[9:20] Hey uh good good evening and welcome to
the committee of the whole meeting for
[9:24] the uh 14th council town of H Valley
Goosebay for the month of September. Um
[9:30] call the meeting to order and uh
we'll start off with finance
[9:34] administration policy committee. There's
no decisions being made here tonight for
[9:38] the interest of the public as discussion
on the items that will come forward at
[9:41] the at the regular public meeting at the
end of the month. So I'll ask uh
[9:44] councelor Denise Rumble to bring forward
a report from finance administration and
[9:49] policy.
>> No report um at committee of the whole
[9:54] mayor but I will bring forward our
information items.
[9:58] » Um so our first item that we'll be
discussing this evening is policy A0014.
[10:06] So, we've done several times where we've
reviewed things and brought them into
[10:11] line with Towns and Local Service
District Act opposed to what we used to
[10:17] have in place for the
>> I hears music or something.
[10:23] » And it stopped.
>> Yeah.
[10:25] » I don't hear anything.
>> Okay.
[10:27] » Municipalities Act of uh New uh
Newfoundland and Labrador 1999. So this
[10:34] one is specific to committee of the
whole meetings and reports.
[10:40] Policy statement says that on the second
Tuesday of each month a public committee
[10:44] of the whole meeting will take place.
Committee of the whole will include all
[10:47] counselors and management who are asked
to attend. The committee of the whole
[10:51] will allow all recommendations and
motions to be presented and provide an
[10:54] opportunity for counselors to seek or
find clarification prior to the monthly
[10:59] meeting. All committees struck by
council are required to meet and produce
[11:04] a report every month. All reports must
be presented at the regular monthly
[11:08] meeting. The executive assistant will
complete the committee of the whole
[11:12] package by Thursday preceding the
meeting and publish it in escribe for
[11:16] council to access and review. The
committee of the whole package will
[11:20] include recommendations and motions with
briefing notes supporting documentation
[11:24] received before the deadline of noon on
Wednesday preceding the committee of the
[11:28] whole meeting. It is the responsibility
of the counselors to review the
[11:33] committee of the whole package and to be
familiar with all information contained
[11:36] within. And it is in if in reviewing the
committee of the whole package questions
[11:41] arise concerning specific items, it is
strongly suggested that counselors
[11:45] contact the applicable chairperson for
clarification prior to the public
[11:49] meeting. The chairperson will request
clarifying information by contacting the
[11:54] CEO at least 24 hours in advance of the
scheduled meeting time. So um because
[12:01] prior to the TL SDA
we didn't really meet as a committee of
[12:09] the whole so this is Naen is this I'm
sorry CEO is this a brand new policy or
[12:16] it's just a revised
>> this is replacing our
[12:21] committee policy correct okay so anybody
have any questions concerns feedback
[12:27] back. Pretty straightforward.
>> We're looking for feedback.
[12:32] » We're looking for feedback.
>> I think it's just straightforward. I
[12:36] mean, there's nothing in that that
really stands out unless you
[12:40] » you think of anything that What exactly
are you looking for feedback on?
[12:43] » I have feedback. [laughter]
What I'm wondering is um so what we have
[12:50] done because we don't have separate
meetings. There was a point in time
[12:54] where I was somebody would be the chair
of the CPD committee. Somebody else
[12:59] would be the chair of the now rather
than a chair because you're not actually
[13:03] chairing a meeting. It's like the
finance lead, the you know recreation
[13:09] lead. Um in previous council what we did
was we rotated the leads so that
[13:14] everybody had the opportunity to learn
thoroughly about each department. We're
[13:19] coming up on our first year and I'm just
wondering will we be doing a rotation.
[13:24] Um I don't know if that has to be
included in the statement. Um if it
[13:29] would say something to the effect of you
know with each counselor being exposed
[13:34] to all departments or at every
opportunity. Um so I'm just wondering
[13:40] what everybody else feels about that.
There was a discussion about having uh
[13:45] separate maybe two or three committee
meetings per month and I think that's
[13:50] we're still trying to uh
see how we're going to move forward on
[13:55] that. Right.
>> Yeah.
[13:56] » Yeah.
>> I I think council will have to have a
[13:58] discussion and decide what they want to
do with respect to committees or
[14:02] committee leads. Um and Deputy Mayor
Wright uh we had some formal
[14:08] discussions, informal discussions I
should say on that and um without having
[14:13] to call a public meeting um because all
meetings are supposed to be public uh
[14:19] meetings that are related to HR and
finance issues uh can be held as uh as
[14:25] closed meetings and uh that's something
that we're looking to do uh you know
[14:32] after this month after after we have the
first year in now everybody's got their
[14:36] feet wet and uh we should know the rules
and procedures right now if not maybe a
[14:40] refresher might be required but uh as
for committee to hold I think it's
[14:45] working okay but we need to have that
extra engagement when it comes to
[14:48] certain issues that are very sensitive
or especially we're getting into
[14:51] collective bargaining again this year
and we're going to have budgeting coming
[14:54] up so those are discussions we're not
going to have in public so we'll have to
[14:58] have those meetings in in close session
so U after this month's meeting, we'll
[15:05] we'll convene to try and develop kind of
schedule where we can all uh work get
[15:10] more information during those during
those meetings.
[15:13] So, anything else?
>> Okay, next one.
[15:18] » So, my next one is in regards to and I
because I did them out of order is um
[15:25] the
[15:28] just based the regular council meetings.
So our policy statement says all council
[15:34] meetings must be held in accordance with
the rules and regulations as specified
[15:37] under the towns and local service
district act. The town council will hold
[15:41] one regular meeting monthly meeting per
annual resolution as per section 39
[15:48] uh subsection 3. The town council can
hold special meetings on any date during
[15:53] the month. The special meeting will not
replace the regular scheduled public
[15:58] council meeting. Special meetings must
be advertised at least 24 hours in
[16:02] advance to the public and shall be open
to the public. All counselors, the CEO
[16:08] or designate will attend as well as
management who are asked to attend. So
[16:14] that's with our regular monthly
meetings. And again, anybody have any
[16:18] feedback or anything that they think
needs to be added suggested?
[16:24] » Straightforward.
>> Okay. So again, just basic housekeeping
[16:29] on some of this.
And then my third item up for discussion
[16:36] and not the motivation for me thinking
that we should shift committees,
[16:41] [laughter]
but this month um we will once again and
[16:47] it's important to um make sure that the
public is aware that when we do a bunch
[16:54] of uncollectible accounts receivable
write offs, it's always done through the
[17:01] viewpoint of making sure that we have
accurate bookkeeping. So, I cannot
[17:07] stress enough when we say that um making
writing something off or making it
[17:15] listed as uncollectible,
what that does is it gives us an
[17:19] accurate
um financial figure to work with, but it
[17:24] doesn't mean that something will never
be collected. If the opportunity arises
[17:31] to collect, we will still collect. So,
what we have is a couple of options in
[17:36] front of us. We can approve the write
offs. Um, this time I have, I believe
[17:41] it's 24
and they're varying from principal and
[17:46] interest. Um,
I think it's all principal and interest.
[17:51] I don't know if there were any
other. Um, but if we approve the write-
[17:57] off, what that will do is it will ensure
that the town's financial statements
[18:02] accurately reflect our collectible
balances. If we choose not to approve
[18:08] this, um it would result in retaining
amounts on record that have been
[18:12] verified as uncollectible,
which is, you know, uh not painting a
[18:18] clear picture and it would conflict with
our intent on our policy of F-0024.
[18:24] We're also about to begin a relationship
with a new or we have recently begun a
[18:29] relationship with a new um accounting
service and we want to make sure that
[18:37] their information that we're providing
to them is as accurate as possible. So
[18:43] everybody good with bringing them
forward for uncollectible?
[18:47] » Y
>> and if that's good with everybody then
[18:51] that's it for me. This
>> all right. Thank you counselor. Um,
[18:54] moving to community planning and
development and councelor Dyson, please.
[19:00] » Thank you, Mayor. Um,
we've got
[19:06] 11
>> items to discuss. The uh first two was
[19:12] uh amendments to the um town plan. These
were discussed
[19:19] um approved the last time around.
amendment number six and an amendment
[19:23] number eight. Now, I did talk to Mr.
Dylan earlier and I thought he was going
[19:29] to be here to um to give an outline on
that, but those were already approved.
[19:35] Um
and I don't have any any details on
[19:40] either of those,
but they were already approved. He just
[19:43] said that they were the ones
>> you just had to have a motion to
[19:46] council.
>> We will have there will be a motion at
[19:48] the at the public meeting to approve
those.
[19:51] » Okay.
>> Um we have uh Crownlands application.
[19:56] I have to go back and forth because the
list I have here is mixed up with this
[20:01] with the list in the package. So the
first one was the Crownlands application
[20:08] uh for uh to object to
uh
[20:14] area of 26262
Hamilton River Road was requested. uh
[20:20] the land is zone town center development
center development scheme area and the
[20:22] scheme area and the proposed use in the
proposed use in the application is not
[20:25] application is not permitted or
permitted or discretionary with the um
[20:28] discretionary with the um town center
town center development scheme area and
[20:33] development scheme area and that was an
that was an application for
[20:35] application for
[20:39] three for a hotel and that's down
three for a hotel and that's down
[20:44] around the bottom of the hill and it's
around the bottom of the hill and it's
[20:47] not zoned for uh the land is zone town
[20:47] not zoned for that
>> you familiar with that area?
[20:52] » Google maps shows it as being almost
directly across from the tree nursery.
[20:57] » Yes.
>> So yeah, on that side of the road
[21:00] » that came up before for the same reason.
>> Yep. So So the recommendation is to
[21:05] object to that because it's not a
permitted use. That was that's
[21:09] Crownlands application 165823.
Uh
[21:15] let's see.
Crownlands application 165841
[21:23] is
[21:26] um so the town is requesting that there
is no objection to the Crownlands
[21:32] application located at 268 Hamilton
River Road. Um, that application is for
[21:39] a garage
and that meets the permitted use. So, I
[21:44] got a question on that one. I know in
previous years there was an application
[21:48] for crown lands for that piece of land
and at the time um there was a request
[21:55] for I believe 90 meter frontage and the
town uh agreed to allow or to not object
[22:03] to a 60 meter frontage because there was
ever access to the town center that that
[22:09] would have been ideal place for a road.
There was 30 meter access there whether
[22:13] the town applied for that or not. I'm
just curious as to the property owner on
[22:18] the other side and uh that had applied
for 90 frontage
[22:25] and were I think uh got 60 because the
town was looking at an access road that
[22:32] would go into the town center area.
something that we should probably check
[22:37] out before we make a decision on that.
CEO,
[22:40] » what was
>> I remember that one.
[22:42] » What was the What was the prior one
applied for? Was it for a garage?
[22:46] » It was just for crown land application.
That's all it was. There was no use
[22:50] because the land application use comes
after.
[22:52] » Yeah, that's right.
>> So, you know, whether they put a garage
[22:55] there or not, garage would be refer to
the hair salon. I mean, so whatever he
[22:59] put there is irrelevant really complies.
But do you recall that?
[23:03] » I remember applicant's name. So,
>> yeah. Yeah, I remember the applicant's
[23:07] name as well.
>> And there was about a road going in.
[23:10] » There was about a road going in. You
remember that?
[23:12] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[23:13] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. In between those two pieces.
[23:15] » Exactly. Yeah.
>> That's that 30 m front page that he
[23:18] wants.
>> So,
[23:22] » all right.
>> Okay. The next one is Well, this one
[23:26] wasn't actually this one came in late.
So the next one is um
[23:34] a discretionary land use at 19 just and
it's for a forplex uh residential
[23:41] multi-unit unit is permitted in that
zone. Um so there are no issues with
[23:46] that one. So that one will come forward
at the public meeting.
[23:49] » Just a comment I'd like to make on that
as well. When you look at the aerial
[23:53] maps of those areas, I think that we
should look at as a condition of
[23:58] ensuring that landscaping is involved in
in those disc because you look at the
[24:02] aerial aerial photograph, it's all sand.
>> So, if we're going to going to approve
[24:07] discretionary land use applications,
then the condition in my view
[24:11] » should also include a plan for
landscaping and timelines associated
[24:14] with that.
>> I thought it did.
[24:17] » I don't know about that subdivision.
They might have been under a different
[24:21] development agreement back.
>> I didn't read anything in
[24:24] » there's nothing in the notes.
>> There's nothing in the notes that says
[24:26] anything about landscaping, but it
doesn't mean that we can't put it there.
[24:30] » Could it be one of the conditions
>> conditions, right? So,
[24:33] » uh
>> just that should go for all of them.
[24:37] » Yeah. And that's why I thought it wasn't
our development regulations.
[24:39] » And if it's there, we should be
enforcing. There is something there
[24:42] around residential builds uh that they
have to beautify the land landscaping
[24:47] but it needs to be enforced.
>> Yeah.
[24:49] » Yes. Needs to be enforced.
>> Yeah.
[24:53] » Okay.
>> Uh 3.6 is a discretionary land use uh
[24:58] application as well. There that is
already a forplex housing unit and they
[25:05] are applying for a homebased business
for short-term rental. So I guess that's
[25:09] a Airbnb kind of a situation.
Um
[25:15] so that one that one meets it is of
course it's the the zoning is right. It
[25:20] is residential multi-unit
um for forplex housing.
[25:26] The next one is a discretionary land use
at um 15 Lethbridge
[25:34] and that is another forplex housing unit
that uh
[25:41] see and it's the same thing. Um the
staff has recommend that the town
[25:46] approve that discretionary land use for
the 15 Lethbridge for the forplex unit.
[25:51] And again, that is in a zone that is
specifically designed for mult designed
[25:56] for multiplex unit. So there that's that
one is all in order as well.
[26:02] » And we should include that condition on
landscape
[26:04] » and the condition on landscaping. And I
think I mean we need to we need to do
[26:09] something with that landscaping, but
we're going to have to enforce the rest
[26:14] of the area up there as well because we
can't expect a developer to put up a
[26:19] forplex unit now to start one now or two
in this case because it's the same
[26:24] applicant um for two different
applications building the same thing and
[26:29] we're making it that they have to
landscape it but everybody around them
[26:33] is
>> not doing landscaping. So, we're going
[26:36] to have to enforce those yards to be
destroyed with sand.
[26:38] » So, we're going to have to enforce that
as well.
[26:41] » Uh 3.8 is um the staff is recommending
that council approve a homebased
[26:48] business application and that's for a
children's entertainment business. Um
[26:54] and of course, that's all subject to the
town regulations as well. It meets all
[26:57] the criteria and that application is
owned, the property is owned by the
[27:02] applicant.
>> Sounds exciting. Sounds exciting. Lots
[27:06] of kids events.
>> Yeah.
[27:09] » And uh coincidentally, that operator has
been a regular setup in any of the local
[27:16] events over at the Kin Center and and so
they're obviously they're doing well.
[27:23] uh 3.9.
Um
[27:27] staff is also recommending that uh the
homebased business application be
[27:31] approved on on Sanders Street and that's
for a clothing alteration homebased
[27:38] business. So it's not a matter of a lot
of traffic. It's just basically and even
[27:43] in the application it says that
basically operating
[27:46] » I got somewhere else to get my clothes.
>> You got someone else? Yeah.
[27:49] » My pants.
>> Much needed.
[27:50] » Yeah. Okay, I got to hear him all.
[laughter]
[27:56] » You you kind of walked in, mayor. Sorry.
But [laughter] it is
[28:01] » uh 310 is a discretionary land use
application at 10 McKenzie Drive and
[28:08] that's to build a garden suite um on the
property and in the package it says that
[28:16] is it is a permitted use in that zone. I
had never heard that term until this
[28:21] application.
>> Yeah, me either.
[28:23] » I think it's in the current regulations
and we allowed that to happen in those
[28:27] zones. So, I'm not sure if it's
permitted under regulations. Why does it
[28:30] have to come to council?
>> Yeah, because that was that was put in
[28:33] the development regulations. The last
one we done.
[28:35] » Yeah.
>> To allow for garden or Yeah.
[28:40] » discretionary use in the mixed
>> Oh, mixed zone.
[28:44] » Yes.
>> Glad happy to see that one there. This
[28:48] is good. Um
the next one is a discretionary land use
[28:54] application as well and that's um uh
staff is recommending that be approved
[29:00] that homebased business be approved as
well and that is a speech therapy
[29:05] counseling uh homebased business. Um,
and I'm not familiar with with those
[29:11] people, but I am familiar with the fact
that there is a huge demand for speech
[29:15] therapy in this in in well in all of
Labrador really. So, it's great to see
[29:21] that that'll be one more option for uh
families to to go to because getting an
[29:27] appointment with a speech therapist in
this province is basically impossible.
[29:32] Uh the only question I have on that
there's no existing properties on that
[29:37] street.
>> Yeah, I I didn't understand that either.
[29:41] » The my understanding from reading that
is that they own that piece of land.
[29:46] They're building a house and they're
building
[29:50] within the house. One room is going to
be for speech therapy.
[29:55] » 25% of the house.
>> I think it's less than 25%. I think I
[29:59] think that's what it said. But That's
that's in that's the new area right up
[30:04] off of Oliver
>> and they own that land and they're
[30:08] building a house and building one of the
rooms in the house is going to be for
[30:12] speech therapy.
>> One of the houses is already started.
[30:14] » Okay.
>> You'll see it up there. But and that
[30:16] land is cleared on this property too.
That's going to be started like in the
[30:21] real near future.
>> And I think she's trying to get ahead of
[30:24] the permits and the zoning
>> which is good
[30:26] » so she can build a house that
>> the home design is based on whether or
[30:30] not has approval to
>> business. Yeah,
[30:34] » makes sense.
>> Um, and the only other one there is, uh,
[30:40] and we talked about this before as well.
Um, and this is the, uh, staff is
[30:47] recommending approval on a homebased
business uh, on Woodland Crescent. Uh,
[30:53] and that's, uh, to operate mental health
counseling. Um, and we talked about
[31:00] » Do you have something that the rest of
us don't have? We're all looking at you
[31:03] with a puzzled face.
>> I know. That's why I just said to Kathy,
[31:06] "Some is in here and not on here."
That's why I question that one.
[31:12] » Yeah, because it was sent out to
council.
[31:14] » That was sent to council.
>> Oh, yes. That's Yes. But not included in
[31:18] Eastcribe.
>> That was in our package. Just the greasy
[31:21] one.
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's the grease one. Yeah.
[31:23] » That's the grease one.
>> Yeah.
[31:28] What?
>> It's in
[31:30] » Woodland.
Yep. It's in the manager's report.
[31:34] » Yeah.
>> Oh, okay.
[31:36] » Yep. DD Boise
>> for mental health and counseling.
[31:40] » Yep. Yeah.
>> Yeah. But if that hasn't been submitted,
[31:43] that means it's not ready to go to
council yet.
[31:45] » Okay. So, it may be ready for the public
council meeting
[31:48] » perhaps. Yeah. But it wasn't it wasn't
sent through to be added to the package.
[31:53] » Okay. So if you look in escribe
>> because it was advertised it was
[31:57] advertised online as well.
>> Yeah.
[32:00] » So maybe maybe the deadline. Yeah. Maybe
the deadline times or something may have
[32:04] been an issue. So
>> yeah.
[32:06] » Okay.
>> But that's that's it.
[32:09] » Thank you. Hey protective services and
deputy mayor.
[32:13] » All right. We don't have any
recommendations, but um I just want to
[32:17] talk about the garter report just
briefly that we did receive a garter
[32:21] report for uh August 24th to 31st and
one recently. I'll talk about more about
[32:27] them in the uh public meeting, but it
was uh some good information in there
[32:31] and I'm glad to see them coming. Um I
want to talk about the bike trail. Uh
[32:37] there continues to be problems on the
bike trail. Public safety is a huge
[32:41] concern and some of our counselors were
recently on that trail as of yesterday
[32:47] and it's still being abused uh by ATVs
and uh vehicles and scooters and rocks
[32:55] flicking up, flicking at people. Uh that
that pavement is going to be ruined
[33:00] ruined ruined. We worked so hard for
years to get that upgraded and we got a
[33:04] beautiful trail there and I think we
[clears throat] need to start uh issuing
[33:08] some stiff fines. There's no reason uh
people should be on it. There's eight
[33:13] signs on that trail uh saying that no
ATVs or vehicles or whatever are
[33:20] permitted on the trail. So, uh there's
no reason there's no excuse for people
[33:25] to be abusing that trail. And uh oddly
enough, it's adults that are uh causing
[33:32] some of the problems on that trail who
should know better. Uh there's a lot of
[33:35] money, you know, hundreds of thousands
of dollars gone into that trail and we
[33:39] worked so hard to get it worse, too. And
I would like to uh keep it the way it is
[33:43] for many years to come. So, uh some
enforcement, uh is huge here. Stiff
[33:49] fines, you know, start fing.
You're not permitted on it. day off or
[33:55] you know and get the message out there
you know as much as we can. Um
[34:00] you know something we've been talking
about this for a year so we need to do
[34:04] something now. It's time for action for
us to uh
[34:06] » we need to follow through on the fines.
>> Yes. We need to step up because as of
[34:10] yesterday there's vehicles on that trail
and it's not built for vehicles. So if
[34:16] we want to preserve it and save that
trail for many years to come then we
[34:19] need to step up and do something. I'll
talk about that one a little bit more in
[34:23] the public uh meeting, but I just wanted
to bring that up today. Uh the school
[34:26] zone, we've uh the third lane on Millie
Mountain. We did uh bring that forward
[34:31] again. I don't know CEO, we talked to
Minister Bettton about this. If there's
[34:36] any update on that,
no. So, they wanted us to write a
[34:40] letter,
fill in the application.
[34:47] » I uh did email
Jerry Smith.
[34:51] who sent me an email a month ago and
said that there was no update yet, but
[34:55] they were still following up and asked
if there was any status updates and I
[34:59] never received a response back. So, we
should probably email Minister Pentton
[35:04] directly again
uh because we had that discussion with
[35:08] the minister.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We need to get some
[35:12] communications going between staff and
the minister's office to find a follow
[35:16] up from our meeting.
>> Yeah. because they even questioned
[35:20] » that it was town that it was the town's
responsibility, but it's the road is
[35:26] there because the school is there. Yeah.
>> So, it's the province's respons and we
[35:30] felt that an application wasn't
warranted because we felt the province
[35:33] should cover the total cost of that.
>> But, uh that's where we are.
[35:37] » But, I mean, it sounded like he
supported it. We just need to have some
[35:39] communication to to keep the lines going
and and move it forward.
[35:43] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[35:45] » Okay.
Um, [cough and clears throat]
[35:48] I wanted to talk about public safety. I
brought this up before, too. Is if we
[35:51] can get an update on uh alders and line
painting. I don't think there's any
[35:56] alders being cut that I can see anyway,
but they're they're everywhere. Uh,
[36:02] they're overgrown on all the corners.
It's hard to see. Lots of complaints out
[36:06] there. So, I don't know, CEO, if you can
get an update for a public meeting on
[36:10] that one to see what else to do.
>> Sure.
[36:13] » Okay. Line painting if that's any
alters. Um, and I just wanted to mention
[36:19] that our animal control officer is uh
hosting Halloween
[36:25] event again in later October. So stay
tuned for that. I'll have to probably
[36:30] have to secure date by the public
meeting and bring that forward. And
[36:34] that's it.
>> Thank you. All right.
[36:37] » You want to Yeah. I just want to go back
to what councelor deputy mayor was
[36:41] saying about the bike path. We've been
talking about talking about it and I
[36:47] just want to know what do we need to do
to put the process in place to initiate
[36:52] action. We can talk about it all we
want. We have talked about all we want.
[36:56] Now do we go to protective services
director of protective services and say
[37:00] okay we need to get our me out there. We
need something that that's we need to be
[37:05] doing something instead of just talking
about it and saying there's a problem
[37:09] because obviously we've said it here
several times like for over the last
[37:15] year telling everybody in the community
that and everybody's talking about it
[37:19] that this is what's happening. This is
what's happening. But nothing is being
[37:22] done about it. And obviously from the
people that are still doing it, they
[37:26] don't care. They they really don't care
whether or not they someone tells them
[37:31] to get off. And and I think again we got
to start impounding and we got to have
[37:37] stiff fonts. If not, it's not nothing is
going to change.
[37:41] » Yeah, totally agree.
>> The signs I mean nothing. We have eight
[37:46] signs and they're not
>> people are just going to ignoring them.
[37:48] They know the signs are there. I mean
they they can't miss them.
[37:51] » Yeah.
>> And uh they're probably trying to avoid
[37:54] trying to hit the signs when they're
going down on the their vehicles because
[37:57] I seen uh uh trucks and cars going down
that as well the weekend
[38:03] » and uh coming out and seen them going up
and I'm like you know I don't know where
[38:07] they're branching off to because I went
up the other end of town to try to catch
[38:10] them I wasn't going to chase them on the
trail but they never come through jumped
[38:13] off somewhere along the way but uh
something got to be done something got
[38:18] to be done and it needs to be priority
set on that one because we're going to
[38:21] have infrastructure that's tore up with
I don't know the total amount but there
[38:25] was a lot of money went into that. Well,
the pictures that I just received this
[38:28] evening had boulders on it from
motorbikes and things crossing and now
[38:33] » it's supposed to be an accessibility
trail and I can't see scooters going up
[38:37] and down that that path.
>> It's not safe.
[38:39] » It's not.
>> No.
[38:41] » Yeah. So,
we'll have it have a further discussion
[38:46] on that.
>> Needs a late day and have it come. um is
[38:52] probably just semantics and may have
zero impact, but
[38:59] I also think we have to stop calling it
a bike trail because I have had so many
[39:03] people say, "Well, of course bikes are
on there." So, councelor Winters just
[39:07] said on the bike trail, but then he said
it's an accessibility trail. And I
[39:11] really think we need to start putting it
out there that this is a a pedestrian
[39:17] and active use trail or a accessibility
trail. I know it's I know it's
[39:24] semantics. I know it's not going to Oh,
somebody's not going to go, "Oh
[39:27] it's not a bike. Sugar, it's not a bike
trail. [laughter]
[39:31] I'm not going to use it anymore." are.
Um, but I really think that the key word
[39:38] when councelor Winter said accessibility
is that what we really want to push home
[39:45] to people is you don't think you're
hurting anybody. You think that you're
[39:49] only, oh, you know, I'm just taking a
shortcut. I'm using the trail network.
[39:54] I'm not hurting anybody.
As soon as you prevent somebody with
[39:59] accessibility issues from accessing a
part of our community, you're hurting
[40:03] somebody. If somebody's sitting at home
and they're too afraid to take their
[40:08] walker or take their baby stroller or
take their, you know, mobility device
[40:14] out because they don't want to be run
over, you're hurting somebody. So, we
[40:20] really need to as well push that side of
it.
[40:24] It's not a bike trail and you are
hurting somebody.
[40:28] » Perfect. Any other comments? CEO?
>> Yeah, I just want to clarify something.
[40:34] It's not that nothing is being done.
We've done a lot with that trail. We've
[40:38] blocked off some access. We've put up
signage. We have more patrols up there
[40:42] than we've ever had before. We've had uh
tickets issued. We've had conversations.
[40:48] Our MO has had conversations with people
that are using the trail. And Like I
[40:53] said, it's not that nothing's being
done. It's that there are people
[40:57] continuously abusing it and there are
new people that are abusing. So you get
[41:02] caught once, you might stay off it, but
then somebody else comes on next day and
[41:05] also
>> Yeah, I think we got to communicate
[41:07] more.
>> There there's a lot of PSAs going out
[41:11] about this trail for the past month.
There's actually two went out today. Uh
[41:16] we're sending pictures out to show
people what is not permitted there.
[41:21] » Yeah, we got a bit of work to do. Okay.
Has there been any fines issued
[41:26] » or any
>> I don't know about fines. I know there
[41:29] have been tickets which is a little bit
different than fines because they
[41:33] there's a whole violation summary thing
that goes through the court.
[41:36] » What's the amount of the tickets? Is it
enough to deter people?
[41:40] » That I can't
>> like that's where the problem is to
[41:44] » Yeah. Yeah.
>> And it might deter that one but not the
[41:46] next one.
>> Yeah. But if we get, you know, stiff
[41:49] fines or tickets or whatever we're
given, the message will get around the
[41:53] community. If someone got a $500 fine,
the message will get around
[41:57] » or impound or vehicle, too.
>> Yeah.
[42:00] » And make it public.
>> And that has been done with some of the
[42:02] Afro vehicles.
>> Yeah. But hasn't been made public.
[42:05] » I mean, there's big trucks and SUVs and
cars going up and down that trail.
[42:10] » Yeah. Yeah. I I understand when like say
I understand what what the CEO was
[42:13] saying too and then there was no like
what I said was no means no means of uh
[42:19] not saying anything bad about Barry and
our M Barry I mean he's doing an amazing
[42:23] job but the thing is like we discussed
is we only have one
[42:26] » and maybe that's an issue that we we
need to to to revisit or that's test
[42:31] we're on to with it like our one am is
doing an amazing job it's just again
[42:36] he's only one man
>> well you know it goes back help from the
[42:39] » and it goes back too. Like you see when
the RCMP stops a speeder on the highway
[42:46] and then there's a picture.
>> Yeah.
[42:48] » You know, and they're they're posting a
picture of the vehicle and, you know,
[42:52] clocked at 157 and 80 kilometer zone and
the vehicle's been impounded or
[42:57] whatever. That's all on the RCMP
>> site. You can actually see them doing
[43:04] it. So, and I remember back um with the
council from 2017. Um, when we had
[43:12] Constable Baker, he had confiscated some
dirt bikes or four-wheelers or whatever.
[43:21] » And I mean, there was we made some
progress with that. And, you know, we
[43:26] were if we start doing that,
>> you know, they got the they got the
[43:31] speed camera there. The town, the
province got the speed camera down there
[43:35] in front of the Gaudy building and more
work on on councelor Winter's shoulders
[43:41] at the post office handing out handing
out what people think is a parcel card
[43:48] only to find out that it's a speeding
ticket. Um, you know, somebody's going
[43:53] in and saying, "Somebody sent me a
parcel." And the guy behind the counter
[43:57] is saying, "You're not going to be happy
about this parcel because it's a
[44:00] speeding ticket." You must be very
popular, are you?
[44:03] » We know what's coming.
>> But I mean, the thing is it's those
[44:07] things those things are making a
difference. I would imagine that people
[44:10] are slowing down in front of the Gaudy
building now. I know I am. Well, since
[44:15] my sister got a ticket, [laughter]
[44:19] first ticket in her life. But, uh, I
mean, the thing is, if you got to shame
[44:25] somebody out for what they're doing, for
the fact that they're on the
[44:29] four-wheelers on the accessibility trail
or they're in a vehicle on the
[44:33] accessibility trail, if it takes uh an
enforcement officer to do that, and we
[44:38] post it on the town website and we're
collecting money because of it,
[44:44] » you know, $480 for your very first
speeding ticket is a lot of money.
[44:49] The other option might be something that
we could look at as cameras in that
[44:53] area.
>> Yeah, I think we're going to have to
[44:55] have a full discussion on enforcement
overall and in in timeline for budgeting
[45:01] because we're going to have to make some
decisions come the fall.
[45:04] » T
>> the uh the bike trail cameras are on the
[45:08] way.
>> Oh, good.
[45:08] » Oh, yeah.
>> They've been ordered. They're on the
[45:11] way.
>> I I've had some suggestions that we
[45:13] should probably have a drone that can
man look at the whole trail. So, there's
[45:17] people talking about it and wait
>> 24hour surveillance.
[45:20] » I know.
>> Yeah, we'll hire Sam Broomfield. He got
[45:23] a drone. He's all over the place with
his one checking on his chickens and
[45:27] » happy Oz. [laughter]
>> All right, let's
[45:31] » I got one more thing. Um
>> is what's what's I know we talked about
[45:37] this last winter with the Lawrence
O'Brien Center roof with the leaks. Is
[45:43] that under protected
>> service? That's our next department.
[45:47] that follow your municipal.
>> You got something on that?
[45:51] » I don't have anything on it.
>> Okay. So, we'll move on to the next
[45:53] report and
>> y
[45:55] » you're finished right deputy mayor.
>> Oh, yeah.
[45:57] » So, for mun municipal services, there's
going to be an application for upgrades
[46:02] and expansion to the existing uh depo
under the municipal capital works
[46:06] program that you can look forward to in
the regular council meeting.
[46:11] » Okay. So, we look forward to getting
information on that details.
[46:15] So this is something like the current
depot lease expires in three years.
[46:19] Correct CEO? So it's uh I guess it's
timely that we start looking ahead
[46:23] beyond three years and uh great to see
this application go forward or well be
[46:29] in the works of going forward and
hopefully we'll have it ready for the
[46:32] next public council meeting.
>> Great.
[46:34] » Is the CAO is there any update on the
bus parts the charger the bus parts?
[46:41] The parts are on order.
>> Okay.
[46:46] » Okay. I thought that they were here or
>> they were the wrong parts.
[46:50] » The wrong parts.
>> The wrong parts brought.
[46:53] » So, the correct parts are on order.
>> I got deja vu from the arena with the
[46:59] electrical parts that was sent the wrong
parts three times in a row.
[47:03] » Yeah.
>> Okay. Anything else? Anything else?
[47:09] No, I have nothing else but can we
should discuss the uh the Lawrence
[47:13] O'Brien center and the nothing to report
there.
[47:19] » Sorry,
>> yeah.
[47:22] So, it's not something to discuss at a
open meeting.
[47:26] » Okay.
>> Okay. All right.
[47:30] » Okay. Who's next? Councelor Winters.
>> Yeah, my my report is pretty
[47:35] straightforward. It was sent two weeks
ago, but I'll give uh I'll present that
[47:39] at our monthly meeting. But between now
and then, there's one uh there's two
[47:44] things happening. There's uh ice plant
maintenance is going on in the next week
[47:48] or so. And also September 26, which is a
couple days before our meeting, I
[47:53] believe, is Happy Valley Day. So,
everyone can get out and enjoy the
[47:59] anniversary of founding of Happy Valley.
I think the CSR department are still
[48:04] looking for vendors and musicians.
[snorts] So, you uh are one uh please
[48:10] reach out to our CSR department.
Perfect for me.
[48:16] Hey CL, you got anything you want to
bring this month?
[48:23] » Nothing. Oh wow,
>> there's a lot going on.
[48:27] » That's good.
>> Okay, great.
[48:29] » I suppose
>> so uh if there's nothing else then uh
[48:31] I'll call for an adjournment.
>> So moved by deputy mayor, second by
[48:36] councelor
Rumble meeting adjourned. Thank you.
[48:42] All right.