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[0:01] We have two things on the agenda at this evening. We have a special exception, a six-pillabury road, and we have a re-hearing request for 156 Central Street. We will be starting with 26-pillabury road. This is map 11, watt 019, for a special purpose.
[0:31] exception.
[0:35] Mr. Chairman, did you want to appoint someone to vote in Rick McQuestan's absence?
[0:40] Oh, that's right. I'm sorry. Rick McQuestan, our regular board member is not here this evening.
[0:46] So tonight voting for this will be Neil Emerson, Paul LaRachelle, Jay Demando, my salt, Kevin
[0:54] and he's things, Dale Blaine, so the alternate is Paul LaRacha.
[0:59] OK, so just OK.
[1:01] Paul, yep.
[1:02] So you'll be voting on this case.
[1:06] Neil Ridg, you mean?
[1:08] No, no, no.
[1:08] No.
[1:09] He's a normal member.
[1:10] He's a normal member.
[1:11] Well, he'll be.
[1:12] Not a normal member, but a regular member.
[1:16] Well, as long as I know, I won the election with my husband.
[1:18] That's what I said.
[1:19] You're a regular member.
[1:20] Full time.
[1:20] The members are receiving a Neil Ridg,
[1:24] Jake
[1:34] Thank you so basically I just want to say that the spirit of the audience will be meant
[1:40] met.
[1:42] I intend to not, you know, devalue anybody's property, I just, I'm just going up staying within
[1:48] in the foundation, and excuse me, yes.
[1:53] Keep being rolled out on the right thing.
[1:55] If you want to just tell us what you're gonna do for us
[1:57] and then we'll get right into, you know.
[2:00] I'm adding the second floor.
[2:01] So you're the owner, not the contract.
[2:04] I'm the owner.
[2:05] Okay.
[2:06] I'm the owner of the home.
[2:08] I'm adding bedrooms upstairs for my daughters.
[2:10] I need more room.
[2:11] These are all old camps as you guys know in that area.
[2:14] And I just grow and family needs more room.
[2:16] and I just intended to go up right over the existing foundation to add bedrooms upstairs
[2:21] for my children. Okay.
[2:24] You submitted plans for us. Yes, sir. How many bedrooms? Am I
[2:31] adding? Yeah. Oh, putting upstairs because you're not adding. Two in a playroom. Two in a
[2:38] playroom. Okay. In a bathroom up there too? In a bathroom, yes. Sorry.
[2:47] Full. Yes.
[3:01] So you're
[3:02] changing any of the footprint at all.
[3:04] No, sir.
[3:04] We're going directly up above.
[3:06] Yep.
[3:09] All
[3:12] of your subjects stay the same in that part.
[3:15] Even though it's a non-conquering lot.
[3:17] Yep.
[3:17] So you have no encroachment anywhere else there.
[3:19] Right.
[3:24] And if I'm not mistaken, this is Zone.
[3:27] This isn't Ruxon B, right?
[3:29] Right.
[3:29] Zone.
[3:30] Zone.
[3:31] If I could speak Kevin?
[3:32] Yes.
[3:33] Really felt bad, Senator.
[3:34] here because it meets all the requirements of zone A, just unfortunate that it's short
[3:40] on frontage, short on lot size, so according to the ordinance, existing non-conforming,
[3:47] alteration, substantial alteration, you know, so I had a summons before you, you guys.
[3:52] That's how I'm waiting.
[3:53] I haven't seen anything.
[3:56] Okay, on the board, they have any questions.
[4:01] Excuse me, sir.
[4:02] What doesn't it mean?
[4:04] You said it meets the requirements except one.
[4:08] Excuse me?
[4:09] What doesn't mean the requirements except?
[4:11] You said it doesn't mean certain requirements.
[4:12] What are those?
[4:13] Oh, the lot was lacking.
[4:15] Why not?
[4:16] Because the lot was subdivided.
[4:18] I believe in the 30s or 40s.
[4:24] How much does it have and how much is it supposed to have?
[4:28] I think it's like a hundred and we're 150's required.
[4:31] Okay.
[4:33] Oh yeah, it's going to be fine.
[4:34] I get it.
[4:35] That would be fine.
[4:37] We do.
[4:39] We rely on them.
[4:47] Oh, do you have any questions?
[4:50] I'm assuming septic is up to...
[4:54] As far as I know, yeah, everything was fine.
[4:57] And so basically I'm getting rid of a full bathroom downstairs and just making one upstairs
[5:04] for the girls.
[5:06] And basically, you're getting rid of the bedrooms downstairs.
[5:09] Yes, the bedrooms will be gone.
[5:10] Making the rooms bigger.
[5:12] And the bedroom will just go on upstairs for the girls.
[5:14] If I could speak in again.
[5:16] Yes.
[5:16] The septic.
[5:18] I believe the history of the property when I look back.
[5:21] It's got a relatively new septic system because I believe the property went before closure
[5:25] years ago and changed hands and when I looked in the file it's got it it's got a nice
[5:31] modern septic plenty of room in the back yard for it so they should be fine with that.
[5:36] Okay.
[5:43] Anybody else in the board have any questions?
[5:46] Daily good?
[5:47] Daily good?
[5:49] How about you Pam?
[5:51] Any questions?
[5:52] Daniel?
[5:52] I'll be.
[5:53] Thanks.
[5:54] And the audience is really funny that I would like to speak.
[6:04] I'm Lauren News, I live at two odd fellows roads, so I'm in a butter to this property
[6:11] and reading the ordnance and what was just explained, what was proposed to do.
[6:17] I have no problems as in a butter, so I hope you approve that.
[6:23] Thank you very much.
[6:28] The last question?
[6:30] Yes, yes.
[6:35] Excuse
[6:39] me.
[6:39] I would like to ask a question.
[6:39] You could just read through the criteria of
[6:44] the special exception.
[6:51] Which part of the—am I reading here?
[6:53] I just the alteration or enlargement part,
[6:56] but as the alteration or enlargement of a structure
[6:59] or a non-conforming lot,
[7:01] But as long as there's no demunation of surround property values in the view of the board adopted 12, 17, 1968, no, yeah, I plan to stay within those guidelines.
[7:20] You're welcome.
[7:21] Okay,
[7:29] take a couple of minutes and we're going to actually need a motion for you.
[7:35] Now you're going to complete your worksheets first and then do a motion.
[7:38] So we're going to complete some worksheets, we're going to do some paperwork here and we'll
[7:43] be back again in a minute.
[7:45] For
[10:09] a special exception.
[10:10] Yes.
[10:13] I'd like to make a motion to grant a special exception to the terms of Article I, Section
[10:20] Section 2, colon 1, B2, of the zoning ordinance to permit the alteration or enlagment of a structure
[10:28] on a non-conforming lot for property located at 26 Pillsbury Road, map 11, lot 19 in residential
[10:36] zone A.
[10:37] I second. All
[10:43] in favor.
[10:49] There's a 30-gay window for appeals. So don't take any action until then. You can get it aligned up, but you've been approved for the project.
[11:00] Thank you. You get going.
[11:01] Your girls will be excited.
[11:24] The next order
[11:32] of business is a rehearing request.
[11:39] This is for the decision from last month from map 17.080, also known as 156 Central Street.
[11:56] So we're
[12:00] going to deliver it just amongst ourselves the board here.
[12:04] This is going to be a private hearing process.
[12:07] It's public out there, but we're not taking any testimonies
[12:11] or anything like that.
[12:12] So we're here.
[12:13] We're going to discuss the things that we look at.
[12:20] So the ones that, the members that are going
[12:24] to participate in the discussion in goal
[12:27] will be myself, J. Domando, Dale Blaine, M. Sheebie,
[12:34] and also Daniel with, Dan, Dan, with Daniel,
[12:39] McDonald's, I think, because Neil Redden
[12:43] have been accused himself from this
[12:47] hearing a little went through with it.
[12:48] How many times have a discussion,
[12:49] would I, would I have to be heard of a point of order for me?
[12:53] Say, and?
[12:54] I actually heard a point of order, if I may.
[12:57] Because before the hearing started,
[12:59] I had a discussion with Secretary
[13:01] and she's absolutely correct that it's not a trial of a novel, it's not a
[13:05] hearing of a novel, which means it's not hearing a fresh, you're only supposed to
[13:09] decide procedurally if you made mistakes or anything like that and that's the
[13:12] new evidence. You're correct, that's the case of Fisher versus Boschman, 121
[13:17] REM, 438. You're correct in the law by the way. That's all I have to say.
[13:22] Appreciate that, Neil, thank you. So, as Neil was explaining, basically when they're
[13:29] And when they're asking for a re-hearing request, we look at it and see if we did our due diligence on that evening, you know.
[13:38] And we heard a lot of testimony from both sides.
[13:45] You know, we had all the paperwork in front of us.
[13:50] The thing that they were missing was area, right?
[13:53] Okay, so they had the frontage, they had all the setbacks,
[13:58] they could pick the well on their own property,
[14:01] they could pick the septic on their own property.
[14:05] You know, so when I look at it and, you know,
[14:07] this is my old opinion, everybody can have their say,
[14:11] is I just looked at it and thought that we,
[14:15] you know, we've just been a lot on that evening hearing a lot
[14:19] from everybody's angles, and I still look at the case
[14:22] I feel like we listened to full-size and did due diligence.
[14:29] Do you have anything to add to that?
[14:35] I don't know that you can ask.
[14:38] It's a procedural question.
[14:40] I thought if you wanted to have a reader, you had to have evidence.
[14:44] Well, yes.
[14:46] I mean, I didn't bring in that part.
[14:47] I know specifically, right?
[14:49] So when we have it say we were at the night so an applicant came in and we said not what we say no they can't just
[15:00] Let's come back next week and say, and reapply the same way. In fact, it has to be drastically changed. We wouldn't even rehear it if they said, well, we move the two feet. It would be something, you know, so for another thrust to rehear it, things would have been said on that evening. They would have had to tighten up some other areas. Maybe the problem in their case was, you know, a setback, maybe it was the size of the addition. They would have had to drastically change that.
[15:26] We've had, for example, we've had an ADU in here
[15:29] asking for 1,400 square feet.
[15:31] We didn't give it to him.
[15:32] He didn't come back to the receiving of other plans.
[15:37] Because even in that, it's either it was going to be,
[15:40] he needed that size or it wasn't going to work.
[15:41] He couldn't come back that 1,000 square foot, 80.
[15:45] It wasn't going to work, most likely.
[15:49] So to your procedural question, yes,
[15:52] I would say that it would have to be something
[15:54] drastically different.
[15:57] Pan, do you have anything?
[16:03] Daniel? Yeah, I actually do. So, I didn't vote the last hearing. Correct, I was the observed.
[16:10] It controlled me that neither lot made the minimum requirement. Like, I feel like at least
[16:16] one of them should have, I don't know, that's my, okay,
[16:24] it's close, I mean, right, 43,000,
[16:26] but, right.
[16:29] Can I answer that or no?
[16:31] Sure.
[16:31] Are we discussing?
[16:34] So, the way I looked at it was, let's start at the beginning so she wants, they want to
[16:42] have two separate lots.
[16:44] So where's the well going to go and the well is going there and the well meets, first
[16:50] First of all, where's the building going to go?
[16:52] And they already have a site for the building.
[16:54] And then the well was going to go with certain place.
[16:56] And the well itself is meeting the requirements of 75 feet.
[17:02] So what about the septic?
[17:03] The septic is meeting the requirements.
[17:05] So what's the issue then?
[17:07] It has tons of frontage.
[17:09] You know, I'm thinking this got to be something.
[17:12] And the problem is, the lot's too small.
[17:14] It's not, it has nothing to do that, the lot of that size, that size lot, sorry, I
[17:21] burdened that incorrectly, that size lot doesn't have anything to do with the first lot,
[17:27] even though they're the owners.
[17:29] Because if that lot were smaller or bigger, it's still that size, the second lot.
[17:36] So it has nothing to do with that size, I'm the first one.
[17:39] But I do understand your comment that, or the way you noticed it, that both of them are
[17:48] too small.
[17:49] And in my opinion, since everything is met and the main, the only thing that it's missing
[17:55] is size, it's okay.
[17:58] And if the owner of that property decided to put in an ADU, an auxiliary dwelling unit,
[18:04] say she wanted to put in a garage upstairs, put in a full bath, a couple bedrooms, whatever.
[18:11] She doesn't even have to come.
[18:13] And she doesn't even have to tell her neighbors.
[18:15] I mean, it would be okay.
[18:19] So, to me, it worked.
[18:22] Also, there was a mention that evening about, you know, certain precedents.
[18:26] And what Jay just finished up with, that is, that's the precedents we're trying to avoid.
[18:31] So, we are trying to avoid, you know, then, well, if I don't have to go, then this is about
[18:36] putting it, okay?
[18:38] They came and presented a great case, and the other thing, too, is you drove down that
[18:42] street.
[18:42] I felt like a lot of sizes were consistent, even the neighbor right next to them is even smaller
[18:48] than these two that they'd be in proposed.
[18:52] You know, across the street, small, like, I mean, you know, yes, there's a lot of subdivision
[18:57] behind them that everything was required when it went in there, that those were all one acres.
[19:01] And I get the zone of it.
[19:03] But, you know, a lot of that main street, that central, that's existing.
[19:08] You know, a lot of that's existing.
[19:09] You know, if this was, hey, this was my cousin, he needed a place.
[19:12] Well, we'll put him right here, you know.
[19:13] And so, now that the zone is in here, you know, something's still out to fit.
[19:18] That's how I look at it.
[19:19] You know, me personally.
[19:20] I do, I do appreciate you looking at that, though.
[19:23] you know, because we have to look at it from all angles.
[19:27] And the other thing is, you know, even at that evening,
[19:30] you know, you could have, voting or not,
[19:34] throw that right open, you know,
[19:35] to join in in that instance.
[19:37] Yeah, it was an app, you know.
[19:38] Yeah, it would have been nice as well.
[19:40] But again, you know.
[19:41] But it's true, but at the same time, you know,
[19:44] we're looking at, you know, a case presented to us.
[19:48] We have a good hour or so of conversation in it.
[19:51] You know, and I think that, you know, in that aspect, we did a lot of digging and looking
[19:58] around.
[19:59] Oh, absolutely.
[19:59] But I mean, looking at all angles, and yeah, but I see a point on that.
[20:09] I feel like they're concerned about this a lot, right?
[20:14] If nobody in this room can tell us what being, when some of the drills, it's going to be
[20:18] exactly.
[20:18] I put not a single person, no.
[20:21] And no one, period, no.
[20:24] Period, never mind in this room, period.
[20:27] Yeah, there were no maps for underground water.
[20:30] Then you had no name, what was that, right?
[20:33] Right, yeah, there's no control in that.
[20:36] No, yeah.
[20:37] And I was far away.
[20:39] And even the lot, this way, it was leading towards central.
[20:42] Yeah, that's how I looked at that as well.
[20:44] Not to dismiss them.
[20:48] I just wanted to say make a point for the record and piggyback on what Jay had said in her
[20:58] ending statement with the changes in the legislature in the last year with the allowance of detached
[21:04] ADUs. She's perfectly correct. You could drop in a single family dwelling in that same spot
[21:11] Well, in that lot, without having to come to the sport, as long as you provide me with
[21:16] the weld, the weld drilling permit and test and the state approved septic and they're
[21:24] on their way.
[21:24] They can build on that location.
[21:27] And in that ADU of size, it wouldn't be of, it's not going to be 1000 square feet.
[21:32] Right.
[21:34] Thank you for clarifying that as well.
[21:36] Well, I guess at this point, does anybody have anything else to add to here, okay?
[21:49] Then I would like to make a motion to deny a re-hearing for a variance regarding property
[21:55] located at 156 Central Street, maps 17, lot 0, 8, 0 of residential zone A.
[22:04] Second.
[22:05] Alan Favre.
[22:07] Aye.
[22:09] I would kiss myself if you were to stay in North America.
[22:12] Thank you.
[22:13] It was 5-0.
[22:20] So
[22:24] next door of business for us, is to review the minutes, which can be inspected out.
[22:45] The only comment I have to make is on the third page.
[22:51] It says, Demandu commented that she is not a well person.
[22:56] I do feel great, okay?
[22:59] I just want to know.
[23:01] I feel good, you know, and that means like water.
[23:08] Okay.
[23:09] That's it.
[23:09] Nice catch, James.
[23:16] Well, he had said I'd like to make a motion to approve the minutes of August 5th, 2026.
[23:24] Second.
[23:26] Hello, David.
[23:27] Hi.
[23:29] All right.
[23:33] Any other comments?
[23:34] Anybody else have any minutes?
[23:36] No.
[23:37] Okay, I'd like to make a motion to adjourn the meeting.
[23:40] So.
[23:41] Yeah.
[23:42] Hello, David.
[23:42] Hi.
[23:44] Hey, thank you. Hey, thanks, Jeff. Is it Jeff?
[25:38] Did the time you put something up there?
[25:40] Did they love you?
[25:42] I'm simply the assumption that they...