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is this meeting real or is it
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both yes it's good old AI right I'm
getting tired of it on every doesn't

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matter what social media or everything
the I know everything you have to click

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you have to a lot of times I have to ask
my kids like is this real is this not

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real like you want to know the weirdest
line AI now knows everything there's

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nothing on the internet it doesn't know
it knows everything yeah and it wants to

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respond to everything I think when when
I lose my own intelligence and I can't

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respond on my own I'll call on you but
until then I don't need you popping up

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an AI is such a like with my mom's
eulogy I my sister sent me a copy of

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hery that she thought she's used and uh
so then I thought well iuse it for my

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reaches and I Wordsmith it right yeah it
is scary how all the information you

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give it and then what you get back from
it is just bizarre how accurate it is

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and it's
yeah well I got a devilment issue check

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like the Alber government yeah last
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letter in the mail saying that it was
account check with from my bank account

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so went down to the bank you know what's
going on you know saying well there's

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nothing we can do about it but the way
it is so i ph it was from AG i ph a

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yesterday been probably three hours on
the phone with they said well it's it's

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a legit check like it's you know this
all this AI it'd be nothing to counter

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check that is unbelievable that's how
scary it actually is is yeah it's

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bizarre well and it just like muddling
with your bank accounts I hope mine gets

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richer yeah it's doing anything maybe I
can AI I need money the bank took the

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money back wow that is it was a
counterfeit check or it was a real

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that's as far as they concerned that's
all the that's as far as they'll go with

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they won't do no more research or
nothing on so but it's so yeah and it's

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how scary as you know if you look at
things Bank Canada orders and they can

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be fake and it's
just think something from government you

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should be legit and should be good you
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your anyway we'll call the order at
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presented all in favor public
presentations sh Martha no not

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today uh public presentations none
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uh yeah I didn't get a chance to write a
report this time they just busy going to

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meetings but one of the things me and
Thomas from harbis Sky we've had several

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meetings this week discussing that
housing uh project that was began maybe

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before I started where there was going
to be three Partners so we had meetings

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with the school board about maybe they
provide that land where the old school

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is that SP can know so they said they're
willing to do that but they want to

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have two resident homes for teachers
there so if there's any development

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that's their goal they want homes for
teachers um so we talked to special

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areas and they're still interested in
taking part of it too so Thomas and I

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have a lot of ground work to do and then
once we have more we'll bring that back

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to council what we're up to so yeah I
had several meetings on night so I

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didn't get much time to write much else
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you had
your so what's the School Division want

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to return for that land uh they had to
take it to the province first but they

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said it would be a very low to try to
you know I know in another places they

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sound for like a dollar or like $1,000
they sell it very cheap so

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um we'd have to see what they come up
with right and then there's a value to

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that land I think they said it was
115,000 I think they added the that

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so uh I guess if they donate that they'd
want something back towards the building

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of of the homes right they'd want that
as their contribution to to the two

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homes that they
want but we're we're very early days I'm

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figuring this
side just for clarification though right

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now the town of Hannah is doing the
maintenance on that property yeah we are

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mowing we're looking after the sidewalks
we're doing all the meeting as far as

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I'm aware we do it all yeah
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for the last three years then or four
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longer yeah that's worth discussing and
pointing that out

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to I just think the equivalence of you
know time put in in our energies and

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what has gone into that property
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yeah have another request regarding
where they they bought that property

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where they keep the the bosses they keep
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and I guess it's been discussed before
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Sewer so uh eventually that will make
its way back yeah they never actually

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come back with any
requests discussions and there's

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potential but they've
never not to us it'd be nice to see it

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on there D um I also um I have a
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stuff was there a decision then or had
it gone out to tend for for any of the

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um housing Partners I think that's where
it stalled previously was when it was

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decided to go to Tender for it but uh so
it was a good idea but I I think it just

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stalled there and I think we you know we
can get it going I think before the plan

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was to build big homes and I think if
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money the only grant money that we're
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afford yeah with the short
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for next
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quite sure princess
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nothing any other questions in

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Matthew we got a B officer yet yes
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this myi
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canal she'd be 25 if she got her 911
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that she she didn't want was that it is
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thing and she's b a little bit so she
good that's so she's a former local that

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perfect Community yeah uh business
items Mr Matthew okay so I think you all

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know that I'm AB mun has asked me to
present on some AI stuff at the upcoming

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conference I thought I'd give you guys
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of how we use AI so I'll start with
because you probably all heard a chat

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GPT where you can go in there and just
ask it questions and it will answer

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questions but if you look on the the
screen there there's one we created this

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it's called tavan resources so we've
trained this part of

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AI just on our bylaws and policies but
we've not put everything in yet because

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it's kind of time consum so all it knows
it doesn't know anything else other than

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the bylaws and policies that we FedEd so
it would be a resource if we had a

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question specifically regarding the L
bylaw or dog license fees whatever

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information we feed it or policies
that's all it will answer it won't

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answer anything else on the internet
because it doesn't know it just knows

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our stuff but um it can only learn from
readable PDFs and a lot of oural bylaws

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and policies they in scan PDF so we have
to start converting them to readable PDF

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so that you can read them and so if you
had a question about I can't remember

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which BW we put in there but we
definitely put like the animal and the L

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if you had a question I could type it in
and you could see how it

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works so speaking Animal Control how
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to close solar facility he not learn
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it only knows what is

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in how about what what pets require a
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a license

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just sing
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you I know I
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especially you know if they come to the
front Des not fully up to speed with all

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our B you could just type it in and ask
says how to build the fence it will

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answer that question for and the more we
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learn I was going to say it's only as
good as yeah and and now it's only I

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think there's like five bylaws that I
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like I think it's got one old fireworks
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there so how do you prevent it from
picking up any other data like all the

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other AI applications in the world so we
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that's in the settings there's an option
to block it from going out onto the

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other random
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up I was teaching it our but I left it
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our stuff and mixing it up with others
so I turned that off to know that's all

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we know just can we allow like could we
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internet except for our website for
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and not that that's the best thing
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inaccuracies is we also I also put the
MGA in it so if you had a question about

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the MGA you would ask it also quot Su
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through your V all the time and find
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is a terribly consuming book
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because I could search in the PDF but
this takes it to the next step makes it

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easier that whatever you're looking for
like know do you have an MGA question on

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the pressing MGA question Define
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interest conflict or
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like what did I spell it doesn't like
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but you can ask it
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summarize

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it so again whatever we teach it it's
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about chat GPT is if you ever get
attachments in an email and it's a PDF

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that's 20 pages long you I don't want to
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it to this and ask you to summarize it
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the 20 Page app that we've been sent can
you scan it into this or it all if you

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look down here at the bottom see that
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attach files there and then whatever you
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say different of Fes yeah there's a scan
like when you scan on a photo and it's

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just a picture of it it won't read them
you have to you know when you save a

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Word document to PDF it was those are
readable so our new copy your do has

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that built in now that when you scan it
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versions not as good as this it's
questionable sometimes it it doesn't

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keep all the words in it misses words it
doesn't understand so scans are tricky

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yeah so it's it's better when you go
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PVF um
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teaching it I think would be a good tool
for all staff to use that so they have

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that information available so I have a
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to it who's actually just putting
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source one Outlet one person or is it a
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me and you s
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ret yeah okay yeah like I to do this
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account not the account that I use but I
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resources I can just view it and use it
but I can edit change

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it so this one here
notebook if you've listened to the

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podcast this is where
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feed it information with Google dogs
Google Slides a website YouTube or you

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can paste your own text in there so I
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website but uh we try

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it is there a is there a disclosure to
stating like if you're getting it off of

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internet um the source and such because
not everything on the internet is yeah

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well when we upload these to YouTube
YouTube knows it's AI created so it also

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puts that tag on okay but when L writes
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so people are aware so it's gathered
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then when you click

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generate T like minute or so this is
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podcast and what we do is we take like
staff reports and any events that are

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coming up and we feed that into there
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podcast
of just a different option of keeping

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residen in for long and it's it's not
it's not over time consuming because

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it's the
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any mistakes I guess that's the biggest
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well that's the thing with the um with
the AI in general it's only as good is

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the information to provide to it I know
like I said speeches stuff you still

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have to do a lot of work smithing
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it I know we took this chat box AI uh
course at the last CF conference I was

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at it was like a 4our um teaching from a
young man that was teaching it but wow

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like you can go any it doesn't like I
can tell it today like I want to go to

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such and such a place it will give me
every detail from here to then to there

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where I can stop what I can do what I
can eat what I can drink and and it was

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very accurate it's it was almost scary
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know I mean use it for anything yeah and
these are early days like these are very

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watch Terminator like what you right
know but seriously there's they're doing

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this because it's so exciting and it's
doing it's fun and you can hire not as

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educated people because this will fix
your spelling errors but at the end of

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the day just even yesterday they had an
article that they're starting to

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self-replicate already this is just make
sure you protect the data and the the

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structure of the town because as
exciting as this is we have no

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idea if it gets corrupted the damage
that can be caused because everything's

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connected yeah and all the stuff that we
fed it is public information we've not

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yeah that's the key thing we've not fed
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website or Is a public document there
have been different um audio like

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podcast or audio text audio AIS that
we've tested and they're pretty robotic

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we found this one to be pretty accurate
and when when you listen to it and you

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um think about it being a robot speaking
and the inflection in the words and when

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they take a breath and it's it's pretty
darn realistic which um makes it fun but

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you're right Sandra it's it's fun and
it's going to be like Facebook I

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remember my Facebook account when I
first started I was so excited I could

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connect with my cousins and see what
their kids were doing and everybody was

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you know posting that and now it's so
much negativity so it's only a matter of

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time before the world figures out and
they already have they'll always be a

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step ahead of the rest of us how to
negatively use well

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and got these people that seem to hack
into everything to um manipulate yeah

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that's usually on that that's usually on
the user it's not the people that hack

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because they're getting in because
because you're allowing well that's what

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I mean yeah so that you know as far as
the security systems and stuff to

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protect your inte and such so all that's
working on that this is like when I

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first got into AI it was because of like
making images this was years

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ago that this one will create images for
you so I just typed in make a

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promotional poster for the turn of
Hannah there settings here

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of what size you would like to make it
you you can import again I put very

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basic things in you but the more
information you give it the more it will

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give you what you

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want and that's under the Ln no this is
a different website called adoram

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there's lots of AI
generation pictures but uh this one does

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really good with text like early days of
AI they struggle with tax if you saw

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early images of AI they struggle with
hands and fingers it used to be like 10

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fingers on
Chan so just by that simple text it's

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even got our website it's obviously
search the

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web pictures are quite
accurate but again I didn't beat at any

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other information I just said make a
promotional post for's a Hannah in the

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states too probably it's interesting
though on that first one with the URL

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that it that it P it knew that you
wanted our website but it's also

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branding it the way that we were
previous to our branding so it's some

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found that somehow like on in the all
capital

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letters that's old with the www now we
have all lowercase and it's just hannah.

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CA all lowercase previously it was with
the www and the all cap so that's really

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interesting to me that it's pulling out
from somewhere find the right place for

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using this I think we've only used this
for the graphic on the the podcast I

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don't think we've used on
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website what I did with the podcast one
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then I said make it like the couple are
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with background with cow grazing blah
blah blah I got a few red cows had to

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refine it some more ran out of free
credits change the colors of their

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shirts yeah they kind of limit you on on
stuff like this like I think they give

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be 10 credits every day so so what is
the cost then we've just been using the

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free versions except for the chat GPT
can't do what we've been doing with it

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without P but if you wanted to little
icon top right to that co-pilot is

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pretty powerful as well it's Microsoft
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it it because we don't there's an unpaid
and a paid yeah there's like six

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different we're not ready so I give it
this website from our this page from our

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website and I it's created a podcast
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website Welcome to our Deep dive today
minut we're gonna be taking a look at

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the town of Hannah Alberta okay and you
might be surprised to

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learn we're doing it all through their
official website now I know what you're

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thinking government websites yeah how
exciting can that

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be this one is full of some uh
interesting bits okay for starters yeah

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did you know they allow Urban chickens
in hannahb

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chickens detail it's just that they're
open to blending rural and urban living

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in a way that a lot of towns wouldn't
consider

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trting their mayor Danny pu okay posts
these updates that are more engaging

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than your typical Town announcements but
before we get into those maybe we can

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start the bigger picture sure what's the
scope of a municipal government like

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Anna so Municipal governments are the
level of government closest to

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you things that impact your daily life
in a very direct way the

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garbage water roads par even things like
libraries oh so the things we often take

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for granted exactly and looking at
Hannah's website yeah they do cover a

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wide range of those Services utilities
permits Community programs

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business support it's all there okay
they even have a whole section on their

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Pioneer Village Museum interesting which
hints at you know a rich local history

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yeah what's interesting is how us a
glimpse into priorities they're clearly

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promoting a sense of community and
connection to their history but they're

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also focused on providing those you know
really practical services for residents

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right speaking of practical Services
let's dive into mayor poi's message from

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me
about taxes all right he starts off with

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some good news despite Rising costs the
municipal tax rate is actually going

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down oh for both residents and
businesses okay but there's a catch

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there's always a catch of taxes there of
course if your property value went up

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significantly yeah you might still end
up paying more in taxes overall right

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the mayor explains it as a balancing act
they managed to keep the total tax

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revenue increase under 3%
okay compared to the previous year

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that's a common tight rope block for
local governments trying to balance

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those necessary services with
affordability great so it's very

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conversational interesting thing like
the one that we just posted it add some

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inces in it so I had to put it in
another program edit that bit out and

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then upload it up so we can't just turn
it out and make it public you just can't

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kick it but yeah so we you know I pulled
out about 20 seconds with con but it's

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very conversational unless you knew it
was AI you it was real two real people

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chatting away it's the same as the ones
that are are seen in the actual video

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it's the same voices right yeah you
can't change devices and they say maybe

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in the future you can try We'll add more
things where we can just go in and

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change the test adding an English
accent maybe get

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is the long-term goal of AI so that we
don't have to have people in place we're

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going to have we don't have to have this
building we don't have to have this

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structure we
canob is learning how to prompt properly

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that's it's like you know like right
some people say this is like a cheat

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using AI but I think if you go back 30
years or 40 years when people went from

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doing our finances year and they were
doing them on paper right and then Excel

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came along probably people thought
that's a cheap you get an Excel to do

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all these calculations for you and
before that people used an abacus and

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they probably thought a calculator was
cheating so like

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technology important that you know we
ride that way and we well the other

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interesting thing with AI is it takes
emotion out of the takes emotion and

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human almost out of that so if Matthew
is replying to a

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um unic property I put tically speaking
he can actually go in and it takes out

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all the emotion out of it and it's just
a very generic statement almost for I

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train to be nice so whenever you give it
something it's it's going to be nice

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then you would have to edit it depending
on wanted to be with it be very

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sarcastic
yeah they they can do that given if you

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put the right prompts in it can change
its personality if response you just

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have to know the right prompts to give
it do that so as this is taking time

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away from staff then it's just a matter
of trying to find other things for the

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staff to do like they could be doing
more on whatever um that had not yeah I

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think there's always stuff for staff to
do right it makes them more efficient

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and it us especially in communicating
with could you imagine if when on and L

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had to sit down and create a podcast on
their own a real one how much

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that would take them to do and I'm not
going ruction I'm just saying that it

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would give them more opportunities to
get more like do more stuff it would

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save time if they had to respond like an
angry resident that they had to craft

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the know sometimes you have to bite your
tongue when you're you're replying right

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so resolve that issue for you right so
oh yeah those are the I guess the main

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things that we use AI for like
the setting up that knowledge base so it

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can answer
questions the podcast and a little bit

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for the images not

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much it's cool and it's scary all in
one yeah and there's new things now that

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I've seen videos off where you can give
it a

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task and you can watch it research on
the internet and gather information and

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it will open up Excel and create an
Excel document for you and so there's

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it's it's moving rapidly and well I
guess that's the thing is if you're if

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you're not involved in it now in the
development phase uh you know you're

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going to be left so far behind yeah if
it does become something that is

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competitive your business and and such
well even the technology like with this

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deep seek that got kicked off on Monday
whatever it was um is knock the crap out

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of
the the American version of AI and and

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it's just it's a far cheaper version of
it so it's I mean it's it's evolving

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continuously like I can't remember what
the number was it was like4 billion doll

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hit to the US economy when deep seek
launched their version of AI and uh I

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mean it's
just and then there was a report last

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night

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um through necessity because the um
creators in the states wouldn't share

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some of the information with the Chinese
people and so through necessity Chinese

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people come up and built their own
version of it and it appears to be

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better and cheaper so it's interesting
how it evolves I mean and that's in a

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matter of what three four months

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any more questions on AI we
lost just ask them

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if I think uh for myself I think it's a
it's a great thing I think it's

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something we need to carry on uh
cautiously and and not dive into it head

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first and get get into the bottom of the
barrel before we uh get there so yeah

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one of the things I've been working on
is because I've seen that in the states

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there's a few m IP alties they using and
I think Adon as well where they've

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created an AI policy for the
municipality so I've looked what kind of

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stuff they put in there and nav units
say a a section on their website if

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you're going to create a policy this is
what you should put in it so I'll

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probably bring that to next council
meeting um that we have an official and

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it's it's just what I said earlier that
no no non-public information is used um

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that we knowledge if we put anything out
there that it is AI generated like the

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podcast or even if we use an image on
Facebook we would say this is AI

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generator that's standard basically for
anything that you take off of somebody

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else's you reference it or it's in the
copy yeah we just don't want to mislead

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people you

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knowk next uh disposition of the 2006
wheelchair called

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handy yeah I think you all know we got
that new handy and and the old one uh in

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the past I guess it was uh those
donations towards the old one so we just

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wanted to see what council's thoughts
were if if we should pass that on if

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someone donated to us there might be a
smaller municipality or a you know

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a user group that is a need of something
that we could donate it to them just to

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you know pass it
along so um I have a just this thought

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um and somebody else did mention this
too um and I'm not sure how this works

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but they're around Hannah bus that
wascal the local Loop yeah um that's

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privately owned right is that is that
correct it's your yeah it's my best so

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would that would that be something we
could use for that to support

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that it could be used for
there the loop is only on a

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Wednesday but this town needs a every
day the town won't subsidize anything

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and you can't afford the insurance youd
have to charge $45 a trip to across

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town and you wouldn't have no customers
so you can't

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your hands

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are tax you know and basically all
you're doing is doing

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C so because there is um measures in
place to do um the hand Loop can those

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measures not
be um

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instated um on a broader range on more
days and use that and use that other bus

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that we have because we have it and
how's the insurance for

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that insurance insurance the town would
have to have the insurance because I

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mean you can't afford the insurance
that's but the town's not paying the

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insurance on the local Loop bu so
somehow that's obviously generating a

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profit and somehow the loop is operating
so how

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almost entire it's just a a trial basis
for 18

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months and uh if it grows or that you
it's being utilized then it'll continue

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on but the the insurance that you have
on your vehicle that you're using on the

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Wednesdays is not taxi insurance it's uh
yes it is $7,900 a year w

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cheap and to do a
van like a like a

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Paran it's 48 was 4800 years well we
looked at it years ago yeah it was

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almost 6,000 bucks when I just chose a
15y old put that insurance that vehicle

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on their insurance policy probably for
$100 a year you know or 200 whatever

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mean any driver at any
time if it's not used as a like right

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now the handyman
is just over $5,000 more Insurance in

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the

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year there won't be much

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different I don't know what excuse me I
just had this thought that because it

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was in our possession already and we
have this particular entity happening

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maybe we could expand upon it with with
the resources we had so I wasn't sure

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how that all it could utilized that way
like I mean you know that that's a good

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spot and then what they could do is they
could they' have to hire somebody or

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whatever from 8 in the morning
till see that's the other thing a cab

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you don't really need from 8 to 5 a lot
of people don't they like

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at 3:00 morning you know but
so that's a different clientele right oh

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yeah the on dur the
day medical necessity right groceries

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the people who have real trouble getting
around in the evening people is it

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completely different that's the I'll
work on tips that'll work just fine

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because it's a different mindset right
and a different economic how does Uber

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work does they have to pay the same kind
of insurance or is that covers it

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U we were too small to get attention for
Community right

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but there's the few those left yeah the
happy

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Drive could utilize that maybe somehow
if we had

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some
Drive yeah I don't know if the vehicle

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is the issue this drive I would imagine
it people it's the people yeah

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the drivers yeah well in the same thing
if we were to to re use that V then we

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get into licensing as far as the
driver he LIC a taxi then we have to

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have class four comtable yeah and uh so
then you're you're very limited as you

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can operate Drive the vehicle um as
providing a public service and it would

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never you would never pay for so you
know like I mean that's why they're not

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private
business insurance up and everything

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else

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insur well I guess what u a local
entrepreneur would have to do is present

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a proposal to the
town uh requesting assistance for

422
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:59,560
subsidies and bring it to us let us talk
about it I guess would have been four

423
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:06,599
years ago now we did that just just
didn't AR proposals

424
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:11,040
and and with the idea that yes if you
want something I mean ask for it if it's

425
00:40:08,839 --> 00:40:16,359
$3,000 a year just straight up and they
have this plan for people pay for there

426
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:20,079
nothing it just it's so expensive and as
much as it's needed it's not a high

427
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:25,160
quantity of
need when your time you start your

428
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:29,240
vehicle half an hour before you go pick
the person up you burn more fuel than

429
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:34,680
you make absolutely I never mind
covering Wagers or anything you know

430
00:40:31,319 --> 00:40:39,720
they can wear and tear on a vehicle you
know stopping starting stopping going

431
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:44,040
they're not cleaning one well I
shouldn't say some people aren very

432
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:48,560
courteous towards the vehicle either so
yeah I know in Bonnyville because you I

433
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:54,800
was up there for a month it's a $10
flock rate anywhere within Town

434
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:59,000
limits and uh talk of course they got
two or three different cabs that we talk

435
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:04,599
to and they're struggling up there well
same thing they've got

436
00:41:00,359 --> 00:41:10,079
two 7500 people and a very large rural
draw as well and uh tried the two

437
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:15,400
different C companies for this reason
and it's they said it's doesn't even pay

438
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:19,400
like the one guy said he's he's a lease
operator to the one cab company and he's

439
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:24,079
he's I'm done he said I thought there
was all kinds of money in this there's

440
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:28,119
nothing so what we did in no point years
ago with our Ambulance Service and this

441
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:32,680
could fall along the same Lin
was um the ambulance service no point

442
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:37,200
was struggling we didn't have enough
volume for them to keep going it private

443
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:44,520
individual running it and what we did
there was Fred come down and said okay I

444
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:49,480
need $28,000 a month to break he that's
with insurance and drivers and standby

445
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:55,560
and so on and so forth and what he ended
up doing for the town of el point was

446
00:41:52,000 --> 00:42:00,599
basically showing us his books and based
on a 3mon cycle

447
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:05,000
if he was hypothetically speaking he was
25,000 well we give him 3,000 for that

448
00:42:02,839 --> 00:42:09,079
month and the next month if he was
22,000 we have CAU up 6,000 and so on

449
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:14,400
and so forth but in that three Monon
cycle if he made money then he also paid

450
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:19,040
it back so I don't know is that
something similar what you looked at K

451
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:23,400
years we looked at anything everything
of people and there was a couple that

452
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:30,440
command just through 80 ideas yeah and
it's just so expensive and when you're a

453
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:36,040
ride every three days it's pretty tough
to turn a profit unless you're G to

454
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:46,280
charge 250 bucks yeah which of course is
see like the the longterm care and the

455
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:53,079
lodge they have a handy bus each and the
the lodge also has a caravan that they

456
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:58,960
charge $10 a trip for any resid that
wants to use it but

457
00:42:57,359 --> 00:43:03,760
staff I don't
think you

458
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:12,280
know is willing or however you want to
say it to maybe do this you

459
00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:16,480
know well maybe In fairness Council call
they probably don't have somebody

460
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:21,160
designated to do that they don't so
therefore you're pulling somebody from

461
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:26,520
the kitchen or from housekeeping or well
no they

462
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:33,240
have Department that to drive the home
and whatever and then and I think like

463
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:38,800
the Caravan I'm sure anybody
there it's I remember when I worked at

464
00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:45,720
the hospital I used their little handy
bus or R more than you know prob we did

465
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:51,520
in ambulance but no the shovel at the
lodge will sit there for

466
00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:57,920
luns they you know they don't utilize it
like I've had requests to take them to a

467
00:43:54,079 --> 00:44:06,400
casino or to a plate like din theater in
the RO whatever you know but you're not

468
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:06,400
supposed to solicit at the lodge so I

469
00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:18,960
don't you know like the little handy
bus I think kept in town and should be

470
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:23,800
utilized but how do you do it who's
going to R it who's going to do it you

471
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:32,359
know just maintaining the the insurance
on it you know is cost as

472
00:44:28,359 --> 00:44:32,359
well you know whole idea of

473
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:43,240
replacing 15 I can't remember what Brent
said I think Brent had I don't even

474
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:49,440
think it was that much just yeah with
the lift and everything and I was

475
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:53,400
thinking it just a ramp yeah yeah I
think Brent said that have like a

476
00:44:51,359 --> 00:44:57,640
two-year lifespan like he didn't think
it was going to last much longer than

477
00:44:54,720 --> 00:45:03,520
two years
see then that's no one does it have to

478
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:08,839
be inspected restraints have to be
inspected I even if we did that Serv

479
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:12,200
maybe after two years we'd have to if
that vehicle's run it

480
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:18,240
slide
updated of replacing

481
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,640
that would that be useful for the hand a
senior

482
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,880
Circle they don't really

483
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:43,440
no because uh a lot of times we
family

484
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:48,800
yeah so my personal opinion is that we
you know Pay It Forward maybe at a to a

485
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:55,400
community that needs it I'm not sure who
will do the assessment of of me person L

486
00:45:53,240 --> 00:46:01,839
but I don't think we need to add more
vehicles to our things that aren going

487
00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:08,480
to be Ed but I think it'd be um remiss
of us not to um offer it to local first

488
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:14,000
I mean I don't I don't know who local
but I think you know first and foremost

489
00:46:10,359 --> 00:46:18,240
I think um we should offer it to a local
even if a local organization decides

490
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:24,160
they do want to use it or utilize it I
think um it was donated I think it would

491
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:28,400
be upon us to to an organization not
individual yeah like a nonprofit yeah

492
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,400
yeah that's easy to put it out there I
think Michelle would have contacts I

493
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:34,920
think she would be a good person to put
that

494
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:38,760
out yeah and just see you know if there
is somebody out there within the

495
00:46:36,319 --> 00:46:42,520
community I mean we I I don't know if
anybody and I'm not hearing of anybody

496
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:48,559
around the table but that doesn't mean
that there isn't somebody out

497
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:54,319
there sles is the one that got the local
Loop yes yeah the town you know there's

498
00:46:52,000 --> 00:47:01,400
quite a few that's sponsoring it and
whatever so um

499
00:46:58,839 --> 00:47:07,960
Char's involved with
that you know I think that that would

500
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:13,760
probably be the stronger point to go
to that would be one of her conts one of

501
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:17,960
her many conts so yeah just put it out
there and if anybody's interested they

502
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:24,960
just come home and then at least you've
got you know you've made the initial

503
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:32,440
contact for anybody that might be
interested see what comes in and take it

504
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:32,440
from there bring that back to council

505
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:48,599
couple propose solar farm and related
upates fun

506
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:53,000
stuff um so again um this is just to get
feedback from C what they going to do we

507
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:58,839
also have that you seen that letter from
Janine she's looking for information

508
00:47:54,920 --> 00:48:04,079
from Council to to provide addresses of
uh properties that they on that are

509
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:08,720
within that boundary or family members
um she's concerned that if we don't

510
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:15,000
acknowledge where there could be a
conflict that when we go to the hearing

511
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:18,400
that could uh backfire on us so she
wants to make sure that nothing happens

512
00:48:17,319 --> 00:48:26,119
that's going
to impede our our cause at the Au so

513
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:31,359
identifying where maybe current members
may have a

514
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:37,119
is is what she wants to do um the other
is you know addressing if if C wants to

515
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:45,800
go ahead with changing the land use
bylaw and yeah those are two big

516
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:52,599
topics so you're saying that I have to
read this room yeah me too not not at

517
00:48:49,799 --> 00:48:57,119
the discretion level actually if if you
read

518
00:48:53,520 --> 00:49:01,000
to no discussion on no discussion
because then I will be privy to

519
00:48:59,559 --> 00:49:06,880
privileged
information that may not be available to

520
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:14,720
me so well and all of this is based on
perceived you know whether there is um a

521
00:49:10,319 --> 00:49:20,200
pecuniary interest or not um we do own
land we bought it in in May of

522
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:25,760
2011 and
so you know the fact that it hasn't been

523
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:31,240
developed to this point you know really
we're probably looking at losing money

524
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:37,160
on it should we do anything with it but
this is perceived you know I was voted

525
00:49:33,799 --> 00:49:43,240
as a counselor into this position to
reflect the the word of the the

526
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:49,079
residents and have we not heard from you
know the the development on the the west

527
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:55,359
side of of of our town are we not
learning anything as to what you know

528
00:49:52,280 --> 00:50:00,880
so we're trying to do something and
we're supposedly at risk of being

529
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:09,359
perceived to um do something or have
something that that is not there like

530
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:15,200
prove that we would be benefiting from
but the the municipal government Act is

531
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:20,720
the other thing we swore to that we will
abide by the municipal government act

532
00:50:17,839 --> 00:50:26,079
which clearly states I read I realized
so because of that to protect you

533
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:28,880
actually yeah I realized that well it's
a conf

534
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:33,599
and that's and that's like that's why
we're paying Janine a lot of money to to

535
00:50:31,799 --> 00:50:37,200
look out for our interest to you know to
fight this and look out for her interest

536
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:40,559
if she doesn't want anything coming up
that's going to look badly on us that

537
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:44,920
you know that there's a conf and that's
why she wants that information because

538
00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:49,640
she wants to have assessments uh done on
the properties that counselor close

539
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:53,400
counselor family members have and and
see what kind of impact and she said it

540
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:58,200
might come back that there's no impact
um but she has to do her work and that's

541
00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:03,240
what we've we've hired to do is to
provide the experts to look out for our

542
00:51:00,359 --> 00:51:09,680
best interest and and to fight this and
is what she's doing so um so I believe

543
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:16,400
that is why when it was asked whether or
not we wanted to form a group or have

544
00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:22,359
the CAO um work on behalf that is where
I had chose so that I was not involved

545
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:27,520
in that sort of thing and um if we were
to have everyone that may have a

546
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:34,119
perceived pecuniary interest leave the
room will we have Forum to vote on

547
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:38,480
anything probably not yeah I don't have
all your detail so I think there would

548
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:44,160
still be a few
that like three of

549
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:51,319
us we don't
have so I guess just the definition even

550
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:55,839
with that whole pecuniary interest it it
requires you know financial interest or

551
00:51:53,359 --> 00:52:00,799
investment but my understanding in the
governance level is you are allowed to

552
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:06,160
be at the table for the discussion it's
the voting power when it comes to the

553
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:11,040
voting you can be at the table or the
discussion be included in the discussion

554
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:16,040
but you can't have you have to recuse
yourself in the voting position at that

555
00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:22,520
and it's like anything not if it's in
Clos session because that's privileged

556
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:29,240
information and nobody with a pecuniary
interest perceived can be involved in

557
00:52:26,119 --> 00:52:36,480
privilege information so that's how I
read it so a close what s so what so in

558
00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:41,480
camera yes I know what a CL but I'm just
saying so when are we making decisions

559
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:47,559
in a closed session we don't you're not
you're you're getting information that's

560
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:52,559
not wory to anybody outside the room so
we're saying what our lawyers are are

561
00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:59,040
are um providing for
us we cannot I I shouldn't be in the

562
00:52:55,839 --> 00:53:04,000
room I I will recuse myself whatever
people do they can do whatever they want

563
00:53:00,799 --> 00:53:10,640
I will recuse myself because the
municipal government act states that I

564
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:16,520
have to and whether or not I was elected
That's the Law And if I don't abide by

565
00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:22,520
the law then you shouldn't be here so I
will be accusing myself yeah and I'll be

566
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:26,599
excusing accusing myself as well
generally elected official who has a

567
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:29,240
Peary interest cannot participate in
discussions on that topic according to

568
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:35,359
the
m this is

569
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:40,040
Matthew's been asking I read it
yeah so but that's that's how I

570
00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:45,920
interpret it so I won't I think Janine's
biggest thing is if u c you may have a

571
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:52,480
perceived conflict of interests with
their land go ahead and vote on amending

572
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:56,640
the land use by law which it seems that
they're doing to protect their personal

573
00:53:54,440 --> 00:54:01,000
interest and not the interest of the
municipality that that's Janine's take

574
00:53:58,359 --> 00:54:04,799
on it and that may be the take of take
of a that may be the take of pay so

575
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:10,240
she's trying to protect us from being
put in that

576
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:15,280
position of not that they're finding
something that f is on and she wants us

577
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:21,599
to come clean with our with our best
bite and to have it used against us and

578
00:54:18,839 --> 00:54:25,520
yeah to say that we'll or the couns have
financial interest involved and they

579
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:29,480
voted to change the land use Barm well
well we don't what financial gain are

580
00:54:27,799 --> 00:54:34,480
they going I mean when I look at the
financial interest or

581
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:39,040
Investments that in
itself yeah it' be interesting to see

582
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:43,960
what their financial gain is and who is
claiming this do they have access to our

583
00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:50,040
information
like anyways yeah I would be

584
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:57,000
reusing my husband and I purchased land
um at May of 2011 and it is directly

585
00:54:53,799 --> 00:55:02,640
across from from Grant and and at the
time

586
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:07,240
um it's been sitting and we're using it
because it's an open space with future

587
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:13,200
plan so I will be recusing myself from
any any further discussion and then the

588
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:22,720
onus is on everybody
else well I was elected for the People

589
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:27,640
by right if I can't express my opinion
sign I'll leave the room and I'll leave

590
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:30,760
for good I just
want I

591
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:42,200
mean I think made it clear what their
stand is it's no power two people

592
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:46,720
there's no power but what we pay J need
to do like that's that's our best thing

593
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:51,200
we're pay we're not paying some backst
Street lawyer we're paying one of the

594
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:55,079
best of representing vales in the
province you know we've got them on our

595
00:55:53,559 --> 00:55:58,960
side fighting our
Cas right

596
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:04,280
does she have for track history what
other community has

597
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:08,039
she served or what is
she she's been on like I can't remember

598
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:12,359
the name of the municipality but she
worked for the municipality but they

599
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:16,839
wanted the the thing there was so she
made everything run smoothly that all

600
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:22,480
their commitments were were met that
that time wanted so and and I think this

601
00:56:20,359 --> 00:56:27,720
is her key area that she works that she
doesn't work in different kinds of legal

602
00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:32,280
but you know she was senior legal person
yeah so you know for for specific

603
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:38,039
background you know you know Council
directs staff

604
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:44,640
to engage with legal Health to do this
and we've got the best and they've

605
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:49,200
recruited engineers and experts to to BU
our cause and I think what she said at

606
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:56,880
that last meeting we have a really good
case you know fight it yeah with what

607
00:56:53,400 --> 00:57:00,240
she that land B amendment when several
communties have the exact same

608
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:10,280
thing the MGA says that you see over
ride whatever I we can day through the

609
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:14,359
the pleasure of doing all that again
which I think he enjoyed the last time

610
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:19,520
to do I
enjo enjoy but like we can put all that

611
00:57:17,319 --> 00:57:25,319
work and eff into doing it we can do it
but a will we not interested in it yeah

612
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:33,319
yeah the whole thing is they'll look at
it is why wasn't it there

613
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:33,319
before because we' never dealt we never

614
00:57:33,359 --> 00:57:39,839
experience why there was no land use B
Amendment before there was anybody

615
00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:46,760
building houses either yeah but this is
what they'll look at

616
00:57:41,799 --> 00:57:51,240
is yeah or being proactive maybe but
anyways

617
00:57:48,599 --> 00:57:56,240
um so that can be moved by a motion if
somebody brings that motion to the table

618
00:57:54,000 --> 00:58:04,720
um
we won't be able session

619
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,720
session we can bring stuff back

620
00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:15,760
to so then I have another question with
a motion such as that if

621
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:25,119
um if how many six
counselors and three have to recu

622
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:30,960
themselves from the voting power of such
a motion you have through left at the

623
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:35,000
table and so we still it would be the
best out of three then right those that

624
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:40,880
are able your is you're not considered
in that I so but you were the the only

625
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:47,319
one that voted in favor of this correct
so just the fact of

626
00:58:45,319 --> 00:58:51,000
perception it's still a decision of
council I supp a decision of council it

627
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:56,240
is definitely decision yeah you
certainly never said anything otherwise

628
00:58:53,559 --> 00:59:01,799
I we're entitled we're all entitled to
our our feelings and our opinions um but

629
00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:07,280
the decision of council was to go ahead
with this process and we've done that

630
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:11,720
that's I have done nothing other than
support the decision of

631
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:14,160
counsel so I don't know what what you're
looking

632
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:24,000
for it is actually our fiduciary duty if
a motion is passed that is our fiduciary

633
00:59:19,799 --> 00:59:31,280
duty to um present ourselves in position
to support the motion that has passed so

634
00:59:28,039 --> 00:59:37,720
that if if there's any motions that are
made outside of that

635
00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:43,039
um we can feel a think or say whatever
we want but if the motion is passed then

636
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:47,440
it is absolutely 100% our fiduciary duty
to support those misss even if we don't

637
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:53,559
support them we still have support but
if we're getting a consultation

638
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:58,599
or you know I'm saying the other side as
well if we're getting instructions from

639
00:59:56,039 --> 01:00:08,359
a strong recommendation from the lawyer
that that we are um have

640
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,359
retained to perhaps

641
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:15,720
wait
then it's kind of like a slap in their

642
01:00:13,839 --> 01:00:22,359
face when they're doing their best to
represent us in in their

643
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:26,079
experience with this situation so I
don't know what to do

644
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:35,039
I guess like I'm not an expert for
sure

645
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:45,319
obviously I I think I will just leave it
to the

646
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:51,200
CEO's decision to on
behalf like maybe before everyone leaves

647
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:59,960
today we can get those addresses of
properties you're within that meter yeah

648
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:03,960
so we can get that
J she already has mine she anced it all

649
01:01:02,599 --> 01:01:07,760
over
there SC s

650
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:21,480
times and this list does Define exactly
I went through every single on name and

651
01:01:19,039 --> 01:01:26,920
I could probably tell you exactly who
who has to withdraw and who doesn't but

652
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:32,799
it has a comprehensive um on schedule
there was one error on this um from what

653
01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:38,760
I understand but um this will Define
exactly where you sit within the

654
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:46,440
parameters of
yeah it was yeah number 184 this one

655
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:49,839
that was probably not in right standing
but any

656
01:01:56,359 --> 01:02:02,079
so if anybody needs to look at this to
define whether they're within that

657
01:02:00,279 --> 01:02:07,119
proximity they are free to take a look
at this

658
01:02:03,799 --> 01:02:11,200
today with number 184 pardon did you say
there's a problem with number 184

659
01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:16,720
there's an error there's an
error

660
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:23,760
um I none of my family nor myself are
within that jurisdiction i'me won't for

661
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,760
the boundary in

662
01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:33,760
who introduced this green energy

663
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:46,960
to did this all start oh PA was going
all over the province itself

664
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:50,799
yeah so originally Pace had come
to

665
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:57,039
town and there was an individual has
some property on the North West corner

666
01:02:53,440 --> 01:03:03,319
of town within towns as well and uh they
were approached about this project and

667
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:08,000
that individual turned it down and then
they went to the property where they're

668
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:12,880
at now but I don't think anyone actually
physically went out and said hey come to

669
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:22,079
Hannah
possibly

670
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:27,760
possibly like I said but the original
the original one was a piece I

671
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:27,760
approached to

672
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:48,799
well I
think we've all heard from Pace that

673
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:53,799
there is well eventually we heard
finally maybe that there is

674
01:03:53,839 --> 01:04:01,480
no there is no other in North America in
the situation we're in with our airport

675
01:04:00,319 --> 01:04:08,680
discuss that
today discuss so that is a concern that

676
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:12,240
they're fighting it for reasons for
their benefit where we

677
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:25,960
will okay so I think what we need to do
is get back on on

678
01:04:21,839 --> 01:04:29,920
schedule um do we want
Matthew to look at the setback

679
01:04:28,039 --> 01:04:32,359
regulations in more depth than what we
have right

680
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:45,480
now i' like to see something that way
but for that's we won't get it done in

681
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:51,640
time anyways permit
happened before the

682
01:04:48,599 --> 01:04:55,160
hearing okay and the hearing is unknown
at the time too

683
01:04:56,119 --> 01:05:03,680
March 5th is it March 5th remember it
was February 8th originally wasn't it

684
01:05:01,279 --> 01:05:10,240
yeah it's March 3D orth orth and sixth I
believe is when um I think the town is

685
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:15,839
either the fifth or sixth I believe of
March Yeah by we get this all it takes

686
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:24,880
what three months and there is no way it
will be approved ahead of time is just

687
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:24,880
you know to start the process but um

688
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:34,640
whether it's worth the time and
energy yeah you're going to pull day

689
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:39,760
from all the responsibilities to to do
something that maybe pay not pay

690
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:52,000
see says the same thing we're just we're
just creating extra work for day to

691
01:05:47,319 --> 01:05:52,000
do never thank us for day

692
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:04,520
increase so I think what I'm hearing
from Matthew the recommendation is that

693
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:12,559
we if we are going to review the Landes
bylaw um do we got at our Pace that

694
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:17,720
terminology on our time line instead of
rushing through it and trying to get it

695
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:22,440
done for the purpose of this uh project
um do the fact that I mean no the Au is

696
01:06:20,359 --> 01:06:29,760
going to run with whatever they have now
so instead of uh having our

697
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:32,200
bylaw review immediately um just leave
it as

698
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:50,880
is it's a it's a very contentious item
for lack of a better

699
01:06:51,559 --> 01:07:01,559
term okay proposed amendments to 103524
Animal Service service animal

700
01:06:59,559 --> 01:07:05,599
Provisions so this comes up CU a
resident got in touch with me and said

701
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:13,480
that they have service dogs and in the
past they had had to pay for a service

702
01:07:10,039 --> 01:07:18,799
dog dog license fee and they didn't see
that in the new bylaw where it said that

703
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:24,359
this wasn't included so the new bylaw
was based on the previous attempt at

704
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:28,480
redoing it and there was some confusion
that thought that it was

705
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:33,480
Province wide that service dogs didn't
have to pay so that's why it was left

706
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:41,160
out but it's done to each municipality
to set that that theme so it's just to

707
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:46,440
see what council's interest is like we
can just no charge for service animals

708
01:07:44,359 --> 01:07:52,559
I'll add an amendment to the the
existing bylaw that says so is there any

709
01:07:50,039 --> 01:07:58,480
documentation that it is a service dog
or no that's that's what I'm asking like

710
01:07:55,599 --> 01:08:01,799
mean if you don't every dog in the
country chicken

711
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:15,640
is he's got a passport that says all his
stuff I just I just but there is like

712
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:20,640
they have to have yeah that's my
understanding but I just want to be

713
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:26,239
trained in California you just have to
love them and

714
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:33,920
you but I have had
my hi porn off several times over the

715
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:39,080
$150 a year we have to produce that why
is it a problem to encourage people to

716
01:08:35,679 --> 01:08:39,080
get their kid or their

717
01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:49,799
K why is that a problem I don't
understand like that's been a worldwide

718
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:56,600
goal that's a town goal for a long time
to encourage that and if somebody says

719
01:08:52,040 --> 01:09:01,440
oh my dog is sterile already that's just
that's fine you don't need a procedure

720
01:08:58,480 --> 01:09:01,440
evidence that that's a

721
01:09:03,799 --> 01:09:13,279
thing to breath
dogs that's so there's there's that

722
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:17,400
undercurrent of people who get
information that doesn't necessarily

723
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:21,799
agree with the rest of the world but one
of them is that your dog will live

724
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:26,440
longer your cat will live longer if you
don't get them

725
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:31,120
fixed if my cat hadn't have been fixed I
wouldn't have a cat anymore because I

726
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:36,920
would have killed her by now because
she'd be spraying everywhere and you

727
01:09:33,239 --> 01:09:42,480
just be awful but that's their logic um
but even the regular fee how much is it

728
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:48,199
for the what were we going to do for the
spade and

729
01:09:44,799 --> 01:09:51,679
neuter it was the the other one yeah had
some

730
01:09:49,759 --> 01:09:55,960
guys
lifetime I want lifetime up to you yeah

731
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:59,760
what happen
dies

732
01:09:57,480 --> 01:10:06,880
with liim is
old don't yeah get a different

733
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,880
dog no you

734
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:14,960
can't what about what about the thinking
that a dog is a dog regardless if it is

735
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:21,120
a service dog or
not well a service dog is a necessity I

736
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:26,560
know that I know that but it's still
it's still a dog

737
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:32,560
and and really there are problem
everybody knows that a a pet is

738
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:36,560
very um supportive emotionally and
everything else that every dog could be

739
01:10:34,159 --> 01:10:40,600
seen as a I know it's going to be like
like have the documentation and

740
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:45,560
everything else but you know if somebody
comes back and say well yeah it's still

741
01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:45,560
a dog at the end of the

742
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:53,159
day I don't think that's a slope we want
to travel down myself I mean if it's a

743
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:58,640
service dog and I'm coming to the point
where I'm going to probably need a

744
01:10:54,600 --> 01:11:04,159
service dog against my wife's best
interest um but I mean I I would have no

745
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:10,000
problem either or but I just say for a
person that needs a service dog to

746
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:14,960
travel um I don't think you want to
penalize that

747
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:20,360
individual um it's it's it's like a
handicap stick basically in my

748
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:27,239
opinion
well and it's it's it's a rude thing to

749
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:27,239
say but I don't think I'm that far

750
01:11:33,199 --> 01:11:35,440
sounds

751
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:40,199
like

752
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:46,560
Cent
yeah yeah I don't see a problem with

753
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:52,080
that service dogs are differently
defined okay I'm just playing

754
01:11:49,480 --> 01:11:57,440
Devil's well that's that's what it's for
is discussion right that's Serv I know

755
01:11:55,320 --> 01:12:01,440
it say service animal that's why I said
the

756
01:11:58,719 --> 01:12:06,840
chicken okay so direction is Matthew
we'll bring this back to our meeting on

757
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:10,120
next wednes no next Tuesday Tuesday
after Tuesday

758
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:14,480
after
okay uh any other

759
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:24,239
discussion so we're in round table now
yes um I do have um something to kind of

760
01:12:21,719 --> 01:12:31,679
somewhat announce that um Alberta air
tours CL conted um he was in discussion

761
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:39,920
with a a local resident and gave them my
name and um so what this group does is

762
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:45,880
they travel around uh the province
promoting um Aeronautics and you know

763
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:52,880
small plane piloting and and that sort
of thing so they are um asked if they if

764
01:12:50,480 --> 01:13:00,960
we would be interested in having them
come to Hannah they have about 40 planes

765
01:12:55,840 --> 01:13:05,719
that will land um and then the public is
invited to come in and to go through

766
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:12,400
their planes they're they're promoting
flying and they're trying I believe

767
01:13:08,639 --> 01:13:21,199
they're educating on the benefits and um
to community as well as Youth and and it

768
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:25,760
sounds very um very exciting and so uh
discussion this information has been

769
01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:30,400
brought forward to Toca
and to the uh president of the Hannah

770
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:38,280
Flying Club and they are very supportive
of it and um there was a video that was

771
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:43,560
shared that I could send to everybody um
that I'm sorry I didn't before but and

772
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:49,679
shows you their sort of visit to the old
Didsbury airport and so what they've had

773
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:55,800
in the past is um you know things that
are brought to the airport to support it

774
01:13:53,080 --> 01:14:01,719
um you know for example maybe we could
look at inviting our other emergency uh

775
01:13:58,639 --> 01:14:06,880
responders like the fire department the
police department to have the public

776
01:14:03,480 --> 01:14:14,120
come and and look at their um equipment
as well not saying that these planes

777
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:18,880
will be uh emergency responders but um
it's just another Avenue to attract

778
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:24,159
other and get more education out there
um I would like to be inviting the

779
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:30,000
school and the school division to have
the students come out and look at it I

780
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:36,520
believe we there are flying lessons I
believe at the Hannah uh airport to a

781
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:42,440
certain extent and maybe that could grow
as well as the Flying Club could have

782
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:50,159
information there as well so we're um
looking at another asking is that we

783
01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:55,800
feed the um the pilots so um looking at
potential for a barbecue and you know

784
01:14:53,760 --> 01:15:01,000
maybe a mini market or or whatever
interest interested parties might want

785
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:07,679
to to have an as an event in our
community so they're only here

786
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:14,520
from we're looking at June 21st from
three from 2 to 5 and they will look

787
01:15:11,480 --> 01:15:19,000
after um all the landing they'll work
with the Flying Club regarding the

788
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:24,480
landing and parking and um and out
certain thing they figure about an hour

789
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:31,600
for all the pilots and planes to land
and and then afterwards they take off

790
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:36,440
and so it's a um it sounds like quite an
interesting thing so if you want to go

791
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:41,400
on their website it's called Alberta air
tours and they're all Pilots well

792
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:47,400
obviously they're
allots sorry about that um but they

793
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:51,840
enjoy getting out there and coming to
different communities and celebrating

794
01:15:49,639 --> 01:15:56,520
what they have to offer and sharing
their experiences with the public it's

795
01:15:53,719 --> 01:16:03,960
like the car show there such
Pride would be I recall seeing these

796
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:07,880
flying pancake breast years I don't know
I just that immediately popped into my

797
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:11,159
head was a flying pancake breakfast and
I don't know where I've seen it before

798
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:14,960
but I know it's a thing and there's no
reason why we couldn't do a flying

799
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:18,360
barbecue or an afternoon uh with the
time frame it might be tough to get

800
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:21,639
school involved but we definitely ask
them if they if they would like to well

801
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:26,320
that's the thing putting it out there
and they want

802
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:31,960
participate sat I think it's a Saturday
provided um well and perhaps there is

803
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:37,080
some other educational end perhaps there
is a you know maybe one of the colleges

804
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:40,800
that that provides flying lessons or is
a flying school or whatever we could

805
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:47,320
invite them and get them the option to
come out or use maybe one of

806
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:52,719
our it is we could have well yeah for
that and and maybe have it um you know

807
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:57,600
from noon till whatever you know in
anticipation of of the

808
01:16:55,880 --> 01:17:01,800
everybody being able to see the planes
land and take off and they're very

809
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:07,400
organized group and they've been doing
it for some time so um that's kind like

810
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:14,120
it I'm very quite quite pleased that
that the um that we were approached and

811
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:20,360
it's thanks to a small business um um
entrepreneur that um lives outside on

812
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:24,520
the edge of our community so yeah so I'm
excited about that and so I'll be

813
01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:32,719
working with them to try and get the
word out and um promote and um you know

814
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:40,600
put our our airport in the public light
Y and a nice positive um thing for our

815
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:44,920
community just a question um a few years
back quite a few probably nine maybe

816
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:48,480
eight or nine years ago they had a
similar event here in town with one of

817
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:52,199
the youth programs that they had going
on and went to the airport and they

818
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:59,040
actually cuz I remember my daughter at
that time actually got to flow there

819
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,040
yes I'm wondering if it's the same

820
01:18:00,679 --> 01:18:08,280
organization yeah no this is
provincewide and so what they'll be

821
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:13,679
doing is they'll be starting in way wri
and then going to killum and then coming

822
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:20,159
to us so there's three in the day that
they are going around and and sharing

823
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:26,120
their their information and experience
and giving us the opportunity to

824
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:33,239
to attract people to community so
young Peggy reill is is coordinates the

825
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:38,480
youth club that would the youth club why
not

826
01:18:35,159 --> 01:18:42,320
yeah I'll be putting posters on
actually is

827
01:18:39,970 --> 01:18:47,360
[Music]
itg yeah Peggy not doing

828
01:18:47,639 --> 01:18:51,800
something that's all I anything

829
01:18:52,520 --> 01:19:01,880
else V Memorial Highway
Association have a meeting this Friday

830
01:18:59,159 --> 01:19:08,840
it was changed to February
7th then it was changed to the

831
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:08,840
21st and now it's on the

832
01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:22,040
28th January or February
February yeah we're already on the

833
01:19:23,719 --> 01:19:33,560
2 travel right okay um hearing nothing
else we would like to adjourn at 9:50

834
01:19:31,480 --> 01:19:36,560
p.m.
a.m.

835
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:43,960
Trel so what did you get for are we all
no okay