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It's 5:30
and um our call meeting is slated for

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that time. So, if you all will, we're
going to begin our meeting and we're

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going to ask our uh chief of police that
he'll give us that invitation. Please

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pray with me. What gracious God, we come
to you now, Father, in your prayer,

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Lord, call upon your name, Lord, dear
God, to be with us tonight, Father. We

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ask you to be with the city, Father. We
have to meet with the attendees. Father,

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we come here for a focus and a purpose,
Lord. Dear God, tonight, Lord, I pray

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that you will work with this city
government. They'll be good stewardship,

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Father. They'll do what's right for the
city, Father, for everyone that's

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involved here, Father. Father, we focus
on the circumstance tonight. We ask for

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the wisdom and the guidance, Lord, that
it will be pleasing to everyone here,

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Lord. Only you can work these things
out, Father. I trust in you, Father. As

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we come here tonight, Father, just give
us everything we need that we all focus

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that we come together as unity. Father,
in unity become strength. Father, if it

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is in the name of your son, Jesus, we
pray for this. Thank you. Amen. In the

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name of Jesus.
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» If you all stand for pledge, please.

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I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.
>> Thank you, sir.

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» All right, y'all. We thank y'all for
coming today. Um, our mayor had an

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appointment so he's not able to be here
and um, it's going to be informal. So,

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we're going to go ahead. We have a
councilman that is on the phone. I think

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it is.
>> Yes, sir. We have Elizabeth. You there?

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» Yes, I'm here.
>> So, uh, we're going to just have a

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byside discussion. We're going to turn
this part because we're here to discuss

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the animal shelter and I'm going turn
that part now in the hands of Mr. Jones.

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» All right. Good afternoon or good
evening. How's everybody doing today?

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All right. So, um even though we we
titled it as a call meeting, we won't be

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making any votes tonight. This is
strictly an informative

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session that we're having dealing with
the animal shelter and the procedures

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that should happen from now on. So I
just want everybody to understand that

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um we have those policies are in
um in our standing opposite of the

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procedures that we have. We're just
going to reiterate them. So then in case

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something like this may happen again or
close to this that everybody will know

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what the protocol is. Okay.
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So once again I said this meeting is
inform our partners that we have here.

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Vhos where you at? Well Vh

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okay good. And the citizens of the
recent actions taking place in the city

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on Friday. Um, that wasn't a call
meeting. That wasn't a formal meeting,

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but it was a meeting with certain
individuals in it. We're just trying to

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clarify the the policies that we have
set in place months ago.

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This is
what the city must do to keep good

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relationship
with our partners cuz that's our focus.

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Without our partners in the city, we do
know based off of the budget and

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everything else, we as a city cannot
afford certain expenses. And we we

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definitely appreciate what our partners
do for us.

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Like I said again, we will not be voting
today. Just clarify.

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The city shelter as we know it is shut
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It means that
we cannot have any intakes.

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So what does that mean exactly for the
citizens? I know we still have stray

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dogs that may be running the area,
whatever. We as a city cannot hold those

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animals.
We can't pick them up and we can't do

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the things that needs to be done for the
city. The shelter is closed due to some

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replacing and repairs for the shelter
due to the storm that happened almost

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two years ago. So, it's needed repairs.
Where's our uh carpenter? Uh

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thank you ma'am for being here. Um
and the reason that the shelter is shut

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down because of the department of
agriculture. We had two violations. One

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of the violations was structure and the
other violations was was drainage.

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All linked into uh the storm that
happened.

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With that being said, we have to
evacuate all the dogs.

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What we will do, and it's in our policy,
the first thing that we will do is that

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we will notify our partners as soon as
possible. I said our partners who

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partner with the city. Raise your hand
again for the ones that partner with the

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city to make sure things happen and
spending y'all volunteer time going out

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there to the shelter feeding, bathing,
worming, and all that. So from now on,

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when we have to evacuate the shelter for
whatever it may be, you guys will be the

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first to be called. And after you are
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um will give you a timeline on which the
dogs, the animals can be picked up and

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that timeline and for whatever reason
sometime things come up where you can't

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do it. Then we will activate our outside
sources like we have now which is

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Thomasville, Georgia. So the first step
that we will do is activate Vhos.

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Then if you cannot respond,
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when the shelter reopens.
What we would like also every dog names

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I know y'all do already.
But one thing that we we do have inside

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of the shelter, we have an R on the
board. Good, good idea, but we would

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like to go a step further. This will
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every dog that has been officially
rescued with that with one of the

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partners that you have that you've been
talking with. We want the name of the

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dog. We want the name of the rescue
agency and the different medical things

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that that rescue has took have done.
That helps us out. That'll help Miss Kim

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out. She's the one does accounts
payable. So anything any transaction

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that goes to the vet when she gets those
bills in she can put name for name

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procedures to procedures. With that
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um we want that at the shelter and we
want via email

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so that way we can keep track and see
just because we won't give you a

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response but at least we'll have a paper
trail in case something happens.

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The individuals on that list who needs
to be notified will be our spokesman.

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The person that is supposed to speak for
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Chief of Police,

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Miss Bernese,
Miss Kim,

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the mayor,
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I know I don't know did that trans did
we have any pickup today to go to um

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I just said the name Thomas field today
come and I think

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» okay so right this moment it should be 6
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» I do understand that you guys are making
coordinations to move

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but before they move this is going to
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before they move. We need the names of
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Um, and we also need um the rescues or
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giving monies or volunteering whatever
that they have, whether toys or

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whatever. We need that today so we can
put that in our paperwork

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to show that these dogs are taken care
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Um, I know y'all say y'all want to do it
today. So, I'm hoping y'all prepared to

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give that up after this, right? And what
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a timeline
if we don't have it before 12:00 p.m.

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tomorrow, right? We'll make the
coordinations with Thomasville for the

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additional six. This is to protect the
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our partners, and the animals.
clarify that right there, Chris. Go

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ahead. 5 p.m. That just means we need
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» That is correct. I mean, we understand
y'all are working or whatever. Like,

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just so we know the arrangements, you
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that we do have them taken care of.
We're all good. Not clear there.

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» Did everybody get that? Just
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taken care of, that that [snorts]
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And I guess
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picking up by 12:00 p.m. tomorrow.
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» Um you just need the paperwork 5:00 p.m.
tomorrow. Just the paperwork.

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» Just the paperwork. That's what we need
cuz we know it's I think one's supposed

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to be potentially leaving tomorrow based
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transport tomorrow. I think to Florida,
right? Is that the one that you was

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talking about?
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and lastly, we do appreciate everyone
for showing up today, showing your

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support. And I guess the last thing, Mr.
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have any questions or comments dealing
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» I would just like to clear clear
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the update to the procedure um that
Chris explained. So we know that you

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know there have been there has been
recordeping on outtakes and intakes but

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we're just asking moving forward that as
soon as you know of a organization that

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is going to rescue a dog that we get
that both printed and electronic. So,

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all the details that you would typically
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could go just on a document to say,
"Hey, on October 5th, this dog Rocky,

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I'm just I'm using that name. No clue."
But Rocky is going to be out to this

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organization. And that is to protect you
guys as much as the city, as much as our

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officers that are working out there and
our employees. That way, if this happens

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again, we have it both written and
electronic, you know, and everyone knows

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where every dog is, what's in in in
motion, right? because I realize a lot

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of times y'all have worked on things in
the background which we're so

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appreciative of that we have no clue
about. You know, I'm willing to admit

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that like y'all are doing double triple
the work that we even know of. And so,

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but we need to know of that to have your
back when this happens again in the

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future. I think that's the biggest
thing. And that could be as simple just

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like today that email thread where
you're just informing us like, "Hey,

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we've talked to this organization in
South Dakota and we're transporting this

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dog on October 5th." That's all we're
asking for moving forward. That's all I

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got.
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» I think one second. That's that's it for
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the back and if you want to acknowledge
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» All right.
>> May I ask when

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» can you step up front, ma'am, please?
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» Space sellers. I was wondering when the
city's going to have the repairs to the

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animal shelter completed since it's been
two years since the hurricane and when

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will the drainage I mean it's something
like lighting or power the wastewater

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treatment plant when when will that be
done? We actually have the contractor

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for the city here with us tonight.
Unfortunately, FEMA, GEMA, and insurance

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companies do not work in a hurry. We had
to hire a public adjuster for the city

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to work our claim.
>> So that is to be

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» two years.
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we're still battling that. And I have
talked with the public adjuster every

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week, if not every week, every 10 days
and they are telling us that it will be

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settled by September the 30th. However,
we as the city have to contacting Miss

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Christina Jones. She is going to begin
work this week. Roberto's work. You've

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already started. We're going on
the assumption that we'll be receiving a

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check. I'm not going to say by the end
of the month cuz I dealt with it for two

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years.
>> Let's not put a time on it, but we'll

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get it.
>> But we're working on it.

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» And this will be up to the Department of
Agriculture standards or

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» Yes, ma'am.
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» and then we can place it off there
again. Uh but once the department

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because they will have to come in and
inspect and do I'm very I'm pretty sure

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I've never had to work with them before.
Um whatever they say that's what will go

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by. Okay. Well the people out there that
have been taking care of the animal they

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do a amazing job with very much support
from the city and I just think that that

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this needs to be a priority. I mean, if
we have animals roaming the city, we

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need to provide, you know, humane stuff
for them to you wouldn't want your

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animal, you know, the heat, poor
drainage and structural problems and

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stuff like that. And I think they need
to be a top priority. And I'm here on

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the animal. I'm the animal. I love
animals and I think they do an amazing

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job, but for some reason, it seems like
they always get the

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they get we've had to rearrange
priorities since May. I'm not going to

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tell you no fear. Trust me, as finance
director and city clerk, I do all of it.

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And we have moved this one to the top.
We actually pulled her from another job

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so that we can get this done.
Unfortunately, with the state coming in

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that kind of put it up there for us. So,
and thankfully I've got good counsel

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that
they will see to that. So, you

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[clears throat] say by September 30th
I'll have all the renovations completed.

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I don't know. Um
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This is the the tricky part. I don't I
don't like giving my opinion. For those

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that know me, I don't like giving an
opinion on something. I only speak on

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facts. The fact is that right now is
that it's been almost two years. Fact

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is, we have people working on it now. I
don't want to give my opinion and I

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don't want anybody to give an opinion on
the deadline or when it's going to be

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completed. All we know is it's getting
done and we're doing the best that we

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can with the resources that we have.
>> But for the state to have to step in, it

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seems like it's a priority.
>> Well, this so the state

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comes and inspects all the time and last
time we had a couple other things that

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they said that needed to be done and
then every time I know how y'all know

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inspections when they come in, they'll
see this and you fix that and then they

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may come in again and see something
else. So, I'm not want to blame the

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state. I don't want to blame the city. I
don't even want to blame the insurance

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company. I want to blame the hurricane.
That's who I want to blame. But that's

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nobody at all. So, we're doing the best
that we can.

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» I just want to make sure it's priority.
>> Yes, ma'am. It is.

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Sir, asking you.

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» I'm Ron Bonds. My first question I think
has been asked and that was is this

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going to be a permanent shutdown or is
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» Temporary.
>> Temporary. And then my next question is

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uh what steps, if any, are we taking to
reassess what's going to cost in the

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next fiscal year to run the shelter? Are
we making any plans to augment that

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funding somehow?
So based off of our partners that we

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have right we don't we can't do a
guesstimation of cost and the main

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reason is I mean for the building itself
for the general maintenance we can do

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that however we don't know what the
intake is going to be we we can I think

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we hold a total of the state level is 22
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» your license
>> 20 so if we have 20 the whole entire

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time right like for like meals and
whatever it could go up. Right now we

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have well right now we have a total of
six at our facility but prior to that we

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had 14. So it does fluctuate.
>> All right. Thank you.

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» And your name again sir?
>> Ron Bombs.

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» Okay. Ba Ms.
>> Thank you.

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» Anyone else y'all? We thank y'all for
coming and uh you say you finished. I'll

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come up to you.
>> No no I'm the club. Go ahead. Go ahead.

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I was going to say something.
>> And you are?

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» My name is Janet Corker. I'm repres
Hazelhurst Animal Shelter or VHAS. Over

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the past two years, I stood in this room
15 times. I've spent more than a decade

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volunteering at this shelter. VHAS is a
nonprofit organization of volunteers,

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fosters, advocates, donors, and rescue
partners who spent nearly two decades

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serving this community and the animals
that live in shelter temporarily.

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Together we've transformed the shelter
from what was 100% euthanage rate to a

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no kill shelter status by statistics. We
provide medical care, spayneuter, um

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cost of bedding, rescue, transport,
education, and resources to reduce the

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overpopulation of the internet
community. We've cleaned kennels, walk

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dogs, foster animals, dur rescue
partners, and transported them thousands

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of miles, quite literally 95,000 miles
in my car. That's a year and a half.

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We've raised money, paid vet bills, and
spent countless weekends and holidays

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caring for the dogs in this little pink
building tucked away in the corner of

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the town. We've all done this because we
love the dogs. There are 14 dogs who

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were residents of shelter yesterday.
They're not numbers. They are not

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spreadsheets. They're not pawns of
controversy. They're living beings. We

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know these dogs. We know their
personalities, their fears, medical

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histories, and needs. We've photographed
them. We've written their bios, arranged

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veterary care, networkkedorked them
hundreds of times in social media and

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emails to advocates and partners around
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Before Thursday stop order, six of these
dogs have confirmed rescue

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opportunities. Then the stop order was
issued. A rescue offered to take two

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more, meaning we could have moved eight
to 14 dogs the moment we were given

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notice, but we were never given a
chance. Today, eight dogs were moved to

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Thomasville, Humane without meaningful
discussion with EAS, despite our long

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history with the shelter. Tonight I
speak for Leah, Diamond, Licorice,

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Flips, Domino, Cookie, Rocky, and Luna.
They did not cause the stop order. They

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did not fail an inspection and not
choose any of this. They are individual

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lies caught in the middle of decisions.
They have no rule in making and just

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want a second chance. My concern is not
looking. I'm not here to judge them. I

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have not done my research on them. My
concern is the process and transparency.

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I'm glad there's a calling tonight, but
this is not it. There's more discussion

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that's needed.
On Thursday, the Georgia Department of

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Agriculture issued a stop order
affecting the Hayesburg personal

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shelter. We were in this room Thursday
night and not a soul said anything. On

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Friday, members of the city, I'm told,
had a meeting with representatives of

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Department of A. That was not publicly
announced. Details have really shared

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off hands. Very limited at this point.
Who attended? Where are the minutes?

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When is that going to be provided? What
was discussed? Why was the timeline

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given to Wednesday? The first I've heard
about a deadline for dogs to move was

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today.
Again, I've been involved with the

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shelter for a decade.
The state agency took significant

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regulatory action against a city shelter
on Thursday. Again, you guys met. You

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made discussions,
but you didn't involve those who've been

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involved for a long time. I have
questions about the dogs themselves and

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what's going to happen to them. What's
happening to Licorice? She's on stray

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technically. She's not even been at the
shelter for 10 days. She's been

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transferred. We're actively trying to
find her owners because she was recently

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stay. What is the plan with Thomasville
if she works around?

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Who's responsible for the medical care
going forward? What medical care are

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they going to get? You've asked about
medical cost brought up in the room. How

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much do things cost? The dogs that were
sent the eight of them over $3,000 in

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veterary care could be provided. Are we
going to be reimbured? Is that a

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discussion?
Will Thomasville Humane be adopting

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these dogs out? Are they transferring
them to other organizations with Best

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Friends Animal Society they partner
with? Are they simply housing them

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temporarily? Can you give me those
answers? And why again are people who've

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been working volunteering at the shelter
for rescue placements for over a decade

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not brought to the conversation until
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We understand the stop board was issued.
We've been a volunteer at the shelter

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for a long time. I've been in this room
to complain about standards. I've known

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more many more of you than off record.
We've dealt with the insecure the in

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incompatible shelter needs are what we
see is there. However, why was he

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passing out the phone call? The very
first one. I encourage you to think

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about that thought every single day.
Again, we've been your partner for two

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decades.
Trust cannot be rebuilt when

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communication is absent. Early this
year, a rescue relationship was damaged

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related to puppies at the shelter that
were there before the stop order and

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meant to leave the day after. It took
three weeks for the city to advocate for

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those dogs to be released to us.
Unfortunately, it took another week for

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the stop order to be ended at 34 days.
Those dogs waited another four months to

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leave for rescue because we lost a
rescue partner. That rescue partner

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pulled 12 dogs from the shelter last
year. They had not pulled a single one

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since that first stop order. We spent
months trying to rebuild that

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relationship.
Another rescue was meaning to visit in

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September. That was just confirmed last
week. I had to tell them they don't need

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to come now. I had to turn away a
potential adopter and turn them to

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another local shelter and rescue
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There are dogs in this community need to
help. For 39 days year this year in

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counting, the city has been unable to
provide animal services to its community

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because of stop orders. 39 days. I will
post that and regularly communicate that

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to you. This is the second stop order
2026. I'm all for repairs to be done. I

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support it. I can tell you about
thousand things that could be done if

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you want to listen. It's great that we
have plans, but you haven't once again

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picked up the phone and talked to me as
I want transparency. How long are the

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repairs in progress? We might wave on
funds, but they've been designs and

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thoughts. Again, you haven't encouraged
people who've been out there for two

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decades to be involved in the
conversation

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as it says for what is the timeline. I
know you can't give an answer, so I'm

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not going to continue on that topic.
But the community deserves to know these

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answers. The taxpayers deserve to know
the donors to be pass again. $3,000 of

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medical medical expenses gone. We have
to account for it. We have to tell

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people what happened to it. The
volunteers and rescue partners in this

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room tonight and those that are present
for years have passed deserve answers.

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This is a publicly funded shelter. VHAS
has been a willing partner for decades.

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VHAS and the rescue partners we work
with locally have covered $15,000 of

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veterary expenses this year. An
additional $1,500 of physical items, not

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including food and treats and toys,
blankets, etc. have been donated. Over

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2,000 pounds of food and treats have
been donated by the local rescues and

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our donors to a shelter this year alone.
Additionally, just last week, I was

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asked to bring more food because there
were concerns about paying a food bill.

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225 pounds of food was brought last
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We provided volunteer hours on countless
times, fosters, network, transportation,

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etc.
What are you going to do with your

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medical rescues? We're your your point
blank. I have three of your medical

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fosters in my home. we take willingly
and incur those costs. You have a bill

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for $1,000 eped related to one of them
on emergency care walk. Think about that

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in the future when you want to isolate
your partners. I am angry. I'm

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exhausted. I'm heartbroken. Things have
to change. If you want a partnership, it

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is not excluding the people in the room
who do the work. It starts with

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communication. It continues with
transparency.

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And we want a seat at the table. Tell us
the plan. Tell us what the Thomasville

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agreement has been made with city with
GDA. What are the details? What are the

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future for the eight dogs who left
today? Give a timeline the best of

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possible. We're tracking for repairs.
I'm glad again there are repairs

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happening. There are so many that can
happen. The well-being of the dogs. Tell

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the community your actual plans.
Be transparent to everyone. The dogs in

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this community deserve better. The
community deserves transparency and your

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volunteers will only be here so long
without all of that.

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» Thank you.
>> Can I just ask a question of her so she

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can give us a little bit more
information for clarity? Is that okay?

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That I appreciate you. Um Janet, quick
question for you.

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» Can you come can you can
>> you can't hear me? I am loud.

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» Protocol.
>> We want you to come say your name.

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» Le Moore with guardians. I'm coming to
ask a question. the microphone cuz I

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need it. All right.
You said that with these animals that

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are going to Thomasville, right? You
gave a bunch of numbers and I was trying

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to follow, but was it was $3,000 of your
funds on those dogs that are going to

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Thomasville. So, we gave away
>> They're already gone. They're already

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gone.
>> Okay. So, you your your

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» your own us or our rescue partners
directly locally that we work with. Yes.

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And I I want to clarify something. So,
Elizabeth made

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» You don't have a microphone.
>> I know. I'm loud enough. Mary Katherryn

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Kimp, I think y'all can all hear me. Um
Brown, sorry. Mary Catherine Brown. Um

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so,
Elizabeth wanted to make clarification

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on we need to let you guys know what
dogs we're working on. It's every dog in

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your shelter. Always.
>> I was getting there.

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» Every dog.
That's why there's $3,000 floating out

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in somebody else's shelter now
of ours.

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» We can't sit a dog without some basic
information related to that dog

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depending basication rings, etc. So,
every dog is our policy that was passed

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in January is the guy who's gay. So, we
do that.

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» So, to to kind of
>> clarify,

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» can I ask this? What what vet bill what
vet bills has the city paid in the last

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like 15 years? Well, I think we paid
them, but y'all definitely reimbursed

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us. So, that's kind of a trick question.
>> Okay, good clarity.

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» May I ask how much the city funds the
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» and why the repairs take two years?
>> No, we're talking So, I don't want to.

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So, if you we you talking about the
shelter, what about the structure that

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we're in right this moment? We have
repairs that need to be done to this

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building right this moment since the
storm for two years. It's not just the

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shelter. It's buildings. We had an a I
forgot her name on Thursday.

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» But the state won't shut you down if
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» Does anybody live here?
>> Does any

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I I hear what you're saying, but we're
talking about repairs. We're talking

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about funds from the [clears throat]
federal government. All of this stuff

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sometimes.
>> So, but do we have those funds to repair

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the shelter? But we're saying we're
going to repair it regardless of if we

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have the funds or not.
>> We're going to begin work on it. Mary

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Catherine, yes. I mean, she's already
out there. I haven't been out there, but

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I've emailed the necessary persons and
they're responding to me. Get the work

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started.
>> And the plan is to reopen the shelter

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» as soon as possible. And then the the
ones that's in Thomasville, the the I'm

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sorry.
>> You said the tentative date is September

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30th
>> to do what? No, ma'am.

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» No, we didn't give a tenative date.
That's the to have you said.

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» No, no, that's the reason why this is
when they said they were going to settle

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the insurance.
>> That's September 30th.

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» That's the reason I don't want to I said
again, we don't know a date and I don't

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want to give a date based off of my
opinion because my opinion doesn't mean

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anything. So, I can't give you that. But
however, what has been going back and

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forth with Thomasville, they're just a
holding place until the repairs are

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finished and they're supposed to be
moving back to our facility once it

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passes.
>> That's the first time that we've heard

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that for
>> shelter or they are.

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» So, are they going to be made to sit
there? No. Sorry. Are they going to be

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made to sit there? Because if you're
transferring them back here, technically

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they're still city property
hazel.

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So are they going to have to sit there
till you finish repairs?

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» Um I don't know and I don't want to give
you an answer.

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» Were they agency transfer
>> from our agency to theirs?

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I don't know that question, but I think
they may be because license to license.

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But hey, here we go. Officer Brown, our
spokesman. Thank you, Jesus, for being

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in here. Can you can you come forward,
please, if you wouldn't mind? He's our

408
00:30:32,159 --> 00:30:39,039
spokesman for the city.
>> He's the guy.

409
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:41,279
» Ask my question from over there.
>> Caus me trouble.

410
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,240
» I'm sorry.
>> I didn't I didn't see you when you

411
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:49,120
walked in.
>> You're fine. You're fine.

412
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:54,720
» Ask my question.
It's fine. I'll get there. So we are

413
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:56,159
shipping from
>> Hey,

414
00:30:55,279 --> 00:31:00,640
» we're transfer
>> transferring. So what does that mean

415
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:06,320
exactly?
>> We transfer

416
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:08,559
those elements to time management.
>> We're no longer responsible for those

417
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,000
elements
>> until the repairs are finished and then

418
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:14,480
they come back over.
>> That's right now.

419
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,240
» That's what the plan
>> as right now. Yes.

420
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,360
» Okay.
>> How is that written in the contract? So,

421
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,559
you have an agency transfer that is
required by the Department of A that

422
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:25,840
says it's going from my agency license
to this agency license. Therefore, all

423
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,880
liability is then transferred from this
license to that license. How do we write

424
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,679
that contract that says it's for a
specific amount of time that's

425
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:35,440
unidentified and that we're going to
take them back?

426
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,559
» Exactly how you just said.
>> I love that. Do you have a copy of that?

427
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:41,760
» Not on,
>> but it's been done. And so both

428
00:31:39,919 --> 00:31:44,640
Thomasville has that copy that states
that they are just a temporary holding

429
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:49,120
facility and that they are holding on to
care custody and control in the interim,

430
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:53,320
but that return will be done at some
point in the future.

431
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,840
» I feel like you're not.
>> All right. [laughter]

432
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,760
» There's no way you wrote that into a
contract.

433
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,399
» Do we do we have any?
>> But we'd love to have a copy of it.

434
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,320
» Okay.
>> So, I'll tell you this. If you tell them

435
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:11,440
it's a contract, you better produce a
contract. I want you to be clear with

436
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:15,120
this room. I drilled you hard today.
Don't stand there and tell this audience

437
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,240
that there's a contract. There's not
one. I'm going to be the first one you

438
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:22,080
going to deal with.
>> Is there a contract?

439
00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:26,640
» Oh, it's
>> we have an agreement with them to

440
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:30,880
transfer
them over to

441
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,960
» So, statement of understanding then is
that what we have

442
00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:37,120
» written?
>> No, I'm No, no, stay with me for a

443
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:40,880
second. I I hear everybody else, but I'm
just asking that question. Is it a

444
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:44,320
statement of understanding in writing
>> or is it

445
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:49,039
» is it a verbal contract with verbal
agreement with them

446
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,840
» to to everyone that is
>> No, it can't be Hold on for a second,

447
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:58,000
Mr. It can't be completely written
because if the if the animals leave our

448
00:32:54,480 --> 00:33:00,480
facility, they must have paperwork
transferred to

449
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:02,159
» you asking what happened in the whole
process. That's what you're trying to

450
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:05,840
ask me.
>> I want to I want to make it as

451
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:09,200
transparent as this. So when they left
our facility,

452
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,039
» did we we should have did paperwork to
show them going to the

453
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:16,000
» outtake form?
>> That's what I'm there's an outtake forms

454
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:18,480
to transfer them over to Thomas Humane
Society.

455
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:22,000
» This typical thing that we do for any
other transfer or movement of the Thank

456
00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:26,000
you.
>> Yes. And that was their email. That's

457
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,840
what it was stated.
>> Okay.

458
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,640
» Okay. Y'all received the council,
received the email

459
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,840
coming back
>> because that's how we transfer animals

460
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,600
out to other rescues.
>> And the verbiage actually states on

461
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:42,320
those those transfer forms that care,
custody, and control is now in

462
00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:45,039
» transferred overact. And so, yes, they
could out of the kindness of their heart

463
00:33:43,919 --> 00:33:49,200
and I don't know why they wouldn't
because nobody's fighting over dogs

464
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,919
right now. None of us can easily talk to
us because we're not the point of

465
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:56,159
contact. So,
>> yes. So the only point of contact that

466
00:33:53,760 --> 00:34:00,399
we have that should be making contact is
officer Brown and as soon as we have the

467
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,559
rest of those details.
>> So what happens to those two that have

468
00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:09,599
rescued one of our rescues? Like because
he just transferred them to Thomas

469
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:14,960
Humane. So what I mean
>> when you say those two that's including

470
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:17,200
the eight total that you
>> two dogs that were stepped up after the

471
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,040
stop order.
>> I don't understand.

472
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:25,839
» No, but why why not? Why not? Why am I
being told that now I have to go to

473
00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:29,679
Chandler through Brown? I have a phone.
>> No, because he's he's our

474
00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:31,440
» Oh, you guys have a contract with
Thomasville. Is that what you're saying?

475
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,879
» No.
>> So, they're your partner.

476
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:38,879
» Officer Brown.
>> I'm asking

477
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:44,159
» and I'm trying to give it. Officer Brown
is the person that's assigned to ask

478
00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:48,639
questions and do whatever dealing with
the department of a Thomasville or

479
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:52,560
anybody dealing with the shelter. But
Thomas Gill Humane is a 501c3. I can

480
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:57,280
pick up the phone and call them at my
own will in a court. Why are they

481
00:34:54,720 --> 00:35:00,880
refusing to work with somebody that's a
citizen?

482
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:04,560
» They're not refusing. What they want is
our point of contact for the city of

483
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:07,839
Perth, which is officer Brown.
>> But I'm not calling on behalf of the

484
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:10,000
city of H. Hold on. Let me let me stop
that real quick because I want to make

485
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:15,680
some clarification. Hold on. You're
still at that microphone. You got this.

486
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:20,079
So, let me ask Brown. How many animals
have you as the spokesperson, as animal

487
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:26,960
control, as the person over the the
shelter bequested by our our council

488
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:33,280
and the chief? Um, how many animals have
you personallyworked

489
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:36,720
and moved to other rescues?
>> As today,

490
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:40,480
» you personally, not through VAS, Brown
has moved from this rescue license to

491
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:45,680
this rescue license, not including
Thomasville, but any other time. When

492
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:50,480
have you personally moved a dog from
point A to point B? Not ever. Okay. So,

493
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:55,119
when have you personally you as a
spokesperson

494
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:58,160
with any other organization for the
movement of the analyst that maybe just

495
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:02,240
didn't come to fruition? How often does
that happen in your as a spokesperson

496
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,079
for this organization? How often does
that happen

497
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:08,480
» recently?
>> Just give me from the entire time you've

498
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:11,200
been animal control as a spokesperson
here. And I'm about to defend you here

499
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:15,200
in a second. So, don't be too sad. I
promise.

500
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:18,359
» No. You're fine. You're fine. U let me
go back.

501
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:25,839
I can't be exactly wrong. I'm not going
to lie to you. I can't

502
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:29,599
» But the reason for that is because
you're not a live release coordinator,

503
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:33,200
right? You're an animal control officer.
That's what you do. So, your job is

504
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:36,960
legal. We're going to protect the people
of our city. We're going to go get that

505
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:41,200
dog that is being crazy and biting
somebody. We're going to go try to

506
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:44,800
prosecute somebody who is treating a dog
poorly. Right? Your job is law

507
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:49,280
enforcement and your job is kind of the
overall management of the shelter as it

508
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:54,240
stands right now. Right? But live
release coordination in most shelters is

509
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:58,320
its own separate designation. So it is
the people who work those networks, know

510
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:02,720
all the other rescues, have been doing
this for decades, have decades in their

511
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:05,920
pocket that says, "I know this rescue is
really good with three-legged dogs, so

512
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,720
I'm going to call up Jenny on her cell
phone when she's cooking dinner for her

513
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,200
kids and say, "Hey, Jenny, can you take
this dog that I got? This is what we

514
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:16,560
have here. You've got a license. Since
we've got a license, let's move them.

515
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:22,480
And pay, how many animals in the last 6
months has VHOSWorked

516
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:25,760
as a live release coordinator for our
city?

517
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:30,720
» That's our numbers, girl. About 40.
>> Okay. So, we went from 40 to none. And

518
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:34,960
the problem is we now have a conduit
that is in between this ability for your

519
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,520
live release board names. How many over
the last decade? [clears throat] Give me

520
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:40,240
a spitball number. I know that's
ridiculous, but

521
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:46,400
» we're we're in problem with the five
digits. So, if they are the sole people,

522
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:51,200
here's your your sole rescue that is
acting as a live release coordinator,

523
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:55,520
which is a designated position,
>> which is the designated position in most

524
00:37:54,079 --> 00:38:00,000
no kill shelters, which we've been
designated, right? We're on their kill

525
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:05,520
shelter now. So in that situation, we've
now created a barrier which is causing

526
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:09,200
frustration with the girls who put on
put their time, effort, energy, and

527
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:13,040
believe for this city to move these dogs
and have worked for these these networks

528
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,160
and the opportunity to speak to all
these other rescues. It's like you

529
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,480
scratch my back, I'll scratch yours, and
we're all going to get along. We're

530
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:22,079
going to move dogs because everybody has
the same common theme. They're not law

531
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:25,839
enforcement. So their job is not to run
and go get the dog that has bit somebody

532
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:30,720
and quarantine them. They're two totally
separate entities that are required for

533
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:34,480
a nokill shelter to be successful. What
we've done, unfortunately, I think just

534
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:38,720
truly out of ignorance and and a lack of
understanding of how these organizations

535
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:42,000
traditionally work. We've kind of put
all this on Brown who's like squishing

536
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,680
under the pressure because it's not
really fair. like we handed we said to

537
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:49,359
him the decades that these girls have
worked in order to be able to get these

538
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:53,520
networking and and to know all these
other rescues and to put their heart

539
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:56,880
into these dogs. We've now said he's
responsible.

540
00:38:55,119 --> 00:39:00,560
That's not really what animal control
officers do. That's why they have live

541
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,200
release coordinator. So, I just wanted
to make sure that we were all

542
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:08,240
appreciating there's two separate
denotions here. It's not. We can't yell

543
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:11,920
and scream at him and we also can't
block them from doing their job because

544
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:16,160
if these girls decide this is too hard
and I can't effectively do my job and

545
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:20,640
the actions of this one officer trying
to do our job is affecting our ability

546
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:24,960
to keep our promises to these other
rescues. They're going to walk and they

547
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:28,079
should walk and then we are all in a
world of trouble and it will look bad on

548
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,560
him and it will look bad on them and it
will look bad on all of you and the

549
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:35,280
taxpayers will be mad because we'll be
paying money that these other people

550
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,280
would then pay. But that's it. Got it.

551
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,640
Thank y'all.
>> Oh, [laughter] wait, wait, wait. No, no,

552
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:46,079
no. I was just addressing that. Hold on.
I got more I got more questions.

553
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,880
» No, [laughter]
no, no. Serious.

554
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:52,640
» So, let me ask you. We were asking about
the $3,000 because I want everybody to

555
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:57,119
understand, especially anybody who's
reporting this or sending it off to

556
00:39:53,920 --> 00:40:00,960
somebody else, whatever. $3,000. Your
organization, you received the

557
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,720
donations. You've got your rescue
partners. That money went into these

558
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:09,760
animals that were then just transferred
by an animal control officer as a

559
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:14,079
spokesperson to another rescue. So now
when you go back as a good steward of

560
00:40:11,359 --> 00:40:20,560
the funding that you get to your donors,
you're going to say,

561
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:24,720
"Sorry, we used $3,000 of your money um
because our our council put somebody

562
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:30,160
else in this position and we're not
working well right now and I've lost

563
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:34,000
eight dogs that had this funding in it
that we were hoping to get somewhere." I

564
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:38,720
want that to be underscored because
donations are hard to come by and those

565
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:43,920
donations mean our taxpayers like myself
and the rest of you in here aren't

566
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:48,240
having to fund that. This is free money
that they're working for that that one

567
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:52,800
person who doesn't understand because
this is not his world. It's just handed

568
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:56,640
to somebody else as a spokesperson for
all of you who are supposed to be good

569
00:40:54,160 --> 00:41:01,760
stewards of taxpayer money. So there's
not just these people who are angry.

570
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:06,560
It's not just the subsidiary rescues
that are angry. Your taxpayers, if they

571
00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:09,200
understood that their money that goes to
you, that they think they have an animal

572
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:13,119
shelter, they think they have somebody
who's coming to get some stuff done. And

573
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:17,200
it turns out that it's not. It's the
behind the scenes and somebody making

574
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:20,240
decisions from donations that they're
receiving. That's not okay. Just on a

575
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:24,560
business level, forget the dogs. Who
cares? Nobody cares about animals. Think

576
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:29,200
about the money. That is screwing their
ability to get the donations, which by

577
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:33,119
the way keep our city. So, we are not
just hitting crazy animal people with

578
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:39,200
all their emotions. We're hitting their
ability to keep our city going and keep

579
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:43,280
them safe. My next question for you, we
are closed, right? Stop order, nothing

580
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:48,800
can come in. DOA said that we have
certain legal requirements over there,

581
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:53,040
chief and soon to be chief chief almost.
Um,

582
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:55,760
what happens when we have a bike dog?
What's our plan? Good

583
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:59,359
» question.
>> What's our plan? I've told this panel

584
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:03,440
from the getgo, I'm law enforcement. I
know nothing about animal control. I've

585
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,400
been honest with Miss Mary Kay and the
rest of them from the very getgo.

586
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,480
» We're going to call you.
>> So,

587
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:12,480
» listen, I answer. You guys know it.
>> That is a very good question. That

588
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:18,720
bothers me. Is it subject to happen? It
is. How would I handle it? I'll be done.

589
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:21,920
» So, we have a problem because that legal
so both the city and the county which is

590
00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:25,599
I know not in your purview and I'll have
that fight some other day but in the

591
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:30,000
city and the county we both have a
requirement that if a dog bites somebody

592
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,960
we have to be able to quarantine them if
that dog is vicious and we have to

593
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:36,480
quarantine them long enough that we can
make sure that no rabies symptomology

594
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,839
shows up and right now I'm sure you guys
have seen in the news we've had several

595
00:42:37,839 --> 00:42:43,359
rabies cases that have come about. It
used to be I would say we've been a

596
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:46,560
rabies pace since 1972 when it was down
the border. But now we have them close

597
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:51,920
to home which means that this is an
actual health risk that we have to take

598
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:56,960
into consideration. Where are we putting
them if we have no containment?

599
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:00,240
And what's our what's our protocols
going to be for our officers?

600
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,160
» We're going to call you.
>> No.

601
00:43:01,359 --> 00:43:07,200
» No.
>> But so I'm I'm going to take that one.

602
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:12,880
» Seriously. Seriously, y'all. These are
important questions and these are things

603
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:19,040
that when you started off the whole
thing is communication

604
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:25,440
and you all do a beautiful job, a good
job and the city is blessed to have you.

605
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:32,160
I think
the word that I got was late Friday. I

606
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:37,119
think it was uh
7 something.

607
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:42,800
Anyway, when the stock order all of a
sudden come and said nothing and the

608
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:49,200
city was put in a place that they had to
do something right then because they

609
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:54,560
have to go out what the state said. And
I think where the problem come in is

610
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:59,760
communication that we really and truly
should have talked to the men's and

611
00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:06,560
women who talk with the who handle the
dogs who who go out there and people

612
00:44:03,359 --> 00:44:12,560
sometime make mistakes by working too
quick to get things done. So I want to

613
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:17,200
apologize that these things was done. I
can assure you that somebody will be

614
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:23,359
getting in touch with Thomasville. make
sure that those animals are took care of

615
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:30,000
and come back here. Hopefully that uh
the money that was put in them will come

616
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:35,839
back and the work that you all do can
continue

617
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:42,160
once this building is to put in place.
My question to the mayor was now when is

618
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:45,920
this going to be done? Personally, I
thought the building was perfect. I

619
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:52,720
didn't know that
the Lord had decided to blow it over.

620
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:58,720
But now that it's being done, there is a
process and there's

621
00:44:55,599 --> 00:45:03,839
outline saying what they're going to do.
If you all would allow us to start

622
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:08,000
getting those things in place, somebody
will be talking to you to tell what

623
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:12,480
those steps are and what those thoughts
I mean when you can bring them back.

624
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:16,480
Plus,
we'll try to get in touch with

625
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:21,680
Thomasville to make sure that you know
exactly what's going on with it.

626
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:26,796
» I'm going to visit Thomas. They're open
shelter like they're open on Saturday.

627
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:31,680
» Well, let us let us talk with them
[clears throat] so we don't have any

628
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:37,599
confusion and somebody has to have a a
communication line between each other.

629
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:43,760
That's what's going on. Sometimes when
people don't talk, this is where the

630
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:49,400
problems come in. So this was supposed
to be a informal

631
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:58,000
uh meeting tonight and mainly to tell
you all what [clears throat] was going

632
00:45:54,960 --> 00:46:04,079
on or to ask answer question that we
could without confusing

633
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:07,119
the pot any more than what it is.
>> Mr. Dwayne, can I ask you a question?

634
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:11,359
Yes.
>> Before about two or three years ago, how

635
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:15,079
many times had you ever seen me come to
a city council meeting?

636
00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:18,079
» Never.
>> Never.

637
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:21,200
» Never.
>> So, and I've been volunteering out there

638
00:46:19,839 --> 00:46:23,200
for 14 years now.
>> Yeah.

639
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:27,599
» So, there was a good working
relationship at some point. There was

640
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:31,200
because I never had to call on any of
you guys.

641
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:36,640
» But at some point down the line, I don't
know what happened.

642
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:38,800
» When was that? But but three years ago,
>> but that

643
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:43,119
» but I I don't know what happened, but
what I'm telling you is that there has

644
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:45,359
been a lack of communication and we do
feel like we're being shut out,

645
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,880
» right? But
>> and

646
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:55,040
» but these this type of thing right here,
guys, these bumps in the road sometimes

647
00:46:51,440 --> 00:47:00,400
can actually help us more than hurt us
because talking now

648
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:08,240
and and like she say, I've been given
reports and what's going on now. We need

649
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:13,200
to know what's happening. This this can
take place. That's what he says starting

650
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:16,880
off. Before these things are done, we
have to do it. Yes sir.

651
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:23,680
» I can answer
I can answer

652
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:27,599
» when the police department was issued
the animal control pound.

653
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:31,280
» Mhm.
>> It should have never been placed under

654
00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:33,359
the police department.
>> That's not when it happened.

655
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,319
» What?
>> That's not when it happened.

656
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,920
» That's exactly when it happened.
>> It wasn't. I'll tell you when it

657
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:41,839
happened.
>> Our um ordinances are from 2012. That's

658
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:46,960
correct.
>> It's been that long. It's been so the

659
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:55,280
old council before I even came to this
state, the old council agreed to have

660
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:59,359
the uh the shel animal shelter fall
underneath the category for the police

661
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,920
department.
>> That's what happened.

662
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:04,480
» But it was put on me just last year.
>> It was put on not last year, the year

663
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:08,560
before. But it was
>> clarification. This problem started

664
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:12,319
before I had correct and cleaned that
place up.

665
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:18,680
» That is correct. This problem started in
January or February of 2024.

666
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:27,280
That's when this issue happened. January
or February of 2024. You didn't get

667
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,400
» wasn't under there.
>> It was still on the police department

668
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:33,280
» in 2014.
>> It's been on the police department since

669
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:37,839
2012.
>> So what was the catalyst? You're going

670
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:42,000
to identify a catalyst. What was that?
>> Changing the leadership control.

671
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:45,839
It doesn't matter what the chief. So, so
I just I want I want y'all to understand

672
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:51,359
it does not matter if the old chief
wasn't signed or not. The old council in

673
00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:55,440
2012
are the ones who assigned it to the

674
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,240
police department.
>> I agree. They did it on paper. They

675
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:02,800
never took action.
>> Then guess what? Then we messed up. We

676
00:49:01,359 --> 00:49:07,200
shouldn't do anything on paper that
we're not we're not willing to follow

677
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:10,079
through because that's that's focus.
>> You are correct. Y'all council did it

678
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:14,079
and they never followed through with
anything they said it was going to do.

679
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:20,800
They put stuff on paper and that's the
>> No, 2012 was It was on paper in 2012

680
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:23,200
for 8 years and it they never
>> That's cuz you never That's cuz you

681
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:27,280
never read the charter.
>> Yes, ma'am.

682
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:30,480
» Yes, ma'am. Wait, y'all. Wait, y'all.
>> Don't accuse me not reading.

683
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:34,640
» I'm telling you. It's been in the
charter since 2012.

684
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,480
» Wait a minute. Okay. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.
>> Go ahead, ma'am.

685
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:39,200
» Yes, ma'am.
Department of Agriculture coming back,

686
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:42,960
pardon me.
>> When is the Department of Agriculture

687
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:46,480
coming back to make sure that these
>> we don't know yet.

688
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:51,680
» Okay. Um Department of Agriculture
assess fines and penalties.

689
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:55,359
» Are y'all fine? I mean, if they found
you deficiencies,

690
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:58,800
» no ma'am, we didn't get anything.
>> No, ma'am. If you don't address this,

691
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,440
you could be.
>> Yeah.

692
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:06,240
» That's that's what they that's what was
going on here. But listen y'all.

693
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:10,079
» Well, I do I do have one more question
leading to what we were just talking

694
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:14,720
about. So, we have had some rocky rocky
situations lately.

695
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:19,599
» The other people that are pulling from
you guys. Now, we just got hit right in

696
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:22,480
this meeting with a list of demands that
you guys want us to do from here on out.

697
00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:25,200
That's fine.
>> I wouldn't say demands.

698
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:27,920
» That's fine. It were they were demands
in in my

699
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:31,359
» required after I've been working with
you guys for 14 years. They kind of look

700
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:37,359
like demands. So, did we also require
that of Thomasville today?

701
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:41,440
» Or is this just new because we don't
want because to your partners right

702
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:44,640
here, it looks like you don't want us
involved. That's what it looks like.

703
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:50,000
That's what I'm trying to convey to you
guys.

704
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:56,240
» No, you you want the partners involved.
I again, I think the whole thing, y'all,

705
00:50:53,280 --> 00:51:00,240
is the communication. People not talking
to each other, not telling me what's

706
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:07,599
going on.
As I constantly tell sometime my working

707
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:12,000
partners, we have too many chiefs and
not enough Indian. I agree.

708
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:18,240
» And everybody want to know what's going
on. But when we let people know who's

709
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:24,400
actually in the trenches doing the work,
what's going on and and let you know

710
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:30,480
what's taking place, you won't have
these situations. So I ask you I asked

711
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:34,000
you let's work together and there we
we'll we can get to it.

712
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:38,800
» So did you know about the meeting on
Friday with department?

713
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:44,000
» I didn't know about no meeting. The only
thing I know about was when I was

714
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:47,839
contacted that the animal shelter was
closed. I said again is what I said

715
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,920
» right
>> and I said well now wait what's going on

716
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:56,400
at where the stone got. I said, "Well,
whoa, wait a minute now. They just put

717
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:59,200
some air after dishes and all that out
there. Then you mean the place is tore

718
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:05,280
up again, right?"
>> Yes. And this time they demanded that

719
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:12,640
something be done immediately. This is
why you all should have been contacting

720
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:18,400
them. Who should have been the the the
gobetween with you? I don't know. That

721
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:23,280
has to be done. And that's why I say
these meetings, I'm a firm believer.

722
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:28,400
» Do we know who was in the meeting?
>> Can I interject here? My name has been

723
00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:31,280
thrown around a few times even though I
am there, but I'm not there. You know

724
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:35,760
what I mean? So, I need to clarify first
of all that I sent those demands or

725
00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:41,520
directions, if you will, in a me in an
email to the VHOS email as well as

726
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:47,040
council um before lunchtime today, which
gave you over 24 hours because it said

727
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:52,000
Wednesday by 5:00 p.m. First of all,
second of all, I would just ask, you

728
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:56,559
know, look around in the room and even
on the phone, who's phoning into this

729
00:52:54,079 --> 00:53:01,359
meeting, who's at that meeting tonight,
and you will see who is trying our best,

730
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:04,400
our absolute best. Because if y'all
don't know, just the time and energy and

731
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:08,960
effort that you spend with this shelter,
I devote to the city only coming on in

732
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:14,240
January. I will tell you, I lose money
weekly with my employed job because I'm

733
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:18,240
self-employed, and time is money when
you're self-employed. And this shelter

734
00:53:16,319 --> 00:53:22,000
this week has taken up a lot of time,
which I'm glad to do. That's the job

735
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:26,000
that I signed up to do. But I would like
a little bit of the respect that we're

736
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:30,079
trying to give y'all in return to us. I
am currently at home with my kids

737
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:34,880
phoning in and trying my best to listen
and hear all of your concerns and answer

738
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:39,200
and give appropriate solutions best that
I can. And that is all that I'm asking

739
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:44,880
for y'all to do. Give us the same
respect back. a look around in the room

740
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:50,559
and see who is willing to partner with
you all and try our best to move forward

741
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:54,800
with this. I gave those directions
trying to propose a solution which you

742
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:59,839
can ask any council member and any city
employee that I work with. That is my

743
00:53:57,119 --> 00:54:03,839
number one goal to give appropriate
feasible solutions for everyone involved

744
00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:07,520
no matter what department and what issue
is at hand. I gather all the information

745
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:11,520
that I can and then try to give
solutions. That is all that I tried to

746
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:15,920
do. That is all that I'm asking for
moving forward. And to your point

747
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:18,800
earlier about, you know, every dog in
there is trying to be rescued. I

748
00:54:17,359 --> 00:54:23,200
understand that. I'm sorry if it didn't
come across that way. I understand that.

749
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:26,800
What I meant was if they if it is
actively in motion, and I think I said

750
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:31,680
those two words, but if it's actively in
motion, meaning you have confirmed

751
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:36,240
someone who is very interested in a dog
to be rescued, like let us know that.

752
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:39,760
and you and even like an estimated
timeline because I understand things can

753
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:43,440
fall through the cracks. You know, they
might not fulfill that hole with another

754
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:48,079
dog from another area. I understand
those things can happen. But if as long

755
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:52,640
as we're in the know about some sort of
communication written and electronic,

756
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:55,839
that's all that I was asking for. And
no, I don't want to put more on your

757
00:54:54,079 --> 00:55:00,480
plate. And I'm sorry if it feels that
way. I'm just trying to protect everyone

758
00:54:58,319 --> 00:55:03,839
who is adequately and appropriately
trying to partner together moving

759
00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:09,200
forward because no, I don't want to see
two decades of work and volunteer and

760
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:13,920
service thrown down the drain because I
know that the city in our capacity

761
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:18,160
cannot take it on without you guys. I'm
fully aware and I appreciate everything

762
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:21,760
that you do. Well, and we appreciate
everything that you do and you've been

763
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:26,880
very responsive to me when I reach out
to you and I'm that was not uh directed

764
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:30,160
towards you. But I I do want to say that
there's some gray area there too,

765
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:35,520
Elizabeth. Sometimes we put money and
bedding into dogs based off behavior.

766
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:41,440
You know, you might have a male dog at
the shelter that needs to be neutered um

767
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:47,359
just for behavior reasons. So, it might
not always be that we put money in this

768
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:50,880
dog because they've got a rescue party
that's super interested and ready to

769
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:56,559
take them next week. Sometimes it's
because we want your people that are out

770
00:55:52,559 --> 00:56:00,240
there working every day to have a decent
I don't know interaction with the dogs

771
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:04,000
because sometimes when you got females
in heat, you got males out there going

772
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:07,440
crazy, they're getting out, they're
tearing up kennels, they're I mean

773
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:12,640
they're acting crazy. So, it's not
always just based off rescue interest.

774
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:16,000
whenever we put money into these dogs,
but how much money does the city

775
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,720
actually put into the medical at all?
Just as just in general,

776
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,760
» I don't have those figures for you,
ma'am.

777
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:24,079
» Is it possibly zero? May I ask?
>> Well, I will tell you it's not zero.

778
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,640
» Okay.
>> It's not zero.

779
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:29,599
» Is it close to zero?
>> Um

780
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:34,720
I don't I can't give you those figures.
And the reason why cuz a few months ago

781
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:38,720
there was bills that came in and some
covered and but that's why I'm saying I

782
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:43,599
don't know the exact figures. the person
that knows. I'm not going to say it

783
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:48,400
because she does accounting. She does
she does pay accounts payable. That's

784
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:55,200
why I say we need some of the names.
>> The $3,000 I've spent.

785
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:59,440
» It can't be. And it was $16,000.
>> And I knew I had one more ask of

786
00:56:57,839 --> 00:57:03,920
Elizabeth. Elizabeth and I talked. She
was not aware of the stock on Thursday

787
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:08,000
and she did not know what was going on
Friday morning. So I know she wasn't

788
00:57:05,359 --> 00:57:12,799
involved in the meeting. Mr. Jones, were
you involved in the meeting?

789
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:14,960
» Let if I know the city clerk. Okay.
Okay.

790
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:17,200
» And Miss Bernice, I mean, what about
you?

791
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:20,799
» There was no meeting.
>> Okay. So, I don't know who put it out

792
00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:28,079
there that there was a meeting.
>> Okay.

793
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:34,079
» I came in a little after 7 and at 77
on Friday morning, I had an email from

794
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,920
Officer Ram with the stop order
attached.

795
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:40,480
» Okay.
>> So, Why was nothing on Thursday evening

796
00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:43,760
at city council?
>> I didn't know anything about came in on

797
00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:47,680
Thursday. So
>> I I don't know. I can't answer that. I

798
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:53,839
truly cannot.
>> But the only way I knew about this was

799
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:59,599
an email Friday morning and officer
Brown said, "I do not remember the

800
00:57:55,599 --> 00:58:04,319
mayor's email. Can you
>> meaning?" So So when we say meeting, we

801
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:08,480
need to make sure that this wasn't a
qual. You talking about just people

802
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:11,040
sitting down having conversations?
>> What was the meeting?

803
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:15,359
» No, that's what that's what I'm saying
cuz I wasn't at the meeting. Mr. Johnson

804
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:19,200
wasn't at the meeting. Elizabeth wasn't
at the meeting. And that's three people

805
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:22,319
right there to in order to make the
point. So just

806
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:25,480
» Elizabeth over the shelter.
>> Is that

807
00:58:25,839 --> 00:58:33,280
» technically she would be
>> That's strange. Okay. But there was well

808
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:39,280
when I when you say a meeting I put the
agenda out there and let everybody know

809
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:43,640
but there was not this type of meeting
the department of agriculture come

810
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:49,280
» had to come see
>> that was the brown though which is which

811
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:52,160
is appropriate because he's the animal
control officer but I guess what I

812
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:57,359
really want the council to hear and
hopefully stick in your pocket for the

813
00:58:54,000 --> 00:59:02,799
next time the only rescue that is
working the I've released side of this

814
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:08,640
is veh. If I as guardians wanted to pull
a dog, I call Janet or I text M. If they

815
00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:14,000
need help with a dog, they're going to
text me. All of those things don't go

816
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:18,079
through Brown. So, the fact that we
put Brown in this position and said all

817
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:21,839
of this weight goes on you and now you
figure it out. That poor man's doing the

818
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:25,839
best that he can, but we sidestep the
actual people who do it entirely and

819
00:59:24,319 --> 00:59:29,599
none of this would have been an issue.
If they ran into a stressful situation

820
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:34,000
and couldn't do it, it doesn't come down
to Thomasville. It comes down to hey

821
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:36,319
heart, hey Boore, hey guys, we got to do
something. We got to get this taken care

822
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:40,400
of because that is how we have done it
for a decade. Well, then longer, but you

823
00:59:38,799 --> 00:59:44,400
know, the rest of them come in the day.
So, in this situation, I'm hoping that

824
00:59:42,319 --> 00:59:48,480
you will take away that this is not what
an animal control officer does. And we

825
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:51,920
have put this man in a a position of
spokesperson without having any

826
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:55,920
knowledge about what he's supposed to
do. The department of a does not care

827
00:59:53,920 --> 01:00:00,880
about rep say that because someone quote
me. The department of a

828
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:04,319
has a bunch of stuff on their plate.
Rescues and the movement of animals and

829
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:09,280
whether or not the live release occurs
isn't really top of their priority.

830
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:14,319
Right? For our citizens it is. For our
rescues it is. And their understanding

831
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:17,119
of our inner structure is not
necessarily what they're going to be

832
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:21,040
making their decisions on. So when Brown
says, "Hey, I'm going to move those dogs

833
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:24,319
to where our our evacuation point is,
they're going to say, "Check the box.

834
01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:27,599
Love it. That works. It's all legal,
right?" But then the people who have

835
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:31,680
been working under the table without the
acknowledgement that they should have

836
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:35,280
forward funding all of this, they end up
getting stuck holding the back and they

837
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:39,839
won't do it again. I have heard these
ladies complain about things 10 years

838
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:44,720
and what I got was not a complaint. What
I got was, I can't do it anymore. We're

839
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:50,960
going to lose them because we are not
acknowledging them as the most intricral

840
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:56,400
part of our successful system. Not
Brown, not the council, not the

841
01:00:53,200 --> 01:01:00,240
taxpayers, the most intricral part of
our system. They are why animals

842
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:04,240
survive. They are how animals get out.
That is how we network. It has nothing

843
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:07,440
to do with Brown. It has nothing to do
with the partner bag. It has nothing to

844
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:10,720
do with council.
>> It is them. Okay,

845
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,880
» but let me go back really quick about
what do we do with the doggies? Find

846
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,040
somebody.
>> We'll talk about because we need your

847
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:21,119
help.
>> Wait now. Uh, we got one more and then

848
01:01:18,799 --> 01:01:28,400
one more and then we got to go. Y'all
listen. Everybody saying the same thing,

849
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:33,200
the communication. If it wasn't done
right this time by George, we have to

850
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:37,799
get it right and we have to talk to you.
Only one chance to get it right.

851
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:42,480
» No. No. Wait. Wait.
>> Are you trying to limit the amount of

852
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:48,319
concern in the room?
>> No. No. No. No. Home eat dinner because

853
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:53,680
» I am ready to go home and eat dinner.
But no.

854
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:58,160
Wait a minute. Wait. One second. Get a
little bit of order.

855
01:01:54,480 --> 01:02:02,720
» Hold it. Hold it. Listen.
>> This is what I've been saying. Hold for

856
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:08,160
one second now. Just communication. And
I'm not saying

857
01:02:04,799 --> 01:02:15,680
everybody's been saying the same thing.
When this when this stop order came

858
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:21,440
down, the city worked on it or whoever
worked on it and was passed down to the

859
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:27,200
elected people and whoever made it the
city and I don't know who, but they did

860
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:32,319
it and it should have been communicated
with them, the people that's working out

861
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:38,640
there. It wasn't done. That's why I say
I apologize on behalf of whoever and let

862
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:42,240
us make sure it don't happen again.
>> But it sounds like it didn't happen.

863
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:46,400
Somebody's covering up because there's
no communication. There's nobody up here

864
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:51,119
that's willing to say they had a meeting
and Georgia Department of Agriculture

865
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:54,559
even step in. The facility has been in
disrepair way longer than before the

866
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:59,040
storm.
>> They have hosted several outreach days

867
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:03,520
where I personally have went out there.
I got this. I have went out there

868
01:03:01,359 --> 01:03:07,040
personally and walked animals with them
and I've seen the love they pour into

869
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:11,359
that facility and although they didn't
have a very nice facility, they have

870
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:14,799
made the most of it for several years
and I just don't believe it's fair for

871
01:03:12,799 --> 01:03:18,960
them to have to sit here and fight for
the right to do a volunteer job. None of

872
01:03:17,359 --> 01:03:24,599
these women are getting paid. They're
taking money out of their own pockets to

873
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:24,599
fund animals

874
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:34,000
» and and they're doing a good job. And
this is why I'm saying somebody cuz the

875
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:38,160
people that has been dealing with it
should know a channel

876
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:40,160
» take over and deal with it instead of
sliding it to somebody else.

877
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:46,319
» Absolutely.
>> How much does the city fund the shelter?

878
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:52,160
Why is it disrepair to begin with?
>> We fund the schools. We fund taxpayer

879
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:55,520
money. I'm a taxpayer. I back up. I'm a
voter and I don't get rid of some of

880
01:03:53,920 --> 01:04:01,119
these people up here who are not willing
to success.

881
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:05,039
because y'all are not doing your jobs.
>> Well, I wouldn't say that we're not

882
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:09,680
doing our jobs.
>> Two years to appear. If you have a

883
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:13,599
squeaky door at the house,
>> but did you know that the repairs needed

884
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:15,680
to happen? Did you guys actually know?
>> Yes.

885
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:19,920
» So, you knew for two years and they that
we were stuck in a bad spot.

886
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:25,280
» We knew the repairs needed to be done.
We kept talking about the repairs. When

887
01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:30,400
it came down to funding, we could not do
the repairs because we did not have the

888
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:34,319
funding to do it.
>> The budget for the following year.

889
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:39,119
» I want to clarify that budget.
>> We even offered to donate which I I

890
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:44,079
spoke with Miss Bernice about that. Miss
Bernice said it's insurance. Don't don't

891
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:49,599
touch it. cuz that was that was one of
the procedures that we had because we

892
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:54,880
could not do any repairs on anything
>> that was covered

893
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:59,200
» to your limitation on the insurance.
>> We were instructed not to fix any

894
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:04,880
building that was covered by the
insurance factors.

895
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:09,880
» How that go?
>> Say again. Now that goal today,

896
01:05:11,839 --> 01:05:18,240
» we're shut down. So now it's a priority
because we

897
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:20,720
» became a priority because the Georgia
Department of Agriculture bringing down

898
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:24,240
your neck.
>> That's why I have a close working

899
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:27,920
relationship with the Georgia Department
of Agriculture and they only step in

900
01:05:25,839 --> 01:05:31,520
when things get in a terrible situation.
Clearly they've been warning you and now

901
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:35,200
there's an issue at that hand that
literally closed for animals to be

902
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:38,000
transported elsewhere and there's no
documentation. There's definitely

903
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:41,520
nobody's answer
>> for which what are you asking ma'am?

904
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:46,880
» The department they had to have meet
with somebody. I mean somebody had to be

905
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:50,480
there as a chain of command
>> give y'all the information that the

906
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:53,280
place was being closed down and why that
was Brown though. Correct. Brown was

907
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:56,319
there. He's the animal control officer
which is reasonable and that makes

908
01:05:54,480 --> 01:06:00,000
sense. the dissemination of information
after that is where we have a problem.

909
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:04,960
» And I got it Friday morning. Anybody
knows me, I am straight up. I'm black

910
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:08,880
and white. And I'm sick of this mess.
>> I have met with them. They dumped it on

911
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:13,520
me. I told the mayor that I have no
knowledge of animal control or

912
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:18,160
operations, but he insisted I run it. I
use this terminology. He throw me down a

913
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:21,359
black hole without a flashlight. Did I
not tell y'all that?

914
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:24,799
» The problem didn't start with the police
department. Let me crank something. It

915
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:27,920
was put on there by a previous council.
>> That's correct.

916
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:31,760
» Nobody proofed anything. I'm always
finding stuff that needs to be revised.

917
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:37,839
I'm steady bringing attention. Nothing
being done. I am a police chief who

918
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:40,720
gives a data about everybody. And I will
do the same for you I do for everybody

919
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:45,839
else. But when you can't get nothing
done, I'm leaving here because of this

920
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:50,000
because I have fought and thought and
false. It didn't start with us. It

921
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:54,640
started WITH THE MAYOR. NOBODY WILL SAY
IT.

922
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:59,119
I will. Y'all can run me off tomorrow,
but that's where it started at.

923
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:04,160
» I will say previously I met with the
mayor that was not this mayor.

924
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:07,599
» So, I had never met with the police
chief until this administration come

925
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:11,200
over.
>> Well, I'm saying

926
01:07:08,799 --> 01:07:14,559
» she is correct. And I'm sorry, y'all.
>> You're good.

927
01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:18,160
» Yes, ma'am.
>> I've met with this lady here several

928
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:23,200
times, but I think she knows it. I've
tried. I've worked with her. I want to

929
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:26,960
tell you something. I won't do. I ain't
never fact down from nobody about

930
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:32,160
nothing. If I tell you I'm going to do
it, you call me out on.

931
01:07:30,319 --> 01:07:35,760
We got a problem here. I didn't know
anything about till Friday. As far as a

932
01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:38,960
meeting, I don't know of a meeting. I
was not in a meeting. I don't know of

933
01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:42,079
anybody here having a meeting. I
honestly don't. I'm not offending

934
01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:45,119
anybody. Okay? I just want some
clarification here because we're just

935
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:49,200
talking around the room. I don't know of
a meeting. As soon as I was aware of it,

936
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:53,920
I went straight to Bernice's office. So,
a few minutes after 8, she said, "Honey,

937
01:07:51,359 --> 01:08:00,160
I just got a paper, too. What we gonna
do?" And I went back there and told the

938
01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:01,920
mayor, "I'm in."
>> Yes, ma'am.

939
01:08:00,799 --> 01:08:06,000
» Yes, ma'am.
>> There it is. Um, I said I wouldn't say

940
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,960
anything. Sorry.
>> We miss you.

941
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:10,720
» We have to.
>> We miss you.

942
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:15,280
» I walked away. I walked away when Rene
last year.

943
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:21,040
» Um, I'm a retired educator. I spent 20
Karen Bowen. I am the um CEO of another

944
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:26,799
rescue in Hingley County, a part of
Adley. We have a shelter license for

945
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:31,679
$40. I currently house 37 dogs. I'm 65
years old, retired. Um

946
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:38,080
work
8 to 10 hours a day with 37 dogs. Over

947
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:43,199
50% of them are pets and black dogs that
nobody wants. Don't ask me why, but that

948
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:49,520
came over 50% are from Jeff Davis County
and the Z worst that we were called when

949
01:08:47,440 --> 01:08:54,319
animal control could not or would not
step in. I had

950
01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:59,920
after I retired in 2011 from the school
system, I went to the then mayor um and

951
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:03,359
said I had I started volunteering,
excuse me, 2011, I started volunteering.

952
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:08,799
I guess that's where I really I mean I
knew Mary could impact in some of these

953
01:09:05,839 --> 01:09:14,640
but we started working together then as
a volunteer I saw some egregious things

954
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:17,199
at that shelter awful dogs not being fed
I will say it I have said this to the

955
01:09:16,799 --> 01:09:23,279
mayor
>> days on end dogs not being fed um anyway

956
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:28,640
so I went to then mayor and I said
listen I'm retired hire me I won't cost

957
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:33,759
you anything but just $12 an hour when I
work and I can keep that shelter clean I

958
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:37,759
can keep those dogs exercised and fed
and tend to their medical needs. At that

959
01:09:35,679 --> 01:09:42,960
time, I was not aware of how much um
will be us was there, but we were I was

960
01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:48,080
just getting education about what all
they did. But anyway, as an employee um

961
01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:51,679
we have a very good relationship. The
former mayor really not care what

962
01:09:49,679 --> 01:09:55,520
happened in that shelter as long as
things were going smooth. And there and

963
01:09:53,759 --> 01:10:00,560
guess what y'all? Everybody say that
there were no hiccups.

964
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:07,360
the problems happened, the issues, the
the uh lack of communication has got has

965
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:10,880
has occurred in the past two years and
everybody's dancing around about it.

966
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:15,360
Don't want to blame the council member
because I know the conversations I've

967
01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:19,120
had with some of the individual council
council members and I know we have a

968
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:23,440
newer now who I've not met, but I know
they were more than willing to look into

969
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:28,159
things and try to do the right thing.
They were the problem is they weren't.

970
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:33,760
They didn't know there had been too many
things going on by closed doors starting

971
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:37,920
at the top decisions made without
informing the public without informing

972
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:42,159
the even the people that are in that
should be in charge that should make

973
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:45,920
decision and I said I wouldn't open my
mouth but you danced around it and it's

974
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:51,440
right there for you. you have broken the
trust of the people that have done and

975
01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:56,800
done and done for the dogs and for the
community. And until somebody steps in

976
01:10:54,640 --> 01:11:02,400
and says this cannot continue to happen,
you as an individual do not get to make

977
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:05,440
decisions about that shelter. Uh that's
where all the problems started and it

978
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:08,480
started
when the American.

979
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:12,800
» Yes, ma'am.
>> Yes.

980
01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:18,679
I'm sorry. That's
all I want to say.

981
01:11:14,719 --> 01:11:18,679
Well, again,

982
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:30,000
please don't leave sh.
Please work with the city. Help us to

983
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:36,320
start communicating like we should and
let's get it done. It can be done. um

984
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:41,199
the things that it brought to their
attention as you said when you come and

985
01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:45,679
give those reports those reports should
mean something and they should uh if

986
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:49,840
it's something that you need out there
something that's going on it should be

987
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:54,480
brought for us or brought to us when we
have council meetings so it can be

988
01:11:51,840 --> 01:12:00,960
addressed again I think these kind of
meetings are good I think that when we

989
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:07,199
hear each other's side and we able to
talk and and and get these things out in

990
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:10,560
the open, it works. That's all I can
say.

991
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:14,320
» I'm sorry. I totally you. Excellent. And
and if if we can get some procedures

992
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:19,040
into place so that the same thing
doesn't keep happening that I struggled

993
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:23,760
with for ever since, you know, as I
said, uh but the one thing we haven't

994
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:28,320
had answered, those eight dogs, is it I
still don't hear an answer that we're

995
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,840
going to be able to get those eight dogs
back.

996
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,719
» Yeah. Reasonably, you know.
>> Hey, hey, I have an answer. I have an

997
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:36,640
answer. You guys know that at this point
it's an agency transfer. The agency

998
01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:39,440
transfer means we're now at the whim of
Thomas.

999
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:42,880
» We're going to make contact and um
>> I've already talked to Thomas. I called

1000
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:47,040
him on the other line because I'm
calling in. So I called him on another

1001
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:51,760
line and he is willing to have
documentation and do what if like if we

1002
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:56,080
can he first of all he is willing for it
to be a temporary thing and in you know

1003
01:12:54,320 --> 01:13:00,719
two weeks if construction is done and we
can house them again they can return.

1004
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:04,560
Also, if in those two weeks y'all can
rescue them out, like he's perfectly

1005
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:08,080
fine with that. However, if if y'all
want to say, "Hey, work with us to get

1006
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:11,040
these fostered out." Like, if he has
connections, he's willing to do that,

1007
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:15,040
too. He literally said he will work with
us in any capacity that we need. He

1008
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:20,120
literally wants to partner with us and
do whatever is best for the dogs and for

1009
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:20,120
us.

1010
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:25,760
» Thank you, Elizabeth. You're awesome.
>> We're missing the point, though, I

1011
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:28,640
think. And that the issue is that you
already have that support that's here

1012
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:31,679
that could have dealt with those dogs
had they been given the opportunity. I

1013
01:13:30,159 --> 01:13:35,120
know the number around but
>> it's important because now their money

1014
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:38,640
is in it and those dogs are there and
Thomasville may be fantastic. By the

1015
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:41,679
way, they lost their own contract with
their county to do municipal sheltering

1016
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:45,840
because they weren't doing what they
should have done. But I digress on that.

1017
01:13:43,679 --> 01:13:49,040
At the other side of it, that's another
county. All of us are struggling. Nobody

1018
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:52,320
has good resources. We're all trying to
get dogs.

1019
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:57,440
to have them have those dogs. It's not
even fair to them in their defense to

1020
01:13:54,719 --> 01:14:00,880
feed, farmer, manage, deal with those
dogs. And to the dogs, it's not fair to

1021
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:05,280
sit over there for two weeks not
beingworked either. So, if that's truly

1022
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:08,480
the case, you need your live release
coordinators who know the dogs, who

1023
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:12,960
understand what their needs are, who are
our network connections to everybody

1024
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:16,960
else to talk to Thomasville. That line
of communication is what needs to open

1025
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:20,159
up. Not Brown who does not know what
he's doing in that aspect, who doesn't

1026
01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:25,600
have any business being in the light
release side of rescue. Let them who've

1027
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:28,239
done it this entire time, open up that
communication with Thomasville because

1028
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:32,080
right now what it looks like is it's
Thomasville versus Beos with Brown in

1029
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:35,360
the middle. And that's not going to be
good for anybody including the dogs or

1030
01:14:33,679 --> 01:14:39,120
either rescue or the other rescues on
the outside. So figure out how to open

1031
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:42,560
up that communication. Let the girls who
know what they're doing work with the

1032
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:46,800
other gentlemen figure out what they
want to do with the dogs that they have

1033
01:14:44,159 --> 01:14:50,440
money in
if we're opening communication.

1034
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:57,600
» That would be my thing. My question is
those eight dogs right now, how do we

1035
01:14:55,600 --> 01:15:01,199
communicate to pull those dogs if we
have a rescue within the two weeks?

1036
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:06,320
» So those are some details that we're
going to work. Basically, this meeting

1037
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:11,440
here, this meeting here was just to
inform everyone that there was a mistake

1038
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:16,320
made.
We're going to own it. I will take it

1039
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:21,280
all myself. In the future, if this
happens, similar to we have to evacuate

1040
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:24,960
or do whatever we have to do at the
shelter for whatever reason, the very

1041
01:15:23,199 --> 01:15:29,199
first persons that we're going to be
calling is our partners.

1042
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:32,560
» Are you changing the evacuation plan
then? Stop. I don't think

1043
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:39,840
» No, no, that's not No. The evacuation
plan specifically says what I'm saying.

1044
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:44,320
» Now, we're going to have priority.
>> Well, the reason I'm asking is because

1045
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:48,320
we never saw what the evacuation plan is
made.

1046
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:52,560
» Um, but I know that I know what we did
for evacuation prior to that. I mean, I

1047
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:56,239
know we were out there literally the day
of Colleen because

1048
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:59,199
» No, and I'm not taking out. I'm not
taking anything from

1049
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:04,239
» I'm just saying we were never made that
was never made transparent and that's

1050
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:12,159
been recent. VHOS
is priority on moving any dogs that we

1051
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:15,199
have in the city of Hazer shelter and if
they cannot handle for whatever reason

1052
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:18,560
meaning you're going to work your
networks and whatever else the

1053
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:22,800
surrounding area and let's just say they
can't do anything with your connections

1054
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:28,400
then you get back with the city and say
hey we can't do it we have a partner in

1055
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:31,679
Thomasville we're going to see what they
can take and that's what's going to

1056
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:34,800
happen from now on That is the
procedure.

1057
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:37,199
» We're going to have that in writing
somewhere.

1058
01:16:35,679 --> 01:16:40,239
» Oh, yeah. It's going to Oh, yeah. It's
going to be in writing and it will be a

1059
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:44,880
policy.
>> When will it be voted on?

1060
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:49,520
» When will it be voted on?
>> The evacuation plan has already been put

1061
01:16:47,440 --> 01:16:53,120
together. It's just the verbs needs to
be cleaned up.

1062
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:55,600
» So, when will it be voted?
>> If

1063
01:16:54,880 --> 01:17:00,560
we can,
>> we have we have one in place. It's just

1064
01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:04,480
which is a plan of action that we have.
It just the verbage needs to be cleaned

1065
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:09,120
up and vetted by our attorneys and then
it will be published.

1066
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:12,159
» Will this be excuse me for interrupting
because I have to remind you all of

1067
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:15,760
certain things.
>> Will [clears throat] it be an ordinance?

1068
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:21,679
» Mhm.
>> Because if it's an ordinance,

1069
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:24,640
» we have to have two readings and
>> um a referendum. That's what we're going

1070
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:29,840
to do.
>> Refer referendum goes for a vote.

1071
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:34,400
Resolution
can be voted on in a regular council

1072
01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:40,719
meeting. If it's an ordinance, you have
to have two readings. One one month, one

1073
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:46,640
the next month. In a regular council
meeting, not in a special call meeting,

1074
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:49,120
not in a work session. side.
>> But you're doing this for the

1075
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:53,360
requirement of the department of a
correct because the department of bag

1076
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:56,320
what we're talking about now
>> the evacuation plan it has to be noted

1077
01:17:55,360 --> 01:18:02,560
for the department of bag.
>> That is correct. However, we're adding

1078
01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:08,960
in specific verbiage so this doesn't
happen again.

1079
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:12,000
» And you think that requires both?
>> We're going to talk to our we going to

1080
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:15,920
talk to our attorneys to make sure that
we do what we're supposed to do.

1081
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:19,840
» Yeah. We should have that to begin with.
It would have not been under what we're

1082
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:25,280
supposed to.
>> Miss May, if I may say, I and I had this

1083
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:29,920
to happen today.
I've only been the city clerk 10 years.

1084
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:36,159
So, someone was here in my spot for 50
years.

1085
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:42,640
I literally had to go back to 97 to look
for procedures

1086
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:49,040
that were voted on and approved in n
actually it was the gentleman was hired

1087
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:56,480
in 97 that were voted on in 2000 that I
had to send for an open records request

1088
01:18:52,880 --> 01:19:03,040
and it was only in the minutes of the
city of Hurst.

1089
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:10,880
So, those are the struggles that I as
city clerk have to deal with in looking

1090
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:15,520
for things. And I don't know, and Mary
Katherine may be able to help with this

1091
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:20,640
since she's been there 14 years. I don't
even know that there was any written

1092
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:26,719
things in the minutes when soaps came
in. So,

1093
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:32,719
that's the way it worked before. And
we're Before I leave, I'm going on 70

1094
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:39,320
years old. I'm going on 70 years old.
Before I leave, I hope a few things are

1095
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:39,320
in place that never have been in place.

1096
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:50,080
» I try. That's all I can do.
>> What about the dogs that are left?

1097
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:54,400
» Well, if we let Dwayne in the meeting, I
will be taking the six dogs to the

1098
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:58,080
rescue pulling.
There are six dogs in the shelter that

1099
01:19:56,239 --> 01:20:02,800
were allowed to be released to be house
rescue partners.

1100
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:08,960
We end this meeting and I can go get
them and take them where they need to be

1101
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:12,800
tonight. Um so um we will continue to
hopefully have good discussions. You all

1102
01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:17,520
have my phone number because give it out
to the public so you have it. Um so

1103
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:21,840
let's have some conversations. Let's be
transparent to not only the behior

1104
01:20:19,679 --> 01:20:24,960
citizens in this community. Um, and
let's make better choices and changes

1105
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:29,920
moving forward.
>> Wait, wait a minute. Now, you say you

1106
01:20:28,239 --> 01:20:35,920
going to take them yourself?
>> I transport 99.9% of the dogs at least.

1107
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:39,520
» She works right there. She likes road
trips.

1108
01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:42,239
» I have 95,000 miles on that.
>> She personally transport them to where

1109
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:46,560
they need to go
>> just for breakfast.

1110
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:54,960
» All over the place. I mean, but thank
you. That's okay. Okay. I'm

1111
01:20:52,080 --> 01:21:00,400
» That's [snorts] fine. That's fine.
And did I understand that the other

1112
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:05,520
eight that are in Thomasville now
you or what someone from this council is

1113
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:10,800
going to
ensure work to ensure that they will be

1114
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:16,239
transferred back here or that they can
be pulled over there during the two week

1115
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:18,640
or four-week interim by a licensed
rescue.

1116
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:22,800
» Yes, ma'am. Yeah.
>> No, we're gonna I'm gonna

1117
01:21:20,719 --> 01:21:24,960
» I'm gonna work on this as soon as this
is over with.

1118
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:29,600
» We're going to get with one of our
partners and ensure that this moves

1119
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:33,440
smoothly.
>> Are we good?

1120
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:37,199
» We're going to relay this to everybody
that sits at the table up there. Yes.

1121
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:39,679
» Yes.
>> But remember, before you get crucified

1122
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:42,560
though, he really doesn't have the
ability to do that. You guys know that

1123
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:46,560
the ownership belongs to Thomasville.
Now, I hope that it works, but I'm just

1124
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:48,480
saying don't crucify him if he's trying.
And I just

1125
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:52,960
» they don't give up on
>> I just meant the transparency of

1126
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:54,400
speaking with you know your volunteers.
>> Yes.

1127
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,320
» To try to help you guys.
>> Yes.

1128
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:58,560
» That's what we're going to do.
>> Okay.

1129
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:02,560
» We're going to get better at it.
>> Another thing like in the future.

1130
01:22:00,719 --> 01:22:07,159
» But can you stop? We encourage you and
who's

1131
01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:07,159
just

1132
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:18,080
I have a rescue rescue also frost rescue
and um I volunteer

1133
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:23,960
How many years?
>> More than me.

1134
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:23,960
Yes, she husb.

1135
01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:45,280
But anyways, in case something happens
in the future, again like this,

1136
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:49,360
» um I know officer Brown say, but you
know, he he was sitting there saying,

1137
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:52,159
"Yes, we have a contract with him."
Well, in reality, no, he didn't have a

1138
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:57,679
contract.
>> What you're talking about in the future?

1139
01:22:53,920 --> 01:23:02,320
» In the future, have a contract
so that whenever they leave

1140
01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:04,639
» or statement of understanding or
something of that nature,

1141
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:10,719
» they're going to be coming back.
>> Yes, ma'am. And I do want to say because

1142
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:15,360
I did volunteer for years.
There have been things through the year.

1143
01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:20,159
This is before y'all. There have been
things through the years. Always break

1144
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:24,480
up the shelter. It's always put on the
back burner. I I don't know if any of

1145
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:29,920
y'all have ever went out there and tried
to clean out a drain

1146
01:23:27,679 --> 01:23:35,199
with you know what all in it. But I've
been there, done that. No pay, no

1147
01:23:32,639 --> 01:23:39,440
nothing. walked them,
stayed out there with them for hours

1148
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:42,600
cleaning.
But it

1149
01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:50,159
you put your heart and soul in to do
with this.

1150
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:54,320
And
these animals deserve better than the

1151
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:58,480
chance they got. And that's what we're
trying to give them is a better second

1152
01:23:56,000 --> 01:24:04,719
chance. And we put our heart and soul
into them. and we just we want them

1153
01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:09,440
taken care of and we will, you know, we
will still sit there and fix where

1154
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:13,840
they've tried to bust out so that y'all
don't have to. We piece things back

1155
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:19,760
together, you know, but we just
definitely want transparency from the

1156
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:23,920
future in how things are going because
we we put our heart and soul into this.

1157
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:29,440
» Yes, ma'am.
>> We definitely appreciate it.

1158
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:36,000
» All right.
Without further ado,

1159
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:38,320
Mr. Johnson, do you have a
motion?

1160
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:43,199
» Oh, that's right. I'm glad glad y'all
came

1161
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:49,679
y'all. We have to have a open line and
um communication is the key.

1162
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:52,480
» Amen.
>> Hey, y'all know today's Mr. Johnson's

1163
01:24:51,199 --> 01:24:56,013
birthday, too.
>> He's 76. [applause]