
05:15:00,609 --> 05:15:05,042
this. Those are all factors, I think, that have led

4041
05:15:05,042 --> 05:15:09,673
us. To a lot of really big question marks here

4042
05:15:09,673 --> 05:15:13,743
at this, I would say, fairly late stage. In the

4043
05:15:13,743 --> 05:15:17,751
secondary planning process. So I'm just laying that out on

4044
05:15:17,751 --> 05:15:23,590
the table. In my position. That I wish that we

4045
05:15:23,590 --> 05:15:26,590
had done things a bit differently on this particular plan.

4046
05:15:28,595 --> 05:15:31,795
See no other questions. Madam Mayor, would you like to

4047
05:15:31,795 --> 05:15:38,225
bring this forward for discussion? Sure? Yes. Bring the report

4048
05:15:38,225 --> 05:15:45,451
forward. Thank you. Any comments on the report? I will

4049
05:15:45,451 --> 05:15:53,517
just say something. I have attended public information meetings both

4050
05:15:53,517 --> 05:15:57,025
in person at the library and on Zoom regarding. This

4051
05:15:57,025 --> 05:16:00,761
secondary plan. I think it's absolutely essential when we look

4052
05:16:00,761 --> 05:16:04,561
at our housing target. I've heard 2000 units is what

4053
05:16:04,561 --> 05:16:08,176
we need to have in our existing urban boundary. And

4054
05:16:08,176 --> 05:16:12,296
intensification, obviously extremely important to my residents and I think

4055
05:16:12,296 --> 05:16:15,496
residents across Halton Hills. And there's no better place in

4056
05:16:15,496 --> 05:16:18,616
our town to intensify them, this area, so. Very pleased

4057
05:16:18,616 --> 05:16:24,866
to see. This. Come forward and move along. Councilor garnell.

4058
05:16:27,036 --> 05:16:31,701
Yes. Thank you. And through you, Mr. Chair. I sometimes

4059
05:16:31,701 --> 05:16:34,101
refer to being a new Councillor, and this will be

4060
05:16:34,101 --> 05:16:41,418
a time that I do that. Again. Having. Been newly

4061
05:16:41,418 --> 05:16:46,796
elected two years ago. So. I came in after this

4062
05:16:46,796 --> 05:16:50,464
project had already started and. I did sit on the

4063
05:16:50,464 --> 05:16:54,704
Stewart Town secondary plan steering committee and through that process

4064
05:16:54,704 --> 05:16:57,744
did have a lot of updates and was very familiar

4065
05:16:57,744 --> 05:17:00,264
with the land use plan when it came to councillor

4066
05:17:00,264 --> 05:17:03,424
and so I understand very much what the mayor was

4067
05:17:03,424 --> 05:17:07,984
saying. About not having been involved with that process for

4068
05:17:07,984 --> 05:17:12,201
this and. When this is having such a big impact

4069
05:17:12,201 --> 05:17:15,161
on the local residents who already have homes and already

4070
05:17:15,161 --> 05:17:20,549
live in those areas and not even. Just within the

4071
05:17:20,549 --> 05:17:25,309
secondary plan area, but all the adjacent neighborhoods and all

4072
05:17:25,309 --> 05:17:28,149
the adjacent folks too. It goes right up to downtown

4073
05:17:28,149 --> 05:17:32,658
Georgetown. So, wondering if the BIA was involved. And some

4074
05:17:32,658 --> 05:17:40,343
other community. Folks. So I'm wondering. If it's possible to

4075
05:17:40,343 --> 05:17:44,249
just slow the process down a little bit. I did

4076
05:17:44,249 --> 05:17:47,249
have a request come in from one of the neighborhood

4077
05:17:47,249 --> 05:17:54,023
associations representatives asking if it's. Possible to. Defer the approval

4078
05:17:54,023 --> 05:17:57,743
tonight and maybe just slow down a little bit, go

4079
05:17:57,743 --> 05:18:03,190
back to the public. And explain some of. This. Because

4080
05:18:03,190 --> 05:18:05,350
I imagine when we get into the next phases, there's

4081
05:18:05,350 --> 05:18:07,550
going to be even more information when we get into

4082
05:18:07,550 --> 05:18:10,150
the policies and everything. So just trying to make sure

4083
05:18:10,150 --> 05:18:20,138
that everyone understands. The land use. The proposed densities. Really

4084
05:18:20,138 --> 05:18:25,269
well. Or at least a little bit. And then continue

4085
05:18:25,269 --> 05:18:28,500
moving forward. So just maybe slow it down, paste it

4086
05:18:28,500 --> 05:18:32,937
a little bit. I'm wondering maybe if staff could speak

4087
05:18:32,937 --> 05:18:37,477
to that. Thank you. Through the chair to the Councillor.

4088
05:18:37,477 --> 05:18:44,765
A few points. So. No, we didn't have the traditional

4089
05:18:44,765 --> 05:18:47,965
steering committee. Yes, we do have a stakeholder. Group, Silver

4090
05:18:47,965 --> 05:18:51,805
Creek Neighborhood association and the John Street Neighborhood group. We

4091
05:18:51,805 --> 05:18:55,245
have had meetings with them where things like Florida Space

4092
05:18:55,245 --> 05:18:59,096
index and units per Hector have been discussed. We have

4093
05:18:59,096 --> 05:19:02,296
circulated them on studies. We have circulated them on the

4094
05:19:02,296 --> 05:19:04,736
preferred land use option report for our comment. We did

4095
05:19:04,736 --> 05:19:07,096
not receive any comments, but we did circulate them. I

4096
05:19:07,096 --> 05:19:11,298
have been. In regular contact with the two representatives for

4097
05:19:11,298 --> 05:19:15,380
those groups, updating them on the project. Through. Let's talk

4098
05:19:15,380 --> 05:19:18,740
Halton Hills. We do regularly update our public notification lists,

4099
05:19:18,740 --> 05:19:22,502
and as well as all. Let's talk. Subscribers on this.

4100
05:19:22,502 --> 05:19:24,022
We have been putting public notice out of both these

4101
05:19:24,022 --> 05:19:28,544
things. So I do want to clarify that. I don't

4102
05:19:28,544 --> 05:19:31,344
believe that the process has been sped up. I think

4103
05:19:31,344 --> 05:19:33,944
we are two and a half years into what was

4104
05:19:33,944 --> 05:19:35,744
originally budgeted, in the terms of reference as a two

4105
05:19:35,744 --> 05:19:41,431
year project. We have. Taken time and careful consideration. Really,

4106
05:19:41,431 --> 05:19:44,991
this entire calendar year has been just the technical work

4107
05:19:44,991 --> 05:19:47,911
that's. Gone into it. Project update report was provided at

4108
05:19:47,911 --> 05:19:50,791
the start of the year, laying out the technical studies

4109
05:19:50,791 --> 05:19:55,349
and all that information. And we're effectively moving forward to

4110
05:19:55,349 --> 05:19:57,869
a public open house in November 27, largely because we

4111
05:19:57,869 --> 05:19:59,909
haven't been to the public in over a year, so

4112
05:19:59,909 --> 05:20:03,285
we would like to engage them. Again. So I just

4113
05:20:03,285 --> 05:20:08,057
wanted to make those points of clarification. Councilor Garnos. Good.

4114
05:20:13,978 --> 05:20:19,582
For now. Councilor Fogo. I guess I'm also feeling a

4115
05:20:19,582 --> 05:20:23,702
little uneasy about it. And I'm not saying that. I

4116
05:20:23,702 --> 05:20:30,165
don't want the density there. But politically, what I'm afraid

4117
05:20:30,165 --> 05:20:33,805
of is approving this. And then the press puts it

4118
05:20:33,805 --> 05:20:36,405
in the paper that we've approved all these towers and

4119
05:20:36,405 --> 05:20:38,885
everything, and then the people that don't know about it.

4120
05:20:38,885 --> 05:20:43,808
Come and say what? When did that happen and what

4121
05:20:43,808 --> 05:20:51,334
did you do? I wonder if. This public information. That

4122
05:20:51,334 --> 05:20:54,388
we're lining up to do. Could be before we approve

4123
05:20:54,388 --> 05:20:59,787
this. Instead of after. It. To the chair? To the

4124
05:20:59,787 --> 05:21:06,902
Councillor, certainly, if that's council's decision. We do still plan

4125
05:21:06,902 --> 05:21:10,977
to go ahead on the 27th. We can refocus. That

4126
05:21:10,977 --> 05:21:14,217
presented materials a little bit there to go back to

4127
05:21:14,217 --> 05:21:17,577
what was presented largely last October when we did go

4128
05:21:17,577 --> 05:21:20,909
over the preferred plan. And density and things like that,

4129
05:21:20,909 --> 05:21:23,469
but if that's our direction, we certainly will do so.

4130
05:21:25,188 --> 05:21:27,828
I do acknowledge that we did see the message from

4131
05:21:27,828 --> 05:21:33,682
the representative of the silver Creek neighbor association. And. We

4132
05:21:33,682 --> 05:21:36,722
can also have more engagement with the groups, more meetings.

4133
05:21:36,722 --> 05:21:40,162
Absolutely. But if that's how we're directed, that's what we'll

4134
05:21:40,162 --> 05:21:43,086
do. Well, I think it would be a good idea.

4135
05:21:44,591 --> 05:21:48,666
Where we're in the room with those people. Like staff

4136
05:21:48,666 --> 05:21:51,866
have gone and talked to Silver Creek, but I haven't

4137
05:21:51,866 --> 05:21:53,586
gone and talked to them. I don't know what they

4138
05:21:53,586 --> 05:21:57,604
said to you, so there's a little bit. Of. I

4139
05:21:57,604 --> 05:22:01,049
wish I knew more about what they were saying. Than.

4140
05:22:02,432 --> 05:22:06,896
I do. And. If it really wouldn't slow us down

4141
05:22:06,896 --> 05:22:10,365
all that much. To sort of have a meeting with

4142
05:22:10,365 --> 05:22:16,114
them and then come back. And get an approval. Commissioner

4143
05:22:16,114 --> 05:22:25,856
Linhardt. So through the chair to the counselor. I

4144
05:22:25,856 --> 05:22:28,816
echo Keith's comments that at the end of the day,

4145
05:22:28,816 --> 05:22:31,336
this is a Councillor decision. How you wish to proceed

4146
05:22:31,336 --> 05:22:34,136
from here. And if Councillor wishes to slow the process

4147
05:22:34,136 --> 05:22:37,016
down, that of. Course, is council's purview to do that.

4148
05:22:38,640 --> 05:22:41,040
In any report, you have an option of approving the

4149
05:22:41,040 --> 05:22:44,920
report, not approving the report, modifying the report in some

4150
05:22:44,920 --> 05:22:48,240
way, shape or fashion or defer in a report. Those

4151
05:22:48,240 --> 05:22:51,920
are basically your choices. Obviously, if you didn't approve the

4152
05:22:51,920 --> 05:22:54,920
report whatsoever, then that sort of begs the question. Well,

4153
05:22:54,920 --> 05:22:59,297
now what? If you were just trying to modify the

4154
05:22:59,297 --> 05:23:04,662
report on the fly. That probably wouldn't be prudent, I

4155
05:23:04,662 --> 05:23:08,118
would suggest. So that really leaves us with either you

4156
05:23:08,118 --> 05:23:12,238
approve it or you defer it to allow for additional

4157
05:23:12,238 --> 05:23:16,006
consultation to take place. And I guess the only other

4158
05:23:16,006 --> 05:23:19,166
thing that I would offer counsel, if you would think

4159
05:23:19,166 --> 05:23:22,166
that would be helpful at some point early in the

4160
05:23:22,166 --> 05:23:26,086
new year is some form of councillor workshop on some

4161
05:23:26,086 --> 05:23:28,606
of the terminology where you could maybe roll up our

4162
05:23:28,606 --> 05:23:31,326
sleeves a little bit more, if that would. Be helpful.

4163
05:23:32,557 --> 05:23:36,056
Given. The. Obviously, there's a lot of terminology, there's a

4164
05:23:36,056 --> 05:23:38,056
lot of moving parts here. There's been a lot of

4165
05:23:38,056 --> 05:23:41,202
change at the provincial level. And really maybe giving you

4166
05:23:41,202 --> 05:23:45,800
some of the. Context, almost what I'll call the starting

4167
05:23:45,800 --> 05:23:50,262
point here, where we are with this particular. Initiative in

4168
05:23:50,262 --> 05:23:52,982
terms of some of the existing permissions that are already

4169
05:23:52,982 --> 05:23:56,367
in place that are sort. Of like your anchor point

4170
05:23:56,367 --> 05:23:59,266
where we're starting from. This is really not a blank

4171
05:23:59,266 --> 05:24:03,303
canvas that we're starting completely from scratch. There are obviously

4172
05:24:03,303 --> 05:24:06,663
existing permissions in place, and as Councillor knows, there's existing

4173
05:24:06,663 --> 05:24:08,903
applications that are currently going through the process, so there's

4174
05:24:08,903 --> 05:24:12,757
a lot of things to think about. Including the potential

4175
05:24:12,757 --> 05:24:16,910
for litigation, so I just offer that as well. As

4176
05:24:16,910 --> 05:24:20,705
a thought. So could we more or less get to

4177
05:24:20,705 --> 05:24:26,074
the finish line? Sort of like maybe a month late

4178
05:24:26,074 --> 05:24:29,521
or something like that. But just do things in the

4179
05:24:29,521 --> 05:24:33,688
other order. There's no concern on my end in doing

4180
05:24:33,688 --> 05:24:38,343
that, frankly. We don't have a hard deadline on getting

4181
05:24:38,343 --> 05:24:41,383
this done, other than, obviously, given the length. At the

4182
05:24:41,383 --> 05:24:43,863
time, it has been ongoing. We don't wish this to

4183
05:24:43,863 --> 05:24:47,263
go on forever. I don't think Councillor would either. So

4184
05:24:47,263 --> 05:24:49,423
we would like to wrap it up sooner rather than.

4185
05:24:49,423 --> 05:24:52,103
Later, but we do have a little bit of time.

4186
05:24:52,103 --> 05:24:54,503
There's not a specific hard deadline. That I have to

4187
05:24:54,503 --> 05:24:56,761
say, if this is not done by such and. Such

4188
05:24:56,761 --> 05:24:59,281
a date. We're getting a call from the minister, which

4189
05:24:59,281 --> 05:25:01,681
I know. Councillor, you're? Familiar with those kind of deadlines

4190
05:25:01,681 --> 05:25:09,560
from other planning processes. Thank you, commissioner. Councillor Somerville. Thank

4191
05:25:09,560 --> 05:25:14,165
you. So, in the recommendation. This is to be approved

4192
05:25:14,165 --> 05:25:17,765
in principle to allow for these other conversations to go

4193
05:25:17,765 --> 05:25:21,531
on and for the preparation of the draft. Secondary plan.

4194
05:25:21,531 --> 05:25:25,093
Is that correct? That's what it says right in the

4195
05:25:25,093 --> 05:25:28,453
recommendations. Through the chair to the Councillor, yes. Okay. So

4196
05:25:28,453 --> 05:25:31,973
I really don't know how much less glacial we want

4197
05:25:31,973 --> 05:25:34,053
to slow this down. It's been around for a long

4198
05:25:34,053 --> 05:25:37,333
time. And, Madam mayor, you could have appointed a steering

4199
05:25:37,333 --> 05:25:41,423
committee. As mayor, it's under your purview. You could have.

4200
05:25:41,423 --> 05:25:43,583
That's one of the things you're able to do. You

4201
05:25:43,583 --> 05:25:47,653
could. Have created a committee to look at this. And

4202
05:25:47,653 --> 05:25:53,279
frankly, this has been around. For. It came back. In

4203
05:25:53,279 --> 05:25:57,827
2021. It was around before that because we did have

4204
05:25:57,827 --> 05:26:01,344
other iterations of it, but. I think the other thing

4205
05:26:01,344 --> 05:26:03,824
for us to all keep in mind is with the

4206
05:26:03,824 --> 05:26:06,824
land assembly that would need to happen for the infrastructure

4207
05:26:06,824 --> 05:26:09,705
that would need to happen. This is going to be

4208
05:26:09,705 --> 05:26:14,367
a very complicated. Area to ever see developed because the

4209
05:26:14,367 --> 05:26:18,287
infrastructure that would have to be updated through existing neighborhoods

4210
05:26:18,287 --> 05:26:23,207
is also part of that as well. So in reality,

4211
05:26:23,207 --> 05:26:27,317
I'm not sure. What? We have enough things there to

4212
05:26:27,317 --> 05:26:29,277
go back out to the public to be able to

4213
05:26:29,277 --> 05:26:33,077
talk. To them without having it anyway. And as the

4214
05:26:33,077 --> 05:26:36,517
planning director just said, we still have those options. It's

4215
05:26:36,517 --> 05:26:39,357
not like we have a hard deadline, but it is

4216
05:26:39,357 --> 05:26:42,637
something I'd like. To see it before us sooner rather

4217
05:26:42,637 --> 05:26:51,308
than later. Any other comments before I take a second

4218
05:26:51,308 --> 05:26:56,710
time? Speakers. Councilor Keene. Just to support. The more I'm

4219
05:26:56,710 --> 05:26:59,190
thinking about it. I made our comments. I don't. See

4220
05:26:59,190 --> 05:27:02,030
what's to be gained by delaying this any further. I

4221
05:27:02,030 --> 05:27:09,146
would support going forward. With it. Mayor Lawler. Yeah, I'm

4222
05:27:09,146 --> 05:27:12,824
going to put a deferral on the floor. And so

4223
05:27:12,824 --> 05:27:19,955
we can decide. Okay. I'd like to suggest that. We

4224
05:27:19,955 --> 05:27:29,901
defer this report. Until the spring, until. Let's say.

4225
05:27:30,201 --> 05:27:35,653
March the 31st. I'm looking at the planning commissioner because.

4226
05:27:38,136 --> 05:27:45,713
In order to allow us. To have time to. Get

4227
05:27:45,713 --> 05:27:50,816
that public consultation. And to advise counsel on what the

4228
05:27:50,816 --> 05:27:58,155
implications. Are for this. And in the meantime, We will

4229
05:27:58,155 --> 05:28:01,875
continue to have the public meeting. That is later on

4230
05:28:01,875 --> 05:28:08,801
in November. And so the processes can continue on. But

4231
05:28:08,801 --> 05:28:14,375
this report would come back. I'll just say March 31.

4232
05:28:17,542 --> 05:28:20,782
And if the planning commissioner has another date in mind.

4233
05:28:22,370 --> 05:28:29,593
I'd be happy. To change that date. The clerk just

4234
05:28:29,593 --> 05:28:32,513
reminded me that March 24 is the Councillor date, so.

4235
05:28:35,613 --> 05:28:41,202
Maybe. It would be that date. But, commissioner. Thank you.

4236
05:28:41,202 --> 05:28:43,162
Thank you, Mr. Chair. At the end of the day,

4237
05:28:43,162 --> 05:28:46,522
this is council's decision. Whether to adopt the report, as

4238
05:28:46,522 --> 05:28:49,882
I said, as is, or whether to modify the recommendations

4239
05:28:49,882 --> 05:28:52,002
in the report. So, as always, we're in your hands.

4240
05:28:54,202 --> 05:28:56,242
The way this is set up and the way I

4241
05:28:56,242 --> 05:29:00,202
would interpret it, if it's deferred until March 24. The

4242
05:29:00,202 --> 05:29:03,642
preferred land use plan is not approved in principle at

4243
05:29:03,642 --> 05:29:07,220
all. It's simply going out for another public open house.

4244
05:29:08,918 --> 05:29:11,958
And in March, if we're using the March date, that

4245
05:29:11,958 --> 05:29:15,078
would be the deadline to bring back a follow up

4246
05:29:15,078 --> 05:29:18,678
report and presumably for Councillor, then to make a determination

4247
05:29:18,678 --> 05:29:21,918
on the preferred land. Use plan and then move on

4248
05:29:21,918 --> 05:29:24,278
into phase four and develop the secondary plan. So that's.

4249
05:29:24,278 --> 05:29:27,198
Really what we're talking about right now in my mind.

4250
05:29:27,198 --> 05:29:30,129
But again, this is entirely up. To. Council. We'll work

4251
05:29:30,129 --> 05:29:32,569
with whatever Councillor directs us to do at this point.

4252
05:29:34,342 --> 05:29:41,848
Well, just further to that. Commissioner. With those dates in

4253
05:29:41,848 --> 05:29:46,530
mind, do you? See that. As holding up the process.

4254
05:29:47,801 --> 05:29:50,809
In a significant way. Is that going to create other

4255
05:29:50,809 --> 05:29:59,578
problems? Through the chair to the mayor. I think a

4256
05:29:59,578 --> 05:30:05,631
lot of it will. Come into play is. Whether in

4257
05:30:05,631 --> 05:30:10,231
that period of time that the matter is deferred. Whether

4258
05:30:10,231 --> 05:30:13,951
everyone works hard and we arrive at a consensus and

4259
05:30:13,951 --> 05:30:19,009
are able to bring back a report. Or whether. This

4260
05:30:19,009 --> 05:30:22,169
spirals into other areas, and sometimes you can get that.

4261
05:30:24,180 --> 05:30:27,637
On a process. So there's a bit of an unknown,

4262
05:30:27,637 --> 05:30:31,329
I guess, is the way I would characterize. It. We

4263
05:30:31,329 --> 05:30:35,919
would obviously proceed in good faith. Conduct the necessary meetings

4264
05:30:35,919 --> 05:30:39,319
and come back with the necessary reports. Sometimes you do

4265
05:30:39,319 --> 05:30:42,399
get into these processes. Though, and you find at the

4266
05:30:42,399 --> 05:30:44,999
end of the day, you can't satisfy everybody and that.

4267
05:30:44,999 --> 05:30:48,588
May be the challenge in all of this. The other

4268
05:30:48,588 --> 05:30:50,668
component, just to bear in mind, is obviously we do

4269
05:30:50,668 --> 05:30:55,023
have one existing application. On the one Rosetta property and

4270
05:30:55,023 --> 05:30:56,783
probably another one that we're going to see in the

4271
05:30:56,783 --> 05:31:01,095
not too distant future as well. And those proposals are

4272
05:31:01,095 --> 05:31:03,895
entitled to due process as well. So that's just something

4273
05:31:03,895 --> 05:31:07,855
to think. About in terms of an overly elongated deferral.

4274
05:31:07,855 --> 05:31:11,990
So just something to bear in mind. Okay, well, and

4275
05:31:11,990 --> 05:31:16,261
they've got existing permissions and existing. That they would be

4276
05:31:16,261 --> 05:31:21,135
submitting under anyway. Right. Yeah. Okay. Yes, that is correct.

4277
05:31:22,563 --> 05:31:26,232
Yeah, okay. All right, so then I'll put that deferral

4278
05:31:26,232 --> 05:31:31,082
on the floor. To March 24 and with the provides,

4279
05:31:31,082 --> 05:31:35,417
though. That we, in fact, do roller upper sleeves and

4280
05:31:35,417 --> 05:31:39,120
that those processes that we already have in place. Such

4281
05:31:39,120 --> 05:31:43,688
as? A public meeting on November the 27th and so

4282
05:31:43,688 --> 05:31:50,130
forth. Will continue on. Okay. Thank you. Councilor brass to

4283
05:31:50,130 --> 05:31:55,204
the deferral. Thank you, chair. Yes, thank you. So I've

4284
05:31:55,204 --> 05:31:59,339
heard a lot of conversation about this tonight. I also

4285
05:31:59,339 --> 05:32:05,267
think that this area. Should be intensified and should be

4286
05:32:05,267 --> 05:32:11,301
dense. But I've heard some cautionary comments from the ward

4287
05:32:11,301 --> 05:32:15,154
three counters. I wonder if. We can. Before I decide

4288
05:32:15,154 --> 05:32:17,194
to vote on the deferral or not, I kind of

4289
05:32:17,194 --> 05:32:20,194
want to know where Councillor Norris and Councillor Garno stand.

4290
05:32:21,826 --> 05:32:25,467
On a deferral or do either of you think. That.

4291
05:32:26,749 --> 05:32:28,829
We haven't gotten far enough along the road for us

4292
05:32:28,829 --> 05:32:34,774
to make a decision yet. Councilor norris. Thank you, Mr.

4293
05:32:34,774 --> 05:32:38,803
Chair. And thank you, Councillor Brass, for that. I've been

4294
05:32:38,803 --> 05:32:41,603
sitting here going through this. I'm. Not a fan of

4295
05:32:41,603 --> 05:32:45,323
deferring this through to next year. I'm hearing what's coming

4296
05:32:45,323 --> 05:32:48,469
from the planning. And it has been out there for

4297
05:32:48,469 --> 05:32:52,549
a long time. My only concern is when we present

4298
05:32:52,549 --> 05:32:54,669
at the end of November. I think it's November 27.

4299
05:32:56,877 --> 05:32:58,877
Will it be clear what the density will be? Will

4300
05:32:58,877 --> 05:33:02,677
there be a lot of confusion at that? Time if

4301
05:33:02,677 --> 05:33:06,777
no. If the public that comes out can clearly see

4302
05:33:06,777 --> 05:33:09,137
what the density is going to be, I'm not a

4303
05:33:09,137 --> 05:33:13,156
big fan of deferring it. I don't want to defer

4304
05:33:13,156 --> 05:33:14,876
it, but I just want to be sure that what

4305
05:33:14,876 --> 05:33:17,876
we're going to be presenting on November 27 and any

4306
05:33:17,876 --> 05:33:20,476
public when it's going to be cleared as to what

4307
05:33:20,476 --> 05:33:22,756
the density is because I'm just looking at the one.

4308
05:33:22,756 --> 05:33:27,941
Report, and we're seeing. Different descriptions on the same line,

4309
05:33:27,941 --> 05:33:30,141
and so I just want to be sure that we'll

4310
05:33:30,141 --> 05:33:34,021
be able to explain that. Or your team will be

4311
05:33:34,021 --> 05:33:38,110
able. To explain that. So that's where I'm at with

4312
05:33:38,110 --> 05:33:42,729
the deferral. Thank you, Councillor Brass, for doing that. Commissioner

4313
05:33:42,729 --> 05:33:47,631
Linhard. So through the chair to the Councillor, we would

4314
05:33:47,631 --> 05:33:53,231
certainly undertake to have a clear set of density. Parameters

4315
05:33:53,231 --> 05:33:56,850
for purposes of this meeting. And maybe. It's as simple

4316
05:33:56,850 --> 05:33:59,170
as saying this is going to be the density on

4317
05:33:59,170 --> 05:34:01,690
this particular site. And sort of going at it that

4318
05:34:01,690 --> 05:34:04,530
way and then concluding with it will aggregate up to

4319
05:34:04,530 --> 05:34:07,330
this. Across the area as a whole. And then if

4320
05:34:07,330 --> 05:34:12,509
someone. Is really keen, if you will. Will have the

4321
05:34:12,509 --> 05:34:15,909
existing permissions in our back pocket that we can present

4322
05:34:15,909 --> 05:34:19,276
to them, because maybe. It's transitioning from one to another

4323
05:34:19,276 --> 05:34:21,356
that may cause confusion. I don't know. At the end

4324
05:34:21,356 --> 05:34:23,716
of the day, but we will make it as clear

4325
05:34:23,716 --> 05:34:27,605
as we possibly can. Thank you, commissioner. And with that

4326
05:34:27,605 --> 05:34:32,239
in mind. With that kind of foot direction. Specifically when

4327
05:34:32,239 --> 05:34:34,239
it comes to the public meetings, I would not support

4328
05:34:34,239 --> 05:34:41,765
the deferral. Thank you. Councilor Garnell. Yeah. From speaking to

4329
05:34:41,765 --> 05:34:44,925
some residents about this project. Not very many people in

4330
05:34:44,925 --> 05:34:52,747
war three know that this is on the horizon. And

4331
05:34:52,747 --> 05:34:57,894
I think deferring it and not deciding. Making a firm

4332
05:34:57,894 --> 05:35:01,574
decision tonight. But still, I do think the density is

4333
05:35:01,574 --> 05:35:04,894
coming. I think everyone knows. It's coming, but I think

4334
05:35:04,894 --> 05:35:09,109
giving time for the residents. And to cast the net

4335
05:35:09,109 --> 05:35:12,469
a bit wider than the neighborhood associations that have been

4336
05:35:12,469 --> 05:35:15,949
involved so far. Because those are very limited neighborhoods where

4337
05:35:15,949 --> 05:35:19,429
this whole area is huge. So there's the Stuart McLaren

4338
05:35:19,429 --> 05:35:27,931
area. There's the area up. Like. Dayfoot north of there.

4339
05:35:27,931 --> 05:35:29,971
There's a lot of different areas within ward three that

4340
05:35:29,971 --> 05:35:32,531
are being affected by this, and I'm not sure that

4341
05:35:32,531 --> 05:35:37,646
everybody's aware. And I just like to, if it's not

4342
05:35:37,646 --> 05:35:40,783
going to slow down the process, Too much or really

4343
05:35:40,783 --> 05:35:46,062
interfere, then I think. Just in the spirit of involving

4344
05:35:46,062 --> 05:35:49,325
as many people as possible in the process. Before the

4345
05:35:49,325 --> 05:35:54,935
decision. Around where the density goes, I think. It would.

4346
05:35:55,451 --> 05:36:01,923
Be. Important to allow. That participation. So I would be

4347
05:36:01,923 --> 05:36:05,266
in favor of a deferral. But still having the meeting.

4348
05:36:06,972 --> 05:36:10,822
And speaking about it. Like presenting it to them again

4349
05:36:10,822 --> 05:36:15,898
and really targeting to get people that haven't been. In

4350
05:36:15,898 --> 05:36:19,058
front of this project yet to ensure that we're including

4351
05:36:19,058 --> 05:36:23,596
as many people as possible. From the whole area. Rather

4352
05:36:23,596 --> 05:36:27,316
than certain neighborhood groups that might be a little bit

4353
05:36:27,316 --> 05:36:35,891
more engaged. Any other comments on the deferral? Councilor fogle.

4354
05:36:37,902 --> 05:36:41,062
Just to be clear, I'm supporting that deferral just in

4355
05:36:41,062 --> 05:36:45,481
order. To what I feel. Complete the circle as far

4356
05:36:45,481 --> 05:36:48,281
as the community is concerned and to do it. In

4357
05:36:48,281 --> 05:36:50,641
a way where it's not a fed accomple. Why am

4358
05:36:50,641 --> 05:36:54,626
I coming out? If you've already decided. So I prefer

4359
05:36:54,626 --> 05:36:58,449
it this way. All right. Thank you. And I will

4360
05:36:58,449 --> 05:37:04,261
not be supporting the deferral to Councillor Keane's. Point. There's

4361
05:37:04,261 --> 05:37:07,181
existing density on Gary Allen and the post office that

4362
05:37:07,181 --> 05:37:09,301
hasn't been acted. On and probably won't be acted on

4363
05:37:09,301 --> 05:37:13,141
whether we pass this or not anytime soon, so. We're

4364
05:37:13,141 --> 05:37:15,941
simply updating our plan. That's what we're doing here, and.

4365
05:37:15,941 --> 05:37:18,141
This isn't the final secondary plan. It's just the preferred

4366
05:37:18,141 --> 05:37:20,701
land use, so I. Think we need to keep the

4367
05:37:20,701 --> 05:37:23,181
ball rolling and to delay it till the end of.

4368
05:37:24,290 --> 05:37:28,671
March is quite significant. With that. All in favor of

4369
05:37:28,671 --> 05:37:37,938
the deferral? That does not pass. So it is now

4370
05:37:37,938 --> 05:37:44,063
on the floor. Any further comments on the report? Moved

4371
05:37:44,063 --> 05:37:47,023
by Councillor Summerville. All in favor of the report moving

4372
05:37:47,023 --> 05:37:54,097
forward. And that passes. Thank you. Sorry. Raise your hand

4373
05:37:54,097 --> 05:37:59,734
again. Keep them up nice high. Thank you. Okay.

4374
05:38:04,701 --> 05:38:11,010
So the next report on the agenda. Report. Number pd

4375
05:38:11,010 --> 05:38:19,472
240 64. Regarding. Bishop Court. And we have a delegation,

4376
05:38:19,472 --> 05:38:24,991
Glenn Wellings from Wellings plan and consultants incorporated. And we'll

4377
05:38:24,991 --> 05:38:27,031
have a five minute timer on the screen for our

4378
05:38:27,031 --> 05:38:29,951
delegations. Just so. We can keep this going. Thank you.

4379
05:38:31,663 --> 05:38:40,154
I try not to laugh. Good evening, Mr. Chairman, Mayor

4380
05:38:40,154 --> 05:38:44,154
Lawler and counselors. My name is Glenn Wellings. I am

4381
05:38:44,154 --> 05:38:52,589
planning consultant for the owner. Charleston developments. And I've been

4382
05:38:52,589 --> 05:38:56,764
involved in this project many, many years. Our consulting team

4383
05:38:56,764 --> 05:39:01,128
is available this evening to answer any questions. I should

4384
05:39:01,128 --> 05:39:04,168
note that we're all in person, with one exception. Our

4385
05:39:04,168 --> 05:39:10,685
ecologist. Sarah Mingi is available virtually, and she's happy to

4386
05:39:10,685 --> 05:39:15,698
answer any questions of counsel and the public. First of

4387
05:39:15,698 --> 05:39:18,018
all, I'd like to thank Mr. Chairman and committee members.

4388
05:39:19,791 --> 05:39:24,282
Town staff and in particular, Ruth Connor. For her effort

4389
05:39:24,282 --> 05:39:28,553
in preparing tonight's staff report. It's comprehensive and there's a

4390
05:39:28,553 --> 05:39:34,825
lot of history, folks. In that report. And this. Spans

4391
05:39:34,825 --> 05:39:39,095
over a 40 year period. This file. We are in

4392
05:39:39,095 --> 05:39:44,007
support of the staff recommendations that are before you. It

4393
05:39:44,007 --> 05:39:48,257
has been a very lengthy planning process. And the subject

4394
05:39:48,257 --> 05:39:51,817
lands were first included within the hamlet boundary of Glenn

4395
05:39:51,817 --> 05:39:57,637
Williams. Back about 20 years ago. With the Glenn Williams

4396
05:39:57,637 --> 05:40:02,157
secondary plan, the 2005 version, and that's been reaffirmed in

4397
05:40:02,157 --> 05:40:06,476
the latest version of the secondary plan. The extension of

4398
05:40:06,476 --> 05:40:12,236
Bishop's court for residential development will complete the rehabilitation of

4399
05:40:12,236 --> 05:40:15,636
the former sand and gravel pit that was formerly on

4400
05:40:15,636 --> 05:40:17,596
the property. I think we lose sight of this, that

4401
05:40:17,596 --> 05:40:22,556
these lands were used industrially for sand and gravel pit

4402
05:40:22,556 --> 05:40:26,131
for many, many years. So this is a rehabilitation of

4403
05:40:26,131 --> 05:40:30,129
that former use. So the process to get to this

4404
05:40:30,129 --> 05:40:35,928
point this evening has been. Extensive. Exhaustive. Tonight's been exhaustive?

4405
05:40:37,841 --> 05:40:41,003
And very challenging to get to this point. So I

4406
05:40:41,003 --> 05:40:44,363
do thank staff for their persistence and efforts. Again, I'm

4407
05:40:44,363 --> 05:40:47,203
bringing this report forward. It was a lot of work.

4408
05:40:48,742 --> 05:40:52,822
But happily, this rezoning and subdivision application is before you.

4409
05:40:52,822 --> 05:40:57,719
It does fully conform to the new secondary plan. And

4410
05:40:57,719 --> 05:41:03,260
I emphasize new secondary plan. The process. To lead to

4411
05:41:03,260 --> 05:41:08,740
tonight's staff report has been instrumental in resolving the outstanding

4412
05:41:08,740 --> 05:41:12,845
appeal of the secondary plan by my client. In the

4413
05:41:12,845 --> 05:41:18,271
recommended zoning bylaw and conditions of draft approval. Implement the

4414
05:41:18,271 --> 05:41:22,471
latest policies of the secondary plan approved by this Councillor

4415
05:41:22,471 --> 05:41:27,127
and supported by the community and that support. Includes Zcland

4416
05:41:27,127 --> 05:41:32,573
Williams Community Association. Although the applications predate the new secondary

4417
05:41:32,573 --> 05:41:37,693
plan, the development satisfies these latest policies and that would

4418
05:41:37,693 --> 05:41:42,573
include the public dedication of a ten meter hamlet buffer

4419
05:41:42,573 --> 05:41:48,445
into public ownership. To facilitate both trails and enhance planting.

4420
05:41:50,409 --> 05:41:53,729
In addition to the public dedication of open space blocks.

4421
05:41:53,729 --> 05:41:57,009
And that would be blogs 29 to 31 of these

4422
05:41:57,009 --> 05:42:01,727
subdivision plan. As I have five minutes. I will not

4423
05:42:01,727 --> 05:42:04,727
get into the technical details this evening. The staff reports.

4424
05:42:04,727 --> 05:42:11,083
Comprehensive the conditions. Are extensive. And I won't get into

4425
05:42:11,083 --> 05:42:14,633
the technical side of things. But I do want to

4426
05:42:14,633 --> 05:42:20,478
point out. One important aspect. That this is the only

4427
05:42:20,478 --> 05:42:25,174
recent subdivision. Within the Glenn Williams hamlet that has not

4428
05:42:25,174 --> 05:42:29,254
gone to the Ontario land trip noono so we are

4429
05:42:29,254 --> 05:42:34,169
actually here without going to the land tribulo, which. Is

4430
05:42:34,169 --> 05:42:38,489
significant, in my opinion, because they last four subdivisions approved.

4431
05:42:39,757 --> 05:42:43,277
Were before the Ontario Land Tribunal and not as Councillor,

4432
05:42:43,277 --> 05:42:47,025
so I see that as good news. In addition, just

4433
05:42:47,025 --> 05:42:49,705
to clarify, I'll be very quick, Mr. Chairman. I just

4434
05:42:49,705 --> 05:42:53,354
got a couple more points. In addition, just to clarify

4435
05:42:53,354 --> 05:42:56,794
some misinformation that is out there, there's been site work

4436
05:42:56,794 --> 05:42:59,874
that has occurred in this property, and I can advise.

4437
05:43:01,510 --> 05:43:04,670
This Councillor at all. Site work that has been undertaken

4438
05:43:04,670 --> 05:43:07,790
has been in accordance with permits issued by both the

4439
05:43:07,790 --> 05:43:10,910
town as well as Credit valley Conservation. There has been

4440
05:43:10,910 --> 05:43:15,820
no legal work on this property. There was that comment

4441
05:43:15,820 --> 05:43:19,780
that did come out through the circulation process just to

4442
05:43:19,780 --> 05:43:24,460
clarify that comment. So I would ask, respectfully that, Councillor,

4443
05:43:24,460 --> 05:43:29,493
adopt the staff recommendations this evening as presented. In just

4444
05:43:29,493 --> 05:43:33,127
one additional comment, Mr. Chairman. Before I wrap things up,

4445
05:43:33,127 --> 05:43:38,134
the lines of communication. Do not end here this evening.

4446
05:43:39,378 --> 05:43:44,292
I noticed there's two other delegations after me. Mr. Stalkford

4447
05:43:44,292 --> 05:43:49,073
and Mr. Brown from the Community association. We're happy to.

4448
05:43:49,073 --> 05:43:53,209
I'm happy to meet with them to discuss. The staff

4449
05:43:53,209 --> 05:43:57,689
report, discuss our consultants reports, and make her consulting team

4450
05:43:57,689 --> 05:44:01,766
fully available to them to answer. Any questions? I've not

4451
05:44:01,766 --> 05:44:06,661
met these gentlemen, but. I'm opening that out for further

4452
05:44:06,661 --> 05:44:09,181
dialogue and discussion. So thank you for your time and

4453
05:44:09,181 --> 05:44:14,425
happy to answer any questions. Thank you, Mr. Williams. Any

4454
05:44:14,425 --> 05:44:20,069
questions from Councillor to the delegation? Seeing none. Thank you.

4455
05:44:20,069 --> 05:44:22,949
I'm happy to come back if necessary. Thank you. I

4456
05:44:22,949 --> 05:44:28,107
appreciate that. Our next delegation is Roger Stoffford, who I

4457
05:44:28,107 --> 05:44:29,227
believe is on Zoom.

4458
05:44:41,348 --> 05:44:43,788
Hi. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Roger. Go

4459
05:44:43,788 --> 05:44:47,608
ahead. You have five minutes. Thank you very. Much. So

4460
05:44:47,608 --> 05:44:50,648
I have some prepared notes, and I'm sure I'll get

4461
05:44:50,648 --> 05:44:54,777
through it in. Less than five minutes. I'm speaking, of

4462
05:44:54,777 --> 05:44:59,506
course, in consideration of the report. I've lived in Holton

4463
05:44:59,506 --> 05:45:02,746
Hills for over 40 years, and I've been in Glenn

4464
05:45:02,746 --> 05:45:07,002
Williams for over ten years, so I'm familiar with. The

4465
05:45:07,002 --> 05:45:09,962
nature of the town and the requirements for growth, and

4466
05:45:09,962 --> 05:45:13,002
I have no objection to growth and developments. What triggers

4467
05:45:13,002 --> 05:45:19,506
me to come forward is that. I object to. Development,

4468
05:45:19,506 --> 05:45:24,228
degrading the quality of Glenn Williams. And in particular the

4469
05:45:24,228 --> 05:45:27,668
unique quality of the Glenn Williams historic core. And I'm

4470
05:45:27,668 --> 05:45:31,098
going to talk about that a little bit. Our official

4471
05:45:31,098 --> 05:45:34,138
plan. And I'll paraphrase a little bit, but I think

4472
05:45:34,138 --> 05:45:37,578
I stay. True to the meaning in the official plan

4473
05:45:37,578 --> 05:45:42,058
regarding Glenn Williams. The goal is to guide change so

4474
05:45:42,058 --> 05:45:45,098
that it contributes and does not detract from the character

4475
05:45:45,098 --> 05:45:48,397
of the glen. And the Glen Williams secondary plan is

4476
05:45:48,397 --> 05:45:51,997
clear. The goal is protect and preserve and maintain and

4477
05:45:51,997 --> 05:45:55,877
enhance I think those sentiments that are reflected in the

4478
05:45:55,877 --> 05:45:59,237
documents are a very good reflection of what the residents

4479
05:45:59,237 --> 05:46:03,144
of the Glen feel. We're all familiar with Glenn Williams,

4480
05:46:03,144 --> 05:46:06,224
and I'm not going to try and describe the unique

4481
05:46:06,224 --> 05:46:10,104
qualities of Glenn, but certainly Glenn Williams is worth the

4482
05:46:10,104 --> 05:46:16,163
effort to try and preserve and protect. The report evaluates

4483
05:46:16,163 --> 05:46:20,243
the draft plan of subdivision against the official plan on

4484
05:46:20,243 --> 05:46:25,447
the glamorium. Secondary plan. But I don't feel the report

4485
05:46:25,447 --> 05:46:29,327
addresses these requirements, which are the goals for the Glenn

4486
05:46:29,327 --> 05:46:34,605
as laid out in those two documents. The report. Talks

4487
05:46:34,605 --> 05:46:39,642
about. The technical build design guidelines. But I feel these

4488
05:46:39,642 --> 05:46:44,830
overarching goals. Are not really addressed in the report. New

4489
05:46:44,830 --> 05:46:47,910
homes in the Glen are good because they add residents

4490
05:46:47,910 --> 05:46:54,090
and create the opportunity for healthy economic vitality. Reasonably, you

4491
05:46:54,090 --> 05:46:58,740
could. Say, bishop? Court two is just a subdivision. Yes,

4492
05:46:58,740 --> 05:47:01,700
it's within Glenn Williams, but it's. One or 2 km

4493
05:47:01,700 --> 05:47:06,223
away from the historic core of Glenn Williams. Apart from

4494
05:47:06,223 --> 05:47:11,223
therefore addressing the architectural design buildings, how can it contribute?

4495
05:47:12,979 --> 05:47:17,339
To protecting, preserving, maintaining and enhancing Blair Williams. I think

4496
05:47:17,339 --> 05:47:19,979
that's a question, really, that we should have our professionals.

4497
05:47:21,430 --> 05:47:23,954
Evaluate. As part of the process of producing the report.

4498
05:47:25,875 --> 05:47:33,092
New residents benefit the economic vitality of the glen. Extra

4499
05:47:33,092 --> 05:47:38,430
cars. Potentially are a problem for the glen. The historic

4500
05:47:38,430 --> 05:47:43,441
core of the gland is tiny. Sometimes it is exactly

4501
05:47:43,441 --> 05:47:45,361
the nature of Glenn Williams that we are supposed to

4502
05:47:45,361 --> 05:47:49,041
be protecting. Other times, it's a log jam of vehicles.

4503
05:47:50,696 --> 05:47:54,198
I've read the traffic impact study. Of course, the traffic

4504
05:47:54,198 --> 05:47:59,199
impact of Bishop court two is tiny. But the, and

4505
05:47:59,199 --> 05:48:03,439
the subject report assesses the traffic impact as acceptable. But

4506
05:48:03,439 --> 05:48:06,612
for Glenn Williams. It's going to be death by 1000

4507
05:48:06,612 --> 05:48:12,387
cuts. Each increment is going to be tiny. But. They

4508
05:48:12,387 --> 05:48:17,424
all accumulate, and eventually it kills. I think there are

4509
05:48:17,424 --> 05:48:20,024
two things that are needed in Glenn Williams. One is

4510
05:48:20,024 --> 05:48:24,544
a solution for the growing visitor parking, and the other

4511
05:48:24,544 --> 05:48:28,172
is. Something we're all familiar with, which is the through

4512
05:48:28,172 --> 05:48:33,693
traffic. And clearly, as these developments go into place, We've

4513
05:48:33,693 --> 05:48:37,453
got the growth in traffic from the residential growth on

4514
05:48:37,453 --> 05:48:41,320
the east side. And then, of course, the coming of

4515
05:48:41,320 --> 05:48:44,760
413 and the two interchanges that are going to drop

4516
05:48:44,760 --> 05:48:48,680
traffic on Mayfield and old school. And Mayfield, an old

4517
05:48:48,680 --> 05:48:52,840
school, directly lead to the historic core. Of glomal loops.

4518
05:48:54,828 --> 05:48:56,668
So I feel Glenn Williams is going to have developments

4519
05:48:56,668 --> 05:49:01,028
and growth. Georgetown has grown and changed what's different with

4520
05:49:01,028 --> 05:49:04,148
Glen Williams is that there is already a consensus in

4521
05:49:04,148 --> 05:49:07,668
our official plan and the secondary plan that the glen

4522
05:49:07,668 --> 05:49:11,788
has unique qualities that should be protected, preserved, maintained and

4523
05:49:11,788 --> 05:49:16,886
enhanced. And what I would like to see. Is the

4524
05:49:16,886 --> 05:49:21,634
report start to address? Those requirements that we've already laid

4525
05:49:21,634 --> 05:49:26,019
out. And that completes my presentation. Thank you very much.

4526
05:49:28,051 --> 05:49:31,771
Thank you very much, Roger. And are there any questions

4527
05:49:31,771 --> 05:49:35,415
of the delegation? From, Councillor. This is just questions again,

4528
05:49:35,415 --> 05:49:39,275
to the delegation, not to staff at this point. Seeing

4529
05:49:39,275 --> 05:49:44,169
none. Thank you, Roger. Again, thank you. Mike brown from

4530
05:49:44,169 --> 05:49:53,736
the glenn williams community association. Madam mayor. Esteemed

4531
05:49:53,736 --> 05:49:58,363
counselors. Thanks for allowing me some time tonight. I'm Mike

4532
05:49:58,363 --> 05:50:02,163
Brown, and I'm here representing Glenn Williams Community association regarding

4533
05:50:02,163 --> 05:50:06,483
the recommendation. Report for proposed zoning bylaw amendment and draft

4534
05:50:06,483 --> 05:50:10,483
plan of subdivision to permit an extension of Bishop Court

4535
05:50:10,483 --> 05:50:14,323
in Glenn Williams. First, I'd like to thank town staff

4536
05:50:14,323 --> 05:50:16,883
for their time and focus. On our questions and concerns.

4537
05:50:18,382 --> 05:50:22,262
Following reviews of all the filed key documents. We appreciate

4538
05:50:22,262 --> 05:50:25,582
they followed up with us on all outstanding issues discussed.

4539
05:50:26,664 --> 05:50:30,264
We are generally supportive of the conditions of draft plan

4540
05:50:30,264 --> 05:50:34,664
approval for this subdivision as tabled by the planning department.

4541
05:50:34,664 --> 05:50:37,744
There are several issues, however, we strongly feel need to

4542
05:50:37,744 --> 05:50:40,944
be highlighted. While we also reserve the right to continue

4543
05:50:40,944 --> 05:50:46,849
to monitor. Previously noted outstanding issues and questions. Subsequent reviews

4544
05:50:46,849 --> 05:50:51,941
of the plan moving forward. The issues we feel strongly

4545
05:50:51,941 --> 05:50:55,621
that should be highlighted include the removal of 35% of

4546
05:50:55,621 --> 05:51:00,672
the conifer plantation. Granted, it is acknowledged that this plantation

4547
05:51:00,672 --> 05:51:03,712
is in its latter stage of life. While we appreciate

4548
05:51:03,712 --> 05:51:06,712
the efforts to date to reduce the amount of canopy

4549
05:51:06,712 --> 05:51:11,907
removal. The proposed replacement plannings will take many years to

4550
05:51:11,907 --> 05:51:16,547
replace the lost carbon footprint. We acknowledge the intent to

4551
05:51:16,547 --> 05:51:20,107
create more diversity with the replanting plan. However, the language

4552
05:51:20,107 --> 05:51:24,907
used in current documentation when referencing reinforcement plantings, for example,

4553
05:51:24,907 --> 05:51:29,936
best efforts or as opportunities are available. Does not reflect

4554
05:51:29,936 --> 05:51:34,296
an absolute commitment for equivalency. We will continue to monitor

4555
05:51:34,296 --> 05:51:36,776
this as the loss of canopy in the Glen is

4556
05:51:36,776 --> 05:51:40,096
a priority concern for residents as the hamlet continues to

4557
05:51:40,096 --> 05:51:44,699
experience negative impacts of climate change. It was most disheartening

4558
05:51:44,699 --> 05:51:48,099
to see what we feel was a superficial assessment of

4559
05:51:48,099 --> 05:51:52,179
wildlife. Activity throughout phase two property and phase one pond

4560
05:51:52,179 --> 05:51:56,219
area, and to see that this data supported canopy removal

4561
05:51:56,219 --> 05:52:01,019
decisions. It should be noted that is not only cottontail

4562
05:52:01,019 --> 05:52:06,127
rabbits, squirrels blue. Jays and American crow red breasted nut

4563
05:52:06,127 --> 05:52:09,727
hatch a few frogs and a few turtles that inhabit

4564
05:52:09,727 --> 05:52:13,680
these lands rather. What will more accurately be impacted are

4565
05:52:13,680 --> 05:52:19,480
additional wildlife, such as pilliated and Downey woodpeckers. Deer, foxes,

4566
05:52:19,480 --> 05:52:24,417
coyotes that actively inhabit and track these lands today. Beavers,

4567
05:52:24,417 --> 05:52:27,257
muskrats, and snapping turtles have also been cited in the

4568
05:52:27,257 --> 05:52:31,665
phase one pond area. There are currently many bird nesting

4569
05:52:31,665 --> 05:52:35,545
boxes actively in use and maintained by a local resident

4570
05:52:35,545 --> 05:52:38,425
throughout the phase two property and the phase one pond

4571
05:52:38,425 --> 05:52:42,431
area. We expect that the replacement planting density and caliper

4572
05:52:42,431 --> 05:52:46,551
sizes will provide the continued habitat required for this diversity

4573
05:52:46,551 --> 05:52:50,151
of wildlife to continue to thrive. There's a reference that

4574
05:52:50,151 --> 05:52:53,551
numbers of calling amphibians were generally low, with no full

4575
05:52:53,551 --> 05:52:57,431
choruses heard on the ponds or adjacent to the site

4576
05:52:57,431 --> 05:53:01,665
as a resident of Bishop Court. And adjacent to pond.

4577
05:53:01,665 --> 05:53:05,705
Phase one, pond area. This is not an accurate observation

4578
05:53:05,705 --> 05:53:08,545
as full courses are. Evident throughout the spring and summer.

4579
05:53:09,910 --> 05:53:13,990
Protecting wildlife. Access to the wilderness areas and tributaries is

4580
05:53:13,990 --> 05:53:18,590
critical, along with the sensitivity to birds. Amphibians and mammals.

4581
05:53:18,590 --> 05:53:21,830
As an example, the fencing proposal along the hamlet buffer

4582
05:53:21,830 --> 05:53:25,350
will unduly restrict access to these areas for such mammals

4583
05:53:25,350 --> 05:53:28,870
as deer who are currently active in the area. We

4584
05:53:28,870 --> 05:53:31,538
appreciate that this will. Be assessed and hope plans can

4585
05:53:31,538 --> 05:53:36,189
be modified to maintain this access. The proposed slope for

4586
05:53:36,189 --> 05:53:39,509
the rights are fitted in expanded fees. One stormwater management

4587
05:53:39,509 --> 05:53:43,109
pond suggests a fence will be required around the pond.

4588
05:53:43,109 --> 05:53:46,109
This is a great concern, as an enclosed fence would

4589
05:53:46,109 --> 05:53:50,149
not allow access for wildlife, for water foraging and habitat.

4590
05:53:50,149 --> 05:53:52,669
We ask that the grading be reconsidered. To design the

4591
05:53:52,669 --> 05:53:56,479
slopes around the pond such that no. Offense is required.

4592
05:53:56,479 --> 05:53:59,279
The existing trail around this pond is a favorite height

4593
05:53:59,279 --> 05:54:03,472
and viewing spot. I'll hurry for residents to observe wildlife

4594
05:54:03,472 --> 05:54:06,752
in this area, which residents do not want to. Lose.

4595
05:54:06,752 --> 05:54:09,072
It's great to hear this pond will remain a wet

4596
05:54:09,072 --> 05:54:14,352
pond. Today's snapping. Turtles and occasional beaver. Muskrats, frogs, herons,

4597
05:54:14,352 --> 05:54:17,992
ducks form part of the wildlife that inhabits this pond

4598
05:54:17,992 --> 05:54:20,632
is our expectation that the retrofit will be done in

4599
05:54:20,632 --> 05:54:24,512
such a manner. To protect the existing wildlife and allow

4600
05:54:24,512 --> 05:54:28,472
for the diversity of wildlife to flourish here. We recognize

4601
05:54:28,472 --> 05:54:31,672
and appreciate an adjacent wetland is proposed to provide a

4602
05:54:31,672 --> 05:54:36,272
breeding habitat for amphibian species. However, this should not be

4603
05:54:36,272 --> 05:54:41,072
considered as compensation for losses from bond one. Finally, regarding.

4604
05:54:41,947 --> 05:54:44,187
Trails in all. Hurry. We are pleased to see a

4605
05:54:44,187 --> 05:54:47,467
proposal for a trail system, but have specific concerns and

4606
05:54:47,467 --> 05:54:51,307
requests here. First, in phase one, a trail system was

4607
05:54:51,307 --> 05:54:55,617
proposed. It was never implemented by the developer. There is

4608
05:54:55,617 --> 05:54:59,217
access off Bishop court between number 28 and 30. But

4609
05:54:59,217 --> 05:55:02,856
it goes nowhere. There is town land behind the properties

4610
05:55:02,856 --> 05:55:05,576
along the right side of Bishop Court for the trail

4611
05:55:05,576 --> 05:55:09,398
system. However, it was never implemented. It is our request

4612
05:55:09,398 --> 05:55:12,518
that this be included in this draft plan of subdivision

4613
05:55:12,518 --> 05:55:16,078
as part of the overall trail system failing. This being

4614
05:55:16,078 --> 05:55:18,970
added to the draft plan. Would be expect the town

4615
05:55:18,970 --> 05:55:22,810
to include this project in the appropriate corresponding budget year.

4616
05:55:22,810 --> 05:55:26,881
Two more points please, if I could. Be quick, please.

4617
05:55:26,881 --> 05:55:29,481
Second, it's great to see the trail system be incorporated

4618
05:55:29,481 --> 05:55:31,801
into the hamlet. To buffer. However, there should be a

4619
05:55:31,801 --> 05:55:36,170
connecting trail from behind lot 16 on the. Hamlet buffer

4620
05:55:36,170 --> 05:55:40,700
to connect to this proposed phase one trail completion. Create

4621
05:55:40,700 --> 05:55:45,483
trail contiguity. Third. Pleased to see the trail access through

4622
05:55:45,483 --> 05:55:48,763
this area for passive recreational use. However, we are requesting

4623
05:55:48,763 --> 05:55:52,603
that extend it through and include the existing stormwater management

4624
05:55:52,603 --> 05:55:56,403
pond beside bishop court. The existing trail locally developed and

4625
05:55:56,403 --> 05:56:00,443
managed requires improvements, including old tree, old tire removal and

4626
05:56:00,443 --> 05:56:04,264
old tree stakes. Fine and closing there. 's a long

4627
05:56:04,264 --> 05:56:07,224
standing issue on Bishop Court, with property flooding along the

4628
05:56:07,224 --> 05:56:10,304
lower west side of Bishop court phase one. This problem

4629
05:56:10,304 --> 05:56:12,784
has not gone away. In fact, it is worsened in

4630
05:56:12,784 --> 05:56:15,304
frequency and flow with the recent work in phase two

4631
05:56:15,304 --> 05:56:19,224
land. We would like assurance that this issue will be

4632
05:56:19,224 --> 05:56:22,144
addressed, if not at least not further compromise by this

4633
05:56:22,144 --> 05:56:25,216
new development. Apologize for the. Lengthiness of that. Thank you

4634
05:56:25,216 --> 05:56:28,816
very much for your time and consideration. Thank you, Mr.

4635
05:56:28,816 --> 05:56:33,096
Brown. I appreciate that and also appreciate the GDWCa having

4636
05:56:33,096 --> 05:56:35,856
those conversations with staff ahead of this as well as

4637
05:56:35,856 --> 05:56:38,776
providing those comments to us ahead of this meeting, very

4638
05:56:38,776 --> 05:56:43,538
much appreciate it. Any questions from councillor to delegation. Councillor

4639
05:56:43,538 --> 05:56:47,178
Summerville. Thank you. Thank you for delegating tonight. I hope

4640
05:56:47,178 --> 05:56:51,133
you'll take up Mr. Wellings on his offer. Work with

4641
05:56:51,133 --> 05:56:58,275
him. With GWCN? Yes. Thank you. Any other questions? Seeing

4642
05:56:58,275 --> 05:57:03,143
none. Thank you, Mr. Brown. Would someone. Like to bring

4643
05:57:03,143 --> 05:57:06,200
this report forward. Councilor brass. Thank you. All those in

4644
05:57:06,200 --> 05:57:10,598
favor? All right. It is now on the floor. Any

4645
05:57:10,598 --> 05:57:16,732
questions to staff Councillor Brass? Thank you, Mr. Chair. I

4646
05:57:16,732 --> 05:57:21,252
would just start with Rogers comments, Mr. Staufford and in

4647
05:57:21,252 --> 05:57:25,341
particular. If the 413 does go through and those two

4648
05:57:25,341 --> 05:57:30,491
exits on Mayfield and Old school. And maybe we can

4649
05:57:30,491 --> 05:57:35,023
hear from traffic. If there's our transportation. Sorry. If there's

4650
05:57:35,023 --> 05:57:39,505
been any discussion on how to mitigate traffic. From those

4651
05:57:39,505 --> 05:57:42,698
two roads going into Glenn Williams. Has that been discussed?

4652
05:57:44,225 --> 05:57:48,619
What are the possible solutions? Marine Ben Ravens to come

4653
05:57:48,619 --> 05:57:49,619
up and provide some comments.

4654
05:58:00,589 --> 05:58:02,629
Three, Mr. Chair. To Councillor Brass. As part of the

4655
05:58:02,629 --> 05:58:05,589
413 we're still waiting for. The MTO to do their

4656
05:58:05,589 --> 05:58:08,749
assessment. We have asked as part of their analysis that

4657
05:58:08,749 --> 05:58:12,269
they look at the interchanges, one interchange being Mayfield Road,

4658
05:58:12,269 --> 05:58:14,309
and the impact from that. But we have not received

4659
05:58:14,309 --> 05:58:18,542
any information. To date. So this would be on our

4660
05:58:18,542 --> 05:58:22,329
radar, obviously. That. We sort of get good answers on

4661
05:58:22,329 --> 05:58:26,213
these questions for both those exits. Through the chair to

4662
05:58:26,213 --> 05:58:29,293
you. Councillor Brass? Yes, that's correct. Great. Thank you. And

4663
05:58:29,293 --> 05:58:31,653
maybe at that point, we can circle back to Mr.

4664
05:58:31,653 --> 05:58:36,919
Staufford. Mr. Brown's comments, and there are plentiful lots of

4665
05:58:36,919 --> 05:58:41,278
good questions there. Mike. And so I'm wondering, from staff,

4666
05:58:41,278 --> 05:58:45,804
there's different areas of staff that would needed. To be

4667
05:58:45,804 --> 05:58:48,804
consulted on this, but the fencing around the buffer, the

4668
05:58:48,804 --> 05:58:53,021
fencing around the stormwater pond. Et cetera. Are two things

4669
05:58:53,021 --> 05:58:57,484
I highlighted for sure. The trail system, whether that can

4670
05:58:57,484 --> 05:59:00,564
be part of the draft plan and actually get the

4671
05:59:00,564 --> 05:59:03,604
trail system. Done is another one that I highlighted, which

4672
05:59:03,604 --> 05:59:07,284
would be, I think, of keen interest to the community.

4673
05:59:07,284 --> 05:59:10,303
In Glenn Williams. And so just wondering if anyone can

4674
05:59:10,303 --> 05:59:13,703
talk to those. And who will we be getting back

4675
05:59:13,703 --> 05:59:17,303
to? Mr. Brown and gwc. On these new questions.

4676
05:59:24,472 --> 05:59:30,787
Sure. Thank you for the chair to Councillor Brass. So,

4677
05:59:30,787 --> 05:59:33,947
yes, Mr. Brown had a number of great questions. And

4678
05:59:33,947 --> 05:59:40,015
we have worked extensively with the GWCA to date. In

4679
05:59:40,015 --> 05:59:43,975
terms of fencing at the hamlet, buffer staff understands and

4680
05:59:43,975 --> 05:59:46,575
appreciates the concerns that have been raised by the GWCA.

4681
05:59:48,899 --> 05:59:52,619
The draft conditions are flexible enough that staff can work

4682
05:59:52,619 --> 05:59:55,459
with the applicant to explore how fencing can occur along

4683
05:59:55,459 --> 05:59:59,859
the hamlet buffer and around the stormwater management pond. Although

4684
05:59:59,859 --> 06:00:02,019
development engineering staff is here and can speak to that

4685
06:00:02,019 --> 06:00:06,672
if they have any further information. In terms of trails.

4686
06:00:06,672 --> 06:00:09,472
So while the town owns lands behind the phase one

4687
06:00:09,472 --> 06:00:13,517
lots that can accommodate the trail. The construction of the

4688
06:00:13,517 --> 06:00:16,997
trail was not secured at the time of approval of

4689
06:00:16,997 --> 06:00:21,129
phase one, which we understand. Staff cannot require the applicant

4690
06:00:21,129 --> 06:00:23,569
to construct the trails in phase one through the approval

4691
06:00:23,569 --> 06:00:27,049
of phase two. However, it appears that construction in this

4692
06:00:27,049 --> 06:00:30,769
area has been budgeted to 2027. 2028. So. That is

4693
06:00:30,769 --> 06:00:35,643
something that can be considered as. Part of next steps.

4694
06:00:35,643 --> 06:00:38,803
The active transportation master plan has identified the desire for

4695
06:00:38,803 --> 06:00:41,523
trails throughout the subdivision. Including to the east side of

4696
06:00:41,523 --> 06:00:46,203
the subdivision behind lot 16. So that has been considered.

4697
06:00:46,203 --> 06:00:49,969
And the trail system. Does extend, actually, through the swim

4698
06:00:49,969 --> 06:00:55,170
pond. To bishop court, and that's in condition number 67.

4699
06:00:55,170 --> 06:00:58,330
So I'm not sure if that was reviewed, but I'm

4700
06:00:58,330 --> 06:01:02,798
not sure. Community services is online and has. Any other

4701
06:01:02,798 --> 06:01:04,918
responses or if Jeff wanted to come up to talk

4702
06:01:04,918 --> 06:01:13,502
about the swim pond fencing? Through the chair to Councillor

4703
06:01:13,502 --> 06:01:15,742
Brass. I don't have much else to add, but typically.

4704
06:01:17,542 --> 06:01:19,302
Our ponds. You only add fencing around there when they

4705
06:01:19,302 --> 06:01:21,342
sort of safety the slopes is not sort. Of conducive

4706
06:01:21,342 --> 06:01:23,662
for allowing public in those areas there, based on the

4707
06:01:23,662 --> 06:01:25,622
input we were hitting. We're going to try to accommodate

4708
06:01:25,622 --> 06:01:27,742
the trail system and make sure it's accessible where we

4709
06:01:27,742 --> 06:01:30,902
can. If an extreme situation we can't, then we might

4710
06:01:30,902 --> 06:01:32,302
be forced to. Put the fence in, but it won't

4711
06:01:32,302 --> 06:01:35,142
be our first go to. Okay, so you'll. Try to

4712
06:01:35,142 --> 06:01:37,102
work around for that. We're going to try to. Yes.

4713
06:01:37,102 --> 06:01:39,166
Sure. And Mr. Chair, if I can have one more,

4714
06:01:39,166 --> 06:01:42,657
please. It wasn't addressing Mr. Brown's comments just now, but

4715
06:01:42,657 --> 06:01:47,543
I did read in one of the concerns that. The

4716
06:01:47,543 --> 06:01:50,603
water pressure for phase two, whether. That would be adequate

4717
06:01:50,603 --> 06:01:54,163
or not, given that bishop's court phase one, and I

4718
06:01:54,163 --> 06:01:57,163
actually remember. This. When I was campaigning, I had several

4719
06:01:57,163 --> 06:02:00,003
people on district court complaining to me about lack of

4720
06:02:00,003 --> 06:02:02,323
water pressure. So just maybe if there's someone here that

4721
06:02:02,323 --> 06:02:10,931
can comment on that as well. Please. Yeah, sorry. This

4722
06:02:10,931 --> 06:02:15,158
is from region. No, go ahead. Through the chair to

4723
06:02:15,158 --> 06:02:18,998
Councillor Brass. Yes. We consulted with the region after discussions.

4724
06:02:22,987 --> 06:02:26,867
With residents and the region's responses that their interest is

4725
06:02:26,867 --> 06:02:31,746
ensuring that. The pressure is within acceptable range, there could

4726
06:02:31,746 --> 06:02:35,506
be other engineering solutions that meet that pressure threshold. Other

4727
06:02:35,506 --> 06:02:37,666
than onsite pressure tanks, but this is up to the

4728
06:02:37,666 --> 06:02:42,716
consulting engineer to provide those solutions. Regional staff are not

4729
06:02:42,716 --> 06:02:45,276
expecting that there will be any water pressure concerns for

4730
06:02:45,276 --> 06:02:49,036
the phase one residents. The new water infrastructure will create

4731
06:02:49,036 --> 06:02:51,556
a looped water main which will eliminate the dead end

4732
06:02:51,556 --> 06:02:53,756
within. Phase one and approve the pressure of the system.

4733
06:02:55,160 --> 06:02:56,920
While a booster pump could be an option, so the

4734
06:02:56,920 --> 06:03:00,600
GWCA had brought up the possibility of a booster pump.

4735
06:03:00,600 --> 06:03:03,040
So we consulted with the region, and they did indicate

4736
06:03:03,040 --> 06:03:05,400
that while a booster pump could be an option. Regional

4737
06:03:05,400 --> 06:03:07,560
staff again have to leave it up to the consulting

4738
06:03:07,560 --> 06:03:10,960
engineer to demonstrate that the region of Halton requirements can

4739
06:03:10,960 --> 06:03:18,983
be met. Wonderful. Thank you. Chair. Councilor Somerville. My questions

4740
06:03:18,983 --> 06:03:22,463
are asked, were answered. Anyone further questions on their report?

4741
06:03:23,780 --> 06:03:27,740
Seeing? None. Someone like to move this report. Councillor Brass,

4742
06:03:27,740 --> 06:03:32,366
all those in favor? That carries Q and that brings

4743
06:03:32,366 --> 06:03:35,126
our general committee to a close for the evening. Can

4744
06:03:35,126 --> 06:03:38,166
I get a motion to adjourn back into. Councillor. Councillor

4745
06:03:38,166 --> 06:03:43,689
Norris. Thank you. All in favor? Gary.

4746
06:04:43,401 --> 06:04:46,365
Well, thank you very much. Thank you very much, Councillor

4747
06:04:46,365 --> 06:04:53,897
Rosinski. This is heading on to be a Councillor meeting

4748
06:04:53,897 --> 06:04:58,085
for the book, that's for sure. You and I have

4749
06:04:58,085 --> 06:05:03,535
earned our money tonight. Okay, well, some of the items

4750
06:05:03,535 --> 06:05:10,664
from general committee. Were identified as being time sensitive, needing

4751
06:05:10,664 --> 06:05:14,955
immediate action by Councillor tonight. And the details of these

4752
06:05:14,955 --> 06:05:18,435
items can be found in section nine of today's agenda.

4753
06:05:18,435 --> 06:05:21,995
It is moved by Councillor Somerville, seconded by Councillor Engels.

4754
06:05:21,995 --> 06:05:26,755
The recommendation contained in the following immediate action item reports

4755
06:05:26,755 --> 06:05:33,315
from Monday, November 18, 2024 general committee are hereby adopted

4756
06:05:33,315 --> 06:05:41,033
report pd. 20240 70 as presented. Report PD 20240 92

4757
06:05:41,033 --> 06:05:47,473
is presented. Report PD 20240 94 as presented. All in

4758
06:05:47,473 --> 06:05:52,498
favor? That's carried. Thank you. And it's been moved by

4759
06:05:52,498 --> 06:05:57,258
Councillor Somerville, I think, and seconded by Councillor Brass, that.

4760
06:05:57,258 --> 06:06:01,258
The recommendations contained in the following confidential reports from the

4761
06:06:01,258 --> 06:06:05,938
Monday, November 18, 2024 closed session of Councillor are hereby

4762
06:06:05,938 --> 06:06:13,810
adopted as presented. And further that staff carry out any

4763
06:06:13,810 --> 06:06:17,090
of council's direction on these matters as set out. In

4764
06:06:17,090 --> 06:06:24,389
the confidential minutes dated November 18, 2024. Report CS 20240

4765
06:06:24,389 --> 06:06:31,428
to nine report. Fire 20240. Zero five, report TPW 20240.

4766
06:06:31,428 --> 06:06:35,914
Two three. All in favor? That's carriage.

4767
06:06:48,028 --> 06:06:50,708
We have it moved by Councillor Vzinski, seconded by Councillor

4768
06:06:50,708 --> 06:06:55,828
Ingles, that the general. Information package dated November 18, 2024,

4769
06:06:55,828 --> 06:07:01,299
be received. Are there any items that people want. To

4770
06:07:01,299 --> 06:07:05,752
address. See none. All in favor? That's carried.

4771
06:07:13,653 --> 06:07:17,253
The details of tonight's bylaws can be found in section

4772
06:07:17,253 --> 06:07:21,173
17 of the agenda. Is boomed by Councillor Rozinski, seconded

4773
06:07:21,173 --> 06:07:25,413
by Councillor Fogel, that the following bills are. Hereby passed

4774
06:07:25,413 --> 06:07:32,465
by council. And further, the mayor and clerk are hereby

4775
06:07:32,465 --> 06:07:36,705
authorized to execute the said bylaws and affix the seal

4776
06:07:36,705 --> 06:07:43,945
of the corporation thereto. Bylaw numbers 2024 0086 through to

4777
06:07:43,945 --> 06:07:49,882
20240. Zero, 95. All in favor? That's Carrie. Thank you.

4778
06:07:56,934 --> 06:08:00,094
And finally, it has been moved by Councillor Somerville, seconded

4779
06:08:00,094 --> 06:08:03,774
by Councillor Fogle, that this Councillor. Meeting. Do now adjourn

4780
06:08:03,774 --> 06:08:06,934
at 09:18 p.m. All in favor?