1 00:04:31,937 --> 00:04:35,473 I call the meeting to order this meeting of the Haverhill 2 00:04:35,475 --> 00:04:36,908 this meeting of the Haverhill City Council will be held in 3 00:04:36,910 --> 00:04:38,643 City Council will be held in person at the location provided 4 00:04:38,645 --> 00:04:40,545 person at the location provided on this notice, as its official 5 00:04:40,547 --> 00:04:42,247 on this notice, as its official meeting location, pursuant to 6 00:04:42,249 --> 00:04:43,348 meeting location, pursuant to the Open Meeting Law. As the 7 00:04:43,350 --> 00:04:45,217 the Open Meeting Law. As the meeting is held in person at a 8 00:04:45,219 --> 00:04:46,952 meeting is held in person at a physical location that is open 9 00:04:46,954 --> 00:04:48,787 physical location that is open and accessible to the public. 10 00:04:48,789 --> 00:04:49,854 and accessible to the public. The City Council is not 11 00:04:49,856 --> 00:04:51,089 The City Council is not required to provide remote 12 00:04:51,091 --> 00:04:52,757 required to provide remote access to the meeting. Members 13 00:04:52,759 --> 00:04:53,858 access to the meeting. Members of the public are welcome to 14 00:04:53,860 --> 00:04:55,960 of the public are welcome to attend this in-person meeting. 15 00:04:55,962 --> 00:04:57,329 attend this in-person meeting. Please note that a livestream 16 00:04:57,331 --> 00:04:58,563 Please note that a livestream of the meeting is being 17 00:04:58,565 --> 00:05:00,032 of the meeting is being provided only as a courtesy to 18 00:05:00,034 --> 00:05:01,166 provided only as a courtesy to the public, and the meeting 19 00:05:01,168 --> 00:05:03,234 the public, and the meeting will not be suspended or 20 00:05:03,236 --> 00:05:04,936 will not be suspended or terminated if technological 21 00:05:04,938 --> 00:05:06,705 terminated if technological problems interrupt the virtual 22 00:05:06,707 --> 00:05:08,373 problems interrupt the virtual broadcast, unless otherwise 23 00:05:08,375 --> 00:05:10,108 broadcast, unless otherwise required by law. Members of the 24 00:05:10,110 --> 00:05:11,176 required by law. Members of the public with a particular 25 00:05:11,178 --> 00:05:12,911 public with a particular interest in any specific item 26 00:05:12,913 --> 00:05:14,446 interest in any specific item on this agenda should make 27 00:05:14,448 --> 00:05:16,281 on this agenda should make plans for in-person versus 28 00:05:16,283 --> 00:05:18,950 plans for in-person versus virtual attendance accordingly. 29 00:05:18,952 --> 00:05:19,918 virtual attendance accordingly. Those attending tonight's 30 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:20,852 Those attending tonight's meeting should be aware that 31 00:05:20,854 --> 00:05:22,387 meeting should be aware that the meeting is being audio and 32 00:05:22,389 --> 00:05:24,723 the meeting is being audio and video recorded by ABC media. 33 00:05:24,725 --> 00:05:26,991 video recorded by ABC media. Have the Eagle Tribune and Al 34 00:05:26,993 --> 00:05:29,060 Have the Eagle Tribune and Al Pereira. Any members who wish 35 00:05:29,062 --> 00:05:30,662 Pereira. Any members who wish to record any part of this 36 00:05:30,664 --> 00:05:32,130 to record any part of this meeting must inform the Council 37 00:05:32,132 --> 00:05:33,465 meeting must inform the Council President, who will announce 38 00:05:33,467 --> 00:05:35,066 President, who will announce the recording. This is to 39 00:05:35,068 --> 00:05:36,334 the recording. This is to comply with the Massachusetts 40 00:05:36,336 --> 00:05:40,072 comply with the Massachusetts wiretap statute. Thank you. May 41 00:05:40,074 --> 00:05:42,073 wiretap statute. Thank you. May the Supreme legislator grant 42 00:05:42,075 --> 00:05:43,942 the Supreme legislator grant that we be worthy of our power 43 00:05:43,944 --> 00:05:46,177 that we be worthy of our power and responsibility. That we 44 00:05:46,179 --> 00:05:47,946 and responsibility. That we deliberate and achieve with 45 00:05:47,948 --> 00:05:50,014 deliberate and achieve with wisdom and understanding, 46 00:05:50,016 --> 00:05:51,483 wisdom and understanding, recognizing the rights of all 47 00:05:51,485 --> 00:05:53,618 recognizing the rights of all our citizens with full regard 48 00:05:53,620 --> 00:05:55,820 our citizens with full regard for the dignity and justness of 49 00:05:55,822 --> 00:05:57,355 for the dignity and justness of the individual. For those who 50 00:05:57,357 --> 00:05:58,456 the individual. For those who can, please join me in rising 51 00:05:58,458 --> 00:06:01,460 can, please join me in rising for the Pledge of Allegiance. 52 00:06:01,462 --> 00:06:03,661 for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag 53 00:06:03,663 --> 00:06:05,764 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America 54 00:06:05,766 --> 00:06:07,565 of the United States of America and to the Republic for which 55 00:06:07,567 --> 00:06:09,667 and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under 56 00:06:09,669 --> 00:06:12,104 it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty 57 00:06:12,106 --> 00:06:16,174 God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 58 00:06:16,176 --> 00:06:18,110 and justice for all. Uh, Counselor Lewandowski had 59 00:06:18,112 --> 00:06:19,311 Uh, Counselor Lewandowski had the minutes from last meeting. 60 00:06:19,313 --> 00:06:20,912 the minutes from last meeting. She's absent tonight, so we'll 61 00:06:20,914 --> 00:06:22,447 She's absent tonight, so we'll accept them next week. Uh, 62 00:06:22,449 --> 00:06:23,515 accept them next week. Uh, Counselor Tuohy, would you do 63 00:06:23,517 --> 00:06:24,249 Counselor Tuohy, would you do the honors for tonight's 64 00:06:24,251 --> 00:06:24,583 the honors for tonight's meeting? 65 00:06:24,585 --> 00:06:25,250 meeting? Yes, sir. 66 00:06:25,252 --> 00:06:26,918 Yes, sir. Thank you very much, Madam 67 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,854 Thank you very much, Madam clerk. First item, please. 68 00:06:28,856 --> 00:06:30,122 clerk. First item, please. Mayor Barrett and Councilor 69 00:06:30,124 --> 00:06:31,423 Mayor Barrett and Councilor Sullivan wish to introduce 70 00:06:31,425 --> 00:06:33,090 Sullivan wish to introduce Tammy Jo Brzozowski from the 71 00:06:33,092 --> 00:06:34,759 Tammy Jo Brzozowski from the Hilldale Cemetery Association 72 00:06:34,761 --> 00:06:36,194 Hilldale Cemetery Association to speak about this year's 73 00:06:36,196 --> 00:06:37,929 to speak about this year's Wreaths Across America program 74 00:06:37,931 --> 00:06:39,597 Wreaths Across America program at Hilldale Cemetery, which 75 00:06:39,599 --> 00:06:41,266 at Hilldale Cemetery, which will be held on Saturday, 76 00:06:41,268 --> 00:06:42,200 will be held on Saturday, December 19th. 77 00:06:42,202 --> 00:06:42,801 December 19th. Mayor Barrett. 78 00:06:42,803 --> 00:06:43,869 Mayor Barrett. Thank you, Mr. President. Thank 79 00:06:43,871 --> 00:06:45,570 Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you. Councilors. I know many of 80 00:06:45,572 --> 00:06:47,038 you. Councilors. I know many of you have participated in the 81 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,006 you have participated in the Wreaths Across America 82 00:06:48,008 --> 00:06:49,040 Wreaths Across America ceremony, and you have 83 00:06:49,042 --> 00:06:51,176 ceremony, and you have contributed yearly to this 84 00:06:51,178 --> 00:06:54,913 contributed yearly to this great cause and organization. 85 00:06:54,915 --> 00:06:58,417 great cause and organization. Um, I, I've been going to the 86 00:06:58,419 --> 00:07:00,385 Um, I, I've been going to the Hilldale Cemetery for many 87 00:07:00,387 --> 00:07:01,853 Hilldale Cemetery for many moons now. I don't go like I 88 00:07:01,855 --> 00:07:03,822 moons now. I don't go like I did at one time. I used to be a 89 00:07:03,824 --> 00:07:05,891 did at one time. I used to be a prime mower. I tried to mow as 90 00:07:05,893 --> 00:07:09,627 prime mower. I tried to mow as much as, uh, Mr. Herman Ocasio, 91 00:07:09,629 --> 00:07:14,232 much as, uh, Mr. Herman Ocasio, uh, but I couldn't. But, um, 92 00:07:14,234 --> 00:07:16,701 uh, but I couldn't. But, um, uh, the Hilldale Cemetery has 93 00:07:16,703 --> 00:07:18,970 uh, the Hilldale Cemetery has been reclaimed from a forested, 94 00:07:18,972 --> 00:07:21,639 been reclaimed from a forested, uh, piece of property to, uh, 95 00:07:21,641 --> 00:07:24,042 uh, piece of property to, uh, you see, semblance of what it 96 00:07:24,044 --> 00:07:25,777 you see, semblance of what it was when it was a garden, uh, 97 00:07:25,779 --> 00:07:27,512 was when it was a garden, uh, cemetery. And it's thanks to 98 00:07:27,514 --> 00:07:30,782 cemetery. And it's thanks to Tammy. Uh, and the crew there, 99 00:07:30,784 --> 00:07:35,119 Tammy. Uh, and the crew there, um, for doing hard work. Uh, 100 00:07:35,121 --> 00:07:37,355 um, for doing hard work. Uh, all the time to try to reclaim 101 00:07:37,357 --> 00:07:39,124 all the time to try to reclaim it. And, you know, I do want to 102 00:07:39,126 --> 00:07:40,459 it. And, you know, I do want to salute them for their their 103 00:07:40,461 --> 00:07:43,761 salute them for their their efforts. Um, but they're cross. 104 00:07:43,763 --> 00:07:45,797 efforts. Um, but they're cross. America is a great opportunity 105 00:07:45,799 --> 00:07:47,799 America is a great opportunity there. I think over 400, uh, 106 00:07:47,801 --> 00:07:50,401 there. I think over 400, uh, veterans in the cemetery, many 107 00:07:50,403 --> 00:07:52,070 veterans in the cemetery, many of them from the Civil War era, 108 00:07:52,072 --> 00:07:53,938 of them from the Civil War era, who would otherwise be 109 00:07:53,940 --> 00:07:56,307 who would otherwise be forgotten. And as they say, um, 110 00:07:56,309 --> 00:07:58,076 forgotten. And as they say, um, when you participate in the 111 00:07:58,078 --> 00:08:00,278 when you participate in the ceremony, nobody has ever truly 112 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:01,746 ceremony, nobody has ever truly forgotten. As long as somebody 113 00:08:01,748 --> 00:08:03,648 forgotten. As long as somebody speaks their name. And that's 114 00:08:03,650 --> 00:08:05,550 speaks their name. And that's an important part of of the 115 00:08:05,552 --> 00:08:07,485 an important part of of the ceremony and of of just 116 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:09,287 ceremony and of of just remembering the sacrifice in 117 00:08:09,289 --> 00:08:11,423 remembering the sacrifice in the time that these folks gave 118 00:08:11,425 --> 00:08:14,192 the time that these folks gave to the nation. But I'll have 119 00:08:14,194 --> 00:08:20,565 to the nation. But I'll have Tammy come up and. And I don't 120 00:08:20,567 --> 00:08:22,233 Tammy come up and. And I don't know if if Tom wants to speak 121 00:08:22,235 --> 00:08:23,401 know if if Tom wants to speak or speak afterwards. 122 00:08:23,403 --> 00:08:25,136 or speak afterwards. I'll speak after. Go ahead. 123 00:08:25,138 --> 00:08:26,371 I'll speak after. Go ahead. So, Tammy, just name an address 124 00:08:26,373 --> 00:08:27,072 So, Tammy, just name an address to the record, please. 125 00:08:27,074 --> 00:08:29,407 to the record, please. Tammy Dover, 66 Shawmut Avenue, 126 00:08:29,409 --> 00:08:29,808 Tammy Dover, 66 Shawmut Avenue, Bradford. 127 00:08:29,810 --> 00:08:32,244 Bradford. Thank you. 128 00:08:32,246 --> 00:08:33,678 Thank you. Good evening. Thank you once 129 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:34,779 Good evening. Thank you once again. Councillor Sullivan and 130 00:08:34,781 --> 00:08:35,947 again. Councillor Sullivan and Mayor Barrett for having us 131 00:08:35,949 --> 00:08:37,715 Mayor Barrett for having us this evening. The Hilldale 132 00:08:37,717 --> 00:08:39,150 this evening. The Hilldale Cemetery Association is once 133 00:08:39,152 --> 00:08:41,052 Cemetery Association is once again holding the Race Across 134 00:08:41,054 --> 00:08:42,520 again holding the Race Across America annual event at the 135 00:08:42,522 --> 00:08:44,122 America annual event at the cemetery on Saturday, December 136 00:08:44,124 --> 00:08:46,791 cemetery on Saturday, December 19th, 2026 at noon. This will 137 00:08:46,793 --> 00:08:48,326 19th, 2026 at noon. This will be our ninth year hosting this 138 00:08:48,328 --> 00:08:50,061 be our ninth year hosting this event to honor and remember our 139 00:08:50,063 --> 00:08:51,429 event to honor and remember our veterans. Most of you are 140 00:08:51,431 --> 00:08:52,497 veterans. Most of you are familiar with Race Across 141 00:08:52,499 --> 00:08:54,599 familiar with Race Across America from our prior events. 142 00:08:54,601 --> 00:08:55,600 America from our prior events. The Race Across America 143 00:08:55,602 --> 00:08:57,602 The Race Across America organization is a 501 C3 144 00:08:57,604 --> 00:08:59,471 organization is a 501 C3 federally recognized nonprofit. 145 00:08:59,473 --> 00:09:00,605 federally recognized nonprofit. Their mission statement is 146 00:09:00,607 --> 00:09:02,206 Their mission statement is comprised of three tenants. 147 00:09:02,208 --> 00:09:04,142 comprised of three tenants. First, remember to remember our 148 00:09:04,144 --> 00:09:06,411 First, remember to remember our fallen veterans. Second, honor 149 00:09:06,413 --> 00:09:07,879 fallen veterans. Second, honor to honor living service members 150 00:09:07,881 --> 00:09:08,746 to honor living service members in all branches of the 151 00:09:08,748 --> 00:09:11,082 in all branches of the military. And third, teach to 152 00:09:11,084 --> 00:09:12,284 military. And third, teach to teach the next generation the 153 00:09:12,286 --> 00:09:13,751 teach the next generation the cost and the value of our 154 00:09:13,753 --> 00:09:15,853 cost and the value of our freedoms. Each December across 155 00:09:15,855 --> 00:09:17,055 freedoms. Each December across this country and at American 156 00:09:17,057 --> 00:09:18,423 this country and at American military cemeteries across the 157 00:09:18,425 --> 00:09:20,391 military cemeteries across the globe, volunteers lay symbolic 158 00:09:20,393 --> 00:09:21,493 globe, volunteers lay symbolic wreaths comprised of ten 159 00:09:21,495 --> 00:09:23,361 wreaths comprised of ten bundles of Maine balsam fir and 160 00:09:23,363 --> 00:09:24,796 bundles of Maine balsam fir and a red velveteen bow on the 161 00:09:24,798 --> 00:09:26,631 a red velveteen bow on the graves of veterans. Each bundle 162 00:09:26,633 --> 00:09:27,966 graves of veterans. Each bundle of balsam has a specific 163 00:09:27,968 --> 00:09:29,334 of balsam has a specific meaning, and the red bow 164 00:09:29,336 --> 00:09:31,202 meaning, and the red bow signifies sacrifice. They are 165 00:09:31,204 --> 00:09:32,971 signifies sacrifice. They are not Christmas wreaths. Service 166 00:09:32,973 --> 00:09:34,238 not Christmas wreaths. Service members come from all walks of 167 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,640 members come from all walks of life and all religions. The 168 00:09:35,642 --> 00:09:36,774 life and all religions. The wreath is designed to honor 169 00:09:36,776 --> 00:09:38,443 wreath is designed to honor their service and sacrifice, 170 00:09:38,445 --> 00:09:41,245 their service and sacrifice, and is not a religious symbol. 171 00:09:41,247 --> 00:09:44,015 and is not a religious symbol. Last year, 3.1 million wreaths 172 00:09:44,017 --> 00:09:47,118 Last year, 3.1 million wreaths related 5598 locations here in 173 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,087 related 5598 locations here in the US and abroad. We are proud 174 00:09:49,089 --> 00:09:50,588 the US and abroad. We are proud to be one of those locations. 175 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:51,990 to be one of those locations. This year's theme is Remember 176 00:09:51,992 --> 00:09:53,725 This year's theme is Remember Me. Veterans are often viewed 177 00:09:53,727 --> 00:09:54,826 Me. Veterans are often viewed and treated as a collective 178 00:09:54,828 --> 00:09:56,461 and treated as a collective group. Yet within that group 179 00:09:56,463 --> 00:09:57,762 group. Yet within that group are countless individuals with 180 00:09:57,764 --> 00:09:59,798 are countless individuals with their own names, stories, and 181 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,799 their own names, stories, and sacrifices. This year's theme 182 00:10:01,801 --> 00:10:03,134 sacrifices. This year's theme is meant to remember individual 183 00:10:03,136 --> 00:10:05,269 is meant to remember individual veterans and their stories. The 184 00:10:05,271 --> 00:10:06,471 veterans and their stories. The parent who never got to see a 185 00:10:06,473 --> 00:10:08,139 parent who never got to see a child or grandchild. The young 186 00:10:08,141 --> 00:10:09,140 child or grandchild. The young recruit asked to shoulder 187 00:10:09,142 --> 00:10:10,875 recruit asked to shoulder unimaginable responsibility as 188 00:10:10,877 --> 00:10:12,477 unimaginable responsibility as a teenager. The service member 189 00:10:12,479 --> 00:10:13,945 a teenager. The service member who comes home carrying stories 190 00:10:13,947 --> 00:10:15,814 who comes home carrying stories too difficult to tell, stories 191 00:10:15,816 --> 00:10:17,482 too difficult to tell, stories and sacrifices that may 192 00:10:17,484 --> 00:10:19,050 and sacrifices that may unintentionally be overlooked. 193 00:10:19,052 --> 00:10:20,318 unintentionally be overlooked. When we honor our veterans 194 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,286 When we honor our veterans collectively. Hilldale Cemetery 195 00:10:22,288 --> 00:10:24,489 collectively. Hilldale Cemetery is full of those stories. Sons 196 00:10:24,491 --> 00:10:25,690 is full of those stories. Sons who went to war and did not 197 00:10:25,692 --> 00:10:27,559 who went to war and did not return. A young Navy sailor who 198 00:10:27,561 --> 00:10:28,693 return. A young Navy sailor who was lost in a submarine 199 00:10:28,695 --> 00:10:30,828 was lost in a submarine disaster during peacetime. Two 200 00:10:30,830 --> 00:10:32,030 disaster during peacetime. Two Colored Regiment Civil War 201 00:10:32,032 --> 00:10:33,131 Colored Regiment Civil War soldiers who battled for 202 00:10:33,133 --> 00:10:34,699 soldiers who battled for freedom and came home to battle 203 00:10:34,701 --> 00:10:36,334 freedom and came home to battle for equal treatment. A young 204 00:10:36,336 --> 00:10:37,568 for equal treatment. A young woman who followed her brothers 205 00:10:37,570 --> 00:10:39,637 woman who followed her brothers to war disguised as a man. A 206 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:40,905 to war disguised as a man. A Civil War cavalry member who 207 00:10:40,907 --> 00:10:42,306 Civil War cavalry member who enlisted at the tender age of 208 00:10:42,308 --> 00:10:44,475 enlisted at the tender age of 12 and rose through the ranks. 209 00:10:44,477 --> 00:10:45,977 12 and rose through the ranks. Haverhill itself is also full 210 00:10:45,979 --> 00:10:47,712 Haverhill itself is also full of those individual stories, 211 00:10:47,714 --> 00:10:49,147 of those individual stories, stories that are recognized in 212 00:10:49,149 --> 00:10:50,848 stories that are recognized in the banners hung in town on the 213 00:10:50,850 --> 00:10:52,116 the banners hung in town on the bridge. Many of us drive daily 214 00:10:52,118 --> 00:10:54,119 bridge. Many of us drive daily dedicated to PFC Ralph T 215 00:10:54,121 --> 00:10:55,720 dedicated to PFC Ralph T Basler, the first Vietnam 216 00:10:55,722 --> 00:10:57,055 Basler, the first Vietnam casualty from Haverhill, who 217 00:10:57,057 --> 00:10:58,456 casualty from Haverhill, who lost his life in a jungle far 218 00:10:58,458 --> 00:11:02,593 lost his life in a jungle far away at the age of 19. PFC Evan 219 00:11:02,595 --> 00:11:03,995 away at the age of 19. PFC Evan O'Neill, another 19 year old 220 00:11:03,997 --> 00:11:04,929 O'Neill, another 19 year old who lost his life in 221 00:11:04,931 --> 00:11:08,066 who lost his life in Afghanistan in 2003. Donny 222 00:11:08,068 --> 00:11:09,100 Afghanistan in 2003. Donny Jarvis, a Purple Heart 223 00:11:09,102 --> 00:11:10,368 Jarvis, a Purple Heart recipient and my neighbor and 224 00:11:10,370 --> 00:11:11,869 recipient and my neighbor and friend, rushed to put who was 225 00:11:11,871 --> 00:11:13,204 friend, rushed to put who was instrumental in bringing Korean 226 00:11:13,206 --> 00:11:14,906 instrumental in bringing Korean War memorial to Haverhill. And 227 00:11:14,908 --> 00:11:16,407 War memorial to Haverhill. And there are many more. All of our 228 00:11:16,409 --> 00:11:17,609 there are many more. All of our individual veterans have their 229 00:11:17,611 --> 00:11:19,277 individual veterans have their own names, stories, families 230 00:11:19,279 --> 00:11:20,812 own names, stories, families and for some, their supreme 231 00:11:20,814 --> 00:11:22,013 and for some, their supreme sacrifice in the defense of the 232 00:11:22,015 --> 00:11:24,749 sacrifice in the defense of the freedoms we enjoy today. On 233 00:11:24,751 --> 00:11:26,617 freedoms we enjoy today. On December 19th, at noon, we will 234 00:11:26,619 --> 00:11:28,386 December 19th, at noon, we will hold our wreaths Across America 235 00:11:28,388 --> 00:11:29,888 hold our wreaths Across America ceremony. We will not only 236 00:11:29,890 --> 00:11:31,089 ceremony. We will not only collectively recognize our 237 00:11:31,091 --> 00:11:32,691 collectively recognize our veterans, we will honor them as 238 00:11:32,693 --> 00:11:33,891 veterans, we will honor them as individuals with their own 239 00:11:33,893 --> 00:11:35,593 individuals with their own stories and histories. Each 240 00:11:35,595 --> 00:11:36,961 stories and histories. Each name will be read aloud as a 241 00:11:36,963 --> 00:11:38,629 name will be read aloud as a wreath is laid on a grave. They 242 00:11:38,631 --> 00:11:40,898 wreath is laid on a grave. They will not be forgotten. To 243 00:11:40,900 --> 00:11:42,033 will not be forgotten. To further honor this year's 244 00:11:42,035 --> 00:11:43,434 further honor this year's theme, we invite community 245 00:11:43,436 --> 00:11:44,635 theme, we invite community members to visit our Facebook 246 00:11:44,637 --> 00:11:46,171 members to visit our Facebook page, Hope for Hilldale, and 247 00:11:46,173 --> 00:11:47,305 page, Hope for Hilldale, and share their own stories of the 248 00:11:47,307 --> 00:11:48,673 share their own stories of the veterans and their lives. Post 249 00:11:48,675 --> 00:11:49,607 veterans and their lives. Post pictures and be part of the 250 00:11:49,609 --> 00:11:50,842 pictures and be part of the remembrance and honor, and to 251 00:11:50,844 --> 00:11:52,444 remembrance and honor, and to teach that these are the 252 00:11:52,446 --> 00:11:53,911 teach that these are the sacrifices that maintain our 253 00:11:53,913 --> 00:11:55,513 sacrifices that maintain our freedoms. We further invite 254 00:11:55,515 --> 00:11:56,647 freedoms. We further invite community members, including 255 00:11:56,649 --> 00:11:57,915 community members, including Mayor Barrett and yourselves, 256 00:11:57,917 --> 00:11:59,751 Mayor Barrett and yourselves, counselors, to our and to our 257 00:11:59,753 --> 00:12:01,486 counselors, to our and to our veterans, to join us on 258 00:12:01,488 --> 00:12:03,254 veterans, to join us on December the 19th, in order to 259 00:12:03,256 --> 00:12:04,522 December the 19th, in order to ensure that all graves receive 260 00:12:04,524 --> 00:12:06,057 ensure that all graves receive a wreath and each name is read. 261 00:12:06,059 --> 00:12:08,426 a wreath and each name is read. We need 474 wreaths to be 262 00:12:08,428 --> 00:12:10,061 We need 474 wreaths to be sponsored. We currently stand 263 00:12:10,063 --> 00:12:12,464 sponsored. We currently stand at 169. Wreaths can be 264 00:12:12,466 --> 00:12:14,733 at 169. Wreaths can be sponsored for 17 each, $17 each 265 00:12:14,735 --> 00:12:15,533 sponsored for 17 each, $17 each through our dedicated 266 00:12:15,535 --> 00:12:17,401 through our dedicated sponsorship page at Hilldale 267 00:12:17,403 --> 00:12:20,071 sponsorship page at Hilldale Wreaths. We recognize that 268 00:12:20,073 --> 00:12:21,272 Wreaths. We recognize that times are tough and the economy 269 00:12:21,274 --> 00:12:22,741 times are tough and the economy is not great, and we fear that 270 00:12:22,743 --> 00:12:23,808 is not great, and we fear that we will not be able to meet our 271 00:12:23,810 --> 00:12:25,243 we will not be able to meet our goal this year. We hope that 272 00:12:25,245 --> 00:12:27,245 goal this year. We hope that people will consider donating a 273 00:12:27,247 --> 00:12:28,279 people will consider donating a wreath or two, so that we can 274 00:12:28,281 --> 00:12:30,448 wreath or two, so that we can recognize all of our veterans, 275 00:12:30,450 --> 00:12:32,083 recognize all of our veterans, individuals and businesses, or 276 00:12:32,085 --> 00:12:33,217 individuals and businesses, or service groups may consider 277 00:12:33,219 --> 00:12:34,486 service groups may consider sponsorship of ten wreaths or 278 00:12:34,488 --> 00:12:36,087 sponsorship of ten wreaths or more to be listed in our event 279 00:12:36,089 --> 00:12:37,956 more to be listed in our event program, which is generously 280 00:12:37,958 --> 00:12:39,290 program, which is generously prepared, printed and donated 281 00:12:39,292 --> 00:12:40,491 prepared, printed and donated by Pat Driscoll of Driscoll 282 00:12:40,493 --> 00:12:41,926 by Pat Driscoll of Driscoll Funeral Homes in Bradford each 283 00:12:41,928 --> 00:12:43,261 Funeral Homes in Bradford each year. Pat has been with us 284 00:12:43,263 --> 00:12:44,729 year. Pat has been with us since the beginning in 2017, 285 00:12:44,731 --> 00:12:45,830 since the beginning in 2017, and we so appreciate his 286 00:12:45,832 --> 00:12:48,299 and we so appreciate his longtime support. In order to 287 00:12:48,301 --> 00:12:49,701 longtime support. In order to hold this event, it takes the 288 00:12:49,703 --> 00:12:51,536 hold this event, it takes the effort of all of our all 289 00:12:51,538 --> 00:12:53,304 effort of all of our all volunteer board of directors 290 00:12:53,306 --> 00:12:54,839 volunteer board of directors and local volunteers to keep 291 00:12:54,841 --> 00:12:56,207 and local volunteers to keep the cemetery looking good as we 292 00:12:56,209 --> 00:12:57,708 the cemetery looking good as we can, as good as we can, and to 293 00:12:57,710 --> 00:12:58,910 can, as good as we can, and to continue the recovery efforts 294 00:12:58,912 --> 00:13:00,044 continue the recovery efforts of portions of the cemetery 295 00:13:00,046 --> 00:13:01,646 of portions of the cemetery that remain overgrown from 296 00:13:01,648 --> 00:13:03,848 that remain overgrown from decades of past neglect. We 297 00:13:03,850 --> 00:13:05,550 decades of past neglect. We need in military boots on the 298 00:13:05,552 --> 00:13:07,051 need in military boots on the ground to continue those 299 00:13:07,053 --> 00:13:08,119 ground to continue those efforts and ensure that the 300 00:13:08,121 --> 00:13:10,121 efforts and ensure that the cemetery is shipshape for 301 00:13:10,123 --> 00:13:11,856 cemetery is shipshape for December 19th. We currently 302 00:13:11,858 --> 00:13:12,790 December 19th. We currently have three more cleanups 303 00:13:12,792 --> 00:13:14,058 have three more cleanups formerly scheduled for October 304 00:13:14,060 --> 00:13:15,960 formerly scheduled for October the 10th, at one 30, October, 305 00:13:15,962 --> 00:13:17,728 the 10th, at one 30, October, 24th at 130, and November 1st 306 00:13:17,730 --> 00:13:19,463 24th at 130, and November 1st at 130. More will likely be 307 00:13:19,465 --> 00:13:20,498 at 130. More will likely be added as long as the weather 308 00:13:20,500 --> 00:13:22,200 added as long as the weather holds. For more information, 309 00:13:22,202 --> 00:13:23,434 holds. For more information, please see our Facebook page. 310 00:13:23,436 --> 00:13:25,203 please see our Facebook page. Hope for Hilldale local service 311 00:13:25,205 --> 00:13:26,470 Hope for Hilldale local service groups who might wish to assist 312 00:13:26,472 --> 00:13:27,738 groups who might wish to assist can contact us directly through 313 00:13:27,740 --> 00:13:29,607 can contact us directly through the Facebook page or via any of 314 00:13:29,609 --> 00:13:30,775 the Facebook page or via any of the city councilors or Mayor 315 00:13:30,777 --> 00:13:32,210 the city councilors or Mayor Barrett, who have our contact 316 00:13:32,212 --> 00:13:33,845 Barrett, who have our contact information. For those of you 317 00:13:33,847 --> 00:13:34,813 information. For those of you who have been to event in the 318 00:13:34,815 --> 00:13:36,147 who have been to event in the past. You will know and 319 00:13:36,149 --> 00:13:37,715 past. You will know and understand the feeling of 320 00:13:37,717 --> 00:13:38,916 understand the feeling of standing surrounded by the 321 00:13:38,918 --> 00:13:40,684 standing surrounded by the aroma of balsam fir in the 322 00:13:40,686 --> 00:13:42,220 aroma of balsam fir in the crisp winter air before a 323 00:13:42,222 --> 00:13:43,621 crisp winter air before a marble or granite marker, 324 00:13:43,623 --> 00:13:45,056 marble or granite marker, wreath in hand, and reading the 325 00:13:45,058 --> 00:13:46,357 wreath in hand, and reading the name of veteran out loud, 326 00:13:46,359 --> 00:13:47,325 name of veteran out loud, thanking them for their 327 00:13:47,327 --> 00:13:49,093 thanking them for their service. It can't be adequately 328 00:13:49,095 --> 00:13:50,561 service. It can't be adequately described. It must be 329 00:13:50,563 --> 00:13:52,530 described. It must be experienced. On each wreath is 330 00:13:52,532 --> 00:13:54,398 experienced. On each wreath is a small tag that reads. Today I 331 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:55,499 a small tag that reads. Today I laid a wreath on the grave of 332 00:13:55,501 --> 00:13:57,101 laid a wreath on the grave of an American hero, which each 333 00:13:57,103 --> 00:13:58,502 an American hero, which each participant is welcome to take 334 00:13:58,504 --> 00:14:00,337 participant is welcome to take as a memento. We hope to have a 335 00:14:00,339 --> 00:14:01,172 as a memento. We hope to have a great turnout of community 336 00:14:01,174 --> 00:14:03,841 great turnout of community members on December 19th, and 337 00:14:03,843 --> 00:14:05,109 members on December 19th, and once again to sponsor a wreath. 338 00:14:05,111 --> 00:14:07,378 once again to sponsor a wreath. Please go to Hilldale Wreaths, 339 00:14:07,380 --> 00:14:08,412 Please go to Hilldale Wreaths, which is our dedicated 340 00:14:08,414 --> 00:14:10,281 which is our dedicated sponsorship page. You will be 341 00:14:10,283 --> 00:14:11,616 sponsorship page. You will be ensuring that your sponsorship 342 00:14:11,618 --> 00:14:12,750 ensuring that your sponsorship is properly credited to 343 00:14:12,752 --> 00:14:14,586 is properly credited to Hilldale Cemetery. The cutoff 344 00:14:14,588 --> 00:14:15,920 Hilldale Cemetery. The cutoff date for sponsorship for our 345 00:14:15,922 --> 00:14:17,722 date for sponsorship for our region is December the 1st. 346 00:14:17,724 --> 00:14:18,923 region is December the 1st. Thank you all for your time and 347 00:14:18,925 --> 00:14:20,058 Thank you all for your time and opportunity to speak here this 348 00:14:20,060 --> 00:14:20,625 opportunity to speak here this evening. 349 00:14:20,627 --> 00:14:22,593 evening. Thank you. Tammy. Uh, go to 350 00:14:22,595 --> 00:14:23,328 Thank you. Tammy. Uh, go to Counselor Sullivan. 351 00:14:23,330 --> 00:14:24,329 Counselor Sullivan. Thank you, Mr. President. Thank 352 00:14:24,331 --> 00:14:25,797 Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you, Tammy and Kim, for coming 353 00:14:25,799 --> 00:14:27,131 you, Tammy and Kim, for coming tonight. Um, it's been a 354 00:14:27,133 --> 00:14:28,032 tonight. Um, it's been a pleasure to work with you all 355 00:14:28,034 --> 00:14:30,268 pleasure to work with you all these years. Um, I help them 356 00:14:30,270 --> 00:14:31,369 these years. Um, I help them raise the money for the 357 00:14:31,371 --> 00:14:33,671 raise the money for the wreaths. We do seriously need a 358 00:14:33,673 --> 00:14:35,540 wreaths. We do seriously need a boost this year. We're behind 359 00:14:35,542 --> 00:14:36,707 boost this year. We're behind where we should be at this 360 00:14:36,709 --> 00:14:38,609 where we should be at this point. Um, I always do the ten 361 00:14:38,611 --> 00:14:40,878 point. Um, I always do the ten wreaths myself. I would urge 362 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,346 wreaths myself. I would urge everyone who can to try to do 363 00:14:42,348 --> 00:14:44,415 everyone who can to try to do ten wreaths. They do add up. 364 00:14:44,417 --> 00:14:45,483 ten wreaths. They do add up. And this is probably one of the 365 00:14:45,485 --> 00:14:46,751 And this is probably one of the most meaningful and significant 366 00:14:46,753 --> 00:14:48,052 most meaningful and significant events we can do for veterans 367 00:14:48,054 --> 00:14:49,954 events we can do for veterans here in the city. Um, like you 368 00:14:49,956 --> 00:14:51,956 here in the city. Um, like you said, remembering and honoring 369 00:14:51,958 --> 00:14:53,257 said, remembering and honoring and teaching. The most 370 00:14:53,259 --> 00:14:54,092 and teaching. The most important part of that is 371 00:14:54,094 --> 00:14:56,094 important part of that is teaching the children, um, the 372 00:14:56,096 --> 00:14:57,561 teaching the children, um, the young adults, how important 373 00:14:57,563 --> 00:14:58,863 young adults, how important traditions are and how 374 00:14:58,865 --> 00:15:00,164 traditions are and how important it is that they 375 00:15:00,166 --> 00:15:01,666 important it is that they continue to honor the veterans, 376 00:15:01,668 --> 00:15:02,600 continue to honor the veterans, because without the veterans, 377 00:15:02,602 --> 00:15:04,102 because without the veterans, we wouldn't be here today. So 378 00:15:04,104 --> 00:15:05,536 we wouldn't be here today. So thank you for coming. We'll 379 00:15:05,538 --> 00:15:06,737 thank you for coming. We'll step up our efforts over the 380 00:15:06,739 --> 00:15:08,239 step up our efforts over the next month and a half, and 381 00:15:08,241 --> 00:15:10,107 next month and a half, and we'll try to get you over the 382 00:15:10,109 --> 00:15:10,975 we'll try to get you over the goalpost. 383 00:15:10,977 --> 00:15:11,876 goalpost. Appreciate your help. 384 00:15:11,878 --> 00:15:12,843 Appreciate your help. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. 385 00:15:12,845 --> 00:15:13,177 Thank you. Thank you, Mr. President. 386 00:15:13,179 --> 00:15:14,112 President. Thank you, Councillor Sullivan. 387 00:15:14,114 --> 00:15:15,079 Thank you, Councillor Sullivan. Vice president Richardson. 388 00:15:15,081 --> 00:15:16,314 Vice president Richardson. Thank you, Mr. President. 389 00:15:16,316 --> 00:15:19,450 Thank you, Mr. President. Tammy, I love your dedication. 390 00:15:19,452 --> 00:15:21,152 Tammy, I love your dedication. That's all I want to say. Thank 391 00:15:21,154 --> 00:15:21,920 That's all I want to say. Thank you, Mr. President. 392 00:15:21,922 --> 00:15:23,120 you, Mr. President. Thank you, Mr. Vice President. 393 00:15:23,122 --> 00:15:24,522 Thank you, Mr. Vice President. And thank you, Tammy, again for 394 00:15:24,524 --> 00:15:26,090 And thank you, Tammy, again for all your efforts and for coming 395 00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:28,526 all your efforts and for coming before us tonight. And I again, 396 00:15:28,528 --> 00:15:29,694 before us tonight. And I again, having participated in the past 397 00:15:29,696 --> 00:15:30,861 having participated in the past again, you do a tremendous job. 398 00:15:30,863 --> 00:15:32,463 again, you do a tremendous job. It really is a powerful 399 00:15:32,465 --> 00:15:33,998 It really is a powerful experience. So I wish you all 400 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:34,933 experience. So I wish you all the best with this year's 401 00:15:34,935 --> 00:15:37,201 the best with this year's event. Thank you. Thank you, 402 00:15:37,203 --> 00:15:38,903 event. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Next item. 403 00:15:38,905 --> 00:15:40,939 Madam Clerk. Next item. Uh, Caitlin M Wright. Esposito. 404 00:15:40,941 --> 00:15:42,340 Uh, Caitlin M Wright. Esposito. City clerk request to announce 405 00:15:42,342 --> 00:15:43,574 City clerk request to announce early voting schedule and 406 00:15:43,576 --> 00:15:44,676 early voting schedule and pertinent election related 407 00:15:44,678 --> 00:15:46,110 pertinent election related deadlines for the upcoming 408 00:15:46,112 --> 00:15:47,445 deadlines for the upcoming state election to be held on 409 00:15:47,447 --> 00:15:50,114 state election to be held on Tuesday, November 3rd, 2026, 410 00:15:50,116 --> 00:15:52,283 Tuesday, November 3rd, 2026, from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m.. 411 00:15:52,285 --> 00:15:53,217 from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m.. Madam clerk. 412 00:15:53,219 --> 00:15:53,685 Madam clerk. Um. 413 00:15:53,687 --> 00:15:55,686 Um. So election season is in full 414 00:15:55,688 --> 00:15:57,621 So election season is in full swing, if you can believe that. 415 00:15:57,623 --> 00:15:58,823 swing, if you can believe that. Uh, over the last week, our 416 00:15:58,825 --> 00:16:00,124 Uh, over the last week, our office has been very busy 417 00:16:00,126 --> 00:16:01,592 office has been very busy getting out our vote by mail 418 00:16:01,594 --> 00:16:02,960 getting out our vote by mail ballots. Uh, we got our 419 00:16:02,962 --> 00:16:04,696 ballots. Uh, we got our delivery of ballots last week. 420 00:16:04,698 --> 00:16:06,764 delivery of ballots last week. And as of today, our first 421 00:16:06,766 --> 00:16:08,265 And as of today, our first round of ballots, which for 422 00:16:08,267 --> 00:16:09,233 round of ballots, which for requests right now are about 423 00:16:09,235 --> 00:16:11,302 requests right now are about 8000, have been mailed out to 424 00:16:11,304 --> 00:16:13,137 8000, have been mailed out to voters daily. We continue to 425 00:16:13,139 --> 00:16:14,705 voters daily. We continue to receive applications. So as 426 00:16:14,707 --> 00:16:16,473 receive applications. So as those applications are come in 427 00:16:16,475 --> 00:16:17,641 those applications are come in and are processed, we will 428 00:16:17,643 --> 00:16:19,243 and are processed, we will continue to mail those out to 429 00:16:19,245 --> 00:16:20,979 continue to mail those out to voters. Um, the deadline to 430 00:16:20,981 --> 00:16:22,847 voters. Um, the deadline to request a vote by mail ballot 431 00:16:22,849 --> 00:16:26,384 request a vote by mail ballot is October, October 27th at 5 432 00:16:26,386 --> 00:16:28,386 is October, October 27th at 5 p.m., and voters are encouraged 433 00:16:28,388 --> 00:16:29,587 p.m., and voters are encouraged to, once they receive their 434 00:16:29,589 --> 00:16:31,856 to, once they receive their ballot, be sure to return that 435 00:16:31,858 --> 00:16:33,324 ballot, be sure to return that via the Dropbox. That is a 436 00:16:33,326 --> 00:16:35,259 via the Dropbox. That is a surefire way that it gets to us 437 00:16:35,261 --> 00:16:36,827 surefire way that it gets to us or hand deliver in our office. 438 00:16:36,829 --> 00:16:38,495 or hand deliver in our office. The Dropbox is located on the 439 00:16:38,497 --> 00:16:39,363 The Dropbox is located on the Main Street side of the 440 00:16:39,365 --> 00:16:41,632 Main Street side of the building of City Hall. Um, this 441 00:16:41,634 --> 00:16:43,901 building of City Hall. Um, this year our ballot is unique. Uh, 442 00:16:43,903 --> 00:16:45,503 year our ballot is unique. Uh, it's unprecedented. We have ten 443 00:16:45,505 --> 00:16:46,971 it's unprecedented. We have ten ballot questions, which, per 444 00:16:46,973 --> 00:16:47,805 ballot questions, which, per the Secretary of State's 445 00:16:47,807 --> 00:16:49,473 the Secretary of State's office, hasn't happened since 446 00:16:49,475 --> 00:16:51,776 office, hasn't happened since 1918. So whether you're voting 447 00:16:51,778 --> 00:16:53,611 1918. So whether you're voting by mail or voting in person on 448 00:16:53,613 --> 00:16:55,246 by mail or voting in person on Election Day, your ballot here 449 00:16:55,248 --> 00:16:56,547 Election Day, your ballot here in Haverhill is going to have 450 00:16:56,549 --> 00:16:58,682 in Haverhill is going to have two cards. So that means if if 451 00:16:58,684 --> 00:16:59,750 two cards. So that means if if this was a ballot, it's going 452 00:16:59,752 --> 00:17:01,519 this was a ballot, it's going to be front one page with 453 00:17:01,521 --> 00:17:03,220 to be front one page with questions, candidates and 454 00:17:03,222 --> 00:17:04,955 questions, candidates and questions, a back side with 455 00:17:04,957 --> 00:17:06,357 questions, a back side with candidates and then a whole 456 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,359 candidates and then a whole other page. Uh, and that must 457 00:17:08,361 --> 00:17:09,694 other page. Uh, and that must be returned to our office. 458 00:17:09,696 --> 00:17:10,995 be returned to our office. Whether you're voting by mail 459 00:17:10,997 --> 00:17:12,696 Whether you're voting by mail or at the precinct on Election 460 00:17:12,698 --> 00:17:14,865 or at the precinct on Election day or early voting. So just be 461 00:17:14,867 --> 00:17:16,467 day or early voting. So just be mindful of that on our vote by 462 00:17:16,469 --> 00:17:18,235 mindful of that on our vote by mail envelopes, we've left 463 00:17:18,237 --> 00:17:19,370 mail envelopes, we've left little reminders for people 464 00:17:19,372 --> 00:17:20,772 little reminders for people that says, please return both 465 00:17:20,774 --> 00:17:22,440 that says, please return both cards. But it's very important 466 00:17:22,442 --> 00:17:24,075 cards. But it's very important that both of those get back to 467 00:17:24,077 --> 00:17:25,843 that both of those get back to us. So if you're voting by 468 00:17:25,845 --> 00:17:27,578 us. So if you're voting by mail, a ballot must be returned 469 00:17:27,580 --> 00:17:28,746 mail, a ballot must be returned to our office. If it's 470 00:17:28,748 --> 00:17:30,614 to our office. If it's hand-delivered by 8 p.m. on 471 00:17:30,616 --> 00:17:32,316 hand-delivered by 8 p.m. on election night, that's Tuesday, 472 00:17:32,318 --> 00:17:34,351 election night, that's Tuesday, November 3rd, or if it's going 473 00:17:34,353 --> 00:17:35,386 November 3rd, or if it's going in the mail, it must be 474 00:17:35,388 --> 00:17:37,021 in the mail, it must be postmarked by November 3rd and 475 00:17:37,023 --> 00:17:38,355 postmarked by November 3rd and received in our office no later 476 00:17:38,357 --> 00:17:40,124 received in our office no later than November 6th. We will be 477 00:17:40,126 --> 00:17:41,992 than November 6th. We will be offering two weeks of in-person 478 00:17:41,994 --> 00:17:43,794 offering two weeks of in-person early voting here at City Hall. 479 00:17:43,796 --> 00:17:45,196 early voting here at City Hall. That's going to begin on 480 00:17:45,198 --> 00:17:48,399 That's going to begin on Saturday, October 17th, and run 481 00:17:48,401 --> 00:17:50,268 Saturday, October 17th, and run through October 30th, which is 482 00:17:50,270 --> 00:17:52,136 through October 30th, which is a Friday. Um, all dates and 483 00:17:52,138 --> 00:17:53,337 a Friday. Um, all dates and times are posted on our 484 00:17:53,339 --> 00:17:54,872 times are posted on our website, but it will be every 485 00:17:54,874 --> 00:17:56,808 website, but it will be every day. So 14 days straight, the 486 00:17:56,810 --> 00:17:58,609 day. So 14 days straight, the weekends 9 to 3 and Monday 487 00:17:58,611 --> 00:18:00,678 weekends 9 to 3 and Monday through Friday 8 to 4. The last 488 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:01,746 through Friday 8 to 4. The last day to register to vote is 489 00:18:01,748 --> 00:18:04,682 day to register to vote is going to be Tuesday, October 490 00:18:04,684 --> 00:18:06,818 going to be Tuesday, October 24th at I'm sorry, not Tuesday, 491 00:18:06,820 --> 00:18:08,919 24th at I'm sorry, not Tuesday, Saturday, October 24th at 5 492 00:18:08,921 --> 00:18:10,354 Saturday, October 24th at 5 p.m. and our office will be 493 00:18:10,356 --> 00:18:11,355 p.m. and our office will be open that Saturday to 494 00:18:11,357 --> 00:18:12,690 open that Saturday to accommodate that registration 495 00:18:12,692 --> 00:18:13,624 accommodate that registration deadline. So if you're 496 00:18:13,626 --> 00:18:14,492 deadline. So if you're concerned about your 497 00:18:14,494 --> 00:18:16,427 concerned about your registration, you can go online 498 00:18:16,429 --> 00:18:17,862 registration, you can go online directly and check the status 499 00:18:17,864 --> 00:18:19,029 directly and check the status of that, or come to our office 500 00:18:19,031 --> 00:18:21,298 of that, or come to our office or call us for inquiries on 501 00:18:21,300 --> 00:18:24,502 or call us for inquiries on that. And then my final, uh, 502 00:18:24,504 --> 00:18:25,870 that. And then my final, uh, plea to all of you here today, 503 00:18:25,872 --> 00:18:27,171 plea to all of you here today, or anybody that's watching 504 00:18:27,173 --> 00:18:28,772 or anybody that's watching online, is that we're always in 505 00:18:28,774 --> 00:18:30,975 online, is that we're always in need of election workers. Um, 506 00:18:30,977 --> 00:18:32,443 need of election workers. Um, specifically this election 507 00:18:32,445 --> 00:18:34,512 specifically this election cycle, just with how lengthy 508 00:18:34,514 --> 00:18:35,746 cycle, just with how lengthy the ballot is and the turnout 509 00:18:35,748 --> 00:18:36,914 the ballot is and the turnout that we think are going to be 510 00:18:36,916 --> 00:18:38,449 that we think are going to be getting. Um, so to have more 511 00:18:38,451 --> 00:18:39,850 getting. Um, so to have more people at the polls will really 512 00:18:39,852 --> 00:18:41,452 people at the polls will really help us move lines along 513 00:18:41,454 --> 00:18:43,254 help us move lines along quickly. Um, so if you are 514 00:18:43,256 --> 00:18:44,188 quickly. Um, so if you are somebody that's passionate 515 00:18:44,190 --> 00:18:45,623 somebody that's passionate about your community, 516 00:18:45,625 --> 00:18:46,724 about your community, interested in meeting new 517 00:18:46,726 --> 00:18:47,925 interested in meeting new people, passionate about 518 00:18:47,927 --> 00:18:49,927 people, passionate about elections, maybe good at math, 519 00:18:49,929 --> 00:18:51,362 elections, maybe good at math, we'd love to have you as part 520 00:18:51,364 --> 00:18:53,264 we'd love to have you as part of our team. Um, it is a 521 00:18:53,266 --> 00:18:54,732 of our team. Um, it is a volunteer opportunity, but you 522 00:18:54,734 --> 00:18:57,368 volunteer opportunity, but you are paid for the day, so. 245 523 00:18:57,370 --> 00:18:58,435 are paid for the day, so. 245 if you work the full day as an 524 00:18:58,437 --> 00:19:00,037 if you work the full day as an inspector, if you're interested 525 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:01,472 inspector, if you're interested in joining as a warden or 526 00:19:01,474 --> 00:19:04,408 in joining as a warden or clerk, that is 275 for the day. 527 00:19:04,410 --> 00:19:05,609 clerk, that is 275 for the day. Um, we have trainings that are 528 00:19:05,611 --> 00:19:06,944 Um, we have trainings that are coming up. So I would ask that 529 00:19:06,946 --> 00:19:08,579 coming up. So I would ask that if you're interested, we would 530 00:19:08,581 --> 00:19:09,680 if you're interested, we would really need you to sign up no 531 00:19:09,682 --> 00:19:11,148 really need you to sign up no later than the end of next week 532 00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:12,216 later than the end of next week to ensure that you can be 533 00:19:12,218 --> 00:19:14,018 to ensure that you can be trained adequately before our 534 00:19:14,020 --> 00:19:15,153 trained adequately before our election. And if you're 535 00:19:15,155 --> 00:19:16,486 election. And if you're interested, you can call the 536 00:19:16,488 --> 00:19:19,557 interested, you can call the clerk's office at 537 00:19:19,559 --> 00:19:23,294 clerk's office at (978) 374-2312 or email me 538 00:19:23,296 --> 00:19:25,129 (978) 374-2312 or email me directly at City Clerk at 539 00:19:25,131 --> 00:19:27,098 directly at City Clerk at Haverhill, Ma. Gov. Thank you. 540 00:19:27,100 --> 00:19:29,166 Haverhill, Ma. Gov. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Next 541 00:19:29,168 --> 00:19:30,334 Thank you, Madam Clerk. Next item, please. 542 00:19:30,336 --> 00:19:32,503 item, please. Me again. Yeah. 543 00:19:32,505 --> 00:19:34,471 Me again. Yeah. Caitlin. Emery Esposito, city 544 00:19:34,473 --> 00:19:36,207 Caitlin. Emery Esposito, city clerk submits election warrant 545 00:19:36,209 --> 00:19:38,109 clerk submits election warrant for the 2026 state election to 546 00:19:38,111 --> 00:19:39,310 for the 2026 state election to be held on Tuesday, November 547 00:19:39,312 --> 00:19:42,713 be held on Tuesday, November 3rd, 2026, from 7 a.m. to 8 548 00:19:42,715 --> 00:19:42,947 3rd, 2026, from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m.. 549 00:19:42,949 --> 00:19:44,448 p.m.. Madam clerk, do you want to say 550 00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:45,683 Madam clerk, do you want to say more about that? 551 00:19:45,685 --> 00:19:46,551 more about that? Uh, no. 552 00:19:46,553 --> 00:19:48,386 Uh, no. Just pretty well, actually. 553 00:19:48,388 --> 00:19:50,721 Just pretty well, actually. Yes. Sorry. Um, on the note, 554 00:19:50,723 --> 00:19:52,422 Yes. Sorry. Um, on the note, the election warrant. Um, so if 555 00:19:52,424 --> 00:19:53,591 the election warrant. Um, so if you look in the agenda packets, 556 00:19:53,593 --> 00:19:55,259 you look in the agenda packets, it does contain all of the ten 557 00:19:55,261 --> 00:19:57,294 it does contain all of the ten questions. And I just want to 558 00:19:57,296 --> 00:19:58,495 questions. And I just want to go back to you talking about 559 00:19:58,497 --> 00:19:59,863 go back to you talking about how large the ballot is. 560 00:19:59,865 --> 00:20:01,732 how large the ballot is. Because of that, every voter in 561 00:20:01,734 --> 00:20:03,400 Because of that, every voter in Massachusetts was email, um, 562 00:20:03,402 --> 00:20:05,135 Massachusetts was email, um, not emailed, I'm sorry, mailed 563 00:20:05,137 --> 00:20:08,038 not emailed, I'm sorry, mailed a red information booklet. And 564 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,173 a red information booklet. And if you did not get that, it's 565 00:20:09,175 --> 00:20:10,908 if you did not get that, it's available online. We have extra 566 00:20:10,910 --> 00:20:12,143 available online. We have extra supplies in our office as well. 567 00:20:12,145 --> 00:20:13,344 supplies in our office as well. If you're looking for copies of 568 00:20:13,346 --> 00:20:15,346 If you're looking for copies of that, I would highly encourage 569 00:20:15,348 --> 00:20:16,880 that, I would highly encourage everybody to look at that. 570 00:20:16,882 --> 00:20:18,782 everybody to look at that. Review it carefully ahead of 571 00:20:18,784 --> 00:20:20,484 Review it carefully ahead of time. The final page of this 572 00:20:20,486 --> 00:20:21,852 time. The final page of this information booklet has a 573 00:20:21,854 --> 00:20:23,487 information booklet has a checklist that you can rip out 574 00:20:23,489 --> 00:20:24,488 checklist that you can rip out and bring with you to the 575 00:20:24,490 --> 00:20:25,922 and bring with you to the polls, so you can mark ahead of 576 00:20:25,924 --> 00:20:27,124 polls, so you can mark ahead of time how you're planning on 577 00:20:27,126 --> 00:20:28,826 time how you're planning on voting on these questions. And 578 00:20:28,828 --> 00:20:29,894 voting on these questions. And this will help us move the 579 00:20:29,896 --> 00:20:31,328 this will help us move the lines along quicker. As I said, 580 00:20:31,330 --> 00:20:33,364 lines along quicker. As I said, this is a very long ballot and 581 00:20:33,366 --> 00:20:34,798 this is a very long ballot and we want people to be able to go 582 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:35,966 we want people to be able to go vote in person, but keep the 583 00:20:35,968 --> 00:20:36,968 vote in person, but keep the lines moving as quick as 584 00:20:36,970 --> 00:20:38,702 lines moving as quick as possible. So please do review 585 00:20:38,704 --> 00:20:40,571 possible. So please do review that booklet to get all your 586 00:20:40,573 --> 00:20:42,306 that booklet to get all your information. Uh, if you need an 587 00:20:42,308 --> 00:20:43,507 information. Uh, if you need an extra one. We have extras 588 00:20:43,509 --> 00:20:45,109 extra one. We have extras available in our office and 589 00:20:45,111 --> 00:20:46,410 available in our office and they are available a PDF 590 00:20:46,412 --> 00:20:48,179 they are available a PDF version and an audio version 591 00:20:48,181 --> 00:20:49,313 version and an audio version online on the Secretary of 592 00:20:49,315 --> 00:20:50,714 online on the Secretary of State's website, as well as our 593 00:20:50,716 --> 00:20:52,650 State's website, as well as our website. Um, but aside from 594 00:20:52,652 --> 00:20:53,950 website. Um, but aside from that, that's that's all I have 595 00:20:53,952 --> 00:20:55,052 that, that's that's all I have to say about the warrant. 596 00:20:55,054 --> 00:20:56,721 to say about the warrant. Thank you. Thank you. And do we 597 00:20:56,723 --> 00:20:58,789 Thank you. Thank you. And do we need a motion to in favor of 598 00:20:58,791 --> 00:20:59,257 need a motion to in favor of the. 599 00:20:59,259 --> 00:21:01,125 the. Yes. So moved. 600 00:21:01,127 --> 00:21:02,426 Yes. So moved. Second motion from Councillor 601 00:21:02,428 --> 00:21:04,028 Second motion from Councillor Sullivan, second from Councilor 602 00:21:04,030 --> 00:21:05,796 Sullivan, second from Councilor Ferreira. Uh, Madam Clerk, 603 00:21:05,798 --> 00:21:06,530 Ferreira. Uh, Madam Clerk, please call the roll. 604 00:21:06,532 --> 00:21:08,165 please call the roll. Vice president. Richardson. 605 00:21:08,167 --> 00:21:09,333 Vice president. Richardson. Yes. Councillor. Basler. 606 00:21:09,335 --> 00:21:09,634 Yes. Councillor. Basler. Yes. 607 00:21:09,636 --> 00:21:10,934 Yes. Councillor. Diodati. Yes. 608 00:21:10,936 --> 00:21:12,002 Councillor. Diodati. Yes. Councillor. Sullivan. Yes. 609 00:21:12,004 --> 00:21:13,004 Councillor. Sullivan. Yes. Councillor. Ferreira. Yes. 610 00:21:13,006 --> 00:21:14,138 Councillor. Ferreira. Yes. Councillor. Toohey. Yes. 611 00:21:14,140 --> 00:21:15,205 Councillor. Toohey. Yes. Councillor McGonigle. Yes. 612 00:21:15,207 --> 00:21:16,340 Councillor McGonigle. Yes. Councillor LePage. Yes. 613 00:21:16,342 --> 00:21:18,075 Councillor LePage. Yes. Councillor Rogers and President 614 00:21:18,077 --> 00:21:18,709 Councillor Rogers and President Jordan. Yes. 615 00:21:18,711 --> 00:21:19,610 Jordan. Yes. Ten years. 616 00:21:19,612 --> 00:21:20,444 Ten years. Zero. Nays one. 617 00:21:20,446 --> 00:21:22,346 Zero. Nays one. Absent that passes. Next item 618 00:21:22,348 --> 00:21:26,617 Absent that passes. Next item please. 619 00:21:26,619 --> 00:21:28,852 please. This is a hearing document. 21 620 00:21:28,854 --> 00:21:31,422 This is a hearing document. 21 J city Council special permit 621 00:21:31,424 --> 00:21:34,358 J city Council special permit 267 Matt Silver for Sterling. 622 00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:35,759 267 Matt Silver for Sterling. Commonwealth builders request 623 00:21:35,761 --> 00:21:37,428 Commonwealth builders request approval to demolish existing 624 00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:39,129 approval to demolish existing single family residence and 625 00:21:39,131 --> 00:21:40,364 single family residence and construct three attached 626 00:21:40,366 --> 00:21:41,832 construct three attached townhouse condominium units on 627 00:21:41,834 --> 00:21:44,168 townhouse condominium units on a single parcel at 27 Marshland 628 00:21:44,170 --> 00:21:45,436 a single parcel at 27 Marshland Street in the residential High 629 00:21:45,438 --> 00:21:47,438 Street in the residential High Zone. Each unit is proposed to 630 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,107 Zone. Each unit is proposed to contain three bedrooms, two one 631 00:21:50,109 --> 00:21:51,709 contain three bedrooms, two one and a half bathrooms, and one 632 00:21:51,711 --> 00:21:53,310 and a half bathrooms, and one and an attached two car garage. 633 00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:54,445 and an attached two car garage. This has been continued from 634 00:21:54,447 --> 00:21:57,181 This has been continued from September 15th of 2026. Um. 635 00:21:57,183 --> 00:21:58,382 September 15th of 2026. Um. Earlier this afternoon we did 636 00:21:58,384 --> 00:21:59,984 Earlier this afternoon we did receive a communication from 637 00:21:59,986 --> 00:22:01,585 receive a communication from the applicant's attorney 638 00:22:01,587 --> 00:22:02,920 the applicant's attorney requesting to continue this 639 00:22:02,922 --> 00:22:04,755 requesting to continue this hearing due to, uh, late 640 00:22:04,757 --> 00:22:05,990 hearing due to, uh, late comments that were received by 641 00:22:05,992 --> 00:22:07,257 comments that were received by the Conservation Department 642 00:22:07,259 --> 00:22:08,892 the Conservation Department over the weekend. And in order 643 00:22:08,894 --> 00:22:10,127 over the weekend. And in order for them to respond to them, 644 00:22:10,129 --> 00:22:11,128 for them to respond to them, they'd like a little bit of 645 00:22:11,130 --> 00:22:12,463 they'd like a little bit of extra time. They're asking for 646 00:22:12,465 --> 00:22:14,265 extra time. They're asking for a continuance until October 647 00:22:14,267 --> 00:22:14,665 a continuance until October 20th. 648 00:22:14,667 --> 00:22:15,433 20th. So moved. 649 00:22:15,435 --> 00:22:16,067 So moved. Second. 650 00:22:16,069 --> 00:22:17,267 Second. Motion for Vice President. 651 00:22:17,269 --> 00:22:18,669 Motion for Vice President. Richardson. Second from was 652 00:22:18,671 --> 00:22:20,404 Richardson. Second from was Sullivan. Yes, from Councillor 653 00:22:20,406 --> 00:22:22,873 Sullivan. Yes, from Councillor Sullivan. Uh, all in favor? 654 00:22:22,875 --> 00:22:23,340 Sullivan. Uh, all in favor? Aye, aye. 655 00:22:23,342 --> 00:22:25,576 Aye, aye. That's continued until October 656 00:22:25,578 --> 00:22:27,211 That's continued until October 20th. Madam clerk, next item, 657 00:22:27,213 --> 00:22:29,313 20th. Madam clerk, next item, please. 658 00:22:29,315 --> 00:22:30,548 please. Mayor Barrett submits an 659 00:22:30,550 --> 00:22:31,882 Mayor Barrett submits an ordinance relating to amending 660 00:22:31,884 --> 00:22:34,285 ordinance relating to amending chapter 222, article 11, 661 00:22:34,287 --> 00:22:36,287 chapter 222, article 11, recreational motorized vehicles 662 00:22:36,289 --> 00:22:37,588 recreational motorized vehicles of the Haverhill City Ordinance 663 00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:38,489 of the Haverhill City Ordinance restricting the use of 664 00:22:38,491 --> 00:22:39,623 restricting the use of motorized bicycles and 665 00:22:39,625 --> 00:22:41,425 motorized bicycles and scooters, filed September 23rd 666 00:22:41,427 --> 00:22:42,993 scooters, filed September 23rd of 2026. 667 00:22:42,995 --> 00:22:44,428 of 2026. Madam mayor, Mr. president, 668 00:22:44,430 --> 00:22:46,964 Madam mayor, Mr. president, councilors. Thank you. Uh, 669 00:22:46,966 --> 00:22:49,333 councilors. Thank you. Uh, obviously, uh, there has been a 670 00:22:49,335 --> 00:22:51,835 obviously, uh, there has been a huge influx of e-bikes in the 671 00:22:51,837 --> 00:22:54,571 huge influx of e-bikes in the community and, uh, huge issues 672 00:22:54,573 --> 00:22:57,074 community and, uh, huge issues with them. Um, we have had a 673 00:22:57,076 --> 00:22:59,843 with them. Um, we have had a tragedy and we've had a bunch 674 00:22:59,845 --> 00:23:02,146 tragedy and we've had a bunch of near tragedies and injuries 675 00:23:02,148 --> 00:23:05,349 of near tragedies and injuries and, um, just it's it seems 676 00:23:05,351 --> 00:23:07,484 and, um, just it's it seems like it's a it blew up out of 677 00:23:07,486 --> 00:23:12,189 like it's a it blew up out of control. So you asked us to, 678 00:23:12,191 --> 00:23:14,691 control. So you asked us to, um, see what we could do. I 679 00:23:14,693 --> 00:23:16,359 um, see what we could do. I presented, uh, what the 680 00:23:16,361 --> 00:23:17,561 presented, uh, what the governor had proposed to the 681 00:23:17,563 --> 00:23:18,829 governor had proposed to the legislature that is still in 682 00:23:18,831 --> 00:23:20,831 legislature that is still in the legislature. That would 683 00:23:20,833 --> 00:23:22,466 the legislature. That would create different tiers on 684 00:23:22,468 --> 00:23:24,301 create different tiers on speed. That is still in the 685 00:23:24,303 --> 00:23:26,069 speed. That is still in the legislature. So we are not 686 00:23:26,071 --> 00:23:27,738 legislature. So we are not going to wait for that. We are 687 00:23:27,740 --> 00:23:29,640 going to wait for that. We are going to do, um, all the things 688 00:23:29,642 --> 00:23:31,008 going to do, um, all the things we can do within the current 689 00:23:31,010 --> 00:23:33,811 we can do within the current law. And if if that does see 690 00:23:33,813 --> 00:23:34,945 law. And if if that does see the light of day from the 691 00:23:34,947 --> 00:23:36,280 the light of day from the legislature, we can make 692 00:23:36,282 --> 00:23:38,215 legislature, we can make amendments to our ordinance 693 00:23:38,217 --> 00:23:42,086 amendments to our ordinance here. Um, this ordinance be sup 694 00:23:42,088 --> 00:23:44,888 here. Um, this ordinance be sup um, where these vehicles can be 695 00:23:44,890 --> 00:23:46,457 um, where these vehicles can be driven, how they can be driven 696 00:23:46,459 --> 00:23:48,859 driven, how they can be driven by whom they can be driven. Uh, 697 00:23:48,861 --> 00:23:52,729 by whom they can be driven. Uh, and uh, it prohibits them from 698 00:23:52,731 --> 00:23:55,566 and uh, it prohibits them from public spaces. Uh, it prohibits 699 00:23:55,568 --> 00:23:58,335 public spaces. Uh, it prohibits them from sidewalks. Um, you 700 00:23:58,337 --> 00:24:00,905 them from sidewalks. Um, you know, we, uh, on the school 701 00:24:00,907 --> 00:24:03,006 know, we, uh, on the school committee side, we have 702 00:24:03,008 --> 00:24:07,110 committee side, we have already, um, prohibited e-bikes 703 00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:09,847 already, um, prohibited e-bikes in school grounds. Um, and I 704 00:24:09,849 --> 00:24:11,048 in school grounds. Um, and I think that has made a slight 705 00:24:11,050 --> 00:24:13,317 think that has made a slight difference. Although people are 706 00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:15,452 difference. Although people are driving them and, you know, 707 00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:17,188 driving them and, you know, tying them to trees or posts 708 00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:19,122 tying them to trees or posts or, you know, it's still an 709 00:24:19,124 --> 00:24:21,325 or, you know, it's still an issue. Um, I don't think 710 00:24:21,327 --> 00:24:22,660 issue. Um, I don't think everybody has the message that 711 00:24:22,662 --> 00:24:24,795 everybody has the message that they are a danger, uh, 712 00:24:24,797 --> 00:24:26,129 they are a danger, uh, especially when they're driven 713 00:24:26,131 --> 00:24:27,798 especially when they're driven by, uh, people that do not 714 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:28,999 by, uh, people that do not understand the rules of the 715 00:24:29,001 --> 00:24:32,202 understand the rules of the road. So, we have Lieutenant 716 00:24:32,204 --> 00:24:34,071 road. So, we have Lieutenant Lynch here from the police 717 00:24:34,073 --> 00:24:35,672 Lynch here from the police department. If you have any 718 00:24:35,674 --> 00:24:38,141 department. If you have any questions, as we also have, uh, 719 00:24:38,143 --> 00:24:39,710 questions, as we also have, uh, city Solicitor Mead here for 720 00:24:39,712 --> 00:24:41,011 city Solicitor Mead here for you, for you. 721 00:24:41,013 --> 00:24:43,614 you, for you. Thank you. Councillor Diodati. 722 00:24:43,616 --> 00:24:44,748 Thank you. Councillor Diodati. Thank you, Mr. President. Uh, 723 00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:45,816 Thank you, Mr. President. Uh, my questions are for Madam 724 00:24:45,818 --> 00:24:55,492 my questions are for Madam Solicitor. Um, so first 725 00:24:55,494 --> 00:24:58,161 Solicitor. Um, so first question is the, uh. And you're 726 00:24:58,163 --> 00:24:59,230 question is the, uh. And you're right up, it says driving under 727 00:24:59,232 --> 00:25:00,764 right up, it says driving under the influence and empowerment 728 00:25:00,766 --> 00:25:01,899 the influence and empowerment of vehicles cannot be addressed 729 00:25:01,901 --> 00:25:04,167 of vehicles cannot be addressed by this ordinance. But in the 730 00:25:04,169 --> 00:25:06,036 by this ordinance. But in the ordinance, uh, for the children 731 00:25:06,038 --> 00:25:07,971 ordinance, uh, for the children under 16 and it says there will 732 00:25:07,973 --> 00:25:09,206 under 16 and it says there will be immediately seized. Impound 733 00:25:09,208 --> 00:25:11,341 be immediately seized. Impound the recreational motor vehicle. 734 00:25:11,343 --> 00:25:12,643 the recreational motor vehicle. Is that in compliance with the 735 00:25:12,645 --> 00:25:13,043 Is that in compliance with the law? 736 00:25:13,045 --> 00:25:13,444 law? Right. 737 00:25:13,446 --> 00:25:16,547 Right. So so yes and no. It's on the 738 00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:19,616 So so yes and no. It's on the edge. Right. So, um, the law 739 00:25:19,618 --> 00:25:21,118 edge. Right. So, um, the law pertains to the statute, 740 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:23,921 pertains to the statute, pertains to adults. And so the 741 00:25:23,923 --> 00:25:25,656 pertains to adults. And so the section in the ordinance that 742 00:25:25,658 --> 00:25:27,858 section in the ordinance that we provided pertains to people 743 00:25:27,860 --> 00:25:29,159 we provided pertains to people under 16. 744 00:25:29,161 --> 00:25:31,795 under 16. Okay. All right. And then, uh, 745 00:25:31,797 --> 00:25:34,198 Okay. All right. And then, uh, the my second question was in 746 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,033 the my second question was in your right up, it says, uh, $50 747 00:25:36,035 --> 00:25:37,134 your right up, it says, uh, $50 for the first offense, but it 748 00:25:37,136 --> 00:25:39,770 for the first offense, but it looks like it's $250 in the 749 00:25:39,772 --> 00:25:40,337 looks like it's $250 in the actual ordinance. 750 00:25:40,339 --> 00:25:40,704 actual ordinance. Is that. No. 751 00:25:40,706 --> 00:25:41,872 Is that. No. That's a strikeout. You just 752 00:25:41,874 --> 00:25:44,108 That's a strikeout. You just it's it's 25 and then 50, 20. 753 00:25:44,110 --> 00:25:45,476 it's it's 25 and then 50, 20. Okay. Yeah. 754 00:25:45,478 --> 00:25:46,977 Okay. Yeah. All right. I'm just at that 755 00:25:46,979 --> 00:25:50,614 All right. I'm just at that paragraph. The 222665. 756 00:25:50,616 --> 00:25:53,116 paragraph. The 222665. Yeah. So, um, it's 25 and then 757 00:25:53,118 --> 00:25:55,152 Yeah. So, um, it's 25 and then 50 in the in the strike out. 758 00:25:55,154 --> 00:25:56,786 50 in the in the strike out. Um, I don't have do you have 759 00:25:56,788 --> 00:25:57,754 Um, I don't have do you have are you looking at the final 760 00:25:57,756 --> 00:25:58,355 are you looking at the final ordinance? 761 00:25:58,357 --> 00:25:58,989 ordinance? Uh, yes. 762 00:25:58,991 --> 00:26:01,024 Uh, yes. So it should be 25 and 50. So I 763 00:26:01,026 --> 00:26:02,159 So it should be 25 and 50. So I think maybe the strike out got 764 00:26:02,161 --> 00:26:02,726 think maybe the strike out got messed up. 765 00:26:02,728 --> 00:26:03,460 messed up. Okay. 766 00:26:03,462 --> 00:26:04,361 Okay. That's it. That's all I got. 767 00:26:04,363 --> 00:26:05,763 That's it. That's all I got. Thank you. Thank you. 768 00:26:05,765 --> 00:26:07,130 Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Diodati. Councillor 769 00:26:07,132 --> 00:26:07,731 Councillor Diodati. Councillor Ferreira. 770 00:26:07,733 --> 00:26:10,734 Ferreira. Thank you. Um, could you 771 00:26:10,736 --> 00:26:12,869 Thank you. Um, could you please, just for the record and 772 00:26:12,871 --> 00:26:14,505 please, just for the record and everyone watching at home, give 773 00:26:14,507 --> 00:26:15,939 everyone watching at home, give us an overview of what is 774 00:26:15,941 --> 00:26:17,808 us an overview of what is included in this version. 775 00:26:17,810 --> 00:26:19,343 included in this version. That's before us tonight. 776 00:26:19,345 --> 00:26:20,911 That's before us tonight. Yeah. I think the, the the 777 00:26:20,913 --> 00:26:22,646 Yeah. I think the, the the major, uh, the major part of 778 00:26:22,648 --> 00:26:24,114 major, uh, the major part of this is essentially the 779 00:26:24,116 --> 00:26:26,383 this is essentially the prohibitions of writing, you 780 00:26:26,385 --> 00:26:27,584 prohibitions of writing, you know, not writing on things 781 00:26:27,586 --> 00:26:28,652 know, not writing on things that you shouldn't write on. It 782 00:26:28,654 --> 00:26:30,654 that you shouldn't write on. It doesn't it does not address 783 00:26:30,656 --> 00:26:32,389 doesn't it does not address writing on a street because 784 00:26:32,391 --> 00:26:33,557 writing on a street because you're allowed to do that in 785 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:35,525 you're allowed to do that in certain instances. So on public 786 00:26:35,527 --> 00:26:37,061 certain instances. So on public sidewalks, on public bike 787 00:26:37,063 --> 00:26:38,629 sidewalks, on public bike paths, bikeways, natural 788 00:26:38,631 --> 00:26:40,931 paths, bikeways, natural surface trails, public parks, 789 00:26:40,933 --> 00:26:42,599 surface trails, public parks, public conservation and 790 00:26:42,601 --> 00:26:45,469 public conservation and recreation areas, playgrounds, 791 00:26:45,471 --> 00:26:46,937 recreation areas, playgrounds, uh, private property without 792 00:26:46,939 --> 00:26:48,672 uh, private property without written permission to do so, 793 00:26:48,674 --> 00:26:51,541 written permission to do so, um, and um, up on away any time 794 00:26:51,543 --> 00:26:54,111 um, and um, up on away any time after sunset or before sunrise. 795 00:26:54,113 --> 00:26:57,748 after sunset or before sunrise. So those are the major issues. 796 00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:59,449 So those are the major issues. Um, and then in addition, as 797 00:26:59,451 --> 00:27:01,619 Um, and then in addition, as noted by the councillor before, 798 00:27:01,621 --> 00:27:03,354 noted by the councillor before, if you are under 16, you are 799 00:27:03,356 --> 00:27:04,688 if you are under 16, you are found to violate this 800 00:27:04,690 --> 00:27:06,690 found to violate this ordinance. Um, you can have 801 00:27:06,692 --> 00:27:10,127 ordinance. Um, you can have your the e-bike, um, 802 00:27:10,129 --> 00:27:12,229 your the e-bike, um, confiscated, but you can get it 803 00:27:12,231 --> 00:27:13,997 confiscated, but you can get it back in. There are certain 804 00:27:13,999 --> 00:27:15,432 back in. There are certain penalties depending on what it 805 00:27:15,434 --> 00:27:17,434 penalties depending on what it is, um, for how long it's held. 806 00:27:17,436 --> 00:27:18,435 is, um, for how long it's held. And then you have to show proof 807 00:27:18,437 --> 00:27:19,770 And then you have to show proof of ownership in order to get it 808 00:27:19,772 --> 00:27:21,605 of ownership in order to get it back. So that's in there as 809 00:27:21,607 --> 00:27:22,039 back. So that's in there as well. 810 00:27:22,041 --> 00:27:25,609 well. Great. And to clarify for the, 811 00:27:25,611 --> 00:27:28,445 Great. And to clarify for the, um, after dusk evening, our 812 00:27:28,447 --> 00:27:30,180 um, after dusk evening, our riding, is it just scooters or 813 00:27:30,182 --> 00:27:32,149 riding, is it just scooters or would this also cover e-bikes 814 00:27:32,151 --> 00:27:33,017 would this also cover e-bikes themselves. 815 00:27:33,019 --> 00:27:36,319 themselves. So it is. Uh, no person shall 816 00:27:36,321 --> 00:27:38,655 So it is. Uh, no person shall operate in a scooter upon any 817 00:27:38,657 --> 00:27:40,057 operate in a scooter upon any way at any time after sunset. 818 00:27:40,059 --> 00:27:41,792 way at any time after sunset. And my guess is because those 819 00:27:41,794 --> 00:27:44,027 And my guess is because those lack lights and fixtures that 820 00:27:44,029 --> 00:27:45,262 lack lights and fixtures that would make it safer to ride in 821 00:27:45,264 --> 00:27:46,396 would make it safer to ride in the evening. That's correct. 822 00:27:46,398 --> 00:27:49,733 the evening. That's correct. Okay. And then, um, one thing 823 00:27:49,735 --> 00:27:51,868 Okay. And then, um, one thing that jumped out at me, which I 824 00:27:51,870 --> 00:27:55,139 that jumped out at me, which I 100% agree, this is overdue and 825 00:27:55,141 --> 00:27:58,842 100% agree, this is overdue and needed for sure. Um, is I have 826 00:27:58,844 --> 00:28:01,945 needed for sure. Um, is I have a concern about class one 827 00:28:01,947 --> 00:28:04,081 a concern about class one e-bikes not being allowed on 828 00:28:04,083 --> 00:28:07,384 e-bikes not being allowed on paved bike paths. Um, and I 829 00:28:07,386 --> 00:28:10,821 paved bike paths. Um, and I guess for me, using some blue 830 00:28:10,823 --> 00:28:12,422 guess for me, using some blue bikes, for example, in Boston 831 00:28:12,424 --> 00:28:13,957 bikes, for example, in Boston also has e-bikes. Those are 832 00:28:13,959 --> 00:28:16,727 also has e-bikes. Those are class one. They go to 18mph. 833 00:28:16,729 --> 00:28:17,794 class one. They go to 18mph. Those are allowed on bike 834 00:28:17,796 --> 00:28:19,896 Those are allowed on bike paths. I think just for me, 835 00:28:19,898 --> 00:28:22,065 paths. I think just for me, considering our urban setting 836 00:28:22,067 --> 00:28:25,035 considering our urban setting in the cheaper, more affordable 837 00:28:25,037 --> 00:28:27,104 in the cheaper, more affordable transportation route that these 838 00:28:27,106 --> 00:28:28,972 transportation route that these e-bikes, the class one version 839 00:28:28,974 --> 00:28:32,075 e-bikes, the class one version provides. Um, I, I would like 840 00:28:32,077 --> 00:28:35,112 provides. Um, I, I would like to see the class one e-bikes 841 00:28:35,114 --> 00:28:37,247 to see the class one e-bikes allowed on our paved bike 842 00:28:37,249 --> 00:28:39,416 allowed on our paved bike paths, not the natural 843 00:28:39,418 --> 00:28:41,185 paths, not the natural surfaces, which is what is 844 00:28:41,187 --> 00:28:43,019 surfaces, which is what is included in there already. And 845 00:28:43,021 --> 00:28:44,187 included in there already. And of course, no sidewalks, which 846 00:28:44,189 --> 00:28:45,388 of course, no sidewalks, which was also included in this 847 00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:46,723 was also included in this proposed ordinance. And I 848 00:28:46,725 --> 00:28:48,825 proposed ordinance. And I wanted to, um, present that to 849 00:28:48,827 --> 00:28:50,527 wanted to, um, present that to my fellow councilors as a 850 00:28:50,529 --> 00:28:53,997 my fellow councilors as a potential, um, change. If 851 00:28:53,999 --> 00:28:57,701 potential, um, change. If anyone would like to consider. 852 00:28:57,703 --> 00:29:01,404 anyone would like to consider. Uh, my only, uh, hesitation on 853 00:29:01,406 --> 00:29:03,006 Uh, my only, uh, hesitation on that is we have gotten 854 00:29:03,008 --> 00:29:04,941 that is we have gotten complaints from people on rail 855 00:29:04,943 --> 00:29:07,310 complaints from people on rail trails that are paved that 856 00:29:07,312 --> 00:29:10,480 trails that are paved that were, um, either hit or near 857 00:29:10,482 --> 00:29:13,550 were, um, either hit or near hits. Um, on those paths. 858 00:29:13,552 --> 00:29:14,685 hits. Um, on those paths. Um. 859 00:29:14,687 --> 00:29:17,187 Um. Yeah. I think, um, 860 00:29:17,189 --> 00:29:19,222 Yeah. I think, um, realistically speaking, whether 861 00:29:19,224 --> 00:29:20,791 realistically speaking, whether you're pedal assist or not, 862 00:29:20,793 --> 00:29:23,426 you're pedal assist or not, 18mph is very feasible to do on 863 00:29:23,428 --> 00:29:25,328 18mph is very feasible to do on a regular bike on those paved 864 00:29:25,330 --> 00:29:27,597 a regular bike on those paved paths to. So I would hate to 865 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:29,232 paths to. So I would hate to see us have to go back and 866 00:29:29,234 --> 00:29:30,834 see us have to go back and adjust an ordinance if we were 867 00:29:30,836 --> 00:29:32,369 adjust an ordinance if we were so lucky to have a bike share 868 00:29:32,371 --> 00:29:33,803 so lucky to have a bike share program in the city in the 869 00:29:33,805 --> 00:29:36,039 program in the city in the future, which is expanding to 870 00:29:36,041 --> 00:29:38,909 future, which is expanding to our area to, um, which would be 871 00:29:38,911 --> 00:29:40,310 our area to, um, which would be awesome. I think to have that 872 00:29:40,312 --> 00:29:42,579 awesome. I think to have that kind of program, um, here in 873 00:29:42,581 --> 00:29:45,515 kind of program, um, here in Haverhill. So, I mean, I think 874 00:29:45,517 --> 00:29:48,051 Haverhill. So, I mean, I think with signage and education, 875 00:29:48,053 --> 00:29:49,786 with signage and education, what's expected on a bike path, 876 00:29:49,788 --> 00:29:50,787 what's expected on a bike path, a paved bike path, I would 877 00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:52,522 a paved bike path, I would assume would go along with this 878 00:29:52,524 --> 00:29:54,424 assume would go along with this kind of ordinance change also 879 00:29:54,426 --> 00:29:55,725 kind of ordinance change also in the natural areas and in the 880 00:29:55,727 --> 00:29:58,328 in the natural areas and in the conservation area. So, um, I 881 00:29:58,330 --> 00:30:00,263 conservation area. So, um, I guess that would be my motion, 882 00:30:00,265 --> 00:30:01,264 guess that would be my motion, if that's a proper way to 883 00:30:01,266 --> 00:30:06,170 if that's a proper way to handle it. 884 00:30:06,172 --> 00:30:08,171 handle it. Anything else? Councilor? Thank 885 00:30:08,173 --> 00:30:11,908 Anything else? Councilor? Thank you. Thank you. Uh, Vice 886 00:30:11,910 --> 00:30:13,110 you. Thank you. Uh, Vice President Richardson. 887 00:30:13,112 --> 00:30:15,546 President Richardson. Thank you, Mr. President. Um, 888 00:30:15,548 --> 00:30:18,348 Thank you, Mr. President. Um, this is based on the Ride Safe 889 00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:22,686 this is based on the Ride Safe Act, which hasn't been proposed 890 00:30:22,688 --> 00:30:25,255 Act, which hasn't been proposed yet. It's not law, but I do 891 00:30:25,257 --> 00:30:27,958 yet. It's not law, but I do think this is consistent with 892 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,693 think this is consistent with what my colleague was saying 893 00:30:29,695 --> 00:30:32,162 what my colleague was saying about class one and class two 894 00:30:32,164 --> 00:30:34,331 about class one and class two e-bikes. Maybe being in a 895 00:30:34,333 --> 00:30:37,534 e-bikes. Maybe being in a different category. Uh, for 896 00:30:37,536 --> 00:30:41,038 different category. Uh, for some things, uh, such as she 897 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,408 some things, uh, such as she mentioned, um, the T zero in 898 00:30:45,410 --> 00:30:47,177 mentioned, um, the T zero in the ride Safe act, that tier 899 00:30:47,179 --> 00:30:49,813 the ride Safe act, that tier zero includes class one and 900 00:30:49,815 --> 00:30:55,285 zero includes class one and class two e-bikes up to 20mph. 901 00:30:55,287 --> 00:30:57,287 class two e-bikes up to 20mph. So there's just a little more, 902 00:30:57,289 --> 00:31:03,026 So there's just a little more, um, opportunity for the, um, 903 00:31:03,028 --> 00:31:05,862 um, opportunity for the, um, the e-bikes. Then by grouping 904 00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:15,205 the e-bikes. Then by grouping everything together. And, yeah. 905 00:31:15,207 --> 00:31:18,141 everything together. And, yeah. So this is a policy issue for 906 00:31:18,143 --> 00:31:19,976 So this is a policy issue for the council and the mayor, 907 00:31:19,978 --> 00:31:20,310 the council and the mayor, right? 908 00:31:20,312 --> 00:31:22,545 right? Yeah. That's why we're bringing 909 00:31:22,547 --> 00:31:27,484 Yeah. That's why we're bringing it up. Right? Yeah. Oh, I'm 910 00:31:27,486 --> 00:31:29,486 it up. Right? Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. Um, I can't really see 911 00:31:29,488 --> 00:31:30,053 sorry. Um, I can't really see you that good. 912 00:31:30,055 --> 00:31:33,990 you that good. Though. Let's wait for that. 913 00:31:33,992 --> 00:31:38,629 Though. Let's wait for that. Mic drop. 914 00:31:38,631 --> 00:31:40,831 Mic drop. Councilors. Um, as far as the 915 00:31:40,833 --> 00:31:42,699 Councilors. Um, as far as the different tiers, um, that is 916 00:31:42,701 --> 00:31:45,235 different tiers, um, that is why the school committee banned 917 00:31:45,237 --> 00:31:47,570 why the school committee banned all e-bikes from school 918 00:31:47,572 --> 00:31:49,839 all e-bikes from school grounds. Because, uh, otherwise, 919 00:31:49,841 --> 00:31:53,043 grounds. Because, uh, otherwise, you're putting a in the schools 920 00:31:53,045 --> 00:31:54,244 you're putting a in the schools in particular, you are putting 921 00:31:54,246 --> 00:31:56,713 in particular, you are putting a burden on either the SRO or 922 00:31:56,715 --> 00:31:58,582 a burden on either the SRO or the principal to make a 923 00:31:58,584 --> 00:32:00,050 the principal to make a determination how fast an 924 00:32:00,052 --> 00:32:02,185 determination how fast an e-bike goes. And you can't it's 925 00:32:02,187 --> 00:32:04,154 e-bike goes. And you can't it's not emblazoned on the side of a 926 00:32:04,156 --> 00:32:06,256 not emblazoned on the side of a bike. So I think that's why we 927 00:32:06,258 --> 00:32:09,259 bike. So I think that's why we included it. Uh, they are at 18 928 00:32:09,261 --> 00:32:11,761 included it. Uh, they are at 18 miles an hour. If a five a 929 00:32:11,763 --> 00:32:13,129 miles an hour. If a five a fifth grader is driving it, it 930 00:32:13,131 --> 00:32:15,365 fifth grader is driving it, it is still 18 miles an hour. It 931 00:32:15,367 --> 00:32:17,233 is still 18 miles an hour. It is still a dangerous vehicle 932 00:32:17,235 --> 00:32:18,601 is still a dangerous vehicle ridden by somebody that does 933 00:32:18,603 --> 00:32:19,936 ridden by somebody that does not understand the rules of the 934 00:32:19,938 --> 00:32:23,206 not understand the rules of the road. 935 00:32:23,208 --> 00:32:25,642 road. Uh, thank you very much on 936 00:32:25,644 --> 00:32:28,044 Uh, thank you very much on that. And I do have another 937 00:32:28,046 --> 00:32:31,214 that. And I do have another policy type. Um, question, but 938 00:32:31,216 --> 00:32:33,783 policy type. Um, question, but it's not, um, you know, it's 939 00:32:33,785 --> 00:32:36,486 it's not, um, you know, it's it's not a big hitter, but, uh, 940 00:32:36,488 --> 00:32:40,457 it's not a big hitter, but, uh, should the 30 to 90 day 941 00:32:40,459 --> 00:32:42,826 should the 30 to 90 day impoundment apply to every 942 00:32:42,828 --> 00:32:45,895 impoundment apply to every listed repeat offense or only 943 00:32:45,897 --> 00:32:48,498 listed repeat offense or only repeated serious and dangerous 944 00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:57,641 repeated serious and dangerous conduct? 945 00:32:57,643 --> 00:32:59,275 conduct? Amenable to a different number 946 00:32:59,277 --> 00:33:03,113 Amenable to a different number or different? You know, if you 947 00:33:03,115 --> 00:33:05,349 or different? You know, if you want to suggest something. 948 00:33:05,351 --> 00:33:09,052 want to suggest something. Okay, what do you think? Well, 949 00:33:09,054 --> 00:33:10,487 Okay, what do you think? Well, maybe some of my colleagues 950 00:33:10,489 --> 00:33:13,156 maybe some of my colleagues will respond to that. Thank 951 00:33:13,158 --> 00:33:13,991 will respond to that. Thank you, Mr. President. 952 00:33:13,993 --> 00:33:15,525 you, Mr. President. You're welcome. Vice President 953 00:33:15,527 --> 00:33:17,160 You're welcome. Vice President Richardson, just to be clear, 954 00:33:17,162 --> 00:33:19,295 Richardson, just to be clear, so Councilor Ferreira made a 955 00:33:19,297 --> 00:33:20,664 so Councilor Ferreira made a motion. And if I understood 956 00:33:20,666 --> 00:33:22,098 motion. And if I understood correctly, your motion was to 957 00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:25,602 correctly, your motion was to allow, uh, scooters or. 958 00:33:25,604 --> 00:33:27,004 allow, uh, scooters or. To allow. 959 00:33:27,006 --> 00:33:28,038 To allow. Class one. 960 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:28,805 Class one. To allow class. 961 00:33:28,807 --> 00:33:31,975 To allow class. One on paved bike paths within 962 00:33:31,977 --> 00:33:33,477 One on paved bike paths within the city. And I just wanted to 963 00:33:33,479 --> 00:33:35,278 the city. And I just wanted to clarify that in the ordinance, 964 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,080 clarify that in the ordinance, as before, us under operating 965 00:33:37,082 --> 00:33:41,084 as before, us under operating restrictions. So that's section 966 00:33:41,086 --> 00:33:45,355 restrictions. So that's section 222-63 letter I recreational 967 00:33:45,357 --> 00:33:47,090 222-63 letter I recreational motorized vehicles, excluding 968 00:33:47,092 --> 00:33:48,491 motorized vehicles, excluding e-bikes, shall not be operated 969 00:33:48,493 --> 00:33:50,493 e-bikes, shall not be operated on any way by a person under 16 970 00:33:50,495 --> 00:33:51,728 on any way by a person under 16 years of age. So that's already 971 00:33:51,730 --> 00:33:52,929 years of age. So that's already in the ordinance. The age 972 00:33:52,931 --> 00:33:54,431 in the ordinance. The age restrictions are already there. 973 00:33:54,433 --> 00:33:56,933 restrictions are already there. This would be for adult riders 974 00:33:56,935 --> 00:33:58,968 This would be for adult riders over the age of 16. Young 975 00:33:58,970 --> 00:34:00,570 over the age of 16. Young writers, however you say it, 976 00:34:00,572 --> 00:34:02,005 writers, however you say it, um, to be allowed to operate 977 00:34:02,007 --> 00:34:04,174 um, to be allowed to operate e-bikes, which are class one, 978 00:34:04,176 --> 00:34:06,142 e-bikes, which are class one, which can go up to 20 miles an 979 00:34:06,144 --> 00:34:08,812 which can go up to 20 miles an hour on our paved, um, bike 980 00:34:08,814 --> 00:34:10,914 hour on our paved, um, bike paths. So that would be my. 981 00:34:10,916 --> 00:34:12,883 paths. So that would be my. motion to make that change. 982 00:34:12,885 --> 00:34:13,983 motion to make that change. Thank you. Are you seconding 983 00:34:13,985 --> 00:34:14,851 Thank you. Are you seconding it? Yes. 984 00:34:14,853 --> 00:34:17,120 it? Yes. Yes. 985 00:34:17,122 --> 00:34:18,455 Yes. Okay. We have other councilors 986 00:34:18,457 --> 00:34:19,056 Okay. We have other councilors that want to weigh in. 987 00:34:19,058 --> 00:34:20,023 that want to weigh in. Councilor Sullivan. 988 00:34:20,025 --> 00:34:20,624 Councilor Sullivan. Yes. 989 00:34:20,626 --> 00:34:21,324 Yes. Um. 990 00:34:21,326 --> 00:34:23,259 Um. On that subject, I would say I 991 00:34:23,261 --> 00:34:24,394 On that subject, I would say I would leave it alone and let's 992 00:34:24,396 --> 00:34:26,196 would leave it alone and let's see how it works. But I'm more 993 00:34:26,198 --> 00:34:27,197 see how it works. But I'm more concerned about how we're going 994 00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:28,732 concerned about how we're going to enforce this new ordinance. 995 00:34:28,734 --> 00:34:29,599 to enforce this new ordinance. Lieutenant Lynch, could you 996 00:34:29,601 --> 00:34:31,234 Lieutenant Lynch, could you come up, just tell us if the 997 00:34:31,236 --> 00:34:33,503 come up, just tell us if the department is prepared to 998 00:34:33,505 --> 00:34:35,105 department is prepared to launch any kind of an effort to 999 00:34:35,107 --> 00:34:38,007 launch any kind of an effort to not only, uh, enforce, but and 1000 00:34:38,009 --> 00:34:39,642 not only, uh, enforce, but and others educate, educate the 1001 00:34:39,644 --> 00:34:40,610 others educate, educate the public? I know we've done a lot 1002 00:34:40,612 --> 00:34:42,345 public? I know we've done a lot of educating in the schools, 1003 00:34:42,347 --> 00:34:43,379 of educating in the schools, uh, you know, getting that 1004 00:34:43,381 --> 00:34:44,614 uh, you know, getting that straight straightened out. But 1005 00:34:44,616 --> 00:34:45,281 straight straightened out. But now, how are we going to 1006 00:34:45,283 --> 00:34:46,182 now, how are we going to educate the community and how 1007 00:34:46,184 --> 00:34:47,217 educate the community and how are we going to enforce this? 1008 00:34:47,219 --> 00:34:48,151 are we going to enforce this? Lieutenant Lynch well. 1009 00:34:48,153 --> 00:34:49,152 Lieutenant Lynch well. We're going to use social 1010 00:34:49,154 --> 00:34:50,620 We're going to use social media. We're going to partner 1011 00:34:50,622 --> 00:34:52,756 media. We're going to partner with the schools to teach the 1012 00:34:52,758 --> 00:34:55,391 with the schools to teach the children, you know, that they 1013 00:34:55,393 --> 00:34:57,561 children, you know, that they have to follow this. You know, 1014 00:34:57,563 --> 00:34:58,661 have to follow this. You know, additionally, an issue that's 1015 00:34:58,663 --> 00:35:01,031 additionally, an issue that's come up recently is kids are 1016 00:35:01,033 --> 00:35:02,966 come up recently is kids are riding these bikes, chaining 1017 00:35:02,968 --> 00:35:06,970 riding these bikes, chaining them to trees, poles, signs. So 1018 00:35:06,972 --> 00:35:08,071 them to trees, poles, signs. So what's going to happen now is 1019 00:35:08,073 --> 00:35:09,973 what's going to happen now is if they continue to do this, 1020 00:35:09,975 --> 00:35:12,342 if they continue to do this, we're going to cut the locks. 1021 00:35:12,344 --> 00:35:13,910 we're going to cut the locks. We're going to keep them for 1022 00:35:13,912 --> 00:35:16,079 We're going to keep them for safe. Keep. If it's on a city 1023 00:35:16,081 --> 00:35:18,781 safe. Keep. If it's on a city tree, a city sign, a city pole, 1024 00:35:18,783 --> 00:35:20,783 tree, a city sign, a city pole, anything on city property, 1025 00:35:20,785 --> 00:35:22,252 anything on city property, we're going to let the schools 1026 00:35:22,254 --> 00:35:23,987 we're going to let the schools know so they can educate the 1027 00:35:23,989 --> 00:35:25,722 know so they can educate the kids and the parents to say, if 1028 00:35:25,724 --> 00:35:26,723 kids and the parents to say, if this happens, this is what's 1029 00:35:26,725 --> 00:35:28,725 this happens, this is what's going to happen. It's going to 1030 00:35:28,727 --> 00:35:31,127 going to happen. It's going to be taken by us for safekeeping, 1031 00:35:31,129 --> 00:35:32,328 be taken by us for safekeeping, and they can show proof of 1032 00:35:32,330 --> 00:35:33,396 and they can show proof of ownership and it'll be 1033 00:35:33,398 --> 00:35:35,198 ownership and it'll be returned. But we see them all 1034 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,734 returned. But we see them all around the school grounds, all 1035 00:35:37,736 --> 00:35:39,602 around the school grounds, all around neighborhoods change the 1036 00:35:39,604 --> 00:35:41,538 around neighborhoods change the trees, and we're just not going 1037 00:35:41,540 --> 00:35:42,372 trees, and we're just not going to allow it. 1038 00:35:42,374 --> 00:35:44,207 to allow it. And what can we do to increase 1039 00:35:44,209 --> 00:35:46,075 And what can we do to increase awareness and and control the 1040 00:35:46,077 --> 00:35:47,477 awareness and and control the situation in the inner city 1041 00:35:47,479 --> 00:35:49,012 situation in the inner city streets, Winter Street and 1042 00:35:49,014 --> 00:35:50,179 streets, Winter Street and Primrose Street and all the 1043 00:35:50,181 --> 00:35:51,882 Primrose Street and all the tight streets in the inner 1044 00:35:51,884 --> 00:35:53,616 tight streets in the inner city? The way we've all heard 1045 00:35:53,618 --> 00:35:55,485 city? The way we've all heard or seen potential horror shows 1046 00:35:55,487 --> 00:35:57,087 or seen potential horror shows or tragedies when kids are 1047 00:35:57,089 --> 00:35:57,820 or tragedies when kids are whipping through the 1048 00:35:57,822 --> 00:35:59,222 whipping through the intersections, not stopping at 1049 00:35:59,224 --> 00:36:00,323 intersections, not stopping at red lights and such. 1050 00:36:00,325 --> 00:36:02,159 red lights and such. And that goes back to 1051 00:36:02,161 --> 00:36:04,294 And that goes back to education. And a big component 1052 00:36:04,296 --> 00:36:05,028 education. And a big component is we're going to have to 1053 00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:06,930 is we're going to have to educate parents. Parents need 1054 00:36:06,932 --> 00:36:08,565 educate parents. Parents need to take responsibility for 1055 00:36:08,567 --> 00:36:10,700 to take responsibility for their children and not buy the 1056 00:36:10,702 --> 00:36:13,770 their children and not buy the three $400 scooters and let 1057 00:36:13,772 --> 00:36:15,838 three $400 scooters and let them go out on the street. And 1058 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,408 them go out on the street. And if they're we do confiscate it. 1059 00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:21,644 if they're we do confiscate it. We educate the parents and 1060 00:36:21,646 --> 00:36:22,912 We educate the parents and we'll just continue to do that. 1061 00:36:22,914 --> 00:36:24,981 we'll just continue to do that. That's that's all we can do. We 1062 00:36:24,983 --> 00:36:26,449 That's that's all we can do. We don't need another tragedy. 1063 00:36:26,451 --> 00:36:27,050 don't need another tragedy. Right. 1064 00:36:27,052 --> 00:36:28,184 Right. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. 1065 00:36:28,186 --> 00:36:28,585 Thank you. Thank you, Mr. President. 1066 00:36:28,587 --> 00:36:30,320 President. Thank you, Councillor Sullivan. 1067 00:36:30,322 --> 00:36:31,521 Thank you, Councillor Sullivan. Councilor Ferreira, did you 1068 00:36:31,523 --> 00:36:34,557 Councilor Ferreira, did you have more? Thank you. Okay. Um, 1069 00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:35,258 have more? Thank you. Okay. Um, yeah, I have a couple of 1070 00:36:35,260 --> 00:36:36,593 yeah, I have a couple of questions. Follow up, I think, 1071 00:36:36,595 --> 00:36:38,795 questions. Follow up, I think, for you, Lieutenant Lynch. So, 1072 00:36:38,797 --> 00:36:41,064 for you, Lieutenant Lynch. So, um, do you feel like with these 1073 00:36:41,066 --> 00:36:43,400 um, do you feel like with these changes, you have what you 1074 00:36:43,402 --> 00:36:44,400 changes, you have what you need? I know this came up at 1075 00:36:44,402 --> 00:36:45,401 need? I know this came up at the subcommittee meeting I 1076 00:36:45,403 --> 00:36:46,869 the subcommittee meeting I attended was at that time, you 1077 00:36:46,871 --> 00:36:49,038 attended was at that time, you guys felt somewhat powerless. I 1078 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:49,839 guys felt somewhat powerless. I don't wanna put words in your 1079 00:36:49,841 --> 00:36:50,673 don't wanna put words in your mouth, but, like, as far as 1080 00:36:50,675 --> 00:36:52,475 mouth, but, like, as far as being able to. When enforce. 1081 00:36:52,477 --> 00:36:53,943 being able to. When enforce. Now, what if this passes 1082 00:36:53,945 --> 00:36:55,245 Now, what if this passes tonight? Do you feel like you 1083 00:36:55,247 --> 00:36:56,446 tonight? Do you feel like you have the tools you need? I know 1084 00:36:56,448 --> 00:36:57,347 have the tools you need? I know one of the things you mentioned 1085 00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:59,015 one of the things you mentioned was then was the, which is a 1086 00:36:59,017 --> 00:37:00,149 was then was the, which is a question mark about being able 1087 00:37:00,151 --> 00:37:02,218 question mark about being able to confiscate the bikes. Now, 1088 00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:03,286 to confiscate the bikes. Now, if we approve this, you'll have 1089 00:37:03,288 --> 00:37:05,155 if we approve this, you'll have that authority. Does this give 1090 00:37:05,157 --> 00:37:06,489 that authority. Does this give you what you feel like you need 1091 00:37:06,491 --> 00:37:07,624 you what you feel like you need to make a meaningful 1092 00:37:07,626 --> 00:37:08,058 to make a meaningful difference? 1093 00:37:08,060 --> 00:37:10,093 difference? Yes. It's definitely a stock. 1094 00:37:10,095 --> 00:37:11,494 Yes. It's definitely a stock. We have to start somewhere. 1095 00:37:11,496 --> 00:37:11,995 We have to start somewhere. Yeah. 1096 00:37:11,997 --> 00:37:13,163 Yeah. So. 1097 00:37:13,165 --> 00:37:15,031 So. And, um, just for the public 1098 00:37:15,033 --> 00:37:16,366 And, um, just for the public and everybody watching, paying 1099 00:37:16,368 --> 00:37:18,601 and everybody watching, paying attention. Among the complaints 1100 00:37:18,603 --> 00:37:20,036 attention. Among the complaints I hear a lot and just see is 1101 00:37:20,038 --> 00:37:21,537 I hear a lot and just see is people riding these without 1102 00:37:21,539 --> 00:37:23,373 people riding these without helmets on. Is that reason 1103 00:37:23,375 --> 00:37:25,275 helmets on. Is that reason enough? Whether they're over 1104 00:37:25,277 --> 00:37:26,509 enough? Whether they're over the age of 16 under the age of 1105 00:37:26,511 --> 00:37:28,511 the age of 16 under the age of 16, can you stop them for 1106 00:37:28,513 --> 00:37:31,147 16, can you stop them for riding without a helmet. 1107 00:37:31,149 --> 00:37:32,782 riding without a helmet. Under 16? It's a law. You're 1108 00:37:32,784 --> 00:37:33,583 Under 16? It's a law. You're supposed to wear a helmet. 1109 00:37:33,585 --> 00:37:34,284 supposed to wear a helmet. Okay. 1110 00:37:34,286 --> 00:37:35,752 Okay. So it's under 16. 1111 00:37:35,754 --> 00:37:36,419 So it's under 16. Okay. 1112 00:37:36,421 --> 00:37:38,989 Okay. Thank you, Councillor Diodati. 1113 00:37:38,991 --> 00:37:40,457 Thank you, Councillor Diodati. Thank you, Mr. President. 1114 00:37:40,459 --> 00:37:41,824 Thank you, Mr. President. I'm just curious to know, like 1115 00:37:41,826 --> 00:37:43,026 I'm just curious to know, like the levels of these bikes, how 1116 00:37:43,028 --> 00:37:44,260 the levels of these bikes, how do you actually tell which 1117 00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:45,962 do you actually tell which one's a level one or a level 1118 00:37:45,964 --> 00:37:46,429 one's a level one or a level two? 1119 00:37:46,431 --> 00:37:47,030 two? Like do. 1120 00:37:47,032 --> 00:37:50,000 Like do. A lot of it goes by the voltage 1121 00:37:50,002 --> 00:37:53,136 A lot of it goes by the voltage of motors, which does create a 1122 00:37:53,138 --> 00:37:56,072 of motors, which does create a problem because there's you can 1123 00:37:56,074 --> 00:37:58,474 problem because there's you can take a motor out, open it up, 1124 00:37:58,476 --> 00:38:00,376 take a motor out, open it up, put a semiconductor in, do 1125 00:38:00,378 --> 00:38:02,078 put a semiconductor in, do things, put it back together 1126 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,946 things, put it back together and it can go 40 miles an hour. 1127 00:38:03,948 --> 00:38:04,814 and it can go 40 miles an hour. But it's going to say it's 1128 00:38:04,816 --> 00:38:05,915 But it's going to say it's going to go 20. 1129 00:38:05,917 --> 00:38:07,984 going to go 20. So that the tier one could 1130 00:38:07,986 --> 00:38:09,886 So that the tier one could ultimately be manipulated to be 1131 00:38:09,888 --> 00:38:11,454 ultimately be manipulated to be faster than 20 miles an hour. 1132 00:38:11,456 --> 00:38:12,022 faster than 20 miles an hour. Yes. 1133 00:38:12,024 --> 00:38:13,423 Yes. And then I guess my other 1134 00:38:13,425 --> 00:38:14,891 And then I guess my other concern with, uh, Councilor 1135 00:38:14,893 --> 00:38:16,693 concern with, uh, Councilor Ferreira's motion is it's like 1136 00:38:16,695 --> 00:38:19,595 Ferreira's motion is it's like from a policing perspective, 1137 00:38:19,597 --> 00:38:20,830 from a policing perspective, it's someone's on one of these 1138 00:38:20,832 --> 00:38:21,831 it's someone's on one of these things. Maybe they don't even 1139 00:38:21,833 --> 00:38:23,500 things. Maybe they don't even know what they have. Um, and if 1140 00:38:23,502 --> 00:38:24,767 know what they have. Um, and if something were to whiz by me at 1141 00:38:24,769 --> 00:38:25,835 something were to whiz by me at 20 miles an hour, I'm just 1142 00:38:25,837 --> 00:38:26,636 20 miles an hour, I'm just going to assume it's the 1143 00:38:26,638 --> 00:38:27,637 going to assume it's the fastest one on the market, 1144 00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:28,905 fastest one on the market, because that's pretty fast for 1145 00:38:28,907 --> 00:38:30,006 because that's pretty fast for someone to be coming by you at 1146 00:38:30,008 --> 00:38:31,908 someone to be coming by you at a standstill. I think it would 1147 00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:33,443 a standstill. I think it would be. Would you agree it would be 1148 00:38:33,445 --> 00:38:35,578 be. Would you agree it would be hard to police? Um, if we did 1149 00:38:35,580 --> 00:38:37,213 hard to police? Um, if we did decide to kind of tear how 1150 00:38:37,215 --> 00:38:38,048 decide to kind of tear how these things went on the 1151 00:38:38,050 --> 00:38:38,748 these things went on the public. 1152 00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:39,282 public. Trails. 1153 00:38:39,284 --> 00:38:41,051 Trails. It'll be difficult. 1154 00:38:41,053 --> 00:38:43,520 It'll be difficult. Okay. All right. That's all I 1155 00:38:43,522 --> 00:38:43,720 Okay. All right. That's all I got. 1156 00:38:43,722 --> 00:38:44,053 got. Thank you. 1157 00:38:44,055 --> 00:38:45,455 Thank you. Thank you, councillor Diodati. 1158 00:38:45,457 --> 00:38:46,756 Thank you, councillor Diodati. Councillor McGonigle. 1159 00:38:46,758 --> 00:38:47,791 Councillor McGonigle. Thank you, Mr. President. 1160 00:38:47,793 --> 00:38:49,225 Thank you, Mr. President. And just following up on 1161 00:38:49,227 --> 00:38:50,994 And just following up on Councillor Dodds, I think it 1162 00:38:50,996 --> 00:38:53,062 Councillor Dodds, I think it would be very hard to police by 1163 00:38:53,064 --> 00:38:55,131 would be very hard to police by seeing it or there's no labels 1164 00:38:55,133 --> 00:38:56,432 seeing it or there's no labels on them. As the mayor pointed 1165 00:38:56,434 --> 00:38:58,468 on them. As the mayor pointed out saying I'm this or I'm 1166 00:38:58,470 --> 00:39:00,737 out saying I'm this or I'm that. The model number. So I 1167 00:39:00,739 --> 00:39:02,872 that. The model number. So I would rather err on the side of 1168 00:39:02,874 --> 00:39:05,208 would rather err on the side of caution so I won't support that 1169 00:39:05,210 --> 00:39:07,877 caution so I won't support that motion because I think it's too 1170 00:39:07,879 --> 00:39:10,012 motion because I think it's too hard to regulate that. It'd be 1171 00:39:10,014 --> 00:39:11,814 hard to regulate that. It'd be easy to just say, hey, get on a 1172 00:39:11,816 --> 00:39:13,683 easy to just say, hey, get on a bike, or find another way of 1173 00:39:13,685 --> 00:39:15,385 bike, or find another way of transportation, not something 1174 00:39:15,387 --> 00:39:17,220 transportation, not something that's electric. So thank you, 1175 00:39:17,222 --> 00:39:17,821 that's electric. So thank you, Mr. President. 1176 00:39:17,823 --> 00:39:18,421 Mr. President. Thank you. Councillor 1177 00:39:18,423 --> 00:39:19,989 Thank you. Councillor McGonigle. Councillor Rogers. 1178 00:39:19,991 --> 00:39:21,624 McGonigle. Councillor Rogers. A quick, quick question. The 1179 00:39:21,626 --> 00:39:22,725 A quick, quick question. The rail trails, are they bike 1180 00:39:22,727 --> 00:39:24,560 rail trails, are they bike paths called bike paths two. Is 1181 00:39:24,562 --> 00:39:25,695 paths called bike paths two. Is that what we're when we're 1182 00:39:25,697 --> 00:39:26,896 that what we're when we're talking about a bike path. What 1183 00:39:26,898 --> 00:39:28,098 talking about a bike path. What are we, a paved bike. Are you. 1184 00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:28,565 are we, a paved bike. Are you. Talking about. 1185 00:39:28,567 --> 00:39:29,565 Talking about. Just a real I would say the 1186 00:39:29,567 --> 00:39:30,633 Just a real I would say the rail trail would be considered. 1187 00:39:30,635 --> 00:39:32,235 rail trail would be considered. That. But not the wooden bridge 1188 00:39:32,237 --> 00:39:34,237 That. But not the wooden bridge or the wooden rail trail. So, I 1189 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,905 or the wooden rail trail. So, I mean, I think it's I'm 1190 00:39:35,907 --> 00:39:37,273 mean, I think it's I'm struggling with that one the 1191 00:39:37,275 --> 00:39:39,041 struggling with that one the other day because I don't think 1192 00:39:39,043 --> 00:39:40,610 other day because I don't think we have set bike paths in 1193 00:39:40,612 --> 00:39:41,811 we have set bike paths in Haverhill, do we? Other than 1194 00:39:41,813 --> 00:39:43,846 Haverhill, do we? Other than the street. And then the other 1195 00:39:43,848 --> 00:39:45,181 the street. And then the other day I was going down the main 1196 00:39:45,183 --> 00:39:47,183 day I was going down the main street and there was a bike 1197 00:39:47,185 --> 00:39:48,518 street and there was a bike coming. Bikes was supposed to 1198 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:49,519 coming. Bikes was supposed to go with traffic. Is that 1199 00:39:49,521 --> 00:39:50,086 go with traffic. Is that correct? 1200 00:39:50,088 --> 00:39:51,321 correct? Bikes are supposed to follow 1201 00:39:51,323 --> 00:39:52,622 Bikes are supposed to follow all rules of the road and 1202 00:39:52,624 --> 00:39:54,190 all rules of the road and supposed to stop at red lights, 1203 00:39:54,192 --> 00:39:56,492 supposed to stop at red lights, stop signs, just like just like 1204 00:39:56,494 --> 00:39:57,093 stop signs, just like just like a car does. 1205 00:39:57,095 --> 00:39:58,327 a car does. Well. So this e-bike was 1206 00:39:58,329 --> 00:39:59,863 Well. So this e-bike was driving against was on our 1207 00:39:59,865 --> 00:40:00,863 driving against was on our side. I'm going this way. It's 1208 00:40:00,865 --> 00:40:01,598 side. I'm going this way. It's coming back this way. 1209 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:02,765 coming back this way. Completely opposite of what 1210 00:40:02,767 --> 00:40:03,566 Completely opposite of what you're supposed to be doing. 1211 00:40:03,568 --> 00:40:05,067 you're supposed to be doing. And then it swerves off to the 1212 00:40:05,069 --> 00:40:06,536 And then it swerves off to the sidewalk, in and out. I didn't 1213 00:40:06,538 --> 00:40:07,470 sidewalk, in and out. I didn't have a helmet. I don't know if 1214 00:40:07,472 --> 00:40:10,406 have a helmet. I don't know if she was 16 or not, but, um, I'd 1215 00:40:10,408 --> 00:40:12,008 she was 16 or not, but, um, I'd struggle with the bike path one 1216 00:40:12,010 --> 00:40:13,409 struggle with the bike path one or the, you know. So. Okay, so 1217 00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:15,612 or the, you know. So. Okay, so I'm not sure I support the 1218 00:40:15,614 --> 00:40:16,813 I'm not sure I support the motion. Thank you. 1219 00:40:16,815 --> 00:40:18,681 motion. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Rogers. I 1220 00:40:18,683 --> 00:40:19,949 Thank you, Councillor Rogers. I don't see any of the lights on, 1221 00:40:19,951 --> 00:40:21,951 don't see any of the lights on, so, um, we have the motion. 1222 00:40:21,953 --> 00:40:24,020 so, um, we have the motion. Well, the initial motion, uh, 1223 00:40:24,022 --> 00:40:26,422 Well, the initial motion, uh, to by Councillor Ferreira to 1224 00:40:26,424 --> 00:40:28,224 to by Councillor Ferreira to allow the class one e-bikes on 1225 00:40:28,226 --> 00:40:30,293 allow the class one e-bikes on paved rail trails, seconded by 1226 00:40:30,295 --> 00:40:31,828 paved rail trails, seconded by Vice President Mitchinson. 1227 00:40:31,830 --> 00:40:32,695 Vice President Mitchinson. Madam clerk, would you please 1228 00:40:32,697 --> 00:40:33,530 Madam clerk, would you please call the roll on that? 1229 00:40:33,532 --> 00:40:35,298 call the roll on that? Vice President Richardson? Yes, 1230 00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:37,033 Vice President Richardson? Yes, councillor. Brasilia. Yes. 1231 00:40:37,035 --> 00:40:38,134 councillor. Brasilia. Yes. Councillor. Diodati? 1232 00:40:38,136 --> 00:40:39,068 Councillor. Diodati? No. Councillor. 1233 00:40:39,070 --> 00:40:40,570 No. Councillor. Sullivan. No. Councillor. 1234 00:40:40,572 --> 00:40:41,137 Sullivan. No. Councillor. Ferreira. 1235 00:40:41,139 --> 00:40:41,871 Ferreira. Yes. 1236 00:40:41,873 --> 00:40:43,506 Yes. Councillor. Toohey. No. 1237 00:40:43,508 --> 00:40:44,441 Councillor. Toohey. No. Councillor McGonigle. 1238 00:40:44,443 --> 00:40:45,108 Councillor McGonigle. No. 1239 00:40:45,110 --> 00:40:46,543 No. Councillor LePage. 1240 00:40:46,545 --> 00:40:47,110 Councillor LePage. No. 1241 00:40:47,112 --> 00:40:49,112 No. Councillor. Rogers. No. And 1242 00:40:49,114 --> 00:40:49,946 Councillor. Rogers. No. And President Jordan. 1243 00:40:49,948 --> 00:40:52,048 President Jordan. No. 1244 00:40:52,050 --> 00:40:54,684 No. Threes nine. I don't like. 1245 00:40:54,686 --> 00:40:55,051 Threes nine. I don't like. Math. 1246 00:40:55,053 --> 00:40:55,552 Math. Seven. 1247 00:40:55,554 --> 00:40:58,755 Seven. Seven. Seven. Nays one. Absent. 1248 00:40:58,757 --> 00:41:01,090 Seven. Seven. Nays one. Absent. That fails. Uh, do we have a 1249 00:41:01,092 --> 00:41:03,193 That fails. Uh, do we have a motion for the ordinance? 1250 00:41:03,195 --> 00:41:04,994 motion for the ordinance? So moved. Second. 1251 00:41:04,996 --> 00:41:06,196 So moved. Second. I missed. Who did the first 1252 00:41:06,198 --> 00:41:06,930 I missed. Who did the first one? Sorry. 1253 00:41:06,932 --> 00:41:08,565 one? Sorry. Uh, Councillor Sullivan. 1254 00:41:08,567 --> 00:41:09,299 Uh, Councillor Sullivan. Sullivan. 1255 00:41:09,301 --> 00:41:12,668 Sullivan. And the second was Joey Toohey. 1256 00:41:12,670 --> 00:41:13,870 And the second was Joey Toohey. Madam clerk, please call the 1257 00:41:13,872 --> 00:41:14,103 Madam clerk, please call the roll. 1258 00:41:14,105 --> 00:41:15,371 roll. Vice president. Mitchinson. 1259 00:41:15,373 --> 00:41:17,006 Vice president. Mitchinson. Yes. Councillor. Basler. Yes. 1260 00:41:17,008 --> 00:41:18,174 Yes. Councillor. Basler. Yes. Councillor. Diodati. Yes. 1261 00:41:18,176 --> 00:41:19,342 Councillor. Diodati. Yes. Councillor. Sullivan. Yes. 1262 00:41:19,344 --> 00:41:20,443 Councillor. Sullivan. Yes. Councillor. Ferreira. Yes. 1263 00:41:20,445 --> 00:41:21,744 Councillor. Ferreira. Yes. Councillor. Toohey. Yes. 1264 00:41:21,746 --> 00:41:22,745 Councillor. Toohey. Yes. Councillor McGonagall. Yes. 1265 00:41:22,747 --> 00:41:23,947 Councillor McGonagall. Yes. Councillor LePage. Yes. 1266 00:41:23,949 --> 00:41:25,648 Councillor LePage. Yes. Councillor Rogers and President 1267 00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:27,417 Councillor Rogers and President Jordan. Yes. And yeas and nays. 1268 00:41:27,419 --> 00:41:28,017 Jordan. Yes. And yeas and nays. One. 1269 00:41:28,019 --> 00:41:30,486 One. Absent that passes. Uh, Madam 1270 00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:31,921 Absent that passes. Uh, Madam Clerk, next item. 1271 00:41:31,923 --> 00:41:33,389 Clerk, next item. Mayor Barrett submits an order 1272 00:41:33,391 --> 00:41:34,891 Mayor Barrett submits an order relating to the water Use 1273 00:41:34,893 --> 00:41:36,626 relating to the water Use Restriction Ordinance, chapter 1274 00:41:36,628 --> 00:41:38,728 Restriction Ordinance, chapter 250, article six of the code of 1275 00:41:38,730 --> 00:41:39,963 250, article six of the code of the City of Haverhill. Order 1276 00:41:39,965 --> 00:41:41,264 the City of Haverhill. Order that the City Council hereby 1277 00:41:41,266 --> 00:41:42,498 that the City Council hereby votes to repeal and replace 1278 00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:44,200 votes to repeal and replace chapter 250, article six of the 1279 00:41:44,202 --> 00:41:45,635 chapter 250, article six of the code of the City of Haverhill, 1280 00:41:45,637 --> 00:41:47,270 code of the City of Haverhill, entitled Water Restriction in 1281 00:41:47,272 --> 00:41:48,505 entitled Water Restriction in its entirety with the following 1282 00:41:48,507 --> 00:41:50,306 its entirety with the following arrives. Revised ordinance 1283 00:41:50,308 --> 00:41:52,241 arrives. Revised ordinance filed on September 23rd of 1284 00:41:52,243 --> 00:41:53,309 filed on September 23rd of 2026. 1285 00:41:53,311 --> 00:41:53,977 2026. Mayor Barrett. 1286 00:41:53,979 --> 00:41:55,044 Mayor Barrett. Thank you, Mr. President. Thank 1287 00:41:55,046 --> 00:41:56,646 Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you. Councillors. Uh, obviously 1288 00:41:56,648 --> 00:41:59,048 you. Councillors. Uh, obviously we are in a critical drought 1289 00:41:59,050 --> 00:42:01,451 we are in a critical drought situation right now. And, um, 1290 00:42:01,453 --> 00:42:03,185 situation right now. And, um, this, uh, change in the 1291 00:42:03,187 --> 00:42:05,388 this, uh, change in the ordinance has been through, um, 1292 00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:07,823 ordinance has been through, um, I think two committees, maybe 1293 00:42:07,825 --> 00:42:10,493 I think two committees, maybe three committee meetings. Um, 1294 00:42:10,495 --> 00:42:12,361 three committee meetings. Um, and, uh, the planning and 1295 00:42:12,363 --> 00:42:13,696 and, uh, the planning and development, I believe, might 1296 00:42:13,698 --> 00:42:16,198 development, I believe, might have had it last. And these are 1297 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,733 have had it last. And these are based, uh, this ordinance is 1298 00:42:17,735 --> 00:42:19,802 based, uh, this ordinance is based on the suggestions of the 1299 00:42:19,804 --> 00:42:20,670 based on the suggestions of the Planning and Development 1300 00:42:20,672 --> 00:42:22,838 Planning and Development Committee. Uh, no, it wasn't 1301 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:23,106 Committee. Uh, no, it wasn't planning. 1302 00:42:23,108 --> 00:42:24,173 planning. Development that was given to 1303 00:42:24,175 --> 00:42:25,441 Development that was given to you, but we didn't agree on it. 1304 00:42:25,443 --> 00:42:25,742 you, but we didn't agree on it. Oh. 1305 00:42:25,744 --> 00:42:26,075 Oh. It was. 1306 00:42:26,077 --> 00:42:28,511 It was. A split vote. I'm sorry. I know 1307 00:42:28,513 --> 00:42:30,913 A split vote. I'm sorry. I know you're correct. Um, there was 1308 00:42:30,915 --> 00:42:33,316 you're correct. Um, there was some disagreement on a few of 1309 00:42:33,318 --> 00:42:35,585 some disagreement on a few of the issues before you. Uh, we 1310 00:42:35,587 --> 00:42:38,220 the issues before you. Uh, we we present this to you, and, 1311 00:42:38,222 --> 00:42:39,989 we present this to you, and, you know, you can hash out 1312 00:42:39,991 --> 00:42:42,158 you know, you can hash out exactly how you want to proceed 1313 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,294 exactly how you want to proceed here. Um, you know, there are 1314 00:42:44,296 --> 00:42:46,128 here. Um, you know, there are aspects of this that are are, 1315 00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:49,098 aspects of this that are are, you know, are clean up, you 1316 00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:50,566 you know, are clean up, you know, what we call critical, 1317 00:42:50,568 --> 00:42:53,035 know, what we call critical, what we call warnings. It gives 1318 00:42:53,037 --> 00:42:57,240 what we call warnings. It gives some, um, color colorization to 1319 00:42:57,242 --> 00:42:59,108 some, um, color colorization to the warnings, which I think are 1320 00:42:59,110 --> 00:43:00,576 the warnings, which I think are good. Um, there are some things 1321 00:43:00,578 --> 00:43:02,678 good. Um, there are some things that I don't know if it's 1322 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,915 that I don't know if it's necessary, um, to pursue. Um, 1323 00:43:05,917 --> 00:43:07,917 necessary, um, to pursue. Um, you know, the, the, the 1324 00:43:07,919 --> 00:43:09,585 you know, the, the, the private. Well, I think would be 1325 00:43:09,587 --> 00:43:11,621 private. Well, I think would be a little hard to enforce, but, 1326 00:43:11,623 --> 00:43:16,059 a little hard to enforce, but, uh, uh, we can acquiesce to 1327 00:43:16,061 --> 00:43:18,861 uh, uh, we can acquiesce to your, uh, judgment there. Um, 1328 00:43:18,863 --> 00:43:21,097 your, uh, judgment there. Um, but Bob Ward is here. Uh, if 1329 00:43:21,099 --> 00:43:22,465 but Bob Ward is here. Uh, if you have any technical 1330 00:43:22,467 --> 00:43:26,435 you have any technical questions regarding this, um, 1331 00:43:26,437 --> 00:43:30,473 questions regarding this, um, and, um, I leave the final 1332 00:43:30,475 --> 00:43:32,475 and, um, I leave the final decisions to you on this, and 1333 00:43:32,477 --> 00:43:33,676 decisions to you on this, and I'm here to weigh in. Also, if 1334 00:43:33,678 --> 00:43:34,277 I'm here to weigh in. Also, if you need me. 1335 00:43:34,279 --> 00:43:36,479 you need me. Thank you. Bob, you have things 1336 00:43:36,481 --> 00:43:37,647 Thank you. Bob, you have things you want to say before 1337 00:43:37,649 --> 00:43:38,615 you want to say before councillors start asking 1338 00:43:38,617 --> 00:43:41,250 councillors start asking questions or.. 1339 00:43:41,252 --> 00:43:43,553 questions or.. Sure. Um, for the record, 1340 00:43:43,555 --> 00:43:45,788 Sure. Um, for the record, Robert Ward, DPW director, 1341 00:43:45,790 --> 00:43:46,989 Robert Ward, DPW director, water Wastewater City, 1342 00:43:46,991 --> 00:43:50,760 water Wastewater City, Haverhill. Um, I can kind of 1343 00:43:50,762 --> 00:43:53,629 Haverhill. Um, I can kind of quickly summarize the the major 1344 00:43:53,631 --> 00:43:55,131 quickly summarize the the major changes. I'll try to do it 1345 00:43:55,133 --> 00:43:55,598 changes. I'll try to do it quickly. 1346 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:56,332 quickly. Thank you. 1347 00:43:56,334 --> 00:43:58,101 Thank you. I can't promise anything on 1348 00:43:58,103 --> 00:43:58,801 I can't promise anything on that. 1349 00:43:58,803 --> 00:44:00,670 that. One. 1350 00:44:00,672 --> 00:44:02,204 One. So as the mayor said, some of 1351 00:44:02,206 --> 00:44:03,706 So as the mayor said, some of these, uh, or at least a couple 1352 00:44:03,708 --> 00:44:05,441 these, uh, or at least a couple of them are recommendations 1353 00:44:05,443 --> 00:44:07,009 of them are recommendations that came out of the Planning 1354 00:44:07,011 --> 00:44:08,244 that came out of the Planning and Development Committee 1355 00:44:08,246 --> 00:44:10,079 and Development Committee meeting that we had some time 1356 00:44:10,081 --> 00:44:13,649 meeting that we had some time back. Um, so just going through 1357 00:44:13,651 --> 00:44:15,985 back. Um, so just going through quickly, um, there's a couple 1358 00:44:15,987 --> 00:44:17,853 quickly, um, there's a couple of those recommendations. 1359 00:44:17,855 --> 00:44:18,854 of those recommendations. There's also the mayor 1360 00:44:18,856 --> 00:44:20,122 There's also the mayor mentioned some things, sort of 1361 00:44:20,124 --> 00:44:22,458 mentioned some things, sort of like clean up items, and those 1362 00:44:22,460 --> 00:44:26,095 like clean up items, and those are, um, items that we work 1363 00:44:26,097 --> 00:44:27,296 are, um, items that we work with. The City Solicitor's 1364 00:44:27,298 --> 00:44:29,799 with. The City Solicitor's office to. Some of it is to 1365 00:44:29,801 --> 00:44:31,667 office to. Some of it is to more closely align our 1366 00:44:31,669 --> 00:44:34,470 more closely align our ordinance with the state 1367 00:44:34,472 --> 00:44:36,105 ordinance with the state regulations as well as our 1368 00:44:36,107 --> 00:44:38,808 regulations as well as our Water Management Act permit. So, 1369 00:44:38,810 --> 00:44:43,813 Water Management Act permit. So, um, in particular, the, uh, the 1370 00:44:43,815 --> 00:44:46,549 um, in particular, the, uh, the drought triggers and the, uh, 1371 00:44:46,551 --> 00:44:48,951 drought triggers and the, uh, action levels, they're actually 1372 00:44:48,953 --> 00:44:51,987 action levels, they're actually a little bit tightened up. Um, 1373 00:44:51,989 --> 00:44:53,890 a little bit tightened up. Um, they align more with the 1374 00:44:53,892 --> 00:44:56,092 they align more with the state's level one, two, three, 1375 00:44:56,094 --> 00:44:57,693 state's level one, two, three, four. We changed our names a 1376 00:44:57,695 --> 00:44:59,896 four. We changed our names a little bit. Um, but it's still 1377 00:44:59,898 --> 00:45:02,165 little bit. Um, but it's still the same number of levels. The 1378 00:45:02,167 --> 00:45:05,735 the same number of levels. The 10%, 35%, and so on are the 1379 00:45:05,737 --> 00:45:08,304 10%, 35%, and so on are the same actual lake levels. We 1380 00:45:08,306 --> 00:45:10,573 same actual lake levels. We just changed the names to align 1381 00:45:10,575 --> 00:45:12,775 just changed the names to align with the state. Um, a few, some 1382 00:45:12,777 --> 00:45:14,777 with the state. Um, a few, some of the trigger levels. We, we 1383 00:45:14,779 --> 00:45:17,646 of the trigger levels. We, we tighten them up a little bit. 1384 00:45:17,648 --> 00:45:20,316 tighten them up a little bit. They're a little more defined. 1385 00:45:20,318 --> 00:45:22,952 They're a little more defined. Um, and one in particular, I 1386 00:45:22,954 --> 00:45:26,321 Um, and one in particular, I want to say it's the I don't 1387 00:45:26,323 --> 00:45:27,723 want to say it's the I don't want us to tell you 1388 00:45:27,725 --> 00:45:29,358 want us to tell you incorrectly. So I'll take a 1389 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,129 incorrectly. So I'll take a look. I think it's level two. 1390 00:45:33,131 --> 00:45:35,264 look. I think it's level two. Uh, for example, level two, I 1391 00:45:35,266 --> 00:45:37,466 Uh, for example, level two, I think in the current ordinance, 1392 00:45:37,468 --> 00:45:39,802 think in the current ordinance, might is a little looser. It's 1393 00:45:39,804 --> 00:45:42,472 might is a little looser. It's it might even be voluntary type 1394 00:45:42,474 --> 00:45:44,874 it might even be voluntary type conservation, whereas the new 1395 00:45:44,876 --> 00:45:47,276 conservation, whereas the new one, uh, it's it's a little bit 1396 00:45:47,278 --> 00:45:49,078 one, uh, it's it's a little bit more restrictive. And that's at 1397 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,980 more restrictive. And that's at the 20% reduction in the lake 1398 00:45:50,982 --> 00:45:53,015 the 20% reduction in the lake level. So some things like 1399 00:45:53,017 --> 00:45:55,117 level. So some things like that, it's a little better. 1400 00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:57,286 that, it's a little better. It's a little better defined 1401 00:45:57,288 --> 00:46:00,489 It's a little better defined too. And like I said, that 1402 00:46:00,491 --> 00:46:02,291 too. And like I said, that comes out of matching up with 1403 00:46:02,293 --> 00:46:09,965 comes out of matching up with the state regulations. 1404 00:46:09,967 --> 00:46:12,368 the state regulations. Clarified authority and 1405 00:46:12,370 --> 00:46:15,971 Clarified authority and applicability. This is where 1406 00:46:15,973 --> 00:46:19,241 applicability. This is where the mayor mentioned private 1407 00:46:19,243 --> 00:46:21,811 the mayor mentioned private wells. So this if you look in 1408 00:46:21,813 --> 00:46:24,580 wells. So this if you look in the applicability section, this 1409 00:46:24,582 --> 00:46:27,149 the applicability section, this ordinance would apply to 1410 00:46:27,151 --> 00:46:31,053 ordinance would apply to private wells as well as, uh, 1411 00:46:31,055 --> 00:46:33,823 private wells as well as, uh, public water system customers. 1412 00:46:33,825 --> 00:46:36,125 public water system customers. So that covers all of them. It 1413 00:46:36,127 --> 00:46:39,528 So that covers all of them. It wasn't my recommendation, but 1414 00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:42,298 wasn't my recommendation, but um, so that's what that's all. 1415 00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:43,866 um, so that's what that's all. About. That's what. 1416 00:46:43,868 --> 00:46:44,734 About. That's what. You said. You said that's not. 1417 00:46:44,736 --> 00:46:45,735 You said. You said that's not. Your recommendation. 1418 00:46:45,737 --> 00:46:46,536 Your recommendation. Yeah. 1419 00:46:46,538 --> 00:46:48,370 Yeah. That came from that was a 1420 00:46:48,372 --> 00:46:49,371 That came from that was a recommendation with the 1421 00:46:49,373 --> 00:46:50,272 recommendation with the Planning and Development 1422 00:46:50,274 --> 00:46:51,707 Planning and Development Committee, not the committee, 1423 00:46:51,709 --> 00:46:53,009 Committee, not the committee, but some individuals. 1424 00:46:53,011 --> 00:46:53,509 but some individuals. Not me. 1425 00:46:53,511 --> 00:46:54,177 Not me. It was mine. 1426 00:46:54,179 --> 00:46:54,476 It was mine. I think. 1427 00:46:54,478 --> 00:46:55,077 I think. It was one of. 1428 00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:56,012 It was one of. Those districts. Certainly 1429 00:46:56,014 --> 00:46:56,612 Those districts. Certainly won't be made. 1430 00:46:56,614 --> 00:46:57,713 won't be made. It was one of those. 1431 00:46:57,715 --> 00:46:58,881 It was one of those. District council. 1432 00:46:58,883 --> 00:47:00,483 District council. Agreed upon items. 1433 00:47:00,485 --> 00:47:02,518 Agreed upon items. So go back. to Mr.. 1434 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,088 So go back. to Mr.. Ward, back to this. So there's 1435 00:47:06,090 --> 00:47:08,524 Ward, back to this. So there's a definition or two that we're 1436 00:47:08,526 --> 00:47:11,227 a definition or two that we're updated. Uh, it says expanded 1437 00:47:11,229 --> 00:47:12,829 updated. Uh, it says expanded exemptions. That's a little 1438 00:47:12,831 --> 00:47:15,764 exemptions. That's a little misleading. So we already had 1439 00:47:15,766 --> 00:47:17,900 misleading. So we already had exemptions in the current ah 1440 00:47:17,902 --> 00:47:19,168 exemptions in the current ah have exemptions. And the 1441 00:47:19,170 --> 00:47:22,238 have exemptions. And the current ordinance, the 1442 00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:26,175 current ordinance, the exemptions listed here are I 1443 00:47:26,177 --> 00:47:27,643 exemptions listed here are I think it's a little better 1444 00:47:27,645 --> 00:47:29,211 think it's a little better defined. It's very similar. 1445 00:47:29,213 --> 00:47:30,813 defined. It's very similar. It's pretty much the same as 1446 00:47:30,815 --> 00:47:32,448 It's pretty much the same as what we had. But it's a little 1447 00:47:32,450 --> 00:47:34,850 what we had. But it's a little better spelled out here in this 1448 00:47:34,852 --> 00:47:37,453 better spelled out here in this ordinance. Uh, for example, you 1449 00:47:37,455 --> 00:47:39,521 ordinance. Uh, for example, you have the businesses where the 1450 00:47:39,523 --> 00:47:41,357 have the businesses where the water outdoor water use is 1451 00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:42,992 water outdoor water use is really core to their business. 1452 00:47:42,994 --> 00:47:44,860 really core to their business. So that's still an exemption. 1453 00:47:44,862 --> 00:47:46,695 So that's still an exemption. Those types of things, uh, 1454 00:47:46,697 --> 00:47:49,465 Those types of things, uh, livestock, agriculture, things 1455 00:47:49,467 --> 00:47:50,966 livestock, agriculture, things like that. So those are all 1456 00:47:50,968 --> 00:47:53,536 like that. So those are all still there? I think it's a 1457 00:47:53,538 --> 00:47:55,671 still there? I think it's a little better defined and that 1458 00:47:55,673 --> 00:47:57,473 little better defined and that it's modeled after the the 1459 00:47:57,475 --> 00:48:02,011 it's modeled after the the state regulation language. It's 1460 00:48:02,013 --> 00:48:04,413 state regulation language. It's a little bit on the automatic 1461 00:48:04,415 --> 00:48:05,847 a little bit on the automatic irrigation systems, a little 1462 00:48:05,849 --> 00:48:10,185 irrigation systems, a little bit of cleanup. There. We 1463 00:48:10,187 --> 00:48:12,187 bit of cleanup. There. We added, uh, there is an add 1464 00:48:12,189 --> 00:48:14,757 added, uh, there is an add regarding irrigation system 1465 00:48:14,759 --> 00:48:18,360 regarding irrigation system requirements and it's to it 1466 00:48:18,362 --> 00:48:21,430 requirements and it's to it requires on lawn, automatic 1467 00:48:21,432 --> 00:48:23,165 requires on lawn, automatic lawn irrigation systems. It 1468 00:48:23,167 --> 00:48:25,301 lawn irrigation systems. It requires soil moisture sensors, 1469 00:48:25,303 --> 00:48:28,837 requires soil moisture sensors, rain sensors and flow sensors. 1470 00:48:28,839 --> 00:48:32,741 rain sensors and flow sensors. And that's on newly installed 1471 00:48:32,743 --> 00:48:34,777 And that's on newly installed systems, as well as systems 1472 00:48:34,779 --> 00:48:36,045 systems, as well as systems that are being going to be 1473 00:48:36,047 --> 00:48:38,914 that are being going to be repaired. We actually do get 1474 00:48:38,916 --> 00:48:40,916 repaired. We actually do get applications for abatements at 1475 00:48:40,918 --> 00:48:42,384 applications for abatements at the water wastewater abatement 1476 00:48:42,386 --> 00:48:44,787 the water wastewater abatement board for leaks and irrigation 1477 00:48:44,789 --> 00:48:48,257 board for leaks and irrigation systems. So I think. To have a 1478 00:48:48,259 --> 00:48:50,759 systems. So I think. To have a flow sensor on those systems, I 1479 00:48:50,761 --> 00:48:52,127 flow sensor on those systems, I think is very important because 1480 00:48:52,129 --> 00:48:53,762 think is very important because when they leak to a lot of 1481 00:48:53,764 --> 00:48:56,098 when they leak to a lot of water. So the other thing we 1482 00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:57,599 water. So the other thing we would probably end up doing is 1483 00:48:57,601 --> 00:49:00,869 would probably end up doing is we would we would make an 1484 00:49:00,871 --> 00:49:02,371 we would we would make an abatement if the abatement 1485 00:49:02,373 --> 00:49:03,572 abatement if the abatement board was going to abate. 1486 00:49:03,574 --> 00:49:04,973 board was going to abate. Somebody that had a leak in the 1487 00:49:04,975 --> 00:49:06,475 Somebody that had a leak in the irrigation system to make the 1488 00:49:06,477 --> 00:49:08,077 irrigation system to make the abatement contingent upon 1489 00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:11,313 abatement contingent upon installing all this stuff. So 1490 00:49:11,315 --> 00:49:15,417 installing all this stuff. So I, I kind of like that new 1491 00:49:15,419 --> 00:49:20,690 I, I kind of like that new section. New baseline, seasonal 1492 00:49:20,692 --> 00:49:23,225 section. New baseline, seasonal conservation standards. So that 1493 00:49:23,227 --> 00:49:25,494 conservation standards. So that establishes a seasonal outdoor 1494 00:49:25,496 --> 00:49:29,565 establishes a seasonal outdoor water use limitations 1495 00:49:29,567 --> 00:49:30,066 water use limitations From. 1496 00:49:30,068 --> 00:49:30,933 From. May 15th. 1497 00:49:30,935 --> 00:49:35,104 May 15th. Through September 30th, and 1498 00:49:35,106 --> 00:49:40,376 Through September 30th, and that's section 2250 25. And it 1499 00:49:40,378 --> 00:49:43,045 that's section 2250 25. And it says from May 15th through 1500 00:49:43,047 --> 00:49:45,180 says from May 15th through September 30th. Non-essential 1501 00:49:45,182 --> 00:49:46,849 September 30th. Non-essential outdoor water use shall be 1502 00:49:46,851 --> 00:49:48,851 outdoor water use shall be limited to before 9 a.m. and 1503 00:49:48,853 --> 00:49:50,987 limited to before 9 a.m. and after 5 p.m., unless otherwise 1504 00:49:50,989 --> 00:49:53,789 after 5 p.m., unless otherwise modified by the city. And a 1505 00:49:53,791 --> 00:49:55,090 modified by the city. And a further says the city may 1506 00:49:55,092 --> 00:49:57,459 further says the city may further restrict such use in 1507 00:49:57,461 --> 00:50:00,730 further restrict such use in accordance with 250, 25.1 and 1508 00:50:00,732 --> 00:50:04,333 accordance with 250, 25.1 and 250 25.2, which those are just 1509 00:50:04,335 --> 00:50:06,535 250 25.2, which those are just those typical action and 1510 00:50:06,537 --> 00:50:07,903 those typical action and trigger levels that I just 1511 00:50:07,905 --> 00:50:10,472 trigger levels that I just talked about a minute ago. So 1512 00:50:10,474 --> 00:50:16,979 talked about a minute ago. So that's a new one. A revised 1513 00:50:16,981 --> 00:50:19,015 that's a new one. A revised drought trigger levels and 1514 00:50:19,017 --> 00:50:20,949 drought trigger levels and response actions. We we talked 1515 00:50:20,951 --> 00:50:25,220 response actions. We we talked about that already. Suspension 1516 00:50:25,222 --> 00:50:28,824 about that already. Suspension of deduct meter credits. So 1517 00:50:28,826 --> 00:50:31,226 of deduct meter credits. So right now the people with 1518 00:50:31,228 --> 00:50:33,262 right now the people with irrigation systems can have a 1519 00:50:33,264 --> 00:50:37,699 irrigation systems can have a deduct meter. And basically any 1520 00:50:37,701 --> 00:50:39,268 deduct meter. And basically any water goes through the water 1521 00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:41,403 water goes through the water meter goes out to the lawn, 1522 00:50:41,405 --> 00:50:43,138 meter goes out to the lawn, goes through the deduct meter. 1523 00:50:43,140 --> 00:50:44,507 goes through the deduct meter. And whatever water goes through 1524 00:50:44,509 --> 00:50:45,908 And whatever water goes through that deduct meter, they get a 1525 00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:47,443 that deduct meter, they get a credit off their wastewater 1526 00:50:47,445 --> 00:50:51,847 credit off their wastewater bill. So this says under a 1527 00:50:51,849 --> 00:50:53,449 bill. So this says under a level three or a level four 1528 00:50:53,451 --> 00:50:56,118 level three or a level four drought condition, which you're 1529 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,152 drought condition, which you're not supposed to be using your 1530 00:50:57,154 --> 00:51:00,856 not supposed to be using your irrigation systems anyway. It 1531 00:51:00,858 --> 00:51:04,359 irrigation systems anyway. It says that they will not. Their 1532 00:51:04,361 --> 00:51:05,561 says that they will not. Their deduct credits will be 1533 00:51:05,563 --> 00:51:07,429 deduct credits will be suspended during that the 1534 00:51:07,431 --> 00:51:09,398 suspended during that the period when during a level 1535 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,999 period when during a level three and a level four drought 1536 00:51:11,001 --> 00:51:14,503 three and a level four drought condition. So it sort of I 1537 00:51:14,505 --> 00:51:17,673 condition. So it sort of I think gets a bad word, but it 1538 00:51:17,675 --> 00:51:19,475 think gets a bad word, but it we do have people this summer 1539 00:51:19,477 --> 00:51:20,909 we do have people this summer that we're running the 1540 00:51:20,911 --> 00:51:22,812 that we're running the irrigation systems and those 1541 00:51:22,814 --> 00:51:24,346 irrigation systems and those credits are on the deduct 1542 00:51:24,348 --> 00:51:25,948 credits are on the deduct meters. And this will allow us 1543 00:51:25,950 --> 00:51:28,817 meters. And this will allow us a mechanism to not give them a 1544 00:51:28,819 --> 00:51:31,153 a mechanism to not give them a deduct on, on that water used 1545 00:51:31,155 --> 00:51:35,357 deduct on, on that water used on their lawns. So and then 1546 00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:36,825 on their lawns. So and then this is strengthened 1547 00:51:36,827 --> 00:51:38,560 this is strengthened enforcement provisions. That's 1548 00:51:38,562 --> 00:51:41,764 enforcement provisions. That's basically um increasing the 1549 00:51:41,766 --> 00:51:44,834 basically um increasing the fines. So the fines are now 1550 00:51:44,836 --> 00:51:49,104 fines. So the fines are now there are 5100. And I don't 1551 00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:52,174 there are 5100. And I don't know if it's 150 or 200. The 1552 00:51:52,176 --> 00:51:56,645 know if it's 150 or 200. The new ones are 100, 203 hundred. 1553 00:51:56,647 --> 00:51:58,914 new ones are 100, 203 hundred. Uh, there's also a warning. And 1554 00:51:58,916 --> 00:52:04,153 Uh, there's also a warning. And what we did this year, we we. 1555 00:52:04,155 --> 00:52:07,222 what we did this year, we we. We worked into this outdoor 1556 00:52:07,224 --> 00:52:09,892 We worked into this outdoor water use restriction very 1557 00:52:09,894 --> 00:52:12,461 water use restriction very slowly. We we tried to get word 1558 00:52:12,463 --> 00:52:14,963 slowly. We we tried to get word out through a lot of different 1559 00:52:14,965 --> 00:52:17,399 out through a lot of different means media, all that stuff. So 1560 00:52:17,401 --> 00:52:18,700 means media, all that stuff. So we tried to get the word out. 1561 00:52:18,702 --> 00:52:20,869 we tried to get the word out. We tried to ease people into 1562 00:52:20,871 --> 00:52:23,238 We tried to ease people into it. We gave a lot of warnings. 1563 00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:27,209 it. We gave a lot of warnings. Um, and then we started to find 1564 00:52:27,211 --> 00:52:32,314 Um, and then we started to find so I think people this was one 1565 00:52:32,316 --> 00:52:35,117 so I think people this was one of the disagreement items at 1566 00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:36,985 of the disagreement items at one of the committee meetings. 1567 00:52:36,987 --> 00:52:43,825 one of the committee meetings. Um. I guess I'll leave it at 1568 00:52:43,827 --> 00:52:46,862 Um. I guess I'll leave it at that, that we, we we do we do 1569 00:52:46,864 --> 00:52:48,364 that, that we, we we do we do give out a lot of warnings. We 1570 00:52:48,366 --> 00:52:50,866 give out a lot of warnings. We do try very hard to get the 1571 00:52:50,868 --> 00:52:53,035 do try very hard to get the word out to people. We send 1572 00:52:53,037 --> 00:52:56,038 word out to people. We send letters, we send emails. A lot 1573 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,639 letters, we send emails. A lot of notifications, a lot of 1574 00:52:57,641 --> 00:52:59,842 of notifications, a lot of travel called public education, 1575 00:52:59,844 --> 00:53:01,410 travel called public education, social media, all that stuff. 1576 00:53:01,412 --> 00:53:03,145 social media, all that stuff. So, uh, when you think about 1577 00:53:03,147 --> 00:53:05,681 So, uh, when you think about fines, you know, that that also 1578 00:53:05,683 --> 00:53:08,350 fines, you know, that that also factors into that fining and 1579 00:53:08,352 --> 00:53:10,052 factors into that fining and penalty process as well. 1580 00:53:10,054 --> 00:53:12,154 penalty process as well. So. 1581 00:53:12,156 --> 00:53:14,323 So. And I think that about sums it 1582 00:53:14,325 --> 00:53:14,723 And I think that about sums it up. 1583 00:53:14,725 --> 00:53:16,258 up. Thank you very much, Councillor 1584 00:53:16,260 --> 00:53:16,692 Thank you very much, Councillor Sullivan. 1585 00:53:16,694 --> 00:53:17,693 Sullivan. Thank you, Mr. President. I 1586 00:53:17,695 --> 00:53:18,860 Thank you, Mr. President. I want to get right to it. I 1587 00:53:18,862 --> 00:53:20,062 want to get right to it. I would like to make a motion 1588 00:53:20,064 --> 00:53:21,997 would like to make a motion that we exclude private wells 1589 00:53:21,999 --> 00:53:23,398 that we exclude private wells from within the city limits. 1590 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,135 from within the city limits. And here's why. Um, mayor 1591 00:53:26,137 --> 00:53:27,302 And here's why. Um, mayor mentioned it. Bob mentioned it. 1592 00:53:27,304 --> 00:53:28,937 mentioned it. Bob mentioned it. We we have no power to enforce 1593 00:53:28,939 --> 00:53:30,539 We we have no power to enforce that. There are no meters at 1594 00:53:30,541 --> 00:53:32,107 that. There are no meters at these homes. How are we really 1595 00:53:32,109 --> 00:53:33,675 these homes. How are we really going to regulate that? Winter 1596 00:53:33,677 --> 00:53:35,077 going to regulate that? Winter is coming. I don't think any 1597 00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:36,111 is coming. I don't think any private well, users are going 1598 00:53:36,113 --> 00:53:37,579 private well, users are going to be doing any irrigation over 1599 00:53:37,581 --> 00:53:39,615 to be doing any irrigation over the winter. Hopefully by spring 1600 00:53:39,617 --> 00:53:40,816 the winter. Hopefully by spring we'll be in a better spot 1601 00:53:40,818 --> 00:53:42,017 we'll be in a better spot where, you know, we won't have 1602 00:53:42,019 --> 00:53:45,354 where, you know, we won't have to do this. But I just think, 1603 00:53:45,356 --> 00:53:47,189 to do this. But I just think, quite frankly, it's government 1604 00:53:47,191 --> 00:53:48,824 quite frankly, it's government overreach. Uh, we have no 1605 00:53:48,826 --> 00:53:50,359 overreach. Uh, we have no authority to do this if they're 1606 00:53:50,361 --> 00:53:51,460 authority to do this if they're not paying for this service 1607 00:53:51,462 --> 00:53:53,562 not paying for this service from us, then it's none of our 1608 00:53:53,564 --> 00:53:55,697 from us, then it's none of our business. Like, uh, Adam, a 1609 00:53:55,699 --> 00:53:57,299 business. Like, uh, Adam, a constituent, wrote today. Is he 1610 00:53:57,301 --> 00:53:57,499 constituent, wrote today. Is he here? 1611 00:53:57,501 --> 00:53:58,033 here? Satara is. 1612 00:53:58,035 --> 00:53:58,567 Satara is. In the room. 1613 00:53:58,569 --> 00:54:01,236 In the room. Right there. Smart man. Said it 1614 00:54:01,238 --> 00:54:02,537 Right there. Smart man. Said it all. He said, don't you think 1615 00:54:02,539 --> 00:54:04,039 all. He said, don't you think we're already concerned that 1616 00:54:04,041 --> 00:54:06,174 we're already concerned that our wells could run dry? Uh, 1617 00:54:06,176 --> 00:54:07,509 our wells could run dry? Uh, we're, you know, we have the 1618 00:54:07,511 --> 00:54:08,310 we're, you know, we have the same. They have the same 1619 00:54:08,312 --> 00:54:10,779 same. They have the same problem we do. Except they 1620 00:54:10,781 --> 00:54:11,914 problem we do. Except they don't have the city to back 1621 00:54:11,916 --> 00:54:13,782 don't have the city to back them up. So if they have a 1622 00:54:13,784 --> 00:54:15,183 them up. So if they have a problem, they have to dig 1623 00:54:15,185 --> 00:54:16,719 problem, they have to dig deeper. So it's going to cost 1624 00:54:16,721 --> 00:54:19,921 deeper. So it's going to cost you money. So I mean, smart 1625 00:54:19,923 --> 00:54:22,024 you money. So I mean, smart homeowners are going to do as 1626 00:54:22,026 --> 00:54:23,892 homeowners are going to do as much conservation on their own 1627 00:54:23,894 --> 00:54:26,128 much conservation on their own as they can because they don't 1628 00:54:26,130 --> 00:54:27,663 as they can because they don't want to make the problem worse 1629 00:54:27,665 --> 00:54:29,498 want to make the problem worse for themselves or for the city 1630 00:54:29,500 --> 00:54:30,732 for themselves or for the city as a whole. So for those 1631 00:54:30,734 --> 00:54:32,467 as a whole. So for those reasons, government overreach 1632 00:54:32,469 --> 00:54:34,203 reasons, government overreach can't really enforce it. I 1633 00:54:34,205 --> 00:54:35,937 can't really enforce it. I think it's, um, it's not a good 1634 00:54:35,939 --> 00:54:37,406 think it's, um, it's not a good idea to keep them included. I 1635 00:54:37,408 --> 00:54:38,874 idea to keep them included. I made a motion and. 1636 00:54:38,876 --> 00:54:40,676 made a motion and. A second did it. 1637 00:54:40,678 --> 00:54:41,010 A second did it. Okay. 1638 00:54:41,012 --> 00:54:42,544 Okay. Lots of people want to jump in 1639 00:54:42,546 --> 00:54:43,679 Lots of people want to jump in on that one, but I had Diodati 1640 00:54:43,681 --> 00:54:44,380 on that one, but I had Diodati first, so there. 1641 00:54:44,382 --> 00:54:45,347 first, so there. We go. 1642 00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:46,548 We go. Thank you. I'll set Councillor 1643 00:54:46,550 --> 00:54:46,949 Thank you. I'll set Councillor Sullivan. 1644 00:54:46,951 --> 00:54:47,283 Sullivan. Yes. 1645 00:54:47,285 --> 00:54:48,951 Yes. Thank you, councillor basileus. 1646 00:54:48,953 --> 00:54:51,487 Thank you, councillor basileus. Next. Um, Mr.. 1647 00:54:51,489 --> 00:54:53,289 Next. Um, Mr.. Ward, am I correct to 1648 00:54:53,291 --> 00:54:55,824 Ward, am I correct to understand that, um, a 1649 00:54:55,826 --> 00:54:58,093 understand that, um, a residence, a home that is on a 1650 00:54:58,095 --> 00:54:59,928 residence, a home that is on a lot, that requires their own. 1651 00:54:59,930 --> 00:55:02,631 lot, that requires their own. Well, in their own septic, that 1652 00:55:02,633 --> 00:55:04,566 Well, in their own septic, that that person is in fact the 1653 00:55:04,568 --> 00:55:06,501 that person is in fact the water they're using is in fact 1654 00:55:06,503 --> 00:55:08,237 water they're using is in fact being recharged to the 1655 00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,506 being recharged to the groundwater. Is that correct? 1656 00:55:10,508 --> 00:55:12,507 groundwater. Is that correct? If they have. Yeah. Private. 1657 00:55:12,509 --> 00:55:12,774 If they have. Yeah. Private. Well. 1658 00:55:12,776 --> 00:55:13,942 Well. They have a private well and 1659 00:55:13,944 --> 00:55:16,745 They have a private well and septic combination. Okay. And 1660 00:55:16,747 --> 00:55:17,913 septic combination. Okay. And that wouldn't be the case that 1661 00:55:17,915 --> 00:55:19,982 that wouldn't be the case that they were on, um, a private. 1662 00:55:19,984 --> 00:55:22,251 they were on, um, a private. Wells or a and had sewer. Then 1663 00:55:22,253 --> 00:55:24,453 Wells or a and had sewer. Then it's, it goes to the for the 1664 00:55:24,455 --> 00:55:25,721 it's, it goes to the for the people who have that 1665 00:55:25,723 --> 00:55:27,323 people who have that circumstance. Correct. They're 1666 00:55:27,325 --> 00:55:28,991 circumstance. Correct. They're paying for sewage service. 1667 00:55:28,993 --> 00:55:29,658 paying for sewage service. From us. That's right. 1668 00:55:29,660 --> 00:55:31,560 From us. That's right. Okay. All right. Um, that 1669 00:55:31,562 --> 00:55:33,062 Okay. All right. Um, that that's that's the technical 1670 00:55:33,064 --> 00:55:34,530 that's that's the technical question that I had. Thank you 1671 00:55:34,532 --> 00:55:34,830 question that I had. Thank you sir. 1672 00:55:34,832 --> 00:55:35,530 sir. Thank you. Councillor 1673 00:55:35,532 --> 00:55:37,666 Thank you. Councillor Batchelor. Councillor Rogers. 1674 00:55:37,668 --> 00:55:38,100 Batchelor. Councillor Rogers. Uh. 1675 00:55:38,102 --> 00:55:39,534 Uh. I have a few things. Uh, one of 1676 00:55:39,536 --> 00:55:40,736 I have a few things. Uh, one of them is the private wells. I'm 1677 00:55:40,738 --> 00:55:42,271 them is the private wells. I'm not interested in putting that 1678 00:55:42,273 --> 00:55:43,872 not interested in putting that in. Um, the other one. I have a 1679 00:55:43,874 --> 00:55:46,375 in. Um, the other one. I have a couple here. Um, it says on, 1680 00:55:46,377 --> 00:55:51,046 couple here. Um, it says on, um, uh, 252 for the, um, all 1681 00:55:51,048 --> 00:55:53,014 um, uh, 252 for the, um, all ground. Your irrigation systems 1682 00:55:53,016 --> 00:55:54,683 ground. Your irrigation systems should be plumbed. So that shut 1683 00:55:54,685 --> 00:55:56,351 should be plumbed. So that shut off valve is located outside 1684 00:55:56,353 --> 00:55:57,586 off valve is located outside the building and situated, so 1685 00:55:57,588 --> 00:55:59,421 the building and situated, so it may be shut off if found to 1686 00:55:59,423 --> 00:56:00,823 it may be shut off if found to be in violation of ordinance. 1687 00:56:00,825 --> 00:56:02,023 be in violation of ordinance. For this purpose of this 1688 00:56:02,025 --> 00:56:04,159 For this purpose of this section, police officers, city 1689 00:56:04,161 --> 00:56:05,594 section, police officers, city or agents of the Board of Water 1690 00:56:05,596 --> 00:56:06,562 or agents of the Board of Water Commissioners may enter a 1691 00:56:06,564 --> 00:56:07,696 Commissioners may enter a property to just go on a 1692 00:56:07,698 --> 00:56:09,098 property to just go on a property and just shut it off. 1693 00:56:09,100 --> 00:56:10,565 property and just shut it off. Well, I mean, I don't agree 1694 00:56:10,567 --> 00:56:11,767 Well, I mean, I don't agree with that. I mean, I just don't 1695 00:56:11,769 --> 00:56:12,634 with that. I mean, I just don't even know if we have the right 1696 00:56:12,636 --> 00:56:13,435 even know if we have the right to go on and just shut 1697 00:56:13,437 --> 00:56:14,669 to go on and just shut somebody's water off at their 1698 00:56:14,671 --> 00:56:17,639 somebody's water off at their house. That's that's one the 1699 00:56:17,641 --> 00:56:19,241 house. That's that's one the other thing I have is baseline 1700 00:56:19,243 --> 00:56:21,443 other thing I have is baseline seasonal conservation. That's 1701 00:56:21,445 --> 00:56:22,711 seasonal conservation. That's when we have no problems. Is 1702 00:56:22,713 --> 00:56:24,046 when we have no problems. Is that correct? When they. 1703 00:56:24,048 --> 00:56:26,515 that correct? When they. When that would be any May 15th 1704 00:56:26,517 --> 00:56:27,549 When that would be any May 15th through September 30th. 1705 00:56:27,551 --> 00:56:29,484 through September 30th. So let's say we have rain every 1706 00:56:29,486 --> 00:56:31,987 So let's say we have rain every day. They're still going to be 1707 00:56:31,989 --> 00:56:33,989 day. They're still going to be in like I don't I don't like 1708 00:56:33,991 --> 00:56:35,390 in like I don't I don't like this baseline here. Why why why 1709 00:56:35,392 --> 00:56:39,394 this baseline here. Why why why do we need a baseline from May 1710 00:56:39,396 --> 00:56:41,797 do we need a baseline from May 15th through September 30th for 1711 00:56:41,799 --> 00:56:43,265 15th through September 30th for non-essential outdoor watering? 1712 00:56:43,267 --> 00:56:44,199 non-essential outdoor watering? Why should we worry about that? 1713 00:56:44,201 --> 00:56:44,999 Why should we worry about that? Because you're not going to 1714 00:56:45,001 --> 00:56:46,068 Because you're not going to oversee it anyways. If we have 1715 00:56:46,070 --> 00:56:46,935 oversee it anyways. If we have a lot of rain, if we have 1716 00:56:46,937 --> 00:56:48,336 a lot of rain, if we have plenty of water right. 1717 00:56:48,338 --> 00:56:50,338 plenty of water right. Uh, that's not one of my 1718 00:56:50,340 --> 00:56:52,007 Uh, that's not one of my recommendations here. This was 1719 00:56:52,009 --> 00:56:53,809 recommendations here. This was one of the that came out of the 1720 00:56:53,811 --> 00:56:54,610 one of the that came out of the planning and development. 1721 00:56:54,612 --> 00:56:56,412 planning and development. It didn't come. Yeah. I did. 1722 00:56:56,414 --> 00:56:58,213 It didn't come. Yeah. I did. One of the people, the members 1723 00:56:58,215 --> 00:56:59,548 One of the people, the members of that committee. Okay. Let me 1724 00:56:59,550 --> 00:57:00,949 of that committee. Okay. Let me just make that. Yeah, I'll make 1725 00:57:00,951 --> 00:57:01,683 just make that. Yeah, I'll make that distinction. 1726 00:57:01,685 --> 00:57:02,784 that distinction. So I don't agree with that 1727 00:57:02,786 --> 00:57:03,952 So I don't agree with that because I if we have plenty of 1728 00:57:03,954 --> 00:57:05,086 because I if we have plenty of I mean, if we're not going to 1729 00:57:05,088 --> 00:57:06,555 I mean, if we're not going to enforce this, why have it in 1730 00:57:06,557 --> 00:57:07,989 enforce this, why have it in here? That's what I, it's I 1731 00:57:07,991 --> 00:57:09,558 here? That's what I, it's I don't agree with that. And then 1732 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,927 don't agree with that. And then who who would and who do you 1733 00:57:11,929 --> 00:57:13,095 who who would and who do you have a separate person that's 1734 00:57:13,097 --> 00:57:15,164 have a separate person that's going to I understand I got a 1735 00:57:15,166 --> 00:57:17,299 going to I understand I got a letter. We just shut our 1736 00:57:17,301 --> 00:57:19,835 letter. We just shut our irrigation on just for a second 1737 00:57:19,837 --> 00:57:21,436 irrigation on just for a second to fill the hose for the for 1738 00:57:21,438 --> 00:57:22,571 to fill the hose for the for the vegetables. But we got a 1739 00:57:22,573 --> 00:57:23,639 the vegetables. But we got a letter stating we had turned it 1740 00:57:23,641 --> 00:57:24,739 letter stating we had turned it on. So it's like you guys know 1741 00:57:24,741 --> 00:57:28,109 on. So it's like you guys know that right away. By the by, um, 1742 00:57:28,111 --> 00:57:30,645 that right away. By the by, um, the you must have a reader or 1743 00:57:30,647 --> 00:57:31,580 the you must have a reader or something that tells you I got 1744 00:57:31,582 --> 00:57:32,648 something that tells you I got a letter in the mail probably a 1745 00:57:32,650 --> 00:57:34,182 a letter in the mail probably a week later saying we weren't 1746 00:57:34,184 --> 00:57:35,451 week later saying we weren't even using our irrigation. 1747 00:57:35,453 --> 00:57:37,152 even using our irrigation. But we're trying to keep an eye 1748 00:57:37,154 --> 00:57:37,586 But we're trying to keep an eye on things. 1749 00:57:37,588 --> 00:57:38,153 on things. Yeah, yeah. 1750 00:57:38,155 --> 00:57:40,121 Yeah, yeah. So you have ways to to collect 1751 00:57:40,123 --> 00:57:42,891 So you have ways to to collect it, but you're not going to. So 1752 00:57:42,893 --> 00:57:44,726 it, but you're not going to. So and the other thing is who put 1753 00:57:44,728 --> 00:57:46,228 and the other thing is who put the who is on the committee to 1754 00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:47,763 the who is on the committee to put this final draft together. 1755 00:57:47,765 --> 00:57:49,364 put this final draft together. Oh my gosh. 1756 00:57:49,366 --> 00:57:50,132 Oh my gosh. We're going to get to. 1757 00:57:50,134 --> 00:57:52,000 We're going to get to. You know it's okay. Yep. You 1758 00:57:52,002 --> 00:57:53,101 You know it's okay. Yep. You were on that committee. 1759 00:57:53,103 --> 00:57:54,136 were on that committee. No it doesn't come from the 1760 00:57:54,138 --> 00:57:55,604 No it doesn't come from the planning board. So who put this 1761 00:57:55,606 --> 00:57:56,872 planning board. So who put this final draft together? I wasn't 1762 00:57:56,874 --> 00:57:57,573 final draft together? I wasn't on this. 1763 00:57:57,575 --> 00:57:59,074 on this. We worked with the city 1764 00:57:59,076 --> 00:58:00,876 We worked with the city solicitor's office to put the 1765 00:58:00,878 --> 00:58:03,078 solicitor's office to put the the draft city ordinance 1766 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:03,612 the draft city ordinance together. 1767 00:58:03,614 --> 00:58:04,679 together. Because you don't agree with a. 1768 00:58:04,681 --> 00:58:06,281 Because you don't agree with a. Lot of questions from from 1769 00:58:06,283 --> 00:58:07,716 Lot of questions from from people that were on that 1770 00:58:07,718 --> 00:58:08,650 people that were on that planning and development 1771 00:58:08,652 --> 00:58:10,652 planning and development committee. We did take we did 1772 00:58:10,654 --> 00:58:12,654 committee. We did take we did put suggestions from that 1773 00:58:12,656 --> 00:58:14,256 put suggestions from that meeting into this draft. 1774 00:58:14,258 --> 00:58:14,890 meeting into this draft. , because what we. 1775 00:58:14,892 --> 00:58:15,491 , because what we. Said is. 1776 00:58:15,493 --> 00:58:18,026 Said is. We we gave you the list that 1777 00:58:18,028 --> 00:58:19,628 We we gave you the list that majority of us voted against to 1778 00:58:19,630 --> 00:58:20,962 majority of us voted against to say, if what if you guys think 1779 00:58:20,964 --> 00:58:21,897 say, if what if you guys think any of this should be added, 1780 00:58:21,899 --> 00:58:23,598 any of this should be added, you should add it. That was the 1781 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,000 you should add it. That was the line you can. 1782 00:58:25,002 --> 00:58:27,569 line you can. This is the opportunity to make 1783 00:58:27,571 --> 00:58:29,437 This is the opportunity to make these corrections. It's it's 1784 00:58:29,439 --> 00:58:30,839 these corrections. It's it's you have to start somewhere 1785 00:58:30,841 --> 00:58:32,807 you have to start somewhere counselor. So feel free to 1786 00:58:32,809 --> 00:58:33,375 counselor. So feel free to strike. 1787 00:58:33,377 --> 00:58:34,276 strike. You know those are the only 1788 00:58:34,278 --> 00:58:35,811 You know those are the only things right now I have it. 1789 00:58:35,813 --> 00:58:37,879 things right now I have it. It was just to get this moving, 1790 00:58:37,881 --> 00:58:40,682 It was just to get this moving, you know, it had languished. So 1791 00:58:40,684 --> 00:58:42,985 you know, it had languished. So we wanted to just move on. This 1792 00:58:42,987 --> 00:58:44,319 we wanted to just move on. This strike. Whatever you're not 1793 00:58:44,321 --> 00:58:45,087 strike. Whatever you're not comfortable with. 1794 00:58:45,089 --> 00:58:46,288 comfortable with. Well, those three items I'm not 1795 00:58:46,290 --> 00:58:46,688 Well, those three items I'm not comfortable. 1796 00:58:46,690 --> 00:58:48,123 comfortable. With, uh, and and, you know, 1797 00:58:48,125 --> 00:58:49,591 With, uh, and and, you know, this is what this body is for, 1798 00:58:49,593 --> 00:58:52,127 this is what this body is for, to make these decisions, um, 1799 00:58:52,129 --> 00:58:54,329 to make these decisions, um, based on. But at least you have 1800 00:58:54,331 --> 00:58:55,931 based on. But at least you have a template to start from, and 1801 00:58:55,933 --> 00:58:57,399 a template to start from, and you can strike what doesn't 1802 00:58:57,401 --> 00:58:57,666 you can strike what doesn't work. 1803 00:58:57,668 --> 00:58:59,134 work. Thank you. I'm all set. 1804 00:58:59,136 --> 00:59:00,335 Thank you. I'm all set. You're all set. Thank you, 1805 00:59:00,337 --> 00:59:01,770 You're all set. Thank you, Councillor Diodati. 1806 00:59:01,772 --> 00:59:02,804 Councillor Diodati. Thank you, Mr. President. And 1807 00:59:02,806 --> 00:59:03,805 Thank you, Mr. President. And I'd like to just. Yeah. Further 1808 00:59:03,807 --> 00:59:05,274 I'd like to just. Yeah. Further clarify the mayor's statement. 1809 00:59:05,276 --> 00:59:05,974 clarify the mayor's statement. Like the planning and 1810 00:59:05,976 --> 00:59:06,975 Like the planning and development Committee, we had a 1811 00:59:06,977 --> 00:59:08,476 development Committee, we had a list of ideas. Not all of us 1812 00:59:08,478 --> 00:59:10,478 list of ideas. Not all of us agreed on set ideas. We sent 1813 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,347 agreed on set ideas. We sent them to the administration to 1814 00:59:12,349 --> 00:59:13,548 them to the administration to come up with this. And this is 1815 00:59:13,550 --> 00:59:14,616 come up with this. And this is the debate time. This is why 1816 00:59:14,618 --> 00:59:16,017 the debate time. This is why we're here. So that's what 1817 00:59:16,019 --> 00:59:17,419 we're here. So that's what we're doing now. Um, I do have 1818 00:59:17,421 --> 00:59:19,087 we're doing now. Um, I do have a question about the, uh, the 1819 00:59:19,089 --> 00:59:20,488 a question about the, uh, the basically the exemptions for 1820 00:59:20,490 --> 00:59:22,457 basically the exemptions for non-essential use. Why is 1821 00:59:22,459 --> 00:59:23,825 non-essential use. Why is irrigation of public parks 1822 00:59:23,827 --> 00:59:26,361 irrigation of public parks before 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. still 1823 00:59:26,363 --> 00:59:30,132 before 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. still allowed? 1824 00:59:30,134 --> 00:59:32,167 allowed? I that would be a policy 1825 00:59:32,169 --> 00:59:33,569 I that would be a policy question for you. If you wanted 1826 00:59:33,571 --> 00:59:34,770 question for you. If you wanted to take it out of there, you 1827 00:59:34,772 --> 00:59:38,473 to take it out of there, you could do that. I mean, it's. 1828 00:59:38,475 --> 00:59:42,477 could do that. I mean, it's. Um, councilor, I, I think it is 1829 00:59:42,479 --> 00:59:44,613 Um, councilor, I, I think it is allowed because in some 1830 00:59:44,615 --> 00:59:46,247 allowed because in some instances, like I think at 1831 00:59:46,249 --> 00:59:48,183 instances, like I think at Silver Hill, they put in sod 1832 00:59:48,185 --> 00:59:50,719 Silver Hill, they put in sod and to make the sod catch, you 1833 00:59:50,721 --> 00:59:52,587 and to make the sod catch, you have to water it. So, um, you 1834 00:59:52,589 --> 00:59:55,089 have to water it. So, um, you know, I don't think all the 1835 00:59:55,091 --> 00:59:56,257 know, I don't think all the sprinklers are on everywhere, 1836 00:59:56,259 --> 00:59:58,627 sprinklers are on everywhere, but in certain circumstance, 1837 00:59:58,629 --> 01:00:00,595 but in certain circumstance, um, I think that also happened 1838 01:00:00,597 --> 01:00:01,997 um, I think that also happened at the common this year. They 1839 01:00:01,999 --> 01:00:04,099 at the common this year. They they did a lot of work at the 1840 01:00:04,101 --> 01:00:06,368 they did a lot of work at the common, not the city so much. 1841 01:00:06,370 --> 01:00:07,969 common, not the city so much. Team Haverhill paid for a 1842 01:00:07,971 --> 01:00:09,738 Team Haverhill paid for a specialist to come in because 1843 01:00:09,740 --> 01:00:13,075 specialist to come in because of the the extreme use over the 1844 01:00:13,077 --> 01:00:15,677 of the the extreme use over the last few years and the drought. 1845 01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:17,079 last few years and the drought. Uh, the, the grass at the 1846 01:00:17,081 --> 01:00:19,481 Uh, the, the grass at the common was, was suffering. Um, 1847 01:00:19,483 --> 01:00:21,083 common was, was suffering. Um, so they were allowed to water. 1848 01:00:21,085 --> 01:00:24,286 so they were allowed to water. They wanted really early and it 1849 01:00:24,288 --> 01:00:26,688 They wanted really early and it was over. Um, but just to, to 1850 01:00:26,690 --> 01:00:29,191 was over. Um, but just to, to give that seed a chance. 1851 01:00:29,193 --> 01:00:29,825 give that seed a chance. Okay. 1852 01:00:29,827 --> 01:00:30,959 Okay. I guess it's just kind of a, 1853 01:00:30,961 --> 01:00:32,027 I guess it's just kind of a, it's a debate I'm having with 1854 01:00:32,029 --> 01:00:33,629 it's a debate I'm having with myself right now for. So I'm 1855 01:00:33,631 --> 01:00:37,232 myself right now for. So I'm talking about section two 5026. 1856 01:00:37,234 --> 01:00:38,933 talking about section two 5026. Um, G is for irrigation of 1857 01:00:38,935 --> 01:00:40,402 Um, G is for irrigation of public parks before 9 a.m. and 1858 01:00:40,404 --> 01:00:42,671 public parks before 9 a.m. and 5 p.m., H is for irrigation of 1859 01:00:42,673 --> 01:00:44,706 5 p.m., H is for irrigation of public and public and private 1860 01:00:44,708 --> 01:00:46,141 public and public and private recreational fields, which I 1861 01:00:46,143 --> 01:00:47,376 recreational fields, which I would, and those operated by 1862 01:00:47,378 --> 01:00:48,376 would, and those operated by schools. So I think that would 1863 01:00:48,378 --> 01:00:49,911 schools. So I think that would be where the Silver Hill would, 1864 01:00:49,913 --> 01:00:50,945 be where the Silver Hill would, you know, more or less fall 1865 01:00:50,947 --> 01:00:52,714 you know, more or less fall under. But for irrigation of 1866 01:00:52,716 --> 01:00:54,449 under. But for irrigation of public parks before and after 1867 01:00:54,451 --> 01:00:55,651 public parks before and after five, you know, if we're 1868 01:00:55,653 --> 01:00:56,718 five, you know, if we're worried about the damage and 1869 01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,019 worried about the damage and the and the cost of repairing 1870 01:00:58,021 --> 01:00:58,854 the and the cost of repairing it, like we're putting 1871 01:00:58,856 --> 01:00:59,721 it, like we're putting homeowners through the same 1872 01:00:59,723 --> 01:01:01,657 homeowners through the same exact thing, you know, so we we 1873 01:01:01,659 --> 01:01:03,024 exact thing, you know, so we we have lawns that are dying and 1874 01:01:03,026 --> 01:01:04,125 have lawns that are dying and people that don't want their 1875 01:01:04,127 --> 01:01:06,862 people that don't want their grass to die. Um, you know, I'm 1876 01:01:06,864 --> 01:01:07,996 grass to die. Um, you know, I'm just I guess I'm having a hard 1877 01:01:07,998 --> 01:01:09,264 just I guess I'm having a hard time actually having that on 1878 01:01:09,266 --> 01:01:11,800 time actually having that on this list. And then at, uh, 1879 01:01:11,802 --> 01:01:14,202 this list. And then at, uh, Councilor Rogers Point, uh, for 1880 01:01:14,204 --> 01:01:15,737 Councilor Rogers Point, uh, for the purpose of this, I'm 1881 01:01:15,739 --> 01:01:17,005 the purpose of this, I'm skipping along here and going 1882 01:01:17,007 --> 01:01:20,308 skipping along here and going back to, um, section that we 1883 01:01:20,310 --> 01:01:22,210 back to, um, section that we add here. This is the, uh, the 1884 01:01:22,212 --> 01:01:24,212 add here. This is the, uh, the irrigation system requirements. 1885 01:01:24,214 --> 01:01:25,414 irrigation system requirements. Um, I don't necessarily feel 1886 01:01:25,416 --> 01:01:26,748 Um, I don't necessarily feel comfortable with police 1887 01:01:26,750 --> 01:01:28,216 comfortable with police officers and or city agents. So 1888 01:01:28,218 --> 01:01:28,750 officers and or city agents. So the Board of Water 1889 01:01:28,752 --> 01:01:29,784 the Board of Water Commissioners being able to 1890 01:01:29,786 --> 01:01:31,086 Commissioners being able to enter a property to enforce 1891 01:01:31,088 --> 01:01:32,987 enter a property to enforce that section for turning off 1892 01:01:32,989 --> 01:01:34,088 that section for turning off sprinklers. I think if there's 1893 01:01:34,090 --> 01:01:35,156 sprinklers. I think if there's an issue with permitting, 1894 01:01:35,158 --> 01:01:35,957 an issue with permitting, there's an appointment that 1895 01:01:35,959 --> 01:01:36,758 there's an appointment that should be made and every 1896 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,193 should be made and every attempt should be made to work 1897 01:01:38,195 --> 01:01:40,161 attempt should be made to work diligently with a homeowner to 1898 01:01:40,163 --> 01:01:41,697 diligently with a homeowner to to have a discussion with them, 1899 01:01:41,699 --> 01:01:43,432 to have a discussion with them, or if they are using the water, 1900 01:01:43,434 --> 01:01:44,966 or if they are using the water, then we already have a fining 1901 01:01:44,968 --> 01:01:47,502 then we already have a fining schedule in place for that. So, 1902 01:01:47,504 --> 01:01:49,570 schedule in place for that. So, um, I would like to see that at 1903 01:01:49,572 --> 01:01:50,638 um, I would like to see that at least stricken from this. And 1904 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,073 least stricken from this. And then as far as the private 1905 01:01:52,075 --> 01:01:53,007 then as far as the private wells are concerned, we've 1906 01:01:53,009 --> 01:01:55,043 wells are concerned, we've talked about that are probably 1907 01:01:55,045 --> 01:01:56,711 talked about that are probably too much already tonight, but I 1908 01:01:56,713 --> 01:01:58,012 too much already tonight, but I do not agree with it. If you 1909 01:01:58,014 --> 01:01:58,847 do not agree with it. If you own your property, you should 1910 01:01:58,849 --> 01:01:59,781 own your property, you should own everything right down to 1911 01:01:59,783 --> 01:02:00,715 own everything right down to the earth. And if you're paying 1912 01:02:00,717 --> 01:02:01,583 the earth. And if you're paying for your own infrastructure to 1913 01:02:01,585 --> 01:02:03,151 for your own infrastructure to put water into your house, and 1914 01:02:03,153 --> 01:02:04,285 put water into your house, and you're also putting it back in 1915 01:02:04,287 --> 01:02:05,454 you're also putting it back in with a septic system, it just 1916 01:02:05,456 --> 01:02:08,590 with a septic system, it just seems seems pointless. Um, and 1917 01:02:08,592 --> 01:02:09,791 seems seems pointless. Um, and I know that this needed to be 1918 01:02:09,793 --> 01:02:11,025 I know that this needed to be revised, and I'm happy that it 1919 01:02:11,027 --> 01:02:12,761 revised, and I'm happy that it is being revised, but I also 1920 01:02:12,763 --> 01:02:13,995 is being revised, but I also want to remind everyone to. We 1921 01:02:13,997 --> 01:02:15,563 want to remind everyone to. We have a solution to the water on 1922 01:02:15,565 --> 01:02:16,364 have a solution to the water on the way. It's just going to 1923 01:02:16,366 --> 01:02:17,999 the way. It's just going to take some time to do it, and 1924 01:02:18,001 --> 01:02:19,167 take some time to do it, and we're doing everything we can. 1925 01:02:19,169 --> 01:02:20,268 we're doing everything we can. And I appreciate everybody's 1926 01:02:20,270 --> 01:02:22,137 And I appreciate everybody's efforts to, uh, do better with 1927 01:02:22,139 --> 01:02:23,672 efforts to, uh, do better with water conservation. Those that 1928 01:02:23,674 --> 01:02:25,474 water conservation. Those that are using our city water, 1929 01:02:25,476 --> 01:02:26,374 are using our city water, because those efforts are 1930 01:02:26,376 --> 01:02:27,342 because those efforts are definitely paying off and they 1931 01:02:27,344 --> 01:02:29,478 definitely paying off and they are buying us time. And I do 1932 01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:30,679 are buying us time. And I do have one more question for Mr. 1933 01:02:30,681 --> 01:02:32,247 have one more question for Mr. Ward. You know, if we continue 1934 01:02:32,249 --> 01:02:33,715 Ward. You know, if we continue to do what we are doing as far 1935 01:02:33,717 --> 01:02:34,916 to do what we are doing as far as water conservation is 1936 01:02:34,918 --> 01:02:37,085 as water conservation is concerned and the city does 1937 01:02:37,087 --> 01:02:38,486 concerned and the city does continue to have an effort 1938 01:02:38,488 --> 01:02:40,822 continue to have an effort there, do we have a fear of 1939 01:02:40,824 --> 01:02:43,892 there, do we have a fear of running out of water? 1940 01:02:43,894 --> 01:02:45,860 running out of water? The drought continues long 1941 01:02:45,862 --> 01:02:48,897 The drought continues long term? Yeah, absolutely. 1942 01:02:48,899 --> 01:02:53,935 term? Yeah, absolutely. Okay. 1943 01:02:53,937 --> 01:02:55,770 Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Councilor 1944 01:02:55,772 --> 01:02:57,672 Thank you. Thank you. Councilor Diodati. Councilor Ferreira. 1945 01:02:57,674 --> 01:03:00,708 Diodati. Councilor Ferreira. Thank you. Um, just to remind 1946 01:03:00,710 --> 01:03:02,377 Thank you. Um, just to remind everybody back in March is when 1947 01:03:02,379 --> 01:03:04,446 everybody back in March is when we asked for an update for this 1948 01:03:04,448 --> 01:03:06,447 we asked for an update for this as we had drought conditions 1949 01:03:06,449 --> 01:03:07,749 as we had drought conditions changing at that time. And we 1950 01:03:07,751 --> 01:03:09,117 changing at that time. And we are changing to more serious 1951 01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:10,986 are changing to more serious levels. So it went to planning 1952 01:03:10,988 --> 01:03:13,855 levels. So it went to planning and development twice. Um, and 1953 01:03:13,857 --> 01:03:15,456 and development twice. Um, and the draft that our committee 1954 01:03:15,458 --> 01:03:17,091 the draft that our committee moved to your administration 1955 01:03:17,093 --> 01:03:19,661 moved to your administration office was to bring this back 1956 01:03:19,663 --> 01:03:22,130 office was to bring this back to us. The overview of this 1957 01:03:22,132 --> 01:03:24,265 to us. The overview of this section is based on 1958 01:03:24,267 --> 01:03:26,668 section is based on conservation primarily. So 1959 01:03:26,670 --> 01:03:28,470 conservation primarily. So we're looking at all of these 1960 01:03:28,472 --> 01:03:31,540 we're looking at all of these items as ways to help move 1961 01:03:31,542 --> 01:03:33,141 items as ways to help move conservation in a positive 1962 01:03:33,143 --> 01:03:34,976 conservation in a positive manner to protect our overall 1963 01:03:34,978 --> 01:03:38,046 manner to protect our overall water supply. So for me, when 1964 01:03:38,048 --> 01:03:40,548 water supply. So for me, when we talk about water users, this 1965 01:03:40,550 --> 01:03:42,150 we talk about water users, this was something that was unclear 1966 01:03:42,152 --> 01:03:43,384 was something that was unclear and what I heard quite often, 1967 01:03:43,386 --> 01:03:44,485 and what I heard quite often, and I'm sure many of you have 1968 01:03:44,487 --> 01:03:46,488 and I'm sure many of you have heard the same thing. They have 1969 01:03:46,490 --> 01:03:47,956 heard the same thing. They have wells, they're watering their 1970 01:03:47,958 --> 01:03:49,157 wells, they're watering their lawns. This person has their 1971 01:03:49,159 --> 01:03:50,959 lawns. This person has their irrigation going all day. This 1972 01:03:50,961 --> 01:03:52,093 irrigation going all day. This business has their lawn 1973 01:03:52,095 --> 01:03:53,528 business has their lawn sprinklers going all day. The 1974 01:03:53,530 --> 01:03:55,831 sprinklers going all day. The number of times I have heard 1975 01:03:55,833 --> 01:03:58,233 number of times I have heard about Market Basket Plaza at 1976 01:03:58,235 --> 01:03:59,834 about Market Basket Plaza at Westgate, watering their lawn 1977 01:03:59,836 --> 01:04:01,035 Westgate, watering their lawn all day long. I'm sure you have 1978 01:04:01,037 --> 01:04:01,836 all day long. I'm sure you have all heard it. And if you 1979 01:04:01,838 --> 01:04:03,771 all heard it. And if you haven't, I don't know how 1980 01:04:03,773 --> 01:04:04,606 haven't, I don't know how people are getting in touch 1981 01:04:04,608 --> 01:04:06,174 people are getting in touch with you, but they they're on a 1982 01:04:06,176 --> 01:04:09,177 with you, but they they're on a well, they're right. So right 1983 01:04:09,179 --> 01:04:12,580 well, they're right. So right now, commercial properties with 1984 01:04:12,582 --> 01:04:15,317 now, commercial properties with wells are allowed to use those 1985 01:04:15,319 --> 01:04:16,751 wells are allowed to use those wells however they want as 1986 01:04:16,753 --> 01:04:18,253 wells however they want as well. And those larger 1987 01:04:18,255 --> 01:04:19,988 well. And those larger properties are more than likely 1988 01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:21,923 properties are more than likely using more water to cover their 1989 01:04:21,925 --> 01:04:24,793 using more water to cover their grass than you. Well owner near 1990 01:04:24,795 --> 01:04:26,194 grass than you. Well owner near Crystal Lake are using to water 1991 01:04:26,196 --> 01:04:27,996 Crystal Lake are using to water your lawn. That's my guess, 1992 01:04:27,998 --> 01:04:30,231 your lawn. That's my guess, right? So when we're talking 1993 01:04:30,233 --> 01:04:31,733 right? So when we're talking about where this water is 1994 01:04:31,735 --> 01:04:33,334 about where this water is coming from, we also talked 1995 01:04:33,336 --> 01:04:34,636 coming from, we also talked about at our subcommittee 1996 01:04:34,638 --> 01:04:37,038 about at our subcommittee meeting that if you have a 1997 01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:38,406 meeting that if you have a well, you're not just dipping a 1998 01:04:38,408 --> 01:04:40,008 well, you're not just dipping a straw into an unending pool 1999 01:04:40,010 --> 01:04:41,976 straw into an unending pool that's only below your house. 2000 01:04:41,978 --> 01:04:44,112 that's only below your house. It is tied in and connected and 2001 01:04:44,114 --> 01:04:46,281 It is tied in and connected and recharges and flows up and down 2002 01:04:46,283 --> 01:04:48,082 recharges and flows up and down with everybody else's water. In 2003 01:04:48,084 --> 01:04:50,018 with everybody else's water. In our watershed area, you have a 2004 01:04:50,020 --> 01:04:51,452 our watershed area, you have a well, because you had a flow 2005 01:04:51,454 --> 01:04:53,488 well, because you had a flow rate that made it valuable for 2006 01:04:53,490 --> 01:04:54,889 rate that made it valuable for you to dig a well at your 2007 01:04:54,891 --> 01:04:56,257 you to dig a well at your house. That means you're in a 2008 01:04:56,259 --> 01:04:57,492 house. That means you're in a watershed area where there's 2009 01:04:57,494 --> 01:05:00,028 watershed area where there's water to tap into my house. I'm 2010 01:05:00,030 --> 01:05:02,297 water to tap into my house. I'm not digging a well, I probably 2011 01:05:02,299 --> 01:05:03,498 not digging a well, I probably maybe could, but I live up the 2012 01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:04,632 maybe could, but I live up the hill here. We don't do that 2013 01:05:04,634 --> 01:05:07,369 hill here. We don't do that here. However, we're asking 2014 01:05:07,371 --> 01:05:09,837 here. However, we're asking everyone to conserve no matter 2015 01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:11,205 everyone to conserve no matter where your water is coming 2016 01:05:11,207 --> 01:05:12,573 where your water is coming from, because from a 2017 01:05:12,575 --> 01:05:13,642 from, because from a sustainability and a 2018 01:05:13,644 --> 01:05:15,710 sustainability and a conservation practice, it is 2019 01:05:15,712 --> 01:05:17,712 conservation practice, it is all connected. And if we have 2020 01:05:17,714 --> 01:05:20,448 all connected. And if we have to make changes to our 2021 01:05:20,450 --> 01:05:22,584 to make changes to our practices as a community to 2022 01:05:22,586 --> 01:05:24,051 practices as a community to take care of each other and to 2023 01:05:24,053 --> 01:05:25,654 take care of each other and to take care of our community, 2024 01:05:25,656 --> 01:05:27,188 take care of our community, this is a way to make sure that 2025 01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:29,123 this is a way to make sure that community wide, we're all being 2026 01:05:29,125 --> 01:05:30,591 community wide, we're all being held to the same standards. 2027 01:05:30,593 --> 01:05:31,926 held to the same standards. Water is not an infinite 2028 01:05:31,928 --> 01:05:32,994 Water is not an infinite resource, and I think we've 2029 01:05:32,996 --> 01:05:34,529 resource, and I think we've witnessed this with Kenosha 2030 01:05:34,531 --> 01:05:36,297 witnessed this with Kenosha Lake drying down to what looks 2031 01:05:36,299 --> 01:05:38,800 Lake drying down to what looks like a mud puddle. Right? So 2032 01:05:38,802 --> 01:05:39,935 like a mud puddle. Right? So it's going to take a long time 2033 01:05:39,937 --> 01:05:41,803 it's going to take a long time for that to recharge. Maybe 2034 01:05:41,805 --> 01:05:43,738 for that to recharge. Maybe it'll take two years when the 2035 01:05:43,740 --> 01:05:45,941 it'll take two years when the radial collector comes on. My 2036 01:05:45,943 --> 01:05:47,475 radial collector comes on. My guess is it's still going to be 2037 01:05:47,477 --> 01:05:48,877 guess is it's still going to be low at that point. It takes a 2038 01:05:48,879 --> 01:05:50,044 low at that point. It takes a long, long time to get that 2039 01:05:50,046 --> 01:05:52,313 long, long time to get that back. And in the meantime, if 2040 01:05:52,315 --> 01:05:55,817 back. And in the meantime, if we can adjust our conservation 2041 01:05:55,819 --> 01:05:58,052 we can adjust our conservation measures by asking everybody 2042 01:05:58,054 --> 01:06:01,622 measures by asking everybody who uses water at all to abide 2043 01:06:01,624 --> 01:06:04,359 who uses water at all to abide by the same rules, in the same 2044 01:06:04,361 --> 01:06:06,094 by the same rules, in the same enforcement, I don't really 2045 01:06:06,096 --> 01:06:07,395 enforcement, I don't really think that's too much to ask of 2046 01:06:07,397 --> 01:06:09,130 think that's too much to ask of us as a community. No matter 2047 01:06:09,132 --> 01:06:10,832 us as a community. No matter where your water comes from. So 2048 01:06:10,834 --> 01:06:13,134 where your water comes from. So we're not talking about taxing 2049 01:06:13,136 --> 01:06:15,837 we're not talking about taxing or metering wells. We're not 2050 01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:17,939 or metering wells. We're not talking about charging a fee 2051 01:06:17,941 --> 01:06:19,473 talking about charging a fee because you have a well to the 2052 01:06:19,475 --> 01:06:21,576 because you have a well to the water department or it's not 2053 01:06:21,578 --> 01:06:23,244 water department or it's not that we're asking you to 2054 01:06:23,246 --> 01:06:25,479 that we're asking you to conserve the same way. And the 2055 01:06:25,481 --> 01:06:27,248 conserve the same way. And the enforcement is the same, as I 2056 01:06:27,250 --> 01:06:28,349 enforcement is the same, as I would assume it is for everyone 2057 01:06:28,351 --> 01:06:29,584 would assume it is for everyone else. You can drive by and see 2058 01:06:29,586 --> 01:06:31,720 else. You can drive by and see your lawn sprinklers going, or 2059 01:06:31,722 --> 01:06:33,054 your lawn sprinklers going, or somebody calls and says they're 2060 01:06:33,056 --> 01:06:35,056 somebody calls and says they're watering their lawn 24 hours a 2061 01:06:35,058 --> 01:06:36,391 watering their lawn 24 hours a day in my street or whatever it 2062 01:06:36,393 --> 01:06:37,925 day in my street or whatever it is. The enforcement is the same 2063 01:06:37,927 --> 01:06:39,461 is. The enforcement is the same as everybody else. The water 2064 01:06:39,463 --> 01:06:41,196 as everybody else. The water department knows if you have a 2065 01:06:41,198 --> 01:06:42,397 department knows if you have a well or if you have city water, 2066 01:06:42,399 --> 01:06:45,666 well or if you have city water, it's not a secret. Right? So I 2067 01:06:45,668 --> 01:06:48,269 it's not a secret. Right? So I guess my other so that's I feel 2068 01:06:48,271 --> 01:06:50,271 guess my other so that's I feel okay with Wells being included 2069 01:06:50,273 --> 01:06:52,507 okay with Wells being included as all water users. Another 2070 01:06:52,509 --> 01:06:53,841 as all water users. Another reason I think I feel okay 2071 01:06:53,843 --> 01:06:55,576 reason I think I feel okay about it, which Bob, maybe you 2072 01:06:55,578 --> 01:06:58,212 about it, which Bob, maybe you can give us some help here. Do 2073 01:06:58,214 --> 01:06:59,414 can give us some help here. Do we have any idea of how many 2074 01:06:59,416 --> 01:07:00,915 we have any idea of how many wells are in use in the city of 2075 01:07:00,917 --> 01:07:02,684 wells are in use in the city of Haverhill, and how many 2076 01:07:02,686 --> 01:07:07,022 Haverhill, and how many residents would be on Wells? 2077 01:07:07,024 --> 01:07:11,025 residents would be on Wells? We generally it's about 90% of 2078 01:07:11,027 --> 01:07:13,495 We generally it's about 90% of people are on on city water, 2079 01:07:13,497 --> 01:07:15,163 people are on on city water, right? Yeah. I don't know the 2080 01:07:15,165 --> 01:07:17,365 right? Yeah. I don't know the number of wells right out 2081 01:07:17,367 --> 01:07:18,366 number of wells right out there. So. 2082 01:07:18,368 --> 01:07:21,469 there. So. And so when we talk about 2083 01:07:21,471 --> 01:07:25,740 And so when we talk about conservation measures, it's 2084 01:07:25,742 --> 01:07:27,642 conservation measures, it's still makes an impact to 2085 01:07:27,644 --> 01:07:29,777 still makes an impact to conserve even at your own house 2086 01:07:29,779 --> 01:07:32,313 conserve even at your own house with a well as it does as a 2087 01:07:32,315 --> 01:07:34,182 with a well as it does as a resident to preserve our 2088 01:07:34,184 --> 01:07:35,917 resident to preserve our general water supply. It's a 2089 01:07:35,919 --> 01:07:37,652 general water supply. It's a generalized system. It's a 2090 01:07:37,654 --> 01:07:41,589 generalized system. It's a community wide issue. I think I 2091 01:07:41,591 --> 01:07:42,990 community wide issue. I think I understand a concern that it 2092 01:07:42,992 --> 01:07:44,459 understand a concern that it feels like overstretch, and it 2093 01:07:44,461 --> 01:07:45,527 feels like overstretch, and it feels like government 2094 01:07:45,529 --> 01:07:47,529 feels like government overreach. But in all honesty, 2095 01:07:47,531 --> 01:07:49,397 overreach. But in all honesty, when we looked at wording from 2096 01:07:49,399 --> 01:07:50,999 when we looked at wording from lots of other communities and 2097 01:07:51,001 --> 01:07:53,001 lots of other communities and municipalities around us, all 2098 01:07:53,003 --> 01:07:54,969 municipalities around us, all water users, this definition 2099 01:07:54,971 --> 01:07:56,571 water users, this definition has included wells for a long, 2100 01:07:56,573 --> 01:07:57,672 has included wells for a long, long time. For a lot of 2101 01:07:57,674 --> 01:07:59,373 long time. For a lot of municipalities around here 2102 01:07:59,375 --> 01:08:01,142 municipalities around here myself, Councilor Lewandowski 2103 01:08:01,144 --> 01:08:02,210 myself, Councilor Lewandowski and Councilor Richardson met 2104 01:08:02,212 --> 01:08:03,377 and Councilor Richardson met with Merrimack Valley Planning 2105 01:08:03,379 --> 01:08:05,012 with Merrimack Valley Planning Commission about this with some 2106 01:08:05,014 --> 01:08:06,414 Commission about this with some of their water folks over 2107 01:08:06,416 --> 01:08:07,882 of their water folks over there, about how other 2108 01:08:07,884 --> 01:08:09,284 there, about how other municipalities address 2109 01:08:09,286 --> 01:08:11,285 municipalities address conservation. And some of these 2110 01:08:11,287 --> 01:08:12,487 conservation. And some of these suggestions came from our 2111 01:08:12,489 --> 01:08:13,688 suggestions came from our meetings there that we then 2112 01:08:13,690 --> 01:08:14,689 meetings there that we then brought to our subcommittee 2113 01:08:14,691 --> 01:08:15,990 brought to our subcommittee meetings, where we spoke for a 2114 01:08:15,992 --> 01:08:17,825 meetings, where we spoke for a really long time about how our 2115 01:08:17,827 --> 01:08:19,560 really long time about how our watershed works and how our 2116 01:08:19,562 --> 01:08:21,696 watershed works and how our water system works. And the 2117 01:08:21,698 --> 01:08:23,097 water system works. And the bigger questions, what are our 2118 01:08:23,099 --> 01:08:24,499 bigger questions, what are our responsibilities to each other 2119 01:08:24,501 --> 01:08:28,802 responsibilities to each other in this community? So for me, 2120 01:08:28,804 --> 01:08:32,440 in this community? So for me, thank you for being patient. Is 2121 01:08:32,442 --> 01:08:33,808 thank you for being patient. Is I think this ordinance looks 2122 01:08:33,810 --> 01:08:35,042 I think this ordinance looks like a great starting point. 2123 01:08:35,044 --> 01:08:38,179 like a great starting point. And I don't think we're taking 2124 01:08:38,181 --> 01:08:40,781 And I don't think we're taking crazy jumps by any means to get 2125 01:08:40,783 --> 01:08:41,716 crazy jumps by any means to get to this point. I think it's 2126 01:08:41,718 --> 01:08:43,184 to this point. I think it's long overdue and it's baby 2127 01:08:43,186 --> 01:08:44,786 long overdue and it's baby steps, and I think we've done a 2128 01:08:44,788 --> 01:08:46,387 steps, and I think we've done a good job with the amount of 2129 01:08:46,389 --> 01:08:49,089 good job with the amount of gallons saved so far. It was a 2130 01:08:49,091 --> 01:08:50,758 gallons saved so far. It was a lot at our last water update 2131 01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,493 lot at our last water update that you mentioned had been 2132 01:08:52,495 --> 01:08:54,529 that you mentioned had been conserved so far this summer, 2133 01:08:54,531 --> 01:08:57,198 conserved so far this summer, so in the world of climate 2134 01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:58,733 so in the world of climate change and in the trends we're 2135 01:08:58,735 --> 01:08:59,967 change and in the trends we're seeing of longer periods of 2136 01:08:59,969 --> 01:09:01,169 seeing of longer periods of drought and longer periods of 2137 01:09:01,171 --> 01:09:02,937 drought and longer periods of dry weather, we have to make 2138 01:09:02,939 --> 01:09:04,639 dry weather, we have to make some changes as a community. 2139 01:09:04,641 --> 01:09:08,009 some changes as a community. And I think we as elected 2140 01:09:08,011 --> 01:09:10,278 And I think we as elected leaders need to take a lead and 2141 01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,513 leaders need to take a lead and set an example for doing so. So 2142 01:09:12,515 --> 01:09:15,083 set an example for doing so. So I support the ordinance as is. 2143 01:09:15,085 --> 01:09:15,750 I support the ordinance as is. Thank you. 2144 01:09:15,752 --> 01:09:17,885 Thank you. Thank you. Councillor, uh, Vice 2145 01:09:17,887 --> 01:09:18,920 Thank you. Councillor, uh, Vice President Mitchinson. 2146 01:09:18,922 --> 01:09:21,623 President Mitchinson. Thank you very much, Mr. 2147 01:09:21,625 --> 01:09:24,425 Thank you very much, Mr. President. Um, well, before I 2148 01:09:24,427 --> 01:09:26,828 President. Um, well, before I ask my questions, I want to 2149 01:09:26,830 --> 01:09:29,330 ask my questions, I want to offer Bob, um, that I'm willing 2150 01:09:29,332 --> 01:09:32,099 offer Bob, um, that I'm willing to be your tutor for 2151 01:09:32,101 --> 01:09:36,771 to be your tutor for conciseness. 2152 01:09:36,773 --> 01:09:37,572 conciseness. Thank you. 2153 01:09:37,574 --> 01:09:40,742 Thank you. I may take you up on that. 2154 01:09:40,744 --> 01:09:43,911 I may take you up on that. First question. Um, and this is 2155 01:09:43,913 --> 01:09:46,181 First question. Um, and this is a little bit technical, but 2156 01:09:46,183 --> 01:09:47,916 a little bit technical, but hopefully you can answer it in 2157 01:09:47,918 --> 01:09:51,919 hopefully you can answer it in a short moment. Um, is Canosa 2158 01:09:51,921 --> 01:09:58,025 a short moment. Um, is Canosa Lake alone the best trigger for 2159 01:09:58,027 --> 01:10:04,999 Lake alone the best trigger for demand or. Other measures, such 2160 01:10:05,001 --> 01:10:08,135 demand or. Other measures, such as, um, rate of decline, 2161 01:10:08,137 --> 01:10:11,372 as, um, rate of decline, rainfall and other supplies 2162 01:10:11,374 --> 01:10:13,641 rainfall and other supplies should supplement it. I mean, 2163 01:10:13,643 --> 01:10:14,742 should supplement it. I mean, have you done much thinking 2164 01:10:14,744 --> 01:10:17,078 have you done much thinking about that? We're banking all 2165 01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:18,413 about that? We're banking all on Canosa. 2166 01:10:18,415 --> 01:10:19,814 on Canosa. We do a lot of thinking about 2167 01:10:19,816 --> 01:10:22,217 We do a lot of thinking about that stuff. Um, we do look at 2168 01:10:22,219 --> 01:10:23,751 that stuff. Um, we do look at all that stuff. We we look at 2169 01:10:23,753 --> 01:10:26,287 all that stuff. We we look at the rate of decline of Canosa. 2170 01:10:26,289 --> 01:10:28,422 the rate of decline of Canosa. We know exactly how much water 2171 01:10:28,424 --> 01:10:30,024 We know exactly how much water is at Crystal Lake. There's no 2172 01:10:30,026 --> 01:10:31,626 is at Crystal Lake. There's no water to pump in Millvale. We 2173 01:10:31,628 --> 01:10:34,328 water to pump in Millvale. We know that. Um, but we know how 2174 01:10:34,330 --> 01:10:37,031 know that. Um, but we know how many days of pumping we have at 2175 01:10:37,033 --> 01:10:39,100 many days of pumping we have at at Crystal at Millville. When 2176 01:10:39,102 --> 01:10:40,901 at Crystal at Millville. When we are pumping them, we know 2177 01:10:40,903 --> 01:10:43,271 we are pumping them, we know how much volume we had there. 2178 01:10:43,273 --> 01:10:44,839 how much volume we had there. We know how much we pumped from 2179 01:10:44,841 --> 01:10:46,507 We know how much we pumped from Crystal last year. We have all 2180 01:10:46,509 --> 01:10:49,143 Crystal last year. We have all those numbers. And when we're 2181 01:10:49,145 --> 01:10:50,511 those numbers. And when we're looking at that stuff where 2182 01:10:50,513 --> 01:10:52,747 looking at that stuff where we're looking at all that 2183 01:10:52,749 --> 01:10:55,650 we're looking at all that information, so, um, as a 2184 01:10:55,652 --> 01:10:58,352 information, so, um, as a trigger level, Canosa seems to 2185 01:10:58,354 --> 01:11:00,221 trigger level, Canosa seems to make the level seems to make 2186 01:11:00,223 --> 01:11:02,623 make the level seems to make the most sense. 2187 01:11:02,625 --> 01:11:04,625 the most sense. Okay. Um, that's a good 2188 01:11:04,627 --> 01:11:06,761 Okay. Um, that's a good explanation. And I believe you. 2189 01:11:06,763 --> 01:11:07,528 explanation. And I believe you. Was that concise. 2190 01:11:07,530 --> 01:11:08,129 Was that concise. On that? 2191 01:11:08,131 --> 01:11:08,730 On that? Yes. 2192 01:11:08,732 --> 01:11:12,266 Yes. Very, very good. Um, uh, going 2193 01:11:12,268 --> 01:11:14,002 Very, very good. Um, uh, going back to, uh, what council 2194 01:11:14,004 --> 01:11:15,936 back to, uh, what council Sullivan was saying with 2195 01:11:15,938 --> 01:11:19,440 Sullivan was saying with regards to, um, the last 2196 01:11:19,442 --> 01:11:21,809 regards to, um, the last ordinance that we looked at in 2197 01:11:21,811 --> 01:11:24,078 ordinance that we looked at in terms of education and 2198 01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:28,482 terms of education and notification of people. Um, I 2199 01:11:28,484 --> 01:11:29,884 notification of people. Um, I believe that whenever the 2200 01:11:29,886 --> 01:11:31,819 believe that whenever the drought level changes, the 2201 01:11:31,821 --> 01:11:34,422 drought level changes, the water division should publicly 2202 01:11:34,424 --> 01:11:37,492 water division should publicly post the current Canosa supply 2203 01:11:37,494 --> 01:11:40,161 post the current Canosa supply capacity percentage, drought 2204 01:11:40,163 --> 01:11:42,396 capacity percentage, drought stage. And the basis for that 2205 01:11:42,398 --> 01:11:45,299 stage. And the basis for that change so people can understand 2206 01:11:45,301 --> 01:11:48,269 change so people can understand what it means. Does that sound 2207 01:11:48,271 --> 01:11:49,937 what it means. Does that sound like something that. 2208 01:11:49,939 --> 01:11:52,039 like something that. As a percentage, we can yeah, 2209 01:11:52,041 --> 01:11:53,875 As a percentage, we can yeah, we can do that. 2210 01:11:53,877 --> 01:11:57,145 we can do that. Okay. It's just a suggestion. 2211 01:11:57,147 --> 01:11:57,679 Okay. It's just a suggestion. Um. 2212 01:11:57,681 --> 01:11:59,714 Um. And I did also want to ask the 2213 01:11:59,716 --> 01:12:02,583 And I did also want to ask the question about how many 2214 01:12:02,585 --> 01:12:04,585 question about how many residences, what percentage, 2215 01:12:04,587 --> 01:12:07,588 residences, what percentage, um, actually have Wells. And 2216 01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:09,123 um, actually have Wells. And that's a relatively small 2217 01:12:09,125 --> 01:12:11,159 that's a relatively small percentage. 10%. 2218 01:12:11,161 --> 01:12:11,559 percentage. 10%. Yes. 2219 01:12:11,561 --> 01:12:13,728 Yes. It is. As far as the impact 2220 01:12:13,730 --> 01:12:16,330 It is. As far as the impact that it actually has. Yes. On 2221 01:12:16,332 --> 01:12:19,500 that it actually has. Yes. On the on the drought conditions, 2222 01:12:19,502 --> 01:12:23,003 the on the drought conditions, um, I think that's it. Thank 2223 01:12:23,005 --> 01:12:24,172 um, I think that's it. Thank you very much. 2224 01:12:24,174 --> 01:12:26,540 you very much. Thank you, Mr. Vice President. 2225 01:12:26,542 --> 01:12:27,842 Thank you, Mr. Vice President. Councilor LePage. 2226 01:12:27,844 --> 01:12:30,144 Councilor LePage. Uh, thank you, Mr. President. 2227 01:12:30,146 --> 01:12:31,245 Uh, thank you, Mr. President. I'm not going to go over 2228 01:12:31,247 --> 01:12:32,212 I'm not going to go over everything. I was just going to 2229 01:12:32,214 --> 01:12:34,215 everything. I was just going to basically ask to we had a 2230 01:12:34,217 --> 01:12:37,418 basically ask to we had a motion and various seconds on 2231 01:12:37,420 --> 01:12:39,687 motion and various seconds on it. Uh, my question is city 2232 01:12:39,689 --> 01:12:42,356 it. Uh, my question is city solicitor, should we? As a 2233 01:12:42,358 --> 01:12:44,291 solicitor, should we? As a former council would say, make 2234 01:12:44,293 --> 01:12:47,094 former council would say, make the sausage here and strike and 2235 01:12:47,096 --> 01:12:48,796 the sausage here and strike and and update this as we are right 2236 01:12:48,798 --> 01:12:50,731 and update this as we are right here, right now? Can we go 2237 01:12:50,733 --> 01:12:51,465 here, right now? Can we go through that? Because I have a 2238 01:12:51,467 --> 01:12:52,700 through that? Because I have a couple suggestions. I don't 2239 01:12:52,702 --> 01:12:54,101 couple suggestions. I don't know if others have. And we can 2240 01:12:54,103 --> 01:12:56,337 know if others have. And we can just do that here versus going 2241 01:12:56,339 --> 01:12:56,637 just do that here versus going back for. 2242 01:12:56,639 --> 01:12:57,805 back for. The I would suggest, given how 2243 01:12:57,807 --> 01:12:59,306 The I would suggest, given how long this has gone on, maybe we 2244 01:12:59,308 --> 01:13:00,574 long this has gone on, maybe we should do that. But let's hear 2245 01:13:00,576 --> 01:13:01,042 should do that. But let's hear from. 2246 01:13:01,044 --> 01:13:03,044 from. The I think that you can do it. 2247 01:13:03,046 --> 01:13:04,612 The I think that you can do it. So let's take this initial 2248 01:13:04,614 --> 01:13:05,780 So let's take this initial motion. And they would each 2249 01:13:05,782 --> 01:13:07,014 motion. And they would each have to be a motion. Right. So 2250 01:13:07,016 --> 01:13:08,716 have to be a motion. Right. So we only have one motion. 2251 01:13:08,718 --> 01:13:09,150 we only have one motion. So far. 2252 01:13:09,152 --> 01:13:10,651 So far. On the table right now. And 2253 01:13:10,653 --> 01:13:13,053 On the table right now. And that is to remove the private 2254 01:13:13,055 --> 01:13:14,789 that is to remove the private wells. And so the the way to do 2255 01:13:14,791 --> 01:13:16,891 wells. And so the the way to do that is in the definition of 2256 01:13:16,893 --> 01:13:19,593 that is in the definition of water user, we would eliminate 2257 01:13:19,595 --> 01:13:22,096 water user, we would eliminate um the or using privately owned 2258 01:13:22,098 --> 01:13:23,864 um the or using privately owned wells. And so if you eliminated 2259 01:13:23,866 --> 01:13:25,666 wells. And so if you eliminated that it just takes care of it. 2260 01:13:25,668 --> 01:13:27,134 that it just takes care of it. So there are depending what the 2261 01:13:27,136 --> 01:13:28,002 So there are depending what the motion is, I think it's 2262 01:13:28,004 --> 01:13:29,069 motion is, I think it's succinct enough that we can 2263 01:13:29,071 --> 01:13:29,771 succinct enough that we can make that we can. 2264 01:13:29,773 --> 01:13:30,270 make that we can. Make I'm not. 2265 01:13:30,272 --> 01:13:31,205 Make I'm not. A lawyer, but that's what I 2266 01:13:31,207 --> 01:13:32,006 A lawyer, but that's what I highlighted. 2267 01:13:32,008 --> 01:13:32,807 highlighted. How about that? 2268 01:13:32,809 --> 01:13:33,975 How about that? Look at that. There you go. 2269 01:13:33,977 --> 01:13:35,610 Look at that. There you go. Send an application to her 2270 01:13:35,612 --> 01:13:36,878 Send an application to her firm, maybe see new. 2271 01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:38,613 firm, maybe see new. Career, maybe. 2272 01:13:38,615 --> 01:13:39,313 Career, maybe. Do something else. 2273 01:13:39,315 --> 01:13:40,548 Do something else. But okay. 2274 01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:42,950 But okay. So so yes, I would, uh, you 2275 01:13:42,952 --> 01:13:44,885 So so yes, I would, uh, you know, council made the order if 2276 01:13:44,887 --> 01:13:47,088 know, council made the order if that's what the city solicitor 2277 01:13:47,090 --> 01:13:49,023 that's what the city solicitor says, we could just strike that 2278 01:13:49,025 --> 01:13:50,357 says, we could just strike that pot of water uses and keep 2279 01:13:50,359 --> 01:13:51,525 pot of water uses and keep water uses. I don't know if we 2280 01:13:51,527 --> 01:13:53,494 water uses. I don't know if we even needed to keep it, but, 2281 01:13:53,496 --> 01:13:56,430 even needed to keep it, but, um, I would make that motion 2282 01:13:56,432 --> 01:13:57,998 um, I would make that motion again on top of Councillor 2283 01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,033 again on top of Councillor Sullivan's motion. 2284 01:13:59,035 --> 01:13:59,767 Sullivan's motion. Can never get enough. 2285 01:13:59,769 --> 01:14:02,804 Can never get enough. Motion to double the motion. 2286 01:14:02,806 --> 01:14:04,505 Motion to double the motion. Uh, are you all set, counselor? 2287 01:14:04,507 --> 01:14:05,873 Uh, are you all set, counselor? At the moment. I'll have 2288 01:14:05,875 --> 01:14:06,741 At the moment. I'll have another one. 2289 01:14:06,743 --> 01:14:08,642 another one. Okay, I. Counselor, counselor 2290 01:14:08,644 --> 01:14:09,010 Okay, I. Counselor, counselor Toohey. 2291 01:14:09,012 --> 01:14:09,610 Toohey. You are? Well. 2292 01:14:09,612 --> 01:14:09,777 You are? Well. I. 2293 01:14:09,779 --> 01:14:11,178 I. Just wanted to voice my opinion 2294 01:14:11,180 --> 01:14:13,915 Just wanted to voice my opinion because I, um. And it's based 2295 01:14:13,917 --> 01:14:15,015 because I, um. And it's based on the. I really want to beat a 2296 01:14:15,017 --> 01:14:16,117 on the. I really want to beat a dead horse because I don't know 2297 01:14:16,119 --> 01:14:17,051 dead horse because I don't know if I'm the only member up here 2298 01:14:17,053 --> 01:14:18,452 if I'm the only member up here that actually is on septic and, 2299 01:14:18,454 --> 01:14:21,188 that actually is on septic and, well, um. And, Bob. What? Going 2300 01:14:21,190 --> 01:14:23,658 well, um. And, Bob. What? Going back to the effect that Wells 2301 01:14:23,660 --> 01:14:26,293 back to the effect that Wells have, um, what measurable 2302 01:14:26,295 --> 01:14:28,729 have, um, what measurable benefit is achieved by having a 2303 01:14:28,731 --> 01:14:30,397 benefit is achieved by having a restriction, a measurable, 2304 01:14:30,399 --> 01:14:32,132 restriction, a measurable, definitive data that's 2305 01:14:32,134 --> 01:14:33,667 definitive data that's measurable, uh, to put a 2306 01:14:33,669 --> 01:14:34,935 measurable, uh, to put a restriction? I know it's I'm 2307 01:14:34,937 --> 01:14:35,937 restriction? I know it's I'm assuming it's going to pass 2308 01:14:35,939 --> 01:14:37,771 assuming it's going to pass anyway, but I, I have to speak 2309 01:14:37,773 --> 01:14:39,941 anyway, but I, I have to speak tonight. Ask that question. Um, 2310 01:14:39,943 --> 01:14:41,408 tonight. Ask that question. Um, because in my opinion, I think 2311 01:14:41,410 --> 01:14:42,877 because in my opinion, I think if the city is going to 2312 01:14:42,879 --> 01:14:45,679 if the city is going to restrict, um, use of my 2313 01:14:45,681 --> 01:14:47,515 restrict, um, use of my groundwater, um, it should 2314 01:14:47,517 --> 01:14:50,351 groundwater, um, it should identify the groundwater water 2315 01:14:50,353 --> 01:14:51,418 identify the groundwater water resource that's actually 2316 01:14:51,420 --> 01:14:52,720 resource that's actually affected. I'm not quite sure 2317 01:14:52,722 --> 01:14:54,755 affected. I'm not quite sure you can actually do that, but 2318 01:14:54,757 --> 01:14:56,757 you can actually do that, but in the future, if that, this 2319 01:14:56,759 --> 01:14:58,692 in the future, if that, this comes back, then that really 2320 01:14:58,694 --> 01:15:00,761 comes back, then that really should happen. I want to 2321 01:15:00,763 --> 01:15:02,563 should happen. I want to commend Councillor Rogers and 2322 01:15:02,565 --> 01:15:03,698 commend Councillor Rogers and certainly Councillor Sullivan, 2323 01:15:03,700 --> 01:15:05,499 certainly Councillor Sullivan, because this without a doubt 2324 01:15:05,501 --> 01:15:07,368 because this without a doubt for me personally is an 2325 01:15:07,370 --> 01:15:08,903 for me personally is an overreach, no question about 2326 01:15:08,905 --> 01:15:10,838 overreach, no question about it. Um, so if you can answer 2327 01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:12,473 it. Um, so if you can answer that question for me tonight, 2328 01:15:12,475 --> 01:15:13,607 that question for me tonight, if you can't, then you can 2329 01:15:13,609 --> 01:15:14,408 if you can't, then you can certainly give it to me in 2330 01:15:14,410 --> 01:15:15,776 certainly give it to me in another day. But what 2331 01:15:15,778 --> 01:15:17,712 another day. But what measurable benefit is achieved 2332 01:15:17,714 --> 01:15:20,648 measurable benefit is achieved if, in fact, this was, uh, if 2333 01:15:20,650 --> 01:15:22,616 if, in fact, this was, uh, if this was to stay in.. 2334 01:15:22,618 --> 01:15:25,720 this was to stay in.. So I'm we don't have any data 2335 01:15:25,722 --> 01:15:27,188 So I'm we don't have any data or any numbers for you for 2336 01:15:27,190 --> 01:15:29,056 or any numbers for you for that. So that was something 2337 01:15:29,058 --> 01:15:31,392 that. So that was something that was, was. 2338 01:15:31,394 --> 01:15:32,627 that was, was. Brought up. 2339 01:15:32,629 --> 01:15:34,128 Brought up. Yeah. And, and I certainly and 2340 01:15:34,130 --> 01:15:35,129 Yeah. And, and I certainly and I, and I commend, I want to 2341 01:15:35,131 --> 01:15:36,597 I, and I commend, I want to commend the, the subcommittee 2342 01:15:36,599 --> 01:15:37,731 commend the, the subcommittee but at the same time what I 2343 01:15:37,733 --> 01:15:39,967 but at the same time what I don't like what's could happen 2344 01:15:39,969 --> 01:15:42,469 don't like what's could happen here tonight is pitting pitting 2345 01:15:42,471 --> 01:15:43,738 here tonight is pitting pitting citizens against each other. 2346 01:15:43,740 --> 01:15:45,005 citizens against each other. That's not what heroes all 2347 01:15:45,007 --> 01:15:46,541 That's not what heroes all about. So I'm not in favor of 2348 01:15:46,543 --> 01:15:48,543 about. So I'm not in favor of that. But I want to commend all 2349 01:15:48,545 --> 01:15:50,110 that. But I want to commend all of my colleagues that will 2350 01:15:50,112 --> 01:15:52,079 of my colleagues that will support the motion, uh, this 2351 01:15:52,081 --> 01:15:53,214 support the motion, uh, this evening, because that should 2352 01:15:53,216 --> 01:15:54,148 evening, because that should happen if you're going to do 2353 01:15:54,150 --> 01:15:56,150 happen if you're going to do that on private wells now or in 2354 01:15:56,152 --> 01:15:57,351 that on private wells now or in the future. You should they 2355 01:15:57,353 --> 01:15:58,752 the future. You should they should be data to support that 2356 01:15:58,754 --> 01:15:59,820 should be data to support that that information, without a 2357 01:15:59,822 --> 01:16:00,788 that information, without a doubt. Thank you, Mr. 2358 01:16:00,790 --> 01:16:01,322 doubt. Thank you, Mr. President. 2359 01:16:01,324 --> 01:16:02,690 President. Thank you. Councillor Toohey. 2360 01:16:02,692 --> 01:16:04,224 Thank you. Councillor Toohey. Um, so I'll just add my quick 2361 01:16:04,226 --> 01:16:05,693 Um, so I'll just add my quick $0.02 on this one. I appreciate 2362 01:16:05,695 --> 01:16:06,727 $0.02 on this one. I appreciate the comments from all my 2363 01:16:06,729 --> 01:16:09,897 the comments from all my colleagues, and I do appreciate 2364 01:16:09,899 --> 01:16:10,697 colleagues, and I do appreciate the efforts from the 2365 01:16:10,699 --> 01:16:12,033 the efforts from the subcommittee to look at 2366 01:16:12,035 --> 01:16:13,500 subcommittee to look at conservation efforts. I think 2367 01:16:13,502 --> 01:16:14,568 conservation efforts. I think we need to we've talked about 2368 01:16:14,570 --> 01:16:16,037 we need to we've talked about this at previous meetings and 2369 01:16:16,039 --> 01:16:17,871 this at previous meetings and do what we can. That said, to 2370 01:16:17,873 --> 01:16:18,839 do what we can. That said, to the points that a few people 2371 01:16:18,841 --> 01:16:20,541 the points that a few people have made, I did get the email 2372 01:16:20,543 --> 01:16:21,776 have made, I did get the email from Mr. Cetera as well. I 2373 01:16:21,778 --> 01:16:23,244 from Mr. Cetera as well. I actually forwarded it to Mr. 2374 01:16:23,246 --> 01:16:25,446 actually forwarded it to Mr. Ward. Um, I thought some good 2375 01:16:25,448 --> 01:16:26,714 Ward. Um, I thought some good points were made, and then I 2376 01:16:26,716 --> 01:16:28,182 points were made, and then I had the conversation obviously 2377 01:16:28,184 --> 01:16:29,517 had the conversation obviously with you earlier today, Bob, 2378 01:16:29,519 --> 01:16:30,718 with you earlier today, Bob, asking basically that same 2379 01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:32,119 asking basically that same question, does would this have 2380 01:16:32,121 --> 01:16:33,320 question, does would this have a measurable impact? And that 2381 01:16:33,322 --> 01:16:34,822 a measurable impact? And that was the answer I got that we 2382 01:16:34,824 --> 01:16:35,689 was the answer I got that we don't believe it would have a 2383 01:16:35,691 --> 01:16:37,591 don't believe it would have a measurable impact. So for that 2384 01:16:37,593 --> 01:16:38,692 measurable impact. So for that reason I'm going to vote to 2385 01:16:38,694 --> 01:16:40,461 reason I'm going to vote to exclude Wells. Um, so the 2386 01:16:40,463 --> 01:16:42,863 exclude Wells. Um, so the motion to exclude Wells was 2387 01:16:42,865 --> 01:16:44,198 motion to exclude Wells was made by Councillor Sullivan, 2388 01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:46,000 made by Councillor Sullivan, seconded by Councillor Diodati. 2389 01:16:46,002 --> 01:16:47,134 seconded by Councillor Diodati. Madam clerk, please call the 2390 01:16:47,136 --> 01:16:49,103 Madam clerk, please call the roll on that one item. 2391 01:16:49,105 --> 01:16:50,404 roll on that one item. Vice President Mitchinson. 2392 01:16:50,406 --> 01:16:50,871 Vice President Mitchinson. Yes. 2393 01:16:50,873 --> 01:16:52,440 Yes. Councillor. Batchelor. 2394 01:16:52,442 --> 01:16:53,140 Councillor. Batchelor. Yes. 2395 01:16:53,142 --> 01:16:54,842 Yes. Councillor. Diodati. Yes. 2396 01:16:54,844 --> 01:16:56,276 Councillor. Diodati. Yes. Councillor. Sullivan. Yes. 2397 01:16:56,278 --> 01:16:57,078 Councillor. Sullivan. Yes. Councillor. Ferreira. 2398 01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:57,712 Councillor. Ferreira. No. 2399 01:16:57,714 --> 01:16:58,779 No. Councillor. Toohey. 2400 01:16:58,781 --> 01:16:59,313 Councillor. Toohey. Yes. 2401 01:16:59,315 --> 01:17:00,981 Yes. Councillor McGonagle. Yes. 2402 01:17:00,983 --> 01:17:02,617 Councillor McGonagle. Yes. Councillor LePage. Yes. 2403 01:17:02,619 --> 01:17:04,318 Councillor LePage. Yes. Councillor Rogers. Yes. And 2404 01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:05,286 Councillor Rogers. Yes. And President. Jordan. 2405 01:17:05,288 --> 01:17:06,020 President. Jordan. Yes. 2406 01:17:06,022 --> 01:17:10,057 Yes. Uh. Nine years. 009 years. One 2407 01:17:10,059 --> 01:17:11,092 Uh. Nine years. 009 years. One nay one absent. 2408 01:17:11,094 --> 01:17:11,392 nay one absent. Okay. 2409 01:17:11,394 --> 01:17:13,160 Okay. So Wells are excluded. Uh, 2410 01:17:13,162 --> 01:17:13,961 So Wells are excluded. Uh, Councillor Rogers, do you. 2411 01:17:13,963 --> 01:17:14,295 Councillor Rogers, do you. Have a. 2412 01:17:14,297 --> 01:17:15,363 Have a. I want to make another motion. 2413 01:17:15,365 --> 01:17:15,963 I want to make another motion. Okay. 2414 01:17:15,965 --> 01:17:16,830 Okay. Because if we're going to make 2415 01:17:16,832 --> 01:17:17,765 Because if we're going to make changes in here, we have to 2416 01:17:17,767 --> 01:17:18,999 changes in here, we have to make a motion to correct. So 2417 01:17:19,001 --> 01:17:20,434 make a motion to correct. So yeah, I'd like to make two. One 2418 01:17:20,436 --> 01:17:25,039 yeah, I'd like to make two. One of them is 25 200 and 50-25 2419 01:17:25,041 --> 01:17:26,840 of them is 25 200 and 50-25 baseline seasonal conservation. 2420 01:17:26,842 --> 01:17:27,908 baseline seasonal conservation. I don't think we need that in 2421 01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:28,942 I don't think we need that in there because I don't think we 2422 01:17:28,944 --> 01:17:30,878 there because I don't think we should be telling people if 2423 01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:32,113 should be telling people if it's raining all the time, that 2424 01:17:32,115 --> 01:17:33,581 it's raining all the time, that they can only water between a 2425 01:17:33,583 --> 01:17:34,582 they can only water between a certain time frame, I don't 2426 01:17:34,584 --> 01:17:35,416 certain time frame, I don't think that should be part of 2427 01:17:35,418 --> 01:17:36,183 think that should be part of what we're doing, because 2428 01:17:36,185 --> 01:17:37,584 what we're doing, because nobody's going to oversee that. 2429 01:17:37,586 --> 01:17:38,519 nobody's going to oversee that. If you want to read that. And 2430 01:17:38,521 --> 01:17:39,353 If you want to read that. And the other one, I want. 2431 01:17:39,355 --> 01:17:40,588 the other one, I want. To. Sorry. 2432 01:17:40,590 --> 01:17:41,022 To. Sorry. Let's. 2433 01:17:41,024 --> 01:17:42,256 Let's. Let's I want to be clear. 2434 01:17:42,258 --> 01:17:44,258 Let's I want to be clear. Do you want to comment on this. 2435 01:17:44,260 --> 01:17:45,159 Do you want to comment on this. or one motion. 2436 01:17:45,161 --> 01:17:45,493 or one motion. At a time. 2437 01:17:45,495 --> 01:17:48,595 At a time. Yeah. Sorry. So 200 and 50-25 2438 01:17:48,597 --> 01:17:50,064 Yeah. Sorry. So 200 and 50-25 baseline seasonal conservation. 2439 01:17:50,066 --> 01:17:51,098 baseline seasonal conservation. I don't know if we need any of 2440 01:17:51,100 --> 01:17:52,900 I don't know if we need any of that there. We need a baseline. 2441 01:17:52,902 --> 01:17:55,469 that there. We need a baseline. There. I'm going to ask Bob do 2442 01:17:55,471 --> 01:17:56,804 There. I'm going to ask Bob do you need have you had one 2443 01:17:56,806 --> 01:17:58,239 you need have you had one before. 2444 01:17:58,241 --> 01:18:00,908 before. So the triggers if you go down 2445 01:18:00,910 --> 01:18:04,878 So the triggers if you go down it does allow us uh flexibility 2446 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,414 it does allow us uh flexibility that if we get in the drought 2447 01:18:06,416 --> 01:18:09,983 that if we get in the drought watch zone, um, it does allow 2448 01:18:09,985 --> 01:18:13,287 watch zone, um, it does allow us the flexibility to do that 2449 01:18:13,289 --> 01:18:15,956 us the flexibility to do that very thing. If we get into this 2450 01:18:15,958 --> 01:18:21,295 very thing. If we get into this so we don't. Down in 250-25.2. 2451 01:18:21,297 --> 01:18:23,297 so we don't. Down in 250-25.2. Um, if you look at the action, 2452 01:18:23,299 --> 01:18:24,832 Um, if you look at the action, it's very similar. If we start 2453 01:18:24,834 --> 01:18:26,300 it's very similar. If we start to drop down and we get into 2454 01:18:26,302 --> 01:18:28,001 to drop down and we get into that drop drought watch zone, 2455 01:18:28,003 --> 01:18:29,470 that drop drought watch zone, which is going down. 2456 01:18:29,472 --> 01:18:29,904 which is going down. Yeah. 2457 01:18:29,906 --> 01:18:32,639 Yeah. We can we have the. you read in 2458 01:18:32,641 --> 01:18:34,975 We can we have the. you read in there that we can implement uh, 2459 01:18:34,977 --> 01:18:37,111 there that we can implement uh, May 15th through September 2460 01:18:37,113 --> 01:18:37,712 May 15th through September 30th. 2461 01:18:37,714 --> 01:18:38,846 30th. The first drought. 2462 01:18:38,848 --> 01:18:39,113 The first drought. Yeah. 2463 01:18:39,115 --> 01:18:39,546 Yeah. Same thing. 2464 01:18:39,548 --> 01:18:40,914 Same thing. First drought out is the same 2465 01:18:40,916 --> 01:18:41,681 First drought out is the same thing. It doesn't need to 2466 01:18:41,683 --> 01:18:43,050 thing. It doesn't need to happen when we have no drought. 2467 01:18:43,052 --> 01:18:44,050 happen when we have no drought. That's what I'm saying. That's 2468 01:18:44,052 --> 01:18:44,719 That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. So I'm 2469 01:18:44,721 --> 01:18:45,886 what I'm saying. So I'm thinking that paragraph doesn't 2470 01:18:45,888 --> 01:18:47,655 thinking that paragraph doesn't need I legally I'm not a legal 2471 01:18:47,657 --> 01:18:48,723 need I legally I'm not a legal person, but it doesn't need to 2472 01:18:48,725 --> 01:18:49,122 person, but it doesn't need to be in there. 2473 01:18:49,124 --> 01:18:50,391 be in there. But. 2474 01:18:50,393 --> 01:18:51,925 But. I think you if you want to make 2475 01:18:51,927 --> 01:18:52,860 I think you if you want to make that motion. 2476 01:18:52,862 --> 01:18:54,795 that motion. Yeah, I'll make that motion. 2477 01:18:54,797 --> 01:18:55,830 Yeah, I'll make that motion. Second. 2478 01:18:55,832 --> 01:18:57,064 Second. So your motion, just so I 2479 01:18:57,066 --> 01:19:00,167 So your motion, just so I understand it, is to remove. 2480 01:19:00,169 --> 01:19:00,701 understand it, is to remove. The to. 2481 01:19:00,703 --> 01:19:01,635 The to. The baseline. 2482 01:19:01,637 --> 01:19:03,771 The baseline. CFD division. 2483 01:19:03,773 --> 01:19:05,506 CFD division. 250-25. 2484 01:19:05,508 --> 01:19:07,241 250-25. But just so I understand it the 2485 01:19:07,243 --> 01:19:09,243 But just so I understand it the way it is here right now, it 2486 01:19:09,245 --> 01:19:11,278 way it is here right now, it only takes effect if we are if 2487 01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:12,613 only takes effect if we are if we are in even a drought watch 2488 01:19:12,615 --> 01:19:14,314 we are in even a drought watch or. Now. No, this would be 2489 01:19:14,316 --> 01:19:14,482 or. Now. No, this would be just. 2490 01:19:14,484 --> 01:19:15,216 just. To this year. 2491 01:19:15,218 --> 01:19:16,517 To this year. All year round, all the time. 2492 01:19:16,519 --> 01:19:17,384 All year round, all the time. All the time. It's all the 2493 01:19:17,386 --> 01:19:17,551 All the time. It's all the time. 2494 01:19:17,553 --> 01:19:18,852 time. And and I would just say as 2495 01:19:18,854 --> 01:19:20,554 And and I would just say as part of that motion, um, give 2496 01:19:20,556 --> 01:19:22,223 part of that motion, um, give us the authority to renumber 2497 01:19:22,225 --> 01:19:25,392 us the authority to renumber accordingly. If it passes. 2498 01:19:25,394 --> 01:19:26,494 accordingly. If it passes. This is when it's not a 2499 01:19:26,496 --> 01:19:27,128 This is when it's not a drought. 2500 01:19:27,130 --> 01:19:28,195 drought. Right. 2501 01:19:28,197 --> 01:19:30,197 Right. We have plenty of rain there. 2502 01:19:30,199 --> 01:19:31,532 We have plenty of rain there. That's what this that that. 2503 01:19:31,534 --> 01:19:31,999 That's what this that that. Is there. 2504 01:19:32,001 --> 01:19:35,102 Is there. It's basically deleting. 2505 01:19:35,104 --> 01:19:37,571 It's basically deleting. 250-25 gotcha. 2506 01:19:37,573 --> 01:19:38,605 250-25 gotcha. Uh, motion was made by 2507 01:19:38,607 --> 01:19:40,040 Uh, motion was made by Councillor Rogers, second from 2508 01:19:40,042 --> 01:19:41,975 Councillor Rogers, second from Councillor Toohey. Councillor 2509 01:19:41,977 --> 01:19:42,676 Councillor Toohey. Councillor Ferreira. 2510 01:19:42,678 --> 01:19:44,178 Ferreira. Um, so the thought process 2511 01:19:44,180 --> 01:19:47,047 Um, so the thought process behind that piece of it was to 2512 01:19:47,049 --> 01:19:49,249 behind that piece of it was to delay the need to get to the 2513 01:19:49,251 --> 01:19:50,984 delay the need to get to the drought status warnings by 2514 01:19:50,986 --> 01:19:53,520 drought status warnings by practicing conservation between 2515 01:19:53,522 --> 01:19:54,755 practicing conservation between May and September, when people 2516 01:19:54,757 --> 01:19:56,356 May and September, when people water. If we're getting plenty 2517 01:19:56,358 --> 01:19:57,458 water. If we're getting plenty of rain, you generally don't 2518 01:19:57,460 --> 01:19:58,926 of rain, you generally don't water. And that was the data 2519 01:19:58,928 --> 01:20:00,194 water. And that was the data that Bob has shown us many 2520 01:20:00,196 --> 01:20:01,795 that Bob has shown us many times wet years versus dry 2521 01:20:01,797 --> 01:20:02,896 times wet years versus dry years, and our water 2522 01:20:02,898 --> 01:20:04,665 years, and our water consumption. So the thought to 2523 01:20:04,667 --> 01:20:06,667 consumption. So the thought to include that was to have it be 2524 01:20:06,669 --> 01:20:07,801 include that was to have it be a general conservation 2525 01:20:07,803 --> 01:20:10,103 a general conservation practice, may to September of 2526 01:20:10,105 --> 01:20:11,605 practice, may to September of watering at the most efficient 2527 01:20:11,607 --> 01:20:12,807 watering at the most efficient times of the day to water 2528 01:20:12,809 --> 01:20:15,609 times of the day to water before 9 a.m. and after 5 p.m., 2529 01:20:15,611 --> 01:20:17,811 before 9 a.m. and after 5 p.m., so that we could delay further 2530 01:20:17,813 --> 01:20:20,147 so that we could delay further more stringent drought measures 2531 01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:21,882 more stringent drought measures by hopefully conserving earlier 2532 01:20:21,884 --> 01:20:22,483 by hopefully conserving earlier on. 2533 01:20:22,485 --> 01:20:23,617 on. Thank you. Thank you, 2534 01:20:23,619 --> 01:20:25,352 Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Ferreira. I don't 2535 01:20:25,354 --> 01:20:26,286 Councillor Ferreira. I don't see any of the lights on, but 2536 01:20:26,288 --> 01:20:27,154 see any of the lights on, but I'm just going to say I agree 2537 01:20:27,156 --> 01:20:29,289 I'm just going to say I agree with her on that one. That's I 2538 01:20:29,291 --> 01:20:30,958 with her on that one. That's I will be voting against removing 2539 01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,160 will be voting against removing this personally. Uh, no, the 2540 01:20:33,162 --> 01:20:35,229 this personally. Uh, no, the lights are on. So the motion to 2541 01:20:35,231 --> 01:20:38,699 lights are on. So the motion to remove 250 .25 was made by 2542 01:20:38,701 --> 01:20:39,900 remove 250 .25 was made by Councillor Rogers, second by 2543 01:20:39,902 --> 01:20:41,468 Councillor Rogers, second by Councillor Tsui. Madam clerk, 2544 01:20:41,470 --> 01:20:42,570 Councillor Tsui. Madam clerk, please call the roll. 2545 01:20:42,572 --> 01:20:44,004 please call the roll. Uh, should the motion include 2546 01:20:44,006 --> 01:20:44,705 Uh, should the motion include the portion about the 2547 01:20:44,707 --> 01:20:45,906 the portion about the renumbering of the ordinance? 2548 01:20:45,908 --> 01:20:54,514 renumbering of the ordinance? Yes. Okay. All right. Vice 2549 01:20:54,516 --> 01:20:55,716 Yes. Okay. All right. Vice President. Mitchinson. 2550 01:20:55,718 --> 01:20:56,283 President. Mitchinson. No. 2551 01:20:56,285 --> 01:20:57,518 No. Councillor. Basilar? 2552 01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:58,219 Councillor. Basilar? No. 2553 01:20:58,221 --> 01:21:00,120 No. Councillor. Diodati. No. 2554 01:21:00,122 --> 01:21:01,922 Councillor. Diodati. No. Councillor. Sullivan. No. 2555 01:21:01,924 --> 01:21:04,391 Councillor. Sullivan. No. Councillor. Ferreira. No. 2556 01:21:04,393 --> 01:21:06,460 Councillor. Ferreira. No. Councillor. Toohey. Yes. 2557 01:21:06,462 --> 01:21:08,428 Councillor. Toohey. Yes. Councillor McGonigle. No. 2558 01:21:08,430 --> 01:21:09,730 Councillor McGonigle. No. Councillor LePage. 2559 01:21:09,732 --> 01:21:10,431 Councillor LePage. No. 2560 01:21:10,433 --> 01:21:12,699 No. Councillor. Rogers. Yes. And 2561 01:21:12,701 --> 01:21:16,270 Councillor. Rogers. Yes. And President. Jordan. No. Uh nine. 2562 01:21:16,272 --> 01:21:20,741 President. Jordan. No. Uh nine. No. Eight. Sorry. Two yeas. 2563 01:21:20,743 --> 01:21:22,243 No. Eight. Sorry. Two yeas. Eight nays. One absent. 2564 01:21:22,245 --> 01:21:24,611 Eight nays. One absent. All right. So that fails. Do we 2565 01:21:24,613 --> 01:21:25,346 All right. So that fails. Do we have other? 2566 01:21:25,348 --> 01:21:26,046 have other? Yeah. One more. 2567 01:21:26,048 --> 01:21:27,081 Yeah. One more. Go ahead, councillor Rogers. 2568 01:21:27,083 --> 01:21:28,815 Go ahead, councillor Rogers. I'm uncomfortable with letting 2569 01:21:28,817 --> 01:21:30,617 I'm uncomfortable with letting people go on people's private. 2570 01:21:30,619 --> 01:21:31,551 people go on people's private. I don't know if we still going 2571 01:21:31,553 --> 01:21:32,452 I don't know if we still going to do that. Go on. People's 2572 01:21:32,454 --> 01:21:34,622 to do that. Go on. People's private. Uh, that's the. I'll 2573 01:21:34,624 --> 01:21:35,689 private. Uh, that's the. I'll tell you which one. I'm. I'm 2574 01:21:35,691 --> 01:21:40,094 tell you which one. I'm. I'm comfortable with is, uh, two 2575 01:21:40,096 --> 01:21:44,999 comfortable with is, uh, two 5250 24. C one c. 2576 01:21:45,001 --> 01:21:52,239 5250 24. C one c. What is it? 2577 01:21:52,241 --> 01:21:53,606 What is it? And I don't know if that that 2578 01:21:53,608 --> 01:21:56,944 And I don't know if that that would have to be rewritten. 2579 01:21:56,946 --> 01:21:57,978 would have to be rewritten. Sorry. 2580 01:21:57,980 --> 01:21:58,445 Sorry. You want me. 2581 01:21:58,447 --> 01:21:58,745 You want me. To.. 2582 01:21:58,747 --> 01:22:03,450 To.. I can. Like you. Can I talk 2583 01:22:03,452 --> 01:22:04,518 I can. Like you. Can I talk like to make the motion to 2584 01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:14,261 like to make the motion to strike the line in 250-24.1C. 2585 01:22:14,263 --> 01:22:15,395 strike the line in 250-24.1C. Uh, for the purposes of the 2586 01:22:15,397 --> 01:22:17,130 Uh, for the purposes of the section, only police officers 2587 01:22:17,132 --> 01:22:19,032 section, only police officers and of the city and or agents 2588 01:22:19,034 --> 01:22:19,733 and of the city and or agents of the Board of Water 2589 01:22:19,735 --> 01:22:21,001 of the Board of Water commissioners may enter upon 2590 01:22:21,003 --> 01:22:22,336 commissioners may enter upon any property to enforce this 2591 01:22:22,338 --> 01:22:23,170 any property to enforce this section. 2592 01:22:23,172 --> 01:22:25,472 section. So just removing that one line, 2593 01:22:25,474 --> 01:22:25,706 So just removing that one line, is. 2594 01:22:25,708 --> 01:22:27,007 is. That correct? Yes. And the 2595 01:22:27,009 --> 01:22:28,375 That correct? Yes. And the reason behind it for me, really 2596 01:22:28,377 --> 01:22:29,810 reason behind it for me, really is, is the ambiguity of the 2597 01:22:29,812 --> 01:22:30,811 is, is the ambiguity of the line. It's like, you know, what 2598 01:22:30,813 --> 01:22:31,979 line. It's like, you know, what are we looking at for property? 2599 01:22:31,981 --> 01:22:33,213 are we looking at for property? Are we going into the basement 2600 01:22:33,215 --> 01:22:34,881 Are we going into the basement or like what police can just 2601 01:22:34,883 --> 01:22:36,016 or like what police can just the city people can just show 2602 01:22:36,018 --> 01:22:37,584 the city people can just show up and shut things off? I 2603 01:22:37,586 --> 01:22:38,485 up and shut things off? I really don't like that. I 2604 01:22:38,487 --> 01:22:39,620 really don't like that. I believe that we can work with 2605 01:22:39,622 --> 01:22:41,088 believe that we can work with our homeowners here. Um, if 2606 01:22:41,090 --> 01:22:42,422 our homeowners here. Um, if there are issues and we can 2607 01:22:42,424 --> 01:22:44,224 there are issues and we can correct any thing that we have 2608 01:22:44,226 --> 01:22:46,460 correct any thing that we have going on. So. 2609 01:22:46,462 --> 01:22:47,828 going on. So. That second that. But Bob, does 2610 01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:49,563 That second that. But Bob, does that sound okay? I mean, does 2611 01:22:49,565 --> 01:22:50,964 that sound okay? I mean, does that sound I mean, not I mean, 2612 01:22:50,966 --> 01:22:52,499 that sound I mean, not I mean, okay, in terms of the even the 2613 01:22:52,501 --> 01:22:54,267 okay, in terms of the even the first part of the sentence, 2614 01:22:54,269 --> 01:22:57,438 first part of the sentence, leaving that in. 2615 01:22:57,440 --> 01:22:59,439 leaving that in. I think so, yeah. I think, you 2616 01:22:59,441 --> 01:23:01,241 I think so, yeah. I think, you know, if you have a shut off. 2617 01:23:01,243 --> 01:23:02,909 know, if you have a shut off. So it leaves, uh, shut off 2618 01:23:02,911 --> 01:23:04,811 So it leaves, uh, shut off valve outside the building. 2619 01:23:04,813 --> 01:23:06,212 valve outside the building. aren't they situated? So it 2620 01:23:06,214 --> 01:23:07,981 aren't they situated? So it could be shut off if found in 2621 01:23:07,983 --> 01:23:09,283 could be shut off if found in violation of the audience. 2622 01:23:09,285 --> 01:23:10,584 violation of the audience. But are shut off valves outside 2623 01:23:10,586 --> 01:23:11,251 But are shut off valves outside the building right now? 2624 01:23:11,253 --> 01:23:12,052 the building right now? Anyways, I'm trying to. 2625 01:23:12,054 --> 01:23:13,520 Anyways, I'm trying to. Think some of them very well 2626 01:23:13,522 --> 01:23:15,455 Think some of them very well may have. Yeah, some may not. I 2627 01:23:15,457 --> 01:23:16,790 may have. Yeah, some may not. I don't know. 2628 01:23:16,792 --> 01:23:17,424 don't know. Okay. 2629 01:23:17,426 --> 01:23:19,059 Okay. This would be, you know, for 2630 01:23:19,061 --> 01:23:20,461 This would be, you know, for irrigation systems in 2631 01:23:20,463 --> 01:23:22,863 irrigation systems in particular, but they may, they 2632 01:23:22,865 --> 01:23:25,632 particular, but they may, they may or may not. 2633 01:23:25,634 --> 01:23:26,566 may or may not. Okay. Thank you. 2634 01:23:26,568 --> 01:23:29,103 Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Ferreira. 2635 01:23:29,105 --> 01:23:31,405 Thank you. Councillor Ferreira. Um, do we ever go and shut 2636 01:23:31,407 --> 01:23:32,739 Um, do we ever go and shut people's water off on 2637 01:23:32,741 --> 01:23:36,243 people's water off on properties? 2638 01:23:36,245 --> 01:23:38,278 properties? Shut offs are out in the street 2639 01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:39,813 Shut offs are out in the street right of way. So if we do a 2640 01:23:39,815 --> 01:23:41,348 right of way. So if we do a shut off for non-payment, we 2641 01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:42,649 shut off for non-payment, we don't go on the property. 2642 01:23:42,651 --> 01:23:43,984 don't go on the property. You do it in the right of way. 2643 01:23:43,986 --> 01:23:46,219 You do it in the right of way. Yeah, there's. There's a shut 2644 01:23:46,221 --> 01:23:48,188 Yeah, there's. There's a shut off in the right of way or on 2645 01:23:48,190 --> 01:23:49,923 off in the right of way or on the sidewalk, which is, that's 2646 01:23:49,925 --> 01:23:50,557 the sidewalk, which is, that's in the right of way. 2647 01:23:50,559 --> 01:23:52,592 in the right of way. And then generally speaking, if 2648 01:23:52,594 --> 01:23:56,497 And then generally speaking, if there is a complaint or a 2649 01:23:56,499 --> 01:23:58,999 there is a complaint or a potential violation of any 2650 01:23:59,001 --> 01:24:01,768 potential violation of any sort. Board of health, um, 2651 01:24:01,770 --> 01:24:03,570 sort. Board of health, um, safety, other things like that. 2652 01:24:03,572 --> 01:24:05,439 safety, other things like that. Do city officials have the 2653 01:24:05,441 --> 01:24:06,473 Do city officials have the right to go on to private 2654 01:24:06,475 --> 01:24:11,545 right to go on to private property to inspect that? 2655 01:24:11,547 --> 01:24:13,413 property to inspect that? It depends on what the 2656 01:24:13,415 --> 01:24:14,748 It depends on what the violation is. And typically 2657 01:24:14,750 --> 01:24:15,849 violation is. And typically what we would do is get an 2658 01:24:15,851 --> 01:24:18,218 what we would do is get an order from the court allowing 2659 01:24:18,220 --> 01:24:19,686 order from the court allowing the entry into the private 2660 01:24:19,688 --> 01:24:21,822 the entry into the private property. If it's an emergency 2661 01:24:21,824 --> 01:24:23,657 property. If it's an emergency situation, obviously fire or 2662 01:24:23,659 --> 01:24:24,391 situation, obviously fire or something like that, you don't 2663 01:24:24,393 --> 01:24:26,260 something like that, you don't need a court order, but it's a 2664 01:24:26,262 --> 01:24:27,427 need a court order, but it's a board of health. They can go 2665 01:24:27,429 --> 01:24:28,628 board of health. They can go and see if there's a violation, 2666 01:24:28,630 --> 01:24:29,830 and see if there's a violation, if there's a violation before 2667 01:24:29,832 --> 01:24:31,431 if there's a violation before they enter, then we would get a 2668 01:24:31,433 --> 01:24:32,800 they enter, then we would get a court order, an administrative 2669 01:24:32,802 --> 01:24:35,435 court order, an administrative order allowing the entry. So in 2670 01:24:35,437 --> 01:24:37,604 order allowing the entry. So in this instance, you could if 2671 01:24:37,606 --> 01:24:40,373 this instance, you could if there's a violation, you could 2672 01:24:40,375 --> 01:24:41,608 there's a violation, you could get an administrative order as 2673 01:24:41,610 --> 01:24:41,942 get an administrative order as well. 2674 01:24:41,944 --> 01:24:43,343 well. Right. Because it would be 2675 01:24:43,345 --> 01:24:44,611 Right. Because it would be documented at that point. 2676 01:24:44,613 --> 01:24:46,113 documented at that point. Violations would be documented 2677 01:24:46,115 --> 01:24:48,148 Violations would be documented because that's in the ordinance 2678 01:24:48,150 --> 01:24:50,383 because that's in the ordinance existing right of using it when 2679 01:24:50,385 --> 01:24:51,685 existing right of using it when we're not supposed to. 2680 01:24:51,687 --> 01:24:54,121 we're not supposed to. So they're actually so if the 2681 01:24:54,123 --> 01:24:58,492 So they're actually so if the in at the end, it's section 2682 01:24:58,494 --> 01:25:01,628 in at the end, it's section 250-29, um, violations and 2683 01:25:01,630 --> 01:25:03,497 250-29, um, violations and penalties, section B uh, 2684 01:25:03,499 --> 01:25:05,699 penalties, section B uh, actually not sections. Um 2685 01:25:05,701 --> 01:25:07,901 actually not sections. Um section eight part section 2686 01:25:07,903 --> 01:25:11,571 section eight part section four. Um, fourth violation. 2687 01:25:11,573 --> 01:25:13,640 four. Um, fourth violation. Subsequent violations 300 all 2688 01:25:13,642 --> 01:25:15,208 Subsequent violations 300 all of fine and may be subject to 2689 01:25:15,210 --> 01:25:16,710 of fine and may be subject to termination of water service. 2690 01:25:16,712 --> 01:25:18,579 termination of water service. So that's in there as well. 2691 01:25:18,581 --> 01:25:20,113 So that's in there as well. Could I that's termination of 2692 01:25:20,115 --> 01:25:21,481 Could I that's termination of service though. The other one 2693 01:25:21,483 --> 01:25:23,617 service though. The other one is specific to irrigation. 2694 01:25:23,619 --> 01:25:26,386 is specific to irrigation. Right. Could I also ask you, 2695 01:25:26,388 --> 01:25:28,188 Right. Could I also ask you, since we did start finding 2696 01:25:28,190 --> 01:25:30,323 since we did start finding people this past summer for 2697 01:25:30,325 --> 01:25:33,193 people this past summer for using water, when we said the 2698 01:25:33,195 --> 01:25:34,594 using water, when we said the proper levels were in place to 2699 01:25:34,596 --> 01:25:36,730 proper levels were in place to not use water? Um, did you have 2700 01:25:36,732 --> 01:25:38,899 not use water? Um, did you have many repeat offenders? 2701 01:25:38,901 --> 01:25:40,567 many repeat offenders? We had quite a few repeat 2702 01:25:40,569 --> 01:25:41,835 We had quite a few repeat offenders. Um. 2703 01:25:41,837 --> 01:25:45,505 offenders. Um. And do you have an idea of the 2704 01:25:45,507 --> 01:25:47,741 And do you have an idea of the amount of money and fines that 2705 01:25:47,743 --> 01:25:49,309 amount of money and fines that were sent out? 2706 01:25:49,311 --> 01:25:51,211 were sent out? I do know that, but I don't 2707 01:25:51,213 --> 01:25:53,079 I do know that, but I don't have the numbers committed to 2708 01:25:53,081 --> 01:25:55,215 have the numbers committed to memory. I just, um, the mayor 2709 01:25:55,217 --> 01:25:56,616 memory. I just, um, the mayor and I talked about that just 2710 01:25:56,618 --> 01:25:58,084 and I talked about that just within the last few weeks, but 2711 01:25:58,086 --> 01:25:59,286 within the last few weeks, but I don't remember the numbers 2712 01:25:59,288 --> 01:26:00,754 I don't remember the numbers off the top of my head. If you 2713 01:26:00,756 --> 01:26:01,922 off the top of my head. If you want them, I can get them to 2714 01:26:01,924 --> 01:26:02,289 want them, I can get them to you. 2715 01:26:02,291 --> 01:26:03,557 you. I think that would be great. 2716 01:26:03,559 --> 01:26:06,893 I think that would be great. I can say, though, that, um, 2717 01:26:06,895 --> 01:26:08,762 I can say, though, that, um, one of the recent weekends may 2718 01:26:08,764 --> 01:26:10,764 one of the recent weekends may be Labor Day weekend. We it 2719 01:26:10,766 --> 01:26:13,900 be Labor Day weekend. We it was. I think we gave out like 2720 01:26:13,902 --> 01:26:16,703 was. I think we gave out like $700 in fines. And then another 2721 01:26:16,705 --> 01:26:19,539 $700 in fines. And then another recent weekend, another 500. So 2722 01:26:19,541 --> 01:26:22,176 recent weekend, another 500. So it's it's still happening. Um. 2723 01:26:22,178 --> 01:26:23,977 it's it's still happening. Um. Thank you. 2724 01:26:23,979 --> 01:26:27,280 Thank you. Oh, counselor. Yes. Okay. So 2725 01:26:27,282 --> 01:26:28,382 Oh, counselor. Yes. Okay. So correct me if I'm wrong. The 2726 01:26:28,384 --> 01:26:29,583 correct me if I'm wrong. The motion now is from Councillor 2727 01:26:29,585 --> 01:26:31,251 motion now is from Councillor Diodati, seconded by Councillor 2728 01:26:31,253 --> 01:26:39,859 Diodati, seconded by Councillor Rogers to strike 250 .241 C, 2729 01:26:39,861 --> 01:26:42,229 Rogers to strike 250 .241 C, specifically the line for the 2730 01:26:42,231 --> 01:26:44,531 specifically the line for the purposes of this section, only 2731 01:26:44,533 --> 01:26:46,633 purposes of this section, only police officers of the city and 2732 01:26:46,635 --> 01:26:48,535 police officers of the city and or agents of the Board of Water 2733 01:26:48,537 --> 01:26:50,537 or agents of the Board of Water Commissioners may enter upon 2734 01:26:50,539 --> 01:26:51,872 Commissioners may enter upon any property to enforce the 2735 01:26:51,874 --> 01:26:53,073 any property to enforce the section. That's the motion. 2736 01:26:53,075 --> 01:26:54,141 section. That's the motion. Just to remove that one line. 2737 01:26:54,143 --> 01:26:55,308 Just to remove that one line. Correct? Correct. And and 2738 01:26:55,310 --> 01:26:56,810 Correct? Correct. And and that's the second. Madam clerk, 2739 01:26:56,812 --> 01:26:57,811 that's the second. Madam clerk, please call the roll. 2740 01:26:57,813 --> 01:26:59,112 please call the roll. Vice president. Mitchinson. 2741 01:26:59,114 --> 01:26:59,846 Vice president. Mitchinson. Yes. 2742 01:26:59,848 --> 01:27:01,715 Yes. Councillor. Bachelier. Yes. 2743 01:27:01,717 --> 01:27:03,183 Councillor. Bachelier. Yes. Councillor. Diodati. Yes. 2744 01:27:03,185 --> 01:27:04,784 Councillor. Diodati. Yes. Councillor. Sullivan. No. 2745 01:27:04,786 --> 01:27:06,820 Councillor. Sullivan. No. Councillor. Ferreira. No. 2746 01:27:06,822 --> 01:27:07,921 Councillor. Ferreira. No. Councillor. Tui. 2747 01:27:07,923 --> 01:27:09,422 Councillor. Tui. Yes. 2748 01:27:09,424 --> 01:27:10,724 Yes. Councillor McGonigle. 2749 01:27:10,726 --> 01:27:13,727 Councillor McGonigle. Yes. 2750 01:27:13,729 --> 01:27:16,063 Yes. Councillor LePage. 2751 01:27:16,065 --> 01:27:16,730 Councillor LePage. Yes. 2752 01:27:16,732 --> 01:27:19,099 Yes. Councillor Rogers and President 2753 01:27:19,101 --> 01:27:21,301 Councillor Rogers and President Jordan. Yes. Eight. Two nays. 2754 01:27:21,303 --> 01:27:22,135 Jordan. Yes. Eight. Two nays. One absent. 2755 01:27:22,137 --> 01:27:24,437 One absent. So that one line is stricken 2756 01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:26,106 So that one line is stricken from the ordinance. Do we have 2757 01:27:26,108 --> 01:27:28,108 from the ordinance. Do we have any other suggestions? 2758 01:27:28,110 --> 01:27:29,509 any other suggestions? Councillor LePage? 2759 01:27:29,511 --> 01:27:31,111 Councillor LePage? Uh, just a quick. I believe 2760 01:27:31,113 --> 01:27:35,382 Uh, just a quick. I believe it's a script, as ever. On 2761 01:27:35,384 --> 01:27:40,587 it's a script, as ever. On 250-25.1. And the third line 2762 01:27:40,589 --> 01:27:42,322 250-25.1. And the third line says adequate supply of water 2763 01:27:42,324 --> 01:27:44,457 says adequate supply of water to all water consumers. I think 2764 01:27:44,459 --> 01:27:45,592 to all water consumers. I think the definition is actually 2765 01:27:45,594 --> 01:27:47,261 the definition is actually customers. I think it's left 2766 01:27:47,263 --> 01:27:50,263 customers. I think it's left over from the past ordinance. 2767 01:27:50,265 --> 01:27:52,332 over from the past ordinance. So just to make them line up. 2768 01:27:52,334 --> 01:27:55,068 So just to make them line up. I'll second that motion. 2769 01:27:55,070 --> 01:27:57,671 I'll second that motion. A motion from Councillor 2770 01:27:57,673 --> 01:27:59,539 A motion from Councillor Sullivan. Excuse me, LePage, 2771 01:27:59,541 --> 01:28:03,777 Sullivan. Excuse me, LePage, second from Councillor Sullivan. 2772 01:28:03,779 --> 01:28:05,245 second from Councillor Sullivan. Madam clerk, please call the 2773 01:28:05,247 --> 01:28:05,512 Madam clerk, please call the roll. 2774 01:28:05,514 --> 01:28:06,113 roll. Just give me. 2775 01:28:06,115 --> 01:28:06,947 Just give me. One more. Sorry. 2776 01:28:06,949 --> 01:28:15,522 One more. Sorry. Take your time. Uh. Rather. 2777 01:28:15,524 --> 01:28:17,724 Take your time. Uh. Rather. Can I ask what that motion was? 2778 01:28:17,726 --> 01:28:20,594 Can I ask what that motion was? Was it? 2779 01:28:20,596 --> 01:28:22,763 Was it? It's consumer to customer? 2780 01:28:22,765 --> 01:28:23,797 It's consumer to customer? You said yes. 2781 01:28:23,799 --> 01:28:24,965 You said yes. Oh, yes. 2782 01:28:24,967 --> 01:28:26,633 Oh, yes. I want to make it customer. 2783 01:28:26,635 --> 01:28:27,234 I want to make it customer. Because that's. 2784 01:28:27,236 --> 01:28:28,601 Because that's. What the. definition is. Yeah, 2785 01:28:28,603 --> 01:28:28,769 What the. definition is. Yeah, yeah. 2786 01:28:28,771 --> 01:28:31,438 yeah. And that's in line three. Okay. 2787 01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:33,673 And that's in line three. Okay. Third line. Okay. Vice 2788 01:28:33,675 --> 01:28:35,642 Third line. Okay. Vice president. Mitchinson. Yes. 2789 01:28:35,644 --> 01:28:37,043 president. Mitchinson. Yes. Councillor. Bachelier. Yes. 2790 01:28:37,045 --> 01:28:38,378 Councillor. Bachelier. Yes. Councillor. Diodati. Yes. 2791 01:28:38,380 --> 01:28:39,546 Councillor. Diodati. Yes. Councillor. Sullivan. Yes. 2792 01:28:39,548 --> 01:28:40,781 Councillor. Sullivan. Yes. Councillor. Ferreira. Yes. 2793 01:28:40,783 --> 01:28:42,449 Councillor. Ferreira. Yes. Councillor. Tuohy. Yes. 2794 01:28:42,451 --> 01:28:43,450 Councillor. Tuohy. Yes. Councillor McGonigle. Yes. 2795 01:28:43,452 --> 01:28:44,984 Councillor McGonigle. Yes. Councillor LePage. Yes. 2796 01:28:44,986 --> 01:28:46,520 Councillor LePage. Yes. Councillor. Rogers. Yes. And 2797 01:28:46,522 --> 01:28:47,988 Councillor. Rogers. Yes. And President. Jordan. Yes. Ten 2798 01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:49,189 President. Jordan. Yes. Ten years. Zero. Nays one. 2799 01:28:49,191 --> 01:28:51,591 years. Zero. Nays one. Absent that passes. 2800 01:28:51,593 --> 01:28:54,361 Absent that passes. Are we voting the entire page? 2801 01:28:54,363 --> 01:28:56,063 Are we voting the entire page? We vote on the entire. 2802 01:28:56,065 --> 01:28:57,330 We vote on the entire. Ready to make a motion to vote 2803 01:28:57,332 --> 01:28:58,699 Ready to make a motion to vote for the. Yep. 2804 01:28:58,701 --> 01:29:00,267 for the. Yep. With all the amendments. 2805 01:29:00,269 --> 01:29:02,102 With all the amendments. Okay. Second motion for 2806 01:29:02,104 --> 01:29:03,970 Okay. Second motion for councillor page. Second from 2807 01:29:03,972 --> 01:29:06,539 councillor page. Second from Councillor Sullivan to vote for 2808 01:29:06,541 --> 01:29:08,742 Councillor Sullivan to vote for the ordinance with the edits 2809 01:29:08,744 --> 01:29:10,944 the ordinance with the edits that we just made. Madam clerk, 2810 01:29:10,946 --> 01:29:12,212 that we just made. Madam clerk, please call the roll. 2811 01:29:12,214 --> 01:29:13,347 please call the roll. You said that was councillor 2812 01:29:13,349 --> 01:29:13,847 You said that was councillor LePage. 2813 01:29:13,849 --> 01:29:15,014 LePage. And then page second from 2814 01:29:15,016 --> 01:29:15,816 And then page second from Councillor Sullivan. 2815 01:29:15,818 --> 01:29:17,550 Councillor Sullivan. Okay. Uh, Vice president 2816 01:29:17,552 --> 01:29:18,952 Okay. Uh, Vice president Mitchinson. Yes. Councillor. 2817 01:29:18,954 --> 01:29:20,420 Mitchinson. Yes. Councillor. Bachelier. Yes. Councillor. 2818 01:29:20,422 --> 01:29:21,721 Bachelier. Yes. Councillor. Diodati. Yes. Councillor. 2819 01:29:21,723 --> 01:29:22,956 Diodati. Yes. Councillor. Sullivan. Yes. Councillor. 2820 01:29:22,958 --> 01:29:24,424 Sullivan. Yes. Councillor. Ferreira. Yes. Councillor. 2821 01:29:24,426 --> 01:29:25,592 Ferreira. Yes. Councillor. Tuohy. Yes. Councillor 2822 01:29:25,594 --> 01:29:26,926 Tuohy. Yes. Councillor McGonigle. Yes. Councillor 2823 01:29:26,928 --> 01:29:28,395 McGonigle. Yes. Councillor LePage. Yes. Councillor. 2824 01:29:28,397 --> 01:29:30,030 LePage. Yes. Councillor. Rogers. Yes. And President. 2825 01:29:30,032 --> 01:29:32,032 Rogers. Yes. And President. Jordan. Yes. Ten years. Zero. 2826 01:29:32,034 --> 01:29:32,599 Jordan. Yes. Ten years. Zero. Nays one. 2827 01:29:32,601 --> 01:29:34,834 Nays one. Absent that passes, I'd just 2828 01:29:34,836 --> 01:29:35,869 Absent that passes, I'd just like to say thanks to everybody 2829 01:29:35,871 --> 01:29:36,836 like to say thanks to everybody who's worked on it. Obviously a 2830 01:29:36,838 --> 01:29:38,505 who's worked on it. Obviously a lot of effort has gone into it. 2831 01:29:38,507 --> 01:29:39,773 lot of effort has gone into it. Meetings with outside groups 2832 01:29:39,775 --> 01:29:40,540 Meetings with outside groups and meetings by the 2833 01:29:40,542 --> 01:29:42,142 and meetings by the subcommittee, and I'm glad that 2834 01:29:42,144 --> 01:29:44,144 subcommittee, and I'm glad that we vetted it here. And now we 2835 01:29:44,146 --> 01:29:45,445 we vetted it here. And now we have an ordinance. Thank you. 2836 01:29:45,447 --> 01:29:46,246 have an ordinance. Thank you. Thank you. 2837 01:29:46,248 --> 01:29:47,747 Thank you. Thank you. Um. 2838 01:29:47,749 --> 01:29:50,317 Thank you. Um. Get up here for a second. No. 2839 01:29:50,319 --> 01:29:52,185 Get up here for a second. No. We closed it out. But go ahead. 2840 01:29:52,187 --> 01:29:56,723 We closed it out. But go ahead. You have two minutes. 2841 01:29:56,725 --> 01:29:58,592 You have two minutes. To enjoy. Thank you for giving 2842 01:29:58,594 --> 01:30:01,594 To enjoy. Thank you for giving me the opportunity. Uh, I'm 2843 01:30:01,596 --> 01:30:02,195 me the opportunity. Uh, I'm going to be brief. 2844 01:30:02,197 --> 01:30:03,563 going to be brief. Yes. Thank you. 2845 01:30:03,565 --> 01:30:05,799 Yes. Thank you. I'd like to ask about a 2846 01:30:05,801 --> 01:30:06,867 I'd like to ask about a watershed in the amount of 2847 01:30:06,869 --> 01:30:08,335 watershed in the amount of water actually moving through 2848 01:30:08,337 --> 01:30:10,203 water actually moving through it. I personally seen beaver 2849 01:30:10,205 --> 01:30:11,738 it. I personally seen beaver dams throughout Hazel that 2850 01:30:11,740 --> 01:30:14,341 dams throughout Hazel that appear to significantly 2851 01:30:14,343 --> 01:30:16,142 appear to significantly restrict in some cases, stop 2852 01:30:16,144 --> 01:30:17,811 restrict in some cases, stop the movement of water through 2853 01:30:17,813 --> 01:30:19,946 the movement of water through streams. Could these 2854 01:30:19,948 --> 01:30:21,414 streams. Could these obstructions be affecting our 2855 01:30:21,416 --> 01:30:23,516 obstructions be affecting our watershed and the amount of 2856 01:30:23,518 --> 01:30:24,717 watershed and the amount of water eventually reaching our 2857 01:30:24,719 --> 01:30:26,453 water eventually reaching our reservoirs? I have some photos 2858 01:30:26,455 --> 01:30:28,555 reservoirs? I have some photos that I took at the these beaver 2859 01:30:28,557 --> 01:30:31,624 that I took at the these beaver dams all over our water supply 2860 01:30:31,626 --> 01:30:33,693 dams all over our water supply system. Streams that have 2861 01:30:33,695 --> 01:30:35,929 system. Streams that have narrowed down to nothing, are 2862 01:30:35,931 --> 01:30:37,664 narrowed down to nothing, are water. Standing still without 2863 01:30:37,666 --> 01:30:39,532 water. Standing still without any types of movement. I know 2864 01:30:39,534 --> 01:30:41,634 any types of movement. I know that there's restrictions on 2865 01:30:41,636 --> 01:30:43,169 that there's restrictions on beaver dams being taken down, 2866 01:30:43,171 --> 01:30:45,839 beaver dams being taken down, but I think maybe this is a 2867 01:30:45,841 --> 01:30:47,140 but I think maybe this is a little bit of a problem that 2868 01:30:47,142 --> 01:30:49,008 little bit of a problem that we're having with water being 2869 01:30:49,010 --> 01:30:50,977 we're having with water being restricted going into Melville, 2870 01:30:50,979 --> 01:30:52,245 restricted going into Melville, and eventually going into 2871 01:30:52,247 --> 01:30:54,714 and eventually going into Canada. So, you know, this one 2872 01:30:54,716 --> 01:30:56,249 Canada. So, you know, this one in particular here on the right 2873 01:30:56,251 --> 01:30:59,052 in particular here on the right hand side, you've got about 2874 01:30:59,054 --> 01:31:01,654 hand side, you've got about 15ft from the left hand side of 2875 01:31:01,656 --> 01:31:02,789 15ft from the left hand side of that photo. So there's two 2876 01:31:02,791 --> 01:31:04,257 that photo. So there's two different there's a one pond 2877 01:31:04,259 --> 01:31:06,392 different there's a one pond going into a ravine and there's 2878 01:31:06,394 --> 01:31:08,528 going into a ravine and there's no water going by there. And 2879 01:31:08,530 --> 01:31:15,268 no water going by there. And next please. Uh, and that's 2880 01:31:15,270 --> 01:31:17,704 next please. Uh, and that's another, uh, beaver dam. That's 2881 01:31:17,706 --> 01:31:19,005 another, uh, beaver dam. That's that water is not moving, not 2882 01:31:19,007 --> 01:31:20,574 that water is not moving, not even an inch. 2883 01:31:20,576 --> 01:31:22,342 even an inch. Where are you? Here. I just 2884 01:31:22,344 --> 01:31:23,176 Where are you? Here. I just didn't hear what you said. You 2885 01:31:23,178 --> 01:31:24,410 didn't hear what you said. You were right. Where's this dam? I 2886 01:31:24,412 --> 01:31:25,579 were right. Where's this dam? I didn't hear. 2887 01:31:25,581 --> 01:31:27,680 didn't hear. Uh, you know, I went all over 2888 01:31:27,682 --> 01:31:28,815 Uh, you know, I went all over the place. I didn't get a 2889 01:31:28,817 --> 01:31:30,550 the place. I didn't get a chance to. And I could take you 2890 01:31:30,552 --> 01:31:32,285 chance to. And I could take you to them if you like, but India 2891 01:31:32,287 --> 01:31:34,420 to them if you like, but India is a prime example. This 2892 01:31:34,422 --> 01:31:36,022 is a prime example. This particular, you know, area, 2893 01:31:36,024 --> 01:31:37,490 particular, you know, area, there's very little water going 2894 01:31:37,492 --> 01:31:39,425 there's very little water going through. The water is higher 2895 01:31:39,427 --> 01:31:41,694 through. The water is higher than it is lower. So very 2896 01:31:41,696 --> 01:31:43,029 than it is lower. So very little going through it. Next, 2897 01:31:43,031 --> 01:31:51,238 little going through it. Next, please. There's another one. 2898 01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:53,773 please. There's another one. Absolutely no water going from 2899 01:31:53,775 --> 01:31:55,375 Absolutely no water going from one side to the other. Very 2900 01:31:55,377 --> 01:31:57,043 one side to the other. Very little. So all this water is 2901 01:31:57,045 --> 01:31:58,711 little. So all this water is actually going into the ground. 2902 01:31:58,713 --> 01:32:00,513 actually going into the ground. It's not going into Melville at 2903 01:32:00,515 --> 01:32:02,315 It's not going into Melville at all. And these streams go all 2904 01:32:02,317 --> 01:32:03,450 all. And these streams go all over the place and they kind of 2905 01:32:03,452 --> 01:32:06,719 over the place and they kind of meet into Melville. And he has 2906 01:32:06,721 --> 01:32:10,190 meet into Melville. And he has one. This is about three feet 2907 01:32:10,192 --> 01:32:12,325 one. This is about three feet high that we measured. It's 2908 01:32:12,327 --> 01:32:13,393 high that we measured. It's probably even lower because, 2909 01:32:13,395 --> 01:32:14,727 probably even lower because, you know, we couldn't get, you 2910 01:32:14,729 --> 01:32:16,462 you know, we couldn't get, you know, low enough. But that's 2911 01:32:16,464 --> 01:32:17,997 know, low enough. But that's you know, the water was up high 2912 01:32:17,999 --> 01:32:18,999 you know, the water was up high and nothing's coming through 2913 01:32:19,001 --> 01:32:20,600 and nothing's coming through it. So I just want to kind of 2914 01:32:20,602 --> 01:32:21,801 it. So I just want to kind of like wonder, are we doing 2915 01:32:21,803 --> 01:32:23,603 like wonder, are we doing anything about it? I think that 2916 01:32:23,605 --> 01:32:24,871 anything about it? I think that there's special permits that we 2917 01:32:24,873 --> 01:32:27,274 there's special permits that we can get from the state to work 2918 01:32:27,276 --> 01:32:29,075 can get from the state to work on this to, you know, maybe not 2919 01:32:29,077 --> 01:32:30,310 on this to, you know, maybe not eliminate, uh, you know, the 2920 01:32:30,312 --> 01:32:32,078 eliminate, uh, you know, the whole beaver dam, but portions 2921 01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:33,880 whole beaver dam, but portions of it that the water can flow. 2922 01:32:33,882 --> 01:32:34,114 of it that the water can flow. Okay. 2923 01:32:34,116 --> 01:32:35,615 Okay. Thank you, thank you. 2924 01:32:35,617 --> 01:32:36,249 Thank you, thank you. Appreciate your time. 2925 01:32:36,251 --> 01:32:38,485 Appreciate your time. Yeah. Bob, do you want to speak 2926 01:32:38,487 --> 01:32:39,485 Yeah. Bob, do you want to speak to that or do you want to just 2927 01:32:39,487 --> 01:32:40,420 to that or do you want to just get back to him after you 2928 01:32:40,422 --> 01:32:42,956 get back to him after you research it? You know, there's 2929 01:32:42,958 --> 01:32:43,689 research it? You know, there's no pressure. If you want to 2930 01:32:43,691 --> 01:32:44,424 no pressure. If you want to take time to research it, 2931 01:32:44,426 --> 01:32:45,525 take time to research it, that's fine. 2932 01:32:45,527 --> 01:32:46,626 that's fine. It's up to you. If you want me 2933 01:32:46,628 --> 01:32:47,827 It's up to you. If you want me to get up and respond. 2934 01:32:47,829 --> 01:32:48,828 to get up and respond. If you have a if you have 2935 01:32:48,830 --> 01:32:49,896 If you have a if you have response and you're ready for 2936 01:32:49,898 --> 01:32:54,234 response and you're ready for it, go ahead. Yeah. And then 2937 01:32:54,236 --> 01:32:56,369 it, go ahead. Yeah. And then we're going to move on. 2938 01:32:56,371 --> 01:32:57,170 we're going to move on. To my question. 2939 01:32:57,172 --> 01:32:58,204 To my question. Right. I'll let you have a 2940 01:32:58,206 --> 01:33:02,075 Right. I'll let you have a question. Yep. 2941 01:33:02,077 --> 01:33:03,443 question. Yep. Well beaver dams are pretty 2942 01:33:03,445 --> 01:33:06,212 Well beaver dams are pretty well protected. And as as al 2943 01:33:06,214 --> 01:33:07,447 well protected. And as as al mentioned you have to have a 2944 01:33:07,449 --> 01:33:09,048 mentioned you have to have a permit for them. Typically when 2945 01:33:09,050 --> 01:33:10,483 permit for them. Typically when we've gotten permits in the 2946 01:33:10,485 --> 01:33:13,186 we've gotten permits in the past for other various reasons, 2947 01:33:13,188 --> 01:33:15,855 past for other various reasons, they'll let us remove section 2948 01:33:15,857 --> 01:33:17,557 they'll let us remove section typically four feet wide by a 2949 01:33:17,559 --> 01:33:20,226 typically four feet wide by a foot deep. And then, you know, 2950 01:33:20,228 --> 01:33:21,527 foot deep. And then, you know, the next day the beavers have 2951 01:33:21,529 --> 01:33:23,429 the next day the beavers have it all built back up. But if 2952 01:33:23,431 --> 01:33:25,164 it all built back up. But if that's something the council 2953 01:33:25,166 --> 01:33:26,265 that's something the council and the mayor want us to look 2954 01:33:26,267 --> 01:33:27,467 and the mayor want us to look into, we can certainly look 2955 01:33:27,469 --> 01:33:28,635 into, we can certainly look into that and call mass 2956 01:33:28,637 --> 01:33:30,336 into that and call mass wildlife and work with Rob 2957 01:33:30,338 --> 01:33:32,372 wildlife and work with Rob Moore to see if we can, uh, 2958 01:33:32,374 --> 01:33:34,007 Moore to see if we can, uh, pull down some beaver dams. 2959 01:33:34,009 --> 01:33:35,275 pull down some beaver dams. From your experience, have you 2960 01:33:35,277 --> 01:33:36,209 From your experience, have you done it in the past? And has it 2961 01:33:36,211 --> 01:33:38,911 done it in the past? And has it made any real difference? 2962 01:33:38,913 --> 01:33:40,413 made any real difference? It's not going to make a real 2963 01:33:40,415 --> 01:33:41,948 It's not going to make a real difference as far as quantity 2964 01:33:41,950 --> 01:33:44,117 difference as far as quantity or volume of water. Okay. No. 2965 01:33:44,119 --> 01:33:46,018 or volume of water. Okay. No. All right. Thank you. Sir. If 2966 01:33:46,020 --> 01:33:47,453 All right. Thank you. Sir. If you want to come on up and ask 2967 01:33:47,455 --> 01:33:49,055 you want to come on up and ask your question, just. Yep. Keep 2968 01:33:49,057 --> 01:33:51,157 your question, just. Yep. Keep it at two minutes and. 2969 01:33:51,159 --> 01:33:53,560 it at two minutes and. Michael Jacobs. name is very. 2970 01:33:53,562 --> 01:33:54,294 Michael Jacobs. name is very. Rude. 2971 01:33:54,296 --> 01:33:55,462 Rude. And just on that real. 2972 01:33:55,464 --> 01:33:56,796 And just on that real. Quick note, um. 2973 01:33:56,798 --> 01:33:57,997 Quick note, um. Even whether it's a big 2974 01:33:57,999 --> 01:33:59,165 Even whether it's a big difference, every little bit 2975 01:33:59,167 --> 01:34:00,500 difference, every little bit helps, right? 2976 01:34:00,502 --> 01:34:01,801 helps, right? I guess we're trying to do 2977 01:34:01,803 --> 01:34:02,669 I guess we're trying to do because he said earlier. 2978 01:34:02,671 --> 01:34:03,503 because he said earlier. Nothing's coming out. 2979 01:34:03,505 --> 01:34:03,703 Nothing's coming out. Of. 2980 01:34:03,705 --> 01:34:05,505 Of. Millville because just so if 2981 01:34:05,507 --> 01:34:07,206 Millville because just so if what this gentleman saying 2982 01:34:07,208 --> 01:34:09,075 what this gentleman saying every little bit helps. 2983 01:34:09,077 --> 01:34:09,375 every little bit helps. Right? 2984 01:34:09,377 --> 01:34:09,909 Right? That's your question. 2985 01:34:09,911 --> 01:34:11,377 That's your question. What is that? No, no, I'm just 2986 01:34:11,379 --> 01:34:12,178 What is that? No, no, I'm just making that statement too, 2987 01:34:12,180 --> 01:34:12,879 making that statement too, though, because if. 2988 01:34:12,881 --> 01:34:13,513 though, because if. We're watching how. 2989 01:34:13,515 --> 01:34:15,214 We're watching how. A washing our hands every 2990 01:34:15,216 --> 01:34:17,717 A washing our hands every little bit helps. Yeah. Okay. 2991 01:34:17,719 --> 01:34:19,152 little bit helps. Yeah. Okay. So real. 2992 01:34:19,154 --> 01:34:22,855 So real. Quick, um. The first thing is, 2993 01:34:22,857 --> 01:34:24,057 Quick, um. The first thing is, uh, what are we doing? Because 2994 01:34:24,059 --> 01:34:25,958 uh, what are we doing? Because I know on September 15th, we 2995 01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:27,527 I know on September 15th, we had mentioned we were going to 2996 01:34:27,529 --> 01:34:29,462 had mentioned we were going to heat the two of them. The mayor 2997 01:34:29,464 --> 01:34:30,730 heat the two of them. The mayor and Bob didn't have an issue 2998 01:34:30,732 --> 01:34:31,831 and Bob didn't have an issue with getting a second pair of 2999 01:34:31,833 --> 01:34:32,866 with getting a second pair of eyes to start to look at 3000 01:34:32,868 --> 01:34:34,134 eyes to start to look at things. He was just. Maybe they 3001 01:34:34,136 --> 01:34:35,668 things. He was just. Maybe they were overseeing something. Just 3002 01:34:35,670 --> 01:34:36,703 were overseeing something. Just wanted to bring that back up to 3003 01:34:36,705 --> 01:34:40,173 wanted to bring that back up to the forefront. Okay. And then 3004 01:34:40,175 --> 01:34:43,276 the forefront. Okay. And then also, uh, I read a news story 3005 01:34:43,278 --> 01:34:45,211 also, uh, I read a news story somewhere and anybody here that 3006 01:34:45,213 --> 01:34:46,479 somewhere and anybody here that can help me, uh, and New and 3007 01:34:46,481 --> 01:34:48,047 can help me, uh, and New and New Hampshire, I think they 3008 01:34:48,049 --> 01:34:49,281 New Hampshire, I think they have, uh, water that they're 3009 01:34:49,283 --> 01:34:50,183 have, uh, water that they're going to be dumping. Has 3010 01:34:50,185 --> 01:34:51,551 going to be dumping. Has anybody heard of this? And I 3011 01:34:51,553 --> 01:34:52,985 anybody heard of this? And I just wondered if I just wanted 3012 01:34:52,987 --> 01:34:53,953 just wondered if I just wanted to bring to someone's attention 3013 01:34:53,955 --> 01:34:55,154 to bring to someone's attention if they if these guys haven't 3014 01:34:55,156 --> 01:34:55,822 if they if these guys haven't heard of it, because maybe we 3015 01:34:55,824 --> 01:34:58,191 heard of it, because maybe we can buy some of those gallons. 3016 01:34:58,193 --> 01:35:00,160 can buy some of those gallons. Okay. Um, I don't know if 3017 01:35:00,162 --> 01:35:00,993 Okay. Um, I don't know if anybody else heard that. Seen 3018 01:35:00,995 --> 01:35:03,963 anybody else heard that. Seen that story, then, uh, the other 3019 01:35:03,965 --> 01:35:06,366 that story, then, uh, the other thing I'd like to say is with 3020 01:35:06,368 --> 01:35:08,201 thing I'd like to say is with the I think we've had two rate 3021 01:35:08,203 --> 01:35:09,569 the I think we've had two rate increases, water rate 3022 01:35:09,571 --> 01:35:11,838 increases, water rate increases, um, under her 3023 01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:14,774 increases, um, under her administration. So hoping that 3024 01:35:14,776 --> 01:35:15,975 administration. So hoping that in two years or so. Right, all 3025 01:35:15,977 --> 01:35:17,176 in two years or so. Right, all this stuff that we're working 3026 01:35:17,178 --> 01:35:19,011 this stuff that we're working on gets us back in a better 3027 01:35:19,013 --> 01:35:21,848 on gets us back in a better space. Would we stop to think 3028 01:35:21,850 --> 01:35:22,982 space. Would we stop to think and say, okay, maybe we don't 3029 01:35:22,984 --> 01:35:24,016 and say, okay, maybe we don't need the rate increases, right? 3030 01:35:24,018 --> 01:35:25,251 need the rate increases, right? When we go backwards on a rate 3031 01:35:25,253 --> 01:35:26,652 When we go backwards on a rate increase, if we get ourselves 3032 01:35:26,654 --> 01:35:28,187 increase, if we get ourselves to where we need to be. So I 3033 01:35:28,189 --> 01:35:29,155 to where we need to be. So I just like to get these things 3034 01:35:29,157 --> 01:35:30,523 just like to get these things on record and get our minds 3035 01:35:30,525 --> 01:35:33,126 on record and get our minds flowing that way. Um, and then 3036 01:35:33,128 --> 01:35:34,160 flowing that way. Um, and then I'll just say real quick as 3037 01:35:34,162 --> 01:35:36,796 I'll just say real quick as well, not that I'm somebody had 3038 01:35:36,798 --> 01:35:38,798 well, not that I'm somebody had an issue last time about people 3039 01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:39,999 an issue last time about people reading faces and all that kind 3040 01:35:40,001 --> 01:35:41,300 reading faces and all that kind of stuff. 90% of our 3041 01:35:41,302 --> 01:35:42,802 of stuff. 90% of our communication is body language, 3042 01:35:42,804 --> 01:35:44,270 communication is body language, so let's keep that in mind. So 3043 01:35:44,272 --> 01:35:47,039 so let's keep that in mind. So that's why people get that. Uh, 3044 01:35:47,041 --> 01:35:49,842 that's why people get that. Uh, anyways, uh, what was my next 3045 01:35:49,844 --> 01:35:54,948 anyways, uh, what was my next one was, um. The rate 3046 01:35:54,950 --> 01:35:55,982 one was, um. The rate increases. 3047 01:35:55,984 --> 01:35:57,550 increases. Again. 3048 01:35:57,552 --> 01:35:59,152 Again. That's I think that's pretty 3049 01:35:59,154 --> 01:36:00,086 That's I think that's pretty much it. Yeah. Thank you. 3050 01:36:00,088 --> 01:36:02,122 much it. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much. 3051 01:36:02,124 --> 01:36:03,556 Thank you very much. But do you understand what I'm 3052 01:36:03,558 --> 01:36:05,191 But do you understand what I'm trying to say is I want us to 3053 01:36:05,193 --> 01:36:06,292 trying to say is I want us to start. I'll come here and I'll 3054 01:36:06,294 --> 01:36:07,494 start. I'll come here and I'll bring up questions that I feel 3055 01:36:07,496 --> 01:36:08,661 bring up questions that I feel you guys are maybe looking at. 3056 01:36:08,663 --> 01:36:09,695 you guys are maybe looking at. And then that'll get the wheels 3057 01:36:09,697 --> 01:36:11,063 And then that'll get the wheels turning right. Sure. Because 3058 01:36:11,065 --> 01:36:12,165 turning right. Sure. Because that was my main issue last 3059 01:36:12,167 --> 01:36:13,065 that was my main issue last time. We've got to change 3060 01:36:13,067 --> 01:36:14,300 time. We've got to change attitudes and things like that. 3061 01:36:14,302 --> 01:36:15,501 attitudes and things like that. So that's all. So I hope you'll 3062 01:36:15,503 --> 01:36:16,703 So that's all. So I hope you'll take these things serious that 3063 01:36:16,705 --> 01:36:17,971 take these things serious that I'm bringing up. 3064 01:36:17,973 --> 01:36:19,305 I'm bringing up. Yeah, but we heard you. I think 3065 01:36:19,307 --> 01:36:20,440 Yeah, but we heard you. I think everybody here at you, I know I 3066 01:36:20,442 --> 01:36:20,807 everybody here at you, I know I did.. 3067 01:36:20,809 --> 01:36:22,208 did.. Has anybody else heard the 3068 01:36:22,210 --> 01:36:23,276 Has anybody else heard the story about Newton? 3069 01:36:23,278 --> 01:36:24,210 story about Newton? I had. not one. 3070 01:36:24,212 --> 01:36:24,511 I had. not one. But. 3071 01:36:24,513 --> 01:36:25,745 But. What? It's your business. Have 3072 01:36:25,747 --> 01:36:27,147 What? It's your business. Have you heard that, sir? 3073 01:36:27,149 --> 01:36:28,281 you heard that, sir? That's your time. He can speak 3074 01:36:28,283 --> 01:36:29,783 That's your time. He can speak to it later or get back to you. 3075 01:36:29,785 --> 01:36:31,350 to it later or get back to you. Thank you, thank you. Yes, 3076 01:36:31,352 --> 01:36:34,187 Thank you, thank you. Yes, madam. Clerk. Next item. 3077 01:36:34,189 --> 01:36:35,655 madam. Clerk. Next item. Mayor Barrett, request to 3078 01:36:35,657 --> 01:36:36,989 Mayor Barrett, request to present a proclamation 3079 01:36:36,991 --> 01:36:39,793 present a proclamation recognizing October 15th, 2026 3080 01:36:39,795 --> 01:36:41,127 recognizing October 15th, 2026 as White Cane Awareness Day in 3081 01:36:41,129 --> 01:36:42,428 as White Cane Awareness Day in the city of Haverhill. 3082 01:36:42,430 --> 01:36:43,530 the city of Haverhill. Councilor page, you're going to 3083 01:36:43,532 --> 01:36:45,465 Councilor page, you're going to read the proclamation. 3084 01:36:45,467 --> 01:36:47,600 read the proclamation. Thank you, Mr. President. 3085 01:36:47,602 --> 01:36:49,902 Thank you, Mr. President. Proclamation. Whereas the white 3086 01:36:49,904 --> 01:36:51,671 Proclamation. Whereas the white cane, which every blind citizen 3087 01:36:51,673 --> 01:36:52,338 cane, which every blind citizen of Haverhill in the 3088 01:36:52,340 --> 01:36:53,339 of Haverhill in the Commonwealth has the right to 3089 01:36:53,341 --> 01:36:54,874 Commonwealth has the right to carry, demonstrates and 3090 01:36:54,876 --> 01:36:56,075 carry, demonstrates and symbolizes the ability to 3091 01:36:56,077 --> 01:36:57,510 symbolizes the ability to achieve a full and independent 3092 01:36:57,512 --> 01:36:59,111 achieve a full and independent life and the capacity to work 3093 01:36:59,113 --> 01:37:00,446 life and the capacity to work productively in competitive 3094 01:37:00,448 --> 01:37:02,882 productively in competitive employment. And whereas the 3095 01:37:02,884 --> 01:37:04,317 employment. And whereas the white cane allows every blind 3096 01:37:04,319 --> 01:37:05,484 white cane allows every blind person to move freely and 3097 01:37:05,486 --> 01:37:06,953 person to move freely and safely from place to place, 3098 01:37:06,955 --> 01:37:08,287 safely from place to place, making it possible for the 3099 01:37:08,289 --> 01:37:10,189 making it possible for the blind to fully participate and 3100 01:37:10,191 --> 01:37:11,657 blind to fully participate and contribute to our society and 3101 01:37:11,659 --> 01:37:12,992 contribute to our society and to live the lives they want. 3102 01:37:12,994 --> 01:37:15,628 to live the lives they want. And whereas every citizen 3103 01:37:15,630 --> 01:37:16,629 And whereas every citizen should be aware that the law 3104 01:37:16,631 --> 01:37:17,830 should be aware that the law requires that motorists and 3105 01:37:17,832 --> 01:37:19,498 requires that motorists and cyclists exercise appropriate 3106 01:37:19,500 --> 01:37:20,532 cyclists exercise appropriate caution when approaching a 3107 01:37:20,534 --> 01:37:22,101 caution when approaching a blind person carrying a white 3108 01:37:22,103 --> 01:37:24,971 blind person carrying a white cane, and whereas Massachusetts 3109 01:37:24,973 --> 01:37:26,873 cane, and whereas Massachusetts law also calls upon employers, 3110 01:37:26,875 --> 01:37:28,508 law also calls upon employers, both public and private, to be 3111 01:37:28,510 --> 01:37:29,542 both public and private, to be aware of and utilize the 3112 01:37:29,544 --> 01:37:30,776 aware of and utilize the employment skills of our blind 3113 01:37:30,778 --> 01:37:32,511 employment skills of our blind citizens by recognizing their 3114 01:37:32,513 --> 01:37:33,713 citizens by recognizing their worth as individuals and their 3115 01:37:33,715 --> 01:37:35,815 worth as individuals and their productive capacities. And now, 3116 01:37:35,817 --> 01:37:37,016 productive capacities. And now, therefore, I, Melinda E 3117 01:37:37,018 --> 01:37:38,084 therefore, I, Melinda E Barrett, mayor of the City of 3118 01:37:38,086 --> 01:37:39,719 Barrett, mayor of the City of Haverhill, do hereby proclaim 3119 01:37:39,721 --> 01:37:42,255 Haverhill, do hereby proclaim October 15th, 2026 as White 3120 01:37:42,257 --> 01:37:44,223 October 15th, 2026 as White Cane Awareness Day. I call upon 3121 01:37:44,225 --> 01:37:45,592 Cane Awareness Day. I call upon our schools, colleges and 3122 01:37:45,594 --> 01:37:46,926 our schools, colleges and universities to offer 3123 01:37:46,928 --> 01:37:48,194 universities to offer opportunities for learning and 3124 01:37:48,196 --> 01:37:50,396 opportunities for learning and training to blind persons upon 3125 01:37:50,398 --> 01:37:51,664 training to blind persons upon employees in the public, to 3126 01:37:51,666 --> 01:37:53,733 employees in the public, to utilize the available skills of 3127 01:37:53,735 --> 01:37:55,268 utilize the available skills of competent blind persons, and to 3128 01:37:55,270 --> 01:37:56,669 competent blind persons, and to be open to offering new 3129 01:37:56,671 --> 01:37:58,471 be open to offering new opportunities to the blind and 3130 01:37:58,473 --> 01:38:00,339 opportunities to the blind and our rapidly changing society, 3131 01:38:00,341 --> 01:38:02,041 our rapidly changing society, and upon all citizens. To 3132 01:38:02,043 --> 01:38:03,209 and upon all citizens. To recognize the white cane as a 3133 01:38:03,211 --> 01:38:04,810 recognize the white cane as a tool of independence from blind 3134 01:38:04,812 --> 01:38:06,345 tool of independence from blind pedestrians on our streets and 3135 01:38:06,347 --> 01:38:08,481 pedestrians on our streets and highways. And witness whereof I 3136 01:38:08,483 --> 01:38:10,149 highways. And witness whereof I have here on to set my hand and 3137 01:38:10,151 --> 01:38:11,684 have here on to set my hand and caused the seal the city of 3138 01:38:11,686 --> 01:38:12,752 caused the seal the city of Haverhill to be affixed. The 3139 01:38:12,754 --> 01:38:14,220 Haverhill to be affixed. The sixth day of October, in the 3140 01:38:14,222 --> 01:38:17,623 sixth day of October, in the year of our Lord, 2026. Mayor 3141 01:38:17,625 --> 01:38:19,358 year of our Lord, 2026. Mayor Melinda Barrett. I make a 3142 01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:22,161 Melinda Barrett. I make a motion to put places on file. 3143 01:38:22,163 --> 01:38:24,163 motion to put places on file. Second Motion Counselor page 3144 01:38:24,165 --> 01:38:25,197 Second Motion Counselor page second from councilor 3145 01:38:25,199 --> 01:38:26,766 second from councilor McGonagle. All in favor? 3146 01:38:26,768 --> 01:38:27,200 McGonagle. All in favor? Aye, aye. 3147 01:38:27,202 --> 01:38:28,534 Aye, aye. That's accepted and placed on 3148 01:38:28,536 --> 01:38:29,769 That's accepted and placed on file. Thank you, councillor 3149 01:38:29,771 --> 01:38:31,871 file. Thank you, councillor LePage. Madam clerk, next item. 3150 01:38:31,873 --> 01:38:33,172 LePage. Madam clerk, next item. Vice President Richardson 3151 01:38:33,174 --> 01:38:34,407 Vice President Richardson wishes to announce a Planning 3152 01:38:34,409 --> 01:38:35,341 wishes to announce a Planning and Development Committee 3153 01:38:35,343 --> 01:38:37,176 and Development Committee meeting on Monday, October 3154 01:38:37,178 --> 01:38:39,612 meeting on Monday, October 19th, 2026 at 6 p.m. in room 3155 01:38:39,614 --> 01:38:41,347 19th, 2026 at 6 p.m. in room 202. The City Council Chambers. 3156 01:38:41,349 --> 01:38:42,415 202. The City Council Chambers. Vice President Richardson. 3157 01:38:42,417 --> 01:38:44,951 Vice President Richardson. Thank you very much. Uh, this 3158 01:38:44,953 --> 01:38:47,453 Thank you very much. Uh, this meeting follows two major 3159 01:38:47,455 --> 01:38:49,389 meeting follows two major challenges facing Haverhill the 3160 01:38:49,391 --> 01:38:51,658 challenges facing Haverhill the waste water infrastructure 3161 01:38:51,660 --> 01:38:54,193 waste water infrastructure failure. Um, this summer, um, 3162 01:38:54,195 --> 01:38:58,197 failure. Um, this summer, um, as well as our current drought. 3163 01:38:58,199 --> 01:39:01,934 as well as our current drought. Um, and working with the 3164 01:39:01,936 --> 01:39:03,803 Um, and working with the mayor's administration and 3165 01:39:03,805 --> 01:39:05,939 mayor's administration and appropriate departments will 3166 01:39:05,941 --> 01:39:08,608 appropriate departments will begin a risk based assessment 3167 01:39:08,610 --> 01:39:10,176 begin a risk based assessment of the city's critical 3168 01:39:10,178 --> 01:39:12,178 of the city's critical infrastructure, starting with 3169 01:39:12,180 --> 01:39:14,213 infrastructure, starting with wastewater and drinking water. 3170 01:39:14,215 --> 01:39:16,015 wastewater and drinking water. Citizen input will be an 3171 01:39:16,017 --> 01:39:18,351 Citizen input will be an important part of this effort. 3172 01:39:18,353 --> 01:39:20,887 important part of this effort. Residents often see problems 3173 01:39:20,889 --> 01:39:22,588 Residents often see problems and impacts firsthand, and 3174 01:39:22,590 --> 01:39:24,156 and impacts firsthand, and their experience can help us 3175 01:39:24,158 --> 01:39:26,959 their experience can help us identify risks, priorities, and 3176 01:39:26,961 --> 01:39:29,161 identify risks, priorities, and concerns. A first meeting will 3177 01:39:29,163 --> 01:39:31,230 concerns. A first meeting will focus on defining the scope, 3178 01:39:31,232 --> 01:39:33,499 focus on defining the scope, expected outcomes, and 3179 01:39:33,501 --> 01:39:35,835 expected outcomes, and organization of the study, with 3180 01:39:35,837 --> 01:39:38,170 organization of the study, with the goal of identifying our 3181 01:39:38,172 --> 01:39:40,439 the goal of identifying our highest risks and reducing them 3182 01:39:40,441 --> 01:39:43,242 highest risks and reducing them before another crisis occurs. 3183 01:39:43,244 --> 01:39:44,844 before another crisis occurs. Thank you, Mr. President. 3184 01:39:44,846 --> 01:39:47,013 Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you, Mr. Vice President. 3185 01:39:47,015 --> 01:39:50,383 Thank you, Mr. Vice President. And do we have any other 3186 01:39:50,385 --> 01:39:52,085 And do we have any other announcements, reports? 3187 01:39:52,087 --> 01:39:53,553 announcements, reports? Move. We adjourn. 3188 01:39:53,555 --> 01:39:55,188 Move. We adjourn. Second motion from Councillor 3189 01:39:55,190 --> 01:39:56,389 Second motion from Councillor Sullivan to adjourn. Second 3190 01:39:56,391 --> 01:39:58,257 Sullivan to adjourn. Second from Councilor Diodati. All in 3191 01:39:58,259 --> 01:39:58,558 from Councilor Diodati. All in favor? 3192 01:39:58,560 --> 01:39:58,992 favor? Aye, aye.