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[0:17] First order of business to convene or the minutes from September the 8th we have both regular minutes and as well as minutes from the executive session, I would entertain any motion to accept both of those.
[0:29] So, I'm all thanks, Clare, second, but thank you, Trace, any discussion?
[0:53] Can I tell myself the reading of the telemanager update and a couple of seven systems in the paragraph
[1:01] that says, re-addressing is underway?
[1:04] I think we might want to define that.
[1:08] What it means, this is, you know, that it is the 911, or the address of this.
[1:16] Okay, we can make that thought, okay.
[1:24] Any other comments?
[1:26] I think it's a hundred percent.
[1:28] That's a mayors.
[1:30] Old favor say aye.
[1:33] Moving on to the orders where the accounts payable through today's September 21st.
[1:37] again, I need a motion to accept them. I'm going to take a bill through today. Thank you
[1:43] client a second. Second. Is that in case you're going to get a tie?
[1:54] I'm not sure when you got
[1:55] Thank you.
[1:57] Any comments?
[2:03] That's good to hear.
[2:05] That's good to hear.
[2:05] That's good to hear.
[2:06] It's going to be paid for by through the grant today.
[2:09] Thank you.
[2:10] I kept those for the discharge and culverts that we did on ground road.
[2:14] The appropriations from Calmediting or in this set of accounts payable.
[2:22] I noticed that the fire and rescue are too payment.
[2:27] or the really owners I didn't know them, those are the only things that we
[2:30] spent.
[2:35] See we paid close to school scale.
[2:38] Yep.
[2:38] How are we doing on our phone tax collection?
[2:42] We're doing okay Martin, do you want to get it?
[2:45] So, this fiscal year last year we're down to 130,000 building
[2:51] and the current taxes that were collected were 210,000 building.
[2:58] Thank you.
[3:01] Just an observation, and we all understand the situation, but it has payment to the school
[3:09] with $4,808,367, and some change.
[3:15] And the entire budget for the town is approximately $4.2 million.
[3:21] Just a little bit of right around there.
[3:41] Yes.
[3:41] Excuse me.
[3:42] Excuse me.
[3:44] You accept?
[3:46] Okay.
[3:46] All the papers say aye.
[3:47] Aye.
[3:49] Okay.
[3:50] We'll be in line.
[3:54] I'll come to my agenda.
[4:03] Okay.
[4:03] We have to go ahead and adjust the agenda.
[4:06] We haven't done that yet.
[4:08] Oh, John, I don't believe we have any adjustments to the agenda.
[4:12] So there was one, a letter went out to residents regarding the naming of Town Highway 8, talking
[4:19] to the saying that it would be talked about it.
[4:21] This black board meeting did not get put on the agenda.
[4:24] We can wait until the next regular, we'll just get a black board meeting, so I'm not going
[4:30] to add that to the agenda for tonight.
[4:34] Okay.
[4:35] Are there any public comments
[4:42] from Sir?
[4:44] Public comments regarding what's this is?
[4:47] General public comment slater in a agenda to quit you wrote is in a gender item. So we'll address that at that point
[4:55] There's a helmet has a hint of online. Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't know when that letter went out, please
[5:04] You might say the letter went out about
[5:09] Yeah, thank you
[5:13] No, because it went out only to the property owners who have
[5:17] Okay, okay
[5:18] I misunderstood, sorry. Thank you.
[5:23] Okay. Any other comments? Very something willing.
[5:28] Okay. Good. Let's move on to old business. The first item is the personal policy for the town.
[5:37] We discussed this and made some suggestive changes last time.
[5:43] I can leave, I don't have the page right here, but there was really one additional change
[5:50] that was going to be realized.
[5:54] Yep.
[5:55] As I can say, it's 16 in section 30.
[6:03] So there was the administrative regarding the exempt employees, just the last open conversation
[6:08] of these, the last paragraph on the top of grade 17 starts with employees classified exempt
[6:15] as exempts, or not entitled overtime, or FLSA Compton. That's the paragraph that was added.
[6:22] We removed the administer of time off section. Everything else remains the same for what you
[6:25] reviewed at the last meeting.
[6:30] Any questions?
[6:36] I'm close with the big things. We're looking
[6:38] to change. So I'd like to get emotional to pass the new personal policy. It's not given.
[6:53] It's dated 23, adopted this 21st day. It's December of 2026.
[7:02] Does this have to be posted?
[7:04] No. This is just an internal policy.
[7:07] So we adopted the amended on the part on the personnel policy, stated September 21st.
[7:19] These are a second.
[7:22] Thank you, Tom.
[7:23] All together.
[7:24] All together.
[7:24] All together.
[7:25] All together.
[7:25] All together.
[7:29] Thank you.
[7:51] Okay, let's move on to the next item. Under all business, the dog ordinance. Again, we reviewed this at the last meeting, I believe, earlier before, and we had a few syntax changes, and then a change regarding,
[8:15] if an owner was being warned, and they need to address over
[8:22] the exact moment.
[8:23] Yep, if there was a essentially a behavior program needed for a recurring problematic dog,
[8:32] we added language that this like words requests saying that we would coordinate those behavior
[8:38] modifications programs with or use available behavior modifications programs through the
[8:44] you can see that change in
[8:57] under a lot of true work pages and some of them are reckless
[9:01] to all go to the last couple of sentences.
[9:06] Yeah, so it's the bottom of section 7.
[9:14] There are behavior modifications for a game to maybe coordinate with the right hand.
[9:18] He may decide whether or not we'll go to the main side of the chapters.
[9:20] So again, the select course allows us to approve the program, but we can coordinate that
[9:26] big implementation program with those outside agencies.
[9:30] So it takes the select board doesn't have to come up with our own big implementation program.
[9:36] And we'll control our services.
[9:38] The other change, again, aside from cleaning up some of the medical errors,
[9:44] there were no waiver fees for the potentially vicious dog category.
[9:49] And so in the table, on the second page, you'll see that the waiver fees for the potentially
[9:55] vicious dog are not reduced, like they are for all the other, all the other waiver fees
[10:02] are lower than the fine.
[10:05] So if you want to contest the ticket rate, you can, but if you don't want to contest the
[10:09] ticket, you can pay a waiver fee.
[10:11] They are the same for potentially vicious dog, there's no reduction in fee there.
[10:15] Okay.
[10:17] That is the question.
[10:19] Oh, yes.
[10:21] It should have been the place to enter for ourselves.
[10:23] I mean, the place to enter for ourselves,
[10:25] Robert, please.
[10:26] Thank you, Robert.
[10:28] The changes are made for a statute
[10:30] or from experience here in general.
[10:33] So there, this is the model ordinance that was provided by
[10:37] the legal citizens in towns.
[10:38] These are two changes we talked about.
[10:41] one coordinated the Asian modification programs.
[10:45] That's a, this older language said
[10:49] that this life board came up with a behavioral modification
[10:51] program.
[10:52] So I think this is just, you know, saying that we will coordinate
[10:55] that with, you know, appropriate authority,
[10:57] it's basically, and the way their fees were amended.
[11:04] Because I think there's why we want to give the owners
[11:10] So potentially vicious dogs, they have computer decayed lesser fees if they wanted to contest their designation as a potentially vicious dog.
[11:21] So it sounds like a little of somebody's statute and the second one might experience.
[11:32] I wasn't putting it in my statute. I guess I'm trying to.
[11:35] Well, the discrimination is from different organizations that said this is how you would call such a thing.
[11:41] for your go-up policy to date your town.
[11:46] Yep.
[11:46] And it sounds like we're taking some language from that.
[11:50] Most of the ordinance came from Louis,
[11:52] I guess it is times.
[11:53] Yeah.
[11:54] 99% of the language.
[11:56] And Robert, this is several different services.
[11:58] The Vermont League of Cities and Town is actually
[12:02] an organization funded by the town in the state.
[12:07] It's not of state statutes where
[12:09] of the day created the default by the office and that's what we're using here.
[12:15] Okay.
[12:17] Okay.
[12:18] I'm sure.
[12:20] Um, in this ordinance, there is no mention that the dates with the dog floor is issued.
[12:28] I just wanted to actually be part of this ordinance, but also we'll be instituting that
[12:34] that are not a control officer now that would be issuing tickets instead of a time
[12:42] obstacle who is supposed to be in pounding dollars for the war, but that's it. So how is
[12:49] that all that change that comes to life and things and very patient ratings that that thing?
[12:58] Sure. Yeah, sure. I think we have two questions. One, you know, we're not, there's no
[13:06] language in the dog born into regarding the dog born as correct.
[13:11] So in that,
[13:15] essentially,
[13:16] there's several processes.
[13:18] So it's like where after the conflict,
[13:21] the dog registration is in the frame,
[13:23] the dog born is put together to handle it,
[13:25] and is given to the, to the console.
[13:28] There is language in here for tickets
[13:30] for unregistered dogs.
[13:32] So, the two things are related, but there are several processes.
[13:37] So, are we going to change that, because that routine, because only my kind of hospital condition should give us also.
[13:43] He can, yes?
[13:44] So, why do we still have an awareness in the town, because it's a town, when we're, we can have,
[13:54] and let the judicial system take care of that aspect of it, and get these dogs registered and ready for the occasion.
[14:01] Because I think we've talked about this as a board before.
[14:05] I don't think that we want to be taking any unnecessary dogs.
[14:09] Every underage of dog that we come up with.
[14:10] We want to have a friendly approach.
[14:14] And see if we can get balanced every compliance versus a taking into defense.
[14:18] And how do you compliance with it?
[14:21] I don't know.
[14:22] I'm looked at the assistance out of the floor.
[14:26] I think I don't have the information.
[14:28] I can't hold it.
[14:30] Can I ask you a question?
[14:33] Would you think it worked better?
[14:35] Did that score?
[14:36] No, no, no, no, no.
[14:40] No, no.
[14:40] No, but I mean, the moment you know, the more does it does it work.
[14:46] We give you a warrant to the elected council,
[14:49] and it runs a statutory process, right?
[14:52] And they aren't a elected official,
[14:54] so we do checking with that periodic leave.
[14:57] But again, it's animal control, so you're fine.
[15:00] Unregistered dogs, he does have the ability to see them and take it, because they are not registered.
[15:05] There's one key point that you may not possible is, if no, if no, if there is, if he is,
[15:14] I'll go to the voters.
[15:16] Correct.
[15:17] I don't know what to do.
[15:21] Okay.
[15:22] Please tell us your name with them.
[15:24] Can you?
[15:26] I assume that it's understood that this dog is through this program in passes or is being
[15:34] appropriate to be back in time to aid the modification so we have back to the bottom of the
[15:41] bottom of the dog's soil mass or is it mass?
[15:44] I can't believe you.
[15:46] I have a thing that I think it's just for cleaning the part and it's just actually there's
[15:50] something.
[15:52] Yes.
[15:53] It says the animal control source is she would notification that they've successfully kind of managed
[15:59] to be healing modification program.
[16:00] Okay. Any other questions on it? Okay. I'd like to pass this report amendment to the
[16:14] pass. Is it kind of going to control over the bill? It's dated today. I'll make a motion
[16:21] that we've had. We'll do hotline, dark control orders dated September 21st. Thank you,
[16:30] It should be a document that should be a document that should be a document that should be a document.
[16:38] Oh, second motion.
[16:39] Thank you.
[16:40] Thank you.
[16:44] Thank you.
[16:45] Thank you.
[16:46] Motion passes.
[16:47] Thank you.
[16:48] Just for very different next steps on this.
[16:51] Next steps are, it gets posted in five consecutive places throughout town.
[16:56] There are 60 days for the borders.
[16:57] to circulate a petition to,
[17:00] essentially, move your nits back.
[17:03] And then the full tax of the adopted
[17:04] ordained has to be posted in the newspaper
[17:07] for the town, not one of the 14 days from today.
[17:12] So do we, once we hit that 60 day infertile,
[17:14] do we have no circle back and do any of that?
[17:16] No, once, if there's no petition,
[17:18] then it's effective following the 60 days.
[17:20] We're going to, we'll get it.
[17:23] We'll get the ordained as posted in five spots.
[17:25] And this week, we're going to post it
[17:27] full tax in the newspaper.
[17:31] Good question, Jim. Okay, moving on to new business.
[17:39] The first item
[17:40] is the town plan adoption. We're talking about the 2026 town plan. We just finished our fourth public hearing
[17:50] and here are no substantial need for substantial changes. I do think you were ready to adopt them.
[18:00] Any comments?
[18:05] I'm visibly proubier.
[18:08] Okay.
[18:09] Nope.
[18:10] So I'm coming to something.
[18:13] Anybody in there?
[18:13] I think
[18:17] it's going to come with some line.
[18:23] I'm looking for a motion.
[18:25] Yeah, let's clarify the motion.
[18:28] Just for a sanity thing.
[18:30] So I believe the last published document
[18:34] is the select board hearing draft
[18:38] there should have been dated September 21st and I believe that was posted on the website.
[18:46] And all that I'm going to change was the date from the August public hearing.
[18:52] I mean, I have that document.
[18:53] So it's the same document.
[18:55] It's exactly undocumented.
[18:56] but the correct forage promotion would be that we docked the town plan for Heartland for a lot as it huddlish
[19:08] or full of the September 21st or dated September 21st, 2021, 2026.
[19:16] I'll make a motion that we docked the town plan for Heartland for a lot dated September 21st,
[19:25] 226.
[19:25] That's the second.
[19:26] Thank you, Tom.
[19:27] Thank you, Jim.
[19:29] All in favor of sale.
[19:31] All right.
[19:33] That has been one long process.
[19:36] Let's check out.
[19:38] We should have turned the meeting to go somewhere.
[19:43] Okay.
[19:44] Moving on to the next item under new business.
[19:47] Are errors and emissions approval for the heart and assessor?
[19:53] It's a form PDR-4261, don't you want to...
[20:00] Yeah, I assume you haven't copied that.
[20:02] Yeah, some of you have to.
[20:04] In the last year, the state of mind changed
[20:07] how telecommunication properties are assessed.
[20:12] And so every telecommunication properties,
[20:15] which there's about 9 or 10,
[20:18] in town, got a new parcel number
[20:20] and went through a new formula, and the states were made.
[20:25] So this is an adjustment to fix several properties
[20:30] of assessments according to new rules by the state,
[20:34] as a last year.
[20:36] So as a group, that represent there was one parcel
[20:40] that was not created to reflect the value of all the telecommunications
[20:47] in town, which was just great out, not just at one location, but their wires and stuff like that.
[20:53] They self-report that to the state.
[20:55] So that was a new parcel created.
[20:59] And then the other parcels were officially overvalued on correct advice.
[21:04] And these changes will be transmitted to the state grand list.
[21:09] Yes.
[21:10] In fact, we were notified by the state because virtually all of these companies went to appeal across the state
[21:17] because everybody changed everybody's.
[21:20] And in the appeals process, this was discovered
[21:22] for us, so we got the feedback to the practice.
[21:27] Yes, so the specific implementation of that.
[21:33] Probably not.
[21:34] Yes, so it was how the evaluation was before and after
[21:40] and then yet different, what shows us?
[21:42] Do we know what the impact on the taxes?
[21:46] So three, Martin Crick with him around three made their first initial payment that the partial payment,
[21:53] one paid in full and one has yet to make a payment.
[21:56] So we will have to issue refunds to those to some of those.
[21:59] That's my question, dude.
[22:01] So it's a hit to rhythm.
[22:02] We know what to hold it to rhythm, right?
[22:04] It means you're showing on an expenses.
[22:08] Yeah.
[22:09] The actual number no, right?
[22:11] Why don't we don't have that?
[22:12] It says a big meeting in the logic and the security of zero dollar line, but this year was good, but it's an impact.
[22:20] It is an impact.
[22:21] We should understand.
[22:22] Yes.
[22:23] Yeah.
[22:24] That's right.
[22:28] Okay.
[22:29] We do it.
[22:30] Our troops, the motion to accept this form of PDR as a chief citizen of accept a crew or a question.
[22:42] It's signed by the town clerk.
[22:46] So I think you are approving that there is no mission.
[22:50] We discussed this the last time I was here for years and missions and I think it's a little bit
[22:56] We believe that we'll bet it's just a pro-former thing or not, but because this was an entire class of properties
[23:03] and we were talking to our advisors at the state level we wanted to guess if we were nervous and before I make it all out of my guts.
[23:13] So this is additional. This is the right thing to do. This is the right thing to do.
[23:20] So we're going to kind of less of you, but it's a change to our grand rest.
[23:24] So we don't have to take a dramatic kind of action.
[23:28] Does it ensign that it's proving at the time you're not going to think that I would change
[23:34] the entire thing as directly by the state.
[23:38] That's it.
[23:41] It's a moral awareness for the board because there is a impact to that.
[23:45] Well, we have to sign in.
[23:47] Because the state dictates the formula of how these companies are done.
[23:53] I think we should approve that make a motion that we approve for PDR-4261E areas and emissions
[24:02] certificate from a town of part 1 for the 2026 grid and less.
[24:07] Thank you, Jim.
[24:09] I'll expect.
[24:09] So can we just say dated September 16 because there might be others coming forward?
[24:15] Yes, there's a little member.
[24:15] I would like to say that it's a day on it to be decided.
[24:23] Okay, any discussion?
[24:25] All the favors, you know.
[24:29] Thank
[24:47] you, Doug.
[24:51] He said that.
[24:52] He said that.
[24:53] Okay.
[24:54] Okay.
[24:55] On to the next.
[24:56] New business item.
[24:58] The item is true rivers, auto twitch,
[25:00] regional commission, partner representatives,
[25:02] appointment.
[25:03] In our packets, we have a letter from fellow resident, Todd Payman, dated September the 16th.
[25:20] Not a shout.
[25:22] It's a very deadly request, Todd.
[25:25] Todd, who can you share any comments?
[25:30] Yes, I'm going to present that you've got a chance to read the letter.
[25:34] I don't want to waste your time and how long these meetings get free.
[25:37] So I'm going to do a big picture over to you.
[25:41] I've been very actively involved in the reform plan.
[25:44] I had great concerns about the lack of public participation in March.
[25:49] There was a lot going over the public, which was the last meeting of the land use rules were warned.
[25:54] In April, the executive director was asked whether the public should be like that.
[25:57] Again, in the adamantly refused to do so on video.
[26:01] I complained to John at the time that there was an open meeting law violation of that both meetings nothing happened.
[26:08] Eventually, there was a notice of violation served on the committee and they were forced to acknowledge they broke the law.
[26:14] At that meeting, they announced there would be a new meeting on September 9th, where we could talk about the language rules.
[26:20] because it was since March we had no public office to be that meeting was canceled.
[26:25] And then the straw that broke the camel's graph that caused me to write this letter to all of you,
[26:30] was a emergency executive committee meeting, which was called last Monday on a Friday.
[26:36] The bylaws of two rivers are very clear. Any meeting, any meeting at all needs to go.
[26:42] This was a group of commissioners and John was a part of it.
[26:45] even though he's not legally on the executive committee they had mistakenly added
[26:50] and was a seventh member in violation of the violence. So he's been acting as an example.
[26:54] I just so for the general public, the select board appoints the
[27:03] town member that would be a member of the committee. That's what you're referring to.
[27:07] Yes, and I'm there tonight because I'm asking you at least for now. I realize that this might be a
[27:12] to digest and make a decision on soon, but the problem that I have is that our town has
[27:18] not simply did any formal comments to the world to two rivers. Any work that John's doing
[27:25] on behalf of Parkland and he's not on our land resident and he's not on the member of two rivers
[27:29] jurisdiction. He's doing informally with the staff because he has a good relationship with them
[27:34] which I actually think is part of the problem. Because what's happening right now is there are people
[27:38] all over the state looking at two rivers as an outlier saying why are they not involving
[27:43] the public why are they taking such a harsh stand on excessive mandatory regulation why
[27:49] have they claimed such a broad definition of substantial regional impact that encompasses
[27:54] a huge swap of territory of our town where we will lose regulatory control in the event of
[28:00] a conflict between our policies and theirs. Everyone in this state is talking about it nobody
[28:05] department seems to even know what's happening, and the problem is, is that under
[28:10] 281, the only opportunity that we have is to show up at a meeting and we get a few minutes
[28:14] of public comment, and that's the more stuff that fall from the table that we get to try
[28:18] to influence this plan.
[28:20] And instead of just letting us have those more souls, which don't allow us to accomplish
[28:24] any real change, two rivers has worked hard to exclude us at every turn.
[28:30] And sadly, I get my representative from Heartland who I've never seen argue for any substance
[28:36] and change to a plan at a meeting, and I'm not suggesting he's not doing a behind-the-scenes,
[28:40] but it should be done for the form of Comfort, the chair of the Commission Bill Ennis,
[28:45] has signed letters critical of his own committee's plan,
[28:52] has signed, like there are other towns playing a role in his plan,
[28:56] stepping up and trying to curtail his organization, and we've been signed.
[29:00] And instead, John has been very actively and publicly involved in trying to navigate the political
[29:07] fallout from the exclusion of the public.
[29:10] And I want my representative trying to facilitate public involvement, not trying to discourage
[29:15] it.
[29:15] When there's public comment at these meetings, the normal practice of this commission, which
[29:19] I praise, is that Bill Evans responds and answers the questions and there's back and forth.
[29:24] When John is there, he's constantly reminding them that it's public comment, we don't have
[29:28] respond to what they're saying, rendering the participation not very meaningful.
[29:33] Basically, John didn't do anything to correct the opening meeting law violation when
[29:37] in the current was brought to his attention.
[29:40] John, when there was a discussion where they're admitting they broke the law and it's the first
[29:43] meetings since they broke the law, they start the meeting and for the first time, they shut
[29:48] the video off.
[29:49] There's 45 members of the public trying to see what's happening at this meeting where they
[29:53] just broke the law and Peter Gregory is insisting on keeping the video off.
[29:57] and a commissioner is troubled by it.
[30:00] And raises the question of whether we should put it back on, because there are people texting her, like, hey, I can't see who's speaking.
[30:05] And in the middle of that discussion, John interrupted any move to go into executive session immediately.
[30:11] In order to rescue him from the discussion I asked John about, I said it was unforgivable to the space.
[30:16] I like John real laughing in here with Phil this morning. I had no problem with him as a human being or as a town manager.
[30:22] but he is contributing to the problematic nature in which this body behaves.
[30:29] Imagine, Phil, if you notice the meaning for the select board and left-clied off.
[30:33] That's what happens last week.
[30:35] There were members of the commission, which did not receive notice of an emergency meeting,
[30:40] for the executive committee.
[30:41] And when those commissioners asked to go into executive sessions,
[30:45] so they could find out what the body was going to discuss, they were excluded.
[30:49] But John was let in. And that's because John was a wring leader in organizing that executive committee.
[30:57] Well, I mean, but I know for a fact that Bill didn't call that meeting because I talked to him the night that it happened.
[31:03] And Bill and John had been the duo dealing with this. But fine, John can deny that if he wants.
[31:08] Well, I'm sure he played a principle.
[31:10] Yeah, I'll try to leave first now.
[31:12] He has no trust me. I like John. There's no issue I have with John in his job here as a human being. I like it.
[31:20] Okay, but what I'm saying is we aren't getting the kind of representation the other towns are getting.
[31:26] They're getting documented comments, which allows them to take party status before the word to object to the planet.
[31:32] We missed that. We didn't even spend any comments.
[31:34] So revolting his appointment right now is not going to jeopardize Parkland's representation at two rivers.
[31:40] you already lost the opportunity to play a role in the world. The only thing it's going
[31:45] to do is pull a lot of these political machinations of the executive committee, which
[31:49] is not even lawfully on, that is dealing with the fallout from numerous efforts to exclude
[31:55] the public from being there. And so what I'm not, I don't want to have it with free law, but
[32:01] I feel it's really important, like I have given hundreds of hours of my time, hundreds to try
[32:08] influence this plan and improve it. And I have not been allowed an opportunity to speak in front
[32:14] of the full board at the land use schools for months. And the one chance that we were supposed to have
[32:20] where we were promised it was on September 9th and the meeting was canceled and no public notice was given.
[32:25] And they have all our emails because we submitted comments. And the only way you could find out is we just
[32:31] happen to check the website. There is a problem happening there and John is managing the fallout.
[32:37] He is not urging to have greater public participation.
[32:41] You need someone to talk about the plan.
[32:44] I'm just asking anyone, if you're the alternate,
[32:47] whoever that is, I would be happy to spend as much time
[32:50] as anybody wants to talk about my concerns with the plan.
[32:53] So if you agree with any of them and you don't have to,
[32:56] you can convey those to two rivers.
[32:59] But there's absolutely no need for John to be involved
[33:02] in the next few months with this.
[33:03] We're not even submitted anything.
[33:06] If someone tried to figure out Hartland's position on the plan, right, and he couldn't even find him.
[33:11] Because there is a point.
[33:12] And so, like, just take him off, you can always put him back on in four months after you think about this more and consider it.
[33:20] I'm not asking for him to be revoked permanently.
[33:23] But I want him out of this process right now because there's a lot happening in the next few months.
[33:28] There's a meeting on the 30th, and it's staff recommendations, which are numerous because of the public
[33:34] and the word, the agency of agriculture, we all precise the plan.
[33:38] If you went to any of the four formal hearing meetings, you would see that not a single person
[33:43] showed up and supported this plan. It has been heavily criticized and I just want, if we're only going
[33:51] to have that one meeting where staff is going to be running the show, we're not going to have any
[33:55] time as members of the public to even comment or propose anything because they just killed the
[34:04] Absolutely observed John doing and these meetings is discouraging them from interacting with us.
[34:09] You don't have to answer that.
[34:11] This is the public comment section.
[34:13] You don't have to talk right now.
[34:15] We are entitled to understate law, meaningful public participation, which isn't much, but they're still working not to get into us.
[34:23] Canceling meetings, turning off video, telling people not to answer.
[34:26] And he's involved in all, and I don't think that's a program, I think that as a staff member of a public body, which he is right here, I think his identification with this process, as a former regional planning commission employee, is with the staff, and our only hope as the public, there's no democracy over there, I don't vote for the board members, you pick them.
[34:50] This is your statutory heart of victim. There is no Democratic process for this plan. My sole
[34:56] access to it is through John. And John's perspective is that of stats. And he's in there trying
[35:03] to help them navigate the mistakes they're making. And I want somebody who's in there trying to
[35:09] oversee them. That's our only way to oversee staff is through these people. And he's not aligned
[35:14] with the public. He's not aligned with me the most active heart one person there trying to get access
[35:20] to these meetings.
[35:23] Yeah.
[35:24] If you have any questions I'm happy to do it.
[35:28] I realize that this is coming out of that field.
[35:30] I don't think you guys have been paying that much attention to the plan.
[35:33] I wish there was more attention but you got lots on your plate and I respect that.
[35:37] But I'm asking you for the smallest possible thing I can ask you,
[35:43] which is revoked as a point in tonight.
[35:45] Look at the issue for a few months.
[35:47] If you think I'm wrong, put them back on there, if you think I'm right, you leave them off.
[35:52] But what's happening over the next few months, the whole state is watching.
[35:56] I can tell you that the governor's office, the Lieutenant Governor's office, members of the legislature,
[36:02] it is an embarrassing situation.
[36:05] And I don't see anything coming out of heart and representation to do anything about it, quite the opposite.
[36:11] Thank you for your comments.
[36:17] Sorry, the discussion was done.
[36:20] Another one was clear.
[36:23] I think it was clear.
[36:25] Okay.
[36:26] Let's move on to the next item.
[36:31] Can I just ask one question?
[36:33] Is there any other meeting before 9.30?
[36:36] I'm sorry, Tony.
[36:37] Is there another meeting of you all between now?
[36:39] at ten percent.
[36:40] Oh, literally at my thirty-two.
[36:42] No.
[36:43] I thought...
[36:43] Well, it's not a great idea.
[36:44] You're going to have to opportunity to take action again, before it's time to
[36:48] set the timer.
[36:49] Yes.
[36:51] No, no, no, no, no, additional meetings, September.
[36:53] October 5th after the middle next.
[36:54] Such an eye-ascent.
[36:56] Yeah, you're not taking action.
[36:57] It's not going to happen.
[36:57] You're going to have to do it again.
[36:59] And I can.
[36:59] Who...
[37:00] I can tell you personally that...
[37:02] When you're at a meeting...
[37:04] Have something arisen that's been discussed at a meeting.
[37:07] We generally don't make a snap-to-sage in that way, because we are limited to the amount of time that we can actually speak to each other because a lot of people have more than how many of them are speaking to each other.
[37:22] Three, two, like I have to talk to Jim and I have to talk to Tom and I don't know how to talk.
[37:31] It takes, it takes time.
[37:34] I saw there is not another meeting between now and that day.
[37:38] Another step, maybe, we would have to have an emergency meeting or more of that.
[37:47] Okay, thank you.
[37:51] I'd like to table the children policy review at this point.
[37:57] We're still in a pretty full-general approach.
[38:01] Both companies have to, or need a motion to take a look.
[38:03] We do.
[38:07] Are you trying to follow federal guidelines on this issue?
[38:12] The only change in the procurement policy is in this iteration of it.
[38:17] This moving it from $5,000 for this time manager to spend it outside for approval.
[38:22] Moving that number up because we can't get,
[38:25] I mean, you can't move the graphs for five, I mean, joking, but it's not enough.
[38:30] We're, according to the old procurement policy, we need to go out to bid for anything
[38:33] over $5,000, which can slow the process down and add unnecessary work.
[38:40] We, just so you know, for under the federal guidelines, it's $10,000, it's the thing,
[38:47] but all you need to do is make three phone calls, so you don't have to do an RFP.
[38:51] you can call different people.
[38:54] So if you want to look at it, that's quite a bit for you.
[38:59] So I think there's more to it than we just
[39:01] say, we're going to make the change.
[39:03] I think we have to talk through it.
[39:05] OK, we're going to be very happy to look at it.
[39:08] We'll change what we're going to look at.
[39:10] I mean, it's not a crisis at all.
[39:13] It's not a crisis at all.
[39:13] So if you're going to do an outbreak, if you want to postpone
[39:16] an elderly discussion, I'll make the most
[39:19] we put this at the side of all the table and the table and the table and the table and the
[39:23] table and the table and the table. How about a few to me? How about a few to me? How about a few to
[39:28] me, do you know? Well, could I not have a lot of tools to order if you put some on the table
[39:32] and there's not a lot of up at the next regular meeting, it dies. Oh, okay.
[39:52] Okay, we have
[39:56] two items regarding the Quitchie Road tonight, but first is the necessary, we need to have the resolution to authorize obtaining the bond for repairs of the Quitchie Road.
[40:09] road, and the second is for calling a special town meeting.
[40:15] Let me take a moment to provide some background.
[40:21] Over a series of many meetings, and some of them are going to be back
[40:25] over the year, the board has been located at the results of an
[40:31] engineering study that we have done like pathways engineering.
[40:35] So we asked them to refresh that engineering study this past spring.
[40:44] And for the last four or five meetings, we've been looking at options for how to address
[40:53] the quitchie road.
[40:57] The cost of the fix is staggered $7.1 million.
[41:00] We don't have that money and we looked at an option where we would internally try to raise the highway fund.
[41:20] We wouldn't have gotten down for 12 or 15 years and we have serious issues with sections of the road.
[41:28] We explored, following a 30-year bond for $7.1 billion dollars, and that the fix is what
[41:42] the long expire, or at least still would be paying off the 30-year bond.
[41:48] So we explored a bank loan, and we also explored a helping with the bond in agencies.
[42:00] The state of the month, the bond bank.
[42:04] Okay.
[42:04] Thank you.
[42:07] So what we're talking about tonight is not the select one.
[42:12] A very important item is to select for it does not have the authorization to go out for a moment.
[42:21] What we're talking about tonight is a vote to put on the November election ballot of both for the town to approve or disapprove that bond.
[42:37] And the hope would be that we can get the approval and part of what we are doing with
[42:46] the preliminary steps to assure that the Vermont Bonbank to assure them that the town
[42:56] has physically has their business in order, so we have to sort of make sure our credit
[43:06] So I think that's a high level and John, what do I, no, I think you're actually, yeah, these are two actions that are needed to take place tonight.
[43:16] So we can say I'm scheduled to for the bond vote to come side in November, general election.
[43:23] I'd be happy to open it up to the questions.
[43:25] I quit running a planet because I thought I had seen in the notes that you were requesting
[43:33] that when it's a bond application to be $3 million each to the project, it's $1.4, $7.4,
[43:43] the answer to that. But they might be mistaken. I think the idea in
[43:53] some cash that we have
[43:59] right. And next year, if everything goes well, we'll knock off all the worst sections of
[44:05] the most dangerous sections, and we'll do some of the next level down the most moderately
[44:10] damage sections. So then, you know, we're in a position that over a time, you know, we can accumulate
[44:17] some more cash and then tackle another chunk of the project. So we'll be a one-year project,
[44:22] but it'll be, you know, a free, boy or project.
[44:28] The other sort of, I'm trying to think of the clever phrase, but the other issue, none of us know the answer to, but we're all hoping to hear our answers soon, is the education property types.
[44:43] In my comment earlier in the meeting,
[44:48] what is at 81, 82 percent of our tax is the school tax.
[44:55] None of us are against the school, but the funding...
[45:00] That has to change and we're hoping that it will change. And we have a timeline where you praise all in 2030. So those two items should bring us some tax relief is what we're hoping.
[45:20] But for all of your question, it's a good one, because once we have the bond and once
[45:29] we have the money, then we have an instrument for us as four categories of the partner
[45:34] picture of the engineers, the employees, the civic staff, the city, what the subsurface
[45:40] was, and we know, essentially, rough, rough costs for each of those bad, semi-bad, and there's
[45:54] only a little bit of good, good. There's more than a little bit of edgy.
[46:00] I'll just sit
[46:00] quick story, which, at the end of the year, have been living here for a while. I used a travel
[46:08] from Rose Road, El Trait from Road, and went north of the Harbour Pritchie Road, to head toward
[46:15] Hanoville. I worked at Dartmouth College for 35 years. One morning, I got down to the
[46:24] Harbour Pritchie Road, and there were starting the grave, the road between Trait from the Clay Hill.
[46:34] And when I came home, it was paved, and that is what we were paying for right now, that there's no sub-structure whatsoever under the road.
[46:48] And we've done the right thing in town, but we've always been a little too thrifty and not really been going to address some of those issues.
[46:58] Well, let's come home and we really need to fix it correctly this time, including the
[47:04] substructure, which is end-drainage, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is,
[47:08] we're doing it.
[47:10] The other issue we're confronted with, so we had an initial study done by Pathways in 2024.
[47:18] 24.
[47:19] 24.
[47:21] And they gave us a private estimate to fix the row of, remember, six, six, one, one,
[47:29] Two years later, we're up to $7 million dollars, so for every year we need to lay, trying to fix this
[47:36] road to cost, keep escalating, but it's not going to get any cheaper,
[47:44] and this has been an issue for 20 years with
[47:51] blackboards and you know it's it's just it's getting close to where someone is going to
[47:57] get hurt. During the during the initial assessment they did thawering with other road and
[48:05] they found 18 inches of paper. So all we kept doing is whether it's dipped where you can see
[48:12] the rocks in the road instead of repairing it's could the ruts is due to the as Jim said
[48:18] that base is they just paid over it and you know it's it's it's it's it's it's it's not it's not a
[48:26] remedy it's just a bandaid so we we thought and thankfully thought we just have to go to the
[48:34] voters now and and do this we have to do this we wish we somehow you know somebody else would take over
[48:43] I know over the weekend there's a lot of there's a number of people asking if the state of
[48:49] Ramakwatek over the road, if people may be following things, the state of Ramak, agency
[48:55] and transportation is $50 million in the fold themselves, they're laying off personnel, you know,
[49:01] this just isn't, they're not going to take it, they wouldn't take it even if they had a lot of money.
[49:06] You know, Senator White spoke when she spoke to a separate town meeting in this past year.
[49:13] It said the same thing.
[49:14] You know, it was that they don't have enough money to fix the failing purchase on the
[49:18] interstate and so on.
[49:21] I brought the hold on one moment.
[49:22] I want to make sure that part of what the passing tonight will be calling for a town meeting
[49:34] on October the same. That will be warned, and that will be a presentation, just a set of
[49:46] those seated opinions that I just gave you in the history of where we've been. We'll
[49:49] go through what we did. We'll talk about the options we explored and how we arrived at this
[49:57] particular option.
[49:58] Okay, and we'll make sure that the reports that were done by Pathway through, I just checked
[50:03] they're not online.
[50:05] You know, it's, it's very, it's, there was online, it's very big, but we can probably
[50:11] probably find a way to, you know, so put it up there.
[50:14] We want to see what the reports are in there, right?
[50:17] Okay, one real quick question, and this other one gave cover to me, but how much of this
[50:25] It is a pretty cold words and dishes for the laws that came out after my reading for safety.
[50:36] You know, is that a portion of this?
[50:40] Is it a portion of the 7.4 million?
[50:42] Yes.
[50:43] It is a nominal amount of the 7.4 million.
[50:50] If I make one quick comment, I don't envy you guys with this.
[50:54] You know, it's time to write, I mean we've had previous time managers that were fructy and, you know, years later it's come back and it's a problem, you know, what it comes to the state part of it.
[51:06] So, not jealous of what you guys are at, and the message you're about to deliver, however one thing that I haven't internet about, I know you guys are trying to be crushed on it.
[51:16] cautious about what the money the town is spending, but I pray God that the other entities in
[51:26] the town, the Brexit,
[51:30] the buildings, the library, don't get short-change or trying to
[51:34] level fund this, because the detriment of the other groups in this town. And I understand the
[51:40] you know, you grow up excellent. Yeah. Yeah. That's been in any sort of mix. Yeah.
[51:47] Maybe I have some work to get done in some of these companies. We'll talk about that. Yeah.
[51:52] And we don't want to do that. Yeah. And we're not going to be touching the reserve funds for hybrid trucks and for fire engines.
[51:59] So those have to stay as well.
[52:02] important.
[52:03] I'll put your touch on your touch on your ability and we're real dilemma.
[52:07] And again, I'm not jealous.
[52:09] Yeah.
[52:10] But I think our current trend is not to cut, but it's also spin-responsible.
[52:16] So I think even in this building, we have a less staff here this year than we had
[52:22] a year ago, even two years ago.
[52:24] So it's matter of making sure that we're right-sized, spinning efficiently.
[52:30] And making sure that we have money in the bank for the emergencies, right, and to go in my parents.
[52:37] Okay.
[52:38] Are there any questions on one?
[52:39] There's a number of questions on that.
[52:40] Do I have to handle the list of the reports?
[52:42] Yes, sure.
[52:42] Got it.
[52:43] Just a couple of comments.
[52:46] Just for the first round of round?
[52:47] Yes, thank you.
[52:50] The bond you refer to, what is the interest of that bond?
[52:55] More to, right now it's just about 5%.
[52:59] You know, thanks.
[53:02] I don't know.
[53:03] I mean, bodies have drawn up dramatically.
[53:05] Since we took off the bonds of the three corners of the section.
[53:08] And they do, through the course of bond, they generally do rebates.
[53:12] So they discount it.
[53:14] It's not the interest rate, but you'll get a discount.
[53:19] So if you're referring back to your story of the road, maybe one of the road
[53:27] to be a great thing to come back and it's vague.
[53:30] I remember that I thought it was 30 years ago.
[53:33] I've never been any consideration into simply returning
[53:38] a creature road from gravel road,
[53:41] come down all the through traffic,
[53:43] and a lot of it's very life speed traffic.
[53:47] And it grows the drainage issues on the cold.
[53:50] So, about a gravel road, it's got to be less than something
[53:52] than it does.
[53:53] So, there are a number of options
[53:56] we're considered, that being one of them, and at the town meeting on October 5th, we will
[54:03] kind of toss on all of the options that we're considered.
[54:07] You know, I've never peeped with, I'll be watching a Monday night football event or something,
[54:19] and it would be an ad for, I should be careful here, cheap charity or out of here or something.
[54:25] And the whole family is kind of going up to kill the jarrel in their Jeep and they make it and pull out and have a blissful camping episode.
[54:35] I think part of why I would not want to go to dirt.
[54:40] I don't think people are going to slow down that aren't going to slow down.
[54:44] They're so insulated by modern cars that they think they can come off the other state.
[54:51] and go a little bit slower at 55, and we say, again, it's off topic, but I'm just, we see speeds, and I was happy on the way down to have a robust take, please, but past me, I quickly looked at my speed, and thank goodness, who was, you know, 48, never, never, never.
[55:14] Just 20 years you've been to the challenges of that road.
[55:18] As a result of Stephen.
[55:24] I certainly aware of the one.
[55:26] And I still look at the tree where that person hit.
[55:29] I'm not putting you down.
[55:31] Okay.
[55:32] Thank you.
[55:34] I like.
[55:35] Online.
[55:36] There are a number of questions.
[55:38] Let's go.
[55:43] So, first question, please explain the plan if the bond is not passed.
[55:52] We'll scramble and have to go back to one of the other options, but at this point, I think we don't know what the plan is.
[56:03] It's quite possible that we have to delay earlier.
[56:07] The cost goes up and we take it to the top and it makes it hard.
[56:11] The reason we're trying to get to the November General Election is to give us time if the bond is not passed to revisit the budget that would be in the middle of being put together.
[56:25] Mark and Edward call us up my head.
[56:28] The tax impact if the bond passes for $100,000.
[56:31] 20,000.
[56:32] And I think it was $42.00 per 100,000,000.
[56:37] Well, I don't have the number in front of us, but we just talked about the last meeting,
[56:41] and we can challenge your, is it in that?
[56:45] Well, let's get us, let's talk about the first on 50 years.
[56:50] that annual 95, 95 dollars and 10 cents per $100,000 of assessed value on the proposed 28 budget.
[57:06] The next question, have we modeled the alternatives to doing the entire construction project?
[57:11] Once, again, we will talk about this at the actualwefith.townmeeting.
[57:17] What specific data do we have that justifies doing this now?
[57:21] I think that we have an engineering report that shows that the road is in severe condition and
[57:28] continuing to deteriorate, we did fast in year.
[57:33] This is a speed issue or a crash accident issue.
[57:40] There's a public safety concern.
[57:43] Okay.
[57:43] That's it.
[57:57] Yes.
[57:58] It is louder
[58:07] section, I mean it just seems like it's a game, you see how fast people can go.
[58:12] I'd love to see it during the end.
[58:14] I know that this is really made sense in the scheme of things, but I write my bicycle only on their roads,
[58:21] because they're the safest roads in town.
[58:25] We have to get to them, but unfortunately the roof floor and some of the other roads are more deadly than ever.
[58:33] And there's no room for a bicycle, there's no room for a runner.
[58:36] My wife has just run off the road, on which you go, just don't yell here, just past our house this weekend by somebody with a trailer that delivered we did not head over for her.
[58:49] Speed in town is absolutely ridiculous and I'm fearing that having that road and making it better is only going to supercharge that.
[58:57] Right, so that was key to that.
[58:59] I can't resist everywhere in town.
[59:01] I cannot.
[59:03] So, I'll just say it's two things, right?
[59:07] You know, when we do the options,
[59:09] you might change your mind about bringing it back to dirt,
[59:11] and see how expensive that is.
[59:13] And those are making the situation, right?
[59:15] So, really, two separate issues.
[59:17] One is public safety, so that we have a road
[59:20] where people are not going to get hurt if they're being responsible.
[59:23] The second is an enforcement issue,
[59:25] which we have, you know, the ability to put a sheriff on that road
[59:29] Right, so it's the product, a lot of five of you need a different thing and that right now.
[59:33] Yeah, we've got a lot to do.
[59:34] Or a time manager can, you know,
[59:37] Or also, there's some of the lives on it dirt road and it happens to be sort of a straight away.
[59:43] I go wild, that helps out.
[59:44] People go.
[59:46] I mean, they're going 40 miles an hour by my house.
[59:50] I already beat cows.
[59:52] We have come bringing them back and forth across the road all the time.
[59:55] It's just the couple. I will now we go.
[1:00:02] Speed is, as Phil said, card is so well constructed and so on. People just drive fast. It was in a hurry.
[1:00:12] So I would just try to keep it two separate. Let's make the roads safe.
[1:00:16] Yeah, and let's do something else.
[1:00:19] We have, you know, as you know, I'm not an active cyclist right now, I hope to be back in that, and I don't feel it safe on the Quitchie Road, cycling any longer, but also the Quitchie Road, we just, I don't know how we would widen that.
[1:00:40] who's just forgetting and protecting people's property and when you get just North
[1:00:45] of the South of Webster and you know it's just bad rock.
[1:00:52] I'm not necessarily just, I'm not necessarily a poor white man, but we cannot, we're just
[1:00:56] talking about it.
[1:00:57] If you're just getting a little slower, they would be white.
[1:01:00] It would be white.
[1:01:00] It would be white.
[1:01:01] It would be white.
[1:01:03] It would be white.
[1:01:04] I don't know where it's going to be.
[1:01:05] I'm going to trust on the speed issues that are everywhere.
[1:01:08] I'm going to introduce you to the short discussion on this,
[1:01:12] to something I told you about.
[1:01:14] I hope to encourage people from the 1960s.
[1:01:17] They may only go.
[1:01:19] But I think that you have to put that out there.
[1:01:22] This is now the short part of your board of 25.
[1:01:25] And have at least,
[1:01:30] and hopefully, usually it's the worst at certain times of day.
[1:01:33] And the way we work, and we won't work, I mean, there's a new economy, so people are in
[1:01:40] right now.
[1:01:42] Certainly, yeah, specific times that you ask me to be pleased to have the share of people.
[1:01:48] The panel disparage, at least a few of the individuals, but it's a share.
[1:01:54] Yeah, and I think that's going to be a future agenda.
[1:01:56] That is one.
[1:01:57] There's a few of them.
[1:01:58] It's enforcement.
[1:02:02] There's two comments online that I'll just answer a quick.
[1:02:07] Heather Ben Traffich says it's a show where the traffic is originating the origin of the traffic is somewhat
[1:02:12] irrelevant.
[1:02:13] We have a public day at the issue on a town of the road.
[1:02:16] Why is it increasing chipping in?
[1:02:18] We're talking about the part in the PC road that exists in part in the domain.
[1:02:28] We have a contract with the state please end with the ridiculous kind of sheriff's office.
[1:02:32] I've seen the sheriff at the very least, but I've not seen the state police.
[1:02:39] Yeah, we have two.
[1:02:41] We have two.
[1:02:41] If not three state police have to live in town.
[1:02:46] And I think one was going home when I was coming down, you know, but it would be correct.
[1:02:54] The state police covered just hard to do.
[1:02:57] I'm sure.
[1:02:58] In the town hospital.
[1:02:59] Why is he in your mouth?
[1:03:01] Okay.
[1:03:01] Sorry.
[1:03:02] We do have the account.
[1:03:02] We have three contracts on birth and agencies.
[1:03:06] Okay.
[1:03:06] Then I think let's move on.
[1:03:08] for motion. Well, let's talk first about the approval morning to call the special
[1:03:14] town meeting on November 5th. There's two separate issues. There's two separate
[1:03:22] issues. There's two separate actions here. Do you have to sign the necessity resolution?
[1:03:27] I'm sorry. That's actually one. Let's do a motion. I make a motion that we approve
[1:03:35] in sign of necessity, resolution for the select board for the town,
[1:03:41] our hunt to do a roadbath, or the Quigier Road for the Quigier Road.
[1:03:47] I'm so excited to hear you.
[1:03:49] All separate.
[1:03:52] All the favors here.
[1:03:54] All right.
[1:03:54] All right.
[1:03:55] All right.
[1:03:55] All right.
[1:03:56] All right.
[1:03:56] All right.
[1:04:06] So there's just a, just like video around the first of the year every year this is the warning for this special town meeting.
[1:04:13] So the article, which I can read if you would like to fill, which would be up for vote.
[1:04:20] the town of Hartland be authorized to issue general obligation bonds in an amount not to exceed
[1:04:25] $3 million for the purpose of making repairs, upgrades, and improvements to the town's highway,
[1:04:31] known and identified as squeegee road, TH2, such repairs, upgrades, and improvements currently
[1:04:37] estimated to cost $7,444,725.
[1:04:44] And again, the information, that's legal. That is the legal
[1:04:48] language that for the warning.
[1:04:50] Okay, so we've got a proof line.
[1:04:52] By our bond attorney.
[1:04:54] By our bond attorney.
[1:04:55] Okay.
[1:04:56] And again, the informational meeting will be held on October 5th, which is the first
[1:05:01] money in October at 5.30, and we'll do it upstairs, just like we do for
[1:05:06] time meeting.
[1:05:10] There's a question, can the meeting be later, so people working can go like 6 p.m.
[1:05:15] I think the meeting would start.
[1:05:18] The two reasons that I chose it to start at 5.30, one, that's what time the board normally meets,
[1:05:25] so it's a routine, people are aware that meetings begin at 5.30 in town.
[1:05:30] So it's not a separate meeting, it's just part of it.
[1:05:33] No, this is a separate meeting, it's just a fully separate meeting.
[1:05:36] And two, given the project, I anticipate it being a longer meeting.
[1:05:42] So by starting half-hour earlier, it gives us time to not push into the nine o'clock hour.
[1:05:49] So, um, flexible. Should we start the select board meeting at 5, 30, do whatever business we need?
[1:05:55] We are not having a select board meeting on a silver fifth.
[1:05:59] We are, we are delaying out.
[1:06:02] So, until the next meeting. So, we are required to have the information meeting within 30 days of the, of the vote.
[1:06:09] Just a little different question.
[1:06:13] Do we need an extra select board meeting? I mean, it feels...
[1:06:17] Yeah, so we are jumping ahead a little bit, but yes, I think so I like to go home.
[1:06:24] So we will, so then the plan would be to then meet on Tuesday, the 13th for the first regular
[1:06:31] schedules like we're meeting on October 9th and again, so the fifth, I think it's like
[1:06:47] and seven, so you'll do other things.
[1:06:49] It's all right, it's all right, we have to prove this now.
[1:06:51] You have to prove this now, I'm sorry, I'm okay.
[1:06:54] Okay, so we need a motion, then, to approve.
[1:07:00] I mean, we're motion, and we approve the town of Harlem special
[1:07:04] town meeting, notice, for November 3rd, 2026,
[1:07:09] related to authoration to the country and to get authorization for the general public for a bond
[1:07:22] of $3 million for the creature of a second.
[1:07:30] With me, at home was, gives the stage mailing all the ballots with a general election. Correct.
[1:07:39] We kind of compelled to mail list ballot to all the heart members.
[1:07:46] We are not compelled to climb, but the question is to the select board on whether or not we would like to.
[1:07:53] There, it's not in the budget, it would push the elections budget over, but there is precedent
[1:08:02] we did it during COVID times by mailing ballots before it was required by law.
[1:08:09] We already started to put together a postcard mailing that we hope to get out tomorrow.
[1:08:15] This is going on to voters this morning.
[1:08:19] No, it's going to be no bad.
[1:08:20] the morning will be on the ballot. So the notification of voter is that this is just
[1:08:26] this meeting on the first. The meeting on the fifth and again we were, we've already started
[1:08:32] putting together a postcard which I hope to get in the mail tomorrow so folks had that prior to the
[1:08:36] fifth giving them just the notification that there's a meeting happening. Again the timeline's
[1:08:42] very compressed here. So, could we do it? I mean, how much does it cost to do?
[1:08:49] Dad, Dad, do we have the money to do it? Yes, can we do it? Yes. I think given what we're
[1:08:56] asking are the voters, the more voters we can get to participate in this better. And I think
[1:09:01] absolutely vote. No, you're going to get more participation. I'm somebody coming on
[1:09:05] you're elected in your postcard. You can say pick up a ballot on such a such a date with the
[1:09:13] town offices. Yeah, people could do. We could have ballots here if they are not able to come
[1:09:20] on November 3rd. Or, but I would say that's a deep only process that exists today.
[1:09:28] Okay, great. But as of today, in the general election, everybody is getting a ballot in
[1:09:35] And what does that have to do?
[1:09:38] When are ballots, ballots that have been meant to?
[1:09:40] Now I think that it's not my vote state.
[1:09:42] The state sends out the General Luxembourg's vote.
[1:09:46] So it's already done.
[1:09:47] It's already done.
[1:09:48] So at this point, they would be getting a second ballot in the mail, which might be a little confusing.
[1:09:53] I think there's a link that's called the Postcard, the Florida and the Federal.
[1:09:57] And it's the second postcard, the one that's been posted.
[1:10:01] So the intent of the first postcard that we're hoping these monos to get people informed
[1:10:05] of the October 5th meeting.
[1:10:08] If we didn't want to do another mailer, it may not
[1:10:11] show birth for the general election.
[1:10:12] That's fine.
[1:10:13] These are $5, $600, piece of your mail.
[1:10:16] That's a bad idea.
[1:10:18] OK.
[1:10:18] OK.
[1:10:19] So we have a motion and a second.
[1:10:23] Hold the paper of sale.
[1:10:25] I motion passes.
[1:10:27] Thank you.
[1:10:29] I mean, what's the second?
[1:10:31] It's just something that's not the thing you've done.
[1:10:32] It's a number of things.
[1:10:33] I've got a key.
[1:10:40] I have the first one.
[1:10:42] I have the resolution.
[1:10:44] I need that.
[1:10:45] I need the sign warning.
[1:10:46] This is like
[1:10:54] we're in New oars.
[1:10:58] First one enough.
[1:10:59] Yes sir.
[1:11:01] That's so serious.
[1:11:02] That's so serious, I mean.
[1:11:05] That's so serious.
[1:11:08] What do we do?
[1:11:09] I don't have one myself, I don't have any of my dear friends in general men in this sort of
[1:11:16] small roles. Moving on to the Pumper Tank Agreement and the Vermont Municipal Loan
[1:11:23] Application. Correct, you'll recall a few months back we have proved the purpose of a
[1:11:29] Pumper Tanker for the fire department. I think the total cost was somewhere in the 560,000
[1:11:35] range, using all of the available fire equipment apparatus reserve funds, we are short
[1:11:43] about $210,000, which we knew when we approved that purchase. This is a loan application,
[1:11:51] counting this is a perfect. Counting this is still $210,000. This is an application
[1:11:58] to the Vermont Municipal Equipment and Vehicle Loan Fund. You can get up to $150,000 at
[1:12:04] two percent interest. So this is I'll fill out just a motion to, we have authorized me to send
[1:12:11] this in. They need in the middle of October to issue awards. So again, we're, so this
[1:12:18] is not guaranteed. This is not guaranteed and it still leaves us about $60,000 short. We could,
[1:12:25] there's an all the other drains that we need here.
[1:12:29] We have a salary of March, but 26 to pay for it.
[1:12:34] 26, 26, 27, 27, 27, 25,
[1:12:40] 25, so the voters know
[1:12:43] how are we going to pay off this note?
[1:12:48] It'll be, this payment would be added to the budget.
[1:12:52] Okay.
[1:12:55] You're going to miss what's the length of talking?
[1:12:56] Five years.
[1:12:57] Five years.
[1:13:01] Okay.
[1:13:03] These are the motions.
[1:13:05] I'll make a motion that we approve,
[1:13:11] municipal equipment, and be able to have a long
[1:13:13] fund application for commercial 2,000 gallon tanker for our flight of flight of parliament.
[1:13:23] Is there a second?
[1:13:24] Oh, second.
[1:13:25] So if you choose, I just want to support this question.
[1:13:28] I just, again, want to be on the record
[1:13:30] because they really need to work closely
[1:13:33] with the fire department on future purposes.
[1:13:36] As these, this equipment keeps increasing in cost,
[1:13:39] we just can't afford it on some of these settings.
[1:13:43] And so we fully support the fire department,
[1:13:48] but I think we need to try to come up with a new paradigm
[1:13:51] I'm how we use equipment and things like this as costs, especially for fire, if I ever had a staff for us, it's just gyroctic and they have to also it takes forever.
[1:14:03] It's a piece of revenue.
[1:14:04] But I don't know.
[1:14:07] This is tough stuff.
[1:14:10] Any other comments?
[1:14:13] There's a little favor.
[1:14:17] Thank you.
[1:14:19] Thank you.
[1:14:20] John, we're in the term to you for the term manager.
[1:14:23] Sure.
[1:14:24] So, we talked about the postcard mailing already.
[1:14:30] The assessor assistant position is open and posted.
[1:14:32] We've gotten a few resumes through the posting on Indeed.
[1:14:35] It also went out.
[1:14:36] It's on the website and through the Vermont Association of Listers and Accessors.
[1:14:41] We changed the job ad from an assessor to an assessor assistant
[1:14:45] after meeting with our contract to assessor Nimrak right now.
[1:14:50] We need somebody in the office who can start and work independently.
[1:14:56] So that's what we're working on finding right now.
[1:15:00] We recently switched our water testing contractor, and did some sampling work at both the REC and activity center.
[1:15:12] There were a few minor deficiencies found, but the new operator is working to resolve those with the agency net resources.
[1:15:22] We continue. The road crew has been consistently cleaning up trash at the corner of the five in Gilson Road.
[1:15:31] It's been going out for a long time, so B.G.I. are trying to figure out how to meet with B.
[1:15:37] Trans, we can find a solution.
[1:15:39] Do you essentially remove that big parking area that was created when RUFIM was redone?
[1:15:45] I think that's the easy opportunity for folks to stop and throw trash over the bank there.
[1:15:54] Speaking of Gilsen Road, the section of Gilsen Road between Mount Hunger and RUFIM is starting
[1:16:01] a collapse in. And one idea to look at it because it would be a very expensive repair, because
[1:16:10] it's lengthy, would be to just create two dead end roads, so Gilson Road would stop that
[1:16:18] melt hunger, and then we would just use Jersey various other mechanisms to prevent traffic there,
[1:16:25] and then after the first that there's four dryways on the left,
[1:16:30] They've been coming out from move five to block it up there and essentially let that middle section of
[1:16:35] Wilson Road where there's no houses go and let that bank continue to be road.
[1:16:43] It's an option, it's a little traffic headache, but I think the repair to that section of road is going to be costly.
[1:16:55] Who is a culvert failure?
[1:16:57] It's a bank stabilization issue.
[1:17:02] So we are looking at it.
[1:17:04] We are aware of that it's an issue, but we'll talk to the fire department.
[1:17:08] You know, it creates a headache for plot routes,
[1:17:10] you know, and for folks who use that as a cutoff to get down the roof five to go north.
[1:17:15] So.
[1:17:16] And then that's it.
[1:17:27] You know.
[1:17:29] Thank you, Joe.
[1:17:31] future. Do not items include. I'm going to throw in the Quitchie Road. We're going to talk
[1:17:41] about the secure policy review. We have capital plan, the town of high-work policy, and I don't
[1:17:48] pay for the return of the problem. And, let's do forget that by 28 budget. Actually, I chose not
[1:17:57] to mention. I'm sorry. Well, you know, I'm not sure if you're aware. It's not out there.
[1:18:03] And you're just the clerk, it's our total vote.
[1:18:06] Yes, it's me.
[1:18:07] The 12th of the 19th.
[1:18:09] You're meaning that the select board is meaning that not the 12th.
[1:18:13] I believe it's the 13th.
[1:18:15] It's the 12th of the 12th.
[1:18:16] Yeah.
[1:18:18] So Tuesday the 13th, Monday the 19th.
[1:18:21] October 5th will be the special sound meeting.
[1:18:26] Okay John, do we have any concerns?
[1:18:29] There are 10 of them.
[1:18:31] 5, 5, 13, 19, 5, 13, 19, all at 5 30 p.m.
[1:18:35] Go play keynote.
[1:18:41] Okay, John was already corresponding.
[1:18:43] No, of course.
[1:18:45] Okay.
[1:18:46] We do have an executive session.
[1:18:50] Sorry, Phil, can I interrupt?
[1:18:51] There was a comment earlier.
[1:18:53] After the discussion, it was received post-aid online.
[1:18:57] The original, let me,
[1:19:01] the two reverse harboring reps of appointment was an agenda meeting item.
[1:19:05] Can someone from the slide court explain why they're not voting or making a decision based on the,
[1:19:11] based on what talk him and ask tonight?
[1:19:17] I'm more in one week.
[1:19:18] So this was just a statement made by an individual.
[1:19:24] Well, I think if we're going to take that dramatic step
[1:19:28] of removing the primary mission or two rivers
[1:19:34] that we should talk to two rivers out of which
[1:19:38] the executive committee and do our own due diligence
[1:19:42] on this.
[1:19:44] And just take action like that based upon the testimony
[1:19:49] of a single individual and a third response
[1:19:52] I don't know, they're going to fail.
[1:19:56] No. Okay. Okay.
[1:19:59] We have a mayor of Canable request.
[1:20:02] So we need to enter into the section.
[1:20:05] Thank you everyone for coming.
[1:20:10] Yeah, I'll make the motion.
[1:20:11] I'd like to make the motion.
[1:20:11] I'd like to make the motion.
[1:20:12] I'd like to make the motion.
[1:20:15] I'll second the motion.
[1:20:17] All in all the papers.
[1:20:18] I want to.
[1:20:21] Okay. We're back in open meeting.
[1:20:24] And then I will make a motion, so I'll throw out the time and you're just going up to
[1:20:33] $1,000 to cover a Merit Campbell request.
[1:20:37] I'll second that motion.
[1:20:39] Any discussion?
[1:20:41] All in favor of say on it?
[1:20:43] Aye.
[1:20:45] Which agenda motion to adjourn?