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Yep. Okay. 46 00:02:34,300 --> 00:02:37,133 I'll call the order the September 21st, 47 00:02:37,567 --> 00:02:40,433 Paris Council Planning Commission meeting to order. 48 00:02:42,133 --> 00:02:46,033 And the first item we have on the agenda, 49 00:02:46,066 --> 00:02:48,133 am I okay without a mic in front of me? 50 00:02:48,133 --> 00:02:49,133 Is that okay? 51 00:02:49,867 --> 00:02:54,500 - I can, - You're hearing Okay. I just noticed that. Okay. 52 00:02:55,867 --> 00:02:58,867 First thing on the agenda is approval of the minutes 53 00:02:59,567 --> 00:03:01,533 from July 20th. 54 00:03:02,367 --> 00:03:04,834 Anybody care to make a motion to approve those minutes? 55 00:03:05,667 --> 00:03:08,567 I'll make a motion to approve the minutes. Second. Okay. 56 00:03:08,734 --> 00:03:10,834 Alright. All right, Maggie 57 00:03:10,934 --> 00:03:12,700 and Jeff, well, you've been asked, so. 58 00:03:13,333 --> 00:03:16,333 Alright. All in favor of approving of the July 20th minutes. 59 00:03:16,500 --> 00:03:20,734 Say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. 60 00:03:20,834 --> 00:03:21,934 That motion carries. 61 00:03:23,166 --> 00:03:25,700 Next item on the agenda is time for Public Comment 62 00:03:25,867 --> 00:03:28,033 for anything that is not on the agenda. 63 00:03:28,900 --> 00:03:32,000 So do we have anything from the public to bring up tonight? 64 00:03:33,066 --> 00:03:34,066 Roy, come on up. 65 00:03:37,700 --> 00:03:39,700 - Hi, I'm Dr. Roy Love. 66 00:03:40,066 --> 00:03:41,867 I live at 4 0 4 West Main Street 67 00:03:43,100 --> 00:03:46,834 and I just wanted to Public Comment about 68 00:03:48,033 --> 00:03:49,367 the development across the street 69 00:03:49,367 --> 00:03:51,467 that just got, is being built. 70 00:03:52,100 --> 00:03:53,700 You know, the first house is being put in there, 71 00:03:54,033 --> 00:03:57,734 seven houses, 1.5 million to $2 million houses. 72 00:04:00,100 --> 00:04:04,700 And, you know, the intent of our planning commission 73 00:04:05,133 --> 00:04:07,734 and our, and our is to fill the, 74 00:04:08,767 --> 00:04:11,834 and not go out into the surrounding areas. 75 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,900 That is what we wanna do. 76 00:04:15,900 --> 00:04:18,934 Obviously, we also talk a lot about that. 77 00:04:18,934 --> 00:04:20,500 We want to make it more affordable housing. 78 00:04:20,734 --> 00:04:23,000 We don't wanna have people coming from Lewistown 79 00:04:23,033 --> 00:04:25,233 and Lewisburg and wherever else, 80 00:04:25,233 --> 00:04:27,100 driving from Phillipsburg to be workers. 81 00:04:28,133 --> 00:04:31,100 Certainly approving a subdivision 82 00:04:31,700 --> 00:04:36,367 that you guys know is gonna take 750 loads of soil 83 00:04:37,100 --> 00:04:38,367 in order to drain correctly. 84 00:04:41,100 --> 00:04:43,500 It's not gonna be a development that is gonna appeal 85 00:04:43,500 --> 00:04:45,100 to anyone except for millionaires, 86 00:04:45,734 --> 00:04:47,367 dual income millionaires living there. 87 00:04:48,166 --> 00:04:52,900 That certainly doesn't provide any of the kind of idea 88 00:04:52,934 --> 00:04:57,266 that we want to bring in an opportunity for people 89 00:04:57,700 --> 00:05:00,367 who fit the demographic of burg. 90 00:05:02,667 --> 00:05:05,934 - Sorry, sorry, sorry. - Okay. 91 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,867 And then part of the, the criteria 92 00:05:11,300 --> 00:05:15,467 for a developer as develop, as a planning committee is 93 00:05:17,266 --> 00:05:18,333 they bring in a plan. 94 00:05:19,066 --> 00:05:21,033 The plan's already done as long 95 00:05:21,033 --> 00:05:22,500 as they fill reg regulations. 96 00:05:22,533 --> 00:05:24,667 You guys have no teeth whatsoever. 97 00:05:25,533 --> 00:05:27,634 You can't do anything to sell you 98 00:05:27,700 --> 00:05:30,066 that this doesn't fit in the community 99 00:05:30,367 --> 00:05:33,233 because it's, it's according to the regulations. 100 00:05:35,266 --> 00:05:39,667 One of the statements was the builder will try 101 00:05:39,667 --> 00:05:42,533 to pro provide and protect as many trees as possible. 102 00:05:43,166 --> 00:05:44,634 Has anyone looked at the development? 103 00:05:44,867 --> 00:05:46,166 There's not a tree left. 104 00:05:47,367 --> 00:05:50,100 I pleaded with him to, to, to take one tree. 105 00:05:50,700 --> 00:05:54,033 But according to drainage 106 00:05:54,233 --> 00:05:56,033 and the like, in order to build that, 107 00:05:56,634 --> 00:05:59,867 it's 21 feet high in the back of that development 108 00:06:01,133 --> 00:06:02,634 in order to drain correctly. 109 00:06:03,500 --> 00:06:06,734 Now, to me that's a plan 110 00:06:06,734 --> 00:06:08,533 that you guys could say, that's crazy. 111 00:06:09,567 --> 00:06:14,100 You're gonna bring in 75, 750 loads 112 00:06:14,367 --> 00:06:17,100 in order to make this drain correctly in order 113 00:06:17,100 --> 00:06:19,500 to build a development in this, in this property. 114 00:06:20,533 --> 00:06:23,066 But you can't do anything as long 115 00:06:23,066 --> 00:06:24,133 as it fits the regulations. 116 00:06:24,734 --> 00:06:28,033 As long as the builder says that that's where you guys are, 117 00:06:29,166 --> 00:06:30,900 when is it ever gonna be that you say, 118 00:06:31,033 --> 00:06:32,166 wait a minute, this is Borough. 119 00:06:33,300 --> 00:06:34,500 We wanna make it. 120 00:06:35,333 --> 00:06:39,500 Yes, we want to have more housing that provides 121 00:06:39,634 --> 00:06:40,867 so people don't have to travel. 122 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,333 This doesn't fit that model. 123 00:06:43,100 --> 00:06:46,033 But that's what I hear of why we do those things. 124 00:06:47,734 --> 00:06:51,367 Then let's, let's look at 125 00:06:52,033 --> 00:06:55,100 the idea that we're gonna save as many trees as possible. 126 00:06:56,133 --> 00:06:59,567 Last week they cut down a 2, 2, 200 year old trees 127 00:06:59,934 --> 00:07:02,567 that are directly on the property line. 128 00:07:05,667 --> 00:07:09,834 Seems to me a pretty good idea would be the tree commission 129 00:07:10,767 --> 00:07:14,100 as part of Harris Township communicates with the builder 130 00:07:14,634 --> 00:07:16,900 before the plan and said, what are you gonna do? 131 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:19,033 You guys could put that teeth in. 132 00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:25,300 But, you know, and, 133 00:07:25,300 --> 00:07:28,734 and I just would like, you know, I've lived here for 134 00:07:29,533 --> 00:07:30,567 you since 99. 135 00:07:32,133 --> 00:07:34,900 I would like to have Berg remain wonderful. 136 00:07:36,467 --> 00:07:38,367 I'm really concerned. Five years from now, 137 00:07:38,700 --> 00:07:42,100 people are gonna say, BOL used to be great, 138 00:07:42,867 --> 00:07:46,233 but now there's so many cars on the road now there's 139 00:07:46,300 --> 00:07:47,734 so much traffic on the road. 140 00:07:48,300 --> 00:07:51,133 You know, development is going to be at the top 141 00:07:51,133 --> 00:07:55,500 of the street on Main Street, the bull mansion. 142 00:07:55,934 --> 00:07:58,033 When that happens, the hole 143 00:07:58,467 --> 00:08:00,734 that is gonna also put more people on the street, 144 00:08:01,133 --> 00:08:02,667 you got lots of kids on those streets. 145 00:08:03,667 --> 00:08:06,033 It's, it is now been a younger generation 146 00:08:06,033 --> 00:08:07,100 that's moving in the area. 147 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,133 And I'm concerned that this beautiful place 148 00:08:11,133 --> 00:08:12,367 that everybody wants to live 149 00:08:13,033 --> 00:08:16,066 and thinks burg's the best place in the, is gonna go away. 150 00:08:17,266 --> 00:08:20,567 And I've watched it happen in the areas 151 00:08:20,567 --> 00:08:22,100 that I grew up in Lansdale, 152 00:08:23,033 --> 00:08:25,033 and I'm just concerned that that's gonna happen. 153 00:08:25,634 --> 00:08:28,000 And I really would like to see that not happen. 154 00:08:28,500 --> 00:08:31,433 And I think you guys have to get more teeth somehow 155 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,867 to be able to say no to developers. 156 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:37,367 I get the idea that we're gonna keep it in the, the, 157 00:08:37,500 --> 00:08:40,166 the zones and and protect the agricultural area. 158 00:08:40,533 --> 00:08:42,667 But I've also heard from some of you, wait a minute, 159 00:08:43,734 --> 00:08:45,233 what's Ferguson Township doing? 160 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,033 Seems like there's houses popping up in all these 161 00:08:48,033 --> 00:08:49,533 agriculture areas like crazy. 162 00:08:50,433 --> 00:08:52,033 What's College Township doing? 163 00:08:52,300 --> 00:08:53,734 They're popping up in all these areas 164 00:08:53,767 --> 00:08:55,700 and we're gonna abide by that, that area 165 00:08:55,867 --> 00:08:58,367 and never put a restriction on a builder as long 166 00:08:58,367 --> 00:09:00,300 as they fill in the circle area. 167 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,467 And what do we do when someone cuts down a tree 168 00:09:05,567 --> 00:09:07,934 that's 200 years old right on the property line. 169 00:09:08,834 --> 00:09:12,367 It's supposed to be only trees that were not going 170 00:09:12,367 --> 00:09:15,300 to be removed unless they were absolutely necessary. 171 00:09:16,166 --> 00:09:18,367 There's no reason that tree was cut down. 172 00:09:18,533 --> 00:09:20,533 Those two trees are cut down is 173 00:09:20,533 --> 00:09:22,266 because the owner wants to have it cut down 174 00:09:22,266 --> 00:09:25,100 so he has a better view of the pine trees behind it. 175 00:09:26,033 --> 00:09:29,567 The whole perimeter in the front, when I looked at the plan, 176 00:09:29,667 --> 00:09:32,100 had that lines that said there were going 177 00:09:32,100 --> 00:09:33,634 to be houses, there are gonna be trees. 178 00:09:34,133 --> 00:09:37,433 Do you see any trees along Main Street? None. 179 00:09:38,900 --> 00:09:41,333 And that's the, the builder's prerogative. 180 00:09:43,100 --> 00:09:47,667 I was at a a a meeting downtown when a person who goes 181 00:09:47,667 --> 00:09:49,233 to all of those meetings said, 182 00:09:49,367 --> 00:09:52,066 you guys gotta ask more from the developers 183 00:09:53,133 --> 00:09:57,133 because what's it gonna be to the developer when you say, 184 00:09:57,634 --> 00:10:00,000 Hey, you're gonna put 70 more cars on the 185 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,100 street every single day. 186 00:10:01,767 --> 00:10:03,734 We're talking about traffic calming. 187 00:10:04,100 --> 00:10:05,433 We want you to contribute to that 188 00:10:06,567 --> 00:10:08,133 - For - What are they gonna say? 189 00:10:08,133 --> 00:10:11,667 Walk outta here for a $30,000 when he's paid 190 00:10:11,734 --> 00:10:14,900 $1.5 million to just build the landfill 191 00:10:16,033 --> 00:10:18,100 and pass it on to the people who are buying it. 192 00:10:18,133 --> 00:10:21,934 The houses. Of course he's gonna say, I'll do that 193 00:10:22,834 --> 00:10:25,934 now we're going to be very concerned about putting speed 194 00:10:26,033 --> 00:10:27,066 humps on the road 195 00:10:27,066 --> 00:10:28,934 because they're gonna cost 10 grand a piece. 196 00:10:30,634 --> 00:10:32,000 Ask the developer to do it. 197 00:10:33,133 --> 00:10:37,066 You're gonna put 70 more cars on the road, contribute 198 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:39,900 to the possibility of meeting speed control. 199 00:10:42,033 --> 00:10:45,300 So that's all I wanted to talk about. It's very close to me. 200 00:10:45,300 --> 00:10:47,867 It's right across the street and you can say it's right in 201 00:10:47,867 --> 00:10:50,100 my backyard, but it doesn't make a difference. 202 00:10:50,333 --> 00:10:52,767 I care about Berg and, 203 00:10:54,367 --> 00:10:57,266 and if we, if we don't do more, you have guys, 204 00:10:57,266 --> 00:11:00,100 you guys have no teeth at stopping a developer doing 205 00:11:00,100 --> 00:11:02,133 whatever the hell he wants and you know it 206 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,333 as long as they fit the regulations. 207 00:11:05,834 --> 00:11:08,634 And I think there should be more of that. Thanks. 208 00:11:09,367 --> 00:11:12,500 - Thanks Roy. - Roy 209 00:11:12,500 --> 00:11:15,500 and I have had a brief exchange about this subject, but, 210 00:11:16,734 --> 00:11:19,300 and that's certainly a lot for us to, you know, think about. 211 00:11:19,767 --> 00:11:24,266 But anybody have any comments they wanna make for tonight 212 00:11:24,367 --> 00:11:27,000 or just something we need to keep in mind? 213 00:11:33,100 --> 00:11:35,033 All right, well thanks. Alright. 214 00:11:37,834 --> 00:11:38,900 Alright, we'll move on 215 00:11:38,900 --> 00:11:40,500 to the planning commission business then. 216 00:11:41,266 --> 00:11:44,000 First item on the agenda is the data 217 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,266 center draft. Were there 218 00:11:45,266 --> 00:11:47,634 - Any other, - I'm sorry, were there 219 00:11:47,634 --> 00:11:49,533 - Any other comments - From Oh, I'm sorry. 220 00:11:50,133 --> 00:11:51,133 I guess I did not drink. 221 00:11:51,100 --> 00:11:54,266 Yeah, there any other, any other public, public comments 222 00:11:54,266 --> 00:11:56,567 that are anything not on the agenda? I'm here 223 00:11:56,567 --> 00:11:57,567 - For four A. 224 00:11:57,867 --> 00:12:01,066 - Okay. All right. Sorry. Thanks. 225 00:12:02,166 --> 00:12:05,100 Yep, I definitely spaced that out after that 226 00:12:05,233 --> 00:12:07,367 but, okay. 227 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,100 Well we're here for up for four a then 228 00:12:11,100 --> 00:12:12,533 data center draft Ordinance. 229 00:12:13,033 --> 00:12:15,533 - At the last meeting, the planning commission discussed the 230 00:12:15,533 --> 00:12:17,300 parameters that seemed appropriate for 231 00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:19,767 - The data center Ordinance in Harris Township. 232 00:12:20,133 --> 00:12:21,533 Using that information as well 233 00:12:21,533 --> 00:12:23,233 as additional ideas learned at a webinar 234 00:12:23,500 --> 00:12:26,066 that I attended in late July plus a few things from 235 00:12:26,066 --> 00:12:29,300 additional research staff created a draft of an Ordinance 236 00:12:29,333 --> 00:12:31,100 for discussion and consideration. 237 00:12:31,100 --> 00:12:32,767 The draft was included with the agenda. 238 00:12:33,500 --> 00:12:35,934 Staff also forwarded via email the slides 239 00:12:36,133 --> 00:12:39,033 provided at the July webinar in case PC members were 240 00:12:39,033 --> 00:12:40,333 interested in reviewing the information. 241 00:12:40,834 --> 00:12:42,066 Not asking that you talk about 242 00:12:42,066 --> 00:12:43,700 that in any kind of detail tonight. 243 00:12:43,700 --> 00:12:47,300 It was just for information staff's takeaway from the 244 00:12:47,300 --> 00:12:49,033 webinar was that Penn State 245 00:12:49,834 --> 00:12:52,867 or the people giving the webinar from Penn State believed 246 00:12:52,867 --> 00:12:55,300 most of the data centers that will be built have in 247 00:12:55,300 --> 00:12:56,367 fact already been built. 248 00:12:57,033 --> 00:12:59,700 That isn't to say the data centers won't be proposed in our 249 00:12:59,700 --> 00:13:02,133 area, but the demand seems to have peaked in the northeast 250 00:13:02,133 --> 00:13:04,467 and the hub of the data centers serving the Mid-Atlantic, 251 00:13:04,667 --> 00:13:06,066 the large, mid, Mid-Atlantic region. 252 00:13:06,734 --> 00:13:09,100 And those currently under construction are performing 253 00:13:09,567 --> 00:13:10,567 to expectations. 254 00:13:11,133 --> 00:13:13,634 I added some more language about some mitigating factors 255 00:13:13,767 --> 00:13:15,767 with some specifics on 256 00:13:18,066 --> 00:13:20,066 Large language and small language models 257 00:13:20,066 --> 00:13:23,066 that I gleaned from the research that's not really relevant 258 00:13:23,066 --> 00:13:24,266 to the conversation tonight. 259 00:13:24,266 --> 00:13:26,133 So I'll skip over that here. 260 00:13:26,834 --> 00:13:31,100 Many, many people believe that some that a hybrid 261 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,567 of those two different types of 262 00:13:35,266 --> 00:13:36,367 AI are the future. 263 00:13:36,667 --> 00:13:39,333 But again, you can read on that in your own if you'd like. 264 00:13:39,634 --> 00:13:41,100 Staff's recommendation for tonight is 265 00:13:41,300 --> 00:13:43,233 that the draft ordinances a discussion item. 266 00:13:43,233 --> 00:13:45,700 If the PC believes some amendments are necessary, 267 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:47,033 staff can complete such 268 00:13:47,066 --> 00:13:49,467 and present a revised draft at a future meeting. 269 00:13:49,467 --> 00:13:50,934 If the PC believes very minor 270 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,100 or no amendments are required, a motion can be made 271 00:13:53,100 --> 00:13:55,033 to forward the draft of the board of Supervisors 272 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,333 for consideration soon. 273 00:13:56,934 --> 00:13:59,700 The draft is this green attachment to your agenda. 274 00:14:02,533 --> 00:14:03,934 - Okay, thanks Rob. 275 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,300 I know last time you talked about this, I know that 276 00:14:07,100 --> 00:14:08,767 we had discussed noise and, 277 00:14:09,433 --> 00:14:13,133 - And also just the overall water impacts, 278 00:14:13,667 --> 00:14:15,100 but is there anything anybody wants 279 00:14:15,100 --> 00:14:17,333 to bring up tonight about the specific 280 00:14:17,533 --> 00:14:19,033 regulations that are suggested here? 281 00:14:21,500 --> 00:14:26,033 - Can we ask that? - Yeah, go ahead Bob. We ask 282 00:14:26,033 --> 00:14:27,467 - That they use recycling water. 283 00:14:28,500 --> 00:14:32,133 - That the, the water usage is, is based on recycling. 284 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,333 - We can probably include that as a 285 00:14:35,333 --> 00:14:36,333 - Recommendation. 286 00:14:36,533 --> 00:14:38,300 I don't know that we can require it. 287 00:14:40,567 --> 00:14:44,066 It may be a, a fact that they can't get enough water 288 00:14:44,066 --> 00:14:47,467 through the beneficial reuse that they need on a daily basis 289 00:14:47,700 --> 00:14:51,033 to accommodate what they, you know, what 290 00:14:51,033 --> 00:14:52,033 - They are gonna require. 291 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:54,300 Yeah. I guess from what I've heard is that they have, 292 00:14:54,500 --> 00:14:57,033 they have ways of recycling. 293 00:14:57,133 --> 00:14:59,033 So if they need a hundred thousand gallons 294 00:14:59,166 --> 00:15:01,567 or whatever it is of water per day, 295 00:15:01,834 --> 00:15:04,300 but they have the CAPA there, there's technology out there 296 00:15:04,300 --> 00:15:06,066 that will allow them to recycle that water. 297 00:15:06,100 --> 00:15:08,533 So it's just like your car radiator and you pump it in there 298 00:15:08,533 --> 00:15:10,867 and it just cools it that way. 299 00:15:11,066 --> 00:15:12,734 I don't know if that's in there, 300 00:15:12,734 --> 00:15:14,100 but I, I would think that 301 00:15:14,100 --> 00:15:16,000 that would be one thing to look at. 302 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,634 And the other thing is that to require them 303 00:15:17,634 --> 00:15:22,000 to use their own electricity, you know, power it themselves. 304 00:15:22,433 --> 00:15:24,533 And we, I think that, 305 00:15:26,667 --> 00:15:30,033 - Yeah, well from the seminars 306 00:15:30,033 --> 00:15:32,266 that we took at the Central County's Planning Commission, 307 00:15:34,834 --> 00:15:37,734 a large scale data center burns as much electricity 308 00:15:37,734 --> 00:15:38,767 as the whole town does. 309 00:15:39,467 --> 00:15:42,033 So we don't have to worry about them actually hooking up 310 00:15:42,033 --> 00:15:45,634 to our grid because they can't, they would have 311 00:15:45,634 --> 00:15:47,033 to build their own power plant 312 00:15:48,100 --> 00:15:49,300 because we just don't have the 313 00:15:49,300 --> 00:15:50,834 infrastructure for that to happen. 314 00:15:52,033 --> 00:15:55,867 And so that kind of, they would have to run generators 315 00:15:56,433 --> 00:15:59,433 all the time and the nor Ordinance would handle that. 316 00:15:59,533 --> 00:16:02,000 And so it would have to be a rather rather large piece 317 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,033 of property as far as the water goes. 318 00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:09,133 We also don't, we think we have enough water, 319 00:16:09,166 --> 00:16:11,066 but we don't have the infrastructure for the water. 320 00:16:11,166 --> 00:16:14,734 So then it would have to be one of the type systems 321 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,133 that they call closed loop 322 00:16:16,934 --> 00:16:20,834 and a reuse the water, send it down walls or cool it. 323 00:16:21,767 --> 00:16:23,900 But the problem with that system is that 324 00:16:24,433 --> 00:16:26,867 it's not completely closed loose ball the time. 325 00:16:27,567 --> 00:16:31,166 They flush it a couple times a year and what they, 326 00:16:31,266 --> 00:16:34,634 and then it goes into our sewage system are we have 'em hook 327 00:16:34,634 --> 00:16:35,667 up to our sewer system 328 00:16:36,266 --> 00:16:39,533 and from our research it has 13 forever chemicals in it 329 00:16:40,634 --> 00:16:42,266 that would go into our sewer system 330 00:16:42,367 --> 00:16:43,734 that would go into the streams. 331 00:16:44,367 --> 00:16:47,300 So that's really not a great answer to that either. 332 00:16:47,900 --> 00:16:49,734 'cause they run it like antifreeze because 333 00:16:49,734 --> 00:16:51,533 otherwise the system corrodes. 334 00:16:53,934 --> 00:16:58,100 So I don't know how you would legislate that to make them, 335 00:16:58,300 --> 00:17:01,100 if when they flushed the closed loop system that they had 336 00:17:01,300 --> 00:17:05,133 to take it to a, a proper place where it could be disposed 337 00:17:05,133 --> 00:17:07,900 of like hazardous waste that could, 338 00:17:07,900 --> 00:17:10,033 we could put into our thing. 339 00:17:10,300 --> 00:17:12,533 - Can they, they can't forward the plastics. I 340 00:17:13,467 --> 00:17:14,467 - It's worse than that. 341 00:17:14,934 --> 00:17:16,300 It's like antifreeze. Yeah. 342 00:17:17,867 --> 00:17:20,300 So far as I know the sewer authority came 343 00:17:20,300 --> 00:17:23,266 and they're struggling right now in our sewer system. 344 00:17:23,934 --> 00:17:26,100 They've almost got accomplished to get rid 345 00:17:26,100 --> 00:17:27,166 of one forever chemical. 346 00:17:29,066 --> 00:17:30,900 Hmm. In the sewer system that we have now, 347 00:17:31,133 --> 00:17:32,066 they're working on it, 348 00:17:32,066 --> 00:17:33,900 but who knows how far along that they'll, 349 00:17:35,100 --> 00:17:38,533 it'll take some time and some money to be able to clean up 350 00:17:38,567 --> 00:17:40,033 what they get rid of. 351 00:17:40,433 --> 00:17:43,133 - So we don't have anything I'm sorry. No, go ahead. 352 00:17:43,133 --> 00:17:45,100 We don't have anything currently in this, 353 00:17:46,100 --> 00:17:48,033 in this proposed regulation 354 00:17:49,467 --> 00:17:50,467 - On that subject. 355 00:17:50,700 --> 00:17:54,266 I, about what I've, yeah, I think that if they come to us 356 00:17:54,266 --> 00:17:57,100 with a, and I call it a closed loop system, 357 00:17:57,734 --> 00:17:59,567 I don't think it should be discharged into, 358 00:17:59,634 --> 00:18:01,100 we have it saying that they're going 359 00:18:01,100 --> 00:18:02,767 to discharge it into our sewer system. 360 00:18:02,867 --> 00:18:05,500 Right. I don't think a closed loop system when they go 361 00:18:05,500 --> 00:18:08,367 to flush it, I think it should be taken away 362 00:18:08,934 --> 00:18:11,634 and taken to a, a proper facility to get rid of it. 363 00:18:12,033 --> 00:18:15,100 Just like we have high contaminants at the landfill 364 00:18:15,934 --> 00:18:19,700 we get rid of, we take it to a place where it can be clean. 365 00:18:19,867 --> 00:18:24,333 Not our sewer system that dumps down into Spring Creek. 366 00:18:26,834 --> 00:18:30,033 So I don't know, I just don't see one happening personally. 367 00:18:30,100 --> 00:18:31,533 I think there's a lot of roadblocks 368 00:18:31,533 --> 00:18:34,834 but I guess these guys have unfathomable amounts of money. 369 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,300 But I, it just seems like there's a lot 370 00:18:39,300 --> 00:18:41,734 of physical roadblocks to put a big data center here, 371 00:18:43,433 --> 00:18:47,634 but it doesn't, doesn't hurt to put that in our Ordinance. 372 00:18:47,934 --> 00:18:50,166 I do on the closed loop systems from 373 00:18:50,166 --> 00:18:54,033 what I learned from those seminars, no matter what I didn't, 374 00:18:54,367 --> 00:18:57,233 you couldn't get a good answer on water usage. 375 00:18:57,533 --> 00:18:59,367 You just, there was nothing that you liked 376 00:19:00,266 --> 00:19:02,867 when you took the, I dunno if you took the same seminar, 377 00:19:03,033 --> 00:19:05,300 but it was just like, I don't like any of the answers. 378 00:19:06,266 --> 00:19:08,066 You know, I just didn't, you know, 379 00:19:09,300 --> 00:19:11,100 the electricity didn't bother me 380 00:19:11,100 --> 00:19:12,934 because they can build a generator plant 381 00:19:13,066 --> 00:19:15,066 and they can't soundproof it through technology 382 00:19:15,266 --> 00:19:16,900 so it wouldn't be bad to listen to. 383 00:19:17,033 --> 00:19:18,233 But the water issue's a problem 384 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,433 and it takes a lot of water to cool. 385 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,166 So unless they come up with some other cooling method. 386 00:19:26,300 --> 00:19:29,000 - So I don't know how much the, you know, 387 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,634 we aren't fully aware 388 00:19:30,634 --> 00:19:33,000 what the Susquehanna River Basin Commission 389 00:19:35,066 --> 00:19:36,133 regulates or is looking at. 390 00:19:36,166 --> 00:19:38,567 I don't know if they have some of this when they're, 391 00:19:39,300 --> 00:19:41,834 if they're getting, you know, we're saying they have 392 00:19:41,834 --> 00:19:42,867 to get an approval from them. 393 00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:44,700 So I don't know how much they're gonna look at that. 394 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,433 If they're gonna look at some of these same 395 00:19:46,734 --> 00:19:47,900 questions or they don't 396 00:19:47,900 --> 00:19:49,367 - Wanna look at water withdrawal is, 397 00:19:49,500 --> 00:19:51,934 I don't know if they would look at discharge as much 398 00:19:51,934 --> 00:19:54,867 as they would withdrawal, but I wonder if there wouldn't be 399 00:19:55,066 --> 00:19:57,834 language out there from municipalities that have fracking 400 00:19:59,033 --> 00:20:00,734 That sounds very similar to fracking 401 00:20:01,500 --> 00:20:04,166 type water being withdrawn and having to be transported away 402 00:20:04,166 --> 00:20:05,233 because it's, it needs 403 00:20:05,233 --> 00:20:07,734 to be basically reclaimed somewhere that can handle that 404 00:20:07,934 --> 00:20:08,934 - Well. 405 00:20:08,934 --> 00:20:09,934 Yeah. A system that can Right. 406 00:20:10,100 --> 00:20:12,433 Clean it properly or dispose of it properly. 407 00:20:12,567 --> 00:20:15,166 A ation system that we don't have. Right. 408 00:20:16,133 --> 00:20:17,133 - And Kent, just so you're aware, 409 00:20:17,133 --> 00:20:19,734 Kelly wool gas does have your hand up on Zoom. 410 00:20:20,100 --> 00:20:21,667 Okay. Didn't want you to miss it. Alright, 411 00:20:22,700 --> 00:20:24,333 - Well Kelly, are you - Ready to say something? 412 00:20:25,834 --> 00:20:28,100 - I am, thank you. I'm sorry I'm not there in person. 413 00:20:28,533 --> 00:20:30,066 I have a respiratory infection 414 00:20:30,066 --> 00:20:32,133 that I did not want to give to all of you. 415 00:20:33,567 --> 00:20:37,133 Yeah, right. So thank you for the initial draft 416 00:20:37,266 --> 00:20:41,066 of this data center plan here or the regulation. 417 00:20:41,133 --> 00:20:44,300 I definitely think that we should have this on, 418 00:20:44,567 --> 00:20:46,033 on file going forward. 419 00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:50,100 What I think the major thing that's missing, as most 420 00:20:50,100 --> 00:20:53,133 of you know, I am a professional registered nurse, 421 00:20:55,100 --> 00:20:57,834 population health is part of my expertise. 422 00:20:58,033 --> 00:21:01,133 What is missing from this is any mention about a, 423 00:21:01,300 --> 00:21:03,767 a required third party environmental health 424 00:21:03,900 --> 00:21:06,934 and safety evaluation that comes in 425 00:21:06,934 --> 00:21:10,000 with any proposal while it does address noise, 426 00:21:10,166 --> 00:21:13,033 noise is just one component of an environmental health 427 00:21:13,033 --> 00:21:14,066 and safety assessment. 428 00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:16,700 And I think we should require that as part 429 00:21:16,700 --> 00:21:18,300 of our regulation. 430 00:21:19,333 --> 00:21:21,000 And, and you could find the assessment 431 00:21:21,033 --> 00:21:24,066 that I can send whoever needs that information about 432 00:21:24,066 --> 00:21:25,300 what parts that would be. 433 00:21:25,467 --> 00:21:27,133 I can, I'm happy to send that to you 434 00:21:28,100 --> 00:21:29,533 electronically if you need me to. 435 00:21:30,133 --> 00:21:32,300 The other thing that I noticed in here under 436 00:21:33,767 --> 00:21:35,300 the noise part is the testing 437 00:21:35,333 --> 00:21:38,300 of emergency generators shall occur only between the hours 438 00:21:38,433 --> 00:21:41,467 of 8:00 AM and 6:00 PM And I recommend 439 00:21:41,467 --> 00:21:44,300 that being narrowed even further that that is only 440 00:21:45,567 --> 00:21:47,734 not weekends and not on holidays 441 00:21:48,100 --> 00:21:50,467 because I sure would not want to be listening to 442 00:21:51,133 --> 00:21:54,100 emergency generator testing on a Sunday. 443 00:21:54,834 --> 00:21:57,000 'cause that's, you know, that would disrupt, disrupt the, 444 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,066 the peaceful verb that we call burg. 445 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,934 So thank you and I'm happy to answer any questions about 446 00:22:04,934 --> 00:22:08,467 what I just said or provide additional information 447 00:22:08,567 --> 00:22:10,233 to whomever is drafting this. 448 00:22:13,133 --> 00:22:16,734 - Okay. So I guess could we, 449 00:22:19,133 --> 00:22:22,000 could Deb summarize some of these comments we're making and 450 00:22:22,133 --> 00:22:23,634 or Todd and, 451 00:22:25,667 --> 00:22:28,834 and take that forward to the Supervisors then? Yeah, I 452 00:22:28,834 --> 00:22:31,266 - Think, I think what we'll do is we'll do a little bit more 453 00:22:31,533 --> 00:22:35,133 research into these specific topics 454 00:22:35,367 --> 00:22:37,867 and see if I can find regulations 455 00:22:37,934 --> 00:22:40,133 and other municipalities that address those things 456 00:22:41,634 --> 00:22:43,166 and see if generally those are things 457 00:22:43,166 --> 00:22:45,667 that are included in ordinances. 458 00:22:45,700 --> 00:22:48,567 Okay. I have to say I haven't seen any in the, in the ones 459 00:22:48,567 --> 00:22:50,634 that I've looked at, but I haven't looked 460 00:22:50,634 --> 00:22:51,667 at a million of them. 461 00:22:52,133 --> 00:22:54,100 So, so I'll do some research and, and, 462 00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:56,266 and see what, see what's out there 463 00:22:56,867 --> 00:23:00,066 and certainly present your ideas to the board if you, 464 00:23:00,100 --> 00:23:02,000 if you forward it to the board tonight with that direction. 465 00:23:02,233 --> 00:23:05,000 - Okay. I think these are all good 466 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,100 points that have been made tonight. 467 00:23:06,567 --> 00:23:08,634 I will just add that I, 468 00:23:08,834 --> 00:23:11,000 I too am concerned about the noise issue, 469 00:23:11,533 --> 00:23:14,100 particularly in the evening and weekend hours. 470 00:23:14,266 --> 00:23:18,834 And I don't know if we could even regulate it more strongly 471 00:23:19,867 --> 00:23:24,834 than the 55 decibels for, you know, off hours 472 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,867 because that's, you know, 473 00:23:28,867 --> 00:23:30,333 at night when things are quieting down, 474 00:23:30,333 --> 00:23:33,100 that's when you start noticing humming going on. 475 00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:38,667 And even though they can insulate a generator house, 476 00:23:38,734 --> 00:23:41,166 if it's, if it's really making a lot of noise it can, 477 00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:44,033 it can carry some distance. So 478 00:23:44,700 --> 00:23:47,767 - If you remember the first or last month we talked about 479 00:23:47,767 --> 00:23:49,467 that 70 was the limit 480 00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:51,233 and oh was it, I did some more research 481 00:23:51,233 --> 00:23:54,000 and they, the recommendation seems to be 482 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,000 - 55. 483 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,700 Okay. Yeah. Okay. That sounds better then. Yeah. Alright. 484 00:23:59,900 --> 00:24:01,100 Alright, go ahead. 485 00:24:01,467 --> 00:24:04,233 - And just on the landscaping, just to kind of follow 486 00:24:04,367 --> 00:24:08,767 what Roy was talking about, you know, we have the buffer 487 00:24:08,867 --> 00:24:12,133 of a hundred feet and you know, mechanical 488 00:24:12,367 --> 00:24:15,233 and electrical equipment shall be screened from view, 489 00:24:15,634 --> 00:24:17,533 but can we make that stronger? 490 00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:21,266 Because you know, like he said, it's not 491 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,367 all the trees went down and in that neighborhood 492 00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:31,033 and we want to, we do wanna keep burg beautiful. 493 00:24:31,734 --> 00:24:33,934 You know, and this doesn't sound beautiful 494 00:24:34,567 --> 00:24:36,634 - For, - For the most part these would be in commercial 495 00:24:36,867 --> 00:24:38,066 and industrial areas 496 00:24:38,066 --> 00:24:41,066 where there probably aren't large forested areas anyhow, 497 00:24:41,333 --> 00:24:43,066 they're probably gonna have to plant whatever it is. 498 00:24:43,133 --> 00:24:47,233 Right? Yeah. Right there, there are certain warranty periods 499 00:24:48,367 --> 00:24:51,467 and permanent replacement periods in our regulations 500 00:24:51,467 --> 00:24:53,000 for landscaping and screening. 501 00:24:53,066 --> 00:24:54,700 Now we can look at those 502 00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:56,500 and see if we can make them stronger for this 503 00:24:56,634 --> 00:24:58,133 or it's even legal to make it stronger 504 00:24:58,166 --> 00:24:59,634 for one use more than the others. 505 00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:02,266 - Okay. Oh okay, I see. Yeah, yeah. 506 00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:04,133 - Alright. Yeah. And then, yeah with, 507 00:25:04,367 --> 00:25:06,467 and this would require a land development plan, right? 508 00:25:06,467 --> 00:25:08,867 Sure. So, and we do have, you know, 509 00:25:10,100 --> 00:25:12,467 I mean we have regulations for both residential 510 00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:15,000 and commercial industrial properties, 511 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,734 but for commercial, industrial 512 00:25:16,934 --> 00:25:20,000 and multifamily we have land development plans which 513 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,100 require, have landscaping plans which are enforceable. 514 00:25:23,867 --> 00:25:25,867 And that's something we don't have 515 00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:30,433 for just a simple residential subdivision is we don't 516 00:25:30,734 --> 00:25:32,734 regulate people cutting down trees. 517 00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:35,033 Right. And so, 518 00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:40,100 but we, I think we can have some stronger regulations with 519 00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:41,567 that on land developments. 520 00:25:42,734 --> 00:25:46,867 So, so hopefully that'll help and hopefully Yeah. 521 00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:50,333 And I guess hopefully these people would decide to go to, 522 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,266 you know, college Township and places like that. 523 00:25:53,667 --> 00:25:56,834 Yes. And 'cause you know, we, I mean I think 524 00:25:57,166 --> 00:25:59,700 with our rural preservation Ordinance, I think it is, 525 00:26:00,467 --> 00:26:05,233 you know, probably more suitable for them 526 00:26:06,133 --> 00:26:10,033 to go somewhere else in my mind anyway, 527 00:26:10,233 --> 00:26:12,533 - Given the limited amount of land area that we have. 528 00:26:13,033 --> 00:26:15,033 Not to say that it couldn't be developed. 529 00:26:15,033 --> 00:26:17,100 I would imagine there's other places elsewhere in the 530 00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:18,133 county that would be more suitable. 531 00:26:19,634 --> 00:26:21,634 I won't pick a Township like you did, but 532 00:26:24,166 --> 00:26:27,867 - Story, well just not on camera, just the 533 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,000 - Electric grid alone. 534 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,100 - No, I mean, I mean obviously there's, 535 00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:31,700 there's been discussions about all kinds 536 00:26:31,700 --> 00:26:35,233 of things in the Dale Summit area for both, you know, 537 00:26:35,233 --> 00:26:39,700 from stuff like this to workforce housing, which yes. 538 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,367 Those are things where it is harder in Harris to, 539 00:26:42,467 --> 00:26:44,000 to do some of those things. 540 00:26:45,567 --> 00:26:48,834 - Did we ever actually finish moving the landscaping 541 00:26:48,834 --> 00:26:51,100 requirements from Zoning to salt up? 542 00:26:52,233 --> 00:26:54,867 - I think they're actually in zone or are they in salt? 543 00:26:55,066 --> 00:26:57,934 Well I don't, my recollection I wouldn't, 544 00:26:58,066 --> 00:26:59,734 I wouldn't bet any amount 545 00:26:59,734 --> 00:27:01,233 of money in my recollection anymore. 546 00:27:01,634 --> 00:27:05,000 But my recollection is what we wanted to keep them out 547 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,734 of SDO so that they couldn't be waived 548 00:27:07,233 --> 00:27:08,233 - And put. 549 00:27:08,233 --> 00:27:10,533 Okay. I remember we had a couple discussions about it. 550 00:27:10,834 --> 00:27:12,033 - Yeah, they did get a, 551 00:27:12,266 --> 00:27:15,300 those amendments were adopted last year as part 552 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:16,300 of the quarter overlay. 553 00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:19,100 When those regulations were removed, you had other 554 00:27:19,867 --> 00:27:22,066 landscaping regulations that were in Zoning that, 555 00:27:22,700 --> 00:27:24,066 as Todd said, they can't be waived. 556 00:27:24,066 --> 00:27:25,333 They're gonna be required as part 557 00:27:25,333 --> 00:27:27,033 of any land development, they have to be followed. 558 00:27:27,533 --> 00:27:32,133 - Okay. Yeah. Okay. 559 00:27:32,867 --> 00:27:35,867 Any other comments? I'm good. Alright. 560 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,133 - I guess, well you're gonna be taking this subject. 561 00:27:38,634 --> 00:27:41,900 Oh yeah, Alex, oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, 562 00:27:44,634 --> 00:27:45,700 - If you can say your name for the 563 00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:47,100 record. Absolutely. I'm Michael Hetrick. 564 00:27:47,133 --> 00:27:51,000 - I live over in the gates. I have not had an opportunity 565 00:27:51,033 --> 00:27:52,700 to see the proposed Ordinance, 566 00:27:53,266 --> 00:27:58,133 but my concern was I did spend some time looking 567 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,100 through all the other ordinances of the Township 568 00:28:00,533 --> 00:28:03,700 and there's minimal noise regulation in the Township. 569 00:28:04,367 --> 00:28:06,467 There's some, there's something in the ag about 570 00:28:06,467 --> 00:28:09,166 entertainment and concerts or entertainment 571 00:28:09,166 --> 00:28:11,500 after 1130 at night, but there's not a whole lot. 572 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,266 And my concern was that there would be 573 00:28:15,767 --> 00:28:20,567 strong regulation of noise in, in this proposed Ordinance. 574 00:28:21,066 --> 00:28:23,100 You've been discussing it, it sounds like there is, 575 00:28:23,033 --> 00:28:25,000 I think also Kelly mentioned noise as well. 576 00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:28,433 I, I mean obviously it's addressed at some level, 577 00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:29,667 but I think it's really important 578 00:28:30,066 --> 00:28:33,133 because as, as you all obviously know, 579 00:28:34,033 --> 00:28:36,233 this is a 24 7 buzz. 580 00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:39,867 These, these facilities don't shut down 581 00:28:40,834 --> 00:28:45,000 and it's, it's a real concern, especially 582 00:28:45,767 --> 00:28:49,367 if one would be located anywhere near any residential area. 583 00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:54,867 And they're, a lot of, one 584 00:28:54,867 --> 00:28:56,367 of the mentions in the Penn State is they think the 585 00:28:56,367 --> 00:28:57,834 northeast is fulfilled. 586 00:28:58,734 --> 00:29:00,266 There are a lot of residential areas 587 00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:02,467 that are really regretting that they've been filled 588 00:29:03,033 --> 00:29:04,133 because of the noise. 589 00:29:04,834 --> 00:29:06,100 And I just think it's a really, 590 00:29:06,166 --> 00:29:07,834 a really important factor to consider. 591 00:29:08,133 --> 00:29:09,133 And I Thank you. 592 00:29:10,266 --> 00:29:11,500 - Appreciate - That. A comment. 593 00:29:12,734 --> 00:29:14,834 - Yeah. We don't want the, yeah, we thank you. 594 00:29:16,634 --> 00:29:19,500 So we don't want the data set there to, you know, 595 00:29:20,133 --> 00:29:21,233 overpower the new highway 596 00:29:25,333 --> 00:29:27,367 65 decibels, 55 decibels. 597 00:29:27,367 --> 00:29:31,467 You're not gonna be able to hear from where our industrial 598 00:29:31,634 --> 00:29:32,900 and commercial zones are. 599 00:29:33,066 --> 00:29:34,133 You're not gonna be able to hear it 600 00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:35,734 'cause the highway's gonna be louder than that. 601 00:29:36,734 --> 00:29:40,867 The Jake breaks don't want to hear 602 00:29:40,867 --> 00:29:41,867 - That. 603 00:29:42,734 --> 00:29:44,266 Yeah. Who would wanna live next to the road? 604 00:29:47,867 --> 00:29:51,333 Yeah. Like 45 1 to do that. Well thanks everyone. 605 00:29:51,634 --> 00:29:53,734 I think we covered do that then. 606 00:29:54,834 --> 00:29:57,300 So, so you're gonna try to summarize that 607 00:29:57,367 --> 00:29:59,567 and I guess it'll go to Supervisors next. 608 00:29:59,734 --> 00:30:02,066 Okay. For further comments Early meeting. Alright. 609 00:30:03,166 --> 00:30:07,867 And okay so next, 610 00:30:08,066 --> 00:30:12,734 next item on the agenda is the open house 611 00:30:12,934 --> 00:30:15,066 for proposed village Zoning amendments. 612 00:30:15,634 --> 00:30:16,867 So over the last two years, 613 00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:19,700 - Planning commission had worked on doing a comprehensive 614 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,300 analysis of the land use patterns in the village. 615 00:30:23,367 --> 00:30:25,567 And by village I mean the entirety of burg, 616 00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:28,100 not the Zoning district as well as some 617 00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:29,000 of the surrounding neighborhoods. 618 00:30:29,433 --> 00:30:32,333 And as a result, you came up with some 619 00:30:33,467 --> 00:30:37,033 recommendations to amend the existing regulations as well 620 00:30:37,033 --> 00:30:39,700 as creating a new Zoning district village 621 00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:41,367 residential for portions of the village. 622 00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:44,033 You did talk about those recommendations with the board 623 00:30:44,734 --> 00:30:47,233 back in 2025 as well as earlier this year. 624 00:30:47,867 --> 00:30:49,233 And they asked the commission to go out 625 00:30:49,233 --> 00:30:51,233 and hold open houses to get feedback from the public 626 00:30:51,233 --> 00:30:55,333 before bringing draft ordinances for their consideration. 627 00:30:55,467 --> 00:30:57,734 So the idea would be get some Public Comment 628 00:30:58,166 --> 00:31:00,767 if there are any changes that you wish to make 629 00:31:00,834 --> 00:31:03,467 before taking it to the board, you could do that 630 00:31:03,467 --> 00:31:05,767 and then bring those amendments forward. 631 00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:10,066 So what I did is worked on getting some materials prepared 632 00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:13,000 for open houses that you can present this to the public. 633 00:31:14,433 --> 00:31:16,233 And the idea would be hopefully that 634 00:31:17,033 --> 00:31:19,500 the commissioning could be present at these open houses, 635 00:31:20,166 --> 00:31:23,467 be part of kind of describing your thoughts to the public 636 00:31:23,567 --> 00:31:24,934 as they attend. 637 00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:29,000 My thought was probably having two open houses, 638 00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:30,867 one in the daytime and one during the evening. 639 00:31:30,867 --> 00:31:33,533 That way folks with different schedules could attend. 640 00:31:34,133 --> 00:31:36,133 And in the past, whenever we've done this, we have 641 00:31:36,333 --> 00:31:38,000 as staff met with property owners 642 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,100 that couldn't make either one. 643 00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:40,567 If someone's outta town or what have you, 644 00:31:41,066 --> 00:31:42,133 we would be able to meet with them. 645 00:31:42,266 --> 00:31:45,066 So I was gonna share the materials real quick here. 646 00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:48,033 Let me just share the screen so 647 00:31:48,033 --> 00:31:50,700 that folks online can see this as well. 648 00:31:54,133 --> 00:31:56,500 And then this will give you an idea of, of 649 00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:59,634 what this would look like going to the, to the public. 650 00:31:59,734 --> 00:32:04,000 So there's a a series of seven posters 651 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,033 and what we would do is have these printed off mounted on 652 00:32:06,033 --> 00:32:10,266 boards and probably set up in this room for, you know, 653 00:32:10,266 --> 00:32:11,367 people to go around and more 654 00:32:11,367 --> 00:32:12,467 or less follows the story 655 00:32:12,467 --> 00:32:14,033 of the process that you went through. 656 00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:18,033 So the first one talks about the analysis, some 657 00:32:18,033 --> 00:32:20,266 of the background that there was a small area plan done 658 00:32:20,266 --> 00:32:21,467 back in 2015. 659 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,133 Ad hoc parking committee that was assembled in, 660 00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:30,934 they met back in I think 2021 and 2022. 661 00:32:31,433 --> 00:32:33,300 And then some of the goals of the project. 662 00:32:34,567 --> 00:32:37,100 The next poster board would talk about the 663 00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:38,300 study area itself. 664 00:32:38,433 --> 00:32:41,533 So this shows the area that you initially started with. 665 00:32:41,634 --> 00:32:43,467 If you remember you had looked a little bit 666 00:32:43,467 --> 00:32:46,066 beyond the boundaries of the historic district 667 00:32:46,066 --> 00:32:48,700 to take a look at some of the adjacent parcels 668 00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:50,634 to see if there was similarities, 669 00:32:50,634 --> 00:32:52,033 if they should be included in the study. 670 00:32:52,934 --> 00:32:57,467 And third one talks a little bit about some 671 00:32:57,767 --> 00:33:02,033 of the analysis itself, some of the key findings of 672 00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:04,867 what were discovered through this process. 673 00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:07,834 And I tried to use as many 674 00:33:07,834 --> 00:33:10,033 of these maps from the analysis as possible. 675 00:33:11,166 --> 00:33:14,033 And then the, the next one talks a little bit about 676 00:33:14,033 --> 00:33:15,233 you were review process. 677 00:33:15,834 --> 00:33:19,066 So looking at the permitted uses dimensional standards, 678 00:33:19,066 --> 00:33:23,000 parking regulations, the impact that this would have 679 00:33:23,834 --> 00:33:25,767 in the Township and then proposed changes 680 00:33:26,433 --> 00:33:28,867 and how it would reduce nonconformities. 681 00:33:29,734 --> 00:33:32,333 So these are all really exciting topics that we'll just 682 00:33:33,033 --> 00:33:34,266 engage people I hope. 683 00:33:34,266 --> 00:33:36,567 Right. But I think it, 684 00:33:37,133 --> 00:33:39,467 - Make sure you go into parking regulations right away, 685 00:33:39,467 --> 00:33:41,033 like on its whole slide. Maybe 686 00:33:41,233 --> 00:33:42,734 - You want an entire thing just about parking. 687 00:33:43,133 --> 00:33:45,066 - Oh yeah. We'll - I wasn't gonna do that. We'll put 688 00:33:45,233 --> 00:33:46,233 - Em to sleep right away. 689 00:33:47,667 --> 00:33:49,066 - The hope here would be that as folks 690 00:33:49,834 --> 00:33:51,533 attend these open houses though, they would see 691 00:33:51,533 --> 00:33:53,233 that you were methodical about this. 692 00:33:53,433 --> 00:33:55,867 It wasn't just haphazardly saying 693 00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:56,934 we're gonna just make changes. 694 00:33:57,333 --> 00:33:59,767 It was based upon an actual study, an actual 695 00:34:00,867 --> 00:34:02,000 on the ground conditions, 696 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,500 which I think is important. Took us 697 00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:05,500 - Five years. 698 00:34:05,567 --> 00:34:07,767 - Ah, it wasn't quite that long. It wasn't quite that. 699 00:34:08,867 --> 00:34:11,634 So then recommendations, there's, there's two 700 00:34:12,634 --> 00:34:14,767 or actually three posters that talk about 701 00:34:14,767 --> 00:34:15,934 what your recommendations are. 702 00:34:15,934 --> 00:34:18,734 The first one is just kind of an overview. 703 00:34:19,767 --> 00:34:22,867 Basically two districts, one existing kind of village, 704 00:34:23,033 --> 00:34:25,934 core district and then Village Residential talks a little 705 00:34:25,934 --> 00:34:27,066 bit about the expected outcomes 706 00:34:27,066 --> 00:34:29,033 of having the two separate districts 707 00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:31,100 and then a poster for each district. 708 00:34:31,634 --> 00:34:34,000 I think that's important for property owners in either 709 00:34:34,033 --> 00:34:36,233 of these proposed districts. 710 00:34:36,233 --> 00:34:37,567 They can kind of focus on the one 711 00:34:37,567 --> 00:34:38,834 that's gonna impact them the most. 712 00:34:39,333 --> 00:34:41,066 This is where we get into parking Phil. 713 00:34:41,433 --> 00:34:42,567 So there's parking on here. 714 00:34:42,567 --> 00:34:45,100 An entire bottom section is all about parking regulations. 715 00:34:45,934 --> 00:34:48,300 But you know, it goes into the details about each 716 00:34:48,700 --> 00:34:50,567 of the different Zoning districts themselves. 717 00:34:50,567 --> 00:34:52,100 This one's the village 718 00:34:52,934 --> 00:34:55,767 and then this one here would be Village Residential. 719 00:34:56,100 --> 00:35:00,533 So that was what I put together with the help 720 00:35:00,634 --> 00:35:04,033 of center regional planning agencies, GIS specialist. 721 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,834 The questions I would have for you is, 722 00:35:07,834 --> 00:35:11,500 does this look like an acceptable sort of, I guess, flow to 723 00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:14,233 what you would hope to, to present to the public? 724 00:35:14,667 --> 00:35:17,033 We would certainly have some type of feedback form available 725 00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:18,100 for anybody who attends. 726 00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:20,100 That way they can tell us what they think. 727 00:35:21,934 --> 00:35:24,033 And then my hope was that you could maybe 728 00:35:25,333 --> 00:35:29,100 identify some dates when these open houses could take place. 729 00:35:29,233 --> 00:35:32,767 So my thought, if you don't look at item C, which I realized 730 00:35:32,767 --> 00:35:33,867 after the fact, I'm like, oh, 731 00:35:33,867 --> 00:35:35,834 item C in the agenda says the agenda for September. 732 00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:37,533 We don't want to have to relive this meeting. 733 00:35:37,934 --> 00:35:39,100 My thought was actually the, 734 00:35:39,133 --> 00:35:41,567 that maybe you would cancel your October meeting 735 00:35:41,734 --> 00:35:44,834 and hold these open houses in place of that meeting. 736 00:35:45,367 --> 00:35:47,934 And then, and matter of fact, you could do that night, 737 00:35:48,233 --> 00:35:50,266 you know, the evening of the, of the October, 738 00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:51,700 although I think I'm out of town, so maybe 739 00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:54,467 that's a bad time, but, but we can figure out dates 740 00:35:54,533 --> 00:35:58,567 that would work and then probably in November have 741 00:35:58,567 --> 00:36:03,066 that be part of the agenda is to discuss what you heard and, 742 00:36:03,066 --> 00:36:05,000 and if if staff were to happen to meet with anybody 743 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,033 that couldn't make it as well, we 744 00:36:06,033 --> 00:36:07,000 could bring you that feedback. 745 00:36:07,667 --> 00:36:10,133 So I don't know, gimme your thoughts 746 00:36:10,133 --> 00:36:11,767 and then if we can maybe look at a calendar 747 00:36:11,834 --> 00:36:15,066 and figure out dates, that would be great. So how 748 00:36:15,066 --> 00:36:16,834 - Many total pluss do - You have? Seven. 749 00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:18,467 - Seven? Yes. Alright. 750 00:36:18,834 --> 00:36:21,634 And you think you can get 'em to fit around here then? 751 00:36:21,634 --> 00:36:22,634 - Yeah, I think we should be able 752 00:36:22,634 --> 00:36:23,867 to get them to fit around here. 753 00:36:23,867 --> 00:36:25,700 They're not as big as ones we've used in the past. 754 00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:27,834 They're not the massive epl. Right. 755 00:36:27,834 --> 00:36:29,033 So I think they'll be a little smaller. 756 00:36:29,367 --> 00:36:30,767 Probably fit a few here on the table 757 00:36:30,867 --> 00:36:32,767 and then we'll move chairs out 758 00:36:32,767 --> 00:36:34,033 of the way just so folks can walk around. 759 00:36:35,133 --> 00:36:37,133 - And I do think the important thing is it does, 760 00:36:37,133 --> 00:36:40,033 this does show that we're looking at this comprehensively 761 00:36:40,367 --> 00:36:43,133 and even though it did kind of start off as a parking issue, 762 00:36:43,634 --> 00:36:47,300 that is kind of a, a back, you know, kind 763 00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:48,300 of a back burner part of it. 764 00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:53,066 Now it's the only thing we're doing is, is fixing some 765 00:36:53,066 --> 00:36:54,700 of our existing park, 766 00:36:54,734 --> 00:36:57,000 or I should say fixing, I should say revising some 767 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,000 of the parking regulations to make the, the core part 768 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,500 of the village, you know, a little more developable 769 00:37:04,567 --> 00:37:08,100 to attract, you know, some businesses are allowing them 770 00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:12,867 to expand knowing that and so that they park. 771 00:37:13,033 --> 00:37:14,367 We don't have a parking problem, 772 00:37:14,433 --> 00:37:15,934 we had an Ordinance problem. 773 00:37:16,266 --> 00:37:20,934 So we have enough parking to provide, recognizing 774 00:37:20,934 --> 00:37:22,900 that we still have to have some regulations 775 00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:24,467 for expanded uses. 776 00:37:24,467 --> 00:37:25,500 But we're not, we're trying 777 00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:27,066 to lessen some of those regulations. 778 00:37:27,734 --> 00:37:30,867 And also of course we're trying to protect the, you know, 779 00:37:30,867 --> 00:37:35,266 the residential area, nature of, of the village itself. 780 00:37:35,767 --> 00:37:39,467 And you know, as was brought up earlier tonight, we want 781 00:37:39,467 --> 00:37:41,066 to keep burg as burg. 782 00:37:41,667 --> 00:37:44,266 And so that, I think this will help do that. 783 00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:47,934 And so I I think it's great. Okay. 784 00:37:48,133 --> 00:37:49,333 I'm looking forward to it. And, 785 00:37:50,133 --> 00:37:52,333 - And I can send these out to the commission in advance 786 00:37:52,333 --> 00:37:53,467 that way if you wanna Yeah, 787 00:37:53,467 --> 00:37:55,133 I I would if you wanna familiarize yourself, I'm 788 00:37:55,133 --> 00:37:57,066 - Wondering if you, if you also maybe could have it 789 00:37:57,834 --> 00:38:00,266 on the website for, for the public to get 790 00:38:00,266 --> 00:38:02,100 to if they wanted to look at it. Yeah, 791 00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:04,066 - We could definitely do that. Yeah. Yeah. 792 00:38:04,333 --> 00:38:07,066 - So yeah, I'd like to, 793 00:38:08,467 --> 00:38:09,667 you know, come in prepared. 794 00:38:09,767 --> 00:38:13,166 So, 'cause people start asking you all kinds of questions. 795 00:38:13,767 --> 00:38:17,734 - Right. - And so 796 00:38:20,066 --> 00:38:22,367 I think, so the, the October meeting 797 00:38:23,767 --> 00:38:26,266 would be the 19th, is that correct? It 798 00:38:26,266 --> 00:38:28,100 - Would've been the 19th now I'm out of town 799 00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:30,266 the first part of that week. 800 00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:32,667 - Oh, so you're not here the 19th? 801 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,066 - I'm not here the 19th. And I 802 00:38:34,066 --> 00:38:35,333 - See why you wanted the 19th. 803 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,700 - Well, no, I actually suggested you don't do it. 804 00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:39,934 That after I realized it, I said wait a minute, I'm not, 805 00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:41,467 I'm not here that, that day. 806 00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:46,066 So No, I was gonna suggest maybe the following week 807 00:38:48,133 --> 00:38:49,867 that way, that way it gives us time 808 00:38:49,867 --> 00:38:51,100 to get notice out to residents too. 809 00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:53,133 I wanna make sure folks are aware, we wanna send letters 810 00:38:53,433 --> 00:38:55,567 to people who are actually in the study area 811 00:38:56,133 --> 00:38:57,467 or at least the area that would be 812 00:38:57,700 --> 00:38:59,000 rezoned if this were to go forward. 813 00:39:00,467 --> 00:39:02,767 So I would say probably later in the month would be better 814 00:39:02,834 --> 00:39:04,533 just to make sure we can get that notice out. 815 00:39:05,567 --> 00:39:07,066 - So are you still thinking of Monday though? 816 00:39:08,667 --> 00:39:10,567 - Well, if we do that Monday the 26th, 817 00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:14,000 I have a meeting at COG that night at seven. 818 00:39:14,467 --> 00:39:15,834 It's the general forum meeting. 819 00:39:15,867 --> 00:39:18,066 So we could do the daytime meeting on the 26th 820 00:39:18,367 --> 00:39:23,100 and do the evening meeting later that week if you wanted. 821 00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:26,000 And I don't know that every planning commission member has 822 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,100 to attend both meetings, 823 00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:30,233 but it would be nice to have a few of you there to walk 824 00:39:30,333 --> 00:39:32,734 around and engage with residents as they attend. 825 00:39:34,634 --> 00:39:38,834 - So, well let's just say if we're talking like the 26th, 826 00:39:38,834 --> 00:39:40,133 27th and 28th 827 00:39:43,634 --> 00:39:44,367 - Evening of the 20, 828 00:39:44,367 --> 00:39:45,634 - Definitely wanna stay away from Friday. 829 00:39:46,166 --> 00:39:48,266 - Yeah. Evening of the 28th would not work either. 830 00:39:48,266 --> 00:39:50,033 There's a board budget meeting 831 00:39:50,033 --> 00:39:52,266 that night. So this room will be, 832 00:39:52,266 --> 00:39:53,266 - Maybe you pick the date. 833 00:39:54,433 --> 00:39:57,333 - Well, I can maybe. - What about daytime on the 26th? 834 00:39:57,333 --> 00:39:58,567 How about, how about later evening on the 20? 835 00:39:58,634 --> 00:40:00,934 How about the later part of like the 836 00:40:00,934 --> 00:40:02,133 22nd or somewhere in there 837 00:40:02,767 --> 00:40:05,433 - Of the - October. October 22nd. 838 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,500 - October 22nd. There's also, - When are you getting back? 839 00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:10,233 - There's also a budget meeting that night as well. 840 00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:11,734 - Yeah, February then 841 00:40:11,867 --> 00:40:12,867 - It's looking better. 842 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,033 I was, I I think the earliest 843 00:40:15,033 --> 00:40:17,467 that would work would be the week of the 26th. 844 00:40:17,634 --> 00:40:19,467 That's probably the earliest that the room would be 845 00:40:19,467 --> 00:40:20,867 available and I would be available 846 00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:26,000 - The 27th then - I I the 27th would be fine if you wanted 847 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,266 to do the evening of the 27th, we could do that. 848 00:40:28,867 --> 00:40:33,100 - Sure. And then what, what would be a good daytime 28th 849 00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:36,333 Or, or you said there was budget that day? The 26th. 850 00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:39,700 - The 26th or the 28th would be fine in the daytime. 851 00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:41,367 That would be fine. I figure we can do like an a 852 00:40:41,433 --> 00:40:42,934 noon if that works. 853 00:40:45,433 --> 00:40:47,166 - Everybody okay. With a 854 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,867 - 27th at night, you know, what time during 855 00:40:52,133 --> 00:40:53,100 when your time's gonna be? 856 00:40:54,367 --> 00:40:56,000 - I figured probably seven o'clock, 857 00:40:56,433 --> 00:40:58,233 - October 27th, - Seven o'clock. 858 00:40:58,433 --> 00:41:00,834 Yeah. And the daytime one, 859 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,133 - You want to, we can do the 26th if you want at at noon. 860 00:41:05,033 --> 00:41:06,033 At noon. Does that work? 861 00:41:09,367 --> 00:41:12,000 - Or the 28th? If that's if something that comes up. 862 00:41:13,934 --> 00:41:16,433 - Sure. That works too. - 28th now 863 00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:19,033 - I'm just saying I'm just put thrown out two options. 864 00:41:19,033 --> 00:41:21,266 If I'm coming in all this planning process, 865 00:41:21,367 --> 00:41:23,667 we find another conflict. But 866 00:41:24,367 --> 00:41:26,667 - Yeah, I think the only thing that might be problematic 867 00:41:26,734 --> 00:41:29,133 for having both of them in the same week would be if a 868 00:41:29,333 --> 00:41:30,467 resident's out of town that week, 869 00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:32,166 they're pretty much not gonna be able to 870 00:41:32,166 --> 00:41:33,166 - Make it. 871 00:41:33,166 --> 00:41:34,066 Well, and again, I think if, 872 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,333 if you can put it on the website 873 00:41:36,667 --> 00:41:38,367 and then maybe give them an opportunity to 874 00:41:39,033 --> 00:41:40,033 - Contact - One of us. 875 00:41:40,133 --> 00:41:44,066 - Yeah, that would work. - That's 876 00:41:44,066 --> 00:41:46,266 what I was gonna say is make sure people have ability 877 00:41:46,266 --> 00:41:47,533 to do virtual input. 878 00:41:48,266 --> 00:41:50,900 - Yep, we can do that. Thanks Kelly 879 00:41:54,934 --> 00:41:55,934 - In all. 880 00:41:59,266 --> 00:42:02,066 - All right, so - Does the evening one then we're going 881 00:42:02,066 --> 00:42:04,133 to say is on the 27th? Is that 882 00:42:04,867 --> 00:42:05,867 - That's what I have. 883 00:42:05,867 --> 00:42:07,100 27th at 7:00 PM Okay. 884 00:42:07,233 --> 00:42:10,533 And then noon on the 26th for the the daytime one. 885 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,300 - Okay. - And we'll try 886 00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:16,166 to get those notices out here in the next week 887 00:42:16,166 --> 00:42:17,567 or so. That way people are aware. 888 00:42:18,233 --> 00:42:19,266 - Okay, that sounds great. 889 00:42:19,667 --> 00:42:21,266 - You'll have something that we can look up 890 00:42:21,734 --> 00:42:22,900 before we just show up. 891 00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:26,266 - No, I will, I will definitely send all of these flyer 892 00:42:26,333 --> 00:42:28,300 or these posters out to you in advance. 893 00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:29,867 That way you can look at 'em 894 00:42:29,867 --> 00:42:31,133 and kind of familiarize yourself. 895 00:42:31,634 --> 00:42:35,467 And then as far as online goes, we'll either put the posters 896 00:42:36,066 --> 00:42:39,266 online or I might talk with the planning agency 897 00:42:39,367 --> 00:42:41,166 to see if they could do what's called a story map 898 00:42:41,166 --> 00:42:44,066 where it's just a, we did that for the rural areas 899 00:42:44,166 --> 00:42:45,734 and I think we did it for the small area plan 900 00:42:45,734 --> 00:42:48,000 where you can just go online and kind of scroll through a 901 00:42:48,767 --> 00:42:50,166 a story format and with, 902 00:42:50,166 --> 00:42:52,367 there'll already be maps preloaded into it 903 00:42:52,367 --> 00:42:54,734 and then at the end we can have a feedback section. 904 00:42:54,734 --> 00:42:55,767 That way it's all in one. 905 00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:58,900 That might be the easiest for folks. Yeah. Like that idea. 906 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,934 Yeah. So I'll work on having that put together too. 907 00:43:03,266 --> 00:43:06,133 - Okay. All right. That sounds great. I 908 00:43:06,033 --> 00:43:07,100 - And you're gonna cancel October? 909 00:43:07,233 --> 00:43:09,100 That's the, that's the plan here. 910 00:43:10,066 --> 00:43:13,500 - No, October 16th. Well we'll have an open house. Yeah, 911 00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:14,500 - You'll have this - Instead. 912 00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:19,100 Yes. So, all right, that sounds good. 913 00:43:19,333 --> 00:43:22,634 I'm looking forward to it. Anything else on that? 914 00:43:24,834 --> 00:43:28,700 Okay, we'll move on to the agenda for September. It'll 915 00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:29,700 - Be November, - September 916 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,233 - 'cause we're already in September. I 917 00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:33,233 - Oh, okay. I made 918 00:43:33,233 --> 00:43:35,634 - A note in my mind to change that and did not do it 919 00:43:35,634 --> 00:43:37,634 before the agenda went out. 920 00:43:37,734 --> 00:43:41,100 So in addition to whatever feedback you get, 921 00:43:43,467 --> 00:43:44,467 - Tomorrow's the first day of fall. 922 00:43:44,533 --> 00:43:46,033 I can't believe that. You 923 00:43:46,233 --> 00:43:47,500 - Know, in addition, I think 924 00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:49,867 to talking about whatever feedback you get from the village 925 00:43:50,033 --> 00:43:52,767 open houses, I would also suggest you start talking about 926 00:43:52,767 --> 00:43:54,233 your work plan for next year. 927 00:43:54,533 --> 00:43:56,867 - Okay. - Those would be the two items I would recommend 928 00:43:56,867 --> 00:43:58,033 you have on your agenda in November. 929 00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:00,634 - Well I'd sure like to get some more parking on 930 00:44:00,867 --> 00:44:05,834 - And I usually usually appoint a nominating committee I 931 00:44:05,834 --> 00:44:06,934 think in November too, don't I? 932 00:44:07,066 --> 00:44:08,266 - Your bylaws were changed. 933 00:44:08,433 --> 00:44:10,100 That's no longer part of the process. 934 00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:12,500 You're gonna follow a process more similar to 935 00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:13,834 what the board would do, which is 936 00:44:13,834 --> 00:44:16,533 to just have a nomination in an election rather than having 937 00:44:16,734 --> 00:44:18,066 a a nominating committee. 938 00:44:19,333 --> 00:44:22,567 - Oh, did we do that? We did, - Yeah. Bob and 939 00:44:22,567 --> 00:44:23,567 - I drank beer. 940 00:44:23,567 --> 00:44:25,333 I thought we kept the nominating committee, but 941 00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:27,767 - I'm pretty sure your bylaws, 942 00:44:27,767 --> 00:44:28,934 when you admitted them, you decided 943 00:44:29,066 --> 00:44:30,066 - To take that out. 944 00:44:30,033 --> 00:44:31,033 I have no reason to drink. 945 00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:34,533 - Took another reason away. 946 00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:38,033 - You are welcome to meet 947 00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:41,867 and I buy all you want for whatever reason. 948 00:44:44,834 --> 00:44:46,066 So those were the two items I have. 949 00:44:46,066 --> 00:44:48,567 I don't know Todd, if you anticipate any plans. I don't. 950 00:44:49,567 --> 00:44:51,066 No, not currently. I don't. 951 00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:56,133 - Okay. Well that gives us, that gives us a lot 952 00:44:56,133 --> 00:44:57,367 for the next two months then. 953 00:44:59,066 --> 00:45:01,934 So I'll move on to reports. 954 00:45:02,133 --> 00:45:03,834 I know Todd, you already passed around. 955 00:45:04,333 --> 00:45:07,266 Yeah, I think, yeah, you need to send them back. 956 00:45:08,734 --> 00:45:13,467 And so Centre Region Planning Commission. 957 00:45:13,567 --> 00:45:14,834 Jeff, do you have a Yeah, 958 00:45:14,834 --> 00:45:15,834 - We have a meeting. 959 00:45:16,700 --> 00:45:19,266 Hey, we discussed data centers pretty much 960 00:45:19,333 --> 00:45:21,367 as we did tonight, so there's not much more to say. 961 00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:24,066 I guess I told you what I learned. 962 00:45:25,934 --> 00:45:29,266 The A RL at the innovation park is moving forward. 963 00:45:29,266 --> 00:45:32,000 They've got proper permitting for sewer 964 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,567 and water I guess to, to hooked up 965 00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:39,500 then we would, we talked a while about the proposed Zoning 966 00:45:39,634 --> 00:45:41,066 on 200 Allen Street. 967 00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:42,634 I think that's Addison Court 968 00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:48,066 as I got this, you probably know more. 969 00:45:48,133 --> 00:45:51,700 It's like, will the Borough bail us out for 15 970 00:45:51,700 --> 00:45:54,000 and a half million or we want a Zoning Ordinance 971 00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:56,300 to raise the building to 75 feet. 972 00:45:58,533 --> 00:46:02,634 Of course we agreed with the planning commission there 973 00:46:03,166 --> 00:46:07,300 that no, on the raising, they've already set their Zoning 974 00:46:07,367 --> 00:46:10,033 to be at 45 feet on that side of Beaver Avenue. 975 00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:13,066 And so they wanted a permit to read 976 00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:17,100 and you know what they would do if they got that through, 977 00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:18,867 they'd knock the building down. 978 00:46:19,033 --> 00:46:21,033 Right. And somebody would buy it 979 00:46:21,033 --> 00:46:23,100 and put up student housing at 75 feet. 980 00:46:23,133 --> 00:46:24,500 So that makes absolutely no sense. 981 00:46:24,834 --> 00:46:26,100 It's like being held hostage 982 00:46:27,066 --> 00:46:31,066 because I think the place is 30% empty 983 00:46:31,066 --> 00:46:33,000 because it's in such bad repair. 984 00:46:33,367 --> 00:46:36,100 Oh really? Yeah, I mean it just doesn't make sense. 985 00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:38,100 They gave them a tax break to have the place, 986 00:46:38,133 --> 00:46:41,133 they gave them money so that they would be low rent 987 00:46:41,033 --> 00:46:44,000 for people and then the owner did not take care 988 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,367 of the building and make were major repairs to it. 989 00:46:46,734 --> 00:46:48,133 Now he wants a bail out 990 00:46:48,166 --> 00:46:50,767 or please change the Zoning to 75 feet. 991 00:46:51,767 --> 00:46:53,000 That's the way I read it. 992 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,000 Maybe I got it wrong, 993 00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:58,166 but it didn't make any sense to me. So, and then 994 00:46:58,767 --> 00:46:59,767 - I guess they agreed with you. 995 00:47:00,266 --> 00:47:01,333 - We all said no. 996 00:47:02,367 --> 00:47:04,533 Yeah, and then we had a discussion, 997 00:47:04,634 --> 00:47:08,900 more discussion on the comprehensive plan and, 998 00:47:09,133 --> 00:47:11,000 and the land use map and it's moving forward. 999 00:47:13,367 --> 00:47:16,100 - Okay. All right. Thanks Jeff. 1000 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,367 Peggy, did you have a technical committee meeting? 1001 00:47:20,533 --> 00:47:23,100 - I was not able to attend the meeting so I don't have a 1002 00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:24,100 - Report. 1003 00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:25,767 Okay. Alright. 1004 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,333 Recent action by the board of Supervisors at 1005 00:47:30,333 --> 00:47:31,700 - Their August 10th meeting, 1006 00:47:31,700 --> 00:47:33,700 the board approved the Rocky Ridge final 1007 00:47:33,700 --> 00:47:35,300 subdivision plan and that was 1008 00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:37,100 - Basically just a minor land swap 1009 00:47:37,333 --> 00:47:40,467 and future dedication of East K Street to the Township. 1010 00:47:41,066 --> 00:47:43,100 Anticipate the Township taking all 1011 00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:44,934 of the streets in Rocky Ridge 1012 00:47:45,767 --> 00:47:49,066 at a special meeting this Wednesday was on their agenda 1013 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,700 for the September meeting but was unable to be acted upon. 1014 00:47:52,834 --> 00:47:55,033 But after Wednesday we should have all 1015 00:47:55,033 --> 00:47:57,767 of the existing streets in Rocky Ridge as part 1016 00:47:57,767 --> 00:48:00,100 of the Township Street network board. 1017 00:48:00,066 --> 00:48:01,567 Also discussed amendments to the SDO 1018 00:48:01,567 --> 00:48:03,333 and Zoning Ordinance to require the postage 1019 00:48:03,333 --> 00:48:05,934 of signage when the subdivision land development 1020 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,567 or planned residential development plan is submitted. 1021 00:48:09,033 --> 00:48:12,100 That was submitted to the, OR sent to the CRPC for review 1022 00:48:12,266 --> 00:48:13,700 and will be considered 1023 00:48:14,133 --> 00:48:16,000 for adoption at the October board meeting. 1024 00:48:16,433 --> 00:48:18,000 And then at their meeting last week, 1025 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,767 the board approved the John w Tennis minor subdivision plan, 1026 00:48:20,767 --> 00:48:22,500 which proposes combining two lots 1027 00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:23,767 along Bowl Avenue into one parcel. 1028 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,033 I believe it's still up here on the board behind you. 1029 00:48:26,533 --> 00:48:29,033 That was submitted probably back in August. 1030 00:48:29,367 --> 00:48:30,467 So it wasn't on any of your 1031 00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:32,033 previous planning commission agendas. 1032 00:48:32,634 --> 00:48:34,734 And they also discussed the future land use map 1033 00:48:34,867 --> 00:48:37,266 and moved that item forward to the CRPC 1034 00:48:38,934 --> 00:48:39,934 - Two officer. 1035 00:48:40,066 --> 00:48:42,634 - It's the, the old tennis lamp shop property 1036 00:48:42,634 --> 00:48:46,033 that pink line highlighted there has always gone right 1037 00:48:46,033 --> 00:48:47,100 through the middle of the property 1038 00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:49,033 and the property owner wants to remove that so 1039 00:48:49,033 --> 00:48:50,734 that it has one lot rather than two 1040 00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:53,700 - Right through the house. 1041 00:48:55,033 --> 00:48:56,100 Okay. So sure 1042 00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:58,700 - The property line's good was yeah. But yeah, 1043 00:48:59,233 --> 00:49:02,033 - So okay. 1044 00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:03,100 I roof looks good. 1045 00:49:04,867 --> 00:49:06,500 - Doesn't leak anymore. - That's great. 1046 00:49:07,333 --> 00:49:09,266 So status of land development plans. 1047 00:49:09,333 --> 00:49:11,333 You mentioned Rocky Ridge section six 1048 00:49:12,166 --> 00:49:15,233 and this King minor subdivision 1049 00:49:15,233 --> 00:49:16,333 plan that's new, is that right? 1050 00:49:17,033 --> 00:49:17,700 Yeah. And 1051 00:49:22,133 --> 00:49:24,066 so is that the lot was subdivided at one time 1052 00:49:24,066 --> 00:49:26,000 and now I want to consolidate again. That 1053 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,033 - Was part of the, one of the Hawk Ridge plans. 1054 00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:33,867 The two lots that have frontage on Academy Street 1055 00:49:35,700 --> 00:49:37,467 are being combined into one lot now. 1056 00:49:37,467 --> 00:49:39,033 They were bought by the same person. 1057 00:49:39,433 --> 00:49:42,066 - Okay. Alright. 1058 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,100 So instead of, yeah, so cut the number of houses from two 1059 00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:47,500 to one in theory 1060 00:49:48,467 --> 00:49:51,533 and save the Yeah. 1061 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,667 And help out with some 1062 00:49:53,667 --> 00:49:55,367 of the drainage maybe coming down the hill there. 1063 00:49:57,667 --> 00:50:00,166 And does that, that's a minor plan so we, we won't do that. 1064 00:50:00,166 --> 00:50:02,500 Yes. Okay. Okay. 1065 00:50:03,433 --> 00:50:05,734 Anything else for the good of the order tonight? 1066 00:50:07,066 --> 00:50:11,367 If not, I will accept a motion to Adjourn. So moved. 1067 00:50:11,367 --> 00:50:15,133 Alright. Aye second. I second. Alright Peggy. Okay. 1068 00:50:15,166 --> 00:50:17,900 All in favor of adjourning say aye. Aye. 1069 00:50:19,033 --> 00:50:23,033 - Aye. - Thanks. All opposed? 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