1 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,000 Oops. 2 00:00:48,239 --> 00:00:52,200 You know who Michael is 3 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,320 introducing. 4 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,799 What's that? 5 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:32,400 Natural resources land policy committee they go out the roles as far as how they 6 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:37,360 go work on stuff we know yet. 7 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:42,400 » I don't know. Um, seems like that public lands meeting 8 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:48,560 probably quarter of the year that we meet. Oh, that's western interstate 9 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:51,960 stuff though. They meet in person four times a year. 10 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:58,759 Hi, family. Hey, morning. 11 00:02:01,119 --> 00:02:06,079 » Before we get going, I'll ask you to remove your hat, please. 12 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,879 That's ridiculous. 13 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:34,160 » Yeah. So that that one in >> right I just meant work from scratch. Is 14 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:41,280 that a committee where it's done or just also committee 15 00:02:36,879 --> 00:02:46,680 because last year that a great resolution 16 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,680 » guess I'm over by a couple 17 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:54,239 distracted for a minute there. Good morning everybody. It is 9:32 a.m. 18 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:59,800 September 2nd, 2026. Uh county court is in session for regular session. Please 19 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,800 stand and join me for the pledge. 20 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:08,080 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 21 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:15,000 republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 22 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:15,000 justice for all. Thank you. 23 00:03:24,319 --> 00:03:29,519 » County Court. Uh, for the record in attendance, myself, Judge Hart, 24 00:03:28,239 --> 00:03:37,560 Commissioner Frank, and Commissioner Doro, public attendees, 25 00:03:32,239 --> 00:03:37,560 um, we have, uh, 26 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:45,680 Rick, [laughter] 27 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:50,480 » Paul, Paul. There we go. Sheesh. And, uh, Connor gets from the 28 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:55,200 fairgrounds as the fair manager. um online um Michael Miller, Brent 29 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:58,599 Thompson, Hannah Strain, 30 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:11,120 um Bryce, let's say that's Bryce Mertz, Diana Antwell, and Rick Stafer 31 00:04:08,159 --> 00:04:14,840 at the current time. Uh late items, any late items for the agenda? 32 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:21,600 » No. Any amendments or changes relate items to the agenda? 33 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:25,360 » No. >> Agenda approval. 34 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:27,680 » Move to approve the agenda as presented. >> I second. 35 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:32,639 » Motion's been made and second to approve the agenda for county court regular 36 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:37,199 session September 2nd, 2026. Been made and seconded. Any further 37 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,680 conversation, discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. 38 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:41,840 » I. >> I. And 39 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:46,240 » opposed. Hearing none. Motion carries. minutes 40 00:04:43,759 --> 00:04:49,600 approval for August 19th regular session minutes. 41 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:54,000 » Has everyone read it? >> Yeah. And there was only one thing and I 42 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:59,360 couldn't email Danny quick enough, but there was a there was a typo. Chris Pat 43 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,680 node. It's just missing a de. But if you're listening to the minutes and you 44 00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:05,280 don't know her, you wouldn't know it wasn't Chris Pat. No. So, sorry I didn't 45 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:09,759 get that to you sooner. Other than that, >> I changed that for 46 00:05:07,919 --> 00:05:13,520 » Well, they can approve it with that. >> Yep. With that change, 47 00:05:11,039 --> 00:05:17,120 » I move to approve the August 19th Har County Court meeting minutes as 48 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:19,120 discussed. >> Second. 49 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:23,520 » Motion has been made and seconded to approve the Harney County Court regular 50 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:27,680 session minutes from August 19th as discussed with the change as discussed. 51 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:32,960 Any further discussion? Huh? >> All in favor signify by saying I. I 52 00:05:30,479 --> 00:05:37,280 » opposed. Hearing none, motion carries. Opportunity for public comment. Anybody 53 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:41,280 in the room? Rick. >> Rick Paul Burns. Just a reminder that 54 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:45,120 SEAK meets later this month. So any transportation issues you've got, please 55 00:05:43,039 --> 00:05:46,320 get them to us so that we can respond to them. 56 00:05:45,759 --> 00:05:49,280 » Yes. >> Where it's about the 24th I think is the 57 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,840 meeting >> somewhere around there. And I forgot to 58 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,560 look. Where are we at next time? John Day. 59 00:05:52,080 --> 00:06:00,639 » John Day. >> Yeah. Um I was going to 60 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:06,319 ask or inquire at the meeting um about I think this topic's been discussed before 61 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:11,199 but not stop light walk cross crosswalks you know not installing uh stop light 62 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:16,639 ones but just the you know like the flashing caution type of crosswalks. 63 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:21,039 Um, here in town it's I mean traffic is getting crazy and I don't know what all 64 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:24,720 the parameters are for crosswalks and everything but I was going to ask that 65 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:28,160 question. >> I think it's a good question. Every 66 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:34,720 intersection because they crosswalk if it's marked or unmarked sugar they'll 67 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:41,600 say so that any place that there was a in this case or cut uh for the handicap 68 00:06:38,479 --> 00:06:45,280 is is a legitimate cross without a lighter. 69 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:48,880 I was going to inquire about something along the lines as what they have out at 70 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:51,759 Hines where it's the flashing yellow light when they push the button and it 71 00:06:50,319 --> 00:06:55,680 just gets the flashing caution lights. It gets people's attention, you know, 72 00:06:54,080 --> 00:07:00,720 something maybe along those lines in a couple different spots through town. 73 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:03,120 » Yeah, I people don't realize where people are supposed to stop for 74 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,800 crosswalks. >> Yeah, I've seen so many close calls for 75 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:10,720 one car stops and the other car especially in the fourlane zone. 76 00:07:08,479 --> 00:07:14,400 » Right. Right. pressure. >> I was just curious as to a couple of the 77 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:19,520 the main areas that that you've noticed or catch your attention. 78 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:23,919 » Um probably somewhere around um Reeds Lewab. 79 00:07:21,199 --> 00:07:25,039 Uh maybe somewhere around Dairy Queen. >> Yes. 80 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:32,560 » Okay. >> We watch that a lot and people coming 81 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:38,800 over from the motel to days in is DMO almost um daily through there. We watch 82 00:07:36,319 --> 00:07:41,680 that all the time. I don't want to have I don't want to have one at every 83 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:45,039 intersection along the way, but I think, you know, strategically placed two or 84 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:49,520 three of them here or there would be of benefit. Thank you. 85 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:54,160 » I wonder [clears throat] like the slowdown for the burn school that is 86 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:58,639 time activated and comes on at a certain time. I wonder if they could do that if 87 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:01,919 the if the traffic flows over a certain amount, have those come on because when 88 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:05,520 stuff is slow, it's not as much of an issue, but like you said, this summer 89 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:11,759 there's been so much traffic that it is an issue. Yeah. What interrupt? 90 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:16,479 » Yeah. School school zone kicks on. The flashing lights in the school zones kick 91 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:21,199 on at I don't know 6:45ish or so. 6:50ish, 92 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:25,280 something like that. And they're on until about 7:50 93 00:08:23,599 --> 00:08:28,879 cuz I come through at usually about a quarter till they're still flesh. I 94 00:08:26,479 --> 00:08:34,320 think they go off about 7:50. So they're on for 45 minutes to an hour at morning, 95 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:38,479 lunch, and afternoon. >> Sure. seems like they'd maybe be pro 96 00:08:36,719 --> 00:08:42,399 programmable. You know, the technology is not new 97 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,200 technology. >> Certainly something we can bring up and 98 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:50,160 have a discussion, but >> yeah. And and I have a question just in 99 00:08:46,959 --> 00:08:54,320 general. So, um how many seats on the sea act does Harney County have 100 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:57,040 including the cities or any other? >> Five, six, 101 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:01,839 » one, two, three. >> You got one for each city, for the 102 00:08:58,959 --> 00:09:07,040 county, for the tribe and and then at large, which I am six. Yep. 103 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:11,760 Is are there any barriers to helping have more participation or are you 104 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:15,600 satisfied with the level of participation from our county on 105 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:21,920 » I think the representation that we have is fine. Um I think bylaws probably 106 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:24,640 specify which we can always discuss and change but 107 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:30,320 » but ours have pretty good people attending or zooming in regularly. 108 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:36,240 » I mean >> competing schedules. I I give a report 109 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:40,880 written report generally to each of the cities 110 00:09:37,839 --> 00:09:46,880 uh because Brenda and Roxan usually don't attend it. Roxanne has covered the 111 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:51,920 best about zooming in and the tribe I have bitched about constantly. Suzanne 112 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:57,760 does not attend and she does not come in. Well, I I just 113 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:01,120 » if uh if it was the scheduling of it or if it's just something maybe to be 114 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:05,839 revisited to help. It's good to get their input and have them participate. 115 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:12,000 » I've asked the um I know two members of the council of it tribe with the tribe 116 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:16,640 and they have no idea. They don't know really why Susan is appointed because 117 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:22,480 they have a transportation committee and she's not on it. Um, so I suggested 118 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:29,600 they'll try to appoint somebody else who can have more interest, but we're going 119 00:10:26,079 --> 00:10:36,320 to have the issue with them. Um, it's ongoing and really the SEAK doesn't add 120 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:44,480 to it with the boat overpass for the animals out about well post 200 in that 121 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:49,360 area. they're trying to do. And right now the ODOT has an agreement with the 122 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:53,920 trucking industry that they'll have no o overpasses on Highway 20 between Bend 123 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:58,959 and Ontario um so that they can have their oversized 124 00:10:56,399 --> 00:11:03,279 loads go through here. So it may have to be an underpass for 125 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:09,680 the animals to be able to pass through. They are actively working to have an 126 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:14,560 animal overpass. I'm using that word because I don't know 127 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:20,640 what else to use from one a safe pass from one side of the road to the other. 128 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:24,560 » I have my own personal doubts on those on the effectiveness of 129 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:31,279 those uh installations. You know how 130 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:36,079 » it is an ongoing conversation with the northern pyudes and 131 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:40,720 » their planned wildlife project on that highway is an overpass. 132 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:45,120 I I'm using the word overpass because I don't know what else to use. It's either 133 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:49,040 going to be over or under the road. >> Generally a tunnel. 134 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:53,440 » Well, I think the verbage I think the verbiage has been an overpass. 135 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:58,040 » I don't Yeah, I agree. I don't think that's going to be effective at all. 136 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,040 That's ridiculous. 137 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:06,880 » Cak has not been involved in that discussion except where I bring it up. I 138 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:10,720 mean, it's a less than 30 second discussion. 139 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:14,560 Thank you. >> So, anything else? 140 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:17,560 » You got another month. I have one more meeting. 141 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:22,120 » Um, any 142 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:26,519 any comments from anybody online? 143 00:12:32,079 --> 00:12:38,160 I don't hear anything. We'll move on. Um, we don't have any Well, we have the 144 00:12:36,959 --> 00:12:45,120 fair board here. Is there anything you want to brief on the upcoming fair? 145 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:48,000 » It's happening whether I'm or not. >> It does do that. 146 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:52,800 » Uh, I mean, we're looking good for everything so far. So, it's just a 147 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:59,279 matter of all those fun last minute little, oh crap, get it done things. So, 148 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:02,720 » I would agree. I would check my email in two days, but [clears throat] the last 149 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:06,639 that I talked to the building official, he said he didn't work really closely 150 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:10,560 with you and the extension agent. Have you guys planned a walk through yet? 151 00:13:08,639 --> 00:13:17,360 » We just got that done yesterday. Oh, >> and uh Rick said he'd be signing the 152 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:20,160 TCO, I believe, Thursday. Um so, we'll be all good to go there. 153 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:25,120 » Awesome. >> I think there's um electrical 154 00:13:22,079 --> 00:13:33,320 inspections that need to be done today. I believe they're planning on that today 155 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:33,320 » and then TCO on Thursday. 156 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:40,399 » Um, for the just for the record, so to speak, I I'm pretty sure we had talked 157 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:44,079 about it, but I had a member of the public ask me the other day about some 158 00:13:41,839 --> 00:13:47,760 of the recent uh department head type positions that we filled. And so for 159 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:53,279 those people who missed it, whatever. Congratulations. Connor Githens is our 160 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:59,440 fair manager. Um, we also, um, hired a new juvenile director, Jeremy Thomas, 161 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:03,440 and, um, emergency manager in the throws of the fires, Carrie Conway. So, those 162 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:07,519 three positions, just for the record, somebody said they hadn't heard, so I'm 163 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:13,680 restating them. I think we have stated those before, but just in case. 164 00:14:11,199 --> 00:14:19,440 Um, old business, fair wash rack. Um, I wanted to add 165 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:24,800 this. Um, and the the building official the building official is online, uh, 166 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:29,199 Rick Stoffer. But, um, I need to clarify in in our discussion on July 15th, it 167 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:33,360 was discussed about the construction of the wash rack and whether or not it was 168 00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:39,040 being connected to a potable water source or a a wellwater source. Um, and 169 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:42,880 it was said that it was being connected to a wellwater source, but there's been 170 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:48,560 some concern that it was actually connected to a potable water source. And 171 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:55,519 then therefore the permitting and licensed plumber requirements and the um 172 00:14:53,519 --> 00:15:00,720 the mode of connection the type of connection all comes into play. So um I 173 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:05,680 want to verify one way or the other whether this was if if somebody can 174 00:15:02,959 --> 00:15:10,160 honor um somebody commissioner Frank as the leison on the fair board if somebody 175 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:13,839 can verify whether or not that was a potable water source or a well wellwater 176 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:19,360 source. >> I'll tell you what I know. Um firstly 177 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:22,720 the fair board asked that we table this and not have discussion or take action 178 00:15:21,279 --> 00:15:25,519 until they can be present because none of them could be present today. But I 179 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:30,000 said we're going to have discussion about it anyway. So I'll share what I 180 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:33,440 know. One of the fair board members who is the liazison to the livestock 181 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:38,639 committee and is involved in a lot of volunteer work down there told me the 182 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:43,680 following. They had to dig up a line because it was broken because when it 183 00:15:40,959 --> 00:15:46,959 was installed they back filled with pit run and as it settled the line broke 184 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:52,639 » a line that was >> a previous line just a previous water 185 00:15:49,759 --> 00:15:55,839 » connected to potable or or irrigation well 186 00:15:53,279 --> 00:15:59,839 » I don't know they had a broken line so they had a hole there exposed they had 187 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:05,519 reached out in July to all the available local plumbers to hook this project up 188 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:11,519 and still had heard nothing back and there was two weeks to there. And so 189 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:15,040 there was a 4-in white PVC line, which is usually 190 00:16:13,279 --> 00:16:20,560 consistent with what would come from an irrigation well. And so 191 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:26,160 they use their expertise to tie into that water line. They absolutely did not 192 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:31,360 tie into a C900 line, which is a city water line. And that's as much as I know 193 00:16:29,199 --> 00:16:38,399 about that. And there was also some question and concern about the hangman 194 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:42,160 being off of metered water. And I I'm not sure where the water comes from for 195 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:46,959 that hangman. But one of the discussions that we had had when John Lar Garza came 196 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:50,959 to town was if we could get some technical assistance or some master 197 00:16:49,199 --> 00:16:54,720 planning to identify where all the electrical infrastructure is, where all 198 00:16:53,040 --> 00:17:00,320 the water infrastructure is because right now no one's sure which lines are 199 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:04,079 coming from where is my understanding. But that's what happened with hooking up 200 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:08,640 the wash. No one. >> I don't think so. 201 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:11,199 That for for example, one of the things that we talked about that fairboard 202 00:17:09,919 --> 00:17:17,039 meeting the other night is there are some weird there's some sprinkler stubs 203 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:21,679 out in the parking area that aren't being used anymore. And it was suggested 204 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:25,199 we should just tear those lines out so that it would be easier to maintain that 205 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:31,440 area. But >> when when the underground infrastructure 206 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:35,600 stuff was was being done a few years ago as part of all this capital improvement 207 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:40,960 that had to be done first, isn't it all lined out? What professional or city or 208 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:44,080 county entity has that information on >> any new stuff that went in should 209 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:47,440 absolutely be mapped out and there should be a record of that? But all the 210 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:51,760 old stuff I I don't know if there is a 211 00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:55,760 comprehensive layout of what what old stuff is where. And so I know the 212 00:17:54,480 --> 00:18:00,480 concern with whether or not it's portable water or the irrigation water 213 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:05,120 has to do with backflow devices. >> So So when at the last a few a few 214 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:12,880 county court meetings ago when there was a discussion and it sounded like uh fair 215 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:17,679 board chair and former fair manager said we have eight eight you know acres of of 216 00:18:15,919 --> 00:18:22,799 irrigation water rights. And it, you know, I've got the impression they knew 217 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:26,080 where it is, was knew what they were talking about on that. Or are you saying 218 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:30,320 there's not clarity on that now? >> Oh, no. They have a well that has an 219 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:34,880 irrigation water, right? They just don't know where all the infrastructure that's 220 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:39,120 been put in in the last 40 or 50 years is going to that. And that hangman, for 221 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:45,039 example, according to their recollection, has been installed for at 222 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:49,360 least 22 years. And so it would take some testing shutting off the metered 223 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:54,559 water to see if you still have water there. And they try not to use it anyway 224 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:59,440 because according to one of the fair board members that works on that stuff 225 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:03,200 and has expertise in the area, it hammer slams when you turn it off. If people 226 00:19:01,679 --> 00:19:07,679 fill up out of it and they don't turn the valves off the right way, it slams 227 00:19:05,039 --> 00:19:12,799 and it causes a problem. And so they said if there is an issue with the way 228 00:19:09,919 --> 00:19:16,080 they installed that water rack, it was two weeks till fair and they need 229 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:21,280 to water that water act. So they hooked into a line that was available. If we 230 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:25,440 need to re-evaluate that would be a good time to maybe re-evaluate some of these 231 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:28,799 other water sources as well because I also don't know what serves the water 232 00:19:27,039 --> 00:19:33,360 that goes back behind the arena. I don't know if that's the irrigation well or 233 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:40,640 city water. So um 234 00:19:35,679 --> 00:19:44,799 » so those pass were there 50 years. >> Um 235 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:49,520 anyway so so that those yes those were my concerns as well on the on the 236 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:54,320 metered water if if we tied into a metered water supply which in the 237 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:58,240 meeting of July 15th the the fair president and the former fair manager 238 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:02,559 both indicated that that line they were tying into was the well line. Not I mean 239 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:06,320 they indicated during that meeting they were confident that it was the well 240 00:20:03,919 --> 00:20:11,679 line. So that's what that's what I went on that's what we went on at that time I 241 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:17,440 believe. Um I don't know and I can't I don't know as we can say I guess I guess 242 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:21,280 the test I would propose is um make sure there's no other metered water running. 243 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:24,960 Go out there and turn on that wash rack and turn on that hangman and see if the 244 00:20:23,039 --> 00:20:30,000 meter runs when you turn it on. If it is then that's metered water. And I have I 245 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:34,799 have I have concerns then and I realize that the the the jumble of lines and not 246 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:39,360 knowing what's what or whatever. But I have a real concern then about using 247 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:43,039 pouring dollars on the ground because that hangman is going to be used for 248 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:49,120 watering the arena, watering the track, watering other other areas for dust 249 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:53,679 abatement and um and then the wash rack for washing animals down that could be 250 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:58,559 used out of an agricultural source. Again, I don't I think the ter 251 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:03,039 determination is is to find out and and a good mapping of resources out there or 252 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:08,159 utilities and infrastructure would be a good would be a good step forward. But 253 00:21:05,679 --> 00:21:10,960 for the time being, I think a simple test of turning on the water and see if 254 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:18,000 the meter's running or not would be a good good layman's test. 255 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:23,360 » Add my little bit. So, talking with Lindsay, 256 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:30,240 um the all of the hydrants along the arena on inside the track, that is all 257 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:35,600 off of CityWA. Um and when Rick came to me about all of 258 00:21:32,159 --> 00:21:43,760 this, I double checked with Lindsay and shot her a text on August 27th and asked 259 00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:49,039 her if that line that feeds the hangman behind the arena is potable water. and 260 00:21:45,679 --> 00:21:56,320 she did confirm that it is. Um, which is the line that is that now has the wash 261 00:21:52,000 --> 00:22:02,080 rack hooked into it. Um, and that leak in the line is to the line that feeds 262 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:07,840 the hangman. And so that's where they tied in the wash rack. And I have I have 263 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:13,200 the text from her that says um I asked her if it's potable water and she 264 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:17,679 replied with yes. Um, so that's that's what I know on that. So, 265 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:22,240 » did she know she did she discover that later on? Because I can replay it. The 266 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,080 July 15th meeting, they both said it was the wellwater. 267 00:22:23,679 --> 00:22:28,400 » Yeah, >> I it was my understanding and it was 268 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:35,280 clear in that meeting that if we hooked into the wellwater, we didn't need the 269 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:39,280 certified plumber and the permit. What I'm guessing is that a volunteer 270 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:42,880 that was helping recognize we can't get a plumber out 271 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:46,480 here and there's a water line right there and we need water. So, we're going 272 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:50,400 to hook into it. He suggested that if there is a problem with that after fair 273 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:54,880 is over, it's nothing to dig it down, cab that off, and do whatever they need 274 00:22:52,880 --> 00:23:00,159 because it sounds like potentially if that's not the well line, they're going 275 00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:07,120 to have to run quite a ways line to get to the well line. I guess that that's my 276 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:11,440 understanding as well. Um, and whereas I'm all for making sure we're good for 277 00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:15,360 fair, I would also like to make sure things are just getting done correctly 278 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:20,320 the first time so we don't run into stuff like this. I believe it's my 279 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:23,600 understanding again, and this might be wrong, but I believe when some of the 280 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:28,559 infrastructure work was done out there at the fairgrounds, I think in the early 281 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:31,600 stages of the of the project, that the well line coming from the well to the 282 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:35,280 hangman, because there's two hangmans out there. There's one at the east end 283 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:40,000 of the of the fairgrounds and one at the west end of the fairgrounds that they 284 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:44,480 put in new line from the well location which is right in front of the the newly 285 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:51,600 constructed event center. It was right in front of the 4 building in in past 286 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:57,520 layout. Um but they put in new line from there running east and connected it to 287 00:23:55,360 --> 00:24:00,960 the hangman. So that so that portion of it was connected to the hangman. And 288 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:05,440 then also I believe as a part of that they put in new 289 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:09,600 new access points or whatever for sprinklers along that road along the the 290 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,320 main road that comes in there some somewhere along there. They put that 291 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,880 line in so that they could then water and irrigate the the grass there. 292 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:19,440 » Yes. >> So that part of it I believe we can 293 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:25,919 confirm as new. Whether or not that line or any line went westward from the well 294 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:30,720 was would be the question. and and existing line. If there's existing line 295 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:37,200 that goes westward from the well, >> well, at least it's not 296 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:40,600 super far away from what it's going to have to be corrected. 297 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:47,039 » I agree with what the fair manager said about we need to make sure we do things 298 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:52,320 right the first time, and I appreciate that. I don't know, and I'd be curious 299 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:58,320 to hear the building officials take on this. If that is installed incorrectly, 300 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:02,880 as it sounds like it may be, I don't know if there is time since fair starts 301 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:06,960 in less than a week to rectify that, but I think we probably need to do it 302 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:10,320 immediately following and maybe can make some of those other changes as well. 303 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:11,440 Does that sound like what you're thinking? 304 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:17,520 » Yeah. >> So, it can be changed. It can be changed 305 00:25:13,679 --> 00:25:23,520 afterwards. Um, but you know, I don't know if you guys all looked at my email 306 00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:31,840 from uh last Tuesday. Um, but you know, we had a very clear 307 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:36,799 conversation in court on July 15th about unlicensed people doing work on potable 308 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:41,679 water systems. It was very clear, very clear. And so I bent and said, "Okay, if 309 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:48,320 you're going to hook into the well line, then that's fine." Um the the well is 310 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:53,919 hundreds of feet from where this wash rack is. Um so I happened to just stop 311 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:59,360 by uh last week and found this open hole 312 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:04,240 and saw the work and it was saddled into a C900 pipe. Somebody somebody cut into 313 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:11,039 the pipe, installed a saddle and installed uh an incorrect valve. Um, and 314 00:26:08,742 --> 00:26:16,720 [clears throat] so I told Connor at that time I wanted them to stop the work. 315 00:26:14,159 --> 00:26:21,520 And he he I believe he made a phone call and had a conversation with or I left a 316 00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:25,520 message for somebody and then somebody decided to go in and just finish the 317 00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:29,600 work regardless. So the the work that is done in there is 318 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:34,799 not correct. It was not done by a licensed plumber. It is on a potable 319 00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:39,120 water line and you know after fair it's going to have to be dealt with. But, um, 320 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:43,840 this is probably going to be sent to the building codes division for them to to 321 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:51,120 deal with. >> Rick, uh, do you have knowledge or 322 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:54,640 official records that maybe some of the rest of the players don't seem to have 323 00:26:52,799 --> 00:27:02,159 on where the potable water lines are? 324 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:09,520 Well, I did the inspections on those water lines and so I know what was put 325 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:14,480 in by the uh by FiveStar last year. Um, plus there are some plans that show 326 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:19,279 things and show some existing lines. Uh, the part that I do agree on is there's a 327 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:22,880 lot of lines out there that have been, you know, who knows what's been done 328 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:26,640 with them over the years. But you know what this comes back to is is this is 329 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:32,000 another line that's not done correctly on a on a big investment that was just 330 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:35,760 done. So, you know, why why would we want to do it 331 00:27:33,919 --> 00:27:39,360 wrong? Um, you know, the way it was installed, it was installed with a valve 332 00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:44,080 on a 45 that you could never shut the water off to because it's about 5t down 333 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:49,279 in the ground. um and it's an incorrect valve for that 334 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:54,480 type of installation and there's no backflow uh feeding the uh yard hydrant 335 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:58,279 they put in. So there's a multitude of of issues here. 336 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,880 Num number one being the fact that we were very clear about this and then it 337 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,799 was just an attitude of we're just going to do what we want. So you know that's 338 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:12,360 that's we're just going to let the ships fall where they may. 339 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:20,480 That's uh that's frustrating to say the least that the information you're giving 340 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:24,799 us that it was hooked into a C900 is at odds with the information that I was 341 00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:29,520 given. I'm optimistic that moving forward the 342 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:34,559 fair manager seems to be on the same page that we can have this stuff done 343 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:38,840 correctly. >> I completely agree with that statement. 344 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:47,840 we'll make it a high priority and try to figure out how to pay for it 345 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:51,840 right after fair. >> Um, 346 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:57,279 thank you for the discussion. It's just that I I felt it was um 347 00:28:55,279 --> 00:29:01,200 definitely an issue that needed to be discussed and we need to get to the 348 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:06,880 bottom of it and ensure that things are done appropriately and correctly in the 349 00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:12,240 future. People don't know for a fact firstand knowledge fact when we ask them 350 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:18,480 questions technical questions they should say they're not sure. Okay 351 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:22,080 everybody thank you. 352 00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:28,440 Um any other any other points on um on that 353 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,440 topic? 354 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:35,600 » It's all up and running and ready to go for fair 355 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:41,039 » as far as I know. is glad. All right, we'll continue to investigate 356 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:47,679 and pursue that and make it right if we need to. 357 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:54,240 Um, new business proposed recision of the 2001 roadless area conservation 358 00:29:51,679 --> 00:29:59,440 rule, RIIN, um, and associated docket numbers at the 359 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:04,720 federal level. Um 360 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:11,360 » is this uh this is not exclusive to the blues plan. 361 00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:15,360 This is in general across all forest lands. 362 00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:20,720 » Yeah. For about the last year and a half or two years there was talk of resending 363 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:25,440 the roadless rule and it's finally coming to fruition and is open to 364 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:32,960 comment and the comment period ends pretty quickly. I want to say 365 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:37,600 it's before our next meeting and so this this draft of comments was made based on 366 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:41,760 all the conversations that the ENRAC and the BIC has had regarding the roadless 367 00:30:40,399 --> 00:30:48,960 rule and it's something that our community has been pretty vocal about 368 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:54,399 for the last 10 years if not more. And so I think this draft of comments is 369 00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:57,960 consistent with the community wants the NRA's recommendation. 370 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:12,080 » So um this was was this reviewed discussed by the ENRACH? This was not 371 00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:15,200 reviewed by the ENRACH because of the time sensitivity and we weren't going to 372 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:20,080 have another ENRAC meeting by the time this has to be submitted. But it all of 373 00:31:18,159 --> 00:31:23,520 the previous discussions the ENRAC has had about the Robus rule which was 374 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:29,279 mostly in the context of Blue Mountain forest plan are reflected in this 375 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:35,600 » and those representatives on the REN rack on the ENRACK from our local 376 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:40,000 federal agencies. How did they I mean were they were they in favor of this? 377 00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:44,559 Are these comments in line with their concerns or 378 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:49,200 » Yes. And a lot of this road roadless rule 379 00:31:46,159 --> 00:31:56,159 really seems like it pertains more to the Forest Service than the BLM. And the 380 00:31:53,600 --> 00:32:01,519 roadless rule would still allow local discretion if a road needs to be closed 381 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:05,519 down for ecological purposes or whatever, but it would also allow us to 382 00:32:03,679 --> 00:32:11,120 build roads if we needed the infrastructure for maintaining the 383 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:15,279 forest or for fire suppression. And I think that falls right in line with our 384 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:20,880 our local district and our lo what's the think about this I 385 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:26,320 think of Josh Giles in terms of immigrant creek ranger district and then 386 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:32,640 Ann for the the mountier forest. So I think it's consistent with 387 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:37,760 our local and our forest prerogatives. I think it's 388 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:42,880 growing up here and remembering the the timber years and the timber sails along 389 00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:48,000 with timber sails. Um roads were constructed, logging, you 390 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:52,559 know, skitter trails or whatever they called them were constructed for getting 391 00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:58,799 the timber out of the cut location and out to a deck location, etc. Um, I would 392 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:03,279 presume that this roadless rule pre prevented within logging sales of being 393 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:08,000 able to do that kind of work and and make it economical to get the timber out 394 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:13,039 of the out of the forest. So, this would open up for timber sales. Again, you're 395 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:18,159 not going to put a a road down a down a geographical uh terrain that's, you 396 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:22,480 know, got a 45 degree angle or something, whatever, but but it still 397 00:33:19,919 --> 00:33:26,880 opens up to be able to put in those kind of accesses for commercial uses. Is that 398 00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:30,960 I mean, would that return that ability? Is that what this is? Okay. 399 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:35,679 » And I read it very carefully. I think it's a 400 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:41,039 good letter. I support it. And you know, basically it's saying that we support 401 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:47,200 receiving it. as it should be. That's one of those one-sizefits-all 402 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:51,360 rules that does not uh enable local good decision- making by the professionals 403 00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:56,000 and the community as well to decide if and where you know where 404 00:33:53,919 --> 00:34:00,000 those areas might need to be. So, I totally support it. Not just my own 405 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:03,760 opinion. I'm glad ENRA didn't have a problem with it, but also on behalf of 406 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:10,320 plenty of the people that reach out to me and tell me that that's they want it 407 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:16,960 rescended. So, I'm in support of it. >> I think and I I'm trying to remember the 408 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:20,159 last the last uh forest plan meeting that we went to, this topic was 409 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:27,200 discussed and I remember talking to Ann and and 410 00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:31,280 one of the other um managers. It's important that just because this is 411 00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:36,000 rescended doesn't mean that roads are going to pop up or stay open all over 412 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:38,879 the place. This is it's it's management discretion is really what it gives 413 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,639 gives. >> So 414 00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:46,800 » that's a a big improvement. >> Yeah. 415 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:53,119 » To go in that direction. So um I would uh go ahead and move that to approve the 416 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:59,599 proposed the county court's comments on the proposed recision of the 2001 417 00:34:55,599 --> 00:35:04,079 roadless area conservation rule as presented. 418 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:09,680 » Second. Motion's been made and seconded to approve the proposed or the comments 419 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:16,400 to the proposed recision of the 2001 roadless area conservation rule RI0596- 420 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:20,040 A66 docket FS-2025-00001 421 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:28,240 as discussed any further discussion >> I think Danny put this on our letter 422 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:32,640 ahead or was this form >> I did not do that on this form but I can 423 00:35:33,359 --> 00:35:38,000 would you mind submitting it? And I don't I can make sure that you have the 424 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:41,920 information. It's either an email address or it might be one of those 425 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,920 links that you have to go online. >> Absolutely. 426 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:48,000 » And and Danny, since we are starting to do um some of these in this fashion and 427 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:48,960 again, I'm sure you'll take out the draft. 428 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,680 » Yes. >> But always please make sure there's a 429 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:59,520 space between the title and their body. Thank you very much. 430 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:03,760 » Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I I 431 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:08,560 » opposed. Hearing none. Motion carries. 432 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:14,079 Um and then I guess kind of leading right into next topic is u blue mountain 433 00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:21,280 forest plan revision decision of environmental impact study 434 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:26,880 action or action pack. We've been beating this one up for half a year at 435 00:36:23,359 --> 00:36:31,680 least and and this set of comments it's drafted maybe in June was circulated to 436 00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:35,680 the ENRACK. It was based on the extensive comments they have already 437 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:40,320 helped draft >> and it's very similar to the last set of 438 00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:45,280 comments that we submitted prior to the the determination of environmental 439 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:50,560 impact study. The Forest Service has been very 440 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:54,640 very receptive, yeah, to the comments the Haring County has made and it's 441 00:36:52,640 --> 00:37:00,720 reflected especially in alternative 2 that they've incorporated that into the 442 00:36:56,240 --> 00:37:04,640 plan. And so this this is a pretty old document that's just been waiting to go 443 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:08,800 in. But I think the deadline is towards the end of September. 444 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:12,640 This is the condensed version. The extended version is 13 pages. and I 445 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,119 don't know that it really drives the point home any more than this shorter 446 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:20,560 version. >> I think this is a good document and a 447 00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:24,400 good way to um go ahead and comment and I like the fact that there's an 448 00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:30,160 attachment with some of the specific requested changes in the the verbiage 449 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:35,760 which would support the narrative that we were providing. So, uh question uh do 450 00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:40,640 you know if um of uh some of the other local 451 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:45,760 governments that are within the mountain forest land region are also the 452 00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:50,720 important alternative to >> I think most all of them are and what I 453 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:54,960 would suggest is if we choose to take action on this and and submit it damy's 454 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,520 willing to put it on some letter head and send 455 00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:58,480 » Oh yeah, that was the one said you already did. 456 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,320 » She did both. >> She actually did both. 457 00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:07,359 » Yeah. past me took care of that already. >> But if she would officially submit this 458 00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:11,920 one, I would also forward it to all the BIC members. That's something that we 459 00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:15,760 have kind of asked you if you are willing to share your comments so that 460 00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:21,280 it can kind of give other people ideas and I want to say Mororrow County maybe 461 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:27,520 has already sent their copy around to the the group and in our copy as a draft 462 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:33,920 has already been sent to the big and EOCA because EOCA will probably submit 463 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:37,640 their own comments. So, everyone's pretty well in line. 464 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,480 Yeah, I think 465 00:38:54,480 --> 00:39:01,839 a lot of people would like to see things go back to 466 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:08,160 maybe pre974ish whatever in forest management, but in 467 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:14,960 all practicality it's not going to happen. Um, so I think a lot of the 468 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:20,640 strides made in in this plan and in this negotiations and comments and feedback 469 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:23,640 from counties and public um goes a long ways. 470 00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:38,560 So um the previous roadless is ready to go. It's on letterhead and ready to go. 471 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:41,839 We have which that one we didn't have signatures on though. Did the court want 472 00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:45,200 to have signatures on it or just submit it upload it as is? 473 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:52,160 » As is fine. >> Okay. And then the the uh 474 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:57,760 uh Harney County comments on the Blue Mountain Forest Land Management Plan 475 00:39:55,359 --> 00:40:02,240 draft environmental impacts. It does have signatures on it. 476 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:07,280 » I move to approve. >> Second. A motion has been made and 477 00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:11,440 seconded to approve the Hornney County comments on the Blue Mountain Forest 478 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:15,839 Plan Management Plan draft environmental impact statement support for alternative 479 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:19,839 two as discussed and presented. Any further 480 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:23,839 discussion? >> Good job. 481 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:30,599 » All in favor signify by saying I. I opposed 482 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,599 hearing none. Motion carries. 483 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,480 And 484 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:09,119 next topic, and I thought we discussed this a little bit last time. I hope it 485 00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:13,200 got carried over accidentally, but we can cover it real quick. Like AOC annual 486 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:17,680 conference in November. Um, I talked with Commissioner Elect Omen. You are 487 00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:25,599 planning on attending. if you would coordinate with Danny on if she hasn't 488 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:31,839 already um on paying the the uh fee, the attendance fee and for lodging. Um after 489 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:36,560 after you take office, we'll have a credit card purchase card for you and we 490 00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:40,079 could take care of those items yourself. But in the meantime, Danny has a card 491 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:43,040 and she'll be able to help you with that if she hasn't already. 492 00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:48,480 » I think she already has. >> Yeah, we're after. But I do have some 493 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:52,480 bills for you. Perfect. >> Um, 494 00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:55,040 uh, Commissioner Doro, are you planning on attending? 495 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:58,160 » I am not. I'm not. Save the county money. 496 00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:03,119 » Okay. Um, Commissioner Frank, >> I am. Let's send the Kenny's phone. 497 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:08,800 » Um, I'm planning on going. Um, I'm going to go Tuesday through Friday. Well, I'll 498 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:13,440 leave Friday morning because the we are planning on doing the county booth at 499 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:17,359 the U Travel Oregon or whatever it's called these days. Um, so I want to be 500 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:22,880 there for that, but I'll leave first thing Friday morning. And then they have 501 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:27,119 some administrator sessions that really take up most of my time while I'm there. 502 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:32,160 A lot of those topics and whatnot, I try to hit the other stuff that's important, 503 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:40,560 but I hit those primarily. So, I will be leaving Tuesday afternoon on the 504 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:45,119 18th 17th 17th and then coming back Friday morning. 505 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:50,680 Um is there anything else I wanted to hit 506 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,680 on for that? Um 507 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:56,560 » that would be talking about moving the region. 508 00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,160 » Oh yes. >> So 509 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:03,839 » so that week the 18th I think it is is a county court session. 510 00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:07,760 » Yes. Um, so I would propose that we move that 511 00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:12,640 county court session to the 16th on Monday. 512 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:16,240 » Fine to read. >> You want a motion? 513 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:18,880 » I don't think so. Just administrative in nature. We'll just make sure it gets 514 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:23,920 changed on the calendar and everything so that the public knows. And then there 515 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:27,440 was another another conflict coming up with county court. Uh, was it in 516 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,040 October? >> Yes. December. 517 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:36,640 » Yes. I I have something I'd like to attend that's on a county court date and 518 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:42,160 that would be October 7th. Um it's it's a first expo with a lot of information 519 00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:47,440 and I never really got any of that information before. So um if we can 520 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:51,520 shift that a day or two, I'd appreciate that. 521 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:55,440 It's one time deal. >> I'll honestly probably be unavailable 522 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:58,560 that whole week anyway. So you guys still have a corn, but just throwing 523 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:04,440 that out there. >> Okay. Um J. Um 524 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:17,920 I think the sixth would probably work better for me. I can do it. Okay. I have 525 00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:22,400 these under scheduling, but since we kind of broached on it up here um under 526 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:27,040 this other topic, we just cover them. But um 527 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:32,319 anyway, so then um we'll change county court session from October 7th to 528 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:37,040 October 6th. Same time, same times for both or same normal times, different 529 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:44,960 dates. >> Right. Um next up then is order 530 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:50,319 rescending legalization order recision of document number 2007 531 00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:56,160 2052. Action for action. Um, 532 00:44:54,400 --> 00:45:02,319 so have a res or an order prepared. 533 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:09,200 County council has reviewed it. Uh, order rescending legalization order. 534 00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:13,760 Recision of document number 200072052 in the matter of recision of the 535 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:19,200 legalization order for East Steam Road, Harney County Road number 20, 536 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:25,440 East Stein Roads, East Steam Road, Andrews diversion. Whereas on September 537 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:29,760 5th, 2007, Harney County Court entered a legalization order pursuant to OS 538 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:35,440 362.201 to 362.221 221 539 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:43,280 uh recorded September 12th, 2007 in the county clerk's records of Harney County, 540 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:48,319 Oregon as document number 2072052, which legalized a newly surveyed 541 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:55,839 alignment of the East Steam Road, Harney County Road number 201 between section 542 00:45:53,040 --> 00:46:03,440 one and a quarter corner of section 34 and the northwest corner of 543 00:46:00,319 --> 00:46:08,480 of section 26, Township 35 South Range 33 East. The Andrews diversion declared 544 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:12,960 that alignment to be a county road and withdrew the prior alignment of East 545 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:18,599 Road from the county road system to become a local access road under OS 546 00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:18,599 368.001. 547 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:26,880 Um I wanted to get that first portion in there. Um, unless the court Oh, yeah. 548 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:31,119 Fire alarm testing was on my notes to let everybody know they're certifying 549 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:38,400 the elevator and um it's just a test. 550 00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:42,079 Uh I had that in my notes because say right up front at the beginning and 551 00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:45,359 skipped it. So anyway, I wanted to get that first paragraph in there. Um unless 552 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:51,599 the court thinks it's important to read the entire thing. I do want to note that 553 00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:56,960 um that uh the county did hold a public hearing in fields 554 00:46:54,079 --> 00:47:04,480 um closer to those residents properties and and 555 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:08,800 uh constituents in that area. a few members attended or a few residents 556 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:17,760 attended and we discussed the pros and cons um of of realigning it or or 557 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:24,640 keeping it as it is. Um it was discussed that um the county does have a grant a 558 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:28,319 public lands access grant for paving uh up to Frog Springs from where the 559 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:32,480 current pavement ends up to frog about Frog Springs that's supposed to take 560 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:38,160 place in 2028. the estimated cost of of 561 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:42,240 realigning diverting the road was estimated at approximately a million 562 00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:48,240 dollars or more. So these are all factors that we took into consideration 563 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:54,560 um before coming to the to the um decision to resend that order. 564 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:58,720 » Uh judge I don't think we need to read the whole 565 00:47:56,240 --> 00:48:03,040 thing. However, and I wouldn't mind doing it if you don't want to do it. I 566 00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:08,560 think maybe reading the now therefore it is hereby ordered section. Okay. 567 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:13,200 » At the end and also I have a question on the fourth item on that last paragraph. 568 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:18,160 It says this order shall take effect immediately upon its entry by the Hardy 569 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:24,480 County Board. Do you mean approval or adoption or I didn't know what entry 570 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:27,480 just seemed a little bit >> um 571 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:33,680 I don't know. Well, I'm going to say the uh entry being as soon as it's recorded 572 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:37,359 by the clerk because there is a a recording section by the clerk. So, upon 573 00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:42,480 its entry into the records. >> Okay. 574 00:48:40,319 --> 00:48:45,839 » I thought this resolution was really well done. It's really thorough. It 575 00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:50,079 captures everything that we talked about. 576 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:53,760 I I move to approve. >> Let me finish. Let me let me read the 577 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:58,240 now therefors. Um, now therefore, it is hereby ordered 578 00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:02,400 that the legalization order entered by the Harney County Court on September 579 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:07,839 5th, 2007 and recorded September 12th, 2007 in the county clerk's records of 580 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:12,960 Harney County, Oregon as document number 2072052 581 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:16,559 is hereby rescended and vacated in its entirety. The Harney County Road 582 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:21,119 Department and County Surveyor are directed to update the county road 583 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:27,359 inventory and records for East Road, Harney County Road number 201, 584 00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:32,800 including to wit that the portion of East Road designated as a local access 585 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:37,440 road in the legis in the legalization order is now to be added back to the 586 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:43,119 county road system. Nothing in this order con uh con constitutes 587 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:48,240 a final determination of the ownership status or disposition of the surveyed 588 00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:51,760 right of way described in the 2007 legalization order. The Harney County 589 00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:56,160 Court reserves the right to take such further and additional action upon 590 00:49:53,599 --> 00:50:01,200 consultation with legal counsel as may be necessary or appropriate to fully 591 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:06,400 resolve any remaining questions regarding that right of way. 592 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:10,400 Uh, this order shall take effect immediately upon its entry by the Harney 593 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:15,200 County Court dated this 2nd day of September 2026. 594 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:18,960 Um, yeah. So, I guess the one of the major 595 00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:26,160 points there is that the rightway stays in effect. There is no obligation by the 596 00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:29,040 by the county to maintain or construct a road just based on the fact that there's 597 00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:33,440 a rightaway there. We have rightaways all over the county. Um, many of them 598 00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:36,880 are not maintained and they're just on paper and at the later time the 599 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:44,000 landowner wishes to request that right away be vacu uh vacated, we could do 600 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:48,640 that at a later time. Elevator fire elevator fire alarm 601 00:50:46,319 --> 00:50:55,680 testing. Um, so with that said, any other 602 00:50:51,839 --> 00:50:59,040 discussion or a motion? I move to approve 603 00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:02,960 the Harney County court order in the matter of the recision of the 604 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:08,800 legalization order for East Steam Road, Harney County Road number 20, East 605 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:12,160 Steams Road/Andrews Diversion. Um order rescending legalization order the 606 00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:15,160 recision of the document number 200072052. 607 00:51:16,319 --> 00:51:24,880 » Second. A motion has been made and seconded to approve order rescending 608 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:28,960 legalization order recession of document number 2072052 609 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:33,440 in the matter of the recision of the legalization order for East Stein Road 610 00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:37,920 Harne County Road number 201 East Road/Andrews 611 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:43,319 diversion. Any further discussion as as presented and discussed? Any further 612 00:51:40,319 --> 00:51:43,319 discussion? 613 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:54,760 All in favor signify by saying I. I. >> And opposed. 614 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,760 Hearing none. Motion carries. 615 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:04,800 Can I bring up a quick go back real quick? The building official still on 616 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:10,040 the line. I think he probably is. 617 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,040 Um, 618 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:16,240 » is he not going to be able to attend virtually either this morning? 619 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,440 » He was on early. >> You want me to reach out to him? 620 00:52:17,839 --> 00:52:22,240 » He's not on here now. It doesn't look like 621 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:27,839 » I can reach out to him. I I was just going to ask if he has any documentation 622 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:32,559 of the incorrectly installed valve and plumbing. If he could share that with 623 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:35,440 » such as photos and Yes, he does. He can >> he does have 624 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:40,680 » he does have all that. We can send it out to you. 625 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,680 » Thanks. 626 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:50,240 » Um okay, ne next topic is um on I guess 627 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:56,079 retention would be the the classification of our building official. 628 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:59,839 Our building official um has done a lot of great work in the last two plus 629 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:05,920 years, two and a half years, whatever it's been um with 630 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:11,520 re envisioning the building department um 631 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:15,920 to the point of expanding and providing service to neighboring county, Brandt 632 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:21,200 County, and serving as the building official. And our entire two programs 633 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:26,400 are still mingled. Um, at this point we 634 00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:32,079 and I don't recall exactly I want to say we we did a 8020 split on fees. Do you 635 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:35,440 know Jesse what our building permit split was that was? 636 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:39,920 » So before before we were able to have the building official position it was 637 00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:46,880 90. I wanted to get to that >> the uh with Grant County right now I 638 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:55,440 believe it is they get 15% we get >> 85 8550 so we get 85% of every dollar in 639 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:59,520 permit fees with Grant County and then all of our permit fees here in Carne 640 00:53:57,839 --> 00:54:03,839 County with the exception of the fees that we have to pay to the state just 641 00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:10,480 that are statutory. Prior to that, uh, a big portion of our 642 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:15,520 inspections were conducted by the state and they kept 90% of every dollar and 643 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:20,400 they didn't even come out on site. We still had staff that would go out to a 644 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:24,880 to a to a site, whether it was electrical panel or or plumbing or 645 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:29,839 whatever, and turn on FaceTime on their phone and show the inspector that's 646 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:37,040 sitting in Bend or Portland or wherever, this this is what it is. So, so they got 647 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:41,119 90% of the fees for doing that. Um, 648 00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:46,880 we now have a building department that doesn't rely on any 649 00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:52,160 general fund subsidization. Um, because of that, because of doing it 650 00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:56,880 all in house. Um, there I could look back at the budgets in the past. I 651 00:54:53,839 --> 00:55:01,599 didn't in preparation for this, but uh there was a easy 652 00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:05,359 $30 to $50,000 that this that the general fund was subsidizing the general 653 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:11,040 or the uh building department for in the past. 654 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:16,960 Um so I think I guess my point being is the building official 655 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:22,079 has been offered a position in another jurisdiction. I don't know where um at 656 00:55:20,319 --> 00:55:29,520 this time. I don't I don't know where, but he's asking for um a $10,000 657 00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:35,839 increase in his salary, which he justifies off of the entry level of 658 00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:39,680 building official and other local. Granted, the cost of living in Harney 659 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:45,280 County is not what it is in other higher paying localities, but um I can't in 660 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:50,480 order to do that, I'm going to have to make some movement in in budgeted funds 661 00:55:48,799 --> 00:55:55,040 and it'll have to come before the court anyway. So, I we just as well discuss it 662 00:55:53,599 --> 00:56:02,480 and decide whether or not we want to retain um and then make those moves in 663 00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:12,079 budgeted funds or or or stay with what we have. Um he's also asked for um a uh 664 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:18,400 solidified telework agreement um 665 00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:23,680 which I think it works right now. Um but we never did a formalized agreement for 666 00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:30,799 his telework. Um and he's asked to acrew vacation time 667 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:38,640 one category higher than where he's at right now. Right now the the beginning 668 00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:45,440 entry entry level um um vacation acral is one to five years at 6.66 hours or 669 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:51,760 something like that and it comes out to be two weeks and the next level up is is 670 00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:57,799 3 weeks is what it the hourly rate includes to. So that's where I'm at with 671 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:57,799 it. Um 672 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:05,680 the court has not given me as the administrator the authority to move on 673 00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:09,119 these kind of things independently. So and and we have to do a budget move 674 00:57:07,359 --> 00:57:12,400 forward anyway. So I'm asking the court I I would like to retain him. I guess my 675 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:16,240 recommendation is I would like to retain the building official. Um what he's done 676 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:21,680 for our department, what he's done for Harney or for Harney and Grant County, 677 00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:25,760 we're a model. There are jurisdictions all over this state that are probably 678 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:31,200 going to continue to try and recruit him. Um I would probably propose if we 679 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:36,640 decide to do this if we can work with legal counsel to have some kind of a 680 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:40,799 commitment letter. Um I don't know how that how applicable, how enforceable 681 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:45,680 those are or whatever, but um it would probably be an ask that I would consult 682 00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:48,480 with council on to do that. 683 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:52,400 » Does he live in Harney County? >> He does not live in Harney County. He 684 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:57,760 lives in Clamoth County. >> Did the court give him money to move to 685 00:57:56,079 --> 00:58:03,599 Harney County, but part of it? >> No. 686 00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:08,960 » But gave him a a a sign on bonus. I believe it was an initial bonus, but it 687 00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:14,720 wasn't an actual moving allowance that I recall. Not that it not that it it makes 688 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:25,520 any difference because I'm I don't have a vote at this time, but uh I would 689 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:32,000 I would my vote and my position would be absolutely not. I couldn't support that 690 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:36,720 with where the people that voted for me that elected me 691 00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:43,599 um and the sentiment that has come from 692 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:50,480 right? The appearance of what the building department has 693 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:55,599 driving brand new rigs. Um, now I'm not saying either way. I'm just saying from 694 00:58:53,119 --> 00:59:01,599 the constituents that that I know I would have to 695 00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:08,000 » be on the contrary of raising changing a budget for that position. 696 00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:13,040 » All right. I will comment on the vehicles. I mean, all of our departments 697 00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:16,400 need vehicles and have to travel and get out and do the job. The assessor's 698 00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:21,280 office has to assess properties to gather those taxes. Building department 699 00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:27,520 has to approve those those building permits, applications. Um, and that's 700 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:31,760 goes into our tax base and everything too. So, the ability that they had to 701 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:36,559 buy those vehicles within their department and not from general fund, 702 00:59:34,319 --> 00:59:40,799 which is previously in uh the vehicles that were all down there previous to 703 00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:44,880 those two or three new vehicles were all purchased by general fund dollars and in 704 00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:50,799 this case they weren't. Our general fund is extremely strapped and they have 705 00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:54,880 found ways to limit the burden, if you would, on the general fund and allow us 706 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:59,359 to be able to do more with other departments that are dependent on the 707 00:59:56,559 --> 01:00:04,160 general fund. So in that respect, I would I would rebut by saying that 708 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:12,079 » I I would I so I I don't know that this I would um I would like to have some 709 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:18,559 personal conversation with the judge outside of this particular setting um to 710 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:24,799 discuss some of those issues. So I'm just stating where I would sit if I had 711 01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:30,559 a if I had if I was there, I would just just so that the court knew that. No, I 712 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:33,440 respect that. And in four more months or so, you'll be off to court. 713 01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:39,040 » I did. But yes, >> and and I and it's I did before I took 714 01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:41,920 office. I came in and was privy and part of these discussions because there was 715 01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:48,400 things that would carry forward into my term. So I I appreciate that you're here 716 01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:51,839 and you contribute to the conversation. >> Thank you. 717 01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:57,440 Um, I will also wanted to add to the fact that um, I have been contacted by 718 01:00:54,720 --> 01:01:02,559 contractors in the local area and they find the service that's that's provided 719 01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:08,400 by our building department as on the spot, very timely and uh, very 720 01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:12,880 accessible. Um, I think a lot of that or all of that can be contributed to the 721 01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:18,079 building official. Don't get me wrong. Um, nobody is 722 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:22,880 irreplaceable. Myself included. Anybody is is 723 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:28,559 irreplaceable, but it's the time in between if we don't retain two as to how 724 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:32,559 are we going to navigate that in our building department for not only us, but 725 01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:40,200 in some respects Grant County that we have a contract with to to perform those 726 01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:40,200 services for. Um 727 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:48,000 I I think it's important to be able to 728 01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:52,000 retain for succession even to continue the what we're the track that we're on 729 01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:57,839 and developing other individuals that might someday then be able to 730 01:01:54,799 --> 01:02:01,520 succeed our building official. You never know how that's going to pan out. It's 731 01:01:59,359 --> 01:02:07,880 just but you got to try to plan for it. So So those are my points I guess for 732 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,880 retaining 733 01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:20,000 I feel like the building officials performance to my knowledge 734 01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:25,280 has been exceptional. I will say that I do view 735 01:02:22,799 --> 01:02:29,520 it in kind of two different buckets and you spoke to the fact that you've had 736 01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:34,079 contractors reach out to you as have I. I think when it comes to development in 737 01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:39,359 the community and we have new development and new construction going 738 01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:42,480 on with contracting crews that are that are accustomed to all the 739 01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:48,079 permitting and everything that needs to take place to do it by the book. They 740 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:52,079 love the responsiveness of our building official and our building department. 741 01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:56,079 When they need inspections, they have them done. However, there is the other 742 01:02:54,240 --> 01:03:00,160 bucket of people which are people who just want to do something simple at 743 01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:05,920 their house like extend a water line or do a simple add-on. And I think there's 744 01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:08,880 a lot of frustration there because we do everything by the book. And I'm not 745 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:15,039 insinuating that we shouldn't do things by the book, but sometimes that is a bit 746 01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:18,960 of a barrier and an obstacle. I think the majority of the people in the county 747 01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:22,799 fall into that second bucket. the majority of square footage and dollars 748 01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:27,599 in construction falls into that group that appreciates the responsiveness. 749 01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:32,559 I think by all accounts the building officials performance has been really 750 01:03:29,839 --> 01:03:39,280 good. I am very in favor of offering flexibility in the job because I I tend 751 01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:42,880 to prefer outcomes rather than just how many hours they're in the county. And if 752 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:46,480 we have expectations for them and they are meeting those or exceeding those, 753 01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:52,799 that's all I care about, not how many hours they're in the office. I think as 754 01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:58,000 we finish up this class and comp study, flexibility might be only one of the 755 01:03:54,720 --> 01:04:02,799 only ways that we can help with retention and recruitment and make some 756 01:04:00,319 --> 01:04:09,599 of those positions that maybe are under paid more desirable. That being said, I 757 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:13,359 am not in favor of a pay increase, especially as we're finishing up this 758 01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:18,480 class and comp study. And we are going to have some positions that need to be 759 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:24,240 paid a lot more than they are currently paid. And if I remember correctly from 760 01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:30,240 that initial report that that particular position was a grade 12 and was proposed 761 01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:35,119 to be a grade 11, I just think it is not very defensible for us to do a $10,000 762 01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:38,720 increase or a department head. We know we're going to have other department 763 01:04:36,319 --> 01:04:43,760 heads and positions that are going to require increases and we probably do not 764 01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:50,920 have the financial resources to give all those increases across the board. 765 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,920 Those are my thoughts. 766 01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:59,359 Well, here's some of the things why I am 767 01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:06,559 generally in support of this. um is that um our building official 768 01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:12,160 has taken our building services by an order of magnitude to a place of 769 01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:16,480 excellence, place of service, place of consistency 770 01:05:13,839 --> 01:05:21,280 and legally supportable and sustainable things. It has been a culture shift for 771 01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:24,880 our county for people that just like to, you know, do their own work at stuff. 772 01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:29,760 There's still things that that need to be done and 773 01:05:27,359 --> 01:05:35,119 and consistently and and fairly. And our our con local contractors years ago 774 01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:40,960 working with them, they were very asking us to do what we can to make sure 775 01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:44,319 that um licensed work is done by licensed professionals. There's a reason 776 01:05:42,799 --> 01:05:49,599 for it. It's really about consumer safety and other matters, but it's wrong 777 01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:53,760 not to. And I remember when this building official came and he did a 778 01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:58,880 courtesy stop by to the commissioners at the time after he was well on the way to 779 01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:03,760 being hired. I said, "How do you you know what do you think about enforcing 780 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:08,160 things, not enforcing things was the grayer and we had a good conversation 781 01:06:05,359 --> 01:06:11,119 and he has he has been consistent and fair in things. He has tried to work 782 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:14,720 with things when there's difficult, but there are some things that have to hold. 783 01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:19,920 And I I support that and I appreciate how hard it is to make that paradigm 784 01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:23,680 shift. But he he he has a lot of certification and has continued to get 785 01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:29,280 more certifications during his time here. He's very highly skilled. I get 786 01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:33,440 great uh responses from contractors and other people how how responsive he and 787 01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:37,599 his department are. um 788 01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:42,480 he's creating sustainability for whenever he isn't here anymore. He, you 789 01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:47,280 know, with his people, his people are uh pursuing additional 790 01:06:44,799 --> 01:06:52,599 um education, training, and and skill sets, which I I appreciate. Um 791 01:06:52,960 --> 01:07:00,960 a pay increase when it's not, you know, right at the time of budgeting, you 792 01:06:58,319 --> 01:07:05,039 know, it's like, well, that's that's unusual. 793 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:09,680 uh he's asking $10,000 now. When he was hired, he was the Grant County program 794 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:14,160 wasn't there. And to my knowledge, he didn't get he may have gotten some some 795 01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:19,039 minor increases, but he didn't get like the fact that his program is a twocount 796 01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:24,000 program, not a onecounty program. Really didn't get any significant increase to 797 01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:27,920 to account for that. A telework agreement formalized. That's probably a 798 01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:31,200 good idea. I don't know anything about about that. It just sounds like 799 01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:37,200 generally a good idea. So expectations are are clear. Um uh with technology a 800 01:07:34,559 --> 01:07:41,760 lot can be done and with just good time management, you know, seems like that 801 01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:46,799 could work. Um increase vacation time from two weeks to three at his level. 802 01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:49,920 Yeah, I would be fine with that. Um but again, we don't want to do personnel 803 01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:54,559 matters all the time just as a matter of a county court agenda item. But in this 804 01:07:52,000 --> 01:08:02,640 case, um he's got an opportunity and he came and had a conversation with you. um 805 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:06,960 when in shifting the culture to which some some people maybe weren't pleased 806 01:08:04,799 --> 01:08:12,720 about certain calls he made or or whatever. Um I would just say that I the 807 01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:18,159 fact that he's doing it right. He's not being a jerk. he's doing it right, but 808 01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:23,520 he's he's being professional and and you know has facts on his side when when he 809 01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:30,799 has something that is um being challenged and that 810 01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:36,080 the responsiveness and and and positive uh work that is being done that far 811 01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:41,759 outweighs any of the grumblings that some people might have about the book. 812 01:08:38,719 --> 01:08:45,440 So, I I have always gotten a lot of feedback around this department and this 813 01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:50,880 individual um why I don't know, but people call me 814 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:56,640 and um I think he's doing an outstanding job. He's he has two counties and never 815 01:08:54,159 --> 01:09:01,600 got really recognized for that since he'd been hired two and a half years ago 816 01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:07,199 and I'd hate to lose him now. So I I I mean to me the building part is 817 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:13,759 one of our success stories under a hard time of um county services and um 818 01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:21,199 revenues and you know with creative thinking and good hard work uh and a lot 819 01:09:17,839 --> 01:09:25,120 of a lot of over I'm sure unp you know a lot of working late and creating all the 820 01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:29,600 the agreements and things. He's always come and basically given us complete 821 01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:33,199 staff work on some of these major major things. 822 01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:39,920 does a great job and we support >> I don't disagree with anything you 823 01:09:35,839 --> 01:09:47,120 commissioner Doro said or or Judge Hart but when when we hired the building 824 01:09:42,799 --> 01:09:51,759 official initially we extended above and and gave more money to get someone 825 01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:56,960 who was highly qualified and we have seen the fruits of that and it paid off. 826 01:09:54,560 --> 01:10:01,679 I have no doubt that he is worth more money than we're paying him and and the 827 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:05,679 problem of if we lose him, what do we do? That's a very valid concern, 828 01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:12,159 especially as we have some development starting to take place. However, 829 01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:17,120 especially in the shadow of that pending class and comp study, I would be very 830 01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:22,880 open to any other flexibility we could show or things like the extended 831 01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:27,280 vacation time. I don't think I would be supportive of of more dollars because 832 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:33,199 there's nothing. We have lots of other department heads that are probably not 833 01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:37,280 compensated at fair market value and I boy I just don't I don't know that I'd 834 01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:43,840 support that. I I do have intended to discuss with um 835 01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:50,560 the consultant contractor for our class and comp that in addition to our base 836 01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:57,920 salary schedules and and classification schedules that we look at um the 837 01:10:54,480 --> 01:11:00,960 creation of some senior tier positions that would encompass, you know, maybe 838 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:04,960 three or four positions throughout the county to include uh a county 839 01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:10,239 administrator, um the building official, 840 01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:13,760 And um I still lobby for and I would like to have the discussion because we 841 01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:20,640 need to make a decision on a piece of property. Um I still lobby for the 842 01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:26,719 creation of a uh county health services administrator. I still lobby for that. 843 01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:30,000 Um I don't know, you know, people have asked, we haven't been able to fill it 844 01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:34,960 with a fill the public health director position. Would we be able to fill a a 845 01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:39,199 health administrator position? But all those positions are going to be higher 846 01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:45,679 level pay than what our even top 14 grade and steps are. So um I think it I 847 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:52,719 think it might be warranted to look at some kind of a senior management level 848 01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:57,920 position grade uh creation which that would then fill in or fit into that. Um, 849 01:11:55,760 --> 01:12:03,760 and I think again as we as we've kind of gone over the class and comp study, uh, 850 01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:08,400 where we're at with it, um, there are some positions that need 851 01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:14,719 further review and and making sure that the preliminary or draft classifications 852 01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:18,400 are where they should be. And I'm not sure if the 853 01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:22,400 as you've mentioned it and I've talked about it, I don't think his job 854 01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:25,840 description mentions Grant County in it at all, which brings a lot more 855 01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:33,040 complexity to it. Would definitely bring it up in in classification. 856 01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:36,840 Um, so we need to look at that aspect of it. Um 857 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:45,760 I have I on the on the financial side of it 858 01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:50,960 that money is able to be paid through the budget from the building department. 859 01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:57,040 It's not going to affect general fund again. So it's I mean if it were 860 01:12:55,440 --> 01:13:01,600 the struggles we've had over the last three years and the last four budgets 861 01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:06,880 that I've had to prepare revolve around the general fund and relieving the 862 01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:13,480 pressure on the general fund. I'm I'm extremely concerned that if we allow our 863 01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:13,480 building department to 864 01:13:14,719 --> 01:13:21,199 retreat back to where it used to be that then we're going to have that burden 865 01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:24,960 back on the general fund again. Um, 866 01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:29,840 I agree with everything Commissioner Doro said. I'm not 100% opposed to what 867 01:13:28,239 --> 01:13:34,400 you've said, Commissioner Frank. I I understand and I had those I had those 868 01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:37,920 exact same thoughts and feelings in trying trying to decide my position on 869 01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:45,040 this. But when it comes right down to it, I think my position is is that I 870 01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:51,920 support it because of the alternative or the potential alternatives of what 871 01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:57,520 the building department could recess to. >> And I I would acknowledge for the 872 01:13:54,000 --> 01:14:05,199 record, I I do acknowledge that if we if we lose Rick, we will lose money and we 873 01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:12,000 will lose progress. I I just am not sure if that supersedes the defensibility of 874 01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:15,360 the $10,000 raise, especially with the lar department. And it does make it more 875 01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:18,880 complex because that is a self-sufficient 876 01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:23,040 department. Um that's tough. 877 01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:27,520 If >> if we would take action on that, I would 878 01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:32,480 ask that we break it into can we break it into the flexibility and break it 879 01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:36,640 into the pay increase. into separate elements and vote on 880 01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:43,920 separate elements. >> Um 881 01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:49,679 » and and is this a model of how um we as a county court will always need to talk 882 01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:52,400 about things of this nature? agenda. 883 01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:55,440 » Well, and I think that needs to be ironed out too, maybe in a separate 884 01:14:53,920 --> 01:15:03,199 discussion or whatever, as to what leeway and what what u authority 885 01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:06,159 » um I as the administrator or whoever is the administrator is going to have. 886 01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:10,239 » Um >> okay, I just I'd rather take care of it 887 01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:14,159 » at a lower level, >> but knowing that the court trusts the 888 01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:22,239 decision that's made by myself or whoever. Um but again, this 889 01:15:18,719 --> 01:15:28,239 um will require a resolution to move some funds from one portion of of their 890 01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:32,239 budget to another portion. Um it's funds that we don't believe are going to be 891 01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:38,159 needed. Actually, we budgeted $40,000 in capital outlay for for transportation, a 892 01:15:34,719 --> 01:15:42,560 vehicle. And I I asked I asked Rick, I asked the building official if he 893 01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:45,840 planned on using that, and he doesn't have any plans on buying a vehicle. So, 894 01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:48,880 we both don't know how that got put in there other than maybe just a 895 01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:52,159 placeholder for some funds. I don't know. But anyway, that's where the funds 896 01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:56,440 would be transferred from is from capital outlay to personal services. 897 01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:05,600 And since that would definitely require a vote and a move by 898 01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:09,520 the county court, take care of the discussion now all at 899 01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:15,440 once. But this is somewhat timely as well because I I need to be able to give 900 01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:15,440 an answer to the building official. 901 01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:24,280 Are you setting a precedence um without the study being done? 902 01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:35,400 » Um and those and those items being finished for 903 01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:35,400 your other department heads. 904 01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:44,480 » I thought it >> Are you open the door? Are you opening 905 01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:49,800 the door for some negotiation? Maybe some 906 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:54,800 just [clears throat] a just a thought. That's just a thought. 907 01:16:52,239 --> 01:16:57,920 » Yeah. Um, when we first retained the building 908 01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:03,280 official and we and we set the compensation at a 909 01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:08,080 rate higher than what the what the current grade scale even indicates, I 910 01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:13,840 would suppose at that time we probably should have done a a an employment 911 01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:22,679 contract to go along with that, not just a normal hiring. Um, which would have 912 01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:22,679 addressed that issue right there. Um, 913 01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:35,840 I don't I don't I don't think so. I don't I don't think we would be setting 914 01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:40,640 a precedent. It's still we still have a pay scale, pay grade 915 01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:45,679 scale, um, at the time for the needs and what we determined we needed and and 916 01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:49,920 we're okay with that that level of compensation. 917 01:17:47,679 --> 01:17:55,239 Um, I think we're okay as far as not setting 918 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,239 a precedent. 919 01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:06,159 » Um, I I don't care how we vote on it. I, you know, whether you all just say that 920 01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:12,000 you give me the authority to negotiate or we address each item individually. I 921 01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:20,080 move to approve the building official's request for 922 01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:25,520 teleawwork and vacation time. Does that address those components of the eclipse? 923 01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:30,400 » You want to make that you just made a motion for just those two items so far. 924 01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:38,640 Um I second. A motion has been made and seconded to approve uh the request for 925 01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:44,239 telework agreement and um vacation approval 926 01:18:40,719 --> 01:18:49,040 um increase for the building official. Any other discussion? Well, let me let 927 01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:52,960 me add some discussion there. Is there any parameters or any limitations to the 928 01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:58,080 telework that the court would be concerned with 929 01:18:54,960 --> 01:19:02,400 or you going to let me negotiate that? As long as he meets, 930 01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:04,000 » he accomplishes the mission. >> Okay. 931 01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,880 » With excellence. >> All in favor signify by saying I 932 01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:10,560 » I >> and opposed. 933 01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:15,679 » Hearing none. Motion carries. So then the next topic is compensation. 934 01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:19,199 » How how they voted on one then I guess we'll vote on the other. 935 01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:24,560 » Yeah. If you'll make the motion, I'd appreciate it just because I might get 936 01:19:20,480 --> 01:19:32,719 the wording. So, um um I'll make a motion to approve a 937 01:19:28,719 --> 01:19:37,120 $10,000 increase um for retention of the building official salary. $10,000 938 01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:40,159 increase in salary for retention of the building official. 939 01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:45,440 » I second. >> A motion's been made and seconded 940 01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:52,560 to increase in compensation by $10,000 for the building official 941 01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:57,440 for retention. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. I 942 01:19:55,360 --> 01:20:02,159 » I opposed. N 943 01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:09,800 » and um the eyes have it. Majority motion 944 01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,800 passes. 945 01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:16,800 » Thank you for the discussion and the consideration. 946 01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:19,600 » When do we need to do the resolution? How timesensitive is that 947 01:20:18,719 --> 01:20:25,199 » resolution >> to funds? 948 01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:28,560 » Um, we can do it next court. Um, I mean, as it is right now, we're just into the 949 01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:32,480 year, so it's not going to be I mean, there's funds there that are budgeted up 950 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:35,120 to this point. I mean, technically, we wouldn't have to do it until we got down 951 01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:39,199 to the last couple of months, but we'll have it done in the next county court 952 01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:45,040 session because there, yeah, there's funds 953 01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:48,040 available to to cover it at this time. Um, 954 01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:53,400 correspondence 955 01:20:54,320 --> 01:21:01,080 have a letter from the Department of the Interior 956 01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:11,760 Bureau of Land Management. I'm pleased to announce the completion of the Lewis 957 01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:18,000 Lois Lewis Canyon Geographic Management Area final environmental impact 958 01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:22,239 statement. The final LG >> huh 959 01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:25,520 » L US E >> I don't know that's how it says 960 01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:32,000 » um the finalized LCGMA 961 01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:35,440 FBI is available at link is there in the documents for 962 01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:42,840 public or anybody who wants to look at it. Um I have a notice of public hearing 963 01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:42,840 from the city of Hines. 964 01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:48,320 And the notice is hereby given that the Hines Planning Commission will meet in 965 01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:53,199 council chambers at Hines City Hall located 101 East Barnes Avenue, Hines, 966 01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:57,920 Oregon, and remotely via Zoom on Wednesday, September 9th, 2026, 967 01:21:55,440 --> 01:22:02,320 beginning at 5:30 p.m. for a public hearing to consider the following 968 01:21:59,679 --> 01:22:05,320 requests. Application 2025-.07.008 969 01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:13,840 Telos Development. So this is in regards to the application. The um Telles 970 01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:20,080 development company has submitted an application to create a subdivision on 971 01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:26,679 three parcels in the city of Hines. So public hearing public 972 01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:26,679 hearing city fines. 973 01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:31,840 All I had for correspondence. Any other correspondence? 974 01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:36,480 » If we could go back to the Laos Canyon Febis. 975 01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:41,360 I reached out to that contact and I hadn't checked my email in two days, but 976 01:22:39,199 --> 01:22:45,440 they did respond back and they said that the decision does not affect Harney 977 01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:50,800 County land, permittes, infrastructure, any other county interest. There was 978 01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:55,920 just a courtesy and so if you guys want or it probably makes sense I can forward 979 01:22:52,400 --> 01:23:00,480 this to Danny and it can be as correspondence to go with that. 980 01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:03,120 I just wanted to share that. >> I do have another piece of 981 01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:06,880 correspondence. I didn't I wasn't familiar with it. I 982 01:23:04,639 --> 01:23:09,760 didn't even know didn't know where it was at. 983 01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:13,679 » I figured it was out of Horn County because I hadn't heard Well, there's a 984 01:23:11,679 --> 01:23:18,639 lot of places I've heard of, but sure didn't ring a bell. 985 01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:20,560 » Just did they say where it was at? >> It's in the Vale district. 986 01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:24,000 » Bale district. >> That's all they said about it. 987 01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:28,480 » So, there was another piece of correspondence. I don't know if you both 988 01:23:25,679 --> 01:23:32,480 got your certified copy in your box. I know I've got one and it's from maybe 989 01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:36,560 it's because I made a comment quite a while ago. This is from the Department 990 01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:40,800 of the Air Force. It's a memorandum for federal, state, and local public public 991 01:23:38,719 --> 01:23:47,840 agencies, interested parties, and members of the public from a Colonel Ray 992 01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:53,360 Gunter, commander of 366 Fighter Wing and Mountain Home, Idaho Air Force Base. 993 01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:57,440 The subject is notice of availability of the draft environmental impact statement 994 01:23:55,360 --> 01:24:03,840 for the proposed homeland defense over the horizon radar northwest region. And 995 01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:10,400 basically it says that um there will be a 15-day public 996 01:24:08,239 --> 01:24:15,840 comment period beginning this Thursday, September 4th to September 19th for the 997 01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:22,320 purpose of soliciting input regarding the analysis presented in the draft EIS. 998 01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:28,719 It gives the um the website where people can go to view that 999 01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:32,480 and provide input and it also gives information on to where inquiries 1000 01:24:30,639 --> 01:24:37,360 regarding this could be directed to the Mountain Home Air Force Base public 1001 01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:39,920 affairs office. So I would like to Am I the only one who received this? 1002 01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:45,199 » I didn't get one. >> Okay. I don't know how long ago, but I 1003 01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:52,400 think you were both there when when they had their not well publicized um 1004 01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:56,000 showing of some of their early stuff. And I remember at the time I did do some 1005 01:24:54,480 --> 01:25:02,400 thinking about it, researching it and and provided some input that I submitted 1006 01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:07,600 at the time just as myself. Um so I would like this to be um go ahead and 1007 01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:11,440 scan into our record so people can access that. And that's all I had on 1008 01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:14,800 correspondence. >> Not to put more on your plate, but 1009 01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:18,000 because you have done some research, would you be willing to draft a set of 1010 01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:20,880 comments in response to that for the court? 1011 01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:25,760 » Sure. Did you submit some back at the day too? And if so, let me see those as 1012 01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:28,719 well. I don't remember if you did did or not. I don't remember what month or year 1013 01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:33,360 it was, >> but if I did, I think it was last 2025 1014 01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:40,920 sometime. I'll have to live. But yeah, I'd be happy to do that. And since 1015 01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,920 it will be 1016 01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:48,639 before our next county court meeting, the deadline, uh, if you're I can just 1017 01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:53,840 send you all an email with my draft and if you say put my name on it or don't 1018 01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:58,320 put my name on it, I'll at least submit something for myself. It's not all of us 1019 01:25:56,320 --> 01:26:01,960 or two of us. Okay, >> that's good. 1020 01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:01,960 » All right. 1021 01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:08,480 Um, scheduling. So, I already took care of kind of earlier took care of the two 1022 01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:13,760 rescheduling dates topics that I had on here. Other than that, it's normal first 1023 01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:17,360 and third. I need a calendar here. I think I've said that before. 1024 01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:21,280 » I can do that. >> I'll give one up out of my mind. It's 1025 01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:26,239 all marked up in my office and we're almost at the end of the year. We'll get 1026 01:26:22,639 --> 01:26:32,880 one for next year. Um, other than those changes 1027 01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:35,880 to the uh 16th and 6th 1028 01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:46,360 » or the uh was it >> that would be November 18th move to 1029 01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:46,360 Monday the 16th 1030 01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:55,280 » and October 7th moving to October 6th. Yeah. 1031 01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:58,960 » And then next county work date is September 16th. 1032 01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:06,600 » Okay. >> Um any other meeting schedules of 1033 01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,600 interest? 1034 01:27:09,679 --> 01:27:20,800 » We have the u September 10th um session or continued session from Wealth Works 1035 01:27:17,679 --> 01:27:24,320 uh with Harney High Partnership etc. that um is something we've been going 1036 01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:28,320 to. That's the next one is >> which one? What day was it? 1037 01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:33,040 » September 10th at 8:30. You can either go to the high desert partnership 1038 01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:38,960 and join the folks who will be there or you can zoom in. I'll probably zoom in. 1039 01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:44,159 Could can I ask about that because I was thinking about it and 1040 01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:48,480 since we are starting to deliberate things that we are going to take action 1041 01:27:45,679 --> 01:27:53,280 on in that do we need to publicly notice that meeting 1042 01:27:51,679 --> 01:27:56,239 » because I think there's a lot of value in us all attending but I feel like 1043 01:27:55,199 --> 01:28:01,600 we're getting to the point where our options are either to delegate 1044 01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:06,560 » one person to go or to publicly >> what's an example of an action you think 1045 01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,560 » like the riff 1046 01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:12,639 stuff and we kind of deliberate how we're going to put in for that. Or maybe 1047 01:28:11,679 --> 01:28:18,000 I'm wrong. I was >> I think we cover it and we discuss it at 1048 01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:22,639 county court meetings, but that's just my thought. I mean, that's it's almost 1049 01:28:20,639 --> 01:28:28,560 like a work session, those things, even though it's it's kind of high level. And 1050 01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:33,360 then if we say we think the county can help in this way, then that would be 1051 01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:36,719 something we discuss throughout. You can you can check with high desert 1052 01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:40,320 partners what their intent is, but I don't think 1053 01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:45,760 I think it's more of a a work session for kind of a a little group of specific 1054 01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:52,000 partners or like the governmental entities. I agree 1055 01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:59,280 that any any formal decisions definitely have to be brought back to this to this 1056 01:28:54,320 --> 01:29:03,600 body. Um and I think in our last in our last 1057 01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:09,199 session it it was comments from each of us 1058 01:29:06,639 --> 01:29:10,719 towards the group not deliberation between ourselves. 1059 01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:14,400 » Right? >> So as long as we're careful on that part 1060 01:29:12,719 --> 01:29:18,960 of it and not deliberating between ourselves on some kind of an agreeance 1061 01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:23,040 or plan for the county then we're not deliberating and it doesn't create that 1062 01:29:21,679 --> 01:29:26,719 quorum issue. >> No, I think you guys are right. I just 1063 01:29:24,639 --> 01:29:30,159 want to talk about I think I think you know when I'm sitting there and I'm 1064 01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:33,360 thinking of my comments are to the group as a whole 1065 01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:37,679 um >> it's brainstorming. We're doing a lot of 1066 01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:43,280 brainstorming is what it is. So >> when it comes down to that so we'll be 1067 01:29:39,199 --> 01:29:48,639 careful to make sure that we bring stuff from that back 1068 01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:54,480 along the way as appropriate. Um, there's a maybe I've got it wrong, 1069 01:29:52,239 --> 01:29:59,920 but if anyone's interested, I hadn't penciled in that Pacific Core OTC 1070 01:29:57,679 --> 01:30:06,560 transmission topic, transmission line topic that there's a virtual 1071 01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:12,239 session on September 9th from 6:00 to 7:00 p.m. I'm going to zoom in if I if 1072 01:30:10,239 --> 01:30:16,880 I'm available just to hear. I'm not working that issue per se, just general 1073 01:30:14,719 --> 01:30:19,880 awareness. Uh, 1074 01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:31,040 I'm going to participate on the 15th in the 211 roundt. 1075 01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:36,400 Um, that I'm I forget who's hosting it, but 1076 01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:40,719 I I thought for emergency management and time such as that, I I had the time. So, 1077 01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:44,400 I'm going to go. It's a three-hour meeting. Not sure. 1078 01:30:43,199 --> 01:30:48,480 » September 15th. The >> 15th. Yeah. 1079 01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:51,840 and it's it's at 11 and it's you have to sign up ahead of time and it's got a 1080 01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:57,199 lunch in it and it's going to be out of the tribe. So, I'll represent or listen 1081 01:30:55,199 --> 01:31:00,800 in for Harney County and bring anything back to you all. If you have any thing 1082 01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:05,560 you want to talk to me about before that, please do. That's all I had. 1083 01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:13,840 » Oh, the mission for >> Oh, yeah. The old Bernie County Fair 1084 01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:17,840 from the 8th to the 13th. It's coming up. 1085 01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:22,800 There's a fivemile dam meeting on the 14th, which I haven't attended any of 1086 01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:27,520 those, but I probably will because if we can get them hooked up with the Klein 1087 01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:32,239 Schmidt consultants, I think there'd be a lot of knowledge in that group. 1088 01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:37,280 Where's the Oregon Infrastructure Summit that conflicts with our next 1089 01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:40,000 county court meeting? I was trying to pull up that email to see what that was 1090 01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:44,719 about. >> What day was that meeting? 1091 01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:50,880 » On the six. Wait, what day was the five mile band meeting is on Monday? 1092 01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:57,280 I think it's at it's in the afternoon. Hold on. I'll tell you exactly. 1093 01:31:54,080 --> 01:32:01,840 » 1 to 2 at the community center, I believe, is where that 1094 01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:08,600 » Monday the 14th. >> Thank you. 1095 01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:08,600 » Oregon Infrastructure 1096 01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:19,440 Is this the one that's in >> I think you need to go to a few more 1097 01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:23,320 conferences. >> Yeah. Yeah. 1098 01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:28,560 » Statewide forum focused on infrastructure investments, policies and 1099 01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:32,199 partnerships needed to support Oregon's communities and economies. 1100 01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:39,159 business leaders and infrastructure professionals for a day of high level 1101 01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:39,159 discussion. 1102 01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:49,679 » Even get a railroad do it. >> Yeah. I mean, it sounds pretty 1103 01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:52,880 important, but also don't know. Was that on anyone else's radars? 1104 01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:57,679 » What day is it? >> It's on the 16th. 1105 01:32:56,560 --> 01:33:04,480 » County court date. >> County court date. No. 1106 01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:08,960 I don't recall seeing it. Oregon Infrastructure Summit. 1107 01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:14,320 Who is it? Is it by Business Oregon? >> Business Oregon and Northwest 1108 01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:18,280 Environmental Business Council. Looks like it's in Salem. 1109 01:33:24,639 --> 01:33:31,840 Yeah, I might if you haven't seen it, I might forward it to you guys, but I 1110 01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:36,639 don't know. I think I probably saw that and looked 1111 01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:42,960 on calendar and thought about it and didn't 1112 01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:47,120 situation didn't sound out. Honestly, part of me kind of feels like we need to 1113 01:33:45,440 --> 01:33:51,600 get our own house in order first. And we've been working pretty hard at lining 1114 01:33:48,639 --> 01:33:57,120 out our infrastructure. And so >> that's that's how I feel, but also um 1115 01:33:55,199 --> 01:34:02,239 you know, the legislature is always a big piece of of things that we always 1116 01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:08,480 need addressed. So, you know, I don't know if there's going to be an 1117 01:34:03,679 --> 01:34:15,040 opportunity for to get some uh after conference summary of some highlights, 1118 01:34:10,639 --> 01:34:20,159 you know, that they might put out is to >> rebuilding our transportation vision. 1119 01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:24,159 Hopefully, a good one. >> Yeah. Whose vision has 1120 01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:29,040 » Well, it won't be ours if we're not in the room. 1121 01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:35,679 I I have I have to say that there's one coming up in December that I've gone to 1122 01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:38,560 which is the the governor's uh >> business 1123 01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:41,920 » business leadership summit something like that. I'm not going to it this 1124 01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:44,880 year. I've gone the last two three years and it and I get absolutely nothing out 1125 01:34:44,480 --> 01:34:48,800 of it. >> Portland centric. 1126 01:34:46,159 --> 01:34:51,760 » Yeah. Last year was it? 1127 01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:55,600 » Yeah. >> Countyentric. 1128 01:34:52,880 --> 01:35:00,800 » Yeah. But it doesn't include if it was the governor's plan for the entire 1129 01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:03,920 economics of the state and covered all four corners of it. That would be 1130 01:35:02,480 --> 01:35:08,000 different and that would be something that we'd want to be in tune with to 1131 01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:13,760 make sure we're working with and not against. But it doesn't do that. It the 1132 01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:18,159 first year was entirely about Portland. >> The governor came out and scolded 1133 01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:23,440 everybody and said stop digging on Portland, 1134 01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:28,560 you know. And then the next year it was all Eugene centric and all of their big 1135 01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:33,120 plans and everything. But that doesn't well in the first year too I I took 1136 01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:38,320 exception with that that they made the statement that the entire economy of the 1137 01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:43,360 state of Oregon is uh revolves around Portland. And I'm like I don't know of 1138 01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:48,159 any any time in my lifetime that a dime earned in Portland benefited Tarnney 1139 01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:54,239 County. Well, 1140 01:35:49,679 --> 01:35:58,480 remember when uh Tim, you know, was appointed to to lead some 1141 01:35:56,480 --> 01:36:03,920 type of economic um thing 16 members. Nobody from the 1142 01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:09,520 east side. I mean it was agriculture is not even a 1143 01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:12,159 thing that they >> so while I 1144 01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:16,960 » they define business a certain way that excludes us and they and that sounds 1145 01:36:14,719 --> 01:36:22,639 like that forum you've tried you've gone two or three times right and uh tried to 1146 01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:26,960 speak up and do stuff and it's just it's not a good use of 1147 01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:30,639 » I usually sit with AOC members 1148 01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:37,120 » they have an AOC couple of AOC tables and I'm not the only one um AOC staff 1149 01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:42,639 themselves have not been have not been uh real impressed with it 1150 01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:45,679 in past years as well. >> I remembered you saying that and that's 1151 01:36:44,239 --> 01:36:49,440 what I kind of wondered about this one. I'll reach out to 1152 01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:54,639 » So I guess my point being is regards to this one is that I'm a little it doesn't 1153 01:36:53,199 --> 01:36:57,840 do good to bury your head in the sand and ignore all of these opportunities 1154 01:36:56,159 --> 01:37:02,880 and we're not representing ourselves and we don't have any representation or or 1155 01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:09,119 leadership from county to them. But I'm just a little tainted on these meetings 1156 01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:11,600 that are organized and coordinated and and centric to the west side of the 1157 01:37:11,199 --> 01:37:16,880 city. >> I'm going to put that as a very brief 1158 01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:21,040 hot topic at our AOC district 2 hot topic and just say there's this thing 1159 01:37:19,679 --> 01:37:26,239 who's been going. What's your impression? Here's county's impression. 1160 01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:30,159 AOC, you're here. you know, and just get some more. Um, 1161 01:37:28,239 --> 01:37:35,360 » actually, I think the int the attendance overall in the last three years of that 1162 01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:39,199 business leadership summit has dropped from my times I've been too. So, I don't 1163 01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:42,320 think all, you know, all the way around. I think people are stopped going to that 1164 01:37:40,639 --> 01:37:45,760 one. And that one could be just in and of itself. And the other ones have 1165 01:37:43,679 --> 01:37:48,960 value. I'm I don't without going, we don't know. 1166 01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:52,320 » You definitely need to put on schedule. Do you have any dates? 1167 01:37:50,639 --> 01:37:57,360 I don't >> other than I mean it's on my calendar 1168 01:37:54,960 --> 01:38:02,000 but just for meetings and scheduling whatever I'll be out Thursday and Friday 1169 01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:07,119 this week. Monday's a holiday and the following 1170 01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:11,239 week I'm out Thursday, Friday the 17th and 18th I think it is. 1171 01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:22,320 » Okay. >> I need more vacation time too. I want to 1172 01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:26,239 lobby for more vacation time. I think I've only with these days 1173 01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:31,080 » these days off I've only taken about eight days this year 1174 01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:31,080 » so far. 1175 01:38:34,719 --> 01:38:44,239 » Were you gonna did you already? >> Yeah, that's it. That's all I had. 1176 01:38:40,719 --> 01:38:47,440 » Um for scheduling then uh regular court dates general 1177 01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:52,000 deliberation. I don't really have anything. I think 1178 01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:57,199 most of what we've covered just normal business continuing jail 1179 01:38:54,800 --> 01:39:04,560 project. You can see it's moving along. Still dealing with O uh OJ on um 1180 01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:08,639 uh funding our monthly invoices with them 1181 01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:14,000 and putting a package together that they like to see and we'll approve. They're 1182 01:39:11,119 --> 01:39:17,679 being they tell us one thing and then don't deliver on their end. So get a 1183 01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:21,840 little frustrated. Um, as you can see, we have some 1184 01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:27,360 screening equipment out in the foyer. Now, that is uh was all purchased with 1185 01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:33,679 state funds, circuit court funds, OJD funds for court security. 1186 01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:38,320 They have a training session on October 8th, I think, for anybody who will be 1187 01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:43,440 operating this the scanner and whatnot, sheriff's office staff. And u then we're 1188 01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:47,199 looking at going live with it around the middle of October. Is that where they're 1189 01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:49,360 going to have that stuff or they just set it down? 1190 01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:54,480 » That's where it's going to be until we have have the ability to reconstruct. 1191 01:39:52,880 --> 01:40:02,239 Yeah, just >> um I did as you may recall through the 1192 01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:07,520 AOC OJ courthouse task force last well earlier this year I guess it 1193 01:40:04,159 --> 01:40:14,880 was J January February time frame I submitted a request for 1194 01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:20,400 » 1.5 1.7 million I have to pull it up and refresh but somewhere around there for 1195 01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:25,679 capital improvement funds to build a an addition to the front of the courthouse 1196 01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:30,320 for a security screening checkpoint that all this would then move into. Um all 1197 01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:33,440 the ADA access and everything would then come through the front of the 1198 01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:38,159 courthouse. >> I remember. 1199 01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:41,920 » So it's there until we but but it's good to have it there now. you know, in a lot 1200 01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:45,360 of instances, it's probably going to be pocket knives and whatnot that people 1201 01:40:43,679 --> 01:40:50,880 forget to take out of their pockets or whatever, but um all of that goes 1202 01:40:47,679 --> 01:40:54,000 towards statistics and proving that, you know, and to be quite honest, at 1203 01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:58,960 this point right now, we don't know who walks into circuit court or the 1204 01:40:55,280 --> 01:41:04,080 courthouse with a concealed weapon on. So, um, in my past life in law 1205 01:41:02,480 --> 01:41:08,159 enforcement and being an active shooter instructor, 1206 01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:10,880 uh, it's not a matter of if Harney County has ever hit with an active 1207 01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:17,280 shooter situation. It's a matter of when. And I think our 1208 01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:24,159 distant past or recent past, whatever you want to call it, um, ex exhibits the 1209 01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:29,360 fact that, uh, things can happen. So, I I I welcome it. I'm glad we have 1210 01:41:27,119 --> 01:41:34,000 it. It's going to be a cultural adjustment for people, but um I think 1211 01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:38,800 it's in this day and age, it's a it's a necessary 1212 01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:45,760 function. That's all I really have. 1213 01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:50,320 » I got several quick uh Okay. So for association foreign counties district 2 1214 01:41:48,239 --> 01:41:55,679 I'm reaching out to our the commissioners and judge the one judge to 1215 01:41:53,199 --> 01:42:02,000 tell them which you've got an email from me but um which of the offices of that 1216 01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:06,159 organization are up for election etc. And I'm encouraging and people are very 1217 01:42:04,239 --> 01:42:11,760 busy and I know Commissioner Frank you are very busy 1218 01:42:08,159 --> 01:42:16,080 but I would like to put a bug in your or be nominated for the least hard thing to 1219 01:42:14,239 --> 01:42:20,159 do which just being an alternate so you might not have to do anything. It's just 1220 01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:24,159 a one year. So Hardy County at least have somebody doing something and that 1221 01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:29,199 would be the AOC district 2 representative to the AOC membership 1222 01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:32,960 committee alternate. We'll have some would you consider that and if not we 1223 01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:38,320 can talk later. I hate having to twist people's arms, but it's everybody's so 1224 01:42:35,119 --> 01:42:40,239 busy. Um, I'm getting, you know, I'm having those conversations. You can 1225 01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:44,080 think about it. >> Yeah, we can talk about that. I agree. 1226 01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:50,560 » I'm trying to give you the one that's least likely to have any time that you 1227 01:42:47,199 --> 01:42:53,560 would have put it. Um, let me know. Um, okay. 1228 01:42:53,920 --> 01:43:04,960 uh just to check in on any of the um delinquent taxes that are 1229 01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:11,199 situation of any large amounts and where >> there's no no change that I'm aware of. 1230 01:43:08,159 --> 01:43:15,040 » How many years into it are we >> the one big account the biggest account 1231 01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:18,920 that's delinquent? I think we're starting the fourth year. 1232 01:43:19,119 --> 01:43:25,920 And without getting too much into it, was a recent award of a lot of federal 1233 01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:30,560 grant was that aimed at that same 1234 01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:37,280 » so that >> so um the one account that is delinquent 1235 01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:42,159 the most that that is back delinquent in taxes the most is is that facility out 1236 01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:47,920 there. um they were awarded a 2 million even I 1237 01:43:45,679 --> 01:43:52,960 think it was 2 million even uh grant from USDA for forest products 1238 01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:57,600 and what they're what they're doing is they're expanding currently right now 1239 01:43:54,880 --> 01:44:03,119 they they make alpha alpha pellets they're going to expand into fuel 1240 01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:10,800 pellets for pellet stoves same same size of pellet uh and make and make fire heat 1241 01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:15,199 fuel pellets they can switch in the summertime and 1242 01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:18,719 make same system, same production line. They can make alphalfpha pellets in the 1243 01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:22,159 summertime, spring, spring through summer, whatever that looks like, and 1244 01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:29,199 then switch production to fuel pellets in the in the fall, winter time. I would 1245 01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:33,520 they can't use those funds to pay their back taxes, I guess, is the short short 1246 01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:38,880 part of that. It's all about uh equipment purchase and whatnot. I will 1247 01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:42,880 say I'm encouraged by it because it it increases production and possibility of 1248 01:44:41,199 --> 01:44:47,679 jobs and everything else that go along with it and allows them or hopefully 1249 01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:52,560 gets them to a track where they're back on track with their prop property taxes. 1250 01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:57,360 » I just I get people who ask me. >> Yeah, I've seen I've seen some of the 1251 01:44:54,560 --> 01:45:02,639 social media comments on on it recently about 1252 01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:08,560 about that topic. Um Yeah. I will say too though that 1253 01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:13,920 the dynamics of back taxes and going into foreclosure, it runs almost a six 1254 01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:20,560 to sevenyear cycle before a property is ever even um deeded to the county, 1255 01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:26,000 before it's a done deal and that and and that a motion or action from circuit 1256 01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:31,119 court deeds it to the county. year one, two, and three, an individual, 1257 01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:38,080 any individual, whether it's a homeowner or whatever, can pay their back taxes 1258 01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:41,520 the most delinquent year. And there are some properties in Harney County that do 1259 01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:45,679 that. They're three years in the rears and they pay the last most most 1260 01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:50,800 delinquent year and keeps them afloat another year. There are some properties 1261 01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:54,639 that kind of have that track record. Um 1262 01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:57,840 once you get past that third year, you can't and get into the fourth year, you 1263 01:45:56,480 --> 01:46:02,880 can't just go back and pay the most delinquent year. You then have to pay 1264 01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:06,159 all three delinquent years. So in this case, I believe that's where they're at 1265 01:46:04,239 --> 01:46:09,600 at this point where in order for them to stay 1266 01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:13,600 operational, they would have to go back and pay all three delinquent years, I 1267 01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:18,239 believe. I would have to clarify that with the assessor, but I believe that's 1268 01:46:15,119 --> 01:46:21,760 my understanding. Um, looks like there's somebody from the 1269 01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:27,760 assessor's office on. Is that correct? 1270 01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:34,480 If you can answer that. I think it's Jennifer. Is it Jennifer? 1271 01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:39,840 » It's not muted. >> So, anyway, that that's my 1272 01:46:36,159 --> 01:46:44,400 understanding. Um, so you know, again, if they're planning 1273 01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:47,520 on continuing production, which they got a grant to do, that would mean at some 1274 01:46:46,480 --> 01:46:51,920 point they're going to have to come in and pay the taxes in order to stay 1275 01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:58,000 operational. So, I see it as a good thing, but 1276 01:46:56,080 --> 01:47:00,480 when when it finally happens, I have no idea. 1277 01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:04,639 » Okay. um regarding 1278 01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:09,199 the flood mitigation work with our 1279 01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:14,560 contractor group and things moving on it. I just 1280 01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:20,159 want to let you know that um two of the individuals who have spoken to me who 1281 01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:27,119 have been at county court over you know last year or so uh occasionally on uh 1282 01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:32,880 and that would be Louis and Melody Mold. Um, I did send them each a a fairly long 1283 01:47:30,239 --> 01:47:37,199 text saying, "Here's a situation. You need to contact Brandon McMullen and 1284 01:47:34,639 --> 01:47:43,040 please let your neighbors or county court. Let them know that they need to 1285 01:47:40,480 --> 01:47:47,440 contact Brandon McMullen. He's the lead on this 1286 01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:52,000 to see if you can have an opportunity or still have an opportunity. Provide that 1287 01:47:49,679 --> 01:47:56,960 information, data, or anything else you have that you want to be considered into 1288 01:47:53,600 --> 01:48:00,719 this." So, I put in their court. I talked to Brandon first to make sure 1289 01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:04,800 that's that's how it works. So, I hope that that word gets out to all the 1290 01:48:02,480 --> 01:48:11,239 interested parties and if they do or they don't. Um, let's see. uh 1291 01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:19,840 the contracting policy that's in the works 1292 01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:23,040 uh you know and what levels you know >> procurement 1293 01:48:20,639 --> 01:48:26,719 » procurement and does that also include procurement of services 1294 01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:31,679 » yes services goods >> does it have a pretty good piece in it 1295 01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:36,400 about conflict of interest or perceived 1296 01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:39,600 conflict of interest or not and I just throw that 1297 01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:44,480 Not because I'm trying to point fingers or say anything was or wasn't, but 1298 01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:48,080 incidents in the recent work at the fair grounds, you know, one of the 1299 01:48:46,480 --> 01:48:52,000 individuals on fair board who happened to have that expertise was, you know, 1300 01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:56,159 called on to do stuff, etc. And I'm sure did receive some pay or will. So, I 1301 01:48:54,159 --> 01:49:02,880 mean, just not getting nit. I haven't looked at the 1302 01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:07,360 latest rendition, but you know, just the more we can just line things out easily 1303 01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:12,239 and whether it's needs to be stringent or not so stringent, but proper. 1304 01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:15,040 » I I first off, I thank Commissioner Frank for taking that on and 1305 01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:19,199 spearheading that because I've been trying to work with county council for 1306 01:49:16,639 --> 01:49:23,440 over two years and getting that policy updated, especially because it has new 1307 01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:26,000 limits on it for spending limits, increased limits. 1308 01:49:25,440 --> 01:49:31,040 um >> you know as to whether any other 1309 01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:34,480 announcement of even if it's a short fuse or not you know if it's an 1310 01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:39,920 emergency situation uh >> and I haven't had a chance to to review 1311 01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:45,840 the entire and I saw your reply as far as um whether that's like a a forward- 1312 01:49:42,639 --> 01:49:52,239 facing county policy type of a document whereas the the actual 1313 01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:57,600 governing document would be a would be something else like the the uh resol 1314 01:49:54,719 --> 01:50:00,080 resolution would be something else. I I like that. I think that sounds good. 1315 01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:04,960 That would be like that would serve as like an attachment to the resolution. 1316 01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:08,080 Um, but I also, like I said, I haven't reviewed the whole thing yet, but I 1317 01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:11,760 think we need to consider, too. And if there's some not some language in there, 1318 01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:18,159 there needs to be some language in there about when we're doing business with 1319 01:50:14,159 --> 01:50:26,880 federal dollars and the requirements of of u title 2 CFR, Code of Federal 1320 01:50:22,480 --> 01:50:32,800 Regulations, as to um federal guidelines on reporting and and uses and 1321 01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:38,000 everything. Um, oh, some of that's coming into play right now with these OJ 1322 01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:42,400 dollars for the for the uh jail project because those are actually ARPA funds. 1323 01:50:39,679 --> 01:50:45,360 So, they're federal dollars and we have to comply with not only the state's 1324 01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:50,480 requirements but the federal government's requirements on those 1325 01:50:46,639 --> 01:50:54,719 dollars. So, I think um when when and if a department or anybody's looking at 1326 01:50:52,080 --> 01:51:00,800 applying for federal dollars that we should probably have language that 1327 01:50:57,040 --> 01:51:06,320 addresses concerns of 2CFR. I think it's 2 CFR 200. 1328 01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:12,320 » Awesome. Anyway, that was just I just wanted to pass that thought, not trying 1329 01:51:08,639 --> 01:51:16,000 to request anything specific. And then in the discussion earlier on the agenda 1330 01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:22,320 item of the building official and the compensation stuff. So 1331 01:51:19,119 --> 01:51:27,600 do we do sometimes if someone is an employee and 1332 01:51:25,119 --> 01:51:33,360 is it something to think about or not not a good idea or you already do it 1333 01:51:29,679 --> 01:51:38,880 anyway on sometimes there is a a contract for an extra duty or a contract 1334 01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:43,520 for an extra role or you know i.e. I was just thinking on, you know, Grant and 1335 01:51:40,639 --> 01:51:48,560 Harney County, you know, we don't have a lot of these that have, you know, 1336 01:51:46,239 --> 01:51:54,800 two roles beyond our borders or anything else. is is that and maybe 1337 01:51:52,719 --> 01:51:59,520 again I just jot it down during today's conversation is you had said something 1338 01:51:57,440 --> 01:52:03,360 should maybe should have been a contract and that was something else but 1339 01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:08,159 » well because we filled it outside of the of what the grade scale oh said but we 1340 01:52:06,159 --> 01:52:13,119 filled it outside of that because of the expertise we were looking for but that 1341 01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:17,360 possibly should have been the only other contract that we have deals with another 1342 01:52:15,679 --> 01:52:21,920 specialized technical position and that's our nurse practitioner 1343 01:52:19,119 --> 01:52:25,280 or she nurse practitioner or is she a a physician assistant? I always get the 1344 01:52:23,199 --> 01:52:30,080 two of them confused. Over at the over at the RHC at the health clinic, that 1345 01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:37,760 individual is on a contract based on and again um 1346 01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:42,480 the only time you can contract out for uh labor personnel services is for 1347 01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:49,119 specialty type positions. you know, attorneys, um, engineers, surveyors, 1348 01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:53,760 um, medical professionals, those kind of things. Your normal positions, you can't 1349 01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:59,599 do that with this position with the building official. Um, you potentially 1350 01:52:57,360 --> 01:53:03,119 could have been >> a physician's assistant. 1351 01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:06,560 » Physicians assistant. Thank you. I always get to do 1352 01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:10,520 » somebody who's listening. Um, so, 1353 01:53:10,639 --> 01:53:14,239 so it's something we probably should have explored and I didn't think about 1354 01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:17,040 it at the time. >> That's fine. I just had a question since 1355 01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:19,599 I don't know what that stuff about. That's all I had. 1356 01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:23,679 » And I'm actually I think I think I'm going to in light of this and this 1357 01:53:21,440 --> 01:53:29,199 discussion, I'm going to confer with CIS who does our, you know, covers this for 1358 01:53:26,719 --> 01:53:33,119 labor issues. I'm going to confer with them and county council and determine 1359 01:53:30,719 --> 01:53:37,119 whether we need to have that kind of a of a contract moving forward. 1360 01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:43,360 Thanks. I'm done. >> That procurement manual doesn't have a 1361 01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:48,159 conflict of interest section, but it does 1362 01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:54,639 have criteria in RFP process that doesn't 1363 01:53:50,239 --> 01:53:57,599 that tries to uh discourage favoritism. But I think that's a valid question to 1364 01:53:56,000 --> 01:54:01,440 ask Audrey. And since we want to ask her about the federal 1365 01:53:59,679 --> 01:54:05,199 funds as well, and for it to be a manual, I mean, it's 50 pages. It's a 1366 01:54:03,199 --> 01:54:09,599 beast. But I think as a department head, it would be really handy to have that 1367 01:54:06,719 --> 01:54:13,520 document if you had questions. And the way she put it, it lines it out. It's 1368 01:54:11,679 --> 01:54:17,599 kind of a if this, then do this. >> And I think I was 1369 01:54:15,679 --> 01:54:23,280 today's thought was more am I thinking of when do you have to RFP? 1370 01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:27,199 Because if you don't, it might look like a complicated. It 1371 01:54:24,719 --> 01:54:32,480 might be that's the only person, you know, who's got the 1372 01:54:30,159 --> 01:54:36,159 locally that has the skills or availability to do it, you know, and 1373 01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:38,400 it's a short-term thing and, you know, just 1374 01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:42,480 » there there's all kinds of provisions for within the procurement process. 1375 01:54:40,639 --> 01:54:46,480 Number one, the dollar amount and how much solicitation you have to do, 1376 01:54:44,719 --> 01:54:50,400 whether it's something small that you can go direct to anybody and just 1377 01:54:48,239 --> 01:54:54,880 contract it. whether it's intermediate and you have to do some informal 1378 01:54:52,320 --> 01:55:00,000 searches or it gets higher to a larger one and you have to do a formalized RFP. 1379 01:54:57,840 --> 01:55:05,119 Um there are also provisions for soul sourcing wherein you're talking about a 1380 01:55:02,639 --> 01:55:09,840 service or a good that only one individual or organization or entity 1381 01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:15,440 company is the only one that provides that that that service or good that 1382 01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:24,719 you're looking for. Um it gets complex the the the uh procurement 1383 01:55:19,199 --> 01:55:29,040 Right. Uh uh OS is four chapters. That's 179 1384 01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:34,320 I want to say or something like OS 179 seems I don't know how but anyway but 1385 01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:40,400 it's it's it's chapter A, B, C and D. There are four very big chapters dealing 1386 01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:45,119 with procurement on on that. So it's very it's very complex. 1387 01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:50,400 » Thanks. General deliberation. First off, capital 1388 01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:55,599 improvements update on the fairgrounds. There will be lights in the event center 1389 01:55:52,880 --> 01:56:00,080 fair and the doors be up, which is exciting. And the carnival's coming 1390 01:55:57,360 --> 01:56:04,960 back, which took a lot of work from the fair board and fair manager because 1391 01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:07,280 there was there was a period there where we weren't sure if we're going to be 1392 01:56:06,239 --> 01:56:10,960 able to get that back. So, >> is it the same carnival as last year or 1393 01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:16,960 different ones? Same. >> So, that's exciting. 1394 01:56:13,119 --> 01:56:21,599 real quickly. Uh, last Sunday, not last Sunday, Sunday the 23rd, whenever that 1395 01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:26,320 was, BOSCA had their meeting and talked about legislative priorities. But some 1396 01:56:24,159 --> 01:56:32,239 of the big priorities they'll have is a legislative concept which would 1397 01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:36,719 make the state coordinate with local governments if they are giving any grant 1398 01:56:34,639 --> 01:56:41,440 funds or appropriations to any local groups like nonprofits or NOS's or 1399 01:56:39,599 --> 01:56:47,360 anything like that. Yeah. to make sure that it aligns with what the counties 1400 01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:52,480 » and hopefully that will also fit broad, >> right? And then there's also it was 1401 01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:57,440 brought up after the fact. Should we lump unfunded mandates into that and so 1402 01:56:55,760 --> 01:57:01,280 we're working on a potential other legislative concept that will address 1403 01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:06,159 unfunded mandates because ironically there are statutes which prohibit 1404 01:57:03,199 --> 01:57:09,920 unfunded mandates but it doesn't seem to be very effective because we have a lot 1405 01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:14,719 of them. I'm glad glad that's will get worked on particularly on if the the 1406 01:57:12,239 --> 01:57:18,480 counties can at least eyeball oh yeah those are legitimate you know they all 1407 01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:24,880 do some of that work that's fine we don't have to spend a lot of time on it 1408 01:57:20,719 --> 01:57:29,679 but when that when that fictitious fraud website that said it was covering Harney 1409 01:57:27,119 --> 01:57:34,320 Grant and few other counties got actually got funded by OA 1410 01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:38,159 three years ago for something that was supposed to be CBOS's and our public 1411 01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:41,920 health They they discovered this had happened 1412 01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:45,520 because they said we aren't a CBO but we are the only entity that you know can 1413 01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:49,040 provide these services in Harney County and we would like to maybe get a waiver 1414 01:57:47,119 --> 01:57:54,239 and they no you're already funded your countyy's already funded. So that would 1415 01:57:51,599 --> 01:57:58,639 touch on that some of that work. Yes. >> Thank you. 1416 01:57:55,360 --> 01:58:02,880 » Uh DA funding and more specifically deputy DA funding from the state is 1417 01:58:01,119 --> 01:58:08,159 another legislative concept they're working on. Right now, the state funds 1418 01:58:05,679 --> 01:58:12,800 DAS, but it does it at a much lesser amount than it does 1419 01:58:10,400 --> 01:58:17,599 public defenders and in a in a way smaller ratio, which affects our public 1420 01:58:15,599 --> 01:58:22,480 justice program, >> but also they don't fund deputy DAs at 1421 01:58:20,159 --> 01:58:28,480 all. So, in a lot of these counties, counties who have more discretionary 1422 01:58:24,719 --> 01:58:33,599 money can supplement that DA funding to recruit DAS and they can also pay 1423 01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:38,800 several deputy DAs. We've had a deputy DA position that's been unfilled for 1424 01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:42,880 years because we can't offer it out of pay that incentivizes anyone to come 1425 01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:46,159 here and so >> yeah we're working on a concept with 1426 01:58:44,480 --> 01:58:50,960 that of course need to reach out to the DA's group to see what they're thinking 1427 01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:56,000 on that but that is another priority and then EMS 1428 01:58:53,280 --> 01:59:02,320 that kind of came out of the the listening session we did in 1429 01:58:59,679 --> 01:59:12,400 there are all these barriers and now we don't have EMS and EMTs in rural areas 1430 01:59:06,719 --> 01:59:16,159 and Jefferson County has an EMT and a commissioner who are have done a lot of 1431 01:59:14,719 --> 01:59:21,520 research on that and so they might take the lead on that but I I'll also share 1432 01:59:18,159 --> 01:59:30,000 with the group our new EMS supervisor director Jim is planning 1433 01:59:26,719 --> 01:59:33,599 some trainings for EMR which isn't EMS certification but it's emergency respon 1434 01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:36,960 response and he's going to be targeting >> first responders, 1435 01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:40,880 » I think. So, yeah, he's going to be targeting RFPA because they're already 1436 01:59:39,360 --> 01:59:45,199 out in the county. They already have some structure and organization and just 1437 01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:49,040 having a network of people that could respond with a little bit of training to 1438 01:59:46,880 --> 01:59:52,320 keep one of the big things is if somebody passes out before an ambulance 1439 01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:56,560 gets to them in the fields and can't tell them their name or any of their 1440 01:59:54,239 --> 02:00:00,800 medical issues or where they're from, someone first on the scene can get that 1441 01:59:58,320 --> 02:00:06,080 information and have it. Anyway, that was another good thing being worked on. 1442 02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:10,320 And then I think Umatella County will take the lead on pursuing nuclear 1443 02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:17,280 studies and the color of water which has to do with point of diversion, but it it 1444 02:00:14,239 --> 02:00:20,400 affects all of Oregon, but it county tried running that last year. It has to 1445 02:00:19,040 --> 02:00:23,679 do with basically if you have one point of diversion from a river, you could 1446 02:00:22,400 --> 02:00:26,000 change your point of diversion. It doesn't change your water right or 1447 02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:31,360 anything else like that. You're just changing where you're taking the water 1448 02:00:27,599 --> 02:00:37,040 from. And so those were some of their priorities they went over. I reached out 1449 02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:41,679 to the RFPs late after our last conversation about whether or not we 1450 02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:46,639 should pursue becoming RFPA members. And as of Monday, I'd heard back from at 1451 02:00:43,679 --> 02:00:50,880 least four of the seven RFPAs. When I have more information about if we can, 1452 02:00:49,119 --> 02:00:54,800 what their bylaws are, what potential costs would be, I'll bring that back. 1453 02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:58,800 And my one last thing, we've already talked about it a bit, but judge, I was 1454 02:00:57,119 --> 02:01:01,280 just wondering, something came out in the paper and I 1455 02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:04,639 haven't read the paper yet about foreclosures, and I was wondering if you 1456 02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:07,920 could just, you've already told us quite a bit about what that foreclosure 1457 02:01:06,239 --> 02:01:14,239 process looks like, but where does it go from here? Apparently, it was noticed in 1458 02:01:10,159 --> 02:01:18,639 the paper, and so now what happens? So, I haven't seen that story or article in 1459 02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:24,560 the newspaper, but it So, we have tax foreclosures, but 1460 02:01:22,080 --> 02:01:31,520 you also have bank private foreclosures, and the sheriff does does sales sheriff 1461 02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:38,159 sales for private foreclosures as well. Um, so I don't I don't know what the 1462 02:01:35,119 --> 02:01:41,520 article is. Um, the tax foreclosures are just that, just like we just kind of 1463 02:01:39,679 --> 02:01:46,000 briefly discussed already that somebody's three years delinquent. Then 1464 02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:50,880 it goes in a I can't remember each phase of it, but 1465 02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:54,639 there's three more years of phases of notifications and trying to get the 1466 02:01:52,880 --> 02:01:59,520 people to pay and giving them not, you know, sending notices. And then in the 1467 02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:06,159 in the seventh year basically is when it gets for practical purposes when it gets 1468 02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:09,920 uh deed to the county for back taxes. We haven't put out notice of ours. So, I'm 1469 02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:12,960 I'm guessing this person misunderstood it. It was those private foreclosures 1470 02:02:11,599 --> 02:02:19,119 that's always in the paper. That sounds like that's okay. That's what happened. 1471 02:02:15,520 --> 02:02:22,400 » Just a comment on the DA funding, etc. um what I would like to advocate for and 1472 02:02:20,960 --> 02:02:27,760 we'll mention it that is going to be one of the hot topics AOC district 2 and and 1473 02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:34,000 I'm sure AOC stuff but I believe every all 36 counties should be fully funded 1474 02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:38,880 by state dollars to have a DA and a deputy DA and whatever little bit of you 1475 02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:44,480 know office all of them at at a good competitive 1476 02:02:41,280 --> 02:02:48,080 salary in a county like Multma I remember one of their commissioners 1477 02:02:45,840 --> 02:02:51,679 telling me well we have 17 deputy DAs because we you know we have a lot of 1478 02:02:49,599 --> 02:02:56,159 people we have a lot of court cases and stuff and of course they have a lot more 1479 02:02:54,000 --> 02:03:00,639 tax revenue because they have a lot of people etc. And they said we don't 1480 02:02:59,280 --> 02:03:05,760 really have a problem paying you know and I said I know that but I said you 1481 02:03:02,639 --> 02:03:11,360 know we can never retain we often cannot retain you know good quality person who 1482 02:03:09,119 --> 02:03:16,400 otherwise would do a great job here and maybe like to live here because of the 1483 02:03:13,440 --> 02:03:21,199 discrepancy. So again, I believe the state should, if they really want our 1484 02:03:18,159 --> 02:03:25,760 our court systems to to stay timely and getting stuff done and doing a great job 1485 02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:30,639 and equity across wherever you live in order, maybe have a decent district 1486 02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:37,199 attorney office with a primary and a and a deputy that might not be looking for 1487 02:03:34,159 --> 02:03:40,880 the next race elsewhere all the time. >> Some 1488 02:03:38,800 --> 02:03:46,159 of the big that should be basic level capacity for the whole state. One of the 1489 02:03:42,880 --> 02:03:50,320 big hurdles on on retent or recruitment is I know that that our DA has gone 1490 02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:54,639 straight to law schools trying to recruit recent graduates. Well, those 1491 02:03:52,880 --> 02:04:01,679 recent graduates are coming out of law school with big heavy uh student debt 1492 02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:06,880 and and our pay is not going to is not going to allow them to pay that debt and 1493 02:04:04,639 --> 02:04:10,560 you know live or you know pay their bills. So, I don't know, maybe in 1494 02:04:08,880 --> 02:04:16,719 compensation somewhere there's some kind of uh and I don't know if I don't know 1495 02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:20,960 how you would do this on a national level, but at a state level if there was 1496 02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:25,599 some kind of student loan forgiveness for a certain amount of time of working 1497 02:04:23,119 --> 02:04:31,599 in rural areas or something, they do it they do it with uh medical 1498 02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:35,280 » staff and teachers where they work, you know, if you work in a rural area for a 1499 02:04:33,280 --> 02:04:38,320 certain number of years and a portion >> I don't know how all that would work 1500 02:04:36,480 --> 02:04:42,639 out, but maybe as an idea or a portion of or an idea for recruitment with 1501 02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:47,040 something like that comes from the state. It goes a little bit further even 1502 02:04:45,199 --> 02:04:54,400 as far as funding goes. It goes a little bit further than just DA's. The DA's 1503 02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:58,800 office is a state office, but the whole grand bargain and the circuit 1504 02:04:56,480 --> 02:05:03,599 court system. Half of our courthouse almost is is taken up by circuit court 1505 02:05:01,199 --> 02:05:07,679 and we get no revenue whatsoever. We have to fund the maintenance and the 1506 02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:11,360 infrastructure and everything for that service. 1507 02:05:09,679 --> 02:05:16,719 » Think about that blindfolded lady holding the scales. It just doesn't make 1508 02:05:13,199 --> 02:05:21,199 any sense to me the like orders of magnitude more public defenders that are 1509 02:05:19,119 --> 02:05:26,080 funded by the state than there are prosecutors. And so it's a very uneven 1510 02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:32,719 balance of prosecution to defense. And it it affects the crimes that we are 1511 02:05:28,719 --> 02:05:37,119 able to prosecute at a local level. having 1512 02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:42,800 been a juror in Arlington, Virginia, San Diego, California, and even Hung County 1513 02:05:39,599 --> 02:05:48,960 over my years. Um, not picking on any of them, but the public defenders 1514 02:05:45,599 --> 02:05:54,080 were really bad. They were I mean I just thought that poor defendant they at 1515 02:05:52,239 --> 02:05:59,360 least should have competent you know and I I just remember thinking we can't 1516 02:05:56,239 --> 02:06:05,360 factor that in but um you need to have good ones but did they did they over in 1517 02:06:02,560 --> 02:06:08,400 Oregon did they just put more money into that side or 1518 02:06:06,320 --> 02:06:11,360 » well and you know what I could be off on that 1519 02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:14,400 » other places they were like well they the prosecutors were better but other 1520 02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:18,239 places >> and I may have misstated that but the 1521 02:06:16,320 --> 02:06:22,480 fact of the matter is there more money in the private sector as a defense 1522 02:06:20,719 --> 02:06:25,280 lawyer. That's more accurate. There's more money in the 1523 02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:31,440 » private sector. >> So why would you be 1524 02:06:27,760 --> 02:06:35,920 » a DA or a deputy DA if you can go in the private sector every twice as much 1525 02:06:34,239 --> 02:06:40,560 » which is which is if you're talking private sector is comprised of both 1526 02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:44,639 public dollars for for appointed public defenders and private dollars from those 1527 02:06:43,199 --> 02:06:50,000 individuals who can pay for their own defense. 1528 02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:54,000 Well, good. It's been something that AOC in various capacities have been trying 1529 02:06:51,599 --> 02:06:59,440 to advocate for for a long time and we just keep working on it. 1530 02:06:57,599 --> 02:07:05,520 Was there anything else from the EOCA portion of that you wanted to I mean I'm 1531 02:07:02,800 --> 02:07:09,440 not looking to make this an EOC a debrief. I just 1532 02:07:07,280 --> 02:07:13,520 » Well, we just found out that the Sheets County will not be a member this year 1533 02:07:11,920 --> 02:07:18,800 and it's their new commission going forward if they want to be a member. 1534 02:07:16,719 --> 02:07:23,280 And I was thinking about like a AOC district 1535 02:07:22,159 --> 02:07:29,840 2 because I've been thinking about that stuff lately is when the shoots county 1536 02:07:26,320 --> 02:07:34,639 next year has five commissioners and 1537 02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:38,639 is beginning politically to become uh a little bit more on the loose side of 1538 02:07:36,880 --> 02:07:42,560 things. AOC District 2, see we're kind of like 1539 02:07:40,719 --> 02:07:46,880 tacked in there. You know, there's Clamoth Lake and us and then there's 1540 02:07:44,639 --> 02:07:52,800 Crook Jefferson shoots, whatever. But that that may change the flavor of that 1541 02:07:49,280 --> 02:07:56,960 district. We'll just see. Right now, we have a lot of commonality. 1542 02:07:55,040 --> 02:08:00,960 And this is the only time Har County is kind of grouped more of a central Oregon 1543 02:07:59,199 --> 02:08:06,800 with Eastern, which is good. It's good to sometimes be grouped at least one in 1544 02:08:03,440 --> 02:08:11,000 a couple forums aside from the our guys that were always grouped with. So 1545 02:08:11,199 --> 02:08:17,639 about any other discussion 1546 02:08:18,719 --> 02:08:28,520 get out of here before lunch today. If there be no further business 1547 02:08:24,800 --> 02:08:28,520 court shall adjourn.