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everybody ready to the regular select

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board meeting of September 17th. Um

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first

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>> morning in progress.

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>> Do you want me to resay that?

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>> No. Okay.

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>> Um first is [clears throat] to set and

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adjust the agenda.

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We have we want to add uh we wanted

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right we want to add that item.

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>> Um we talked about adding a

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um uh potential

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for Ken Leslie to be filling a remainder

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of a library trustee term.

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Is there any other way?

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>> Oh yeah.

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>> I would just say appointment of the

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vacant library trustee seat.

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>> Great.

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Anything else you want to add?

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Want to take away? No.

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Okay.

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>> Motion.

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>> So moved.

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>> Second.

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>> Any discussion about that adjustment to

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the agenda?

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All those in favor, please say I.

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Opposed. Extensions. [laughter]

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>> Uh, great.

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>> That is now on the agenda. Next we have

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um communication [clears throat] from

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the audience. Is anyone here for

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something that is not on the agenda?

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Great. Welcome. Talk to you later.

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>> I would I would actually suggest moving

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Ken's appointment to the beginning of

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the meeting. So he doesn't have to sit

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here for the whole meeting.

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>> Oh, that is nice.

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>> Miss all the fun.

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>> Unless you want to stay here for the

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whole meeting.

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>> Very happy.

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>> Yeah.

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we have to make a motion to do that or

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something.

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>> Can we just move him to the

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>> Should we make that item one?

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>> Or item half item.

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>> Okay.

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» Great. Next, we have select board to

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approve the minutes of the regular

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select board meeting of September 3rd.

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>> So moved.

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>> Second.

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>> Any discussion?

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They looked great.

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>> Okay. All those in favor, please say I.

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>> I opposed abstensions. Great. Thank you

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for writing those. All right. Now, we

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have the Hardock Police Department

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report given by Mike Henry.

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>> All right. Got moved up. Um,

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so as far as personnel, we lost Joe

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Donna. Uh, he's one of our full-time

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slots. Uh, but he is going to try and

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stay on part-time. Uh, he was looking

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for something that's uh Monday through

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Friday day shift. So, he's going to be

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working for the Calonia Sheriff's

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Department Monday through Friday. Um, we

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had uh uh this week's been kind of busy.

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had to go back and uh re certify for his

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firearm, so he's got that done. So, he's

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good for another two years as an

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instructor. Um, [clears throat]

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and then Steve Mitchell has been

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testifying in federal court this week

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quite a bit. pretty big case. So, um

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that's going pretty well.

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now, well, the school Ariana's up doing

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the uh the school, elementary school,

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the open house tonight, so that's going

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>> Does that get rowdy?

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>> It does. Yeah. No, we just have a table

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set up there with just Oh, cool.

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>> all the PD stuff.

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>> Oh, nice.

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>> Uh there. So, the kids come there and

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they were all swarmed around the table

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when I left. So, um, as far as the radio

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goes, we're still working on getting our

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radio system in. We have two repeaters

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in, and we've been, uh, I think we've got, I hate to say

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this, but, I think we've got all the

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bugs worked out of that. So, the third

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repeater will go in uh, and then we'll

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have, uh, more coverage up in East

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Harbor area uh, once that goes in. But,

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uh, seems to be finally working. It's

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been all summer that we've been trying

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and get this radio system up and running

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uh with the new repeaters. So, we have a

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repeater on West Hill, one at uh the the

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police department itself, and then the

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third one's going to be going into the

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Greensboro Fire Department. So, that'll

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give us good coverage up there up in the

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[clears throat and cough]

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biggest complaint we're getting right

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now is uh dealing with the traffic

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lights and people running the traffic

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lights. that's been uh so we got the

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guys down there uh during the uh mainly

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the commuter hours but uh trying to uh

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tackle that problem because there's

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what's happening is you know five 10

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vehicles will go through after the

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lights turn red or we even have people

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stopping at the stop light and other

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people passing that person going through

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and then when it turns green on the

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other side those folks can't go. So

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we'll try and get that uh down to a

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minimum. Other than that everything else

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lights out of the way.

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problem. People aren't going to they're

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>> stop. We have to re retrain.

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>> Retrain everybody.

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>> Mike with Joe not with us anymore. Where

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does that leave us with staffing?

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position, but trying to keep him on

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part-time. We're going to see how this

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works. uh with, you know, having two

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part-time people trying to cover that.

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shift. So, but uh we need to have two

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people on for safety reasons at night.

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Any other questions for Mike?

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>> Next, we have the Heart of Electric

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Department. Oh, Heart. Did I miss your

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report? I

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>> missed your report.

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>> Throw me off. [cough]

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>> Yeah, you are. [laughter]

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>> Okay. Next, we have going backwards, the

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town manager report given by David

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Epson.

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>> Okay. Um, so starting tomorrow, uh,

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there's going to be work happening at

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the post office and that's going to be,

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um, continuing through, I think, for the

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duration of the month, um, until that

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project is done. So, there's going to be

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a little bit of a, um, construction

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project going on there. Um, we're going

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to do some sidewalk work and the

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entrance is going to be changed to the

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post office. So, uh, stay tuned for

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that. Um it's not the town isn't doing

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the work, but we're going to we're a

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partner to try to make sure that it goes

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smoothly. Um NVDA has fin finished their

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regional plan. They have two uh public

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meetings

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uh coming up, the second public meeting

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and the final public meeting that that

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happens on September 24th at 4 p.m. uh

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at the Gateway Center in Newport City.

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And then the final hearing is on October

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15th at Grarey's Landing in Newport. And

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really it's a regional plan and it

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really just like outlines what all the

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towns have to kind of live by and it's a

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good thing to know about. Um and if you

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feel strongly about something you can go

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and voice your um opinions there for the

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final the the two final hearings.

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Um the pedestrian bridge update. Uh

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they're working on getting the lighting

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uh posts in the lighting uh basis today.

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Running the conduit in there. Uh they're

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going to start forming up the concrete

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um or the granite curbing uh and then

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the concrete sidewalks. And then they'll

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be working on doing the pavers. Um

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that's all going to happen from now

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until they're finished. Um there's a

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plan to have a um

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like a community gathering that's been

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advertised for the 9th and the 10th of

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October. U CCS is going to work with us.

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far as they can on that um and then work

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with us to try to open parts of the the

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site um so we can have a soft opening

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for the bridge. So um we're everybody's

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excited. they want to push till the end

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of the project um so we can reopen the

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road and they can get out of there. Um

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moving forward we will have um essential

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the essential services project. We're

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going to have two public meetings. One

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of them is a is required. The first one

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they're bothformational meetings. Um the

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first one is going to be why we need the

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project to happen. The second one is

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going to be how we're going to pay for

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it. Um there's um and I'm hoping that

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we're going to have some good turnout

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and lots of good questions and good

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dialogue.

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>> You have the dates for us.

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>> What's that?

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>> Do you have the dates?

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>> Oh yeah, that's the October 8th and the

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22nd at 6 p.m.

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>> at the library.

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22. At 6 p.m.

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>> Yeah. [cough]

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and just the office has been working on

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audit items. Um we have a financial

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review coming up for some of the FEMA

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projects from DPS. Um so there's a lot

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going on officewise

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you know keeping things rolling

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in the RFP for the wastewater plant. Um

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I'm going to issue the first addendum to

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uh with questions from potential firms

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and um that closes next week. So for the

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next meeting we'll make that decision. I

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think I think it's for October 1st.

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[clears throat] So

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and I'll be submitting the grant for um

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the wastewater the RD grant for

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wastewater tomorrow if you guys are good

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with that.

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questions or comments.

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back on track. Next, we have the Hardock

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Electric Department report given by

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Renee De Gregorio.

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>> I'm here with her. I'm Scott Dunstone.

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So, we're going to do it together. Um,

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good to see you all again tonight. I

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want to start just by acknowledging that

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after 52, yeah, 52 years of service to

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Hardwick Electric, Brian Florent

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recently retired. Um, it's amazing. I

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don't think we're going to see the likes

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of a 52-year run again. So, uh, Jamie

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Dailyaly from Walden uh, was rehired

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back to Hardick Electric. He spent 14

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years here as a lineman um, a while ago.

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He's been with Washington Electric Co-op

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since [clears throat]

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operations manager. Just hopped into the

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role. spent a couple of weeks with Brian

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to kind of do the shakeddown, if you

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will, and now he's got responsible

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charge of that going on. So, um, our

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smart meter project will soon begin. Uh,

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pretty soon customers will be getting

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notices from us and a lot of information

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from us about what that means. There'll

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be a lot of questions with people of you

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know radio frequencies with with the

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smart meters and they have good

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comparatives for them with comparing it

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to baby monitors and cell phones and

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routers and things like that so people

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can get a sense of how much is it and

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how much isn't. Don't try and talk

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anybody into playing or not. Um there is

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an opportunity for people to opt out if

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they desire. They don't have to

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participate. You want to have access to

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your information. Um, and in the future

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there'll be initiatives that where you

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can better control your energy

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management, but that'll all be customer

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choice. Um, and I did want to make sure

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you know that we expect our audit will

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soon be complete. It got delayed because

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we had to do an add-on piece to the

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audit this year with a national group

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called Enrika where we get um some

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additional retirement, some additional

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of our benefits through and they

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required an add-on to the to the audit

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this year which slowed the process down

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but we expect that to be here soon. Last

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thing I want to update and I don't know

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if Rene will have others is you know for

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some time now it's been 14 months since

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we filed a rate case in 2025 at the

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state. Um we think we're fine in getting

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an answer. It's been clear for quite a

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while that was the answer was going to

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be about half what we filed for even

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though the state agreed um that 100% of

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what we filed for is actually what it

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took to run the department. At the time

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they were really annoyed with Hardware

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Electric. So we essentially committed to

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cut it in half and that's the way it

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will turn out. That's really why we had

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it recently filed again is to make up

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the difference and and for some

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additional things going on. So, so that

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will all get reconciled and uh the fact

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they cut it in half will then create a

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short-term very short-term cash

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challenge for us that Rene's been

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working really hard on. We have a plan

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in place. We'll be solvent. Life will be

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fine. Um our office will just be

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managing really squeaky type of cash for

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a while. So, we're miss

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>> I think you hit almost everything.

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You'll hear later on more about our cash

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solutions um and just kind of

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operational changes going forward. Um,

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as Scott mentioned, this is a short-term

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cash problem, but we do have long-term

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operation changes that we're going to

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take into consideration um, just to

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change how things have been working and

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um, particularly around cash management.

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So, but more to come for that

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» have any questions?

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>> Thank you.

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Okay, next we have item [clears throat]

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one, our new item one, which is

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appointment of a vacant library trustee

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seat uh until

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March 2027

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>> town meeting.

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and I believe we had somebody interested

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uh in filling this seat.

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>> I

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want to go. Yes, please.

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>> Okay. Um, yes. And Leslie been in

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Harvard since 1985

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and, um, uh, I was approached by people

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on the board and the librarian about

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letting me know that there's no seed. I

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had been involved with a couple of

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activities over there. I guess I

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noticed unfortunately. No, fortunately,

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it's a wonderful library. I'd love to be

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part of it. and uh there's a there's an

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empty seat on the board and so I put my

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name forward to uh fill that seat and

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then I understand that town meeting day

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uh will be the election for an actual

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term should I

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» I'll make a motion to appoint Ken Lesley

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to the uh library trustee committee

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>> board. Thank you. or as a library

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trustee.

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>> As a library trustee,

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>> however, we got to

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>> do we have to we have to specify for the

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remainder of the

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>> Sure. for the remainder of the term.

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>> Second.

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>> Any other discussion or questions?

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>> Thank you, Ken. All those in favor,

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please signify by saying I

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>> I opposed extensions.

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>> Thank you for volunteering. Okay,

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>> now you have to stay. You can't leave.

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>> You're more than welcome to stay. It's

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going to be a meaty meeting. All right.

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Next we have item two, select board to

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review the necess the necessity

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resolution and bond vote warning for the

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highway garage bond. So this is we

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discussed this at the last meeting. It's

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our first step in starting the process

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>> of a bond vote.

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>> Um do [clears throat] you or may I just

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want to recap what that process is as a

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reminder?

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>> Yep. So basically, I mean, this this

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resolution is basically stating why we

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need to do the project, why we need to

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borrow the money. Um, and if you guys

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agree to it, you know, and the and the

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community um agrees to it, it'll go to a

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vote. Um, and this is the first step in

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that. Um, after that, we have to hold um

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we have to advertise. That's what the

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warning is. we had to advertise in the

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paper um for several consecutive weeks.

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Um we hold a publicformational

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meeting. We're going to be holding two.

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We're we're required to hold one. Um

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we're going to talk about the funding.

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Uh the need for the project, kind

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[laughter] of the current state of the

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facilities. Um it's not just one

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facility. The project is not just one

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facility, but we're going to bond

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uh we're going to borrow for to build

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one facility cuz it's there's really no

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eligible grant source for town garages.

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Um so that's we're going to try to do it

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and see if we can bring the community

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along for the conversation and see how

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they feel about it.

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I can go into detail about the

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conditions of things, but um think I've

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done that, but I'm happy to talk about

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it for him. So, but this is just the

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necessary legal paperwork to move

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forward and hit the benchmarks.

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>> I have just one other process question

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because it's been a while since we've

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done a bond vote. Yep.

453
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>> This so in

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if this is passed tonight that amount in

455
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the resolution is not flexible or it is

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flexible up until we

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>> if this is what it's up to 6 million.

458
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So it can't be any more but it can be

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less.

460
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>> Right. But if we but if the voters

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decide like if we decide to do it

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tonight for for 6 million

463
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>> Yeah. We can't then after community

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process or more work say actually it's

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going to be a

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$5 million $800,000 project. We're we're

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basically tonight

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>> that's less than six. So that up to 6

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million.

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>> No no no I I understand but we can't

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we're basically that 6 million we're

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saying then that that is the that is

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potentially what we're going to bond

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for. Does that make sense? So we can't change the wording of that

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bond. So, we would then be going to bond

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for 6 million.

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>> I I if we don't need 6 million, we won't

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bond for 6 million.

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>> And when will we know that?

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If we do value engineering, if the price

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of diesel goes down and construction

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gets less expensive and the price of

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supplies go down, but this is the

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current cost estimate and the current

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price to do the building. So, I would

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love it if it the cost went down. We

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can't go any more than that. If I think

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if we were to correct me if I'm wrong,

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but if we were to borrow less, we

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wouldn't have to go through this process

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to borrow less. Correct.

492
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>> Right. I mean, it said that if my

493
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reading of it, it says subject to

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reduction by available grants and aid or

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other funding sources. So, we could

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>> we if we somebody gave us a million

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dollars and some

498
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>> we could put the bond in for 5 million.

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Yeah. when we actually get to it.

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>> But the wording on the vote,

501
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>> right? Is that what you're saying? The

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wording on the bond vote on November 3rd

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is what we're approving now.

504
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>> This is article one on the on the on

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this is like a this is what the ballot

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will say,

507
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>> right?

508
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>> Yeah.

509
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>> Does that make sense?

510
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>> Yeah. And part of the reason why I'm

511
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just curious is is just looking at the

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funding sources. I know that it's con a

513
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little bit conceptual because we don't

514
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have a final

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>> right

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>> design. It's a conceptual drawing of the

517
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estimates based on

518
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>> the the total project budget.

519
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>> The total project budget. So

520
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>> in the total project budget under public

521
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works for Williamson's funding sources,

522
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we have listed

523
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that public works is going to be 5,825.

524
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I understand that's close enough to 6

525
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million.

526
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>> Um

527
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but

528
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>> so anyway, I just want to I'm just

529
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trying to make sure that that's

530
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>> are we going to be covered by that? Is

531
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that what you're asking?

532
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>> Yeah,

533
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>> I believe so.

534
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>> What happens if it goes over 6 months?

535
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>> We have to find the money.

536
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>> Yeah. You Well, you mean like

537
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>> from somewhere else, right?

538
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>> Like they get halfway through it and

539
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>> by the way,

540
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>> I don't we wouldn't we would have

541
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risk measures in place to not have that

542
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happen. There's there's cont there's in

543
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the total project budget there's there's

544
00:21:10,159 --> 00:21:14,320
some um there's some buffer in there. We

545
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,480
can always make it be less. We can

546
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,880
always make the building smaller. We can

547
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,510
always value engineer.

548
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,159
But um

549
00:21:26,159 --> 00:21:28,400
we if we're if we're committed to the if

550
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,320
we're in construction, we're not going

551
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,280
to we're not going to go over what we

552
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,480
have available to pay for the building.

553
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,320
That's not That's my goal.

554
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:38,880
>> Hopefully.

555
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:39,200
>> Yeah.

556
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,200
>> And this amount um is this the kind of

557
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,640
the

558
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,400
>> um

559
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,600
the plan that that really best meets the

560
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,960
needs or is this the amount is this I

561
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,000
know I know we looked at a couple

562
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,640
different plans at a public meeting

563
00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,000
um where one was kind of what we felt

564
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,600
what people felt they really needed and

565
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,280
the other was a little bit less than

566
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,320
that. There there was something that the

567
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,840
hardwork rescue part was

568
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,799
>> um was

569
00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:15,360
made smaller, but then they added the

570
00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:16,720
third bay back on.

571
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,960
>> Okay. We removed a shop and more uh like

572
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,880
a wash bay and a shop and utilized the

573
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,679
cold storage building for cold storage

574
00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:30,720
where there there was another um the

575
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,400
first the first conceptual had a shop in

576
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:35,039
between

577
00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:35,360
>> Yeah.

578
00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:37,280
>> the cold storage and and that was all

579
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,240
heated.

580
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,360
>> Okay.

581
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:42,320
>> So the to there's two in that what

582
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,679
you're looking at right now there's two

583
00:22:43,679 --> 00:22:44,400
tabs.

584
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,919
>> Okay. There's the December value

585
00:22:45,919 --> 00:22:47,840
engineering tab and then the total

586
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,760
project budget profession.

587
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:50,080
>> Yeah.

588
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,280
>> So we have kind of done through the the

589
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,520
first phase of this we have kind of done

590
00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:01,760
that um that work in in the the plans

591
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,080
and those those both sets of plans are

592
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,200
in the

593
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,240
>> Okay.

594
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,440
>> The conceptual drawing.

595
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,600
>> Oh yeah. Okay.

596
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,200
Um, and this bleeds a little bit into

597
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,400
our later conversation about the um,

598
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,559
part of rescue squad because we're we're

599
00:23:20,559 --> 00:23:22,880
envisioning a complex with really three

600
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,640
different components that are getting

601
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,480
paid for in different ways.

602
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:26,960
>> Mhm.

603
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,559
>> Um, where does the cost of the site work

604
00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:32,880
for the whole complex come out of or is

605
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,679
that a part of this or is that split? we

606
00:23:35,679 --> 00:23:44,000
would we would share that with the three entities and some of that with

607
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,720
the fire station and there's still a big

608
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,559
question mark on how much FEMA is going

609
00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:50,400
to give us for the fire station. We've

610
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,480
provided FEMA with this cost estimate

611
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,200
for the fire station and we're hopeful

612
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,559
we're hoping that they're going to give

613
00:23:56,559 --> 00:24:02,310
us 90% of that.

614
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,480
So sort of

615
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,400
it's a little bit both for the answer to

616
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,919
that question. So like we're

617
00:24:07,919 --> 00:24:08,559
>> the site work.

618
00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:08,880
>> Yeah.

619
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,640
So this we're going to be

620
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,240
responsible for this some of the site

621
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,400
work. We're hoping that we push most of

622
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,799
the site work into the fact that we have

623
00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:18,559
to do this work to put the fire station

624
00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:19,600
there.

625
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,279
>> Okay.

626
00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:28,230
Got it.

627
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,159
» Questions?

628
00:24:30,159 --> 00:24:34,070
a general question

629
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,720
with you guys. Can you hear me?

630
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:37,760
>> Yeah. Can you just state your name? I

631
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,440
know I came.

632
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,000
>> Oh, yeah.

633
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,440
>> Just recovering from pneumonia. So,

634
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:42,559
>> it's okay. We can hear you. I just

635
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:43,840
didn't remember your name.

636
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,679
>> So, my my general question to the board

637
00:24:45,679 --> 00:24:48,240
is, do you guys think we can afford a $6

638
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:54,870
million?

639
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,559
» I'm not sure we can afford not to have

640
00:24:56,559 --> 00:25:00,080
it. if we want to plow our streets and

641
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,559
make new culverts and I don't know. I

642
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:05,279
mean, I'm not, you know, I saw those

643
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:07,600
rusty

644
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,200
things that hold up the roof and

645
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,799
>> eye beams,

646
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:13,600
>> I beams, and you know, I am not an

647
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,760
engineer or a constructiony guy, but

648
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,240
they didn't look very good to me.

649
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,240
>> So, I I don't know what the alternative

650
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,039
is.

651
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:23,440
>> We we've already started um putting

652
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,919
funds aside in order to prepare for

653
00:25:25,919 --> 00:25:30,159
that. Um, and you know, based on the,

654
00:25:30,159 --> 00:25:32,320
you know, the financial calculations, we

655
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,000
hope we can fit it into the budget under

656
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,600
a modest, uh, increase, rate increase.

657
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,080
Um, to echo Larry, I don't think that we

658
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,600
can afford not to do it. I think this

659
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,960
should have been done probably in the

660
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,840
'90s. Um, you know, I don't know the

661
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,919
exact date of when it was built, but I

662
00:25:47,919 --> 00:25:51,760
believe in the '60s '7s. And again, the

663
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,720
it's undersized for what we need. it's

664
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,320
uh the support structures are rotting

665
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,600
out and regardless if we don't do this

666
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:05,919
we need to um do effective measures to fix it to make it safe because it

667
00:26:05,919 --> 00:26:08,159
won't current it's not currently safe.

668
00:26:08,159 --> 00:26:10,400
Um so if we don't do this then we have

669
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:17,430
to do something to miticate mitigate the current condition of the building.

670
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,880
When Woodbury did their fire station,

671
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,480
they had a initial proposal

672
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,520
that very expensive and they ended up

673
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,760
building was a fraction of the cost of

674
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,240
what their proposal was. So I have no

675
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,440
idea what the what assumptions have been

676
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,159
made in the design of structure but my

677
00:26:38,159 --> 00:26:41,039
intuition two things. One is prices are

678
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:45,360
going to go up and two usually in

679
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:48,799
building design the questions you ask

680
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:50,640
have a big impact on what your costs

681
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,520
are. So I obviously wasn't part of the

682
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,159
process but my intuition is there's some

683
00:26:56,159 --> 00:26:59,039
meaningful savings if you ask certain

684
00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:01,919
questions you find able to save some

685
00:27:01,919 --> 00:27:04,559
meaningful money.

686
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:06,080
Can you give us an example of a

687
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,200
question? Like for example,

688
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,279
does the structure does the does the

689
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:14,000
truck need what does it need? Is a roof

690
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,559
enough?

691
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:19,360
Is a roof a lot cheaper than a roof of

692
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:22,240
four walls and a slab? You know,

693
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,720
>> is is the roof enough?

694
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,919
>> Meaning if you're if if for example, if

695
00:27:27,919 --> 00:27:29,440
you're trying to keep a truck for I'm

696
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,559
assuming you're trying to keep some

697
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:32,559
equipment out of the out of the weather.

698
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:34,640
>> Sure. That's one value of a truck. And

699
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,000
there are lots of different ways to

700
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,000
store equipment.

701
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,039
You know, you can some some towns have

702
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:43,840
these agricultural huts to to store

703
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,640
their town equipment. I'm not trying to,

704
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,120
you know, word for you. I'm just saying

705
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:50,320
a lot of times

706
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,159
>> how you go into a project, the

707
00:27:52,159 --> 00:27:54,080
assumptions you make.

708
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,159
>> Usually what happens is you you meet

709
00:27:56,159 --> 00:27:58,799
with your user and you say, "What do you

710
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:01,279
guys need?" Oh, we need this. We need

711
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:04,480
that. And no one's typically getting

712
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,279
carried away or usually your list is a

713
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:09,440
bit high and it comes back. Oh boy, we

714
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,840
didn't get this. You think about things

715
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,600
very differently. If you go into a

716
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,000
process like, okay team, we got 3

717
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,200
million. What can we do? What's the best

718
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,720
we can do? How can we really optimize

719
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,520
um solving as many of our problems as we

720
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,760
can? and [clears throat] you just you

721
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,279
just

722
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:33,279
for example we've done projects where

723
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:36,320
the assumption was it had to be heated

724
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,799
not totally unrelated

725
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:42,000
um project but there was an assumption

726
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,960
that there had to be heat like well why

727
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,720
turns out there didn't have to be heat

728
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,880
in this particular instance which went

729
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,520
in the boiler room these various there

730
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,840
questions and assumptions have huge

731
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,399
impacts as in terms of what it end up

732
00:28:58,399 --> 00:29:02,480
building or or needing. So I'm just I'm

733
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,760
my my point is my intuition based on

734
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,640
this kind of structure simple structures

735
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,600
is you could save some serious money.

736
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,200
You might not get a you know fully

737
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,760
enclosed slabs everywhere needed. You

738
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,520
might you might have to have some

739
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,159
portions of the building that are the

740
00:29:22,159 --> 00:29:26,000
absolute basic um

741
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,919
what you need for that portion of the

742
00:29:27,919 --> 00:29:28,399
building.

743
00:29:28,399 --> 00:29:28,880
>> Mhm.

744
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,320
>> But my intuition is 6 million is a lot

745
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,630
bigger than what you're trying to do.

746
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,240
>> Thank you.

747
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,120
>> Sorry.

748
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,669
Is there any

749
00:29:45,679 --> 00:29:46,880
do you op do you want to

750
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,039
>> I mean I got I can I can

751
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:54,159
>> I can respond to it but I mean if you

752
00:29:54,159 --> 00:29:58,240
look there's several things here and

753
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,039
there's the fact that we have a very

754
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,360
aging facility that barely serves the

755
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:08,159
need of what we're trying to do. Um, I

756
00:30:08,159 --> 00:30:09,679
don't want to be in a position where we

757
00:30:09,679 --> 00:30:11,840
have to build a town garage in short

758
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,960
order. Like we had to repair the we had

759
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,320
to take out a bond and borrow money

760
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,760
because the roof fell in on the

761
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,360
reservoir for our town water system. So,

762
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:22,960
yes, it's a lot of money. It's not going

763
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,440
to get any cheaper, but if we have a

764
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,080
failure up there and we have to build a

765
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,440
building in short order, it's going to

766
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,320
cost a lot more than $6 million.

767
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,440
And this is not the time to be doing a

768
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,840
project like this. But when is the time

769
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,720
to do it? Like there is a lot of

770
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,240
financial

771
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,679
there's a lot of financial stuff that's

772
00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:45,760
out of our control right now. And I

773
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:46,880
don't know if it's going to get any

774
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,720
better. I have a feeling diesel is going

775
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,120
to be around $10 a gallon by mid winter.

776
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,240
Like that's just my personal like and

777
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,960
that's a scary thought.

778
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,039
But how far do we not do anything?

779
00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:04,000
And I I don't know the answers to these

780
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,679
questions. I need the community to join

781
00:31:05,679 --> 00:31:09,039
in the conversation. And can we afford a

782
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:11,760
$6 million building? Probably not. But

783
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,080
can we afford to pay for one? Can this

784
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,399
community afford to pay for a building

785
00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:18,880
like that for the next 20 years?

786
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,279
Absolutely. 100%. Because of who we are

787
00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:26,080
and the community that we live in. I

788
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,000
mean, these are all questions I have.

789
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,840
Like I'm asking the same questions to

790
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:35,039
myself every day when we spend a dollar.

791
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:37,679
Can we afford it? And right now it's

792
00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:40,000
really hard

793
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:50,799
and I I feel the like I don't I'm just here in this position, but I'm we're trying to keep moving for keep

794
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:53,279
the town moving forward. And can we have

795
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:59,120
a a a cold garage for our town trucks? I

796
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,679
don't think we'd have a town employee

797
00:32:01,679 --> 00:32:03,600
show up to open our roads up when it

798
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,080
snows, you know, like could we start

799
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,720
those trucks in in 30 below weather?

800
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,200
Probably not. So, like there's certain

801
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,679
things that we need to keep the town

802
00:32:13,679 --> 00:32:16,159
moving forward. and we could come

803
00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:19,360
together as a community and have a

804
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,440
couple weekends of work and build a town

805
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,120
garage for probably a hell of a lot

806
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,799
less. Can we do that? I don't know.

807
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:28,720
Just takes a lot of organization. Like I

808
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,720
can keep going. I can go all night about

809
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,840
hardwick. I love this community. And can

810
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,320
we can we can we afford it? Probably

811
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,480
not. But I think we can over the next 20

812
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,919
years. And

813
00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:41,840
>> and I think to build on that too, it's

814
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,080
like planning for 20 years, right?

815
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,600
looking at longevity, looking at

816
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,760
durability, maintenance ends up being

817
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,679
cheaper than replacement. So if we're

818
00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:52,159
and ideally we should have replaced and

819
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:55,600
maintained m much longer ago. Um and so

820
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,000
if we do that now hopefully then we can

821
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,840
actually save in the long run over the

822
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,880
next 20 30 years

823
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,240
especially in the maintenance of our

824
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,039
equipment too.

825
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:07,120
>> I mean that's assuming the bond passes

826
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,240
which is a big

827
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:08,640
>> well

828
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:09,360
>> 100%.

829
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:09,919
>> Right. Of course

830
00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:10,480
>> 100%.

831
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:11,360
>> Um sure.

832
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,799
>> Opie do you want to speak again? I know

833
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:14,480
we we've mentioned this pretty much

834
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:15,760
every time it's come up, but can you

835
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,960
>> still asking me to talk?

836
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,840
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um so just to just to remind

837
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,320
everybody why we're asking why we're

838
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,919
doing a bond vote now and not waiting

839
00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:25,600
for town meeting because that is a

840
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:26,559
question that I've gotten.

841
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:29,679
>> Right. Um

842
00:33:29,679 --> 00:33:32,640
because if we waited till town meeting

843
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,960
the summer bond pool, we wouldn't be

844
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,200
able to close on this until like this

845
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,320
time of year. If we do it now, if we do

846
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:45,200
it this fall, we can close on a loan at the end at the beginning of our

847
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,919
fiscal year, early summer. So, at the

848
00:33:47,919 --> 00:33:50,240
time, like there's two bond pools a

849
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,039
year,

850
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:52,320
>> right? So, if we wait until town

851
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,120
meeting, then we're waiting until we

852
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,200
miss a whole construction season.

853
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,279
>> And so, then we're effectively not

854
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:00,880
starting the project

855
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,279
>> until two years from now. And knowing

856
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:05,279
the state of our town garage, we don't

857
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:07,120
know if that's

858
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,200
>> and the likely price prices are likely

859
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,800
to go up with that

860
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,520
>> be more than 6 million in two years,

861
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:14,960
>> right?

862
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,359
>> Or the world could be a better place and

863
00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:20,000
everything could be cheap.

864
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,119
>> I mean, the world is a pretty good

865
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:22,159
place, but

866
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:23,440
>> Yeah. Yeah.

867
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,159
>> cheap, though.

868
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:25,599
>> We might have to go.

869
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:26,639
>> Things aren't getting cheaper.

870
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:26,879
>> Yeah,

871
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:28,000
>> these are not.

872
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,320
>> Let's hope. Yeah, these are all like I I

873
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,919
don't I can answer the questions based

874
00:34:31,919 --> 00:34:34,480
on my own thoughts and opinions, but

875
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,280
like I obviously the the bond pool is

876
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,079
factual. That's not my opinion, but as

877
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:42,879
far as timing like yeah, we can wait 5

878
00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:44,240
years.

879
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:45,280
>> Well, I think the other thing

880
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,440
>> unlikely we can wait because if we and

881
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,280
again if we wait 5 years to push back on

882
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,040
that, it's likely that there will be

883
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,879
some catastrophic failure and we will

884
00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:55,839
have to bond immediately regardless.

885
00:34:55,839 --> 00:34:57,599
>> Yeah. So, it's like,

886
00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:59,599
>> have you looked at the cost to reinforce

887
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:01,119
the system structure?

888
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:07,280
>> It'd be about 150,000 to just to just do

889
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,599
um like cut the I- beams.

890
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:10,480
>> Yeah.

891
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,800
>> And pour a concrete pillar and reinforce

892
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,079
the building. That still doesn't address

893
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:20,160
the That would that would be it would be

894
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,000
tough. It would be easy to do on the

895
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,560
interior columns, but it would be it

896
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,040
would take some work to do on the the

897
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,800
columns in the front of the building

898
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,960
that are that are hidden in the the

899
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,599
front uh framing. That still doesn't

900
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:36,800
address the space, right?

901
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,200
>> Seems like a pretty low cost to buy

902
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,760
yourselves more time though,

903
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,160
>> right?

904
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,599
>> Are we trying to buy ourselves more

905
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:44,240
time?

906
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:45,920
>> Well, I think you are if the bond goes

907
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,200
down. So, I I I I don't I don't I I I

908
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,280
mean, I'm hopeful a that the bond does

909
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,800
pass, but I think that we're looking at

910
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,040
this as a strategic opportunity given

911
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,920
the fact that we can um piggyback on

912
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,280
funds from FEMA looking at the necessary

913
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,760
um replacement of our uh fire

914
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,760
department. So, it's not just the T.

915
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:06,960
Yeah. Relocation. Thank you.

916
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,000
>> And the rescue that serves seven t seven

917
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,599
town

918
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:14,240
is just for the town. I can't get money

919
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:16,560
for that portion. So, right. Right.

920
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,000
We're looking at that's why we're

921
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,359
calling it the essential services

922
00:36:19,359 --> 00:36:20,800
project, you know, building project

923
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,520
where it will be the town garage, the

924
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,520
fire department, and and Hardwick

925
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,760
Rescue. All of which come with their own

926
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,920
funding sources. The $6 million bond

927
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,320
will be for the town.

928
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,079
>> Correct. They they will be funding their

929
00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:36,000
portion. They have their revenue source

930
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,640
and looking at they will also support

931
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,359
the the site work um as well. Again,

932
00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:42,880
hopefully that we can get enough money

933
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,920
from FEMA to do a lot of the site work

934
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,839
for the entire project. So again,

935
00:36:47,839 --> 00:36:49,440
looking at this, this is really the

936
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,839
right time as a strategic opportunity to

937
00:36:51,839 --> 00:36:53,680
do the whole complex instead of

938
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,280
peacemealing it out, which would

939
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,520
ultimately cost us more in the long run.

940
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,440
And so again, I don't want to bring the

941
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,359
negativity saying if I hope it does

942
00:37:01,359 --> 00:37:03,599
pass. I recognize it as an if, but I

943
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:05,920
would like to say when it passes, you

944
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:06,800
know, so we can

945
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,880
>> My point was that if you're worried that

946
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,760
the thing collapsed collapses in

947
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,280
November,

948
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,200
you would be prudent to reinforce it

949
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,079
now.

950
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:18,640
>> Yeah, we

951
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:19,920
>> we asked about that.

952
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:25,839
>> Yeah. Over the last decade, I think we saved we're I think we're you have to

953
00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:27,440
look at the capital schedule, but I

954
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,000
think we put like $20,000 a year for

955
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,359
like the last 10 years. I think we have

956
00:37:31,359 --> 00:37:34,640
aboutund 160 180,000.

957
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,480
>> We put more in the last budget, you

958
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,800
know, after we after we got the report.

959
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,960
>> Yeah. So, I don't know. I think it's it

960
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,240
may be 200,000. So, we we have some

961
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:48,400
>> some capital to to put into a project

962
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,079
like that. If we have to, we could.

963
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:55,119
But if we can, if we don't have to, like

964
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:57,760
if we don't have to put $200,000 of of

965
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,599
money we saved over the last decade into

966
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:01,440
a building we're gonna potentially tear

967
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,920
down in five years,

968
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,910
like

969
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,680
and if the bond doesn't pass, it doesn't

970
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,359
pass. It goes back to the voters.

971
00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:14,491
>> Figure it out.

972
00:38:14,491 --> 00:38:15,440
[cough]

973
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:15,920
>> Question.

974
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,359
>> Can you state your name, please?

975
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:19,440
>> Yeah. when they did Gregorio paying my

976
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,520
professional cap off and as a Harvard

977
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,680
resident here. So, um, have we done any

978
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,520
simulations as far as what this 6

979
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,000
million bond vote will do to to rate

980
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,680
payers and what that impact will be over

981
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,960
20 20 years or the results of that?

982
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,960
>> I don't have that right in front of me

983
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,200
right now, but we plan on talking about

984
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,839
that on the 22nd. We plan on presenting

985
00:38:41,839 --> 00:38:42,480
that.

986
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,160
>> Um, the first year it's about a $400,000

987
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,160
payment.

988
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,839
which we've already started allocating

989
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:50,960
funds for.

990
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,720
>> Yeah, that was my second question, Tim.

991
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:54,800
I heard you mention that earlier. So, do

992
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,520
we have like a reserve fund that we

993
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,160
could potentially use to

994
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,920
>> I'm not saying not bonding out for the

995
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,160
full 6 million is is not the answer. I'm

996
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,920
just curious if there's any other

997
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,599
funding mechanisms that are already in

998
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:10,480
place that could minimize that shock or

999
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,480
the frustration from rateayers.

1000
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,200
Currently, we're just living in a world

1001
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,640
of unafford. in the past. In the past,

1002
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,359
we've been able to use the fund balance,

1003
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:22,720
correct me if I'm wrong, for things like

1004
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:26,240
this. I am I don't know if that's

1005
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:28,000
something that would be available. This

1006
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,200
>> I mean, it's always it's always

1007
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,079
available. It's whether or not we want

1008
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:34,320
to let the fund balance go below our our

1009
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,280
policy levels.

1010
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,520
>> Yeah. I I think there's a a prudent

1011
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,200
conversation around that again because

1012
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,119
those funds are often used for

1013
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:43,280
emergencies or allocating and, you know,

1014
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,119
we don't know, you know, personal

1015
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:46,240
opinion. And I think we could take it

1016
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:48,400
from the school administration cost, but

1017
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:49,839
that's that's a conversation for a

1018
00:39:49,839 --> 00:39:52,079
different uh for a different meeting.

1019
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:54,480
But um hey, you know, throwing it out

1020
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,480
there. Um but um

1021
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:57,359
>> you will hear me preach [clears throat]

1022
00:39:57,359 --> 00:39:59,200
later on about how financing is key and

1023
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,000
starting the cost.

1024
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,000
>> I mean, sure, I mean anyway, I'm just

1025
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,599
saying it's like this is I think

1026
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:05,040
something that's necessary to keep our

1027
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,800
town [clears throat] running. Yeah.

1028
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,400
>> Yeah. I 100% um I do do not disagree.

1029
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,960
And again when we have the floor we'll

1030
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,480
talk about moving critical

1031
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,240
infrastructure and the importance of it

1032
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:18,880
and for our crew as well. So um but as a

1033
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,720
resident I do you know I think people

1034
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:22,320
are just living in a world right now

1035
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,960
where like Obie said it's it's it's hard

1036
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,040
to put you know fuel in their heating

1037
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,000
tank and so it's just I think education

1038
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,640
may be the key here just to have people

1039
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,800
understand like what is actually going

1040
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,880
to change in their immediate life if

1041
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,760
this goes through. I I I don't think the

1042
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,079
question is around whether or not it

1043
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:43,839
needs to happen or not because yeah,

1044
00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:45,359
>> I think we all agree it does need to

1045
00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:45,760
happen,

1046
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:46,320
>> right?

1047
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,920
>> Um but

1048
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,640
>> I I

1049
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:49,440
>> that's my two cents

1050
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,440
>> and I I think we have a very competent

1051
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,000
team in the town office and you know who

1052
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,720
are well I don't know

1053
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:58,800
>> but committed to keeping the rate as low

1054
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,720
as we can. I I think it's a good

1055
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:04,800
question, Renee, because I think that's

1056
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,720
my personal hesitation with the bond

1057
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:08,800
vote is knowing the exact tax

1058
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,280
implication for the next 20 years every

1059
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,040
year. [clears throat] And I don't know

1060
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,720
if we have that. I would feel a lot more

1061
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:16,720
comfortable if I knew, okay, this means

1062
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:19,520
it's only going to be a x amount of

1063
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,119
increase, but a $400,000 payment is a

1064
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:24,480
big percentage of our is a big

1065
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,960
percentage of our budget. So what I

1066
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,720
that's my I would like to know the

1067
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:31,040
answer to that question as well. I don't

1068
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,200
think we have the answer tonight.

1069
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,599
>> So I I I have a follow-up question to

1070
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:39,760
that. It when we vote if we vote on this

1071
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,280
resolution of necessity tonight. Um will

1072
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,079
we also at some point in the next few

1073
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:49,839
weeks vote on the specific warning for

1074
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:51,839
November 3rd or is that this?

1075
00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:53,119
>> There's two of them. There's the

1076
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:55,280
necessity resolution and the warning.

1077
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,280
>> Oh, okay. So, we are doing that tonight

1078
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:58,960
if we get that tomorrow.

1079
00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:59,599
>> Right.

1080
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:00,079
>> Okay.

1081
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:01,760
>> So, but your question is could you do

1082
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:02,800
one without the other?

1083
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,520
>> My my question was if the timing were

1084
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,040
different and maybe the timing could be

1085
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,520
different. I don't know. Like we vote on

1086
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,200
the necess resolution of necessity

1087
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,119
tonight. We get some more of those

1088
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:15,520
numbers and then we just vote vote on

1089
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,920
the warning in two weeks and maybe we

1090
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,240
have more information by then. We won't

1091
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:23,359
be hitting the benchmarks for

1092
00:42:23,359 --> 00:42:26,480
the for the primary election day.

1093
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:26,880
>> Okay.

1094
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:27,760
>> There's timing.

1095
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,760
>> I know. I understand. I don't know what

1096
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,400
it is. So

1097
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,000
>> So I'm going to go ahead and actually

1098
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,079
make a motion to approve the resolution

1099
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:36,160
of necessity for construction of the

1100
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,480
town uh highway garage for town.

1101
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:39,040
>> I'll second.

1102
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:39,680
>> Okay.

1103
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,040
>> Any other discussion? There are

1104
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,079
questions.

1105
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:44,960
>> Do we know when we'll have tax

1106
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,040
information?

1107
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,000
>> At the hopefully at the October 22nd.

1108
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,920
>> We definitely have it on the 22nd.

1109
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,880
>> Um, we can pull that together.

1110
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,800
>> Like I have it. I just don't have it in

1111
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,480
front of me in my head.

1112
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:58,880
>> Okay.

1113
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,720
>> And to clarify, you're approving the

1114
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:03,520
resolution and the bond organ.

1115
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,200
>> Uh, there's two documents.

1116
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,400
>> Yeah.

1117
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,280
>> I mean,

1118
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,520
>> well, you're I will Yes.

1119
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:14,069
>> Thank you.

1120
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:18,560
» This isn't like this is just a

1121
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,119
procedural

1122
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:24,309
um the procedural path to keep going

1123
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:25,200
[clears throat] forward with this

1124
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,440
conversation like this doesn't make us

1125
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,119
borrow $6 million

1126
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:30,960
>> order of operations we have to do this

1127
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:31,359
to get

1128
00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:33,040
>> so I guess that's what I was asking

1129
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,319
about with the timing is there an

1130
00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:36,560
offramp at some point

1131
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,640
>> once we if we vote on this now is there

1132
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:39,200
an offering

1133
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,200
>> well then there's again the order of op

1134
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,480
as I understand it the order of

1135
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,560
operations then there is an there's

1136
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,319
twoformational meetings one of which is

1137
00:43:46,319 --> 00:43:50,079
necessary and this goes to vote at

1138
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:52,960
general election day to the the taxpayer

1139
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,440
you know to all the so that's like and

1140
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,599
we have to do this now so that we can

1141
00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:59,119
get the warning out so that it can go on

1142
00:43:59,119 --> 00:43:59,599
the map

1143
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:00,640
>> right okay

1144
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,240
>> that's my understanding for the

1145
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:06,240
>> I would also add yes and that what we

1146
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:08,319
are saying

1147
00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:09,839
I mean I think it's wonderful that

1148
00:44:09,839 --> 00:44:11,359
multiple people tonight have said that

1149
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:13,200
it's possible that we could bond for

1150
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,520
less that would be great but we're

1151
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,440
committing to bonding to 6 million with

1152
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,760
this decision. We're not changing that's

1153
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:20,240
that is

1154
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:22,640
>> we're committing to bonding up to

1155
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:23,280
>> but we're

1156
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,680
>> not to an amount not to exceed 6 million

1157
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,200
correct that could be subject to

1158
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,960
reduction by available grants and other

1159
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:29,760
funding sources

1160
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,400
>> but we don't know any of the other

1161
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,760
particularities of other funding

1162
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,280
sources. So by

1163
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,119
>> by putting this to the voters you're

1164
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:38,960
putting six million a $6 million bond to

1165
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,240
the voters.

1166
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:42,079
>> Ideally it would be less but we're

1167
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:43,599
putting 6 million to the voters. So

1168
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:45,280
that's I just think it's like I think

1169
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,640
we're going to work our hardest to make

1170
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,400
it less, [clears throat] but that is the

1171
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:49,599
vote on the table.

1172
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,160
>> Some some of the ways that other towns

1173
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,960
have paid for projects like this, um St.

1174
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,920
Albvin's town uh adopted a local option

1175
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,400
tax to pay for their new town garage.

1176
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,160
They adopted a local option tax and

1177
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,960
saved their local option tax revenue for

1178
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,960
I think a period of 5 to seven years and

1179
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,599
were able to pay for their building. So

1180
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:13,680
like there's definitely other mechanisms

1181
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,560
for us to be able to pay for the

1182
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,240
building, pay for the project, pay for

1183
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:21,040
the loan payments.

1184
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,440
>> Is a garage critical housing

1185
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,141
infrastructure.

1186
00:45:26,141 --> 00:45:27,599
[laughter]

1187
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:28,880
>> Throw an apartment at that.

1188
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,920
>> Apartments up top.

1189
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,000
>> Motion. We do have a motion in a second.

1190
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,359
Is there any other discussion or

1191
00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:36,720
questions?

1192
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:38,240
>> It's been a good conversation. Thank you

1193
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:39,599
everybody for your questions and

1194
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:41,599
comments. All those in favor, please

1195
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:43,040
signify by saying I.

1196
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,720
>> I.

1197
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:46,400
>> Opposed?

1198
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,630
Abstensions.

1199
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,880
Okay, great. So, we're going to have

1200
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,359
anformational meeting on

1201
00:45:55,359 --> 00:45:58,880
>> October 8th and October 22nd and then a

1202
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,000
bond vote on November 3rd.

1203
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,760
>> Okay. Next, we have item three. Yes.

1204
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,240
Now, three. select board to discuss and

1205
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:10,319
consider approval for community national

1206
00:46:10,319 --> 00:46:12,240
bank note for HG in the amount of

1207
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:14,400
$800,000 for the purchase of the new

1208
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,280
facility in East Harbick. Um Scott and

1209
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,280
Renee are here to discuss that

1210
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,359
>> hopefully I'll let

1211
00:46:21,359 --> 00:46:23,200
>> he stands and presents and I'm usually

1212
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,440
just hanging out in the back.

1213
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,680
>> So uh this is for 1868 uh Route 16 in

1214
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,720
Eastwick. Um and it for her electric it

1215
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:35,520
solves uh two two challenges. One to

1216
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:36,960
which is longstanding and one to which

1217
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,119
is more recent. The long-standing one is

1218
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:41,920
it's been planned. As you know our uh

1219
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,920
our shop has been in the flood plane and

1220
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,599
it's a critical infrastructure and it's

1221
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:48,960
been targeted to be relocated for quite

1222
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,960
a long time. Um so this this property

1223
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,440
solves that problem. Um gets it gets our

1224
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,599
crew out of the flood plane. And then

1225
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:00,480
recently, um, out of community desire

1226
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,680
lines of of of new uses for the building

1227
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,319
across the street, um, you know, we were

1228
00:47:06,319 --> 00:47:08,240
asked if we could find a different way

1229
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:11,200
to have an office. Um, and so this also

1230
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,960
accommodates that. So the the

1231
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,200
propertyy's 8 acres, has all it

1232
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,440
infrastructure that's necessary, has a

1233
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,440
nice large layown yard for poles and

1234
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:20,880
transformers and all of that already

1235
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,319
built. Um, has it's 5,400 square ft. The

1236
00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:27,119
main original part of the building is uh

1237
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:29,040
about 30 years old, so obviously needs

1238
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,079
some TLC, but is in very good shape.

1239
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:33,599
There's not rotting or any of the things

1240
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:35,920
you were just talking about. Um the

1241
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,440
newer addition to the building where the

1242
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,760
office is about 10 years old. It's in

1243
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,720
pretty good shape. Um and overall, we

1244
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:44,560
have had all of the uh necessary

1245
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,560
inspections done on the building since

1246
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,319
we entered the purchase and sales on the

1247
00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:50,640
property. uh the the few things that

1248
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,960
weren't in operation order the the own

1249
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,400
the current owners have agreed to fix

1250
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:55,920
before the CO which is currently

1251
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,839
targeted for October 16th. So those

1252
00:47:57,839 --> 00:48:01,839
things are all happening. Um and uh and

1253
00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:03,920
it really is just a unique opportunity

1254
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,560
that a facility that was built to house

1255
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,119
trucks just like we happen to own came

1256
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:10,880
on the market at the moment that both of

1257
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,200
these critical needs were hitting us. So

1258
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,119
for $800,000

1259
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:19,760
uh uh before we address where you know

1260
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,079
where any courses from that sale go uh

1261
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:23,599
we can actually solve both of those

1262
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:25,920
problems. Um and that is not born by any

1263
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,680
taxpayer. It's born by the electricity

1264
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,480
payers in all the communities that we

1265
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,960
serve. So yes our customers and carpet

1266
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,599
pay but so does everybody else. So

1267
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:38,480
that's the tea up and then can talk

1268
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,480
about any particulars about the finance

1269
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,760
the 20ear financing.

1270
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,720
>> Yep. Yep. So, I'm happy um all the the

1271
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:46,480
notes, terms and conditions are in the

1272
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,480
memo that I had put. I think that

1273
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,240
they're in the packet. I believe they

1274
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,240
got there in time. Um so, I'm happy to

1275
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:54,240
run through those and then address any

1276
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:55,920
particular questions or concerns that

1277
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,079
you may have. Um I will just piggy back

1278
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:00,720
off of what Scott is saying. Um this is

1279
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:03,680
you know a solution to a dire need to

1280
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,224
move critical infrastructure and um

1281
00:49:06,224 --> 00:49:08,160
[clears throat] with the last flood we

1282
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,160
had crew members straight down there

1283
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,680
overnight because they couldn't leave

1284
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,400
either direction. So moving the current

1285
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,319
garage out of the flood plane is been a

1286
00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:17,920
goal for the department for quite some

1287
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,440
time and obviously from the town

1288
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,280
perspective as well. So, we're super

1289
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,440
excited to hopefully get this to go

1290
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,640
fully through. And um our crew, our wine

1291
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,319
crew is also super um enthusiastic about

1292
00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:31,920
getting out of the building and going

1293
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,839
into new territory that certainly isn't

1294
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:36,480
goldplated as Scott has mentioned, but

1295
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,400
it checks a lot of the boxes that we

1296
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,599
need. Um and one of the other key pieces

1297
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:43,440
is that we will eventually be in the

1298
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,680
same complex together. So right now we

1299
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:46,834
are constantly you know moving back

1300
00:49:46,834 --> 00:49:48,720
[clears throat] and forth from downtown

1301
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:50,720
up to here and then back and forth. Um

1302
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:52,880
so I think that this it will be really

1303
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,559
good for our department to be at one

1304
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:56,720
complex all of the time.

1305
00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:58,559
>> One thing I did want to add just um we

1306
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:00,319
have I have heard from I think two

1307
00:50:00,319 --> 00:50:03,280
customers who uh the only concern we've

1308
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,599
heard about the move is the loss of

1309
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:07,520
ability to drop off payment in the

1310
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,359
village um here. Uh and so we certainly

1311
00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:13,520
I know Opie and I have had a first

1312
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,839
conversation finding a place where that

1313
00:50:15,839 --> 00:50:17,520
can happen where when we're making our

1314
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,680
bank runs and and things that we can

1315
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,000
just pick up is some we haven't had a

1316
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,760
outcry about this but we have had a

1317
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,119
couple customers and if it matters to

1318
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:26,880
customers a long time we'll accommodate.

1319
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,409
So I I mostly wanted to share with you

1320
00:50:29,409 --> 00:50:31,200
[snorts] we expected to hear a little

1321
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,760
more buzz about you know again at this

1322
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,920
time in this economy we actually have

1323
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,680
not heard any of that. Um uh uh this was

1324
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,200
the one concern that we've heard a

1325
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:42,960
little again I think I heard from two

1326
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,119
people which usually means there's 15 or

1327
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:47,119
20 that are probably thinking right when

1328
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:48,960
somebody speaks out they're generally

1329
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,880
speaking for some other people too. So

1330
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,319
>> great um so the terms of this note 20

1331
00:50:56,319 --> 00:50:58,319
years 5.3.8%

1332
00:50:58,319 --> 00:51:00,400
fixed for the first five years and then

1333
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,040
it is variable for the remaining 15

1334
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,880
years. We can certainly talk more about

1335
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,760
that um approach. The yearly payments

1336
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,040
will start in September of 2027 um for

1337
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,880
just a little over 66,000 a year. Um the

1338
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,160
we did p we did explore other financing

1339
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,880
measures as Scott teed up earlier. You

1340
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,119
know, Harvard Electric is going through

1341
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:25,599
um the 20 trying to resolve the 2025

1342
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:27,680
break case which is particularly going

1343
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,599
to lead us into a little bit of a cash

1344
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:31,040
front crunch for the remainder of the

1345
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,680
year. Um so one of the goals that I had

1346
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,240
in mind for uh strategically planning to

1347
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:38,000
purchase this building was to have

1348
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,440
minimal um cash impact in shop to um

1349
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,000
move forward this year. As we talked

1350
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,599
about earlier, there's a need to both

1351
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:47,520
move out of our complex plus get them

1352
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,839
out of the flood plane. So we wanted to

1353
00:51:49,839 --> 00:51:51,839
act upon this building that was put on

1354
00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:53,119
the market that checked a lot of our

1355
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:56,000
boxes. Um so my approach to that was

1356
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,079
trying to minimize the loan

1357
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:01,680
requirements, not going um commercial

1358
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,760
real estate was one of those um

1359
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,079
requirements. So that meant no closing

1360
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:10,000
costs. Um no crazy inspection or reports

1361
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,880
that were required. Not uh 20% down

1362
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,480
wasn't required to purchase the the

1363
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,319
facility. That way we didn't have to

1364
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:19,680
strategically time possibly selling this

1365
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,440
location and then moving into the next

1366
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,280
location to try to mitigate that cash

1367
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,160
impact. So one of the solutions to that

1368
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,880
was to go into this note which did have

1369
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,520
a variable rate for 15 years. Um

1370
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,800
community national has no loan fees. Um

1371
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,680
so in four years or three years we

1372
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,760
decide that the risk to have a variable

1373
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,200
rate coming up is too high for the

1374
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:42,559
department. we can easily, you know,

1375
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:45,440
refinance and and look at what the

1376
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,280
principle even is because once we do

1377
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,440
sell the building and then um kind of

1378
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,440
let things iron out a little bit, we,

1379
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:52,880
you know, may not have much left to pay

1380
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,280
on it after the first 5 years. Anyways,

1381
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,400
um so that was one of the that was the

1382
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,720
major variables at play with um taking

1383
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:04,880
this approach. Um I did explore doing a

1384
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,640
longer term fixed rate. It was about

1385
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,599
$15,000 a year difference payment wise.

1386
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:13,599
So again,

1387
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:15,599
higher higher. Yes, let me just say it

1388
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:17,119
was about two points higher interest

1389
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:20,640
wise. So and we would have to um come up

1390
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,599
with an unknown cash amount to actually

1391
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:24,960
fully execute and move out of the

1392
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,119
building. So that was the thought um

1393
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:28,720
there. That was the approach. which I'm

1394
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:30,800
happy to go through what each document

1395
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,559
is um doing, but the over the overall

1396
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:37,040
gist of it is 20-year note um first 5

1397
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,200
years fixed, remaining 15 years

1398
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,880
variable, no prepayment for penalty um

1399
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,800
or refinancing

1400
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,040
and it is a revenue back electric

1401
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,680
revenue backed note and um it's a tax

1402
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,280
exempt note as well. So, we'll be filing

1403
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:52,960
all the correct documentation with the

1404
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,480
IRS at the tax exempt rate.

1405
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,079
I'm not sure if there's anything else

1406
00:53:58,079 --> 00:53:59,760
that

1407
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,200
you guys would be particularly

1408
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,920
interested about. Oh, and I don't know

1409
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,559
if you mentioned, but there are several

1410
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:08,960
um there's a surplus of items that are

1411
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,520
staying in the facility. Um so, we do

1412
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,000
plan to eventually try to sell those and

1413
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,359
um remove some of the cost as well.

1414
00:54:17,359 --> 00:54:20,640
I'll make a motion to approve a bank

1415
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,880
note for HD in the amount of 800,000

1416
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,200
from Community National Bank for the

1417
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:26,720
purchase of the new facility in East

1418
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:29,599
Hardwick.

1419
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:31,839
>> Second.

1420
00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:33,520
>> Is there any discussion or questions?

1421
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,920
>> Yeah, questions.

1422
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,920
>> So, I've heard there's you guys are

1423
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,599
going to have to add on to it. Like all

1424
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:41,200
the trucks won't fit.

1425
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,599
>> They do fit.

1426
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:46,960
>> Fit. The pickups will not. Um, our view

1427
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,119
on the pickups is that, you know, we

1428
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:50,640
always have holes we take down out of

1429
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,680
the ground. Um, and so, you know, we we

1430
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,319
can build a, you know, a cover for the

1431
00:54:56,319 --> 00:54:57,920
pickups to sit under to keep them out of

1432
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,680
the weather and for our pickups. We

1433
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,599
think that's fine. That won't cost us a

1434
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:06,000
lot. Um, we're not certain long-term how

1435
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,079
the office space will reconcile and if

1436
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:10,319
it may need a very small addition at

1437
00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:12,720
some point, but our approach is to go

1438
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:14,400
live in it for a couple years and feel

1439
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,800
it out and move things around and and

1440
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,800
get used to it and see if it becomes a

1441
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,880
constraint. Um, but in terms of the

1442
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,119
trucks, yeah, only the big only our four

1443
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:24,880
large trucks will fit in the facility

1444
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,359
and we'll just, you know, we'll just

1445
00:55:27,359 --> 00:55:29,920
build a pull um to put the uh the

1446
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,559
pickups on there. we can run uh power

1447
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:34,400
out to it. We know how to run power and

1448
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,559
um have block heaters in them and and

1449
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:38,319
they all have remotes these days so you

1450
00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:39,440
can turn them on when you get in and

1451
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,359
warm them up. So um and our crew is at

1452
00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:43,839
least okay with that and again the

1453
00:55:43,839 --> 00:55:46,880
crew's happy to have a get out of a

1454
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,280
really terrible facility and working

1455
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:50,559
really well with us to solve this

1456
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:51,760
problem.

1457
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,599
>> You said there was no inspection.

1458
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:54,720
>> There was we did pay

1459
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:58,079
>> we did she

1460
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:00,319
Okay. They didn't require things like a

1461
00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:02,880
level one environmental site assessment.

1462
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,440
Um, we did a full inspection. We hired a

1463
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,280
commercial inspector to come in and do a

1464
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,799
full full assess building inspection,

1465
00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:13,040
but we did some of the stuff that often

1466
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,400
that loan the banks and bonds require.

1467
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,000
We didn't end up with those requirements

1468
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,680
because of the approach, but we still

1469
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,000
made we wanted for our own due diligence

1470
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,680
to know that the septic worked and the

1471
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,760
water was tested and the hot water

1472
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,480
worked and the build that everything was

1473
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,720
inspected. The wiring was inspected

1474
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:32,480
>> and it's up to code there. Is there a

1475
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:33,839
certain code for that must?

1476
00:56:33,839 --> 00:56:35,680
>> Yep. There is codes. So, one thing we'll

1477
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:39,280
have to look at when we get in, what the only thing that came up that the

1478
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:40,960
inspector couldn't determine, mostly

1479
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,079
because he didn't want to punch a hole

1480
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:45,280
in the wall, is the raised that is

1481
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,240
possible, but he doesn't know that there

1482
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:50,319
may not be a firewall between the garage

1483
00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:52,880
and the office. There's sheetrock on

1484
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,240
both sides. So, that would simply mean

1485
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:55,839
to add another piece of whatever it is,

1486
00:56:55,839 --> 00:56:59,280
58 of sheetrock on both sides, which we

1487
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,040
also know how to put up sheetrock. It

1488
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,240
won't be tape pretty, but it doesn't

1489
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:05,359
have to be a firewall. Um, so like I so

1490
00:57:05,359 --> 00:57:07,920
it was a very to the extent we and we

1491
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,760
won't cut a hole in it and to the extent

1492
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,680
that that's a fix we need to make. We

1493
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,760
can do that in downtime ourselves.

1494
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,760
>> Um, and I will just add I should have

1495
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,359
let with this as well. This is something

1496
00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:21,760
I just asked asked, but um, as far as

1497
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,799
rate shock goes for our customers, uh,

1498
00:57:24,799 --> 00:57:26,640
this was a purchase that we were

1499
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,400
hopefully planning on when we did file

1500
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,760
our um, 2026 rate case. And so they did

1501
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,960
do the stimulation as well as our bucket

1502
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,079
chart purchase from last year and it was

1503
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:41,040
just a small smidge over 1% impact in

1504
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,440
that was filed in our rate case for

1505
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:44,240
>> both combined.

1506
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,400
Yes. Both combined. So

1507
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,400
>> that's without selling without any

1508
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:49,680
proceeds across the street.

1509
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:50,480
>> Yeah.

1510
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,559
>> Yep.

1511
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:55,280
Y thanks. That was my question.

1512
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,680
>> Yeah. I knew we were the same thing

1513
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:58,880
there.

1514
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,400
>> Great. So, just to um So, we do have a

1515
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,000
motion in a second. Are there any other

1516
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,480
questions about

1517
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,000
>> I just have one more thing.

1518
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,599
>> A couple people that couldn't be here

1519
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:11,280
tonight were asking and then I got

1520
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,359
thinking about it too.

1521
00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:16,000
>> The next item, which we're not going to

1522
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,760
go to that one yet, but you're asking

1523
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,559
for essentially 600,000

1524
00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:23,040
>> for cash issues,

1525
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:24,799
>> capital.

1526
00:58:24,799 --> 00:58:26,240
>> Yeah, there's Yeah, there's definitely

1527
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:27,440
more substance to that,

1528
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,200
>> you know. So then

1529
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,440
>> on top now there's 800

1530
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,520
>> you know so

1531
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,520
talking for other people they're

1532
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,160
concerned that is this going to put us

1533
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:39,359
in an issue

1534
00:58:39,359 --> 00:58:41,839
>> and I know the answer might be on the

1535
00:58:41,839 --> 00:58:42,640
next item but

1536
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,040
>> we we'll get to that what I would say is

1537
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,280
uh

1538
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,839
Harve Electric will

1539
00:58:49,839 --> 00:58:52,559
be investing probably on an annual basis

1540
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:54,079
of between two and two and a half

1541
00:58:54,079 --> 00:58:57,440
million a year for the next 20 years. um

1542
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,880
the modernize our electric grid which in

1543
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,280
many places doesn't have a wire size to

1544
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,000
fully support the uses people are using.

1545
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,240
So it's updating all the substations,

1546
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,559
updating the sub transmission, updating

1547
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:13,920
every wire line and transformer. Um and

1548
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,040
if you look at that sounds like a huge

1549
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,119
amount and it is a huge amount and

1550
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:22,319
spread across great over numerous towns,

1551
00:59:22,319 --> 00:59:25,040
it actually will be quite affordable um

1552
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,760
to do that. This is just a first piece.

1553
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,680
It gets more complicated, but

1554
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,680
historically we've always paid as we

1555
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,839
went for capital. We never borrowed

1556
00:59:33,839 --> 00:59:36,400
money hardly ever. Um that's no longer

1557
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,079
allowed by the state of Vermont. So

1558
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:40,799
you're going to see a lot of financing

1559
00:59:40,799 --> 00:59:43,760
coming from us. Um uh at least for

1560
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,559
electric departments. So the KGO model

1561
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:49,200
is kind of going away or they're just

1562
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:50,720
telling you they won't prove their cases

1563
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,040
if they don't adopt. They're actually

1564
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,520
they're setting not maximum but minimum

1565
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,599
debt to equity ratios. If you're not you

1566
00:59:57,599 --> 00:59:59,280
haven't borrowed enough money, they're

1567
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,280
not going to approve your rate cases

1568
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:02,960
going forward because they they there's

1569
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,680
this concept of generational equity that

1570
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,640
they're they become involved with um in

1571
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,240
Monter.

1572
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,079
So, but we can certainly talk more about

1573
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:13,520
that, but you're going to see a steady

1574
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,040
stream of those year after year after

1575
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:20,240
year. Um and uh and it'll be affordable.

1576
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:21,920
We can talk more about that for sure.

1577
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:22,240
Yeah.

1578
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:23,839
>> Well, I get the concern. Absolutely.

1579
01:00:23,839 --> 01:00:25,680
>> It is scary when you first try to digest

1580
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,200
it and it's just feels like it's

1581
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,000
constant at the moment. But, um, it took

1582
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,359
me a little bit to kind of get the

1583
01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:33,200
concept wrapped around in my little

1584
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,240
brain. But, um, it it honestly is better

1585
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,119
for our customers if we do this do it

1586
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:41,599
this way cuz it minimizes rate shock,

1587
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:42,880
right? Like we talked about a

1588
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,680
catastrophic event happening and our

1589
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,520
substation blows up, right? like that's

1590
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,599
something that was put into a plan that

1591
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:52,240
we will have to invest into in the next

1592
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,119
5 to 10 years. Well, in that situation,

1593
01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:56,880
we don't have a choice but to do

1594
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,599
emergency borrowing and then it's much

1595
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:01,040
heavy. It's a larger burden on

1596
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,280
taxpayers. So, this is right here.

1597
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,040
Sorry. Yeah. Um my tax breaks my tax

1598
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:08,640
maybe it's a bit more relevant to the

1599
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:09,119
next item.

1600
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:10,720
>> Yeah. Yeah. Let's

1601
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,359
>> have some good all good questions but

1602
01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:15,200
for this so we have a motion to say any

1603
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,200
other questions about this item.

1604
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:18,720
>> All those in favor please signify by

1605
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:19,520
saying I

1606
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:20,799
>> I

1607
01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:23,440
>> opposed. Extensions. Okay.

1608
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,160
Congratulations on you.

1609
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:27,760
>> October 16th.

1610
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,160
>> Great. You will have some very happy

1611
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:31,920
crew members. So we really appreciate

1612
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,119
you.

1613
01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:36,720
>> We'll add to the dynamics downtown.

1614
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,799
And I hear they are very excited.

1615
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:41,760
>> Absolutely.

1616
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,520
>> Okay. Next, we have items four, select

1617
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,280
board to discuss two union bank capital

1618
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,040
notes for HD, each in the amount of

1619
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,440
300,000 for a 10-year term to finance

1620
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,119
capital work and projects planned for

1621
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:53,760
completion during the remainder of 2026.

1622
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,839
Rene already started this conversation,

1623
01:01:55,839 --> 01:01:56,799
but go ahead, Scott.

1624
01:01:56,799 --> 01:01:59,119
>> So, so again, you know, we have started

1625
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:00,799
this conversation and again, neither of

1626
01:02:00,799 --> 01:02:02,880
these are for action tonight. and Rene

1627
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,280
can explain. We've we we've actually got

1628
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,440
banks kind of we're playing banks off

1629
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,119
each other right now to be blunt um to

1630
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:11,520
make sure we get end up in a place that

1631
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,040
we think is the deal that we ought to

1632
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,520
have for these notes. And at the time we

1633
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:16,960
thought they'd be ready and they just

1634
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,599
aren't ready. So we aren't forcing it.

1635
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:21,280
We want to get to a good decision, but

1636
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:22,720
we thought we would tonight at least

1637
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,240
explain what's going on since it was on

1638
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,760
their agenda. So you know we've as Renee

1639
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,000
noted well as I noted earlier and she's

1640
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,079
teed up. We do have some cash crunches

1641
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:34,319
right now. We could otherwise be doing

1642
01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:37,119
this as one note. Um, but timing wise to

1643
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:39,440
make sure with the way this rate case is

1644
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,799
coming out. Um, uh, it turned into two

1645
01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:45,280
notes for the capital work we've already

1646
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,599
done this year, which is around 300,000.

1647
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:50,000
Um, we can get a note to bring that cash

1648
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,920
back in. And again, we need to do that

1649
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:53,119
anyway because the state won't let us

1650
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:55,520
pay cash for it anymore. Um and then for

1651
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,359
the work we're doing for the balance of

1652
01:02:57,359 --> 01:03:00,079
the year, that's another 300,000 of ne

1653
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:01,599
all necessary improvements. We're not

1654
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:03,200
doing capital just because we're trying

1655
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,280
to make cash happen. Uh these are

1656
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,760
critical infrastructure needs on our

1657
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,200
system uh going forward. We've been an

1658
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,240
underinvestment in this system and and

1659
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,599
uh and and a real need to be upgrading

1660
01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:20,640
the system going forward. So, uh, that's

1661
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:21,839
really what we're trying to do is

1662
01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:23,839
address the two capital needs that we

1663
01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:26,160
have, um, but what we've done and what

1664
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,480
we will be doing for this year. So,

1665
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,760
that's about 600,000 between them, which

1666
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,160
will in in the future will seem like a

1667
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,599
light year for us uh, as we move this

1668
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:39,839
all forward. I did want to just note

1669
01:03:39,839 --> 01:03:42,480
that uh, but I think it's worth just

1670
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,240
saying out loud because I'm sure you're

1671
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,880
all thinking about this. So I know we've

1672
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,559
sent information about this in the past

1673
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:51,359
but there is

1674
01:03:51,359 --> 01:03:53,760
municipal electric departments are the

1675
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,680
rules for finance with municipal

1676
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,760
electric departments are different than

1677
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,240
any other municipal financing. I believe

1678
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,640
there you end up having the final

1679
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,079
authority in most cases about financing

1680
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:08,400
for projects for a municipal electric

1681
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,240
utility not meeting. Um there are ratios

1682
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,799
that we if and when we get over them

1683
01:04:14,799 --> 01:04:17,760
there are ratios after we hit when it

1684
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,039
does go to town. So, but within within

1685
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:23,200
parameters in state statute, and she can

1686
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,039
probably tell you that, I can't my

1687
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:28,240
brain. Um, but there's latitude for the

1688
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:29,920
governing body to make the final

1689
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,480
decision. Um, just so you're aware that

1690
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:33,760
there is a difference. I'm not saying

1691
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,240
it's right or not right, but it just is.

1692
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,240
Right. So, but with that, you want to

1693
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:39,200
talk about the notes.

1694
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,160
>> Yeah. Um, so as I touched on briefly

1695
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,160
earlier, historically harsh electrics

1696
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,159
and I think I could probably say

1697
01:04:46,159 --> 01:04:47,039
[clears throat] that a lot of other

1698
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:49,039
utilities structured their operations

1699
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:51,520
this way as well, but have that have

1700
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,520
since changed their models years ago and

1701
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:54,960
we just have not caught up to the train

1702
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,839
yet. Um, but historically we have tried

1703
01:04:57,839 --> 01:05:00,400
to invest in our system with our

1704
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,720
operating cash. And I'm not sure how

1705
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,559
familiar you guys all are with our

1706
01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:06,640
electric rate structure, but it makes it

1707
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,119
very difficult at the end of the year to

1708
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:11,039
come up with any type of surplus to do

1709
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:12,480
the type of investments that we have to

1710
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,280
do in our system each year. So, as you

1711
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:16,799
can imagine, it just kind of kicked the

1712
01:05:16,799 --> 01:05:19,039
can down the road. It hasn't happened. I

1713
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:21,280
mean, we have a high number of outages.

1714
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,839
We just we have to get the investment

1715
01:05:23,839 --> 01:05:25,839
into our infrastructure and we have to

1716
01:05:25,839 --> 01:05:28,079
get on a maint

1717
01:05:28,079 --> 01:05:30,640
um revolving plan. And so the way to do

1718
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,280
that to minimize rate shock is to go to

1719
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,799
this model that we will be um financing

1720
01:05:36,799 --> 01:05:38,480
for all of our capital work. And the

1721
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,160
idea behind that, like Scott mentioned,

1722
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,319
this is a state model that will be

1723
01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:45,760
required um will be required to follow

1724
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,880
it. It's going to get us get us the

1725
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,119
reliability that we need in our system

1726
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:54,079
plus um only you know have a rate impact

1727
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:55,680
each year each through the to 5 years

1728
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,599
that we have to go into for a rate case

1729
01:05:57,599 --> 01:06:00,559
of 1 to 2%. Um we have to spread the

1730
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:03,200
cost of these large projects over its

1731
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,039
useful life so that the person

1732
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:07,280
benefiting it from it in 30 years is

1733
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,280
also paying their fair share of those of

1734
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:13,440
us doing it benefit. So each year um we

1735
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,079
will first be going to our commission um

1736
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:18,799
and proposing the plans as a part of our

1737
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:21,119
budget development and then we will be

1738
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:23,440
getting a capital line of credit. Um

1739
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,359
hopefully with everyone's blessing um

1740
01:06:25,359 --> 01:06:27,119
doing those capital infrastructures and

1741
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:30,079
then turning it out into 20 or 30 years.

1742
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:31,839
Um we have large hydro projects coming

1743
01:06:31,839 --> 01:06:34,559
up the the pipeline. Um the life the

1744
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:40,240
life um span of those is obviously much longer. So, it just this is going

1745
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,880
to allow us to do those critical

1746
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,359
infrastructure investments at the same

1747
01:06:45,359 --> 01:06:47,920
time of having really minimal great

1748
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,611
impact to all of our repairs.

1749
01:06:50,611 --> 01:06:52,160
[clears throat] And it needs to happen

1750
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,720
because as we've seen months ago, we had

1751
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,880
a regular regulator in our substation

1752
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,319
and that turned into an emergency

1753
01:06:58,319 --> 01:07:00,480
situation that we had to quickly pivot

1754
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,400
and pay for. And that's what leads to

1755
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,640
these cash crunches. we were trying to

1756
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,039
do large projects with our operating

1757
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:09,680
cash and that's just not possible. Um so

1758
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,280
we have to pivot and change our

1759
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,920
mechanism and so we will be doing that.

1760
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,599
Um this is what all of our brother and

1761
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:18,480
sister utilities do. Um again we've it's

1762
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,319
we've been behind the train on that and

1763
01:07:20,319 --> 01:07:21,839
so we're just trying to quickly catch up

1764
01:07:21,839 --> 01:07:24,400
and um Jamie Dailyaly who uh Scott

1765
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,079
mentioned earlier was our new operations

1766
01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:29,200
manager. He's already like got his brain

1767
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,039
just wheeling and planning these

1768
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:32,559
projects. I swear he hasn't planned for

1769
01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:35,280
the next 20 years. Um, and it's I think

1770
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,680
it's a really exciting time at for us

1771
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,599
here, you know, in Harvick and all the

1772
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:41,760
repairs that we serve because this work

1773
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,000
has been long overdue and it's it's

1774
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,839
finally hopefully going to be in the

1775
01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:49,119
ground getting completed.

1776
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:50,960
>> Is the goal to vote on this at the next

1777
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:52,559
>> No, we don't have the notes for you.

1778
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:54,640
>> Yes, the next meeting to tee it up since

1779
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:56,400
we're here anyway and

1780
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,079
>> but the goal the goal would be beginning

1781
01:07:58,079 --> 01:07:59,119
of October to

1782
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:01,359
>> October 1st.

1783
01:08:01,359 --> 01:08:04,480
We have two projects planned

1784
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,960
um to begin. I think October [snorts]

1785
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,280
1st is like a Thursday, so the following

1786
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,640
Monday. Um and it's on our Greensboro

1787
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,319
circuit and our hardware circuit. I

1788
01:08:14,319 --> 01:08:16,000
think did I not put those in the memo

1789
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,000
yet? They'll be in the next memo. Um

1790
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,239
exactly what those those future projects

1791
01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:22,319
will have will hold. Um but our plan is

1792
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:24,799
to hopefully start them that first full

1793
01:08:24,799 --> 01:08:27,040
week of October. So, we're hoping um

1794
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:28,640
well, I know the documents will be ready

1795
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,799
for the October 1st meeting and we are

1796
01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:33,759
holding a special um commission meeting

1797
01:08:33,759 --> 01:08:36,799
September 30th to go over all of the

1798
01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:38,880
note proceeds. I mean, we definitely

1799
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,400
brief them Tuesday May as well. Um but

1800
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,279
we will be having a special meeting 9:30

1801
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:47,679
with the do the loan documents there

1802
01:08:47,679 --> 01:08:50,400
before we come here on the first and

1803
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:54,000
I'll be lone loan soldier that night. So

1804
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,040
>> be nice.

1805
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,480
>> Ask all the questions you need to right

1806
01:08:56,480 --> 01:08:56,960
now.

1807
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,359
>> No, per usual. You'll be great, right?

1808
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:02,000
>> Um, great. So there's no action tonight,

1809
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:03,440
but are there any question? It's great

1810
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:04,799
to have a

1811
01:09:04,799 --> 01:09:06,640
>> The only other thing about that is we I

1812
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,960
don't know if collector how long it's

1813
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,120
been since they had a capital plan, but

1814
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,279
um within the next few months, you'll

1815
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:16,239
see a a 10ear capital plan from us that

1816
01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:18,239
begins to lay this out. We actually had

1817
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:20,719
a full analysis of our system to look at

1818
01:09:20,719 --> 01:09:22,319
deficiencies and tell us what's not

1819
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:24,560
looking right and why. And so we'll be

1820
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:26,159
in a position to start laying that out

1821
01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:28,080
for you. So you won't be surprised in

1822
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,120
the future by what's coming.

1823
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,839
>> Great.

1824
01:09:33,839 --> 01:09:35,040
>> Thank you.

1825
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:36,640
very much.

1826
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:38,947
>> I'm really passionate about this place.

1827
01:09:38,947 --> 01:09:39,759
[laughter]

1828
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:41,839
>> It's kind of scary.

1829
01:09:41,839 --> 01:09:42,960
>> I'm getting less.

1830
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,040
>> I just have one question about that

1831
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,040
note. Did you any of us to authorize

1832
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,040
anybody in that motion for other

1833
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:50,799
signatures?

1834
01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:53,349
>> Um I think good with just the

1835
01:09:53,358 --> 01:09:53,359
[clears throat]

1836
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:55,600
>> I think just the signatures is fine. I

1837
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,280
just noticed other places. Okay.

1838
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,000
>> Yeah. Yep. No, I think that we have

1839
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,840
>> three and then two.

1840
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:07,440
>> Okay. Okay. Great. Thank you.

1841
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:09,600
>> Next we have item five board to appoint

1842
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,080
three board members and alternates to

1843
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,440
the development review board. We had uh

1844
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:17,360
five

1845
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,640
letters in our folders. Um there are

1846
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:24,239
three three-year terms ending um well

1847
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:27,040
two three-year terms ending 6:3028 and

1848
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,080
one three-year term ending 6:3029

1849
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:31,840
and then there are two alternates for

1850
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,360
those terms. So that will leave one

1851
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,760
opening for an alternate or no we see

1852
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:38,640
two.

1853
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:39,120
>> So

1854
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:40,640
>> if we appoint all these people we were

1855
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,320
told

1856
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:46,880
>> right but I think um if you I think

1857
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,120
there's one we don't normally have

1858
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,960
alternates for DRB, so it'd be one

1859
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:53,760
alternate.

1860
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:55,840
>> Kristen asked for two in her email.

1861
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:56,239
>> Yeah,

1862
01:10:56,239 --> 01:10:56,880
>> she did.

1863
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:58,239
>> Yeah, the email's right there.

1864
01:10:58,239 --> 01:10:58,560
>> Yeah.

1865
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,920
>> Okay. Well,

1866
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:03,760
that's changed since she stopped me, but

1867
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:04,640
that's fine. [clears throat]

1868
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:06,560
Because is there another person that

1869
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,560
just

1870
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:12,390
>> there?

1871
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:13,440
» Oh yeah.

1872
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:14,560
>> Okay.

1873
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,920
>> So, uh, Grace Jstone said she would be

1874
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,960
an alternate and then the last person

1875
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,199
agreed to be an alternate. The other

1876
01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:26,000
three would be

1877
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,199
um

1878
01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:28,400
>> they want the seat, not the

1879
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:29,360
>> They want the seats.

1880
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:33,120
>> So, who's the fifth person? And I see

1881
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:34,159
four letters.

1882
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:37,120
>> The lady yesterday didn't get us a

1883
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:38,560
letter quite yet.

1884
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,440
>> Oh, so there's So there's currently four

1885
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:42,800
three openings.

1886
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:43,360
>> Yeah.

1887
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,760
>> Four people. One of the four is willing

1888
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:46,800
to be an alternate,

1889
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:47,679
>> right?

1890
01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:48,960
>> So,

1891
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:50,320
>> can we just see their names?

1892
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:51,920
>> Yeah. I was going to move I was going to

1893
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:53,199
make two motions.

1894
01:11:53,199 --> 01:11:55,920
>> Yeah. Go for Um, I would move that we

1895
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:57,520
appoint

1896
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,239
to the open seats Peter Moscowitz, Joe

1897
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:01,840
Nudell,

1898
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,520
and Daffhne Calmar. And that we um

1899
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,920
that's one motion.

1900
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:09,040
>> Can we just do it in one motion?

1901
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:11,520
>> And then the and and yes, the continuing

1902
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,040
that same motion and appoint Grace

1903
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,600
Jstone as an alternate to the the the

1904
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:18,719
DRB.

1905
01:12:18,719 --> 01:12:19,600
>> Second.

1906
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:21,840
>> Any discussion?

1907
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:22,880
>> Great. all those

1908
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,120
>> and you guys don't care where I placed

1909
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,040
them in the terms

1910
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:28,480
>> because there's different

1911
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:30,800
>> Did any of them I don't specified?

1912
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:31,920
>> Nobody specified?

1913
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:32,800
>> Nope.

1914
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,880
>> No, I think what

1915
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:36,320
>> are the terms?

1916
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,480
>> It's two year. It's basically they're

1917
01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:41,120
all threeear terms, but

1918
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:42,880
two of them phase out in 28 and one of

1919
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,120
them phases out in 29.

1920
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:46,320
>> Oh, so they're going in the middle.

1921
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,880
They're they're taking over.

1922
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:52,640
>> I I think give Joe the long one. Yeah,

1923
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:54,000
it's not part of the motion, so you'll

1924
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,750
have to figure that out. [laughter]

1925
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:58,960
» You're welcome, Joe.

1926
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:00,560
>> I just want to thank them for stepping

1927
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,000
up. I mean,

1928
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:03,199
>> you know, not had some good

1929
01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:04,719
conversations with Joe. That's

1930
01:13:04,719 --> 01:13:05,600
>> Yeah, I bet.

1931
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:06,000
>> I'm good.

1932
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:07,520
>> Okay. Do you have everything you need to

1933
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:09,040
for that motion? Okay. All those in

1934
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:10,800
favor, please signify by saying I.

1935
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:11,440
>> I.

1936
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:13,199
oppose.

1937
01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:14,800
>> Extensions. Great. Thank you everybody

1938
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,000
for volunteering. That's really

1939
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:16,960
important. Yeah.

1940
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:17,920
>> Um, next we have select [clears throat]

1941
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:19,040
board to consider approving a

1942
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,040
manufacturers's tier 3 renewal for

1943
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:29,110
Tillia Processing LLC.

1944
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,040
» Is there any reason? Yep.

1945
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:37,189
>> We've had no issues.

1946
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:38,560
» He said we've had no issue. I said, "Is

1947
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,000
there any reason not to approve it?"

1948
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,679
>> Oh, it wasn't. I'm sorry. I was signing.

1949
01:13:41,679 --> 01:13:42,560
I wasn't listening.

1950
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,640
>> Approving a manufacturing tier three. Is

1951
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,080
that

1952
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:47,280
>> Yeah. [laughter]

1953
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:48,320
>> What is it?

1954
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,640
>> You were someone referred to you. Sorry.

1955
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,880
>> No, this isn't alcohol or tobacco. This

1956
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:54,000
is cannabis.

1957
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,000
>> Tillia process can

1958
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:57,600
>> processing as a cannabis.

1959
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,600
>> It's all They're all cannabis

1960
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,679
manufacturers tier three.

1961
01:14:01,679 --> 01:14:03,440
>> Sounds like you're making a motion.

1962
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:05,679
>> Sure. I I move to approve a

1963
01:14:05,679 --> 01:14:07,679
manufacturers's tier three renewal for

1964
01:14:07,679 --> 01:14:10,000
processing LLC.

1965
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,199
>> I'll second that.

1966
01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:12,960
>> Any other discussion or questions?

1967
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:17,030
>> Huh? guy.

1968
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:17,360
» Okay.

1969
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,520
>> You're from Tillia Manufacturer. No,

1970
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:20,719
>> I didn't think so. You're from Queen

1971
01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:21,520
Cannabis.

1972
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:22,080
>> Nope.

1973
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:22,719
>> No.

1974
01:14:22,719 --> 01:14:23,600
>> The other one.

1975
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,360
>> Wrong. [laughter] I'm voting. Just keep

1976
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:25,840
going.

1977
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:26,400
>> All right. So,

1978
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:27,840
>> all those in favor, please signify by

1979
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:28,400
saying I.

1980
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:29,280
>> I.

1981
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,760
Opposed. [cough and clears throat]

1982
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,080
>> All right. Next, we have item seven.

1983
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,520
>> I'll make a motion to approve the

1984
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,280
cultivation tier one renewal license for

1985
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:38,880
DCB LLC.

1986
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:39,920
>> Can I just do that?

1987
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:43,600
>> Is it any reason not to? Is violations

1988
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:44,239
or anything?

1989
01:14:44,239 --> 01:14:46,080
>> No violations, no issues.

1990
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:47,040
>> Okay,

1991
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:48,080
>> I'll second that.

1992
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:49,440
>> Great. Any other discussion? I want to

1993
01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:50,960
say we appreciate you coming every

1994
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,360
single year.

1995
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,280
>> Nobody ever Nobody No, it's appreciated.

1996
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:56,880
So, thank you for coming.

1997
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,280
>> Any questions? I got answers.

1998
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:00,719
>> All those in favor? Any other

1999
01:15:00,719 --> 01:15:02,159
discussion?

2000
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:03,760
>> All those in favor, please signify by

2001
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:04,480
saying I.

2002
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:05,120
>> I.

2003
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,960
Opposed extensions. Great. Next we

2004
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,199
have item eight, select four to consider

2005
01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:13,040
approving cultivator. Oops.

2006
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:13,760
>> Right.

2007
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,480
>> No, because we added Oh, sorry. Okay.

2008
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:17,840
Item eight, SE board to consider

2009
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:19,760
approving a cultivation tier 3 renewal

2010
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,000
license for the Clean Cannabis Company.

2011
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,120
>> So moved.

2012
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:24,320
>> Second.

2013
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:25,600
>> Any discussion?

2014
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,760
>> Second, Larry. Larry.

2015
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,032
>> Clar to cut you off on the one before.

2016
01:15:30,032 --> 01:15:30,800
[laughter]

2017
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,040
>> Okay. All those in favor, please say I.

2018
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:33,920
>> I. I.

2019
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:37,040
>> Opposions. Great. All eyes. Next we have

2020
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:38,640
item nine. Select court to review the

2021
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:40,239
North Main Street storm water bids,

2022
01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:41,679
select a contractor, and authorize the

2023
01:15:41,679 --> 01:15:44,800
town manager to execute the contract.

2024
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,000
>> Okay.

2025
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,120
>> We're back on

2026
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:52,640
>> Main Street Storm Water Bits. Go.

2027
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:56,960
>> So, anything to recap on this?

2028
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:58,320
>> Can you just give us like the one

2029
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,080
sentence version of what the project is?

2030
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:01,360
Like one sentence?

2031
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:02,480
>> FEMA damage.

2032
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:06,000
North Main Street

2033
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:10,070
Storm Water. Okay.

2034
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,040
» It's the outfall to the storm water

2035
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:14,960
system that was installed at the Judine

2036
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:16,480
Mansion

2037
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:22,159
and it's um it was damaged in uh 4810

2038
01:16:22,159 --> 01:16:25,360
the 24 flood. So it's just the outfall

2039
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,320
to an overflow, a new valve and to

2040
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:30,000
rebuild the wall.

2041
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,110
>> Okay.

2042
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:41,750
And this is fully covered by FEMA 90%.

2043
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,480
» I like keeping it local

2044
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:46,719
>> also happens to be the cheapest.

2045
01:16:46,719 --> 01:16:47,920
>> Yep.

2046
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:48,400
>> Where?

2047
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:49,520
>> Well, the second cheapest

2048
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:50,800
>> the the cheapest

2049
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:51,679
>> with references

2050
01:16:51,679 --> 01:16:54,159
>> is the proposed um completion. They did

2051
01:16:54,159 --> 01:16:55,679
not provide the references they did not

2052
01:16:55,679 --> 01:16:57,440
provide. So technically their bid is

2053
01:16:57,440 --> 01:16:57,920
incomplete,

2054
01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:58,480
>> right? They didn't,

2055
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:01,840
>> right? An incomplete bid on that. I mean

2056
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,679
I'm

2057
01:17:03,679 --> 01:17:06,320
>> Can you get a question please?

2058
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,040
The my only question is

2059
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,920
>> the completion um what does it mean

2060
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:13,679
substantial completion expected? Oh,

2061
01:17:13,679 --> 01:17:15,600
okay. Earlier. So, they were basically

2062
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,120
saying like end of the year max,

2063
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,040
>> but everybody else is committing to like

2064
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,199
it's like it's like a month earlier that

2065
01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:22,400
>> they're giving themsel they're giving

2066
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:23,440
themselves a little bit of a

2067
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:25,440
>> Yeah, I can't

2068
01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:26,400
>> vote on this

2069
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:30,159
>> cuz gravel that's my wife. But, um I

2070
01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:32,159
asked her about it last night and it's

2071
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:35,440
just the check valve is out. shows where

2072
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:37,280
we can get it done and then just go back

2073
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,600
and do that real quick. So, it's simple.

2074
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:41,840
>> It's a specialized check valve

2075
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,440
>> that keeps water from flowing into the

2076
01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:48,640
uh system in high water.

2077
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,719
>> It sound like it was a quick easy once

2078
01:17:50,719 --> 01:17:52,880
it's in type of thing. Just

2079
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:53,280
>> Oh, yeah.

2080
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,840
>> Like once the check valves there'll be

2081
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:57,520
Yeah. Like we'll be done in half a day

2082
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,159
type of thing.

2083
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:01,840
>> So, did you make a motion? I don't

2084
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,440
>> I didn't make a motion. No. Are you

2085
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:05,280
going to or should I

2086
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,000
>> do it, Larry?

2087
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:08,719
I mean, if you guys

2088
01:18:08,719 --> 01:18:11,760
>> No, if he was going, I would go for it.

2089
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:15,280
Uh, then I will make a motion to What do

2090
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:19,830
I have to say? Um,

2091
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,440
» yeah.

2092
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:23,120
No, I want to say that. uh to

2093
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,199
select I would make a motion to select

2094
01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:28,239
Gravel Con uh Construction Company

2095
01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:31,920
Incorporated and authorize the town

2096
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:35,280
manager to execute a contract for the

2097
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:37,040
North Main Street storm water system

2098
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:38,640
repair

2099
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:43,440
>> in the amount of 29,17.

2100
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:45,280
>> Second.

2101
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,760
>> Any discussion?

2102
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,080
>> Great. All those in favor please say I.

2103
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:50,640
I

2104
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:51,120
>> I

2105
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,600
>> opposed abstensions.

2106
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:54,560
>> You're abstaining.

2107
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:55,120
>> Yeah,

2108
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,920
>> we probably should.

2109
01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:59,600
>> Okay. Next, we have item 10. Second

2110
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,360
board to review and approve theou for

2111
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:02,640
the product rescue portion of the

2112
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:06,080
essential services project. That is also

2113
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:10,790
in our packet.

2114
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:18,310
Okay.

2115
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,800
So, as we were saying earlier, part of

2116
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,199
the goal of this project is to be moving

2117
01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:26,320
all three of these buildings forward at

2118
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,040
the same time for efficiency in

2119
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:29,760
building.

2120
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:30,640
>> Is it?

2121
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,280
>> I think so. Right. That's the That's the

2122
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,600
ideal saying,

2123
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:37,760
>> which I think is why we're doing anou

2124
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:38,400
right now.

2125
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:39,040
>> Mhm.

2126
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:39,760
>> Right.

2127
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,040
>> Mhm.

2128
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,040
>> Is there anything you

2129
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:49,750
>> That's That's my goal as a selectman.

2130
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:50,320
Go on.

2131
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:54,719
>> Yeah. So, um, this NLU, do you OP, since

2132
01:19:54,719 --> 01:19:56,400
you've worked with HRS quite a bit, I

2133
01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:03,669
wanted to talk about their timing and

2134
01:20:03,679 --> 01:20:05,120
» I don't.

2135
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,920
>> Okay.

2136
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,320
The only question I had was happy with

2137
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:24,870
this ammonia.

2138
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,709
» Okay.

2139
01:20:28,719 --> 01:20:30,480
Uh

2140
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:36,550
I think that's my Okay. What?

2141
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:37,760
do you guys want to do?

2142
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:39,360
>> I don't I mean

2143
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:45,590
>> so construction cost is 72% town

2144
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,640
» they're 28%. What is is that on the

2145
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,600
total of everything or I don't I don't

2146
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,760
know.

2147
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:55,360
>> So

2148
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:59,199
that was my question too. Um I think my

2149
01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:00,640
understanding is

2150
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:02,960
>> initial design and construction

2151
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:06,320
>> is that on the six million and then this

2152
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,640
4.1

2153
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:10,400
which would be 10

2154
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:11,040
>> I

2155
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:12,560
>> off of that bond that we just

2156
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,320
>> No, I don't think it's related to that.

2157
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:15,199
Is it

2158
01:21:15,199 --> 01:21:15,679
>> I I

2159
01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:18,000
>> it must be regarding the construction.

2160
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,000
So this mill is only regarding the

2161
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:21,600
construction

2162
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,239
of a new rescue fire building. So fire

2163
01:21:24,239 --> 01:21:26,719
and rescue not the garage. So the garage

2164
01:21:26,719 --> 01:21:29,280
is totally is separate at the moment

2165
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:30,719
>> and it's I don't know it's kind of hard

2166
01:21:30,719 --> 01:21:32,320
to

2167
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:33,679
>> So the um

2168
01:21:33,679 --> 01:21:37,040
>> we don't know fire part of it

2169
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:38,960
>> I think unless fire rescue building

2170
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:40,719
doesn't mean well cuz it's going to be

2171
01:21:40,719 --> 01:21:42,560
right the building the plan calls for

2172
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:43,760
kind of shared

2173
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:44,080
>> right

2174
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:45,679
>> shared building right I'm just saying

2175
01:21:45,679 --> 01:21:48,239
>> connect the connected building

2176
01:21:48,239 --> 01:21:52,800
>> to approve like estimated cost all like

2177
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:54,719
we don't know what FEMA is going to give

2178
01:21:54,719 --> 01:21:57,750
to the

2179
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,000
So this so just to back just to

2180
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:04,239
backtrack this is purely um

2181
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:08,480
>> so the in the conceptual design we have

2182
01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:11,280
a building that's being shared by the

2183
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,840
fire department and rescue. So in the

2184
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,159
current design, there's one side of the

2185
01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:18,960
building is the fire department. There's

2186
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:20,080
a shared space

2187
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:21,040
>> the shared space with the

2188
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:23,840
>> and then there's a hardwood rescue side

2189
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,920
in the current in the current design. So

2190
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,560
that is one building.

2191
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:30,480
Those two pieces, those two kind of

2192
01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:32,960
separate pieces would be paid for

2193
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,199
separately. But a part of this, there's

2194
01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:37,760
combined site work for that building.

2195
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:39,360
Then there's also combined

2196
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,600
>> work for the central space. And so that

2197
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:43,199
central space is like there's a meeting

2198
01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:46,639
room, there's lockers, there's that

2199
01:22:46,639 --> 01:22:48,159
>> long wait room or something

2200
01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:49,600
>> what whatever that is. And then the town

2201
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:51,840
garage building is a completely separate

2202
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:54,000
building also in the same and not

2203
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:55,679
covered at all by theou because we're

2204
01:22:55,679 --> 01:22:56,880
not sharing that with

2205
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:57,280
>> correct

2206
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:01,600
>> fire and rescue. So can we do we know is

2207
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,719
the percentage for construction costs is

2208
01:23:04,719 --> 01:23:06,560
that essentially the percentage of the

2209
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:10,080
building like we fire no fire is

2210
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,679
covering 72% and res I mean is occupying

2211
01:23:13,679 --> 01:23:15,040
72%.

2212
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:15,520
>> Yeah

2213
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:17,600
>> and rescue is 28 like how do we know

2214
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,080
where those numbers come from? So my

2215
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:21,040
understanding and

2216
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:22,719
>> I mean

2217
01:23:22,719 --> 01:23:25,440
to to fully explain it to us. My

2218
01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:27,600
understanding is that these numbers

2219
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,800
>> were put forward by the architect who

2220
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,880
put the concept together.

2221
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:33,280
>> Okay.

2222
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:37,679
>> Um we can decide to not include those

2223
01:23:37,679 --> 01:23:40,159
percentages and

2224
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:43,120
reward that to say something like these

2225
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,520
percentages will be implemented.

2226
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:46,400
I don't

2227
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,560
>> to match the footprint of the building.

2228
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:51,679
>> I think this is our opportunity to ask

2229
01:23:51,679 --> 01:23:53,440
questions and say these are things that

2230
01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:55,280
we might want to change and then put it

2231
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:58,639
back on her rescue to then potentially

2232
01:23:58,639 --> 01:24:00,159
make those changes. So if like that's a

2233
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:03,440
sticking point for us that percentages,

2234
01:24:03,440 --> 01:24:04,800
>> it's not so much it's I mean I don't

2235
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:06,080
feel like it's a sticking point. It's

2236
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:07,840
just a point of understanding.

2237
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:09,520
>> Yeah, I'm sure

2238
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,120
>> we're paying more because it's going to

2239
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:12,960
be a bigger portion of it. It's going to

2240
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,199
take I mean it's this big and that big.

2241
01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:16,000
I mean,

2242
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,639
>> but I'd just like to know that.

2243
01:24:18,639 --> 01:24:19,760
>> Do we take

2244
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:23,040
>> Do we know if we if is there an urgency

2245
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,440
in in approving this tonight?

2246
01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:26,080
>> Do we know?

2247
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:27,600
>> You don't know that.

2248
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,080
>> Well, I think I mean I think that's one

2249
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:31,679
question,

2250
01:24:31,679 --> 01:24:33,040
you know, where do those numbers come

2251
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,960
from and why why those percentages? Not that it's a sticking point, but just

2252
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,679
that it I I just want I mean I have

2253
01:24:39,679 --> 01:24:41,280
questions right before we Yeah. I mean,

2254
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:42,000
it would be great to have

2255
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:43,920
>> I would also like to ask about the cost

2256
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,320
for rescue would also speak to those.

2257
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:46,800
So,

2258
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:48,159
>> and I'd like to learn a little more

2259
01:24:48,159 --> 01:24:50,239
about covering the cost of potential

2260
01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:51,520
soil contamination.

2261
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:52,400
>> Do you have to move?

2262
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:55,120
>> That's on the town only to take no

2263
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:55,679
action.

2264
01:24:55,679 --> 01:24:57,120
>> I think we just don't take action.

2265
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:58,800
>> I don't think so either.

2266
01:24:58,800 --> 01:24:59,760
>> We don't move.

2267
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:00,880
>> So, if we're not going to take any

2268
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,120
action, I think it's important to lay

2269
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:04,800
out the specific questions that they

2270
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:06,960
that we have so that way they can be

2271
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,159
addressed. So, one of them, Larry, do

2272
01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:11,520
you want to just restate that?

2273
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,560
>> I I would just like to know more about

2274
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,600
why just, you know, if the why is the

2275
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:20,800
town why would the town cover all of the

2276
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:25,750
costs of potential soil contamination

2277
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:27,120
and and there might be a good reason.

2278
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:28,320
You know, again, these aren't I'm not

2279
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:29,840
like saying no. I just want to

2280
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,080
understand what I'm approving before I

2281
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:32,800
approve it.

2282
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:34,480
>> Okay. So, that would be one question.

2283
01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:36,320
And then Derek, your question was about

2284
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:40,950
the percentages. Yeah,

2285
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:41,520
» like

2286
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:43,120
>> I mean I guess it kind of explains the

2287
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:44,880
initial design and construction for the

2288
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,679
facility equipment will be shared.

2289
01:25:47,679 --> 01:25:50,400
>> I'm assuming because the fire station's

2290
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,080
bigger,

2291
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:53,520
>> but I don't I'm not I don't want to

2292
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:54,080
assume

2293
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:55,760
>> right right on an [clears throat]

2294
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:59,199
assumption. So maybe maybe your ask is

2295
01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:02,480
that the wording under [clears throat]

2296
01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:03,600
financial arrangements under

2297
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:07,199
construction costs is clarified

2298
01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:08,480
which parts of the building.

2299
01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:10,560
>> Right. I guess yeah I don't really

2300
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,040
>> just more clarification.

2301
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:14,320
>> It's in my brain. I just can't

2302
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:18,480
>> Okay. Um, and of course we don't know

2303
01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:20,719
I think but

2304
01:26:20,719 --> 01:26:25,440
purpose and scope that 4.1 is estimated

2305
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:28,000
cost for the rescue bill.

2306
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:31,440
What's the fire?

2307
01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:33,040
>> The fire is not on there.

2308
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,679
>> And the and the fire we would be I mean

2309
01:26:35,679 --> 01:26:37,920
we're hoping to have 90% covered by FEMA

2310
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:38,239
but

2311
01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:39,840
>> right what's the number like what's the

2312
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,320
estimated cost of the fire portion of

2313
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,320
the build?

2314
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:45,199
It's not in here,

2315
01:26:45,199 --> 01:26:46,639
>> right?

2316
01:26:46,639 --> 01:26:48,639
>> I think it's pretty like a little

2317
01:26:48,639 --> 01:26:53,189
misleading. I don't know.

2318
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:54,719
» Well, I don't think it's misleading. I

2319
01:26:54,719 --> 01:26:56,320
think that we It's our first time doing

2320
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:57,199
this.

2321
01:26:57,199 --> 01:26:59,440
>> Is this on a timeline same thing as that

2322
01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:00,800
bond or No,

2323
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:01,920
>> this is separate from the bond.

2324
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:03,280
>> I think it's separate. Yeah. So, I think

2325
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:04,800
there would be time to ask questions and

2326
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:06,400
then come back. [clears throat]

2327
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,600
>> Um, we can also if other questions,

2328
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:10,560
Sounds like the board's not going to

2329
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:11,600
take action tonight. So, if there are

2330
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,639
other questions, we can provide those to

2331
01:27:14,639 --> 01:27:16,719
the rescue.

2332
01:27:16,719 --> 01:27:20,080
>> Um, it probably does make sense to see

2333
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,320
if this can be an item on the next

2334
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:26,400
agenda if we're not making today.

2335
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:28,239
>> Okay.

2336
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:30,400
All right. So, we're not taking action

2337
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,280
discussion. Um some of the language and

2338
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:36,435
under funding under operational funding

2339
01:27:36,435 --> 01:27:38,470
[clears throat]

2340
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:42,560
should probably be clarified. Um in

2341
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:46,239
terms of uh shared how uh a couple

2342
01:27:46,239 --> 01:27:48,080
things it says will be shared or will

2343
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:51,679
equally be responsible. Does it is it is

2344
01:27:51,679 --> 01:27:54,639
the intent that it'll be

2345
01:27:54,639 --> 01:27:57,360
uh shared with the same ratio as the

2346
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:59,040
construction cost or is there some other

2347
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:02,480
formula? How are they deciding that? I

2348
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:03,840
just think that would be something to

2349
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,080
look into as we go forward.

2350
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,480
>> So, I think that's that.

2351
01:28:08,480 --> 01:28:09,760
>> Are we still in the MOU?

2352
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:10,960
>> So, basically what we're discussing,

2353
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,920
Tim, is there um Larry and Derek had a

2354
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,800
bunch of questions about um like knowing

2355
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:21,120
more about why the town would

2356
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:23,040
or how much we would pay for soil

2357
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,120
contamination, what that line kind of

2358
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:26,000
means. Yeah.

2359
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:27,920
>> Um Dererick is wondering about

2360
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,080
clarifications on the percentages of

2361
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:33,440
construction costs if that like if the

2362
01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:36,159
72% is the fire department part of the

2363
01:28:36,159 --> 01:28:38,960
building and the 38% is the Harbick

2364
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,120
rescue side. But basically just flushing

2365
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:43,280
out that wording so it's kind of more

2366
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:44,000
clear. Right.

2367
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:45,760
>> I think I think that more information I

2368
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:47,360
think we need to have

2369
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:49,040
>> more discussion with the town office and

2370
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,280
with Hardwick Rescue and to kind of to

2371
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:53,520
clarify a lot of these things and

2372
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:55,520
understand where you know the town

2373
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:57,199
office is coming from and also Hardwick

2374
01:28:57,199 --> 01:29:00,080
Rescue. Um I think I would I or someone

2375
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:02,960
from the board should be more engaged in

2376
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:06,800
those discussions and and negotiations

2377
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:09,280
um because that's what it that's what it

2378
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:11,120
seems like. This is a negotiation with

2379
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:14,000
Hardwick Rescue. So, I would like more

2380
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:15,199
clarification on that, which I don't

2381
01:29:15,199 --> 01:29:17,280
think we're going to get tonight. So,

2382
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:18,960
>> I would like to punt that and uh

2383
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,040
>> yeah, that's kind of where we are.

2384
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:22,159
>> We're just catching you up, but we're

2385
01:29:22,159 --> 01:29:24,000
essentially we're essentially gave

2386
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,159
Amanda a bunch of questions and hoping

2387
01:29:26,159 --> 01:29:28,080
to have it be an item at the next

2388
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:29,199
meeting. And hopefully somebody from

2389
01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:30,800
Hard of Rescue can also be there. It'd

2390
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:32,000
be great if you or somebody from the

2391
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,360
board were able to also have a

2392
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:34,719
conversation as well.

2393
01:29:34,719 --> 01:29:36,800
>> Uh, yep. Yep. I will

2394
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,440
>> I'll check in with the town office.

2395
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:42,080
>> Harvard. Is it

2396
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:42,960
>> Meer?

2397
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:43,600
>> I don't know.

2398
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,000
>> I am not sure who put the together.

2399
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,320
>> Okay. So, sounds like item 10 we're

2400
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:48,960
holding on

2401
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:50,639
>> and and in general I think this is a

2402
01:29:50,639 --> 01:29:53,360
good approach. I mean like you know I

2403
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:54,719
don't I don't know what quite what's

2404
01:29:54,719 --> 01:29:57,440
going on at the moment but like

2405
01:29:57,440 --> 01:30:00,159
the all the questions I've got are not

2406
01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:01,600
you know to tenigrate the entire

2407
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,679
process. It's I think it's a good idea

2408
01:30:03,679 --> 01:30:06,159
to have an MOU and I look forward to

2409
01:30:06,159 --> 01:30:07,120
figuring those out.

2410
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:07,520
>> Sure.

2411
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:09,600
>> Not anything more than that. It's not

2412
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:10,800
lack of support for a project.

2413
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:12,159
>> That's what I'm saying. It's not lack of

2414
01:30:12,159 --> 01:30:13,440
support for anything. It's just

2415
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:14,159
questions.

2416
01:30:14,159 --> 01:30:15,920
>> Yeah.

2417
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,080
>> Great. Okay. Okay. Next, we have item

2418
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:20,000
11. S board to authorize town manager to

2419
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:21,440
submit the USDA rural development

2420
01:30:21,440 --> 01:30:22,960
funding application for the wastewater

2421
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:24,639
treatment facility and discuss having a

2422
01:30:24,639 --> 01:30:25,520
public hearing.

2423
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:26,800
>> So moved.

2424
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:28,000
>> Second.

2425
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:29,920
>> Any discussion about that?

2426
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:32,719
>> No, that's just for the potential

2427
01:30:32,719 --> 01:30:34,400
rebuild of it.

2428
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,560
>> Yeah. So, this um we talked about this a

2429
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:38,080
little bit at the last meeting. um and

2430
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:40,800
has been working really hard on putting

2431
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:42,080
options together for the wastewater

2432
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:47,280
treatment facility which is a really amazing effort. Um so this is the

2433
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,360
next step in just actually submitting

2434
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:50,239
that application.

2435
01:30:50,239 --> 01:30:52,480
>> Yeah.

2436
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:53,840
>> Do we have a motion and a second?

2437
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:55,679
>> Can we have a motion? Did you motion?

2438
01:30:55,679 --> 01:30:56,880
>> Oh yeah. And I second.

2439
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:58,080
>> Oh yeah. I don't

2440
01:30:58,080 --> 01:30:59,920
>> any other discussion or question. Let's

2441
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:00,320
do it.

2442
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:01,760
>> All those in favor please signify by

2443
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:02,320
saying I.

2444
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:02,800
>> I.

2445
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:05,520
opposed abstensions.

2446
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:07,440
Great. Next we have select board

2447
01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:08,560
reports.

2448
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:10,880
>> Oh, I have business.

2449
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:12,480
No, no, it's business.

2450
01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:13,840
>> Well, I don't know. Does it, you know,

2451
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:14,960
does

2452
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,360
>> the task force come under old business

2453
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:19,520
or from the court? I don't know which

2454
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:19,920
one.

2455
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:20,239
>> Okay.

2456
01:31:20,239 --> 01:31:22,400
>> Wherever you want me to talk about it

2457
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:25,199
report, which no one's here, I guess we

2458
01:31:25,199 --> 01:31:26,800
got one person.

2459
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:29,199
>> The OP mentioned it at the post office.

2460
01:31:29,199 --> 01:31:31,040
>> That parking lot is shut down from

2461
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:34,800
Friday, probably 9:00 through Monday.

2462
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:37,199
Okay. So, just so everyone knows, it's

2463
01:31:37,199 --> 01:31:39,280
going to be a mess, but it'll be nice

2464
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:40,000
when it's done.

2465
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,000
>> Yeah, I'll

2466
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:45,040
>> till Monday to Sunday. And then last I

2467
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:46,320
knew the paving was going to be when

2468
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:47,600
Grace was here

2469
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:49,199
>> doing our road. So, I I don't know when

2470
01:31:49,199 --> 01:31:50,239
that is.

2471
01:31:50,239 --> 01:31:52,159
>> It'll just be like a grapple surface for

2472
01:31:52,159 --> 01:31:53,199
me for a little bit,

2473
01:31:53,199 --> 01:31:54,320
>> but everything's getting torn up

2474
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:54,880
tomorrow.

2475
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:56,080
>> Cool. All right. [clears throat]

2476
01:31:56,080 --> 01:32:01,270
>> Okay. New business.

2477
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:04,080
» Old business. Just um an update about

2478
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:07,360
the town meeting task, no town meeting

2479
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:11,440
options task force. Um

2480
01:32:11,440 --> 01:32:13,679
first off, we have a survey that if you

2481
01:32:13,679 --> 01:32:16,480
haven't seen, you should. It's been

2482
01:32:16,480 --> 01:32:18,159
posted in many, many places, front

2483
01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:19,760
porch. Uh some people put it on

2484
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:22,960
Facebook. You can get paper copies uh at

2485
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,920
the library, in the town offices. Um we

2486
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:28,239
have a large number of people responding

2487
01:32:28,239 --> 01:32:32,800
already and we're looking for more. Um,

2488
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:37,040
in addition, we've scheduled um a

2489
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:40,320
community gathering to learn more about

2490
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:42,239
the options and the work we've been

2491
01:32:42,239 --> 01:32:46,480
doing um to help inform the report that

2492
01:32:46,480 --> 01:32:49,040
the task force is preparing for the

2493
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:50,800
select board. And that community

2494
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:53,199
gathering is October 14th at 6 p.m. in

2495
01:32:53,199 --> 01:32:58,400
this room. And um we will kind of look

2496
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:00,639
at the work we've been doing, probably

2497
01:33:00,639 --> 01:33:03,520
look at the survey, other information

2498
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:06,000
that's come up uh from from our

2499
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:09,920
research. Um and hear from people and

2500
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:14,480
get people's input. Um and then we plan

2501
01:33:14,480 --> 01:33:16,560
on uh doing the work of writing the

2502
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:18,320
report over those next few weeks after

2503
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:22,560
that. And at the November

2504
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:26,400
19th board meeting, the the the charge

2505
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:28,000
for that task force was to bring

2506
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:29,360
recommendations by, you know, at

2507
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,600
November 19th or by November 19th. So,

2508
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:33,440
we plan to have a report ready to share

2509
01:33:33,440 --> 01:33:37,280
that night. Um, it's been an amazing

2510
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:39,280
process, absolutely phenomenal

2511
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:41,120
discussion. We've had six meetings, I

2512
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:44,080
think, and uh mostly I mean the only

2513
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:45,360
time people have been absent is for

2514
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:48,639
really serious illness. Um, and so it's

2515
01:33:48,639 --> 01:33:50,239
been a great process.

2516
01:33:50,239 --> 01:33:50,639
>> Great.

2517
01:33:50,639 --> 01:33:53,440
>> So, yeah, that's really good. If you

2518
01:33:53,440 --> 01:33:54,639
haven't done the survey, anybody on the

2519
01:33:54,639 --> 01:33:56,800
board, you better do it soon.

2520
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:58,639
>> And that's open until the 29th.

2521
01:33:58,639 --> 01:34:01,199
>> The survey is open till September 29th

2522
01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:02,000
at 5:00 p.m.

2523
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:03,440
>> Okay. [clears throat] So, if anybody

2524
01:34:03,440 --> 01:34:04,960
listening has not completed it,

2525
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:07,360
>> you have a little bit of time, but do it

2526
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:09,360
tonight. [laughter]

2527
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:10,880
>> Great. Thank you. Any other old

2528
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:13,679
business?

2529
01:34:13,679 --> 01:34:15,040
>> I would move to a journ.

2530
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:17,920
>> Okay.

2531
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:22,120
There's new for at 7:95.