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I don't. Actually got a need for a chair right here.

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These guys are really comfortable. Yeah.

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I'll move.

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A little personal for somebody else.

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Yeah, for sure.

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I'm just sitting down.

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How's your day going?

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No changing? No.

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Last time there was a little concern about the camera. Yeah, I saw.

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But this,

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I don't know. Just been in here. Been here all the time.

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But if they change it also.

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Oh, Pete.

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John.

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Yeah.

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Well, that we went to

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well.

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March, we're late March when it was up.

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They got everything in sync.

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Which bar? They changed the name, but they didn't change the food that much. Yeah.

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Yes.

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Hello.

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Hi.

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Come on in.

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We've seen it. Call it. We'll email it once. Yeah, months ago.

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I wonder what happened to the other one. Really appreciate you.

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Oh, it's from the email from Maggie.

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True, yes.

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Yeah. We've been letting it out. She told you just to-

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She said

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that was different.

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Hey, there. How are you?

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Good, I think.

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Which is a lot better.

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I think was the point.

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Yeah.

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Is it?

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Is this the one you say? I think so. No, I just joined.

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Oh, so the one that's here. Oh.

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Oh,

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I lost it. No, it's year six. Terminated.

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So it went.

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Oh, good.

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How are you?

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Hi. Yeah, people out.

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Oh, you're fine. You're fine. Unless you want to be seen on Zoom because they can't

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see you there.

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Oh, that's perfect.

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That's perfect. We can see right there.

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Yeah. I feel like it's... Chat

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up. Yeah, it's actually on the agenda or...

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No, we can maybe-

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No, we didn't. Yeah.

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Perhaps there's-

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Partners.

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Well, no, we can do that because-

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I'll do that every six months. Oh, before calling. No, you just keep him waiting.

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Sorry, you'll probably have to wait till probably see my house.

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When they introduce.

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Or somebody on this call. The noise.

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But we also do that with similar, but I think it's just called

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deadline. No, it's another, similar thing.

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But I'll have to fill out a submission form.

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Yeah, you can email yourself. I wish

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I know.

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I'll see.

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Okay.

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No.

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Nice having you doing a place like this.

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Yeah, right?

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True.

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So

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they changed. They don't.

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So you haven't. No, the whole company.

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So don't care too much as long as they get my money, but...

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Any questions?

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Uncle Grabby's probably be interested more. I don't know.

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He's not here. We'll

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throw down basketball.

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Oh, no.

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Yeah, well, I've seen that record down in the court, though.

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Oh, that's us. Laura talked about that.

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I took a picture of the man on the power.

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He didn't understand what

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I was doing. Other jobs. No. Senator Kennedy.

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No, that's not ringing any bells. No, I'm not.

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That's after Kennedy. No. All

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right. And they had the argument with each other. Yeah.

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So I wasn't

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that

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busy with them. It was, it was something.

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The next morning, I was out

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there with the barber, and I felt the truck, and Byron did not get down.

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That was 7:00 in the morning. I took another chance. Yeah.

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Byron showed up at $12,000. Anyway, $2,000 under

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all the personal items.

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Okay. He hauls smarter. Wow. I'm almost positive that's honest.

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Because you're just able to see.

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Right. It's very difficult.

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Or I share it usually, 100 seconds.

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So it could include that. Yeah.

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Oh, but it's probably less people to share it

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with.

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Imagine what?

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I like spots.

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Get on with it. Oh, Dean. You're in a city now. I'm figuring.

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No, we can't sell the phone. I heard this community center, another big one out

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here, so stop by. And I'm not playing. I'll pay my fair share.

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That's a mess. Oh, the council never knew it.

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Yeah, they said, "I might be out here."

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But it's not her. It's not.

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She's the only one supposed to.

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Yes, you can see there's a lot of

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just...

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It's a really hard one there. So we kind of transition from normal.

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What's the drive like?

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Might have to substitute a circular drive and all that can be changed with-

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Yeah

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... my own set of time for Charles. My brother said, "I want to get out there, but

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it's not." He's almost done. I was like, "No."

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So it's longwinded.

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And it's an early house. So the doors and

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small. A lot of his money goes directly to the bottom now, to

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riches.

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Well, then teach for a second. We haven't had-

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Yeah, because him and basically all the nationals.

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I got by the name of the sensors in the clear board.

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Churchill stuff?

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's all starting church on the car and stuff like that.

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You still got that book?

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That would

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be

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good.

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Thank you.

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Let's go right in. No.

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Okay.

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Good.

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I did legal torches.

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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real

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thing, just everybody knows, if you want to speak at the public hearing, make sure

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to sign in a few days. If you sign in this week, you're right spelling your

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name.

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You want me to write your name so that...

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I would have except that I left you to do it of choice.

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Questions.

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Wait,

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they had to. They didn't launch the-

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My sister

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said

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This kind.

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This is not easy to talk about, so-

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Please.

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Can

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we get some of those chairs? We won't

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get the

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chairs.

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Yeah, I don't know where you're going to find space, but good luck.

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I don't mind hiding in the back room.

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Thank you.

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It's a lot.

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Okay, Tom Harder.

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Next.

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James Stevenson.

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We do solemnly swear that we will support and defend the Constitution of the United

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States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that we will bear true

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faith and allegiance to the same; that we will obey the orders of the President of

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the United States of America, and that we will well and faithfully discharge the

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duties of the office on

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which we are about to enter.

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So help us God.

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I hope very much. Yep.

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All right. Make a

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motion to close the meeting, object to public hearing.

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Do we have the assignment sheet all set up? Anybody want to speak?

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Still going on.

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Okay.

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Oh, sorry.

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We

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can close the meeting, yeah.

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I move that we close the meeting and open .

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Yes.

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We have somebody from the company.

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You want to give a little presentation to the public, please?

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Yeah, of course.

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Hello, everybody. My name is Tom Gandhi, and thank you all for coming, and welcome

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all the comments and the feedback today.

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I wanted to give a little bit of background of the Lake Oasis project and where it

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came from, my history and experiences, and from here.

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A little backstory, I got to know Boonton Town and this area starting in

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2008. The area grew, thank God, but I grew up in the village.

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We got married downtown and then over the golf course, et cetera, in 2008.

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I've been coming up here every year or two ever since. Really enjoy the area.

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I've got to know the people in the community.

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Back in the '80s, 1988, my in-laws acquired a piece of property

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over in Arving, which is kind of the genesis of this whole thing.

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I acquired from the in-laws in 2019, and the following year,

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May 2019, we've been able to acquire a couple of the adjacent properties as well.

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So accumulatively, three adjacent properties have been put together.

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Thought a lot about what could be done,

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what I think the community could use and benefit from, and what I could

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further bring to the community. And we thought obviously with the

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location being near the James Park and what not, it's definitely right, the land is

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right for the hospitality type project.

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Question that I really spent a lot of time and I talked to a lot of people about as

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far as what that would that look like. Could it be campground? Could it be RVs?

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Could it be a hotel, things like that.

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But where we landed, based on a lot of feedback, a lot of discussion, conversations

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and stuff, is this idea of campground, RV campers, that

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allows people to have a nice place to stay, especially those Dreams Park visitors.

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But also integrates the outdoors, integrates community,

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in a way that a hotel or something like that wouldn't accommodate for.

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So, this is the plan that we've opened together. A little bit of backstory.

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I have here my design engineering team from W&L Consulting and

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our traffic consultant, Gordon Ganzert at Sands Reg.

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And so that's the deal.

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Welcome Matt Averill.

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Just to get into some details. Again, my name's Matt Averill. I'm a site engineer.

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I've spent my career doing site design work throughout the New England

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area. I started my company in 1998 in Manlius, New York.

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So I have

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provided site design services for all types of projects

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throughout Upstate New York for the past 28 years.

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Far reached out to us with regards to this concept of restraints.

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And we have essentially, in all kinds, gives her the flip of this,

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get the nuts and bolts of the overall design, and then we can open the public

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hearing. But I think it's always good to present the project so everyone's aware of

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what the project is and what our goals are and where we have been through the,

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what we call the due diligence process.

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And that due diligence process is bringing in other regulatory agencies that will

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have jurisdictional approval for a project such as this.

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So, just to give orientation to what we're dealing with, Route 28

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sits off here on the right side of the page.

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We're literally right across the street from Dreams Park.

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The main entry, the signalized entry to Dreams Park is further to the

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north, just off this board itself.

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The subject site is

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a hillside subject site. The development piece here is

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what's called 76 park model RVs, and these particular

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units are prefabricated, will be brought to the site, set on

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a base foundation,

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from which services will be provided as far as electric,

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water hookup, and sanitary sewer service to each facility, each one of these

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units. Beyond that, with regards to the network of this overall layout, and

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as far as said, developing a community layout.

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But as well, if you're familiar with the site, it is sloping from the

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east to the west, and the overall layout here is have a terrace look on that side

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hill, such that the lower units and then the next tier of units will look over the

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top and still get the vista of the ball fields and the park to the

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east. And then the next row will do the similar thing.

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So it's a terrace look, if you can envision looking over, again, the

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valley, the vista, and the ball fields themselves.

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The park itself will have a lodge area, some recreational facilities.

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Right now we're envisioning a swimming pool type of entity.

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The access will include a-

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Entry gate type of facility so that people can check in such as they bring in.

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There will be amenities for the facility.

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We were going to provide, with those sewer hookups, a sanitary sewer

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discharge that will be reviewed and approved through the County Department of

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Health. As well, it will have its own well and water supply.

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We have brought on board Wade Varney and Varney Associates.

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Wade has, through his outfit, provided well drilling and

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services for, he said well over 20 type of well services

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along this corridor. Based on the sighting of our well, he's indicated he

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has no qualms or problem providing adequate water service for this development.

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To offset that, we have not drilled the well yet, but that's going to happen in the

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next two or three weeks. We'll have the actual quantity of the well water

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and the quality of that well water.

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But we're anticipating for the needs of this, that we would offset any of that

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water supply with a water storage vessel.

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That water storage vessel will balance the water demand and water needs so that

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the size of the development has no impact.

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And again, Department of Health will review all of that.

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With regards to where that well is proposed to be located, it will have

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zero drawdown or zero effect on any neighboring wells or communities.

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So public water supply, sanitary sewer is going to be provided in a couple

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locations. In the upper area, we've got a leach field system with an

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appropriate size septic tank. So the septic tank takes the solids out, and just

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like a smaller residential system, the leach field will take the gray water or the

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effluent and allow that to properly infiltrate through the ground in the soil, so

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it's not an adverse impact. My colleague, Deborah Fisher, is here.

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He was physically on the site three or four days now doing test pits and perk tests

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to make sure we have suitable depth to soil and suitable percolation infiltration

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rates of soil, so we have this smaller system.

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And then we have a larger system sitting here off the east side allowing gravity

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feed for that. So we've got

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the well water supply for the facility.

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We'll have appropriate subsurface sewage disposal or septic system for our

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discharge waste, and then we'll have electric supply for the units itself.

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I think with that, and I think

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we all understand the critical nature of the impact and what's happening up and

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down the corridor on Route 28. And as such, we recommended and

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agreed that we bring on a traffic consultant.

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And so I want to introduce Gordon Stansbury as our traffic consultant.

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Gordon's going to talk about his background and what he has done in his career, but

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as well, how his expertise is critical to analyzing the traffic

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impact of this work. So I'm going to turn it over to you, Gordon, if you could talk

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about that stuff.

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Good evening. My name is Gordon Stansbury, GTS Consulting.

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Just a quick background on myself. I am a traffic engineer through and through.

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Been doing this for just over 30 years.

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Started GTS Consulting in 2005, and I've completed roughly

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1,400 traffic studies throughout New York City in that time.

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The real point of the traffic study is to evaluate the impacts and coordinate with

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New York State DOT here, and then it's a state roadway on the potential access.

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So we completed a traffic study basically looking at far site access and the

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signalized access to Leeds Park. Collected data back in June when the park was in

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full operation, looking at the morning peak, the evening peak on a weekday, and

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then the midday peak on Saturday. In addition to traffic turning movement counts,

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we collected gap data on Route 28 passing the site driveway to actually time the

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gaps. We identify how many cars we turn in and out of the site during the peak

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hours. We looked at intersection sight distances to confirm that there's safe sight

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lines for ingress and egress. We reviewed accident history for the past three years

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to determine if there was any accident concerns in the area.

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We also

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collected spot speed data to look at operating speeds and then other operational

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data for capacity analysis.

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Overall, the signalized intersection to the north is operating at

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acceptable levels. We grade operations just like you're in school.

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It's A through F, or A through D is generally considered acceptable.

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E's and F, nobody really likes to see those on the report card.

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But all movements at the intersection are operating at Level of Service D or better

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during the peak hours today. Understand that there are

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periods where there's some significant congestion when there's a major overturn in

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the fields.

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During the peak hours or the commuter hours, that was not there.

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We did have a significant queue about an hour before the evening rush hour.

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But again, our driveway is located about 625 feet from the signal, so the

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queues have limited impacts on the driving access.

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Perfect.

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But usually after the presentation, we can look at the load.

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So just real quickly, accident history, there was very limited accident history in

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the area. We had three accidents over the past three

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years. So there's no significant accident concern in the area.

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Traffic generation is the big question.

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We use the IT Institute of Transportation Engineers Traffic Generation Manual

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industry standard for this type of use.

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We treated this as single-family detached housing, which is the highest

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residential generator compared to a campground or a hotel.

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Using the worst-case trip generation, we're estimating it will generate about 30 to

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40 cars entering and exiting during the peaks.

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The significant portion of that traffic would be driving to Greenfields,

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because we expect there will be significant use of the baseball

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visitors. So, I guess one of the things to think about is that 30 to 40

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cars coming in and out of the site is already coming to and from this area.

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If anything, we're keeping it closer to its destination versus traveling from

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further points. We did distribute the traffic to the driveway and the intersection.

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Overall, the amount of traffic that we're adding had no notable impact on those

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rates that we give the operations.

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The overall signalized intersection does drop from a Level of Service C to B or B

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to C, with an average increase of delay of one second.

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So the overall impact is minimal. We have good sight lines from the

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driveway that meet design standards.

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We have adequate gaps in traffic to accommodate the movements in and out of the

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site. And overall, as I said, no significant accidents.

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So the conclusion of the study is that there's no significant impact from this

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development on the operations at these stands today.

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I'm sure I'll get lots of questions.

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Thanks, Gordon. So I think with that, Mr.

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Chairman, that's our presentation.

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I know last month with the planning board, we got into some more detail with

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regards to those services I talked about, and as well, since that time,

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we submitted through Elise's office a complete stormwater pollution prevention plan

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for the impact with regards to stormwater.

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I got a hard copy of that as well, if it's four months out.

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But I think with the community here today, we're going to open it up to the

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public comment. Typically, how we like to address it is you as the chair and the

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board, we're going to answer your questions.

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We don't like to get into an open dialogue with the community.

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But if you say, Matt, Gordon, Carr, can you answer that question?

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We'll answer the board's question, if that's okay with you.

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Yeah. And our routine usually, just for everyone who's here, is to

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sign in if you would like to speak, and then you can ask your questions.

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I feel that our time would be best served if we listened to all the questions and

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then had the board ask questions directly.

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Okay.

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And we're certainly going to take notes.

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And then, however the board wants it, we can respond to those particular

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questions in writing at some point in time.

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But again, if some questions come up with the public and you would like us to

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immediately address, we'll do the best we can to.

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So again, just to kind of keep the, we don't want to get into us versus them type

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of conversation. We're here for you as the planning board, but as well, as Barb

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will tell you, we are an open book, and we're here to be a member of the community

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as well. So thank you very much, and we'll look for that.

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Okay. So next questions. We have a list.

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First person on the list.

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First person on the list.

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Is that the list?

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Oh, this is who thought they were supposed to sign it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. So the list.

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You'll start with the first person.

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So are we

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ready yet?

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Hmm?

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Do we have everybody on there that wants to be on there?

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We have everybody on there.

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Everybody.

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I think everybody signed in for themselves. Okay, John.

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Go for it.

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I just have two questions. One, how large is the reservoir going to be for the

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units, as far as the capacity for the water?

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And the second one is, the traffic study that everything has been done, that's the

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existing traffic that's there now.

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How much is taken into consideration with the additional traffic from this park?

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And as DOT addressed, the entrance from Old Spartan on 28 with that crest right

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there by the barn. If you get campers or coming in and out of there, that's a

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slight blind spot. So I want to know if somebody's addressed that issue rather than

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the track light 600 yards up the road.

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Okay. I might have more questions later, but...

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Okay. Next one.

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Bob McMurray.

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No real questions, just a statement.

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I wonder about the expansion of the existing Dreams Park.

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I've heard rumors that will expand.

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And if it does, on the Disney model, they'll have on-premise housing.

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So I think it's something we should consider.

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This all sounds good, but

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I'm not sure.

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I'll say there's nothing before us at this time.

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Oh, okay.

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Go ahead to the next.

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Amanda Powers.

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Mostly just, I'm concerned by the traffic.

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We all know that during the peak hours, as they say, when Dreams

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Park is first signing in, we all know the traffic backs up to way beyond Goeppond

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Road, and my concern is that I know that when I'm turning

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on and off of Goeppond Road, I stop at the top of the hill to turn because I don't

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want somebody coming over and slamming when they see me because they come over the

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hill too fast. With those cars backed up and lined up, I'm afraid of the impact

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that traffic will have on them.

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Daniel Powers.

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Well, among other things, I noticed this gentleman said that there is no real

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traffic actions there. I thought, you don't have any. You're looking to make it.

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Frankly, when you start adding a whole bunch of cars, well, the situation is not

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going to change.

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Whose EMPs and whose ambulance service is going to be taking care of that?

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Whose police, whose firemen, all right?

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He's going to have the solids pumped out. Who's paying for that?

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Where's it going? Who's taking care of it?

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You don't know. Okay. Dump it. All right. All that gray water.

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Not going to answer.

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Okay. Well, maybe that's the reason why.

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Oh, you got all that gray water. Where's that going to go?

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What's the impact on that going to be to the Susquehanna River?

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You want to tell me that's not going to leak anywhere at any time?

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As far as water goes, I've got it at somewhere near, let's see, 30,000 to 40,000

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gallons a day.

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Right? Now, I'm not sure what this

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thing here, you can talk about it, the

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water well vessel. I'm not sure what that means, but at some point, it still has to

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be filled. You're talking 30,000, 40,000 gallons going out there at some point.

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And, I know that last year, Millburg had to conserve water order round

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because they were getting so dry. They couldn't provide their own town.

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And you want to tell me that's not going to be the same aquifer, honestly?

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All right?

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We have no municipal water.

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You got to treat the wastewater somehow. You're going to drain the aquifer.

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All right? Now, you just got listed as 13 acres that you're going to

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develop, but there's 76 acres up there.

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Now, as I got it, I remember getting this battle years ago when Dreams Park came

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in. They wanted 90 fields. That's 90 fields. They got at least 24 now.

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And now they're talking about expanding again.

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How do we know with 76 acres at your disposal that you set up the precedent that

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this is possible, that there won't be 205 or 300 units up there?

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And how many families, local families who have paid money and put money into their

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houses, so they could have an apartment in the back, such as Carol Kessler, to help

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pay their mortgage. Or maybe grandma's room in the back or grandma's house out

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back. How many of those people are going to lose their income?

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So that one guy can come here and take it all away from them.

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This whole place started, they told us this would be a boom to the community.

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Everybody get a piece of it. Everybody has a little extra money.

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Our taxes would go down. Well, our taxes didn't go down.

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But the few people who are making something out of it right now are going to lose

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it. You're going to put 76 to start with, maybe as many as 203, 300 people out of

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business. Right?

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Oh, goodness. All right. So you got impermeable surfaces, 76 houses.

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Well, they're going to drop a rain going to blow the roof of that house.

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I'm pretty sure they're going to buy better houses than that.

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So you got an emergency spot, you've got driveways, you got roofs.

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All that water's going to go somewhere. Where?

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Right down the Susquehanna Street to Chesapeake Bay.

490
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:44,049
With oil and gasoline and stuff drip right through it.

491
00:43:44,619 --> 00:43:46,659
It's all leading to blue Chesapeake Bay where we're at.

492
00:43:48,759 --> 00:43:49,150
If you

493
00:43:50,589 --> 00:43:53,980
drain even one acre of wetlands,

494
00:43:55,749 --> 00:44:01,419
if you drain even one, you have to build three acres of wetlands somewhere else.

495
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:07,599
And I believe by law, you have to do that before you can start construction.

496
00:44:07,659 --> 00:44:10,929
It should take you about three years to make sure you got all your wetland stuff.

497
00:44:15,579 --> 00:44:20,663
I guess the big thing is going to be the cost to the community,

498
00:44:21,369 --> 00:44:27,159
right? If Goeppond Road gets used in any way, in any way,

499
00:44:27,939 --> 00:44:30,159
that's going to be up to the town of Hartford to pick that up.

500
00:44:30,939 --> 00:44:32,889
How about people walking across the highway there?

501
00:44:33,384 --> 00:44:36,384
They said, "Yeah, right directly across it." Right directly.

502
00:44:36,730 --> 00:44:39,069
What are the chances people ain't going to be crossing that road?

503
00:44:40,089 --> 00:44:42,489
I thought one or two of them get hit. See how that works out.

504
00:44:44,889 --> 00:44:50,169
They got it written here as 30, 40 cars at different times crossing that road.

505
00:44:50,349 --> 00:44:55,029
Well, you got 76 units up there. There's probably going to be at least 150 cars in

506
00:44:55,059 --> 00:44:55,509
there.

507
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:01,089
You know, you just...

508
00:45:03,279 --> 00:45:04,809
All right. That's enough for now.

509
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:07,314
Jean Marie.

510
00:45:07,884 --> 00:45:13,644
I'm concerned about the benefits of what the town will get from this, and

511
00:45:13,929 --> 00:45:19,809
the extra traffic, the water, the sewer,

512
00:45:19,959 --> 00:45:25,163
what it's going to add to that, the emergency levels, and the number of people that

513
00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:26,109
it's going to be plus.

514
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,609
Chris Barry.

515
00:45:31,269 --> 00:45:34,900
I know Par said that this would be a way to give back to the community.

516
00:45:34,989 --> 00:45:37,928
I'd really like to hear how this is going to benefit the community at all.

517
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:44,079
Mike Gladstone

518
00:45:44,889 --> 00:45:48,249
Just kind of touching on points that people have already made.

519
00:45:48,579 --> 00:45:53,439
And I'm really concerned about the economic impact to local campgrounds, local

520
00:45:53,529 --> 00:45:59,409
Airbnb, anything local. As far as I can tell, pretty much all the other

521
00:45:59,469 --> 00:46:01,314
campgrounds are still locally owned.

522
00:46:01,629 --> 00:46:04,494
Some of them might be behind an LLC, but still local ownership.

523
00:46:05,364 --> 00:46:10,929
This money, if he rents that, and what I found,

524
00:46:11,319 --> 00:46:15,144
there's one weekend where everything hits 100% utilization.

525
00:46:15,775 --> 00:46:19,449
There's campgrounds that are 100% utilization.

526
00:46:19,539 --> 00:46:24,879
The hotels seem to be around 80%, and the Airbnb seems to be in the 80% to

527
00:46:25,089 --> 00:46:29,379
85%. So there's still rooms available in the area most of the time.

528
00:46:30,578 --> 00:46:32,874
So from that standpoint, this isn't needed.

529
00:46:34,209 --> 00:46:40,179
And then, if he's going, after his own words, your notes

530
00:46:40,209 --> 00:46:44,319
from the last meeting, luxury resort-style accommodations.

531
00:46:45,249 --> 00:46:49,299
So I don't think his price point is going to be the basic room at the Holiday Inn.

532
00:46:49,869 --> 00:46:55,480
The basic room at the Holiday Inn, during peak season, is over $300 a

533
00:46:55,569 --> 00:47:01,134
night. You multiply that by the season, we're taking over a million-dollar

534
00:47:01,329 --> 00:47:06,489
chunk of the local economy and sending it to Texas. He's from Texas.

535
00:47:06,579 --> 00:47:09,699
He lives in Texas. The LLC is registered in Texas.

536
00:47:11,275 --> 00:47:14,319
And you're trading that for that development?

537
00:47:15,129 --> 00:47:17,948
Has anybody looked at the tax base you're going to gain from that?

538
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,438
Those RVs are not taxable.

539
00:47:21,669 --> 00:47:24,759
They're registered as a fifth-wheel camper would be.

540
00:47:25,029 --> 00:47:27,519
So you pay a registration fee to New York State every year.

541
00:47:28,089 --> 00:47:32,994
As soon as you park that on a pad or put a skirt around it, you're now exempt from

542
00:47:33,099 --> 00:47:36,369
it. New York State, Albany's not even getting any money from it.

543
00:47:36,429 --> 00:47:40,644
They need it more, but they're not even getting money from it.

544
00:47:40,689 --> 00:47:45,429
So what can you tax on it? The improvement? The driveway? The stone?

545
00:47:45,939 --> 00:47:46,929
The office building?

546
00:47:48,489 --> 00:47:54,249
What's your income tax? 20 grand? That's like $10 a resident.

547
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,339
I'll give you $20 out of my pocket right now.

548
00:48:00,069 --> 00:48:05,949
I think the benefit to the local community from a tax perspective is not worth

549
00:48:06,459 --> 00:48:10,869
it, taking it. There's not more baseball coming because they built this.

550
00:48:11,679 --> 00:48:15,984
They're taking the same pie you got now, chopping a chunk out of it, mailing it to

551
00:48:16,029 --> 00:48:16,749
Texas.

552
00:48:19,150 --> 00:48:23,829
As far as the wetlands are concerned, they're saying they're not affecting it.

553
00:48:23,859 --> 00:48:29,739
But on your own town website, bring up your mapping system,

554
00:48:30,939 --> 00:48:34,119
and it said that DEC didn't have jurisdiction.

555
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:39,969
Well, this list is having DEC wetland completely bisecting the property

556
00:48:39,999 --> 00:48:41,529
from north to south.

557
00:48:43,059 --> 00:48:47,589
And there's Army Corps of Engineer wetland on that property as well, higher up the

558
00:48:47,619 --> 00:48:49,209
hill where it doesn't look like they're going to be.

559
00:48:50,289 --> 00:48:52,480
So I don't know how those things can exist together.

560
00:48:54,638 --> 00:48:55,359
Jessica.

561
00:48:56,468 --> 00:49:00,730
Just my main concern was, like Bart said, the traffic on that null.

562
00:49:01,629 --> 00:49:07,480
That was my main concern, was just the traffic flow on

563
00:49:07,569 --> 00:49:10,389
that, the null south of that entrance

564
00:49:11,919 --> 00:49:12,789
into zone six.

565
00:49:13,900 --> 00:49:17,499
Daph Youngers.

566
00:49:17,619 --> 00:49:21,009
I don't know.

567
00:49:22,839 --> 00:49:23,275
Dave.

568
00:49:23,409 --> 00:49:23,739
Yeah.

569
00:49:25,989 --> 00:49:28,629
Dave Petrie. I worked at Angel just for seven years.

570
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:34,974
That whole area from Graham Road to Melber, that whole side of that was full of

571
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:36,743
springs that I grew up with, those were good as

572
00:49:38,139 --> 00:49:41,980
well. In my concern is some people still use some of those springs,

573
00:49:43,929 --> 00:49:48,579
and the septic and stuff's got to go somewhere.

574
00:49:48,730 --> 00:49:50,769
And I think Danny covered it really well.

575
00:49:53,019 --> 00:49:57,819
I'm really concerned about that. I'm also concerned about the buying all the real

576
00:49:57,833 --> 00:50:00,099
estate on the grasslands in county rule 11.

577
00:50:01,299 --> 00:50:02,559
I think that needs to be

578
00:50:03,969 --> 00:50:07,029
taken into consideration, like everybody pretty much has said.

579
00:50:08,139 --> 00:50:12,939
But I am aware of the springs that run outside Hill and all the way up through

580
00:50:13,029 --> 00:50:13,359
there,

581
00:50:15,009 --> 00:50:18,669
and I don't think it's a wise move to allow this to take place.

582
00:50:22,689 --> 00:50:23,469
Karen Kofi.

583
00:50:24,369 --> 00:50:29,919
Yeah. My concern is, who's going to be watching over that day and night, 24/7?

584
00:50:30,339 --> 00:50:34,434
As we're trying to bring in an ambulance or a fire truck, who's going to be telling

585
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,919
us where to go, how to get there? As far as I know, I'm not an emergency sweep.

586
00:50:39,009 --> 00:50:42,519
I have not heard from anybody, even to go up there and take a walk through that

587
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:48,519
place. We're very limited with the number of people that we have, and I think

588
00:50:48,579 --> 00:50:52,374
it's just going to be impossible to accommodate what's going to have to go up

589
00:50:52,419 --> 00:50:56,139
there. I'm not going to have somebody on staff up there at all times.

590
00:51:00,369 --> 00:51:00,939
Cody Morin.

591
00:51:03,219 --> 00:51:07,150
This is on behalf of the two town residents that came in from emails.

592
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:11,364
One pending tailing, do you like planning more to check with the county or state as

593
00:51:11,409 --> 00:51:16,344
August Lodge needed changes when that went in and that road changed across the

594
00:51:16,389 --> 00:51:21,250
taxpayers $200,000. And then he also wanted to know would the lodge need to be

595
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,719
changed to a two-lane highway.

596
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,530
The next one was from Michael Mary Bowen.

597
00:51:26,859 --> 00:51:29,109
I unfortunately did not make the public hearing.

598
00:51:29,679 --> 00:51:34,509
I read on the notice that there was a post on the 16th at rvpark.com.

599
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:39,549
I want to let the board know that my wife and I are very strong because I don't

600
00:51:39,579 --> 00:51:40,389
believe that the

601
00:51:42,759 --> 00:51:47,769
use of resources for such an idea, water, roadway, and additional traffic are the

602
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:53,469
best interest of the residents. I believe the benefits for town and park and

603
00:51:53,530 --> 00:51:57,459
Yellowstone County would place additional burden on our highway department,

604
00:51:57,609 --> 00:52:02,379
emergency services, et cetera. I do feel ultimately it would increase our property

605
00:52:02,410 --> 00:52:04,929
taxes without helping our infrastructure.

606
00:52:04,989 --> 00:52:07,750
Has anyone addressed the road maintenance costs on Still?

607
00:52:08,288 --> 00:52:12,280
I feel that cost is placed on the town of Park residents with no return to other

608
00:52:12,819 --> 00:52:17,574
business that reads about this. Also, when does this have a negative effect on the

609
00:52:17,619 --> 00:52:23,259
current RV tax and camp rents? Thank you for your time.

610
00:52:23,619 --> 00:52:25,209
I really appreciate it.

611
00:52:25,254 --> 00:52:25,254
Paul.

612
00:52:25,329 --> 00:52:26,619
My thoughts are already on this.

613
00:52:28,089 --> 00:52:30,248
Okay. I'm not sure I can read this one. Sorry.

614
00:52:30,459 --> 00:52:32,469
That's what I speak, so.

615
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:33,039
Okay.

616
00:52:35,949 --> 00:52:37,539
I'm not sure if it's to Dan or-

617
00:52:37,900 --> 00:52:38,408
Yes.

618
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:39,639
Dennis, we got next.

619
00:52:40,660 --> 00:52:44,844
My concern is, in Dream Park, personal started losing water.

620
00:52:45,250 --> 00:52:47,919
I have it stored in my house and it's dried up.

621
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:50,065
Where's that?

622
00:52:50,065 --> 00:52:51,699
I heard other people had to-

623
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:52,809
Where do you live?

624
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:53,739
Up.

625
00:52:53,769 --> 00:52:55,750
Is everybody next to the Dream Park?

626
00:52:55,869 --> 00:52:56,559
20 miles.

627
00:52:56,589 --> 00:52:57,969
Okay, I'm sorry.

628
00:52:58,089 --> 00:53:02,619
And I heard other people had to have their wells punched deeper,

629
00:53:04,479 --> 00:53:05,199
100 feet, 120 or so.

630
00:53:05,785 --> 00:53:06,339
Uh-huh.

631
00:53:06,414 --> 00:53:09,879
To dry a year, that this all happened.

632
00:53:10,509 --> 00:53:16,239
My concern is they're not bringing that much more in that they got it out.

633
00:53:17,469 --> 00:53:21,789
In our spring, since my grandmother owned the house, it's never dried up.

634
00:53:24,669 --> 00:53:26,619
That's where I'm concerned, and the traffic.

635
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:29,709
Blake.

636
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:35,410
Yeah. So I guess I'm going to try to address the traffic and water and everything

637
00:53:35,469 --> 00:53:35,859
like that.

638
00:53:37,809 --> 00:53:41,199
I have a somewhat technical question on design.

639
00:53:42,369 --> 00:53:48,009
They're utilizing DOH standards, which typically are capped

640
00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:53,109
for septic systems at 1,000 gallons a day.

641
00:53:55,239 --> 00:54:00,894
I think that it really should be utilized by USA DC intermediate

642
00:54:01,089 --> 00:54:02,079
resource standards. So,

643
00:54:03,849 --> 00:54:07,449
they have a little bit more stringent standards for that.

644
00:54:12,984 --> 00:54:13,539
Patsy.

645
00:54:14,709 --> 00:54:19,000
I sent an email to the planning board.

646
00:54:19,809 --> 00:54:25,044
My issue's not necessarily on any particular project, and I want to thank the

647
00:54:25,089 --> 00:54:30,969
people who presented tonight, for the exact use of property as it was built on.

648
00:54:31,629 --> 00:54:32,469
But in general,

649
00:54:35,619 --> 00:54:40,315
the visiting tourist brings in $435 million into the county every year.

650
00:54:41,481 --> 00:54:47,316
And $225 of that is spent on lodging, $225 million in Kent County

651
00:54:47,391 --> 00:54:52,986
on lodging. Of that, there's now a sales tax of 8% on

652
00:54:53,031 --> 00:54:58,971
short-term rentals, an occupancy tax, and

653
00:54:58,986 --> 00:55:03,456
$54 million in sales tax coming in, not just on lodging, on everything

654
00:55:04,701 --> 00:55:09,696
in the county. And I think it's time that Kent partner work more closely with the

655
00:55:09,741 --> 00:55:14,766
Town of Otsego and the Town of Oneonta to address a bigger

656
00:55:14,811 --> 00:55:19,716
portion of either partially the sales tax revenue, and I understand the formula is

657
00:55:19,731 --> 00:55:23,601
very complicated for that, but also the occupancy tax.

658
00:55:24,621 --> 00:55:28,311
Also, I think the town of Kent should look at a

659
00:55:30,861 --> 00:55:32,182
little parkland

660
00:55:33,652 --> 00:55:36,696
proposal for some of these

661
00:55:38,212 --> 00:55:43,791
special use reviews, and perhaps even establish a

662
00:55:44,241 --> 00:55:49,701
special improvement district, which I know you're, I think, I don't know, you might

663
00:55:49,731 --> 00:55:52,791
be allowed to do even if you don't have zoning in the town.

664
00:55:52,971 --> 00:55:56,061
I think we all need to remember that Arkansas has zoning.

665
00:55:56,182 --> 00:56:01,101
So it's nice that Otsego will have everybody, so things that they're bringing up

666
00:56:01,251 --> 00:56:05,751
are concerns of mine as well. But zoning is an issue.

667
00:56:06,591 --> 00:56:10,791
And I also think that we should look at, as a town, a comprehensive short-term

668
00:56:10,851 --> 00:56:16,281
rental inspection code and recovery ordinance that would allow the town to

669
00:56:16,341 --> 00:56:21,471
assess a permitting fee for units of short-term rental.

670
00:56:21,802 --> 00:56:26,571
The town needs to figure out a way to extract some of this

671
00:56:27,201 --> 00:56:32,601
$220 million that's coming into the county in lodging, because

672
00:56:33,441 --> 00:56:38,631
that's how we're going to fund some of our services and our roads and such.

673
00:56:38,691 --> 00:56:40,356
So those are my thoughts.

674
00:56:41,001 --> 00:56:45,351
Jessica? Any questions?

675
00:56:46,641 --> 00:56:48,621
Steve Wyne.

676
00:56:50,391 --> 00:56:51,501
Steve, oh.

677
00:56:51,831 --> 00:56:52,341
Do you have any-

678
00:56:52,881 --> 00:56:57,891
Well, actually, I'm not even on the list, but I signed it on.

679
00:56:58,581 --> 00:56:59,721
Oh, okay. No, that's okay.

680
00:57:03,981 --> 00:57:08,962
Just in general, in terms of some of the technical side,

681
00:57:10,581 --> 00:57:16,011
one of the gems that we all have and will benefit from what's going on, it really

682
00:57:16,071 --> 00:57:21,726
is special. Most people who go up to the campground, they know how beautiful it is.

683
00:57:22,462 --> 00:57:26,631
One of my concerns is in the summer, fine. And in the summer, you're fine.

684
00:57:26,691 --> 00:57:31,596
Any time you go up there, there are six, seven new cars up there and then

685
00:57:31,641 --> 00:57:36,321
people with trailers who are incredibly respectful. Always exceptions.

686
00:57:37,101 --> 00:57:41,001
Myself, every time I go hiking around, I have to pick up garbage.

687
00:57:41,091 --> 00:57:44,212
But those are the exceptions. Most people are crazy here.

688
00:57:44,932 --> 00:57:50,691
But if you're going to build a big car going down low, 20 days,

689
00:57:51,231 --> 00:57:55,880
this type of development, you're not going to have six or seven.

690
00:57:55,971 --> 00:57:59,121
Honestly, you're going to have on a nice little fun fun through.

691
00:58:00,261 --> 00:58:04,791
And as it is, it's not that big a difference. Pressure.

692
00:58:05,121 --> 00:58:09,652
And we also see backup supply for us, but if you tell Milford somebody mentioned

693
00:58:09,682 --> 00:58:15,366
that some of the wells are drying up in Milford, that's still the backup supply for

694
00:58:15,366 --> 00:58:20,361
Milford. It's really proceeding. There's not a lot of construction on it.

695
00:58:20,422 --> 00:58:23,422
How are we going to address that? So those are some of the secondary things.

696
00:58:23,571 --> 00:58:25,057
I don't really have a feeling whether

697
00:58:26,721 --> 00:58:27,891
Otsego County needs

698
00:58:29,121 --> 00:58:32,196
more facilities or what the vacancy rate is.

699
00:58:32,331 --> 00:58:36,291
I don't have any idea of why it's not economical.

700
00:58:36,802 --> 00:58:40,791
But I can see the impact it's going to have.

701
00:58:41,152 --> 00:58:46,941
Not really concerned about it. As long as it's the outside pressure, everyone

702
00:58:46,971 --> 00:58:50,871
knows. We take the resources that Otsego can.

703
00:58:52,221 --> 00:58:55,491
It's going to change the nature of the code. So I'm not...

704
00:58:55,611 --> 00:58:56,766
That's one of my concerns.

705
00:59:00,231 --> 00:59:00,802
Theresa.

706
00:59:01,851 --> 00:59:07,462
So like a lot of other people, things I was concerned about have already been

707
00:59:07,491 --> 00:59:13,281
addressed or spoken about. I guess I'm a little confused because I

708
00:59:13,341 --> 00:59:18,996
thought that the traffic study shows that there's no significant issues during peak

709
00:59:19,161 --> 00:59:24,111
traffic times on 28, so this wouldn't really add any more of an issue to it.

710
00:59:24,531 --> 00:59:29,571
But yeah, if you try to go from Perfect to Coopersound via 28, good luck.

711
00:59:30,172 --> 00:59:35,571
From 7:00, 8:00, 8:30 north, or 5. It doesn't matter if you go down 45 towards

712
00:59:35,631 --> 00:59:39,981
Milford or not, or if you go over Grasslands Trail, it doesn't matter.

713
00:59:40,311 --> 00:59:42,771
People are black out their minds.

714
00:59:44,271 --> 00:59:48,682
Lacey has a good point. We grew up at Waypond. It's going to be trashed.

715
00:59:50,152 --> 00:59:52,101
It's going to be trashed. There's no way around it.

716
00:59:52,521 --> 00:59:58,432
I did not realize, as Mike stated, that all this money is going to go to somebody

717
00:59:58,462 --> 01:00:03,652
in Texas when we have such lovely generational campgrounds here that are

718
01:00:03,712 --> 01:00:06,351
struggling. Why aren't we supporting them?

719
01:00:06,381 --> 01:00:06,802
That's true.

720
01:00:06,861 --> 01:00:08,541
Why aren't we getting somebody to help them?

721
01:00:08,601 --> 01:00:10,731
Why aren't we putting out advertising for them?

722
01:00:10,791 --> 01:00:15,021
Why aren't we bringing them in to do different things instead of shipping money to

723
01:00:15,052 --> 01:00:16,701
Texas? It makes no sense.

724
01:00:20,091 --> 01:00:23,166
I'm not sure the person we hear about Conlin, which may-

725
01:00:23,631 --> 01:00:24,261
I'm sorry.

726
01:00:24,291 --> 01:00:24,831
Conrad.

727
01:00:24,861 --> 01:00:25,491
Conrad.

728
01:00:25,536 --> 01:00:26,091
Conrad. Go ahead.

729
01:00:28,041 --> 01:00:31,911
It says it's luxury development, but I don't think that kind of density looks very

730
01:00:32,031 --> 01:00:35,781
luxury or looks very outdoorsy. That's my feel.

731
01:00:36,111 --> 01:00:38,811
That is not camping, that is cookie cutter.

732
01:00:40,552 --> 01:00:45,291
As for access, it looks to me like if they were really going to do this, they

733
01:00:45,321 --> 01:00:51,172
should get right away, straight down 248 through people in front,

734
01:00:51,351 --> 01:00:56,091
who probably don't want to sell. Instead, they're going to spurt onto a tiny little

735
01:00:56,152 --> 01:01:00,966
road that is then going to have to be changed wide because-

736
01:01:02,196 --> 01:01:02,196
No

737
01:01:02,196 --> 01:01:05,212
... and I wasn't going to mention Bowie Pond.

738
01:01:05,302 --> 01:01:10,927
Bowie Pond, the water is owned by the Town of Milford, to the high water mark.

739
01:01:11,677 --> 01:01:17,256
The peninsula, sort of the point as you stand at the little beach, is owned by the

740
01:01:17,302 --> 01:01:22,206
Town of Milford. The rest of it is owned by the Gladstone family and by one other

741
01:01:22,432 --> 01:01:24,381
landowner who's in this room. Not me.

742
01:01:25,445 --> 01:01:30,652
Now, the beach, we have a town road that's a dirt road,

743
01:01:31,281 --> 01:01:35,601
and so there's a town right of way, and then there's what you call a beach.

744
01:01:35,661 --> 01:01:39,111
It's basically a few steps down to the water.

745
01:01:39,201 --> 01:01:44,061
And it's really a moot point as to whether that is public access.

746
01:01:44,331 --> 01:01:46,416
It's not a park, it's not

747
01:01:47,661 --> 01:01:52,432
a DC reservation. It's

748
01:01:53,061 --> 01:01:58,251
a gray area that people are careful to use carefully,

749
01:01:58,552 --> 01:02:03,802
but it cannot be used by a lot of public very

750
01:02:03,861 --> 01:02:08,691
sensibly. It's too small and there is no right of way, no access.

751
01:02:08,721 --> 01:02:12,621
It's just a tiny little... But don't kid yourself.

752
01:02:12,652 --> 01:02:17,166
If we have 76 units at the foot of that road, people are going to go up there, and

753
01:02:17,182 --> 01:02:20,781
they're not going to care whether the Gladstone's own the land, or Steve Weilen

754
01:02:20,841 --> 01:02:24,547
owns a little piece of it, or the Town of Milford owns a piece of it.

755
01:02:24,576 --> 01:02:26,736
They're not going to care. They're not going to.

756
01:02:26,781 --> 01:02:30,021
And what'll happen is Milford will say, "Okay, liability.

757
01:02:30,291 --> 01:02:33,231
I don't want all these people in our water. I don't want to be sued.

758
01:02:33,291 --> 01:02:37,731
Therefore, we will put up a fence." And they will do it for everyone.

759
01:02:37,821 --> 01:02:38,766
So it's like,

760
01:02:40,881 --> 01:02:46,761
we do things like neighbors, little things to just keep things nice, not get it

761
01:02:46,821 --> 01:02:51,471
blown open. The minute it blows open, then you've got lawyers and planners and

762
01:02:51,501 --> 01:02:53,511
builders and permitters.

763
01:02:54,861 --> 01:02:58,251
And then you've got the water polluted, and it gets to the Milford Reservoir.

764
01:02:58,311 --> 01:03:02,152
It's there, and they're all through the reservoir. There's a chlorine road.

765
01:03:02,212 --> 01:03:05,212
They had a chlorine eight years ago. There's a pipe that still goes down.

766
01:03:06,141 --> 01:03:08,152
It could be reactivated if they ever needed it.

767
01:03:08,691 --> 01:03:09,291
In other words,

768
01:03:10,971 --> 01:03:15,816
it's a really bad place. If they want to build something, let them put a driveway

769
01:03:15,861 --> 01:03:17,422
that just goes right out to 28.

770
01:03:18,682 --> 01:03:24,591
But to access onto Bowie Pond, and have that be their

771
01:03:24,621 --> 01:03:25,371
driveway,

772
01:03:26,902 --> 01:03:27,561
I say no.

773
01:03:28,761 --> 01:03:31,402
Let them get their own driveway. Thank you.

774
01:03:34,552 --> 01:03:35,691
Dustin and Dennis?

775
01:03:36,201 --> 01:03:41,945
Those are my ones I've kind of been touched on, but you know coming off of Bowie

776
01:03:42,172 --> 01:03:47,031
Pond as you turn on 28, the average camper's 30 feet long.

777
01:03:47,091 --> 01:03:52,297
I myself pull a 24-foot enclosed trailer. I will not pull off of Bowie Pond on 28.

778
01:03:52,731 --> 01:03:53,091
Won't do it

779
01:03:54,411 --> 01:03:57,081
You're going to get it, you're going to die, guaranteed.

780
01:03:58,251 --> 01:04:03,291
As for the impact on traffic, that's something that camps put off in between

781
01:04:03,441 --> 01:04:07,221
racetracks and campgrounds, actual luxury campgrounds.

782
01:04:07,611 --> 01:04:12,172
76 units does not bring to 30 to 40 units. It brings to 80 to 150.

783
01:04:12,591 --> 01:04:16,311
Most people bring one to three vehicles with them to the campgrounds.

784
01:04:18,052 --> 01:04:21,396
Now, just one, they don't just drive their RV there, because most people have a

785
01:04:21,411 --> 01:04:24,441
vehicle behind the camp. So they're guaranteed to have a truck.

786
01:04:24,652 --> 01:04:26,902
Also, Dreams Park is not a walk-in facility.

787
01:04:27,321 --> 01:04:30,411
You cannot walk into Dreams Park unless you work for Dreams Park.

788
01:04:30,831 --> 01:04:36,591
Therefore, you have 70 to 150 cars going 30 feet to turn right into Dreams Park.

789
01:04:38,031 --> 01:04:41,451
You're telling me that's not going to put you into E territory on your traffic

790
01:04:41,691 --> 01:04:44,691
study that was done at the slowest point of Dreams Park?

791
01:04:48,501 --> 01:04:53,152
We probably should've done this during the season of the Hall of Fame induction.

792
01:04:54,201 --> 01:04:56,736
Way back for that on a Hall of Fame induction week.

793
01:04:56,781 --> 01:05:00,621
I have a small engine repair shop in Plainfield. I drive 28 daily.

794
01:05:01,491 --> 01:05:07,071
I have to go 15 minutes out of the way to bypass a four-hour wait on 28 if it's

795
01:05:07,101 --> 01:05:11,991
chatting day. I can guarantee you traffic study was not done on chat, at chatting

796
01:05:12,021 --> 01:05:12,682
times.

797
01:05:16,251 --> 01:05:21,111
Furthermore, somebody else mentioned the amount of acres that you have there.

798
01:05:22,432 --> 01:05:26,706
I and everybody else in the room knows damn well you're not going to just end at 76

799
01:05:26,991 --> 01:05:31,280
units. You're going to continue to build as what was sold to you with the property,

800
01:05:31,941 --> 01:05:37,161
which I hope all of you have seen, because it's like water park style pond,

801
01:05:37,821 --> 01:05:40,310
hundreds of units, several cabins.

802
01:05:41,152 --> 01:05:46,821
So now your 76, 30, 40 dollars turns into 2,000 coming out one

803
01:05:46,881 --> 01:05:51,261
road that's maintained by the town of Parkway, who also will not enter 28 from that

804
01:05:51,351 --> 01:05:52,521
side, if they don't.

805
01:05:55,311 --> 01:05:55,851
Over to you.

806
01:05:58,281 --> 01:06:00,081
That's everyone on the list. I don't know if-

807
01:06:01,341 --> 01:06:02,061
I didn't go.

808
01:06:02,511 --> 01:06:06,381
Oh, oh, I'm sorry. Pat Ryan, you were on the second column.

809
01:06:06,652 --> 01:06:07,011
No.

810
01:06:07,087 --> 01:06:07,881
We found that.

811
01:06:08,691 --> 01:06:14,481
Okay, um, I agree. First of all, let me say, I have

812
01:06:14,541 --> 01:06:19,911
been at this since 1959 trying to get some

813
01:06:20,182 --> 01:06:25,221
kind of land use planning in our township. Okay?

814
01:06:26,001 --> 01:06:30,411
Everything that was said here tonight could have been

815
01:06:30,621 --> 01:06:36,321
eliminated or alleviated if we had a

816
01:06:36,441 --> 01:06:38,601
land use regulation.

817
01:06:39,802 --> 01:06:42,231
Now, I was supervisor here for four years,

818
01:06:43,432 --> 01:06:49,326
2008 through 2011. In 2009 and

819
01:06:49,341 --> 01:06:54,922
'10, we adopted, first of all, a

820
01:06:54,951 --> 01:07:00,922
comprehensive plan, which we had to have in order for the town to

821
01:07:00,981 --> 01:07:05,811
get grants from the state to do any kind of work.

822
01:07:06,081 --> 01:07:11,902
The million and a half grant that we got for upgrading our water facility here came

823
01:07:11,991 --> 01:07:15,712
from a grant because of the fact that we adopted this plan.

824
01:07:16,251 --> 01:07:20,932
The ensuing boards have not followed this plan.

825
01:07:21,471 --> 01:07:27,321
We then, as a requirement of this comprehensive plan, was

826
01:07:27,441 --> 01:07:32,152
a land use regulation law. We got dollars from the state to put this in place.

827
01:07:33,501 --> 01:07:38,751
This land use regulation plan was required to be adopted.

828
01:07:39,351 --> 01:07:44,932
We had a consultant working on it for two years with a commission, a zoning

829
01:07:44,991 --> 01:07:47,841
commission, appointed through state. Okay?

830
01:07:47,962 --> 01:07:50,121
It was required to be appointed through state.

831
01:07:50,691 --> 01:07:55,491
The commission worked for two years with a consulting firm out of Albany.

832
01:07:55,521 --> 01:08:01,281
This is what they came up with. This is a land use regulation draft

833
01:08:01,552 --> 01:08:07,071
law, which has been sitting on a shelf for 16 years.

834
01:08:08,451 --> 01:08:12,501
I have tried to get the planning work people to look at this.

835
01:08:13,462 --> 01:08:15,591
It could be, because districts,

836
01:08:16,791 --> 01:08:21,022
it would require that a developer have to put sidewalk.

837
01:08:21,471 --> 01:08:26,302
The first thing that was recommended, which it gets to the water issue with this

838
01:08:26,422 --> 01:08:27,022
project,

839
01:08:29,691 --> 01:08:34,101
when we were doing the grant for the million and a half for here in this hamlet,

840
01:08:35,512 --> 01:08:40,672
the hydrologist in 2010 recommended

841
01:08:41,302 --> 01:08:47,182
because of the exponential growth in the Route 28 commercial corridor,

842
01:08:47,991 --> 01:08:51,591
that there be a water budget study done.

843
01:08:53,001 --> 01:08:55,941
I got an estimate from him, $4,800.

844
01:08:56,541 --> 01:09:01,701
And what that does is they will take it, they measure the

845
01:09:01,821 --> 01:09:07,387
aquifer at the high usage point, and then they measure it

846
01:09:07,552 --> 01:09:12,201
again for the high water point. Then they measure it again to find out how many

847
01:09:12,262 --> 01:09:17,182
gallons have been taken. The board did not approve that, unfortunately,

848
01:09:18,501 --> 01:09:21,321
in 2010 when this was recommended.

849
01:09:22,161 --> 01:09:27,981
So I say, at this point in time, until we get some sort of land

850
01:09:28,371 --> 01:09:34,071
or water budget study done in that corridor, because since 2016, how many more

851
01:09:34,131 --> 01:09:37,462
high water usage businesses have been

852
01:09:37,552 --> 01:09:43,522
approved over there on the 28 corridor? Sidewalks.

853
01:09:43,866 --> 01:09:48,411
There should have been sidewalks required by the Dream Start developers.

854
01:09:49,026 --> 01:09:52,221
There should have been an off-ramp to go behind Dream Start.

855
01:09:52,522 --> 01:09:56,031
But nobody, everybody is thinking, "Oh, this is going to be great.

856
01:09:56,091 --> 01:10:00,981
We're going to get lots of money, and all these jobs will be created." But in the

857
01:10:01,101 --> 01:10:05,676
end, we're all going to be paying. And it may be that that corridor over there goes

858
01:10:05,721 --> 01:10:11,182
without water, and the suggestion from the hydrologist was that it should

859
01:10:11,272 --> 01:10:17,226
be looking at water towers. So here we're talking about a whole new look at

860
01:10:17,301 --> 01:10:23,001
the infrastructure. So God bless you all, and everything you said I agree with,

861
01:10:23,091 --> 01:10:23,465
folks.

862
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:30,756
I have one more very quick comment, is that those cabins fall under Department of

863
01:10:30,801 --> 01:10:34,461
Health regulations for spacing, and they can be stacked up 10 feet apart.

864
01:10:37,101 --> 01:10:38,091
Another question back.

865
01:10:40,731 --> 01:10:42,772
There's one more thing I would like to say.

866
01:10:43,491 --> 01:10:48,621
This zoning law, this draft zoning law, when David Butler took office in

867
01:10:48,801 --> 01:10:54,711
2012, he had one hearing on this, which was required to have the hearing.

868
01:10:54,801 --> 01:11:00,381
It was required to be adopted or turned down as far as the state was concerned.

869
01:11:00,441 --> 01:11:02,932
It never came back for another hearing.

870
01:11:03,022 --> 01:11:05,811
It's still sitting on the shelf after that hearing.

871
01:11:05,932 --> 01:11:11,451
I just want to say one thing, Pat. You did say that that land use law you put

872
01:11:11,511 --> 01:11:13,866
before the planning board, I think you meant to say-

873
01:11:14,211 --> 01:11:15,022
I said what?

874
01:11:15,081 --> 01:11:18,546
Yeah. When you said that you, when you were, uh-

875
01:11:18,801 --> 01:11:19,897
Supervisor

876
01:11:20,451 --> 01:11:22,416
... the supervisor, that you brought that in front of the planning board.

877
01:11:22,432 --> 01:11:22,897
Oh, no, no.

878
01:11:22,897 --> 01:11:25,116
No, you meant to say the town board.

879
01:11:25,116 --> 01:11:25,461
The town board.

880
01:11:25,671 --> 01:11:26,511
That's all I wanted to clarify.

881
01:11:26,571 --> 01:11:29,901
Right. Yes, yes. Yeah, the planning board would not approve this-

882
01:11:30,111 --> 01:11:30,891
We are not to be here

883
01:11:31,131 --> 01:11:34,701
... but there were planning board members on the commission as well.

884
01:11:34,851 --> 01:11:40,161
There were 12 people for two years that worked with the consultants, and this is a

885
01:11:40,221 --> 01:11:41,826
very good report. In fact,

886
01:11:45,772 --> 01:11:50,901
as far as what the comprehensive plan was about when we adopted and why it was

887
01:11:50,932 --> 01:11:54,381
going to be adopted, and if you go back and read that,

888
01:11:55,731 --> 01:11:59,781
we are falling so far away from what the people wanted

889
01:12:01,671 --> 01:12:05,841
because they don't look at this end. Right?

890
01:12:06,441 --> 01:12:08,241
At the time you were against this.

891
01:12:08,901 --> 01:12:09,201
No.

892
01:12:09,591 --> 01:12:09,756
Well-

893
01:12:09,951 --> 01:12:10,941
I was against zoning.

894
01:12:11,511 --> 01:12:11,781
What?

895
01:12:12,081 --> 01:12:12,801
I was against zoning.

896
01:12:12,831 --> 01:12:18,546
You were against zoning. But the comprehensive plan, um, was at the

897
01:12:18,651 --> 01:12:23,811
time, I was accused of spending $38,000 on a one-inch book.

898
01:12:24,831 --> 01:12:30,711
That's what the stove was about. So, sorry, I rest

899
01:12:30,741 --> 01:12:31,371
my case.

900
01:12:31,941 --> 01:12:33,051
Can I just say one more thing?

901
01:12:34,071 --> 01:12:39,891
All-Star Village plans next year to build, um, a hotel, I

902
01:12:39,951 --> 01:12:41,991
believe some sort of amusement park.

903
01:12:42,772 --> 01:12:47,571
Um, it's also been said that the Rincon family and those that own All-Star Village

904
01:12:47,631 --> 01:12:52,836
are or have looked into purchasing Dreams Park. Um, Dreams Park is still expanding.

905
01:12:52,881 --> 01:12:56,316
They're currently building two storage facilities in the back lot.

906
01:12:56,451 --> 01:13:00,772
Um, they will too, also add a hotel to keep everybody on premise.

907
01:13:01,581 --> 01:13:05,871
Um, so long-term viability just doesn't exist

908
01:13:12,693 --> 01:13:14,613
Just one other thing. No, go ahead.

909
01:13:17,403 --> 01:13:21,843
One possible way maybe to eliminate the overflow or the influx of a lot of people

910
01:13:21,873 --> 01:13:27,483
at Goegh Pond is to include on that website plan there, a swimming facility to keep

911
01:13:27,543 --> 01:13:30,453
the people there rather than have them venturing up over the top of the hill.

912
01:13:31,203 --> 01:13:31,982
You close the road.

913
01:13:32,763 --> 01:13:35,328
If you don't have a lifeguard issue or anything like that, it's all in

914
01:13:35,403 --> 01:13:38,043
responsibility of that site right there.

915
01:13:38,793 --> 01:13:41,584
Milford's already worried about their liability up there.

916
01:13:41,628 --> 01:13:44,913
If we close that road, most neighbors who own along that road are here.

917
01:13:45,873 --> 01:13:47,553
They have no problem with it being closed.

918
01:13:47,584 --> 01:13:51,693
The town doesn't have to maintain it whatsoever. Milford's liability.

919
01:13:53,163 --> 01:13:55,143
Give a damn, Stappy. Go on, do it.

920
01:13:55,443 --> 01:13:58,473
A couple of she don't like.

921
01:13:58,503 --> 01:13:58,893
Yeah.

922
01:13:58,983 --> 01:13:59,973
They're mailing the whole-

923
01:14:00,453 --> 01:14:02,028
Stay on the road. It's rough anyway

924
01:14:02,703 --> 01:14:06,513
First response was the paint truck.

925
01:14:09,243 --> 01:14:11,253
Is there anyone else?

926
01:14:11,343 --> 01:14:12,334
Anybody else?

927
01:14:14,223 --> 01:14:15,843
I'd like to-

928
01:14:16,443 --> 01:14:17,913
Yes, yes.

929
01:14:17,959 --> 01:14:23,268
Yes. I would be curious to get very specifics as to how this would benefit.

930
01:14:23,553 --> 01:14:25,413
How many jobs, how many year-round jobs?

931
01:14:25,623 --> 01:14:30,168
Exactly what type of intervention?

932
01:14:30,243 --> 01:14:34,052
How many people from Milford are going to be working there making a living, not a

933
01:14:34,953 --> 01:14:36,153
fancy job?

934
01:14:36,183 --> 01:14:40,728
I'm betting with 76 units, it's not going to be local people, you know, so either-

935
01:14:41,043 --> 01:14:42,993
It's going to be seasonal anyway, especially when-

936
01:14:43,413 --> 01:14:44,763
Right. So it's just that-

937
01:14:44,853 --> 01:14:46,803
They'll be coming in from somewhere.

938
01:14:52,203 --> 01:14:54,153
Supposing we see.

939
01:14:54,213 --> 01:14:55,653
Is there anybody else?

940
01:14:58,893 --> 01:15:01,353
Does that place perk well? I have a question.

941
01:15:01,683 --> 01:15:02,358
Is the ledge-

942
01:15:03,693 --> 01:15:06,393
I just wanted to say I agree with Daniel totally.

943
01:15:07,683 --> 01:15:11,628
Everybody was promised that all our taxes would go down, and all this wonderful

944
01:15:11,674 --> 01:15:16,383
stuff in the film at Beech Park, and just the opposite effect has happened.

945
01:15:16,413 --> 01:15:18,363
So I agree with Danny totally on that.

946
01:15:19,503 --> 01:15:24,693
I can't see any where it's benefited us in any way with local people involved.

947
01:15:24,963 --> 01:15:25,323
That's it.

948
01:15:26,913 --> 01:15:28,473
All right. Last, one more person.

949
01:15:29,674 --> 01:15:30,183
Mark?

950
01:15:32,493 --> 01:15:33,123
Any Chris?

951
01:15:34,533 --> 01:15:38,163
Okay,

952
01:15:40,533 --> 01:15:42,573
so, end of public hearing.

953
01:15:43,863 --> 01:15:44,163
That's-

954
01:15:44,463 --> 01:15:46,443
I'll make the motion that we end the public hearing.

955
01:15:46,803 --> 01:15:47,163
Second.

956
01:15:47,613 --> 01:15:48,558
All in favor, aye. Aye.

957
01:15:49,924 --> 01:15:55,893
We'll give you guys a chance to... Any non-response item that you heard

958
01:15:55,924 --> 01:15:56,959
that you'd like to clarify?

959
01:15:57,303 --> 01:16:02,403
I think we'd like to make some clarification, saving it again, between our team, we

960
01:16:02,433 --> 01:16:04,023
did write down all comments.

961
01:16:05,433 --> 01:16:10,113
We will address them, but just to clarify a couple main points.

962
01:16:10,653 --> 01:16:12,783
Our main drive is right onto Route 28.

963
01:16:13,323 --> 01:16:15,573
Our main drive is not going onto Goegh Pond Road.

964
01:16:16,174 --> 01:16:20,973
That's one point we just want to make clear in understanding, that our main

965
01:16:21,033 --> 01:16:23,163
driveway goes right onto Route 28.

966
01:16:23,584 --> 01:16:26,313
I'm going to second that to the other one, the bottom of the goal.

967
01:16:26,463 --> 01:16:27,723
Pretty high goal, too.

968
01:16:28,323 --> 01:16:33,663
We'll verify that with the OT. So, the other pieces to understand is that

969
01:16:34,834 --> 01:16:40,233
the OT will be reviewing, and their experts will be reviewing the Gordon Stanfare

970
01:16:40,413 --> 01:16:43,773
GTS consultant traffic impact study.

971
01:16:43,863 --> 01:16:49,353
They will ask for the modeling of how that occurred to make sure it meets the

972
01:16:49,473 --> 01:16:55,084
standard of the day with regards to trip generation, and that the time

973
01:16:55,203 --> 01:17:00,903
of the background data is appropriate for the Route 28 work.

974
01:17:01,023 --> 01:17:06,273
So all of that is not only what we say, it gets reviewed by the regional

975
01:17:06,334 --> 01:17:10,983
engineering department of the OT. So that certainly will occur.

976
01:17:11,073 --> 01:17:15,424
And Gordon can address, that I was going to talk about some of these other pieces

977
01:17:15,483 --> 01:17:19,533
for sure, but I feel like Gordon kind of covered what he has heard as well.

978
01:17:19,593 --> 01:17:25,533
So just to understand is on a technical aspect... Go ahead.

979
01:17:26,343 --> 01:17:31,084
You say your main entrance is on 28, but if I read that map right, you do have an

980
01:17:31,143 --> 01:17:35,073
entrance going onto Goegh Pond. Am I not correct?

981
01:17:35,088 --> 01:17:35,088
Mm-hmm.

982
01:17:35,163 --> 01:17:40,953
Okay. So that's not going to stop anybody from going out onto Goegh Pond than

983
01:17:41,013 --> 01:17:42,963
going up to our property.

984
01:17:43,084 --> 01:17:46,743
Somebody else-

985
01:17:47,674 --> 01:17:53,163
That's why amongst the planning board now, we are still under, let's call it,

986
01:17:54,123 --> 01:17:57,063
a review from the planning board. If the planning board says...

987
01:17:57,303 --> 01:18:02,584
And that was kind of for the purposes of emergency egress and fire department, and

988
01:18:02,613 --> 01:18:06,993
then it could be a breakaway chain, but the fire department's going to want to have

989
01:18:07,023 --> 01:18:09,183
a secondary means of access as well.

990
01:18:09,213 --> 01:18:14,163
So I think in a planning sense, that's kind of what we were thinking is to provide

991
01:18:14,283 --> 01:18:17,674
other means of access beyond the primary point.

992
01:18:18,063 --> 01:18:20,493
So that could be a breakaway chain or some other piece.

993
01:18:20,703 --> 01:18:24,783
So you're absolutely correct. We do show some of these things in a planning sense,

994
01:18:25,263 --> 01:18:29,973
and it's part of point of conversation to both of the board and we,

995
01:18:31,113 --> 01:18:34,773
through Elise, we've been trying to get ahold of the fire chief for the past three

996
01:18:34,893 --> 01:18:39,003
weeks, and I think she's got a report that's coming in for us, so we are dealing

997
01:18:39,033 --> 01:18:44,163
with the fire chief with regards to not only access but as well

998
01:18:44,584 --> 01:18:49,908
emergency services and water supply and all of the pieces

999
01:18:49,924 --> 01:18:53,013
that our fire department want to be dealing with.

1000
01:18:53,883 --> 01:18:57,768
Well, the reason I say that is because ultimately GPS is going to send them over

1001
01:18:57,783 --> 01:19:02,674
whatever back road it may think the shortest, and that back road takes them into my

1002
01:19:02,703 --> 01:19:03,243
backyard.

1003
01:19:03,334 --> 01:19:04,263
Right.

1004
01:19:04,413 --> 01:19:10,263
And I've got a 12-year-old that runs around like crazy and goes anywhere he

1005
01:19:10,323 --> 01:19:14,613
wants right now. And I really don't want to tell him that he's not-

1006
01:19:15,183 --> 01:19:17,703
That's two entrances. One of them you're not supposed to go in.

1007
01:19:18,063 --> 01:19:21,693
Thank you for all the time. So don't let him kid you that you're not.

1008
01:19:22,803 --> 01:19:28,713
There's means to protect that, certainly.

1009
01:19:32,642 --> 01:19:36,243
So what comes right out your entrance is actually a rain pump.

1010
01:19:37,293 --> 01:19:37,818
And that's

1011
01:19:39,572 --> 01:19:41,988
a concern to you?

1012
01:19:41,988 --> 01:19:43,293
It's just something.

1013
01:19:43,563 --> 01:19:43,803
Okay.

1014
01:19:43,893 --> 01:19:46,683
So it's a different data.

1015
01:19:48,483 --> 01:19:50,313
We're not trying to be adversarial at all.

1016
01:19:50,463 --> 01:19:53,643
We're just trying to lay out some informational facts.

1017
01:19:54,393 --> 01:20:00,363
So the other question that we've heard with regards to wetlands on the

1018
01:20:00,393 --> 01:20:02,703
property and so the six acres versus the

1019
01:20:04,383 --> 01:20:09,933
developed piece and all of that. We've had a certified wetlands

1020
01:20:09,993 --> 01:20:15,858
biologist visit the site. We've had what's called a jurisdictional

1021
01:20:15,933 --> 01:20:21,049
determination report submitted to both New York State DEC and the US Army Corps of

1022
01:20:21,093 --> 01:20:26,613
Engineers. DEC came back and said they have no jurisdiction with regards to the

1023
01:20:28,383 --> 01:20:32,133
wetland areas. Again, wetland has its own definition and own terms.

1024
01:20:32,778 --> 01:20:36,633
But DEC has taken away jurisdiction for New York State.

1025
01:20:38,043 --> 01:20:43,203
There are two wetland systems in our state that we deal with, frankly, the entire

1026
01:20:43,233 --> 01:20:45,348
nation. One is called

1027
01:20:46,803 --> 01:20:50,808
National Wetlands, and that is under the jurisdiction of US Army Corps of

1028
01:20:50,853 --> 01:20:56,043
Engineers. US Army Corps of Engineers has taken jurisdiction of the

1029
01:20:56,133 --> 01:21:00,753
vegetation and the spring area on the site, and as we push

1030
01:21:02,223 --> 01:21:08,043
to the west, that defined boundary has been labeled out.

1031
01:21:08,163 --> 01:21:13,143
And we got a wetlands report. Actually, the biologist that is on our team is a

1032
01:21:13,473 --> 01:21:18,513
consulting biologist, but he's formerly a DEC wetlands biologist.

1033
01:21:18,633 --> 01:21:24,273
He's very well certified, and we can provide the board any of his

1034
01:21:24,303 --> 01:21:28,413
credentials as well. But for that report, we're not cutting corners here.

1035
01:21:28,473 --> 01:21:33,573
We are trying to do due diligence with regards to all of the agencies.

1036
01:21:33,723 --> 01:21:39,573
So just want to kind of clarify to the public that we have looked at the

1037
01:21:39,633 --> 01:21:44,883
property as a whole with regards to the critical environmental

1038
01:21:45,063 --> 01:21:49,443
aspects. Another point that was made, and I'll kind of flip the page a little bit

1039
01:21:49,503 --> 01:21:54,753
with regards to the jurisdiction of the leach field.

1040
01:21:54,963 --> 01:21:59,853
Absolutely correct. Over 1,000 gallons per day is under the jurisdiction of New

1041
01:21:59,883 --> 01:22:04,834
York State DEC. We will have to get a SPDES permit with regards to the discharge.

1042
01:22:05,674 --> 01:22:11,493
Since it's with regards to what DEC has done is typically they

1043
01:22:11,523 --> 01:22:17,508
refer back to the local regional department of health to review

1044
01:22:18,093 --> 01:22:20,853
systems that are subsurface sewage disposal.

1045
01:22:21,183 --> 01:22:25,247
One of the comments that I recently heard is, what is the infiltration rate and

1046
01:22:25,293 --> 01:22:29,283
what are the perk rates? And I think I said in my first presentation that we were

1047
01:22:29,373 --> 01:22:33,963
out on this site. We did- 30 or 40 test pits.

1048
01:22:34,983 --> 01:22:35,209
I have it on.

1049
01:22:35,223 --> 01:22:39,543
And then on this set of plans, you'll see those test pits as well as percolation

1050
01:22:39,603 --> 01:22:44,433
tests. Perecolation tests are done in triplicate, meaning once we pour the water,

1051
01:22:45,273 --> 01:22:49,413
the water receives the dedicated amount, which is a drop of one inch.

1052
01:22:49,503 --> 01:22:54,963
We rate that time, fill it back up, then we run it in triplicate.

1053
01:22:55,023 --> 01:23:00,183
And so the infiltration rates have been defined for the defined

1054
01:23:00,303 --> 01:23:06,003
area with many, many tests that have identified where we can

1055
01:23:06,033 --> 01:23:11,463
provide subsurface sewage disposal for the leachate. And we'll have septic tanks.

1056
01:23:11,493 --> 01:23:17,163
Septic tanks take the solids. We are responsible for maintaining the

1057
01:23:17,193 --> 01:23:21,903
private sewage disposal system. So one of the questions or comments was, who takes

1058
01:23:21,963 --> 01:23:27,243
care of that system? The ownership will take care of the subsurface sewage disposal

1059
01:23:27,303 --> 01:23:32,478
system. Looking at it with regards to the well water

1060
01:23:32,613 --> 01:23:38,403
supply and the overall aquifer and the impact to the aquifer, again, that's why we

1061
01:23:38,463 --> 01:23:41,838
are bringing on a local well driller, Wade Barney,

1062
01:23:43,143 --> 01:23:46,593
Barney Well Drilling, who has done many wells in this area.

1063
01:23:46,757 --> 01:23:49,323
We had good conversations with Mr.

1064
01:23:49,533 --> 01:23:55,383
Barney with regards to what he feels as a local guy who's done

1065
01:23:55,533 --> 01:24:00,093
over 20 wells in this corridor, some commercial, some residential.

1066
01:24:00,963 --> 01:24:05,283
And he's got back of the hand knowledge with regards to this aquifer and what's

1067
01:24:05,343 --> 01:24:07,293
happening. That's why we brought him in.

1068
01:24:07,713 --> 01:24:11,973
He will provide us with a certified report that we can provide to the board that

1069
01:24:12,033 --> 01:24:16,233
talks about it. And what he will do is once that well is drilled, he will run a

1070
01:24:16,443 --> 01:24:22,053
24-hour drawdown test, meaning he will set his pump rate at the

1071
01:24:22,143 --> 01:24:25,713
desired yield. He will run that for 24 hours, and

1072
01:24:27,093 --> 01:24:32,674
in that 24-hour time frame, he needs to show a sustained drawdown, meaning

1073
01:24:32,688 --> 01:24:38,328
that at whatever pump rate he is at, that the drawdown does not

1074
01:24:38,373 --> 01:24:44,178
move. It is sustained for 24 hours, meaning that that aquifer is solid and

1075
01:24:44,223 --> 01:24:49,098
it's not going to adversely impact, and it's held for a 24-hour period.

1076
01:24:49,683 --> 01:24:54,243
At the end of the 24-hour period, then he grabs samples for water quality analysis,

1077
01:24:54,303 --> 01:24:57,753
because whatever water we get out of here will be considered a public water supply,

1078
01:24:57,813 --> 01:25:03,303
which again, not only our wastewater, but that entire

1079
01:25:04,053 --> 01:25:07,713
well water system will be reviewed by the regional Department of Health as well.

1080
01:25:07,773 --> 01:25:12,543
So they will take a look at how we did the testing, what we've done testing, and as

1081
01:25:12,603 --> 01:25:14,584
I indicated, we are

1082
01:25:16,203 --> 01:25:21,573
thinking that with regards to this overall development, that we're going to put a

1083
01:25:21,633 --> 01:25:27,093
water storage tank. I think someone said, "Well, for the local water supply, maybe

1084
01:25:27,153 --> 01:25:31,084
we should have some tanks." But we're already thinking about for this relatively

1085
01:25:31,174 --> 01:25:34,128
limited development, that we're going to have a water storage tank, and we're going

1086
01:25:34,128 --> 01:25:37,174
to have a water treatment room to make sure that we take care of it.

1087
01:25:37,203 --> 01:25:39,933
Now, we don't know maybe the specifics of the answers to that.

1088
01:25:39,963 --> 01:25:43,563
I can't tell you what that well yield will be.

1089
01:25:43,653 --> 01:25:46,503
I can't tell you exactly what the storage tank will be.

1090
01:25:46,834 --> 01:25:51,873
We're thinking it's between 30,000 to 60,000 gallon storage tank, and that is to

1091
01:25:51,963 --> 01:25:57,933
serve the worst case scenario and as well to help serve a fire demand that

1092
01:25:57,963 --> 01:25:59,943
the fire chief will want for this facility.

1093
01:26:00,153 --> 01:26:00,738
Pretty big.

1094
01:26:00,753 --> 01:26:02,763
So we're already considering that.

1095
01:26:02,793 --> 01:26:08,493
We don't have the exact answers yet, but again, doing our due diligence, we're

1096
01:26:09,123 --> 01:26:12,213
working with those systems. So we've got

1097
01:26:13,834 --> 01:26:16,473
the environmental aspect with regards to wetlands.

1098
01:26:17,103 --> 01:26:22,953
We are looking at the impact with regards to subsurface sewage disposal design,

1099
01:26:23,193 --> 01:26:26,883
which will be a DEC permit, but we're going to work through the regional Department

1100
01:26:26,913 --> 01:26:30,543
of Health. The DEC's going to say, "Department of Health, can you help us out?

1101
01:26:30,618 --> 01:26:35,493
Because this system is more like in your value act than ours." So they

1102
01:26:36,963 --> 01:26:41,343
regularly ask the local regional Department of Health to get involved with that.

1103
01:26:42,183 --> 01:26:47,073
With regards to traffic coming in, Gordon can talk about his experiences with DOT

1104
01:26:47,133 --> 01:26:53,013
and what's happening here in the Route 28 corridor and talk about when we say

1105
01:26:53,193 --> 01:26:53,343
a

1106
01:26:54,993 --> 01:27:00,723
peak hour rate, a number of cars as far as trip generation, that's in a

1107
01:27:00,783 --> 01:27:05,403
peak hour. It isn't the total number of cars that are coming on the site.

1108
01:27:05,433 --> 01:27:10,473
It is during a peak hour based on statistical analysis that that's where his number

1109
01:27:10,503 --> 01:27:16,383
comes about is the trip generation is showing in a peak hour, in that window, that

1110
01:27:16,503 --> 01:27:21,723
the trip generation statistically is showing 30 cars impacting Route 28 at that

1111
01:27:21,783 --> 01:27:23,223
peak window. And again-

1112
01:27:24,003 --> 01:27:28,563
Is that derived from a yearly statistic or a season?

1113
01:27:28,863 --> 01:27:30,693
30 cars in one period of time.

1114
01:27:30,753 --> 01:27:31,113
In an hour.

1115
01:27:31,143 --> 01:27:34,623
But they all had to leave work at the same time, that peak hour.

1116
01:27:34,713 --> 01:27:38,267
They're going to like, "Oh, we'll go this hour." Okay, you just go at 9:00.

1117
01:27:38,283 --> 01:27:42,378
Okay, there's more people at 10:00. That peak hour, they all go at the same time.

1118
01:27:42,543 --> 01:27:43,773
That's why you can't get in on 28.

1119
01:27:43,968 --> 01:27:47,403
I think that's a yearly statistic.

1120
01:27:47,463 --> 01:27:47,478
Yeah.

1121
01:27:47,493 --> 01:27:50,223
The peak hour changes, especially during changeover day.

1122
01:27:50,313 --> 01:27:56,193
Changeover day, one line goes way past almost to the bottom of 11, and the

1123
01:27:56,223 --> 01:28:00,303
other line goes almost to 400 building. On changeover day.

1124
01:28:00,363 --> 01:28:02,674
They have to go to three parks before they go into your case.

1125
01:28:03,003 --> 01:28:05,343
I don't know, Gordon, how much you can address this if you want.

1126
01:28:05,433 --> 01:28:05,674
No.

1127
01:28:06,093 --> 01:28:06,108
Okay.

1128
01:28:06,753 --> 01:28:08,658
Can I ask you one more question, please?

1129
01:28:09,093 --> 01:28:09,273
Yes.

1130
01:28:09,573 --> 01:28:14,343
You're talking about a $30,000 to $40,000 gallon storage tank.

1131
01:28:15,453 --> 01:28:16,427
Is that right?

1132
01:28:16,503 --> 01:28:19,203
Like I said, we haven't exactly sized it, but we're just-

1133
01:28:20,088 --> 01:28:22,623
Well, the way I've got it, you're using 30,000 to 40,000

1134
01:28:23,103 --> 01:28:28,998
gallons a day. So you're basically telling me you'll have one day's worth of

1135
01:28:29,013 --> 01:28:29,883
water in storage,

1136
01:28:31,323 --> 01:28:33,903
but you're not going to be draining everybody's aquifer because you-

1137
01:28:33,963 --> 01:28:37,788
We'll provide the board with that water balance test first.

1138
01:28:37,834 --> 01:28:43,293
That means that we will provide in our water report the expected

1139
01:28:43,563 --> 01:28:49,143
required amount of water usage, and we'll provide that water

1140
01:28:49,203 --> 01:28:54,663
equation based on the well yield versus the worst case

1141
01:28:54,753 --> 01:28:58,113
scenario for all of the demands on the property.

1142
01:28:58,174 --> 01:29:01,263
I don't have those numbers in front of me, so I don't want to quote that.

1143
01:29:01,533 --> 01:29:05,418
Okay. The stop light you find is at an acceptable level, besides look acceptable

1144
01:29:05,643 --> 01:29:05,793
is...

1145
01:29:07,983 --> 01:29:08,913
You hired a,

1146
01:29:11,943 --> 01:29:12,573
what is it, a

1147
01:29:15,693 --> 01:29:19,143
wetland expert? Was it? Who paid him?

1148
01:29:20,073 --> 01:29:20,342
AECOM.

1149
01:29:20,448 --> 01:29:21,709
Who paid him?

1150
01:29:21,753 --> 01:29:24,183
Our development team with AECOM.

1151
01:29:25,023 --> 01:29:26,103
I think that's perfect.

1152
01:29:28,713 --> 01:29:32,343
And it's just reviewed by the US Army Corps of Engineers.

1153
01:29:32,433 --> 01:29:34,023
That jurisdictional report-

1154
01:29:34,623 --> 01:29:37,834
No, I don't think so. We need to move this on.

1155
01:29:38,433 --> 01:29:42,213
Okay. Again, I know the question will boil to the group, but certainly we're going

1156
01:29:42,243 --> 01:29:45,334
to respond to the planning board agent, right, so thanks.

1157
01:29:45,424 --> 01:29:48,993
Just have one small question. One question.

1158
01:29:49,383 --> 01:29:53,013
How much space are this between each

1159
01:29:55,053 --> 01:29:55,683
structure?

1160
01:29:56,793 --> 01:29:58,788
About 18 feet.

1161
01:29:58,788 --> 01:30:00,932
18 feet.

1162
01:30:01,233 --> 01:30:06,993
That's what,

1163
01:30:07,593 --> 01:30:10,113
so I was thinking two points, which is 17. That's 20 between buildings.

1164
01:30:10,174 --> 01:30:13,398
So it's 18 between the pads, that's the building.

1165
01:30:13,503 --> 01:30:14,523
I'm sure it's 18.

1166
01:30:14,973 --> 01:30:15,334
Okay.

1167
01:30:15,393 --> 01:30:17,613
So between each one-

1168
01:30:17,763 --> 01:30:18,258
Next question

1169
01:30:18,258 --> 01:30:23,523
... it's 20 feet, and then between the rows, how much is it?

1170
01:30:24,573 --> 01:30:26,943
The row is 24 to slide.

1171
01:30:28,233 --> 01:30:33,213
Under the rows. It's rows of-

1172
01:30:33,363 --> 01:30:33,752
Okay.

1173
01:30:33,873 --> 01:30:37,413
So in other words, the two rows that are together, how much space between

1174
01:30:38,613 --> 01:30:38,793
each-

1175
01:30:44,823 --> 01:31:04,353
So

1176
01:31:05,043 --> 01:31:08,643
Greg, you've been I think more than really generous-

1177
01:31:08,703 --> 01:31:08,883
Yes

1178
01:31:08,973 --> 01:31:13,893
... in having the interaction with everyone who has taken the time and the interest

1179
01:31:13,924 --> 01:31:14,433
to come out.

1180
01:31:14,853 --> 01:31:16,533
And we understand the concerns.

1181
01:31:16,623 --> 01:31:19,248
The board definitely have a couple questions about that.

1182
01:31:19,323 --> 01:31:19,549
Okay.

1183
01:31:25,834 --> 01:31:30,978
So we have a test question for you. I missed the last month's meeting, so maybe

1184
01:31:31,113 --> 01:31:35,433
this was already answered, but are all of the RVs provided, or

1185
01:31:35,493 --> 01:31:40,968
will there be any spaces for people hauling an RV from out of

1186
01:31:41,013 --> 01:31:46,113
town to park it at your lot, or are these all prefab RVs?

1187
01:31:47,658 --> 01:31:53,268
I'll be back. So don't anticipate hearing me enroll government.

1188
01:31:54,049 --> 01:32:00,033
For a 4,000 draw. These are all the people impacted that are the kind of,

1189
01:32:00,648 --> 01:32:05,568
we expect, the expectation is that these baseball families will ride in with

1190
01:32:06,138 --> 01:32:10,848
usually one car, right? No car is really-

1191
01:32:11,299 --> 01:32:11,688
So it's-

1192
01:32:12,978 --> 01:32:15,213
Oh, gotcha. So one second.

1193
01:32:15,213 --> 01:32:15,468
Perfect.

1194
01:32:16,098 --> 01:32:21,527
So I did have a question as well, and I know we did hear some questions and some

1195
01:32:21,558 --> 01:32:24,678
concerns about economic impact and jobs.

1196
01:32:25,218 --> 01:32:30,948
Has there been any studies put together by yourself or your operation,

1197
01:32:31,398 --> 01:32:33,663
how many jobs might be involved here?

1198
01:32:33,709 --> 01:32:39,424
Yeah, a feasibility study done, and there is nine total jobs that will be

1199
01:32:39,558 --> 01:32:40,398
created.

1200
01:32:43,023 --> 01:32:47,088
So that's four of those vehicles trying to be around the digital.

1201
01:32:48,438 --> 01:32:49,938
Oh, very good.

1202
01:32:51,348 --> 01:32:53,808
Is there any other planning board members having questions?

1203
01:32:54,108 --> 01:32:55,818
I just want to, I don't know.

1204
01:32:57,558 --> 01:33:00,528
I just reiterate that,

1205
01:33:02,148 --> 01:33:07,698
yeah, the importance of potential land use law for projects like these is

1206
01:33:07,728 --> 01:33:13,653
something for town residents to think about because this is a campground, and

1207
01:33:13,728 --> 01:33:18,888
in the town, without zoning or land use law, people have

1208
01:33:19,638 --> 01:33:21,198
freedom to really do whatever they want.

1209
01:33:21,378 --> 01:33:26,478
So, just something to think about.

1210
01:33:26,523 --> 01:33:31,459
And not something that is addressed by the planning board that is a town hall.

1211
01:33:31,549 --> 01:33:31,848
Yes.

1212
01:33:33,318 --> 01:33:38,538
Yeah. The original traffic study they used submitted, sir, 62,

1213
01:33:39,799 --> 01:33:45,648
and the plan changed to 76. So we got the board feel a lot more

1214
01:33:45,738 --> 01:33:50,568
comfortable about initial traffic study at your expense.

1215
01:33:51,498 --> 01:33:54,258
And on the other, it's very important as well.

1216
01:33:55,788 --> 01:33:58,278
In reality, that would put it off till next summer.

1217
01:33:58,368 --> 01:34:01,218
So I know you want to progress forward. We didn't.

1218
01:34:01,788 --> 01:34:06,963
Oh, yeah, we did a traffic study with 76 units. Elise, did you share that with us?

1219
01:34:07,068 --> 01:34:07,908
Yes, sir.

1220
01:34:09,138 --> 01:34:12,888
Okay. Well, we said no because said it was normal position.

1221
01:34:14,118 --> 01:34:18,288
We can make sure that it's the right way. We have updated it so. Yeah.

1222
01:34:18,378 --> 01:34:22,728
I do have a follow-up question, and this is something that we've been talking about

1223
01:34:23,418 --> 01:34:29,328
for many years with regards Route 28 and traffic studies, and the

1224
01:34:29,388 --> 01:34:35,118
reality of what a changeover day is, that emergency vehicles cannot get

1225
01:34:35,148 --> 01:34:40,893
through. Sheriff deputy patrol can't go through. The traffic is like a standstill.

1226
01:34:41,268 --> 01:34:46,878
And yet all of the studies come back and say, "Well,

1227
01:34:47,388 --> 01:34:53,118
it's really not a big thing." But on the day of the changeover, in

1228
01:34:53,178 --> 01:34:58,488
those certain hours, it is a significant concern.

1229
01:34:58,608 --> 01:35:03,768
People are late for work. People have to go out of their way to get to work.

1230
01:35:03,828 --> 01:35:05,538
An ambulance couldn't get through.

1231
01:35:05,928 --> 01:35:11,538
Like, how do we take that reality and turn it into a

1232
01:35:11,598 --> 01:35:17,299
traffic study that could actually change what that space

1233
01:35:17,328 --> 01:35:17,988
looks like?

1234
01:35:18,378 --> 01:35:21,198
So I'm going to put in how often does changeover day?

1235
01:35:21,738 --> 01:35:22,338
Every week.

1236
01:35:23,088 --> 01:35:24,799
Every six days.

1237
01:35:24,948 --> 01:35:25,128
No.

1238
01:35:25,143 --> 01:35:26,508
Twice.

1239
01:35:26,568 --> 01:35:32,448
You don't know? Of course you should know.

1240
01:35:35,118 --> 01:35:41,898
So

1241
01:35:42,018 --> 01:35:46,008
the changeover day, that's a primary concern.

1242
01:35:46,398 --> 01:35:50,238
Unfortunately, that's something that is probably a very wide study that needs to be

1243
01:35:50,328 --> 01:35:55,578
done. I would recommend you reach out to like the MPO.

1244
01:35:59,778 --> 01:36:05,508
Also, there needs to be a broader study than the-- So it needs to be a broader

1245
01:36:05,568 --> 01:36:08,388
study, but the impact is little right there.

1246
01:36:08,748 --> 01:36:08,763
But-

1247
01:36:08,763 --> 01:36:12,108
Well, again, talking about that time for the output.

1248
01:36:12,168 --> 01:36:15,498
No, but the source impact of this is right there. I understand.

1249
01:36:15,588 --> 01:36:18,888
We there, too, proceed, try to back it up very quickly.

1250
01:36:19,174 --> 01:36:24,438
I think what the gentleman is trying to tell us is that that study

1251
01:36:24,558 --> 01:36:27,888
exceeds his scope to be able to study it out.

1252
01:36:27,948 --> 01:36:28,459
So what-

1253
01:36:28,638 --> 01:36:32,299
And it's a DOT study.

1254
01:36:32,358 --> 01:36:37,653
It's all over beach. What we're doing, I'll put all the

1255
01:36:37,653 --> 01:36:38,883
hard work.

1256
01:36:38,883 --> 01:36:39,993
That looks like... Did I not say that?

1257
01:36:40,143 --> 01:36:45,858
No, no, you're totally right. So our traffic study, it focuses on the peak

1258
01:36:46,038 --> 01:36:48,678
hours of the roads on a typical day.

1259
01:36:49,098 --> 01:36:53,913
So I understand that that's a recurring day, and that's something that we can

1260
01:36:53,928 --> 01:36:55,428
address when we talk with DOT.

1261
01:36:56,658 --> 01:37:00,122
But I want to clarify just a couple of quick things on traffic study just for

1262
01:37:00,168 --> 01:37:04,248
everyone's education. The traffic study looks at three scenarios.

1263
01:37:04,578 --> 01:37:09,709
It looks at the existing operation, it looks at a background design year operation

1264
01:37:09,768 --> 01:37:13,459
with growth and traffic, and it looks at build condition with the traffic added.

1265
01:37:13,518 --> 01:37:15,138
That was one of the questions that was asked.

1266
01:37:15,498 --> 01:37:19,218
So there are three scenarios that we look at. We don't just look at existing.

1267
01:37:20,209 --> 01:37:24,243
But ultimately, and I guess also the other issue is the site distance.

1268
01:37:24,588 --> 01:37:29,508
We take site distance measurements, we compare them to design values, based on

1269
01:37:29,778 --> 01:37:31,098
design speeds that are out there,

1270
01:37:32,328 --> 01:37:37,428
observed operating speeds, and we make sure that our site distance meets that

1271
01:37:37,459 --> 01:37:38,388
design criteria.

1272
01:37:39,678 --> 01:37:41,358
Based on our measurements, they do.

1273
01:37:42,018 --> 01:37:46,728
That will all be reviewed by New York State DOT, because they have to do a permit

1274
01:37:46,788 --> 01:37:51,183
for that access. So they are very stringent on site distance.

1275
01:37:51,542 --> 01:37:54,378
They are very stringent on the methodology and traffic study.

1276
01:37:54,678 --> 01:38:00,542
As I said, I've done, in my current career and my job where I've

1277
01:38:00,558 --> 01:38:06,003
probably done 2,000 traffic studies. DOT is a very stringent reviewer.

1278
01:38:06,228 --> 01:38:08,748
We're not sneaking things by them.

1279
01:38:09,049 --> 01:38:11,988
We don't fabricate our numbers because we're being paid by the developer.

1280
01:38:12,618 --> 01:38:15,828
The developer has to pay for the studies because no one else will.

1281
01:38:16,727 --> 01:38:20,628
You're not going to do it on paper, studies for people to build things.

1282
01:38:21,108 --> 01:38:26,867
So, we're bound by ethics codes. Our license will be revoked if we're fudging

1283
01:38:26,928 --> 01:38:30,709
numbers. If I did that, I wouldn't be in business for 30 years.

1284
01:38:31,938 --> 01:38:37,593
But the broader issue with the corridor, it is a problem, and it

1285
01:38:37,818 --> 01:38:40,459
needs to be, if it's focused on that intersection.

1286
01:38:42,408 --> 01:38:46,998
The biggest time to address that is when Three Parks is coming in for expansion.

1287
01:38:47,508 --> 01:38:51,228
Because if you're talking about them expanding their operation, that's when they

1288
01:38:51,288 --> 01:38:56,088
have to do a study, and they have to address their access, because that's the

1289
01:38:56,148 --> 01:38:57,527
fundamental stop.

1290
01:38:59,148 --> 01:39:02,117
But that's the best answer I can give you.

1291
01:39:02,209 --> 01:39:06,753
You should talk about it. It's still being stated, though, from the current ability

1292
01:39:06,918 --> 01:39:07,818
of the new draft.

1293
01:39:08,058 --> 01:39:10,728
So a lot of times, I'm from Chenango.

1294
01:39:10,938 --> 01:39:16,878
It's like a very small rural village as well, and we have a-- It's

1295
01:39:16,938 --> 01:39:21,948
not the same situation. I was understanding, you have an intersection that is a

1296
01:39:22,008 --> 01:39:26,718
classic accident problem. It's just that the road become a bypass with the casino

1297
01:39:26,748 --> 01:39:32,643
that came in. There's speeding, there's issues, and ultimately the New York

1298
01:39:32,643 --> 01:39:37,368
State Policy and Preparation, which is our MPO.

1299
01:39:37,818 --> 01:39:40,203
I did a study on the intersection. There was

1300
01:39:41,508 --> 01:39:43,338
questionnaires went out to the entire village.

1301
01:39:44,028 --> 01:39:49,068
I had my input as a resident, and they provided recommendations on how to improve

1302
01:39:49,098 --> 01:39:53,463
that intersection as a town intersection, because it's not on state roadways, it's

1303
01:39:53,478 --> 01:39:58,638
not on county roadways. So, reaching out to your MPO is the best way to address

1304
01:39:58,668 --> 01:40:01,428
that broader regional issue you're having.

1305
01:40:01,518 --> 01:40:03,948
Yeah. What does MPO stand for? I have to say-

1306
01:40:03,963 --> 01:40:05,988
Multi-County Transportation Company.

1307
01:40:06,049 --> 01:40:07,968
Yeah, I don't think they're one of those, though.

1308
01:40:08,868 --> 01:40:11,209
Did you work with Sean Murphy at all in Binghamton?

1309
01:40:11,223 --> 01:40:11,223
Yeah.

1310
01:40:11,448 --> 01:40:13,638
I saw that name. You worked with Sean Murphy for years.

1311
01:40:13,728 --> 01:40:14,418
Okay. Yeah

1312
01:40:14,478 --> 01:40:18,468
I think he does a lot of it. They have their kind of site plan review committee.

1313
01:40:18,498 --> 01:40:21,738
They're out of the New York State DOT out of Binghamton.

1314
01:40:21,799 --> 01:40:23,133
Yeah, Binghamton has a very good-

1315
01:40:23,508 --> 01:40:23,733
Yeah

1316
01:40:23,733 --> 01:40:25,248
... coordinator for Binghamton.

1317
01:40:25,608 --> 01:40:31,128
So I think they oversee our county, too, because for all the-- Like these things,

1318
01:40:31,459 --> 01:40:35,703
highway work permits with the permits and everything, like traffic impact studies,

1319
01:40:36,228 --> 01:40:37,188
those only go to,

1320
01:40:38,538 --> 01:40:42,228
yeah, the Binghamton office. So that's who we would be, I

1321
01:40:42,318 --> 01:40:45,438
guess, work with.

1322
01:40:47,898 --> 01:40:47,913
So.

1323
01:40:48,078 --> 01:40:49,368
English would be-

1324
01:40:49,428 --> 01:40:50,328
English, yeah

1325
01:40:50,358 --> 01:40:55,968
... this whole thing with Green Park, it just is become a not just a homey

1326
01:40:55,998 --> 01:40:57,993
village, it's a regional issue

1327
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:03,345
The traffic patterns have moved to 205 to avoid the nightmarish 200.

1328
01:41:04,951 --> 01:41:10,529
So now 205 has a big impact on traffic going through there. People live on 205.

1329
01:41:11,790 --> 01:41:17,580
You have gone from probably, let's say, one car every 60 seconds to

1330
01:41:17,790 --> 01:41:23,040
15 cars a second in peak hours because everybody's learned that is the way around

1331
01:41:23,580 --> 01:41:27,330
it. But people are going nowhere to get to that pocket.

1332
01:41:28,201 --> 01:41:34,080
You can't get to that pocket. If you work there, it's not going to get

1333
01:41:34,140 --> 01:41:34,380
there.

1334
01:41:35,610 --> 01:41:37,201
So that's part of the frustration.

1335
01:41:37,650 --> 01:41:43,020
There you go, it is affecting the entire area, not just Rte.

1336
01:41:44,731 --> 01:41:49,350
3. So this probably is pushing people that we need around there to have a town

1337
01:41:49,500 --> 01:41:55,110
request, or that's the thing. The other thing,

1338
01:41:55,231 --> 01:41:57,780
there's not a lot being done to improve our infrastructure.

1339
01:41:58,125 --> 01:41:59,370
The state doesn't do much.

1340
01:42:00,660 --> 01:42:02,580
Pretty universally statewide,

1341
01:42:04,170 --> 01:42:08,520
the state is just more of a maintenance versus an infrastructure.

1342
01:42:08,610 --> 01:42:09,360
I think-

1343
01:42:11,130 --> 01:42:14,731
I agree with you

1344
01:42:14,745 --> 01:42:14,745
...

1345
01:42:17,850 --> 01:42:20,970
I don't have a lot of faith in the Department of Transportation, as you've said.

1346
01:42:21,870 --> 01:42:24,031
I won't break the comment.

1347
01:42:25,890 --> 01:42:30,870
I would like to say, and I know I made this comment earlier, and I know that it

1348
01:42:30,930 --> 01:42:33,180
was...

1349
01:42:35,281 --> 01:42:40,336
But if the traffic is traveling to and from Greens Farm,

1350
01:42:41,250 --> 01:42:47,191
having facilities closer to the farm will bring that traffic in instead

1351
01:42:47,220 --> 01:42:51,691
of having to drive, as they're saying, drive 10 miles in or whatever.

1352
01:42:52,020 --> 01:42:55,740
It will reduce some of the traffic outside of the immediate area that's already

1353
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:56,520
here anyway.

1354
01:42:56,580 --> 01:42:56,865
Mm-hmm.

1355
01:42:56,970 --> 01:42:59,880
So this isn't really generating new traffic.

1356
01:42:59,941 --> 01:43:05,550
This is how the traffic that's going across the road.

1357
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:11,130
In public.

1358
01:43:11,191 --> 01:43:12,195
On the 15th.

1359
01:43:12,300 --> 01:43:12,465
Cool.

1360
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:21,031
Going establishment, I think, because when they apply for that, they're going to

1361
01:43:21,090 --> 01:43:25,890
create a whole other type of private frontage because even the

1362
01:43:25,951 --> 01:43:29,265
people that live

1363
01:43:29,580 --> 01:43:33,975
in townhouses and apartments, they have their own separate entrances.

1364
01:43:34,020 --> 01:43:35,401
No, they don't. They bought.

1365
01:43:35,461 --> 01:43:36,015
Sometimes

1366
01:43:37,590 --> 01:43:43,531
people from wherever, California, that don't want

1367
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:45,240
to be

1368
01:43:46,110 --> 01:43:51,600
Into the already existing section with the giant homes.

1369
01:43:52,380 --> 01:43:54,480
We'll say I don't think they're allowing any RVC.

1370
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:56,910
They're not allowing anything stationary.

1371
01:43:57,000 --> 01:44:00,300
Not going to allow traffic, nothing will allow them in. It's not there.

1372
01:44:01,201 --> 01:44:02,340
They're really going to shift.

1373
01:44:02,370 --> 01:44:08,130
Those buildings

1374
01:44:08,191 --> 01:44:09,691
themselves are taxable.

1375
01:44:10,441 --> 01:44:12,990
Like that.

1376
01:44:14,191 --> 01:44:17,925
Like 200 bucks. It's 100 bucks.

1377
01:44:18,540 --> 01:44:22,770
Not taxable, but I think that's bizarre.

1378
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:23,520
Right.

1379
01:44:24,060 --> 01:44:29,265
Well, I think with the planning board, we have a couple things that we want.

1380
01:44:29,265 --> 01:44:31,170
That they're a little testy where we

1381
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:36,781
can navigate this whole

1382
01:44:38,941 --> 01:44:44,865
application. We want it to be sure that we're following all the

1383
01:44:44,865 --> 01:44:50,850
things that we do in the right order, and we do have the ability to engage our own

1384
01:44:50,865 --> 01:44:54,600
planning board to go through that process.

1385
01:44:55,410 --> 01:44:59,281
And that is something that I would suggest that-

1386
01:44:59,566 --> 01:45:01,441
Well, we have an attorney.

1387
01:45:01,845 --> 01:45:02,430
Okay. Yeah

1388
01:45:02,550 --> 01:45:08,010
And we have her back at the attorney. So we have no guidance there at this moment.

1389
01:45:08,910 --> 01:45:10,785
And then the other thing is the engineering firm.

1390
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:14,776
Oh, okay. So could you tell us a little bit about that very quickly?

1391
01:45:14,820 --> 01:45:19,830
Well, we don't have one. So I guess the question is, I've heard there's a board

1392
01:45:19,890 --> 01:45:23,970
want to engage their own engineering firm to basically check

1393
01:45:25,740 --> 01:45:28,620
the reports that we're getting to make sure that they agree.

1394
01:45:31,050 --> 01:45:36,300
Being that none of us are engineers, I think that's a great idea to have a

1395
01:45:37,350 --> 01:45:38,370
third party.

1396
01:45:40,470 --> 01:45:41,670
Who would pay for that?

1397
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:42,464
Who would pay for that?

1398
01:45:42,691 --> 01:45:46,470
Comes from the escrow that is provided by the developer.

1399
01:45:47,804 --> 01:45:50,701
Not.

1400
01:45:50,730 --> 01:45:55,349
We haven't had a project this large in some time.

1401
01:45:57,090 --> 01:46:02,865
So we haven't really... We might want to do it, but the

1402
01:46:02,941 --> 01:46:05,670
escrow account we have, we can do that, right?

1403
01:46:07,531 --> 01:46:13,050
Have that, so we won't do that. I'll do that.

1404
01:46:13,980 --> 01:46:16,920
And yeah, we'll have two different ones.

1405
01:46:20,010 --> 01:46:20,281
Yes.

1406
01:46:20,490 --> 01:46:20,714
And

1407
01:46:22,201 --> 01:46:23,760
is that the last thing?

1408
01:46:24,451 --> 01:46:24,961
Tonight.

1409
01:46:30,464 --> 01:46:31,201
$2 million.

1410
01:46:32,701 --> 01:46:37,320
So it doesn't really matter. Escrow is just money we're going to have in our

1411
01:46:37,380 --> 01:46:43,304
account. But whatever it costs, then they'll have

1412
01:46:43,350 --> 01:46:44,026
to pick it up.

1413
01:46:44,281 --> 01:46:49,125
So bottom line, any additional studies that are required are borne

1414
01:46:50,430 --> 01:46:55,634
by the escrow account provided by the developer, not the taxpayers of

1415
01:46:56,220 --> 01:46:57,990
Northborough.

1416
01:46:58,140 --> 01:46:58,740
Right.

1417
01:46:59,461 --> 01:47:01,920
So the board decided on 1%.

1418
01:47:04,740 --> 01:47:06,781
I have a question, right. I won't take a minute.

1419
01:47:07,290 --> 01:47:10,620
If Warren Higgins were here, he'd be making them litigate.

1420
01:47:10,980 --> 01:47:11,461
He'd be saying-

1421
01:47:11,490 --> 01:47:12,810
No, you're way ahead of time

1422
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:13,770
... We're not there yet.

1423
01:47:13,785 --> 01:47:14,685
No, we're not there yet.

1424
01:47:14,730 --> 01:47:20,370
I know, but I'm just saying they're proposing a certain number of units, and

1425
01:47:20,970 --> 01:47:26,100
it's a really tight density, and I'm just saying at some future point or whatever,

1426
01:47:26,429 --> 01:47:32,160
maybe there's an ability to tone it down so that it's more of a rural

1427
01:47:32,281 --> 01:47:35,279
character, it's less impact, et cetera.

1428
01:47:35,340 --> 01:47:37,470
They may decide that that's not cost-effective.

1429
01:47:37,935 --> 01:47:40,619
In other words, they want this number, they want this density.

1430
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:43,770
But I don't think the town wants this number and this density.

1431
01:47:44,941 --> 01:47:49,020
That's what I'm getting. So maybe there's a way to build something that's

1432
01:47:50,130 --> 01:47:55,890
resort, whatever, on the mill, fine.

1433
01:47:55,951 --> 01:47:58,770
But this is really dense on a lot of numbers.

1434
01:48:00,300 --> 01:48:01,920
I think that's what most of us are feeling.

1435
01:48:04,740 --> 01:48:05,430
Like what?

1436
01:48:05,970 --> 01:48:06,691
It's something-

1437
01:48:06,750 --> 01:48:07,680
In your own building.

1438
01:48:10,020 --> 01:48:10,035
Mm-hmm.

1439
01:48:10,050 --> 01:48:14,010
The recycling as well as the traffic study.

1440
01:48:15,300 --> 01:48:18,810
Whatever else we need to do.

1441
01:48:18,901 --> 01:48:19,545
Oh, I see.

1442
01:48:19,620 --> 01:48:25,441
Interesting that whatever other engineering issues that we need them to address for

1443
01:48:25,500 --> 01:48:27,451
us.

1444
01:48:27,691 --> 01:48:28,965
Okay.

1445
01:48:28,980 --> 01:48:33,090
Okay, we have a motion and second. All in favor? Aye.

1446
01:48:34,531 --> 01:48:36,810
Okay. The town, I believe, will check in.

1447
01:48:36,961 --> 01:48:40,201
I'm not sure with all this, the town being host on something.

1448
01:48:40,290 --> 01:48:41,580
Yeah, we do too.

1449
01:48:42,510 --> 01:48:44,701
Tony, is that what you guys are usually using?

1450
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:46,711
For engineering?

1451
01:48:46,830 --> 01:48:49,290
Yeah. I see that in emails and stuff a lot.

1452
01:48:49,470 --> 01:48:53,820
I think that's an option. I haven't used anything since we've been on, so-

1453
01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:55,230
Okay. So you don't have an actual-

1454
01:48:55,531 --> 01:48:57,000
Delaware.

1455
01:48:57,090 --> 01:48:57,570
Delaware.

1456
01:48:57,705 --> 01:48:57,705
Delaware.

1457
01:48:58,290 --> 01:49:02,250
You don't have to vote on that one.

1458
01:49:04,050 --> 01:49:05,970
Let me see if I did.

1459
01:49:06,090 --> 01:49:07,590
Yeah, in-

1460
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:10,935
If you even have to vote on that.

1461
01:49:10,935 --> 01:49:11,191
Kevin has

1462
01:49:11,205 --> 01:49:19,380
another

1463
01:49:19,531 --> 01:49:22,590
zoning term, which is why it's a challenge.

1464
01:49:22,605 --> 01:49:27,781
Okay. I just think we're just cleaning on you, Bill.

1465
01:49:28,500 --> 01:49:31,620
Oh, no. They alerted.

1466
01:49:31,665 --> 01:49:31,665
Oh, okay.

1467
01:49:31,711 --> 01:49:32,459
Yeah, that was your email.

1468
01:49:32,550 --> 01:49:36,390
Oh, okay. Yeah. Those were. Yeah, we have all the

1469
01:49:38,130 --> 01:49:39,870
Yeah. We're going to send it to you.

1470
01:49:47,070 --> 01:49:49,185
Yeah. So when we go back, we don't put all the-

1471
01:49:49,470 --> 01:49:53,910
Yeah, Delaware, all the accessory buildings. That's the entire thing.

1472
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:57,390
This way, this the agreement? Yeah, I can find.

1473
01:49:59,892 --> 01:50:02,142
That's acceptable to people?

1474
01:50:05,682 --> 01:50:09,928
Yeah, so then now we're going to take the

1475
01:50:13,032 --> 01:50:16,332
allocation that's going to.

1476
01:50:21,012 --> 01:50:25,812
So at least that someone's going to...

1477
01:50:28,062 --> 01:50:28,093
You

1478
01:50:30,402 --> 01:50:33,312
do want to have

1479
01:50:34,542 --> 01:50:36,327
physical presence or at

1480
01:50:37,603 --> 01:50:41,742
least

1481
01:50:41,757 --> 01:50:44,262
home presence or something.

1482
01:50:44,277 --> 01:50:46,242
So we need to vote on table.

1483
01:50:47,262 --> 01:50:48,311
Oh, yes, right.

1484
01:50:49,332 --> 01:50:50,981
We'll get a table down, please.

1485
01:50:51,822 --> 01:50:54,252
One second. On table, all right.

1486
01:50:54,673 --> 01:50:59,593
Any way you can informally

1487
01:51:00,613 --> 01:51:02,412
get some input from the NPO?

1488
01:51:03,372 --> 01:51:06,462
Yeah, definitely.

1489
01:51:06,492 --> 01:51:06,882
Yeah.

1490
01:51:07,812 --> 01:51:09,027
That's been such

1491
01:51:10,242 --> 01:51:11,442
a long-

1492
01:51:11,892 --> 01:51:15,298
So they have, like, a regional site plan view, and normally,

1493
01:51:16,603 --> 01:51:18,942
yeah, any of these applications, they have views.

1494
01:51:18,972 --> 01:51:21,687
But I don't know, it's further along after the project's-

1495
01:51:22,122 --> 01:51:23,202
So our reps.

1496
01:51:24,387 --> 01:51:24,387
Oh,

1497
01:51:25,632 --> 01:51:28,122
okay.

1498
01:51:28,542 --> 01:51:30,312
If you're looking at a larger...

1499
01:51:31,932 --> 01:51:36,447
Reach out to Sean Murphy and ask the planning department, looks at it through the

1500
01:51:36,447 --> 01:51:37,662
development as well.

1501
01:51:38,247 --> 01:51:41,262
Oh, yeah. All right. Yeah. Okay.

1502
01:51:41,457 --> 01:51:44,412
A lot of times they'll, they may start something.

1503
01:51:44,622 --> 01:51:46,572
They'll give in a request from the top.

1504
01:51:46,872 --> 01:51:47,113
Okay.

1505
01:51:47,442 --> 01:51:49,692
I can't ask them to do a quarter or something.

1506
01:51:51,492 --> 01:51:52,692
Yeah. No, that's just like-

1507
01:51:52,962 --> 01:51:55,332
They have their own planning department.

1508
01:51:55,603 --> 01:51:58,093
Yeah, they have their own professionals.

1509
01:51:58,107 --> 01:52:01,497
So in regards to this staff that they may like, they're able to come to the

1510
01:52:01,542 --> 01:52:01,992
drummer.

1511
01:52:02,472 --> 01:52:03,162
Yeah, exactly.

1512
01:52:03,853 --> 01:52:07,152
Potentially. What we want is almost the region.

1513
01:52:07,752 --> 01:52:07,932
Yeah.

1514
01:52:08,173 --> 01:52:11,232
So yeah, because of the effect on the entire region.

1515
01:52:12,072 --> 01:52:12,252
Yeah.

1516
01:52:13,332 --> 01:52:17,232
So hopefully, and like you were saying, hopefully if Green Park comes back into us

1517
01:52:17,292 --> 01:52:18,282
for something else,

1518
01:52:19,722 --> 01:52:21,761
possibly improve things over there.

1519
01:52:21,822 --> 01:52:27,642
I heard from Pat, whatever, actually made a suggestion to Green Park to do a second

1520
01:52:27,702 --> 01:52:28,962
lane off of 280.

1521
01:52:32,832 --> 01:52:34,962
I think that's the idea I myself had.

1522
01:52:39,912 --> 01:52:42,462
Any other things that we need to do as a board?

1523
01:52:46,782 --> 01:52:49,272
None come to mind.

1524
01:52:49,392 --> 01:52:50,742
I suppose-

1525
01:52:52,782 --> 01:52:54,343
Oh, I have one, Greg.

1526
01:52:54,387 --> 01:52:54,387
Sure.

1527
01:52:54,432 --> 01:52:58,242
It's the more of a site plan question-

1528
01:52:58,542 --> 01:52:58,752
Uh-huh.

1529
01:52:58,782 --> 01:53:01,093
About the gentleman who called me.

1530
01:53:02,382 --> 01:53:08,082
Is the road frontage for a lot, if they were to do a split, is it 200 feet?

1531
01:53:08,593 --> 01:53:11,022
And if it's less than 200 feet, does it-

1532
01:53:11,501 --> 01:53:12,642
It's lucky.

1533
01:53:12,732 --> 01:53:13,978
It is. What is-

1534
01:53:15,671 --> 01:53:17,202
If it's less than 100 foot

1535
01:53:17,562 --> 01:53:19,272
... that's being online yourself?

1536
01:53:20,202 --> 01:53:25,423
Yeah, because there could be an actual access problem. It depends.

1537
01:53:25,962 --> 01:53:27,492
Sometimes we have to look at-

1538
01:53:27,942 --> 01:53:28,932
Okay, fine

1539
01:53:28,992 --> 01:53:33,673
... because what can happen is, say somebody's giving you that 50 feet, no

1540
01:53:33,853 --> 01:53:34,992
permit.

1541
01:53:35,113 --> 01:53:36,132
Oh, yeah, yeah. Now-

1542
01:53:36,402 --> 01:53:37,272
You have no access.

1543
01:53:37,452 --> 01:53:37,497
Yeah.

1544
01:53:37,497 --> 01:53:38,397
So now there's a problem.

1545
01:53:38,532 --> 01:53:44,488
Okay. So I'll just, I'll call this gentleman back and tell him to get in touch with

1546
01:53:44,488 --> 01:53:44,803
me.

1547
01:53:45,103 --> 01:53:48,776
Yeah. And basically he's coming to the board, and it'll determine what it is. So.

1548
01:53:49,452 --> 01:53:51,282
Okay. All right. Sounds fair.

1549
01:53:53,232 --> 01:53:57,402
And we do, okay, so we still have that, right? He's still here.

1550
01:53:58,363 --> 01:53:58,722
Oh, yeah.

1551
01:53:59,353 --> 01:54:01,512
Okay. So we did have somebody, but

1552
01:54:02,772 --> 01:54:03,853
you want to put him ahead of

1553
01:54:05,082 --> 01:54:06,282
us because we already know

1554
01:54:08,082 --> 01:54:08,593
Garing.

1555
01:54:09,042 --> 01:54:10,542
I wonder if this is him.

1556
01:54:10,572 --> 01:54:11,428
This is what was here.

1557
01:54:11,472 --> 01:54:13,062
Yeah, that's who you were. That's who-

1558
01:54:13,093 --> 01:54:13,992
There's two of them, no.

1559
01:54:14,082 --> 01:54:15,882
Oh, this is John Hayne. Yeah.

1560
01:54:15,942 --> 01:54:16,093
Yeah.

1561
01:54:16,182 --> 01:54:17,712
This is not the one I was just-

1562
01:54:17,923 --> 01:54:20,472
So basically, he's going to do a minor subdivision.

1563
01:54:20,652 --> 01:54:23,337
Because of, yeah, minor subdivision.

1564
01:54:23,337 --> 01:54:24,912
Because it makes three lots. It's no good.

1565
01:54:25,032 --> 01:54:26,742
It looks like it'll be minor subs a little

1566
01:54:26,952 --> 01:54:32,832
bit more. They recovered it

1567
01:54:32,863 --> 01:54:36,912
pretty well. And they reached out to a friend.

1568
01:54:50,502 --> 01:54:54,522
Where does this one

1569
01:55:07,332 --> 01:55:23,622
end?

1570
01:55:24,432 --> 01:55:25,257
On the road?

1571
01:55:25,962 --> 01:55:28,603
Question mark.

1572
01:55:28,632 --> 01:55:30,162
This one goes

1573
01:55:34,303 --> 01:55:39,762
here. Goes through. This one goes

1574
01:55:40,332 --> 01:55:42,522
here.

1575
01:55:51,732 --> 01:55:53,682
He's not moving.

1576
01:55:53,803 --> 01:55:55,932
Oh, okay. Hold on.

1577
01:55:56,532 --> 01:56:28,992
It's

1578
01:56:30,853 --> 01:57:03,343
all

1579
01:57:04,632 --> 01:57:06,553
his

1580
01:57:07,512 --> 01:57:59,082
lots.