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Okay, welcome everybody. I want to welcome you to the City of Hillsburg City Council, redevelopment, successor agency, regular meeting. Can we do a quick roll call please.

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Council member Edwards. Here. Council member Harrod. Here. Council member Kelly. Here. Vice Mayor Mitchell. Here, Mayor Hagley. Here.

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If everybody could stand up and join me in the Pleasure of Allegiance.

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What would you do to the line of the United States and America?

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One nation, I don't know.

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You can give it a little bit of liberty and justice for

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all.

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All right.

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Could I get a motion to approve the agenda please?

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Don't move.

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Second.

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All those in favor?

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Aye.

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Hearing no opposed.

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That is approved.

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Report on closed sessions.

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we did have a closed session and direction was given the staff.

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No, we didn't. We did have a

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yeah, so we had a closed session.

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Oh, okay. It was already I'm recording it out again.

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All right. Announcements and presentations. The first one is a proclamation,

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recognizing at May 5th. May 5th through the 24th of the public service recognition week and come

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of the City Council of the City of Hillsburg, recognizing May 5th through 11th, 2024 as public service

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recognition week in the city of Hillsburg. Whereas public service recognition week is celebrated

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the first full week in May nationwide, and as a time set aside to honor and celebrate those

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who serve our nation as federal, state, county, and local government employees, and whereas each day,

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Employees in our federal state, county, and local government strive to perform their jobs with

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integrity, competence, and professionalism demonstrating a deep commitment to their communities

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and to the people they serve. And whereas our community is served every day by city of

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fields of staff including the city manager's office, community development department, housing

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department, finance department, fire department, police department, public works department,

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electric department, water and wastewater department, and community services department,

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whereas in the face of unprecedented challenges over the last few years,

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the dedicated public employees of the city of Hillsburg have consistently risen to the moment,

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always answering the call to serve our community. Whereas public employees are the life

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butt, blood of our democracy, and choose careers in government not only as jobs, but as commitments

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to serve and whereas the public employees of the City of Hillsburg are committed to exhibiting

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the highest standards of professional excellence, creativity, skill, and customer service.

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Whereas the efficiency of government relies on public employees and volunteers who provide

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services in the quality and quantity required and expected by the public. Whereas the City of Hillsburg

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recognizes the generous contributions of time and talent by public employees and community volunteers

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and the importance of the services they render.

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Whereas all citizens are encouraged to recognize

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the accomplishments and contributions of government employees

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at all levels, federal, state, county, and local.

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Now, therefore, be proclaimed that the city council of the city

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of Hillsburg hereby recognizes May 5th through 11th, 2024

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as public service recognition week in the city of Hillsburg.

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Thank you.

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and is there an employee appreciation committee?

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Welcome.

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Thank you for taking a moment to recognize and celebrate

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public service recognition week and we have a couple members of the employee appreciation committee

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here to accept the population. Thank you. Thank you.

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Okay, you want to take a quick picture?

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Yeah, let's see that.

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We appreciate you today and always.

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Thank you.

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Okay, next up is item number four city manager reports.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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We have a long agenda.

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So I have just a very quick update.

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But in the market calendar section wanted to note that not tomorrow.

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But next Tuesday begins the first of the Tuesday farmers markets for the summer.

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So please be ready and join us out there.

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Um, also just wanted to touch a little bit on the event that we all celebrated this weekend,

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which was the opening of the improvements up at Fitch Mountain, the weather was terrible.

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It was a struck of a, a bad luck, um, that dampened the event a little bit, but still a very neat opportunity to get together and celebrate the improvements.

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I wanted to take just a second to talk on talk about what was done there.

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A lot of our projects are easy to define and have kind of a clear finish line later this year. We'll finish a fire substation.

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It looks like a substation that will be finished. This was a little bit more disparate and far reaching in terms of the improvements.

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So folks who are not there a whole lot may not notice it and folks who use only some of the amenities to mount and may not recognize everything.

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But in total, this project, project included a really significant

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overhaul of the dog park, one of our most used recreational facilities.

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It's got ADA accessibility improvements that were desperately needed.

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New shade structures.

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You play options for the dogs and new fresh bark and landscaping all throughout.

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The parking lot was sealed and striped.

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Looks good after I'm needing it for a while.

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And probably most significantly, we have trail access improvements that are really, really well done and we'll make it a much easier

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amenity and hiking opportunity for the community to access.

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I've told people before my first day in Hillsburg years ago.

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I was told to hike fish mountain.

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I went to do it and I took about 20 steps off the trail and got myself disoriented and lost for a second.

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I figured it out, but it was hard.

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It wasn't clear the trails weren't well marked, they weren't easy to navigate.

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That is all solved right now. We've got stairs and bridges and retaining walls and brand new landscaping.

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So it looks really fantastic. It was really well done.

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And then it was hard to do it on Saturday, given the weather, but I hope everybody gets a chance to climb the mountain.

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There was a new art exhibit at the top.

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done a partnership with the local artist. It is subtle as it should be to respect the

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the natural beauty, but really need and really something to experience up there. So all told

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it's just a big, big improvement to that part of pounds, something we all cherish. It was also a

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really great job by our community services department and our finance department and pulling together

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the financing for this project, which like everything we're working on these days got expensive.

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but we were able to benefit from grants locally and at the state level,

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huge support from Senator Mike McGuire who helped connect us to funding with the California Coastal Conservancy.

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Looking at some fees that were brought in by the city and just cobbling all those pieces together to make a project work

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when it really looked challenging a little bit over a year ago.

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So great job by our team and I wish we'd been able to have a lot more people out there with the weather,

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But strongly encourage people to get out there to face mountain and see those impercoment who looks great.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, that was a great day.

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Very cold and wet.

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There are a couple seats up front if you want to sit.

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They're open and you can help yourself.

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Or friendly.

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All right.

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Next up is public comment on items that are not, sorry, public comments on items on the consent calendar and not on the agenda.

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So this time is set aside to receive comments from the public regarding matters of general interest not on the agenda, but related to city council business.

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pursuant to the Brown Act, however, the City Council cannot consider any issue or take action

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on any request during this comment period. So, at this point, I'd like to open it up for

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public comment on non-agenda items. If you're here for some of the agenda items like the

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public hearing on water or the GMO, we'll have plenty of time allocated for public comment on that.

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So, this is gentleman matters that aren't on the agenda.

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Yeah, welcome.

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Could, sorry, can you, make sure you push the button and should turn green right there so

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we can all hear you.

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Can we start my time again?

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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My name is Richard Cochran, I'm with Climate Action Healsburg.

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Climate Action Healsburg put on the climate fest on April 21st.

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We also did the climate fest a year ago and I believe it was a resounding success.

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That event was put on by the Climate Fest subcommittee of Climate Action Heelsburg.

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I've other subcommittees, and I'm working on one called the Anti-Idoling Committee, or the idle free

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community committee. In any event, I have given to staff over here a copy of an ordinance

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in the Healsburg ordinance code. You'll be presented with it, I believe, after the meeting. But

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Our anti-Italine committee is attempting to get an anti-Italine program in the local schools.

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We have worked with the Healsburg School, St. John's, the West Side School, and more recently with Healsburg Unified School District.

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There's a program that the Environmental Protection Agency of the Federal Government put out a toolkit and effect

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about how to get this program started in local schools.

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But when we've started working on this matter,

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we didn't realize that Hillsburg had an anti-Italine

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ordinance.

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So in part, what we'd like to have you do is consider

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some cooperation and collaboration with the local schools

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that we're working with to advance anti-Italine.

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And this of course is anti-Italine by combustion engine,

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automobiles, not electric vehicles.

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But I walk a good deal every day in town.

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And I've noticed that we're parents are picking up kids

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in particular, but even sometimes at drop-off,

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they're sitting there in their cars, letting them idle.

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And that those toxic films that they emit are not good for young children's lungs.

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In any of that, we now are going to be providing Hillsburg Unified School District with 20 signs

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that say, in effect, this is a no-wildling zone where the children are picked up or dropped off.

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And we're hoping that the city will provide us a measure of assistance of some kind, or provide the

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Keelsburg Unified School District with some assistance in enforcing this ordinance that you have on your books.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Welcome.

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Hi.

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Thank you.

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My name is Stephanie Turk, and I'm a parent of two small kids.

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also here to speak on the same topic that Dick Cochran just talked about, which is the idle

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free community. So I have been working with HUSD and other parents of public and private schools

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around the Hillsburg to do student-led programs to make their schools idle free zones. And we have

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a lot of guidance from the EPA on this. This is an example of a sign that might get posted

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because, as Dick mentioned, you have a hot spot of many idling vehicles and the area increases

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the pollutants, and there's hundreds of airborne toxic pollutants in vehicle exhaust, many are

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carcinogenic and harmful to young kids. So when you're parent, you notice these things. You also notice

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around town in various locations. There's lots of vehicle idling. So around the plaza, parking lots,

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and grocery stores, and I know that folks are doing this out of habit, not they're not trying to

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burn a lot of money and release a lot of emissions, but like a server that I spoke to when I had lunch

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today. At the coffee bar, a little scene, she said, oh, I, I know all the time. I just, I just

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like to sit in my car and do my makeup. She said, I'm not going to add a little anymore. And

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that I know that it's so bad. And I thought maybe people just don't know that this ordinance exists

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and that idling is actually thing that is causing a lot of emissions. The, um, the EPA says that

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if people stopped if vehicle passenger vehicles stopped idling unnecessarily, which is more than 10 seconds

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by the way, if you're in your same spot with your

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chronic for 10 seconds, turn it off.

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We could take the amount of emissions out of the air

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that would be equivalent to removing 5 million vehicles.

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So it's a big deal.

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And with the vehicle exhaust and emissions being our number

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one source of CO2 in Sonoma County,

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I think that if we could have the council's support

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in advertising, promoting, enforcing, however you will,

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this ordinance 10, 28, 160 running of engines when stopped. You also have this more to the support

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of the community. We have lists of names here in a petition that we collected at the climate

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fast people that were really on board for this anti-adulting. We want to see a cleaner town,

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cleaner air, and it's something that benefits everyone. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

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Welcome.

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Hi, my name is Mariah Wimmer and I have two shops on Matheson Street.

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On Thursday I was made aware by one of my vendors that they had just signed a lease

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on 326 Hillsburg Avenue and it is a major brand and I was very taken aback and started

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doing a little research. As far as I was concerned, I thought we had an ordinance that was in place

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that did not allow big formula stores in our downtown area.

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So, you know, I've studied

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off on all the guiding principles and on your general plan. And this business, it's called Ferry,

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brand. It is a very large national slash international brand that is based out in New York.

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They do in the neighborhood of a quarter million dollars a year. They have 60 plus stores

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of their own and they have consistent branding on the outside of their buildings, as well

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as branding on their clothes.

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They're a sink.

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So essentially, they had signed the lease.

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I wasn't people who carried their brand.

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But I think the bigger concern for Hillsburg

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is not just whether it's in conflict with my store,

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but I think opening the doors for the likes,

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it could be the gap, it could be anthropology,

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G, it could be, you know, whoever you think it is, I think is, is a very

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debt, a dangerous precedent to set for, you know, how we move forward in

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Hillsburg. So I would like for the council and the city management team to

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consider putting this as an agenda item on the next meeting, so that we, at this

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point could take a closer look at, you know, how we interpret the ordinances, because as far

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as I could read, the formula stores are prohibited in and around the downtown plaza. And

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when it was informed that it only counted for the store doors facing the plaza, I think

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is incorrect interpretation of the verbiage,

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because on the land development of LDLUD4,

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speaks about the storefronts facing the square,

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the actual square, and that's talking about just how

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they have to have interesting fissards

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and something to look at.

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Whereas the following LUD5 specifically says,

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I'm out of time. Yeah, so thank you. I'm sure somebody else will follow. Thank you.

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Anyone else?

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Welcome.

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My name is Katie and just to sort of piggyback on my rate of was saying that I think part of the charm of fields vergways in the unique and diverse makeup of locally owned businesses.

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and maybe I shouldn't say the majority, but many of the businesses that downtown are owned by families who live here,

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whose children go to have gone through school here. People that really have a vested interest in presence in our community.

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And I think that the inclusion of chain retail shops isn't something that for me comes to mind when I think of walking downtown Hillsburg.

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You know, something that sort of you can find in the shop in the mall in San Rosa would not be what I would expect to see in Hillsburg.

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I just don't don't think that that really aligns with what I believe that the vision for

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the downtown business district and heelsburg as a whole is.

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So, and that's all.

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Thank you. Anyone else?

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Welcome.

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My name is a Bjorn Wemmer and I'm Maritas Sun.

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And I just wanted to piggyback off of what they both said. I truly believe that it would be detrimental

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to the small town community to let large corporations in like this. And based off the

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verbiage, I also think we should define more clearly what encompasses the plaza,

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and maybe even expand on it to all of downtown Hillsburg, so that we don't allow these large

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corporations to come in. And that's really all I want to add to what they said. Okay, thank you.

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Anyone else for non-engine items?

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Welcome.

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I have a business in downtown Hillsburg as well.

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Off the Plaza, and I really agreed with Bjorn,

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I think that the language around the ordinance,

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the language in the actual distance that the ordinance applies to

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needs to be expanded as the retail district of our town

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starts to expand into both field district and appeals for governance in the north direction,

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you know, the hotel that's going to eventually be built is going to have retail.

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It would be lovely if that remained more local owned business, as well as anything that ends up at the

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mill district. So I think it's probably time to take a look at a specific language of the ordinance.

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Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else?

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Welcome.

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Holly Brand and we have a business in the downtown district as well. And just confirming that I think it's time to revisit what the business plan is.

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Because I was told today that there wasn't an ordinance that is just part of the business the business overall business agenda or plan.

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And when I did talk to a representative at the city, they said they had reviewed the website of Ferry, and they did not consider it a formula store.

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And it didn't sound like they were aware that there were 60 plus retail stores across the country.

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And so further discussion on that would be great.

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Thank you.

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All right, anybody else,

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one once? All right, with that, I will close public comment and we'll move on to the consent calendar and I would entertain a motion on the consent calendar.

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I have a question on one of the items on the consent calendar 6G.

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G6G is fire department SB 205 inspection report. Yes. Yeah, I wanted to get some clarification. If I could from chief bow as on what exactly that was because it wasn't in the annual fire report. So if we could get a little info on that.

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Councillor Strouder, where's your questions you're referring to the group our occupancies in the

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aspect?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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I think I reported on that in our annual report to council, but if I didn't apologize,

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they're mandated annual inspections of group our occupancies, which are mostly apartment

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complexes, but also include hotels, motels, things like that were required by the state

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to do them yearly after the go-shift fire down in Oakland and fire chief, fire marshal

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vision chief, last McDonald's and charge of that program. We did have 100% clients. I think we have

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118 group our occupancies in the city of Hiltsburg and we did inspect all of them. Does that

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answer your question? That also includes our nursing homes and care facilities. Correct. All right. Good.

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Thank you. Good. All right. We have a couple of recusals. So I am going to recuse on the landscape

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the lighting assessment district, which is 6H,

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and then the council member Kelly, you won't

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we're going to re-cuse on I, correct? Yes. And so for item 6H, I live within the assessment district,

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and therefore I will be stepping back from that one. So do you want to somebody make a motion on

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approval of the consent calendar except for items H and I.

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So moved.

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Second.

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Vice Mayor, do you want to? Oh yeah.

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The wait, you're still in this.

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You're in this.

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You're in this.

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Oh.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Roll call.

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Vote please.

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Councilmember Edwards.

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Yes.

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Councilmember Heron.

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Yes.

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Councilmember Kelly.

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Yes.

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Vice Mayor Mitchell.

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Yes.

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All right.

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I'm going to speech back.

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So would we have a motion on 6-8, please?

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So moved. Second. All in favor. Aye. Aye. Okay. All right. And I believe I live, but I'm not sure the distance to location for item six.

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Aye. So out of an abundance of caution, I'm going to recuse myself from the vote on item six.

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I'll entertain a motion on approval of six high.

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Move we approve six high.

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Second.

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All is a favor.

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Aye.

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All right.

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Hearing no pose that passes.

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And now we are on to this is to consider adoption of the updated water and wastewater rates.

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Schedules may we have a staff report please.

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Good evening, Mayor's council members.

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Tonight, this agenda item is to hold a public hearing in accordance with Prop 2018 for the proposed

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rates for the rate changes for water and wastewater.

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This is a culmination of work that staff has been

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a cut-cost, lower operating cost, find

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ways to trim the budget to meet the revenues that are currently coming in.

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There's a point where we could do as much as we've done, and then we needed to call in a

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Consultant to look at our financial outlook and then look at pros of change to a rate structures.

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As you'll remember in 2022, we adopted a five-year plan for rates. We've gotten to the first two

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years of that, but it's not sufficient to cover the operating costs as well as

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build CIP projects. So with that, I will turn the presentation over to the consultants,

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Raff Tellis, which is chemochastic. We'll be presenting and walking through the rate processes settings,

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the rate structures and some of the outcomes.

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Thank you, Terry, and good evening, Council.

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This is Kevin Costick from RAPTELUS.

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We can go to the next slide.

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And we can step through a few of these.

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It's an animation.

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As Terry mentioned, we've been at this for some time.

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We started our kickoff with your staff last fall

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around Labor Day.

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And our first step is talking about the rate setting framework.

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What are our goals and objectives for the study?

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What are any alternative rate structures

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rate design that we want to evaluate. The second primary step is developing a long-range

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financial plan, so we look out over a 10-year period for your both your water and wastewater

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utilities. Look at the operating environment, future capital costs, conduct a cash flow analysis

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and look at different scenarios or options to fully fund the utilities over the long-term.

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The third step is our rate design. We step through a cost-of-service analysis where we're allocating

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our system costs to different user groups based on how they burden the system with their demand

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patterns, with their meter connections, wastewater generation, etc. And again, looking at alternative

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rate structures, which you'll see tonight, a tiered rate structure for single family residential

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users. And then the last step in rate design is calculating those rates and conducting an impact analysis.

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steps four and five are related to rated option and we go one more. First step is really about documenting our study in a study report that's reviewed by city staff by legal counsel and that's been completed and then our last step is procedural with proposition to 18 that's what we're here to do tonight is to hold the public hearing.

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We've noticed our customers, we've walked through the 45-day minimum protest period, and so this is the end of the end of the road so to speak for the rate study tonight.

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Next one more please.

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So that first step is really about our rate setting framework and our objectives and our community values drive what we want to evaluate within a rate study.

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And these are key objectives or key values that you'll see woven into the long range plan and the rate structures.

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So the first is making sure that our rates are fair when they make sure that they're fair to all of our customer classes based on their service level based on their demand patterns and their different characteristics.

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So everyone pays their fair share.

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The second is ensuring financial efficiencies.

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We want to make sure that our utility enterprises stand on their own, recover not just their operating cost,

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but also long-term capital projects and cash reserves as well.

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And then for your water utility,

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you want to ensure that we have secure supplies

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over the long-term to weather shortages

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and changes in your existing source supply.

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So how we weave those objectives into our study,

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first is water enterprise financial plan,

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it prioritizes the city's future water supply

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and you see that in the funding for capital projects

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and future operating costs. Water-only water financial plans that allow for us to invest

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in reinvesting critical infrastructure, adhered rates for single-family residential users,

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and a reserves policy that lessens rate impacts.

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Thank you. A couple more. We have animation here again.

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So cutting to the chase, based on the proposed rates that were noticed to customers, what

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the impacts to our typical single-family residential user,

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so this is showing a typical user in year one.

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They'd expect to see roughly a $16.50 increase

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for their water service each month,

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and about $17.60 for wastewater service.

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The drivers are fairly similar between the two,

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the capital improvement program

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due to aging infrastructure, cost, pressure,

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due to inflation on the operating front,

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the cash position of each utility

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and the need to have sufficient cash or operating cost but also risk management.

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And then also rate restructuring when it comes to water service again talking about the

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tiered rate structure. Next slide.

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I'll turn this back to your utility's director.

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So in setting up the rates and looking at what's recommended for the city to pursue and fun,

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one of the bigger things that came out of the rate study in the public hearings was a

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about water supply. And so certainly the city was challenged with water supply during the 2021

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drought, and certainly in the future of the city will continue to be challenged with water supplies.

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And so looking at options and building a stronger supply source for resiliency through drought

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years is important. With the potter valley projects going away, that is going to reduce the amount of

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water within the upper Russian river that will impact the city's water rights. And so again,

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the city receives about 80% of its water right now from the Russian river. So without flows from

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the potter valley project, that becomes less reliable in the future. During the discussions,

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Council provided direct to the staff to prioritize development of more stable water supplies,

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and so looking at Lake Sonoma and Dry Creek was an option for the city of Healsburg.

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But there's additional costs with that. So we looked at rearranging their CIP projects,

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deferring certain projects, staggering other projects, to make room for some rehabilitation

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work and dry creek wells. So existing wells, we have trying to re-establish that capacity,

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the pumping capacity, so we get increased amount of pumping capacity from dry creek, and then contract

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water from snowmow water agency. So that's a project that pushed for there, and that rearrangement

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projects has roughly an increase of one percent in the third year of the study, but does

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provide in a drought year much more secure and stable water supply. So the city wouldn't have

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to go to such high levels of conservation such as 40 to 50 percent conservation, but maybe in

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those extreme years would only have to go to 20 percent conservation. If those treatment improvements

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are delayed. It's these other projects are delayed. We may lose access to the

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fish well fields. So that's over the time. It's been one of the biggest

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producers for water during the summer months. We don't you rely on the

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fish well field during the winter because of turbidity issues, water quality issues.

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But that is an outcome of this shifting and prioritization of dry creek is that

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the fish well fields may become unavailable to the city. Next slide, please.

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So another piece that we wanted to illustrate for the council is the plan capital projects that are included in the proposed rate changes as well as projects that we removed from the three-year window for funding.

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And so walking through, I won't take a long time with this, but walking through some of these projects, we've proposed to include about $3.9 million over the next three years.

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The first project project compares cryptospiridium that's a parasite.

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We've tested our wells, we found that that parasite exists in our wells and so we need

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to filter it, which means we need to build new facilities to filter that out of our system

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to provide safe and healthy water.

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We have to fund that.

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The next odd project down here is the dry creek pumping and clear well improvements.

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That's what we talked about with the water supply.

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So to access water from dry creek and the volumes of the city needs,

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we need to re-establish that pumping capacity.

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And that's that project there.

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The reservoir liner, Godland is another third maintenance project.

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Heels for water and waste water.

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This is water and waste water replacements

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that head up the Heels for a new street improvement.

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So we want to improve those things

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before we do the surface improvement.

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So we don't dig those up later on.

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Round street, seawand water replacements.

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But this is a water line that's been in service since 1910.

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We'd like to replace that before it starts to fail more frequently.

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University Street Sewer and Water again, aging facilities, orchard lift station rehabilitation

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this is the lift station that's in the middle of the street.

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The lid is starting to fail and we'd like to replace that lid before it fails and somebody

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drives into it.

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Heelsberg Avenue Sewer Replacement Project, another aging facility that we'd like to replace

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The water reclamation facility membrane replacements, so we have membranes at the water recommendation facility to treat our wastewater.

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Certain years, we have to replace those membranes as it were out to maintain the acid there, so that's an important project for that.

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And then the Magnely Listation is the final listation in the wastewater collection system.

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If that fails, we have no way to get the wastewater to our treatment plant.

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So we want to be proactive and look at that facility that was built in the 70s and see what we need to do to make it last for another 50 years or so.

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These other projects we've moved out. So again, 27.5 million, which also includes an estimated cost for PFAS removal, which is forever chemical that's been found in the water and the EPA is just recently released.

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requirements for the filtration of that.

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We're not sure if our water will require that filtration, but it's in here because for awareness.

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But these are several projects that we deferred.

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These projects don't necessarily go away, but these projects remain on the list, but not funded in the current three-year window.

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So there's some risk with doing that, but we understand that we can't increase rates infinitely.

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So we have to push out some projects, but we also realize that we can't push out all projects forever.

447
00:41:55,690 --> 00:41:59,110
So there's a balance point here, and that's what we're trying to illustrate here.

448
00:42:00,230 --> 00:42:01,970
And with that, I'll turn it back over to Kevin.

449
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:11,050
Thank you. So one of the primary changes to the rate structures proposed. The cycle is to move

450
00:42:11,050 --> 00:42:19,330
residential users to a three-tier commodity rate, or water use rate. And you see the logic here.

451
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:24,310
The first tier would be up to the first five units. So a unit of water is also referred to as a

452
00:42:24,310 --> 00:42:31,750
cubic feet at 748 gallons or about 15 bathtubs full of water. So those first five units would be

453
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:37,630
offered at the lowest rate possible that we are cost congested by and that's based on the average

454
00:42:37,630 --> 00:42:45,990
winner water use of customers in Healdsburg. Similarly, Tier II would be defined from the 6th unit

455
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:52,510
up through the 10th unit and again looking within the customer billing data, how folks in Healdburg

456
00:42:52,510 --> 00:42:57,950
use water and defining that to your based on the peak needs in the summer period for our residential

457
00:42:57,950 --> 00:43:04,030
customers. Then tier 3 would be all water used greater than 10 units. So again, going from the

458
00:43:04,030 --> 00:43:08,810
current structure, which is just a uniform rate, 1 rate for every unit of water, whether it's the

459
00:43:08,810 --> 00:43:17,380
first through the 20th to this 3 tier that you see here. Thanks a lot. So let's turn to the fixed

460
00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:23,140
charges for water service. And again, a 3 year schedule, because we're looking at a 3 year

461
00:43:23,140 --> 00:43:28,780
rate adoption, the table showing our current rates in the FY2024 column, and then three years

462
00:43:28,780 --> 00:43:29,340
of proposed.

463
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:37,620
So the proposed structure does modify the residential fixed charges and harmonizes with

464
00:43:37,620 --> 00:43:42,280
all of our other fixed charges so that all water service charges are based on the size

465
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:42,700
of the meter.

466
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:48,920
Those are effectively our classes, or the size of the meter, again talking about fairness

467
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:56,220
between different user groups, so residential folks would now rather than being per dwelling unit

468
00:43:56,220 --> 00:44:02,750
would find themselves into the respective meter size. Most single family would be that up to one inch

469
00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:10,220
connection with a proposed rate of $41.34 and then for multi-family connections that tend to be

470
00:44:10,220 --> 00:44:15,360
larger connections and might have many dwelling units, again they would pay based on their respective

471
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,620
meter sets. Next up

472
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:25,190
our water commodity rates here again the water use rates bringing in those

473
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:30,470
residential tiers that I described a couple slides earlier. Again the first tier up to five units

474
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:36,390
tier 2 up to 10 units of water and then tier 3 being greater than 10. Our current rates again

475
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:42,730
$6.48 uniformly across all units of water both for residential but all of our non-residential

476
00:44:42,730 --> 00:44:49,970
classes as well. So, the proposed we're able to maintain the first tier at $6.40, that's simply

477
00:44:49,970 --> 00:44:56,070
a coincidence that it shakes out to be exactly what your current rate is. And then tier two, higher

478
00:44:56,070 --> 00:44:59,970
at $8.41, and then tier three at $10.80. And what we're different.

479
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:11,080
Branchating there is, again, those demand patterns, how peaky, how much water is used in the peak period versus the average period for each one of these tiers to justify the differential between them.

480
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:26,020
Then for our non-residential classes, similarly, we're differentiating between commercial users, industrial type users and landscape, which stands for irrigation. So those meters that are dedicated for outdoor irrigation needs.

481
00:45:26,820 --> 00:45:34,560
commercial rate increasing in the first year from 6.48 to 7.61 industrial up to $9.49 and

482
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:41,120
landscape 11.06. The river of UHOA is a contract base rate that would be increased up to $1.93.

483
00:45:43,210 --> 00:45:49,910
Next. Turning the waste water side of the house again a three year schedule here showing

484
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:56,510
our fixed charges first so we have service charges for residential users. We see the single family

485
00:45:56,510 --> 00:46:04,550
would increase from $46.67 to $51.33 doing the way with the single family in ADU that would

486
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:08,830
those types of connections would find their way into either the single family residential or

487
00:46:08,830 --> 00:46:13,550
the multi-family depending on their specific circumstances. And then for our non-residential

488
00:46:13,550 --> 00:46:21,100
service charges differentiated by meter size. And then lastly, we'll be our wastewater usage

489
00:46:21,100 --> 00:46:27,340
charges, so our wastewater use for residential based on average winter, average winter water

490
00:46:27,340 --> 00:46:33,440
use. Current rate is $11.47 for every unit of water, and the proposed would increase in the

491
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:39,740
first year to 1471. Similarly for our non-residential we differentiated by the strength of wastewater

492
00:46:39,740 --> 00:46:46,840
that's discharged. You see low medium and high there, all changing, differently based on the updated

493
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,800
cost allocations, but all increasing with the exception of high strength, which comes down about

494
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:52,260
a dollar.

495
00:46:56,700 --> 00:47:02,700
So, comparing ourselves to neighboring agencies, mindful that other agencies are in different

496
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:07,360
parts of their rate cycle. They may have different system ages. They have different sources of supply

497
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:15,580
that may be more or less expensive than the city of Healdsburg. We see the current bill for this is

498
00:47:15,580 --> 00:47:22,360
average single-family residential user and that being a seven units of water, four units of sewer

499
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:30,800
service with a less than one-inch connection. Currently, that bill is 16652. This proposal would

500
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:38,720
have year run that year-one impact up to $273. We did want to note that sabastable winds are in

501
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:44,780
at park or I'll currently conducting studies, the City of Sebastopol is looking at some significant

502
00:47:44,780 --> 00:47:51,320
increases that would move them. Just above where your current position is, but they're

503
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:52,900
public hearing and scheduled for next month.

504
00:47:56,300 --> 00:47:58,040
So that's water and wastewater, but it doesn't

505
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:04,200
tell the whole story because you're unique in the region where you have your own local electric utility

506
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:11,180
as well and you're able to offer that electric service for less than what PG&E can. So when we add

507
00:48:11,180 --> 00:48:14,400
in to look at more of a comprehensive utility bill.

508
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,380
Again, single-family residential, 70-inths of water,

509
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:22,060
four units of sewer, and 450-6 kilowatt hours of power.

510
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,960
You actually end up more favorable than everybody else

511
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,280
in the region, again, because you're able to offer

512
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,500
that electric service so affordably.

513
00:48:33,940 --> 00:48:36,000
If we can step through a few of these.

514
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,300
So looking at our adoption and implementation schedule,

515
00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:46,260
We met with you all March 18th.

516
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,040
We talked about the proposed rate structures and the draft financial report.

517
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:56,060
That kicked off our noticing period, which, again, is a 45 day minimum.

518
00:48:56,980 --> 00:49:03,380
That leads us to tonight the public hearing on proposed rates, where a formal rate adoption

519
00:49:03,380 --> 00:49:08,000
can take place in a majority protest should rates be adopted tonight.

520
00:49:08,180 --> 00:49:11,680
There would be a second reading of the rate ordinance on May 20th.

521
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:17,220
new rates would be effective for all water and wastewater service happening after July 1st

522
00:49:17,220 --> 00:49:20,520
and that would appear on the August utility bill.

523
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:23,900
Next,

524
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,080
I'll turn this back to your utility's

525
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:35,920
director. So, as required by Propsage into a team to adopt rates, there's a prop to a team

526
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:41,540
process that needs to be held and part of that is to hold a public hearing, and so the procedures

527
00:49:41,540 --> 00:49:47,340
for that in general, our outline above, you know, to have after the presentation council's questions,

528
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:53,920
then have council open up public hearing, allow that public comment, close the public hearing,

529
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:59,800
ask the city clerk to provide a vote of protests that have been presented to the city,

530
00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:04,160
and then further council deliberation on the potential adoption of rates.

531
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,760
So with that, I will open up to any council questions.

532
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:16,300
Thank you. I appreciate the presentation. So at this point, any questions from council, council member Kelly.

533
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:34,120
Thank you for the presentation. And I know that prior in this process, we had talked about concerns around the Potter Valley project and wanting to have more certainty with access to water and the potential curtailments during a drought.

534
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:53,280
So appreciate kind of the focus on doing more around the dry creek wells and trying to shift some of our water reliability over towards Lake Sonoma given the capacity of Lake Sonoma versus Lake Mendocino and kind of that.

535
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:04,440
One of the things you mentioned in that slide around the capital improvements was something

536
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:12,640
with respect to the Fitch Mountain Wells and not making certain investments there now and the

537
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:19,980
potential for some sort of situation where if the improvements on the dry creek side

538
00:51:19,980 --> 00:51:25,780
aren't realized, then we're not making that investment in the Fitch Mountain Wells currently,

539
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:31,160
which is a choice we're proactively making right now. What kind of situation might we find ourselves

540
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:36,400
in or can you elaborate on that just a little further so I understand? So again, the intent is to

541
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:43,060
shift the CIP projects around to minimize the rate increase. That's necessary. So one of the projects

542
00:51:43,060 --> 00:51:47,740
that we're shifting around is the cryptospritium. So if we install cryptospritium treatment at

543
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:53,160
Crickwells and delay the installation of cryptospreading on the Fritchwell field.

544
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:59,560
We can use that funding to fund the rehabilitation of the pumping capacity of the dry

545
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:00,640
Crickwells.

546
00:52:00,900 --> 00:52:04,980
But again, if you don't filter out the cryptospreading on the Fritchwell field, we may be

547
00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:06,900
limited using those well fields.

548
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:08,980
So that's the risk there.

549
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:14,540
One of the benefits there as well is that we don't necessarily know what the PFAS levels

550
00:52:14,540 --> 00:52:15,880
are in the Russian River.

551
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,960
And that's another piece of treatment that would have to go in at both dry creek if it's

552
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,520
it's just there and the fish well field if it exists there.

553
00:52:23,740 --> 00:52:29,140
And so if we can actually delay the investments in the fish well field a little bit longer,

554
00:52:29,340 --> 00:52:33,680
we can actually make a decision on what holistically the cost of maintaining that fish well

555
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,580
field is versus putting that money towards dry creek.

556
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:43,580
So there's a little bit of a timing game there that has to be kind of played out over the

557
00:52:43,580 --> 00:52:44,200
next three years.

558
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,520
but that's the kind of timeline that we're looking at for it

559
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,740
and those are the exchanges that we're.

560
00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:53,750
Great, thank you.

561
00:52:55,420 --> 00:52:55,840
It comes from a rare.

562
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,040
Thank you.

563
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,000
I want to bring up a question that our perception,

564
00:53:01,660 --> 00:53:03,540
maybe this come up in the public a lot.

565
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,060
It's not necessarily mine.

566
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:07,760
I want to, but I think it's something that we should address

567
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:14,020
and that's the idea that we have a really large,

568
00:53:14,020 --> 00:53:16,160
sort of pile up of capital projects.

569
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:17,880
at this point in time.

570
00:53:18,460 --> 00:53:20,720
And it's my impression, you can correct me if I'm wrong.

571
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,320
It's that if you look at the utilities department

572
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,320
a now 10 years ago, 15 years ago, 20 years ago,

573
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,780
you will see a long list of things that are completed along

574
00:53:29,780 --> 00:53:32,640
to do list, presently, and many items that are deferred,

575
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:37,140
because you don't have the time or the money to get to them just yet.

576
00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:41,300
And that this is a usual situation for a department like this.

577
00:53:41,300 --> 00:54:09,500
But I want you to, you know, if you can compare the present moment to how the utility department has been situated in the past and and also maybe a point out what significantly different I think the part of our evaluation is a good example that so you can check that box, but there's anything else along those lines about something that's very unique about what's happening now that wasn't happening in the past.

578
00:54:09,500 --> 00:54:20,360
I think that would be helpful to people because I think there's like said there's a perception that maybe we just haven't been doing stuff for a long time and that's what we have as long as I don't have that perception frankly, but I think it needs to be addressed.

579
00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:26,980
So to try and speak to maybe what the differences are or the past 10 years or 15 years.

580
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:36,620
So the city does have about 60 miles of waterline and 60 miles of waste waterline. So again, that's as illustrate of that's enough to go to the Golden Gate Bridge and back.

581
00:54:36,620 --> 00:54:39,540
And that's all under the city streets and that's all maintained.

582
00:54:40,620 --> 00:54:43,500
That water line typically has about a 50-year life.

583
00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:47,040
And that's when you just start to plan to replace it.

584
00:54:47,540 --> 00:54:52,860
For the city, over a third of that mileage is over 50 years.

585
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,020
So one third is past due for replacement.

586
00:54:56,140 --> 00:55:00,360
And that's really the backlog as far as the water distribution system

587
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,100
and the water collection system that's different.

588
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:10,920
Also, you know, one thing that I would know that's different for the city of Hillsbury than some of the other cities is our water treatment facility.

589
00:55:11,260 --> 00:55:16,200
So we have membrane filtration to reduce the turbidity of the Russian river during the winter season.

590
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,920
That's a regulatory obligation that was put in place in the early 2000.

591
00:55:20,020 --> 00:55:22,380
That's a debt service that the city has to continue to pay.

592
00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:24,620
That's some of the other cities in the areas that don't pay.

593
00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:29,800
On the wastewater side, we do have a tertiary treated UV-discffected plant.

594
00:55:30,380 --> 00:55:38,740
That is a requirement of the region, not all cities have that, plant, not all cities have that debt service, but that's an also a regulatory obligation.

595
00:55:39,180 --> 00:55:46,180
And then again, additionally, the city has a obligation for the to meet the discharge prohibition season.

596
00:55:46,420 --> 00:55:54,840
So from May 15th to the end of September to not discharge tertiary treated, you'd be disconnected in a pretty cycle water to the Russian river.

597
00:55:54,840 --> 00:56:01,280
We have to find a way to benefitually use that water, which means we have to build out that recycled water system.

598
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:07,980
So for several years, we've been building out that recycled water system, and that's been consuming a capital that's available to the city.

599
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:23,140
So the change in, you know, the system just continuing to age over years, the change in these regulatory obligations taking a priority to normal replacement of distribution systems and collection systems,

600
00:56:23,140 --> 00:56:24,860
is underground pipes in the system.

601
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,240
I think that's really indicative of the change

602
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:29,500
that we're seeing right now

603
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:32,300
and that we have this compounding issue today

604
00:56:32,300 --> 00:56:35,040
where we also have to meet these regulatory obligations

605
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,140
pay this debt service that's ongoing.

606
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,000
And then, but also look at the maintenance of our system

607
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,180
and try and catch up with that.

608
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,620
And so I think that's really what's kind of driving

609
00:56:45,460 --> 00:56:47,040
what's moving forward.

610
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:48,540
Thank you.

611
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,660
But in terms of the aging pipeline,

612
00:56:51,660 --> 00:56:57,580
That's that's something that's ongoing. That's something we've been attending to regularly throughout the years. Is that right?

613
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:04,700
I would say no. I would say that the regulatory obligations consume all of the capital that's available within the previous

614
00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:07,800
straight structures and then those projects get deferred.

615
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,340
And a good example is Brown Street, University Street,

616
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:11,180
Hillsburg Avenue.

617
00:57:11,460 --> 00:57:14,200
Those are projects that have been on the shelf for several years.

618
00:57:14,980 --> 00:57:16,500
And in concept of trying to fund,

619
00:57:16,820 --> 00:57:19,500
but there's never been enough money to actually push those forward.

620
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,660
And I think that's really the challenge for the cities.

621
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,680
That we need to get a point where we can meet these regulatory

622
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:25,160
obligations.

623
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:29,300
These new things to come in, such as Cryptospritium or the PFAS.

624
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,480
But then also be able to fund this deferred maintenance

625
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,520
or the replacement of our aging facilities.

626
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,300
Thanks. Thank you very much.

627
00:57:38,580 --> 00:57:39,240
Council Member Edwards.

628
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:50,900
Yeah, I think that we have been looking at this since February and you were saying like to do these things and I think that the council has heard these presentations and we're saying these are things we need to do.

629
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:55,420
We've looked at the importance of having the safe water and feel that these are really important.

630
00:57:55,420 --> 00:58:01,800
And so I think this would be fair to say that we are looking at this in a big picture at a high level.

631
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,760
We're not saying let's put a band aid on it.

632
00:58:04,020 --> 00:58:09,320
Let's tie to take care of these past capital improvements that really aren't capital improvements.

633
00:58:09,540 --> 00:58:12,480
They're really necessary for our water system to continue.

634
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:18,640
So my understanding is that we can't just do this in a piece meal because it hasn't worked in the past.

635
00:58:18,820 --> 00:58:25,080
That by taking a look at the rate study by looking deeply at the 60 miles of way, 60 miles of water,

636
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:30,360
they were looking at the whole thing and we're trying to address it now instead of doing a piece

637
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:35,860
meal and so my question is, we can't break this up and make it work because of financing.

638
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:42,100
Is that correct? That that's a challenge for the city is one we're not in a strong

639
00:58:42,100 --> 00:58:48,780
finding right now so we're not meeting bond covenants that's one of the reasons that we're here

640
00:58:48,780 --> 00:58:53,480
in front of you to talk about proposed rate increases we're not meeting the requirements for our current

641
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:59,460
at service. And so we need to fix that first before you could even go out and consider looking

642
00:58:59,460 --> 00:59:04,540
at financing. But then again, the financing looking forward, there's a given take there,

643
00:59:04,660 --> 00:59:08,380
it's like, oh yeah, that lowers your rates, but it provides a long-term obligation. And so,

644
00:59:08,540 --> 00:59:13,880
what do you do when the next series of projects come forward? Do you continue to finance those?

645
00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:19,580
Or do you find a pay as you go? Or do you find an equilibrium in your rates that you can continue

646
00:59:19,580 --> 00:59:21,680
to move forward with your aging infrastructure

647
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,720
and replace that entirely manner of versus continuing

648
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,340
to assume debt.

649
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:30,380
So what I'm hearing that really for non-linear water system,

650
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,100
but our financial system, we really need to address this.

651
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,100
And I think that's what we're doing as we are.

652
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:37,640
If it were a family, we'd be looking at our budget,

653
00:59:37,980 --> 00:59:40,980
and it would be painful, but we need to prepare for the future

654
00:59:40,980 --> 00:59:42,940
because you got to have an emergency fund.

655
00:59:43,300 --> 00:59:45,020
And this is securing our emergency fund

656
00:59:45,020 --> 00:59:47,540
and ability to deal with major things in the future.

657
00:59:47,540 --> 00:59:54,840
That is correct as looking for the long-term health of the water. Thank you, Vice Mayor.

658
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,960
Yeah. Thank you for that. It was helpful and clear.

659
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,120
I wanted to ask about the reserve policy change. If you could just recap that for us.

660
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:12,520
Absolutely. So the reserve policy assistance right now is there is a million dollar capital reserve policy.

661
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:19,300
And so that lives in our capital fund. And that reserve is only allowed to be used to fix emergency capital

662
01:00:19,300 --> 01:00:27,140
repairs or natural disasters that cause major infrastructure problems. And so the proposal is to change that into a

663
01:00:27,140 --> 01:00:32,080
stabilization reserve. Keep the same target of $1 million, but move it to the operating fund.

664
01:00:32,540 --> 01:00:37,220
And therefore, we can use that money to, as we're proposing in the upcoming budget cycle,

665
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:43,120
to support some of those capital projects, but also lessen the impact on the rates. So that we can

666
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:49,360
still have that money when we need it, but we don't necessarily need to increase the rates so drastically.

667
01:00:49,700 --> 01:00:55,160
We can kind of use that to soften the blow and incrementally increase those rates. And so

668
01:00:58,580 --> 01:00:59,220
we're going

669
01:00:59,220 --> 01:01:05,980
use the money to help with the capital projects to keep the rates down but continue to have a reserve

670
01:01:06,500 --> 01:01:12,040
for that purpose. Yes, absolutely. We'll be using not the entire million dollars, but we are proposing to use

671
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:17,420
a significant portion in both funds in both fiscal years. And it sounds like some of the comments

672
01:01:17,420 --> 01:01:24,480
is that some of the capital projects may the prioritization of when and how we do them may shift a

673
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:30,580
a little bit depending on money and regulations. Is that a fair statement?

674
01:01:32,420 --> 01:01:36,540
I think at this point we have a pretty good picture. I mean there's no perfect crystal ball but

675
01:01:36,540 --> 01:01:40,340
I think over the next two years and certainly over the next three years what we programed here

676
01:01:40,340 --> 01:01:44,940
is what we'd like to fund and get constructed and completed.

677
01:01:47,020 --> 01:01:52,660
And the dry creek wells, the Potter Valley project is going to be several years off probably right

678
01:01:52,660 --> 01:01:55,800
as far as removing the dams and so on.

679
01:01:56,220 --> 01:01:58,420
So some of the challenge with the Potter Valley Project is

680
01:01:58,420 --> 01:02:00,640
so Lake Pillsbury, the Scott Dam,

681
01:02:01,660 --> 01:02:03,600
is seismically challenged and so PG&E

682
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,820
is reduced to reservoir storage in the Lake Pillsbury.

683
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,460
So that means there's less flow into the EO River

684
01:02:09,460 --> 01:02:10,980
and that means there's less water

685
01:02:10,980 --> 01:02:12,280
that would transfer from the EO River

686
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,280
through the Potter Valley Project into the River.

687
01:02:15,060 --> 01:02:17,480
Additionally, there's been some failures

688
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:18,820
at the Potter Valley Projects

689
01:02:18,820 --> 01:02:21,740
so PG&E is no longer generating at the Potter Valley Project.

690
01:02:21,740 --> 01:02:23,760
So they don't need the water demand there.

691
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:29,940
So they are bypassing the plant, which means there's a lesser flow around and through that

692
01:02:29,940 --> 01:02:31,460
potter valley project as well.

693
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:38,820
So ultimately, going forward, starting last year, there's less water moving into Lake Mendocino

694
01:02:38,820 --> 01:02:40,620
from the potter valley project.

695
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,440
And that means that through the summers, even in a normal year, there's going to be a less

696
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:48,060
water flowing past hillsburg in the upper Russian river.

697
01:02:48,540 --> 01:02:50,600
And that will challenge the supply of water.

698
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:56,700
So this year a normal year probably is going to be fine, but you could have even just a slightly

699
01:02:56,700 --> 01:03:01,140
below average year where there's not a lot of storage and Lake Mendocino that could cause

700
01:03:01,140 --> 01:03:07,400
some level of curtailment in the upper-wrestened river where it may not have that same level

701
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,660
of containment from Lake Sonoma and Dry Creek and that's really where that shift provides

702
01:03:11,660 --> 01:03:17,880
heels for a unique position and reliability that we can shift some of our water usage to Dry Creek.

703
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:24,760
So it gives us some water security, maybe about the same time, it would be done when

704
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:25,640
Potter Valley is.

705
01:03:26,340 --> 01:03:29,920
Yeah, I think we'll be a little bit ahead of that.

706
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,760
And again, during and throughout here, there's still going to be a need for conservation,

707
01:03:33,140 --> 01:03:37,920
but we just want to learn our lesson, have to put ourselves in a position where we have such

708
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,260
drastic needs for conservation.

709
01:03:41,380 --> 01:03:42,340
Thank you.

710
01:03:43,300 --> 01:03:43,920
All right.

711
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:50,640
With that, I want to announce time to hear from the public, because this is a public hearing.

712
01:03:51,460 --> 01:03:59,760
I'd like to remind everyone that if you wish to file a written protest against the proposed new water or waste water rates, you must deliver it to the city clerk.

713
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,160
Right now, do you want to raise your hand?

714
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,000
To the city clerk before the close of this public hearing.

715
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:11,340
Notice that tonight's public hearing was sent to all property owners and all water and waste water customers.

716
01:04:11,340 --> 01:04:17,320
those notices, detailed the requirements for submitting a required, for submitting a written

717
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:22,580
protest against the rates. Only written protests that contain all of the required information

718
01:04:22,580 --> 01:04:29,380
and that are received by the clerk right there. Before I close this hearing tonight, we'll be counted.

719
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:34,280
If written protests are received from a majority of the parcels that would be subject to the new

720
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:39,920
rates, Council will not adopt the rates. So with that, I'll now open the public hearing and if you

721
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,340
I would like to speak. I would like to welcome you. Welcome,

722
01:04:45,860 --> 01:04:47,020
and I appreciate your patience.

723
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:48,460
Oh, you're welcome.

724
01:04:48,820 --> 01:04:52,860
I appreciate it, so I'm Stanley Crane. Heelsberg Residence for 10 years.

725
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,080
I have no doubt that we need to raise rates and the utilities.

726
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:02,540
This is where it started right here. This is the notice that you sent to me.

727
01:05:02,820 --> 01:05:06,840
I'm a mathematician, and I was a CTO of a couple of public companies.

728
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,500
I'm a geek, and I'm pretty good at it itself.

729
01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:13,720
So the first thing I did was what's the going to do my rates, and how do I check it?

730
01:05:13,980 --> 01:05:18,600
I check it against what you guys published, and then I went through with my calculator and I

731
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:25,160
discovered that half the numbers on this page were wrong. And then I downloaded the 100 page report

732
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:32,200
and I read it very carefully. Demand is a function of a couple things. How much water do we use?

733
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:39,240
Well, I apologize. You guys are way far away to see this. Here's a graph that shows the water usage

734
01:05:39,500 --> 01:05:47,020
It shows 506 acre feet, 506 acre feet is 220,000 HCFs.

735
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:53,100
Throughout the report, they use 520,000 HCFs, how much water we use.

736
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:54,880
How much water are we using anyway?

737
01:05:55,500 --> 01:06:00,540
There's a whole bunch of instances where this information is completely incorrect, like

738
01:06:00,540 --> 01:06:02,300
the other factors, how many meters?

739
01:06:04,020 --> 01:06:10,820
Well, there's somewhere between, on one page, 5,999 water meters in the city, on another

740
01:06:10,820 --> 01:06:14,220
page, there's 4,796.

741
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:19,180
So somewhere between there, here's what I think happened.

742
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:24,520
These guys do a lot of these studies, that's my hunch, and that there's a cut-and-paste

743
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,720
thing going on here where they cut paste stuff.

744
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:32,720
How can you be off by more than a hundred percent in how much water we actually use?

745
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:39,420
And this and this one, which you really can't see, it shows the total of the non-residential

746
01:06:39,420 --> 01:06:46,100
meters, the total is 4,825. This is on page 24 of that hundred-page report.

747
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:54,220
The largest number on their 470, it's off by over 4,000. So here's what I recommend.

748
01:06:54,220 --> 01:06:59,020
I think you need to have some citizens and I volunteer.

749
01:06:59,580 --> 01:07:00,640
We'll through this report.

750
01:07:02,380 --> 01:07:06,420
Correct the inaccuracies and the inconsistencies and the report to make it correct.

751
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:08,440
You're basing.

752
01:07:09,220 --> 01:07:13,560
You're basing a significant change in my water race and as well.

753
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:18,800
Based on a report that is inconsistent.

754
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:25,600
that is inaccurate. And I think it's time to have a time out and go through this and

755
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:29,280
and correct it. Absolutely, we need to raise the rates. The capital agreement projects,

756
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:34,160
absolutely, I think that's very important for all of us. I'm a heels regress it into,

757
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:40,640
but I just think this report can't be the basis for changing all of these rates. Okay, thanks.

758
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:42,420
Thank you.

759
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:44,080
Anybody else?

760
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:51,990
Anyone else?

761
01:07:52,610 --> 01:07:53,410
Welcome, Talia?

762
01:07:58,460 --> 01:08:01,420
Thank you, Mayor Hayesley, and Council members.

763
01:08:01,780 --> 01:08:03,740
Talia Hart from the Hillsburg Chamber of Commerce.

764
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:08,080
We represent over 500 local businesses and thousands of employees.

765
01:08:08,780 --> 01:08:12,980
And the increase in these rattle rates will be significant cost to our local employers

766
01:08:12,980 --> 01:08:15,500
who are currently really struggling to pay bills,

767
01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:22,100
high lease rates and taxes, but as the chamber we do understand the need for infrastructure

768
01:08:22,100 --> 01:08:27,880
increases especially infrastructure that was built in 1910. It's just an unfortunate burden

769
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:33,500
to have a 21% plus increase just in the first year alone. So a couple of things we just wanted

770
01:08:33,500 --> 01:08:38,260
to point out economic impact, our business is really heavily on water such as restaurants,

771
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:44,960
manufacturing, agriculture and they'll have considerably higher operational costs. So I calculated

772
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:51,800
two businesses just based on their actual bills. And a smaller hotel would have about $10,000 in

773
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:57,440
increased just in the first year with water and sewer and then a smaller business, which is water

774
01:08:57,440 --> 01:09:04,160
based a coffee would have about $3,000 in the first year alone. So that inevitably will be passed on

775
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:09,480
to the customer. So we just want you to keep in that in mind, in terms of competitiveness,

776
01:09:09,480 --> 01:09:16,600
If a business in the city face hair costs for essential resources like this, water compared to elsewhere,

777
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:17,700
which we saw the charts.

778
01:09:17,860 --> 01:09:18,680
So thank you very much.

779
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:24,420
But Hillsburg could become at a disadvantage to other local cities and being mindful that our businesses

780
01:09:24,420 --> 01:09:30,640
are looking every day at where they have the biggest margins and where their operational costs can be.

781
01:09:31,060 --> 01:09:36,440
So just be mindful of our economic ecosystem and it's incredibly important for us for the future.

782
01:09:36,440 --> 01:09:40,180
and we get a lot of sales tax revenue off of our businesses.

783
01:09:40,380 --> 01:09:46,530
So we also can see the need to have versus the nice to have.

784
01:09:46,670 --> 01:09:54,190
So really looking at our infrastructure versus some of the one-off consulting costs on items that we use.

785
01:09:54,770 --> 01:09:56,690
And also increases that are more consistent.

786
01:09:57,770 --> 01:10:02,630
So, you know, over time we know this isn't probably anybody's problem that was sitting here,

787
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:09,630
but going off the CPI index increasing slowly over time versus 20 to 30 percent at a time.

788
01:10:09,870 --> 01:10:14,270
That's huge for these businesses. So faced implementation target is

789
01:10:14,270 --> 01:10:19,110
assistance for specific industries. I know I'm running out of time, but we'll just

790
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:24,130
let's look at emphasize the long term planning. We want to see a balanced approach as chamber

791
01:10:24,130 --> 01:10:28,630
of commerce as we take into account all the needs of businesses, the community and the

792
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:39,050
these financial sustainability will continue to work collaboratively with the council to find solutions to support our economic growth and ensure we have our responsible management resources.

793
01:10:39,610 --> 01:10:46,450
We hope that you'll consider what an impact this has on small businesses which are 85% of our town. So thank you.

794
01:10:46,750 --> 01:10:46,930
Thank

795
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,100
you.

796
01:10:51,100 --> 01:10:51,800
Welcome.

797
01:10:56,160 --> 01:11:01,500
Good evening council members. My name is Pomina Lopez. I am a resident of Hillsburg.

798
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:07,480
A local teacher and the co-chair of the executive board for North Fe, Josh Fe Justice.

799
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:13,440
A few minutes ago, I emailed you a case study, the study's a livable wage of farm workers.

800
01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:15,860
Please take your time to read it.

801
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:22,420
The water proposal for our city is quite outrageous considering that many of us in town are barely recovering

802
01:11:22,420 --> 01:11:29,520
from the negative financial impacts of the pandemic and continue to face the challenges of climate change.

803
01:11:29,860 --> 01:11:37,540
Based on the presented data, no one in the city to the opportunity to talk to residents about how this matter will impact families.

804
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,760
The city of Hillsburg has talked about equity before.

805
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:48,540
The information that was sent out about the water proposal hearing was not linked which accessible in the numbers for quite confusing.

806
01:11:48,540 --> 01:11:58,180
Just take a look at your room in here in the water rate study that was presented, it doesn't show how this will impact families.

807
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:09,160
Why is in this study taking a look at the financial data and families passing the water rates proposal will be a financial burden to farm workers who are at the front of our economy in Hillsburg.

808
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:16,300
We all know that wineries are the biggest water consumers and don't do right by farm workers. What is their fair share?

809
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:22,960
Farm workers are already feeling the burden of not having a just state by the industry as a economy

810
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:28,720
worsens. The water proposal rates will push farm workers out of the city. The rates are not

811
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:36,760
sustainable and are not equitable. $16.59. Sounds like a fair share. However, where farm workers don't

812
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:46,280
have a livable wage, that $16.59 is not sustainable at all. I am here to recommend that the

813
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:51,800
reach and research about the impact that the proposed water rates will have on farm worker families

814
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:57,260
to elderly and low-income families before deciding to take a boat. Thank you for your time.

815
01:12:57,880 --> 01:12:58,560
Thank you.

816
01:13:03,180 --> 01:13:03,820
Anyone else?

817
01:13:07,090 --> 01:13:07,350
Welcome.

818
01:13:10,460 --> 01:13:12,280
My name is Alice. You can't but I'm a

819
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:17,180
minute. Can you make sure that? Thank you. My name is Alice in

820
01:13:17,180 --> 01:13:23,000
and I live in the Hillsburg. No one wants to see these rates go up.

821
01:13:25,090 --> 01:13:27,550
But we really don't have a

822
01:13:27,550 --> 01:13:39,210
choice and timing is also precarious. If we start now, we may be able to meet our water demands

823
01:13:39,210 --> 01:13:48,030
when the Potter Valley project is called. Maybe not. I understand about the economic impact.

824
01:13:48,030 --> 01:13:54,510
I really do, but just think of what the economic impact would be if we didn't have any water.

825
01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:59,050
There wouldn't be any water, there wouldn't be a hotel.

826
01:14:01,070 --> 01:14:08,150
This problem has come before you without your desire, without your choice.

827
01:14:10,030 --> 01:14:12,270
But you really don't have any choice.

828
01:14:13,370 --> 01:14:15,610
We need these projects.

829
01:14:16,350 --> 01:14:21,990
I wish it would be different, you wish it would be different, but you've had the perception

830
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:27,870
and I hope to encourage to understand that we really don't have much choice.

831
01:14:29,150 --> 01:14:34,910
We may have to deal with the consequences in various ways that I don't understand, but I

832
01:14:34,910 --> 01:14:44,070
do understand that we have to go forward with these suggested infrastructure and changes.

833
01:14:45,170 --> 01:14:45,510
Thank you.

834
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:46,970
Thank you.

835
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:50,360
Welcome.

836
01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:59,560
Good evening Mayor. Council.

837
01:15:01,660 --> 01:15:27,240
I know you have a lot of thought into this, and I just want to say thank you. This is not an easy call. This is a really, really tough, big increases. It would have been a lot easier to have Kate the can done the road. But you didn't. You dug into it. You learn the details. You made the top decision. I don't want to thank you for it. This is what local government is about. Thank you.

838
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:31,000
Thank you. Anyone else?

839
01:15:33,820 --> 01:15:34,620
Retired welcome.

840
01:15:39,940 --> 01:15:41,460
Good evening council Richard Bird.

841
01:15:42,300 --> 01:15:46,720
I am curious and I don't know that it makes much difference to your decision this evening.

842
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:56,680
At what rate were you going to accumulate the $13 and $27 million on the projects that we saw on the chart?

843
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:10,960
I assume the rating increases have accommodated those two lists of projects, but it's difficult for me to understand exactly how will raise the money to accomplish the projects.

844
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:14,760
In a time window, which may actually be shrinking.

845
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:28,120
So I don't have a problem with the rate increases, it seems like it will get us some of what we need to accomplish what we saw in that list of open projects.

846
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:34,360
But I am curious how long it will take to accumulate the funds to accommodate those.

847
01:16:34,460 --> 01:16:37,760
And I can't imagine that it all comes from revenue.

848
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:45,900
Some of it is going to have to come from another source and I'm curious what that might be bonds or grants or gifts

849
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:51,440
Just a curiosity. Thank you. Thank you

850
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:52,440
Anyone else

851
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:58,600
once

852
01:17:00,710 --> 01:17:01,750
Nobody

853
01:17:02,930 --> 01:17:04,210
All right

854
01:17:05,810 --> 01:17:11,670
All right, so Richard was the last speaker for the public hearing on water and sewer rates

855
01:17:11,670 --> 01:17:15,930
uh the public hearing is now closed. Thank you for your participation.

856
01:17:16,290 --> 01:17:20,310
City Clerk can you tell me if there is a majority protest against the proposed rates?

857
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:25,710
Mayor Hagley, there is not. We received 187 total.

858
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:30,250
Let's see.

859
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:33,080
Thank you.

860
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:37,680
Now's the time for a council discussion. So who would like to kick this one off?

861
01:17:39,700 --> 01:17:55,700
I just want to say that it's my opinion that even though these rates are, you know, going to be significantly painful to a lot of people that

862
01:17:55,700 --> 01:18:14,520
These increases are well thought out and that if we weren't making this action now, I'm convinced that the pain that our residents would bear supporting our utilities, our water services would just get worse.

863
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:26,560
And so it's to not turn this corner now, I think, really would be devastatingly unfair burn on the

864
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:37,180
future. And so for that reason, I supported it. So real quick, there were, sorry, thank you for the

865
01:18:37,180 --> 01:18:44,360
comments, but there were a couple of questions from the public and I'd like to turn to our

866
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:51,300
consultants and to direct the Crowley to answer some of those. One was regarding some of the numbers

867
01:18:51,300 --> 01:18:56,280
needed the hookups and then the other one was from Richard about the $13 million in the funding.

868
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:03,320
So, starting with the numbers, I'd have to go through the report and look at what was specifically

869
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:07,420
there. I mean, I know that over the past six months we've gone through the report,

870
01:19:07,900 --> 01:19:13,220
look at the numbers, double check the numbers. So I'd have to look at those specific numbers

871
01:19:13,220 --> 01:19:17,560
see how they had up in the actual model itself with the consultants to see if there's

872
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:22,820
some substantial error in there. Um, thank you.

873
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:34,400
So, um, and we can do that. We will do that. I can't do that tonight, though.

874
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:40,960
So we can go through that and look at it. Certainly we have concerns about the rates

875
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:48,260
and how that affects all families and healersburg as well as all businesses and healersburg.

876
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:54,980
There's a concern there, but again, there's the downside, too, as I what was the economic impact of the drought.

877
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:58,880
To the city, what was that?

878
01:19:59,060 --> 01:20:03,700
Face of healersburg running out of water, what did that do to our economics here?

879
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,660
What did that do to the homes and the landscapes?

880
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:11,840
What did it do to the vegetation in our city and I think that's something we also have to weigh against there.

881
01:20:13,060 --> 01:20:16,720
And find that balance point between how do we develop a secure water supply,

882
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:22,820
but also try and find affordable rates or balance that with affordable rates.

883
01:20:23,820 --> 01:20:25,300
To Richard's question,

884
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:26,880
it's the intent to fund.

885
01:20:29,930 --> 01:20:30,450
After

886
01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:41,000
reserve, that's a small portion of it, but then also it's the rate increases over the three year period.

887
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:48,100
and I'm not sure if Kevin, if you want to speak to that a little bit more or director, Edgar, as well.

888
01:20:51,970 --> 01:20:57,110
I think you identified it well. We are using portions of the capital reserve policy that is now the

889
01:20:57,110 --> 01:21:04,590
great stabilization reserve to buy those down. It is the 13 million is about roughly six million in

890
01:21:04,590 --> 01:21:10,170
water and about seven million in sewer. So it is about half and half. Over the first two years,

891
01:21:10,170 --> 01:21:16,790
We are definitely ramping up with the projects picking up as we accumulate more revenue in the third year.

892
01:21:17,230 --> 01:21:25,750
So you will see it next week with the budget presentation, which projects are proposed to be funded in the first two years of the cycle.

893
01:21:26,350 --> 01:21:29,190
But it is going to take time to accumulate all those funds.

894
01:21:30,150 --> 01:21:33,230
And maybe I can just add a couple of points here.

895
01:21:33,890 --> 01:21:35,890
So again, when we conduct the rate study,

896
01:21:36,190 --> 01:21:37,890
we're talking about a three-year rate proposal,

897
01:21:38,090 --> 01:21:40,190
but we do look out over a 10-year planning horizon.

898
01:21:40,830 --> 01:21:43,110
So we're looking at a long-term capital program,

899
01:21:43,310 --> 01:21:45,910
we're looking at long-term projections on revenues

900
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:47,090
and operating expenses.

901
01:21:47,230 --> 01:21:49,130
And so that's, you know, we're building

902
01:21:49,130 --> 01:21:52,050
towards that future and the future cash needs.

903
01:21:52,850 --> 01:21:55,350
To the question on meter connections,

904
01:21:55,350 --> 01:22:03,130
We use different sub totals within the report based on whether it's the current rate structure,

905
01:22:03,310 --> 01:22:09,510
which we utilize in our financial planning, portion of the report, or the proposed rate structure,

906
01:22:09,650 --> 01:22:14,250
which we're modifying on the water side of the house in the rate section of the report.

907
01:22:14,690 --> 01:22:20,110
It's always possible there's a typo in there, but I stand behind our work and we reviewed it internally.

908
01:22:20,770 --> 01:22:25,330
Staff reviewed it, legal counsel reviewed it, and again, I stand behind it.

909
01:22:28,210 --> 01:22:30,950
Thank you.

910
01:22:31,190 --> 01:22:31,770
All right.

911
01:22:31,970 --> 01:22:32,630
Councilmember Edwards.

912
01:22:32,990 --> 01:22:39,130
I think that throughout this whole process, I had questions about what if we have lower use.

913
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:43,430
And it came back that that would be something that the council would be monitoring.

914
01:22:44,090 --> 01:22:46,150
It's not like we're putting these fees out there.

915
01:22:46,270 --> 01:22:48,610
We're just going to say, ah, let it go.

916
01:22:48,650 --> 01:22:50,650
I think we're going to be monitoring this closely.

917
01:22:50,770 --> 01:22:54,370
And I think that when we're talking about the numbers, they're all over the place.

918
01:22:54,370 --> 01:22:59,610
I mean, what the city sent out in the mail or what I had my bill analyzed at what I'm seeing

919
01:22:59,610 --> 01:23:05,830
people talk about is from $16 a month to $1,000 a year on it.

920
01:23:05,890 --> 01:23:11,850
And for me, I ran right around $700, $600 a year of an increase in looking at my bill.

921
01:23:12,370 --> 01:23:15,390
And so I think that we will be looking at this going forward.

922
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:22,600
And what I'd like to know, and I think that we don't need a proposition to lower rates if we

923
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:24,820
find that we've just overshot this one.

924
01:23:24,940 --> 01:23:28,820
I think the Prop 2 to 18, we're only here because to increase rates,

925
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:30,320
we need to have these public hearings.

926
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,820
But if we found that we have really overshot this and done it,

927
01:23:33,860 --> 01:23:35,240
we can adjust that as a council.

928
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,620
I believe that that would be what our job is to do.

929
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:43,900
So I know that we are going to be every time utilities come up.

930
01:23:43,900 --> 01:23:45,540
I know I'm going to be looking at it closely.

931
01:23:45,660 --> 01:23:47,660
I know citizens will be looking at it closely.

932
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,200
And we'll work at this as a team.

933
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:50,660
We need to get through this together.

934
01:23:50,660 --> 01:23:57,920
And I think that this is the first stage of accepting the reality of where we're at and then we need to monitor it going forward.

935
01:23:59,820 --> 01:24:00,320
Thank you.

936
01:24:00,620 --> 01:24:01,060
Councilmember Kelly.

937
01:24:04,380 --> 01:24:04,820
Thank you.

938
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:20,840
I think one of the questions brought up a reminder me that I think one of the things that we had suggested when bringing this rate process back was to look at a tiered structure that we could really focus in on

939
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:33,020
Those who were using water, making sure similar to how we have tiered electrical rates that we can ensure that those who are using more paying their fair share.

940
01:24:33,700 --> 01:24:49,040
And looking at the economic disparity within those within our community and especially for what we know, which is multi family households like apartments and condos are using much less water, then single family homes.

941
01:24:49,040 --> 01:25:00,980
And so making sure that we're not charging our low-income residents for water that they're not using and in fact charging residents who are using the water to use it and that people we more mindful of their water use.

942
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:10,040
I think also in knowing the time horizon of the Potter Valley project and the decommissioning by PG&E it has set in motion.

943
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:19,160
some what of a time-sensitive nature of what we need to be doing to ensure the resiliency

944
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:25,040
of our community and not kind of waiting to see what happens because as we know a lot of these

945
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:30,840
infrastructure projects take a considerable amount of time for us to shift to a more reliable

946
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:37,300
water source. And so I think obviously there's never a good time to raise rates and I think that this

947
01:25:37,300 --> 01:25:47,800
is pretty drastic with no doubt, but I also know that in looking at how much we've spent on

948
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:53,260
the emergency needs of the department when things do fail and actually the cost that it

949
01:25:53,260 --> 01:25:57,800
takes to repair those things in that moment when we have these failures which are becoming

950
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:03,120
more and more routine given the age of our infrastructure, especially compared to other cities.

951
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,600
right. We're one of the older cities in Sonoma County. We have some of the oldest infrastructure.

952
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:13,120
We're spending more repairing these emergency needs when we know that they're going to fail

953
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:20,340
just given the normal age of needing to replace them. And so I think obviously where we're at now

954
01:26:20,340 --> 01:26:24,720
with the cost of doing some of this work, it would have been a lot cheaper to do that work 10 years ago.

955
01:26:25,060 --> 01:26:31,220
But in a lot of instances, the can was kicked down the road. And so I don't want to repeat those mistakes.

956
01:26:31,220 --> 01:26:36,800
and I think we can't give in what we're going to see with the upper Russian river because of

957
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:45,220
factors outside of our own control. And so, while I think that the study and what it's yielded

958
01:26:45,220 --> 01:26:50,940
in terms of where we're at and looking at the rating increases, it will be dramatic, but I think

959
01:26:50,940 --> 01:26:57,480
it's required because otherwise we're going to be in a much worse situation in the coming years.

960
01:26:57,480 --> 01:27:03,120
And to Councilmember Harris point, I think that we've been very thoughtful about how to

961
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:10,700
we ensure that there's economic equity in this process and also that we have additional support

962
01:27:10,700 --> 01:27:16,000
for our economically disadvantaged community for people on fixed income for our low-income

963
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:24,260
residents so that they have more opportunity to have lower rates if they are economically disadvantaged.

964
01:27:24,260 --> 01:27:37,080
So I'm comfortable with moving forward with the proposed rates, but it is not without clearly acknowledging that this is going to be very difficult for a lot of folks.

965
01:27:38,970 --> 01:27:39,430
What's mayor?

966
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:43,390
Yeah, thank you all so I think that's certainly true.

967
01:27:43,730 --> 01:27:45,450
Yeah, we've received a lot of emails.

968
01:27:46,110 --> 01:27:49,210
I'm surprised we don't actually have more people here for public comment.

969
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:53,330
But, and we've, I know I've read every email.

970
01:27:53,950 --> 01:27:57,270
I take this very seriously and I'll rest the council on us too.

971
01:27:57,430 --> 01:28:01,670
This isn't as, as one of our speakers said, we didn't sign up for this.

972
01:28:01,770 --> 01:28:05,470
We didn't really want to have to make this kind of decision, but here we are.

973
01:28:06,350 --> 01:28:11,690
I want to thank the staff for everything they've done in their clarity of thought

974
01:28:11,690 --> 01:28:13,790
and prioritizing all of these projects.

975
01:28:13,830 --> 01:28:17,830
I think it's really critical that the knowledge that they have and understanding

976
01:28:17,830 --> 01:28:25,130
what we need to do is really important to the whole process and I'd also like to thank the consultants

977
01:28:25,130 --> 01:28:31,170
for their professionalism and their good work. I think that that really helps get us through this.

978
01:28:32,530 --> 01:28:38,850
So, but we're at a crossroads, right? We've got combined with combined aging infrastructure,

979
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:45,630
with reduced revenues. We have a water security issue that we definitely need to. We've talked a lot

980
01:28:45,630 --> 01:28:51,670
about the Potter Valley project, I had not even really heard about the Potter Valley until a few

981
01:28:51,670 --> 01:28:58,410
years ago, when I was on the Russian river watershed association, and it scared the heck

982
01:28:58,410 --> 01:29:04,070
out of me when I realized what they were talking about. So, you know, with our water insecurity

983
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:15,610
for that, and then last year when we, or two years ago during the drought, when we, all our water

984
01:29:15,610 --> 01:29:19,590
things are really critical for us to make the right choices.

985
01:29:21,630 --> 01:29:24,950
And we have to pay for that. And so I am

986
01:29:26,230 --> 01:29:30,890
pleased that we're able to really kind of get to this point and take these steps and I feel confident that

987
01:29:32,690 --> 01:29:37,810
that is the right decision. So I also would, it's the big picture we're looking at the future.

988
01:29:37,910 --> 01:29:42,830
This is one of those moments on council where you're really looking to the future. We're not yesterday

989
01:29:42,830 --> 01:29:50,670
tomorrow. It's the future. And so we have to take all that into account when we're making these decisions. So

990
01:29:50,670 --> 01:29:59,160
I support the rated option as well. Thank you. First, I want to thank all the members of the

991
01:29:59,160 --> 01:29:59,760
I'd like that.

992
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,980
Took the time to come here for this meeting, every single one of the protest votes in a weird way. I appreciate that you took the time to do that because this is a big deal. And I appreciate when people take the time to share their feedback, whether it's email or protest votes or Paul was it Paul sharing the comments and the notes on the on our on this staff report and the

993
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:32,120
consultants report that we got,

994
01:30:35,020 --> 01:30:41,180
this is not an easy thing to do, but it is the right thing

995
01:30:41,180 --> 01:30:48,020
to do. This is something that we looked at when we're looking at budgets, it's not just

996
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:54,380
off-hand pole numbers out of thin air, kind of thing. This is something that we really looked at

997
01:30:54,380 --> 01:30:59,100
and I really appreciate staff being able to come back with a tiered system. That was important,

998
01:30:59,100 --> 01:31:04,620
especially going through the drought and everything we had to, you know, we as a community had to

999
01:31:04,620 --> 01:31:06,560
sacrifice during that time.

1000
01:31:07,420 --> 01:31:12,940
And I think it really taught a lot of people what, you know, how much water and fortunately

1001
01:31:12,940 --> 01:31:20,260
too well, because the consumption went down, which is how, you know, everything that we're looking

1002
01:31:20,260 --> 01:31:26,140
to fund is paid for by the rates that the consumers are paying.

1003
01:31:26,140 --> 01:31:37,920
So, with that, I absolutely want to acknowledge the pain that people are feeling or are going to feel on this,

1004
01:31:38,460 --> 01:31:46,980
we're going to have the same thing, but it is the right decision to make when I look at how we're ramping up our capital improvement projects.

1005
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:53,780
What we're prioritizing based on regulations and also the long-term security and clarity of our water.

1006
01:31:53,780 --> 01:32:02,660
That is kind of what we are here for to make those long-term decisions that are hopefully going to minimize increases down the road.

1007
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:06,520
If we decided to, all right, we're not going to do any of these capital improvements.

1008
01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:10,180
Instead of $16, it's $14.

1009
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:12,340
I wouldn't feel right about that.

1010
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:21,680
This was a very intentional analysis that we did in the discussion that we had in previous public meetings about what to prioritize.

1011
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:25,700
And I appreciate staff hearing our recommendations.

1012
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:32,700
And so as painful as it is to raise all of our rates at this point,

1013
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:35,640
I would entertain a motion.

1014
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:42,640
I moved introduced for first reading by title only,

1015
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:45,720
waiting for the reading of the text and ordinance determining

1016
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:47,860
that there was no majority protest.

1017
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:51,120
The proposed water and wastewater service rates,

1018
01:32:51,120 --> 01:33:01,600
approving updated water and wastewater service rates and superseding portions of the existing rates established by resolution 96 to 022.

1019
01:33:02,700 --> 01:33:02,720
Second.

1020
01:33:03,660 --> 01:33:04,240
All right, Reina.

1021
01:33:04,380 --> 01:33:06,000
We have a motion in a second.

1022
01:33:06,340 --> 01:33:06,980
Roll call please.

1023
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:08,040
Councilmember Edwards.

1024
01:33:08,420 --> 01:33:08,540
Yes.

1025
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:09,800
Councilmember Heron.

1026
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:10,440
Yes.

1027
01:33:10,440 --> 01:33:11,180
Councilmember Kelly.

1028
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:11,980
Yes.

1029
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:13,000
Nice Mayor Mitchell.

1030
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:13,700
Yes.

1031
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:13,900
Yes.

1032
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:17,160
All right.

1033
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:20,240
Well, thank you again to everybody.

1034
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:28,700
uh that came down here and share your feedback. Next up we'll move on to Hillsburg item 7b,

1035
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:35,420
which is Hillsburg Municipal Code title 20 Land Use Code amendments. With senior planner,

1036
01:33:35,780 --> 01:33:37,520
Ellen McDowell. Welcome.

1037
01:33:42,620 --> 01:33:46,700
Thank you. Good evening Mayor Hagueley and council members. I'm Ellen McDowell

1038
01:33:46,700 --> 01:33:52,380
with the planning division. Tonight we'll be reviewing various Land Use Code amendments. Next slide,

1039
01:33:52,380 --> 01:33:58,100
please. The purpose of these land use code amendments before you tonight is to

1040
01:34:03,020 --> 01:34:07,960
bicycle parking permitted and conditionally permitted uses in the mixed use zoning

1041
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:15,340
design water efficient landscaping maximum FAR and site coverage handicap parking

1042
01:34:15,340 --> 01:34:19,240
and the definition section. Next slide, please.

1043
01:34:21,910 --> 01:34:23,450
First step tonight is the downtown

1044
01:34:23,450 --> 01:34:29,190
directional wayfaring sign section and this has been revised to further clarify that location

1045
01:34:29,190 --> 01:34:34,590
locations and to broaden the sign requirements for downtown directional signage.

1046
01:34:35,350 --> 01:34:40,310
The intent of the downtown directional sign program is to provide for visitor awareness

1047
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:46,210
of downtown businesses and points of interest and to provide general direction to their locations.

1048
01:34:46,210 --> 01:34:55,850
In 2023, the City Council adopted Resolution 29-2023 adopting temporary exceptions allowing

1049
01:34:55,850 --> 01:35:01,250
sign-placts for businesses in an effort to diversify the types of businesses eligible

1050
01:35:01,250 --> 01:35:02,270
for participation.

1051
01:35:03,710 --> 01:35:09,390
The temporary exceptions allow signs for businesses facing the plaza businesses that were

1052
01:35:09,390 --> 01:35:15,090
not open on weekends and businesses that did not have a primary focus for visitors.

1053
01:35:15,090 --> 01:35:21,470
These temporary changes have been incorporated as permanent changes in this proposed organs.

1054
01:35:22,910 --> 01:35:23,550
Next slide, please.

1055
01:35:28,010 --> 01:35:29,850
For bicycle parking this evening,

1056
01:35:30,170 --> 01:35:33,310
proposed changes to this section include more guidance

1057
01:35:33,310 --> 01:35:38,070
and to expand on the current bike parking requirements for new developments.

1058
01:35:39,510 --> 01:35:42,710
The changes remove the city's current regulations.

1059
01:35:42,710 --> 01:35:48,410
that require bike parking for only commercial or industrial projects of over 5,000

1060
01:35:48,410 --> 01:35:52,050
square feet and for multi-family projects of 10 or more units.

1061
01:35:53,730 --> 01:35:58,930
The proposed amendments would specify that 20% of the number of required number of

1062
01:35:58,930 --> 01:36:04,890
automobile spaces, a combination of covered and uncovered bicycle parking spaces, for

1063
01:36:04,890 --> 01:36:10,430
multi-family, mixed use, commercial and industrial developments, and would also specify

1064
01:36:10,430 --> 01:36:16,130
the type of bicycle parking and the quality of bike racks. Next slide, please.

1065
01:36:20,670 --> 01:36:21,410
This section

1066
01:36:21,410 --> 01:36:27,290
has been invented to allow fitness centers as a permitted use in the mixed use zoning designation,

1067
01:36:28,170 --> 01:36:33,510
allowing fitness centers in close proximity to residential uses promotes overall health and wellness.

1068
01:36:34,170 --> 01:36:38,530
Currently the land use code only allows fitness centers within the industrial zoning designation.

1069
01:36:38,530 --> 01:36:49,250
By limiting the overall square footage to 5,000 square feet, fitness centers will be more in line with other commercial spaces that are typically found in mixed use areas.

1070
01:36:50,150 --> 01:36:56,330
Typically small scale facilities can be found in mixed use locations and are considered a neighborhood serving use.

1071
01:36:56,870 --> 01:37:08,290
As part of this amendment, there is a change to the fitness center definition that would include clarifying language and just clarify that fitness centers in mixed use are limited to a maximum of 5,000 square feet.

1072
01:37:12,480 --> 01:37:39,480
The water efficient landscaping section has been amended to reflect current state legislation regarding water efficient landscaping changes to this section include language from state law requiring greater minimum of greater minimum efficiency for drip and overhead irrigation a definition for very low water use reducing the overall allowable area for turf as well as expanding the irrigation design requirements.

1073
01:37:40,620 --> 01:37:42,020
Next slide, please.

1074
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:49,640
The proposed amendment to maximum floor area ratio and site coverage is to correct a type of graphical error.

1075
01:37:50,140 --> 01:37:55,360
The 2030 general plan allows for a maximum FAR for non-residential uses at 80%.

1076
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:58,520
And the land use code allows 50%.

1077
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:02,460
This amendment will update the land use code to be in line with the general plan.

1078
01:38:04,480 --> 01:38:05,440
Next slide, please.

1079
01:38:07,170 --> 01:38:19,110
The handicap parking section has been amended to remove the term handicap and to replace it with a term accessible to include more inclusive language and to align with the California building code.

1080
01:38:20,230 --> 01:38:20,990
Next slide, please.

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01:38:23,030 --> 01:38:30,170
On April 9, 2024, the Planning Commission held a public hearing and adopted a resolution recommending that the city council,

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adoption ordinance amending heels for municipal code title 20.

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The planning commission recommended that the city council consider increasing the percentage of required bicycle parking from 10% of the required number of vehicles.

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To 20% of the required abbreviable parking spaces for multi family mixed use commercial and industrial developments.

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Unless otherwise approved by the planning director.

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Next slide, please.

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The recommended action this evening is to introduce for first reading by title only,

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baving further reading of the text, and ordinance amending healed burdened municipal code titles,

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20, land use code, and find the ordinance amendments are exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act.

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Next slide, please.

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And this concludes my presentation this evening, and I'm here for any questions.

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Thank you. Any questions?

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All right, Councilman Redwards, on the recommended increase for the bicycle parking, that would be like on sidewalks. That's not taking away from parking spaces from vehicle parking spaces. It would not. Okay. Thank you.

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All right, I'll open it up for public comment. Anybody for public comment on this item.

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Anybody.

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All right, I'll close public comment and bring it back to council.

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for discussion or motion.

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I moved to introduce for first reading by title only,

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waving further reading the text in ordinance,

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Mending Hillsburg Municipal Code,

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title 20, Land Use Code,

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and find the ordinance amendments

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are exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act.

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Second.

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All right, we have a motion of second.

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Will call please.

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Council member Edwards.

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Yes.

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Council member Herod.

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Council member Kelly.

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Yes.

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Vice Mayor Mitchell.

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Yes, Mayor Higley.

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Yes. Thank you. And before we move on, I just want to do thank you City Manager for

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constantly getting these little tweaks and fixes. It's something that I do appreciate and I

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notice little corrections and fixings of past things so I appreciate that effort.

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Okay, bye just quickly say that we're happy to bring it to you, but it's really our

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on the front lines of identifying things every day that

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good.

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I appreciate it.

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All right.

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Next up is item 8A,

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growth management ordinance,

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ballot measure discussion.

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On that topic of cleaning up past things.

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Okay.

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I'm going to kick this off.

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I think we'll be a team effort on the staff level.

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So with me, our assistant city manager Andrew Sternfell's.

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Director Steven Sotomayor Community Development Director Scott Diven, Scott will take part of this presentation with some of the specific policy options, and we will.

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I'll be here to engage with what I expect will be a lively discussion on this topic.

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Just to set the stage a little bit, this is as the council knows, but for the benefit of the community.

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The latest in what has been a 90 series of conversations this year regarding potential amendments to the city's growth management ordinance.

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And we'll talk about the history a little bit, but just a very basic and quick reminder that ordinance was passed in the year 2000.

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And we're strict in the simplest form, it is so much more complicated than this, but it restricts market rate housing development to 30 units per year for the most part.

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housing, of course, is a huge policy consideration for the city council and the GMO has been amended as I'll show you a little later from time to time to keep up with changing times.

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So we think the spits into a lot of what you're doing. We also recognize that it is painfully complicated and really frankly unfair to expect all of the general public to keep up with all the nuances on this. So we are committed as we continue this conversation to.

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and moving toward outreach, which will be informative and educational in nature, because we

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think we owe that to the community and we recognize not everybody's. I'm going to engage with

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us on these conversations. Plenty of people are, though, and we've just received a whole lot of good

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feedback from the community. So I think you'll see that reflected as well. Next slide, please. Just very

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quickly what we'll try to walk through. This is, as I just said, a very complicated topic. I think

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I hope you will actually be a fairly short presentation, though. We want to give you a sense of where

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we are, catch you up to speed on where we are and give you our latest thinking about some

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policy options that could be considered by the voters in November for amendment to the

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GMO and really give the council and the public and the chance to provide information back

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to staff.

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I do want to talk about some of the pointing efforts.

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You'll see in long list in a minute we won't delve into it all but I think the point that

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will make is that there's a lot of pointing efforts that have led us to where we are.

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In my time here, this comes up over and over again as a policy factor that needs to be looked at when we look at the affordability and availability of housing. So we just wanted to make sure we document it that.

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We'll try to both quantify the need of housing. What housing do we need at what income levels and what are we trying to accomplish. We heard some some fair feedback when we were talking specifically about polling results a couple of months back.

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We pulled the community, we presented those results and in the aftermath of that conversation, we heard, well, you haven't defined what is you trying to solve for, and I think we have to find that, but I don't think we've done enough to articulate that. So we won't go deep into details, but wanted to take just a minute to spend some time on defining, at least from staff's perspective, what is it that we're trying to accomplish here.

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And then Scott will walk you through the three options for

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amending the GMO that we pulled on.

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That should be familiar very much at this point to the council.

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We'll wrap up looking for council direction.

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You do not have a vote this evening.

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You do not have any kind of an irrevocable point of no return.

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We really would like your feedback though.

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We'll show you the dates.

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But you already, I think, know this one.

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We are targeting if the council wishes to put something on the ballot.

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November the last meeting in June, June 17th.

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There is work to do to get that together. So I'm well, I don't want to put you on

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On the spot, unnecessarily, and we recognize the complexity, the more we do know about what the council's preferences are. This evening, the more we can continue to come back in the next couple of discussions with fine tuned and ever improved options and work products did do the work that needs to happen to get something on the ballot. Next slide, please.

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So as I mentioned, we look at planning efforts.

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This is a partial list.

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That staff came up with a planning document.

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So that we think we have a lot of us here.

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This is not everything,

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but some that we thought were key.

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The Central Healsburg Avenue plan.

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Set a vision for a transitory.

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It did Central Healsburg area and repositioning

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some of the rail yards and surrounding neighborhoods.

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Still work to do in getting housing there.

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You're all familiar with the SDAT, the design assessment team, which focus very much on housing.

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A couple of other things I would note here, I won't walk through all of them.

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The city council has a five-year strategic plan that mentions housing and multiple places

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and notes looking at options to amend and address the GMO. So we're at the latter end of that

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window of planning, but better late to never, and we think we're very much there right now.

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And a couple of things that probably don't look like housing plans to most folks

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As the council well knows, we completed last year a diversity equity and inclusion plan.

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I knew housing would be a part of that. I had no idea how much housing would be a driving factor in those conversations we had with the community.

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We heard over and over again in very emotional and visceral terms that housing is an equity issue from much of our community.

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Likewise, a climate strategy, not a housing strategy, and we heard a lot about how we live and where we live and how that figures in, how we travel, how we get to work, how we impact the environment.

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So much of what you see here is about housing, appropriately, we just did a housing element, it articulated the need which I'll get to.

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But this is something that really

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pervades every part of what we do as an organization.

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And so we keep popping up.

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When we talk about climate, we talk about housing.

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When we talk about equity, we talk about housing.

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Next slide, please.

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So here is just a couple of slides.

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You have all seen a lot of the detail.

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We completed recently a housing needs assessment,

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which really broke down who's here, what is our resident space,

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what is our workforce,

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what are their incomes, what can they afford, where are we short?

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This is just one way to look at it.

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But we think it's helpful to try to put forth,

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but what is the need that we're trying to solve for?

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And the different groupings of bars you can see here are different targets.

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What percentage of our workforce,

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the people who already work in Hillsburg,

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would we like to be able to live in Hillsburg?

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Would we like them actually living here?

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We are currently sitting at the left end of that bar,

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15% of the people who work here also live here.

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That's obviously pretty low. That's also not very surprising.

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We as the city are an employer.

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I don't know it's the top of my head what our percentage is, but it's probably a little better than that, but not much.

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The vast majority of our workforce cannot afford to live here.

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That's not a good thing. Obviously, we'd like our public employees and so many other people in our workforce

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to be able to live close to where they work,

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to be invested in the community, to be involved in schools and activities.

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So just as one employer, but I think for the whole workforce,

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we'd like to do better.

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30% is a target number that came up a lot in the housing element

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and the subsequent work.

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It's not the only goal.

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I don't think it's the most ambitious goal.

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But if 30% of our workforce were to live in Hieldsburg,

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This is the calculation from that work of how many units we need over the next eight years, which is our housing element plan.

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At the low end, below 80% of area and median income, which is to say people making less than average homes, that depends that amount depends on how many people in the household.

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560 units, higher than that, at the moderate income and market rating terms, we're talking

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about about 333 units. You can see, I don't have the exact number, but you can see that

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equates to, I think about, when we do the math for real quick, 42 units per year, at those two

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level. So not enormous amounts of housing, but absolutely above what we're allowed to build in our GMO.

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So absentee market forces, if that's a goal, it won't happen under our current policy structure.

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So this is one way to look at there of lots of ways to look at this, but this is one way to

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look at the need that we're trying to meet. Next slide, please.

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Here's a few ways to think about how we're

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doing on those two pieces. You saw that the larger need was for low income housing. The good news is

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We know this, we're doing a lot to meet that need.

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You can see just a quick summary here in the last five years.

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We've cost the development of 100 affordable units.

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We've acquired and rehabilitated 39 extended affordability on 133.

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Both of those were in large part the result of the scattered site project that we just celebrated

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the completion of.

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307 affordable units in the pipeline.

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We've got a couple of sizable projects.

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They are making progress.

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We're going to get those done.

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slow, but we will get them done. That's not the entirety of our need, but as we know, we have ways to get

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that lowering, come low and very low income housing. By contrast, it's a lesser need, but still

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a need in a growing one, since the GMO passed 24 years ago, we've had zero multi-family rental projects

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of more than five units. So we've had essentially no market rate rental housing constructed.

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You've heard that before, but we'll keep saying that I think that's really one of the best articulations of how do we find ourselves with what we call this missing middle need.

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More recently, measure P was passed in 2018 to amend the growth management ordinance.

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You can see here the ballot question. We'll see this again in a second.

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It allowed additional allocations for middle income housing.

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unfortunately it's resulted in zero. No units at all at this point. So there are

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some really well-intentioned efforts to get some of that middle income housing

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constructed, but unfortunately not a lot born from it so far. Next slide please.

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This is the history of ballot initiatives for the GMO, not expecting everybody to

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read all of these questions right now. We just wanted to have the actual text of

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ballot question that was put before the voters in each case. And the results, measure M was the GMO itself passed in 2000.

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Measure R was an attempt to relax and modify the amount of new housing that could be constructed. There was quite a bit of different components into that measure.

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In 2016, as you can see, did not pass, and then more recently, I just mentioned measure P in 2018, which allowed additional middle income housing, and then measure H, which allowed modified measure P to allow both rental and ownership housing, both passed.

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There's a lot that could be said, and we won't try to recap all of the history right now.

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I think one takeaway here is there is a precedent for modifications to the growth management

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ordinance passing.

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The voters in the community have been supportive of that, but it's not a slam dunk.

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That's not a surprise.

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I know that's not a very insightful comment, but I think it's worth remembering.

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To community has been supportive of common sense modifications, but not in a way that we could

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take it for granted. There has to be a lot of work and a thought pull approach. Next slide, please.

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So with all of that said, I just wanted to wrap this section by just trying to write down from

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really from staff's perspective, what we think is a simple articulation of what we're trying to

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accomplish here. We could have we had in long list of bullet points and thoughts. This is complicated,

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but really wanted to try to would have it down to what we think is critical here. And what we're

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trying to do is create a pathway for construction of multi-family housing projects that are affordable

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to middle income households provide 20% units for low income. The council knows that we have an

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inclusionary housing policy that anything built above those income levels, the missing middle

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and market rate housing has to provide 20% of those units. One out of five needs to be affordable

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to generally low and very low income households, we want to increase the percentage of our workforce

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that lives here. I said it's at 15, 30 is a number that's been handy about quite a bit.

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Create non-hospitality options for revitalizing under-utilized properties. We have seen repeatedly

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that there's not an easy pathway to convert some under-utilized properties to housing. And what we

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knows, but we understand there's a desire for the community to see development that meets local

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needs and what we see this effort as is one way to start making that happen. And then largely

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to accommodate, as we've always tried to do, diverse income levels in a balanced community.

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We've done, well, at the low income, we've done well for hiring income, we're continuing

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trying to find ways to fit that missing middle, which is a pervasive need. And you can see one

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quote here I won't read it but this actually came out of our DEI plan and was a quote from

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01:54:49,700 --> 01:54:54,480
a participant just a reminder that we have this this is a lot of numbers and a lot of

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01:54:54,480 --> 01:55:00,380
policy talk but it really boils down to families and trying to make it so they can live

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01:55:00,380 --> 01:55:04,080
in heelsburg and stay in heelsburg. Next slide please.

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I'll turn it over at this point to Scott who will walk you through just a reminder of three options

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01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:15,160
we're considering, we're actually recommending it to bring it down to two options and then start

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01:55:15,160 --> 01:55:19,020
figuring out which of those makes sense, but he'll walk you through those three alternatives.

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01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:24,040
Thank you, City Manager Kay. Good evening. Mayor and council members.

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01:55:26,820 --> 01:55:31,840
City Manager Kay noted we have three different options that are before this this evening.

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This is a result of a lot of conversations that we've had with the community with different stakeholders

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01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:43,600
as well as amongst staff. There's a recognition that a whole scale removal of the GMO probably wouldn't

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01:55:43,600 --> 01:55:49,160
be something that would pass within this community, so we tried to take a more tactical approach

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01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:56,800
to making amendments to the GMO that may lead to additional housing here in Hilsburg.

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01:55:57,480 --> 01:56:04,440
So the first one is the idea of exempting specific two graphic areas. In particular, those are areas

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01:56:04,440 --> 01:56:06,540
that are along the Hillsburg Avenue corridor,

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01:56:07,220 --> 01:56:09,960
recognizing that those are areas that have opportunities

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01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:10,920
for development.

1304
01:56:11,220 --> 01:56:13,940
There's taken underutilized land there.

1305
01:56:14,460 --> 01:56:17,380
I'll get into some more of the pros and cons of that.

1306
01:56:17,560 --> 01:56:19,300
As I go further into my presentation.

1307
01:56:20,180 --> 01:56:22,980
The second was to look at eliminating the income restriction

1308
01:56:22,980 --> 01:56:25,520
on measure P multi-family rental units.

1309
01:56:25,940 --> 01:56:29,260
This comes from feedback that we've gotten from developers

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01:56:31,100 --> 01:56:37,000
challenges that these measure P, D restricted units that require that those units only be

1311
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:43,740
rented to those making between 160% of area meeting income are very difficult to bring

1312
01:56:43,740 --> 01:56:48,300
to the market. The reality is that those rents would be close to what market rate rents are

1313
01:56:48,300 --> 01:56:52,860
anyways. So it's very challenging to get tenants that would be interested in those units.

1314
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:59,140
It's also difficult to get financing for those units. We are not recommending as part of that.

1315
01:56:59,140 --> 01:57:06,420
So to remove the dev restriction or the income restriction on the four sale units.

1316
01:57:09,090 --> 01:57:14,570
And last, there was an idea of carrying over prior unused allocations.

1317
01:57:15,950 --> 01:57:21,030
There have been cycles during which not all the allocations that were available have been utilized.

1318
01:57:21,150 --> 01:57:26,410
That's often due to changing in market conditions as well as other reasons.

1319
01:57:27,830 --> 01:57:33,130
But the idea was, if we brought those forward, then that would still be consistent with the original

1320
01:57:33,790 --> 01:57:40,410
GMO in that we wouldn't be bringing any more units to the community that were already approved or accepted.

1321
01:57:41,210 --> 01:57:41,810
Next slide,

1322
01:57:43,890 --> 01:57:48,050
so go into a little bit more detail on the pros and cons for the geographic exemption.

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01:57:49,890 --> 01:57:55,670
Some of the pros include that this would precisely target specific areas for growth that have been based on

1324
01:57:55,670 --> 01:57:59,970
of past as well as expected planning efforts. This includes the down,

1325
01:58:00,050 --> 01:58:06,190
reason, downtown housing capacity study area, the Central Hillsburg Avenue plan area,

1326
01:58:06,730 --> 01:58:11,410
the South entry area, and Hillsburg Avenue north of downtown.

1327
01:58:13,900 --> 01:58:15,340
This exemption would connect housing

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01:58:15,340 --> 01:58:20,780
to jobs and to transit. For the most part, our transit bulk of our transit, especially when

1329
01:58:20,780 --> 01:58:24,900
smart comes to town, is long that Hillsburg Avenue corridor, and it's also worth the majority

1330
01:58:24,900 --> 01:58:31,200
of our jobs are located. So putting housing in close proximity to jobs and transit is a good thing.

1331
01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:37,860
This will provide opportunity for more for sale units than are currently available under the current

1332
01:58:37,860 --> 01:58:43,400
restrictions. And I think it's also important to come back to what was mentioned earlier that with

1333
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:52,400
those market rate for sale units, a requirement for 20% of any project that has five or more units to provide

1334
01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:59,120
inclusionary housing. This would probably result in a higher potential for new housing in general,

1335
01:59:00,680 --> 01:59:04,420
by looking at that Hillsburg Avenue corridor, it won't impact existing neighborhoods,

1336
01:59:05,540 --> 01:59:11,300
and overall we think that it's a pretty easy to understand approach to modifying the GMO.

1337
01:59:11,960 --> 01:59:18,940
In terms of cons, this represents more of a free market approach to development within these geographic

1338
01:59:18,940 --> 01:59:24,360
areas, there would be less control of the unit types, and there would be some potential for high

1339
01:59:24,360 --> 01:59:29,480
end housing. That could still be mitigated with changes towards zoning, land discode,

1340
01:59:29,620 --> 01:59:35,120
and the future to try and discourage that. But again, that would be some modifications that we have

1341
01:59:35,120 --> 01:59:35,980
to do in the future.

1342
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:40,660
Another potential ton is that ingredient on a specific geographic

1343
01:59:40,660 --> 01:59:45,760
exemption areas may also be challenging, and depending on that outcome, that may limit the

1344
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:49,720
effectiveness of this option in actually providing housing. I think you've probably noticed in some

1345
01:59:49,720 --> 01:59:53,940
of the correspondence that you've received that there is in the silly agreement as to

1346
01:59:53,940 --> 01:59:57,200
as to what those areas should be. Okay, the next slide, please.

1347
02:00:01,140 --> 02:00:19,260
In terms of looking at the geographic exemption, we tried to break down that Hillsburg Avenue corridor and to four discrete areas. We did that to try and kind of look at where those potential was, but also gave us an opportunity to include those four subaries as part of the polling that was done.

1348
02:00:19,260 --> 02:00:25,600
So we looked at four, as I mentioned, one is the Hillsburg Avenue North, which is essentially

1349
02:00:26,580 --> 02:00:31,260
from Piper Street, North, along Hillsburg Avenue up to the Community Center.

1350
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:35,280
We looked at the area that comprises the downtown housing capacity study area.

1351
02:00:35,560 --> 02:00:41,900
And again, that is predominantly the downtown commercial and service commercial zones that are within that area.

1352
02:00:42,540 --> 02:00:48,520
And that would not include the Plaza Retail zoning district, which is that area that immediately surrounds the Plaza.

1353
02:00:49,200 --> 02:00:54,940
the Central Hillsburg Avenue plan, which, of course, with Smart, the decision to locate Smart

1354
02:00:54,940 --> 02:01:00,100
down there, where we have our highest opportunity for transit adjacent and transit oriented

1355
02:01:00,100 --> 02:01:06,280
development. And then, of course, there's the South entry area, which is in need of a specific

1356
02:01:06,280 --> 02:01:11,840
plan in order to facilitate any kind of project via residential and non-residential,

1357
02:01:12,320 --> 02:01:16,500
and that area on the other side of the river. What we like to call South of the Bridge,

1358
02:01:17,620 --> 02:01:23,440
Just to give you a little sense of how that polling went, the Central Hillsburg Avenue

1359
02:01:23,440 --> 02:01:28,280
Plan pulled the highest in terms of areas that people would like to see exempted from

1360
02:01:28,280 --> 02:01:34,640
the GMO, followed by the South entry area plan, then the Hillsburg Avenue Plan, and downtown

1361
02:01:35,320 --> 02:01:36,240
pulled the lowest.

1362
02:01:38,820 --> 02:01:39,440
Next slide.

1363
02:01:42,150 --> 02:01:46,250
This slide here comes back to the polling data that you had already seen.

1364
02:01:46,250 --> 02:01:52,550
we just wanted to give the council a reminder of what the polling showed for the geographic

1365
02:01:52,550 --> 02:01:57,730
exemption and it showed that there was initially a very strong support for the approach.

1366
02:01:59,110 --> 02:02:05,050
After additional information was provided as to what those areas were that support pretty much

1367
02:02:05,050 --> 02:02:11,970
held constant. Interesting and a little bit paradoxically after positive messages support went down.

1368
02:02:11,970 --> 02:02:18,290
one would have expected that to probably go up and then we also saw that after negative messages

1369
02:02:18,290 --> 02:02:25,070
that support further eroded but it still remained a viable option and I think with community

1370
02:02:25,070 --> 02:02:30,450
education and outreach as part of a measure if this was the direction the council went in we could

1371
02:02:30,450 --> 02:02:34,330
obviously address that messaging a little bit better. Next slide.

1372
02:02:39,620 --> 02:02:42,360
So this next potential as we mentioned earlier

1373
02:02:42,360 --> 02:02:47,380
is to modify measure P to remove the income restriction for rentals only.

1374
02:02:49,220 --> 02:02:59,660
As City Manager K mentioned earlier, we've had six years of implementation and despite what had been historically low interest rates.

1375
02:03:00,300 --> 02:03:03,540
This product just didn't find its way to the market.

1376
02:03:03,620 --> 02:03:09,400
Even when we add all these constraints on market rate allocations that were tied up with other larger development projects,

1377
02:03:09,400 --> 02:03:14,140
next none of these measure P projects came forward on their own.

1378
02:03:17,120 --> 02:03:25,100
So the pros that we kind of came up with for this and there's probably more pros and cons for each of these but these kind of help.

1379
02:03:25,120 --> 02:03:26,280
Initiate the conversation.

1380
02:03:27,420 --> 02:03:32,260
This one is probably the most targeted towards middle income workforce housing because as is noted.

1381
02:03:32,260 --> 02:03:39,500
Market rate rentals have not been built in the community since the general or since the TMO is adopted 24 years ago.

1382
02:03:39,800 --> 02:03:46,480
This kind of fields I think is a housing type that this community lacks in and would help

1383
02:03:47,240 --> 02:03:50,500
round out the overall housing stock here in Hillsburg.

1384
02:03:50,840 --> 02:03:59,140
It protects single family neighborhoods because this, you know, it's would only be limited to those areas that allow for multifamily housing.

1385
02:03:59,140 --> 02:04:12,360
Those include mixed use, the commercial zones, as well as those that are actually designated for multi-family, although most would point out the most of the multi-family housing sites are already developed with housing.

1386
02:04:12,800 --> 02:04:22,020
It abides by the voter approved cap under measure P, so the 150 units that this community is already embraced is part of the growth management ordinance.

1387
02:04:22,020 --> 02:04:28,060
This would stick to that cap, which is hopefully facilitate the realization of those units.

1388
02:04:29,200 --> 02:04:35,820
And our belief is that this ballot language is also be relatively simple and easy for the community to understand.

1389
02:04:36,420 --> 02:04:44,220
What we'll be doing is modifying measure P as opposed to a whole scale, or introducing a whole scale new exemption.

1390
02:04:45,380 --> 02:04:49,000
In terms of the cons, it does not provide additional home ownership units,

1391
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:53,640
which is also we've heard through a lot of these banning efforts a strong desire from the community

1392
02:04:54,760 --> 02:05:01,180
and it has less potential for new housing. The demand for rentals is limited in a little bit

1393
02:05:01,180 --> 02:05:09,960
harder to predict in the current market. Next slide. Again, a little bit of a reminder of how the polling

1394
02:05:09,960 --> 02:05:17,120
went for this item. Again, initial support showed that it was viable after the public heard more about

1395
02:05:17,120 --> 02:05:23,200
the polling actually increased pretty significantly to where this actually has a pretty good chance of

1396
02:05:23,900 --> 02:05:29,740
of passing after the positives. It also declined a little bit and wrote it a little bit further

1397
02:05:29,740 --> 02:05:35,900
after the negatives, but still remained well above the 50% plus one that would be needed to move

1398
02:05:35,900 --> 02:05:38,820
this approach forward. Next slide.

1399
02:05:41,050 --> 02:05:45,370
And lastly, there was an idea that came forward to carry over the

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02:05:45,370 --> 02:05:51,790
on use TMO allocations. As I mentioned before, there were cycles. We're not all the allocations,

1401
02:05:51,950 --> 02:05:58,010
we're utilized due to various reasons. This idea says rather than at the end of every three

1402
02:05:58,010 --> 02:06:03,370
year cycle, abandoning those unused allocations, this would allow those allocations to move forward

1403
02:06:03,370 --> 02:06:09,610
into future cycles. And depending on how it's written, it could actually claw back all those previous

1404
02:06:09,610 --> 02:06:16,830
applications that had expired. That would probably result in about 180 units if it were done retroactively.

1405
02:06:17,750 --> 02:06:24,310
That could be considered a pro and that would provide a little bit of a potential for

1406
02:06:24,310 --> 02:06:29,550
larger project or several projects to move forward in the near term that can't under the current

1407
02:06:31,130 --> 02:06:36,410
limitation of allocations. As I already noticed, it stays within the CAF, so the original GMO.

1408
02:06:36,410 --> 02:06:42,570
So some of the cons are that it's limited, it'll be unpredictable in terms of going forward.

1409
02:06:42,710 --> 02:06:45,310
We just never know how many allocations will be used or unused.

1410
02:06:46,170 --> 02:06:52,230
It's a little bit of an arbitrary way to determine new housing potential based on previous economic cycles.

1411
02:06:52,930 --> 02:07:03,470
And it also doesn't limit the product types or target locations the way that the other two GMO proposals that are before you this evening would do.

1412
02:07:04,030 --> 02:07:15,050
Staff is recommending that we actually eliminate this option for that very reason that these objectives can probably be achieved more strategically with the other alternatives that are before the this evening will go to the next slide.

1413
02:07:15,670 --> 02:07:23,370
This provides further rationale for probably walking away from this alternative and that's that the polling on this one.

1414
02:07:24,210 --> 02:07:43,370
Well, initially showed some support and had an incrementally increase after the information was provided on it, continuing to increase after the positives, but along with the negatives actually fell below that 50% plus one threshold, which would make this a little bit more risky approach to take.

1415
02:07:48,670 --> 02:07:51,350
I'm going to turn it back over to some of this.

1416
02:07:51,710 --> 02:07:52,610
Thank you.

1417
02:07:52,890 --> 02:07:57,010
And just a couple of quick slides and we'll wrap up and we're interested to hear from

1418
02:07:57,010 --> 02:07:58,630
the council and the community.

1419
02:07:59,550 --> 02:08:02,790
We're requesting, as I said, the outset direction tonight.

1420
02:08:03,030 --> 02:08:07,690
First off, we recommended one option be eliminated from consideration.

1421
02:08:07,990 --> 02:08:10,230
That is just a few words on the slide right now.

1422
02:08:10,370 --> 02:08:13,210
So if the council feels differently, but us know, that's fine.

1423
02:08:13,210 --> 02:08:20,470
And otherwise, between the two that remain, if the council does agree with that, as much as we

1424
02:08:20,470 --> 02:08:24,450
can know, again, no vote tonight, nothing we can't turn back, but as much as we can

1425
02:08:24,450 --> 02:08:28,190
know, it would be very helpful for us to have a few of our work in the council is headed.

1426
02:08:29,390 --> 02:08:33,690
And so we're going to listen very carefully to what you all tell us, and hopefully we'll

1427
02:08:33,690 --> 02:08:35,530
land on something that works for the group.

1428
02:08:36,170 --> 02:08:41,630
And then we'll start putting Pendapaper and subsequent meetings you would see specific language

1429
02:08:41,630 --> 02:08:46,830
to respond to, and maybe some details to refine some of these.

1430
02:08:47,550 --> 02:08:51,370
One of the second options got detailed removal of middle income restrictions.

1431
02:08:52,170 --> 02:08:54,410
I think it's probably simple pretty simple language.

1432
02:08:54,550 --> 02:08:57,230
If it's comfortable for the council, we have a path forward.

1433
02:08:57,730 --> 02:09:00,810
By contrast, the geographic exemption, obviously, right.

1434
02:09:00,890 --> 02:09:03,590
The next question would be, well, if so, where?

1435
02:09:04,310 --> 02:09:07,030
And that's something, all the feedback we can get tonight is great,

1436
02:09:07,210 --> 02:09:10,090
but it's definitely something we can keep talking about.

1437
02:09:10,090 --> 02:09:18,510
If that's important for the council, this probably goes without saying, but these are not the only options we could consider.

1438
02:09:19,190 --> 02:09:21,030
So we can also discuss variations.

1439
02:09:21,310 --> 02:09:27,130
We've heard some really good ideas that vary a little bit from the ones in front of you, from the community.

1440
02:09:27,610 --> 02:09:32,130
A staff we have kicked around and a lot, I think we've sat in a lot of meetings this year,

1441
02:09:32,350 --> 02:09:34,630
more than any other topic talking this through.

1442
02:09:34,630 --> 02:09:38,030
Nobody is suggesting that these are the best or only two options.

1443
02:09:38,110 --> 02:09:43,050
There are lots of ways these can be refined and so we can talk to some of those.

1444
02:09:43,310 --> 02:09:45,430
I'm going forward and I think you'll hear that from the community.

1445
02:09:47,570 --> 02:09:52,110
A couple of what I will say about that is there probably is no perfect option.

1446
02:09:52,970 --> 02:09:57,510
So from experience, I can say that it's really helpful to think through some of those different

1447
02:09:57,510 --> 02:09:59,690
policy toggles and think about what they do.

1448
02:10:00,170 --> 02:10:04,610
You can also kind of move without knowing it from good policy discussion to driving yourself

1449
02:10:04,610 --> 02:10:09,010
little bit crazy with the options at some point, so I'll trust you all to figure out where

1450
02:10:09,010 --> 02:10:15,490
your limit is, but I think some of that is actually really helpful. If it's helpful and I think

1451
02:10:15,490 --> 02:10:21,470
this is just a synopsis of what Scott said. The more I've thought about this and the more we've

1452
02:10:21,470 --> 02:10:27,710
thought about it is staff, I think what we've got is an option for you that's a little bit more incremental

1453
02:10:27,710 --> 02:10:33,050
and one that's a little bit more aggressive. We wouldn't bring hopefully this goes without saying

1454
02:10:33,050 --> 02:10:36,470
we wouldn't bring you any options, we thought would be ineffective, if we wouldn't bring

1455
02:10:36,470 --> 02:10:41,450
you any options that we thought were an overreached, that was likely to fail or set forth

1456
02:10:41,450 --> 02:10:43,190
horrible unintended consequences.

1457
02:10:44,450 --> 02:10:49,210
But within that range, the removal of middle income restrictions on the measure P units

1458
02:10:49,210 --> 02:10:50,790
is limited to rental units.

1459
02:10:52,170 --> 02:10:58,410
And that limits the scope of what we think will be built, really finely targeting the units

1460
02:10:58,410 --> 02:11:06,790
that would be freed up and be available to a pretty small product list and in doing so,

1461
02:11:07,050 --> 02:11:11,710
we think there's less risk of unintended consequences. Nobody here is trying to build more

1462
02:11:11,710 --> 02:11:18,990
housing for rich people and rental property is not. We believe likely to really appeal not in any

1463
02:11:18,990 --> 02:11:26,670
significant numbers. So less risk of projects that maybe we don't want and on the flip side,

1464
02:11:26,670 --> 02:11:31,450
probably fewer units. We don't have an easy way of quantifying what we'll get out of it, but we

1465
02:11:31,450 --> 02:11:39,550
think we'll get fewer units. By contrast, the geographic exemption allows the market to tell us a

1466
02:11:39,550 --> 02:11:43,690
little bit more what wants to be built. We are not proposing any geographies that would be

1467
02:11:43,690 --> 02:11:49,210
single-family home areas that's as we said at the beginning as well. All we don't think that would

1468
02:11:49,210 --> 02:11:55,950
be affordable, but by allowing a broader range of products and for sale housing,

1469
02:11:56,810 --> 02:12:20,610
We have less control and we think we'll get more units and it's also possible probably likely that we'll get some number projects that don't immediately hit the housing needs or the exact goals we're trying to hit as as you heard before even on those will still get 20% of low and very low income housing as part of them, but it's relinquishing a little bit of control to get more units.

1470
02:12:21,330 --> 02:12:23,470
And so I think those are both reasonable approaches.

1471
02:12:23,530 --> 02:12:26,290
I think those are both beneficial policy changes.

1472
02:12:27,650 --> 02:12:29,790
But maybe it's helpful as the council,

1473
02:12:30,050 --> 02:12:33,690
if you find yourselves getting twisted around on these many variations,

1474
02:12:34,450 --> 02:12:35,850
to think about it in those terms,

1475
02:12:36,070 --> 02:12:38,470
and that would be really helpful information for us as staff.

1476
02:12:38,550 --> 02:12:43,090
What is the council's comfort level in terms of moving incrementally,

1477
02:12:43,150 --> 02:12:44,890
or maybe just a little bit less incrementally?

1478
02:12:45,050 --> 02:12:46,990
And that's how I think of these two options.

1479
02:12:47,550 --> 02:12:52,990
And another way to think about it is one is restricted to rental only and one allows ownership housing.

1480
02:12:53,650 --> 02:12:56,210
And with ownership housing, we lose a little bit of control.

1481
02:12:56,570 --> 02:13:02,690
We also get, we know as community wants more opportunities for ownership housing, so we also get more of that.

1482
02:13:03,350 --> 02:13:09,990
And that's really how it, in my mind, it's boiled down to a couple of different ways that we could go moving forward.

1483
02:13:11,010 --> 02:13:16,730
Finally, with all of that said, hopefully we'll be able to provide you the information you need tonight,

1484
02:13:16,750 --> 02:13:23,130
or you've seen it in many conversations and studies we've been through, but if there's obviously,

1485
02:13:23,230 --> 02:13:28,010
if there's additional information, this Council thinks you need, please do let us know tonight,

1486
02:13:28,130 --> 02:13:32,850
and we'll make sure we provide that quickly. Next slide, please, in the last slide.

1487
02:13:34,270 --> 02:13:36,730
In terms of what comes next, assuming we're moving toward,

1488
02:13:36,730 --> 02:13:38,770
coalescing around a preferred approach.

1489
02:13:39,430 --> 02:13:41,210
We need to do environmental analysis,

1490
02:13:41,250 --> 02:13:43,410
sequa, on anything that's going on the ballot.

1491
02:13:43,630 --> 02:13:45,170
We have already teed that work up.

1492
02:13:45,550 --> 02:13:47,170
We're ready to move and hustle on it,

1493
02:13:47,250 --> 02:13:49,230
but that's probably one of the most important.

1494
02:13:50,050 --> 02:13:52,230
Timing sensitivities we have right now.

1495
02:13:53,170 --> 02:13:56,250
We would with your direction when that either tonight

1496
02:13:56,250 --> 02:13:58,190
or whenever that comes, put together a draft language

1497
02:13:58,190 --> 02:13:59,810
for not just a ballot question,

1498
02:14:00,030 --> 02:14:02,190
but all of the materials that go with it.

1499
02:14:02,410 --> 02:14:05,250
And we're targeting, you can see here June 17th,

1500
02:14:05,250 --> 02:14:08,330
which is the last meeting before the council's July recess.

1501
02:14:08,830 --> 02:14:10,350
I say this with some hesitation,

1502
02:14:10,710 --> 02:14:13,270
but I think legally we could take action

1503
02:14:13,270 --> 02:14:14,530
at your first meeting in August

1504
02:14:15,050 --> 02:14:16,750
and meet the ballot deadlines.

1505
02:14:17,770 --> 02:14:20,790
So if need be this conversation could go for a while,

1506
02:14:21,350 --> 02:14:23,930
but the last bullet and this is where I will stop.

1507
02:14:25,190 --> 02:14:26,750
When direction is in hand,

1508
02:14:27,030 --> 02:14:31,890
we intend to embark on a pretty robust outreach program

1509
02:14:31,890 --> 02:14:33,890
with the community because we're also going to finish

1510
02:14:33,890 --> 02:14:47,890
I started as GMO is confusing if we want voters to weigh in, I think we owe them putting forth a lot of effort to give them a chance to share information with us and sharing information with them about what the heck are we proposing and why are we doing it.

1511
02:14:49,210 --> 02:14:56,710
And waiting to make a decision until deep into the summer would probably compromise that effort a little bit just in that we get started that much later.

1512
02:14:57,990 --> 02:14:59,090
So June is our target.

1513
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:10,740
Order to take that action and take a vote to put something on the ballot. We'll stop there. We look forward to hearing from the public on this and we look forward to getting direction from the council. Thank you.

1514
02:15:11,160 --> 02:15:22,160
Thank you. So let's quickly, if there are any specific questions for staff from council. If not, I will open it up to the public.

1515
02:15:24,240 --> 02:15:28,500
Welcome, John, you want to kick us off. There's a lot of chance out there.

1516
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:31,600
Yeah, my name is John Torres.

1517
02:15:31,840 --> 02:15:33,040
I've been working again,

1518
02:15:33,140 --> 02:15:34,880
I'm living in Hillsburg since 1977.

1519
02:15:35,660 --> 02:15:38,580
Back my first job here in Hillsburg was always cascade.

1520
02:15:38,680 --> 02:15:41,000
Remember, Mel, where that instant,

1521
02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:44,360
and so village is being built right now, so it's amazing.

1522
02:15:44,900 --> 02:15:48,080
In the homes of at Montage, where the dump used to be,

1523
02:15:48,540 --> 02:15:52,000
well, I guess a transfer station now, so it's really amazing.

1524
02:15:52,400 --> 02:15:55,360
So I just envy you guys, kind of tough job,

1525
02:15:55,680 --> 02:15:57,600
but we do need to change GMO.

1526
02:15:57,600 --> 02:16:02,040
you know, we need to get affordable housing here because my career started and you'll say

1527
02:16:02,040 --> 02:16:09,480
in 86 and I started selling to first-time home buyers and I may start my career that, but

1528
02:16:09,480 --> 02:16:14,280
I moved up to that because the kids can afford to buy and now in the both can afford to

1529
02:16:14,280 --> 02:16:20,880
help them. My last two sales was one later, the razor kids here I coached them in

1530
02:16:20,880 --> 02:16:25,700
at the Boys & Girls Club in baseball back in the probability 85 and she had moved to her kids

1531
02:16:25,700 --> 02:16:30,700
moved up to Yuccaia because it was more affordable. So now Solver House got good money for

1532
02:16:30,700 --> 02:16:35,800
house and she moved up to Yuccaia. Well, that's what I say. It was up in Clobadil. I sold

1533
02:16:35,800 --> 02:16:41,440
his dad's house in Killsburg, moved to Clobadil. It was affordable. But now he's got tired of

1534
02:16:41,440 --> 02:16:48,220
over regulating in California. So he's moved up to Oregon. So it's amazing. It's a tough job, but

1535
02:16:48,220 --> 02:16:54,960
we do need to work on a GMO. And some of the concepts you got are great. I think it's when I

1536
02:16:54,960 --> 02:16:57,380
over pay for a house, but now it was a good deal.

1537
02:16:59,400 --> 02:17:03,840
So, you know, look, can I say so, you got a tough job and I went to one workshop.

1538
02:17:04,220 --> 02:17:05,080
I thought it was great.

1539
02:17:05,240 --> 02:17:06,940
You got some very talented people at Hillsburg.

1540
02:17:07,380 --> 02:17:09,380
I think you've very much.

1541
02:17:10,720 --> 02:17:11,420
Thanks, John.

1542
02:17:12,280 --> 02:17:14,980
And by the way, John, I noticed you were taking pictures of the slides.

1543
02:17:15,060 --> 02:17:16,080
Those are online.

1544
02:17:16,700 --> 02:17:19,540
So, if anybody needs the slides from the council meetings.

1545
02:17:21,920 --> 02:17:22,280
Welcome.

1546
02:17:22,900 --> 02:17:24,200
Thank you.

1547
02:17:24,840 --> 02:17:26,260
Hi, my name is Andy Alkin.

1548
02:17:26,260 --> 02:17:35,940
that live here in Hillsburg been a resident since 2018 had three comments. First, I really appreciate

1549
02:17:36,860 --> 02:17:46,160
the way that this presentation articulates the need for more housing for the middle part of

1550
02:17:46,160 --> 02:17:51,940
our community. I think that there's a strong case that can be made and can be communicated effectively

1551
02:17:51,940 --> 02:17:58,780
to the public is always upsetting when my wife and I go out to dinner and we're talking with

1552
02:17:58,780 --> 02:18:04,500
the young man or woman who's serving and find out that they're living out and Sebastian Paul

1553
02:18:04,500 --> 02:18:10,580
or West County and driving 45 minutes to get to work every day because they can't afford to

1554
02:18:10,580 --> 02:18:17,140
live in Hillsburg. So I think there's a strong case to be made. Secondly, I was glad to hear that

1555
02:18:17,140 --> 02:18:26,920
part of the conversation has been with developers. I feel like that may have been overlooked

1556
02:18:26,920 --> 02:18:36,980
or underestimated in the past. The fact that there have been some modifications but no building

1557
02:18:36,980 --> 02:18:45,540
has has happened. I think it's not enough to just change the regulations. There has to be economic

1558
02:18:45,540 --> 02:18:51,660
incentive or else things are not going to get built. So I do hope that those conversations

1559
02:18:51,660 --> 02:18:58,620
take place in more detail. I noticed in the summary that one of the limiting factors was

1560
02:18:58,620 --> 02:19:04,400
existing allowed densities, but I didn't hear any discussion about changing the existing

1561
02:19:04,400 --> 02:19:09,400
allowed densities and increasing the number of units for acre that would be allowed.

1562
02:19:10,040 --> 02:19:14,500
I'm not a real state developer, but that seems like it would be an important factor.

1563
02:19:14,500 --> 02:19:22,200
Finally, the third thing I wanted to emphasize is, and fortunately, I think you have a great

1564
02:19:22,200 --> 02:19:27,940
staff here, but messaging and communication, I believe, is going to be critical.

1565
02:19:28,620 --> 02:19:36,100
It was just stressing to see that for both of the options that you're considering, support

1566
02:19:36,100 --> 02:19:42,400
went down after positive messaging, that suggests we're not doing a good job of communicating

1567
02:19:42,400 --> 02:19:51,580
the benefits and in looking back at past measures to modify the growth management ordinance,

1568
02:19:53,680 --> 02:20:00,980
I read, they all passed except for measure R. And I'll tell you, I read measure R four times,

1569
02:20:01,080 --> 02:20:07,280
and I still don't understand it. If we can't clearly articulate what the proposed changes,

1570
02:20:07,280 --> 02:20:14,840
there's not going to be any support. So my summary is continue to build the case for the need

1571
02:20:14,840 --> 02:20:21,180
make sure that there are economic incentives so developers will actually build and you know

1572
02:20:21,180 --> 02:20:26,460
please work on the communication to make it as persuasive as possible. Thank you. Thank you, Sandy.

1573
02:20:27,660 --> 02:20:28,940
Jonathan, welcome.

1574
02:20:31,720 --> 02:20:34,700
Good evening Mayor Haley, council members, what he said.

1575
02:20:34,700 --> 02:20:38,200
Basically, was very well articulated.

1576
02:20:39,220 --> 02:21:02,720
I'm torn about this, I tend to fall on the side of the more conservative direction of the option two of eliminating the income verification because I did some calculations of the current AMI and what the 120 to 160 percent would become and it's very, very close to market rate for rentals.

1577
02:21:02,720 --> 02:21:16,720
So, it doesn't make a lot of sense for a developer who's limited by, you know, from financially, as well as, you know, having to file all sorts of reports to have to go through that, to end up, you know, renting something at that kind of rate.

1578
02:21:16,720 --> 02:21:24,720
I think that I was talking with Mayor Hagley recently and one of the directions we came to was just simply

1579
02:21:24,720 --> 02:21:32,300
exempt all multifamily rental units from the GMO because then you can only build multifamily housing

1580
02:21:32,300 --> 02:21:38,960
in the zones that allow it and it basically is what you're talking about at this point because I think

1581
02:21:38,960 --> 02:21:47,360
then also focuses on, you know, for the developer, on specifically where you can, you know,

1582
02:21:47,400 --> 02:21:52,960
what you can do and what you can build, except, of course, we have to modify the zoning as well,

1583
02:21:53,120 --> 02:21:58,280
in parallel. Obviously, this is not the floor, you know, not the place where that will happen,

1584
02:21:58,520 --> 02:22:02,760
but if that doesn't happen, then, and I think that's part of the reason why any of the measures

1585
02:22:02,760 --> 02:22:08,940
to modify the GMO happened really yielded very much because still the density is so

1586
02:22:08,940 --> 02:22:13,860
low that a developer wouldn't be interested even if it were easier to get an

1587
02:22:13,860 --> 02:22:18,360
allotment to do that. I think the other option about the geographic exemption

1588
02:22:18,360 --> 02:22:24,880
has some really good points. I think that the downtown is a problematic to

1589
02:22:24,880 --> 02:22:30,520
exempt the downtown, because I think that there'd be kind of a gold rush. Because

1590
02:22:30,520 --> 02:22:35,960
then, you know, typically second home, second home owners or third home owners are

1591
02:22:35,960 --> 02:22:39,100
not renters, they tend to buy things.

1592
02:22:39,880 --> 02:22:42,760
But if there was a fantastic unit downtown

1593
02:22:43,320 --> 02:22:45,860
that was renting for $6,000 a month,

1594
02:22:46,380 --> 02:22:49,420
I could see plenty of people wanting to do that

1595
02:22:49,420 --> 02:22:51,500
as they're quote unquote second home.

1596
02:22:51,820 --> 02:22:53,080
But once you get out of that,

1597
02:22:53,080 --> 02:22:55,280
if you get into the Hillsburg north or the chap

1598
02:22:55,280 --> 02:22:59,580
or south entry, those are not places where home buyers

1599
02:22:59,580 --> 02:23:02,380
would be looking because it would only be limited to renters.

1600
02:23:02,480 --> 02:23:04,700
So I think there's some value in that.

1601
02:23:04,700 --> 02:23:12,560
do you think it would be harder to explain all that, in a ballot measure, I agree that the

1602
02:23:12,560 --> 02:23:17,520
elimination of the income verification is definitely a much easier sell because then you're

1603
02:23:17,520 --> 02:23:22,680
just modifying something that's just tweaking some language and that kind of makes it much easier.

1604
02:23:23,480 --> 02:23:31,900
And the current 50 units per year on a three-year cycle, you could still retain the income verification

1605
02:23:31,900 --> 02:23:37,720
for four sale units, but then maybe eliminate it for the rental, and still have enough units

1606
02:23:38,540 --> 02:23:41,580
for the marketplace. Thank you. Thank you.

1607
02:23:45,120 --> 02:23:45,780
And welcome.

1608
02:23:49,260 --> 02:23:51,460
Good evening, Hillsburg.

1609
02:23:52,500 --> 02:23:59,480
My name is Anne Amtourp, and a resident here since 1988, and I've also sold real estate here

1610
02:23:59,480 --> 02:24:07,080
since 1989, and all of the properties that I have seen that have come to market as moderate

1611
02:24:07,080 --> 02:24:15,660
income have never stayed moderate income and same goes for low income. I've seen many projects come

1612
02:24:15,660 --> 02:24:28,480
has low income and there's no regulation or no way to to mod to regulate them to stay as low

1613
02:24:28,480 --> 02:24:37,540
come or moderate income. So I'm going to come from a complete polyana place and I am a polyana

1614
02:24:37,540 --> 02:24:43,800
and this polyana is attracted a lot of really, really positive community members to our

1615
02:24:43,800 --> 02:24:53,920
society here in Hillsburg. I just had the breed people this week contact me about places to rent

1616
02:24:53,920 --> 02:24:57,720
And one is a retired English teacher.

1617
02:24:58,300 --> 02:25:02,080
The other is a retired drama teacher.

1618
02:25:02,540 --> 02:25:04,980
The other is a single parent.

1619
02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:08,460
So what's wrong with creating a community

1620
02:25:08,460 --> 02:25:14,840
where we have like five to 500 to 1,000 square foot

1621
02:25:14,840 --> 02:25:19,420
units that provide housing for people

1622
02:25:19,420 --> 02:25:22,500
who can share their knowledge.

1623
02:25:22,500 --> 02:25:27,180
and sort of have it be a village within our village.

1624
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:31,700
And so I see both the North and the South

1625
02:25:31,700 --> 02:25:35,820
Heelsburg areas as being really positive for those places.

1626
02:25:36,480 --> 02:25:39,120
We can, we have developed bike paths,

1627
02:25:39,560 --> 02:25:41,420
we can develop shuttles,

1628
02:25:42,180 --> 02:25:44,820
and then also this way,

1629
02:25:44,900 --> 02:25:47,300
the people who work in our service industry

1630
02:25:47,300 --> 02:25:51,020
can continue to live in our neighborhood.

1631
02:25:51,020 --> 02:25:53,880
I agree with everybody who's spoken this evening.

1632
02:25:54,640 --> 02:26:02,720
It's really important that we retain our great service industry workers.

1633
02:26:03,500 --> 02:26:09,480
And also all of the people who have contributed to our community for many, many years.

1634
02:26:13,020 --> 02:26:17,760
It's affordability has become impossible here.

1635
02:26:17,760 --> 02:26:22,540
And it always has been very tricky for the last 30 years

1636
02:26:22,540 --> 02:26:24,900
Heel's births never really been affordable.

1637
02:26:25,740 --> 02:26:31,880
But I challenge our community to create a village within a village

1638
02:26:32,400 --> 02:26:34,340
for people of all ages.

1639
02:26:35,160 --> 02:26:38,480
And it also can be for people of all economic backgrounds.

1640
02:26:38,500 --> 02:26:43,580
It doesn't have to be of low moderate income.

1641
02:26:43,580 --> 02:26:46,820
So, just kind of thrown out my poly an idea.

1642
02:26:47,960 --> 02:26:48,420
Thank you.

1643
02:26:50,940 --> 02:26:51,940
Anyone else?

1644
02:26:58,490 --> 02:26:58,710
Okay.

1645
02:27:01,940 --> 02:27:02,340
Good evening.

1646
02:27:02,340 --> 02:27:02,720
Thank you.

1647
02:27:04,880 --> 02:27:11,300
I want to do a recognized city manager case presentation tonight.

1648
02:27:11,440 --> 02:27:13,400
It's been really, really helpful.

1649
02:27:13,840 --> 02:27:15,740
You articulated very well.

1650
02:27:17,080 --> 02:27:23,480
I wanted to reinforce, particularly the first two speakers, just I'm adding another

1651
02:27:23,480 --> 02:27:32,280
voice to what they said. I think that they're on target and what we need is we need to focus

1652
02:27:33,140 --> 02:27:40,060
what we what we've been doing the last 20 years isn't working. So we need to fix it.

1653
02:27:40,560 --> 02:27:46,080
And I think that although this is this presentation tonight is called dialogue,

1654
02:27:46,080 --> 02:27:48,660
It's really not quite a dialogue.

1655
02:27:49,460 --> 02:27:54,820
I would encourage you to continue to have additional,

1656
02:27:55,180 --> 02:27:59,380
not a meeting, but additional, actual dialogue.

1657
02:27:59,640 --> 02:28:02,640
I would love to be at a tape at a round table,

1658
02:28:03,160 --> 02:28:05,640
like what we do with Healsford, 2040,

1659
02:28:06,160 --> 02:28:10,660
where we have six to 12 people around the table,

1660
02:28:11,160 --> 02:28:13,620
having a dialogue, exchanging ideas,

1661
02:28:13,620 --> 02:28:43,420
as opposed to what happens here, which is, we've got three minutes, and that's not really a dialogue, it's enough to make a statement, and we need that back and forth, I think it's critical, so I encourage you to keep working at it, and let's fix this, because we do need that middle income housing, we do need that middle income housing to develop other business opportunities here in the city.

1662
02:28:43,420 --> 02:28:48,040
rather than dishwasher's and chefs and hotel workers.

1663
02:28:48,720 --> 02:28:51,180
That middle, missing middle, it's really important.

1664
02:28:51,660 --> 02:28:53,120
Thank you.

1665
02:28:53,760 --> 02:28:54,420
Thank you,

1666
02:28:57,370 --> 02:28:57,730
Richard.

1667
02:29:00,070 --> 02:29:00,530
Welcome.

1668
02:29:02,580 --> 02:29:03,820
Good evening, Council.

1669
02:29:04,320 --> 02:29:10,280
Mayor, combining some of these might be advantageous.

1670
02:29:10,280 --> 02:29:13,900
I don't know about what Jonathan said about a land rush,

1671
02:29:14,020 --> 02:29:15,940
but if you take the density study

1672
02:29:15,940 --> 02:29:32,680
And a modification to the GMO, it would change the complexion of downtown if the zoning changes followed, but was required to implement some of the things we saw when they did the model of an increased density for the downtown area.

1673
02:29:34,880 --> 02:29:39,000
I am curious why there aren't any developers here.

1674
02:29:39,000 --> 02:29:46,060
The voice of a developer coming into this decision seems really important because they're

1675
02:29:46,060 --> 02:29:51,260
the ones who are going to step up by a piece of property and build something into the regulatory

1676
02:29:51,260 --> 02:29:54,960
environment we have at the time they purchase the property.

1677
02:29:54,960 --> 02:29:59,960
So, if we reduce the change measure P, but...

1678
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:11,480
We'll require inclusionary housing. Wouldn't it be an incentive to a developer to not have to build 20% of the units he was building inclusionary.

1679
02:30:11,820 --> 02:30:22,260
We're looking for him to solve a problem of ours and we're burdening him with a problem that we have in some respects accommodated for the last 20 years.

1680
02:30:22,260 --> 02:30:29,680
So, one of the benefits to a developer might be to be able to build small multi-family rental

1681
02:30:29,680 --> 02:30:36,400
units with no restrictions, I like Anne's suggestion, this could happen in one project.

1682
02:30:37,300 --> 02:30:45,100
You know, what did we see with the density study, 46 units on a lot, that could be a small

1683
02:30:45,100 --> 02:30:45,740
community.

1684
02:30:45,740 --> 02:30:54,240
But what is going to incentivize the developer to come to Hillsburg and solve this problem for us?

1685
02:30:54,240 --> 02:30:56,760
Unless we're able to offer them some incentive.

1686
02:30:57,680 --> 02:31:06,220
Ideally, the city might design the solution they want and then wait for a developer to come to build the thing we want.

1687
02:31:06,560 --> 02:31:08,300
That's a very different approach.

1688
02:31:09,320 --> 02:31:17,000
It would cost some money to do a performer just like the density study and say we'd like

1689
02:31:17,000 --> 02:31:18,840
to see this built in Hillsford.

1690
02:31:20,480 --> 02:31:24,960
But that would be an incentive for a developer not to have to go through the process

1691
02:31:25,500 --> 02:31:30,000
to somewhat excruciating process of getting a project approved.

1692
02:31:30,400 --> 02:31:35,680
If the community came up with a design and then waited for a developer to show up to build

1693
02:31:36,720 --> 02:31:37,320
it.

1694
02:31:37,320 --> 02:31:44,180
Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else? Jim, welcome.

1695
02:31:50,660 --> 02:31:55,680
Mayor council members. Just a couple of us. First of all, I came tonight with a little

1696
02:31:55,680 --> 02:32:04,460
little imprepidation just because I'm kind of burned out on the GMO for a lot of reasons, but I just got to say the work that has been done is phenomenal. Your presentation was fabulous. I think the

1697
02:32:04,460 --> 02:32:11,200
capacity study preceding this was a really good strategy. So I think we have a lot of really good tools now to make some informed decisions.

1698
02:32:12,200 --> 02:32:16,680
And I don't envy where you are because you have to make two decisions.

1699
02:32:16,920 --> 02:32:19,800
One is you got to pick something that you think is going to pass.

1700
02:32:20,300 --> 02:32:24,320
And then second you got to pick something that will pass that you think will actually produce something.

1701
02:32:24,520 --> 02:32:30,080
And those are two pretty big unknowns in a 20 year history that really hasn't worked.

1702
02:32:31,040 --> 02:32:35,180
To Richard's comment, just I think the last time we had this conversation about housing capacity,

1703
02:32:35,440 --> 02:32:38,080
I am a developer, I work in a development environment.

1704
02:32:38,560 --> 02:32:42,820
I think having the community design it and wait for the developer to show up is a really bad idea.

1705
02:32:43,080 --> 02:32:44,420
They just, that's not going to work.

1706
02:32:44,960 --> 02:32:52,400
But I think what you do need to do is we have an opportunity, as I said in my letter, to leverage a number of incentives,

1707
02:32:53,100 --> 02:32:59,460
combined with policy changes, combined with kind of the natural attraction in this community to get ultimately what we want.

1708
02:33:00,360 --> 02:33:07,600
And I think there are challenges with the geographic exclusion or geographic carve out as the

1709
02:33:07,600 --> 02:33:07,900
option.

1710
02:33:08,100 --> 02:33:12,760
But I do think if you're taking a long term view and how we shape this community in terms

1711
02:33:12,760 --> 02:33:17,780
of supporting the downtown businesses, creating places if people can walk to, reducing green

1712
02:33:17,780 --> 02:33:21,860
house gas for and commuting and all that kind of stuff, that is the right long term solution.

1713
02:33:22,060 --> 02:33:25,980
Whether that'll pass, I don't know, but I think it's worth going the long distance on.

1714
02:33:25,980 --> 02:33:42,280
The option of changing the income on the missing middle housing or on prop p or whatever is I mean it's probably viable and maybe we need to take baby steps because when we've taken bold chances before they just haven't worked partially because of the complexity.

1715
02:33:43,340 --> 02:33:50,540
But I think we think that we're in a very different place than we were in 2016 I think the community is much more aware of what this issue is.

1716
02:33:50,540 --> 02:33:55,160
I think we have much better tools, thanks to the work that's been done preceding this.

1717
02:33:55,220 --> 02:34:00,720
I think there are 2040 and other groups that are championing this, I think we have an opportunity

1718
02:34:00,720 --> 02:34:06,400
to get this passed. So I would really encourage you to think about not what is just the most

1719
02:34:06,400 --> 02:34:11,080
expeditious thing that we can pass, but what is going to give us the tool, the one properly

1720
02:34:11,080 --> 02:34:17,020
combined with zoning changes, and then policy incentives, such as density bonuses and a land

1721
02:34:17,020 --> 02:34:21,580
rest can actually shape the downtown and the economy in the way that we would ultimately like

1722
02:34:21,580 --> 02:34:28,360
it to be for the long term. Thank you. Anybody else?

1723
02:34:29,420 --> 02:34:30,160
Paulia, welcome.

1724
02:34:33,440 --> 02:34:38,500
I'll also just did a gym, but it wasn't planning on speaking on this, but

1725
02:34:38,500 --> 02:34:43,570
I'm going to speak as a resident and I can say after running five different chambers of

1726
02:34:43,570 --> 02:34:51,170
and different cities, 15% of the people that work here are able to live here is horrible.

1727
02:34:51,930 --> 02:34:58,470
It's a completely disastrous for the future, for the economy, for anything that you want to look at in

1728
02:34:58,470 --> 02:35:05,330
Hillsburg, you can already look at our low enrollment rates, and everything we have, we don't even have a high school football team anymore,

1729
02:35:05,450 --> 02:35:10,830
and all of these things because we aren't able to get the younger generations and other people in the

1730
02:35:10,830 --> 02:35:15,310
affordability to move here so the missing middle that we already have the lack of service

1731
02:35:15,310 --> 02:35:20,370
workers, the people that work in the grocery stores, you know, obviously firefighters, teachers,

1732
02:35:20,690 --> 02:35:26,970
people that are really in need in our community. So I just want to mention that I definitely think

1733
02:35:27,610 --> 02:35:34,670
that we need to have change. This is something that has been a long time. If you look at any community,

1734
02:35:35,570 --> 02:35:40,070
anywhere, anywhere sitting things are not the same. You have to evolve with the times you

1735
02:35:40,070 --> 02:35:45,270
evolve with the needs and we don't necessarily need the GMO the way it sets anymore.

1736
02:35:46,050 --> 02:35:50,930
So also working in jewelry, I'm just going to say the four seas are completely important.

1737
02:35:51,470 --> 02:35:57,470
So I really think you can make a clear concise messaging. I'm just going to say if you put

1738
02:35:57,470 --> 02:36:03,450
clarity on the measure, if you're concise and you clarify the needs for the missing middle

1739
02:36:03,450 --> 02:36:08,570
and you cancel the GMO, I think it'll be a really positive thing. So thank you so much.

1740
02:36:08,570 --> 02:36:12,410
and make this time to really make a change

1741
02:36:12,410 --> 02:36:13,890
that's critical for the future.

1742
02:36:14,250 --> 02:36:15,290
Thank you.

1743
02:36:16,250 --> 02:36:17,510
Anybody else?

1744
02:36:20,620 --> 02:36:23,740
All right, Marilyn, no?

1745
02:36:24,420 --> 02:36:27,960
All right, we will close public comment now

1746
02:36:27,960 --> 02:36:29,520
and bring it back.

1747
02:36:30,800 --> 02:36:30,800
Any,

1748
02:36:33,490 --> 02:36:36,130
who wants to kick us off here, Chris?

1749
02:36:37,850 --> 02:36:40,510
Ron, start on the ends.

1750
02:36:40,510 --> 02:37:10,860
Yeah, you know, this is I think we've gone around. We kind of have an idea of what would work. I mean, we definitely need to be clear that these are steps that we're taking that this is just the beginning of the geographical area. I think for me is a good for step. It is one that can get rid of some skepticism because it's not we're not doing it for the whole city. We're doing it incrementally.

1751
02:37:10,860 --> 02:37:33,860
and starting in a small area, we could put that fairly clear and we could demonstrate how the process of work and then come back after we've shown that we can do what we say we're going to do with the geographical area with the zoning and then go forward and kind of expanding out.

1752
02:37:33,920 --> 02:37:38,380
So I think that that's really what we need is to trust in doing this.

1753
02:37:39,280 --> 02:37:44,440
Um, before I get too far, I do want to, like, just, let's start off with one question that

1754
02:37:44,440 --> 02:37:50,460
staff had was removing option three. One nodding head, I see if thumbs up, another thumbs up

1755
02:37:50,460 --> 02:38:01,520
and nodding head. So yes, you have. Yes, Andrew. You got one out of the way. All right. Thank you,

1756
02:38:01,520 --> 02:38:12,880
one Brad words. Councilmember Herod. Thanks. I am I have really enjoyed the conversation here

1757
02:38:12,880 --> 02:38:19,500
and with lots of different members of the community on this topic and and definitely there's

1758
02:38:19,500 --> 02:38:27,060
a lot more openness and I think on the topic of changing the JMO and the past I think our approach

1759
02:38:27,060 --> 02:38:31,780
is very sober this time and I think it's very intentional.

1760
02:38:32,660 --> 02:38:36,880
And so I'm optimistic that we can take steps towards

1761
02:38:36,880 --> 02:38:38,320
our housing goals.

1762
02:38:40,080 --> 02:38:43,740
I guess probably my only disappointment

1763
02:38:43,740 --> 02:38:48,380
is that early on I kind of hoped that we might see a path

1764
02:38:48,380 --> 02:38:50,780
to missing middle ownership.

1765
02:38:51,020 --> 02:38:53,660
And I think that's really kind of not there right now.

1766
02:38:53,660 --> 02:39:21,820
And that's unfortunate, and that'll be, that'll be like a council member Edward says that'll be me the next step we can take if things change maybe the South entry opens up in a way that is a possibility that's not, you know, on the table right now as far as I'm concerned, but so that's one of the reasons that option two is is appealing to me.

1767
02:39:21,820 --> 02:39:38,320
And because it is clearly focused on rentals, which are our possibilities for the

1768
02:39:38,320 --> 02:39:41,200
modern income folks in our town.

1769
02:39:43,400 --> 02:39:49,780
And secondly, I think it's maybe most importantly, and I feel like we should be laser focused

1770
02:39:49,780 --> 02:39:56,920
on something that can pass, it's simple, and I think that really does fit the bill in terms

1771
02:39:56,920 --> 02:40:07,100
of developing downtown, right now the zoning really is for rental properties is going to

1772
02:40:07,980 --> 02:40:13,880
be, is already focused on these areas as well, and so I don't think we need an order at the

1773
02:40:13,880 --> 02:40:15,900
points to certain zones.

1774
02:40:16,660 --> 02:40:20,460
Needless to say, we do need to come back with whatever

1775
02:40:20,460 --> 02:40:25,100
happens here and correct the capacity limits downtown.

1776
02:40:25,460 --> 02:40:28,700
But I feel pretty confident that will happen.

1777
02:40:30,180 --> 02:40:32,380
And then finally, I think there's some real anxiety

1778
02:40:32,380 --> 02:40:37,080
that if we fall the geographic exemption

1779
02:40:37,080 --> 02:40:41,340
that we're going to see too much of the kind of housing

1780
02:40:41,340 --> 02:40:43,260
that we're seeing too much of already,

1781
02:40:43,260 --> 02:40:49,440
which it's the luxury high end housing downtown. And it's put a lot of worry into people's minds.

1782
02:40:51,200 --> 02:40:57,380
And, you know, it's hard to measure how real that is. But I think that's something we have to

1783
02:40:57,880 --> 02:41:04,700
consider politically in terms of what would pass. And realistically, maybe this going that direction

1784
02:41:04,700 --> 02:41:10,580
doesn't take us as close to our goals as we'd like to go, even though the second option is a

1785
02:41:10,580 --> 02:41:22,320
little narrower path. I think that's the path that I hopefully would choose. Thank you. I appreciate your thought process on the comes when we're killing.

1786
02:41:25,690 --> 02:41:36,290
Thank you. So I think, you know, explaining it in broad terms, is this something we want to do that's incremental or something that's more.

1787
02:41:36,290 --> 02:42:03,090
You know, has greater potential to yield a larger number of units, and I think, in tier point around, what we heard so much from the community, especially during the Inquantos for the DEI process, but just kind of what we hear anecdotally about people who want to buy a home and that is not affordable to do so in heelsburg and so they're often, you know, leaving heelsburg to purchase their first home.

1788
02:42:03,090 --> 02:42:12,610
I do think that option one has the only option between the two that would yield homeownership opportunities.

1789
02:42:13,070 --> 02:42:19,970
And I think to your point around is it going to only yield luxury homeownership opportunities.

1790
02:42:20,490 --> 02:42:32,250
And I think we should just acknowledge that the unintended consequences of the GMO have made it so we're only getting luxury.

1791
02:42:32,250 --> 02:42:43,550
or deed restricted affordable that's exempt from the GMO, and then having to really scrape together these complex stacks of money to figure out for those developers how they can develop it.

1792
02:42:44,210 --> 02:42:52,410
For example, you know, the mill district is going to take what 10, 12 years to build those units.

1793
02:42:52,410 --> 02:43:02,590
And so, they're expensive because they're sitting there with a pile of dirt for 10 to 12 years and they're not going to make money on that dirt for a very, very long time.

1794
02:43:02,850 --> 02:43:11,290
And so, the longer they wait, the longer they're carrying cost is, you know, the more expensive those units have to be for them to feel like it's penciling.

1795
02:43:11,290 --> 02:43:21,310
So I think that is the consequence of the GMO if you didn't have those limitations for them.

1796
02:43:21,510 --> 02:43:23,210
It's 20 units per year max, right?

1797
02:43:23,210 --> 02:43:29,570
Because that's that was a category A of the GMO that you can only have 20 and then 10 are reserved for individual developers.

1798
02:43:31,610 --> 02:43:36,190
So 20 units per year and if you want to build 60 units, that's if they're available.

1799
02:43:36,190 --> 02:43:45,410
So we know for for very long time those those allegations just aren't available until I think what 2018 at this point or twenty twenty twenty eight

1800
02:43:46,710 --> 02:43:50,030
That you know that those things start to come available and so

1801
02:43:51,210 --> 02:43:56,670
I look at the the geographic exemption as as an opportunity to

1802
02:43:57,350 --> 02:43:59,530
Be really specific about

1803
02:43:59,530 --> 02:44:04,630
Multifamily housing because we know where it's located you're not going to build a single family neighborhood

1804
02:44:05,270 --> 02:44:11,830
you know, say for example, on one of the lots next the community center. That's not what it's own for.

1805
02:44:12,830 --> 02:44:17,390
And I think you could create the type of density there.

1806
02:44:17,830 --> 02:44:24,150
We would have to be very proactive about any type of GMO change, no matter which option it is.

1807
02:44:24,330 --> 02:44:31,570
We saw with the capacity study that the smaller the unit size, the greater the density, the lower the rents can be.

1808
02:44:31,570 --> 02:44:36,050
the more you're actually going to have something that's truly affordable, whether it's for

1809
02:44:36,050 --> 02:44:42,630
sale or for rent, based on size of unit and zoning, we'll dictate that.

1810
02:44:43,190 --> 02:44:47,690
We know right now, some of the biggest complaints we've gotten from people in our community,

1811
02:44:48,010 --> 02:44:52,170
like the Hotel Hills for Residence is project on the corner that just went through the planning

1812
02:44:52,170 --> 02:44:52,570
commission.

1813
02:44:53,210 --> 02:44:56,870
So many people said, why don't they just turn those into condos or apartments?

1814
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:06,380
And the GMO doesn't allow for it. And so we get hotel rooms. And now people are looking at the

1815
02:45:06,380 --> 02:45:12,660
SIR development site, south of the bridge, saying we don't want another luxury hotel there. We want housing for locals.

1816
02:45:13,060 --> 02:45:24,200
And you can't do it based on the GMO. And you can't do it. You know, right now, obviously it's zone industrial. So you don't build anything there. But what it is, but I think that, you know, the planning piece,

1817
02:45:24,200 --> 02:45:30,800
happen in concurrent to this, whether it's density bonuses, a fee structure that really promote

1818
02:45:30,800 --> 02:45:35,860
smaller units like what we did for the accessory dwelling unit ordinance where we made fees,

1819
02:45:35,960 --> 02:45:41,320
you know much lower for smaller units, hopefully that those things happen part and parcel to whatever

1820
02:45:41,320 --> 02:45:49,940
we do here. So we actually yield the type of units that we want. I think I know we need rentals.

1821
02:45:49,940 --> 02:45:55,040
we have not built a project with five or more rental units since the year 2000, which was the year

1822
02:45:55,040 --> 02:46:00,340
and graduated high school. So to be clear, we are way behind on building rental units,

1823
02:46:01,860 --> 02:46:06,700
but we're also way behind on building everything else. And I think the geographic exemption

1824
02:46:06,700 --> 02:46:12,940
would yield rental or ownership opportunities. And if we were proactive about the type of zoning

1825
02:46:12,940 --> 02:46:18,780
that we need to do and communicating to the public of where we want those units to be,

1826
02:46:18,780 --> 02:46:22,280
I think that it would be easily understandable and palatable

1827
02:46:22,280 --> 02:46:25,100
because folks in our community have seen

1828
02:46:25,100 --> 02:46:26,780
what is currently happening.

1829
02:46:27,040 --> 02:46:28,940
I mean, I think that the unintended consequences

1830
02:46:28,940 --> 02:46:32,480
are clear as day when you see what is currently being built

1831
02:46:32,480 --> 02:46:37,040
in Hieldsburg, whether it's hotels or luxury condos

1832
02:46:37,780 --> 02:46:40,600
or high end homes in other parts of the community

1833
02:46:40,600 --> 02:46:42,760
that that's kind of all we're getting right now

1834
02:46:42,760 --> 02:46:46,240
or to our credit, we're building a lot of deed restricted

1835
02:46:46,240 --> 02:46:48,460
affordable, we're trying to build a lot of deed

1836
02:46:48,460 --> 02:46:54,640
restricted affordable rentals, but the reality is is but it's expensive and we don't have

1837
02:46:54,640 --> 02:47:00,420
a true meaningful source of income like if we had an inclusionary ordinance that was actually

1838
02:47:00,420 --> 02:47:04,760
producing at the rate if we had a bunch of market rate units, we would be able to produce

1839
02:47:04,760 --> 02:47:10,160
the number of affordable units we truly need. I think right now we've been really proactive

1840
02:47:10,160 --> 02:47:15,380
by getting it done, but I don't foresee that it's really dependent on tax credits and all of

1841
02:47:15,380 --> 02:47:23,500
financial structures that are not really guaranteed. And so we're kind of crossing our fingers every single year that we're going to get these grants to build those affordable projects.

1842
02:47:23,840 --> 02:47:33,570
But it's not as routine as it would be. We know we're going to build X number of market rate units each year, which means we're going to get 20% that's inclusionary every single year.

1843
02:47:34,300 --> 02:47:39,980
And whether that's for sale or for rent, those are like meaningful units that we don't have to build developers are building them.

1844
02:47:39,980 --> 02:47:45,680
So, I know I'm being very long-winded because I don't really get to talk about this a lot at

1845
02:47:45,680 --> 02:47:49,160
Council, but it's super important and I feel like everyone in the community is talking

1846
02:47:49,160 --> 02:47:50,640
about it every single day.

1847
02:47:51,720 --> 02:47:59,040
So I kind of leaned towards the geographical exemption honestly, but I think we have to do

1848
02:47:59,040 --> 02:48:07,580
it part and parcel to the changes to zoning and trying to limit unit size so we really get what

1849
02:48:07,580 --> 02:48:14,220
want and I think we're on the right track with doing the density study and otherwise. I have

1850
02:48:14,220 --> 02:48:20,280
concerns about the polling results on downtown. I think that people have a perception that

1851
02:48:20,280 --> 02:48:24,540
we're going to build a skyscraper on the Plaza, which obviously we don't want to do. And so

1852
02:48:24,540 --> 02:48:30,400
I think the land costs downtown is going to be one of those things where if you are going to buy a

1853
02:48:30,400 --> 02:48:37,440
personal, you know, next to the across from Hotel Hillsburg versus, sorry, hotels were number two.

1854
02:48:39,020 --> 02:48:44,800
Versus buying a plot by the community center, I think you're going to have a lot cheaper of a unit

1855
02:48:44,800 --> 02:48:51,000
option before they're away from the pausing you get. And so I do, I have concerns about

1856
02:48:51,000 --> 02:48:57,480
it feeling like we're just trying to build downtown, which I don't think is ideal. But I do

1857
02:48:57,480 --> 02:48:59,320
for some of the projects we're seeing downtown.

1858
02:48:59,520 --> 02:49:02,000
I would love to see some of those consider to be housing

1859
02:49:02,000 --> 02:49:03,620
and right now they can't be.

1860
02:49:04,360 --> 02:49:08,020
So, I do like the idea of the geographical exemption

1861
02:49:08,020 --> 02:49:11,320
as long as we're very clear that it's not gonna change

1862
02:49:11,320 --> 02:49:12,580
the character of downtown,

1863
02:49:12,640 --> 02:49:13,920
because I think that's one of the things

1864
02:49:13,920 --> 02:49:17,000
that makes Hildberg so unique in such a gem.

1865
02:49:17,500 --> 02:49:18,380
And we really have,

1866
02:49:18,380 --> 02:49:20,580
there's a lot of undeveloped parcels

1867
02:49:21,120 --> 02:49:22,940
the further away you get from the pauses.

1868
02:49:22,940 --> 02:49:27,940
So I'm open to looking at the geographical exemption,

1869
02:49:29,220 --> 02:49:31,020
which could get us the four sale units,

1870
02:49:31,580 --> 02:49:33,180
they could be moderate income,

1871
02:49:33,460 --> 02:49:36,940
we'll probably get some unintended luxury units,

1872
02:49:37,180 --> 02:49:39,100
but we'll also with all of those luxury units,

1873
02:49:39,580 --> 02:49:43,580
at minimum, get 20% that are inclusionary affordable.

1874
02:49:45,040 --> 02:49:47,120
So I'm also open to option two.

1875
02:49:47,200 --> 02:49:48,620
I just think at the end of the day,

1876
02:49:48,820 --> 02:49:50,320
it's not gonna yield very many units.

1877
02:49:50,320 --> 02:50:14,320
It's, you know, 50 per year, maximum, and they're only, you know, for rent, and we know from the community that they want for sale. So I would love to see us be able to do both and I think the geographical exemption gets us both for sale and for rent and only multifamily would be my goal in those areas where we know we need it.

1878
02:50:14,320 --> 02:50:33,940
Yeah, Councilmember Kelly, would you propose, you mentioned some zoning restrictions that would help focus on higher density and in multifamily units and also a size cap or something along those lines, right?

1879
02:50:33,940 --> 02:50:41,400
building that into a measure, or is that something that comes afterwards or, you know, as an

1880
02:50:41,400 --> 02:50:50,980
accessory to that, you know, down the road. I just worry about complicating, I appreciate your

1881
02:50:50,980 --> 02:50:57,180
your line of thought a lot, but I think that really in order to build those insurances into the

1882
02:50:58,340 --> 02:51:03,320
measure is going to make it more complicated. I'm not sure if that's what you had in mind or

1883
02:51:03,320 --> 02:51:05,040
that would work at all.

1884
02:51:05,120 --> 02:51:07,320
Thanks for the question and I appreciate

1885
02:51:07,320 --> 02:51:09,540
because it's not what I meant to say.

1886
02:51:10,340 --> 02:51:13,500
I don't think we should build any of that into the measure.

1887
02:51:13,940 --> 02:51:16,340
I think that that the zoning that exists

1888
02:51:16,340 --> 02:51:20,300
in the majority of that area already limits,

1889
02:51:20,640 --> 02:51:22,640
as far as I know, I guess south of the bridge,

1890
02:51:22,820 --> 02:51:23,900
we need an area plan anyways

1891
02:51:23,900 --> 02:51:26,620
because it's own kind of industrial and mixed use down there.

1892
02:51:26,700 --> 02:51:28,840
But I don't think you could build single family homes

1893
02:51:28,840 --> 02:51:30,800
and pretty much any of that area.

1894
02:51:30,800 --> 02:51:40,040
So it's really a matter of the zoning as it exists would prevent what we don't want, but we need to increase our density and do that.

1895
02:51:40,140 --> 02:51:51,620
The land use planning process separate from the ballot measure in an a concurrent process that we kind of already kicked off with the density study, but I wouldn't want to see us.

1896
02:51:51,620 --> 02:52:04,860
At any of that to the ballot measure because I think it will be confusing and I think it's really not doing planning at the ballot box is never a good idea and getting into the weeds. I think is where voters just say I don't understand this. I'm going to vote now.

1897
02:52:08,390 --> 02:52:09,510
Thank you.

1898
02:52:09,730 --> 02:52:10,290
Nice mayor.

1899
02:52:14,220 --> 02:52:14,520
Sorry.

1900
02:52:14,980 --> 02:52:17,920
Yeah, squeaky squeaky squeaky wheel here.

1901
02:52:18,540 --> 02:52:22,280
So I've been through two of those measures where we

1902
02:52:23,740 --> 02:52:31,060
really tried to carve out some opportunity to build of the GMO and that didn't work.

1903
02:52:31,540 --> 02:52:35,740
We talked about that and I think they were very conservative.

1904
02:52:36,300 --> 02:52:42,000
We intentionally were conservative because the GMO had failed so horribly with measure

1905
02:52:42,000 --> 02:52:45,340
R and a lot of consequences related to that.

1906
02:52:45,440 --> 02:52:50,060
So I think we were kind of walking on egg shells a little bit on trying to carve out

1907
02:52:50,060 --> 02:52:58,120
something. It didn't work. So for me, I don't want to do that again. And I feel like the second

1908
02:52:58,120 --> 02:53:05,380
option is really that. I'm not sure anything would get built. It's really just a little tweak.

1909
02:53:06,620 --> 02:53:17,980
I think we need to be bold and I don't know how bold this actually is, but the carving out the

1910
02:53:17,980 --> 02:53:47,960
And for a lot of the reasons, of course, I agree with what Council Member Kelly was saying, but also, the being able to purchase peace, you know, for for sale, we heard over and over and over again in the Inquintros, about people where they didn't even really want the rental low income rental housing, you're like, we want to buy something, we want to get a piece of the piece of this community for ourselves and build some wealth that

1911
02:53:47,960 --> 02:53:53,880
way. It was a really loud message. And at the time, I'm like, yeah, you know, that's, you know,

1912
02:53:54,040 --> 02:54:01,280
that's just not possible. And people, it felt like people were being sort of ungrateful if you

1913
02:54:01,280 --> 02:54:05,920
will for, you know, all this, all the work that we've been doing for creating all of the affordable

1914
02:54:05,920 --> 02:54:10,760
housing. And yet, you know, when you think about it, it perfectly makes perfect sense. It's really

1915
02:54:10,760 --> 02:54:18,400
the only way to get out of poverty is to be able to buy and not necessarily poverty, but to

1916
02:54:18,400 --> 02:54:21,080
be able to buy and create some equity.

1917
02:54:21,960 --> 02:54:24,260
So I think this option would give us that.

1918
02:54:24,440 --> 02:54:31,000
I think we can generate and create zoning and density rules afterwards, but we gotta get

1919
02:54:31,000 --> 02:54:33,400
the GMO gone first.

1920
02:54:33,400 --> 02:54:43,880
And I want, and simple, it can be simple, let's change the GMOs so that we can build housing for our middle income workers.

1921
02:54:44,820 --> 02:54:46,500
I mean, it can be that simple.

1922
02:54:47,880 --> 02:54:54,380
And we have the guardrails there because it would be zoned multi-family, right?

1923
02:54:54,460 --> 02:54:57,360
It's in the areas where we're talking about multi-family already.

1924
02:54:58,120 --> 02:55:02,660
So, I really think that that, I think we need to be a little bit bold here.

1925
02:55:02,660 --> 02:55:06,980
and take a risk and hope the voters get it.

1926
02:55:06,980 --> 02:55:09,040
And I think they might at this point.

1927
02:55:15,480 --> 02:55:17,060
I really appreciate that.

1928
02:55:17,380 --> 02:55:21,200
And I also wanted to mention, I think per the first conversation

1929
02:55:21,200 --> 02:55:25,820
we were having tonight regarding water use in the community,

1930
02:55:26,220 --> 02:55:28,960
I would be remiss and not mentioning that also

1931
02:55:28,960 --> 02:55:32,560
when we were looking at the climate mobilization strategy

1932
02:55:32,560 --> 02:55:35,100
and we were looking at the urban water management plan

1933
02:55:35,100 --> 02:55:36,460
that we adopted in 2020.

1934
02:55:36,460 --> 02:55:44,580
the reality of how much less water, multi-family housing is using, compared to single-family

1935
02:55:44,580 --> 02:55:51,640
homes, and the cost not just to purchase, but the cost to operate whenever we look at any of our

1936
02:55:51,640 --> 02:55:57,420
rate studies, whether it's electrical rates or water rates, that multi-family housing is so much

1937
02:55:57,420 --> 02:56:02,880
more affordable, even at market rate, because you're just using less, you're not watering your

1938
02:56:02,880 --> 02:56:06,960
landscape because you've shared landscape, you're typically, you know, your

1939
02:56:06,960 --> 02:56:10,460
electric rates, you're using less because you're in a smaller unit. So I

1940
02:56:10,460 --> 02:56:14,300
think it's from a efficiency standpoint and affordability standpoint,

1941
02:56:14,600 --> 02:56:18,660
having promoting more multifamily housing and creating policies that

1942
02:56:18,660 --> 02:56:23,660
allow it to get built is also, you know, it's climate smart, but it's like

1943
02:56:23,660 --> 02:56:27,680
more resilient for our community too. If we're going to build 30 more units

1944
02:56:27,680 --> 02:56:31,180
a year every single year and they're all multifamily, or sorry, they're all

1945
02:56:31,180 --> 02:56:37,580
family, we're making poor choices with respect to our limited resources. So, I just wanted to throw that in there as well.

1946
02:56:39,430 --> 02:56:41,470
All right, we've got some good discussion going.

1947
02:56:43,490 --> 02:56:45,110
The couple of things on that, I

1948
02:56:45,110 --> 02:56:51,070
Terry correct me if I were wrong, but the purple pipe that we're bringing, and I think the number for that 25 million

1949
02:56:51,070 --> 02:57:02,730
gallons of water that we're going to be basically drinking water that is now being replaced by

1950
02:57:03,470 --> 02:57:07,670
department's correct. So when the question is, where's the water going to come from? It's really

1951
02:57:07,670 --> 02:57:14,950
coming from what we as a community did during the drought and cutting back and really conserving

1952
02:57:14,950 --> 02:57:20,550
to the point that we could get that grant funding to get this purple pipe that was on the, you know,

1953
02:57:20,650 --> 02:57:28,150
that we were trying to get done for a long time in place. So that is happening. So there are a

1954
02:57:28,150 --> 02:57:30,870
things that I think are important to address,

1955
02:57:32,910 --> 02:57:40,390
so when I ran the first time, I also was running

1956
02:57:40,390 --> 02:57:49,650
when measure R was on the ballot and that was a very complicated ballot measure. There was

1957
02:57:49,650 --> 02:57:56,270
a lot of community input on that and one of the biggest things related to that and I'll just

1958
02:57:56,270 --> 02:58:01,790
be honest was trusting council at the time because there's a last second tweak. People then

1959
02:58:01,790 --> 02:58:06,750
trusted, oh council might change something and down the road. And so when I look at this,

1960
02:58:07,670 --> 02:58:17,210
you know, I would like to have rental and for sale, and I completely understand the concerns

1961
02:58:17,210 --> 02:58:21,930
from some members of the community when they see milder stricter montage or we've heard

1962
02:58:21,930 --> 02:58:26,050
public comment about, well, it's just going to be the super high-end stuff.

1963
02:58:27,590 --> 02:58:33,730
So I think, you know, we as a council have been very clear what our goals are.

1964
02:58:33,790 --> 02:58:38,230
I don't, I don't think anybody disputes that in terms of what we're trying to target and what we're

1965
02:58:38,230 --> 02:58:45,130
trying to do and that I think will then translate to the zoning side when we're having that discussion

1966
02:58:45,130 --> 02:58:48,430
once the GMO, hopefully, is passed.

1967
02:58:48,930 --> 02:58:52,490
Because now we have a clear direction from the community

1968
02:58:52,490 --> 02:58:54,810
that this is what we want.

1969
02:58:55,890 --> 02:58:58,490
And then that's when we dive into the weeds

1970
02:58:58,490 --> 02:59:02,950
on the zoning and to try to help shift it that way.

1971
02:59:05,900 --> 02:59:11,840
So I too would probably lean toward the geographic exclusion

1972
02:59:11,840 --> 02:59:13,740
option number one,

1973
02:59:15,900 --> 02:59:16,780
but with that,

1974
02:59:16,780 --> 02:59:23,960
I would want to go in and be able to really relate to the community where we're coming from

1975
02:59:23,960 --> 02:59:30,900
how we're going to do that because, well, I would love to have a Foss Creek bill as, you know,

1976
02:59:31,020 --> 02:59:34,760
condo project, someone bedroom, one bath in there.

1977
02:59:35,260 --> 02:59:43,020
You know, for, you know, but instead of that, it's all super high-end, luxury, massive units.

1978
02:59:43,020 --> 02:59:48,500
you know, there's something that we can do to control that as we're updated in the zone.

1979
02:59:48,960 --> 02:59:53,780
I think there is some, you know, I'm wondering what we can do between this time.

1980
02:59:53,780 --> 02:59:57,480
Say we say, okay, we're going to go for rent and for sale.

1981
02:59:58,940 --> 02:59:59,980
And what?

1982
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:10,300
This is it we can do to kind of signal the plans we're having for the zoning between now and the time that we go to the election.

1983
03:00:10,520 --> 03:00:14,800
Yeah, so I mean, are there some things that we can formulate?

1984
03:00:15,600 --> 03:00:22,280
You know, based on the recommendations from the huge that we can start.

1985
03:00:22,940 --> 03:00:25,440
Start that parallel process a little earlier.

1986
03:00:26,900 --> 03:00:34,400
Yeah, this challenge, certainly in terms of having anything in play at the time that the election

1987
03:00:34,400 --> 03:00:38,740
were to occur, but I think the council already kind of took that initial step with the downtown

1988
03:00:38,740 --> 03:00:42,580
housing capacity study and showed what that potential is.

1989
03:00:42,920 --> 03:00:48,640
I've heard from some that have parcels within that area that ask you know, when's the next step

1990
03:00:48,640 --> 03:00:49,720
of that?

1991
03:00:49,980 --> 03:00:54,660
I had the sense that they would wait for that zoning change because they want to be able to

1992
03:00:54,660 --> 03:01:00,700
to more smaller units, they don't want to have to do fewer larger units. At the end of the day,

1993
03:01:01,120 --> 03:01:08,340
the performers on those aren't all that easy to work out either, so I think there are some

1994
03:01:08,340 --> 03:01:15,260
that own properties that would probably wait, but I don't have a crystal ball, and I can't assure you

1995
03:01:15,260 --> 03:01:18,600
but that's the sense that I've heard from some.

1996
03:01:20,900 --> 03:01:27,820
Okay, um, so for now, I mean, I kind of,

1997
03:01:29,730 --> 03:01:33,530
this is a tough one because there's a side of like what, you know,

1998
03:01:33,970 --> 03:01:41,770
I we want and then there's the, what will pass based on perception or the fear

1999
03:01:41,770 --> 03:01:47,730
of what might happen or you know, and so there's a, there's a lot that's going on here

2000
03:01:47,730 --> 03:01:50,630
and a lot of great arguments on all sides.

2001
03:01:53,390 --> 03:01:56,750
And ownership opportunities are important.

2002
03:02:00,880 --> 03:02:05,060
And I mean, in terms of being out there knocking

2003
03:02:05,470 --> 03:02:06,780
on doors this November,

2004
03:02:07,560 --> 03:02:11,080
you know, the fact that no marker rate multifamily

2005
03:02:11,080 --> 03:02:12,620
apartments have been built.

2006
03:02:12,860 --> 03:02:18,040
It says 2000 is a pretty short little reason to say we need it.

2007
03:02:18,040 --> 03:02:23,260
you know, it kind of goes right to that like we need that there are people that are having a commute in that

2008
03:02:23,260 --> 03:02:29,080
somebody mentioned from Subastable and I hear it too, you know, they're commuted, they're renting

2009
03:02:29,080 --> 03:02:35,520
in Subastable, they could be renting here. So that's those are kind of my initial thoughts you want

2010
03:02:35,520 --> 03:02:43,500
to make a comment. I think it's very good. I think it's clear. I mean, we've heard, you know,

2011
03:02:43,500 --> 03:02:48,280
I've been to a lot of housing seminars about what is needed.

2012
03:02:48,680 --> 03:02:51,960
And I think that by signaling what we're looking for,

2013
03:02:52,500 --> 03:02:55,560
we're going to be attracting people because it's clear.

2014
03:02:56,020 --> 03:02:57,940
I mean, we said what we want to do with the GMO.

2015
03:02:58,080 --> 03:03:02,380
The council, we are very clear in telegraphing what we want to be built.

2016
03:03:02,600 --> 03:03:05,960
And I think that it would be hard for somebody not to hear what we're saying.

2017
03:03:06,900 --> 03:03:09,240
It'd be very easy for them to look at the history of Hillsburg.

2018
03:03:09,240 --> 03:03:12,400
Look at this council and there's five of us that are very clear

2019
03:03:12,400 --> 03:03:16,200
on the direction we want, but at the same time we're not telling them exactly how to build it.

2020
03:03:16,360 --> 03:03:21,380
We're saying these are the parameters we'd like to see and you can figure out how to how to make that work.

2021
03:03:22,160 --> 03:03:26,800
And I think we're sending a very strong message where you're united on wanting to get more units.

2022
03:03:27,720 --> 03:03:33,560
And, you know, when you look at measure R, when I read what the argument against it was,

2023
03:03:34,160 --> 03:03:38,980
was that if it were to pass we'd have this and it didn't pass and we got exactly what they said would happen if it passed.

2024
03:03:38,980 --> 03:03:43,900
So, I think it's important that this is very clear.

2025
03:03:44,360 --> 03:03:47,040
There's no ambiguity in what we're saying, what we're stating,

2026
03:03:47,760 --> 03:03:49,680
I don't know how to write it in a short paragraph,

2027
03:03:49,940 --> 03:03:52,640
but I think we're what we are wanting to use very clear.

2028
03:03:52,860 --> 03:03:53,880
That's over there.

2029
03:03:55,000 --> 03:03:57,600
I think we're very clear in what we're saying.

2030
03:04:01,740 --> 03:04:02,600
Come from here.

2031
03:04:04,840 --> 03:04:08,960
Yeah, I think the challenge is really pretty much political.

2032
03:04:08,960 --> 03:04:23,920
I mean, I am, I definitely am attracted to the option that gives us more potential, and that's option one as pretty clear, and I appreciate to call the people and, and the option two is less bold.

2033
03:04:24,080 --> 03:04:35,400
I get that. I'm still concerned about the political realities and you are articulated that pretty clearly. I mean, we're going to have one campaign for, you know,

2034
03:04:36,020 --> 03:04:39,440
a measure about the GMO and another campaign that we're going to do afterwards.

2035
03:04:40,220 --> 03:04:41,620
And that's what things get really tricky.

2036
03:04:41,840 --> 03:04:48,080
I mean, there's always going to be some distrust and people will exaggerate the worst-case

2037
03:04:48,080 --> 03:04:53,140
scenario when they, if they're opposed to this geographic option, they're going to tell you

2038
03:04:53,140 --> 03:04:57,780
that downtown's going to go all-mil district and you're going to hear all this kind of stuff.

2039
03:04:58,000 --> 03:05:04,060
And that's only tiny bit possible, but it's possible enough for people to say it and carry

2040
03:05:04,060 --> 03:05:11,040
some way in gather followers, you know, and then we're going to be, you know, having to, you know,

2041
03:05:11,580 --> 03:05:19,240
digest that the rationale, you know, in our opposition. And so it's, it's tricky. But,

2042
03:05:19,960 --> 03:05:24,280
so that, you know, that's pretty open-ended statement that. I don't know what really giving

2043
03:05:24,280 --> 03:05:30,700
any solutions on that, but that's, that's, that's, that's kind of where I, why landed where I have landed,

2044
03:05:30,700 --> 03:05:37,160
That being said, I'm not, I'm not going against the flow of this discussion right now.

2045
03:05:37,240 --> 03:05:40,180
I think there's some worries there.

2046
03:05:41,200 --> 03:05:41,700
Go ahead.

2047
03:05:41,920 --> 03:05:46,680
Yeah, I think that what you're saying is correct, that we are here in the community saying,

2048
03:05:47,040 --> 03:05:48,300
this is what we want to do.

2049
03:05:48,740 --> 03:05:55,160
We've had these listening sessions, we've had lots of meetings and they have, it is for

2050
03:05:55,160 --> 03:06:00,680
us to hear what they were saying to take what they want and formulate it into what

2051
03:06:00,680 --> 03:06:06,640
work. I mean, that's why we get paid the small bucks is to make those decisions. So I think

2052
03:06:06,640 --> 03:06:13,980
it's important that we take in what they're doing and then we come up. That's really the

2053
03:06:13,980 --> 03:06:18,740
declarary by tomorrow. I just want to say to you, I have my notes here that you know,

2054
03:06:18,740 --> 03:06:26,300
measure each loss in the presentation to measure each pass by 68% in 2020. I think that's significant

2055
03:06:26,300 --> 03:06:30,840
to think about that because we were changing it from rental to fore sale.

2056
03:06:30,840 --> 03:06:43,580
It seemed like a small tweak, but every, you know, it's a big percentage of people who voted for it, so I think, and if you read that ballot measure, it was really sick straight forward and simple.

2057
03:06:44,420 --> 03:06:49,100
So I think that this could also be straight forward and simple.

2058
03:06:50,540 --> 03:07:01,760
And then the messaging that we do, and we have a bunch of great 20, 40 people who weren't here during measure are, right?

2059
03:07:02,580 --> 03:07:09,190
So we've got a, we've got a, we've got a request for us with us.

2060
03:07:09,470 --> 03:07:15,190
And I think that would give us a lot more leverage as well with the community to understand.

2061
03:07:15,190 --> 03:07:19,450
And there's a lot of confidence in the 20, 40 group within this community.

2062
03:07:19,450 --> 03:07:24,490
So I think all of that, it's different and could be successful.

2063
03:07:25,710 --> 03:07:32,370
It's obviously, you know, this idea about building identity housing comes up and lots of different places.

2064
03:07:32,870 --> 03:07:40,550
And if we were just like, you know, connecting the thread there, that does helps sell the point.

2065
03:07:41,090 --> 03:07:43,770
I mean, those worries that I just talked about before, they're still there.

2066
03:07:43,770 --> 03:07:56,730
I mean, that I think does show that there's been a long protracted interest to end and following this model housing for the community.

2067
03:07:58,650 --> 03:08:11,970
Yeah, I think, you know, the concerns you raised. I think they are real. Those are, you know, I'm not dismissing the concerns or the fears that people have about, you know, the ultra luxury

2068
03:08:11,970 --> 03:08:21,710
that direction. But I think we need to be honest about what we are working to do. And it is

2069
03:08:21,710 --> 03:08:26,870
in response time and again for the entire time I've been on this council. We have been responsive

2070
03:08:26,870 --> 03:08:33,830
to the cries that we have heard from our packed council chamber. But people saying do something.

2071
03:08:34,450 --> 03:08:40,710
We need affordable housing. My families are moving away. Our kids can't come back home. We've

2072
03:08:40,710 --> 03:08:49,870
constantly, done that the community has repeatedly approved measures to improve that we have a

2073
03:08:49,870 --> 03:08:57,890
affordable housing TOT increase that past. We have done a lot as a community and then I think

2074
03:08:57,890 --> 03:09:05,710
repeatedly as a council we have been very aware of and hearing what the community members

2075
03:09:05,710 --> 03:09:08,270
that come here, pleading with us that do something.

2076
03:09:09,930 --> 03:09:12,950
I think we can do both.

2077
03:09:13,110 --> 03:09:17,190
We can listen to those pleas and really fight

2078
03:09:17,190 --> 03:09:20,030
for our community members that are really hurting.

2079
03:09:20,530 --> 03:09:24,090
And at the same time, be very sensitive to the concerns

2080
03:09:24,090 --> 03:09:26,810
of the people that have been here a long time

2081
03:09:26,810 --> 03:09:32,390
that have a distrust and counsel with some of the other things.

2082
03:09:32,390 --> 03:09:38,170
how, you know, I think that's where we need to be clear as council members, you know, when we're

2083
03:09:38,170 --> 03:09:45,570
out there talking to people, no, this is what we want. And I'm willing to take it to take a shot.

2084
03:09:48,130 --> 03:09:55,270
So yeah, I swear, I mean, councilmember Kelly. Thanks. I think also just to give staff the

2085
03:09:55,270 --> 03:10:01,870
direction, you know, we really want to create opportunities for for sale and for rent. It seems like

2086
03:10:01,870 --> 03:10:11,950
And that we're looking to not have it be luxury, more of what we're currently seeing get built on both ends of town right now.

2087
03:10:14,010 --> 03:10:25,790
So if there is a way, as we get these recommendations back, or as you guys are looking at bringing something back to us, is that accurate that we don't, I mean, I think we don't want more luxury housing.

2088
03:10:25,790 --> 03:10:55,770
And we want, you know, moderate housing for for middle income, you know, whether it's fixing come seniors or first time home buyers or families in our community that that those are the priorities and we don't necessarily know exactly how we want to get there, but we would we would we would love to have your recommendations on how we can do that in a in a way that's creating some meaningful opportunities to build more units and and maybe the next agenda item we can hear from you all what that might if there's a way with that.

2089
03:10:55,790 --> 03:11:17,350
out having to do the massive overhaul of zoning and the densities and the unit size, maximums or whatever it might be, what you recommend to us that we could potentially do in the ballot language or in concurrence in a separate process that we can start to launch into.

2090
03:11:17,710 --> 03:11:24,030
I don't know if that's possible but I'd love to kind of hear if it is in the next iteration of when this comes back to us.

2091
03:11:24,030 --> 03:11:47,850
I think I would like to like kind of separate, but maybe like when we when it does come back of here that, you know, two or three low hanging fruit things that immediate things that we could tackle if this GMO passes and within that there's some guidance that that's showing which direction we're going it's not going toward this ultra luxury that's what we want.

2092
03:11:47,850 --> 03:11:49,810
it's going toward no worse series.

2093
03:11:50,070 --> 03:11:53,910
We want the higher density, the efficient housing

2094
03:11:53,910 --> 03:11:57,410
that can accommodate this missing middle workforce.

2095
03:11:57,910 --> 03:12:00,650
And I want to reiterate, I want the ballot language

2096
03:12:00,650 --> 03:12:02,830
to be as simple as possible.

2097
03:12:03,370 --> 03:12:06,150
And that's always what you're up against

2098
03:12:06,150 --> 03:12:09,010
when you're trying to fix a complicated issue at the ballot,

2099
03:12:09,290 --> 03:12:11,710
which is why we have struggled.

2100
03:12:12,990 --> 03:12:17,090
But I think that's the part that, you know,

2101
03:12:17,090 --> 03:12:22,430
What we want staff to hopefully give us some ideas on, and then we can weigh kind of the political

2102
03:12:23,190 --> 03:12:29,070
Piece of it too because we know it's got to be palatable and understandable really easily when you just fly and down your ballot

2103
03:12:29,070 --> 03:12:35,240
And there's going to be it's going to be a full ballot in November. There's a lot on there. I look at it very simply is that we are

2104
03:12:35,830 --> 03:12:40,290
Hoping in the car we're looking at the GPS and staff is going to come up with the direction

2105
03:12:42,430 --> 03:12:44,590
I have faith in you

2106
03:12:44,590 --> 03:12:52,830
Well, we gave them the the destination. They need a navigator to. All right, so I do we have, uh,

2107
03:12:52,830 --> 03:12:58,970
is everybody comfortable with the discussion that we've had here tonight? Yeah. Okay. I really

2108
03:12:58,970 --> 03:13:04,670
appreciate, I mean, it's a very open discussion because this is going to be that it's, it's not going to

2109
03:13:04,670 --> 03:13:09,790
be easy, but I do think we need to be as transparent as possible with what we're trying to do and

2110
03:13:09,790 --> 03:13:13,530
and city manager, do you have enough in your side?

2111
03:13:13,910 --> 03:13:14,470
We do.

2112
03:13:14,950 --> 03:13:16,390
Well, first off, thank you.

2113
03:13:16,510 --> 03:13:17,090
I'm believe me.

2114
03:13:17,210 --> 03:13:19,610
We know how hard this is to wrestle with,

2115
03:13:20,030 --> 03:13:22,990
so we appreciate the process and the feedback work.

2116
03:13:25,290 --> 03:13:27,530
We, where we have majority support

2117
03:13:27,530 --> 03:13:29,650
to move toward a geographic exemption.

2118
03:13:29,830 --> 03:13:33,550
So we're going to get to work on some language.

2119
03:13:34,410 --> 03:13:37,270
They're one thing I won't ask you to do this tonight.

2120
03:13:37,510 --> 03:13:39,110
We have another item of significant

2121
03:13:39,110 --> 03:13:42,630
and it's been a long meeting, but one thing we'll have to nail down is

2122
03:13:43,570 --> 03:13:47,250
geography, so just sort of give you all some homework to be thinking about that.

2123
03:13:47,410 --> 03:13:50,910
We heard, and we understand the challenges around the downpounds,

2124
03:13:51,430 --> 03:13:55,470
we'll work on bringing you some thoughts and some options around that.

2125
03:13:55,630 --> 03:13:59,630
That was as you heard, that was that pulled the lowest of the four options.

2126
03:13:59,810 --> 03:14:06,030
We looked at, though, close to even, and we did a density study that showed great opportunity there.

2127
03:14:06,030 --> 03:14:14,490
So there's a paradox there and we'll try to work through some options, but I would just ask you all to be thinking about that in advance of the next conversation.

2128
03:14:15,230 --> 03:14:18,570
We absolutely hear you as well about what the goal is.

2129
03:14:18,650 --> 03:14:19,930
I think we're in a lot of step.

2130
03:14:20,210 --> 03:14:23,950
We put forth some thoughts in the presentation with I think similar sentiment.

2131
03:14:24,590 --> 03:14:27,030
We are not trying to create luxury housing here.

2132
03:14:27,990 --> 03:14:32,690
There's not going to be a perfect solution and how we preclude that, but we will absolutely,

2133
03:14:33,350 --> 03:14:42,510
be thinking hard about options that we might be able to put forward on a simple measure or in conjunction with a simple measure that helps that case.

2134
03:14:43,190 --> 03:14:44,250
So, thank you.

2135
03:14:44,750 --> 03:14:45,170
Thank you.

2136
03:14:46,090 --> 03:14:46,470
All right.

2137
03:14:47,050 --> 03:14:49,010
So, next up, we'll move on.

2138
03:14:49,030 --> 03:14:49,730
Thank you very much.

2139
03:14:49,930 --> 03:14:53,510
I appreciate presentation and everybody that stuck around.

2140
03:14:53,650 --> 03:14:55,470
We still have parts about to leave yet.

2141
03:14:55,930 --> 03:14:57,270
A lot of exciting stuff still.

2142
03:14:58,090 --> 03:14:58,430
Yeah.

2143
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:11,460
Step item, let's just eight or nine. Nine, a socio-hills and bachelor park design priorities and phasing. So for this one, we'll do it in two parts.

2144
03:15:13,060 --> 03:15:19,920
I'll hang out for the first one and I'm turn it over to the vice mayor when I step off because I live right next.

2145
03:15:21,720 --> 03:15:25,760
So I will need to recuse for that so we'll split it up.

2146
03:15:28,280 --> 03:15:28,580
Welcome.

2147
03:15:29,640 --> 03:15:30,480
Thank you, Mayor.

2148
03:15:30,760 --> 03:15:31,220
Members of council.

2149
03:15:31,700 --> 03:15:34,420
Hopefully you've dried out from Saturdays event.

2150
03:15:34,620 --> 03:15:35,240
That was a fun one.

2151
03:15:35,280 --> 03:15:36,600
Thanks for reading there for all that.

2152
03:15:36,720 --> 03:15:37,260
It was a good time.

2153
03:15:37,960 --> 03:15:39,060
So next slide, please.

2154
03:15:40,200 --> 03:15:45,760
So as a mayor said, I've structured this into essentially an overview of the full process.

2155
03:15:46,120 --> 03:15:47,780
And then splitting up first,

2156
03:15:47,960 --> 03:15:48,760
Badger Park.

2157
03:15:48,960 --> 03:15:50,420
And then second, Sagio Hills Park.

2158
03:15:50,520 --> 03:15:53,280
So the mayor can we queues himself at that point.

2159
03:15:53,580 --> 03:15:54,080
Next slide, please.

2160
03:15:55,580 --> 03:16:00,480
So this is continuing to move forward on a long road, right?

2161
03:16:01,900 --> 03:16:08,340
But hopefully Saturday, give us all, including the community, some inspiration that things will happen.

2162
03:16:08,660 --> 03:16:10,720
It just takes a while in Hillsburg.

2163
03:16:11,000 --> 03:16:13,440
And so we'll get there.

2164
03:16:14,280 --> 03:16:19,060
And I think we might get there starting next year if things go well, that's my goal at this point.

2165
03:16:19,060 --> 03:16:25,040
So really this process started back in 2019 as we began to develop the master plan for both

2166
03:16:25,040 --> 03:16:30,100
Badger Park and Sagio Hills development. One of the key things that really triggered Badger

2167
03:16:30,100 --> 03:16:33,720
Park is the need for restrooms. We'll talk a little bit about that tonight. That was the

2168
03:16:33,720 --> 03:16:39,040
impetus and that kind of grew into a lot we should really talk about the longer term plan. I'm not sure

2169
03:16:39,040 --> 03:16:43,080
if that was the best move at the time. Now we'll give in funding but it seemed like a right move

2170
03:16:43,080 --> 03:16:48,580
at the time and I think we're still okay. We've got a good vision for the project. The city contract

2171
03:16:48,580 --> 03:16:54,460
go to Fletcher Studios and I think one of the really strong parts of this project is that we had

2172
03:16:54,460 --> 03:16:59,560
a large community representation in the master planning process. We had about 50 people on a

2173
03:16:59,560 --> 03:17:04,900
parks design team, about 30 were active, including Council Member Herod when he was on the commission.

2174
03:17:06,100 --> 03:17:12,360
And those folks stayed through the fires and COVID and multiple delays that we experience as a

2175
03:17:12,360 --> 03:17:16,260
all to just things that happened during that time frame. Next slide, please.

2176
03:17:18,080 --> 03:17:22,840
So this slide demonstrates kind of where we are graphically in the planning process.

2177
03:17:23,760 --> 03:17:29,220
So for Sajjo Hills, we've completed the master plan and the sequence documents.

2178
03:17:29,280 --> 03:17:36,640
And you accepted that back last fall. For Baja Park, we expect that to come forward to you this summer,

2179
03:17:38,820 --> 03:17:54,960
So we're now moving into the blue stage and that's really the design development and the construction drawings that's taking these high vision kind of really cool ideas and saying, okay, well, here's how much money we have and here's how we can put those together and actually make those things happen.

2180
03:17:54,960 --> 03:17:59,740
Once we have those documents completed, design development and construction drawings,

2181
03:18:00,820 --> 03:18:03,100
the intent is, as long as everything goes this plan,

2182
03:18:03,440 --> 03:18:05,740
when we're right into construction next year.

2183
03:18:05,960 --> 03:18:10,360
So we'll get in the ground during the dry season, depending on the scope of work,

2184
03:18:11,020 --> 03:18:14,440
we'll dictate on how much we can get done in 2025,

2185
03:18:14,440 --> 03:18:17,260
more than likely it'll continue in a 2026,

2186
03:18:17,420 --> 03:18:21,080
especially for side data health since it's a bit bigger project.

2187
03:18:21,560 --> 03:18:22,140
Next slide, please.

2188
03:18:23,680 --> 03:18:29,680
So, I mentioned some of the more recent work in September, you reviewed these plans, you

2189
03:18:29,680 --> 03:18:35,880
directed that they move into the SQL process in August, you proved the SQL study and

2190
03:18:35,880 --> 03:18:40,120
the final master plan for Sajro Health, so that continues to move forward, and the summer

2191
03:18:40,120 --> 03:18:42,700
we expect to bring forward the Bachelor Park project.

2192
03:18:42,980 --> 03:18:47,880
I don't think our timing tonight is an issue in terms of not having the SQL document done.

2193
03:18:47,880 --> 03:18:53,340
haven't been any major issues that have come up with Badger Park, so I think we're in line with

2194
03:18:53,340 --> 03:18:58,300
the master plan with some environmental impacts, and I'm not seeing major issues in giving

2195
03:18:58,300 --> 03:19:03,300
direction tonight and how we put together the design contract. Next slide please.

2196
03:19:04,960 --> 03:19:11,540
So, one of the things that we'll talk about tonight are these costs, and we did have what was considered

2197
03:19:11,540 --> 03:19:17,860
an order of magnitude costs that was part of the master planning process. So, basically, the design

2198
03:19:17,860 --> 03:19:27,740
19 had a cost estimator on board and that cost estimator looked at the intent of those master plans and said okay we're going to do a sports facility

2199
03:19:27,740 --> 03:19:42,160
Here are some of the elements that go into it here in the cost estimates based on our past experience that now is dated about two years old or so maybe a little bit older than that but it does give us kind of a ballpark and where we

2200
03:19:42,160 --> 03:19:44,340
are at in terms of costs for these,

2201
03:19:44,340 --> 03:19:45,860
sorry, you know, button and dead end.

2202
03:19:46,100 --> 03:19:49,420
And at the time, all in all costs in all construction,

2203
03:19:49,600 --> 03:19:51,100
all inspection, you know,

2204
03:19:51,240 --> 03:19:54,080
Badger Park was pushing that $13 million range,

2205
03:19:54,500 --> 03:19:58,140
and Sajo Hill Park was pushing that $32 million,

2206
03:19:58,140 --> 03:19:59,720
again, all in with all costs.

2207
03:20:00,440 --> 03:20:01,900
So what we'll talk about tonight is,

2208
03:20:02,020 --> 03:20:03,460
we only have a certain amount of money.

2209
03:20:04,000 --> 03:20:07,580
And so how can we make some really beneficial things happen

2210
03:20:07,580 --> 03:20:09,060
with the money that we have?

2211
03:20:09,160 --> 03:20:09,820
Next slide, please.

2212
03:20:10,960 --> 03:20:20,060
So, when we were sitting around the table in June of 2022, things were quite different in the financial world.

2213
03:20:20,160 --> 03:20:34,940
And I think Andrew Katie put together a really creative way to finance a significant amount of this park work by essentially issuing bonds that were backed by transient occupancy tax for TOT.

2214
03:20:34,940 --> 03:20:42,440
And the amount we're looking at that time was in 20 to 30 million dollars, plus the funding that we have in the bank that we'll talk about tonight.

2215
03:20:43,460 --> 03:20:49,040
A lot of things changed since then. Number one, interest rates rose right away after that, right?

2216
03:20:50,100 --> 03:20:59,300
TOT really hasn't met projections, but then the other big component our impact to this is that, you know, our project costs for the fully family pavilion or fish mountain.

2217
03:21:00,540 --> 03:21:05,060
And for the preschool program, they came in significantly higher.

2218
03:21:05,580 --> 03:21:11,220
Hopefully, after seeing Fitch Mountains work, that was a well, that was a good investment.

2219
03:21:11,840 --> 03:21:18,700
Those are really long-term investments that will remain here for 50 years before they need to be redone.

2220
03:21:19,760 --> 03:21:26,880
Hopefully, that's a demonstration that those investments were well thought out and well made, even though they were more than what we thought.

2221
03:21:26,880 --> 03:21:28,040
Next slide, please.

2222
03:21:30,240 --> 03:21:31,080
So here's where we're at.

2223
03:21:31,520 --> 03:21:38,880
For Badger Park, we have a total of about $2 million in funding available to us.

2224
03:21:39,080 --> 03:21:45,220
We're fortunate to have the Ag and OpenSpace grant that will be about $1 million and we have

2225
03:21:45,220 --> 03:21:50,380
other funds that are used to make up our local match, this required for that grant program.

2226
03:21:51,020 --> 03:21:52,860
For the Sajad Hills Park, we're better off.

2227
03:21:52,940 --> 03:21:57,380
We have about 7.67, 7.6 million or 7.7 million.

2228
03:21:57,380 --> 03:22:01,740
We also received a million dollar grant from the African open space for side of your hills.

2229
03:22:02,280 --> 03:22:06,220
We have the part development contribution that's we'll talk a bit about more tonight.

2230
03:22:06,580 --> 03:22:11,820
We have the multi-purpose trail contribution, the Creek Restoration and the Crosswalk contribution.

2231
03:22:12,940 --> 03:22:16,820
So you can see the number up there 3.4 million to the multi-purpose trail.

2232
03:22:17,140 --> 03:22:21,620
Does that mean we need to spend every 3.4 million dollars on that multi-purpose trail?

2233
03:22:22,020 --> 03:22:25,660
It doesn't. That's what the contribution is based on the estimates that we had at the time.

2234
03:22:25,660 --> 03:22:32,000
So, as we go through design development, there can be decisions that are made, for example,

2235
03:22:32,380 --> 03:22:39,100
maybe that section of trail is DG instead of betuminous, that would be a cost savings could be applied to other areas.

2236
03:22:39,480 --> 03:22:48,820
That's not how where we would start, but that we could look at that option as things progress in the design development we look at costs and how that all comes in.

2237
03:22:48,820 --> 03:23:02,260
Um, these cost estimates for the multipurpose trial in the creek were done about a year and a half ago, but they did include an inflationary factor, hopefully costs are coming down a bit, maybe, obviously, optimistic.

2238
03:23:03,400 --> 03:23:08,000
So that's our total funding package as of right now. Next slide, please.

2239
03:23:10,600 --> 03:23:16,620
So back in 2022, we thought maybe we'll be able to add some more dollars to these projects

2240
03:23:16,620 --> 03:23:17,880
and make some things happen.

2241
03:23:18,460 --> 03:23:23,280
Based on where we're at in the budget process, that does not appear feasible over the

2242
03:23:23,280 --> 03:23:24,620
next two years.

2243
03:23:25,080 --> 03:23:27,280
Once we go beyond two years, it's a possibility.

2244
03:23:27,620 --> 03:23:34,720
So we basically have the $2 million for a budget park to work with, and we have about 7.6 million

2245
03:23:34,720 --> 03:23:36,340
for a size of a hill to work with.

2246
03:23:36,340 --> 03:23:44,820
Those are fairly good chunks of money. To give you an idea, the project at Fitch Mountain with

2247
03:23:44,820 --> 03:23:51,960
improvements that are there, that was about a $3 million construction project all and with contingency

2248
03:23:51,960 --> 03:23:58,020
and other elements. And we're still working closely in that project out. So we don't see extra

2249
03:23:58,020 --> 03:24:02,660
money coming in the next year budget cycle, but we need to start spending these dollars because

2250
03:24:02,660 --> 03:24:08,940
every day we do, they lose value, right, inflation continues to happen, and we have some grant deadlines

2251
03:24:08,940 --> 03:24:13,440
coming up that won't be extended for average, so we really want to get in the ground to get

2252
03:24:13,440 --> 03:24:19,160
the work going and get the grant contracts in place so that money is locked up. So what we're

2253
03:24:19,160 --> 03:24:23,840
asking for you tonight is in the gray box, to talk about priorities and we'll give you the

2254
03:24:23,840 --> 03:24:27,880
commission's recommendation and then that carries over in the staff's recommendation and we

2255
03:24:27,880 --> 03:24:33,720
would take those priorities and develop the scope of work for the design development and construction

2256
03:24:33,720 --> 03:24:36,880
drawings for each of these two projects.

2257
03:24:38,520 --> 03:24:41,660
So a lot of background, any questions up to this point.

2258
03:24:42,560 --> 03:24:43,260
Okay, great.

2259
03:24:43,480 --> 03:24:47,540
So I think we're going to move right into Bajra Park then, if I remember correctly.

2260
03:24:49,660 --> 03:24:54,740
So as I mentioned previously, the really the emphasis between behind this project was

2261
03:24:54,740 --> 03:24:56,860
to install flush toilet restaurants at Badger Park.

2262
03:24:57,880 --> 03:25:01,980
And the scoping kind of group, it didn't really grow,

2263
03:25:02,100 --> 03:25:04,820
but it was a good move because we wanted to look at wealth.

2264
03:25:05,100 --> 03:25:06,920
If we need to replace the place structure eventually,

2265
03:25:07,080 --> 03:25:07,820
there's other elements.

2266
03:25:09,080 --> 03:25:11,400
And this whole concept of how do we make river access?

2267
03:25:11,600 --> 03:25:13,920
Was really important to the council at the time

2268
03:25:13,920 --> 03:25:14,760
as one of their goals.

2269
03:25:15,700 --> 03:25:18,620
And so rather than tackling each one of those independently,

2270
03:25:18,740 --> 03:25:20,440
we put them all together in a master plan.

2271
03:25:21,700 --> 03:25:24,400
So the proposed master plan, it's not final,

2272
03:25:24,400 --> 03:25:25,800
because you haven't adopted it yet.

2273
03:25:25,960 --> 03:25:28,160
But it really has three different folk series.

2274
03:25:28,680 --> 03:25:30,780
And I'm going to show you drawing next that shows these.

2275
03:25:30,960 --> 03:25:33,980
The first is the riverfront work in the river access.

2276
03:25:34,720 --> 03:25:37,000
The second are park amenity upgrades,

2277
03:25:37,520 --> 03:25:41,540
and the third are kind of reshaping and renovating

2278
03:25:41,540 --> 03:25:43,640
those existing general use areas.

2279
03:25:44,100 --> 03:25:44,960
So next slide, please.

2280
03:25:47,180 --> 03:25:49,940
So A in the kind of dark blue color,

2281
03:25:50,500 --> 03:25:52,280
that's all the riverfront work

2282
03:25:52,280 --> 03:25:59,140
that is specifically funded in the open space grant and the $1 million.

2283
03:25:59,900 --> 03:26:05,780
It includes creating a natural sustainable trail along the river.

2284
03:26:06,080 --> 03:26:11,600
It includes removal of invasive species and it includes ways to interact with the river.

2285
03:26:11,800 --> 03:26:18,880
It's a little hard to see in this, but right where the mouse is pointing is, for example, a canoe and kayak launch area.

2286
03:26:18,880 --> 03:26:29,520
So these are master plan level. These are concepts during design development. We would narrow that down and say here's where we go and here's where we would look where it would what it would look like at that point.

2287
03:26:29,520 --> 03:26:40,920
B are kind of those park amenities, so the grant allows us to develop park amenities that support riverfront access.

2288
03:26:41,620 --> 03:26:48,240
So things like expanded parking if we decided we needed that flush toilet restrooms because they support river access.

2289
03:26:49,260 --> 03:26:58,500
Those are eligible expenditures under the grant program, renovating the community garden or putting in a new place structure.

2290
03:26:59,180 --> 03:27:03,780
They're not eligible expenses. So those dollars have to come from another source.

2291
03:27:04,340 --> 03:27:08,420
And then the seed portion of this is kind of reshaping the existing area.

2292
03:27:08,460 --> 03:27:12,960
There's a large turf area that will be going back and doing some seeding and things like that.

2293
03:27:12,960 --> 03:27:19,540
that we have access to more water, but then also doing some improvements on the far west side

2294
03:27:19,540 --> 03:27:25,360
to create kind of like a nature play area. Those are all really cool elements. Those are not

2295
03:27:25,360 --> 03:27:33,060
grant eligible. Those would be considered either renovation or amenities that don't support that

2296
03:27:33,060 --> 03:27:42,060
river access component. Next slide, please. So these are just some dialed in drawings that you've

2297
03:27:42,060 --> 03:27:50,780
seen before, this basically shows how we would go through, create a trail along the river using the existing probably foot track that goes through that now,

2298
03:27:51,020 --> 03:27:57,320
or moving invasive species like the English IV, or moving some of the dead trees that are not used for habitat.

2299
03:27:58,020 --> 03:28:04,580
Fortunately, you know, Russian river keeper and our fire department other folks have done a lot of our work in terms of the Rondo removal.

2300
03:28:05,040 --> 03:28:13,180
It's quite different if you walk that little trail down there now, then it was even a year ago, and so there's a lot of work that's already preceded this.

2301
03:28:13,480 --> 03:28:20,020
Some of the other elements that portrayed here, like there's an area we called Will Island, those probably wouldn't happen in this phase.

2302
03:28:20,320 --> 03:28:27,640
There's not a huge recreational value, it's a cool area, but really we're looking at how do we, how do we get the best value of the dollars that we have.

2303
03:28:28,180 --> 03:28:30,480
So that's the riverfront area. Next slide, please.

2304
03:28:31,980 --> 03:28:36,980
These are images. This would be more of the land reshapings of things that are really not

2305
03:28:36,980 --> 03:28:40,960
ground eligible, but I want to make sure we included them in here. Next slide, please.

2306
03:28:43,630 --> 03:28:50,210
And this is an aerial rendering of the improvements showing the expanded community garden

2307
03:28:50,210 --> 03:28:56,830
and new place structure, realign parking, relocating the dog park, kind of reshaping the

2308
03:28:56,830 --> 03:29:04,730
area and the next slide I think is probably the best view of what this vision is for this

2309
03:29:04,730 --> 03:29:13,570
part. So you're looking essentially over the existing electric substation, looking towards

2310
03:29:13,570 --> 03:29:17,370
the southwest and the Russian river in the background.

2311
03:29:22,060 --> 03:29:30,520
Next slide, please. Tell me if you need to

2312
03:29:30,520 --> 03:29:32,080
County Ag and Open Space.

2313
03:29:34,340 --> 03:29:38,340
It can be used for things like creating a riverfront trail system,

2314
03:29:38,600 --> 03:29:45,580
canoe and kayak access, general riverfront work, the restrooms, but it can't be used for existing

2315
03:29:45,580 --> 03:29:50,000
facilities or replacing aging infrastructure in the park. Next slide, please.

2316
03:29:53,240 --> 03:29:54,240
So, let's say something

2317
03:29:54,240 --> 03:29:59,980
happens and additional fundings identified. There are some things that we could essentially

2318
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:06,420
Bring into the project at that point, like replacing the place structure, which is, well, getting

2319
03:30:06,420 --> 03:30:11,440
really close to the end of life. It's well over 20 years old. We're able to maintain it,

2320
03:30:11,440 --> 03:30:16,800
parts are still available, but it is starting to age renovating the dog park and relocating that.

2321
03:30:16,900 --> 03:30:20,960
Those are things that could be considered in the future if there is additional funding. And then we have

2322
03:30:20,960 --> 03:30:25,960
our entire facilities assessment that talks about other deferred maintenance work. New amenities would

2323
03:30:25,960 --> 03:30:30,660
include things like the sports courts, the natural play experience on the west side, and then

2324
03:30:30,660 --> 03:30:35,200
shade for the play structure. I think if we did a new play structure, shade would be integral into

2325
03:30:35,200 --> 03:30:40,800
that because that's just really what you need to have in California's hot and sunny summers.

2326
03:30:41,400 --> 03:30:46,980
Excitely. So the Parks and Recreation Commission considered this that they're meeting last month,

2327
03:30:47,780 --> 03:30:52,880
and basically they concur with kind of the funding direction that we have set up for this. That we

2328
03:30:52,880 --> 03:31:02,040
pursue the riverfront access improvements. We should do the flush toilets and then make sure

2329
03:31:02,040 --> 03:31:07,700
whatever we do in terms of other kinds of improvements for the park area, they don't, they aren't

2330
03:31:07,700 --> 03:31:12,680
affected by the overall master plan. So I want to make sure if we do install flush toilet

2331
03:31:12,680 --> 03:31:18,860
restrooms, we do in such a way that the renovation of the rest of the park could come at another

2332
03:31:18,860 --> 03:31:24,880
time without creating a major issue. So as Park has a lot of utilities in it, it's got a lot of water

2333
03:31:24,880 --> 03:31:30,360
services, electric lines, it thinks like that, we work around all of that. So if you concur,

2334
03:31:30,800 --> 03:31:36,820
what we put together for the next phase of work is the actual scope of work for the design

2335
03:31:36,820 --> 03:31:41,880
development, and the construction drawings that would focus on the river access components,

2336
03:31:42,600 --> 03:31:47,800
flush toilets and then if there is available funding as we go through that the more refined

2337
03:31:47,800 --> 03:31:54,480
planning process, it could potentially focus on other work like agent components, as long

2338
03:31:54,480 --> 03:32:00,300
as it fit within the grant rules and the matching grant dollars. So that is Badger Park.

2339
03:32:02,690 --> 03:32:12,010
Thank you. So we'll cover this one and then I'll split for a little bit. So let's start with the

2340
03:32:12,010 --> 03:32:14,250
Palmer Parks and Rec Commissioner.

2341
03:32:16,050 --> 03:32:18,090
Oh, most recent one.

2342
03:32:26,110 --> 03:32:28,030
I'm happy with this plan forward.

2343
03:32:28,350 --> 03:32:31,830
I think I was at the Parks Commission meeting

2344
03:32:31,830 --> 03:32:35,430
and I thought they'd given a lot of thought to this.

2345
03:32:35,550 --> 03:32:38,530
And I really appreciate that input that went into it.

2346
03:32:39,150 --> 03:32:42,170
And it's also fairly narrow path to follow in terms of the grants.

2347
03:32:42,170 --> 03:32:50,410
stuff, so, I don't know how an alternative really would take shape in this scenario,

2348
03:32:53,190 --> 03:32:53,290
but, you

2349
03:32:53,290 --> 03:33:01,250
know, flush toilets, that's a scolding to me, you know, and anybody who's a brother

2350
03:33:01,250 --> 03:33:08,410
kid to that park, you know, and heard those dreaded words, I kind of poop, it's awful.

2351
03:33:08,410 --> 03:33:12,350
And it was a transformational moment for me, you know, when that happens,

2352
03:33:12,590 --> 03:33:14,490
like a city can do better now here, I am.

2353
03:33:15,050 --> 03:33:16,530
And I'm really happy to see that change happening.

2354
03:33:17,050 --> 03:33:19,610
But also the river accessing this focus on that too,

2355
03:33:19,670 --> 03:33:23,410
because it's a, that's been a goal for the city council.

2356
03:33:24,210 --> 03:33:27,510
I think decades on and off, maybe I don't know.

2357
03:33:27,810 --> 03:33:30,350
But I mean, so that there's a lot of history with that.

2358
03:33:30,410 --> 03:33:32,810
And so if we can tackle that first, I think that's really meaningful.

2359
03:33:32,810 --> 03:33:41,370
And my only concern is once you get a certain pathway established and other things built,

2360
03:33:42,470 --> 03:33:48,270
is it going to be like this expensive perhaps challenge to get the equipment past that,

2361
03:33:48,410 --> 03:33:49,990
to do the other parts later on.

2362
03:33:51,330 --> 03:33:53,890
And I assume that's just a technical thing that we've got to get worked out,

2363
03:33:54,090 --> 03:34:01,410
but I at this point I don't imagine it would be easy to do a piecemeal on terms of,

2364
03:34:01,410 --> 03:34:05,490
putting the various parts together, you know, you might want to do them in

2365
03:34:05,490 --> 03:34:12,690
order if you're going at all at once, right? But, um, so I got, thank you.

2366
03:34:13,210 --> 03:34:16,370
Other parts and wreck commissioner for me. Thank you, Mayor.

2367
03:34:17,150 --> 03:34:22,630
So I do agree on the priorities of river access and flush toilets, and I think like

2368
03:34:22,630 --> 03:34:28,730
council member Herid, that was one of my earliest memories of feeling like why is the

2369
03:34:28,730 --> 03:34:35,150
not prioritizing investing in our parks when you have to take a toddler to a port of potty.

2370
03:34:37,150 --> 03:34:43,810
So I'm really happy to see that we're moving in this direction and that toddler is now 10 years old.

2371
03:34:44,490 --> 03:34:44,830
So pretty.

2372
03:34:48,950 --> 03:34:57,770
But I do, I'm curious. So are we looking at going back to Agonopen's base to apply

2373
03:34:57,770 --> 03:35:02,790
for additional grant funding, because I know that there are several other park projects across

2374
03:35:02,790 --> 03:35:08,070
the county that have gone back from multiple phases of funding for the same park.

2375
03:35:08,450 --> 03:35:13,730
And they've recently changed the grant process so it used to be data open at once of

2376
03:35:13,730 --> 03:35:18,550
re-two years and now it's on a rolling basis and they've changed the criteria of the program.

2377
03:35:19,490 --> 03:35:23,930
So I wonder if there is an opportunity to seek additional funding before we ultimately

2378
03:35:23,930 --> 03:35:28,030
You know, move, move into development on this park, have you?

2379
03:35:29,170 --> 03:35:32,990
Yeah, that's a good question. I did participate in their webinar last week that they had,

2380
03:35:33,390 --> 03:35:39,510
and it was, I had a little bit of a challenge understanding the context. They seem to stress that

2381
03:35:40,030 --> 03:35:45,150
their revised grant program. So it is a rolling grant, but it's kind of rolling, but they want

2382
03:35:45,150 --> 03:35:48,530
applications at a certain time of the year. So it's not like open for any time.

2383
03:35:53,430 --> 03:35:53,910
They want

2384
03:35:53,910 --> 03:35:58,350
would put us in definitely, because they don't want projects like this sitting out there for years, right?

2385
03:35:59,590 --> 03:36:06,210
I'll need to talk to them again. I do want to follow up because I was confused, a bit confused on,

2386
03:36:06,290 --> 03:36:11,530
it sounds like they are not funding any kind of recreation projects anymore.

2387
03:36:11,730 --> 03:36:18,930
It's all has to be open space targeted and you may know more from the community,

2388
03:36:18,930 --> 03:36:30,730
But that's the inference I got in the presentation or at least the weighting of the applications would be more targeted towards open space projects than they would recreational components.

2389
03:36:31,310 --> 03:36:36,770
The riverfront access, I think it's definitely open space. I think that would be something we could pursue.

2390
03:36:37,290 --> 03:36:42,310
So the answer, long answer, is absolutely, we'll go after more funding.

2391
03:36:43,610 --> 03:36:49,670
I did have a chance to talk to Mr. Erius on Saturday, you know, and so they know that

2392
03:36:49,670 --> 03:36:52,910
we're moving forward and I think that would be a good thing.

2393
03:36:53,630 --> 03:36:57,370
If we weren't moving forward, we'd have our time, I think, in the application process.

2394
03:36:58,110 --> 03:36:58,390
Absolutely.

2395
03:36:59,110 --> 03:37:05,090
And I know some of the things that we've here a lot for specific park needs, obviously,

2396
03:37:05,090 --> 03:37:11,590
as you mentioned, the aging playground equipment and just in general kind of shifting away from the old

2397
03:37:11,590 --> 03:37:17,410
metal and plastic structures into more, you know, natural materials like what they're proposing

2398
03:37:17,410 --> 03:37:24,690
at the mill district park. Sorry, yeah, mill district park that that would be, you know, a priority

2399
03:37:24,690 --> 03:37:31,690
for the community of funding presents itself, but then also dog park users are, you know, very interested

2400
03:37:31,690 --> 03:37:35,450
in having more off-leash areas for larger dogs,

2401
03:37:35,730 --> 03:37:38,450
which I think in a lot of ways in the community,

2402
03:37:38,570 --> 03:37:42,430
people are already using Badger Park as an off-leash

2403
03:37:42,430 --> 03:37:47,210
large dog park, which is not necessarily allowed,

2404
03:37:47,370 --> 03:37:49,170
but what's happening there anyways,

2405
03:37:50,450 --> 03:37:52,710
but it's not fence, so it's kind of,

2406
03:37:52,710 --> 03:37:54,490
I think if we had more river access,

2407
03:37:54,810 --> 03:37:56,050
I don't know at least for my dog,

2408
03:37:56,350 --> 03:37:58,730
he wouldn't come back, he would just head to the river.

2409
03:37:58,730 --> 03:38:13,110
So, if we did want to see more, you know, looking at that large space there, I don't think it would be that challenging to create, you know, more area for, for dogs especially since that dog park is is I think for just for smaller dogs.

2410
03:38:13,110 --> 03:38:26,110
And then the obviously the pickleball community, very active, very vocal, and wanting to see us create more pickleball courts.

2411
03:38:26,430 --> 03:38:31,970
And so I think in the original conversation about Badger Park, there was a sport court conversation.

2412
03:38:32,490 --> 03:38:34,710
It wasn't necessarily just specific.

2413
03:38:36,270 --> 03:38:51,350
I know that that's I don't know if because the the court of the high school are now online if the pressure to create more courts has kind of subsided or if you're still hearing from folks that they want to see us really prioritized the development of pickle all courts.

2414
03:38:52,750 --> 03:39:10,630
Absolutely, they're interested in more pickleball courts where you are tracking their use right now and so we have, you know, really good data that, you know, seems to support, you know, there could be a modest increase in pickleball courts, but I think in Hillsburg there are now 17 total between public and private.

2415
03:39:10,630 --> 03:39:20,710
And really this site that's been targeted so far for pickleball in terms of what meets their needs and at least four courts is in the side of Hell's Park.

2416
03:39:20,950 --> 03:39:26,310
This isn't the master plan didn't envision that large of a complex here in terms of sports courts.

2417
03:39:26,530 --> 03:39:32,990
And we kept sports courts generic because needs change over time and by the time we build days want to make sure we build the right thing.

2418
03:39:32,990 --> 03:39:37,090
So yeah, speak of all still advocating for more courts.

2419
03:39:37,450 --> 03:39:39,170
I think it will be an interesting conversation

2420
03:39:39,170 --> 03:39:42,790
like what are the true needs given the resources that we have currently.

2421
03:39:43,570 --> 03:39:45,170
Great. And then the only other thing I wanted to mention about

2422
03:39:45,170 --> 03:39:48,470
Badger is that we did hear from folks in the community over on the

2423
03:39:48,470 --> 03:39:51,330
Tucker Street. Is that second street side?

2424
03:39:51,650 --> 03:39:54,530
Just around access to Badger Park and, you know,

2425
03:39:54,590 --> 03:39:58,730
they're being some challenges there, whether it's folks

2426
03:39:58,730 --> 03:40:01,850
we're living along the river kind of coming through the neighborhood at night

2427
03:40:01,850 --> 03:40:05,270
and that that park access, there's some challenges with that,

2428
03:40:05,370 --> 03:40:08,670
but also that it doesn't feel very like safe or well lit,

2429
03:40:08,950 --> 03:40:12,890
and it's kind of like overgrown on that west side of the park.

2430
03:40:13,070 --> 03:40:14,930
And so I know that was one of the priorities

2431
03:40:14,930 --> 03:40:17,270
when the design process was happening,

2432
03:40:17,270 --> 03:40:18,550
kind of like the master planning level

2433
03:40:18,550 --> 03:40:20,230
was kind of opening it up

2434
03:40:20,230 --> 03:40:22,810
and making it feel a little less overgrown

2435
03:40:22,810 --> 03:40:24,430
on that west side of the park.

2436
03:40:24,530 --> 03:40:27,130
And I think that's where the natural play area was proposed.

2437
03:40:27,130 --> 03:40:35,630
but I would still love to see us have real meaningful notable access on that side of the park

2438
03:40:35,630 --> 03:40:39,730
because it really brings in that entire neighborhood over there, which I don't think a lot of folks

2439
03:40:39,730 --> 03:40:48,510
really know you can get to Badger Park that way. Thanks. That's a madrid ricks. Yeah, I did watch the

2440
03:40:48,510 --> 03:40:54,830
park and wreck, and I noticed that there was a lot of call for basketball and soccer access

2441
03:40:54,830 --> 03:40:59,990
because those are seeming to be, you know, basketball has always been kind of a low dollar

2442
03:40:59,990 --> 03:41:04,770
sport. You know, you get a ball and you go play. You don't need a lot of extra equipment. And so

2443
03:41:04,770 --> 03:41:09,410
I think if we, I don't know how, in fact, I know it's not easy, but I think if we could look into

2444
03:41:10,170 --> 03:41:14,670
that and monitor the use of the pickleball courts, I know that there's a noise issue and those

2445
03:41:14,670 --> 03:41:21,970
are close to just some housing over there. But if we can really do a good inventory on pickleball

2446
03:41:21,970 --> 03:41:26,110
because I've seen, you know, these fads, it was like racketball, then it was handball,

2447
03:41:26,690 --> 03:41:31,190
indoor, those, those trends have come and gone rather quickly. We're basketball and soccer have

2448
03:41:31,190 --> 03:41:36,110
stuck around for a long time. So if we could do that, but I like the plan. I'm like getting the flesh

2449
03:41:36,110 --> 03:41:44,730
toilets in and go for grants. Thank you. Thanks, Mayor. Yeah, so just to be clear on what you're

2450
03:41:44,730 --> 03:41:52,130
for this evening is these three bullet points, bullet points if we concur that you would continue

2451
03:41:52,130 --> 03:42:00,670
with the work. Okay. And the development scope of work, design process, and one of the

2452
03:42:00,670 --> 03:42:06,870
what would you anticipate the construction would occur once the design is completed?

2453
03:42:06,870 --> 03:42:24,970
ideally in the summer of 2025. So next summer. Okay. So you know we don't have a large amount of money to expand here. And so I don't think the design work is going to take a significant amount of time. There's no sequa issues that we've identified so far.

2454
03:42:24,970 --> 03:42:34,850
And we certainly need to be in the dry season given the fact we're along the river and there's all kinds of permitting that needs to happen that needs to get put in place.

2455
03:42:35,810 --> 03:42:54,950
So I think we'll be very we have to be very strategic and we met with as we were meeting with the colleges and the secret team they were talking about ways to plan and design the trails that limit the amount of permitting that's required or come in under certain already regulatory allowed type of

2456
03:42:54,950 --> 03:43:02,070
of design work. And those are things that I don't know about, but they do, and they'll help guide us on that. So

2457
03:43:02,070 --> 03:43:09,290
construction in 2025. Just to clarify, I mean, so the recommendation is that we focus on, you know,

2458
03:43:09,370 --> 03:43:15,490
a river access components and flush toilet restrooms. And then what funding is remaining, we can

2459
03:43:15,490 --> 03:43:21,110
kind of figure out how that fits into the picture. If we've got 200,000, a new place structure could

2460
03:43:21,110 --> 03:43:26,250
in order, we want to make sure that we can do it within the grant rules with our matching grants

2461
03:43:26,250 --> 03:43:31,710
and other elements like that. So we have worked to do as we scope this out and put together

2462
03:43:31,710 --> 03:43:36,850
that design development. Yeah, no, and I appreciate that, and I also appreciate the

2463
03:43:36,850 --> 03:43:42,370
content that we live with in our budget at this point. We've got my, let's spend it. It's going to

2464
03:43:42,370 --> 03:43:49,950
like, I think you said, it's losing value every, you know, every day at this point. So I like this approach.

2465
03:43:49,950 --> 03:43:58,130
And I've been hearing about the flush toilet restrooms partly from Chris for a while now, so I'm excited about that as well.

2466
03:43:58,150 --> 03:44:07,750
I think it's good. And the little dog park is really a little dog park. Our little dog goes there every day now and loves it.

2467
03:44:09,210 --> 03:44:17,270
So little dogs and big dogs don't always work well together. So I think, and there's a pretty militant group that go there all the time.

2468
03:44:17,270 --> 03:44:21,510
And they are like, dear dogs too big, you can't, you've got, you've got late.

2469
03:44:22,270 --> 03:44:22,890
So, anyway.

2470
03:44:23,410 --> 03:44:24,110
Self-inforcing.

2471
03:44:24,450 --> 03:44:25,090
Self-inforcing.

2472
03:44:25,950 --> 03:44:26,390
Self-inforcing dogs.

2473
03:44:27,170 --> 03:44:28,090
No, not yet.

2474
03:44:29,310 --> 03:44:30,110
Anyway, thank you.

2475
03:44:30,210 --> 03:44:30,730
Dog needs to know.

2476
03:44:32,990 --> 03:44:36,510
I agree with the Parks and Recommission.

2477
03:44:36,810 --> 03:44:37,370
Recommendations.

2478
03:44:37,430 --> 03:44:42,810
The only comments I would have is, again, the same thing about the flesh toilet.

2479
03:44:42,810 --> 03:44:43,670
That's great.

2480
03:44:44,470 --> 03:44:50,330
I would lean more toward the priority of the place structures or going with the natural place

2481
03:44:50,330 --> 03:44:57,690
that's always been a thing where, you know, my kids just climb on everything, so it doesn't

2482
03:44:57,690 --> 03:44:59,970
have to be the, you know, the...

2483
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:29,540
Additional play structure kind of thing, but definitely for all ages would be huge. I think, you know, that's important. The other thing is my ultimate pet peeve with cities all the time is really, really select streets where you pay the street. And then you come back six months later and cut it up to do something else that came up later. Now, not you, but it's a pet peeve of mine. And I think as we're looking at these incremental approaches to improving the parks.

2484
03:45:30,000 --> 03:45:34,160
If there are sports courts, if there are fields that are going to be lit, down, down, down,

2485
03:45:34,560 --> 03:45:40,740
line, make sure that infrastructure is put in now to, was it Chris's point about, you

2486
03:45:40,740 --> 03:45:45,020
know, then bring in tractors in and, you know, you do this nice walkway and I have tractors

2487
03:45:45,020 --> 03:45:50,060
driving over and kind of thinking, you know, with that in mind that we don't want to destroy

2488
03:45:50,060 --> 03:45:58,660
what we are using these precious grand dollars for, but I think it is important if we are doing

2489
03:45:58,660 --> 03:46:05,160
sports fields or, you know, having lit pathways, we may not be able to do the lights right now,

2490
03:46:05,380 --> 03:46:09,420
but let's put the infrastructure in. So we don't have to rip everything up later.

2491
03:46:10,200 --> 03:46:13,280
Yeah, that's a good point. And we can get, you know, we do things like conduit.

2492
03:46:13,680 --> 03:46:17,640
You know, there's no sports lighting purpose. I don't want to alarm the community that we're

2493
03:46:17,640 --> 03:46:22,220
going to light that badger park. You know, but trail lighting could be something to be considered in

2494
03:46:22,220 --> 03:46:26,160
the future. And we are also, I should mention, we're working really closely with utilities.

2495
03:46:26,160 --> 03:46:31,180
and they have their filter system that's going in.

2496
03:46:31,320 --> 03:46:35,860
I can't remember which one it is, and then also they have plans.

2497
03:46:36,500 --> 03:46:39,080
At some point in the future to relocate a lift station,

2498
03:46:39,460 --> 03:46:41,260
that's actually on private property across

2499
03:46:41,260 --> 03:46:44,500
here in Street Road, here in Road.

2500
03:46:45,080 --> 03:46:46,440
And they want to move it over to it.

2501
03:46:46,460 --> 03:46:49,600
So it's on city properties, so I don't have easement issues, things like that.

2502
03:46:50,240 --> 03:46:53,380
So we're working closely with utilities as well.

2503
03:46:53,380 --> 03:47:11,120
Okay, so do you have, well, so let me kind of talk to the city attorney here. So I'm going to leave. So everybody else can talk about Sergio Hills and then we'll open it up for public comment when I come back. Is that okay. And then I can excuse my chair back.

2504
03:47:18,640 --> 03:47:19,680
I think

2505
03:47:22,430 --> 03:47:42,930
I would ever talk about anything else, but thank you very much, Mark. It's great to see you. I kind of have been a long time. Mayor Haley Council members. I live almost on Badger Park. I'm in Badger Park pretty much every. I very much appreciate the comment Council member Kelly about the second street entrance.

2506
03:47:42,930 --> 03:47:48,490
entrance, because I do loops up Matheson, down Herendrive, into the park around the park,

2507
03:47:48,650 --> 03:47:55,790
and then I go out on 2nd Street, and so, you know, a focus on cleaning that up and making

2508
03:47:55,790 --> 03:48:01,430
that feel much more like a real entrance rather than a path that just got hammered out by

2509
03:48:01,430 --> 03:48:06,870
people walking it. I actually think about often of getting my clippers out there and clipping

2510
03:48:06,870 --> 03:48:14,730
the overhead because I'm always having to die through there. I think the dog park, the big dog versus

2511
03:48:14,730 --> 03:48:21,190
little dog, I have a bigger dog. So for years I would get there before the animal control guy would

2512
03:48:21,190 --> 03:48:29,030
get there. So I could play Frisbee with my dog. So having some access for having a big dog park

2513
03:48:29,030 --> 03:48:34,230
would be good. I know that right now there's still, I think tomorrow they're taking away the

2514
03:48:38,390 --> 03:48:47,730
And I'm sort of happy about it because I feel like we're getting our park back, but at the same time, you know, the need for that kind of thing for the bigger dogs is great.

2515
03:48:48,510 --> 03:49:00,470
The whole river access thing, I'm very happy to hear about, I think that's really critical, especially on weekends, there are, you know, that parking lot is full and people are with their floaties and everything and they're walking through the park.

2516
03:49:00,470 --> 03:49:07,610
And the only way to get down there is these little paths that have just been walked on and you can't see the river from the park.

2517
03:49:07,970 --> 03:49:11,570
So I'm very excited about that and I hope it really does happen by next year.

2518
03:49:12,510 --> 03:49:14,930
Because we've been here every day for many years as well.

2519
03:49:15,410 --> 03:49:22,230
I remember when the sign first went up there, I think it was before the pandemic and then slowly but surely it was taken away.

2520
03:49:22,930 --> 03:49:24,270
So I'm very excited about this.

2521
03:49:24,310 --> 03:49:25,030
So thanks very much.

2522
03:49:25,390 --> 03:49:26,250
Thank you.

2523
03:49:26,470 --> 03:49:27,370
Anyone else?

2524
03:49:28,110 --> 03:49:32,310
All right, we'll close public comment, and I will leave the room.

2525
03:49:32,630 --> 03:49:32,910
Thanks, Mayor.

2526
03:49:37,500 --> 03:49:38,320
Victor, he leaves.

2527
03:49:38,960 --> 03:49:41,080
We don't want him to hear anything about this, right?

2528
03:49:45,520 --> 03:49:47,760
All right, if we could go back to the slideshow.

2529
03:49:48,380 --> 03:49:48,380
Thank

2530
03:50:01,300 --> 03:50:01,620
you.

2531
03:50:01,780 --> 03:50:02,900
Okay, thank you.

2532
03:50:03,400 --> 03:50:05,900
So, Sergeant Hill, so moving on, this is a bit more exciting.

2533
03:50:06,080 --> 03:50:07,840
He's got a little bit more money to work with.

2534
03:50:08,480 --> 03:50:15,120
So, really, the vision that you'll see today that you've actually already approved is really to outcome of the,

2535
03:50:15,120 --> 03:50:19,040
years that the community worked and the city worked on the development agreement with

2536
03:50:19,040 --> 03:50:23,520
Sajou Hills for the overall development. So there were a number of different

2537
03:50:23,520 --> 03:50:28,680
park related components that were required. The first was the developer

2538
03:50:28,680 --> 03:50:33,840
provide 36 acres. That's actually been completed and with the landswap that we did with

2539
03:50:33,840 --> 03:50:39,620
that half moon shape of parcel around the pump station. We ended up with about 38 acres

2540
03:50:39,620 --> 03:50:45,540
a park land for a community this size. That's a very large community park. The developer

2541
03:50:45,540 --> 03:50:50,600
masquerade of the site that's been completed in the deferred as we talked about the multipurpose

2542
03:50:50,600 --> 03:50:55,680
trail funding and the creek restoration for the section that runs through the park to the city

2543
03:50:55,680 --> 03:51:01,420
because our timing didn't allow, didn't align very well. And then there's the $3 million

2544
03:51:01,420 --> 03:51:06,800
and we expanded some of that on the masterfining process and some prior work. The requirements

2545
03:51:06,800 --> 03:51:12,660
to the park is that it has acted percreation, passive, recreation, public trails, existing new

2546
03:51:12,660 --> 03:51:19,860
wetlands, repairing zone for faust Creek, parking areas, and pavilion area and landscaping.

2547
03:51:20,080 --> 03:51:22,960
So it's kind of like the guiding principles for the park.

2548
03:51:23,380 --> 03:51:24,180
So next slide, please.

2549
03:51:26,300 --> 03:51:32,160
So for the final master plan for Sajro Hills, there's actually five different components

2550
03:51:32,160 --> 03:51:34,540
to let's say, so next slide.

2551
03:51:36,080 --> 03:51:42,700
The first letter A is in the green and that's kind of the parking infrastructure element.

2552
03:51:43,200 --> 03:51:53,320
So unlike Badger Park, there's already parking in place, there's some utilities in, there's some water in, and we don't have that here, and so that's a fundamental component of what we need to happen for park use.

2553
03:51:53,320 --> 03:51:56,540
It doesn't mean we have to build all three parking areas.

2554
03:51:57,300 --> 03:52:00,220
At once, we can build the parking that's needed

2555
03:52:00,220 --> 03:52:03,000
to accommodate the amenities that ultimately

2556
03:52:03,000 --> 03:52:05,280
are chosen to go in here.

2557
03:52:06,060 --> 03:52:06,980
So those are the green.

2558
03:52:07,140 --> 03:52:08,460
Be as the sports complex.

2559
03:52:08,680 --> 03:52:10,520
We'll talk a little bit more about that.

2560
03:52:11,320 --> 03:52:14,240
See are the general community park amenities.

2561
03:52:14,980 --> 03:52:17,460
So that's your picnic shelter, your play area,

2562
03:52:17,740 --> 03:52:22,880
your little performance area, the general kinds of things

2563
03:52:22,880 --> 03:52:24,340
you'll find in the park.

2564
03:52:25,280 --> 03:52:29,300
Letter D is the natural area improvements

2565
03:52:29,300 --> 03:52:32,400
and one of the things that Councilmember Kelly mentioned

2566
03:52:33,060 --> 03:52:35,360
was creating additional places for dogs

2567
03:52:35,360 --> 03:52:36,840
to be off leash legally.

2568
03:52:37,760 --> 03:52:39,660
And this master plan contemplates that.

2569
03:52:39,660 --> 03:52:42,100
Utilizing that, Easterly side of the park

2570
03:52:42,100 --> 03:52:44,840
that has nice hills and viewing sustainable trails

2571
03:52:44,840 --> 03:52:46,860
and creating that off leash area

2572
03:52:47,770 --> 03:52:49,380
for people who bring their dogs legally

2573
03:52:49,380 --> 03:52:51,380
in a larger space.

2574
03:52:51,380 --> 03:52:55,320
And then letter E is the integration of Barbearing Park.

2575
03:52:55,480 --> 03:53:00,040
We spent a lot of time on that with the neighbors talking about how do you make that effective?

2576
03:53:00,100 --> 03:53:02,120
It's a very important place for their neighborhood.

2577
03:53:02,780 --> 03:53:07,340
And so their request was, don't do anything with Barbearing until you built the new park.

2578
03:53:07,720 --> 03:53:09,700
Because we don't want to lose our park during construction.

2579
03:53:10,560 --> 03:53:13,800
And so what we framed up here in terms of the kind of the phasing is,

2580
03:53:13,820 --> 03:53:16,640
Barbearing probably won't get touched for a number of years.

2581
03:53:17,060 --> 03:53:18,760
And we focus on the new park amenities.

2582
03:53:18,760 --> 03:53:22,860
and then some point in the future come back and renovate Barbearing Park.

2583
03:53:23,660 --> 03:53:26,620
So, next slide, next few slides are the images.

2584
03:53:26,860 --> 03:53:37,580
Again, this is looking overheals Berg Avenue, kind of in the Enzo Village complex, looking at the ball fields, to the southeast, so we're looking southeast in this picture.

2585
03:53:38,280 --> 03:53:38,960
Next slide.

2586
03:53:40,480 --> 03:53:46,900
This is the center portion of the park where the pathway crosses essentially two creeks.

2587
03:53:46,900 --> 03:53:54,680
existing channel and then are recreated original phosphate. Next slide. This would be looking

2588
03:53:54,680 --> 03:54:01,300
over barbaryary park before it would be renovated so it retains its existing kind of configuration,

2589
03:54:01,580 --> 03:54:07,260
picnicary, trial system, play area and it looks further to the north in those community

2590
03:54:07,260 --> 03:54:11,340
park amenities you can see those sports courts in the background. Next slide.

2591
03:54:12,480 --> 03:54:21,260
And then this is a visual representation of the final plan when Barbier would be fully integrated.

2592
03:54:22,100 --> 03:54:31,940
And I think this, you know, this picture is kind of interesting because it really helps give context that we're not talking about massive amount of development in these parks.

2593
03:54:31,940 --> 03:54:46,660
And so I go back to that cost estimate in an order of magnitude and I'm wondering, you know, how accurate was that at the time, you know, we can do a variety of different kind of cost saving measures to build a large picnic shelter that went to hold 150.

2594
03:54:47,300 --> 03:54:58,180
It might not be super fancy, but it would be accommodating and meet the needs. And so this just kind of gives a better picture of spatially how everything would lay out in the overall final plan.

2595
03:54:59,740 --> 03:55:00,680
Next slide please.

2596
03:55:02,380 --> 03:55:06,120
So as I mentioned, the driving factors include some of their commitments that we have right

2597
03:55:06,120 --> 03:55:11,200
now, the multiple multipurpose trail, the Greek restoration, there's no existing infrastructure.

2598
03:55:11,600 --> 03:55:12,960
So we have to build some level of parking.

2599
03:55:13,280 --> 03:55:14,320
We have to put in utilities.

2600
03:55:15,020 --> 03:55:19,340
We have to put in support facilities like restaurants, so we don't make that mistake.

2601
03:55:20,360 --> 03:55:23,960
Drinking fountains, you know, elements that will be needed just to support the day-to-day

2602
03:55:23,960 --> 03:55:30,500
function. And then if we don't do a lot, we can always scale it back and do a very targeted

2603
03:55:30,500 --> 03:55:36,760
parking area with restaurants and the support facilities that you need rather than three different

2604
03:55:36,760 --> 03:55:43,300
parking areas that are kind of isolated until the point at the point in time comes when those

2605
03:55:43,300 --> 03:55:48,100
are actually needed based on the amenities that are in the park. Next slide, please.

2606
03:55:50,280 --> 03:55:56,220
So, kind of some other thoughts that went into the prioritization and the considerations is that,

2607
03:55:56,220 --> 03:56:03,000
you know, completing one component in its entirety, like the sports fields, would be a fairly significant

2608
03:56:03,000 --> 03:56:09,120
expense, as probably a $5 to $10 million cost, doing all of the community park amenities is probably

2609
03:56:09,120 --> 03:56:11,620
in that $5 to $10 million cost.

2610
03:56:11,620 --> 03:56:14,520
And so picking out pieces of those different amenities

2611
03:56:14,520 --> 03:56:18,880
or scaling back, the context, so you can come back and redo it

2612
03:56:18,880 --> 03:56:21,200
and improve it in the future, could be one approach.

2613
03:56:21,340 --> 03:56:24,780
I mentioned Barbea Erie Park could be deferred.

2614
03:56:25,580 --> 03:56:28,300
And then we should think about what other amenities there are

2615
03:56:28,300 --> 03:56:30,320
in the park system and make good decisions

2616
03:56:30,320 --> 03:56:32,580
about what we put in here.

2617
03:56:32,760 --> 03:56:35,000
We don't want to duplicate what's available elsewhere.

2618
03:56:35,560 --> 03:56:38,460
Like we just did a great job on the new dog park.

2619
03:56:38,620 --> 03:56:41,100
I don't think we should duplicate that same design

2620
03:56:41,100 --> 03:56:45,020
in this park maybe it's something different that meets the needs of the community.

2621
03:56:46,080 --> 03:56:46,840
Next slide please.

2622
03:56:48,480 --> 03:56:58,780
So council member Edward's brought up soccer fields and this was one of the topics that was the head public comment at the Parks and Recreation Commission meeting.

2623
03:56:59,600 --> 03:57:06,680
And so during a couple of things have happened. First of all, the school district has now installed two synthetic turf fields.

2624
03:57:06,680 --> 03:57:12,480
We program that only one of them currently, so we only program with the high school right now.

2625
03:57:12,780 --> 03:57:18,880
We don't program any city activities for any association activities at the junior high field yet.

2626
03:57:19,360 --> 03:57:20,660
And there's two reasons for that.

2627
03:57:21,160 --> 03:57:25,360
One, we're able to accommodate most uses by opening up correct park for soccer.

2628
03:57:26,360 --> 03:57:30,700
But number two, your soccer doesn't really like synthetic turf.

2629
03:57:31,040 --> 03:57:33,000
They would rather play on natural turf.

2630
03:57:33,000 --> 03:57:37,000
However, the synthetic is good during the winter time when they move the, you know, the

2631
03:57:37,000 --> 03:57:41,620
soccer season, the girl soccer season, to the winter. So there, there is use for it,

2632
03:57:41,700 --> 03:57:46,300
but it's not preferred. During the drought, we spent a lot of time working, it's particularly

2633
03:57:46,300 --> 03:57:50,980
with use soccer on how to more effectively use our existing resources. So we opened up rep

2634
03:57:50,980 --> 03:57:56,400
park and we moved a lot of activities there. We stopped watering a badger park, we stopped watering

2635
03:57:56,400 --> 03:58:04,480
a fish mountain and we consolidate those uses. It means a lot of kids on one or two or three

2636
03:58:04,480 --> 03:58:12,980
sheets of grass, but we made it work. It's not ideal long term. Now with drought, I don't

2637
03:58:12,980 --> 03:58:19,060
want to say concluded, but with it, us in a different situation, the district is going back and doing

2638
03:58:19,060 --> 03:58:23,720
work to bring fish mountain field back and we're doing the same thing a bachelor park right now.

2639
03:58:23,720 --> 03:58:27,060
So those will resume more normal operations and become available,

2640
03:58:27,700 --> 03:58:29,680
plus we have our existing facilities as well.

2641
03:58:30,060 --> 03:58:31,940
So I think from a soccer context,

2642
03:58:32,480 --> 03:58:36,900
we're sitting really good for community this size in terms of

2643
03:58:36,900 --> 03:58:40,300
available fields and the quality of those fields that are available.

2644
03:58:41,000 --> 03:58:41,780
Next slide, please.

2645
03:58:43,480 --> 03:58:45,260
So little leagues a bit different.

2646
03:58:45,800 --> 03:58:51,120
So little he currently has two programmable fields

2647
03:58:51,120 --> 03:58:52,900
at Hillsburg Elementary School.

2648
03:58:52,900 --> 03:58:55,220
only one of those is regulation size.

2649
03:58:55,440 --> 03:58:57,580
So they can't do things like tournaments and other activities.

2650
03:58:58,080 --> 03:59:00,340
And so part of the context of Sahaja Yoga Hills

2651
03:59:00,340 --> 03:59:02,580
and what was really talked about years ago

2652
03:59:02,580 --> 03:59:05,360
was that that would become really that little league

2653
03:59:05,360 --> 03:59:07,260
and now girl softball kind of complex.

2654
03:59:09,320 --> 03:59:11,540
So literally gives us the two fields at HES,

2655
03:59:11,740 --> 03:59:14,220
they use the community center field for practice,

2656
03:59:14,640 --> 03:59:17,160
which works okay, it's okay.

2657
03:59:17,680 --> 03:59:19,260
And then they use recreation park,

2658
03:59:19,580 --> 03:59:21,660
but recreation park has 90 foot baseball lines.

2659
03:59:21,660 --> 03:59:26,140
So it could only be you, or 90 foot baseball base lines.

2660
03:59:26,660 --> 03:59:29,920
So it can only be used for really the upper levels of little lake.

2661
03:59:31,220 --> 03:59:33,600
And so kind of figuring out how to make this all work.

2662
03:59:33,780 --> 03:59:37,100
At the end of the day, literally the only really has

2663
03:59:37,100 --> 03:59:40,660
one regulation size field that they can use.

2664
03:59:41,540 --> 03:59:42,960
The other ones they just are.

2665
03:59:44,080 --> 03:59:46,540
So part of the, I'm going to the next slide.

2666
03:59:48,810 --> 03:59:52,350
So this is the overall master plan view for the park.

2667
03:59:52,350 --> 03:59:55,370
So we've seen this before, that sports fields

2668
03:59:55,370 --> 03:59:57,430
are in the north, the park in the center.

2669
03:59:59,850 --> 03:59:59,970
Next up.

2670
04:00:02,480 --> 04:00:14,760
And that's a tighter image. This shows the different sports courts to be determined what they are, you know, are they pick a ball, tennis, all those different elements. And next slide please.

2671
04:00:16,220 --> 04:00:22,020
So, here's where you get to in terms of the recommendation, kind of factoring all this in and what we have available now.

2672
04:00:23,000 --> 04:00:28,160
So the commission's recommendation is that they acknowledge that we have some required amenities that we have to build.

2673
04:00:28,160 --> 04:00:29,900
we have to build the multipurpose trial.

2674
04:00:30,540 --> 04:00:31,720
We need to put in infrastructure,

2675
04:00:32,120 --> 04:00:33,800
we have to do the quick restoration work.

2676
04:00:34,320 --> 04:00:36,140
There are baseline things that have to happen.

2677
04:00:36,840 --> 04:00:38,980
There are design decisions that we can make

2678
04:00:38,980 --> 04:00:41,220
because we get in at those about the extent.

2679
04:00:41,880 --> 04:00:45,340
So one option that we could consider is not asking for you

2680
04:00:45,340 --> 04:00:47,840
to make this decision when I get more information

2681
04:00:47,840 --> 04:00:50,000
as we get in the design is, you know,

2682
04:00:50,000 --> 04:00:51,160
the trail could be different.

2683
04:00:51,380 --> 04:00:53,100
The multipurpose trail could be different here.

2684
04:00:53,340 --> 04:00:56,760
It could be a DG surface instead of the two minutes,

2685
04:00:56,760 --> 04:00:59,740
because it fits better, but it still provides that trail and amenity.

2686
04:01:01,480 --> 04:01:07,460
So, focus on those, they also recommended we do some kind of modest sports field component.

2687
04:01:08,400 --> 04:01:14,940
So, what does that mean? Well, it doesn't, you know, probably means scaled back, no big concession stand,

2688
04:01:15,900 --> 04:01:22,000
you know, really focusing on providing the sports amenity, but not all the other amenities to go with it.

2689
04:01:22,800 --> 04:01:26,120
And then the remainder of the funding would be used on other community

2690
04:01:26,120 --> 04:01:31,040
park amenities as the funding allows, and we would further define that during the

2691
04:01:31,040 --> 04:01:32,380
design development process.

2692
04:01:33,600 --> 04:01:38,000
So if Council concurors, we would put together a design development

2693
04:01:38,000 --> 04:01:41,980
construction scope of work that would include the multi-purpose trail

2694
04:01:41,980 --> 04:01:46,100
of the Greek restoration, the required infrastructures, and then

2695
04:01:46,100 --> 04:01:50,600
some components of park amenities that would be determined as we go

2696
04:01:50,600 --> 04:01:57,320
through that design development stage and that concludes my presentation.

2697
04:01:58,140 --> 04:01:59,000
Thank you, Mark.

2698
04:01:59,640 --> 04:01:59,720
Yeah.

2699
04:02:00,240 --> 04:02:00,320
Yeah.

2700
04:02:00,320 --> 04:02:06,900
It's exciting actually to get some ideas of what we could have sooner than later at this point.

2701
04:02:07,200 --> 04:02:08,900
Just Council have questions.

2702
04:02:11,500 --> 04:02:11,980
Council member Kelly.

2703
04:02:13,880 --> 04:02:14,320
Thank you.

2704
04:02:14,960 --> 04:02:19,380
I have some questions about the sports facility piece.

2705
04:02:19,380 --> 04:02:22,960
So, or is that what the ball fields sports fields?

2706
04:02:23,280 --> 04:02:23,720
Yeah, sports fields.

2707
04:02:24,560 --> 04:02:28,840
So, we have the existing baseball field

2708
04:02:28,840 --> 04:02:32,240
at the community center site that is in pretty,

2709
04:02:32,340 --> 04:02:33,980
well, I don't think it's in bad shape,

2710
04:02:34,240 --> 04:02:38,040
but we haven't really made it like a meaningful baseball field

2711
04:02:38,040 --> 04:02:41,180
and it's there and it has backstops

2712
04:02:41,180 --> 04:02:43,820
and it has the bases and it's, you know,

2713
04:02:44,640 --> 04:02:47,920
it wouldn't be a whole heck of a lot less expensive

2714
04:02:47,920 --> 04:02:54,780
to just make those baseball fields better at the community center as opposed to endeavoring to build

2715
04:02:54,780 --> 04:02:59,720
like a sports complex that we can't really build to the extent that we've designed from a

2716
04:02:59,720 --> 04:03:05,600
cost perspective and we already have the community center site that's closer to where more people live

2717
04:03:05,600 --> 04:03:09,600
because it's more centrally located at one state central, but it's more centrally located,

2718
04:03:10,220 --> 04:03:16,360
is that something that was considered? It is. In fact, we spent a lot of time looking at our existing

2719
04:03:16,360 --> 04:03:24,220
facilities, and so in your packet included aerial diagrams of each one, the issue with the community

2720
04:03:24,220 --> 04:03:30,560
center is that that field is exactly the same size or pretty close to the same size as the one

2721
04:03:30,560 --> 04:03:37,600
at HES, meaning that they could get one regulation size field there. The other one would be non-regulation

2722
04:03:37,600 --> 04:03:42,280
size, so there could be two that are put there. There's two issues that come up. One,

2723
04:03:42,280 --> 04:03:46,700
The community center field is full of go-first.

2724
04:03:47,460 --> 04:03:50,340
We've harvested the go-first more than once.

2725
04:03:50,460 --> 04:03:55,820
They continue to come back and they create a lot of challenges in terms of maintaining that turf.

2726
04:03:56,660 --> 04:04:01,600
The other issue is that entire site drains to the southwest.

2727
04:04:02,540 --> 04:04:09,180
So the areas along the trail are extremely wet and they retain water, even though we don't irrigate it as much.

2728
04:04:09,180 --> 04:04:19,500
It is tough site. Those are two things. The third is there's limited legitimate parking. We park on the black top when there's big events there.

2729
04:04:21,840 --> 04:04:33,180
I believe we should try to use existing facilities first, but I don't think it meets the overall needs of little league in terms of having two fields for play concurrently at the same time.

2730
04:04:33,180 --> 04:04:37,220
end up with one at the community center and the second one at Hillsburg Elementary School.

2731
04:04:37,560 --> 04:04:42,760
I still think it's something we should look at but I don't think it's the best approach.

2732
04:04:44,600 --> 04:04:54,080
Okay, and then for the multi-use trail, I think given that it is the main access to the affordable

2733
04:04:54,080 --> 04:05:02,120
housing site and that there is a pretty, we have this senior community that's across the street

2734
04:05:02,120 --> 04:05:19,020
And then there's going to be, you know, over potentially over a hundred units of affordable housing, but this is the main, you know, thoroughfare to reach that, because we have not put any sidewalks along Pasalocla with the intention that this multi-usetrail is the main way to walk or bike to get there.

2735
04:05:19,780 --> 04:05:32,020
I feel like we shouldn't be DG. I just have concerns of whether it's like ADA accessibility or wear and tear over time with drainage and other challenges.

2736
04:05:32,020 --> 04:05:39,460
that I've seen kind of DG pathways not be as easily accessible for folks with mobility challenges

2737
04:05:39,460 --> 04:05:45,580
and also it's going to be a heavily traveled path. I believe it will be heavily traveled because

2738
04:05:45,580 --> 04:05:52,580
it will be the way to get from the north village to park on farms and to get to the new affordable

2739
04:05:52,580 --> 04:06:00,360
housing site that's hopefully getting built. And I think prioritizing getting that built is

2740
04:06:00,360 --> 04:06:04,780
important as opposed to waiting. This is only going to get more expensive and also we already have

2741
04:06:04,780 --> 04:06:10,300
the funds from the developer and the hope is that we're going to start building that affordable

2742
04:06:10,300 --> 04:06:17,480
housing soon if they can find funding sources for it which who knows, but they plan on it and

2743
04:06:17,480 --> 04:06:23,600
they're moving in a swift direction to get there. With respect to delaying the parking

2744
04:06:23,600 --> 04:06:33,140
built out. The trail that was dated donated from Montage that's on the North End that goes,

2745
04:06:33,280 --> 04:06:36,640
what do you call that? Overlook. Has a name.

2746
04:06:36,640 --> 04:06:39,340
You just call it the North West Trail for now.

2747
04:06:39,640 --> 04:06:40,160
Yeah. So

2748
04:06:42,240 --> 04:06:48,640
open the North West Trail until we had parking that service that area is that still

2749
04:06:48,640 --> 04:06:54,660
the case. So if we forego building the parking lot on the North end of the park, we wouldn't be able

2750
04:06:54,660 --> 04:07:00,640
open that trail legitimately. Correct. Well, I mean theoretically, we could we could build a parking

2751
04:07:00,640 --> 04:07:07,280
at the fire station site and then just some kind of trail connection up to crossing

2752
04:07:10,040 --> 04:07:15,440
Pustlava. Yeah. So I mean, I wouldn't say it would run it out, but I mean realistically,

2753
04:07:15,720 --> 04:07:25,960
the most practical parking area to build first is probably off a Pustlava. You have a little

2754
04:07:25,960 --> 04:07:29,720
build a lot of amenities on the other side of the creek. Those are things that we'll

2755
04:07:29,720 --> 04:07:33,960
opt to figure out with some funding that we haven't available. Yes, we need that

2756
04:07:33,960 --> 04:07:40,240
parking lot. Got it. So if we were to move forward with the sports field piece, we

2757
04:07:40,240 --> 04:07:47,200
wouldn't be doing the pump track or the pickleball courts or the other more active

2758
04:07:47,200 --> 04:07:53,960
uses that accurate in this priorit like prioritizing. To be determined to be honest

2759
04:07:53,960 --> 04:07:56,880
with you. So that the proposal is a modest sports

2760
04:07:56,880 --> 04:08:00,320
complex sports component in community

2761
04:08:00,320 --> 04:08:03,540
amenities depending on how much funding we have available.

2762
04:08:05,140 --> 04:08:07,680
So possibly, I mean, we can't do everything, right?

2763
04:08:07,720 --> 04:08:10,920
We don't have that much money, but we have to make decisions.

2764
04:08:11,100 --> 04:08:14,720
Like, is the pump track more important than a picking

2765
04:08:14,720 --> 04:08:20,460
shelter or more important than the performance area?

2766
04:08:21,020 --> 04:08:23,580
So those are things based on the pricing that come out of the

2767
04:08:23,580 --> 04:08:26,040
designed to balance that we would have to make those decisions.

2768
04:08:27,100 --> 04:08:29,600
And we as a community, I think we'd have to make those.

2769
04:08:29,900 --> 04:08:33,780
And when, so with respect to the feedback you're seeking today,

2770
04:08:34,420 --> 04:08:39,040
you want to know if we should prioritize the sports complex over those other things,

2771
04:08:39,080 --> 04:08:43,140
or it's just the amenities that we already have funding for like the multi-use pathway

2772
04:08:43,140 --> 04:08:47,040
and the required pieces from the development agreement.

2773
04:08:47,440 --> 04:08:49,420
So what I'm looking for feedback on tonight is,

2774
04:08:49,620 --> 04:08:51,200
do you agree with the commission's recommendation

2775
04:08:51,200 --> 04:08:53,200
and that we build the required amenities,

2776
04:08:53,580 --> 04:08:55,640
includes the trail, the creek restoration,

2777
04:08:56,000 --> 04:08:57,900
and the infrastructure needed to support

2778
04:08:57,900 --> 04:09:00,200
some element of park development,

2779
04:09:01,160 --> 04:09:04,940
and a modified or modest sports component,

2780
04:09:05,800 --> 04:09:08,980
and community park amenities based on the funding

2781
04:09:08,980 --> 04:09:09,680
that's available.

2782
04:09:10,960 --> 04:09:15,260
So it's a bit ambiguous because, you know,

2783
04:09:15,260 --> 04:09:17,120
we have the $30 million budget,

2784
04:09:19,780 --> 04:09:22,620
and until we get into the design development to say,

2785
04:09:22,620 --> 04:09:29,800
Okay, well here's the type of sports facility you can build for $1 million, which I don't have that information yet.

2786
04:09:30,120 --> 04:09:33,060
I can't say we're going to build a sports facility.

2787
04:09:33,420 --> 04:09:33,700
You know what I mean?

2788
04:09:33,720 --> 04:09:35,920
We got to get a little bit more details.

2789
04:09:35,960 --> 04:09:38,260
This is kind of like chicken in the egg, which one goes first.

2790
04:09:38,340 --> 04:09:38,960
What do I say here?

2791
04:09:38,980 --> 04:09:39,760
Way to the locker.

2792
04:09:40,120 --> 04:09:40,720
Want to move that.

2793
04:09:41,840 --> 04:09:43,900
Yeah, and I support that.

2794
04:09:44,200 --> 04:09:45,700
So I like where that's headed.

2795
04:09:46,040 --> 04:09:52,600
I just again to the earlier point of what we already have in town that's usable versus what we not have.

2796
04:09:52,600 --> 04:10:04,920
I think that that should be a driver of that conversation, even if what we have now is in perfect if there's ways to invest in it to make those things better that we have in our existing parks as opposed to building

2797
04:10:05,600 --> 04:10:07,680
Not a full blown

2798
04:10:07,680 --> 04:10:14,520
If we can't build the vision of what we really want is it worth kind of doing a half measure or less than that

2799
04:10:14,520 --> 04:10:24,520
But I do think moving forward on those required pieces sooner rather than later makes a lot of sense, and worries me if we don't do it.

2800
04:10:25,460 --> 04:10:26,340
Ron, did you have questions?

2801
04:10:27,240 --> 04:10:38,780
Yeah, just real short, and when you're looking at this park amenities, I heard larger numbers put out there, and I really think that 150 is a good size.

2802
04:10:39,360 --> 04:11:00,440
Because I think when you get beyond that, it's just, you have a lot of parking, it's just, I think that it's a better size that that's pretty much accepted a lot of event facilities throughout the county or 150 and it's worked for a long time and I'd like to not see us go to 250 or, you know, 200 or above, I think 150 is a sweet spot for that.

2803
04:11:00,440 --> 04:11:05,840
You know, if I could share some of the feedback we heard in our planning process, particularly

2804
04:11:05,840 --> 04:11:11,140
from our Latinx communities, they want those larger facilities to have their larger

2805
04:11:11,140 --> 04:11:11,880
celebrations.

2806
04:11:12,840 --> 04:11:17,720
And my response was we are going to have a community pavilion that has the capacity of

2807
04:11:17,720 --> 04:11:24,620
seating, you know, 500, and so I think, as we look at what facilities we currently have,

2808
04:11:24,880 --> 04:11:28,840
we have to take the fully family community pavilion in context with that too.

2809
04:11:28,840 --> 04:11:37,120
So I just think that having, and maybe chief Jenkins could to chime in, I just think

2810
04:11:37,120 --> 04:11:45,030
that having that concentrated event so far away from our services would have some challenges.

2811
04:11:46,590 --> 04:11:49,790
And that was if it were fully, it would be a much better location.

2812
04:11:52,720 --> 04:11:53,800
Councilmember Heron.

2813
04:11:55,400 --> 04:12:02,520
I see a logic in this path, especially having been part of the whole process and hearing

2814
04:12:02,520 --> 04:12:11,560
the needs of the music groups who are really desire these sportsmenities and I think

2815
04:12:11,560 --> 04:12:23,780
the real and I think that was always sort of the general focus of this park as opposed to

2816
04:12:23,780 --> 04:12:26,600
and the playing fields and so on.

2817
04:12:27,580 --> 04:12:35,840
My concern is I haven't heard you mention that if we do a more moderate playing field

2818
04:12:37,800 --> 04:12:42,220
that it wouldn't be difficult to come in and do all the other stuff that we're missing

2819
04:12:42,220 --> 04:12:43,920
right away later on.

2820
04:12:44,360 --> 04:12:50,640
So are we going to be stuck without a concession stand and seeding or whatever else is missing

2821
04:12:50,640 --> 04:12:57,560
initially or is that going to be able to be faced in later. We would plan it so could be faced

2822
04:12:57,560 --> 04:13:02,620
it. Yeah, okay. All right, let's just need to hear you say that at that time. And that community

2823
04:13:02,620 --> 04:13:08,960
building, I think that is really one of the most brilliant aspects of this whole park. And so you know,

2824
04:13:09,020 --> 04:13:16,580
I'll but doesn't get too buried in the process. But I concur with the commission on the recommendations

2825
04:13:19,630 --> 04:13:23,810
And I do as well. I don't really have any further comments or questions.

2826
04:13:24,150 --> 04:13:26,170
Okay, look forward to it.

2827
04:13:26,410 --> 04:13:28,270
So we'll open this up to public comment.

2828
04:13:28,490 --> 04:13:29,890
If anybody has any comments,

2829
04:13:31,350 --> 04:13:32,610
not seen anybody rush forward.

2830
04:13:32,610 --> 04:13:34,390
We'll close public comment.

2831
04:13:35,830 --> 04:13:38,890
Do you have the direction that you need then?

2832
04:13:38,890 --> 04:13:39,250
I do.

2833
04:13:39,690 --> 04:13:42,730
You'll see a design and construction

2834
04:13:42,730 --> 04:13:46,050
drawing contract come before you hopefully in June

2835
04:13:46,050 --> 04:13:48,050
and we'll kick it off right away after that.

2836
04:13:50,410 --> 04:13:54,690
So we're sort of in additional, where are we at with Mark naming right now?

2837
04:13:55,710 --> 04:14:03,130
So we actually have a short list that the museum has done some research on and we are waiting

2838
04:14:03,130 --> 04:14:09,150
for some input from the tribal community on some of the proposed tribal names.

2839
04:14:09,550 --> 04:14:09,930
Okay.

2840
04:14:10,070 --> 04:14:10,470
The park.

2841
04:14:12,770 --> 04:14:13,570
Thank you very much.

2842
04:14:13,590 --> 04:14:14,470
Thank you so much.

2843
04:14:18,450 --> 04:14:19,010
Thank

2844
04:14:37,570 --> 04:14:45,710
you very much, so next up, our final item, hopefully we can get through quick, is Item

2845
04:14:45,710 --> 04:14:50,650
Number 10, Council Member reports on matters of interest, who would like to start.

2846
04:14:51,490 --> 04:14:52,570
All right, Council Member Edwards.

2847
04:14:52,850 --> 04:14:59,710
Yeah, I did the meal street over with some of my coyote and Jane had a very nice little event

2848
04:14:59,710 --> 04:14:59,970
over there.

2849
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:15,340
On April 20, went to the climate fest, which was again a very nice event this year. We did the scattered sites, ribbon cutting, which is nice to kind of cap all of those together at one time.

2850
04:15:15,880 --> 04:15:27,260
I attended a Zoom meeting that supervisor Gore had on homeowners insurance, and that's going to be on the website, and that was very good information about some of the people maybe on the outskirts of town.

2851
04:15:27,260 --> 04:15:33,540
of a type of insurance they need how to go about getting that the A.B. film festival where the mayor

2852
04:15:33,540 --> 04:15:39,260
had a proclamation, the block party, that was really nice because that was another one of those

2853
04:15:39,260 --> 04:15:44,100
events that was there wasn't a cost to go to it and it was a nice to bingo with your neighbors,

2854
04:15:44,220 --> 04:15:51,660
there was food, good music there, learn that every culture has a line dance or some type of

2855
04:15:51,660 --> 04:15:56,840
equivalent of that and then up at the villa on Saturday and the rain.

2856
04:15:57,620 --> 04:16:01,120
So that was, well, let's just keep coming down this way.

2857
04:16:01,360 --> 04:16:03,480
Okay, yes, kind of a ditto here, right?

2858
04:16:03,780 --> 04:16:11,840
Climate Fest, the ribbon cutting at Monovina, was a very satisfying, gratifying to be able to do that.

2859
04:16:12,260 --> 04:16:18,960
And then yes, the ribbon cutting up on Saturday and it was, I don't know, the rain almost made it

2860
04:16:18,960 --> 04:16:24,500
more interesting because it, you know, focused us on, on the good and the bad kind of thing.

2861
04:16:24,500 --> 04:16:28,740
Yeah. Always remember it. Yeah. So it was awesome.

2862
04:16:31,080 --> 04:16:38,360
So I send some of those events as well as cinema family meal who

2863
04:16:38,360 --> 04:16:45,160
did fundraiser dinner in Hillsburg and they're launching a North County

2864
04:16:45,160 --> 04:16:50,160
program to help folks who want to get into culinary careers. They have a culinary

2865
04:16:50,160 --> 04:16:53,660
kitchen in Petaluma but they found that transportation was a huge barrier for

2866
04:16:53,660 --> 04:17:02,220
people from North County, so they created a fundraiser to help fundraise for folks to have

2867
04:17:02,220 --> 04:17:07,640
transportation assistance and so they're launching their next cohort of culinary trainees.

2868
04:17:07,860 --> 04:17:11,960
It's just I think a six week training program at their culinary kitchen and Stoma family meal

2869
04:17:11,960 --> 04:17:18,040
for those who don't know provided a tremendous amount of meals to people, our low-income community

2870
04:17:18,040 --> 04:17:23,320
during COVID and also during the fires when people were evacuated and were just an amazing partner

2871
04:17:23,320 --> 04:17:32,060
resource for the whole county. I also want to mention we had our SETA meeting. It was two weeks ago now,

2872
04:17:32,060 --> 04:17:37,540
it's all a little bit of a blur, but in our April meeting we approved funding for March Avenue

2873
04:17:38,300 --> 04:17:45,220
project. So it's not fully funded, but it's more money than we had before to help us get that

2874
04:17:45,220 --> 04:17:49,820
repaving project. I think this will be for pedestrian improvements inside walk improvements. And so that's

2875
04:17:50,420 --> 04:17:53,700
money we really need as you know.

2876
04:18:03,190 --> 04:18:09,830
I'm going to have anything else to add to those events, but I'll focus on the future.

2877
04:18:10,690 --> 04:18:14,130
Looking forward to the parade and our participation in it.

2878
04:18:14,210 --> 04:18:15,710
Keep that top secret, I guess.

2879
04:18:18,010 --> 04:18:19,270
That's going to be fun.

2880
04:18:19,270 --> 04:18:34,110
Um, next weekend, I'm going to join rotary club volunteers to clear a rindo and I did this a couple of weeks ago and I'm putting the word out to get some more people down there to help with that.

2881
04:18:34,290 --> 04:18:36,830
I hope to see each and every one of you there.

2882
04:18:37,710 --> 04:18:43,370
know it's next weekend. Saturday 9 o'clock at Memorial Beach, there is a sign of

2883
04:18:43,370 --> 04:18:47,530
something like you to do before you get there. I think you can do it. If you forgot,

2884
04:18:47,670 --> 04:18:51,670
you can do it while you're there but it's easier if you do before. And I can send you a link to that.

2885
04:18:54,430 --> 04:18:59,610
But it's, yeah, the more, the more the mayor you're for sure and it's more okay.

2886
04:19:02,130 --> 04:19:06,950
I'm looking forward to that. And then of course, looking forward to our budget meeting next week.

2887
04:19:06,950 --> 04:19:10,870
I heard a lot of compliment about you.

2888
04:19:11,070 --> 04:19:16,530
At the last time you were pulling a window, a window, yeah.

2889
04:19:16,530 --> 04:19:21,110
I heard a lot of compliments about how much you hold up or whatever.

2890
04:19:22,630 --> 04:19:27,230
I can't really brag, but I did some work, you know.

2891
04:19:27,230 --> 04:19:27,850
Yeah,

2892
04:19:34,140 --> 04:19:40,840
I attended a climate fest and it was nice to be able to welcome everybody there.

2893
04:19:42,020 --> 04:19:49,080
The ribbon cutting for the scattered sites project was really great just to see, you know,

2894
04:19:49,560 --> 04:19:52,460
when you've been out here long enough, you kind of see the beginning.

2895
04:19:53,460 --> 04:19:58,160
And then getting to the ribbon cutting is pretty fun to see both ends of that.

2896
04:19:58,160 --> 04:20:05,180
I also attended a celebration of the scholarships funding that was raised for STEM programs

2897
04:20:05,180 --> 04:20:13,920
at the AAUW hosted and it's for programs for junior high and high school girls to encourage

2898
04:20:13,920 --> 04:20:23,340
them to with girls that have interest in STEM programs at the schools and I did do a

2899
04:20:23,340 --> 04:20:28,360
information for the Alexander Valley Film Festival that was fun. And obviously there

2900
04:20:28,360 --> 04:20:33,600
have been cutting for Fitch Mountain where we all had a great time and we're

2901
04:20:33,600 --> 04:20:40,420
freezing and I just want to I want to say again thank you to our staff who pulled

2902
04:20:40,420 --> 04:20:47,140
that together and it was a lot of work. It wasn't lost on any of us. What it

2903
04:20:47,140 --> 04:20:52,200
took to put an event like that on all the tables, all the displays, all the

2904
04:20:52,200 --> 04:20:59,520
here's the fun cart that was bringing people up. Yeah, that's the bargain ride.

2905
04:21:01,800 --> 04:21:07,120
All of that was just a really incredible. So that's all I had.

2906
04:21:08,460 --> 04:21:14,100
Yes. Our community service staff always hits it out of the park and that was also just amazing.

2907
04:21:14,880 --> 04:21:19,620
I wanted to ask and request for a future agenda item for our next council meeting.

2908
04:21:19,620 --> 04:21:28,460
I was surprised to see that we don't have a what's typically called a formula retail ordinance that prevents chain stores.

2909
04:21:28,960 --> 04:21:48,600
In cities, there are a lot of cities in California have them and I have concerns around what it means to have national brands coming into established retail or restaurants, you know, for also in Hillsburg and so would like to agendize a conversation about adopting a formula retail ordinance.

2910
04:21:52,060 --> 04:21:57,300
We do not currently have an ordinance that prevents formula businesses from coming into

2911
04:21:57,300 --> 04:21:57,660
Hillsburg.

2912
04:21:57,780 --> 04:22:01,980
So if Applebee's wanted to open tomorrow, they could and we, you know, if the gap wanted

2913
04:22:01,980 --> 04:22:03,560
to open a store, they could as well.

2914
04:22:03,660 --> 04:22:08,260
It looks like that according to the email we got, we were going to have that come before Council

2915
04:22:08,260 --> 04:22:13,600
in 2010 or 2011 after the general plan and then it got taken off the agenda and then they

2916
04:22:13,600 --> 04:22:14,720
never adopted it.

2917
04:22:15,540 --> 04:22:16,020
So.

2918
04:22:16,020 --> 04:22:19,860
There's a limiter in the plaza, though, right? Yes. It's just that, though.

2919
04:22:20,120 --> 04:22:23,320
There is no ordinance that prevents businesses from doing that.

2920
04:22:23,460 --> 04:22:27,660
On the plaza, we just have currently general plan guiding principles.

2921
04:22:28,200 --> 04:22:29,940
Got it.

2922
04:22:29,940 --> 04:22:30,800
I'm for it.

2923
04:22:32,980 --> 04:22:39,100
So your request is a discussion at the next council meeting about adopting a future

2924
04:22:39,100 --> 04:22:43,380
ordinance or a discussion about why we do or do not have an ordinance and what it means.

2925
04:22:45,260 --> 04:22:46,500
Let's see.

2926
04:22:47,160 --> 04:22:49,500
Is there anyone else interested in having such a discussion?

2927
04:22:50,700 --> 04:22:52,500
Does it have to happen right away?

2928
04:22:54,120 --> 04:22:59,960
I mean, we literally just approved our council goals, let's even think.

2929
04:23:04,680 --> 04:23:07,760
The store that's already in has a lease already.

2930
04:23:08,520 --> 04:23:13,080
If I'm understanding it right, there are already listed as at 114.

2931
04:23:14,700 --> 04:23:19,540
And in the conversation they were going to be here for us, we don't have it.

2932
04:23:20,060 --> 04:23:22,280
Yeah, no, I know.

2933
04:23:28,360 --> 04:23:32,020
I'm hesitant at this time in terms of doing it right away.

2934
04:23:32,240 --> 04:23:36,180
I am open to having this conversation at some point, but I think right now, what the priorities

2935
04:23:36,180 --> 04:23:43,360
that we have with only a couple meetings until the, you know, until July and with everything

2936
04:23:43,360 --> 04:23:50,040
we have, I think, I would prefer to have that maybe after the break. So that's something I agree with that.

2937
04:23:50,600 --> 04:23:56,120
Yeah. Yeah. So it sounds like there's two council members of myself who want to have a conversation,

2938
04:23:56,580 --> 04:24:01,080
just not. Not next meeting. I think. Yeah. I'll be open to conversation.

2939
04:24:02,400 --> 04:24:09,640
It's something that needs to be timed up. Yeah. I just want to make sure we take your direction

2940
04:24:09,640 --> 04:24:16,440
clearly my heard one mention of after the break. I want to make sure that's actually the direction.

2941
04:24:22,240 --> 04:24:26,440
I have concerns that there we don't have an ordinance on the books.

2942
04:24:28,790 --> 04:24:31,670
I think being responsive to what

2943
04:24:31,670 --> 04:24:36,070
is happening to the businesses that are raising this issue is why I asked to agendize it sooner

2944
04:24:36,070 --> 04:24:45,070
rather than later, but that said if that's not the majority of the council, then

2945
04:24:47,950 --> 04:24:48,530
I'm

2946
04:24:48,530 --> 04:24:55,270
Yeah, so I think after the break sometimes you like, yeah, yeah. Okay, all right anything else

2947
04:24:57,290 --> 04:25:01,550
I will close the meeting at 1020. Thank you