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First order of business to convene or the minutes from September the 8th we have both regular minutes and as well as minutes from the executive session, I would entertain any motion to accept both of those.

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So, I'm all thanks, Clare, second, but thank you, Trace, any discussion?

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Can I tell myself the reading of the telemanager update and a couple of seven systems in the paragraph

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that says, re-addressing is underway?

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I think we might want to define that.

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What it means, this is, you know, that it is the 911, or the address of this.

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Okay, we can make that thought, okay.

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Any other comments?

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I think it's a hundred percent.

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That's a mayors.

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Old favor say aye.

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Moving on to the orders where the accounts payable through today's September 21st.

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again, I need a motion to accept them. I'm going to take a bill through today. Thank you

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client a second. Second. Is that in case you're going to get a tie?

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I'm not sure when you got

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Thank you.

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Any comments?

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That's good to hear.

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That's good to hear.

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That's good to hear.

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It's going to be paid for by through the grant today.

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Thank you.

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I kept those for the discharge and culverts that we did on ground road.

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The appropriations from Calmediting or in this set of accounts payable.

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I noticed that the fire and rescue are too payment.

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or the really owners I didn't know them, those are the only things that we

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spent.

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See we paid close to school scale.

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Yep.

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How are we doing on our phone tax collection?

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We're doing okay Martin, do you want to get it?

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So, this fiscal year last year we're down to 130,000 building

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and the current taxes that were collected were 210,000 building.

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Thank you.

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Just an observation, and we all understand the situation, but it has payment to the school

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with $4,808,367, and some change.

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And the entire budget for the town is approximately $4.2 million.

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Just a little bit of right around there.

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Yes.

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Excuse me.

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Excuse me.

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You accept?

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Okay.

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All the papers say aye.

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Aye.

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Okay.

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We'll be in line.

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I'll come to my agenda.

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Okay.

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We have to go ahead and adjust the agenda.

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We haven't done that yet.

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Oh, John, I don't believe we have any adjustments to the agenda.

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So there was one, a letter went out to residents regarding the naming of Town Highway 8, talking

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to the saying that it would be talked about it.

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This black board meeting did not get put on the agenda.

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We can wait until the next regular, we'll just get a black board meeting, so I'm not going

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to add that to the agenda for tonight.

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Okay.

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Are there any public comments

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from Sir?

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Public comments regarding what's this is?

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General public comment slater in a agenda to quit you wrote is in a gender item. So we'll address that at that point

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There's a helmet has a hint of online. Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't know when that letter went out, please

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You might say the letter went out about

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Yeah, thank you

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No, because it went out only to the property owners who have

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Okay, okay

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I misunderstood, sorry. Thank you.

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Okay. Any other comments? Very something willing.

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Okay. Good. Let's move on to old business. The first item is the personal policy for the town.

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We discussed this and made some suggestive changes last time.

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I can leave, I don't have the page right here, but there was really one additional change

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that was going to be realized.

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As I can say, it's 16 in section 30.

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So there was the administrative regarding the exempt employees, just the last open conversation

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of these, the last paragraph on the top of grade 17 starts with employees classified exempt

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as exempts, or not entitled overtime, or FLSA Compton. That's the paragraph that was added.

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We removed the administer of time off section. Everything else remains the same for what you

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reviewed at the last meeting.

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Any questions?

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I'm close with the big things. We're looking

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to change. So I'd like to get emotional to pass the new personal policy. It's not given.

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It's dated 23, adopted this 21st day. It's December of 2026.

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Does this have to be posted?

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No. This is just an internal policy.

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So we adopted the amended on the part on the personnel policy, stated September 21st.

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These are a second.

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Thank you, Tom.

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All together.

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All together.

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All together.

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All together.

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All together.

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Thank you.

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Okay, let's move on to the next item. Under all business, the dog ordinance. Again, we reviewed this at the last meeting, I believe, earlier before, and we had a few syntax changes, and then a change regarding,

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if an owner was being warned, and they need to address over

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the exact moment.

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Yep, if there was a essentially a behavior program needed for a recurring problematic dog,

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we added language that this like words requests saying that we would coordinate those behavior

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modifications programs with or use available behavior modifications programs through the

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you can see that change in

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under a lot of true work pages and some of them are reckless

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to all go to the last couple of sentences.

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Yeah, so it's the bottom of section 7.

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There are behavior modifications for a game to maybe coordinate with the right hand.

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He may decide whether or not we'll go to the main side of the chapters.

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So again, the select course allows us to approve the program, but we can coordinate that

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big implementation program with those outside agencies.

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So it takes the select board doesn't have to come up with our own big implementation program.

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And we'll control our services.

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The other change, again, aside from cleaning up some of the medical errors,

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there were no waiver fees for the potentially vicious dog category.

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And so in the table, on the second page, you'll see that the waiver fees for the potentially

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vicious dog are not reduced, like they are for all the other, all the other waiver fees

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are lower than the fine.

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So if you want to contest the ticket rate, you can, but if you don't want to contest the

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ticket, you can pay a waiver fee.

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They are the same for potentially vicious dog, there's no reduction in fee there.

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Okay.

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That is the question.

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Oh, yes.

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It should have been the place to enter for ourselves.

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I mean, the place to enter for ourselves,

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Robert, please.

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Thank you, Robert.

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The changes are made for a statute

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or from experience here in general.

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So there, this is the model ordinance that was provided by

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the legal citizens in towns.

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These are two changes we talked about.

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one coordinated the Asian modification programs.

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That's a, this older language said

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that this life board came up with a behavioral modification

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program.

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So I think this is just, you know, saying that we will coordinate

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that with, you know, appropriate authority,

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it's basically, and the way their fees were amended.

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Because I think there's why we want to give the owners

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So potentially vicious dogs, they have computer decayed lesser fees if they wanted to contest their designation as a potentially vicious dog.

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So it sounds like a little of somebody's statute and the second one might experience.

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I wasn't putting it in my statute. I guess I'm trying to.

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Well, the discrimination is from different organizations that said this is how you would call such a thing.

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for your go-up policy to date your town.

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Yep.

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And it sounds like we're taking some language from that.

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Most of the ordinance came from Louis,

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I guess it is times.

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Yeah.

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99% of the language.

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And Robert, this is several different services.

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The Vermont League of Cities and Town is actually

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an organization funded by the town in the state.

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It's not of state statutes where

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of the day created the default by the office and that's what we're using here.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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I'm sure.

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Um, in this ordinance, there is no mention that the dates with the dog floor is issued.

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I just wanted to actually be part of this ordinance, but also we'll be instituting that

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that are not a control officer now that would be issuing tickets instead of a time

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obstacle who is supposed to be in pounding dollars for the war, but that's it. So how is

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that all that change that comes to life and things and very patient ratings that that thing?

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Sure. Yeah, sure. I think we have two questions. One, you know, we're not, there's no

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language in the dog born into regarding the dog born as correct.

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So in that,

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essentially,

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there's several processes.

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So it's like where after the conflict,

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the dog registration is in the frame,

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the dog born is put together to handle it,

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and is given to the, to the console.

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There is language in here for tickets

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for unregistered dogs.

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So, the two things are related, but there are several processes.

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So, are we going to change that, because that routine, because only my kind of hospital condition should give us also.

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He can, yes?

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So, why do we still have an awareness in the town, because it's a town, when we're, we can have,

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and let the judicial system take care of that aspect of it, and get these dogs registered and ready for the occasion.

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Because I think we've talked about this as a board before.

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I don't think that we want to be taking any unnecessary dogs.

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Every underage of dog that we come up with.

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We want to have a friendly approach.

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And see if we can get balanced every compliance versus a taking into defense.

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And how do you compliance with it?

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I don't know.

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I'm looked at the assistance out of the floor.

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I think I don't have the information.

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I can't hold it.

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Can I ask you a question?

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Would you think it worked better?

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Did that score?

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No, no, no, no, no.

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No, no.

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No, but I mean, the moment you know, the more does it does it work.

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We give you a warrant to the elected council,

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and it runs a statutory process, right?

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And they aren't a elected official,

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so we do checking with that periodic leave.

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But again, it's animal control, so you're fine.

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Unregistered dogs, he does have the ability to see them and take it, because they are not registered.

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There's one key point that you may not possible is, if no, if no, if there is, if he is,

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I'll go to the voters.

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Correct.

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I don't know what to do.

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Okay.

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Please tell us your name with them.

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Can you?

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I assume that it's understood that this dog is through this program in passes or is being

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appropriate to be back in time to aid the modification so we have back to the bottom of the

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bottom of the dog's soil mass or is it mass?

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I can't believe you.

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I have a thing that I think it's just for cleaning the part and it's just actually there's

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something.

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Yes.

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It says the animal control source is she would notification that they've successfully kind of managed

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to be healing modification program.

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Okay. Any other questions on it? Okay. I'd like to pass this report amendment to the

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pass. Is it kind of going to control over the bill? It's dated today. I'll make a motion

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that we've had. We'll do hotline, dark control orders dated September 21st. Thank you,

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It should be a document that should be a document that should be a document that should be a document.

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Oh, second motion.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Motion passes.

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Thank you.

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Just for very different next steps on this.

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Next steps are, it gets posted in five consecutive places throughout town.

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There are 60 days for the borders.

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to circulate a petition to,

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essentially, move your nits back.

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And then the full tax of the adopted

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ordained has to be posted in the newspaper

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for the town, not one of the 14 days from today.

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So do we, once we hit that 60 day infertile,

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do we have no circle back and do any of that?

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No, once, if there's no petition,

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then it's effective following the 60 days.

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We're going to, we'll get it.

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We'll get the ordained as posted in five spots.

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And this week, we're going to post it

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full tax in the newspaper.

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Good question, Jim. Okay, moving on to new business.

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The first item

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is the town plan adoption. We're talking about the 2026 town plan. We just finished our fourth public hearing

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and here are no substantial need for substantial changes. I do think you were ready to adopt them.

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Any comments?

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I'm visibly proubier.

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Okay.

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Nope.

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So I'm coming to something.

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Anybody in there?

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I think

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it's going to come with some line.

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I'm looking for a motion.

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Yeah, let's clarify the motion.

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Just for a sanity thing.

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So I believe the last published document

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is the select board hearing draft

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there should have been dated September 21st and I believe that was posted on the website.

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And all that I'm going to change was the date from the August public hearing.

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I mean, I have that document.

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So it's the same document.

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It's exactly undocumented.

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but the correct forage promotion would be that we docked the town plan for Heartland for a lot as it huddlish

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or full of the September 21st or dated September 21st, 2021, 2026.

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I'll make a motion that we docked the town plan for Heartland for a lot dated September 21st,

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226.

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That's the second.

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Thank you, Tom.

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Thank you, Jim.

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All in favor of sale.

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All right.

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That has been one long process.

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Let's check out.

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We should have turned the meeting to go somewhere.

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Okay.

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Moving on to the next item under new business.

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Are errors and emissions approval for the heart and assessor?

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It's a form PDR-4261, don't you want to...

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Yeah, I assume you haven't copied that.

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Yeah, some of you have to.

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In the last year, the state of mind changed

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how telecommunication properties are assessed.

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And so every telecommunication properties,

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which there's about 9 or 10,

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in town, got a new parcel number

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and went through a new formula, and the states were made.

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So this is an adjustment to fix several properties

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of assessments according to new rules by the state,

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as a last year.

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So as a group, that represent there was one parcel

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that was not created to reflect the value of all the telecommunications

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in town, which was just great out, not just at one location, but their wires and stuff like that.

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They self-report that to the state.

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So that was a new parcel created.

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And then the other parcels were officially overvalued on correct advice.

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And these changes will be transmitted to the state grand list.

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Yes.

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In fact, we were notified by the state because virtually all of these companies went to appeal across the state

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because everybody changed everybody's.

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And in the appeals process, this was discovered

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for us, so we got the feedback to the practice.

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Yes, so the specific implementation of that.

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Probably not.

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Yes, so it was how the evaluation was before and after

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and then yet different, what shows us?

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Do we know what the impact on the taxes?

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So three, Martin Crick with him around three made their first initial payment that the partial payment,

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one paid in full and one has yet to make a payment.

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So we will have to issue refunds to those to some of those.

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That's my question, dude.

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So it's a hit to rhythm.

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We know what to hold it to rhythm, right?

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It means you're showing on an expenses.

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Yeah.

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The actual number no, right?

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Why don't we don't have that?

321
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It says a big meeting in the logic and the security of zero dollar line, but this year was good, but it's an impact.

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It is an impact.

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We should understand.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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That's right.

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Okay.

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We do it.

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Our troops, the motion to accept this form of PDR as a chief citizen of accept a crew or a question.

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It's signed by the town clerk.

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So I think you are approving that there is no mission.

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We discussed this the last time I was here for years and missions and I think it's a little bit

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We believe that we'll bet it's just a pro-former thing or not, but because this was an entire class of properties

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and we were talking to our advisors at the state level we wanted to guess if we were nervous and before I make it all out of my guts.

335
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So this is additional. This is the right thing to do. This is the right thing to do.

336
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So we're going to kind of less of you, but it's a change to our grand rest.

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So we don't have to take a dramatic kind of action.

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Does it ensign that it's proving at the time you're not going to think that I would change

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the entire thing as directly by the state.

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That's it.

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It's a moral awareness for the board because there is a impact to that.

342
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Well, we have to sign in.

343
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Because the state dictates the formula of how these companies are done.

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I think we should approve that make a motion that we approve for PDR-4261E areas and emissions

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certificate from a town of part 1 for the 2026 grid and less.

346
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Thank you, Jim.

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I'll expect.

348
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So can we just say dated September 16 because there might be others coming forward?

349
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Yes, there's a little member.

350
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I would like to say that it's a day on it to be decided.

351
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Okay, any discussion?

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All the favors, you know.

353
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Thank

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you, Doug.

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He said that.

356
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He said that.

357
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Okay.

358
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Okay.

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On to the next.

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New business item.

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The item is true rivers, auto twitch,

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regional commission, partner representatives,

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appointment.

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In our packets, we have a letter from fellow resident, Todd Payman, dated September the 16th.

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Not a shout.

366
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It's a very deadly request, Todd.

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Todd, who can you share any comments?

368
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Yes, I'm going to present that you've got a chance to read the letter.

369
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I don't want to waste your time and how long these meetings get free.

370
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So I'm going to do a big picture over to you.

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I've been very actively involved in the reform plan.

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I had great concerns about the lack of public participation in March.

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There was a lot going over the public, which was the last meeting of the land use rules were warned.

374
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In April, the executive director was asked whether the public should be like that.

375
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Again, in the adamantly refused to do so on video.

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I complained to John at the time that there was an open meeting law violation of that both meetings nothing happened.

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Eventually, there was a notice of violation served on the committee and they were forced to acknowledge they broke the law.

378
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At that meeting, they announced there would be a new meeting on September 9th, where we could talk about the language rules.

379
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because it was since March we had no public office to be that meeting was canceled.

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And then the straw that broke the camel's graph that caused me to write this letter to all of you,

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was a emergency executive committee meeting, which was called last Monday on a Friday.

382
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The bylaws of two rivers are very clear. Any meeting, any meeting at all needs to go.

383
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This was a group of commissioners and John was a part of it.

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even though he's not legally on the executive committee they had mistakenly added

385
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and was a seventh member in violation of the violence. So he's been acting as an example.

386
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I just so for the general public, the select board appoints the

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town member that would be a member of the committee. That's what you're referring to.

388
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Yes, and I'm there tonight because I'm asking you at least for now. I realize that this might be a

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to digest and make a decision on soon, but the problem that I have is that our town has

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not simply did any formal comments to the world to two rivers. Any work that John's doing

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on behalf of Parkland and he's not on our land resident and he's not on the member of two rivers

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jurisdiction. He's doing informally with the staff because he has a good relationship with them

393
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which I actually think is part of the problem. Because what's happening right now is there are people

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all over the state looking at two rivers as an outlier saying why are they not involving

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the public why are they taking such a harsh stand on excessive mandatory regulation why

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have they claimed such a broad definition of substantial regional impact that encompasses

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a huge swap of territory of our town where we will lose regulatory control in the event of

398
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a conflict between our policies and theirs. Everyone in this state is talking about it nobody

399
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:10,000
department seems to even know what's happening, and the problem is, is that under

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281, the only opportunity that we have is to show up at a meeting and we get a few minutes

401
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,560
of public comment, and that's the more stuff that fall from the table that we get to try

402
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:19,800
to influence this plan.

403
00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:24,440
And instead of just letting us have those more souls, which don't allow us to accomplish

404
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:30,060
any real change, two rivers has worked hard to exclude us at every turn.

405
00:28:30,060 --> 00:28:36,520
And sadly, I get my representative from Heartland who I've never seen argue for any substance

406
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and change to a plan at a meeting, and I'm not suggesting he's not doing a behind-the-scenes,

407
00:28:40,580 --> 00:28:44,880
but it should be done for the form of Comfort, the chair of the Commission Bill Ennis,

408
00:28:45,220 --> 00:28:49,020
has signed letters critical of his own committee's plan,

409
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has signed, like there are other towns playing a role in his plan,

410
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stepping up and trying to curtail his organization, and we've been signed.

411
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And instead, John has been very actively and publicly involved in trying to navigate the political

412
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fallout from the exclusion of the public.

413
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And I want my representative trying to facilitate public involvement, not trying to discourage

414
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it.

415
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When there's public comment at these meetings, the normal practice of this commission, which

416
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I praise, is that Bill Evans responds and answers the questions and there's back and forth.

417
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,260
When John is there, he's constantly reminding them that it's public comment, we don't have

418
00:29:28,260 --> 00:29:32,320
respond to what they're saying, rendering the participation not very meaningful.

419
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,540
Basically, John didn't do anything to correct the opening meeting law violation when

420
00:29:37,540 --> 00:29:39,180
in the current was brought to his attention.

421
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John, when there was a discussion where they're admitting they broke the law and it's the first

422
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meetings since they broke the law, they start the meeting and for the first time, they shut

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the video off.

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There's 45 members of the public trying to see what's happening at this meeting where they

425
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,740
just broke the law and Peter Gregory is insisting on keeping the video off.

426
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and a commissioner is troubled by it.

427
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,140
And raises the question of whether we should put it back on, because there are people texting her, like, hey, I can't see who's speaking.

428
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,840
And in the middle of that discussion, John interrupted any move to go into executive session immediately.

429
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:16,060
In order to rescue him from the discussion I asked John about, I said it was unforgivable to the space.

430
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:22,060
I like John real laughing in here with Phil this morning. I had no problem with him as a human being or as a town manager.

431
00:30:22,060 --> 00:30:28,700
but he is contributing to the problematic nature in which this body behaves.

432
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:33,000
Imagine, Phil, if you notice the meaning for the select board and left-clied off.

433
00:30:33,300 --> 00:30:34,940
That's what happens last week.

434
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,640
There were members of the commission, which did not receive notice of an emergency meeting,

435
00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:41,200
for the executive committee.

436
00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:45,740
And when those commissioners asked to go into executive sessions,

437
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so they could find out what the body was going to discuss, they were excluded.

438
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:55,700
But John was let in. And that's because John was a wring leader in organizing that executive committee.

439
00:30:57,100 --> 00:31:03,440
Well, I mean, but I know for a fact that Bill didn't call that meeting because I talked to him the night that it happened.

440
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,700
And Bill and John had been the duo dealing with this. But fine, John can deny that if he wants.

441
00:31:08,180 --> 00:31:09,320
Well, I'm sure he played a principle.

442
00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:12,900
Yeah, I'll try to leave first now.

443
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:20,120
He has no trust me. I like John. There's no issue I have with John in his job here as a human being. I like it.

444
00:31:20,460 --> 00:31:25,880
Okay, but what I'm saying is we aren't getting the kind of representation the other towns are getting.

445
00:31:26,260 --> 00:31:31,900
They're getting documented comments, which allows them to take party status before the word to object to the planet.

446
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,320
We missed that. We didn't even spend any comments.

447
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:40,660
So revolting his appointment right now is not going to jeopardize Parkland's representation at two rivers.

448
00:31:40,660 --> 00:31:45,340
you already lost the opportunity to play a role in the world. The only thing it's going

449
00:31:45,340 --> 00:31:49,440
to do is pull a lot of these political machinations of the executive committee, which

450
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:55,080
is not even lawfully on, that is dealing with the fallout from numerous efforts to exclude

451
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the public from being there. And so what I'm not, I don't want to have it with free law, but

452
00:32:01,820 --> 00:32:08,700
I feel it's really important, like I have given hundreds of hours of my time, hundreds to try

453
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:14,820
influence this plan and improve it. And I have not been allowed an opportunity to speak in front

454
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of the full board at the land use schools for months. And the one chance that we were supposed to have

455
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where we were promised it was on September 9th and the meeting was canceled and no public notice was given.

456
00:32:25,460 --> 00:32:31,360
And they have all our emails because we submitted comments. And the only way you could find out is we just

457
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:37,720
happen to check the website. There is a problem happening there and John is managing the fallout.

458
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,200
He is not urging to have greater public participation.

459
00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:43,540
You need someone to talk about the plan.

460
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,740
I'm just asking anyone, if you're the alternate,

461
00:32:47,420 --> 00:32:50,760
whoever that is, I would be happy to spend as much time

462
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,420
as anybody wants to talk about my concerns with the plan.

463
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,300
So if you agree with any of them and you don't have to,

464
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you can convey those to two rivers.

465
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,500
But there's absolutely no need for John to be involved

466
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in the next few months with this.

467
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,420
We're not even submitted anything.

468
00:33:06,420 --> 00:33:10,860
If someone tried to figure out Hartland's position on the plan, right, and he couldn't even find him.

469
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Because there is a point.

470
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:20,440
And so, like, just take him off, you can always put him back on in four months after you think about this more and consider it.

471
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I'm not asking for him to be revoked permanently.

472
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:28,120
But I want him out of this process right now because there's a lot happening in the next few months.

473
00:33:28,420 --> 00:33:34,320
There's a meeting on the 30th, and it's staff recommendations, which are numerous because of the public

474
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,280
and the word, the agency of agriculture, we all precise the plan.

475
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,520
If you went to any of the four formal hearing meetings, you would see that not a single person

476
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:51,880
showed up and supported this plan. It has been heavily criticized and I just want, if we're only going

477
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to have that one meeting where staff is going to be running the show, we're not going to have any

478
00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:04,300
time as members of the public to even comment or propose anything because they just killed the

479
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:09,220
Absolutely observed John doing and these meetings is discouraging them from interacting with us.

480
00:34:09,420 --> 00:34:11,020
You don't have to answer that.

481
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This is the public comment section.

482
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,080
You don't have to talk right now.

483
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:23,140
We are entitled to understate law, meaningful public participation, which isn't much, but they're still working not to get into us.

484
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,760
Canceling meetings, turning off video, telling people not to answer.

485
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:50,860
And he's involved in all, and I don't think that's a program, I think that as a staff member of a public body, which he is right here, I think his identification with this process, as a former regional planning commission employee, is with the staff, and our only hope as the public, there's no democracy over there, I don't vote for the board members, you pick them.

486
00:34:50,860 --> 00:34:56,860
This is your statutory heart of victim. There is no Democratic process for this plan. My sole

487
00:34:56,860 --> 00:35:03,940
access to it is through John. And John's perspective is that of stats. And he's in there trying

488
00:35:03,940 --> 00:35:09,180
to help them navigate the mistakes they're making. And I want somebody who's in there trying to

489
00:35:09,180 --> 00:35:14,460
oversee them. That's our only way to oversee staff is through these people. And he's not aligned

490
00:35:14,460 --> 00:35:20,180
with the public. He's not aligned with me the most active heart one person there trying to get access

491
00:35:20,180 --> 00:35:21,740
to these meetings.

492
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:24,080
Yeah.

493
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,960
If you have any questions I'm happy to do it.

494
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,380
I realize that this is coming out of that field.

495
00:35:30,420 --> 00:35:33,080
I don't think you guys have been paying that much attention to the plan.

496
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,160
I wish there was more attention but you got lots on your plate and I respect that.

497
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:42,840
But I'm asking you for the smallest possible thing I can ask you,

498
00:35:43,140 --> 00:35:44,720
which is revoked as a point in tonight.

499
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:47,360
Look at the issue for a few months.

500
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,400
If you think I'm wrong, put them back on there, if you think I'm right, you leave them off.

501
00:35:52,980 --> 00:35:56,280
But what's happening over the next few months, the whole state is watching.

502
00:35:56,700 --> 00:36:01,700
I can tell you that the governor's office, the Lieutenant Governor's office, members of the legislature,

503
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:04,100
it is an embarrassing situation.

504
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:11,820
And I don't see anything coming out of heart and representation to do anything about it, quite the opposite.

505
00:36:11,820 --> 00:36:15,940
Thank you for your comments.

506
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,680
Sorry, the discussion was done.

507
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,060
Another one was clear.

508
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,120
I think it was clear.

509
00:36:25,060 --> 00:36:25,400
Okay.

510
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,040
Let's move on to the next item.

511
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,580
Can I just ask one question?

512
00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:35,380
Is there any other meeting before 9.30?

513
00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:36,900
I'm sorry, Tony.

514
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,340
Is there another meeting of you all between now?

515
00:36:39,340 --> 00:36:39,740
at ten percent.

516
00:36:40,580 --> 00:36:42,460
Oh, literally at my thirty-two.

517
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:42,900
No.

518
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:43,740
I thought...

519
00:36:43,740 --> 00:36:44,860
Well, it's not a great idea.

520
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,200
You're going to have to opportunity to take action again, before it's time to

521
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,060
set the timer.

522
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:49,880
Yes.

523
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,860
No, no, no, no, no, additional meetings, September.

524
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,320
October 5th after the middle next.

525
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:55,460
Such an eye-ascent.

526
00:36:56,140 --> 00:36:56,980
Yeah, you're not taking action.

527
00:36:57,060 --> 00:36:57,800
It's not going to happen.

528
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,180
You're going to have to do it again.

529
00:36:59,180 --> 00:36:59,380
And I can.

530
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:00,120
Who...

531
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,120
I can tell you personally that...

532
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,000
When you're at a meeting...

533
00:37:04,580 --> 00:37:07,340
Have something arisen that's been discussed at a meeting.

534
00:37:07,340 --> 00:37:22,720
We generally don't make a snap-to-sage in that way, because we are limited to the amount of time that we can actually speak to each other because a lot of people have more than how many of them are speaking to each other.

535
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:29,980
Three, two, like I have to talk to Jim and I have to talk to Tom and I don't know how to talk.

536
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,100
It takes, it takes time.

537
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:37,680
I saw there is not another meeting between now and that day.

538
00:37:38,980 --> 00:37:46,420
Another step, maybe, we would have to have an emergency meeting or more of that.

539
00:37:47,020 --> 00:37:47,800
Okay, thank you.

540
00:37:51,220 --> 00:37:57,000
I'd like to table the children policy review at this point.

541
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,440
We're still in a pretty full-general approach.

542
00:38:01,340 --> 00:38:03,540
Both companies have to, or need a motion to take a look.

543
00:38:03,620 --> 00:38:05,260
We do.

544
00:38:07,820 --> 00:38:11,200
Are you trying to follow federal guidelines on this issue?

545
00:38:12,340 --> 00:38:16,800
The only change in the procurement policy is in this iteration of it.

546
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,860
This moving it from $5,000 for this time manager to spend it outside for approval.

547
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,880
Moving that number up because we can't get,

548
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,080
I mean, you can't move the graphs for five, I mean, joking, but it's not enough.

549
00:38:30,820 --> 00:38:33,680
We're, according to the old procurement policy, we need to go out to bid for anything

550
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:40,700
over $5,000, which can slow the process down and add unnecessary work.

551
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:47,400
We, just so you know, for under the federal guidelines, it's $10,000, it's the thing,

552
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,320
but all you need to do is make three phone calls, so you don't have to do an RFP.

553
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,880
you can call different people.

554
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,180
So if you want to look at it, that's quite a bit for you.

555
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,880
So I think there's more to it than we just

556
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,300
say, we're going to make the change.

557
00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:04,780
I think we have to talk through it.

558
00:39:05,260 --> 00:39:08,360
OK, we're going to be very happy to look at it.

559
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,400
We'll change what we're going to look at.

560
00:39:10,940 --> 00:39:13,240
I mean, it's not a crisis at all.

561
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:13,900
It's not a crisis at all.

562
00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:16,920
So if you're going to do an outbreak, if you want to postpone

563
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,200
an elderly discussion, I'll make the most

564
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,180
we put this at the side of all the table and the table and the table and the table and the

565
00:39:23,180 --> 00:39:28,020
table and the table and the table. How about a few to me? How about a few to me? How about a few to

566
00:39:28,020 --> 00:39:32,260
me, do you know? Well, could I not have a lot of tools to order if you put some on the table

567
00:39:32,260 --> 00:39:37,040
and there's not a lot of up at the next regular meeting, it dies. Oh, okay.

568
00:39:52,740 --> 00:39:54,140
Okay, we have

569
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:09,160
two items regarding the Quitchie Road tonight, but first is the necessary, we need to have the resolution to authorize obtaining the bond for repairs of the Quitchie Road.

570
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,800
road, and the second is for calling a special town meeting.

571
00:40:15,220 --> 00:40:20,560
Let me take a moment to provide some background.

572
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:25,900
Over a series of many meetings, and some of them are going to be back

573
00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:31,640
over the year, the board has been located at the results of an

574
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,360
engineering study that we have done like pathways engineering.

575
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:42,860
So we asked them to refresh that engineering study this past spring.

576
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:53,600
And for the last four or five meetings, we've been looking at options for how to address

577
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,140
the quitchie road.

578
00:40:57,550 --> 00:41:00,760
The cost of the fix is staggered $7.1 million.

579
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:18,460
We don't have that money and we looked at an option where we would internally try to raise the highway fund.

580
00:41:20,940 --> 00:41:28,260
We wouldn't have gotten down for 12 or 15 years and we have serious issues with sections of the road.

581
00:41:28,260 --> 00:41:42,340
We explored, following a 30-year bond for $7.1 billion dollars, and that the fix is what

582
00:41:42,340 --> 00:41:46,520
the long expire, or at least still would be paying off the 30-year bond.

583
00:41:48,660 --> 00:42:00,320
So we explored a bank loan, and we also explored a helping with the bond in agencies.

584
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,280
The state of the month, the bond bank.

585
00:42:04,380 --> 00:42:04,460
Okay.

586
00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:05,580
Thank you.

587
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:12,760
So what we're talking about tonight is not the select one.

588
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:20,540
A very important item is to select for it does not have the authorization to go out for a moment.

589
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:36,340
What we're talking about tonight is a vote to put on the November election ballot of both for the town to approve or disapprove that bond.

590
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:46,480
And the hope would be that we can get the approval and part of what we are doing with

591
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:56,500
the preliminary steps to assure that the Vermont Bonbank to assure them that the town

592
00:42:56,500 --> 00:43:03,140
has physically has their business in order, so we have to sort of make sure our credit

593
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:16,320
So I think that's a high level and John, what do I, no, I think you're actually, yeah, these are two actions that are needed to take place tonight.

594
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,560
So we can say I'm scheduled to for the bond vote to come side in November, general election.

595
00:43:23,380 --> 00:43:25,900
I'd be happy to open it up to the questions.

596
00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:32,440
I quit running a planet because I thought I had seen in the notes that you were requesting

597
00:43:33,180 --> 00:43:42,000
that when it's a bond application to be $3 million each to the project, it's $1.4, $7.4,

598
00:43:43,940 --> 00:43:51,030
the answer to that. But they might be mistaken. I think the idea in

599
00:43:53,330 --> 00:43:59,010
some cash that we have

600
00:43:59,010 --> 00:44:05,830
right. And next year, if everything goes well, we'll knock off all the worst sections of

601
00:44:05,830 --> 00:44:10,430
the most dangerous sections, and we'll do some of the next level down the most moderately

602
00:44:10,430 --> 00:44:17,990
damage sections. So then, you know, we're in a position that over a time, you know, we can accumulate

603
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:22,930
some more cash and then tackle another chunk of the project. So we'll be a one-year project,

604
00:44:22,930 --> 00:44:25,490
but it'll be, you know, a free, boy or project.

605
00:44:28,170 --> 00:44:43,200
The other sort of, I'm trying to think of the clever phrase, but the other issue, none of us know the answer to, but we're all hoping to hear our answers soon, is the education property types.

606
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,420
In my comment earlier in the meeting,

607
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:54,130
what is at 81, 82 percent of our tax is the school tax.

608
00:44:55,170 --> 00:44:59,970
None of us are against the school, but the funding...

609
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:18,220
That has to change and we're hoping that it will change. And we have a timeline where you praise all in 2030. So those two items should bring us some tax relief is what we're hoping.

610
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:29,140
But for all of your question, it's a good one, because once we have the bond and once

611
00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:34,620
we have the money, then we have an instrument for us as four categories of the partner

612
00:45:34,620 --> 00:45:40,700
picture of the engineers, the employees, the civic staff, the city, what the subsurface

613
00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:54,060
was, and we know, essentially, rough, rough costs for each of those bad, semi-bad, and there's

614
00:45:54,060 --> 00:45:57,860
only a little bit of good, good. There's more than a little bit of edgy.

615
00:46:00,020 --> 00:46:00,880
I'll just sit

616
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:08,900
quick story, which, at the end of the year, have been living here for a while. I used a travel

617
00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:15,380
from Rose Road, El Trait from Road, and went north of the Harbour Pritchie Road, to head toward

618
00:46:15,380 --> 00:46:24,360
Hanoville. I worked at Dartmouth College for 35 years. One morning, I got down to the

619
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:31,000
Harbour Pritchie Road, and there were starting the grave, the road between Trait from the Clay Hill.

620
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:46,380
And when I came home, it was paved, and that is what we were paying for right now, that there's no sub-structure whatsoever under the road.

621
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:58,520
And we've done the right thing in town, but we've always been a little too thrifty and not really been going to address some of those issues.

622
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:04,540
Well, let's come home and we really need to fix it correctly this time, including the

623
00:47:04,540 --> 00:47:08,320
substructure, which is end-drainage, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is,

624
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:09,660
we're doing it.

625
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:18,700
The other issue we're confronted with, so we had an initial study done by Pathways in 2024.

626
00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:19,240
24.

627
00:47:19,660 --> 00:47:20,320
24.

628
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:28,060
And they gave us a private estimate to fix the row of, remember, six, six, one, one,

629
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:36,780
Two years later, we're up to $7 million dollars, so for every year we need to lay, trying to fix this

630
00:47:36,780 --> 00:47:42,200
road to cost, keep escalating, but it's not going to get any cheaper,

631
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:51,500
and this has been an issue for 20 years with

632
00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:57,600
blackboards and you know it's it's just it's getting close to where someone is going to

633
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:05,000
get hurt. During the during the initial assessment they did thawering with other road and

634
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:12,220
they found 18 inches of paper. So all we kept doing is whether it's dipped where you can see

635
00:48:12,220 --> 00:48:18,140
the rocks in the road instead of repairing it's could the ruts is due to the as Jim said

636
00:48:18,140 --> 00:48:26,480
that base is they just paid over it and you know it's it's it's it's it's it's it's not it's not a

637
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:34,680
remedy it's just a bandaid so we we thought and thankfully thought we just have to go to the

638
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:43,440
voters now and and do this we have to do this we wish we somehow you know somebody else would take over

639
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:49,480
I know over the weekend there's a lot of there's a number of people asking if the state of

640
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:55,400
Ramakwatek over the road, if people may be following things, the state of Ramak, agency

641
00:48:55,400 --> 00:49:01,720
and transportation is $50 million in the fold themselves, they're laying off personnel, you know,

642
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:06,700
this just isn't, they're not going to take it, they wouldn't take it even if they had a lot of money.

643
00:49:06,700 --> 00:49:13,480
You know, Senator White spoke when she spoke to a separate town meeting in this past year.

644
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:14,760
It said the same thing.

645
00:49:14,940 --> 00:49:18,940
You know, it was that they don't have enough money to fix the failing purchase on the

646
00:49:18,940 --> 00:49:20,840
interstate and so on.

647
00:49:21,580 --> 00:49:22,740
I brought the hold on one moment.

648
00:49:22,980 --> 00:49:34,900
I want to make sure that part of what the passing tonight will be calling for a town meeting

649
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:46,280
on October the same. That will be warned, and that will be a presentation, just a set of

650
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,920
those seated opinions that I just gave you in the history of where we've been. We'll

651
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:57,120
go through what we did. We'll talk about the options we explored and how we arrived at this

652
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:58,340
particular option.

653
00:49:58,340 --> 00:50:03,740
Okay, and we'll make sure that the reports that were done by Pathway through, I just checked

654
00:50:03,740 --> 00:50:04,620
they're not online.

655
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:11,360
You know, it's, it's very, it's, there was online, it's very big, but we can probably

656
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,240
probably find a way to, you know, so put it up there.

657
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:16,760
We want to see what the reports are in there, right?

658
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:25,720
Okay, one real quick question, and this other one gave cover to me, but how much of this

659
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:34,200
It is a pretty cold words and dishes for the laws that came out after my reading for safety.

660
00:50:36,860 --> 00:50:39,580
You know, is that a portion of this?

661
00:50:40,260 --> 00:50:41,980
Is it a portion of the 7.4 million?

662
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:42,400
Yes.

663
00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:48,780
It is a nominal amount of the 7.4 million.

664
00:50:50,300 --> 00:50:54,580
If I make one quick comment, I don't envy you guys with this.

665
00:50:54,580 --> 00:51:06,420
You know, it's time to write, I mean we've had previous time managers that were fructy and, you know, years later it's come back and it's a problem, you know, what it comes to the state part of it.

666
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:16,580
So, not jealous of what you guys are at, and the message you're about to deliver, however one thing that I haven't internet about, I know you guys are trying to be crushed on it.

667
00:51:16,580 --> 00:51:26,680
cautious about what the money the town is spending, but I pray God that the other entities in

668
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:27,880
the town, the Brexit,

669
00:51:30,180 --> 00:51:34,140
the buildings, the library, don't get short-change or trying to

670
00:51:34,140 --> 00:51:40,620
level fund this, because the detriment of the other groups in this town. And I understand the

671
00:51:40,620 --> 00:51:47,920
you know, you grow up excellent. Yeah. Yeah. That's been in any sort of mix. Yeah.

672
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,720
Maybe I have some work to get done in some of these companies. We'll talk about that. Yeah.

673
00:51:52,140 --> 00:51:59,260
And we don't want to do that. Yeah. And we're not going to be touching the reserve funds for hybrid trucks and for fire engines.

674
00:51:59,660 --> 00:52:02,000
So those have to stay as well.

675
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:02,580
important.

676
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,440
I'll put your touch on your touch on your ability and we're real dilemma.

677
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,060
And again, I'm not jealous.

678
00:52:09,620 --> 00:52:09,740
Yeah.

679
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:15,780
But I think our current trend is not to cut, but it's also spin-responsible.

680
00:52:16,780 --> 00:52:22,160
So I think even in this building, we have a less staff here this year than we had

681
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:23,680
a year ago, even two years ago.

682
00:52:24,540 --> 00:52:29,340
So it's matter of making sure that we're right-sized, spinning efficiently.

683
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,980
And making sure that we have money in the bank for the emergencies, right, and to go in my parents.

684
00:52:37,340 --> 00:52:37,780
Okay.

685
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,460
Are there any questions on one?

686
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:40,700
There's a number of questions on that.

687
00:52:40,820 --> 00:52:42,000
Do I have to handle the list of the reports?

688
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:42,680
Yes, sure.

689
00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:43,200
Got it.

690
00:52:43,420 --> 00:52:44,720
Just a couple of comments.

691
00:52:46,100 --> 00:52:47,760
Just for the first round of round?

692
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:48,780
Yes, thank you.

693
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:55,060
The bond you refer to, what is the interest of that bond?

694
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,320
More to, right now it's just about 5%.

695
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,540
You know, thanks.

696
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:03,520
I don't know.

697
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,440
I mean, bodies have drawn up dramatically.

698
00:53:05,740 --> 00:53:07,920
Since we took off the bonds of the three corners of the section.

699
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,700
And they do, through the course of bond, they generally do rebates.

700
00:53:12,580 --> 00:53:14,760
So they discount it.

701
00:53:14,780 --> 00:53:17,600
It's not the interest rate, but you'll get a discount.

702
00:53:19,220 --> 00:53:27,140
So if you're referring back to your story of the road, maybe one of the road

703
00:53:27,140 --> 00:53:29,340
to be a great thing to come back and it's vague.

704
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,440
I remember that I thought it was 30 years ago.

705
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:38,280
I've never been any consideration into simply returning

706
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,280
a creature road from gravel road,

707
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,520
come down all the through traffic,

708
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,140
and a lot of it's very life speed traffic.

709
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,040
And it grows the drainage issues on the cold.

710
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,860
So, about a gravel road, it's got to be less than something

711
00:53:52,860 --> 00:53:53,300
than it does.

712
00:53:53,980 --> 00:53:56,500
So, there are a number of options

713
00:53:56,500 --> 00:54:03,380
we're considered, that being one of them, and at the town meeting on October 5th, we will

714
00:54:03,380 --> 00:54:05,440
kind of toss on all of the options that we're considered.

715
00:54:07,540 --> 00:54:19,000
You know, I've never peeped with, I'll be watching a Monday night football event or something,

716
00:54:19,420 --> 00:54:25,320
and it would be an ad for, I should be careful here, cheap charity or out of here or something.

717
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:35,220
And the whole family is kind of going up to kill the jarrel in their Jeep and they make it and pull out and have a blissful camping episode.

718
00:54:35,940 --> 00:54:40,360
I think part of why I would not want to go to dirt.

719
00:54:40,500 --> 00:54:44,080
I don't think people are going to slow down that aren't going to slow down.

720
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:51,380
They're so insulated by modern cars that they think they can come off the other state.

721
00:54:51,380 --> 00:55:13,360
and go a little bit slower at 55, and we say, again, it's off topic, but I'm just, we see speeds, and I was happy on the way down to have a robust take, please, but past me, I quickly looked at my speed, and thank goodness, who was, you know, 48, never, never, never.

722
00:55:14,060 --> 00:55:17,620
Just 20 years you've been to the challenges of that road.

723
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,900
As a result of Stephen.

724
00:55:24,220 --> 00:55:26,280
I certainly aware of the one.

725
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:28,800
And I still look at the tree where that person hit.

726
00:55:29,940 --> 00:55:30,800
I'm not putting you down.

727
00:55:31,820 --> 00:55:32,100
Okay.

728
00:55:32,820 --> 00:55:33,360
Thank you.

729
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:35,200
I like.

730
00:55:35,620 --> 00:55:35,980
Online.

731
00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:37,280
There are a number of questions.

732
00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:39,720
Let's go.

733
00:55:43,020 --> 00:55:49,360
So, first question, please explain the plan if the bond is not passed.

734
00:55:52,500 --> 00:56:03,670
We'll scramble and have to go back to one of the other options, but at this point, I think we don't know what the plan is.

735
00:56:03,790 --> 00:56:07,070
It's quite possible that we have to delay earlier.

736
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:10,490
The cost goes up and we take it to the top and it makes it hard.

737
00:56:11,790 --> 00:56:21,850
The reason we're trying to get to the November General Election is to give us time if the bond is not passed to revisit the budget that would be in the middle of being put together.

738
00:56:25,410 --> 00:56:27,850
Mark and Edward call us up my head.

739
00:56:28,770 --> 00:56:31,950
The tax impact if the bond passes for $100,000.

740
00:56:31,950 --> 00:56:32,910
20,000.

741
00:56:32,910 --> 00:56:37,810
And I think it was $42.00 per 100,000,000.

742
00:56:37,810 --> 00:56:41,550
Well, I don't have the number in front of us, but we just talked about the last meeting,

743
00:56:41,890 --> 00:56:44,670
and we can challenge your, is it in that?

744
00:56:45,790 --> 00:56:50,830
Well, let's get us, let's talk about the first on 50 years.

745
00:56:50,830 --> 00:57:01,310
that annual 95, 95 dollars and 10 cents per $100,000 of assessed value on the proposed 28 budget.

746
00:57:06,140 --> 00:57:11,240
The next question, have we modeled the alternatives to doing the entire construction project?

747
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:16,980
Once, again, we will talk about this at the actualwefith.townmeeting.

748
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,840
What specific data do we have that justifies doing this now?

749
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:28,600
I think that we have an engineering report that shows that the road is in severe condition and

750
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,940
continuing to deteriorate, we did fast in year.

751
00:57:33,930 --> 00:57:38,350
This is a speed issue or a crash accident issue.

752
00:57:40,190 --> 00:57:42,050
There's a public safety concern.

753
00:57:43,630 --> 00:57:43,790
Okay.

754
00:57:43,950 --> 00:57:44,590
That's it.

755
00:57:57,930 --> 00:57:58,490
Yes.

756
00:57:58,890 --> 00:57:59,810
It is louder

757
00:58:07,740 --> 00:58:12,840
section, I mean it just seems like it's a game, you see how fast people can go.

758
00:58:12,940 --> 00:58:14,100
I'd love to see it during the end.

759
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:20,920
I know that this is really made sense in the scheme of things, but I write my bicycle only on their roads,

760
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:22,880
because they're the safest roads in town.

761
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:32,640
We have to get to them, but unfortunately the roof floor and some of the other roads are more deadly than ever.

762
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,680
And there's no room for a bicycle, there's no room for a runner.

763
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:47,120
My wife has just run off the road, on which you go, just don't yell here, just past our house this weekend by somebody with a trailer that delivered we did not head over for her.

764
00:58:49,390 --> 00:58:57,630
Speed in town is absolutely ridiculous and I'm fearing that having that road and making it better is only going to supercharge that.

765
00:58:57,790 --> 00:58:59,050
Right, so that was key to that.

766
00:58:59,050 --> 00:59:01,350
I can't resist everywhere in town.

767
00:59:01,590 --> 00:59:02,230
I cannot.

768
00:59:03,650 --> 00:59:06,350
So, I'll just say it's two things, right?

769
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:08,530
You know, when we do the options,

770
00:59:09,410 --> 00:59:11,530
you might change your mind about bringing it back to dirt,

771
00:59:11,630 --> 00:59:12,990
and see how expensive that is.

772
00:59:13,450 --> 00:59:15,090
And those are making the situation, right?

773
00:59:15,330 --> 00:59:17,050
So, really, two separate issues.

774
00:59:17,110 --> 00:59:20,110
One is public safety, so that we have a road

775
00:59:20,110 --> 00:59:22,670
where people are not going to get hurt if they're being responsible.

776
00:59:23,350 --> 00:59:25,150
The second is an enforcement issue,

777
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:29,190
which we have, you know, the ability to put a sheriff on that road

778
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:33,270
Right, so it's the product, a lot of five of you need a different thing and that right now.

779
00:59:33,490 --> 00:59:34,450
Yeah, we've got a lot to do.

780
00:59:34,770 --> 00:59:36,950
Or a time manager can, you know,

781
00:59:37,070 --> 00:59:42,730
Or also, there's some of the lives on it dirt road and it happens to be sort of a straight away.

782
00:59:43,350 --> 00:59:44,710
I go wild, that helps out.

783
00:59:44,830 --> 00:59:46,110
People go.

784
00:59:46,590 --> 00:59:50,130
I mean, they're going 40 miles an hour by my house.

785
00:59:50,290 --> 00:59:52,070
I already beat cows.

786
00:59:52,370 --> 00:59:55,910
We have come bringing them back and forth across the road all the time.

787
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:59,790
It's just the couple. I will now we go.

788
01:00:02,500 --> 01:00:10,940
Speed is, as Phil said, card is so well constructed and so on. People just drive fast. It was in a hurry.

789
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,260
So I would just try to keep it two separate. Let's make the roads safe.

790
01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:19,200
Yeah, and let's do something else.

791
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:40,440
We have, you know, as you know, I'm not an active cyclist right now, I hope to be back in that, and I don't feel it safe on the Quitchie Road, cycling any longer, but also the Quitchie Road, we just, I don't know how we would widen that.

792
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:45,780
who's just forgetting and protecting people's property and when you get just North

793
01:00:45,780 --> 01:00:51,700
of the South of Webster and you know it's just bad rock.

794
01:00:52,180 --> 01:00:56,220
I'm not necessarily just, I'm not necessarily a poor white man, but we cannot, we're just

795
01:00:56,220 --> 01:00:57,200
talking about it.

796
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,020
If you're just getting a little slower, they would be white.

797
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:00,580
It would be white.

798
01:01:00,580 --> 01:01:01,100
It would be white.

799
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:02,920
It would be white.

800
01:01:03,380 --> 01:01:04,260
It would be white.

801
01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:05,860
I don't know where it's going to be.

802
01:01:05,860 --> 01:01:08,300
I'm going to trust on the speed issues that are everywhere.

803
01:01:08,780 --> 01:01:12,860
I'm going to introduce you to the short discussion on this,

804
01:01:12,980 --> 01:01:14,160
to something I told you about.

805
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,260
I hope to encourage people from the 1960s.

806
01:01:17,580 --> 01:01:18,620
They may only go.

807
01:01:19,660 --> 01:01:21,920
But I think that you have to put that out there.

808
01:01:22,060 --> 01:01:24,540
This is now the short part of your board of 25.

809
01:01:25,740 --> 01:01:28,260
And have at least,

810
01:01:30,420 --> 01:01:33,600
and hopefully, usually it's the worst at certain times of day.

811
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:40,660
And the way we work, and we won't work, I mean, there's a new economy, so people are in

812
01:01:40,660 --> 01:01:41,440
right now.

813
01:01:42,060 --> 01:01:47,360
Certainly, yeah, specific times that you ask me to be pleased to have the share of people.

814
01:01:48,500 --> 01:01:53,320
The panel disparage, at least a few of the individuals, but it's a share.

815
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,140
Yeah, and I think that's going to be a future agenda.

816
01:01:56,540 --> 01:01:56,940
That is one.

817
01:01:57,660 --> 01:01:58,160
There's a few of them.

818
01:01:58,300 --> 01:01:58,780
It's enforcement.

819
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,600
There's two comments online that I'll just answer a quick.

820
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:12,520
Heather Ben Traffich says it's a show where the traffic is originating the origin of the traffic is somewhat

821
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:12,880
irrelevant.

822
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,060
We have a public day at the issue on a town of the road.

823
01:02:16,420 --> 01:02:18,100
Why is it increasing chipping in?

824
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,940
We're talking about the part in the PC road that exists in part in the domain.

825
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:32,660
We have a contract with the state please end with the ridiculous kind of sheriff's office.

826
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:39,080
I've seen the sheriff at the very least, but I've not seen the state police.

827
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,040
Yeah, we have two.

828
01:02:41,140 --> 01:02:41,240
We have two.

829
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,820
If not three state police have to live in town.

830
01:02:46,340 --> 01:02:53,240
And I think one was going home when I was coming down, you know, but it would be correct.

831
01:02:54,180 --> 01:02:56,360
The state police covered just hard to do.

832
01:02:57,260 --> 01:02:57,880
I'm sure.

833
01:02:58,380 --> 01:02:59,440
In the town hospital.

834
01:02:59,940 --> 01:03:01,100
Why is he in your mouth?

835
01:03:01,420 --> 01:03:01,820
Okay.

836
01:03:01,820 --> 01:03:01,920
Sorry.

837
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:02,760
We do have the account.

838
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,640
We have three contracts on birth and agencies.

839
01:03:06,660 --> 01:03:06,680
Okay.

840
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,260
Then I think let's move on.

841
01:03:08,260 --> 01:03:14,480
for motion. Well, let's talk first about the approval morning to call the special

842
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:22,600
town meeting on November 5th. There's two separate issues. There's two separate

843
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,140
issues. There's two separate actions here. Do you have to sign the necessity resolution?

844
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:35,320
I'm sorry. That's actually one. Let's do a motion. I make a motion that we approve

845
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:41,340
in sign of necessity, resolution for the select board for the town,

846
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:46,820
our hunt to do a roadbath, or the Quigier Road for the Quigier Road.

847
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,120
I'm so excited to hear you.

848
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:49,920
All separate.

849
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:53,300
All the favors here.

850
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:54,700
All right.

851
01:03:54,860 --> 01:03:55,000
All right.

852
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:55,080
All right.

853
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:56,040
All right.

854
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:56,240
All right.

855
01:03:56,860 --> 01:03:57,600
All right.

856
01:04:06,340 --> 01:04:12,320
So there's just a, just like video around the first of the year every year this is the warning for this special town meeting.

857
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:20,160
So the article, which I can read if you would like to fill, which would be up for vote.

858
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:25,500
the town of Hartland be authorized to issue general obligation bonds in an amount not to exceed

859
01:04:25,500 --> 01:04:31,320
$3 million for the purpose of making repairs, upgrades, and improvements to the town's highway,

860
01:04:31,500 --> 01:04:37,600
known and identified as squeegee road, TH2, such repairs, upgrades, and improvements currently

861
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:42,240
estimated to cost $7,444,725.

862
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:48,380
And again, the information, that's legal. That is the legal

863
01:04:48,380 --> 01:04:50,660
language that for the warning.

864
01:04:50,740 --> 01:04:52,540
Okay, so we've got a proof line.

865
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:54,040
By our bond attorney.

866
01:04:54,100 --> 01:04:55,160
By our bond attorney.

867
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:56,180
Okay.

868
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:01,580
And again, the informational meeting will be held on October 5th, which is the first

869
01:05:01,580 --> 01:05:06,380
money in October at 5.30, and we'll do it upstairs, just like we do for

870
01:05:06,380 --> 01:05:06,920
time meeting.

871
01:05:10,130 --> 01:05:14,890
There's a question, can the meeting be later, so people working can go like 6 p.m.

872
01:05:15,210 --> 01:05:18,370
I think the meeting would start.

873
01:05:18,370 --> 01:05:25,590
The two reasons that I chose it to start at 5.30, one, that's what time the board normally meets,

874
01:05:25,590 --> 01:05:30,150
so it's a routine, people are aware that meetings begin at 5.30 in town.

875
01:05:30,650 --> 01:05:33,090
So it's not a separate meeting, it's just part of it.

876
01:05:33,370 --> 01:05:36,230
No, this is a separate meeting, it's just a fully separate meeting.

877
01:05:36,830 --> 01:05:42,650
And two, given the project, I anticipate it being a longer meeting.

878
01:05:42,990 --> 01:05:47,750
So by starting half-hour earlier, it gives us time to not push into the nine o'clock hour.

879
01:05:49,270 --> 01:05:55,390
So, um, flexible. Should we start the select board meeting at 5, 30, do whatever business we need?

880
01:05:55,410 --> 01:05:57,910
We are not having a select board meeting on a silver fifth.

881
01:05:59,490 --> 01:06:01,530
We are, we are delaying out.

882
01:06:02,010 --> 01:06:08,910
So, until the next meeting. So, we are required to have the information meeting within 30 days of the, of the vote.

883
01:06:09,850 --> 01:06:11,530
Just a little different question.

884
01:06:13,730 --> 01:06:16,590
Do we need an extra select board meeting? I mean, it feels...

885
01:06:17,070 --> 01:06:23,670
Yeah, so we are jumping ahead a little bit, but yes, I think so I like to go home.

886
01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:31,410
So we will, so then the plan would be to then meet on Tuesday, the 13th for the first regular

887
01:06:31,410 --> 01:06:47,050
schedules like we're meeting on October 9th and again, so the fifth, I think it's like

888
01:06:47,050 --> 01:06:48,670
and seven, so you'll do other things.

889
01:06:49,290 --> 01:06:51,330
It's all right, it's all right, we have to prove this now.

890
01:06:51,350 --> 01:06:53,890
You have to prove this now, I'm sorry, I'm okay.

891
01:06:54,790 --> 01:06:59,530
Okay, so we need a motion, then, to approve.

892
01:07:00,410 --> 01:07:04,230
I mean, we're motion, and we approve the town of Harlem special

893
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:09,670
town meeting, notice, for November 3rd, 2026,

894
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:22,470
related to authoration to the country and to get authorization for the general public for a bond

895
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:25,530
of $3 million for the creature of a second.

896
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:39,280
With me, at home was, gives the stage mailing all the ballots with a general election. Correct.

897
01:07:39,700 --> 01:07:45,560
We kind of compelled to mail list ballot to all the heart members.

898
01:07:46,220 --> 01:07:53,760
We are not compelled to climb, but the question is to the select board on whether or not we would like to.

899
01:07:53,760 --> 01:08:02,240
There, it's not in the budget, it would push the elections budget over, but there is precedent

900
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:07,980
we did it during COVID times by mailing ballots before it was required by law.

901
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:14,780
We already started to put together a postcard mailing that we hope to get out tomorrow.

902
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,740
This is going on to voters this morning.

903
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:20,480
No, it's going to be no bad.

904
01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:26,920
the morning will be on the ballot. So the notification of voter is that this is just

905
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:32,440
this meeting on the first. The meeting on the fifth and again we were, we've already started

906
01:08:32,440 --> 01:08:36,360
putting together a postcard which I hope to get in the mail tomorrow so folks had that prior to the

907
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:42,880
fifth giving them just the notification that there's a meeting happening. Again the timeline's

908
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:49,100
very compressed here. So, could we do it? I mean, how much does it cost to do?

909
01:08:49,460 --> 01:08:56,000
Dad, Dad, do we have the money to do it? Yes, can we do it? Yes. I think given what we're

910
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:01,200
asking are the voters, the more voters we can get to participate in this better. And I think

911
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:05,600
absolutely vote. No, you're going to get more participation. I'm somebody coming on

912
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:13,040
you're elected in your postcard. You can say pick up a ballot on such a such a date with the

913
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:20,360
town offices. Yeah, people could do. We could have ballots here if they are not able to come

914
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:27,000
on November 3rd. Or, but I would say that's a deep only process that exists today.

915
01:09:28,180 --> 01:09:35,180
Okay, great. But as of today, in the general election, everybody is getting a ballot in

916
01:09:35,180 --> 01:09:38,520
And what does that have to do?

917
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,480
When are ballots, ballots that have been meant to?

918
01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:42,540
Now I think that it's not my vote state.

919
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,460
The state sends out the General Luxembourg's vote.

920
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:47,560
So it's already done.

921
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:48,180
It's already done.

922
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,680
So at this point, they would be getting a second ballot in the mail, which might be a little confusing.

923
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,700
I think there's a link that's called the Postcard, the Florida and the Federal.

924
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,300
And it's the second postcard, the one that's been posted.

925
01:10:01,610 --> 01:10:05,970
So the intent of the first postcard that we're hoping these monos to get people informed

926
01:10:05,970 --> 01:10:08,330
of the October 5th meeting.

927
01:10:08,850 --> 01:10:11,590
If we didn't want to do another mailer, it may not

928
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:12,730
show birth for the general election.

929
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:13,310
That's fine.

930
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:16,110
These are $5, $600, piece of your mail.

931
01:10:16,290 --> 01:10:16,710
That's a bad idea.

932
01:10:18,150 --> 01:10:18,270
OK.

933
01:10:18,590 --> 01:10:18,890
OK.

934
01:10:19,210 --> 01:10:22,870
So we have a motion and a second.

935
01:10:23,530 --> 01:10:24,310
Hold the paper of sale.

936
01:10:25,850 --> 01:10:27,150
I motion passes.

937
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:29,530
Thank you.

938
01:10:29,730 --> 01:10:30,930
I mean, what's the second?

939
01:10:31,070 --> 01:10:32,570
It's just something that's not the thing you've done.

940
01:10:32,650 --> 01:10:33,590
It's a number of things.

941
01:10:33,970 --> 01:10:34,610
I've got a key.

942
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,680
I have the first one.

943
01:10:42,700 --> 01:10:43,420
I have the resolution.

944
01:10:44,060 --> 01:10:45,040
I need that.

945
01:10:45,060 --> 01:10:46,140
I need the sign warning.

946
01:10:46,660 --> 01:10:51,760
This is like

947
01:10:54,070 --> 01:10:56,550
we're in New oars.

948
01:10:58,090 --> 01:10:59,150
First one enough.

949
01:10:59,430 --> 01:11:00,090
Yes sir.

950
01:11:01,110 --> 01:11:02,410
That's so serious.

951
01:11:02,710 --> 01:11:05,030
That's so serious, I mean.

952
01:11:05,690 --> 01:11:06,550
That's so serious.

953
01:11:08,250 --> 01:11:09,610
What do we do?

954
01:11:09,610 --> 01:11:16,290
I don't have one myself, I don't have any of my dear friends in general men in this sort of

955
01:11:16,290 --> 01:11:23,610
small roles. Moving on to the Pumper Tank Agreement and the Vermont Municipal Loan

956
01:11:23,610 --> 01:11:29,050
Application. Correct, you'll recall a few months back we have proved the purpose of a

957
01:11:29,050 --> 01:11:35,190
Pumper Tanker for the fire department. I think the total cost was somewhere in the 560,000

958
01:11:35,190 --> 01:11:43,330
range, using all of the available fire equipment apparatus reserve funds, we are short

959
01:11:43,330 --> 01:11:51,250
about $210,000, which we knew when we approved that purchase. This is a loan application,

960
01:11:51,890 --> 01:11:58,030
counting this is a perfect. Counting this is still $210,000. This is an application

961
01:11:58,030 --> 01:12:04,250
to the Vermont Municipal Equipment and Vehicle Loan Fund. You can get up to $150,000 at

962
01:12:04,250 --> 01:12:11,430
two percent interest. So this is I'll fill out just a motion to, we have authorized me to send

963
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:18,670
this in. They need in the middle of October to issue awards. So again, we're, so this

964
01:12:18,670 --> 01:12:25,890
is not guaranteed. This is not guaranteed and it still leaves us about $60,000 short. We could,

965
01:12:25,890 --> 01:12:28,590
there's an all the other drains that we need here.

966
01:12:29,130 --> 01:12:32,570
We have a salary of March, but 26 to pay for it.

967
01:12:34,030 --> 01:12:37,950
26, 26, 27, 27, 27, 25,

968
01:12:40,930 --> 01:12:43,990
25, so the voters know

969
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:47,390
how are we going to pay off this note?

970
01:12:48,110 --> 01:12:51,690
It'll be, this payment would be added to the budget.

971
01:12:52,670 --> 01:12:53,490
Okay.

972
01:12:55,050 --> 01:12:56,750
You're going to miss what's the length of talking?

973
01:12:56,830 --> 01:12:57,370
Five years.

974
01:12:57,690 --> 01:12:57,830
Five years.

975
01:13:01,670 --> 01:13:01,850
Okay.

976
01:13:03,430 --> 01:13:04,290
These are the motions.

977
01:13:05,870 --> 01:13:08,570
I'll make a motion that we approve,

978
01:13:11,010 --> 01:13:13,070
municipal equipment, and be able to have a long

979
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:21,790
fund application for commercial 2,000 gallon tanker for our flight of flight of parliament.

980
01:13:23,580 --> 01:13:24,260
Is there a second?

981
01:13:24,260 --> 01:13:24,980
Oh, second.

982
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,160
So if you choose, I just want to support this question.

983
01:13:28,020 --> 01:13:30,100
I just, again, want to be on the record

984
01:13:30,100 --> 01:13:33,360
because they really need to work closely

985
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,640
with the fire department on future purposes.

986
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,200
As these, this equipment keeps increasing in cost,

987
01:13:39,300 --> 01:13:42,820
we just can't afford it on some of these settings.

988
01:13:43,300 --> 01:13:47,640
And so we fully support the fire department,

989
01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:51,460
but I think we need to try to come up with a new paradigm

990
01:13:51,460 --> 01:14:02,540
I'm how we use equipment and things like this as costs, especially for fire, if I ever had a staff for us, it's just gyroctic and they have to also it takes forever.

991
01:14:03,060 --> 01:14:03,940
It's a piece of revenue.

992
01:14:04,900 --> 01:14:06,240
But I don't know.

993
01:14:07,620 --> 01:14:09,660
This is tough stuff.

994
01:14:10,420 --> 01:14:11,440
Any other comments?

995
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:13,960
There's a little favor.

996
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:18,920
Thank you.

997
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:19,220
Thank you.

998
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:22,920
John, we're in the term to you for the term manager.

999
01:14:23,480 --> 01:14:23,800
Sure.

1000
01:14:24,980 --> 01:14:29,060
So, we talked about the postcard mailing already.

1001
01:14:30,260 --> 01:14:32,560
The assessor assistant position is open and posted.

1002
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,280
We've gotten a few resumes through the posting on Indeed.

1003
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:36,220
It also went out.

1004
01:14:36,940 --> 01:14:40,280
It's on the website and through the Vermont Association of Listers and Accessors.

1005
01:14:41,420 --> 01:14:45,680
We changed the job ad from an assessor to an assessor assistant

1006
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:50,000
after meeting with our contract to assessor Nimrak right now.

1007
01:14:50,780 --> 01:14:56,620
We need somebody in the office who can start and work independently.

1008
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:58,880
So that's what we're working on finding right now.

1009
01:15:00,430 --> 01:15:11,870
We recently switched our water testing contractor, and did some sampling work at both the REC and activity center.

1010
01:15:12,050 --> 01:15:17,590
There were a few minor deficiencies found, but the new operator is working to resolve those with the agency net resources.

1011
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:30,240
We continue. The road crew has been consistently cleaning up trash at the corner of the five in Gilson Road.

1012
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:37,140
It's been going out for a long time, so B.G.I. are trying to figure out how to meet with B.

1013
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:39,280
Trans, we can find a solution.

1014
01:15:39,700 --> 01:15:44,460
Do you essentially remove that big parking area that was created when RUFIM was redone?

1015
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:51,240
I think that's the easy opportunity for folks to stop and throw trash over the bank there.

1016
01:15:54,100 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaking of Gilsen Road, the section of Gilsen Road between Mount Hunger and RUFIM is starting

1017
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:10,320
a collapse in. And one idea to look at it because it would be a very expensive repair, because

1018
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:18,260
it's lengthy, would be to just create two dead end roads, so Gilson Road would stop that

1019
01:16:18,260 --> 01:16:25,000
melt hunger, and then we would just use Jersey various other mechanisms to prevent traffic there,

1020
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:30,100
and then after the first that there's four dryways on the left,

1021
01:16:30,100 --> 01:16:35,240
They've been coming out from move five to block it up there and essentially let that middle section of

1022
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:40,380
Wilson Road where there's no houses go and let that bank continue to be road.

1023
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:54,940
It's an option, it's a little traffic headache, but I think the repair to that section of road is going to be costly.

1024
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:57,280
Who is a culvert failure?

1025
01:16:57,700 --> 01:16:59,140
It's a bank stabilization issue.

1026
01:17:02,350 --> 01:17:04,390
So we are looking at it.

1027
01:17:04,470 --> 01:17:07,910
We are aware of that it's an issue, but we'll talk to the fire department.

1028
01:17:08,230 --> 01:17:10,390
You know, it creates a headache for plot routes,

1029
01:17:10,390 --> 01:17:14,630
you know, and for folks who use that as a cutoff to get down the roof five to go north.

1030
01:17:15,930 --> 01:17:16,030
So.

1031
01:17:16,850 --> 01:17:19,810
And then that's it.

1032
01:17:27,580 --> 01:17:28,540
You know.

1033
01:17:29,740 --> 01:17:30,880
Thank you, Joe.

1034
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:41,330
future. Do not items include. I'm going to throw in the Quitchie Road. We're going to talk

1035
01:17:41,330 --> 01:17:48,430
about the secure policy review. We have capital plan, the town of high-work policy, and I don't

1036
01:17:48,430 --> 01:17:57,030
pay for the return of the problem. And, let's do forget that by 28 budget. Actually, I chose not

1037
01:17:57,030 --> 01:18:01,910
to mention. I'm sorry. Well, you know, I'm not sure if you're aware. It's not out there.

1038
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:06,610
And you're just the clerk, it's our total vote.

1039
01:18:06,870 --> 01:18:07,190
Yes, it's me.

1040
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:09,610
The 12th of the 19th.

1041
01:18:09,670 --> 01:18:13,590
You're meaning that the select board is meaning that not the 12th.

1042
01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:14,450
I believe it's the 13th.

1043
01:18:15,570 --> 01:18:16,950
It's the 12th of the 12th.

1044
01:18:16,990 --> 01:18:17,130
Yeah.

1045
01:18:18,370 --> 01:18:20,450
So Tuesday the 13th, Monday the 19th.

1046
01:18:21,710 --> 01:18:24,830
October 5th will be the special sound meeting.

1047
01:18:26,890 --> 01:18:28,590
Okay John, do we have any concerns?

1048
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:29,630
There are 10 of them.

1049
01:18:31,170 --> 01:18:35,670
5, 5, 13, 19, 5, 13, 19, all at 5 30 p.m.

1050
01:18:35,710 --> 01:18:36,510
Go play keynote.

1051
01:18:41,970 --> 01:18:43,670
Okay, John was already corresponding.

1052
01:18:43,950 --> 01:18:44,510
No, of course.

1053
01:18:45,170 --> 01:18:45,390
Okay.

1054
01:18:46,770 --> 01:18:49,510
We do have an executive session.

1055
01:18:50,050 --> 01:18:51,290
Sorry, Phil, can I interrupt?

1056
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:52,810
There was a comment earlier.

1057
01:18:53,370 --> 01:18:55,970
After the discussion, it was received post-aid online.

1058
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:58,990
The original, let me,

1059
01:19:01,130 --> 01:19:05,650
the two reverse harboring reps of appointment was an agenda meeting item.

1060
01:19:05,930 --> 01:19:11,410
Can someone from the slide court explain why they're not voting or making a decision based on the,

1061
01:19:11,410 --> 01:19:13,690
based on what talk him and ask tonight?

1062
01:19:17,490 --> 01:19:18,190
I'm more in one week.

1063
01:19:18,910 --> 01:19:24,470
So this was just a statement made by an individual.

1064
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:28,470
Well, I think if we're going to take that dramatic step

1065
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:34,070
of removing the primary mission or two rivers

1066
01:19:34,070 --> 01:19:38,370
that we should talk to two rivers out of which

1067
01:19:38,370 --> 01:19:42,570
the executive committee and do our own due diligence

1068
01:19:42,570 --> 01:19:44,030
on this.

1069
01:19:44,350 --> 01:19:49,270
And just take action like that based upon the testimony

1070
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:52,590
of a single individual and a third response

1071
01:19:52,590 --> 01:19:56,370
I don't know, they're going to fail.

1072
01:19:56,830 --> 01:19:58,930
No. Okay. Okay.

1073
01:19:59,750 --> 01:20:01,970
We have a mayor of Canable request.

1074
01:20:02,730 --> 01:20:04,470
So we need to enter into the section.

1075
01:20:05,170 --> 01:20:06,750
Thank you everyone for coming.

1076
01:20:10,020 --> 01:20:11,280
Yeah, I'll make the motion.

1077
01:20:11,480 --> 01:20:11,840
I'd like to make the motion.

1078
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:12,500
I'd like to make the motion.

1079
01:20:12,500 --> 01:20:15,680
I'd like to make the motion.

1080
01:20:15,740 --> 01:20:16,740
I'll second the motion.

1081
01:20:17,300 --> 01:20:18,240
All in all the papers.

1082
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:20,660
I want to.

1083
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,360
Okay. We're back in open meeting.

1084
01:20:24,420 --> 01:20:33,640
And then I will make a motion, so I'll throw out the time and you're just going up to

1085
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,700
$1,000 to cover a Merit Campbell request.

1086
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:38,440
I'll second that motion.

1087
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:39,820
Any discussion?

1088
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:42,680
All in favor of say on it?

1089
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:43,320
Aye.

1090
01:20:45,660 --> 01:20:46,780
Which agenda motion to adjourn?