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Okay. I'm calling to order regular city
council meeting for the city of Hayden,

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Idaho. It is Tuesday, January 13, 2026,
5:00 p.m. May we get a roll call of

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council members, please?
>> Council President Rotor,

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» yes.
>> Council member White,

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» yes.
>> Council member Dri. Council member

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Schaefer.
>> Yes. Thank you.

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» Pledge of Allegiance. Sandy, would you
like to lead us?

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» Yes.
>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.

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Okay. I don't have any additions or
corrections uh for the meeting tonight.

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We'll roll into consent which consists
of approving the December 9th, 2025 city

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council meeting minutes. Approving
December 19th, 2025 city council meeting

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minutes. Approval to apply an authorized
matching fund allocation for the state

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of Idaho waterways improvement fund
grant for improvements to Honeysuckle

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Beach and boat launch. Approval of
aviation first edition consol

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consolidation plant. Approval of 2026
the peak health and wellness center

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contractual services agreement. Approval
of Lake City law engagement letter for

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civil legal services. Approval of Welch
commer's Hayden Avenue and Hutter Road

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intersection amendment one. Ratification
of December payroll. Approval

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ratification for bill of bills paid and
approval of four bills of payment. Lots

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of fours and abs. Any uh questions on
the consent tonight?

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» I have one. Yes, I may. It's um
>> one F. It's the Lake City Law Engagement

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letter for civil legal services. I
noticed that we have uh two rates, one

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for the attorney and one for parallegal.
The attorneys for 290 an hour and the

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parallegal for 180. Um how does that
compare to our current contract? So the

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current rates are 220 225 per hour and
for attorneys and we have not increased

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that rate for six years the entire time
that I've been providing legal services

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to the city. It is significantly lower
than private pay rates which are around

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400.
>> And what about parallegal?

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» I can't remember what that was. It might
have been 150.

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» Okay. Thank you. I just want
>> and and for this record, I think it's

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good for council to know that when we
went through budget development, we knew

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that these rate increases were coming
and did plan for those.

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» Thank you.
>> Any other questions?

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» Yeah, Mr. Mayor, I have a question
>> on item 1J, bills for payment. I'm sorry

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that I didn't bring this to you earlier,
Lisa, but there is a line item in there

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where the vendor is the city of Hayden
for in the amount of $3,223.

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» I would have I there were some bills for
payment that got um approved by the

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finance director because I was gone. So,
I'd have to get back with you.

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» Okay. Just one
>> likely though it has something to do

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with when we're paying out of different
funds, our enterprise funds and our

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general funds if we're that's it. does
say check for escrow if that helps.

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» Say it's an escro release.
>> Escrow release. Okay. Yes.

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» Okay. Thanks.
>> Any other questions? Would I like to

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make a motion?
>> I move to approve the consent calendar

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as written.
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» Okay. Any questions on the motion? May
we get a roll call vote, please?

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» Council member Dri. Yes.
>> Council President Roer.

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» Yes.
>> Council member Schaefer.

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» Yes.
>> Council member White.

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» Yes.
>> Abby, do we have any public comments

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tonight?
>> None. has been turned in.

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» Okay. All right. At this point in the
meeting, uh I would like to acknowledge

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and ask for a moment of silence. Um one
of our city's

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um most significant servants. Uh Roger
Setterfield passed this last weekend.

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Roger was on city council from 2007 to
2023 and until his last time around ran

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unopposed. Before that, he was on
planning and zoning. Uh Roger to me

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represents the kind of citizen whose
impact is felt long and far uh beyond

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their time with us. So if you would join
me for just a moment of silence. Thank

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you.

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Okay. Um, we're going to move if we have
no visitor public comments. We've got an

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oath of office uh to do. But before we
do that, uh, I want to let the crowd

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know, uh, one cannot help but notice,
uh, that our mood shifts this time of

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year, uh, to a more tribal model. Of
course, I'm talking about the NFL

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playoffs.
It's a time when otherwise reasonable

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people suddenly become very certain
about their team. Uh tonight we have

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many people in attendance. Some are here
to thank our depart departing council

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member for her service. Uh others are
here to wish our reelected council

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member continued success. And still
several are here to meet and

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congratulate Hayden's newest council
member. Uh but tonight is also a good

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night to remind all Hayden residents
that while we may cheer for different

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teams, we all belong to one tribe and
that is a tribe of our city.

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And while we may have different ideas
about some finer details,

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uh everyone that sits on this dis shares
the same goals to ensure that Hayden

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remains a strong and welcoming
community. So with that, Sandy, if you'd

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like to join me, I have a little
presentation for you.

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This is in recognition of your service
to the city of Hayden for being a city

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council.
>> Thank you so much.

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» Thank you. Yes.
>> Thank you so much. What a blessing.

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» Yes.

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Okay. Next, uh we're going to read the o
oath of office for uh city council seat

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2, which is occupied by Ed D priest.
Abby.

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» Ed.

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» Is it better if I get out of the way?
>> You sure? He'll just be in the shot.

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» I don't know if I want that.
>> Go ahead and raise your right hand.

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» Do you solemnly swear or affirm to
support the Constitution of the United

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States and the Constitution of the State
of Idaho and that you will faithfully

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discharge the duties of council member
of the city of Hayden according to the

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best of your abilities?
>> We do.

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» Congratulations.

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Okay, Abby stays and up comes David
Ericson, city council seat 4 to be sworn

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in.

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» Go ahead and raise your right hand.
David, do you solemnly swear or affirm

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to support that you will support the
Constitution of the United States and

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the Constitution of the State of Idaho
and that you will faithfully discharge

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the duties of council member of the city
of Hayden according to the best of your

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ability?
>> I do.

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» Congratulations.

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Okay, we're going to take a threem
minute recess for some logistics

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» and then we'll resume

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that part. That's all right.
>> What? Logistics.

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» That's fine.
>> It's getting from something from one

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place to another.
>> Choreography.

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» Choreography.
And was that okay?

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» Yeah, that was great. Thank you. I
appreciate it.

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Okay, we're calling the meeting back to
order, resuming. We're going to start

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off with a public hearing. Our first
action item tonight, which is PZE250102,

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arts
king sod zone map amendment request.

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This is an applicant initiated amendment
request. And I believe for the record,

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we are recusing our new council member.
Yeah, council member Ericson will need

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to recuse himself based on the fact that
he was a um member of the planning and

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zoning committee that voted commission
that voted on this action of the

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planning and zoning.
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» correct.
>> You need to remove yourself and go to

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the back of the room.
>> Okay, that was quick.

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» We told you you were good.
>> Get some

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for two minutes.
>> All right. All right. So, if

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» you haven't heard my lecture before, you
cannot make any faces. You can't snort,

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comment,
>> snort,

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» sniff, shake your head, sigh, groan,
moan.

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» All right. So, for the public, uh, we're
going to introduce the subject case. The

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applicant will present, then the staff
will present, and if we have any public

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comment, uh, that will happen, and then
we'll have an applicant rebuttal and

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close the public hearing. So, Donna,
please.

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So
we generally do naming conventions that

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are the last name of the property owner,
hence the arts, but the business on the

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location site is King Sod. That's why we
kind of are referring to this as both.

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So this is the arts kingside king sod
zone map amendment um as mayor already

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identified.
So some background, the property was

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annexed in 1991 by ordinance 204 and it
was zoned agricultural.

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The property is located at the north of
the Spokane International Railroad line

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and it's south of East Lancaster Road
and east of North Hutter Road. We'll get

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a graphic up here shortly. Um the
applicant entered into a deferred uh

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development agreement
um at the time of the building permit

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because the roundabout at that
intersection of Lancaster and Hutter was

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in design and development and it was
being constructed. So trying to do

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frontage improvements prior to that time
would have been difficult. Uh the

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remainder of the unconstructed frontage
improvements are required to be

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completed as part of um the off-site
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So, when you're looking at a map and
you're on the corner of um Lancaster

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running east and west and Hutter running
north and south, um you have a funny

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weird little triangular piece of
property that kind of is surrounded by

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roads and railroad tracks

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and then I would go into my analysis.
>> Donna, can I ask a question real quick?

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» Yes.
>> If you would pull that map back up.

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» I can. Can you point to the uh piece of
land that is currently in the city that

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this would be adjacent to?

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» City limits are um south.
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» So there uh county is to the north. All
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» Thank you.
>> Rather is due west. All right. So, with

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that, uh, we have the applicants, uh,
the arts, um, and folks, um, that'll be

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here to present and kind of they kind of
worked all together the last time. I

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assume you guys are all going to work
together this time. Um, and so we'll

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bring up their presentation and they can
present their application.

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» It's all yours.
>> Thanks,

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introduce ourselves again.
>> Yeah, I'm Justin Arts.

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» I'm Wilson McWain.
>> And we're just going to go over kind of

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what the requirements are to request
this and why we think um we fit that

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application request. And so we'll just
kind of get right into it.

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» Yeah. So the overview as Donna had said
is our request is to reszone the

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Kingside property from agricultural its
current zoning to the light industrial

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zoning. And we feel as we go through our
presentation

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um that it supports our the economic
development of the area. It aligns with

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the future land use map and promotes the
responsible growth of the that area of

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the city of Hatton.
The existing zoning um is agricultural

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and it no longer aligns with the
surrounding development trends. The area

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is transitioning transi transitioning to
commercial and light industrial uses. Um

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and the existing plans support this land
use change. Um so we there there is

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sufficient basis for approval for that
change

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when it comes to public health safety
and welfare through working with the

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city and lots of conversations. The
light industrial zoning encourages clean

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and low impact uses and we feel working
with the city that they've ensured that

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many buffers the traffic mitigation for
the area our storm water controls on our

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property through surveys and studies. Uh
in conclusion we we see that it promotes

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the public good and the responsible
growth for that area of the city of

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Hayden.
Um it this zone change is consistent

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with the comprehensive plan. Currently
the future land use map does designate

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this location um for employment
lightindustrial.

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Uh it supports economic diversification
and infrastructure efficiency. Um so

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what we are requesting is fully
consistent with the comprehensive plan

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policies.

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The zone district purpose and intent
coming alongside the future use plan.

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The light industrial zone is intended
for low impact industrial use and

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employment uses. So we are not bringing
in giant manufacturing

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eyes and nose sores to the city. Um
we're bringing in more employment into

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the city of Hayden. Uh our property is
well suited based on size, location, and

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the surrounding zoning. Through
developing and working with our

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engineers and the city, we have
developed our property with the light

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industrial zoning in mind. And so in
conclusion, we see that it has a clear

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alignment with the light industrial
intent.

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For some neighborhood context, the area
is shifting from agricultural to an

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industrial commercial. Um the light
industrial zoning creates compatibility

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and buffers between the differing uses.
Um so in conclusion, it it does match

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the current emerging neighborhood
conditions that surround the properties.

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And in final summary, through working
with the city of Hayden and Panel Health

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Department and all of these um the PE
wonderful people we worked with, we feel

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we see it meets all the required
approval standards. It supports logical

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compatible growth and economical
development. And we're here with the

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recommendation of the approval of the
zone map amendment.

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» That's the last slide.
>> Questions,

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» Tom?
>> Sure. Yeah. Um, I notice where your

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company address is in RHM
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I recall that you're and I, as your
website says, you're you deliver sod

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products.
>> How is this little piece of land, which

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it appears to be non-ontiguous to your
current property, fit into your business

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model? It actually fits our current
business model quite well because

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although the location that we are on is
10 acres, we use about an acre and a

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half of it. We don't actually grow the
sod on location. We they we grow it at

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farms west of here. And so it's just a
place for us to facilitate um customers

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to pick up sod and for us to load trucks
and deliver them out. Um, and our

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footprint is actually going to be very
consistent with what our existing

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footprint is there on memory lane.
>> Okay. My other question, this is just

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piqued my curiosity. When I looked on
the GIS map, I saw that you back up to a

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parcel owned by the Missouri Improvement
Company.

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Now, I didn't know anything about them,
so I just Googled it.

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and they focus on developing processing
infrastructure for hemp industry in the

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West United States. Is that did I get
the right company or owner? And

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» that's a great question.
>> Um, and I'm just kind of curious

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» that did recently change it.
>> It is a recent change. through talking

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to the rail some of the railway
employees, there was thought of some

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sort of transfer station or other
railway stuff going in there and it has

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just recently changed hands. So, I did
see the the name on the map, but I

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didn't do any research to see what that
was.

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» And in the piece that you're referring
to, it's that strip of trees between our

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property and the railroad.
>> Yeah.

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» We don't own it. We don't have any say
in it that we we weren't part of that

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sale or anything like that. So, who owns
it now and what they do,

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» I'm unfamiliar with.
>> Doesn't matter to you guys.

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» Hopefully, it doesn't affect us.
>> Yeah. Hopefully someday they sell it to

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us.
>> Okay. Yeah. Thanks. Appreciate it. Nope.

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Matt.
>> Yeah. Thank you, mayor. Um

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I think people have heard about the
Hutter bypass for 20, 30 years. Uh if if

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how's that being considered in your
business model here? How will how could

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that affect your property or have you
considered the effects of the

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possibility of the Hutter bypass
in front of your property?

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» Yeah. So, when my wife Heather and I
bought the property, um I've I've lived

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in this area since 1996 and I think it's
been talked about since 1996. So, it was

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the 2020 plan back then. I think it was
the 2000 plan. I don't know. It's been

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around. So, it's something I'm very
familiar with. Um when I used to work in

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government, it's something that we
talked about. Um, so when we looked at

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the property, I think there's two lenses
that I looked at it through. One, if the

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bypass took out our property, that would
be something that we would have to

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consider. The way our business is
modeled, it would just mean we'd have to

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find a new location. It's it's not like
um we're we're a delivery service, so to

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speak, so we just have to find a new
hub. Um, but we actually looked at it as

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it would uh we would be in support of
the Hutter bypass because when you

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looked at what the the plan was as far
as an exit goes, um, Lancaster Road is

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one of the only exits for that whole
area. And so it would actually bring

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more traffic past our business, so to
speak. And so we would see it as um,

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people would see us more often. We'd get
more uh, roadside traffic that would

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know we exist. So we would see it as a
benefit. Oh, it wouldn't shut your

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business down if you had to lose that
property, so to say, because how to

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bypass took up 20% of it or something?
>> No. No.

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» Okay.
>> Thank you.

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» All right. Looks like that's the
gauntlet.

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» Okay, cool.
>> Thank you guys. Appreciate it.

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So this is a summary of the staff
analysis that is in board book.

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Um, the first two standards of approval
have to do with whether or not there

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needs to be any additional studies done
or plans reviewed. And the second

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condition has to do with whether any
additional conditions would have to be

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um uh attached to this uh zone map
amendment request. And so based on the

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applicant's proposal, staff did not
believe nor did planning and zoning

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commission in their recommendation
believe that any additional studies,

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plans or conditions were necessary.

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Uh standard uh the third standard has to
do with any amendment to the zoning map

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has to be in accordance with the future
land use map and the goals and policies

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found in the Hayden comprehensive plan.
And this um is actually the comp future

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land use map of the last comprehensive
plan because this a risk request came in

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prior to the city council approving the
comprehensive plan. So we're under the

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old uh comprehensive plan when we did
the review of this and as um identified

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this corner is um identified in that map
as a light industrial uh future land

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use.

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And then part of the goals and policies
that existed in that plan um identified

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that the city should encourage
development within the corporate limits

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of the city of Hayden. And it should
provide a balance of commercial uses in

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designated areas throughout the city
centered on established transportation

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corridors
uh while protecting the character of

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adjacent len uses. They should ensure
all development can be serviced by

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existing public facilities or extended
to adequately serve that. Uh they should

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establish a balance between jobs and
housing to attract new employment living

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opportunities.
And we need to ensure that ordinances

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and policies don't violate private
property rights or adversely impact

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property values or create unnecessary
limitations on that land use.

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And then um policies that could be
potentially looked at. Uh development

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should be compatible with the land use
chapter of the comprehensive plan.

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Um we should be able to promote nodes of
development um along transportation

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corridors.
We should be able to encourage reszoning

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to support the creation of those
strategic nodes. Um and then also

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transitions between residential
industrial uses should be able to

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encourage smallcale retail activities
um restaurants and other service

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businesses to create that mixture of
commercial and residential uses.

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And we need to ensure that land uses and
zoning compatibility related to

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development uh near the airport is
reviewed as well.

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All of the um comprehensive goals and
conser plan goals and policies are part

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of the staff analysis because you know
whenever anybody reads this you might

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pull another one that would be
appropriate.

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So the amendment to the zoning map and
zone text shall align with the zone

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district's purpose and intent is the
fourth standard. So agriculture

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um identifies that you should uh provide
for um large undeveloped lots primarily

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used for farming and agricultural
pursuits.

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and light industrial provides for a
light manufacturing, processing and

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distribution and wholesale retail sales
in environment that is clean, quiet,

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free of noise, odor, dust, and smoke.

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So, the city of Hayden's current zone
map identifies this as well as the area

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um to the south and to the east as being
agriculture.

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Oh.

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uh infrastructure on the site. The site
subject site is on a private well. Uh

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Panhandle Health District granted a
septic permit as a condition of the

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building permit that was issued on the
site.

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Uh the dry utilities um are installed or
shall be installed with development.

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The dedications of the rideway occurred
with the intersection project

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and the access locations to the site
have been approved as part of that

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intersection pro proc project in order
to reduce conflict points.

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And then the fifth standard of approval
is that the amendment to the zoning map

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and zone text shall be consistent with
the neighborhood context. This is

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looking at both today as well as in the
future.

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So the neighborhood today is the north
of this site is the Harbs land

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application site.
Bounded to the south is that Spokane

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International Rail Railroad. And at the
time of application, the Spokane

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International Railroad owned both those
properties, both the rightway that they

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have their line in as well as the piece
of property that council member Schaefer

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brought up.
uh directly adjacent west and north uh

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KMO classified uh these two roads both
Lancaster and Hutter as arterials.

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West is a home site with farm accessory
structures and farther west is farmland

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and then to the southeast is also
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So pictures are worth a thousand words.
So, as you're facing southwest from the

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project site, you'll see that home site,
uh the existing existing accessory

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structures for the farmland and the
grain silos.

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Facing west from the project site, um
you see a hay truck and Rothram to the

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west.
Oops. Keep going.

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Facing east from the project site,
you'll see that the project is uh pretty

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much cleared. The trees along here are
part of that existing other piece of

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property. And to the north is the um
harbs land application site.

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This is facing north from the project
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And then as you're looking at this site
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you also have the airport and the
airport uh runway protection zones that

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this one is not a part of. It's not in
any of those runway protection zones

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and ram to the west.

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Public agency and public comments that
have been received. As you can see, we

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received um we usually send out between
18 and 20 agency notices. The ones that

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uh received comments back from um
virtually most of them said no comments

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um at this point or on this proposal or
at this time. Uh Northern Lakes Fire

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Protection District always has comments
related to future development and any

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non-residential site uh goes to the fire
department for review as part of the

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building permit process andor
subdivision process.

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The planning and zoning commission at
the conclusion of their deliberations at

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their November 14th meeting uh
recommended approval of the request to a

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change the zone from agricultural to
light industrial.

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Those are the five standards of approval
and motions should the city council

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choose to move forward.
>> Questions for Donna?

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I I have one if
>> Okay. Um,

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so I understand the lot size is 1.73
acres.

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Uh, and that it's Panal Health approved
for a septic system, which means drain

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field and and and so I guess we're uh
maybe you could help me understand. I

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know that because it's over the aquifer,
the county has a five acre requirement

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for a septic system for res for
residents. So, why can they have a

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septic system that's a lot smaller than
five acres? Do you can you help me with

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that?
>> That's a great question.

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» Panhandle Health District found that
they met the requirements that they laid

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out for their for their requirements to
issue them a septic permit. They

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recognized that there wasn't any uh
sanitary sewer provided by anybody in

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that far out at this point in time. Um
would you have anything additional to

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add?
>> No. Panhandle health district has

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jurisdiction to issue that permit. We do
not.

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» Okay. I just curious because it seems
like the idea is to protect the aquafer

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with five acres with the residents. Uh,
so I guess that's really if Panhandle

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Health approves it, then it's they have
jurisdiction and so therefore it's

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approved.
>> It is.

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» Okay.
Thank you.

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» Good question, Matt.
Any other questions?

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We're going to move on to public
comment. Do we have any public comment

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forms?
>> No public comment.

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» Does anyone in the audience want to
offer any

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testimony?
Okay, hearing none. So, now we move on

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to applicants rebuttal. So, this would
be if you want to uh the time to address

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any questions that council brought up
during the staff presentation. You can't

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bring up anything new and you're not
compelled to necessarily testify either

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way. So, what would you like to do?
>> I can answer the

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you
>> step up, please. Thanks.

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because the lot is smaller than five
acres. That was a concern of ours prior

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to even applying for it. Uh when that
law went into effect there, I forget the

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year that that takes took place. This
piece of property was broken into this

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1.73 acres prior to that law. So it
dependent health still allowed it to

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happen. Meaning it didn't uh it didn't
get made smaller after they said you

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have to have five acres for the septic.
So is because it was um this lot lines

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were created prior to that rule.
>> It was grandfathered in basically is

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what you're saying. So that that had to
do with

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» Yes.
>> Thank you.

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» Okay.
Uh we're going to close the public

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hearing now and
council, are you going to proceed with

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deliberations?

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» I'm going to make a motion.
>> Okay. Well, is there any deliberation

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you want to do prior to the motion?
>> They can deliberate after the motion.

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» Deliberate after.
>> All right. Just asking.

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» Yeah. Um, I move to approve PZE250102

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arts king sod zone map amendment request
finding the request is in accordance

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with the standards of Hayden city code
based upon testimony received at the

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planning and zoning commission and city
council public hearing and the record of

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the request.
>> I'll second that motion.

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» Motion a second. Is there any discussion
on the motion being made or any other

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deliberation? Well, I guess that's to be
related to the motion now.

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» Yeah, I I'd like to make a just a
comment on it. I um what what I do like

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about this is from the city standpoint,
the amount of taxes that property taxes

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we would receive or have been receiving
is that is a land is really small.

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Whereas when you go into a light
industrial, I'm assuming there's going

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to be well I saw some improvements
happening already. that means those

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improvements will create t more tax
taxes for the city. So from that point

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of view, it is it's a good um it's a
good decision.

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» Okay. Thank you, Matt. Anybody else?
>> Um Mr. Mayor, I just want to make the

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comment that when I was reviewing this
and keeping in mind that we just

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recently went through an update in our
future land use map, I was trying to

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picture how this would fit into the
future neighborhood context.

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even though I acknowledge that you're
grandfathered in but but what I came to

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the conclusion was this is such an odd
piece of property in a perfect location

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for what we call those business nodes
that I think it's very this is an

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appropriate
you uh revision of the zone zoning for

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this
>> I just want to make those a comment

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» okay
roll call vote please

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» council member Schaefer
>> yes

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» council member Council President
President Rotor.

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» Yes.
>> And council member Dri.

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» Yes.
>> Okay. Motion passes. We're going to move

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on to 4B.
>> Council member can rejoin you.

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» Oh, do we want to invite David back up?
>> Council

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David.
>> He might actually want to participate at

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some point.
>> Welcome back.

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» Thank you.
>> How was your travels? It

429
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» was great.
All right, we're going to move on to

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PZ24 0133 North Government Way Bac
Enterprises annexation request. So, this

431
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:32,880
is a city initiated annexation request.
>> Mayor, it's I know the folks and there's

432
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:35,119
no I don't have a conflict of interest,
but it's Beck.

433
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,320
» Is it Beck?
>> Yeah, it's Beck.

434
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:41,520
» Thank you.
>> Just for the record.

435
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:45,440
» All right. Thank you. And so, um like
the last public hearing, staff's going

436
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:52,280
to present. Uh then we'll have public
comment uh if there is any and then

437
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council will deliberate and decide.

438
00:39:53,680 --> 00:40:01,760
So uh tonight we're having a public
hearing to um look at the potential

439
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:06,640
annexation of rightway along North
Government Way and then three additional

440
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:14,079
pieces of property west of North
Government Way.

441
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:21,200
So, um, an agency notice,
uh, related to a project adjacent to

442
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:26,800
the, uh, North Government Way, uh, was
sent out and is part of that agency

443
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:32,720
comment request back from, uh, Lakes
Highway District, who is the owner of

444
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:36,480
that rideway, is shown in blue,
um, that it was time for the city,

445
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,920
should this other project move forward,
for the city to they would respect

446
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:47,280
respectfully requested the city annex
that. And so the city um recognized the

447
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:52,160
fact that it probably was about that
point of time where we needed to look at

448
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:56,319
at the potential of annexing it, but
should we uh take a look at that, we

449
00:40:54,400 --> 00:41:01,680
wanted to reach out to the property
owners uh to the west of that area in

450
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:07,440
blue and see if they would also be
willing to annex at the same point in

451
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:12,960
time. And so the three properties
um in red

452
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:16,079
um agreed that now would be a good time
to annex and those are the Beink

453
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:21,520
Enterprise properties that we
identified.

454
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:25,200
So this is a city initiated request.
Um and all of the properties, the

455
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:29,280
property in blue and the property in red
are kind of what we're looking at for

456
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:35,040
the annexation request here. Could you
use your cursor and show what the

457
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:38,480
annexation uh requests are for? Show me
the property.

458
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:43,200
» So, this is blue. This is right away.
And this is a vacant piece of property.

459
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:45,760
Uh this is what's commonly called the
atrium as you drive up north government

460
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:50,880
way.
>> Yeah.

461
00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:55,520
» Um and this is a tumble stone
>> further to the south.

462
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:59,359
» So, so the is it the beake zone? All
three.

463
00:41:55,839 --> 00:41:59,359
» All three. Correct.

464
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:08,880
Um at the time of the initiation of this
um annexation

465
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uh kind of noticing agency comments etc.
Uh the properties were all within what

466
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:18,480
was called the area of city impact in
what's known as the exclusive tier which

467
00:42:16,319 --> 00:42:22,800
means that the city based on that
agreement it was envisioned that the

468
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:28,800
city would annex that property at some
point in the future being adjacent to

469
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:33,440
the city. Since that time um uh through
last fall and all the way up to December

470
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:40,240
31st, the city worked with Coupney
County uh to uh create a new area of

471
00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:47,400
impact. These properties are still
within that area uh identified that

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00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,400
should be annexed into the city.

473
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:55,760
So when looking at an annexation, the
first thing that you look at is a zone

474
00:42:54,240 --> 00:43:00,640
designation.
And the zone designation that the beaks

475
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:06,000
are requesting is commercial for all
three properties. And so we need to walk

476
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:14,560
through those five same five standards
of approval to see if that zone map

477
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:18,800
amendment to commercial makes sense.
So with relationship to the first two

478
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:23,359
standards of approval, does this need
additional studies or plans? And are

479
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:27,520
there additional uh conditions that need
to be placed? And uh staff does not

480
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:31,240
believe any additional studies, plans or
conditions are required.

481
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:38,000
The next three are again the amendments
to the zone map are consistent with the

482
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:42,880
future land use map and are consistent
with the Hayden comprehensive plan. Are

483
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:48,079
they consistent with the zone map and
the zone district's purpose and intent?

484
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:53,280
And are they consistent with the
neighborhood context?

485
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:58,640
So looking at the future land use map,
both the old future land use map shown

486
00:43:55,599 --> 00:44:03,599
here again under the old um
comprehensive plan as well as the one

487
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:07,760
that was adopted uh by council. This
strip between highway 95 and government

488
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:13,280
way on the future land use map in both
cases actually shows up as commercial.

489
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:20,800
So it is consistent with the future land
use map.

490
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:26,000
Uh the commercial land uses of the old
uh comprehensive plan identify that it

491
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:30,800
allows for most types of businesses.
Small retail businesses, serviceoriented

492
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:36,000
businesses, professional offices
constitute the majority of commercial

493
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:40,480
activity in the city. So today's use is
a retail service establishment as well

494
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:44,160
as general office that exist on site
today.

495
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:48,720
Uh the comprehensive plan goals and
policies can be found in your staff

496
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:54,400
analysis beginning on page four and in
their entirety in the appendix.

497
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:58,880
I did not go through them in detail as
part of uh this summary for the

498
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:03,599
presentation.
Uh the zone district's purpose and

499
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:07,359
intent is the district definition for
commercial in the zone designation as

500
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:13,119
well as the future land use are almost
synonymous. office service retail is

501
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:17,520
what's expected in commercial and they
have design standards for uh front

502
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:22,160
setbacks and rear setbacks and flanking
streets and lot coverages and what have

503
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:27,119
you. And all of those are met by the
current um buildings that are on site.

504
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:32,720
So none of them would become
non-conforming should this annexation

505
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,720
request be granted.

506
00:45:33,359 --> 00:45:40,960
So then with the consistent with the
neighborhood context, let's kind of do

507
00:45:38,319 --> 00:45:44,560
the visual. Um if I'm standing at the
southern end of Government Way, the

508
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:48,560
southern side of that blue looking
northward,

509
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:56,079
uh you're going to see the Tumblestone
property uh to the west and you'll see

510
00:45:52,160 --> 00:46:00,200
what um will become Hayden Canyon on the
east looking north.

511
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:07,119
So this is about the middle of the
proposed annexation area in front of

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00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:14,640
that building that we called the atrium
offices. Again looking northward

513
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:21,680
up government way.
And then on the uh north of the Beink

514
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:25,359
Enterprises property, those three red
three properties in the red square. If

515
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:30,800
you look south, you look through that
vacant piece of property headed south

516
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:36,000
and you can see across Highway 95 and
down Government Way.

517
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:41,040
And then if you go all the way to the
north end of the blue proposed

518
00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:47,920
annexation area up at the intersection
of West BL Road and face south, um you

519
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:53,119
see a hill on the on the east side of
the road and you see Mark's Marine on

520
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:58,319
the west side of the road.
So, we received agency comments again

521
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:06,160
that 18 to 20 plus agencies we normally
send to and most of them um provided

522
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:11,599
with no comments. Um we did get a
follow-up letter in support in the file

523
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:17,280
from Lakes Highway District from their
um board. Um, North Coupney Water

524
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:21,359
District, Water and Sewer District is
the water purveyor of the Beelic

525
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:25,280
properties and they have an intent and
willingness to continue to serve them

526
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:29,680
water.
Um, and the Cordelane Airport requested

527
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:34,079
an navigation easement over the
property. Um, and what we've done in the

528
00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:38,880
past is made that a condition of the
annexation request. It would be recorded

529
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:43,880
prior to the ordinance coming forward.
Should the city council approve the

530
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,880
request?

531
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:54,560
We did have two additional public
comments as a part of the planning and

532
00:47:51,280 --> 00:48:01,280
zoning commission public hearing uh
noticing uh Bronzebo on behalf of Hayden

533
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:06,160
Canyon 64 LLC was in support and El
Cooper which was a land owner was also

534
00:48:03,839 --> 00:48:10,960
in support. We did not receive any
additional public comments as a part of

535
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:15,200
the noticing uh for the city council
public hearing.

536
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:20,319
Planning and zoning commission
recommended approval with staff

537
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:27,119
recommended conditions of approval. Uh
further request for um the zone to be uh

538
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:32,960
commercial should the annexation be
approved by council.

539
00:48:30,319 --> 00:48:37,440
So we did have a few recommended
conditions of approval. The first would

540
00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:42,880
be that Beck Enterprises enter into an
annexation agreement with the city. Uh

541
00:48:40,319 --> 00:48:46,160
the second is that at the time of future
site and/or subdivision development, the

542
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:49,520
applicant shall comply with the
requirements of Northern Lakes Fire

543
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:52,960
Protection District.
uh that there will be a grant of

544
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:57,040
roadway, drainage, utility, and snow
storage, easement, and dedications of

545
00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:00,160
rightway, and North Government Way in
accordance with the city's adopted

546
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,760
transportation plan and adopted
intersection improvements.

547
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:08,079
Um,
nothing shall preclude the city from

548
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:12,720
requiring additional rightway at the
time of development accordance with

549
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:16,400
adopted transportation standards and
plans at the time of development. That's

550
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:21,359
what we've had in all of our
standardized annexation agreements for

551
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:24,400
some time. Um, at the time of future
development, sewer shall be extended to

552
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:29,280
the boundaries of the property in
accordance with the sewer master plan

553
00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:33,280
and all future site plans and existing
or future buildings shall connect to

554
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:37,160
municipal sewer with one year within a
year of sewer availability.

555
00:49:37,839 --> 00:49:43,440
And then that navigation easement shall
be recorded as a condition of the

556
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:49,079
annexation agreement and prior to the
publication of the ordinance as

557
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,079
requested by the court.

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00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:55,200
And those are motions that the city
council could

559
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:58,720
uh come to at the conclusion of
deliberations.

560
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:03,119
» I stand for questions.
>> Any questions for Donna? Matt,

561
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:07,040
» I do have one. Thank you, mayor. Um,
regarding the North Kudney sewer

562
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:12,880
district,
they they uh are the water purveyor

563
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:18,000
are are these properties currently
within their sewer district?

564
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:21,839
» It's a North Quinney water district and
they replied as part of their water, not

565
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:26,559
as part of the sewer. So, they'd be
serviced by sewer from the city at some

566
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:31,520
point in the future. So now my question
is and maybe I didn't state it clear is

567
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:36,880
is is are these properties if they're
within the North Quinney Water and Sewer

568
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:41,280
District and if they're providing water
do they have the right first to provide

569
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:45,200
sewer to them
>> that they did not they did not state

570
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:49,200
that and today the properties are
currently on septic systems.

571
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:53,760
» Okay. So that the only reason I bring
that because we said with when with

572
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:57,520
within one year uh when sewer comes
available through the city of Hayden

573
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:01,200
that they'll have to hook up. I don't I
don't want to see a dispute saying hey

574
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:06,720
you can't do that because North Kney
water district uh has the right to

575
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:11,280
provide sewer to those properties
because of their boundaries. So is that

576
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:15,520
has that been clarified?
>> I don't

577
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:18,800
think the water district is a sewer
district.

578
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:23,520
nor do they provide source.
>> They just do water.

579
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:25,760
» I thought I read where um in their title
they are.

580
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,359
» Am I wrong, Tom?
>> I think they have areas that that

581
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:32,079
provide both, but I don't think in this
area they provide both.

582
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:35,280
» I apologize.
>> Yeah. I I just don't want to see a

583
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:41,359
conflict saying, "Hey, that's that's our
that's our turf, so you know, you can't

584
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:44,079
force them to to go on city sewer if if
they have the right." Although they

585
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:47,760
probably don't have the infrastructure
there anyway. and maybe a mood point,

586
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:51,200
but I just wanted to bring that up to
make sure that we're okay with it.

587
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:57,680
» If it's a condition of approval that
they join the city sewer service within

588
00:51:55,200 --> 00:52:02,079
a year, then that's their obligation to
make sure that they would deanex from

589
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:06,480
North Kney water and sewer if it were
even an issue. Okay. That North Kney

590
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:09,920
water and sewer were identifying them as
a property to provide sewer service to.

591
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,079
» Thank you for the clarification.
>> You're welcome.

592
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:17,440
» That's it.
>> All right, David. Hi, Donna. Uh, I have

593
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:22,319
a question about that navigation
easement. So, does that mean those

594
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:24,640
properties currently don't have an
navigation easement?

595
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:27,839
» That's correct.
>> What are the implications of that sort

596
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:34,240
of easement?
>> So, an navigation easement identifies

597
00:52:30,319 --> 00:52:40,079
that you are near um an airport. In some
cases, if you're um like on a hill, you

598
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:44,960
have to fill out additional forms
because of the envelope of a flight. but

599
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:48,240
in this case, most likely not. So, it's
pretty much just to identify that you're

600
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:54,160
near an airport. You're going to hear
airport airplanes and air traffic noise.

601
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:57,760
Um, and in this area, you you will hear
it because they're close to that runway.

602
00:52:56,559 --> 00:53:02,960
» Yeah, that's what I figured. I just
wanted to make sure this is somewhat of

603
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:05,280
a standard procedure for the airport
within its reach.

604
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:09,920
» Yes.
>> Correct.

605
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:17,839
» Anything else,
Ed? Oh, Tom. Yeah, Donna. So,

606
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:22,079
annexation was offered on all the
properties to the west of Government Way

607
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:27,200
up to Beagle. Correct.
>> Correct.

608
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:31,280
» So, uh just curious why Mark's Marine
and then the property of the south

609
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:36,880
declined to annex.
>> Did they give a reason? Um they had they

610
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:43,520
had several marks Marine uh
predominantly accesses off of BAL not

611
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:48,559
off of government way. Um and the the
second main reason is that there is no

612
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:52,160
sewer out in that neck of the woods at
this point in time. That was the second

613
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:56,720
reason that they gave us.
>> So it just doesn't didn't make sense to

614
00:53:54,079 --> 00:54:03,280
do it now.
Okay.

615
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:07,359
» Any any other questions?
Okay. Uh Abby, do we have any public

616
00:54:05,839 --> 00:54:09,440
comment for this hearing?
>> No, ma'am.

617
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:14,400
» Does anyone in the audience wish to
provide testimony?

618
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:19,040
» Okay. Sounds like it's a no. So, at this
point, we'll close the public hearing

619
00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:24,920
and council can uh now uh choose to
deliberate andor make a decision.

620
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:31,599
It would be useful to do some
deliberation previous to a motion since

621
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:34,880
you have some standards of approval to
consider and to apply the facts that

622
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:40,160
you've heard to those standards of
approval before a motion.

623
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:44,640
» Yes.
>> Tom, you want to start? Any comments,

624
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:51,760
thoughts? I
apart from the fact I was curious why

625
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:58,240
the other two uh um lots declined to uh
annex in uh this seems pretty

626
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:02,079
straightforward. I mean if you got some
light industrial going on and and we're

627
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:07,200
already on on the other side of
government way it seems logical to me

628
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:13,680
that these properties would want to
annex into the city. So I I have no

629
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:16,640
objections to this.
>> Donna, do we have the slide with the

630
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:21,640
» Well, that's what I was looking for.
>> Standards just so we can talk to them a

631
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,640
little bit.

632
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:27,760
» Is that good enough?
>> Okay.

633
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,839
» Well, you want to continue kind of
synopsis it up without them probably.

634
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:35,839
Okay.
>> It sounds from the presentation as

635
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:40,400
though staff is uh feels that they have
met the standards of approval and it

636
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:45,440
sounds like they have. as I look at them
now. Uh and also as was brought up on

637
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:49,359
the previous one,
I believe the city will now be receiving

638
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:54,799
tax revenue
from them, which is uh always nice,

639
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:59,520
especially for those residential
compared to bring in commercial.

640
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:06,640
Although it's not a very large swath, it
does tilt to probably a very minor

641
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:11,280
degree the burden from residential to
commercial. Um, but I do believe they've

642
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:14,319
met the standards of approval.
>> Okay,

643
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,720
David.
>> Yeah, Mr. Mayor. Everything,

644
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:21,760
» excuse me.
>> Everything fits within

645
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:28,000
uh what the zone map looks like. It
flows. It's contiguous and

646
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:31,680
there aren't any red flags.
Makes sense.

647
00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:37,040
» Okay, Matt. Yeah, I see the planning and
zoning commission recommended approval

648
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:41,119
of um this annexation
and that the standards of review and

649
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:46,240
evidence of record finding for approval
of zone map amendment. Um I'm looking on

650
00:56:44,319 --> 00:56:50,559
page two, I believe, have all been
fulfilled.

651
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:54,160
So, um
that's my point.

652
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:58,640
» Okay. At this point, would anyone like
to make a motion? And do they need Donna

653
00:56:55,839 --> 00:57:03,960
to throw the cheat slide up?
I'll uh I'll do it. All right.

654
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:13,440
I'll make a motion to approve PZE
24-0133

655
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:18,559
North Government Way and Beic
Enterprises LLC annexation request with

656
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:23,520
a zone designation of commercial with
staff recommended conditions of approval

657
00:57:20,799 --> 00:57:28,000
finding the the request is in accordance
with the standards of Hayden City Code

658
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:31,520
based upon testimony received at the
city council public hearing and the

659
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,520
record of the request.
>> Second.

660
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:38,160
» Okay, we have a motion and second. Is
there any discussion on the motion?

661
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,680
» Abby, may we get a roll call vote,
please?

662
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,280
» Council President Rotor,
>> yes.

663
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,559
» Council member Schaefer,
>> yes.

664
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:44,160
» Council member Dri,
>> yes.

665
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,640
» Council member Ericson,
>> yes.

666
00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:53,319
» All right, that concludes our two public
hearings. I forgot something very small.

667
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:53,319
Before we roll into new business,

668
00:57:54,079 --> 00:58:01,200
» I wanted to present uh each of our our
reelected and our elected council

669
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:07,119
members with a momento that
>> Oh, thank you can have on your wall.

670
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:12,799
» This is their uh yeah, their newspaper
uh articles of their intent. And I just

671
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,799
for public record, I kept all four of
the candidates.

672
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,280
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
>> Just in case.

673
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:22,400
» Just in case, but I present it to the
folks that won. So, those are just a

674
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:26,160
little gift and a uh thank you um for
running for office. All right. So, with

675
00:58:24,799 --> 00:58:31,280
that, uh we're going to move on to new
business. Uh the first action item is to

676
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:35,680
uh consider well not to consider but to
elect a council president.

677
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:40,720
This is one where the mayor steps back
and council discusses.

678
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:46,079
» Mayor, I'd like to start off as the
current president of the council. Um

679
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:49,920
I've had the privilege of being the
council president for the last four

680
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:53,440
years and I think it's time to pass the
baton. Oh,

681
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:58,559
» and I think it's a it's a good thing
that we do share in responsibilities in

682
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:02,400
the city and and and it's it's nice to
have a new role and do some changes.

683
00:59:00,319 --> 00:59:06,559
This kind of keeps things fresh. So, I'd
like to nominate Ed Priest as our

684
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:12,720
council president.
>> Okay. Is there any other uh discussion?

685
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:16,720
Is there any another person that desires
or

686
00:59:14,319 --> 00:59:20,799
would someone like to just second for Ed
to be

687
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:24,040
» Ed? How do you feel about that?
>> I'm fine.

688
00:59:24,799 --> 00:59:31,599
» Man, many sure.
>> What you got? Wait, you want me to do my

689
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:34,240
usual and really go some along siloquy
or whatever?

690
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:37,359
» You know, Ed, if you become council
president, you got to got to moderate

691
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:41,760
the tempo.
>> Really chill it out a little bit.

692
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:46,319
» Yeah. Well, okay. There you go. I I
appreciate uh the nomination of Council

693
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:53,200
President Roer very much and I would
appreciate and uh the opportunity to

694
00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:58,319
serve in that uh position long enough.
Okay. And and I and I thank uh Council

695
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:02,480
Council President Rotor and our new
council member for the second. You need

696
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,760
me to go anymore?
>> All right. So,

697
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:10,119
» thank you.
>> All right. So, do we have a second or is

698
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,119
there any more discussion?

699
01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:20,640
» Anyone else?
I I'm reserved because as I'm taking in

700
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:25,680
this new seat. Um, I want to let the
dust settle, allow everything to uh flow

701
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:28,720
the proper way.
>> Fair enough.

702
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:34,400
» Before I uh shake anything up.
>> All right, Tom. Any thoughts?

703
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:39,280
Um,
I think that maybe this is an

704
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:45,119
opportunity to Ed to to show a
leadership position when he if he's

705
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:50,960
called upon to uh lead a uh city council
meeting. And I and I hope and I pray

706
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:58,119
that if he you get that opportunity that
you will um

707
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:58,119
be calmer sometimes.

708
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:04,319
I am who I am.
With that being said, I'd like to second

709
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,799
that.
>> All right. So, do we is this something

710
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:10,799
we vote on, Abby?
>> Okay. All right. So, there is a motion.

711
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:14,480
There is a second. And I assume we could
just do a roll call vote.

712
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,799
» Council member Schaefer.
>> Yes.

713
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:20,000
» Council member Depri.
>> Oh, man. Yes.

714
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,680
» Council member Ericson.
>> Yes.

715
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:25,280
» Council President Rotor.
>> Yes.

716
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:28,000
» Ed, if you can't vote for yourself, how
>> I didn't know if I was allowed to, to be

717
01:01:26,799 --> 01:01:30,720
honest with you. You always come into
that. Can you vote for yourself? You

718
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:34,640
can.
>> All right. So, our next action item is

719
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:42,559
to consider city council to consider a
sewer collection system capitalization

720
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:49,839
fee study with FCS. FCS did our last uh
study uh for fees. And Lisa, do you have

721
01:01:47,839 --> 01:01:54,480
anything you want to add? Uh just wanted
to for the record for those uh members

722
01:01:52,160 --> 01:02:00,799
of the public who may have not seen the
memo that uh the city has over the

723
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:05,119
course of um the number of years made
improvements to our existing system

724
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:11,599
since we set our capitalization fee.
This will be your connection fee to the

725
01:02:07,839 --> 01:02:16,480
system. Uh and and council may recall
one of our most significant investments

726
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:23,599
was this last summer where we improved
the H6 gravity force main and installed

727
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:29,920
a new lift station. So in order to recap
or receive those fees back to us or the

728
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:34,000
cost of the system is divided by the
number of connections that support that

729
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:38,480
system and that is what the connection
fee is based off of. And in order to to

730
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:44,319
create a defensible
uh rate, we'll use rate setters such as

731
01:02:41,359 --> 01:02:49,599
FCS to produce a record that we could,
if in the event we're sued, could um

732
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:54,480
take to court with us. So, um the city
council used FCS the last time they did

733
01:02:51,359 --> 01:03:00,480
this when we came out of the uh court
case with

734
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:04,880
the uh who was it?
>> Nipka. Thank you. I wanted to say Harps,

735
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:08,480
but it wasn't with Nipka. uh to help set
that rate. So, it seems proper for us to

736
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:11,680
go back since they have a general
understanding of our system.

737
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:18,400
» Thank you. And just for council's
clarity, it was in the memo. Uh this uh

738
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:22,960
contract is not to exceed uh $18,530
without prior approval.

739
01:03:20,799 --> 01:03:26,160
Is there any discussion? Any questions?
So, I want to make a motion.

740
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:31,039
» Questions?
>> So, just to be sure and have it on the

741
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:36,720
record, we budgeted for this, right? Uh
yeah, we we knew that uh at the

742
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:40,799
completion of the H6 improvements that
it was the proper time to do that. So we

743
01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:47,319
budgeted for it not knowing exactly when
that was happening but anticipating it

744
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:47,319
would be in this fiscal year. So yes,

745
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:52,319
» any other questions?
>> No.

746
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:56,799
» Anyone want to make a motion?
>> I'll make a motion that we approve the

747
01:03:54,160 --> 01:04:00,799
sewer collection system capitalization
fee study with FCS.

748
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:05,039
Second. Okay, we have a motion, a
second. Any discussion on the motion?

749
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,799
» May we get a roll call vote, please?
>> Council member Ericson,

750
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,400
» yes.
>> Council member Schaefer,

751
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,720
» yes.
>> Council President Driest,

752
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,760
» yes.
>> Council member Rotor,

753
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:20,079
» yes.
>> Very good. All right. Our next uh item

754
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:23,839
is uh for Jub Engineers Incorporated in
Yes. Incorporated. Authorization for a

755
01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:31,599
contract amendment for a sewer
capitalization fee support services.

756
01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:37,520
And this one is to not exceed $27,000
to update our s city's sewer GIS data

757
01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:45,880
and incorporate uh sewer system changes
since the last update which was in 2019.

758
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:45,880
Any questions for staff council

759
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:54,720
or does staff have anything they want to
add? Um I I'll add that since 2019 we

760
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:59,359
have have over 30 projects and
developments that are that have happened

761
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:04,400
in the city and those improvements that
are associated with those developments

762
01:05:01,359 --> 01:05:10,240
and those projects are part of the cost
that goes into this FCS study. So those

763
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:14,319
need to be brought in for our GIS system
which we need to do anyway for our

764
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:21,480
mapping and our modeling down the road.
So it gets our system updated as well as

765
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:21,480
provides the background

766
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:29,839
associated that goes into the FCS study.
>> Thank you, Alan.

767
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:37,280
» I do have a question, Mr. Mayor.
>> So I've been here for two years now and

768
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:44,240
have uh listened to proposals for and
voted on other uh uh various projects

769
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:52,400
related to the city's sewer.
um processing and collection facilities.

770
01:05:48,319 --> 01:05:57,839
It's all on record, I assume.
So, what is it that we're getting above

771
01:05:54,559 --> 01:06:02,000
and beyond current city records in terms
of information to support the rate

772
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:06,400
study?
>> Well, we get a we get an upgrade GIS

773
01:06:04,799 --> 01:06:13,839
map, which is what we use to do our
modeling for our cap for sewer master

774
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:18,400
planning. Um we also that They get they
they do and they do an analysis of the

775
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:23,119
cost of the pipes that go in the ground,
how many linear feet of pipe, manhibles,

776
01:06:20,799 --> 01:06:31,280
all that gets quantified in that GIS
system and then that information gets

777
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:36,640
rolled into the model. Uh and also the
data on that is is quantified with the

778
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:41,760
date and the year and uh the information
tied with that such as manhole depth,

779
01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:47,079
sewer size and we get to use that
information for our infrastructure um

780
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:53,119
maintenance. In other words, then we can
tie that to when when it was cleaned

781
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:58,000
last, what what we found, what what the
problem areas and all that gets built

782
01:06:55,680 --> 01:07:03,200
upon over the coming years. So, it
provides an area to provide all that

783
01:07:01,359 --> 01:07:08,640
information to. So they're basically
co-esking all the information on size,

784
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:12,960
age, maintenance,
>> location,

785
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:17,280
» capacity, physical location, all into
one model.

786
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:21,119
» And will they be doing that from records
that the city already has um every time

787
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:25,359
work has been done?
>> Records that we have received from uh

788
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:29,359
developers and from our own projects.
Yes.

789
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:36,319
» So I forgive me, I don't intend to be
aggressive, but do you do you think that

790
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:40,079
that $27,000 is an appropriate amount
for doing this job.

791
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:45,119
» It's a pretty big lift
putting it together. It also at this

792
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:50,960
point um it's going to update the model
as well because that model is obsolete

793
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:56,160
as far as software goes and I think we
all understand when software gets to a

794
01:07:53,359 --> 01:08:01,359
certain age it is no longer suitable
package. So part of the work will be

795
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:07,000
updating the software of the GIS model.
>> It's not supported anymore that our

796
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:07,000
model sits in.

797
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:15,039
» All right. Thank you.
>> I I think if I can tag along uh on what

798
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:22,239
council member Schaefer just asked or
discussed um hypothetically, if you want

799
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:29,600
to even go that route, uh could staff
even do it? And if they could do it,

800
01:08:26,799 --> 01:08:35,359
what kind of a workload and dollar, you
know, could that even be?

801
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:37,199
» We do not have a staff member who has
the

802
01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:41,679
» expertise
>> expertise or the time to complete this

803
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:45,359
work. Mainly the time. It's not we
couldn't train somebody or or find

804
01:08:43,679 --> 01:08:50,159
somebody, but we don't have that
currently. Well, and I think the risk,

805
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:53,679
the liability risk also is another NIPKA
suit if we're not hiring an expert for

806
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:56,799
calculation,
>> right?

807
01:08:54,080 --> 01:09:00,000
» That isn't an in-house
um employee.

808
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:06,000
» It's one of these things where again you
you're almost required to go to a an

809
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:09,920
impartial, shall we say, non-involved
source whether whether

810
01:09:07,839 --> 01:09:11,759
» Yeah. an unbiased neutral objective
expert.

811
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:16,000
» Right.
>> This is a cheaper investment than

812
01:09:13,679 --> 01:09:16,880
litigation 100%. Yeah.
>> Okay.

813
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:19,279
» Thank you.
>> Very good. Starboard side. Any

814
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:25,679
questions?
>> Yeah. Allan, is it is it typical to wait

815
01:09:22,719 --> 01:09:30,640
six years to do this or is it
>> in the falls in line with when we would

816
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:34,319
do this? We would do we do like a sewer
master plan try to do that five around

817
01:09:32,799 --> 01:09:36,239
five years. So we're in that we're in
that time frame.

818
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:42,319
» Yeah. So we're in that window.
>> This will also roll into we move to that

819
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:46,640
path. This will would be a cost we would
have to absorb at that point if we don't

820
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:52,319
absorb it here. So, it's just a matter
of which Apple which carts come first,

821
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:56,960
right? The hard portion of the cart. So,
>> yeah. So,

822
01:09:53,120 --> 01:10:02,880
» this is driving it today. If we were to
do the master plan update, that would

823
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:08,480
drive it tomorrow. So, and so it's right
on schedule with that type of update.

824
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:14,719
» Yeah. So, what I'm I just want to repeat
what I heard. So, not only is the

825
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:17,760
software update necessary, but after all
of the lift station and all the work

826
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:22,800
that's been done. Getting that updated
is necessary to protect us from any sort

827
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:26,800
of errors that would result in
litigation. So, it's a necessary evil at

828
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,880
this point.
>> Yeah.

829
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:33,360
» Yeah. It's a it's an operational thing
for the city staff as well.

830
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:39,360
» Yeah. Okay. Matt.
>> Yeah. Um, having been through the NIPKA

831
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:44,560
lawsuit, um, going to the Supreme Court,
getting into two mediation sessions,

832
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:50,239
um, what we're dealing with here is
really critical because the information

833
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:55,199
that that have to that has to be derived
goes into calculating the sewer

834
01:10:52,800 --> 01:11:03,120
capitalization fee that we will charge.
And that is a cap fee to deliver the

835
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:06,480
sewage from our rateayers to HARBs. And
so we have to justify that and there's a

836
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:12,719
key term for it's called equitable
buyin. You have to prove uh that that

837
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:18,000
equitable buyin number is correct. And
so we have to do this there. This is

838
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:23,280
this is in my opinion not cheap but it's
it's money well spent to protect

839
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:26,640
ourselves from future lawsuits. So um
it's critical. We got to do it and I

840
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:32,480
support it 100%.
>> Okay. If that's everyone's questions,

841
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:40,320
anybody like to make a motion?
>> Uh, Mr. Mayor, I'll make the motion that

842
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:45,600
we approve uh item 5C um authorizing uh
contract with JUB Engineers for sewer

843
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:49,520
capitalization fee support services.
>> This one's for FC.

844
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:51,679
» I'm no right. He's on it.
>> You're right.

845
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,679
» Second. You're
>> keeping us on our toes.

846
01:11:52,719 --> 01:11:56,880
» I jumped off.
>> All right. We have a motion to second.

847
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:59,520
Any discussion?
May we get a roll call vote, please?

848
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,040
» Council member Rotor,
>> yes.

849
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,560
» Council member Ericson,
>> yes.

850
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,080
» Council President Dri,
>> yes.

851
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:07,040
» Council member Schaefer,
>> yes.

852
01:12:04,719 --> 01:12:10,560
» Okay. Our last new business item is uh
an agreement with Wake Media LLC for

853
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:14,199
communications and information
technology support.

854
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:25,679
» Do you want me to talk?
>> Uh I if Yes, sure.

855
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:31,120
» Thank you, Lisa. Um so this particular
one uh the reason it's not in the

856
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:35,679
consent agenda given the either the
amount or the pro the applic or the

857
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:39,840
request is simply because it's not
technically budgeted. This is one of

858
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:43,199
those that um as mentioned in the budget
development process if we felt it was a

859
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:47,679
good idea we'd bring it forward. So
before you is the contract with Lake

860
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:51,920
Media to assist the city with some what
I would consider uh more of an umbrella

861
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:57,920
or master agreement for as directed as
needed IT communication and support

862
01:12:53,600 --> 01:13:02,400
systems. Uh and the as mentioned in
previous meetings, there's been a need

863
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:07,360
or a desire from um some of our
commissions to develop some programs

864
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:13,920
that are supportive of their endeavors
uh to include such as the um

865
01:13:11,679 --> 01:13:16,159
memorial uh what do we call
>> papers

866
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:20,000
» with the papers. Yeah. So where you can
get on and see an interactive map of

867
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:27,520
favors that have been paid for or
donated and in remembrance of any fallen

868
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:32,640
officers or military and this would be a
similar action that we would do use this

869
01:13:29,679 --> 01:13:37,280
company for uh as well as any other
supportive materials. So this particular

870
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:42,480
contract being under five or not
exceeding $5,000 would give us that tool

871
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:46,239
to use to build those. So we would be
using our fund balance to favor this

872
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:49,920
which is you know given the cost is not
a concern to to me and my behalf. So

873
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:54,080
» thank you Lisa. The only thing I'll add
is we had a previous contract uh last

874
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:58,320
fiscal year with my site marketing for
the same service. So even though this

875
01:13:56,159 --> 01:14:01,640
company's new the service being provided
is not

876
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:14,560
» do you need a a motion?
>> Well thank you. Okay,

877
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:20,080
Mr. Mayor, I motion that we approve item
5D, agreement with Wake Media LLC for

878
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:23,600
communications and information
technology support.

879
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:27,040
» Is there a second?
>> Second.

880
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:30,000
» Any discussion?
And we get a roll call vote, please.

881
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:31,840
» Council member Ericson,
>> yes.

882
01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:33,360
» Council President Dri,
>> yes.

883
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,719
» Council member Rotor,
>> yes.

884
01:14:33,679 --> 01:14:36,640
» Council member Schaefer,
>> yes.

885
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:42,960
» Okay, we're going to move into our
reports. Lisa is going to give us a 2025

886
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:46,480
year in review presentation.
>> Promised you this at the last meeting

887
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:51,280
and you postponed me till tonight. So
you get it tonight.

888
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:54,000
» Give me a second here.
>> Can we propose postpone you next

889
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:56,159
December?
>> Stop.

890
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:59,159
» No, just kidding.
>> Ouch.

891
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:07,480
» Now I got to figure out where I put it.

892
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:18,640
It's title 1.13.
>> Yeah. So, you got the um you got the

893
01:15:15,679 --> 01:15:23,280
presentation in the packet of materials
so that you could come prepared if you

894
01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:28,000
have any questions. But, uh typically
what we like what I like to do when

895
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:31,679
we're looking at um the culmination at
at the year end uh unfortunately this is

896
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:37,199
kind of culminating with a year
beginning is a reverse kind of review.

897
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:43,760
um review mirror look at some of the
places that we've come over the year and

898
01:15:39,679 --> 01:15:49,360
really to to find some pride from this
whole city on the work that's been

899
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:54,239
accomplished and then to pivot from that
position into a year looking forward so

900
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:59,520
that council can see some of the driving
factors for what will likely be coming

901
01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:03,600
before you in the in the coming year.
And so we'll just kind of go through all

902
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:06,719
the departments. Uh and there will be a
few that that get overlooked and it's

903
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:10,880
not intentional just because their work
is sort of ebbing and flowing across

904
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:17,199
multiple departments. So under or within
the finance department, uh just a

905
01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:22,960
summary review, uh worth noting beyond a
big transition from a

906
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:27,520
on-site software system to a a
cloud-based system, we also accomplished

907
01:16:25,679 --> 01:16:31,840
over the course of three uh this one
year three fiscal year audits with a

908
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:34,400
final audit coming to you in March, but
the majority of that work happening this

909
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:37,760
last year. Yes.
>> So are we up to date now? We caught up.

910
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:41,920
We'll be in March when you when that's
uh tenatively planned to be delivered to

911
01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:48,320
you guys. We'll be on we are actually
meeting the 25 schedule for an audit. So

912
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:49,679
right now we are realistically um caught
up.

913
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:53,280
» Excellent. So,
>> long time.

914
01:16:50,719 --> 01:16:57,600
» Uh, and as included in my report, you
saw a financial statement that was

915
01:16:55,040 --> 01:17:01,679
prepared by my by my office in concert
with finance that does provide not only

916
01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:04,640
your month-to-month financial
information, but also fund balance,

917
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:09,199
something we've not been able to do up
until more recently. So, a fund balance

918
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:13,440
of all your funds. So, if you if you
don't have that, I I printed off some

919
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:18,560
copies. I'm happy to give those out. Uh
and in addition to that, we've initiated

920
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:22,159
the financial policy which is sort of a
culmination of a a myriad of different

921
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:28,000
policies that the city has adopted over
the course of it the last uh 20 years

922
01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:32,239
and then building also a reserve policy.
So something I've uh challenged the

923
01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:35,760
council and myself with when I started
here and now feel comfortable and

924
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:38,400
confident that we can move forward with
bringing that forward to you. So I look

925
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:44,239
forward to seeing that in your hands
here coming soon.

926
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:47,040
So, we jump into recreation. Uh, you
know, these this is a lot of numbers is

927
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:52,480
why I gave this to you ahead of time. I
just want to uh do a couple takeaways

928
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:57,679
that when we look across our recreation
uh user profile, right, who's coming and

929
01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:03,120
who's playing, what we're seeing is on
our youth programs, we're seeing a

930
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:07,440
fairly decent split between residential
and non-residential

931
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:12,960
uh participants. non-residents are
slightly above residents, but uh overall

932
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:17,440
we're we're seeing support by a
community beyond Hayden for a wreck

933
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:21,040
program. And and then in addition to
that, because our programs are run so

934
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:25,120
successfully and people enjoy them,
we're seeing increases. So what we're

935
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:28,320
finding is this sort of kind of growing
out of our shoes a little bit here and

936
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:33,600
we're some of the things that we'll have
to tackle looking ahead will be how do

937
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:36,719
we how do we either change our programs
to be more reflective of the

938
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:41,360
restrictions that we do have or how do
we grow and some of that will be

939
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:46,239
compartmentalized into specific
programs. But overall just know that our

940
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:50,840
wreck program is continually being
supported within our community and

941
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,840
beyond.

942
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:58,080
Adult league's down, guys. We need to
get the adults out there. So, do what

943
01:18:56,000 --> 01:19:01,840
you can. But overall, we're still
seeing, you know, relatively as we look

944
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:04,960
year to year, circumstantially
>> holding steady. Go ahead.

945
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:12,080
» Can you back up just a second? So, we
had for the year we had 3,258

946
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:18,400
players. And go the next one.
We had almost a thou. So, we had 5,000

947
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:21,679
participants. Wow.
>> Yeah.

948
01:19:19,679 --> 01:19:25,440
and and it's a it's a really a hats off
and a testament to how the wreck pro

949
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:29,760
program is run starting from the
director downward.

950
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:34,080
» Uh this is also our our department that
sees the most temporary employees. So

951
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:37,679
we're always when we come to you in
budget year and we're saying well how

952
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:40,719
many coaches do we need or how many
temporary employees do we need? And you

953
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:44,960
see that notch going up you'll
understand why why are we needing that?

954
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:49,120
Well, our programs are growing uh and
and you know, as we bring on more wreck

955
01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:52,560
facilities like we did this last year
with Crawford Park, it's a direct

956
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:57,880
representation of that growth coming
forward in the form of more um

957
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,880
participation.

958
01:19:58,239 --> 01:20:06,239
» One of the areas that maybe is not as
known but it's good to talk about is our

959
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:14,159
special interest programs. This these
are programs that we contract with uh

960
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:19,840
participate uh programs or coaches or
vendors to offer a variety of different

961
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:27,199
opportunities to engage in recreation.
And so it might be ice skating or um or

962
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:31,840
dance, but it's still important when we
think about recreation being supported

963
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:36,239
across all of our community. And so uh
again similarly like you saw in our

964
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:39,440
other programs that split kind of being
represented here where non-residents

965
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:45,199
kind of squeak out a little bit higher
than our residential uh participation or

966
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:50,199
participants but overall supported when
we see the number of participants and

967
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:50,199
still growing

968
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:57,840
within wreck. We also uh we kind of have
a split between that between the wreck

969
01:20:55,840 --> 01:21:02,960
program but also our city events. This
one's a little harder to get a true

970
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:07,040
count when we talk about our city
events. So, this would be our Hayden

971
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:11,600
days and some of our uh programs in the
winter. Uh much like it's been shown

972
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:15,920
here. This is our lights parade. Um so,
we try to do a good job of estimating

973
01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:20,560
based on sort of capacity that that
facility could hold. And so, you'll see

974
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:26,320
that um you know, we have estimated at
our events saw about just under 15,000

975
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:29,920
people, which is significant.
And you'll see those events can't be

976
01:21:28,159 --> 01:21:34,000
supported without this without the
strong um support of our volunteers who

977
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:38,800
help make that happen. So you'll see
that at 281 this last year. Uh when we

978
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:43,679
look at our facilities in the
reservation, this is also a good

979
01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:47,440
indicator of the um programs and the
facilities that we have being a

980
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:52,960
activated by our community. You'll see
those supporting an increase uh of in

981
01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:57,600
the field reservations 43%.
And a participation of you know a 35%

982
01:21:55,360 --> 01:22:01,520
increase. So good. This is a healthy
response to the uh investments that you

983
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:06,320
guys make in our facilities being used
by the community.

984
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:10,000
Jumping over to community development.
This is just a synopsis of uh the

985
01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:14,320
reports that you guys get. You got it
last month. So this is just taking from

986
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:19,120
that. What are we seeing happen here? We
expect, just so you know, with the way

987
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:23,600
that the um economy is that when you see
interest rates being what they are for

988
01:22:21,679 --> 01:22:28,960
um mortgage rates, you're going to see
that closely tie back to the number of u

989
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:33,199
requests for new new single family
dwellings. Um so we're seeing a little

990
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:36,880
bit of that starting to happen now
comparatively to the previous year, but

991
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:41,440
overall still strong. It's still a
strong department. We um we know that we

992
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:44,480
built into the budget this last year for
another planner. We're actively still

993
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:49,040
looking for that planner, but we're also
taking to heart the reality that if um

994
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:52,320
if interest rates stay up, you know,
maybe we ought to be thinking about how

995
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:54,800
we can be more resilient and the last
thing we want to do is bring on somebody

996
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:59,600
and then find out that the market
doesn't drive that position. So, all

997
01:22:56,719 --> 01:23:04,800
things that we're considering uh within
sort of long range that I think is worth

998
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:09,760
um acknowledging and and praising really
our our staff and our um and our

999
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:14,639
electeds on is the completion of the
five-year update for the comprehensive

1000
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:19,440
plan that um in every community and as
you probably all very well know my

1001
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:25,040
background I I jokingly say that I'm a
recovering planner um is that the um

1002
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:29,679
updates to comprehensive plans even if
they're totally rewrites or updates is

1003
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:34,320
an extensive and exhausting process and
to get that done in this last year is a

1004
01:23:32,719 --> 01:23:37,760
testament to your staff and the work
that they put together. So, if you

1005
01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:43,840
haven't already, take the time to thank
them. So, um and then the area of impact

1006
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:49,280
agreement, uh
this was a nailbiter. I won't lie. Uh

1007
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:55,360
two years ago, the state legislature
passed a improvements to title 50 in

1008
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:59,920
this area where the area of impact
required every city in the state of

1009
01:23:58,159 --> 01:24:04,960
Idaho to go back to the respective
county and renegotiate that AO AOI

1010
01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:08,800
agreement area of impact. I I they now
call it the AI, but I with that

1011
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:13,760
terminology being sort of um
overutilized these days, I stay back

1012
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:17,199
with AOI. uh that um in order for us to
even hear the annexation agreement that

1013
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:20,400
you wanted to tonight, we had to have
that agreement in place by December

1014
01:24:18,719 --> 01:24:24,800
31st. And when did the ordinance get
signed by the county commissioners? Like

1015
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:27,760
two days before the end of the year
>> and it got recorded on the 31st.

1016
01:24:26,480 --> 01:24:32,239
» Yes, that's that's where I was going to
go because I know the county was having

1017
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:34,560
some issues with it and I believe that's
where that we went to that hearing.

1018
01:24:34,159 --> 01:24:38,800
» Yep.
>> And so they did it is all

1019
01:24:36,719 --> 01:24:43,920
» Yes. Not every city got theirs done in
time, but we did. And again, this is a

1020
01:24:41,679 --> 01:24:46,560
time where you can take a moment in your
uh free time here at the city or if

1021
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:50,159
you're coming in to thank your staff
because that was a huge undertaking in a

1022
01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:53,120
short amount of time. And granted, it
wasn't the time frame that we were on.

1023
01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:57,360
We got our stuff to them well in advance
of that date, but um the county was on a

1024
01:24:56,000 --> 01:25:00,960
different track for getting that done
and and followed through with their

1025
01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:05,199
commitment to get it done by the end of
the year with the the like I said,

1026
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:08,480
nailbiting finish, right? As the mayor
alluded to today, we're you know, we're

1027
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:12,880
talking about football season. This was
one of those nailbiters for us.

1028
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:17,040
» Just a clarification on this subject.
So, as I understood it, it was Post

1029
01:25:14,719 --> 01:25:21,760
Falls and Celane that the county had the
problems with in their area of impacts.

1030
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:25,360
» They had problems with everybody's.
It wasn't respective of anyone. I mean,

1031
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:32,800
» okay. So, they did come back with
directives to Hayden changes. We

1032
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:37,840
again a a a dose of gratitude to our
staff and working with the county staff

1033
01:25:34,639 --> 01:25:42,080
and the and the BOCC is they they ask
for things in order to help what I what

1034
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:46,800
I like to refer to as reducing the
friction. So many times things get stuck

1035
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:52,639
because somebody has to carry it from
point A to point B. and uh and our staff

1036
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:56,400
did a very good job, Donna specifically,
in taking that friction away and making

1037
01:25:54,560 --> 01:26:00,480
it easy for the county to get ours
across the finish line. So, some of the

1038
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:04,159
cities didn't have that level of uh
staff and and um they'll be working

1039
01:26:02,639 --> 01:26:09,520
through the that process again with the
county this next year, but ours is a

1040
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:15,600
true testament a hat off to um to Donna
and her team up there. Before you go to

1041
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:20,880
the next slide, could you uh explain the
code enforcement column and what those

1042
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:24,560
four numbers mean and what what that's
about? I I don't understand.

1043
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:29,120
» Which one? Where are we at? Sorry.
>> This code enforcement column.

1044
01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:33,280
» Oh, yeah. Sorry. Uh so those are be um
ones that got open in the last year,

1045
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:37,040
ones that were closed. as a prosecutor
uh as I understand and and if I get this

1046
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:42,480
wrong, Donna, I can interject is simply
that when we get done and cannot through

1047
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:46,000
our own tools within our toolbox get
compliance, then we hand it over to the

1048
01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:51,040
prosecutor and the prosecutor struggling
in those four cases to just even connect

1049
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:53,840
with the property owners. Uh so,
>> so these are code enforcement violations

1050
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,159
that were
>> or some level of code enforcement

1051
01:26:55,440 --> 01:27:00,239
compliance.
>> That's what I wasn't sure of. So, what's

1052
01:26:58,159 --> 01:27:03,040
the difference between open, closed, and
city? I

1053
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:07,199
» help me with the city one. I don't
recall.

1054
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:11,679
» So, uh, an open violation is a violation
that we're currently working with the

1055
01:27:08,480 --> 01:27:15,600
property owner on to resolve
working through that process. Closed

1056
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:20,159
violations are those violations that
were opened in the last year and have

1057
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:25,280
closed, so they've met compliance
requirements.

1058
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:29,679
and the city. Uh so the 28 that are
open, four of them are with the

1059
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:33,040
prosecutor who's trying to get to a
property owner to

1060
01:27:30,719 --> 01:27:38,159
» Oh, right. And then 24 Switzerland
>> and the other 24 are with the city

1061
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:42,639
trying to get compliance.
>> So the 20 the prosecutor and the city

1062
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:45,280
are the 28 that are open
>> where they sit right now.

1063
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:49,520
» Okay. So,
>> uh, when we talk about budget, when we

1064
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:52,480
get to that whole conversation, which,
you know, it feels like we just got over

1065
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:57,040
with it. We're going to start here in a
couple months. Uh, we'll be talking

1066
01:27:54,239 --> 01:28:01,280
about, uh, the the new growth of
construction, adding to our tax roles.

1067
01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:06,400
As as many of you know, we're allowed to
take 90% of that value to increase our,

1068
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:13,679
um, base levy increase as long as it
doesn't exceed uh, 5% or 8% overall. uh

1069
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:19,920
this will come into play in that regard.
So you start to see that valuation being

1070
01:28:15,679 --> 01:28:24,400
added to the um city's overall value
base value for taxation and it will it

1071
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:28,880
definitely helps. So this new
construction will come on the rolls in

1072
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:32,239
this next year theoretically. Um the
commercial for sure, light industrial

1073
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:36,239
for sure, but single family dwellings is
a little a little different and I'm

1074
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:40,480
happy to talk about the why about that
maybe offline. But either way, um that's

1075
01:28:38,719 --> 01:28:49,719
what we're seeing when we talk about
base levy or our total valuation coming

1076
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:49,719
up in the next uh discussion of budget.

1077
01:28:51,199 --> 01:28:58,639
So when we break apart our permits, you
can kind of see there's been and there

1078
01:28:55,840 --> 01:29:03,920
always has been uh much ado about the
residential multif family uh and you'll

1079
01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:09,440
see that we still remain at zero. So,
uh, duplexes, typically we get one or

1080
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:13,760
two duplexes, but this year none. Um,
and single family homes generally right

1081
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:17,920
now are the ones that bring, um, the
most permits in any given year. So, when

1082
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:22,560
you look at non-residential, those are
going to be your commercial permits,

1083
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:28,159
your industrial permits, uh, and
possibly even residential, non um,

1084
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:32,880
non-residential. So, like your garages.
Is that a true statement, Donna? No.

1085
01:29:30,239 --> 01:29:36,880
Okay. So, no, don't include that.
And then the other uh which is it's just

1086
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:40,000
a fun one to talk about and that's the
building permit that we had to pull the

1087
01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:44,000
city had to pull for the H6 lift
station.

1088
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:47,600
» So there's no number under residential
multifamily. That's

1089
01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:51,800
» yeah it's just zero. Sorry it might be
on there. It might have just come off

1090
01:29:48,639 --> 01:29:51,800
the page.

1091
01:29:52,239 --> 01:29:58,000
» So another element of community
development is looking at okay well what

1092
01:29:55,440 --> 01:30:01,920
are we doing uh on the economic side of
things for businesses? And you'll start

1093
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:06,639
to see that we've looked at new or
expanded businesses, 12 new, three

1094
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:11,920
expanded, one relocated. And on the
major minor subdivisions, 10 and 13

1095
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:18,000
respectively that were applied for,
correct? Not necessarily platted all the

1096
01:30:14,719 --> 01:30:21,520
way through. And then uh when we we look
at workload, you know, not only are we

1097
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:24,960
looking at what's revenue coming in, but
what is the actual workload being

1098
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:28,880
processed through this the the
department, you know, when we're talking

1099
01:30:26,719 --> 01:30:33,440
about all the other applications that go
through community development, 41

1100
01:30:30,719 --> 01:30:38,159
additionals. So, it's a busy department.
I mean, if if I had to say anything in

1101
01:30:36,239 --> 01:30:42,800
sort of looking at that review, they
were busy busy all year long. And Lisa,

1102
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:47,840
to that point, for our taxpayers,
finance, community development,

1103
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:52,000
uh, recreation, they're all departments
of three, four, well, four people.

1104
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:57,040
» Yeah. The city has approximately roughly
around 30 to 35 full-time employees. So,

1105
01:30:55,360 --> 01:31:02,800
when you think about the workload being
spread over all of those employees, your

1106
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:07,840
employees, they they work long hours,
they get a lot done in the day. And you

1107
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:11,760
know, as part of my leadership has been,
it's like we get you for the hours, we

1108
01:31:09,440 --> 01:31:14,480
get you, go home and be a a person on
the other end of that, so you can come

1109
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:17,840
back and work hard again the next day.
Yeah.

1110
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:21,360
» Um 13 major subdivisions. What's the
break? What's the break point on?

1111
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:24,400
» So that would to me it would be over
four, correct?

1112
01:31:22,639 --> 01:31:27,040
» No, it's five acres.
>> Oh, five acres

1113
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:32,080
size.
>> It's acreage, not number of units. So

1114
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:35,679
there's 13 subdivisions over five acres
that are in the works right now. one

1115
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:40,000
phase or another. Yep.
>> Okay.

1116
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:44,719
» All good questions. Moving to move on to
public works. This is our largest

1117
01:31:41,679 --> 01:31:50,840
department. Uh it covers a huge
expansive area over the city. Literally,

1118
01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:50,840
they cover the city. Uh

1119
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:58,880
when we think about um the public works
department, we really think about it in

1120
01:31:56,719 --> 01:32:04,400
a couple different um areas. We have
administration which is our um like key

1121
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:09,840
staff that work out of city hall and
then we'll have our streets department

1122
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:15,360
and our parks department that make up
the remainder of that. Uh when we think

1123
01:32:12,159 --> 01:32:19,040
about the completions of projects in
this last year. Many many of you have

1124
01:32:17,440 --> 01:32:24,400
heard this or been part of this process
and probably can recall uh all the um

1125
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:28,560
the huray and the high fives as we
navigated the year here. but they're

1126
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:32,560
worth renoting and that is that the city
was, you know, given the option,

1127
01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:38,159
something I know the highway district
hoped for for 50 years to purchase the

1128
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:42,560
property that we um were able to buy the
buildings from the Lakes Highway

1129
01:32:39,679 --> 01:32:46,000
District and because of the foresight
that council had in this and the support

1130
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:50,080
that you gave your administration, we
were able to additionally uh work with

1131
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:54,560
the county on buying the adjacent 4
acres to the south of that. this

1132
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:59,840
particular
um accomplishment secured our future for

1133
01:32:57,679 --> 01:33:04,560
this department for the remainder of
this decade and and many more to come.

1134
01:33:01,679 --> 01:33:09,600
So that is a a hats off moment, proud
moment, exciting moment for us. We've

1135
01:33:06,639 --> 01:33:15,760
secured our our current um future and
our and our you know 50 years down the

1136
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:21,600
road theoretically. Um, so that land, if
you recall, took us to the pro process

1137
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:26,320
of selling a 5acre piece of land that we
had had on uh Dakota Street. Uh, that

1138
01:33:24,719 --> 01:33:32,480
was a piece of property that the city
had invested in um about 10 years ago in

1139
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:35,679
order to move facilities that are over
behind here in McIntyre Park to that

1140
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:38,639
land. But because of the opportunity
that came with the Lakes Highway

1141
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:41,920
District, we were able to sell that and
purchase this one. We didn't, it wasn't

1142
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:45,840
quite tit fortat, meaning we didn't
bring in enough money to cover the full

1143
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:50,560
expense of that, but it narrowed the the
um cost purchased by um from, you know,

1144
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:53,520
what would have been a couple million
dollars down to just a couple

1145
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:58,000
hundred,000.
>> You off hand know what the city paid for

1146
01:33:55,840 --> 01:34:00,639
that Dakota property when they purchased
it?

1147
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:04,320
» Yeah, it was somewhere around $385,000.
>> And we and we sold it for what?

1148
01:34:02,239 --> 01:34:08,480
» Uh just under 1.8.
>> Yeah.

1149
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:12,400
» Don't quote me on that, but I check back
with you. That's my rec 2015 is when

1150
01:34:11,199 --> 01:34:15,880
they purchased it and I think it was
right around 385,000ish.4ish.

1151
01:34:16,719 --> 01:34:23,760
» Uh well I think it's worth I guess we
could say is that uh we bought the land

1152
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:28,560
for about $7 a square well we bought the
land for $7 a square foot and we sold

1153
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:34,320
the land for roughly $950 a square foot.
So we did good.

1154
01:34:31,440 --> 01:34:37,600
uh and as a result of the uh purchase of
the buildings because if council

1155
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:40,719
remembers and for the benefit of our new
council member, the city had the option

1156
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:44,800
of buying the buildings, but the land
didn't come with the buildings. The land

1157
01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:50,400
was owned by the county under the um
airport ownership. And so we purchased

1158
01:34:47,679 --> 01:34:53,760
the buildings for roughly a quarter of
the cost it would have been to make to

1159
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:59,679
create new buildings. Now, we got some
aged buildings, but we were able to take

1160
01:34:56,639 --> 01:35:03,600
uh an a turnkey operation from one
system to another without a lot of

1161
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:07,600
investment, but we were we did have to
make some and those are noted here on

1162
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:09,840
this page when it relates when, as I
mentioned, the improvements are

1163
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:14,880
investment made to that facility. So,
much of our money that um that we had

1164
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:19,280
saved for and were um able to, we
invested out there to create a more

1165
01:35:16,719 --> 01:35:22,400
usable space. And I mean, I'm not going
to speak for the guys. I think they

1166
01:35:20,639 --> 01:35:26,480
could all uh would all appreciate
anybody who wants to go out there and

1167
01:35:23,679 --> 01:35:31,600
see the facility. Um they would love to
show you around and and I'm I'm hoping

1168
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:37,880
that in that opportunity they'd be um
beaming with pride over the the

1169
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:37,880
opportunity to be out there now. So

1170
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:44,880
you've heard me talk a lot about street
maintenance and a way to sort of get

1171
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:48,960
back or crawl back in some deferred
maintenance that the city that I took

1172
01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:53,199
over when I I took over my position
here. And much of that was just looking

1173
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:58,400
at how do we how many street lane miles
are we maintaining a year and how can we

1174
01:35:55,520 --> 01:36:02,320
take um our maintenance dollars that are
limited. They're really all most of our

1175
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:06,639
maintenance dollars come from property
tax and money shared by the state and

1176
01:36:04,719 --> 01:36:10,719
invest those in a prudent way that
really promagates I think forward what

1177
01:36:08,719 --> 01:36:16,320
our citizens expect of us. They would
like good roads that don't have potholes

1178
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:21,120
and and still maintain a level of of um
pride and ownership. So we uh in in

1179
01:36:19,199 --> 01:36:23,760
concert with that uh statement that
you'll see some of the street

1180
01:36:22,239 --> 01:36:29,760
maintenance that's been done and you'll
see that we are u getting to that

1181
01:36:26,719 --> 01:36:33,199
approximate 19 to 20 lane miles of chips
a year that we need to get to to

1182
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:37,040
maintain that 7 to 10 year time frame of
maintenance. So, we're making we're

1183
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:40,320
making strides there and and that is
really again a testament to your staff

1184
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:45,840
and the work that they're putting in to
try to um show good faith effort that

1185
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:50,159
the streets that they that that you guys
have have taken on that they uh and uh

1186
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:54,800
that you've entrusted them to. They're
they are investing those dollars wisely.

1187
01:36:52,719 --> 01:36:58,719
» Lisa, do you know what happened to those
missing street lights? Do you know like

1188
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:00,560
» which ones?
>> I don't know. It says replace six

1189
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:03,840
missing street lights.
>> Oh, yeah. So, yeah. Thank you.

1190
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:07,520
» Stolen.
Really? Where where' they go? Good

1191
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:12,239
question. Trees knock over the lights.
>> Yeah, I'd be happy to. I It's so when

1192
01:37:10,239 --> 01:37:16,159
the city we have, and you'll learn about
this when we go through budget, but we

1193
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:22,080
have a a special fund that the city took
out a um I'm going to draw a blank on

1194
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:27,119
the name. Uh we took out money basically
through a levy on um just properties

1195
01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:34,320
along Government Way to do the
investments that made Government Way the

1196
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:37,199
way it is now. And in that um
in that process, they put in all the

1197
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:40,880
street lights that are there. And over
the course of time and under the

1198
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:45,920
previous administration, when a street
light was taken out by a vehicle or or

1199
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:52,159
damaged by some means, uh they weren't
replaced. And it was my opinion that our

1200
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:56,639
property owners are paying for and and
are every month or every year paying for

1201
01:37:54,480 --> 01:38:00,560
uh that that investment being made. It's
our obligation to go back and replace

1202
01:37:58,159 --> 01:38:06,719
those. So, we brought before council
probably late summerish, early fall, a

1203
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:10,719
proposal to replace a certain number of
those. We couldn't do all of them all at

1204
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:14,320
once, but um and so we've replaced all
of them and one has already been taken

1205
01:38:12,159 --> 01:38:17,520
out. So,
>> really?

1206
01:38:15,199 --> 01:38:19,199
» Yes. How many days? Eight days.
>> Two days.

1207
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:22,880
» Where was it?
>> Eight days. It was eight days.

1208
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:26,080
» Peak fitness.
>> Where was it?

1209
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:32,480
» In front of Peak Fitness. Oh,
>> so uh you'll hear this a lot in any if

1210
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:35,760
you um happen to to serve in any cities
and I've I've worked for a lot of

1211
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:41,280
smaller cities across northern Idaho
that uh generally street departments

1212
01:38:39,679 --> 01:38:46,000
don't love things in the middle of
streets

1213
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:50,320
like trees and
lights, but we planned ours that way.

1214
01:38:48,159 --> 01:38:54,639
So, uh, so a lot of times those get
damaged or or then they have to be

1215
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:57,920
replaced.
Okay. Uh, moving on to public works,

1216
01:38:56,480 --> 01:39:05,600
unless there's any other questions about
streets. Uh, public works is the, um,

1217
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:11,600
another major sector of our public works
facility. And this is where the council

1218
01:39:08,239 --> 01:39:17,600
may recall and um if not I'm going to be
so excited to remind you of our major

1219
01:39:13,679 --> 01:39:22,880
investment that started with a novel uh
idea supported by our our legal council

1220
01:39:20,719 --> 01:39:29,040
and our staff to engage in a public
private partnership with landowners and

1221
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:35,119
developers who needed to exercise an
expansion within the gravity sewer main

1222
01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:43,520
force main and uh a new lift station for
the H6 uh basin. And that uh project was

1223
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:49,520
roughly 20 millionish dollars, maybe a
little less. And we partnered with the

1224
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:55,040
developers that um make up a majority of
them of the Hayden Canyon subdivisions

1225
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:59,360
and were able to uh essentially come
together and kind of co-uild this um

1226
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:03,360
facility. And that was that will
hopefully come to you guys in a meeting

1227
01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:05,840
uh soon to accept all of that
infrastructure through a resolution. And

1228
01:40:04,719 --> 01:40:10,800
so we're looking forward to bringing you
that. Um big it was a big project. It

1229
01:40:08,639 --> 01:40:13,920
was a it was a big deal and uh it's a
pretty exciting place to be at this

1230
01:40:12,239 --> 01:40:18,960
point now. But we're saying we're done
with that for the most part. Uh and in

1231
01:40:16,639 --> 01:40:21,840
addition, anytime we um you know, we
think about public works and the sewer

1232
01:40:20,480 --> 01:40:26,480
side, we're thinking about how are we
maintaining that system? How are we how

1233
01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:30,880
are we keeping it operational? And uh
council may recall we invested in a a

1234
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:35,600
sewer
uh van, I guess, of sorts. I don't a TV

1235
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:41,040
van. and you'll see that it's been out
working that CCTV is uh out there

1236
01:40:38,639 --> 01:40:44,960
putting uh cameras in our sewer lines
and inspecting those sewer lines to make

1237
01:40:42,480 --> 01:40:50,000
sure that they are um not leaking or are
still performing well. And then as part

1238
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:55,520
of that as well, we uh typically and mo
uh cities will have rotations of wind

1239
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:59,119
sewer mains are flushed so that way we
make sure there aren't any issues that

1240
01:40:57,119 --> 01:41:02,960
could potentially bubble up. And we were
just talking about today how I've seen

1241
01:41:01,199 --> 01:41:07,920
two sewer geysers and they're not fun to
have to go through. So um thankfully

1242
01:41:04,719 --> 01:41:10,800
here not here but elsewhere. And then uh
as council recalls and has heard

1243
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:13,920
multiple times over the course of last
year, we started the disillusion process

1244
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:20,000
and that's been initiated. Something
that uh was a number one priority I

1245
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:25,199
learned of the council previous of my ad
taking over administration and to see

1246
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:29,600
that work go where it's at now is um
it's promising that we'll get to the

1247
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,600
finish line.

1248
01:41:30,239 --> 01:41:36,000
So unless there's any questions on the
rearview mirror, we're going to turn to

1249
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:42,239
the um windshield here. So we're going
to look ahead

1250
01:41:39,119 --> 01:41:46,560
when you know I think we'll spend some
time and possibly suggesting at some

1251
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:50,480
point a workshop with council uh and
administration to set some priorities

1252
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:54,159
over some of the work. We don't need
competing priorities. So we want to make

1253
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:58,719
sure that we're all working with the
same level of understanding and not

1254
01:41:56,320 --> 01:42:02,960
creating friction amongst um the staff
as well as council. So as we look at

1255
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:07,520
these, these are mainly staff initiated
recognizing that we owe maybe a more

1256
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:10,320
detailed and in-depth conversation with
council about how we want to prioritize

1257
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:13,679
this. But I'm going to break it up into
the respective departments. So when we

1258
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:16,880
think about administration, what are the
things we're working on? You heard some

1259
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:20,480
of that tonight. Um and you've heard it
previously. Um trying to complete some

1260
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:24,080
of the work that we started. McIntyre
Park is uh going through the process

1261
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:28,480
right now of what we call a master
planning effort. And the hope of that is

1262
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:32,880
that um at the culmination of the
termination of the urban renewal agency

1263
01:42:30,639 --> 01:42:36,560
that that money that's been allocated or
appropriated that they think they're

1264
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:40,639
going to get that they would wish to
invest in McIntyre Park will be able to

1265
01:42:38,639 --> 01:42:44,800
do so. So, uh but in order to get to
that place, we have to first all agree

1266
01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:48,239
on what that plan looks like. And that
process is exciting. Um it's

1267
01:42:46,480 --> 01:42:51,920
invigorating. We're looking forward to
seeing the completion of that. and then

1268
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:56,960
those dollars being invested wisely back
into that facility. I mentioned earlier

1269
01:42:54,159 --> 01:43:02,960
under the financial um update the
financial policy. This is um

1270
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:06,320
really mostly done. The only other area
that still needs some work on is our

1271
01:43:04,719 --> 01:43:10,719
investment policy, one that we don't
have or didn't have previously. So, I'm

1272
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:14,960
hoping to bring that to you guys soon.
Uh the capitalization update, you heard

1273
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:18,480
that tonight. That's an exciting
endeavor to get done. So that's taking

1274
01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:24,320
all the investments, the 20 million plus
whatever projects were done ahead of the

1275
01:43:21,199 --> 01:43:28,159
H6 basin and and making sure that we're
re um getting back out of that the cost

1276
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:32,400
of that improvement back to the
connecting users of that system. So

1277
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:35,360
those will be new future users. And then
one thing you haven't heard yet, but

1278
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:40,320
it's something I'm hope to present to
you at some point is the space analysis.

1279
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:44,320
It's really getting more uh disciplined
about, okay, well, we're here and we

1280
01:43:42,639 --> 01:43:48,159
talk all the time and and you hear it
during budget and you hear it from staff

1281
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:52,719
and you maybe even hear it amongst the
uh leadership about, well, if we need to

1282
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:56,080
bring another person in to do X, you
know, the question is where do we put

1283
01:43:54,159 --> 01:44:01,920
them? We are maxed out in our space
here. uh we've so one thing I'd like to

1284
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:06,639
tackle is okay how can we get uh in a
place where we can really study what our

1285
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:12,960
space needs are so that as things align
for example the uh urban renewal agency

1286
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:18,719
looking at a potential new building at
the old owl cafe site is there a way

1287
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:23,199
that we can um dovetail into that
discussion some needs analysis that can

1288
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:27,920
be planned for or that at least be built
in in uh open space and not planned out

1289
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:33,600
space yet for the idea that we can come
in and retrofit it later with our own

1290
01:44:30,159 --> 01:44:38,400
dollars. So, those are all um priorities
of the admin side of things for now. Uh

1291
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:45,119
I'm sure there's be more opportunity to
go in more depth later with parks. Um

1292
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:50,719
really the um the area and you've heard
about this is is to finish the McIntyre

1293
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:54,719
Park Plan um to implement it. That's the
key component of our goals for 26 is get

1294
01:44:53,199 --> 01:44:58,320
it done and let's get going. You know,
we've got some major safety issues,

1295
01:44:56,880 --> 01:45:02,719
especially along Honeysuckle, that we
need to address. We've got some

1296
01:44:59,199 --> 01:45:06,080
buildings that we need to plan for their
future, what that space is going to do

1297
01:45:04,239 --> 01:45:09,280
for us. Um, and we need to get going on
that. So, that's the exciting part

1298
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:12,400
there. Uh, you heard tonight on the
consent agenda, the honeysuckle

1299
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:18,080
waterways grant. This is an opportunity
to improve sort of high uh high water

1300
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:22,719
and under some improvements that to
improve to better make an improvement

1301
01:45:20,639 --> 01:45:26,560
and better the uh facility out there.
So, it's not right now we're having a

1302
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:31,679
lot of spalling concrete that's sort of
wasting away out there underwater.

1303
01:45:29,199 --> 01:45:35,760
And then um you've heard this before and
we're excited to um bring forward to you

1304
01:45:33,440 --> 01:45:38,960
the installations of those painted come
together bench projects. So,

1305
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:42,560
» benches
>> on the sewer side of things, uh the

1306
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:47,199
facility plan, the capitalization study,
and then the the continuation of the

1307
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:50,880
dissolution. That will be our main focus
on the streets facility upgrades. These

1308
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:54,560
are these are things that we budgeted
for this this next year. We're looking

1309
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:58,480
to complete those. And then on the
intersection designs, many of you have

1310
01:45:56,480 --> 01:46:01,920
heard uh complaints from your
constituencies. We hear them as well.

1311
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:07,199
And and then of course, we're just
seeing a lot of

1312
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:10,400
concern with uh with with the number of
accidents happening at these that we

1313
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:16,000
need to do something. So you'll see us
take a large um leap of um investment

1314
01:46:14,239 --> 01:46:21,119
into into completing some of our at
least designs and then trying to align

1315
01:46:18,239 --> 01:46:25,600
those design plans with uh funds to
complete those projects. And then you'll

1316
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:28,880
see here chip ceiling 19.5 lane miles.
This is again kind of that jumping up

1317
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:32,560
trying to get to that where should we
where should we be every year in order

1318
01:46:31,119 --> 01:46:37,920
to meet our maintenance requirement for
that seven-year life cycle of a street.

1319
01:46:36,159 --> 01:46:40,960
And then outside of streets, but more
administratively, but it's kind of its

1320
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:44,159
own department now, I guess you could
call it, is our law law enforcement

1321
01:46:42,639 --> 01:46:48,719
really looking at strategic planning
along um what we're doing there. We uh

1322
01:46:47,199 --> 01:46:52,800
have gone through kind of a roller
coaster ride over the last uh 12 months

1323
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:56,719
or so. Uh the mayor and I starting that
and then council uh completing that at

1324
01:46:54,719 --> 01:47:00,480
the end of the year and really trying to
get more organized around where we're

1325
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:04,639
going so that it's not a yo-yo effect on
us, especially as we look at budget for

1326
01:47:02,480 --> 01:47:11,360
fiscal year 27.
Lisa, before you move on, so this past

1327
01:47:08,639 --> 01:47:19,360
year, we have authorized a minor
expansion in HURA with the expectation

1328
01:47:15,440 --> 01:47:23,360
of funds being used for four different
intersections along Government Way. I

1329
01:47:22,159 --> 01:47:27,520
saw only two
>> for this year. uh the we're looking at

1330
01:47:25,679 --> 01:47:33,440
trying to take advantage of the two that
already have funds uh and contracts open

1331
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:36,400
for them with the idea that
realistically those other two might come

1332
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:41,440
the next year.
>> Okay. So they're acknowledged as being

1333
01:47:39,119 --> 01:47:45,920
on deck for some work to be done, but
they

1334
01:47:43,119 --> 01:47:50,719
we have other priorities, right? The two
other take priority right now.

1335
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:55,280
» And it's not that they I guess you could
argue that they are a priority, but it's

1336
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:58,480
because we already have a number of
concerns for safety in those

1337
01:47:56,719 --> 01:47:59,600
intersections and we only have so much
staff.

1338
01:47:59,199 --> 01:48:02,719
» Got it.
>> Again, if I go back to I would love to

1339
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:07,040
hire another engineer or another more
support administrative staff, but I have

1340
01:48:04,480 --> 01:48:09,600
nowhere to put them. So, um, we can only
look at pacing our projects over that

1341
01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:14,560
year.
>> All right. Thank you.

1342
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:19,280
» On recreation, uh, this is just a it's
kind of a neat problem to have and it's

1343
01:48:16,639 --> 01:48:22,560
to, uh, continue to try to address our
continued need for, uh, and the support

1344
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:27,840
of our community for our programs and
how do we how do we um, support our

1345
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:31,440
community in that area? And that's
something I look forward to challenging

1346
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:36,159
our director with and the council with.
And and then we will likely review our

1347
01:48:34,159 --> 01:48:43,119
fees associated with non-residents to
try to bring um some commensurate cost

1348
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:48,639
for the you know the subsidies that are
made in the in the recreation department

1349
01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:52,719
to support um have the non-resident fee
come in with a um reasonable rate that

1350
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:56,159
they're paying for that.
under community development. This, as

1351
01:48:54,560 --> 01:49:01,520
council knows, with the completion of
the comprehensive plan update, it's a

1352
01:48:58,159 --> 01:49:05,840
lean-in to all things code. And so,
we'll be looking at in particular just

1353
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:09,199
these are just three areas. It doesn't
mean that they're the only areas. It's

1354
01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:15,440
just three areas that have been sort of
prompted the um the need for a comp plan

1355
01:49:13,679 --> 01:49:20,239
update. And those are listed there.
They'll probably likely be more if not

1356
01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:22,960
already being happening at this point.
And then you know it this is under

1357
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:27,280
community development but it doesn't
necessarily have to be and that's the

1358
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:34,719
transportation and parks master plan
2027 will prompt require us if we're

1359
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:39,119
going to keep our impact fees uh for uh
transportation and parks. We have to

1360
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:42,560
re-evaluate the impact fee but we can't
do so unless our transportation plans

1361
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:46,239
are updated. So those will be questions
coming to you likely in this next budget

1362
01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:52,080
year.
And with that I stand for questions. Any

1363
01:49:49,199 --> 01:49:53,760
questions?
>> Comment maybe.

1364
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:58,000
» Go ahead.
>> Uh, with our current law enforcement

1365
01:49:55,600 --> 01:50:03,199
situation being what it is, and I think
I brought this up to you

1366
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:07,920
at a future time, do we maybe want to
consider bringing back the impact fees

1367
01:50:05,679 --> 01:50:11,679
for law enforcement?
I think that might be a discussion we

1368
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:16,719
» Yeah, I think that that's a fair
conversation to have as we navigate

1369
01:50:14,480 --> 01:50:22,480
through the strategic planning exercise
that we'll go through in the next Well,

1370
01:50:18,719 --> 01:50:27,199
the that RFP is uh the the responses are
due by the 20

1371
01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:31,760
the 21st, I believe. Is that a
Wednesday? I think that's the Wednesday.

1372
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:34,880
Uh and then the hope would be after that
they come in that we would staff would

1373
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:39,520
review them to make sure that they're
complete and we can accept them as a a

1374
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:43,440
strong prop or a complete proposal and
then we'll likely call a special meeting

1375
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:46,159
with a public safety commission to
review those made recommendation and

1376
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:50,320
bring them back to you guys and then
from there get going because that's

1377
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:53,600
another one where I wish we were I wish
it was three months ago or six months

1378
01:50:51,679 --> 01:50:58,880
ago where we're at right now but right
>> we are where we are.

1379
01:50:56,800 --> 01:51:07,360
» Any other questions? I had a question
about recreation. Um sounds like

1380
01:51:04,159 --> 01:51:11,600
potentially they're overwhelmed with
all this activities, that sort of thing.

1381
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:17,040
Um
are they open to

1382
01:51:14,719 --> 01:51:22,080
um more activities being added like
different ones, say shooting, fishing,

1383
01:51:21,679 --> 01:51:25,520
camping?
>> I think all of those are are options and

1384
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:28,560
and Susie's here. She can probably speak
so I don't speak for her. special

1385
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:33,840
interest, what we call special special
interest. And what we do is we contract

1386
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:40,639
with instructors, businesses. Yeah.
>> Um and stuff like that. And then we have

1387
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:43,679
standard uh city gets uh 30%. And the
contractor gets 70. And we do a

1388
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:49,599
contract. It goes through you, you
approve it as a commit, as a council.

1389
01:51:46,719 --> 01:51:52,639
And so that just adds to what we offer
without us having to do it ourselves.

1390
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:54,639
» It's even better.
>> Yeah.

1391
01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:58,560
» Yeah. That's great. So yes, we are we
actually even have it in our guide. It's

1392
01:51:56,239 --> 01:52:02,400
like, hey, do you teach blah blah blah?
Yeah. Contact us and we'll, you know,

1393
01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:04,960
talk about it and we have a program
proposal form we'll give you and they

1394
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:08,000
fill it out. And
>> I guess the point that Susie is trying

1395
01:52:06,639 --> 01:52:11,520
to illuminate is that if there's a
demand for something, there's a

1396
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:14,880
willingness for us to review whether or
not it could become something that we

1397
01:52:13,119 --> 01:52:20,080
would sponsor on behalf of of that
vendor who's producing that

1398
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:24,400
» that sport or activity. Uh I think we've
gone vacasillated between like paint,

1399
01:52:23,199 --> 01:52:27,199
what do they call them? Like
>> we had art and flow.

1400
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:32,239
» Yeah, art and flow. Right. So there and
and

1401
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:35,920
» sometimes those aren't um maybe uh
economical for the vendor itself. So

1402
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:39,199
you'll see those kind of eb and flow as
as demand is there. So if there's a

1403
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:44,159
demand for something and there's an
opportunity for us to co-create an an

1404
01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:47,520
activity, you'll see us jump in.
>> Okay.

1405
01:52:45,119 --> 01:52:51,119
» Any other questions?
I I had one I noticed a couple of the

1406
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:55,119
master plans listed, but I thought I
heard earlier tonight that our sewer

1407
01:52:52,560 --> 01:53:00,239
master plan might be coming due.
>> Yeah, that um is definitely one we

1408
01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:03,360
probably need to look at uh as well. Um
I need to work with the department on

1409
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:07,199
whether or not that's something we'll
try to achieve this next year or if

1410
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:09,599
it'll be something that we look at for
>> fiscal 28.

1411
01:53:08,719 --> 01:53:13,760
» 27.
>> 27. Thank you.

1412
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:16,719
» All right. Uh Lisa, did you have
anything else like calendar or anything

1413
01:53:15,199 --> 01:53:21,360
else to go? Just want to make sure I
I'll reiterate again that you have a

1414
01:53:18,719 --> 01:53:25,760
financial report in your packet that
came from me. And if you don't have it,

1415
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:27,599
I'm I printed some I think they're on my
desk.

1416
01:53:26,239 --> 01:53:31,599
» Did you email it to us?
>> It was in the packet. So it was under

1417
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:34,320
the administ city of
>> tonight's council meeting packet. It was

1418
01:53:33,679 --> 01:53:35,360
there.
>> Yeah.

1419
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:39,360
» Yeah.
>> And at the bottom of that financial

1420
01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:45,199
report, something that hasn't been done
since I started is giving you your um

1421
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:50,400
fund balance information. And that h is
a, you know, a big for me it's a big

1422
01:53:48,480 --> 01:53:54,080
deal because you've given you gave me a
city to manage and I've been managing it

1423
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:58,000
financially blind for the last two
years. And so it's exciting to get to

1424
01:53:56,080 --> 01:54:01,760
the point where we actually have good
numbers on where we sit in all of our

1425
01:53:59,679 --> 01:54:04,239
funds. So I'm happy to answer any
questions relative to that, but I want

1426
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:06,960
to make sure you know that it is a
little different than you've received in

1427
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:10,080
the past. And if you need me, I can go
grab one.

1428
01:54:07,599 --> 01:54:16,960
» So that fund balance is accurate now.
It's as accurate as we could get for

1429
01:54:12,159 --> 01:54:19,840
December 31st of 2025. And you know,
>> talking with finance, it's always scary

1430
01:54:18,480 --> 01:54:23,599
when we give you a number because you
think that that number, you know, is the

1431
01:54:21,679 --> 01:54:28,320
number it'll be next month and things eb
and flow and change because we're we run

1432
01:54:26,159 --> 01:54:33,199
uh with a city usually run 60 to 90 days
in the rears. So, you're still cleaning

1433
01:54:30,639 --> 01:54:38,239
up and and the way our books have been
since I started here, we're still even

1434
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:41,760
um changing things from the previous the
fiscal year that's still open. So, not

1435
01:54:40,159 --> 01:54:44,480
so much in 25, but in the other years
for sure.

1436
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:47,599
» That's scary.
>> Does anybody want one? I If you don't

1437
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:49,840
have one, I get it.
>> Tell me.

1438
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:52,320
» Well, it's on it's it's on page two if
you guys open up the administrator

1439
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:56,080
report.
>> See it?

1440
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:59,920
» Okay. All right. Any other questions for
Lisa? All right. All right, we're going

1441
01:54:57,440 --> 01:55:06,719
to move on to reports for mayor counsel.
Um, I had something for this. Uh, each

1442
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:12,159
council member has and mayor has served
on u different boards in the area. And

1443
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:15,840
so I guess I'm just asking council if
you want to email me later or tell me

1444
01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:18,800
now. Are there any boards that you'd
like to try out something different? Do

1445
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:24,400
you want to shake things up? Do you want
to keep uh consistent with what you've

1446
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:27,760
been on?
>> I'm fine where I am. I'm cool being in

1447
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:32,800
Campio.
>> Okay, Matt, any thoughts?

1448
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:38,719
» Um,
I I have a term on urban renewal that I

1449
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:46,159
think I have another three years ahead.
>> So, I like I like being part of that.

1450
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:50,639
And uh as far as the uh AARBs,
um I I I' I'd like to continue on Harb.

1451
01:55:50,320 --> 01:55:54,080
So,
>> Sure. And knock on wood, it'll be into

1452
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:57,599
life here.
That's what we're hoping.

1453
01:55:55,920 --> 01:56:02,159
» All right. Very good.
>> Mayor, the only other one that wouldn't

1454
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:06,000
uh maybe Councilman Ericen doesn't know
about would be the airport board that

1455
01:56:04,239 --> 01:56:08,639
» I was going to discuss that with him.
>> I'm happy to pick up where Sandy left

1456
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:12,400
off.
>> Well, and I had another option to throw

1457
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:15,760
at you. So, I figured is is that
something I can do offline?

1458
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:16,719
» You can talk to them about boards
offline.

1459
01:56:16,239 --> 01:56:19,360
» Okay. Thank you.
>> I just didn't we didn't talk about that

1460
01:56:18,159 --> 01:56:23,360
one as specific. So,
>> that's true. That is true. All right.

1461
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:26,800
Very good. Um, so are there any requests
for future agenda items by council at

1462
01:56:25,119 --> 01:56:32,320
this moment? Ed?
>> Yeah. Um, I don't know if I brought this

1463
01:56:28,719 --> 01:56:38,480
up before, but I've noticed that um,
Commissioner Matari uses the uh, I keep

1464
01:56:37,199 --> 01:56:44,719
calling it the courthouse, the county
building for uh, to have his community

1465
01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:49,599
or town hall meetings. and I' I'd like
to put it on for future discussion is

1466
01:56:47,119 --> 01:56:54,400
the ability to possibly use this room uh
for community meetings.

1467
01:56:51,440 --> 01:57:00,320
» I'm having one at the library
uh next week, I guess it is. And I I I

1468
01:56:57,520 --> 01:57:04,800
I'm trying to understand why it seems
the commissioner can use the county

1469
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:08,719
building there. Um, I don't know what
the logistics or dynamics of whatever of

1470
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:14,880
it are, but I I I think this would serve
as a much more professional centralized

1471
01:57:11,599 --> 01:57:18,560
location for people. Um, you know, close
everything up, you know, if we have to

1472
01:57:17,119 --> 01:57:22,800
alarm something. I can't see how
difficult it could be, but I I'd like to

1473
01:57:20,239 --> 01:57:25,119
have that for a future discussion.
>> Okay, we put that on the agenda in the

1474
01:57:24,719 --> 01:57:31,679
future.
>> So, for clarification, it would be um a

1475
01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:34,719
discussion regarding any elected than
utilizing space for town hall. Not just

1476
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:36,880
youth, but
>> no, anybody. Yeah,

1477
01:57:35,679 --> 01:57:40,400
» it would be anybody.
>> Well, any elected.

1478
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:45,360
» Well, they could they could restrain it
to elected, but yes, let's be real clear

1479
01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:49,760
on what the action item is or what the
discussion item is.

1480
01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:54,159
» Any Hayden elected
using chambers for

1481
01:57:52,639 --> 01:57:58,800
» but I don't know that it can then be
restricted to

1482
01:57:56,639 --> 01:58:01,920
uh just electeds. It might have to be
appointed. It might have to be

1483
01:58:00,159 --> 01:58:05,440
commission members. This is a bigger
issue and just because it's being done

1484
01:58:03,280 --> 01:58:07,920
at the county doesn't mean it's correct.
>> Well, I'm not that's why we need to have

1485
01:58:07,199 --> 01:58:10,639
the discussion.
>> Yeah, you could open up a can of worms.

1486
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:14,400
You don't mean to accidentally.
>> Well, I just we'll have that discussion.

1487
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:18,400
I guess it's just the time to have it.
>> But to the extent that you're asking me

1488
01:58:16,159 --> 01:58:22,000
to provide a legal opinion regarding
whether or not it's appropriate for

1489
01:58:20,159 --> 01:58:26,000
electeds to use the public space for
private town hall meetings, that is

1490
01:58:24,159 --> 01:58:30,000
privileged information. that is not
appropriate for a public discussion

1491
01:58:27,679 --> 01:58:34,880
unless the council takes a vote to
release that privileged analysis to the

1492
01:58:32,320 --> 01:58:39,280
public. So this is a bigger issue than
just having a conversation about it.

1493
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:44,719
» You lost me. I'll be honest.
>> Do you want do you want sack to produce

1494
01:58:41,040 --> 01:58:49,760
an opinion on the use of a public space
city hall for private use by electeds?

1495
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:54,560
That would be to be given to you as a
privileged community. I think that's

1496
01:58:52,719 --> 01:59:01,360
maybe more or less where we should start
than having a conversation where it's

1497
01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:04,239
» what is the privileged communication
that we're talking about?

1498
01:59:02,239 --> 01:59:08,239
» Any legal opinion I provide to you is a
privileged between you. Yeah.

1499
01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:10,719
» Not not what I might discuss in my
community meeting. Think about what

1500
01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:13,199
you're discussing.
>> Okay. Yeah.

1501
01:59:11,280 --> 01:59:16,880
» So, if you're asking for a legal opinion
on the appropriateness of the use of

1502
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:18,960
this space, that would be a privileged
communication.

1503
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:22,960
» Would that be like an executive session
thing

1504
01:59:19,679 --> 01:59:28,000
» to you? You could review it. It would be
in writing, but you can't disclose that

1505
01:59:25,599 --> 01:59:32,400
to the public without a vote of counsel.
Attorney client privileged

1506
01:59:29,440 --> 01:59:37,440
communications are held by law by the
client. You are all the client. Okay.

1507
01:59:35,199 --> 01:59:42,080
» So, it requires all of you to take a
vote then whether or not you're going to

1508
01:59:39,520 --> 01:59:44,880
discuss that opinion in public.
>> Wow. Okay.

1509
01:59:43,599 --> 01:59:48,239
» Yeah, that's fine.
>> Does that sound reasonable, council?

1510
01:59:46,400 --> 01:59:52,159
» Yeah, let's do that as soon as possible.
>> Yeah.

1511
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:58,239
» Okay. Yeah.
Are there any details that council would

1512
01:59:55,679 --> 02:00:01,520
appreciate uh legal counsel providing
upfront in that analysis?

1513
02:00:00,239 --> 02:00:05,599
» You're you're going to get a written
legal opinion from

1514
02:00:04,080 --> 02:00:10,880
» something tells me.
>> Okay. All right. Fair enough.

1515
02:00:07,520 --> 02:00:16,320
» Because what it has to outline is the
obligation by the city entirely then of

1516
02:00:14,239 --> 02:00:21,679
if you were to go in one direction or
the other, who would be entitled to have

1517
02:00:19,199 --> 02:00:26,239
the same level of access? Okay. All
right. Thank you. Are there any other

1518
02:00:24,080 --> 02:00:30,639
requests for future agenda items?
>> Yeah, I Mr. Mayor, I'm going to

1519
02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:36,239
pontificate a little bit here. I did
briefly broach Lisa about this right

1520
02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:40,960
before tonight's meeting, but I've heard
a couple questions that make me think

1521
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:46,400
that maybe this is an important thing.
The city spends money doing studies.

1522
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:51,440
This city spends money with engineering
firms supporting the work that the city

1523
02:00:48,639 --> 02:00:57,599
does. And
those efforts coincide with obligations

1524
02:00:55,679 --> 02:01:03,520
the city has in terms of like a
five-year master plan on this or a

1525
02:01:01,040 --> 02:01:09,199
20-year master plan on that. I heard you
bring up the sewer master plan and I

1526
02:01:07,199 --> 02:01:14,719
think back on my private industry
experience where we were endeavoring to

1527
02:01:12,080 --> 02:01:19,199
go into a large scale pro multi-million
dollar project and the project manager

1528
02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:25,679
will put together what's called a Gant
chart which shows all the dependencies

1529
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:30,560
and I'm wondering if the council feels
it would be important so that we have

1530
02:01:27,760 --> 02:01:35,760
the big picture of what of what is
happening and where we are in the

1531
02:01:32,320 --> 02:01:41,280
timeline of like seeing a large Gant
chart of all these different studies

1532
02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:46,320
that we do, how the money that the city
is being spent, where it goes to support

1533
02:01:44,719 --> 02:01:51,840
what
master plan so that we have a we can at

1534
02:01:49,440 --> 02:02:00,800
least we're we're better equipped in
terms of knowledge for responding to um

1535
02:01:56,480 --> 02:02:05,040
uh constituent questions. Uh, and does
does anybody else feel like that's

1536
02:02:02,800 --> 02:02:09,840
something that would help our do our
jobs better up here in the DAS?

1537
02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:13,599
» Did I explain myself?
>> Life cycle. You want the life cycle of

1538
02:02:11,520 --> 02:02:18,560
the planning efforts when the last one
was approved and when the next one would

1539
02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:23,360
be slated in what year to be reviewed?
>> Yeah. Well, not only that, but the city

1540
02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:29,599
spends a substantial amount of money to
a couple different engineering firms

1541
02:02:26,480 --> 02:02:33,920
in support of the work that it does as
well as we spend a fair amount of money

1542
02:02:32,080 --> 02:02:39,280
on studies.
I sometimes I get lost in the weeds

1543
02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:43,920
seeing where the how that money is spent
and where it provides fruit down the

1544
02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:48,159
road.
>> So, just some sort of like infographic.

1545
02:02:46,639 --> 02:02:50,960
Yeah,
I don't want

1546
02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:53,360
» I have is right now just thinking it out
is you'd almost have to do it by fund.

1547
02:02:52,800 --> 02:02:57,280
» You what?
>> By fund

1548
02:02:54,880 --> 02:03:01,760
» because each fund that we pay for these
out of has um

1549
02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:05,119
» is this too complicated a thing to ask
for?

1550
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:09,119
Well, I think it's worth having a
conversation offline about ways that I

1551
02:03:07,440 --> 02:03:13,840
can support what you're looking for. And
if you feel in that learning opportunity

1552
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:16,880
that it would be good to share with not
only the other council members but also

1553
02:03:15,760 --> 02:03:17,840
the public, we can have that
conversation.

1554
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:20,800
» Okay.
>> I I think the other thing that would be

1555
02:03:19,040 --> 02:03:27,440
fruitful out of that conversation,
thinking of new council members, is is

1556
02:03:24,639 --> 02:03:32,320
what plans are they inheriting that are
already adopted as a new council member?

1557
02:03:30,159 --> 02:03:36,560
And and are those plans are they going
to have any say I'm looking at council

1558
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:40,239
member Ericson at this point having any
say in the redevelopment or updating of

1559
02:03:38,639 --> 02:03:44,480
any of those plans while they're here or
are they stuck with them?

1560
02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:45,920
» Because I think that's really also what
you're looking at.

1561
02:03:45,199 --> 02:03:50,080
» Yep.
>> Yep.

1562
02:03:47,119 --> 02:03:55,040
I don't I don't I don't know if this is
in particular what you're talking about

1563
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:58,639
specifically, but it sounds like,
you know, we have certain things that

1564
02:03:57,040 --> 02:04:03,840
come up and we say, "Okay, we need to do
a study on it and an individ like an

1565
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:07,679
individual topic that might not be
related to a sewer plan or this or that

1566
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:14,960
plan." And we have one of those coming
up uh type situations. And when we have

1567
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:21,920
those and I know that in particular
there are some who rail why you why are

1568
02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:27,199
you doing that you know and and I don't
know whether uh you know that can be is

1569
02:04:25,599 --> 02:04:30,960
part of where you're going you know why
why are we doing these you know not

1570
02:04:29,199 --> 02:04:36,560
specifically related to the sewer or to
this or to that but in particular this

1571
02:04:33,520 --> 02:04:41,440
law enforcement we have a RFP or
whatever out you know some people don't

1572
02:04:39,119 --> 02:04:45,840
want us to do
you know, how do how do you explain it?

1573
02:04:43,440 --> 02:04:48,159
And you know, in your Gant chart, you
talk about including

1574
02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:52,880
» but the only thing I worry about a Gant
chart is that it's it's going to be

1575
02:04:49,599 --> 02:04:56,480
specific to a funding source when we
have what 14 funds or something like

1576
02:04:55,920 --> 02:04:59,840
that. So,
>> and some of these and these studies are

1577
02:04:58,159 --> 02:05:03,840
paid for out of a variety of different
funds. So, it's not like general fund

1578
02:05:01,679 --> 02:05:07,280
dollars all the time to pay for a study.
Most of the time it's not. Case in

1579
02:05:05,360 --> 02:05:12,000
point, the approval tonight to submit
the grant application and the funding

1580
02:05:09,679 --> 02:05:16,080
support for the Honeysuckle Beach comes
out of a different fund and that memo is

1581
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:19,760
supposed to give you guys clarity about
where those funds are coming from so

1582
02:05:17,520 --> 02:05:25,840
that you can track those in in reverse.
Now, that said, I'm not saying that we

1583
02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:29,119
can do a summary level by fund of active
contracts like like you're not going to

1584
02:05:27,760 --> 02:05:32,880
make me go back or you don't want me
necessarily to go back and pull up the

1585
02:05:30,800 --> 02:05:36,960
contracts that we completed last year.
So that' be like the HURA expansion.

1586
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:42,880
That one's done. And unless I'm hearing
otherwise, we would just look at active

1587
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:46,960
ones based on fund.
>> I'm content if it's okay with the rest

1588
02:05:44,960 --> 02:05:51,119
of the council that I meet with you one
on- one to see if this is even feasible

1589
02:05:49,280 --> 02:05:56,880
or not because the first thing I don't
want to add a burden to the staff

1590
02:05:53,679 --> 02:06:00,239
already. But it I'm I'd like to explore
the idea of whether or not we could see

1591
02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:03,040
sort of a big picture of
>> I think it's a it's a good exercise. I

1592
02:06:01,840 --> 02:06:06,400
don't have any problems doing it. It
would take some time.

1593
02:06:03,840 --> 02:06:08,960
» Is that all right with you guys?
>> Yeah.

1594
02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:12,880
» So, Tom, there's two things I thought
of. One,

1595
02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:18,400
having something for each of the major
projects like law enforcement or sewer

1596
02:06:15,360 --> 02:06:23,440
upgrades or whatever is good. The flip
side of that is I think we could

1597
02:06:21,119 --> 02:06:27,520
accidentally go crazy with our demands
on staff for the dialing in the correct

1598
02:06:25,440 --> 02:06:31,760
level of detail because as a guy that's
worked a lot of Gant charts,

1599
02:06:29,440 --> 02:06:35,360
» you can get crazy. I I don't know that
necessarily by fun, but more by what are

1600
02:06:33,840 --> 02:06:38,560
we trying to accomplish and then just
tying the different funds in. But even

1601
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:41,440
that again could drive you guys crazy
trying to be like

1602
02:06:40,079 --> 02:06:42,800
» use a Gant chart just because of the
level of confusion that can come with

1603
02:06:42,560 --> 02:06:47,040
that.
>> I'm amazed that you all are dwelling on

1604
02:06:44,560 --> 02:06:49,280
the phrase Gant chart. So I just brought
that up as an example.

1605
02:06:48,239 --> 02:06:52,000
» I don't know if you know this, but I
worked for an engineering firm for 10

1606
02:06:50,560 --> 02:06:55,040
years, so I know what they are. But my
point is is I think we can give some

1607
02:06:53,360 --> 02:07:00,159
summary level information relative to
our larger grant or larger contracts for

1608
02:06:58,639 --> 02:07:05,760
larger projects if you're interested.
and I'm a certified PMP, so I get nerd

1609
02:07:03,360 --> 02:07:10,719
out on you on Gant charts.
>> Little did you know.

1610
02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:15,599
» All right, we're gonna move on. Uh, our
next agenda item is an executive session

1611
02:07:12,880 --> 02:07:19,719
and move uh into executive session uh
supporting Idaho code 742061F.

1612
02:07:19,760 --> 02:07:25,599
And we need a motion to go into
executive session.

1613
02:07:23,599 --> 02:07:30,920
I make a motion that we go into
executive session based on IDO code

1614
02:07:27,920 --> 02:07:30,920
74-2061.

1615
02:07:31,040 --> 02:07:35,119
» Second.
>> Motion a second. And may we get a roll

1616
02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:36,880
call vote, please?
>> Council member Erikson.

1617
02:07:36,560 --> 02:07:38,320
» Yes.
>> Council member Schaefer.

1618
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:39,679
» Yes.
>> Council member Rotor.

1619
02:07:39,440 --> 02:07:43,040
» Yes.
>> Council President uh Depri.

1620
02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:47,440
» Yes.
>> Okay. To the public, uh, safe drive home

1621
02:07:45,440 --> 02:07:51,840
while we go into executive session. And
let's, uh, take a fivem minute break.

1622
02:07:49,840 --> 02:07:56,840
» We do have one action item. public
action item after executives.

1623
02:07:53,440 --> 02:07:56,840
» Yes, we do.