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Okay, it's two minutes after 7:00. It's time to get started.

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Welcome to the

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September 23rd Hanover Council Meeting.

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We'll begin with the call to meeting and the pledge of allegiance, and then

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followed by a moment of silent reflection.

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I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the

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Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty

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and justice for all.

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Thank you.

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And we'll have roll call.

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Mr. Buck?

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Here.

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Mr. Fuentes?

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Mrs. Funk?

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Here.

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Mr. Funk?

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Is he online?

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Mr. Funk-

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If he's calling in, I don't know

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... I think he's on Zoom.

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Mr. Funk is here.

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Okay, thank you.

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All right.

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You're welcome.

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Mr. Hegberg?

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Here.

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Mr. Kress?

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Mr. Risdon?

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Here.

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Mr. Roland?

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Present.

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Dr. Rupp?

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Here.

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Mr. Scott?

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Here.

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Solicitor Shultis?

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Here.

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Manager Lewis?

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Here.

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Mayor Hornell?

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Here.

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Assistant Secretary Felix, and Secretary McElwee,

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and Junior Council Alexis Day,

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Alan Stitt. We have a quorum.

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Thank you very much.

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Next, we have the designated meeting to make our statement for us, please.

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Statements made during public comment represent the opinions of the individual

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speaker. Such comments are not necessarily statements of fact and have not been

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verified by the borough's elected or appointed officials or staff.

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The views expressed do not necessarily reflect the positions of the borough, its

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elected officials, or its employees.

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When possible, if a question is raised, staff may provide contact information

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following the meeting so the matter can be addressed.

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Requests for borough records or documentation must be submitted through the

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appropriate process in accordance with the Right to Know law.

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Thank you. Now we have an opportunity to hear citizens concerning any items on our

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council agenda, and we'll start with Mr. Holt.

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Good evening.

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Robert Holt from the third ward.

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Still a little sore yesterday from the day-long budget discussion.

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I want to look at 602, the community development block grant funding

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for the Hanover Street

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properties, and that's all well and good, and that's pretty nice that the borough

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is finding a way to get some money to fix private citizen sidewalks,

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particularly on a street where most of the properties are rentals.

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And I would expect that the borough would try to find ways to do the similar

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efforts in other communities where they could find grants and pursue

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ways to assist homeowners with

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repairing or improving their sidewalks, particularly since many of the sidewalk

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issues,

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cracks, raised tiles, things like that, are caused by trees

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that are along the berm of the street and are under the control of the tree

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commission and has absolute authority.

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Citizens can't

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do anything to the tree to do any kind of tree management.

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And I'm thinking that because you guys put those trees there and they're causing

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the problems, that the borough is responsible for fixing those sidewalks where

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there are problems. And believe me, I would say about 70% of the sidewalk issues in

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the borough are where there are trees or once were trees planted in the berm

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between the street and the sidewalk.

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I would also look at the transfer station, what they're calling a diversion, but

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it's going to be a tax increase. They want to temporarily raise the tipping fees at

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transfer station. But let's be realistic, and you shouldn't pass this because

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this is an operation they brag about.

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They raise excess revenues for the borough's general fund, and why should they be

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able to just raise taxes in the middle of the year,

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when it doesn't make sense, and it just looks like a mother borough money

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grab in the guise of some kind of emergency.

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Never let a dilemma go to waste, a crisis go to waste.

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And they say it's going to be temporary, but when was the last time the borough

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rolled back the taxes after it raised them?

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I can't recall any time the borough rolled back a tax increase that it raised.

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So I think you should vote against this, and you should force them to be creative

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about finding ways to save money and maybe use some of that excess revenue that

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they generate for the general fund, and they brag about every year, 200, 300,

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$400,000 and more. So

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I think you need to think about fiscal prudence, especially since you're already

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talking about raising garbage collection rates another $24 a quarter next year.

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So, it just seems like the borough is we can just raise taxes. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Sandy Mount, if you would, please.

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Sandy Mount, general delivery. I'm afraid it's the same old thing, but I've been

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receiving encouragement to continue to ask for

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502, A, B, and C, the payments, the financial statements, and the

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investments. There's still no specifics listed or any access granted to those.

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504,

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again,

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there's no listing anywhere to be found of the records that you're going to be

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destroying.

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And then number eight,

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need some clarification here because I thought Justin McGilvory

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was going to be the secretary, and now he is the Right to Know

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officer?

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Then my other questions will be in the line of comments.

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And Mr. Garrett, you have a comment, but it's nothing about the first part of the

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agenda. Do you want to wait till the second part of the agenda?

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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I can. It's only going to take a couple.

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Okay, sure.

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This is the first time I've ever done this.

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That's okay. Welcome.

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So I've been in the borough my whole life, 60-plus years minus a job that took me

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out of state for a couple of years.

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I lived over on McKinley Avenue for quite a while, over 20 years, and I thought the

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speeding problem between Eichelberger and Charles was bad

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until I moved to Eichelberger Street.

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And that's a narrower street with tall colonial houses, and it's far worse from

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Allegheny to Stock Street. Is there anything that can be done as far as the digital

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speedometers or having someone monitor that every now and then?

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Because it's so loud, and I've clocked people.

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There's people doing 50 mile an hour within two blocks. It's crazy.

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And I know it's pretty much all over the borough, not just Eichelberger, but it

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just seems... I really did, I really thought McKinley was bad until I got to

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Eichelberger, and it's far worse. So that's all I have to say.

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Thank you very much for your comments.

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Is there anyone online who has any comments to make?

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There's not. All right.

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We did have an executive session prior to this meeting, and our solicitor can

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explain.

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Borough Council had an executive session this evening from about 6:30 to 7 o'clock

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To meet with its solicitor to discuss matters which are subject to a lawful

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privilege under Section 708A5 of the Sunshine Act.

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Thank you.

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And next we're pleased to have a presentation and a proclamation.

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Mayor Harmel, if you would, please.

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Thank you.

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He's just turning mics on. You with the ladies?

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Am I?

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Yeah.

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Okay. Come on, don't be shy.

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I don't know if I should say this as a privilege, but I'm happy that I'm able to

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make this proclamation because I think it's important information for the community

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to know about. So I'm going to read a little introduction and then I'll present the

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proclamation. Because domestic violence affects people across all ages, races, and

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backgrounds, and can occur in any relationship, the Hanover Borough

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joins the Hanover YWCA, Safe Home, and groups across the country in

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recognizing October as Domestic Violence Awareness Month.

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The impact of domestic violence extends beyond the immediate victims to the

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children who witness it. It saddened me when I read that more than

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92% of homeless mothers have experienced severe physical

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and/or sexual abuse during their lifetimes.

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I know our community cares and supports survivors of domestic violence, as well as

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working toward the prevention and elimination of this crime.

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Now, therefore, I, Heidi Harmel, Mayor of the Borough of Hanover, York County,

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Pennsylvania, hereby declare October 2026 as Domestic

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Violence Awareness Month, and implore all citizens to take a stand against

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domestic violence. Okay. Thank you, ladies. We're going to take a picture.

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This is the actual proclamation.

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Do you want to do me in between or- That'll work.

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Yes.

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You want to do that? Yeah. I don't think I've met you. Sorry. That's all right.

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I'm grabbing you like I know you.

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It is right side up, right?

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It is.

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I have done that.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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It's good meeting you as well. Shonda White. Shonda White.

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And Sherry, I've met you.

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Yeah. Thank you.

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There you go. That's for you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for all you do.

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If you haven't had a chance to see the new YW- I was just going to say that. Yeah.

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You need to go in. You need to ask to go in.

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I don't think they just want you coming in off the street, but it's absolutely

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gorgeous.

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They want to have a grand opening.

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I don't have the day of the grand opening.

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New date.

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Do you have the day of the grand opening?

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I know there was one visitation already, which I missed. Do you have another date?

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October 2nd.

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October 2nd?

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At 3:00 in the afternoon. We're getting ready.

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Okay. I'm sure you're still getting ready.

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Yeah, but-

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It's going to be a great place

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... but if you go by, as Mayor Harmel mentioned, it is huge.

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And it's a great improvement for our families and our children and our community as

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well. So thanks.

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And for remaining in our downtown.

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And for remaining in the downtown. Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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All right. Thanks again, and congratulations.

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Even though it's not a congratulations on a good month- ...

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but it's a month to make people aware of that. Thank you very much.

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Next up we have our consent agenda.

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Does anyone have anything they would like to take out of the consent agenda prior

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to getting a motion to approve it? So motion.

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Motion a second?

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I'll second.

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All right.

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Any questions regarding the consent agenda? I'm sorry.

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All right. All in favor indicate by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Aye. Opposed?

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Motion carries. Moving on to the planning commission.

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Chuck, would you like to take that from me, please?

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Okay.

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319 Wilson Avenue, consideration of a motion to accept a 90-day extension for the

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319 Wilson Fairfield Marriott Hotel project, which would extend the

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borough's action deadline to December 26, 2026.

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Thank you. I need a second to that motion. I'll second. We have a second down here.

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Did you get that? All right. All in favor indicate by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Aye. Opposed? That motion carries. And 6.02, Chuck.

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Consideration of a motion to approve the amendment to the East Hanover Street

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sidewalk replacement project for the increase in funds of

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$7,315.68 for a

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revised grant in the amount of

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$107,315.68.

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And a second?

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Second.

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All right. Thank you.

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All in favor indicating by saying aye.

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I would-

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Can I just-

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I'm sorry.

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Yeah, that's okay.

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Yes, I'm sorry.

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No. On A.

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Yes.

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We're getting a revised grant, right, Eric?

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We're getting more money.

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Additional funds being applied to the project, okay, for the project.

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Okay, thank you. I just wanted to make that clear. Thank you.

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Thank you. Any other questions? I'm sorry. All in favor indicate by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Aye. Opposed? That motion carries. And the last one, Chuck.

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Consideration of a motion to authorize the council president to execute directive

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change order number two for the East Hanover

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Street sidewalk replacement project in the deductive amount of $830.80.

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And a second?

257
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Second.

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Any questions regarding that before we vote?

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Yeah. I'd just like that to be explained to me.

260
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Okay.

261
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I heard about Boston.

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Eric, if you would, please.

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So when we do projects like this, we make an assumption at how much of certain

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quantities we're going to need. So in this particular case, what we were estimating

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was the amount of crack sealing along some of the curb, and what we call spalling

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repair, where there's patches that need to be in the curb.

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So at the end of the project, we didn't use the full quantity that we needed, so

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therefore it's a deductive change order.

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Are we good?

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Yeah.

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Any other questions? All in favor of that motion indicate by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Aye. Opposed? That motion carries. Moving on to Department of Public Works.

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I think we'll have AJ explain this, but first of all, I need a motion.

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Motion. Did somebody make a motion? Thank you. I did. And somebody second it? Good.

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Okay, AJ, would you explain that to us, please?

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Wait. Didn't we need a second?

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So we-

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I think I got a second. Who motioned and second? Guys, did you second? John?

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I'll second.

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Yeah. Chuck.

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Okay.

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My hand go up and I didn't see who it was.

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If I could interrupt.

285
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Sure.

286
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We really need to make the motion, so we should read-

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Make the motion first

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... what it is so we're actually-

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Okay. Who made the motion?

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Jim, what did you just say?

291
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I would imagine it was Michelle.

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We should read the motion first.

293
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Okay. Who was the person who made it?

294
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You're welcome.

295
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Darlene, would you read that, please? We have to make the motion.

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We have to say the motion. Would you read that, please?

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701?

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701.

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701 transfer station-

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Yes

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... diversion.

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Yes.

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Consideration of a motion to approve resolution number

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1481, amending the miscellaneous fees to include a

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temporary fee increase at the transfer station.

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Thank you. Chuck second it. All right. Now, can you explain that?

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Sure. So as we talked about last time, the county incinerator was shutting down for

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maintenance, and they are diverting our transfer station trailers to other

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landfills. Now at this point, it's now multiple locations.

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To cover some of those costs for wear and tear on the trailers, we asked to

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institute this temporary fee. And just to be clear, this is for the transfer

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station only. This has no effect on residential curbside collection rates.

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These will be passed on to outside commercial haulers who actually use the transfer

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station. So there is no effect to the curbside collection rate with this

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transfer station fee.

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AJ, do we define temporary?

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Yes, temporary is as long as the diversion lasts.

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So at this point, we

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are predicting that should be over by the end of October, but we do not know.

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Okay.

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We're all dependent on the county and when they allow us to come back to the

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incinerator.

323
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Okay.

324
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Can you report back to us when that temporary fee is gone?

325
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Sure. Yep, absolutely.

326
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Well, that helps the question, Brad, if you report back

327
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Yeah, because it refers to Resolution 1481, but I don't see-

328
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It's a fee increase.

329
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Where?

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It's a fee increase, but I don't see

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the details about temporary. That's all.

332
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Can you explain that again?

333
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Right. So the resolution is just to change the actual fee

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schedule. So last time is when we talked about approving this for the time of just

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the diversion. So it's in there as a temporary fee

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within the fee schedule. We cannot define what temporary is going to be

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because we are dependent on another entity to make the decision for the end date.

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But I think that-

339
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But we can. You can define it as when they stop the diversion

340
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When the diversion is over. Right.

341
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Right.

342
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Yeah. And that's-

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It is a definition, while it's not a date

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... that's what temporary is, right?

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So-

346
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Right. That's what I'm just saying.

347
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Yeah.

348
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But it's dependent, is I think the word you're looking for.

349
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It's dependent on the something.

350
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Right. On the reopening of the incident rear. Yep.

351
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And you'll report back on that?

352
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Yes, I will.

353
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Okay.

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What was the fee and what was the increase in the fee?

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So, 119 to 121 per ton.

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119 to-

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To 121. The $2 temporary increase gives-

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$2 increase.

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Correct. Per ton.

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121.

361
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Correct.

362
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So it's $2.

363
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Correct.

364
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Eight quarters.

365
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Per ton. Yep.

366
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But there's a mileage impact additionally.

367
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And this is for anybody using that transfer station, correct?

368
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Correct.

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Not billed to the people of Hanover.

370
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Right. That's absolutely right. So it has no effect on residential curbside service

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or that ring.

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Could you have collected this any other way other than doing-

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So when we discussed this last time, council was certainly

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approving of the fact that we pass this on to outside commercial entities rather

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than to borough residents.

376
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Okay. I thank you for that.

377
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Sure.

378
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Okay.

379
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Yep, absolutely.

380
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Chair, I have a question.

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Council Gaither? Yes.

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The temporary point is that once this is done, settled, will we have

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to revote in order to make the fee go back down to what was approved, or will it

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automatically roll back once you've come back and talked to us, I think is the main

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crux of the question.

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So paperwork-wise, I'll

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refer here to Tim, but I believe we would have to take that back out.

388
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We would do it immediately, but we would have the paperwork trail follow.

389
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You would have what?

390
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Tim?

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He would have the paperwork trail follow.

392
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Right.

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He would take the fee off as soon as they didn't need it anymore.

394
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Correct.

395
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So it wouldn't have to come back to us.

396
00:21:23,064 --> 00:21:23,725
You would automatically-

397
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Oh, we're going to see.

398
00:21:24,564 --> 00:21:24,744
No, we're going to see.

399
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We're going to see. Tim's going to tell us.

400
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Yes.

401
00:21:26,844 --> 00:21:27,114
Yes. Okay.

402
00:21:27,174 --> 00:21:32,094
It would come back to council to approve another amendment to the fee resolution.

403
00:21:33,265 --> 00:21:33,774
Okay. Thank you.

404
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Thank you.

405
00:21:34,494 --> 00:21:35,004
Sure.

406
00:21:35,064 --> 00:21:38,064
Well, then we'll know. Thank you. Thank you very much.

407
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Yep.

408
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Let's have a vote. All in favor of the transfer station diversion indicate by

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saying aye.

410
00:21:44,484 --> 00:21:44,604
Aye.

411
00:21:44,694 --> 00:21:44,904
Aye.

412
00:21:45,144 --> 00:21:45,684
Opposed?

413
00:21:46,284 --> 00:21:46,554
No.

414
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The motion carries.

415
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Roll call.

416
00:21:50,484 --> 00:21:52,734
Oh, do you want to do roll call? Okay, roll call. Okay, go ahead.

417
00:21:54,174 --> 00:21:54,444
Brad.

418
00:21:54,714 --> 00:21:56,154
We're going to do roll call.

419
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We'll do roll call.

420
00:22:14,094 --> 00:22:14,844
Thank you. Dr. Rupp?

421
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Yes.

422
00:22:16,374 --> 00:22:17,184
Mr. Hegberg?

423
00:22:17,454 --> 00:22:17,844
Yes.

424
00:22:18,174 --> 00:22:18,774
Mrs. Funk?

425
00:22:20,454 --> 00:22:20,664
No.

426
00:22:21,654 --> 00:22:22,254
Mr. Bob?

427
00:22:22,584 --> 00:22:22,824
No.

428
00:22:24,594 --> 00:22:26,124
Mr. Funk? I'm sorry.

429
00:22:26,214 --> 00:22:26,634
Yes.

430
00:22:27,174 --> 00:22:27,504
Yeah, you're

431
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here. Mr. Rustan?

432
00:22:30,594 --> 00:22:31,104
On the raise.

433
00:22:31,194 --> 00:22:31,584
Yes.

434
00:22:32,844 --> 00:22:33,714
Mr. Roland?

435
00:22:34,404 --> 00:22:34,794
Yes.

436
00:22:36,744 --> 00:22:37,584
Mr. Scott?

437
00:22:38,124 --> 00:22:38,334
No.

438
00:22:41,124 --> 00:22:46,644
Okay, we have three votes in opposition to the motion and seven-

439
00:22:47,334 --> 00:22:47,604
Five

440
00:22:48,114 --> 00:22:52,044
... sorry, five votes in favor. So the motion passes.

441
00:22:52,134 --> 00:22:52,554
Thank you.

442
00:22:54,024 --> 00:22:56,154
Moving on to finance personnel administration.

443
00:22:56,244 --> 00:23:00,594
Under that, we have a consideration motion to approve the appointment of Justin

444
00:23:00,654 --> 00:23:04,524
McGilvrey as the open records officer. Do I hear a second?

445
00:23:04,944 --> 00:23:05,274
Second.

446
00:23:05,544 --> 00:23:09,804
Thank you. Any questions regarding that? Just a comment?

447
00:23:10,314 --> 00:23:10,554
What is-

448
00:23:10,614 --> 00:23:11,364
Just-

449
00:23:11,454 --> 00:23:17,424
My question is on the open records office appointment, what is the job?

450
00:23:17,515 --> 00:23:18,714
What does it incur?

451
00:23:19,254 --> 00:23:20,814
It's freedom of information act.

452
00:23:20,844 --> 00:23:21,804
Besides being

453
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the secretary-

454
00:23:24,654 --> 00:23:26,334
Turn your mic on. Dora, you were that, weren't you?

455
00:23:28,524 --> 00:23:31,134
Yeah, I had that role as well. So

456
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they answer right to know requests for records.

457
00:23:36,624 --> 00:23:37,554
Okay. That's it?

458
00:23:37,794 --> 00:23:38,034
Yeah.

459
00:23:38,154 --> 00:23:39,174
Okay. Thank you, Dora.

460
00:23:40,614 --> 00:23:45,234
Okay. Any other questions? All in favor of that motion indicate by saying aye.

461
00:23:45,265 --> 00:23:45,265
Aye.

462
00:23:45,384 --> 00:23:45,534
Aye.

463
00:23:45,804 --> 00:23:50,574
Opposed? That motion carries. Moving on to additional public comment.

464
00:23:51,475 --> 00:23:53,124
I think we do have some additional public comment.

465
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Mr. Holt? Yes.

466
00:24:07,344 --> 00:24:13,225
I want to thank those who voted no for another tax increase, especially when

467
00:24:13,254 --> 00:24:18,294
we know a residential rate tax increase is in the making for 2027.

468
00:24:19,374 --> 00:24:24,144
$24 a quarter. And who do you think pays these commercial hauling?

469
00:24:24,414 --> 00:24:28,644
Because if you have to get something hauled out of your home or away from your

470
00:24:28,704 --> 00:24:31,225
property, well, where are they going to take it?

471
00:24:31,284 --> 00:24:34,854
If they take it to the waste transfer station, you'll pay in higher prices.

472
00:24:35,454 --> 00:24:36,864
So it's a tax increase.

473
00:24:38,604 --> 00:24:41,814
I want to go back to the budget and

474
00:24:43,884 --> 00:24:49,763
I feel like I've been played over and over again, and some of

475
00:24:49,824 --> 00:24:55,734
you are still playing me, as a taxpayer, and we never

476
00:24:55,854 --> 00:25:00,475
hear all the facts. We never see real numbers in

477
00:25:02,064 --> 00:25:05,664
logical spreadsheets like we saw from the fire commission.

478
00:25:06,684 --> 00:25:10,794
We never hear any real discussion. You're not truthful.

479
00:25:11,124 --> 00:25:16,434
You don't tell us the truth. And as Thomas Sowell said that

480
00:25:17,064 --> 00:25:21,774
it's not difficult to tell the truth, it's evading the truth that gets complex.

481
00:25:22,434 --> 00:25:28,015
But I just think you need another process than what you've been

482
00:25:28,104 --> 00:25:34,044
following in these budget discussions, that this cramming everything into

483
00:25:34,164 --> 00:25:38,665
one day, and even your own president had to leave because he was getting called

484
00:25:38,725 --> 00:25:43,434
away. It's difficult for people to come during the workday to hear anything at all,

485
00:25:43,495 --> 00:25:49,404
to have any input, and you've canceled and bypassed tons of

486
00:25:49,975 --> 00:25:54,294
committee meetings all year long. Last year, too.

487
00:25:54,654 --> 00:25:59,334
And you could've used some of those committee meetings as opportunities to explain

488
00:25:59,394 --> 00:26:04,644
things to the public and have some meaningful discussions amongst yourselves

489
00:26:05,124 --> 00:26:08,454
because you really don't even have meaningful discussions amongst yourselves

490
00:26:08,514 --> 00:26:14,004
because the truth is some of the information that's about this budget actually gets

491
00:26:14,094 --> 00:26:17,484
withheld from some of the council members. They don't know.

492
00:26:17,725 --> 00:26:21,084
They ask for information, and they get stonewalled.

493
00:26:21,475 --> 00:26:24,654
And so this is a dysfunctional process.

494
00:26:25,074 --> 00:26:29,874
It continues to disenfranchise the citizens of this borough, and

495
00:26:32,064 --> 00:26:37,105
it discourages people from coming to have any kind of meaningful impact and

496
00:26:37,855 --> 00:26:40,374
provide their opinions and viewpoints.

497
00:26:41,574 --> 00:26:44,634
And you should hear as many viewpoints as you can get.

498
00:26:44,754 --> 00:26:50,184
You should be out seeking them. But this process that you have where you say

499
00:26:50,245 --> 00:26:55,374
nothing for months leading up to the budget vote, and then you cram it all in one

500
00:26:55,434 --> 00:26:59,634
day and say, "Oh, well, we had a public meeting about it and you could've came."

501
00:26:59,784 --> 00:27:04,824
You didn't even record it yesterday, so nobody can even watch through the

502
00:27:04,884 --> 00:27:10,734
community access station. So I just don't know where you're

503
00:27:10,824 --> 00:27:15,234
at and why you think this is public service, but I will remind you, as members of

504
00:27:15,294 --> 00:27:21,234
council, you have a governance obligation, and just accepting whatever the staff

505
00:27:21,355 --> 00:27:26,514
says and just rubber stamping what's get put in front of you is not governance, and

506
00:27:26,574 --> 00:27:31,506
you have an obligation, and you can be held To task for that.

507
00:27:32,016 --> 00:27:37,746
And there's no errors and omissions policy that can give you a bypass

508
00:27:37,836 --> 00:27:41,106
on not doing your due diligence. And I thank you.

509
00:27:43,806 --> 00:27:44,796
Can I also-

510
00:27:44,826 --> 00:27:45,187
Sandy.

511
00:27:46,506 --> 00:27:46,506
Okay.

512
00:27:46,536 --> 00:27:47,196
Sandy Mount.

513
00:27:47,556 --> 00:27:47,856
Okay.

514
00:27:51,216 --> 00:27:53,106
Start that again. How do you start that again?

515
00:28:01,086 --> 00:28:06,156
I'll start off with the theater. I only had the theater on my list, but I will

516
00:28:06,187 --> 00:28:07,086
respond to that.

517
00:28:09,457 --> 00:28:13,986
I'm going to take this opportunity to apologize to the individuals who placed their

518
00:28:14,046 --> 00:28:18,695
trust in me in obtaining information regarding the theater on Frederick Street.

519
00:28:19,536 --> 00:28:23,796
As you well know, through community media, you saw the response that I received.

520
00:28:24,187 --> 00:28:25,716
"No, no, no."

521
00:28:27,666 --> 00:28:33,306
Yesterday, at the budget meeting, we found out that two-thirds of that building

522
00:28:34,056 --> 00:28:38,106
are being considered for demolition, and I underline considered,

523
00:28:39,696 --> 00:28:44,226
with a front facade surviving, but not necessarily the marquee.

524
00:28:44,826 --> 00:28:45,786
Do I have that correct?

525
00:28:52,146 --> 00:28:52,716
Years ago,

526
00:28:54,996 --> 00:28:56,136
late '60s, I believe,

527
00:28:57,666 --> 00:29:02,677
Gettysburg recognized they had a goldmine in their history.

528
00:29:06,516 --> 00:29:08,166
Somebody want to take over for me?

529
00:29:15,246 --> 00:29:20,886
They created a very strong tourist industry, which continues to

530
00:29:20,916 --> 00:29:21,786
thrive today.

531
00:29:23,377 --> 00:29:27,937
Hanover, unfortunately, failed to take advantage of that and follow suit.

532
00:29:28,866 --> 00:29:33,877
Consequently, the millions of dollars that Gettysburg has enjoyed from their

533
00:29:33,906 --> 00:29:39,096
investment in their history and their tourists has not come to Hanover.

534
00:29:40,177 --> 00:29:45,636
And today, as you consider destroying one of the landmarks that could possibly be a

535
00:29:45,726 --> 00:29:48,036
money generator, I wonder

536
00:29:49,776 --> 00:29:50,916
when you will ever learn.

537
00:29:55,326 --> 00:29:55,536
And

538
00:29:56,946 --> 00:29:57,906
next, I'd like to thank

539
00:29:59,766 --> 00:30:05,286
Mariah Tyler from Main Street Hanover for the quick response to my questions at the

540
00:30:05,346 --> 00:30:06,276
meeting yesterday.

541
00:30:09,486 --> 00:30:10,177
And lastly,

542
00:30:12,786 --> 00:30:14,136
Mr. Holt, you come before this

543
00:30:17,166 --> 00:30:20,016
body, pontificating every single meeting.

544
00:30:22,957 --> 00:30:24,877
You speak with a forked tongue.

545
00:30:26,526 --> 00:30:28,177
Your entire profession

546
00:30:29,526 --> 00:30:30,817
thrives- I'm sorry

547
00:30:30,877 --> 00:30:32,346
... on distorting the truth.

548
00:30:32,526 --> 00:30:34,446
I'm sorry, Sandy. I'm going to have to interrupt.

549
00:30:34,656 --> 00:30:38,256
It's inappropriate to speak about anyone from that podium.

550
00:30:38,886 --> 00:30:39,756
Well, I talk about the

551
00:30:42,635 --> 00:30:43,687
profession in general.

552
00:30:44,916 --> 00:30:46,596
Please be professional in your comments.

553
00:30:47,226 --> 00:30:47,766
I will try.

554
00:30:54,996 --> 00:30:55,596
You have

555
00:30:58,806 --> 00:31:03,966
led me to believe, as the rest of the profession, that you were going to help to

556
00:31:03,996 --> 00:31:06,366
get this resolved, and instead

557
00:31:07,776 --> 00:31:11,406
you played me for a fool, and I guarantee you, I am not a fool.

558
00:31:13,356 --> 00:31:14,136
Thank you, Sandy.

559
00:31:18,486 --> 00:31:21,846
We are pleased to have Chief Joe Bunty give us a police department update.

560
00:31:22,687 --> 00:31:26,466
Did I miss something? I'm sorry. Online participants? I'm sorry, I missed that.

561
00:31:27,096 --> 00:31:29,466
No. There is none.

562
00:31:29,526 --> 00:31:29,886
Nobody?

563
00:31:30,246 --> 00:31:31,687
Well, wait, don't they have to do statement?

564
00:31:32,406 --> 00:31:33,156
No, not for this.

565
00:31:35,317 --> 00:31:35,317
Oh.

566
00:31:35,346 --> 00:31:36,786
That's okay. AJ, just jump up.

567
00:31:37,326 --> 00:31:37,596
Okay.

568
00:31:39,036 --> 00:31:43,056
Anyone else that has anything before Joe does his presentation, please come up.

569
00:31:43,146 --> 00:31:44,886
I would like to say something, but-

570
00:31:45,846 --> 00:31:46,687
We can let AJ go first.

571
00:31:46,927 --> 00:31:47,226
Sure.

572
00:31:48,246 --> 00:31:53,586
So, okay. So, we usually hold this for announcements, but in order of allowing Mr.

573
00:31:53,766 --> 00:31:55,836
Bunty to go unfettered afterwards.

574
00:31:56,166 --> 00:32:00,366
So just a couple points of clarification as we usually do here at the end where

575
00:32:00,396 --> 00:32:03,427
some things may have been misunderstood.

576
00:32:04,746 --> 00:32:10,296
Two things. First of all, the hauling, and the temporary $2 fee,

577
00:32:13,116 --> 00:32:18,096
we went into this in depth last week, but the main payer of that would be outside

578
00:32:18,156 --> 00:32:23,406
commercial haulers who are hauling trash from other locations outside of the

579
00:32:23,466 --> 00:32:25,957
borough to the transfer station,

580
00:32:27,756 --> 00:32:32,526
to then take them somewhere else. So again, this affects nothing with residents.

581
00:32:33,067 --> 00:32:36,486
It would not affect anything if you call us to come and pick up large items.

582
00:32:36,906 --> 00:32:40,896
The only way it would affect you is if you were to load up a wagon with 2,000

583
00:32:40,957 --> 00:32:44,526
pounds and take it to the transfer station, you would have to pay an extra $2.

584
00:32:46,266 --> 00:32:49,207
Secondly, it was brought up about the proposed increase.

585
00:32:49,266 --> 00:32:55,177
The proposed increase on trash that we brought up yesterday was

586
00:32:55,326 --> 00:33:00,606
approximately $24 annually, not $24 per quarter. That's all. Thank you.

587
00:33:00,606 --> 00:33:00,696
Say that again.

588
00:33:02,377 --> 00:33:04,296
Not $24 per quarter?

589
00:33:04,416 --> 00:33:07,146
Annually, not per quarter. Correct.

590
00:33:08,437 --> 00:33:09,877
So that'd be $2 a month.

591
00:33:10,536 --> 00:33:11,886
Right. $6-

592
00:33:12,127 --> 00:33:14,286
That's a sizable difference. Thank you.

593
00:33:15,516 --> 00:33:17,707
Anyone else, updates? Okay.

594
00:33:18,516 --> 00:33:18,696
I have-

595
00:33:18,937 --> 00:33:20,076
Okay. Chief.

596
00:33:20,826 --> 00:33:22,086
Should I go after-

597
00:33:22,146 --> 00:33:22,536
I'm sorry

598
00:33:22,687 --> 00:33:23,437
... or before?

599
00:33:24,576 --> 00:33:24,906
Either.

600
00:33:24,966 --> 00:33:27,156
I want to bring up a point.

601
00:33:28,356 --> 00:33:28,716
I didn't hear you.

602
00:33:29,496 --> 00:33:31,356
Can I bring up a point now, or should I wait?

603
00:33:31,386 --> 00:33:31,836
Yeah. Go ahead, please.

604
00:33:32,016 --> 00:33:32,317
Okay.

605
00:33:34,177 --> 00:33:38,646
Most of us received an email from a landlord, I'll leave anonymous, but

606
00:33:39,966 --> 00:33:44,437
she brought up a good point about notifying

607
00:33:46,776 --> 00:33:48,846
enough where they can respond

608
00:33:51,906 --> 00:33:56,046
appropriately, because she was trying to respond appropriately, but missed one

609
00:33:56,226 --> 00:34:01,567
notification. So I want to actually open that up for discussion and understand

610
00:34:01,627 --> 00:34:05,976
better how we are notifying for rental registry currently,

611
00:34:08,196 --> 00:34:12,877
and incentivize people too, because that was one issue that we brought up

612
00:34:13,086 --> 00:34:15,756
yesterday, that we need to

613
00:34:18,067 --> 00:34:23,856
get more people to actually register, and maybe if we incentivize that process.

614
00:34:25,746 --> 00:34:25,986
So,

615
00:34:28,776 --> 00:34:31,086
what was claimed to have happened is that

616
00:34:33,216 --> 00:34:38,556
2025 registry was done, 2026 came around, no invoice was sent out,

617
00:34:39,696 --> 00:34:45,667
or it was missed. And then March, I think there was an email, and then again,

618
00:34:45,726 --> 00:34:51,096
that was missed, and then September rolled around, it was finally caught.

619
00:34:52,146 --> 00:34:56,256
So my suggestion would be more emails,

620
00:34:57,846 --> 00:34:58,956
and potentially

621
00:35:00,276 --> 00:35:01,567
at a weekly

622
00:35:02,976 --> 00:35:08,797
compounding, like a small amount, like $5 a week, but a weekly email to

623
00:35:08,856 --> 00:35:13,266
notify weekly. So it's really hard to avoid,

624
00:35:14,586 --> 00:35:18,486
which adds up to the same amount. If it's five, whatever the amount is.

625
00:35:19,086 --> 00:35:21,216
And then have an early bird

626
00:35:23,136 --> 00:35:27,306
option. So if it's due January 31st, I think is the deadline,

627
00:35:28,746 --> 00:35:34,476
bring it back to December 30th to say, $5 off, which could be

628
00:35:35,226 --> 00:35:36,096
incentive enough,

629
00:35:37,656 --> 00:35:38,466
to pay early.

630
00:35:41,706 --> 00:35:42,096
And then

631
00:35:44,556 --> 00:35:47,946
I think it's a new program. I think we owe it to them.

632
00:35:48,336 --> 00:35:49,146
Everybody's trying to

633
00:35:50,976 --> 00:35:56,916
get there with this to provide some amnesty to these late payments for

634
00:35:56,976 --> 00:35:57,726
that first year,

635
00:35:58,986 --> 00:35:59,886
up to a point.

636
00:36:01,356 --> 00:36:06,936
So there's a precedent, like no precedent, sorry, where this can't be used

637
00:36:07,026 --> 00:36:10,686
again. But for this previous program, the registry, have

638
00:36:13,686 --> 00:36:18,576
those fees applied to, credited towards their account

639
00:36:19,536 --> 00:36:20,766
for future registry,

640
00:36:21,996 --> 00:36:25,927
just for that first year to get through it because this was confusing everybody,

641
00:36:25,986 --> 00:36:26,766
apparently. So

642
00:36:29,466 --> 00:36:31,177
for the first year only,

643
00:36:32,646 --> 00:36:38,256
okay? So that people can get up to speed without being penalized.

644
00:36:39,126 --> 00:36:39,456
And then-

645
00:36:41,964 --> 00:36:47,844
I think those are all my thoughts. But really just to enhance the notification

646
00:36:49,014 --> 00:36:49,554
cadence.

647
00:36:51,594 --> 00:36:52,674
Could I respond?

648
00:36:53,694 --> 00:36:54,204
Sure.

649
00:36:54,294 --> 00:36:59,484
Okay. So I am in receipt of the email late today,

650
00:37:00,264 --> 00:37:04,614
and have begun a response. I have all the information I need from Chris.

651
00:37:05,424 --> 00:37:09,894
I actually spoke to the woman who wrote the email to all of you, personally.

652
00:37:11,275 --> 00:37:15,534
We are responsible for holding to our fee schedule.

653
00:37:16,164 --> 00:37:19,134
The person was notified multiple times. This is not the first year.

654
00:37:19,224 --> 00:37:24,504
Last year was the first year, and they complied last year with no problem, and were

655
00:37:24,564 --> 00:37:29,034
not assessed a late fee last year. No one was assessed a late fee last year, unless

656
00:37:29,034 --> 00:37:31,314
they didn't pay until this year. Now,

657
00:37:32,634 --> 00:37:36,234
you have some of the information that's accurate from the individual and some was

658
00:37:36,294 --> 00:37:41,754
left out. So that's about all I want to say, but I am copying each of you

659
00:37:41,934 --> 00:37:42,324
on

660
00:37:43,584 --> 00:37:44,724
my response to her.

661
00:37:46,074 --> 00:37:47,964
Okay. I just want to be-

662
00:37:48,025 --> 00:37:50,784
If we do it for one, Brad, we have to do it for everybody.

663
00:37:50,844 --> 00:37:52,434
No, I know. We would have to.

664
00:37:52,494 --> 00:37:55,614
It would be like a chief pulling somebody over and-

665
00:37:55,674 --> 00:37:56,124
No, I know

666
00:37:56,334 --> 00:37:59,154
... saying, "Okay, I'm going to let this-"

667
00:37:59,154 --> 00:38:03,054
I think it should be, honestly. Because the first time, you're not going to miss.

668
00:38:03,624 --> 00:38:08,484
They did a very good campaign of getting the word out, Facebook, et cetera.

669
00:38:09,804 --> 00:38:12,174
I just want to be sure that persists through,

670
00:38:13,674 --> 00:38:17,334
because they were expecting a paper invoice of some sort in it.

671
00:38:19,254 --> 00:38:24,684
Okay. Well, all right. So I got one side of the story, but I understand that.

672
00:38:26,784 --> 00:38:28,944
Going forward, though, take that...

673
00:38:30,714 --> 00:38:33,504
This is a customer complaint, let's just call it that,

674
00:38:34,855 --> 00:38:35,034
and

675
00:38:36,264 --> 00:38:41,844
take it into the next project, which would be the inspection, and try to roll this

676
00:38:41,874 --> 00:38:42,324
together

677
00:38:43,554 --> 00:38:44,544
for the sake of

678
00:38:45,744 --> 00:38:49,044
the burden, to reduce the burden on the landlords,

679
00:38:50,904 --> 00:38:55,404
and potentially have that payment process

680
00:38:57,144 --> 00:39:01,464
and the scheduling rolled into one, so they don't have to be...

681
00:39:02,605 --> 00:39:05,634
So they're currently thinking of it. They're paying the registration.

682
00:39:06,534 --> 00:39:10,884
"Okay, let's schedule." So it's all one process, and I think all this can be

683
00:39:11,064 --> 00:39:11,605
automated

684
00:39:12,864 --> 00:39:15,684
through the software, so create workflows to...

685
00:39:17,004 --> 00:39:21,444
I think it'd be better to over-communicate than under, especially in this

686
00:39:21,624 --> 00:39:27,114
situation. That's all. And so I don't think it would tax you any more

687
00:39:29,154 --> 00:39:31,134
to just set up an automated. If

688
00:39:32,634 --> 00:39:36,804
they have fees approaching, they get the automated email,

689
00:39:38,124 --> 00:39:41,814
and then in addition, a paper copy

690
00:39:43,284 --> 00:39:45,924
at a certain point, and that would be...

691
00:39:49,044 --> 00:39:53,034
All that's open for discussion. I just want to have the discussion and potentially

692
00:39:54,474 --> 00:39:55,764
create a resolution for that.

693
00:39:57,204 --> 00:39:58,974
Well, it sounds like Mark just wanted to-

694
00:39:59,034 --> 00:40:04,194
Now, it might be to hold off until we're actually talking about the inspection

695
00:40:05,364 --> 00:40:08,154
and roll it all into one, but I just want to bring it up.

696
00:40:09,444 --> 00:40:12,324
Well, apparently the rental inspection is going to be addressed at the next Public

697
00:40:12,384 --> 00:40:15,294
Safety Committee, and you may have missed that.

698
00:40:17,574 --> 00:40:19,164
No, I caught that.

699
00:40:19,224 --> 00:40:19,704
Okay. All right.

700
00:40:20,844 --> 00:40:23,605
I don't think the public knew that, but now they do.

701
00:40:24,474 --> 00:40:27,984
So yeah, the rental inspection will be brought back to Public Safety-

702
00:40:28,224 --> 00:40:28,284
Mm-hmm

703
00:40:28,284 --> 00:40:30,204
... and we'll have another chance to discuss

704
00:40:32,364 --> 00:40:33,355
details.

705
00:40:34,105 --> 00:40:34,314
Wonderful.

706
00:40:34,404 --> 00:40:39,744
So I would like to include improving, taking what we've learned from the

707
00:40:39,775 --> 00:40:42,174
registration program and apply it,

708
00:40:45,234 --> 00:40:49,494
because it's a good pilot. Let's just call it that. That's all.

709
00:40:51,504 --> 00:40:56,994
Mark, you any other comments? You good? All right. Okay, where are we here?

710
00:40:57,355 --> 00:40:57,504
Oh,

711
00:40:58,794 --> 00:41:04,614
anything else? It's the police chief's time. Please join us. Thank you.

712
00:41:04,644 --> 00:41:05,304
Thank you, Your Honor.

713
00:41:13,734 --> 00:41:17,124
Good evening. As you know, Joe Montine, Chief of Police.

714
00:41:18,324 --> 00:41:22,855
Thank you for having me tonight. I'd like to deliver a staff update for the police

715
00:41:22,884 --> 00:41:25,194
department or a state of the department address, if I may.

716
00:41:27,504 --> 00:41:29,694
The organizational chart currently, as you can see,

717
00:41:31,764 --> 00:41:35,004
overall, above the department, doesn't show up on the light, but you see the mayor

718
00:41:35,034 --> 00:41:36,684
and the flow down to the chief of police.

719
00:41:37,194 --> 00:41:41,394
The department then branches into the operational side with the lieutenant, and the

720
00:41:41,424 --> 00:41:44,784
flow under the lieutenant of being four patrol sergeants that are direct reports.

721
00:41:45,324 --> 00:41:49,014
At the bottom, you'll see a vacant detective sergeant position, and then a

722
00:41:49,074 --> 00:41:53,034
detective, an evidence technician, and an additional vacant detective spot.

723
00:41:54,294 --> 00:41:57,384
Looking at the administrative side, to the right, we have an administrative

724
00:41:57,474 --> 00:42:02,634
operations manager and a clerk, as well as an administrative clerk, and one of

725
00:42:02,664 --> 00:42:06,084
those positions will be vacant as of January 27.

726
00:42:07,944 --> 00:42:11,994
And that was planned, and the administrative operations manager position will cover

727
00:42:12,054 --> 00:42:16,434
for that. Personnel and staffing, currently, the approved complement, we discussed

728
00:42:16,464 --> 00:42:21,534
this yesterday in budget, was 26. There is a desire to add a dedicated drug

729
00:42:21,594 --> 00:42:24,924
investigator. We also discussed this yesterday during budget and talked about it

730
00:42:25,824 --> 00:42:30,504
being reasonable or feasible in '27, and currently, the goal overall is to reach

731
00:42:30,534 --> 00:42:33,834
the complement of 26 in what we call staff the street.

732
00:42:34,614 --> 00:42:39,414
Currently, we have 21 personnel, including a recent lateral transfer that we hired,

733
00:42:39,504 --> 00:42:43,884
as well as two cadets in the academy, and that places us down three.

734
00:42:44,964 --> 00:42:48,384
And then retirement on November 9th, it is planned, we will lose an officer, and

735
00:42:48,414 --> 00:42:49,614
that will place us down four.

736
00:42:51,384 --> 00:42:54,894
And this is a reference to the total complement of 26 and not the desired

737
00:42:54,954 --> 00:42:55,974
complement of 27.

738
00:42:58,614 --> 00:43:03,744
Current hiring status. So the police department is hired with the Metropolitan New

739
00:43:03,775 --> 00:43:06,293
York Police Testing Consortium since approximately 2008.

740
00:43:07,554 --> 00:43:11,874
The peak applicant numbers at one time were around 700 in a testing cycle.

741
00:43:12,444 --> 00:43:16,734
Testing at one time required sessions on Friday evening, Saturday, and Sunday

742
00:43:16,794 --> 00:43:17,034
morning.

743
00:43:18,444 --> 00:43:20,184
Unfortunately, that is no longer the case.

744
00:43:20,964 --> 00:43:25,764
The spring and fall 2026 sessions netted approximately 35 and 25 candidates,

745
00:43:25,855 --> 00:43:31,314
respectively. The police department also held our first lateral exam in

746
00:43:31,464 --> 00:43:34,044
2026 with your approval and the approval of civil service.

747
00:43:34,464 --> 00:43:38,514
We received two applicants. One was hired, and that officer is currently in an

748
00:43:38,544 --> 00:43:42,384
administrative period, working in the office right now until they begin their field

749
00:43:42,414 --> 00:43:47,454
training program next week. We are also currently working on a fall 2026 hiring

750
00:43:47,484 --> 00:43:52,284
list. We've actually already contacted all the candidates from the previous test on

751
00:43:52,314 --> 00:43:56,124
the last two Saturdays, and we have appointments with all the candidates that would

752
00:43:56,154 --> 00:44:01,525
be viable for us and would be able to meet our qualifications regarding the

753
00:44:01,554 --> 00:44:05,334
testing. So they're already on queue to be interviewed, and we will proceed from

754
00:44:05,364 --> 00:44:06,714
there with background investigations.

755
00:44:07,344 --> 00:44:11,214
And also, we are still currently planning on conducting another lateral exam as

756
00:44:11,275 --> 00:44:11,544
needed.

757
00:44:13,284 --> 00:44:16,164
Identity and branding. As you know, we've discussed this before.

758
00:44:16,194 --> 00:44:19,794
The officers had designed a new shoulder sleeve insignia or patch to wear.

759
00:44:20,874 --> 00:44:24,444
They've done that. The patches have been received, and we are currently working

760
00:44:24,474 --> 00:44:28,344
with a local tailor for sewing and developing a schedule to have them sewn onto the

761
00:44:28,404 --> 00:44:33,684
uniforms and outer garments. The police vehicles, they also came up with a design

762
00:44:34,134 --> 00:44:37,914
back in the January, February timeframe with the transition of the department and

763
00:44:38,244 --> 00:44:42,924
came up with a new schematic. We have one vehicle that has already been taken to an

764
00:44:42,954 --> 00:44:46,704
outfitter. It is currently at the outfitter, has the new design on it, and we have

765
00:44:46,734 --> 00:44:50,605
two vehicles in queue to go. And the expectation to place the first vehicle in

766
00:44:50,634 --> 00:44:54,624
service is somewhere between approximately September 28th and October 2nd.

767
00:44:55,434 --> 00:44:58,284
A little bit of supply chain issue with some of the parts for that vehicle.

768
00:44:58,764 --> 00:45:02,394
As soon as that is assembled and is returned to us, you will see it on the street,

769
00:45:02,544 --> 00:45:04,644
and we will then cycle another vehicle through.

770
00:45:05,275 --> 00:45:08,754
We upfit vehicles one at a time to maintain our fleet and have as many vehicles

771
00:45:08,844 --> 00:45:12,775
available as possible within the borough, and at the same time, we want to try our

772
00:45:12,834 --> 00:45:14,034
best to do this efficiently.

773
00:45:15,864 --> 00:45:19,074
Noise ordinance report. As you know, there's a quarterly requirement for a noise

774
00:45:19,105 --> 00:45:24,324
ordinance report. And just a quick look back, going from May 1st to August 31st, as

775
00:45:24,355 --> 00:45:29,275
part of the report, we had 124 cases that also included domestic arguments, loud

776
00:45:29,334 --> 00:45:31,074
neighbors, loud music, barking dogs.

777
00:45:31,794 --> 00:45:36,444
We issued, in that time period, 91 non-traffic citations, excuse me, for noise

778
00:45:36,474 --> 00:45:38,514
ordinances, disorderly conduct, and harassment.

779
00:45:39,324 --> 00:45:42,504
29 written warnings for the noise ordinance itself and specifics of the ordinance

780
00:45:42,534 --> 00:45:46,464
were issued, and there were 33 verbal warnings for noise ordinance, and five

781
00:45:46,494 --> 00:45:49,014
incidents where we educated the public on the noise ordinance.

782
00:45:49,644 --> 00:45:50,694
So it is being enforced.

783
00:45:53,478 --> 00:45:58,368
Also, May 1st through August 31st, we saw a generally localized

784
00:45:59,628 --> 00:46:03,138
situation with three places in the borough, three geographic locations, the 1100

785
00:46:03,168 --> 00:46:07,158
block of Carlisle Street, where we had several large gatherings of subjects that we

786
00:46:07,188 --> 00:46:10,428
would disperse and issue them warnings for noise ordinance violations and other

787
00:46:10,938 --> 00:46:14,478
activities. The 200 block of Baltimore Street and center block of North Franklin

788
00:46:14,538 --> 00:46:17,838
Street also saw upticks in calls related to disturbances.

789
00:46:20,058 --> 00:46:21,378
Quality of life and order maintenance.

790
00:46:21,738 --> 00:46:25,608
One of the things that we discussed early on with this administration in coming on

791
00:46:25,908 --> 00:46:28,638
was that we wanted to try to improve the quality of life for borough residents and

792
00:46:28,699 --> 00:46:34,158
visitors. And the definition for us of quality of life offenses include things like

793
00:46:34,279 --> 00:46:38,928
criminal trespass, liquor law violations, disorderly conduct, public drunkenness,

794
00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:42,768
scattered rubbish, and although it's not a quality of life issue itself, but

795
00:46:42,828 --> 00:46:45,888
somewhat parallel and often related, are assaults.

796
00:46:47,358 --> 00:46:50,598
Currently, one of the reports that I'm trying to provide to Borough Council is a

797
00:46:50,628 --> 00:46:54,199
report that is geographically focused on Centre Square and the first two blocks of

798
00:46:54,228 --> 00:46:57,048
Baltimore Street, Carlisle Street, and Frederick Street, or what we call the

799
00:46:57,078 --> 00:47:01,038
business district. This is an area that's drawn a lot of focus over the summer, so

800
00:47:01,068 --> 00:47:04,308
this is an area that we've directed patrols and provided some direction to the

801
00:47:04,398 --> 00:47:06,648
officers regarding enforcement.

802
00:47:08,449 --> 00:47:12,618
In that time frame of July 1st through August 31st, we had six incidents of

803
00:47:12,648 --> 00:47:16,098
criminal trespass, and we issued five non-traffic citations.

804
00:47:16,638 --> 00:47:20,568
We had zero incidents that we detected or reported of a liquor law violation

805
00:47:20,688 --> 00:47:24,348
pertaining to underage drinking. Disorderly conduct, 13 incidents.

806
00:47:24,438 --> 00:47:29,779
We issued 10 non-traffic citations, and there was one charge of disorderly conduct

807
00:47:29,808 --> 00:47:31,878
that was on a criminal complaint for a misdemeanor offense.

808
00:47:32,268 --> 00:47:35,088
Public drunkenness, 100% enforcement.

809
00:47:35,449 --> 00:47:38,268
There were eight incidents that were either reported or detected, and we issued

810
00:47:38,508 --> 00:47:42,438
eight non-traffic citations. Scattered rubbish, did not detect any.

811
00:47:42,918 --> 00:47:46,428
And assaults, we had one assault that was reported or detected, and we did charge

812
00:47:46,488 --> 00:47:48,078
somebody and arrest them with a criminal complaint.

813
00:47:49,368 --> 00:47:50,928
So overall, going back to that,

814
00:47:52,428 --> 00:47:53,748
pretty high levels of enforcement.

815
00:47:54,468 --> 00:47:57,648
Percentage is pretty high that if one of those incidents occurs in that business

816
00:47:57,708 --> 00:48:01,068
district, we close the case with an arrest or some type of enforcement action.

817
00:48:02,208 --> 00:48:06,048
Moving forward with additional quality of life and order maintenance issues, I'd

818
00:48:06,078 --> 00:48:09,138
like to talk about the unhoused population. This has been a hot topic.

819
00:48:09,228 --> 00:48:12,558
I've had various members of Borough Council and other elected officials come to me

820
00:48:12,978 --> 00:48:17,238
and want to discuss the unhoused population of the borough and issues associated to

821
00:48:17,268 --> 00:48:22,518
the unhoused population. Three common approaches that you'll find in police-related

822
00:48:22,578 --> 00:48:28,248
textbooks or patrol-related textbooks regarding the unhoused population and trying

823
00:48:28,338 --> 00:48:32,928
to perhaps navigate that issue, the approaches would be zero tolerance enforcement

824
00:48:33,288 --> 00:48:36,468
across the board, outsourcing, and benign neglect.

825
00:48:36,949 --> 00:48:40,578
Obviously, the police department knows that the Borough Council has zero intent to

826
00:48:40,638 --> 00:48:45,558
engage in benign neglect, and you also realize that we should be compassionate and

827
00:48:45,618 --> 00:48:47,898
not engage in strict zero tolerance enforcement.

828
00:48:50,208 --> 00:48:55,218
We have elected to attempt to do everything through a hybrid approach regarding the

829
00:48:55,279 --> 00:48:58,938
unhoused population of both selective enforcement and a direction to resources.

830
00:48:58,998 --> 00:49:03,138
So really combining somewhat of zero tolerance where it would be applicable, but

831
00:49:03,199 --> 00:49:06,408
also outsourcing, trying to provide direction to resources.

832
00:49:08,807 --> 00:49:11,568
Some of the operations that we've engaged in include cooperation with code

833
00:49:11,628 --> 00:49:15,828
enforcement and public works, a timely response to complaints of scattered rubbish,

834
00:49:16,038 --> 00:49:18,018
abandoned property, and quality of life issues.

835
00:49:18,738 --> 00:49:22,008
A couple of examples of this are the scattered rubbish that we sometimes see,

836
00:49:22,398 --> 00:49:25,878
downtown area parks, et cetera, where property has been abandoned, left behind, or

837
00:49:25,938 --> 00:49:28,908
scattered. We would call Director Grimm's office.

838
00:49:28,998 --> 00:49:30,768
They would send a truck out almost immediately.

839
00:49:31,188 --> 00:49:33,858
We would gather those items up, and we would dispose of them.

840
00:49:35,029 --> 00:49:38,538
We shorten the loop on that between public works and the police department by not

841
00:49:38,808 --> 00:49:42,168
submitting a paper work order necessarily and waiting a business day over the

842
00:49:42,199 --> 00:49:46,368
course of a weekend. Director Grimm has provided a vehicle and a crew almost

843
00:49:46,398 --> 00:49:50,088
immediately every time. This includes also if we would find an abandoned campsite,

844
00:49:50,148 --> 00:49:53,988
something like that. If it's scattered rubbish, there's no expectation of privacy,

845
00:49:54,438 --> 00:49:57,288
and we have not encountered any reason to hold that property.

846
00:49:57,618 --> 00:50:00,408
If it looks like trash, we dispose of it immediately.

847
00:50:01,758 --> 00:50:03,798
Shopping cart return initiative with code enforcement.

848
00:50:05,238 --> 00:50:11,058
A little-known law in Title 18 is actually the misuse of a shopping cart or a crate

849
00:50:11,298 --> 00:50:16,668
from a retail establishment. And one of the things that code enforcement under

850
00:50:16,728 --> 00:50:20,568
Chief Miller has brought forth was an initiative to try to return shopping carts to

851
00:50:20,748 --> 00:50:24,648
retail establishments. We've assisted with this, and when we spot shopping carts,

852
00:50:24,708 --> 00:50:29,058
we contact the stores or contact code enforcement and ask them to, and we then

853
00:50:29,088 --> 00:50:31,878
arrange for shopping carts to be picked up and taken back to stores.

854
00:50:34,068 --> 00:50:38,688
And directed patrols. Again, based on call volume, complaint volume, and the

855
00:50:38,748 --> 00:50:42,348
general pulse of the public as well as feedback we've received from our Borough

856
00:50:42,408 --> 00:50:46,279
Council and other officials, we've tried to direct patrols to the areas where they

857
00:50:46,308 --> 00:50:47,298
are most likely needed.

858
00:50:48,678 --> 00:50:52,699
The last thing I'd like to speak about on this slide is the CIT form submission.

859
00:50:53,208 --> 00:50:55,578
CIT stands for Crisis Intervention Team.

860
00:50:56,118 --> 00:50:58,758
The majority of the police officers in the Hanover Borough Police Department have

861
00:50:58,818 --> 00:51:01,998
undergone a 40-hour crisis intervention team program.

862
00:51:02,418 --> 00:51:08,298
This 40-hour program is designed to train officers to encounter, engage, and

863
00:51:08,328 --> 00:51:12,679
help solve problems with members of a population that may have a mental wellness or

864
00:51:12,739 --> 00:51:17,688
emotional wellness issue. When they complete those calls, all officers, not just

865
00:51:17,718 --> 00:51:22,968
CIT-trained officers, will submit a CIT form, which we then submit to the county,

866
00:51:23,298 --> 00:51:27,918
to the co-responder program. They can then reach back out to the person that we

867
00:51:27,949 --> 00:51:31,878
made contact with, try to contact them, and offer them some types of services.

868
00:51:32,508 --> 00:51:35,959
They will actually, they being the county, being the co-responder program, will

869
00:51:36,018 --> 00:51:40,728
actually contact us, follow up, and ask for more information, or they may contact

870
00:51:40,788 --> 00:51:46,579
us and tell us the outcome of their contact and if somebody accepted resources or

871
00:51:46,608 --> 00:51:48,829
is now in programming, something like that.

872
00:51:49,188 --> 00:51:54,768
So it does work, and it's just another method of hopefully addressing a situation

873
00:51:54,798 --> 00:51:56,658
and bringing resources to people that need it.

874
00:51:58,429 --> 00:52:02,329
Additionally, some other efforts to discuss zero tolerance.

875
00:52:02,868 --> 00:52:07,068
There have been some zero tolerance enforcement directions given to the patrols,

876
00:52:07,128 --> 00:52:11,358
specifically, as I stated, the downtown area, the business district, Centre Square.

877
00:52:12,228 --> 00:52:15,528
Through the number of complaints that we received and the frequency of the

878
00:52:15,558 --> 00:52:19,788
complaints and the intensity of some of the situations, I gave direction to the

879
00:52:19,847 --> 00:52:24,018
department this summer to go ahead and enforce everything zero tolerance on the

880
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:27,108
square. If it was a quality of life issue, we were going to charge for it.

881
00:52:28,008 --> 00:52:30,888
Anecdotally, I believe in some ways it's made a difference when I drive through the

882
00:52:30,918 --> 00:52:34,489
square and I'm looking. However, I'm not satisfied necessarily.

883
00:52:34,668 --> 00:52:37,548
I don't expect council will be either, and I would hope that you're actually not.

884
00:52:39,018 --> 00:52:42,888
Cooperative efforts also with communication with partner organizations resulting

885
00:52:42,949 --> 00:52:45,829
recently in a zero tolerance agreement and following citations.

886
00:52:47,388 --> 00:52:51,018
This bullet speaks specifically to an agreement that was developed between the

887
00:52:51,079 --> 00:52:55,699
police department and a private property situation or an owner of a private

888
00:52:55,699 --> 00:52:59,658
property that is an organization in the borough where they had encountered numerous

889
00:52:59,688 --> 00:53:02,028
problems that were quality of life related.

890
00:53:03,108 --> 00:53:08,688
They initially tried to warn subjects or people. They tried to educate them.

891
00:53:08,778 --> 00:53:13,608
They tried to provide a certain level of tolerance to the behavior, and eventually

892
00:53:14,298 --> 00:53:16,938
it was obvious that that was not working. They contacted us.

893
00:53:16,998 --> 00:53:20,239
They told us that they would support prosecution, and within a very short period of

894
00:53:20,268 --> 00:53:21,949
time, we'd issued several citations.

895
00:53:22,518 --> 00:53:26,808
That same location is also carefully patrolled by code enforcement because they've

896
00:53:26,898 --> 00:53:30,978
also found problems there that pertain specifically to code-related issues, and so

897
00:53:31,008 --> 00:53:34,878
we've both been working on that to hopefully, through the course of enforcement,

898
00:53:35,209 --> 00:53:38,898
deter further activities that would go against the norms and ordinances and laws of

899
00:53:38,929 --> 00:53:39,648
the Borough of Hanover.

900
00:53:42,348 --> 00:53:46,098
Again, just to speak briefly to the co-responder program and an update to the

901
00:53:46,128 --> 00:53:49,728
council on co-responder. We currently have a co-responder; however, it is a remote

902
00:53:49,818 --> 00:53:54,318
co-responder. Previously, going back to 2021, for several years, we had a

903
00:53:54,348 --> 00:53:56,898
co-responder that was located with the police department.

904
00:53:57,679 --> 00:53:59,959
Unfortunately, we lost the staffing of that co-responder.

905
00:54:00,768 --> 00:54:04,368
But we do have a co-responder that is located in Adams County, falls under the same

906
00:54:04,398 --> 00:54:08,628
parent organization, and they will assist us if needed and can be called and

907
00:54:08,688 --> 00:54:13,518
summoned to the scene. Additionally, there is a co-responder position that they are

908
00:54:13,548 --> 00:54:16,818
trying to fill at this time, which will double the number of co-responders that

909
00:54:16,818 --> 00:54:20,989
will be available to us, and we look forward to that because we have some plans, as

910
00:54:21,018 --> 00:54:23,808
you'll see, to use that co-responder in another effort.

911
00:54:27,378 --> 00:54:30,138
There were two previous efforts that are notable in the County of York.

912
00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:31,878
I'd like to talk about them very briefly.

913
00:54:32,508 --> 00:54:34,848
One was in Springsbury Township, and one was in New York City.

914
00:54:35,298 --> 00:54:38,329
Both of these were related to the unhoused population.

915
00:54:39,258 --> 00:54:44,388
A comparison of those events are more in line with large encampments or populations

916
00:54:44,449 --> 00:54:48,768
that were unhoused and were in some type of small outdoor area.

917
00:54:49,459 --> 00:54:53,268
There was tentage, tarps, things like that, and they were there and somewhat

918
00:54:53,298 --> 00:54:56,329
embedded in the community. In both of those situations

919
00:54:57,618 --> 00:55:02,959
They developed plans in cooperation with both police agencies and other disciplines

920
00:55:02,989 --> 00:55:07,818
such as MHIDD, Friends and Neighbors, the York County Homeless Coalition, and all

921
00:55:07,848 --> 00:55:12,079
of them worked together beginning initially with an outreach program, education,

922
00:55:12,408 --> 00:55:14,808
offering resources, and then developing a timeline.

923
00:55:15,588 --> 00:55:19,638
After the timeline had expired, they then would try to relocate, and if they needed

924
00:55:19,668 --> 00:55:22,338
to at that point, they adopted an enforcement policy.

925
00:55:23,868 --> 00:55:25,668
We're somewhat different in that situation.

926
00:55:27,618 --> 00:55:29,778
In our situation, we do not have the large encampments.

927
00:55:30,558 --> 00:55:34,098
We've been addressing those situations on a case-by-case basis, but we do recognize

928
00:55:34,098 --> 00:55:38,058
that we have an unhoused population, and we understand that also that population is

929
00:55:38,118 --> 00:55:41,748
somewhat underrepresented, and we want to try to get resources to them that may

930
00:55:41,808 --> 00:55:45,407
cause them to have a positive transition, and it may solve some of the issue or

931
00:55:45,438 --> 00:55:49,429
address some of the issue. At the same time, we recognize that there may be law and

932
00:55:49,489 --> 00:55:53,209
legal issues that we have to address under Title 18 of our ordinance, and we'll do

933
00:55:53,298 --> 00:55:58,068
so. Our plan is to do something similar as we move forward, but it's going to be

934
00:55:58,128 --> 00:56:02,778
tailor-made for the borough, and it would include police, MHIDD, York County

935
00:56:02,838 --> 00:56:06,018
Coalition on Homelessness, Life Changing Pathways, Friends and Neighbors.

936
00:56:06,558 --> 00:56:11,148
So we've contacted them. I sent them an email trying to start that process and put

937
00:56:11,209 --> 00:56:13,038
a meeting together to see if they would all be partners.

938
00:56:13,398 --> 00:56:16,489
So I can't speak at this point and say that they're in or that it's a guarantee,

939
00:56:16,908 --> 00:56:19,848
but they did assist both York City and Springsbury.

940
00:56:20,118 --> 00:56:23,959
I believe they're both committed, so hopefully we'll have some success there.

941
00:56:25,248 --> 00:56:29,929
Our goal with a positive response from those agencies is to team together and have

942
00:56:29,989 --> 00:56:31,579
a multidisciplinary response effort.

943
00:56:32,329 --> 00:56:36,618
And my vision of that would be actual public outreach, probably in the evening

944
00:56:36,709 --> 00:56:40,938
hours, late afternoon to evening hours, where we would go out on foot face-to-face.

945
00:56:41,298 --> 00:56:44,088
The law enforcement footprint or signature would actually be small.

946
00:56:44,148 --> 00:56:47,898
We'd be there for safety because initially the goal is not necessarily law

947
00:56:47,929 --> 00:56:50,058
enforcement or zero tolerance enforcement of laws.

948
00:56:50,388 --> 00:56:53,449
We're doing that at the areas now where that needs to be done, but this would be

949
00:56:53,508 --> 00:56:57,739
more for outreach and trying to deliver services and direct people to those points

950
00:56:57,768 --> 00:57:00,528
of assistance that could hopefully cause a positive transition.

951
00:57:03,798 --> 00:57:04,489
That's really it.

952
00:57:06,228 --> 00:57:07,098
Does anybody have any questions?

953
00:57:08,148 --> 00:57:08,478
I do.

954
00:57:09,498 --> 00:57:09,739
Sir.

955
00:57:11,148 --> 00:57:11,478
Did you-

956
00:57:12,168 --> 00:57:13,098
The other Mike does.

957
00:57:13,158 --> 00:57:13,699
Oh, I'm sorry.

958
00:57:13,758 --> 00:57:13,938
Sorry.

959
00:57:15,408 --> 00:57:19,668
I do appreciate you putting an emphasis on the noise ordinance in general.

960
00:57:20,298 --> 00:57:24,378
I noticed that most of what you identified was stationary sources and not mobile.

961
00:57:24,798 --> 00:57:25,278
That's correct, sir.

962
00:57:25,728 --> 00:57:29,628
I don't know if you have any data on mobile, but mobile is one of the biggest

963
00:57:29,658 --> 00:57:34,518
problems, particularly cars that are so loud that they jack up their stereo three

964
00:57:34,579 --> 00:57:35,239
times louder.

965
00:57:37,338 --> 00:57:42,709
So I just wanted to know how are we going to address some of the more mobile

966
00:57:42,978 --> 00:57:43,548
sources?

967
00:57:44,478 --> 00:57:46,848
I would say with the mobile situation, it's going to have to be an on view

968
00:57:46,908 --> 00:57:48,739
situation where somebody actually sees it.

969
00:57:49,278 --> 00:57:52,848
There is a possibility of having a stationary detail that would observe a location

970
00:57:52,908 --> 00:57:56,418
where we have repeated complaints, and we could target that area because we know

971
00:57:56,478 --> 00:58:00,079
that there's a probability we would see that offense, and that's definitely a way

972
00:58:00,108 --> 00:58:01,548
we can handle that and address that.

973
00:58:01,579 --> 00:58:05,239
Generally Friday nights or the first 65-degree day in the spring.

974
00:58:05,508 --> 00:58:05,718
Sure.

975
00:58:06,739 --> 00:58:09,348
In the square you will get them.

976
00:58:09,857 --> 00:58:12,768
And that's definitely a direction we can add to the zero tolerance on the square at

977
00:58:12,798 --> 00:58:15,918
this point in time. And perhaps because it is somewhat different from the other

978
00:58:15,978 --> 00:58:20,358
issue, we'd probably begin with a discretionary program of warnings, gain

979
00:58:20,388 --> 00:58:22,008
compliance, and then move on from there.

980
00:58:25,699 --> 00:58:31,668
Yes, I have several. First I wanted to go back to you said the,

981
00:58:33,588 --> 00:58:38,628
it was NTC, the non-car citation, right?

982
00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:41,868
Just so I can have a better understanding of that.

983
00:58:41,929 --> 00:58:45,679
That is when someone's citation is not involved in a vehicle.

984
00:58:45,858 --> 00:58:46,638
Is that what that means?

985
00:58:46,699 --> 00:58:48,978
Correct. A non-traffic citation. I apologize, Councilman.

986
00:58:49,008 --> 00:58:49,579
No, no, no, it's okay.

987
00:58:49,848 --> 00:58:49,848
Yep.

988
00:58:49,878 --> 00:58:54,498
It was just seeing, knowing what it is, I assumed the word explained what it was.

989
00:58:54,588 --> 00:58:54,888
Sure.

990
00:58:54,949 --> 00:58:56,058
I didn't want it to be anything else.

991
00:58:56,628 --> 00:58:58,608
Right. So in the commonwealth, we have two citations.

992
00:58:58,668 --> 00:59:00,079
One is traffic, and one is non-traffic.

993
00:59:00,138 --> 00:59:03,258
So your criminal offenses, they fall under the NTC.

994
00:59:03,348 --> 00:59:04,728
We issue the non-traffic for those.

995
00:59:04,968 --> 00:59:08,748
Perfect. And then going to the

996
00:59:10,368 --> 00:59:13,668
one situation in York. Were you talking about the compassionate cleanout or the one

997
00:59:13,699 --> 00:59:15,888
they had in downtown city with an encampment?

998
00:59:16,518 --> 00:59:19,308
So I wouldn't be able to say which one it is specifically.

999
00:59:19,938 --> 00:59:19,938
Yeah.

1000
00:59:19,968 --> 00:59:23,538
What I will tell you is that I've been in touch with a member of the DA's office

1001
00:59:23,959 --> 00:59:29,028
that was in some way involved in both incidents, not incidents, but in both

1002
00:59:29,088 --> 00:59:33,199
operations in York City and in Springsbury, and they provided me with kind of a

1003
00:59:33,258 --> 00:59:35,508
pathway to follow with those other organizations.

1004
00:59:37,098 --> 00:59:39,079
Yes. Just with

1005
00:59:40,728 --> 00:59:44,838
those members as well, how they were done working with members was a different

1006
00:59:44,898 --> 00:59:47,688
operation, I would say. I think the compassionate cleanout that happened this

1007
00:59:49,668 --> 00:59:54,048
spring, right? It was a different approach than the one encampment that happened

1008
00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:57,408
that was downtown York, right? Downtown York happened because, an encampment

1009
00:59:57,438 --> 01:00:01,158
happened because of the benign neglect from the mayor's office, right?

1010
01:00:01,218 --> 01:00:03,408
And so that was a bad situation that happened because of that.

1011
01:00:03,438 --> 01:00:06,199
So I'm happy to see you're going to try to take that approach, right?

1012
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:07,429
It is a bad

1013
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:12,318
equation for everyone involved with that, so I'm happy to see that.

1014
01:00:12,348 --> 01:00:15,498
And those groups you have there, I think makes a lot of sense.

1015
01:00:16,548 --> 01:00:20,148
I'd also just remember as well to work with Changing Lives Shelter, I imagine-

1016
01:00:20,209 --> 01:00:20,209
Sure

1017
01:00:20,239 --> 01:00:22,758
... I don't think you're not going to forget that or the BLH group.

1018
01:00:23,148 --> 01:00:23,239
Right.

1019
01:00:24,528 --> 01:00:27,288
The Friends and Neighbors was doing a really good job.

1020
01:00:27,739 --> 01:00:30,498
But because I'm on these calls, right?

1021
01:00:30,558 --> 01:00:34,489
I'm on the monthly calls for what's going on throughout the entire county, so I

1022
01:00:34,579 --> 01:00:39,079
know what the groups are looking at, like not just for Changing Lives, but also in

1023
01:00:39,138 --> 01:00:40,068
York City itself.

1024
01:00:41,568 --> 01:00:44,658
If they don't get back to you this week, give them time.

1025
01:00:44,808 --> 01:00:48,468
HUD just reopened their whole approval process for something else because of the-

1026
01:00:48,498 --> 01:00:48,498
Okay

1027
01:00:48,498 --> 01:00:49,878
... whole lawsuit, everything else.

1028
01:00:50,118 --> 01:00:52,308
If they don't get back to you by October, please let me know and I'll make sure-

1029
01:00:52,308 --> 01:00:52,848
Sure

1030
01:00:52,878 --> 01:00:53,718
... Kelly gets back to you.

1031
01:00:53,778 --> 01:00:54,648
I appreciate that. Thank you.

1032
01:00:54,679 --> 01:00:54,918
Of course.

1033
01:00:56,239 --> 01:00:58,218
But this seems really pretty good.

1034
01:00:58,429 --> 01:01:00,438
The thing I'd also add is you can email this to me.

1035
01:01:00,528 --> 01:01:03,498
As you know, I'm a big fan who likes seeing electronic documents.

1036
01:01:03,498 --> 01:01:03,558
Certainly.

1037
01:01:03,618 --> 01:01:05,358
So I can always go back to it.

1038
01:01:05,568 --> 01:01:08,329
No problem. And we'll actually make sure that all council can have this, then.

1039
01:01:08,598 --> 01:01:09,709
I'm going to assume nonetheless.

1040
01:01:09,739 --> 01:01:10,158
And Council-

1041
01:01:10,248 --> 01:01:10,608
Certainly

1042
01:01:11,028 --> 01:01:14,028
... just done a great job of giving us an overview of what our policemen do.

1043
01:01:14,268 --> 01:01:17,449
They're pretty busy people, and I appreciate your concentration downtown.

1044
01:01:17,508 --> 01:01:20,838
I'm sure the rest of us do, and I'm sure the citizens do, too.

1045
01:01:21,168 --> 01:01:23,358
And if there's anything we can ever do to help you, you need to let us know.

1046
01:01:23,628 --> 01:01:24,408
All right. Thank you very much.

1047
01:01:24,438 --> 01:01:25,007
Thank you very much.

1048
01:01:25,038 --> 01:01:25,998
Thank you.

1049
01:01:26,118 --> 01:01:26,897
I have a question.

1050
01:01:26,987 --> 01:01:28,667
I'm sorry. Yes, please.

1051
01:01:29,058 --> 01:01:34,459
Are we showing any improvement in the

1052
01:01:35,449 --> 01:01:41,298
homeless situation? Because I passed tonight at New Hope, and

1053
01:01:41,358 --> 01:01:44,418
they were sitting on, lounging, laying.

1054
01:01:45,618 --> 01:01:46,788
What I'm saying is

1055
01:01:48,138 --> 01:01:52,668
they have the right to sit on the sidewalks if they want to, and I realize all the

1056
01:01:52,728 --> 01:01:58,699
legality of this, but the complaints that are coming into me from my fifth ward

1057
01:01:58,788 --> 01:02:04,699
are unbelievable. And tonight when I crossed over to attend these meetings tonight,

1058
01:02:05,929 --> 01:02:07,878
they were there. Sometimes they're gone.

1059
01:02:10,218 --> 01:02:13,638
How are you handling that at the two

1060
01:02:16,429 --> 01:02:22,098
key areas? One was on Corl and one was on Baltimore Street,

1061
01:02:22,158 --> 01:02:27,288
because when the people want to go to the Center Square, they pass through all of

1062
01:02:27,348 --> 01:02:33,318
this. So the indication of what we're dealing with is there before they

1063
01:02:33,378 --> 01:02:37,968
reach Center Square. Are we seeing any type of improvements?

1064
01:02:38,508 --> 01:02:42,468
Are we making any headways right here in our own town?

1065
01:02:42,949 --> 01:02:47,748
I know we're addressing York, but I don't live in York, and the people that are

1066
01:02:47,778 --> 01:02:52,308
responding and calling me don't live in York. They live here.

1067
01:02:52,968 --> 01:02:54,228
And their question is,

1068
01:02:55,429 --> 01:02:59,778
is it improving? Because what they're seeing is it is not improving.

1069
01:02:59,929 --> 01:03:03,228
I think you made some headway out around Royal,

1070
01:03:05,298 --> 01:03:07,218
there where the old Sears building is.

1071
01:03:07,368 --> 01:03:07,398
Right.

1072
01:03:07,459 --> 01:03:08,898
You had a problem. Okay.

1073
01:03:11,209 --> 01:03:17,028
Are we making headway? Do you see anything that gives us at least hope

1074
01:03:18,228 --> 01:03:23,658
that we're resolving these issues, or are we simply going round robin and

1075
01:03:23,718 --> 01:03:29,478
continuing to spend more and more of the taxpayers' money, which we

1076
01:03:29,598 --> 01:03:33,348
are, because all the money comes in from people who either donate or they're

1077
01:03:33,438 --> 01:03:39,138
taxpayers. Are we seeing any improvement at all

1078
01:03:39,228 --> 01:03:42,618
from our area? I don't care about York. I really don't.

1079
01:03:43,038 --> 01:03:47,358
But I do care about Hanover because I'm here to represent the people.

1080
01:03:48,108 --> 01:03:50,929
Is there anything we can give them, any updates?

1081
01:03:53,982 --> 01:03:57,762
Yes, Councilor Funk. I think if you go back and you look at, first things first,

1082
01:03:58,902 --> 01:04:04,123
statistically, the issuance of citations and/or charges, and the fact that we are

1083
01:04:04,512 --> 01:04:08,322
in some of those areas that I broke down, we're at almost 100% enforcement.

1084
01:04:08,952 --> 01:04:12,822
Which means the officers are either investigating something and they're closing the

1085
01:04:12,883 --> 01:04:16,692
case with an arrest or a charge, or it's on view and they're taking action.

1086
01:04:17,142 --> 01:04:21,522
I think that's very positive, and that shows headway because there is a completion

1087
01:04:21,552 --> 01:04:25,932
to it. It's not open-ended. It's not a complaint where someone has called, and it

1088
01:04:25,992 --> 01:04:29,142
is unfinished in the eyes of the justice system.

1089
01:04:29,592 --> 01:04:34,302
Another indicator, if you will, that I would look at, would be the fact that we've

1090
01:04:34,332 --> 01:04:38,562
recently engaged in the relationship that I spoke of with a private property owner

1091
01:04:38,623 --> 01:04:41,892
that was having issues and problems on their property.

1092
01:04:42,312 --> 01:04:46,692
They engaged us, and they agreed to enter into that relationship with us where they

1093
01:04:46,722 --> 01:04:50,982
would support prosecution, and they would send a member of their organization to

1094
01:04:51,042 --> 01:04:55,512
court to serve as a witness. And that opened up the door to enforce more on that

1095
01:04:55,542 --> 01:04:57,612
property and to hopefully address those issues.

1096
01:04:57,702 --> 01:05:01,812
I think gaining that public trust and cooperation also is an indicator of headway.

1097
01:05:02,172 --> 01:05:06,282
And I'd like to also state that including York City and Springsbury in those other

1098
01:05:06,342 --> 01:05:08,503
models really is for comparison purposes.

1099
01:05:09,012 --> 01:05:13,932
But within the concept of intelligence-based policing, there really isn't a need

1100
01:05:13,962 --> 01:05:18,522
for us to reinvent the wheel. I think we have to tailor the wheel for our road in

1101
01:05:18,612 --> 01:05:19,992
our borough. I think that's the goal.

1102
01:05:20,202 --> 01:05:21,072
Thank you for that.

1103
01:05:23,802 --> 01:05:24,192
Thank you.

1104
01:05:24,373 --> 01:05:24,792
Yes, ma'am.

1105
01:05:28,212 --> 01:05:29,532
Mr. Rolland.

1106
01:05:29,623 --> 01:05:29,892
May I?

1107
01:05:30,913 --> 01:05:31,212
Please.

1108
01:05:32,442 --> 01:05:32,712
I would

1109
01:05:35,353 --> 01:05:36,642
like to compliment

1110
01:05:38,922 --> 01:05:42,192
Chief Bunte on their efforts,

1111
01:05:43,692 --> 01:05:49,603
and their success in the past six months, in 2026, since you've

1112
01:05:49,663 --> 01:05:50,322
taken over.

1113
01:05:52,062 --> 01:05:53,112
I know there's been some

1114
01:05:54,972 --> 01:05:56,052
influx of

1115
01:05:59,022 --> 01:06:04,152
new people and new variables in the equation that we didn't have

1116
01:06:05,623 --> 01:06:06,282
last year.

1117
01:06:07,812 --> 01:06:13,482
But I personally can see, and I report this from our

1118
01:06:13,542 --> 01:06:19,332
tenants also, that a dramatically improved police

1119
01:06:19,422 --> 01:06:20,413
presence

1120
01:06:22,092 --> 01:06:27,253
has stemmed some of the problem with the increased

1121
01:06:28,692 --> 01:06:34,332
undesirable people and improved the overall

1122
01:06:34,452 --> 01:06:40,422
environment. So I thank you for that, and I certainly don't envy

1123
01:06:40,482 --> 01:06:45,913
your job at all. It's brutal, but you and your

1124
01:06:45,972 --> 01:06:50,202
organization have made, I think, some dramatic improvements.

1125
01:06:50,262 --> 01:06:54,042
And I'd just like to leave, from my wife and I,

1126
01:06:55,753 --> 01:06:59,922
our thanks to you for all your efforts and your success.

1127
01:07:00,792 --> 01:07:02,202
I appreciate that, Councilor.

1128
01:07:02,322 --> 01:07:07,633
Scott, are you having an improvement, where you discussed with me, are you finding

1129
01:07:07,692 --> 01:07:11,802
an improvement with your rental properties?

1130
01:07:12,582 --> 01:07:13,633
Well, candidly,

1131
01:07:14,952 --> 01:07:20,802
as of the end of August, we sold our final residential

1132
01:07:20,892 --> 01:07:25,152
rental property. So I have a biased opinion.

1133
01:07:25,452 --> 01:07:25,633
I'm

1134
01:07:27,612 --> 01:07:29,832
no longer in the residential aspect of it.

1135
01:07:29,862 --> 01:07:33,192
We still have the commercial properties and-

1136
01:07:33,282 --> 01:07:38,562
Yeah. I was talking about the commercial property across from Royal Farms.

1137
01:07:38,623 --> 01:07:38,892
Mm-hmm.

1138
01:07:39,462 --> 01:07:42,942
And you were having problems. Do you see that that has improved?

1139
01:07:43,182 --> 01:07:43,452
Yes.

1140
01:07:43,452 --> 01:07:43,902
Okay. Thank you.

1141
01:07:44,742 --> 01:07:48,222
And the police engagement there has improved dramatically.

1142
01:07:48,282 --> 01:07:48,462
Great.

1143
01:07:49,092 --> 01:07:49,572
And

1144
01:07:51,432 --> 01:07:55,032
again, I've said this a million times, but I don't believe you can

1145
01:07:56,472 --> 01:07:58,812
change these people's behavior.

1146
01:08:00,103 --> 01:08:04,482
The best you can hope for is you move it, and they move somewhere else.

1147
01:08:05,172 --> 01:08:09,432
And I'm certainly good with that. They move away from Hanover.

1148
01:08:10,242 --> 01:08:12,582
I look at it in a very parochial sense.

1149
01:08:13,422 --> 01:08:13,812
Thank you.

1150
01:08:15,042 --> 01:08:15,312
You're welcome.

1151
01:08:15,312 --> 01:08:16,512
Any other questions, comments?

1152
01:08:17,052 --> 01:08:21,702
I just want to ask if there's anything that you would need, any sort of...

1153
01:08:22,152 --> 01:08:22,482
You said

1154
01:08:23,982 --> 01:08:28,663
that it helped a lot when the business owner or the property owner made a complaint

1155
01:08:29,652 --> 01:08:32,532
and got engaged and actually wanted to prosecute.

1156
01:08:33,612 --> 01:08:37,633
So do we need more of that from the community sense?

1157
01:08:38,383 --> 01:08:40,333
Should the community get more engaged?

1158
01:08:41,472 --> 01:08:43,873
Would that help, or would it get in the way, or?

1159
01:08:45,192 --> 01:08:49,542
I think the willingness of a community member to support prosecution is huge, and

1160
01:08:49,572 --> 01:08:53,322
I'd like to see that from all of our business owners, all of our property owners,

1161
01:08:53,413 --> 01:08:54,192
everybody that

1162
01:08:55,542 --> 01:08:58,962
we, as a police department, would deal with either as a property owner or victim.

1163
01:08:59,593 --> 01:09:02,952
I realize there are some dynamics involved sometimes, Councilor, where they may not

1164
01:09:03,012 --> 01:09:06,913
want to respond, they may not want to be involved, they may not want to prosecute.

1165
01:09:07,152 --> 01:09:12,253
And that's totally their right. But it is very important that that happens in this

1166
01:09:12,282 --> 01:09:14,322
situation, and it did, and I think that's positive.

1167
01:09:14,892 --> 01:09:18,522
I think the biggest thing that I'm grateful for right now, in going back to

1168
01:09:18,552 --> 01:09:22,333
Councilor Rolland and his compliment, is one, the efforts of the men and women of

1169
01:09:22,362 --> 01:09:26,172
the police department. Bottom line, they're doing everything they can to be

1170
01:09:26,202 --> 01:09:28,633
proactive with limited numbers and staffing.

1171
01:09:28,902 --> 01:09:34,003
And two, the support that I've received from day one from both the appointed

1172
01:09:34,062 --> 01:09:36,942
officials on the administrative side of the borough and the elected officials and

1173
01:09:37,003 --> 01:09:42,853
council. So I think right now we have a pretty good secret recipe to this,

1174
01:09:43,333 --> 01:09:47,353
and I think we just have to continue to move forward and try to tweak it as best we

1175
01:09:47,413 --> 01:09:48,913
can for the borough's needs.

1176
01:09:49,242 --> 01:09:49,482
All right.

1177
01:09:49,542 --> 01:09:50,442
So thank you.

1178
01:09:52,003 --> 01:09:54,312
We certainly appreciate your efforts, so thank you very, very much.

1179
01:09:54,642 --> 01:09:55,062
Thank you, ma'am.

1180
01:09:55,392 --> 01:09:57,162
And you'll send us each a copy of the PowerPoint.

1181
01:09:57,372 --> 01:09:57,883
Yes, ma'am.

1182
01:09:57,912 --> 01:09:58,633
Thank you very much.

1183
01:09:58,662 --> 01:09:58,902
Thank you.

1184
01:09:58,932 --> 01:10:01,152
Okay. I have one final announcement.

1185
01:10:01,182 --> 01:10:04,392
Please plan to exit the building within 15 minutes following adjournment so the

1186
01:10:04,452 --> 01:10:06,883
staff may secure the building and depart for the evening.

1187
01:10:07,212 --> 01:10:08,742
And I need a motion for adjournment.

1188
01:10:08,832 --> 01:10:09,492
So motion.

1189
01:10:09,582 --> 01:10:10,032
Second.

1190
01:10:10,152 --> 01:10:13,782
Second. All right. Third. All in favor indicate by saying I. I.

1191
01:10:13,902 --> 01:10:13,962
I.

1192
01:10:13,992 --> 01:10:16,692
We're adjourned. Thank you. At 8:20.