1 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:14,960 Adequate notice of the August 13th, 2026 regular meeting of the township 2 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:18,560 committee has been provided in accordance with the open public meetings 3 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:23,920 act by posting written notice and agenda of the meeting on the bulletin board in 4 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:28,880 the municipal building 100 township and by posting same on the official township 5 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:32,559 website and by delivering such notice to the following newspaper. 6 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:36,960 Morris County Daily Record hand of a floor and pork eagle tap into hand of 7 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:41,280 attention and by following the same with the township clerk. 8 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,440 » Roll call. Committeeman Cahill >> here. 9 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,440 » Committee mana here. >> Committeeman Francioli 10 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,120 » here. >> Deputy Mayor Mahalo 11 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:48,480 » here. >> Mayor Gallagher 12 00:00:48,079 --> 00:00:52,079 » here. >> Five members in attendance. 13 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:55,760 » Okay. If you would please join us in the pledge of allegiance and please remain 14 00:00:53,680 --> 00:01:00,960 standing for a prayer led by Deputy Mayor Michael Mahalo. I aliance to the 15 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:06,640 flag of America to the republic for which it 16 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:10,799 stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice 17 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:17,280 for all. [cough] Excuse, 18 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:21,040 sorry. Almighty God, please watch over and guide this governing body with an 19 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:24,400 abundance of wisdom and understanding to help make the best decisions for our 20 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:29,439 residents. Please bless our first responders and tatch of volunteers who 21 00:01:26,479 --> 00:01:33,280 help keep us all safe. Also, bless our township of employee and residents. 22 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:40,040 Lastly, please let us pray for the men and women of the US armed forces who 23 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:40,040 stand vigil over us always. Amen. Amen. 24 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:50,960 » Joseph. So ladies and gentlemen, we have a 25 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:56,960 special presentation this evening to someone who is very 26 00:01:53,759 --> 00:02:02,399 active in our community. And it goes without saying this person 27 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:08,160 is definitely uh someone who should get some kind of 28 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:14,560 recognition from the township of Hanover and from fire district number three. So, 29 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:19,520 James Hark, Senior, this is your night and we'd like to present you with a 30 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:25,200 plaque in gratitude in recognition of all your service to Hanover Township. 31 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:30,160 And with uh your approval, Mayor, members of Township Committee, like to 32 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:34,720 read the plaque into the record. Hanover Township Distinguished Community 33 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:41,360 Service Award presented to James Hart, Senior, in 34 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:47,920 recognition of his outstanding community pride and active participation and 35 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:52,959 service in many civic and township activities and programs. The township 36 00:02:50,959 --> 00:02:59,040 committee and the commissioners of Howard Township Fire District number 37 00:02:55,120 --> 00:03:08,042 three salute you for your exemplary leadership, commitment, and dedication. 38 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,042 So this is for you, JANE. [applause] 39 00:03:10,607 --> 00:03:12,627 [applause] 40 00:03:25,519 --> 00:03:28,519 YEAH. 41 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,800 AUSTRALIA. 42 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,480 HEAT. 43 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,840 HEAT. 44 00:03:54,492 --> 00:03:56,512 [music] 45 00:03:59,077 --> 00:04:01,097 [music] 46 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,760 HEAT. HEAT. 47 00:04:10,212 --> 00:04:12,232 [music] 48 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,640 YEAH. 49 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,560 HEAT. 50 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,720 YEAH. 51 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,000 HEAT. 52 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:45,240 YEAH. HEAT. 53 00:05:03,919 --> 00:05:07,320 Miss you. 54 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,080 Yeah. Heat. 55 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,080 Heat. 56 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:32,199 Heat. 57 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:54,479 Ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to leave after seeing that big recognition 58 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:57,039 of James Hark, Senior, we won't be offended. We do have some business to 59 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:02,080 take care of, but you're more than welcome to stay. But James Hark Senior 60 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:05,120 and your entire family, Mrs. Hark, thank you for everything and God bless you 61 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,514 guys. We appreciate you once again. Thank you. [applause] 62 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,600 Chris. 63 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:20,880 » Okay. Good evening everyone. First on the agenda is a letter of resignation. A 64 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:24,800 letter of retire I'm sorry, a letter of retirement from Diane Herzick as the 65 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:30,240 health department secretary Oprah coordinator effective October 30th, 66 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:34,960 2026. May please have a motion to accept Diane's letter of resign of retirement. 67 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,880 So move. >> May I have a second? Second. 68 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:42,000 » All in favor? >> I. 69 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:45,280 » So accepted. Next on the agenda is the approval of the township committee 70 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:48,400 meeting minutes of July 9th. May I have a motion to approve the meeting minutes? 71 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:51,600 » So move. >> We have a second. 72 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:56,720 » All in favor? >> So approve. 73 00:06:54,639 --> 00:07:02,560 Next is the introduction of ordinances. I like to read each title into the 74 00:06:58,479 --> 00:07:05,919 record. The first is ordinance 29-2026. in ordinance of the township committee 75 00:07:03,919 --> 00:07:10,240 of the township of handover authorizing the execution of a lease agreement with 76 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:14,400 the handover Tigers youth football and cheerleading and operating the B metal 77 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:20,400 park brickyard concession facility retroactive to August 1st 2026 78 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:25,360 through November 30th 2026 during the football season. 79 00:07:22,479 --> 00:07:29,199 Next is ordinance 30-2026 is an ordinance of the township committee of 80 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:34,080 the township of handover establishing the salaries of patrolman, detectives, 81 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:42,080 sergeants, and police officers assigned to the detective bureau for calendar 82 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:46,080 years 2026, 2027, 2028, and 2029. The next is ordinance 30-2026, 83 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:50,400 an ordinance of the township of handover, county of Morris, state of New 84 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:56,479 Jersey, reaffirming the continuation of chapter 120, article 3, cannabis of the 85 00:07:53,599 --> 00:08:00,479 code of the township of handover. I'd also like to make a mention that 86 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:04,160 another additional ordinance will be introduced tonight. During the legal 87 00:08:02,479 --> 00:08:09,360 session, the township committee decided to introduce ordinance 32-2026. 88 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:15,199 I will also read that into the title into the record. 89 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:19,360 Ordinance number 23-2026, an ordinance of the township of Hanover 90 00:08:17,039 --> 00:08:24,879 Morris County, New Jersey, amending article 21, conditional uses in order to 91 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:30,160 amend the conditional use requirements for motor motor vehicle repair or 92 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:34,399 maintenance establishments in the IB3 zone district. I'd like to state for the 93 00:08:32,959 --> 00:08:38,479 record that the ordinances and their respective notices of introduction will 94 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:43,360 be published in full in the township's website under legal notices according to 95 00:08:40,959 --> 00:08:48,880 law. The public hearing is scheduled for September 10th, 2026 at 8:00 p.m. If any 96 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:52,959 member of the public would like to be heard regarding these ordinances, they 97 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:59,360 will be given the opportunity to do so that evening. May I please have a motion 98 00:08:55,200 --> 00:09:02,959 to introduce ordinances 29, 30, 31, and 32? So moved. May I have a second? 99 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,120 » Second. >> On roll call. Commun May Hill. 100 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,959 » Hi. >> Committeeman Baramosa. 101 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,560 » Hi. >> Committeeman Francioli. 102 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,160 » Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Malco. 103 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,120 » Yes. >> Mayor Gallagher. Hi. 104 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,720 » So introduced, including the new addition. 105 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:23,279 » Next of the order of business is the approval of resolutions as a consent 106 00:09:18,959 --> 00:09:27,839 agenda. Resolution numbers 161-2026 through 189-2026. 107 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:32,519 Does any member of the committee have any questions regarding any of these 108 00:09:29,519 --> 00:09:32,519 resolutions? 109 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:39,360 » May I please have a motion to approve the resolutions as a consent agenda? 110 00:09:37,839 --> 00:09:43,200 » Motion second. >> All in favor? 111 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:48,200 » I resolutions are so approved. Next, we have to pay our bills in the amount of 112 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,200 $8,648,72462. 113 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,640 May I please have a motion to pay the bills? A motion for the CFO to pay the 114 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,600 bill. >> Thank you, John. May I have a second? 115 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:02,000 » Second. >> All in favor? 116 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:06,480 » I >> bills are to be paid and members, mayor, 117 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:10,000 and the members of the committee. That clears my portion of the agenda and I 118 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:12,800 thank you very much. >> Thank you very much, Christian. Great 119 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:16,399 job. >> Okay. Can I have a motion open to the 120 00:10:14,399 --> 00:10:20,320 public? >> Second. All in favor? All in favor? 121 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:23,279 Anyone from the go uh from the public would like to address the governing 122 00:10:21,519 --> 00:10:28,920 body, please step up to the podium, state your name, address, and you have 123 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:28,920 four minutes. 124 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:49,839 Hello, Chris Sunset tonight representing the environmental 125 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:49,839 commission. I'd like to follow up 126 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:12,440 this thing on. Thank you, Kim. 127 00:11:08,959 --> 00:11:12,440 There we go. 128 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:19,279 Sorry, my f 129 00:11:20,079 --> 00:11:27,240 sunset. I'm here today environmental commission following 130 00:11:32,079 --> 00:11:36,360 data centers for project 131 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:45,279 together is a thorough 132 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,320 business 133 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:58,360 because we consider it for any major company. 134 00:11:58,399 --> 00:12:09,800 So I just want to follow up on that and see if uh any other information or any 135 00:12:04,399 --> 00:12:09,800 other things I can help the process. 136 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:17,200 Chris, I will say that we did discuss this issue and we did discuss that we 137 00:12:16,079 --> 00:12:22,079 were going to have to do our due diligence and start to explore options 138 00:12:19,279 --> 00:12:25,680 and especially limits. Uh, I appreciate your offer to help us. I know you put 139 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:28,720 quite a bit of time into it when we go a little further down the road. And 140 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:32,240 Jeeoff, if you want to jump in, when we go a little further down the road, we 141 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:36,320 would appreciate your input and any insight you have into how we can make a 142 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:39,440 better decision moving forward. Jeeoff, you want to add to that? Yeah, the only 143 00:12:37,839 --> 00:12:43,760 thing I'll say is that obviously this is a really hot uh button issue all across 144 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:48,480 the state and uh the mayor said the words due diligence. I think that's 145 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:53,040 couldn't be uh any better said and so uh that process is being done. Um you know 146 00:12:50,959 --> 00:12:59,440 when and if it becomes anything more then u certainly you know we'll we'll 147 00:12:56,079 --> 00:13:08,160 contact everybody we need to. >> Thank you chair. just reflect my own 148 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:11,160 sense of urgency. I ask it [music] was effect 149 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:29,680 I appreciate that. The only thing I'll say and and Jeff you can stop me is um 150 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:33,760 two two different properties we were contacted and they wanted to talk to us 151 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:40,720 about our vision and our vision for Hannover and they asked us what our 152 00:13:37,839 --> 00:13:44,720 position was on data centers and uh I let them know straight up that it's 153 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:49,279 going to be a very heavy lift. I said a lot of us don't understand right now all 154 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:54,160 that we should to make a very good decision for our municipalities. I said 155 00:13:52,079 --> 00:13:59,519 we're taking small steps and working to understand it, but at least we had two 156 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:03,360 companies understand and respect the fact that we're not prepared to do 157 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:08,720 anything right now and we understand limits is very very important. 158 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:12,000 But um like I said, we are beginning our due diligence and we've had two 159 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:15,240 developers that were very respectful of our position. 160 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:25,720 Not as 161 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,720 with the law% 162 00:14:27,199 --> 00:14:36,720 commercial just as 163 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:39,920 a tenant or a property developer. >> Jeff, do you have that information or 164 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:45,720 Jerry? >> Not at the top of my head. I imagine 165 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,720 that it's the developer. 166 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:51,600 Oh, apologies. Uh, I don't know for certain off the top of my head, so I'm, 167 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:55,199 you know, wary of saying anything definitively, but my assumption is is 168 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:59,639 that it's the developer and I can look into that further. 169 00:14:56,639 --> 00:14:59,639 » Okay. 170 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:12,440 change another 171 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:31,360 » I'm thinking um you know I I always don't want to go into too many specifics 172 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:35,360 on anything if it's if um but uh there are a lot of things that can be 173 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:38,800 negotiated um I I'm not sure that this is one of them. Uh, and so I I don't 174 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:43,040 really know how to answer your question at this point in time, but uh, I'm I'm 175 00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:51,000 not certain. My actual question is 176 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,000 217% 177 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,959 I don't understand. 178 00:16:24,399 --> 00:16:29,759 » Uh, I don't have that document in front of me and I haven't looked at it and I 179 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:33,920 don't know if I've ever looked at it, but I can and will do and I can uh get 180 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:37,600 we can get back to you on that. >> Chris, can you get that to Joe? And Joe, 181 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,600 if you could deal with Jeff, that'd be great. 182 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:48,839 » That'd be great. >> Thank you. Anyone else? 183 00:16:59,839 --> 00:17:05,399 My question is possibly 184 00:17:09,039 --> 00:17:12,120 Heat. Heat. 185 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:35,760 Uh the same 186 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:38,760 s sorry 187 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:45,440 the last time we discussed it you said that you know we were getting 188 00:17:43,039 --> 00:17:51,559 supplemented with water from Payic. Am I correct or incorrect? 189 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,559 » Yes sir. No sir, 190 00:17:52,000 --> 00:18:01,919 I'm asking a question. Did you Did you say to me that we were now also getting 191 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:07,840 supplemented from bayic for water? >> Yeah, blended. 192 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:13,280 » Blended. Blended. Okay. So, um is that because our water table's been depleted 193 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:18,559 or is it for some other reason? >> Not to my knowledge. 194 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:22,720 » Okay. So my assumption is is that our water 195 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:26,240 is coming from our own water table. Am I correct or incorrect? 196 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:29,200 » My understanding, and I haven't been brought up to date on it yet, but I know 197 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:34,160 the mayor's working with the water company, 198 00:18:31,039 --> 00:18:39,679 is that uh through American Waterworks, we're now using our wells with Todd 199 00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:45,360 Well, etc., and blending in conjunction with safe river water. Uh I think that 200 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:49,520 agreement was undertaken some years ago to asssure that Hanover and other 201 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:55,600 communities that were in American Waterworks always had water. So we have 202 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:59,600 not been uh affected by droughts and other types of uh issues. 203 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:02,400 » Right. So I'm I'm assuming that >> no supply issues, 204 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:05,840 » right? So I'm assuming that our water comes from our our water table. Yeah. 205 00:19:04,953 --> 00:19:12,240 [clears throat] So uh my question is is that before and 206 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:16,799 whilst you know the township has to progress and everything like that 207 00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:20,559 when you're doing any studies for any new construction or anything like that 208 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:25,440 does the township do any hydraological studies or groundwater 209 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:31,480 uh impact assessments before 210 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:31,480 you decide to do the planning? 211 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:37,520 Mayor, I don't have I don't have any knowledge on any studies you've 212 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:40,520 undertaken on the groundwater stuff. Jerry, 213 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:47,360 » I don't have any knowledge of that either except that I can say that any 214 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:51,840 new development that comes before the planning board. Um, they are required to 215 00:19:49,919 --> 00:19:56,640 have the approval of the Southeast Morris County Water Authority to make 216 00:19:54,240 --> 00:20:00,799 sure that they can properly service that development. 217 00:19:57,360 --> 00:20:04,240 » Yeah, but that's not what I'm asking. I'm not asking whether the water company 218 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:10,240 can send a pipe to wherever they're developing. That's all I'm asking. 219 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:16,559 What I'm asking is is that the water comes from our wells. Our wells are fed 220 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:21,120 by aquifiers. Okay. 221 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:28,559 When you do the development or you put in a parking lot or do whatever. Okay. 222 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:33,600 Is there a groundwater assessment or some kind of impact study done that 223 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:39,919 would affect the wells that would cause our wells to fall dry and then we have 224 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:43,600 to go get our water from somewhere else? Again, I think that question is best 225 00:20:41,679 --> 00:20:48,080 answered by the water authority as they manage their wells because part of that 226 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:51,520 um that approval from the water authority is not just whether they have 227 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:55,120 pipes in the [music] in in front of the street to connect to. It's whether they 228 00:20:53,200 --> 00:21:01,520 have enough water to serve that facility. Okay. So, you're telling me 229 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:06,799 basically that the I'm sorry, I apologize if I thought. Okay. So, 230 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:12,039 you're basically telling me that the this doesn't fall under the township's 231 00:21:09,039 --> 00:21:12,039 remitt. 232 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:21,760 Maybe this answer is best answered by a planner, but when the the town uh does a 233 00:21:19,679 --> 00:21:25,919 master plan analysis, I'm sure they reach out, they also reach out to the 234 00:21:23,679 --> 00:21:31,200 water authority to provide comments about how they plan [clears throat] for 235 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:36,159 future development. Again, that would be maybe an answer 236 00:21:33,919 --> 00:21:41,760 best answered a question best answered um by the township planner 237 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:48,200 as as part of that master plan approval process. 238 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:48,200 » Okay. And who's who's out of planning? 239 00:21:49,919 --> 00:21:56,480 » I think right now we had a consulting planner used to have anywhere else that 240 00:21:53,840 --> 00:22:02,799 help monitors the quality of the water uh for sure purity etc. That's one 241 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:07,840 thing. But some time ago, most of our draws from what's known as the Bird 242 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:13,039 Valley Water Aquifer. Bird Valley Water Aquifer not only is underneath Hanover 243 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:17,200 Township, it goes as far as the oranges. And we've been drawing down on that when 244 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:22,400 we were using all our wells. There came a point where the state came in, the D 245 00:22:19,919 --> 00:22:26,080 came in and then limited how much water we could draw from the wells. I think 246 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:30,640 that was part of the reason we went to American Waterworks at that time. Okay. 247 00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:36,080 But as for any additional studies that have taken place since I defer to uh I 248 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:41,039 don't know of any on our board of health that have come my way but I I don't 249 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:45,200 think we undertake such such studies. >> I I don't think it's a border of health 250 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:49,600 health issue because border health will be dealing with security issue. 251 00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:53,440 » Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. But border of health wouldn't deal 252 00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:57,919 with the supply issue because this information usually comes 253 00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:02,240 from USGS. I know that because I have the USGS software. Anyway, I was just 254 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:06,240 » What I'd like to ask you to do, John, as you know, now more than ever, we're 255 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:10,159 interacting with the water authority. >> Yeah. 256 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:13,840 » Um, please send me, email me a paragraph or two. 257 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:17,919 » Uh, I will share it with the appropriate professionals and I will get you an 258 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:21,120 answer, a specific answer on this question. 259 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:24,640 » Okay. I I would appreciate if you give me an email. Couple as long as you want 260 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:29,200 a couple paragraphs would be great. I'll share with our professionals and I will 261 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:33,200 share and our planner now is Burgess. We have a couple different planners that 262 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:36,640 sit in that big chair and we will loop them in and we'll get very specific 263 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:42,159 answers for you. Well, the only reason and I'm sorry, the only reason why I'm 264 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:46,080 asking the question is because uh Mr. Fioli, you know, brought this subject up 265 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:51,440 that we were getting the water from the Pay River now also and the water was 266 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:56,240 hard and that blah blah blah. So, I'm just wondering that's all. Thank you 267 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:59,640 very much. Thanks. Anyone else? 268 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:19,520 » Good evening. Terry Baird from the Whip section of Hanover Township. Um I have a 269 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:24,799 question in reference to uh agreements with developers in reference to property 270 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:32,480 maintenance. For example, when a developer uh 271 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:37,919 abandons a building and they just uh they don't hire their landscaper anymore 272 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:43,919 to uh keep the sidewalks clean and stuff like that. Um some of the locations of 273 00:24:41,919 --> 00:24:50,400 local developers who have left their buildings you know, have the grasses 274 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:53,760 knee high along the sidewalk and, you know, people are walking along those 275 00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:58,960 sidewalks and, you know, ticks like to be in those high grasses. So, it does 276 00:24:56,159 --> 00:25:02,880 help with the tick population. Um, so I was wondering if there's is there any 277 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:08,720 agreement with these developers that they don't have to maintain their 278 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:13,200 landscaping anymore when they uh abandon a building. 279 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:16,880 Joe, we just talked about one or two specific properties lately. Uh, do you 280 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:20,559 want to jump in on this and give us a broad brush? 281 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:26,640 » Terry, there's there's really nothing in the code that would prohibit them from 282 00:25:24,159 --> 00:25:32,159 taking care of their property. I mean, if they're the owner of the property, as 283 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:38,799 far as I'm concerned, they have to abide by the property maintenance code. And if 284 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:44,799 they abandon the property or they sell the property, then whomever takes 285 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:51,520 control of the property, I think under our regulations is required to maintain 286 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:57,919 the property. So if there is um an entity that you're aware of that is not 287 00:25:55,039 --> 00:26:02,400 maintaining a parcel, then I'd like to know who it is and then I will take that 288 00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:07,760 up with the construction official. >> Okay. Well, it's 4G own property at 80 289 00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:12,799 South Jefferson. It's 4G own property uh where H2 Ocean is where the houses were. 290 00:26:10,159 --> 00:26:17,120 Okay. You know, and while we're at it, why don't we look at BJ's down here with 291 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:22,559 all the dead trees. It looks terrible when you're I mean, you have a beautiful 292 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:28,720 BJ's there and you know, it's behind all these dead trees with the property uh 293 00:26:25,919 --> 00:26:34,799 the H2O property. He was put on notice uh months ago about the need to do 294 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:38,159 landscaping, but we will put him on notice again for the three properties uh 295 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:40,799 in question. >> And same thing with 80 South Jefferson. 296 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,960 I mean is >> that too? 297 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:47,039 » Yeah, that I mean people were still working there and the grass was high as 298 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,400 high as your knee. So, okay. Thank you very much. 299 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,679 » No, thank you. >> Thank you. Terry, can you hold the 300 00:26:49,919 --> 00:26:56,320 microphone there for a moment? Don't sit down. Please hold the microphone. 301 00:26:54,559 --> 00:27:00,159 » No, you're not. Well, no, you're not. I'd like to have a discussion with you. 302 00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:04,880 Okay. >> And I understand you had an issue with 303 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:09,120 me uh through social network. So I was hoping we would use this opportunity to 304 00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:16,840 talk about it. [clears throat] >> Having trouble getting your ice cream, I 305 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:16,840 heard from uh Planet Swirl 9 years ago. 306 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:25,840 » Oh, isn't that interesting? Well, I you held me accountable for their going 307 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:31,440 under as well as Nikos. So I I kind of missed this to uh why you wouldn't want 308 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:37,279 to have a discussion and uh talk about why you feel unaccountable for that. 309 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:40,840 » Why don't you answer the question as he goes on the shopping? 310 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:48,480 » You are um very active on your social network, 311 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:54,320 » my Facebook page, >> but yet when you get to this room 312 00:27:50,080 --> 00:28:01,200 obviously take takes a different turn. anybody else and other people. 313 00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:04,240 » Hi, I'm Ahmad. My address is 260 Blackbe Parkway. 314 00:28:01,919 --> 00:28:08,880 » Hold on a second. Amad Rod, do you want to close that out? Are you good? 315 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:11,360 » Uh, I' I've got my answer, which is her no answer. Thank you. 316 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:18,880 » Yes, sir. >> Thank you. Um, again, Ahmad 260 B 317 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:24,960 Meadow. Um, I just want to make a this is I don't even know what this is about, 318 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:30,159 but um I don't think that this is the place or the venue to have a discussion 319 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:35,200 about something that occurred on social media between a committee person and a 320 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:39,600 resident that should be a private matter. Um, and embarrassing her like 321 00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:44,320 that. When you use social networks, it's 322 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:48,480 public. It's open. And when you attack individuals through it, they have the 323 00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:53,840 opportunity to respond whether it's this forum or on social networks. And I've 324 00:28:51,520 --> 00:29:00,240 done uh my due diligence to look into the records 9 years ago over some areas 325 00:28:57,679 --> 00:29:06,240 of uh misinterpretation that was given to our public through the social 326 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:10,159 networks. Okay. on a redevelopment of the 327 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:16,240 shopping center known as the time as Pine Plaza and uh which by the way was a 328 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:20,480 demised area went under an area of redevelopment was studied and the shop 329 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:26,559 owners there who we tried very in earnest to keep going and make it viable 330 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:34,159 uh were forced out in many ways. One their leases were increased. Secondly, 331 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:39,760 the uh property itself was in tax ars etc. But when it comes on to social 332 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,919 network, sir, it's fair play. No, absolutely. And what would you like to 333 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:47,120 say to me? >> No, absolutely. So, the things you 334 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:54,480 brought up right now, all 100% um things that the residents uh expect to hear 335 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:59,360 from you folks, right? Um, if she's talking about something on social media, 336 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:04,080 uh, you guys want to argue about it, that argument should happen somewhere 337 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:10,480 else. The information you just provided me, however, to clarify what was said on 338 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:16,320 social media, I that's appropriate, right? But I'm also entitled to my 339 00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:21,200 opinion that having a discussion about what's happening on social media uh, or 340 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:24,720 disagreement, I don't think this is the right forum. I'm not saying that you 341 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,039 shouldn't have that discussion, right? You're your own man. But this is not the 342 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,640 forum. >> We agree to disagree, sir. This is a 343 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,039 public forum. Thank you very much for your comments. You're running for 344 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,520 office, aren't you? >> I am. Yes, sir. 345 00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:36,640 » You are your Democratic candidate for office. 346 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,840 » Yes, sir. >> God bless you. We hope you have a good 347 00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:45,120 race. >> Thank you. I'm excited. Um, so this 348 00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:51,039 wasn't why I stood up. I do have um >> a couple a couple questions. So, just a 349 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:58,880 few minutes ago, we did a consent uh vote on a resolution that put us uh I 350 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:04,559 think $1.5 million um in debt. So, I want to know is this 351 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:10,399 new debt? Is this renewed debt? Uh the bonds that was approved or and what 352 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:16,000 project is it for? Is it for a previous ordinance or a a new ordinance? What is 353 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,399 that exactly about? cuz that's a lot of money. 354 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,760 » Well, it's old debt. >> Okay. 355 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:27,679 » It's old debt for the new splash pad that we uh authorized for installation 356 00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:34,320 at the B Meadow Park at the B Meadow swimming pool and also for renovations 357 00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:40,240 of the historic tunnel house which is located at 341 Route 10 eastbound. So if 358 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:46,720 you go past Roy Hills Road, >> you will see a structure that uh is 300 359 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:54,240 years old from 1796, >> the township received grant money to uh 360 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:58,880 do restoration, but also we have bonds that are needed to do that restoration 361 00:31:57,039 --> 00:32:03,120 and that is going to be taking place within the next several months. 362 00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:09,200 » Okay, great. I appreciate that. Um, regarding the splash pad, how much of 363 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:14,279 the 1.5 is attributed to the splash pad? >> Uh, total amount is $1,120,000. 364 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:23,519 » Okay. Uh, and what's the return on investment of that project? When you say 365 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:26,640 the return on the investment in general like what 366 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:31,840 » in terms of uh what the the return in terms of people 367 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,120 using the facility, >> right? Because it's not it's not a 368 00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:39,519 revenue thing, right? It's like what's the use? Is the time using it? Like is 369 00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:44,559 that being monitored? >> And our deputy mayor probably is best to 370 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:47,519 address it because he's also director of recreation. 371 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:51,600 » Um well, it's an amenity that we added to the pool. So we've been having 372 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:56,399 increase uh 373 00:32:53,279 --> 00:33:01,760 increased membership. This has increased the increased membership. So 374 00:32:58,777 --> 00:33:05,840 [clears throat] I apologize. Um again it was just a uh amenity that we added to 375 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:12,320 the pool which would get paid back through the fees from the pool from the 376 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:18,000 additional fees acrewed. Yeah. >> Okay. Excellent. Um I so what I I guess 377 00:33:15,679 --> 00:33:23,679 we should be able to do then is submit like an OPER request for the increase 378 00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:28,799 that has happened right in fees so that we could see like how long it's going to 379 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:30,399 take to you know to have that return on investment 380 00:33:29,679 --> 00:33:34,880 » right >> you know I just want to know because 381 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:41,039 there's a lot of people in town who have concerns about the bonding practice that 382 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:45,360 we're starting to do annually so that's >> as do I and and what we've run into is 383 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:50,159 you know uh in the past we we called it shoe box savings. So we would save and 384 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:55,840 then spend but what's happened especially in the last 5 6 7 years we 385 00:33:53,120 --> 00:34:00,559 can't save enough because of inflation >> you know because of costs going up. So 386 00:33:57,919 --> 00:34:07,200 we found it's best to take out a loan for 2 or 3% get the project now and then 387 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:11,599 get it done and then pay back. I I again personally and we all know it. I I I 388 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:18,240 don't like debt, but unfortunately a scenario like this, we needed to do it. 389 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:22,960 Um the baby pool was defunct. It was uh to replace it was going to be over a4 390 00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:27,599 million. So we made the decision to invest invest in the infrastructure, 391 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:32,320 invest in the project. Uh it came out fantastic. Drive by it. Um I I can't 392 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:37,280 tell you it's and it's ADA accessible. Uh we did get some some grant money to 393 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:41,839 help with that. Um there were costs um you know there were 394 00:34:39,839 --> 00:34:46,879 some cost overrides, there was some some unforeseen some circumstances that 395 00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:51,599 happened that we had to pay for. Um but uh overall again the project is 396 00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:56,159 fantastic. Membership is up. Um and again it adds to the to the amenity. I 397 00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:59,599 appreciate that. I know I'm over my time so the next time I see you guys I'll 398 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,119 address the >> one last 399 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:07,680 one last segment for the record concerning the tunnel house. 400 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:14,880 We are getting grant money through the county of Mars, $338,000, 401 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:18,480 but we can't use that money until we actually do the renovation. So 402 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:23,839 therefore, we have to go out for the bonds. So that's a short-term money will 403 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:26,400 be paid back. So that's the way it works. 404 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,520 » How did you explain that, Joe? Because that wasn't clear before. Yeah, that 405 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:33,760 that money is coming back to us. We had to lay it out. We needed to to bond to 406 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,400 get it because our budget's tight. Hey, the last point I'd like to make about 407 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:40,480 debt. Yes, ma'am. >> He's um and Mike Mahalo did a great job 408 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:44,480 in my place cuz once a year I miss a meeting because uh of the 200 club in 409 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:48,640 Mars County. I'm a vice president and I love that organization. But what's 410 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:52,800 interesting too is this year we're spending $4 million on infrastructure. 411 00:35:50,640 --> 00:36:00,560 We all know we have to do more and more and we are addressing that. We had a tax 412 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:05,680 sale of a property for $3.2 million. Our debt, our ban in town is going to be 413 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:09,599 $2.4 million this year, which is all for infrastructure, 414 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:15,599 but once we conclude, and we're very close now to closing out that deal and 415 00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:20,640 getting that $3.2, we're $6 to $800,000 in the black. So, I even read that we're 416 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:26,240 going into debt. We've never gone into debt. This is it's really a bridge loan 417 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:30,320 because we have 3.2 from a tax sale. Is that a residential tax sale or a or 418 00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:31,119 commercial? >> Com commercial. 419 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:36,640 » Okay. >> So once you take one layer back and look 420 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:40,320 at like past the headline, it it's a very very good deal and we're almost 421 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,839 lending ourselves that money through a bridge loan to do much needed 422 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:47,359 infrastructure and especially in some areas where we have incredible flooding. 423 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:53,680 » No, I appreciate that. That's actually uh strategic. Um, I I would like to add 424 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:58,400 that we probably um should have like a long-term strategy, not relying on, uh, 425 00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:03,119 you know, the businesses to go out of business or not paying their taxes in 426 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:08,160 order to fund our project. So, anyways, um, I appreciate you guys' time and I'll 427 00:37:05,359 --> 00:37:12,480 see you guys uh, hopefully in a month. Thank you. You know, it should also Mike 428 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:17,680 also be explained that uh on the bond issue for the splash pool uh that's 429 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:23,040 being uh funded through the swimming pool enterprise fund. Correct. So the 430 00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:29,599 same veterans patrons that are members of the Bmetal pool. It's their dues and 431 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:32,720 their their fees on the pool that are underwriting or paying for the bond 432 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:37,119 issue. Correct. Come through. We we we're only guaranteeing the bond is 433 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:43,200 Okay. Thank you. Because >> Yes, sir. Yes, my name is Greg Walch. I 434 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:46,800 live on Whipony. Uh, just a question. A few months ago, I was here and we talked 435 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:53,280 about the Tuttle House, which was just brought up a minute ago, that phase one 436 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:57,920 of that project was in progress, and I'm just curious is if you have an update on 437 00:37:55,599 --> 00:38:02,800 how far phase one has gone. >> So, we had a public hearing on April 9th 438 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:07,280 to solicit comments from the public concerning restoration. 439 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:14,160 If I recall correctly from memory, no one really spoke up. Uh once that was 440 00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:19,440 done, we were also required because we do what is known as a pre-qualification 441 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:24,800 of biders. We had plans and specifications prepared by our 442 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:29,599 consulting engineers working with Jerry Mser, the township engineer. 443 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:35,040 Those plans and specifications were submitted to the state back in the 444 00:38:31,359 --> 00:38:39,359 spring. And as of July, Jerry, we received approval from the state 445 00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:45,680 division of local government services that we can now move forward with those 446 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:50,640 pre-qualification plans. So, Jerry and I have been discussing them. We hope that 447 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:56,800 within the next month or two, we are going to be soliciting uh bids to 448 00:38:53,760 --> 00:39:00,800 actually do the phase one restoration, which will include the exterior of the 449 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:05,599 building. >> Okay. Thank you. You're welcome, sir. 450 00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:09,000 » Thank you, sir. Anyone else? 451 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,720 Mary Beth, you got to be quicker. We don't know who you are. 452 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:19,760 » I can I can let you in if you want, Mary. 453 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:24,240 » Catherine Sparrow, I am a Whipony resident and I am the editor of Tap into 454 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:29,200 Hannover. And I just really wanted to thank you all from the bottom of my 455 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:33,839 heart. Sorry. I really appreciate that you guys have recognized us. I've worked 456 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:38,240 really hard to come into the community. You guys have been amazing and I really 457 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:43,280 appreciate how much information you've allowed me to share with the community 458 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:48,560 because it's an impressive community and the people are very very special. I have 459 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:53,520 to take a leave of absence, but I will be owning Tap into Hanover for the 460 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:57,440 foreseeable future. And I would appreciate that each and every one of 461 00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:02,320 you, as well as those of you in the the room, would be willing to continue to 462 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,760 give me information that I can share with the residents so that they know 463 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:11,040 what you're doing, so that they know what their town is doing, and so that 464 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:16,079 they know what each other is doing cuz I really think that that's what makes a 465 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:18,240 community. Sorry. Very, very emotional for me, but thank you. Thank you so 466 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,560 much. >> Thank you, K. 467 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,400 » Thank you. You've done a terrific job. Thank you. 468 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,200 » Yeah, we're happy to support you any way we can. 469 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,440 » Yeah. K, I just want to say too, uh, we're going to miss you, but you're not 470 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:32,400 going to be too far away cuz you're available on your phone. But I've gone 471 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:38,160 down lately more and more saying there's 168 hours in a week. The world does not 472 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:42,800 stop at 34 1/2 hours. >> I think you're I know that you're 473 00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:45,359 available 110 to 120 hours a week. I personally appreciate that. and our 474 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:50,079 residents appreciate that. So, thank you. God bless you. And you're always 475 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:53,480 part of us. So, thank you. Anyone else? 476 00:40:54,960 --> 00:41:02,800 » Two quick things to um Mary Beth Calli, Whitney, 477 00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:09,520 uh Commissioner Malgo, I did my homework from last meeting regarding the traffic 478 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:14,640 on Troy Hills Road. You told me to kind of tell you when the speeders 479 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:19,200 kind of time frame. >> Okay. 480 00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:25,200 » Remember that kind of. And it's at night. I would say between 7 and 11. 481 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,800 » Okay. >> You park a car there, we'll get them. 482 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,640 » All right. We will. >> And I know who's in the room. My 483 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:35,359 neighbor. >> And I already spoke to him. 484 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:39,839 » So, that that'll help. >> Really? Really? at night when traffic 485 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:46,079 everybody all the right people are home you know from work and the second quick 486 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:54,160 thing to Mayor Gallagher is there any prospects on new businesses going in by 487 00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:57,839 PJs where the two lots I call them are still available 488 00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:02,000 » yes but of course I can't comment on that yes 489 00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:05,520 » oh okay two business okay but it's coming close 490 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:08,560 to being there >> not fast enough for me because you know 491 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:12,000 how I roll. But >> right, 492 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:17,040 » there's two very nice prospects. Yes. >> Okay, good. It just kind of looks dingy 493 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:20,480 when you're sitting there getting gas like on the front. 494 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:25,440 » See, my problem is I want a lot of food establishments and I'm not a kid 495 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:30,720 anymore. My meta metabolism slowed down. So like anything on the between my house 496 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:34,480 and town hall or vice versa is a problem because I'm going to swing in on the way 497 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:38,480 out of here. So, we like food establishments. We have more than we've 498 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:41,280 had in a long time and uh I think that's a beautiful thing and that's kind of 499 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:46,160 what I'm hearing. >> Okay. Okay. There. All right. Yes, sir. 500 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:49,280 » Thank you, Ash. I think our land use administrator would like to say 501 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:54,960 something with your permission. >> As long as she identifies herself, steps 502 00:42:52,319 --> 00:43:00,720 up to the podium, and she has four minutes. Okay. Four. 503 00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:04,000 » No special treatment here. Kim Yeah. Tonight tonight's kind of off the 504 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,319 rails. You can do whatever you want. Fall off. 505 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:10,640 » I'm Kimberly Vonjour. I'm the land use administrator for the township of 506 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:14,640 Hanover. Um in response to your question, I have an application 507 00:43:12,319 --> 00:43:22,319 currently in my office for the three pad sites over at the BJ's. Um it is for a 508 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:31,920 swim school, a um electric vehicle charging 509 00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:38,240 and a it's called Seven Seven Brew. It is a small 510 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:43,200 uh specialty coffee type facility that is drive-thru only. There is no inside 511 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:46,400 seating. You cannot go inside at all. Um that application is currently in my 512 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:51,520 office going through the completeness review process. Um, in order to come to 513 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:55,805 public hearing, >> can you spell your last name, please? 514 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,805 No, I'm just kidding. [laughter] 515 00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:02,000 » We have two more minutes. Kim, >> you know, I think you saw tonight that 516 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:06,160 if you call Kim directly, she can say more than we can say. 517 00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:10,119 » You said it well. >> Okay. Anyone else? 518 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:15,680 10 more seconds. >> You know what, Chris? We're going to 519 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:18,400 give you 30 seconds and it's going to be a hard stop. We don't off the rails 520 00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:20,000 tonight. >> Do I have to reidentify? 521 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:25,440 » No. >> No. I just want to say thank you to uh 522 00:44:23,359 --> 00:44:29,920 to uh Joe Giorgio for integrating the environmental commission into the review 523 00:44:27,359 --> 00:44:33,359 process for the land use boards, the board of adjustment and planning board. 524 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:38,400 I've had two members of board of adjustment thank me outside of official 525 00:44:36,319 --> 00:44:43,040 business for commentary that we've provided to them. They said it's been 526 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:47,119 very informational and helped them make good decisions. Uh and I'm happy to do 527 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:52,480 the work. And thank you for to John for helping integrate us into that and uh 528 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:54,240 providing extra info as we make these uh recommendation letters. That's all. 529 00:44:53,760 --> 00:45:00,720 Thank you. >> Thank you for taking Thank you, Chris. 530 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:03,359 » Okay. Anyone else? Hearing none. Seeing none. Motion to 531 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,680 close. >> Second. All in favor? 532 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:10,960 » I. >> Okay. Tonight we're going to forego our 533 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:16,800 comments, but I'd like to ask Committee Cahill to uh address the crowd tonight 534 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:20,160 about a very very important issue that we've been getting a lot of inquiries 535 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:26,400 about. Let anybody else comment tonight. 536 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:29,040 Thank you. Just the same. Um so I just wanted to provide an update. And I know 537 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:34,480 there have been a lot of questions and you know probably 4 months ago we hired 538 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:38,240 a consultant JAG consulting to have a look at uh the two fire districts and 539 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:42,560 see what we could do about either consolidating them municipalizing 540 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:46,079 everything was on the table. Um so I just want to provide a brief update of 541 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:52,560 where we're at with that. Uh a few days ago uh Mayor Gallagher and I uh received 542 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:56,720 a rough draft report uh from the consultant. Uh it's in our hands now to 543 00:45:55,119 --> 00:46:02,640 review and read and I've been reading it and rereading it and I know Ace has as 544 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:05,280 well. Um our goal now is once we've read it, you know, we have a lot of 545 00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:08,079 questions. We don't see very many inconsistencies necessarily, but there 546 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:12,400 are some things that perhaps we don't understand because we are not lifetime 547 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:16,560 first responders such as the consultant is. Um so we're reading through that. 548 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:20,000 We're highlighting, writing down our questions, and we're going to circle 549 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:24,079 back with the consultant, get those questions answered so that we understand 550 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:29,040 it well enough that we can speak to this report intelligently. At that point in 551 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:32,560 time, as soon as that happens, my goal, our goal will be to meet with the town, 552 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:36,240 the rest of the township committee. Uh, it will have to be in legal. I'm just 553 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:39,920 want to put that out front because there is, you know, there are unions to deal 554 00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:44,640 with their contracts. So, just to be fair and put that up front, it will be 555 00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:48,640 illegal. uh but we will be presenting uh the findings and discussing those 556 00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:53,280 findings and seeing where we land as far as what we think is this a good approach 557 00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:59,119 what is that approach again uh you know a lot of open ends there once we get 558 00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:03,839 through that uh then as a next step will be to either do one of two things uh we 559 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:06,640 had talked about putting a subcommittee together we always worked in 560 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:11,440 subcommittees when we were trying to work on the consolidation plan over the 561 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:13,920 couple the past couple of years uh taking a couple of commissioners from 562 00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:18,880 Cedar Nolles, a couple commissioners from Whippony, uh um some either the 563 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:22,880 chief or or some some administrator, somebody who's familiar with operations 564 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:29,280 and presented it to them. Or the other suggestion was uh that the next or call 565 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:35,040 for a special uh joint commissioners meeting so that all the commissioners 566 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:39,760 are in the room um and have that presentation then. And then based on 567 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:43,520 that feedback, that's where we go and we bring that back to the committee and say 568 00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:47,280 this was the feedback and then that's where we go from there. Like I said, 569 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:51,040 anything can happen. Uh but I just want to make sure that everybody knows things 570 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:56,079 that everybody knows that things are moving forward. Um so again, it's very 571 00:47:53,760 --> 00:48:00,480 high level. I know this crowd, I know you want a lot more detail. I appreciate 572 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:05,680 your patience. uh but yes but you know we are moving forward and uh and I will 573 00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:10,440 try to update you as information becomes available that we can provide to you 574 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:28,000 » yeah it would be uh advisory consulted deliberative at this point once uh 575 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:34,920 action is taken or ready to be taken then it would be able to do same thing 576 00:48:30,319 --> 00:48:34,920 as any kind of draft uh document. 577 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:40,319 » Any other comment I have, Bryce? First of all, thank you very much for all your 578 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:45,440 time. Um, everybody's put a lot of time into this. Uh, everybody's getting a 579 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:49,760 little bit impatient, but what's interesting is these conversations 580 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:54,160 started 20 years ago. Uh, 12 years ago, they got a little bit hot and we've been 581 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:57,359 really looking at this for about 9 or 10 months and putting a lot of time into 582 00:48:55,599 --> 00:49:01,119 it. But I think you're doing a great job and a lot of people are stepping up. And 583 00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:05,040 the last thing I'll tell you to give you a little bit of optimism is no matter 584 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:10,240 where anybody falls in this conversation or in this argument, everybody seems to 585 00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:16,559 agree it can't really continue the way it is. So that that means that our job 586 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:20,800 is to find the solution working with the people that have the most expertise and 587 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,040 that's exactly what we're doing. Bri, you at the helm, you're doing an 588 00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:26,960 incredible job and I personally appreciate it. I really do. Mike, if you 589 00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:32,640 want to say something. Well, you know, we got to talk about Hard Township Day. 590 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:36,079 So, coming up for this uh September 12th, Hard Township Day, and we're going 591 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:41,040 to have a little bit extra this year. We're going to have u the Landmark I 592 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:45,040 apologize. The Landmark Commission is going to have a tent up. They'll have uh 593 00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:47,920 speakers. They'll have some uh uh some displays. So, we're going to add a 594 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:52,800 little bit. Uh for those of you that don't know, Hannover Township Day is a 595 00:49:50,319 --> 00:49:57,599 chance for Hannover Township clubs, committees, groups to have a have a 596 00:49:54,960 --> 00:50:01,760 place. It's a it's a uh a money-free day. It doesn't cost anybody anything. 597 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,240 Uh there'll be games, there'll be rides, there'll be bounce houses, there'll be 598 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:12,000 hot dogs, there'll be corn, there'll be uh root beer. No beer, just root beer. 599 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:15,119 Um but it's a fun day. Again, that's uh September 12th. Mark your calendars, 600 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:19,040 boys. So, >> good job, young lady. 601 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:24,000 taking more time to mic. >> Yes, I'll receive my time to Mike. So, 602 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:27,200 we can continue. >> No, that's it. What do you got? Close 603 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:32,960 this out. I would like to give a big thank you to our public works department 604 00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:39,040 uh to Brian Fan and the staff uh through this most recent storm uh which uh put 605 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:44,319 Hanover County in a very difficult way power-wise, knocked down trees, did a 606 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:47,839 lot of construction damage. uh public works department did a super job of 607 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:51,599 getting us back on the line, cleaning up, getting debris out to the street. If 608 00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:57,520 you got it out to the street, we picked it up. So, good job. Very good job. 609 00:50:54,720 --> 00:51:01,920 Thank you. Beautiful. Okay, guys. Motion to Yes, Michael. Sorry. I do it one 610 00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:07,280 more. Just a heads up. Now that the parks uh central park is complete, the 611 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:10,319 lights will be on for uh open use over at Central Park, the rink till 10:00. 612 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,920 We're going to leave lights on for the summertime until we start having some 613 00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:17,599 planned events there. Uh, but so if you see the lights on, they're on on 614 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:23,760 purpose. Go use the go use the rake. Go use the rake. And also the lights at 615 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:26,880 Blackbrook are finally working. So that only took 616 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:30,000 » too many years. So, but those are up and running now, too. So, 617 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:37,880 » beautiful. Good job. Now, I'm done. Okay, good. Motion to close. So, move. 618 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,880 Second. Second. All in favor? I 619 00:51:42,770 --> 00:51:44,790 » [music] 620 00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:48,680 » Heat. Heat.