1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,400 You're ready. 2 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:23,519 » All right, let's call the meeting in order. We'll start with the pledge of 3 00:00:21,279 --> 00:00:28,480 allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 4 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:34,320 United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation 5 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:36,800 under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 6 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,160 » Thank you. Theresa, please take the role. 7 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,680 » Okay. Mayor Jones >> here. 8 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,600 » Here. >> Carlson, 9 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:42,879 » yes. >> Here. 10 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:46,559 » Matson >> here. Jilling 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:51,120 » here. And Bowen is absent with notice. >> All right. Do we have a motion to 12 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:54,320 approve the agenda for tonight's meeting? 13 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:56,160 Make a motion to approve the agenda for tonight. 14 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,559 » Second. >> Any discussion? 15 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:02,960 » Hearing none. We'll vote. Carlson, >> yes. 16 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,960 » Matson, >> yes. 17 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,240 » Gil, yes. >> Yes. 18 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,439 » Shilling, [snorts] >> yes. 19 00:01:07,119 --> 00:01:14,880 » All right. We have one item on the agenda tonight. It's to review, discuss, 20 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:19,119 and approve the real estate transfer between the city of Hartford and Gateway 21 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:24,080 Hartford. Before we start, I have one of our uh one of the members from Gateway 22 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:30,080 Hartford who had asked if he could have a second to introduce himself. So, I 23 00:01:26,960 --> 00:01:33,080 would like to ask Keith Matis up to the podium. 24 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:39,520 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. >> You bet. Those that don't know me, I'm 25 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:44,000 Keith Matis. Couple guys see your face, but I should 26 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:50,720 put a name. Anyway, uh I'm the president of GHI. 27 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:54,560 So, and I just kind of wanted to make myself uh [clears throat] 28 00:01:52,799 --> 00:02:00,799 introduce myself to everybody so you know who I am, which I do know mostly 29 00:01:58,479 --> 00:02:07,439 competitive. But I've been here in town for 30 years and your population's 30 00:02:03,119 --> 00:02:12,640 double and then some. I know we got some light industrial buildings in coming. 31 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:17,520 Pretty good looking stuff. Good good direction. 32 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:24,319 So um because of that lagoons get a little small outdated we got to build a 33 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:27,440 new treatment plant which we did with what was that 9.4 million 34 00:02:26,959 --> 00:02:31,760 » grant >> grant. Yeah. 35 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:37,280 » Yeah. So thank you guys for that. But here's what it did do. It doubled my 36 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:42,640 utility bill. It was $48 37 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:48,991 times two. It's a little tough at times. Get that 38 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:51,599 off there as soon as you can. [clears throat] 39 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:57,680 » We'd love to do that. >> Anyway, that gets us to this point. 40 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:04,959 There isn't a hard deadline on moving dirt, mitigating the ground, but there 41 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:11,280 is with some grants, federal money. So, including one that has a January 28th 42 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:17,200 deadline. So pushing that side of things. 43 00:03:14,239 --> 00:03:20,879 » Thank you. Thank you, Keith. >> Thanks. 44 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:25,040 » All right. The way I'm uh proposing we're going to move this forward, I'm 45 00:03:22,239 --> 00:03:28,879 going to give you some background on on this uh 46 00:03:27,637 --> 00:03:33,200 [clears throat] transfer of paperwork and the resolution. We'll open it up if 47 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:39,040 anybody has any questions, comments. They'll be more than free to come up and 48 00:03:36,159 --> 00:03:46,319 address. the council then will discuss and we'll move forward. 49 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:49,680 So I'll start with this. Uh city's been working on setting up a 50 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:54,080 special project entity which we have done to assist with the lagoon 51 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:58,159 remediation repurposing of this land for future development. 52 00:03:56,239 --> 00:04:03,120 This special project entity is known as Gateway Hartford Inc. This entity will 53 00:04:00,959 --> 00:04:08,080 be able to apply for grant funding to remediate the lagoons and help the 54 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:11,920 future land transfer as needed. In order to secure grant funding for remediation, 55 00:04:10,239 --> 00:04:16,799 the lagoon land will need to be transferred to Gateway Hartford, Inc. 56 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:20,720 Once transferred to Gateway Hartford, Inc., they will work to remediate the 57 00:04:18,479 --> 00:04:26,800 lagoons, work on the master plan for the area, develop and market as needed. 58 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:31,199 In order to move forward, this transfer involved two steps. 59 00:04:29,199 --> 00:04:34,960 One, the council will need to approve the real estate transfer agreement which 60 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:40,000 lays out the agreement between the city of Hartford and Gateway Hartford, Inc. 61 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:46,560 for the land transfer, remediation, and eventual development. 62 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:51,600 Key items to note in the agreement are GHI has been created, Greater Gateway 63 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:55,680 Hartford has been created as a nonprofit economic development corp to help 64 00:04:54,080 --> 00:05:01,199 facilitate the remediation of the lagoons and redevelopment of the 65 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:05,919 property and surrounding area. Gateway Hartford, Inc. is eligible for 66 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:13,680 brownfield grants and for the for this remediation which the city is not 67 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:19,520 eligible for being the contaminant. This grant if awarded will save the 68 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:24,720 taxpayers approximately $2.8 million in funds that would otherwise be at the 69 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:29,440 taxpayers's expense. Resolution 2026-3 70 00:05:27,039 --> 00:05:34,160 will transfer the land. All associated cap costs for the trans with the 71 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:39,440 transfer would be paid for by each respective party. 72 00:05:36,639 --> 00:05:44,160 Gate Gateway Hartford will be obligated to apply for grants for the lagoon 73 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:48,880 remediation, develop a master plan for the area and move forward with 74 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:54,479 developing including platting, zoning, infrastructure and marketing. If the 75 00:05:51,680 --> 00:06:00,240 lagoons cannot be remediated for whatever reason by Gateway Hartford, the 76 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:06,479 land would revert back to the city. The city can also demand reconveyance of the 77 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:13,840 land if greater if Gateway Hartford does not carry out the duties per agreement. 78 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:18,560 Once Greater Gateway Hartford, Inc. has completed its agreed upon task, this 79 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:25,520 entity will dissolve and any net proceeds will revert back to the city. 80 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:30,400 Along with this, the council number two council also needs to approve resolution 81 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:35,440 2026-3 which will transfer the land to Gateway 82 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:41,840 Hartford. All right, that's what we're going to 83 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:46,720 discuss. Anybody in the crowd want to have anything they'd like to say? 84 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:50,800 » A couple questions. >> Yep. Go ahead. [clears throat] Say who 85 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:55,280 you are so the camera knows. Monarch Anderson. 86 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:58,080 Um, so what does the development look like? I know that we don't have a plan 87 00:06:56,639 --> 00:06:59,520 or I'm guessing you don't have an overall plan, 88 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:05,759 » right? >> But when I hear the city or this entity 89 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:11,759 would then develop that area. Would would the intention be to have 90 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:18,000 those like build ready lots or is that get rid of the the ponds, get it, you 91 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:22,400 know, grid it out and then sell to a developer that would then come in and 92 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:27,039 develop. What would the intention be there? 93 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:34,000 That would be the that would be the plan to get the get the lagoons remediated, 94 00:07:31,300 --> 00:07:38,400 [clears throat] get them to what do they call that? uh level ready. Is that what 95 00:07:37,199 --> 00:07:41,840 they call that? >> Shovel ready. 96 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:48,560 » Shovel ready or whatever they call that? And then begin the process at that point 97 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:52,560 to market it to developers. And if I misspoke Mark and said the city's going 98 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,160 to the city won't be developing this. >> Well, that that was my question, I 99 00:07:53,919 --> 00:07:57,360 guess. >> Yeah. No, the city's not going to be 100 00:07:55,599 --> 00:08:03,280 developing. If I said that, >> I miss Oh, we're once we transfer the 101 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:06,000 land to Gateway Hartford. Yeah. They're going to be in charge of making all this 102 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,520 happen. >> But Gateway Hartford, would they develop 103 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:13,759 that then for build ready lots or is that just a mitigate ponds, grade things 104 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,160 out >> and get it ready 105 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:20,720 » ready and then a developer would come in, build roads 106 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:25,199 and put infrastructure in. What does that look like? 107 00:08:23,599 --> 00:08:28,080 » TBD. There's no plan at the moment, 108 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:34,240 » right, >> to do that. Um, I think the 109 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:41,200 conversation's been had to reach out to developers and work with them to see 110 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:46,959 what they provide for a plan. The only plan the the city and Gateway Arford has 111 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:51,211 to um use as a point of reference at this point is the plan that ISG had put 112 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:57,440 together a couple years ago. [clears throat] So, we'll start there. 113 00:08:53,360 --> 00:09:02,800 Um, but as far as if we try to solicit, you know, developers to just purchase 114 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:05,519 the whole 72 acres, that'd be ideal and then it's done. 115 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:09,600 But >> that was my question, I guess, as 116 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,160 » somebody that's in that. >> Yep. 117 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:16,240 » You know, the risk >> and all that that goes along with it. 118 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:19,600 The cost, the risk, you know, I was just curious if that's something the city was 119 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:23,360 looking at taking on or if that's something that, you know, the taxpayers 120 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:28,480 would want to avoid. >> Well, that's why this uh first piece of 121 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,800 transferring to the nonprofit that can apply for the remediation grant, it's 122 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:35,440 huge. >> Yeah. I mean, if that honestly 123 00:09:33,839 --> 00:09:40,560 » there's a lot of value in the land for the city and offset other costs. 124 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:45,839 » If that doesn't happen and the land reverts back to the city and we're back 125 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:49,920 to square one that I mean that changes this whole deal, I will tell you. 126 00:09:47,519 --> 00:09:52,640 » No, I I understand that. It's obviously you don't know what 127 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:56,399 » I mean we don't have an extra look like >> Yeah. We don't have an extra 3 million 128 00:09:54,399 --> 00:10:00,240 laying around that we're ready to go do that if that happened. 129 00:09:57,839 --> 00:10:03,360 » Yep. Atlantic County from here 130 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:07,600 » uh or >> but what I want to say is there's 131 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:14,640 anformational meeting tomorrow night with ISG and developers some of our 132 00:10:10,959 --> 00:10:19,519 people will be there with concepts >> what 133 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:23,360 kind of preliminary news too yeah and really to talk about how are we going to 134 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:27,040 go how what do we got to do to get this grant application one you know 135 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:30,560 » yeah that's a big piece of it >> and that's a huge piece of this deal so 136 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:34,800 you're asking asking questions that if we're acting like we're we don't cuz we 137 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,360 don't know. I mean, there's things we just don't know. 138 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:41,440 » Yeah. >> I think that's why it's important to 139 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:44,079 have the provisions in the agreement, >> right? 140 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:48,560 » If it if they don't if Gateway Hartford can't secure grants, then we've got a 141 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:54,240 whole other the land needs to come back and we need to re-evaluate. 142 00:10:50,399 --> 00:11:00,240 » Sure. Yeah. I mean, our hope is is that we don't get to the point where we can't 143 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:05,519 get it remediated, comes back to the city, we can't find other sources to 144 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:09,200 grant this deal, and the state comes to us and says, "Oh, by the way, what are 145 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:14,000 you guys going to do with this?" >> Yeah. There's Yeah. impacts the value 146 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:19,760 obviously. So, cuz the way it sits right now, 147 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:23,920 I don't know if a if a developer would come in and say, "Oh, yeah. I'll buy 148 00:11:21,279 --> 00:11:25,920 this on the betting on the fact that I can get all this done." 149 00:11:25,279 --> 00:11:29,120 » Sure. >> You know what I mean? 150 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,800 » Yep. >> Okay. 151 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,040 » Thank you. >> You bet. 152 00:11:37,839 --> 00:11:47,279 » Anybody else? I guess I'll say a few things here. So 153 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:49,680 Eric Bucking here. So your meeting tomorrow night for theformational 154 00:11:48,959 --> 00:11:53,120 meeting >> Yep. 155 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:56,240 » is after the land transfer. So that So just like Keith said, everybody's got a 156 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:00,640 lot of questions. You don't know how this is going to go. Correct. 157 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:04,240 But let's just start by transferring the land without questions. And that's those 158 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:08,320 are the right steps. >> You have to transfer the land so that we 159 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,480 can apply for the grant by the 28th of January. 160 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:14,079 » And what is that grant? We know how much that grant is. 161 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:18,320 » It's open-ended at this point, isn't it? >> It is. I mean, obviously, it's through 162 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:22,480 the state, but basically the dollar amount will be up to the state. So, it's 163 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:26,240 it's not capped at like 600,000 or 800,000 or whatnot. You could possibly 164 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,399 get the full amount. Not saying we will, but 165 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:31,300 » So, we have an engineers estimate that we'll base our grant request on. 166 00:12:29,839 --> 00:12:34,720 » Yes, we will request. They [clears throat] will request for the 167 00:12:32,399 --> 00:12:40,399 whole thing. So if you let's say you get 800,000 or a million bucks, 168 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:44,240 what will you do with the shortfall or what will you do with that million bucks 169 00:12:41,839 --> 00:12:47,800 if you are granted that that doesn't complete that project? 170 00:12:48,959 --> 00:12:56,399 » That's a great question. Um come back to the city and ask for the 171 00:12:53,600 --> 00:13:01,959 balance to refinish the remediation. The intent of Gateway Hartford is to 172 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,959 remediate the property 173 00:13:02,079 --> 00:13:07,040 to get it ready so it could be so it's a sellable lot 174 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,639 » because you can't just leave it. It's contaminated, 175 00:13:08,079 --> 00:13:13,480 » right? >> So 2 million's less than 3 million. 176 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:18,880 So anything we get would be a bonus. I think timing and speed is always the 177 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,639 question. >> Yeah. And the number's always been out 178 00:13:20,639 --> 00:13:26,959 there. It has it's never been a secret that it's going to cost the the price 179 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:30,800 has increased >> pretty substantially like everything but 180 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:34,959 it it started out at a million to remediate it and then it went to7 and 181 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:41,360 now it's at three. So, is there anything in your guys's bylaws or 182 00:13:38,639 --> 00:13:45,760 um articles of corporation that state 183 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,800 like let's say you get let's say you get a million you get a million dollar 184 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:55,839 grant. You start with a million dollars worth of dirt. The nonprofit becomes 185 00:13:53,680 --> 00:14:01,279 essentially inoperable because there's no funds and there's a million dollar 186 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:06,160 property already. Is there any safeguards in those articles stating 187 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:10,720 that you can't just go and sell that said land 188 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:14,959 to a any developer or any organization for a 189 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:19,920 dollar just to get it out when I need to. Somebody says, "Hey, I want to come 190 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:25,600 in and I'm going to do I'm going to bring project XYZ into this into this 191 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:30,720 land and I'll buy it from you for a buck and do the remainder of the mediation." 192 00:14:27,839 --> 00:14:35,120 Well, I think speaking from my experience with federal grants in other 193 00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:40,399 settings, if we take money for a purpose and don't complete that purpose, 194 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:46,000 you didn't fulfill the requirements of the grant. So, I don't know if the city 195 00:14:44,399 --> 00:14:49,760 get a third of what you need, would you even can you technically start your 196 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:52,480 project? >> I don't think that would be wise. 197 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:57,839 Obviously, it's going to be a board decision, but for me, as I played that 198 00:14:54,880 --> 00:15:01,040 out, that Gateway Hartford would have to come to the city and say, "Okay, this is 199 00:14:59,199 --> 00:15:04,240 what we got for a grant as the contaminator, the polluter in the 200 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:09,360 property. Let's work to find the other 2 million." 201 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:15,760 » Grants usually come with a specified time frame to 202 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:19,600 complete and you continue to follow up as it's 203 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:25,920 required in the grant. The intent is not for Gateway Artford to 204 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:29,760 one-third it or half weigh it or 3/4 it. It's to completely get it remediated and 205 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:32,880 give it back to the city >> or 206 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:37,839 in other words the city [clears throat] >> if you are granted 3 million essentially 207 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:42,440 you're like hey this project is going to work. We're going to grant it back to 208 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,440 the city. It's possible, 209 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:50,320 » but there's also nothing saying that >> once that land gets transferred, there's 210 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:54,160 nothing saying that it can't be sold to another entity as well once it's in that 211 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:59,519 nonprofit, even us as a development foundation. There's nothing saying that 212 00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:04,160 we can't sell our land as a nonprofit to any given organization for a dollar. 213 00:16:02,959 --> 00:16:07,440 » Um, >> in [clears throat] my reading, 214 00:16:05,199 --> 00:16:13,839 » I think this Yeah, go ahead, sir. In my reading, it can be sold for the purposes 215 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:18,240 of economic development, but if they cannot complete the 216 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:22,160 remediation, they can't just they they have to 217 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:26,519 complete the remediation otherwise it comes back to the city, the land, 218 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:35,920 » which is what bullet five says, >> so in your sit in your scenario, 219 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:39,600 if that were to happen, the only way that that could happen would be the 220 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:43,360 agreement of the party purchasing it for a dollar. In your case, there would have 221 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,320 to be an agreement in place that they would fully agree 222 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:49,320 » immediately. >> Correct. 223 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:56,480 » Yeah. That in the reconveyance here it says there's an alternate to 224 00:16:54,959 --> 00:17:01,680 reconveyance. uh Gateway and the city may agree that 225 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:06,000 Gateway may sell the property to a mutually agreeable third party which 226 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:10,720 will then assume responsibility for remediation of the lagoon site for 227 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:13,720 future re redevelopment. >> So 228 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:17,880 what would the 229 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:24,079 so yeah I mean obviously if you guys are granted the 2.8 billion, 230 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:27,199 3 million, whatever it is. It's great because now all of a sudden you have an 231 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:34,559 asset that you could essentially possibly market to a developer to um you 232 00:17:31,919 --> 00:17:40,880 know it's interstate project should be minimum 30 $40,000 acre land. It should 233 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:44,799 be good asset to the city but um not to the city to gay Hartford with the intent 234 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:50,400 that if there's any money left when it's all said and done comes back to the city 235 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:54,559 at that point. We're not going to get money off the land until everything's 236 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:58,039 said and done and it's all sold. That's the way it's written. 237 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:05,360 I mean, we're not going to be selling every parcel and taking a chunk. This 238 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:09,440 thing has to be finished. They got to sell 71 acres and have it done 239 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:14,160 » and then they're done. >> Then they dissolve. Then the money Well, 240 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:18,240 if there's anything left, then it comes back. 241 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:23,919 That's how we That's how we drew it up. That's why we wanted it wanted it drawn 242 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:27,760 up. So yeah, it says in the event Gateway 243 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:31,840 Hartford or its successor by assignment merger or reorganization is unable to 244 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:37,200 carry out its duties under this agreement 245 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:40,480 or attempts to sell, assign or lease to a private third party developer, city 246 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:46,559 shall have the right but not the obligation to demand gateway reconvey 247 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:52,520 the entire property back to the city. So we either drag it across the finish 248 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:52,520 line or we give it back to the city. 249 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:59,840 » I guess one other concern and it kind of is leading to 250 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:06,160 um what Mark had to say with Mark said 251 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:11,440 obviously I'm on the HABF board. We have a 40 acre development and 140 some acre 252 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:15,039 parcel of land which Travis you and I have had that discussion about that 140 253 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:20,880 acre parcel of land. it's not that desirable piece of land. Um, 254 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:25,600 feel like there needs to be something done with that. But 255 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:30,640 as an outside developer looking into the city of Hartford, 256 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:37,440 knowing that there's 100, we have like 180 acres, 160 to 180 257 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:43,760 acres of land to develop and now all of a sudden there's another nonprofit 258 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:48,720 developing 70 more acres. How does an outside developer looking in 259 00:19:46,799 --> 00:19:53,919 see Hartford as a very inviting community as a developer? 260 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:59,280 Our purpose is to remediate the ground whether that at that point we decide to 261 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:03,360 develop it or sell it to a developer said that you either see it through the 262 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:07,200 end or give it back to the city >> but the the board ultimately has 263 00:20:05,039 --> 00:20:12,400 ultimate say once it's remediated do we take the next step is there interest in 264 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:17,440 that or do we give it back to the city so that's where way back it's TBD if we 265 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:22,640 go back to Mark's comments >> I mean I guess I'm not a developer so I 266 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:28,080 probably don't view things uh the same way, but this land is going to be ready 267 00:20:24,799 --> 00:20:30,720 for development for years. >> Few years, probably be 268 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:33,600 » few years, but I mean >> 27 at their earliest. 269 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:39,280 » Yeah. 27. >> Yeah. And there are adjacent parcel 270 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:44,880 owners interested in collaborating on what the development in that area looks 271 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:50,960 like. Um I think if the assumption is that it will absolutely only be in for 272 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,520 sure industrial park I mean I don't know if that's an absolute 273 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:58,159 » right >> or is it some other type of 274 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:04,480 » right whatever it is whatever it is as a nonprofit is I mean even for us as a 275 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:08,720 nonprofit we can we can manipulate the numbers to bring businesses into town 276 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:12,400 way different than a private developer can for 277 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:14,799 » I guess What I was trying to say is >> tough competition for outside 278 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:19,679 development. >> It might not be a 279 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:26,400 um a competitor to the type of development 280 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:30,880 that HADF is currently has. >> I'm not saying I'm saying it's any 281 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:34,400 outside developer potentially. Well, I guess 282 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:41,600 » that was, you know, the city's creating competition for somebody like our group 283 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:46,159 that is developing and has land. >> Well, I don't think a business park is 284 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:50,320 in your development. >> No, this industrial focus then 285 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,919 » this isn't industrial focus, >> right? 286 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:56,880 » There's also a master plan >> component that goes with this. We're 287 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:02,320 going to have this thing master planned out which is going to start shortly. 288 00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:08,400 » Yep. if we can get through uh the paperwork. And the other thing that 289 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:13,200 Gateway Hartford is bound to is that master plan. 290 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:20,159 We've we've tried to put some guard rails in there so this deal gets to the 291 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:24,960 end in a fashion that benefits the city. We I mean we're looking to create, as we 292 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:30,320 called it, Gateway Hartford. We want to create a nice window into the into the 293 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:33,520 city. It's not an industrial park. It's a uh what's the 294 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,640 » track houses? >> What's the place that uh we talk about 295 00:22:36,159 --> 00:22:41,679 on >> the Golden Triangle? 296 00:22:37,679 --> 00:22:47,200 » Golden Triangle 229 and 229 where they built City Bank and in there those types 297 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:53,760 of that's oh Tom's call in 298 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:57,600 » our mess lake to the party. But I I think you know you mentioned it's right 299 00:22:55,679 --> 00:23:02,880 it has that interstate you know visibility. I think there's other types 300 00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:06,320 of businesses that aren't that might be more interested in that. Not for 301 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:10,720 convenience because certainly it'd be convenient for indust you know for an 302 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:15,280 industrial park type situation as far as traffic in and out but it's also pretty 303 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,120 attractive in terms of other commercial development. 304 00:23:15,919 --> 00:23:20,240 » I mean I'm sure it would be attractive to a lot of private developers. 305 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:25,760 » These are really gateway hardford questions. Do you have any questions 306 00:23:21,919 --> 00:23:31,120 regarding the transfer of land? >> Well, the trans I mean here and it is a 307 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:35,280 Gateway Hartford question as well, but you're transferring it. You guys both 308 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,120 have an interest in Gateway Harford and obviously you have some information 309 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,320 about it. >> What is our interest? 310 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,880 » Aren't you board members? >> Yeah, but what do you mean by interest? 311 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,919 What are you saying? We >> have the interest of the city. 312 00:23:43,919 --> 00:23:51,200 » What are you saying beyond that? >> I'm saying you're on the board. So, 313 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:54,240 you've obviously had conversation and And 314 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:58,000 » what are you inferring? >> I'm saying you have information about 315 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,400 what you have intentions for this land for. 316 00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:04,480 » The only intention we have is to get it transferred, get a master development 317 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:09,120 plan going, get it remediated, get it >> different businesses about, you know, 318 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:11,919 the >> same goes. I mean, honestly, there's 319 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:16,000 ideas there. >> Well, sure there's ideas. I I think if 320 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:21,440 you go back to the point that if you look at the master plan that the city 321 00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:24,720 has what is that that's why it's in part of what we put forward to Gateway 322 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:29,679 Hartford is has to comport with what that master plan looks like and that 323 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:35,039 property along the interstate doesn't look like in the master plan an 324 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:37,919 industrial park >> the existing 325 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:41,840 » that's my me >> I I have not talked with Gateway 326 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:47,200 Hartford but when you say it has to comport with the master plan. When I 327 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:54,072 recall looking at the master plan, that's what was along that track. 328 00:24:51,679 --> 00:24:58,320 » All right, question. [clears throat] 329 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:01,799 All right. Anybody else? 330 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,400 If not, 331 00:25:06,159 --> 00:25:12,960 we'll move forward. Any action from the council or discussion that we need to 332 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:18,240 have? And I just see this as step one and then 333 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:22,559 and then moving on and then we'll have to monitor as we go along. Absolutely. 334 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:27,440 But this step one is critical for that uh grant. And then that's why I'll be 335 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:32,559 voting yes for this because uh it's all about that grant. And then after that 336 00:25:30,159 --> 00:25:35,840 » then I'll might be switching votes. Yes. No. We'll have to see, you know, 337 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,080 » just because I don't know. There's too many unknowns. 338 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:45,520 » Yeah. There's reszoning. There's a lot of steps. I would say my vote is based 339 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:49,840 on um there's a lot of worry about if this isn't a perfect plan, what if we 340 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:55,440 don't get the grant, what what is going to happen if things 341 00:25:52,240 --> 00:26:01,919 it's a it's a risk to benefit for me if this can go well. Gateway Harford can 342 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:06,480 get a sizable grant. It doesn't kill the city to take care of this remediation 343 00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:10,159 from a financial standpoint. And then at the end of it, 344 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:16,159 if we could sell it outright to a developer that somehow matches the 345 00:26:12,159 --> 00:26:21,600 vision uh in the city plan um and we get cash back to pay for we talked last 346 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:24,960 week, we need a new water tower in 5 to 10 years. We want a community event 347 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:28,480 center. We want a swimming pool. We don't have money for that. No one else 348 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:32,720 is going to write us a check to take care of those things. So, this is our 349 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:37,600 opportunity to make our best step forward to get money back out of this 350 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:44,559 property and take care of some of the needs without having more expenses. 351 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:48,760 So, that's why I'm very interested um in this. 352 00:26:45,679 --> 00:26:48,760 » All right. 353 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:56,880 Uh according to our attorney, we could go into uh executive for legal counsel 354 00:26:55,360 --> 00:27:00,799 if we felt the need. >> I'm I'm about 8 minutes away. I thought 355 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,720 the meeting was just seven and I apologize. 356 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,480 » Okay. >> I think we'll be done before you get 357 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:10,200 here. [laughter] >> Shut the meter off. 358 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:23,039 Uh is there any questions or concerns with anybody that we would need to 359 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:27,320 discuss further? If not, is there any action from the council? 360 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:38,400 I'll make a motion to approve land transfer to Gateway Hartford, Inc. 361 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:44,720 » Second. >> Any more discussion? 362 00:27:41,919 --> 00:27:46,480 » And can we add to authorize Ardan to sign an agreement to that? 363 00:27:46,159 --> 00:27:52,720 » Sure. >> And to add that Mayor Ardan Jones can 364 00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:58,159 sign the agreement. >> You want to amend your second? 365 00:27:55,360 --> 00:28:03,000 Second that amended motion. Okay. >> All right. Any more dis any other 366 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,000 discussion 367 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:06,960 » hearing? None. We'll vote. Shilling. >> Yes. 368 00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:07,919 » Harach, >> yes. 369 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,960 » Peele, >> yes. 370 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,320 » Matson, >> yes. 371 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,799 » Carlson, >> yes. 372 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:18,399 » All right. Uh, do we have to vote then on resolution 2026-3? 373 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:22,880 » Approved the agreement. So now the resolution was actually transparent. 374 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:27,679 » Yep. This is uh Erin Shidu, the attorney for 375 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:30,880 Julie Hartford. Yes. I have a bad connection. I just wanted to confirm. 376 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,200 Was there a second on the motion that was brought? 377 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:37,279 » Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. 378 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:42,679 » Yep. Thank you, Eric. All right. The next up is uh resolution 379 00:28:39,679 --> 00:28:42,679 2026-3, 380 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:49,000 which hold on. Let me get there. 381 00:28:55,039 --> 00:29:04,720 was a resolution approving the transfer of the real estate to Gateway Hartford. 382 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:09,279 » Make a motion uh to approve resolution 2026-3, transfer of real estate to 383 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:14,600 Gateway Hartford, Inc. >> Second. 384 00:29:10,159 --> 00:29:14,600 » Any more discussion on this one? 385 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,720 » Hearing none, we'll vote. Carlson, >> yes. Yes. 386 00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:19,600 » Matson. >> Yes. 387 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,200 » Kio. >> Yes. Parach. 388 00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:23,279 » Yes. >> Shelley. 389 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:29,720 » Yes. >> All right. Anything to go into executive 390 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,720 session for 391 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,960 hearing? None. Motion to adjurnn. >> Some move. 392 00:29:35,919 --> 00:29:44,640 » Second. Somebody. >> I'll second. 393 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,640 » All in favor? I thank