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Caldwell Valley Borough Council is now in session. All rise for the pledge.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic

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for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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Roll call, Gail.

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Mr. Carr?

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Mm-hmm.

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Mr. White?

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Here.

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Dr. Schubring?

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Here.

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Mr. Gilbert?

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Present.

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Mr. Harris?

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Here.

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Mr. Lillard?

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Here.

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Matthews?

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Here.

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Kowalski?

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Here.

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Hennessins?

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Here.

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Ms. Harrison?

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Here.

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Okay, the first item of business is approval of minutes of August 11th,

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2026, our regular meeting. Do I have a motion to approve?

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Motion to approve.

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I'll second.

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We have a motion and a second. Any discussion?

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Hearing none, all in favor say aye.

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Next up, approval of minutes for the special meeting of August 25,

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2026.

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Do we have a motion to approve?

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Motion to approve.

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I'll second.

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We have a motion and a second. Any discussion?

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Hearing none, all in favor say aye.

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Opposed? Motion out of the scale.

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Okay.

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We'll now go into the public hearing on the proposed saldo ordinance

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that will, if adopted by the council,

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modify regulations pertaining to subdivision and land development in Chapter 22 of

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the Code of Ordinances and set forth an effective date.

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So, the first item will be for an overview of the proposed amendment.

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Dave?

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Hi. I don't sound prepared, do I? This will be a very brief overview.

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It's a complete rewrite of Chapter 22, which regulates all of the proposed land

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development plans that may get submitted to the borough.

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The planning commission has been working on this collaboratively with one another

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for,

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I don't want to say years, but I think it might be multiple years now.

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But they have worked on it tirelessly and,

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as I said, the Subdivision Land Development Ordinance is meant

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to govern the division and development of

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future parcels in your municipality.

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A lot of what you have in

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Chapter 22 is technical in nature.

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So a lot of it was helped written by engineer for the borough and

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reviewed, of course, by

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solicitor as well. If there are specific questions or anything that might come up,

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glad to do my best to answer them. But

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Chapter 22 is relatively straightforward.

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You go to most municipalities in Pennsylvania, they look quite the same.

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They're governed by the same Pennsylvania Municipalities Planning Code, so

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they're laid out the same and have a lot of the same details.

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So any questions, I'll do my best

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Dave, in definitions,

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I believe it says

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What page are you on?

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I'm getting there. Hold on.

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All right. Sorry.

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I'm sorry, I thought I had this bookmarked.

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It's 84, Cody.

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I think. You said definitions, right?

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Adverse conditions. That would be page-

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Definitions.

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Is that what you're talking about, number three, adverse conditions?

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Says, "Any condition that limits, restricts, or otherwise inhibits the use,

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enjoyment, or functionality of a particular facility, track, or feature."

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Yeah. This is it. Yes.

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does this leave open

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the possibility of someone having a tract of land and a tract of land behind it

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owned by another person that wants to build a house, and they say that creates an

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adverse condition because it's taking my enjoyment from sitting on my deck and

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enjoying the nature in the

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property behind me?

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That's a good question. I was mostly aware that term is actually used in saldo.

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I can't off the cuff recall. My first instinct was to look at Article VIII,

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Modifications. Some of you may be familiar with variances in the zoning

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context. There is something similar if a developer comes in front of you with a

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land development plan, and

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maybe it's a steep slope provision they can't meet or some other technical

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requirement that they cannot meet.

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They'll often seek a modification or a waiver pursuant to those provisions, and

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that's page 101 for anybody interested.

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And those provisions are largely taken right out of the MPC.

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And adverse condition isn't the right term there. It's more hardship.

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So I was looking to see if adverse condition was used there, and it's not, which is

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fine because the standard there is that if literal enforcement will exact undue

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hardship because of peculiar conditions pertaining to the land, provided that such

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modification will not be contrary to the public interest, the purpose and the end

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of the ordinance is observed, then you're able to grant a modification.

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I'm going to search the document.

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Yeah. If anybody has it up electronically, you can Control + F for it.

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Yeah, that was just my first thought when I read that.

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I was like, "Ugh, I don't like how broad it is because when you say any enjoyment

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to the property, now somebody can say, 'Well, that's an adverse condition by our

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own definition.'"

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One place it's coming up is in the definitions.

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finding where it's used is the important component here because the definition has

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to be used somewhere. So the definition in and of itself isn't necessarily going to

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grant anything. The text itself has to come up. I'm trying to pull it up as well.

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It looks like it's only that.

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It's just in one of one, where it found adverse conditions, which is in definition

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when I searched the document.

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Right. Try... So you searched adverse conditions?

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Adverse condition. Condition, not condition.

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I took the S off.

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What is it?

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Just the word adverse.

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Oh, that's a good idea. Thank you.

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There are 10 spots.

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And in the definition?

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Page 15, number 6. Actually, page 16.

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The top of page 16, but it starts on page 15, number 6.

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Yeah. So that's a whole different concept.

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That language there is, again, pulled right out of the MPC, and that's talking

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about when somebody comes in and they get a preliminary plan approval for a land

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development plan. You can't change your ordinance and then pull the rug out from

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underneath them. They have a five-year period.

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Page 51, number 7, has that word adversely in it.

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supply system studies.

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Well, the term was adverse conditions

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... the term is adverse.

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It said adversity. It said adversity.

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And that's talking about transportation systems.

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Adverse impacts on the transportation system. So that's not an adverse condition.

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Then we have page 71,

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501C. That's street construction.

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Want me to give you the next one?

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I didn't find that one.

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Oh, hold on, let me go back up.

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501C, page 71. 501C. It's B, 501C2B.

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Adverse environmental condition. Okay.

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So that doesn't- That's still something different. Mm-hmm.

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Then we have 80, page 88, number four, site location.

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And that's more developmental from swamps.

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And then the other one is adverse weather. No, definitely not that.

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From adverse influence, so that doesn't meet the- Yeah.

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... take the definition from it, I mean, that...

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We're defining what an adverse condition is.

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That would make the argument that we're getting an avenue to somebody to argue that

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it is one.

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Or am I wrong? I certainly subscribe to the principle that you

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don't need to, and probably shouldn't define terms that don't exist in the

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document. I don't know that somebody would be able to look at that and say, "I can

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get out of doing this, that, or the other just because there's a definition." I

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don't know- But- ... if I'm specifically concerned with somebody getting out of it.

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I'm concerned with somebody saying, "Hey, I don't want a house built behind mine,

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so I'm going to quote the definition in our ordinance and say, 'You're creating

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this that you have defined.'" That wouldn't govern that.

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In your example, though, this ordinance wouldn't govern that in any way, shape, or

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form.

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Because these are rights to the individual landowners, not someone who lives next

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to a piece of land that would be developed.

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Yeah. These govern the specific plans.

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But I hear what you're saying, and

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for the sake of this as a public hearing, and we've already advertised this, you're

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going to be keeping track of when you think that a change would exceed the- No,

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that, I mean- ... the minimum ... the general rule with that concept is if you're

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making a substantive change as opposed to a procedural or formatting change.

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So if you took the table of contents and you said, "Well, we just want...

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Let's flip Article 7 and Article 8," but none of the content's actually changing.

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I've never believed, and I don't believe that that requires re-advertising.

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Anything substantive, though, like adding a definition, maybe removing a

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definition, changing terms.

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It at least gives... Candidly, I don't think removing a definition that, or a term

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that doesn't actually appear in the ordinance would really necessitate

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re-advertising it. But, I could go either way on it because again, if you're

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not going to use a term, there's no sense in defining it.

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But I also don't think that there's any potential harm from somebody hanging their

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hat on a term that isn't used anywhere, right?

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They would say, "Oh, I have an adverse condition, so I want to do what exactly?"

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Because the ordinance doesn't say, "Well, if there's an adverse condition, you

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don't have to do this."

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tend to think you could remove it without the need to re-advertise, but I also

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think there probably isn't an outright need to remove it because it's sort of

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inconsequential. Very well. And maybe we could follow up with the folks at county

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to see if there's a reason it's in there. Other municipalities utilize it.

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Again, my first instinct when I saw that was that maybe they

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incorporated that into Article 8 modification stuff.

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But it's not in there, and it, again, really shouldn't be in there because the

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standard under the MPC to be able to get the modification or a waiver from having

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to do something, which I think is what your main concern is, that standard is right

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out of the MPC and is correct. And so it's undue hardship because of peculiar

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conditions pertaining to the land.

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I'll look up the word "conditions" too, just in case.

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Oh, no, we don't want to look at that. That's 154 hits.

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Okay with that.

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Okay. Anybody got another one?

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I got one. Page 33,

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What does that mean?

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Talks about

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boulevard-style entrance which would consist of two separate streets having a width

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of not less than 10 feet within a right of way of not less than 70

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feet in width.

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How many lanes? And how big is the median?

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What does this really mean?

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70 feet with 20 of it being roadway,

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or maybe more than 20.

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Is that how big your median can be?

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think what it's saying is that each...

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A boulevard-style entrance, meaning there's a median.

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There's two connected roads, we'll say, coming out of the single

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access road inside the development, and the entire right of way is going to be 70

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feet. And each of those two streets must be a width of at least 10 feet.

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About the 70 from one side all the way over to the other side.

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The right of way. For the right of way.

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20 feet of median, 12 feet of each road, and then each

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cartway, we'll say, and then that would leave you

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what? 18 on each side for right of way that's not being used.

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I think it's basically saying the minimum cartway size, there's got to be two

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separate, two completely separated roads in and out, and each of those

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cartways has to be at least 10 feet wide.

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the minimum right of way for the entire thing, the entire entrance has to be at

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least 70.

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So it would allow for widening the right of way on both sides

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later.

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In general, this provision, I see this provision a lot.

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As Dave pointed out, much of this document is kind of boilerplate, and most

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municipalities aren't reinventing the wheel when it comes to land development and

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whatnot. The reason that exists is if you...

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Most of the time you,

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to tell it short, oftentimes you would want to have more than one point of ingress

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and egress into a residential development.

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The flip side, though, is sometimes somebody's building, let's say like the corner,

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and they've put a bunch of houses there, and there's a point of access on each of

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the adjoining main streets, we'll say larger streets.

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People then might use the neighborhood as like a shortcut to get around an

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intersection or something. So sometimes you'll be okay with a single access

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into a development, provided they give you that boulevard entrance, so that if

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there's a major accident or something, if somebody's pulling out, everybody's not

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trapped in there, for lack of a better phrase.

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There's a much wider entrance to the development, so the firetrucks can get in and

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out, ambulances can get in and out.

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Versus if you just have a development of 80 homes or something and there's just one

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street in, there's a major wreck right at the opening, then you kind of got like a

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health and safety concern that people can't get in and out.

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But requiring the less than 70 basically gives you plenty of room to work with for

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firetrucks. That's generally what I've seen in other communities.

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Okay. Page 63.

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Number 19.

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Auxiliary turn lane analysis.

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I'm interested in essentially the second to last

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sentence "Storage length requirements for right turn lanes will be

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200 feet plus a 100-foot taper if a full-width turn lane is

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warranted, or 200 feet plus a 100-foot taper if the turn right taper

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is warranted."

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What does that mean?

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It doesn't exactly repeat itself, but it kind of sounds like it's repeating itself.

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Yeah. Let's see if

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we have definitions for right turn lane versus full-width turn lane.

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Because frankly, I don't have a great answer for you off the cuff, and I will

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do the classic lawyerly cop-out and say I'm not a traffic engineer, so maybe I

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don't understand what some of that terminology means.

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Well, don't feel alone. Neither am I.

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I think it's trying to distinguish between different...

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Well, I think maybe

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it's not actually distinguishing anything, I guess, if you look at the distances,

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because that's kind of the main point I think you were perhaps raising, is that

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whatever the difference between a right turn lane versus a full-width turn

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lane is, why distinguish them if the requirement is the same,

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200 feet plus a 100-foot taper? I assume the 100-foot taper to mean the

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distance by which the lane

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slowly shrinks.

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But again, if they're the same, then

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there's not really a difference. There's no distinction.

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Just saying, I guess, any turn lane of any kind has to store, storage meaning how

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many vehicles can you store in that length.

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You've got to have 200 feet of the lane and 100 feet

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of-

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Turning into the turn lane

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... of the lane, yeah, tapering down to nothing,

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or opening up coming in. But-

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Ultimately, the last sentence of that paragraph gives the borough the opportunity

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to critique whatever method is used to come up with whatever the answers are.

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These are things that would be done by developers and engineers, of course.

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So they would have to do some sort of evaluation of it and give what they

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call warrants or the numbers behind the decisions that they want, and then the

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borough and borough's engineer would have to approve that they've done it

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correctly. So I don't know the answer to your question either,

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but I think that last sentence is kind of a catchall to...

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I don't know. It may not have been. It definitely, something about it, and I've

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read a lot of these books, and I'm having trouble understanding the difference

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myself.

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I've read this one 100 times, so.

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Well, and more often than not, or almost, I guess, always,

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any of the language that we're looking at on page 63 or 62, 61,

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60, 59, that is all information that if you're ever dealing with a development that

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triggers the need for a traffic impact study, an overwhelming majority of your

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analysis or discretion or decision-making is going to rely on your traffic

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engineer. So the developer's going to come in with a traffic engineer who puts

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forward a study that says, "We did a study, and there's going to be this many peak

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hour trips generated," and your engineer would review that and determine whether

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they agree, whether there's problems with the study.

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And

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looking at that last sentence, I think if there's a methodology problem, in other

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words, your engineer were to say, "Well, I think the way that you did this study

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doesn't make any sense because you relied on this or that, or didn't account

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for..." That's how I see these things playing out so often in municipalities where

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there's a lot of development that triggers traffic impact studies, is that

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generally speaking, I don't get involved in it for the most part because it's just

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the engineers talking to each other. And they have very standardized...

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The methodology by which they do these studies

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is very standardized, and people often complain when they see these studies because

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they say, "Well, I live right there, and I know there's way more traffic than

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that." And the traffic engineers basically say, "I don't have a lot of

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discretion." I'm trying to find the name of the

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ITE is the acronym. There's a

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state-mandated manual, so to speak, that just dictates how they do these

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studies. There's not a whole lot of discretion.

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So if that's the question-

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This is the highly technical part that I mentioned earlier.

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So it doesn't make sense to me, but I also am not a traffic engineer.

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So-

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But the bottom line is that they're going to put in a tapered

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line, which would allow for a right-hand turn by having you move into the tapered

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line.

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And it just says that twice.

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Yeah, I think-

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With a little different organization of the words

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... whatever the distinction between a right turn lane or a full-width turn lane

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is, I think for purposes of that section anyway, those terms might mean something

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somewhere else, but

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the distinction doesn't matter because the rule says the length of that turn

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lane has to be 200 feet. You've got to have a 100-foot...

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And then the last sentence is basically saying, "We get to determine

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in the first instance, that provision only becomes

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relevant if there's a study done and it warrants a turn

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lane. We, the borough, get to determine whether your study was done appropriately

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at initial determination." That's what that last sentence-

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Ultimately, even if we changed it, it means the same thing now that it means later,

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so what?

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You get what I'm saying? So I'd say-

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If we were to amend the sentence as far as-

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Yeah

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... that kind of thought with it, you could say that's-

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I think we should leave it the way it is, mainly because-

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I personally wouldn't change it. I wouldn't change it because this stuff has been

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reviewed by the engineer. You made the reference to the traffic study issues,

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the ITE, which I didn't know this, Gale looked it up.

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That's the Institute of Transportation Engineers.

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So this is a highly detailed part of the ordinance.

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One that I think maybe one time in my life I've been involved where there was a

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development with a traffic study. It's not something that's real common, so.

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Yeah.

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I would say leave it the way it is.

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Somebody with more knowledge about it created this sentence and-

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I'll kind of look at it the same way we looked at the first item that we talked

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about. I don't think it harms you by leaving it in there because I think it's sort

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of meaningless.

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Right.

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And while I don't think it's really much of a change because it doesn't mean

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anything, taking it out, I guess, gives somebody the argument if we were to enact

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tonight that, well, that's a substantive change. You should've re-advertised it.

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Which again, who is really aggrieved because you took out a clause of a

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sentence that I think is pretty clearly duplicative, it's not actually

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saying anything. The main takeaway there is

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if this traffic impact study identifies that a auxiliary

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turn lane is warranted for this development, it's going to be 200 feet in length

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with 100-foot taper, period. Regardless of whether we're calling it a right turn

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lane or a full-width turn lane.

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Okay. Page 73, at the top of the page,

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number five.

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Exhibit three.

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Don't know that there are any exhibits for this document.

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There aren't.

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So we can remove that, and that would not be substantive.

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Yeah. I'm okay with that because if it doesn't exist, there's no exhibit three.

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You're not changing.

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You're not creating a requirement or adding a requirement.

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You're, again, deleting words that

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convey no meaning

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Does

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the current SATO, or does the borough have a

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depressed curb detail

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exhibit currently?

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That would be my only question, is if that is a detail that we would want to put in

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there so that if you had a developer come in, you'd be able to say, "Here's our

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statute, our detail that shows how you do a depressed curb." But we already don't

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have that, and there's nothing attached to this document.

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I don't see any problem.

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In the rest of the paragraph, it already

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laid out what the-

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What the

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requirement is

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... what the requirement is, and then it says, "In general," which doesn't mean

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it's in general. It would just be a suggestion at that point.

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So I have already marked it to delete the sentence, the entire last sentence where

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it starts, "In general."

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Okay?

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So you're going the whole sentence?

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I am. Because we don't have a depressed curb detail.

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We don't have an exhibit three, but we don't have the detail either, where we would

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have the exhibit if we did.

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I think it's an unnecessary level of detail.

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Okay.

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Now the

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85, 601B,

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mobile home permit. The following procedures will apply solely for the proposed

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placement of a mobile home on a single parcel,

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separately deeded or within a mobile home park.

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601B, number two, that's the first sentence.

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What's the question?

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Well,

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we're not allowing

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trailers on single lots. But here, this document would allow in,

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and I need to qualify it. It's only in those

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limited number of areas where there's large acreage and it could be built out,

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and this would allow single acre lots within those

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rare items or areas to have a trailer

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on the lot.

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That's the way I read it.

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Yeah, I would like to put Michael on the spot, but I won't, because we had a very

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similar conversation at the planning commission meeting about this, and it's

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important to remember that

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regardless of the question at hand, a single family home

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is defined by the federal government as including a mobile home, if they do

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certain things. So where you can place a single family

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mobile home will be governed by the zoning ordinance, not by Chapter 22.

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So this isn't talking about where you can site them.

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But it does open the door for allowing them.

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Not if our ordinance-

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Because it's

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not zoned for it, you can't put it there.

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Just like you can't put a Walmart up there.

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But the reality is, and we are going to have this conversation at a later date,

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because it's one of the topics that you had asked the planning commission to look

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at as it relates to zoning.

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Mm-hmm.

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And

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it's a really long conversation, to be honest with you.

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But there's a lot to it in terms of whether or not you can regulate where a mobile

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home is placed really anywhere in the borough, because the federal government has

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determined that that meets the definition of a single family dwelling.

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But we do intend to talk way more about that topic at a later date.

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In this instance, though, it's just talking about the design requirements when

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they're allowed to be placed via the zoning ordinance.

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And in that same section, a little bit lower, 2B, or subsection B at the bottom of

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the page is also-

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Right

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... kind of connected to what Dave just said, where, so if somebody applies for a

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permit, the borough will review the application for compliance with this ordinance

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and other applicable ordinances of the borough.

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The borough may request the assistance of the borough zoning officer, engineers,

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solicitor, other municipal officials.

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So it's not so much that this is opening the door for anything, it's just

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already presupposing that if somebody makes an application for a permit, they would

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need to comply with the zoning ordinance, comply with the building code if there's

494
00:32:28,465 --> 00:32:31,374
any building code provisions that are applicable, the floodplain ordinance,

495
00:32:31,449 --> 00:32:35,049
perhaps, if it's in a floodplain, all kinds of different other ordinances.

496
00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:36,323
So this isn't

497
00:32:38,709 --> 00:32:44,124
so much as opening a door for something as just kind of recognizing that there's

498
00:32:44,139 --> 00:32:47,590
all these other ordinances that work in tandem with the SATO anyway.

499
00:32:47,634 --> 00:32:51,999
And it's worth noting, too, the definition of mobile home under the SATO is a

500
00:32:52,029 --> 00:32:55,029
transportable single family dwelling intended for permanent occupancy.

501
00:32:55,540 --> 00:32:57,459
So that kind of gets back to Dave's point, which I

502
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,569
guess intended to be part of a larger discussion at a later date.

503
00:33:01,614 --> 00:33:01,614
It is.

504
00:33:01,629 --> 00:33:01,794
But-

505
00:33:03,009 --> 00:33:06,759
Ultimately, one of the things that we've noticed in our zoning ordinance is we have

506
00:33:06,790 --> 00:33:12,219
some regulations for the placement of mobile homes, but they talk about the

507
00:33:12,249 --> 00:33:16,719
placements of those homes in mobile home parks, but they don't include other

508
00:33:16,779 --> 00:33:19,359
situations outside of a mobile home park.

509
00:33:19,449 --> 00:33:24,519
If they are permitted to be sited, it doesn't necessarily draw the connection

510
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:30,309
between the two. This doesn't let that happen, because now this one is saying, when

511
00:33:30,370 --> 00:33:30,669
this is

512
00:33:31,899 --> 00:33:33,969
the use that's been proposed, these are the rules.

513
00:33:34,809 --> 00:33:39,234
So the siting would come, the actual location, wherever it is within the borough,

514
00:33:39,699 --> 00:33:41,259
will be under Chapter 27.

515
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:45,370
This document, I believe, says that a mobile home is defined as a home that can be

516
00:33:45,399 --> 00:33:48,040
brought in, put down, and then moved later.

517
00:33:49,179 --> 00:33:53,904
But I thought we had talked in the past about putting some kind of ordinances in

518
00:33:53,948 --> 00:33:57,698
effect that if it was a mobile home that was brought in, it would have to be put

519
00:33:57,730 --> 00:33:59,199
down with some kind of permanent-

520
00:33:59,469 --> 00:34:01,659
Again, and we are going to talk about that later.

521
00:34:01,719 --> 00:34:05,079
You're exactly right, because in order to meet the definition of single family

522
00:34:05,139 --> 00:34:08,709
dwelling, they have to remove the mobile portion of the mobile home.

523
00:34:09,145 --> 00:34:09,145
Okay.

524
00:34:09,189 --> 00:34:14,665
So, I don't want to get into that conversation until the appropriate time that the

525
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:15,850
planning commission's finished with it.

526
00:34:15,879 --> 00:34:19,645
But ultimately, right now, it's if you remove the wheels and the tongue, and it's

527
00:34:19,659 --> 00:34:23,140
permanently strapped to a permanent foundation, now it's considered to be a single

528
00:34:23,169 --> 00:34:24,850
family home, not a mobile home.

529
00:34:26,499 --> 00:34:26,739
Right.

530
00:34:26,995 --> 00:34:27,429
Right. Correct.

531
00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:36,908
All right.

532
00:34:56,529 --> 00:34:58,749
So if this were to come

533
00:35:00,099 --> 00:35:01,119
to fruition,

534
00:35:03,669 --> 00:35:05,529
it would only be

535
00:35:07,959 --> 00:35:13,449
in those big areas if they were ever developed. Is that what we're saying?

536
00:35:15,549 --> 00:35:16,480
No, I'm saying-

537
00:35:16,525 --> 00:35:20,559
Or are we saying that the government requires us to allow on single lots?

538
00:35:21,009 --> 00:35:24,009
Again, I promise you we will talk more about that.

539
00:35:24,129 --> 00:35:26,769
This is not talking about where they could be located.

540
00:35:26,829 --> 00:35:31,359
This is only discussing when they're permitted to be located, what the requirements

541
00:35:31,389 --> 00:35:34,089
will be specific to the site.

542
00:35:34,269 --> 00:35:35,949
When we decide where and when.

543
00:35:36,459 --> 00:35:41,559
Once you have determined via the zoning ordinance where these things would be

544
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:46,089
permitted to be. A full-blown mobile home right now is only allowed in the same

545
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:50,319
place that mobile home parks are. So it's not an issue.

546
00:35:50,409 --> 00:35:56,289
The only question becomes whether or not the council will be satisfied with the

547
00:35:56,349 --> 00:36:01,779
rules, and I'm not sure they're going to have a choice, but that once the tongue

548
00:36:01,794 --> 00:36:05,484
and everything's removed, it's no longer a mobile home, and now it's just a single

549
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:10,509
family home, which I think we'll have to discuss in a lot more detail later.

550
00:36:10,929 --> 00:36:16,599
So this is just talking about what the design requirements will be wherever the

551
00:36:16,659 --> 00:36:18,129
other code says you're allowed to put them.

552
00:36:19,389 --> 00:36:19,689
So

553
00:36:22,539 --> 00:36:24,969
if we did it under zoning

554
00:36:26,439 --> 00:36:31,373
and address this, would we need to come back to this chapter and make changes?

555
00:36:33,387 --> 00:36:33,777
Well-

556
00:36:34,137 --> 00:36:35,187
If it didn't work out

557
00:36:35,217 --> 00:36:39,417
... the zoning should be really talking about the site types of things more than

558
00:36:39,477 --> 00:36:44,712
these... This should be a higher level of detail in terms of the requirements

559
00:36:45,477 --> 00:36:51,432
of what you're doing, where the other one should be basically location and

560
00:36:51,507 --> 00:36:55,707
setbacks and things that are more spatially significant.

561
00:36:55,768 --> 00:36:59,907
This is more detail-oriented on the types of things that you'll do.

562
00:37:00,237 --> 00:37:05,232
So it's not uncommon to have rules in multiple places,

563
00:37:05,697 --> 00:37:06,627
unfortunately.

564
00:37:06,657 --> 00:37:12,597
And this section, or Article 6 generally, is primarily

565
00:37:12,657 --> 00:37:16,797
regulating mobile home parks. The majority of what that article is doing is the

566
00:37:17,037 --> 00:37:20,998
mobile home parks. What you're talking about, what you want to make sure that you

567
00:37:21,056 --> 00:37:22,137
have the rules in place for

568
00:37:23,998 --> 00:37:28,077
regulating individual mobile homes as you would any other single-family home, that

569
00:37:28,107 --> 00:37:32,907
is really a zoning. But if you look at, for instance, really starting with

570
00:37:34,947 --> 00:37:40,932
Section 4, all of the design and improvement standards, that's putting in place all

571
00:37:40,977 --> 00:37:46,047
of the site design and drainage setback and parking areas

572
00:37:46,167 --> 00:37:49,797
and size and shape of blocks and

573
00:37:51,582 --> 00:37:54,327
construction. That's park street system.

574
00:37:54,387 --> 00:37:58,377
That's all really contemplating if there's going to be a mobile home park

575
00:37:58,407 --> 00:38:03,867
developed. Again, that's also that runs in tandem with the zoning ordinance because

576
00:38:03,897 --> 00:38:06,927
a mobile home park is not a permitted use in every single zoning district.

577
00:38:07,018 --> 00:38:11,877
So again, getting back to the term, the sort of phrase of opening the door, all

578
00:38:11,937 --> 00:38:14,982
these provisions are doing is essentially saying, if the door is actually already

579
00:38:15,057 --> 00:38:19,197
open because of other ordinances, then these are the procedures that are in place,

580
00:38:19,617 --> 00:38:21,387
not independently opening the door

581
00:38:23,007 --> 00:38:23,518
for itself.

582
00:38:30,567 --> 00:38:35,097
Water supply and sewage disposal. So you've got electrical.

583
00:38:35,518 --> 00:38:36,807
This is all of the

584
00:38:38,217 --> 00:38:41,248
nitty-gritty land development type stuff.

585
00:38:41,277 --> 00:38:43,887
If someone's going to develop one of those parks, these are all the big picture

586
00:38:43,977 --> 00:38:44,742
rules that they have to put in.

587
00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:49,347
That's all I had.

588
00:38:56,607 --> 00:38:57,837
Any other discussion?

589
00:39:00,867 --> 00:39:01,587
Any public comment?

590
00:39:01,617 --> 00:39:02,697
Open to the public.

591
00:39:06,837 --> 00:39:08,907
I don't think we have anybody signed up to speak.

592
00:39:09,357 --> 00:39:11,772
We've had some confusion with sign-in sheets, but we're not

593
00:39:13,077 --> 00:39:17,172
100% certain, so I would hope that you would ask the public that's here if they

594
00:39:17,187 --> 00:39:17,998
wanted to speak.

595
00:39:20,937 --> 00:39:23,337
One too many forms.

596
00:39:26,007 --> 00:39:26,592
Josh Williams.

597
00:39:26,592 --> 00:39:29,397
You can ask questions. I don't know if they'll answer them, but you can ask one.

598
00:39:34,107 --> 00:39:36,057
Whatever. It's good. All right. Good evening, everybody.

599
00:39:36,268 --> 00:39:36,507
So

600
00:39:37,887 --> 00:39:40,737
this, of course, is going to go to the glue factory eventually.

601
00:39:41,607 --> 00:39:44,157
Pulled up 600 for definitions for a mobile home.

602
00:39:44,217 --> 00:39:48,221
I know we're going to be discussing the mobile home of Josh Williams, 14 Gladys

603
00:39:48,266 --> 00:39:53,577
Trail. Sorry, do that part first. Is there a way to add an ordinance to it?

604
00:39:53,998 --> 00:39:56,998
And Dave, you said that if you take the tongue off and the axles off, it's no

605
00:39:57,027 --> 00:40:01,152
longer a mobile home, but those things can also be reattached and make it a mobile

606
00:40:01,167 --> 00:40:05,322
home again. We need to put something there that's going to be a solid slab, that it

607
00:40:05,337 --> 00:40:08,367
won't be built on stilts. It won't be an eyesore.

608
00:40:08,412 --> 00:40:12,281
If it's put on a solid slab, have skirting around it, even if the axle is already

609
00:40:12,281 --> 00:40:16,407
removed, again, it can be reattached, and it can be taken apart into two sections

610
00:40:16,437 --> 00:40:19,527
and pulled up a lot. We have a $700,000 house.

611
00:40:19,587 --> 00:40:22,287
I don't want a double wide trailer across the street from me to bring down my

612
00:40:22,317 --> 00:40:25,557
property value, and I don't think anybody else in our borough.

613
00:40:25,707 --> 00:40:27,207
I understand it's a federal regulation.

614
00:40:27,777 --> 00:40:32,697
Put rules in place to make it extremely difficult for somebody to put a mobile home

615
00:40:32,787 --> 00:40:38,127
on a single parcel, and then we're not violating a federal rule.

616
00:40:38,217 --> 00:40:40,887
You just have to abide by all these other rules in order to do it.

617
00:40:41,667 --> 00:40:42,657
That's all I got for that.

618
00:40:42,777 --> 00:40:44,337
Yeah, there's a lot of

619
00:40:45,567 --> 00:40:48,687
different things that you can do with that. You can start talking about roof pitch.

620
00:40:48,807 --> 00:40:51,087
You can talk about foundation. You can talk about gutters.

621
00:40:51,117 --> 00:40:56,097
There's a lot of things that you can do in terms to a mobile home that does exactly

622
00:40:56,157 --> 00:40:58,768
what you're talking about, and those discussions are being had.

623
00:40:58,827 --> 00:40:59,157
Thank you.

624
00:40:59,248 --> 00:41:03,507
Yeah, I would encourage Josh and really anybody who's interested in that topic to

625
00:41:03,777 --> 00:41:05,201
start attending planning commission meetings.

626
00:41:05,277 --> 00:41:09,357
We had our first very detailed conversation about all those topics last week.

627
00:41:09,987 --> 00:41:15,477
I would caution this, too. The term mobile home is a little bit of a misnomer.

628
00:41:15,927 --> 00:41:17,787
There's mobile homes and manufactured homes.

629
00:41:18,312 --> 00:41:20,337
A manufactured home is what Josh just said.

630
00:41:20,457 --> 00:41:24,252
Basically comes in in two pieces or on a couple of trucks, and they put it down and

631
00:41:24,297 --> 00:41:29,352
put it together. But a mobile home is a trailer, or we mostly just refer to it as a

632
00:41:29,427 --> 00:41:34,498
trailer. So any ordinances that are written should address that.

633
00:41:34,977 --> 00:41:38,577
Well, and as you would hear at the planning commission, we did talk at great length

634
00:41:38,637 --> 00:41:44,427
again about these topics, and we are somewhat handcuffed on what we can do based

635
00:41:44,457 --> 00:41:48,417
upon federal discrimination cases and things of that nature.

636
00:41:48,777 --> 00:41:52,692
But we are looking at all the different things that we might be able to do, and

637
00:41:52,737 --> 00:41:57,417
before it ever comes to any proposed changes would come to this board, it's going

638
00:41:57,477 --> 00:42:03,371
to go through a detailed review by our attorney to be sure that we could even make

639
00:42:04,137 --> 00:42:05,907
proposals to make those changes.

640
00:42:07,197 --> 00:42:10,557
I encourage everybody to show up for the planning commission

641
00:42:10,617 --> 00:42:16,498
meeting.

642
00:42:16,647 --> 00:42:17,067
Eric?

643
00:42:22,167 --> 00:42:23,727
State your full name and address.

644
00:42:29,157 --> 00:42:30,357
Of course. Hi, my name's Eric Johnson.

645
00:42:30,447 --> 00:42:35,277
I live at Four Raven Trail, and I want to start by just asking a quick question

646
00:42:35,457 --> 00:42:37,587
since I just found out about this

647
00:42:39,268 --> 00:42:39,897
land development

648
00:42:41,127 --> 00:42:45,987
about a half an hour ago. What was the purpose behind making these changes?

649
00:42:46,018 --> 00:42:49,736
Are we just trying to update our existing ordinances?

650
00:42:49,827 --> 00:42:54,027
Is there something going on that it might necessitate a change?

651
00:42:54,537 --> 00:42:56,607
What was the reason behind developing these changes?

652
00:42:58,587 --> 00:42:58,797
Well,

653
00:43:00,447 --> 00:43:03,927
it was a very old 70-page document.

654
00:43:04,587 --> 00:43:06,268
So it's mostly we're just updating?

655
00:43:07,467 --> 00:43:13,317
And updated, and actually, we do have large parcels

656
00:43:13,737 --> 00:43:14,817
that at any time

657
00:43:16,377 --> 00:43:21,387
they could come in and ask our approval for development.

658
00:43:21,867 --> 00:43:24,402
Has anybody come in and asked for development?

659
00:43:24,402 --> 00:43:25,917
In the past they have, yes.

660
00:43:26,097 --> 00:43:29,697
Has anybody recently? I know we have some pretty big pieces of land that were just

661
00:43:29,727 --> 00:43:34,768
sold next to Perna that was an acre or something like that.

662
00:43:34,797 --> 00:43:36,206
I don't think that sold yet.

663
00:43:36,297 --> 00:43:36,597
Hmm?

664
00:43:36,627 --> 00:43:37,347
Is that sold yet?

665
00:43:37,557 --> 00:43:37,962
I could be wrong.

666
00:43:38,157 --> 00:43:41,096
I thought I heard somebody say there was two, one was sold, one wasn't.

667
00:43:41,307 --> 00:43:41,667
I don't know.

668
00:43:43,317 --> 00:43:47,217
Yeah. To get back to what he said, the original subdivision ordinance was adopted

669
00:43:47,277 --> 00:43:53,217
in 1979 and hadn't been changed, so that the original reason to look at

670
00:43:53,248 --> 00:43:58,302
it was just to update it and be sure because in Adams County in general, every

671
00:43:58,347 --> 00:44:01,167
municipality is getting peppered with development.

672
00:44:01,227 --> 00:44:04,437
We wanted to make sure we had newer regulations in place.

673
00:44:04,647 --> 00:44:09,057
So you actually asked two questions, so I'd like to separate the two because doing

674
00:44:09,087 --> 00:44:12,327
what we're doing has nothing to do with whether or not we think there's going to be

675
00:44:12,357 --> 00:44:15,867
a development. It's about being proactive and making sure that we have good rules

676
00:44:15,927 --> 00:44:19,737
in place if that does happen. The second part of the question was have we heard

677
00:44:19,768 --> 00:44:24,117
anything. I've had two conversations about the one parcel with two different

678
00:44:24,147 --> 00:44:26,427
developers that's up the street for sale right now.

679
00:44:26,547 --> 00:44:29,232
I mean, everybody sees the for sale signs, so I'm sure people have wondered about

680
00:44:29,277 --> 00:44:33,268
it. I have no idea. We haven't received anything formally, just simple

681
00:44:33,297 --> 00:44:34,857
conversations about that.

682
00:44:36,417 --> 00:44:42,387
We have one other landowner who has been in twice over the years seeking

683
00:44:43,197 --> 00:44:45,147
different kinds of developments in there.

684
00:44:45,777 --> 00:44:50,682
And I've said it, I'll say it here. I said it one other time not long ago in this

685
00:44:50,727 --> 00:44:56,217
room. It's going to happen. I'm sorry. We have a wonderful community.

686
00:44:56,307 --> 00:44:59,487
There's a lot of reason why people would want to build on the parcels that are

687
00:44:59,547 --> 00:45:04,377
here, and we just have to be prepared for them the best that we can whenever they

688
00:45:04,407 --> 00:45:04,977
do show up.

689
00:45:05,187 --> 00:45:09,687
And this basically sets it up to where we do it under our term.

690
00:45:10,137 --> 00:45:10,377
Yeah.

691
00:45:10,617 --> 00:45:11,817
As well as we can, of course.

692
00:45:12,297 --> 00:45:15,627
That's why I was just asking the general reason behind just being proactive,

693
00:45:15,777 --> 00:45:18,687
updating, or if there was something specific that we were either trying to

694
00:45:18,748 --> 00:45:19,722
encourage or discourage.

695
00:45:20,248 --> 00:45:24,237
But the Aluma property that is next to Skeeter, they have a 15-year

696
00:45:26,217 --> 00:45:28,587
drop-dead date on their sewer hookup.

697
00:45:28,647 --> 00:45:32,186
So one would think in the next 15 years that they're going to try to

698
00:45:33,897 --> 00:45:35,157
Execute on them. Yeah.

699
00:45:35,518 --> 00:45:39,147
They're already logging over there, which makes me think that they're planning on

700
00:45:39,207 --> 00:45:44,547
selling the land. Because in Pennsylvania, the logs aren't

701
00:45:45,087 --> 00:45:46,647
part of the property anymore, right?

702
00:45:48,027 --> 00:45:49,557
Agricultural economy.

703
00:45:49,617 --> 00:45:50,577
Logging that area.

704
00:45:53,427 --> 00:45:55,917
Well, come on up, sign the sheet, and you can talk.

705
00:45:56,727 --> 00:45:59,007
You especially. You can talk anytime you want.

706
00:46:00,177 --> 00:46:02,577
Don't say that. Then you should tell me to shut up.

707
00:46:02,847 --> 00:46:05,127
No, I want you to keep talking.

708
00:46:06,387 --> 00:46:07,797
Thank you again for everything you did.

709
00:46:08,637 --> 00:46:10,137
It was collaborative.

710
00:46:11,248 --> 00:46:12,237
Do I need to time you?

711
00:46:12,627 --> 00:46:13,917
You can if you want.

712
00:46:17,697 --> 00:46:22,227
Tiffany Price, 59 Mile Trail. I just had a couple questions.

713
00:46:22,557 --> 00:46:25,707
Now, I perused this. I did not sit down and read it completely.

714
00:46:26,157 --> 00:46:31,047
Are they still going to have the mandatory at least a half an acre lot to build on,

715
00:46:31,197 --> 00:46:37,047
or... I seen mention in here of condominiums, homeowners associations, things

716
00:46:37,107 --> 00:46:40,722
of that. And Carroll Valley's pretty strict as it is, people coming in here saying

717
00:46:40,768 --> 00:46:44,967
that, "We're a homeowners association," which like you said, it was developed that

718
00:46:45,087 --> 00:46:49,197
way back in the '70s when everything was put into place.

719
00:46:49,737 --> 00:46:53,322
But I was just curious about that. And then the other thing was the joint use of

720
00:46:53,367 --> 00:46:58,827
residential driveways. So I have a lot that someone actually put part of their

721
00:46:58,857 --> 00:47:04,587
driveway onto my lot. And so the thought process was if I

722
00:47:04,647 --> 00:47:07,827
sold it, we could each use that lot to go in.

723
00:47:09,268 --> 00:47:12,462
So I was curious about that, because that's under the residential, no use of

724
00:47:12,507 --> 00:47:18,432
resident joint on page, go back over 40, I think

725
00:47:18,567 --> 00:47:18,942
it's like-

726
00:47:19,662 --> 00:47:21,837
Anything that's existing would be grandfathered, correct?

727
00:47:22,287 --> 00:47:25,377
But it's only half of that driveway is on my lot.

728
00:47:26,832 --> 00:47:27,867
I'm going to answer both questions.

729
00:47:27,897 --> 00:47:30,837
The first question was about the size of the lots.

730
00:47:30,852 --> 00:47:33,162
That's governed through Chapter 27, not through this.

731
00:47:33,192 --> 00:47:38,937
So the size of lots is set in zoning, and so you'd have to refer to that code for

732
00:47:39,027 --> 00:47:43,242
that. The question about the driveways, and I knew you were going to ask that

733
00:47:43,242 --> 00:47:44,998
because you've asked me one other time.

734
00:47:45,627 --> 00:47:49,107
And I'll tell you again, I don't know if I even gave you a good answer last time,

735
00:47:49,167 --> 00:47:52,557
but today I've got a good answer. And that is, I don't know if it would be

736
00:47:52,587 --> 00:47:55,782
grandfathered or wouldn't be grandfathered, but these requirements in the

737
00:47:55,827 --> 00:48:01,347
Subdivision Land Development Ordinance are flexible enough that you could talk to

738
00:48:01,467 --> 00:48:04,707
Tiffany at the time, and you could grant Tiffany the ability to do it, just

739
00:48:04,768 --> 00:48:07,617
individually. You could waive that requirement for her.

740
00:48:07,677 --> 00:48:09,717
It happens in developments all the time.

741
00:48:09,807 --> 00:48:15,282
So if these rules aren't quite as concrete as a zoning ordinance requirement,

742
00:48:15,987 --> 00:48:21,312
and they allow the council to make changes to it, not a zoning hearing board, for

743
00:48:21,357 --> 00:48:22,287
example. So.

744
00:48:22,887 --> 00:48:28,797
Correct me if I'm wrong, but eight or nine years ago, didn't we do that with

745
00:48:29,337 --> 00:48:32,577
a driveway? About eight or nine years ago, didn't we do that with a driveway, where

746
00:48:33,177 --> 00:48:38,937
we allowed somebody to build their driveway with the permission of the landowner

747
00:48:39,057 --> 00:48:40,768
in, I think it was a few years ago.

748
00:48:40,857 --> 00:48:41,412
Yeah, I know-

749
00:48:41,457 --> 00:48:43,947
That was for access to property

750
00:48:43,977 --> 00:48:47,366
... it was actually just outside of Carroll Valley. Yeah.

751
00:48:47,877 --> 00:48:49,797
We thought we were looking out for that property.

752
00:48:51,687 --> 00:48:57,147
So I understand what you're saying and, the rule doesn't

753
00:48:57,417 --> 00:49:02,277
encourage the use of those kinds of driveways, but that doesn't mean that

754
00:49:02,367 --> 00:49:06,207
individual cases, you couldn't hear from them and decide whether or not

755
00:49:06,447 --> 00:49:09,237
individually that situation warranted allowing it.

756
00:49:11,007 --> 00:49:14,427
So with the half acre lot, does that mean condominiums would potentially be

757
00:49:14,487 --> 00:49:18,957
excluded from being built in Carroll Valley, and townhomes, or is that-

758
00:49:19,167 --> 00:49:19,917
Yeah, 27.

759
00:49:22,167 --> 00:49:28,047
Sorry. It is. The types of homes on lots, that's all governed by your zoning

760
00:49:28,077 --> 00:49:28,317
board.

761
00:49:28,347 --> 00:49:33,027
All right, and then the homeowners association clause is in here that Carroll

762
00:49:33,087 --> 00:49:36,207
Valley's third party. Does that mean that they have all of their own rules?

763
00:49:37,317 --> 00:49:42,537
These would set rules up if a developer proposed a development that was going to

764
00:49:42,687 --> 00:49:47,157
have a homeowners association as part of their boundaries.

765
00:49:48,657 --> 00:49:52,452
Correct me if I'm wrong, the homeowners association's rules can't supersede our

766
00:49:52,467 --> 00:49:53,787
rules. Am I correct there?

767
00:49:53,907 --> 00:49:56,037
No, there are two sets of rules, correct.

768
00:49:57,297 --> 00:49:59,487
Is that what you were asking, if they can supersede and then-

769
00:50:00,057 --> 00:50:00,207
No.

770
00:50:02,367 --> 00:50:02,637
They can't-

771
00:50:02,907 --> 00:50:03,822
Well, they can't-

772
00:50:03,822 --> 00:50:07,498
They can't have a development over here with a homeowners association and then try

773
00:50:07,527 --> 00:50:10,018
to affect places outside of their boundary.

774
00:50:10,257 --> 00:50:10,467
Correct.

775
00:50:10,557 --> 00:50:14,337
But basically, the rules that are set for what you're saying, the rules are set for

776
00:50:14,397 --> 00:50:18,268
Carroll Valley, they have to follow those, but then they can have different rules

777
00:50:18,327 --> 00:50:23,487
that don't supersede our rules. Am I correct?

778
00:50:23,577 --> 00:50:27,777
If I'm splitting the hair with the word supersede, they can't avoid your rules.

779
00:50:27,837 --> 00:50:28,242
That's what I meant.

780
00:50:28,257 --> 00:50:32,248
They can have rules that go above and beyond yours, and

781
00:50:33,537 --> 00:50:39,117
then that's not a borough issue. You can have that outside of the context of an

782
00:50:39,268 --> 00:50:43,992
HOA. You could have a subdivision plan that gets recorded, and as a part of all of

783
00:50:44,037 --> 00:50:49,498
those deeds created by that subdivision, there could be restrictive covenants that

784
00:50:49,557 --> 00:50:51,987
say you can't have chickens or you can't whatever.

785
00:50:52,768 --> 00:50:57,777
And the individual private property owners have rights and responsibility,

786
00:50:58,467 --> 00:50:59,967
nothing to do with the borough.

787
00:51:01,887 --> 00:51:03,748
So they're just two different things.

788
00:51:05,412 --> 00:51:10,092
Use of an HOA doesn't have any impact on the enforceability or validity of rules

789
00:51:10,107 --> 00:51:13,452
that you haven't put in place, but they may put on themselves rules and

790
00:51:13,527 --> 00:51:16,407
regulations. Is that what you're asking?

791
00:51:17,248 --> 00:51:18,657
I think how it would-

792
00:51:19,017 --> 00:51:21,807
Yeah. So they have to follow our rules first.

793
00:51:26,637 --> 00:51:30,373
The HOA can't make rules that say, "Oh, you don't have to follow this or that from

794
00:51:30,417 --> 00:51:36,387
the Carroll Valley Code of Ordinances." Property that was being developed in those

795
00:51:36,447 --> 00:51:40,587
instances. So unless you bought property there and were notified of what those

796
00:51:40,617 --> 00:51:42,687
rules were as a buying person,

797
00:51:44,758 --> 00:51:46,978
it would only be an issue for the properties being developed.

798
00:51:49,557 --> 00:51:49,917
Yeah.

799
00:51:55,677 --> 00:51:57,867
Any other discussion on this issue?

800
00:52:01,707 --> 00:52:05,292
Do I have a motion to adjourn this public hearing?

801
00:52:05,426 --> 00:52:06,567
Motion to adjourn.

802
00:52:08,232 --> 00:52:08,232
Second.

803
00:52:08,248 --> 00:52:11,038
Motion and a second to adjourn this public hearing.

804
00:52:12,478 --> 00:52:17,937
Any other discussion on that? None? All in favor say aye.

805
00:52:18,042 --> 00:52:18,042
Aye.

806
00:52:18,478 --> 00:52:19,827
Aye.

807
00:52:19,947 --> 00:52:20,472
Opposed?

808
00:52:21,748 --> 00:52:22,077
Okay.

809
00:52:23,967 --> 00:52:28,077
We're now open to the public again

810
00:52:29,667 --> 00:52:32,248
on topics that we'll be discussing tonight.

811
00:52:34,587 --> 00:52:36,777
I don't see any volunteers for that one.

812
00:52:38,937 --> 00:52:41,457
Okay, ordinance number two.

813
00:52:42,087 --> 00:52:42,567
Miss B.

814
00:52:42,927 --> 00:52:43,152
Hmm?

815
00:52:43,407 --> 00:52:43,917
Miss B.

816
00:52:48,327 --> 00:52:51,386
Oh, yes. I did miss our librarian.

817
00:52:54,237 --> 00:52:58,527
Good evening, everyone. I know most of you already, but my name's Sherry DiMartino,

818
00:52:59,248 --> 00:53:01,498
and I'm the branch manager of the Carroll Valley Library.

819
00:53:02,788 --> 00:53:06,387
Thanks for the opportunity to speak with you tonight on behalf of the Adams County

820
00:53:06,447 --> 00:53:07,167
Library System.

821
00:53:08,728 --> 00:53:11,998
For more than 80 years, the Adams County Library System has been a vital part of

822
00:53:12,027 --> 00:53:16,557
our community. While the way we access and use information has evolved dramatically

823
00:53:16,647 --> 00:53:21,267
over those eight decades, our work has remained constant: to provide Adams County

824
00:53:21,327 --> 00:53:25,797
residents with access to materials and information that support formal and lifelong

825
00:53:25,857 --> 00:53:27,597
learning, enrichment, and enjoyment.

826
00:53:28,917 --> 00:53:32,097
Today, we are proud to serve our communities through convenient locations in

827
00:53:32,128 --> 00:53:36,447
Biglerville, Carroll Valley, East Berlin, Gettysburg, Littlestown, and New Oxford.

828
00:53:37,407 --> 00:53:41,128
I want to especially highlight that a majority of residents in this borough visit

829
00:53:41,157 --> 00:53:44,817
our library right here in Carroll Valley, making our presence here not just a

830
00:53:44,847 --> 00:53:47,022
convenience, but a true community cornerstone.

831
00:53:48,538 --> 00:53:51,717
Our libraries deliver real measurable value to your taxpayers.

832
00:53:52,467 --> 00:53:56,157
In 2025 alone, residents of Carroll Valley saved an estimated

833
00:53:56,172 --> 00:54:02,008
$236,306 simply by borrowing physical books rather than

834
00:54:02,067 --> 00:54:03,447
purchasing them from a bookstore.

835
00:54:04,617 --> 00:54:08,667
That figure is based on the average book price reported by School Library Journal

836
00:54:09,207 --> 00:54:12,312
and represents real money staying in the pockets of your constituents.

837
00:54:13,677 --> 00:54:17,577
Beyond the savings, we offer a wide range of programs, averaging more than one

838
00:54:17,637 --> 00:54:19,797
event per day across all our locations.

839
00:54:20,847 --> 00:54:24,402
Summer is especially critical with our Summer Quest program permitting reading and

840
00:54:24,447 --> 00:54:28,407
helping prevent the summer slide that sets so many students back when school is

841
00:54:28,467 --> 00:54:28,767
out.

842
00:54:29,967 --> 00:54:32,397
But I would also like to address the challenges we face.

843
00:54:33,387 --> 00:54:38,157
Pennsylvania continues to struggle with significant literacy issues, with more than

844
00:54:38,307 --> 00:54:42,478
44% of third graders scoring basic or below basic on state assessments.

845
00:54:43,821 --> 00:54:47,991
Research consistently shows that early reading proficiency is strongly linked to

846
00:54:48,021 --> 00:54:49,716
long-term social and health outcomes.

847
00:54:50,376 --> 00:54:54,906
And here in Adams County, about one in five adults lack basic literacy, math, and

848
00:54:54,981 --> 00:54:56,182
problem-solving skills.

849
00:54:57,591 --> 00:55:01,071
Public libraries like ours are on the front lines of addressing these needs through

850
00:55:01,101 --> 00:55:05,587
early literacy programs, summer learning, and broad access to books and educational

851
00:55:05,661 --> 00:55:09,411
support for families. Yet the numbers tell a troubling story.

852
00:55:10,266 --> 00:55:16,027
Pennsylvania spends roughly $58,000 annually to house a single inmate but

853
00:55:16,041 --> 00:55:21,201
invests only about $5.77 per resident in public libraries.

854
00:55:21,291 --> 00:55:25,251
State funding has remained largely stagnant for decades, even as our costs continue

855
00:55:25,311 --> 00:55:25,777
to rise.

856
00:55:27,021 --> 00:55:30,471
This brings me to why I'm here tonight.

857
00:55:31,266 --> 00:55:34,851
The Adams County Library System receives vital support from 22 local

858
00:55:34,911 --> 00:55:40,552
municipalities. This funding, modest as it may seem, helps us

859
00:55:40,611 --> 00:55:44,016
maintain the high quality of services we offer to the people of Adams County.

860
00:55:45,471 --> 00:55:50,001
As a nonprofit organization, we rely heavily on fundraising to cover a significant

861
00:55:50,061 --> 00:55:54,712
portion of our operating budget. But municipal support remains essential, and we

862
00:55:54,741 --> 00:55:56,991
are deeply grateful for the partnership we share with you.

863
00:55:58,491 --> 00:56:02,601
On behalf of our board, our dedicated staff, and the thousands of residents who

864
00:56:02,661 --> 00:56:06,741
walk through our doors each year, especially those in Carroll Valley, who count on

865
00:56:06,831 --> 00:56:11,001
us every single day, I want to thank you for your continued support.

866
00:56:11,061 --> 00:56:14,751
Your investment enables us to provide books, movies, community programs, and so

867
00:56:14,811 --> 00:56:19,251
much more to your constituents. It keeps our doors open and our services accessible

868
00:56:19,311 --> 00:56:19,807
to everyone.

869
00:56:21,261 --> 00:56:25,326
We welcome the opportunity to continue this partnership and hope we can count on

870
00:56:25,341 --> 00:56:28,731
your continued support again next year. Thank you for your time.

871
00:56:29,706 --> 00:56:31,791
Thank you. And thank you for all you do.

872
00:56:35,601 --> 00:56:35,932
Okay,

873
00:56:37,221 --> 00:56:42,981
now Ordinance Number 2 2026, Chapter 22, Soldo

874
00:56:43,821 --> 00:56:47,661
Amendment for approval. Do we have a motion to approve?

875
00:56:48,261 --> 00:56:51,741
Motion to approve.

876
00:56:52,611 --> 00:56:53,121
Seconded.

877
00:56:53,481 --> 00:56:56,841
We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion?

878
00:57:01,821 --> 00:57:01,866
No.

879
00:57:01,911 --> 00:57:04,761
Hearing none,

880
00:57:07,161 --> 00:57:08,302
all in favor say aye.

881
00:57:08,826 --> 00:57:08,826
Aye.

882
00:57:09,321 --> 00:57:09,802
Aye.

883
00:57:11,212 --> 00:57:11,751
Opposed?

884
00:57:14,781 --> 00:57:16,011
You can move forward, Gail.

885
00:57:20,571 --> 00:57:22,866
The mayor's report. Mr. Mayor?

886
00:57:22,866 --> 00:57:28,731
Mayor, you're

887
00:57:28,746 --> 00:57:29,571
up.

888
00:57:29,601 --> 00:57:29,871
Yes.

889
00:57:30,471 --> 00:57:33,726
I know, but I want you to...

890
00:57:35,571 --> 00:57:35,691
Oh.

891
00:57:38,241 --> 00:57:38,571
Yes.

892
00:57:40,432 --> 00:57:45,261
I would like to take a moment of silence for September the 11th,

893
00:57:47,451 --> 00:57:53,361
as it recently passed. And to do that, you could read it across, but I'm going to

894
00:57:54,351 --> 00:57:59,302
say the numbers and the type of people that were lost.

895
00:58:00,891 --> 00:58:05,451
2,735 civilians in the World Trade Center,

896
00:58:06,441 --> 00:58:11,121
87 aboard American Airlines flight that hit the North Tower,

897
00:58:12,411 --> 00:58:16,672
60 aboard the United flight that hit the South Tower,

898
00:58:18,172 --> 00:58:23,422
343 people, New York City

899
00:58:23,991 --> 00:58:29,601
firefighters and rescue workers, 23 New York City law enforcement

900
00:58:29,721 --> 00:58:35,271
officers, 47 Port Authority workers, 37

901
00:58:35,571 --> 00:58:41,361
Port Authority police officers, 36 aboard United Flight 93 that

902
00:58:41,391 --> 00:58:42,891
crashed in Pennsylvania,

903
00:58:44,422 --> 00:58:49,851
64 aboard American Airlines flight that crashed into the

904
00:58:49,911 --> 00:58:55,432
Pentagon, 170, 125

905
00:58:55,521 --> 00:58:58,251
civilians and military in the Pentagon.

906
00:59:05,271 --> 00:59:07,432
Thank you. Next slide, please.

907
00:59:09,441 --> 00:59:14,152
Police report, around town coming events and in requiem.

908
00:59:14,661 --> 00:59:18,441
Next slide, please. Carroll Valley Police Department.

909
00:59:20,361 --> 00:59:26,091
Our chief is on a cruise. He is not here, but he did

910
00:59:26,152 --> 00:59:29,302
want me to bring it up to the council,

911
00:59:30,591 --> 00:59:36,021
medicine Take Back program, and there'll be a slide later on that he'll be

912
00:59:36,111 --> 00:59:40,731
addressing it. And then I think it's pronounced WEENA, right?

913
00:59:40,761 --> 00:59:44,361
WEENA Mobile is coming to Pippinfest.

914
00:59:46,011 --> 00:59:51,771
I think it's on Sunday, and good time to take a picture.

915
00:59:53,182 --> 00:59:58,672
He also wanted to bring to everybody's attention, we know this weekend is going to

916
00:59:58,701 --> 01:00:04,402
have a lot of people driving through Fairfield, so be

917
01:00:04,491 --> 01:00:09,861
careful. Next slide, please. Around town. Next slide, please.

918
01:00:10,821 --> 01:00:13,462
September the 11th, we had a blood drive.

919
01:00:13,491 --> 01:00:17,302
The results were 28 donors,

920
01:00:18,501 --> 01:00:24,172
26 units were collected, which saved 78 local

921
01:00:24,185 --> 01:00:30,052
lives. Next blood drive is going to be November 30th, and I'll bring it

922
01:00:30,141 --> 01:00:32,902
up to your attention. Next slide, please.

923
01:00:34,971 --> 01:00:38,481
This has been such a hit and maybe

924
01:00:40,672 --> 01:00:42,321
Gail will say a few words about it.

925
01:00:43,581 --> 01:00:49,101
I crossed out 9/11 because we passed 9/11. Next slide, please.

926
01:00:50,422 --> 01:00:56,091
I'd like to just say Parks and Rec put on an awesome blood drive.

927
01:01:02,811 --> 01:01:06,052
Volunteers there have enjoying what they've done.

928
01:01:09,021 --> 01:01:14,091
Next slide, please. Gail, would you want to mention what was done?

929
01:01:14,736 --> 01:01:19,807
We did the, as you said, the Parks and Rec committee, the chairman specifically,

930
01:01:21,261 --> 01:01:26,001
wanted us to reach out to the local fire departments and ambulance crews, which we

931
01:01:26,031 --> 01:01:30,891
did, and we were blessed with Fairfield, Fountaindale, and Arms.

932
01:01:31,011 --> 01:01:36,261
All three brought units and their staff with them.

933
01:01:38,841 --> 01:01:39,501
The one

934
01:01:40,701 --> 01:01:41,361
food truck,

935
01:01:43,221 --> 01:01:48,876
Dirty Pop Sodas, is actually owned and run by a firefighter,

936
01:01:49,521 --> 01:01:55,087
and they had a special drink that evening, and a local donor, anonymous,

937
01:01:56,481 --> 01:01:58,041
offered free

938
01:01:59,511 --> 01:02:05,361
drink from their place for any active member of a

939
01:02:05,422 --> 01:02:10,341
fire department or first responder, police, whatever,

940
01:02:11,182 --> 01:02:16,971
and they were visited by several. So I understand that that went over very well.

941
01:02:17,061 --> 01:02:21,111
So we would like to thank the departments for coming down.

942
01:02:21,381 --> 01:02:24,081
We also had a police cruiser there and a police officer.

943
01:02:24,141 --> 01:02:28,971
So Chief made sure that our police department was represented as well,

944
01:02:29,902 --> 01:02:34,656
and we want to say thank you. Food Truck Fridays have been an incredible success,

945
01:02:34,911 --> 01:02:38,031
and it was nice to be able to use that event to say thank you.

946
01:02:39,111 --> 01:02:40,701
Next slide, please.

947
01:02:43,371 --> 01:02:48,547
September the 10th, which is also passed, has been

948
01:02:49,071 --> 01:02:51,531
designated as suicide prevention.

949
01:02:53,511 --> 01:02:56,271
You could read the script that I placed below.

950
01:02:57,981 --> 01:03:00,172
If you know of someone

951
01:03:02,241 --> 01:03:06,996
that is questioning that they have a problem and they don't know how

952
01:03:07,071 --> 01:03:11,361
to navigate solving that problem,

953
01:03:13,851 --> 01:03:14,422
please

954
01:03:16,011 --> 01:03:20,932
call. You call, not the person who's talking about something.

955
01:03:21,712 --> 01:03:27,172
You call and talk to the people, and they'll guide you on what to

956
01:03:27,231 --> 01:03:33,036
do. Adams County, we've lost 24 lives.

957
01:03:36,741 --> 01:03:37,581
Next slide, please.

958
01:03:38,991 --> 01:03:43,221
Upcoming events. Next slide, please. We all know it, right?

959
01:03:44,271 --> 01:03:45,172
Pippinfest

960
01:03:47,943 --> 01:03:52,217
Both days. I think Saturday they do the community

961
01:03:53,733 --> 01:03:56,733
day. I have something that I could sell

962
01:03:58,114 --> 01:04:02,433
on Sunday is actually the one celebrating.

963
01:04:03,663 --> 01:04:09,273
Next slide, please. Gail, you want to figure out what I was

964
01:04:09,663 --> 01:04:13,084
trying to figure out with that thing in the middle of the thing?

965
01:04:15,364 --> 01:04:15,829
The QR code.

966
01:04:15,993 --> 01:04:19,443
Oh, once again, yes. Once again, the Recreation

967
01:04:20,853 --> 01:04:26,554
Committee is sponsoring the yard sale map. This has been quite successful for us.

968
01:04:26,793 --> 01:04:32,598
We will put anyone in the area, doesn't have to be just Carroll Valley Borough, but

969
01:04:32,614 --> 01:04:38,088
in the area for $10. And, yes, if you scan the

970
01:04:39,183 --> 01:04:43,503
code there in the center that's green, has our little symbol in it, it will take

971
01:04:43,563 --> 01:04:46,443
you directly to the

972
01:04:47,463 --> 01:04:51,123
bit.ly/pivonfest-

973
01:04:51,603 --> 01:04:53,043
Pivon sale.

974
01:04:53,058 --> 01:04:55,983
Pivon sale. Sorry, I can't see through Josh's head. Sorry about that.

975
01:04:58,473 --> 01:05:02,253
But it'll take you directly there. Sign up. You can pay online.

976
01:05:03,574 --> 01:05:06,993
Give us a description of where you are, what you're selling.

977
01:05:07,623 --> 01:05:11,433
As I said, it's been very well received, so hopefully we get a lot more

978
01:05:11,463 --> 01:05:12,063
participants.

979
01:05:13,713 --> 01:05:19,218
You mean my wife will sell my... Never mind. That's a personal problem.

980
01:05:19,324 --> 01:05:20,253
Next slide, please.

981
01:05:20,343 --> 01:05:21,873
Yeah, we're signing up without you now.

982
01:05:22,413 --> 01:05:22,804
Yeah.

983
01:05:22,834 --> 01:05:25,112
She's going to send you away and sell your stuff on the yard.

984
01:05:25,143 --> 01:05:28,834
Yeah. Thank you very much. Out of bounds for October.

985
01:05:28,893 --> 01:05:33,364
Out of bounds outside Carroll Valley. So you can take a look at two things.

986
01:05:34,353 --> 01:05:39,318
And it might be, I know there's some people that are interested in a second one and

987
01:05:39,364 --> 01:05:43,473
cycling on weekends, and I put down the ad.

988
01:05:44,763 --> 01:05:50,193
You see it says, "Bike tours by Linda at Hawaii," whatever, "hoo."

989
01:05:52,204 --> 01:05:56,253
So the idea of being there... What are you laughing about?

990
01:05:57,273 --> 01:06:00,273
I don't know what you just said, but it sounded like a why and a who.

991
01:06:02,043 --> 01:06:02,824
I said on Hawaii.

992
01:06:03,003 --> 01:06:05,013
It's Yahoo! Yahoo.

993
01:06:05,463 --> 01:06:08,074
Oh, Yahoo. That's how you say it. Okay.

994
01:06:08,463 --> 01:06:09,153
Not yoo-hoo.

995
01:06:09,393 --> 01:06:11,554
So anyway, next slide, please.

996
01:06:13,023 --> 01:06:17,343
Senate bill. Law takes effect October the 19th,

997
01:06:18,663 --> 01:06:18,903
right?

998
01:06:19,413 --> 01:06:19,878
Hope it works.

999
01:06:19,893 --> 01:06:25,383
This is about telemarketing. So I would make a

1000
01:06:25,443 --> 01:06:31,143
telephone call if you get a telemarketer doing something.

1001
01:06:33,693 --> 01:06:34,773
Next slide, please.

1002
01:06:36,753 --> 01:06:42,513
This is coming from the attorney general, and it has to do with a

1003
01:06:42,873 --> 01:06:43,383
medical

1004
01:06:44,614 --> 01:06:45,093
app.

1005
01:06:46,293 --> 01:06:52,084
And the medical app is MyChart. I don't know in our particular area, but some

1006
01:06:52,143 --> 01:06:53,943
people may use that as...

1007
01:06:55,204 --> 01:07:00,183
All right. Mine is WellSpan. But if you use MyChart,

1008
01:07:01,204 --> 01:07:04,023
if you get a message,

1009
01:07:05,373 --> 01:07:10,683
delete it. Don't unsubscribe. If you do unsubscribe, guess what?

1010
01:07:10,834 --> 01:07:14,584
You had to do a click. That means they're going to get you.

1011
01:07:16,114 --> 01:07:18,003
Right? So be careful about this.

1012
01:07:18,483 --> 01:07:23,973
I got a brief on that today, Ron. And in fact, the site looks

1013
01:07:24,033 --> 01:07:26,087
exactly like the MyChart site there.

1014
01:07:26,133 --> 01:07:29,959
It's very evolved as far as how they're designing it, so people think that it's

1015
01:07:30,033 --> 01:07:33,183
actually their doctor's office sending them an email, and then they go and click on

1016
01:07:33,213 --> 01:07:36,153
it, and yeah, they're getting a lot of people.

1017
01:07:36,783 --> 01:07:38,704
So it's the second time I've heard it today.

1018
01:07:39,753 --> 01:07:41,013
Thank you for saying that.

1019
01:07:44,584 --> 01:07:48,304
Hopefully everybody had time to read. Next slide, please.

1020
01:07:50,973 --> 01:07:54,993
October the 24th, COVID device recycling.

1021
01:07:55,413 --> 01:08:00,364
So computers, you can see the list. The list is published.

1022
01:08:02,343 --> 01:08:05,372
Recycling, where you can see where.

1023
01:08:07,263 --> 01:08:07,804
Next slide.

1024
01:08:08,013 --> 01:08:08,763
Sorry, I won't do it.

1025
01:08:09,063 --> 01:08:15,003
No, that's okay. Here's the medicine take back, 24th also

1026
01:08:15,033 --> 01:08:15,858
from 10:00 to

1027
01:08:16,143 --> 01:08:21,723
2:00. Next slide,

1028
01:08:21,813 --> 01:08:22,204
please.

1029
01:08:24,033 --> 01:08:28,743
I'm turning it over to Gail once again because of recreation.

1030
01:08:30,454 --> 01:08:31,563
This is just an early

1031
01:08:33,424 --> 01:08:39,033
warning for you, or save the date for the Trunk or Treat.

1032
01:08:39,228 --> 01:08:42,364
It's become a very popular event for us.

1033
01:08:43,053 --> 01:08:45,993
If you would like to be a trunk, please sign up.

1034
01:08:46,834 --> 01:08:51,543
We are also having food trucks that day because it is a Saturday, so the event is

1035
01:08:51,574 --> 01:08:55,803
going to go from 3:00 till 8:00. The trunk-or-treating itself will be from 5:00 to

1036
01:08:56,223 --> 01:08:56,283
7:00.

1037
01:08:57,904 --> 01:09:01,533
As I said, please give us a call. We'll sign you up for the Trunk or Treat.

1038
01:09:01,983 --> 01:09:05,853
Otherwise, bring your kids down to trick-or-treat here and have some dinner.

1039
01:09:09,574 --> 01:09:13,233
Next slide, please. In rec we... Next slide, please.

1040
01:09:17,733 --> 01:09:18,813
Next slide, please.

1041
01:09:26,193 --> 01:09:27,243
Next slide, please.

1042
01:09:28,654 --> 01:09:29,463
Thank you for listening.

1043
01:09:30,183 --> 01:09:30,917
Before we move on,

1044
01:09:32,523 --> 01:09:34,324
I'd like to say something about the police department.

1045
01:09:35,283 --> 01:09:40,803
My charity had a charity motorcycle ride go through Carroll Valley and

1046
01:09:40,893 --> 01:09:43,174
Fairfield a few weeks back for a local resident.

1047
01:09:43,803 --> 01:09:49,324
And one of the officers helped us with some traffic control at the corner of Jacks

1048
01:09:49,353 --> 01:09:52,773
Mountain and 116. I just wanted to thank the police department for doing that for

1049
01:09:52,834 --> 01:09:53,074
us.

1050
01:09:57,483 --> 01:09:58,803
The officer's name is Reed.

1051
01:10:02,913 --> 01:10:03,513
Thank you.

1052
01:10:07,443 --> 01:10:13,023
Okay. We received the Arms Fairfield Fire Department and

1053
01:10:13,084 --> 01:10:15,843
Fountain Dale Fire Department reports.

1054
01:10:16,743 --> 01:10:21,483
Any comments with regard to those reports?

1055
01:10:25,473 --> 01:10:30,663
Thank you to all three of those organizations for providing their reports for last

1056
01:10:30,723 --> 01:10:31,023
month.

1057
01:10:32,973 --> 01:10:36,603
Committee reports. Park and Recreation Committee.

1058
01:10:40,563 --> 01:10:42,033
We got their report. Any

1059
01:10:43,653 --> 01:10:44,388
comments with regard to the-

1060
01:10:44,433 --> 01:10:47,643
I think it's amazing as much as they have done.

1061
01:10:48,453 --> 01:10:51,243
If you look at that report, it's phenomenal-

1062
01:10:51,363 --> 01:10:51,633
Yeah

1063
01:10:52,592 --> 01:10:57,003
... they're planning on doing. It's just a ton of stuff that they're doing, and I

1064
01:10:57,033 --> 01:10:57,752
think it's great.

1065
01:10:58,893 --> 01:10:59,403
I agree.

1066
01:10:59,733 --> 01:11:00,753
Agreed.

1067
01:11:00,783 --> 01:11:03,153
Paul. Richard, I did miss, I wanted to mention that

1068
01:11:06,513 --> 01:11:10,593
Mountain Dale did say that they took on two more junior members, so good for them,

1069
01:11:10,653 --> 01:11:13,563
and that's awesome that they're getting the youth involved in the volunteer program

1070
01:11:13,593 --> 01:11:14,433
at the fire department.

1071
01:11:14,763 --> 01:11:14,973
Good.

1072
01:11:17,823 --> 01:11:21,334
And Michael, you want to say anything about the Planning Commission report?

1073
01:11:23,043 --> 01:11:24,093
particularly.

1074
01:11:24,873 --> 01:11:28,668
Okay. Everybody's at it. They breathe, right?

1075
01:11:28,683 --> 01:11:31,383
Three new topics, yeah. Three new topics we're working on.

1076
01:11:31,473 --> 01:11:33,753
So it's all there in the memo.

1077
01:11:34,803 --> 01:11:40,473
Okay. Well, thank you to Jenny Jorell and Michael White for their reports.

1078
01:11:41,463 --> 01:11:46,383
Administrative business. Treasurer's report for August 2026.

1079
01:11:48,063 --> 01:11:48,424
Dave?

1080
01:11:50,613 --> 01:11:53,223
Yeah. You got it.

1081
01:11:53,358 --> 01:11:54,393
Anything to say about that?

1082
01:11:55,143 --> 01:11:55,188
Nope.

1083
01:11:55,188 --> 01:11:56,223
Nope? Okay.

1084
01:11:57,063 --> 01:12:00,438
I would normally say if they are provided for you, if you have any questions, I'll

1085
01:12:00,543 --> 01:12:01,743
ask Gail to answer them for you.

1086
01:12:03,348 --> 01:12:03,348
Okay.

1087
01:12:03,393 --> 01:12:05,913
So, do we have a motion to approve?

1088
01:12:06,273 --> 01:12:07,263
Motion to approve.

1089
01:12:08,313 --> 01:12:08,853
Seconded.

1090
01:12:09,063 --> 01:12:12,933
We have a motion and a second. Any discussion by council members?

1091
01:12:15,603 --> 01:12:18,663
Hearing none, all in favor say aye.

1092
01:12:18,993 --> 01:12:19,592
Aye.

1093
01:12:19,924 --> 01:12:20,178
Aye.

1094
01:12:20,178 --> 01:12:20,178
Aye.

1095
01:12:20,178 --> 01:12:20,674
Opposed?

1096
01:12:22,803 --> 01:12:23,763
It's unanimous, Gail.

1097
01:12:24,093 --> 01:12:24,483
Thank you.

1098
01:12:26,973 --> 01:12:30,513
2027 MMO transmittal.

1099
01:12:32,283 --> 01:12:37,983
Yeah. We specifically, Gail and I, are required by law to notify you,

1100
01:12:38,733 --> 01:12:44,598
at this time of the year, of the form that was filled out, which is outlining what

1101
01:12:44,703 --> 01:12:50,448
our minimum municipal obligation will be in the plan year 2027 for both your

1102
01:12:50,463 --> 01:12:55,368
uniforms and non-uniformed pension plans. And so we consider that done.

1103
01:12:55,413 --> 01:12:59,553
But I do always like to remind everybody, since we will be getting into the budget

1104
01:12:59,584 --> 01:13:03,018
soon, that there's a couple of line items in the budget that I take literally right

1105
01:13:03,063 --> 01:13:03,948
from this piece of paper

1106
01:13:11,577 --> 01:13:16,137
The LSA Grant Bathroom RFP.

1107
01:13:18,627 --> 01:13:23,277
Yeah, if you'll recall, we had an LSA grant approved, and we've been doing little

1108
01:13:23,697 --> 01:13:27,597
projects in the park. It was overall improvements to Carroll Commons.

1109
01:13:27,657 --> 01:13:32,127
This is another part of that. Quite frankly, I think it's the last part of that

1110
01:13:32,187 --> 01:13:37,676
grant, to build a small restroom on the other side of the...

1111
01:13:38,457 --> 01:13:41,367
Can I say crick? Am I allowed to say crick, or is that- You can ...

1112
01:13:42,207 --> 01:13:46,407
on the other side of the crick, because apparently it's too hard to walk up here to

1113
01:13:46,437 --> 01:13:47,097
go to the bathroom.

1114
01:13:48,597 --> 01:13:54,567
I kid a little. Anyway, so what we've given you is an

1115
01:13:54,657 --> 01:14:00,416
invitation to bid packet, and in order to move that project

1116
01:14:00,447 --> 01:14:01,377
forward, we're

1117
01:14:04,137 --> 01:14:08,247
proposing a seven-foot-by-seven-foot ADA-compliant restroom facility in the park.

1118
01:14:08,547 --> 01:14:12,207
So this would be that invitation to try to find bidders.

1119
01:14:13,332 --> 01:14:17,427
And as I told you the last time we talked about bidding in general, utilizing

1120
01:14:17,517 --> 01:14:18,777
online bid,

1121
01:14:20,037 --> 01:14:22,992
PennBid in particular, would be one of our options also.

1122
01:14:23,728 --> 01:14:26,997
Because this is a small project, our hopes are that we'll actually get a good

1123
01:14:27,057 --> 01:14:30,927
turnout of bidders locally, so we didn't want to do it solely on PennBid.

1124
01:14:31,017 --> 01:14:36,357
So it would be a mix of both taking electronic bids and then also the paper bid

1125
01:14:36,417 --> 01:14:38,397
process that we have not really done.

1126
01:14:39,252 --> 01:14:43,137
It would be great if we could get a local resident to bid for that and

1127
01:14:44,547 --> 01:14:44,877
get it.

1128
01:14:46,017 --> 01:14:49,633
Yeah, I think it would be great if that happened, too, as long as they're the

1129
01:14:49,677 --> 01:14:50,742
lowest bidder, because that's all that-

1130
01:14:50,817 --> 01:14:51,297
I get that

1131
01:14:51,327 --> 01:14:51,327
...

1132
01:14:53,127 --> 01:14:56,277
sorry. Price matters in our world.

1133
01:14:56,292 --> 01:15:00,957
Does.

1134
01:15:01,737 --> 01:15:03,042
Move to approve.

1135
01:15:04,287 --> 01:15:06,387
So do we have a motion to approve?

1136
01:15:06,567 --> 01:15:07,707
Motion to approve.

1137
01:15:07,752 --> 01:15:07,752
Second.

1138
01:15:10,077 --> 01:15:11,218
Any discussion?

1139
01:15:14,142 --> 01:15:15,957
And you said it's going to be handicapped accessible?

1140
01:15:16,287 --> 01:15:17,697
Yes, sir.

1141
01:15:20,157 --> 01:15:21,237
Any other discussion?

1142
01:15:24,027 --> 01:15:25,947
Hearing none, all in favor say aye.

1143
01:15:26,997 --> 01:15:27,237
Aye.

1144
01:15:27,297 --> 01:15:27,687
Opposed?

1145
01:15:30,267 --> 01:15:30,987
It's unanimous, Gail.

1146
01:15:31,287 --> 01:15:34,917
Okay.

1147
01:15:35,667 --> 01:15:39,267
Unfinished business, grant funding updates.

1148
01:15:44,097 --> 01:15:49,377
I think it's amazing what GMS has done for us over the years, and I'd love for you

1149
01:15:49,407 --> 01:15:53,337
to be able to let her know that. She is just out of this world.

1150
01:15:54,387 --> 01:15:56,487
I don't think the citizens understand,

1151
01:15:57,687 --> 01:15:59,997
I would even venture to say the millions-

1152
01:16:00,177 --> 01:16:01,797
Yeah, I'll let Harlan know

1153
01:16:01,827 --> 01:16:03,807
... Yeah, the millions of dollars.

1154
01:16:03,927 --> 01:16:05,367
It's a he now. That's fine.

1155
01:16:05,383 --> 01:16:05,787
It's a he. Sorry, yeah.

1156
01:16:06,027 --> 01:16:10,182
It's okay. But they do a great job, and I actually have hot-off-the-press news that

1157
01:16:10,287 --> 01:16:15,883
just came out this afternoon, that for those of you familiar with the sewer

1158
01:16:15,957 --> 01:16:21,117
project that we've been kind of delaying out on Country Club Trail, we were awarded

1159
01:16:21,207 --> 01:16:26,996
just this afternoon half a million dollars toward that project as well, with

1160
01:16:27,086 --> 01:16:32,187
GMS's help. So they keep finding us money and making it

1161
01:16:32,397 --> 01:16:38,307
successful. They are worth every single penny we pay them, and I'm just

1162
01:16:38,397 --> 01:16:41,037
tickled that we'll be able to move that project forward, and that's going to make

1163
01:16:41,127 --> 01:16:44,937
quite a difference to the residents out there when we complete that project.

1164
01:16:44,997 --> 01:16:45,147
So-

1165
01:16:45,237 --> 01:16:46,617
Thank you for pushing that, Dave.

1166
01:16:46,707 --> 01:16:48,927
Did we get all that we were asking for?

1167
01:16:49,107 --> 01:16:54,567
No, but we had asked for, I think, 750,000. We were awarded 800?

1168
01:16:55,107 --> 01:16:58,647
800. She said we asked for 800,000. We were awarded half a million.

1169
01:16:59,037 --> 01:17:01,647
But according to the press release,

1170
01:17:01,737 --> 01:17:07,677
there's going to be a press release that comes from our office, too,

1171
01:17:08,277 --> 01:17:12,822
and I'm going from my memory right now, but there were requests in the trillions,

1172
01:17:12,867 --> 01:17:17,667
and they were only able to fund 300 and some million, and we were one of them.

1173
01:17:17,728 --> 01:17:20,457
So, it wasn't just that they funded everybody.

1174
01:17:20,517 --> 01:17:26,172
We had a competitive application, and with GMS's help and support of

1175
01:17:27,057 --> 01:17:30,687
our elected officials, our local leaders, we were able to do that.

1176
01:17:30,747 --> 01:17:35,637
So I know they didn't know that whenever they wrote this update for you last week,

1177
01:17:35,728 --> 01:17:40,317
so I wanted to let everybody know the good news on that end as well.

1178
01:17:40,978 --> 01:17:41,997
It helps.

1179
01:17:45,237 --> 01:17:49,857
Any update on the Penn Trails

1180
01:17:51,777 --> 01:17:53,607
beyond what is in this report,

1181
01:17:55,527 --> 01:17:58,167
the proposals on September 10?

1182
01:18:00,327 --> 01:18:04,691
We opened the bids, and we're in the process of evaluating the bids with Penn

1183
01:18:04,797 --> 01:18:07,872
Trails. We just didn't feel comfortable.

1184
01:18:07,887 --> 01:18:13,527
There were a number of bids, but the prices were all over the place.

1185
01:18:13,587 --> 01:18:17,517
So we're going to do a deep dive into the proposals to try to get a feel for why

1186
01:18:17,532 --> 01:18:22,047
they were so different and make sure that we've provided a good recommendation to

1187
01:18:22,077 --> 01:18:25,377
council, and the committee wanted to see it before you guys did.

1188
01:18:25,437 --> 01:18:31,422
So the intention is the award for that will be on your next agenda in October.

1189
01:18:37,978 --> 01:18:40,978
Okay. Next up is lot sales.

1190
01:18:44,037 --> 01:18:44,968
Okay. So

1191
01:18:47,427 --> 01:18:52,557
these together, we did get some of the appraisals back.

1192
01:18:54,807 --> 01:18:57,492
I'm going to go down the list, and I'm going

1193
01:18:58,707 --> 01:19:03,851
to go in my order. So bear with me here, because not all of them are new to this

1194
01:19:03,867 --> 01:19:05,697
process that are on the list.

1195
01:19:07,167 --> 01:19:10,617
15 Mason Dixon, as a reminder, that's number one on the list.

1196
01:19:10,737 --> 01:19:16,197
That is one that we had previously awarded, and the person decided that they didn't

1197
01:19:16,258 --> 01:19:20,577
want it any longer. So that is back on the list again.

1198
01:19:21,387 --> 01:19:27,147
Number two is because I had a resident reach out to me, and they now live next to

1199
01:19:27,207 --> 01:19:31,107
Six Burr Trail, and they want to buy it. You've put that out to bid several times.

1200
01:19:31,737 --> 01:19:37,062
So either that goes back out to auction, or you authorize Dave, I'm speaking about

1201
01:19:37,107 --> 01:19:41,622
myself in the third person, to negotiate and bring a best offer from that

1202
01:19:41,697 --> 01:19:46,377
individual property owner. Really up to you guys how you want to process that one.

1203
01:19:47,127 --> 01:19:49,407
Remember what that was appraised for?

1204
01:19:49,527 --> 01:19:49,542
I

1205
01:19:51,747 --> 01:19:52,677
don't, but it

1206
01:19:53,937 --> 01:19:59,008
was high because it did pass

1207
01:19:59,817 --> 01:20:00,267
PERC,

1208
01:20:01,737 --> 01:20:04,167
but the site has a lot of issues.

1209
01:20:04,197 --> 01:20:05,817
Challenges. I'm familiar with that lot.

1210
01:20:06,087 --> 01:20:11,847
Yeah, and there are extenuating circumstances even

1211
01:20:11,907 --> 01:20:15,537
with the PERC result itself that I'm not real comfortable with.

1212
01:20:15,657 --> 01:20:21,522
So I'm not sure that the appraiser had enough information to give us a good

1213
01:20:21,522 --> 01:20:25,677
appraisal on it, and I think that's pretty indicative that it probably wasn't

1214
01:20:25,707 --> 01:20:28,287
correct since there was no interest in buying it.

1215
01:20:28,347 --> 01:20:29,037
So-

1216
01:20:29,097 --> 01:20:30,356
Like this from the road.

1217
01:20:30,417 --> 01:20:35,728
Yeah. The reality is that the best thing that could happen to this lot is it be

1218
01:20:35,787 --> 01:20:37,377
added to the neighboring property,

1219
01:20:38,607 --> 01:20:42,656
one side or the other. I didn't want to pick one, so I put it on this list.

1220
01:20:43,137 --> 01:20:46,887
If you want me to negotiate with the one resident who asked, I can.

1221
01:20:46,947 --> 01:20:51,657
I'll do it however council directs me to do it, but I wanted to specify and get

1222
01:20:51,718 --> 01:20:54,327
that in front of you right now.

1223
01:20:58,857 --> 01:21:02,487
My only concern is that we've told people before

1224
01:21:03,807 --> 01:21:06,117
that they have to go through the process.

1225
01:21:06,327 --> 01:21:09,807
Well, right, and this lot has gone through the process now.

1226
01:21:10,228 --> 01:21:13,047
All I'm saying is if we wanted to, we could negotiate.

1227
01:21:13,587 --> 01:21:14,517
I happen to feel

1228
01:21:16,258 --> 01:21:21,447
I don't want to pick favorites. The other person on the other side might want it,

1229
01:21:21,478 --> 01:21:25,677
too. The other person on the back might want it, too. We don't really know.

1230
01:21:25,737 --> 01:21:26,397
We won't know.

1231
01:21:26,487 --> 01:21:26,997
Well, if it's-

1232
01:21:27,267 --> 01:21:29,667
There's nobody on the other side. I know that.

1233
01:21:29,728 --> 01:21:31,407
Well, but there's still a parcel.

1234
01:21:31,468 --> 01:21:32,968
But there is somebody that backs up to it.

1235
01:21:33,357 --> 01:21:38,817
And the person on the other side of that parcel was actually who had asked us to

1236
01:21:38,847 --> 01:21:44,037
put it up for sale initially. Now, I think that has changed ownership and stuff.

1237
01:21:44,127 --> 01:21:48,747
So the reality is it may only be still the one person interested.

1238
01:21:48,807 --> 01:21:49,572
But

1239
01:21:50,847 --> 01:21:54,432
if you put it out to bid, my recommendation is making the minimum bid nothing and

1240
01:21:54,478 --> 01:21:57,867
seeing what you get in terms of the highest bid.

1241
01:21:59,037 --> 01:22:00,853
I think that you could do it either way.

1242
01:22:00,987 --> 01:22:04,137
I think that Zach thinks that you can do it either way.

1243
01:22:04,197 --> 01:22:07,287
I just spoke for him and hoped he didn't correct me.

1244
01:22:07,812 --> 01:22:08,247
And

1245
01:22:09,508 --> 01:22:10,527
so really, whatever you want to do.

1246
01:22:10,557 --> 01:22:13,347
We can take it off this list, and I can talk to him, or we'll leave it on the list

1247
01:22:13,377 --> 01:22:15,747
and go through the auction. Whatever council wants to do.

1248
01:22:16,377 --> 01:22:17,367
Well, if we went

1249
01:22:20,277 --> 01:22:25,497
If we went through the auction, we could tell the owners of the abutting

1250
01:22:25,587 --> 01:22:28,797
properties that it's going to go up.

1251
01:22:29,877 --> 01:22:33,147
And that's part of a process. We'll do that for everyone on the list.

1252
01:22:33,957 --> 01:22:37,377
So everybody gets personal notification if you have an adjoining property.

1253
01:22:38,787 --> 01:22:40,857
So then that should work to-

1254
01:22:41,487 --> 01:22:45,357
It had originally appraised at 22,000. Thank you, Gail.

1255
01:22:50,067 --> 01:22:55,978
Rather than just inviting the three around it, wouldn't it be better to just

1256
01:22:56,067 --> 01:23:00,207
tell them that it's going to go up and then let anybody bid?

1257
01:23:00,867 --> 01:23:03,747
Yeah, that's probably the fair way. Yeah.

1258
01:23:06,207 --> 01:23:08,758
If you weren't asking me, I hope, because I'm not going to answer that.

1259
01:23:08,968 --> 01:23:13,107
But that's okay. You guys were elected into office to make decisions like that.

1260
01:23:13,197 --> 01:23:14,367
I don't know what's fair and what isn't.

1261
01:23:14,397 --> 01:23:17,728
Two things. It's been for sale once or twice? Twice.

1262
01:23:17,997 --> 01:23:18,447
And no-

1263
01:23:19,137 --> 01:23:21,657
Might even have been three times. It was several times.

1264
01:23:22,152 --> 01:23:22,152
It was three times.

1265
01:23:22,197 --> 01:23:25,437
At that point then, we have discretion to-

1266
01:23:25,737 --> 01:23:26,008
Got you

1267
01:23:26,037 --> 01:23:29,277
... get rid of it the way we want and get other properties on the list.

1268
01:23:29,517 --> 01:23:29,847
So I'm

1269
01:23:31,407 --> 01:23:35,383
in favor of just negotiating, getting this property out of the way-

1270
01:23:36,537 --> 01:23:36,883
That's what we want

1271
01:23:36,883 --> 01:23:40,197
... getting a property that's maybe a little bit more valuable on the list.

1272
01:23:40,677 --> 01:23:42,312
Is it one that we pay tax on?

1273
01:23:44,127 --> 01:23:44,817
I don't believe so.

1274
01:23:48,837 --> 01:23:51,147
Well, then we definitely got an obvious visit.

1275
01:23:53,667 --> 01:23:54,777
As many as we can.

1276
01:23:54,927 --> 01:23:55,557
We're trying.

1277
01:23:55,887 --> 01:23:59,427
I'm okay with either way, as long as we don't set that ridiculous appraisal price

1278
01:23:59,457 --> 01:23:59,758
on it.

1279
01:24:01,827 --> 01:24:06,042
Well, I appreciate you guys being able to make a decision, but you're hung right

1280
01:24:06,117 --> 01:24:07,782
now, so someone's got to tell me what-

1281
01:24:07,797 --> 01:24:09,282
So do we have to vote on this? Do we have to vote?

1282
01:24:09,297 --> 01:24:12,687
You don't have to vote on it. I just would like direction from the majority.

1283
01:24:12,837 --> 01:24:17,667
I'll say, like I'll disagree with what they're saying just to

1284
01:24:18,777 --> 01:24:19,857
get us from the hung jury.

1285
01:24:19,887 --> 01:24:24,387
I say if it's been for sale twice at least with no offers, I say let Dave negotiate

1286
01:24:24,417 --> 01:24:27,057
if there's a resident that's interested then.

1287
01:24:27,117 --> 01:24:29,037
Yeah.

1288
01:24:29,367 --> 01:24:34,317
Well, yeah, Dale said it was three times, so I can go along with it.

1289
01:24:34,377 --> 01:24:36,582
Negotiate with the property owner who requested it?

1290
01:24:36,718 --> 01:24:37,407
Appreciate her highlighting, Dave.

1291
01:24:37,978 --> 01:24:41,667
I drive a hard bargain on lots that I can't wait to get rid of.

1292
01:24:44,277 --> 01:24:49,197
Well, I guess the question then is, do we just go to the one who has asked for it

1293
01:24:50,367 --> 01:24:52,017
or do we talk to all of them?

1294
01:24:52,468 --> 01:24:52,947
I think I was-

1295
01:24:53,037 --> 01:24:54,627
Let them bid against each other

1296
01:24:55,258 --> 01:24:57,297
Would you like me to reach out to all the-

1297
01:24:57,327 --> 01:24:57,343
Yes

1298
01:24:57,343 --> 01:24:58,737
... adjoining property owners?

1299
01:24:58,978 --> 01:24:59,247
Yes.

1300
01:24:59,307 --> 01:25:00,372
And I'll do that.

1301
01:25:00,807 --> 01:25:01,557
Because that's just fair.

1302
01:25:01,617 --> 01:25:06,057
That's a good middle ground there, then it doesn't get any builders or anybody

1303
01:25:06,087 --> 01:25:10,647
involved. It just keeps... And then with whomever purchasing it, they would

1304
01:25:10,707 --> 01:25:14,728
understand that our requirement would be that the property needs to be added, the

1305
01:25:14,758 --> 01:25:16,827
property line needs to be dissolved.

1306
01:25:16,857 --> 01:25:17,218
Right.

1307
01:25:17,247 --> 01:25:18,718
Okay. I'll do that. I'll take care of that.

1308
01:25:18,777 --> 01:25:22,077
So that would come off of this notice then, that individual lot.

1309
01:25:23,218 --> 01:25:29,187
68 Shirley Trail was on a previous, but we had gotten a bid, but not a bid that met

1310
01:25:29,277 --> 01:25:34,077
the appraisal value. I had it reappraised this time around, because the last

1311
01:25:34,137 --> 01:25:37,437
appraisal was a good bit higher than what is here now.

1312
01:25:38,547 --> 01:25:43,677
So 68 Shirley Trail and then the two new ones to the list are 10 Martin and 43

1313
01:25:43,737 --> 01:25:47,307
Skylake. They both passed PERC and were appraised, and you can see their values.

1314
01:25:47,427 --> 01:25:47,607
So,

1315
01:25:50,517 --> 01:25:54,807
if there's any specific questions on those lots, I'm glad to do my best to answer

1316
01:25:54,867 --> 01:25:59,637
them. It's taken us quite some time, a lot longer than I anticipated to get to this

1317
01:25:59,667 --> 01:26:02,787
sale. I was hoping to do another one this year, and I don't know that we will.

1318
01:26:05,307 --> 01:26:05,517
But

1319
01:26:06,718 --> 01:26:11,937
once we get this one complete, the next sale needs to be more focused on anything

1320
01:26:11,997 --> 01:26:14,607
that we're paying taxes on and things of that nature.

1321
01:26:14,637 --> 01:26:16,857
Do we have any more sewered lots that are on our...

1322
01:26:17,877 --> 01:26:23,397
We have several sewered lots that we've kicked around the idea of

1323
01:26:23,487 --> 01:26:23,907
selling.

1324
01:26:26,097 --> 01:26:30,327
Most notably the several that we had talked about a couple of months ago on

1325
01:26:30,537 --> 01:26:36,447
Crossland Trail. There's four lots there that there's some floodplain issues

1326
01:26:36,508 --> 01:26:41,037
with them, so there would need to be some lot line reconfiguration, but we never

1327
01:26:41,127 --> 01:26:45,057
really got to the bottom of what we wanted to do, and so I never had it appraised

1328
01:26:45,357 --> 01:26:49,077
yet, because we had others that were on the list.

1329
01:26:49,317 --> 01:26:55,287
What do you think if you do those lot lines, you re-look at the lot lines, how do

1330
01:26:55,317 --> 01:26:57,387
those properties look at possibly selling?

1331
01:26:59,457 --> 01:27:05,307
I think that within reason in Carroll Valley right now, lots that

1332
01:27:05,367 --> 01:27:10,377
have approved sewage planning done on them are selling very quickly.

1333
01:27:10,557 --> 01:27:15,597
I think that it's a good time to sell as long as we don't oversaturate the market.

1334
01:27:15,837 --> 01:27:18,417
Does everybody feel comfortable with him looking at the lines and-

1335
01:27:19,017 --> 01:27:20,802
Let's worry about the ones that are on there right now.

1336
01:27:20,877 --> 01:27:21,147
Yeah.

1337
01:27:21,957 --> 01:27:23,247
It's always good to think ahead.

1338
01:27:23,367 --> 01:27:27,357
Well, and I am. Trust me, I've got a list that sits literally next to my mouse on

1339
01:27:27,387 --> 01:27:32,157
my desk, and I have actually a couple more that some other residents have asked me

1340
01:27:32,218 --> 01:27:36,837
about. I wouldn't have brought this resident one, but they just happened to ask

1341
01:27:36,867 --> 01:27:41,457
about one that you had some flexibility on, so it was easy to work through.

1342
01:27:43,527 --> 01:27:49,228
Okay. Let's take care of these four that remain on the list,

1343
01:27:49,677 --> 01:27:55,407
one, three, four, and five. Do we have a motion to

1344
01:27:55,497 --> 01:27:57,837
approve sending them out for bid?

1345
01:27:57,957 --> 01:27:58,947
I'll make that motion.

1346
01:27:59,008 --> 01:28:03,672
I'll second. We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion?

1347
01:28:05,127 --> 01:28:06,087
So moved.

1348
01:28:06,177 --> 01:28:09,387
Hearing done. All in favor say aye.

1349
01:28:10,677 --> 01:28:11,817
Aye.

1350
01:28:11,877 --> 01:28:14,277
Opposed? It's unanimous, Gail.

1351
01:28:14,397 --> 01:28:15,027
Thank you.

1352
01:28:19,167 --> 01:28:20,397
Pickleball court.

1353
01:28:21,567 --> 01:28:26,457
That's a lot of stuff on that memo.

1354
01:28:27,807 --> 01:28:31,887
I would strongly encourage you all to digest it tonight.

1355
01:28:31,978 --> 01:28:34,137
You don't necessarily have to talk about it.

1356
01:28:34,587 --> 01:28:39,627
I do want to make sure I point out not only does our park and rec committee

1357
01:28:40,047 --> 01:28:44,292
seriously kick butt at all the events they're doing, I basically copy and pasted

1358
01:28:44,307 --> 01:28:46,527
their stuff they gave me and put it in this memo.

1359
01:28:46,587 --> 01:28:46,617
I

1360
01:28:48,656 --> 01:28:50,996
added some stuff to it and changed it just a little bit.

1361
01:28:52,017 --> 01:28:57,718
But this was basically the idea of how we could get information this fall

1362
01:28:57,777 --> 01:29:01,647
about usage and everything. That was all their idea, and I did ask if they were

1363
01:29:01,677 --> 01:29:05,787
going to volunteer to make sure that we got that, and they did say that they would

1364
01:29:05,817 --> 01:29:06,567
volunteer to

1365
01:29:08,157 --> 01:29:10,437
get the data that they had mentioned in there.

1366
01:29:10,647 --> 01:29:14,758
I like the way they did the usage. It gives our residents

1367
01:29:16,137 --> 01:29:17,366
ample first

1368
01:29:18,657 --> 01:29:21,987
dibs on that pickleball court. I like that.

1369
01:29:22,377 --> 01:29:27,267
Yeah, I think that there was a lot of looking at what other communities do, how

1370
01:29:27,297 --> 01:29:31,857
they address it, understanding that we do have certain limitations on what we can

1371
01:29:31,887 --> 01:29:37,737
and can't do just because of staff limitations here, and plus it's a public park.

1372
01:29:37,782 --> 01:29:41,577
It's really hard to have gated access or whatever.

1373
01:29:41,968 --> 01:29:45,762
People are going to show up at the park to play sometimes, and we have to have

1374
01:29:45,807 --> 01:29:47,307
understanding of those types of things.

1375
01:29:47,397 --> 01:29:53,367
But I think what this does is basically say, in the fall we're going to see

1376
01:29:53,397 --> 01:29:59,367
how it goes and then before spring comes, we'll take the information from the

1377
01:29:59,427 --> 01:30:04,633
fall and make sure that we've got a plan for the warm weather months of

1378
01:30:04,647 --> 01:30:05,427
2027.

1379
01:30:05,697 --> 01:30:06,627
When is it getting lined?

1380
01:30:07,677 --> 01:30:10,737
Actually, we had a setback yesterday.

1381
01:30:10,797 --> 01:30:16,317
Apparently the fencing was being shipped in and the truck broke down.

1382
01:30:16,377 --> 01:30:20,037
The truck had an accident. I know something happened to our fencing, so it's not

1383
01:30:20,067 --> 01:30:21,897
going to be delivered now until Thursday.

1384
01:30:22,767 --> 01:30:26,607
So, the crew will be here on Monday the 21st to put it up.

1385
01:30:26,697 --> 01:30:26,937
They

1386
01:30:28,587 --> 01:30:32,817
are estimating two to three days to get the fencing up, and then it'll be painted

1387
01:30:33,027 --> 01:30:34,797
right after that, and it will need

1388
01:30:36,387 --> 01:30:39,447
48 to 72 hours to cure, and then we can open it.

1389
01:30:39,567 --> 01:30:42,327
So we're still hoping by the end of the month it should be done.

1390
01:30:42,837 --> 01:30:43,617
We'll have it open.

1391
01:30:44,067 --> 01:30:49,677
What kind of grass is there? Is there crabgrass there or anything like that?

1392
01:30:50,277 --> 01:30:55,002
Because the reason why I'm asking that is I've got a driveway that's brand new and

1393
01:30:55,077 --> 01:30:57,837
crabgrass is already prickling through it.

1394
01:30:57,897 --> 01:30:59,427
I don't know how the-

1395
01:30:59,937 --> 01:31:00,432
Oh, that one.

1396
01:31:00,567 --> 01:31:02,247
The pickleball court is a little thicker than your driveway.

1397
01:31:02,307 --> 01:31:02,517
Yeah.

1398
01:31:02,637 --> 01:31:04,002
Oh, no, the driveway's pretty thick.

1399
01:31:04,557 --> 01:31:05,772
No, this is a-

1400
01:31:05,997 --> 01:31:07,317
Oh, that one's about 16 inches.

1401
01:31:07,407 --> 01:31:07,707
Yeah.

1402
01:31:07,737 --> 01:31:13,077
They actually cut all the sod out and everything, so we don't anticipate there

1403
01:31:13,167 --> 01:31:13,947
being an issue with that.

1404
01:31:14,008 --> 01:31:18,237
The only reason why that came to mind is when I saw my driveway, I'm like, "Oh

1405
01:31:18,327 --> 01:31:19,857
gosh, what about that pickleball court?"

1406
01:31:20,457 --> 01:31:24,237
Well, we'll have to focus on the edging too after it's finished to make sure that

1407
01:31:24,267 --> 01:31:28,827
there's a good barrier around it to keep anything from creeping, but we're excited

1408
01:31:28,917 --> 01:31:30,807
to see it get finished.

1409
01:31:32,523 --> 01:31:33,483
... sooner rather than later.

1410
01:31:34,203 --> 01:31:39,393
Okay, so then in the spring, we'll be able to evaluate how things went in the fall,

1411
01:31:39,573 --> 01:31:44,133
and then council will have to weigh in on the different options-

1412
01:31:44,733 --> 01:31:44,793
Right

1413
01:31:44,808 --> 01:31:45,723
... that were presented to us.

1414
01:31:46,174 --> 01:31:49,924
That's what my plan in my head is, if you're all okay with that.

1415
01:31:55,623 --> 01:31:56,193
Lake Cave

1416
01:31:57,693 --> 01:31:59,193
Mini Park improvements.

1417
01:32:00,033 --> 01:32:03,453
I really just gave you a little memo because I wanted you to see a picture, because

1418
01:32:03,513 --> 01:32:09,243
I didn't know if you'd made it over. And yes, it's still a work in progress.

1419
01:32:09,438 --> 01:32:09,438
Right.

1420
01:32:09,453 --> 01:32:10,938
Thank you. But

1421
01:32:12,543 --> 01:32:18,363
this is awesome. I can't even begin to describe how well this came out.

1422
01:32:18,483 --> 01:32:24,213
I'm just thrilled with it. So, if you have a chance to stop over and look, we still

1423
01:32:24,273 --> 01:32:27,933
have to add site amenities, so there's going to be benches that are added to that

1424
01:32:29,283 --> 01:32:34,443
platform that you see there. There's going to be a picnic table added, a trash can,

1425
01:32:34,983 --> 01:32:38,433
and a small climbing gym area for little ones.

1426
01:32:38,584 --> 01:32:41,283
And we're going to replace the split rail fence that's there now.

1427
01:32:41,674 --> 01:32:47,193
But what's not in this picture is they also redid the driveway going in, and the

1428
01:32:47,223 --> 01:32:48,573
parking lot's just stone. But it

1429
01:32:50,313 --> 01:32:55,459
hadn't been cared for in quite some time, and I'd like to also point out that

1430
01:32:57,123 --> 01:33:01,008
we'd be remiss if we didn't thank the people who volunteered so many years ago to

1431
01:33:01,023 --> 01:33:05,703
build the original dock, and the person who spearheaded those efforts actually

1432
01:33:05,763 --> 01:33:09,603
still lives across the lake and came over and just told us how wonderful it was and

1433
01:33:09,933 --> 01:33:14,793
was thrilled to see it. So, it was nice to hear from the Develins and of course

1434
01:33:14,823 --> 01:33:18,468
thank them for all their efforts 30 years ago, but also for their vote of

1435
01:33:18,483 --> 01:33:21,693
confidence that this is coming out pretty nice too.

1436
01:33:21,783 --> 01:33:25,293
So, real thrilled with how this is coming up.

1437
01:33:26,463 --> 01:33:32,343
Status on the request regarding what grant monies can be used

1438
01:33:32,463 --> 01:33:34,983
to help with the playground equipment.

1439
01:33:36,693 --> 01:33:38,943
We have all the grant money we're going to get.

1440
01:33:39,003 --> 01:33:43,983
So, at this point, our budget is going to stay right where it was

1441
01:33:44,073 --> 01:33:48,873
originally. So, we have the original county grant, which was a matching grant, so

1442
01:33:48,933 --> 01:33:54,903
we had to put funds toward it. What's really great is, I can't tell

1443
01:33:54,933 --> 01:33:56,613
you the number, but I bet Gail knows it.

1444
01:33:56,823 --> 01:33:59,043
How much money have we spent so far on that project?

1445
01:34:00,243 --> 01:34:01,834
$5,750.

1446
01:34:01,983 --> 01:34:04,803
This was all done for $5,000 because your crew did it.

1447
01:34:06,123 --> 01:34:06,138
That's great.

1448
01:34:06,153 --> 01:34:06,513
So,

1449
01:34:07,834 --> 01:34:13,023
when we started out the project, we had about 21 or $22,000 to put toward it,

1450
01:34:13,863 --> 01:34:15,723
thinking that this was going to be way more than that.

1451
01:34:15,813 --> 01:34:21,363
So, we're going to be able to finish the project

1452
01:34:21,753 --> 01:34:26,793
with the monies that have already been allotted to it, since the crew was able to

1453
01:34:26,853 --> 01:34:29,943
save us so much money on their part of the project.

1454
01:34:30,813 --> 01:34:33,753
So the grant money can be used on playground equipment.

1455
01:34:34,293 --> 01:34:35,733
Yes. That's what it's for.

1456
01:34:37,203 --> 01:34:37,803
Very good.

1457
01:34:42,093 --> 01:34:43,713
Next up is the

1458
01:34:47,163 --> 01:34:49,023
storage facility project.

1459
01:34:49,263 --> 01:34:51,303
Yeah, everything's in line for that.

1460
01:34:51,363 --> 01:34:57,257
The contract was sent out to the contractor, and the contractor and

1461
01:34:57,303 --> 01:35:01,623
Brad organized a start day, and I don't know what it is.

1462
01:35:01,713 --> 01:35:04,834
I do know that it's in October at some point there.

1463
01:35:06,933 --> 01:35:11,373
He only projected it to take four weeks to complete, so the contractor.

1464
01:35:12,993 --> 01:35:16,623
But I think everything's in line. I don't think we have a signed contract yet, but

1465
01:35:16,653 --> 01:35:18,033
I think everything's in line for one.

1466
01:35:21,573 --> 01:35:23,763
Meeting Decorum Subcommittee.

1467
01:35:24,123 --> 01:35:26,463
Oh, I think we had the parallel parking thing.

1468
01:35:26,674 --> 01:35:29,073
Yeah, we skipped the parallel parking thing. That's in the packet.

1469
01:35:29,253 --> 01:35:31,623
It's on the back. It's the last entry.

1470
01:35:31,713 --> 01:35:32,343
Oh, got you.

1471
01:35:32,373 --> 01:35:34,802
There were a couple items that didn't have anything in the packet.

1472
01:35:34,893 --> 01:35:35,613
Oh, okay. Good.

1473
01:35:37,503 --> 01:35:38,283
My apologies.

1474
01:35:38,763 --> 01:35:39,543
Yeah, mine too.

1475
01:35:40,803 --> 01:35:44,703
Meeting Decorum Subcommittee met once so far, had a pretty productive meeting.

1476
01:35:45,003 --> 01:35:48,063
We have another meeting we've got to get together on schedules.

1477
01:35:48,093 --> 01:35:53,058
We're going to meet one more time and expect to have something for council October

1478
01:35:53,103 --> 01:35:55,773
meeting.

1479
01:36:00,453 --> 01:36:04,233
Okay. Youth Reading Program?

1480
01:36:05,463 --> 01:36:11,403
Yep. Upcoming, next week on Monday is the final event for the

1481
01:36:11,613 --> 01:36:16,084
Little Readers and Local Leaders this summer. It's at 6:00.

1482
01:36:16,293 --> 01:36:17,763
Anyone is welcome to attend.

1483
01:36:19,084 --> 01:36:22,323
It consists of a children's story time and theme craft afterwards.

1484
01:36:23,223 --> 01:36:24,723
Thank you very much.

1485
01:36:24,993 --> 01:36:25,773
How's it been going?

1486
01:36:26,823 --> 01:36:27,123
Good.

1487
01:36:28,143 --> 01:36:28,653
Good. All right.

1488
01:36:30,093 --> 01:36:33,873
Thank you. Parallel parking practice area.

1489
01:36:34,803 --> 01:36:37,383
We kind of talked about that a little bit earlier today.

1490
01:36:38,193 --> 01:36:40,563
Yeah. I'll let Sarah talk.

1491
01:36:41,133 --> 01:36:46,353
So, the parallel parking area has been implemented on the Ranch Trail Commons

1492
01:36:46,383 --> 01:36:47,163
parking area,

1493
01:36:48,453 --> 01:36:53,823
and it is up now and able to be used. And I'd like to thank both Dave and the

1494
01:36:54,033 --> 01:36:56,674
Borough Council for helping me to bring this vision to life.

1495
01:36:58,503 --> 01:37:01,413
And yeah, so it's up now.

1496
01:37:02,584 --> 01:37:08,253
We're going to make sure that this one hits social media, and give

1497
01:37:08,943 --> 01:37:14,733
job well done on the idea. If for no other reason, as I've reflected

1498
01:37:14,823 --> 01:37:20,343
in the memo that I typed, what these two young ladies do

1499
01:37:21,603 --> 01:37:27,424
sets the tone for the youth of the community that might come after them.

1500
01:37:27,543 --> 01:37:31,174
So, I think we want to celebrate both of their efforts, and we're going to see to

1501
01:37:31,203 --> 01:37:36,753
it that we can do that. And as I did say before the meeting started, I did make my

1502
01:37:36,813 --> 01:37:40,293
way into that with the code car and not hit anything.

1503
01:37:44,343 --> 01:37:48,723
And actually, Municipal Services probably rolled in that as well, didn't they?

1504
01:37:48,783 --> 01:37:52,953
Yeah, they did. Brad helped me lay out the dimensions and everything.

1505
01:37:54,453 --> 01:37:58,473
But it's almost as if this spot was meant for it.

1506
01:37:58,563 --> 01:38:03,122
I don't really know why when we designed the park, we designed the drop-off area

1507
01:38:03,183 --> 01:38:05,808
there, and it looks like there's a curb, but there really isn't, so you're not

1508
01:38:05,823 --> 01:38:10,053
going to damage your car. It's just a perfect area for it.

1509
01:38:10,143 --> 01:38:13,098
So, hopefully, it gets used. Hopefully, it doesn't

1510
01:38:14,913 --> 01:38:15,483
get stolen,

1511
01:38:17,163 --> 01:38:20,703
because nothing's tied down right now. But we'll see how it goes.

1512
01:38:20,733 --> 01:38:23,674
Hopefully, it gets a lot of positive feedback from the community.

1513
01:38:23,853 --> 01:38:25,533
I'd like to say something about these two young ladies.

1514
01:38:25,623 --> 01:38:27,183
We're lucky to have these young girls.

1515
01:38:27,228 --> 01:38:31,623
They're not just sitting here listening and not participating.

1516
01:38:32,238 --> 01:38:36,813
They've come up with two great ideas in recent months, and I want to congratulate

1517
01:38:36,873 --> 01:38:41,253
you girls. Had an opportunity to speak to both of them from the Wildwood Library a

1518
01:38:41,283 --> 01:38:47,043
few weeks ago. These are two very, very nice young women, and I wish them

1519
01:38:47,103 --> 01:38:52,623
well on their college journey. We'll be losing them too. Good luck, girls.

1520
01:38:52,743 --> 01:38:53,253
Thank you.

1521
01:38:53,433 --> 01:38:54,513
Thank you.

1522
01:38:54,573 --> 01:38:58,203
I propose that we do a social media campaign where all the members of the council

1523
01:38:58,593 --> 01:39:00,123
back into the parallel parking

1524
01:39:01,383 --> 01:39:02,103
on video.

1525
01:39:03,213 --> 01:39:04,293
Police officer present.

1526
01:39:06,573 --> 01:39:08,883
With the Simmons girl standing laughing at all of us.

1527
01:39:11,163 --> 01:39:14,343
Well, Dave, couldn't we put that also up on our webpage?

1528
01:39:15,033 --> 01:39:15,183
Yeah.

1529
01:39:15,424 --> 01:39:17,523
In addition to the social media.

1530
01:39:19,563 --> 01:39:22,293
Right now, I can't update the webpage at all.

1531
01:39:22,353 --> 01:39:23,433
Yeah, it's an update.

1532
01:39:23,463 --> 01:39:25,653
Because of what's in the background.

1533
01:39:27,903 --> 01:39:30,903
No, I probably can. I'll check with them first before I do it.

1534
01:39:30,993 --> 01:39:31,203
But

1535
01:39:32,553 --> 01:39:35,043
we will have a new website soon.

1536
01:39:37,413 --> 01:39:42,424
I don't know the exact date yet. It's still in negotiation.

1537
01:39:43,023 --> 01:39:44,913
But I'll see if I can get it on the website.

1538
01:39:49,834 --> 01:39:55,683
And we received reports from Municipal Services, code violation, permit

1539
01:39:55,834 --> 01:39:59,133
fee, wastewater treatment, and I'd like to thank

1540
01:40:00,603 --> 01:40:01,563
each of our

1541
01:40:02,853 --> 01:40:04,983
employees who make those reports

1542
01:40:06,603 --> 01:40:09,813
available to us and send out my thanks.

1543
01:40:13,503 --> 01:40:14,643
Any new business?

1544
01:40:15,783 --> 01:40:21,453
I had a resident ask me a couple questions that I told him I would bring up here

1545
01:40:21,513 --> 01:40:22,863
this evening.

1546
01:40:25,593 --> 01:40:30,213
Resident named Suzy asked about electric streetlights in Carroll Valley.

1547
01:40:31,413 --> 01:40:32,343
Asked where are they

1548
01:40:34,263 --> 01:40:34,983
Streetlights?

1549
01:40:35,073 --> 01:40:35,823
That's what she said.

1550
01:40:36,303 --> 01:40:41,193
Well, it looks like there's about a

1551
01:40:41,209 --> 01:40:43,802
$2,000 cost for them per month.

1552
01:40:45,063 --> 01:40:46,383
Tiffany's shaking her head yes.

1553
01:40:46,443 --> 01:40:47,463
Yeah.

1554
01:40:47,493 --> 01:40:50,853
There's streetlights all over the borough.

1555
01:40:50,943 --> 01:40:54,723
We spend about $35,000 a year on them.

1556
01:40:55,834 --> 01:40:57,618
I thought it was an odd question, but I thought I'd bring it up.

1557
01:40:57,633 --> 01:41:02,223
Yeah. To answer your question, I'd have to give you an extremely long list.

1558
01:41:03,543 --> 01:41:05,838
Take one out from my house. I'd be happy with that.

1559
01:41:05,913 --> 01:41:09,273
Yeah. You can take one out behind my lot.

1560
01:41:09,993 --> 01:41:12,093
No, I think she was more questioning-

1561
01:41:12,783 --> 01:41:13,878
Really hard because of the paints

1562
01:41:13,893 --> 01:41:15,153
... how much money was being spent the month.

1563
01:41:15,933 --> 01:41:16,533
A lot

1564
01:41:16,803 --> 01:41:17,793
That's why I got it.

1565
01:41:17,883 --> 01:41:19,893
There's a lot of streetlights.

1566
01:41:20,013 --> 01:41:21,228
Yeah. Well, it's my-

1567
01:41:21,258 --> 01:41:24,303
Yeah. It's probably more than $2,000 a month. It's probably closer to three.

1568
01:41:24,573 --> 01:41:27,723
If she's listening then please-

1569
01:41:27,903 --> 01:41:31,113
By the way, a couple of years ago, we did set out to eliminate some that were

1570
01:41:31,593 --> 01:41:36,153
unnecessary, and of all the ones that were taken down, I think every one of them

1571
01:41:36,183 --> 01:41:40,293
was put back up after the residents complained and came before this board again.

1572
01:41:40,834 --> 01:41:43,983
So we gave up on that.

1573
01:41:44,043 --> 01:41:45,033
She can take them.

1574
01:41:46,503 --> 01:41:49,263
And also, I can't remember if it was the same lady or another lady.

1575
01:41:49,293 --> 01:41:51,363
There was two ladies pinging me.

1576
01:41:53,193 --> 01:41:58,773
They asked about the location of the new nature trail, and I thought I knew where

1577
01:41:58,803 --> 01:42:03,993
it was, but I wasn't exactly sure what she was talking about, so I said I'd bring

1578
01:42:04,053 --> 01:42:06,063
it up. Where's that?

1579
01:42:06,783 --> 01:42:11,192
The borough owns a parcel. Well, the original parcel was about 20 acres.

1580
01:42:11,313 --> 01:42:13,473
It borders Skylark Trail,

1581
01:42:14,883 --> 01:42:19,323
what would be the northern side of Skylark Trail, and the other side of it is

1582
01:42:20,373 --> 01:42:25,053
behind the properties on Deer Trail into Spring.

1583
01:42:26,463 --> 01:42:32,388
Hoping they're listening. Also, that same person made the comment that the current

1584
01:42:32,463 --> 01:42:37,999
existing trail in the ranch section is being destroyed by

1585
01:42:38,103 --> 01:42:41,674
ATVs. Is there a problem over there that we-

1586
01:42:41,763 --> 01:42:43,833
ATVs on our property?

1587
01:42:43,863 --> 01:42:44,299
That's what-

1588
01:42:45,124 --> 01:42:47,463
I've not been told of anything like that.

1589
01:42:47,508 --> 01:42:49,023
Tiffany's shaking her head yes again.

1590
01:42:49,833 --> 01:42:49,983
No.

1591
01:42:50,043 --> 01:42:53,313
We have ATV issues in the ranch section, and Cliff would've been the person to ask

1592
01:42:53,374 --> 01:42:54,874
that question because they don't tell me.

1593
01:42:54,888 --> 01:42:58,473
No, they do ride down there in that section. We do know that.

1594
01:42:58,533 --> 01:43:02,254
But I don't think in the park. The only trail we have down there is the oval around

1595
01:43:02,283 --> 01:43:02,973
the soccer fields.

1596
01:43:03,663 --> 01:43:05,913
Talking about in the woods back off there?

1597
01:43:06,213 --> 01:43:06,694
Oh, yeah.

1598
01:43:06,738 --> 01:43:07,352
They've got a forest.

1599
01:43:07,413 --> 01:43:12,363
No, I said the only borough-owned trail is...

1600
01:43:12,573 --> 01:43:14,733
Well, maybe they meant the roads by saying trails.

1601
01:43:15,694 --> 01:43:16,053
She said

1602
01:43:17,823 --> 01:43:20,343
the trail is being destroyed by ATVs.

1603
01:43:20,493 --> 01:43:22,863
Yeah. If you go back, that's not really a nature trail.

1604
01:43:22,893 --> 01:43:24,618
That's where the roads were initially-

1605
01:43:24,843 --> 01:43:25,038
Okay

1606
01:43:25,113 --> 01:43:28,098
... that were never put in, but if you go back there, there's people riding them.

1607
01:43:28,143 --> 01:43:30,738
Well, we'll pass along the concern to the police department because-

1608
01:43:30,754 --> 01:43:34,428
That's the reason I brought it up because I figured maybe the police would tackle

1609
01:43:34,444 --> 01:43:34,533
this.

1610
01:43:34,624 --> 01:43:36,108
I do know that they've been

1611
01:43:37,444 --> 01:43:41,944
dealing with issues related to off-road vehicles there, but I don't know much about

1612
01:43:42,004 --> 01:43:42,093
it.

1613
01:43:42,453 --> 01:43:42,723
Right.

1614
01:43:42,783 --> 01:43:48,363
She's talking about how there's a trail that goes back down by the creek, out into

1615
01:43:48,722 --> 01:43:49,684
the woods.

1616
01:43:52,743 --> 01:43:53,403
That's where.

1617
01:43:55,983 --> 01:43:56,254
Yeah.

1618
01:43:56,838 --> 01:43:56,868
The one that-

1619
01:43:56,868 --> 01:43:59,823
It's hard to tell since our roads are also trails to know exactly.

1620
01:43:59,928 --> 01:43:59,928
Yeah.

1621
01:43:59,944 --> 01:44:03,077
But so if they give you more information, we'll gladly go to them about our answer.

1622
01:44:03,077 --> 01:44:04,953
We better watch it because I pointed them to the

1623
01:44:06,333 --> 01:44:10,174
meeting, and hopefully they'll respond.

1624
01:44:12,633 --> 01:44:12,993
Okay.

1625
01:44:22,323 --> 01:44:23,073
Do we have a-

1626
01:44:24,813 --> 01:44:25,743
Oh, yeah.

1627
01:44:25,758 --> 01:44:26,733
Need to open to the public?

1628
01:44:28,353 --> 01:44:30,093
Need the three of you?

1629
01:44:31,444 --> 01:44:32,133
All three of you?

1630
01:44:33,184 --> 01:44:33,573
Everybody.

1631
01:44:33,694 --> 01:44:34,053
I do.

1632
01:44:34,773 --> 01:44:35,194
Okay.

1633
01:44:35,973 --> 01:44:35,987
Well, okay.

1634
01:44:36,004 --> 01:44:36,993
I can try.

1635
01:44:38,523 --> 01:44:40,924
Again, Tiffany Bryce, 59 Montrose.

1636
01:44:41,343 --> 01:44:47,059
I just want to thank the council, the manager, and everyone that was involved in

1637
01:44:47,133 --> 01:44:52,083
bringing back up that proposal to save taxpayer money, and thank you for listening

1638
01:44:52,113 --> 01:44:56,598
to us. I think there's a lot of misinformation out there that you guys don't care,

1639
01:44:56,674 --> 01:45:01,413
and you just make up and do whatever you want, but that really showed that if

1640
01:45:01,444 --> 01:45:05,733
people do show up, you do listen. So thank everyone that was involved in putting

1641
01:45:05,763 --> 01:45:09,543
that back out there and making it more visible to save taxpayer money.

1642
01:45:09,603 --> 01:45:10,129
Well, thank you.

1643
01:45:10,129 --> 01:45:10,323
Thank you

1644
01:45:10,653 --> 01:45:11,944
... for coming in and

1645
01:45:13,563 --> 01:45:16,563
discussing the issue with us because we saved a lot of money.

1646
01:45:19,143 --> 01:45:22,983
We do want to spend the money wisely, and...

1647
01:45:26,763 --> 01:45:31,907
Since I'm the only council, I had a friend recently ask me basically what you were

1648
01:45:31,983 --> 01:45:36,934
just saying, "Do the council members really care, or do they just do what they

1649
01:45:36,993 --> 01:45:42,243
want?" And I said, "I can assure you that everybody that is on the council

1650
01:45:43,593 --> 01:45:48,918
has the best interest of the borough at heart, and I believe that 100%." And I

1651
01:45:48,934 --> 01:45:53,388
didn't know any of these folks before I got on the council last year, except for

1652
01:45:53,434 --> 01:45:55,353
Bruce. I knew casually.

1653
01:45:57,513 --> 01:46:02,133
You're the most involved council that I've had in 22 years by far.

1654
01:46:03,393 --> 01:46:05,043
To a member, everybody's involved.

1655
01:46:05,553 --> 01:46:10,997
Congratulations to you guys for really listening to us all.

1656
01:46:11,073 --> 01:46:12,363
Tell them some more good stuff, Dave.

1657
01:46:12,559 --> 01:46:12,903
That's it.

1658
01:46:14,823 --> 01:46:16,743
That's the extent of my warm and fuzzy today.

1659
01:46:16,833 --> 01:46:17,283
Oh, boy.

1660
01:46:18,543 --> 01:46:20,523
Before we break down the hub, let's adjourn this.

1661
01:46:23,163 --> 01:46:23,643
Okay.

1662
01:46:23,853 --> 01:46:25,203
I'll make a motion we adjourn.

1663
01:46:25,263 --> 01:46:25,893
I'll second.

1664
01:46:26,674 --> 01:46:31,953
We have a motion and a second. Any discussion on that, or are we just going to do

1665
01:46:32,013 --> 01:46:32,163
it?

1666
01:46:32,613 --> 01:46:33,153
Let's do it.

1667
01:46:33,213 --> 01:46:34,293
All in favor say aye.

1668
01:46:34,338 --> 01:46:34,338
Aye.

1669
01:46:34,338 --> 01:46:34,338
Aye.

1670
01:46:34,338 --> 01:46:34,338
Aye.

1671
01:46:34,368 --> 01:46:34,368
Aye.

1672
01:46:34,368 --> 01:46:34,368
Aye.

1673
01:46:34,368 --> 01:46:34,368
Aye.

1674
01:46:34,368 --> 01:46:34,368
Aye.

1675
01:46:34,368 --> 01:46:34,368
Aye.

1676
01:46:34,518 --> 01:46:35,583
Aye.

1677
01:46:37,863 --> 01:46:42,168
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1678
01:46:42,273 --> 01:46:47,583
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1679
01:46:51,963 --> 01:46:55,233
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1680
01:47:04,893 --> 01:47:10,053
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1681
01:47:10,833 --> 01:47:14,823
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