[0:00] We're going to call February 6, 2020, regular meeting, public hearing, to order. Please turn off all cell phones and

[0:19] pageers or silence your announcements. We're going to start with the pledge of allegiance and then a call for prayer.

[0:29] We're going to ask you to be with us tonight, give us wisdom, give us guidance and direction, and your presence always. We love you, Christian, Jesus name. Amen.

[0:59] I'd like to call the meeting to order and then ask for a motion for the approval of the agenda.

[1:07] I'd like a motion.

[1:09] I'll second it.

[1:11] And a vote all in favor.

[1:16] Aye.

[1:17] Anybody opposed?

[1:22] For students and provisions of the Hardy County Unified Land Development Code, be advised that the public

[1:31] noted that this public hearing was advertised in a herald advocate on 1, 16, 2020.

[1:37] Affidated to publication is on file.

[1:40] courtesy letters were timely mailed from the planning development department to properties within a 300 foot radius of a subject parcel.

[1:47] I'm going to ask for approval of the minutes of the January 2, 2020 regular meeting in public hearing.

[2:03] I mean a motion.

[2:05] Motion to accept.

[2:07] And a second.

[2:10] And a vote please. All in favor.

[2:14] Aye.

[2:15] Any opposed?

[2:16] Any Hardy County Planning and Assembly Board Member received any all or written communication regarding the land use.

[2:32] I don't to be discussed.

[2:34] If so, please disclose substance of the communication and identify the person making the communication.

[2:41] Let the record show that.

[2:49] Ladies and gentlemen, this is a quasi-judicial proceeding.

[2:53] Any decision of the board must be supported by substantial and competent evidence.

[2:58] In rendering this decision, the board shall rely solely upon testimony, which is relevant and material.

[3:04] Any testimony given in the form of an opinion will not be relied upon unless given by qualified witness.

[3:10] You shall have the right to your testimony and to present evidence and witnesses.

[3:15] The applicant, the board and any interested persons shall be given an opportunity to ask questions of any witness.

[3:22] Any persons who wish to testify shall be administered in O to swear or firm to tell the truth.

[3:28] At this time, if there's anyone who wishes to speak before the board, please rise for the administration of the oath and raise your right hand.

[3:39] Do you solemnly affirm that the information that you should give, shall be the truth, the truth, and that the truth.

[3:47] May be seated.

[3:54] A gender number nine one, reference to his finding and zoning application 20-08, special exemption for Karen Scott and G.

[4:05] Jandro, and rest.

[4:07] The purpose of this public hearing is to hear the request receive public input and offer a decision.

[4:14] Thank you, Madam Chair.

[4:17] As you referenced, this is our application that was 20-08, and it's coming from this Karen Scott.

[4:25] Ms. Andy Jandro, led requesting a special access to the accounts that don't be sent to the structure.

[4:31] So, essentially, it's well that we get to an agricultural future language.

[4:35] And we exit into the name of the zoning district.

[4:38] Properties 20-08 acres and size.

[4:40] And it is located on the east side of the wood carrot.

[4:43] South of Jack Jones Road at 10-94 in the wood cap road.

[4:47] The property and all surrounding properties are all known as a one agricultural.

[4:52] As a little background in history, there's an existing dwelling unit on the property that

[5:07] prior to the agricultural in 2004.

[5:10] Sure, Harley has been the sole dwelling unit on property.

[5:15] After that structure, suffered damage during her agricultural.

[5:20] The previous owner, not the applicant, committed and running and constructed a replacement infrastructure home.

[5:31] And the idea at that time was that they were going to remove the existing one as our code.

[5:36] That does not allow too many units on the same portion.

[5:40] However, at some points in time, at the installation of the new local home, completed the previous owner decided that they could salvage portions of that damaged manufacturing home.

[5:54] And they went ahead and did that.

[5:56] It sounds that it's utilized as a second smaller dwelling unit without unfortunately permits.

[6:03] When the applicants came and purchased this property, it was just under the assumption that this was a two dwelling unit properties.

[6:14] The applicants came to us and asked about this about the code requirements from the one we were informed her of the unpermated structures as well as

[6:25] this structure being a second dwelling unit on the parcel.

[6:30] They asked about any potential means in which they could keep that for a second dwelling unit after it had been there in 2006 and a year from that.

[6:41] And that was their assumption staff directed them to release and hopefully consider the only option which would be to convert that,

[6:51] that structure into an accessory dwelling first action two point three of three of our new idea development codes.

[7:01] That's sexual code does require a special exception in concept development plan and that's why we have this application for us to write.

[7:09] The staff of the release, the section of the seventh or two special exceptions, as well as policy on one third two,

[7:17] where agricultural and future lives use properties.

[7:21] The final request is consistent with the requirements and the tensed preferences there for substantiate is recommended approval.

[7:28] So a couple of questions.

[7:38] Everything on the property is now up to code.

[7:54] I mean, once if this exception was made, everything would be like the wiring and the roofing.

[8:04] Perhaps you have to get back to that.

[8:10] And that's for formalities.

[8:13] You're going to be able to work.

[8:15] Hi, my name is Angie Gander.

[8:17] When I live at 1094, Boyd Howard Road.

[8:20] And again, for the record, my name is Donald Chanson with Chance Design Group.

[8:24] Heo Box A45, which you will for.

[8:27] The answer to your question is, we can't get to the next hurdle, which is the building department until this issue.

[8:38] We have that zoning determination and the special exception before we can get there.

[8:43] I'm not saying that it's 100%.

[8:46] It is occupiable, but we're going to have to go through the whole process and make sure that everything meets that, but we can't get even out of the date until this is taken care of.

[9:00] Okay, and without the special exception, we're in a situation where the accessory structure would be required to be torn down.

[9:07] Well, actually, we could add it or attach it to the existing.

[9:12] Well, as we make it all just one big unit, but that's why she asked for the two glowing.

[9:21] This accessory.

[9:23] And what exactly, what is the definition of a accessory dwelling?

[9:27] Is that just being there's two on the one piece of property?

[9:30] Specifically, your accessory dwelling units are, you know, think of your mother-in-law, sweet and stuff.

[9:36] They are smaller structures.

[9:38] On the same property as the primary structure, they intended to have a smaller living unit.

[9:47] When you deal with something like this, the septic and all of that, the dress for the two.

[9:54] And again, that'll be in the building process.

[9:57] Because they'll make us get a sign off from the health department that the septic tank is adequate for the whole structure.

[10:07] Okay, I don't have any other questions.

[10:12] Yeah.

[10:13] The pictures that we have, they don't do it just because it's, it's much better than I took a look.

[10:20] It's all, everything's really nice.

[10:22] Yes.

[10:23] It looks really good out there.

[10:25] Oh, yeah.

[10:26] Those are very old.

[10:27] But it is, it's put together well.

[10:30] And so I guess the only question I had before was the square footage, which I guess at this point wouldn't matter.

[10:42] It's not supposed to be excess.

[10:44] The accessory, what is not supposed to be over 40% of the primary.

[10:48] And it's, I think it's like 60%.

[10:52] So, but that.

[10:55] Well, some of that is misleading to a point because on the back side of the living is a, is a, is a story like a sword drawn.

[11:06] Oh, that, it's the whole length of the building and probably 10 feet wide.

[11:14] So, the actual dwelling itself is not what you see in the picture.

[11:21] The back side of it is storage.

[11:23] Okay.

[11:24] I'm trying to sort of let you know that the storage is incorporated in part of that square footage.

[11:31] Into the 20 by 24, that 20 by 26, I guess.

[11:36] Well, the original mobile home I'm assuming was a 14 by whatever.

[11:43] So, really, you got it like a 14 by 26.

[11:46] Okay.

[11:47] And the little front addition that is living was added to it.

[11:51] What was added on the back is like a garage storage type situation.

[11:57] Well, that would reduce it.

[11:58] So, the living area is like 14 by 20 by 20.

[12:02] And then that little piece on the front.

[12:04] Okay.

[12:05] That would, that would bring it closer to the, as far as living.

[12:08] Yes.

[12:09] It would be closer to the 50% or even 45.

[12:12] It'd be closer than the way over in the 60.

[12:15] So, the breeze way, I guess.

[12:22] It's, you're going to hopefully, I guess we'd be a breeze way between the two.

[12:27] Is that, you know, the pistol.

[12:29] Right now it is an open rear eye.

[12:32] But we haven't even really talked about whether we're going.

[12:35] Yes.

[12:36] Okay.

[12:38] If we did that, you'd be in a different bugging area.

[12:41] Yeah.

[12:42] I was just trying to keep it as sort of a, like, a unit.

[12:45] Question, I have is, how long is this is your homework?

[12:49] Yes.

[12:50] How long have you been?

[12:51] We actually arrived in Florida on the November 1st.

[12:56] Oh, it's the year's reach out to my ears.

[12:58] Yeah.

[12:59] She literally purchased it.

[13:00] How do we be closed as close sometimes in September?

[13:06] But we were in the process.

[13:08] We came here.

[13:10] I came here basically.

[13:11] My dad lives in Sarasota.

[13:13] He lived here for 30 years.

[13:15] I lived in California.

[13:17] I moved everything I have out here.

[13:20] But we came out here for vacation and ended up buying this place.

[13:25] We fell in love with this town.

[13:28] And so we were in the process of buying it.

[13:31] And everything was going to go through.

[13:34] We had to go all the way back home.

[13:36] Tax stuff, load trailers, and drive back here.

[13:40] So the whole process, we were, we just, we didn't know that it wasn't too well.

[13:48] Well, I'm old.

[13:49] But I was just saying, who did, did you buy directly from owner or to a realtor?

[13:53] There were realtor.

[13:54] Really?

[13:55] Yes, sir.

[13:57] You've got another opening door to go look at me.

[14:00] Are you there right now?

[14:02] Are you there right now?

[14:03] Are you there right now?

[14:04] The second thing is, the reason it's the whole neighborhood.

[14:07] But what I'm going to kind of tell you this, there is a law in me,

[14:11] a rule in these codes.

[14:14] If you would, a lot of these things like, for instance,

[14:18] if there's a shed in your house and it's been there in one of 10 years.

[14:23] Got any doubt?

[14:25] I don't believe me out.

[14:26] I'll go over there with you.

[14:29] But you don't fall under that category because this was supposed to have been removed

[14:37] under agreement.

[14:38] Well, once this mobile home went in, this was supposed to come out.

[14:42] So, you know, I understand when we stand there.

[14:45] But you know, we're on top of it.

[14:48] When we have it, multiple people get out of that mess.

[14:51] But, so in the way that's to know we have to do here.

[14:56] Yeah.

[14:57] I kind of stopped between a rock and a heart.

[15:00] But again, we all know that we're here during the hurricane, Charlie, it was chaos. And I think this is just one of those that sort of got in the free and mix and then it just sort of stuck in state.

[15:16] And honestly, someone's been living in there, I don't know who, but because there was, there was, it was quarter, it's a house.

[15:26] I mean, it's basically a house, nay we're renting out for years and years. And I have people telling me, oh, god, I know someone's so lived there, whatever.

[15:36] I still get their mail.

[15:38] But so she's trying to do the right thing. She went in to get a permit and then got basically rent into a bus, all know you can't do anything with this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[15:49] And they're right. Well, then where do you start? Well, here we are. I'm starting the process.

[15:54] Well, we're definitely going to take you to anything else that permits because that's between you and permit office or after this.

[16:01] Have you ever been to do this? The electrical stuff hasn't been long.

[16:05] So are you trying to expand your square footage or are you thinking of a secondary home?

[16:14] Secondary.

[16:15] So you would rent that unit?

[16:17] Yes.

[16:18] That's the intent.

[16:19] Okay.

[16:20] I don't know where my hand goes.

[16:26] No.

[16:27] Can you leave me?

[16:29] I don't.

[16:34] Is everything else you'd like to have or anything you think we need to know?

[16:39] Well, if you don't think I'm going to say it's when I got to a phone call to go and look at it.

[16:44] It's in pretty decent shakers a few things.

[16:47] I know clipping as far as hurricane flips and stuff that I'll have to be done.

[16:51] But after seeing me before pictures and after pictures, there isn't that she's done a tremendous job on cleaning up what she's got.

[17:01] It seems like you're trying to, you have a situation you're trying to do with the right way.

[17:05] Right.

[17:06] Exactly.

[17:07] And basically we're on hold with the drawing until we know what exactly we're doing.

[17:13] If we're going to make it all one residence or if we're going to keep it to.

[17:16] And then we'll move forward through the permitting process based on on the zone.

[17:22] That is fair.

[17:23] I think just for the letter, I'd like to mention that although we didn't send out our notification letter,

[17:30] we have to see if we can come as for many of the neighbors.

[17:36] Thank you.

[17:38] Okay.

[17:39] So at this time, I'm going to request a motion.

[17:43] I'm sorry.

[17:44] I'm sorry.

[17:45] I'm going to get up the call.

[17:46] Are you asking if they had any more comments?

[17:49] Well, is there any other public input for anybody who's out in the audience?

[17:54] Okay.

[17:55] Okay.

[17:56] Okay.

[17:57] Okay.

[17:58] Now I'll ask for a motion.

[18:00] I'll make a motion.

[18:03] Based on the testimony presented, and I have an S or C, I'll make a motion to recommend approval

[18:08] to the Board of County Commissioners of SE208, a request for a special exception.

[18:14] Reception, to convert any existing 20-foot by 26-foot manufacturer home into an access

[18:21] to reach well a year.

[18:22] To the 36-foot by 22-foot concurrently listed a storage on a 2.5-acre agricultural A1 zone parcel

[18:31] in the agricultural future land use category.

[18:34] The parcel is located on 1094 with Howard Road.

[18:38] There's no second death.

[18:45] And Paul and Babe are from time?

[18:48] All right.

[18:49] And I opposed?

[18:50] Nate.

[18:52] Come in, Nate.

[19:02] Thank you.

[19:03] So the motion passes to the BOCC?

[19:06] Yes, mate.

[19:09] The next regular meeting.

[19:11] And I'm sorry.

[19:12] The next regular meeting in public hearing.

[19:15] That's going to be you, see?

[19:16] The date down there?

[19:17] No.

[19:18] No.

[19:19] No.

[19:20] So the year is to see the meeting will be held on the 22-foot agricultural A1 zone parcel.

[19:24] I'm sorry.

[19:25] Which?

[19:26] It's going to be one year.

[19:28] What's it?

[19:29] It's going to be one year.

[19:31] It's going to be one year.

[19:32] It's going to be one year.

[19:34] It's going to be one year.

[19:36] It's 28 to 35 in the morning.

[19:38] Yeah.

[19:39] OK.

[19:40] Alright.

[19:41] Here, it wasn't this time on the out.

[19:50] Thank you very much.

[19:51] Thank you.

[19:52] Thank you, sir.

[19:54] Thank you.

[19:55] Hello.

[19:57] What are we going to do?

[19:59] We're going to have a workshop tonight?

[20:04] tonight?

[20:05] Yes.

[20:06] I'll address the board for the next 10 minutes.

[20:08] Yes.

[20:09] I'm going to be 20 to 8.

[20:11] That's right.

[20:12] As a government issue, I have a lot of weather tonight.

[20:17] We're going to have a report from the police and procedures.

[20:20] I do have a here I could give it to the police.

[20:23] It's only better, but you know, it's a...

[20:27] If it's the board, I'd like to understand.

[20:30] We're going to have a report from the police.

[20:32] We're going to go home and get some rest.

[20:35] Yeah.

[20:36] Yeah.

[20:37] And we can come back and do that.

[20:40] At the current time, we do not yet have anything on the table again.

[20:44] Or as a reference, we've got to start.

[20:46] There's nothing on March.

[20:47] So if you want to keep March free, we can plan to have a table or a similar.

[20:53] We don't get a lot of applications.

[20:56] It's too busy.

[20:57] So anything else we need to discuss before we return?

[21:00] I don't know.

[21:01] Oh, sure.

[21:02] Our next regular meeting, public hearing.

[21:04] We'll be Thursday, March 5th at 6 p.m.

[21:07] I need a motion to adjourn.

[21:09] I'll make a motion.

[21:10] All right.

[21:11] All right.

[21:12] All right.

[21:13] All right.

[21:14] All right.

[21:15] All right.

[21:16] All right.

[21:17] All right.

[21:18] All right.

[21:19] All right.

[21:20] All right.

[21:21] All right.

[21:22] All right.

[21:23] All right.

[21:24] All right.

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