1 00:01:00,239 --> 00:01:04,760 Uh we're going to start with the pledge of allegiance. 2 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:14,479 » Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 3 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:21,200 republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 4 00:01:17,759 --> 00:01:21,200 justice for all. 5 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:28,280 All right, we'll now All right, we'll now have a moment of silence. 6 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:43,360 Okay, starting at the 8:30 um public hearing. Uh the first item we have up is 7 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:49,520 2027 budget for Hancock County. I'm going to open the uh public hearing. 8 00:01:47,759 --> 00:01:55,720 Does anybody in the audience have any comment about the most important part of 9 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,720 our job, which is the budget? 10 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:04,640 » All right. Does anybody on the council have any comments about the 2021 budget? 11 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:10,160 » Uh, just to comment, if you uh use the uh summary sheet, it was changed just a 12 00:02:07,759 --> 00:02:15,920 little bit from the last one that you got, but it didn't change it 13 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:19,200 significantly. So, I move we approve. There's there's no vote today on the 14 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,760 It's next month. >> This is just a public hearing. 15 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:25,680 » Just a public hearing. >> All right. If that's all the comments, 16 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:28,879 then I'll close the public hearing and I'll move on to the next public hearing 17 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,120 item. >> Thank you. 18 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:35,891 » Uh next public hearing item is the Hancock County Solid Waste Management 19 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:38,720 District. I open the public meeting. [clears throat] 20 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:43,160 Does anyone have any comments about the budget for the Solid Waste Management 21 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,160 District? 22 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:50,879 Anyone on the council have any comments? All right, I closed the solid waste 23 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:56,480 management district budget meeting and we'll have a vote next month on it. 24 00:02:53,920 --> 00:03:03,280 Uh, the last one for the budget is the Hancock County Public Library. I open 25 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:09,400 the public hearing for any comments from the audience about the budget for the 26 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,400 Hancock County Public Library. 27 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:17,040 Anyone from the council have any comments? 28 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:21,200 All right, I will close the public hearing for the public library budget 29 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:24,800 and we will vote on that I believe next month. 30 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:28,000 All right, the next ones do have uh we will be voting on which is the public 31 00:03:26,239 --> 00:03:31,760 hearing additional appropriations. The first one which we've discussed before 32 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:35,519 is fund 7201 food and beverage to appropriate $150,000. 33 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:40,280 I'll open the public hearing for any comments from the audience or anybody in 34 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,280 the public. 35 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:46,319 Anybody from the council have any comments? 36 00:03:44,799 --> 00:03:49,680 Not hearing any, I'll close the public hearing and entertain a motion. 37 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:55,360 » I'll entertain the mo or I'll make the motion for fund 7201 food and beverage 38 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:59,439 for $150,000. >> So moved. Second. 39 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:04,400 » I have a motion, a second. Any comments? All those in favor say I. I. Any oppose? 40 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:09,519 Same sign. Motion carries. >> All right. The final item for the public 41 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:15,040 hearing is fund 8892 title 4E foster care in the amount of $6,400. I open the 42 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:20,000 public hearing for any comments. 43 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:24,880 Anything from the council? Not hearing any, I close the public 44 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:31,120 hearing and we'll entertain a motion. >> Motion to approve the public defender 45 00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:33,600 juvenile poverty expense for $6,400. >> Second. 46 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:37,919 » I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say I. I. Any oppose? Same 47 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:42,800 sign. Motion carries. That concludes our public hearing items for 8:30. 48 00:04:40,998 --> 00:04:48,880 » [clears throat] >> Next up, 8:45, we have Fortville Area 49 00:04:45,759 --> 00:04:55,639 Resource Mission Farm Update. Kelly Griffy, 50 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:55,639 hope I said that. Come on forward. 51 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:05,240 » Yeah, can 52 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,240 Thank you. 53 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,680 » Thank you. 54 00:05:29,468 --> 00:05:31,488 [snorts] 55 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,400 Thank you. 56 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,240 » Hi. 57 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:05,494 » Ready to go. Okay. Hi. My name is Kelly Griffy. I'm the board president of the 58 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:08,160 Fortville Area Resource Mission [clears throat] and this is Aaron Flick. 59 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:12,639 She's on the board and she's also our daytime pantry coordinator. Um we're 60 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:16,880 here today just to um to talk to you guys about what impact farm is having on 61 00:06:15,039 --> 00:06:21,199 our community and what our future plans are. So our mission is simple. It's to 62 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:24,800 enrich our community physically, mentally, and spiritually. We want to 63 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:28,600 help the um community build a future of hope, dignity, and nourishment. 64 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:34,000 So we exist to ensure that families in Hanokai County, [cough] Engles and 65 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:38,720 Pendleton have reliable access to nutritious food, compassionate support, 66 00:06:36,479 --> 00:06:43,120 and the love of Christ. We believe that addressing hunger is only the beginning. 67 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:47,280 We want to uh do more than just hand out a bag of food. We want to provide that 68 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:52,000 physical support by giving the food but also emotional support um by having 69 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:56,240 various support groups like mental health support groups, grief support and 70 00:06:54,319 --> 00:06:59,919 help with that resource navigation, helping them um get in contact with 71 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:03,440 other organizations that can help them with other needs that they have. And 72 00:07:01,599 --> 00:07:06,639 then spiritual support. We want to make sure that we're showing the love of 73 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:10,160 Christ in everything that we do through the prayer and just that connection that 74 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:14,880 we have with our guests that come in. And uh we al during our social hour we 75 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:17,919 have um um people that come in and give testimonials or devotions, that kind of 76 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:21,560 thing. And then we have Bible studies that people can join. 77 00:07:21,919 --> 00:07:27,120 So where we've been, we've come [clears throat] a long way in I guess 78 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:31,520 now it's six years. Um we were started by um Flory May, our Vernon Township 79 00:07:29,599 --> 00:07:37,199 trustee, and five area churches got together to form a joint food pantry. 80 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:41,599 And um during COVID we uh were outside at Fortville Christian Church providing 81 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:45,759 lots of food there. And then along the way we um had our board we got our board 82 00:07:43,919 --> 00:07:50,639 together. We um hired executive director. We uh got all of our policies 83 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:55,919 and procedures into place. Uh developed a leadership team, started uh hosting 84 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:58,319 treats on Maine in Fortville. Um you know, lots of different things that 85 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,919 we've done all the through the years. And then last year we had our first 86 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:07,280 annual farm banquet. And then at the beginning of the year, we became our own 87 00:08:03,599 --> 00:08:10,080 501 um 3C nonprofit organization. We were a DBA under Fortville Christian 88 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:14,879 Church, but now we're our own organization. And then our executive 89 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:17,919 director um decided she wanted to work more in a voluntary position. So then I 90 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:21,280 stepped in to take on her responsibilities. 91 00:08:19,770 --> 00:08:24,639 [clears throat] Um some farm facts. As we were talking 92 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,280 to people, a lot of people like, "We didn't know you did that or what? We 93 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,720 don't know what you do." So we just put some things together. We are a free 94 00:08:29,039 --> 00:08:34,640 choice food pantry, so folks can come in and pick what they want. We have a meal 95 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:39,360 before each distribution, which is Tuesday lunch and then Thursday dinner. 96 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:43,599 And we provide that social interaction and uh presentations from other 97 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:48,720 nonprofits during that social hour. We help with the resource navigation. Uh we 98 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:53,120 provide and deliver uh prepack bags to local campground. Um and then elderly or 99 00:08:51,519 --> 00:08:57,519 other folks that can't get out, we deliver food to them. Uh we provide 100 00:08:55,519 --> 00:09:02,080 weekend food bags to Mount Vernon uh school corporations to students in need. 101 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:06,640 Uh right now I think we're doing 61 bags a week um that we're giving out. Uh we 102 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:10,560 host various volunteer groups for service projects, Girl Scout troops, um 103 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:14,000 school groups, you know, that kind of thing. And then we receive a lot of 104 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:17,440 fresh produce from Fortville Community Garden and local farmers. That's been 105 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:21,880 really great lately. And then again, we host Treats on Maine, downtown 106 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,880 Fortville. 107 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:28,560 And we're by no means doing this alone. We have a lot of commu community support 108 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:34,240 which is great. Now we have nine partner churches that help um and they provide 109 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:37,839 volunteers. They provide uh monetary and inindations. 110 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:42,160 Uh we have a lot of great community partners that we work with. Uh gleaners, 111 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:45,839 Midwest Food Bank, Town of Fortville, Vernon Township Trustees, and the 112 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:50,560 Community Foundation of Hancock County has really um you know played an very 113 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:54,720 important role in what we've been able to do. And then we have a lot of 114 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,800 nonprofit collaboration. We have n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n 115 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:59,040 n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n nonprofits that come in and talk during 116 00:09:56,560 --> 00:10:02,399 social hour and then we refer folks to the to them throughout uh Hancock 117 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:06,080 County. And then we have our oversight. We have our board of directors and then 118 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:09,880 we have a capital campaign campaign team that I'll talk to you about. 119 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:17,600 All right. So I'm going to share with you kind of the impact of this 120 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:22,560 partnership with so many community partners. And um Kelly, I did want to 121 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:26,800 say feel free to ask us questions. Um and this this slide is probably one 122 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:32,560 where you might have some questions. So um yeah, don't worry about interrupting. 123 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:37,760 We're happy to answer anything. So um we've been tracking data since 2021. 124 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:42,560 Like Kelly said, in 2020, we became kind of like a COVID relief site and then 125 00:10:40,399 --> 00:10:46,079 realized like, oh, we need to be, you know, tracking who's coming and going 126 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:52,399 and especially for grants and that kind of thing, knowing um numbers. So, we had 127 00:10:49,680 --> 00:11:00,000 a full year of data for 2021. So, that's where this starts. And um you can see in 128 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:06,399 2025 alone here on the this side we impacted over 7,000 children, 3,400 129 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:11,680 seniors and over a thousand veterans that we were able to reach. So excuse 130 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:20,160 me, our numbers are really really growing. Our total number of individuals 131 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:24,240 served um in 2025 was 19,262. So that that's a lot of people that we 132 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:29,680 were able to touch and most of those just right here in Hancock County. Um as 133 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:34,399 you look through our chart of you know across the years how many people we've 134 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:39,360 impacted you'll see in 2024 we definitely had a dip in numbers and what 135 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:44,640 we realized is we needed to set some limits on who could come and visit our 136 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:52,160 pantry. um where we sit, we're very close to the Madison County line and um 137 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:57,279 we had been just, you know, if if a person came, we served them, but we 138 00:11:54,240 --> 00:12:01,839 realized like we want to focus mainly on Hancock County. So, we put in our 139 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:05,440 service restrictions of Hancock County and then they can also come to us if 140 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:10,480 they live in Engles and Pendleton because that's very close to where we 141 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:15,920 are. Um, so once we put in that service area, our numbers did dip. Um, but we 142 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:20,959 were we were okay with that because we feel like that's more the people were 143 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:26,800 wanting to impact and wanting to serve. And then in 2025, um, so we operate 144 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:31,839 currently out of Fortville Christian Church and they had let us use their 145 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:37,839 worship s their worship center for food distribution. Um and we you know we 146 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:41,440 distribute on Tuesdays and Thursdays that was becoming a lot. So they were 147 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:46,079 very generous and said well you can have our fellowship hall. So then we moved 148 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:52,560 back to fellowship hall at the end of 2024 and you can see in 2025 that was a 149 00:12:49,279 --> 00:12:57,519 smaller space. And so we also can see some numbers dip because we're just a 150 00:12:54,560 --> 00:13:01,839 little more crowded and um we have long lines. People like coming to us. They 151 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:06,240 like the food that we give out. But um sometimes standing in those lines are 152 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:10,639 hard. So that's um the explanation of why some of those numbers are a little 153 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:18,000 lower, but we know with um eventually a bigger space uh we will have capacity to 154 00:13:13,839 --> 00:13:22,959 serve quite a bit. Um but we have noted the amount the value of the groceries 155 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:29,360 each household is getting has gone up significantly each year. Um, and and 156 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:34,399 really honestly, so 2025 was 155 a week is kind of what we estimate. 157 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:39,519 We're giving fresh meat, fresh produce, milk, eggs. I think this year it's 158 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:44,000 probably almost even close to $200 a week worth of food that they're getting. 159 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:51,200 Um, and our guests are allowed to come once a week. So, uh, that's impactful. 160 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:55,279 Um, our inind donations have gone up significantly as we've added partners. 161 00:13:53,519 --> 00:14:01,120 We have more volunteers, more partner churches. Um, now we partner with 162 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:07,920 gleaners in Midwest, so we're able to get a lot more um free items. So last 163 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:14,399 year we had over a half million dollars of inind donations of um food, hygiene, 164 00:14:12,079 --> 00:14:19,360 cleaning products, that kind of thing. And then our number of volunteers has 165 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:23,440 gone up significantly, too. So, but these aren't just numbers. their 166 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:28,800 families that were, you know, that are trying to make ends meet. Children who 167 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:33,760 need consistent meals, seniors choosing between food and medication, and every 168 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:39,040 week we have the opportunity to step inside those stories. Our programs are 169 00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:44,639 continuing to to expand as we meet those needs. Um, we'll talk a little more. We 170 00:14:42,079 --> 00:14:48,639 serve a meal before every distribution so they can come and have fellowship 171 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:53,360 time. Here are our speakers during fellowship time and have that meal. And 172 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:58,639 um like Kelly said, we partner with local schools. We're providing we call 173 00:14:55,440 --> 00:15:02,959 them backpack sacks. Um the food bags that go over the weekend home with the 174 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:10,040 kids. So farm is becoming more than a food pantry. It's becoming a central hub 175 00:15:05,839 --> 00:15:10,040 of support and connection. 176 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:21,279 So, here are just some kind of fun fun pictures. Um, this uh the first picture 177 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:26,079 there with like the wooden backdrop. That is where we do our fellowship hour. 178 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:29,920 Again, that's um in the multi-purpose room at Fortville Christian Church. 179 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:35,440 They've given us that space, but we can have up to I I mean 80 maybe even 100 180 00:15:33,279 --> 00:15:41,040 people if we really squeeze in there. Um, and so I think this picture was a we 181 00:15:38,399 --> 00:15:46,000 do a Christmas in July. Um, and so that's what was happening in that. And 182 00:15:42,959 --> 00:15:50,959 then just some of our guests. Um, we also have pictured some volunteers. We 183 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:57,040 have Girl Scout groups, a lot of local church groups, all sorts of people that 184 00:15:53,440 --> 00:16:02,480 come. Um, the Mount Vernon Honor Society, they are often their kids are 185 00:15:59,519 --> 00:16:06,000 coming and helping us with things. So, and then again just some guests and 186 00:16:04,399 --> 00:16:10,959 volunteers. Um, so a lot of a lot of fun things 187 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:16,959 happen. And I'm just going to read to you a couple quotes. We uh asked um some 188 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:22,800 guests and volunteers just, hey, what do you think of farm? And I have two guest 189 00:16:19,199 --> 00:16:27,680 quotes. Uh, female says, "Farm helps me with food for my family, but being here 190 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:33,759 with other people, my friends, and feeling closer to God is what means the 191 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:38,240 most. I'm in such a better place here. I've learned so much with the guest 192 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:43,440 speakers and Bible studies." And then one of our male guests says, 193 00:16:41,199 --> 00:16:47,920 "It's supplemented my groceries and helped me out so much. The people here 194 00:16:46,079 --> 00:16:52,959 are very friendly and that has ultimately kept me coming back. This is 195 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:59,519 above and beyond a food pantry with social hour food and devotionals. So 196 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:03,519 that that's what means the most to us is that you know people are coming they're 197 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:08,039 lonely they need social interaction and they're coming and they're finding that 198 00:17:05,039 --> 00:17:08,039 here. 199 00:17:09,039 --> 00:17:16,799 So we know the demand is rising. I'm sure you have heard that too. Um, pantry 200 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:23,360 visits have increased over the years, but also so is our community support. 201 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:29,679 Um, so the numbers are are telling this story of incredible community support 202 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:36,160 and trust in farm. Since 2021, our inind donations have increased um, 203 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:41,520 drastically. Our volunteer base has tripled. And this growth isn't just 204 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:46,320 data. It represents thousands of bags of food of groceries, hundreds of prayers, 205 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:49,320 and a community that really says we care. 206 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:57,679 But we know there's a growing need. We work very closely with the Vernon 207 00:17:55,280 --> 00:18:04,960 Township trustee um that she that's currently Flory May. Um and so Vernon 208 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:12,400 Township is McCordsville and Fortville. and um they've identified that they have 209 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:17,760 1,870 people that rely on SNAP just in Vernon 210 00:18:15,679 --> 00:18:24,400 Township and these were 2025 numbers. So I imagine that went up. Um the Mount 211 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:31,120 Vernon schools, we work closely with their counselors too and they're telling 212 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:35,440 us so many families in need. Um and so just the need is rising and then you 213 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:40,320 know food costs are rising, housing costs are rising, cost of medication is 214 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:45,280 rising, all of that and um it's really making it hard for people to to make 215 00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:50,880 ends meet. So the Vernon Township Trustees reported that in 2025 216 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:56,559 they helped with like household assistance or they helped assistance 217 00:18:53,039 --> 00:18:59,679 with 70 households in Fortville and 88 in McCordsville. And that was really 218 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:07,039 interesting. They're seeing their McCordsville need increase greatly. 219 00:19:03,919 --> 00:19:13,520 Um so food insecurity leads to all sorts of other problems. They're feeling, you 220 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:17,679 know, alone. Um isolation, anxiety, but farm is there along with other 221 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:23,880 nonprofits that partner with us and just providing a really comprehensive safety 222 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,880 net to meet that need. 223 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:29,679 So, we want to be able to address the increase and be there and have that 224 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:33,919 capacity. So, we know we have a bottleneck. So, our current space, um, 225 00:19:32,559 --> 00:19:37,600 you know, it's the Fortville Christian Church has been very generous, but we've 226 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:42,240 outgrown that space. So, it limits how much food we can safely receive, unpack, 227 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:46,080 sort, and [cough] distribute. Um, we have a lot of older uh, volunteers, and 228 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:49,360 it's really hard for them to, you know, get everything where it needs to be. Um, 229 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:53,440 it limits our service area. We would like to not have to have any limits. uh 230 00:19:51,919 --> 00:19:56,799 creates long wait times in crowded areas. We have a lot of folks that'll 231 00:19:54,880 --> 00:20:02,240 wait outside because they can't be in a crowded area or maybe not even come. Um 232 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:06,640 and we lack that private space for, you know, like any confidential kind of uh 233 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:11,120 conversations and that prayer in the um quiet areas. And then it limits space 234 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:16,559 for other nonprofits to come and provide their services on a routine basis. 235 00:20:14,383 --> 00:20:20,160 [clears throat] And just recently um we had a community needs assessment done. 236 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:24,799 Um, we had a college student reach out that they needed to do a project and um, 237 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:28,320 so she did this for us and it was really awesome. Um, she did two things. One 238 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:32,159 thing was just looked at all the zip codes of all of our guests and kind of 239 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:36,320 analyzed uh, who was coming. So we served Fortville, McCordsville, 240 00:20:33,679 --> 00:20:40,480 Pendleton and uh, Greenfield are the the biggest, you know, areas where people 241 00:20:38,159 --> 00:20:45,039 come and then she um, asked all her guests that came um three questions. We 242 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:49,679 had a survey one, what are some positive ways farm um the farm pantry serves you 243 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:53,039 that should be um that would be important to include in the new building 244 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:57,840 and then what are some areas we could improve on and then just anything in you 245 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:01,200 know in general. So what the guests value most where mo a lot of them just 246 00:20:59,919 --> 00:21:05,840 said you're doing a great job don't need to change things. Um some like our 247 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:10,559 volunteers are very uh friendly and welcoming. Um ability to choose their 248 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:14,480 own food had a lot of gratitude and appreciation. Uh they like the guest 249 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:19,360 speakers and the testimonials and the social hour. Some areas for improvement. 250 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:24,240 Um the sound system, we can work on that. Um we have long wait times, live 251 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:27,760 improvements, uh more space. They would like some additional items like pet 252 00:21:25,919 --> 00:21:32,320 food. We don't get that very often, so we're working on ways to maybe get some 253 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:34,799 pet food in in there. Um accessibility, we do have some folks that are in 254 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:39,440 wheelchairs and it's really hard for them to get around. um and more 255 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:42,880 specialty items like for diabetics and glutenfree kind of things. So, we're 256 00:21:41,679 --> 00:21:47,600 trying to figure out where we can get those kind of things. Um so, it's really 257 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:53,120 good that this this aligns what we were feeling as the volunteers and uh staff, 258 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:58,320 but then also we see that our our guests are filling it too. So, you know, our 259 00:21:55,039 --> 00:22:01,600 needs align there. Um so, this this was just a really good exercise for us to to 260 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:06,880 make sure we are meeting the community needs. 261 00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:13,200 So we have a vision, a new home for farm. Uh Fortville Christian Church has 262 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:17,440 graciously given us the land and we um envision this new new building. Um we'll 263 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:22,559 have expanded storage. We'll have refrigeration and freezer capacity will 264 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:26,880 increase and as well as other storage. Um dignity first design. We want it to 265 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:30,799 have easy navigation. We want to make sure it has includes those um warm 266 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:34,559 gathering spaces, you know, that that fosters that connection and community. 267 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,919 And it's more than a it's going to be more than a warehouse. It's going to be 268 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:42,400 a community hub. We want to have space for other nonprofits to come and provide 269 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,880 their services. You know, it's sometimes hard for people in Fortville, 270 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:48,880 Mccorsville to get all the way to Greenfield, and that's where most of the 271 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:53,679 nonprofits are. Um so we they'll come to us. So we already have uh seven letter 272 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:57,840 of intents that if they have the space, they will bring their services to the 273 00:22:55,120 --> 00:23:01,280 building. So, um, and just recently, like actually right before the floods 274 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:06,400 happened, we were working with Hancock County Co- to figure out what we can do 275 00:23:04,159 --> 00:23:09,600 when there's an emergency. Fortunately, we were a little bit late because we had 276 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:13,600 a meeting like right before the floods like so, we didn't really have a good 277 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:19,360 plan, but we were able to um provide donations to Anderson and then to our 278 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:22,400 surrounding um trustees. But we want to have a better plan. We want to have a 279 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:26,240 plan for now how we can serve the community and then how this building 280 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:29,520 could be of use when there's a when there's an emergency like that or some 281 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:33,080 you know some other emergencies. So we're working on that. 282 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:39,760 So where we're going um in 2026 we've started our capital campaign and we've 283 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:44,240 hired an architect. We're working with them right now. Our our plans are 284 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:47,679 actually pretty pretty final and we're going to be start looking at builders 285 00:23:45,679 --> 00:23:51,679 and hopefully decide decide on a builder this year and then in 2027 we'll 286 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:56,200 continue our capital campaign and then we'd like to break ground sometime next 287 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,200 year. 288 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:07,520 Okay. So, in order to make this new building happen, um we are in the 289 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:11,360 process of raising $2.5 million. And we're really excited about that. that 290 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:16,400 this building that you know you saw the picture I don't know just looking at 291 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:22,400 that we were fearful it would be a whole lot more but two and a half million is 292 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:27,840 is reasonable and we can do that. So um to build this future we've already 293 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:33,039 launched our campaign and um just kind of the breakdown of where this money is 294 00:24:30,159 --> 00:24:42,720 going 2 million is the construction cost. So, um that is, you know, the 295 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:46,559 entire building. Then we've um been working with the Hancock County 296 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:53,360 Community Foundation and they've they suggested we build in operating cost 297 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:59,120 into our capital campaign, which is really nice. Right now, um Fortville 298 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:04,000 Christian Church hasn't really charged us much as far they don't charge us 299 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:08,080 rent. we help with some electric cost and that kind of thing. Um, but we 300 00:25:06,159 --> 00:25:12,880 realized like, oh, well, it's probably is going to be a a big chunk that 301 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:19,120 operating cost. So, we appreciated um that advice and we've put that into our 302 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:23,440 campaign. And then 250,000 is for additional equipment. All the equipment 303 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:27,200 we currently have will move into the new building, but we would like a walk-in 304 00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:31,520 freezer. We're going to need, you know, different forklifts, just all all sorts 305 00:25:29,679 --> 00:25:35,840 of things. Um the the [clears throat] kitchen there will look different. We 306 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:40,400 have plans to make that a spot where we can do cooking classes and people can 307 00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:46,799 come in and learn canning or or whatever. So um you know just it'll 308 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:53,120 cause a lot more equipment. And our goal is to do all of this totally debtree. Um 309 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:58,159 we believe that's biblical and um you know we don't want to be paying interest 310 00:25:54,799 --> 00:26:05,320 on a loan. So we're waiting as the money comes in. you know, we're not going to 311 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:05,320 build until we know we have this funded. 312 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:13,760 So, um, in closing, um, you know, we just want to reiterate that farm is 313 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:17,840 serving, um, you know, families in Hancock County. We're working we're um 314 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:22,559 already collecting and distributing the hundreds of thousands of pounds of food 315 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:27,039 every every year and working with uh businesses and organizations, you know, 316 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:31,120 stepping in and helping families with unexpected hardships. Um and then like I 317 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:35,120 said, the recent flooding really reminded us that needs aren't always 318 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:39,039 predictable and we need to be ready. When a disaster happens, people can't 319 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:43,279 wait. They need help. And so we want to build that capacity and be able to step 320 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:47,520 in and help. So, we are asking the Hancock County Council to partner with 321 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:51,679 us and invest in this project. And it it's not just a investment in a 322 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:56,000 building. It's an investment in Hancock County, you know, and Hancock County 323 00:26:53,120 --> 00:27:01,039 families. Um, our request to the Hancock County Council is $250,000. 324 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:05,360 We recognize that this is a significant investment, but we believe it reflects a 325 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:10,960 significant role this facility can play in serving Hancock County um and you 326 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:16,080 know help respond to um these um unexpected hardships and also community 327 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:19,440 emergencies. We would you know welcome the um opportunity to work with the 328 00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:22,880 council on how that investment could be structured, but we would be really 329 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:27,360 honored to have Hancock County stand alongside farm um as a partner in making 330 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:31,120 that happen. So, we really thank you today for taking the time to listen to 331 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:33,760 us and considering this investment in the people of Hancock County. If you 332 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:38,559 have any questions, we would welcome those. And then also in your packet, we 333 00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:43,600 um attached a letter of support from the commissioners and uh town of Fortville 334 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:47,039 and Flory May the Vernon Township. >> I do have a question and it may have 335 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,640 been in here a lot of information. I just 336 00:27:47,679 --> 00:27:50,720 » It's a lot. Sorry. >> Where is [clears throat] the location of 337 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,880 the land? >> Um Fortville Christian Church which is 338 00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:58,240 um on 200, >> right? Yeah. 339 00:27:55,919 --> 00:28:01,600 » So, right behind there's two parsonages there. The back one's going to be torn 340 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,240 down soon. So, it'll be right there. >> So, it'll be in Fortville. 341 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,480 » Yeah, it's Fortville. >> That's very close to Mount Vernon 342 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,039 schools. >> Yeah, just down the road. 343 00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:12,399 » I know. >> How much have you raised so far? And 344 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:16,080 then how much has given been given by Fortville Town, McCory'sville Town in 345 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:22,559 Vernon Township? >> Okay. So, um, so far we're at $400,000 346 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:29,039 and that is mostly um from the board and volunteers and we had some um anonymous 347 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:34,559 donors that gave um currently we are working with Fortville um to look into 348 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:38,320 the okra um funds that are available. They they said they would sponsor us in 349 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:42,320 that. So, right now they have not actually given us any money for it, but 350 00:28:40,159 --> 00:28:46,480 working with them on that. >> What about Mordsville? [clears throat] 351 00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:51,520 » Township in McCordsville. Yeah. Yeah. Um so the township trustees, McCords, the 352 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:57,279 town of McCordsville, we've met with them, but um 353 00:28:54,080 --> 00:29:00,720 don't have um any financial, you know, um 354 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:06,320 » anything pledged. Um and the way the township trustees work, we have a 355 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:13,200 contract with Vernon Township Trustees where then they can give us contracted 356 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:17,440 funds for food, but not towards the capital campaign. What? 357 00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:24,559 » Um, and we're also been working with Thomas Lopez um from Center Township 358 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:27,760 here in Greenfield. Similar um we go out to Mohawk Campgrounds. There are people 359 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:33,120 living there >> and we deliver there every week and 360 00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:37,600 that's in Center Township and so Thomas Lopez was very interested in helping 361 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:41,600 support us. But again, that would be like a contract for food, 362 00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:48,399 » right? Right. It has to be. >> Well, go ahead. I'm assuming that you 363 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:54,240 said you um have a lot of the uh Mount Vernon school children that you're 364 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:59,600 servicing that live in McCordsville. Um so you're not getting any 365 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,559 participation from McCordsville in the project? 366 00:29:59,919 --> 00:30:03,840 » Not yet. >> Yeah. 367 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:08,559 » Not not yet. They've been really good to try to connect us to some of the new 368 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:12,480 businesses going in. Um and that's really nice. there's, you know, rumored 369 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:17,760 of some new grocery stores going in and that kind of thing and they're getting 370 00:30:14,159 --> 00:30:24,559 us connected with um that. We also have Meyer and IU Health and and Ninstar and 371 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:28,080 I mean so I see Nin Star is probably already participating, 372 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:34,320 » but yeah, you're you're probably going to have to tap [clears throat] the the 373 00:30:30,159 --> 00:30:39,360 really big um ones that are I know I use new there and uh 374 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:44,559 » contact there that we've been trying to get with someone. Mhm. If any of you 375 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,640 know like, hey, talk to this person at IU Health, we'd be happy to have that 376 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,399 contact. >> You can ask Walmart, too. 377 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:54,480 » Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] >> Yes. There's a Walmart going in. Um, 378 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:58,960 it's I think it's kind of slow going, but it's actually in Engle. 379 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,720 » There is a Walmart going service area. >> Absolutely. 380 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:05,039 » Yeah. >> Have you talked to any township trustees 381 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:08,159 over the county line? I saw you serve zip codes that go outside Hancock 382 00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:14,159 County. Have they been supportive? >> Yeah. Um, so Greg Valentine is the 383 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:18,240 township trustee for Green Township in Madison County, which is Engles and a 384 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:24,880 portion of Pendleton. And we serve a lot of his people. And um, we share data 385 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:30,320 with him, but um, as far as like a contract, we haven't done that with him. 386 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:34,960 Um, he knows to reach out to us when he has people in need. So, but yeah, 387 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:41,360 they're definitely aware. Do do the senior services uh service 388 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:47,679 quite a number of the PE I notice you've got them down as a a supporting um or a 389 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:51,440 participating uh >> yeah we we um you know we will refer 390 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:55,279 people to them >> and I think we have some folks in in 391 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:58,640 Fortville that use their transportation system 392 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:06,640 » but um is that what you mean or >> Well we we finance that for the county 393 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:11,679 and Um, most of the people that use it now are in Greenfield, but some are 394 00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:18,320 outside. I just wonder if you if we if you do this, is that going to increase 395 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:25,279 the amount of uh service that the senior services will be? Yeah, they're 396 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:30,320 » will be coming back to us to finance. Um, we've talked to them and I think 397 00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:35,039 Kelly can speak to that, but um, we've even said, you know, hey, we could be a 398 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:38,960 hub in this new building. They could park cars out there because, um, it's my 399 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:43,360 understanding that some of their volunteers like live out, say, 400 00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:47,440 Fortville, and McCordsville, but then have to drive all the way into 401 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:50,000 Greenfield to pick up the the vans and that kind of thing. And so we've said, 402 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,919 well, >> they'd be welcome to keep them, you 403 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,812 know, there and that would be a shorter drive for their volunteers. 404 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,679 » Would probably end up expanding [clears throat] 405 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:04,000 senior services probably. >> Um, their their comment just maybe a 406 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:10,399 reminder to us and to the public is that uh uh I know you have an ask of 250, but 407 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:14,399 uh to let you know that we did help in the past the food pantry here for 408 00:33:12,399 --> 00:33:18,640 100,000. So that's kind of our I think the max we've ever gone. So, just to put 409 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:21,840 it in perspective, so you know, 250 is pretty high up there for us to do. And I 410 00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:25,120 understand that's how you [laughter] ask. That's how you ask. That's how we 411 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:29,600 do as politicians. We ask for a larger number than you get. So, I I get it. 412 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:33,519 » Yeah. [laughter] We we share notes quite a bit with the Hancock County Food 413 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:38,320 Pantry. Um I mean, it really all the food pantries in Hancock County are 414 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:43,279 good. Um we do a food rescue provider call um every other month with all of 415 00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:48,640 them. And um I I did kind of mean to point out and I know Kelly noted, but we 416 00:33:45,679 --> 00:33:52,559 are also a free choice pantry, which is something that so many of our guests say 417 00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:56,559 they appreciate and that that's different than many of the other food 418 00:33:54,320 --> 00:34:02,080 pantries is they can come and do their own grocery shopping basically, not a 419 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:06,000 preack bag, you know, um they get that free choice. So that's important. 420 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,480 » Is it income restricted? >> Nope. 421 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:14,320 » Okay. You don't. The thing is Hankai County Pendleton our only restriction. 422 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,879 » Oh, okay. For residency, correct? Pan County, 423 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,679 » but no income. They don't have to verify income at all. 424 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:23,200 » And then if someone comes that's outside of our um service area, we'll let them 425 00:34:21,839 --> 00:34:26,639 go through once and then we give them information about other pantries in 426 00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:33,119 their area. Oh, the forville has its own RDC 427 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:40,639 redevelopment commission and u the restrictions on redevelopment commission 428 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:46,159 tiff money um has to be in using it in the area to support the area of the tiff 429 00:34:43,359 --> 00:34:53,040 and I would assume that that the tiff money for Fortville is 430 00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:57,440 um capable of providing capital funding for something like this too. So, if you 431 00:34:55,119 --> 00:35:03,119 haven't haven't went to the redevelopment commission in Fortville 432 00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:06,960 yet, our ours is too far away probably to to um um 433 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:10,720 » justify >> justify to make that jump for for the 434 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:13,520 local government [clears throat] finance, but Fortville's probably is 435 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,520 not. >> Okay. Okay. We'll check into that. Thank 436 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:22,400 you. Yeah, because that's where any of the new factories or any of the 437 00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:27,040 commercial stuff that's going in up there around there. Um that's where 438 00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:29,760 their tax revenue gets held up >> and and that's something we would talk 439 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,480 to the town of Fort Phillip. >> Um the there's a redevelopment 440 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,079 commission. They have their own tiff district. So 441 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,800 » their own meetings. >> They have their own meetings or 442 00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:40,960 everything. So yeah, you would you would approach them. But if if you see a new 443 00:35:39,359 --> 00:35:44,960 warehouse go up somewhere, that's where that tax revenue goes into that fund. 444 00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:48,320 » Okay. And then um >> your location would be in or serving 445 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:52,240 that tiff district, >> right? And you're right, close. We've 446 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:56,960 had to turn down volunteer fire departments that were east side of c 447 00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:00,800 county because they weren't, you know, close enough to say that they were 448 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:06,000 priority for for that. I mean, because it's Mount Comfort is where and Maxwell 449 00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:10,800 is where our tiff districts are. And so it has to has to prove that it's serving 450 00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:14,880 to that. But capital funds are one of the big things that they can use money 451 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:17,520 for, not operational stuff. >> Okay. Awesome. Thank you. 452 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:21,830 » Does your tiff cover mohawk? >> The the budget the the money derived 453 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,800 from uh the commerce within [clears throat] the tiff district. That 454 00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:28,560 budget is managed by the redevelopment commission, not the town council, you 455 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:32,160 know, at this point. So that's a separate that's going to be a separate 456 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,400 they probably appoint someone, but they don't control that budget. 457 00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:39,920 » Okay. Awesome. >> Yeah. Yeah. Were you seeking another um 458 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:43,680 letter of recommendation or did the commissioner's letter suffice for the 459 00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:48,030 county or were you uh requesting another letter of recommendation? 460 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:51,200 » Um another one would be great. [laughter] Um but I don't know I don't I 461 00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:55,359 guess I don't know for sure if that commissioners one would cover that or is 462 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:59,760 two separate entities or how that works. But 463 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:03,200 » us money versus they were wanting another letter. 464 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:04,640 I mean, if you guys think it would be helpful, 465 00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:07,359 » well, I mean, I think the only time a letter would be helpful would be is if 466 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,480 we want to do a letter, if we want to make an offer in the future, we don't 467 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:14,960 have to decide today, but to say that we'll match up to a certain amount 468 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:18,560 whatever Fortville Town gives and Mccordsville Town gives. 469 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,359 » Up to a certain amount. >> Yeah, 470 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:25,200 » we could do something like that to to try to push them to to donate, 471 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:29,440 » right? because we have a we have an issue where we provide a lot of services 472 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:33,760 for the whole county and we're not getting any of these support like from 473 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:38,480 911 or from anything else from the towns or the cities and so that's a um 474 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,320 » animal control >> animal control that's a tough deal for 475 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,880 us >> senior services 476 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:46,800 » yeah because pays nothing for animal control they don't pay anything for 911 477 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:52,480 they don't pay anything and county picks all that up and uh we've we've struggled 478 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:55,839 to get the cordsville them to participate And senior services is the 479 00:37:54,400 --> 00:38:00,160 big one right now. It's costing us hundreds of thousands a year to provide 480 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:04,800 that transportation service for the whole county. And the unincorporated 481 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:08,800 areas that we get our money from, it's only a small portion of what they do. 482 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:16,960 You know, they get mostly out of the towns. And so 483 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:22,400 » would I if the county council did um ponder this and decide to pledge uh any 484 00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:27,359 amount since they have a lot of fundraising 485 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:31,280 left to do. Would we retain the funds in house up to the point that they had 486 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:34,000 their other funding secure? >> You can do you can set it however we 487 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:37,760 want. That's why I say we don't have to decide today. We can think about it 488 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:43,720 » because it just got presented all this information today. Yeah, I'll probably 489 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,720 need to digest 490 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,720 » answer more questions >> and I can help you all. Last week was 491 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:52,880 the Indiana Hunger Summit and Rachel Brandenburgg from ISDA is the food 492 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:56,240 distribution leader. So, she can probably help connect with others that 493 00:38:54,720 --> 00:39:01,839 have done what you're doing or trying to do to get some best practices. Um, and 494 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:06,720 then Okra, I'm on the ISDA Department of A is on the same floor as okra. So, 495 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:10,720 » I can certainly walk across the floor and help connect there. So, uh, but I 496 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:15,119 think Rachel would be really good just not only with what she knows about other 497 00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:19,119 food banks, but being very involved with the Indiana Hunger Summit that was just 498 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:22,800 last week that there may be some people that know a lot more about this than I 499 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:28,560 do, but that I can help connect you with and she can to help get this to gain 500 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:32,079 some steam because I I just know a lot of people struggling to raise money. I 501 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,359 mean, just looking at that growth of the ink kind donation, that shows that 502 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:39,760 you've got something going here and there's obviously a need and so I want 503 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,640 to be able to help out where I can. >> So, do you have clerk's information? 504 00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:46,240 » No. Yeah. [laughter] >> I I've got your I can reach out to you 505 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:49,520 or if you have a card, >> but uh yeah, I have one in my my back 506 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,560 there. I can get to that. >> I just want to commend you. This is a 507 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:56,640 wonderful program and it's the basic feeding people. You can't get any better 508 00:39:54,640 --> 00:40:01,200 than that. So, you know, you you all have done a great job. Very impressed. 509 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,160 Yes, you have. >> All right. Thank you for coming and make 510 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,560 sure you get your information to Clark so he can help you out. 511 00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:08,720 » Yeah, I'll go get that real quick. >> Thank you. 512 00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:12,480 » You're welcome. >> All right. Next up for the 9:00 a.m. 513 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:16,680 time slot was request for additional appropriations. John Chakantis 514 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,040 and he's not wearing a tie. >> No. 515 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,560 » You let me down, John. >> Tie. [laughter] 516 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,520 » Don't let that fool you. >> He's got to be asking for six figures to 517 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:32,480 put the tie on. [laughter] We just ask you for 518 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:37,440 » I mean it is it actually is. So >> we have some shortages that are coming 519 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:44,320 up before the end of the year and so I have five line items uh from fund 1235 520 00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:52,320 which is our 911 lit which is very healthy um to ask for the approval to 521 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:57,040 advertise for the additional appropriations. 522 00:40:53,920 --> 00:41:02,000 is 1235 the fund where we raise the basis points. So it will be Yeah. Yeah. 523 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:06,480 There's plenty. It's Well, that was part of that's actually three of the line 524 00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:13,119 items were because we moved a position from 1222 to protect it into 1235. We've 525 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:18,480 been bouncing back and forth between those two in order to protect 1222. 526 00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:23,680 And and is your uh group insurance request of 138,000 in addition to the 527 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:28,160 650? >> No, no, no, no. That's what it gets up 528 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:31,119 to. Um >> what's it 650 now? 529 00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:35,200 » It [clears throat] was 500,000. We we left the original amount in for the 2025 530 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:38,560 budget for some reason. >> But I mean, you're asking this for the 531 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,040 27 budget, right? >> No, this is for this year. Otherwise, 532 00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:48,079 I'm not going to get >> right now. Right now that your budget 533 00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:50,000 650 for medical. >> Yeah. 534 00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:52,800 » For 12. >> That's a 27. 535 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,440 » For 27. >> No. No. This is for now. 536 00:41:54,079 --> 00:42:00,160 » He's saying 26. >> Yeah. 2026. There's only 500,000. 537 00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:02,400 » 26 to make it through 26. 538 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,040 » Yes. >> Correct. 539 00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:07,200 » Yeah. These are all for 2026 to get through. 540 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,480 » And we knew he would probably come up short. 541 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,640 » What's that? >> I said we knew you would probably come 542 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,720 up short. I we knew this from after the budget was approved, but I wanted to 543 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,680 wait. >> I wanted to wait to ask for the 544 00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:22,640 additional because of the fact we did close the gap by about 545 00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:27,920 » $40,000 because of we're still have two open spots. So that we haven't been able 546 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:31,920 to fill unfortunately for seven eight months now. So 547 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:35,599 » um you're looking for a thumbs up to 548 00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:40,640 advertise. >> Do we have a thumbs up to advertise for 549 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:43,760 the appropriations? All right. Um, before you leave, I have a question. I 550 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,760 know you're going to come to RDC tomorrow. 551 00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:52,560 » Yes, I am. >> If everybody remembers, we talked about 552 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:59,200 funding um eventually funding a person out of the 553 00:42:55,599 --> 00:43:02,000 RDC for 911 because we had these vacancies. You had to move people around 554 00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:05,119 and stuff like that and >> Right. 555 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:08,720 » and uh can you update us on that because we'll be make hope hopefully we'll be 556 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:12,800 making a decision. And I know the the commissioners have already heard it, I 557 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,680 think, and and everything and we make a decision tomorrow on that. I want 558 00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:20,480 everybody to be comfortable with it. >> This one this one is actually for the 559 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:27,680 new position, the the program or public safety program manager. Um we 560 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:34,480 like I said, we that's and that's the only position we're asking for out of 561 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:41,359 RDC. So, um, but I know Gary had programmed in about 110,000, 562 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:45,040 I think, into the RDC budget and it fits. We have a little bit of a 563 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:49,920 shortfall with the group insurance that will make up on the 12 out of the 1235 564 00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:55,359 fund. So, >> is um what else is the RDC funding 911 565 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,839 on? Anything? >> Nothing. 566 00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:59,359 » Okay. Yeah. Cuz >> you want if you want to give me more 567 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:04,880 money. >> No, no, no. I'm just always cognizant of 568 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:09,440 the percentages and everything that >> that um we have to live under uh and 569 00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:11,920 all. So um >> and we checked this out with Lisa if it 570 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,160 was >> Yeah. Yeah. 571 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,040 » Yep. We were able to do that. >> Yeah. I think the way the job 572 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:21,280 description was written, it fits within the uh within the RDC budget. So, 573 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:28,240 » and then we still have the one person that's on medical leave, but we're also 574 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:31,200 going to have uh three others on long-term leaves here shortly. So, 575 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:36,079 » well, >> my overtime is going to go from here to 576 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:39,690 » there. >> So, but we're good there. [snorts] 577 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,839 » Anything else? >> Thank [clears throat] you. 578 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:49,599 » All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. the 9:15 which is magistrate Kums 579 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:54,079 he is on the bench till 9:45 so we will uh interrupt at 9:45 and if once he gets 580 00:44:51,839 --> 00:44:56,800 here to have him come on because he's on the bench from 8:30 to noon today so 581 00:44:55,599 --> 00:45:01,040 he's going to take a break to come here for that so we'll skip to the 9:30 582 00:44:59,359 --> 00:45:04,760 environmental pollution policy Brian Breeze come on up 583 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:18,880 » morning everyone Morning. >> Um, 584 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:24,160 like to discuss a uh environmental policy for the 585 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:30,800 county. I've presented it to the commissioners and they gave a favorable 586 00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:38,319 300 vote to go ahead and come to the council and in the packet um 587 00:45:35,839 --> 00:45:43,440 what the proposal is for, we move to a self-insured retention program on the 588 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:49,040 county's insurance. And so we're we just got high deductibles and there was 589 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:53,599 limited pollution in the last one. Um when I ran a search on the county for 590 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:58,880 underground storage tanks, it showed zero. um through the research of putting 591 00:45:56,720 --> 00:46:05,760 this together. There is one that was newly installed at the and that's the ID 592 00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:10,160 IDM IDM uh database, but we have one it's a water oil separator at the 593 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:18,000 highway and then we have one for diesel tank at the um new uh the old jail, the 594 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:24,720 um community correction building now on over here. But um and then we were in 595 00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:30,240 the process of purchasing Jack and Son's property and with that 596 00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:33,839 that just brought up some more flags. We do have through the solid waste 597 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:39,520 management district the collection events and although we've required all 598 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:44,480 of the vendors to provide insurance which includes pollution coverage. I 599 00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:50,560 just thought the county overall we should just go ahead and put in a most 600 00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:54,160 most policies exclude pollution so it's always going to be a standalone and what 601 00:46:52,960 --> 00:47:01,119 you have in front of you is what they call site pollution uh proposal and at 602 00:46:58,319 --> 00:47:09,280 the time of the last meeting that I proposed um I didn't have all the county 603 00:47:06,319 --> 00:47:14,560 u data as far as how much ground and so what you see is a proposal for the 604 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:19,920 locations that we [snorts] have. Um the very bottom one where it says not 605 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:25,760 offered, that's the vacant farmhouse on 40 uh by the um gun range or across from 606 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:30,319 the sheriff's department. And so that one because it's a vacant building and 607 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:36,480 not utilized there there's no coverage for that right now. the um there is a 608 00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:41,040 lead exclusion for the gun range on the policy and that's just due to obviously 609 00:47:38,319 --> 00:47:45,839 the ammunition that's fired there. But on the [clears throat] on the proposal 610 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:51,520 and what the commissioners approved it was for 5 million. The carrier offers 611 00:47:49,359 --> 00:47:58,480 two types of payment structure. If you do it annually, uh the pricing was a 612 00:47:53,920 --> 00:48:07,319 little higher at um 38,478. Whereas if we um do a three-year policy, 613 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,319 it's um 67,57415. 614 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:17,119 That's what they favored um in the and voted for in the meeting. And kind of 615 00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:22,319 the reason behind that was uh the cost per year is lower. And the only caveat 616 00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:29,440 in going with the three-year policy is that if there is an event first year, 617 00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:34,400 um that would lower that 5 million and if it were totally exhausted, we would 618 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:41,440 have to buy a new policy. But the annual you would be reloading even if there 619 00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:47,200 wasn't an event 38478 38 478 38478. So there's quite a bit of savings with 620 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:52,400 the three-year proposal. On another note, um when you talk about claims, a 621 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:58,480 lot of times your defense costs, your attorney fees are inside the the uh 622 00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:04,559 limit. Uh these are actually outside. So there's a 1.25 million of coverage that 623 00:49:01,359 --> 00:49:10,880 is outside of the policy. So really, you're getting 6.25 million of coverage 624 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:17,680 including uh defense costs. the um underwriter and I went through um you 625 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:22,160 know kind of all the county angles and I brought up we own a lot of parcels which 626 00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:27,359 are just like strips of ground in front of different property right away right 627 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:34,559 away sections and the auditor's office was able to help me and they gave me 630 628 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:40,079 acres is the total amount I didn't have that at the time of presenting this and 629 00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:45,040 giving um the presentation to the commissioners. So, I did get that number 630 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:49,119 back and we can add all of that additional ground. It would go up to 631 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:54,880 86,139 for the three-year uh 5 million limit, 632 00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:58,240 but um I just haven't been able to get back in front of them and present. When 633 00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:01,599 I presented this to them, they said, "Did you talk to the council first?" I 634 00:49:59,839 --> 00:50:07,119 said, "Well, no. I thought I needed to come here first." So, kind of in that 635 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:11,760 mindset, I'm going to let you know what I'm presenting today. They said, "Well, 636 00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:17,599 this is would be outside of our normal budget, so if you can present to the 637 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:23,119 council, um Jim, I know you're familiar with the uh Jack and Suns because the 638 00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:27,760 Jackson oil is next to it." And I hit that hard because I said, "All right, if 639 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:32,640 that's not included on here yet because number one, we don't own it. But if we 640 00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:36,000 do buy it, they want to see the phase one and if there's a phase two, I'm not 641 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,359 sure which of those are if there's just a phase one. It's easier to add if 642 00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:45,119 there's a phase two. And then I even showed the lady um through street view 643 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:50,160 and aerial views the Jackson oil because those are above ground storage tanks. 644 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:53,440 There's less there's less worry on that property having leaks because they would 645 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:56,800 be if they're leaking above ground, they're going to be caught quicker. So 646 00:50:55,359 --> 00:51:01,760 if they were all underground storage tanks, there might be some worry about 647 00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:06,400 bleed off of on that. But we could add those once we or any property for that 648 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,920 matter if we had one that we were trying to add at a later date that had any kind 649 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:17,839 of pollution issue as long as it was cleaned up. And so um the policy again 650 00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:22,720 is a site pollution. Um with Dee, I've worked with her a lot lately on the uh 651 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:26,160 collection events. This policy would also include so if we have one at the 652 00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:31,200 church or if we have one at the junior high um it'll give us it'll extend 653 00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:35,280 coverage for the county there uh in transportation so as the vendors leave 654 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:40,880 and haul it away if there was an accident or something and it was our 655 00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:45,599 event that was involved it would provide protection for the county there and then 656 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:51,280 also at the end use or end location we would have coverage for that as well and 657 00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:54,559 um uh with the pricing the carrier I worked worked with shop multiple 658 00:51:52,880 --> 00:52:00,640 companies and this one came back most favorable um on all the above and um 659 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:05,119 I've even included the two underground storage tanks in this with the highway 660 00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:10,800 department and the jail. So those are factored in. Um 661 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:16,880 and then the property um on Jack and Sons whenever that's 662 00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:22,800 added they just have to review the phase one data and FA if there is a phase two 663 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:29,280 they have to review that. But um does anyone have any questions for me on 664 00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:34,480 » Well, Brian, now [clears throat] the way I understand it is this is just 665 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:38,800 insurance for uh pollution. >> Yeah. [clears throat] 666 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:43,599 » Like you talked about um transportation. It it wouldn't cover anything but the 667 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:48,720 pollution caused by >> auto accident would not be covered like 668 00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:55,920 the vehicle uh damage. But if there was pollution per se, we the county has um 669 00:52:53,760 --> 00:53:01,119 risk transfer practices in place where any vendor we use um should have 1099. 670 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:05,599 If they file a 1099, they should have a COI on file with us. And I've worked 671 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:09,760 with DD to make sure every vendor, whether it's the tire person, the 672 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:14,160 household hazardous waste, uh the paint, we we make sure we have all their 673 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:19,280 certificates on file. And we do require pollution for those vendors as well as 674 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:23,440 automobile, general liability, uh workers comp. 675 00:53:21,676 --> 00:53:29,200 [clears throat] >> Um and did our old insurance 676 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:33,200 » it was limited coverage and with the county because the solid waste 677 00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:37,440 management district is so small like if you look at across the county our budget 678 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:45,359 for the size of the county and the and the she she's really more of a educator. 679 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:51,200 She goes out and teaches. She does 128 uh presentations a year to schools. 680 00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:56,000 » So, um but we don't have a landfill. We we really outside of again outside of 681 00:53:54,319 --> 00:54:01,359 the couple of underground storage tanks and then the collection events, we don't 682 00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:06,640 have a lot of exposure. But if we ever had somebody 683 00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:13,520 dump on a on a property, that's where I just felt the adding the 630 acres, we 684 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:18,160 have a complete coverage. And um and then the other thing I like about this 685 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:24,240 company is that any property can be added. Even though I had concerns about 686 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:30,880 Jacks um bringing it on, what's what's there? It's been a junkyard as long as I 687 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:33,440 can remember. So Salvageard. So, um, I just thought if we're bringing that on 688 00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:39,359 and as the county [clears throat] grows, Dee's mentioned Republic working with 689 00:54:35,839 --> 00:54:43,200 them on adding a collection site where people can drive through and drop stuff 690 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:48,640 off. So, I just felt we really need to expand on this. And we did make changes. 691 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:54,319 We we monitor a lot of risk within the county and uh this is just an area we 692 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:58,319 really need to um bring up to speed and with the growth um and the additional 693 00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:06,400 things that we're doing. I think it's just time that we um put this in place. 694 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:11,920 » Well, I think we need coverage. >> Well, [clears throat] I I think we need 695 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:19,119 some coverage. I'm not sure if it makes sense to cover rideaways and stuff that 696 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:24,960 in order for us to get a claim from a rideway, we would have had to dump our 697 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:30,720 own material on the rideway. If there's a traffic accident and fuel or oil or 698 00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:35,760 anything has spilled into that rideway, then the people involved in the traffic 699 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:41,599 accident have to pay for that. Okay? IDM goes specifically after those people. Um 700 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:47,920 I'm I was personally involved in a oil spill at a rideway and then I was 701 00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:51,680 responsible for for that not the county or the city or anybody else. 702 00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:57,520 » And there's [clears throat] hundreds of acres she's saying of right away 703 00:55:55,119 --> 00:56:01,680 and things like that. So and then like the there's a lot of things on here that 704 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:06,720 may not make sense and I know they charge by the acre or they they you know 705 00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:12,960 environmental uh insurance is not is not cheap. I've had to have some of it 706 00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:20,160 myself in the past. Um, if if there's at the at the shooting range, if lead 707 00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:24,480 is not uh uh if lead contamination to an adjacent property is not covered under 708 00:56:22,799 --> 00:56:26,880 the insurance, then why would you have insurance at all at the shooting? 709 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:30,079 Because they're not doing anything else out there but shooting. You know, 710 00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:36,319 there's not vehicles on that property. There's not anything that would cause 711 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:40,559 cause you to have a a claim. Um, and then if Jackson Suns is not in this, 712 00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:44,799 that's going to be a scenario of its own. It's not going to probably pass a 713 00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:47,760 phase one or phase two after you say they're done and then they would review 714 00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:54,160 it. It's not it's probably not ever going to happen. Um, so that's kind of a 715 00:56:52,079 --> 00:57:00,000 mute point to this, but that's on in addition to this. So, I I may I may 716 00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:07,200 think it's just too comprehensive for every single little bitty thing that the 717 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:13,839 county has to have um environmental insurance on. Um [clears throat] 718 00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:20,160 I've just seen as drug in other uh cases, not not pollution, that the 719 00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:24,720 county uh has big pockets and we tend to get drugged into 720 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:28,880 uh lawsuits. No, I don't. >> It just hasn't happened since I've been 721 00:57:26,319 --> 00:57:32,319 here. That's maybe or I I don't I'm not familiar with 722 00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:37,839 » cases like that. Um >> the the waste management district um 723 00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:43,760 stuff I I don't think you can blanket all of 724 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:49,040 their issues or all of their stuff on through this. I I don't think then they 725 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:53,680 would have a blanket coverage. I I mean that almost has to be sight specific to 726 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:59,040 through to through our solid waste management district and even if we have 727 00:57:56,319 --> 00:58:03,920 to increase funding to them to handle all the coverages cuz because that's 728 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:08,480 going to be a moving target. They do not have a thing set up with Republic. Okay. 729 00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:13,200 They may never get a thing set up with Republic uh for an ongoing thing. We've 730 00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:16,799 been trying that something like that for years. [cough] and [clears throat] their 731 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:24,079 locations that they have their stuff changes also uh by who allows them to 732 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:29,920 have places there. But um I I'm not throwing cold water on everything, 733 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:34,000 Brian. I just want us to realize the and this is ongoing. This is like hiring 734 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:38,079 another person. Okay. Once you start this, you never quit. So 735 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:42,880 » you're suggesting it might be money better spent to focus more intricately 736 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:48,559 on the things that are are of higher risk rather than blanket something 737 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:54,799 » the rather than blank any piece of well there is high-risk scenarios. There is 738 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:59,119 uh the county highway building um and things like that that need to be covered 739 00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:04,319 and and the old jail and stuff like that probably. But I don't know, as I said, 740 00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:10,000 if we pull in every little bitty piece because I'm sure they're charging 741 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:16,640 us for all those other things that that may not ever have a and haven't had in 742 00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:19,760 the past uh a scenario. Um 743 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:23,200 » so will the price be cheaper then if we limit what what we cover to the 744 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:28,480 high-risisk areas? >> There is a a locationbased rate. Um, I 745 00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:32,559 would have to get, you know, a revised total, but just to kind of counter a 746 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:36,720 little bit of what you said, Kent, what about if you, you said if you were able 747 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:39,520 to identify who dumped it, what about if it's somebody that just pulls up, dumps 748 00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:45,839 in the middle of the night, and takes off and there is no um accident report 749 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:50,880 to move it or if that person if that company or individual that has a loss, 750 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:55,440 say it's a farmer with Anhydrris and they have a serious accident and that 751 00:59:53,520 --> 01:00:00,000 their pollution limit either they didn't have it or it was exceeded and then the 752 00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:05,200 county is kind of stuck there. We'll be brought in on it with that um because 753 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:08,640 it's our property. Um a majority would fall on the land owner, I'm sure, in 754 01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:12,720 those areas, but we're still going to have our piece. So, that's the only 755 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:17,440 thing I disagree respectfully with you on on the on the on coveraging covering 756 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:21,359 everything. And then the difference between the solid waste management 757 01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:28,160 district and this DED has a office that's technically rented for at the 758 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:31,920 Purdue. So, she's more of a contractor uh pollution type risk where she's out 759 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:36,960 and on the move. So, the solid waste district doesn't have the amount of 760 01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:41,599 property or land that the county does. And that's where we're talking two 761 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:45,920 different coverages. This is a site uh pollution policy. And then the where Dee 762 01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:50,640 is involved, that's more of a contractor's pollution type policy 763 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:55,040 because she has her office space. And then other than that, she's whether 764 01:00:53,280 --> 01:01:01,280 she's at Republic, whether she's at the schools, whether she's at the collection 765 01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:05,599 event itself. And she does two big ones, April and September, and then she has a 766 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:09,839 couple of smaller ones that uh bounce between New Pal, Fortville, 767 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:17,040 McCordsville. So there's there's other locations there that she's at as well. 768 01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:21,040 But um what I put together was just you could go a million if you wanted. What I 769 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:27,119 would recommend instead of backing off locations would go down in um go from a 770 01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:31,839 five million down to a three or one million policy or whatever number. But 771 01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:37,200 that's where you could shave premium but still have the comprehensive piece. 772 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:42,000 There's also coverages within it does exclude POS which are 773 01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:46,319 you have shoes that are waterproof. They have spray on them that's a POS. So, 774 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:50,400 there's so many things that are POS type, but um mold or bacteria, things 775 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,920 like that. There's things like that that could be in the buildings that would 776 01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:59,119 that could potentially be picked up with this as well. So, it's not just the dump 777 01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:06,240 of gas or antifreeze or something like that. It's um covering the buildings in 778 01:02:02,799 --> 01:02:13,200 um in those areas as well for pollution. Well, I it's going to be 779 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:18,240 it it's with the things that aren't included in it that we're going to have 780 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:23,760 to add to it. You're talking about um it's not 67. It's going to be 80 some 781 01:02:20,799 --> 01:02:28,640 thousand. If we eventually add um jacks to it, we're talking $100,000 every 782 01:02:26,799 --> 01:02:34,079 three years. Um >> I don't think it would be that much 783 01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:39,680 because the the 630 acres was the 20. That was a big 630 acres is a big number 784 01:02:37,359 --> 01:02:45,599 over just the buildings and the and the property they sit on. So, um 785 01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:50,079 » that covers all of the the Hancock County farm, right? Both sides. 786 01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:56,240 » Well, and we have the new park um off 100 South between 40 and 100 South. Um 787 01:02:53,119 --> 01:03:01,119 the Ninstar Park. We have Yeah. the the farm. When I talked to the assessor's 788 01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:06,240 office, I said, "I need all of the ground that's owned by the county." and 789 01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:10,079 they gave me 630 acres, >> right? And 790 01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:14,400 the 100 acres that's not been utilized right now is we've, as far as I know, 791 01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:17,280 we've never had environmental insurance on the farm ground. 792 01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:22,160 And >> well, the county's owned it and had it 793 01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:28,880 farmed for hundred some years, >> almost 200 years or 1850. 794 01:03:26,319 --> 01:03:34,559 » So are what are we asking of Brian? Are we asking him to show us premium prices 795 01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:37,359 for one and threeyear? Are we asking him to 796 01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:42,160 » mean one or three million >> or I'm sorry 1 in 3 million or are we 797 01:03:39,359 --> 01:03:44,559 asking him to change the >> right now it's 5 million right that's 798 01:03:44,319 --> 01:03:48,799 the >> quote presented and that's what again 799 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:53,440 I'm presenting what was favorably I gave the commissioners the one and five and 800 01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:57,200 they voted 30 with a favorable recommendation to come to you guys with 801 01:03:55,760 --> 01:04:00,559 that so they were >> three is not an option 802 01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:03,200 » they were wanting the 5 million in that meet from that 803 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:08,960 I can tell you one other thing that's a quick example. You just had water come 804 01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:13,520 in over here and there was silica exposure that um um happened right out 805 01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:20,000 here in front of the building. And that's just on a simple um back u from 806 01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:24,400 excavating. So, there's another type of coverage where another time where you're 807 01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:30,480 lucky that the contractor stepped up and paid it, but that could have gotten into 808 01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:35,440 where we would have had a $65,000 uh bill. So, that you know, it's not 809 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,640 » we have a deductible of 50,000 though. >> We do. 810 01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:41,920 » Okay. >> But, um I'm just giving another quick 811 01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:46,400 example of where it comes into areas you just don't think of. Um it can happen in 812 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:51,760 areas where we don't think of. And with the new policy, the self-insured, I just 813 01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:57,920 felt the pollution piece, we we were limited before and kind of like you're 814 01:04:54,079 --> 01:05:00,400 saying in the in the in the mindset, it I kind of saw it the same way like, 815 01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:04,000 well, we don't have a landfill, we don't have all these different things. We're 816 01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:09,359 getting the certificates of insurance, but looking into it, and I talked to 817 01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:13,599 many people um I've talked to many people on this in different departments 818 01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:18,319 to get a picture in my head of what all do we have. So that's why I presented 819 01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:23,520 this and I presented the 1 million in the meeting, but they felt the five was 820 01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:26,799 the premium. If you look at it, I know you're you're you're saying, "Oh, it's 821 01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:32,480 going to be 20 more if we go with the other one." It's really divided by three 822 01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:40,079 years. So we're talking about 22 23,000 a year. Uh 67 69 be 23,000 a year. So 823 01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:48,160 current the current proposal and then if you go to the 86 it's still under 30,000 824 01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:52,559 a year and that would encompass again as of today all the property that we own. 825 01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:57,039 If we add jacks it's not going to be a significant amount. It just um it's not 826 01:05:55,359 --> 01:06:00,640 going to be another 30,000. >> Well they they wouldn't pick it up 827 01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:03,680 unless it was clean probably. >> It's kind of like bringing a wreck car. 828 01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:06,000 I use this example in the commissioner meeting. you bring a wreck car to 829 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:09,200 somebody and say, "Hey, give me full coverage on it." Well, 830 01:06:06,799 --> 01:06:13,760 » so the county will phase phase one, phase two, whatever on that property and 831 01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:18,160 then whatever's located, then the county will be responsible for cleaning that up 832 01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:21,920 prior to the insurance company taking it over. So, you're right. It may not be 833 01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:27,599 that big of an addition, but we're going to have initial outlay of of of stuff to 834 01:06:25,359 --> 01:06:31,680 get it to the point. But [snorts] um >> I thought there was an initial 835 01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:36,319 assessment that led us to believe that the property was not 836 01:06:34,319 --> 01:06:39,359 of significant concern regarding contaminants. 837 01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,440 » I can't Gary could speak on that but I can't speak. 838 01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:44,400 » You also have funds from the groundfield act that's up to 400,000 for that 839 01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:48,720 location. Okay. >> Um that the city I think was awarded but 840 01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:53,039 in the purchase was going to be shared towards that and that included the phase 841 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:57,760 one phase two. I reached out to our district 5 842 01:06:55,039 --> 01:07:03,760 IDM rep and didn't get a call back, but I just was going to inquire on that a 843 01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:08,240 little more, but um the there are that's outside of county funds. Am I Gary? Am I 844 01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:10,400 misspeaking on that with the brownfield act? 845 01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,160 » Is it brownfield money? >> Brownfield grant. 846 01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,920 » Are [clears throat] we capable of getting any of that grant money? 847 01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:20,000 » We got grant money and we removed a a leaky underground storage tank from the 848 01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:23,680 park by me. So, we had the state pay for that. And we have a grant through 849 01:07:21,359 --> 01:07:29,039 Greenfield to clean up >> um jacks. We also have anhydra spills 850 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:36,000 every year. We clean them up. >> Um or the farmer cleans them up. Um 851 01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:40,400 that's kind of common in farming. Um that's so yeah, the feds I apply for 852 01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:46,319 grants to get those brown field stuff and we've been we get them. Um, 853 01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:50,000 » so you wouldn't have on the on the hand andhydrris spills though you're talking 854 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:52,880 about. Would we ever use the insurance? We have a $50,000 deductible. 855 01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:58,000 » Well, generally the farmer cleans them up. If we do them, usually case takes a 856 01:07:54,319 --> 01:08:02,720 couple thousand dollars of a spill kit. >> We've been doing them. 857 01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:06,079 » Well, I I mean I I'm just then I need to know where the money is going to come 858 01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:09,680 from, too. You know what I mean? This outside the purview of everything we've 859 01:08:07,839 --> 01:08:13,839 got. Um >> but to answer your question, yes, we get 860 01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:17,759 the grants from the feds for large stuff and then local stuff is not it does cost 861 01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:20,640 money if we have something to come up is not. 862 01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:24,400 » But you're thinking that um Jax is not going to be a uh you're not going to 863 01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:26,480 come to us say we need a half a million dollars out of food and beverage to fix 864 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,640 JS. >> I don't believe so. 865 01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:32,847 » Okay. >> I'm asking other people for that money. 866 01:08:30,827 --> 01:08:32,847 [laughter] 867 01:08:34,719 --> 01:08:46,719 Uh Brian, was there um an option of a a greater um uh greater than $50,000 868 01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:52,560 deductible? That made sense. >> Yeah. Um that was what they um I didn't 869 01:08:50,719 --> 01:08:56,719 get any number on that. Again, that's just where they said the 870 01:08:54,080 --> 01:09:00,799 » typically the policies are for county municipalities are at 50. So I was 871 01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:05,359 trying what I was trying to do is we have a 300,000. I was trying and I was 872 01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:09,920 trying to keep it down to where if we did have an event, we're not getting hit 873 01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:15,440 with the 300. We've we've done really well um with claims being lower after we 874 01:09:13,759 --> 01:09:18,480 went to that program. And so we're trying to keep that money in that 875 01:09:16,677 --> 01:09:25,279 [clears throat] coffer. So part of it was in thought of if we did have any 876 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:30,480 kind of event um have a lower lower out of pocket but 877 01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:37,040 and [clears throat] as far as paying for it if we do the three-year I think we 878 01:09:33,679 --> 01:09:41,839 just take it from food and beverage and I mean it's a it would become a in the 879 01:09:39,839 --> 01:09:47,040 long term would become part of general fund expenditure but 880 01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:54,000 » yeah I know that's what I'm saying where's where's this is like um once you 881 01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:58,719 start you never you never stop it there is something in the back of my mind 882 01:09:55,520 --> 01:10:06,400 saying we've owned three 200 or 150 acres out there for 200 years and never 883 01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:13,920 had it on it and um I don't see in the change for us to to to cover that much 884 01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:17,440 ground for for a reason but um that's why I was trying to figure out how to 885 01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:23,280 make this less punitive to us. You know, when you're 886 01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:29,280 talking 80 $90,000 over three years, you know, is there a way we could 887 01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:33,040 take the deductible up because I there is a chance somebody could dump 888 01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:37,120 something and do it. It's never happened. 889 01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:39,864 Okay. It's never happened. So, but there is a chance. There's a chance of a lot 890 01:10:38,719 --> 01:10:43,760 of things, I suppose. But, [clears throat] so is there a way that 891 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:47,120 the deductible can increase it, bring the premium down? there's a way that we 892 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:54,800 could go to 3 million instead of 5 million um and bring the premium down. I 893 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:59,440 I I I don't I think common sense tells us we're not going to have a $5 million 894 01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:02,480 thing we've never never had before. >> Well, that's what I could ask him is, 895 01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:06,239 you know, what's the typical claim in this area? What's the average claim 896 01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:09,920 amount >> or paid paid amount, I should say, not 897 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:17,280 just claim, >> I guess. I mean, it takes one. I don't 898 01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:24,320 have data on the average claim for pollution, but I mean there are cases 899 01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:30,719 that can be laser claims too. I mean for um I I just would have to go back and 900 01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:38,880 get that number for you. But um you know the limits we carry on our liability. Um 901 01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:46,000 I I think regardless if it's 5 million or less, the countyy's in a we're 902 01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:51,120 growing to a point we need it and um as the solid waste management district 903 01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:57,360 goes on its own and kind of grows from there. Um they'll have their coverage 904 01:11:54,560 --> 01:12:04,159 for for their events, but that protects that individual governmental unit at 905 01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:08,239 that point. we can we can put them on as an additional named insured 906 01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:10,719 right now uh because they're still part of the county. So, I'm going to have 907 01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:16,080 them as an additional insured on this policy through they're getting their own 908 01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:21,520 legs and walking on their own. But, um again, that's a different type of 909 01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:27,679 risk because it's a contractor risk point versus the site pollution. So, 910 01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:33,280 um, I thought the premium was reasonable because 630 acres is a lot of ground to 911 01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:38,159 expand coverage across all of it. And it's in my mind, I just don't want to be 912 01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:42,159 the one that pinpoints and says, "Well, we're probably not going to have 913 01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:48,560 anything here, here, here." Um, the difference between 200 200 acres and the 914 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:55,120 additional 630, it was 76,000 for 200 acres. And to get up to the 630, it 915 01:12:51,199 --> 01:13:01,280 added 86,000. Uh it went up to 86139. So it was less than $10,000 to add that 916 01:12:58,480 --> 01:13:05,199 many acres. I know you say Ken that hey it's going to continue to add add. I 917 01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:11,360 don't think it's going to be that bad. This is we're we're moving it a long way 918 01:13:08,239 --> 01:13:15,520 down the road to cover everything now. the incidental things that we bring on 919 01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:19,600 whether it's a salvage art or you know whatever they have pro they have the 920 01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:23,040 right to say no if you bring on a property that they don't feel because 921 01:13:21,679 --> 01:13:30,640 they're going to review the reports and make sure they meet underwriting 922 01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:35,840 criteria but um I still um with the limit and the you know the county does 923 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:42,480 90 over 90 million in revenue I mean we're we're a big county 924 01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:46,960 so I felt like the pricing is favorable. >> Uh, you know, I'm not against generally 925 01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:51,520 speaking ensuring against pollutants. My biggest concern is that someday 926 01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:57,040 something we have something in Hancock County that we feel the county needs to 927 01:13:54,320 --> 01:14:01,600 address that is not necessarily specific to our 928 01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:07,040 owned parcels. And you know, with what's provided here, 929 01:14:04,719 --> 01:14:12,880 I I don't I can't say I have a really um clear 930 01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:18,800 view on what we are and aren't covering. I don't know. For the sake of today, 931 01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:21,679 do you guys want to ask Brian to produce some of these things? You're asking 932 01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:26,320 about some of these variations, higher deductibles, different properties. Do we 933 01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:30,719 want to take this under advisement and move it to the next agenda? Yeah, I was 934 01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:34,560 thinking of we can I I mean unless there's a deadline, we can move it to 935 01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:38,080 the September 29th joint meeting. >> And that gives everyone time to inquire 936 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:41,040 on variations. >> Yeah. I don't know if I don't know if 937 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:45,520 any of you out I know I talked to Brian for quite a while about it, but I didn't 938 01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:49,120 know if any of the rest of you had. So, >> one thing I'd like to see and the food 939 01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:53,600 and beverage is fine maybe for the first payment, but I would like for it to be 940 01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:59,280 in its own fund so that those that come after us will be able to um track it. 941 01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:04,719 That's that's the importance of it being in a fund. You can track, you know, that 942 01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:07,040 it hasn't gone way up and and none of us are here. And um 943 01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:10,080 » well, it seems to me >> people don't realize I 944 01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:16,640 » I do think if solid waste management is its own entity and the risk is different 945 01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:20,960 with contract versus county that maybe you are talking about two separate 946 01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:25,040 policies. I don't know if that's a cost concern. And then ultimately, it sounds 947 01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:29,920 like it belongs in the commissioner's budget to me because the commissioners 948 01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:33,520 want the coverage. Commissioners have a budget, a substantial budget, and I 949 01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:38,239 believe that's where it lives, which is funded through the general fund. 950 01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:41,360 » That's [clears throat] probably where it would go, wouldn't it, Mary? If we did 951 01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:42,880 its own fund, it'd go in the commissioners. 952 01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:46,000 » Yes. >> And and 953 01:15:43,679 --> 01:15:48,320 » I'd like to see the the cost of $100,000. 954 01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:50,880 » I would definitely take a higher deductible. 955 01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:55,520 » Higher deductible. Get a set. >> And is 3 million capable or is it just 956 01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:59,280 they don't do that? They don't do that much. 957 01:15:55,840 --> 01:16:05,040 » You can do 1 2 3 4 5 million. >> Huh? 958 01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:09,520 » And and you and then yours >> uh my insurance goes up about 15% a 959 01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:16,400 year. [laughter] >> U maybe because I'm just a a a dweeb in 960 01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:20,080 this scenario. But so this is >> is this insurance going up like 961 01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:24,880 everything else every year to the the point too cuz um this locks us in. We 962 01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:28,480 don't have increases. >> We're locked in for three years. 963 01:16:26,239 --> 01:16:31,360 » Three years. And but you you do have to realize that could be 30% more. 964 01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,920 » Yeah. >> I mean if we're going to do something 965 01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:37,520 I'm favorable to the three-year commitment based on these numbers. It 966 01:16:35,679 --> 01:16:39,840 looks like the discount that provided for three versus one [clears throat] is 967 01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,400 worth >> I agree. If you're going to if you're 968 01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:45,840 going to do it, you do it for the three years. But I would definitely take a 969 01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:51,120 higher deductible. I would leave the 5 million and put us on the hook for a six 970 01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:54,719 figure number. So it's just cat catastrophe mitigation. 971 01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:57,040 » Jim likes to spend food and beverage cuz he's going to be gone. 972 01:16:56,159 --> 01:17:00,640 » Yeah, we are trying. >> Whenever restaurants are still going to 973 01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:03,920 be here, he's going to be gone. So we could care less what happens, you know? 974 01:17:02,159 --> 01:17:07,360 So [laughter] it's like that's not sustainable. 975 01:17:04,719 --> 01:17:08,800 » It will always be big. You'll always have enough. 976 01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:12,213 » No, you're not. >> People just keep eating. And 977 01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:14,640 » you're all kid every day, aren't you? >> [laughter] 978 01:17:13,523 --> 01:17:17,760 [snorts] >> The only thing I'll say on the 979 01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:23,040 three-year that I want to make sure everybody's clear on, it's a three-year 980 01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:27,840 locked premium, but the bene the uh uh liability limit of 5 million, if we have 981 01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:33,840 an event and it spends down on any of that, including the um 1.25 on the 982 01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:38,320 defense cost, whatever spent down on those, we would have the remainder for 983 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:42,560 the time being. So we could get hit right at right at the time the policy 984 01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:47,520 issued a few months in and we have a major loss. Then we would have to buy a 985 01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:53,120 new policy at that point because the renewal where the policies renew on the 986 01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:57,440 annual not the three-year. You're paying that higher amount every year for that 987 01:17:54,880 --> 01:18:02,400 full 5 million. And so there could be a diff there could be a caveat like I said 988 01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:06,800 where we have an event and there's any money paid out then that amount carries 989 01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:10,080 forward the remaining period of that first three year. 990 01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:15,280 » Well what was the per incident limit? >> Well we have 5 million is the limit with 991 01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:19,600 a 50,000 deductible. But say we had an event that was million and a half that 992 01:18:17,199 --> 01:18:23,840 would go down at whatever point that is and then through the remaining. 993 01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:26,880 » So it's 5 million total for three years. >> Yeah. And if you do annual, it's not 5 994 01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:31,920 million a year. >> It's renewing at 5 million every year. 995 01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:37,360 » But if but if year two you spend the five million, okay, you spent 60 70 996 01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:39,600 grand, you cashed in on 4 million of coverage, you have to go buy another 997 01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,360 policy, >> right? Yeah. 998 01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:46,960 » Right. >> And I mean, I know you guys are thinking 999 01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:54,719 back some of our um exposure could be in the transportation side where um we have 1000 01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:57,600 an event uh or end use. I mean, I just think it's time to get something in 1001 01:18:56,080 --> 01:19:01,679 place and then as we go forward because we're going to continue the collection 1002 01:18:58,719 --> 01:19:05,040 events from talking to DD, that area is going to expand and whether it's 1003 01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:11,199 standalone or not, the county will still be tied to that because it's a county uh 1004 01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:15,920 collection process. So, um and then along with the growth of 1005 01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:18,400 just the county in general, uh we're going to add buildings and things like 1006 01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,920 that. those things would come on in time. But 1007 01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:26,719 » September 20th >> um to add 200 or yeah to add 430 acres 1008 01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:31,440 it was less than 10,000. So I don't think it's going to be a Halloween's 1009 01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:34,400 number if we add Jack >> the savings [clears throat] are going to 1010 01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:37,760 come if we add the if we increase the deductible or 1011 01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:39,920 » yeah I've got a note here for the 100k uh 1012 01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:42,960 » maybe to 3 million and see and >> and the 3 mil. Okay. 1013 01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:48,080 » Yeah. And see what that is and then we'll compare to what the expense is. So 1014 01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:52,320 the commissioners have a meeting next week. I can have that and present to 1015 01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:55,679 them. Do I need to go and get that? Like what should my process be? So 1016 01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:57,280 » well you you the the meeting you're talking about, Scott, is joint, right? 1017 01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:00,000 So >> joint September 29th. 1018 01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:02,880 » Yeah, on the 29th. >> That'd be the right time to do that. 1019 01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:06,239 » Yeah, it would. That way we can get >> that we don't have to go twice. 1020 01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:09,600 » And then the only other thing my question I guess would be then say I 1021 01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:13,760 come back with whatever that is at the 29th. Do you guys approve it at that 1022 01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,719 time or is it still >> they can 1023 01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,800 » we can >> it could be approved at 1024 01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:20,960 » Yeah. >> And Keela, you mentioned something about 1025 01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:25,840 the exact coverages. I'll get a list of that for you for 1026 01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:30,400 everybody. And what's the best way to get that to you? Just go to Amber or 1027 01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:32,880 » if you send it to the auditor's office and request it be distributed. They'll 1028 01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:38,239 send it to everybody. >> Okay. And then um 1029 01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:46,159 » the only other question I have would be the collection events. the 26th. We did 1030 01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:49,040 a standalone policy for it before. Um, and I don't know if I need to talk to 1031 01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:55,520 the commissioners on this or not or you guys, but that's the 26th. And if this 1032 01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:59,840 meeting is the 29th, it's going to over it'll be over after we talk. 1033 01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,840 » Right. So, you need to do another standalone for that one. 1034 01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:02,719 » Okay. >> Yeah. 1035 01:21:02,239 --> 01:21:06,560 » Okay. >> And just same as the last time it would 1036 01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:10,480 go through the solid waste management. >> Yep. because we added the county to that 1037 01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:13,199 policy and it [snorts] covered uh covered them through that. 1038 01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,920 » Okay. >> Thanks, Brian. 1039 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:17,679 » Thank you guys. Appreciate your time. >> Thanks. 1040 01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,920 » Thank >> All right. 1041 01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,360 » That went that went a little longer than I anticipated. So, 1042 01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:24,800 » sorry about that. >> Well, hey, you know. 1043 01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:28,080 » So, I'm going to uh next up, I got to go back to Magistrate Kums because he's off 1044 01:21:26,480 --> 01:21:33,199 the bench and he's here right now. So, I'll have him come on up and talk about 1045 01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:37,840 the magistrate administrative assistant. >> Thank you. Thanks for uh um changing my 1046 01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:41,520 time for court. We have a very busy court morning this morning. Um we have a 1047 01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:44,960 simple request. We got the magistrate assistant position that uh when we set 1048 01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:48,560 it up, we set it up as a split position between the clerk's office and the 1049 01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:51,520 court. Um when we set the position up, we told the council, we'd let the 1050 01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:55,600 council know when the position needed to be moved over to the court if we became 1051 01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:59,360 that busy. And we're at that spot where we need to move the position out of the 1052 01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:03,440 clerk's office and entirely under the uh the court's umbrella. So, we're just 1053 01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:07,920 looking to reappropriate. I believe the uh the budget uh is the position is 1054 01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:12,480 funded through the clerk's office. We just want to move that over to circuit 1055 01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:16,480 court spirit 2 or spear one um to cover that position. We are overhauling how 1056 01:22:14,719 --> 01:22:20,239 the courthouse works for next year. We need to create additional docket space 1057 01:22:18,639 --> 01:22:24,639 and in order to do that we need to run four courtrooms at a time. And so that 1058 01:22:22,719 --> 01:22:29,360 magistrate assistant position which we it took a few months to get that filled 1059 01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:32,960 because it is a really hard position and the way it is currently set up it is a 1060 01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:36,080 very boring position and it it's one that we actually for a couple weeks gave 1061 01:22:34,639 --> 01:22:40,480 up on filling because we couldn't find anybody to fill it. We have been able to 1062 01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:44,719 fill it but we need to modify how it works. The assistant position is going 1063 01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:47,679 to be a reporter position and that assistant is going to follow the 1064 01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:51,440 magistrate wherever the magistrate goes and the magistrate will run the 1065 01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:55,440 magistrate's own docket for a couple days out of the week. So we'll have four 1066 01:22:53,679 --> 01:22:59,440 judges taking a court taking the bench at a time in order to uh make the courts 1067 01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:04,080 more efficient. But that's not going to work if we have an assistant that's only 1068 01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:06,800 50% of the time with the courts um and can't follow that magistrate assistant 1069 01:23:05,679 --> 01:23:11,040 around and we don't have enough reporters with the other courts in order 1070 01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:14,320 to make that system work. So, it's kind of a this is really the the move we've 1071 01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:18,560 got to make in order to get the courthouse more efficient. Um, 1072 01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:20,480 » so you're wanting to amend the budget for next year. 1073 01:23:19,679 --> 01:23:24,000 » Yeah. >> Yeah. I'll refer that to Mary. I've got 1074 01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:26,480 multiple >> advertised. We can't do that till the 1 1075 01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:30,480 of >> January. But if we're done, 1076 01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:35,280 » yeah, the budget, >> does the salary ordinance specify that 1077 01:23:32,719 --> 01:23:39,760 position uh as being under the under the clerk? And so the salary ordinance will 1078 01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:42,480 need amended to move it under a different department. 1079 01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:45,360 » You're talking current and then moving forward for next year. 1080 01:23:43,679 --> 01:23:49,040 » Well, just next year, we'll keep it in the clerk's office. 1081 01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:53,280 » So, currently it's in county general and the clerk's office. next year. 1082 01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,639 » Which court do you want it? Do you want it? 1083 01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,639 » It doesn't matter. We've been talking about circuit, but I don't think it 1084 01:23:55,679 --> 01:24:01,440 matters which one. >> We would prefer it be in one court just 1085 01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:03,440 to make it easier for payroll purposes. >> Yeah, let's just throw it in circuit if 1086 01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:06,000 that's okay. >> Okay. As long as Judge Cirk's good with 1087 01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,199 that, that's fine. >> He's okay. 1088 01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:10,800 » That's fine. >> Yeah. And Miss Manship and Judge Cirk 1089 01:24:09,199 --> 01:24:14,320 are all on board on this and they in they're insistent we need it to work. We 1090 01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:18,400 need this to happen in order to make the courthouse function, right? 1091 01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:22,159 I I'm glad you're asking for the other half of a person you already have and 1092 01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:24,480 not a whole new person. [laughter] So tell me where 1093 01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:27,793 » trying to make this easy for y'all. Somebody's losing 1094 01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:29,120 » I think [laughter] 1095 01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:32,159 that they >> What is the clerk's office going to say 1096 01:24:30,719 --> 01:24:37,040 about losing half a person? >> Uh Lisa is also insistent she she wants 1097 01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:41,280 the position moved. [laughter] >> Losing that employee's 1098 01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:45,360 problem next year, so we'll worry about that later. Are shaking his head? Yes. I 1099 01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:50,400 don't I think she's at a conference today, I believe. Otherwise, she'd be 1100 01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:55,040 here adamantly arguing on behalf of this request. She knows she wants it down. 1101 01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:59,600 » I think the auditor, Pro Tim, [laughter] until tonight has um um an issue that 1102 01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:03,520 she needs. >> No, actually, that is not going to be 1103 01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:07,520 that difficult of a problem because it's already in county general. 1104 01:25:05,679 --> 01:25:09,440 » We're just going to be changing from one department to another. 1105 01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:13,840 » Okay. >> I actually don't see that as being an 1106 01:25:11,679 --> 01:25:16,080 issue. We're not increasing the budget, >> right? 1107 01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:20,880 » It's staying the same. It's just going to change from one location. 1108 01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:24,080 » Do you need it formalized in a motion or is this banter sufficient? 1109 01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:31,360 » I would like a motion, please. >> I'll make a motion uh that beginning in 1110 01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:37,600 January 2027, the position shared uh between the clerk and courts be moved 1111 01:25:34,719 --> 01:25:40,000 into the circuit court budget. >> Second. 1112 01:25:38,719 --> 01:25:43,280 » All right. I have a motion and a second on the table. Is there any discussion on 1113 01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:47,679 this? >> Just as long as the clerk agrees. 1114 01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:50,639 » Okay, >> we got a thumbs up back there. 1115 01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:53,360 » All those in favor say I. >> I. Any oppose? Same sign. Motion carries 1116 01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:55,040 unanimously. >> Thank you all. Thanks. Really 1117 01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:59,440 » welcome. >> Thank you. 1118 01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:02,320 » All right. Next up from 9:45 >> request for additional appropriations. 1119 01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:06,400 Gary P. Come on up. >> Dusty is a new 1120 01:26:04,719 --> 01:26:11,040 we had a gas tax reduction this year which you might be aware of. Okay. 1121 01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:16,080 » The state has sent money to the county from the excess from the state surplus. 1122 01:26:14,239 --> 01:26:20,960 Um, of course, that went into a different fund. So, I can't use it to 1123 01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:26,000 replace that gas tax money that was. >> So, I'm asking for from the fund 1124 01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:30,560 $371,000 to be appropriated to line 23,000 to be used for road materials. 1125 01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:33,040 » All right. Thumbs up to >> advertised 1126 01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:36,000 » 371,000. >> All right. It'll be advertised and then 1127 01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:38,400 we'll vote next time. >> Thank you. Thanks, Gary. 1128 01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:42,159 » Thank you. >> Thank you. 1129 01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:46,600 » Uh yeah, we're almost Yeah. Resolutions for non-compliance. Nicole Berley. 1130 01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:58,800 » Good morning. Um actually, I'm going to kind of collaborate with Scott. So last 1131 01:26:55,840 --> 01:27:06,719 month we had two CF1s that were denied for 26 pay 27. Well, there needs to be a 1132 01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:12,960 resolution to terminate those in the way that you want them terminated. So, Scott 1133 01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:16,880 drew up a a resolution for termination of abatement. If you could review to see 1134 01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:22,320 if this is something that you would like to use um and then we can send to the 1135 01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:25,320 two non-compliant abatements. 1136 01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:33,600 Uh just I'm no attorney but the verbiage here says the council decided the 1137 01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:38,800 abatement will be denied for the year 2026 but the extor could return in 2027 1138 01:27:36,719 --> 01:27:43,440 and reapply. I mean is reapply the I thought we said 1139 01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:46,719 that they're not going to apply for a new abatement right they can come file 1140 01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:53,040 another >> CF1 and try to have it reinstated is 1141 01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:59,199 reapply appropriate verbiage >> we can we can work with that a little 1142 01:27:55,120 --> 01:28:03,360 bit. um exit uh I've been in contact with and I think they wanted to speak 1143 01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:09,040 during the public comment uh period today and I don't is Matt Kein 1144 01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:12,000 is here who's the attorney for know that'll 1145 01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:15,040 » yeah that's not that's not the proper time to right 1146 01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:18,560 » the public comment's about Walmart it's not about extor now is this something 1147 01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:20,400 we're have to bring back and have a resolution 1148 01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:24,960 » we're going to yeah we're going to have to we're [clears throat] going to have 1149 01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:28,080 to reo this and have the appropriate procedure procedures implement. It's 1150 01:28:26,639 --> 01:28:31,280 first time to do it. >> Okay. [clears throat] So then we could 1151 01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:36,560 have him speak before we vote on that. Correct. And he can always 1152 01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:41,679 » I will say on that what they are looking at is maybe providing you some more 1153 01:28:39,199 --> 01:28:45,360 proof that there's going to be a tenant there such as potentially an executed 1154 01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:49,120 lease or something like that. >> And there supposed to be are there two 1155 01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:54,320 of these or is this just do we had two? is really this is one that would be used 1156 01:28:51,280 --> 01:29:00,080 for exit but there it's kind of a sample of what we would do going forward if we 1157 01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:05,040 have to do these we also you know have to send a letter preparatory to this 1158 01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:10,320 that has by statute some other requirements so we we're work Nicole and 1159 01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:13,120 I are working together to to make sure that that process is done the right way 1160 01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:18,400 » right >> but this is just a this this is an 1161 01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:22,280 example but it was drafted for exit but we're going to have to go back. 1162 01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:31,120 Um, but they did I'm just giving you the information. They did approach me. 1163 01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:34,719 Matt's here today. Um, about getting reconsideration of that. So, I'm just 1164 01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:36,239 letting you know that we don't have to do today, 1165 01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:40,400 » right? >> Um, and I agree it's not that's not the 1166 01:29:38,639 --> 01:29:44,400 time we normally entertain those things. >> And he can he can send an email and and 1167 01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:48,560 and or contact each of us uh individually. Um, I mean, he just like 1168 01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:52,560 the public can. I mean, he has that right to do that and and and meet with 1169 01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:56,719 any of us if you wanted to, if any of us willing to meet with them. Um, 1170 01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:59,280 » all true. Right. >> So, 1171 01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:04,400 » you're just here to notify us that there will be further action necessary. Yes. 1172 01:30:02,159 --> 01:30:07,760 You're notifying us. This is a sample. We're not voting on anything today. 1173 01:30:06,719 --> 01:30:12,080 » Not today. >> Well, we're going to this is way that 1174 01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:16,800 all that'll happen going forward. We'll actually execute a resolution on the day 1175 01:30:14,719 --> 01:30:20,560 that you make that kind of >> Yeah, I think that's an excellent idea. 1176 01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:24,000 » I have to do it. >> I say I would like to be put on next 1177 01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:28,639 month's agenda. So, I would like to try to get this wrapped up and get letters 1178 01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:31,040 and information sent out to these two businesses. 1179 01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:33,920 » Okay. So, do you need a motion or anything to no to go forward? Oh, you 1180 01:30:32,719 --> 01:30:36,880 just the approval that we're >> This is just for information purposes. 1181 01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:40,080 » Okay, that's fine. And then we'll set you you get on the calendar for next 1182 01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:43,120 month. And then when you do get on a calendar, do set a time for them to 1183 01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:45,920 speak. >> Okay. 1184 01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:48,560 » Before we do a vote, make sure they're included. 1185 01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:52,960 » Should I send a letter to Red Rock? I have had no contact from Red Rock on 1186 01:30:51,440 --> 01:30:56,159 » Is that one of the denials? >> Yes, it was one of the denials. 1187 01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:58,239 » Yes. Yes. Okay. Uh certified mail or something of that sort. 1188 01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:01,040 » Yeah, we have to follow the statute on that, too. We can talk about that. 1189 01:30:59,679 --> 01:31:04,719 » Okay. All right. Thank you. >> I just want to thank you, Nicole. We've 1190 01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:07,920 kept you busy the last couple months and this is the least favorite part of my 1191 01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:11,679 job is drafting these and getting approval since I'm not a an attorney, 1192 01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:14,719 but I have to send several of these out. So, thanks for your patience, but thanks 1193 01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:19,600 for all your work on this. >> Thank you. 1194 01:31:16,719 --> 01:31:25,120 » All right. At this time, I will uh take a break and then we will wait and then 1195 01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:28,480 uh we'll reconvene and do the public comment and deal with Walmart. All 1196 01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:31,040 right. We're 1197 01:31:28,719 --> 01:31:33,600 » journ for now. [snorts] Break. 1198 01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:11,520 All right, I'm going to call the meeting back to order. Uh before we do the start 1199 01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:17,199 the public comment, I'm going to have Eric come up briefly here. Um I I wanted 1200 01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:20,960 to ask him a question. Uh we had gotten some emails. Obviously, we got a lot of 1201 01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:24,320 emails on data centers, but we got I got an email on Walmart, and I was going to 1202 01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:28,400 want to ask you um cuz it was a good question. We should have asked last 1203 01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:33,600 week. Um how many of your uh associates that work at the warehouse currently are 1204 01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:37,119 on public assistance or get I don't have a specific number, but I can tell you 1205 01:47:35,099 --> 01:47:41,840 [clears throat] it's extremely rare in the distribution centers in particular 1206 01:47:39,119 --> 01:47:49,600 because of the hourly rate. Now, with 2.1 million associates in the United 1207 01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:55,280 States and across the planet, um we do have some rare circumstances 1208 01:47:52,719 --> 01:48:00,880 where associates choose to manage their hours based on their own specific needs 1209 01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:05,440 for them, their family, the structure that they have. A number of associates 1210 01:48:03,199 --> 01:48:10,960 choose not to work additional hours that they're provided specifically to not 1211 01:48:08,239 --> 01:48:15,360 trigger some federal thresholds, but those are personal decisions that they 1212 01:48:13,679 --> 01:48:21,360 make on behalf of themselves and their families. They are very rare 1213 01:48:17,679 --> 01:48:25,760 circumstances with the 1.7 or so million total associates we have in over 4,500 1214 01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:29,920 facilities here in the United States. >> Okay. Um, I I say if anybody else has 1215 01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:33,199 any questions before I say that, we're going to do the public uh when we do the 1216 01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:36,480 public comment, then I'll bring Eric back up if there's follow-up questions 1217 01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:40,159 from what you've heard from the public, unless somebody has another question. 1218 01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:44,639 » I think there are some questions that got sent over that just clarify before 1219 01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:49,199 public comments so they knew what they wanted to speak on. But like one is, you 1220 01:48:46,239 --> 01:48:53,760 know, retail orders, what kind of just quickly elaborate, 1221 01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:59,840 will there be public retail orders or is this all kind of fulfillment? So for for 1222 01:48:56,400 --> 01:49:04,000 IND3 in particular, um the way that system is set and it again we we invite 1223 01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:11,119 anyone that wants to come in and see it. Um council members, we we'd love to host 1224 01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:16,880 you again. That facility runs retail orders for the entire country. So 1225 01:49:14,719 --> 01:49:21,280 those.com orders that you think of that are placed whether they're here in 1226 01:49:18,159 --> 01:49:26,639 Indianapolis, here in Indiana, as far as away as Utah or West Virginia, where it 1227 01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:30,480 may come from, that facility processes retail orders. So in that document I 1228 01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:35,280 shared with you last week about the number of the total number that we 1229 01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:39,840 collect and remit, for example, in sales taxes here in Indiana because of the 1230 01:49:37,679 --> 01:49:42,960 sales and use tax program that we've we fought. one of the legislative 1231 01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:47,280 accomplishments I had in Michigan and Ohio and some of the other states on 1232 01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:51,760 behalf of the corporation. Um, now all of us engaged in those online sales 1233 01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:56,960 collect and remit taxes to the respective states that those sales are 1234 01:49:54,400 --> 01:50:01,440 generated out of rather than when I started at Walmart and it was just those 1235 01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:06,000 of us that had a quote physical presence in your state that collect and remitted 1236 01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:10,560 those sales. So all of those are retail sales, but we are not open to the public 1237 01:50:08,719 --> 01:50:16,000 for retail sales. You can't just walk into one of our distribution facilities 1238 01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:19,280 and purchase, you know, the new whatever Apple might be offering or whatever one 1239 01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:22,000 of our online platforms might be offering for you. 1240 01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:26,400 » Uh another thing on the application was part of the employees were technical and 1241 01:50:24,239 --> 01:50:31,360 vendor roles. Just kind of explain associates and technical vendor roles. 1242 01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:34,960 » Trevor alluded to this last week um and in part of his comments as our general 1243 01:50:33,119 --> 01:50:38,560 manager. So, we've got kind of a three-pronged approach going on 1244 01:50:36,480 --> 01:50:43,280 currently. We have Indie1 that's coming online over in Planefield that's going 1245 01:50:41,119 --> 01:50:48,159 to transfer some of the existing associates here in Hancock County back 1246 01:50:46,239 --> 01:50:53,360 over to the facility that they started from. The second wave is of course 1247 01:50:50,239 --> 01:50:58,719 holiday season is upon us and we do ramp up with temporary positions during the 1248 01:50:56,719 --> 01:51:04,239 holiday season. So the application before you does not include those 1249 01:51:01,440 --> 01:51:10,159 temporary associates. It's specifically for full-time associates that we expect 1250 01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:15,679 to be as part of the expansion. So I think that number list we have listed is 1251 01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:21,280 at 400. Now, as we hire these temporary associates here in the short term, we 1252 01:51:18,239 --> 01:51:26,159 certainly hope that those individuals want to stay with us, do well, exceed at 1253 01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:31,360 their jobs, and are able to roll over then into those full-time positions, but 1254 01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:35,119 they are completely separate than what we're doing right now. So, the 1255 01:51:32,719 --> 01:51:40,320 application that you have before you is for those full-time positions. Um, and 1256 01:51:38,639 --> 01:51:44,800 then a few of those, of course, are salaried, as Treasurer alluded to as 1257 01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:48,000 well, in addition to the hourly rates that we talked about. 1258 01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:53,440 » I'm going to try to make these last two into one question. Uh, but essentially 1259 01:51:51,440 --> 01:51:58,960 part of the application process is declaring it, working with us an 1260 01:51:55,760 --> 01:52:03,119 economic revitalization area. So, just comment on Walmart's thoughts of, you 1261 01:52:01,119 --> 01:52:08,320 know, why this area? Why did you think it was an economic revitalization area, 1262 01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:13,040 somewhere to invest? And then also, you know, previous a lot of I think of our 1263 01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:17,440 last one that came before us, small business, they were looking to get an 1264 01:52:15,679 --> 01:52:22,159 abatement before they built. We all thought it was a great addition to the 1265 01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:26,480 community. You guys bought a building. I I think that's probably why you didn't 1266 01:52:24,639 --> 01:52:30,400 come before us to get the abatement and then do all this. But I just want to 1267 01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:32,560 make sure I want to get your thoughts on that. 1268 01:52:30,719 --> 01:52:37,119 » Yeah. And just from a historical context again some of this was before my tenure 1269 01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:41,760 enroll but um as my colleague as we came online specifically for the second 1270 01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:47,360 resolution that you have before you for what we call IND6 that's the building 1271 01:52:44,480 --> 01:52:51,468 that we have purchased. So in addition to the half a billion dollar investment 1272 01:52:49,679 --> 01:52:56,880 we're making in what we call IND3 [snorts] for the expansion and the jobs 1273 01:52:54,000 --> 01:53:02,239 associated with that facility. We also have Indie 6 coming online as well. And 1274 01:52:59,679 --> 01:53:06,560 there's a separate resolution for them for a similar abatement structure, the 1275 01:53:04,159 --> 01:53:11,920 same 50% over fiveyear that we've talked about. Um that abatement schedule for 1276 01:53:09,119 --> 01:53:18,080 IND6 is for new associates that will be hired into that facility itself. Um when 1277 01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:22,159 I talked earlier about how Indy3 and what we do there with our online and 1278 01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:26,400 what that provides with retail sales and how that program works, right? Um 1279 01:53:24,719 --> 01:53:32,800 whether you've ordered in Utah or West Virginia, how that works. 1280 01:53:29,119 --> 01:53:38,480 The geography of where we're standing is really really important to not only 1281 01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:43,840 to us but to all of the corporations that you see in this space operating 1282 01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:49,760 here. Greater Indianapolis, Columbus, Ohio, you know, this kind of 1283 01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:55,920 center center Midwest region provides us and don't quote me so 1284 01:53:52,880 --> 01:54:00,639 forgive me. It's like 80% of the population of the United States is 1285 01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:02,080 within 8 hours of where we're physically standing. 1286 01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:05,280 » I think you're close there. I've heard that. 1287 01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:10,960 » It matters. It really matters to be here. And of course, the opportunity to 1288 01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:14,880 work in Hancock County. Um we wouldn't be looking at a half a billion dollar 1289 01:54:12,480 --> 01:54:18,800 expansion if we didn't have a great working relationship with you all, with 1290 01:54:16,719 --> 01:54:23,280 the county, and with with our associates. And the I I said it before, 1291 01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:27,440 the better the county does, the better we do as a company, the better our 1292 01:54:24,960 --> 01:54:31,280 associates do um because they live and work here in your community. So, but we 1293 01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:33,360 do appreciate you guys having us and considering this today. 1294 01:54:32,719 --> 01:54:39,840 » Thank you. Okay. >> I have one point of clarification. In my 1295 01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:47,199 packet, I have three versions of the SB1. One is dated December, one's dated 1296 01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:50,719 May, one's dated July. And while they are very similar, there are small 1297 01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:53,440 variations. So, >> yeah. And and forgive me um 1298 01:54:52,644 --> 01:54:58,159 [clears throat] to to get back as I I mentioned this and 1299 01:54:56,320 --> 01:55:03,760 I kind of I wandered down a small little rabbit hole. Um and in coming in before 1300 01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:08,800 my tenure, part of withholding after the purchase, um you all in the state of 1301 01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:15,840 Indiana was going through Senate Bill one, right, which impacted communities 1302 01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:22,480 property tax. So, as in the spirit of working together with the county, we 1303 01:55:18,719 --> 01:55:28,960 kind of held back on the initial wave on um our initial application, particularly 1304 01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:32,560 on the Indie 6 property and why we why we had not come before you. So, that 1305 01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:36,800 might be why you're seeing a couple of different dates. 1306 01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:41,760 » The one dated 731 [clears throat] is the correct one. Correct. 1307 01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:49,280 » We're asking is the last one filed the correct one? It reflects salaries uh 1308 01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:55,040 current current employees 1,805 salary 61,300 1309 01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:58,880 number of additional employees 400 with an asterisk of include seasonal 1310 01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:03,199 technical and mechanical. >> Yeah, there's exactly those seasonal 1311 01:56:00,719 --> 01:56:07,280 coming on now and we're not we're not counting the the jobs that are currently 1312 01:56:05,679 --> 01:56:10,480 underway there with the act physical construction installment of equipment 1313 01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:13,599 and all that stuff that's >> let me hold that right here for a 1314 01:56:11,599 --> 01:56:17,520 second. So the document drafted the resolution that should be signing it 1315 01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:21,520 actually says plus 200 new employees on that one 1316 01:56:18,239 --> 01:56:24,560 » that that's for Indie 6. That's the new per the new 1317 01:56:22,639 --> 01:56:28,880 » that's I think that isn't this Indie 300 cuz it's 1,886 1318 01:56:27,119 --> 01:56:33,199 existing employees plus 200 new employees. I thought the resolution said 1319 01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:37,280 400 employees that there were two separate resolution [clears throat] 1320 01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:41,599 says >> the other the other resolution says zero 1321 01:56:39,679 --> 01:56:45,360 existing employees plus 300 new employees 1322 01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:49,199 » throw out the two >> and that's and that's what I thought was 1323 01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:54,000 six >> that should be that if there's zero 1324 01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:58,400 existing then that would be yes so this is the one that Keley's been 1325 01:56:56,480 --> 01:57:03,280 talking about which is building three it currently has 1,886 existing plus 200 1326 01:57:01,280 --> 01:57:07,760 new employees. And then she said that there's two different S. 1327 01:57:06,159 --> 01:57:14,800 » Yeah. What's what we have attached to the resolution for consideration says 1328 01:57:10,639 --> 01:57:20,021 you have 1,886 employees, 57,500 a year average salary with 200 1329 01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:25,840 additionals. And then that [clears throat] is dated May 6. And then 1330 01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:32,480 there's two other SB1s with the same address on uh West 500 North. One is all 1331 01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:39,440 the way back in December of last year. Um and that other than some other than a 1332 01:57:36,639 --> 01:57:43,280 lower salary, it's looks substantially similar, but the [clears throat] most 1333 01:57:40,639 --> 01:57:46,719 recent one is July 31st and it has higher salaries and higher 1334 01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:49,119 employees. >> That one should say 400. 1335 01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:51,760 » It does. Right. >> So it's your intention to use the most 1336 01:57:50,719 --> 01:57:55,119 recent one? Yes. >> 400 with the salary 61,300 1337 01:57:54,400 --> 01:58:00,239 » for D3. >> So then on page two, uh, Scott Banky, 1338 01:57:58,239 --> 01:58:05,760 legal council, page two, we have that changed to say plus 400 new employees 1339 01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:09,920 on the resolution for that one. >> It does. 1340 01:58:06,800 --> 01:58:12,560 » My version says 200. >> Yeah, this one. 1341 01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:14,159 » See, our version says 200, >> Randy. 1342 01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:16,400 » Yeah, >> absolutely support that amendment. 1343 01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:18,000 » Okay. >> Completely. 1344 01:58:17,119 --> 01:58:21,760 » We can include that. >> Say mine says 1345 01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:24,320 a big deal. I just want to clarify since we have more than one 1346 01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:28,719 » 300. Yeah, >> but it's 400. 1347 01:58:26,159 --> 01:58:31,280 » Yours is red light. >> Yeah, but hers does say four. 1348 01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:33,760 » Yeah, her version says 400. >> You just got two different 1349 01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:37,920 » We have two different versions. We'll make sure the one we signed says 400, 1350 01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:40,320 » right? We'll pass the one says 400. >> Thank you for the hopefully. 1351 01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:44,239 » Oh, that's fine. >> Is that what your original says then 1352 01:58:42,239 --> 01:58:47,679 » 100 is would be perfect. >> We don't have one that says 400. 1353 01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:50,320 » Well, she does somehow. >> That's interesting. How did you get 1354 01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:53,679 that? >> I just got yours from Randy, I believe. 1355 01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:56,719 » Did you print it out? >> They just Yeah, I printed it, but they 1356 01:58:55,599 --> 01:58:58,800 sent it to me and I got >> Oh, she printed it out. It's something 1357 01:58:58,239 --> 01:59:02,159 they sent. >> No, mine was in my packet. 1358 01:59:00,159 --> 01:59:03,920 » It's in Mine's in my packet. It's in the packet 1359 01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:07,440 » yesterday. >> Oh, Randy sent it up to her. 1360 01:59:06,719 --> 01:59:14,320 » Okay. >> So, she Okay. So, the one you sent out 1361 01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:20,320 had the wrong version. It's good for them to 1362 01:59:16,639 --> 01:59:26,760 » one is dated 731 >> 26 and it says 400 1363 01:59:22,719 --> 01:59:26,760 » these numbers 1364 01:59:27,760 --> 01:59:33,360 to show 400 >> and it also has the wrong 1365 01:59:31,360 --> 01:59:35,440 » it just has to have the right resolution >> higher 1366 01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:41,119 » yeah it doesn't have the correct salary either on my page two 1367 01:59:37,119 --> 01:59:45,599 » that's fine the latest SP1 should have updated salaries and the correct number 1368 01:59:43,119 --> 01:59:50,320 of 400 00 and then obviously yes we would appro if there's an amendment that 1369 01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:54,800 needs to be offered to make sure that the resolution mirrors that 400 we 1370 01:59:53,360 --> 02:00:00,080 certainly support your offer >> SP1 says 400 too they both do 1371 01:59:57,599 --> 02:00:03,440 » but the um so the so the resolution we have in front of us I mean it's mostly 1372 02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:07,599 right except >> 400 employees not 200 is the intention 1373 02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:13,119 » and then the money amount >> the money amount is 1374 02:00:09,119 --> 02:00:18,719 » and and it's 61,300 instead of 57,500 1375 02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:26,599 » 61,300. And so then that number 1376 02:00:21,840 --> 02:00:26,599 that'd be times 2286 employees 1377 02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:37,880 286 or 2,286 employees 1378 02:00:33,599 --> 02:00:37,880 is 140,131,800. 1379 02:00:39,040 --> 02:00:43,159 Feel free to check my math. Someone 1380 02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:53,199 And and to be clear, we we certainly hope we exceed that number. 1381 02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:56,000 » Mine says 200. >> Yes. Comfortable with my package says 1382 02:00:55,520 --> 02:01:01,520 200. >> Should this should this resolution 1383 02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:07,040 specify 200 full-time and 200 1384 02:01:04,400 --> 02:01:11,040 seasonal in contract? or you know he's someday they're going to come back later 1385 02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:15,840 right with their CF1 and we won't be all the same people sitting here and I just 1386 02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:20,400 want to make sure that we're differentiating as much as necessary 1387 02:01:18,320 --> 02:01:25,040 that all 400 are not permanent year- round employees 1388 02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:28,560 that's correct right 200 >> 200 are expected to be 1389 02:01:26,560 --> 02:01:31,360 » we're we're comfortable with you doing 400 1390 02:01:29,280 --> 02:01:34,560 » we're comfortable 400 saying that it's going to be more when they 1391 02:01:33,040 --> 02:01:37,440 » bring the seasonal in >> it just picked have the wrong 1392 02:01:36,320 --> 02:01:41,360 » Okay, we got it. >> All right. Anything else on clarifying? 1393 02:01:39,679 --> 02:01:44,480 » Sorry, but that's not keeping you back on schedule. 1394 02:01:42,159 --> 02:01:49,280 » That's okay. That's okay. >> All right. I'll have you take a seat, 1395 02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:52,960 Eric, and then um All right. Now, at this time, we're going to open this up 1396 02:01:50,639 --> 02:01:59,119 to public comment. Please understand this public comment section is about the 1397 02:01:56,320 --> 02:02:03,119 Walmart personal property. Although, we will have another opportunity next month 1398 02:02:01,040 --> 02:02:06,719 also talk about Walmart. But because we're voting today, we wanted to give 1399 02:02:04,239 --> 02:02:09,679 the public a chance to speak. So, this is not the time. I know we've gotten a 1400 02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:13,920 lot of emails and I believe all of us are reading them pretty diligently uh 1401 02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:19,440 about data centers. This is about the Walmart uh 1402 02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:24,480 property tax abatement for two buildings. So, who wants to speak? Mr. 1403 02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:27,719 Overhouser, you like to go first? Come on up. 1404 02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:33,360 Name is Paul Overhouser, correct? >> Yes. 1405 02:02:31,804 --> 02:02:37,119 [snorts] Thank you, council members. I appreciate the opportunity to address 1406 02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:42,800 you this morning. I think there are several reasons why this council should 1407 02:02:39,599 --> 02:02:48,960 not uh approve these applications for abatement requests by uh Walmart. I have 1408 02:02:46,719 --> 02:02:54,639 several reasons for them. The first two I think are really the most important 1409 02:02:51,440 --> 02:03:00,800 because I think these abatement requests actually would violate the abatement 1410 02:02:57,360 --> 02:03:06,719 statute that we have here in Indiana. Now, I did get a copy of the draft 1411 02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:11,760 resolution for both of these uh abatement applications, 1412 02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:18,480 and they have this sentence in them. They say, "The equipment is to be 1413 02:03:14,639 --> 02:03:26,560 installed in real property improvement in an area previously declared to be an 1414 02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:30,159 ERRA or economic redevelopment area." previously 1415 02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:34,880 » paragraph you're referring to and >> uh it's the second whereas paragraph on 1416 02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:40,000 the first page of the proposed resolution. 1417 02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:44,560 So the proposed resolution says that this area was previously declared to be 1418 02:03:43,599 --> 02:03:47,679 an erra. >> It's it's the first paragraph Scott. 1419 02:03:47,040 --> 02:03:50,639 » Yeah. I'm looking >> Oh, okay. Okay. I just want you know 1420 02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:56,000 » you Sorry about >> I wanted him to clarify so everybody 1421 02:03:52,719 --> 02:04:02,639 knows. Yeah. You go ahead, Paul. Uh but the the abatement statute requires 1422 02:03:59,599 --> 02:04:07,840 a finding by the council that the land now has to be an economic redevelopment 1423 02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:11,960 area. Specifically, I refer you to Indiana Code 6-1.1-2.1-1. 1424 02:04:14,080 --> 02:04:25,119 And that requires that the definition of an economic redevelopment area be land 1425 02:04:20,639 --> 02:04:30,080 that quote has become undesirable for or impossible of normal development and 1426 02:04:27,520 --> 02:04:34,239 occupancy because of a lack of development, sessation of growth, 1427 02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:38,480 deterioration of improvements or character of occupancy. age, 1428 02:04:36,239 --> 02:04:45,440 obsolescence or substandard buildings. 1429 02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:50,960 That does not describe either IND6 or IND3. Both those properties have brand 1430 02:04:48,800 --> 02:04:56,239 new warehouses on them. The one on Indie3 1431 02:04:52,800 --> 02:05:02,960 cost about $250 million. The one on Indie 6 cost, I think, in excess of 1432 02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:08,880 hund00 million. So these are not economic revitalization areas that would 1433 02:05:06,080 --> 02:05:13,119 allow you to grant an abatement for them. 1434 02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:19,520 Second reason by the statute that I don't think these abatement applications 1435 02:05:14,719 --> 02:05:26,080 can be be approved is because Walmart is a retail business. 1436 02:05:22,400 --> 02:05:29,080 And I direct you to Indiana code 6-1 6-1.1-12.1-2 1437 02:05:30,719 --> 02:05:39,679 sub A and that part of the statute reads and I quote however the deduction 1438 02:05:37,920 --> 02:05:45,199 provided by this chapter that's an abatement the deduction provided by this 1439 02:05:42,159 --> 02:05:53,920 chapter for economic revitalization areas not within a city or town shall 1440 02:05:49,440 --> 02:05:53,920 not be available to retail businesses. 1441 02:05:54,159 --> 02:06:03,119 Both these facilities are not in a town or a city, they're in the county. And if 1442 02:06:01,280 --> 02:06:09,119 there's ever been a definition of a retail business, it's Walmart. And I 1443 02:06:06,719 --> 02:06:14,880 think Mr. Angus testified just a few minutes ago how from these facilities, 1444 02:06:12,320 --> 02:06:21,599 Walmart in fact does now and will in the future continue to fulfill retail 1445 02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:26,400 orders. So under this statute, these facilities are not eligible for an 1446 02:06:24,159 --> 02:06:31,520 abatement and I think there are other reasons why 1447 02:06:29,280 --> 02:06:37,760 this abatement should not be approved today. 1448 02:06:33,360 --> 02:06:42,480 Uh as the questions about the number of employees that are going to be there are 1449 02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:49,840 are are insightful. This is the second time for the IND3 application that uh 1450 02:06:46,960 --> 02:06:55,280 Walmart has come in and asked for an abatement on personal property. They 1451 02:06:52,239 --> 02:07:00,480 found an application in 2025 and in that application they didn't 1452 02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:04,800 identify any new employees that would be hired as a result of the installation of 1453 02:07:02,560 --> 02:07:09,920 this equipment. And today they're coming back asking for 1454 02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:17,119 an abatement on the same amount, $440 million worth of logistics equipment. 1455 02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:22,159 And somehow this year they say they're going to have 400 new people. But as I 1456 02:07:20,560 --> 02:07:28,159 think has been pointed out and there's some asterisks on this. They say that 1457 02:07:24,480 --> 02:07:34,000 includes uh seasonal uh seasonal hires 1458 02:07:31,199 --> 02:07:41,199 uh and vendors technical mechanical roles. So, I'm not It sounds to me like 1459 02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:46,320 they're referring to uh technical or mechanical roles that [clears throat] 1460 02:07:42,960 --> 02:07:51,599 would be employees of whoever Walmart may hire to maintain this robotics 1461 02:07:49,440 --> 02:07:56,880 equipment that they want to install. Well, those aren't employees of Walmart. 1462 02:07:54,639 --> 02:08:00,880 I don't think they count. Uh and moreover, there's no idea for any of 1463 02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:06,320 these employees how many of them are going to be located in Indiana. The real 1464 02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:13,040 purpose of these abatement statutes is to try to encourage the hiring of 1465 02:08:09,199 --> 02:08:17,679 individuals in the county because if they're hired, if they have jobs in the 1466 02:08:14,800 --> 02:08:22,719 county, they pay local income taxes to the county and that benefits the county. 1467 02:08:20,079 --> 02:08:27,199 But even if they work at these Walmart facilities, if they live in Marian 1468 02:08:24,320 --> 02:08:32,960 County or somewhere else, Hancock County doesn't get the benefit 1469 02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:37,920 of that local income tax revenue. Uh so even if there may be some more 1470 02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:42,639 employees what the statute weight baitman statute 1471 02:08:40,079 --> 02:08:47,119 says you're supposed to consider is the number of employees 1472 02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:51,400 and this this is let me quote you the statute again this one is 6-1.1-2.1-4.5 1473 02:08:52,560 --> 02:09:01,280 sub A it says the abatement application has to include an estimate of the number 1474 02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:05,360 of people who will be retained by the applicant 1475 02:09:02,320 --> 02:09:08,400 as a result of the installation of the new manufacturing equipment or logistics 1476 02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:11,119 equipment. >> Hey Paul, we Yeah, 1477 02:09:09,520 --> 02:09:13,840 » I'm trying to limit about 5 minutes and I because I want to hear other people 1478 02:09:12,400 --> 02:09:20,880 speak too. Is there anything else to wrap up real quick? Uh 1479 02:09:17,599 --> 02:09:24,480 I will respect your time and uh >> the only thing I had my comments the 1480 02:09:22,560 --> 02:09:27,360 only thing I had for you was uh >> to me when I was listening to the 1481 02:09:26,079 --> 02:09:33,040 obviously being an attorney I understand the statutes that Indie 6 is an empty 1482 02:09:30,639 --> 02:09:36,079 warehouse and so that I mean it's been empty for a while. That's that is a 1483 02:09:34,639 --> 02:09:41,360 concern. It sounded like that was in the statute where that would make it one 1484 02:09:39,119 --> 02:09:45,599 that we could by statute give a tax abatement. Well, the original Walmart 1485 02:09:43,199 --> 02:09:50,320 building would have been deemed an ERRA back before you or I were even here when 1486 02:09:48,560 --> 02:09:55,360 the Walmart got their first abatement, which is pre-exist, Scott, and Clark. 1487 02:09:53,119 --> 02:09:59,440 Uh, so it's been an ERRA for a long time. It doesn't it's not becoming one 1488 02:09:57,280 --> 02:10:04,159 now. >> Yeah. My understanding is that the 1489 02:10:02,159 --> 02:10:10,560 statute requires that for you to give an abatement, you have to find that it is 1490 02:10:06,800 --> 02:10:14,960 now an ERRA. Not you don't have to find whether it was an erra at some time in 1491 02:10:12,480 --> 02:10:19,599 the past as is suggested by this draft resolution is irrelevant. You have to 1492 02:10:17,119 --> 02:10:23,599 find that it's an economic development area redevelopment area today and it's 1493 02:10:23,040 --> 02:10:25,280 not >> okay I appreciate that. 1494 02:10:24,880 --> 02:10:28,079 » Thank you. >> Thank you. 1495 02:10:26,400 --> 02:10:31,760 » Uh who else would like to speak? You speak either in favor or against it. It 1496 02:10:30,079 --> 02:10:35,855 doesn't matter. All right. Mr. Bolander, come on up. 1497 02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:38,400 Bill Bolander. [snorts] 1498 02:10:36,560 --> 02:10:43,119 » It's good to see you all after these years. Um, I came to speak in favor of 1499 02:10:40,800 --> 02:10:50,400 it. I think Walmart's the biggest employer in Hancock County and the 1500 02:10:46,239 --> 02:10:53,920 biggest employer in the state. Uh, I would say a warehouse that you can't 1501 02:10:52,159 --> 02:11:00,480 go get anything's not a retail store. I'd throw that out for I mean, I'm not a 1502 02:10:55,840 --> 02:11:05,520 lawyer, but just saying. But anyway, um we'll make about I was looking at some 1503 02:11:02,320 --> 02:11:11,840 of the figures. I think we will gain about $27,000 or $27 million in taxes 1504 02:11:09,679 --> 02:11:14,800 and they'll save 10 million. So that seems like a pretty good deal because 1505 02:11:13,199 --> 02:11:19,440 that'll go to the schools for the most part the way I understand. So I just 1506 02:11:17,040 --> 02:11:25,040 think they're a great business. I think we want to show a positive uh a positive 1507 02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:30,000 vibe towards business. We don't want to wind up like uh Richmond and Newcastle 1508 02:11:27,760 --> 02:11:35,280 and be empty main street. I mean, if you look around here, things are booming and 1509 02:11:32,960 --> 02:11:38,800 I'd like to see it stay that way. So, I won't blow on. I'll just sit down. 1510 02:11:37,920 --> 02:11:42,159 » Okay. >> Thank you, Bill. 1511 02:11:39,679 --> 02:11:49,719 » Any questions for him? All right. Anybody else that would like to speak? 1512 02:11:44,400 --> 02:11:49,719 Um Leah Letterman, come on up. 1513 02:11:52,800 --> 02:11:58,386 Now do I'm I'm not I'm roughly doing five minutes. So 1514 02:11:55,840 --> 02:12:02,000 » this is quick. Um I want to start [snorts] out by saying uh at the last 1515 02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:06,560 meeting the gentleman used the term community partner and I really 1516 02:12:04,400 --> 02:12:12,639 appreciated that in terms of talking about abatements with developers. Um 1517 02:12:09,520 --> 02:12:18,159 because good neighbor is tired and entirely inaccurate. Um and I appreciate 1518 02:12:15,920 --> 02:12:21,920 Walmart sweetening the pot as they've come back for this abatement. um being 1519 02:12:19,920 --> 02:12:25,840 willing to work with the county and these additional perks and additional 1520 02:12:23,760 --> 02:12:28,639 benefits are nice. I do think they should have been attached to previous 1521 02:12:27,199 --> 02:12:32,880 abatements, but that's not up to everyone here in front of me. So, just 1522 02:12:30,880 --> 02:12:37,360 using that as an aside, but with these perks and additional benefits, I hope we 1523 02:12:35,119 --> 02:12:44,000 keep this in mind with incoming projects, with larger corporations that 1524 02:12:40,320 --> 02:12:48,159 can afford to provide Hancock County, not just with the trickle down to 1525 02:12:46,079 --> 02:12:54,560 schools and police, and I understand that. That's great. but some immediately 1526 02:12:50,320 --> 02:13:00,079 tangible benefits to the taxpayers. Um, and excuse me, I'm always nervous. 1527 02:12:58,239 --> 02:13:04,639 Um, I appreciate that the abatement application has been approved. That's 1528 02:13:01,920 --> 02:13:10,159 really great progress. Um, and here if this abatement is approved, um, we have 1529 02:13:07,840 --> 02:13:14,800 the opportunity to be proactive rather than reactive. Um, and I'm talking here 1530 02:13:12,719 --> 02:13:19,119 about the CF1s and the compliance issues that we've seen. um we have an 1531 02:13:17,199 --> 02:13:24,880 opportunity here to set a new precedent in terms um of of enforcement and 1532 02:13:22,800 --> 02:13:28,480 compliance with that. I know that there's a hesitation to to punish 1533 02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:34,400 Walmart per se because of what they bring in. Um and and I get this 1534 02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:38,639 logically, but with the optics there, I feel like it has the potential to send 1535 02:13:36,159 --> 02:13:44,000 the message that we're not community partners, that we're kind of beholden to 1536 02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:51,520 what the developers are willing to do. And um I think that 1537 02:13:48,639 --> 02:13:57,280 we excuse me I don't want it to give the message that 1538 02:13:54,159 --> 02:14:03,679 Hancock County tolerates sloppy or disingenuous developers. I think there 1539 02:13:59,920 --> 02:14:09,440 needs to be um warnings or consequences in place already like hey if you if you 1540 02:14:06,480 --> 02:14:14,560 don't do this or if this happens we're going to have to you know whatever 1541 02:14:12,960 --> 02:14:18,639 the consequence is you guys that's your job but just that there has to be 1542 02:14:16,639 --> 02:14:23,199 something in place because right now I feel like we're always playing catchup 1543 02:14:20,960 --> 02:14:26,960 and I'd like to see us being more proactive 1544 02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:31,713 and there's got to be a mural in there somewhere. 1545 02:14:27,920 --> 02:14:31,713 » A mural. Thank you. [laughter] 1546 02:14:32,159 --> 02:14:40,320 » All right. Is there anybody else uh for the public that wants to speak for it, 1547 02:14:36,639 --> 02:14:43,599 against it, or neutral? So, I see people out there that don't 1548 02:14:42,400 --> 02:14:48,560 always come to our meetings, so that's why I'm asking. 1549 02:14:46,719 --> 02:14:53,119 » Yeah, I was wondering where you've been, George. [laughter] 1550 02:14:50,400 --> 02:14:58,079 Okay. If there's no one else, all right, then I will then move it on to bringing 1551 02:14:55,599 --> 02:15:02,159 Eric back up here so that he can answer any of the public concerns or or if we 1552 02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:05,960 have any additional questions for him before we vote. 1553 02:15:06,079 --> 02:15:13,760 » I I want to make sure that the uh [clears throat] the resolution for the 1554 02:15:11,440 --> 02:15:21,840 5259 West 500 North, the second page is 1555 02:15:18,639 --> 02:15:24,000 correct. Is that the Is that building three? Is that ND3? 1556 02:15:23,360 --> 02:15:28,400 » Yes. >> I can't tell which is which. 1557 02:15:25,440 --> 02:15:32,360 » And I think that should read uh employment of approximately. 1558 02:15:35,119 --> 02:15:38,840 I'm not sure. 1559 02:15:38,880 --> 02:15:52,079 Uh the I guess the this shows 1886 existing but the SB1 shows 1805. 1560 02:15:49,840 --> 02:15:56,360 So that should be changed I think to 1805 I guess. 1561 02:15:58,079 --> 02:16:14,360 And so the employment approximately of 20 1562 02:16:04,960 --> 02:16:14,360 uh 86 would be what? 1805 + 400, 1563 02:16:14,719 --> 02:16:22,239 right? Is that right? Yes, sir. 1564 02:16:18,880 --> 02:16:26,520 » Okay. So that would be 205. Did we do the math? 1565 02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:26,520 » 2205. 1566 02:16:28,639 --> 02:16:39,319 employees plus 400 not 200 new employees with annual salaries approximately 1567 02:16:39,519 --> 02:16:45,319 » you you did that >> I had 140,131,800 1568 02:16:53,439 --> 02:17:01,439 for that was on That was on the 2086 though. But you're 1569 02:16:58,559 --> 02:17:05,599 saying that that the other one was 1805. So we need to alter that. 1570 02:17:03,599 --> 02:17:11,519 » So 2205 is that what was on the 731? 1571 02:17:08,479 --> 02:17:14,519 Yep. 2205* 61,300 1572 02:17:14,639 --> 02:17:19,000 is [snorts] 135,166,500. 1573 02:17:24,800 --> 02:17:31,280 Okay. And then that's [clears throat] uh the 57500 1574 02:17:28,800 --> 02:17:35,040 would be 61300, right? 1575 02:17:31,840 --> 02:17:40,399 » Yeah. That's what the July 31st SB1 has. >> And the 2,86 1576 02:17:38,559 --> 02:17:43,399 employees would be >> 2205. 1577 02:17:43,599 --> 02:17:51,040 » That's what mine says. >> 2205. Yeah. 1578 02:17:48,160 --> 02:17:53,840 » Are we able to print that? >> We've got it. So for the record, you 1579 02:17:52,960 --> 02:17:57,760 have the good one. >> We're increasing the salary. We are 1580 02:17:55,760 --> 02:18:03,359 increasing the number of employees and we are increasing 1581 02:17:59,679 --> 02:18:05,920 the total salaries paid. >> Yeah. 1582 02:18:03,920 --> 02:18:12,160 » Not not making it more in Walmart's favor. It is more in the county's favor. 1583 02:18:08,240 --> 02:18:15,160 » We had multiple drafts of the 1584 02:18:15,679 --> 02:18:22,319 » And then auditor's checking it right now. Yeah, I was going to say I I've got 1585 02:18:19,679 --> 02:18:24,479 that and mine came from the auditor. >> Mine's not. 1586 02:18:22,960 --> 02:18:26,880 » We received like three different versions. 1587 02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:29,040 » Okay. We'll get the right >> We're going to get the right We're going 1588 02:18:27,599 --> 02:18:31,519 to get it done correctly before we vote. That's 1589 02:18:30,080 --> 02:18:37,439 » But to your point, Keely, we're going with all the higher numbers. 1590 02:18:33,599 --> 02:18:38,960 » These are high the res the numbers. >> Okay. 1591 02:18:37,840 --> 02:18:44,160 » For the county. >> Can Can I read what I've got then? 1592 02:18:41,760 --> 02:18:48,160 » We're going to circulate the back. Right. Oh, you know. Okay. So, you do 1593 02:18:46,639 --> 02:18:51,200 have a typed up version that has all that. 1594 02:18:48,479 --> 02:18:53,439 » That's fine. Questions more. Good. Make sure we don't sign the wrong one. 1595 02:18:52,399 --> 02:18:57,200 » So, while they're while they're getting that ready, I know Kent wants to speak. 1596 02:18:55,280 --> 02:19:04,319 » Uh, well, no, I just want to clarify a couple things that came up. Um, 1597 02:19:00,800 --> 02:19:09,359 cuz I was involved in original Walmart abatement. Um, 1598 02:19:07,120 --> 02:19:15,280 and I know the question about retail is has came up in in the scenario, but just 1599 02:19:11,599 --> 02:19:20,000 because the company may have retail outlets doesn't mean the company uh this 1600 02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:27,280 specific uh yeah >> warehouse is a retail outlet. It Okay, I 1601 02:19:23,439 --> 02:19:31,359 know a lot of hospitals, big hospital scenarios that do their own 1602 02:19:29,031 --> 02:19:36,399 [clears throat] medical waste. Okay. But just because they're a hospital doesn't 1603 02:19:34,080 --> 02:19:37,920 mean they're a waste removal company. >> Okay. So, 1604 02:19:36,880 --> 02:19:39,840 » well, it doesn't mean a patient's allowed to walk into the waste removal 1605 02:19:39,359 --> 02:19:42,800 facility. >> And so, because we intentionally 1606 02:19:42,131 --> 02:19:49,040 [clears throat] don't abate retail establishments, 1607 02:19:47,200 --> 02:19:52,560 uh, strip malls, things things like that. I mean, uh, that's that's kind of 1608 02:19:51,600 --> 02:19:56,240 the >> I mean, the reality is every one of 1609 02:19:54,080 --> 02:20:00,479 those businesses in a warehouse is possessing a product ends up in the hand 1610 02:19:58,319 --> 02:20:04,560 of a consumer at some point. The reason that they have to warehouse the product 1611 02:20:02,399 --> 02:20:10,240 and move the product is because of a retail somewhere that's that's providing 1612 02:20:07,120 --> 02:20:14,319 it which we are happy that Walmart's producing another retail store up north 1613 02:20:12,880 --> 02:20:17,680 of Fortville >> uh because it's well needed with 1614 02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:22,880 expansion stuff like >> be clear our store here does wonderfully 1615 02:20:20,240 --> 02:20:24,880 » it's a great relationship with the town and 1616 02:20:23,280 --> 02:20:28,800 » we've been abandoned by all the other national companies or all the other 1617 02:20:26,479 --> 02:20:32,640 smaller we've been abandoned we have a a food 1618 02:20:29,920 --> 02:20:36,399 uh you know desert here and and uh it's taking a long time for anybody to 1619 02:20:34,479 --> 02:20:41,600 fulfill those things. So it would be a tragedy if if that but I I do appreciate 1620 02:20:39,200 --> 02:20:47,040 you helping us go through and staying with us in the process here and not I 1621 02:20:45,359 --> 02:20:52,560 don't want you to get a sour taste in your mouth. We do we do believe that um 1622 02:20:49,680 --> 02:20:57,920 the partnership for the next 10 20 years 30 years is going to be a great one 1623 02:20:54,800 --> 02:21:07,359 between us and and you guys and it's allowing us not to have to take on a lot 1624 02:21:01,600 --> 02:21:11,760 of other uh large entities to try to uh solve our SB1 problems and solve all the 1625 02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:17,439 other things. you know, it without Walmart then um we would be have to be 1626 02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:21,120 much more aggressive in the other things that uh that we have to put out there. 1627 02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:27,760 And um >> I do have a question not for Eric but 1628 02:21:23,520 --> 02:21:31,840 for anyone including Scott. So over 25 years they'll pay about 76 million in 1629 02:21:29,920 --> 02:21:34,560 taxes. So just roughly that's 3 million a year. 1630 02:21:32,399 --> 02:21:40,479 » Well, hold on. Stop there. The full boatload of taxes over 20 year 1631 02:21:37,359 --> 02:21:44,640 25 years would be 77 million and change. With this request, they would pay 66 1632 02:21:43,359 --> 02:21:49,280 million in change. >> So, you know, roughly 2 and 12 to $3 1633 02:21:46,399 --> 02:21:54,240 million a year that they will pay since this is in a tiff district. Help me 1634 02:21:51,359 --> 02:22:01,200 understand, is that more money that will come in that the RDC will capture? 1635 02:21:56,960 --> 02:22:04,640 » Yes. or will this lower the tax rate for the 1636 02:22:01,680 --> 02:22:11,600 » the it's the latter that this money does not go into the RDC. It goes directly to 1637 02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:13,600 the taxing units and it will lower their tax rate. 1638 02:22:12,479 --> 02:22:17,439 » The personal >> Yeah. 1639 02:22:14,319 --> 02:22:22,720 » the school township. >> Yeah. And and it makes the schools 1640 02:22:19,760 --> 02:22:28,399 actually the they're probably going to come along with the referendum. uh all 1641 02:22:25,520 --> 02:22:32,720 four of them probably in the next two or three years it'll lower the rates so 1642 02:22:31,439 --> 02:22:35,840 that >> their referendums will be more 1643 02:22:35,120 --> 02:22:39,439 palatable. >> The thing that Hancock County is 1644 02:22:37,359 --> 02:22:43,760 different in and it's RDC than all the other counties in the state. I'm 1645 02:22:40,960 --> 02:22:49,760 assuming all of them absolutely collect personal property tax also into the RDC 1646 02:22:46,960 --> 02:22:54,800 and we don't do that. Um, it's been asked multiple times to do it and things 1647 02:22:52,319 --> 02:23:00,720 and we've we've neglected it time after time. 10 years ago, I I I sat in 1648 02:22:57,680 --> 02:23:06,240 meetings neglecting to to let the RDC capture the personal property tax 1649 02:23:02,720 --> 02:23:10,800 because of the school. And so the the personal property tax abatements go to 1650 02:23:08,479 --> 02:23:13,200 the taxing units. It's not it's not captured in the test. 1651 02:23:11,840 --> 02:23:18,399 » Yeah. So, I just want to make it clear just for my understanding and anyone 1652 02:23:15,040 --> 02:23:23,120 who's kind of newer tuning in that there will not fortunately there will not be 1653 02:23:20,240 --> 02:23:28,479 more money going to like Buck Creek Fire Department. I'd like to see that in the 1654 02:23:24,960 --> 02:23:33,760 future, but this will directly help the citizens of Buck Creek Township by 1655 02:23:30,399 --> 02:23:38,479 reducing their tax rate. Am I saying that correctly? 1656 02:23:36,240 --> 02:23:43,359 » Okay. >> Yes, that is my understanding. Correct. 1657 02:23:41,200 --> 02:23:48,000 » All right. Thank you. >> Yeah, I I'll just say for the record, 1658 02:23:45,680 --> 02:23:56,319 you know, I was not in support of the request last year. It was for um more 1659 02:23:52,720 --> 02:24:01,359 savings than what would be paid. I had my idea then of how big of a discount I 1660 02:23:59,280 --> 02:24:05,439 thought was palatable and [clears throat] 1661 02:24:02,160 --> 02:24:09,840 this you know after further discussion negotiation Walmart has come back and 1662 02:24:07,680 --> 02:24:16,240 said we want to stay here and we want to do it and we will ask less uh in terms 1663 02:24:12,640 --> 02:24:21,680 of tax breaks and to what Clark was pointing out uh they're asking to pay 1664 02:24:19,760 --> 02:24:28,399 66.3 million over 25 years instead of 77.4 4 1665 02:24:25,600 --> 02:24:34,960 million over 25 years. I mean th those are fair numbers that I can live with. U 1666 02:24:32,160 --> 02:24:39,040 so I didn't support it last year. I do support it in its current form and think 1667 02:24:36,800 --> 02:24:44,880 it's very fair and makes a substantial benefit to the taxpayers 1668 02:24:42,479 --> 02:24:48,479 especially for the lack of burden it creates for them to put equipment inside 1669 02:24:46,960 --> 02:24:53,760 a building that's already standing there. 1670 02:24:50,000 --> 02:24:58,560 » Yeah. So, so the the from here we go to a declaratory resolution 1671 02:24:56,720 --> 02:25:00,720 » after if if it passes today. Yes. >> If it passes today, 1672 02:24:59,760 --> 02:25:02,319 » one or both. Yeah. >> Right. So, 1673 02:25:01,040 --> 02:25:04,880 » and that would be next month and there would be 1674 02:25:03,200 --> 02:25:08,160 » have a hearing and and everything next month. 1675 02:25:05,120 --> 02:25:14,680 » What is the uh ordinance or resolution number? 1676 02:25:09,600 --> 02:25:14,680 » Resolution number would be 2026-9-2. 1677 02:25:15,600 --> 02:25:21,120 » And what's and that's on the building three. 1678 02:25:20,479 --> 02:25:24,720 Yes. >> Okay. And what's the resolution number 1679 02:25:22,640 --> 02:25:28,520 for the ND6? >> That would be 2026-9-3. 1680 02:25:28,720 --> 02:25:36,240 » Okay. Uh, did anybody else want to make a comment before I asked for a motion? 1681 02:25:34,640 --> 02:25:40,160 » Clark, I think you made >> Well, I was going to more Whenever we 1682 02:25:38,399 --> 02:25:42,000 voted, I assumed we'd do a roll call and explain my 1683 02:25:40,800 --> 02:25:47,680 » Well, I don't know if we're going to do a roll call. Oh, I I mean my biggest 1684 02:25:44,800 --> 02:25:55,040 thing is if you look at Walmart, they have the size to eventually potentially 1685 02:25:50,720 --> 02:25:58,080 disrupt the retail food industry. If you look at what they did in Fort 1686 02:25:56,479 --> 02:26:02,399 Wayne, I know that was 10 years ago with a dairy plant, but they did another one 1687 02:25:59,840 --> 02:26:09,359 in Texas a year ago. Removing the middleman most often 1688 02:26:06,080 --> 02:26:15,040 increases prices paid to farmers. If you look just today, if a farmer takes a 1689 02:26:11,920 --> 02:26:20,800 load of corn to poet an ethanol plant, they can get $5.31 1690 02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:25,520 without a basis. And the positive or negative is just neutral. If they go to 1691 02:26:23,200 --> 02:26:31,600 a local country elevator, most likely they will only get paid $4.81 with a 1692 02:26:28,560 --> 02:26:36,160 negative.50 basis. That's a dollar more per bushel on a truckload of corn that's 1693 02:26:34,319 --> 02:26:41,120 usually around a,000 bushels. That's a thousand more dollars a load. you haul 1694 02:26:39,359 --> 02:26:46,880 three loads, four loads a day depending on the line. That's significant more 1695 02:26:44,319 --> 02:26:52,319 dollars in the farmer's pocket. We do want to stay an agricultural rich 1696 02:26:49,200 --> 02:26:58,319 community. And if someday Walmart does decide to upend the a industry again, 1697 02:26:55,520 --> 02:27:02,560 not not the a industry, the retail food industry, I would really like for us to 1698 02:27:00,479 --> 02:27:06,560 be at the top of the list and look at Hancock County. Whether it's a dairy 1699 02:27:04,319 --> 02:27:11,439 plant, who knows? Probably not a beef meat packing plant. And I don't think 1700 02:27:08,479 --> 02:27:15,680 that would fit uh next to a neighborhood um especially one that's doing 3 or 4 1701 02:27:13,280 --> 02:27:20,240 thousand head a day. But Walmart's pretty innovative at times or others 1702 02:27:18,319 --> 02:27:24,720 they work with. There's any type of innovation that can help cut out the 1703 02:27:22,880 --> 02:27:29,280 middleman and get farmers products directly to Walmart, directly to the 1704 02:27:26,640 --> 02:27:34,399 consumer that will increase the value for farmers. I sure would like them to 1705 02:27:31,600 --> 02:27:38,880 look here first and call us first. So because of that, that's why I'm pretty 1706 02:27:36,160 --> 02:27:44,479 supportive of this because I want to be at the top of the list if they do decide 1707 02:27:40,560 --> 02:27:49,439 to do any other type of a type building. And are you like, Clark, are you just 1708 02:27:47,120 --> 02:27:54,160 thinking pie in the sky? No. Look at Texas. They did a huge dairy plant there 1709 02:27:51,680 --> 02:27:57,880 last year. Look at Hancock County next time first, please. 1710 02:27:59,520 --> 02:28:07,280 » Uh, does anybody else have something they want to say? I mean, the only thing 1711 02:28:03,840 --> 02:28:10,800 for me was uh uh Indie 6. I'm looking at two different buildings. Indie 6, you 1712 02:28:08,560 --> 02:28:14,319 know, I mean, it's a u empty warehouse. I know the public have been very much 1713 02:28:12,720 --> 02:28:18,560 against we we're getting tired of the empty warehouses. So, the fact you're 1714 02:28:16,240 --> 02:28:23,680 coming in buying it, bringing a tremendous amount of jobs, uh you know, 1715 02:28:20,800 --> 02:28:26,399 with with good pay. Um you know, a different whole different thing when 1716 02:28:24,640 --> 02:28:29,680 you're doing large like TVs and stuff because I've gotten a tour so I know how 1717 02:28:28,080 --> 02:28:34,000 it works. And so, I'm really excited about that one. But for me, ND3, you 1718 02:28:32,319 --> 02:28:37,520 know, I might be the only no vote up here on ND3. But, uh, I think you're 1719 02:28:36,000 --> 02:28:41,200 going to do it no matter what. And so, that sometimes that's one of those 1720 02:28:39,200 --> 02:28:44,560 things like if if an organization's going to do it, then why would you give 1721 02:28:42,800 --> 02:28:47,920 an abatement? That's how I stand on that one. Just, you know, I mean, because I 1722 02:28:46,479 --> 02:28:51,760 know you're already been working on it. So, that's just, you know, it's kind of 1723 02:28:49,280 --> 02:28:54,640 one of those things like we always want this probably for the public more just 1724 02:28:53,280 --> 02:28:57,840 Walmart. It's, you know, because I know people watch this and want to come for 1725 02:28:55,680 --> 02:29:01,040 abatements. It's, you know, don't start doing something then come to us for an 1726 02:28:59,200 --> 02:29:04,800 abatement. Come to us because the only reason you're going to come to us is is 1727 02:29:03,040 --> 02:29:07,439 because you need the abatement to make it happen. 1728 02:29:07,402 --> 02:29:11,359 [snorts] >> So, let's let's look real quick at 1729 02:29:09,280 --> 02:29:17,600 history. And that's that's what I keep going back on. Um Walmart right now is 1730 02:29:14,960 --> 02:29:24,240 going to be our largest supporter of of our county for for an single entity. Um, 1731 02:29:21,680 --> 02:29:29,840 I grew up where we had a pharmaceutical company that was the largest supporter 1732 02:29:26,319 --> 02:29:34,399 of our county. Um, the the county council did or the county commissioners 1733 02:29:32,000 --> 02:29:38,560 did not support that that pharmaceutical company. They thought that they were 1734 02:29:35,600 --> 02:29:43,680 going to be here no matter what and they pulled out. Okay. Just like you said, 1735 02:29:41,359 --> 02:29:50,000 Clark, the things that happen in the future, that company is is a trillion 1736 02:29:47,359 --> 02:29:53,600 dollar company today. They're four times larger than they were at the time. 1737 02:29:52,080 --> 02:29:58,640 They're create they've created new products that require new facilities. If 1738 02:29:56,800 --> 02:30:03,040 that company was still in Hancock County, we we would be a totally 1739 02:30:01,280 --> 02:30:07,040 different looking county than we we are right now. And they had the property, 1740 02:30:05,200 --> 02:30:13,840 they had everything all set up. And as soon as the county uh fathers turned 1741 02:30:10,560 --> 02:30:20,000 them down on on a expansion or anything, they pulled out and and we lost 1742 02:30:17,760 --> 02:30:25,439 um it's it's it's hilarious. We talk three or4 million, but I'm talking 30 1743 02:30:22,640 --> 02:30:32,800 years ago, they were paying 20 million, okay, which is a hundred million today. 1744 02:30:28,800 --> 02:30:38,240 And so, um, we are fortunate to get another, uh, company back that wants to 1745 02:30:35,439 --> 02:30:44,344 partner with our county and provide jobs and provide taxes and and and it's a 1746 02:30:41,724 --> 02:30:47,760 [music] clean partner. And so, [clears throat] I it's very important in 1747 02:30:45,920 --> 02:30:51,520 the future, too. Like Clark said, there is things that come about that we don't 1748 02:30:49,600 --> 02:30:55,080 know about that could sustain the county for a hundred years. 1749 02:30:55,439 --> 02:30:58,720 » All right. Anything else? >> I'll move. 1750 02:30:56,720 --> 02:31:00,399 » Not. Go ahead. Make a motion on >> I'll move we 1751 02:30:59,439 --> 02:31:02,160 » one at a time. >> Yes. 1752 02:31:00,720 --> 02:31:06,920 » Yeah. One at a time. Whichever. >> Resolution 26 2026-9-2. 1753 02:31:08,000 --> 02:31:13,439 » So moved. I'll take second. >> Second on the approval of Okay. 1754 02:31:11,200 --> 02:31:18,960 Resolution 2026-2-9. So I have a motion, a second for 1755 02:31:15,359 --> 02:31:27,280 approval of resolution number 2026-9-2. This is for ND3 for those uh listening. 1756 02:31:23,520 --> 02:31:30,000 Uh is there any discussion? All those in favor say I. 1757 02:31:29,280 --> 02:31:35,280 » I. >> All those against I. 1758 02:31:32,160 --> 02:31:43,080 » Motion carries 51. All right. Next motion. 1759 02:31:37,600 --> 02:31:43,080 » I move we approve resolution 2026-9-3. 1760 02:31:44,960 --> 02:31:51,920 » Second. >> All right. I have a motion and a second 1761 02:31:47,920 --> 02:31:55,520 to approve resolution number 2026-9-3. This is for those in the audience. 1762 02:31:53,520 --> 02:31:59,359 Indy6. Any discussion? 1763 02:31:57,439 --> 02:32:01,600 All those in favor say I. >> I. 1764 02:31:59,760 --> 02:32:04,880 » Any oppose? Same sign. Motion carries unanimously. 1765 02:32:04,160 --> 02:32:08,399 » Thank you. Thank you. >> We will be back next month for the 1766 02:32:06,479 --> 02:32:13,359 declaration. Yes, Mr. Sorell. >> There needs to be a a motion to set both 1767 02:32:11,280 --> 02:32:14,720 of those for hearing and then set the public hearing. 1768 02:32:14,160 --> 02:32:17,520 » Right. >> I'll I'll draft the notice. 1769 02:32:16,080 --> 02:32:20,640 » When when do you need when's the public hearing going to be? 1770 02:32:19,840 --> 02:32:24,960 » October. >> What do we have available? Uh, next 1771 02:32:22,399 --> 02:32:30,880 council meeting is October 14th. >> Uh, we can do 9:00 a.m. 1772 02:32:27,680 --> 02:32:35,520 » I move we set the the hearing and approve for the hearing and 1773 02:32:33,120 --> 02:32:39,920 » second. >> Second. Okay. All right. I have a 1774 02:32:37,520 --> 02:32:42,960 motion, a second to uh set the the hearing for October [clears throat] 14th 1775 02:32:41,439 --> 02:32:47,280 at 9:00 a.m. >> and for approval of them. 1776 02:32:44,800 --> 02:32:50,479 » Uh, all those in favor say I. >> Any oppose? Same sign. Motion carries. 1777 02:32:49,200 --> 02:32:53,520 » Yeah, I'll get the notice. >> Okay. doing it to you. 1778 02:32:52,080 --> 02:32:56,160 » Thank you all very much for your time. We appreciate it. 1779 02:32:54,080 --> 02:33:01,960 » Thank you. You're welcome. >> All right. Next up is the budget meeting 1780 02:32:58,960 --> 02:33:01,960 update. 1781 02:33:03,680 --> 02:33:13,399 » Well, uh [clears throat] we reviewed all of the fund balances and found that they 1782 02:33:09,520 --> 02:33:13,399 were very satisfactory. 1783 02:33:13,439 --> 02:33:23,280 » Added needs uh for Scott Williams and Jeremy Tepen. 1784 02:33:18,960 --> 02:33:31,120 set hearing for the lit ordinance for uh 9:29 the joint meeting. So we really do 1785 02:33:26,880 --> 02:33:34,399 need to have a um a quorum of us for that meeting. 1786 02:33:31,840 --> 02:33:37,680 » I I will be traveling that day. I will not be present at my 1787 02:33:35,840 --> 02:33:40,399 » What day was it you said Jim? I didn't >> 29th. 1788 02:33:38,319 --> 02:33:43,200 » 29th. Oh yeah. Okay. >> I think that's a Tuesday. 1789 02:33:41,920 --> 02:33:45,600 » It's a Tuesday evening at 5. >> It's a Tuesday evening. 1790 02:33:44,319 --> 02:33:49,280 » Okay. >> We'll need joint meeting with committee. 1791 02:33:47,359 --> 02:33:52,319 definitely need a quorum. >> Four people. 1792 02:33:50,319 --> 02:33:54,880 » Um, great. 1793 02:33:53,280 --> 02:34:01,680 » And we talked about the sheriff's retirement plan funding 1794 02:33:57,840 --> 02:34:05,040 uh changes and uh and we uh reviewed the Mus Group meeting and that was it. 1795 02:34:03,520 --> 02:34:08,800 Unless you got something >> now, Key. 1796 02:34:07,280 --> 02:34:13,840 » All right. Next action item, approve minutes for August 12th, 2026. 1797 02:34:11,760 --> 02:34:18,479 » Make a motion to approve the minutes as written for August 12th, 2026. Second. 1798 02:34:16,960 --> 02:34:22,800 » I have a motion and a second to approve the minutes for August 12, 2026. All 1799 02:34:20,720 --> 02:34:26,160 those in favor say I. I. Any oppose? Same sign. 1800 02:34:24,000 --> 02:34:29,520 » Motion carries. >> Auditor business. 1801 02:34:27,520 --> 02:34:35,520 » Okay. Auditor business. I have two items. Uh, last week I brought you 1802 02:34:31,760 --> 02:34:42,080 invoices from MS Consultants for the county farm. 1803 02:34:37,760 --> 02:34:46,560 We reviewed the minutes for the entire year of 2026 1804 02:34:44,160 --> 02:34:50,080 and we could not find any discussion on where these invoices were going to be 1805 02:34:48,319 --> 02:34:56,080 paid. So I'm not sure if that discussion occurred at maybe one of the county farm 1806 02:34:53,120 --> 02:35:00,080 visioning meetings possibly. So I'm just coming back to find out 1807 02:34:58,319 --> 02:35:04,160 where where you would like all their invoices paid from. The commissioners 1808 02:35:02,000 --> 02:35:08,160 would have authorized the contract and we would have had to talk about the 1809 02:35:07,359 --> 02:35:12,399 cost. >> Yeah, we had to. 1810 02:35:10,880 --> 02:35:15,840 » We couldn't find any records in commissioner or council. 1811 02:35:13,680 --> 02:35:22,040 » What's it? >> I would think that would come from 1812 02:35:18,319 --> 02:35:22,040 economic development. 1813 02:35:22,479 --> 02:35:28,560 » Maybe what what's the amount? 1814 02:35:26,240 --> 02:35:33,560 » Uh the amount is totals there's several invoices. They total 99,676 1815 02:35:33,600 --> 02:35:38,880 and 111. >> But by the time it's all said and done, 1816 02:35:36,479 --> 02:35:42,800 I don't remember the final price, but I think it's in excess of 1817 02:35:41,200 --> 02:35:45,760 » I don't remember. >> I mean, I think by the time it's all 1818 02:35:44,000 --> 02:35:49,120 said and done, we were probably looking closer to 200. 1819 02:35:47,200 --> 02:35:54,000 » I thought it was a hundred, but >> Oh, you did? may well that's what I 1820 02:35:51,680 --> 02:35:56,160 thought but we wouldn't be paying in advance 1821 02:35:54,479 --> 02:36:00,160 » cuz there's like drainage you know like they're studying topography and drainage 1822 02:35:58,640 --> 02:36:02,800 and all that >> definitely economic development 1823 02:36:02,000 --> 02:36:07,520 » huh >> said it's definitely economic 1824 02:36:04,319 --> 02:36:12,560 » do we have uh funds appropriated in >> we do not we have we only have $11,000 1825 02:36:10,399 --> 02:36:15,280 appropriated in a miscellaneous line >> do we have time to go through an 1826 02:36:13,920 --> 02:36:19,920 appropriation and get that >> we do we could actually hold a public 1827 02:36:17,359 --> 02:36:22,319 hearing at the joint Oh yeah. 1828 02:36:20,640 --> 02:36:28,160 » To appropriate it. >> Yeah. Do we want to do just the amount 1829 02:36:24,720 --> 02:36:32,640 of the invoices or do we want to do some excess so that if additional invoices 1830 02:36:30,640 --> 02:36:38,120 come in they can be paid through economic development or do you just want 1831 02:36:34,479 --> 02:36:38,120 to do another appropriation? 1832 02:36:38,560 --> 02:36:44,640 » Why don't we find out what the commissioners um uh what that uh 1833 02:36:42,960 --> 02:36:48,319 contract was for? I I >> Okay, we can look up the contract. But 1834 02:36:46,319 --> 02:36:51,200 you'll have to list the current invoices for the appropriation. We'll have to 1835 02:36:50,080 --> 02:36:54,479 have a dollar amount. >> Put in the amount. 1836 02:36:52,160 --> 02:36:58,880 » Why don't Why don't we thumbs up to appropriate a 100,000 to deal with the 1837 02:36:56,880 --> 02:37:01,760 current invoices and then Mary, can you report back on what their contract with 1838 02:37:00,720 --> 02:37:05,439 the commissioner said? >> Absolutely. We can have that for the 1839 02:37:03,439 --> 02:37:08,560 joint meeting. >> And that's a thumbs up for an 1840 02:37:06,720 --> 02:37:13,359 advertisement, right? >> Yeah. 1841 02:37:10,560 --> 02:37:21,920 » Okay. Okay. Okay. And then one last thing. Um 1842 02:37:17,600 --> 02:37:26,319 the public defender had came oh probably a couple months ago now regarding the 1843 02:37:24,399 --> 02:37:30,880 one-time bonus that the state prosecutors were getting. That was 1844 02:37:28,319 --> 02:37:36,960 approved. I just have a salary ordinance amendment because we do need to add that 1845 02:37:33,760 --> 02:37:41,439 in that that the public defender and the chief deputy public defender are both 1846 02:37:38,960 --> 02:37:45,920 going to receive a $2,500 bonus onetime bonus. 1847 02:37:44,399 --> 02:37:49,040 » So moved. >> So what's the or here number? 1848 02:37:48,640 --> 02:37:52,319 » Yep. >> There you go. 1849 02:37:50,800 --> 02:37:56,399 » Got it. Second. >> All right. So I need a motion. I need a 1850 02:37:54,080 --> 02:38:00,000 motion uh to approve ordinance number 2026-9B 1851 02:37:58,560 --> 02:38:04,240 uh regarding the public defenders onetime bon uh bonus for the chief 1852 02:38:02,319 --> 02:38:09,520 public defender chief deputy uh public defender in amounts of $2,500 each 1853 02:38:07,200 --> 02:38:12,720 » suspend the rules to sign it today >> and suspend suspend the rules to sign 1854 02:38:11,200 --> 02:38:16,479 today. I need a motion. >> Well, he already said 1855 02:38:14,160 --> 02:38:19,920 » motion motion for Mr. Shelby. Do I have a second? 1856 02:38:18,160 --> 02:38:23,840 » Second. All right. A second from Mr. Smith. All those in favor of the 1857 02:38:22,399 --> 02:38:26,720 ordinance say I. >> I. Any oppose? Same sign. Motion 1858 02:38:25,920 --> 02:38:30,640 carries. >> I'll make a motion to I'm opposed. 1859 02:38:28,880 --> 02:38:36,720 » Oh, opposed. Okay. >> So, that carries. 1 2 3 4 51. 1860 02:38:34,800 --> 02:38:39,680 » You need a motion to suspend the rules. And 1861 02:38:38,080 --> 02:38:44,399 » that was part of the original motion. >> It was part of the original motion. 1862 02:38:42,000 --> 02:38:49,920 » He referenced it once I brought it up. Got 1863 02:38:47,280 --> 02:38:52,160 my motion there. 1864 02:38:51,280 --> 02:38:56,439 Okay, >> if it suffices for you. 1865 02:39:01,280 --> 02:39:06,080 » Any more auditor business? >> That was it. 1866 02:39:04,000 --> 02:39:11,280 » Did anybody schedule individually any additional public comment? 1867 02:39:08,640 --> 02:39:15,439 » No. I believe the only one that I received this morning was a gentleman 1868 02:39:13,200 --> 02:39:17,760 from Exitor, but I believe Scott Binky. >> Yeah, we we dealt with 1869 02:39:16,240 --> 02:39:19,439 » has already talked with him, so we're good. 1870 02:39:18,240 --> 02:39:23,280 » Okay. >> All right. And I will entertain a motion 1871 02:39:21,040 --> 02:39:26,560 to adjurnn. I think you guys said that one. 1872 02:39:24,399 --> 02:39:29,840 » So moved. We got a second for adjournment. Oh, second. 1873 02:39:28,560 --> 02:39:34,720 » Motion a second to adjurnn. All those in favor say I. 1874 02:39:30,880 --> 02:39:34,720 » I. All those against.