1 00:00:28,940 --> 00:00:31,500 Appreciate the patience of the lady at the back who's 2 00:00:31,500 --> 00:00:34,180 been working for the past hour. To try and sort 3 00:00:34,180 --> 00:00:40,376 out our streaming and recording. She could end up being 4 00:00:40,376 --> 00:00:42,296 a member of the month for July at the rate 5 00:00:42,296 --> 00:00:46,784 we're going? Okay. Thank you all. Okay. 6 00:00:53,838 --> 00:00:56,558 I will now rise and report to the open session 7 00:00:56,558 --> 00:01:00,238 the results of the closed session. The board approved its 8 00:01:00,238 --> 00:01:04,718 closed minutes of June 27 meeting and dealt with confidential 9 00:01:04,718 --> 00:01:09,518 items under section 44, two of the Community Safety and 10 00:01:09,518 --> 00:01:14,742 Policing Act. May I please have a mover and a 11 00:01:14,742 --> 00:01:20,452 second to receive the report back? Member minutes, please. All 12 00:01:20,452 --> 00:01:26,062 in favor? Thank you. We will now go back to 13 00:01:26,062 --> 00:01:33,793 open session. And do it this way around, so. We're 14 00:01:33,793 --> 00:01:36,593 beginning with calls. Good afternoon, Kirsten. Can you please confirm 15 00:01:36,593 --> 00:01:40,656 that we have quorum? Through you, Mr. Chair. We do 16 00:01:40,656 --> 00:01:44,523 have quorum. As you all in the room know, we've 17 00:01:44,523 --> 00:01:53,357 had some. Technological difficulties. We think we are both live 18 00:01:53,357 --> 00:01:57,356 streaming and. Recording. It is possible that we're only recording. 19 00:01:57,356 --> 00:02:00,836 So do the members of public out there. Thank you 20 00:02:00,836 --> 00:02:05,228 for your patient with patience with us. Even if it 21 00:02:05,228 --> 00:02:08,548 didn't livestream, we will have it up and running as 22 00:02:08,548 --> 00:02:13,879 soon as possible. Approval of the agenda. Kirsten, are there 23 00:02:13,879 --> 00:02:21,527 any changes to the agenda? Through you, Mr. Chair. There 24 00:02:21,527 --> 00:02:27,617 are a few changes to the agenda. We have. Public. 25 00:02:28,872 --> 00:02:35,071 Consent item 8.1. That report was revised with an added 26 00:02:35,071 --> 00:02:40,353 item C. We have. Public correspondence, item 8.9, which has 27 00:02:40,353 --> 00:02:44,273 been added, which is correspondence from chief Bergen regarding an 28 00:02:44,273 --> 00:02:48,753 update on efforts to address gun violence in Hamilton. And 29 00:02:48,753 --> 00:02:52,639 then finally, we have an added item. On our closed 30 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:58,394 agenda, a consent item 3.13. And that qualifies as being 31 00:02:58,394 --> 00:03:01,354 a closed item based on section 44, one and two 32 00:03:01,354 --> 00:03:06,322 of the CSPA. Thank you. Do we have a mover? 33 00:03:06,322 --> 00:03:15,856 In a second for the agenda. One, two. Thank you. 34 00:03:15,856 --> 00:03:20,093 Discussion on the agenda. Go ahead. There is one item. 35 00:03:24,241 --> 00:03:27,793 From. Last public board meeting that I did not get 36 00:03:27,793 --> 00:03:30,673 a chance to speak to, and I kindly asked permission 37 00:03:30,673 --> 00:03:36,072 to. Seek clarifying question and speak to that agenda item 38 00:03:36,072 --> 00:03:40,952 about the reporting back from the policy recommendations. That emerge 39 00:03:40,952 --> 00:03:46,748 from the special budget meetings in February. We'll do that 40 00:03:46,748 --> 00:03:48,148 at the end, or we can do it at the 41 00:03:48,148 --> 00:03:50,868 end of the chief's report. Whichever you. It's the one 42 00:03:50,868 --> 00:03:52,948 part we weren't able to. Do last year, but the 43 00:03:52,948 --> 00:03:55,708 chief had the answers ready. I believe so. We'll do 44 00:03:55,708 --> 00:03:59,268 that. Okay. Can I have a vote? All those in 45 00:03:59,268 --> 00:04:05,991 favor? The agenda is carried. Declarations of conflicts of interest. 46 00:04:07,546 --> 00:04:12,247 Are there any declarations of conflict of interest? Seeing none. 47 00:04:12,247 --> 00:04:16,647 We'll move on. Delegation is presentations and verbal updates. There 48 00:04:16,647 --> 00:04:22,199 are no delegations. This month. Members of the month. Chief. 49 00:04:22,199 --> 00:04:23,639 Thank you very much. And through the chair, I'd like 50 00:04:23,639 --> 00:04:27,439 to call upon Inspector Carolyn Rashford for member of the 51 00:04:27,439 --> 00:04:31,431 month. Through your chair. The member of the Montreal Montez, 52 00:04:31,431 --> 00:04:35,191 Councillor James Dominsky. Unfortunately, he's. Unable to attend, so we 53 00:04:35,191 --> 00:04:39,354 will defer this presentation until the next board meeting. I 54 00:04:39,354 --> 00:04:40,794 would like to highlight a project that run out of 55 00:04:40,794 --> 00:04:44,314 Division Two. The commanders of the division are superintendent stellar 56 00:04:44,314 --> 00:04:49,424 and Inspector Dor. Project, take Back 2.0, was championed by 57 00:04:49,424 --> 00:04:52,984 Councillor Chris McGregor and Councillor Mike Musanovich. But I was 58 00:04:52,984 --> 00:04:56,517 adopted by the whole division. I'll point out that this 59 00:04:56,517 --> 00:04:59,637 is the second iteration of the project. The original project 60 00:04:59,637 --> 00:05:02,677 was equally successful and won the John Peds Problem Oriented 61 00:05:02,677 --> 00:05:07,144 Policing award in 2023. The project was focused on fighting 62 00:05:07,144 --> 00:05:10,504 the ongoing stolen vehicle issue in the city of Hamilton. 63 00:05:10,504 --> 00:05:13,664 Highlights from the project include, but are not limited to, 64 00:05:13,664 --> 00:05:19,427 31 arrests, which led to 145 charges. 60 recovered vehicles 65 00:05:19,427 --> 00:05:25,523 for total recovered value of 1,599,500. One firearm that was 66 00:05:25,523 --> 00:05:30,463 seized, 50 failed to comply. Charges were laid. 17 operation. 67 00:05:30,463 --> 00:05:34,303 While prohibited, charges were laid. Eleven firearm charges and three 68 00:05:34,303 --> 00:05:37,343 dangerous operation of motor vehicle charges. And that's it, sir. 69 00:05:37,343 --> 00:05:42,234 Thank you. Thank you, Inspector. The board chair's verbal update 70 00:05:42,234 --> 00:05:50,693 will be short. We're in for a busy fall. 71 00:05:52,658 --> 00:05:56,960 We're coming into budget season. We're now in the middle 72 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,880 of summer and will not meet again till the end 73 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,732 of September. In the meantime, we have two committees that. 74 00:06:05,510 --> 00:06:09,510 Are shorthanded and they're moving ahead as best they can. 75 00:06:09,510 --> 00:06:12,470 So we're forced to prioritize. So it's fairly obvious that 76 00:06:12,470 --> 00:06:14,350 when we come to the budget, committee. We know what 77 00:06:14,350 --> 00:06:18,963 the priority is. It's the 2025 budget. It's an ongoing 78 00:06:18,963 --> 00:06:23,724 process. You will note. In our policies. It is actually 79 00:06:23,724 --> 00:06:28,404 the only policy that actually from the solicitor general requires 80 00:06:28,404 --> 00:06:33,027 the board and the service. To do a joint. Operating 81 00:06:33,027 --> 00:06:37,817 budget plan. So that process is underway. The first meeting 82 00:06:37,817 --> 00:06:43,199 took place. We're getting better at getting people engaged. The 83 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:46,479 governance committee is still a little shorthanded, but we can 84 00:06:46,479 --> 00:06:49,399 always pull together to do things. We've highlighted a few 85 00:06:49,399 --> 00:06:52,353 things that are going to happen today. And they've already 86 00:06:52,353 --> 00:06:55,833 been dealt with before, but they're not going away, so 87 00:06:55,833 --> 00:06:57,673 we're going to kind of work on the things that 88 00:06:57,673 --> 00:06:59,433 get us through to the rest of the year for 89 00:06:59,433 --> 00:07:02,393 now and that are directly related to the coming into 90 00:07:02,393 --> 00:07:05,313 force of the new act. There's still lots of work 91 00:07:05,313 --> 00:07:08,378 to be done on that, so please. Bear with us 92 00:07:08,378 --> 00:07:10,738 as we move forward. That's all I have. Thank you. 93 00:07:12,055 --> 00:07:16,375 Chief. May I please have a mover and a secondary 94 00:07:16,375 --> 00:07:23,061 to receive the chair's update? All in favor? Thank you. 95 00:07:23,061 --> 00:07:26,021 Chief, your update, please. Thank you very much. And through 96 00:07:26,021 --> 00:07:29,461 the chair, I want to address the ongoing concerns regarding 97 00:07:29,461 --> 00:07:32,341 the recent rise in gun related crimes in our city 98 00:07:32,341 --> 00:07:35,021 and provide an update on the actions being taken by 99 00:07:35,021 --> 00:07:38,981 the Hamilton Police Service to address this critical issue. Please 100 00:07:38,981 --> 00:07:42,960 be assured. That the Hamilton Police Service is fully aware 101 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,960 of the gravity of the situation and is actively working. 102 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,120 To combat gun violence, we've recently made our dedicated shooting 103 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,560 response team a permanent fixture within our service. This team 104 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,720 is specifically trained and equipped to respond swiftly and effectively 105 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,925 to our incidents involving firearms. Their presence has already made 106 00:08:01,925 --> 00:08:04,965 a significant impact, and we are confident that the continued 107 00:08:04,965 --> 00:08:09,485 efforts will contribute. To reducing gun related crimes. In Hamilton. 108 00:08:09,485 --> 00:08:12,205 Last week, our efforts led to the successful seizure of 109 00:08:12,205 --> 00:08:17,445 multiple firearms on the Hamilton Mountain. This investigated investigation highlights 110 00:08:17,445 --> 00:08:19,965 the dedication and hard work of our officers in making. 111 00:08:20,910 --> 00:08:24,470 Our streets safer yesterday we received a call from a 112 00:08:24,470 --> 00:08:28,270 concerned community member about an erratic driver on Upper James 113 00:08:28,270 --> 00:08:32,350 street. This individual reported a vehicle speeding and repeatedly crossing 114 00:08:32,350 --> 00:08:36,030 into oncoming lanes for an extended distance on Upper James 115 00:08:36,030 --> 00:08:39,230 street. Thanks to this community member, our officers were able 116 00:08:39,230 --> 00:08:42,873 to safely conduct a traffic. Stop at Fennel Avenue, and 117 00:08:42,873 --> 00:08:46,273 upon approaching the vehicle, officer detected a strong odor of 118 00:08:46,273 --> 00:08:50,993 marijuana and observed the driver exhibiting nervous behavior. The driver 119 00:08:50,993 --> 00:08:54,033 then admitted to having a handgun in his pocket as 120 00:08:54,033 --> 00:08:58,033 a result, a loaded glock 26 was seized, along with 121 00:08:58,033 --> 00:09:02,269 a quantity of crack cocaine and. Scales found in the 122 00:09:02,269 --> 00:09:05,745 vehicle. In addition to the work of our shooting response 123 00:09:05,745 --> 00:09:10,385 team, we are enhancing our community outreach and engagement. Initiatives. 124 00:09:10,385 --> 00:09:14,425 We are committed to fostering stronger relationships with community members 125 00:09:14,425 --> 00:09:17,905 and leaders to gather crucial information that can help prevent 126 00:09:17,905 --> 00:09:22,994 crimes before they occur. Our strategy includes increased patrols and 127 00:09:22,994 --> 00:09:26,674 high risk areas, collaboration with local organizations, and the use 128 00:09:26,674 --> 00:09:31,594 of strategic policing partners to track and deter criminal activities. 129 00:09:31,594 --> 00:09:35,434 Furthermore, we have enhanced our offender management strategy to focus 130 00:09:35,434 --> 00:09:40,813 more intensely on serious, repeat violent offenders with firearms. The 131 00:09:40,813 --> 00:09:44,173 recent c 48 bail reform, which came into effect this 132 00:09:44,173 --> 00:09:47,853 year, has provided us with additional tools to manage these 133 00:09:47,853 --> 00:09:52,293 offenders more effectively, ensuring that those who pose the greatest 134 00:09:52,293 --> 00:09:56,698 risk in our community are kept off the streets. It 135 00:09:56,698 --> 00:10:00,538 is also essential to recognize that addressing gun violence requires 136 00:10:00,538 --> 00:10:05,138 active involvement of our entire community. These efforts start with 137 00:10:05,138 --> 00:10:08,658 engaging at risk youth early in their lives, providing positive 138 00:10:08,658 --> 00:10:11,538 role models and steering them away from a life of 139 00:10:11,538 --> 00:10:14,517 crime. We often face challenges due to the lack of 140 00:10:14,517 --> 00:10:19,664 witness support, which hampers our investigations. Therefore, I urge all 141 00:10:19,664 --> 00:10:22,984 community members to come forward with any information they may 142 00:10:22,984 --> 00:10:25,624 have, no matter how small it may seem at the 143 00:10:25,624 --> 00:10:28,864 time. By working together and sharing information, we can make 144 00:10:28,864 --> 00:10:33,464 a significant difference. Anyone with information can contact the police 145 00:10:33,464 --> 00:10:37,984 directly or provide tips anonymously through crime stoppers. In addition, 146 00:10:38,917 --> 00:10:42,517 The province. Ontario has been actively collaborating with us to 147 00:10:42,517 --> 00:10:46,317 address this issue. Funding and resources have been allocated to 148 00:10:46,317 --> 00:10:49,157 support our initiatives, and we are working closely with our 149 00:10:49,157 --> 00:10:52,597 provincial policing partners to ensure that our community has the 150 00:10:52,597 --> 00:10:58,874 necessary tools and support to combat gun violence effectively. For 151 00:10:58,874 --> 00:11:01,274 your reference, here are the numbers of shootings in Hamilton 152 00:11:01,274 --> 00:11:06,725 over the past five years. 20, 20, 51 shootings. 20, 153 00:11:06,725 --> 00:11:14,082 21, 39 shootings. 20, 22, 45 shootings. 20, 23, 35 154 00:11:14,082 --> 00:11:17,589 shootings. Of note this year. Today we are currently at 155 00:11:17,589 --> 00:11:22,655 40 shootings. I understand the importance of transparency and accountability, 156 00:11:22,655 --> 00:11:25,055 and we are committed to keeping you informed about the 157 00:11:25,055 --> 00:11:28,215 steps we are taking and the progress we are making. 158 00:11:28,215 --> 00:11:34,615 Since January 2024, members of our service have taken 260 159 00:11:34,615 --> 00:11:38,869 firearms off our streets. I want to thank the community 160 00:11:38,869 --> 00:11:41,109 for their involvement. But more importantly, I want to take 161 00:11:41,109 --> 00:11:43,389 a moment. To thank the men and women of this 162 00:11:43,389 --> 00:11:46,989 organization who are doing everything they can to mitigate the 163 00:11:46,989 --> 00:11:49,949 challenges of the gun violence. We are. Thank you, chair. 164 00:11:51,762 --> 00:11:55,507 Thank you, chief. Any questions of the chief? Can I 165 00:11:55,507 --> 00:11:57,547 have a motion to receive his report and a second? 166 00:12:06,714 --> 00:12:14,126 Any further discussion. None. All in favor? Carried. The administrative 167 00:12:14,126 --> 00:12:18,899 director give a short update. Thank you. And through you 168 00:12:18,899 --> 00:12:24,630 chair. Just wanted to mention that Vice chair Robertson and 169 00:12:24,630 --> 00:12:28,630 myself will be attending the CAPG conference in. Halifax, August 170 00:12:28,630 --> 00:12:32,470 8 through 11th. And finally, I'm in the process of 171 00:12:32,470 --> 00:12:36,550 finalizing board member training. There'll be a session with legal 172 00:12:36,550 --> 00:12:41,470 counsel Linda Bordelo at our September 26 closed session. The 173 00:12:41,470 --> 00:12:44,074 topic. Of discussion will be centered around the board's legal 174 00:12:44,074 --> 00:12:49,267 responsibilities found within the community, safety and policing act. The 175 00:12:49,267 --> 00:12:54,387 next education session. Education and training session is tentatively set 176 00:12:54,387 --> 00:12:56,267 to take place in October and. 177 00:15:30,252 --> 00:15:33,047 Will be a half day board governance training session and. 178 00:15:35,596 --> 00:15:38,036 Communication spirit for hosting me. It was a couple of 179 00:15:38,036 --> 00:15:47,504 weeks ago. Are we submitting? An application. Is this something 180 00:15:47,504 --> 00:15:51,572 the service is going to be pursuing? Thank you, member 181 00:15:51,572 --> 00:15:55,412 Mennes and through the chair, thank you for, number one, 182 00:15:55,412 --> 00:15:58,732 spending time with our members and getting an understanding. As 183 00:15:58,732 --> 00:16:03,572 this board knows, PSAp is responsibility of the municipality. We 184 00:16:03,572 --> 00:16:06,612 are working with our city partners, we up till now 185 00:16:06,612 --> 00:16:10,172 have received several million dollars of funding as the PSAP. 186 00:16:11,572 --> 00:16:14,852 Improper. Yes. We will be actively engaged and are actively 187 00:16:14,852 --> 00:16:17,732 engaged in our submissions along with the city. And our 188 00:16:17,732 --> 00:16:20,532 deadline is recognized as the August the 23rd. 189 00:16:33,044 --> 00:16:42,849 Go ahead. Unless there's any 190 00:16:42,849 --> 00:16:48,130 member who have had items about the 7.4. Item 7.5, 191 00:16:48,130 --> 00:16:54,661 which was. On the. Communication. From Mr. George, executive director 192 00:16:54,661 --> 00:16:58,804 of Hamilton Age. Center. I note here specifically, of course, 193 00:16:58,804 --> 00:17:03,552 the names of this letter was June 18 and. We 194 00:17:03,552 --> 00:17:07,352 did discuss this topic a little bit when Kojo dante. 195 00:17:09,372 --> 00:17:15,312 Delegated to the board. But I wanted to highlight. A 196 00:17:15,312 --> 00:17:18,600 couple of points that he made here. Members of the 197 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,040 public who are maybe watching this recording, or if we 198 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,640 were able to live stream it. This is about the 199 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,040 selection process for the hate crimes case review team and 200 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:33,491 some concerns that he is raising about this process. And 201 00:17:33,491 --> 00:17:38,371 he spoke about how the selection process undermines collaboration, mutual 202 00:17:38,371 --> 00:17:43,509 understanding. It negates the fact that individuals can hold intersectional 203 00:17:43,509 --> 00:17:48,623 identities. And he recognized that some communities have expressed a 204 00:17:48,623 --> 00:17:54,145 willingness to follow. This outline procedure for the selection process 205 00:17:54,145 --> 00:17:58,868 for a crime case review. Team members. But just because 206 00:17:58,868 --> 00:18:04,992 that. Doesn't negate the concerns that he's raising. In essence, 207 00:18:04,992 --> 00:18:07,792 we shouldn't be assembling any team solely because all the 208 00:18:07,792 --> 00:18:10,592 individuals agree. With us, right? Like that. Diversity of opinions 209 00:18:10,592 --> 00:18:13,352 is really important for us to have a wholesome understanding 210 00:18:13,352 --> 00:18:17,968 of our communities. So my question relates to this is 211 00:18:17,968 --> 00:18:20,208 through the chair, in light of these concerns, and, of 212 00:18:20,208 --> 00:18:23,288 course, again, I note the date, but have any changes 213 00:18:23,288 --> 00:18:29,107 been made or planned to be made? To address. These 214 00:18:29,107 --> 00:18:38,091 concerns raised by. Our local content expert. Chief. Thank you. 215 00:18:38,091 --> 00:18:41,331 Member men and Asians through the chair. Yes. Let's acknowledge 216 00:18:41,331 --> 00:18:44,211 that this was received on June the 18th. It was 217 00:18:44,211 --> 00:18:47,651 on the eve of the actual closure of the community. 218 00:18:47,651 --> 00:18:50,851 Call out for the community advisory panel for the hate 219 00:18:50,851 --> 00:18:53,491 crime community Review team by way of some history, this 220 00:18:53,491 --> 00:18:57,810 has been something that. Has followed me from my tenure 221 00:18:57,810 --> 00:19:01,170 as being sworn in on May 2021. This was one 222 00:19:01,170 --> 00:19:03,490 of my goals is to have a hate crime community 223 00:19:03,490 --> 00:19:07,090 review team. We have worked with several community members and 224 00:19:07,090 --> 00:19:11,130 had more than three town halls specifically to hate crime. 225 00:19:11,130 --> 00:19:13,930 It also, at some times, had been confused with race 226 00:19:13,930 --> 00:19:17,907 identity based data. And that community advisory panel being made 227 00:19:17,907 --> 00:19:20,907 up of ten amazing community members who have already met. 228 00:19:20,907 --> 00:19:23,667 Now three times, and I'll just make sure that it's 229 00:19:23,667 --> 00:19:27,627 not four, it's. Three times, and already we're seeing the 230 00:19:27,627 --> 00:19:30,467 fruits of that amazing group of people and the labor 231 00:19:30,467 --> 00:19:33,667 that they're dedicating on race of an identity based data. 232 00:19:33,667 --> 00:19:35,707 That being said, with regards to the hate crime community. 233 00:19:36,426 --> 00:19:41,309 Review team. We actually. Had upgoing conversations and took the 234 00:19:41,309 --> 00:19:44,349 sage advice from our good friend Lyndon George from Hark. 235 00:19:46,123 --> 00:19:48,323 So I will let you know that the nuance in 236 00:19:48,323 --> 00:19:52,163 this letter was recognized, and as such. The actual expansion 237 00:19:52,163 --> 00:19:55,163 of the a crime community view team was by two 238 00:19:55,163 --> 00:19:58,803 additional members, and it is now I understand having 13 239 00:19:58,803 --> 00:20:03,913 members. 14 members. Do I hear 1514 members that had, 240 00:20:03,913 --> 00:20:06,553 in fact, put their hand up and that's the one 241 00:20:06,553 --> 00:20:09,393 thing, if I could. I want to thank our community 242 00:20:09,393 --> 00:20:13,113 that these are difficult conversations. It's a challenge and understanding 243 00:20:13,113 --> 00:20:16,495 in many cases. Being able to have that voice. So 244 00:20:16,495 --> 00:20:19,575 what I get in the texture of this is by 245 00:20:19,575 --> 00:20:22,615 having 14 people now, and that originally had been a 246 00:20:22,615 --> 00:20:25,215 goal of ten to twelve does speak to us. Being 247 00:20:25,215 --> 00:20:29,255 inclusive and making sure, recognizing that everybody has a voice 248 00:20:29,255 --> 00:20:31,895 within our community. So thank you, community. And we look 249 00:20:31,895 --> 00:20:36,893 forward to the advisory panels. Both making sure that our 250 00:20:36,893 --> 00:20:39,693 service can better meet the growing needs of our community. 251 00:20:41,146 --> 00:20:48,099 Thank you, chief. Thank you, chief. Through the chair. I'm 252 00:20:48,099 --> 00:20:52,368 very appreciative. Of the ability of the Hamilton Police Service. 253 00:20:54,052 --> 00:20:58,212 To respond to our community members, to understand the nuance 254 00:20:58,212 --> 00:21:02,660 of some of the concerns raised and I appreciate. All 255 00:21:02,660 --> 00:21:05,380 the work that was done to change processes. Thank you. 256 00:21:06,883 --> 00:21:12,331 Deputy chair. Through the chair. Thank you for the report. 257 00:21:15,292 --> 00:21:24,092 Okay. Here's the question. Those in favor? 258 00:21:26,008 --> 00:21:33,339 Carrie. Thank you. We now move on. To. We didn't 259 00:21:33,339 --> 00:21:38,480 have to. We didn't have to lift it. No. 260 00:21:44,711 --> 00:21:48,678 The consent agenda. May I please have a mover in 261 00:21:48,678 --> 00:21:53,660 a second? Or to approve items 8.1 through 8.9. Member 262 00:21:53,660 --> 00:22:01,653 menissus deputy chair, Robinson. Yeah, we're not two years yet. 263 00:22:04,489 --> 00:22:10,320 I didn't miss one. I didn't miss yours. Okay. 264 00:22:17,010 --> 00:22:25,410 Is there any discussion on the consent agenda? Yes. Thank 265 00:22:25,410 --> 00:22:26,610 you. And through the chair, I just would like to 266 00:22:26,610 --> 00:22:31,130 know. 8.6. The Hamilton Police. Service board budget committee. When 267 00:22:31,130 --> 00:22:34,250 will the next meeting be? Because we know that we 268 00:22:34,250 --> 00:22:37,330 seem to be all busy or we would like to 269 00:22:37,330 --> 00:22:42,032 know ahead of time. David's been said. When was it? 270 00:22:42,032 --> 00:22:48,506 September 26. What was the date? I missed that. I 271 00:22:48,506 --> 00:22:54,522 must have fall asleep there. Through you, Mr. Chair. As 272 00:22:54,522 --> 00:22:56,522 you know, the board is to hold a minimum of 273 00:22:56,522 --> 00:23:01,298 four budget committees meetings a year. The three remaining have 274 00:23:01,298 --> 00:23:05,855 been set up and should be in your calendars. I'll 275 00:23:05,855 --> 00:23:09,525 check my calendar. Then the next one is set for 276 00:23:09,525 --> 00:23:19,484 Monday, September the 9th, at 11:00 a.m.. Okay. Yes, 277 00:23:19,484 --> 00:23:27,851 ma'am. The 9th? Yeah, at eleven. Yes. Member minutes. 278 00:23:31,420 --> 00:23:35,660 I wanted to just simply quickly speak to item 8.7, 279 00:23:35,660 --> 00:23:39,140 which is outlining interest of the board's responsibilities related to 280 00:23:39,140 --> 00:23:43,791 the Community Safety and Policing Act. And. For folks in 281 00:23:43,791 --> 00:23:49,672 the community. Just. A quick reminder. This act came into 282 00:23:49,672 --> 00:23:52,752 place April 1. It has resulted in a huge amount 283 00:23:52,752 --> 00:23:57,792 of administrative burden that is primarily been worn by Christian, 284 00:23:57,792 --> 00:24:04,275 our administrative director, or. Ms. Stevens and Lucia. Thank you. 285 00:24:06,749 --> 00:24:08,669 Members of the public can be aware of the other 286 00:24:08,669 --> 00:24:11,949 pressures on the board and why some of our work. 287 00:24:13,747 --> 00:24:17,587 Has, like, we've prioritized changing our, you know, updating all 288 00:24:17,587 --> 00:24:20,507 of our policies. And that's the royal leaf. That's really 289 00:24:20,507 --> 00:24:23,667 Kristen. That's all of your. Work. So thank you. And 290 00:24:23,667 --> 00:24:27,107 so folks can follow online in terms of the, I 291 00:24:27,107 --> 00:24:30,067 think all of the high priority items have been addressed. 292 00:24:31,867 --> 00:24:34,467 And it's a congratulations and thank you so much for 293 00:24:34,467 --> 00:24:39,848 everyone behind all of this work. Thank you. Member. That 294 00:24:39,848 --> 00:24:43,146 is so true. Like Kirsten better not get sick or 295 00:24:43,146 --> 00:24:48,118 hired by another municipality. We're all in trouble. Thank you 296 00:24:48,118 --> 00:24:54,111 very much. That was eight points. If there's no further 297 00:24:54,111 --> 00:25:00,974 discussion. Here's the question. Those in favor? Opposed. 298 00:25:04,121 --> 00:25:07,878 Good. Now, are we ready for. Number nine, which is 299 00:25:07,878 --> 00:25:16,559 recommendations. Kristen. Oh, this is board schedule. Okay. 300 00:25:19,358 --> 00:25:21,238 I'm still right. I just don't want to get lost 301 00:25:21,238 --> 00:25:24,777 here. Okay. We're still in the right place. Okay. Sorry. 302 00:25:26,888 --> 00:25:29,488 You can speak to the meeting schedule if you wish. 303 00:25:32,557 --> 00:25:35,957 Nine one through you. Mr. Chair? Yes? I've just proposed 304 00:25:35,957 --> 00:25:41,462 a meeting schedule for next year. There were appropriate vacancies 305 00:25:41,462 --> 00:25:44,142 here in Councillor chambers at city hall. So as you 306 00:25:44,142 --> 00:25:46,782 can see. From the report. All of our meetings are 307 00:25:46,782 --> 00:25:50,372 going to be on Thursdays. And I did my best 308 00:25:50,372 --> 00:25:52,772 to stretch them out so there's adequate time in between 309 00:25:52,772 --> 00:25:55,812 meetings. For the service and the board to prepare reports. 310 00:26:02,699 --> 00:26:11,171 Any questions for Kristen? Okay. All those in favor? Thank 311 00:26:11,171 --> 00:26:19,310 you. Now we move. To. Year end report. Use crime. 312 00:26:22,999 --> 00:26:26,340 Chief. Thank you very much. Chair. And through the chair, 313 00:26:26,340 --> 00:26:30,100 I'd like to call upon acting deputy. Will mason to 314 00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:34,437 introduce our speaker. Yes, thank you. And through you chair. 315 00:26:34,437 --> 00:26:37,117 I'm just looking for a stop. Sergeant Dave McKenzie. To 316 00:26:37,117 --> 00:26:42,073 make his way down. And while he's doing that, And 317 00:26:42,073 --> 00:26:44,233 preparing to present, thanks very much to him for stepping 318 00:26:44,233 --> 00:26:48,553 in, Sergeant Jason Tattison, who is our youth services coordinator. 319 00:26:50,201 --> 00:26:54,956 Was unavailable for this meeting, but thanks to him, Under 320 00:26:54,956 --> 00:26:58,596 Dave's leadership and the leadership of Inspector Frank Messioni is 321 00:26:58,596 --> 00:27:01,716 seated behind me. As well as all of our youth 322 00:27:01,716 --> 00:27:06,556 engagement team, our school liaison officers, our community service officers, 323 00:27:06,556 --> 00:27:09,796 as a former youth services coordinator myself, I have a 324 00:27:09,796 --> 00:27:14,448 deep appreciation for the work that they do. And that 325 00:27:14,448 --> 00:27:20,324 focus on youth engagement, building those positive relationships. We've seen 326 00:27:20,324 --> 00:27:24,724 numerous benefits from that, both in terms of positive relationships 327 00:27:24,724 --> 00:27:28,364 being built at a young age that benefits as people 328 00:27:28,364 --> 00:27:32,364 move into adulthood. And selfishly, some of those people do 329 00:27:32,364 --> 00:27:35,244 become police officers, and we hear about that, and it's 330 00:27:35,244 --> 00:27:38,244 a great tool that we use and try to keep 331 00:27:38,244 --> 00:27:41,546 our youth engaged. There's also a great connection to our 332 00:27:41,546 --> 00:27:45,346 wrist program with a youth social navigator that we're starting 333 00:27:45,346 --> 00:27:48,386 to see tremendous benefit from. So with that, I'll turn 334 00:27:48,386 --> 00:27:52,565 it over to staff Sergeant McKenzie. Floor is your staff. 335 00:27:55,321 --> 00:28:03,691 Present the youth report for 2023. The youth engagement team. 336 00:28:05,664 --> 00:28:08,704 Is the community based approach that proactively addresses issues that 337 00:28:08,704 --> 00:28:13,010 involve youth age twelve to 26. On the criminal code 338 00:28:13,010 --> 00:28:16,050 side. In the YCGA, the youth is defined as somebody 339 00:28:16,050 --> 00:28:19,490 between the ages of twelve and 17. But because different 340 00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:23,090 community organizations, they have different age limits. We go from 341 00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:29,807 twelve to 26. So the youth engagement team. Proactively addresses 342 00:28:29,807 --> 00:28:35,253 issues. This is done by community engagement, safety, prevention, education, 343 00:28:35,253 --> 00:28:40,093 enforcement, and consultation, and this model supports our youth via 344 00:28:40,093 --> 00:28:43,253 community and family initiatives as indicated in the Hamilton community 345 00:28:43,253 --> 00:28:47,001 safety and well being plan. This model was presented to 346 00:28:47,001 --> 00:28:55,098 the Ontario. Association chiefs of Police. Youth. 347 00:28:57,253 --> 00:29:01,093 By our inspector Missioni and a lot of organizations are 348 00:29:01,093 --> 00:29:05,211 adopting this model. Switching from an enforcement to an engagement 349 00:29:05,211 --> 00:29:09,588 model. The youth services coordinator, the youth engagement team, the 350 00:29:09,588 --> 00:29:13,948 school liaison. Community service officers continue to develop meaningful community 351 00:29:13,948 --> 00:29:17,428 relationships with innovative and strategic approaches to assist our youth 352 00:29:17,428 --> 00:29:23,308 and families relating to safety, engagement, education and consultation. And 353 00:29:23,308 --> 00:29:25,508 the youth engagement team engages the community in many different 354 00:29:25,508 --> 00:29:30,791 ways. They do it through youth initiatives. Some of our 355 00:29:30,791 --> 00:29:35,551 peraction events, community events such as after school tutoring programs, 356 00:29:35,551 --> 00:29:39,944 prom patrol, prom patrol is where we collect. A bunch 357 00:29:39,944 --> 00:29:43,481 of. We go to our community members, our organization. Suits, 358 00:29:43,481 --> 00:29:47,154 dresses to donate. To schools across all the boards for 359 00:29:47,154 --> 00:29:50,929 their prongs, because not every. Kid can afford to dress 360 00:29:50,929 --> 00:29:53,649 up nice for their prom, so that's just something that 361 00:29:53,649 --> 00:29:57,942 we like to participate in. They engage in the community 362 00:29:57,942 --> 00:30:01,022 and police in the park and a lot of community 363 00:30:01,022 --> 00:30:05,862 presentations. We like to educate the community. Not everybody knows, 364 00:30:05,862 --> 00:30:09,462 especially newcomers. Many people don't know what they can. And 365 00:30:09,462 --> 00:30:13,576 can't do. In our country, and they reach out to 366 00:30:13,576 --> 00:30:18,977 our youth team for consultation. Youth consultations is a different 367 00:30:18,977 --> 00:30:22,097 thing. We connect with youth probation, so our youth team 368 00:30:22,097 --> 00:30:26,537 likes to engage with probation to engage the youth and 369 00:30:26,537 --> 00:30:31,707 sit down with a probation officer to ensure. That everyone's 370 00:30:31,707 --> 00:30:35,347 on the same page as far as helping them be 371 00:30:35,347 --> 00:30:39,827 acclimated back. Into society, or even if they're not in 372 00:30:39,827 --> 00:30:44,395 custody, help them get through. There's also violent threat risk 373 00:30:44,395 --> 00:30:49,197 assessments in which the youth engagement team sits with. Many, 374 00:30:49,197 --> 00:30:51,117 whether it's the education system, the health care system, the 375 00:30:51,117 --> 00:30:54,557 mental health system, and there's some youth that are high 376 00:30:54,557 --> 00:30:57,477 risk for violence, and these are usually referred to not 377 00:30:57,477 --> 00:31:00,357 by police, but by these agencies, because they don't know 378 00:31:00,357 --> 00:31:01,917 what else to do. So they like to loop in 379 00:31:01,917 --> 00:31:05,420 police. As far as what can we do? And we 380 00:31:05,420 --> 00:31:06,900 sit and we come up with a plan, and each 381 00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:11,620 plan is unique for each individual. There's also the youth 382 00:31:11,620 --> 00:31:15,060 complex suicide needs, which, again, we have external partners reaching 383 00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:17,740 out to. The police and the youth team through the 384 00:31:17,740 --> 00:31:22,866 youth sergeant will. Come up with. Unique care plans for 385 00:31:22,866 --> 00:31:27,475 these youth to ensure that their needs are met. When 386 00:31:27,475 --> 00:31:30,155 it comes to community crime prevention enforcement, the goal is 387 00:31:30,155 --> 00:31:32,595 not to criminalize youth. The goal is to rehabilitate and 388 00:31:32,595 --> 00:31:36,315 reintegrate youth, foster relationships, and prevent future offenses from occurring. 389 00:31:40,262 --> 00:31:44,942 The principles of the YCGA are to prevent crime, rehabilitate 390 00:31:44,942 --> 00:31:48,622 with meaningful consequences with timely interventions to promote the long 391 00:31:48,622 --> 00:31:52,808 term protection of society. The majority of incidents involving youth 392 00:31:52,808 --> 00:31:56,608 crime get resolved by extra judicial measures and in gain 393 00:31:56,608 --> 00:31:59,528 for our purposes the YCGA. A youth is defined as 394 00:31:59,528 --> 00:32:03,248 a person twelve to 17 and a child under twelve. 395 00:32:03,248 --> 00:32:06,505 There's no stats for that. And the reason being is 396 00:32:06,505 --> 00:32:11,287 we don't. Charge youth under twelve. In the Hamilton Police 397 00:32:11,287 --> 00:32:14,807 applies the spirit of the YCJ by having multiple responses 398 00:32:14,807 --> 00:32:17,607 to youth crime. The majority of youth crime gets resolved 399 00:32:17,607 --> 00:32:22,441 by extra judicial measures. And people ask, what does that 400 00:32:22,441 --> 00:32:26,481 mean? It's usually no further action, a warning, a police. 401 00:32:26,481 --> 00:32:30,041 Caution or diversion. And when officers are involved in these 402 00:32:30,041 --> 00:32:32,801 situations, they have to weigh factors such as the circumstances, 403 00:32:32,801 --> 00:32:37,207 the remorse and the severity and even victim participation. There 404 00:32:37,207 --> 00:32:40,247 would be times where something will happen and the person 405 00:32:40,247 --> 00:32:43,327 who is the victim will say, I don't want anything 406 00:32:43,327 --> 00:32:46,407 done to this youth. And they'll work with the officer 407 00:32:46,407 --> 00:32:51,497 to resolve the situation without being charged. And again, the 408 00:32:51,497 --> 00:32:55,857 goal is to rehabilitate and reintegrate and prevent future offenses. 409 00:32:55,857 --> 00:32:59,377 The objectives of the extrajudicial measures are effective and timely 410 00:32:59,377 --> 00:33:04,537 response, which doesn't wait. For the former court process. And 411 00:33:04,537 --> 00:33:08,057 by doing these judicial measures, we can encourage young persons 412 00:33:08,057 --> 00:33:12,072 to acknowledge and repair, har. Harm caused to the victim 413 00:33:12,072 --> 00:33:15,432 and the community. And we can also loop in the 414 00:33:15,432 --> 00:33:17,872 involvement of the family in the community and design the 415 00:33:17,872 --> 00:33:22,272 implementations of the measures victim participation in decision for measures 416 00:33:22,272 --> 00:33:25,352 respect the rights of the young persons and proportionality of 417 00:33:25,352 --> 00:33:30,941 the offense. The violent crime. In 2023, 462 youth were 418 00:33:30,941 --> 00:33:35,501 involved in violent crimes, with 135 youth being charged. 419 00:33:41,214 --> 00:33:46,916 70%. Received an extra judicial measure. When it comes to 420 00:33:46,916 --> 00:33:51,796 property crime, 295 youth were involved and 63% were charged 421 00:33:51,796 --> 00:33:57,436 with 77%. Of those receiving an extra judicial measure. When 422 00:33:57,436 --> 00:34:01,796 it comes to controlled Drugs and Substances Act 22 youth 423 00:34:01,796 --> 00:34:06,977 were arrested. 18 youth were charged and four youth were 424 00:34:06,977 --> 00:34:10,857 diverted after arrests and received measures. The most common drug 425 00:34:10,857 --> 00:34:15,137 and offense. The most common drug offense was trafficking methamphetamine, 426 00:34:15,137 --> 00:34:21,367 followed by trafficking cocaine. And only one youth was charged 427 00:34:21,367 --> 00:34:23,887 under the provincial Cannabis Control act, and they received a 428 00:34:23,887 --> 00:34:33,063 provincial offenses notice. In total. In 2023 974 youth were 429 00:34:33,063 --> 00:34:39,183 involved in crime with 348 charge. The remaining 626 people 430 00:34:39,183 --> 00:34:46,217 received an extra judicial measure, which. Represents 64%. When comparing 431 00:34:46,217 --> 00:34:50,131 2023 to the five year average. There was an increase 432 00:34:50,131 --> 00:34:53,718 of youth involved in crime by 1%. And if you 433 00:34:53,718 --> 00:34:57,598 look at this chart, these are the 15 offenses that 434 00:34:57,598 --> 00:35:03,238 constitute 79% of youth. Involved in crime. Then the top 435 00:35:03,238 --> 00:35:08,497 three. Criminal offenses were assault level one mischiev and uttering 436 00:35:08,497 --> 00:35:12,703 threats. Sometimes, despite our best efforts, we do have youth 437 00:35:12,703 --> 00:35:14,743 in our community who do not meet the criteria. For 438 00:35:14,743 --> 00:35:18,023 extrajudicial measures and despite formal charges, remain at risk to 439 00:35:18,023 --> 00:35:25,377 reoffend. The stop program is specifically directed at youth charged 440 00:35:25,377 --> 00:35:27,497 formally by the courts and are bound to abide by 441 00:35:27,497 --> 00:35:31,017 their conditions of release, such as curfew and house arrests. 442 00:35:31,017 --> 00:35:33,377 The program is an effective method for officers to attend 443 00:35:33,377 --> 00:35:35,537 the use of residence and to ensure they are compliant 444 00:35:35,537 --> 00:35:39,337 with a court imposed conditions. The youth are identified by 445 00:35:39,337 --> 00:35:44,017 courts, Ministry of Children, Community Social Services, Probation, Hamilton Police 446 00:35:44,017 --> 00:35:51,119 service. Engagement team in 20, 23 31 youth were identified 447 00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:54,123 for the program. And in 2023, as you can see, 448 00:35:56,278 --> 00:35:58,278 It's not just the youth engagement team that involves in 449 00:35:58,278 --> 00:36:03,005 stop checks. It's also divisional officers. Because the divisional officers 450 00:36:03,005 --> 00:36:06,525 take ownership of their division to ensure that youth are 451 00:36:06,525 --> 00:36:09,725 abiding by their conditions. But not only that, it gives 452 00:36:09,725 --> 00:36:12,045 them a chance to sit down at the kitchen table. 453 00:36:12,045 --> 00:36:15,388 With their families. A door knocked, they sit down, they 454 00:36:15,388 --> 00:36:19,228 have chats with them. And when you look at that, 455 00:36:19,228 --> 00:36:22,908 out of 332 stop checks, there are only 58 arrests. 456 00:36:24,459 --> 00:36:28,099 And of those 58 arrests, 37 were outside of residence 457 00:36:28,099 --> 00:36:31,419 where these youth may have committed other criminal offenses while 458 00:36:31,419 --> 00:36:35,579 not abiding by their conditions. So I know officers love 459 00:36:35,579 --> 00:36:38,219 doing these stop checks. Because it gives these youth the 460 00:36:38,219 --> 00:36:44,342 chance to see these officers, not after. An act. It's 461 00:36:44,342 --> 00:36:46,782 more of a drop in. And their families love to 462 00:36:46,782 --> 00:36:50,182 see sitting at the kitchen table having coffee with them 463 00:36:50,182 --> 00:36:53,382 in uniform. And the community likes to see the officers 464 00:36:53,382 --> 00:36:55,702 walking. Up to the house and everyone's like, oh, what 465 00:36:55,702 --> 00:36:58,182 do they do? Every nerdy know. What they did. But 466 00:36:58,182 --> 00:37:01,942 when the community sees the officers leaving laughing, they know 467 00:37:01,942 --> 00:37:04,430 that nothing serious is happening? And they know that the 468 00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:09,759 community likes to see that. And in 2014, the chief 469 00:37:09,759 --> 00:37:13,479 student advisory committee identified youth mental health as a critical 470 00:37:13,479 --> 00:37:16,879 concern and a coordinate approach was implemented in partnership with 471 00:37:16,879 --> 00:37:24,803 St. Joe's. Healthcare hps. M search coast and social navigator. 472 00:37:26,412 --> 00:37:28,612 And these agencies and programs continue to assist youth who 473 00:37:28,612 --> 00:37:33,253 experience mental health crisis in complex presentations. That's the presentation. 474 00:37:36,989 --> 00:37:45,393 Any questions? Thank you, Acting Inspector Mackenzie. Questions? For. 475 00:37:47,593 --> 00:37:52,635 Thank you, Inspector McKenzie. I wanted to highlight first off. 476 00:37:54,333 --> 00:37:57,769 I really loved the way you framed. The importance of 477 00:37:57,769 --> 00:38:02,489 having those interactions with youth outside of that high stress. 478 00:38:04,397 --> 00:38:08,210 Very intense environments. Of an arrest and actually being able 479 00:38:08,210 --> 00:38:12,530 to, outside of those conditions, meet individuals on a personal 480 00:38:12,530 --> 00:38:16,706 basis. And that's a really nice framing for the work. 481 00:38:18,685 --> 00:38:22,285 And the values that you put into your work, so 482 00:38:22,285 --> 00:38:26,525 thank you. I have a couple of questions. I'm going 483 00:38:26,525 --> 00:38:33,421 to ask a question about. Your slide first. And that's 484 00:38:33,421 --> 00:38:37,801 slide number nine. And this was just a note from. 485 00:38:37,801 --> 00:38:42,314 Is that okay? Yes, it is not on the big 486 00:38:42,314 --> 00:38:47,659 screen. I'm so sorry. Is that okay? Thank you. And 487 00:38:47,659 --> 00:38:51,521 this was. Yes. And this was. In the written report 488 00:38:51,521 --> 00:38:54,801 that was in the previous board meeting that I had 489 00:38:54,801 --> 00:38:57,521 highlighted a couple of things, and so it was really 490 00:38:57,521 --> 00:38:59,401 handy to have this on the screen, so thank you. 491 00:39:01,086 --> 00:39:06,459 And. I wanted to draw your attention to. The bottom 492 00:39:06,459 --> 00:39:11,308 three. First, right? And I thought that theft was motor 493 00:39:11,308 --> 00:39:14,948 vehicle. And I'm looking at percent change rather than overall 494 00:39:14,948 --> 00:39:19,988 numbers. And correct me if that is an unfair characterization 495 00:39:19,988 --> 00:39:22,468 and just for the public, just noting that the overall 496 00:39:22,468 --> 00:39:26,970 numbers. Are between 18 and 22. Right. But the percent 497 00:39:26,970 --> 00:39:30,810 change for theft of motor vehicles is it's? Increased by 498 00:39:30,810 --> 00:39:34,450 22%. But then we say possession of weapons increased by 499 00:39:34,450 --> 00:39:38,850 66%. And motor vehicle collisions, which was the one that 500 00:39:38,850 --> 00:39:42,850 really caught my attention. There's an increase by over 87%. 501 00:39:44,385 --> 00:39:48,425 And so we talked about, like, targeted interventions, and knowing 502 00:39:48,425 --> 00:39:54,624 that my knowledge. Of youth crimes is very limited. And 503 00:39:54,624 --> 00:39:57,104 you really are the expert here, but could you explain 504 00:39:57,104 --> 00:40:04,176 a little bit more about. What? Is your approach to 505 00:40:04,176 --> 00:40:08,416 handling some of the sort of hotspots just probably the 506 00:40:08,416 --> 00:40:13,974 wrong word? On this. So when you look at those. 507 00:40:13,974 --> 00:40:16,839 Thank you for that question. And through the chair. When 508 00:40:16,839 --> 00:40:20,439 you look at the denominator, the denominator is small and 509 00:40:20,439 --> 00:40:23,885 any sort of when you have a small denominator. One 510 00:40:23,885 --> 00:40:27,565 number change is a huge change. If the denominator was 511 00:40:27,565 --> 00:40:30,707 1000 and it went up. By. Eight, it would be 512 00:40:30,707 --> 00:40:33,547 like less than 1% change. So a lot of people 513 00:40:33,547 --> 00:40:35,427 react to the percent change. But when you look at 514 00:40:35,427 --> 00:40:38,027 the overall, we live in a city of 700,000. People. 515 00:40:39,735 --> 00:40:44,215 And these theft of motor vehicles, possession of weapons. When 516 00:40:44,215 --> 00:40:49,295 you look at those numbers overall, most of these look 517 00:40:49,295 --> 00:40:52,175 at the youth that haven't been charged. So when we 518 00:40:52,175 --> 00:40:55,655 do these interventions, the goal isn't to charge these youth. 519 00:40:55,655 --> 00:40:58,780 These goals are to. Okay, is this a first time 520 00:40:58,780 --> 00:41:01,780 offense? And when you look at this, the 53% of 521 00:41:01,780 --> 00:41:07,860 possession. Of weapons, 53% or 53% weren't charged. So when 522 00:41:07,860 --> 00:41:13,088 you look at that, 15 youth into 2023 were involved 523 00:41:13,088 --> 00:41:15,608 in possession of weapons, but over half of them weren't. 524 00:41:15,608 --> 00:41:21,086 Charged. So the term weapons can mean a number of 525 00:41:21,086 --> 00:41:24,926 things. So, like I said in the previous slide, officers, 526 00:41:24,926 --> 00:41:28,486 there's a narrative that we're charging everybody that's false because 527 00:41:28,486 --> 00:41:31,406 this data says that we look at the circumstances, we 528 00:41:31,406 --> 00:41:34,326 look at the level of remorse, we look at everything. 529 00:41:34,326 --> 00:41:37,319 And a lot of times. It could be sheer nonsense. 530 00:41:37,319 --> 00:41:39,199 And when the officers see that it's sheer nonsense, it's. 531 00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:42,999 Not worth forming. Charging a youth. There are cases that 532 00:41:42,999 --> 00:41:45,199 we don't have a choice. Based on the circumstances that 533 00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:47,879 we do have to lay those charges. So, again, you 534 00:41:47,879 --> 00:41:53,319 see 66%. Overall, that number is glaring. But the reality 535 00:41:53,319 --> 00:41:58,363 is we're not out there to overly. Charge you. We're 536 00:41:58,363 --> 00:42:01,483 looking to intervene, and if we could intervene early, we're 537 00:42:01,483 --> 00:42:05,081 not going to. Have people returning to the system. I 538 00:42:05,081 --> 00:42:09,109 love that. And thank you. We were discussing a trauma 539 00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:14,932 informed approach to policing and speaking about context. Of each 540 00:42:14,932 --> 00:42:20,147 individual. Right. And tailoring that for restorative justice approach, I 541 00:42:20,147 --> 00:42:23,896 think. That is wonderful. And thank you for explaining that 542 00:42:23,896 --> 00:42:28,322 in a bit more detail. I had a question. That. 543 00:42:29,617 --> 00:42:35,970 Is related to. Page 14. For our agenda packages. If 544 00:42:35,970 --> 00:42:43,650 the pages are similar. Or the same. And. This is 545 00:42:43,650 --> 00:42:52,125 where. It was explaining a bit about. Referrals. To. The 546 00:42:52,125 --> 00:42:55,205 wording is if a youth was found to in contravention 547 00:42:55,205 --> 00:42:58,565 under the controlled drug. Substances act or the Federal Cannabis 548 00:42:58,565 --> 00:43:03,565 Control act met qualifications and extrajudicial measures Referral was forwarded 549 00:43:03,565 --> 00:43:09,643 to the John Howard Society of Hamilton, Burlington. An area 550 00:43:09,643 --> 00:43:13,936 in lieu of criminal charges. Right? So. Wonderful examples of. 551 00:43:15,857 --> 00:43:19,457 Not charging every use that you come into contact with. 552 00:43:21,439 --> 00:43:23,879 However, when I was looking at the numbers here, it 553 00:43:23,879 --> 00:43:29,497 seems like referrals to. The John Howard Society actually decreased 554 00:43:29,497 --> 00:43:36,845 by 22%. From 2022. The wording is. In 2023, the 555 00:43:36,845 --> 00:43:41,774 John Howard decided to receive 78 extraditional measures. Used precharged 556 00:43:41,774 --> 00:43:45,814 vibration referrals from the Hamilton Police Service, a decrease of 557 00:43:45,814 --> 00:43:50,134 22% from the 100 froze in 2022, again noting that. 558 00:43:50,134 --> 00:43:55,172 Oh, wonderful. Again, noting that. The overall numbers, the absolute 559 00:43:55,172 --> 00:44:03,264 numbers. Are still small. And absolutely that percent changes. It's 560 00:44:03,264 --> 00:44:10,443 not a fair thing to hyper focus on, however. Many 561 00:44:10,443 --> 00:44:14,563 folks who may be skimming these agenda packages online are 562 00:44:14,563 --> 00:44:16,283 going to pick up on some of these numbers, and 563 00:44:16,283 --> 00:44:18,563 so having a bit more of an explanation of that 564 00:44:18,563 --> 00:44:22,851 would be really helpful. So John Howard isn't. So when 565 00:44:22,851 --> 00:44:25,531 we look at the referrals may go down. Because a 566 00:44:25,531 --> 00:44:27,851 lot of times we not may deal with it before 567 00:44:27,851 --> 00:44:32,017 we even get to that referral. Process, so. Within the 568 00:44:32,017 --> 00:44:34,377 number, people may say, yes, the numbers have gone down. 569 00:44:35,744 --> 00:44:37,304 But they had to be formally charged in order to 570 00:44:37,304 --> 00:44:40,504 be referred to John Howard. So if these officers are 571 00:44:40,504 --> 00:44:42,704 dealing with this at the front end, there's no reason 572 00:44:42,704 --> 00:44:44,904 for them to refer. Them to John Howard. And that's 573 00:44:44,904 --> 00:44:49,584 why by this community engagement and seeing youth out there, 574 00:44:49,584 --> 00:44:51,464 they realize that. You know what? Yeah. What I did 575 00:44:51,464 --> 00:44:53,704 was stupid, and we don't have to charge them, and 576 00:44:53,704 --> 00:44:57,429 that's our goal. So if. Somebody takes that perspective to 577 00:44:57,429 --> 00:44:59,669 say that. Yeah, we're not doing these referrals, dig? A 578 00:44:59,669 --> 00:45:02,149 little deeper because we are doing our job at the 579 00:45:02,149 --> 00:45:03,709 front end, so we're not. Dealing with them at the 580 00:45:03,709 --> 00:45:06,429 back end. That is perfect. Thank you. That is clarified 581 00:45:06,429 --> 00:45:09,469 a lot for me. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank 582 00:45:09,469 --> 00:45:14,130 you. Any more questions for the inspector? Yes, member. Thank 583 00:45:14,130 --> 00:45:20,801 you. And through the chair. Thank you, Inspector. Your sergeant 584 00:45:20,801 --> 00:45:27,002 or your inspector? Okay. Whatever. Thank you. I just want 585 00:45:27,002 --> 00:45:31,145 to ask. The question youth. And when you said twelve 586 00:45:31,145 --> 00:45:35,045 to 17 year olds to me. They're children. I just 587 00:45:35,045 --> 00:45:39,130 took the international children's game to Mexico. And they're for 588 00:45:39,130 --> 00:45:43,010 competition, and they're really children. And I'm just wondering. When 589 00:45:43,010 --> 00:45:47,250 I read 295 involve you, six to three of you 590 00:45:47,250 --> 00:45:52,958 were charged with property crime. And 228 received extra judicial 591 00:45:52,958 --> 00:45:56,238 measure. Then I read about the drug 22 youth were 592 00:45:56,238 --> 00:46:00,998 arrested under the controlled drug substance and 18 were charged. 593 00:46:00,998 --> 00:46:05,867 I'm just wondering. In your opinion? Taking the police laisson 594 00:46:05,867 --> 00:46:13,273 out of the school. Is that any relationship? That why 595 00:46:13,273 --> 00:46:16,513 we're seeing an increase of one. Excuse me. Member Paul? 596 00:46:16,513 --> 00:46:18,913 This was discussed, and the chief dealt with it at 597 00:46:18,913 --> 00:46:22,321 the last meeting, okay? We don't need to go down 598 00:46:22,321 --> 00:46:25,161 that road. Okay. I just want to say that I. 599 00:46:25,161 --> 00:46:28,401 Believe because of all the things we interact with children. 600 00:46:28,401 --> 00:46:31,602 It's important because I know. Your story, how you became 601 00:46:31,602 --> 00:46:34,762 a police officer. It's amazing. So I just wanted to 602 00:46:34,762 --> 00:46:37,442 bring. It out that it's important that these are children. 603 00:46:37,442 --> 00:46:41,042 Talk to 17, and we need to give them guidance 604 00:46:41,042 --> 00:46:43,682 as well. But my next question real quick, because I 605 00:46:43,682 --> 00:46:48,277 know we're in a hurry beside John Howard. Who else 606 00:46:48,277 --> 00:46:54,720 do we refer them to? There's a provincial contract. Through 607 00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:58,398 the chair. And correct me if I'm wrong, Inspector missioni. 608 00:46:58,398 --> 00:47:02,358 We have a provincial relationship through the chair spectator mission. 609 00:47:03,852 --> 00:47:06,735 Go ahead. Thank you. Into the chair. I was just 610 00:47:06,735 --> 00:47:08,815 going to mention I was trying to signal Dave here. 611 00:47:08,815 --> 00:47:11,335 That the YMCA is also another agency to refer our 612 00:47:11,335 --> 00:47:15,869 youth group. With that, the URS program to YMC. So 613 00:47:15,869 --> 00:47:18,749 high risk, high risk youth do get referred to the 614 00:47:18,749 --> 00:47:24,524 YMCA as well as John Howard society. Okay. Thank you 615 00:47:24,524 --> 00:47:26,524 for that. I know there's a lot. There's liberty for 616 00:47:26,524 --> 00:47:29,684 youth. And all different kinds of organization. The reason I 617 00:47:29,684 --> 00:47:31,644 brought up the other one is because when I look 618 00:47:31,644 --> 00:47:37,204 on page 95, it says all the places that we 619 00:47:37,204 --> 00:47:39,764 communicate with, and one of them is the Hamilton Police 620 00:47:39,764 --> 00:47:44,094 Service and the school board lays on committee, so. We 621 00:47:44,094 --> 00:47:46,414 do engage with school board, so I just want the 622 00:47:46,414 --> 00:47:49,509 public to know that. That's one of our engagement that 623 00:47:49,509 --> 00:47:51,789 we do and how much we need it. That's? Why 624 00:47:51,789 --> 00:47:54,989 I brought it up. Thank you. And thank you again. 625 00:47:54,989 --> 00:47:58,949 Thank you. Any more questions for the inspector. Thanks very 626 00:47:58,949 --> 00:48:05,354 much. That was an excellent. Presentation, inspector. Thank you. I 627 00:48:05,354 --> 00:48:09,474 now call the question. Those in favor of receiving this 628 00:48:09,474 --> 00:48:15,949 report. Opposed. Thank you. Now we move to ten one, 629 00:48:15,949 --> 00:48:19,069 which are motions. You'll see that there is a motion. 630 00:48:19,069 --> 00:48:22,229 To. We need to. It came out of our last 631 00:48:22,229 --> 00:48:31,564 meeting. There is a requirement to have. Us draft a 632 00:48:31,564 --> 00:48:35,721 policy with regards. To body worn cameras that give us 633 00:48:35,721 --> 00:48:42,521 appropriate direction to the chief. Hold on. Do we have 634 00:48:42,521 --> 00:48:47,971 a motion? I do believe the deputy chair has a 635 00:48:47,971 --> 00:48:57,068 motion. We have a motion, but I'd like to make 636 00:48:57,068 --> 00:49:00,068 a friendly amendment to it, if that's. Please do, Mr. 637 00:49:00,068 --> 00:49:05,535 Chair. Through the chair. Said that enough. That the administrative 638 00:49:05,535 --> 00:49:10,535 director ad be directed to prepare a draft board policy 639 00:49:10,535 --> 00:49:13,575 on the use of body worn cameras by the Hamilton 640 00:49:13,575 --> 00:49:17,175 Police Service and that the ad consult with the service 641 00:49:17,175 --> 00:49:26,990 when preparing this draft. Board policy and. That, dad. Include 642 00:49:26,990 --> 00:49:32,030 the draft board policy where police draft a board. Police 643 00:49:32,030 --> 00:49:36,630 how it aligns with. The 2021 Information or Privacy Commission 644 00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:42,590 of Ontario's model governance framework for body worn camera program 645 00:49:42,590 --> 00:49:47,662 in Ontario. Report and recommendations contained herein and that this 646 00:49:47,662 --> 00:49:51,782 draft board policy be presented to the board for their 647 00:49:51,782 --> 00:49:56,942 consideration. September 26, 2024, to regular board meeting. A second 648 00:49:56,942 --> 00:50:02,047 here, please. Thank you. Any discussion. I think it's fairly 649 00:50:02,047 --> 00:50:04,447 simple how we got to here. This is one of 650 00:50:04,447 --> 00:50:07,727 those policies that we don't yet have. We know there's 651 00:50:07,727 --> 00:50:10,087 some discussion as the chief tries to get ahead of 652 00:50:10,087 --> 00:50:16,462 a contractual challenge. This is the board policy telling him 653 00:50:16,462 --> 00:50:19,262 to have a procedure and he will come back to 654 00:50:19,262 --> 00:50:22,382 us. With an appropriate procedure that can assure us, or 655 00:50:22,382 --> 00:50:24,942 can assure us that he has one that meets in 656 00:50:24,942 --> 00:50:29,742 particularly these privacy requirements as outlined by the federal commissioner 657 00:50:29,742 --> 00:50:37,902 and the provincial commissioner. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. For all 658 00:50:37,902 --> 00:50:40,742 of the Hamilton public listening. So that was a discussion 659 00:50:40,742 --> 00:50:45,327 that we are having. As. The board about different reports 660 00:50:45,327 --> 00:50:49,487 about privacy concerns with body ward cameras, not negating the 661 00:50:49,487 --> 00:50:53,007 importance of them. But thinking about how do we incorporate. 662 00:50:54,852 --> 00:51:02,040 This innovation in a safe way. And. I wanted to. 663 00:51:03,703 --> 00:51:06,133 Add. One thing highlighting for the members of the public 664 00:51:06,133 --> 00:51:07,973 that this is going to be on the agenda. For 665 00:51:07,973 --> 00:51:13,613 the September meeting, then. My comments last meeting about having 666 00:51:13,613 --> 00:51:15,893 enough notice for members of the public to come and 667 00:51:15,893 --> 00:51:18,493 to raise any concerns, if they have them, or to 668 00:51:18,493 --> 00:51:24,114 engage with the board about this. There is also. An 669 00:51:24,114 --> 00:51:28,782 additional note in the privacy commission. Of Canada report about 670 00:51:28,782 --> 00:51:34,176 body wearing cameras. Was that 2017? I think was the 671 00:51:34,176 --> 00:51:40,015 year on that report. But it talked about. A privacy 672 00:51:40,015 --> 00:51:45,358 impact assessment. And I know that that was done. For 673 00:51:45,358 --> 00:51:51,427 the license plate. Car cameras. But can we have a 674 00:51:51,427 --> 00:51:55,793 privacy impact assessment done? In advance. I think that would 675 00:51:55,793 --> 00:52:01,111 help inform all of our decisions going forward, too. Chief, 676 00:52:01,111 --> 00:52:03,791 are you okay with that? I think you already. Absolutely. 677 00:52:03,791 --> 00:52:05,911 Thank you very much. And we have followed that procedures 678 00:52:05,911 --> 00:52:08,991 and all of our adoptions of the technology. And this 679 00:52:08,991 --> 00:52:11,471 is an outward facing as we have agreed at the 680 00:52:11,471 --> 00:52:15,845 board, that to improve public trust, Provide adequate and timely 681 00:52:15,845 --> 00:52:18,725 evidence, but also to have an unbiased record of our 682 00:52:18,725 --> 00:52:22,245 interactions to make sure we have community and officer safety. 683 00:52:22,245 --> 00:52:25,085 So, yes, we will achieve that with our report back. 684 00:52:25,085 --> 00:52:28,589 To the board. And once again, I just like to 685 00:52:28,589 --> 00:52:32,589 note the contribution of our administrator in this to get 686 00:52:32,589 --> 00:52:37,229 ready. For this. She's drafting minutes, drafting motions. She's also 687 00:52:37,229 --> 00:52:42,642 been on the phone confirming. What other of the Big 688 00:52:42,642 --> 00:52:46,667 twelve are doing in Ontario. Most have started the same 689 00:52:46,667 --> 00:52:50,427 process. We're down because we started down this road because 690 00:52:50,427 --> 00:52:53,363 there were grants available, so. They had access to the 691 00:52:53,363 --> 00:52:56,963 same grants for license, and that's where we're headed. But 692 00:52:56,963 --> 00:53:00,003 great work once again by Kirsten. And thank you for 693 00:53:00,003 --> 00:53:03,283 the positive input, all of you. Now. I'll call a 694 00:53:03,283 --> 00:53:09,398 question, if that's okay. Those in favor? Opposed. Passed. Thank 695 00:53:09,398 --> 00:53:19,218 you. Hold on. We got to go back 696 00:53:19,218 --> 00:53:27,971 to here. Okay. Number 13. Adjournment. 697 00:53:29,651 --> 00:53:36,914 Pardon me. You're right. I'm sorry. I did promise. Member 698 00:53:36,914 --> 00:53:41,730 Menace? She could have five minutes. I'd say three, because 699 00:53:41,730 --> 00:53:43,530 I really wanted to do this under 2 hours, but 700 00:53:43,530 --> 00:53:46,330 you can. Have five of something she wanted to bring 701 00:53:46,330 --> 00:53:48,890 up that a number of the board members were involved. 702 00:53:48,890 --> 00:53:50,610 And it's something we're going to deal with down the 703 00:53:50,610 --> 00:53:58,204 road. The floor is yours. Member Menesis? Thank you. And 704 00:53:58,204 --> 00:54:03,226 for members of the public. This was related to. Item 705 00:54:03,226 --> 00:54:09,640 eleven point ten from. The June board meeting. And I 706 00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:18,617 apologize that I didn't. Speak up in time. To outline 707 00:54:18,617 --> 00:54:22,643 a comment and a question or a clarification. And so 708 00:54:22,643 --> 00:54:30,186 this was regarding. The February 13 motions that. They emerged 709 00:54:30,186 --> 00:54:33,826 from our learnings, from the experiences from the February 2024 710 00:54:33,826 --> 00:54:41,210 special budget. Deliberations, right? And those learnings being that the 711 00:54:41,210 --> 00:54:45,981 budget recommendations should also be informed by the actual. Service 712 00:54:45,981 --> 00:54:50,938 providers. The police service. And that they should be made 713 00:54:50,938 --> 00:54:58,013 in collaboration with the service. And. That. Really? This motion 714 00:54:58,013 --> 00:55:03,898 included. An ask to report back. On certain policies that 715 00:55:03,898 --> 00:55:09,249 were in the budget. Motions that member Cretch and I 716 00:55:09,249 --> 00:55:14,019 had put forward. That included merging certain departments with city 717 00:55:14,019 --> 00:55:17,459 of Hamilton departments. And thank you for outlining a detailed 718 00:55:17,459 --> 00:55:21,420 report of that. That was very helpful. It included, like, 719 00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:24,820 clarification on reporting ratios. And so thank you for that 720 00:55:24,820 --> 00:55:29,220 clarification. It has really increased my understanding of reporting ratios. 721 00:55:29,220 --> 00:55:32,020 My visit with the communications team also helped increase my 722 00:55:32,020 --> 00:55:35,500 understanding of the complexities of reporting ratios in different departments 723 00:55:35,500 --> 00:55:39,224 in context, within the Hamilton Police Service. And then the 724 00:55:39,224 --> 00:55:42,344 last one was by talking about the mounted units. And 725 00:55:42,344 --> 00:55:44,624 I want to just highlight here that this was informed 726 00:55:44,624 --> 00:55:48,744 by the substantial like 10% of the over 100 written 727 00:55:48,744 --> 00:55:58,213 delegations. To the special budget meeting. Talked about. The mounted 728 00:55:58,213 --> 00:56:04,124 unit, right? And. This was not. A direction on an 729 00:56:04,124 --> 00:56:07,811 operational decision, but really. It was asking for a report 730 00:56:07,811 --> 00:56:13,274 on the feasibility or the unfeasibility of doing so. That 731 00:56:13,274 --> 00:56:16,606 the motion. When it was proposed at the board meeting, 732 00:56:16,606 --> 00:56:18,686 had the opportunity for the chief to speak to the 733 00:56:18,686 --> 00:56:23,052 feasibility. And you asked for a bit more time. To 734 00:56:23,052 --> 00:56:30,845 provide that report. The reason. Why a number of members 735 00:56:30,845 --> 00:56:32,765 of this board voted for this motion, even though we 736 00:56:32,765 --> 00:56:37,201 have very different views on this. Was to increase our 737 00:56:37,201 --> 00:56:42,743 communal understanding of the mounted unit, right? And to also 738 00:56:42,743 --> 00:56:45,023 increase the community understanding of the mantra units. So the 739 00:56:45,023 --> 00:56:47,343 way I see it is that was an opportunity for 740 00:56:47,343 --> 00:56:52,903 your expert opinion. On the operationals, on the operations side 741 00:56:52,903 --> 00:56:57,072 of the police service. To explain to us why he 742 00:56:57,072 --> 00:57:00,232 felt this unit provided a service that was invaluable. Right. 743 00:57:00,232 --> 00:57:04,072 That was more important than all the other member mannetsis. 744 00:57:04,072 --> 00:57:08,586 We're going far. Down a rabbit hole here again. You 745 00:57:08,586 --> 00:57:12,471 got 30 seconds. Okay. So for me, it was an 746 00:57:12,471 --> 00:57:14,911 opportunity to share your knowledge, to increase understanding, and to 747 00:57:14,911 --> 00:57:18,991 help bring our increasingly fractured communities together in finding common 748 00:57:18,991 --> 00:57:24,104 ground. And I will say that. I felt hurt by 749 00:57:24,104 --> 00:57:28,836 your response. That stated that this was an operational decision. 750 00:57:30,070 --> 00:57:34,463 At no point was the motion intended. To direct you 751 00:57:34,463 --> 00:57:40,039 operationally. But rather. To gain a better understanding from your 752 00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:43,453 point of view. I'm making one single comment on my 753 00:57:43,453 --> 00:57:46,373 feelings when I read this. That does not negate all 754 00:57:46,373 --> 00:57:50,681 of the rest of our positive interactions. I'm simply trying 755 00:57:50,681 --> 00:57:54,700 to be open, that I felt. A bit dismissed by 756 00:57:54,700 --> 00:57:57,740 asking for more information on the mount. Not receiving it, 757 00:57:57,740 --> 00:58:03,674 and I'm saying this in light of. The mirrored concerns 758 00:58:03,674 --> 00:58:06,794 or questions about the magic unit that informed this motion 759 00:58:06,794 --> 00:58:11,753 in the first place. If I have misread. Your response? 760 00:58:14,892 --> 00:58:22,964 I humbly ask for clarification. Thank you. Chief. Thank you 761 00:58:22,964 --> 00:58:26,484 very member mennas and through the chair. At no time 762 00:58:26,484 --> 00:58:30,084 would I want to diminish. Your opinion or anything, but 763 00:58:30,084 --> 00:58:34,244 I chose not to discern or make assumptions, I guess. 764 00:58:34,244 --> 00:58:36,284 In it. I went to the letter of. What is 765 00:58:36,284 --> 00:58:39,564 the request of the motions to be fair? Those motions. 766 00:58:43,137 --> 00:58:46,057 Are also on the heel of over 60 other questions 767 00:58:46,057 --> 00:58:50,269 that we have responded which had comprehensive responses. All in 768 00:58:50,269 --> 00:58:54,514 there, so. This was a response to the board specific 769 00:58:54,514 --> 00:58:56,991 to the motion language. Thank you. 770 00:59:05,179 --> 00:59:09,054 Thank you for clarification. And responding to the letter of 771 00:59:09,054 --> 00:59:13,108 the word. I suppose all that we can ask for. 772 00:59:15,530 --> 00:59:19,393 And. I would not be doing my job in terms 773 00:59:19,393 --> 00:59:23,674 of. Raising my voice and my concern as a board 774 00:59:23,674 --> 00:59:28,846 member. That I had questions about the mounted units, and 775 00:59:28,846 --> 00:59:32,325 thank you for clarifying for me. And the only thing 776 00:59:32,325 --> 00:59:34,405 I would ask, and through the chair is that anytime 777 00:59:34,405 --> 00:59:37,965 you can come to any of our operating. Operations units. 778 00:59:37,965 --> 00:59:40,925 As you've already availed yourself on some, I'm confident that 779 00:59:40,925 --> 00:59:43,445 we could encourage you to come to the mounted unit 780 00:59:43,445 --> 00:59:46,005 and see also what our marine unit, our k nine 781 00:59:46,005 --> 00:59:48,685 unit and all the other amazing units that we have 782 00:59:48,685 --> 00:59:52,185 in our organization, I welcome you to do that. Thank 783 00:59:52,185 --> 01:00:00,885 you. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. That completes the agenda 784 01:00:00,885 --> 01:00:09,676 for today. Kind of have a motion to adjourn, please. 785 01:00:12,038 --> 01:00:15,849 We did, so we didn't do bad. Thank you. And 786 01:00:15,849 --> 01:00:19,836 once again I will say, This agreement is not disrespect. 787 01:00:20,908 --> 01:00:26,266 That said, we're about to go into the budget. And 788 01:00:26,266 --> 01:00:27,586 a lot of this stuff is going to come up 789 01:00:27,586 --> 01:00:30,626 again. There's going to be ample time for you to 790 01:00:30,626 --> 01:00:33,226 be part because you're on the budget committee. There is 791 01:00:33,226 --> 01:00:35,666 ample time for you to look into these things and 792 01:00:35,666 --> 01:00:38,386 ask all the questions that you want and your number 793 01:00:38,386 --> 01:00:42,209 one target is sitting right up there. She's got her 794 01:00:42,209 --> 01:00:45,569 calculator out and her computer ready to go, so I 795 01:00:45,569 --> 01:00:48,169 encourage you to ask the questions. But just remember, when 796 01:00:48,169 --> 01:00:51,440 we come to the board. We're not going into individual 797 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,960 items. That discussion is over, and we are moving ahead 798 01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,419 with. What we say that we want the chief to 799 01:00:58,419 --> 01:01:00,899 take to city Councillor because he has to go. And 800 01:01:00,899 --> 01:01:04,316 justify it. Can I have a motion to adjourn, please? 801 01:01:05,975 --> 01:01:10,518 Thank you, Mr. Deputy. All in favor. Thank you. We 802 01:01:10,518 --> 01:01:13,958 are done. We will meet again on the 26 September. 803 01:01:13,958 --> 01:01:14,198 Thank you.