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are adjourned at 11:09 A.M..

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Mahalo.

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>> council member ashley

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kierkiewicz: welcome to the

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27th session to the

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land use, and economic

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11:32 A.M. Present for today's

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committee hearing are

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>> council member jenn kagiwada:

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>> council member james hustace:

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>>vice-chair dennis "fresh"

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>> council member rebecca

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villegas:

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>> council member michelle m.

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>>council member heather l.

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Kimball:. Joining us shortly,

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>>chair holeka goro inaba: and

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>> council member matt

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kanealii-kleinfelder:.

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I apologize. Council member

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inaba is in chambers. And matt

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has just arrived. Thank you. My

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name is ashley kierkiewicz.

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Chair of this committee. Let's

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hear from statements from the

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>>clerk: thank you. I believe we

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have no testifiers. Let's check

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again. Ot seeing any.

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We can jump to bill 175.

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>>yes.

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>>clerk: is there any testimony

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for bill 175? Hearing none.

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>>

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bills for ordinances

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25-50, as amended, an ordinance

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amending chapter 6 of the hawaii

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county code 1983 (2016 edition,

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as amended), relating to

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transient accommodations

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changes certain responsibilities

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for proposed vacation rental

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laws under ordinance no. 25-50

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from the finance director to the

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planning director;

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exempts prospective vacation

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rentals that have submitted a

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valid use permit or special

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permit application from

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ordinance no. 25-50; and

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requires any funds collected

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under ordinance no. 25-50 to be

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deposited into the short-term

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vacation rental enforcement

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fund.

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Reference: comm. 964

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intr. By: council member kimball

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motion to forward bill 175 to

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council with a favorable

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recommendations.

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>> this is the registration

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process for tvrs. Starting with

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section 6, what this

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non-codified section would do is

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to ensure that folks who have

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submitted an application for a

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special permit under the current

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bed-and-breakfast laws would be

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considered deemed registered.

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there are probably going to be

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differences in the application

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process before and after the

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passage of bill 147. So we

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wanted to make sure that folks

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that had already had their

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application received and

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approved or accepted by the

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department even though it had

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not yet been processed would

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considered deemed registered and

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wouldn't have to submit a new

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one. The second section here is

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to make clear under section 7,

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that the funds from the

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enforcement of the registration

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ordinance and the fees

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themselves would go nto the

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short-term vacation rentals

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enforcement fund. I would like

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to name that fund the tvr fund

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but there is a reason it is

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under that name.

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The other, under section 8, as

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where there is a grace period of

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four months created between

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for anybody to register.

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Basically we are doing this

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again as an uncodified section

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that gist

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ves the director the

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ability to waive the period. If

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there is a reason for it to be

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longer than necessary. And the

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editorial process was being

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developed by the planning

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department with the consultant.

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It was clear that most of this

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process would actually fall

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within the planning department

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rather than the finance

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department. You can see that

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shift where the finance director

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was made to the planning

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director. Other than that, it's

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pretty much just editorial to

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make sure that cross-references

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are correct. There is one error

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that unfortunately I did not

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have the time to create the

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amendment for it and I would do

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that in first reading under

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section 4. There should be

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language in there that this is

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this section applies only to

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special permits that have

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already been issued or use

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permits that have been already

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department. I will fix that at

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the ext stage. Happy to ake

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any questions.

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>>thank you for the overview. To

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note for the record that

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leadership from the planning

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department, director darrow and

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deputy are here in council

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chambers. Members, any questions

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>>chair holeka goro inaba:

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thank you. I'm wondering,

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director, regarding the

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effective date of the ordinance.

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Would it be for you folks to

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need through DECEMBER 31st to

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get rolling. I don't know if

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that would fit the rehab

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discretion in our ordinance

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effective dates.

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>>chair, MAY I respond?

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>> sure, go ahead.

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>>the effective date of the

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ordinance will still be

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SEPTEMBER 1st. That's when the

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registration portal will be

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opened. The next section

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codified would allow for people

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to register between

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effective date the same. That's

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>>director, anything to add?

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>> planning director jeff

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darrow: aloha. Good afternoon.

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Good morning. Chair, vice-chair,

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members of the hawai'I county

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council. So, yes, this

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particular date is like a grace

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period for, it's my

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understanding, it's a grace

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period for people that have been

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operating to come in to

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register. After that date, we

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would enforce, and do our

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enforcement. There will also be

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a grace period which will be

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introduced in bill 147, which is

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making its way back up to the

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council at this time. It's

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passed through both planning

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commissions with favorable

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recommendation and this is

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related to tvrs and everything

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to do in the zoning code. That

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grace period will be a period of

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time that we can work with the

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applicants to resolve any issues

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they have, but to allow them to

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continue operating as we work

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with them whether it's

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permitting or land use permits,

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>>okay, thank you, director.

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>>vice-chair dennis "fresh"

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onishi: thank you. For

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registration, it seems to me you

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would need the finance

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department also helping with

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this registration because of the

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list of what's needed. If not,

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your department is going to need

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more manpower to do all of this

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other research or contacting

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real property tax. Any comments?

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first created back in 2018,

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positioning that were allocated

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for the s tvr program and that

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was funded by the enforcement

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fund and that fund had quite a

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bit of money from registration

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and annual fees. Overtime, it's

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depleted to the point that it

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very well could run out within

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the next year. It was also the

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intention for the planning

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department to come back and not

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also, regulate the hosted

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vacation rentals. That's what

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this is doing. When we did the

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original unhosted, we took care

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of registration, we took care of

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all the finances. The one thing

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that's being introduced into

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this new bill is he oversight

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of the taxes. It's really

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focusing as well on making sure

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they have their g. E. T. Tax

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and tat tax. Finance will be

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part of it. We have a platform

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on board called decker and we'll

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be doing a webinar to be able to

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present what they are doing. But

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they have an enforcement

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platform that monitors what's

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going on around the island as

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far as licenses, stvr's and so

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forth as well as the

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registration platform and we'll

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do the webinar showing how that

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works. We have a payment system

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set up ready to go so everything

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can be done online. I think we

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are okay. At first, we are just

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trying to identify the roles

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between the finance director and

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the planning director. This

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seems to fit.

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>>so this eliminates the finance

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director completely?

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>> she is involved. As you look

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through this, there are certain

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aspects that the finance

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director remains a part of this.

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>>are you talking about section

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>> in the registration section,

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she is take own, the

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ut, the finance

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director.

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>>but through his process,

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there will be an avenue set up

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for payments for taxes are made,

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they work with finance

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department, the platform that we

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have been working on has been

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working with both planning

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>>so my thing is, sometimes with

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government, it's better to list

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it or to at least mention about

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it instead of just going with no

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knowledge. Say, the

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administration changes, you are

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no longer there. New people come

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in. You read this. They MAY not

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have an idea of what the intent

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was.

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>>yeah, again, up to this point,

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it seemed more appropriate,

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planning department has been

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taking he lead n establishing

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this process. And we have

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experience in doing it based on

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our previous launch of our

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registration. Again, if you

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look at the bill even in 645,

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you will see a reference here

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and there for the finance

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director to be. It mainly is

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making sure that we are all

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updating our information to have

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current and updated information.

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But they basically take care of

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the tat and g. E. T.. We take

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care of the land use.

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>>but this, we are talking about

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the registration part. The tat

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is separate, it's afterwards,

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after the fact.

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>>it's part of the registration

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process.

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>>that they havehat?

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>> yes, they identify. They

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cannot move through it unless

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they identify that they have

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those. But overall, all of the

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questions that are being asked

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and the information has to do

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with the land use.

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>>my last question is,

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anticipation of when do you

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expect your staff to be

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functioning 100 percent because

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right now as you said, funding

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got reduced. So there is really

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not many staff members there,

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right?

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>> we have five unfunded

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positions, I believe.

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>>right. So this happening, how

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long will it take?

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>> asap.

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>>I understand it.

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>>let's see, yesterday.

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>>it's going to take time.

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>>I don't want to go into great

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detail, but we have been working

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with finance on making sure that

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once this plan begins, because

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we have another number of

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employees that are going to be,

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that are currently during

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particular jobs in hat we have

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now. When this launches n

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SEPTEMBER 1st, everything is

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going to shift. So their roles

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are going to shift. So we feel

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very confident on being able to

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make sure this thing runs

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smoothly. We will immediately

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once things start running begin

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to advertise for those needed

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positions.

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>>so then, listening to what you

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are just saying, those positions

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might not be important to be

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hired because if you have staff

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that could be starting

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SEPTEMBER 1st and running this

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program, then you might not need

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the extra staff?

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>> those staff that are the ones

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that aren't there, the reason

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why they aren't there is because

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we didn't want to continue. We

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needed them, believe me. Several

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of them are inspectors. So we

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needed them.

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>>you needed a long time ago.

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>>yes, but the problem is the

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more we deplete that fund, the

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faster we would run out of

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moneys to pay for people that

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are currently in those

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positions.

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>>my last thing to add to that,

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why weren't these positions paid

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by general fund?

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>> it was just set up that way.

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We've requested that and that is

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the goal. I think what needs to

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happen n my understanding is

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finance wants to make sure that

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once the program launches, that

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it is clear that there is going

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to be income to be able to

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sustain the program, hift the

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positions into the general fund

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and the moneys will also go into

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the general fund instead of this

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separate fund. There is a plan.

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>>okay, thank you.

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>>thank you.

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>>

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>> council member ashley

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kierkiewicz: thank you. Any

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other questions or comments?

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Council member

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kanealii-kleinfelder?

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>> MR. Onishi, thinking about

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the correlation between the

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department of finances, our tat

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reporting, is it important to

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have finance built into some of

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this process that's being

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created?

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>>

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>> planning director jeff

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darrow: they are very involved.

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We have meetings weekly with the

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platform that has been hired.

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They are in all the meetings.

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They are an essential part of

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this because the information

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that will be coming in will be

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going to both planning and to

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finance. But their information

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is going to be different than

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our information that's coming to

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us. Theirs will be related more

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to taxes and ours will be

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related more to the registration

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and land use.

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>>looking at the first section

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6-45 registration. Just

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throwing it out there. Not that

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there is a problem. A person MAY

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not operate a stvr property and

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what used to be finance is now

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planning director in a format

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prescribed by the now planning

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director. Is it important that

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the finance and planning work

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together within this document?

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To create the perfect

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application or you like it the

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way that it is with all planning

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driven?

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>> this registration process was

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created with collaboration with

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the planning and finance

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department as well as tenant

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entity.

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They have a lot of experience

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with the registration process.

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the information they needed in

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the registration is part of it.

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But I

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to the maker, did finance have

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planning work together with this

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bill?

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>>

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>>council member heather l.

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Kimball: f I MAY, chair. It's

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important to note that this

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amendment doesn't actually

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include all references to the

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finance director that was in

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25-50. The difference here

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particularly with section 6-45,

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is that we initially thought we

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would house the registration

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process in finance and connect

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the plan. What happened is we

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have housed registration in

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planning, but it will actually

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connect to finance. There are

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other references in ordinance

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25-50 particularly around the g.

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E. T. Tat and property taxes

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with the finance director. Those

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are not being amended here with

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this particular ordinance.

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That's why you are not seeing

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them. But the finance director

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is included in section 6-45, sub

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section c, the finance director

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is also included in terms of the

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reporting from the hosting

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platform. So that compliance in

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having to do with tat is still

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there, and then there is also

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the ability for the finance

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director and planning director

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to make rules to join separately

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for this process. What you are

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seeing is the egistration

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process now housed nder the

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planning side rather than the

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finance side which is what we

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originally planned for but it

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works out better this way.

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>>thank you.

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>>

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>> council member ashley

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kierkiewicz: anyone else?

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Thank you, director, for being

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here. So, you are confident with

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the go live date with the

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registration process for

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SEPTEMBER 1st?

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>> planning director jeff

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darrow: at this point, things

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are looking a lot better than

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when it launched JULY 1st. We

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are working through the all the

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bugs. We are very impressed with

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the decker platform that has

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been hired. They are very

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flexible. Hey are very

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responsive. They are able to

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answer all of our questions,

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just very impressed.

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>>fantastic. You mentioned there

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being a community. Was it

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webinar, some kind of workshop

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to let folks know, this is a

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process, this is the portal and

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the documents you need in order

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to submit the application. Has

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the date been identified for

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when that webinar or workshop

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will take place?

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>> we urrently have a date. We

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don't want to advertise that yet

531
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because there are some tweaks we

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need to do to the registration.

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The webinar, decker has already

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said they would be able to

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present the presentation on how

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to go through the process, but

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right now, it's your standard

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stvr registration so it's more

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in line with what's going to

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happen with tvrs and s tvrs. We

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are hoping to have that done

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quickly and spread that news out

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when that webinar will be held.

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We are also going to very

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shortly put something both on

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hawai'I county tar.Com and

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frequently asked questions on an

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information sheet to bring

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everyone up to speed as to

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what's going on.

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>>would it be possible to

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announce the date and time and

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venue for this webinar at first

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reading? If this goes to first

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reading which is AUGUST 5th? If

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go live is eptember 1st, we

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want to be sure we are giving

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folks ample time for the webinar

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event. More time, the better.

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This is an excellent venue, on

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the public record and these

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meetings are available for

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livestream anywhere. We want to

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give folks ample time to know

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when the webinar will be

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available?

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>> absolutely. Do you want to

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join?

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>> sure, as an observer. I'm

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curious bout the workflow when

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the registration comes through.

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What is the turn around time.

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Walk me through what the

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planning department needs to do

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and if there is a requirement to

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pull from the finance

577
00:25:05,497 --> 00:25:06,231
department. I'm so sorry to

578
00:25:06,231 --> 00:25:06,965
emphasize the need to understand

579
00:25:06,965 --> 00:25:09,101
the workflow and how long it's

580
00:25:09,101 --> 00:25:11,670
going to take for reviewing and

581
00:25:11,670 --> 00:25:12,837
issuing registration number. So

582
00:25:12,837 --> 00:25:14,405
I want to be sure that this

583
00:25:14,405 --> 00:25:17,375
launch is successful and easy

584
00:25:17,375 --> 00:25:19,144
for folks to navigate, but also,

585
00:25:19,144 --> 00:25:20,946
on the internal side for the

586
00:25:20,946 --> 00:25:23,346
planning department and finance,

587
00:25:23,748 --> 00:25:25,317
there is clear lines of

588
00:25:25,317 --> 00:25:27,717
responsibility, and we are

589
00:25:29,121 --> 00:25:29,454
getting this turned around

590
00:25:29,454 --> 00:25:31,560
quickly.

591
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,892
>>thank you for that question,

592
00:25:33,892 --> 00:25:35,260
chair. That has been like focus

593
00:25:35,260 --> 00:25:36,428
no. 1 in the planning

594
00:25:36,428 --> 00:25:38,597
department. We have been

595
00:25:38,597 --> 00:25:40,365
actively working on this

596
00:25:40,365 --> 00:25:40,631
particular process. How is this

597
00:25:40,631 --> 00:25:42,631
-

598
00:25:43,340 --> 00:25:46,772
going to work? How can we make

599
00:25:46,772 --> 00:25:50,242
this process as simple as we

600
00:25:50,242 --> 00:25:52,642
can. Not complicated. The

601
00:25:52,778 --> 00:25:56,378
process is these days that are

602
00:25:59,170 --> 00:25:59,751
complicated just complicate

603
00:25:59,751 --> 00:26:00,752
everything else. So what we are

604
00:26:00,752 --> 00:26:03,752
trying, our focus recycle now,

605
00:26:06,391 --> 00:26:08,260
ight now, our

606
00:26:08,260 --> 00:26:09,628
direction that we have given

607
00:26:09,628 --> 00:26:11,596
decker is that everybody that

608
00:26:11,596 --> 00:26:15,796
comes in, we are trying to link

609
00:26:16,568 --> 00:26:18,637
this program with an api that

610
00:26:18,637 --> 00:26:21,637
shares information as well as

611
00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:36,250
our gis system. It will be able

612
00:26:37,255 --> 00:26:37,957
to identify permitted zoning

613
00:26:37,957 --> 00:26:38,590
districts, things like that.

614
00:26:38,590 --> 00:26:39,324
When someone comes in to

615
00:26:39,324 --> 00:26:40,250
registers, as long as they have

616
00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:40,725
the information, they will be

617
00:26:40,725 --> 00:26:41,961
conditionally approved with a

618
00:26:41,961 --> 00:26:43,829
registration number. That number

619
00:26:43,829 --> 00:26:47,429
will be able to utilize for

620
00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:51,704
advertising on the hosting 3

621
00:26:51,704 --> 00:26:52,438
platforms. That is where the

622
00:26:52,438 --> 00:26:53,405
grace period comes in. On that

623
00:26:53,405 --> 00:26:55,174
registration form, are

624
00:26:55,174 --> 00:26:56,942
conditions. It says that you

625
00:26:56,942 --> 00:26:59,942
agree that these conditions need

626
00:27:00,746 --> 00:27:04,946
to be met to continue, but it's

627
00:27:05,884 --> 00:27:06,485
not at that time you are given a

628
00:27:06,485 --> 00:27:08,485
conditionally approved

629
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,488
registration number. So during

630
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:14,660
that period of grace time, the

631
00:27:14,660 --> 00:27:16,950
staff will be reviewing these

632
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:18,764
registrations to make sure they

633
00:27:18,764 --> 00:27:19,698
are in a permitted zoning

634
00:27:19,698 --> 00:27:22,234
district, that they have been

635
00:27:22,234 --> 00:27:25,834
able to work out their building

636
00:27:28,940 --> 00:27:31,940
permit issues for the structures

637
00:27:45,191 --> 00:27:45,891
that they are utilizing for the

638
00:27:45,891 --> 00:27:46,592
tvrs. If they need a land use

639
00:27:46,592 --> 00:27:47,259
permit, a special permit that

640
00:27:47,259 --> 00:27:47,994
they have gone through that

641
00:27:47,994 --> 00:27:48,661
process and received approval.

642
00:27:48,661 --> 00:27:49,395
This conditionally approved

643
00:27:49,395 --> 00:27:50,960
number could be for a period of

644
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:50,763
time. It could be a year. It

645
00:27:50,763 --> 00:27:51,497
MAY even extend after that.

646
00:27:51,497 --> 00:27:52,264
Additionally, if we have certain

647
00:27:52,264 --> 00:27:54,500
conditions in chapter 25 that

648
00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:58,700
you will see. One of them is

649
00:27:59,205 --> 00:28:00,773
that you cannot do a tvr in an

650
00:28:00,773 --> 00:28:03,173
additional farm dwelling. Things

651
00:28:03,576 --> 00:28:04,711
like that. Staff will review

652
00:28:04,711 --> 00:28:06,545
these simple conditions, make

653
00:28:06,545 --> 00:28:08,581
sure that they have met them,

654
00:28:08,581 --> 00:28:10,883
and then they will be given n

655
00:28:10,883 --> 00:28:12,819
approved number. From there,

656
00:28:12,819 --> 00:28:14,654
they won't really need to deal

657
00:28:14,654 --> 00:28:17,523
with planning anymore. They will

658
00:28:17,523 --> 00:28:20,523
just continually deal with the

659
00:28:21,127 --> 00:28:22,962
website where every year, decker

660
00:28:22,962 --> 00:28:25,264
will send them a notice, your

661
00:28:25,264 --> 00:28:26,866
annual fee is coming up and they

662
00:28:26,866 --> 00:28:30,370
will go on to the website and

663
00:28:30,370 --> 00:28:32,638
pay the fee. Our hope is that

664
00:28:32,638 --> 00:28:36,750
this is going to be smooth. Is

665
00:28:36,750 --> 00:28:38,611
going to get grace to be able to

666
00:28:38,611 --> 00:28:39,912
allow them to continue this

667
00:28:39,912 --> 00:28:42,312
transition and operate while

668
00:28:47,754 --> 00:28:48,268
they work through any bugs that

669
00:28:48,268 --> 00:28:48,888
there MAY be.

670
00:28:48,888 --> 00:28:49,622
>>okay, that's helpful. That

671
00:28:49,622 --> 00:28:53,822
was a lot of information and I

672
00:28:57,964 --> 00:28:58,818
want to chunk it out. Under

673
00:28:58,818 --> 00:28:59,432
registration there is ten areas

674
00:28:59,432 --> 00:29:00,667
of information that someone must

675
00:29:00,667 --> 00:29:02,101
meet in order for registration,

676
00:29:02,101 --> 00:29:04,501
names, tax certificates, all

677
00:29:05,705 --> 00:29:07,340
that stuff. They advance through

678
00:29:07,340 --> 00:29:09,800
the applications once those

679
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,408
documents are uploaded, correct?

680
00:29:12,845 --> 00:29:14,547
>> correct.

681
00:29:14,547 --> 00:29:15,982
>>at the point of submission

682
00:29:15,982 --> 00:29:20,182
they will be given a number and

683
00:29:22,622 --> 00:29:23,189
that information is provided to

684
00:29:23,189 --> 00:29:23,923
the hosting platform?

685
00:29:23,923 --> 00:29:24,724
>> it's our understanding that

686
00:29:24,724 --> 00:29:27,724
decker will be maintaining that

687
00:29:28,610 --> 00:29:32,650
list and that list will be the

688
00:29:32,650 --> 00:29:35,650
list that they monitor the

689
00:29:35,335 --> 00:29:36,903
websites as far as ctive

690
00:29:36,903 --> 00:29:38,903
advertising. That's question

691
00:29:39,673 --> 00:29:42,275
I haven't asked decker, but I

692
00:29:42,275 --> 00:29:45,275
will. If they provide the

693
00:29:48,214 --> 00:29:48,915
hosting platforms, that

694
00:29:48,915 --> 00:29:49,616
information. But that's the

695
00:29:49,616 --> 00:29:50,350
information that they do what

696
00:29:50,350 --> 00:29:52,510
they call scraping the websites

697
00:29:52,510 --> 00:29:55,355
to find out if they are

698
00:29:55,355 --> 00:29:56,489
advertising with these approved

699
00:29:56,489 --> 00:29:58,224
registration numbers.

700
00:29:58,224 --> 00:30:01,161
>>yeah, that's the piece that

701
00:30:01,161 --> 00:30:03,163
i'm curious about because the

702
00:30:03,163 --> 00:30:05,650
registration system goes live

703
00:30:05,650 --> 00:30:06,967
SEPTEMBER 1st and given a number

704
00:30:06,967 --> 00:30:09,367
upon submission of an

705
00:30:09,836 --> 00:30:12,836
application. I would assume that

706
00:30:16,276 --> 00:30:19,276
platforms like airbnb and vrbo

707
00:30:20,447 --> 00:30:22,983
will be giving that information

708
00:30:22,983 --> 00:30:23,784
so they can be live. Is that

709
00:30:23,784 --> 00:30:25,784
how it works?

710
00:30:31,858 --> 00:30:34,795
>> again, one of the things

711
00:30:34,795 --> 00:30:35,795
brought up is the grace period

712
00:30:35,795 --> 00:30:38,195
introduced for the actual

713
00:30:38,465 --> 00:30:38,732
process. We are not looking at

714
00:30:38,732 --> 00:30:38,999
-

715
00:30:38,999 --> 00:30:40,667
enforcement.

716
00:30:40,667 --> 00:30:43,237
>>I'm not even talking about

717
00:30:43,237 --> 00:30:45,873
that, just making sure the

718
00:30:45,873 --> 00:30:47,741
numbers are online for folks

719
00:30:47,741 --> 00:30:50,741
getting registered in order to

720
00:30:56,916 --> 00:30:57,585
operate this activity. The other

721
00:30:57,585 --> 00:30:58,252
question is the turn around

722
00:30:58,252 --> 00:30:58,586
time. I'm assuming lots of

723
00:30:58,586 --> 00:31:00,586
innings

724
00:31:04,910 --> 00:31:06,491
applications are coming through

725
00:31:07,270 --> 00:31:07,828
SEPTEMBER 1st. How much timing

726
00:31:07,828 --> 00:31:08,762
will you have around that

727
00:31:08,762 --> 00:31:10,762
initial operation?

728
00:31:13,233 --> 00:31:14,835
>> we have staff that will go

729
00:31:14,835 --> 00:31:16,204
through that information

730
00:31:16,204 --> 00:31:18,380
providing that information. To

731
00:31:18,380 --> 00:31:19,940
me, it looks like it will be a

732
00:31:19,940 --> 00:31:22,940
much quicker process than our

733
00:31:26,213 --> 00:31:26,947
previous process. I can't tell

734
00:31:26,947 --> 00:31:30,500
you exactly. It's going to be

735
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:31,618
different for every registration

736
00:31:31,618 --> 00:31:33,870
depending on the issues but my

737
00:31:33,870 --> 00:31:35,560
thought is it's going to be

738
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,691
quicker than the previous one

739
00:31:37,691 --> 00:31:41,891
which took hours to go through a

740
00:31:44,231 --> 00:31:44,966
registration and make sure all

741
00:31:44,966 --> 00:31:45,666
the information was correct and

742
00:31:45,666 --> 00:31:46,801
all the information that was

743
00:31:46,801 --> 00:31:48,769
supposed to be provided was

744
00:31:48,769 --> 00:31:50,571
provided. Keep in mind you did

745
00:31:50,571 --> 00:31:53,274
touch upon a point which I

746
00:31:53,274 --> 00:31:55,776
brought up to decker. Typically

747
00:31:55,776 --> 00:31:57,311
when you go to a website and

748
00:31:57,311 --> 00:31:58,979
filling out something, you have

749
00:31:58,979 --> 00:32:01,248
the ability to save and come

750
00:32:01,248 --> 00:32:04,248
back to I. Unfortunately that's

751
00:32:05,719 --> 00:32:07,888
not something that is available

752
00:32:07,888 --> 00:32:11,125
at this time with decker. So we

753
00:32:11,125 --> 00:32:13,561
are asking them to make it clear

754
00:32:13,561 --> 00:32:16,364
from the beginning that you need

755
00:32:16,364 --> 00:32:17,598
the information from the

756
00:32:17,598 --> 00:32:19,967
registration to be able to go

757
00:32:19,967 --> 00:32:22,637
all the way through the process.

758
00:32:22,637 --> 00:32:24,639
>>you will be timed out and

759
00:32:24,639 --> 00:32:26,639
start again.

760
00:32:28,876 --> 00:32:31,412
>>yes, if you don't have it all,

761
00:32:31,412 --> 00:32:33,147
it won't be able to completely

762
00:32:33,147 --> 00:32:34,816
and will not save.

763
00:32:34,816 --> 00:32:35,650
>>with this process, you will be

764
00:32:35,650 --> 00:32:35,983
able to track complaints that

765
00:32:35,983 --> 00:32:37,351
come in?

766
00:32:37,351 --> 00:32:39,351
>> yes.

767
00:32:40,210 --> 00:32:40,855
>>how those are resolved,

768
00:32:40,855 --> 00:32:43,224
enforcement from the planning

769
00:32:43,224 --> 00:32:46,824
process ill be in a particular

770
00:32:47,295 --> 00:32:47,762
profile for the vacation

771
00:32:47,762 --> 00:32:49,762
rentals.

772
00:32:49,997 --> 00:32:52,997
>>there is an additional program

773
00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:58,773
called rental scape that is part

774
00:32:58,773 --> 00:33:00,742
of this and they are actively

775
00:33:00,742 --> 00:33:03,142
monitoring all the active

776
00:33:18,326 --> 00:33:20,326
registrations, advertisements

777
00:33:24,399 --> 00:33:26,935
going on related to stvr's,

778
00:33:26,935 --> 00:33:28,235
airbnb and we will send out a

779
00:33:28,235 --> 00:33:29,737
courtesy letter saying we have

780
00:33:29,737 --> 00:33:33,337
been doing this search and see

781
00:33:33,374 --> 00:33:34,750
that you are advertising for

782
00:33:34,750 --> 00:33:36,750
this particular overnight

783
00:33:38,446 --> 00:33:38,813
accommodation without a

784
00:33:38,813 --> 00:33:40,281
rentaling

785
00:33:40,281 --> 00:33:43,281
registration number. You have a

786
00:33:43,351 --> 00:33:45,420
period of time to come in to

787
00:33:45,420 --> 00:33:46,754
register, if not, we will inform

788
00:33:46,754 --> 00:33:48,423
the planning department. When

789
00:33:48,423 --> 00:33:50,358
we get that and they haven't

790
00:33:50,358 --> 00:33:53,561
taken the next step, we will

791
00:33:53,561 --> 00:33:55,230
take the next step after that.

792
00:33:55,230 --> 00:33:58,830
>>that's for someone that is not

793
00:33:58,933 --> 00:34:01,333
registered. I'm talking about

794
00:34:02,170 --> 00:34:05,170
registered tvrs, and if they

795
00:34:12,481 --> 00:34:13,480
come in is the decker system

796
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,480
going to have all the

797
00:34:17,452 --> 00:34:18,120
information and lability

798
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,520
will you be able

799
00:34:22,691 --> 00:34:24,860
to track that information.

800
00:34:24,860 --> 00:34:26,762
>>they did say there is contact.

801
00:34:26,762 --> 00:34:30,362
they can be contacted via the

802
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:33,802
website and information can be

803
00:34:33,802 --> 00:34:34,436
provided to them whether it's a

804
00:34:34,436 --> 00:34:35,137
complaint or whether it's

805
00:34:35,137 --> 00:34:38,137
questions or whatever it is.

806
00:34:38,473 --> 00:34:40,473
Planning department would

807
00:34:43,712 --> 00:34:45,380
typically if there is a

808
00:34:45,380 --> 00:34:45,747
complaint, we'll follow-up on

809
00:34:45,747 --> 00:34:46,782
that.

810
00:34:46,782 --> 00:34:49,182
>>where is that information

811
00:34:53,288 --> 00:34:54,220
being housed? Is it in your

812
00:34:54,220 --> 00:34:56,391
spreadsheet? What I'm trying to

813
00:34:56,391 --> 00:34:59,991
get at, will that information no

814
00:35:02,731 --> 00:35:05,100
matter who is handling, that

815
00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:07,970
information is in a repository.

816
00:35:07,970 --> 00:35:08,670
>>it's related to our epic

817
00:35:08,670 --> 00:35:10,238
system.

818
00:35:10,238 --> 00:35:12,608
>>I want an answer next time.

819
00:35:12,608 --> 00:35:14,977
Can we house that information in

820
00:35:14,977 --> 00:35:16,745
decker or is that going to

821
00:35:16,745 --> 00:35:18,814
require another widget to check.

822
00:35:18,814 --> 00:35:21,283
>>you are asking, so I'm clear,

823
00:35:21,283 --> 00:35:22,918
council chair, is that you want,

824
00:35:22,918 --> 00:35:24,453
if somebody wants to know how

825
00:35:24,453 --> 00:35:25,954
many complaints there were, they

826
00:35:25,954 --> 00:35:28,354
can go somewhere andee?

827
00:35:28,824 --> 00:35:31,694
>> I will get to that in a

828
00:35:31,694 --> 00:35:34,396
second. I just want to know,

829
00:35:34,396 --> 00:35:36,231
once a registration happens, a

830
00:35:36,231 --> 00:35:37,933
conditional number and eventual

831
00:35:37,933 --> 00:35:39,635
number s issued. If someone in

832
00:35:39,635 --> 00:35:41,203
the community were to call your

833
00:35:41,203 --> 00:35:44,203
office and issue a complaint

834
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,243
about a registered tr, where

835
00:35:47,243 --> 00:35:49,578
does that complaint information

836
00:35:49,578 --> 00:35:51,413
go? In a spreadsheet or on the

837
00:35:51,413 --> 00:35:52,948
profile that was created within

838
00:35:52,948 --> 00:35:53,213
decker? I'm just looking to

839
00:35:53,213 --> 00:35:53,849
-

840
00:35:53,849 --> 00:35:55,984
understand where all the

841
00:35:55,984 --> 00:35:58,320
information is being housed so

842
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,889
that we can track, you can track

843
00:35:59,889 --> 00:36:02,889
how those complaints are being

844
00:36:06,895 --> 00:36:07,630
addressed and resolved if there

845
00:36:07,630 --> 00:36:08,197
was any enforcement that needed

846
00:36:08,197 --> 00:36:09,464
to happen. That's all.

847
00:36:09,464 --> 00:36:11,300
>>sure. Ream quick

848
00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:14,300
l quick, I can answer

849
00:36:14,537 --> 00:36:17,873
that. Whether we ove forward or

850
00:36:17,873 --> 00:36:19,909
go back, complaints are always

851
00:36:19,909 --> 00:36:22,909
confidential. They go in our

852
00:36:26,715 --> 00:36:27,450
files and remain confidential.

853
00:36:27,450 --> 00:36:28,150
We follow-up on those. They are

854
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:28,851
assigned to an inspector and

855
00:36:28,851 --> 00:36:29,585
followed up to that complaint

856
00:36:29,585 --> 00:36:30,886
and all the information is held

857
00:36:30,886 --> 00:36:32,822
within that file.

858
00:36:32,822 --> 00:36:34,490
>>okay, the decker system, my

859
00:36:34,490 --> 00:36:37,293
next question. Is any of this

860
00:36:37,293 --> 00:36:39,128
information publicly searchable?

861
00:36:39,128 --> 00:36:42,728
So any member of the public

862
00:36:45,802 --> 00:36:47,269
could go online and search for a

863
00:36:47,269 --> 00:36:50,269
vacation rentals that has been

864
00:36:50,373 --> 00:36:52,773
registered with the county?

865
00:36:52,875 --> 00:36:54,177
>> the people should be allowed

866
00:36:54,177 --> 00:36:55,544
to get that information. It

867
00:36:55,544 --> 00:36:58,544
needs to be available from

868
00:37:25,408 --> 00:37:26,900
planning and from finance as

869
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:27,210
well. Dementia initiate

870
00:37:27,210 --> 00:37:27,877
well.

871
00:37:27,877 --> 00:37:28,578
>>vice-chair dennis "fresh"

872
00:37:28,578 --> 00:37:29,913
onishi: with certain systems,

873
00:37:29,913 --> 00:37:32,682
because I was working with

874
00:37:32,682 --> 00:37:34,317
public works. In the system,

875
00:37:34,317 --> 00:37:36,119
you can have these questions,

876
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:38,519
evaluate the application when

877
00:37:38,788 --> 00:37:41,788
they submit? Right? So you

878
00:37:42,425 --> 00:37:45,425
wouldn't need staff? Then it

879
00:37:46,529 --> 00:37:47,797
could red flag certain areas to

880
00:37:47,797 --> 00:37:50,133
the applicant, this is the

881
00:37:50,133 --> 00:37:50,700
problem, right? Have you guys

882
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:52,700
looked into that?

883
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:54,804
>> I know building has. I don't

884
00:37:54,804 --> 00:37:57,507
think we have at this point.

885
00:37:57,507 --> 00:37:59,943
There is talk about it, but it

886
00:37:59,943 --> 00:38:01,878
hasn't gotten to the point that

887
00:38:01,878 --> 00:38:06,780
I think they are looking at cost

888
00:38:07,917 --> 00:38:08,551
and what it's going to take to

889
00:38:08,551 --> 00:38:11,551
implement that type of ai

890
00:38:34,511 --> 00:38:35,245
program. I'm not sure if it can

891
00:38:35,245 --> 00:38:36,947
be done with planning. That is

892
00:38:36,947 --> 00:38:37,514
regarding the needinging the

893
00:38:37,514 --> 00:38:39,160
the ai

894
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,416
functions that are happening

895
00:38:43,653 --> 00:38:45,653
now.

896
00:38:47,257 --> 00:38:47,824
>>okay. I forgot my second

897
00:38:47,824 --> 00:38:49,824
question.

898
00:38:50,930 --> 00:38:53,196
>>I guess I can send you an

899
00:38:53,196 --> 00:38:55,565
email later because there is a

900
00:38:55,565 --> 00:38:57,968
professor at uh hilo that does

901
00:38:57,968 --> 00:39:00,470
some work with ai, and we are

902
00:39:00,470 --> 00:39:02,372
also looking at trying to get

903
00:39:02,372 --> 00:39:04,700
involved with doing certain

904
00:39:04,700 --> 00:39:05,375
things for the county with

905
00:39:05,375 --> 00:39:07,375
public works.

906
00:39:08,312 --> 00:39:10,681
>>I think I get like ten e-mails

907
00:39:10,681 --> 00:39:13,917
a day from ai companies asking

908
00:39:13,917 --> 00:39:15,552
to have us hire them.

909
00:39:15,552 --> 00:39:17,688
>>yeah, but something that could

910
00:39:17,688 --> 00:39:18,955
help the process.

911
00:39:18,955 --> 00:39:20,955
>>sure, of course.

912
00:39:22,590 --> 00:39:23,627
>>making it easier and also

913
00:39:23,627 --> 00:39:24,928
making it easier for the

914
00:39:24,928 --> 00:39:26,597
applicant. That's what we are

915
00:39:26,597 --> 00:39:29,199
here for is to service the

916
00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:31,368
applicant. Right now they can't

917
00:39:31,368 --> 00:39:34,710
even save their application. So

918
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:35,839
making sure they have all the

919
00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:38,839
information. How many of them

920
00:39:40,744 --> 00:39:42,746
do have all that prepared? So

921
00:39:42,746 --> 00:39:46,346
you could have a lot of

922
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:50,454
frustrated people out there.

923
00:39:50,454 --> 00:39:51,540
>>

924
00:39:51,540 --> 00:39:51,788
>> council member matt

925
00:39:51,788 --> 00:39:53,788
kanealii-kleinfelder: maybe I'm

926
00:39:54,910 --> 00:39:55,525
asking the same question a

927
00:39:55,525 --> 00:39:58,525
different way. We didn't want

928
00:40:01,899 --> 00:40:02,600
to use epic for this?

929
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:03,334
>> I don't think epic has the

930
00:40:03,334 --> 00:40:04,680
capability of doing this. It's

931
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,270
a web based program that needs

932
00:40:06,270 --> 00:40:06,604
to be online.

933
00:40:06,604 --> 00:40:08,604
>>okay.

934
00:40:09,373 --> 00:40:12,209
>>our epic system is like we

935
00:40:12,209 --> 00:40:14,945
house our information. You can

936
00:40:14,945 --> 00:40:16,146
submit into it and then it's

937
00:40:16,146 --> 00:40:18,546
assigned to somebody. This

938
00:40:22,186 --> 00:40:23,320
actually does the work for us.

939
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,188
You end up going. You fill out a

940
00:40:25,188 --> 00:40:27,524
registration form, you create an

941
00:40:27,524 --> 00:40:31,724
account. You are able to go back

942
00:40:32,129 --> 00:40:34,231
to that account later to do 3

943
00:40:34,231 --> 00:40:35,767
additional upgrades or edits or

944
00:40:35,767 --> 00:40:37,835
change of information or pay

945
00:40:37,835 --> 00:40:40,835
your annual fees, all through

946
00:40:41,238 --> 00:40:42,540
this program. All of that

947
00:40:42,540 --> 00:40:45,540
information will be input into

948
00:40:47,745 --> 00:40:48,328
our epic system for us for

949
00:40:48,328 --> 00:40:50,328
information.

950
00:40:51,516 --> 00:40:52,480
>>so eckard is going to

951
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:52,917
interact?

952
00:40:52,917 --> 00:40:54,917
>> yes.

953
00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:58,456
>>maybe we should cancel our

954
00:40:58,456 --> 00:41:00,491
epic contract and move it over.

955
00:41:00,491 --> 00:41:01,926
>>I'm not going to comment on

956
00:41:01,926 --> 00:41:03,628
that, but there has been a lot

957
00:41:03,628 --> 00:41:05,628
of comments.

958
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:06,864
>>thank you. I yield.

959
00:41:06,864 --> 00:41:07,598
>> council member ashley

960
00:41:07,598 --> 00:41:09,901
kierkiewicz: one more question

961
00:41:09,901 --> 00:41:12,301
to ask the director.

962
00:41:13,604 --> 00:41:14,939
Registration 645-c, the duty of

963
00:41:14,939 --> 00:41:16,541
the owner to maintain the

964
00:41:16,541 --> 00:41:18,342
occurrence nd accuracy of the

965
00:41:18,342 --> 00:41:20,178
information provided. Any

966
00:41:20,178 --> 00:41:22,130
changes to the status, will that

967
00:41:22,130 --> 00:41:23,581
need to be shared via a form

968
00:41:23,581 --> 00:41:25,783
prescribed by the director or

969
00:41:25,783 --> 00:41:26,484
can that happen within he

970
00:41:26,484 --> 00:41:28,484
deckard system?

971
00:41:38,763 --> 00:41:40,763
>> 645-c?

972
00:41:41,733 --> 00:41:43,634
In the system, they have a

973
00:41:43,634 --> 00:41:46,371
change of information form that

974
00:41:46,371 --> 00:41:48,439
you can fill out and do that.

975
00:41:48,439 --> 00:41:50,675
Whatever it is. If it's change

976
00:41:50,675 --> 00:41:51,442
of ownership, that's a little

977
00:41:51,442 --> 00:41:53,311
different. There is another

978
00:41:53,311 --> 00:41:55,460
form for that, but any

979
00:41:55,460 --> 00:41:56,414
information you need to change

980
00:41:56,414 --> 00:41:59,651
on your registration, you can do

981
00:41:59,651 --> 00:42:03,251
that to that process and update

982
00:42:05,490 --> 00:42:06,224
it.

983
00:42:06,224 --> 00:42:06,925
>>sorry, the question that I had

984
00:42:06,925 --> 00:42:09,727
was also about the status. If

985
00:42:09,727 --> 00:42:11,930
they elect to terminate the

986
00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:13,198
registration, can that be done

987
00:42:13,198 --> 00:42:16,198
through deckard or another form?

988
00:42:17,169 --> 00:42:20,169
>> it will be done through

989
00:42:23,942 --> 00:42:24,643
deckard, cancellation, those

990
00:42:24,643 --> 00:42:28,243
things. As well as to update

991
00:42:29,514 --> 00:42:32,514
the particular status for the

992
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:36,254
stvr's, whatever it is and they

993
00:42:36,254 --> 00:42:37,755
monitor that. We have a lot of

994
00:42:37,755 --> 00:42:39,691
questions and still have a lot

995
00:42:39,691 --> 00:42:42,294
to go. And one question was

996
00:42:42,294 --> 00:42:43,828
around people using the same

997
00:42:43,828 --> 00:42:46,431
number several times and they

998
00:42:46,431 --> 00:42:48,767
say all the time. They are

999
00:42:48,767 --> 00:42:49,967
constantly able to catch all of

1000
00:42:49,967 --> 00:42:51,469
this activity online.

1001
00:42:51,469 --> 00:42:52,137
>>thank you, director.

1002
00:42:52,137 --> 00:42:53,571
>>council member heather l.

1003
00:42:53,571 --> 00:42:55,540
Kimball: thank you. I want to

1004
00:42:55,540 --> 00:42:56,808
encourage everybody between now

1005
00:42:56,808 --> 00:43:01,800
and the first reading if we get

1006
00:43:12,691 --> 00:43:15,270
there, to ook at the

1007
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:18,630
they have a lot of case studies

1008
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:19,965
here that show you the type of

1009
00:43:19,965 --> 00:43:21,967
tools they have available. I

1010
00:43:21,967 --> 00:43:24,135
think, director, perhaps if

1011
00:43:24,135 --> 00:43:26,304
before the next reading, I think

1012
00:43:26,304 --> 00:43:30,504
it might be useful to share the

1013
00:43:33,879 --> 00:43:34,613
rfp that went out, just from the

1014
00:43:34,613 --> 00:43:35,314
standpoint that you can see the

1015
00:43:35,314 --> 00:43:37,714
features that were requested

1016
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,419
when we put out the request for

1017
00:43:40,419 --> 00:43:42,154
proposals. This is what we do

1018
00:43:42,154 --> 00:43:43,288
and it's not just the

1019
00:43:43,288 --> 00:43:44,223
registration that they are

1020
00:43:44,223 --> 00:43:46,623
providing but providing the

1021
00:43:47,392 --> 00:43:50,392
search function that go through

1022
00:43:51,330 --> 00:43:54,299
all the listings through vrbo

1023
00:43:54,299 --> 00:43:56,835
and airbnb and will show online

1024
00:43:56,835 --> 00:44:00,435
what is registered and what is

1025
00:44:02,740 --> 00:44:04,710
out there for transient rental.

1026
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:08,910
There is a lot of value out

1027
00:44:09,148 --> 00:44:11,500
there. There is a lot with ai

1028
00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:14,500
in the process accepting the

1029
00:44:14,420 --> 00:44:16,522
special application and tie into

1030
00:44:16,522 --> 00:44:19,522
the existing platform. It would

1031
00:44:20,126 --> 00:44:24,926
be great to see that rfp and the

1032
00:44:27,660 --> 00:44:27,800
features. Tracking the

1033
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:28,534
violations and notices as well.

1034
00:44:28,534 --> 00:44:29,268
>>thank you very much. Any other

1035
00:44:29,268 --> 00:44:31,670
questions or comments? If not,

1036
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:34,907
we'll move to a vote on the

1037
00:44:34,907 --> 00:44:35,374
measure. Seeing none. All in

1038
00:44:35,374 --> 00:44:35,708
favor say, "aye"

1039
00:44:35,708 --> 00:44:37,708
>> aye.

1040
00:44:41,814 --> 00:44:44,214
>> any opposed? Motion carried

1041
00:44:47,850 --> 00:44:49,850
with 9 aye votes.

1042
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:54,710
>>bill 175 will be heard at

1043
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:54,393
first reading.

1044
00:44:54,393 --> 00:44:55,461
>>thank you.

1045
00:44:55,461 --> 00:44:56,595
>>is there

1046
00:44:56,595 --> 00:44:57,263
>>clerk: is there any testimony

1047
00:44:57,263 --> 00:44:57,539
for bill 176? Seeing none.

1048
00:44:57,539 --> 00:44:58,431
>>

1049
00:44:58,431 --> 00:44:59,980
article 1, of the hawaii county

1050
00:44:59,980 --> 00:44:59,732
code 1983 (2016 edition, as

1051
00:44:59,732 --> 00:45:00,132
amended), relating to the

1052
00:45:00,132 --> 00:45:00,867
general plan

1053
00:45:00,867 --> 00:45:01,600
establishes amendment procedures

1054
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:02,334
for the general plan, including

1055
00:45:02,334 --> 00:45:03,350
a comprehensive review every ten

1056
00:45:03,350 --> 00:45:03,769
years and interim amendments;

1057
00:45:03,769 --> 00:45:04,403
describes powers and duties of

1058
00:45:04,403 --> 00:45:04,970
the planning director and

1059
00:45:04,970 --> 00:45:05,504
planning commissions.

1060
00:45:05,504 --> 00:45:06,905
Reference: comm. 968

1061
00:45:06,905 --> 00:45:09,905
intr. By: council members inaba

1062
00:45:22,989 --> 00:45:23,656
and kierkiewicz

1063
00:45:23,656 --> 00:45:26,560
>>chair holeka goro inaba:

1064
00:45:27,260 --> 00:45:28,294
motion to forward bill 176 to 3

1065
00:45:28,294 --> 00:45:28,828
council with a favorable

1066
00:45:28,828 --> 00:45:29,862
recommendation.

1067
00:45:29,862 --> 00:45:30,530
>>thank you. We have a motion

1068
00:45:30,530 --> 00:45:33,530
and second y council member

1069
00:45:34,333 --> 00:45:36,135
inaba and onishi to forward bill

1070
00:45:36,135 --> 00:45:36,936
176 to council with a favorable

1071
00:45:36,936 --> 00:45:38,704
recommendation. At this time,

1072
00:45:38,704 --> 00:45:41,704
please let the record reflect

1073
00:45:45,411 --> 00:45:47,460
that I'm passing the gavel to

1074
00:45:47,460 --> 00:45:49,446
committee vice chair galimba.

1075
00:45:50,115 --> 00:45:51,984
I'm the coauthor of the

1076
00:45:51,984 --> 00:45:52,685
legislation. Thank you.

1077
00:45:52,685 --> 00:45:53,520
>> council member michelle m.

1078
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:53,720
Galimba:

1079
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:56,120
>>chair holeka goro inaba:

1080
00:45:56,389 --> 00:45:59,258
thank you. Bill 176, is our bill

1081
00:45:59,258 --> 00:46:02,858
to codify in the hawai'I county

1082
00:46:05,698 --> 00:46:08,698
code, our general plan amendment

1083
00:46:15,410 --> 00:46:15,775
procedures both conferring the

1084
00:46:15,775 --> 00:46:16,509
vering the

1085
00:46:16,509 --> 00:46:17,243
comprehensive review as well as

1086
00:46:17,243 --> 00:46:17,977
amendments to the general plan

1087
00:46:17,977 --> 00:46:18,578
to the county director and the

1088
00:46:18,578 --> 00:46:20,113
planning crore.

1089
00:46:20,113 --> 00:46:21,914
Director. This bill, as

1090
00:46:21,914 --> 00:46:23,650
we know, we were making

1091
00:46:23,650 --> 00:46:27,250
amendments as we were locked out

1092
00:46:30,757 --> 00:46:31,458
of the last comprehensive review

1093
00:46:31,458 --> 00:46:32,358
part of because of the rules

1094
00:46:32,358 --> 00:46:34,894
lived in the general plan but

1095
00:46:34,894 --> 00:46:36,195
now we'll codify it. As an

1096
00:46:36,195 --> 00:46:38,595
overview, this process still

1097
00:46:39,465 --> 00:46:40,934
requires a ten year cycle for

1098
00:46:40,934 --> 00:46:42,100
comprehensive reviews. It

1099
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:43,603
requires public notice and

1100
00:46:43,603 --> 00:46:45,603
opportunity for public

1101
00:46:46,506 --> 00:46:48,775
participation including at least

1102
00:46:48,775 --> 00:46:50,810
one workshop in each council

1103
00:46:50,810 --> 00:46:53,413
district. It gets us, the

1104
00:46:53,413 --> 00:46:54,581
council, the opportunity to

1105
00:46:54,581 --> 00:46:56,981
identify proposed amendments for

1106
00:46:57,517 --> 00:46:58,685
the planning director to

1107
00:46:58,685 --> 00:47:00,685
consider. Aain, the

1108
00:47:04,424 --> 00:47:06,359
requirement for review by both

1109
00:47:06,359 --> 00:47:08,759
the planning commissions which

1110
00:47:08,862 --> 00:47:10,330
is required by our charter and I

1111
00:47:10,330 --> 00:47:13,330
believe state law as well.

1112
00:47:13,767 --> 00:47:16,736
Establish is a general timeline

1113
00:47:16,736 --> 00:47:18,705
so we still have a three year

1114
00:47:18,705 --> 00:47:20,340
window from initiation to when

1115
00:47:20,340 --> 00:47:22,740
the planning department should

1116
00:47:23,443 --> 00:47:26,443
be transmitting it to council

1117
00:47:27,981 --> 00:47:30,981
for our action. If you

1118
00:47:33,787 --> 00:47:35,787
reference communication 968.3.

1119
00:47:36,389 --> 00:47:38,191
We have a graphic that shows the

1120
00:47:38,191 --> 00:47:40,594
process. So we can just talk

1121
00:47:40,594 --> 00:47:42,162
through it. The bill states hat

1122
00:47:42,162 --> 00:47:43,430
prior to the initiation the

1123
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:45,830
planning department would work

1124
00:47:48,502 --> 00:47:50,938
on creating a draft and at the

1125
00:47:50,938 --> 00:47:53,338
beginning, the director would

1126
00:47:54,341 --> 00:47:56,143
share this draft with us, and as

1127
00:47:56,143 --> 00:47:58,445
part of the public notice inform

1128
00:47:58,445 --> 00:48:00,714
us of whether the plan is being

1129
00:48:00,714 --> 00:48:03,317
replaced at it was in this last

1130
00:48:03,317 --> 00:48:06,530
round or if there is slight

1131
00:48:06,530 --> 00:48:08,355
adjustments being made from that

1132
00:48:08,355 --> 00:48:10,791
point. The council has 120 days

1133
00:48:10,791 --> 00:48:13,191
to propose amendments via

1134
00:48:13,927 --> 00:48:16,630
resolution for the director's

1135
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:17,197
consideration, and then the

1136
00:48:17,197 --> 00:48:19,597
planning department has some

1137
00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:23,100
time to work through those

1138
00:48:24,772 --> 00:48:26,390
public workshops. The planning

1139
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:28,342
commission has to do with any

1140
00:48:28,342 --> 00:48:30,944
other bill for ordinance that

1141
00:48:30,944 --> 00:48:33,347
they recommend to the council,

1142
00:48:33,347 --> 00:48:35,249
again, make recommendation onto

1143
00:48:35,249 --> 00:48:37,170
the planning director's set of

1144
00:48:37,170 --> 00:48:38,919
recommendations. I think the

1145
00:48:38,919 --> 00:48:41,555
biggest change here for us to

1146
00:48:41,555 --> 00:48:43,324
recognize is that when it's

1147
00:48:43,324 --> 00:48:46,324
transmitted to the council, the

1148
00:48:46,994 --> 00:48:48,929
council has full authority to do

1149
00:48:48,929 --> 00:48:50,640
its legislative work. As we saw

1150
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,650
in the previous amendment

1151
00:48:52,650 --> 00:48:54,465
procedures for the comprehensive

1152
00:48:55,369 --> 00:48:57,504
review, we were barred from the

1153
00:48:57,504 --> 00:48:59,940
removal or addition or taking

1154
00:48:59,940 --> 00:49:02,340
any ubstantive amendments. So

1155
00:49:02,343 --> 00:49:04,878
that language is gone. Being

1156
00:49:04,878 --> 00:49:06,347
that it is a planning department

1157
00:49:06,347 --> 00:49:08,149
initiated process, they are the

1158
00:49:08,149 --> 00:49:09,250
ones who create the

1159
00:49:09,250 --> 00:49:10,284
recommendations and send it

1160
00:49:10,284 --> 00:49:11,819
through the commission even

1161
00:49:11,819 --> 00:49:14,387
though we have an opportunity to

1162
00:49:14,387 --> 00:49:16,230
chime in at the beginning via

1163
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:18,423
resolution, we found it

1164
00:49:18,459 --> 00:49:21,829
necessary to be very clear that

1165
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:25,429
you have full authority to amend

1166
00:49:26,167 --> 00:49:28,369
prior to the passing of this

1167
00:49:28,369 --> 00:49:31,369
legislation. In addition, we do

1168
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,744
have a timeline as well. If the

1169
00:49:36,744 --> 00:49:38,979
director does not provide the

1170
00:49:38,979 --> 00:49:40,781
draft to the council within five

1171
00:49:40,781 --> 00:49:43,151
years, that process is deemed

1172
00:49:43,151 --> 00:49:46,751
closed. That's to allow us to

1173
00:49:51,250 --> 00:49:51,692
have an opportunity to make

1174
00:49:51,692 --> 00:49:52,426
interim amendments. Nothing

1175
00:49:52,426 --> 00:49:53,270
prevents the planning department

1176
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:54,629
from republican

1177
00:49:54,629 --> 00:49:56,964
initiating using the same

1178
00:49:56,964 --> 00:49:59,600
draft they were working on, but

1179
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:00,935
there needs to be some kind of

1180
00:50:00,935 --> 00:50:04,535
deadline which is what is being

1181
00:50:07,108 --> 00:50:07,842
presented here. I'm going to

1182
00:50:07,842 --> 00:50:08,576
hand it over to council member

1183
00:50:08,576 --> 00:50:11,576
kierkiewicz to speak about the

1184
00:50:11,879 --> 00:50:12,513
interim amendments.

1185
00:50:12,513 --> 00:50:13,715
>> council member ashley

1186
00:50:13,715 --> 00:50:15,483
kierkiewicz: this will be my

1187
00:50:15,483 --> 00:50:17,883
public therapy session because

1188
00:50:21,556 --> 00:50:22,223
with the last go around there is

1189
00:50:22,223 --> 00:50:23,224
so much trauma and tension

1190
00:50:23,224 --> 00:50:24,559
because of what was in the

1191
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:26,794
general plan itself and the

1192
00:50:26,794 --> 00:50:27,962
future and the inherit authority

1193
00:50:27,962 --> 00:50:29,430
granted through the charter.

1194
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:32,634
There was a lot of conflict

1195
00:50:32,634 --> 00:50:35,634
there. This code amendment would

1196
00:50:35,737 --> 00:50:37,438
provide clarity whether there is

1197
00:50:37,438 --> 00:50:38,907
ambiguity and transparency and

1198
00:50:38,907 --> 00:50:40,907
predictability within the

1199
00:50:40,909 --> 00:50:42,644
process. I also really

1200
00:50:42,644 --> 00:50:44,445
appreciate the fact that the

1201
00:50:44,445 --> 00:50:46,845
process cannot go on

1202
00:50:47,682 --> 00:50:50,820
indefinitely. This last general

1203
00:50:55,156 --> 00:50:56,691
plan stands four mayoral

1204
00:50:56,691 --> 00:50:58,860
administrations which is kind of

1205
00:50:58,860 --> 00:51:00,328
insane. So this ensures that

1206
00:51:00,328 --> 00:51:02,564
everyone involved in the

1207
00:51:02,564 --> 00:51:04,232
department, the council t

1208
00:51:04,232 --> 00:51:05,567
community, they know their

1209
00:51:05,567 --> 00:51:07,967
responsibilities and know when

1210
00:51:08,403 --> 00:51:10,138
to act and within what

1211
00:51:10,138 --> 00:51:12,474
timeframe. There are separate

1212
00:51:12,474 --> 00:51:13,975
procedures for the initial

1213
00:51:13,975 --> 00:51:14,976
comprehensive review as well as

1214
00:51:14,976 --> 00:51:16,478
interim amendment and you can

1215
00:51:16,478 --> 00:51:19,478
see the process for interim

1216
00:51:19,948 --> 00:51:22,948
amendment in section 16b, I'm

1217
00:51:25,554 --> 00:51:27,155
sorry. I apologize. 16 f for

1218
00:51:27,155 --> 00:51:29,424
council initiated. The council

1219
00:51:29,424 --> 00:51:31,824
members can proposed amendments

1220
00:51:35,897 --> 00:51:36,564
at any time. Those amendments

1221
00:51:36,564 --> 00:51:37,232
would be transmitted to the

1222
00:51:37,232 --> 00:51:38,967
director and both planning

1223
00:51:38,967 --> 00:51:40,435
commissions prior to their first

1224
00:51:40,435 --> 00:51:42,904
meeting for review. The director

1225
00:51:42,904 --> 00:51:45,440
has 30 days to review and

1226
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,410
provide recommendations to the

1227
00:51:47,410 --> 00:51:49,410
commissions. 60 days after

1228
00:51:53,915 --> 00:51:54,616
revving the director's comments,

1229
00:51:54,616 --> 00:51:57,850
the commissioners are to act

1230
00:51:57,850 --> 00:51:59,210
upon what has been send to them

1231
00:51:59,210 --> 00:52:01,210
t o them

1232
00:52:02,900 --> 00:52:05,690
and respond to council and after

1233
00:52:07,495 --> 00:52:09,970
that period with no response, it

1234
00:52:09,970 --> 00:52:10,665
will be sent without the

1235
00:52:10,665 --> 00:52:12,634
recommendation. The council MAY

1236
00:52:12,634 --> 00:52:15,340
act upon revving those

1237
00:52:21,276 --> 00:52:21,977
recommendations or 90 days after

1238
00:52:21,977 --> 00:52:22,711
revving from the director for

1239
00:52:22,711 --> 00:52:24,279
review whichever occurs first.

1240
00:52:24,279 --> 00:52:25,814
There is a time frame here where

1241
00:52:25,814 --> 00:52:27,349
the director can provide

1242
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:29,284
comments, if not the council

1243
00:52:29,284 --> 00:52:31,587
will move forward. The director

1244
00:52:31,587 --> 00:52:33,555
is also empowered through

1245
00:52:33,555 --> 00:52:35,390
section g to initiate interim

1246
00:52:35,390 --> 00:52:36,992
amendments. Again, very similar

1247
00:52:36,992 --> 00:52:38,694
process. The director would

1248
00:52:38,694 --> 00:52:40,963
propose an amendment, ransmit

1249
00:52:40,963 --> 00:52:41,227
it to planning commissions with

1250
00:52:41,227 --> 00:52:43,165
-

1251
00:52:43,165 --> 00:52:44,767
a written justification for why

1252
00:52:44,767 --> 00:52:47,202
he or she is making that

1253
00:52:47,202 --> 00:52:49,602
recommendation for an amendment.

1254
00:52:49,972 --> 00:52:51,740
Commission's review and send a

1255
00:52:51,740 --> 00:52:53,809
recommendation to the council,

1256
00:52:53,809 --> 00:52:55,544
and the council moves forward

1257
00:52:55,544 --> 00:52:57,944
with its legislative process

1258
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,680
with either adopting amendments

1259
00:53:01,650 --> 00:53:04,500
or rejecting amendments proposed

1260
00:53:04,686 --> 00:53:07,686
interim amendment. I hope that

1261
00:53:12,228 --> 00:53:12,928
provides clarity for how this

1262
00:53:12,928 --> 00:53:13,629
process will play out in the

1263
00:53:13,629 --> 00:53:14,430
future. It's best home is in

1264
00:53:14,430 --> 00:53:16,232
the code, not the document

1265
00:53:16,232 --> 00:53:18,330
itself. We are open to questions

1266
00:53:18,330 --> 00:53:21,330
and feedback members MAY have.

1267
00:53:21,904 --> 00:53:23,105
Thank you for the opportunity.

1268
00:53:23,105 --> 00:53:23,805
>>thank you.

1269
00:53:23,805 --> 00:53:24,540
>> council member michelle m.

1270
00:53:24,540 --> 00:53:25,274
Galimba: council member inaba?

1271
00:53:25,274 --> 00:53:28,100
>>chair holeka goro inaba: just

1272
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:31,610
as a follow-up, we do have

1273
00:53:32,448 --> 00:53:34,448
communication 916.2. Which is

1274
00:53:34,483 --> 00:53:36,883
written comments from the

1275
00:53:37,620 --> 00:53:39,655
planning department on this

1276
00:53:39,655 --> 00:53:42,491
bill. I do want to note that my

1277
00:53:42,491 --> 00:53:45,491
intention is to hear everyone's

1278
00:53:49,665 --> 00:53:50,400
feedback today and to postpone

1279
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:51,267
to the next committee meeting so

1280
00:53:51,267 --> 00:53:55,338
we can work on this and come up

1281
00:53:55,338 --> 00:53:56,572
with the right language moving

1282
00:53:56,572 --> 00:53:57,873
forward. Director, do you want

1283
00:53:57,873 --> 00:54:00,810
to walk through some ofours?

1284
00:54:00,810 --> 00:54:01,444
>> sure.

1285
00:54:01,444 --> 00:54:03,444
>> planning director jeff

1286
00:54:04,881 --> 00:54:06,215
darrow: thank you, chair,

1287
00:54:06,215 --> 00:54:07,917
vice-chair. Really appreciate

1288
00:54:07,917 --> 00:54:09,952
the opportunity to work in

1289
00:54:09,952 --> 00:54:12,352
collaboration with chair inaba

1290
00:54:15,191 --> 00:54:17,426
on this. Oerall, we are very

1291
00:54:17,426 --> 00:54:19,662
thankful for the time and effort

1292
00:54:19,662 --> 00:54:22,465
that was put into this to spell

1293
00:54:22,465 --> 00:54:26,650
this out much clearer than our

1294
00:54:26,502 --> 00:54:27,870
last go around. Hopefully, I

1295
00:54:27,870 --> 00:54:31,774
don't think any of us will be

1296
00:54:31,774 --> 00:54:35,974
here then in the future. I hope

1297
00:54:42,385 --> 00:54:43,519
not. But, but just in case. So

1298
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:45,488
on 16.1, we are just asking that

1299
00:54:45,488 --> 00:54:48,488
they consider keeping the date

1300
00:54:54,264 --> 00:54:54,998
of DECEMBER 5, 1971, as that was

1301
00:54:54,998 --> 00:54:58,598
an important date in regards to

1302
00:55:01,538 --> 00:55:03,840
the first adopted general plan.

1303
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,242
16a, initiation, this is unique.

1304
00:55:06,242 --> 00:55:07,777
Usually we initiate and then we

1305
00:55:07,777 --> 00:55:10,777
prepare. This is prepare and

1306
00:55:11,948 --> 00:55:13,516
then initiate. We are just

1307
00:55:13,516 --> 00:55:15,916
concerned about that because

1308
00:55:16,219 --> 00:55:19,489
typically what we do is take in

1309
00:55:19,489 --> 00:55:21,758
input and then prepare.

1310
00:55:21,758 --> 00:55:25,358
I can see this process working

1311
00:55:25,995 --> 00:55:30,195
if you are looking at an overall

1312
00:55:32,235 --> 00:55:32,903
comprehensive amendment of the

1313
00:55:32,903 --> 00:55:33,603
current plan, and doing an

1314
00:55:33,603 --> 00:55:34,704
amendment you go through it,

1315
00:55:34,704 --> 00:55:36,339
make amendments, package it and

1316
00:55:36,339 --> 00:55:38,339
then provide it.

1317
00:55:39,420 --> 00:55:41,578
In what we just saw in the last 3

1318
00:55:41,578 --> 00:55:45,178
go around, it was a completely

1319
00:55:46,482 --> 00:55:48,284
new plan. Both 2040 and 2045,

1320
00:55:48,284 --> 00:55:51,210
did not amend the previous

1321
00:55:51,210 --> 00:55:53,421
plans. They basically created

1322
00:55:55,659 --> 00:55:57,727
new plans. We incorporate a lot

1323
00:55:57,727 --> 00:55:59,496
of direction from the council

1324
00:55:59,496 --> 00:56:01,896
through the resolutions through

1325
00:56:02,999 --> 00:56:05,399
the different agencies, and

1326
00:56:05,635 --> 00:56:07,337
through public comments to

1327
00:56:07,337 --> 00:56:09,737
incorporate and prepare that

1328
00:56:10,707 --> 00:56:12,976
plan. But again, that's one of

1329
00:56:12,976 --> 00:56:16,576
the things that we can work

1330
00:56:17,881 --> 00:56:21,481
through as we postpone and meet

1331
00:56:21,652 --> 00:56:25,252
together and come up with some

1332
00:56:29,250 --> 00:56:31,250
language. Public comments

1333
00:56:32,296 --> 00:56:34,531
workshops on 16b. Again, the

1334
00:56:34,531 --> 00:56:37,531
concern was right now whenever

1335
00:56:38,468 --> 00:56:40,571
there is a change to someone's

1336
00:56:40,571 --> 00:56:42,971
property that would redesignate

1337
00:56:44,141 --> 00:56:47,141
it to either open or

1338
00:56:47,444 --> 00:56:50,444
conservation, that there be a

1339
00:57:04,528 --> 00:57:06,597
notice provided. I think that --

1340
00:57:06,597 --> 00:57:07,998
let's see, the planning director

1341
00:57:07,998 --> 00:57:09,467
shall. We know the proposed

1342
00:57:09,467 --> 00:57:10,668
process does not include the

1343
00:57:10,668 --> 00:57:13,680
requirement to notify property

1344
00:57:20,210 --> 00:57:22,610
owners. We recommend k

1345
00:57:24,348 --> 00:57:26,150
16d, we are just unclear about,

1346
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:29,150
we just are requesting some

1347
00:57:29,220 --> 00:57:31,620
clarity on this particular

1348
00:57:36,694 --> 00:57:38,762
process spelled out in 16d.

1349
00:57:38,762 --> 00:57:40,598
Lastly, the legislative report.

1350
00:57:40,598 --> 00:57:42,199
I'm sorry, one more before that

1351
00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:44,769
again, we are asking to clarify

1352
00:57:44,769 --> 00:57:47,404
the intent of the legislative

1353
00:57:47,404 --> 00:57:49,540
history report and where it is 3

1354
00:57:49,540 --> 00:57:52,540
filed especially in the case

1355
00:57:52,776 --> 00:57:55,176
that the planning director's

1356
00:57:56,347 --> 00:57:58,347
recommendations are rejected.

1357
00:57:59,250 --> 00:58:02,250
Lastly, 16f, we are requesting

1358
00:58:04,822 --> 00:58:07,725
that it remain 60 days rather

1359
00:58:07,725 --> 00:58:10,328
than 30 days. 30 days is a 3

1360
00:58:10,328 --> 00:58:12,728
pretty tight timeline especially

1361
00:58:14,966 --> 00:58:16,400
given everything that goes on.

1362
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:16,701
Anyway, thank you.

1363
00:58:16,701 --> 00:58:17,368
>>

1364
00:58:17,368 --> 00:58:18,970
>>chair holeka goro inaba:

1365
00:58:18,970 --> 00:58:20,204
thank you, director. I will

1366
00:58:20,204 --> 00:58:23,204
briefly summarize that we for

1367
00:58:23,374 --> 00:58:26,377
sure are willing to address. I

1368
00:58:26,377 --> 00:58:28,790
will walk us through from the

1369
00:58:28,790 --> 00:58:29,447
top of the director's comments.

1370
00:58:29,447 --> 00:58:31,782
I don't think we'll be keeping

1371
00:58:31,782 --> 00:58:33,718
the original 1971. We MAY have

1372
00:58:33,718 --> 00:58:36,718
further discussion on that, but

1373
00:58:37,922 --> 00:58:40,558
as of now, probably not. The

1374
00:58:40,558 --> 00:58:42,958
initiation note, having the

1375
00:58:43,928 --> 00:58:44,995
draft created prior to the

1376
00:58:44,995 --> 00:58:47,331
initiation, it's something we

1377
00:58:47,331 --> 00:58:49,767
felt would be helpful to

1378
00:58:49,767 --> 00:58:51,969
everyone because when the

1379
00:58:51,969 --> 00:58:54,969
initiation notice goes out, it

1380
00:58:54,972 --> 00:58:58,900
informs us of how it's going to

1381
00:58:58,900 --> 00:58:59,277
be. So, happy to, that's

1382
00:58:59,277 --> 00:59:01,279
something I would like to hear

1383
00:59:01,279 --> 00:59:02,480
from the body on, but again,

1384
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,649
they have three years from

1385
00:59:04,649 --> 00:59:06,617
initiation to get something to

1386
00:59:06,617 --> 00:59:08,987
council. So if planning

1387
00:59:08,987 --> 00:59:11,387
department knows that the

1388
00:59:11,755 --> 00:59:14,920
comprehensive review is coming

1389
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:15,326
up, they have potentially ten

1390
00:59:15,326 --> 00:59:17,462
years to prepare some kind of

1391
00:59:17,462 --> 00:59:21,662
draft to share as part of the

1392
00:59:24,340 --> 00:59:27,340
initiation notice. When it comes

1393
00:59:29,874 --> 00:59:32,430
to the closure, there was

1394
00:59:32,430 --> 00:59:33,478
comments from the department

1395
00:59:33,478 --> 00:59:35,713
regarding, being very clear that

1396
00:59:35,713 --> 00:59:37,315
the council has the authority o

1397
00:59:37,315 --> 00:59:40,315
make amendments because it says

1398
00:59:44,422 --> 00:59:45,156
either pass or rject. So we'll

1399
00:59:45,156 --> 00:59:45,890
be clarifying that language as

1400
00:59:45,890 --> 00:59:46,958
well as the legislative history

1401
00:59:46,958 --> 00:59:48,426
report to be specific about

1402
00:59:48,426 --> 00:59:49,861
workshops not having minutes

1403
00:59:49,861 --> 00:59:51,563
since they aren't recorded.

1404
00:59:51,563 --> 00:59:53,565
We'll make sure we tighten up

1405
00:59:53,565 --> 00:59:57,165
that language. E will make that

1406
00:59:59,137 --> 01:00:00,972
change from 30-60 days.

1407
01:00:00,972 --> 01:00:02,741
Generally not too much change

1408
01:00:02,741 --> 01:00:05,741
from what happened. The most

1409
01:00:05,877 --> 01:00:08,380
significant change is being able

1410
01:00:08,380 --> 01:00:11,380
to make the required amendments

1411
01:00:11,850 --> 01:00:14,520
when it comes to council.

1412
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,521
We won't be including the public

1413
01:00:16,521 --> 01:00:18,723
notice. It doesn't change.

1414
01:00:18,723 --> 01:00:21,723
Sorry, the notice to property

1415
01:00:24,395 --> 01:00:24,918
owners either bus

1416
01:00:24,918 --> 01:00:26,498
ecause this is

1417
01:00:26,498 --> 01:00:29,498
the county's general plan. It

1418
01:00:30,669 --> 01:00:33,690
doesn't change the actual

1419
01:00:33,405 --> 01:00:35,574
intention and it takes resources

1420
01:00:35,574 --> 01:00:39,177
to get the letters out. It is

1421
01:00:39,177 --> 01:00:42,177
the county's mana'o on what

1422
01:00:45,784 --> 01:00:46,518
could be and should be in the

1423
01:00:46,518 --> 01:00:47,185
future and something we checked

1424
01:00:47,185 --> 01:00:47,920
in with corporation counsel

1425
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,788
months back prior to working on

1426
01:00:49,788 --> 01:00:51,423
this bill. I will stop talking

1427
01:00:51,423 --> 01:00:53,225
now. We are going to postpone.

1428
01:00:53,225 --> 01:00:54,993
Hear from you folks and then

1429
01:00:54,993 --> 01:00:57,963
make the amendments for next

1430
01:00:57,963 --> 01:01:00,363
committee meeting. Thank you,

1431
01:01:03,368 --> 01:01:04,200
chair.

1432
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:04,837
>> council member ashley

1433
01:01:04,837 --> 01:01:07,390
kierkiewicz: one thing to add.

1434
01:01:07,390 --> 01:01:08,574
I feel strongly about a draft

1435
01:01:08,574 --> 01:01:11,443
being circulated to the public

1436
01:01:11,443 --> 01:01:13,712
and not going out and doing

1437
01:01:13,712 --> 01:01:15,214
workshops where folks are just

1438
01:01:15,214 --> 01:01:16,615
adding to the board. You are the

1439
01:01:16,615 --> 01:01:18,517
planning department, you are the

1440
01:01:18,517 --> 01:01:20,819
planning expert. You are

1441
01:01:20,819 --> 01:01:22,888
supposed to know how to plan

1442
01:01:22,888 --> 01:01:25,288
communities. I worry about

1443
01:01:29,228 --> 01:01:29,928
giving so much free range to

1444
01:01:29,928 --> 01:01:30,996
community where they start to

1445
01:01:30,996 --> 01:01:33,396
misunderstand the point and

1446
01:01:35,100 --> 01:01:38,100
function of a general plan.

1447
01:01:39,938 --> 01:01:42,938
Starting the area where folks

1448
01:01:44,176 --> 01:01:45,344
can comment on is one point.

1449
01:01:45,344 --> 01:01:48,213
And one other thing is it would

1450
01:01:48,213 --> 01:01:50,249
be great to also get a look back

1451
01:01:50,249 --> 01:01:53,849
as part of the public initiation

1452
01:01:59,525 --> 01:02:01,360
meetings about hat has been

1453
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:05,970
I know that there are maybe some

1454
01:02:05,970 --> 01:02:06,632
procedures in the country 2045

1455
01:02:06,632 --> 01:02:08,334
plan about reporting, but I

1456
01:02:08,334 --> 01:02:10,402
think it's also fortunate report

1457
01:02:10,402 --> 01:02:12,438
on where the county was

1458
01:02:12,438 --> 01:02:13,672
successful or fell short on some

1459
01:02:13,672 --> 01:02:15,574
of the goals that are in the

1460
01:02:15,574 --> 01:02:17,977
current plan, and that MAY have

1461
01:02:17,977 --> 01:02:19,679
informed the draft that folks

1462
01:02:19,679 --> 01:02:20,713
arguing that you were

1463
01:02:20,713 --> 01:02:23,113
recommending the council move

1464
01:02:24,884 --> 01:02:27,386
forward on. So I'm not apt to

1465
01:02:27,386 --> 01:02:31,586
agree with you that we just go

1466
01:02:34,460 --> 01:02:36,996
out to community to say "what

1467
01:02:36,996 --> 01:02:39,899
are you looking for?" I think

1468
01:02:39,899 --> 01:02:43,499
the general theme to look for

1469
01:02:44,103 --> 01:02:46,138
the working draft and look at

1470
01:02:46,138 --> 01:02:49,800
comments from that. Thank you.

1471
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:50,309
>>thank you.

1472
01:02:50,309 --> 01:02:51,430
>>

1473
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:51,544
>> council member james hustace:

1474
01:02:51,544 --> 01:02:53,379
thank you, chair.

1475
01:02:53,379 --> 01:02:54,780
. Hank you, council members,

1476
01:02:54,780 --> 01:02:55,982
inaba, kierkiewicz for

1477
01:02:55,982 --> 01:02:58,184
presenting this. I appreciate

1478
01:02:58,184 --> 01:03:01,554
the work you put into this. I

1479
01:03:01,554 --> 01:03:02,588
definitely felt that tension in

1480
01:03:02,588 --> 01:03:04,824
the general plan process about

1481
01:03:04,824 --> 01:03:07,260
our inability to make changes,

1482
01:03:07,260 --> 01:03:08,828
small, large, whatnot. I

1483
01:03:08,828 --> 01:03:10,363
appreciate you putting a new

1484
01:03:10,363 --> 01:03:11,998
position here on our legislative

1485
01:03:11,998 --> 01:03:14,998
authority. Thank you. My only

1486
01:03:15,201 --> 01:03:16,335
question and I appreciate your

1487
01:03:16,335 --> 01:03:18,304
sentiment, council member inaba,

1488
01:03:18,304 --> 01:03:20,306
on trying to identify and really

1489
01:03:20,306 --> 01:03:22,208
be clear about the closure

1490
01:03:22,208 --> 01:03:24,430
process and what that looks like

1491
01:03:24,430 --> 01:03:26,790
in terms of making sure it's

1492
01:03:26,790 --> 01:03:27,447
clear with planning that these

1493
01:03:27,447 --> 01:03:31,647
are the steps we are going to

1494
01:03:39,580 --> 01:03:41,580
take and this

1495
01:03:44,197 --> 01:03:46,197
condemn

1496
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:47,534
>>council member heather l.

1497
01:03:47,534 --> 01:03:49,680
Kimball: first of all, to the

1498
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,337
makers, about the timeline, I

1499
01:03:51,337 --> 01:03:53,390
just want to be sure I'm

1500
01:03:53,390 --> 01:03:54,741
especially clear on this. Every

1501
01:03:54,741 --> 01:03:55,800
ten years it will initiate and

1502
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:56,175
-

1503
01:03:56,175 --> 01:03:59,775
they will have three years or

1504
01:04:00,246 --> 01:04:02,215
they are supposed to have three

1505
01:04:02,215 --> 01:04:05,619
years so that it's every ten

1506
01:04:05,619 --> 01:04:08,210
years we get a new plan. I'm

1507
01:04:08,210 --> 01:04:10,156
just not super clear.

1508
01:04:10,156 --> 01:04:11,558
>>yes, we need to initiate

1509
01:04:11,558 --> 01:04:13,893
within ten years of the initial

1510
01:04:13,893 --> 01:04:15,128
approval and once initiation

1511
01:04:15,128 --> 01:04:16,997
begins. Nothing has changed on

1512
01:04:16,997 --> 01:04:18,640
that front. They have three

1513
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,500
years from nitiation to get it

1514
01:04:20,500 --> 01:04:22,435
to council. And if they don't,

1515
01:04:22,435 --> 01:04:24,838
they need to provide quarterly

1516
01:04:24,838 --> 01:04:29,380
reports to us. If they fail to

1517
01:04:29,743 --> 01:04:30,777
get us something within the five

1518
01:04:30,777 --> 01:04:33,777
years, then it's deemed closed

1519
01:04:33,847 --> 01:04:35,548
because we still are barred from

1520
01:04:35,548 --> 01:04:37,150
interim amendments during the

1521
01:04:37,150 --> 01:04:38,819
comprehensive review based on

1522
01:04:38,819 --> 01:04:41,188
the rules we are proposing and

1523
01:04:41,188 --> 01:04:42,923
that's to ensure there isn't

1524
01:04:42,923 --> 01:04:45,323
confusion at the commission

1525
01:04:45,358 --> 01:04:47,758
between an ongoing comprehensive

1526
01:04:48,428 --> 01:04:51,428
review and something trying to

1527
01:04:51,598 --> 01:04:53,667
throw in additional amendments.

1528
01:04:53,667 --> 01:04:56,667
>>if everything went well, we

1529
01:04:57,204 --> 01:04:58,372
could anticipate a 13 year

1530
01:04:58,372 --> 01:05:00,707
cadence for a new bill? Okay.

1531
01:05:00,707 --> 01:05:04,307
That's what I thought. I wanted

1532
01:05:05,279 --> 01:05:07,279
to be sure.

1533
01:05:08,749 --> 01:05:12,190
>>to the makers, was there any

1534
01:05:12,190 --> 01:05:14,287
conversation about adopting the

1535
01:05:14,287 --> 01:05:17,287
general plan as something other

1536
01:05:22,829 --> 01:05:23,564
than an ordinance itself? That

1537
01:05:23,564 --> 01:05:25,310
is one of the challenges that I

1538
01:05:25,310 --> 01:05:26,900
have had with this process in

1539
01:05:26,900 --> 01:05:28,802
terms of how it was brought to

1540
01:05:28,802 --> 01:05:31,538
us is that the general plan

1541
01:05:31,538 --> 01:05:33,938
itself is considered and

1542
01:05:34,842 --> 01:05:36,176
ordinance and, while, I know

1543
01:05:36,176 --> 01:05:38,176
that prescribes certain

1544
01:05:40,214 --> 01:05:42,583
procedures tied to it, it also

1545
01:05:42,583 --> 01:05:45,685
handcuffs it's in some ways too.

1546
01:05:45,685 --> 01:05:46,286
I just wonder if you had any

1547
01:05:46,286 --> 01:05:48,286
dialogue about that?

1548
01:05:49,723 --> 01:05:52,723
>> we id not discuss changing

1549
01:05:55,663 --> 01:05:58,565
it to a resolution based on the

1550
01:05:58,565 --> 01:06:01,565
standing philosophy is that it

1551
01:06:02,469 --> 01:06:03,837
is law and having it as an

1552
01:06:03,837 --> 01:06:06,237
ordinance really provides that

1553
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:09,843
kind of force of law that we

1554
01:06:09,843 --> 01:06:12,179
would want something that is

1555
01:06:12,179 --> 01:06:14,214
supposed to guide development

1556
01:06:14,214 --> 01:06:16,614
and incorporates input from

1557
01:06:26,260 --> 01:06:27,828
state and county a

1558
01:06:27,828 --> 01:06:29,597
>>okay, I will bring some

1559
01:06:29,597 --> 01:06:31,665
comments more thoroughly next

1560
01:06:31,665 --> 01:06:33,601
time on maybe some other options

1561
01:06:33,601 --> 01:06:35,969
to discuss other than having it

1562
01:06:35,969 --> 01:06:39,569
be an ordinance. I think it

1563
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:42,377
makes sense to -- corporation

1564
01:06:42,377 --> 01:06:45,377
counsel, yes, the charter is

1565
01:06:48,115 --> 01:06:50,751
part of that. Ys, go ahead.

1566
01:06:50,751 --> 01:06:52,751
>>corporation counsel: rene

1567
01:07:03,631 --> 01:07:04,298
schoen. T

1568
01:07:04,298 --> 01:07:06,698
>>council member heather l.

1569
01:07:10,370 --> 01:07:10,771
Kimball: well, however, now

1570
01:07:10,771 --> 01:07:11,939
it's included, in this last go

1571
01:07:11,939 --> 01:07:13,975
around, it was included as an

1572
01:07:13,975 --> 01:07:15,543
attachment. I think even within

1573
01:07:15,543 --> 01:07:17,145
the constraint of the charter

1574
01:07:17,145 --> 01:07:17,418
language, I think there is

1575
01:07:17,418 --> 01:07:19,418
-

1576
01:07:27,288 --> 01:07:30,888
the last thing to the makers

1577
01:07:31,559 --> 01:07:34,495
just trying to make sure I clear

1578
01:07:34,495 --> 01:07:37,495
with respect to making it

1579
01:07:37,598 --> 01:07:39,400
clearer what our authority is

1580
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,336
once it's delivered to us from

1581
01:07:41,336 --> 01:07:43,736
the planning department, it

1582
01:07:46,441 --> 01:07:47,942
seems from the standpoint of the

1583
01:07:47,942 --> 01:07:50,111
absence within the creation that

1584
01:07:50,111 --> 01:07:51,479
we have an authority that it

1585
01:07:51,479 --> 01:07:52,747
becomes by default, the

1586
01:07:52,747 --> 01:07:54,682
prescription, the authority that

1587
01:07:54,682 --> 01:07:56,784
we have under the fact that it

1588
01:07:56,784 --> 01:07:58,486
is an ordinance and we are the

1589
01:07:58,486 --> 01:07:59,540
legislative body. Am I reading

1590
01:07:59,540 --> 01:08:00,922
that correctly?

1591
01:08:00,922 --> 01:08:03,258
>> yes, and that's something we

1592
01:08:03,258 --> 01:08:06,258
are going to clarify with

1593
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,630
section 16b sub section b, says

1594
01:08:09,630 --> 01:08:09,964
the director shall present the

1595
01:08:09,964 --> 01:08:10,899
director's recommendation

1596
01:08:10,899 --> 01:08:13,899
together with each commission to

1597
01:08:14,769 --> 01:08:15,203
the council for its

1598
01:08:15,203 --> 01:08:16,404
consideration

1599
01:08:16,404 --> 01:08:18,306
consideration, period. That

1600
01:08:18,306 --> 01:08:19,774
lends to our doing our

1601
01:08:19,774 --> 01:08:22,174
legislative function, that we

1602
01:08:23,311 --> 01:08:27,511
are going to clarify as well as

1603
01:08:30,452 --> 01:08:32,320
in 16b-1 that the council's

1604
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:33,421
adoption or rejection of the

1605
01:08:33,421 --> 01:08:35,821
recommendations that they could

1606
01:08:36,191 --> 01:08:37,292
be amended as well. So, just

1607
01:08:37,292 --> 01:08:39,600
more authority there and we'll

1608
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:39,594
have that language for next

1609
01:08:39,594 --> 01:08:41,594
time.

1610
01:08:42,163 --> 01:08:44,599
>>yes, I think -- I actually

1611
01:08:44,599 --> 01:08:46,334
like that it's just our

1612
01:08:46,334 --> 01:08:48,300
consideration and that's by

1613
01:08:48,300 --> 01:08:51,603
default gives us all of our

1614
01:08:54,209 --> 01:08:54,910
legislative authority. I think

1615
01:08:54,910 --> 01:08:55,610
generally speaking, I like to

1616
01:08:55,610 --> 01:08:56,244
preserve as much authority in

1617
01:08:56,244 --> 01:08:58,580
the legislative branch as

1618
01:08:58,580 --> 01:09:00,148
possible. However,, I am of the

1619
01:09:00,148 --> 01:09:01,717
two minds of the fact that this

1620
01:09:01,717 --> 01:09:03,185
is the general plan is something

1621
01:09:03,185 --> 01:09:05,585
different than a typical

1622
01:09:06,855 --> 01:09:07,956
ordinance, and if anything were,

1623
01:09:07,956 --> 01:09:10,580
one would hope the legislative

1624
01:09:10,580 --> 01:09:12,260
body would be helpful and what

1625
01:09:12,260 --> 01:09:14,362
the planning department would be

1626
01:09:14,362 --> 01:09:15,731
giving around an amendment, but

1627
01:09:15,731 --> 01:09:18,867
I do have some concerns that

1628
01:09:18,867 --> 01:09:20,736
anything too substantive should

1629
01:09:20,736 --> 01:09:22,736
actually would potentially

1630
01:09:22,871 --> 01:09:24,390
measure it further review by the

1631
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:26,641
planning commission, but I'm not

1632
01:09:26,641 --> 01:09:28,777
sure where that line is for me

1633
01:09:28,777 --> 01:09:29,945
or whether or not selling out. I

1634
01:09:29,945 --> 01:09:32,514
guess we would have the

1635
01:09:32,514 --> 01:09:32,780
authority if it came to us as an

1636
01:09:32,780 --> 01:09:34,383
-

1637
01:09:34,383 --> 01:09:36,585
amendment to send it to the

1638
01:09:36,585 --> 01:09:38,985
planning commissions for review

1639
01:09:39,454 --> 01:09:41,823
if anybody thought it was

1640
01:09:41,823 --> 01:09:44,223
substantive or not. Anyway,

1641
01:09:44,626 --> 01:09:48,226
that's some where I'm not quite

1642
01:09:50,566 --> 01:09:51,366
settled on that position on.

1643
01:09:51,366 --> 01:09:52,000
Thank you.

1644
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,000
>> council member ashley

1645
01:09:58,474 --> 01:09:59,107
kierkiewicz: can I just say a

1646
01:09:59,107 --> 01:10:00,420
point when council member

1647
01:10:00,420 --> 01:10:01,543
kimball had mentioned how the

1648
01:10:01,543 --> 01:10:03,178
general plan is presented as an

1649
01:10:03,178 --> 01:10:05,114
exhibit to an ordinance. It

1650
01:10:05,114 --> 01:10:06,482
wasn't always that way. The

1651
01:10:06,482 --> 01:10:08,517
actually language of a general

1652
01:10:08,517 --> 01:10:11,200
plan if you look at the drafts

1653
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:12,821
from 71 and 89, they were in the

1654
01:10:12,821 --> 01:10:15,821
format of how we typically

1655
01:10:18,994 --> 01:10:19,728
receive bills. So what you see

1656
01:10:19,728 --> 01:10:20,496
here, bill 176, that's exactly

1657
01:10:20,496 --> 01:10:22,765
what the general plans look like

1658
01:10:22,765 --> 01:10:24,867
before it was adopted and put

1659
01:10:24,867 --> 01:10:26,569
aside and made into a booklet

1660
01:10:26,569 --> 01:10:29,538
with pictures. There was a lot

1661
01:10:29,538 --> 01:10:30,839
more flexibility and room to

1662
01:10:30,839 --> 01:10:31,907
make amendments because it was

1663
01:10:31,907 --> 01:10:34,443
provided in a format that we are

1664
01:10:34,443 --> 01:10:36,780
used to. We might consider going

1665
01:10:36,780 --> 01:10:38,800
forward going back to what we

1666
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,115
know which is these bills for

1667
01:10:40,115 --> 01:10:41,650
ordinances, not an exhibit. I

1668
01:10:41,650 --> 01:10:43,419
don't think folks care about the

1669
01:10:43,419 --> 01:10:45,921
pictures right now, director. I

1670
01:10:45,921 --> 01:10:47,723
think they really care about the

1671
01:10:47,723 --> 01:10:50,723
substance, the policy that we

1672
01:10:53,162 --> 01:10:54,263
are going to guide our county.

1673
01:10:54,263 --> 01:10:55,965
To your comment about sending to

1674
01:10:55,965 --> 01:10:57,366
the commission. I think that was

1675
01:10:57,366 --> 01:10:59,869
another tension point that we

1676
01:10:59,869 --> 01:11:02,137
were trying to navigate as a

1677
01:11:02,137 --> 01:11:05,137
body was how to define

1678
01:11:08,811 --> 01:11:09,545
substantive. I think we all had

1679
01:11:09,545 --> 01:11:10,279
a different range for what that

1680
01:11:10,279 --> 01:11:11,130
looked like. I feel comfortable

1681
01:11:11,130 --> 01:11:12,481
with the language as is. Where

1682
01:11:12,481 --> 01:11:14,160
the council has the final say on

1683
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:15,985
what this looks like because

1684
01:11:15,985 --> 01:11:17,453
that is what we do for every

1685
01:11:17,453 --> 01:11:19,155
other bill for ordinance that

1686
01:11:19,155 --> 01:11:20,957
comes through. We get the

1687
01:11:20,957 --> 01:11:22,458
recommendation from various

1688
01:11:22,458 --> 01:11:24,727
commissions and at the end of

1689
01:11:24,727 --> 01:11:26,128
the day, we take that into

1690
01:11:26,128 --> 01:11:28,640
consideration and move forward

1691
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,365
with either adopting or

1692
01:11:30,365 --> 01:11:33,503
amending. O I would like for us

1693
01:11:33,503 --> 01:11:37,103
to continue to exercise our full

1694
01:11:51,554 --> 01:11:52,221
legislative authority a

1695
01:11:52,221 --> 01:11:53,389
>>council member heather l.

1696
01:11:53,389 --> 01:11:53,956
Kimball: one comment to your

1697
01:11:53,956 --> 01:11:55,956
point, council member

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kierkiewicz. I think about a

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01:11:57,860 --> 01:11:59,762
zoning ordinance and how that

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01:11:59,762 --> 01:12:01,631
doesn't go live in the code but

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01:12:01,631 --> 01:12:05,831
in a format of an ordinance that

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01:12:10,306 --> 01:12:11,207
we can amend as we make

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01:12:11,207 --> 01:12:11,674
receive it.

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>>

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>> council member jenn kagiwada:

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01:12:14,510 --> 01:12:16,545
thank you. Just real quick. I

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01:12:16,545 --> 01:12:19,545
just want to support what

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01:12:20,490 --> 01:12:22,510
council member kierkiewicz said

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01:12:22,510 --> 01:12:23,686
about I think it is really

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01:12:23,686 --> 01:12:26,860
important that the planning

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01:12:26,323 --> 01:12:29,323
department take the lead in

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01:12:37,133 --> 01:12:37,867
setting the direction and giving

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01:12:37,867 --> 01:12:41,467
the public something to kind of

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01:12:42,500 --> 01:12:42,772
wrap their heads errands.

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01:12:42,772 --> 01:12:44,700
Around. It's

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01:12:44,700 --> 01:12:45,575
such a large document and you

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01:12:45,575 --> 01:12:47,577
are the one with experience and

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01:12:47,577 --> 01:12:49,450
education on this. I think

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01:12:49,450 --> 01:12:51,548
people don't often know even

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01:12:51,548 --> 01:12:54,317
where to start. So, it makes it

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01:12:54,317 --> 01:12:57,354
really hard to get that civic

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01:12:57,354 --> 01:12:59,789
engagement from a lot of people

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01:12:59,789 --> 01:13:02,580
when it's just too overwhelming

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01:13:02,580 --> 01:13:06,258
for them. I just want to second

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01:13:06,663 --> 01:13:08,365
that I know it's a big shift and

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01:13:08,365 --> 01:13:11,965
a different way of looking at

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01:13:12,602 --> 01:13:16,202
it, but we are granting you

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01:13:26,349 --> 01:13:26,984
first stab. So, yeah, I rea

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01:13:26,984 --> 01:13:28,852
>> planning director jeff

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01:13:28,852 --> 01:13:31,852
darrow: chair, thank you for

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01:13:32,455 --> 01:13:35,592
those comments. The way the bill

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01:13:35,592 --> 01:13:38,528
is written, it does give

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01:13:38,528 --> 01:13:40,797
flexibility for the planning

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01:13:40,797 --> 01:13:44,334
director, which is good. The way

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01:13:44,334 --> 01:13:46,169
it's laid ut in 16a is that

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01:13:46,169 --> 01:13:48,739
it's not like you are creating a

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01:13:48,739 --> 01:13:50,373
new plan. You are creating

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01:13:50,373 --> 01:13:52,773
recommendations for a general

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01:13:53,243 --> 01:13:54,544
plan which MAY be recommended

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01:13:54,544 --> 01:13:56,246
amendments or could be a

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01:13:56,246 --> 01:13:58,615
recommendation for a new plan.

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01:13:58,615 --> 01:14:00,450
So you are kind of giving a head

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01:14:00,450 --> 01:14:02,352
start there. You are saying,

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01:14:02,352 --> 01:14:05,389
this is the direction we want to

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01:14:05,389 --> 01:14:08,525
go. And then you initiate and

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01:14:08,525 --> 01:14:10,194
have to chime in. So that works.

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01:14:10,194 --> 01:14:14,394
It looks like it will be good.

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01:14:17,134 --> 01:14:17,801
The ne thing I did want to

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01:14:17,801 --> 01:14:18,502
touch upon is what council

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01:14:18,502 --> 01:14:20,902
member kimball touched upon.

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01:14:20,971 --> 01:14:23,971
typically, we have been meeting

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01:14:24,474 --> 01:14:25,776
with the most of the council

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01:14:25,776 --> 01:14:26,977
members at this point regarding

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01:14:26,977 --> 01:14:28,812
the amendments they would like

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01:14:28,812 --> 01:14:33,120
to see now that the general plan

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01:14:34,585 --> 01:14:37,210
has passed. If it as done

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01:14:37,210 --> 01:14:38,355
previously, those would have

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01:14:38,355 --> 01:14:40,991
been amendments that would have

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01:14:40,991 --> 01:14:42,226
been considered during the

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01:14:42,226 --> 01:14:44,626
comprehensive general plan. In

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01:14:46,363 --> 01:14:47,964
meeting with everyone, I haven't

1762
01:14:47,964 --> 01:14:50,964
seen anything other than some

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01:14:51,402 --> 01:14:53,103
land use map changes and some

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01:14:53,103 --> 01:14:54,872
minor adjustments in the

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01:14:54,872 --> 01:14:57,272
language. There hasn't been

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01:14:57,741 --> 01:15:00,741
anything that has really even

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01:15:02,413 --> 01:15:04,148
though the way the previous

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01:15:04,148 --> 01:15:07,218
general plan said is hese are

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01:15:07,218 --> 01:15:09,218
considered substantive, right?

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01:15:13,991 --> 01:15:14,625
A land use map change or a

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01:15:14,625 --> 01:15:15,326
policy change. Those are

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01:15:15,326 --> 01:15:16,694
considered substantive. But

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01:15:16,694 --> 01:15:19,940
typically, a minor map

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01:15:20,164 --> 01:15:21,665
amendment, really isn't that

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01:15:21,665 --> 01:15:23,670
substantive. It's just really

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01:15:23,670 --> 01:15:24,902
fixing something, things like

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01:15:24,902 --> 01:15:27,902
that. What I think is

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01:15:31,742 --> 01:15:32,476
substantive that we have seen

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01:15:32,476 --> 01:15:33,444
and it's happened twice now. In

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01:15:33,444 --> 01:15:35,790
2005, it happened and it

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01:15:35,790 --> 01:15:35,345
happened again recently where we

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01:15:35,345 --> 01:15:37,345
-

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01:15:41,385 --> 01:15:43,588
see a new plan that comes out.

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01:15:43,588 --> 01:15:43,988
And again, I'm just using

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01:15:43,988 --> 01:15:44,622
thanksgiving

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01:15:44,622 --> 01:15:45,923
this

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as an example that we can

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01:15:54,732 --> 01:15:55,466
consider as a substantive

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01:15:55,466 --> 01:15:56,100
change. You are looking at one

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01:15:56,100 --> 01:15:56,767
plan and another plan is

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01:15:56,767 --> 01:15:57,401
presented. Again, this has

1792
01:15:57,401 --> 01:15:59,801
happened twice now. This

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01:15:59,904 --> 01:16:01,739
happened back fell

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01:16:01,739 --> 01:16:03,739
in 2005 and

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01:16:04,342 --> 01:16:05,877
happened again here. It would be

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01:16:05,877 --> 01:16:08,345
good to have an opportunity when

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01:16:08,345 --> 01:16:09,847
something like that comes

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01:16:09,847 --> 01:16:11,249
forward to be able to llow the

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01:16:11,249 --> 01:16:13,317
commissions an opportunity if

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that's the direction the council

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01:16:16,187 --> 01:16:20,387
wants to go as far as adopting

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01:16:29,701 --> 01:16:32,101
>>chair holeka goro inaba:

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01:16:32,303 --> 01:16:34,439
thank you. E'll work further in

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01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:35,340
two weeks with the planning

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01:16:35,340 --> 01:16:37,750
department. Thank you everyone

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01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:39,770
for your feedback. I want o

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01:16:39,770 --> 01:16:42,770
clarify a point that director

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01:16:43,782 --> 01:16:45,650
brought up regarding section

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01:16:45,650 --> 01:16:48,650
16a. The initiation notice is

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01:16:49,220 --> 01:16:52,820
not, well, what is presented is

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01:16:53,491 --> 01:16:56,394
not sharing what it's going to

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01:16:56,394 --> 01:16:57,662
be recommended amendments or new

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01:16:57,662 --> 01:17:00,164
draft. It is the recommended

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01:17:00,164 --> 01:17:02,434
new draft. I want to clarify

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01:17:02,434 --> 01:17:04,135
that because ten years from now

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01:17:04,135 --> 01:17:05,970
when people look at that in

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01:17:05,970 --> 01:17:09,740
minutes, I want that to be the

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01:17:09,740 --> 01:17:11,575
record. It's not saying that you

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01:17:11,575 --> 01:17:13,244
are going to do, you are

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01:17:13,244 --> 01:17:13,645
providing amendments for the

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01:17:13,645 --> 01:17:14,212
draft.

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01:17:14,212 --> 01:17:16,212
>>thank you.

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01:17:17,815 --> 01:17:21,415
>>thank you. With that, I move

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to postpone bill --

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>>sorry.

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01:17:27,158 --> 01:17:29,558
>> council member michelle m.

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01:17:32,430 --> 01:17:33,131
Galimba: I wanted to make a few

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01:17:33,131 --> 01:17:33,865
comments and that would be I

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01:17:33,865 --> 01:17:35,660
think also at that point of

1830
01:17:35,660 --> 01:17:38,470
amendments at the very end by

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01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:41,730
the council, I do feel like

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01:17:41,730 --> 01:17:44,673
although we MAY feel we are

1833
01:17:46,611 --> 01:17:48,980
wise, we MAY need some feedback,

1834
01:17:48,980 --> 01:17:51,816
and I think although we felt

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01:17:51,816 --> 01:17:56,160
like we were shut out, we were

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01:17:57,823 --> 01:18:01,159
more just daunted by the process

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01:18:01,159 --> 01:18:03,610
that substantive amendments

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01:18:03,610 --> 01:18:07,261
would have to go through and a

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01:18:08,967 --> 01:18:11,336
timeline that we were under. So,

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01:18:11,336 --> 01:18:16,136
finding the way for it to not be

1841
01:18:16,642 --> 01:18:19,642
such a daunting process, but

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01:18:20,712 --> 01:18:24,312
still I think giving a little

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01:18:25,551 --> 01:18:28,551
more weight to the planning

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01:18:47,973 --> 01:18:48,707
department than the

1845
01:18:48,707 --> 01:18:49,441
recommendations is something I

1846
01:18:49,441 --> 01:18:50,175
would like to see. I don't know

1847
01:18:50,175 --> 01:18:50,575
what that looks like but perhaps

1848
01:18:50,575 --> 01:18:51,510
thinking bit

1849
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:52,770
thinking bit

1850
01:18:52,770 --> 01:18:52,444
about it in the next

1851
01:18:52,444 --> 01:18:53,112
few weeks.

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01:18:53,112 --> 01:18:53,679
>>sorry about that, council

1853
01:18:53,679 --> 01:18:54,880
member galimba baptism

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01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:56,880
. We will postpone