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>>> a very good morning to you all I would like to call this

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meeting to order. Thank you all so much for be

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-- >> will you please call the

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roll? >> commissioner ingalsbe here, commissioner cohen here, commissioner hammer here,

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commissioner smith, here, judge becerra here.

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>> those in the audience who have submitted public participation witness form will have three minutes to speak,

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unfortunately no court member will be able to respond as your comments will be taken as rhetorical. Please remain

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respectful and in the spirit of respect please silence your cell phones, one of you may forget so if you're holding a phone help

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us out and silence your cell phone, just double check.

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measure twice, cut once. First person signed up to speak is name ] you will have three minutes, sir.

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>> test, test. Hello judge becerra and commissioners I am

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name ] the chair of the hays county democratic party. Here to inform you about some possible changes to the march primary

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election, the march primary election. These changes have

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been initiated by the local republican party, the local democrat party stands in opposition to these changes .

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the republican party has decided not to contract with county elections to run a joint primary with the democrats. Under state

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law the option is available to them. If they go through this

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there will be many changes to the normal processes . Early

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voting processes will stay the same however election day procedures will dramatic change. Each party will have separate

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locations election judges and poll workers, republicans will

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use paper ballots and democrats will use electronic voting machines. This means republicans must manually count their votes,

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a process that will structurally result in more errors, in addition republicans have a 24-hour deadline to manually

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count thousands of votes, the county must occur at each

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respective polling location, republicans will need additional space in every polling location so they can manually count

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ballots, this complicates the choice of polling locations.

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voting centers will be no more instead on election day individuals will have to go to precinct to vote, I reiterated

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hays county democratic party is a post the primary election changes. We will continue to meet with the revoking party to

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work out a resolution, thank you. >> thank you come I hope people understood what you said because

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it was very clear to those of us that understnd what'sgoing

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on. Our next speaker is mr. John leonard.

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>> I would like to say good morning judge and commissioners

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but I can't because it is not a good morning. Let me tell you

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the story. A long time ago in a galaxy far far away hays county

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democrats, republicans and the county shook hands and agreed to hold a joint primary election, administered by the county

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elections office. The advantage cost savings and added

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convenience for voters since the agreement establish countywide

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vote centers allowing voters to cast ballots at any polling place in the county and of course for the party of their

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choice. It has been a good system we saw voter turnout rise in the years without a presidential gubernatorial or

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senate race. A joint primary let's voters enjoy the pre-convenience of voting at any location that works best for

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them and in a county like hays county with some of the people who work and study in neighboring counties and face

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I-35 traffic this is important but the republican party decided to pull the plug on vote centers and turn the clock back to

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precinct-based voting this means voters can only vote at one location that serves their precinct. Whether or not it fits

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into their schedule or obligations. Tell that to a busy young parent . Trice when that to a texas state university

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student who for years voted at the lbj student center. A

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republican plan would end that, lbj would serve only students from one precinct. The rest are on their own and they won't be

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calling hays county republican party to complain about voter suppression. They will be calling you. Here is where it

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really gets crazy, republicans stiff arm the county when it

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came to polling places. We will find our own we don't need you

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and then they came to the door the democratic door expecting to use our polling places on election day but there are a

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couple of problems first hays county democrats have election contract with hays county it does not include hays county

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republicans. Even if we want to say yes to the republicans we cannot unilaterally author the terms of the contract nor can

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the county and frankly we don't believe the hays county democrat party should be hosting the republican primary. Like the

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democrats the republicans had every opportunity to act

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responsibly for the march primary but they chose not to

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and in doing that their failing their voters, the democratic party leaders had acted in a similar way I can promise you

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they would not be our leaders today thank you. >> thank you mr. Leonard. Next up,

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>> good morning commissioners my name is

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agenda item 12 discussion and possible action regarding

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removal of unauthorized publications or new stance from the hays county courthouse I am paraphrasing a bit. Some of you

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might know I work with the caldwell hayes examiner. I have worked here a bit over one year and we often say that we aim to

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stand on the shoulders of our forebears like the hays county guardian underground newspaper that ran in the 80s and 90s in

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the county and another underground paper that ran

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during the height of the movement locally in the 60s and 70s. As people working in the trenches of the current movement

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we are in, we aim to uplift stories of resident's

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experiencing injustice and also uplift local history of marginalized communities that many people do not know about while some of the best parties have been centered around

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discussing local history of marginalized communities and we have seen a clear appetite and interest from supporters we also

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know a lot of people do not like to talk about the uncomfortable not always pretty history of the region that shows injustice

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faced by people of color. The term is called whitewashing however, one entity that understands the importance of

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uplifting the history of marginalized communities is the

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council for the indigenous community. We were so happy and proud to drop off and share copies of stories uplifting

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local history when they asked as part of their exhibit. Obviously I would like to continue sharing our papers with them and not

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have big government interfere with the right to share local journalism with them so I hope you don't take that away

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especially during a time where freedom of speech is being

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suppressed and punished. I also want to talk about how wildly inappropriate it feels this is even on the agenda at all surely

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there are more pressing issues that the highest governing body could and should be focusing on. I cannot imagine that having a

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newspaper is disrupting anyone's job or important work that needs to be done in the building. I think this is

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theatrical, ridiculous and I ask that you get back to the important work that the county elected you to do, thank you.

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>> thank you and final speaker in person is miss amy kemp.

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>> good morning judge becerra, county commissioners. I am a

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resident of san marcos. Like sam I am here to comment on item 12

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on the miscellaneous agenda regarding the possible removal of unauthorized publications for new stance from the courthouse

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grounds. I think we all understand this is about the examiner newsstand downstairs as part of an exhibit organized by

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the council for the indigenous community. First of all I want

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to say I cannot believe this is an agenda item I assume it's

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legally valid to play something of this nature on the agenda but what a waste of the government's time and resources

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and people in this county are in desperate need of services, some of which can be provided by the court by focusing on those needs

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instead of engaging in this ridiculous clinical theater. If commissioner smith is convinced the examiner newsstand is not

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authorized to be downstairs why not as the council to remove it before doing this and dragging fellow members of the court into

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a discussion and possible vote about it. I want to note for the public record that the timing of this agenda item is interesting

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to say the least. I have contributed to the examiner in

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the past as a freelancer and I have helped put on events with the examiner in a volunteer capacity but I'm not an

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employee and I do not make editorial decisions for the paper and I don't always agree with those editorial decisions.

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people can disagree right? However I have felt the effects

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after the examiner published some reporting focused on local politics in the recent months. Attacks on the examiner and

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people such as myself will have an association with it have been exhausting and distracting to be clear until now I've not felt

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any of the attacks were coming from anyone on this dais and I do respect this court and the hard work you do and I

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appreciate it. It will save regardless of where the attacks are coming from there clearly designed to silence the examiner

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and people associated with the examiner. Maybe in this instance it will work at a majority of you will vote to remove the

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newsstand from the exhibit at the greater project of trying to silence dissent and criticism in this community is destined to

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fail thank you. >> thank you very much. We have

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any written at this juncture of court? That concludes public

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comments and all those that have signed up for an agenda item when we open the agenda item is when we will call your name. I

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want to make sure those who signed up are okay with that, usually I would have someone protest I have to go to work.

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there is one now.

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is customary to move around agenda items based on the interest of the community because they always try to be as

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evenhanded and predictable as possible. The way I see it it is

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my duty to be as predictable and evenhanded as possible. Now we will go please open f1. >> presentation by tucker

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ferguson austin district engineer for the texas department of transportation.

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>> good morning judge and commissioners thank you for having me here today my name is tucker ferguson the district

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engineer and have been here several times over the years to talk about the program that we partner with hays county and

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proud of the efforts and partnership we have at one of the pleasures I do receive of doing this job is recognizing

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those individuals who have put a lifetime of dedication and

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transportation initiatives helping the communities grow and I'm here to do that today recognizing someone . We have

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had a partnership with many many years and announced the award of the highest tribute that a citizen can get, a non-txdot

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employee to give them time and energy and vision of a champion to transportation projects across texas and this region and

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it is the road hand award and I'm here to present this to commissioner , commissioner ingalsbe.

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because tucker has to be back. >> we will break ground on another project in about one hour. I've got three pages of

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notes to go over and I'm not going to read all of this. Just the highlights and just looking over some of the compass mints

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and initiatives taken over the last several years since she joined the core in 1997 spearheading 148 million pastor

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finance program, 2008 bond program $59 million, the txdot

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hays county partnership in 2013. $131 million road bond program

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nearing completion with over 50 projects. The latest $440

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million road bond program and some of the projects you have touched, I haven't 35, kyle crossing, fm 1626, 110,

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arrington road, weber boulevard, fm 2001, 621, state highway 80,

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sh 21, fm 1966, 967, I could go on and on and on. A state road

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we have touched and had a large part in, but I want to focus on

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in 2022 commissioner ingalsbe joined the capital area

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metropolitan planning organization which I am a member of and we worked side-by-side on some very difficult topics and

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you can imagine that board has a diverse membership with 21 board members and it is a great challenge to have because we are

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looking at the growth across the region the six county region and we have been very pleased to work alongside the commissioner

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because you always have a very measured and logical regional

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growth attitude and it is easy to get drawn into being

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champions for your own projects and you are a champion not just for hays county but for the six county region as well and I

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really appreciate that.

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so judge at this time I would like to present the award. >> I would like to ask you do that here at the center of the

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center of local government, this is your time, your space and congratulations. Come on up. >> I would like to recognize a

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former road hand award winner , able to join us here as well.

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>> please open f2. >> presentation of october 2025

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service and retirement awards. >> okay, thank you. >> good morning commissioners

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and judge I am the employment and compensation coordinator

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with the hays county human resource office. This morning we

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are honored to recognize and celebrate employees who have reached significant milestones in their years of service with the county. We have a few here today so as you hear your name

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if you will go up to the front all right we have first jason

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martinez with commissioner precinct 4. One year of service.

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>> isaiah tiger with the sheriff's office.

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>> holder pause until the end we've got to get this moving.

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>> holly johnston with the sheriff's office, steve daily on development services, logan brock with transportation, logan

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williams were transportation,

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escobar tax assessor and collector.

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transportation. And morris alonso with personal health.

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tax office.

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the health department. And that is all. For one year of service.

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>> a sign of growth and government serving communities.

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>> with 10 years of service we have sergio gonzalez with transportation. Diana spencer with the district attorney's

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development services and that is all for 10 years of service.

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have all for 15 years.

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>> I might have missed one, james young 10 years of service with the sheriff's office. Jessica okay jessica young with

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10 years of service. >> is jessica here? Come on

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just for that you get your own picture.

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>> this was god's will. Give your own space. Star of the

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>> steve cunningham with the sheriff's office.

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and that is all. >> thank you so much everyone.

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really appreciate it. Please open j3. I'm sorry, f3.

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>> f3 adopt a proclamation recognizing november 1, 2025 as

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harvey e. Miller day of service. >> some of. >> second.

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>> please read. >> recognizing november 1, 2025 as harvey e. Miller day of service whereas the dunbar

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heritage association and miller family will observe the fifth annual harvey miller day of service saturday, november 1 harvey miller day of service saturday, november 1, 2025 as a

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day of service in honor of trailblazer civil rights hero community builder youth worker and historian harvey e. Miller

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the good-looking fella recognizing in recognition of

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his 54 years of service to the san marcus community whereas

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harvey edward miller was born november 4 was born november 4, 1929 in rocky hollow a freedom colony outside of georgetown,

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texas. The oldest of 10 children born to frank and noticed cedric

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miller accepting jesus as his lord and savior at a young age renowned as a prankster among family and friends whereas this

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exceptional citizen attended the carver school in georgetown and married his high school sweetheart on july 7, 1948 and

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they brought into this world four on july 7, 1948 and they

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brought into this world 411 daughters, krystal, chris and linda both now deceased, kathy and tricia and whereas harvey miller and his family moved to san marcus in 1966 where he had

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a distinguished career at gary job core center more than 35

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years until his retirement and arabella miller was the first

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african-american nurse at the hays county health department whereas mr. Miller helped to start a group called the bridge

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builders to improve race relations in the late 60s and to transform the old dunbar school site, the colored school into

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the park and recreation center for all children becoming its first director and whereas harvey miller initiated the

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annual juneteenth celebration commemorating the freeing of texas slaves in 19 , 1865 he helped san marcus residents

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understand and appreciate the significant contributions and legacy of black citizens in our community and across texas

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dedication wisdom and courage to speak his mind whereas this

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wonderful citizen is recognized for his support for the greater bethel baptist church as the founder of the dunbar heritage

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association recipient of the 2008 spirit of san marcus award and outstanding senior volunteer by the san marcus senior citizen

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advisory board and whereas deacon harvey miller aged 90

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went on to be with the lord on september 1 to be with the lord

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on september 1, 2020, he passed away peacefully in his san marcus home surrounded by family and friends whereas now the

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extended family and friends of harvey miller will honor his legacy and celebrate his 96th birthday with the fifth annual

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harvey miller day of service on the first saturday in november

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to one of the exceptional leader, father, grandfather and great-grandfather. Now therefore be it resolved the hays county

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commissioners court does hereby proclaim november 1, 2025 as

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harvey e. Miller day of service and call upon the citizens of hays county to recognize the contributions of this highly

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esteemed citizen and honor him by serving the community on november 1, adopted the 20th day of october, 2025.

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>> beautifully done please call the roll.

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>> I don't know if there's someone here to accept the proclamation. Wonderful. >> please approach the podium

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and state your name and title. A few motivational words.

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>> good morning commissioners and judge my name is alex

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] president of the heritage association and what would've

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been my grandfather's 96th birthday on november 4 we are

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urging the community to come out and join us , not just in the

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san marcus, but hays county and do a day of service by honoring

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my grandfather on harvey miller day of service we are partnered

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with keep san marcus beautiful and the hays county food bank so we are encouraging people to bring canned goods. We are

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starting in the dunbar neighborhood at the park at 9:00. This saturday morning. The food bank truck will be there so

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we are asking for people to come and bring canned goods so we can

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supply the truck and food bank for the upcoming holidays and we

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are encouraging people to get out in the community and do some type of service on this weekend. We will be cleaning up the

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dunbar neighborhood so everyone is welcome to come saturday at 9:00 to kick off the harvey miller day of service.

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>> beautifully done. Thank you so much. Anybody else that wants

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to be part of this picture would you like to come up for a quick picture?

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>> thank you so much. What an honor, congratulations.

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please open actually, yeah, they are not ready why do you present

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a little video and call it quits, a short video clip. They

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are running behind. >> corner of san marcos this

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area had become overgrown , literate and unsafe a public health and safety concern for the community. The judge how

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potential where other side problem partnering with gary job core he set out to restore and bring pride back to the

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neighborhood students rolled up their sleeves removing debris repenting power washing and revitalizing the landscape, the

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two turned years of neglect into renewed beauty and purpose. Today this space serves the community hosting events,

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markets and car shows a reminder of what is possible when we worked together to care for the city.

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>> that was part of representation but there were

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not ready and I want to do that for them please open f5. >> presentation by

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development regulations update project. >> all yours. >> thank you. I think we have a

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powerpoint. Do we have a clicker or just next slide? Thank you

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judge in commissioners for having us here today, want to give you an update on the process grow quick team

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introductions tell you about the overview of the project as a reminder and david will walk us through the findings of the

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report. My name is daniel harrison the project manager

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with david jones the assistant project manager in the project

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engineer here to answer questions with a couple other members of the team. We are doing this project in three

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phases, the first is wrapping up now a diagnostic report phase

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where we investigate talking to people about the subdivision

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development and the county, the key issues, phase 2 starts in

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the fall and it will conclude the end of spring and that's

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the drafting of the updated regulations in the third phase is the adoption process and there will be opportunity for

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people to comment and provide feedback just like phase 1 of

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the report. So, stakeholder engagement. We have really been

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spending may through june getting stakeholder engagement and stakeholder engagement is when we sit down and talk with

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people , the judge and commissoners and we talk with

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county development staff representatives of different cities in the county also different interested parties

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like the river authority, watershed association, the river

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foundation and other members of the community, surveyors, landowners and the purpose is to focus on what they thought key

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issues were to help identify those to put that in the report

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to come up with recommendations and we did our public engagement

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so we wanted opportunities for we had four open houses at each

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commissioner precinct, we had good turnout where we were able

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to talk with people. We had display boards where people could see the issues and leave comments so we had a lot of good

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feedback. A summary of the comments we know what is

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important to the stakeholders and the public is really strong

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desire for conservation that is conservation of groundwater,

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conservation of the natural environment. Things along those

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lines and the restricting of development enforcing impervious

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covers back to those environmental issues as growth

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and development occurs. How is that affecting current landowners, future landowners and future development pattern in the county. Also there is discussion about transparency

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and that is letting people know, the city notices and people know what's going on we want to be sure when there is development

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around in the community they know what's going on as part of

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the development process so standardized that process letting people know and then there is a strong support for

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increased revelatory instances between partner cities so we

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have some areas right outside cities called the epg where there is a partnership between counties and cities to work on

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development in those areas and that was another thing

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identified. I will let david take you to the key critical elements. >> to call back these are the

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key concepts that started to emerge out of the process of interviewing stakeholders going to the public. Water

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availability and quality controls, flood management. All things having to do with water and wastewater and we had an

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emphasis on variance and revelatory consistency streamlining some of those processes, condominium

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development came up as a recurring problem and the next

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slide we have patient for structure and roadway issues .

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interdepartment cooperation, standardizing processes and timelines, looking at development agreements and

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strategic planning and coordinating with cities and et jay's so on the next slide this is a list of the key changes

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proposed to the diagnostic reports so the report is essentially complete at this point so we have the high level

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key concepts and strategies for addressing those and we have a newly added section that has been added since we spoke to you

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last month that contains sections with recommendations for changes. Several pages of those this is to summarize the

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key most impactful changes that are proposed the document, the

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intent today is to move onto the next phase so we can begin drafting the subdivision regulations guided by the key

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changes so the first is to introduce a minor process so if

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you've got to let say mom and pop situation where you have got

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a few acres and you want to subdivide to create lots for family members not necessarily creating a subdivision with

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internal streets and putting a lot of houses on it but sub

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devising a smaller property with a few lots this would be a

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separate process where they can go through staff and get approval. Without having to go through the full approval

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process through the court, this is the process authorized by

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state law chapter 232 so essentially we are adopting

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state language for that. Number two is a submittal calendar

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authorized by state law , would not do away with the mandated

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timeline in terms of shot clock we have requirements to act within 30 days with a completed application this would allow the

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county to determine where within the month the shot clock

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actually starts so this is much better aligned processes and

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timelines with court dates time frames so everything can be

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aligned and coordinated more predictably than the current set

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up. Something state law explicitly allows you to do

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number three facilitate third-party reviews and inspections this is for the county we are not suggesting

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this for applicants so there was some legislation filed last session did not end up passing that would've allowed

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applicants to essentially pull in third-party reviewers and inspectors and the county and cities would have to accept

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those reports. This is only for the county so this is within

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state law the county can put in the fee schedule. The

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pass-through fee to pay for third-party review and inspection services so we would be proposing to add that number

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four create standards for conservation subdivision to define what that means what the different components of

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conservation subdivisions are so that could include setting aside

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land for conservation putting that in a trust or during

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transfer of development rights. Don't have that figured out yet

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but as a conservation subdivision component that came up repeatedly within the discussions with the

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commissioners court and with the public and with staff

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formalizing that process flag lots came up quite a bit that's we have a situation we have a shared driveway and a piece of

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property is taken out on the front and then you have a house in the back essentially a situation where two or more

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properties are sharing a driveway there are some concerns

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that go along with that such as visibility to first responders what happens if a property gets sold and they rely on another

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property for access so those are not unsolvable problems we are just lacking tools today to regulate those consistently so

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we would be adding those standards, next slide number six strengthen water certification process one of the rare issues

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where the state has been giving counties more and more authority

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to regulate subdivisions that are certified groundwater required certification studies. To be conducted before those

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applications can be accepted that's one of the few ways to

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stop the shot clock from starting so that would be updating language to match with what is in the state statutes

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today. Number seven getting the groundwater conservation district involved on a formal basis again this is not

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necessarily something we can use to stop a plat or subdivision

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from being approved nor do we want to do that but getting those entities involved in a defined place and time within

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the subdivision process so they can have input and we don't have to go back and redo plats or reconsider if something goes

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sideways with the groundwater conservation district. Have not worked out exactly how that's going to look at that is

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something we want to keep front of mind to address water availability issues. Limiting plat requirements for

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condominium developers. This is an area with a lot of confusion.

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won't say the source of the confusion but there's a lot of

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confusion about how exactly condominium development can be regulated. State law chapter 232 and in the property code chapter

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82 does allow for regulation of condominium subdivisions. If

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they are proposing shared infrastructure, if they are

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acting like a subdivision there's nothing within state law that says they can't be regulated like a subdivision not

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to say condominium declaration and all those private agreements

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are necessarily for the county to regulate but we will be

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looking at adding standards so there's some assurance that those shared pieces of infrastructure with fire lanes

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and streets retention ponds those have some structure to be

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maintained and do not fail over time and rear property owners,

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to the county asking for maintenance. Finally number nine strengthening developer participation requirements when

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a street needs to be upgraded we went over this last time if you recall the image of the vacant properties in the road and

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middle and then all of a sudden they are developed and the road is substandard having a more defined framework and having

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developers participate within the process to upgrade those roads that is driven by their development so that the county

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is not left having you come in and upgrade the roads from the

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general fund standpoint. They want to introduce as we go to

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the drafting process this process will take us well into

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next year. There are a few amendments we want to consider

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for expedited consideration so as we draft the larger set of

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regulations we are looking at a standalone order that could be

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adopted to address these issues more quickly so we have a few of

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those listed here. This is something we would like to get

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your feedback on in addition to the list provided. Flag lots as

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we mentioned introducing middle calendar facilitating third-party review and creating standard for conservation

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subdivision. Not to say we want to do all four of those simultaneously we could look at expediting a few and getting

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through the process and expediting a couple others while drafting the subdivision regulation process with

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interlocal agreements more at the county led effort with the

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consultant team supporting. Want to go to the next slide it real

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quick to show the schedule to put that in context. We are here in october with the white dots so the end of the diagnostic

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report phase we would be looking at starting drafting in the expedited items starting in november that would take us to

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the beginning of the year with a plan to be to have a full draft

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somewhere as we switch from winter into spring and potentially through those expedited items may be a month

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or two before that and the target date to have complete

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draft for public review possibly consider adoption as we get through spring into summer and we would be returning back to

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stakeholders to engage in them, reengage them to get feedback and to the general public with a similar effort that we had last

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month where we went to four different sites within the county and engage with the general public. With that in

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mind if you can go back one slide with that context are there any of these items that stand out as being something we

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want to consider starting right away with the drafting of the subdivision regulations? >> I will start the conversation

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by saying thank you for doing this. I have always said this I

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have a belief government should be small and nimble, lean in

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what are you working on how can I help and get out of the way. Development services can probably recite what I said

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because I tell him every time he's in my office. I am all for

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development 100% , we need more rooftops. I don't hide that

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reality. We don't want them on the recharge zone and sensitive

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spaces that are going to consume access to reloading water or

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where we don't have enough water for them. So we can't

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just shotgun the affordable housing concern because that's what we have , this is affordable housing availability

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supply and demand. So making these edits so the government is

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more noble I love the shot clock stuff because too many governments mess with people trying to make a living. I

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don't agree with all the overreach that the state is doing or the feds in many instances, but there are some

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spaces where they create policies that reach their everyone and they are micromanaging us. In these

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spaces you are touching, we deserve it as local government not hays county , but the broader the statement the

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narrower the mind, we are local government we get the brunt of

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that energy easily as well. Although we are a pro

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development proenvironment because it's not either/or , we are that kind of court. I understand the need for a shot

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clock. I know the department work hard, work tirelessly to

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get things done in a timely manner. I know the commissioners

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are about adding more rooftops to create more affordability by

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the availability ratio, but we also have a deep love

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appreciation and sensitivity to groundwater, wells , springs,

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rivers. So I know this tool is going to help us to be finer granulated with what we are doing in our beloved county

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footprint because we love it so much. So the viewing public understands it's not about being more burdensome and

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becoming I daresay I think watson is a great guy, oughts

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in. We don't want to become austin. We don't want to become

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overburdened because people don't realize this also, the more hindrance and burden and points and checkboxes and

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creations we set up as a government because we can just because you can doesn't mean you should. The more the

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developer, the homebuilder, if you will, has to go through these things and everything is going to be paid for I don't

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care if it is a tariff, I don't care if it is a tax, I don't

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care if it's another checkbox. Every time somebody providing something to a community is slowed down, made to do more of,

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needlessly we will go there with it, it's going to cost somebody

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something and that somebody can easily be an extra $100,000 on a

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house they could have built for $200,000. That's why I am very keen on and sensitive to how much government we put on people

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trying to put rooftops here because sometimes people don't make the connection and I want to thank the president of the

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hispanic contractor association that taught me that perspective

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because I'm not a homebuilder, I don't know. But I know I represent the blue-collar, the working, the struggling because

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that's what the county is made up of. When we are light to the touch and through your assessment and the things you

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are presenting we can be more affordable because we will be less burdensome. At this point in time because we credit that

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pause anything else to add? >> can we get the list pulled up again from the clerk? I know we have had conversations relative

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to this but these are five things I think I brought all

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five up in conversations as far as expedited consideration. I will say that in the conversations I have had with

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the fire marshal office, transportation and development services the availability for third-party review and submittal

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is very important and I would assume there will be an

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additional fee for that. Should anyone want to use that , that measure , but I think in the long run for the impact is going

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to have on review staff in all three departments it would be

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absolutely a positive for us. If we can get that at least, even

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if it cannot be an implementation for that specific item, by q1 of next year I think getting it as soon as possible

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and trying to educate our folks as far as when that availability would be there would be helpful. I know I pushed and former

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00:53:14,038 --> 00:53:14,038
commissioner shall pushed very hard on the conservation

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00:53:18,344 --> 00:53:18,344
subdivision title. I have made some hard commitments trying to

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get that done by january 1 of 2026 and I would really really

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00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:27,719
like to see that done. I know there are already conservation

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00:53:32,124 --> 00:53:32,124
developments in our county that would qualify for that. I have

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looked at the studies they have done and they can tell where they would score on those three that we had. I think the hardest

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one of these to do in short order, I think we could probably

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address four of the five. I think the inner locals are going to be the hardest thing to do. The 1445 agreements we have with

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every city . I have gone back and spoken to the team that

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negotiated on behalf of the county and most of the teams that negotiated on behalf of of th individual cities come I

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think that is a multi-month or that could take a year on each one of those. I don't know of these five topics come I don't

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00:54:23,042 --> 00:54:23,042
know if that is doable in short order, but I do think now that

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00:54:27,947 --> 00:54:27,947
we know we are looking at when we get the draft , being able to

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00:54:34,353 --> 00:54:36,822
sit down with those individua communities and say this is what we are looking at, we need to use that as the template because

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forgive me if I'm wrong and please correct me if I'm wrong

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00:54:44,563 --> 00:54:48,100
but if we go in and update those and we have changes before we have the final package it's going to be problematic. Because

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we may have to readdress some of those agreements so I would

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00:55:00,479 --> 00:55:03,849
rather take one bite at the apple and have formalizd rules and regulations adopted and in place and then negotiate those

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00:55:08,755 --> 00:55:08,755
agreements because I completely agree they are far outdated.

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00:55:14,093 --> 00:55:14,093
they were done in what marcus 2011? 2011 so I really think

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00:55:18,565 --> 00:55:18,565
they need to be updated at this point but I don't want to do it

445
00:55:23,736 --> 00:55:26,339
, I want to go in with everything we are doing and knowing everything we are doing in the rest of developing rules

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00:55:30,877 --> 00:55:30,877
and regulations. I do think these are all things I have

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00:55:37,183 --> 00:55:37,183
encountered in my precinct in the last 30 days. So I know if

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I'm doing it I would generally assume the rest of my colleagues are facing the same. >> commissioner hammer.

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00:55:49,195 --> 00:55:49,195
>> I would say the ila's will be a little bit challenging for

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sure. I think his approach of getting the other considerations

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00:55:59,472 --> 00:55:59,472
done first and then coming in with this is the roadmap we have

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00:56:05,612 --> 00:56:05,612
is probably the smartest move. I have woodcreek and wimberley so

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00:56:09,682 --> 00:56:11,551
those are little more challenging in terms of services the county provides so I do want to make sure they know what they

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00:56:15,789 --> 00:56:15,789
are going into. Conservation subdivisions obviously. I know

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00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:20,560
my precinct in particular , we are running out of water so they

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00:56:24,831 --> 00:56:28,135
would like to have more regulations. Even if they are not , even if they are not legal if we can do as much as we can

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00:56:34,106 --> 00:56:34,106
in our legality perspective to try to push back developments it

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00:56:42,750 --> 00:56:44,884
would be most beneficial especially for western hayes, water is a big issue for us. I think that the key concepts you

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00:56:51,258 --> 00:56:54,695
have, you are targeting around water which is probably my number one thing. Also I know I have said this, but next

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00:57:00,367 --> 00:57:00,367
community outreach or public meeting make sure it's not

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00:57:04,605 --> 00:57:07,841
during commissioners court. >> absolutely and I would recommend, I know there is benefit to have them during the

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day, especially for those who work in that world, but it is

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really hard to get true public outreach in the middle of the day. If you have to do those in the middle of the day next time

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00:57:23,924 --> 00:57:23,924
flip them, if you would and of those that were during the day

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00:57:29,062 --> 00:57:29,062
in the evening next time in those locations.

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>> I would go one step a little more aggressive. Do not have them in the middle of the day. >> I would avoid tuesdays

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altogether. >> tuesday and working hours. I

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take this seriously and I know the commissioners do. We represent working people, the very few retired who can come in

469
00:57:52,753 --> 00:57:56,023
time of the day or even be here is a gift and privilege and we don't want to overdo it. Everything for community

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00:57:58,392 --> 00:57:58,392
outreach should be after six. Please and thank you.

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commissioner cohen. >> think of the presentation and I agree, my concerns are the same , another topic I did kind

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of see is sometimes developers will offer a place of land for a

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potential school in the future. Which is great, but if the road

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00:58:24,185 --> 00:58:27,989
infrastructure does not , is not capable of sustaining the traffic that a school brings, I always want developers to look

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at that, we did something recently with a school where we negotiated that we were able to widen the stretch of road by the

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00:58:42,203 --> 00:58:42,203
school because we know what the school is going to bring. And so

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you know definitely as we start to grow more on the east side

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and potentially more schools start to come, that is considered . We working on road infrastructure plan but it is

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still going to take a while and these schools get built like that so I want to be conscious of that because that will be a

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00:59:12,534 --> 00:59:12,534
big ask, I know, from me. If it is in my precinct. Many centers

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and trails and pop-up parks are nice I really need more road

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00:59:23,545 --> 00:59:23,545
improvements. Well done, thank you so much for the information.

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>> I would also add when we are working with schools and I

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don't know if we can do, within a regulation even if we can put

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00:59:38,192 --> 00:59:38,192
recommended or requested , when we look at schools in school

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00:59:42,864 --> 00:59:42,864
districts I know over the last five years the bonds that have

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00:59:48,103 --> 00:59:50,339
passed, we have looked at additional cueing in the properties for those schools. If we can require I know we can't

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00:59:55,210 --> 00:59:55,210
require but if we can request for school certain population we

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01:00:01,683 --> 01:00:01,683
know how many cars it takes to the surface the schools given

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01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:05,920
the number of students. Asking for school sites and talking to

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isd's about having minimum sizes specific and I know in dripping isd and hayes consolidated we have done some

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01:00:19,968 --> 01:00:19,968
of this. I cannot speak to san marcus or wimberley but that has

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01:00:24,573 --> 01:00:27,108
been a major concern. >> dripping elementary especially. >> dripping elementary, walnut

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01:00:31,779 --> 01:00:31,779
springs. Purposely built those . >> commissioner ingalsbe, award

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01:00:38,319 --> 01:00:38,319
winner. >> thank you, judge. First let

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me say I fully support moving forward with what did you call it? The expedited items and I agree with my colleagues. I

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believe that most are fairly simple to implement, but I think

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they'll have a great and positive benefit and impact. So

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I was really happy to see that we want to strengthen developer

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01:01:08,618 --> 01:01:08,618
participation involvements for in construction. I agree with

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01:01:13,556 --> 01:01:17,427
commissioner cohen we see a lot of development happening in their building on substandard roads and we have to have that

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01:01:21,630 --> 01:01:21,630
participation from them. So yes I look forward to that and I

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want to mention I hold orderly meetings with the city's along

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with development services in transportation. We also have

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hayes see isd and txdot and they're very beneficial because

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01:01:40,917 --> 01:01:40,917
we talk about the development of schools and other developments

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01:01:45,655 --> 01:01:45,655
coming in. So I find that very beneficial and they understand

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01:01:49,827 --> 01:01:49,827
the importance of partnering with developers and others to

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01:01:54,931 --> 01:01:58,368
address real issues we have. Thank you. >> perfect . I would ask that please keep in mind a lot of

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01:02:06,809 --> 01:02:06,809
these people have no clue, they want to build a neighborhood, it

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01:02:11,981 --> 01:02:11,981
used to be a dream of mine to build tiny homes for communities

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01:02:16,186 --> 01:02:19,622
because I know what it's like to be broke, I know what it's like to struggle to pay the light bill. I thought if I had

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01:02:23,159 --> 01:02:23,159
such a small house I did not to put so much air conditioning or

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01:02:27,797 --> 01:02:27,797
landscape, I did not have so much overhead just to live. So I

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01:02:34,070 --> 01:02:37,374
relate to that that perspective. So people that are often trying to build something for our community have no clue,

516
01:02:40,543 --> 01:02:40,543
groundwater what is that? Forgive them for they know not

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01:02:44,781 --> 01:02:44,781
what they do they don't realize. So I would ask one tiny

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01:02:49,319 --> 01:02:49,319
little thread to be included in what you are doing and an

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01:02:53,723 --> 01:02:57,293
overlay map we can talk about, I've been telling this to commissioner shall since I first got into office. I would love a

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01:03:04,068 --> 01:03:07,470
overlay map that says this area, we would love for you to build in. This area is a little more sensitive. This area, good luck,

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01:03:12,942 --> 01:03:12,942
you will get pitchforks. This area we will even incentivize.

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01:03:21,585 --> 01:03:21,585
that would be so helpful and it would take a lot of the abuse

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01:03:28,291 --> 01:03:31,962
that the development community gets and that residents get when we better communicate we have a clear understanding. It would

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01:03:34,464 --> 01:03:34,464
not be hard to do. Create the map as a automatic economic

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01:03:39,503 --> 01:03:39,503
development tool, as automatic you develop and it everybody, a

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01:03:45,976 --> 01:03:49,679
rubber stamp map where everybody says hey guys you want to build where? I don't think so. You're not going to tear down the

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01:03:55,485 --> 01:03:58,589
vatican for example. Never going to happen but they want a hotel around the corner sure. Let's do it. Everything has different

528
01:04:03,794 --> 01:04:07,598
thresholds and sensitivities and the more we informed the outside investors I'm grateful they want to invest that broadens the

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01:04:11,101 --> 01:04:14,972
tax base and everything else. The easier it will be for everyone in the community. So I would really encourage you to

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01:04:17,941 --> 01:04:17,941
highlight and underline that request. Anything else? How

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01:04:25,049 --> 01:04:28,753
quickly can you wrap it up? >> I'm essentially done with no action requested today. Next to step would be outline and draft

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01:04:33,624 --> 01:04:33,624
regulations to see if there were any other items for discussion.

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01:04:42,667 --> 01:04:46,170
really appreciate your feedback. >> this is all recorded. If someone did not write it down. You can rewind this and it is recorded forever. Parting

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01:04:52,577 --> 01:04:54,579
thoughts? >> yes, thank you. Director of development services. I want to reiterate a couple things. We

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01:04:58,916 --> 01:05:00,819
will be publishing the finalized version of the diagnostic and all presentation materials on the county website for the

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01:05:04,521 --> 01:05:04,521
public. We also have a dedicated page for the rewrite process. I

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01:05:10,094 --> 01:05:10,094
encourage the public and citizens or anyone else wanting

538
01:05:14,131 --> 01:05:14,131
to pay attention to this matter to visit the site. You will find

539
01:05:19,436 --> 01:05:19,436
all information and resources. Opportunity to provide input and

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01:05:25,542 --> 01:05:27,144
feedback throughout the duration of the project. >> perfect, thank you very much we appreciate your time, the

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01:05:30,214 --> 01:05:33,584
work and presentation. Please open f6. >> visitation by hdr architecture regarding the

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01:05:39,224 --> 01:05:41,826
government center master plan followed by discussion and possible action. >> thank you judge becerra and

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01:05:49,733 --> 01:05:52,570
commissioners we appreciate the opportunity to present to you today the work we have been doing over the last year working

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01:05:55,606 --> 01:05:55,606
with the department and the committee for the government

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01:06:00,044 --> 01:06:00,044
center. This was updating a study done previously from

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01:06:06,784 --> 01:06:09,720
apartments that have expense growth, changes in leadership and those kinds of things since we did the last master plan.

547
01:06:15,693 --> 01:06:18,530
also to look at opportunities that might be there if the county were to develop the government center as judicial

548
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:23,000
only campus to focus on the courts .

549
01:06:32,477 --> 01:06:33,812
>> that is a good-looking picture. >> the high points today are the program summary with the phasing

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01:06:38,282 --> 01:06:38,282
plans we will present and the cost estimate. No action is

551
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:48,994
going to be requested or needed today. We will take any comments the court presents and submit final report to the county for

552
01:06:53,631 --> 01:06:53,631
consideration on any future plans. This is just an overall

553
01:06:59,438 --> 01:06:59,438
summary of all the departments in the government center. What I

554
01:07:05,243 --> 01:07:05,243
would kinda point out is if you look down, you have to kind of

555
01:07:11,182 --> 01:07:11,182
squint. I think you have a copy but the departments with zeros

556
01:07:17,389 --> 01:07:17,389
moving forward in the two years, 10 years periods those are

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01:07:23,261 --> 01:07:23,261
apartments that would move out. What we have also looked at is

558
01:07:29,100 --> 01:07:29,100
at the bottom there is a parking need. We have taken the staff

559
01:07:34,306 --> 01:07:36,274
and visitor functional requirements of these departments and projected what parking would be needed for this

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01:07:42,348 --> 01:07:42,348
campus. And jamie will show you kind of how this lays out. I

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01:07:50,922 --> 01:07:52,825
will say when the plans are presented these are just allocations of space, not floorplans, specific functional

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01:07:57,362 --> 01:07:57,362
needs would be addressed in the future as the county moves into

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01:08:03,636 --> 01:08:03,636
the specific design. Go to the next slide.

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01:08:12,144 --> 01:08:12,144
>> the slide here is showing the year 1 to 2 plan phase 1. So it

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01:08:20,486 --> 01:08:20,486
is a colorized plan and the legend you can see are all the

566
01:08:25,891 --> 01:08:28,861
departments that will either grow into adjacent available space at this time or move within the building so the three

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01:08:33,933 --> 01:08:37,470
departments shown blocked in redwood relocating the building, the most notable is moving justice of the peace to level

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01:08:41,674 --> 01:08:41,674
one what is currently used as a conference center and purchasing

569
01:08:50,150 --> 01:08:52,385
department area. Something else key to this phase is the da being able to move into available space. Made available

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01:08:56,990 --> 01:08:59,592
from departments moving out of the government center that are not judicial departments. So, year 10, this is when the

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01:09:09,969 --> 01:09:09,969
expansion to the building is proposed to occur. So with this

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01:09:14,540 --> 01:09:14,540
expansion we have three levels, shell level three, four

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01:09:22,615 --> 01:09:25,452
additional courtrooms able to be added at this time and county clerk to move to the new permanent location on level one.

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01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:30,390
when they move that makes level two current space available for

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other departments to move into as needed. Looking ahead at the

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01:09:41,968 --> 01:09:41,968
year 20, phase 3 , you can see here the space on level three

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01:09:50,677 --> 01:09:52,544
filling out four additional courtrooms and the previous county clerk space being able to provide long-term ample space

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01:09:59,152 --> 01:09:59,152
for the constable department indigent defense and drug

579
01:10:04,824 --> 01:10:04,824
testing office for judicial services.

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01:10:12,900 --> 01:10:16,169
this is a concept site plan where you can see massing for the building extension and proposed parking garage that

581
01:10:19,706 --> 01:10:19,706
would serve all of the additional parking needs brought

582
01:10:24,478 --> 01:10:28,215
on from expansion and growth to the building as well as a surfaced parking lot proposed at the one to your face that would

583
01:10:34,553 --> 01:10:34,553
help relieve current parking needs we have had discussions

584
01:10:38,792 --> 01:10:38,792
about parking, we understand it can be a real challenge so that

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is sort of key to what we are seeing here. >> while on that scene I want to speak and I know it's

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01:10:53,974 --> 01:10:56,343
documented because you guys did a great job capturing what each chod members vision was and how we can support our elected

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01:10:59,379 --> 01:11:03,117
officials. I am always thinking I'm just the workers, elected official and department heads are the real know it all's so

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01:11:07,221 --> 01:11:11,024
tell me what you need so I can help you. So my hope is and I'm glad for this shot. My hope is we don't expand outside of what

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01:11:16,463 --> 01:11:16,463
you show because it is a flood prone space from the beginning

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01:11:22,502 --> 01:11:22,502
when we started turning dirt I was against the idea public

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01:11:31,846 --> 01:11:31,846
safety being there. We did it found a way around it, elevated

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01:11:36,016 --> 01:11:38,753
three feet worth of dirt for the footprint. A lot of extra work goes into that solution. We have a lot of other spaces that would

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01:11:41,422 --> 01:11:45,092
if it greatly so I will publicly say no my hope is we do not expand in this space further with what the image shows and my

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01:11:50,164 --> 01:11:50,164
additional hope is the day comes where we take the office of

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01:11:55,236 --> 01:11:57,971
emergency services and other emergency communications taking place out of that footprint specifically because of

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01:12:02,744 --> 01:12:02,744
proximity to other emergency spaces and the train tracks and

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01:12:08,283 --> 01:12:08,283
everything else. So my hope is that you guys put this in the

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far back shelf that yes the office of emergency services and

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01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:19,360
the communication piece should be removed for public safety and

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01:12:28,703 --> 01:12:28,703
strategic reasons that I can go into detail later and out of the

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01:12:34,475 --> 01:12:36,611
area. I know mike jones emergency services director agrees. I hoped commissioner ingalsbe and commissioner cohen

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01:12:43,618 --> 01:12:46,087
had space in the east campus project which is an amazing project but when I heard the footprint available I was like

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that's not going to work. It's a great location but not the right dedication of space. I still remain committed to the

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01:13:00,001 --> 01:13:00,001
relocation of those spaces because our community deserves

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01:13:04,473 --> 01:13:04,473
layered safety that we are currently not maximizing. I

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01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:09,110
wanted to capture that moment with that picture.

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>> so as identified here this is the three-phase plan, there are

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things that need to be addressed in the next 1 to 2 years. And

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then the tenure planned is the anticipated time additional courtrooms will come on board and 20 year is the ongoing

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01:13:35,970 --> 01:13:35,970
grwth of those departments. The initial plan , we divided the

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01:13:42,344 --> 01:13:42,344
building and facility construction separated from the

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01:13:46,748 --> 01:13:46,748
parking improvements in the initial phase a little over $2

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01:13:52,787 --> 01:13:55,958
million for the renovation primarily extending the sally port with some interior renovation. The surface parking

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01:13:59,895 --> 01:13:59,895
lot is about $1 million so the total phase is about almost $3.1

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01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:07,669
million. The 10 year phase , the biggest component is the parking

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garage and how to implement that. The actual court expansion

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01:14:22,851 --> 01:14:22,851
and the additional interior renovation for the department

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01:14:26,955 --> 01:14:26,955
expansion is a little shy of $32 million . The parking garage the

619
01:14:36,865 --> 01:14:36,865
full buildout is if you do it at the tenure phase it's 49

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01:14:44,073 --> 01:14:44,073
million. We did present at the county wanted to break it out

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and move it up with a cost savings avoiding cost escalation it would be about $5 million less expensive from what we

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01:14:58,486 --> 01:14:58,486
estimate if you can move it up to the five-year window. That is

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a strategic decision based on the needs . The 20 year primarily a finish of interior space is not adding to the

624
01:15:13,569 --> 01:15:13,569
footprint is seen as $12.5 million project. We are

625
01:15:18,507 --> 01:15:18,507
projecting way out into the future on these so this is the

626
01:15:23,546 --> 01:15:23,546
best we can do on escalation. So I think that's pretty much it.

627
01:15:33,456 --> 01:15:33,456
I can answer any questions. >> judge I would say can go back

628
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:41,030
one slide? The one two-year plan I am hoping and I think we have

629
01:15:48,305 --> 01:15:48,305
may be identified that as a project about $3 million years

630
01:15:53,443 --> 01:15:53,443
one and two so at some point we will be discussing that but I

631
01:15:58,882 --> 01:16:01,785
think that will have great benefit as we start moving administrative staff out of the government center and also judge

632
01:16:06,423 --> 01:16:06,423
I appreciate the comments you made about public safety and

633
01:16:10,827 --> 01:16:10,827
that department. We continue to search and apply for grants to

634
01:16:21,371 --> 01:16:21,371
address the drainage issue we have in that area. I will also

635
01:16:25,842 --> 01:16:25,842
say the carson's have been participating and very generous.

636
01:16:36,119 --> 01:16:38,354
during discussions that commissioner shall and I had with them they were willing to give a big portion of the empty

637
01:16:41,224 --> 01:16:41,224
space in front of our parking to address the drainage issue. So

638
01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:49,199
we will continue to work with them and others to see if we

639
01:16:53,537 --> 01:16:53,537
can't address that in a big way it is a big project. We will

640
01:16:58,107 --> 01:17:01,978
continue to search for money and availability to address. >> thank you, commissioner cohen.

641
01:17:05,681 --> 01:17:05,681
>> thank you for the presentation. Concerns about the

642
01:17:09,986 --> 01:17:09,986
floodplain , that' always a concern and I understand the

643
01:17:15,125 --> 01:17:15,125
judge's concern in that regard. As it starts moving forward we

644
01:17:22,066 --> 01:17:22,066
make sure we are thinking about that. So there is an underground

645
01:17:28,972 --> 01:17:28,972
level to level one with those coming to court?

646
01:17:35,712 --> 01:17:35,712
>> where we bring? It is not. There is no under.

647
01:17:42,119 --> 01:17:42,119
>> okay so that space is also being looked at?

648
01:17:46,656 --> 01:17:46,656
>> it was. >> that was part of why the jp

649
01:17:51,194 --> 01:17:54,831
removal was in the county court law because of access. >> okay gotcha. >> what commissioner ingalsbe

650
01:18:01,705 --> 01:18:01,705
mentioned. We want to start working on these improvements,

651
01:18:07,211 --> 01:18:07,211
we understand the need. Security concerns we have, we all need to

652
01:18:15,886 --> 01:18:17,421
address those things, thank you so much. >> thank you, commissioner hammer.

653
01:18:23,260 --> 01:18:25,795
>> there is concerns and we are working on it working with getting proper contact after contact from heb has since left.

654
01:18:29,700 --> 01:18:29,700
looking at potentially working with them for land for flood

655
01:18:33,871 --> 01:18:33,871
mitigation efforts and I know one of the solutions was raising

656
01:18:39,176 --> 01:18:39,176
the road by the public safety building three feet and that is

657
01:18:49,253 --> 01:18:52,422
going to be very expensive so we are looking at working with them to continue efforts but I agree with a $3 million one year one

658
01:18:58,596 --> 01:18:58,596
and two it is really important to all staff from hays county

659
01:19:05,836 --> 01:19:05,836
and tammy to make sure judicial only in the government center

660
01:19:14,245 --> 01:19:17,181
and I know she will want to touch on a couple of things as well or not. >> commissioner smith.

661
01:19:21,819 --> 01:19:21,819
>> this is the first time I have been able to look at the overall

662
01:19:26,857 --> 01:19:26,857
plan. I think it is good. I have one question. If we look at the

663
01:19:30,995 --> 01:19:30,995
phase 2 tenure and I don't know if we can see that or not. One

664
01:19:36,701 --> 01:19:36,701
of the things we struggle with I think it is , let me see, the

665
01:19:41,839 --> 01:19:41,839
fifth page , the fifth slide. So if we look at that one of the

666
01:19:54,819 --> 01:19:58,056
things we struggle with we are doing now we don't know as great as we can be at estimating square footage we need and

667
01:20:03,528 --> 01:20:03,528
trying to find space to move employees whenever we have

668
01:20:09,868 --> 01:20:13,538
creation of new departments or expansion of departments we are constantly in need of flex space and we don't have it. As we

669
01:20:19,343 --> 01:20:19,343
look at the tenure plan I understand building out the

670
01:20:23,515 --> 01:20:26,651
shelf space but I would love to see an estimate for us to have until we need that as a judicial area to have that be flex space

671
01:20:33,891 --> 01:20:33,891
for the needs we have, right now the additional office space to

672
01:20:42,567 --> 01:20:44,769
accommodate this move. If we had another building sitting out it would not be a problem but if we don't need that until year 20

673
01:20:47,639 --> 01:20:50,375
that would give us 10 years with the space we could use instead of it being a shell and I would assume there would be some

674
01:20:54,546 --> 01:20:54,546
innovation cost to convert those into courtrooms should we need

675
01:20:59,283 --> 01:20:59,283
them then but we could do those as we saw individual courtrooms

676
01:21:05,190 --> 01:21:06,792
needed we could do those individual courtrooms perhaps. It might cost more, but I do think that is a need we could

677
01:21:11,296 --> 01:21:11,296
address especially if we have 20,000 square foot of flex space

678
01:21:16,201 --> 01:21:16,201
unneeded. >> great contribution.

679
01:21:23,943 --> 01:21:25,543
>> what would you use the flex space for? >> for example a couple years ago we were looking at finding

680
01:21:30,616 --> 01:21:33,985
the location specifically for development services but if we move development services if we move development services out of

681
01:21:39,825 --> 01:21:43,796
yerington while trying to find or build a new facility we need someplace for them. Right now we are looking at building the

682
01:21:48,901 --> 01:21:48,901
eastside campus. We have to have someplace for all offices when

683
01:21:52,971 --> 01:21:52,971
they move out of the government center temporarily until the

684
01:21:59,979 --> 01:22:02,314
eastside campus is constructed having a certain amount of space and I don't know if this is viable or not I think it would

685
01:22:05,450 --> 01:22:05,450
be helpful to have that whenever we move elections over to the

686
01:22:09,455 --> 01:22:09,455
new building having space to help facilitate that would have

687
01:22:14,493 --> 01:22:14,493
been helpful. >> anything tammy wants to

688
01:22:19,632 --> 01:22:19,632
contribute? >> I hear you and we have a need

689
01:22:24,170 --> 01:22:24,170
for flex space in judicial only it would be tough to have those

690
01:22:30,376 --> 01:22:32,311
. >> good but not there. Anything else? >> that is it.

691
01:22:35,782 --> 01:22:38,184
>> thank you very much we are grateful for your presentation and the work is meaningful. >> I would like to thank the

692
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:47,827
team for patience with us and the changing aspects of our needs. Thank you very much. >> you know what it's like to

693
01:22:54,334 --> 01:22:56,669
work with the fastest growing county in the nation for many years now the fastest growing region. Thank you guys for being

694
01:23:00,006 --> 01:23:00,006
so professional. Please open f7. >> f7, presentation by regarding

695
01:23:10,182 --> 01:23:12,351
the capital improvement program followed by discussion and possible action confirming capital priority improvement

696
01:23:15,321 --> 01:23:18,659
projects. >> please state your name and title for the viewing public. >> judge we have to open ?

697
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:22,629
>> if you want to take action I don't know. I don't think

698
01:23:28,368 --> 01:23:30,937
there's action just a presentation. Are you asking for action? >> that's up to the court.

699
01:23:36,275 --> 01:23:36,275
>> so moved. >> we have a second. Now we can

700
01:23:42,216 --> 01:23:45,118
take action. >> okay. >> good morning commissioners and judge thank you for letting

701
01:23:49,455 --> 01:23:49,455
me speak today my name is

702
01:23:57,864 --> 01:23:57,864
update on the cip for you all today.

703
01:24:02,135 --> 01:24:04,704
>> for clarification capital improvement plan. >> yes sir that was going to be my first bullet on here so you

704
01:24:09,342 --> 01:24:09,342
jumped ahead of me a little bit. For the general public and an

705
01:24:16,215 --> 01:24:16,215
update for the board members the cip is a capital improvement

706
01:24:20,987 --> 01:24:20,987
plan or program for the county focused on creating

707
01:24:25,425 --> 01:24:28,128
comprehensive and organized plan that addresses current future needs maximizes efficiency and improving the county citizens.

708
01:24:33,801 --> 01:24:33,801
so immediate needs five years 10 years 15 year effort kind of

709
01:24:40,207 --> 01:24:40,207
putting together that long-term blueprint or guideline for the

710
01:24:44,978 --> 01:24:44,978
county, just kind of trying to summarize that.

711
01:25:03,263 --> 01:25:03,263
>> generally this is done by school districts, counties, by

712
01:25:09,169 --> 01:25:09,169
cities , regularly to organize their efforts. Actually as part

713
01:25:15,108 --> 01:25:15,108
of the presentation for the court members and for the county

714
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:20,080
staff I do have some handouts. Want me to give those to you?

715
01:25:33,728 --> 01:25:33,728
okay, so with that handout there is a summary table and also a

716
01:25:42,170 --> 01:25:42,170
project list we will get into. The summary table is showing

717
01:25:46,274 --> 01:25:46,274
chronologically how we got to where we are at today with a

718
01:25:52,613 --> 01:25:55,883
quick highlight. We started in march with the data gathering process step one. I want to mention we did walk and visit 23

719
01:26:01,989 --> 01:26:01,989
site and facility sites and facilities to do inspection of

720
01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:09,030
those facilities . We conducted 26 staff interviews. And we

721
01:26:16,337 --> 01:26:16,337
attended multiple hays county public events to get input and

722
01:26:24,445 --> 01:26:24,445
to encourage the general public to submit surveys into the

723
01:26:31,585 --> 01:26:31,585
feedback to the capital improvement plan and we did

724
01:26:37,759 --> 01:26:40,095
receive results back with 131 members of the general public and 190 staff members, those were very successful numbers to

725
01:26:43,765 --> 01:26:47,502
get that feedback from the public and from the individual employees with hays county. Mentioned these we went through

726
01:26:55,310 --> 01:26:55,310
several meet and greets for the county administration precincts

727
01:26:59,313 --> 01:26:59,313
one, two and four. Actually kind of piggybacking of the

728
01:27:06,887 --> 01:27:06,887
introduction the wonderful new county administrator. We

729
01:27:13,594 --> 01:27:16,731
attended a health department back to school event where again we set up a booth and had public feedback and also a farmers

730
01:27:23,404 --> 01:27:23,404
market meeting in dripping springs. So we return to get the

731
01:27:29,010 --> 01:27:29,010
general public involvement and that was a huge success. We

732
01:27:35,551 --> 01:27:35,551
analyzed and crunched the data and we also did have some county

733
01:27:39,554 --> 01:27:39,554
workshops, workshop number one for the initial effort on august

734
01:27:48,963 --> 01:27:48,963
18 and then we had a scenario development building the next

735
01:27:54,670 --> 01:27:54,670
steps of the project list we broke that workshop up into two

736
01:27:59,307 --> 01:27:59,307
parts on october 8 and october 16 and then all the efforts are

737
01:28:04,079 --> 01:28:04,079
complete still working on the refinement of the final scenario

738
01:28:12,554 --> 01:28:12,554
and cost estimates. That is through now through early 2026.

739
01:28:22,831 --> 01:28:22,831
documentation is ongoing, we are currently building for the final

740
01:28:27,270 --> 01:28:27,270
product with final deliverable for the cip building information

741
01:28:33,509 --> 01:28:33,509
and data. The final documentation would be back and

742
01:28:40,449 --> 01:28:42,551
forth review with individual court members and the county judge along with our executive committee staff for the cip. And

743
01:28:49,024 --> 01:28:49,024
the final deliverable we will do in court , for the public and

744
01:28:53,930 --> 01:28:53,930
for the benefit of hays county staff and the commissioners

745
01:29:00,470 --> 01:29:00,470
court. The next thing you have in your handout is a project

746
01:29:08,110 --> 01:29:08,110
list, that's organized by high priority projects, mid-level

747
01:29:15,384 --> 01:29:15,384
priority and low priority projects. I did want to go

748
01:29:20,923 --> 01:29:20,923
through this and definitely get some gray matter thought going

749
01:29:29,365 --> 01:29:32,367
and then ask commissioners if they have feedback and thoughts and anything for the record on the priority list and this is a

750
01:29:36,739 --> 01:29:36,739
ongoing list by the way and I want to point out even to show

751
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:46,950
ongoing efforts of the list and involvement the totals are off but I apologize this is the range for the first section at

752
01:29:54,190 --> 01:29:54,190
236 million to 264 million. The total list including the grand

753
01:30:02,398 --> 01:30:04,733
total including projects down lower on the list are 314 million to 352 million. These are not today or tomorrow

754
01:30:12,307 --> 01:30:12,307
projects, not projects in fiscal year 2026 but a vast majority of

755
01:30:18,248 --> 01:30:18,248
this work is long-term and again we have a priority going shown

756
01:30:24,823 --> 01:30:24,823
on here and going through 15 years or more. Priorities

757
01:30:30,995 --> 01:30:30,995
change.

758
01:30:42,641 --> 01:30:42,641
the top priority projects identified obviously moving

759
01:30:46,745 --> 01:30:50,516
further along the eastside campus building on the east side of kyle. This construction three-story project we've been

760
01:30:53,786 --> 01:30:53,786
working with tammy and candace on the county tracking this even

761
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:01,760
though it's not something we directly involve just to track

762
01:31:05,764 --> 01:31:05,764
the total cost for the cip efforts. This is a $62 million

763
01:31:12,136 --> 01:31:12,136
cost for that facility. You can see the timeline construction

764
01:31:18,911 --> 01:31:22,146
start estimates that type of thing so this will continue to work through as that comes along and involves. The ped resource

765
01:31:29,054 --> 01:31:29,054
center near and dear to our heart we presented in may the

766
01:31:34,993 --> 01:31:34,993
county moving forward with that effort as they were kind of

767
01:31:39,264 --> 01:31:39,264
expecting in may partnering with the city of kyle that one is

768
01:31:47,739 --> 01:31:50,808
tracking $15 million project mostly as a partnership with the city. The government center we heard a little bit about that.

769
01:31:58,049 --> 01:31:58,049
there is kind of a mention of those being one three-year or

770
01:32:03,990 --> 01:32:07,659
short-term project also the longer-term as we all heard because there are multiple parts and phases to that facility. So

771
01:32:18,536 --> 01:32:18,536
short-term we are talking more in the 2 million range,

772
01:32:23,275 --> 01:32:23,275
longer-term $18-$20 million. We did break out the parking garage

773
01:32:27,345 --> 01:32:30,716
from that because the parties might be different from the county and it is worth mentioning it's worth tracking

774
01:32:36,288 --> 01:32:38,524
is a separate project even though it is on the same campus and it is associated but it can be independent of the timing of

775
01:32:41,526 --> 01:32:41,526
the other government center. The judicial offices, there will be

776
01:32:49,235 --> 01:32:49,235
a need for you know both the government center the remodel

777
01:32:56,309 --> 01:32:59,979
also the department that eventually move out to make the government center a judicial only facility and those offices

778
01:33:05,818 --> 01:33:05,818
need to state those will eventually need to be addressed

779
01:33:16,562 --> 01:33:19,565
in that a high medium range as far as priorities are concerned. Again all related to government center. Precinct 4 office

780
01:33:25,204 --> 01:33:27,707
building is something we have been working on with the county and with staff that is a high priority project. Something that

781
01:33:32,711 --> 01:33:32,711
is moving ahead and could potentially have a lot of cost

782
01:33:38,084 --> 01:33:38,084
savings involved. Through various methods of financing the

783
01:33:42,088 --> 01:33:42,088
project and then it would not necessarily be a new

784
01:33:46,659 --> 01:33:50,463
construction project because there is a decent size that is remodel or reconstruction for an existing facility. Precinct 5 is

785
01:33:59,206 --> 01:34:02,474
one that has not been as much on the county radar and I do want to mention. Precinct 5 substation in the pewter area.

786
01:34:08,915 --> 01:34:08,915
kind of one of those that seems like it does not come up in

787
01:34:13,553 --> 01:34:13,553
conversation a bunch in the county, but looking at the

788
01:34:18,592 --> 01:34:21,527
facility having a tour interviewing staff it is a high-priority facility. And landlocked it would need to be

789
01:34:29,202 --> 01:34:32,472
new construction facility. Parking needs are there as much as anything else. Moving into some others. I want to mention I

790
01:34:40,313 --> 01:34:42,582
won't give us much detail that was the high priority projects that we have identified up to this point.

791
01:34:45,853 --> 01:34:45,853
>> for the viewing public you know I love you guys but we have

792
01:34:51,358 --> 01:34:51,358
a ton to cover so if we can find a clean summary. For the viewing

793
01:34:56,529 --> 01:34:56,529
public restate by name the high priority projects so that people

794
01:35:01,736 --> 01:35:04,137
can follow along that are watching. >> the high priority projects are the east side kyle campus

795
01:35:08,508 --> 01:35:08,508
the ped resource center the partnership with the city of

796
01:35:14,414 --> 01:35:14,414
kyle, the government center both remodel the judicial need and

797
01:35:18,518 --> 01:35:18,518
the county seat offices that eventually need to move out.

798
01:35:22,555 --> 01:35:22,555
precinct 4 building and precinct 5 and then kind of related is

799
01:35:31,832 --> 01:35:31,832
the bottom end, the asterisk is the ped resource substation.

800
01:35:38,472 --> 01:35:38,472
>> on that the ped resource center has been, for years, the

801
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:45,880
main focus and goal which encompasses services that people

802
01:35:49,884 --> 01:35:49,884
have grown to expect and hope we do as we move forward so on the

803
01:35:57,557 --> 01:36:00,928
last item with your asterisk I want to share with the viewing public that although this kyle dialogue although not finished ,

804
01:36:07,300 --> 01:36:07,300
still in the works is not encompassing the spirit

805
01:36:12,673 --> 01:36:12,673
necessarily of the resource center, it is one of the cogs of

806
01:36:19,079 --> 01:36:19,079
the wheel to a compass the same end result. It is not

807
01:36:23,083 --> 01:36:25,720
specifically and by definition a copy and paste of the resource center interest it is only part of it. I don't use the word

808
01:36:30,324 --> 01:36:33,194
negatively but it will be piecemeal to and that's the best way to describe because we do need dripping springs

809
01:36:36,297 --> 01:36:36,297
footprint, we do need pause, we need fill in the blank. We need

810
01:36:42,436 --> 01:36:42,436
everyone and every footprint at every turn so although you keep

811
01:36:47,408 --> 01:36:47,408
the name for continuity of thoughts ped resource center

812
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:51,479
with the name kyle is not exactly the roadmap but it is

813
01:36:59,654 --> 01:36:59,654
still a key piece of it. Am I good with that ? Trying to be

814
01:37:04,091 --> 01:37:04,091
accurate as people are listening. How else can you

815
01:37:08,362 --> 01:37:12,300
summarize? >> I would love to add and say I think you are spot on in your comments, they are very

816
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:21,708
appropriate, but also geographically. The kyle campus can only serve that portion of the county and to get full

817
01:37:27,048 --> 01:37:27,048
coverage of dripping springs, wimberly, san marcos. The other

818
01:37:32,219 --> 01:37:32,219
areas that graphically in the county like you said the cogs of

819
01:37:36,624 --> 01:37:36,624
the wheel is one element and this is some of the other

820
01:37:42,097 --> 01:37:45,533
elements that check the box for the county as a whole. >> the only other thing I would add is we are actively working

821
01:37:49,170 --> 01:37:49,170
to address the rest of the county where services won't be

822
01:37:53,741 --> 01:37:53,741
provided in the kyle area which is a big geographical area

823
01:37:58,713 --> 01:38:02,551
anyway. And it will serve 80% of the animals that they are taking in so they have other options for the 20% and we are actively

824
01:38:08,156 --> 01:38:11,859
working on it. >> that's why I was saying it is not a completed transaction it is a work in progress and

825
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:22,770
relationship with the city of kyle. You want to add anything? >> yes, two items. I just want to say the two items I want to

826
01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:33,448
talk about her precinct 4 and five substation. Precinct 4 one of the attributes of the property we do the due diligence

827
01:38:37,686 --> 01:38:37,686
on their and I want to address what you have said and I have

828
01:38:42,090 --> 01:38:44,459
had conversations with staff there's enough physical property where we would be able to possibly do that at least the

829
01:38:49,330 --> 01:38:52,134
facility for the west side on the property without having to purchase additional land. Building that into the concept

830
01:38:56,939 --> 01:38:56,939
would be great. It is centrally located with plenty of property.

831
01:39:04,179 --> 01:39:06,949
>> I'm glad you said that before you go to the next point. I fully support the idea because when we don't agree people know

832
01:39:10,686 --> 01:39:14,323
and I want you to know I'm telling everyone that is peddled the idea of fully support that 100% and to double down even

833
01:39:19,428 --> 01:39:19,428
further I don't want to sell that property because we need it

834
01:39:24,133 --> 01:39:26,501
all. >> here is what I would say. It is a good central location and for the funding mechanism we are

835
01:39:31,407 --> 01:39:31,407
using that we are looking to use the county would receive 100% of

836
01:39:36,645 --> 01:39:40,148
the cost of that back to us but we have always had a town center concept as part of dripping springs which we are part of.

837
01:39:47,356 --> 01:39:49,591
matter-of-fact in 2020 with parks and open space we dedicated funds from the park to have a joint facility a true

838
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:55,430
town center with a square at least acre green clock town of

839
01:40:02,705 --> 01:40:02,705
those kinds of things. So I agree we need to keep as much as

840
01:40:06,976 --> 01:40:06,976
we can. I also want to step up and help other individual

841
01:40:13,516 --> 01:40:15,351
governmental entities such as dripping springs, emergency services that want to provide more coverage. Those entities I

842
01:40:21,690 --> 01:40:21,690
want to look at, the other thing I want to talk about and make

843
01:40:25,695 --> 01:40:25,695
mention of it is currently I know precinct 5 substation has

844
01:40:30,299 --> 01:40:30,299
been a priority in speaking with mrs. Bryant and constable the

845
01:40:38,441 --> 01:40:38,441
footprint and I'm glad you said this it is truly landlocked. It

846
01:40:44,848 --> 01:40:44,848
is simply hosting they don't have enough parking to do jury

847
01:40:49,685 --> 01:40:53,489
trials at certain points they cannot get enough people in the building and we don't have enough property there , we

848
01:40:56,927 --> 01:40:56,927
cannot make any more parking. >> my suggestion was to move it.

849
01:41:04,333 --> 01:41:06,435
>> to that point I am in negotiations with a developer who is putting in a facility near that on that side of kyle

850
01:41:12,242 --> 01:41:12,242
within my precinct which is precinct 4 but within the

851
01:41:18,681 --> 01:41:22,251
footprint of precinct 5 there's property that we had originally set aside for the school district and the district told

852
01:41:26,823 --> 01:41:30,693
them they don't want it that they don't envision putting a campus there so they have been gracious enough to talk to us

853
01:41:35,098 --> 01:41:35,098
through participation to actually try to help identify a

854
01:41:41,704 --> 01:41:44,541
location for donation to the county for the facility. >> I want to add did you say tirz tax increment reinvestment

855
01:41:50,279 --> 01:41:50,279
zone and he said precinct 5. So there are four commissioner

856
01:41:56,852 --> 01:41:56,852
precincts and I want to articulate that for one second.

857
01:42:03,260 --> 01:42:06,095
these are things you must understand to follow along otherwise you get lost and why are you here? Four precincts

858
01:42:10,534 --> 01:42:10,534
equal population approximately four quadrants each commissioner

859
01:42:14,938 --> 01:42:14,938
represents 25% of the population however we created an overlay of

860
01:42:20,043 --> 01:42:20,043
five constable precincts so when he said precinct 4 and five, I

861
01:42:26,917 --> 01:42:26,917
don't have my own my precinct is the whole county I'm the

862
01:42:31,788 --> 01:42:35,259
countywide presentation for each represent 25% of the population the precinct 5 justice of the peace and constable that has

863
01:42:39,263 --> 01:42:39,263
been added is specifically to cover services and needs we need

864
01:42:43,968 --> 01:42:43,968
to the judicial and law enforcement lens. Thank you for

865
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:52,376
pointing that out but I wanted to articulate that for people going precinct 5? Anything else you want to summarize with?

866
01:42:56,646 --> 01:42:56,646
>> I will rattle off in the spirit of time , I will list off

867
01:43:02,420 --> 01:43:02,420
other projects briefly. Medium and low priority. I did briefly

868
01:43:10,827 --> 01:43:10,827
mention the parking garage and government center 5 to 8 years

869
01:43:15,432 --> 01:43:15,432
time frame historic courthouse is low to medium in a 5 to 8

870
01:43:21,272 --> 01:43:24,207
year time frame. >> wait wait wait doing what to do? >> the courthouse? A complete

871
01:43:29,780 --> 01:43:29,780
historic renovation. >> a touchup a facelift. Okay.

872
01:43:36,487 --> 01:43:39,523
>> fix some of the cracks in the buildings. >> I have big cracks in my office but that's okay.

873
01:43:42,493 --> 01:43:45,095
>> keep it here another 100 years. >> yes exactly. The sheriff's office mental health bed

874
01:43:49,900 --> 01:43:49,900
facility diversion center . Transformation development

875
01:43:55,172 --> 01:43:55,172
services office expansion. These are low 5 to 8 year or longer

876
01:44:01,179 --> 01:44:01,179
projects. Medical examiner's office. And then going down the

877
01:44:05,415 --> 01:44:05,415
list a little bit further , the hays county I'm sorry, the the

878
01:44:17,128 --> 01:44:17,128
sorry the jail expansion these are part of the jail master

879
01:44:22,766 --> 01:44:22,766
plan. >> this is really fine print. I

880
01:44:29,373 --> 01:44:31,475
hope you never bring six point font back to court. >> I hope I helped everybody doing 11 by 17. The jail

881
01:44:35,746 --> 01:44:35,746
expansion is part of a separate master plan for the jail. And

882
01:44:41,953 --> 01:44:41,953
then future and long-term. Some of the needs is juvenile justice

883
01:44:47,659 --> 01:44:47,659
facility needs a little bit of help. Office of emergency

884
01:44:52,263 --> 01:44:52,263
management judge you did mention earlier. I think there might be

885
01:44:57,268 --> 01:44:57,268
other options for that even on precinct 4 footprint. Maybe for

886
01:45:01,472 --> 01:45:01,472
storage maybe not for the main office , but some other needs.

887
01:45:07,479 --> 01:45:07,479
the last one on the list is facilities and resource

888
01:45:12,116 --> 01:45:12,116
management office for currently mixed in with the health

889
01:45:17,689 --> 01:45:21,093
department. This is a need within the county in the medium range for tammy's apartment, for warehouse and office space.

890
01:45:29,033 --> 01:45:32,070
>> one other thing that we mentioned in here but we don't have a cost estimate and I think we're way too early in the

891
01:45:38,343 --> 01:45:38,343
process to talk about that. We mentioned moving at a precinct

892
01:45:42,547 --> 01:45:45,451
at a precinct 4 into the new facility, we mentioned it would become law enforcement for the sheriff's department but we

893
01:45:49,321 --> 01:45:53,191
don't talk or I don't know there has been evaluation because I would love to get an extension or more importantly a

894
01:45:57,663 --> 01:45:57,663
driver's license office , whatever happens there would

895
01:46:01,967 --> 01:46:01,967
have to be some renovation. Is very disjointed with all the

896
01:46:07,639 --> 01:46:07,639
bulletproof glass for the individual offices. So that's

897
01:46:12,010 --> 01:46:12,010
not an immediate need but long-range we need to keep that

898
01:46:16,515 --> 01:46:19,484
in mind. >> that's right the rehabbing, commissioner hammer any comments?

899
01:46:21,487 --> 01:46:21,487
>> from financial sustainability we keep saying tirz will fund,

900
01:46:27,193 --> 01:46:27,193
how long would that take for it to get back our money from 100%?

901
01:46:33,132 --> 01:46:33,132
>> currently in that specific tirz the finance , it could

902
01:46:39,738 --> 01:46:39,738
start paying debt back to us within three years. Is when the

903
01:46:44,410 --> 01:46:44,410
debt starts being repaid. Now again we look to co the projects

904
01:46:50,816 --> 01:46:50,816
we would do the initial co than a life of the tirz is 25 years

905
01:46:57,156 --> 01:46:57,156
so we would amortize over 25 years and now the budget

906
01:47:01,260 --> 01:47:01,260
estimate for projects outside of the city footprint that would

907
01:47:05,898 --> 01:47:09,468
fall in the county footprint the income from that that's estimated from the outside consulting is in the

908
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:14,240
neighborhood of $36 million. So those could be used on projects

909
01:47:18,844 --> 01:47:18,844
which we identify as county priorities and right now we're

910
01:47:22,848 --> 01:47:26,453
looking at 20 million or less so that would be the additional. >> growth paying for growth anything else? Anything else?

911
01:47:31,958 --> 01:47:31,958
>> precinct 5 building that is more high to me because the

912
01:47:40,265 --> 01:47:40,265
growth in the area , that office will probably have to have

913
01:47:45,137 --> 01:47:45,137
another justice of the peace because of where the boundary

914
01:47:49,274 --> 01:47:49,274
it, it goes across the northern part, the northeast part of hays

915
01:47:54,647 --> 01:47:54,647
county with the development coming the numbers are going up.

916
01:47:59,552 --> 01:48:02,522
whether that is new construction or finding an existing building we could utilize within the precinct I would love for us to

917
01:48:07,961 --> 01:48:11,431
take a look at that because that is going to be a dire need for precinct 5. That is not a parking lot that is a slab of

918
01:48:15,802 --> 01:48:15,802
asphalt with crooked lines on it and it is not sustainable to the

919
01:48:21,274 --> 01:48:21,274
work that needs to be done in that office. Hopefully we can

920
01:48:26,813 --> 01:48:26,813
prioritize that. >> I hope for clarification, I

921
01:48:30,917 --> 01:48:30,917
hope to have a property the physical property identified and

922
01:48:37,190 --> 01:48:39,492
some donation agreement within 30 to 60 days. >> okay. >> commissioner ingalsbe.

923
01:48:43,563 --> 01:48:43,563
>> I wanted to mention, thank you for the update and just

924
01:48:48,935 --> 01:48:48,935
mention the transportation and development services land we are

925
01:48:56,509 --> 01:48:56,509
scheduled to gain 5.3 acres . We are working with our last

926
01:49:01,481 --> 01:49:01,481
property owner for the fm 110 project and so with that , he

927
01:49:12,258 --> 01:49:12,258
has graciously donated 5.3 acres of land to us again that is

928
01:49:17,797 --> 01:49:17,797
above the 10 acres that he donated several years ago.

929
01:49:23,703 --> 01:49:27,374
>> wonderful commissioner and that is your work, james thanks 1 million for your work and I wanted to give our county

930
01:49:33,747 --> 01:49:35,615
administrator opportunity to speak on this item. >> thank you judge. At the staff level thank you for giving us

931
01:49:40,721 --> 01:49:40,721
the updated priorities. We wanted to discuss the financial

932
01:49:46,092 --> 01:49:46,092
implications of planning those priorities. Later in the agenda

933
01:49:51,098 --> 01:49:54,335
we have the reimbursement resolution and I will turn it over to walk through that with you all and she has a handout.

934
01:50:00,374 --> 01:50:00,374
>> good morning vicki dorsett hays county budget officer. I am

935
01:50:16,991 --> 01:50:16,991
also a member of the cip executive committee. I have been

936
01:50:27,935 --> 01:50:30,337
meeting with the team with james and denise to flesh out the numbers for these priority projects as well as future

937
01:50:32,306 --> 01:50:36,010
projects so I've created a recap . James provided detailed information. I have taken that information along with some of

938
01:50:40,247 --> 01:50:43,918
the cash flow and estimate agreements we have in place and created a brief recap so we could start dissecting those

939
01:50:49,957 --> 01:50:49,957
higher priority projects and also do some long-term financial

940
01:50:55,129 --> 01:50:55,129
planning for future projects. The top section of the recap

941
01:51:01,268 --> 01:51:01,268
identifies some priority projects that james went over

942
01:51:06,607 --> 01:51:06,607
with you. As you know and as mentioned we have reimbursement

943
01:51:13,247 --> 01:51:16,617
resolution later on. The reimbursement resolution is just to identify capital projects and we will potentially start

944
01:51:23,657 --> 01:51:23,657
spending some funding on prior to issuing debt that we

945
01:51:28,296 --> 01:51:28,296
anticipate issuing in 25 six. We did budget issue $100 million to

946
01:51:35,770 --> 01:51:37,538
address vertical infrastructure needs in the county. The timeline for that is bringing the notice of intent to court on

947
01:51:44,446 --> 01:51:44,446
november 18. Identifying those priority projects that we will

948
01:51:50,217 --> 01:51:50,217
be addressing with $100 million with anticipation of issuing

949
01:51:54,222 --> 01:51:54,222
late january. So with the 100 million we can address those top

950
01:52:02,263 --> 01:52:05,600
three priority projects we already have agreements with other partners on which is the eastside campus, the pet

951
01:52:11,339 --> 01:52:11,339
resource center and precinct for land and building acquisition.

952
01:52:17,946 --> 01:52:21,649
those projects right now with cash flow that we have total 91.6 million. The alternative funding options we have for the

953
01:52:29,958 --> 01:52:29,958
eastside campus we're still working with the city on that

954
01:52:36,230 --> 01:52:36,230
mou to try to get the land use built in over a four-year period

955
01:52:45,607 --> 01:52:45,607
so we can pay that out through operations other than using our

956
01:52:50,879 --> 01:52:50,879
debt for the fee. Additionally the government center we have

957
01:52:56,251 --> 01:52:56,251
the anterior parking needs which is just under 1.4 in the sally

958
01:53:00,288 --> 01:53:00,288
port under 1.7. So those two projects I listed separately

959
01:53:08,097 --> 01:53:08,097
simply due to the immediate need for the interior and surface

960
01:53:15,037 --> 01:53:17,773
parking. The sally port I believe tammy has identified should be addressed within the three-year period however, it

961
01:53:21,176 --> 01:53:24,746
could be addressed later in a future budget cycle. Could potentially use some of our general fund this year to start

962
01:53:32,221 --> 01:53:34,656
these projects and we also have some simple court holding funds available to participate in the funding. I have separated those

963
01:53:38,726 --> 01:53:38,726
out for potential other funding options that we won't have to

964
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:45,000
utilize. The remaining three projects are projects that I use

965
01:53:50,205 --> 01:53:50,205
the broad estimates , we don't have cash flow or agreements we

966
01:53:56,278 --> 01:53:58,781
just know there's a need to model the precinct 4 building when we do acquire that if that does go through and also the

967
01:54:03,619 --> 01:54:03,619
need for the precinct 5 building potential new construction. The

968
01:54:09,926 --> 01:54:09,926
tax and treasurer office we don't have anything potential ,

969
01:54:14,029 --> 01:54:14,029
currently the county is looking but there is a need and most

970
01:54:19,468 --> 01:54:19,468
likely the need would be in the one three-year time period so it

971
01:54:24,474 --> 01:54:27,810
is something we need to address. Obviously the priority projects are little over from 100 million that we have issued so we need

972
01:54:33,416 --> 01:54:33,416
to start preparing to cover these plan for additional debt

973
01:54:38,554 --> 01:54:42,157
future years outside of the three-year timeline. The remaining projects I have recapped are 3 to 5 year

974
01:54:48,697 --> 01:54:48,697
projects, 5 to 8 year projects and future projects. That is

975
01:54:54,171 --> 01:54:54,171
just for your information so we can keep an eye on what it looks

976
01:54:59,776 --> 01:54:59,776
like for future planning, future tax rate debt capacity and to

977
01:55:03,813 --> 01:55:03,813
prioritize what the needs are. >> okay. At the bottom of the

978
01:55:11,054 --> 01:55:13,756
list civic center and commissioner ingalsbe and my heart is a higher I already. It does not equate to the way the

979
01:55:19,862 --> 01:55:19,862
papers print just anyone who can see it will know it's a bigger

980
01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:27,403
priority than bottom of the list. >> correct. Due to some potential funding and

981
01:55:31,808 --> 01:55:31,808
partnerships it has not been included in the cash flow need

982
01:55:36,912 --> 01:55:36,912
at this point. As well as the sheriff's office mental health

983
01:55:43,519 --> 01:55:44,555
. >> commissioners questions or comments on this? >> beautifully done I can

984
01:55:50,927 --> 01:55:54,865
imagine retiring and coming back and doing such a fantastic job like you have done but this is laid out perfectly. Thank you

985
01:56:02,839 --> 01:56:04,607
very much. >> commissioner smith anything? >> it was done very well. Again as we look at some of these I

986
01:56:10,881 --> 01:56:14,618
want to ensure we have, as we start to develop the timeline on some of these and we get steps in the process what I would love

987
01:56:20,223 --> 01:56:20,223
to see and I don't know if this is with tammy or candace or how

988
01:56:25,295 --> 01:56:25,295
I know wherever it falls they are working directly with you.

989
01:56:32,303 --> 01:56:34,170
whenever we look at transportation and other projects I love knowing what is going to cost what, what my

990
01:56:40,543 --> 01:56:40,543
delivery date is, a true project management option for us. As we

991
01:56:49,687 --> 01:56:53,089
start to do this I know the last thing we need is another consultant, but there is good software packages and good

992
01:56:57,093 --> 01:56:57,093
consultants that could give us something that has a dashboard

993
01:57:05,535 --> 01:57:08,038
that allows us to look at that so we can have real timelines and I like a higher level of expectation when it comes to

994
01:57:12,710 --> 01:57:12,710
project delivery. These projects are so large and it is so much

995
01:57:18,615 --> 01:57:21,452
of taxpayer money that I want to ensure we are not, the longer we have the money and we're paying debt on it , it bothers me. As

996
01:57:30,727 --> 01:57:33,764
we do tranches or look at these things I want to do them in the right way so being able to manage that in a more efficient

997
01:57:36,567 --> 01:57:36,567
way than we have done in the past would be more helpful.

998
01:57:40,604 --> 01:57:40,604
>> commissioner cohen, commissioner ingalsbe? Thank you

999
01:57:45,909 --> 01:57:45,909
so much as always you are our babe ruth out of the ballpark.

1000
01:57:50,814 --> 01:57:54,051
here is what we are doing next see you can keep an eye on things. Go j 2, 20, 12, 4, 1 and 10 minute recess. And then j 15

1001
01:58:05,263 --> 01:58:05,263
absolutely. See how this works? In that order. Let's begin j 2.

1002
01:58:17,909 --> 01:58:20,511
discussion and possible action regarding contracts and invoices related to the canceled request for qualifications rfq 2025-q01 professional services pool. >> so moved.

1003
01:58:28,686 --> 01:58:32,023
>> second. >> what we have is a couple items that are going to need additional discussion because we

1004
01:58:37,228 --> 01:58:40,031
have to be clear with what's going n so people can follow. Thank you guys. It is always the goal of this court for me for

1005
01:58:47,972 --> 01:58:47,972
example the chair of the court to have people follow along

1006
01:58:52,076 --> 01:58:54,345
that's why I don't have people speak in acronyms without clarifying. There will be extra talk about the next few items

1007
01:58:58,383 --> 01:59:01,653
and that is because people don't know what's going on. >> so, this item because after the cancellation of the rfq

1008
01:59:09,260 --> 01:59:12,898
request for qualification 2025 , the professional services pool there was a question which I talked a little bit about direct

1009
01:59:18,169 --> 01:59:22,040
action plans and how to move forward with the contracts and invoices that were awarded under that proposal. Or the

1010
01:59:28,914 --> 01:59:32,517
solicitation. A little background on how invoices are approved in county government. We have a check and balance

1011
01:59:38,022 --> 01:59:41,426
where the county auditor reviews and audits for approval, presents to commissioners court for approval and then it is

1012
01:59:48,933 --> 01:59:48,933
presented to the treasurer for her disbursement. So long the

1013
01:59:53,270 --> 01:59:55,574
lines local government code is clear the county auditor may not audit or prove a claim and thus the claim was not procured as

1014
01:59:59,644 --> 01:59:59,644
provided by law including procurement law. When the issues

1015
02:00:03,915 --> 02:00:03,915
arose with request for qualification I had a concern as

1016
02:00:09,187 --> 02:00:12,991
to how to proceed and move forward with the invoices and contracts. I know had a discussion with the treasurer as

1017
02:00:19,931 --> 02:00:19,931
well and so for my statutory requirement, I needed someone to

1018
02:00:27,005 --> 02:00:27,005
review the procurement that occurred in the contract so I

1019
02:00:34,112 --> 02:00:37,650
did request the civil division and the district attorney's office . To look at eight contracts and give me a legal

1020
02:00:42,621 --> 02:00:42,621
opinion as to how I could proceed as the first check and

1021
02:00:47,091 --> 02:00:47,091
balance. I did receive a legal opinion yesterday evening and

1022
02:00:52,464 --> 02:00:56,068
there were eight contracts. I want to make note the eight vendors none of them were the company that identified the

1023
02:01:00,906 --> 02:01:00,906
conflict. Most of them, except for one had already been

1024
02:01:08,547 --> 02:01:08,547
selected on projects with the county. Four of them had been

1025
02:01:15,120 --> 02:01:15,120
selected under our old pool prior to the solicitation being

1026
02:01:21,027 --> 02:01:21,027
completed, but because the contract was rewarded after the

1027
02:01:26,500 --> 02:01:26,500
pool that was canceled the agenda item referenced the new

1028
02:01:32,638 --> 02:01:36,274
pool that was then later canceled. After receiving the opinion which identified that these contracts were procured

1029
02:01:43,282 --> 02:01:43,282
under government code 2254 which if you go back and look, the

1030
02:01:51,191 --> 02:01:51,191
selection of the firm is the qualification. So I received the

1031
02:01:57,296 --> 02:02:00,032
opinion saying the eight contracts were valid for payment. And so at this point because I received this opinion

1032
02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:07,440
and these vendors entered into contract with the county under

1033
02:02:14,046 --> 02:02:16,849
good faith and performed work and I have four invoices I need to pay I am prepared to move forward and present those two

1034
02:02:19,219 --> 02:02:22,322
commissioners court for payment however I am just the first level of the check and balance. Now there is the commissioners

1035
02:02:27,126 --> 02:02:27,126
court and the treasurer. This agenda item was written and I

1036
02:02:32,432 --> 02:02:35,335
did not have the opinion yet, but I don't want to wait on invoices so any action to be taken by the court for their

1037
02:02:42,008 --> 02:02:42,008
check and balance or the treasurer by the check and

1038
02:02:47,180 --> 02:02:49,749
balance I did not want to wait until november 18. Now that I have this opinion I am prepared to move forward with these, of

1039
02:02:52,986 --> 02:02:52,986
those contracts two were canceled because they had to do

1040
02:03:00,460 --> 02:03:02,929
with the road bond rulings so they were canceled and reissued so it's really six active contracts that we have.

1041
02:03:05,398 --> 02:03:05,398
>> checks and balances thank you for that. Our county auditor

1042
02:03:11,104 --> 02:03:11,104
just spoke. Commissioners court , we are another checks and

1043
02:03:16,676 --> 02:03:16,676
balance and as the county auditor just stated, the final

1044
02:03:22,649 --> 02:03:25,552
piece is presented to the treasurer for payment. Treasurer what say you? >>

1045
02:03:31,458 --> 02:03:34,928
treasurer. Anytime you get a phone call from the auditor you pick it up and you go this can't be good right? So that

1046
02:03:39,632 --> 02:03:42,935
was exactly what I was presented with. The information provided to me did stipulate there were some probable issues with this

1047
02:03:49,676 --> 02:03:49,676
particular procurement and specifically these invoices.

1048
02:03:53,814 --> 02:03:53,814
originally we talked about looking for an outside attorney

1049
02:03:58,719 --> 02:03:58,719
opinion to verify that was going to be the case. I am , I believe

1050
02:04:04,357 --> 02:04:04,357
these contractors have done the work. On good faith and they

1051
02:04:08,895 --> 02:04:08,895
need to be paid. However, I would still like to have an

1052
02:04:14,634 --> 02:04:14,634
outside opinion. This is where checks and balances work. This

1053
02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:22,810
is the good thing about government. I am comfortable going ahead and releasing those disbursements with a statement

1054
02:04:28,616 --> 02:04:28,616
from the commissioners court releasing me from any legal

1055
02:04:34,422 --> 02:04:37,591
obligations if the outside opinion comes differently from our internal opinion that's where I stand.

1056
02:04:40,895 --> 02:04:40,895
>> that is a very good point. Got to walk people through all

1057
02:04:47,501 --> 02:04:51,105
things we do. What people don't understand is this release can you talk about your bond? We all get bonded to the work we're

1058
02:04:54,608 --> 02:04:54,608
doing can you speak on that? >> as the hays county treasurer

1059
02:05:02,616 --> 02:05:05,119
I am bonded by half million dollar bond, that bond is secured by my personal home. If something does occur that is not

1060
02:05:08,723 --> 02:05:08,723
legal I have that possibility of losing my home. That is why I am

1061
02:05:15,830 --> 02:05:18,966
extremely cautious when we look at any type of expenditures over a certain amount and that is why I am asking because we having a

1062
02:05:26,607 --> 02:05:28,342
checks and balance issue, the auditor did specifically stated she wanted to have an outside opinion, she has the right to

1063
02:05:30,879 --> 02:05:30,879
change her mind, I have the right to continue to ask for

1064
02:05:35,249 --> 02:05:35,249
that outside opinion. You will have the right to say no but in

1065
02:05:39,487 --> 02:05:42,256
the event that is the case, if in fact you want disbursements done I am of the opinion that the work has been done in good

1066
02:05:45,860 --> 02:05:48,796
faith but I am asking for coverage. From the commissioners court in the event outside opinion does come back stating

1067
02:05:53,835 --> 02:05:53,835
differently. >> understand this decision is

1068
02:06:00,442 --> 02:06:02,110
important because as you stated your house, literally your home is at stake. So her request , her request is that , how do we

1069
02:06:08,149 --> 02:06:08,149
thread the needle ? >> jordan powell civil first

1070
02:06:18,960 --> 02:06:18,960
assistant. I want to make sure I am understanding you judge.

1071
02:06:25,400 --> 02:06:27,869
thread the needle as far as the court discussing whetheror not they want an outside legal opinion?

1072
02:06:30,505 --> 02:06:30,505
>> specifically as to green lighting the payment from the

1073
02:06:34,943 --> 02:06:34,943
vendors , that was worked on for the county in good faith , part

1074
02:06:41,116 --> 02:06:41,116
of anything going on under investigation and making sure

1075
02:06:47,188 --> 02:06:50,224
that when she says I'm okay to pay , we approve the payment and the treasurer pays and it does not come back if outside opinion

1076
02:06:54,196 --> 02:06:57,732
says you shouldn't have and someone comes after her house for it. >> I would say generally

1077
02:07:00,369 --> 02:07:00,369
speaking any claim that's made against a county office or the

1078
02:07:04,639 --> 02:07:04,639
county itself, the county defends them in that regard.

1079
02:07:08,777 --> 02:07:08,777
obviously there are exceptions but I don't think those apply

1080
02:07:16,318 --> 02:07:19,054
here. Our legal opinion would be contracts were valid to pay them and that opinion would apply to both the auditor and treasurer

1081
02:07:22,557 --> 02:07:22,557
and the commissioners court. If there was disagreement or future

1082
02:07:27,863 --> 02:07:27,863
contention , then we would work on defending the county. Whether

1083
02:07:34,269 --> 02:07:34,269
it is countywide. >> I appreciate that because

1084
02:07:39,174 --> 02:07:39,174
that is literally the job of the das office, to defend the courts

1085
02:07:48,952 --> 02:07:50,553
and elected official movements in representing the government. I know you will defend it because that's your job, but I

1086
02:07:53,188 --> 02:07:53,188
have to ask you , have to ask it. If you're not victorious in

1087
02:08:00,796 --> 02:08:04,099
your defense does that mean that our treasurer would jeopardize her house? Or is that no way no how not going to happen?

1088
02:08:09,838 --> 02:08:09,838
>> trying to stay on topic I would say generally speaking I

1089
02:08:14,609 --> 02:08:14,609
never been part of a situation where a bond has been collected

1090
02:08:19,382 --> 02:08:19,382
and the elected official has lost that.

1091
02:08:24,687 --> 02:08:28,157
>> so you are not sure? >> I have not seen it happen. >> okay. We will start on the site any questions or comments?

1092
02:08:33,395 --> 02:08:33,395
>> maybe you asked it let me make sure I am understanding .

1093
02:08:41,436 --> 02:08:41,436
the treasurer has asked that we release her from legal

1094
02:08:45,641 --> 02:08:45,641
litigation. Not sure if I'm saying it correctly if outside

1095
02:08:51,514 --> 02:08:51,514
opinion comes back with finding. Can we add that to the motion?

1096
02:09:00,856 --> 02:09:00,856
>> I don't know we can legally do that. Begin our analysis was

1097
02:09:08,097 --> 02:09:08,097
based on contracts and invoices related to these eight contracts

1098
02:09:12,602 --> 02:09:12,602
and invoices we did not perform analysis on bond legalities what

1099
02:09:17,340 --> 02:09:19,943
we can and cannot do with those that was not analyzed. >> sticky situation. >> first time I heard the

1100
02:09:26,516 --> 02:09:28,584
question was this morning so I apologize. >> okay. >> I want to protect the elected

1101
02:09:32,322 --> 02:09:36,058
officials and pay the people doing the work. We are in a corner and we have to defend the people who did the work that

1102
02:09:38,561 --> 02:09:42,466
deserve to be paid and we have to defend. >> if I might add. I understand this is a very sticky situation

1103
02:09:49,305 --> 02:09:53,209
but you have to understand my perspective. My perspective is the protection of my family and because this is a very

1104
02:09:59,949 --> 02:09:59,949
interesting conundrum we are in with this particular item I want

1105
02:10:05,088 --> 02:10:05,088
to make sure that am doing my due diligence for my family.

1106
02:10:10,626 --> 02:10:14,264
that's all I am asking. >> very good and I'm here to support that effort. Commissioner ingalsbe.

1107
02:10:18,168 --> 02:10:18,168
>> I want to support that also. The auditor she brought it to

1108
02:10:24,274 --> 02:10:24,274
the attention and wants the court to make a decision. I mean

1109
02:10:30,247 --> 02:10:32,449
jordan I guess you are saying in your opinion you feel the protection is there for them? >> protection in relation to the

1110
02:10:36,319 --> 02:10:36,319
contracts and payments? Yes. The contracts were legally valid and

1111
02:10:42,192 --> 02:10:42,192
they should be paid. >> and they have that

1112
02:10:49,199 --> 02:10:49,199
protection. I guess we can continue.

1113
02:10:54,505 --> 02:10:56,740
>> we will continue one at a time. >> I am recusing myself. >> thank you, commissioner

1114
02:11:00,711 --> 02:11:00,711
hammer. >> jordan I'm sorry to put you

1115
02:11:05,115 --> 02:11:05,115
in this situation again. I want to make sure. I'm not going to

1116
02:11:09,986 --> 02:11:09,986
risk someone losing their house, but I also, is there any way

1117
02:11:15,893 --> 02:11:15,893
that's even possible? >> again our analysis was on the

1118
02:11:20,231 --> 02:11:20,231
contract and payment not in regards to the bond. They will

1119
02:11:24,868 --> 02:11:28,639
say our legal opinion is the contracts are valid, they should be paid and as I mentioned is there some claim in the future

1120
02:11:34,712 --> 02:11:34,712
as a county we would work with the county to defend the county.

1121
02:11:39,449 --> 02:11:39,449
and if we need to do for their analysis on the bond we can do

1122
02:11:44,989 --> 02:11:44,989
that, that was not part of this analysis like I said the first I

1123
02:11:49,460 --> 02:11:53,330
heard of that was this morning but legal advice is the contracts are valid and they should be paid. >> is there a way we can make a motion to get those paid and

1124
02:11:59,470 --> 02:12:02,239
then come with, do a little more research and analysis and come back with a better motion or better agenda item to explain

1125
02:12:06,744 --> 02:12:06,744
the situation and the process? >> I guess to make sure I am

1126
02:12:14,118 --> 02:12:14,118
clear. Our legal opinion which I have stated we are confident in

1127
02:12:19,156 --> 02:12:19,156
that. If the court wants a separate opinion or something

1128
02:12:23,460 --> 02:12:23,460
different that is the court 's prerogative.

1129
02:12:29,567 --> 02:12:29,567
>> legal opinion will not change given more time to analyze the

1130
02:12:34,839 --> 02:12:38,376
situation? >> this specific situation, no. >> thank you, great question. Commissioner smith.

1131
02:12:42,246 --> 02:12:42,246
>> you know the county pays, I know we budget every year for

1132
02:12:46,650 --> 02:12:46,650
the bonds for all elected officials. And then there is

1133
02:12:53,991 --> 02:12:53,991
also protection under state law for each of us as we act on

1134
02:12:58,162 --> 02:12:58,162
behalf of the county and there are specific limitations on that

1135
02:13:03,935 --> 02:13:03,935
and your bond should cover up to the limitation even up to the

1136
02:13:08,906 --> 02:13:11,877
state limitation even if there was a claim on it which I sincerely doubt there would ever be a claim on this. Again, the

1137
02:13:15,414 --> 02:13:19,250
concern that I have is these are valid contracts that they have already done the work and they were awarded in the correct way.

1138
02:13:25,656 --> 02:13:25,656
unfortunately, because of the doing away with of this pool I

1139
02:13:33,365 --> 02:13:36,868
guess my question is what is the total dollar amount we're talking about for the six contracts outstanding?

1140
02:13:52,484 --> 02:13:55,287
you don't have to give me exact. >> the largest one was for utility and design. Which is

1141
02:14:04,262 --> 02:14:04,262
666,000. >> 666,000. First one blows her

1142
02:14:09,234 --> 02:14:09,234
out of the water. >> utility coronation 137,000.

1143
02:14:16,541 --> 02:14:16,541
and we have a smaller one that 16,900. And then the one from

1144
02:14:23,048 --> 02:14:23,048
new company $73,303. >> hovering around $1 million.

1145
02:14:30,056 --> 02:14:30,056
>> my point is there is a specific level of liability that

1146
02:14:35,494 --> 02:14:35,494
we cap out at as . That is where the bond as well. Even if there

1147
02:14:44,370 --> 02:14:44,370
was a claim. I want to clarify I don't believe you would

1148
02:14:52,577 --> 02:14:56,482
jeopardize your home or anything because our bond, your bond should cap. >> let me explain. >> keep talking. >> I want to give you some, I

1149
02:15:05,090 --> 02:15:05,090
want to give you, I want to heart and you a little bit.

1150
02:15:09,295 --> 02:15:12,297
>> at the same time he is not an attorney. >> I'm not an attorney. I am trying to look at the math. The

1151
02:15:18,136 --> 02:15:18,136
concern that I have is at least on a couple of these I know we

1152
02:15:22,708 --> 02:15:22,708
had to get the work done in order to meet deadlines for

1153
02:15:27,013 --> 02:15:27,013
txdot. When we had txdot in here this morning, I am speaking to a

1154
02:15:35,255 --> 02:15:37,457
group tomorrow on the partnership we have with txdot. I don't want to jeopardize that or any ongoing projects. If

1155
02:15:40,827 --> 02:15:40,827
there is a motion that , that jordan can draft where we are

1156
02:15:48,901 --> 02:15:50,703
comfortable with I did not sponsor this item but I'm happy to move forward trying to get these done in the right way but

1157
02:15:55,941 --> 02:15:55,941
I do think if we delay and wait until the next court , these are

1158
02:16:00,813 --> 02:16:00,813
people not getting paid and I don't know how familiar you are

1159
02:16:05,851 --> 02:16:05,851
with this industry but many are laying people off I know two

1160
02:16:12,592 --> 02:16:13,826
firms doing layoff rounds this week >> let me go first. Commissioner smith I believe in the things

1161
02:16:18,197 --> 02:16:18,197
you have said that's twice barely on the first agenda item.

1162
02:16:23,769 --> 02:16:23,769
I believe everything you said about getting people paid they

1163
02:16:28,141 --> 02:16:28,141
do the work and they reached into this county in good faith

1164
02:16:32,145 --> 02:16:34,414
not knowing other things would take place outside of their control. I believe wholeheartedly paying them in a

1165
02:16:36,983 --> 02:16:36,983
timely manner and my hope is we do that today in the motion so

1166
02:16:41,187 --> 02:16:41,187
that a foreshadowing I do not have intention on the link in my

1167
02:16:47,227 --> 02:16:50,764
intent is protecting the treasurer soak into jordan you can save saying it several times. My question to you, is

1168
02:16:55,702 --> 02:16:59,072
there a way to push this forward to pay the people the $1 million approximately that they have done the work in good faith for

1169
02:17:02,008 --> 02:17:02,008
us to do and change the bond bird does not straddle the

1170
02:17:09,683 --> 02:17:09,683
treasurer home ? >> I don't think we can take

1171
02:17:20,159 --> 02:17:20,159
any action on a bond and in addition I would have more of a

1172
02:17:26,166 --> 02:17:26,166
concern if the auditor, there's legal saying they are valid and

1173
02:17:32,472 --> 02:17:32,472
to pay invoices, the auditor is in agreement. Hypothetically

1174
02:17:38,078 --> 02:17:40,580
commissioners court is in agreement then it becomes a ministerial act by the treasurer and I would analyze under that

1175
02:17:43,917 --> 02:17:43,917
regard. >> okay thank you, the concern

1176
02:17:49,890 --> 02:17:49,890
was when my auditor stated she wanted outside review so

1177
02:17:55,095 --> 02:17:55,095
there's something going on there is actually an issue that

1178
02:18:00,600 --> 02:18:00,600
happened here. We don't want him is to be brought into the

1179
02:18:04,905 --> 02:18:04,905
and then brought to me. I'm not trying to be difficult I'm

1180
02:18:09,743 --> 02:18:12,646
happy to pay those people but I want protections that's all I am asking for. >> very valid and it is not

1181
02:18:15,883 --> 02:18:19,052
administrative I want to be clarified. This is not administered theatrical stunt this is checks and balances for

1182
02:18:23,758 --> 02:18:23,758
protections and in this instance for your family. If we make a

1183
02:18:29,463 --> 02:18:33,400
motion commissioner smith because I'm with you, make a motion let's walk through this together. To be these people $1

1184
02:18:38,706 --> 02:18:38,706
million more or less because there is a insight opinion that

1185
02:18:46,347 --> 02:18:46,347
it is okay to pay can I get some assurances we will seek outside

1186
02:18:53,221 --> 02:18:56,156
opinion for the rest of the process? Can you support that idea? >> for review of these specific

1187
02:18:59,693 --> 02:19:03,631
awards? >> for review of >> these contracts that's what the concern is. I would support

1188
02:19:10,137 --> 02:19:10,137
a third-party opinion at the direction of general counsel to

1189
02:19:15,976 --> 02:19:18,545
find somebody to do that because we have that power in their office to find someone to review the contracts.

1190
02:19:22,684 --> 02:19:22,684
>> or let the treasurer pick the outside council.

1191
02:19:27,188 --> 02:19:27,188
>> I want to let the attorneys. >> can we do that with this

1192
02:19:34,295 --> 02:19:38,032
agenda item? >> we can pay but if you want to do that and bring it back , happy to look at it for the

1193
02:19:42,570 --> 02:19:42,570
specifics. >> so there's peace of mind .

1194
02:19:47,441 --> 02:19:47,441
the motion is to pay the agenda items as stated by the auditor

1195
02:19:55,116 --> 02:19:55,116
based on insight opinion from the civil division. How is that?

1196
02:20:00,921 --> 02:20:00,921
how would you like it to be? >> sorry. We have not completed

1197
02:20:08,663 --> 02:20:08,663
the audit of the invoices because we were at a standstill

1198
02:20:14,535 --> 02:20:14,535
as to whether they were procured under law. I will present

1199
02:20:20,609 --> 02:20:23,678
invoices from these contracts in the weekly disbursement for approval. And then the court will take the item and approve

1200
02:20:29,917 --> 02:20:29,917
the invoices and then the treasurer once approved

1201
02:20:33,922 --> 02:20:33,922
disperses it so if you try to take action on a outside opinion

1202
02:20:39,628 --> 02:20:39,628
that is a different matter. For me I am informing the court that

1203
02:20:46,702 --> 02:20:46,702
based on this legal opinion and the reason for outside opinion

1204
02:20:51,239 --> 02:20:51,239
is sometimes the auditor and insight attorney do not agree

1205
02:20:57,212 --> 02:20:57,212
and there've been times with the previous attorney , we

1206
02:21:01,550 --> 02:21:01,550
agreed to disagree. So when the auditor does not agree than the

1207
02:21:07,389 --> 02:21:07,389
auditor has a avenue to go to the attorney general. The

1208
02:21:11,426 --> 02:21:15,230
auditor's office is one that can request attorney general opinion. This is more contract law, not as far as I don't know

1209
02:21:23,205 --> 02:21:23,205
what the attorney general would say but this is contract law. So

1210
02:21:33,615 --> 02:21:35,817
once we look at first obama contracts were there? There were eight, two terminated. We have made payments already because I

1211
02:21:37,853 --> 02:21:37,853
did not have knowledge of what happened so we have made

1212
02:21:43,892 --> 02:21:43,892
payments to some of the vendors for this work but as soon as I

1213
02:21:49,031 --> 02:21:49,031
found out now I have this responsibility to determine can

1214
02:21:53,368 --> 02:21:53,368
I actually audit and approve the payment based on the situation

1215
02:21:58,874 --> 02:21:58,874
that happened so initially I might do we need someone to

1216
02:22:06,081 --> 02:22:09,585
review? Internal? Internal has reviewed. I agree with the internal opinion . But it is not just me, I understand the court

1217
02:22:21,062 --> 02:22:23,999
and the treasurer would like outside opinion that would be the motion and I would have to ask jordan if that is within the

1218
02:22:27,369 --> 02:22:27,369
posting because I tried to make it to talk about the invoice and

1219
02:22:32,107 --> 02:22:35,712
contracts and if that's what the court wanted. >> to restate that is this worded in a way to make a motion

1220
02:22:41,350 --> 02:22:44,787
to seek outside opinion for this effort for the treasurer request? >> I do not think this item is

1221
02:22:48,624 --> 02:22:48,624
sufficient enough to come out with that sort of action and I

1222
02:22:54,530 --> 02:22:57,099
will note if the majority of the court once outside opinion on the same issue that the office analyzed that will provide the

1223
02:23:00,570 --> 02:23:00,570
treasurer with no more coverage than the opinion already

1224
02:23:05,174 --> 02:23:05,174
received just to be clear. >> right.

1225
02:23:10,547 --> 02:23:13,182
>> do we need to take action on this item? >> this, like she explained will process payment bring to court

1226
02:23:19,822 --> 02:23:19,822
for disbursement and we go to the treasurer after that.

1227
02:23:25,028 --> 02:23:25,028
>> under whatever item? >> and then we can bring

1228
02:23:31,534 --> 02:23:31,534
something back from outside. >> if that is with the court

1229
02:23:37,174 --> 02:23:40,943
desire is the court wants to reanalyze the same thing we analyzed I don't think that provides a more coverage or the

1230
02:23:44,413 --> 02:23:44,413
county with more coverage from what you already have and

1231
02:23:48,918 --> 02:23:48,918
additionally if the court doesn't want to rely on the

1232
02:23:56,026 --> 02:23:56,026
internal opinion with the proper people to choose the law firm?

1233
02:24:01,297 --> 02:24:01,297
>> that's why I was saying , we wanted a true outside opinion.

1234
02:24:09,139 --> 02:24:09,139
>> I guess the proper question is what is the goal of hiring

1235
02:24:16,746 --> 02:24:16,746
outside opinion? >> measure twice, cut once.

1236
02:24:21,784 --> 02:24:23,920
>> what do we do if we're wrong? >> we take corrective action based on that.

1237
02:24:27,824 --> 02:24:31,795
>> we pick our favorite attorney then. >> anything else? This goes nowhere except?

1238
02:24:38,635 --> 02:24:38,635
>> to payment. >> that's the direction you

1239
02:24:45,542 --> 02:24:45,542
feel pay it. >> it will be paid whether or

1240
02:24:51,348 --> 02:24:51,348
not dispersed is the secondary thank you.

1241
02:24:56,486 --> 02:24:56,486
>> then we have j 20.

1242
02:25:10,800 --> 02:25:14,404
discussion and possible action to include the county administrator, the transportation director, and commissioner hammer on all selection or review committees for all contracts and budget items related to the

1243
02:25:15,472 --> 02:25:15,472
transportation department >> I am trying to stay sensitive

1244
02:25:21,378 --> 02:25:21,378
and respectful and not over do any sharing although it is a

1245
02:25:27,017 --> 02:25:27,017
duty it is my job most people do so we currently have an interim

1246
02:25:34,725 --> 02:25:34,725
director of transportation which we love and voted for and fully

1247
02:25:38,728 --> 02:25:38,728
support. Thank you. There is a concern and they will leave out

1248
02:25:47,037 --> 02:25:47,037
names. Of what we are doing so it is important to us and to me

1249
02:25:54,311 --> 02:25:54,311
because I have the capacity to include myself in it. To have

1250
02:25:59,784 --> 02:25:59,784
until we get a permanent declared director , the

1251
02:26:03,988 --> 02:26:03,988
sufficient structure defendable oversight of future contracts

1252
02:26:12,930 --> 02:26:12,930
dealing with transportation because we have second to best

1253
02:26:19,503 --> 02:26:19,503
credit rating there's only one better. You had a previous

1254
02:26:23,641 --> 02:26:23,641
presentation. We are looking for north of $100 millionin

1255
02:26:28,145 --> 02:26:31,983
vertical certificates of obligation. We are paving literally paving the way for almost half 1 billion in road

1256
02:26:36,921 --> 02:26:40,658
bonds which certificates of obligation have been sold on that front. All of these things just to name a few are at risk

1257
02:26:45,462 --> 02:26:45,462
if we don't do a good job of not only doing things right, but

1258
02:26:50,301 --> 02:26:50,301
when we don't, calling them out intelligently and completely so

1259
02:26:56,707 --> 02:26:56,707
we can be trusted, transparency. Yes it sounds weird but we need

1260
02:27:02,113 --> 02:27:02,113
transparency even when it does not feel right or good so

1261
02:27:06,818 --> 02:27:06,818
that's the reason I created this. We have a real issue and

1262
02:27:15,494 --> 02:27:18,063
this would help me as the chief executive of the county to feel better moving forward until we are done with this. Are you okay

1263
02:27:20,498 --> 02:27:22,901
with this? >> I will say first of all thank you. I appreciate you thinking I would be a good fit for doing

1264
02:27:26,604 --> 02:27:26,604
this. I will say we have another agenda item to address that, I

1265
02:27:32,544 --> 02:27:35,680
know your concern is making sure things are done in the proper way and there is an agenda item on here that does hold

1266
02:27:40,652 --> 02:27:44,355
accountability toward commissioners whenever they choose certain things with justification. I do want to

1267
02:27:48,059 --> 02:27:48,059
bring that item up as well but I also don't want to be the

1268
02:27:53,265 --> 02:27:53,265
person, I'm not going to know commissioner ingalsbe projects.

1269
02:27:57,702 --> 02:27:57,702
>> this is a temporary condition as short-lived as we can make

1270
02:28:03,175 --> 02:28:06,912
it. Short of voting no on everything in the moment until things are resolved I thought this was the way to keep things

1271
02:28:11,683 --> 02:28:15,119
moving. My aim is to keep things moving. >> for sure, same here. Can we open another item?

1272
02:28:18,757 --> 02:28:18,757
>> yes we can. >> I think it is 19. J 19.

1273
02:28:26,331 --> 02:28:26,331
>> please open j 19 at the same time. I promise we will get to

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02:28:31,269 --> 02:28:34,173
yours. >> discussion and possible action to amend the interim selection process regarding any proposed contracts related to professional engineering

1275
02:28:35,474 --> 02:28:37,809
services; utility coordination services; construction, engineering, and inspections services; and land surveying services to streamline the process.

1276
02:28:51,056 --> 02:28:51,056
>> you understand to keep the public moving we have another

1277
02:28:56,962 --> 02:28:56,962
leg we can talk about now. There is real concern. Trying as

1278
02:29:03,969 --> 02:29:06,672
peacefully as I can to say things but there is a concern with the process with the black eye we have developed to key

1279
02:29:11,143 --> 02:29:14,213
people in those spaces making new decisions. >> let's talk about that process because whenever we did

1280
02:29:17,983 --> 02:29:20,285
the qualifications, the qualification of the engineering firms those are not tainted those are done correctly and

1281
02:29:25,057 --> 02:29:25,057
professionally and what we can use moving forward. It is the

1282
02:29:29,662 --> 02:29:32,231
pool in question that we are trying to mitigate right? So the pool if we do away with the pool which I think we can do, but we

1283
02:29:37,869 --> 02:29:41,474
have the qualifications each commissioners they will all be given the same qualifications from each engineering firm then

1284
02:29:45,945 --> 02:29:45,945
we have a justification piece that each commission will have

1285
02:29:50,883 --> 02:29:54,454
to submit on why they chose the firm and if they were the most qualified. For each of those projects so that's the account

1286
02:29:58,324 --> 02:29:58,324
ability piece that we can hold and we can use the

1287
02:30:03,196 --> 02:30:06,065
qualifications submitted and keep moving forward making sure the justifications there. >> does that make sense to you?

1288
02:30:10,536 --> 02:30:10,536
does not flow? Honestly, there's a lot going on. How

1289
02:30:18,077 --> 02:30:20,747
about commissisake of everyone can you restate one more time? >> keeping qualifications the

1290
02:30:23,917 --> 02:30:26,120
same from each of the engineering firms because those were in good faith in good order. Removing the pool so now

1291
02:30:30,557 --> 02:30:33,861
those scoring that's nonexistent so each qualification is commissioner they will see the same

1292
02:30:37,597 --> 02:30:41,369
qualifications from each firm and for prospective precincts will pick the most qualified which can be most qualified for

1293
02:30:45,273 --> 02:30:45,273
various reasons but we can pick the most qualified and have the

1294
02:30:49,610 --> 02:30:52,513
justification form that determines why they are the most qualified so the accountability piece for each commissioner to

1295
02:30:56,617 --> 02:30:59,052
make sure they're choosing firms in good faith and good order are from the justification piece. That is legal.

1296
02:31:03,556 --> 02:31:03,556
>> that might be a question for jordan. The law as qualified you

1297
02:31:09,362 --> 02:31:09,362
have the reason why they are qualified and from my aspect

1298
02:31:15,136 --> 02:31:18,605
auditing I will look at the justification form that shows they were qualified by the individuals who are responsible

1299
02:31:25,246 --> 02:31:28,382
and determine whether a contract is procured and approved by court and then submit it for approval.

1300
02:31:34,756 --> 02:31:34,756
>> we are after the same exact thing so that's why opening

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02:31:39,527 --> 02:31:39,527
these together is no problem. I see you as a ally in the goal

1302
02:31:45,032 --> 02:31:48,435
someone else say something on the side? What else? >> I think that would be the fastest way to move everything

1303
02:31:52,407 --> 02:31:55,543
forward without having to have a interim process of three different people because I'm not going to tell them.

1304
02:31:59,013 --> 02:31:59,013
>> it is an awkward place we have been. I have never been

1305
02:32:04,151 --> 02:32:04,151
here and neither have you. >> stephanie hunt purchasing

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02:32:08,322 --> 02:32:08,322
agent. Since the court deemed the pool to be terminated I do

1307
02:32:14,762 --> 02:32:14,762
not feel comfortable with you guys utilizing the proposals

1308
02:32:19,533 --> 02:32:23,437
submitted because by you guys terminating you are saying it's not valid. So that is why we came up with the vendor

1309
02:32:28,376 --> 02:32:28,376
selection for so the gec we pay to help select who helps work

1310
02:32:35,383 --> 02:32:35,383
with commissioners to determine who is the best qualified person

1311
02:32:40,355 --> 02:32:40,355
firm to do whatever job is needed and there's a lot of

1312
02:32:44,391 --> 02:32:47,562
things that will go into that depending on qualifications, job requirements, the amount of projects that the existing firm

1313
02:32:52,634 --> 02:32:52,634
has. Those go into play when they select who they feel is the

1314
02:32:57,205 --> 02:33:01,175
best qualified who can do the job we need them to do. This is to streamline so we don't have to go pick three firms, do a

1315
02:33:05,647 --> 02:33:05,647
mini procurement as far as scoring. 2254 government code

1316
02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:13,120
2254 professional services says we have to pick the most

1317
02:33:18,026 --> 02:33:21,162
qualified it does not say we have to do formal procurement we have to pick the most qualified and bring contract back to

1318
02:33:24,733 --> 02:33:24,733
court. So this form helps streamline the process for the

1319
02:33:29,971 --> 02:33:29,971
commissioners to start moving forward with those projects. So

1320
02:33:36,144 --> 02:33:36,144
there is no further delay until the new pool is brought back to

1321
02:33:41,283 --> 02:33:43,919
court for the award and hopefully if everything goes right and everybody can clear calendars and work through it

1322
02:33:47,756 --> 02:33:50,926
that will be the beginning of february. >> we hear that commissioner hammer and I we are in the same

1323
02:33:56,598 --> 02:33:56,598
page keeping projects moving, paying workers doing the work

1324
02:34:01,036 --> 02:34:04,572
and isolating the problem so could we talking out loud could we pulled the two that were treated differently out and keep

1325
02:34:11,747 --> 02:34:13,882
moving with everybody until that gets resolved? >> the two should abandon the pool?

1326
02:34:18,720 --> 02:34:18,720
>> the two scored 100 . >> no.

1327
02:34:23,058 --> 02:34:23,058
>> we pulled out the review four scoring and he did not change

1328
02:34:28,363 --> 02:34:31,033
the pool. >> my question is to keep things moving leaving those in or taking them out does that help

1329
02:34:34,537 --> 02:34:34,537
in any way? >> because you voted to

1330
02:34:38,640 --> 02:34:38,640
terminate it is done. So a lot of these selections brought to

1331
02:34:44,179 --> 02:34:44,179
court they were brought back, they were brought to court in

1332
02:34:48,551 --> 02:34:48,551
january and february before the new pool was even awarded so a

1333
02:34:54,757 --> 02:34:57,827
lot of the selections and firms were already in the pool but the way we wrote this because we did it a little different and

1334
02:35:00,396 --> 02:35:04,333
combined multiple services into one all of the existing pools terminated when we awarded the pool so that's why that is a

1335
02:35:09,004 --> 02:35:12,174
little different, usually when we have a pool we open up yearly and it keeps growing and if you were awarded in 2022 you're

1336
02:35:17,078 --> 02:35:17,078
still in the pool unless we deem you unqualified and move you.

1337
02:35:22,117 --> 02:35:22,117
>> items that are open now acting on them would help you

1338
02:35:26,421 --> 02:35:26,421
keep the direct order of things and the oversight that you're

1339
02:35:33,662 --> 02:35:33,662
supposed to see? >> to help streamline the

1340
02:35:37,967 --> 02:35:41,704
selection process during the interim . >> that's my aim, literally my aim. So I guess we will not take

1341
02:35:48,845 --> 02:35:52,381
action county clerk. Not take action on the wording of mine and take action on the wording of commissioner hammer because

1342
02:35:55,185 --> 02:35:55,185
that is what is led to believe the conversation to keep things

1343
02:35:59,721 --> 02:36:03,126
moving most efficiently. Am I right? >> commissioner ingalsbe also, she has, she has waited in.

1344
02:36:09,331 --> 02:36:09,331
>> I would kind of reiterate some of the comments that were

1345
02:36:14,537 --> 02:36:14,537
made. We wanted to find a way to streamline the process after the

1346
02:36:20,009 --> 02:36:20,009
last meeting which time is a little confusing although we

1347
02:36:24,379 --> 02:36:24,379
cannot with a direction for staff. Thank you stephanie for

1348
02:36:30,787 --> 02:36:30,787
the work you did on that. You know, we met with our county

1349
02:36:34,924 --> 02:36:34,924
administrator, with purchasing, with legal, our auditor, budget

1350
02:36:42,499 --> 02:36:42,499
officer, we wanted to ensure we were covering every aspect and

1351
02:36:46,937 --> 02:36:46,937
we came out agreeing that this would be a good and legal

1352
02:36:51,841 --> 02:36:54,478
process to move forward to streamline the process so you know I am supportive of that. What we are calling the vendor

1353
02:37:00,016 --> 02:37:00,016
selection form I call the justification form because we

1354
02:37:05,088 --> 02:37:07,290
want to ensure selections are justified and they have qualifications and we will get help from our transportation

1355
02:37:11,928 --> 02:37:11,928
department if we so choose to go that route. Yeah, I support

1356
02:37:18,368 --> 02:37:21,972
moving forward with this for the interim process . >> perfect. I ask a list of folks that you guys met with to

1357
02:37:28,545 --> 02:37:28,545
create discomfort please include the treasurer since she is the

1358
02:37:34,217 --> 02:37:38,121
last line of defense so everyone will move together because if everyone is happy I'm done I check the box and go to the next

1359
02:37:41,024 --> 02:37:41,024
thing. I even ask my office I don't want to use the word

1360
02:37:45,595 --> 02:37:45,595
fraud. I work hard not to say fraud. Synonyms, cheating,

1361
02:37:49,666 --> 02:37:49,666
treachery, tricks, swindled, hustled, basically we remedy

1362
02:37:55,906 --> 02:37:55,906
abuse of power abuse of office that's what we are struggling

1363
02:38:01,511 --> 02:38:01,511
through. >> I would like.

1364
02:38:06,183 --> 02:38:09,886
>> restate your motion on the agenda item for the viewing public and we will vote. >> can I restate the process. I

1365
02:38:15,125 --> 02:38:15,125
just wanted to say I think this accomplishes the task we want to

1366
02:38:21,899 --> 02:38:24,401
make sure if there was a selection or ever is in the future made not in good faith that you can have what was your

1367
02:38:28,438 --> 02:38:28,438
justification and this is why they were most qualified. We

1368
02:38:34,044 --> 02:38:37,748
have a better understanding why we chose each month. >> after commissioner smith's comments please restate.

1369
02:38:41,419 --> 02:38:41,419
>> I agree with commissioner hammer, with commissioner

1370
02:38:47,625 --> 02:38:47,625
ingalsbe I think this is much better more well thought out

1371
02:38:54,165 --> 02:38:57,201
than what we went through with my direction last time I will be the first to admit. In working with staff that is what we came

1372
02:38:59,770 --> 02:39:03,573
up with at the time. I think this is a much more clear process. I will say judge on your item and I know we are not

1373
02:39:08,512 --> 02:39:11,149
going to vote on it but I think there are some assumptions we need to clarify for the public because by law another

1374
02:39:16,687 --> 02:39:16,687
commissioner or we are currently, we operate as a

1375
02:39:22,760 --> 02:39:22,760
county under texas local government code and specific to

1376
02:39:28,099 --> 02:39:28,099
the transportation code title vi roadway subtitle c roads and

1377
02:39:33,605 --> 02:39:33,605
bridges chapter 252 systems of county road administration

1378
02:39:37,675 --> 02:39:37,675
subchapter a road commissioner system under that system we

1379
02:39:43,014 --> 02:39:43,014
individually are responsible for every decision , laying out of

1380
02:39:50,721 --> 02:39:50,721
the roadways, determination of condition, determination of

1381
02:39:55,593 --> 02:39:58,396
improvement, character work to be done the selection and the draining all of those things construction and changing the

1382
02:40:00,631 --> 02:40:00,631
road buildin of bridges and roadways. All of those we are

1383
02:40:05,036 --> 02:40:05,036
statutorily mandated to do within the precinct. So, there

1384
02:40:11,342 --> 02:40:11,342
is no way, understate law I can designate those decisions to a

1385
02:40:19,083 --> 02:40:19,083
party outside of my office. I just want to clarify. It would

1386
02:40:23,621 --> 02:40:23,621
be the same as judicial duties you do as a judge saying I will

1387
02:40:28,960 --> 02:40:28,960
designate it to another judge by whatever statute you have to do

1388
02:40:34,265 --> 02:40:34,265
in your court so I want to clarify. Moving forward with the

1389
02:40:38,804 --> 02:40:38,804
agenda item as drafted by commissioner ingalsbe and

1390
02:40:42,807 --> 02:40:42,807
commissioner hammer get us there , but even if we wanted to go

1391
02:40:48,647 --> 02:40:48,647
with the option you laid out we couldn't statutorily.

1392
02:40:53,351 --> 02:40:57,089
>> I appreciate the clarification effort. I have this belief that we as a court , not to beat a dead horse. So, if

1393
02:41:09,068 --> 02:41:09,068
you see the court as the buck stops here as we saw on paying

1394
02:41:16,107 --> 02:41:19,278
people we have the responsibility and it is our duty, but we have department heads that do the work and where

1395
02:41:24,049 --> 02:41:28,019
the final approval. In the crafting of the item it is for you to be final approval of but the legwork would be done by

1396
02:41:31,956 --> 02:41:31,956
others that was the intent. Your agenda item j 19. We are voting

1397
02:41:39,131 --> 02:41:39,131
on j 19. Parting words? >> I had a clarification or

1398
02:41:45,837 --> 02:41:49,175
wanted clarification. This is the process we will follow until the pools are awarded but there were prior selections made under

1399
02:41:53,779 --> 02:41:53,779
the other pool and those are not brought forward, they can be

1400
02:41:58,016 --> 02:42:00,385
brought forward with the interim process. >> I was going to restate the process, any selections

1401
02:42:06,025 --> 02:42:06,025
previously made are no land void so they have to follow the

1402
02:42:10,096 --> 02:42:10,096
process so any projects that need to move forward before the

1403
02:42:15,901 --> 02:42:18,738
new pool is awarded will follow this process. The commissioner will work with transportation, to figure out the most qualified

1404
02:42:24,043 --> 02:42:24,043
person to perform the job . They will fill out the form and place

1405
02:42:30,383 --> 02:42:30,383
an item on the agenda to have the court approve a selection so

1406
02:42:35,755 --> 02:42:35,755
they will fill out the form. It will be on the agenda, they will

1407
02:42:41,527 --> 02:42:44,163
come to court, approve selection of the firm for the job, the court will approve and they move forward with contract

1408
02:42:48,601 --> 02:42:51,370
negotiations and bring contract back to court. >> thank you for the recap the restating is perfect. J 19

1409
02:42:57,843 --> 02:42:57,843
please call the roll. >> commissioner hammer yes,

1410
02:43:03,282 --> 02:43:04,517
commissioner ingalsbe yes, commissioner smith yes, commissioner cohen I recuse myself , judge becerra yes.

1411
02:43:08,654 --> 02:43:08,654
>> as promised continue the flow and I will add j 17 because I

1412
02:43:14,394 --> 02:43:14,394
can see your. Next was j 12.

1413
02:43:24,136 --> 02:43:27,673
discussion and possible action regarding the removal of unauthorized publications, newsstands, and/or other solicitations or advertisements from the hays county historic courthouse and any other county facilities.

1414
02:43:31,244 --> 02:43:35,114
>> so moved. >> second. >> motion and second commissioner smith please

1415
02:43:36,716 --> 02:43:40,420
explain. >> absolutely judge. My phone just died and I pulled up an email I wanted to share with the

1416
02:43:45,191 --> 02:43:48,627
court. I assume a number of folks on the court I assume this was a blind carbon copy. I received an email this previous

1417
02:43:54,467 --> 02:43:54,467
week from hays county first are there any public comments?

1418
02:44:00,740 --> 02:44:00,740
before we start? >> you are right. Thank you very

1419
02:44:07,747 --> 02:44:07,747
much, goldstar. Individuals signed up to speak and I am so

1420
02:44:12,886 --> 02:44:16,823
interested because I have people texting me to keep moving that I was already moving leaving that peace out. J 12 . We have some

1421
02:44:26,599 --> 02:44:26,599
individuals signed up to speak. They are written?

1422
02:44:32,506 --> 02:44:32,506
>> maybe one person. >> good catch commissioner,

1423
02:44:38,778 --> 02:44:38,778
thank you. Did somebody show up? There it is I just found it.

1424
02:44:50,257 --> 02:44:50,257
anita collins please take three minutes to tell us your

1425
02:44:56,029 --> 02:44:58,131
thoughts. >> hi I am a founding member for the indigenous community and I'm a member of the historical

1426
02:45:03,204 --> 02:45:03,204
commission of hays county. Agenda item j 12 suggests

1427
02:45:08,408 --> 02:45:11,178
unauthorized publication news stands and other solicitations or advertisements need to be removed from county facilities.

1428
02:45:15,315 --> 02:45:15,315
we know you only mean one publication and one facility.

1429
02:45:20,555 --> 02:45:20,555
the caldwell hayes examiner and hays county courthouse. How do

1430
02:45:26,627 --> 02:45:29,162
you define unauthorized publication? Let's start with that. You cannot seriously suggest the commissioners court

1431
02:45:32,966 --> 02:45:32,966
now decide on item by item basis what is authorized or

1432
02:45:37,271 --> 02:45:37,271
unauthorized and what is to be displayed or removed from public

1433
02:45:41,809 --> 02:45:45,679
facility. Every brochure offered outside of commissioner commissioner ingalsbe or the county judge's office need to

1434
02:45:49,317 --> 02:45:49,317
be approved by the commissioners court before display? Doing so

1435
02:45:54,889 --> 02:45:57,858
could impact the timely distribution of information and resources to our community dealing important updates and

1436
02:46:03,330 --> 02:46:03,330
services to residents. Will every postcard or fire

1437
02:46:08,435 --> 02:46:08,435
advertising the museum or the lbj museum or courthouse event

1438
02:46:14,175 --> 02:46:16,677
now need to be approved by commissioners court before displaying? These are not just advertisements they are vital

1439
02:46:19,447 --> 02:46:19,447
expressions of our communities rich history and culture, their

1440
02:46:23,785 --> 02:46:23,785
removal would be loss to our collective identity. Will every

1441
02:46:29,323 --> 02:46:32,294
fire displayed outside of the veteran service office now need to be approved by commissioners court? Sometimes requiring a

1442
02:46:36,997 --> 02:46:36,997
wait time of two weeks before it can offer needed services to

1443
02:46:41,168 --> 02:46:44,973
veterans? This delay would be frustrating and harmful to those who rely on those services. I find the proposal to remove

1444
02:46:50,077 --> 02:46:50,077
unauthorized publication should be utterly ridiculous. It is

1445
02:46:54,983 --> 02:46:58,654
clear this is not the real issue at hand. I believe a member of the historic commission pressure due commissioner smith to block

1446
02:47:01,989 --> 02:47:01,989
the caldwell hayes examiner newsstand outside of the museum

1447
02:47:06,661 --> 02:47:06,661
exhibit. This newspaper reports on history and future of

1448
02:47:11,899 --> 02:47:15,036
indigenous mexican american and african-american people in our county. A very wise woman

1449
02:47:21,443 --> 02:47:21,443
produced gave an analogy of racism. She said and I'm

1450
02:47:27,115 --> 02:47:27,115
paraphrasing that racism is like garlic. Once you have had a

1451
02:47:31,886 --> 02:47:31,886
taste of it you recognize it. This agenda item reeks of garlic

1452
02:47:35,924 --> 02:47:35,924
as the nationwide attempt to silence, erase and rewrite

1453
02:47:41,997 --> 02:47:45,333
history sadly out of our control preventing the same in hays county is in your control. Vote against this effort to silence

1454
02:47:50,038 --> 02:47:50,038
the press and silence history, thank you.

1455
02:47:54,542 --> 02:47:58,013
>> well done thank you very much. Did anyone else sign up that is here for public agenda comments? It is your turn.

1456
02:48:05,587 --> 02:48:05,587
>> we have emailed public comment from dr. Mario garza and

1457
02:48:12,394 --> 02:48:12,394
understand that commissioner smith is introducing discussion

1458
02:48:16,465 --> 02:48:19,068
and possible action regarding removal of unauthorized publication at the courthouse. We have determined this item

1459
02:48:25,073 --> 02:48:27,443
specifically is aimed at the nonprofit publication of caldwell hayes examiner. Placing editions outside of the door the

1460
02:48:30,446 --> 02:48:30,446
exhibit the past within us. A project of the council for

1461
02:48:34,950 --> 02:48:37,953
indigenous community are determination is based on the fact that some members of the hays county historical

1462
02:48:42,858 --> 02:48:45,728
commission complained about the placement of the publication which is appropriately about our community and extension of the

1463
02:48:52,367 --> 02:48:56,138
cultural experience we offered to visitors. Setting aside hostility that we endorse since the establishment because people

1464
02:48:58,707 --> 02:49:01,644
were not properly represented by the hays county historical commission the action of removing publication from the

1465
02:49:05,446 --> 02:49:09,051
courthouse is a first amendment issue, the caldwell hayes examiner is an alternative media outlet centered on issues of

1466
02:49:13,789 --> 02:49:13,789
justice and equality. The same issues that directly impact and

1467
02:49:20,362 --> 02:49:20,362
concern indigenous communities this media outlet is essentially

1468
02:49:24,467 --> 02:49:27,737
the voice of our people which would be silenced by citizens who have prompted commissioner smith to champion their cause.

1469
02:49:32,608 --> 02:49:32,608
in this moment in history nationwide credible media

1470
02:49:45,021 --> 02:49:48,391
outlets are replaced with propaganda and people are being erased from monuments, textbooks, expressions of culture and language historical accounts now from the hays

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02:49:49,726 --> 02:49:53,496
county courthouse. We urge county commissioners to stand up for freedom of expression, the voice of the indigenous and freedom of the press in hays county. Next is from

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02:50:01,537 --> 02:50:01,537
san marcus she writes when accepting to serve as a hays

1473
02:50:05,976 --> 02:50:05,976
county commissioner we were asked to raise our right hand

1474
02:50:11,248 --> 02:50:14,651
and pledge oath to protect, preserve and present historical findings and research. I'm disappointed with the behavior

1475
02:50:18,320 --> 02:50:22,091
of certain alumni commissioners perhaps a workshop would address the agenda to clarify the role of the assigned commission code

1476
02:50:25,895 --> 02:50:25,895
of conduct and modern technology with freedom of of expression

1477
02:50:30,467 --> 02:50:30,467
threatened. Next one is from gina rogers in san marcus, she

1478
02:50:36,939 --> 02:50:39,342
writes honorable hays county judge and commissioners we understand today commissioner smith has sponsored gym 12 a

1479
02:50:44,381 --> 02:50:46,716
discussion and possible action regarding removal of authorized publication of the courthouse and other public places, in may

1480
02:50:50,553 --> 02:50:50,553
the hays county historical commission chair complained to

1481
02:50:55,125 --> 02:50:58,294
the general counsel office to force the removal from the courthouse of the newspaper the caldwell hayes examiner. A hays

1482
02:51:04,801 --> 02:51:04,801
county news outlet, the headline at the time was organizers of

1483
02:51:08,972 --> 02:51:10,807
the sacred springs powwow indigenous cultures institute reclaimed their language and later did a local landmark get

1484
02:51:18,248 --> 02:51:18,248
built by enslaved labor, both articles are relevant to hays

1485
02:51:23,687 --> 02:51:23,687
county history. Members have informed a complaint to the

1486
02:51:29,693 --> 02:51:29,693
general counsel office which was filed the past within us open to

1487
02:51:36,900 --> 02:51:39,336
seeking the removal of the newspaper and its historical reference to indigenous history we cannot, nor should we return

1488
02:51:42,372 --> 02:51:42,372
to a day when hays county history is silenced. We are

1489
02:51:49,146 --> 02:51:51,148
witnesses to a nationwide attempt to silence, controlthe narrative and rewrite history nothing this is nothing more

1490
02:51:54,551 --> 02:51:54,551
than an attempt to control the narrative of what will be

1491
02:51:59,323 --> 02:52:00,925
displayed in public places we ask you recognize the efforts to silence history and vote no. The last one is from lisa pruitt in

1492
02:52:06,863 --> 02:52:06,863
san marcus , I am writing to express strong opposition to the

1493
02:52:11,200 --> 02:52:14,905
proposed removal of the hays caldwell examiner from the county courthouse the presence of local press outlet is vital

1494
02:52:19,977 --> 02:52:21,712
not only for maintaining transparency, but also for ensuring the community remains informed about important issues

1495
02:52:24,415 --> 02:52:27,185
that affect the lives of governance and history the freedom of press is a cornerstone for democracy

1496
02:52:30,687 --> 02:52:30,687
serving as a check on power and voice for the public. By

1497
02:52:38,396 --> 02:52:40,498
removing the hays caldwell examiner from his location we wrist silencing a platform that holds local government

1498
02:52:43,434 --> 02:52:43,434
accountable with reports on often silence history and

1499
02:52:48,672 --> 02:52:48,672
fosters community engagement. I urge the court to reconsider the

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02:52:53,810 --> 02:52:56,213
decision and to support the presence of local publications in the courthouse let us stand together to protect the rights

1501
02:52:58,082 --> 02:53:00,785
of the press and uphold commitment to open government censorship freedom of speech is a slippery slope let's not get

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02:53:04,955 --> 02:53:08,125
caught in the landslide thank you for your attention to this matter. >> two things were quick and

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02:53:13,631 --> 02:53:16,267
then I will give it to commissioner smith. First thing because I know these people. Some of them are crazy and some

1504
02:53:18,669 --> 02:53:18,669
of them are my dear friends and some are my dear friends because

1505
02:53:22,973 --> 02:53:22,973
they are crazy. Absolutely and in return some of them hate me

1506
02:53:27,378 --> 02:53:27,378
and that's okay. I have been married about to be 33 years and

1507
02:53:32,817 --> 02:53:32,817
I always say it's okay to disagree and stay together.

1508
02:53:37,221 --> 02:53:41,125
it's okay if we don't see eye to eye on every single thing ever smell time. That is human nature otherwise we would be

1509
02:53:45,297 --> 02:53:45,297
clones. The first piece I would like to share is has managed

1510
02:53:51,068 --> 02:53:51,068
more recently than anything to create a lot of tension and

1511
02:53:58,542 --> 02:54:00,611
hostility in certain spaces and I want to let people know because I know all these people the caldwell hayes examiner are

1512
02:54:07,952 --> 02:54:07,952
two independent separate like oil and water organizations and

1513
02:54:14,225 --> 02:54:17,361
they have nothing to do with each other. Because some of the friends were friends over here and they went to the same party

1514
02:54:22,567 --> 02:54:22,567
and you know how that goes. People think they are the

1515
02:54:27,939 --> 02:54:27,939
caldwell hayes examiner and that is not true, there totally apart

1516
02:54:33,678 --> 02:54:33,678
and separate. Do I get a knot on that okay good. In the second

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02:54:39,718 --> 02:54:39,718
piece, it is. >> can we focus on the agenda

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02:54:45,824 --> 02:54:49,661
item? >> it will be a worthy second. The second piece about the communication of this

1519
02:54:52,263 --> 02:54:52,263
publication unless it's not about the examiner is this about

1520
02:54:56,568 --> 02:54:56,568
the caldwell hayes examiner? >> it is specifically right now

1521
02:55:00,806 --> 02:55:00,806
but this is a much more broad topic and we want to talk about

1522
02:55:06,511 --> 02:55:08,613
the actual agenda item. >> thank you for trying to be the chair. You can run for the office later.

1523
02:55:13,384 --> 02:55:15,954
>> let's find a different word choice to frame it because that's pretty aggressive. I'm not offended I am use to your

1524
02:55:19,090 --> 02:55:19,090
choice, but go back to you and speak it then. Go for it.

1525
02:55:24,163 --> 02:55:24,163
>> sorry if I offended you by my word choice , but we should,

1526
02:55:28,968 --> 02:55:32,904
none of what you said at anything specific to do with the agenda item. >> it is purely because I agree

1527
02:55:36,709 --> 02:55:36,709
it is a targeted agenda item so I wanted to lay some groundwork

1528
02:55:42,247 --> 02:55:46,218
so clearly error go ahead. >> if there was a thrifty nickel stand down there, if there was the san marcus newspaper in this

1529
02:55:52,124 --> 02:55:52,124
building we actually got a request and I'm happy to read

1530
02:55:57,028 --> 02:55:57,028
the request. >> you don't have to.

1531
02:56:01,333 --> 02:56:01,333
>> I am happy to to clarify. I got a request from the chair of

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02:56:06,238 --> 02:56:09,208
the historic commission about this sanctity of the courthouse and in doing so I reached out to general counsel because I wanted

1533
02:56:12,511 --> 02:56:15,981
clarification. I do stand for the first amendment and anyone in here should have the ability if we allow one viewpoint into

1534
02:56:19,785 --> 02:56:19,785
the courthouse we should allow all the problem becomes whenever

1535
02:56:25,057 --> 02:56:25,057
you allow everything and anything what does that do to

1536
02:56:29,628 --> 02:56:29,628
the historic courthouse? That is my issue. We cannot prohibit

1537
02:56:34,967 --> 02:56:34,967
anyone if we allow one that's the way it is. I'm not just

1538
02:56:41,206 --> 02:56:41,206
talking about the courthouse, I'm talking about the

1539
02:56:45,277 --> 02:56:48,314
government center the precinct 4 building. Where two years ago a thrifty nickel stand did show up and we removed it because we

1540
02:56:51,984 --> 02:56:51,984
have a policy and at that time I reached out to previous general

1541
02:56:56,088 --> 02:56:56,088
counsel and he clarified some things. Related to that and

1542
02:57:00,759 --> 02:57:00,759
whenever this was brought up I wanted verification and asked

1543
02:57:05,364 --> 02:57:08,401
for opinion from the general counsel office. The opinion I got and I'm happy to share this with anybody on the court. The

1544
02:57:15,408 --> 02:57:17,676
newspaper continued presence raises a number of legal questions. First hays county is bound by the first amendment.

1545
02:57:20,746 --> 02:57:20,746
not to engage in viewpoint discrimination. If hays county

1546
02:57:25,118 --> 02:57:28,021
agrees to display newspaper in the courthouse in keeping with obligation to avoid engaging in viewpoint discrimination hays

1547
02:57:30,956 --> 02:57:30,956
county would be obligated to permit the display of other on

1548
02:57:36,262 --> 02:57:38,298
equal or substantially equal terms and conditions regardless of the content. Obviously this can lead to undesirable outcomes

1549
02:57:42,868 --> 02:57:42,868
such as clutter, changes to the overall aesthetic, increased

1550
02:57:49,309 --> 02:57:51,678
maintenance, cleanup and physical encroachment impacting accessibility and title ii of the ada amendment . Additionally

1551
02:57:56,549 --> 02:57:56,549
the display exposes hays county to potential establishment

1552
02:58:01,755 --> 02:58:01,755
clause litigation. Furnishing space in the courthouse to

1553
02:58:05,825 --> 02:58:05,825
private entity indicates texas local government code sections

1554
02:58:10,397 --> 02:58:10,397
263.001 , lease by auction, 263.007 lease by sealed bid

1555
02:58:18,405 --> 02:58:18,405
proposal and in this context less relevant article 3 section

1556
02:58:23,610 --> 02:58:23,610
52 prohibition of expenditure public funds for private

1557
02:58:27,648 --> 02:58:27,648
purposes. Fourth potential for litigation of misuse on public

1558
02:58:32,419 --> 02:58:32,419
property under 39.02 a of the texas penal code additionally

1559
02:58:39,059 --> 02:58:39,059
fifth the newspaper and newsstand continued presence

1560
02:58:44,297 --> 02:58:44,297
violates paragraph d 13 of the hays county property use policy

1561
02:58:50,537 --> 02:58:54,342
which states soliciting charitable donations contributions or collecting private debt on county property is prohibited. Commercial soliciting, vending and

1562
02:58:57,878 --> 02:58:57,878
advertising on county property is prohibited except in event

1563
02:59:01,981 --> 02:59:05,886
approved by commissioners court. In light of these issues the office recommends removing the news stand and returning to its

1564
02:59:10,023 --> 02:59:10,023
owners. Additionally, the one thing that really concerns me is

1565
02:59:17,063 --> 02:59:17,063
it is a venue and it is actively soliciting for a candidate adds

1566
02:59:26,339 --> 02:59:26,339
which is fine. They can do that any paper can do that. We cannot

1567
02:59:32,212 --> 02:59:35,950
display legally in addition to the things pointed out to display or have legal advertisement in our offices or

1568
02:59:40,988 --> 02:59:40,988
in the courthouse. At a coffee mug with my campaign logo on it

1569
02:59:46,827 --> 02:59:46,827
and I called for clarification can I keep that in my office and

1570
02:59:51,631 --> 02:59:55,535
the answer is no. So there are other issues and we are talking about the hays caldwell examiner because that's the one doing

1571
02:59:59,306 --> 03:00:03,176
it. If there was any other we would be doing the same thing. So that is what I want for clarification that's where I am

1572
03:00:08,649 --> 03:00:08,649
at and again this was at the request of the historic mission.

1573
03:00:13,253 --> 03:00:13,253
>> with what you read private entity was the description. As a

1574
03:00:18,592 --> 03:00:18,592
nonprofit is that considered non-entity?

1575
03:00:24,699 --> 03:00:27,435
>> it can be depending on what entity but typically a nonprofit would be a private entity. I did not catch in one regard.

1576
03:00:32,340 --> 03:00:32,340
>> explaining as a private entity having space on

1577
03:00:37,212 --> 03:00:37,212
government property so my question was this nonprofit

1578
03:00:41,615 --> 03:00:45,352
obligation is it considered private entity? It is not governmental. >> it likely would be, yes sir.

1579
03:00:50,324 --> 03:00:54,094
>> so you are then asking for the court to either greenlight let's go to the extreme klansman material if they bring

1580
03:00:59,667 --> 03:00:59,667
it alongside caldwell hayes examiner material if it deemed

1581
03:01:06,408 --> 03:01:09,711
the conversation to take place? That's what you're asking the court to decide? >> under property use policy we

1582
03:01:14,082 --> 03:01:17,552
don't allow. So I'm not asking to greenlight anything. I'm just asking to enforce current property use policy.

1583
03:01:21,556 --> 03:01:21,556
>> or amend. >> of the court chooses to amend

1584
03:01:28,396 --> 03:01:31,199
, you can see my concerns because I am not comfortable with, it's easier to say no to everything and that's the

1585
03:01:35,803 --> 03:01:35,803
viewpoint of the county what it has been for I'm not sure when

1586
03:01:41,042 --> 03:01:44,880
the property use policy was done because it was at least eight years ago before us. So I don't know , I don't know a better

1587
03:01:50,118 --> 03:01:50,118
way to address it given the concerns raised. Maybe somebody

1588
03:01:55,056 --> 03:01:55,056
else has a better option, but . >> commissioner ingalsbe would

1589
03:02:02,363 --> 03:02:02,363
you like to weigh in? Sorry, your next. I go in pattern I

1590
03:02:06,868 --> 03:02:10,404
will go this way and then I will go that way and then this way so no one feels picked on. >> I was wondering and I guess

1591
03:02:17,512 --> 03:02:17,512
jordan this is a question for your. So if the publication is

1592
03:02:23,018 --> 03:02:23,018
an exhibit inside the department or the office , you know they

1593
03:02:31,259 --> 03:02:31,259
have the door you have to enter it. So if it is displayed inside

1594
03:02:37,867 --> 03:02:37,867
as part of the exhibit is that still creating the concern that

1595
03:02:43,071 --> 03:02:46,575
we have to allow every publication the opportunity to have their paper in the courthouse?

1596
03:02:51,413 --> 03:02:51,413
>> what I would say is for the apartment or that area of the

1597
03:02:56,685 --> 03:03:00,489
building still within the county building let's say it is department a if department a is having in the office space in

1598
03:03:05,426 --> 03:03:08,797
their part of the building it is a part it is the county building and it should be come one come all . I would not focus on the

1599
03:03:15,938 --> 03:03:15,938
location within the building per se. But, come one, come all

1600
03:03:20,509 --> 03:03:20,509
would still apply.

1601
03:03:29,751 --> 03:03:29,751
>> okay. >> want to echo or weigh in? I

1602
03:03:35,791 --> 03:03:35,791
believe this is the government of , by and for the people. I

1603
03:03:41,931 --> 03:03:45,001
say this all the time I represent from the immigrant that just arrived 10 minutes ago to the person sitting in the

1604
03:03:50,639 --> 03:03:54,477
jail, the person walking in heb all the way to the furthest extreme I would use it again for the heck of it, the klansman. I

1605
03:03:59,848 --> 03:03:59,848
am everyone's county judge whether they like it or not so I

1606
03:04:03,953 --> 03:04:07,389
try my best to always remember that. If you have a beating heart in hays county I am your county judge so I try to shake

1607
03:04:12,127 --> 03:04:12,127
my looking glass around that reality. My first aim is sure if

1608
03:04:17,166 --> 03:04:17,166
you have got something worthy that you want to share with the

1609
03:04:22,004 --> 03:04:22,004
public, sure. I have jehovah's witness coming out here, the

1610
03:04:26,876 --> 03:04:29,579
lighting of the menorah, the lighting of the christmas trees and everything else . Sure. So the way I see it, let's modify

1611
03:04:38,087 --> 03:04:41,157
when we are doing to allow freedom of speech in a time where entire networks are being pocketed so let's see what

1612
03:04:47,863 --> 03:04:51,133
happens. We can change our mind and say this turn into a snowball we don't like cancel them all but at this moment and

1613
03:04:54,136 --> 03:04:57,773
time I think we should say sure, come one come all. >> I guess if we are going to do that and I am not opposed , I

1614
03:05:03,679 --> 03:05:03,679
would like to see where would we consider even placing the

1615
03:05:07,984 --> 03:05:07,984
publications? I can see if we do it downstairs we already have

1616
03:05:14,357 --> 03:05:14,357
displays. I don't want to clutter what we are trying to

1617
03:05:20,229 --> 03:05:23,366
display. If we put it outside. Who is going to maintain it? And we have a lot of if I make the statement nobody , I'm not

1618
03:05:31,908 --> 03:05:31,908
talking against anyone, but we have a lot of people that visit

1619
03:05:36,613 --> 03:05:36,613
our local establishments downtown and some of them at

1620
03:05:43,620 --> 03:05:43,620
times get a little rowdy. I don't know if we had them

1621
03:05:48,257 --> 03:05:51,060
outside would that cause a lot of later because they will come in and so if we are even considering doing this which

1622
03:05:55,532 --> 03:05:55,532
I'm not opposed to I would like for us to take the time to

1623
03:06:00,137 --> 03:06:03,539
determine where the locations would be, how they would be maintained and think through it a little bit more.

1624
03:06:06,644 --> 03:06:06,644
>> we can simply say because a museum is a perfect place to

1625
03:06:11,615 --> 03:06:11,615
share perspective and share ideas when I first became county

1626
03:06:15,952 --> 03:06:15,952
judge I could be wrong but I walked numerous times there were

1627
03:06:22,459 --> 03:06:26,130
no minority representations in that museum. That's a great place to share ideas so we can simply for starters amend we

1628
03:06:30,801 --> 03:06:30,801
know this. We can create a tape section to say we will give a

1629
03:06:36,106 --> 03:06:36,106
three-foot section on this wall for anyone that's all you get.

1630
03:06:41,478 --> 03:06:41,478
and you guys can talk about it, something else can be created

1631
03:06:47,084 --> 03:06:49,319
for policy or we can dedicate indoors where it's esy here's a place where the standard first come first serve.

1632
03:06:53,190 --> 03:06:53,190
>> with that, we can comply. >> we haveto do everyone.

1633
03:07:01,332 --> 03:07:04,668
>> you do everyone but this is a designated footprint. >> arguably the footprint would be large enough to accommodate

1634
03:07:08,839 --> 03:07:08,839
anyone and everyone interested. >> although I think that is

1635
03:07:14,579 --> 03:07:18,348
unrealistic and that is a good shutdown argument. We cannot put a 18 wheeler in the building that's how I see that response

1636
03:07:23,721 --> 03:07:23,721
so I support letting everyone and anyone in a designated

1637
03:07:29,159 --> 03:07:29,159
space, whether a board on the wall or a table whatever we

1638
03:07:33,464 --> 03:07:33,464
decide we have the capacity we don't have to say everyone is

1639
03:07:37,835 --> 03:07:37,835
everyone now I sit on top of the newspaper stand I don't buy it.

1640
03:07:42,139 --> 03:07:42,139
whatever you want to do I follow you. Commissioner.

1641
03:07:47,645 --> 03:07:47,645
>> I would personally like staff and I'm looking at you,

1642
03:07:53,217 --> 03:07:53,217
candace. To evaluate the policy. To see what other counties are

1643
03:07:58,456 --> 03:07:58,456
doing to accommodate those requests. I definitely don't

1644
03:08:04,361 --> 03:08:04,361
want to invite what I would consider hate speech into a

1645
03:08:09,166 --> 03:08:09,166
building. And that is my fear with that proposal is that might

1646
03:08:15,006 --> 03:08:15,006
do that. What I would really love is for us to take a look at

1647
03:08:20,846 --> 03:08:20,846
some options near that we could choose from that seems more

1648
03:08:27,652 --> 03:08:27,652
reasonable. I don't know about let everyone in I think that is

1649
03:08:34,092 --> 03:08:38,062
opening up some doors that we don't want to face. So I think maybe talking to see what other counties are doing to address

1650
03:08:45,637 --> 03:08:45,637
that in historical buildings to bring back some options that

1651
03:08:50,676 --> 03:08:50,676
way.

1652
03:08:54,813 --> 03:08:56,615
>> commissioner hammer. >> I think from a legal perspective what can we do or what can we do can we designate

1653
03:09:00,952 --> 03:09:03,688
space is that not okay we need to know from a legal perspective what the options are because we cannot make a decision without

1654
03:09:06,558 --> 03:09:06,558
all of the prior knowledge. Difference of opinion sure bring

1655
03:09:12,097 --> 03:09:12,097
it but when it comes with hate speech there's no place for

1656
03:09:20,205 --> 03:09:20,205
that. >> 100% like free speech in a

1657
03:09:25,944 --> 03:09:27,445
crowded movie theater fire that's not free speech. We agree will take no action at this moment in time come back

1658
03:09:32,150 --> 03:09:34,853
for legal opinion? What are you thinking? >> I am fine with that but I will tell you until we make a

1659
03:09:39,791 --> 03:09:39,791
decision, I believe we are violating the law. And I want to

1660
03:09:45,931 --> 03:09:48,033
hear from our general counsel because now again we are allowing one voice and until we make a decision in this we want

1661
03:09:53,238 --> 03:09:53,238
to remove temporarily until we figure out what the path forward

1662
03:09:57,976 --> 03:09:57,976
is we are still violating the law .

1663
03:10:03,147 --> 03:10:07,119
>> jordan can you weigh in? Commissioner smith is asking for your legal opinion. >> in the interim county

1664
03:10:11,456 --> 03:10:14,861
administrator and different options bringing back options to the court allowing one and not all does put us at some risk.

1665
03:10:22,768 --> 03:10:22,768
>> we told someone you can't? >> I don't know anyone asked.

1666
03:10:27,506 --> 03:10:29,474
>> so I don't know about the claim. >> it is not the claim if we choose to prohibit anyone else

1667
03:10:34,647 --> 03:10:34,647
or if we choose when we were the other we thereby light current

1668
03:10:41,119 --> 03:10:41,119
policy and we say we want a plan so we won't approve any more

1669
03:10:45,891 --> 03:10:45,891
until we do the plan we're running a file ourselves and

1670
03:10:50,830 --> 03:10:50,830
running afoul of the law in one of the cases so again especially

1671
03:10:56,803 --> 03:10:56,803
on the political advertising I think that's a problem for me.

1672
03:11:01,708 --> 03:11:01,708
I will use an example for example right now I can pull up

1673
03:11:07,647 --> 03:11:07,647
the facebook page from september 1. Let me finish please add for

1674
03:11:14,687 --> 03:11:14,687
october print edition start at $50 candidates or you as

1675
03:11:19,258 --> 03:11:19,258
supporters have until nine 15 to reserve space so I know they are

1676
03:11:23,797 --> 03:11:27,067
actively soliciting for political advertising and that is a problem if we have them here and we don't do that for

1677
03:11:32,171 --> 03:11:35,441
others. >> I have an option for a quick. I have faith in you. It won't take that long to come up with

1678
03:11:39,746 --> 03:11:39,746
an opinion for us to work with jordan to see what you recommend

1679
03:11:44,284 --> 03:11:47,353
other counties doing on this front for news stands on the courthouse grounds. What I think , this will be a great

1680
03:11:51,390 --> 03:11:51,390
opportunity to see what come all looks like and we leave it alone

1681
03:11:57,196 --> 03:11:57,196
know it is publicized. Because what's coming is an opinion

1682
03:12:01,234 --> 03:12:01,234
from you guys and if it becomes terrible the sky is falling

1683
03:12:06,072 --> 03:12:06,072
scenario and that's where we say we have the example of chaos

1684
03:12:11,878 --> 03:12:11,878
and calamity because that can happen. Chaos and calamity. In

1685
03:12:16,482 --> 03:12:19,318
the meantime we can leave it alone and leave come one come all until you bring back the opinion and if you have to call

1686
03:12:23,457 --> 03:12:26,927
an emergency meeting because there's 3000 newspaper stands we can do that. I propose we leave it alone until we get a

1687
03:12:33,366 --> 03:12:37,203
legal opinion. >> if we leave alone we are in violation. >> no because your come one come

1688
03:12:39,140 --> 03:12:39,140
all you're not. >> then we need to change the

1689
03:12:44,110 --> 03:12:46,079
policy. >> the strongest legal footing is in accordance with policy not allowing anything until a new

1690
03:12:49,349 --> 03:12:49,349
updated policy comes forth, come one come all his general. You

1691
03:12:53,787 --> 03:12:57,458
get into a slippery slope there would be some parameters to put in place for example place, equal access for people to be

1692
03:13:04,063 --> 03:13:04,063
able to place publications and put out new issues or new

1693
03:13:09,035 --> 03:13:09,035
pamphlets. All of those things would need to be involved in a

1694
03:13:13,674 --> 03:13:13,674
policy so come one come all is very general. You do start , you

1695
03:13:18,712 --> 03:13:22,449
need to get into for their analysis if it is to come one come all scenario. Sorry. >> you are good. I do not mean

1696
03:13:28,822 --> 03:13:28,822
to cut you off. Okay sorry. So until we get the policy candace

1697
03:13:39,799 --> 03:13:39,799
and jordan should we ask veteran services to take things down

1698
03:13:46,139 --> 03:13:46,139
that are not directly government printed and do we ask signs that

1699
03:13:53,313 --> 03:13:56,150
are not completely court approved to come off the walls? Where do we go with this to be in legal compliance?

1700
03:13:58,886 --> 03:13:58,886
>> sure for example if it is in relation to a county event or a

1701
03:14:03,524 --> 03:14:03,524
vaccination clinic or something like that or if it is a pamphlet

1702
03:14:08,128 --> 03:14:11,799
from a consultant or vendor I don't know what is outside of veteran services to be fair I don't know what they have up

1703
03:14:15,602 --> 03:14:15,602
there. If it is not authorized in one way shape or form for the

1704
03:14:21,141 --> 03:14:21,141
court and I think that should be removed if it was placed there

1705
03:14:26,547 --> 03:14:30,451
by someone coming in the building for a meeting I don't know what's out there right now.

1706
03:14:32,119 --> 03:14:32,119
>> who will evaluate that? I know there are pamphlets, some

1707
03:14:37,491 --> 03:14:37,491
are for county services which they are okay. Just saying.

1708
03:14:44,631 --> 03:14:44,631
>> that is a slippery slope I am mentioning.

1709
03:14:51,972 --> 03:14:54,441
>> come one come all seems easiest until you come back with an opinion is why I say that. In other words leave everything

1710
03:15:00,114 --> 03:15:02,383
alone until we get your direction. That's my approach. >> everything alone would be the prohibition on anything. That's

1711
03:15:07,021 --> 03:15:07,021
what policy currently says. >> we need to establish good

1712
03:15:15,496 --> 03:15:18,266
policy is going to protect us in every situation. So we follow with the current policy is, bring a new policy that's good

1713
03:15:20,501 --> 03:15:22,937
and move forward. >> that's right. >> what is your timeline do you think?

1714
03:15:25,940 --> 03:15:25,940
>> I believe we can bring something back maybe the first

1715
03:15:33,415 --> 03:15:33,415
meeting in december or november bring an update back to the

1716
03:15:38,086 --> 03:15:41,990
court where we are what we found in the research we can do that. >> don't be duped by arguments that treat this like a poll site

1717
03:15:46,593 --> 03:15:46,593
because next thing you hear is you are wearing a shirt that

1718
03:15:51,299 --> 03:15:51,299
offends me. You cannot wear that shirt you have to cover it up.

1719
03:15:58,406 --> 03:16:01,876
that has been a slippery slope in our elections some judges are forcing people cover certain things that are totally legal

1720
03:16:05,413 --> 03:16:05,413
freedom of speech stuff so we have a history of putting our

1721
03:16:13,788 --> 03:16:15,923
thumb on the scales when it comes to communication so that's why I am for be uniform so that's cool. What we will do

1722
03:16:21,363 --> 03:16:24,600
at this moment and time based on the conversation is ask it to be removed ? >> until we get policy and if we

1723
03:16:30,405 --> 03:16:33,608
find policy bring it back. Right now we are in violation of the law or the existing policy and I have recommendation from our

1724
03:16:37,646 --> 03:16:37,646
general counsel office for removal. And request from the

1725
03:16:42,584 --> 03:16:42,584
historic society and that's the reason I brought this.

1726
03:16:55,464 --> 03:16:57,431
>> we please approach the putting because this becomes a court of record for life. You will be old and in a wheelchair

1727
03:17:00,902 --> 03:17:03,338
or rocking chair or whatever you want and this will be recorded. Show your grandkids what you are saying please.

1728
03:17:09,811 --> 03:17:09,811
>> managing editor with the caldwell examiner. On the

1729
03:17:14,750 --> 03:17:16,017
concern about political advertisements we have only brought issues that cover local news. Or local history october

1730
03:17:23,925 --> 03:17:26,595
history does not have any local history so we did not bring the october issue only those that cover local history because it

1731
03:17:29,665 --> 03:17:29,665
aligned with the work. Our october issue has political ads.

1732
03:17:37,839 --> 03:17:40,641
if you go downstairs october is not in the stand it is our august issue. That covers some historical significance under

1733
03:17:43,679 --> 03:17:43,679
threat so I wanted to clarify there are no papers downstairs

1734
03:17:48,918 --> 03:17:48,918
with political advertisements. >> thank you for taking that

1735
03:17:53,021 --> 03:17:53,021
clarification point and my habit and I have to do it with sam who

1736
03:17:59,828 --> 03:18:02,264
works for the caldwell hayes examiner she said they only bring print next to the historic commission's indigenous

1737
03:18:10,472 --> 03:18:10,472
commission museum that has historical significance they do

1738
03:18:17,246 --> 03:18:17,246
not bring it they take it upon themselves to self govern and do

1739
03:18:21,283 --> 03:18:21,283
not bring things other than cultural significance and only

1740
03:18:25,988 --> 03:18:29,159
bring publications that support the message is that right? >> to date that's what we have been doing.

1741
03:18:32,528 --> 03:18:32,528
>> perfect thank you so much. >> as a point for the for the

1742
03:18:39,235 --> 03:18:39,235
organization. If there are articles that are of importance

1743
03:18:45,875 --> 03:18:45,875
that you all want to make sure to share and having a printout

1744
03:18:50,179 --> 03:18:50,179
of the article in your displays absolutely fine. Just the

1745
03:18:56,486 --> 03:18:56,486
article itself I don't think sharing of an article I don't

1746
03:19:01,491 --> 03:19:01,491
know I am asking I don't have a problem with that I have a

1747
03:19:06,729 --> 03:19:06,729
problem with solicitation portion .

1748
03:19:11,601 --> 03:19:11,601
>>

1749
03:19:21,310 --> 03:19:21,310
addressing the practicality of it and the practical sense is

1750
03:19:26,449 --> 03:19:29,319
the historical commission from day one did not want to have in their museum and exhibit that represented the community. From

1751
03:19:34,691 --> 03:19:34,691
day one and I can speak back until years ago when the exhibit

1752
03:19:39,829 --> 03:19:39,829
was when the actual newspaper article was placed in the

1753
03:19:45,168 --> 03:19:45,168
hallway that was the first thing they could point to to say we do

1754
03:19:51,408 --> 03:19:55,111
not want the newspaper in our hallway because this is our courthouse , well it is not our courthouse that museum and this

1755
03:20:01,551 --> 03:20:05,388
courthouse belongs to the people. I think it is offensive that you would think it is okay not to see the clear line

1756
03:20:09,326 --> 03:20:12,128
between one point to the other and address what you address today. That's all I have to say.

1757
03:20:14,765 --> 03:20:14,765
>> thank you. So just for clarification for the viewing

1758
03:20:20,136 --> 03:20:20,136
public sure, since since else approach the putting without my

1759
03:20:28,645 --> 03:20:29,880
direction you should do the same. >>

1760
03:20:34,517 --> 03:20:34,517
whole thing is the aesthetics of it. The newspaper stand does not

1761
03:20:41,925 --> 03:20:41,925
belong in the first floor of the courthouse it just doesn't and

1762
03:20:47,664 --> 03:20:47,664
I can see the chronicle. In fact I asked somebody at the library,

1763
03:20:51,769 --> 03:20:51,769
and in auto trader or apartments for rent or whatever it could

1764
03:20:58,008 --> 03:20:58,008
get out of control and it probably wouldn't and that is

1765
03:21:02,146 --> 03:21:02,146
the truth. And this has become a bigger issue and have a lot of

1766
03:21:09,453 --> 03:21:09,453
things and I have a lot of flaws but I'm not a racist and I take

1767
03:21:14,457 --> 03:21:14,457
umbrage to the max about how I am being discussed and pretrade.

1768
03:21:21,532 --> 03:21:21,532
and how our commission is being portrayed. This goes , there is

1769
03:21:26,870 --> 03:21:26,870
history here that has not been discussed that has nothing at

1770
03:21:30,974 --> 03:21:30,974
all to do with this newspaper and it has become , there is a

1771
03:21:35,413 --> 03:21:35,413
undercurrent here that should not be part of this discussion.

1772
03:21:40,551 --> 03:21:40,551
and, I am offended by the way it's being portrayed and I am .

1773
03:21:51,195 --> 03:21:51,195
I just, I don't even have words for how I am feeling right now

1774
03:21:57,068 --> 03:21:57,068
because I have served on the hays county commission for 23

1775
03:22:01,204 --> 03:22:01,204
years. Earlier, when people were getting service awards, do we

1776
03:22:08,045 --> 03:22:08,045
get service awards? Do we get a blanket? Do we get retirement?

1777
03:22:13,651 --> 03:22:13,651
we don't even get in a paycheck, but we put in hour

1778
03:22:18,189 --> 03:22:18,189
after hour after hour and yet we get slapped in the face when we

1779
03:22:22,760 --> 03:22:24,862
are trying to protect the building that is most prominent in our portfolio and it has nothing to do with , it has

1780
03:22:29,967 --> 03:22:33,304
nothing to do with the newspaper. It has to do with a newspaper stand in this historic building it's not appropriate,

1781
03:22:37,809 --> 03:22:37,809
that is the bottom line. >> so you are viewing as the

1782
03:22:44,282 --> 03:22:44,282
initiator , the rock is causing the concern so if it was placed

1783
03:22:48,686 --> 03:22:52,590
on a different surface? Would that change the perspective you're describing? Or just not here at all? I want to

1784
03:22:57,195 --> 03:23:00,532
understand your threshold. >> I don't think you should walk into the building and see newspaper stands.

1785
03:23:04,134 --> 03:23:07,004
>> if it were a different format? >> all the courthouse as I go into which has been dozens I

1786
03:23:11,743 --> 03:23:15,346
have never seen a newspaper stand not to say they are not there because when I was little the court houses had coffee

1787
03:23:19,317 --> 03:23:19,317
stands and newspaper stands and they were run by blind people as

1788
03:23:25,024 --> 03:23:27,926
part of the school for the blind thing so it's not that there is not history there but it is not normal now as far as I can tell.

1789
03:23:32,663 --> 03:23:32,663
>> so the presentation of the stand is when you are

1790
03:23:37,035 --> 03:23:37,035
discussing. Got it okay thank you. All right agenda item how

1791
03:23:43,275 --> 03:23:43,275
do you want to close it out? >> I don't know we have to take

1792
03:23:47,979 --> 03:23:47,979
formal action, but I do think until we have a formal policy

1793
03:23:53,118 --> 03:23:53,118
reader have to follow the policy and the law in place now or and

1794
03:24:00,426 --> 03:24:00,426
we ask it be removed until then and then we try to work

1795
03:24:05,497 --> 03:24:09,034
something out . I want a legal opinion where we can do something if that's the view of the court. I do think we have to

1796
03:24:14,906 --> 03:24:14,906
do something and again this is your view.

1797
03:24:20,246 --> 03:24:20,246
>> I would like to jordan and she has stated what we need to

1798
03:24:27,152 --> 03:24:27,152
do. I would say again. Jordan, could they put it inside the

1799
03:24:34,493 --> 03:24:34,493
office? For those that come and visit? It is out of sight from

1800
03:24:39,765 --> 03:24:39,765
the rotunda. >> all respect , legally the

1801
03:24:46,104 --> 03:24:46,104
location within the building doesn't make a difference .

1802
03:24:51,243 --> 03:24:51,243
legally if you're asking the cleanest legal option right now

1803
03:24:56,949 --> 03:24:56,949
is to remove the one that's there as we work on a policy to

1804
03:25:00,987 --> 03:25:00,987
see what's out there like you directed candace , that is the

1805
03:25:07,426 --> 03:25:07,426
cleanest legal decision . >> thank you.

1806
03:25:12,531 --> 03:25:12,531
>> we need to take action in one way or another to give direction

1807
03:25:17,970 --> 03:25:17,970
about that particular item that is in motion. What if we frame

1808
03:25:22,975 --> 03:25:22,975
your motion to have clear direction and you choose.

1809
03:25:31,450 --> 03:25:31,450
>> I think they have clear direction from all the court as

1810
03:25:35,788 --> 03:25:35,788
to what to come back with. I am seeing nods from both staff?

1811
03:25:40,726 --> 03:25:40,726
>> it is clear direction, but the stand down there now is

1812
03:25:47,366 --> 03:25:47,366
where I wanted clear directin. Do these ladies take the

1813
03:25:51,537 --> 03:25:51,537
newspaper piece when they leave or can it stay? That's what I

1814
03:25:55,808 --> 03:25:59,111
want direction from the court on. That's what I want to pinpoint. How about we go this way. For the sake of clarity and

1815
03:26:03,049 --> 03:26:03,049
then move on because I have a lot of stuff I'm trying to

1816
03:26:09,988 --> 03:26:11,991
cover. I move we temporarily allow the newspaper stand with the examiner focusing specifically on cultural issue

1817
03:26:13,993 --> 03:26:13,993
events remain on the first floor next to the museum.

1818
03:26:24,069 --> 03:26:27,940
I'm not getting a second I will wait a few more seconds just in case. That is it. Take away the rack and we will see you when we

1819
03:26:34,981 --> 03:26:38,651
see your. In the meantime come up with a policy and we will go on. >> sorry judge I don't know who

1820
03:26:42,321 --> 03:26:42,321
you are looking at. I was not sure if you are looking at me.

1821
03:26:46,927 --> 03:26:46,927
>> okay next as promised we're moving on to elections.

1822
03:26:52,465 --> 03:26:54,735
>> discussion and possible action to approve changes to election precincts resulting from redistricting maps approved

1823
03:26:58,304 --> 03:26:58,304
in the 89th legislature second special session.

1824
03:27:03,176 --> 03:27:06,246
>> so moved. >> second. >> motion and a second for j 4.

1825
03:27:14,154 --> 03:27:14,154
is she still here? There you are. I am sorry, you landed

1826
03:27:19,959 --> 03:27:19,959
right in for a second. I was looking for your. There is one.

1827
03:27:27,100 --> 03:27:27,100
we do have some . All right let's begin thank you for your

1828
03:27:35,175 --> 03:27:38,345
patience. I tried my best to speeded up. >> I appreciate it judge, thank you. Precincts of the basic

1829
03:27:45,152 --> 03:27:47,654
building blocks of every federal, state and county government jurisdiction. The issue of precinct redistricting

1830
03:27:53,394 --> 03:27:53,394
is driven primarily by voter growth. The upper limit is 5000

1831
03:28:00,267 --> 03:28:00,267
voters. In this case it's the result of a political maneuver

1832
03:28:04,371 --> 03:28:04,371
by donald trump and implement it by greg abbott with a

1833
03:28:12,946 --> 03:28:12,946
unquestioned republican majority in the texas legislature. Why

1834
03:28:17,351 --> 03:28:20,854
all the activity? Because the house of representatives will likely flip from republican to democratic in next year's

1835
03:28:24,358 --> 03:28:26,994
midterm elections so trump came up with a plan to stop this. He told greg abbott to grab five additional republican house

1836
03:28:30,430 --> 03:28:30,430
seats in next year's election. When the dust cleared the

1837
03:28:34,434 --> 03:28:34,434
democratic cd 35 was put on a stretcher and carried out of the

1838
03:28:38,939 --> 03:28:38,939
game republican cd 21 along with cd 27 another deep red district

1839
03:28:47,047 --> 03:28:50,685
that swooped into hays county from god knows where picked apart the bones of the hays county portion and the folks who

1840
03:28:55,990 --> 03:28:58,759
do the new congressional district maps like a bargain-basement utility crew did not take the time to learn

1841
03:29:02,697 --> 03:29:02,697
what was underneath before they started digging. They went

1842
03:29:06,801 --> 03:29:06,801
through a dozen voting precincts not around them. They created a

1843
03:29:11,038 --> 03:29:13,674
problem by cutting through underlying turf from other jurisdictions putting them in violation of state law that

1844
03:29:17,445 --> 03:29:17,445
prohibits any precinct any voting precinct from containing

1845
03:29:23,151 --> 03:29:25,353
parts of more than one congressional district when state senate district, one state house district, one commissioner

1846
03:29:28,789 --> 03:29:28,789
court precinct , one justice of the peace precinct or one state

1847
03:29:34,228 --> 03:29:34,228
board of education district . This exercise would've been a

1848
03:29:39,667 --> 03:29:39,667
breeze if the underlying jurisdictions were the same size

1849
03:29:44,106 --> 03:29:44,106
, the same shape and occupied the same geography of those that

1850
03:29:50,578 --> 03:29:50,578
got whacked , but they aren't. The slicing and dicing also cut

1851
03:29:56,518 --> 03:29:56,518
through underlyng jurisdictions caught in the crossfire. The

1852
03:30:02,624 --> 03:30:02,624
county's development services and election staff hustled to

1853
03:30:07,595 --> 03:30:07,595
repair the damage and redraw precincts so they complied with

1854
03:30:12,767 --> 03:30:12,767
the law and they understood the urgency. The filing period for

1855
03:30:18,339 --> 03:30:20,142
precinct chair candidates in the march primary is already underway and filing must reflect precincts as they

1856
03:30:23,482 --> 03:30:27,320
january, not as they exist today. Candidates filing for public office including county judge and precinct 2 and

1857
03:30:30,756 --> 03:30:30,756
precinct 4 commissioners begins in just over one week. A tight

1858
03:30:35,929 --> 03:30:35,929
election calendar likely makes it impossible to go back to the

1859
03:30:41,534 --> 03:30:44,437
drawing board at this late today but the members of this court and county voters deserve to know how this happened and who

1860
03:30:48,140 --> 03:30:48,140
is responsible. Thank you. >> most beautifully done, thank

1861
03:30:53,179 --> 03:30:53,179
you sir. And any more that are emailed on this agenda item?

1862
03:30:58,083 --> 03:31:01,155
that concludes this portion. Now if jennifer will approach the podium. >> yes, good afternoon.

1863
03:31:05,091 --> 03:31:05,091
hays county election administrator. You just heard

1864
03:31:09,161 --> 03:31:09,161
how we got here. What we are doing actually is not

1865
03:31:16,535 --> 03:31:20,206
redistricting. What we are doing as the court is enterin our election precincts are in compliance with the national

1866
03:31:22,776 --> 03:31:22,776
voter registration act. The same process you go through in

1867
03:31:28,548 --> 03:31:30,649
odd-numbered years in may and april but because of the restricted thing we are doing it twice this year so we can make

1868
03:31:34,053 --> 03:31:34,053
sure with the changes that was enacted into law in the second

1869
03:31:39,626 --> 03:31:39,626
special session that we are still in compliance so that's

1870
03:31:43,763 --> 03:31:43,763
what we are doing and it's very confusing to people because we

1871
03:31:47,834 --> 03:31:47,834
did this earlier in the year and they had not seen the maps yet

1872
03:31:52,105 --> 03:31:53,806
because they don't come into effect until after december runoff so now we are doing it twice and people have not caught

1873
03:31:56,442 --> 03:31:59,645
up with the changes yet so that's why this became a bigger issue last week. This what we are doing is meeting statutory

1874
03:32:05,552 --> 03:32:05,552
compliance for 2.031 of the election code making sure that

1875
03:32:11,691 --> 03:32:11,691
our election precincts are in compliance with changes. So we

1876
03:32:15,829 --> 03:32:15,829
did wait for two weeks to answer any questions. We did not get

1877
03:32:22,269 --> 03:32:22,269
any questions with the exception of the two from last week in

1878
03:32:26,339 --> 03:32:30,177
commissioners court. One from miss kathy thomas in regard to precinct 446 which these maps we have presented to you three

1879
03:32:37,016 --> 03:32:37,016
weeks ago from now fix the problem so that is not a problem

1880
03:32:43,657 --> 03:32:43,657
and 446 high point has been included in one precinct because

1881
03:32:48,294 --> 03:32:48,294
correct me if I'm wrong but the line has gone through the

1882
03:32:53,366 --> 03:32:53,366
neighboring neighborhood. >> real quick about questions

1883
03:33:00,006 --> 03:33:02,842
coming in I was the one who asked for a little more time for folks to review and they were to talk amongst themselves. If

1884
03:33:07,680 --> 03:33:07,680
something percolated from those conversations and the could

1885
03:33:12,619 --> 03:33:12,619
reach you, but they're working it out amongst themselves one

1886
03:33:16,823 --> 03:33:20,327
time to see and think about it so I don't want you to think since you got no questions or few questions that nobody paid

1887
03:33:25,399 --> 03:33:27,334
attention or it was not discussed. >> I think it is because it's very complex and a lot of people

1888
03:33:32,606 --> 03:33:35,442
don't know how to look at the maps because I'm not even a professional at it. If you have specific questions he can talk

1889
03:33:38,311 --> 03:33:38,311
with you about that. The other question last week ,

1890
03:33:45,319 --> 03:33:45,319
commissioner smith talked about the fact that district lines go

1891
03:33:49,590 --> 03:33:52,726
through there and some of the new district lines went through there so that's going to slice that up a little bit more to

1892
03:33:56,930 --> 03:33:56,930
meet compliance standards and one of the standards is

1893
03:34:01,201 --> 03:34:01,201
obviously the districts cannot overlap in a single precinct.

1894
03:34:06,573 --> 03:34:06,573
the more lines we get the more precincts we have to cut. Or

1895
03:34:11,679 --> 03:34:11,679
create. >> clarified that it is split

1896
03:34:15,850 --> 03:34:15,850
amongst esd districts, amongst school districts and split

1897
03:34:23,223 --> 03:34:23,223
coming the past amongst commissioner precinct. The last

1898
03:34:28,429 --> 03:34:28,429
redistricting round we unified the commissioner precinct.

1899
03:34:33,801 --> 03:34:33,801
>> center mentioning when this is done I would like to capacity

1900
03:34:40,341 --> 03:34:40,341
to zoom in to the I can see my have an understanding so they

1901
03:34:46,080 --> 03:34:46,080
know whether they choose or not that's up to them but we have

1902
03:34:53,687 --> 03:34:56,524
access for them to see where their voting, the maps they sit on and what precincts jurisdictions and boundary lines

1903
03:35:01,195 --> 03:35:01,195
they follow. As soon as you have them email me and I will

1904
03:35:05,933 --> 03:35:08,770
circulate them I will do my part. >> we have them , but can you just look for you have to have

1905
03:35:16,444 --> 03:35:16,444
special tools? >> gis manager. I was

1906
03:35:21,248 --> 03:35:24,819
responsible for the technical aspect of reconfiguring voting districts. We are public facing data for the precincts we're

1907
03:35:29,257 --> 03:35:29,257
just hesitant to put it out until they have been approved by

1908
03:35:33,494 --> 03:35:33,494
the court. >> I wanted to make access

1909
03:35:39,501 --> 03:35:39,501
available to the viewing public because that was one of the

1910
03:35:44,304 --> 03:35:44,304
pieces I heard , we cannot see and we don't know someone you

1911
03:35:51,079 --> 03:35:53,948
don't know the monster becomes bigger. There are no conspiracies but when we shine extra clear transparency and

1912
03:35:59,020 --> 03:35:59,020
light it sanitizes conspiracies. I want to ask john because he

1913
03:36:07,329 --> 03:36:07,329
has so much information , is there something we or I should

1914
03:36:13,935 --> 03:36:13,935
be asking that would satisfy the email you have been getting

1915
03:36:19,073 --> 03:36:21,943
because you have 10 times the questions I have received on this item. Sorry to do this do you mind approaching the podium

1916
03:36:25,881 --> 03:36:25,881
so it gets captured? >> the most important thing that

1917
03:36:31,820 --> 03:36:31,820
would help clarify this to voters and county residents is

1918
03:36:36,859 --> 03:36:36,859
the maps. I recognize there could be confusion if we post

1919
03:36:44,165 --> 03:36:44,165
them side-by-side with the existing maps, but care can be

1920
03:36:50,506 --> 03:36:50,506
taken to differentiate these sets of maps by what we post,

1921
03:36:57,679 --> 03:37:00,548
how we post it and what we say. I think that would let people know where they stand and give them the confidence and restore

1922
03:37:03,252 --> 03:37:06,655
faith in the system going forward. >> beautiful, thank you. I have to double check. Anything else

1923
03:37:11,627 --> 03:37:15,397
to add to that? Once we vote on these things email me nice high-resolution items or links so I can circulate them .

1924
03:37:21,737 --> 03:37:21,737
>> those maps have been created just waiting for the approval.

1925
03:37:26,809 --> 03:37:26,809
>> beautiful, anything else? >> thank you.

1926
03:37:30,946 --> 03:37:34,716
>> jennifer, final words? >> I have nothing else unless you have questions. >> perfect, no more questions

1927
03:37:39,154 --> 03:37:42,891
for jennifer. Vote to approve these changes and the maps will be emailed to me so I can circulate please call the roll.

1928
03:37:48,130 --> 03:37:50,966
>> commissioner hammer yes, commissioner ingalsbe yes, trend commissioner smith, yes, commissioner cohen yes, judge

1929
03:37:55,938 --> 03:37:55,938
becerra yes. >> update next we're going j

1930
03:38:00,810 --> 03:38:03,512
one and then 15 and then 17 and then recess. >> 21 discussion regarding the actions being taken by the

1931
03:38:08,383 --> 03:38:10,853
treasurer office to implement the upcoming currency changes. >> so moved. >> second.

1932
03:38:14,790 --> 03:38:14,790
>>

1933
03:38:19,995 --> 03:38:23,932
thought will go away now we are nickel for your thoughts. The trump administration has decided to remove the penny from

1934
03:38:29,372 --> 03:38:29,372
circulation. So all of us treasurers and tax assessors are

1935
03:38:34,043 --> 03:38:34,043
working on a new plan to update our currency and distribution

1936
03:38:38,681 --> 03:38:38,681
for how we deal with this. We have a meeting so I thought I

1937
03:38:44,687 --> 03:38:47,623
would come to see if you have questions you would like me to present two associations, this will affect everything. Taxes,

1938
03:38:52,261 --> 03:38:52,261
payroll, everything you can think of so our meeting is not

1939
03:39:00,470 --> 03:39:00,470
scheduled for another week so I wanted to give opportunity to

1940
03:39:04,507 --> 03:39:04,507
send questions you might have to me so I can ask questions, we

1941
03:39:08,511 --> 03:39:12,382
can develop a game plan and bring it back to you for review. That's why I am here. >> beautiful, wonderful thank

1942
03:39:15,718 --> 03:39:15,718
you. I really appreciate that. It is important in talking about

1943
03:39:19,855 --> 03:39:19,855
money movements through county or offices I want to take the

1944
03:39:24,093 --> 03:39:27,797
opportunity to say whatever we can do to make things more affordable for those people paying taxes or bills or court

1945
03:39:32,569 --> 03:39:32,569
fees and everything else, whatever we can do to keep it

1946
03:39:36,906 --> 03:39:36,906
easily accessible and broadly processed with lowest fees

1947
03:39:44,114 --> 03:39:47,283
possible is what I will always strive for. >> so, are you all going to discuss whether to rollout .

1948
03:39:56,360 --> 03:39:56,360
>> that's what the conversation basically is. Is the midline

1949
03:40:01,998 --> 03:40:01,998
probably three cents up, under three down, that's a

1950
03:40:06,903 --> 03:40:06,903
conversation we will host with all treasurers. We will come up

1951
03:40:11,241 --> 03:40:11,241
with some consensus to bring back as our grand package. I

1952
03:40:19,183 --> 03:40:22,153
wanted to give opportunity to provide me with questions you might have that I can ask because it is going to be a

1953
03:40:27,023 --> 03:40:27,023
little bit murky for all of us. That's why I came and put that

1954
03:40:31,128 --> 03:40:31,128
little bug in your ear no longer penny for your thought I will

1955
03:40:36,433 --> 03:40:38,234
ask for a nickel. >> that's going to be interesting when we get invoices. I guess firms or will

1956
03:40:42,706 --> 03:40:42,706
ever have to determine. >> not only that we have to look

1957
03:40:47,644 --> 03:40:51,214
at the budget. If we are rounding up that's going to increase expenses. If we are rounding down. Anyway there's a

1958
03:40:57,588 --> 03:40:57,588
lot. >> anything else to?

1959
03:41:02,059 --> 03:41:02,059
>> commissioners on the site? Thank you for that and if there

1960
03:41:07,532 --> 03:41:07,532
is a window to get rid of the nickel get rid of all coins. I

1961
03:41:11,635 --> 03:41:15,306
don't care. >> thank you very much. >> our auditor just had a stroke.

1962
03:41:20,710 --> 03:41:20,710
>> I know that does not happen. Now we are going j 15, 17 and a

1963
03:41:27,217 --> 03:41:28,786
break. >> j 17

1964
03:41:38,394 --> 03:41:41,899
discussion and possible action to approve a resolution expressing intent to reimburse the county for project expenditures for the acquisition, construction, reconstruction or renovation of county buildings, for

1965
03:41:43,301 --> 03:41:46,236
administrative offices, judicial facilities, public safety facilities, and an animal shelter and the acquisition of land or an interest in land necessary therefore in an amount

1966
03:41:48,472 --> 03:41:51,775
not to exceed $100,000,000 from proceeds of future tax-exempt obligations to be issued by the county. >> so moved. >> second.

1967
03:41:52,776 --> 03:41:52,776
>> someone signed up to speak. Looking for the form. In person

1968
03:41:57,615 --> 03:41:57,615
. Absolutely come on up. State your name and title for the

1969
03:42:02,787 --> 03:42:02,787
viewing public . >> sorry I did not fill out a

1970
03:42:07,858 --> 03:42:07,858
form. When them is kate johnson chair of the cleburne house

1971
03:42:14,665 --> 03:42:14,665
commission. It is a log house okay so I am here to

1972
03:42:22,874 --> 03:42:22,874
respectfully request support for funding the replacement of the

1973
03:42:27,344 --> 03:42:27,344
roof on the house. A very historic property owned by hays

1974
03:42:34,485 --> 03:42:38,155
county. We are seeking approval to move forward with a quote from on point roofing in the amount of $34,956.43. This is

1975
03:42:45,563 --> 03:42:45,563
not a routine maintenance request. This is an urgent and

1976
03:42:52,170 --> 03:42:52,170
essential reservation effort for one of our, one of hays county

1977
03:42:58,142 --> 03:42:58,142
most treasured historic sites. Constructed in 1850, the

1978
03:43:03,181 --> 03:43:03,181
cleburne house is a rare surviving example of a four pen

1979
03:43:10,688 --> 03:43:10,688
dog trot log home still standing on its original site. It is a

1980
03:43:17,161 --> 03:43:17,161
recognized national register of historic places listing. State

1981
03:43:22,166 --> 03:43:22,166
and to cody's landmark and a recorded texas historic

1982
03:43:28,006 --> 03:43:31,610
landmark. Few structures in the state carry all three of these honors. Today the house is closed to the public because of

1983
03:43:35,880 --> 03:43:35,880
the deteriorating condition of the wood shingle roof. Water

1984
03:43:41,520 --> 03:43:45,323
infiltration is threatening structural integrity of the building and placing this irreplaceable piece of our

1985
03:43:48,360 --> 03:43:48,360
county's history at risk. We understand that budgets are

1986
03:43:55,634 --> 03:43:55,634
tight, we don'tmake this request lightly. The urgency of

1987
03:44:00,772 --> 03:44:04,108
needed repairs combined with specialized nature of the historical restoration work makes it difficult to obtain

1988
03:44:11,315 --> 03:44:11,315
multiple quotes within a reasonable time frame. On point

1989
03:44:15,520 --> 03:44:15,520
roofing has the experience , availability and qualifications

1990
03:44:20,559 --> 03:44:20,559
to perform this work correctly and in line with preservation

1991
03:44:27,266 --> 03:44:27,266
standards. By proving this funding you're making an

1992
03:44:31,704 --> 03:44:31,704
investment in hays county heritage your help will support

1993
03:44:38,043 --> 03:44:38,043
an irreplaceable historical landmark protected from further

1994
03:44:42,248 --> 03:44:42,248
deterioration and allow it to once again serve as a cultural

1995
03:44:48,253 --> 03:44:48,253
and educational resource for the citizens of hays county and

1996
03:44:54,093 --> 03:44:57,263
future generations. Thank you for your time and your consideration. And your ongoing support of historic preservation

1997
03:45:01,800 --> 03:45:04,436
in hays county. >> beautiful , thank you, well done. Is the intent to replace with more wooden shingles?

1998
03:45:10,242 --> 03:45:13,812
>> yes. >> how long do they last? >> hopefully the rest of my life.

1999
03:45:16,482 --> 03:45:19,552
>> you can still outlive me so we can't really use that subjective quantitatively. >> I would think 75 years.

2000
03:45:23,089 --> 03:45:25,791
>> the wooden shingle has a 75 your life that's magnificent. >> I said the same thing. We went out and reviewed the log

2001
03:45:33,433 --> 03:45:33,433
house such an amazing piece of history. Claiborne kyle was the

2002
03:45:40,806 --> 03:45:40,806
reason why the city of kyle got its name. There was talks of the

2003
03:45:45,912 --> 03:45:48,547
city buying it but they wanted to move it because it's not in the city limits it is in the county so they wanted to move it

2004
03:45:52,017 --> 03:45:54,487
and that would've affected the integrity of the building. We are talking about miss johnson who comes in. She gives and

2005
03:45:59,525 --> 03:45:59,525
gives to us so this is the one thing she has been asked to ask

2006
03:46:04,597 --> 03:46:04,597
for the court. I know that they're doing some type of

2007
03:46:08,834 --> 03:46:08,834
grants to work on other areas that need help and preservation

2008
03:46:14,274 --> 03:46:17,143
so this is the ask from the county. >> yes. >> commissioners anything?

2009
03:46:20,279 --> 03:46:20,279
>> fully supportive. >> in there you go, thank you so

2010
03:46:26,019 --> 03:46:28,288
much. Please call the roll. >> commissioner cohen yes commissioner smith yes commissioner ingalsbe yes

2011
03:46:31,657 --> 03:46:31,657
commissioner hammer yes judge becerra yes.

2012
03:46:35,695 --> 03:46:35,695
>> 217 and then go on a break. >> very good 217 discussion and

2013
03:46:40,700 --> 03:46:44,504
possible action to approve resolution expressing intent to reimburse the county discussion and possible action to approve a resolution expressing intent to reimburse the county for project

2014
03:46:46,106 --> 03:46:50,043
expenditures for the acquisition, construction, reconstruction or renovation of county buildings, for administrative offices, judicial facilities, public project expenditures for the acquisition construction reconstruction or

2015
03:46:51,511 --> 03:46:55,047
renovation of county buildings for administered of offices judicial facilities, public safety facilites and animal shelter and acquisition of land or an interest of land necessary

2016
03:47:00,387 --> 03:47:02,922
therefore in amount not to exceed $100 million from proceeds of future task exempt obligations to be issued by the

2017
03:47:07,628 --> 03:47:11,297
county. >> so moved and second. >> would you like to frame this

2018
03:47:14,667 --> 03:47:14,667
one? >> good afternoon as mentioned

2019
03:47:25,979 --> 03:47:29,282
earlier in the presentation this item is to allow for the county to move forward with some of the priority projects identified

2020
03:47:33,620 --> 03:47:33,620
with the intention of reimbursing our general fund

2021
03:47:39,359 --> 03:47:39,359
with future debt proceeds. Russell have the bond council

2022
03:47:44,031 --> 03:47:44,031
that is here, she worked with general counsel to draft the

2023
03:47:48,267 --> 03:47:52,105
reimbursement resolution so if there are questions about specific language in the resolution she is here to answer

2024
03:47:55,742 --> 03:47:55,742
those questions. >> any questions for julie?

2025
03:47:59,980 --> 03:47:59,980
>> I would clarify in anticipation of 100 million in

2026
03:48:04,484 --> 03:48:04,484
spending on vertical we spent that in the underlying tax rate

2027
03:48:09,156 --> 03:48:09,156
for the year. >> yes. That is correct.

2028
03:48:13,627 --> 03:48:13,627
>> I know members of the court knew that but I wanted to make

2029
03:48:18,999 --> 03:48:20,300
sure the general public was aware. >> commissioners anything for julie you want to ask? Anything

2030
03:48:24,138 --> 03:48:24,138
on the site? We have beat this up well enough this will go out

2031
03:48:30,210 --> 03:48:33,514
for the viewing public. This will go out we will seek certificates of obligation well north of $100 million worth of

2032
03:48:36,850 --> 03:48:36,850
buildings , the priorities were mentioned in a earlier

2033
03:48:40,988 --> 03:48:40,988
presentation and this motion is , want to recap in a tidy way?

2034
03:48:49,663 --> 03:48:53,600
for the viewing public? Nongovernment talk. >> approve resolution with the intent to reimburse general fund

2035
03:48:58,773 --> 03:48:58,773
for any expenditures we may expense between now and issuance

2036
03:49:04,378 --> 03:49:04,378
of the future debt obligations included in our current tax rate

2037
03:49:10,818 --> 03:49:14,055
in the fy 26 budget. >> perfect. >> julie did you have anything you wanted to add?

2038
03:49:16,858 --> 03:49:16,858
>> making it tidy for reimbursement in the interim.

2039
03:49:22,830 --> 03:49:22,830
wonderful and thank you please call the roll.

2040
03:49:29,791 --> 03:49:29,791
>>> all right, here we go. Back from a short recess. People

2041
03:49:38,401 --> 03:49:38,401
wanted to do special things and they did them we are back let's

2042
03:49:43,472 --> 03:49:43,472
continue the operation. As we move on let's start right on

2043
03:49:50,613 --> 03:49:50,613
the roads. Who gave me this note by the way? Consider it done hi

2044
03:49:58,555 --> 03:49:58,555
four, five, seven and then the rest top to bottom. I four,

2045
03:50:07,029 --> 03:50:07,029
five, seven back up to one.

2046
03:50:15,671 --> 03:50:17,707
>> I 4. >>

2047
03:50:20,510 --> 03:50:23,246
discussion and possible action to authorize the execution of a professional services agreement between hays county and lja engineering, inc. To provide right of way acquisition

2048
03:50:24,814 --> 03:50:27,383
services for the fm 2001 gap safety improvements project in precinct 2 >> so moved.

2049
03:50:35,859 --> 03:50:38,961
>> second. >> motion and second and a catastrophe going on over there with our pio, just teasing.

2050
03:50:47,303 --> 03:50:49,239
>> the agreement for the right-of-way. >> please call the roll. >> commissioner smith yes,

2051
03:50:58,081 --> 03:50:59,416
commissioner cohen yes, commissioner ingalsbe yes, commissioner hammer yes, judge becerra yes, I-5.

2052
03:51:03,920 --> 03:51:06,923
>> discussion and possible action to authorize the execution of a professional services agreement between hays county and lja engineering, inc. To provide right of way

2053
03:51:08,925 --> 03:51:10,827
acquistion services for the yarrington road (rm150, fm 110) extension, segment 1 and segment 2 precinct 3 project.

2054
03:51:23,773 --> 03:51:25,408
>> so moved. >> second. >> commissioner hammer anything to add? All right.  Please call

2055
03:51:30,147 --> 03:51:30,147
the roll. >> commissioner hammer yes,

2056
03:51:37,887 --> 03:51:40,324
commissioner smith yes, commissioner ingalsbe yes, commissioner cohen yes, judge becerra yes. >> I 7

2057
03:51:42,659 --> 03:51:45,428
discussion and possible action to approve the selection of lja engineering, inc. To provide row coordination services for the darden hill road/cr 162 project in precinct 4; and authorize

2058
03:51:47,397 --> 03:51:47,397
staff and counsel to negotiate a contract.

2059
03:51:53,804 --> 03:51:53,804
>> so moved. >> second.

2060
03:52:00,678 --> 03:52:02,312
>> anything to add? >> the highest priority project in my precinct out of the ceos in front of the new high school.

2061
03:52:05,749 --> 03:52:05,749
>> commissioner smith yes, commissioner ingalsbe yes,

2062
03:52:13,490 --> 03:52:15,159
commissioner cohen yes, commissioner hammer yes, judge becerra yes. >> I 1 hold a public hearing

2063
03:52:20,597 --> 03:52:24,268
with possible action to establish a no parking zone along windy hill drive for the valor school. >> open this agenda item for public hearing anyone wishing to

2064
03:52:28,906 --> 03:52:28,906
speak for or against the agenda item please approach the podium.

2065
03:52:33,877 --> 03:52:33,877
I see no movement I will close the public hearing. Anyone else?

2066
03:52:40,550 --> 03:52:40,550
>> make a motion to establish a no parking zone along windy hill

2067
03:52:44,855 --> 03:52:44,855
drive for the valor school. >> second.

2068
03:52:54,131 --> 03:52:57,435
>> please call the roll. >> commissioner smith yes, commissioner cohen yes, commissioner ingalsbe yes, commissioner hammer yes, judge becerra yes.

2069
03:52:59,170 --> 03:53:01,505
>> I 2 discussion and possible action to call for public hearing november 18, 2025 to establish no parking zones

2070
03:53:04,608 --> 03:53:04,608
during specific times monday through friday from 6:45 a.m.

2071
03:53:09,347 --> 03:53:09,347
until 7:40 p.m. And 2:45 p.m. Until 3:30 p.m. Along tubman

2072
03:53:16,687 --> 03:53:16,687
drive smithsonian lane and niagara falls lane.

2073
03:53:21,192 --> 03:53:22,460
>> second. >> please call the roll. >> commissioner ingalsbe yes, commissioner hammer yes,

2074
03:53:26,097 --> 03:53:29,533
commissioner eight yes judge becerra yes >>

2075
03:53:33,937 --> 03:53:37,008
discussion and possible action to authorize the execution of a professional services agreement and work authorization #1 between hays county and hntb corporation for general engineer

2076
03:53:38,676 --> 03:53:38,676
consulting service related to road projects

2077
03:53:45,282 --> 03:53:48,252
identified in authorizing the sale of 2025 certificates of obligation during the september 30, 2025, commissioner court agenda item I-1, and authorize a discretionary exemption pursuant

2078
03:53:49,720 --> 03:53:49,720
to texas local governmnt code chapter 262.024 a4.

2079
03:54:02,300 --> 03:54:04,302
>> so moved. >> second. >> anything else to add? >> ready. Call the roll.

2080
03:54:15,880 --> 03:54:18,716
>> commissioner cohen yes, commissioner hammer yes, commissioner ingalsbe yes, commissioner smith yes, judge becerra yes. >> I-6 discussion and possible

2081
03:54:22,287 --> 03:54:24,289
action to authorize execution a professional services agreement between hays county and wsb llc to provide right-of-way

2082
03:54:30,761 --> 03:54:34,332
acquisition services for the old kyle road project precinct number three. >> so moved. >> second. >> commissioner ingalsbe yes,

2083
03:54:41,440 --> 03:54:44,175
commissioner smith yes, commissioner cohen yes, commissioner hammer yes, judge becerra yes. >> I-8.

2084
03:54:48,847 --> 03:54:51,950
discussion and possible action to approve the selection of right of way texas, llc to provide row coordination services for the goforth road project in precinct 1 and 2; and

2085
03:54:54,285 --> 03:54:54,285
authorize staff and counsel to negotiate a contract.

2086
03:54:59,824 --> 03:54:59,824
>> so moved and second please call the roll.

2087
03:55:08,467 --> 03:55:11,336
>> commissioner smith yes, commissioner hammer yes, commissioner cohen yes, commissioner ingalsbe yes, judge becerra yes. >> I-9.

2088
03:55:14,039 --> 03:55:16,841
discussion and possible action o to consider the release of the maintenance bond extension #61bsbid3153 in the amount of $80,548.01, and the acceptance of the roads into the county

2089
03:55:18,310 --> 03:55:18,310
road maintenance system for heaton hollow subdivision

2090
03:55:26,819 --> 03:55:26,819
>> so moved. Second. >> just like that your done

2091
03:55:32,691 --> 03:55:32,691
please call the roll. >> commissioner smith yes ,

2092
03:55:38,364 --> 03:55:41,066
commissioner hammer yes, commissioner ingalsbe yes, commissioner cohen yes, judge becerra yes. >> what else, aaron? >> j 9.

2093
03:55:51,176 --> 03:55:51,176
>> that go to j9. So I can kick erring out of here in a positive

2094
03:55:56,314 --> 03:55:58,784
way. Help aaron leave. >> discussion and possible action to amend the fee schedule for the transportation

2095
03:56:00,886 --> 03:56:00,886
department.

2096
03:56:08,693 --> 03:56:11,162
>> so moved. >> second. >> state your name and titles for the viewing public. >>

2097
03:56:14,333 --> 03:56:17,169
>> aaron jones interim director transportation. This agenda item is for fees for inspection work we do for subdivisions. Brandon

2098
03:56:24,877 --> 03:56:24,877
will be the best he has been working on it for quite a while.

2099
03:56:30,349 --> 03:56:30,349
>> beautiful, think it. >> construction plan review and

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03:56:36,254 --> 03:56:39,959
inspection fee, we don't have and currently every other county around us does charge so what we did was look at those and try to

2101
03:56:45,531 --> 03:56:45,531
find something that matches we are charging $500 flat fee going

2102
03:56:50,302 --> 03:56:50,302
to development services because they take these in and also

2103
03:56:54,907 --> 03:56:54,907
support us and will be two dollars per linear foot for

2104
03:57:01,347 --> 03:57:04,016
public and private anything we review and inspect. >> how do you compare those dollars to the neighboring

2105
03:57:06,652 --> 03:57:06,652
counties? >> equal, a little bit less ,

2106
03:57:12,324 --> 03:57:16,128
kendall county does 1000 , kendall county does $1001 per linear foot, williamson county , I had it written down. We took a

2107
03:57:26,339 --> 03:57:30,176
sample project and ran it through every other county and municipality fee schedule and got the number so kendall county

2108
03:57:32,812 --> 03:57:32,812
sample would be 24,100 , kendall was 25,100. And williamson is

2109
03:57:40,987 --> 03:57:40,987
2620. >> caldwell next door?

2110
03:57:45,525 --> 03:57:45,525
>> I don't have caldwell. If you look at the cities we have

2111
03:57:51,631 --> 03:57:51,631
you are getting into 76,000 , 145,000 and , 145,080 2000. So

2112
03:57:59,205 --> 03:57:59,205
we are much cheaper than others and right in line with the

2113
03:58:03,376 --> 03:58:03,376
counties around us. >> grade and we need to charge

2114
03:58:07,514 --> 03:58:07,514
for these things so the team can be properly supported. What else

2115
03:58:15,655 --> 03:58:17,890
would you like to add? >> director of development services. The only thing I would do in the endeavor this fee they

2116
03:58:22,528 --> 03:58:22,528
are proposing is a new fee the county has never charged nor

2117
03:58:27,767 --> 03:58:27,767
assessed for this. So it is long overdue for the time and effort

2118
03:58:37,411 --> 03:58:37,411
. Most of the roads are inadequate.

2119
03:58:43,683 --> 03:58:47,221
>> commissioners anything to add? >> we have one more fee, for the license agreements working

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03:58:53,693 --> 03:58:53,693
right-of-way. It will be 5% of the total construction cost of

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03:58:58,465 --> 03:59:02,135
the project to be capped at $2000 in line with development services. >> good and that is a place we

2122
03:59:07,140 --> 03:59:09,643
can squeeze if they're doing it wrong so that's good. >> these will assist inspections on roadway inspections. Two

2123
03:59:15,315 --> 03:59:15,315
dollars per linear foot will assist with crews and help with

2124
03:59:20,187 --> 03:59:20,187
outside. That's the oversight of them and actually on-site

2125
03:59:28,829 --> 03:59:32,633
inspections. >> I would say we have run into issues on county and the state has brought it on state roadways

2126
03:59:39,539 --> 03:59:39,539
on the development with licensing agreements. Where they

2127
03:59:45,012 --> 03:59:47,213
don't maintain the sign are we have expectation or they put rocks around it in the right-of-way where we cannot do

2128
03:59:51,885 --> 03:59:55,555
mowing something those agreements in place really makes a difference. >> perfect, thank you, good job

2129
03:59:59,426 --> 03:59:59,426
leading the conversation and thank you please call the roll.

2130
04:00:04,030 --> 04:00:07,468
>> commissioner hammer yes, commissioner ingalsbe yes, commissioner smith yes, commissioner cohen yes, judge

2131
04:00:09,003 --> 04:00:09,003
becerra yes. >> customary for me to go

2132
04:00:14,742 --> 04:00:17,444
through the pews what items do you want me to hit? Say them out. J 6 please.

2133
04:00:22,450 --> 04:00:25,619
>> discuss, consider, and take appropriate action regarding a

2134
04:00:26,855 --> 04:00:29,690
resolution relating to a public hearing and approving financing by tarrant county cultural education facilities finance corporation for the benefit of seton hays hospital, owned

2135
04:00:37,431 --> 04:00:40,301
by ascension seton an affiliate of ascencion health alliance d/b/a ascension and related matters in compliance with section 147(f) of the internal revenue code.

2136
04:00:50,311 --> 04:00:52,581
>> so moved. >> motion and second. State your name and title and explain to folks what this is all about.

2137
04:00:58,119 --> 04:00:58,119
>> my name is

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04:01:07,796 --> 04:01:07,796
we held a hearing on october 17 , a public hearing after

2139
04:01:13,501 --> 04:01:13,501
publishing notice in the san marcus daily record asking that

2140
04:01:18,973 --> 04:01:22,877
we would have a hearing and essentially the mechanism excuse me let me back up. This is a way for hospitals and other large

2141
04:01:28,617 --> 04:01:28,617
nonprofits to be able to access tax-exempt financing. Here, what

2142
04:01:35,357 --> 04:01:35,357
is happening is ascension health is planning to spend $10 million

2143
04:01:39,761 --> 04:01:39,761
at the kyles hospital and have a list that will cover.

2144
04:01:46,534 --> 04:01:46,534
essentially they will cover pediatric beds, patient beds, a

2145
04:01:52,306 --> 04:01:52,306
new nurse on call center et cetera. Essentially what it is

2146
04:01:56,644 --> 04:01:56,644
doing the tarrant county cfc will be issuing the bond I'm

2147
04:02:03,084 --> 04:02:03,084
sorry go on. >> when you say letters we have

2148
04:02:07,589 --> 04:02:10,191
to know what they mean. >> unfortunately it is convenient but it is predictable I won't let you speak snake by.

2149
04:02:15,363 --> 04:02:15,363
>> tarrant county cultural. >> you don't have to have

2150
04:02:22,470 --> 04:02:22,470
everything memorized. Facility finance corporation thank you.

2151
04:02:30,478 --> 04:02:30,478
so essentially that finance corporation would be the conduit

2152
04:02:37,552 --> 04:02:37,552
for issuing the bonds and we are hoping to spend nearly $1.6

2153
04:02:41,990 --> 04:02:41,990
billion across four counties in texas, 10 million here in hays

2154
04:02:49,097 --> 04:02:49,097
county and essentially the ascension health , we held a

2155
04:02:55,671 --> 04:02:55,671
public meeting on october 17 with no opposition to the public

2156
04:03:00,575 --> 04:03:00,575
hearing . Now we are asking commissioners court to do the

2157
04:03:06,748 --> 04:03:06,748
act of approving the resolution that basically says this has

2158
04:03:12,020 --> 04:03:12,020
happened again this will not have any indication or create

2159
04:03:16,592 --> 04:03:16,592
obligations for the project or , for the project for the county

2160
04:03:21,964 --> 04:03:21,964
or any cities inside the county and there is a project will live

2161
04:03:28,069 --> 04:03:28,069
and die by its own revenues internally and it does not

2162
04:03:32,675 --> 04:03:32,675
implicate the awesome ratings the county has four bonds.

2163
04:03:39,481 --> 04:03:43,152
>> the reason for coming to hays county and mentioning tarrant county is because this organization is headquartered in

2164
04:03:48,857 --> 04:03:52,628
tarrant county? I was tarrant county used? >> I believe 10 years ago ascension health issued bonds

2165
04:03:58,835 --> 04:04:02,237
through tarrant county so basically it is an efficiency and time-saving mechanism because tarrant county financial

2166
04:04:06,708 --> 04:04:10,213
corporation has already done it before. >> in these counties you need to get permission because you are

2167
04:04:12,949 --> 04:04:15,952
pursuing the tax-free perspective? >> yes . Tax-exempt. By giving approval what it does is

2168
04:04:26,196 --> 04:04:29,765
allowing the project to move forward here. Yes it is like $10 million for the hospital in kyle.

2169
04:04:34,370 --> 04:04:34,370
>> how can I squeeze on those people to make it more?

2170
04:04:41,510 --> 04:04:41,510
>> I think that is a question for the client but essentially

2171
04:04:46,082 --> 04:04:46,082
the financing, they can move money around within texas so

2172
04:04:50,152 --> 04:04:50,152
there is up until $1.6 billion spent in the counties in texas

2173
04:04:56,326 --> 04:04:56,326
those are like williamson, travis and hays county. Let me

2174
04:05:01,230 --> 04:05:01,230
pull up the last one.

2175
04:05:09,072 --> 04:05:09,072
>> I have a question. You said hays county is one you can

2176
04:05:16,046 --> 04:05:19,248
operate in. >> one of the counties they choose to expand. >> is the purpose behind the

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04:05:25,688 --> 04:05:25,688
financing because they have to go through you all because they

2178
04:05:30,126 --> 04:05:32,328
don't have the ability to do bond financing on their own? >> so it is a private entity because it is a private entity

2179
04:05:38,101 --> 04:05:38,101
they are not allowed to issue their own bond we have to have

2180
04:05:45,308 --> 04:05:49,212
the conduit bond. >> that is my understanding so my question is what other conduit financing do you do? >> ascension health? >> tarrant county the tarrant

2181
04:05:53,082 --> 04:05:56,920
county? >> I'm here representing ascension health. >> the reason I ask is we have a

2182
04:06:01,491 --> 04:06:01,491
number of jordan will tell me I am far afield on this but this

2183
04:06:08,366 --> 04:06:08,366
is a question I have for the county. We have a number of

2184
04:06:12,403 --> 04:06:14,737
libraries with library districts but statutorily they are prevented from bonding even though they have a tax base.

2185
04:06:18,708 --> 04:06:18,708
they have a tax rate but they do not have the ability to bond and

2186
04:06:24,481 --> 04:06:27,016
if there was a conduit organization where they could they look to put facilities in here. I'm wondering if they

2187
04:06:31,355 --> 04:06:33,123
have other clients similar to that. >> I do not know that answer. >> wonderful and we have housing

2188
04:06:37,594 --> 04:06:37,594
corporations that do the same. Any questions?

2189
04:06:42,599 --> 04:06:42,599
>> I would like to know what improvements they are making.

2190
04:06:48,139 --> 04:06:48,139
>> 2.5 million , for a new nurse call system, 1.2 million

2191
04:06:53,777 --> 04:06:53,777
radiography florals go pick cody vascular system, $1.2 million

2192
04:07:01,952 --> 04:07:04,121
for other equipment, $500,000 surgical sterilization and another $500,000 for miscellaneous additional

2193
04:07:06,323 --> 04:07:06,323
equipment, patient monitoring beds, equipment and incubators

2194
04:07:10,595 --> 04:07:10,595
et cetera. >> no actual expansion just

2195
04:07:14,631 --> 04:07:14,631
equipment. >> well I am not sure for

2196
04:07:19,236 --> 04:07:23,007
example some of the equipment might need more room but it seems to be mostly for the equipment.

2197
04:07:26,645 --> 04:07:26,645
>> okay thank you. >> with extra equipment because

2198
04:07:33,050 --> 04:07:33,050
they are level two trauma can they move to level one? I guess

2199
04:07:37,956 --> 04:07:38,789
they probably have have residency. >> not sorry about that. >> I believe I was already

2200
04:07:43,094 --> 04:07:43,094
pursuing that conversation and we can help them get to trauma

2201
04:07:48,266 --> 04:07:48,266
level one if we got ut medical to do rotating tours which is

2202
04:07:57,108 --> 04:07:57,108
not far enough and you can pull it off I would love to see that.

2203
04:08:03,948 --> 04:08:07,218
thank you so much for being so awesome. You only missed one little letter well done take as much please call the roll.

2204
04:08:16,628 --> 04:08:19,697
>> commissioner smith yes, commissioner hammer yes, commissioner cohen yes, commissioner ingalsbe yes, judge becerra yes. >> back over here anything?

2205
04:08:21,966 --> 04:08:21,966
grants? Yo are good with watching the rodeo? Okay very

2206
04:08:30,041 --> 04:08:30,041
good. Start at the top. Let's go to g 1 and plow through it.

2207
04:08:37,182 --> 04:08:37,182
>> approved payments of county invoices. Approve the payment of

2208
04:08:43,455 --> 04:08:43,455
juror disbursements. Approve the payment of united healthcare and

2209
04:08:48,159 --> 04:08:50,295
texas association of county healthcare claims and authorize additional disbursement amount not to exceed $500,000 to

2210
04:08:54,499 --> 04:08:54,499
healthcare claims account. G 4

2211
04:08:59,004 --> 04:09:02,007
approve the payment of the november 15, 2025 payroll disbursements in an amount not to exceed $4,600,000.00 effective november 15, 2025, and post totals of wages,

2212
04:09:03,708 --> 04:09:05,377
withholdings, deductions and benefits on the hays county website once finalized.

2213
04:09:15,653 --> 04:09:16,955
g5. Accept the delivery of the auditor's office quarterly internal examination reports.

2214
04:09:23,728 --> 04:09:26,498
g6. Amend various departmental operating, special revenue and capital project budgets in preparation for fiscal year 2025 fiscal year-end financial reporting.

2215
04:09:36,208 --> 04:09:39,511
g7. Authorize payment to card service center in the amount of $2,314.41 related to travel expenses for the county administrator to attend the 2025 international city/county

2216
04:09:41,013 --> 04:09:44,782
manager association (icma) annual conference where no purchase order was issued as required per the hays county purchasing policy.

2217
04:09:58,229 --> 04:10:00,799
g8. Authorize the execution of a resolution certifying that hays county has approved a $13,000.00 grant for the fiscal year 2026 budget year to combined community action (caa) in

2218
04:10:02,400 --> 04:10:02,400
support of providing home-delivered meals to

2219
04:10:10,476 --> 04:10:10,476
homebound persons in the county that are elderly or disabled.

2220
04:10:22,721 --> 04:10:26,058
g9. Accept donations totaling $1,900.00 on behalf of the hays county child protective board and amend the budget accordingly.

2221
04:10:37,436 --> 04:10:41,039
g10. ÷authorize payment to si mechanical in the amount of $534.88 for the juvenile detention center related to fy25 restroom facility repairs in which no purchase order was

2222
04:10:42,375 --> 04:10:45,610
issued as required per the hays county purchasing policy and amend the budget accordingly.

2223
04:10:54,387 --> 04:10:56,789
g11. Authorize information technology to purchase a replacement sonicwall device and application software from shi government solutions, inc. And amend the budget accordingly.

2224
04:11:08,834 --> 04:11:11,570
g12. Authorize facilities and resource management to accept a $1,253.96 in-kind donation, consisting of materials and labor, from christus trinity clinic - san marcos for cosmetic

2225
04:11:13,606 --> 04:11:13,606
improvements to the building located 401-a broadway and amend

2226
04:11:27,587 --> 04:11:30,422
the budget accordingly. G13. Approve facilities and resource management to replace the damaged thermon building employee entrance door in the amount of $17,606.05 and amend

2227
04:11:32,158 --> 04:11:32,158
the budget accordingly.

2228
04:11:43,836 --> 04:11:46,506
g14. Approve out of state travel for development manager, michael berlad, and development coordinator, carolina bedolla, to attend the mygovernmentonline (mgo) national conference on

2229
04:11:48,073 --> 04:11:50,943
december 10th - december 12th 2025 in new orleans, louisiana.

2230
04:12:00,853 --> 04:12:03,623
g15. Authorize the acceptance of a grant award from the fy24 texas parks and wildlife department, recreational trails1 grant program in the amount of $300,000.00 and amend the budget

2231
04:12:06,226 --> 04:12:06,226
accordingly.

2232
04:12:14,267 --> 04:12:17,103
g16.ratify the acceptance of a grant award from the texas comptroller, fy26 rural law enforcement - prosecutors office grant program in the amount of $275,000.00.

2233
04:12:26,012 --> 04:12:28,848
g17. Authorize the execution of a contract termination notice to hntb corporation related to the professional services agreement executed on july 8, 2025, for general engineering consulting

2234
04:12:30,450 --> 04:12:30,450
services for hays county road projects.

2235
04:12:40,927 --> 04:12:43,897
g18. Authorize the execution of a proposal with ultimate kronos group (ukg) related to the countywide timekeeping system for an additional 35 licenses under their new omnia partners

2236
04:12:45,799 --> 04:12:45,799
contract 24-6833.

2237
04:12:57,110 --> 04:13:00,581
g19. Ratify the award on october 14, 2025, of ifb 2025-b11 cemetery maintenance to reject all bids and authorize the purchasing department to resolicit for bids.

2238
04:13:12,159 --> 04:13:14,628
g20. Approve specifications for rfq 2026-q01 construction, engineering, & inspection (ce&I) and testing services pool and authorize purchasing to solicit for proposals.

2239
04:13:26,840 --> 04:13:29,109
g21. Approve specifications for ifb 2026-b03 cemetery maintenance and authorize the purchasing department to advertise and solicit for bids.

2240
04:13:51,899 --> 04:13:55,636
g23. Approve specifications for rfp 2026-p01 flood warning system maintenance & repair services and authorize the purchasing department to advertise and solicit for proposals.

2241
04:14:04,979 --> 04:14:07,548
g24. Approve specifications for rfq 2026-q05 right-of-way acquisition service pool and authorize the purchasing department to advertise and solicit for proposals.

2242
04:14:15,323 --> 04:14:17,925
g25. Approve specifications for rfq 2026-q04 project management services pool and authorize the purchasing department to advertise and solicit for proposals.

2243
04:14:32,940 --> 04:14:35,209
g26. Approve specifications for rfq 2026-q06 utility coordination services pool and authorize the purchasing department to advertise and solicit for proposals.

2244
04:14:42,850 --> 04:14:45,253
g27. Approve specifications for rfq 2026-q02 professional engineering services pool and authorize the purchasing department to advertise and solicit for proposals.

2245
04:14:59,299 --> 04:15:02,336
g28. Authorize the execution of contract renewal one for ifb 2025-b02 hauling solid waste with waste connections lone star, inc. And texas disposal systems, inc. For one (1)

2246
04:15:04,371 --> 04:15:06,474
additional year, with the proposed price changes from texas

2247
04:15:10,010 --> 04:15:10,010
disposal systems, increasing their overall contract 6%.

2248
04:15:20,421 --> 04:15:24,158
g29. Authorize the execution of contract renewal three for ifb 2022-b19 metal beam guard fence (mbgf) materials with texas corrugators.

2249
04:15:35,270 --> 04:15:38,073
g30. Authorize the transportation department to purchase a jack hammer from grainger in the amount of $5,838.82, and amend the budget accordingly.

2250
04:15:48,449 --> 04:15:51,252
g31. Authorize payment to shi government solutions in the amount of $9,158.40 for the parks department, and $912.90 for the facilities and resource management department, where no

2251
04:15:52,954 --> 04:15:55,891
purchase order was obtained as required by the hays county purchasing policy.

2252
04:16:04,532 --> 04:16:07,169
g32. ÷approve the hart intercivic, inc. Quote for ballot stock in the amount of $15,550.00, and authorize a discretionary exemption pursuant to texas local government code

2253
04:16:08,904 --> 04:16:08,904
chapter 262.024 (a)(7)(d), effective october 1, 2025.

2254
04:16:21,550 --> 04:16:23,151
g33. Authorize payment to card service center in the amount of $543.18 related to a hotel stay for the 2025 judicial summit on

2255
04:16:25,554 --> 04:16:27,355
mental health, where no purchase order was obtained as required by the hays county purchasing policy.

2256
04:16:42,236 --> 04:16:44,672
g34. Ratify the county administrator's execution of the commercial insurance proposal from marsh & mclennan agency related to the gay ruby dahlstrom nature preserve in the

2257
04:16:46,575 --> 04:16:46,575
amount of $9,582.75; and authorize a waiver of the

2258
04:16:57,486 --> 04:16:57,486
purchasing policy for obtaining three quotes.

2259
04:17:08,664 --> 04:17:11,232
g35. Authorize the execution of a second contract extension to the professional services agreement between hays county and christus santa rosa hospital - san marcos, for a period not

2260
04:17:13,068 --> 04:17:13,068
to exceed thirty (30) days from the current extension

2261
04:17:19,874 --> 04:17:19,874
expiring october 31, 2025.

2262
04:17:24,846 --> 04:17:24,846
g36. Approve utility permits.

2263
04:17:32,225 --> 04:17:34,760
g37. Authorize approval of the property insurance renewal policy from texas association of counties risk management pool (tac rmp) with an annual premium of $436,144.00.

2264
04:17:42,203 --> 04:17:44,939
g38. Authorize approval of the casualty insurance renewal policy from texas association of counties risk management pool (tac rmp) with an annual premium of $791,543.00.

2265
04:17:57,384 --> 04:17:59,854
g39. Approve and execute the sheriff's office equitable sharing agreement and certification in accordance with the statutes and guidelines that govern the federal equitable

2266
04:18:02,155 --> 04:18:02,155
sharing program.

2267
04:18:07,895 --> 04:18:11,097
g40. Authorize a waiver to the purchasing policy for obtaining three quotes and allow the health department to utilize prevent a litter of central texas (pals) for a microchip and

2268
04:18:13,100 --> 04:18:15,803
vaccine clinic to be held on 11/08/2025 and amend the budget accordingly.

2269
04:18:22,677 --> 04:18:26,246
g41. Approve the spookctacular power the tower event on the courthouse grounds sponsored by kzsm to be held on october 28th, 2025, that shall include commercial vendors.

2270
04:18:36,757 --> 04:18:39,860
>> so moved. >> second. >> we have a edit, g 19? >> stephanie hunt purchasing

2271
04:18:47,868 --> 04:18:47,868
agent. Instead of ratify it needs to say rescind the award

2272
04:18:53,774 --> 04:18:53,774
instead of ratify. >> g 19 is supposed to be

2273
04:18:58,246 --> 04:18:58,246
written as resend instead of ratify for the viewing public. G

2274
04:19:04,285 --> 04:19:04,285
19 one edit.

2275
04:19:09,623 --> 04:19:13,260
>> I don't know if you want me to explain. >> I think we are okay. >> g 1 I was asked to review

2276
04:19:17,965 --> 04:19:21,635
audit for additional invoices so I would like to add them, the vendor is well have llc services october and november for the

2277
04:19:27,175 --> 04:19:27,175
jail and juvenile detention center total paid $672,183.92.

2278
04:19:37,251 --> 04:19:38,886
>> you going to read the other three? >> that's the total. >> perfect, thank you.

2279
04:19:42,723 --> 04:19:42,723
>> judge I have a correction on g 40. To change the date of the

2280
04:19:55,269 --> 04:19:55,269
clinic and it will be december 6. There are some staffing

2281
04:20:02,710 --> 04:20:06,448
issues. >> edit to december 6 for the clinic. >> I want on nine to thank san

2282
04:20:12,252 --> 04:20:12,252
marcus lions club mary fulton and we have heard their names

2283
04:20:21,362 --> 04:20:24,899
multiple times and I appreciate them finding value in the child protective order. >> beautiful well said. Anything

2284
04:20:29,838 --> 04:20:29,838
else? >> one other question matthew on

2285
04:20:34,809 --> 04:20:34,809
40, I know we have more of these I assume that is included in

2286
04:20:41,649 --> 04:20:45,387
your budget. Is there a way instead of bringing back each one of these individually we know they're going to do six

2287
04:20:50,459 --> 04:20:53,328
for the year or whateve we can do one and worry about the scheduling and you don't have to bring back to court?

2288
04:20:57,899 --> 04:21:01,002
>> I agree with that efficiency. I tell people to do that all the time. >> hays county health department

2289
04:21:06,375 --> 04:21:08,677
director. We want to make it as efficient as possible the problem is purchasing standards we had to seek out three quotes,

2290
04:21:11,246 --> 04:21:11,246
but the way we worked it out is through social services

2291
04:21:16,218 --> 04:21:16,218
contract. We have negotiated five events like this across our

2292
04:21:21,824 --> 04:21:24,526
fiscal year. Going forward this will be the last submitted this way all others will be done to social services contract.

2293
04:21:32,333 --> 04:21:34,203
>> thank you. Nothing else please call the roll. >> commissioner hammer yes, commissioner ingalsbe yes,

2294
04:21:43,879 --> 04:21:47,749
commissioner smith yes, commissioner cohen >> recusing from g 20, 22, 24, 25, 26, 27 and yes to everything else. >> judge becerra.

2295
04:21:49,317 --> 04:21:49,317
>> yes. Let's continue on miscellaneous.

2296
04:21:55,590 --> 04:21:55,590
are we on two or three? Two is done and we are on j3.

2297
04:22:05,600 --> 04:22:07,270
j3. Discussion and possible action to adopt the hays county drainage criteria manual. >> so moved.

2298
04:22:11,039 --> 04:22:13,008
>> second. >> motion and second. Mr. Pacheco you are up. >> thank you court and judge. So

2299
04:22:20,550 --> 04:22:23,685
again after additional public consideration bring it back to the court the only other thing I will say is I did want to make

2300
04:22:30,460 --> 04:22:30,460
it apparent any additional changes we do seek we can

2301
04:22:36,065 --> 04:22:36,065
administratively modify this is a living document so as we

2302
04:22:40,269 --> 04:22:43,840
implement and move forward you can use it for practical matters. So we will amend internally moving forward.

2303
04:22:51,680 --> 04:22:51,680
>> okay anything else? Please call the roll.

2304
04:22:57,186 --> 04:22:59,021
>> commissioner cohen yes, commissioner ingalsbe yes, commissioner smith yes, commissioner hammer yes, judge

2305
04:23:03,725 --> 04:23:05,495
becerra yes. >> five is next? >> I think seven. >> did we do five? Let's do

2306
04:23:09,966 --> 04:23:09,966
five. >> j five

2307
04:23:14,537 --> 04:23:17,206
discussion and possible action to authorize the execution of the equipment calibration & maintenance program agreement between hays county and farrwest pursuant to buyboard contract

2308
04:23:18,641 --> 04:23:18,641
#769-25, in the amount of $14,469.72

2309
04:23:23,679 --> 04:23:23,679
annually, effective october 1, 2025.

2310
04:23:32,321 --> 04:23:32,321
>> so moved. >> second.

2311
04:23:39,295 --> 04:23:42,331
>> any questions? Please call the roll. >> commissioner smith yes, commissioner hammer yes, commissioner cohen yes, commissioner ingalsbe yes, judge

2312
04:23:43,833 --> 04:23:43,833
becerra yes. J 7

2313
04:23:50,206 --> 04:23:52,275
discussion and possible action to amend the fee schedule for the development services department. >> so moved and second. >> okay mr. Pacheco one more

2314
04:23:55,679 --> 04:23:59,448
time. >> easier to turn around director development services. Judge and commissioners the fee

2315
04:24:04,353 --> 04:24:04,353
schedule item we have brought to you today is predicated on one

2316
04:24:09,960 --> 04:24:12,629
major aspect we are proposing changes to. I will highlight every change. I will start there first. Some changes we are

2317
04:24:18,901 --> 04:24:21,137
looking at making starting off with subdivisions we are proposing a decrease in voluntary cemetery plan

2318
04:24:25,841 --> 04:24:25,841
application fees sitting at $500 per lot unit track. We are

2319
04:24:31,480 --> 04:24:31,480
proposing to reduce to $50 a lot part of a piece of property

2320
04:24:38,388 --> 04:24:40,390
mainly predicated to see if that will help incentivize more developers to engage in the plan process with us. In the past

2321
04:24:44,428 --> 04:24:44,428
year or so we have had the fee big push back is the development

2322
04:24:48,999 --> 04:24:48,999
community not wanting to pay that much of a fee upfront so

2323
04:24:54,104 --> 04:24:54,104
the initial strategic idea is to have it reduced just to get

2324
04:24:58,374 --> 04:24:58,374
people in the door. It is a review process that takes a good

2325
04:25:02,746 --> 04:25:02,746
amount of the same effort that a plat application process does so

2326
04:25:07,917 --> 04:25:07,917
that is one thing we continue to do. We are changes with these

2327
04:25:12,956 --> 04:25:15,792
right now we have that separate we have published or posted and written notification for certified mail fees the request

2328
04:25:20,898 --> 04:25:24,134
is to consolidate a flat fee for notification requirements and for the processes. There is additional fees with a slight

2329
04:25:37,348 --> 04:25:39,616
increase right now we charge 1500 all development applications with the service proposing today to increase

2330
04:25:45,321 --> 04:25:45,321
additional dollars to $2000 in those are. Changes we are and

2331
04:25:58,435 --> 04:25:58,435
what you mention mainly so I will not take very much time

2332
04:26:06,143 --> 04:26:07,945
during the last legislative session there were new laws passed that affected local jurisdictions and charge fees.

2333
04:26:16,253 --> 04:26:16,253
those changes , the big highlight points is changes how

2334
04:26:22,760 --> 04:26:22,760
local jurisdictions can inspect permit fees for certaintypes of

2335
04:26:27,498 --> 04:26:27,498
businesses. There are other changes we inches of such as

2336
04:26:36,640 --> 04:26:40,578
statewide mobile food permitting system that is something the court and county needs to be prepared for july 1 however that

2337
04:26:44,449 --> 04:26:44,449
will be another fee schedule discussion in may. Also the new

2338
04:26:49,520 --> 04:26:49,520
law changes outline fee caps, structure of the fees and how we

2339
04:26:55,793 --> 04:26:55,793
are supposed to be charging. >> that's the kind of stuff I

2340
04:27:00,498 --> 04:27:00,498
love. Overcommit overburden someone trying to make a living

2341
04:27:07,005 --> 04:27:10,408
you cross the road now you need a new permit you need new bureaucrats. So I'm happy to hear their doing this I heard it

2342
04:27:17,148 --> 04:27:20,485
and I rejoiced. If I had a beer in my hand I would've opened it. >> goes into effect july 1.

2343
04:27:29,093 --> 04:27:31,029
>> what a gift. >> that is lost revenue. >> yes we will no longer be able to permit or review the

2344
04:27:33,664 --> 04:27:33,664
applications. Those food vendors would apply to the department

2345
04:27:38,770 --> 04:27:42,307
services. >> we will find other ways to compensate. >> that's part of the proposal. Ultimately in summary under texas health & safety code

2346
04:27:51,082 --> 04:27:53,884
restrict the way local departments operate mainly including how we can charge fees and conduct reinspections. So we

2347
04:27:59,691 --> 04:27:59,691
must adjust how we issue permits and recover costs retaining

2348
04:28:04,362 --> 04:28:04,362
staffing investigation more so on the environmental health

2349
04:28:08,833 --> 04:28:08,833
standpoint we provide oversight and coverage . Persistence to

2350
04:28:15,674 --> 04:28:18,310
the county and citizens of the municipalities we regulate the city of waverley, the city of kyle. What I propose to you

2351
04:28:25,917 --> 04:28:28,085
today is one big change we are proposing with the fee schedule is allotting services when it comes to the structure of these

2352
04:28:30,955 --> 04:28:30,955
permits so that's big change number one historically food

2353
04:28:36,194 --> 04:28:38,062
establishment permits have been categorized by number of employees whether two or three. What we are proposing after

2354
04:28:44,270 --> 04:28:47,705
discussion seeing state law confirming with legal it is recommended we move forward with what the department of state

2355
04:28:51,176 --> 04:28:54,513
health services categorizes and that is broken down by three categories based on gross annual volume of food sales. 0 to 49

2356
04:29:01,753 --> 04:29:01,753
50,000 50,100 49,909 50,100 $49,909 and anything over

2357
04:29:08,193 --> 04:29:08,193
150,000. The state also has a cap on how much you can charge

2358
04:29:13,799 --> 04:29:13,799
for those applications, assessed at $773 as internal decision we

2359
04:29:24,375 --> 04:29:26,979
did not want to go to the max you proposing a breakdown of $250, 450 and 650 for those categories.

2360
04:29:30,716 --> 04:29:32,151
>> that would last for one year? >> yes or. >> 250, 450 and 750 ?

2361
04:29:38,523 --> 04:29:40,492
>> 650. >> every year as a fee for renewing. >> correct for a new

2362
04:29:44,363 --> 04:29:46,031
establishment when you are submitting a new permit depending on what time that is it would be indicated by what

2363
04:29:50,803 --> 04:29:50,803
you were forecasting your gross annual volume of food sales if

2364
04:29:55,941 --> 04:29:58,577
it is a full year half-year quarter of the year we are working of the business providing accurate information.

2365
04:30:04,083 --> 04:30:07,686
>> you will generate the fee accordingly? Six months of the bill is in half? >> predicated on what the

2366
04:30:11,123 --> 04:30:11,123
applicant gross annual volume. So if I buy a $250 permit and

2367
04:30:18,297 --> 04:30:18,297
half the year is gone what I you have the bill or pay for the

2368
04:30:23,870 --> 04:30:27,840
full year? >> it is not permit at the time is the full cost six months or one year.

2369
04:30:30,910 --> 04:30:30,910
>> so theoretically in this scenario six months with a

2370
04:30:39,352 --> 04:30:41,954
permit for the price of 12 months. Why don'twe fix that to say per month is what you pay?

2371
04:30:43,823 --> 04:30:46,092
>> we can take that into consideration. We would have to factor in the prorate. >> halfway through the year

2372
04:30:47,926 --> 04:30:47,926
charge half of the fee. >> we can take that into

2373
04:30:52,665 --> 04:30:52,665
consideration. It would be a new way of how we assess those fees.

2374
04:30:58,104 --> 04:30:58,104
>> just the update hey if it is 10 months and why pay for the

2375
04:31:03,075 --> 04:31:03,075
whole year? Charge for two months. Divide by 12.

2376
04:31:08,847 --> 04:31:12,418
>> I will double check with legal if that's something we can do pursuant to the health & safety code but that is

2377
04:31:16,389 --> 04:31:20,360
something we can also slip in with the amendment or future amendment. >> january 1 or october 1?

2378
04:31:22,194 --> 04:31:22,194
>> january 1. This is something I failed to highlight and want

2379
04:31:26,633 --> 04:31:26,633
to make sure it's covered. The transportation fee schedule. All

2380
04:31:34,341 --> 04:31:34,341
proposed fees we are talking about today will go into effect

2381
04:31:38,678 --> 04:31:40,213
january 1. >> people doing sights and sounds or anything christmas related. Thanksgiving. They want

2382
04:31:45,585 --> 04:31:47,988
to do a food booth, selling hot chocolate whatever. And then they come to you and pay for the whole year's worth of permit

2383
04:31:52,125 --> 04:31:52,125
for two weeks do you see my concern?

2384
04:31:58,064 --> 04:32:01,335
>> yes and it will clarify that's based the fee described is for retail food establishments. Those that you

2385
04:32:04,805 --> 04:32:04,805
are describing that's a fee not charged those rates those events

2386
04:32:09,042 --> 04:32:13,013
have a different fee based on the fee schedule. >> that is good clarification. I am thinking through what you are

2387
04:32:18,285 --> 04:32:18,285
saying. >> for that temporary event it

2388
04:32:22,590 --> 04:32:22,590
would be the same $52 for that event that's good up to 42 days

2389
04:32:28,262 --> 04:32:28,262
and that's in line with the department of health services.

2390
04:32:35,703 --> 04:32:38,339
>> that's good I still want to review pay for a whole year. >> I can definitely look and get back to your.

2391
04:32:40,741 --> 04:32:43,112
>> I want to be fair because you've got to know those people trying to sell something to feed their families do need to be

2392
04:32:45,813 --> 04:32:45,813
paying extra $500. Needlessly

2393
04:32:51,051 --> 04:32:51,051
>> part of the process is working with people to see what

2394
04:32:56,190 --> 04:32:56,190
changes in my biggest reservation is I don't know if

2395
04:33:02,196 --> 04:33:02,196
we can do that, but I can check with legal council to make sure

2396
04:33:08,535 --> 04:33:11,238
and get your response right away. I will say time is of the essence for this request. Based on state changes in legislative

2397
04:33:13,941 --> 04:33:13,941
changes there is the new state policy that requires have any

2398
04:33:25,753 --> 04:33:28,121
publishing or adopting a new fee schedule we have to have 60 day notice to the state of changes so we look to go effective

2399
04:33:30,657 --> 04:33:32,659
january 1, 2026 we would need consideration and adoption today by the court that way come tomorrow we can send this to the

2400
04:33:40,801 --> 04:33:42,770
department of state and health services the current fee schedule which is required for them to have a repository of our

2401
04:33:45,005 --> 04:33:47,408
fee schedule and every local health jurisdiction fee schedule in the state of texas. >> commissioners?

2402
04:33:49,344 --> 04:33:52,013
>> move for adoption and if we want to make it vigil adjustments we can always come back. In order to get there by

2403
04:33:55,415 --> 04:33:58,419
january 1. >> I agree. >> the fees are determined by the rest of the year how much

2404
04:34:05,693 --> 04:34:08,863
food sales? >> that's correct. >> if they were halfway through the year they would probably

2405
04:34:11,133 --> 04:34:13,835
only think they would have half of a revenue source coming in so the fee would be quite a bit less so that's a way to

2406
04:34:19,741 --> 04:34:22,343
prorate. >> yes if 70 comes in and says maybe in september or october and through december 31 when

2407
04:34:27,382 --> 04:34:30,785
applications expire if they assess their own personal annual volume and food sales for the three months less than 50,000 we

2408
04:34:34,955 --> 04:34:34,955
would take the application and have them under the permit type

2409
04:34:40,862 --> 04:34:44,365
$ccl. >> I know it's like I have lived and I have known sizing a nickel down the middle so you

2410
04:34:52,074 --> 04:34:54,875
may not think it's a lot and overall it's a good deal. Put a lower dollar amount it is a good point but fat chance you will

2411
04:34:57,979 --> 04:34:57,979
sell 25 or $.50 or a snowcone, these low dollar items that you

2412
04:35:04,753 --> 04:35:04,753
would even sell 50,000 in one year. So to think you only have

2413
04:35:09,090 --> 04:35:12,660
three months of a window to try to make a living as that's what people do and recharge them a full year that's what I'm

2414
04:35:15,664 --> 04:35:15,664
referring to. Everything we can do to be useful including the

2415
04:35:21,069 --> 04:35:23,538
dollar amount equation I understand. I think I would hate to charge them a for your. >> real quick the department

2416
04:35:32,847 --> 04:35:34,883
will come back in may for another revision effective july 1 we will no longer permit or take applications for mobile

2417
04:35:39,020 --> 04:35:39,020
food applications. Between now and may we will look into that

2418
04:35:44,359 --> 04:35:44,359
aspect but it is still in a chance we can consider if the

2419
04:35:49,898 --> 04:35:49,898
prorate the state allows late fees which we will not take at

2420
04:35:57,639 --> 04:36:00,542
this time but that is something we can consider. Notice foods, subdivision and permitting and everything else we carry under

2421
04:36:01,843 --> 04:36:04,346
the umbrella is up for discussion. >> good, commissioner cohen. >> I'm okay too. Thank you for

2422
04:36:16,525 --> 04:36:19,094
meeting with us prior. Some of the fees are lower than what the state allows. >> that's correct we are

2423
04:36:20,862 --> 04:36:20,862
allowed to go to the maximum profit categories or one of $733

2424
04:36:25,366 --> 04:36:27,836
but we did not feel that. >> I'm glad you're sensitive to the demographics we represent. Just because you can

2425
04:36:34,042 --> 04:36:35,945
doesn't mean you should. >> if there are no other considerations please never hesitate in the future to

2426
04:36:38,347 --> 04:36:38,347
discuss. >> let's call the roll.

2427
04:36:48,991 --> 04:36:51,727
>> commissioner hammer yes, commissioner ingalsbe yes, commissioner cohen yes, commissioner smith yes, judge becerra is. >> now the fire marshals.

2428
04:36:53,196 --> 04:36:56,132
>> j8. Discussion and possible action to amend the fee schedule for the fire marshal's office. >>

2429
04:37:07,008 --> 04:37:10,679
on the fee schedule increasing by 20%. How does that compare to local jurisdictions around us? Not trying to be the most

2430
04:37:15,617 --> 04:37:15,617
expensive. I will give an example. $465 $100,000 for the

2431
04:37:22,057 --> 04:37:22,057
property. Next door 0 to 5000 square feet $465 . Next door

2432
04:37:28,798 --> 04:37:28,798
evaluation is up to 100,000, they're charging and if it's

2433
04:37:36,006 --> 04:37:36,006
up to 150,000 they charge 615. Try to build a 5000 square foot

2434
04:37:40,276 --> 04:37:40,276
home in this county you're going to get past 150,000.

2435
04:37:44,714 --> 04:37:44,714
compared with the county they charge 785 for the same thing we

2436
04:37:49,851 --> 04:37:49,851
charge for 84. >> good, thank you. Any

2437
04:37:57,126 --> 04:37:57,126
questions? Going up. >> I am just excited to see in

2438
04:38:02,165 --> 04:38:04,967
the fee schedule we have third-party inspection and I appreciate the fire marshal's office for looking at that, one

2439
04:38:11,074 --> 04:38:13,342
of the things mentioned in the budget process and for three years now with development services and transportation I am

2440
04:38:15,577 --> 04:38:15,577
hoping transportation will bring forward a similar action related

2441
04:38:21,117 --> 04:38:21,117
to the road inspection and I'm glad to see it is included in

2442
04:38:26,722 --> 04:38:30,126
this for the first time. >> well done please call the roll. >> commissioner cohen yes,

2443
04:38:35,832 --> 04:38:38,668
commissioner smith yes, commissioner ingalsbe yes, commissioner hammer yes, judge becerra yes. >> j 10.

2444
04:38:45,275 --> 04:38:48,711
discussion and possible action to authorize the execution of a three (3) year subscription agreement and authorize payment of year 1 invoice between hays county and knowledgecity, inc.

2445
04:38:50,280 --> 04:38:50,280
for $26,134.50 effective november 3, 2025

2446
04:39:02,559 --> 04:39:05,628
>> so moved and second. >> anything else please call the roll. >> commissioner smith yes, commissioner hammer yes, commissioner ingalsbe yes,

2447
04:39:07,998 --> 04:39:07,998
commissioner cohen yes, judge becerra yes. J 11.

2448
04:39:13,003 --> 04:39:13,003
>>

2449
04:39:17,441 --> 04:39:20,176
j11. Discussion and possible action to authorize the execution of a professional services agreement between hays county and melinda sterns, rph to provide consultant pharmacist

2450
04:39:21,912 --> 04:39:21,912
services to the hays county health department, effective

2451
04:39:26,083 --> 04:39:27,684
october 22, 2025, and authorize a waiver to the purchasing policy of obtaining three quotes.

2452
04:39:39,396 --> 04:39:42,967
>> so moved second. >> mr. Gonzalez will you explain? >> matthew gonzalez hays county health department director. The health department operates a

2453
04:39:46,169 --> 04:39:46,169
class d pharmacy, operates in public health clinics and we

2454
04:39:50,541 --> 04:39:50,541
need a pharmacist in charge to operate that class d pharmacy.

2455
04:39:54,679 --> 04:39:54,679
the previous pharmacist is busy, pharmacists are in high demand

2456
04:40:02,419 --> 04:40:04,788
and she can no longer travel from dripping springs to san marcus on a monthly basis so she has helped me find an

2457
04:40:07,458 --> 04:40:07,458
alternative replacement which is pharmacist melissa stearns

2458
04:40:12,796 --> 04:40:16,733
operating for the next year as pharmacist in charge. >> perfect and thank you for to giving that. >> commissioner smith yes, commissioner hammer yes,

2459
04:40:21,572 --> 04:40:23,374
commissioner ingalsbe yes, commissioner cohen yes, judge becerra yes. >> is open j 13.

2460
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>> j 13.

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discussion and possible action to authorize the execution of a buyboard member authorization form and service agreement a between hays county and alsco uniforms to provide uniform

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rental and laundry services for our transportation and sheriff's departments. >> so moved. Second. Please call

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04:40:48,065 --> 04:40:48,065
the roll. Do you want to say something? We keep moving.

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04:40:57,575 --> 04:40:57,575
>> stephanie hunt purchasing agent. In backup there was the

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board service authorization form number nine, there are some

2466
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changes to that. I'm going to read what the changes are.

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number nine should say service authorization shall remain in full force effective commencing on the date signed by since june

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04:41:23,133 --> 04:41:23,133
3, 2020 unless otherwise terminated. So, originally it

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04:41:31,342 --> 04:41:31,342
was , this is pursuant to the by board contract, they lost a

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04:41:37,883 --> 04:41:41,219
total of three years going for one year than a renewal. So we tried to write it pursuant to the renewals. Due to the upfront

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04:41:48,426 --> 04:41:48,426
cost that it takes for them to get uniforms made and done they

2472
04:41:53,865 --> 04:41:56,934
would like for us to do the full term of the contract that if we need to terminate there are terms and conditions to

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04:41:59,070 --> 04:41:59,070
terminate. For lack of service. >> it won't cost us anything

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04:42:05,209 --> 04:42:05,209
for the edit? You are clear with that? Awesome and thank you for

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04:42:16,287 --> 04:42:19,057
that stephanie please call the roll. >> commissioner cohen yes, commissioner ingalsbe yes, commissioner hammer yes, commissioner smith yes, judge

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04:42:20,425 --> 04:42:24,129
becerra yes. >> j14. Discussion and possible action to award and execute a contract for ifb 2025-b08 vehicle repairs - hailstorm may 2024 to all-pro dent company,

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and amend the budget accordingly.

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04:42:39,878 --> 04:42:43,814
>> so moved. Second. Please call the roll. >> how many vehicles were damaged? Just out of curiosity because the overall cost , how much to the county fleet?

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>> we had approximately 40 some odd vehicles damaged that were covered under insurance and approximately 10 to 15 were not

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04:43:02,334 --> 04:43:04,536
covered under insurance, but some were a lease vehicles we have to get those repaired. The other ones we got in proposas

2481
04:43:10,409 --> 04:43:10,409
ahead of time so we roughly new. Fema is involved because it was

2482
04:43:14,947 --> 04:43:14,947
a natural disaster so we are getting back to 75%. Once

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04:43:23,321 --> 04:43:26,091
covered on insurance we get back 75% of the deductible and the ones not covered we get up to 75% back of the estimated cost

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04:43:32,298 --> 04:43:34,432
of those. >> thank you. Please call the roll. >> commissioner smith yes,

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04:43:37,135 --> 04:43:39,939
commissioner hammer yes, commissioner ingalsbe yes, judge becerra yes. >>

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04:43:47,080 --> 04:43:50,916
j16. Discussion and possible to authorize the execution of an esri small municipaland county government enterprise agreement (sgea) between hays county and esri (environmental systems research institute, inc.) regarding

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04:43:58,424 --> 04:44:00,926
countywide gis services, and authorize a discretionary exemption pursuant to texas local government code 262.024 (a)(7)(d) and amend the budget accordingly.

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04:44:11,003 --> 04:44:11,003
>> so moved. Second. >> anything to add to it?

2489
04:44:16,875 --> 04:44:20,746
>> not at this time, I will make one clarification more of a heads up. This is just another I don't is a annual but every

2490
04:44:25,685 --> 04:44:25,685
three year renewal for all gis services which touches a wide

2491
04:44:31,557 --> 04:44:31,557
group under the county umbrella. We were notified with the latest

2492
04:44:37,964 --> 04:44:37,964
three year contract taking the next three years keeping locked

2493
04:44:42,068 --> 04:44:45,571
in the current rate but after the next term we will see increased services. Three times the amount of what we currently

2494
04:44:49,041 --> 04:44:49,041
pay so that require us to start planning to pay for the cost of

2495
04:44:55,548 --> 04:44:55,548
those services. Is a current three-year contract.

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04:45:03,155 --> 04:45:06,726
>> anything else? >> no. >> please call the roll. >> commissioner cohen yes,

2497
04:45:13,433 --> 04:45:16,169
commissioner ingalsbe yes, commissioner smith yes, commissioner hammer yes, judge becerra is.

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04:45:19,638 --> 04:45:19,638
>> 218

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04:45:24,677 --> 04:45:27,813
discussion and possible action to authorize the acceptance of a grant award from the texas indigent defense commission, fy26 improvement grant program in the amount of $410,083.00.

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04:45:33,019 --> 04:45:36,255
>> so moved. Second. Please call the roll. >> commissioner ingalsbe yes, commissioner cohen yes,

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04:45:42,829 --> 04:45:44,297
commissioner smith yes, commissioner hammer yes, judge becerra yes.

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04:45:50,070 --> 04:45:53,873
j 19? I did not mark it on the page. >> we opened it with 220. Let's open l 1.

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04:46:04,017 --> 04:46:05,919
>> discussion related to the hays county inmate population to include current population counts and costs. Smoke my

2504
04:46:12,125 --> 04:46:14,427
office gets the job report every week and joe capacity is 464 inmates, jail standards are commandos holding approximately

2505
04:46:16,563 --> 04:46:16,563
10% open which lowers capacity to 417. The jail daily average

2506
04:46:24,371 --> 04:46:24,371
was 575 with peak 581 october 21. The estimated cost for

2507
04:46:31,745 --> 04:46:31,745
outsourcing inmates this week is $106,907. The average number of

2508
04:46:38,484 --> 04:46:38,484
outsourced males is 149 and all of that is a lot of money the

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04:46:43,523 --> 04:46:43,523
numbers are coming down thank you, sheriff and das office and

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04:46:47,761 --> 04:46:47,761
judges and thank you everyone else who touches the space.

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paper ready inmates we have 32,