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Okay, we're ready to begin.

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Okay, it's 4-1. Welcome, everyone, to tonight's

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Hamper City Council procession and study session. We'll begin with a roll call, please.

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Council Member Kairis. Council Member House. Council Member Reagan. Here,

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Ice Mayor Paton. Mayor Martinez. Here. Thank you. Now, public comment, this will be, we're

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We're going to have a close session before we have our study session, but so we can still

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have public comment.

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30 sessions?

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Well, 30 sessions are considered special meetings of the Brown Act.

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And according to the comments from the public elevator to items listed on the agenda, in

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this case, it'll be the close session item.

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Please, maximum three minutes of the speech speaker, please begin your comments by stating

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in your name and providing City of Residence.

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Anyone wishing to speak?

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See and then, we'll move on to our closed session.

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And we'll begin the study session afterwards.

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Thank you.

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Report out from our closed session.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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There were no actions taken.

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Thank you.

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We'll continue with our study session.

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Study session will have a public comment section.

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I have a public comment section after each study session item will begin with our first item on the study session fiscal year 2025.

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26 and 2026 27 capital improvement plan CIP review second presentation. This is.

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We'll begin with our staff. Thank you.

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Good

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afternoon, Council.

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Christopher is finance director here with a team at this table,

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and then behind us as well of Alejandro Dolorio,

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a financial analyst, and Frank Centeno, our engineering and utilities director.

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So today we'll be continuing on capital improvement plan review.

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We'll be covering all the other funds that we didn't touch last meeting and so just a quick review of where we're at.

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This is the final review of the capital improvement plan.

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There still be more opportunity at future meetings, but today's the last day of formal review of that section.

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and then May 6th we'll bring the operating budget for review and then May 20th wrapping

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up operating budget and everything else presenting a personnel master position control to review

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and take a look at before formal approval and then just kind of hit any lingering questions

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that council may have. And then June 3rd, public hearing will be scheduled and noticed as required.

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And we'll be looking for budget adoption at that time, budget book presentation. And

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for all that, a new requirement, vacancy rate report AB 2561, that will be also another public hearing

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item prior to budget adoption and that'll be a presentation by staff just reporting on what the

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vacancy rate is among staff positions throughout the year but we'll be looking at the end of March

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of this year.

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So today we'll be looking at the general fund, measure H fund, transportation funds,

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and then remaining impact fee funds mostly associated with the transportation funds, circling back to

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the general fund, the staff would like to share that approach that staff took on that

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is that there is no surplus in the general fund for this upcoming budget year.

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Anything recommended for adoption would be taking out of the general fund reserve.

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So the process that staff used to develop that was at the executive level with all the department

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head that was the committee for the general fund capital review and all projects were rated on a

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level of either health and safety importance. Is this a urgent project or is this a project that

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can wait and is good for the community but can wait? So based on that ranking system and then based

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on if perhaps a project was attached to a outside funding.

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That's where the

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recommendations were developed and are presented for Council to consider today.

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The Measure H Fund, what we'll be reviewing today, has been presented and approved

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by the Measure H Oversight Board. So that is all in accordance with the expenditure

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plan that was approved by voters. The numbers may not exactly match up to that expenditure plan,

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but that's because at the planning level, that's how those numbers were developed with the

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expenditure plan. Now, we're going into budget. So, we're looking at budget numbers now,

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getting a little bit more nitty gritty. Over time, staff would anticipate those numbers to even fine

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to and further and today we're only looking at the capital section of Measure H. So there's

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still another couple million to look at during the operating budget review but that's what we're

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looking at today just the capital portion but again has been reviewed by the Measure H oversight board

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and that was unanimously recommended for consideration by City Council.

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So, Chris, just to add that, that also involves, because we haven't seen funding yet, just

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went into a fact on April 1st, we won't see the first set of funding until July, right,

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around the, you know, third quarter of the year, you know, but so your budget estimates

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are just that.

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I mean, just understanding, and I just want to kind of put it out there, those numbers for

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measure age could come in higher than anticipated or lower than anticipated.

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Correct.

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And that was some discussion at the oversight board level.

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These are based on current projections.

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They are actually a little bit lower than what was initially presented and presented to voters.

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We're at about 18 and a half million could come in under, could come in over.

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If we come in over, that'll be a good problem, right?

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then there will be more consideration, more discussion, but there are some large capital projects to consider there.

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Chief Lee, the public safety building, which will be multi-million, tens of millions of dollars there.

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I guess I just have a point of clarification from the operating budget versus the CIP budget.

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When you're talking about measure age in the operation budget, that's going to be the cost of the personnel.

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that we're going to hire as opposed to because we didn't see that in this current budget.

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So I just wanted to make it correct. Yes, the operating budget houses salaries,

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benefits, and operating expenditures. So today we're not looking at that portion today.

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We're looking at the capital projects. And from a capital improvement plan point of view,

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So it's mostly anything over 10,000 in value, typically it's going to be stuff that we would capitalize, which means we're potentially depreciating it and tracking that value over time.

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There are other soft cost projects that are involved in there on a capital

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like program basis and so you may see stuff like that such as additional

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maintenance for parks that's included in the CIP plan.

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So today we'll be looking

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at Council's feedback. I do apologize. I sent City Council electronic

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version of this but not a hard version. I know for myself I have to readjust every

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now and then and use my bifocals so bear with us and we'll go through this

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together. Alejandro I'll go ahead and turn it over to you but we'll go through

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the general fund first so any questions there council.

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Do you see a negative

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negative 913 thousand in fiscal year 2026.

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How is that? How are we? Because where is

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that money coming from? Because the grant funding is on. We have requested two is that we

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do that off to five. But in the whole, what's the plan? That negative. That negative come out

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of General Fund Reserve.

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That would be a decision that we need to think.

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There you go.

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No.

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Future.

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No, not today.

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The official decision will be scheduled for June 3.

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But today, staff welcomes council feedback.

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These projects that are listed here, like I mentioned,

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were vetted through the department head level,

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at staff level.

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Most of these projects, again, are associated

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either with outside funding or they were deemed important enough to present to

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City Council now for consideration to be funded out of the reserve because

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the large the 676,000 for the Great Separation Project that and when you say

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it's multi-funded was that because there was need for matching funds is that

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That's something that we had to or we'd be waiting for a reimbursement of that money when that funding comes in.

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That would be because I require matching funds as a requirement.

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I have a question.

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If we pull the funds from General Funds, is it pulled from General Funds as a loan and it gets repaid back into the General Funds or it's just using General Funds?

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It is just using general fund reserves and so based on good point to go into though, based on the City Council adopted reserve policy, should there be a surplus in future years, that will build up to continue to strive to reach the 35% general fund reserve goal and we are just that I'm

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have to look at destiny right now but 28% currently. So we're not there yet but that's

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still pretty darn good but it did yeah so we're not like that 1% so I don't think staff would

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be in a comfortable enough position to be able to recommend but I know that on social media certain

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people have taken and blasted our city in the last few weeks and everything's saying that we're 2

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million or we're going to be you know a huge amount in the whole over the next two years and everything

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else. And I feel like they just don't have all the facts with what they're putting out there.

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And staff will be presenting a balanced budget.

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So I'm looking at, I'm sorry, or 2026 and then it shows negative 913,110.

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What you're saying that is that amount would be pulled from the general.

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That's the estimated reserve contribution required.

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So then when you mentioned earlier when you said anything new meaning anything that doesn't say new on it

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You're talking about anything we would add to this. That's not already on this list

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Correct

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You said anything if you said anything new would have to be added. You would have to add that cost to that number correct or did I misunderstand?

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I'm probably on following and maybe I should backtrack to to clarify anything that says new there has not been it's not a project yet.

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Okay, so it's not part anything that says new has not contributed to the what we're going to pull from the general fund then it would.

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If it's listed in fiscal year 2026 or 2027 any of those middle columns it would be pulling it's part of those.

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the capital request row, I just want to make sure that the capital request, like 2 million,

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is recommended in the first year. Of that grant funding is 1.2 million almost, so the general

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fund reserve contribution would be a little over 900,000 and the same would apply to year 2 here.

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Anything here is funded.

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I'm just a point of clarification as well is on fiscal year 2027 when we look at in a negative

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1600 that's counting the 900 negative 900 from the year before so where is that in addition to

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no that is it's accounting for the negative 900,000 it's running about just a decrease of about 700,000

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that is correct. One no to make is that the projects that we have listed as

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grant funding, it's contingent on grant funding. I mean we don't receive the

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grant, we wouldn't be for projects. And that goes for the Greensville 9th Avenue

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roundabout that's contingent on the grant funding. Correcting is that matching

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that 340 is that matching funds as well? Where is that covered by the grant if

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you? Is this the one that Congressman Valadeo gave us that 7.8 million or advocated for?

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No, this was a, um, it was a federal grant that we applied for in addition to. Yes, and so would that be

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That's matching. Those two amounts would be our matching funds. Currently, what do we have in our general reserves?

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It is a little over 12 million at about 28% of the reserve goal.

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What we have in our reserves is 12 million. Correct. Okay. In the general fund.

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Yeah, we said because we set the limited, you know, the total limit of 35% of general fund reserve.

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That makes up that part of that 35% were at 28% currently after, you know, the previous decisions council made with regarding the settlement that we had no things that we had take funding out of the general reserve to cover that so to see that it's back up now to 28% and depending on, you know, the economy and how things go.

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we can, you know, I think it's not unforeseeable that we'll be at that 35%

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park rather much quicker than later. But also when we first got on council it was

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that years, it was at six percent. Correct. Right after that verdict. Correct. And it dropped

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us down to six percent. So we've been, I would have said, the finance department has been working

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really hard to even have only eight percent. How many millions do we need to go to achieve that 35% if we're at 12 million now?

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It gets just under 16 million.

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16 million total something, all four million.

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Yeah, because it's based on the general fund budget, right?

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Whatever I told the budget, so if it's a general fund, 40 million a year,

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I mean, 35% of that needs to be set aside for our reserve.

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So then that leads me to it, I should apologize, with measure age and increasing our general fund, quote, unquote, budget.

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Is that 35% taking to consider measure age, increasing, or is it just completely measure age?

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Good question, Vice Mayor.

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Measure H is, although it's, or accounting purposes

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and financial statement purposes may be considered

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part of the general fund, the accounting of it will be

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separate and the reserve policy for measure H is a separate 15%.

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just think, you know, most importantly for me

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is like, as I go through this list and I see,

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and I know the community sees it as well as the number

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of projects where it says new, new, new, new, new,

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this list and you start seeing the things that we have in the works, and I love the comment

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that my colleague made earlier in the social media and the comments that I've been seeing

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here the last couple of weeks too regarding, oh, Hanford's in a $2 million deficit, and

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it's just kind of productive to what we actually are, and to show that the voters have supported

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us with measure H, but that measure H funding is set aside specifically for capital improvement

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items that we put to the voters so we could see those improvements made.

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I think when you start looking at a number of projects that are on here and what's coming

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for the future, it's fun to see.

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And I just have to say just that comment that you see on social media.

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Quietly, your highly irresponsible in my opinion because the individual was a member of

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Council at the time that made the balanced budget policy and should know, and I think it's more so of, you know, clickbait in a sense to drawing attention.

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Yeah, I just think that's just irresponsible on journalism and itself for putting that I just.

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And I hope they do a follow up story on that as well.

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I hope so too. I really do.

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You guys are making me really glad I don't spend any time on social media.

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For the building that's the multi-generational building, indoor multi-generational facility,

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multi-funded, is that something that's in the journal?

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No, it's got a number.

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That's in, I believe that's in planning the planning years.

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Yeah, it is in the planning years.

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It doesn't start till 2008.

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We're not there yet.

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I know. Can I just ask a question about what that is? Is that going to be like what Lamor has?

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Is that what we're talking about? Like their rec center? Brad you want to come up and just give

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a brief vision of that. No, it's a great question. Really quickly in the 2020 parks and rec master

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plan the need for an indoor rec or multi-generational. We can't have came up with that. The new model is

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you know the seniors could share that facility during the day and the morning and then it kind of

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morphs over to a youth, more based.

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That's been in the CIP for five years since I've been here.

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It kind of began to plan for that,

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because there is a need other than long field.

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We have no indoor recreation at all.

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We've got the civic auditorium,

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but I wouldn't classify that as a recreation facility.

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I walked in there a while ago

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and talked to the ladies that are running it.

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And I saw all the different things that they have the different stations around there.

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I think that that's awesome.

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Are you guys going to be doing something like that during the summer?

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That would be a perfect place to take and use with all the stuff that we've done with the courthouse.

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I mean, with the Civic.

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Yeah, we're happy that the Civic wasn't already rented this week of spring break.

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So by allowing the camp to come here, we free up the Longfield Center, right?

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because there's a conflict there when you've got programming and drop in at the same time,

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even though we have the divider net, you've got a lot going on. So we're happy to be here,

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you know, to be able to spread it much bigger facility, pretty well located. We can get them

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get them around. So I believe our goal this summer is to be back in with the summer camp.

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I think there's those days when there's an event planned and now we've got to

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This place them for for short while I'm in agreement that this is needed and I'm just thinking about the things that people told me in the last six months

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People aren't gonna like that. That's put off till 2029 saying it's I was in agreement that it's a good thing

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there ways that we can take and do like?

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I mentioned it once before city of the more is doing a special kind of a thing a

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A nonprofit, I'm not going to say it right, but anyway, a nonprofit thing that they've got to where they can take and get donations from the public to accomplish some of the things and it's tied in somehow, another with the rec department or different things like that, can we get something like that going so that the public can basically if they want to, they can take and do donations to help get some of these projects to happen sooner?

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Thank you, Brad.

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What you're referring to is a foundation, I believe, and so we would have to formally adopt

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Parks and Rec, or whatever we want to call it, a foundation.

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Many of the larger cities have very large foundations that help to offset funding for

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capital.

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It could be for a number of things, so that is a possibility.

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We haven't really indefinitely looked at that at this point.

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If we could figure out a way to do it.

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I don't know who to ask or who could take and do it, but I would love somebody to take on that kind of a project that knows what to do like so maybe like you maybe.

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That could be a future agenda item.

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Be a future agenda.

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I think it would be a policy needed to be adopted by council.

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I think it would be a good idea to try.

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Yes.

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Just going back to the general fund.

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Some highlights here.

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Due to state requirements.

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Agri-cultural mitigation program development is in there, slated for the first year, several projects in there for public safety, primarily police, but however there's the two fire engines that are on their way, the equipping is slated for funding there as well over the next two years.

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I've got a silly question. What's Romeo excites?

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Okay, that's where I look to my police folks.

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Romeo excites or red dot sites that go on the fire, so you can shoot with both eyes open.

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It makes a really easy point and shoot. I remember now.

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Helps our police.

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No other questions? Move on to measure H. Again, this was reviewed and approved.

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for recommendation by the measure H board and it is in accordance with the expenditure plan but that being said any questions

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items to note this does kick off a couple of major capital projects primarily that comes to mind is the top the public safety building

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And then fire station number four, those will begin at least conceptual design and planning in year one.

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The question is a quick question on those two because, you know, especially with the public safety building and the fire, new fire station, the cost, right?

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As there are bend discussions or will there be discussions regarding as this first year's measure each funds come in, maybe an alternative mean source or option to get the project started.

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I mean, I guess once again it's like a bond or something like that to get the project started so we're not waiting.

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Yes, at a planning level, it appears that we could pay as go, so cash fund the fire station number four, that will only work to a certain point with the public safety building, because that's tens of millions of dollars, staff or cash that we will be able to cash or pay as go, at least for the first couple of years.

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but just depends on land acquisition costs potentially.

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We know that the concept or the needs assessment and preliminary planning will be over a million dollars.

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Recently reached out again to the consultant that had proposed last year for

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consideration to kick that project going but staff at the time deferred it and

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to see what would happen with measure H. So we'll be bringing that back to council.

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So, at least the initial stages of the public safety building would be pay as go, but then at some point we will be working with the city's financial advisor and HA advisors to see what options are best to fund that, and it would most likely be in some type of form of bonds.

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So, the 6 million that we have a lot or the measure age has a lot of, have they specifically said that that is going to be for

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land acquisition or that is for designing and engineering?

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Did they get into that detail or is that at a certain level?

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Like who did the measure age?

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Measure age oversight committee.

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There was some discussion of that by getting into the weed so to speak is not really the purpose of the board.

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is more review and recommend so that's at a staff level but we we did advise the

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board that we would be working with the city's financial advisor for a lot of

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that stuff and then I'm working with consultants too but that's a big task

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that Frank's engineering team will be taking on we do have one engineer that has

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some direct experience in another city's public safety building recently so at

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At least from this employee's perspective, I think we do have some good in-house experience on hand, which is perfect timing for us here.

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I have another question.

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Okay, he mentioned land acquisition for that.

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Do we own the land over there on the one way, 11th Avenue, in the one way, the South.

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The East Corner for Beacon used to be.

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Do we own that, does the city own that?

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on at this time.

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Oh, okay.

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That's curious because I know that that could be a possible location and I just didn't

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know if we already owned it or not.

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I mean, that in fill would be.

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It would be could be that's something that if the city council did approve I'm re-engaging

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with Darden architects, that's something that we would work, staff would work with them

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on identifying is that a suitable location and then see if we have a willing seller moving

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on to the gas tax fund. So this fund, just for council, quick summary here, this is a transportation

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related fund, so street related, street projects. If it's in relation to that area, it can be

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used here. So this is a restricted fund only for street transportation projects. So that's why you're

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like, no, I don't, I don't see a park feature. Well, it's because it's restricted.

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Streets not storm drains or sewer. No, unless it's specifically related to a street project that

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needs to happen as to be a specific or a direct relation to a street improvement.

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And sometimes those are necessary in order to meet greater or what not.

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I'm talking a little bit of engineering lingo.

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He did give me a thumbs up so he did well.

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TDA on slide six here is Transportation Development Act Fund. It's very similar to the Gas Tax Fund street-related projects.

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One thing, I'll just give a quick personal note. There's a lot going on. So we do. There will be a pool on staff resources, I would imagine. So just to keep in mind,

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and there's a lot of needs out there.

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There's still a lot in the planning years,

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and then a lot of these projects do take time.

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So just something to take note for a city council.

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But on this one, we're in the positive.

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So that's a good thing.

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Did you just explain the zinc blue backups?

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Is that another public safety type of thing

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or is that transportation?

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Is that with the light?

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Thanks for us.

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Each of our signals have battery backups in them.

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Zing Blue is the manufacturer that we use in our cabinets now.

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And the cobalt controllers are those are in those.

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That's what controls the intersections.

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We have 20 something right now that we can't even get serviced.

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Oh, really?

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They no longer service and we're making many more.

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Is that something that we're thinking in the long haul that we have to have those replaced?

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That's part of the in the TDA. I believe it's in that one are the measure age. It is budgeted for this this upcoming cycle though and these controllers that we're talking about, you know because we have a lot of red light runners or yellow light and it turns red.

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but does that help the timing on in, you know,

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a north-brown turns green as opposed to bed?

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And what that, that's all engineered.

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That's all engineered through these controllers of how.

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It's, so the state does mandate traffic counts

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and timing, minimum timing, maximum timing.

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So it's your traffic counts, the intersection

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that everything's taken into consideration

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before their program.

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That's awesome. Thank you.

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One thing to touch on that the vice mayor

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kind of brought to mind. You will notice in all of these other funds outside of the general fund,

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they are balanced for the most part. You see a slight negative there, but for cash,

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flow purposes, staff would not believe that that would happen. These are not all going to just

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happen right away, so it'll take some time. So the important thing is there that these are balanced

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in that they're not taking the funds into a deficit, which is just not sustainable because something would need to pay for it.

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And typically what happens is if an on outside the general fund goes in the deficit and doesn't have cash.

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So to speak, the general fund would need to do a temporary loan to that fund.

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And that's not what is ideal.

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So all of these are presented as a balanced budget.

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One last question, and maybe this is for Russ as well, on Roger's Roading 11th Avenue.

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Is that for on the signal, is that for a protected left?

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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Moving on to C-MAC, which is congestion mitigation air quality fund, that is also a restricted transportation fund, but it is specific to a grant being awarded to the city through K-Cag.

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So anything here you'll notice that it's a zero balance, whatever we spend we

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would anticipate getting reimbursement back. So these are the projects and

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there's a couple here that are contingent on grant funding.

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And I get you to go

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back on something really fast. The last one that had, it started off with zero, zero,

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50 TDA transportation, down about three quarters of way on that. There's one

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that says campus drive and it looks like it says CIR from Lacey Boulevard to Sixth Street.

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Are you guys planning on putting it around about there?

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That was my question. It's something else, though. Um, Frank or Russ.

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That is a pavement rehabilitation. I think it's cold.

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Something recycling. Well, then cold in place recycling. I was close. Okay, perfect. Okay, I'm glad it's not

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one of those other things. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for the question.

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Now looking at

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Park Park's facility impact fees on slide page eight. There's just a few here and

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slide nine.

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Okay. Just on the park impact fees. I know that in a future agenda item we are going to be talking

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you know, about the park impact fees and what legally we could use for them and how we could use this excess.

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Is this something that we need to have that conversation before, you know, or will after that conversation will be able to change something that is budgeted or the fiscal year 26 and 27.

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And because if we're able to use those park impact fees and we establish as a council

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a certain criteria, will we be just trying to, I don't know, I don't know if I'm asking

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that.

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I think I know where you're headed.

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Frank will be bringing at a future meeting discussion on the impact fees comprehensively.

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So we'll be taking a look at all of them.

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I believe all of them, right, Frank?

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Yes, all of them.

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Yeah, so they'll be sorry, but they'll be based on the list here of of improvements that you see here and then also projects identified in their in their corresponding master plans.

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So every I think every department has a master plan of sorts and so projects identified in that as well as projects identified here in your the capital improvement funds.

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which are really the project derived from a master plan.

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So do we issues that we would have?

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We have 4.7 million in park impact fees.

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That's just for CIP.

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But do we have more impact fees in another, you know,

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in our operational budget?

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Or is this all the impact?

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This is a capital fund.

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So it's everything.

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This is all the impact fees.

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Because I thought that that number was going to be around five or six million

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that we had talked about in ask council meetings and well it would include I mean what's not

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shown here are subsequent phases to these projects for example hero's part right now it's only

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showing 1.78 but we know that's plenty more than that so there's other phases that impact fees would

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would take into account those future phases as well because it was my understanding on impact fees

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that the developments in the area of a park like for instance all of that

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development was stone crest and pinnacle homes and around hidden valley park you

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know should be the beneficiary of those impact fees from that development and

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not necessarily taking to other parks on the other parts of the city but it seems

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like that wasn't followed that kind of that rule of thumb was not followed you know decades ago

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when those those impact fees were collected so is that a policy or is that some direction

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that we as a council need to provide to staff or have a policy put in place where we kind of

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make up for the money that wasn't that we could use some of this impact fees on you know the hidden

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Valley Park where it should have been used a long time ago.

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So when we come back, I know that that's one of the questions that was brought up by

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Council maybe a couple of months back.

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We will, you know, we'll be researching and try to answer those questions.

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Perfect.

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Thank you.

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And I guess conclusion to the response.

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Budget amendments may be done at any time by City Council.

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So outside of this budget process, should there become a project that becomes a high need that is up to City Council to be able to appropriate that.

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Now just the only thing I'd add is there's a lot of projects going on.

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So that would be though, that's why this budget process is a good time to take a look at everything kind of comprehensively.

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moving

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on to the transportation impact fees, so this kind of circles back to street related projects.

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One project that you'll see that's new, but staff thinks is a needed idea or needed project is developer reimbursement project.

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So as development comes in and enters into reimbursement agreements for improvements that are required when they come in and agreed upon.

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and its impact fee related or eligible, that's what this project would cover is that funding.

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So instead of staff coming to council to request an appropriation for reimbursement,

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that appropriation is already made and recognized.

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And this is based off an existing list that staff has potential reimbursements that are in the queue.

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moving

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on to age 10, the Quadix Capital and Replacement Reserves Fund. This one

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will take a while, so please take your seats. Now I'm just kidding, there's one

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project here.

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This is a fund that is

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a legacy fund from many years ago that had

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been used to establish some equipment replacement for the Quadix Center, so with

433
00:41:57,930 --> 00:42:02,470
with this funding staff is recommending the punch water slide repair.

434
00:42:04,540 --> 00:42:10,020
Is there any way possible or have you guys already gone through and figured out what

435
00:42:10,020 --> 00:42:14,600
the hourly schedule is going to be over there this year for the plunge?

436
00:42:14,740 --> 00:42:21,300
It would be nice if it stayed open and available later in the evening for people because I've

437
00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:25,720
heard a lot of people have complained because it shuts off at like four o'clock and it's

438
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:29,960
still hottest can be outside and if the kids could take and stay there longer

439
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,400
in the evening because I know we've closed it off for swim lessons or things

440
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:38,320
such as that. I'll follow up with Brad and have him provide counsel even if

441
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,040
even if they were to section off a small part of it and still have the rest of it

442
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:47,560
open to the public. But somehow another taken you know it's for the kids and if

443
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,880
you're going to have the kids use it. Brad's wanting to say something please.

444
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,300
We're looking at the hours right now we know in the past we've been a little

445
00:42:54,300 --> 00:43:03,060
bit and again remember one pool for different needs so open swim is one of the

446
00:43:03,060 --> 00:43:08,400
needs we have our water aerobics classes and lap swimming which are kind of

447
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:13,620
more fitness based we also have quite in-depth swim lessons that we feel is

448
00:43:13,620 --> 00:43:20,260
very important we feel it's actually a public safety need to teach young people

449
00:43:20,260 --> 00:43:25,980
and older folks to swim. So we've got all these competing. We're trying to balance out the

450
00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:32,380
best we can. I think there will be some adjustments the prior years on our hours and our schedule.

451
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,760
The good news is the majority of our lifeguards are returning. That's good. That's rare.

452
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:43,720
One thing that's really nice is whenever you have the movies there. I've been with movies. We'll be

453
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:48,240
back. I've taken them to my grandkids a few times and they really enjoyed it. Brad is the

454
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:52,940
hampered piranhas using our pool or they are at different locations because I know they have

455
00:43:52,940 --> 00:43:59,480
used the plunge in the past which took up that a lot of that evening and after four o'clock time

456
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:05,600
frame because I you know the hottest part of the day is two three p.m. but it doesn't start going

457
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:13,980
down until seven eight or so I have requested time we haven't made a final on that at this point

458
00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:18,980
Even if we check to see if the high schools would allow them to take and have swim lessons at the high school

459
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,540
They will not

460
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,200
That's that question

461
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,820
Maybe we can ask again

462
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,640
No, I don't even have the right pools these programs that you have are they

463
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:38,340
Is there a fee on these programs? Yes for of course swim lessons open swim that type of thing

464
00:44:38,340 --> 00:44:41,520
We do offer financial aid on all of that

465
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:48,700
Okay, but as far as public there's just a minimum fee. It's three dollars. Okay, the day.

466
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:58,400
Again, but like Ms. Reagan was saying the pool has been they closed at four o'clock. How does part of the day? I mean

467
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,580
Or to allow parents to bring kids to swim lessons. But again, we'll close in a public facility to the public. The public is taking swim lessons. Majority of the public doesn't take to swim lessons. I mean, we're closing a public facility that was an intended to serve the public and servant using it for specific programs. I think we need to consider what's important for the public. Could we have the swim lessons like from seven to eight or later in the evening?

468
00:45:29,580 --> 00:45:35,360
We're looking at it all right now. I don't think tonight is the night to make those decisions.

469
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:40,820
Yeah, I think let's get back to the budget. We're kind of struggling into that.

470
00:45:41,060 --> 00:45:42,020
I apologize.

471
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:52,600
That is, oh, just for taking a soft track. Going, circling back, if there's

472
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:58,980
no other questions, again, just the next steps will be operating budget review next month and

473
00:45:58,980 --> 00:46:07,240
and a budget review wrap up over the next couple of meetings and then public hearing on June 3rd for budget adoption.

474
00:46:07,940 --> 00:46:15,400
So at this time, just like to end it back to Council for any final comments, questions.

475
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:25,340
I think most importantly, I think just, you know, this is just one phase of the budget process, right?

476
00:46:25,340 --> 00:46:30,780
I'm showing the community what the capital improvement projects, what they are, what they

477
00:46:30,780 --> 00:46:36,400
look like, because the next five, seven, ten years down the road future, and what we can

478
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:36,840
accomplish.

479
00:46:37,020 --> 00:46:39,100
And like I said earlier, there's a lot going on here.

480
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:46,480
And I think we have to be careful as a council adding to that what's going on category.

481
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:52,200
We've talked about the last couple of years about the need for the road repairs and all

482
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:52,380
that.

483
00:46:52,380 --> 00:47:09,600
And so now is this funding starts coming in and we start spending having those funds available to do those improvements for the community, which are much needed, you know, that's what I like about this plan at locks us in. It kind of gives us a pretty good direction of where we need to go and what needs to be accomplished over that next five to 10 year limit.

484
00:47:09,860 --> 00:47:18,540
So thanks for the hard work. I think it's very comprehensive, but it goes to show the community just what's out there and what we have in the works.

485
00:47:18,540 --> 00:47:23,060
everyone knows government moves slow unfortunately privately you can get

486
00:47:23,060 --> 00:47:27,600
things done quicker but you're dealing with this type of money and this and

487
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:32,520
these projects of this size it's their significance so thank you for the time

488
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:33,880
and I appreciate the presentation.

489
00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:38,560
One other question really fast rolling down a

490
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,640
little bit I see airport capital and I see it they have no funds available at all

491
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:49,120
or they don't have anything I mean how do we take and maintain the airport if

492
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:50,700
there's no budget listed though.

493
00:47:53,490 --> 00:47:54,050
8-6.

494
00:47:54,810 --> 00:47:55,630
And the one one?

495
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:58,590
Oh, you're telling me to tell you in page 6.

496
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:59,530
Page 6.

497
00:48:11,330 --> 00:48:13,750
That was covered last meeting.

498
00:48:13,970 --> 00:48:18,030
And what staff projects is that those are needed improvements

499
00:48:18,030 --> 00:48:22,710
and those will be covered by future revenues,

500
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:24,770
primarily from the sale of fuel.

501
00:48:25,470 --> 00:48:27,990
So there will be recovery there.

502
00:48:28,510 --> 00:48:30,190
That's what staff anticipates.

503
00:48:30,190 --> 00:48:34,710
But it is limited so there's only only those couple of projects being proposed.

504
00:48:35,310 --> 00:48:36,490
Okay, thank you.

505
00:48:36,490 --> 00:48:38,470
Mr. Mayor, I have one question to be made.

506
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:45,950
Right above that, we see the landscape assessment district 0.250.

507
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:51,750
You know, doing a glacier play equipment and putting equipment in.

508
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:54,730
I think that might be a equipment replacement.

509
00:48:54,730 --> 00:49:02,830
There are other LEDs that are needing some improvements, is this the time to, and they

510
00:49:02,830 --> 00:49:10,790
do have money in their levy or not the levy, but the fun balance.

511
00:49:11,330 --> 00:49:20,870
Is this the time to kind of look at those other LEDs that need some repair, or can we do

512
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:24,610
do that at a separate council meeting.

513
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:31,210
At this time, staff wouldn't be prepared to have an in-depth discussion on that.

514
00:49:31,470 --> 00:49:36,250
But I think City Council comments on any that are known are welcome.

515
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:41,590
And then we can follow up at a staff level and work on developing a plan.

516
00:49:42,070 --> 00:49:50,250
I know at a staff level, we will be having another discussion regarding the overall condition

517
00:49:50,250 --> 00:50:01,250
of the LEDs and and finance will be working with the parks and community services department to more formally develop a plan.

518
00:50:01,510 --> 00:50:14,290
So we do have some internal workings going on, but happy to receive any comments on any known areas or if we don't need to, you know, gather consensus for possibly a future agenda item.

519
00:50:14,290 --> 00:50:17,170
It's something that it will be coming forward to the council.

520
00:50:20,860 --> 00:50:27,920
I'm receiving from different neighborhoods and different LADs, certain needs, whether

521
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:37,640
it's from lighting to new faucets, I mean, drinking fountains to little places to sit

522
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:42,480
in the shaded area, et cetera, basketball courts to be put on there, and they have money

523
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:43,460
in their LADs.

524
00:50:43,460 --> 00:50:49,220
And so I just didn't know, you know, I understand that we're not able to have that discussion right now,

525
00:50:49,220 --> 00:50:54,120
but you see that moving forward with a consensus for a future agenda item or.

526
00:50:54,280 --> 00:51:01,400
Yeah, that may be most appropriate, and that would give staff some more formal direction and some time

527
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:08,140
to go through all the information that we have and develop a plan. That is worth more discussion with

528
00:51:08,140 --> 00:51:11,760
city council. I would recommend that. Thank you.

529
00:51:12,740 --> 00:51:20,100
One last question, Chris. Do you know what the actual amount is that the city gets on gas taxes?

530
00:51:22,260 --> 00:51:31,200
The reason I'm asking is because there's somebody that I know that is wanting to take an open up a gas station and he hasn't done it yet because of impact fees. It's 150,000 for him to do it.

531
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:37,100
It's the place that used to be like a truck fueling station over off the 10th Avenue just north of the freeway.

532
00:51:37,580 --> 00:51:45,320
And I don't know whether it would be, I think it would be great if we could take and defer some of the impact fees to get them to take and get it going.

533
00:51:46,020 --> 00:51:53,080
Specifically, so we can start getting the tax revenue dollars that would be generated from diesel trucks pulling off the freeway and filling up there.

534
00:51:53,620 --> 00:51:59,340
You know, I'd look to rank if there's an impact fee deferral program we have. I'm not aware of one.

535
00:52:02,220 --> 00:52:14,100
We don't have a deferral program, but staff will be looking at some sort of a reimbursement program, and perhaps that can be part of that.

536
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:19,620
I think that he could generate a lot of funds because there's no place around here for filling up a diesel that I can think of.

537
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,740
And with it just being like a couple of blocks off the free, it would be a great location.

538
00:52:24,820 --> 00:52:30,180
I think that would be a good conversation to have in that future item with the impact fee consultant.

539
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:32,280
Thank you.

540
00:52:35,950 --> 00:52:36,850
Any other questions?

541
00:52:44,570 --> 00:52:45,670
I don't want any other questions.

542
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:52,940
Thank you very much.

543
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:53,920
Appreciate it.

544
00:53:03,740 --> 00:53:04,580
Public comment.

545
00:53:05,740 --> 00:53:08,640
Please begin by stating your name and city residents.

546
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,480
Hi, my name is Jordy Nelson. I live at 411 West Greenville, in Hanford.

547
00:53:23,940 --> 00:53:27,940
Vice Mayor Payton suggested I come and express my concerns today

548
00:53:27,940 --> 00:53:32,580
over the ongoing issue of my property and my neighbor's property continuing to flood whenever it rains.

549
00:53:33,580 --> 00:53:38,720
There are no storm drains on Greenville, so when it rains, the sidewalk and my entire driveway floods.

550
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,200
My property takes in most extreme flooding, often up to my knees.

551
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:47,020
It continues at my driveway, did the way the city installed the sidewalk when they expanded

552
00:53:47,020 --> 00:53:52,340
Grangeville. I have tried renting some pumps. It pumps out to the street and the immediate

553
00:53:52,340 --> 00:53:57,380
floods back down my driveway from either side. My driveway is beginning to crack, my picket

554
00:53:57,380 --> 00:54:02,280
vents around my front yard has begun to rot away. I've tried standbugs, not only further

555
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:07,320
floods the road. The standbugs also block my driveway and then enforce to way through water,

556
00:54:08,060 --> 00:54:12,180
on other parts of the sidewalk to get into my home. The only way I can get out of my

557
00:54:12,180 --> 00:54:14,400
My car during a storm is if I drive into my backyard.

558
00:54:15,180 --> 00:54:17,120
Even then, I'm still getting into ankle deep water.

559
00:54:17,820 --> 00:54:19,500
There are three drivers in my home, myself.

560
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,980
My active duty firefighter partner and my teenage son.

561
00:54:24,060 --> 00:54:24,720
That's three cars.

562
00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:29,020
Two people are still forced to park and need deep water and

563
00:54:29,020 --> 00:54:29,880
exit into water.

564
00:54:30,220 --> 00:54:33,220
We all keep rain boots and our cars in the winter just to get in out of our house.

565
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,900
The flooding is currently causing my neighbor's basement to flood as well.

566
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,060
I've seen people in wheelchairs and kids walking to school unsure what to do to

567
00:54:41,060 --> 00:54:44,880
move past my section of street, forcing them into the busy road of Grangeville.

568
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:50,940
I did advise that Mario, the city manager of my problem two years ago, during a massive

569
00:54:50,940 --> 00:54:56,460
storm. Mario did get me in touch with someone from the city. I'm unsure which department

570
00:54:56,460 --> 00:55:00,260
he worked for. However, he came to my residence and said, unfortunately, there are no strange

571
00:55:00,260 --> 00:55:05,080
dorms anymore due to when they ride in Grangeville to Ford Lanes. Unfortunately, my house is in

572
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,960
the worst spot for the flooding. He added me to a list of locations for a vacuum truck

573
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:14,980
to come and vacuum up water when it rains. During large storms they come multiple times a day

574
00:55:14,980 --> 00:55:20,660
and during the night. Short storms they come at least two times. Obviously never clearing out

575
00:55:20,660 --> 00:55:25,580
the water completely. I'm very appreciative of this, however it's not a long-term solution.

576
00:55:26,180 --> 00:55:30,800
I have pictures with me I can show my driveway and the sloping issue. I also have pictures of my

577
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:36,480
driveway after short storms. Unfortunately I do not have any pictures after larger storms. I appreciate

578
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:41,260
you listening and I'm hopeful for consideration that you will allocate some of these funds that you

579
00:55:41,260 --> 00:55:45,920
all speak of to my neighborhood and my situation. Thank you so much and I'm sorry I'm so nervous.

580
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:51,100
I don't, I don't public speak and I just, I wasn't here for my whole life, I'm from here.

581
00:55:51,660 --> 00:55:58,200
So I'm hoping that you can help me or at least look in some way down the line as is

582
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:03,420
my hunger of the block. Thank you. Thank you.

583
00:56:07,780 --> 00:56:09,640
It's Nelson thank you for coming tonight.

584
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,700
Vice Mayor Payton, do you have any information on the property that is referenced in?

585
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:19,720
She's providing pictures that I'd like to bring in your address once again was 411

586
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:21,020
Greensville.

587
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:22,900
Greensville.

588
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,000
I'm almost directly across from the fire station.

589
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:26,600
Our station one.

590
00:56:26,940 --> 00:56:28,120
I mean one.

591
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:28,500
Okay.

592
00:56:28,780 --> 00:56:30,360
You're on the north side of the street, correct?

593
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:31,080
Yes.

594
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:32,540
No one on this side.

595
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:32,960
Outside.

596
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:35,680
I've got a question.

597
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:36,680
Can I ask?

598
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,600
Mr. Mayor, may I ask a question?

599
00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:46,140
question for you. I know you're experienced on all this stuff and everything else, and

600
00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:50,200
I think you're the proper person that I would ask this question to. In her situation,

601
00:56:50,380 --> 00:56:54,540
if she were to have some French drains put in the front of her yard, would that help?

602
00:56:54,900 --> 00:56:59,140
So I had several contractors come, and they said that they would just flood my backyard

603
00:56:59,140 --> 00:57:01,980
inside of my front yard, so kind of in a-

604
00:57:01,980 --> 00:57:05,540
By French drains, it's basically a hole with a grace and with withs.

605
00:57:05,540 --> 00:57:13,320
My father's a contractor also. Yes, I have looked into that, but it goes under it's like

606
00:57:15,220 --> 00:57:19,020
It's a big hole. Yeah, it goes through your head over the top. Yeah

607
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,480
And it's in several pounds of like rock and concrete

608
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,020
And this is due in my understanding because you

609
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:37,060
So if you drive down Grangeville, you'll see on this side of the road. It's very level. It curves down

610
00:57:37,060 --> 00:57:44,060
this way. So my house then unfortunately has the lowest point so all the water

611
00:57:44,060 --> 00:57:48,220
just pours into my yard and then it when mine's completely full it pushes out

612
00:57:48,220 --> 00:57:52,300
to the neighbors and then flood the sidewalk. I'm not sure if you raised the

613
00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:56,940
curb of the sidewalk if it would help some but unfortunately there used to be storm

614
00:57:56,940 --> 00:58:01,120
drains you can still see them they're closed so there's nowhere for the water to

615
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:01,300
go.

616
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,080
I don't know what the solution is. Your neighbor is the one that brought this

617
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:17,740
My attention to actually supervisor Robinson and your neighbor. Yes, he came door-to-door. He was very nice and so

618
00:58:17,740 --> 00:58:25,900
Supervisor Robinson just letting the council reached out to me to see what the city or the assistance because when they

619
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:36,560
expanded Grangeville, it's my understanding that it was at a higher level than what the elevation of your home is which causes all the water to

620
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:41,380
you went to that. Frank, did you, I know you were, are you wanting to say something or?

621
00:58:41,780 --> 00:58:46,560
No, I just wanted to say that the information was duly noted and we'll certainly add it to the list.

622
00:58:47,220 --> 00:58:57,500
If you recall the last time we talked about the budget and CIP, we pointed out that the storm drain

623
00:58:57,500 --> 00:59:03,140
fund in particular was really in the negative.

624
00:59:03,140 --> 00:59:10,060
So, there is a list of other projects that are also in need, but we will be working on

625
00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:20,500
a storm drain fee increase, and that will be coming before you here soon, because there

626
00:59:20,500 --> 00:59:22,300
hasn't been an increase in how many years.

627
00:59:25,070 --> 00:59:27,890
The last one I think was 1999 or so.

628
00:59:30,290 --> 00:59:36,810
You've seen several houses where the French drains would solve that problem, and it's an easy, easy fix.

629
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:43,630
I have had my father's a contractor, but I also had three other people come, and they all said it would not be a fix for me.

630
00:59:43,970 --> 00:59:47,610
And two, I needed to get in touch again with Mario, so I am doing that.

631
00:59:47,810 --> 00:59:51,970
But I have definitely considered that as an option.

632
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:59,170
It's also not something that maybe that I should have to fund when I didn't create the problem in the first place.

633
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:11,680
Okay, thank you so much. Thank you for taking the time to our attention. Thank you. Anyone else wishing to speak?

634
01:00:13,970 --> 01:00:33,870
In none, we'll move on to next item on study session. Presentation of the city approved goals for the fiscal year 2025 and 2026 and discussion regarding some of the measurable objectives for each of the five approved goals.

635
01:00:33,870 --> 01:00:34,190
goals.

636
01:00:36,290 --> 01:00:36,730
Good

637
01:00:49,780 --> 01:00:53,140
evening now, I think, Council.

638
01:00:57,050 --> 01:01:01,470
Tag team in here with Jason Waters to go

639
01:01:01,470 --> 01:01:06,550
over Council-approved goals for the fiscal years 2025 and 2026.

640
01:01:09,700 --> 01:01:10,940
So a couple of

641
01:01:10,940 --> 01:01:16,560
months ago, a staff met at a strategic goals and objectives retreat or

642
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:22,340
meeting and established these. So these are from the consultant that was there

643
01:01:22,340 --> 01:01:28,380
and the report was included in along with your staff report for your review.

644
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:37,300
So this is all from those meetings, established goals and this will establish goals and provide

645
01:01:37,300 --> 01:01:42,580
direction on measurable objectives and furtherance of Council's goals.

646
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:51,060
So as we go through here, there's the five main goals that City Council has established.

647
01:01:51,060 --> 01:02:20,000
So we'll be reviewing that, reviewing the noted goals that were discussed at that meeting and then receiving, looking to receive feedback and direction from council on which goals to focus in on which measurable, measurable goals to focus in on and look at over the upcoming year or so that we staff can take that work on it and report back in about a year.

648
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:27,360
at mid-year, next year, February, March is what we tend to think, give staff some

649
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:35,940
time to focus in on it. And as discussed in the report and as we go through

650
01:02:35,940 --> 01:02:43,220
this presentation here, it is important to note that this is on top of, we just

651
01:02:43,220 --> 01:02:47,800
reviewed capital projects, right? So there's a lot going on. So it is important

652
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:55,300
to keep in mind, especially as we go through the budget, there may be a financial need for

653
01:02:55,980 --> 01:03:03,540
obtaining these goals or a staff need. So there's a resource need that may pull away from other

654
01:03:03,540 --> 01:03:09,360
goals that are being established during budget time. So just something to keep in mind as we go through

655
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:15,400
here. But here's the five goals that have been established, the quality of life, physical sustainability,

656
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:20,760
outreach, an open governance, customer service, and employer of choice.

657
01:03:21,540 --> 01:03:26,460
So I'll take the first half or so here, and then I'll turn it over to Jason.

658
01:03:31,460 --> 01:03:32,880
So the quality of life goal.

659
01:03:33,340 --> 01:03:38,860
So this is as written in the report, the City of Hanford will be a leader in the coordination

660
01:03:38,860 --> 01:03:43,720
of resources and pursuit of new opportunities to enhance health, safety, and infrastructure

661
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,560
of our community and individual rights of all.

662
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:54,960
So these bullet points, I won't read each one, are what was noted down during that discussion.

663
01:03:57,340 --> 01:04:02,320
At this point, as we go through here, as we get on these bullet points, staff will look

664
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:12,320
to Council to engage with staff on what are the recommended goals to focus in on and look

665
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:17,020
towards the future on obtaining measurable objectives there.

666
01:04:20,060 --> 01:04:23,520
Mr. Mayor, I'd like to put a question for Chris.

667
01:04:24,060 --> 01:04:31,320
We're talking measurable goals and I see some items up there that are kind of hard to have

668
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,800
the measure so we can come back and see our progress.

669
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:43,300
One is having the public feel safe in all spaces at all hours or invest in more recreation

670
01:04:43,300 --> 01:04:51,080
programs you know we could create more youth activities in a sense of like we

671
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:55,620
can create a bunch of youth activities but you know we're we're talking about

672
01:04:55,620 --> 01:05:01,060
funds you pay for staffing we're talking about you know what does it take for

673
01:05:01,060 --> 01:05:07,800
the equipment the advertising and all of those things but to make somebody feel

674
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:15,800
safe in all spaces, feelings, how do you measure someone's feelings if with somebody maybe

675
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:23,520
feels safe just if they see you know a teenage kid riding a skateboard and they're like oh

676
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:27,720
what's going to happen you know or somebody may not feel you know so how do we measure

677
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:33,720
those and so I'm just thinking like how do we be a little bit more specific on that and I'm looking

678
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:48,680
Maybe just probably producing like maybe statistics, you know, response times, you know, the crime rates or something to the community on a regular basis and, you know, just throwing that out there.

679
01:05:48,820 --> 01:05:50,400
We need to have those three right there.

680
01:05:50,820 --> 01:05:55,780
It's going to be very hard to have a measurable goal and we just need to redefine that.

681
01:05:55,780 --> 01:06:00,780
But Mr. Vice Mayor, if I can jump in here, I don't disagree with you.

682
01:06:00,900 --> 01:06:09,380
I think one of the things I liked about the final worry on the quality of life goals,

683
01:06:09,580 --> 01:06:10,660
we added the infrastructure.

684
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:16,700
We talked about the needs and the community and things, so that was added into this from

685
01:06:16,700 --> 01:06:18,280
our previous goals that we had.

686
01:06:18,820 --> 01:06:23,600
But going back to what you were talking about, I think when we discussed this, we all know,

687
01:06:23,780 --> 01:06:24,460
we all hear it.

688
01:06:24,460 --> 01:06:26,940
and it's easy to go through the community.

689
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:28,220
The community doesn't feel safe.

690
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:33,100
I mean, that's just the sentiment out there.

691
01:06:33,940 --> 01:06:35,960
We have a police department does a wonderful job

692
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:37,740
but they have limited resources

693
01:06:37,740 --> 01:06:40,980
and they have limited number of officers and they have a,

694
01:06:41,260 --> 01:06:43,060
so measure each is gonna help with that, right?

695
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,180
So we're gonna be able to add some additional personnel,

696
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:49,320
be able to be less reactive and be proactive.

697
01:06:50,380 --> 01:06:52,100
Same thing when it comes to fire safety

698
01:06:52,100 --> 01:06:53,900
as we build these fire stations, all those things.

699
01:06:53,900 --> 01:07:01,020
So yeah, there is a hard one to quantify, you know, on what a measurable is, but I think

700
01:07:01,020 --> 01:07:06,800
when you start looking at what we've tried to put in place and address the concerns

701
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:11,800
of the community and with the support of the community and getting these additional funds

702
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,100
available to us, we're going to be able to address those.

703
01:07:14,580 --> 01:07:19,820
And it may take some time to quantify what that benefit is.

704
01:07:19,820 --> 01:07:28,680
But it would just say with staff you want us to provide direction on like what do we want to want to fire?

705
01:07:30,340 --> 01:07:33,360
Some direction in that regard would be helpful

706
01:07:34,140 --> 01:07:41,540
especially as you as you touched on feeling safe in all spaces could we quantify by adding more?

707
01:07:42,620 --> 01:07:49,460
Officer, you know because of measure age we could say that we have increased you know the number of officers the number of heart

708
01:07:49,460 --> 01:07:54,160
team the number of Blue Resource Officers in the classroom because that could be a measurable

709
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:59,700
goal because we have you know X amount and it increases so that we could use that as a measurable

710
01:07:59,700 --> 01:08:03,960
goal. Well yeah and I think one of the concerns right is the funds haven't come in yet.

711
01:08:05,460 --> 01:08:10,780
We're kind of getting a little bit of carton from the board but yeah so whatever those numbers

712
01:08:10,780 --> 01:08:17,880
be and the funding how the funding allows that I would see that more so putting that as some sort

713
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:23,080
the measurable goal. I like that. Yeah. And I think and I think our chief does a wonderful job of

714
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:28,460
you know of coming back and giving us updates on you know things that during our annual report

715
01:08:28,460 --> 01:08:32,360
as well as the fire chief when they give us our annual report of what's you know what has been done

716
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:38,360
through the year. I think that that will start to show that trend change and I think it's critical

717
01:08:39,500 --> 01:08:43,460
and it'll be able to you know like we just were able to add for you know four additional

718
01:08:43,460 --> 01:08:44,900
police officers and things like that.

719
01:08:44,980 --> 01:08:51,420
Those things start to happen and it comes to fruition and I think that's the best way

720
01:08:51,420 --> 01:08:52,040
to address it.

721
01:08:52,180 --> 01:08:54,100
So if you look, do you want like a sub bullet point?

722
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:54,920
Is that kind of which?

723
01:08:54,940 --> 01:08:59,160
No, I'm just going to staff is wanting like what type of guiding us on.

724
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,840
What do we deem as a measurable goal?

725
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:07,900
As I'm thinking like the next one down encouraged and implement fun things for residents.

726
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,520
What's fun for some may not be fun for others.

727
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,080
and so how do we measure that?

728
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,640
So, you know, what are we looking at as a measurable?

729
01:09:18,620 --> 01:09:21,380
And if council deems, you know, it's not measurable,

730
01:09:21,380 --> 01:09:24,820
then we wouldn't pursue that one.

731
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:26,760
Well, I think it's important that they're there

732
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:30,780
because it reminds us of what it is we're trying to achieve.

733
01:09:31,420 --> 01:09:31,520
Right?

734
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,220
I think I'm confused maybe because I'm new,

735
01:09:34,540 --> 01:09:37,300
but I don't under, like we're just reviewing these, right?

736
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,120
Reviewing and providing direction to staff,

737
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:50,480
like after that retreat and establishing this goal what objectives does council want

738
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:57,200
on us to try to reach what is what is what is staff to pursue in light of council's goals.

739
01:09:57,480 --> 01:10:03,120
We will report back in about a year and say hey you guys tasked us with looking at these things

740
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:04,680
this is how we accomplished them.

741
01:10:12,500 --> 01:10:14,420
You could. I mean on the vague ones we might just

742
01:10:15,660 --> 01:10:22,480
generally about programs, but it wouldn't necessarily be measurable from one date to the next.

743
01:10:22,780 --> 01:10:26,960
I'm not trying to change anything, right? We're just reviewing?

744
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,240
Yes, just how do we measure it?

745
01:10:29,380 --> 01:10:35,300
You have the opportunity to change, so staff is looking if you decide, hey, this one maybe isn't as big of a priority, let's remove it,

746
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:39,800
or hey, we should shift it slightly. I think we're open to anything at that point.

747
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:47,460
I think it would be, I printed out the thing that was online and I don't see that specifically

748
01:10:47,460 --> 01:10:48,320
slide in here.

749
01:10:48,580 --> 01:10:52,820
To me and everything, I would love it if we had that, if we had a space to go through

750
01:10:53,460 --> 01:10:59,160
and if each of us had a space to take and get back with you, we create more youth activities

751
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:03,620
and we could take and write down things that we think would be good for us to try to accomplish.

752
01:11:09,390 --> 01:11:14,890
And then, because for us, that's very, very, very vague to me.

753
01:11:15,810 --> 01:11:20,250
It looks like pie in the sky, everything smiley, and everything is roses, and everything.

754
01:11:20,290 --> 01:11:25,950
I think, I mean, in regards to making the public feel safe all the time, they're never going

755
01:11:25,950 --> 01:11:26,290
to happen.

756
01:11:27,010 --> 01:11:28,090
That's like impossible.

757
01:11:28,650 --> 01:11:31,270
We want to take and encourage the public to feel more safe.

758
01:11:31,470 --> 01:11:37,350
But I feel like, if people call the police department and a police officer shows up, or they

759
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:40,110
They stay on the line with them while they get help or whatever.

760
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:43,670
Same thing with fire department and everything, people feel safer.

761
01:11:44,090 --> 01:11:46,930
Okay, but you're not going to make everybody feel safe all the time.

762
01:11:47,570 --> 01:11:48,590
It just can't happen.

763
01:11:48,850 --> 01:11:55,670
I think in general, staff wouldn't be looking for specific notations on what to do.

764
01:11:56,010 --> 01:12:03,290
But just more general guidelines direction on what council would be looking for.

765
01:12:03,710 --> 01:12:05,790
And staff could go back to the drawing board.

766
01:12:05,790 --> 01:12:07,550
and look, okay, how can we do it?

767
01:12:07,650 --> 01:12:08,210
What can we do?

768
01:12:08,230 --> 01:12:10,470
And fit it in the budget that you have to work with.

769
01:12:10,610 --> 01:12:11,490
Correct, correct.

770
01:12:11,690 --> 01:12:12,590
That would be the primer.

771
01:12:12,650 --> 01:12:14,190
We don't want to take and make you guys

772
01:12:14,190 --> 01:12:15,590
take and try to accomplish something

773
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:17,190
that's impossible for you to accomplish.

774
01:12:17,390 --> 01:12:19,470
We want you to succeed as we succeed.

775
01:12:20,250 --> 01:12:23,230
You know, but I mean, if I had that form

776
01:12:24,050 --> 01:12:25,930
with space that we could take in right underneath,

777
01:12:26,170 --> 01:12:28,810
I could take and come up with some possible things

778
01:12:28,810 --> 01:12:30,090
on several of them.

779
01:12:30,410 --> 01:12:31,550
And then you guys can take and look

780
01:12:31,550 --> 01:12:33,830
and tell us whether they're doable or not.

781
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:42,930
Well, I think what staff would look for currently is based off this or ads or deletions, provide

782
01:12:42,930 --> 01:12:48,230
staff us that direction, that framework to go forward with.

783
01:12:48,750 --> 01:12:53,410
And then in a year or so, we'll report back on what we were able to achieve.

784
01:12:54,320 --> 01:13:02,230
If there's specific ideas during that time, Council is more than welcome to funnel that,

785
01:13:02,230 --> 01:13:19,230
that so to speak to staff during this next year and that we can integrate that into our inner workings, I wouldn't see this meeting as necessarily that to accumulate all of that right now, because it will take time, right?

786
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:23,030
But we are more than receptive to those ideas.

787
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:42,090
I like the goal, like access to all parks safely, I like the lighting, I think, you know, as a goal, we should all of our parks should have, you know, ample amount of lights that, you know, if you're there in the evening, you feel safe, if you're walking around, you know, the park or playing in the park.

788
01:13:42,090 --> 01:14:03,530
I think that would be something that whether it is in neighborhood parks or in our city, you know, city parks, ball parks, you know, that they're all working, they're all, you know, every park has, you know, so like standard across the board, all our parks are in, you know, our well lit.

789
01:14:04,490 --> 01:14:21,670
I think we also need to take where it mentions junior explorers for fire and police departments, I feel like any of those kids that get involved in that and everything we need to take and have recognition for them because if we can take and grow our kids into doing public service and everything for the safety and everything I think would be awesome.

790
01:14:23,670 --> 01:14:39,210
something to go in off of that with junior explorers and fire and police departments career days I think there is a lot of the junior high and high schools are having career days that you know just making sure that maybe our departments have some representation

791
01:14:39,770 --> 01:14:45,470
you promote the junior explorer programs on during those career days as well.

792
01:14:45,470 --> 01:14:47,250
That could be something that can happen as well.

793
01:14:53,550 --> 01:14:58,210
You guys are working on the lights for over at the sports complex correct? That's in the works

794
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:18,340
So in general here, just making sure I kind of have it in my mind, okay, everything listed here. I think there's some that could be maybe consolidated a little bit, but council appears in agreement that these are, these are good to look towards.

795
01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:37,520
community needs.

796
01:15:40,260 --> 01:15:47,460
So listed from that meeting, several bullet points here, and again, I won't read all of these.

797
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:58,360
There is one new that was not mentioned at that meeting, but has been mentioned in past discussion, especially during the revenue measure, pre-measure,

798
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:07,520
or H discussion, staff thought to add in the transient occupancy tax, the TOT, which is

799
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:15,080
a tax on hotels, so as visitors come in, they pay an 8% tax.

800
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:22,980
That is something that could be presented to the voters potentially as early as this

801
01:16:22,980 --> 01:16:26,480
November, so that's why we bring it up now.

802
01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:34,760
So if council had any interest in that kind of now is the time to start doing that because we would need to get everything in place by July.

803
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,380
Which are currently at eight.

804
01:16:38,540 --> 01:16:47,640
Taking a look at surrounding communities maybe made me many are higher as high as 12% in this area.

805
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:56,680
It would lead to several hundred thousand more in revenue for the general fund, but should

806
01:16:56,680 --> 01:17:00,540
council have any interest that's something that we could come back at a future time.

807
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:05,120
This is only for people who rent the hotels.

808
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:13,180
It's not like our revenue measure that everybody who's, you know, whoever doesn't apply to anybody

809
01:17:13,180 --> 01:17:21,960
that's not purchasing taxable goods of some sort in the community. I'd be in favor of looking

810
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:29,140
at it and moving forward and seeing what is that number. I mean 8% if I remember from previous

811
01:17:29,140 --> 01:17:39,340
council meetings we're on the very low end and everybody else's at that 12, 11, 12% rate. I don't

812
01:17:39,340 --> 01:17:44,740
necessarily when I have to, you know, travel, look at the hotel and say,

813
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:50,040
they're hotel, they're TOT taxes way too high. I'm going somewhere else, you know,

814
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:55,640
but I think it's something that we definitely as a council would like to, I would

815
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:59,820
personally would like to look in. Didn't those funds used to go to the Chamber of

816
01:17:59,820 --> 01:18:02,680
Commerce or visitors agency or something along the line of that?

817
01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:05,780
Talking many

818
01:18:05,780 --> 01:18:10,980
years ago. I'm not aware of that. I looked over at my finance manager

819
01:18:10,980 --> 01:18:13,960
We haven't seen any records showing that.

820
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,200
I'm talking many, many years ago.

821
01:18:17,500 --> 01:18:18,340
Before their time.

822
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:24,280
Typically, I can speak just typically for cities.

823
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:28,060
That money does go into the general fund and is used

824
01:18:28,060 --> 01:18:31,380
for all general fund purposes, typically.

825
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,100
And Chris, for us to grow the ASCO,

826
01:18:36,860 --> 01:18:40,040
we have to achieve the 35% first

827
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:54,040
And then everything else correct is over into the ACO right and what can we use the ACO on it's it's at Council's discretion. So the easiest way to

828
01:18:55,760 --> 01:19:03,720
Related over would be any of those general fund projects that we discussed earlier at budget and of course the IP review those BACO.

829
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:07,280
And so instead of pulling from reserve we be pulling from

830
01:19:08,260 --> 01:19:13,900
virtually are savings ACO and just to give you a shout out as well the CA

831
01:19:13,900 --> 01:19:20,160
policy our goal is a grade A it used to be a grade B and now you've worked

832
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:25,180
really hard with you and your staff we have worked really yes you to it's

833
01:19:25,180 --> 01:19:30,920
currently at a grade B correct correct so we're just going for that that top

834
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:35,260
great. The A means what? Oh shoot.

835
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:41,200
I think I thought I

836
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,460
first was California policy and I was like no, it's not a

837
01:19:43,460 --> 01:19:47,340
California policy. Not remembering. It's.

838
01:19:54,420 --> 01:19:55,260
Mr. Price, my

839
01:19:55,260 --> 01:19:59,020
right. I agree. I think I think that and I'll agree with Mr.

840
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:01,400
Tavariser. I think we definitely need to look at having the

841
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:06,480
discussion regarding the TOT tax. I think it's it's well overdue,

842
01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:13,380
it's time. And again, I'm just going to speak for me, but I think you kind of said it yourself,

843
01:20:13,620 --> 01:20:17,460
you know, and I go to book hotel room out of town. I don't look at, you know, what that local

844
01:20:17,460 --> 01:20:24,520
TOT tax rate is. I'm looking at a particular hotel that I want to stay at whether it's, you know,

845
01:20:24,860 --> 01:20:31,700
a comfort in or, you know, the Marriott, it doesn't matter. You know, so yeah, I think I would like to see

846
01:20:31,700 --> 01:20:37,500
That discussion here in the future, if November is the deadline for that, I'd like Council

847
01:20:37,500 --> 01:20:38,620
Babel have that discussion.

848
01:20:39,260 --> 01:20:40,520
I'd also like to see that.

849
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:41,880
I would too.

850
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:43,060
I also have another question.

851
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:53,560
Like, a lot of the people that are unhoused, sometimes they are housed in some of the hotels.

852
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:55,340
Okay.

853
01:20:55,860 --> 01:20:59,960
We would still be charging that 10, 12% to those also.

854
01:20:59,960 --> 01:21:01,380
So, correct, it would be across the board.

855
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,700
I'm not aware of what it is.

856
01:21:05,700 --> 01:21:09,000
I know that it's being a funded if it's those are, yeah,

857
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:09,580
we don't, we don't know.

858
01:21:09,580 --> 01:21:11,460
Because saying it would be, it would be across the board though.

859
01:21:11,860 --> 01:21:12,660
I might depend.

860
01:21:12,820 --> 01:21:15,340
I know that some of those are conversions from hotels.

861
01:21:15,900 --> 01:21:18,140
We don't house, as a city, we don't house almost.

862
01:21:18,620 --> 01:21:19,360
We don't have a voucher.

863
01:21:19,700 --> 01:21:22,980
I know that, I know that like Salvation Army pays sometimes for people

864
01:21:22,980 --> 01:21:26,680
to have a place to stay or a community at KCAO does also.

865
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:28,340
It would be no matter what.

866
01:21:28,340 --> 01:21:30,360
but it would just basically be for that room,

867
01:21:30,620 --> 01:21:31,680
for that night, correct?

868
01:21:31,980 --> 01:21:32,920
I would assume that'd be the case.

869
01:21:33,020 --> 01:21:33,820
I would tell her it's room,

870
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:34,800
or I'd use to this.

871
01:21:36,820 --> 01:21:37,740
Okay, with that, you know, we,

872
01:21:37,900 --> 01:21:38,860
this might be one of our,

873
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,640
our earlier objectives that we want to meet

874
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:42,360
since it sounds like we're on a closer,

875
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:43,780
a tight deadline here,

876
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:45,040
so maybe we come back in the future

877
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:46,500
with a study session item or something

878
01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:48,240
to talk about it further.

879
01:21:49,980 --> 01:21:51,200
I hope the TOT, correct.

880
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:52,180
Also, yeah.

881
01:21:52,340 --> 01:21:53,220
It's a great suggestion.

882
01:21:55,660 --> 01:21:57,280
Outreach in open governance goal,

883
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:07,000
So the community will be kept informed the current future and emerging city matters through a well-aligned and multifaceted system of public communication this first our outreach.

884
01:22:07,700 --> 01:22:17,580
So a lot of a lot of information regarding the use of social media, highlighting city council, highlighting businesses, informational videos.

885
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:24,520
So we did receive some requests that maybe we could use videos to inform the public about what we're doing, how the city operates.

886
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:35,740
So all things that would be signed to Brian Johnson, though, who's not here today.

887
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:46,880
So yeah, it's our outreach so we want to make sure how council feels about these.

888
01:22:47,460 --> 01:22:52,780
My concern is over extending our communications department and I think

889
01:22:52,780 --> 01:23:03,300
I think the responsible thing to do is maybe possibly look on I believe it's like item number seven or bullet point number seven expanding the communications department with possible interns.

890
01:23:04,380 --> 01:23:15,120
I think there's a lot of things that can be done on social media and I know we talked about as a council in the past that we'd like there's certain needs that we need into.

891
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:21,720
that, you know, I was, would like to consolidate the social media, but, and I probably that

892
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:26,440
was the comment that I made at this meeting, but what do we want to do? If we're having

893
01:23:26,440 --> 01:23:33,620
all of these social media platforms, I think more assistance in that department would be

894
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:35,780
something to look into.

895
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:44,500
I agree with the vice mayor and I know we had the discussion about you know I'm getting

896
01:23:44,500 --> 01:23:49,240
some help in that department you know it's such a heavy workload there for one individual.

897
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:57,040
If you're looking at social media video editing you know it releases that's releases everything

898
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:58,760
done. Yeah I agree.

899
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:07,020
You say else council? We'll make make note of that one. So we only have two people

900
01:24:07,020 --> 01:24:08,880
do we need a consensus to move forward?

901
01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:13,110
The staff would look for consensus.

902
01:24:13,390 --> 01:24:13,690
That would be

903
01:24:16,190 --> 01:24:17,370
okay.

904
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:18,470
That.

905
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:20,800
Great.

906
01:24:22,220 --> 01:24:23,220
Customer service goal.

907
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,560
All parties interacting with the city of Hamford

908
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,160
at all levels shall experience professional,

909
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,540
efficient, and effective customer service.

910
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:33,660
They're the potential objectives that we receive from council.

911
01:24:43,690 --> 01:24:46,250
You know, I think some of these are also closely tied

912
01:24:46,250 --> 01:24:47,990
to the outreach.

913
01:24:48,370 --> 01:24:50,810
There's discussions about putting things on the website,

914
01:24:50,810 --> 01:24:56,870
highlighting what we do. I think a lot of ways those are going to be merged probably if council to just to keep with these.

915
01:24:57,270 --> 01:25:03,050
If I remember when I was speaking to a couple directors when we were talking about the customer service schools.

916
01:25:03,570 --> 01:25:13,910
They mentioned they don't even remember like staff training and I think that is that could be very beneficial, you know, in being, you know,

917
01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:27,620
So providing that customer service training that hasn't been provided to our staff, and if that's one way that we can improve, I think that would be something would be important.

918
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:49,860
Also our website, you know, just being as that you, we've mentioned in the past councils being that trusted source, not giving out misinformation and, you know, updating our web page to make it user friendly, because I've heard sometimes that

919
01:25:49,860 --> 01:25:55,260
people said you know that it's hard for them to navigate around but I don't know but that's

920
01:25:55,260 --> 01:26:01,460
expanding the communications department as well you know maybe getting a web person intern just

921
01:26:01,460 --> 01:26:04,040
to do the website and the other person desperate.

922
01:26:06,180 --> 01:26:11,120
One thing I think off the top I thought to interject

923
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:17,780
is where do we house all these people um adding staff we may have some facility issues so just

924
01:26:17,780 --> 01:26:20,640
something to consider to you. That is true. That is true.

925
01:26:27,740 --> 01:26:29,600
Any comments or additions

926
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:30,240
to this?

927
01:26:35,480 --> 01:26:40,320
On public education. We're not talking schools. We're just talking about

928
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:48,560
educating the public, not public education. Correct. There's one thing that kind of, you

929
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:53,900
know, those QR codes, you could have, you know, we've talked about getting out documents

930
01:26:53,900 --> 01:26:59,640
that outline who to call all that stuff. There is a magnet QR code that a person could put

931
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:06,980
on the refrigerator any time they could and their camera there in our city is updating things that

932
01:27:06,980 --> 01:27:13,760
are going on due to contact that could be something that could go out in utility bills that is

933
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:21,200
something that could go out and at Thursday night markets to families for people to be in constant

934
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:29,040
communication and our communication department could easily update that on a weekly basis on a you

935
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:36,540
know, where it either takes them to a link on the website or it takes them where those

936
01:27:36,540 --> 01:27:43,780
can be archived or events, safety, who to contact, public, something of that nature that

937
01:27:43,780 --> 01:27:59,900
could be like our little city of Hanford QR code that, you know, the first

938
01:28:04,990 --> 01:28:05,350
thing that

939
01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:07,970
I don't have a problem with the QR code.

940
01:28:08,170 --> 01:28:09,130
I'm begging it.

941
01:28:09,470 --> 01:28:11,270
Maybe not be all that necessary to put it

942
01:28:11,270 --> 01:28:12,210
with a utility bill.

943
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:14,810
It could go on the corner of the utility bill or something.

944
01:28:15,050 --> 01:28:20,210
It's the thought process behind that is just that it's

945
01:28:20,210 --> 01:28:22,810
constantly something that could be constantly updated.

946
01:28:23,710 --> 01:28:26,010
So could they could they do that on my hand for that?

947
01:28:28,210 --> 01:28:31,810
If it whatever your access needs to be updated,

948
01:28:31,850 --> 01:28:33,290
it doesn't matter how you get there.

949
01:28:33,290 --> 01:28:35,630
where all the QR code is is a different way to get there.

950
01:28:35,770 --> 01:28:36,350
Thanks to the website.

951
01:28:36,670 --> 01:28:41,290
So we are using it, we're utilizing that right now

952
01:28:41,290 --> 01:28:42,650
for project specific things.

953
01:28:42,850 --> 01:28:45,110
So if we have a project that we want to do outreach

954
01:28:45,110 --> 01:28:46,790
and there's a specific page for it

955
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:47,730
and we want public input,

956
01:28:48,230 --> 01:28:50,570
we've sort of asked our consultants for their documents

957
01:28:50,570 --> 01:28:51,410
that provide those things.

958
01:28:51,630 --> 01:28:53,990
So this summer you'll see a lot of outreach

959
01:28:53,990 --> 01:28:56,290
that we're doing at Thursday night market

960
01:28:56,290 --> 01:28:57,670
and you'll see our consultants that will have

961
01:28:57,670 --> 01:28:59,910
to our code things that they will point specifically

962
01:28:59,910 --> 01:29:03,170
to like that specific project's website.

963
01:29:03,510 --> 01:29:05,750
So I think, you know, if we can find additional ways

964
01:29:05,750 --> 01:29:07,890
to sort of incorporate that, I mean, we can certainly.

965
01:29:08,270 --> 01:29:10,550
The weekly news of the city, you know,

966
01:29:10,810 --> 01:29:12,250
and that that's always something

967
01:29:12,250 --> 01:29:13,270
that is being updated.

968
01:29:13,330 --> 01:29:15,590
It's something that they can always go to.

969
01:29:16,890 --> 01:29:18,410
You see what's going on.

970
01:29:19,050 --> 01:29:21,870
That was a thought that was given to me by a, you know,

971
01:29:21,990 --> 01:29:23,870
a techie engineer idea.

972
01:29:24,090 --> 01:29:25,070
It's not my idea.

973
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:25,430
Yeah.

974
01:29:26,330 --> 01:29:26,970
What's the thought?

975
01:29:26,970 --> 01:29:30,030
I have a nuts and bolts question. Who maintains our website?

976
01:29:30,990 --> 01:29:35,750
The combination. So there's some individuals within departments that maintain their own

977
01:29:35,750 --> 01:29:40,870
things or have the ability to do it. Brian does it. There's several people have access.

978
01:29:41,770 --> 01:29:47,350
Okay. Well, for instance, like let's say you want to know your holiday schedule for the garbage.

979
01:29:47,610 --> 01:29:51,770
Who is the person who actually updates that information on the website?

980
01:29:52,190 --> 01:29:52,970
I don't know who does.

981
01:29:52,970 --> 01:29:56,010
They live in Hanford, do we have a web company that we use?

982
01:30:03,740 --> 01:30:15,520
We have a dedicated employee who does that? We have IT that provides assistance, but as far as I know, there's not a dedicated web service person consultant or otherwise. Ryan.

983
01:30:16,300 --> 01:30:24,720
Say that we did do something like this. Who is the person responsible for updating the pages? It sounds like it's department.

984
01:30:25,300 --> 01:30:33,260
If it's department specific, oftentimes it is someone, a single person in the department that has access or Brian at times.

985
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:40,260
And that was when we brought to communications director Ron, that was part of the thing where the other directors could funnel their information to Brian.

986
01:30:40,620 --> 01:30:44,160
Brian would handle, you know, dispersal of that information.

987
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:49,860
I'm just, this is a lot of like if you really think about maintaining a site and having

988
01:30:49,860 --> 01:30:54,020
a website, it's your, this is a lot more than just, oh, let's simply add something.

989
01:30:54,220 --> 01:30:58,560
This is like, this could be somebody's full time job maintaining this.

990
01:30:58,700 --> 01:31:03,700
It doesn't sound like we have this person and currently our trash schedule is not updated

991
01:31:03,700 --> 01:31:04,700
for the current year.

992
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:06,020
It never is.

993
01:31:06,900 --> 01:31:09,840
So obviously we have a deficiency there.

994
01:31:09,860 --> 01:31:13,360
So I don't think we need to address on adding anything new.

995
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:19,400
I think we need to maintain the website we have in a QR code, you and I can make a QR

996
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:20,720
code right now, it's very simple.

997
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:26,620
That's just a fancy way that a lot of people, that's not in their generational time frame.

998
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:28,520
They don't know what to do with a QR code.

999
01:31:28,620 --> 01:31:29,380
I think it's great.

1000
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:34,440
I think it's great of information out there, but I would actually like to focus on improving

1001
01:31:34,440 --> 01:31:39,940
our quality of what we have out there before we're trying to advance ways to get it out there,

1002
01:31:39,940 --> 01:31:47,480
Because I don't know anybody, Travis, who's going to any government website thinking that they've got their finger on the pulse of a city.

1003
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:49,060
That's not how it is.

1004
01:31:49,060 --> 01:31:55,240
If you live in New York, you're not going to go to New York's website to see, you're going to be on Instagram and other things.

1005
01:31:55,460 --> 01:32:04,420
So I don't know, I just think that might not be a goal that is a realistic goal, that a city not only do we provide all of the public services, but

1006
01:32:04,420 --> 01:32:08,180
but then we are supposed to inform the public on top of that.

1007
01:32:10,220 --> 01:32:17,180
We are and I see your point and I see just more I want to advocate for expanding our

1008
01:32:17,180 --> 01:32:22,760
communications because we do have a website and we as a council what we want to be more

1009
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:30,080
transparent we want to be the information out to the community and so you know through people

1010
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:36,040
People are, unfortunately, they're not the reading type as much anymore.

1011
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:40,940
They're very visual, and so that's where I'm looking at, you know, we need to put out

1012
01:32:40,940 --> 01:32:46,460
more videos, more social media content, more website content to be that trusted source

1013
01:32:46,860 --> 01:32:49,280
that everybody goes to and get information.

1014
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:54,960
How we do that, I think first of all, we need to, you know, as you said, one person could

1015
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,500
be just solely doing the website themselves.

1016
01:32:57,500 --> 01:33:01,300
one person could be just solely doing all the social media platforms.

1017
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:11,240
This is where I have a hard time with this position sometimes because we've just talked this whole, we've been here since four.

1018
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:14,500
We've been here two hours and we've talked about how we don't have money.

1019
01:33:14,940 --> 01:33:18,060
But then we're talking about adding on more things that cost money.

1020
01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:21,700
So I just like sometimes we ourselves, myself included.

1021
01:33:22,140 --> 01:33:24,700
Everybody in this room, we have a disconnect about reality.

1022
01:33:24,700 --> 01:33:29,160
It's like we, I feel like, so that's where sometimes I don't know where to go with this.

1023
01:33:29,260 --> 01:33:31,300
I'm just throwing it out there to the simple people.

1024
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:36,560
I don't know if you guys feel this way, but sometimes I just feel like we don't have a deady.

1025
01:33:36,700 --> 01:33:41,960
It doesn't sound like that's a realistic goal to have a dedicated person who works on our website.

1026
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,340
So I think because the budget's not there.

1027
01:33:45,380 --> 01:33:51,640
I'm just saying just overall, I understand the budget and the deficiencies that we have and what we need to do.

1028
01:33:51,640 --> 01:34:08,960
So, you know, the interns have been, I know we did a couple, we did a financial intern, we did a couple interns a couple of years ago, in planning, and they were, like, we're looking at, I think for the summer, and it was like 10,000 per, 11,000 per intern or something.

1029
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:14,980
I mean, so I would more steer to the intern side of it where we won't have to do health benefits.

1030
01:34:15,140 --> 01:34:26,360
We don't have to do retirement plans, et cetera, that it might be an alternative in a less expensive way to help out our communications.

1031
01:34:26,740 --> 01:34:32,720
Can we make policy and decisions based on interns and the labor of somebody?

1032
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:37,120
I don't know, it just seems like a weird, not a solid.

1033
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:42,840
I'm just throwing ideas out there that we can, because our, or what our goals are to

1034
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:46,440
be more transparent to get communication out there and how do we do that.

1035
01:34:52,470 --> 01:34:56,390
We can look at the internship option.

1036
01:34:57,150 --> 01:35:00,310
Sometimes with internships and this will be something we can discuss with Brian because

1037
01:35:00,310 --> 01:35:05,410
Brian would probably be working with this individual is, although they're great, oftentimes, sometimes

1038
01:35:05,410 --> 01:35:06,310
they take more time.

1039
01:35:09,510 --> 01:35:16,430
So I think we can look at some options there to see if there might be a way to fit in.

1040
01:35:16,590 --> 01:35:19,350
It's a conversation we can have and see if that might work.

1041
01:35:21,230 --> 01:35:26,930
Enduring budget review that could be a time if we're not able to squeeze it in now.

1042
01:35:27,630 --> 01:35:31,950
It's open discussion for council to add in some funding.

1043
01:35:31,950 --> 01:35:41,470
I mean, and Chris, I don't mean to interrupt, but I look back two years ago where we were versus where we are today now with the communications director and the things that we've done.

1044
01:35:41,650 --> 01:35:48,310
I mean, is it a perfect world? No, can it get better? Yes. You know, it's going to cost money. It's going to talk cost time.

1045
01:35:48,830 --> 01:35:56,870
And we talk about that 90, 10 rule a lot, you know, all those things. So, yeah, I mean, I agree with my colleague. It's a perfect world. It's great.

1046
01:35:56,870 --> 01:36:03,950
I think, you know, but the reality is I think we've made some strides. I think this shows just kind of uses as a reminder of us that we keep moving.

1047
01:36:05,150 --> 01:36:12,550
And again, something that we've done recently is whenever we have grant funding, we've always included a public information component now.

1048
01:36:12,850 --> 01:36:18,830
That's helped to leave it Brian because now they're providing information of Brian. Brian has to post it, but he doesn't have to put the things together.

1049
01:36:18,830 --> 01:36:25,590
And so I think certainly in the future whenever we have grants and funding that allow us to do that, I think that's going to be for top of mind for us as well.

1050
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:38,180
Employer choice goal. So the city of hamford will strive to focus on recruitment and retention of the best and the brightest.

1051
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:44,120
So these were there are several things brought up social media in terms on there as well.

1052
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:53,620
Some information about certain things that could be made available to employees to help retain them or attract them to the city.

1053
01:36:54,300 --> 01:36:56,420
Happy to receive any comments on this.

1054
01:36:59,140 --> 01:37:06,460
I like the idea of the hybrid model growing that out there where people could work from home.

1055
01:37:06,460 --> 01:37:11,980
It is the new generation that is coming up in the tech world.

1056
01:37:12,220 --> 01:37:18,800
That is something that is, I'd be interested in just looking at that a little bit more and

1057
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:25,920
seeing what that would look like, and you have differences between salary employees and

1058
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:31,240
hourly employees, and if there is a difference in there, there is also union contracts to have

1059
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:35,040
discussions with, and it's a big, huge thing.

1060
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:38,520
but I'd be interested in to see how that could help.

1061
01:37:39,500 --> 01:37:40,900
It's COVID when we went through COVID,

1062
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:43,960
that definitely opened a lot of people's eyes

1063
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:47,640
that a lot of productivity could happen outside of the office.

1064
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:49,920
Okay.

1065
01:37:57,200 --> 01:38:01,700
The other comments on this one are things that add or change.

1066
01:38:04,350 --> 01:38:07,590
I think, as Vice Mayor mentioned, some of these things are going

1067
01:38:07,590 --> 01:38:10,830
to be things, you know, there's contracting negotiations and things

1068
01:38:10,830 --> 01:38:13,270
like that that, you know, I'll play a role in this as well.

1069
01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:33,070
So the housing incentives for potential employees coming up with different kinds of funds or different kinds of grants that could be provided to employees to incentivize them to take and move to our area or to be willing to come to the city and work with hampered and everything I think would be good.

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01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:52,000
Can you explain the implementing the down payment assistance program or employees or just for members of the community?

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01:38:52,500 --> 01:39:03,280
I think the intent of this comment was for employees specifically so that similar if there's an employee here and needs down payment assistance, they could access some type of funding that would allow them to do that.

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We probably can merge with the affordable housing.

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I think we can certainly look at these things.

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I think this goes back to the cost issue at the beginning, so I think these are all very good things, but these are also very expensive, can be very expensive things as well.

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Andrew Lerma might be able to come up with some ideas of different kinds of grant funds that they could apply for, there might be some available for that.

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01:39:43,100 --> 01:39:56,600
A lot of times those are income-based and so it would have to be low income employees only in those instances, usually that she deals with.

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Anything else?

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01:40:06,780 --> 01:40:07,420
We

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have this council discussion style.

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I think we've done some of that.

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So I'm happy to receive any additional comments or things that you have your comments council.

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01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:19,930
You guys did a great job.

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I think we are all striving to, it's set in the report, you know, everything that we do, whether it's our police, our fire, our parks, our roads, is the billboard for the city.

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And I think we are, you know, with staff and council, we're all working together and I felt this goals and objective session was very productive.

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It was very informative and there was a lot of great ideas that were shared.

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01:40:44,970 --> 01:40:54,870
And we just continue to improve that billboard, you know, that people see on a daily basis as they drive through our town.

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And then we use that to strive and move forward. I think that's great thought.

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01:41:00,350 --> 01:41:00,950
Thank you.

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01:41:04,950 --> 01:41:05,770
Anything else?

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01:41:06,390 --> 01:41:08,150
I do have one other thing real fast.

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I knew you guys just in the spring, just within the last month, there was a luncheon for the city employees.

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01:41:16,030 --> 01:41:24,710
I would like if we could get it back to where in the fall, we have employee appreciation dinner that also includes their staff.

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I mean, their spouses are significant other where they can take and do it to where it gives them an opportunity for to be there with their families.

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01:41:35,830 --> 01:41:39,550
And anyway, I think that that would be good if we could take and do one in the fall too.

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01:41:40,390 --> 01:42:07,890
But have it to where we've also just instead of it just being a lunch and have it to where there's somebody on stage they're taking and telling things about different people from different departments and have different kinds of awards or different kinds of things I mean department managers can take and put in for different ones of their employees for different kinds of awards we just need to take and recognize our city employees more because there's so many people that basically just aren't seen aren't noticed and we're very very fortunate to have them.

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01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:20,160
Okay, at this time, anyone from public wishing to speak on this item,

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see you're done.

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01:42:24,980 --> 01:42:31,720
Okay, at this time, we'll adjourn and reconvene at 7 o'clock for the regular session of Council

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meeting.

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01:42:32,420 --> 01:42:32,780
Thank you all.

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01:42:39,550 --> 01:42:47,050
Welcome, everyone, to tonight's Amperity Council meeting, we'll begin our meeting with

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is a roll call, please?

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01:42:51,170 --> 01:42:52,350
Council Member Kyris.

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Here.

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01:42:53,130 --> 01:42:53,770
Council Member House.

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01:42:54,370 --> 01:42:55,190
Council Member Regan.

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01:42:55,610 --> 01:42:55,730
Here.

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Vice Mayor Payton.

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Here.

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And Mayor Martinez.

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Here.

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01:42:58,950 --> 01:42:59,330
Thank you.

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01:43:00,270 --> 01:43:05,030
We'll start with the invocation by Andrea Lott.

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01:43:10,100 --> 01:43:14,020
Stand and bow before our Lord God.

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It's a privilege to entreat our God to preside over this assembly and the business to be conducted.

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01:43:21,460 --> 01:43:27,440
it. Father thank you for each one here. Please guide the business that will be

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01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:32,560
conducted. We pray that all things done here today will be directed with your

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01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:38,460
wisdom and by your love. Help our community to be a community that stands out

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01:43:38,460 --> 01:43:43,980
and stands up for what is right and for the betterment of every citizen. Dear God

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01:43:43,980 --> 01:43:49,680
bless these officials and their families. Bless all the families here attending.

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01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:53,560
Father, even bless all those who are attending over the airways.

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01:43:54,240 --> 01:44:02,300
We humbly ask these things in the name of your Son whose sacrificial death we celebrate

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and we remember during this Resurrection and Holy Week, amen.

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01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:16,500
Would you please select someone for our flag salute?

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01:44:23,100 --> 01:44:24,360
Thank you.

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01:44:24,440 --> 01:44:25,760
Ready salute.

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01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:30,380
A pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

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And to the Republic for which it stands, a nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice overall.

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Thank you very much.

1130
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:42,600
Okay,

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01:44:47,250 --> 01:44:50,990
any close session report?

1132
01:44:52,190 --> 01:44:54,210
There are no actions taken.

1133
01:44:55,570 --> 01:44:57,670
Okay, we'll move on to our recommendation.

1134
01:44:58,430 --> 01:44:59,930
And at this time...

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01:45:00,530 --> 01:45:29,290
I risk to go ahead and take the lead on it. Mr. Mayor, thank you. Welcome, everyone. It's a special night for our city. So I've got a little slideshow that's going to be playing in the background as we go through. But it's, it's a long journey for these ladies. And I just I just want to first say and I will say it again at the end. Congratulations on a wonderful season. I mean, it's great to have you all here tonight. So we'll kick things off.

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01:45:29,290 --> 01:45:33,850
So whenever you're ready, Mr. Mayor, members of the Council and honored guests.

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01:45:34,390 --> 01:45:42,610
It's a great honor tonight we recognize the 2024-2025 Sierra Pacific High School Lady Golden Bear's basketball program.

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01:45:43,150 --> 01:45:55,290
The 2025 California Inesco Elastic Federation or CIF Central Section Division 2 champions with an overall record of 25 and 9 on the season.

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01:45:56,430 --> 01:46:03,970
I, along with thousands in attendance at Selon Arena on February 28th, 2025, watched the

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01:46:03,970 --> 01:46:06,810
Lady Golden Bears compete for the Valley Championship.

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01:46:08,010 --> 01:46:14,830
At the end of the game, with the final score of 50-43, the Lady Golden Bears were victorious,

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01:46:15,530 --> 01:46:19,390
claiming their second central section CIF Championship.

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01:46:19,390 --> 01:46:19,450
it.

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01:46:22,020 --> 01:46:26,760
After their victory, I was honored to meet with the team in their locker room and

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01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:32,860
offer my congratulations as a Hanford City Council member. I share with the ladies how proud

1146
01:46:32,860 --> 01:46:39,280
the Hanford community was of their success and how they represented our entire community

1147
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:46,140
with honor and grace. The dedication and commitment of the coaching staff and players to accomplish

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01:46:46,140 --> 01:46:48,740
this achievement cannot be underscored.

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01:46:51,100 --> 01:46:53,420
Due to their exemplary season, the

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01:46:53,420 --> 01:46:57,600
Lady Golden Bears have previously been honored by the Hamper Joint Union High

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01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:03,460
School District, the Fresno Grizzlies Baseball Organization, King's County

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01:47:03,460 --> 01:47:10,940
Board Supervisors, and Congressman David Valladale in Washington DC. So,

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01:47:10,980 --> 01:47:15,400
tonight, we the Hamper City Council would like to recognize the coaches and

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01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:20,180
players of this year Pacific High School Lady Golden Bear is basketball program for their

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01:47:20,180 --> 01:47:21,160
exemplary season.

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01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:22,560
Congratulations.

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01:47:31,310 --> 01:47:34,310
Of Coach Victor, come up forward if you'd like to make a few comments.

1158
01:47:39,170 --> 01:47:41,170
Hello, Mr. Mayor, Vice Mayor, members of the City Council.

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01:47:41,910 --> 01:47:46,630
It's a pleasure being in front of you as often as I am, but it's an extreme pleasure to be

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01:47:46,630 --> 01:47:52,790
here today in this moment, recognizing these amazing girls that I get to coach almost every

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01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:53,090
day.

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01:47:53,090 --> 01:47:59,770
They say basketball season is in November through March, but if you really want to win a section championship,

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01:47:59,970 --> 01:48:04,870
you're basically starting in April and running through hopefully fighting for a state championship in March.

1164
01:48:05,610 --> 01:48:14,950
And so that's what we just did this past year where we worked from April, making it to the state semi-regional finals this season in Division 2 competing.

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01:48:15,370 --> 01:48:17,210
And we take everything for granted.

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01:48:17,210 --> 01:48:26,790
We want to express our extreme appreciation to our administration team led by Miss Jamie Rogers and our athletic director Patrick Snyder at Sierra Pacific High School.

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01:48:27,330 --> 01:48:38,530
There are tremendous supporters in everything that we do constantly there and constantly not telling us to know what the ideas that we may have, except for the girls when they ask to leave school.

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So, to our district office and to our school board for constantly approving us, and making sure that we have the resources available as well, we want to say thank you and to our amazing supporters, the students at Sierra Pacific High School, the parents and the fans that don't have kids going to Sierra that fill those stands is an amazing tree at our water state playoff game, there was over 900 people at our game, and so that was an environment that you were screaming at each other to be able to hear each other on our benches.

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And that's an environment that you want for every basketball game.

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And so we can't express how thankful we are for our community without that.

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01:49:16,330 --> 01:49:17,390
Hanford's a special place.

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01:49:17,610 --> 01:49:22,950
Hanford has a great basketball history with the Hanford High Basketball team in 2001.

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01:49:23,990 --> 01:49:25,670
And their story program.

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01:49:26,170 --> 01:49:28,690
And we continue to just work to build on that legacy and

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01:49:28,690 --> 01:49:33,290
ensure that Hanford Women's Basketball continues to have a star on it.

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01:49:33,370 --> 01:49:35,750
And we hope to be that continued star as the future goes forward.

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So thank you all.

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01:49:36,690 --> 01:49:37,490
I

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01:49:43,470 --> 01:49:48,450
was at that basketball game with that water and that was a fun evening to watch that game with that gym

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It was absolutely amazing

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01:49:49,770 --> 01:49:56,930
So I have a resolution here. I'd like to read it and it's the city hamper resolution of recognition for the hamper joint union high school district

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01:49:56,930 --> 01:50:02,290
Valley champion sear Pacific high school golden bears girls basketball program whereas

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01:50:02,870 --> 01:50:10,570
The sear Pacific high school golden bears girls basketball program achieved its second central section Valley championship title in

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01:50:10,570 --> 01:50:19,150
in 2024-2025 school year, and whereas the team brought excitement, joy, pride to the

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01:50:19,150 --> 01:50:24,330
citizens of Hanford with their skill, enthusiasm, sportsmanship.

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01:50:25,210 --> 01:50:31,350
And whereas the Sierra Pacific High School girls basketball team were named the Division

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01:50:31,350 --> 01:50:32,670
2 Valley Champions.

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01:50:33,550 --> 01:50:40,970
And whereas head coach Victor Shaverin Jr., assistant coaches, Hayley Betencourt, Josh Blair,

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and Victor Shaverin were responsible for the leadership and direction of these successful

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young ladies.

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And whereas it is fitting and proper to recognize each of the following players for their athletic

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01:50:55,510 --> 01:51:01,050
achievements, skills, and sportsmanship that are credited towards the success of the team.

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I'm going to individually introduce each of the players, and first we have Kamora Gardner.

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Kamora, if I can have you come on up, stand up here in front of the, come around the front here,

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right down through the center.

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Next we have Riley Rue,

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Greedy Bangar,

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Andy Jones,

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Ava Nugent,

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Mia McLemore,

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Kiana Adams,

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Aja Jackson,

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Aiyang Aiyun,

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Oppa Jock Aiyun,

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Lila, Lough,

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and Yuzell, Kavio.

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So now, therefore, be it resolved.

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The Hanford City Council does hereby commend and applaud.

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It's here Pacific High School Golden Bears Girls Basketball Program for its achievements

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and for recognition and honor they have brought to the City of Hanford.

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Presented this day, 15th April, 2025,

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signed by Mayor Lou Martinez, vice mayor Travis Payton, council member Kimber

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Regan, councilwoman Nancy Howes, and councilwoman Mark Harris. Congratulations to you all.

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01:54:52,090 --> 01:54:53,170
Mr. Chair, ladies, the move, yes.

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There he is.

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Congratulations.

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Two points here tonight.

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Coach, ladies, thank you.

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01:56:03,340 --> 01:56:04,180
You got what it is?

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See what?

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I mean, with only four seniors,

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the future looks bright for the program as well.

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01:56:13,150 --> 01:56:16,050
The future and the past has been very bright for this program.

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So I'm excited to see what the years ahead bring.

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Mr. Mayor, thank you for giving me the opportunity.

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You're very nice as young ladies.

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Council member Kyrus, good job and a great group of young people and they've really accomplished

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great goal and achieved this recognition and want to be able to thank the public for

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being here and recognize them.

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Thank you very much.

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01:56:44,950 --> 01:56:49,770
Moving on, we'll move on to public comment section.

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At this time, citizens can comment on subject matters within jurisdiction of the Ampli-City Council.

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There's also a public opportunity to request an item from the consent calendar to be pulled for discussion purposes or to comment on any item on the agenda.

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State law does not allow the council to discuss or take action on issues not on the agenda.

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accept that members of the councilor staff may briefly respond to statements may

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request imposed by persons exercising their public testimony rights. A

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01:57:23,490 --> 01:57:27,190
maximum of three minutes is allowed for each speaker. At least begin your

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01:57:27,190 --> 01:57:30,730
comments by stating your name and providing your City of Residence.

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01:57:38,980 --> 01:57:39,400
Good evening

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01:57:39,400 --> 01:57:43,960
council. I come here tonight to ask you to reconsider your feather flag

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01:57:43,960 --> 01:57:48,760
ordinance that apparently was passed a few months ago. I don't expect the City

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01:57:48,760 --> 01:57:54,280
of Hanford to help us in business in any way. But I expected not to hinder us in business.

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01:57:55,120 --> 01:57:59,480
We were paid a visit by code enforcement and she was very respectful. She was just doing her

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01:57:59,480 --> 01:58:05,680
job. But we were asked to remove our feather flags at our business and those feather flags

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have created business. By that I mean we have a dealership and one of those flags states we buy cars.

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01:58:12,840 --> 01:58:18,420
people don't realize that when they drive by, and they see that, and they stop, and we

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purchase many vehicles throughout the years doing that. We also have a service

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department that's open to the public. One of those fellow flags stated that. That

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were open to the public. We generate business by that.

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01:58:35,460 --> 01:58:39,260
It's just it's wrong. We're

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01:58:39,260 --> 01:58:44,400
just trying to, we're just a small business with 10 employees. We create tax

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01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:51,460
revenue, we're a clean facility, and I feel like we get harassed on something minor like

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01:58:51,460 --> 01:58:55,800
that. If the city needs make an ordinance that maybe some people are going too crazy with

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01:58:55,800 --> 01:59:00,480
their feather flags, make it for so many feet you're allowed one feather flag. If you've

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01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:04,260
got a hundred feet of storefront, you're allowed one, two, whatever you guys come up with.

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01:59:04,780 --> 01:59:11,640
But just to ask us to remove it completely is this wrong. What's ironic though is on that

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That same day that we were asked to remove those feather flags, the illegal homeless camp

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01:59:16,260 --> 01:59:21,480
behind our property, which we've complained about, start a fire.

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01:59:22,340 --> 01:59:24,560
In that fire, propane tanks are exploding.

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Back fence is burnt.

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01:59:26,360 --> 01:59:27,540
Our department has to come.

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And we have it all in video, it was a show.

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When code enforcement is there, those people are back there.

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01:59:36,580 --> 01:59:40,840
you think they're asked to move, ask to clean up their crap, that they leave? No.

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01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:47,240
But we're asked to leave to get rid of our flags when they just had a fire, burnt the back of

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01:59:47,240 --> 01:59:53,700
the property, burnt the fence, fire department has to come out, it is an eye sore, there is so much

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01:59:53,700 --> 01:59:58,600
garbage back there, which has been taken care of, not by the city, but by us.

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That's all I ask is for you to reconsider the feather flag ordinance. Whether it's one for so many feet of storefront, I can understand that maybe people get carried away with their feather flags. One more note I'd like to just to bring up is we were a county island. We've been a business 32 years. We've been a county island. As far as we knew, 32 years. Apparently we were annexed in the city. That's how we found out is when code enforcement

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came the pays of visit. We were never notified that we've been annexed to the city ever.

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We found out when code enforcement showed up. Again, she was respectful, she was just doing her job,

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but just want to bring that up. Thank you. Our reference that was Stephen,

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Olivera, for anyone else wishing to speak.

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My name's Leonard Diaz, I'm with Hanford Hall of

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Sales also. As Stephen stated, we've been there for 30 years as a county item.

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We knew eventually we were going to be annexed.

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Like you said, we got notified by code enforcement come and tell us our flags were banned.

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I understand that some places have ratty looking flags.

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We have always kept our flags up neat, clean, they're taken down every evening and put up every

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02:01:25,770 --> 02:01:26,170
morning.

1280
02:01:27,450 --> 02:01:31,590
So to get that kind of notification that congratulations, you're a part of the city, take

1281
02:01:31,590 --> 02:01:32,210
out on your flags.

1282
02:01:33,390 --> 02:01:36,070
It's not a very welcoming thing.

1283
02:01:37,270 --> 02:01:41,550
As you said, being annexed in the city after we've been counting for 32 years,

1284
02:01:41,890 --> 02:01:47,230
and the only way we get notified officially that we've been taken is several months later

1285
02:01:47,230 --> 02:01:48,590
for a code enforcement.

1286
02:01:50,350 --> 02:01:54,790
I really strongly recommend City Council needs to sit and talk with the local businesses.

1287
02:01:54,970 --> 02:01:57,890
Not just those of us who've just been asked, but all the local businesses

1288
02:01:57,890 --> 02:02:04,190
to find out what we're going through with your code enforcement, with all these rules

1289
02:02:04,190 --> 02:02:06,010
and regulations that hinder our business.

1290
02:02:08,830 --> 02:02:13,250
This is something that is we didn't really want to become part of the city.

1291
02:02:14,750 --> 02:02:19,750
Understand why, but this is the only way we get treated.

1292
02:02:21,270 --> 02:02:25,230
I would have at least thought a nice little thing, hey, congratulations, you've just been

1293
02:02:25,230 --> 02:02:31,570
next to the city. Here's some of our rules and regulations. But that's not what

1294
02:02:31,570 --> 02:02:39,890
you guys do for us. We need help. The flags help us. They attract attention. We

1295
02:02:39,890 --> 02:02:44,190
have brand new flags that we keep in stock. As our flags start to look a little

1296
02:02:44,190 --> 02:02:50,590
ratty, we take them down. We replace them. Our flags are security. Into the ground, we

1297
02:02:50,590 --> 02:02:54,230
have sleeves drilled into the ground. So our flags are nice and secure. They're not

1298
02:02:54,230 --> 02:02:55,770
not going to blow over on top of somebody.

1299
02:02:56,970 --> 02:02:58,490
And I think they look nice.

1300
02:02:58,650 --> 02:03:01,330
I think our lot is probably one of the nicest looking areas

1301
02:03:01,870 --> 02:03:02,950
on that side of town.

1302
02:03:04,750 --> 02:03:05,930
It's not a nice sort.

1303
02:03:06,490 --> 02:03:07,210
They have those flags.

1304
02:03:08,170 --> 02:03:09,210
Are there some that are?

1305
02:03:09,510 --> 02:03:09,670
Yes.

1306
02:03:10,110 --> 02:03:11,510
And you notify those people and say,

1307
02:03:11,710 --> 02:03:13,090
you take them down and replace them.

1308
02:03:14,270 --> 02:03:16,050
But you're throwing the baby out with the bath water

1309
02:03:16,050 --> 02:03:17,290
when you knock everybody out.

1310
02:03:18,210 --> 02:03:18,790
Thank you.

1311
02:03:19,750 --> 02:03:20,430
Thank you.

1312
02:03:32,620 --> 02:03:34,740
Good evening, Mayor and members of the council.

1313
02:03:34,740 --> 02:03:36,140
So my name is Denise Braybat.

1314
02:03:36,660 --> 02:03:37,860
I'm a resident of Hamford.

1315
02:03:38,620 --> 02:03:41,000
I'm here tonight regarding violation notifications

1316
02:03:41,280 --> 02:03:43,720
and three citations we received from code enforcement,

1317
02:03:43,880 --> 02:03:45,780
regarding concrete in our frightening yard.

1318
02:03:46,580 --> 02:03:49,180
October 2, asking us to remove a basketball

1319
02:03:49,180 --> 02:03:51,200
who vehicle concrete pad.

1320
02:03:51,680 --> 02:03:55,800
I contacted Chris McCray, who requested a site plan.

1321
02:03:56,320 --> 02:03:57,800
I sent, never heard back.

1322
02:03:58,200 --> 02:04:01,180
First citation was December 19, $200 fine,

1323
02:04:01,180 --> 02:04:04,780
to have our RV vehicle removed from the concrete.

1324
02:04:05,340 --> 02:04:11,840
I explained the RV was only there for a few days for the holiday that I was still waiting

1325
02:04:11,840 --> 02:04:12,720
for her response.

1326
02:04:13,240 --> 02:04:19,580
On January 2nd, Chris replied, apologize for the delay and said that the concrete exceeded

1327
02:04:19,580 --> 02:04:27,420
40% limit, even though our home built in a cult to sack with a three car garage exceeded

1328
02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:29,000
when it was built.

1329
02:04:29,660 --> 02:04:33,980
She said, if we remove the RV and vehicles, the fine would be waived.

1330
02:04:34,280 --> 02:04:35,080
We complied.

1331
02:04:35,680 --> 02:04:41,340
January 6, I informed her we hired a construction company to remove the concrete mid-march.

1332
02:04:41,900 --> 02:04:42,900
She responded fine.

1333
02:04:43,940 --> 02:04:47,020
On March 12, I let her know rain delayed the job.

1334
02:04:48,360 --> 02:04:54,880
Until July 25, she responded received, thank you, despite this second citation dated March

1335
02:04:54,880 --> 02:04:57,480
27, we received it on March 31.

1336
02:04:57,480 --> 02:04:59,140
First, this signed $400.

1337
02:04:59,340 --> 02:05:02,800
My husband, Wayne, frustrated by the situation

1338
02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:06,680
called Chris, then spoke to Tom Webb on April 1st.

1339
02:05:06,840 --> 02:05:08,320
Hoping somebody would help us.

1340
02:05:08,660 --> 02:05:10,380
Tom said he would investigate it,

1341
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:13,180
but we never, and he'd follow up and let us know.

1342
02:05:13,600 --> 02:05:14,580
Haven't heard back from him.

1343
02:05:15,520 --> 02:05:18,140
Third citation, dated April 4th, $800.

1344
02:05:18,760 --> 02:05:20,880
We received it May, I'm sorry,

1345
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:23,580
we received it in the mail April 14th yesterday.

1346
02:05:24,240 --> 02:05:26,720
Oddly four days after my husband spoke with Chris

1347
02:05:26,720 --> 02:05:29,560
in Tom. It's now seems excessive.

1348
02:05:31,800 --> 02:05:34,160
I really hope that this doesn't have to do

1349
02:05:34,160 --> 02:05:38,180
anything with my husband due to his work. King's County Sheriff's Office, he is

1350
02:05:38,180 --> 02:05:44,200
actually the chief deputy corner, but so frustrated and I'm so sorry. Ever since

1351
02:05:44,200 --> 02:05:49,000
he spoke with both of the employees, it seems like it has escalated rapidly and

1352
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:49,500
unfairly.

1353
02:05:51,640 --> 02:05:55,220
We poured the concrete five years ago, we have four kids that are driving.

1354
02:05:55,220 --> 02:06:01,760
a share of take home car, we keep the cards off the street, park them out of the way of the neighbors,

1355
02:06:02,080 --> 02:06:03,560
none of our neighbors have ever complained.

1356
02:06:06,120 --> 02:06:09,920
It's just becoming frustrating. We have a date set

1357
02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:13,140
for the removal of the concrete, but yet we keep getting cited.

1358
02:06:16,430 --> 02:06:20,230
I'm so sorry, I've totally lost where I'm at in my spot,

1359
02:06:20,230 --> 02:06:27,430
but I just really wish that we can get this situated on why we are getting

1360
02:06:27,430 --> 02:06:32,690
cited all the time. And we have a date set to get it removed. It just doesn't

1361
02:06:32,690 --> 02:06:36,090
make sense. Thank you. Thank you.

1362
02:06:41,460 --> 02:06:44,460
Good evening, Bob Ramos. I live here in the city.

1363
02:06:45,780 --> 02:06:50,200
Incidentally, measure H. Part of that money is going to hire another

1364
02:06:50,200 --> 02:06:51,660
their code enforcement officer.

1365
02:06:52,140 --> 02:06:54,400
I've been coming to this podium for many years,

1366
02:06:55,040 --> 02:06:56,760
well over 14, but like that.

1367
02:06:57,300 --> 02:07:00,540
And I've never heard some much issues with code enforcement

1368
02:07:00,920 --> 02:07:02,820
as there is in the last couple of years.

1369
02:07:03,500 --> 02:07:05,920
It seemed like they're like a stumble of some sort.

1370
02:07:06,400 --> 02:07:07,360
They're hitting these businesses.

1371
02:07:08,160 --> 02:07:09,820
The flag issue, the other flags.

1372
02:07:10,020 --> 02:07:11,040
I see them all over town.

1373
02:07:11,220 --> 02:07:12,620
In fact, there's one on city property

1374
02:07:13,080 --> 02:07:16,320
at the new electrical place on Lacey Boulevard.

1375
02:07:16,320 --> 02:07:26,780
It just seems outrageous that we're hitting the public, the people that we depend on to pay those sales tax and spend money and so forth.

1376
02:07:27,300 --> 02:07:32,960
So it just seemed like higher than other ones going to even increase that particular problem.

1377
02:07:34,180 --> 02:07:43,440
back on another issue, a back on June 21 to 21, on the agenda that evening was a close

1378
02:07:43,440 --> 02:07:52,620
session regarding our city attorney, Mr. Facility there, and they were looking at his

1379
02:07:52,620 --> 02:07:57,320
performance evaluation and so forth. You guys haven't done that, but you did call for

1380
02:07:57,980 --> 02:08:04,660
And soon after that, there was a consensus to go out for a new attorney, I think in

1381
02:08:04,660 --> 02:08:05,240
22.

1382
02:08:06,180 --> 02:08:11,120
And they did the work and they came back with about four people, three people to replace

1383
02:08:11,120 --> 02:08:12,740
our existing city attorney.

1384
02:08:13,360 --> 02:08:19,080
And somehow another had got stopped in the process by Mr. Sequentes, based on some kind

1385
02:08:19,080 --> 02:08:23,780
of leakage of information or so forth that I heard, I don't know exactly, but it terminated.

1386
02:08:23,780 --> 02:08:25,760
And then a couple of weeks ago,

1387
02:08:27,320 --> 02:08:29,700
three council meetings back,

1388
02:08:29,880 --> 02:08:32,860
you have a consensus to bring this forward again

1389
02:08:32,860 --> 02:08:35,940
to shop for a new city attorney.

1390
02:08:36,360 --> 02:08:38,140
And that hasn't come to the agenda.

1391
02:08:38,440 --> 02:08:39,440
And I want to know why.

1392
02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:44,140
This needs Mr. Mazzotti has been here since 2007

1393
02:08:44,140 --> 02:08:49,280
way beyond the time that most cities have an attorney on staff.

1394
02:08:49,680 --> 02:08:51,120
We need to see what's out there,

1395
02:08:51,480 --> 02:08:53,460
give some other city attorneys a chance

1396
02:08:53,460 --> 02:08:59,680
to present their abilities to the city council, see what the prices are, and all that.

1397
02:09:00,460 --> 02:09:07,620
So you need to do that back to the, back in June of 21 I believe is John Doyle stood

1398
02:09:07,620 --> 02:09:15,440
right here about annexations and about the, if you have certain things when you get annexed

1399
02:09:15,440 --> 02:09:16,320
it will stay the same.

1400
02:09:16,740 --> 02:09:20,720
If you take them down, you can't put them back up, example, a cow.

1401
02:09:20,720 --> 02:09:25,580
If you have a cow in your backyard like some of those areas could have had or did if a cow was there

1402
02:09:25,580 --> 02:09:28,880
He could have as long as it lived once it died. You couldn't put another cow in

1403
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:34,220
And so what he said if you go back to Bank of June of 21 right here at this podium

1404
02:09:34,220 --> 02:09:37,780
I'll say a session that he talked about the annexations and

1405
02:09:37,780 --> 02:09:42,640
Things that were still the same that means that those flags and the on this annex

1406
02:09:43,140 --> 02:09:46,180
Position that the car lot should stay there. Thank you

1407
02:09:46,880 --> 02:09:47,520
Thank you

1408
02:09:54,820 --> 02:09:57,320
Good evening, and well, first of all, thank you

1409
02:09:57,480 --> 02:09:59,740
first time here, thanks for the opportunity.

1410
02:10:00,580 --> 02:10:01,580
It's going to sound repetitive,

1411
02:10:01,880 --> 02:10:04,300
but it is about the feather flag ordinance.

1412
02:10:05,300 --> 02:10:10,240
I am Jorge Casas representing Shogun Auto Center.

1413
02:10:10,920 --> 02:10:14,000
Vehicle dealer has been serving the local and surrounding

1414
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:15,820
communities for over 22 years.

1415
02:10:17,180 --> 02:10:20,060
It is a staple for us, for the car business in general,

1416
02:10:20,240 --> 02:10:22,660
those feather flags, balloons, and certain other things

1417
02:10:22,660 --> 02:10:25,760
that kind of signify that we're open to the public,

1418
02:10:25,760 --> 02:10:29,320
but they can come in and look at the vehicles, they do bring attention.

1419
02:10:30,760 --> 02:10:36,340
In our specific case, we have four, and just like the people at Hanford Auto Sales,

1420
02:10:36,500 --> 02:10:38,220
we keep them nice and clean and neat.

1421
02:10:38,800 --> 02:10:41,620
And ours are actually inside the lot, not in the street.

1422
02:10:42,680 --> 02:10:46,820
But the code enforcement lady came in and told us that we still had to take him down.

1423
02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:53,460
Funny thing, she is a previous customer of ours, and her words were, please forget my face

1424
02:10:53,460 --> 02:10:54,660
when I come back to buy a car.

1425
02:10:55,420 --> 02:10:59,880
that leads me to understand that even she thought it was kind of ridiculous and

1426
02:10:59,880 --> 02:11:06,620
pointless but however I know she doesn't make the code but if it can be taken into

1427
02:11:06,620 --> 02:11:12,280
consideration that will be wonderful we need every tool and help that we can get

1428
02:11:12,280 --> 02:11:15,860
so we can generate more money and therefore have a bigger impact in our local

1429
02:11:15,860 --> 02:11:23,220
economy. That's pretty much it, but we would love to get heard about this. Thank you.

1430
02:11:24,140 --> 02:11:27,440
Thank you. Anyone else wishing to speak?

1431
02:11:31,160 --> 02:11:38,080
Frank Santano, Utilities and Engineering Director. Mr. Mayor Staff would like to pull item F off the consent calendar.

1432
02:11:38,780 --> 02:11:41,200
F is in Frank. Thank you.

1433
02:11:45,480 --> 02:11:46,340
Item F pulled.

1434
02:11:46,340 --> 02:11:47,400
Judy

1435
02:11:49,800 --> 02:12:01,640
Scott Hanford wasn't really going to say anything tonight, but I keep kind of like Bob said, I keep showing up here and just about every city council, someone's complaining about code enforcement.

1436
02:12:03,980 --> 02:12:11,260
I hear tonight looked at all your goals and your objectives and what you guys want it. You want us to be happy.

1437
02:12:12,600 --> 02:12:14,620
And this isn't the way to do it.

1438
02:12:14,800 --> 02:12:20,180
You either need to change the code or get the code enforcement.

1439
02:12:20,560 --> 02:12:22,280
People on the right page.

1440
02:12:25,460 --> 02:12:32,580
I hear people trying to do the right thing after they've been told that they can't do that.

1441
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:38,580
But then I hear that, oh, here, get more money, more money, more money.

1442
02:12:38,580 --> 02:12:41,620
I don't think that's the right way to operate.

1443
02:12:42,580 --> 02:12:49,000
I really think that you guys need to take a look at this and I know what's going on because

1444
02:12:49,520 --> 02:12:55,240
if it's just one isolated incident, maybe not, but I don't see that.

1445
02:12:55,480 --> 02:12:56,660
I see it as a big problem.

1446
02:12:57,180 --> 02:12:57,700
Thank you.

1447
02:12:58,780 --> 02:12:59,420
Thank you.

1448
02:13:02,050 --> 02:13:03,710
Anyone else wishing to speak?

1449
02:13:07,540 --> 02:13:12,940
Seeing none, we'll close public hearing, public comment section and we'll move on to consent

1450
02:13:12,940 --> 02:13:19,480
and calendar, consent calendar items are considered routine and will be enacted in one motion.

1451
02:13:20,040 --> 02:13:25,000
There will be no separate discussion of these matters unless the separate request is made

1452
02:13:25,000 --> 02:13:30,060
to pull an item from the consent calendar and discussed and voted upon separately.

1453
02:13:30,820 --> 02:13:35,380
And item F has been pulled and in any other items, council.

1454
02:13:36,660 --> 02:13:41,680
Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to approve items A through G, admitting F.

1455
02:13:43,180 --> 02:13:45,220
Okay, we have motion, second,

1456
02:14:00,280 --> 02:14:05,060
motion passes, 5-0, item F.

1457
02:14:08,630 --> 02:14:14,610
Mr. Mayor, members of the City Council, staff would like to provide you a more accurate

1458
02:14:14,610 --> 02:14:20,310
at number on the total purchase price of the generator described in your report.

1459
02:14:22,070 --> 02:14:28,590
The purchase price in your report indicates a cost of 283,908.

1460
02:14:29,430 --> 02:14:34,190
The new price or the new cost would reflect sales tax.

1461
02:14:35,230 --> 02:14:37,970
That's the new at the new rate of eight and a quarter.

1462
02:14:37,970 --> 02:14:43,430
and then there was also a slight increase to an accessory unit, a transfer switch.

1463
02:14:43,870 --> 02:14:57,550
That increase was 2,323, so the updated cost for the generator, including taxes, is 309,000.

1464
02:15:02,030 --> 02:15:04,810
And that concludes my report unless there's questions for staff.

1465
02:15:07,420 --> 02:15:08,080
Requested to council.

1466
02:15:12,680 --> 02:15:13,180
Motion.

1467
02:15:16,890 --> 02:15:18,230
I'll second.

1468
02:15:20,770 --> 02:15:22,090
I have motion and a second.

1469
02:15:33,100 --> 02:15:36,600
Motion passes, my vote. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

1470
02:15:39,160 --> 02:15:54,660
It this time we'll go on to our public hearing. Community development, public hearing to accept comments regarding proposed modification to plan unit development. Request to modify the live vote, master plan.

1471
02:15:54,660 --> 02:16:00,560
unit development to delete requirements for decorative lighting, for liboque, east tracks,

1472
02:16:01,200 --> 02:16:13,960
865, 881, and 912. Modifications of resting, uh, tentative track 865, 881, and 912. Request

1473
02:16:13,960 --> 02:16:21,240
to remove the requirement for decorative lighting from the tentative track resolution

1474
02:16:21,240 --> 02:16:27,300
condition consistent with changes proposed to be made to the ribogue master plan.

1475
02:16:27,980 --> 02:16:39,020
Location is 865-881 and negative 912, generally located between NUME and Houston Avenue's

1476
02:16:39,020 --> 02:16:40,060
east of 12th Avenue.

1477
02:16:43,280 --> 02:16:46,320
Sam, I'll open up the table.

1478
02:16:47,560 --> 02:16:48,700
Thank you, Mayor.

1479
02:16:49,840 --> 02:17:04,260
Yeah, so I'd like to provide some context. So you know, we sort of described the track locations, but this shows a map of generally when we're talking about this this development project and the request we're referring to this area that's that's outlined and read there.

1480
02:17:04,780 --> 02:17:11,340
It's part of the live oak master plan. It's a residential, low density residential subdivision.

1481
02:17:13,640 --> 02:17:17,360
The Live Oak Master Plan was originally approved by Council in 2009.

1482
02:17:18,220 --> 02:17:22,860
It's a planned community of 390 acres, 1,560 dwelling units.

1483
02:17:23,500 --> 02:17:27,140
And in addition to that, there's park space and other amenities.

1484
02:17:27,500 --> 02:17:33,060
If you go back, you can kind of see this right here, aligns with this right here.

1485
02:17:33,200 --> 02:17:35,260
So that's the part of the development that we're looking at.

1486
02:17:39,580 --> 02:17:42,220
The request is sort of twofold.

1487
02:17:42,220 --> 02:17:50,400
The first is an amendment to the LIBOC master plan and the associated plan unit development and tentative track resolutions, and those are listed below.

1488
02:17:51,060 --> 02:18:06,860
The second part is a request to eliminate the decorative lighting requirement and offset the sort of value associated with that with 150,000 contribution from the developer towards amenities into the LIBOC park, which is located right here.

1489
02:18:11,100 --> 02:18:30,320
So some history behind this master this agreement the requirement for decorative lighting is found within the live oak master plan so the document that council adopted in 2009 indicated that this development had a specific type of decorative lighting that was different than sort of the standard by the new scene of subdivision.

1490
02:18:31,600 --> 02:18:37,240
As noted by the applicants, the Glendora sidewalk pool in Acorn Light is no longer offered

1491
02:18:37,240 --> 02:18:41,200
by Southern California Edison, so by the time they were installing lights, this particular

1492
02:18:41,200 --> 02:18:42,820
light was no longer available from Edison.

1493
02:18:44,340 --> 02:18:49,480
Request is made to staff to replace that light with a different decorative light.

1494
02:18:49,960 --> 02:18:52,000
So decorative light for decorative light.

1495
02:18:52,780 --> 02:18:56,520
Provided the description of that light below, but it's a decorative light.

1496
02:18:56,520 --> 02:19:02,680
So since the request could be justified as being substantially similar, staff was able

1497
02:19:02,680 --> 02:19:04,260
to administratively approve it.

1498
02:19:04,360 --> 02:19:08,300
So the document allows the director some leeway hay if there's minor modifications and it's

1499
02:19:08,300 --> 02:19:12,740
not major, you're switching one decorative light for another one, we could sign off on it.

1500
02:19:13,820 --> 02:19:17,480
So that was sort of the original request and the attached memo shows that.

1501
02:19:21,800 --> 02:19:27,180
Later on there was an updated lighting request from the developer to eliminate the decorative

1502
02:19:27,180 --> 02:19:32,460
of lighting altogether in favor of a city standard light. So this would be sort of a typical

1503
02:19:32,460 --> 02:19:37,700
light that you see in a subdivision. In the portions of the live-out tracks were their

1504
02:19:37,700 --> 02:19:41,620
developments taking place. And I'll go back to the map because I think it's kind of important

1505
02:19:41,620 --> 02:19:48,060
provide context. The development is very, very large. Their portion, the development, sorry,

1506
02:19:48,460 --> 02:19:55,840
is on the east side here. So the request to change the lighting to just the regular lighting

1507
02:19:55,840 --> 02:20:00,460
would just apply to the side east of that 12th by my street right there.

1508
02:20:04,020 --> 02:20:11,200
Yeah, just to make clear, this request for an amendment to remove the decorative lighting

1509
02:20:11,200 --> 02:20:15,020
requirement would just apply to their portion of the development and not to the other portion

1510
02:20:15,020 --> 02:20:17,280
of the development that's included in the master plan.

1511
02:20:20,590 --> 02:20:23,830
The requirement for decorative lighting is referenced in several places.

1512
02:20:24,230 --> 02:20:28,330
One is the planned unit development 2005-04 resolution.

1513
02:20:29,050 --> 02:20:35,570
So, what we had to do in why there's so many actions up here is the reference to the

1514
02:20:35,570 --> 02:20:37,530
decorative light is found in a lot of places, right?

1515
02:20:37,610 --> 02:20:41,610
It's found in the PUD, it's found in the development agreement, it's found in some resolutions,

1516
02:20:41,610 --> 02:20:45,710
so we're having to go back and we're modifying those to make it consistent.

1517
02:20:46,810 --> 02:20:53,650
So in the PUD, you'll see that area highlighted in red is where the modification takes place,

1518
02:20:53,650 --> 02:21:01,850
So it indicates that the decorative lighting is required except as modified for Live Oak East

1519
02:21:01,850 --> 02:21:05,450
tracks 865, 818, 912, so it carved out that exception.

1520
02:21:06,730 --> 02:21:12,570
Later on, there's another section that's part of a resolution that also sort of strikes

1521
02:21:12,570 --> 02:21:18,610
language out and indicates that it's been modified to show that we're making, there are requests

1522
02:21:18,610 --> 02:21:22,710
to make an exception for the decorative lighting requirement for this particular part of this

1523
02:21:22,710 --> 02:21:23,110
subdivision.

1524
02:21:26,210 --> 02:21:32,410
Due to it being a change to a several changes taking place, it had to go

1525
02:21:32,410 --> 02:21:37,570
to the Planning Commission first before it came to Council. The staff presented the

1526
02:21:37,570 --> 02:21:44,010
Planning Commission on March 25th, 2025. We received two comments. One was in favor, Nick

1527
02:21:44,010 --> 02:21:48,330
Peters, who represents the applicant, and there was no one opposed at the meeting.

1528
02:21:53,950 --> 02:21:54,510
We did

1529
02:21:54,510 --> 02:21:55,850
5.0 vote from the planning commission.

1530
02:21:58,700 --> 02:22:01,600
As a case with all sort of evaluations, we looked at the

1531
02:22:01,600 --> 02:22:07,560
environmental side of things. The changes proposed to live oak in this master plan

1532
02:22:07,560 --> 02:22:12,140
doesn't would not require an additional environmental assessment. There was an EIR done in the past.

1533
02:22:13,020 --> 02:22:20,240
So consequently a supplemental EIR or ISMNB is not required in this case. So no further

1534
02:22:20,240 --> 02:22:21,420
or major environmental assessment.

1535
02:22:24,110 --> 02:22:26,490
Again, the conditions of approval here,

1536
02:22:26,650 --> 02:22:28,750
if Council were to move forward with this,

1537
02:22:28,950 --> 02:22:31,070
is it would eliminate the requirement

1538
02:22:31,070 --> 02:22:33,810
for decorative lighting in this subdivision,

1539
02:22:34,990 --> 02:22:37,210
and it would also have a requirement

1540
02:22:37,210 --> 02:22:39,730
that the developer would contribute 150,000

1541
02:22:39,730 --> 02:22:41,570
towards park amenities in that neighborhood park.

1542
02:22:42,330 --> 02:22:45,850
And that number to sort of discuss where that came from

1543
02:22:45,850 --> 02:22:48,790
is we looked at the value of the decorative lighting

1544
02:22:48,790 --> 02:22:50,410
and the value of the standard lighting

1545
02:22:50,410 --> 02:22:57,230
in the gap between those two numbers with the polls that had already been installed

1546
02:22:57,230 --> 02:23:00,130
came out to about this number. That's where that number came from.

1547
02:23:03,060 --> 02:23:07,340
With that, I'm happy to answer any questions and here's the motions that would be associated

1548
02:23:07,340 --> 02:23:09,220
with this if it were to be approved.

1549
02:23:09,600 --> 02:23:11,440
I do have one question. Yes.

1550
02:23:12,320 --> 02:23:16,800
And this is directed for Brad. You probably would be the person that would be deciding how

1551
02:23:16,800 --> 02:23:20,760
that those funds get spent because they're being directed to the park. What do you anticipate

1552
02:23:20,760 --> 02:23:21,340
doing with that.

1553
02:23:26,620 --> 02:23:31,840
We haven't gotten to that level of detail yet. Several things we

1554
02:23:31,840 --> 02:23:37,300
could do. You could add on to play structures. You can do different age play

1555
02:23:37,300 --> 02:23:44,620
structures. You could put our shelters. There's a variety of ways you could use

1556
02:23:44,620 --> 02:23:50,780
that 150. But we have not landed like you will do this. There's some of the thoughts

1557
02:23:50,780 --> 02:23:59,940
you have okay yeah just to enhance the existing park question to them and this isn't necessarily

1558
02:23:59,940 --> 02:24:07,820
the specific instance but is well do we does the city of hamper build the park in this new

1559
02:24:07,820 --> 02:24:12,940
neighborhood or do they or does the builder build the park the developer would develop her build

1560
02:24:12,940 --> 02:24:18,260
the park so then Brad wouldn't really see that money because we're just telling the developer that

1561
02:24:18,260 --> 02:24:22,740
that they would need to point out a part that was a value of 110,000?

1562
02:24:22,980 --> 02:24:27,920
So in this case, the discussion has, or the action would be that they would contribute 150,000

1563
02:24:27,920 --> 02:24:28,700
toward park amenities.

1564
02:24:28,960 --> 02:24:33,120
Certainly, it would be a discussion about the value of the amenities with the developer who

1565
02:24:33,120 --> 02:24:38,260
would install the amenities, but you would figure out what that value would be with them, if

1566
02:24:38,260 --> 02:24:38,940
that makes sense.

1567
02:24:39,840 --> 02:24:46,080
But you would have control over what that energy got used for.

1568
02:24:46,080 --> 02:24:52,420
Yeah, so we'd have a discussion with them. We would talk about costs. We would arrive at something that's 150,000. Brad might have specific things

1569
02:24:52,420 --> 02:25:01,060
You'd like to see and we would look at what the overall cost is and we'd have 150,000. But that park is already built. Yes, so it would be an additional amenity in that existing park.

1570
02:25:01,240 --> 02:25:04,980
You would be able to stay in that park. It stays in that park, correct?

1571
02:25:06,200 --> 02:25:07,860
We go back to the

1572
02:25:10,550 --> 02:25:13,390
map of the development. Oh, yes.

1573
02:25:14,930 --> 02:25:22,650
one before. Now currently there are definitely in those being built and the

1574
02:25:22,650 --> 02:25:27,590
park is being built. Now is there any decorative or how many decorative

1575
02:25:27,590 --> 02:25:34,570
lights are currently installed or is it all the street lights? Are there

1576
02:25:34,570 --> 02:25:38,990
street lights currently? Did you give us like a little breakdown of how many

1577
02:25:38,990 --> 02:25:41,370
different types of lights are we going to see in one development?

1578
02:25:41,370 --> 02:25:51,470
Yeah, so so right now the standard street lights are installed on the property the developer wanted to be able to move forward with the development. This was seen as a measure to allow them to

1579
02:25:52,250 --> 02:25:58,050
Develop and close home so they installed the standard street lights. So right now there aren't any decorative lights. So

1580
02:26:00,610 --> 02:26:04,410
The requirement is if you know

1581
02:26:04,410 --> 02:26:07,510
So the requirement right now is to have decorative lights, right?

1582
02:26:07,650 --> 02:26:11,670
So the city has the ability to indicate, hey, these lights need to be replaced.

1583
02:26:11,930 --> 02:26:15,270
These were meant to be sort of temporary and replaced with decorative lights.

1584
02:26:15,870 --> 02:26:22,270
It was the hold up in stone because according to the plan, they were supposed to put in decorative lights.

1585
02:26:22,670 --> 02:26:26,850
Was the hold up, but they put in regular street lights.

1586
02:26:28,310 --> 02:26:30,290
Where did it, where did it, was there a communication?

1587
02:26:30,290 --> 02:26:36,110
they know about what the PUD stated and everything or was there because those

1588
02:26:36,110 --> 02:26:41,070
acorn lights were no longer mean so they did it and I'm just trying to

1589
02:26:41,070 --> 02:26:47,230
understand the whole yeah as I recall and we do have a representative from the

1590
02:26:47,230 --> 02:26:52,870
developer here that it was initially going to be a temporary thing with the intent

1591
02:26:52,870 --> 02:26:56,850
to sort of come back and replace it with decorative lights once there was a

1592
02:26:56,850 --> 02:26:59,590
determination made on an adequate replacement, right?

1593
02:26:59,850 --> 02:27:00,930
We know these lights are unavailable.

1594
02:27:01,350 --> 02:27:04,010
At some future date, when we know they're available,

1595
02:27:04,570 --> 02:27:05,550
we could swap them out.

1596
02:27:05,710 --> 02:27:07,930
They needed lights there before they could start selling help.

1597
02:27:08,970 --> 02:27:09,850
Yeah, the way I understand it.

1598
02:27:13,160 --> 02:27:14,340
Any other questions?

1599
02:27:15,260 --> 02:27:20,860
So I guess that's my question, Jason, is when the developer

1600
02:27:22,440 --> 02:27:25,460
originally submitted their plans for that development,

1601
02:27:25,460 --> 02:27:33,440
There was a specific requirement requiring a decorative light as I understand it.

1602
02:27:33,720 --> 02:27:40,500
Went in, shared their development, started building homes, didn't order, either didn't

1603
02:27:40,500 --> 02:27:47,920
order the decorative lights or miss ordered the lights, what I don't know, but the standard

1604
02:27:47,920 --> 02:27:50,480
lights show up, they installed the standard lights.

1605
02:27:50,480 --> 02:27:56,980
So now we're aware of the dilemmas that they haven't honored, I guess honored as a word

1606
02:27:56,980 --> 02:28:02,720
I would use that the requirements of the development for the decorative lighting that was agreed

1607
02:28:02,720 --> 02:28:08,660
upon part of the development taking form and in construction being done, correct?

1608
02:28:09,760 --> 02:28:14,600
So yes, that sort of decorative light requirement associated with this development was established

1609
02:28:14,600 --> 02:28:19,620
you know, in mid 2000, 2005, 677, something to that effect.

1610
02:28:20,060 --> 02:28:23,160
And so now that they've put in these regular street lights,

1611
02:28:25,280 --> 02:28:28,320
now they're asking for an exemption, basically,

1612
02:28:28,620 --> 02:28:31,200
and that the standard street lights are in,

1613
02:28:31,340 --> 02:28:32,520
they're working, they're functional,

1614
02:28:34,000 --> 02:28:36,380
instead of replacing all these street lights

1615
02:28:37,040 --> 02:28:39,520
with the requirement for the decorative lighting.

1616
02:28:40,360 --> 02:28:44,660
Now, I guess, is that my, is my assumption they're correct?

1617
02:28:45,540 --> 02:28:53,060
Yes, and I would add for the additional caveat that it would it would also apply to the rest of the undeveloped

1618
02:28:54,320 --> 02:28:57,400
portion of the subdivision. I don't want to give the impression that it would

1619
02:28:58,580 --> 02:29:03,160
moving forward that there would be decorative lights. This would allow for non decorative lights

1620
02:29:03,160 --> 02:29:08,160
in the rest of the subdivision on this side. So the individuals that went out and purchased these homes

1621
02:29:09,800 --> 02:29:12,200
may or may not have known that

1622
02:29:12,200 --> 02:29:13,960
deck of the lighting would have been part

1623
02:29:13,960 --> 02:29:16,980
of the aesthetics for that neighborhood correct.

1624
02:29:17,600 --> 02:29:19,040
They were potentially could of.

1625
02:29:19,220 --> 02:29:21,400
I mean, they may have had, you know,

1626
02:29:21,500 --> 02:29:23,240
may have asked the question like, hey, what, you know,

1627
02:29:23,340 --> 02:29:23,760
what's there?

1628
02:29:24,640 --> 02:29:25,840
Or they may have been told,

1629
02:29:27,120 --> 02:29:28,600
the street lights are temporary.

1630
02:29:28,740 --> 02:29:29,940
We're going to put in decorative lighting.

1631
02:29:30,200 --> 02:29:31,560
We just, you know, we couldn't get them ordered.

1632
02:29:32,100 --> 02:29:32,860
I don't know.

1633
02:29:32,960 --> 02:29:36,080
I guess we're just now being asked to make the change.

1634
02:29:36,080 --> 02:29:44,060
I mean, you know, I guess I struggle with the conditions of the agreement and what we're

1635
02:29:44,060 --> 02:29:49,940
trying to achieve is RSE aesthetics goal for this, not only this development moving forward,

1636
02:29:51,240 --> 02:29:56,120
but I know that we're looking at potentially developing the property on the west side of 12th Avenue.

1637
02:30:00,520 --> 02:30:27,340
Are they going to be given the same option of not having decorative lighting and they can put in normal streetlights or but by the code or by the agreement, it's decorative lighting, correct? Correct. So there hasn't been any requests from any other developer property owner to sort of go with the non decorative lighting. So as of right now, you know, the decorative lighting requirement would still apply to the property, the properties west of west of 12.

1638
02:30:29,040 --> 02:30:47,400
My thought is, I mean, I'm good with switching to the other street lights, I think it's not going to matter that much to potential residents or current residents aren't going to care as much as long as they've got lighting that makes them feel safe, but I like the idea of getting the $150,000 extra to use for park.

1639
02:30:47,400 --> 02:30:58,380
That one's coming forward. Do we have the ability to because they're going to save money because they don't have to do those do we have the ability to take and get extra funds for those coming going forward.

1640
02:30:58,760 --> 02:31:01,340
That could be used for extra amenities for the parks.

1641
02:31:02,000 --> 02:31:12,920
I would assume not because that money is really tied specifically to the lights that were already installed right if there is an assumption that they were supposed to be a decorative light.

1642
02:31:12,920 --> 02:31:17,780
There's a standard light, there's effectively a loss there, right?

1643
02:31:17,860 --> 02:31:25,740
If you look at the price gap and so that sort of park amenity, those park amenity dollars are associated with that.

1644
02:31:25,900 --> 02:31:28,460
It's not associated with future light changes or anything like that.

1645
02:31:28,640 --> 02:31:35,740
If I would think that if there was a request in the future, get rid of that requirement all together,

1646
02:31:36,020 --> 02:31:39,680
I don't know if we would be in a sort of similar position.

1647
02:31:39,680 --> 02:31:44,620
I assume, I mean, Councillor could make requests, but I think that's where I'm kind of going

1648
02:31:44,620 --> 02:31:48,700
here is, is it make the exception here, right, then we're going to be making exceptions

1649
02:31:48,700 --> 02:31:52,420
for any other development that occurs moving forward.

1650
02:31:53,100 --> 02:31:57,500
We don't necessarily have an option on this because the lights that they were going to use

1651
02:31:57,500 --> 02:31:58,620
aren't available anymore.

1652
02:31:59,200 --> 02:32:04,540
What they've done is they've managed to take and pull $150,000 for us.

1653
02:32:05,060 --> 02:32:07,120
If it is, there is decorative lighting available.

1654
02:32:07,120 --> 02:32:16,000
Yeah, it's my understanding that staff went ahead and gave the developer a comparative alternative

1655
02:32:16,000 --> 02:32:19,520
from what was initially that correct.

1656
02:32:19,760 --> 02:32:25,740
I mean, yeah, so we found another decorative light that was, you know, SE had available

1657
02:32:25,740 --> 02:32:32,660
that and, you know, we staff in the developer agreed that it was close enough or decorative enough

1658
02:32:32,660 --> 02:32:50,080
that we could still claim it was decorative lighting so there was an alternative to sort of what was originally in the master plan and the developer did agree to that yes that new decorative lighting was that assigned agreement or was that something that was just

1659
02:32:50,080 --> 02:33:01,100
The amendment was placed to the current, you know, the current, because this is the third amendment desired. Is that correct? Yes, there's been previous amendments.

1660
02:33:02,340 --> 02:33:11,120
I don't recall what the details are. They predate me by some time, but yes, there have been amendments in the past. I think most of them are design related if I remember correctly.

1661
02:33:11,120 --> 02:33:11,920
Yeah,

1662
02:33:14,860 --> 02:33:18,480
I don't, I don't, I don't want to give my, I'm sorry, Mr. Vice Mayor, I don't want to give my eye off the ball.

1663
02:33:18,620 --> 02:33:27,960
I mean, I understand the importance of maybe yet, you know, or some concern of, that means some additional park funding, but the park's built.

1664
02:33:28,240 --> 02:33:33,060
It's there. It's, it met the criteria of the developer at the time they developed it.

1665
02:33:33,340 --> 02:33:40,100
It really were just coming down to, you know, the lights and the agreement that was what style of lighting would be in that development.

1666
02:33:40,100 --> 02:33:48,140
I just I'm just afraid we make an exception on this one. We're going to be asked to make exceptions moving forward when we're trying to get

1667
02:33:50,470 --> 02:33:57,610
Councilman Kyrus. I completely agree with what you're saying is that I don't I don't want to establish a precedence that we can

1668
02:33:57,610 --> 02:34:03,030
Enter into agreement and all of a sudden we keep on changing as this being the third time

1669
02:34:04,770 --> 02:34:10,090
And we're only speaking of right now the current development is what's in the red?

1670
02:34:10,090 --> 02:34:17,370
correct the next picture there's an expansion is that will that be built by

1671
02:34:17,370 --> 02:34:23,470
the same developer or is that going to be up to bid for other developers to look

1672
02:34:23,470 --> 02:34:30,930
into that may appreciate and like the decorative lighting mode to fancy up

1673
02:34:30,930 --> 02:34:36,370
that the streets yeah it could be as I understand the property and you're it's

1674
02:34:36,370 --> 02:34:41,530
going to find developer or developers to develop the homes there.

1675
02:34:41,670 --> 02:34:45,750
And it could be, you know, I suppose any developer that's willing to sort of move forward with

1676
02:34:45,750 --> 02:34:46,030
the map.

1677
02:34:48,130 --> 02:34:52,810
So if they had to go back and replace the existing light that are there with a decorative

1678
02:34:52,810 --> 02:34:55,590
light, what would that cost them?

1679
02:34:56,930 --> 02:35:01,670
You know, I'd have a hard time estimating what that cost would be.

1680
02:35:01,670 --> 02:35:05,530
You know, if the applicant, I know applicants here, maybe they have something.

1681
02:35:06,130 --> 02:35:08,430
Well, we talked about 150,000 for the park.

1682
02:35:08,430 --> 02:35:11,810
So, I mean, is it, is it, is that the number we're looking at?

1683
02:35:12,070 --> 02:35:16,790
It would likely be higher because that's the gap between sort of the value difference between the differential.

1684
02:35:16,990 --> 02:35:17,250
Yes.

1685
02:35:17,670 --> 02:35:20,870
What the, sort of the base value of each poll is off the top of my head.

1686
02:35:21,070 --> 02:35:22,130
I don't recall, unfortunately.

1687
02:35:26,880 --> 02:35:29,880
I think the developers trying to get anything on this.

1688
02:35:29,880 --> 02:35:34,740
I think it just was a situation of the light poll that was intended as it was no longer available.

1689
02:35:34,740 --> 02:35:40,320
They, like, it just sounds like some people made some decisions that were necessary to

1690
02:35:40,320 --> 02:35:40,760
be made.

1691
02:35:41,280 --> 02:35:48,540
For me, it doesn't seem, I think it's a good job to get something in return for our concession

1692
02:35:48,540 --> 02:35:52,200
to them by saying, yes, that's okay, the light.

1693
02:35:52,640 --> 02:35:52,960
I don't know.

1694
02:35:53,080 --> 02:36:00,360
It just seems like if we, you know, in being a city that is good to work with, it seems like

1695
02:36:00,360 --> 02:36:01,660
that would be being a little difficult.

1696
02:36:01,660 --> 02:36:03,700
You're like, man, I think you should take those out

1697
02:36:03,700 --> 02:36:05,060
because of them an a-corn on the top

1698
02:36:05,060 --> 02:36:08,200
that it seems like they'll develop her friendly.

1699
02:36:08,540 --> 02:36:11,040
It seems like being kind of tipped for tat to me.

1700
02:36:12,680 --> 02:36:14,420
I'd just rather take the hundred and fifty

1701
02:36:14,420 --> 02:36:15,820
use it in the parks for the kids

1702
02:36:15,820 --> 02:36:17,100
and just all that a day.

1703
02:36:18,020 --> 02:36:19,860
Well, I take my problem with it is the agreement

1704
02:36:19,860 --> 02:36:22,460
of what in the conditions of what the agreement

1705
02:36:22,460 --> 02:36:24,460
the developer had initially to put in.

1706
02:36:25,300 --> 02:36:27,980
It's not, I don't want to take my app to ball.

1707
02:36:28,120 --> 02:36:30,720
I don't want to get into the $150,000 for the park.

1708
02:36:30,720 --> 02:36:38,740
I'm more worried about making concessions for something that, you know, we have in place the standard. They were they were contacted.

1709
02:36:39,920 --> 02:36:50,640
They were given an option, you know, they for whatever reason, I don't know why they chose to go with the standard light and put them in. Maybe they were back ordered.

1710
02:36:50,960 --> 02:36:58,920
I don't know, I can't answer why that happened, but to me, I think in order as if I was a property owner there, I don't want to be made whole, right?

1711
02:36:58,920 --> 02:37:18,800
I would, I purchased in that neighborhood with a certain expectation of a design or decor, whatever the case may be, I would like to know that, you know, my commitment as a property owner purchasing from them was I was going to get a and I think they should be honored with that.

1712
02:37:18,800 --> 02:37:23,940
I think, you know, I don't want to, 150,000, you know, I mean, it isn't a lot of money for,

1713
02:37:24,060 --> 02:37:28,100
I mean, when we were talking park money, I mean, you could do some things, but we're not talking

1714
02:37:28,100 --> 02:37:33,720
any large scale. And again, I think we're taking eye-eye off the ball, and that is the requirement

1715
02:37:33,720 --> 02:37:38,240
of what the lighting was, was to be decorative lighting, and they put in standard lighting,

1716
02:37:38,480 --> 02:37:45,140
and now they, I mean, when I'm gathering, just simple terms, they don't want to go back and

1717
02:37:45,140 --> 02:37:46,460
put in the required lighting.

1718
02:37:46,960 --> 02:37:49,500
Jason, what are the other neighborhoods using for lighting?

1719
02:37:49,820 --> 02:37:51,300
Is it similar to what they're using?

1720
02:37:52,480 --> 02:37:53,900
As what's currently in there?

1721
02:37:55,320 --> 02:37:57,300
The non-acorn lighting.

1722
02:37:57,580 --> 02:37:58,480
Yes, that would be.

1723
02:37:58,480 --> 02:37:59,820
To me and everything else,

1724
02:38:00,040 --> 02:38:03,480
I feel like this probably puts up more light

1725
02:38:04,100 --> 02:38:04,980
than the acorn lights.

1726
02:38:05,200 --> 02:38:07,820
The acorn lights typically don't produce as much light.

1727
02:38:07,900 --> 02:38:09,280
I don't think we should say that, Kimler.

1728
02:38:09,720 --> 02:38:12,080
We don't, we have no knowledge, the light production.

1729
02:38:12,160 --> 02:38:12,760
It's not measurable, right?

1730
02:38:12,880 --> 02:38:13,720
We don't have that added.

1731
02:38:13,720 --> 02:38:23,380
But I just think I established a precedent for future developments that you can go into

1732
02:38:23,380 --> 02:38:31,400
an agreement and then all of a sudden change their mind halfway through the phases of

1733
02:38:31,400 --> 02:38:31,880
the project.

1734
02:38:31,880 --> 02:38:39,260
I know the development that I live in halfway through the big huge housing market crash

1735
02:38:39,260 --> 02:38:44,020
happened and then all of a sudden everything's changing so the houses that we're supposed

1736
02:38:44,020 --> 02:38:48,460
to be built it doesn't look they don't look the same or have the same

1737
02:38:48,460 --> 02:38:54,100
amenities as the first phase and so I mean I just think that the establishing of

1738
02:38:54,100 --> 02:38:59,780
the precedent for future developments I think and changing midway through is

1739
02:38:59,780 --> 02:39:04,020
probably just something that I don't think we as a city should be forward with.

1740
02:39:04,160 --> 02:39:07,000
But the lights are no longer available so no matter what they were going to be

1741
02:39:07,000 --> 02:39:11,020
changed. No they are available. And there's a decorative life that was agreed upon by

1742
02:39:11,020 --> 02:39:16,720
both parties the city and the developer to move forward when the initial decorative lighting

1743
02:39:16,720 --> 02:39:23,640
was not no longer being built. There was an agreement for another set of decorative lighting

1744
02:39:23,640 --> 02:39:28,540
that was agreed upon by both parties. Do you have a picture of that light, Jason?

1745
02:39:28,920 --> 02:39:33,280
Yes, it's on page 191 and 182. Yeah.

1746
02:39:35,580 --> 02:39:38,260
I just know that we are we are considered

1747
02:39:39,380 --> 02:39:46,660
And from being in the working in the housing industry for 23 years, I know that I hear a lot

1748
02:39:46,660 --> 02:39:51,320
of people, a lot of builders that a lot of developers say that we are not as business-friendly

1749
02:39:51,320 --> 02:39:54,480
or builder-friendly as some other towns are.

1750
02:39:55,020 --> 02:40:00,120
And I just, to me and everything else, the cost that it would take to have a builder go

1751
02:40:00,120 --> 02:40:04,320
back through and change all of the lighting through an entire neighborhood, I just feel like

1752
02:40:04,320 --> 02:40:08,960
would be better off. Again, taking and doing something extra for kids in the park.

1753
02:40:11,560 --> 02:40:17,800
I'm with Kimber on this one. Yeah, it just seems like I've seen a lot of good faith

1754
02:40:17,800 --> 02:40:22,760
in the history of this. I don't think anybody was, I don't think a builder is trying to take

1755
02:40:22,760 --> 02:40:26,480
advantage of us. I don't think we're setting some precedent that now builders are kind of come to

1756
02:40:26,480 --> 02:40:32,600
hand front and do whatever they want. I don't think it's that. I think this is just a unique situation

1757
02:40:32,600 --> 02:40:40,900
that happened and I felt I think the city and this ask for 150 grand was just trying to

1758
02:40:42,000 --> 02:40:50,880
you know get some comparable value for the home purchasers of it and really that and also I

1759
02:40:50,880 --> 02:40:56,920
don't know is that even our business between the builder and the purchaser of the home like what the

1760
02:40:56,920 --> 02:40:59,800
the builder promises, the purchaser of the skin,

1761
02:41:00,140 --> 02:41:02,700
we don't have a time that I can't get involved in that.

1762
02:41:03,220 --> 02:41:06,140
But we do set the standards for development.

1763
02:41:06,540 --> 02:41:08,480
But a lot of times whenever a developer

1764
02:41:08,480 --> 02:41:12,540
is doing a subdivision and they have a certain tile

1765
02:41:12,540 --> 02:41:14,700
or a certain counter or a certain back splash

1766
02:41:15,220 --> 02:41:18,320
in a model home, that may become no longer available.

1767
02:41:18,760 --> 02:41:20,780
So then they have other options and everything else.

1768
02:41:21,040 --> 02:41:23,460
And nobody is not going to buy a house in that neighborhood

1769
02:41:23,460 --> 02:41:25,040
because it doesn't have acorn lights.

1770
02:41:25,040 --> 02:41:28,680
It's not going to be a deciding factor to people one way or the other.

1771
02:41:28,880 --> 02:41:39,840
As long as it provides much lighting, you know, but I mean, like I said, I commend Jason and whoever else was involved coming up with $150,000 to be used.

1772
02:41:40,020 --> 02:41:49,640
You guys did a great job. That's the way I see it, but they were also given an option with a second decorative light to put in which they agreed to.

1773
02:41:51,490 --> 02:41:54,150
I would rather have more park facilities for kids.

1774
02:41:56,470 --> 02:42:02,970
So that's what I'm saying, so that's what I'm saying, but we set a standard for a development standards for development in our community.

1775
02:42:02,970 --> 02:42:13,850
So we're saying now that those standards don't apply, you know, if a developer decides to change its mind and doesn't want to follow the, you know, and put in regular street lights, that's okay.

1776
02:42:13,850 --> 02:42:15,970
I don't agree with that.

1777
02:42:16,350 --> 02:42:22,490
I think there was an agreement between a developer and the city and the development was going

1778
02:42:22,490 --> 02:42:27,070
to be developed with a certain design and a certain look, and it needs to be honored.

1779
02:42:27,790 --> 02:42:28,730
And there is an option.

1780
02:42:28,910 --> 02:42:34,250
It isn't like they weren't given an option, even though the original E cornlight wasn't available.

1781
02:42:34,410 --> 02:42:38,470
They were given an option and agreed to the second option of the other decorative light

1782
02:42:38,470 --> 02:42:39,310
to have it installed.

1783
02:42:39,910 --> 02:42:40,750
They agreed to that.

1784
02:42:40,750 --> 02:42:46,570
But that creates a pain in the butt for them walking belly homes.

1785
02:42:46,570 --> 02:42:51,690
Okay, but it would not take and be business friendly to the builder we want the builders to take and work with us.

1786
02:42:51,810 --> 02:42:56,070
We want we just we've just got to be more business friendly is how I see it.

1787
02:42:56,070 --> 02:43:06,610
I have a question Jason for future housing developments will there be a new contract with each builder for each track subdivision.

1788
02:43:07,890 --> 02:43:16,350
So where all of this will be worked out for each new thing, so if it doesn't each build or have its own contracts.

1789
02:43:16,530 --> 02:43:19,350
So this development agreement applies to the entire.

1790
02:43:20,310 --> 02:43:22,730
Yeah, I understand to that specific area.

1791
02:43:22,850 --> 02:43:24,690
So they wouldn't have a specific agreement.

1792
02:43:24,730 --> 02:43:28,810
So they would be subject to a development agreement that was adopted.

1793
02:43:29,250 --> 02:43:33,250
No, but I'm saying Mark's talking a lot about this setting of precedent for future.

1794
02:43:33,250 --> 02:43:39,290
I'm saying that isn't every future building I'm talking about things we don't even know ten years from now

1795
02:43:39,290 --> 02:43:43,350
Won't that all be a brand new contract at that time entered in between

1796
02:43:44,070 --> 02:43:45,710
Whoever's building the home and

1797
02:43:45,710 --> 02:43:49,390
He's got the land in the city. We wouldn't have a separate

1798
02:43:50,070 --> 02:43:56,310
Sort of something that sits outside of this so it's me. Yeah, each each project has its own

1799
02:43:56,310 --> 02:43:59,550
Not necessarily so this was so wait a minute

1800
02:43:59,550 --> 02:44:04,050
So if we're going to build another subdivision five years from now, we're going to go off of these plans.

1801
02:44:04,750 --> 02:44:05,150
Correct.

1802
02:44:05,450 --> 02:44:06,950
Those requirements, not the plan.

1803
02:44:07,090 --> 02:44:07,230
Correct.

1804
02:44:07,390 --> 02:44:07,510
Yes.

1805
02:44:07,910 --> 02:44:08,970
The lighting required.

1806
02:44:09,070 --> 02:44:12,090
I don't think I'm clear on this whole sub this concept right here.

1807
02:44:12,190 --> 02:44:12,530
Sorry.

1808
02:44:12,790 --> 02:44:12,870
Yeah.

1809
02:44:13,350 --> 02:44:16,610
So I'm hoping people in the audience don't understand this.

1810
02:44:16,670 --> 02:44:20,050
If you're not somebody who lives in this world, like I did not know.

1811
02:44:20,150 --> 02:44:23,290
I thought we were talking about this specific subdivision.

1812
02:44:23,290 --> 02:44:26,430
I didn't know we were talking about lighting for every other subdivision.

1813
02:44:26,430 --> 02:44:30,890
that was going to happen. It would be lighting for publishing a precedent for all future.

1814
02:44:31,070 --> 02:44:34,010
Glad we cleared this up because I was very happy. Jason I have a question. Yes.

1815
02:44:35,030 --> 02:44:41,110
Once the agreement between San Joaquin Valley or the developers and the city on the new decorative

1816
02:44:41,110 --> 02:44:41,710
lights.

1817
02:44:43,920 --> 02:44:49,940
Why the change? Are they not in stock? Are they not? And what was what's the rationale for all

1818
02:44:49,940 --> 02:44:56,980
of a sudden that we just want to go to the standard street lights and no longer have that

1819
02:45:00,750 --> 02:45:27,650
Probably, I would assume, I mean, that would be a good question for them. I would assume cost probably played a role. Right, so maybe we, Mr. Mayor, if we can go to the public comment and maybe then after I would like to clarify council member houses questions. So, so these decorative lights. Yeah, I understand it's, it's pretty complicated. The decorative lights, the requirement associated with the decorative lights applies to this map that you're seeing right here.

1820
02:45:28,690 --> 02:45:33,910
So if a subdivision was built in another side of town, they would just use the city standard

1821
02:45:33,910 --> 02:45:38,130
lights because there's not sort of a, this area has like an additional plan that sits

1822
02:45:38,130 --> 02:45:38,790
on top of it.

1823
02:45:38,870 --> 02:45:42,890
It says, hey, you have a different set of rules here, and here's your set of rules that

1824
02:45:42,890 --> 02:45:43,310
are outlined.

1825
02:45:43,650 --> 02:45:45,290
And this is our first CFD, correct?

1826
02:45:45,750 --> 02:45:46,930
This was our first CFD, correct?

1827
02:45:47,350 --> 02:45:50,410
Now I feel like that's back to the way I thought I understood it.

1828
02:45:50,990 --> 02:45:52,670
I'm so confused right now.

1829
02:45:52,910 --> 02:45:53,590
This is so embarrassing.

1830
02:45:53,910 --> 02:45:54,370
I don't...

1831
02:45:54,370 --> 02:45:55,310
Well, the development...

1832
02:45:55,310 --> 02:46:07,430
I'm just you're done. Yeah, I'm sorry. So anyway, let's just take that corner over there on 12th and Fargo when whoever goes to build their they do not have to follow these light

1833
02:46:07,430 --> 02:46:19,770
specifications is correct. So then what is Travis talking about and mark time out with this precedence. So that's the part where I don't know what that's the part I'm confused on each in what I'm talking about when we're talking

1834
02:46:19,770 --> 02:46:21,610
and presidents is the continuation

1835
02:46:21,610 --> 02:46:23,730
of the rest of this development.

1836
02:46:25,070 --> 02:46:26,630
So right here, if we look, if we go,

1837
02:46:37,400 --> 02:46:39,840
I'm talking, my precedence is right there,

1838
02:46:39,940 --> 02:46:41,820
the finish to complete this,

1839
02:46:42,080 --> 02:46:47,320
because we have this agreement for this, these lots.

1840
02:46:48,240 --> 02:46:49,500
And that's what I'm saying.

1841
02:46:49,820 --> 02:46:51,640
If we change it now, it's a,

1842
02:46:51,760 --> 02:46:52,720
we're, we're,

1843
02:46:52,720 --> 02:46:55,220
residents is for the yes.

1844
02:47:01,400 --> 02:47:18,070
I mean this is going to take what by 10 maybe depends on the market how many years to develop so when we're talking we're talking future that's what I'm talking about and there's no way that you can get those extra funds from them because they would be saving money on the lights.

1845
02:47:19,790 --> 02:47:27,850
Could you try they're not saving money. It's my understanding they're not because they're just putting the differential into the park.

1846
02:47:27,850 --> 02:47:33,650
No, but I'm saying that other future park area they're able to use cheaper

1847
02:47:33,650 --> 02:47:41,870
lights than they initially had in the plan. Would you try? You know I wasn't

1848
02:47:41,870 --> 02:47:44,270
something that that we did we discussed with them.

1849
02:47:46,900 --> 02:47:48,320
Anyway either way I'm for

1850
02:47:48,320 --> 02:47:59,400
taking a hundred and fifty and telling Fred do something nice. I don't even know

1851
02:47:59,400 --> 02:48:03,380
And so if we decide, go ahead with the lighting,

1852
02:48:04,000 --> 02:48:04,320
they change.

1853
02:48:04,840 --> 02:48:06,780
That doesn't mean that we've got to go

1854
02:48:06,780 --> 02:48:09,760
that same thing that happened with the second section.

1855
02:48:10,600 --> 02:48:11,060
Is that correct?

1856
02:48:11,380 --> 02:48:11,700
That's correct.

1857
02:48:11,820 --> 02:48:14,440
It would only apply to the area east of 12th,

1858
02:48:14,440 --> 02:48:16,140
west of 12th, the development agreement,

1859
02:48:16,460 --> 02:48:19,300
and the master plan and all those things still apply.

1860
02:48:19,680 --> 02:48:22,080
You would, you're still subject to the decorative lighting.

1861
02:48:22,240 --> 02:48:26,880
So say a different developer as this west side portion,

1862
02:48:26,880 --> 02:48:32,880
and there are held to the original UD.

1863
02:48:33,300 --> 02:48:36,000
Yeah, and development agreement and multiple resolutions there.

1864
02:48:36,300 --> 02:48:38,840
And then they would have to go and negotiate

1865
02:48:38,840 --> 02:48:41,660
if they didn't want street lights, they would have to come back to the council

1866
02:48:41,660 --> 02:48:45,960
and say no, we would like to choose a regular street light

1867
02:48:45,960 --> 02:48:50,080
as opposed to the decorative light going through this whole process again.

1868
02:48:51,180 --> 02:48:52,520
We would undergo the same process.

1869
02:48:52,780 --> 02:48:56,000
It would be fine commission and council because council

1870
02:48:56,000 --> 02:48:58,060
is the final say on the development agreement.

1871
02:48:58,240 --> 02:48:59,580
So yes, it would be the same process,

1872
02:48:59,600 --> 02:49:01,080
but we're different areas.

1873
02:49:01,240 --> 02:49:03,280
Zill initially have to do the decorative lightings

1874
02:49:04,780 --> 02:49:06,360
according to the point, okay?

1875
02:49:07,540 --> 02:49:09,740
We could, if they have, if they come back to us,

1876
02:49:09,860 --> 02:49:12,100
we could still try to get the additional funds

1877
02:49:13,180 --> 02:49:15,420
if we wanted to, because we had already set a precedent

1878
02:49:15,420 --> 02:49:17,340
on that, possibly.

1879
02:49:20,270 --> 02:49:22,590
I'd have to see how that would work, possibly.

1880
02:49:23,570 --> 02:49:26,270
I'd have to think about that one a little bit, okay?

1881
02:49:26,270 --> 02:49:31,010
Okay, we'll go ahead and open up for any public comment.

1882
02:49:31,250 --> 02:49:37,950
Anyone wishing to speak in favor, please vote to Mike.

1883
02:49:38,850 --> 02:49:41,290
I'm Nick Peters, representing San Montgomery Homes.

1884
02:49:42,630 --> 02:49:46,210
So I'm here to answer your questions or to shouldn't lie down

1885
02:49:46,210 --> 02:49:50,110
anything you need to kind of edit in context of this request.

1886
02:49:51,430 --> 02:49:54,130
We've been building out there for a little bit

1887
02:49:54,130 --> 02:49:59,630
over three years. We purchased the master plan from the people who put it together.

1888
02:50:00,010 --> 02:50:06,550
It was originally put together back in what 2000, I think it was originally circulated

1889
02:50:06,550 --> 02:50:12,250
right around 2007 and then re-approved. So a lot of the premises for this master plan

1890
02:50:12,250 --> 02:50:18,830
predate current development standards. So when they originally developed this master plan

1891
02:50:18,830 --> 02:50:23,270
what there was a trade-off, the trade-off was we get higher density lots, 5,000 square foot

1892
02:50:23,270 --> 02:50:28,950
lots in exchange for all these additional amenities that we're adding and at the time it was really

1893
02:50:28,950 --> 02:50:34,350
a good deal. Now where where we are in a 5,000 square foot lot is a standard in hand fruit so we can

1894
02:50:34,350 --> 02:50:43,650
build those anywhere. So as far as the the development is concerned we're our trade off though we didn't

1895
02:50:43,650 --> 02:50:48,750
intend when we originally intended when we originally started building this we were unaware of

1896
02:50:48,750 --> 02:50:52,410
the street light standard and we built the first phase and then we were all the way into the second

1897
02:50:52,410 --> 02:50:57,090
phase before it was found out. And then that's kind of when we discovered, okay, well we're going

1898
02:50:57,090 --> 02:51:02,490
to have to go back, rip out all of the, all of the footings, all of the cabling in the ground.

1899
02:51:02,690 --> 02:51:06,870
It's going to come out. Everyone's front yard's got to come out. So as we can get all the cabling back

1900
02:51:06,870 --> 02:51:11,470
in, we have to redo the spacing, redo because the acorns are like every hundred feet as opposed to

1901
02:51:11,470 --> 02:51:18,410
250 feet. So there's quite a few more footings involved and then there's, yeah, to go through

1902
02:51:18,410 --> 02:51:28,290
So there was a lot of legwork that would have to happen to retrofit this back to the original light that was called for and again, it wasn't even available at the time.

1903
02:51:28,570 --> 02:51:37,490
So we were trying to come up with a solution and this is a little bit of the background of where we came up with that temp where we're like, let's just let's get something that would fit right on top of the other one.

1904
02:51:38,110 --> 02:51:43,590
right and then we can we can make that happen but that even though that that

1905
02:51:43,590 --> 02:51:49,090
light is available it also would require that we rip out all of the old lights

1906
02:51:49,090 --> 02:51:52,630
and Sasko wouldn't take those lights back and we couldn't reuse those lights

1907
02:51:52,630 --> 02:51:57,390
anywhere so we'd wind up with 68 lights so we don't have anything to do with and so

1908
02:51:57,390 --> 02:52:01,650
that's kind of where we're like well it's the same light that's everywhere else in

1909
02:52:01,650 --> 02:52:06,630
Hanford let's try and see if we can you know work with the city and we work with the

1910
02:52:06,630 --> 02:52:11,130
staff to come up with what we thought was an equitable trade to get to where

1911
02:52:11,130 --> 02:52:13,330
we're at today. And that's the agreement that we're talking about.

1912
02:52:15,610 --> 02:52:20,110
I feel it's a win-win situation. You guys do build a very nice house.

1913
02:52:20,830 --> 02:52:22,690
Thank you. Yes, ma'am.

1914
02:52:23,810 --> 02:52:32,550
You said when you said that housing development was first bought and planned in 2007.

1915
02:52:33,190 --> 02:52:34,590
I can't remember the original.

1916
02:52:35,130 --> 02:52:42,130
And then you guys and start building on it when about five years ago we started working on it. Okay. Thank you

1917
02:52:43,650 --> 02:52:50,110
It's it's a very old master plan. So a lot of the like usually when you're doing a master plan with the city

1918
02:52:50,110 --> 02:52:54,710
They're intent of that is I want something special. So I'm going to give you something special

1919
02:52:54,710 --> 02:53:00,110
So there's kind of this trade off and that's part of that process of developing what the master plan is and in this case

1920
02:53:00,110 --> 02:53:06,290
like we built that park that park is an oversized park we paid for half of it so that was like done in conjunction with the city

1921
02:53:07,250 --> 02:53:13,750
So there's other different things that we've done out there as well that would normally not have been done if it was developed anywhere else in

1922
02:53:13,750 --> 02:53:18,450
Hanford right like we built we built homes up on the north side of a pan for to we built parks for you up there

1923
02:53:18,450 --> 02:53:23,570
But those were part of the Diffie program this one, you know, we we covered half the cost of it

1924
02:53:24,230 --> 02:53:27,470
As part of the deal in order to get this thing going so

1925
02:53:27,990 --> 02:53:31,890
Did I hear you correctly when you said you guys started to put them in when you

1926
02:53:31,890 --> 02:53:34,990
realized that they weren't the right ones and you realized the footings would

1927
02:53:34,990 --> 02:53:39,870
have to be different that that you actually need more acorn lights cover the same

1928
02:53:39,870 --> 02:53:45,710
area than a standard or did I hear miss your that no you're you're correct we

1929
02:53:45,710 --> 02:53:53,770
we installed all of the all of the lights and phase one and had ordered and

1930
02:53:53,770 --> 02:53:56,990
and installed all of the conduit in footings for phase two

1931
02:53:57,660 --> 02:54:00,030
before we were informed that they were the wrong lights.

1932
02:54:01,090 --> 02:54:02,810
So we were all the way into phase two

1933
02:54:02,810 --> 02:54:04,350
before we realized that.

1934
02:54:04,470 --> 02:54:05,410
So that's helpful.

1935
02:54:05,930 --> 02:54:08,570
When you were informed about who informed you about the line?

1936
02:54:08,910 --> 02:54:13,990
One of the field inspectors was inspecting the phase one

1937
02:54:13,990 --> 02:54:16,130
to get us try and get out of it.

1938
02:54:16,390 --> 02:54:18,370
Like we were trying to get our NSE on phase one,

1939
02:54:18,830 --> 02:54:22,230
and at the time he realized that there was a,

1940
02:54:22,230 --> 02:54:24,850
that page and the master plan that everyone had overlooked.

1941
02:54:25,290 --> 02:54:27,110
So was there, sorry, was there an oversight

1942
02:54:27,110 --> 02:54:29,410
then on behalf of Sam Joaquin Valley Homes?

1943
02:54:30,390 --> 02:54:31,810
And everyone involved with the original?

1944
02:54:32,550 --> 02:54:32,690
Yes.

1945
02:54:33,350 --> 02:54:34,430
Everyone involved.

1946
02:54:34,970 --> 02:54:37,830
And just so I can understand this, the timeline,

1947
02:54:39,510 --> 02:54:42,290
you were in phase two is when you found out

1948
02:54:42,290 --> 02:54:43,390
about the requirement.

1949
02:54:44,070 --> 02:54:44,230
Yes.

1950
02:54:44,490 --> 02:54:47,870
When was the agreement, the second agreement

1951
02:54:47,870 --> 02:54:52,150
or the decorative light that we currently have

1952
02:54:52,150 --> 02:54:55,050
that San Joaquin Valley in the city has agreed upon.

1953
02:54:55,470 --> 02:54:58,670
I believe it was obvious in that year,

1954
02:54:59,030 --> 02:54:59,410
so it was...

1955
02:54:59,410 --> 02:55:01,310
Maybe not the date but the phase.

1956
02:55:02,110 --> 02:55:05,710
When was that agreed, the new agreement that

1957
02:55:06,150 --> 02:55:11,310
this decorative lighting is no longer being manufactured.

1958
02:55:11,910 --> 02:55:15,590
Here we agree, staff comes with like here's

1959
02:55:15,590 --> 02:55:21,290
a comparable decorative light, when was that agreement solidified in what phase?

1960
02:55:22,130 --> 02:55:28,270
That would be kind of in between phase two and three, so in the process of building

1961
02:55:28,270 --> 02:55:28,810
phase three.

1962
02:55:29,150 --> 02:55:30,430
So in

1963
02:55:36,220 --> 02:55:45,020
a sense the city is saving San Joaquin Valley homes, a lot more than $150,000 by this

1964
02:55:45,020 --> 02:55:52,360
decision because you would not have to tear up the sidewalk but the new

1965
02:55:52,360 --> 02:55:54,640
footings and everything is that correct.

1966
02:55:56,860 --> 02:55:58,440
That is correct, but I don't think

1967
02:55:58,440 --> 02:56:06,000
that's a holistic understanding of where we're at. That single point of analysis

1968
02:56:06,000 --> 02:56:11,560
is true, yes. So the cost of us ripping out the front of the sidewalks and

1969
02:56:11,560 --> 02:56:15,200
redoing all of that work would be enough to sink the subdivision. So that's

1970
02:56:15,200 --> 02:56:17,120
and it's just where it's at.

1971
02:56:18,920 --> 02:56:21,520
So whatever just decided upon tonight,

1972
02:56:21,600 --> 02:56:24,460
if it goes not in your favor of what you desire,

1973
02:56:24,860 --> 02:56:29,140
you would have to go back and change those 68 lights

1974
02:56:29,140 --> 02:56:31,160
with the new decorative lightings

1975
02:56:31,160 --> 02:56:32,780
that you're currently agreed upon.

1976
02:56:33,340 --> 02:56:35,400
And that would not be something

1977
02:56:35,400 --> 02:56:36,960
that the city would pay for, correct?

1978
02:56:39,780 --> 02:56:42,380
No, I can't imagine you would.

1979
02:56:42,980 --> 02:56:46,520
Okay, so that's the point of being saying that

1980
02:56:46,520 --> 02:56:51,740
whatever this this outcome is and if we're saying okay, we're gonna allow the

1981
02:56:51,740 --> 02:56:56,380
street lights to be changed. We're in a sense saving you a lot of money.

1982
02:57:03,280 --> 02:57:12,420
Yes, okay. I have a question. You said the acorn lights you have to have them

1983
02:57:12,420 --> 02:57:17,740
like twice or they're a lot closer. Yeah, there's a lot more than the lights you're

1984
02:57:17,740 --> 02:57:22,820
using do actually truly put out more light than the acorn light. The light that

1985
02:57:22,820 --> 02:57:29,700
We're installing as a standard and for street light. It's the same one that's on every other street man for it and every seven, but do you know about the lighting output of it?

1986
02:57:31,180 --> 02:57:40,480
The spacing is almost I think it's a little over double double the distance between each light. So I figure it probably puts out a lot more light does. It's a lot. It's a lot.

1987
02:57:41,340 --> 02:57:49,940
Okay, you know, I mean to me and everything else. I mean if if I were a builder, okay, and I have a contractor's license, but if I were building a subdivision.

1988
02:57:50,780 --> 02:57:57,420
And was faced with a situation like this to where a city council did not work with me and allow me to take and

1989
02:57:57,420 --> 02:58:03,060
Basically come to an agreeable plan. I would think really highly about wanting to build in that town again

1990
02:58:03,060 --> 02:58:07,000
And I feel like we need to be build your friendly and work with you on it

1991
02:58:07,000 --> 02:58:11,740
And I mean like I said I'm I'm all for taking the 150.150,000

1992
02:58:11,740 --> 02:58:18,800
Making the park even a better park than you've already made it and everybody continuing on and doing business together. That's

1993
02:58:19,940 --> 02:58:22,380
We're ready to make a motion. I would like to make that motion.

1994
02:58:22,820 --> 02:58:24,340
I just have a public question.

1995
02:58:25,240 --> 02:58:27,500
We're not in time. We're still in public comment.

1996
02:58:30,360 --> 02:58:34,340
So, if you had to go and replace these lights with the decorative light,

1997
02:58:34,760 --> 02:58:38,440
Mr. Mayor, just really quick, if we're in public comments that we probably,

1998
02:58:38,620 --> 02:58:42,300
I know I was felt, we shouldn't be engaged in discussion.

1999
02:58:42,440 --> 02:58:46,240
We should just hear all the public comments or and I made that mistake.

2000
02:58:46,820 --> 02:58:50,540
Okay. So, do we get to ask questions of the committee?

2001
02:58:50,540 --> 02:58:50,760
I don't know.

2002
02:58:51,000 --> 02:58:55,140
Well, I think he's answered the questions that we have.

2003
02:58:55,640 --> 02:58:56,560
We've posed him.

2004
02:58:57,080 --> 02:59:00,440
I don't know if I was out of line and asked if you have any other questions.

2005
02:59:00,760 --> 02:59:04,420
I was just curious as to what the differential, the cost differential would be.

2006
02:59:04,640 --> 02:59:08,260
I mean, if we if we left it the way it was versus if they had to go in and take out those

2007
02:59:08,260 --> 02:59:12,660
in those 64 lights or whatever that number is, I mean, what are we talking?

2008
02:59:12,820 --> 02:59:15,460
How much what would that set you back as a developer?

2009
02:59:16,940 --> 02:59:24,260
It's a really hard thing to tell you from the, like, from the, the diet is here, but I'm not, I'm not holding, I don't want to hold you.

2010
02:59:24,840 --> 02:59:33,860
I mean, but I mean, are we talking to a million dollars, are we talking, you know, sufficiently enough money that it would probably end the subdivision.

2011
02:59:34,420 --> 02:59:39,820
When you say, and that's why I was coming back to that question because you made that comment earlier and the subdivision, what do you mean?

2012
02:59:40,700 --> 02:59:43,460
We wouldn't be able to continue building the master plan, we'd have to walk.

2013
02:59:45,300 --> 02:59:48,480
Meaning the rest of the second, the rest of the build up, right?

2014
02:59:49,700 --> 02:59:56,400
And just that section, that Westside buildout is not City County Valley homes right now that the other side isn't us yet.

2015
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:04,240
Right. I want to make sure I have it right.

2016
03:00:06,600 --> 03:00:08,120
It's that's turning on.

2017
03:00:13,760 --> 03:00:31,280
We've built that upper right corner already. That's already built. But yeah, there's there's a little bit more left here. And we, I think you, like I said, I think the single point analysis that you're asking is not necessarily the right question here. We are we fully intend on developing

2018
03:00:31,280 --> 03:00:36,980
developing the rest of this master plan, unless it becomes cost prohibitively expensive to continue developing here.

2019
03:00:37,540 --> 03:00:48,460
That's the case for every subdivision in your city. Developers will continue building as long as it's cost, as long as what we're doing ends up making ends meet, right?

2020
03:00:48,920 --> 03:00:56,980
So you're asking me how much money is it going to cost to go back and rip out all of the sidewalks, all of the curb, redo all the footings, buy new street lights.

2021
03:00:57,520 --> 03:01:03,080
That's that's an outrageous amount of money to go back and get that done, right? And so I'm not

2022
03:01:04,100 --> 03:01:10,880
When you're talking about the scale of things, we're completely ripping out the right of way on both sides of the street to get the conduit back into the

2023
03:01:10,880 --> 03:01:14,120
Pull the lights to the right place. I

2024
03:01:14,120 --> 03:01:16,980
Guess I was where I'm where you found and

2025
03:01:18,420 --> 03:01:23,460
About the decorative lights in phase two. Yeah, but in phase three

2026
03:01:23,460 --> 03:01:27,800
You agreed to a new set of decorative lights.

2027
03:01:28,320 --> 03:01:28,760
Yeah.

2028
03:01:29,960 --> 03:01:32,100
Why did you agree to that new phase?

2029
03:01:33,000 --> 03:01:34,500
We thought that would work out.

2030
03:01:35,480 --> 03:01:41,760
We definitely we intended on putting those lights in and then when we started looking at what's it going to take to put those lights in, it kind of fell apart.

2031
03:01:42,060 --> 03:01:43,540
Right. So it's the same kind of cost one.

2032
03:01:44,240 --> 03:01:44,460
Yeah.

2033
03:01:44,460 --> 03:01:48,700
cost for it up significantly and then the idea of going back and resetting the

2034
03:01:50,580 --> 03:01:55,920
you know the the the previous stacks and then having you know a bunch of lights that can't be used

2035
03:01:55,920 --> 03:02:02,710
anywhere else essentially eating the cost on on all 68 lights that we installed already.

2036
03:02:04,590 --> 03:02:06,270
Do you have a question to council?

2037
03:02:08,750 --> 03:02:11,010
Anyone else wishing to speak in favor?

2038
03:02:16,510 --> 03:02:17,850
Anyone wishing to speak?

2039
03:02:24,920 --> 03:02:30,080
I don't know where I'm at but I have I have this I have this thought you're

2040
03:02:30,080 --> 03:02:33,920
encountering like a complicated issue and you haven't got all the information

2041
03:02:33,920 --> 03:02:38,360
it just seemed to me since we're in public comment our public hearing time

2042
03:02:38,360 --> 03:02:43,080
this should have been a study session issue to get out all the information so you

2043
03:02:43,080 --> 03:02:48,300
can make a better better decision because right now I think you're not sure if

2044
03:02:48,300 --> 03:02:49,280
if you're making the right decision.

2045
03:02:49,480 --> 03:02:51,080
We don't want to cost this amount a lot of money,

2046
03:02:51,300 --> 03:02:52,300
but yet at the same time,

2047
03:02:52,440 --> 03:02:54,400
you want to fulfill the needs of that community.

2048
03:02:54,800 --> 03:02:57,420
So I feel that this should have been a steady session issue,

2049
03:02:57,880 --> 03:02:58,740
just my thoughts.

2050
03:02:59,220 --> 03:03:01,380
Are you neither in favor nor opposed, correct?

2051
03:03:05,250 --> 03:03:08,050
Anyone wishing to speak in opposition?

2052
03:03:11,980 --> 03:03:12,360
In none?

2053
03:03:14,380 --> 03:03:15,180
Back to council.

2054
03:03:15,800 --> 03:03:16,340
Back to council.

2055
03:03:16,880 --> 03:03:21,020
I make a motion that we graciously accept $150,000

2056
03:03:21,020 --> 03:03:22,540
to be used towards the park.

2057
03:03:22,540 --> 03:03:30,800
We appreciate what Nick is doing in San Joaquin Valley homes is doing here in our community. We hope that they continue building here for a long time and

2058
03:03:32,800 --> 03:03:44,840
continue. I would like to make a substitute motion that substitute motion is I would like to go back to the drawing board. I'd like to table this. I think we need to

2059
03:03:44,840 --> 03:03:53,360
to potentially make sure that we all have a good understanding

2060
03:03:53,360 --> 03:03:58,740
of what's taking place and bring it back in two weeks.

2061
03:04:01,560 --> 03:04:02,840
I'll second that, Mr. Royce Merrick.

2062
03:04:04,930 --> 03:04:07,790
Okay, we have motion in

2063
03:04:10,190 --> 03:04:10,550
a second.

2064
03:04:10,630 --> 03:04:11,110
In a second?

2065
03:04:11,470 --> 03:04:11,690
Mm-hmm.

2066
03:04:12,710 --> 03:04:15,850
Where the substitute motion is that one?

2067
03:04:16,190 --> 03:04:17,930
What substitute measure is that correct?

2068
03:04:18,210 --> 03:04:19,130
Substitute motion.

2069
03:04:20,130 --> 03:04:25,090
that we will bring it back in two weeks after having a greater understanding.

2070
03:04:43,020 --> 03:04:48,480
Okay, we have a 5.0. We'll bring it back in two weeks.

2071
03:04:49,280 --> 03:04:50,160
Thank you very much.

2072
03:04:50,560 --> 03:04:58,880
Is there specific information that Council would like to make sure that's provided or just sort of place it out a bit more?

2073
03:05:00,940 --> 03:05:04,680
I mean, if I can speak for myself, I would love to meet with you.

2074
03:05:05,080 --> 03:05:09,600
Okay, we have an individual one-on-one meeting, would you kind of get, and I would encourage

2075
03:05:09,600 --> 03:05:13,280
my colleagues, and you do the same, to get the background, get the information.

2076
03:05:13,980 --> 03:05:20,200
And then that way, we're, you know, better prepared to have a further discussion.

2077
03:05:21,120 --> 03:05:21,540
Appreciate that.

2078
03:05:21,640 --> 03:05:21,820
Thank you.

2079
03:05:22,140 --> 03:05:22,240
Yes.

2080
03:05:22,680 --> 03:05:23,160
Appreciate that.

2081
03:05:23,560 --> 03:05:23,960
Thank you.

2082
03:05:25,060 --> 03:05:25,380
Okay.

2083
03:05:25,560 --> 03:05:27,120
Moving on to General Business.

2084
03:05:27,120 --> 03:05:28,380
I

2085
03:05:32,740 --> 03:05:38,060
am a minor development discussion of the historic and

2086
03:05:38,060 --> 03:05:42,220
architectural merit of the contributing building located at 103 North

2087
03:05:42,220 --> 03:05:48,500
County Street in accordance with the hampered municipal code, 17.48.170.

2088
03:05:50,320 --> 03:05:51,400
Substandard building.

2089
03:05:56,340 --> 03:06:00,880
So council out of the abundance of caution I'm going to recuse myself in this

2090
03:06:00,880 --> 03:06:05,280
matters since our firm represents Mr. Boish and other matters.

2091
03:06:06,040 --> 03:06:06,480
Thank you.

2092
03:06:14,520 --> 03:06:15,540
Thank you, Council.

2093
03:06:16,800 --> 03:06:21,620
As mentioned, the purpose of this item is to look at the historic and architectural

2094
03:06:21,620 --> 03:06:27,080
merit of the building that was recently declared substandard by the building.

2095
03:06:27,380 --> 03:06:31,340
By the way, I should mention, Tom Webber, our building official sitting next to me.

2096
03:06:31,340 --> 03:06:37,320
So, but prior to, you know, sort of having a discussion with Council, I want to provide

2097
03:06:37,320 --> 03:06:41,440
some sort of background on it and, you know, allow for Tom as well to provide some input

2098
03:06:41,440 --> 03:06:43,840
on his opinion on the structure.

2099
03:06:45,580 --> 03:06:51,820
And our municipal code, 1748 170, substandard buildings, and this is found within sort

2100
03:06:51,820 --> 03:06:57,320
of the historic portion of the municipal code.

2101
03:06:57,440 --> 03:06:59,340
So this is specific to historic buildings.

2102
03:07:00,020 --> 03:07:04,860
When a designated historic building or structure within a historic district is declared

2103
03:07:04,860 --> 03:07:10,060
substandard or dangerous by the building official or fire marshal, the city council must evaluate

2104
03:07:10,060 --> 03:07:14,760
the structure's historic and architectural merit and provide recommendations to the building

2105
03:07:14,760 --> 03:07:16,840
official within 30 days of notification.

2106
03:07:17,380 --> 03:07:23,860
So a couple of weeks ago, building official, we had discussion notified that this building

2107
03:07:23,860 --> 03:07:25,580
is indeed substandard.

2108
03:07:27,580 --> 03:07:33,280
103 North Dowdy, this building that we're discussing, as mentioned March 24, 2025, the building

2109
03:07:33,280 --> 03:07:38,700
official determined that a structure, which is a designated contributing building.

2110
03:07:39,740 --> 03:07:42,580
And what that means is there are certain buildings within our downtown that have a contributing

2111
03:07:42,580 --> 03:07:46,000
designation, which means there's some type of historical value or character associated with

2112
03:07:46,000 --> 03:07:46,260
it.

2113
03:07:47,200 --> 03:07:48,780
That presents a safety concern.

2114
03:07:49,740 --> 03:07:55,000
And this determination was made based on an inspection of the building in addition to

2115
03:07:55,000 --> 03:07:58,500
structural observations from a third party, there was a structural engineer

2116
03:07:58,500 --> 03:07:59,960
who went in the building as well.

2117
03:08:06,320 --> 03:08:08,560
So the historic merit of the building will

2118
03:08:08,560 --> 03:08:12,580
start there. So the building is a once-story unreinforced brick masonry

2119
03:08:12,580 --> 03:08:19,140
structure, baiting back to 1890s. So it's gone over multiple alterations and

2120
03:08:19,140 --> 03:08:23,700
iterations throughout its lifetime. Originally there were large folding doors on

2121
03:08:23,700 --> 03:08:28,560
both Doughty and Sixth Street facades and then at some point they were replaced

2122
03:08:28,560 --> 03:08:34,100
with glass storefronts. The original brick exterior has been covered with

2123
03:08:34,100 --> 03:08:39,620
stucco, so that occurred in 1971. That occurred at some point, and then in

2124
03:08:39,620 --> 03:08:44,740
1971 the artificial rock work that you see on the exterior of the building was

2125
03:08:44,740 --> 03:08:50,720
added. It served several historic uses. We have sort of a record of what people

2126
03:08:50,720 --> 03:08:53,490
have told us that it was used for, and I guarantee you there's things that are

2127
03:08:53,490 --> 03:09:00,390
here. It was a saloon, a tailor, barbershop, baggage storage, butcher shop, sewing shop, plant shop,

2128
03:09:00,810 --> 03:09:05,690
auto part store. It's been several things throughout this history. For when I could tell the saloon

2129
03:09:05,690 --> 03:09:07,570
was the first thing, but it could be wrong.

2130
03:09:10,170 --> 03:09:14,430
So this provides some context. This is the current

2131
03:09:14,970 --> 03:09:22,050
exterior of the building as it exists right now. And here's another angle from a different side

2132
03:09:22,050 --> 03:09:29,910
of the building. So that provides some context to sort of the architectural merits of the exterior

2133
03:09:29,910 --> 03:09:34,510
of the building. You can see sort of the brick work that was sort of stonework that was added in

2134
03:09:34,510 --> 03:09:35,630
the 1970s.

2135
03:09:38,250 --> 03:09:42,310
This is just some of the highlighting some of the damage on the exterior of the building.

2136
03:09:42,610 --> 03:09:51,550
The parapet up here is leaning and then you see pretty sizable sections of the stucco as fallen off

2137
03:09:51,550 --> 03:09:55,490
the building and I could be wrong if I'm talking might be associated with the

2138
03:09:55,490 --> 03:09:59,530
leaning cracks and stuff that caused the succote.

2139
03:10:02,440 --> 03:10:05,160
Here's the current interior of

2140
03:10:05,160 --> 03:10:10,320
the building. I should mention as far as we know it hasn't been occupied or

2141
03:10:11,140 --> 03:10:19,300
maintained for some time. Certainly more than 15 years as far as we know and I

2142
03:10:19,300 --> 03:10:21,480
I could, that could be on the lower end,

2143
03:10:21,520 --> 03:10:22,380
it might be over 20.

2144
03:10:25,460 --> 03:10:27,440
Here's some more interior photos.

2145
03:10:28,940 --> 03:10:31,380
This is part of the tail here,

2146
03:10:31,560 --> 03:10:33,800
but this is some exterior brick wall

2147
03:10:33,800 --> 03:10:37,380
and it's fresh air is getting in there,

2148
03:10:37,400 --> 03:10:37,980
it goes to the outside.

2149
03:10:40,660 --> 03:10:41,920
Here's some of the roof.

2150
03:10:44,450 --> 03:10:46,390
This, for example, some of the brick,

2151
03:10:47,050 --> 03:10:48,350
the exterior brick wall.

2152
03:10:48,590 --> 03:10:50,110
And again, this is unreinforced masonry,

2153
03:10:50,110 --> 03:10:53,910
so this is what's holding up a lot of the building.

2154
03:10:56,000 --> 03:10:58,960
It has a subfloor underneath, so if you go under,

2155
03:10:59,080 --> 03:11:03,720
if you lift up for the plywood, it's, I don't know how deep is it.

2156
03:11:07,070 --> 03:11:10,050
And I didn't go down there to investigate what it looked like

2157
03:11:10,050 --> 03:11:12,470
to do, I can't remember if you went down there, okay.

2158
03:11:12,870 --> 03:11:15,350
We looked in to kind of get a sense what it looked like.

2159
03:11:15,670 --> 03:11:18,710
It's deep and it was dark and stuff down there.

2160
03:11:18,970 --> 03:11:21,810
So, but it just gives you an example of underneath the subfloor.

2161
03:11:21,810 --> 03:11:25,610
It's not, you know, it's not a concrete pad or something like that. Right. It's, there's a hole.

2162
03:11:27,890 --> 03:11:33,850
So the substandard determination was made based on several sort of findings or

2163
03:11:33,850 --> 03:11:39,450
or things that we noticed or that Tom noticed in the architect and engineer noticed.

2164
03:11:40,650 --> 03:11:44,170
I'll kind of go over briefly and I'll let Tom sort of elaborate on each one.

2165
03:11:45,290 --> 03:11:50,830
So roof and water intrusion. So there seem to, as from the pictures, you can tell there's water damage. So there's water getting in somewhere.

2166
03:11:54,350 --> 03:12:04,290
The individuals, the engineering firm noticed wood rot during certain areas because, you know, water's running down and there's, you know, the wood was, was giving away.

2167
03:12:06,110 --> 03:12:14,390
And as mentioned, there's recalls and mortar failure as well. And I'll let Tom elaborate a little bit on both of those based on his observations.

2168
03:12:19,320 --> 03:12:23,620
The water intrusion has come in through many places in the roof you saw where the ceiling

2169
03:12:23,620 --> 03:12:24,520
was falling down.

2170
03:12:25,720 --> 03:12:33,740
The roof structure, the rafters are sitting on the unreinforced masonry and over age and

2171
03:12:33,740 --> 03:12:40,020
as they get wet, they rot, so the bearing points are rotting as the wood as well as the brick

2172
03:12:40,020 --> 03:12:45,520
themselves that it's sitting on is giving way, the roof is slowly sagging down.

2173
03:12:48,200 --> 03:12:50,780
The brick and

2174
03:12:50,780 --> 03:12:56,000
mortar, you saw the pictures where the bricks were falling out, those older buildings are usually

2175
03:12:56,000 --> 03:13:02,140
three courses wide of the brick. They've got, and they turned them, so it gave them some structural

2176
03:13:03,060 --> 03:13:07,180
integrity, but as they fall out, and it's the lower bricks that are coming out,

2177
03:13:07,180 --> 03:13:13,880
the bearing possibilities of those walls are deteriorating, deteriorating quickly.

2178
03:13:14,840 --> 03:13:21,120
The stucco that was falling off on the outside started off at about the size of a brick about a year ago.

2179
03:13:21,580 --> 03:13:25,560
Now it's at large almost four foot square area.

2180
03:13:26,260 --> 03:13:31,280
The wall that goes down the center of the building is actually leaning out.

2181
03:13:32,400 --> 03:13:39,020
I put a level on it and it was an inch and four feet, which as you go up I think is like 14 feet

2182
03:13:39,020 --> 03:13:45,580
ceiling. So it's a couple inches leaning out and that's what causing the parapet staying here

2183
03:13:45,580 --> 03:13:51,780
and the walls pushing it out. So it's got a kind of a V shape in it now. That's what's popping that off.

2184
03:13:52,640 --> 03:13:59,900
Some of the roof tiles as you progress on the pictures they're falling off. Those could fall down,

2185
03:13:59,900 --> 03:14:04,680
hit somebody the stucco could fall down hit somebody the wall could go at any

2186
03:14:04,680 --> 03:14:12,140
time the parapet wall it's very weak building then you know the other two

2187
03:14:12,140 --> 03:14:15,540
items in Tom mentioned one on that south wall that's where the parapet's

2188
03:14:15,540 --> 03:14:19,740
located that there's structural weakness there you can see usually that there

2189
03:14:19,740 --> 03:14:26,660
it is. Also mentioned the subfloor so underneath the subfloor there is

2190
03:14:26,660 --> 03:14:32,320
Settling in the center of the building and there's this placement with the floor and the interior post the post that Tom mentioned

2191
03:14:32,320 --> 03:14:36,120
That were in the middle that are kind of leaning there and it could be related to the subsurface condition

2192
03:14:36,120 --> 03:14:42,960
So you have you know the poster in the ground. I don't know how they're what they're sitting in or are you know?

2193
03:14:43,420 --> 03:14:49,720
Jason is that a live bearing wall the one that's in the center? Yes, and so that's the one that you're saying that

2194
03:14:50,400 --> 03:14:53,620
It's moving over a couple inches. Is that correct?

2195
03:14:55,220 --> 03:14:59,500
That's the one that you were talking about, it's the load bearing wall, that's plant.

2196
03:15:01,620 --> 03:15:31,160
And these are things that were mentioned, you know, a building official and then as well as the third party that went through and looked at the building. So wanted to kind of talk about what it means for a substandard designation to exist on a building. What that means is it could result in the building being demolished. If the owner doesn't address its current condition. So the city has some obligation when there's a building that poses a risk to the public.

2197
03:15:31,160 --> 03:15:32,560
look, we want to get it addressed.

2198
03:15:33,980 --> 03:15:40,440
It's not preferable for us to go in and address it by demoing it or trying to mitigate it somehow is much more

2199
03:15:40,440 --> 03:15:43,300
preferable for the owner to do what they're going to do, right?

2200
03:15:44,200 --> 03:15:45,920
Prepare the building, fix the building, whatever it might be.

2201
03:15:46,700 --> 03:15:53,000
We have worked extensively with the owner and we've discussed several mitigation measures or things they could potentially

2202
03:15:53,000 --> 03:15:56,100
do to the building in order to sort of fix the issues.

2203
03:15:57,220 --> 03:16:00,200
And we've been having this discussion, oh, I don't know,

2204
03:16:00,900 --> 03:16:03,900
probably pushing two years, 18 months, two years at this point.

2205
03:16:04,860 --> 03:16:06,360
And nothing has been implemented.

2206
03:16:07,120 --> 03:16:09,240
There was discussion about rehabilitation.

2207
03:16:10,000 --> 03:16:10,900
They were going to do that.

2208
03:16:11,060 --> 03:16:13,040
And then there was discussion about well, they were going to demo it.

2209
03:16:13,100 --> 03:16:14,980
And we kind of indicated what that process looks like.

2210
03:16:15,180 --> 03:16:19,520
And the things hadn't really progressed past for those discussions.

2211
03:16:22,450 --> 03:16:25,190
So council's role in this, according to municipal code,

2212
03:16:25,190 --> 03:16:33,190
is once the building official notices council or council's notice notified that the building

2213
03:16:33,190 --> 03:16:37,930
official has deemed it to be substandard, the city council shall evaluate the historic

2214
03:16:37,930 --> 03:16:42,030
and architectural merit of the structure and shall provide recommendations to the building

2215
03:16:42,030 --> 03:16:42,310
official.

2216
03:16:43,090 --> 03:16:46,890
So, you know, we're here today to sort of fulfill the aspect of it.

2217
03:16:47,050 --> 03:16:52,490
So, we're here to get council's comments as it relates to the historic and architectural

2218
03:16:52,490 --> 03:17:00,530
mayor of the structure and willing to hear any recommendations that that council may have and I'm we're also happy to answer any questions that council may have about the bill.

2219
03:17:05,240 --> 03:17:05,640
Council.

2220
03:17:07,200 --> 03:17:07,640
Questions.

2221
03:17:08,300 --> 03:17:14,320
Mr. Mayor if you remember we go back two years ago almost now on the subject when we originally brought the council and

2222
03:17:15,500 --> 03:17:24,900
the direction I believe at the council at times to kind of get with the property owner and try to figure out what was you know can it be the best course of action moving forward.

2223
03:17:25,880 --> 03:17:46,180
We are now almost two years later still in the exact same condition, although worsening and I know we've had, I know staff has had multiple contacts with the owner about whether or not he's going to refurbish it, tear it down, whatever.

2224
03:17:47,440 --> 03:17:54,580
I know I had a minimums to waters out of the morning and I asked him, I said, hey, you know, what's this, what's the value here?

2225
03:17:54,580 --> 03:17:57,540
I mean, it's an old building, it's been around a long time, but

2226
03:17:59,460 --> 03:18:03,960
I think we all know, looking at the pictures, I mean, this is a complete

2227
03:18:03,960 --> 03:18:04,480
tear down.

2228
03:18:07,500 --> 03:18:10,960
There's enough money or anybody would invest that kind of money to go in there and try.

2229
03:18:11,080 --> 03:18:15,340
I mean, even if you wanted to upgrade this building at the current condition, it would be just,

2230
03:18:15,820 --> 03:18:18,000
the cost would be exorbitant.

2231
03:18:19,100 --> 03:18:32,580
And again, I think some of the conversation with the owner about having to demolish and having him handle it and not get us involved in it.

2232
03:18:32,900 --> 03:18:35,340
We've kind of kicked this can down the road quite a while.

2233
03:18:35,340 --> 03:18:44,920
So, I mean, we've had a professional building inspector go in, represents the city, it's been declared substandard.

2234
03:18:45,600 --> 03:18:48,260
I don't want somebody to get hurt at that corner.

2235
03:18:48,440 --> 03:18:52,460
I don't want somebody, you know, that anything breaks off, falls somebody hits somebody.

2236
03:18:52,680 --> 03:18:56,820
I know it's not our property, but, you know, I mean, we need to do something with it.

2237
03:18:56,960 --> 03:19:02,020
So, I'm in favor of supporting Tom and his recommendation to declare the substandard.

2238
03:19:03,200 --> 03:19:11,600
and give the owner the opportunity to at least push it, you know, kind of like hey, we need a decision here what you're going to do.

2239
03:19:11,920 --> 03:19:20,200
You can, if you want to make the investment in the property that's fine if you want to, you know, have it demolished, that's fine too, but I think that's what we need to do.

2240
03:19:20,760 --> 03:19:21,380
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2241
03:19:22,580 --> 03:19:23,240
Anyone else?

2242
03:19:24,360 --> 03:19:37,380
Mr. Mayor, Jason, in the staff report, it stated that the builder had a concept for structure improvements.

2243
03:19:38,060 --> 03:19:49,380
Have they stated any current plans besides we have a concept and was there a timeline mentioned of the long term plans for this building?

2244
03:19:49,380 --> 03:19:53,040
I mean, what was their goal for this building?

2245
03:19:53,600 --> 03:19:57,440
So, they had received and they provided me with a quote that they've received.

2246
03:19:57,560 --> 03:20:05,360
I think it was maybe 2017 or 2019, I'm trying to recall from a local architectural firm that had provided them a quote with,

2247
03:20:05,380 --> 03:20:08,720
hey, if you want to fix these things, here's for the costs associated with it.

2248
03:20:10,980 --> 03:20:16,840
They obviously didn't pursue it back then during our discussions about what their future plans might be.

2249
03:20:16,840 --> 03:20:21,580
They brought this up and said, hey, I did get a quote, and maybe this is something you might pursue.

2250
03:20:22,100 --> 03:20:24,820
It didn't go as far as seeing any detailed plans or anything like that.

2251
03:20:24,880 --> 03:20:28,980
It was just a quote from a third party architectural and engineering firm.

2252
03:20:29,100 --> 03:20:34,200
There's a concept, but no action plan to move forward, no desire to.

2253
03:20:35,080 --> 03:20:36,420
Yeah, and there's been changes.

2254
03:20:37,120 --> 03:20:41,020
You know, at one point, the owner was, hey, intent to demolish it.

2255
03:20:41,120 --> 03:20:43,460
And then that said, well, maybe I can save it and I'm going to do this.

2256
03:20:43,460 --> 03:20:48,380
and then a more recent discussion was, no, maybe I'm going to demolish it.

2257
03:20:48,500 --> 03:20:51,240
So there hasn't been, nothing's really moved forward.

2258
03:20:51,380 --> 03:20:53,080
You know, there's been ideas, but nothing has proceeded.

2259
03:20:53,500 --> 03:20:55,220
And was the owner notified of this meeting?

2260
03:20:55,640 --> 03:20:56,420
They were, yes.

2261
03:20:56,700 --> 03:20:59,260
And they indicated that they were unable to make it tonight.

2262
03:21:02,630 --> 03:21:05,210
If something were done between the owner and the city,

2263
03:21:05,290 --> 03:21:07,410
if we're the owner, just said, you know what, just take it.

2264
03:21:07,650 --> 03:21:08,130
I don't want it.

2265
03:21:08,550 --> 03:21:10,330
I know it would become a headache for the city.

2266
03:21:10,470 --> 03:21:13,110
I know we'd have to take and it come down.

2267
03:21:13,110 --> 03:21:18,470
But what could you see as a usage of that property if it were vacant lot?

2268
03:21:18,890 --> 03:21:19,590
So what would you see?

2269
03:21:20,370 --> 03:21:27,170
If that were to happen, I think what the city would have to evaluate is what the cost to

2270
03:21:27,170 --> 03:21:32,690
the city would be, because if it is a tear down, for example, if that's the determination

2271
03:21:32,690 --> 03:21:37,770
that's made, there's a cost, and I think the staff report indicated it'll be over 100,000

2272
03:21:37,770 --> 03:21:38,150
for the city.

2273
03:21:38,390 --> 03:21:41,810
I mean, it will be north of 100,000, probably pushing 150.

2274
03:21:42,510 --> 03:21:48,750
We would have to look to see if there's a dirt lot left there after what's what's the value of that right?

2275
03:21:49,030 --> 03:21:55,210
You know, I think we the city would have to do its due diligence and its homework before even accepting it for free

2276
03:21:55,210 --> 03:21:57,610
The owner is sort of indicated that they're not

2277
03:21:58,330 --> 03:22:02,310
You know, they they intend to keep the property as I understand it. I've got a question for you

2278
03:22:02,810 --> 03:22:07,470
We've had all these businesses here and other homeowners here basically complaining about

2279
03:22:07,470 --> 03:22:11,370
different fines that they're getting from code enforcement. Are they getting fines?

2280
03:22:11,970 --> 03:22:17,570
They are getting fines and those fines are very high right now.

2281
03:22:20,270 --> 03:22:23,950
So yeah, in the tens of thousands.

2282
03:22:24,510 --> 03:22:24,790
Okay.

2283
03:22:29,980 --> 03:22:32,600
When was the last time you had any communication with them?

2284
03:22:33,100 --> 03:22:36,980
The owner emailed me on Monday.

2285
03:22:36,980 --> 03:22:44,920
I mean, what was there indicated that hope some resolution they hope to move forward with something?

2286
03:22:47,450 --> 03:22:51,630
They'd established any desire, what was their desired resolution to this?

2287
03:22:52,230 --> 03:22:53,950
It's changed multiple times.

2288
03:22:54,130 --> 03:23:02,210
I think the most recent thing they sort of indicated was there was a re-evaluated the building about what it would cost to tear it down.

2289
03:23:02,350 --> 03:23:06,010
The original quote that they got was no longer apple pole because it's enough times past.

2290
03:23:06,010 --> 03:23:10,790
They also think there's lead paint in the building, which ups the price of the demo.

2291
03:23:11,070 --> 03:23:14,130
And so it was more an indication of, hey, this is where I am now.

2292
03:23:14,590 --> 03:23:17,850
I'm looking at the demolition, but it's going to cost way more than I thought,

2293
03:23:17,850 --> 03:23:21,230
because there are other things that weren't considered in the original quote,

2294
03:23:21,410 --> 03:23:24,250
which is the quote that council has in their packet.

2295
03:23:24,670 --> 03:23:25,630
That was the last communication.

2296
03:23:25,790 --> 03:23:27,770
It was about that specifically.

2297
03:23:28,390 --> 03:23:30,470
But this individual is a developer as well.

2298
03:23:30,470 --> 03:23:37,830
I mean, he has the resources and the, you know, the ability to permit and demo this building on his own.

2299
03:23:38,110 --> 03:23:39,230
It's his property.

2300
03:23:39,670 --> 03:23:45,610
They've indicated that they do have the ability to demo the property, yes.

2301
03:23:47,230 --> 03:23:48,950
So have they considered that?

2302
03:23:49,490 --> 03:23:50,170
Mowing the property?

2303
03:23:50,650 --> 03:23:50,790
Yeah.

2304
03:23:50,990 --> 03:23:57,690
At one point, that was the avenue they indicated that they were going to pursue, but just didn't involve through it.

2305
03:23:57,690 --> 03:23:58,290
That

2306
03:24:01,490 --> 03:24:02,290
was one of the questions.

2307
03:24:03,730 --> 03:24:08,890
Should mention, if their intent is to initiate a demolition, there is a council process

2308
03:24:08,890 --> 03:24:11,630
associated with that that's separate from this process.

2309
03:24:16,920 --> 03:24:19,900
Yes, if there's any recommendations, you know, should make it clear that the building

2310
03:24:19,900 --> 03:24:25,040
official is the one who declares, or the building substandard, and that decision has been made.

2311
03:24:25,280 --> 03:24:29,400
I think what staff is seeking is if council has any input or advice on sort of how possibly

2312
03:24:29,400 --> 03:24:33,240
to proceed with the owner, or things that you may want us to consider before we proceed

2313
03:24:33,240 --> 03:24:33,660
with the owner.

2314
03:24:33,660 --> 03:24:34,460
I

2315
03:24:37,050 --> 03:24:40,310
think we've gone way long enough on this one.

2316
03:24:40,990 --> 03:24:44,930
I think we've got not only our city official that's declared it's a standard.

2317
03:24:44,930 --> 03:24:54,110
We've also had, there's also been another firm that has looked at it through the owner that basically said that the building is non salvageable.

2318
03:24:54,750 --> 03:25:00,090
Or if it was, the cost would be so outrageous, so it just isn't worth doing it.

2319
03:25:00,090 --> 03:25:09,590
So at least my position is to let's inform the owner that demo that building before something seriously happens we get somebody hurt a second that

2320
03:25:11,920 --> 03:25:32,340
right I agree I say yes I think staff's intent will be to immediately reach out to the owner probably establish some some deadlines and things like that I think our approach so council's clear is that they take care of they initiate the process I think is preferable for everyone for them to move forward with it and I think that's the route.

2321
03:25:32,340 --> 03:25:35,320
Now, we're going to go with some established deadlines on there.

2322
03:25:36,220 --> 03:25:37,700
So what's the timeframe on some like this?

2323
03:25:38,100 --> 03:25:41,660
I mean, we control the timeframe now?

2324
03:25:42,320 --> 03:25:44,980
We certainly can, you know, with a substandard designation,

2325
03:25:45,240 --> 03:25:49,660
that enables the city to initiate demolition if we wanted to.

2326
03:25:49,860 --> 03:25:53,700
And so we can certainly, you know, establish deadlines for the owner.

2327
03:25:53,880 --> 03:25:58,400
And if it doesn't proceed in a manner that is sort of acceptable,

2328
03:25:58,560 --> 03:26:00,060
the city can initiate our own process.

2329
03:26:00,060 --> 03:26:00,140
Yes.

2330
03:26:00,500 --> 03:26:04,140
And that's what I would ask the staff is we go forward to present to the owner and let

2331
03:26:04,140 --> 03:26:04,420
him know.

2332
03:26:04,560 --> 03:26:09,260
I mean, give him a reasonable, I mean, but I don't want to, I mean, me personally, I just

2333
03:26:09,260 --> 03:26:12,180
don't want to see it, wished out any further than it needs to be.

2334
03:26:13,760 --> 03:26:14,120
Understood?

2335
03:26:17,040 --> 03:26:17,260
Thank you.

2336
03:26:17,540 --> 03:26:17,660
Great.

2337
03:26:18,000 --> 03:26:18,140
Yes.

2338
03:26:19,680 --> 03:26:20,040
Great.

2339
03:26:20,480 --> 03:26:21,720
Thank you very much, Jason.

2340
03:26:24,870 --> 03:26:26,590
Moving on, item B.

2341
03:26:29,330 --> 03:26:33,810
Council consideration of the draft council expenditure policy and direction

2342
03:26:33,810 --> 03:26:35,730
from council as warranted.

2343
03:26:55,200 --> 03:26:56,380
Good evening, council.

2344
03:26:56,580 --> 03:26:57,700
Chris Tavarez here.

2345
03:26:58,700 --> 03:27:02,180
This item is being brought back to city council

2346
03:27:02,920 --> 03:27:06,520
after council's discussion on January 21st,

2347
03:27:07,000 --> 03:27:11,820
which is in follow-up to Senate Bill 329,

2348
03:27:11,940 --> 03:27:14,080
which became effective last year,

2349
03:27:14,840 --> 03:27:17,520
and which amended a section of government code,

2350
03:27:17,520 --> 03:27:20,120
which it would allow for the first city council member

2351
03:27:20,120 --> 03:27:22,620
pay cap increases in nearly four decades.

2352
03:27:23,360 --> 03:27:29,840
Ultimately, Council directed staff to revisit that item later this year.

2353
03:27:30,380 --> 03:27:37,160
However, as part of that direction too, it was asked to have staff come back and

2354
03:27:37,430 --> 03:27:42,020
bring to Council for consideration a Council expenditure policy.

2355
03:27:44,220 --> 03:27:49,060
So what this policy, draft policy would enable is for

2356
03:27:49,060 --> 03:27:54,720
council related activities to be reimbursed. It would apply to conferences, civic events,

2357
03:27:54,960 --> 03:28:02,200
approved meetings, public purposes must be served, community support or recognition.

2358
03:28:02,820 --> 03:28:08,720
It does, it would exclude political, religious, entertainment and gambling events and staff

2359
03:28:08,720 --> 03:28:17,120
would propose after council's last discussion a $2,000 discretionary light item per council

2360
03:28:17,120 --> 03:28:22,600
member. There would be oversight by the city manager and mayor for month non-budgeted

2361
03:28:22,600 --> 03:28:29,700
items. And then really if there was anything questionable, both of those positions would

2362
03:28:29,700 --> 03:28:32,460
need to approve those expenditures or reimbursements.

2363
03:28:37,920 --> 03:28:42,160
So this policy would support council attending

2364
03:28:42,160 --> 03:28:50,540
meaningful events for the community on behalf of the city. And again, it provides that reimbursement

2365
03:28:50,540 --> 03:28:57,360
which otherwise may not be available now through other Council approved budget items throughout

2366
03:28:57,360 --> 03:28:58,440
other departments.

2367
03:28:58,720 --> 03:29:05,280
So this would be, the budget would be housed in the City Council or or division as you

2368
03:29:05,280 --> 03:29:06,060
look through the budget.

2369
03:29:06,560 --> 03:29:14,420
There would be a specific line item for each Council member there, total of 10,000 per

2370
03:29:14,420 --> 03:29:15,340
Council member.

2371
03:29:16,900 --> 03:29:22,760
After legal review, this does align with state law and the public's interest.

2372
03:29:25,180 --> 03:29:31,820
So just to recap there, what would be eligible, civic and community nonprofit events, recognition

2373
03:29:31,820 --> 03:29:37,060
of local achievements, and promotion of public and nonprofit facilities.

2374
03:29:37,660 --> 03:29:42,680
And again, not eligible would be political and religious events, events for individuals

2375
03:29:42,680 --> 03:29:46,860
or specific teams, or entertainment, sports, or gambling events.

2376
03:29:52,370 --> 03:29:57,590
So use of these funds would be up to each council member, so...

2377
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:16,800
District A could be different than council C throughout the year. It would be up to what the interest of each specific council member is in regards to the community and how to benefit the community by being engaged in that activity.

2378
03:30:16,800 --> 03:30:36,500
Department heads would be able to prove service-related sponsorships through their own areas of oversight and again council approved budgets, so there is the potential for other reimbursements there, but those are probably more delicate.

2379
03:30:36,960 --> 03:30:44,500
These what we're talking about with the draft expenditure policy would be establishing that $2,000 line item per district for discretionary use.

2380
03:30:46,480 --> 03:30:53,760
The draft policy does say non-budgeted expenditures would require city manager approval and it also does have in there the mayor as well.

2381
03:30:54,860 --> 03:30:57,420
Reembursements would be processed through the city manager's office.

2382
03:30:57,820 --> 03:31:10,940
So if a council person went to the event, they would pay up front and then submit that claim for reimbursement through the city manager's office and then a check would be cut to the council member.

2383
03:31:11,860 --> 03:31:21,700
each check run is usually within two weeks so it might be up to two weeks before you get your money back but your money back would be forthcoming very soon.

2384
03:31:25,280 --> 03:31:31,380
At this time would open it up for council discussion and direction on how to proceed.

2385
03:31:32,040 --> 03:31:40,480
I will add in that staff would be ready to add this into budget discussion for the next council meeting.

2386
03:31:40,480 --> 03:31:44,320
just depending on the outcome of the discussion and direction tonight.

2387
03:31:47,590 --> 03:31:48,010
I'm cool.

2388
03:31:49,070 --> 03:31:50,570
I'll start off, Mr. Mayor.

2389
03:31:50,750 --> 03:31:51,350
I'll be brief.

2390
03:31:52,710 --> 03:31:54,610
Thanks for putting it together.

2391
03:31:55,530 --> 03:31:59,550
Where I stand, I just, I don't see a need for this personally.

2392
03:32:00,210 --> 03:32:03,510
I think the way things that are, you know,

2393
03:32:04,130 --> 03:32:07,270
if the city were to sponsor a table at an event,

2394
03:32:07,870 --> 03:32:09,930
Council was invited, that's already covered.

2395
03:32:09,930 --> 03:32:15,270
I just don't know that we need to have an expense limit for things like that.

2396
03:32:15,410 --> 03:32:21,790
I mean, if it's something that we want to go, you can make the recommendation through the city manager currently to get approval for something like that.

2397
03:32:22,470 --> 03:32:37,990
So, I just don't see, I just think there's too many opportunities here when you start talking about events and individuals and teams, and you know, and then you start crossing lines with nonprofits, and I'm in opposition of this.

2398
03:32:37,990 --> 03:32:39,770
That's all, that's only common I have to make.

2399
03:32:42,690 --> 03:32:48,840
I agree, I agree, I feel like if there's something

2400
03:32:48,840 --> 03:32:50,820
that I want to go to and everything, I can think of what might.

2401
03:32:54,740 --> 03:32:59,860
It's $2,000 that we're talking about, is that different

2402
03:32:59,860 --> 03:33:02,860
than what we pay for League of Cities, ICSE?

2403
03:33:03,820 --> 03:33:07,260
Where is that the same, is I think currently right now

2404
03:33:07,260 --> 03:33:10,620
we are at $2,000 for the conferences that we go to?

2405
03:33:10,620 --> 03:33:13,980
Is this an additional to be an addition?

2406
03:33:16,490 --> 03:33:32,630
I mean if we go if we go to one of those events and everything else something like that where we go out of town and everything else our expenses are somewhat covered for that and I'm fine with that because that's something that we have to do but to take and go to things here locally I don't I don't agree.

2407
03:33:32,630 --> 03:33:33,470
I

2408
03:33:45,340 --> 03:33:49,460
think having council presence is very important in community events.

2409
03:33:50,780 --> 03:33:57,800
Some can afford, some cannot afford the number, the amount, but as I just want some clarification

2410
03:33:57,800 --> 03:34:06,480
that there's something that we could already request from the city manager to get a reimbursement

2411
03:34:06,480 --> 03:34:12,660
on something or where does that come out of our current $2,000 for our conferences.

2412
03:34:12,660 --> 03:34:14,940
if we ask for a reimbursement?

2413
03:34:15,160 --> 03:34:16,960
That would be the primary area.

2414
03:34:17,580 --> 03:34:26,200
It is possible to, if there's an event related to perhaps a make up something on the fly

2415
03:34:26,200 --> 03:34:31,800
here, public works conference, that might be in Russ's department's budget.

2416
03:34:32,520 --> 03:34:34,240
There would be the possibility there.

2417
03:34:34,420 --> 03:34:39,960
That's what the policy and the staff report refers to, something like that.

2418
03:34:39,960 --> 03:34:51,590
Yeah, so there could be the possibility, but those line items aren't necessarily specifically made for additional purposes.

2419
03:34:52,890 --> 03:34:58,210
So it's possible, but not it'll be there type of thing.

2420
03:34:59,210 --> 03:35:08,850
I could see us as a council putting this as like, yeah, the two additional thousand dollars, I don't think is necessary.

2421
03:35:08,850 --> 03:35:25,850
I could see it being $500 or something like where we have instead of like our what we have for conferences increasing it to $2,500 or to $3,000 because of cost playing, you know, rent a car, yes, mileage, all of that stuff.

2422
03:35:26,390 --> 03:35:36,750
I know, Mr. Councilman Kairos and myself are on the state policy committee where we either go up the night before or travel that morning of but the city is renting us cars.

2423
03:35:36,750 --> 03:35:41,670
with their reimbursing us for food and all of that stuff.

2424
03:35:41,930 --> 03:35:51,230
So I could see it maybe that increasing up to possibly like $2,500 or $2,750 and within that budget right there,

2425
03:35:51,530 --> 03:35:55,750
if we want to seek out a reimbursement for something, it would be.

2426
03:35:55,850 --> 03:35:58,710
But I don't see us doing each of us doing that.

2427
03:35:59,070 --> 03:36:05,990
If we were talking about money being tied, I don't see us like allocating $10,000 for us just to,

2428
03:36:05,990 --> 03:36:10,170
to, we're all council members just to go to events.

2429
03:36:10,590 --> 03:36:11,930
I think we could be measured.

2430
03:36:12,610 --> 03:36:17,110
And if it's just, we increased that 2000 up to 25 or 27, 50,

2431
03:36:17,690 --> 03:36:19,870
I would be in favor of something like that.

2432
03:36:23,540 --> 03:36:25,220
Is that something we want to bring back?

2433
03:36:27,840 --> 03:36:29,380
Can you give me the amount, perhaps?

2434
03:36:32,290 --> 03:36:34,490
It's a mirror I think that's separate from what we're talking

2435
03:36:34,490 --> 03:36:36,870
about here, they're looking for a direct run

2436
03:36:36,870 --> 03:36:40,770
to the policy draft or the proposed policy draft

2437
03:36:44,310 --> 03:37:06,190
I would say let's drop the $2,000 and put it at $500 instead of $2,000, put it each for 500 for anything that we have during the course of the year that we may seek an reimbursement, or we could also use that $500 towards some sort of conference that we were wanting to go to.

2438
03:37:06,190 --> 03:37:06,810
out

2439
03:37:11,740 --> 03:37:41,100
in my two cents. I think I know where Travis is, well, like the way I see it is this. If I think what Travis is trying to, and don't let me speak for you, but as a council member, he's saying it's nice to be able to go to places, and that might not be, and we, and when in fair and equitable society, we can't assume that a council member has X amount of money to do these things. So he's saying it would be nice if they could come back and get reimbursed so that they could, I feel

2440
03:37:41,100 --> 03:37:46,580
are you saying in essence, really fulfill their full council duties by going to social events

2441
03:37:46,580 --> 03:37:54,300
within the community that fit these top eligible parameters, not the not eligible? So I see where

2442
03:37:54,300 --> 03:37:58,820
you're going with this and I do think that that matters and I do think it does matter that

2443
03:37:59,420 --> 03:38:06,860
the way our political system continues to run that it is equitable and that cost is not prohibitive,

2444
03:38:06,860 --> 03:38:11,960
For instance, so I can I see where you're going with it.

2445
03:38:11,960 --> 03:38:18,180
And there's some events that I personally turned down because I wasn't going to you know wasn't able to put $150.

2446
03:38:18,880 --> 03:38:20,480
You know, and I was just like well.

2447
03:38:20,940 --> 03:38:28,960
And I hear that and I see that and I think that's a very valid point and I don't think so I can see the need for that.

2448
03:38:29,000 --> 03:38:36,440
And I think also at the same time if the money's there, I had a one-on-one with Jason this morning since Mario's gone.

2449
03:38:36,440 --> 03:38:42,940
And I ask the question where does that money go if it's unused and it just goes back into the pot?

2450
03:38:43,560 --> 03:38:52,800
So, you know, just because let's say we increase it to $2,500 just speaks to $2,500 is there per council member does not mean that we will be taking it and

2451
03:38:52,800 --> 03:38:58,980
personally not asking for reimbursements because it's too much trouble and I don't need it and I feel like that's a way I can

2452
03:38:58,980 --> 03:39:09,740
get back to the city. But I don't want anybody else up here, a fellow council member, to feel like they can't go to something, there's that just doesn't feel real good.

2453
03:39:10,060 --> 03:39:28,060
So I think that that option should be there. And I think it's up to, you know, people can make their decisions in and there. But I think if we're talking on a policy level, I think it's, and I've said this before, I think it's important to think not just of ourselves and our own financial situations, but of others.

2454
03:39:28,060 --> 03:39:35,200
and it just seems to me that it would be nice if we allowed a little extra wiggle room.

2455
03:39:36,000 --> 03:39:38,100
I don't know, that's my due sense.

2456
03:39:40,270 --> 03:39:46,990
So I have a question, is that like 2,000 or 25 or 2,750 per year per person?

2457
03:39:46,990 --> 03:39:48,390
Per fiscal year, correct.

2458
03:39:49,370 --> 03:39:56,430
It's currently it is at 2,000 for legal cities, you know, whatever conferences that we go to.

2459
03:39:56,830 --> 03:39:58,610
And that's mainly for the conferences.

2460
03:39:58,610 --> 03:40:02,590
And like legacies is included out of that $2000.

2461
03:40:02,870 --> 03:40:03,150
Correct.

2462
03:40:04,210 --> 03:40:04,670
That's expected out of that.

2463
03:40:05,090 --> 03:40:10,950
Yeah, what's being proposed would be in addition and have more council member discretion

2464
03:40:10,950 --> 03:40:11,990
where it's used.

2465
03:40:12,330 --> 03:40:14,050
You said it would be in addition to that?

2466
03:40:14,370 --> 03:40:14,550
Correct.

2467
03:40:16,940 --> 03:40:17,940
And that's where it came up.

2468
03:40:17,940 --> 03:40:23,760
Instead of dropping it from the $2000 drop it down to $500, let's see how that goes.

2469
03:40:24,240 --> 03:40:27,800
Let's see how much is being used.

2470
03:40:27,800 --> 03:40:33,500
because I know that we have an all-used all of our current $2,000 each for

2471
03:40:33,500 --> 03:40:35,980
conferences and stuff like that and so.

2472
03:40:38,730 --> 03:40:40,590
Well it's in a right now the way I mean

2473
03:40:41,030 --> 03:40:44,270
everybody's different so like Mark and I are going to League of Cities next week

2474
03:40:44,270 --> 03:40:48,670
so that's you know we're doing that you guys aren't but you guys might like

2475
03:40:48,670 --> 03:40:54,530
everybody's gonna spend their money differently as my point and that's okay.

2476
03:40:57,480 --> 03:41:02,960
Okay, I'm talking to any other comments.

2477
03:41:03,560 --> 03:41:05,860
Are we just providing direction or we need to vote?

2478
03:41:06,720 --> 03:41:13,460
Direction is fine and like I mentioned, staff could include that in the upcoming budget review.

2479
03:41:17,840 --> 03:41:23,760
Is there any objection of increasing, just dropping our decrease in from 2,500 to 500?

2480
03:41:26,810 --> 03:41:30,850
Because I honestly didn't know that we, until right now, seen up here.

2481
03:41:30,850 --> 03:41:33,030
I didn't know that this was already in place.

2482
03:41:33,250 --> 03:41:38,570
I didn't know that you could seek a reimbursement for one of the eligible items on there.

2483
03:41:38,730 --> 03:41:40,450
I thought so that was my misunderstanding.

2484
03:41:40,910 --> 03:41:46,610
I thought that so I agree that your increase of 500 seems a lot more feasible than a 2000.

2485
03:41:47,570 --> 03:41:49,170
Because did you know that we had?

2486
03:41:49,450 --> 03:41:51,290
I knew that we already had our 2000.

2487
03:41:51,470 --> 03:41:58,310
That was the reason for my questioning was is this 2000 in addition to the 2000 we currently?

2488
03:41:58,310 --> 03:42:05,530
I'm glad you clarified that because I yeah, and the current is for travel for conferences. Yes, Mr. Mayor

2489
03:42:05,530 --> 03:42:08,590
It's 9 p.m. I'm just gonna request counsel to extend 10 minutes

2490
03:42:09,110 --> 03:42:14,630
In council. I agree. Okay, okay, okay, so

2491
03:42:15,730 --> 03:42:19,210
We gave mr. Mars direction 500

2492
03:42:19,930 --> 03:42:22,270
Okay, thank you very much

2493
03:42:25,050 --> 03:42:27,970
Okay, moving on council reports

2494
03:42:27,970 --> 03:42:42,290
It's brief information only reports from City Council and or staff including committee reports and report by City Council related to meetings attended at City's expense any comments, councils.

2495
03:42:42,790 --> 03:42:46,370
Mr. Mayor fellow council members and particularly councilwoman Regan.

2496
03:42:47,250 --> 03:42:50,870
I wish to take a brief moment to address some of my actions during our last council meeting.

2497
03:42:51,650 --> 03:42:57,130
The professionalism I displayed as a hampered City Council member should at all times be above reproach.

2498
03:42:57,130 --> 03:43:04,150
Having self-reflected over the last two weeks I should have conducted myself better during the open dialogue with council and moving forward

2499
03:43:04,150 --> 03:43:11,190
I'll be mindful of my comments to show respect to each and every council member city staff and the residents of this great city. Thank you.

2500
03:43:11,190 --> 03:43:15,130
Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Thank you. Anyone else?

2501
03:43:18,930 --> 03:43:22,530
We'll move on to future agenda items, yes sir.

2502
03:43:22,530 --> 03:43:52,510
All right, I just would like to, on May 1st, will be the 25th anniversary of the Thursday night market, and I approached, I believe, Mario at the time wanting to present them with a certificate, but I also think that coming forward and looking at our Council of Handbook, I think that we could, but there are 25 years of service like to update it to upgraded to a proclamation of sorts for what they have done for our downtown.

2503
03:43:52,510 --> 03:43:58,650
down businesses and everything, and I would like to see if I could get gathered council's

2504
03:43:58,650 --> 03:44:05,910
consensus, but also invite the council and we can all be there on May 1st to present

2505
03:44:05,910 --> 03:44:09,690
that to the third-stant Michelle Brown and the third-stant Mark.

2506
03:44:09,830 --> 03:44:15,350
I would like to take and see if we can take, and I think I can probably locate him, Craig

2507
03:44:15,350 --> 03:44:17,150
Charten, and see if we could get him to come.

2508
03:44:17,830 --> 03:44:19,290
And could you, I'm not familiar with-

2509
03:44:19,290 --> 03:44:21,450
Craig Charten is the first person that started Main Street.

2510
03:44:21,450 --> 03:44:22,770
Well, that'd be wonderful too.

2511
03:44:24,290 --> 03:44:30,090
And I know Supervisor Robinson was on the first ward of Main Street, Hamford and Instrumental

2512
03:44:30,090 --> 03:44:35,970
and so maybe, you know, I don't know, expanding this, but I just wanted to seek out Council's

2513
03:44:36,830 --> 03:44:42,550
consensus if we could do a proclamation on that and then we can notify, I'll notify or

2514
03:44:42,550 --> 03:44:44,770
we'll notify the City Clerk and we can add done.

2515
03:44:45,310 --> 03:44:53,590
Okay, I would like to take and see if on a very near close to today, the first as fast as

2516
03:44:53,590 --> 03:44:58,650
it could get put on the agenda, I can see if we can take and revisit the flags.

2517
03:45:00,020 --> 03:45:29,240
The feather flags, because I have been approached by about eight to ten different business owners this week or in the last two weeks that have that basically feel that the feather flags do help them generate business. And my attitude is, if it helps them, even if it's just a perceived brings business to them, we need to take and support our businesses because they support us. And if it helps them bring in revenue,

2518
03:45:29,240 --> 03:45:33,980
it helps spring in tax dollars and we have got to be more business-friendly, okay?

2519
03:45:34,620 --> 03:45:39,220
And then I would like if we could take and find some way to where our code

2520
03:45:39,220 --> 03:45:46,400
enforcement department is somehow we've got to take and be more community

2521
03:45:46,400 --> 03:45:50,300
friendly to where it's not people don't feel like they're being attacked because

2522
03:45:50,300 --> 03:45:55,100
it seems like every single meeting we've got people coming here upset because of

2523
03:45:55,100 --> 03:45:58,400
it. And I know that they're just doing their job but one way or the other we've

2524
03:45:58,400 --> 03:46:01,400
I just got to take and find a way to all get along.

2525
03:46:03,810 --> 03:46:07,630
Do we have a consensus?

2526
03:46:10,080 --> 03:46:15,500
Also, I'd like to garner a consensus on our landscape assessment districts and looking

2527
03:46:15,500 --> 03:46:22,020
at those districts that have the money for upgrades, for improvements that are necessary,

2528
03:46:22,700 --> 03:46:31,060
but also look at some sort of criteria for when developers build a neighborhood park that

2529
03:46:31,060 --> 03:46:35,980
there's certain establishments. There's a lot of our neighborhood parks that do not have lights.

2530
03:46:36,840 --> 03:46:37,820
So there's no

2531
03:46:40,280 --> 03:46:45,180
ability for people to, they have walking paths, but they can't walk at night because there's no lighting.

2532
03:46:45,720 --> 03:46:49,940
They don't, you know, it's the safe lighting. I think there's, there's rusted water faucets.

2533
03:46:50,140 --> 03:46:56,820
There's broken. We don't have anything put in place for the playground equipment and the

2534
03:46:56,820 --> 03:47:01,960
to re the upgrades or the new playground equipment.

2535
03:47:02,180 --> 03:47:05,360
And so establishing that and garnering consensus

2536
03:47:05,360 --> 03:47:07,380
to just have that conversation

2537
03:47:07,380 --> 03:47:09,520
and see what we need from staff.

2538
03:47:09,520 --> 03:47:12,760
And I see our calendar goes all the way back through August.

2539
03:47:13,040 --> 03:47:17,840
So I know that we are going through in June or July, Brad

2540
03:47:18,640 --> 03:47:23,820
with Will Dan and the levying and everything that goes on,

2541
03:47:23,820 --> 03:47:30,410
Whether we have time to get that done beforehand so that can do you know something of that nature so I'm that's

2542
03:47:31,540 --> 03:47:36,840
A future agenda item one one thing I'd like to say really fast are you Denise?

2543
03:47:37,720 --> 03:47:37,960
okay

2544
03:47:38,680 --> 03:47:45,460
I drove by her property okay and looked at it and she does have a substantial amount of concrete in the front okay

2545
03:47:46,180 --> 03:47:52,540
But she did it to be courteous to our other neighbors and in all of most of the brand new neighborhoods

2546
03:47:53,080 --> 03:47:58,660
They're taking and focusing on hardscaping and whenever they're doing hardscaping it means that they don't have a lot of grass.

2547
03:47:59,300 --> 03:48:07,680
I don't know if there's a way that we could take and have it to where maybe her concrete in the yard got stained or if there's a way to take and do it to where

2548
03:48:08,300 --> 03:48:16,160
because it is hardscaping. It means that she's using less water in her yard and I think that there should be a way to take and look at it.

2549
03:48:16,160 --> 03:48:23,420
If we could take in possibly work with her instead of spending at least a couple of thousand dollars to rip out all that concrete.

2550
03:48:28,130 --> 03:48:49,850
I just I just want to remind council that you know we're coming into budget and I know we want things like on the agenda right now, but I mean if you look at the next couple months of what is going to be on the agenda and what you know I mean I'm all for started meeting earlier or whatever to get though you know for you guys want some additional stuff.

2551
03:48:49,850 --> 03:48:54,910
done, but I just think we just have to really be aware that some of the items that we're looking

2552
03:48:54,910 --> 03:49:00,950
for, maybe to the expedite, just probably or may not happen to laughter July when the budget

2553
03:49:00,950 --> 03:49:01,250
is done.

2554
03:49:01,270 --> 03:49:07,130
And that's what I suggested, but we're just giving it on the future agenda, because I know

2555
03:49:07,130 --> 03:49:13,670
our last one is August 5th, and so if it's any time, it would definitely be after budget.

2556
03:49:13,830 --> 03:49:19,470
So that's where I'm garnering consensus for the landscape assessment district is with

2557
03:49:19,470 --> 03:49:24,910
respect to staff and what we're dealing with budget, but I also know that our contract

2558
03:49:25,550 --> 03:49:32,070
or the landscape assessment districts is usually in the last and June in first or second

2559
03:49:32,070 --> 03:49:32,970
week in July.

2560
03:49:33,870 --> 03:49:36,090
And that's when it comes to support you out there, Mr. Priceman.

2561
03:49:37,130 --> 03:49:37,270
Okay.

2562
03:49:37,910 --> 03:49:38,450
Anything else?

2563
03:49:38,630 --> 03:49:39,790
In fact, two fastings.

2564
03:49:40,390 --> 03:49:43,590
Jason, I'm asking you, okay, and possibly tie.

2565
03:49:43,590 --> 03:50:13,110
Is there any way possible that we could take and put a hold until we can go back to the business owners with the flags to where temporarily we could give them a pause and allow them to have the flags up and them not continue to be fine and the same thing with the concrete situation is their way that that could be held and give her time for us to take and go back and reconsider it before she rips it out because in that in that call to sector she lives there's no parking already.

2566
03:50:13,770 --> 03:50:16,730
And she did that to take and be courteous in everything to her neighbors.

2567
03:50:18,630 --> 03:50:27,410
Yeah, so I guess I'll indicate so, you know, code enforcement is enforcing the municipal code as adopted by city council, right?

2568
03:50:27,970 --> 03:50:29,490
So we'll start there.

2569
03:50:30,930 --> 03:50:37,830
As far as putting a hold on that, you know, a lot of the complaints they receive are, a lot of the enforcement is a complaint based.

2570
03:50:37,830 --> 03:50:40,630
So it's an individual calling about something they see

2571
03:50:40,630 --> 03:50:41,390
or concerned about.

2572
03:50:41,990 --> 03:50:47,250
Is the request that they don't pursue certain things

2573
03:50:47,250 --> 03:50:51,410
or is the request that ones that are already in the process

2574
03:50:52,130 --> 03:50:55,110
are no longer, because as I understand,

2575
03:50:55,370 --> 03:50:57,590
no one's received, at least in the flag,

2576
03:50:57,710 --> 03:51:00,290
zones received like a citation or anything like that.

2577
03:51:00,570 --> 03:51:01,730
Have you received a citation?

2578
03:51:07,820 --> 03:51:10,300
So are they still allowed to have them there or not?

2579
03:51:10,300 --> 03:51:16,380
They were notified of the municipal code and were asked to remove it so I understand that's where it was left.

2580
03:51:16,660 --> 03:51:22,080
If they were just annexed into the city and they've been using them for 31 years, can they continue using them?

2581
03:51:22,220 --> 03:51:24,940
Just same thing as if you had a cow. You could keep having a cow.

2582
03:51:26,780 --> 03:51:33,620
I don't think it would apply for temporary signs. I would have to think a little bit about it.

2583
03:51:33,620 --> 03:51:37,720
That's a good tie question, but I would think temporary signs since they're not permanent in nature

2584
03:51:37,720 --> 03:51:39,940
and it's not permanent used to get moved back and forth.

2585
03:51:40,660 --> 03:51:45,460
My gut would save that, you know, the grandfather wouldn't apply in that case,

2586
03:51:45,500 --> 03:51:47,300
but I would have to think a little bit about that.

2587
03:51:49,170 --> 03:51:54,110
Is there, I mean, I'm just thinking right now, like those businesses that have the A-frame signs,

2588
03:51:54,610 --> 03:52:00,430
that they put them out, like in the sidewalk in downtown and then they remove them at night,

2589
03:52:00,430 --> 03:52:08,470
is that signage similar to these feather flags signage that is advertising their

2590
03:52:08,470 --> 03:52:13,150
business and what they sell and there is there a commonality that it's okay to

2591
03:52:13,150 --> 03:52:18,110
have an a-frame sign that's opposed to a feather flag sign. So there are, depending

2592
03:52:18,110 --> 03:52:20,570
on the city, every city has different rules. There are some cities that treat

2593
03:52:20,570 --> 03:52:24,970
temporary signs regardless of the type the same whether that being a frame or a

2594
03:52:24,970 --> 03:52:35,010
flag, usually the requirements are strict number, strict usage, strict time frame, those

2595
03:52:35,010 --> 03:52:35,530
type of things.

2596
03:52:36,150 --> 03:52:39,370
I mean, there's no one rule for any of these things.

2597
03:52:39,750 --> 03:52:42,530
It's bannum, some allow them, some restrict them, right?

2598
03:52:42,710 --> 03:52:48,410
And so I think the intent, at least the staff's approach for that future agenda item is we'll

2599
03:52:48,410 --> 03:52:53,070
talk broadly about how reinforcement operates and talk more specifically about the feather

2600
03:52:53,070 --> 03:52:53,890
fat flag thing.

2601
03:52:53,890 --> 03:53:00,010
So because I could understand I'm just on the similar or the correlation between those

2602
03:53:00,010 --> 03:53:04,750
a frame signs that advertise a business they're removable, but there are feather flags in

2603
03:53:04,750 --> 03:53:10,830
this city that they stay up 24 seven, you know, and then there's feather flags that it

2604
03:53:10,830 --> 03:53:17,510
taken down every single single day and is there a combination, you know, something that do

2605
03:53:17,510 --> 03:53:22,630
we need to add something like that to the ordinance or go through that process and revisit it.

2606
03:53:22,630 --> 03:53:26,190
Those are just thoughts and so whenever we bring it back up. That's I'm just

2607
03:53:26,190 --> 03:53:31,130
Yeah, just what's going on through my head right now. I think staff's intent would be to present to council

2608
03:53:32,130 --> 03:53:36,710
Multi-alternative based on the others have done. Yeah, so

2609
03:53:38,110 --> 03:53:41,550
Clarification purposes are they allowed to have them right now or not so

2610
03:53:42,050 --> 03:53:46,150
Proud of municipal code. They're in violation of the municipal code as

2611
03:53:47,650 --> 03:53:50,530
Adopted now whether or not how that

2612
03:53:50,530 --> 03:54:18,750
That procedure works as far as when citations are issued and stuff like that there's some there's more flexibility in there with staff working with them, but you know staff doesn't have the ability to say this is no longer I mean this code violation right in regards to the grandfather to enter not grandfathered in okay we don't know whether this the supplies are not in regards to the grandfathered in and if they've been doing it for 31 years that we as a council voted.

2613
03:54:18,750 --> 03:54:25,250
I didn't. I didn't. It was before it was. I were here. I think it was in January of this year, but I couldn't.

2614
03:54:25,330 --> 03:54:34,430
In January of this year. In January of this year. And we all voted to approve. And I believe it was 5.0. That we all voted to approve the ordinance with the feather flag.

2615
03:54:34,910 --> 03:54:35,790
It must have been.

2616
03:54:37,980 --> 03:54:46,280
Oh, that's it. Okay. So it went 4.0 with one absence. Okay. Well, then I definitely want to go back and change it.

2617
03:54:49,220 --> 03:54:55,800
If I voted just for it, it gives me the right to take and go back and bring it back up so we can take and change it.

2618
03:54:55,900 --> 03:54:59,800
We'll have to go through the whole process all over again on the ordinance process.

2619
03:55:00,160 --> 03:55:00,320
Okay.

2620
03:55:00,860 --> 03:55:03,120
But until then it's my understanding.

2621
03:55:03,120 --> 03:55:11,980
I mean, those businesses are under the new ordinance that we all, minus Councilman House,

2622
03:55:12,520 --> 03:55:13,500
we all agree upon.

2623
03:55:13,720 --> 03:55:15,800
Is that in my understanding what you're saying?

2624
03:55:16,220 --> 03:55:21,540
Yeah, it is in the municipal code and code enforcement enforces the municipal code as written.

2625
03:55:22,560 --> 03:55:24,120
And grandfather didn't, doesn't matter.

2626
03:55:24,420 --> 03:55:25,700
I don't know if it would apply in this case.

2627
03:55:26,420 --> 03:55:27,440
Can you find that out?

2628
03:55:28,100 --> 03:55:29,380
Yeah, I can do some research, I think.

2629
03:55:29,380 --> 03:55:33,520
Okay, so does that mean they can continue finding the flag until you make that

2630
03:55:33,520 --> 03:55:41,420
the municipal code? No, until it is revisited until it is revisited and you know

2631
03:55:41,420 --> 03:55:45,080
if there's a new adoption process that changes it then council can undergo that

2632
03:55:45,080 --> 03:55:45,680
process.

2633
03:55:47,760 --> 03:55:53,020
All right council. We're wearing a green light there. Well we'll wait for

2634
03:55:53,020 --> 03:55:57,440
your input and to see if that could be grandfathered in that's just my

2635
03:55:57,440 --> 03:56:04,020
thought and then once we know that we can notify businesses and if we have

2636
03:56:04,020 --> 03:56:08,220
consensus to start the process all over on this it'd be a little bit more

2637
03:56:08,220 --> 03:56:12,540
detailed and refined on that ordinance then we'll move forward with that that's

2638
03:56:12,540 --> 03:56:16,460
just my big sense okay are you good yeah

2639
03:56:20,560 --> 03:56:33,020
as quickly as quickly as I can I'll have

2640
03:56:33,760 --> 03:56:40,780
I am 15, the next city council meeting will be May the 6th of December during the meeting.

2641
03:56:41,320 --> 03:56:42,580
Thank you very much for coming.