[0:08] Adequate notice of the August 13th, 2026
regular meeting of the township
[0:13] committee has been provided in
accordance with the open public meetings
[0:16] act by posting written notice and agenda
of the meeting on the bulletin board in
[0:20] the municipal building 100 township and
by posting same on the official township
[0:26] website and by delivering such notice to
the following newspaper.
[0:30] Morris County Daily Record hand of a
floor and pork eagle tap into hand of
[0:35] attention and by following the same with
the township clerk.
[0:39] » Roll call. Committeeman Cahill
>> here.
[0:41] » Committee mana here.
>> Committeeman Francioli
[0:44] » here.
>> Deputy Mayor Mahalo
[0:46] » here.
>> Mayor Gallagher
[0:48] » here.
>> Five members in attendance.
[0:50] » Okay. If you would please join us in the
pledge of allegiance and please remain
[0:53] standing for a prayer led by Deputy
Mayor Michael Mahalo. I aliance to the
[0:59] flag
of America to the republic for which it
[1:03] stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice
[1:09] for all. [cough]
Excuse,
[1:13] sorry. Almighty God, please watch over
and guide this governing body with an
[1:19] abundance of wisdom and understanding to
help make the best decisions for our
[1:22] residents. Please bless our first
responders and tatch of volunteers who
[1:26] help keep us all safe. Also, bless our
township of employee and residents.
[1:31] Lastly, please let us pray for the men
and women of the US armed forces who
[1:35] stand vigil over us always. Amen. Amen.
[1:44] » Joseph.
So ladies and gentlemen, we have a
[1:48] special presentation
this evening to someone who is very
[1:53] active in our community.
And it goes without saying this person
[1:59] is definitely
uh someone who should get some kind of
[2:05] recognition from the township of Hanover
and from fire district number three. So,
[2:11] James Hark, Senior, this is your night
and we'd like to present you with a
[2:16] plaque in gratitude in recognition of
all your service to Hanover Township.
[2:22] And with uh your approval, Mayor,
members of Township Committee, like to
[2:27] read the plaque into the record.
Hanover Township Distinguished Community
[2:32] Service Award
presented to James Hart, Senior, in
[2:38] recognition of his outstanding community
pride and active participation and
[2:44] service in many civic and township
activities and programs. The township
[2:50] committee and the commissioners of
Howard Township Fire District number
[2:55] three salute you for your exemplary
leadership, commitment, and dedication.
[3:04] So this is for you, JANE. [applause]
[3:10] [applause]
[3:25] YEAH.
[3:28] AUSTRALIA.
[3:44] HEAT.
[3:49] HEAT.
[3:54] [music]
[3:59] [music]
[4:01] HEAT. HEAT.
[4:10] [music]
[4:12] YEAH.
[4:16] HEAT.
[4:26] YEAH.
[4:30] HEAT.
[4:40] YEAH.
HEAT.
[5:03] Miss you.
[5:13] Yeah. Heat.
[5:24] Heat.
[5:29] Heat.
[5:48] Ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to
leave after seeing that big recognition
[5:52] of James Hark, Senior, we won't be
offended. We do have some business to
[5:56] take care of, but you're more than
welcome to stay. But James Hark Senior
[5:59] and your entire family, Mrs. Hark, thank
you for everything and God bless you
[6:03] guys. We appreciate you once again.
Thank you. [applause]
[6:11] Chris.
[6:14] » Okay. Good evening everyone. First on
the agenda is a letter of resignation. A
[6:19] letter of retire I'm sorry, a letter of
retirement from Diane Herzick as the
[6:22] health department secretary Oprah
coordinator effective October 30th,
[6:27] 2026. May please have a motion to accept
Diane's letter of resign of retirement.
[6:34] So move.
>> May I have a second? Second.
[6:37] » All in favor?
>> I.
[6:39] » So accepted. Next on the agenda is the
approval of the township committee
[6:43] meeting minutes of July 9th. May I have
a motion to approve the meeting minutes?
[6:47] » So move.
>> We have a second.
[6:50] » All in favor?
>> So approve.
[6:54] Next is the introduction of ordinances.
I like to read each title into the
[6:58] record. The first is ordinance 29-2026.
in ordinance of the township committee
[7:03] of the township of handover authorizing
the execution of a lease agreement with
[7:08] the handover Tigers youth football and
cheerleading and operating the B metal
[7:12] park brickyard concession facility
retroactive to August 1st 2026
[7:18] through November 30th 2026 during the
football season.
[7:22] Next is ordinance 30-2026 is an
ordinance of the township committee of
[7:26] the township of handover establishing
the salaries of patrolman, detectives,
[7:31] sergeants, and police officers assigned
to the detective bureau for calendar
[7:36] years 2026, 2027, 2028, and 2029.
The next is ordinance 30-2026,
[7:44] an ordinance of the township of
handover, county of Morris, state of New
[7:48] Jersey, reaffirming the continuation of
chapter 120, article 3, cannabis of the
[7:53] code of the township of handover.
I'd also like to make a mention that
[7:58] another additional ordinance will be
introduced tonight. During the legal
[8:02] session, the township committee decided
to introduce ordinance 32-2026.
[8:07] I will also read that into the title
into the record.
[8:12] Ordinance number 23-2026,
an ordinance of the township of Hanover
[8:17] Morris County, New Jersey, amending
article 21, conditional uses in order to
[8:22] amend the conditional use requirements
for motor motor vehicle repair or
[8:27] maintenance establishments in the IB3
zone district. I'd like to state for the
[8:32] record that the ordinances and their
respective notices of introduction will
[8:36] be published in full in the township's
website under legal notices according to
[8:40] law. The public hearing is scheduled for
September 10th, 2026 at 8:00 p.m. If any
[8:47] member of the public would like to be
heard regarding these ordinances, they
[8:50] will be given the opportunity to do so
that evening. May I please have a motion
[8:55] to introduce ordinances 29, 30, 31, and
32? So moved. May I have a second?
[9:02] » Second.
>> On roll call. Commun May Hill.
[9:04] » Hi.
>> Committeeman Baramosa.
[9:06] » Hi.
>> Committeeman Francioli.
[9:08] » Hi.
>> Deputy Mayor Malco.
[9:09] » Yes.
>> Mayor Gallagher. Hi.
[9:11] » So introduced, including the new
addition.
[9:15] » Next of the order of business is the
approval of resolutions as a consent
[9:18] agenda. Resolution numbers 161-2026
through 189-2026.
[9:26] Does any member of the committee have
any questions regarding any of these
[9:29] resolutions?
[9:33] » May I please have a motion to approve
the resolutions as a consent agenda?
[9:37] » Motion second.
>> All in favor?
[9:40] » I resolutions are so approved. Next, we
have to pay our bills in the amount of
[9:45] $8,648,72462.
[9:51] May I please have a motion to pay the
bills? A motion for the CFO to pay the
[9:56] bill.
>> Thank you, John. May I have a second?
[9:58] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[10:00] » I
>> bills are to be paid and members, mayor,
[10:05] and the members of the committee. That
clears my portion of the agenda and I
[10:08] thank you very much.
>> Thank you very much, Christian. Great
[10:11] job.
>> Okay. Can I have a motion open to the
[10:14] public?
>> Second. All in favor? All in favor?
[10:18] Anyone from the go uh from the public
would like to address the governing
[10:21] body, please step up to the podium,
state your name, address, and you have
[10:25] four minutes.
[10:39] Hello, Chris Sunset
tonight representing the environmental
[10:44] commission. I'd like to follow up
[11:03] this thing on.
Thank you, Kim.
[11:08] There we go.
[11:16] Sorry, my f
[11:20] sunset. I'm here today environmental
commission following
[11:32] data centers for project
[11:39] together
is a thorough
[11:46] business
[11:51] because we consider it for any major
company.
[11:58] So I just want to follow up on that and
see if uh any other information or any
[12:04] other things I can help the process.
[12:09] Chris, I will say that we did discuss
this issue and we did discuss that we
[12:16] were going to have to do our due
diligence and start to explore options
[12:19] and especially limits. Uh, I appreciate
your offer to help us. I know you put
[12:23] quite a bit of time into it when we go a
little further down the road. And
[12:26] Jeeoff, if you want to jump in, when we
go a little further down the road, we
[12:30] would appreciate your input and any
insight you have into how we can make a
[12:34] better decision moving forward. Jeeoff,
you want to add to that? Yeah, the only
[12:37] thing I'll say is that obviously this is
a really hot uh button issue all across
[12:41] the state and uh the mayor said the
words due diligence. I think that's
[12:45] couldn't be uh any better said and so uh
that process is being done. Um you know
[12:50] when and if it becomes anything more
then u certainly you know we'll we'll
[12:56] contact everybody we need to.
>> Thank you chair. just reflect my own
[13:02] sense of urgency. I ask it [music] was
effect
[13:23] I appreciate that. The only thing I'll
say and and Jeff you can stop me is um
[13:27] two two different properties we were
contacted and they wanted to talk to us
[13:32] about our vision and our vision for
Hannover and they asked us what our
[13:37] position was on data centers and uh I
let them know straight up that it's
[13:42] going to be a very heavy lift. I said a
lot of us don't understand right now all
[13:46] that we should to make a very good
decision for our municipalities. I said
[13:52] we're taking small steps and working to
understand it, but at least we had two
[13:57] companies understand and respect the
fact that we're not prepared to do
[14:01] anything right now and we understand
limits is very very important.
[14:06] But um like I said, we are beginning our
due diligence and we've had two
[14:10] developers that were very respectful of
our position.
[14:17] Not
as
[14:21] with the law%
[14:27] commercial
just as
[14:32] a tenant or a property developer.
>> Jeff, do you have that information or
[14:38] Jerry?
>> Not at the top of my head. I imagine
[14:41] that it's the developer.
[14:45] Oh, apologies. Uh, I don't know for
certain off the top of my head, so I'm,
[14:49] you know, wary of saying anything
definitively, but my assumption is is
[14:53] that it's the developer and I can look
into that further.
[14:56] » Okay.
[15:07] change
another
[15:21] » I'm thinking um you know I I always
don't want to go into too many specifics
[15:27] on anything if it's if um but uh there
are a lot of things that can be
[15:32] negotiated um I I'm not sure that this
is one of them. Uh, and so I I don't
[15:37] really know how to answer your question
at this point in time, but uh, I'm I'm
[15:41] not certain.
My actual question is
[15:48] 217%
[16:18] I don't understand.
[16:24] » Uh, I don't have that document in front
of me and I haven't looked at it and I
[16:28] don't know if I've ever looked at it,
but I can and will do and I can uh get
[16:32] we can get back to you on that.
>> Chris, can you get that to Joe? And Joe,
[16:36] if you could deal with Jeff, that'd be
great.
[16:41] » That'd be great.
>> Thank you. Anyone else?
[16:59] My question is
possibly
[17:09] Heat. Heat.
[17:28] Uh
the same
[17:33] s
sorry
[17:40] the last time we discussed it you said
that you know we were getting
[17:43] supplemented with water from Payic. Am I
correct or incorrect?
[17:47] » Yes sir. No sir,
[17:52] I'm asking a question. Did you Did you
say to me that we were now also getting
[17:58] supplemented from bayic for water?
>> Yeah, blended.
[18:03] » Blended. Blended. Okay. So, um is that
because our water table's been depleted
[18:10] or is it for some other reason?
>> Not to my knowledge.
[18:14] » Okay. So my assumption is is that our
water
[18:20] is coming from our own water table. Am I
correct or incorrect?
[18:24] » My understanding, and I haven't been
brought up to date on it yet, but I know
[18:27] the mayor's working with the water
company,
[18:31] is that uh through American Waterworks,
we're now using our wells with Todd
[18:37] Well, etc., and blending in conjunction
with safe river water. Uh I think that
[18:42] agreement was undertaken some years ago
to asssure that Hanover and other
[18:48] communities that were in American
Waterworks always had water. So we have
[18:52] not been uh affected by droughts and
other types of uh issues.
[18:57] » Right. So I'm I'm assuming that
>> no supply issues,
[19:00] » right? So I'm assuming that our water
comes from our our water table. Yeah.
[19:04] [clears throat]
So uh my question is is that before and
[19:10] whilst you know the township has to
progress and everything like that
[19:15] when you're doing any studies for any
new construction or anything like that
[19:18] does the township do any hydraological
studies or groundwater
[19:22] uh impact assessments
before
[19:27] you decide to do the planning?
[19:32] Mayor, I don't have I don't have any
knowledge on any studies you've
[19:35] undertaken on the groundwater stuff.
Jerry,
[19:42] » I don't have any knowledge of that
either except that I can say that any
[19:45] new development that comes before the
planning board. Um, they are required to
[19:49] have the approval of the Southeast
Morris County Water Authority to make
[19:54] sure that they can properly service that
development.
[19:57] » Yeah, but that's not what I'm asking.
I'm not asking whether the water company
[20:02] can send a pipe to wherever they're
developing. That's all I'm asking.
[20:07] What I'm asking is is that the water
comes from our wells. Our wells are fed
[20:14] by aquifiers.
Okay.
[20:18] When you do the development or you put
in a parking lot or do whatever. Okay.
[20:24] Is there a groundwater assessment or
some kind of impact study done that
[20:31] would affect the wells that would cause
our wells to fall dry and then we have
[20:37] to go get our water from somewhere else?
Again, I think that question is best
[20:41] answered by the water authority as they
manage their wells because part of that
[20:46] um that approval from the water
authority is not just whether they have
[20:49] pipes in the [music] in in front of the
street to connect to. It's whether they
[20:53] have enough water to serve that
facility. Okay. So, you're telling me
[20:56] basically that the I'm sorry,
I apologize if I thought. Okay. So,
[21:04] you're basically telling me that the
this doesn't fall under the township's
[21:09] remitt.
[21:14] Maybe this answer is best answered by a
planner, but when the the town uh does a
[21:19] master plan analysis, I'm sure they
reach out, they also reach out to the
[21:23] water authority to provide comments
about how they plan [clears throat] for
[21:28] future development.
Again, that would be maybe an answer
[21:33] best answered a question best answered
um by the township planner
[21:39] as as part of that master plan approval
process.
[21:42] » Okay. And who's who's out of planning?
[21:49] » I think right now we had a consulting
planner used to have anywhere else that
[21:53] help monitors the quality of the water
uh for sure purity etc. That's one
[22:00] thing. But some time ago, most of our
draws from what's known as the Bird
[22:04] Valley Water Aquifer. Bird Valley Water
Aquifer not only is underneath Hanover
[22:10] Township, it goes as far as the oranges.
And we've been drawing down on that when
[22:14] we were using all our wells. There came
a point where the state came in, the D
[22:19] came in and then limited how much water
we could draw from the wells. I think
[22:24] that was part of the reason we went to
American Waterworks at that time. Okay.
[22:28] But as for any additional studies that
have taken place since I defer to uh I
[22:34] don't know of any on our board of health
that have come my way but I I don't
[22:38] think we undertake such such studies.
>> I I don't think it's a border of health
[22:43] health issue because border health will
be dealing with security issue.
[22:48] » Okay. Yeah.
>> Yeah. But border of health wouldn't deal
[22:51] with the supply issue
because this information usually comes
[22:55] from USGS. I know that because I have
the USGS software. Anyway, I was just
[23:00] » What I'd like to ask you to do, John, as
you know, now more than ever, we're
[23:04] interacting with the water authority.
>> Yeah.
[23:06] » Um, please send me, email me a paragraph
or two.
[23:11] » Uh, I will share it with the appropriate
professionals and I will get you an
[23:15] answer, a specific answer on this
question.
[23:18] » Okay. I I would appreciate if you give
me an email. Couple as long as you want
[23:22] a couple paragraphs would be great. I'll
share with our professionals and I will
[23:26] share and our planner now is Burgess. We
have a couple different planners that
[23:30] sit in that big chair and we will loop
them in and we'll get very specific
[23:34] answers for you. Well, the only reason
and I'm sorry, the only reason why I'm
[23:38] asking the question is because uh Mr.
Fioli, you know, brought this subject up
[23:44] that we were getting the water from the
Pay River now also and the water was
[23:48] hard and that blah blah blah. So, I'm
just wondering that's all. Thank you
[23:54] very much. Thanks.
Anyone else?
[24:11] » Good evening. Terry Baird from the Whip
section of Hanover Township. Um I have a
[24:16] question in reference to uh agreements
with developers in reference to property
[24:23] maintenance.
For example, when a developer uh
[24:28] abandons a building and they just uh
they don't hire their landscaper anymore
[24:35] to uh keep the sidewalks clean and stuff
like that. Um some of the locations of
[24:41] local developers who have left their
buildings you know, have the grasses
[24:46] knee high along the sidewalk and, you
know, people are walking along those
[24:51] sidewalks and, you know, ticks like to
be in those high grasses. So, it does
[24:56] help with the tick population. Um, so I
was wondering if there's is there any
[25:01] agreement with these developers that
they don't have to maintain their
[25:05] landscaping anymore when they uh abandon
a building.
[25:10] Joe, we just talked about one or two
specific properties lately. Uh, do you
[25:15] want to jump in on this and give us a
broad brush?
[25:17] » Terry, there's there's really nothing in
the code that would prohibit them from
[25:24] taking care of their property. I mean,
if they're the owner of the property, as
[25:29] far as I'm concerned, they have to abide
by the property maintenance code. And if
[25:35] they abandon the property or they sell
the property, then whomever takes
[25:42] control of the property, I think under
our regulations is required to maintain
[25:48] the property. So if there is um an
entity that you're aware of that is not
[25:55] maintaining a parcel, then I'd like to
know who it is and then I will take that
[26:00] up with the construction official.
>> Okay. Well, it's 4G own property at 80
[26:04] South Jefferson. It's 4G own property uh
where H2 Ocean is where the houses were.
[26:10] Okay. You know, and while we're at it,
why don't we look at BJ's down here with
[26:14] all the dead trees. It looks terrible
when you're I mean, you have a beautiful
[26:18] BJ's there and you know, it's behind all
these dead trees with the property uh
[26:25] the H2O property. He was put on notice
uh months ago about the need to do
[26:32] landscaping, but we will put him on
notice again for the three properties uh
[26:37] in question.
>> And same thing with 80 South Jefferson.
[26:39] I mean is
>> that too?
[26:41] » Yeah, that I mean people were still
working there and the grass was high as
[26:45] high as your knee. So, okay. Thank you
very much.
[26:47] » No, thank you.
>> Thank you. Terry, can you hold the
[26:49] microphone there for a moment? Don't sit
down. Please hold the microphone.
[26:54] » No, you're not. Well, no, you're not.
I'd like to have a discussion with you.
[26:58] Okay.
>> And I understand you had an issue with
[27:02] me uh through social network. So I was
hoping we would use this opportunity to
[27:06] talk about it. [clears throat]
>> Having trouble getting your ice cream, I
[27:10] heard from uh Planet Swirl 9 years ago.
[27:16] » Oh, isn't that interesting? Well, I you
held me accountable for their going
[27:21] under as well as Nikos. So I I kind of
missed this to uh why you wouldn't want
[27:28] to have a discussion and uh talk about
why you feel unaccountable for that.
[27:34] » Why don't you answer the question as he
goes on the shopping?
[27:41] » You are um
very active on your social network,
[27:47] » my Facebook page,
>> but yet when you get to this room
[27:50] obviously take takes a different turn.
anybody else and other people.
[27:57] » Hi, I'm Ahmad. My address is 260 Blackbe
Parkway.
[28:01] » Hold on a second. Amad Rod, do you want
to close that out? Are you good?
[28:06] » Uh, I' I've got my answer, which is her
no answer. Thank you.
[28:10] » Yes, sir.
>> Thank you. Um, again, Ahmad 260 B
[28:15] Meadow. Um, I just want to make a this
is I don't even know what this is about,
[28:21] but um I don't think that this is the
place or the venue to have a discussion
[28:27] about something that occurred on social
media between a committee person and a
[28:32] resident that should be a private
matter. Um, and embarrassing her like
[28:37] that.
When you use social networks, it's
[28:41] public. It's open. And when you attack
individuals through it, they have the
[28:46] opportunity to respond whether it's this
forum or on social networks. And I've
[28:51] done uh my due diligence to look into
the records 9 years ago over some areas
[28:57] of uh misinterpretation that was given
to our public through the social
[29:02] networks. Okay. on a redevelopment of
the
[29:07] shopping center known as the time as
Pine Plaza and uh which by the way was a
[29:13] demised area went under an area of
redevelopment was studied and the shop
[29:18] owners there who we tried very in
earnest to keep going and make it viable
[29:23] uh were forced out in many ways. One
their leases were increased. Secondly,
[29:29] the uh property itself was in tax ars
etc. But when it comes on to social
[29:36] network, sir, it's fair play. No,
absolutely. And what would you like to
[29:41] say to me?
>> No, absolutely. So, the things you
[29:43] brought up right now, all 100% um things
that the residents uh expect to hear
[29:50] from you folks, right? Um, if she's
talking about something on social media,
[29:57] uh, you guys want to argue about it,
that argument should happen somewhere
[30:01] else. The information you just provided
me, however, to clarify what was said on
[30:07] social media, I that's appropriate,
right? But I'm also entitled to my
[30:12] opinion that having a discussion about
what's happening on social media uh, or
[30:19] disagreement, I don't think this is the
right forum. I'm not saying that you
[30:22] shouldn't have that discussion, right?
You're your own man. But this is not the
[30:26] forum.
>> We agree to disagree, sir. This is a
[30:28] public forum. Thank you very much for
your comments. You're running for
[30:32] office, aren't you?
>> I am. Yes, sir.
[30:33] » You are your Democratic candidate for
office.
[30:35] » Yes, sir.
>> God bless you. We hope you have a good
[30:39] race.
>> Thank you. I'm excited. Um, so this
[30:42] wasn't why I stood up. I do have um
>> a couple a couple questions. So, just a
[30:48] few minutes ago, we did a consent uh
vote on a resolution that put us uh I
[30:56] think $1.5 million
um in debt. So, I want to know is this
[31:01] new debt? Is this renewed debt? Uh the
bonds that was approved or and what
[31:07] project is it for? Is it for a previous
ordinance or a a new ordinance? What is
[31:13] that exactly about? cuz that's a lot of
money.
[31:17] » Well, it's old debt.
>> Okay.
[31:18] » It's old debt for the new splash pad
that we uh authorized for installation
[31:24] at the B Meadow Park at the B Meadow
swimming pool and also for renovations
[31:31] of the historic tunnel house which is
located at 341 Route 10 eastbound. So if
[31:37] you go past Roy Hills Road,
>> you will see a structure that uh is 300
[31:43] years old from 1796,
>> the township received grant money to uh
[31:50] do restoration, but also we have bonds
that are needed to do that restoration
[31:57] and that is going to be taking place
within the next several months.
[32:00] » Okay, great. I appreciate that. Um,
regarding the splash pad, how much of
[32:05] the 1.5 is attributed to the splash pad?
>> Uh, total amount is $1,120,000.
[32:14] » Okay. Uh, and what's the return on
investment of that project? When you say
[32:20] the return on the investment in general
like what
[32:24] » in terms of uh
what the the return in terms of people
[32:30] using the facility,
>> right? Because it's not it's not a
[32:33] revenue thing, right? It's like what's
the use? Is the time using it? Like is
[32:38] that being monitored?
>> And our deputy mayor probably is best to
[32:41] address it because he's also director of
recreation.
[32:45] » Um well, it's an amenity that we added
to the pool. So we've been having
[32:50] increase
uh
[32:53] increased membership. This has increased
the increased membership. So
[32:58] [clears throat] I apologize. Um again it
was just a uh amenity that we added to
[33:04] the pool which would get paid back
through the fees from the pool from the
[33:10] additional fees acrewed. Yeah.
>> Okay. Excellent. Um I so what I I guess
[33:15] we should be able to do then is submit
like an OPER request for the increase
[33:20] that has happened right in fees so that
we could see like how long it's going to
[33:25] take to you know to have that return on
investment
[33:29] » right
>> you know I just want to know because
[33:31] there's a lot of people in town who have
concerns about the bonding practice that
[33:39] we're starting to do annually so that's
>> as do I and and what we've run into is
[33:43] you know uh in the past we we called it
shoe box savings. So we would save and
[33:48] then spend but what's happened
especially in the last 5 6 7 years we
[33:53] can't save enough because of inflation
>> you know because of costs going up. So
[33:57] we found it's best to take out a loan
for 2 or 3% get the project now and then
[34:04] get it done and then pay back. I I again
personally and we all know it. I I I
[34:09] don't like debt, but unfortunately a
scenario like this, we needed to do it.
[34:14] Um the baby pool was defunct. It was uh
to replace it was going to be over a4
[34:20] million. So we made the decision to
invest invest in the infrastructure,
[34:25] invest in the project. Uh it came out
fantastic. Drive by it. Um I I can't
[34:30] tell you it's and it's ADA accessible.
Uh we did get some some grant money to
[34:34] help with that. Um
there were costs um you know there were
[34:39] some cost overrides, there was some some
unforeseen some circumstances that
[34:43] happened that we had to pay for. Um but
uh overall again the project is
[34:48] fantastic. Membership is up. Um and
again it adds to the to the amenity. I
[34:54] appreciate that. I know I'm over my time
so the next time I see you guys I'll
[34:58] address the
>> one last
[35:01] one last segment for the record
concerning the tunnel house.
[35:05] We are getting grant money through the
county of Mars, $338,000,
[35:11] but we can't use that money until we
actually do the renovation. So
[35:17] therefore, we have to go out for the
bonds. So that's a short-term money will
[35:21] be paid back. So that's the way it
works.
[35:25] » How did you explain that, Joe? Because
that wasn't clear before. Yeah, that
[35:28] that money is coming back to us. We had
to lay it out. We needed to to bond to
[35:31] get it because our budget's tight. Hey,
the last point I'd like to make about
[35:35] debt. Yes, ma'am.
>> He's um and Mike Mahalo did a great job
[35:38] in my place cuz once a year I miss a
meeting because uh of the 200 club in
[35:42] Mars County. I'm a vice president and I
love that organization. But what's
[35:46] interesting too is this year we're
spending $4 million on infrastructure.
[35:50] We all know we have to do more and more
and we are addressing that. We had a tax
[35:56] sale of a property for $3.2 million. Our
debt, our ban in town is going to be
[36:03] $2.4 million this year, which is all for
infrastructure,
[36:07] but once we conclude, and we're very
close now to closing out that deal and
[36:12] getting that $3.2, we're $6 to $800,000
in the black. So, I even read that we're
[36:19] going into debt. We've never gone into
debt. This is it's really a bridge loan
[36:23] because we have 3.2 from a tax sale. Is
that a residential tax sale or a or
[36:29] commercial?
>> Com commercial.
[36:30] » Okay.
>> So once you take one layer back and look
[36:33] at like past the headline, it it's a
very very good deal and we're almost
[36:38] lending ourselves that money through a
bridge loan to do much needed
[36:42] infrastructure and especially in some
areas where we have incredible flooding.
[36:45] » No, I appreciate that. That's actually
uh strategic. Um, I I would like to add
[36:50] that we probably um should have like a
long-term strategy, not relying on, uh,
[36:56] you know, the businesses to go out of
business or not paying their taxes in
[37:00] order to fund our project. So, anyways,
um, I appreciate you guys' time and I'll
[37:05] see you guys uh, hopefully in a month.
Thank you. You know, it should also Mike
[37:10] also be explained that uh on the bond
issue for the splash pool uh that's
[37:14] being uh funded through the swimming
pool enterprise fund. Correct. So the
[37:20] same veterans patrons that are members
of the Bmetal pool. It's their dues and
[37:26] their their fees on the pool that are
underwriting or paying for the bond
[37:31] issue. Correct. Come through. We we
we're only guaranteeing the bond is
[37:35] Okay. Thank you. Because
>> Yes, sir. Yes, my name is Greg Walch. I
[37:39] live on Whipony. Uh, just a question. A
few months ago, I was here and we talked
[37:45] about the Tuttle House, which was just
brought up a minute ago, that phase one
[37:49] of that project was in progress, and I'm
just curious is if you have an update on
[37:55] how far phase one has gone.
>> So, we had a public hearing on April 9th
[38:00] to solicit comments from the public
concerning restoration.
[38:04] If I recall correctly from memory, no
one really spoke up. Uh once that was
[38:10] done, we were also required because we
do what is known as a pre-qualification
[38:16] of biders. We had plans and
specifications prepared by our
[38:22] consulting engineers working with Jerry
Mser, the township engineer.
[38:27] Those plans and specifications were
submitted to the state back in the
[38:31] spring. And as of July, Jerry, we
received approval from the state
[38:37] division of local government services
that we can now move forward with those
[38:42] pre-qualification plans. So, Jerry and I
have been discussing them. We hope that
[38:48] within the next month or two, we are
going to be soliciting uh bids to
[38:53] actually do the phase one restoration,
which will include the exterior of the
[38:58] building.
>> Okay. Thank you. You're welcome, sir.
[39:03] » Thank you, sir.
Anyone else?
[39:10] Mary Beth, you got to be quicker. We
don't know who you are.
[39:13] » I can I can let you in if you want,
Mary.
[39:16] » Catherine Sparrow, I am a Whipony
resident and I am the editor of Tap into
[39:22] Hannover. And I just really wanted to
thank you all from the bottom of my
[39:26] heart. Sorry. I really appreciate that
you guys have recognized us. I've worked
[39:31] really hard to come into the community.
You guys have been amazing and I really
[39:36] appreciate how much information you've
allowed me to share with the community
[39:40] because it's an impressive community and
the people are very very special. I have
[39:46] to take a leave of absence, but I will
be owning Tap into Hanover for the
[39:51] foreseeable future. And I would
appreciate that each and every one of
[39:55] you, as well as those of you in the the
room, would be willing to continue to
[40:00] give me information that I can share
with the residents so that they know
[40:03] what you're doing, so that they know
what their town is doing, and so that
[40:08] they know what each other is doing cuz I
really think that that's what makes a
[40:13] community. Sorry. Very, very emotional
for me, but thank you. Thank you so
[40:17] much.
>> Thank you, K.
[40:18] » Thank you. You've done a terrific job.
Thank you.
[40:20] » Yeah, we're happy to support you any way
we can.
[40:22] » Yeah. K, I just want to say too, uh,
we're going to miss you, but you're not
[40:26] going to be too far away cuz you're
available on your phone. But I've gone
[40:29] down lately more and more saying there's
168 hours in a week. The world does not
[40:35] stop at 34 1/2 hours.
>> I think you're I know that you're
[40:39] available 110 to 120 hours a week. I
personally appreciate that. and our
[40:44] residents appreciate that. So, thank
you. God bless you. And you're always
[40:47] part of us. So, thank you.
Anyone else?
[40:54] » Two quick things to um Mary Beth Calli,
Whitney,
[41:00] uh Commissioner Malgo, I did my homework
from last meeting regarding the traffic
[41:06] on Troy Hills Road. You told me to kind
of tell you when the speeders
[41:12] kind of time frame.
>> Okay.
[41:15] » Remember that kind of. And it's at
night. I would say between 7 and 11.
[41:24] » Okay.
>> You park a car there, we'll get them.
[41:28] » All right. We will.
>> And I know who's in the room. My
[41:30] neighbor.
>> And I already spoke to him.
[41:33] » So, that that'll help.
>> Really? Really? at night when traffic
[41:37] everybody all the right people are home
you know from work and the second quick
[41:42] thing to Mayor Gallagher is there any
prospects on new businesses going in by
[41:50] PJs where the two lots I call them are
still available
[41:56] » yes but of course I can't comment on
that yes
[41:59] » oh okay two business okay but it's
coming close
[42:04] to being there
>> not fast enough for me because you know
[42:07] how I roll. But
>> right,
[42:09] » there's two very nice prospects. Yes.
>> Okay, good. It just kind of looks dingy
[42:14] when you're sitting there getting gas
like on the front.
[42:18] » See, my problem is I want a lot of food
establishments and I'm not a kid
[42:22] anymore. My meta metabolism slowed down.
So like anything on the between my house
[42:28] and town hall or vice versa is a problem
because I'm going to swing in on the way
[42:32] out of here. So, we like food
establishments. We have more than we've
[42:36] had in a long time and uh I think that's
a beautiful thing and that's kind of
[42:40] what I'm hearing.
>> Okay. Okay. There. All right. Yes, sir.
[42:43] » Thank you, Ash. I think our land use
administrator would like to say
[42:47] something with your permission.
>> As long as she identifies herself, steps
[42:52] up to the podium, and she has four
minutes. Okay. Four.
[42:56] » No special treatment here. Kim
Yeah. Tonight tonight's kind of off the
[43:02] rails. You can do whatever you want.
Fall off.
[43:04] » I'm Kimberly Vonjour. I'm the land use
administrator for the township of
[43:07] Hanover. Um in response to your
question, I have an application
[43:12] currently in my office for the three pad
sites over at the BJ's. Um it is for a
[43:20] swim school,
a um electric vehicle charging
[43:27] and a it's called Seven Seven Brew. It
is a small
[43:34] uh specialty coffee type facility that
is drive-thru only. There is no inside
[43:40] seating. You cannot go inside at all. Um
that application is currently in my
[43:44] office going through the completeness
review process. Um, in order to come to
[43:49] public hearing,
>> can you spell your last name, please?
[43:52] No, I'm just kidding. [laughter]
[43:56] » We have two more minutes. Kim,
>> you know, I think you saw tonight that
[44:00] if you call Kim directly, she can say
more than we can say.
[44:04] » You said it well.
>> Okay. Anyone else?
[44:10] 10 more seconds.
>> You know what, Chris? We're going to
[44:13] give you 30 seconds and it's going to be
a hard stop. We don't off the rails
[44:18] tonight.
>> Do I have to reidentify?
[44:19] » No.
>> No. I just want to say thank you to uh
[44:23] to uh Joe Giorgio for integrating the
environmental commission into the review
[44:27] process for the land use boards, the
board of adjustment and planning board.
[44:31] I've had two members of board of
adjustment thank me outside of official
[44:36] business for commentary that we've
provided to them. They said it's been
[44:40] very informational and helped them make
good decisions. Uh and I'm happy to do
[44:45] the work. And thank you for to John for
helping integrate us into that and uh
[44:49] providing extra info as we make these uh
recommendation letters. That's all.
[44:53] Thank you.
>> Thank you for taking Thank you, Chris.
[44:57] » Okay. Anyone else?
Hearing none. Seeing none. Motion to
[45:02] close.
>> Second. All in favor?
[45:04] » I.
>> Okay. Tonight we're going to forego our
[45:07] comments, but I'd like to ask Committee
Cahill to uh address the crowd tonight
[45:14] about a very very important issue that
we've been getting a lot of inquiries
[45:18] about.
Let anybody else comment tonight.
[45:23] Thank you. Just the same. Um so I just
wanted to provide an update. And I know
[45:27] there have been a lot of questions and
you know probably 4 months ago we hired
[45:32] a consultant JAG consulting to have a
look at uh the two fire districts and
[45:36] see what we could do about either
consolidating them municipalizing
[45:40] everything was on the table. Um so I
just want to provide a brief update of
[45:43] where we're at with that. Uh a few days
ago uh Mayor Gallagher and I uh received
[45:49] a rough draft report uh from the
consultant. Uh it's in our hands now to
[45:55] review and read and I've been reading it
and rereading it and I know Ace has as
[45:58] well. Um our goal now is once we've read
it, you know, we have a lot of
[46:03] questions. We don't see very many
inconsistencies necessarily, but there
[46:06] are some things that perhaps we don't
understand because we are not lifetime
[46:10] first responders such as the consultant
is. Um so we're reading through that.
[46:15] We're highlighting, writing down our
questions, and we're going to circle
[46:17] back with the consultant, get those
questions answered so that we understand
[46:22] it well enough that we can speak to this
report intelligently. At that point in
[46:26] time, as soon as that happens, my goal,
our goal will be to meet with the town,
[46:30] the rest of the township committee. Uh,
it will have to be in legal. I'm just
[46:34] want to put that out front because there
is, you know, there are unions to deal
[46:37] with their contracts. So, just to be
fair and put that up front, it will be
[46:41] illegal. uh but we will be presenting uh
the findings and discussing those
[46:46] findings and seeing where we land as far
as what we think is this a good approach
[46:51] what is that approach again uh you know
a lot of open ends there once we get
[46:55] through that uh then as a next step will
be to either do one of two things uh we
[47:01] had talked about putting a subcommittee
together we always worked in
[47:04] subcommittees when we were trying to
work on the consolidation plan over the
[47:08] couple the past couple of years uh
taking a couple of commissioners from
[47:12] Cedar Nolles, a couple commissioners
from Whippony, uh um some either the
[47:16] chief or or some some administrator,
somebody who's familiar with operations
[47:20] and presented it to them. Or the other
suggestion was uh that the next or call
[47:26] for a special uh joint commissioners
meeting so that all the commissioners
[47:31] are in the room um and have that
presentation then. And then based on
[47:37] that feedback, that's where we go and we
bring that back to the committee and say
[47:41] this was the feedback and then that's
where we go from there. Like I said,
[47:45] anything can happen. Uh but I just want
to make sure that everybody knows things
[47:49] that everybody knows that things are
moving forward. Um so again, it's very
[47:53] high level. I know this crowd, I know
you want a lot more detail. I appreciate
[47:57] your patience. uh but yes but you know
we are moving forward and uh and I will
[48:03] try to update you as information becomes
available that we can provide to you
[48:20] » yeah it would be uh advisory consulted
deliberative at this point once uh
[48:26] action is taken or ready to be taken
then it would be able to do same thing
[48:30] as any kind of draft uh document.
[48:35] » Any other comment I have, Bryce? First
of all, thank you very much for all your
[48:38] time. Um, everybody's put a lot of time
into this. Uh, everybody's getting a
[48:43] little bit impatient, but what's
interesting is these conversations
[48:46] started 20 years ago. Uh, 12 years ago,
they got a little bit hot and we've been
[48:52] really looking at this for about 9 or 10
months and putting a lot of time into
[48:55] it. But I think you're doing a great job
and a lot of people are stepping up. And
[48:59] the last thing I'll tell you to give you
a little bit of optimism is no matter
[49:02] where anybody falls in this conversation
or in this argument, everybody seems to
[49:07] agree it can't really continue the way
it is. So that that means that our job
[49:14] is to find the solution working with the
people that have the most expertise and
[49:19] that's exactly what we're doing. Bri,
you at the helm, you're doing an
[49:21] incredible job and I personally
appreciate it. I really do. Mike, if you
[49:25] want to say something. Well, you know,
we got to talk about Hard Township Day.
[49:28] So, coming up for this uh September
12th, Hard Township Day, and we're going
[49:34] to have a little bit extra this year.
We're going to have u the Landmark I
[49:39] apologize. The Landmark Commission is
going to have a tent up. They'll have uh
[49:42] speakers. They'll have some uh uh some
displays. So, we're going to add a
[49:46] little bit. Uh for those of you that
don't know, Hannover Township Day is a
[49:50] chance for Hannover Township clubs,
committees, groups to have a have a
[49:54] place. It's a it's a uh a money-free
day. It doesn't cost anybody anything.
[50:00] Uh there'll be games, there'll be rides,
there'll be bounce houses, there'll be
[50:03] hot dogs, there'll be corn, there'll be
uh root beer. No beer, just root beer.
[50:09] Um but it's a fun day. Again, that's uh
September 12th. Mark your calendars,
[50:13] boys. So,
>> good job, young lady.
[50:16] taking more time to mic.
>> Yes, I'll receive my time to Mike. So,
[50:21] we can continue.
>> No, that's it. What do you got? Close
[50:25] this out. I would like to give a big
thank you to our public works department
[50:29] uh to Brian Fan and the staff uh through
this most recent storm uh which uh put
[50:37] Hanover County in a very difficult way
power-wise, knocked down trees, did a
[50:41] lot of construction damage. uh public
works department did a super job of
[50:46] getting us back on the line, cleaning
up, getting debris out to the street. If
[50:50] you got it out to the street, we picked
it up. So, good job. Very good job.
[50:54] Thank you. Beautiful. Okay, guys. Motion
to Yes, Michael. Sorry. I do it one
[50:59] more. Just a heads up. Now that the
parks uh central park is complete, the
[51:04] lights will be on for uh open use over
at Central Park, the rink till 10:00.
[51:09] We're going to leave lights on for the
summertime until we start having some
[51:12] planned events there. Uh, but so if you
see the lights on, they're on on
[51:15] purpose. Go use the go use the rake. Go
use the rake. And also the lights at
[51:20] Blackbrook are finally working. So that
only took
[51:24] » too many years. So, but those are up and
running now, too. So,
[51:28] » beautiful. Good job. Now, I'm done.
Okay, good. Motion to close. So, move.
[51:32] Second. Second. All in favor? I
[51:42] » [music]
[51:45] » Heat. Heat.