1 00:00:01,141 --> 00:00:02,011 Good afternoon, everybody. 2 00:00:03,361 --> 00:00:06,135 Welcome to this regularly scheduled meeting of the Hamburg Township Board of 3 00:00:06,180 --> 00:00:09,720 Trustees, scheduled today for Tuesday, September 1st, at 2:30 PM. 4 00:00:10,500 --> 00:00:13,456 Would everybody present please rise and join in the Pledge of Allegiance? 5 00:00:16,831 --> 00:00:21,300 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:26,866 Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 7 00:00:26,940 --> 00:00:27,930 justice for all. 8 00:00:29,161 --> 00:00:31,710 Thanks everyone. 9 00:00:36,540 --> 00:00:36,705 Thank you. 10 00:00:36,705 --> 00:00:38,820 Thank you for the ambiance lighting, Clerk Dolan. Appreciate it. 11 00:00:39,030 --> 00:00:39,690 It's bad. 12 00:00:41,550 --> 00:00:42,600 Would you please call the roll? 13 00:00:43,651 --> 00:00:44,639 Supervisor Neigert? 14 00:00:44,700 --> 00:00:45,179 Here, present. 15 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,310 Clerk Dolan is present. Treasurer Daniels? 16 00:00:47,370 --> 00:00:47,640 Present. 17 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:48,960 Trustee Hardesty? 18 00:00:49,110 --> 00:00:49,321 Here. 19 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:50,280 Trustee Hughes? 20 00:00:50,430 --> 00:00:50,850 Present. 21 00:00:51,330 --> 00:00:52,035 Trustee Menzies? 22 00:00:52,110 --> 00:00:52,590 Here. 23 00:00:52,651 --> 00:00:53,190 Trustee Miller? 24 00:00:53,340 --> 00:00:57,120 Here. All right. We have a full board, capable of conducting business. 25 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,481 First order of business is the opening call to the public. 26 00:01:00,630 --> 00:01:03,825 Any member of the public who wishes to address the board on any matter whatsoever, 27 00:01:03,930 --> 00:01:06,375 please approach the podium. You've got three minutes to tell us what's on your 28 00:01:06,390 --> 00:01:10,500 mind. Anything you say may or may not be added to this or a future agenda item of 29 00:01:10,530 --> 00:01:11,010 the board. 30 00:01:14,430 --> 00:01:17,010 I see nobody interested. I will close the opening call to the public. 31 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,560 There will be another call at the end. 32 00:01:19,590 --> 00:01:23,745 On the consent agenda before us, we have the regular board meeting minutes from 33 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:28,785 August 18th, our work study session that's also from August 18th, Park and Rec 34 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:33,450 meeting notice for August, Township Coordinator's report for August, Senior Center 35 00:01:33,510 --> 00:01:37,380 report for August, Public Safety monthly report for the month of July, and the 36 00:01:37,410 --> 00:01:41,190 bills list dated today. Is there any action on the consent agenda? 37 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:43,920 Motion to approve as presented. 38 00:01:45,180 --> 00:01:45,510 Second. 39 00:01:45,810 --> 00:01:49,740 Moved by Hardesty, seconded by Menzies, to approve the consent agenda as presented. 40 00:01:50,130 --> 00:01:51,090 Any discussion on this? 41 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:53,670 All in favor? 42 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:54,690 Aye. 43 00:01:54,705 --> 00:01:54,705 Aye. 44 00:01:54,705 --> 00:01:54,705 Aye. 45 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,930 Any opposed? All right. Consent agenda is adopted. 46 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:03,660 Looking for a motion to approve the agenda. 47 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,370 I have nothing to add, but suggest that we just move everything having to do with 48 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,660 Public Safety to the end because Fund 207 budget's going to take quite a while. 49 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:15,030 Public Safety? 50 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,455 Yeah. Park ranger change in job status is also Public Safety, right? 51 00:02:19,530 --> 00:02:20,340 Is it the only other one? 52 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,120 We can do a motion to approve and it'll be done in 10 seconds. 53 00:02:24,180 --> 00:02:26,955 That's true. We can. All right, we'll just leave it as is then. 54 00:02:26,970 --> 00:02:28,530 Does the board comments need to get moved? 55 00:02:29,101 --> 00:02:31,320 Yeah. That's a misprint. 56 00:02:31,650 --> 00:02:31,860 Okay. 57 00:02:32,101 --> 00:02:32,565 We're just going to solve that. 58 00:02:32,580 --> 00:02:36,540 No, we can do it right now. I make a motion to approve the agenda as presented. 59 00:02:37,980 --> 00:02:40,020 I'll second. All right. Moved by Dolan. 60 00:02:40,171 --> 00:02:43,171 I heard Hardesty louder than Miller, so she gets second on this one. 61 00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:48,150 Let the record reflect that taunt. All in favor? 62 00:02:48,750 --> 00:02:49,320 Aye. 63 00:02:49,921 --> 00:02:50,400 Aye. 64 00:02:51,375 --> 00:02:51,375 Aye. 65 00:02:51,375 --> 00:02:51,375 Aye. 66 00:02:51,391 --> 00:02:54,780 All right. Current business, park ranger change in job status. 67 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,000 I was promised this would be done in 10 seconds. 68 00:02:57,060 --> 00:02:57,990 Motion to approve. 69 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:00,540 As outlined in the memo. 70 00:03:00,585 --> 00:03:01,141 That was easy. 71 00:03:01,171 --> 00:03:05,400 As outlined in the memo, we have one of our permanent part-time park rangers has 72 00:03:05,460 --> 00:03:10,590 accepted a full-time job in the law enforcement department near us. 73 00:03:11,370 --> 00:03:13,139 That'll leave a vacancy in our budgeted 74 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,520 part-time park rangers. We have a current seasonal one. 75 00:03:18,210 --> 00:03:22,320 The timing could not be better. His seasonal employment ends on Labor Day. 76 00:03:23,580 --> 00:03:23,595 Perfect. 77 00:03:23,610 --> 00:03:23,671 So, 78 00:03:27,330 --> 00:03:31,921 I'm looking for a motion from the board to approve the changing of the job status. 79 00:03:31,965 --> 00:03:35,039 It's Easton Hardesty. He's worked throughout the summer. 80 00:03:35,070 --> 00:03:36,870 He's been very reliable, 81 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,080 showing up on time and gets along really well with his fellow coworkers. 82 00:03:43,110 --> 00:03:46,140 So, I think this would be a good addition to make him permanent part-time. 83 00:03:46,201 --> 00:03:48,390 So, I'm looking for a motion to 84 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,400 change his job status to permanent part-time park ranger, effective September 7th, 85 00:03:53,490 --> 00:03:58,215 at his current wage, which is Grade 2, Step 1 of the salary and wage step. 86 00:03:58,215 --> 00:03:59,791 I'll read the motion into the record. 87 00:03:59,851 --> 00:04:04,171 Motion to approve the changing the job status of Easton Hardesty from seasonal 88 00:04:04,201 --> 00:04:07,755 part-time park ranger to permanent part-time park ranger, effective September 7th, 89 00:04:08,460 --> 00:04:14,160 2026, at his current wage of $20.74 per hour, which happens to be Grade 2, Step 90 00:04:14,190 --> 00:04:14,490 1. 91 00:04:15,330 --> 00:04:17,910 I'll second. All right. Moved by Dolan, seconded by Daniels. 92 00:04:18,630 --> 00:04:20,970 When you brought him on, I thought he was in college. 93 00:04:21,990 --> 00:04:22,695 Yes, he was in college. 94 00:04:22,695 --> 00:04:24,195 Is he going to be able to keep up the hours you need? 95 00:04:24,210 --> 00:04:26,220 He's transferred to a college local. 96 00:04:26,445 --> 00:04:26,445 Oh. 97 00:04:26,490 --> 00:04:26,880 So, yes. 98 00:04:27,031 --> 00:04:28,005 Very good. Okay, keep it up. 99 00:04:28,020 --> 00:04:28,890 It works out really well. 100 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:30,480 Because I know you got some needs there. 101 00:04:30,494 --> 00:04:30,720 Good. 102 00:04:31,951 --> 00:04:34,650 Yeah. Any other discussion or questions on this? 103 00:04:36,660 --> 00:04:37,170 All in favor? 104 00:04:37,380 --> 00:04:37,710 Aye. 105 00:04:37,770 --> 00:04:38,250 Aye. 106 00:04:38,265 --> 00:04:38,265 Aye. 107 00:04:38,310 --> 00:04:39,180 Any opposed? 108 00:04:39,210 --> 00:04:39,750 Abstain. 109 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:45,810 Abstain. One abstain. And I remember this came up when Easton 110 00:04:45,870 --> 00:04:50,355 was first hired, so the board should of course remember Joanna's putative conflict 111 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,330 of interest, and your abstention is noted. Thanks, everyone. 112 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:55,289 Thank you. 113 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,160 Thank you. All right. Next up, Hamburg Flyers Club MOU, memorandum of 114 00:04:59,220 --> 00:05:00,480 understanding. 115 00:05:00,540 --> 00:05:06,225 So, at the request of working with Debbie 116 00:05:06,270 --> 00:05:12,060 Henneman as the park coordinator and the park 117 00:05:12,074 --> 00:05:17,370 committee, these MOUs are a whole lot easier to deal with 118 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,410 than the annual application process. We've got this with other groups. 119 00:05:22,470 --> 00:05:23,070 We've got it with 120 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,110 HERO as well. So before you, it is what? A three-year? 121 00:05:28,380 --> 00:05:29,701 Yes. 122 00:05:30,270 --> 00:05:35,640 So, I'll make a motion to authorize Clerk Dolan to enter into the memorandum of 123 00:05:35,850 --> 00:05:39,870 understanding on behalf of the township with the Hamburg Flyers Club, as presented 124 00:05:39,900 --> 00:05:40,650 in today's packet. 125 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:41,400 I'll second. 126 00:05:41,820 --> 00:05:44,400 All right. Moved by Dolan, seconded by Menzies. 127 00:05:45,210 --> 00:05:46,500 Anyone have any questions about this? 128 00:05:47,070 --> 00:05:47,400 I do. 129 00:05:47,550 --> 00:05:47,790 Yes. 130 00:05:48,630 --> 00:05:53,460 Which way are the annual fees being paid, the $350? 131 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:54,360 I missed that. 132 00:05:56,341 --> 00:05:56,670 I'm sorry? 133 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,650 In paragraph eight of the memo, it simply says, "Annual fees for this contract 134 00:06:01,830 --> 00:06:04,710 shall be $350," but it doesn't clarify who's paying whom. 135 00:06:08,310 --> 00:06:09,841 Okay. I'm looking for it. 136 00:06:10,380 --> 00:06:10,574 And if- 137 00:06:10,574 --> 00:06:10,755 And I know- 138 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,445 And if the Flyers are paying... Oh, so have they done that in the past? 139 00:06:14,445 --> 00:06:16,860 Yes, and it's been that same dollar amount for- 140 00:06:17,610 --> 00:06:18,240 Years 141 00:06:18,255 --> 00:06:21,720 ... years and years and years. So, that annual fees for this contract. 142 00:06:21,750 --> 00:06:27,540 So, we'll clean it up to make it better understanding that the Flyers are 143 00:06:27,570 --> 00:06:27,884 paying- 144 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:29,250 The township 145 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:30,765 ... Hamburg Township. 146 00:06:30,765 --> 00:06:35,835 And then, I think I remember reading that they're going to be in charge of the 147 00:06:35,940 --> 00:06:41,010 sledding hill and something else outside of the remote control things. 148 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:42,540 No, that's the township. 149 00:06:42,885 --> 00:06:42,885 No. 150 00:06:42,901 --> 00:06:43,770 The township will. 151 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:44,130 Mm. 152 00:06:44,910 --> 00:06:50,760 Not the Flyers. I know I misread it myself that first time I attacked 153 00:06:51,841 --> 00:06:51,855 it. 154 00:06:51,870 --> 00:06:51,885 Okay. 155 00:06:51,930 --> 00:06:54,901 Yeah. That's subsection C. The township will- 156 00:06:55,170 --> 00:06:55,500 Right 157 00:06:55,710 --> 00:06:57,331 ... provide this. 158 00:06:58,530 --> 00:07:01,980 Okay. How many people are 159 00:07:03,870 --> 00:07:06,690 dues-paying people in the remote Flyers Club? 160 00:07:08,341 --> 00:07:13,980 I don't recall the exact number. It's been pretty steady, but the president's in 161 00:07:14,010 --> 00:07:14,026 the- 162 00:07:14,370 --> 00:07:14,850 Yeah. 163 00:07:14,910 --> 00:07:15,300 Okay. 164 00:07:15,331 --> 00:07:18,210 The president's here. Gene, do you want to please come answer that question? 165 00:07:18,300 --> 00:07:21,000 Yeah. Gene Dotz, president of the Flyers Club. 166 00:07:21,510 --> 00:07:26,490 I'd have to count, but I'm thinking 25 to 30 is in our club, give or take a couple. 167 00:07:27,780 --> 00:07:30,285 It's been steady. We pick up a couple people, we lose a couple people. 168 00:07:30,285 --> 00:07:31,425 Lose a couple. Yeah. 169 00:07:31,425 --> 00:07:31,710 Yeah. 170 00:07:32,100 --> 00:07:34,530 Can I respond? I'm sorry to interrupt. 171 00:07:34,620 --> 00:07:34,635 Yeah. 172 00:07:34,635 --> 00:07:38,790 You asked how many were dues-paying members of the Flyers Club? 173 00:07:39,076 --> 00:07:39,076 No. 174 00:07:39,151 --> 00:07:41,430 Oh, they don't pay dues. 175 00:07:41,490 --> 00:07:45,135 They don't pay dues. They pay a park use fee, but no dues. 176 00:07:45,135 --> 00:07:47,520 They pay a park use fee. In replace of dues, we do fundraisers. 177 00:07:47,820 --> 00:07:51,811 We raise money for the club, and part of the requirements of being a member is to 178 00:07:51,841 --> 00:07:53,250 participate in those fundraisers. 179 00:07:54,030 --> 00:07:58,620 But as far as dues are concerned, we haven't paid dues in 15 years. 180 00:08:00,841 --> 00:08:05,250 And so, this is being done this way now, that you're asking us to do it this way 181 00:08:05,311 --> 00:08:09,000 now, to make it easier 182 00:08:10,230 --> 00:08:12,600 for this to happen each year? 183 00:08:14,250 --> 00:08:14,326 Yes. 184 00:08:14,550 --> 00:08:16,290 I guess I'm looking for the motivation behind this. 185 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:16,966 Yes. Yes. 186 00:08:17,100 --> 00:08:21,870 So, the permit that I submit, and I've been president now for 22 or 23 years- 187 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:22,110 Yes. 188 00:08:22,576 --> 00:08:27,030 ... it's the same permit. All I do is change the date on it and turn it back in. 189 00:08:27,091 --> 00:08:29,520 The language hasn't changed in over 20 years. 190 00:08:30,180 --> 00:08:34,966 So it's just, I guess, help the township administratively and help me from an 191 00:08:34,966 --> 00:08:34,980 administrative perspective. 192 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:40,155 Well, and over and above that, it adds a lot more language and clarity. 193 00:08:40,170 --> 00:08:40,725 It does add a lot more language. 194 00:08:40,725 --> 00:08:44,070 It brings a lot more clarity to the understanding of the agreement with the 195 00:08:44,100 --> 00:08:48,600 township and them. So, I think it plays best for the township. 196 00:08:48,901 --> 00:08:50,760 Give us a rule book to follow for both groups. 197 00:08:50,850 --> 00:08:50,985 Mm-hmm. 198 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:51,436 Yeah. 199 00:08:52,530 --> 00:08:56,790 Because the park use application doesn't have as many rules stipulated- 200 00:08:56,910 --> 00:08:56,925 No 201 00:08:56,925 --> 00:08:58,800 ... as in this memorandum. 202 00:09:04,020 --> 00:09:07,245 Any more questions anyone? Any more commentary? No. 203 00:09:07,260 --> 00:09:07,590 We're good. 204 00:09:07,905 --> 00:09:08,550 All right. Thank you. 205 00:09:09,885 --> 00:09:09,885 Great. 206 00:09:09,931 --> 00:09:10,950 All right. All in favor? 207 00:09:11,130 --> 00:09:11,789 Aye. 208 00:09:11,910 --> 00:09:14,850 Any opposed? All right, motion passes. 209 00:09:15,270 --> 00:09:15,510 Thank you. 210 00:09:15,750 --> 00:09:16,110 Thank you. 211 00:09:17,580 --> 00:09:19,260 Over the road banner resolution. 212 00:09:20,100 --> 00:09:23,610 So we processed that through Parks and Rec, Debbie and I. 213 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:31,110 And as we know, we have the heroes, had those installed out there, for 214 00:09:31,170 --> 00:09:33,931 this reason. I think this is the second year for Freedom River. 215 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:34,695 Fourth. 216 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:35,970 Fourth. On Freedom River? 217 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:36,960 Yep. 218 00:09:37,020 --> 00:09:42,181 So in any case, the road commission requires it to be in resolution format from the 219 00:09:42,210 --> 00:09:45,240 local government to authorize for the banner. 220 00:09:45,300 --> 00:09:49,500 So my motion is to approve the resolution for the Freedom River Halloween 221 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,590 fundraising event banner, 222 00:09:53,790 --> 00:09:58,980 to be hung over Merrill Road at the request of the road commission. 223 00:10:00,061 --> 00:10:04,350 Are the dates here? From September 1st through October 30th. 224 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:08,460 So it's just because we didn't do a resolution last month? 225 00:10:08,580 --> 00:10:09,120 Yes. 226 00:10:09,420 --> 00:10:09,780 That's why. 227 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,190 Yes. Yeah. 228 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:12,254 I just wanted to make sure I understand. 229 00:10:12,270 --> 00:10:15,210 Yeah, it's the resolution. They required the resolution. 230 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,220 It's not an additional banner, it's the same banner. 231 00:10:17,250 --> 00:10:17,760 Yep. 232 00:10:17,776 --> 00:10:20,431 All right. So Mike, you move the resolution? 233 00:10:20,490 --> 00:10:20,760 Yep. 234 00:10:20,820 --> 00:10:21,270 I'll second. 235 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,819 All right. Moved by Dolan, seconded by Miller. 236 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,660 The resolution is in the packet, electronic page 80. Hopefully we go with it. 237 00:10:28,020 --> 00:10:28,694 Roll call vote please. 238 00:10:28,770 --> 00:10:29,129 Negri? 239 00:10:29,431 --> 00:10:29,700 Yes. 240 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:30,870 Dolan? Yes. Daniels? 241 00:10:30,901 --> 00:10:31,080 Yes. 242 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:32,040 Hardesty? 243 00:10:32,130 --> 00:10:32,280 Yes. 244 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:33,120 Hughes? 245 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:33,690 Yes. 246 00:10:33,870 --> 00:10:34,260 Menzies? 247 00:10:34,350 --> 00:10:34,561 Yes. 248 00:10:34,651 --> 00:10:34,920 Miller? 249 00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:35,340 Yes. 250 00:10:35,850 --> 00:10:37,620 All right. Resolution passes. 251 00:10:39,690 --> 00:10:42,660 Next up, final site plan review. David, 252 00:10:43,890 --> 00:10:44,580 come on down. 253 00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:48,151 Were you trying to leave? Come in. 254 00:10:50,235 --> 00:10:51,990 All right. Good afternoon everybody. 255 00:10:52,140 --> 00:10:56,910 So this is, the combined site plan application, PZBA 256 00:10:57,151 --> 00:11:03,030 26-004. This is for our 9704 Quest Road, that's where the property's located. 257 00:11:03,870 --> 00:11:06,990 This is a similar site plan that was approved by the planning commission and the 258 00:11:07,050 --> 00:11:10,050 board of trustees four years ago. It's come back around. 259 00:11:10,110 --> 00:11:13,890 The use now is going to be a restaurant/golf simulator. 260 00:11:14,220 --> 00:11:18,330 It was in front of the planning commission as a combined site plan on August 19th 261 00:11:18,390 --> 00:11:21,570 of this year. They put in six conditions. 262 00:11:21,630 --> 00:11:26,460 Two of the conditions I've noted in parentheses have already been now addressed 263 00:11:26,550 --> 00:11:30,119 since the meeting, and I've added those additional documents to the packet. 264 00:11:30,210 --> 00:11:35,040 So, I think it's relatively straightforward. It is a good project. 265 00:11:35,130 --> 00:11:36,840 It has the support of the neighborhood. 266 00:11:37,290 --> 00:11:41,850 Planning commissioners really thought it was a great use for what's become a 267 00:11:41,910 --> 00:11:46,770 functionally obsolete building. So, the applicant, Mr. Wood is here as well. 268 00:11:46,980 --> 00:11:51,300 If there's any questions that I can't answer, I'm sure he can. So... 269 00:11:52,110 --> 00:11:52,335 All right. 270 00:11:54,061 --> 00:11:56,040 Board members have any questions about this? 271 00:11:56,130 --> 00:11:59,700 I've heard some positive things about this. 272 00:11:59,730 --> 00:12:03,750 My only concern, and again, I'm looking at it right now, would be the parking. 273 00:12:03,901 --> 00:12:05,580 I mean, parking's more than adequate? 274 00:12:05,820 --> 00:12:08,940 Parking does meet the parking requirements, yeah. More than adequate. 275 00:12:09,090 --> 00:12:09,600 All right. 276 00:12:09,780 --> 00:12:11,550 Okay. Joanna? 277 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:17,609 My question for you, David, what is a combined site plan 278 00:12:17,730 --> 00:12:18,436 application? 279 00:12:18,510 --> 00:12:22,380 Oh, good question. So a combined site plan application is, the applicant has an 280 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:28,050 opportunity to, instead of doing a preliminary and a final, to do a combined, for a 281 00:12:28,140 --> 00:12:32,580 smaller, less complex project. And then they can bring that combined site plan 282 00:12:32,940 --> 00:12:37,230 final to the board. So it saves essentially two meetings for them. 283 00:12:37,860 --> 00:12:42,825 It's typically not common because we're used to doing larger subdivisions, but for 284 00:12:42,931 --> 00:12:44,790 a smaller commercial site like this, it is. 285 00:12:45,450 --> 00:12:48,690 Okay. So what we're approving today is preliminary and final? 286 00:12:48,765 --> 00:12:50,610 A preliminary and final, yes, exactly. 287 00:12:50,700 --> 00:12:55,560 Okay. The other question that I had, in your memo to the planning commission, you 288 00:12:55,710 --> 00:12:59,730 said that the applicant had requested waivers to the landscaping and parking 289 00:12:59,790 --> 00:13:00,540 requirements. 290 00:13:01,230 --> 00:13:01,530 Mm-hmm. 291 00:13:01,801 --> 00:13:06,181 And I didn't find it completely addressed. 292 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:11,280 Have waivers, are waivers been granted, or have they complied with what? 293 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,600 Yeah. So the waivers were specifically to the landscaping requirements. 294 00:13:15,645 --> 00:13:15,645 Okay. 295 00:13:15,645 --> 00:13:20,070 So those were in the staff report. There's buffer requirements that were simply not 296 00:13:20,130 --> 00:13:23,220 going to be possible to meet because it's a corner lot. 297 00:13:23,371 --> 00:13:29,161 So we put in for some landscaping waivers to apply. 298 00:13:29,205 --> 00:13:29,205 Okay. 299 00:13:29,220 --> 00:13:30,661 And the parking requirements 300 00:13:31,950 --> 00:13:36,600 were met, and have been met. So, the lot is being paved. 301 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:42,181 There's a pile as well. So everything, again, the applicant really was trying to 302 00:13:42,195 --> 00:13:45,901 essentially mirror the same site plan that was approved four years ago, so there's 303 00:13:45,931 --> 00:13:50,161 been almost no changes. Actually, the building's actually not going to be as tall. 304 00:13:50,431 --> 00:13:54,720 So that's good as well too. So yeah, but the planning commission did grant them 305 00:13:54,810 --> 00:13:58,080 some basic waivers for the landscaping requirements. Yeah. 306 00:13:58,185 --> 00:14:00,540 Okay. 307 00:14:00,630 --> 00:14:01,964 Commissioner. 308 00:14:02,970 --> 00:14:03,450 Well, I 309 00:14:05,130 --> 00:14:05,700 think that 310 00:14:08,010 --> 00:14:08,940 the parking 311 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,880 is the most radical change from what we were used to when it was the Blue Water 312 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,190 thing, that it now kind of went around 313 00:14:19,020 --> 00:14:24,600 the building. I'm a little concerned about the property 314 00:14:24,661 --> 00:14:28,350 to the south with the swale and all of that kind of thing. 315 00:14:28,470 --> 00:14:29,401 But, 316 00:14:31,290 --> 00:14:36,795 I think the neighbors have talked about the fencing and feel pretty good about 317 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:42,181 that. So I know that at least one of the neighbors wants the building to be 318 00:14:42,450 --> 00:14:46,590 renovated instead of sitting there and turning into mush. 319 00:14:49,860 --> 00:14:50,820 Any other board questions? 320 00:14:52,890 --> 00:14:58,110 All right. Then I will entertain a motion to approve the combined site plan as 321 00:14:58,170 --> 00:15:01,530 presented. No more? Then I'll make it. 322 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:06,960 I'll make a motion that we approve the combined site plan application, PZBA 26-004, 323 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,060 located at 9704 Quest Road. 324 00:15:09,420 --> 00:15:10,051 I'll second. 325 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,850 All right. Moved by Negri, seconded by Daniels. 326 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:14,040 Any further discussion? 327 00:15:14,100 --> 00:15:18,151 I just have one question. Any anticipating opening date, completion date? 328 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:21,420 It's looking like March. 329 00:15:22,710 --> 00:15:25,200 So before next golf season, they'll be able to get in there and- 330 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:26,371 Well, I- 331 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:27,540 You want your first tee time. 332 00:15:28,830 --> 00:15:29,700 Do we have the hours 333 00:15:30,990 --> 00:15:31,830 posted here? 334 00:15:32,551 --> 00:15:33,045 I didn't see them. 335 00:15:33,075 --> 00:15:34,080 What are the hours going to be? 336 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,464 I guess they can stay open- 337 00:15:36,496 --> 00:15:39,901 They're in there. I'm sure they are, but I didn't see them yet. 338 00:15:41,250 --> 00:15:46,260 We don't have exact set hours. Probably going to be around 10 or 11:00 AM, 339 00:15:46,350 --> 00:15:49,725 till on the weekends at 10:00 PM, maybe 11:00. 340 00:15:49,740 --> 00:15:52,740 It'll be probably 9:00 or 10:00 during the week. 341 00:15:56,431 --> 00:15:58,320 Everything going well with the state 342 00:15:59,850 --> 00:16:02,926 liquor license and the county health department for food and what have you? 343 00:16:03,090 --> 00:16:04,710 Is that still part of the plan? 344 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:09,570 Yep. We're in motion with it and now we just gotta wait on our build-out. 345 00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:11,746 We're gonna come check it out. 346 00:16:11,746 --> 00:16:11,850 Come check it out. 347 00:16:13,140 --> 00:16:16,200 So I can have a beer with the golf simulator so I don't screw up my outdoor game. 348 00:16:16,230 --> 00:16:17,026 That's right. 349 00:16:17,026 --> 00:16:18,420 Yes, yes. 350 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:21,901 On that note, all in favor? 351 00:16:21,990 --> 00:16:22,890 Aye. Aye. 352 00:16:22,950 --> 00:16:25,830 Any opposed? All right. Motion passes. 353 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:27,735 One. 354 00:16:27,750 --> 00:16:31,860 And approved. Thank you. Hambrick pump station valve replacement. 355 00:16:32,551 --> 00:16:33,570 Tony spending more money. 356 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,635 Every time we meet. 357 00:16:37,635 --> 00:16:37,635 Tony, every meeting. 358 00:16:37,681 --> 00:16:39,195 You got a reputation now. 359 00:16:39,301 --> 00:16:40,411 I skipped last time. 360 00:16:40,740 --> 00:16:42,480 Oh. 361 00:16:43,350 --> 00:16:44,190 Hambrick station, 362 00:16:45,570 --> 00:16:47,670 eight-inch valve we needed to replace there last year. 363 00:16:47,700 --> 00:16:51,270 We discovered when we were hitting the pipe issue, this valve wouldn't shut all the 364 00:16:51,301 --> 00:16:51,510 way. 365 00:16:53,551 --> 00:16:59,490 So we wanted to get through the problem at hand at the time, but come back to 366 00:16:59,551 --> 00:17:00,901 it in warm weather 367 00:17:02,250 --> 00:17:07,111 once the emergency was fixed. So now we're in a new budget year, and before winter 368 00:17:07,140 --> 00:17:08,250 hits, it's a good time to do it. 369 00:17:09,690 --> 00:17:12,960 We've talked to our blank contractor, C&E Construction. 370 00:17:12,990 --> 00:17:17,820 He is too busy to do this right now, with septic failures and sewer costs. 371 00:17:18,330 --> 00:17:24,301 But C&E, I'm sorry, NCE Construction, comprehensive contracting, gave us a price on 372 00:17:24,361 --> 00:17:29,250 this, $19,450, which was a little bit higher than expected. 373 00:17:29,310 --> 00:17:32,670 We did go back and talk to him, and I got a new quote this morning. 374 00:17:32,820 --> 00:17:37,590 We got it down now to $17,450, mainly because he was able to get a hold of a fusing 375 00:17:37,621 --> 00:17:42,090 machine. He doesn't have to pay as much as he was going to. 376 00:17:42,195 --> 00:17:45,510 He was going to have to rent it somewhere else. Borrowing it. 377 00:17:47,190 --> 00:17:52,380 So the total cost will be $17,450, $2,000 less than what's in the packet. 378 00:17:55,410 --> 00:17:59,670 The governance and contracting has done a lot of work for us before. 379 00:18:00,900 --> 00:18:01,230 Okay. 380 00:18:02,970 --> 00:18:03,975 I'll make a motion to approve 381 00:18:05,454 --> 00:18:08,694 ... comprehensive contracting to replace the eight-inch gate valve and adjacent 382 00:18:08,754 --> 00:18:14,634 piping near the Hamburg pump station for a total cost of 17,450, is that what you 383 00:18:14,694 --> 00:18:14,934 said? 384 00:18:14,964 --> 00:18:15,504 Mm-hmm. 385 00:18:16,194 --> 00:18:19,404 And that's coming from the- 386 00:18:19,434 --> 00:18:20,664 From the sewer enterprise budget- 387 00:18:20,814 --> 00:18:21,384 Enterprise 388 00:18:21,399 --> 00:18:22,329 ... yep, 590- 389 00:18:22,404 --> 00:18:23,829 And is it budgeted? 390 00:18:23,874 --> 00:18:24,534 It is budgeted. 391 00:18:24,954 --> 00:18:25,104 Okay. 392 00:18:26,844 --> 00:18:31,013 We know we're going to get the best deal if it's coming from Tony. Tony Riccardi. 393 00:18:31,254 --> 00:18:33,969 True enough. All right. We've got a motion. How about a second? 394 00:18:34,614 --> 00:18:35,019 I'll second. 395 00:18:35,364 --> 00:18:38,874 All right. Seconded by Menzies. Very hearty. 396 00:18:40,254 --> 00:18:41,004 Any questions? 397 00:18:43,015 --> 00:18:43,554 All in favor? 398 00:18:43,854 --> 00:18:44,364 Aye. 399 00:18:44,949 --> 00:18:44,949 Aye. 400 00:18:44,994 --> 00:18:48,174 Any opposed? All right. Motion approved. 401 00:18:48,834 --> 00:18:48,909 Thank you. 402 00:18:48,909 --> 00:18:49,164 Thank you. 403 00:18:50,725 --> 00:18:51,174 All right. 404 00:18:52,824 --> 00:18:56,004 Now, I'd like to say that wraps up our meeting today, but it doesn't. 405 00:18:56,018 --> 00:18:56,018 Yeah, it wouldn't. 406 00:18:56,034 --> 00:18:57,144 Motion to adjourn. 407 00:18:57,714 --> 00:19:00,654 Hurry up. Somebody have to make a motion. All right. 408 00:19:01,914 --> 00:19:06,774 Chief Duffy, come on down. You've got- That's a foreboding introduction. Ah. 409 00:19:08,424 --> 00:19:11,634 It'll be fine. I know you've got a handout for us, too, right? Yeah. 410 00:19:11,694 --> 00:19:13,765 So as I indicated in the memo, 411 00:19:17,124 --> 00:19:21,640 myself, the DC, and lieutenant have been, since the millage passed, and first of 412 00:19:21,654 --> 00:19:24,909 all, obviously, it's a good problem to have that the millage passed. 413 00:19:24,909 --> 00:19:26,288 We're trying to figure out what to do with the money. 414 00:19:26,934 --> 00:19:32,874 But we've been wanting to update our 10-year capital forecast as well as a 10-year 415 00:19:33,324 --> 00:19:36,054 financial projection for the police department. 416 00:19:36,084 --> 00:19:40,914 But, until we get some definite answers on some things, it's been impossible to 417 00:19:40,944 --> 00:19:43,914 move forward because there are several variables in play here. 418 00:19:44,004 --> 00:19:46,254 So, I did give, in the packet, 419 00:19:47,484 --> 00:19:52,059 what I would call a baseline financial projection, where it doesn't include any 420 00:19:52,134 --> 00:19:57,850 general fund contribution, doesn't address the MERS repayment issue, and it doesn't 421 00:19:58,015 --> 00:20:03,804 show any additional officers. So what I did over the weekend, anticipating 422 00:20:03,819 --> 00:20:09,265 probably the most common scenarios that will be discussed, I went through and took 423 00:20:09,324 --> 00:20:12,009 the baseline and then you'll see, I'll get everybody... 424 00:20:12,174 --> 00:20:16,914 I just finished it yesterday. I would've liked to give it to you over the weekend, 425 00:20:16,944 --> 00:20:22,734 but I just got it finished. But it'll be a good document to have as a 426 00:20:22,765 --> 00:20:26,784 resource to look at when we're discussing this, where we'll have some hard numbers. 427 00:20:27,294 --> 00:20:31,029 So basically, each one of them is a different scenario, depending, showing 428 00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:36,234 different general fund contributions, whether the MERS issue is repaid back to 429 00:20:36,265 --> 00:20:40,134 general fund or not. And then all of them contemplate, except for the baseline one, 430 00:20:40,164 --> 00:20:45,594 hiring two officers because that's what was told to the residents 431 00:20:46,884 --> 00:20:47,574 as one of the benefits of voting yes. 432 00:20:47,634 --> 00:20:48,624 But in any event, so 433 00:20:51,444 --> 00:20:54,503 these are probably the six most common. 434 00:20:54,744 --> 00:21:00,444 The front page is like a table of contents, just showing, and then if you 435 00:21:00,504 --> 00:21:06,174 look where it says Projection A, B, C, when you open up, each one has 436 00:21:06,204 --> 00:21:10,463 the letter on the left-hand side, so it should be relatively easy to follow. 437 00:21:11,004 --> 00:21:13,794 And again, it's just, not to do a big- 438 00:21:15,189 --> 00:21:18,594 Oh, that's yours. Okay. Thank you ... 439 00:21:18,684 --> 00:21:22,704 scientific study, but it's if we say, "Hey, we're going to do this with general 440 00:21:22,734 --> 00:21:28,390 fund and this with MERS," that there is something to refer back to, a resource to 441 00:21:28,434 --> 00:21:30,265 say, "Well, how does this impact 442 00:21:31,524 --> 00:21:34,119 everything, the numbers," I guess, or whatever. 443 00:21:34,314 --> 00:21:38,094 So, or what if, you know, 444 00:21:40,614 --> 00:21:43,944 what happens with COVID? So, I don't know where 445 00:21:45,774 --> 00:21:47,274 you want to start. 446 00:21:49,254 --> 00:21:49,554 I know, 447 00:21:50,784 --> 00:21:51,234 for me, 448 00:21:52,464 --> 00:21:57,654 moving forward, there's three things that really are paramount in my 449 00:21:57,714 --> 00:21:59,574 considerations of what I'd like to see. 450 00:22:00,984 --> 00:22:04,314 First and foremost, I want to make sure that we have a plan in place for 10 years 451 00:22:04,344 --> 00:22:08,409 from now that we're in a financial position where we don't have to ask for millage 452 00:22:08,454 --> 00:22:12,954 increase, that we go into the next millage just asking for straight up approval. 453 00:22:13,404 --> 00:22:17,424 I think that's a top priority. Secondly, 454 00:22:19,854 --> 00:22:25,719 I also want to make sure that we are in a position that 455 00:22:25,824 --> 00:22:30,369 if the housing market crashes and our tax revenue goes down, that we're in a 456 00:22:30,414 --> 00:22:32,528 position where we don't have to lay off officers. 457 00:22:33,475 --> 00:22:39,265 I was right in the middle of it in '08, when that market crashed, and I 458 00:22:39,324 --> 00:22:42,714 know our department went from 86 officers down to the 60s. 459 00:22:42,864 --> 00:22:47,484 Our neighboring Inkster went from 62 officers to 21. 460 00:22:47,544 --> 00:22:50,934 Pontiac folded their police department. They've never been back. 461 00:22:50,994 --> 00:22:54,294 So, that's another thing I want to make sure of. 462 00:22:56,094 --> 00:22:56,184 I 463 00:22:57,504 --> 00:23:01,464 read stuff all the time, and everyone's always predicting gloom and doom. 464 00:23:02,754 --> 00:23:04,854 And so that was another consideration. 465 00:23:04,884 --> 00:23:06,024 And then also, 466 00:23:09,354 --> 00:23:14,814 we want to make sure that we're in a position that if we have any unanticipated, 467 00:23:16,074 --> 00:23:21,399 primarily IT-related stuff, that we have enough in our reserves to cover it. 468 00:23:21,475 --> 00:23:25,614 Every time Darius goes to the ALB meeting, Administrative Oversight, he comes back 469 00:23:25,674 --> 00:23:25,854 with, 470 00:23:27,144 --> 00:23:30,144 "The county's talking about this, and the county's talking about this," whether 471 00:23:30,174 --> 00:23:34,899 it's the CAD system or it's the record management system or the, all the big-ticket 472 00:23:35,214 --> 00:23:39,294 things. So he scares me every time because we're at the mercy of the county. 473 00:23:39,384 --> 00:23:42,265 If the county says we're switching our RMS- Just to let him go to the meetings 474 00:23:42,294 --> 00:23:48,129 anymore. I know. So if the county goes, "Ah," says we're switching over to RMS, and 475 00:23:48,144 --> 00:23:52,119 it's going to be a million-dollar migration, which I think that was the figure we 476 00:23:52,134 --> 00:23:56,484 were talking about. Yes. So my point being is he scares me every time he comes back 477 00:23:56,515 --> 00:24:00,759 from ALB. So I want to make sure we have solid reserves- Yes ... 478 00:24:00,774 --> 00:24:03,684 that we can take that hit if necessary. 479 00:24:03,804 --> 00:24:03,924 So, 480 00:24:06,024 --> 00:24:09,653 I guess I don't know. I turn it back over to you. 481 00:24:11,124 --> 00:24:17,004 How do we move forward? Like I said, we have the 487 that's been allocated, 482 00:24:17,034 --> 00:24:22,629 the 555 that we spent on Rick's warning system purchase, and we have the issue of 483 00:24:22,644 --> 00:24:25,164 the MERS repayment, and whatever. 484 00:24:26,784 --> 00:24:31,044 Again, I'm not even per se advocating for any of these proposals. 485 00:24:31,254 --> 00:24:36,684 Just tell me what my parameters are so I can move this forward. Correct. 486 00:24:36,713 --> 00:24:41,124 We've talked about all these issues, but we haven't actually come to consensus on 487 00:24:41,154 --> 00:24:44,289 the board to vote on these things. So if the chief needs direction, 488 00:24:45,654 --> 00:24:46,089 we have to get it to him. 489 00:24:46,089 --> 00:24:48,564 Mm-hmm. Absolutely. 490 00:24:48,684 --> 00:24:48,850 Well, 491 00:24:50,154 --> 00:24:53,844 so one, two, three, four questions. 492 00:24:54,294 --> 00:24:59,469 The 555 is already a done deal. Are we going to undo it, is the question, right? 493 00:24:59,484 --> 00:25:04,689 That's already done. As well as the 487, because we gave some to fire. 494 00:25:04,689 --> 00:25:05,424 We gave some of that to the fire. 495 00:25:07,794 --> 00:25:12,504 In our budget. That we passed. Yes. As a transfer out, 555 to the police. Yeah. 496 00:25:12,534 --> 00:25:17,454 And in our last board meeting or two board meetings ago, we took- Of that to the 497 00:25:17,484 --> 00:25:21,414 fire, yes ... 8,000, I'm forgetting the exact number, and moved it out of that. 498 00:25:21,924 --> 00:25:23,664 So it's the 487. 499 00:25:23,874 --> 00:25:24,714 Yeah. 500 00:25:24,864 --> 00:25:28,209 487 is already a done deal. It's right here. It's already a done deal. 501 00:25:28,239 --> 00:25:30,714 Are we going to undo it? Mm-hmm. And is there any future? 502 00:25:32,094 --> 00:25:37,540 Then the 413, 413,000 for MERS. And then if there's going to be any new 503 00:25:37,584 --> 00:25:38,124 hires. 504 00:25:43,584 --> 00:25:43,734 Okay. 505 00:25:44,725 --> 00:25:46,044 So, the new hires, 506 00:25:47,544 --> 00:25:50,934 I think it was discussed in committee. This board's never discussed it. 507 00:25:51,894 --> 00:25:54,818 But we've never approved it. We're going to have to talk about it. 508 00:25:54,818 --> 00:25:55,614 We never approved it. We had the discussion. 509 00:25:55,674 --> 00:26:01,059 Chief brought before us, when we were discussing what 510 00:26:02,004 --> 00:26:07,884 the millage rate was going to be, he brought us some proposals, starting at where 511 00:26:07,915 --> 00:26:12,144 we're at now and going all the way up to 3.2717. 512 00:26:12,654 --> 00:26:15,054 We had a very lengthy discussion about 513 00:26:16,314 --> 00:26:21,715 what we wanted to see, what he proposed, the two new hires at that time. 514 00:26:22,344 --> 00:26:28,044 The $413,000 MERS payment was not even 515 00:26:28,614 --> 00:26:32,995 on anybody's radar. It was on our radar, but not coming from police. 516 00:26:33,054 --> 00:26:37,344 It was coming from general fund. It was certainly not on PD's radar at the time 517 00:26:37,374 --> 00:26:41,304 that all this was presented, and we made the decision to go for the three 518 00:26:42,924 --> 00:26:47,739 mills. It was talked about. It was talked about at length, and the general fund 519 00:26:47,739 --> 00:26:49,659 contribution was talked about at length. 520 00:26:50,574 --> 00:26:51,234 In committee. 521 00:26:51,294 --> 00:26:56,514 We talked about it at this meeting when we were discussing the three, what millage 522 00:26:56,605 --> 00:27:00,894 rate we were going after. Jason concurred at the last meeting that we had started 523 00:27:00,924 --> 00:27:04,554 out at 250,000. And Pat, I think that was in committee. 524 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:04,884 And we- 525 00:27:05,094 --> 00:27:05,109 Yep 526 00:27:05,124 --> 00:27:08,364 ... brought the recommendation back to the board for the 100,000. 527 00:27:08,934 --> 00:27:12,834 So we reduced it, and Jason was willing to go along with it, even though he was 528 00:27:12,894 --> 00:27:13,884 against it at first- 529 00:27:13,899 --> 00:27:13,899 Correct 530 00:27:13,915 --> 00:27:15,745 ... with the 250. So 531 00:27:17,730 --> 00:27:19,620 And as far as that MERS payment goes, 532 00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:25,321 I don't even think we should even be considering that that come from the police 533 00:27:25,380 --> 00:27:30,750 fund, considering what our discussion was at the time when we made the decision to 534 00:27:30,780 --> 00:27:36,361 move forward with that, what our plan was. It was a general fund expense. 535 00:27:37,230 --> 00:27:43,170 Based on that, we did a budget amendment in July 536 00:27:43,290 --> 00:27:48,390 to move that money into the general fund or take it from the general fund. 537 00:27:48,495 --> 00:27:51,135 It was not police, and we never notified the police department. 538 00:27:51,150 --> 00:27:54,135 We never asked the police chief if this was an okay thing- 539 00:27:54,210 --> 00:27:54,435 No, right 540 00:27:54,435 --> 00:27:55,440 ... to take out of your budget. 541 00:27:55,470 --> 00:27:55,590 Right. 542 00:27:55,650 --> 00:27:57,361 Because that wasn't our motivation. 543 00:27:57,601 --> 00:27:58,170 Correct. 544 00:27:59,670 --> 00:28:05,071 So yeah, I'm pretty firm that the MERS is not to be the police expense. 545 00:28:06,210 --> 00:28:06,525 When were you- 546 00:28:06,795 --> 00:28:11,821 That's just my thoughts. When were you thinking the two officers? 547 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,920 Were you thinking, what budget year? 548 00:28:14,010 --> 00:28:14,640 I would prefer- 549 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,650 26, 27, is that where we were? Yeah. 550 00:28:16,696 --> 00:28:19,470 Yeah. So I would prefer not till next... 551 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:25,200 I'd like to get a full year collected, with one caveat in that one of our 552 00:28:25,290 --> 00:28:30,210 sergeants apparently or allegedly or may be leaving at the beginning of the year. 553 00:28:32,101 --> 00:28:36,810 Maybe May or June, get in maybe the new hires, because if we're going to do a list 554 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,760 to bill him, we'd have to wait. Or I'd like to do a list, but I'd like to get him 555 00:28:41,821 --> 00:28:46,380 in in May or June just to get him into the program, have him here for Fun Fest, 556 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,730 have him here, get trained on the boat, get him in here for June-ish. 557 00:28:50,790 --> 00:28:53,250 So, I mean, I can wait till July 1st. 558 00:28:53,339 --> 00:28:58,380 I really want to get a full year of the millage rate, the millage, uh- 559 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,000 You got the additional expenditure in your body. 560 00:29:00,301 --> 00:29:03,510 Yes. So I would prefer to wait as long as possible. 561 00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:04,051 I concur. 562 00:29:05,130 --> 00:29:09,840 So I'm shooting for the May, June, July-ish picture. 563 00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:12,420 But definitely not before that. 564 00:29:15,525 --> 00:29:20,805 Okay. 565 00:29:23,370 --> 00:29:27,705 And the logic behind the $100,000 commitment, 566 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,960 and me and you have talked about this previously. 567 00:29:34,380 --> 00:29:34,486 Sure. 568 00:29:34,486 --> 00:29:36,840 So there were some reasons- 569 00:29:36,930 --> 00:29:40,321 If they've got a healthy millage, why would the general fund be giving money to it? 570 00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:42,571 You or me. 571 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,880 Well, because you have always said that that's what you promised the residents 572 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,040 when we got a police department started. 573 00:29:53,611 --> 00:29:59,265 So I wasn't here for that. I don't know about 574 00:29:59,340 --> 00:29:59,670 that. 575 00:30:01,890 --> 00:30:04,020 I will just say that my position is 576 00:30:05,580 --> 00:30:10,755 the MERS money comes from the general fund because that 577 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:11,580 was 578 00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:18,030 the township board figuring out how to manage the retirement things 579 00:30:18,690 --> 00:30:20,280 now and into the future. 580 00:30:24,510 --> 00:30:29,579 And we had had a group of police officers that were in a program 581 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,940 that was saving the township money, that the board had approved, and we had lived 582 00:30:36,030 --> 00:30:41,970 under it for some years, and then this board came along and said, "Oh, no, 583 00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:47,220 no, no." So to me, this is a general fund expense for the MERS 584 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:53,670 catch-up for going up, for the public safety MERS pensions 585 00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:54,660 in the future. 586 00:30:58,410 --> 00:31:04,051 I guess 587 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:09,660 I've heard Mike say, and it seemed to me that a department should live under its 588 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:15,555 millage. So if we're going to back up and say, "Okay, you've got 589 00:31:15,601 --> 00:31:20,220 your three mills. Figure out what that's going to do for you for the next 10 590 00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:23,190 years," I think I could go along with that. 591 00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:29,551 Okay. Joanna, did you want to offer a philosophical explanation in defense of the 592 00:31:29,851 --> 00:31:32,010 $100,000 a year contribution from the general fund? 593 00:31:32,130 --> 00:31:38,071 Yes. Actually, Patricia helped in committee, to better 594 00:31:40,380 --> 00:31:42,450 clarify the reason for doing that. 595 00:31:42,601 --> 00:31:48,510 I had mentioned, and I've stood behind this from day one, is that when we 596 00:31:48,571 --> 00:31:53,205 went after a police millage back, how many years ago has it been now? Do you know? 597 00:31:53,205 --> 00:31:54,030 The very first one? 598 00:31:54,090 --> 00:31:55,080 Yeah, the very first one. 599 00:31:55,710 --> 00:32:01,440 Well, we tried to do a joint back in '97, '98, somewhere in there. 600 00:32:01,650 --> 00:32:01,875 So it's been a few years. 601 00:32:01,890 --> 00:32:02,760 It might be '96. 602 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:03,780 Been a few years. 603 00:32:03,930 --> 00:32:04,980 And- 604 00:32:07,140 --> 00:32:09,660 Police was completely funded by the general fund. 605 00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:14,205 And when we decided we were going to go after a police millage, there was some 606 00:32:14,250 --> 00:32:15,870 backlash down at that time, 607 00:32:17,101 --> 00:32:22,020 and people did not want to see, our taxpayers did not want to see us get a millage 608 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,861 and then put that money that was funding the police department back into the 609 00:32:25,890 --> 00:32:28,500 general fund. They wanted to see it go for it. 610 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:34,125 So we, at that point, made a commitment that a certain percentage of that would 611 00:32:34,170 --> 00:32:38,220 go, general fund would go with the police millage. 612 00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:41,430 And I know that's happened every time, every renewal since. 613 00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:46,920 But Patricia brought up that we have a healthy fund balance. Well, we did. 614 00:32:47,505 --> 00:32:47,505 Good. 615 00:32:47,551 --> 00:32:52,801 Yeah. I said that. And, the point was that because we 616 00:32:52,830 --> 00:32:58,111 do, it would be nice to say to the residents, "You're getting something for your 617 00:32:58,170 --> 00:33:01,710 money, that part of that money is going back to help run the police department." 618 00:33:01,770 --> 00:33:07,215 And one of the issues that we discussed were these two, hiring two new bodies, two 619 00:33:07,260 --> 00:33:11,190 new police officers, and that was all part of it as well. 620 00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:17,520 I really would love to see us continue that general fund contribution at 621 00:33:17,611 --> 00:33:22,020 100,000, even though we started out at 250. 622 00:33:24,780 --> 00:33:27,750 And definitely not take that MERS payment from the police department. 623 00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:34,980 So I have a quick... So, the projection B, that shows no general 624 00:33:35,130 --> 00:33:40,321 fund, that we don't pay back the MERS per payment, and then the two officers. 625 00:33:41,130 --> 00:33:42,991 Mm-hmm. 626 00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:48,601 I guess a quick question I have, does the board resolution that we carry 627 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,060 25% of our operations, is that 628 00:33:52,380 --> 00:33:57,030 real? Is that legitimate? Is that something we need to do? 629 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,351 I think so. What's it mean? 630 00:33:58,801 --> 00:33:59,760 So that's my question. 631 00:33:59,821 --> 00:34:01,665 Board resolution that they carry 25% of operations. 632 00:34:01,710 --> 00:34:05,220 Does that carry any weight, is my question. Are we supposed to do that? 633 00:34:05,970 --> 00:34:06,930 I'm asking, because- 634 00:34:07,140 --> 00:34:10,875 That portion was not included when we updated our administrative policies and 635 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:16,560 procedures and actually put the 125% for general fund operation. 636 00:34:17,611 --> 00:34:21,630 That portion was not included in the APPM. There was a previous resolution. 637 00:34:21,721 --> 00:34:23,280 Can that be binding on future boards? 638 00:34:23,580 --> 00:34:25,366 No, I'm asking. Does that mean- 639 00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:26,880 If it wasn't included, then it's not. 640 00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:27,810 So does that mean anything? 641 00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:33,450 I think if it's going to be real, it should be a motion to put it into the APPM. 642 00:34:33,721 --> 00:34:34,980 That's my opinion. 643 00:34:35,580 --> 00:34:37,394 No, and I'm asking, I don't know the answer. 644 00:34:37,471 --> 00:34:39,375 I just didn't know, does that mean anything? 645 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:44,670 I think that's the answer. If it was deliberately not included in our most recently 646 00:34:44,730 --> 00:34:48,601 approved administrative policies and procedures, and it had been in a previous 647 00:34:48,630 --> 00:34:50,790 version and was removed, I would say it's not binding. 648 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:53,341 Okay. I'm just asking. 649 00:34:53,370 --> 00:34:54,390 That's my answer. I know. 650 00:34:54,420 --> 00:34:56,940 If I don't have to follow it, then it matters. 651 00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:57,900 Right. 652 00:34:58,230 --> 00:35:03,360 Because a lot of these, they show this thing in red all through the whole 10 years. 653 00:35:03,420 --> 00:35:06,300 That's my question is, that's fine. That's fine. 654 00:35:06,450 --> 00:35:10,140 But what are the rules, I guess I'm asking. I don't have to have 25%. 655 00:35:11,130 --> 00:35:13,800 Well, what would it look like without the two officers? 656 00:35:14,910 --> 00:35:15,270 I'm sorry? 657 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,670 How much red would there be if we weren't doing two officers? 658 00:35:22,110 --> 00:35:22,860 Well, that would be A. 659 00:35:23,310 --> 00:35:26,730 Yeah, the only version that doesn't contemplate the hiring of officers is A. 660 00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:26,894 Yeah. 661 00:35:27,870 --> 00:35:30,660 There's no officers, that's no general fund. 662 00:35:31,530 --> 00:35:32,715 But like I said, I don't even 663 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,491 know how that could be an option since the voters were told we were getting two 664 00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:42,930 officers. And that was on the township website. 665 00:35:43,020 --> 00:35:45,570 So it's not like the union- 666 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,040 Well, you know I don't get as excited about what the other townships and the state 667 00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:55,260 says the ratio of police officers to residents should be. 668 00:35:58,170 --> 00:36:02,640 Well, we're way below anyway. Even with two officers, we're still way below. 669 00:36:03,210 --> 00:36:03,540 I know. 670 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,660 So to me, I guess maybe that's a start. 671 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:12,570 I think not hiring two officers is not even on the 672 00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:14,130 table. I don't know how it could be. 673 00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:18,105 Well, all right. Considering that there are four variables involved in this, I 674 00:36:18,180 --> 00:36:22,096 think unless anybody has a better suggestion, why don't we take them one by one and 675 00:36:22,110 --> 00:36:25,965 take a board vote on each of these four variables to get the sense of where we 676 00:36:25,965 --> 00:36:29,040 think we're at right now. I'm not comfortable doing any... 677 00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:33,000 I have some more questions before I'm comfortable answering any one. 678 00:36:34,471 --> 00:36:37,530 I anticipate that the questions would come as each area came up. 679 00:36:38,971 --> 00:36:39,570 Okay. 680 00:36:39,601 --> 00:36:43,366 Is that, it makes sense to me. First, we're going to tackle the mercy repayment. 681 00:36:43,710 --> 00:36:46,080 Hash everything out. You got questions, comments, now's your chance. 682 00:36:46,110 --> 00:36:50,040 Well, first, we have an eight-year projection here and a 10-year village. 683 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:57,075 That's what Michelle sent is, I don't know if the last two years are- Well, and I'm 684 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:57,810 just saying, 685 00:36:59,250 --> 00:37:02,430 if everybody's looking at these numbers and nobody's questioned that we can run it 686 00:37:02,491 --> 00:37:06,855 out 10 years, how are we going to- I didn't ask Michelle why she did it. 687 00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:12,300 Yeah, I don't know. Usually in the budget it's only a six-year projection or five 688 00:37:12,330 --> 00:37:14,910 years. Yeah, I don't know what was- I mean, 689 00:37:17,550 --> 00:37:21,930 you can get a reasonable sense of the trend. Yeah. Well, yeah. 690 00:37:22,410 --> 00:37:28,110 In looking at the trend of fund balance at the last 691 00:37:28,170 --> 00:37:33,690 projection year here, '33, '34, which is year eight, is $3.7 692 00:37:33,721 --> 00:37:39,420 million. I did the conservative additional 700,000 for year nine, additional 693 00:37:39,660 --> 00:37:45,120 700,000 for year 10. That puts it at $5.2 million fund 694 00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:50,101 balance. 5.2. If you're looking at A, that's without the two officers. 695 00:37:50,565 --> 00:37:54,090 No, I'm looking at my numbers here. I'm just talking my numbers. 696 00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:56,010 Where are your numbers? In front of me. 697 00:37:57,810 --> 00:38:01,230 What doc-- Are you talking off of A? 698 00:38:02,430 --> 00:38:04,575 No, I'm not even looking at your packet. All right. 699 00:38:04,590 --> 00:38:07,096 I did my own calculations a half hour before the board meeting. 700 00:38:07,530 --> 00:38:13,005 What I'm saying is, is year eight, that $3.7 million- Without- What's in the packet 701 00:38:13,005 --> 00:38:18,840 ... hiring two officers. Correct. Right. Without hiring two officers, 3.784. 702 00:38:19,351 --> 00:38:24,120 Correct. And then I added 700,000 for year nine and 700,000 for year 10. Right. 703 00:38:24,135 --> 00:38:28,860 The trend. That puts it at $5.2 million projected. Right. Okay. 704 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:29,940 Then- 705 00:38:30,090 --> 00:38:35,160 So his trends that got to 3.784, which is what you're talking, it's what A is. 706 00:38:35,565 --> 00:38:35,670 Right. 707 00:38:35,851 --> 00:38:38,400 It's only a difference of about 500 a year. 708 00:38:38,580 --> 00:38:38,625 Right. 709 00:38:38,625 --> 00:38:41,580 And not 700 like you're-- I don't know where you're getting 700 from. 710 00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:43,830 Look at the trend. 711 00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:44,879 I am. 712 00:38:46,290 --> 00:38:50,400 So one to six is five. Six to 713 00:38:51,690 --> 00:38:52,260 12, 714 00:38:53,730 --> 00:38:57,780 six and a half. So it's about five to six there. 715 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:03,540 The 3.2 to 3.7, that's five. I don't know where you're getting 700,000 a year on 716 00:39:03,601 --> 00:39:03,960 the trend. 717 00:39:04,380 --> 00:39:06,780 Where would you like me to use? 500,000? 718 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:07,275 I'm just- 719 00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:09,675 I'll- 720 00:39:09,675 --> 00:39:11,221 I'm just trying to follow your math. 721 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:11,370 Okay. 722 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:12,241 That's all I'm trying to do. 723 00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:14,596 Well, let's not. Let's just make it easy. 500,000. 724 00:39:14,910 --> 00:39:14,925 Okay. 725 00:39:14,940 --> 00:39:17,491 We'll use that for a trend. Very conservative approach, right? 726 00:39:17,550 --> 00:39:17,940 Okay. 727 00:39:18,030 --> 00:39:20,430 So what do we do? So that's $4.8 million. 728 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:22,170 Okay. 729 00:39:22,530 --> 00:39:22,830 Okay. 730 00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:30,346 Then, again, I just put this together right before the board meeting, and I'm going 731 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:35,851 to share the numbers and I'd like to hear feedback if I'm wrong here. 732 00:39:36,780 --> 00:39:41,610 But I started with a base point of 125, a cost for one officer at 733 00:39:41,625 --> 00:39:46,230 $125,000. So two officers is $250,000. 734 00:39:46,260 --> 00:39:49,110 Is that what's up? Your base there was 100,000. 735 00:39:49,230 --> 00:39:50,580 Yeah, you're not including investment. 736 00:39:50,610 --> 00:39:53,491 Year was? Yes. Well, that'll be. 737 00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:54,721 Yeah, we got that'll be now. 738 00:39:55,020 --> 00:39:55,125 Well- 739 00:39:56,430 --> 00:40:02,221 It's 150 minimum per officer. So I was being light 740 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,480 saying 300,000. So you, like you're saying, you can take 3 million out of that, 741 00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:12,450 quote unquote. By your point. It's 150 an officer, easily. 742 00:40:12,540 --> 00:40:18,000 Okay. At 125 an officer, running it out for the 10 years, the cost is $3.2 743 00:40:18,030 --> 00:40:18,721 million. 744 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,770 And I think it's a little bit open. Okay. 745 00:40:23,370 --> 00:40:26,610 Yeah, I was going to say, by the time this is up, they're going to be making 746 00:40:27,870 --> 00:40:28,080 three- 747 00:40:28,471 --> 00:40:29,971 I added 7% each year 748 00:40:32,250 --> 00:40:33,630 ... plus all their benefits. 749 00:40:33,690 --> 00:40:38,400 What I'm suggesting is, do we know what the police fund balance is going to be at 750 00:40:38,430 --> 00:40:42,570 the end of 10 years with hiring two new officers? We do not have that information. 751 00:40:42,930 --> 00:40:46,320 How are we going to make these other decisions not knowing that information? 752 00:40:46,471 --> 00:40:50,415 I come up with $3.2 million over 10 years of hiring these officers. 753 00:40:50,851 --> 00:40:54,180 Make it $4 million. That's fine. That still leaves a fund balance in the police of 754 00:40:54,195 --> 00:40:55,380 $1.2 million. 755 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,190 So if you go to document B that he gave you. Page-- If you go to B. 756 00:40:59,250 --> 00:41:02,880 So are you hung up on the last two years on it? I can have Michelle rerun it. 757 00:41:03,241 --> 00:41:04,410 I just used what she has. 758 00:41:04,590 --> 00:41:10,185 So document B shows that with two officers, putting no 759 00:41:10,290 --> 00:41:14,971 additional funds in, that it's going to bring you at 1.2 million. 760 00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:15,780 In year eight. 761 00:41:15,870 --> 00:41:19,560 In year eight, so then it's 150, so 300,000. 762 00:41:19,620 --> 00:41:25,290 So you're going to do 1.6, like you need 1.7 million in reserve with two 763 00:41:25,351 --> 00:41:27,630 officers. It's not going to be 4.5 million. 764 00:41:27,660 --> 00:41:28,890 And that's still less than- 765 00:41:29,010 --> 00:41:29,070 No 766 00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:33,375 ... 25%, which I know is not binding, but you're looking at a whole number instead 767 00:41:33,390 --> 00:41:38,340 of the percentage of our budget. Our budget by then is going to be $5, $6 million a 768 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,616 year. Or it's 4.6 million now. Well, it'll- My point is- Our revenues are up- ... 769 00:41:42,644 --> 00:41:46,170 you're playing with a million dollars, above a million dollars here. 770 00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:51,060 Okay, well, in eight or 10 years, a million dollars is still going to be, what, 20% 771 00:41:51,210 --> 00:41:55,110 of our operating. Instead of looking at the numbers, you should look at the 772 00:41:55,140 --> 00:41:59,745 percentage of our budget. It's not- I- A million dollars sounds like a big number 773 00:41:59,910 --> 00:42:03,314 ... we have a policy not to go below 125. Okay. 774 00:42:03,330 --> 00:42:06,510 And if we don't recover these funds, we are going to go below 125. 775 00:42:07,770 --> 00:42:12,960 Period. The 413 was a budget amendment done last year, last budget year. 776 00:42:13,290 --> 00:42:15,630 The money hasn't gone into effect yet. 777 00:42:15,721 --> 00:42:15,945 We just- 778 00:42:16,005 --> 00:42:21,601 So we have $100,000 available in our fund balance that is not designated. 779 00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:27,840 That doesn't contemplate the $413,000. It does contemplate the 555 transfer. 780 00:42:30,420 --> 00:42:34,366 Well, then shame on us for not having included that when we looked at that 781 00:42:34,380 --> 00:42:39,721 resolution to do that amount. Maybe we go back and we look at what we actually have 782 00:42:39,810 --> 00:42:44,010 in fund balance and rethink that resolution and that percentage. 783 00:42:44,101 --> 00:42:49,980 If it's 125%, we had those expenses, we knew about it at the time, 784 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,695 and they weren't included when we reviewed those numbers. 785 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,840 We just have to have a plan to get us back to 125. 786 00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:55,800 That's right. 787 00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,585 It's not like we stop functioning. Right? 788 00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:04,919 And it's not like we need to create other problems. Right? 789 00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:08,700 We can create a long-term projection problem here for the police department if we 790 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,785 don't take care of this day one. This won't work come year 10 if we don't take care 791 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,340 of it on day one. That's the important piece of this. Right? 792 00:43:17,460 --> 00:43:21,915 Him not hiring the two officers for the first year is what's going to allow this 793 00:43:21,991 --> 00:43:24,570 thing to even get close to working for 10 years. 794 00:43:24,601 --> 00:43:27,601 You got to create that reserve to have a little bit there towards the end. 795 00:43:27,630 --> 00:43:31,741 And if we do drop below the 125, if those are the decisions that we spent money 796 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,610 that got us to that point, then we got to rely on Jason and this board to come back 797 00:43:35,625 --> 00:43:39,030 and say, "This is how we're going to get out of that space." And/or we acknowledge 798 00:43:39,060 --> 00:43:41,955 that that's the whole point of having a reserve fund is when unexpected things 799 00:43:42,060 --> 00:43:42,690 happen. 800 00:43:42,750 --> 00:43:42,855 Mm-hmm. 801 00:43:43,050 --> 00:43:44,010 That's what we use the money for. 802 00:43:44,205 --> 00:43:44,310 And we- 803 00:43:44,340 --> 00:43:45,480 Maybe that's part of the plan. 804 00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:51,241 We spent that 413 to save us a lot, a 805 00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:53,971 lot of money over the next 10 years. 806 00:43:54,210 --> 00:43:54,510 Yes. 807 00:43:54,601 --> 00:43:59,851 So if we had to spend a little bit now, that is going to allow us to get back above 808 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:04,290 the 125 without penalty. We know our fixed costs now in retirement. 809 00:44:04,530 --> 00:44:07,080 We didn't know that before. It kept getting worse. 810 00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:12,150 We kept throwing money at a problem, and it just wasn't... It was getting worse. 811 00:44:12,180 --> 00:44:16,440 And that 413 got us out of that. When we collect the Miller's money this December, 812 00:44:16,875 --> 00:44:22,440 December 2026, it is for operational year 2027. 26 and 27. 813 00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:28,440 26. Calendar year '27. It's for our budget that's '26 814 00:44:28,471 --> 00:44:31,860 through '27. It goes back. Okay. We collect money once a year. Yep. 815 00:44:32,250 --> 00:44:35,851 We collect it at the end of the year. Yep. It's for the calendar year of '27. 816 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:41,520 If we hire somebody in July, you got a seven-month buffer for that collection year. 817 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,991 Okay. Right. What do you mean? 818 00:44:46,380 --> 00:44:51,540 It's not a full year of getting ahead. His terminology wasn't correct. 819 00:44:52,170 --> 00:44:57,721 The money that we collect in December of '26 gets applied to the 820 00:44:57,735 --> 00:45:03,120 '26, '27 budget year. So if we were collecting $2 million, 821 00:45:03,721 --> 00:45:09,090 and in December, now it's $2.5 million, that budget had a 822 00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:15,090 $0.5 million increase. That's how that money works that we collect 823 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,590 in December. 824 00:45:16,650 --> 00:45:22,200 No, the money that comes in, in December is recollected 825 00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:26,129 the next December, which is halfway in our budget year. Mm-hmm. Your... 826 00:45:27,090 --> 00:45:29,835 I don't think you're calculating it. 827 00:45:29,835 --> 00:45:35,280 We base our budget off of the money we collect in December 828 00:45:35,971 --> 00:45:41,910 When we set up our budget for '26, '27, it was based off of what 829 00:45:41,971 --> 00:45:46,260 we say we're going to collect in our millage in December of '26. 830 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:51,270 You collect your last year, December 20, 35. What is that money used for? 831 00:45:51,945 --> 00:45:52,380 Last year. 832 00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:53,851 35, 36. 833 00:45:54,675 --> 00:45:54,675 35, 36. 834 00:45:54,721 --> 00:45:56,400 That's what funds us 35, 36. 835 00:45:56,550 --> 00:46:02,130 But the actual cash value of it only lasts through December of the next year, which 836 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,210 is halfway through our budget year. You're not getting it. 837 00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:11,730 So why does Michelle have got the new number, the December 26 collection, as our 838 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,035 property tax that year? 839 00:46:14,221 --> 00:46:15,690 What's that? 840 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:21,450 The eight that you have in front of you, that was in the thing, that is Michelle. 841 00:46:21,540 --> 00:46:25,741 I didn't touch that. The baseline one that's in there, she's got the property tax 842 00:46:25,830 --> 00:46:29,400 revenue as what's going to be collected December 26. 843 00:46:29,730 --> 00:46:30,045 The 4- 844 00:46:30,060 --> 00:46:32,235 For the '26 collection. Of course, that's the way it's going to show up in our 845 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,580 budget. I'm well aware of that. Well, how are we supposed to... 846 00:46:35,610 --> 00:46:38,565 Are we going to have two different lines or a calendar year? 847 00:46:38,580 --> 00:46:41,835 When we are talking about tax collection and that- 848 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:42,315 I know 849 00:46:42,420 --> 00:46:47,070 ... the hiring of the officers, it's not a full year ahead. 850 00:46:48,330 --> 00:46:52,110 It is. Then you're proving my point. 851 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:57,000 We're not going to have- So the budget then, if that was the case, should be 852 00:46:58,170 --> 00:47:03,300 whatever this difference is, half of that number. So we went from 3.5 to... 853 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:08,700 So the $1 million, that should only seen a $500,000 increase to our budget this 854 00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:10,770 year, and we're seeing $1 million increase. 855 00:47:11,940 --> 00:47:13,471 Well, we're on that. And I'm- 856 00:47:13,485 --> 00:47:15,539 This is how it's always done for budget purposes. 857 00:47:15,630 --> 00:47:20,805 Yes. What I'm going to suggest, and then I'm going to shut up because that's the 858 00:47:20,851 --> 00:47:24,721 only way I'm comfortable voting, is that I'm good with everything. 859 00:47:25,140 --> 00:47:27,721 Hire two new officers next July, fine. 860 00:47:30,570 --> 00:47:35,971 Where my hang-up is the 413,000. Why are we going to create our... 861 00:47:36,510 --> 00:47:41,280 Hiring the two new officers, running it out 10 years, I'm convinced that we're 862 00:47:41,310 --> 00:47:43,920 going to have a fund balance in the police. 863 00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:51,869 Why create a problem with our general fund money when this department's going to be 864 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,335 healthy? Why create a problem and not 865 00:47:56,700 --> 00:48:02,310 the remaining balance of the 487? Just retain that in our general fund. 866 00:48:02,370 --> 00:48:05,010 It's going to cover the MERS. Police is going to be fine. 867 00:48:05,070 --> 00:48:05,790 We don't have to 868 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:12,660 change anything in the spending, and police will still have a positive fund balance 869 00:48:12,690 --> 00:48:14,910 at the end, and they get their two new officers in July. 870 00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:19,351 That's where I'm most comfortable and the only thing I'm willing to vote for. 871 00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:21,360 So- 872 00:48:21,450 --> 00:48:23,160 And it sounds like I'm in the minority. 873 00:48:23,340 --> 00:48:24,540 I know, but if you look at C- 874 00:48:24,555 --> 00:48:24,616 No 875 00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:30,810 ... that contemplates not giving us the 487 that's already allocated 876 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,790 and charging us the 413 for the MERS. So that's what I think you're advocating for. 877 00:48:36,510 --> 00:48:37,110 What's that? 878 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,330 C is what I think you're advocating for. 879 00:48:39,405 --> 00:48:42,570 And that is such a razor-thin- 880 00:48:42,585 --> 00:48:48,449 No. You said, you guys, I'll use this wording, take the hit on not getting 881 00:48:48,464 --> 00:48:50,775 the 486 and paying the 413? 882 00:48:51,029 --> 00:48:51,840 Is that what you're saying? 883 00:48:51,930 --> 00:48:52,260 No. 884 00:48:52,289 --> 00:48:52,890 What are you saying? 885 00:48:53,310 --> 00:48:57,991 Don't transfer the 486 to the police. Keep that in the general fund. 886 00:48:58,020 --> 00:49:03,991 General fund will pay the 413. The general fund will be positive about $100,000 in 887 00:49:04,020 --> 00:49:08,835 the current budget year. So we don't have to put the policy into place to make 888 00:49:09,060 --> 00:49:11,535 whatever change is based on the policy going below 125. 889 00:49:11,610 --> 00:49:15,330 Please, D. I understand. I know that. I did contemplate that. 890 00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:16,875 It's D, I think, Chief. 891 00:49:16,875 --> 00:49:16,950 C. 892 00:49:18,030 --> 00:49:23,580 Well, no, D is getting the 487 because Mike's saying give the 487, but also police 893 00:49:23,610 --> 00:49:25,741 pay for MERS. Yes, that's D. That's D. 894 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,964 Yeah. Well, okay, transfer the 487 and have MERS... 895 00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:34,304 If police pay for the 413 and then they get 60 some thousand out of the general 896 00:49:34,380 --> 00:49:37,530 fund, or don't transfer the 487 and general fund pays the MERS. 897 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,030 So Mike, what are you- 898 00:49:39,075 --> 00:49:39,554 One or the other 899 00:49:39,601 --> 00:49:44,550 ... really saying? So we completely understand, because I'm totally confused here. 900 00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:51,150 You're saying that the 400 and what is it, 87,000, that has 901 00:49:51,180 --> 00:49:54,540 been committed to the general fund, or from the general fund to the police fund, 902 00:49:55,380 --> 00:50:00,870 that goes away, we take it back, and then out of that money, we pay the MERS 903 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:06,224 413. We don't hit police twice. Correct? 904 00:50:06,315 --> 00:50:06,315 Correct. 905 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:07,140 Is that what you're saying? 906 00:50:07,471 --> 00:50:13,380 Or transfer the 487 and have the police pay the 413, and they come out 907 00:50:13,620 --> 00:50:16,695 50,000, 60,000 ahead. They still get 50 or 60 out of the general fund. 908 00:50:16,695 --> 00:50:18,270 That's D, on the chart. 909 00:50:18,285 --> 00:50:18,285 Oh, okay. 910 00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:20,130 That's what letter D is. It's in delta. 911 00:50:21,930 --> 00:50:24,660 And that's what I'm saying. It's like a razor-thin. Yeah. 912 00:50:24,675 --> 00:50:26,700 Everything's under 100,000. Where I struggle- 913 00:50:27,090 --> 00:50:27,570 Wait a second. 914 00:50:27,690 --> 00:50:28,560 D is not. 915 00:50:29,130 --> 00:50:32,730 D, in year eight, you have a fund balance of $1.3 million. 916 00:50:32,851 --> 00:50:33,300 Yeah. 917 00:50:33,330 --> 00:50:34,110 And that's in year eight. 918 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,960 Is that what you're saying, D? Yeah. 919 00:50:37,290 --> 00:50:39,810 I don't know. Nick's telling me that. I haven't read through. 920 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:44,685 D is to give the lot- Give the 487 ... 487, and- And let them pay the 413 ... 921 00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:47,491 you pay, because that's what the MERS repayment is, yes. 922 00:50:48,210 --> 00:50:51,960 So you're paying the 413 and getting the 487. And getting the 487. 923 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:52,860 So you're essentially- 924 00:50:52,905 --> 00:50:53,175 So you're saying- 925 00:50:53,221 --> 00:50:54,991 You're paying for MERS and the 487 926 00:50:55,020 --> 00:50:55,575 ... you're getting the 487. 927 00:50:55,590 --> 00:50:57,150 That's what D is. That's what D is. Where- 928 00:50:57,660 --> 00:50:57,690 No 929 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,125 ... what I'm struggling with, I don't see the first general fund contribution of 930 00:51:01,170 --> 00:51:02,971 100,000. I'm sorry. The reason I... 931 00:51:03,330 --> 00:51:08,760 So, for D, the 413 is in other capital vehicle purchases, because I had to find a- 932 00:51:10,770 --> 00:51:11,491 A spot to put it 933 00:51:11,505 --> 00:51:14,430 ... I had to put a spot that was not compounding the numbers. 934 00:51:14,460 --> 00:51:14,971 So it's in there. 935 00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:16,981 So it's the 487 figure. 936 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:17,190 Okay. 937 00:51:17,221 --> 00:51:17,955 Because if you look at the- 938 00:51:17,985 --> 00:51:18,510 478. 939 00:51:18,735 --> 00:51:18,735 478. 940 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:20,625 Okay. All right. 941 00:51:20,625 --> 00:51:21,375 But that includes that 14,000. 942 00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:26,190 So in that scenario, in year eight, you're positive 1.3, and that's with hiring two 943 00:51:26,250 --> 00:51:26,670 officers. 944 00:51:26,910 --> 00:51:28,125 So where- 945 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:34,410 And then our general fund's fine. We don't have to put that policy into play. 946 00:51:34,425 --> 00:51:34,425 Action. 947 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:39,750 Where I guess I struggle is I think the 413 was a general fund 948 00:51:39,780 --> 00:51:44,160 decision to save this township. I truly still believe that. 949 00:51:44,310 --> 00:51:48,840 I think the 487 this year was a commitment we've made to them, and we've budgeted 950 00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:52,891 for it, we stick with that. The one I struggle with is the $100,000 a year 951 00:51:53,010 --> 00:51:58,231 commitment over the next 10 years or eight years, however, whatever we want to use- 952 00:51:58,680 --> 00:51:58,875 Well, no, indefinite 953 00:51:58,875 --> 00:52:03,300 ... is because I don't think we can speak on future boards. 954 00:52:04,169 --> 00:52:07,650 I think we can give intent. Because that would be kind of the rules. 955 00:52:08,820 --> 00:52:12,930 But I think that's the one that would have to be looked at somewhat on a yearly 956 00:52:13,020 --> 00:52:18,240 basis on what the budget can afford and not afford, personally. 957 00:52:20,370 --> 00:52:26,160 But other than that, I guess that's my one concern with the $100,000 958 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:26,445 one, 959 00:52:28,351 --> 00:52:32,055 for him to budget that, or for the police department to budget that every year, 960 00:52:32,550 --> 00:52:34,050 just assuming they're getting it. 961 00:52:34,590 --> 00:52:38,280 And maybe that can be the projection if we do it or we don't each given year. 962 00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:39,465 And- 963 00:52:40,050 --> 00:52:45,451 If you recall, I'm with you 100%, you're right on there, 964 00:52:46,050 --> 00:52:50,925 but we can talk about police contract negotiations because it's settled and it's a 965 00:52:50,940 --> 00:52:55,920 done deal. The police officers didn't want the 55. 966 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,090 They wanted age 50. 967 00:52:57,525 --> 00:52:57,525 Mm-hmm. 968 00:52:57,540 --> 00:52:58,740 This was a bargain thing. 969 00:52:58,770 --> 00:52:58,965 Mm-hmm. 970 00:52:59,101 --> 00:53:01,860 And it came at a cost and we paid that cost. 971 00:53:02,370 --> 00:53:07,545 This is 100% a police expense, except that you told them that it was so you could 972 00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:08,400 get fire on it. 973 00:53:09,330 --> 00:53:09,826 You could have left them at 50. 974 00:53:09,826 --> 00:53:14,550 It's a general fund expense. They asked for 50. 975 00:53:15,870 --> 00:53:18,555 25 to... No, but that's what they wanted. 976 00:53:18,555 --> 00:53:20,429 When you walked in here, didn't he tell... 977 00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,180 He told us that it was your master plan to get the MERS to fire. 978 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,260 And it was coming out literally two minutes into the walking in the board meeting. 979 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,610 August 6th, you informed me of this. I had no idea about this MERS payment. 980 00:53:33,090 --> 00:53:33,180 The 981 00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:39,630 millage committee had no idea when we were formulating plans to go for a millage. 982 00:53:40,530 --> 00:53:41,684 I guess that's my problem. 983 00:53:41,684 --> 00:53:43,680 Well, because it wasn't the plan. It wasn't the plan. 984 00:53:43,710 --> 00:53:44,520 It was not the plan. 985 00:53:44,550 --> 00:53:44,655 And 986 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:51,510 I'm sorry, and I really don't even want to say this, the only reason that we're 987 00:53:51,570 --> 00:53:55,800 even considering it now, that it comes out of the police fund, is because the 988 00:53:55,860 --> 00:53:58,351 millage passed. And that's not being fair. 989 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:03,721 That's not what they planned on, and that's not what we planned on. 990 00:54:03,780 --> 00:54:09,210 So we need to stick by what we committed to and not penalize the 991 00:54:09,930 --> 00:54:12,750 police department because the millage passed. That's not fair. 992 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,684 All right. So I'm going to renew my original suggestion. 993 00:54:18,451 --> 00:54:23,910 Given these four variables, we vote on them one by one, instead of saying, "Who's 994 00:54:23,940 --> 00:54:28,410 in favor of projection B? Who's in favor of projection C?" And goes doing it that 995 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,690 way. I just think it makes a lot more sense. 996 00:54:31,290 --> 00:54:33,420 If you lose the vote, you lose the vote. That's how these things work. 997 00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:38,851 Can we just make a motion on the issues that are before us instead of projections? 998 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:44,160 I'll make a motion that we continue to keep the MERS payment, 999 00:54:44,820 --> 00:54:45,780 413,000, 1000 00:54:47,101 --> 00:54:50,865 from the general fund, and that that expense not be transferred to the police fund 1001 00:54:51,696 --> 00:54:55,177 That's what I'm suggesting, take these issues one by one. 1002 00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:57,771 Yeah. The proposals were just for recent-- I mean, the- 1003 00:54:58,521 --> 00:54:58,521 Yeah 1004 00:54:58,521 --> 00:54:59,451 ... I wasn't looking for- 1005 00:54:59,527 --> 00:55:00,516 I have found very helpful- 1006 00:55:00,606 --> 00:55:01,087 ... every year 1007 00:55:01,116 --> 00:55:02,527 ... to compare the variables. 1008 00:55:02,557 --> 00:55:03,816 Yeah. That's all it was for. 1009 00:55:03,846 --> 00:55:04,311 May I say- 1010 00:55:04,311 --> 00:55:05,136 I like that idea. Just- 1011 00:55:05,736 --> 00:55:05,856 May I say- 1012 00:55:05,871 --> 00:55:06,996 Move we have a second. 1013 00:55:07,057 --> 00:55:07,536 I'll second. 1014 00:55:07,566 --> 00:55:12,036 All right. Second. Move by Harshby, seconded by Miller, that the MERS payment 1015 00:55:12,756 --> 00:55:17,195 remain a liability of the general fund and not the police. Is that correct? 1016 00:55:17,346 --> 00:55:17,645 Correct. 1017 00:55:17,736 --> 00:55:17,797 Okay. 1018 00:55:17,856 --> 00:55:19,087 Which is already done. 1019 00:55:20,226 --> 00:55:21,396 Okay. We need to clarify that. 1020 00:55:21,427 --> 00:55:22,297 We need to clarify that. 1021 00:55:23,076 --> 00:55:24,231 It is clarified. It's what's- 1022 00:55:24,396 --> 00:55:24,846 What about it? 1023 00:55:24,876 --> 00:55:27,411 It's what we did. I don't know what- 1024 00:55:27,486 --> 00:55:29,557 Well, then it doesn't hurt to pass a motion. 1025 00:55:29,677 --> 00:55:30,891 Exactly. 1026 00:55:30,891 --> 00:55:34,266 Because you said Michelle was tripping on how maybe it should... 1027 00:55:34,297 --> 00:55:34,641 You know what I mean? 1028 00:55:34,837 --> 00:55:35,721 Yeah. To motion by Harshby, seconded by Miller. 1029 00:55:35,721 --> 00:55:38,152 There's a lot of tripping going on, and I would like to get a bit of an answer. 1030 00:55:38,152 --> 00:55:40,175 We're going to vote. And Tricia, go ahead. 1031 00:55:43,057 --> 00:55:48,006 Maybe this is a little out of order, but back when the police department was 1032 00:55:48,036 --> 00:55:53,646 formed, I don't know what the budget in the general fund to pay for the police 1033 00:55:53,856 --> 00:55:59,557 was. But I would be surprised if any resident 1034 00:55:59,677 --> 00:56:00,307 today 1035 00:56:01,866 --> 00:56:06,006 understands that we have almost, 1036 00:56:07,476 --> 00:56:13,236 well, four and a half to six million dollars that it costs to have a police 1037 00:56:13,326 --> 00:56:16,416 fund. And they passed the millage 1038 00:56:17,856 --> 00:56:23,196 for the police. So, I don't know that we need to feel 1039 00:56:23,256 --> 00:56:28,596 beholden to contribute out of the general fund 1040 00:56:28,927 --> 00:56:34,851 anymore. You can decide to do that or not, but, I think that's holding on 1041 00:56:34,896 --> 00:56:40,611 to something that I don't think we were collecting 1042 00:56:40,686 --> 00:56:46,236 that much in property taxes back in that period. 1043 00:56:46,297 --> 00:56:47,736 Yeah. No, I agree. 1044 00:56:47,962 --> 00:56:48,922 And I had said to the chief- 1045 00:56:48,922 --> 00:56:50,376 To continue the contribution. 1046 00:56:50,527 --> 00:56:51,471 But I didn't make that motion. 1047 00:56:51,576 --> 00:56:52,116 Right. But that's- 1048 00:56:52,177 --> 00:56:52,536 I know 1049 00:56:52,552 --> 00:56:55,027 ... one issue at a time. Right now we're just looking at the MERS contribution. 1050 00:56:55,087 --> 00:56:55,206 Right. 1051 00:56:55,446 --> 00:57:00,922 Are you saying that we have already budgeted for the 413 from general fund? 1052 00:57:00,966 --> 00:57:01,566 Already paid. 1053 00:57:01,656 --> 00:57:02,346 It's already paid. 1054 00:57:02,376 --> 00:57:03,066 It's already paid. 1055 00:57:03,186 --> 00:57:05,976 Mm-hmm. The question is whether the police department is going to be obliged to 1056 00:57:06,036 --> 00:57:06,561 repay it. 1057 00:57:08,316 --> 00:57:10,432 Is that part of your motion, for timeliness? 1058 00:57:10,596 --> 00:57:11,091 It's included in the general fund. 1059 00:57:11,106 --> 00:57:11,841 It still stays in the general fund. 1060 00:57:11,916 --> 00:57:14,587 Is there any... Nope, your motion's saying no repayment or anything? 1061 00:57:14,736 --> 00:57:18,726 No. But that it comes from the general fund and from where it was intended. 1062 00:57:19,446 --> 00:57:20,886 The 413 was not- 1063 00:57:20,902 --> 00:57:21,337 The 413 1064 00:57:21,351 --> 00:57:26,076 ... in our budgeted expense that got posted in, as you say, July 1st. 1065 00:57:26,316 --> 00:57:26,527 Right. 1066 00:57:28,566 --> 00:57:31,746 Because that was supposed to be a last year expense that never happened. 1067 00:57:31,866 --> 00:57:36,936 Right. So does everybody understand the current motion under consideration? 1068 00:57:38,466 --> 00:57:39,516 Say it one more time. 1069 00:57:39,576 --> 00:57:41,106 You bet. Yeah, I'm going to say it one more time. 1070 00:57:42,636 --> 00:57:47,286 My motion is that the $413,000 1071 00:57:47,886 --> 00:57:53,256 MERS payment remain from the general fund and not be 1072 00:57:53,286 --> 00:57:58,686 transferred to the police fund, or the police fund be required to repay it. 1073 00:57:58,716 --> 00:57:59,527 That's my motion. 1074 00:58:00,756 --> 00:58:02,736 I would second that if somebody hasn't already. 1075 00:58:02,766 --> 00:58:03,156 It's, uh, been seconded. 1076 00:58:03,216 --> 00:58:04,506 Okay. It's already seconded. 1077 00:58:04,565 --> 00:58:04,911 Okay. Good. 1078 00:58:04,927 --> 00:58:08,736 Just for clarity, that's the only issue under consideration for this vote. 1079 00:58:12,066 --> 00:58:12,576 All in favor? 1080 00:58:12,621 --> 00:58:12,846 Vote, oh. 1081 00:58:13,087 --> 00:58:13,927 Nope, you want to vote. 1082 00:58:14,436 --> 00:58:16,506 No, I didn't know what you're done with comments. 1083 00:58:17,376 --> 00:58:17,677 Yes, comments. 1084 00:58:17,706 --> 00:58:18,696 I'm soliciting comments. 1085 00:58:18,726 --> 00:58:18,966 Okay. 1086 00:58:19,146 --> 00:58:20,106 You can say it now. 1087 00:58:21,126 --> 00:58:21,696 Yeah, so, 1088 00:58:23,616 --> 00:58:27,036 going back to the negotiations, this is something that the police wanted. 1089 00:58:27,096 --> 00:58:28,716 This is absolutely a police expense. 1090 00:58:29,616 --> 00:58:33,786 And to use my words against me here in a public meeting to try to make me look like 1091 00:58:33,816 --> 00:58:38,316 an a*s is not very appreciative. What you're not aware of is that comment was a 1092 00:58:38,346 --> 00:58:43,027 reflection of the words that was jokingly said to me from the fire 1093 00:58:43,686 --> 00:58:48,981 folks from their negotiation. So I don't appreciate that because you don't know all 1094 00:58:48,996 --> 00:58:49,986 the facts. 1095 00:58:50,076 --> 00:58:51,216 I know what was said. 1096 00:58:52,971 --> 00:58:54,846 And I know that I've... 1097 00:58:56,106 --> 00:58:56,376 All right. 1098 00:58:57,726 --> 00:58:59,286 Any other substantive discussion on this? 1099 00:59:00,786 --> 00:59:01,326 All in favor? 1100 00:59:01,956 --> 00:59:02,286 Aye. 1101 00:59:02,736 --> 00:59:04,506 Or aye, opposed? 1102 00:59:06,337 --> 00:59:06,696 Any opposed? 1103 00:59:06,726 --> 00:59:07,386 You guys got me. 1104 00:59:09,066 --> 00:59:11,766 Wow, you guys... All right. So that's the MERS. 1105 00:59:11,946 --> 00:59:17,166 Now, concomitant with this, I agree with Mike that, and with other sentiments that 1106 00:59:17,196 --> 00:59:19,476 have expressed, that because the millage passed, 1107 00:59:20,946 --> 00:59:26,136 and because the general fund is taking this $413,000 from MERS hit, I don't feel 1108 00:59:26,166 --> 00:59:31,416 obliged to continue the 487,645 transfer from the general fund to the police. 1109 00:59:32,076 --> 00:59:37,297 That's my general feeling on this, and I welcome other comments, disputes, 1110 00:59:37,356 --> 00:59:39,547 arguments, whatever. 1111 00:59:39,756 --> 00:59:43,986 I still feel like that was a commitment we made going into this. 1112 00:59:44,001 --> 00:59:44,001 It's committed. 1113 00:59:44,016 --> 00:59:45,337 We did. And it's well documented. 1114 00:59:45,590 --> 00:59:50,047 And we can... Well, I would argue that we can't look shortsighted year one. 1115 00:59:51,427 --> 00:59:55,177 We got to look at tenures. I've ran one of these on a tenure millage for an 1116 00:59:55,236 --> 01:00:01,191 organization, and that year one foundation is huge for the success of 1117 01:00:01,206 --> 01:00:06,456 that tenure millage. And we know every time we do this, we get ourselves into a 1118 01:00:06,547 --> 01:00:09,096 very tight position towards the end of that. 1119 01:00:10,057 --> 01:00:14,736 And, I just think that it should still be something that we do, we've committed to, 1120 01:00:15,156 --> 01:00:17,706 we budgeted for, um. 1121 01:00:18,756 --> 01:00:21,636 But if we decide 1122 01:00:23,916 --> 01:00:29,616 that the police are going to live on their millage, that gives 1123 01:00:29,736 --> 01:00:35,496 the township board the opportunity to decide each year as they 1124 01:00:35,557 --> 01:00:41,465 budget what their general fund looks like and whether they want to 1125 01:00:41,616 --> 01:00:42,277 contribute. 1126 01:00:43,896 --> 01:00:49,177 And I had said to the chief, and he disagreed with me, that if he gets to manage... 1127 01:00:49,506 --> 01:00:53,466 No, the point of the millage is he gets to manage that. 1128 01:00:54,006 --> 01:00:59,766 And property is going to go up at least 5% in assessment 1129 01:00:59,797 --> 01:01:01,672 every year at minimum, I believe. So- 1130 01:01:01,686 --> 01:01:03,096 And Hedley's going to prevent that. 1131 01:01:05,136 --> 01:01:10,386 So, that that is going to bring in a little more each year. 1132 01:01:13,266 --> 01:01:19,087 And I know you're worried about 10 years, but we may all be 1133 01:01:19,566 --> 01:01:20,271 cutting different- 1134 01:01:20,271 --> 01:01:21,755 Well, but we do this with every millage. 1135 01:01:22,865 --> 01:01:23,016 Right. 1136 01:01:23,076 --> 01:01:27,726 We're doing this because we're not planning out. I agree 100% with Nick. 1137 01:01:27,756 --> 01:01:29,466 Therefore, I'll make another motion. 1138 01:01:29,826 --> 01:01:32,466 And the motion is that the 470- 1139 01:01:32,886 --> 01:01:34,402 480. 487. What was it? 1140 01:01:34,416 --> 01:01:35,946 487- 1141 01:01:35,962 --> 01:01:36,636 645. 1142 01:01:37,206 --> 01:01:43,057 Thank you. That money remains where it is and does not get to be transferred 1143 01:01:43,087 --> 01:01:47,811 back out from the police budget to general fund or wherever the heck it's going to 1144 01:01:47,856 --> 01:01:50,436 go. That it remains there, we don't take it away. 1145 01:01:50,527 --> 01:01:54,816 We made a commitment, and it's going to help with our long-term projections, so it 1146 01:01:54,846 --> 01:01:57,936 needs to stay. That's my motion. It stays. 1147 01:01:59,436 --> 01:02:01,626 All right. Does anybody want to come second that? 1148 01:02:02,226 --> 01:02:02,976 I'll second. 1149 01:02:03,052 --> 01:02:05,106 All right. Again, move by Harshby, second by Miller. 1150 01:02:06,427 --> 01:02:09,696 I don't think that's prudent. I think that the police projections that we've 1151 01:02:09,726 --> 01:02:15,666 received indicate that B still provides a very healthy, balanced fund for the 1152 01:02:15,726 --> 01:02:20,946 police department, and that for us to eat the 413,000 MERS expense 1153 01:02:21,906 --> 01:02:24,816 and the passage of millage on the part of the voters 1154 01:02:26,106 --> 01:02:27,876 alleviates us of 1155 01:02:29,646 --> 01:02:34,191 the $487,000 contribution that we otherwise had intended to the end, would still 1156 01:02:34,236 --> 01:02:36,396 make if they need it, but they don't. 1157 01:02:36,427 --> 01:02:38,511 And our budget matters just as much as theirs does. 1158 01:02:39,066 --> 01:02:40,371 And Mike pointing out that 1159 01:02:41,587 --> 01:02:46,596 if we spend all this money, if we allocate it as well as eating the 413 from MERS, 1160 01:02:46,881 --> 01:02:50,256 that's going to put our reserves in jeopardy, and I'm not comfortable with that. 1161 01:02:50,677 --> 01:02:54,666 Okay, then the police department would be better off then, by that logic, would be 1162 01:02:54,696 --> 01:02:58,941 better off if we just charge them the 413,000, um- 1163 01:02:58,941 --> 01:02:59,932 My scenario, which was- 1164 01:03:00,126 --> 01:03:01,146 And kept the- 1165 01:03:01,402 --> 01:03:01,807 That's... Yeah. 1166 01:03:01,837 --> 01:03:02,091 Try to do it 1167 01:03:02,466 --> 01:03:04,191 ... they'd be further ahead that way than by- 1168 01:03:04,356 --> 01:03:05,571 67,000. Is that it? 1169 01:03:05,616 --> 01:03:06,501 7,000 net. Yep. 1170 01:03:06,576 --> 01:03:11,226 And I'd be fine with that, too. So I don't think the general fund should eat both. 1171 01:03:11,346 --> 01:03:15,172 The other option that we have is if we think we got too much money, we don't 1172 01:03:15,216 --> 01:03:16,837 collect the full millage. 1173 01:03:18,156 --> 01:03:22,071 So when we know we've got enough reserve, then we go to the voters that year, and 1174 01:03:22,116 --> 01:03:23,541 we decrease how much we collect from them. 1175 01:03:23,557 --> 01:03:25,236 Which we've done for the rough. We can do that. 1176 01:03:25,356 --> 01:03:30,456 So let's put us in that position so that we can go to our voters and say, "This 1177 01:03:30,516 --> 01:03:33,066 year we're not collecting it because we have enough reserve in place." 1178 01:03:33,396 --> 01:03:34,716 What are you talk-- For the police? 1179 01:03:34,956 --> 01:03:36,156 Yeah. I'm just saying, like- 1180 01:03:36,576 --> 01:03:38,406 But do you think we're going to be that far ahead? 1181 01:03:38,496 --> 01:03:42,846 I don't want to do it this year. But what I'm getting at is let's do this, let's 1182 01:03:42,876 --> 01:03:46,446 put them in a good spot, and if this board decides, you know what, they have too 1183 01:03:46,476 --> 01:03:50,557 much reserves, then we can go to voters and say, year nine, year 10, whatever it 1184 01:03:50,646 --> 01:03:50,811 is- 1185 01:03:50,946 --> 01:03:51,095 Do it with our budget 1186 01:03:51,126 --> 01:03:52,956 ... we're going to decrease what we collect from you. 1187 01:03:53,047 --> 01:03:55,663 How does that help our budget? Which we also need to be- 1188 01:03:55,753 --> 01:03:56,052 Yes 1189 01:03:56,172 --> 01:03:57,927 Okay, but- 1190 01:03:57,927 --> 01:03:59,277 But we are operating with our budget. 1191 01:03:59,442 --> 01:04:00,103 We just have to have- 1192 01:04:00,552 --> 01:04:01,288 And we're giving them $487,000 1193 01:04:02,532 --> 01:04:03,163 they don't need. 1194 01:04:03,177 --> 01:04:03,402 Well, yeah, but we- 1195 01:04:03,417 --> 01:04:04,347 We've already budgeted for that 1196 01:04:04,362 --> 01:04:05,321 ... we budgeted that. 1197 01:04:05,442 --> 01:04:05,996 I know we have. 1198 01:04:05,996 --> 01:04:07,633 We've given that to them and now because- 1199 01:04:07,812 --> 01:04:08,878 Now because we've given up the 413- 1200 01:04:08,878 --> 01:04:10,527 ... the millage tax, we're saying, "Ha, we're taking it back." 1201 01:04:10,633 --> 01:04:15,237 No, because we've also now we're paying for the 413, and that puts our general fund 1202 01:04:15,237 --> 01:04:15,237 short. 1203 01:04:15,253 --> 01:04:17,697 But that was the intent from the very beginning. 1204 01:04:17,922 --> 01:04:23,202 Just because we messed up and didn't remember that that was a general fund 1205 01:04:23,262 --> 01:04:28,932 contribution or condition or expense, now we have to go back because the police 1206 01:04:28,947 --> 01:04:33,567 millage passed, they've got the money, so let's take it from them. It's not right. 1207 01:04:33,642 --> 01:04:37,962 The whole point of the contribution from the general fund was to supplement the 1208 01:04:38,022 --> 01:04:39,402 hole in the police budget, but they need it. 1209 01:04:39,432 --> 01:04:39,762 Correct. 1210 01:04:39,792 --> 01:04:41,082 They don't need it now. 1211 01:04:42,312 --> 01:04:45,522 We're dealing with a different situation, and our general fund does. 1212 01:04:45,672 --> 01:04:50,383 I don't understand why you're standing on this principle of all of them when this 1213 01:04:50,397 --> 01:04:56,366 suggestion that has been made, that we just not give the 487,000 because it's not 1214 01:04:56,383 --> 01:04:58,992 necessary and because our budget needs it. 1215 01:04:59,052 --> 01:05:02,801 You're going to say that we're obliged to do it because we said we would do it. 1216 01:05:02,832 --> 01:05:05,922 Well, we were going to do it. If the millage hadn't passed, we were going to do it. 1217 01:05:05,982 --> 01:05:07,842 I know, but we don't need to. Budgets are fluid. 1218 01:05:10,302 --> 01:05:12,103 This is where the money is needed now. 1219 01:05:12,163 --> 01:05:13,407 I know, and it looks like they- 1220 01:05:13,407 --> 01:05:14,967 Project B still looks very healthy 1221 01:05:15,222 --> 01:05:18,222 ... and they're going to deficit spend this year then too if we do that. 1222 01:05:26,442 --> 01:05:27,253 Any other comments? 1223 01:05:30,282 --> 01:05:31,781 Well, when I look at this, 1224 01:05:33,732 --> 01:05:36,462 it shows that the 500 and... 1225 01:05:37,902 --> 01:05:43,722 Well, I don't know. But if we've said we're going to 1226 01:05:44,772 --> 01:05:45,253 give them 1227 01:05:46,633 --> 01:05:52,467 money for the budget year that we're in now, then I think that 1228 01:05:52,512 --> 01:05:56,623 lends some weight to following through on what 1229 01:05:57,913 --> 01:06:03,897 we said we were going to do. But I don't see it for fiscal year going 1230 01:06:03,972 --> 01:06:05,592 out to '27, '28. 1231 01:06:07,302 --> 01:06:07,317 So... 1232 01:06:07,362 --> 01:06:10,722 Yeah, so what we're talking about right now is just this fiscal year. 1233 01:06:11,547 --> 01:06:12,897 And then the future, I agree with you. 1234 01:06:12,942 --> 01:06:14,472 But this is '26. 1235 01:06:14,517 --> 01:06:17,052 '26, '27. Yeah, what we've already budgeted for. 1236 01:06:18,702 --> 01:06:24,462 Right. So that's why I say, I think that they get it for that, but I don't 1237 01:06:24,522 --> 01:06:27,147 feel obligated to keep doing it- 1238 01:06:27,163 --> 01:06:27,807 I would agree with you 1239 01:06:28,003 --> 01:06:29,052 ... in the next fiscal year. 1240 01:06:29,292 --> 01:06:29,397 We agree. 1241 01:06:29,397 --> 01:06:30,267 I agree with you on that. 1242 01:06:30,267 --> 01:06:30,942 I agree with you. 1243 01:06:30,972 --> 01:06:32,367 That's not being contemplated now. 1244 01:06:32,413 --> 01:06:32,592 Right. 1245 01:06:34,092 --> 01:06:39,402 Back when we had discussions on the 413, I've heard that the discussion was with 1246 01:06:39,462 --> 01:06:42,552 general fund. That is not correct, because I was in every discussion. 1247 01:06:43,032 --> 01:06:47,562 We never contemplated where it was going to come from, ever, until recently. 1248 01:06:48,432 --> 01:06:50,802 So don't say it was planned from the beginning- 1249 01:06:50,982 --> 01:06:51,237 But then why on July 1st- 1250 01:06:51,237 --> 01:06:51,851 ... out of general fund 1251 01:06:51,867 --> 01:06:54,657 ... why on July 1st did we do a budget amendment for it to come from? 1252 01:06:54,672 --> 01:06:56,472 We did a budget amendment in June, though. 1253 01:06:56,742 --> 01:06:57,853 All right. I'm sorry. June. 1254 01:07:03,492 --> 01:07:07,466 That was six months after that contract negotiation. 1255 01:07:07,542 --> 01:07:07,931 I'm saying- 1256 01:07:08,202 --> 01:07:08,276 Mm-hmm 1257 01:07:08,472 --> 01:07:11,202 ... back when we did this, it was never contemplated where it was coming from. 1258 01:07:14,353 --> 01:07:14,892 Discuss. 1259 01:07:17,022 --> 01:07:22,332 But it was always pitched as it's going to save the township 1260 01:07:23,292 --> 01:07:28,873 a lot of money, and I think that's saying this board felt that that was 1261 01:07:31,692 --> 01:07:32,456 something to do because we- 1262 01:07:32,532 --> 01:07:35,652 Savings from the MERS? We're going to save money on MERS 1263 01:07:37,003 --> 01:07:38,413 for the police and fire. 1264 01:07:38,442 --> 01:07:39,357 The whole point of the 450,000- 1265 01:07:39,402 --> 01:07:39,972 So where does that- 1266 01:07:40,017 --> 01:07:42,866 ... contribution to MERS was to save the township money in the long run. 1267 01:07:42,883 --> 01:07:44,652 Does that money come out of the general fund- 1268 01:07:44,802 --> 01:07:45,116 We have a- 1269 01:07:45,116 --> 01:07:48,432 ... or is that savings going to be for the police fund or the fire fund? 1270 01:07:48,748 --> 01:07:48,748 If- 1271 01:07:48,822 --> 01:07:54,042 So for the last five-ish years, the general fund has given, 1272 01:07:55,032 --> 01:07:58,992 what'd they give? They gave 1 million, 1.2 million to MERS- 1273 01:07:59,366 --> 01:07:59,366 Mm-hmm 1274 01:07:59,366 --> 01:08:03,192 ... over a four-year period or something like that. And then we just gave 400. 1275 01:08:03,253 --> 01:08:08,832 And so that first $1 million or whatever that we did to try to fix the MERS 1276 01:08:09,163 --> 01:08:13,003 unfunding came from where? We took that out of general fund. 1277 01:08:13,737 --> 01:08:13,797 Yeah. Because we didn't- 1278 01:08:13,797 --> 01:08:16,212 But where did the savings go? 1279 01:08:19,932 --> 01:08:20,593 When the MERS- 1280 01:08:21,103 --> 01:08:21,972 From the general fund. 1281 01:08:22,603 --> 01:08:28,512 We will. So the general fund has taken a $1.5 million plus hit to fund MERS 1282 01:08:28,527 --> 01:08:30,702 over the last five years. 1283 01:08:30,748 --> 01:08:30,748 Right. 1284 01:08:30,822 --> 01:08:36,552 So by paying this 413, that's including that 1.5 million, it's a rough number, I 1285 01:08:36,642 --> 01:08:41,532 don't have the exact number here, that's stopping us from having to do that again. 1286 01:08:41,593 --> 01:08:44,427 So the contributions that go into each officer's- 1287 01:08:45,012 --> 01:08:46,677 That comes out of- 1288 01:08:46,978 --> 01:08:47,008 ... comes from what? 1289 01:08:47,008 --> 01:08:47,876 ... the police or fire. 1290 01:08:48,012 --> 01:08:49,542 So they'll see those savings, not us. 1291 01:08:50,202 --> 01:08:52,663 No. So you're talking two different things. 1292 01:08:52,753 --> 01:08:52,887 Right. 1293 01:08:52,932 --> 01:08:57,417 We are funding what those officers and firefighters are not funding because we're 1294 01:08:57,552 --> 01:08:58,422 underfunding- 1295 01:08:58,437 --> 01:08:58,437 Right 1296 01:08:58,542 --> 01:09:03,402 ... the retirement. We have been trying to bring that retirement account up to 1297 01:09:03,432 --> 01:09:04,452 funded status- 1298 01:09:04,737 --> 01:09:04,737 Mm-hmm 1299 01:09:04,737 --> 01:09:05,847 ... out of general fund. 1300 01:09:05,982 --> 01:09:06,192 Mm-hmm. 1301 01:09:06,853 --> 01:09:12,432 So by making the change, we've set it so we're never going to be underfunded. 1302 01:09:12,508 --> 01:09:15,343 That is no longer the township's responsibility. 1303 01:09:15,387 --> 01:09:15,387 Right. 1304 01:09:15,402 --> 01:09:17,728 That is now on the officers and firefighters. 1305 01:09:17,758 --> 01:09:21,702 And if I'm hearing you correctly, that translates into a savings to the general 1306 01:09:21,792 --> 01:09:24,672 fund, which had been the fund we were taking the money out of before. 1307 01:09:24,702 --> 01:09:25,887 Yes, because that's where it came from. 1308 01:09:26,067 --> 01:09:27,312 Yeah. Because we no longer have to do that. 1309 01:09:27,327 --> 01:09:28,333 Yes. Thank you. 1310 01:09:28,857 --> 01:09:32,637 So the police and fire fund are funding their own retirements, but because they 1311 01:09:32,652 --> 01:09:36,552 were underfunding it, this board had made the decision to take that out of general 1312 01:09:36,612 --> 01:09:37,616 fund, right? 1313 01:09:37,873 --> 01:09:39,927 Mm-hmm. 1314 01:09:39,942 --> 01:09:40,212 And- 1315 01:09:40,242 --> 01:09:40,498 Another- 1316 01:09:40,557 --> 01:09:42,536 ... we've made adjustments to prevent that from happening again 1317 01:09:42,536 --> 01:09:47,712 ... I think part two of that is to remember that that $413 or whatever it 1318 01:09:47,833 --> 01:09:53,248 is, is because we signed a contract that 1319 01:09:53,383 --> 01:09:54,147 changed 1320 01:09:55,392 --> 01:10:01,332 the retirement plan that four people, or whatever it was, were in, and that's 1321 01:10:01,392 --> 01:10:02,712 our responsibility. 1322 01:10:04,302 --> 01:10:04,362 Yeah. 1323 01:10:04,392 --> 01:10:05,112 We wouldn't have 1324 01:10:06,432 --> 01:10:12,282 had to make that half a million dollar contribution if we had 1325 01:10:12,372 --> 01:10:17,968 been firm in the negotiations and saying, "No, it's this amount of 1326 01:10:18,012 --> 01:10:20,772 years that you work as a police officer." 1327 01:10:22,317 --> 01:10:22,331 Yeah. 1328 01:10:24,837 --> 01:10:24,837 Yep. 1329 01:10:25,032 --> 01:10:25,182 So- 1330 01:10:25,633 --> 01:10:30,072 Okay. Yeah. So the 487 is what you're discussing. 1331 01:10:30,312 --> 01:10:30,552 Yes. 1332 01:10:30,792 --> 01:10:34,843 Is it all or nothing? Because my only concern, I'm looking at B, which would be an 1333 01:10:34,932 --> 01:10:35,576 all or nothing- 1334 01:10:36,192 --> 01:10:36,207 Right 1335 01:10:36,207 --> 01:10:41,547 ... basically. Well, B would be we'd not paying back the 413 and or taking all 487 1336 01:10:41,652 --> 01:10:42,492 out. 1337 01:10:42,508 --> 01:10:42,508 Right. 1338 01:10:42,508 --> 01:10:48,133 Which I get, but I'm just looking, the operating shortfall, if everything's perfect 1339 01:10:48,222 --> 01:10:54,042 is first 27, 28, 50,000 to 92, 97. That to me in a 1340 01:10:54,057 --> 01:10:59,202 $4.6 million budget is razor thin if anything goes bad. 1341 01:10:59,353 --> 01:10:59,517 Mm-hmm. 1342 01:10:59,562 --> 01:11:04,407 That leaves... And you start hitting early on the overall fund balance. 1343 01:11:06,942 --> 01:11:11,742 My question is, if it's all or nothing, if we could get some money this fiscal year 1344 01:11:11,772 --> 01:11:15,942 out of the 487, whether it's 100,000, 200,000 general fund, I don't know where that 1345 01:11:16,002 --> 01:11:21,957 brings you with the 125, but at least get us going on the right step, where we're 1346 01:11:21,972 --> 01:11:26,892 ahead. Because like I said, I'm worried about what happens if the market crashes, 1347 01:11:26,952 --> 01:11:32,728 what if IT... That's razor thin operating positive, 50,000, 1348 01:11:32,772 --> 01:11:37,377 90,000 on a budget like that. So that's what I was asking. Is it all or nothing? 1349 01:11:38,232 --> 01:11:40,152 Maybe get it going. 1350 01:11:41,383 --> 01:11:43,572 Wait another six months to hire the two officers. 1351 01:11:46,662 --> 01:11:48,237 And that's still a choice that we can make- 1352 01:11:48,297 --> 01:11:48,297 Wait another what? 1353 01:11:48,297 --> 01:11:50,172 ... because we haven't decided when to start that. 1354 01:11:51,103 --> 01:11:52,527 This board can make that decision. 1355 01:11:52,542 --> 01:11:52,633 Yeah. 1356 01:11:52,692 --> 01:11:52,782 Sure. 1357 01:11:52,797 --> 01:11:53,622 We already discussed it. 1358 01:11:53,742 --> 01:11:57,702 Yeah. So 1359 01:11:59,652 --> 01:12:03,702 Rick, if I can ask you your projection B contemplates the hiring of two officers. 1360 01:12:04,272 --> 01:12:05,728 When? Where are we- 1361 01:12:05,742 --> 01:12:08,862 July 1st. These all contemplate July 1st. 1362 01:12:08,922 --> 01:12:12,987 Next year, the 27th. All right. Yeah, so I would like to get a full year in 1363 01:12:13,032 --> 01:12:18,192 collecting money to get us that cushion, because the last two millages, I've seen 1364 01:12:18,252 --> 01:12:22,137 it go south fast, both of them. The 09 millage, I got here in 11. 1365 01:12:22,722 --> 01:12:23,262 Oh, sure. 1366 01:12:23,322 --> 01:12:27,432 And then by 2017, the general fund kicked in a million dollars. 1367 01:12:27,492 --> 01:12:27,822 Same thing. 1368 01:12:27,867 --> 01:12:32,127 And the same thing this millage, by literally one year, 1.1 million, the last year 1369 01:12:32,142 --> 01:12:36,672 of that millage, and then this one, we got hundreds of thousands. 1370 01:12:36,718 --> 01:12:39,522 We're trying to contemplate- And doesn't it make sense, that cushion idea, does it 1371 01:12:39,612 --> 01:12:43,392 not make sense then to delay hiring both those police officers? 1372 01:12:44,112 --> 01:12:50,052 If you want the true one-year cushion, we would hire December of next year. 1373 01:12:54,012 --> 01:12:54,687 Or we just hire one. 1374 01:12:54,687 --> 01:12:55,992 When the money's realized. 1375 01:12:56,022 --> 01:12:57,522 Right, when the money's fully realized. 1376 01:12:58,422 --> 01:13:01,182 Or we just hire one and put off hiring the second one for a little bit. 1377 01:13:02,838 --> 01:13:05,868 Sure. But we have not discussed when these officers are going to be hired yet, and 1378 01:13:05,898 --> 01:13:06,978 we would have to approve that. 1379 01:13:07,038 --> 01:13:08,313 Yeah. I think that's all. 1380 01:13:10,098 --> 01:13:14,688 I think he's asking that all of these questions be answered today, I believe. 1381 01:13:15,228 --> 01:13:17,028 No, just what are we doing? 1382 01:13:17,508 --> 01:13:19,338 Well, yeah. 1383 01:13:20,418 --> 01:13:22,368 For sure, the 4/13- 1384 01:13:22,953 --> 01:13:22,953 The 20 1385 01:13:22,968 --> 01:13:27,257 ... we have an answer on. Now, the 4/87, I guess that's my problem, is we're trying 1386 01:13:27,288 --> 01:13:27,378 to 1387 01:13:29,268 --> 01:13:31,758 forecast out, but we don't know what the rules are. 1388 01:13:31,818 --> 01:13:31,998 Mm-hmm. 1389 01:13:32,058 --> 01:13:35,778 So, I guess, I don't have a problem if we want to sit down and say, "Hey, we're 1390 01:13:35,808 --> 01:13:40,623 going to do one July 1, and one December 1, or two December," but we don't have 1391 01:13:40,788 --> 01:13:43,188 rules to do that, is what I'm asking. 1392 01:13:49,428 --> 01:13:54,528 All right. So, we have a motion on the table that the general fund 1393 01:13:54,588 --> 01:14:00,438 continue with our budgeted $487,000 contribution to the police fund this 1394 01:14:00,618 --> 01:14:01,818 fiscal year. 1395 01:14:02,028 --> 01:14:03,408 To continue it? 1396 01:14:03,888 --> 01:14:05,418 Yeah. 1397 01:14:05,478 --> 01:14:05,748 Okay. 1398 01:14:05,808 --> 01:14:09,513 That's the motion, to make that contribution as stated. 1399 01:14:10,428 --> 01:14:13,533 Other permutations have been suggested, which I think can be discussed, but right 1400 01:14:13,549 --> 01:14:18,723 now, our only motion is whether or not we're going to pay the $487,000 as planned. 1401 01:14:20,598 --> 01:14:21,138 Is that correct? 1402 01:14:21,468 --> 01:14:21,918 Yes. 1403 01:14:22,023 --> 01:14:22,023 Yes. 1404 01:14:22,908 --> 01:14:24,198 All right. 1405 01:14:26,268 --> 01:14:27,303 Any more discussion or comment? 1406 01:14:29,508 --> 01:14:30,709 All right. All in favor? 1407 01:14:31,068 --> 01:14:31,398 Aye. 1408 01:14:32,808 --> 01:14:33,197 Aye. 1409 01:14:35,209 --> 01:14:35,598 Aye. 1410 01:14:39,018 --> 01:14:39,408 Let's go. 1411 01:14:39,424 --> 01:14:39,709 Opposed? 1412 01:14:40,068 --> 01:14:40,217 No. 1413 01:14:40,459 --> 01:14:40,967 No. 1414 01:14:41,508 --> 01:14:41,553 No. 1415 01:14:41,553 --> 01:14:41,643 No. 1416 01:14:42,318 --> 01:14:43,459 Okay. Motion fails. 1417 01:14:51,468 --> 01:14:55,038 As we just said, it certainly does not preclude any other sort of transfers we 1418 01:14:55,068 --> 01:14:55,428 might make. 1419 01:14:56,209 --> 01:14:56,448 Okay. 1420 01:14:56,748 --> 01:15:00,513 And I would certainly want to take a closer look and see what impact any proposed 1421 01:15:00,558 --> 01:15:02,223 transfer is going to have on the general fund's 1422 01:15:03,558 --> 01:15:07,174 balance. But I'm certainly not opposed to making some contribution if we think it's 1423 01:15:07,188 --> 01:15:10,938 necessary. And the hiring of the two officers, the timing of that is also in front 1424 01:15:10,968 --> 01:15:10,983 of us. 1425 01:15:11,028 --> 01:15:15,813 Well, that's the reason I voted no. I think we still should contribute something. 1426 01:15:16,788 --> 01:15:17,568 Okay. 1427 01:15:17,718 --> 01:15:22,938 And the timing of the hiring, one in July, one in December. 1428 01:15:23,028 --> 01:15:23,148 Yeah. 1429 01:15:23,388 --> 01:15:24,828 It'll be time to build some money up. 1430 01:15:27,049 --> 01:15:28,008 That's the way I look at it. 1431 01:15:28,068 --> 01:15:33,078 Right. And in terms of making sure that we have a sound fiscal cushion to move 1432 01:15:33,138 --> 01:15:33,468 forward, 1433 01:15:34,998 --> 01:15:39,093 I don't know that we need to decide right now when we're hiring those officers 1434 01:15:39,168 --> 01:15:42,438 unless we feel very strongly about it, but that seems to me to be squarely the sort 1435 01:15:42,618 --> 01:15:47,418 of variable that is within the chief's discretion, depending on the money he's got. 1436 01:15:47,508 --> 01:15:52,038 No, but what we're sending back to the chief is that 1437 01:15:54,168 --> 01:15:58,908 the $487,000 is coming out of his budget. 1438 01:15:59,658 --> 01:16:01,668 So he's going to be in a budget shortfall this year. 1439 01:16:01,713 --> 01:16:01,743 So he's going to be- 1440 01:16:01,743 --> 01:16:04,218 We just put him in a budget shortfall for this year. 1441 01:16:04,638 --> 01:16:06,393 Right. As things stand right now. 1442 01:16:06,408 --> 01:16:08,118 We did. Yeah, we did. 1443 01:16:08,148 --> 01:16:09,888 No, we didn't. 1444 01:16:09,948 --> 01:16:13,428 He's $462,000 short. 1445 01:16:14,418 --> 01:16:14,898 This motion- 1446 01:16:14,942 --> 01:16:15,288 Did you check that? 1447 01:16:15,303 --> 01:16:16,368 That didn't include the two officers though. 1448 01:16:16,383 --> 01:16:16,848 I've got to check it. 1449 01:16:16,907 --> 01:16:21,138 This motion changed nothing. If you want to really change it, we have to bring a 1450 01:16:21,198 --> 01:16:23,898 budget amendment back to vote on. We haven't done that. 1451 01:16:27,318 --> 01:16:28,068 Thank you, Mike. 1452 01:16:28,248 --> 01:16:29,448 Yeah, but he's still getting the money. 1453 01:16:29,628 --> 01:16:29,928 Thank you. 1454 01:16:29,943 --> 01:16:30,828 Another bite at the apple? 1455 01:16:31,578 --> 01:16:33,768 So, just got to make a more compelling case. 1456 01:16:34,098 --> 01:16:37,922 Okay, so we haven't accomplished anything with that motion. 1457 01:16:38,403 --> 01:16:38,403 No. 1458 01:16:38,448 --> 01:16:43,098 Because a budget amendment has to come before us in order for the general fund to 1459 01:16:43,158 --> 01:16:46,938 take back that money. I'm sorry, sir. You're right back where you started. 1460 01:16:47,118 --> 01:16:50,028 Well, at least we've got some direction now. Right? 1461 01:16:50,088 --> 01:16:53,928 We know not to bring forth budget amendments that aren't going to pass muster at 1462 01:16:53,959 --> 01:16:54,498 this table. 1463 01:17:00,318 --> 01:17:00,558 All right. 1464 01:17:01,728 --> 01:17:04,668 So I guess the money's still there until we do a budget amendment. 1465 01:17:04,758 --> 01:17:06,618 That's correct. 1466 01:17:06,738 --> 01:17:08,028 What about the 4/13? 1467 01:17:08,418 --> 01:17:10,308 No, 4/13, that's a done deal. 1468 01:17:10,428 --> 01:17:11,959 Sorry. 1469 01:17:14,598 --> 01:17:15,588 So what did we vote on? 1470 01:17:17,088 --> 01:17:18,288 I don't... 1471 01:17:18,348 --> 01:17:18,709 Yeah, let's figure the money out. 1472 01:17:18,738 --> 01:17:21,468 If that wasn't a budget amendment, what was the vote? 1473 01:17:22,758 --> 01:17:23,313 The vote was- 1474 01:17:23,313 --> 01:17:24,648 It was more just for direction 1475 01:17:24,663 --> 01:17:30,138 ... the vote was to continue the transfer of $487,000- 1476 01:17:30,198 --> 01:17:30,438 Yeah 1477 01:17:30,453 --> 01:17:32,058 ... from the general fund to the police department. 1478 01:17:32,088 --> 01:17:34,592 We said no to that. Isn't that a budget amendment? 1479 01:17:34,592 --> 01:17:36,738 I thought it was for a year. 1480 01:17:36,768 --> 01:17:37,338 What is that? 1481 01:17:37,488 --> 01:17:42,049 No, no. A budget amendment, you have to show also the bottom lines of the effect on 1482 01:17:42,078 --> 01:17:43,158 the department's budget. 1483 01:17:43,218 --> 01:17:47,418 But we just said we are not doing that. Correct? 1484 01:17:48,168 --> 01:17:49,233 No, the motion was to- 1485 01:17:49,848 --> 01:17:51,078 Was to not continue 1486 01:17:51,138 --> 01:17:53,628 ... we did. The question is, does that count as a budget amendment even though it 1487 01:17:53,658 --> 01:17:54,783 wasn't stricken as such? 1488 01:17:56,058 --> 01:18:00,288 We're playing semantics at work here, folks. I don't want to play games, man. 1489 01:18:00,978 --> 01:18:02,643 We just said we're- 1490 01:18:02,793 --> 01:18:04,668 I don't want to play games either. I want to do it the right way. 1491 01:18:05,028 --> 01:18:10,158 Again, we just told the chief we are not transferring 1492 01:18:10,218 --> 01:18:16,084 $487,645 into his budget. We are not 1493 01:18:16,128 --> 01:18:18,288 doing that this year, and we just voted on that. 1494 01:18:19,518 --> 01:18:21,049 And my follow-up statement was- 1495 01:18:21,063 --> 01:18:21,334 But this is how we do a budget amendment 1496 01:18:21,334 --> 01:18:23,868 ... is that we still have to bring a budget amendment back to make it official. 1497 01:18:23,959 --> 01:18:26,118 And we can reargue this whole thing over again. 1498 01:18:26,178 --> 01:18:28,308 Every time we vote on something, we still have to make 1499 01:18:29,748 --> 01:18:29,823 it official. 1500 01:18:29,823 --> 01:18:30,978 And we can still add something to it. 1501 01:18:31,128 --> 01:18:32,538 So, 1502 01:18:34,788 --> 01:18:36,378 as I said, and as Mike just 1503 01:18:37,578 --> 01:18:43,488 articulated in a parallel way, I want to see the effect on our general fund budget 1504 01:18:43,518 --> 01:18:47,403 now and play with some numbers and see if maybe some contribution to the police 1505 01:18:47,448 --> 01:18:48,512 fund is going to be appropriate. 1506 01:18:48,543 --> 01:18:53,643 If asked, I could have brought the variables, the different budget amendments to 1507 01:18:53,688 --> 01:18:57,858 this board meeting, if that's what anybody wanted to contemplate, and we could have 1508 01:18:57,888 --> 01:18:58,788 made it efficient. 1509 01:19:01,488 --> 01:19:06,888 I just think it's interesting how not that many moons ago, 1510 01:19:08,448 --> 01:19:13,593 there was some expression that we had such an enormous amount in the general fund- 1511 01:19:14,328 --> 01:19:14,523 We do 1512 01:19:14,988 --> 01:19:15,334 ... that 1513 01:19:17,418 --> 01:19:21,018 we should start doing things for people. 1514 01:19:21,078 --> 01:19:23,928 But now we sort of aren't so sure about that. 1515 01:19:25,428 --> 01:19:29,748 We got north of 125% of our annual expenditures. 1516 01:19:30,377 --> 01:19:34,698 That is extremely healthy. Extremely. 1517 01:19:34,787 --> 01:19:38,088 But we set the rule to make sure that we have a good fund balance. 1518 01:19:38,988 --> 01:19:44,223 That 125 rule, before we had that rule, you would have said that number is high, 1519 01:19:44,299 --> 01:19:46,038 but we set the rule at 125. 1520 01:19:46,908 --> 01:19:48,723 Right. Which I think is high. I would argue for 100. 1521 01:19:48,768 --> 01:19:51,558 But we don't stop it at 125. 1522 01:19:51,648 --> 01:19:52,533 Well, we could drop it down. 1523 01:19:52,533 --> 01:19:52,533 We allow it to- 1524 01:19:52,533 --> 01:19:52,758 Or introduce it. 1525 01:19:53,238 --> 01:19:53,778 We allow- 1526 01:19:53,898 --> 01:19:55,818 What was it before? Was it higher? 1527 01:19:56,748 --> 01:19:57,709 No, we didn't have one. 1528 01:19:58,338 --> 01:19:59,087 We didn't have it. We didn't have it. 1529 01:19:59,928 --> 01:20:05,268 And we allow it to drop to 100% without any penalties, without any repercussions. 1530 01:20:05,748 --> 01:20:10,788 We just say if it gets below 125, the supervisor has to bring a plan that says over 1531 01:20:10,848 --> 01:20:13,158 the next four years, we are going to fix this, this way. 1532 01:20:13,248 --> 01:20:16,863 Mm-hmm. Which might be part of what we do, but I want to see where we are. 1533 01:20:17,073 --> 01:20:19,323 It first says, "Don't go below 125." 1534 01:20:19,398 --> 01:20:19,518 Right. 1535 01:20:19,608 --> 01:20:20,433 If it happens- 1536 01:20:20,628 --> 01:20:20,928 Yes 1537 01:20:21,049 --> 01:20:23,268 ... but we're ignoring the don't do it. 1538 01:20:25,728 --> 01:20:25,938 All right. 1539 01:20:26,568 --> 01:20:28,188 We still can contribute something- 1540 01:20:28,218 --> 01:20:28,563 Something 1541 01:20:28,758 --> 01:20:29,448 ... to this fund. 1542 01:20:29,538 --> 01:20:35,118 We set that 125 not including the existing committed 1543 01:20:35,178 --> 01:20:40,908 expenditures that we have. And so we made a decision to do that 125 1544 01:20:40,968 --> 01:20:41,538 based on 1545 01:20:42,978 --> 01:20:46,308 not including that information. 1546 01:20:49,908 --> 01:20:55,668 If you take that we didn't have a police millage and a fire 1547 01:20:55,728 --> 01:20:57,948 millage, it was just a general fund- 1548 01:20:59,238 --> 01:20:59,253 Yeah 1549 01:20:59,253 --> 01:21:05,178 ... I think the point of having a reserve is that you are going to dip into 1550 01:21:05,238 --> 01:21:11,193 it and be below what you have because you've run into a rough time, and you have 1551 01:21:11,299 --> 01:21:11,358 to- 1552 01:21:12,408 --> 01:21:12,723 That's right 1553 01:21:12,723 --> 01:21:17,148 ... file a plan into the future how you're going to get out of that. 1554 01:21:17,178 --> 01:21:17,433 I know. 1555 01:21:17,508 --> 01:21:17,778 So... 1556 01:21:20,928 --> 01:21:24,138 I don't think we're in a place that's rough yet. Don't need to dip into it yet. 1557 01:21:24,528 --> 01:21:27,588 No, but we still might be in danger of violating our stated policy. 1558 01:21:27,678 --> 01:21:28,427 No, that's what I mean. 1559 01:21:28,578 --> 01:21:28,743 Just like I said. 1560 01:21:28,758 --> 01:21:29,808 I think we need to dip into it. 1561 01:21:29,838 --> 01:21:32,718 Right. And if we need to change the policy, we will. 1562 01:21:32,748 --> 01:21:34,368 But that's something to figure out. 1563 01:21:35,209 --> 01:21:37,998 Oh, I just have a hockey game to go referee. 1564 01:21:38,043 --> 01:21:38,043 Oh, okay. 1565 01:21:38,388 --> 01:21:42,903 And I guess my only last comment would be is the board still doesn't get it as far 1566 01:21:42,948 --> 01:21:47,688 as staffing, because we've been arguing that we're short-staffed for 15 years, and 1567 01:21:47,703 --> 01:21:52,488 now we've been told, "Well, maybe next December we'll okay it." So that's my 1568 01:21:52,818 --> 01:21:53,148 comment 1569 01:21:54,438 --> 01:21:57,198 on that. Thank you. 1570 01:21:58,158 --> 01:21:59,418 Thank you. 1571 01:22:07,866 --> 01:22:13,746 This is a very topic that I think work studies were created for, when 1572 01:22:13,807 --> 01:22:17,961 we contemplated creating work studies, and why we're doing it this way in the 1573 01:22:18,006 --> 01:22:18,606 moment. 1574 01:22:18,666 --> 01:22:19,566 Yes. 1575 01:22:19,686 --> 01:22:20,825 This should've been work study. 1576 01:22:21,426 --> 01:22:24,096 Well, except we intended to take action. 1577 01:22:24,186 --> 01:22:26,466 Oh, boy. Look, who intended? 1578 01:22:27,307 --> 01:22:28,626 There was too much discussion today. 1579 01:22:28,641 --> 01:22:31,131 He asked us to take action because he needs direction before he presents to the 1580 01:22:31,147 --> 01:22:33,276 client. He needs to figure out what he's working with. 1581 01:22:33,307 --> 01:22:36,006 It wasn't an unreasonable request for him to ask the board for direction. 1582 01:22:36,096 --> 01:22:37,116 We didn't give it to him. 1583 01:22:37,176 --> 01:22:37,911 You didn't give it to him? 1584 01:22:37,926 --> 01:22:39,096 No, we didn't give it to him. 1585 01:22:39,156 --> 01:22:42,186 No, but the intent was, which is why it's in a board meeting, not a work study 1586 01:22:42,307 --> 01:22:42,966 session. 1587 01:22:46,026 --> 01:22:47,466 Right. 1588 01:22:47,496 --> 01:22:47,511 That's my point. 1589 01:22:47,511 --> 01:22:50,016 The direction is clear out of work studies. 1590 01:22:51,307 --> 01:22:56,855 We changed the purchase policy based on a nod from the board, not even a vote. 1591 01:23:00,936 --> 01:23:03,006 All right. I believe that concludes our agenda. 1592 01:23:04,026 --> 01:23:08,226 There's nobody in the general public to say anything, so board comments. 1593 01:23:10,656 --> 01:23:11,406 I have a comment. 1594 01:23:12,546 --> 01:23:12,561 Okay. 1595 01:23:12,606 --> 01:23:16,746 With regards to the recent river cleanup, I just want to say thank you. 1596 01:23:17,376 --> 01:23:22,716 Number one, to Freedom River, and number two, to Mike Dolan for stepping up and 1597 01:23:25,057 --> 01:23:29,856 doing what he did. He was a tremendous help. 1598 01:23:30,126 --> 01:23:30,336 Yes. 1599 01:23:30,516 --> 01:23:34,326 So Mike, I want you to understand that it does not go unrecognized. 1600 01:23:34,356 --> 01:23:34,956 I appreciate that. 1601 01:23:34,986 --> 01:23:37,536 People appreciate what he did. Thank you. 1602 01:23:37,686 --> 01:23:39,816 I volunteered for it, to do it. 1603 01:23:40,026 --> 01:23:40,130 Mm-hmm. 1604 01:23:40,236 --> 01:23:42,921 I was happy to do it. My wife did not volunteer. 1605 01:23:42,966 --> 01:23:45,906 I volunteered her, so I passed that on to her. 1606 01:23:46,116 --> 01:23:46,671 Well, tell her thank you. 1607 01:23:46,671 --> 01:23:47,496 Well, it's really his help. 1608 01:23:48,246 --> 01:23:49,147 No, the real thanks. 1609 01:23:49,326 --> 01:23:50,721 Because she did a lot as well. 1610 01:23:50,766 --> 01:23:55,701 We were in a position, and Freedom River was in a position, where we needed some 1611 01:23:55,716 --> 01:23:58,296 commitment and some help, and Mike stepped up and made it happen. 1612 01:23:58,386 --> 01:23:59,826 So just thank you, Mike, for that. 1613 01:23:59,856 --> 01:24:00,786 We did both. 1614 01:24:00,876 --> 01:24:02,286 Good. 1615 01:24:03,606 --> 01:24:08,196 The subs were good, and the paint selection was perfect for that. 1616 01:24:10,536 --> 01:24:10,897 All right. 1617 01:24:10,986 --> 01:24:11,436 I'm 1618 01:24:12,816 --> 01:24:14,346 not happy the way this worked anywhere. 1619 01:24:16,206 --> 01:24:16,836 It was horrible. 1620 01:24:18,756 --> 01:24:21,366 I think we should've had an executive session. 1621 01:24:21,397 --> 01:24:23,136 We're responsible for running the township. 1622 01:24:23,226 --> 01:24:27,936 That's what the book says, that all day-to-day operations is the responsibility of 1623 01:24:28,026 --> 01:24:33,951 us three. We should've had these meetings with the chief long before this rolled 1624 01:24:33,966 --> 01:24:34,596 out this way. 1625 01:24:40,026 --> 01:24:41,091 It was last minute and 1626 01:24:42,666 --> 01:24:43,866 confusing at times. 1627 01:24:45,486 --> 01:24:46,716 It didn't need to be that way. 1628 01:24:49,791 --> 01:24:50,616 Okay. Any other board comments? 1629 01:24:52,746 --> 01:24:53,811 All right. Adjourned. 1630 01:24:54,246 --> 01:24:54,951 Move to adjourn. 1631 01:24:57,036 --> 01:24:57,366 Second. 1632 01:24:58,626 --> 01:25:01,566 Move by Neyzi, second by Harshby to adjourn. All in favor? 1633 01:25:01,956 --> 01:25:03,126 Aye. 1634 01:25:04,236 --> 01:25:05,436 All right. Thank you, everyone. 1635 01:25:05,916 --> 01:25:06,397 Go in. 1636 01:25:06,966 --> 01:25:07,522 I don't think that's-