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Great.
>> Okay. I'll now call the regular meeting

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of annual council for January 21st, 2026
to order. Please, can I get a motion to

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approve the agenda?
>> I councelor move to approve the agenda

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with removal. Oops. Never mind. Good.
The next one.

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» I councelor Fox second.
>> Any questions, comments?

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All those in favor signify by saying I.
>> I. I. Any opposed? Motion carried. Thank

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you. Item three, consent section. Can I
get a motion, please?

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» I, Councelor High, move to adopt the
consent section with the removal of the

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upper Kings Kings Clear Fire Department
report to be moved to business rising 7A

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and with the removal of the CAO report
to be moved to 7D.

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» A second.
>> I councelor Clea second.

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» All those in favor signify by saying I.
>> I. contrary minded. Motion carried.

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Thank you, council. Any disclosures
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I'll take that as an
uh no other public input or inquiries.

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Moving on to item six. We have
presentations. We have two presentations

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tonight. Uh Mr. uh Keegan Webster from
Canada Post and John Gilbert from Kings

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uh talking about the Kings tree nursery
water issue. So, I'm going to ask Mr.

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Webster from Canada Post to go, please.

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Oh, I I've got no no PowerPoint ready.
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» it's making it easy.
>> Yeah, keep things simple.

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» Uh, okay.

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So, thank you all for having me here
tonight. Uh, as mentioned, I'm Keegan

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Webster. I'm here representing the
Canadian Union of Postal Workers. I'm

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the second vice president uh of the
Frederickton and Normaka Loco, which

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covers obviously the Hanwell area. We
cover all the way from Harvey up to

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Dotown and then a little bit east and
west of Frederickton as well. Um so

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mainly what I want to talk to you
tonight uh is about the proposed cuts uh

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coming to Canada Post. Proposed um well
it's been a tumultuous year for us as

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I'm sure anyone who's paying attention
is aware. Um but basically in September

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uh the minister in charge of Canada Post
announced significant alterations or

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what would becoming significant
alterations to the way we uh serve our

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communities and the way we work. Um so
there's there's two main ones that I

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want to touch on tonight. I'll try and
be brief. Um the conversion to community

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mailboxes and the ending of doorto-d
dooror delivery um is a a big problem

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for us. Um, and I know that especially
in rural communities, there's a lot of

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people who already have community
mailboxes, right? You might have a small

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one at the end of your street or
something along those lines. Um, but

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paired with the the idea behind
conversion to CNBs and elimination of

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door-to-d dooror delivery is the
elimination of jobs. Um, so just because

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you already have a community mailbox
does not mean your mail can't be uh less

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accessible than it is right now. because
with those same reports um the the

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Kaplan report from the Industrial
Inquiry Commission last year after our

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initial strike uh and then the uh
assessment from Minister Lightbound um

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the goal and the Canada Post uh like
annual assessment of what like their

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fiveyear plans, their 10-year plans,
they're to basically cut half the

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workforce over the next 10 years and you
have to make significant alterations to

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service st standards in order to do
that. So imag like if you had a CMBB

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right now, you might have, you know, one
at the end of your street or something

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along those lines that would be
transformed into, you know, a large bank

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of CNBs extending from uh me to the
mayor potentially that is now suddenly

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instead of a 5minute walk away, it's a
20-minute drive away. And this is

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reality for a lot of people in um rural
Newfoundland, for example. But this

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could be coming here as really the only
means of cutting down jobs in a in a

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significant manner on the delivery side
of things. Um, and I I think that that

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is really a shame and I think it's
basically shortsighted uh because we see

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as much as we see a decline in letter
mail, which you know on the union side

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we've been talking about for years as
and talking about ways that we need to

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be countering that and not just by
cutting our services down to nothing um

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and selling off our public assets to
private companies. Um but there's been a

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a spike in parcel uh parcel volumes and
deliveries. But the problem is that we

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are not capturing any of those in
instead that's being left to that work

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is being done by Amazon or other fly by
night companies that one they're paying

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like terrible wages. Uh people are not
able to get by on them. I see some of

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those guys working as I'm doing my
route. I'm a letter carrier in

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Frederickton. Their jobs are miserable
and they're not able to provide quality

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service, right? because they have so
much when they're paid, you know, per

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parcel or something like that, they are
constantly in a rush. You're forced to

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be throwing parcels at doors or leaving
them at the end of the driveway to get

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run over as they're squealing out to
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Um, so one, I I think that's a big
problem and and something that would

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affect uh rural communities uh in
particular. The other uh thing that we

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are emphasizing with this uh campaign
against these cuts is uh against the

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closure of post offices in particular
rural post offices. Now, as far as I'm

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aware, Hanwell does not actually have a
Canada Post Post Office within its

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boundaries, but you know, there's one in
uh New Maryland. There's ones that are

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close and accessible to you, and a lot
of these uh the protections are being

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lifted, right? There was uh from the
'90s until recently a moratorium on

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closing the rural post offices. Uh that
has been has been framed as being

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lifted. I don't want I don't want to put
these things in stone as of yet, but

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this is what the minister and this is
what Canada Post wants to do is to be

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able to close these things down. Um, and
even in our own negotiations, uh, there

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were a certain about 492 post offices
that were protected by the collective

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agreement. As part of our own
negotiations, we've let 100 off that

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list. Um, I think that's frustrating. I,
you know, did not agree with that

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decision by our negotiators, but you're
sometimes you're in a bind. uh you've

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got to make difficult decisions. But
what I'm at here for basically is asking

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for help from, you know, community and
municipal governments that are able to

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speak in the other ear of the federal
government because they're they're tired

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of hearing from us. Um and I think they
want to hear about what these cuts can

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do uh how how they can impact
small communities um across the country.

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And uh in particular, I think the
emphasis on making sure that there is an

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actual public mandate review um like a
review of Canada Post mandate and the

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Canada Post Act and not just one that's
dictated by a couple ministers um and uh

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backed up by private equity. So, uh, I'm
aware that I I we wouldn't be able to

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discuss a resolution here, but I would
like to, uh, propose a resolution for

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you to discuss at your next town council
meeting, as well as, uh, provide some

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information to help you do some further
research on this. I know I'm trying to

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squeeze a lot into a short presentation,
but, uh, some people like to take their

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time on those sort of things, but if you
wouldn't mind, I'd just like to read out

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some of the short bits from a resolution
just to get an idea of of what we're

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looking for. Um we have had some other
municipalities in the area sign on to

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something like this already. But
um whereas the federal government has

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announced drastic cuts to our treasured
public post office, killing good jobs,

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ending door-to-door delivery, removing
the moratorium and protection on post

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office closures and changes to delivery
standards for the mail. Whereas the

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federal government has done this without
meaningful public consultation and has

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made this decision unilaterally prior to
a planned Canada Post Corporation review

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from October 1, 2025 to March 31, 2026,
effectively eliminating any opportunity

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for input from the people who will be
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Whereas thousands of postal jobs will be
destroyed and 4 million households will

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lose door-to-door delivery most within
the next few years. Whereas post office

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closures could degrade or completely
remove service in many communities.

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Whereas these cuts will hurt seniors and
people with disabilities in particular.

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Whereas it is crucial for the government
and mandate review to hear the views

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from municipalities on key issues
including maintaining Canada Post as a

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public service, the importance of
maintaining the moratorium on post

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office closures, improving the can
Canadian postal service charter, keeping

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daily home mail and parcel delivery to
the door, improving postal banking,

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greening Canada post, adding EV charging
stations, adding food delivery,

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improving delivery to rural, remote, and
indigenous communities and developing

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services to assist people with
disabilities. abilities to help older

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Canadians to remain in their homes for
as long as possible and at the same time

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helping to ensure that good jobs stay in
their communities and the Canada Post

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can remain financially self-sustaining.
Therefore, be it resolved that Hanwell

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rural municipality uh formerly writes
the Minister of Government, Transporta

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uh transformation, public works and
procurement Joel Lightbound to demand an

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immediate halt to the service cuts and
to look instead for ways to increase

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services and revenues in other areas
such as those as noted above. Demand

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that no mandate review takes place until
Canada Post returns to stabilized

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operations and demand that any review of
Canada Post and the Canadian Postal

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Service Charter must be done through a
full and thorough transparent public

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review, including public hearings with
all key stakeholders in every region of

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Canada. Therefore, be it resolved that
Hanwell will make a written submission

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and/or participate in hearings to
provide input in the upcoming mandate

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review of Canada Post. Now, that's a
lot. Um, but just to be clear because I

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I think I've had some questions on this
before. The last whereas where it's

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talking about all the services like EV
charging and things like that, those are

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things that we currently don't offer.
But the framing here is that we have

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this large network of infrastructure
across the country. And these are some

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things that we could offer to improve uh
service to Canadians and, you know,

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improve revenue streams and make this a
a continued viable uh project, basically

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a national project. And that's one of
the main things we're framing this as is

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that you know the current federal
government is talking a lot about nation

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building projects and stuff like that.
And um and I I think that's good but I

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think the focus should be on like nation
building projects that we need to

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maintain like Canada Post. Um and
letting it oify and ro away I think uh

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does us a disservice and disunites us as
a nation. Um so I tried to be brief but

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if you've got any questions fire away
I'd be happy to answer. Okay. Thank you,

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Mr. Webster. Any questions for Mr.
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» Do we have time for questions?
>> Couple not not a lot of time, but some.

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» Okay. But I won't talk to you too much
then. Okay. Um um full disclosure, I

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could talk to you for hours because I
also work for a career company. I'm also

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the union rep for our company. And um
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» Hm.
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» No, Steel Workers.
>> Oh, okay. And uh so anyway um but I

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understand a lot of what you're talking
about and I understand a lot of where

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you're coming from because we have our
company has certainly benefited every

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time you go on strike

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» and and overworked me right to death. Um
but yet I I I see where you're coming

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from and I I tend to be very sympathetic
with you and I and I see um because I'm

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quite familiar with the industry. Um I I
see the value of Candipost and um ma

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mainly because the one that I work for
is not like purator. I don't work for

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them for ICS and we don't go everywhere
and I see the issue that we have here um

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with just delivering our um um our
newsletters. I've also run several

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elections. There's a real need for that
small non-addressed admail that you

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cannot send. Like I I I have to I
wouldn't I couldn't send my own with my

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company.
>> Yeah. you know, for example. Um, so

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I'm very sympathetic to your cause. Um,
I'm also quite interested in the things

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you said about um, you know, having new
services and new new whatever. So

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anyway, um, it's not so much as a
questions, it's more the fact that I'd

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like to know more. If you can send us
stuff, I'd be more interested in taking

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it for everybody have time to look at
your proposals and that kind of thing

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and and take it ser take it quite
seriously. So if you

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» Yeah, we've got lots of materials and
stuff I can send forward as well as I

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can send the text of the resolution just
so everyone's not

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» Yeah, that would be very helpful.
>> Sure. Everyone's got a photography.

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» All right. Any other questions,
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» Just curious. You said that other
municipalities have already put forth a

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motion like this somewhat of this. Which
which municipalities in our region?

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» Uh so I talked to Sunbury York South,
which is not a they don't have a

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functioning council right now. They just
have a supervisor. They're not privy to

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all the
>> but uh but they have approved a

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resolution through whatever their means
are and I gave a similar presentation to

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uh Nashwalk a couple weeks ago and I
think they are I think they meet tonight

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or sometime soon. So I don't know the
outcome of that but it was a I would say

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generally a positive response and then I
sent them some materials and they

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discussed and looked at them and
>> so no one's actually made a motion yet.

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This is just in discussions. Uh well the
Sunbridge South one but that's just a

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guy in an office so right but but yeah
uh and I think yeah so it's still just

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in discussions for the test region.
Thanks.

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» All right well thank you Mr. Webster for
certainly an interesting presentation.

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Uh we'll we'll see where council goes
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» Okay. Sweet. Thanks very much. Um
>> Mr. Webster if you could send that

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motion um forward to um the clerk.
sent the other one. Um, then we'll have

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it for
>> and I'll send some uh PDFs of like

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responses to the industrial inquiry
commission and stuff like that.

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» Not to be rude, but I have to leave cuz
I have a curling gift.

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» Yeah. First things first.
>> And he curls, too.

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» Are you my long lost son? Thank you.
>> He's wearing a blue hoodie.

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» He's wearing a blue hoodie.
>> Thank you.

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» All right.
>> Maybe a long lost nephew.

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» Maybe. Here we go.
>> Okay, moving on. We now have uh Mr.

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Gilbert and he wants to talk about the
water issues at the tree nursery. So

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I'll give him the voting.
>> Well, first of all, thank you very much

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for being here and it's great to be in
an island doing we're waiting for our

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signs.

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» They're coming. They're coming. That's
>> uh just very quickly, can everybody see

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that?
>> Yeah. Okay, great.

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» All right. So, so we all know last year
like I didn't mow my lawn since I think

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the middle of June and and it was a bad
and a dry year and we get the message

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from the government on the right hand
side saying every drop counts, you know,

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don't wash your cars and all that kind
of stuff. On our backyards is the tree

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nursery. We're in Garden View Drive and
the streets over from that. And the tree

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nursery's been there and we've been
there for a long time. But the tree

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nursery recently in the last two years
got a huge federal grant on the Trudeau

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2 billion tree um project which Carney
cancelled. But they bought two large

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large green houses and this summer they
didn't have enough water to run them. So

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their ponds dried up and Maple Glenn
Brook which feeds the ponds pretty well

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dried up. And so they're struggling. and
they have 12

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wells in total. Um,
I live on the edge to the left of that

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picture is the tree nursery and my house
is there. I put a pool in two years ago

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and I like to think of volumes um, a
cubic meter of water kind of doesn't

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mean much to me. So, my pool is 29 cubic
meters and they're planning on

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increasing the tree nursery water
withdrawal from that aquifer to at least

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19 of those pools a day. And there's no
real u science or no real studies yet as

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to whether that water is really there.
So we're all quite concerned in uh in

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island view and we don't know where how
far the aquifer goes in either

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direction. Could go over to Chuck Ever's
farm could go over you know well past

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ours we don't know. Um and there doesn't
seem to be a lot in the EIA. So the tree

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nursery had to file an EIA when you
anybody who withdraws over 5 cubic

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meters a day has to file an EIA. So we
got the We really didn't get the idea.

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We got this little piece of paper in our
mailboxes

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left. But anyway, it was in the middle
of a a a work um it wasn't a strike, but

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it's rotating strike. So, I'm not sure
we're already done it right away. Uh and

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some people didn't get it at all. Uh
there's um the tree nursery. That little

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arrow goes to my friend Daryl Bar's
house. It's showing uh they're putting

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they put in two uh test wells. Um this
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the bottom of that uh arrow is one of
the test wells. The other one is would

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be located at the top left and those are
going to be um pump tested sometime in

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the next two weeks. Good place to put
them right before our subdivision.

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Uh however, there's a couple of of
issues.

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I'll summarize that for you, but
basically a large commercial well

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extraction can have a number of things.
It can deplete the aquifer if they're

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taking too much out. Uh there can be
well interference when you've got wells

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in the subdivision and you've got
something that's pumping a lot of water

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um not too far away from us. And um
there's also the aquifer from

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replenishing. We're not getting a lot of
water this fall and this winter to

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replenish that aquifer. Um so we're
we're concerned about that for sure.

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That's a little small, but I don't this
is the only kind you really need to

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worry about. So this is the wells they
currently own. They're planning on

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increasing um either by depth or by bore
size of the wells. And it's quite a

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spread, but anywhere from 95 to 205
cubic meters a day to the proposed 250

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to 545.
That's a lot. That's more than double.

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And nobody really knows what their wells
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This is one of the problems. Uh you get
what's called uh well interference, but

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also coner depression. So when you sink
a well, you drop the acryer almost like

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a reverse trumpet. So the acryer goes
down. The deeper you go, the steeper

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that curve is. And what's called a well
interference is when you get two wells

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close together, it more than doubles the
um the drain on the aquifer. And I

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circle these because I'm using these
kind of this was two wells but I'm using

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this as the wells in the tree nursery
which are fairly close together and the

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wells in our subdivision which are
fairly close together. And when you have

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the two together one aquifer you get
this doubling and you get a bigger

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counter depression. So that's one of the
things that we're a little concerned

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about.
Um this is from the EIA and the big

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thing that there's two wells there now.
They were drilled before Christmas. They

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plan on testing those within the next
week or so and then they plan on

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decommissioning them and those wells
should stay there. There's two of them.

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They're down at least 300 ft. We feel
they should put some monitoring devices

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on those. So as they draw more water, we
know at what point it's going to be too

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low to get to the wells in our
subdivision. And that's something we

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have to get to them right away.
The other thing that we were uh I'll

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show this one later, but anyway, it's
from the uh it's from the uh report.

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They're required to do a number of
things for the public involvement

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program meetings or workshops appearing
at community groups or regular meetings,

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council meeting like this. Uh all we got
was a flyer and the flyer said that you

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have to have your comments to us by
November 27th. That's it. Closed. And we

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asked them about that and um Terry sent
them a letter. They sent back said,

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"Nope, we're not going uh any further
than comments that were in by November

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27th."
So Terry sent a letter to them and this

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came back and it says basically that the
fact that the nursery oper operations

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haven't changed, there's no increase in
the size of the nursery in the boundary

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of it and they're looking for a safe
operating yield. We believe it's not

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necessary at this time to extend the
consultation period or hold public

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meetings. We feel that's unfair because
there's very little information coming

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to us. Uh we're, you know, we've got
that they had the EIA online. It

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disappeared offline for a long time. It
came back up last week for some strange

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reason.
>> Oh, that would be the GMBB website.

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That's likely coincidental. That's a
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» anyway, we couldn't access it.
>> Yeah.

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» So, that was where our information was.
Uh I did a little sluting myself. Uh you

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can uh there's a company in Ontario, the
Huskins laboratory, and you can get a

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probe and you can drop it down the well
and it will tell you exactly how much

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water is in that water column. And that
is the fancy one. It's not that

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expensive. It's 5,000 bucks, but a well
cost 20. And it will send the

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information by the hour, by the day, by
the week, whatever to the cloud. and you

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can have a look of actually what status
your aquifer is at. I would think the

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tree nursery would want to have that,
but they're planning on filling these

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two um test wells in and not converting
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This was what uh was done by the WSP,
another consultant company from New

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Maryland, and they just got three new
wells in 2000. And I read through their

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report and this is just the key points.
So they had an aquifer recharge rate was

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calculated that under prolonged dry
conditions as of last summer there's a

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higher potential risk of increased draw
downs and possibly overpumping if water

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levels are left unchecked. Groundwater
leveling logging devices were installed

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in the observation wells for continuous
level logging. They put um observation

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wells around their three new pumps for
the village plus four new ones. water

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level logging will en provisions will
enable provisions for automated well

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pump shutdown at a predetermined low
liquid level and they got public

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meetings. So I think what we're
concerned about is we would like to have

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something you know between the tree
nursery and ourselves that gives us a

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water level check on that aquifer and if
it goes below a certain level where

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where wells start to dry up in the
subdivision that they have to do

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something else. They can pump from the
river. They can uh tap in. They can

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enlarge their ponds. Um you know, all
kinds of different things. But at some

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point, we don't want to be the test
where our wells go around, we go, we're

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drawing our wells and oh, we better do
something. We want them to be proactive

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rather than reactive.
Uh so the key messages for us are

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immediately don't fill in the test
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So there's two right in the right place.
They want to take the caps off. They

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want to fill up those cement and seal
them. And I know why. Because you don't

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want uh if they're low to the ground, if
there was an oil spill, it could go down

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and pollute the aquifer. But these are
already in and they're like your well at

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home. They're they're got a at least a
foot or two above. We want prevention

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rather than mitigation. Don't let us be
the guinea pigs. Uh the idea to mitigate

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demand. So they could enlarge the
holding ponds. They could pump from the

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river. They could draw from
Macintoshbrook because they're drawing

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now from Maple Glennbrook, but they may
be able to take a bit more water and

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store it.
Really expect a public information

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meeting if Grant if New Maryland can
have one and other communities can have

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one. Why can't we? And could be hosted
perhaps by you folks or you know down at

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the fire hall. I think that you said
that Johnny's um

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» at the
>> gas fire down there in the restaurant

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was a place that they they volunteered.
>> And again, some ideas from the new

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Maryland process.
>> So So that's it. We're not against the

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trainership getting more water. If it's
there, take it. But worried, we're

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worried about they don't know how much
is there. They don't know their demand.

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And that stuff's not clear in the
consultants report. And we've had sort

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of limited access. So Terry, we met with
uh Cindy Miles yesterday or on Monday

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and she said that all of a sudden
they've opened back up the comment um

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period to February
>> 25th

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» 25th.
So all of a sudden it's back open.

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» Um
>> so that's a good thing.

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» That's a good thing.
>> But you know was the fact that they

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heard that we were kind of rattling
around a little bit did that make them

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do it? I don't know. But um so anyway,
we're just uh we're looking for your

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support as the new members of the
village. And again, like if the water's

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there, no issues, but we're worried and
and uh at least one or two neighbors um

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let me just go back to show you
this situation. So, the person that

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lives um right about here has not a deep
oil pump, but a flight pump in their

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house and they have the the column down
and they noticed theirs was cycling

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faster this year. I live I live here. My
neighbor asked me in the September, he

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said, "Is your water a little bit dirty
in your toilet?" And I said, "No, but I

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do have a filter on mine." And when I
look at the filter, I had changed it

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around the 1st of September. It was as
dirty at the end of September as it was

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for 3 months.
>> So, it's starting to get down to the

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point where my pump spins up. It's It's
rounding up a little bit more. So, my

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well's 150 ft. There are also some
people like Daryl that have geothermal

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heating pumps
>> pumps. He's down 300 ft. Um, and there's

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several of those around. So, those folks
really don't want to dry out. It's their

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heat source.
>> No heat.

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» I'd freeze up. So, anyway, we're we're
we've had great support from Terry.

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She's made calls. She's written a few
letters and and that kind of thing. Uh

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our biggest concern right now is we have
to get the DNR and not let them fill

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those test wells um in and use them for
observation wells. And then after that,

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we'll see what happens after the pump
tests. They're going to do a 72-hour

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pump test on that at this time of year.
I know it's dry. It hasn't had much of a

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chance to recharge, but it would have
been nice to do it last year in

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September when it was super dry. We're
we're still in a drought.

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» Yeah,
>> for sure.

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» According to the government, we're it's
a one in 150 year drought that we

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experience.
>> So anyway, we you know, for a number of

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reasons, um you know, just your house
value, you don't have good water. It's

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hard to sell your house. Um not planning
on moving, but once a once a community

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gets a reputation for not having a good
water source, like everybody knows about

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Carlile Road, you got to go down 700
feet to get water. And there's other

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villages around that are having to do
boil water or things like that.

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We don't want that to happen to oursel
for sure and our property values. So, um

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I can take any questions that you folks
have. That's it.

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» Yeah.
>> So, John

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» Yeah.
>> Cindy Miles.

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» Yep.
>> Um met you guys reached out to Cindy.

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» She did did a meeting. Yep.
>> She's a fellow uh resident of the board

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» right beside the trainer.
>> Absolutely. Mhm.

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» Um, did did Cindy have any personal
comments or anything like that that you

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can share or or
>> Yeah, she was very open. She was very

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helpful. She took a bunch of notes at
the same show I showed here.

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» Yeah.
>> She asked for a copy of the show and

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then she said that she was going to get
to the Department of Environment

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» um to uh get some answers to some of the
questions and then she back to us. I

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know that the conversation that I had
with her uh it would have been just

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before I guess the the original
consultation timeline ended.

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» Yeah. 12.
>> Yeah, exactly. Um

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it was it was felt that
uh the request for an extension um would

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have been would have been met. Uh but
the other requests that we had put out

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there I think after you and I talked and
I talked to another a few other uh

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neighbors the idea of you know having
water drawn off the river uh you know

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didn't necessarily uh go over well
because of uh what happens downstream to

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which then you know if something happens
to the downstream properties then it's

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you know it's it's and it's instigated
by an upstream property or draw that

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it's an issue. And it was rather I guess
it was uh I found it quite uh quite you

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know comical on some level that it's
it's okay to do it on a well but it's

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not okay to do it on uh on a water
source like a river.

404
00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:32,720
» Um a question I have is based on based
on the conversation you would have had

405
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:37,760
with her um did she give any inclination
into alternatives or was it just open

406
00:29:35,679 --> 00:29:39,360
for open for dialogue? Yeah,
>> that was it

407
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,320
» for dialogue. Yeah.
>> And and and what was the date again?

408
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:44,080
» On Monday.
>> This Monday.

409
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:48,159
» Yeah, we were there Monday.
>> Sorry. Open till date.

410
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,840
» February 25th.
>> 25th.

411
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:54,799
» 25th.
>> I think if you in your head those 19

412
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,760
swimming pools in my backyard. I think
that's a buck a drop in the bucket of

413
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,240
the St. John River.
>> Absolutely.

414
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:04,080
» And they will need permits. No question.
The same as when you withdraw from any

415
00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:05,919
anything. But I don't think that that
will hurt St. never

416
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,760
» no
>> any.

417
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:13,200
» So, so they got to have some options for
us. So, if they test it and they say,

418
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:20,399
"Well,
>> looks like we can withdraw 480.

419
00:30:18,399 --> 00:30:23,279
You know, I'm not so sure because the
consultant and the well driller are

420
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,919
going to make it as good as possible for
them. They want to take as much as they

421
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:30,559
can."
>> So, I would almost argue that I'd like

422
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:34,720
to see third party review.
And I know that you folks have uh

423
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:40,080
somebody looking at the water situation
in the the village I think and maybe

424
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:44,159
that's a good test case right there as
to you know my interview.

425
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:49,039
» Yeah.
>> Was there a separate hydro geological

426
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,440
report done specific?
>> Not yet.

427
00:30:49,919 --> 00:30:54,640
» Not yet. They've been pumping for years
over there.

428
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:58,159
» It's an older subdivision. I mean there
hadn't been a lot of new houses in the

429
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:03,679
island. a few right here and there, but
but it's always been, you know, no

430
00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:07,279
issues. U I've been there since 1990. I
think in '92 we had a really dry year

431
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:10,399
and back then it was kind of all my lawn
green and I watered my lawn for 3 weeks

432
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:16,240
straight with the sprinkler and never
turned off the water. Tons of water.

433
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,159
» Not sure that's the case now.
>> So,

434
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:22,480
» well, you might have noticed we put out
advisories last year, last during the

435
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:27,600
during the for people to try to conserve
as much water as they can. So certainly

436
00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:31,520
concern of the handle council council.
>> It seemed to me like something like that

437
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:35,039
should almost be using this isn't enough
to do you guys nothing to do with it.

438
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:39,519
She almost using like a mini water tower
pumping from the river when the level is

439
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:42,480
high and gravity feeding that to when
they need it and then as it hurts a

440
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:46,559
certain same way water tower works in in
a town or a city, right? When it hits a

441
00:31:44,399 --> 00:31:51,039
certain level it repumps. that that
would be a much more logical way to do

442
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:55,840
this than pumping millions of gallons of
water from up for just it's much more

443
00:31:53,840 --> 00:32:00,399
sustainable and goes on.
>> People probably don't know it, but

444
00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:04,399
there's a big uh underground reservoir
up at the end of at the turn there where

445
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,880
you come out Deerwood swing on to
Marion. There's a fire hydrant there

446
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,720
actually,
>> but they they pump that full of for well

447
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:14,960
water. They pump that full during the
evening or during the night and then it

448
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,679
it supplies the down, you know, down the
hill people for water that are on the

449
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,440
sitting water.
>> I mean, makes an excellent idea. Pump it

450
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:24,720
pump it from the river into a tower or
reservoir or whatever and then use that.

451
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:27,039
» I think they have a small system
outside, but that's just for one

452
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:33,440
greenhouse.
>> And u they do have two goodsized ponds.

453
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:36,640
Uh the bigger pond has a lot of area
that it could be expanded to.

454
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:40,000
» So they could fill that in the spring
when there's lots of runoff and snow

455
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:44,559
melting. Maple Glenn Brook is running
full and um they could get a

456
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,360
» but they rig alongside the bloody river.
That's the obvious choice.

457
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,960
» They own the property right to the
river.

458
00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:52,559
» Yeah. So I mean
>> yeah they should just make a drill make

459
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:57,519
a pipe break to that and then pump it
and then

460
00:32:53,760 --> 00:33:03,600
» our area is full of springs. I mean
>> there's springs everywhere to the point

461
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,919
that they're under John's basement and
he has to pump it out.

462
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,559
» So
>> that's different water though. That's

463
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:12,159
that's the thing.
That water is the reason why there's

464
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:18,000
cedar trees at the top of our
subdivision because it's wet. And so

465
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:21,440
when I drilled some soups for my deck, I
had a machine, you know, big machine

466
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:25,919
come and they went down 4 feet and they
hit um limestone outcrop

467
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:30,960
» and that's as far as they could go. So
in the spring when the snow melts um and

468
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:34,960
it goes down, it hits the limestone
outcrop and I'm at the top of the hill.

469
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:39,519
I have no relief to drain anywhere. So I
have to pump up to the DTI ditch. And so

470
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:44,080
I have about five gallons a minute that
I'm pumping for about a month and a half

471
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:47,600
because it hits and it comes up to about
a foot higher than my basement. But

472
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,919
that's water that's perched. That's not
the stuff that's we're really talking

473
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:55,200
about.
>> Yeah. That's that's above the sediment.

474
00:33:52,159 --> 00:34:00,000
» Yeah. It looks wet, but it's it's it's
sealed off from the the aquifer. The the

475
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:06,159
other thing they don't mention in the
EIA is a tree nursery has grown

476
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:12,399
immensely in the past five years, five,
six years. Um, John mentioned the

477
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:17,040
federal program and it's something they
grabbed that money and we heard them

478
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:23,839
working over there in 2024 and they were
heating these green houses. We think

479
00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:29,200
they're about 250 ft long. We we're not
sure, but they're about there's 10 of

480
00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:35,440
them. Each one is about 30 feet wide.
They're enormous, bigger than anything

481
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:39,520
else they've got over there. And we're
sort of saying, well, before you build

482
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:44,480
those great big green houses and
populate them with seedlings, shouldn't

483
00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:50,879
you looked at the water consideration
before this major expansion? But we I I

484
00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:57,440
don't know. We're just speculating. It
was the money that was there. They had

485
00:34:53,280 --> 00:35:02,640
to do it quickly. And now we're now
we're they're threatening our wells,

486
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:05,440
» you know, because a new well cost, you
know, $15 to $20,000. That's a lot of

487
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,760
money.
>> That's why I say that that little $5,000

488
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:15,280
instrument
>> on those two $20,000 wells is a minor

489
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:19,520
cost. And if they were totally
transparent, that thing will will

490
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:22,880
actually transmit to a cloud and you can
go on the website and so the residents

491
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:25,280
could go and see what the water level
is. I don't think that's going to

492
00:35:23,839 --> 00:35:31,280
happen, but I would think the trainers
would like to know for their own thing

493
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:36,480
rather than fill those in. And
the worst thing that could happen is to

494
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:40,000
monitor flow from a flow meter on the
pipes that are going to the tree

495
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:44,480
nursery. So just think of it as one big
pipe. put a flow meter on that and they

496
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:50,000
say, "Okay, well, we were only taking,
you know, 800,000

497
00:35:47,359 --> 00:35:54,000
liters a day out of that, but you don't
know how that's affecting the wells."

498
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:59,040
That's what you're bringing in. And the
pump test for 72 hours may have told you

499
00:35:56,079 --> 00:36:02,040
that was there, but 72 hours is kind of
short.

500
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:08,320
» Yes,
>> Mayor has a question.

501
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:14,320
» Um, yeah. I I guess the thing that I I
strikes me most about this is um

502
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:18,640
we can sit and speculate because none of
us are hydro geologists and we don't

503
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:21,839
even know if the nurseries on the same
aquifer. Do you guys know if it's on the

504
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,680
same acryer as you're on?
>> Well, I I would suspect that there's one

505
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,880
that covers that whole area.
>> But see, but tech,

506
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:33,520
» but the acryers usually are are
>> Yeah, the thing is we we don't know

507
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:38,240
that. You don't know that. Nobody knows.
>> We don't know that either. And my point

508
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:41,680
is is I don't know why there was not um
meetings that that to me is the thing

509
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,880
that you can do something about. We can
sit and speculate whether there's enough

510
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:49,280
water or there's not enough water or
whatever, but you know, we're none of us

511
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:55,920
are the experts on it. And what we
should be pushing for I think is um

512
00:36:53,040 --> 00:37:00,880
questions to be answered at a meeting by
by the people who are experts in it and

513
00:36:59,359 --> 00:37:03,119
then you can make a you know a good
decision because I mean it's not us. I

514
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:05,760
mean, I don't know whether you could
pump. I used to work in the nursery,

515
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,079
another full disclosure, but that was in
the 90s.

516
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,520
» I used to work in the in the tree
nursery in the 70s.

517
00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:17,280
» It was very 90s
and uh so it sounds like it's changed a

518
00:37:13,359 --> 00:37:22,000
lot since I and you know, you know, I'm
certainly not an expert at it, but

519
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:24,000
there's no reason on earth that that you
know, because we can sit here and

520
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:28,160
speculate. I know nothing about pumping
water from the river. Um you know, I

521
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:31,599
might guess because of proximity you
might be in the same aquifer, but then

522
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:36,240
again, you might not. Um, I've learned
that from this waters people I work with

523
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:40,720
the the ones who were doing our water
surveying for fun. We were looking at at

524
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:44,320
different things and as to why my my
well I I have a lot of water and why my

525
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,240
neighbor down the road just went dry.
And our guy looked at it and goes,

526
00:37:45,359 --> 00:37:49,920
"Well, because you're not in the same
acquer, you know, and we're not that far

527
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:55,119
apart." So that you just don't know. But
there are people who do. And my point is

528
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:58,720
that I think we should be looking at you
getting somebody to come and answer

529
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:03,280
these questions and and in a way that
you know you and I and all the rest of

530
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:07,119
us here understand. So I'm hoping that
um you know you will push that and I'm

531
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:10,880
hoping that Cindy will do something to
to get these people going. The reason

532
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:14,160
they hire consultants is because the
consultants are supposed to know this

533
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:18,079
and so they should be doing the testing
and they should be telling you know

534
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:21,119
people in words that they understand
what's going on. So

535
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:23,359
» that's the big thing. It's a lack of
information and that breeds fear.

536
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,320
» That's right.
>> In your subdivision. Okay. So, we're not

537
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,000
against them taking the water if it's
there.

538
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:32,400
» That's fine.
>> Um, but you know, we don't want to be

539
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,920
the litmus test as our wells go dry that
they're taking too much.

540
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,040
» Too late then.
>> And it's too late then. So,

541
00:38:35,359 --> 00:38:40,160
» you need the assurance that the water is
there.

542
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:43,680
» There. We need to know how much they're
going to take. We need to know how much

543
00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:46,640
the aquifer recharges it every year. And
it's not going to be great year for

544
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:53,040
doing that. Yeah.
>> And um there's just a lot of questions

545
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:57,359
and people are scared and um and two big
big well truck pulled up behind Daryl's

546
00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:01,359
house and started drilling well. So
people are like they're drilling already

547
00:38:59,359 --> 00:39:03,520
» kind of thing. But it was the test well
but they're going to fill it in.

548
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,400
» Yeah.
>> It doesn't make any sense when they got

549
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:08,560
an opportunity to put an observation
unit on there.

550
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:12,240
» Yeah. But see that's the other thing we
don't know. I mean we we think the test

551
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:15,760
well might be useful. They may have
reasons to think it's not. And it's the

552
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:18,160
information of that that you need so
that you can make the the right

553
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,680
decision.
>> Well, when New Maryland put their three

554
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:25,520
wells, they put them all around the well
and they added four new ones. That to me

555
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,920
kind of says we don't want to affect the
residents and at certain point you got

556
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,280
to do something else.
>> But they also know their hydro geology

557
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:34,720
too and we don't.
>> That is true. Yeah.

558
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:37,680
» That's the thing.
No, no. All I'm not trying to be, you

559
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:41,040
know, devil's advocate here, but all I'm
saying is we need to have the right

560
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:45,200
information and the information is what
we should be pushing for. Yeah, we need

561
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:50,480
we need the test wells and and asurances
>> and council, you have a question.

562
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:53,760
» Is it for sure that they are going to
decommission

563
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,240
» those wells? It says can be
decommissioned. It doesn't say will be

564
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,240
decommissioned.
>> It does in another thing that I Oh, it

565
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:04,320
does.
>> It does. There's they're to be capped

566
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:08,880
with a say cement, but some sort of
plastic rubber stuff, you know. Yeah.

567
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,920
And I and I get why they do that. I
mean, you're really, if you sell your if

568
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:16,160
your house burns down and you sell the
lot, um, you're you're supposed to

569
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,119
actually get a permit to decommission
the well.

570
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:20,079
» Yes.
>> Every well has to be decommissioned.

571
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,400
It's not used.
>> Yeah.

572
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:28,240
» Because they don't water pollution going
down into the aquifer is the real

573
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:30,480
» No one's falling in those small.
>> All right. Any other questions or

574
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,560
comments?
>> No.

575
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:34,480
» Appreciate the chance to talk to you
folks. Terry, I'll leave you the copy of

576
00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:36,800
the presentation.
>> That's great. I'll put it in our file.

577
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,320
» Sure.
>> Well, thank you very much. Thank you

578
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,040
very much.
>> Enlightening.

579
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:46,200
» I got I got a few press. For some
reason, I got voted to be the

580
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:46,200
spokesperson for the

581
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,079
job.
>> Yeah. Anyway,

582
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:53,520
» good job.
>> We have jobs for you.

583
00:40:51,359 --> 00:40:57,359
» Yeah.
>> Maybe I should run.

584
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:01,839
» You know, everybody's concerned about
their their wellwater these days.

585
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:06,000
» Oh, I I used to water my garden up front
and people are going by and they're

586
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:08,640
looking at me going, "Oh, no. Sorry."
do that at night in the dark.

587
00:41:07,839 --> 00:41:11,359
» Yes, it's
>> bad counterfeit. Well,

588
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:15,200
» but that's one thing that they found out
when they did the wells in New Maryland

589
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:18,480
is that they did sink three big wells.
Two of the bigger wells they cannot run

590
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,280
at the same time. They have to alternate
them.

591
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:24,160
» Well, the Marylandto had a lot of water
problems out there anyway.

592
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:28,400
» I used to live there. They didn't
develop spring water of yours spring

593
00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:32,240
water place and I was on a well but a
lot of the people when I was living

594
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:36,800
there in the early late 80s
>> who were original residents of New who

595
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:39,920
had 50 foot wells they all ran dry
>> because they have seven or 8 thousand

596
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,400
people now and they're all stuck in the
water straws.

597
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,680
» You should change the name from
Springwater Place to something else. I

598
00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:49,119
know we have we have a spring water lane
in in either of

599
00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:51,599
» you.
Thank you gentlemen.

600
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:55,200
» Thank you
>> presentation.

601
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,480
» You don't have to run away. You stay and
enjoy the rest of the council meeting if

602
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:03,440
you like.
>> We want our signs.

603
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:06,880
» We're working.
I wasn't one of the ones, but we had

604
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:10,079
some very active folks in our in our
subdivision that did not want to be part

605
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:15,200
of Verdictton. And
>> I must say that um was it um Austin

606
00:42:14,319 --> 00:42:21,839
» David Bath?
>> No, no, it was the MLA at that time for

607
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:25,280
he's he's gone now, but um anyway, he
said, "No problem. Get the thing. Sign

608
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:28,480
everybody onto it." And he says, "I'll
make the changes." And it happened.

609
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:33,920
» Well, if you didn't hear, welcome to
>> H.

610
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:37,400
» We've always liked it.
move into town.

611
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,480
» Okay, moving item seven, uh, business
arising from the cons.

612
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,560
» Yep.
>> Yeah,

613
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:52,440
» we have Chief Graphs with us tonight.
So, we'll move on to 7A, the Kings Clear

614
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,440
Fire Department report.

615
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:07,359
» Good evening, worship.
No more from the public. Stop.

616
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:12,880
» Should get you to go first. There we go.
>> No problem.

617
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:19,880
» Uh,
you got my copy of calls we had in

618
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,880
December.

619
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:33,920
I think there was uh 12 accidents at 12
poles

620
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:38,839
and hydro lines of course
three

621
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:38,839
one structure

622
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:49,040
it was put down as a electrical problem
that's what the call come in as

623
00:43:46,319 --> 00:43:53,440
what it was is buddy was throwing out
his water pipes with the

624
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,520
» heater, right?
>> Oh, no.

625
00:43:54,240 --> 00:44:03,839
» Yeah. Went in the house and seeing the
smoke and

626
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:08,760
so could be in this electrical problem,
but it was on fire when we

627
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:14,400
» So, we got real quick and
moved on.

628
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:18,640
» Yeah. Still people still try to unthaw
their place with a torch. Go figure.

629
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:24,319
» Yeah. Well, no, this is heat gun. Yeah.
Heat gun. Yeah. So, I mean, the torches

630
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:28,160
and trigger locked and
>> it was taped up. So,

631
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,280
» there's a lot of heat up on those heat
guns.

632
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:35,760
» Oh, yeah. He went inside to have a
coffee or whatever and

633
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:39,280
» how quick it can happen.
>> Yeah.

634
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:46,640
» Very simple.
Uh, another thing we're looking at

635
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:56,560
is uh doing an ice rescue
course and elevator course.

636
00:44:50,800 --> 00:45:01,839
» It's going to be what? $425 per person,
but not everyone's taking it.

637
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,520
And
with your blessing, I guess we will uh

638
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:15,839
if we set it up, we'll probably sell
some seats to the capital district,

639
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:20,640
» right? Like if we use six and they only
take 12, then we get six seats that we

640
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:22,720
could sell.
>> That's a good idea. Help defay the cost

641
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:26,960
anyway.
>> Yeah, that's right.

642
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,880
» I think we only have one out of the
veteran hammer,

643
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:35,599
» too. school in the hotel.
>> There's one in the school.

644
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:40,000
» There you go.
>> So, good stuff to know.

645
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:44,880
» Oh, yeah. You need to know that.
>> I got to deal with them.

646
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:49,680
» And
we have some props from fire marshall's

647
00:45:47,839 --> 00:45:55,680
office.
Extinguisher prop. Basically shows you

648
00:45:52,560 --> 00:46:02,880
how to do use an extinguisher.
So, that's available anytime we want it.

649
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:06,000
So any functions going on?
>> So Chief Crimson and I were saying that

650
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:09,200
maybe ham days.
>> Yes.

651
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:11,119
» We could probably have
>> probably do it.

652
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:14,319
» Yeah.
>> And bring the trailer the trailer into

653
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,880
the kids.
>> Good idea.

654
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:19,599
» Good idea.
>> A little bit of knowledge comes in

655
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:22,400
handy. I mean, you grab an extinguisher
and you can't you it doesn't work. I'll

656
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:26,560
pull the pin out of it.
>> If you don't know that, you could be

657
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:30,800
caught. Yeah. And with the trailer and
stuff, it's good to know well in

658
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:35,119
advance.
So if you're up to it, I'll make the

659
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:42,560
call.
>> So we'll have booked for a weekend.

660
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:46,000
» Yeah. Sounds like a good idea.
>> So Chief Chris, will you be able to do

661
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:49,920
our training for our summer students
this year on the fire extinguishers?

662
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:56,240
Because we did that last year, right?
That didn't we do training on fire

663
00:46:52,480 --> 00:47:01,040
extinguishers? Yeah, we did. Not a lot,
but we did. Yeah.

664
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:04,640
And you get there new students this
year.

665
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:10,720
» Uh possibly we'll be probably getting
additional students.

666
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:13,839
» Because EFF will be coming up too, the
end of May, 1st of June.

667
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:19,200
» Yes. Right.
>> So,

668
00:47:15,839 --> 00:47:26,079
we have the other students. They're all
>> all have numbers and stuff. So, there's

669
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:30,359
anything a major I'll be making a call
looking for bodies there.

670
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:37,760
» Okay. Any questions for the chief?
>> That was it.

671
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:43,599
» You're getting off easy tonight.
>> All right. Now to another meeting.

672
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,280
» No rest.
>> So, thank you, Chief.

673
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,599
» Thanks, Chief.
>> Appreciate it.

674
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,720
» I, Council McKenzie, move to receive the
fire department report for December.

675
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:56,720
» Second
floor. Second. Any questions, comments?

676
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:59,280
All those in favor signify by saying I.
>> I.

677
00:47:57,359 --> 00:48:05,040
» Contrary minded. Motion carried. Thank
you. Uh item B, we have the municipal

678
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:07,599
vehicle use policy number 202601. I'm
gathering everybody has read that in

679
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:12,960
their package.
>> So if so, uh I'll get a motion, please.

680
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:17,760
» I councelor duly move to adopt policy
2026-01,

681
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:20,640
the municipal vehicle use policy.
>> Second.

682
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:23,760
» I councelor Delete a second.
>> Okay. Do we have any questions? his

683
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:27,920
comments.
>> Just didn't we already have this this

684
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:30,240
municipal use policy? We just didn't. We
just never enacted it. We talked about

685
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,520
it for a long time.
>> I think we talked about it, but it was

686
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,599
never
really

687
00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:37,599
» Oh, I just assume we need it updated for
the fire department.

688
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:40,000
» No, we've never had it.
>> Never had it.

689
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:43,680
» I know we talked about it.
>> We did. We did, but we never but we've

690
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:47,520
never
>> Okay.

691
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:52,319
» Okay. Any other questions or comments?
>> All those in favor signify by saying I.

692
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:58,720
» I. Contrary minded motion carried. Thank
you. Uh item C, black art portfolio

693
00:48:55,599 --> 00:49:04,839
phase one. Again, this was in the uh
package. If anybody I'm sure everybody's

694
00:49:01,359 --> 00:49:04,839
gone over it.

695
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:16,640
So, we have to decide whether to move on
to phase two or or stop at phase one.

696
00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:22,160
But I do need you to um adopt
>> your your report for phase one.

697
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,880
» Okay. So, need a motion to adopt phase
one.

698
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:29,520
» I councelor Fox move to adopt the
strategic roadmap phase one report

699
00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:34,640
prepared by the black arcs and port
portfolio for phase one of the traffic

700
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,480
flow growth and infrastructure planning
software.

701
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:40,880
» Second.
>> I council Julie second.

702
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:44,000
» Any questions, comments? We're good. All
those in favor signify by saying I.

703
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,839
» I.
>> Contraminded.

704
00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:51,440
» Motion carried. Thank you. Now, uh the
second motion on there is whether we're

705
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:54,160
going to uh move into phase two or what
not. So, we'll get the motion on the

706
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:56,480
floor and then we'll have discussion if
needed.

707
00:49:54,559 --> 00:50:01,119
» I would like to. So I I councelor
McKenzie move to authorize the CEO to

708
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:05,359
enter into a contract for black arcs and
portfolio to continue onto phase two of

709
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:10,000
the strategic road mapping software
development and traffic flow plan in the

710
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:15,240
amount of $38,871
plus HST for a total of $44,71.65.

711
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:20,319
» Secer
high second.

712
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:26,960
» All righty. We have a motion on the
floor. Any questions, comments?

713
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:30,160
Um, no. I I think we met a presentation
from them

714
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:35,200
» and it seems very pertinent to what we
want to do, what we need to do uh to

715
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:38,559
continue on with our traffic issues and
hand also.

716
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,800
» Okay. Any other comments?
>> No. All those in favor signify by saying

717
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,079
I.
>> I.

718
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:48,400
» Contrary minded motion carried. Thank
you. Item D, uh, adapted to the agenda

719
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:53,359
treasures report. So, I'll turn this
over to chair.

720
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:58,480
So, council, I wanted to um speak about
the

721
00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:04,160
my treasures report, the CIO report um
part of it, I just gave um a list of

722
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:11,680
everything that we got accomplished
last year. So, you can um read that.

723
00:51:08,319 --> 00:51:16,559
However, for the treasures report, um I
just wanted to let you know that our

724
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:20,640
2026 general operating budget was
approved by the province on December the

725
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:27,520
17th
and they approved the following rate. So

726
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:31,440
residential for no street lights, it's
going to be

727
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:36,599
3683
cents and street lights 3894.

728
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:49,680
non-residential will be um 0.5525
cents and street lights would be 0.541.

729
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:56,079
So based on the residential property
with no street lights and an assessed

730
00:51:52,480 --> 00:52:01,160
value at $300,000, this would equate to
a tax bill of about approximately

731
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,160
$1,14.90.

732
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:13,599
Um, so this is $44.70
increase over last year's rate of 3534.

733
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:22,800
So with cost of living and us needing
additional staffing and um services and

734
00:52:18,319 --> 00:52:30,240
um recreation stuff, um I think $44 is
we did very well. So, um, property

735
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:35,520
assessment notices for 2026 taxation
year have been mailed out. I think a lot

736
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:40,160
of people probably got them this week.
>> As previously discussed, the province

737
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:46,000
has applied a one-year freeze on the
value of the property. Therefore, tax

738
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:51,359
bills will be calculated using the 2025
property assessment value. Um, these

739
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:56,400
figures are used to calculate property
taxes, keeping in mind that not all

740
00:52:53,599 --> 00:53:01,440
properties are eligible for this freeze.
I did see on social media today somebody

741
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:06,400
saying that, um, they received theirs
and there wasn't a freeze. So, um,

742
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:11,920
refers to Service New Brunswick's
property tax freeze. Um, they have a

743
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:16,480
website and it lists, um, all the
reasons for non-eligible,

744
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:20,000
um, properties. There was about six of
them.

745
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:24,559
Um, so Service New Brunswick is
responsible for assessing and

746
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:28,720
classifying properties in New Brunswick,
not municipalities.

747
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:35,960
So residents should address their
concerns with Service New Brunswick by

748
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:35,960
calling 18887628600.

749
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:46,160
And the deadline to file a request for
review is February the 18th. and

750
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:51,200
property tax bills will be mailed out on
March the 2nd.

751
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:55,200
» And just as a note of clarity, you had
mentioned the the tax bill for the

752
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:59,280
$300,000 assessment. That was only the
municipal portion, which is about 40% of

753
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,760
the tax bill. There's also an additional
60% of the tax bill that comes directly

754
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:04,880
from the province. Yes.
>> So residents happen to notice that my

755
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:09,359
tax bill should only be $1,000 on
300,000. Well, that's that's the reason

756
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:13,640
why it would could be 60% higher than
that. So,

757
00:54:09,839 --> 00:54:13,640
» right. Correct.

758
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,839
Okay. Any questions for Karen?

759
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:26,960
» I move to receive the CA report.
>> Captain Mackenzie, I second.

760
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:31,119
» All right. Any other questions,
comments?

761
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,760
All those in favor signify by saying I.
>> I.

762
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:40,559
» Contrary mind. Motion carries. Thank
you. Uh item 8 A, new business. Uh 8A,

763
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:45,280
Madison Heights subdivision 2025 phase
2. So this is the second phase of that

764
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,760
that's been going in. We already had
phase one. Yes.

765
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:55,280
» Not that long ago.
>> Yeah. So with um phase two, they were um

766
00:54:52,319 --> 00:55:01,599
approved for this a little while back.
Um the developer um doesn't plan on

767
00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:08,079
doing anything for a bit. He's going to
do phase one. However, instead of having

768
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:13,760
to come back later, he just figured that
we would just put these on the books

769
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:21,599
now. So,
so once again, we can um take the 8%

770
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:27,599
which is calculated in your table or you
can ask for 8%

771
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:34,599
um of the total area of the lots as in
land.

772
00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:34,599
We can ask for part land, part cash.

773
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,960
» Okay. Can I get a motion, please?

774
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:50,880
» 8A motion under Madison Height
subdivision 2025 phase one in red.

775
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:54,400
» I'll make a motion and then we can see
where it goes.

776
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:58,559
I councelor Heislip move that the rural
community of Hanwell request a sum of

777
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:03,319
money up to 8% of the value of the
property in the amount of $24,783.92

778
00:56:03,839 --> 00:56:12,559
as per similar sales and SMB property
assessments online as divined in the

779
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:14,400
table following. Do you want me to read
the table?

780
00:56:13,839 --> 00:56:16,400
» No.
>> Okay,

781
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,640
» it'll be in the minutes.
>> Thank you.

782
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:23,680
» Can I have a second or please?
>> I councelor Dele second. Any questions,

783
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:27,119
comments? Council Penzy,
>> just uh make a comment there for people

784
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:32,559
that might be listening as to why I'm
going to vote the way I am. I made it

785
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:37,839
clear hopefully probably not. Uh many
many moons ago that um in the cases of

786
00:56:35,359 --> 00:56:42,480
us looking for land public purposes,
whether it be land or money, I will

787
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:46,319
always vote for the side of land. Um
tried a couple times in the past and

788
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:51,040
know that usually always fails. Um so
this time, same holds true. I'm not

789
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:54,000
going to support taking the money for
this. I would have rather see the land

790
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:58,960
uh I don't care if it's only 100 square
feet and plant a tree on it, right? It

791
00:56:55,599 --> 00:57:04,079
doesn't really matter the the size. Um I
think we need the land is more usable

792
00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:07,760
regardless of what it is over the small
amount of money to get over this. So

793
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:10,160
that's why I will not be supporting this
motion.

794
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:14,240
» Okay. Any other questions, comments?
>> I have just one other comment.

795
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:18,559
» Deputy Mayor. Um
I guess the one thing I would like maybe

796
00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:24,160
that we could ask the uh service
commission to do going forward um is

797
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:28,160
they they put in a recommendation as to
whether you know they want land whether

798
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:35,119
we should look at lander money. I know
every uh subdivision is different. Um

799
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:40,880
I'm a great proponent of if we could get
land that's useful there. Um we should.

800
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:44,400
If we don't then I don't have a problem
with the money. But I guess what I would

801
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:48,000
like to see happen, I don't know how
much when people come in to do these

802
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:51,599
things. I know sometimes people will
come and they'd like us to take a piece

803
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:54,799
of land and we had that come up and it
it didn't seem feasible at the time, but

804
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:58,079
I'd like to see somewhere in the
documentation because usually the

805
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:03,839
service commission is very good at
working with the developers and I'd like

806
00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:07,520
to see some kind of in their report um
just where they've indicated whether or

807
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:12,319
not they they've discussed this option
with the with the land owner

808
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:15,440
» to take the land. No,
>> just to have

809
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:19,359
» if there's any land that would be
>> to work with them for this to be a

810
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:23,920
collaborative thing, I guess, is my idea
because some people, you know, would be

811
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:28,960
interested in in that option and maybe
aren't aware of it and so and there may

812
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:32,720
be cases where they are wanting to do
that. land's not suitable, but I'd just

813
00:58:30,799 --> 00:58:36,559
like to see a note in in their files
when we get them whether they've

814
00:58:34,799 --> 00:58:40,720
actually discussed this and and worked
with the land owner to see which option

815
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:42,319
really is the best for everybody
concerned.

816
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:46,160
» That would be nice. And
>> yeah,

817
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:48,240
» like where it would be in the plot.
>> Yeah.

818
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:52,799
» When you when you look at when when we
look at this map in front of us, what we

819
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:59,040
see is the proposed building lots, what
we don't see is where where said

820
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:02,640
property as the 8% could be. Yeah.
>> And and what value we would put on it.

821
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,160
So
>> yeah,

822
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:08,880
» that makes sense.
>> There's no knowledge as to where that 8%

823
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:14,079
could be, what what it is, where it is.
>> Councelor Fox,

824
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:21,040
» just a a question to um the CEO. I'm
just wondering, do we I can't recall how

825
00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:24,160
many lots there were in phase one.
>> I can tell you, right here.

826
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:26,960
» I think there would have been eight
because there's nine. It starts at

827
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:31,240
number nine in phase two. So there must
have been eight.

828
00:59:27,359 --> 00:59:31,240
» Must be eight. I'm wondering.

829
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,839
» Yeah,
>> the same.

830
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:39,359
» There was eight.
>> Okay.

831
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:43,520
» Oh, well, eight. Uh, one of them was
that pond

832
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:48,319
» one. So, there's actually one, two,
three, four, five, six, seven. Yeah,

833
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:50,400
eight. And one was
>> not useful.

834
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,720
» Not useful.
>> Okay. Any other questions or comments?

835
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:59,599
Council Hawks.
>> Well, so just to comment on that. So now

836
00:59:55,359 --> 01:00:04,079
we're now we're looking at um 15 plots,
right?

837
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:08,160
» Um in total. That kind of changes things
for me because now we're not looking at

838
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:14,079
something small. Now we're looking at a
larger subdivision and how many lots do

839
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:20,960
you need before we should have some land
um as opposed to, you know, just taking

840
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:24,960
the money, right? So um yeah. So anyway,
just I just wanted to say that that it

841
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:31,520
it just kind of changes things because
now it's it's bigger, right?

842
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:36,319
» And and how big becomes big enough that
we need to take some.

843
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:42,720
» So council, um I don't believe from
talking to the developer that he's in a

844
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:47,520
big rush um for this. If you would like,
I can go back and ask them like, is it

845
01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:53,839
possible
to possibly do the land portion of it?

846
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:59,119
How big of the area and where would it
be? And then I can bring it back. We're

847
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:03,839
probably going to have a couple of um
meetings in February with the audited

848
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:09,280
financial statements and different
things that we've got going on. So, I

849
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:16,960
could certainly talk to the developer if
you want to kind of put this on hold and

850
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:20,559
then bring it back to you afterwards.
>> Should I ask another question?

851
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:23,760
» Yeah, possibly want to maybe run that
through Lonnie and he can contact the

852
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:27,359
developer, right? Is that what I'm
saying?

853
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:33,119
» Um, it can be. I mean, he's been here in
my office times. So,

854
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:37,200
» yeah. But actually this was my point
exactly uh as to why we'd like to have

855
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:41,920
this stuff worked out before because it
really is not up. We should not be the

856
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:45,119
ones talking to him that it should go
through the develop through the

857
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,200
development officers and go through
Lonnie's office.

858
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:50,480
» It's their responsibility.
>> It's their responsibility to do that

859
01:01:48,799 --> 01:01:51,520
stuff for us. Yeah.
>> Our planners.

860
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:55,280
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. So you can contact Li if if that's

861
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:59,359
what council desires. Then we'd have to
table this motion to our next meeting.

862
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:02,160
» I'd like to have the discussion with
them actually.

863
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,400
as always.
>> Okay,

864
01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:05,920
» I can just resend the motion.
>> No, I think we just set the table with

865
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:11,680
no
>> we could just make a motion to to

866
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:16,000
postpone this to a future um council
session.

867
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:20,480
» I can make a motion. I'd like to
make a motion to postpone the motion on

868
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:22,000
the floor to a future session of council
to meet.

869
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:26,240
» Second.
>> I councelor newly will second.

870
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:30,480
» Any questions, comments? All those in
favor signify by saying I.

871
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:33,680
» I. So, this motion has been postponed
until our probably our next meeting or

872
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:38,960
until Lonnie gets some information for
us.

873
01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:43,599
» Okay, moving on to item B. Uh, the radon
testing uh remediation. Terry has uh

874
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:47,599
talked to those folks and she has some
information for us.

875
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:53,680
» Thank you. So, I
I contacted a company um I found one and

876
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:58,960
actually plus
was talking to them the day before

877
01:02:55,520 --> 01:03:06,319
yesterday. um they had to come today um
to do something in Preerton. So they

878
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:12,640
came over, they looked at our results.
Um they really think that it probably

879
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:19,599
has something to do with the air
exchange. Um

880
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:24,160
our boardrooms um were quite high.
However, in those areas, you're not

881
01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:32,640
getting a whole lot of air circulation.
We had them closed up a lot. There's not

882
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:36,480
windows in there. Um they said that
I was worried because we didn't test the

883
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:42,240
community hall
>> and I said, you know, like I'm just kind

884
01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:47,119
of worried with um rents and stuff. He
said the air circulating all the time,

885
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:52,880
especially where the room is so large.
>> So I mentioned to him about using the

886
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:58,240
boardrooms as well. And he said he
really he said as long as you kind of

887
01:03:54,559 --> 01:04:03,359
kept a wall part of our wall or a door
open like into the community hall or

888
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:10,960
into this um part, he really didn't see
um an issue with it. He said radon is

889
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:19,039
long-term exposure. So he said having a
a rent is not going to um do anything.

890
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:23,920
Saying that u they did go through our
building, looked at all of the air

891
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:31,760
exchange. I said that we are also
working with PMC right now to look at

892
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:39,359
our air exchange system anyway. So there
is a pipe. I didn't think that we

893
01:04:33,839 --> 01:04:44,240
probably had the radon um pipe. 2015 it
was put in as code that you every

894
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:49,920
building had to have one. I didn't think
that we had one. He said that for a

895
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:52,880
building this size, there are probably a
few of them and they're probably in the

896
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:58,799
walls
>> or whatever. Um, so I'm going to go back

897
01:04:56,319 --> 01:05:04,160
and look at the plans. He was just here
today and we'll try to see if there's

898
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:11,119
other ones, but there is one in our
mechanical room. So, what they're

899
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:15,520
thinking of doing um they will cut a
small hole um probably somewhere close

900
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:18,400
to the front of the building in the
floor and it's like a vacuum.

901
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:22,480
» Mhm.
>> Okay.

902
01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:26,079
» To be able to see and if there is a air
intake or something then they'll know

903
01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:34,319
more. So, they're going to do some
testing um first. I don't have a price

904
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:41,280
for you. I had a kind of a blank motion
for you, but I think it's too premature.

905
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:48,000
Um, if anything, maybe just do a motion
just saying that

906
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:51,920
to let me mitigate it or whatever. But,
um, I think that's kind of common sense

907
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:54,559
that it's something that we've got to
do. Um,

908
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:57,119
» just being an operational thing.
>> Yeah, I really think it is an

909
01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:03,119
operational
>> or whatever. and until I find out costs

910
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:06,720
and stuff and then I will bring it back.
But it's something now that we are aware

911
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:09,920
of we really should.
>> Yeah. This would be budget under

912
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:14,400
building maintenance. Really? Really?
>> Yeah. So, it's only if it came back and

913
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:20,000
it was, you know, tons and tons of
money, then I would um bring it forward

914
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:25,920
to you. But it is something that we've
got to uh

915
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:30,640
get fixed. And um yeah, we're very
fortunate, I think, to uh be able to get

916
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:36,160
them in days
>> notice or whatever. So, I will update

917
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:40,160
you as soon as we knew know more. They
were going to I gave them um a copy of

918
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:45,760
our foundation
plan and stuff. So, they were going to

919
01:06:42,799 --> 01:06:52,079
kind of look at that and see cuz we're
only on a slab kind of thing. So he

920
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:55,440
really thinks that a lot of it is um
just the air circulation which may be

921
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:59,200
fixed.
>> Is it the lack of air circulation or is

922
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:02,240
it something that's in the circulation
system that's making that room worse or

923
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:06,559
those areas?
>> So well the the boardrooms has um very

924
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:10,880
little circulation because they're
always closed up, right?

925
01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:15,760
» Um the mayor's office also that was a
little bit higher but a lot of times

926
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:20,319
he's kind of in our offices, right? So
not really um into that one.

927
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:25,119
So,
I think it's just kind of usage and when

928
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:28,559
things are closed off, of course, you're
not going

929
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:31,359
» to the folding doors open unless there's
a reason to close them, then that would

930
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:35,440
get rid of that problem.
>> Yeah, that's kind of good news.

931
01:07:32,799 --> 01:07:42,400
» Well, see, we didn't know until we had
this. So um yeah so I think um once we I

932
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:48,720
will discuss this with um PMC as well
and maybe it's part of that whole air

933
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:52,240
exchange um thing that we can rectify.
So maybe between the two companies we

934
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:55,359
can uh get
>> Shouldn't be very expensive to do that.

935
01:07:53,359 --> 01:07:58,960
It's usually just a little fan. So if
the pipes were already done like that

936
01:07:56,559 --> 01:08:03,119
for code they probably already have the
electrical and everything already run.

937
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:06,880
Yeah, cuz I think he said that um with
the pipe then it's another pipe that

938
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:10,559
will go up through to the roof.
>> Yeah, it just fans

939
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:15,280
like
>> I will say I will say this though. Um we

940
01:08:13,839 --> 01:08:19,920
can leave the doors open between the
hall and the boardrooms. However, both

941
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:24,000
of those rooms are heated differently.
So then you've got a cross biting

942
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:26,480
between the hall heat and the boardroom
heat.

943
01:08:24,719 --> 01:08:31,199
» Boardroom's geothermal where the hall is
not. So this side maybe

944
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,960
» it is can be left open on this side like
towards the hallway.

945
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,880
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

946
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:38,400
» Through the day.
>> Through the day. Through the day. Yeah.

947
01:08:36,719 --> 01:08:44,000
And then he said that was kind of
another thing. Um

948
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:48,319
» our heating system it cools down at
night like usually 4:00 our heating

949
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:53,199
system will cool down. So he said that
radon

950
01:08:49,520 --> 01:09:00,799
» will rise. Right. So he said that
there's other um systems that we can get

951
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:07,920
the little pucks that we have um kind of
interesting the radon pits that plastic.

952
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:13,199
So they have to take a microscope and
they have to count all those little dots

953
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:18,239
that are have hit the inside of that. So
I was like okay this was like not much

954
01:09:15,839 --> 01:09:26,080
bigger than a tuni kind of thing. And
they counted like the 600 Sounds great.

955
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:31,839
So, um, he said that there are tests
that will be more of a graph and I was

956
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:37,279
mentioning about yours, Counselor
McKenzie, and he was wondering if yours

957
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:40,400
hooks up to a computer that um will show
you those graphs.

958
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:44,480
» You can. Yeah. I I don't I just use the
stuff that's built into the machine with

959
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:49,359
it, but you can get
>> or whatever. So, good way to do it.

960
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:54,000
» Yeah. Anyway, so um I ended up having to
leave to go to a meeting. So, I didn't I

961
01:09:51,759 --> 01:09:59,600
wasn't able to finish the last of it.
And he said he'd contact me um tomorrow.

962
01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:04,960
So, I'll know more as we move forward,
but maybe we'll have to do some other

963
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:09,120
kind of testing. So, we're on
>> Okay. Okay. Moving on to item nine,

964
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:13,600
proclamations. We do not have any. Uh
item 10, upcoming activities. January

965
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:17,600
22nd to February the 8th Frost of
Snowshoe and ski loan pickup Monday to

966
01:10:15,679 --> 01:10:22,480
Friday 8:00 a.m. to 400 p.m. Contact
Hanwell Recreation at Recreation at

967
01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:26,400
Hanwell.b.ca for more information.
February 28th, the Moonlight Hike at

968
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:30,239
Hanwell Recreation Park at 7:00 p.m.
Item 11, we do not have a close session

969
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:32,880
for tonight. Item 12, date, time, and
location. Next meeting will regular

970
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:38,640
council meeting council chambers,
February the 18th, 2026 at 7 p.m. Can I

971
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:43,080
get a motion to adjurnn, please?
I councelor Fox move to adjourn.