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All right. I am calling the Thursday,
July 9th, 2026 city commission meeting

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to order. All five commissioners are
present.

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First item in the order of business,
consideration of approval of the minutes

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from the meeting on June 25th.
>> Question, changes, comments. None.

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» Sean thinks they're fabulous, so we're
good.

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» Okay. Marked as fabulous.
All right. Next is citizen comments for

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non-aggenda items. Anyone wishing to
speak to the commission now may come up

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to the podium and state your
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» Anybody? Okay.
>> Didn't want to move on without giving

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you your opportunity.
>> You know me. I've got some handouts.

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» All right. Perfect.
>> I'd be disappointed with it if you

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didn't.
>> All right. Well, you guys should have

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placed bets of whether I would be here
this afternoon.

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» I spent all my money.
>> Toby could have won $20 probably. He

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knows I'm He knows me better than most
of you. He knows I'm reliable.

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» Two pages total, right?
>> Just the one.

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» Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I
>> Perfect. Okay. And then if you say your

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name for the record and then let us let
us know.

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» Close enough to the mic here. Ruben
Shutman

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glasses on.

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You know, when I've I've corresponded
with each of you, I've tried to be more

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than just someone that complains about a
problem. I've tried to be a problem

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solver and offer solutions with new out-
of-the-box ideas, which you have

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received. But this afternoon, you'll
pick up on some of my frustrations. It

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was a very stressful night for me on
July 4th. Uh, something I've learned

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this past year is that many people do
not feel comfortable contacting you

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about problems they have with fireworks.
I don't know what the deal is. They

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don't think it's going to do any good.
You'll listen, but nothing gets done.

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Nothing will change. Now, these people
that won't contact you, they have no

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problem telling me all their complaints
they have with fireworks. But a a little

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humor here, I guess. I was hoping that
one of you would volunteer to crawl up

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on a ladder to pick all the fireworks
trash that landed in my gutters and roof

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and yard for several nights. There was a
lot. And you know, little old ladies

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shouldn't have to deal with the hassle
of fireworks trash on their property

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deposited there by neighbors. But the
city says that's okay. We're fine with

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other people littering on other people's
lawns and we and we've got to pick it

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up. Uh so basically each one of you that
con condones it and says we don't need

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to take any action with these problems
that litter up other people's property.

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But what if someone came with a bucket
of fireworks trash and dumped it all

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over your property? I believe that would
be illegal. Maybe the police would get

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called. But as long as the fireworks
trash and litter lands on someone's

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property by coming through the air,
that's okay. That method of littering is

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approved. The city says no problem with
other people littering on other people's

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property as long as it flies through the
air.

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And with all these loud explosions every
year, night after night, it's finally

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got so bad. Thank goodness the church,
the Episcopal church way out in the

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country came up with an option for
veterans and others who need to get away

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from all this warlike activity for at
least one night of peace and quiet. But

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what does that say about our community?
We have to pack up our veterans in a bus

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and send them out of town, leave their
homes for the evening just to get away

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from all this noise.
It should be the fireworks out miles in

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the country, not the people. Let the
people stay in the quiet surroundings of

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their home.
And many dog owners have serious

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problems with loud fireworks. And the
really big problem with an

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environmentalist group of people in
Hayes, they hate the pollution.

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You have received proposals that help
solve most of the problems that many

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groups of people have with fireworks
problems. And let me be clear, most are

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not against fireworks. They are against
all the problems they cause, which all

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of you are aware of. And the compromised
solution still allows all those clubs

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and school groups to sell all the
fireworks they want and maybe even more

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if it's planned out and done correctly.
You know, Hayes has the reputation

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across the state of Kansas for creative
ways to solve water problems. Why can't

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Hayes also be on the cutting edge and be
the leader with ingenious, fresh, new

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ideas with the fireworks problems? But
first, you do have to realize fireworks

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do cause problems for a lot of people
and those problems are not going away on

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their own. I would be glad to volunteer
to help you solve these problems.

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Thank you.
Thank you Ruben and thanks for the

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information.

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Anyone else like to speak currently?

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Okay,
we move on to the consent agenda. Uh

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only one thing on here currently the
mayoral appointment recommendation for

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the HCVB advisory board. Uh there's an
opening for a U hotel representative. We

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had an application.
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» sorry, Daisy. Yes.
So, Daisy and she uh Oh, sorry.

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» Go ahead.
>> Yeah. She has experience with uh another

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community she lived in on both their
chamber board and uh their CVB advisory

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committee for hotels.
>> Move approval of consent agenda.

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» Second.
>> Second.

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» Motion by Commissioner Jacobs. Second by
Commissioner Cunningham. Questions,

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comments on this one?
Now, I'll call for a vote. All in favor,

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please say I. I
>> I opposed

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» passes 5 vote on new business 2026
sanitary sewer point repairs and lining

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project award of bid. Jeff.
>> Good afternoon commissioners. Jeff

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Chrisman I'm the director of water
resources.

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The capital improvement plan uh for 2026
includes a sewer sanitary sewer repairs

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and lighting project and this is
consistent with similar work that we've

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done over the past five six years. Uh
the general area for this year's project

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is between Hall and Vine, south of 33rd
Street. It's the area that's outlined in

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green, goes all the way down to about
4th Street, encompasses all that area.

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Uh this visual was included in your
packet. um staff developed um this

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year's project anticipating completion
of 1943 linear feet of sanitary sewer

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lining which is from manhole to manhole
and 20 internal uh point repair pro or

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repairs at multiple locations within the
city of Hayes originally using 2024

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project line item pricing we bid out
1943 linear feet of manhole to manhole

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and 20 individual patches on this visual
uh the lining from manhole to manhole is

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the red lines and so those are four
locations and that encompasses that 1943

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[clears throat]
linear feet. Um, so in green also in on

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the on the visual, those are the
locations of the 20 patches. And as I

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mentioned last week at the work session,
you may have one of those lines like in

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the western part of Hayes along hall
there that might have five or six

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patches within that stretch, but all 20
original patches were within those green

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locations. After we opened bids and we
went back to Mayor Specialty Services,

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the uh parent low bidder, we asked them
to bid out some additional patches. uh

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to to get some more work done. For
reference, those locations we added to

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those yellow spots on the map. Again, uh
those 35 additional spots, there's not

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35 individual lines there. There are a
few locations where there's multiple

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patches within those lines. So, what you
see there, if you approve it tonight, we

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will get 19 uh 43 linear feet of lining
and 55 total patches.

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The city has made significant progress
in maintaining and repairing our

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sanitary sewer system. Uh this visual
only shows what's been completed since

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2020. Um in 2018, we started a project
to line and patch a sanitary sewer

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system. And since then, we've performed
over $1.5 million worth of repairs.

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Initially, the way we started it was we
knew we had all we had this big list

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that we wanted to accomplish and we
start taking off the hardest stuff first

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and we would do one year of lining. Then
the next year we would do patching and

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then lining and then patching. And then
we kind of morphed into where we're at

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now. We're doing a combination of both.
All the repairs that we've made and we

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want to re continue to make are based
off that sewer line cleaning and

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inspection project that we do every year
where we do 20% of the town. We get the

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video data. We get the still shots. We
get all the reports that show us where

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those problems are. Then we add them to
a future uh repair project. due to our

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progress that we've been made, it's
becoming more and more difficult for us

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to uh find out find enough locations to
meet that budget of $350,000.

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And I put in here, what a problem to
have. Um in the future, um as I

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mentioned last week, what we're planning
to do is probably 2028, we would combine

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both projects. The sewer line cleaning
um project that we spend $150 $175,000 a

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year and that $350,000 project, combine
them. won't be the total budget of both,

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but be able to do cleaning and um CCTV,
which is the inspection, and then also

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do a lot of those repairs as we're going
through that project. So, that's what we

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would plan on in the future. There are
different types of repairs that we've

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used in the city of Hayes. Um
trenchulous patches or internal point

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repairs, the lining from manhole to
manhole, and then open cut repairs.

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Earlier on when we realized that we had
some big problem areas, those would have

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to be dug up and they were such those
lines were such that you had to actually

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have those um physically cut open, get
down to them and they would have to put

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in new pipe and make that connection.
But we've taken care of those issues. So

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now we're just doing the internal
patches and the lining from manhole to

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manhole. This is what it looks like with
the patch project. Um they would take

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this is called a packer unit and that's
the side view of the of the sewer line.

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The packer is the the the um patch is
put on the outside of the packer. It

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goes to where the problem area is. That
packer expands. All the while sewer is

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flowing right through it. We don't have
to shut down service and for a certain

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amount of time that patch will cure. I
always use the term of band-aid, but

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it's much better than a band-aid um on a
sewer line. Same type of material as we

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do when we do the lining. Um but it
cures in place and then they remove that

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and they move to the next location. All
this is found from previous um

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inspection reports. We know exactly
where the problem is and then they come

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in when they do this project and they
actually pre-clean the line. they know

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exactly where the problem is and so they
go in and put in the patch while they're

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while they're there. Uh sewer lining is
a is an impressive pro um product for

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us. It's trenchulous, quick, cost
effective. There's different types of

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lining. We've used different types of
liners in our projects before. Um it

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could be uh polyester vinyl, epoxy
resin, or a like material and it's

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pulled from one manhole to another and
then it's inflated with steam or water.

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it's given a certain amount of time to
um to cure. Once complete problems such

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as infiltration, leakage, and
deteriorating infrastructure is

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repaired, the sewer can remain in
service during this project just like it

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would be um with the patches. And once
in place, the contractor then will

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they'll cut the ends of it at each
manhole. They'll take their equipment in

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there. They'll go to where the tap is
for the business or or for the resident

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and then that cuts open that tap and
then it reestablishes. And like I

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mentioned last week, the contractors
that do this process, they put out door

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knockers, they talk to comm, you know,
they talk to the area residents

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basically asking them to not use your,
you know, your facilities or don't flush

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something for, you know, the next three
hours, those type things. And that way

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they can get that work done. Jeff,
what's the longest they ever have to ask

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them to not? Is three hours normal?
>> Three hours is typical. Yeah. Um it I've

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seen some of them go up to five hours,
but they try to actually do these at

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times when most people are at work. You
know, you're never going to get nobody

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on the on the block. But you do have
some time. You know, running a little

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bit of water in a sink, flushing the
toilet is probably going to be okay. But

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a prolonged issue would fill up the the
private line and we wouldn't want that.

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» Thank you.
>> You bet. This is a video that um from

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13th and Hall from a previous year.
And that's just the liner being

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installed um down into the manhole.
Somebody's down at the other manhole

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waiting for it to actually come out. Um
and then once it's complete, they will

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uh blow it up with steam or water and
then they'll reestablish those tabs. So,

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it's pretty slick process, pretty safe
process. Um, this product that mayor is

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recommending, we've used before. It
comes in on spools. They put the spools

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into a steam trailer and the spools are
hard hardened because it's wrapped

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around spools and then it softens and
then they're able to actually pull it

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through and uh fix fix the problem. And
as I mentioned too last week, the liner

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itself is very very thin. It's no more
than a quarter inch. And so, you think

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about an 8 inch sewer pipe. Um, it's not
squeezing down that sewer pipe very

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much, just by an extra quarter of an
inch on the inside of it, but it's like

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a brand new pipe. This is kind of what
it looks like on the lining. The left

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side, you can see that there's damaged
pipe, there's soil, there's cracks all

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over the place. I mean, it's not going
to look perfectly smooth like it does on

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the right looks a lot better and it's
it's keeping all the soil out and um

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protecting the integrity of that line,
but it does show on the side. It does

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see some you see some of the things, but
all in all, you have basically a brand

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new line that's put through there.
Uh after the question last week, um I

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can't remember which commissioner asked
it. I apologize, but I was asked about

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what type of material and how much do we
have in the ground? Uh VCP uh vitrifi

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vitrified clay pipe. I can never say
that right. I apologize. That's about

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93% of what we have in our system. And
so everything in brown on that map,

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which is a little bit easier to see than
all the other colors, that is what is

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used has been used. And if you look down
there at the far southern part of the

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city of Hayes, oldest part of Hayes, I
kind of went over and I looked at some

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of I looked on GIS, look some of the
houses, you know, houses were built in

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1940 on this block. So you could kind of
estimate that probably the sewer went in

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about that time. That kind of pipe can
get you about 100 100 plus years. Um, so

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it it is good pipe, but it it is
breakable just like anything is. Um, we

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had went away a few quite a few years
ago to only doing PVC. So if you look at

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the blue spots in town, all the blue is
PVC sewer line. So that makes up, and I

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know it's hard for you to see that PVC
is about 19.81%.

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So um, hold on, back up. PVC is 19
81 miles, not percent. VCP is 93 miles.

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I apologize. There's some other things.
Force man. If you look along the bypass,

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that's our force man. The reason there's
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of pipe. It actually is pushing from one
um lift station around the bypass to get

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it up and over a hill so we can actually
gravity into um the the sewer plant. We

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have some private lines. Um, Prairie
Acres is private. You can kind of barely

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see it, but where the the Big Creek um
the mall is, that's all private sewer in

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there. So, that's in red. So, there's
some different types of lines that we

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don't necessarily clean because they're
private or we have force main, but for

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the most part, most of our line is VCP
that's in the ground, 93 miles. And as

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we are switching out any projects, we
change over to um into PVC. So hopefully

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that helps a little bit with last week's
question.

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» Yes,
>> that uh you said some like 1940s, early

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50s. So that's able to be lined if we
need to.

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» Yeah, it can be lined. And that's 8
inch. And some of those some of those

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we've seen where we've lined. Let me
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quick.
So you see the red red lines down by

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campus. Hey, I got one of these things.

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» Am I doing this right? Oh boy. So that
one was line.

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» Okay.
>> And that's down by campus. So that was

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probably
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» That's awesome.
>> Because what is the cost per mile to

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switch from BCP to uh PBC?
>> Uh I'll have to get back with you on

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that. Off the top of my head.
>> I wish I had I should have the bid

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document. Well, I could look here.
>> More than the linear foot line.

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» Yes. Yes. Absolutely.
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we solicited proposals for multiple
contractors as we always do with all of

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our projects. Like I mentioned in
developing our estimate for 2026, we

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used 24 pricing. When the bids were
open, pricing was much more favorable

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than we anticipated. A large portion of
the savings for our 2026 bids was that

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mayor's proposed liner is not as
expensive as what was used by CC Steel

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in 2024. Very adequate, very commonly
used. It's one that we've used before,

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but that difference equated to about
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less than we anticipated when we were
putting the project together. And so

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that's where we had quite a bit of
savings. And like I said, both

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materials, all the types of materials
we've used for all of our projects, none

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of it's failed. Everything when they go
through and they do the next cleaning

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project and they go right through one of
those lines to do cleaning and

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inspection, they're clean. Nothing's
failed. Nothing's having a problem. It's

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like a brand new pipe. So, we've had
seen we have seen great success um with

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that. Um I mentioned this last week,
too. We do not have a um C, excuse me,

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we don't have a mayor um contractor
rating sheet for this project. Back in

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2022, we we just for some reason we
didn't have one in there, but mayor

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we've worked with um significantly on
the manhole rehab project. They use

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similar type of material when they're
doing our manholes. uh similar type of

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crew, similar project manager. I'm very
confident that mayor uh will do a good

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job for us because they have in the past
and we'll work on making sure that if

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this is approved, we don't miss another
contractor rating sheet.

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» Do we have a a contractor rating sheet
on them from any of the other projects

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I've done?
>> 20. Um I have six years I have six years

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of contractor rating sheets for manhole
rehab.

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» Okay.
>> So,

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» thank you.
>> Um work has been great. Um easy to work

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with. If you do award it tonight, it
would start September 1st and it would

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go through December 31st would be the
last date. Um, and I put in there the

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original bids in bold, but the the base
plus the the additional patches 254,640

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is what we're asking you to approve
today. So, for financial consideration,

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we budgeted 350,000.
We're recommending the project cost as I

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mentioned and that is a remaining
balance of 95,360

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from what we budgeted mentioned again
that in future years we'll be looking at

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doing some combination of a project that
way we can kind of get it so I wouldn't

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come in front of you more than once it I
would be once for both projects so these

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are your options to approve it to direct
us to another option or to do nothing

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and this is the action I would request
and I would stand for your additional

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questions.
>> I'll move we authorize the city manager

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to enter into an agreement with my mayor
specialty services to complete the 2026

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sanitary sewer point repairs and lining
project for $254,640

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to be funded from the water reclamation
capital.

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» I second motion by Commissioner Mucil,
second by Commissioner Bing. Questions

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or comments for Jeff?
>> Is there any I'm trying to find it. I

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don't see. Is there any manholes being
redone this time?

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» Yeah, I'm working on the project right
now to come back to you.

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» That's a separate project from this.
Okay.

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» Yeah, we we haven't brought that to you
just yet. Okay.

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» But that will be coming.
>> So,

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» but Jeeoff, I appreciate you
consistently doing this. To me, this is

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just important as is the water lines and
street maintenance, stuff like that.

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It's just something we have to do to
keep on top of. So, I appreciate very

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much what you're doing with this.
>> Sometimes it's hard because you don't

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see it. Yeah, exactly.
>> You know,

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» you use it.
>> Yep.

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» We have a city in the state that's
struggling right now with water issues

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and pipes and all the stuff that isn't
done. Uh not a pretty situation. I'm

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certainly glad we don't have to deal
with anything like that because projects

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like this. It's appreciated.

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» I like the maintenance and keeping up on
things. I've said that multiple times. I

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like that you've got a structured format
that's showing uh improvement. so much

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improvement so that you're hunting for
more projects to add to it. Um it sounds

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like you're you're on the right path
there. My thought for the commission is

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is if we're coming in under budget
$100,000

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instead of keep putting the money back
into this. Maybe that's $100,000 we

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could use to save the citizens a little
bit down the road. We've still got a

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good program. We're still getting ahead
of the curve with what you're doing and

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I love that. they should be commended
for that, but instead of just continuing

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to use more of that money, why not
rebudget it and save somewhere else in

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the budget?
>> That's my thoughts.

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» And I mentioned last week, commissioner,
that we do have in the future,

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[laughter and clears throat] you know,
we need to be looking at our force mains

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and we will we just spent quite a bit of
money to upgrade that Highway 40 lift

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station that was approved a couple years
ago. you know, we are going to have some

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other maintenance coming up for some
lift stations. So, it is all part of the

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maintenance of it and there's always
going to be some repairs to the sewer

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line system, but we've made some
significant progress that will help us

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in the future. So,
>> keep budgeting for those big plans.

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» Yep.
I just appreciate that while we were

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looking at doing those 20 repairs with
it coming in so much under budget that

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you went ahead and looked how many more
we could take care of this year instead

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of waiting when potentially they cost
more. So thank you

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» Jeff. The question I had for you um is
you know comparing what we what CCCL had

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in 2024 and these ones we had the
reinstate service connection was quite a

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bit higher. I mean it was back when we
did it with CC Steel now they're both

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very much cheaper which I appreciate.
Yeah. Um, do you know why that

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» CC Steel had a change in leadership as
far as their

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» their project manager moved to a
different company. Um, we've worked with

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him many times before. Um, I think there
might have been some estimating issues

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with with what that was [clears throat]
what was going on there. They've had

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some changes in who's doing their their
bidding. So, and you know, CC Steel,

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it's quite a ways for them to actually
come down here. It's like three states

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away,
>> right?

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» So,
>> no, thank you for that. Yeah, and it's

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it's something that I think we kind of
talked about last week, too. You know,

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the important of importance of
preventative maintenance before it

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becomes too much of a problem that you
do have to go in and do complete

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trenches, replace entire lines, and then
it gets really expensive. Service gets

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cut um while you're waiting to get that
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» and you're tearing up street.
>> Exactly. Gets really expensive really

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fast. So, be able to do this one under
budget um and looking forward to, hey,

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we can attack something else before it
rises in cost because nothing ever goes

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down. Um I appreciate you looking into
that and being proactive with it. Um

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with uh Commissioner Valing's question,
the water reclamation capital can we can

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shift money wherever we want, can we?
[snorts]

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» Well, that's what I'm I wanted to
verify. So, so yeah, when you when you

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collect uh when you levy a rate or
collect a rate from users, um part of

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that's used for operations, part of it's
used for water production, um part of it

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is transferred to reserves to be used
for capital projects like this,

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» right? Um, so, um, I think what Jeff was
was was saying to Commissioner Wilson's

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question was, um, we kind of have
capital needs that are in excess of our

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capital dollars, you know, so if we are
able to lower our estimate on this

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because we're maybe catching up with the
maintenance. And keep in mind, we didn't

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budget any money for sewer maintenance
until about eight years ago, right?

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» Um, and so we had to play a lot of
catchup, including like digging up Main

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Street to replace it, you know, things
like that. Um, but if we're catching up,

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he's got lots of other things he could
reallocate that to, you know, to to make

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sure that we're keeping those things
covered.

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» Okay.
>> There.

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» So, the revenue is not outpacing
projects.

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» What's that?
>> Revenue is not outpacing projects.

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» We And we've got other projects like
some other demo at the at the wastewater

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treatment plant that we've got planned
in the future. You'll see on CIP for the

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future.
>> Um, so there is some different things

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that we we need to be prepared for.
>> Okay. But u now I would say

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» tracing is going to be something that
we're not going to see

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» from a solveny standpoint. We're more
solvent in waste water than water.

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» Right.
>> Right.

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» When you look at the buffer and the
comfort zone um we're way more

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comfortable in wastewater than we are
than we are with with water.

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» And it's a little bit different funding,
but we also are paying back for our

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wastewater treatment plant upgrade, too.
>> We're making an SRF payment every every

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year.
Toby, to be clear, the money in, you

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know, in wastewater, let's say we save
another 100,000 next year.

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» We can't take that money and put it in
general fund.

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» Uh, no,
>> that has to stay

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» it it stays within it stays in
wastewater.

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» What you could do is you could push off
rate increases,

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» right? Right.
>> The more money you save, you don't

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spend, you push off necessary rate
increases.

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» Okay.
>> Yep.

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» It's just because of the funding source.
>> Yeah.

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» Okay.
>> Okay. Does that make sense? Yeah.

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» Okay.
>> Good question. I didn't know the answer

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that.
>> Okay. Any other questions or comments on

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sanitary sewer point?
>> Okay. I'll call for the vote. All in

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favor, please say I.
>> I.

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» Opposed.
>> Passes 5-0. Thanks, Jeff.

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» Resolution authorizing the offering for
sale of general obligation securities.

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The sale resolution. Kim.
>> Good afternoon, commissioners. Kim Rup,

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director of finance.
Just a real quick res resolution for you

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today. This is uh the next step in the
process of doing a bond issue in the

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fall. This particular bond issue will
take care of the infrastructure for tall

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grass phase 4 as well as the exit 161.
Uh we have to ask for the maximum in

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these documents. Um because we
particularly the exit 161 we did issue

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temporary notes of 4 million. So we have
to ask for that. The uh sizing of that

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bond will come in August. Likely the
exit 161 will be more around the 1.3 1.4

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million because we did get the the grow
haze uh economic grant uh that we were

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able to apply towards that.
So to provide an orderly plan of finance

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for the city, staff recommends that the
city issue general obligation bonds to

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fund the tall grass phase 4
infrastructure and permanently finance

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the exit 161 fin uh infrastructure.
State law and capital market structures

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require that city staff and the city's
adviserss take various actions prior to

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city offering any of its general
obligation bonds or temporary notes for

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sale. Uh those actions may include
publication requirements, offering

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documents drafting, and other
preparations to receive bids on the

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securities for sale. Approval of the
sale resolution that we have before you

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will authorize all necessary actions to
offer for sale the city's general

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obligation bonds for the purpose stated.
If the sale resolution is approved, the

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city will prepare to solicit and receive
bids for the sale of those securities.

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the bids will be presented to the to you
uh for approval in its meeting in August

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uh where the commission can accept the
best bid or reject all of those. So

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pretty straightforward not much to it.
Um options would be to approve that

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resolution, decline or provide us with
other direction and we would ask for

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approval.
I move approval of resolution number

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2026-011
authorizing the offering for sale of the

409
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:04,480
city's general obligation bonds andor
temporary notes.

410
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,200
» I second it.
>> Motion by Commissioner Jacobs, second by

411
00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:10,799
Commissioner Biceing. Question or
comments for Kim.

412
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:14,080
» It's nice to get the money back from Gro
Hayes on get the money from the grant. I

413
00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:17,840
think we should make that clear. I took
it from 4 million to 1.3. That's a big

414
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,279
deal. We've kind of gone, you know, over
it every time we go through it, but I'm

415
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,200
going to keep talking about it.
>> Big deal. those grants

416
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,200
» correct
>> helping us out. agree.

417
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:31,919
» And then just verification this is not
an increase in we have dedicated funding

418
00:30:30,399 --> 00:30:38,000
sources for these set up already
>> at this point we are able so the the uh

419
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:40,799
exit 161 is the portion that the city is
responsible for the [clears throat]

420
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:47,120
other the tall grass that's going to be
RHID funded um ultimately if the RHID

421
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:52,399
revenue doesn't meet that need then we
would have to possibly um levy for it

422
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:58,640
but at this time uh projections show
that won't occur.

423
00:30:53,679 --> 00:31:04,240
So the exit 161 does include uh in 2027.
So we're doing the bond in 26. Payments

424
00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:07,200
start in 27. 27's budget that we've uh
put before you has this included in it.

425
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:09,520
» Yes.
>> Perfect.

426
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:13,279
» Okay. Any question?
>> And the amount for that levy actually is

427
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,039
going down from what it was the previous
year.

428
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,640
» Yeah. The proposed levy for the bond and
interest is lower. Yeah.

429
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,640
» Than last year.
>> The levy rate is correct.

430
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,080
» Correct.
>> Yes.

431
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:25,120
» Okay.
>> Okay. Anything else? Okay, call for a

432
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,480
vote on that. All in favor, please say
I.

433
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,039
» I.
>> Opposed? Passes 5.

434
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,640
» Thank you.
>> Thanks, Kim.

435
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:36,600
» All right, commission inquiries and
comments. Commissioner B.

436
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:45,360
I really wish Ruben would have stuck
around. I uh

437
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:51,960
talk to him, I guess, a little bit, but
uh hopefully he watches this or listens

438
00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:51,960
to it later. Um,

439
00:31:52,080 --> 00:32:00,320
it's frustrating when our neighbors
aren't good neighbors and they make a

440
00:31:56,399 --> 00:32:05,919
mess and it ends up in our yards. U,
I've experienced it. I didn't like it.

441
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:12,720
But like a good neighbor, I've talked to
my neighbors and we work together as a

442
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:18,159
community to clean up and to pick up and
to be good neighbors. Um, if Ruben's

443
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:23,039
getting up there in age, you need some
help,

444
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:28,640
you know, my number's out there, give me
a call. I didn't get his email. Uh, he

445
00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:32,000
said he sent everybody. So,
uh,

446
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:37,840
» I just checked as soon as he said he
sent us an email. I didn't see it. So,

447
00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:44,240
I hope in the future he gives me a call.
I'd be more than happy to come out there

448
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:47,679
July 5th, help him pick up trash.
I might even talk to some of the veteran

449
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,559
organizations and some of the Boy Scout
groups or something. See if we can't get

450
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:55,120
something put together and organized to
help out the elderly

451
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:58,159
after the 4th of July.
>> This is a community event. We need to

452
00:32:56,799 --> 00:33:03,360
work together as a community. That's
what makes the Fourth of July so great.

453
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:07,039
And yeah, we only celebrate it once a
year,

454
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:14,559
but it's what makes us special as a
country. There's holidays that get an

455
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:19,679
entire month, you know.
we get one day, why not let the folks

456
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:24,399
have a couple of days to set off some
fireworks and celebrate it the way it

457
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:28,080
was intended? I think John Adams said it
something along the lines of the 4th of

458
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:33,679
July should be celebrated with pump and
circumstance and he didn't use

459
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:38,733
fireworks, but he he said something of
that nature

460
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,240
of the harbor.
[laughter]

461
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:45,120
You
>> know, that's what that's our culture.

462
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:49,200
That's America.
>> So, Ruben, if you're listening, give me

463
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:54,480
a call. I'll help clean up those
fireworks next year. Um,

464
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:59,039
as far as the budget goes, I've been
digging through that, trying to find

465
00:33:56,559 --> 00:34:03,200
some creative ways maybe we can save.
Um, I hope the fellow commissioners are

466
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:08,800
doing the same. I might reach out to a
few of you and talk about some ideas I

467
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:13,119
got. Um, there's plenty of ways for us
to save some funding.

468
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:18,639
I know it's not going to make some
people happy, but people want

469
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:23,200
reductions. They don't want the budget
to stay the flat. They don't want

470
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:28,320
revenue neutral. They want to be taxed
less. So, that's my thoughts is let's

471
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:34,320
give them what they want. Let's find
some ways to tax them a little less.

472
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:37,599
» Awesome. Thank you, Sandy. I appreciate
the comments on neighbors because we

473
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:42,240
happen to be out of town for the weekend
and anybody that wants to be really

474
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:46,960
upset, we were at our grand our
daughter's and son-in-law's farm. He's a

475
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:52,399
retired military, retired colonel. Every
year he gets a bigger roll of

476
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:57,040
firecrackers. This year it had 6,000
fire and he likes it all. Just likes

477
00:34:55,359 --> 00:35:01,280
that puppy. Rolls it out there and puts
it around. Just likes it. Most miserable

478
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:05,440
thing, but we give him the honor of
doing it himself. But when we got back,

479
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:09,280
interestingly, neighbors on the to the
south, the street south of us came over

480
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:13,280
and with their little boy and they said,
"We think you have some bottle rockets

481
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:16,560
in your backyard that came from us. We
didn't want to go in your backyard when

482
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:19,280
you're gone." So, we opened. Sure
enough, there were three bottle rockets

483
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,440
back there. And they came over to get
them out. So, I thought that was very

484
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,160
nice. So, we do need to be good
neighbors. I really don't have anything

485
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,160
else.
>> Okay.

486
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:37,280
asked the same thing this week and I
wish like you said Mr. Shookman would

487
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:41,359
have stayed. Um I was actually um
messaged from some of his neighbors and

488
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:44,800
they've all lived there forever and said
they're very neighborly. They're all

489
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:49,040
friendly and they you know have a good
time together and they they feel

490
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:52,800
concerned. You know, Ruben's out there
taking photos of them and they feel

491
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,760
uncomfortable. And back to what you
said, you know, maybe just go talk to

492
00:35:54,320 --> 00:36:00,079
your neighbors, you know, and I have
neighbors to the south that

493
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:03,359
yeah, they shoot off more fireworks than
I would ever shoot off, but you know,

494
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:08,880
you get up the next morning, it's
usually cleaned up. And um you know, I

495
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:13,839
had some in my backyard. I cleaned it up
and it took me probably less than five

496
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:17,119
minutes and stuff. And I I don't know. I
mean, the only way you're going to solve

497
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:20,800
this, we either don't have them or we
have them. There's no there's nobody

498
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:24,880
there's no way to make everybody happy.
And I will tell you, if we don't have

499
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:29,280
them, there's going to be I would say
more than 50% of this town is gonna be

500
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,119
really pissed off at us. And I'm just
not

501
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:35,680
» they're gonna be upset.
>> No, that's good. That's a good word,

502
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:40,480
too. But, um, I I'm not at the point to
where I I would not be against, uh,

503
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:44,079
maybe changing how many days we have it,
but I don't know. I don't think it's

504
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:47,599
going to make him any happier
personally, but I I appreciate his

505
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:51,680
comments. I appreciate what he gave us.
He's done this for the last few years.

506
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:55,280
And I mean, he's not wrong on anything
he says, but I also think if you just

507
00:36:53,839 --> 00:37:00,079
talk to your neighbors directly instead
of sneaking around, taking photos, maybe

508
00:36:57,839 --> 00:37:04,079
they would uh maybe they get along a
little bit better in my opinion.

509
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:10,079
That's all you have.
>> Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Kan.

510
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:14,400
» Um, so again, I wanted to make some
comments on fireworks. I happen to

511
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:21,200
receive several emails over the week
that we're commending the city of Hayes

512
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:26,480
in allowing fireworks and um kind of
that commodity that it provided the

513
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:32,960
neighborhoods or organizations that
gathered. It was a very big year, the

514
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:37,520
250th. Um I wanted to just kind of read
an excerpt out of one of the emails I

515
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:44,400
received. I did receive several. They
all were very positive and thankful. Um,

516
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,839
this one just highlights basically what
most commissioners have already stated,

517
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:51,359
but this little excerpt says, "I
understand that not everyone enjoys

518
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:55,280
fireworks and that balancing the
interest of an entire community is not

519
00:37:53,280 --> 00:38:00,000
an easy task. While there will always be
a small number of people who come with

520
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:04,160
complaints, know that the most Hayes
residents are truly grateful for the

521
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:09,119
decision on fireworks. We hope that
those voices are not overshadowed.

522
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:12,960
We took the opportunity to drive around
Hayes this week and were greatly and

523
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:17,599
genuinely impressed at how well the
community cared for the city after the

524
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:21,839
holiday. There were a few pieces of
debris that might have been missed here

525
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:26,240
or there, but in large, most of it had
been picked up and residents had cleaned

526
00:38:23,839 --> 00:38:29,760
after themselves by taking pride in
keeping Hayes beautiful. It's

527
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:34,240
encouraging to see our community not
only enjoy the holiday, but also take

528
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:38,720
responsibility for preserving the city
we all call home. Um, so I just wanted

529
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:44,400
to share those comments. I thought that
it was very well written and I know that

530
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:49,920
not everybody picks up after themselves,
but I think the majority as a whole, we

531
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:54,960
do a good job. I know our culde-sac
personally was a little quieter this

532
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:59,359
year. Not as many fireworks, but still
um we have a lot of teenagers in our

533
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:04,000
neighborhood now. They're all growing
and they did a good job of gathering up

534
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:08,720
the bulk. And then um I will say the
adults gathered midday the next day and

535
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:13,520
did a really good clean sweep of
everything. So, um I hope the majority

536
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:16,400
of people did get to enjoy the holiday.
That's all I have.

537
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:20,079
» Hey, mayor. Can I say one more thing?
>> Something that Ruben said that kind of

538
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:24,079
concerned me is saying that people are
scared to talk to us or afraid we won't

539
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:28,560
listen. Couldn't be further from the
truth. None of us would not respond to

540
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:32,800
somebody. You may not agree or we may
not agree with you, but all of us if you

541
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:38,960
email us, we always respond. You call,
we call back. So, I hope nobody's ever

542
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:44,560
scared to contact any of us.
Agreed.

543
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:47,920
» Okay. Um, yeah, I I thought it was a I
thought it was a great Fourth of July.

544
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:51,760
Parade was really really uh wonderful.
Really well attended. Uh, heard a lot of

545
00:39:49,839 --> 00:39:57,280
good things about Wild Westfest. Three
amazing bands. Um, and yeah, the you

546
00:39:54,800 --> 00:40:03,359
know, the night of the fireworks uh
something that we did is I we made my

547
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:08,000
kids
their cousins. Um if they noticed any

548
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:11,680
trash on the ground, they picked it up.
Um we had our bucket, we put all the

549
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:15,920
trash in, made sure it was disposed of
properly. Um but we told them if you get

550
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:20,480
anything out, you make a mess, you
notice a mess, pick it up. Um and they

551
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:25,040
did. Um, after everything was done,
after all the time uh had expired for

552
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:28,640
shooting him off, I walked around kind
of up and down my street um on both

553
00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:32,480
sides with a flashlight and went and
pick stuff out of people's yards for him

554
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:36,800
because, you know, it's one thing unless
you got to do. Um, but it's just the the

555
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:41,280
neighborly thing to do. I don't think
you're going to be able to legislate uh

556
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,040
being a neighbor. Um, you're you're
going to have to

557
00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:46,640
» kind of like being a parent.
>> Yeah. You can't legislate parenting and

558
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:52,640
you can't legislate being a neighbor.
You've got to actually communicate with

559
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:55,680
one another and uh understand that uh
your actions can affect people and the

560
00:40:54,560 --> 00:41:01,520
best way to do that is communicate with
them and come up to a solution together.

561
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:05,520
Um and then I' I'd also heard the uh the
event that happened at the the church

562
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:09,040
north of town for the veterans. I
believe the women who lead the

563
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:15,520
organization uh help cover the cost for
that. Um they had actually people from

564
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:20,480
the event in Hutchinson at the salt mine
uh was actually full. So they had people

565
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,640
from Hutchinson come out to that event.
>> Um

566
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,760
» which I think is a lot of fun.
>> That's cool.

567
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:27,200
» Wow.
>> Um

568
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:30,960
» number that I don't know. I can find a
number out, but I know that they're

569
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:35,359
looking at maybe trying to expand it
even more next year um to accept people

570
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,198
from outside the community as well who
want to participate. So I think that's

571
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,359
» build the salt mine. Yeah,
[clears throat] the salt mine was full.

572
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,680
» I mean that it'd be a cool place to
celebrate. I mean there's a lot of cool

573
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:48,800
things down there.
>> Um but yeah, I mean offering that's how

574
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,599
things get h how things happen.
Community came together and provided

575
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,599
that option for you.
>> Um

576
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:57,680
» I know there's a few different
organizations looking at doing something

577
00:41:54,720 --> 00:42:01,920
for pets too. Um so it's community
coming together. We're not going to

578
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:06,000
legislate our way out of that. Um I
think other than that I don't have

579
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:09,760
anything else really to talk about
and we have an executive session I

580
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:15,680
believe.
I would request the city commission

581
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:19,280
enter into an executive session um to
include the city commission, city

582
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:26,000
attorney, city manager, deputy city
manager, assistant city manager

583
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:30,400
um for a period not to exceed 20 minutes
to discuss uh confidential data relating

584
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:34,319
to financial affairs or trade secrets or
corporations, partnerships, trust, and

585
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,920
individual proprietorships.
>> So moved.

586
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:41,760
» Second. Motion by Commissioner Jacobs,
second by Commissioner Cunningham.

587
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:47,760
Questions or comments? Call for a vote.
All in favor, please say I.

588
00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:49,839
» I. Opposed. passes. 5
session