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This conference will now be recorded.

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In terms of these big meetings, they forget the rules.

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Good take a long time.

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Come on.

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Hi, non-opt, we just get up to the walkout.

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Who's my baby?

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Starts with.

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Because I'm some two else.

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I'm full.

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He's royalty.

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You got better eyes than I think because I can't see him.

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Okay, let's go ahead and get started, like to welcome everybody to our planning meeting tonight.

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It's like we got a few folks in the house, like welcome you here.

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My name is Dennis Guy.

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I'm the chairman of the planning commission to my left.

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I have Derek Saganski and Greg Royale and to my right here.

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I have Robert Wilson.

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Thank you.

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I know who you are, but when I hear my voice over that microphone, I go weird.

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Bill Jordan and Tori broken. Yes. Thank you, Kerry. Appreciate you guys.

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I'm like a welcome our staff. Thank you for all of hard work you put into this tonight.

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First item of business, be the pledge of allegiance to have somebody.

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Nice to Jordan. Would you like to do that? If everyone would join us, pledge of allegiance.

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Thank you everyone.

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This time we have opening for prayer or a thought.

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Does anyone have anything I'd like to offer at this time?

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So I will offer just a little brief thought.

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I'm not going to do it in a major summary.

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Just thought about how our government works,

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I guess, and the purpose for our planning meetings, why it's so important to have public hearings,

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as this body represents the people of the Hebrew city.

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And as we try to help manage the growth wave,

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that's been coming our way for quite some time now,

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it's very important for us to hear from the folks,

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not only represent the folks who are here and comment and deliver information,

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but also the silence as well.

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So we appreciate you taking time out of your evening tonight coming here and offering your council to us so we can make good decisions.

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That's our goal here.

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We're just reminding the council to commission in that that we're here for not our own personal purposes for the purpose of the community and for the city.

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With that, I will also ask if there's anyone who needs to recuse himself or conflict of interest.

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Okay. We have none at this time on this meeting. Good. All right. We'll move on to our

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consent agenda, which is item number one in our excuse me. Item number two, section number

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one in the consent agenda. The minutes for October 22nd, 2024 meeting. Mr. Chair, move

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to approve. Yeah, I have a motion on the table to approve. We'll have a second.

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I'll second. Yeah, but motion and a second is there any discussion this time go now. Here

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no discussion. I'll go ahead and call for vote. All those in favor say aye. Are there any opposed?

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Hearing done and the motion carries unanimously. Thank you, everyone. Okay, so move on to item number

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three section number three, which is our action items for the evening. And we do have a couple of

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items here. I think the majority of folks are here for and I think we'll probably have quite a bit of

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the comment I'm hoping anyway. And so I'm going to juggle as is the right of the chairman

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to shuffle a schedule a little bit. So I'll move on to item number two in our action items,

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which would be consider recommendation for the Wellberg Kruger annexation located at 3725

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Lake Creek Road, parcel number 07-8563. Mr. Baron, I believe this one is yours.

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Chairman, the addition is not here yet. I believe they believe they'd be on later. So let's move to item number three.

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That's item number three. I got folks here ready for that one. Okay.

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Go ahead and move on then. We'll move to item number three in our action items to be consider a preliminary subdivision approval for saw mill phase seven located at 1790 south mill road.

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Ms. Roberts this would be yours.

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I'm going to go through this really quickly. I am going to lean on Jamie a little bit for the history and a little bit of the background on this one as I wasn't hearing a lot about it, but this is the Somel phase 7 subdivision. It's in this Somel plant community on the east side, just north of the forest service property.

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It includes 22 lots for single family dwellings, subdivision is covered by the planned community mixed use code, which is grandfathered under that code and is designated neighborhoods with open space by the general plan.

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And the subdivision is expected to be completed in one phase.

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Let's see.

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Toilet subdivision includes total of 5.34 acres and contains 22 lots.

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Toilet includes 0.64 acres of open space.

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It would also include a stub for 1790 south,

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which is intended to connect with Hayden Creek Lane to the east

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through property owned by the U.S. Full of Service Adelator date.

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All units built in this development will be single family dwellings,

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scale, massing and design of which will be dictated by the PCMU code.

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Okay, this is both subdivision by the constraints found in the code, such as lot frontage,

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lot size, street cross sections.

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That is something that we want to discuss a little bit of a discrepancy between the neighborhood

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to the north and the required street cross sections for this subdivision as a part of the

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Subdivision of the Sondyl Master Plan.

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This application, the Subdivision,

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does abide by the general plan and also the code

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that it is underneath the general plan.

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Designates it as single-family dwellings.

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Density ranging between 3 to 20 units per acre.

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The Subdivision is planned for single-family dwellings

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with a density of around 4 units per acre.

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Peek characteristics of the neighbors of open space.

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small lot clusters, town homes, open space achieved through clustering, generally located adjacent

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to centers. The proposed subdivision is compliant with general plan. So in conclusion, staff would

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recommend approval of this subdivision based on the findings of the subdivision, the bides

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with the general plan designation, as well as the PCMU code. With all conditions of the city engineer

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being met. And now I think is where we want to, I don't know if part of my word or Ross,

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if we want to talk about the street cross sections.

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On the engineering, I believe they just need to address that as an important process. It's not

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something totally confusing up our review or holding up our crew. Who believe that is

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I don't want to need to be trusted, can't be trusted, so I'm going to put it all in a little

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time.

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Any other comments you just find?

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Well, Steve has anything to do with you.

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I was going to speak to a little bit, is if we go back to the phase 7 in the master plan and

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the development agreement, that 1790 South, originally, there was in that initial master

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find concept came out all the way to Mill Road.

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But in the agreement, there was a discussion

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of whether that needed to be aligned with Hidden Creek Lane

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or just come out when the plan was originally

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approved, the neighbors on the east side were very concerned

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about the current location, not currently,

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originally proposed location due to the fact

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that it was going to be, or I don't know if she still does.

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It's like a year.

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of somebody online, can they mute?

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Thank you.

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Their concern was where that traffic and how

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it interface with their driveways and properties.

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And at the time, the planning and engineering

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and we looked at all the transportation plan,

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we did feel that it would be best if we could

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to try to match that up with hidden quick lanes

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when we have offset roads as well as issues with the names.

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At the time, there was a thought that potentially in the future in the county that hidden

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creek lane may extend. I don't think that's necessarily something that we're going to

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see in the future, but that's really county stuff we don't want to get too much into. But in

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this process, as we've talked to the applicant in the engineers, we wanted to preserve that ability

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to line that up with hidden creek lane. So that's why you're seeing 190 curved down towards the

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the Forest Service property and hopes that we as we're talking to the Forest Service that we can

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get that road to line up with him quickly to make sure that we've got east-west connections

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that are at least lining up together or having intersections line up instead of offset. So that's

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that's where between planning and engineering and the applicant we've agreed to to this potential

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or this layout right here to preserve that feasibility in the future.

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Okay, thank you, Mr. Baron.

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I was our applicant here tonight.

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I would like to address the planning commission.

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Mr. Ball, thank you.

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Chairman, thank you, Mr. Miller.

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Excuse me.

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Now, we've gone through the application.

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I'll maybe touch base a little bit at once.

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Right away.

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Just as a point of history, PCMU as part of the master plan

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have different road bus sections that were accustomed and non-standard to anything else

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I've never had.

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And I was proof that way is a function of the overall hospital.

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One of the issues that we're dealing with this one is that everything to the north of

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this which we're going to face six of the Brookside subdivision kind of the University of

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San Francisco right away.

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Everything inside of Song No was a group of people.

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It has a function of that.

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Again, these have been laid out.

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And the 58, much right into the 60,

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with the taper,

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it doesn't be soft

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for engineering was to make this 60

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can match everything with the group.

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One of our biggest concerns to begin with that

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was to say, okay, well, we are sitting right now

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at minimum loss sizes.

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And does that additional right away?

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all the Center Center are so those lots smaller than the minimums allowed by that BCN

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view. As we analyzed that, the answer was no, they don't. They don't

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think anything

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in engineering, of course, Jane brought the issue with the Roman land in a really

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way that if anybody would, they will be that way.

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This remote coming up with some of the old

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I was really glad to come up and come up right through the middle of this with lots on both sides, very symmetrical, easy to connect to you.

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But again, neighbors on the east side, we're very concerned about headlight speech.

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And so I think this is a great compromise to figure out a good way to get future roads to light up.

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But in general, why it's going to be totally nice, we're good at it.

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And then you, for instance, comments, you're okay with that.

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Yeah, it's taking you a right way. We have a problem with that.

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In our analysis, it didn't.

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It didn't rain during this last one.

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Okay, perfect. Thank you.

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Anything else you'd like to?

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This is other questions for me.

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Okay, Mr. Hanson, go ahead.

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Perfect.

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Perfect.

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Thank you.

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Appreciate you being willing to work with the city and all the various issues that come in with these things.

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Um, okay. With that, I'll go ahead and turn the time over to the planning commission. Now if you have any questions or concerns or

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Anything regarding this development go down.

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Okay. Well if I hear none then I'll go ahead. I would in their cameo. This is time.

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This is an act.

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Can item, so you can move to approve or move to deny or continue, if you feel like you need more information.

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Excuse me, I could see you.

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Join your fingernails.

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I make a motion to accept.

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Somel phase 7 as covered in the staff report.

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Do I need to put the exception of the 60?

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I think it's as far as we can request that

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the rain down there.

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I would just say that just mentioned that it'd be worked.

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That worked out.

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I thought something I'm not really worried about because it is already an engineering comment.

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Yeah, I think it's just to say to come to an agreement on that.

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Well, the issue we, well, the issue that this brought up is that we have a code that says 58.

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And then we have a request for it.

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So that's something we need to work through internally,

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maybe that's not a big deal, but I would just leave it as it gets worked out. So I think we'll

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probably land on that 60, but that's what we need to work through that.

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I'll make a motion to approve the Sommil Phase 7.

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Platt's working through the road with issues as described. Does that work?

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Thank you. I have a motion on the table. I have a second. And second at the time, any other

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discussion in the motion. Go now. Okay, hearing none. I would go ahead and call for vote on the motion. All those in favor say aye. Hi, are any opposed.

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Okay, hearing none. The motion carries unanimous. Okay. Good luck.

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Good project. Thank you.

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All right.

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Moving on to our applicants here for.

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Okay. We'll just move on. Okay. We'll move on to action item number one in our.

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In our action items which the public hearing for proposed amendment, to the annexation policy plan, that would be Mr.

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Colour.

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So we'll go ahead and turn the time over to you, Mr. Colour. It's time is now yours. He's incoming.

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Oh, okay.

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Good evening.

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Good evening.

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Good evening.

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Good evening.

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Good evening.

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Good evening.

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Good evening.

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This sets forth the regulations and the parameters by which local government, including

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Heber City and Los Angeles County, can operate, as far as zoning laws and annexation.

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Around 2006, the state adopted a requirement that any city doing an annexation has to have

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an annexation policy plan, designating the area they are willing and able to annex.

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The city has adopted that plan and amended it a few times, in fact, the city amended it this year.

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The properties under question 4,000 acres that are in question are currently not within the city's annexation policy plan.

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In order for the city to even negotiate or visit with the developer about changing densities

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or doing particular architectures or mitigating any densities,

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he or city will need to amend the annexation policy plan.

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This is not, and the same is an annexation.

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All it is is saying that the city is able to consider an annexation.

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An annexation process is entirely separate and takes over a year.

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If the city ultimately does amend an annexation policy plan,

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the city can still say no to an annexation.

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It's a legislative process.

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It's negotiation and the city is able to negotiate through that process.

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I'll show up on the screen, you can see in the purple, so I think you can, are my sharing

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the screen, okay, okay, so I'll find the screen, you can see the purple represents

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the current city boundaries,

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the blue color represents the expansion area, so a big part

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the hill is right here. That's is the Jordanell Ridge development. The north village is right

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down here. You can see the city's considering an annexation over here in the north village.

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Benlock Ranch is in this blue area. It's currently proceeding in the unincorporated county and

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is chosen not the annex. The properties we're talking about tonight are shown in green. It's the

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I would say at all there's two or three other minor properties, west, Jacobson, and I apologize, I'm, oh, come, it's all right. Yeah, thank you.

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So we can certainly zoom in a little closer if you want to later.

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The state code prescribes a process for

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amending the annexation policy plan.

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And this is a public hearing.

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It is the second step in amending the plan.

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The first step is to, for the city planning commission

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to meet with the county and talk about their concerns,

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which we did.

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The city has a letter from the county.

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We did that last month.

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The second step is a public hearing with the planning commission.

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And we specifically reach out to all the affected entities, including the county, the sewer

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district, the water district, to get their input on the city potentially mending this map.

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The third step is the city council holding a public hearing and doing the same thing that you

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are tonight. As a planning commission, your role tonight is recommending body, you are not the final

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decision maker. As you hold public hearings, best practice, I would recommend that you hold

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the public hearing tonight, not make a decision and take the next couple of weeks to

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all over what you hear tonight and come back ready to talk about what you hear tonight in a

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couple of weeks. You'll make a better decision if you have a couple of weeks to think it over.

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So again, our recommendation is close of public hearing tonight.

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Don't make a decision.

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That's how we've managed for quite a while,

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actually, the larger decisions we make.

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So we're talking about this green area again.

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That's the key critical part that is being talked about tonight.

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And that's all I have for my presentation, Chairman.

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OK, thank you.

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Um, sorry, applicant here would like to approach me.

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Offer a few words of livin.

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Tony,

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test test.

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Can you guys

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hear this? Okay.

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Great.

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I'm Greg Whitehead from Final Development.

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And I'm as one second.

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Can everybody hear them okay in the back?

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No. Okay.

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Some of the folks may be approaching five.

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Did you may have to crank it up a little.

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I will speak loudly. Is that better for me? Is that better?

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Okay. Well, we're happy to be here.

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Is this good? I'm going to do a couple of test lines.

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No, you're good. I just want to make sure everybody's able to hear well.

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Great. Great.

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Well, thanks for having us. We're happy to be here and to go through the process.

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We welcome the process and we are firm believers that we think that the project

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in the community comes out better on the other side of this process so we welcome we welcome this.

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So we've been here before and we've kind of spoken pretty generally about the projects and so

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I think right now I'm I would welcome any discussion that there might be with with the council

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and we'll obviously go over some information right now but at any point if you have questions or anything

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I would welcome that. I'm much rather, I much prefer the two-way communication than the one-way, but

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so we have presented, we have shown a lot of the project and I don't know if we necessarily need to

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rehash a lot of the, some of the details that we've gone over before. I'm happy to do that.

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However, as Tony was discussing, you know, this is an amendment to the policy and we are anxious

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to get into the details of this project and I think we're really close to doing that but I think that is

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primarily reserved for the when we are discussing annexation as opposed to just the policy change.

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So now having said that, we've obviously met with, we were there, I did a lot of talking,

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but the county and the city got together and we've discussed that length, a number of details and

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And there's some obvious concerns that people are having and I think it's probably appropriate

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to go over a few of those items tonight and at least start forming the basis of what

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could be and how we can resolve some of those.

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I think if there was a takeaway for today, it is that this project can be discussed and that

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There can be a way that makes, there is a win-win, right?

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So I think what we want to walk away from today is, is can the project move forward and is there,

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is there a happy medium that everybody can live with and overall a net positive to the community?

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That is what we want.

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So let's just start. I'm going to go over a few things here.

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What we want to achieve at the Wasatch Highlands development,

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which is generally what we're calling it.

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This is how premature it feels. We don't officially know the name,

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but Wasatch Highlands will call it that.

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We want to have an area of the heat, so we love the Wasatch back, we love the Hebrew Valley.

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My uncle and aunt have lived in Midway. I live in St. George full time, but my uncle and aunt are here.

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They've been here a long time. John and Beverly Prince are my uncle and aunt. He's been the dentist here.

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And I've got roots here and I love it here.

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I think this value is special and growing up in Southern Utah. I always thought Southern Utah was very special

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and it's grown, right? And it's grown rapidly and there's certainly aspects of my childhood

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that my kids aren't getting with that really small town. I mean, I grew, I just played in the

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alpha field across the street. You know, and I got teased a lot with, you know, not wearing enough

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clothes while playing in the fields, you know, I kind of think. So everybody knew me and

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everybody knew everybody and I love I love that feel. I also so I understand I understand

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the there is positive as a negative to growth. I don't think that I could have controlled

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or made St. George not grow. But I love St. George now. I love it now and I look

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I see Hebrew Valley and these communities,

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and I see parallels to what I grew up with in St. George.

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And so I love it up here. I want to keep it special.

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Ultimately what I'm trying to say is, yes, this is a development that is growth.

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It does signal growth. However, my intent, our intent, is to keep this as tasteful and as community oriented as possible.

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And so, that's why we've incorporated things like large amounts of open space dedicated open to the public, not behind gates.

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We want to have lots of trails.

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I've grown up having bike trails and walking trails and mountain biking trails all around me and I love it.

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I actually took it for granted. I assumed every community had it. They don't.

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And so I mean, I want that for everybody.

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We want to preserve and have wildlife trails and areas

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where people can walk around and see elk and see wild turkeys.

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And all the things that you would want to see

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and experience in the Hebrew Valley.

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Right? So, right now, we have just under, we'll call it, 4,500 acres. It's preserved for a handful

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of families. We want to preserve the land for the community. We really do. And I think in our internal

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planning which changes you know we we we have taken an approach that says

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Given the topography, given the vegetation, given the wildlife trails,

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the slope analysis,

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the natural river that's going down, how do we design it without interrupting those things?

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So we do have an internal plan of how we feel things can flow within the property that we are developing.

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And we have really tried to preserve and take care of all the beauty that the valley has done.

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That's very high on our list.

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So, all right.

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Now, some of the other items,

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water, water is a big deal.

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It's a big deal for everywhere in Utah.

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that's a definitely a big deal for the WASAT area.

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So we have been working with individuals and groups that have water.

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We treat water very carefully.

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Our plan is to have water systems that,

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well, water and sewer oftentimes go together.

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We want to make sure that we're capturing and we have high efficiency use of water.

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part of our planning is to have, if you have an oversized estate, so if there is larger

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estates, we have building envelopes that you're not allowed to come in and put grass and

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ponds necessarily on a five acre estate. Some of our neighbors have that great. That's great

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and they're beautiful. That's not our intent. We don't have enough water for that, frankly.

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So we are having building envelopes that shrink that down, keeps most of your property very natural.

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It preserves the views for everybody looking at your property, it keeps it very natural.

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But it also helps us to have a higher efficiency for the homes that we do bring into the development.

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Water will take more planning without a doubt.

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And over the next nine months to a year, as we go through the process, we are absolutely going to flush out more water concerns and we will come up with more water solutions.

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But water is high on our, frankly, it was the number one item when I was approaching this development is, okay, how do we do water correctly?

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Where do we find it? How do we make it efficient? How are we, how are we going to be good stewards in regards to everything? But yes, water.

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Sorry, did you have a question?

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Stewart is the same idea.

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We would love to work with our local SSDs with sewer.

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We will where we can if there's capacities, if that's available, then we will work with

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them and find local solutions if possible.

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If that isn't possible, there are absolutely solutions where we can do our own

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sewer,

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with in our development or close to it or something that will work in conjunction with the districts that are around.

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But sewer tends to be one of those things that you can find solutions to. So while there's not always immediate solutions, there's definitely technological solutions that we can do for sewer.

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So, I'm going to go down a list, but is there any questions on water and sewer?

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Any questions at this point?

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Okay.

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You want to add anything to water?

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I think we've covered that further.

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Well, if this is, you know, we've had meetings with the SSDs and, and, you know, they

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haven't came right out and said, hey, we can serve you with sewer, but there is from our

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opportunities for us to work with the SSDs, maybe at the for sewer on the interim

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push on the initial portions of our project, and then we'll solve our sewer issues

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as we go.

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Of course, this hearing tonight is specifically to just move the boundary, there's going

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to be a whole, it's going to be an entire process where we go through where we have to

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come in with various, very specific plans for sewer and water in order for the annexation

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to actually happen.

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So we're doing our best to provide enough information on utilities so that we can get some comfort levels with it, but like Greg mentioned, there's going to be 10 months to a year of discussions about making that work before we can ask for an annexation.

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And your confidence for access to water and the water hasn't changed from your initial discussion with us.

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When I first started looking at this project two years ago, I was always very worried about finding the water.

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That was always high.

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However, I'm confident at this point that we'll be able to resolve any water concerns.

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The reality is, we don't know what our project is.

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So, it's really hard to sit here until until we start talking specifics of talking,

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what we have enough water will we not, because as of right now, I don't know how much water

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we need. So that's a little bit of a double-edged sword, but I'm confident even of what we've

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internally put together, we could cover our water needs.

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So, I think the next big one, in my opinion,

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traffic. Traffic is one of those that's a little bit tricky because it overflows, you know,

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it goes off. It goes off of our property. And so traffic where water was the number one concern

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now traffic is is taken that spot in my opinion where it's okay, let's make sure we do traffic right.

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The last thing I want to do is be a burden to anybody. And so traffic we have to be,

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correctly. There's a couple of good things about traffic planning. Number one, this is not

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happening overnight. This is a 30 to 40 year project.

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We have time to, we have time to implement

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solutions as we come up. Even difficult solutions can be implemented if you've got decades of

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which we will have inevitably.

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Number two, with the annexation of this project into Hebrew,

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we will not only have a plan for traffic for off-site traffic management,

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but we will have a mechanism now through taxes and impact fees

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to at least help address those problems.

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those, what I would describe as inevitable problems with or without our project. As we've

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been working with our traffic engineer, it's become clear that even if we don't build

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anything, we're going to, there's going to be level of service problems in about eight years

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or so on Lake Creek and other, other of these collectors that, you know, that we will

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disturb. It is going to be a problem with or without us. To me, that has become absolutely clear.

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And so, at least with us, we can come together and we can have a plan that as the road

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widens, which is inevitable, with or without us, there will be growth. These roads will grow with,

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with just what has been put forward. With what is already zoned and permitted, we're going to

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what is the status quo? The nice thing is, as it grows, it handles more flow. And what we want to do is,

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I guess what I would say is from efficient planning, you don't necessarily need roads that have now grown

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from say two lanes to three lanes or three lanes to four lanes. If, if your level of service, it has to

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we had a C class C, which is Hebers City Policy.

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And you've now grown and you're forced to do that with or with, let's say we don't show up.

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And you're forced to go to one extra lane.

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And now you've got level of service A, the efficient thing would do would be to add to that

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and collect some fees and some taxes that help you grow and fix other places of the city

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and the area.

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So what I'm what I'm saying is the good news is we have decades to plan this, we have mechanisms to facilitate the plan without us.

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You're still going to be growing these areas without any of the increased revenues.

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So traffic is a tricky one.

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However, I do think that we have the time and capacity to fix the traffic.

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So, I mean, this is me speaking now.

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I hope within the next 30, 40 years as traffic needs go crazy.

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I'm hoping that we're all in flying cars, at some point.

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So, you know, let's hope that we're all doing flying cars.

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So, we'll see what that happens.

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Let's see.

449
00:39:33,250 --> 00:39:35,710
I guess we could talk a little bit more about the location.

450
00:39:36,670 --> 00:39:47,020
And I love the location and this is a partnership with, obviously, with the state and with

451
00:39:47,020 --> 00:39:48,260
the Christian's and family.

452
00:39:48,740 --> 00:39:50,800
Vote Christian's and is here with us tonight.

453
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,120
He'll likely get up during the public hearing portion and speak.

454
00:39:56,700 --> 00:40:01,120
We understand, his family has been in this family for a very, very long time, they've been

455
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:16,820
And we want to help them be as successful as they can be as a family, and monetize the lands that's been in their family for a very long time.

456
00:40:17,220 --> 00:40:25,840
This isn't the only parcels that they've owned. They've owned quite a bit quite a bit of that hill that's now being developed was originally in their family.

457
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:31,920
They haven't financially benefited from, basically any of it, is the reality.

458
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:40,480
This is the last that's left and it's a mantle on my shoulders to help their family realize

459
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:47,420
some of their generational wealth that has never been realized and so while I think it's

460
00:40:47,420 --> 00:40:53,920
good for everybody, if this development goes forward, including the community, I do think there's

461
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:59,900
special portion of it that says, hey, this family has been here forever, that has done agriculture

462
00:40:59,900 --> 00:41:09,780
for a long time, has finally has an opportunity to step up and realize some of that, that

463
00:41:09,780 --> 00:41:15,920
their grandfather, great grandfather, all of that has gone through hurting sheep. It's finally

464
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,940
able to realize some of those gains. Anything you want to add to that list?

465
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:27,440
I'll jump in and talk about a couple of the other items that the county had concerns over

466
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:32,720
that came in with their letter and that's specifically for electric power and with fiber

467
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:39,920
optic. Our plan for power and and for the fiber optic is, you know, there's two different

468
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:46,000
power per vears in the area. You've got Hebrew power and light as well as Rocky Mountain. Our plan

469
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:52,560
to meet with them and master plan for those communities as we move along. We have not met with them yet,

470
00:41:53,380 --> 00:41:57,260
but our plan is to do that in the next couple of weeks. In the same thing with fiber optic,

471
00:41:57,380 --> 00:42:03,300
we've got all West and Utah broadband in the area, but we're confident that for power and

472
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:08,140
that for power and for communications that we'll be able to solve that by master planning and working with

473
00:42:08,140 --> 00:42:13,700
those agencies to be able to move that along. We feel it's a pretty straightforward item. Once we get past

474
00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:17,920
some of the others, but that was on the list and so that will be our plan is to meet with

475
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,560
what those four entities over the next couple of weeks.

476
00:42:22,730 --> 00:42:24,630
By the way, the flying cars was a bit

477
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:29,510
tongue-in-cheek for the, for any reporters that are,

478
00:42:32,530 --> 00:42:34,690
okay. Any other thing you'd like,

479
00:42:34,930 --> 00:42:40,710
else you'd like to add? This is your chance to sell it to the public. Well, we've gone over most of

480
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:45,840
it. I'd just tell you what I'm most excited for, you know, a couple of things we want to have

481
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,300
of really fun recreation areas in our open space.

482
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:53,280
We've got another really great tubing area

483
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,640
that's similar to Soldier Hollow,

484
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,560
that we've got planned or attempted to be looking

485
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,120
at possibly a little bunny hill that's a rope toe

486
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,900
that could work out there.

487
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,280
We've been working with the US cycling team

488
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,740
to have an absolute world class

489
00:43:06,740 --> 00:43:10,060
cross country and downhill mountain biking trail system,

490
00:43:10,690 --> 00:43:12,660
which we're very, very excited for.

491
00:43:12,660 --> 00:43:25,200
We've been working with county trails to get all of the hiking and all the trail system of the county to be interconnected, which we feel is very important.

492
00:43:25,780 --> 00:43:41,340
We've met with all of our neighboring developments, and we're working with having connectivity for roadways and trail systems to all of them is our hope, especially all of them that would like to connect to us.

493
00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:53,100
We feel like in the mitigating traffic realm, you know, we want to have a commercial and kind of village center to the north of our project.

494
00:43:53,780 --> 00:44:00,380
We would love to have a community where you can live work and play and limit the amount of times you have to come into town.

495
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,220
We don't want to require everybody to have to come into town.

496
00:44:03,220 --> 00:44:11,320
It will happen and it no question, but if we can mitigate that from the get go that'll reduce our traffic counts, which we want to do.

497
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:19,380
But overall, I've got a family, I've got four kids aged six to 17.

498
00:44:20,340 --> 00:44:22,260
I would love to have a house up here.

499
00:44:22,860 --> 00:44:25,340
I want my kids to play in the snow.

500
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:34,040
when it's going to go on an alpine slide in the summer and lock it to fees or from a distance

501
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:39,400
CMS, you know, that's, I mean that's special. That's what I want and I want that for other people.

502
00:44:40,900 --> 00:44:46,140
So, and if I might add, we do have another exhibit, Tony, which mind bringing that up. This is a very

503
00:44:46,140 --> 00:44:50,900
similar exhibit too. We had that we had previously, I think really the only change to this exhibit.

504
00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:59,900
this has been submitted to the city is we're showing our, we're showing our project kind of in yellow and then we do have some neighbors that

505
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,940
That have talked about adding their properties to the annexation request or to the APP boundary request, and they're shown on this map on the south side, and kind of a light lavender color.

506
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:18,300
That would be a liberty ranch, the Kim personal, and then there's a couple of Jacobson family parcels that that have also, they came to the meeting previously and requested those.

507
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:26,780
So we've updated our map to show those that are there and this gives it kind of a general feel for for how we think the project might be planned.

508
00:45:29,310 --> 00:45:32,930
I want to add what I would do since this map is up.

509
00:45:33,210 --> 00:45:33,990
I will say this.

510
00:45:34,110 --> 00:45:38,130
We haven't had, I mean, we've had a lot of conversations with cities, city staff, and others.

511
00:45:39,310 --> 00:45:44,690
I just want to express, we haven't been able to get into the details yet.

512
00:45:44,930 --> 00:45:46,270
And like I said, I welcome that.

513
00:45:46,270 --> 00:45:54,430
And I am excited and anticipate that to be a good, a good thing with the communications.

514
00:45:54,430 --> 00:45:59,670
from some of the items that I've heard from the community, from other people I've met with,

515
00:45:59,930 --> 00:46:05,730
you know, we've already internally changed how the phasing would work and how we can,

516
00:46:06,590 --> 00:46:14,230
essentially, the land, if we worked the land from South to North, which is probably the most natural way to do it,

517
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:19,930
The first five phases are all status quo.

518
00:46:20,290 --> 00:46:24,670
They're all bigger lots similar to our neighbors, very much that way.

519
00:46:25,410 --> 00:46:29,410
And frankly, we felt like after hearing some feedback,

520
00:46:29,950 --> 00:46:33,410
we weren't getting to affordable housing fast enough.

521
00:46:34,170 --> 00:46:40,090
And so we've made some modifications, even already, which is funny, because you don't know what it was before.

522
00:46:40,090 --> 00:46:45,870
But, and there's these can all change, but I guess my point that I'm making is

523
00:46:45,870 --> 00:46:51,690
based off of feedback we've already received from people that we've met with within the city and the county.

524
00:46:52,530 --> 00:46:57,550
We're modifying that so that we can within the first few phases we can get into some

525
00:46:57,550 --> 00:47:04,430
areas that have more affordable housing that is not your two acre, five acre, 10 acre parcels.

526
00:47:04,430 --> 00:47:10,530
we want to get into where someone a schoolteacher or anyone else could afford to live in this area

527
00:47:10,530 --> 00:47:16,010
and we want to get there faster. We felt like even though it's much further north,

528
00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:21,630
it's not seen from the valley floor. We need to improve the roads and the utilities to get

529
00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:27,510
those areas where we can start making a bigger impact faster for the affordability,

530
00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:30,610
which I think is a problem for everywhere in the state.

531
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:38,640
Yeah. Anyone on the commission

532
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:47,000
have any questions at this time for our applicant or for staff? I'd like to know why you're

533
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:54,620
looking for annexation in the Hebrew. What's the purpose of that for you besides just sucking

534
00:47:54,620 --> 00:48:06,500
off the city and all our resources in everything we have? What benefits you in the annexation?

535
00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:12,260
Yeah. Okay. That's a great. It's a good question. I'll phrase it differently a little bit.

536
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:13,900
I don't actually don't think we're exactly that way.

537
00:48:13,900 --> 00:48:21,960
We probably have different attitudes. Yeah. Yeah. So I can understand the question.

538
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:28,540
I think this is a municipal project. Number one, I don't think it's a county project.

539
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:35,980
And so I feel like it's it would be inappropriate almost to work this type of project

540
00:48:35,980 --> 00:48:42,120
through the county. I think this is what I would describe as a municipal project. The most logical,

541
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:50,240
easiest municipality that is nearest, we border in this case, we border the Hebrew city. So for

542
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:56,400
us, if we wanted to do a project of this caliber, I think it would be appropriate to go to Hebrew

543
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:05,160
and to work with Hebrew. Now, as for sucking the resources, I don't, until we get into the details,

544
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:12,200
I personally don't see the resources that we're, that we're going to be taking, as matter

545
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:19,900
of fact, we're planning on dedicating large swaths of land to the city for civic uses

546
00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:29,180
for public parks. I would say almost every utility, everything we're doing is self-sustained

547
00:49:29,180 --> 00:49:31,060
within the development.

548
00:49:33,180 --> 00:49:38,140
So I'm not 100% sure of me phrase it this way.

549
00:49:38,180 --> 00:49:40,520
I believe this is going to be a net positive

550
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:42,720
financially for the city.

551
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,160
I don't think this will be a negative in any way.

552
00:49:50,860 --> 00:49:51,020
Thank you.

553
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:52,320
Any other questions or comments?

554
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:55,020
Mr. Jordan?

555
00:49:55,540 --> 00:49:57,160
I'm sure just for all those.

556
00:49:57,240 --> 00:50:00,280
There are 10 years seeing us look at our screens and I want

557
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,640
to everybody to understand that we've received a lot of public

558
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:13,660
comment on this as a planning commission, so while we're listening, we're also reading a lot of input from the public here to understand that's why you see our hands are down here.

559
00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:29,580
I'd like to ask, if you to review the plan long term plan of these access roads to get in around the property, both on what is the south and also the north could do review those for us right now.

560
00:50:29,580 --> 00:50:38,300
and further with the comment you've served in the county relevant to right away to get to the road with needed for the flows projected.

561
00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:46,980
How are you planning on dealing with that pretty substantial issue? So let's understand what you're proposing as your connector to Heber.

562
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:55,640
Okay, and then let's understand better how you're planning on gaining the road required to be able to make those roads work.

563
00:50:56,820 --> 00:51:02,640
Yeah, so let me start by saying this we are working with Hills engineering they do traffic

564
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:10,280
engineering and while we've met with them numerous times certainly the full plan is not

565
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:18,220
fleshed out it's that is an expensive plan to put together so you know we we do want to

566
00:51:18,220 --> 00:51:23,980
have at least an understanding that this process moves forward before we spend the potentially

567
00:51:23,980 --> 00:51:26,880
to 50 hundreds of thousands of dollars to do the plan.

568
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,580
But we have met a number of times.

569
00:51:30,020 --> 00:51:36,700
And as of today, the plan is we have a little poll drive

570
00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:39,800
that connects us north and south, obviously through our property,

571
00:51:41,220 --> 00:51:45,600
which would end up being the major boulevard of the project.

572
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,420
That connects, you can kind of,

573
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:50,540
well, you can see on the map here,

574
00:51:50,620 --> 00:51:52,520
that will connect down to Lake Creek

575
00:51:52,520 --> 00:52:00,740
From where the traffic goes on Lake Creek is, our traffic engineers definitely will spell that out for us.

576
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:04,200
But there are several routes that anyone may go.

577
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:09,440
So if they want to go north or into the city, they could go down Lake Creek and they could then.

578
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,280
There's a new bypass that just opened up this past red ledges.

579
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:21,320
If you're going up toward Park City or Salt Lake area, you may avoid the downtown by taking that new little bypass that goes around the grocery store.

580
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:27,820
and connects up to the highway. If you're going south, you're likely to go off of little

581
00:52:27,820 --> 00:52:36,720
little pole and go on to 489 believe it. Yep. I believe if you were headed to the Provo area

582
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:42,480
if you're going down Provo Canyon, there'll be ways for for you to divert off of Lake Creek Road,

583
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:49,980
onto, onto, well, Mills there today, but you've got a 243600 as well as 4800 could,

584
00:52:49,980 --> 00:52:54,760
divert traffic to the south so that you basically bypass the downtown area and if I might

585
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,500
add on the map, I told you, Jim, I'm just zooming in on those kind of lavender areas.

586
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:05,320
So like Greg mentioned, we do have, on the, the beginning of our project phases, if we work

587
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:10,000
our way to the south, you can see there's, right in the center of those lavender areas, there's

588
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:15,680
what we're calling phase 1.1. And there's an existing road that runs through that, that

589
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:22,140
community now. So Westward Ho is there. There's a gate there for for the Wolf Creek community.

590
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:29,040
Their road actually runs through the settler property. But that will likely be our first phase

591
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:36,520
of improvements. So that traffic would likely come south on Westward Ho, west on big pole and then south

592
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:41,360
on little pole. What's not shown on this on this plan? I'm sure all of you have have driven up

593
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:49,840
little pole right little pole is the only roadway that can get you from the Heber Valley up on top until you get all the way over to the 40 to the East. So

594
00:53:49,840 --> 00:54:02,860
that little pole alignment will remain. What our plan to do is instead of keeping that road in the bottom of the 30 degrees of between the bridge and the Kim Park. So

595
00:54:02,860 --> 00:54:08,820
I think it's a little cold on the root of the liver branch parcel and it's not shown on this kind of approach.

596
00:54:10,020 --> 00:54:12,480
That would be kind of our minor entrance.

597
00:54:13,580 --> 00:54:16,980
Then, eventually, you can see that we have another large roadway that runs,

598
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:22,040
Willis Clyde actually owns the property immediately to the west of the Liberty Ranch parcel.

599
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:31,500
We actually met with Willis, but that roadway that's shown through his property is a current easement that's owned by settler through that property.

600
00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:37,960
So the main entrance to our property once we get past our first phase or two will be that

601
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:43,080
prop will be that roadway or kind of calling that Christians and boulevard so we have a name for it to

602
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:48,620
kind of give respect to the family but that's what our two connections would be would be major

603
00:54:48,620 --> 00:54:54,240
connection on right where the RD is in Lake Creek Road where that road comes up and through

604
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:59,780
would be our our our future major connection and the little poll would be our minor connection

605
00:54:59,780 --> 00:55:04,780
then on the north side of our property, we would like to connect.

606
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:12,300
It took me so Tony, could you go up on the phone please?

607
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:19,800
Yeah,

608
00:55:23,380 --> 00:55:26,980
that road is where the existing dirt road is today.

609
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:32,920
In fact, the majority of Christians in Parkway except for the very southern end is right where the road is now.

610
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:44,420
We would love the opportunity to connect that through to Jordan O'Ridge, Jordan O'Ridge's current traffic plan does show a connection here, but that's a private real estate that's next to us.

611
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,660
So that would be our major connection.

612
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:53,040
Also, that's not really shown on this is working from where phase 10.2 and 5.8R.

613
00:55:53,260 --> 00:55:56,620
There's a roadway that runs across through that nature park.

614
00:55:56,620 --> 00:56:01,680
And we'll run, or it's the north of the nature park.

615
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:22,400
We'll have a roadway that comes across right there now.

616
00:56:22,860 --> 00:56:26,380
I believe that that will be emergency access only out to Westward Hope,

617
00:56:26,460 --> 00:56:30,820
but it does provide the ability for fire to get through right there.

618
00:56:31,220 --> 00:56:34,680
We would also, if you might, wouldn't mind panning down a bit more.

619
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,000
Oh, sorry, panning up.

620
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:43,940
Right, where phase 9.3 is, which are for this North area, victory ramp is actually adjacent to us on the North side.

621
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:51,400
We just recently had the opportunity to, we were going to, we would like to open discussions about having a route.

622
00:56:51,860 --> 00:56:56,940
Phase 9.3, you know, phase 9.3 is a couple of decades away from us, right?

623
00:56:56,940 --> 00:57:06,980
a vote. We're willing, because we want an open project that has roadways that are allowed to be driven on by the public,

624
00:57:07,180 --> 00:57:13,000
as much interconnectivity as we can have with our neighbors. We're okay with, we obviously need them to agree with that.

625
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:20,160
So Mr. Jordan, I hope that answers your question as to what our plans are for the roadways. This is not new.

626
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:21,640
It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's.

627
00:57:23,580 --> 00:57:24,380
Thank you.

628
00:57:24,380 --> 00:57:30,960
Um, could be zoom out a little bit more and understand how you may or not have looked at connecting to the north and 32.

629
00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:36,360
These are the campus.

630
00:57:37,140 --> 00:57:37,480
So

631
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,400
the public maps that were available for Jordan Elridge, we connected.

632
00:57:47,340 --> 00:57:54,640
It was our understanding that that connection would take would be the case. Now, our, as we work with our traffic engineers,

633
00:57:54,640 --> 00:58:01,980
it doesn't look like we are sending very much traffic north, most of our traffic does not want

634
00:58:01,980 --> 00:58:07,160
to go to the 32. Right, so it's very small amount. As a matter of fact, having an access point

635
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:12,340
there, it's more likely that people from Jordan, No Ridge, will probably go south that we will go north.

636
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:20,060
I would say the conversations with us having connections to Jordan Elridge and to Benlock Branch

637
00:58:20,060 --> 00:58:21,460
are ongoing.

638
00:58:22,780 --> 00:58:27,560
But I'm optimistic that we'll make sure that there will be connections

639
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,680
and that something will happen to our north.

640
00:58:31,460 --> 00:58:34,440
If for some reason, we cannot connect there,

641
00:58:35,300 --> 00:58:37,280
there might not be a connection for 32.

642
00:58:37,500 --> 00:58:39,580
If I select through Benlock, which would happen,

643
00:58:39,820 --> 00:58:43,340
but if that doesn't happen, we won't have a connection to 32.

644
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:48,140
However, we will have a loop because of that access

645
00:58:48,140 --> 00:58:49,200
so you can have the westward.

646
00:58:49,780 --> 00:58:50,600
Okay, that's my one.

647
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,580
And so the right of ways that county of identified

648
00:58:54,580 --> 00:58:57,560
that are required for the road to be able to handle

649
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,480
a traffic you're proposing with your strategy

650
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,700
on getting those right of ways to widen the road.

651
00:59:08,900 --> 00:59:11,640
I'm sorry, you're not, obviously, I'll get you

652
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,560
to watch that out of the next several months.

653
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,080
I don't know, I mean, right now,

654
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,280
I wouldn't be able to go over any deep-filled plan.

655
00:59:18,700 --> 00:59:19,100
Right, whatever.

656
00:59:19,300 --> 00:59:21,320
Working with our engineers in the west side.

657
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:33,060
And what's obvious is the existing homeowners are seriously impacted.

658
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:34,560
So.

659
00:59:34,620 --> 00:59:36,920
I would say not as much as you think.

660
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:37,840
I drove it today.

661
00:59:38,020 --> 00:59:40,740
We looked at they have been this is this is a.

662
00:59:40,740 --> 00:59:42,920
It's a pretty major topic within our own development.

663
00:59:43,780 --> 00:59:47,600
And we feel like we've identified where we can absolutely.

664
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,160
Well, I shouldn't say we can work with the county.

665
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:59,980
We can work with the community to expand the roadways that need to be expanded regardless of us.

666
01:00:01,020 --> 01:00:30,060
So I think that's what's really important here. Lake Greek road will have to be widened whether we show up or not. And with us, we can have a better plan that is paid for. And and and we and working with our engineers, you know, we work closely with with hails and with at well. And we are confident that there is enough space without disturbing a lot of homeowners if any.

667
01:00:30,180 --> 01:00:33,680
that we can have the level of service that is required.

668
01:00:37,260 --> 01:00:38,040
Thank you.

669
01:00:38,300 --> 01:00:38,740
Good discussion.

670
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:41,300
Are there any other questions?

671
01:00:42,100 --> 01:00:43,040
Let's ask you to go ahead.

672
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:53,520
If we do not, if there's not a change to the map and you're not added to the annexation map,

673
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:55,660
do we look to incorporate?

674
01:00:59,070 --> 01:01:01,270
I hope you understand the question.

675
01:01:02,510 --> 01:01:03,050
Sorry.

676
01:01:03,450 --> 01:01:04,150
Say it one more time.

677
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:12,350
If the area, if this area isn't added to our annexation map, will you guys look to incorporate?

678
01:01:13,110 --> 01:01:14,350
Oh, for ourselves.

679
01:01:15,650 --> 01:01:16,410
That's certainly not.

680
01:01:22,140 --> 01:01:34,040
The version of that question is the rather significant load to our existing public safety services, fire medical and law enforcement.

681
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:41,740
And what plans do you have to essentially create or add to Hebrew services up in your area

682
01:01:41,740 --> 01:01:45,000
for us to be able to provide those services to you?

683
01:01:45,020 --> 01:01:46,540
We will all be expected to do that.

684
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:55,840
We have areas designated for civic throughout, and we are expecting to, what phase would

685
01:01:55,840 --> 01:02:03,460
they potentially, we need to respond to a lot of folks that are asking how fired an

686
01:02:03,460 --> 01:02:06,180
But they're house because somehow they're stuck up on your property.

687
01:02:07,580 --> 01:02:09,900
So this is an interesting question.

688
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,320
When we met with the Wolf Creek development,

689
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,340
they were excited for the idea that we might have a fire station somewhere

690
01:02:19,340 --> 01:02:23,300
in the north part of our project because now they can actually get fire insurance

691
01:02:23,300 --> 01:02:26,900
and other things that would connect to that emergency access.

692
01:02:26,940 --> 01:02:29,040
And now they've got coverage.

693
01:02:29,220 --> 01:02:30,720
They don't have coverage at this point.

694
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:37,600
As we've met with the fire chief and the fire departments and the service districts there,

695
01:02:38,780 --> 01:02:42,980
the answer ultimately is, we're willing to put that wherever they need it.

696
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:48,440
It would be probably inappropriate for me to say it's going to go right here when they don't need it right there.

697
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:56,860
So we want to work with them to have the best coverage for us and all the surrounding communities.

698
01:02:56,860 --> 01:03:00,400
I'm not naive to think that we're not part of a larger group.

699
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,360
And we have met with G-Pales and with Mr. Nearings on a couple of different occasions.

700
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:13,160
You know, they're seeing little poll as their ability to provide interconnectivity up on top of this red line.

701
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,940
We're 100% on board with with that.

702
01:03:16,220 --> 01:03:19,420
And because not only does it provide connectivity up a little poll,

703
01:03:19,740 --> 01:03:24,080
once we get our community completed, it will provide that loop that comes into Wolf Creek

704
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,180
to Westward Hill that's shown on the upper right-hand portion of this community.

705
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:32,380
So they see it as a benefit to them to provide some additional interconnectivity of roadways

706
01:03:32,380 --> 01:03:37,960
as well as us being able to provide the appropriate location for them to put a station.

707
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,640
Our first choice is to annex into the city of Thieber, without a doubt.

708
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,740
That is why we're here. There's other routes. Obviously we could have been entertained.

709
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,020
We like Thieber. We want to work with Thieber City.

710
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,240
Okay, thank you.

711
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:56,420
Any other questions or concerns?

712
01:03:58,600 --> 01:03:59,040
Okay.

713
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,340
We'll go ahead and get ready for our public hearing then.

714
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:07,700
Michelle, would you be interested in laying out the instructions?

715
01:04:12,070 --> 01:04:13,290
Oh, that's a great idea.

716
01:04:13,470 --> 01:04:16,310
Is there any other interests of parties here,

717
01:04:17,610 --> 01:04:18,490
their petitioners?

718
01:04:18,770 --> 01:04:22,050
They would like to address the council or the commission at this time?

719
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:29,400
I don't think they wanted to do that.

720
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,340
We'll go ahead and then work toward the public hearing, then, oh, nope, I got somebody

721
01:04:33,340 --> 01:04:34,060
who's here.

722
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:35,580
Oh, okay.

723
01:04:35,660 --> 01:04:36,560
Thank you.

724
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,100
Sorry, I wasn't aware.

725
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:39,340
It's best to the pulpit.

726
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,160
It just sounds just so everybody can hear me better.

727
01:04:42,980 --> 01:04:43,940
I'm never back.

728
01:04:49,580 --> 01:04:51,860
Let me just really briefly hear.

729
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:55,580
Are you property owners as part of this petition for the annexation?

730
01:04:56,700 --> 01:04:57,700
We are the livid.

731
01:04:58,280 --> 01:04:58,680
Liberty.

732
01:04:58,840 --> 01:04:59,040
Okay.

733
01:04:59,180 --> 01:05:01,640
So you are part of the request for the annexation.

734
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:02,140
Okay.

735
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:03,620
So your petitioner then go ahead.

736
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:18,160
We do understand that there's a side where there's concerns of growth, care, and there's always the pros and cons.

737
01:05:19,780 --> 01:05:31,640
Here in the valley, more than a minute, kind of very, very, very expensive growth approaches from around the year 2015.

738
01:05:32,580 --> 01:05:44,880
The thing is that we worked a long time to try to protect the natural beauty and the natural character of a can hit.

739
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:54,080
And like many people that you're probably hearing from, we also really were not against this development, but in general have any development.

740
01:05:54,080 --> 01:06:00,680
I took a step back and I said to myself, we can't stop it out of it.

741
01:06:01,420 --> 01:06:08,980
The thing that we can do is turn around with good partners who are responsible about how we want to go about developing.

742
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,840
We actually came a little bit late to this pilot party.

743
01:06:14,620 --> 01:06:17,840
We're really working with some of the larger parts of our team.

744
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:23,700
But when we met, we learned a little bit more about my plan.

745
01:06:24,820 --> 01:06:26,280
It was really felt like it was a benefit.

746
01:06:26,420 --> 01:06:32,080
Not just to can and, but to also to keep her safe.

747
01:06:32,860 --> 01:06:35,540
You know, we've been in Waza County for a long time.

748
01:06:36,820 --> 01:06:41,020
You know, we believe a private owner, in this case in particular,

749
01:06:41,300 --> 01:06:43,920
and we've witnessed, like, you know, a scosis.

750
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,800
Anyone in this entire county can say they have.

751
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:56,980
We have like 50 to their cells and it has been clean up again in our properties, it was property, you know, ourselves to try to beautify it.

752
01:06:57,460 --> 01:07:07,140
And when we came in and started to try to build our home, and we actually run up any flying on the public there, you know, people were, yes, what we were doing.

753
01:07:07,540 --> 01:07:17,180
And the same people, you know, a year or two later when the house was built and so on, our friends seeing us on, they came back and they actually really called when they saw there.

754
01:07:17,180 --> 01:07:22,560
because we also, I used to be a real pity to share very much about this

755
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:28,260
family, I'm curious about the West, it's kind of the first basis of our

756
01:07:28,260 --> 01:07:28,940
government.

757
01:07:31,420 --> 01:07:34,500
It was very important to me that, you know, our common

758
01:07:34,500 --> 01:07:37,800
focus is the health side. It was very important to me, the

759
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:42,080
fencing is not natural. It felt like it would have been there, you know,

760
01:07:42,220 --> 01:07:45,720
many, many years ago. And I have really believed that in the final

761
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:51,760
we've met a partner that has very similar upset and goals for what they want to put

762
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:58,120
they want to build. You know what I really do understand in certain abilities. Nobody's there

763
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:04,820
as closely as we are, day in, day out, taking care of that cannon and loading that cannon and

764
01:08:04,820 --> 01:08:10,240
entrance to the loophole board in a very positive way. Now the other thing is we're talking about

765
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:17,200
stewardship. And safety, those are two things that we've dealt with on regular basis

766
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:22,260
where we've had to call police out, we've had to call fire and burn out. And you know,

767
01:08:22,340 --> 01:08:28,340
because there's not a local, like there's not a close enough access. We was 28 years

768
01:08:28,340 --> 01:08:40,200
of our land. It wasn't quite one entire controlled world, you know, by way from it. So yeah,

769
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:45,260
is really caring about the development of that entire both sides.

770
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,140
And once the service is in that, frankly,

771
01:08:48,260 --> 01:08:50,240
they're probably long overdue.

772
01:08:50,860 --> 01:08:54,420
I think it's only a challenge that, and again,

773
01:08:55,140 --> 01:08:57,280
it would be a lot safer place.

774
01:08:57,700 --> 01:09:00,340
It would be a development in the hospital,

775
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,120
very well-bought out and considered great,

776
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:06,760
which I believe that that is their process.

777
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:16,960
Um, you know, I also think that right now, the canon is mainly enjoyed by the property owners and, you know, that's great.

778
01:09:17,220 --> 01:09:22,760
That's us. We definitely fully utilize our property, especially now.

779
01:09:23,300 --> 01:09:33,900
But I think that their plan left the canon to come a lot more enjoyable in a real recreational feature to anyone coming to visit Hebrew State

780
01:09:33,900 --> 01:09:39,020
because it's not going to be a walk-art, and it's not going to be closed off, and things

781
01:09:39,020 --> 01:09:43,520
like the creek, like my horse even went to look at the property to consider for everything.

782
01:09:44,260 --> 01:09:48,060
You couldn't even see that there was really a creek there, and the real estate agent

783
01:09:48,060 --> 01:09:52,700
comes out of the basic park city certainly doesn't know how to guys. But certainly wasn't,

784
01:09:53,980 --> 01:09:58,180
you know, you know, you wasn't living there day-to-day to check the water levels, like I would be

785
01:09:58,180 --> 01:10:00,700
back all the time to see what are have flowing.

786
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,920
But in this alley there's their beavers and things

787
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:11,380
that go into disrepair, you know, because there's not quite a longer back there than the county is,

788
01:10:11,420 --> 01:10:16,860
you know, has their animals, so they're not able to clean things up, you know, all right,

789
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,960
the beavers is, and I really think that this is probably not relevant, looks at the creep area,

790
01:10:21,380 --> 01:10:28,180
as a beautiful feature that the entire county can enjoy. Right now it's in with like overgrowth and

791
01:10:28,180 --> 01:10:31,040
and dead fallen trees and things like that,

792
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:35,700
where I just really think this can be like the next generation,

793
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,100
and there's always a river of that entire area,

794
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,960
and really a feature that people look forward to coming

795
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,120
to Hebrew City to see.

796
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:45,820
And hopefully they'll come see our horses,

797
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:50,800
which is very important to us as well as the state of their lives.

798
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,380
So I just also mentioned we also have this part

799
01:10:54,380 --> 01:10:59,320
that we have a world-class director of horsemanship,

800
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:07,800
I mean, this could be like Keber's home that celebrates the Western agricultural foundation

801
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:12,140
of his family, which, you know, there have been very few areas where we've been able to do

802
01:11:12,140 --> 01:11:12,380
that.

803
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:17,480
So, I'll be talking about, you know, 4,000, something that was acres, and the prison system,

804
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:22,640
family, and it's been here, you know, since the beginning, and that was the beginning

805
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:29,300
of that kind of ending, was the sheep growing agricultural can and, you know, I think that

806
01:11:29,300 --> 01:11:35,580
You know, while this is a resident community, I think that there is a lot that can speak in its room, that can celebrate that paradise.

807
01:11:36,500 --> 01:11:37,500
Thank you so much.

808
01:11:37,740 --> 01:11:39,300
Thank you. Does anyone have any questions for?

809
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:42,420
Okay. Thank you very much.

810
01:11:44,590 --> 01:11:44,750
Okay.

811
01:11:48,020 --> 01:11:50,940
All right, we'll prepare for a, are you also owner?

812
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:51,340
Yes.

813
01:11:51,340 --> 01:11:52,140
Fisher? Okay.

814
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:54,740
Please, thank you.

815
01:11:54,860 --> 01:11:56,640
Sorry, go ahead and state your name. I apologize.

816
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:57,220
No,

817
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:17,900
when we got involved in violent,

818
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:19,780
you know, we had other

819
01:12:19,780 --> 01:12:20,720
developers.

820
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:31,300
And Deborah said it really well. They shared this kind of their vision,

821
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:35,340
you know, ideas of what they could be. Obviously there's a lot of details,

822
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:41,400
they still have them work out from here. But we really enjoyed it, but I really

823
01:12:44,250 --> 01:12:49,730
invited them. In fact, they want this to be something that all the open areas

824
01:12:49,730 --> 01:12:54,350
they're shared there. Because that's something that isn't really going on right around

825
01:12:54,350 --> 01:12:57,670
us, you know, then that piece that are up there for some of the other areas, the next was

826
01:12:57,670 --> 01:13:03,470
their private. You know, which is, this one, but we, especially my mom, she's the oldest

827
01:13:03,470 --> 01:13:09,630
surviving Christians in this life now, she was really impressed with that idea of sharing

828
01:13:09,630 --> 01:13:15,610
the entire era. And I know that that was something that my grandfather did all the time.

829
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:21,090
I mean, the information for so many people who go up there, can't be all sorts of stuff.

830
01:13:21,090 --> 01:13:31,570
We want that to continue, we want to be something that gets shared, and I really feel like they are going to try to do that.

831
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:37,750
And I feel like with the city's guidance, with you guys helping them, that we can turn this into something special.

832
01:13:39,310 --> 01:13:48,230
And obviously there's a lot of details that have to be worked out, there's a lot of issues or concerns that have to be worked out.

833
01:13:48,710 --> 01:13:54,410
And we appreciate that. And I'm just holding them into the next stage so that we can do that and make this in something special.

834
01:13:54,990 --> 01:13:55,390
So,

835
01:13:57,970 --> 01:14:01,550
I, I don't think I have anything else. I think that was set really well.

836
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:04,070
But they have been a great company.

837
01:14:05,010 --> 01:14:09,490
There's not one time that I've ever felt like this is a zero-sum game of that.

838
01:14:09,890 --> 01:14:12,790
It's always been, you know, how can we make this happen?

839
01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:19,650
So I know if you've been reporting with them that they will do their best to come up with a solution.

840
01:14:19,650 --> 01:14:23,470
but it makes many people better than from this muscle.

841
01:14:24,150 --> 01:14:27,170
So, we appreciate your time and that's the original question.

842
01:14:27,670 --> 01:14:31,450
Okay, thank you, sirs. Anyone have any questions or anything?

843
01:14:32,010 --> 01:14:35,150
All right, my apologies. Do we have any other petitions

844
01:14:35,710 --> 01:14:39,990
who would like to come forward and approach the curation at this time?

845
01:14:41,450 --> 01:14:41,670
Okay.

846
01:14:43,590 --> 01:14:47,150
All right, with that, then what I would do is invite Michelle

847
01:14:48,750 --> 01:14:55,790
to give us a few words of wisdom or the rules of decoromy, my color. Thank you.

848
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:09,120
We'll be back up to three minutes during the open comment, motion, aye.

849
01:15:09,700 --> 01:15:12,500
And I think this is part of the question.

850
01:15:13,260 --> 01:15:21,870
Our participants may also submit the comment portal by turning on what is the comments?

851
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:25,750
We ask your council to get to the opposition.

852
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:28,210
We have come into a many-in person.

853
01:15:28,690 --> 01:15:29,750
I think he helps with chambers.

854
01:15:30,430 --> 01:15:31,630
Through the online portal.

855
01:15:32,150 --> 01:15:33,830
We've got a bigger number.

856
01:15:33,950 --> 01:15:34,890
Save your name.

857
01:15:35,130 --> 01:15:35,770
I'm going to get a bonus.

858
01:15:36,050 --> 01:15:36,630
Three minutes.

859
01:15:37,150 --> 01:15:37,770
Get a message.

860
01:15:38,190 --> 01:15:38,350
Repeat.

861
01:15:38,610 --> 01:15:40,630
I'm going to send it.

862
01:15:41,010 --> 01:15:41,770
Thank you Michelle.

863
01:15:43,210 --> 01:15:43,270
Okay.

864
01:15:44,990 --> 01:15:46,870
There's a couple of things I'd like to address here.

865
01:15:47,930 --> 01:15:54,450
This is really the opportunity for the public to come and address the planning commission.

866
01:15:55,850 --> 01:15:59,510
we're here to do your bidding and your work. We want to hear what your thoughts are.

867
01:15:59,710 --> 01:16:04,910
This is a big undertaking if it's something that we decide to go ahead and move forward with.

868
01:16:06,130 --> 01:16:09,290
But I do want to remind everyone at this point.

869
01:16:11,070 --> 01:16:16,610
This is simply expanding the annexation boundaries.

870
01:16:17,830 --> 01:16:21,670
We're not actually considering the details on an annexation.

871
01:16:21,670 --> 01:16:27,410
that will come if if approved that will come at other further time.

872
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:29,830
That's when we dive into the nuts and bolts.

873
01:16:30,530 --> 01:16:35,690
However, it is also important to look at everything from the big picture.

874
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:38,110
Does this work for hevers city?

875
01:16:38,590 --> 01:16:40,330
Does this something that will work?

876
01:16:41,290 --> 01:16:45,610
And then what issues we may not have considered that the general public may have?

877
01:16:47,170 --> 01:16:48,730
Please feel free to come up and address.

878
01:16:48,730 --> 01:16:55,810
We'll probably, do we have, we have some emails, we've actually read, but I think it would be good if we read them into the record, are you okay with doing

879
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:01,780
that?

880
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:09,980
And in essence of time, the planning commission had the opportunity to review those.

881
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:17,040
And so we don't necessarily have to do that. We're depending on the amount of public comment we receive. So let's just leave it at that.

882
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:23,700
But we do encourage you to come up, state your name. The key thing here for meetings to

883
01:17:23,700 --> 01:17:25,040
to get

884
01:17:27,340 --> 01:17:31,960
the information that we need. Let's try and keep it in an organized fashion.

885
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:38,640
So please come up to the microphone, state your name, your affiliation, and then please give

886
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:45,600
us your comments that you have. We're not here to judge you. We want to hear from you. So keep it

887
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:51,600
to keep it simple and with that, the time is now yours.

888
01:18:05,580 --> 01:18:05,980
Right.

889
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,120
Thank you.

890
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:13,640
Thank you.

891
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:15,980
Yes, thank you.

892
01:18:19,950 --> 01:18:23,750
You know, we've had a final of several months ago.

893
01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:27,510
I have a discussion on whether this should be the government now and could be the government.

894
01:18:29,010 --> 01:18:33,030
As you know, the zoning is P160 and in six-acre blocks, just like

895
01:18:35,820 --> 01:18:36,100
you.

896
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:42,780
We did have a discussion about some potential opportunities for a regional and obviously, that's a legislative decision.

897
01:18:43,180 --> 01:18:45,840
We've been taking promises, but only other reasons for that.

898
01:18:47,900 --> 01:18:50,060
But we don't need to be around 200 BS.

899
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:52,240
It's 1,000 or 28,000.

900
01:18:55,300 --> 01:18:59,480
So, I have been a long year of numbers on which

901
01:18:59,480 --> 01:19:06,660
and we've got to follow like people telling me that it's up to five thousand units. I realize that

902
01:19:06,660 --> 01:19:11,440
we're not highly specific, but it's harder not to get excited when you hear numbers like that.

903
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:13,760
It's a potential of 50,000.

904
01:19:16,580 --> 01:19:19,880
When we heard when we got with five, all of this, the sweet spies,

905
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:28,580
800 to 12 million units. So I was warm to hear that about it. But we are concerned about

906
01:19:28,580 --> 01:19:29,300
traffic on the

907
01:19:31,860 --> 01:19:37,450
quality of life. As great mention, when people come down out of the

908
01:19:37,450 --> 01:19:42,370
government, they'll go, just like water, whichever way it is, but this, maybe that's

909
01:19:42,370 --> 01:19:45,870
like creepy, that's false silence. I don't know if people are going to be distracted.

910
01:19:48,170 --> 01:19:48,670
It's

911
01:19:48,670 --> 01:19:54,290
hard to comment and you don't know what these systems are. But we are concerned about traffic,

912
01:19:54,450 --> 01:20:01,310
I'm concerned about traffic. If you just put a quarter of the 5,000 units there, that's

913
01:20:01,310 --> 01:20:09,210
developed by our purpose. It's somehow difficult to create a grant in probably handled about

914
01:20:09,210 --> 01:20:18,430
a 16,000 per day without data. And the temple intersection, you know, that was proposed,

915
01:20:19,150 --> 01:20:25,070
and it was initially a stop-controlled intersection. It failed. They wanted to have a little

916
01:20:25,070 --> 01:20:30,170
advantage section. So you have to order around about the main panel.

917
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,180
We don't have the right

918
01:20:34,180 --> 01:20:39,800
way to improve those roads as developments come in. We'll require, I believe, on Lake Creek,

919
01:20:39,980 --> 01:20:41,080
it's a 75-foot highway.

920
01:20:43,340 --> 01:20:47,100
Some of you have highway on the hills, but there's, I don't know,

921
01:20:47,180 --> 01:20:48,940
three or four miles to go through the county,

922
01:20:51,090 --> 01:20:53,490
I've heard of those roads to keep the passes that we're talking

923
01:20:53,490 --> 01:20:59,170
on here. I get it is 10, 20, 30 years away, but at some point there's going to be a lot of money that's

924
01:20:59,170 --> 01:21:07,410
And before you upgrade those, what kind of pain do you see as far as crap?

925
01:21:10,540 --> 01:21:17,600
The other concern is that a lot of the inexations that are happening in city are high in the north of the village.

926
01:21:18,940 --> 01:21:21,220
All the access is up, but you're not high right.

927
01:21:22,100 --> 01:21:27,280
These accesses are on countergrotes, you got to come in and also we all know they're reactive,

928
01:21:27,980 --> 01:21:29,840
but they have a lot of money being able to throw a fix.

929
01:21:31,480 --> 01:21:35,600
city or county will be a different situation there.

930
01:21:39,350 --> 01:21:45,170
We are, my poll, who's our elected table representative, has been talking to

931
01:21:45,170 --> 01:21:49,750
sit with us. Some of the things that are coming out as far as the entities that are

932
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:50,350
meeting

933
01:21:55,080 --> 01:22:00,480
in different venues on. So, the scratching section is like that.

934
01:22:01,780 --> 01:22:05,960
But I think these conversations need to be continue and obviously do well.

935
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:26,080
I need to have a question for Tony because a lot of times I've seen advertised, for example, projects in the north village that they will be annexed to go into the council for annexation at the same time, there's an MBA from National Development Group at the same time. How do you foresee this process?

936
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:28,860
Is that okay if I ask a question?

937
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:31,520
That's fine.

938
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:31,780
Go ahead.

939
01:22:31,780 --> 01:22:31,980
Go ahead.

940
01:22:32,460 --> 01:22:39,460
Our council is general policy is to not entertain annexations without development agreement.

941
01:22:40,500 --> 01:22:46,480
That way the council can put a cap on densities and other issues that are of concern.

942
01:22:50,210 --> 01:22:55,770
That means that that's what we've heard of the issues you're meeting for the council for annexation.

943
01:22:57,660 --> 01:23:06,980
An annex, no, an annexation of this magnitude is going to take over a year, no doubt.

944
01:23:07,860 --> 01:23:12,660
Just to finish the annexation policy plan process we were talking about,

945
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,000
what at least one more meeting with the Planning Commission,

946
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,820
and then you're going to have probably at least two meetings with the Council.

947
01:23:19,820 --> 01:23:27,920
Council is also going to talk at least once with the County Council on January 15th.

948
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:34,880
We have a meeting, apologize my staff report says December 12th, but it's January 15th.

949
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:40,580
I don't see that as being the only meeting on the subject that our Council will have on it.

950
01:23:40,580 --> 01:23:42,420
An annexation,

951
01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:52,140
Council, at the end of the process with a big annexation like this would probably

952
01:23:52,140 --> 01:23:59,940
meet in a public forum like this, potentially dozen times, planning commission, at least

953
01:23:59,940 --> 01:24:04,980
a couple of times and then Council at the beginning of the process has two or three meetings

954
01:24:04,980 --> 01:24:11,120
on it. So if this is going to happen, there is going to be a lot of meetings.

955
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:24,100
Yeah, I'm not at this time, but in your, oh, go ahead.

956
01:24:24,900 --> 01:24:30,080
So Doug, have you, have you looked at there any possibility of them accessing from the

957
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:33,420
North rather than coming into Heaper to develop this property?

958
01:24:33,900 --> 01:24:34,900
Then I'll go ahead and check,

959
01:24:43,850 --> 01:24:45,250
I'm

960
01:24:52,900 --> 01:24:55,200
just nice came on the basis of some understanding.

961
01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:03,840
Well, first thing on behalf of Heaper is the motivation to ask us to annex this and what

962
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:10,300
the other options available to them, based upon some of the, I would see quality of life issues

963
01:25:10,300 --> 01:25:14,700
that are on the table. So I was just, I just wanted to know more because having visited

964
01:25:14,700 --> 01:25:20,220
the property, it sure seems like I have an eyeball of a 32 and I'm wondering what's going on

965
01:25:20,220 --> 01:25:20,700
there.

966
01:25:23,390 --> 01:25:25,030
Okay, thank you, Mr Smith. Appreciate your comments.

967
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:36,560
Thank you.

968
01:25:46,780 --> 01:25:50,680
I have a property right next to Deferless.

969
01:25:50,860 --> 01:25:52,840
It's the stuff that we did in this context,

970
01:25:53,660 --> 01:25:56,200
it should boundary about it.

971
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:03,740
If I could just have that map of the one that was before that.

972
01:26:06,180 --> 01:26:09,940
So one of the easiest questions is if we're considering

973
01:26:10,780 --> 01:26:13,760
enlarging the overseas amication boundary,

974
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:21,460
which is really the question to not really not talking about specific individuality, the helper.

975
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:26,060
My question is why are we going to analyze all the work fields?

976
01:26:28,180 --> 01:26:34,560
And when are we going to analyze all of everything from 12, from meal road, east?

977
01:26:35,540 --> 01:26:42,900
And if we're talking, increasing the battery of the Hebrew city, that seems like a more logical player I didn't feel

978
01:26:42,900 --> 01:26:53,440
and makes up in the mountains and so my question is if we're talking about

979
01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:59,760
poor humility which is come down from the government and even in the

980
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:06,340
kind of healing sources of project what do you guys think that average home sale

981
01:27:06,340 --> 01:27:18,200
rice is there now. Scary. Scary. A bit, you know. I just know what the total

982
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:22,820
brothers are for the representative. They said that they're highest in selling

983
01:27:22,820 --> 01:27:30,100
project in the state for them. The average rice is 1.2 million. Oh, shit. And

984
01:27:30,100 --> 01:27:34,840
I'm not a huge unit, it's right, but just back if you've been up there to just have

985
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:44,560
a matchbox, you know, with probably those that guard over really nice, but so the proposed

986
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:49,860
developments you're saying, we have to set them mandate to come down and we never have

987
01:27:49,860 --> 01:27:56,540
a board of ability and we can't even reach a board of ability, right next door, right?

988
01:27:56,540 --> 01:28:04,000
And so, what's the reality of really that being adorable or actually, I don't know what I'm going to do?

989
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:08,620
And then we might, like, say, just getting the quality of life and all that you do exactly.

990
01:28:13,330 --> 01:28:18,230
You know, when we ever change, we're going to go to time between bigger zone.

991
01:28:18,570 --> 01:28:19,450
I don't know.

992
01:28:20,350 --> 01:28:25,450
When we ever go past, we'll grow into the heat or city.

993
01:28:26,010 --> 01:28:29,630
It sure makes a lot more sense and actually put up here.

994
01:28:29,630 --> 01:28:36,230
And we should be having those talks first before we annexed that part of LA.

995
01:28:46,730 --> 01:28:51,550
When was that when the town get approved?

996
01:28:52,170 --> 01:28:55,110
2008, I was here during that time.

997
01:28:56,230 --> 01:29:04,470
And the developers came in under a quote from New State that allowed them to create a town.

998
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:08,290
Has there been one home field in the field of jail?

999
01:29:08,970 --> 01:29:14,690
Maybe a biopinating is a lot, so it might be a home field up there.

1000
01:29:16,110 --> 01:29:17,930
But you know, that's Christians in property too.

1001
01:29:18,010 --> 01:29:19,670
And that has lots of potential.

1002
01:29:20,970 --> 01:29:29,130
In fact, a lot of water in this, you know, we're saying that they've got better for this project.

1003
01:29:29,130 --> 01:29:31,950
I was tied up in that project as well.

1004
01:29:32,290 --> 01:29:38,390
So I'm asking myself, well, I can't be tied up in two projects, right?

1005
01:29:42,710 --> 01:29:46,190
And they're just surrounding area, right?

1006
01:29:46,250 --> 01:29:51,970
But you have, well, pretty come 14,000 acres for 80 lots.

1007
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:54,790
8,168,000 lots.

1008
01:29:55,530 --> 01:29:59,970
You have victory branch, 6,200 acres.

1009
01:30:00,620 --> 01:30:06,180
They have an original currency in 700 columns, and they've reduced it to 350.

1010
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:25,440
I'm not against the Christians and family. I believe in property rights, and I believe that they should benefit from the property rights, but it just seems like this proposal.

1011
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:36,700
We ought to look at other more realistic annexations than they could appear in that.

1012
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:41,080
I guess that would be my thank you for taking our time.

1013
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:44,600
Thank you for taking time to come talk to us and address us.

1014
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:47,200
Thank you, Mrs. Holmes, I appreciate it.

1015
01:30:57,390 --> 01:31:05,950
I've been here 61 years, and my calendar is bigger, won't be anyone, it's valid, it's IPU's.

1016
01:31:08,070 --> 01:31:13,810
And my interest, I will say it, is that I grew up in a corner of a two-parallel person,

1017
01:31:14,670 --> 01:31:19,210
and Dorothy prison son, and Bob, I am taking him to see his little kids.

1018
01:31:19,750 --> 01:31:25,610
And so both, don't think throw away wherever you're seeing, they are, these long-dosts of

1019
01:31:25,610 --> 01:31:26,330
high-lover friends.

1020
01:31:26,830 --> 01:31:32,870
But I grew up with them, a Dale, who was her son, and he was my best friend, and he died when

1021
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:34,030
he was in the dirty place.

1022
01:31:34,850 --> 01:31:41,470
But we spent all of her time a little bit about my son's backgrounds for many, many years.

1023
01:31:41,990 --> 01:31:47,510
So, well, practically like that, that's near and near to my heart, much more than somebody

1024
01:31:47,510 --> 01:31:50,730
who lives in St. George and has been led by him.

1025
01:31:50,790 --> 01:31:51,830
He may like the way.

1026
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:55,810
He can take his right place to maybe build holes to remain low.

1027
01:31:56,910 --> 01:32:01,090
When I'll type up in the hobby point, you'll go up and sit in all the units,

1028
01:32:01,230 --> 01:32:04,550
you can access the school property and hide up on top of there,

1029
01:32:04,990 --> 01:32:05,970
and enjoy the scenery.

1030
01:32:06,230 --> 01:32:10,190
You want to see help and wild animals like we suggested,

1031
01:32:10,990 --> 01:32:13,930
but don't put homes there because I will drive only animals away.

1032
01:32:14,750 --> 01:32:21,010
that. So that was a bunch of money. This is going to be a high-quality thing, but I really

1033
01:32:21,010 --> 01:32:27,430
think it's important. You asked a very important question. Why do you want to be part of it

1034
01:32:27,430 --> 01:32:33,490
than he was in? The answer was given, which is totally what it's about. It's a municipal,

1035
01:32:34,350 --> 01:32:39,010
we want to be part of the municipality. Well, tell me, oh, it was about a million dollars

1036
01:32:39,010 --> 01:32:43,190
up to the doctor like you're in there, they aren't part of the city, they were pretty

1037
01:32:43,190 --> 01:32:47,810
want to count, so it was a time terrible at developing the city, I don't think so.

1038
01:32:48,250 --> 01:32:54,150
They want the annexation, they want, they want to be able to put the board, like I said,

1039
01:32:54,510 --> 01:33:00,370
there was a better job there, they said, well, yes, they want to increase the density, well,

1040
01:33:00,590 --> 01:33:05,250
that's because they made it more money, and there is no demand for that, I know, I'm

1041
01:33:06,350 --> 01:33:13,610
There's no way out there who don't just have to get this into our heart, and you wouldn't be because there's a profitable living venture.

1042
01:33:14,890 --> 01:33:15,510
I'm not out of time.

1043
01:33:16,970 --> 01:33:17,410
I'm not out of time.

1044
01:33:17,410 --> 01:33:17,950
I'm not out of time.

1045
01:33:18,650 --> 01:33:19,490
No, keep going.

1046
01:33:19,690 --> 01:33:20,250
You're good for that.

1047
01:33:20,530 --> 01:33:20,610
I'm not out of time.

1048
01:33:20,810 --> 01:33:21,750
You're good for that.

1049
01:33:22,330 --> 01:33:25,030
The guy's the guy I think is the biggest guy I've ever seen.

1050
01:33:25,030 --> 01:33:25,830
I have a serious problem.

1051
01:33:26,070 --> 01:33:28,650
You can see up there, especially after you're in this dismiss.

1052
01:33:29,590 --> 01:33:30,990
You can get back to that idea.

1053
01:33:32,030 --> 01:33:38,090
They talk about, oh, and at some point we'll have some cheaper places for school teams.

1054
01:33:38,270 --> 01:33:39,910
We're trying to make it with a developer.

1055
01:33:40,150 --> 01:33:41,050
It's a school team.

1056
01:33:41,090 --> 01:33:42,410
We saw a certain enterprise.

1057
01:33:43,230 --> 01:33:43,850
Oh, come on.

1058
01:33:44,250 --> 01:33:46,130
How many of you can have with this community?

1059
01:33:46,410 --> 01:33:49,690
We keep the only things that's little in place for these free stuff.

1060
01:33:50,010 --> 01:33:51,090
It's for a group of people.

1061
01:33:52,410 --> 01:33:54,070
Well, we're in an all-going.

1062
01:33:54,670 --> 01:33:57,550
So we keep talking about one of them as part of the problem.

1063
01:33:57,550 --> 01:33:59,510
We have all the grass I understand that.

1064
01:33:59,510 --> 01:34:05,130
They don't think that we wouldn't have a thing out there, just like we're in no way if I'm

1065
01:34:05,130 --> 01:34:09,530
out in any work, we're about 3 million dollars.

1066
01:34:10,490 --> 01:34:17,050
They talked about being decades away, well, I asked the question, they said, what would it be?

1067
01:34:17,050 --> 01:34:18,390
It's beautiful trails.

1068
01:34:18,530 --> 01:34:23,550
I love mountain, I can hold it open, and that I do, and I do what they're over now, because

1069
01:34:23,550 --> 01:34:30,010
I can get access, but they want to talk about the trails, the parks, the open space,

1070
01:34:30,010 --> 01:34:36,190
these places for people to go go practice and make their activities. Well that's not the route that

1071
01:34:36,190 --> 01:34:42,970
people typically are going to go to participate in an activity in an independent private activity.

1072
01:34:44,050 --> 01:34:48,410
So I don't see that happening. You look at places like bread, like to keep promise open,

1073
01:34:48,530 --> 01:34:54,150
try out to weather, try out, or you can't even get access to it. It says close, permanently, on some

1074
01:34:54,650 --> 01:34:58,950
It's always a trail that they promise, they don't, they don't adhere a lot, and they're

1075
01:34:58,950 --> 01:35:00,010
taking that ace away.

1076
01:35:00,250 --> 01:35:04,030
So, one of these trails and parks are going to be open to governments, all be gathered

1077
01:35:04,030 --> 01:35:05,170
for their own kind of thing.

1078
01:35:06,190 --> 01:35:11,550
So, that bothers me, and then who's going to be responsible for maintaining all of these trails

1079
01:35:11,550 --> 01:35:13,410
and space and parks?

1080
01:35:14,430 --> 01:35:17,610
You know, you know, they're well, who's going to be responsible, it's a city, who's going

1081
01:35:17,610 --> 01:35:24,130
to file all the roads, they're going to go and pop a little hole and pop those peaks in the

1082
01:35:24,130 --> 01:35:27,830
a little bit. You don't want to give it a little bit, let's know if I'll tell you that if you're

1083
01:35:27,830 --> 01:35:31,350
going to be required to make heat, all these roads, then you're going to be getting all those roads.

1084
01:35:31,970 --> 01:35:35,910
And the more we've seen that annex, the more we become responsible, we're going to be talking about,

1085
01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:41,190
what we want to have next, because we get the taxes. Well, if there was the case, it was going to

1086
01:35:41,190 --> 01:35:47,210
have something to do with the New York City, and I think it would be paid to go. But every time the

1087
01:35:47,210 --> 01:35:53,950
annex, my taxes go up. So the annexing that may break some taxes from this update itself,

1088
01:35:53,950 --> 01:35:59,070
When I see they talk about the late-precure illness with the dress as a little bit.

1089
01:35:59,330 --> 01:36:01,910
But the late-precure growth is not in the city.

1090
01:36:02,210 --> 01:36:05,950
So if I don't make the county a perfect talk about whiteening that growth,

1091
01:36:06,290 --> 01:36:08,190
none of your business I certainly have.

1092
01:36:08,970 --> 01:36:12,900
See if it's a comment on it.

1093
01:36:12,980 --> 01:36:17,180
I remember going, but she did a comment about how to have a private part.

1094
01:36:23,460 --> 01:36:26,800
And if county is going to have a private part, it's going to do the MS.

1095
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:29,440
And I know it was on the position where you did that.

1096
01:36:29,440 --> 01:36:35,420
And so they're going to have to provide all that and that's going to be probably in the city's

1097
01:36:35,420 --> 01:36:35,720
experience.

1098
01:36:36,020 --> 01:36:41,380
Accounting that the Queen was over the MS services fire right now, they kept the Hebrew city

1099
01:36:41,380 --> 01:36:45,180
son and half at the end of the office, they're going to allow that just in

1100
01:36:47,580 --> 01:36:48,300
one of the things

1101
01:36:48,300 --> 01:36:54,020
that I want to bring out, but I just really worried about that project, so it's a grand

1102
01:36:54,020 --> 01:36:54,420
problem.

1103
01:36:56,590 --> 01:36:57,450
No problems.

1104
01:36:57,750 --> 01:37:02,800
How do we get to get to the bottom of the sewer all the time?

1105
01:37:08,420 --> 01:37:10,320
But I am on a question, sir.

1106
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:13,680
Just like that, quite off.

1107
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:17,020
They'll handle them very well.

1108
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:21,080
But especially, they're terrible.

1109
01:37:21,180 --> 01:37:22,580
They're all over the village.

1110
01:37:22,940 --> 01:37:24,480
No one misses them going on.

1111
01:37:25,060 --> 01:37:26,740
And the Christians, they do whatever they want.

1112
01:37:26,740 --> 01:37:29,040
I caught about 80 property, 20 years ago.

1113
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:32,860
They were offered 15 million dollars

1114
01:37:32,860 --> 01:37:35,180
for 20 years to over that property.

1115
01:37:35,500 --> 01:37:36,980
I've been only imagine what's going on.

1116
01:37:39,430 --> 01:37:41,730
But the point being, he's going to be a hilarious

1117
01:37:41,730 --> 01:37:45,390
There's a place out there packed here and there will be no time

1118
01:38:03,210 --> 01:38:04,590
to do this all night.

1119
01:38:04,770 --> 01:38:06,550
Just think of like around that.

1120
01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:08,090
Okay.

1121
01:38:08,790 --> 01:38:12,610
Who wants to come up and share their comments?

1122
01:38:13,930 --> 01:38:14,950
I'd like to make a comment.

1123
01:38:16,530 --> 01:38:16,710
Big.

1124
01:38:17,010 --> 01:38:17,170
Go ahead.

1125
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:18,270
Please state your name.

1126
01:38:18,990 --> 01:38:19,390
Ah, yeah.

1127
01:38:19,410 --> 01:38:21,790
This is Christian Thompson and my university resident.

1128
01:38:22,690 --> 01:38:25,390
I just wanted to make a few points.

1129
01:38:25,390 --> 01:38:29,950
You know, I love the point, the owner of a Liberty Ranch talked about having public access and

1130
01:38:29,950 --> 01:38:34,350
more trails and taking care of the canyon. And I think that's great. But I think, you know, we could

1131
01:38:34,350 --> 01:38:39,390
definitely do one better. You can see what Summit County did with the 910 Ranch. That was 8,000

1132
01:38:39,390 --> 01:38:44,530
acres they were able to preserve. A curious, you know, of the Christians, it wouldn't be open to,

1133
01:38:46,110 --> 01:38:50,950
you know, preserving all the land with public access for everyone instead of building.

1134
01:38:51,870 --> 01:38:53,550
Has there been any discussions on that?

1135
01:38:53,670 --> 01:38:59,750
I'm putting a bond, another open land, a bond on the boat in November,

1136
01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:07,610
or they'll have

1137
01:39:07,610 --> 01:39:12,570
to work on the details of the annexation, this is just expanding the annexation map at this

1138
01:39:12,570 --> 01:39:12,930
point.

1139
01:39:14,350 --> 01:39:15,630
And then we'll back to annexation.

1140
01:39:15,770 --> 01:39:20,030
I think Kieber City has made a few mistakes in the past, especially with the North Village

1141
01:39:20,030 --> 01:39:27,010
village annexations. You know, I think, you know, well, with the gentleman talked about before,

1142
01:39:27,230 --> 01:39:30,970
as we've been waiting years and years for public trails to be built. Specifically,

1143
01:39:31,190 --> 01:39:35,030
red ledges, they haven't finished building out their trails. You know, if we can change some of

1144
01:39:35,030 --> 01:39:38,990
our annexation requirements, so that the trails are built first, you can see this is worked

1145
01:39:38,990 --> 01:39:44,330
great in other developments like Blue Sage. You know, and I just urge the, you know, planning

1146
01:39:44,330 --> 01:39:51,130
commission to reject this annexation, or make sure the city's annexation policy is not to put

1147
01:39:51,130 --> 01:39:56,570
density out away from the center of the city. We should have density downtown. We should build up

1148
01:39:56,570 --> 01:40:01,150
not do urban sprawl. That ends up being more expensive for everyone with sewer and infrastructure

1149
01:40:01,770 --> 01:40:07,570
and services. That's it for me. Thank you. Thank you.

1150
01:40:09,930 --> 01:40:15,330
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1151
01:40:15,330 --> 01:40:20,070
I'm a fifth generation property owner and the value I've been here my entire life.

1152
01:40:21,110 --> 01:40:24,450
No, the Christians and family haul cheap on to the property for Harold.

1153
01:40:25,790 --> 01:40:30,130
And I think they should be able to do something with it, but I don't think it belongs in

1154
01:40:30,890 --> 01:40:31,430
hebersetting.

1155
01:40:31,730 --> 01:40:36,130
I recently brought 30 acres, it's clearly called slurs in the corner.

1156
01:40:37,470 --> 01:40:43,750
And on the south boundary is Waseck County and on my west boundary is Waseck County, as

1157
01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:48,930
as well as you dot, so it's a perfect opportunity to shut any further than or fills down,

1158
01:40:49,070 --> 01:40:54,730
and I was turned down without even any reconsideration. Not only now, I've got a free way,

1159
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:58,590
I'm going to have a free way on one side, and a high school on the other.

1160
01:43:18,740 --> 01:43:23,780
It does happen everywhere, because like it's more organic, it starts at the center and grows out.

1161
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:33,020
This is a jump way out. This is, I think the question about, you know, are you going to

1162
01:43:33,020 --> 01:43:35,040
This is not part of Hebrew City.

1163
01:43:35,120 --> 01:43:36,080
This is very disjoined.

1164
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:38,020
Access is through the county.

1165
01:43:38,700 --> 01:43:39,220
I'm out there.

1166
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:40,240
We're in the county.

1167
01:43:40,340 --> 01:43:41,340
We're squarely in the county.

1168
01:43:41,820 --> 01:43:42,500
We don't.

1169
01:43:42,580 --> 01:43:43,960
We recognize we're not in Hebrew City.

1170
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:47,340
And don't get to enjoy all the benefits of being in the city.

1171
01:43:47,780 --> 01:43:50,360
There's benefits to being in the county and up near nature.

1172
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:53,640
And the agricultural heritage that is there.

1173
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:57,040
And I think, you know, what's been mentioned.

1174
01:43:57,540 --> 01:44:00,860
There's this kind of virtual idea that it's in the best interest to the public and the city.

1175
01:44:00,860 --> 01:44:05,020
I don't think that there's been a very solid case built for that.

1176
01:44:05,100 --> 01:44:08,500
I think there's interest for certain individuals, certain parties involved.

1177
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:10,520
And that's, you know, that's certainly understandable.

1178
01:44:11,260 --> 01:44:17,720
But I don't think the case has been built for a widespread general interest for many, many things involved.

1179
01:44:18,260 --> 01:44:19,040
So, thank you.

1180
01:44:19,140 --> 01:44:20,020
Chairman and others.

1181
01:44:20,260 --> 01:44:20,820
Thank you.

1182
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:22,540
Appreciate your comments.

1183
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:27,340
Okay.

1184
01:44:28,540 --> 01:44:28,700
Screen.

1185
01:44:31,420 --> 01:44:31,700
Screen.

1186
01:44:31,700 --> 01:44:34,780
And a lot of said, County Council, I hesitate to speak, because I don't know what's been

1187
01:44:34,780 --> 01:44:35,460
covered already.

1188
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:36,720
We had other meetings.

1189
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:39,660
And I got here quick because I code that just a couple of things.

1190
01:44:40,020 --> 01:44:46,780
I'd like to just point out that on your staff report for this meeting tonight refers to a further

1191
01:44:46,780 --> 01:44:52,840
discussion between the city and the county in our interlocal meeting on January 15th.

1192
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:55,360
It was listed as December 12th, but it's not Thursday.

1193
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:59,460
But anyway, so to me, that's a reason that we slow down.

1194
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:06,960
We sit back and take a look at it. One other piece of information I found this afternoon, Mike Coler, has been in contact.

1195
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:15,020
He's talked with the representative who came up and spoke to us. And there's a peer to be some wide discrepancies between what

1196
01:45:15,020 --> 01:45:21,000
filos, tell on us, and what set that is indicating. He indicated Mr. Coler that

1197
01:45:21,540 --> 01:45:29,180
set that did not recommend any specific density. The filo represented even the October 22nd

1198
01:45:29,180 --> 01:45:35,620
hearing with you gentlemen indicated that set the wanted eight units per acre, which is

1199
01:45:35,620 --> 01:45:42,380
5700 homes on that 720 acres. That's a big discrepancy. I think we need to slow down,

1200
01:45:42,380 --> 01:45:51,080
work with the parties involved. I suspect something will happen there, but we need to slow down and make sure it happens in the right way.

1201
01:45:51,820 --> 01:45:52,860
So thank you.

1202
01:45:52,900 --> 01:45:55,060
Thank you Mr. Curtain, I appreciate your comments.

1203
01:46:08,210 --> 01:46:10,310
By the time Todd Anderson,

1204
01:46:17,180 --> 01:46:22,040
I'm body here at the city and I get a feeling that it is done

1205
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:23,320
out of fear.

1206
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:28,500
I get a feeling that we just, this implication, that somebody is going to be able to build

1207
01:46:28,500 --> 01:46:31,840
more allows the humans over here, you know, and it's this end.

1208
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:38,260
We suddenly have no control over it, I'm going to go ahead and build, and that by annexing

1209
01:46:38,260 --> 01:46:44,060
this end, we'll be able to control it, we'll be able to work with that, and get that development

1210
01:46:44,060 --> 01:46:49,480
to come up. I really hate developers come in and ask for ten times what they want.

1211
01:46:49,620 --> 01:46:53,300
I hope so, they get a tempo. I remember who getting everything they want.

1212
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:59,640
And getting the councils to then go over backwards, civic come in.

1213
01:46:59,980 --> 01:47:02,740
And I think we've made these huge annexations.

1214
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:04,840
But we don't have any control over it.

1215
01:47:06,420 --> 01:47:10,080
I don't think any of the questions, counting, broad end.

1216
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:12,400
We're answering. I think.

1217
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:14,000
Yes, we can get to work.

1218
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:16,720
Yes, we can get to sort of a figure it out.

1219
01:47:17,080 --> 01:47:19,440
Yes, the road fails even before we come in.

1220
01:47:20,860 --> 01:47:23,200
How does that an answer that says we're going to make it

1221
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:24,840
better by an intensity?

1222
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:29,740
And finally, I think what needs to be will bring these things in,

1223
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:34,620
we should draw a little boxes that represent all of the houses that we go in.

1224
01:47:35,260 --> 01:47:39,000
All that land, rather than getting us a pretty green picture.

1225
01:47:39,860 --> 01:47:44,380
It's all here to the dark rate, and it's open, and here's the light rate, and you don't have houses.

1226
01:47:44,900 --> 01:47:50,360
I don't think there's any representation, anybody who looks at that, so much of Ashley.

1227
01:47:52,910 --> 01:47:53,790
Thank you, Mr. Anderson.

1228
01:48:02,930 --> 01:48:02,990
Okay.

1229
01:48:05,420 --> 01:48:09,380
I'll look ask again, anybody else interested in approaching the branch?

1230
01:48:09,620 --> 01:48:11,740
I mean, not the bench. Sorry, I'm not a judge.

1231
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:21,160
I'm a director of my life star, I'm a family, she's a Lindsey, so I haven't been in a

1232
01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:25,720
not way, I have a lot of connections here, we can get 20 years, we started out in the county

1233
01:48:25,720 --> 01:48:32,980
and we moved here in the city and you know we've seen the growth that's happening and I appreciate

1234
01:48:32,980 --> 01:48:39,560
all the comments of people that it seems like we really need to be great song. We're growing

1235
01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:45,160
You don't have the infrastructure at the end, we don't have a client, so we're talking about

1236
01:48:45,160 --> 01:48:52,940
full and how many houses, you know, traffic, car coming in, down from there, down

1237
01:48:52,940 --> 01:48:59,160
all these roads, we don't have that. There's no way. And again, the affordability, there's no way

1238
01:48:59,160 --> 01:49:04,940
that there's going to be any time affordable housing up there. Soon as it goes up, they put it in

1239
01:49:04,940 --> 01:49:11,060
anywhere, like they set up here on the North End. It's our 1.2 million. I wish I'd

1240
01:49:11,060 --> 01:49:16,440
encourage to put the breaks on as far as annexation and really look at our

1241
01:49:16,440 --> 01:49:21,340
value to change dramatically. We've been here 28 years. It's not the same place

1242
01:49:21,340 --> 01:49:26,000
I understand that. We sold our property. We had out in the labor to carry it because

1243
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:32,700
we had to, but it's growing much faster than we needed to. I was thinking you need to

1244
01:49:32,700 --> 01:49:39,960
We'll see now that everything's encouraging up on us all around and we need to reserve a little bit more.

1245
01:49:39,980 --> 01:49:40,720
Appreciate it.

1246
01:49:40,860 --> 01:49:41,880
Thank you.

1247
01:49:42,100 --> 01:49:42,700
Thank you.

1248
01:49:54,210 --> 01:49:54,670
That's all around.

1249
01:49:54,890 --> 01:49:55,050
Okay.

1250
01:49:55,170 --> 01:49:59,530
Let's go with the online person and then if you'll just hang on just a second and then we'll

1251
01:49:59,530 --> 01:50:00,090
left the online.

1252
01:50:00,350 --> 01:50:00,390
Okay.

1253
01:50:00,530 --> 01:50:01,310
Go ahead.

1254
01:50:02,110 --> 01:50:03,470
State your name and

1255
01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:10,020
PMT.

1256
01:50:10,020 --> 01:50:12,660
If you want to go ahead and go now, the time is now yours.

1257
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:15,940
Please state your name and your affiliation and then your comments.

1258
01:50:23,450 --> 01:50:24,310
Don't forget to unmute.

1259
01:50:24,310 --> 01:50:25,250
I've

1260
01:50:28,480 --> 01:50:31,040
made some wonderful operations when I forgot to mute.

1261
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:32,960
Okay?

1262
01:50:34,740 --> 01:50:35,420
Not hearing anything.

1263
01:50:35,580 --> 01:50:37,860
We'll go ahead and go with the person here who's here in life.

1264
01:50:38,040 --> 01:50:38,900
So, go ahead, sir.

1265
01:50:40,820 --> 01:50:42,380
My name is Greg Portie.

1266
01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:45,320
I've lived here for 20 years.

1267
01:50:45,540 --> 01:50:49,000
I'm a small business owner here in Hebrew City.

1268
01:50:49,860 --> 01:50:52,320
So, of course, the more people that move in,

1269
01:50:52,900 --> 01:50:56,180
the greater potential I have to make more money in my business.

1270
01:50:56,900 --> 01:51:00,480
However, a few people have said quality of life.

1271
01:51:02,220 --> 01:51:06,700
When I drive down from Mayflower, and I look at our beautiful valley,

1272
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:11,400
and I see a brown cloud almost every time I drive in,

1273
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:14,300
whether there's an inversion or not,

1274
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:17,540
I start to worry about our quality of life.

1275
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:30,740
I think Hebrew City is annexing at a very fast pace, so beating a dead horse I think putting

1276
01:51:30,740 --> 01:51:39,200
a brakes on or at least responsible growth is more important to me than making another

1277
01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:41,620
maximum amount of money in my business.

1278
01:51:43,420 --> 01:51:49,020
Density, in my opinion, belongs in the city, the city limits.

1279
01:51:50,180 --> 01:51:57,180
I don't think Annex property, five miles outside of the city, is city limits.

1280
01:51:58,080 --> 01:52:02,260
Affordable housing has been talked about.

1281
01:52:02,260 --> 01:52:12,460
If we are talking about adding three or 5,000 new homes, the traffic is there, but fire,

1282
01:52:13,100 --> 01:52:20,560
schools, we're building a brand new school, already in Hebrew City, will we need another

1283
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:28,800
high school up on the hill up there, so as a as a concern citizen, I just ask you, our leaders

1284
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:35,140
are elected officials to plan responsible gross.

1285
01:52:37,150 --> 01:52:38,190
Thank you.

1286
01:52:38,410 --> 01:52:39,210
Thank you.

1287
01:52:41,570 --> 01:52:41,750
Okay.

1288
01:52:41,970 --> 01:52:44,950
Mr. Team T, T, T, or she.

1289
01:52:51,190 --> 01:52:52,250
Change your mind.

1290
01:52:52,570 --> 01:52:53,270
I hope not.

1291
01:52:53,530 --> 01:52:53,870
That's scary.

1292
01:52:58,810 --> 01:52:59,270
All right.

1293
01:52:59,550 --> 01:53:06,010
Does anyone else would like to approach the commission and address the commission at this time?

1294
01:53:10,650 --> 01:53:10,910
Okay.

1295
01:53:11,570 --> 01:53:15,130
With that then I'll go ahead and close the public hearing portion of this meeting.

1296
01:53:15,830 --> 01:53:17,370
Thank you for your comments.

1297
01:53:18,550 --> 01:53:22,570
You brought up some really good information and really good points for us to consider.

1298
01:53:27,390 --> 01:53:29,330
I do this every once in a while.

1299
01:53:30,010 --> 01:53:32,750
I apologize but please forgive me but I gotta do it anyway.

1300
01:53:33,850 --> 01:53:39,970
So, part of the reason that we go through these steps and the reasons that we do these things

1301
01:53:39,970 --> 01:53:50,750
is because, yes, the land owner has a right to do what their property is a C-fit, right?

1302
01:53:51,090 --> 01:53:57,470
And I fully believe in property rights, our country's founded on property rights that's paramount

1303
01:53:59,010 --> 01:54:28,820
However, the reason that we have these types of meetings because when that landowner chooses to alter the current use, that creates impact on the people, and at that point that impact now becomes a public issue and not just a property rights issue.

1304
01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:40,280
And so that's why the petitioner comes to the city leaders to start working through those steps.

1305
01:54:41,820 --> 01:54:49,960
The initial step here is to determine whether or not it is in the public's best interest,

1306
01:54:53,090 --> 01:55:00,090
expand the boundaries of cybersecurity to include this land or not.

1307
01:55:00,090 --> 01:55:07,910
It's a great comment made a few minutes ago about sometimes being concerned about what may be developed.

1308
01:55:09,890 --> 01:55:12,390
That's a great comment because that is a concern sometimes.

1309
01:55:13,930 --> 01:55:21,650
But then counteracting that, of course, there's also decided that that may be why a developer comes to the city because they're looking for additional development.

1310
01:55:21,650 --> 01:55:24,710
So there's a lot of issues here that come into play.

1311
01:55:25,430 --> 01:55:33,470
We have worked with Wash H County over the past several years, and so we're looking at

1312
01:55:33,470 --> 01:55:37,290
the densities that they've created, so there's a lot of issues that have to be addressed.

1313
01:55:37,690 --> 01:55:40,870
Planning Commission have some big decisions to make.

1314
01:55:43,270 --> 01:55:49,370
As a tradition, when we have issues that are this magnitude, and this is a big deal.

1315
01:55:49,370 --> 01:55:53,250
4,000 acres is no small golf course, this is a big deal.

1316
01:55:54,450 --> 01:56:01,010
So, these comments, emailed comments will be provided to the commission,

1317
01:56:02,670 --> 01:56:05,210
and then for the next period of time.

1318
01:56:05,730 --> 01:56:07,030
We'll mow this over and decide.

1319
01:56:08,590 --> 01:56:14,470
I would advise counter-admonish commissioners that we're looking at what is best

1320
01:56:14,470 --> 01:56:17,650
for the community and not necessarily your own personal interest

1321
01:56:18,310 --> 01:56:23,110
As we weigh this out, when you lay these meetings or delay that decision, so there's the

1322
01:56:23,110 --> 01:56:27,770
motion isn't there and also so that we have a chance to really look at all the issues,

1323
01:56:28,370 --> 01:56:31,410
and then we'll make that decision rather to move forward.

1324
01:56:31,650 --> 01:56:37,230
At this stage, the planning commission will either forward a positive or a negative recommendation

1325
01:56:37,230 --> 01:56:38,350
to the city council.

1326
01:56:39,890 --> 01:56:44,390
We're just a recommending body, and at that point the city council will take it up.

1327
01:56:44,390 --> 01:56:52,450
In light of the fact that we have an interlocal meeting scheduled for January 15th, I believe is that correct, I think that's right.

1328
01:56:52,650 --> 01:56:55,410
So Kendall is that correct, I believe that's right.

1329
01:56:55,690 --> 01:56:57,230
I apologize, Mr. Curtin.

1330
01:56:58,510 --> 01:57:02,610
I try to be a gentleman, but I'm not always a very good gentleman, but anyway.

1331
01:57:04,250 --> 01:57:11,310
So I would like to recommend that we at least delay that decision until after that interlocal meeting.

1332
01:57:11,310 --> 01:57:16,870
So we have a chance to sit down and the government's, yeah.

1333
01:57:17,710 --> 01:57:20,250
The governing bodies, or however you want to call that,

1334
01:57:20,630 --> 01:57:22,910
can talk about some of the issues,

1335
01:57:23,350 --> 01:57:25,890
because there are tons of issues that are involved

1336
01:57:25,890 --> 01:57:28,750
in this program.

1337
01:57:31,500 --> 01:57:33,900
Mr. Corridor, do you have anything else you'd like to

1338
01:57:33,900 --> 01:57:36,540
advise at Monning's?

1339
01:57:39,240 --> 01:57:43,980
All right, what's our next meeting after the 15th January?

1340
01:57:43,980 --> 01:57:50,820
the next meeting is on December 24th. Dennis said he's willing to come in.

1341
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:55,980
I will, I'll even wear my red suit. But I will not wear that beard about Gagsby.

1342
01:57:56,500 --> 01:57:58,160
Unfortunately he'll be here alone.

1343
01:57:58,700 --> 01:58:01,880
Right. So I think it's, it's January 10th.

1344
01:58:02,040 --> 01:58:06,240
Well, our next meeting where we would discuss this for going to wait until after that interlocal.

1345
01:58:06,300 --> 01:58:09,040
Two weeks later, the 20th January.

1346
01:58:09,620 --> 01:58:10,140
Was that day?

1347
01:58:10,140 --> 01:58:12,740
of 14, okay?

1348
01:58:16,180 --> 01:58:20,780
15. So we have a plan and commission meeting on January 14.

1349
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:32,740
Correct. Interlocal is on 15. Then there is a staff budget workshop and retreat on Saturday,

1350
01:58:33,020 --> 01:58:40,480
the 18th, 16th. Yeah, no, it's Thursday, 1916. And it's Saturday, 18th.

1351
01:58:40,480 --> 01:58:45,500
are regularly scheduled. January meeting would be in the 20s,

1352
01:58:45,600 --> 01:58:52,280
lighter 20s. Yeah. It'll be Tuesday the 28th. So let's bring it back

1353
01:58:52,280 --> 01:58:59,280
then. So that's when we put it on our calendar. So just, so that people

1354
01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:03,540
understand everybody understands what we would do at that meeting then is that

1355
01:59:03,540 --> 01:59:08,800
the subject will come back up. We can discuss it. And then one of three things

1356
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:15,380
can happen. Either the planning commission will make a positive recommendation to the city council

1357
01:59:15,380 --> 01:59:21,060
to continue or a negative recommendation to the city council or continue it for further information

1358
01:59:21,060 --> 01:59:29,520
gathering. Okay. Does that make sense? Everybody? Okay. All right. Should I use my gap?

1359
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:34,980
No, we're going to go back to those just now. I just want to make sure everybody understands what

1360
01:59:34,980 --> 01:59:40,760
the plan is one to three all right thank you everyone for your comments thank you for

1361
01:59:40,760 --> 01:59:43,420
helping us make these live in that interesting decisions

1362
01:59:46,460 --> 01:59:50,580
yes how we have number two on the agenda yes

1363
01:59:50,580 --> 01:59:58,440
item number two so thank you for coming everyone want to stay for more thrills and chills

1364
02:00:01,010 --> 02:00:08,890
Thanks Doug. It's a great opportunity to see how your government works or doesn't work as a case, maybe.

1365
02:00:17,720 --> 02:00:18,420
Luke, thanks.

1366
02:00:20,120 --> 02:00:26,760
So if you're going to go out in the hall, I would ask you to remember we have a public meeting going on in here, so please don't fuck super loud.

1367
02:00:52,990 --> 02:00:59,410
All right, let's go ahead and move back on to our item number two. So this'll be a

1368
02:00:59,410 --> 02:01:06,010
consider a recommendation for the Wellberg Kruger annexation located at 3725 Lake Creek Road

1369
02:01:06,490 --> 02:01:10,830
parcel number 707-8563.

1370
02:01:14,090 --> 02:01:20,130
Okay guys, back in session. Mr. Baron, I'm sorry to

1371
02:01:20,130 --> 02:01:22,190
spring that on you, but we're ready for you.

1372
02:01:26,400 --> 02:01:27,000
So now we are on

1373
02:01:27,000 --> 02:01:28,400
nine of number two

1374
02:01:34,640 --> 02:01:36,800
and the time is now yours sir.

1375
02:01:41,640 --> 02:01:42,480
So I'm just asking to be

1376
02:01:42,480 --> 02:01:45,940
quiet in the hallway. We can't really shut the door because it's an open meeting.

1377
02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:50,120
I

1378
02:01:52,940 --> 02:01:55,040
can't use out authority.

1379
02:01:56,180 --> 02:01:58,040
Thanks for showing up, Mike.

1380
02:01:59,240 --> 02:02:00,100
Okay, go ahead.

1381
02:02:00,920 --> 02:02:01,500
Thanks, Chairman.

1382
02:02:01,960 --> 02:02:03,280
Thank you.

1383
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:05,400
I'll figure out who is the property owner.

1384
02:02:05,600 --> 02:02:08,760
He's here representing the wellberg and for your annexation.

1385
02:02:10,080 --> 02:02:13,580
This can jump to the property here.

1386
02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:19,520
This parcel is over 300 acres and it's just east of red ledges.

1387
02:02:19,660 --> 02:02:27,740
This property was petitioned to be annexed into the city a year or so ago.

1388
02:02:29,220 --> 02:02:33,180
And the portion of this property actually was pulled in with the Jordanell Ridge annexation.

1389
02:02:33,680 --> 02:02:37,820
The rest of this was not in the annexation policy plan.

1390
02:02:37,820 --> 02:02:43,760
The original owner was proposing somewhere around was proposing considerably more density.

1391
02:02:44,900 --> 02:02:50,220
And since then they've sold that to Mr. Kruger who wants to essentially divide this into two lots,

1392
02:02:50,280 --> 02:02:53,680
one fifty acre lot, and then the other is two hundred acres.

1393
02:02:54,440 --> 02:03:02,300
And then there's a thirty acre dedication parcel to the trail for red ledges, open that flat here.

1394
02:03:04,420 --> 02:03:05,740
So here you can see the two lots.

1395
02:03:05,740 --> 02:03:18,180
And so given this density, the county, or the county, the city council actually amended the policy plan to permit to allow for the conversation of annexation and so that's what we're here to do.

1396
02:03:18,600 --> 02:03:23,500
And the application applicants looking for positive recommendation staffs recommending a positive recommendation.

1397
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:30,420
In looking at our general plan and zoning, we are recommending the mountain communities

1398
02:03:30,420 --> 02:03:34,420
own, but with the stipulations of that they are going to get the two lots and then you have

1399
02:03:34,420 --> 02:03:38,060
the 38th reparsal that would be turned over to red ledges.

1400
02:03:38,160 --> 02:03:43,040
Some of the history on that trail is red ledges through their development agreement, has had

1401
02:03:43,040 --> 02:03:45,880
a requirement to build that trail on the east side.

1402
02:03:46,360 --> 02:03:51,740
However, the current trail they have doesn't meet the topography or the slope requirements,

1403
02:03:51,740 --> 02:03:59,040
So it's a very steep and they've been talking to former owners for a while about trying to get an easement so they could meet some of those

1404
02:03:59,800 --> 02:04:09,500
those grades and now Mr. Kruger saying look I'll I'll do this 30 acres two red legislate access through yours so I can I can do these two lots. So

1405
02:04:09,500 --> 02:04:11,320
with that

1406
02:04:11,320 --> 02:04:12,800
going to staff report

1407
02:04:13,420 --> 02:04:15,320
Mount community zones there's a couple

1408
02:04:17,020 --> 02:04:22,620
requirements. We're giving, we're recommending positive recommendation for the findings that it's in the

1409
02:04:22,620 --> 02:04:28,060
annexation policy boundary meets a state code and the general plan. So we want it to be mountain

1410
02:04:28,060 --> 02:04:35,200
community zone, the trail property to be dedicated to the HOA with the timing of the plot,

1411
02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:40,800
whether that's before, but no later than the plot there and however that is to be done.

1412
02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:46,320
the property is going to be entitled to the two lots access to that property comes through

1413
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:51,290
red ledges. Any required utility services, if they request that, might understand right now,

1414
02:04:51,960 --> 02:04:56,080
is that they want to do a septic and a well, but if they needed, and they would be

1415
02:04:56,080 --> 02:05:03,140
service through red ledges and twin creeks, but service district. And then any of the successors

1416
02:05:03,140 --> 02:05:08,520
basically would can applicant compliance with city policies, ordinances, processes,

1417
02:05:09,300 --> 02:05:14,580
typical boilerplate language seven is an eight or boilerplate language as well for

1418
02:05:14,580 --> 02:05:18,700
engineering to say the master plan for structure elements which there's really

1419
02:05:18,700 --> 02:05:23,540
not much up here but basically any of these utilities they would need would be

1420
02:05:23,540 --> 02:05:28,620
installed by the applicant to support their need and then the city engineer

1421
02:05:28,620 --> 02:05:32,400
requirements to be met prior to final development so making sure they need

1422
02:05:32,400 --> 02:05:35,360
any of our standards but with that we're recommending

1423
02:05:36,240 --> 02:05:42,680
Recommendate positive recommendation to the city council and I said the applicant Mr. Cursh here to speak to any questions that you might have

1424
02:05:44,040 --> 02:05:45,000
Thank you

1425
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:53,400
Okay, I'll go ahead. I do have some questions, but I'll go ahead and turn the time to the applicant go ahead and address the commission first before I do that

1426
02:06:05,330 --> 02:06:08,210
Thanks for put me after that because I

1427
02:06:08,990 --> 02:06:12,530
Would rather be nowhere than here at that so

1428
02:06:13,810 --> 02:06:14,930
Oh, we were nice

1429
02:06:14,930 --> 02:06:21,930
Yeah, we're here to basically build a single family home.

1430
02:06:23,550 --> 02:06:24,570
My name is Paul Krueger.

1431
02:06:25,390 --> 02:06:28,630
I've been a valley here for a long time, grew up in Orm,

1432
02:06:29,530 --> 02:06:31,590
and falling in love with the Hebrew Valley

1433
02:06:31,590 --> 02:06:34,010
to come up here with Snow Billions as a young kid

1434
02:06:34,930 --> 02:06:36,970
and always want to live here and be a property owner.

1435
02:06:38,270 --> 02:06:41,130
And as you guys know, that's become increasingly a challenge

1436
02:06:41,130 --> 02:06:44,170
and so this is kind of a dream come true property for me.

1437
02:06:45,070 --> 02:06:50,970
know intention to develop it or be nice to make a little money on it, but unfortunately

1438
02:06:50,970 --> 02:06:58,470
it's just going to be the most expensive undertaking in my life, but I do feel really good

1439
02:06:58,470 --> 02:07:03,910
about the trail situation that's a public trail that a lot of people use that's going to be

1440
02:07:03,910 --> 02:07:11,630
maintained right now they're sort of working on a loose easement agreement and yeah I'd love to

1441
02:07:11,630 --> 02:07:18,350
answer any questions, we were pretty early in this thing, but we do plan on just, again, just

1442
02:07:18,350 --> 02:07:23,470
having kind of agricultural environment up there with the single time of the home.

1443
02:07:25,280 --> 02:07:27,000
Okay, thank you.

1444
02:07:28,560 --> 02:07:34,840
I guess I, please forgive me if I sound like I'm completely out in the left field here.

1445
02:07:37,300 --> 02:07:39,480
But is this already in our annexation policy?

1446
02:07:40,840 --> 02:07:42,860
Yes, that was amended earlier this year.

1447
02:07:42,860 --> 02:07:53,120
Okay. I was like, okay. Okay. My apologies. I've seen so many things. I'm starting to get twisted on what's what and what's not what. Yeah.

1448
02:07:54,320 --> 02:08:00,820
Okay. So this is already in our annexation plan. So we don't have to amend the annexation map to accommodate this.

1449
02:08:01,120 --> 02:08:06,800
Did. And that's, but that's already been completed at this point. Okay. So you're just talking about actual annexation.

1450
02:08:07,320 --> 02:08:09,700
And this is just for a single family home.

1451
02:08:09,740 --> 02:08:11,620
Do you single family home plots, yep.

1452
02:08:12,820 --> 02:08:13,620
All right. Thank you. Sorry.

1453
02:08:13,780 --> 02:08:17,160
I don't mean to sound like when we have a lot.

1454
02:08:17,300 --> 02:08:19,100
We have a lot going and I get it.

1455
02:08:20,940 --> 02:08:21,760
I'm almost 60.

1456
02:08:22,260 --> 02:08:22,580
We.

1457
02:08:24,140 --> 02:08:25,180
So in the mcc.

1458
02:08:26,420 --> 02:08:27,960
You're going to have one unit per acre.

1459
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:32,120
If you have sewer services and one unit per five acres.

1460
02:08:32,140 --> 02:08:33,640
If it's septic.

1461
02:08:33,640 --> 02:08:38,920
That's just what the basic density her zoning is for in mountain community, correct?

1462
02:08:40,160 --> 02:08:44,920
So would there be the ability to do that in the future one of these parcels or?

1463
02:08:45,180 --> 02:08:51,020
So that would be up to the council, the recommendation right now is that in the annexation agreement we would just

1464
02:08:51,540 --> 02:08:58,300
We would live at the density to the two under contractual agreement under the annexation we have the ability to do that.

1465
02:08:58,300 --> 02:09:05,600
If the council felt like they wanted to allow for that density to be at base zoning, they could do that if they wanted.

1466
02:09:06,300 --> 02:09:12,600
But all the conversations we've had, and correct me if I'm wrong, it's been just these two lots.

1467
02:09:17,100 --> 02:09:17,260
So.

1468
02:09:17,260 --> 02:09:20,700
document that was negotiated with Red Ledges to have access to the property.

1469
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:23,840
It's been this property's been landlocked for a number of years.

1470
02:09:24,500 --> 02:09:32,600
And within that document, the trail parcel, the 30 acres or whatever that was a part

1471
02:09:32,600 --> 02:09:32,960
of it.

1472
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:37,840
And then the deed restriction to the two home sites is also in that document.

1473
02:09:38,240 --> 02:09:42,140
So Red Ledges doesn't want more homes on that property?

1474
02:09:49,080 --> 02:09:56,900
Are you planning on doing an on-site system or are you going to connect on to the, unfortunately, our road is going to be pretty long.

1475
02:09:57,120 --> 02:10:06,960
So we're going to have to be on a septic and well, and I'd like to run power up there from, but their roads that give me access are still yet to be completed.

1476
02:10:09,040 --> 02:10:18,220
So, you know, talk to that well about that, but I think I think eventually we'll have run power everything else will be, you know, just.

1477
02:10:18,220 --> 02:10:19,500
Self-system.

1478
02:10:22,880 --> 02:10:25,440
All right. How are your any questions for our applicant or for

1479
02:10:25,820 --> 02:10:27,580
counselor staff?

1480
02:10:31,400 --> 02:10:36,860
So this is up for approval. So the record positive

1481
02:10:36,860 --> 02:10:40,920
recommendation I would in the chain of motion should someone be so bold. I'll make a

1482
02:10:40,920 --> 02:10:46,140
motion. I'm just going to go ahead. I moved forward a positive recommendation of

1483
02:10:46,140 --> 02:10:53,480
the Wellberg Kruger annexation with the findings and conditions outlined in the

1484
02:10:54,400 --> 02:10:58,760
Second, I have a motion in a second. Is there any discussion on the motion at this time? Go now.

1485
02:11:00,360 --> 02:11:04,000
Okay, hearing none. We'll go ahead and call for a vote. All those in favor say aye.

1486
02:11:04,540 --> 02:11:04,840
Hi.

1487
02:11:05,420 --> 02:11:06,000
Are any opposed?

1488
02:11:07,360 --> 02:11:10,640
Hey, hearing none, the motion carries unanimous. Thank you. Good luck.

1489
02:11:11,580 --> 02:11:12,920
There's that step down.

1490
02:11:14,760 --> 02:11:20,740
All right, and with that, I believe that is the end of our entertainment for the evening.

1491
02:11:26,880 --> 02:11:27,760
Yeah,

1492
02:11:32,260 --> 02:11:33,780
I'll come back. Thank you for coming.

1493
02:11:36,670 --> 02:11:38,030
Would you email us this?

1494
02:11:38,970 --> 02:11:44,470
There were several. You might say.

1495
02:11:46,070 --> 02:11:46,390
Oh, number.

1496
02:11:47,630 --> 02:11:53,390
So the email Michelle's referencing is about an invitation to the yearly retreat with the council,

1497
02:11:54,090 --> 02:12:02,450
as well as the council is requesting that you be present at the Jew January 7 Council meeting

1498
02:12:02,450 --> 02:12:12,710
to do your yearly kind of presentation for maybe some of your achievements are as well as some of your goals and the things that you feel are important for the upcoming year as

1499
02:12:12,710 --> 02:12:21,490
prior to going into their retreat. So all the boards and the city you're going to be there at that night giving their

1500
02:12:21,490 --> 02:12:27,570
what they feel is really strategy items and work.

1501
02:12:27,570 --> 02:12:34,790
Doesn't this say have to be everybody but somebody from the finding commission to represent there are a couple of you on the seventh yeah January 7

1502
02:12:34,790 --> 02:12:35,570
Oh

1503
02:12:42,130 --> 02:12:45,030
But data's in

1504
02:12:45,030 --> 02:12:46,890
Should be a Wednesday

1505
02:12:47,730 --> 02:12:48,850
Proposed to

1506
02:12:49,830 --> 02:12:55,830
It's a Tuesday. We're gonna have to combat converse with staff. I don't know while we've done as far regular stuff

1507
02:12:55,830 --> 02:12:57,150
I don't know that we really

1508
02:13:01,060 --> 02:13:03,760
There's things that you like codes or

1509
02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:05,220
projects that you feel like

1510
02:13:06,080 --> 02:13:09,760
Good, not ready for you. We rebuild a lot of stuff.

1511
02:13:12,280 --> 02:13:19,700
We just say, was this forward looking or backward looking forward? Well, it's both. It's saying, hey, here's what we got done this year. We totally revamped everything.

1512
02:13:20,380 --> 02:13:28,620
And then, so you can talk about that, everything. And then, say that it's moving forward. Here's what we would like to work on.

1513
02:13:29,080 --> 02:13:32,940
So last year I believe that, sorry, Mr. Chair, may make a comment.

1514
02:13:32,940 --> 02:13:45,880
I think we asked John to help us with sort of what he and you with a staff think we should be working on in terms of co-

1515
02:13:45,880 --> 02:13:54,680
future updates and code amendments. So we would ask you to prepare a response to that. So if that's okay.

1516
02:13:56,880 --> 02:14:03,640
And we know that that will not be small, because we have some issues that have unresolved if you might have a major.

1517
02:14:03,640 --> 02:14:05,140
We have a lot to do.

1518
02:14:05,460 --> 02:14:07,660
As far as looking backwards, we're talking backwards.

1519
02:14:08,160 --> 02:14:11,620
We want to summarize what we've covered in the last year, because I can't remember.

1520
02:14:11,940 --> 02:14:12,400
What is that?

1521
02:14:12,920 --> 02:14:13,480
Go ahead of me.

1522
02:14:13,580 --> 02:14:13,780
Go ahead of me.

1523
02:14:13,860 --> 02:14:17,920
We have a lot of records there.

1524
02:14:18,640 --> 02:14:19,420
I love people.

1525
02:14:19,700 --> 02:14:21,500
So we can ask them to take a look at that.

1526
02:14:21,500 --> 02:14:25,980
where he's helped you looking retroactive or in the past of the year, what we've accomplished.

1527
02:14:26,660 --> 02:14:31,030
Right. But if you guys want to establish some goals, I think that's the primary thing is

1528
02:14:31,700 --> 02:14:35,400
we have to establish and goals. What are your goals for the next year? What are the big strategy things

1529
02:14:35,400 --> 02:14:39,480
that you think we need to be working on? And that's and kind of presenting that to the council

1530
02:14:39,480 --> 02:14:43,880
getting some of that council feedback. Now I wasn't trying to make a cop-out. I mean, let's face facts.

1531
02:14:44,040 --> 02:14:49,400
When we had a lot of code amendments for you in the middle of quite a bit, I think it was very clear

1532
02:14:49,400 --> 02:14:56,120
what we had ahead of us, my question for you, Damian, and staff is, you know, are we done with that

1533
02:14:56,120 --> 02:14:58,680
or do we have more work ahead of us next year?

1534
02:15:01,200 --> 02:15:28,100
There will be some, ahead of us, as we educate pivot, I think one of those that will probably be coming back to you in the near future, we short-term rentals for revisiting that right now with some of the potential changes, and let's see our A were working on. We also have the overlay zone. We have a lot of stuff coming. Yeah, I think the overlay zone's been through public hearing with you guys already.

1535
02:15:30,200 --> 02:15:41,740
Yes. Yes. I remember right. I could be wrong. Yes. You forward the recommendation and the council is looking at that right now. Yes. There's probably some other things that we're. Is that coming back to us?

1536
02:15:42,500 --> 02:15:47,240
If not, if not at this time, I don't think.

1537
02:15:48,020 --> 02:15:52,060
So for me to recommendations, probably unlikely, but unless the council says it back.

1538
02:15:52,920 --> 02:15:54,740
The council sent it back a couple of weeks ago.

1539
02:15:57,090 --> 02:15:57,630
Yeah, I don't remember.

1540
02:15:58,650 --> 02:16:01,090
Daycare, we're looking at some amendments for daycares.

1541
02:16:01,310 --> 02:16:05,150
We're probably going to be looking at some other strategic modifications.

1542
02:16:05,770 --> 02:16:10,210
And then there's always the unknown yet.

1543
02:16:10,390 --> 02:16:10,810
Right.

1544
02:16:10,810 --> 02:16:15,170
the state legislature makes us change and so that's like here's how I think we should

1545
02:16:15,170 --> 02:16:19,490
proceed with that. We have the email that we get when Michelle sends her. Why don't you

1546
02:16:19,490 --> 02:16:24,810
over the next few days or so, just let your mind mull around and even if you send 10 emails

1547
02:16:24,810 --> 02:16:31,970
who care. Just jot down a thought, shoot it off, just reply all. Then that way we've got about there

1548
02:16:31,970 --> 02:16:36,270
where we can think about. Does that sound like a good idea? Does there's a ton of stuff coming

1549
02:16:36,270 --> 02:16:38,370
that we can still do that we need to do.

1550
02:16:38,470 --> 02:16:39,990
We need to do this last year.

1551
02:16:40,210 --> 02:16:41,590
No, kind of yes.

1552
02:16:42,390 --> 02:16:44,070
One thing too is make sure you guys,

1553
02:16:44,370 --> 02:16:46,110
because girls, the girls,

1554
02:16:46,290 --> 02:16:47,990
but because staff estimates,

1555
02:16:48,310 --> 02:16:49,370
sorry, I didn't mean that that way.

1556
02:16:49,550 --> 02:16:51,070
I mean, because you know who's doing it,

1557
02:16:51,070 --> 02:16:52,810
we're not that dumb.

1558
02:16:53,170 --> 02:16:54,430
We know who does it.

1559
02:16:54,890 --> 02:16:59,030
We need to keep track and make sure we've all got our four hours training this year.

1560
02:16:59,530 --> 02:17:02,270
So make sure you have it.

1561
02:17:04,440 --> 02:17:05,020
Why, right?

1562
02:17:05,020 --> 02:17:10,060
Did I, I think I'm there, but I'm not sure, but it's good stuff.

1563
02:17:11,780 --> 02:17:15,120
I sort of, I started it. Did you remember? Like,

1564
02:17:15,400 --> 02:17:20,360
we did a lot of work to do. I just have one other issue that I'd like to address and discuss,

1565
02:17:20,920 --> 02:17:27,200
really quick. And I bring this up for educational purposes and for you to keep in the back of your mind.

1566
02:17:29,950 --> 02:17:34,610
A number of years ago, I guess it's been because it seems like stuff like that happens now. I've been

1567
02:17:34,610 --> 02:17:43,890
for a while but we had a business approach to the city and on the south end of Main Street

1568
02:17:43,890 --> 02:17:51,530
on the east side and we asked them to move their building front back because there was a natural

1569
02:17:51,530 --> 02:17:57,270
line from the front of the hub. Oh yeah kind of went around through UCCU and we said hey we want

1570
02:17:57,730 --> 02:18:03,170
we want to have that zone right there on that side of the road where the front of the buildings are

1571
02:18:03,170 --> 02:18:10,650
back off Main Street to create that natural flow. It's kind of our entry corridor we want that to look nice.

1572
02:18:11,790 --> 02:18:16,710
I came flying off the highway from being down to Southern Utah one day. I almost wrecked when I saw

1573
02:18:16,710 --> 02:18:20,750
they were building a building right out in the right almost on Main Street. You don't almost have to

1574
02:18:20,750 --> 02:18:26,050
drive around and scratch your windows. I'm like, how did that happen? Why is that building

1575
02:18:26,050 --> 02:18:31,550
sicking out there like a sore thumb, let's see why wife has the ordinance. The problem

1576
02:18:31,550 --> 02:18:37,830
what happened is this, and I will take responsibility for it. We did not follow through and

1577
02:18:37,830 --> 02:18:45,050
make sure that that was written into the code. And so when staff has that come in, it used

1578
02:18:45,050 --> 02:18:49,930
to come before the planning commission. So the planning commission would address that. But

1579
02:18:49,930 --> 02:18:55,270
since then, things have changed. We didn't have it in the code. So the staff wasn't required

1580
02:18:55,270 --> 02:19:01,850
put it back. They actually were required to put it out front because that was how the code is written.

1581
02:19:02,630 --> 02:19:07,950
And so as a result, we wound up where we had actually asked natural grossers to push

1582
02:19:07,950 --> 02:19:12,710
theirs back when they wanted it up there to begin with. We asked them to push it back,

1583
02:19:13,010 --> 02:19:17,610
but because of that change in the legislature, it didn't come before the planning commission.

1584
02:19:17,850 --> 02:19:22,430
And so that was dropped and we wound up with that building sticking right out there on the mean

1585
02:19:22,430 --> 02:19:25,060
on the road and it completely wouldn't, doesn't fit.

1586
02:19:27,250 --> 02:19:30,990
So if I can make a couple of comments on that, um,

1587
02:19:30,990 --> 02:19:34,910
I'm worried about what it's for you. And I think a lot of this conversation took place just before

1588
02:19:34,910 --> 02:19:39,890
because I got here, because National Grocers was under construction, but I looked into the

1589
02:19:39,890 --> 02:19:45,490
ordinance on that and the ordinance made an allowance for National Grocer, but it didn't,

1590
02:19:45,630 --> 02:19:50,550
it didn't, but the rest of it required. Essentially, this one didn't have the meat the same standard

1591
02:19:50,550 --> 02:19:53,510
it to allow them to be pushed back.

1592
02:19:53,730 --> 02:19:59,190
Um, but so whatever, whatever, I don't know how it got written or at their house proposed

1593
02:19:59,190 --> 02:19:59,990
in the code amendment.

1594
02:20:00,330 --> 02:20:04,650
I should know the way it's written and it did come to the planning commission for site plan

1595
02:20:04,650 --> 02:20:09,350
approval, uh, this body approved it, but it because it met the code, it was administrative.

1596
02:20:10,410 --> 02:20:11,150
And if you did.

1597
02:20:11,150 --> 02:20:12,190
This wasn't here that day.

1598
02:20:12,330 --> 02:20:13,490
I must not have been here that night.

1599
02:20:13,850 --> 02:20:16,910
So I almost wrecked them like who put that out?

1600
02:20:16,910 --> 02:20:27,430
I'm trying to find what this whole arrangement was to have it set back and forth, but if you have building set back then you have all you have is

1601
02:20:27,430 --> 02:20:37,200
Park looking this front and you have Carl Malone and you have this place in this place with parking and parking and parking and parking and we don't

1602
02:20:37,650 --> 02:20:43,170
Why do we want that? I would rather have the building. I'd rather have the building on the road

1603
02:20:45,330 --> 02:20:47,890
I had the parking lot behind the building.

1604
02:20:49,310 --> 02:20:51,230
I had the parking lot behind the building.

1605
02:20:51,490 --> 02:20:53,610
How does a hub drive?

1606
02:20:53,930 --> 02:20:55,930
What does a sign should be for Eber?

1607
02:20:56,790 --> 02:20:58,570
You have the hub back.

1608
02:20:58,790 --> 02:21:00,590
You have the gas station back the way.

1609
02:21:01,930 --> 02:21:03,510
You have the Ford dealership back.

1610
02:21:03,690 --> 02:21:05,170
You have the Chevy dealership back.

1611
02:21:05,250 --> 02:21:07,470
I know they have cars in front.

1612
02:21:07,550 --> 02:21:11,290
They have all those back and all of a sudden you got this building stuck right on the road

1613
02:21:11,290 --> 02:21:11,950
in the back.

1614
02:21:12,230 --> 02:21:18,010
It's a way out of small, then a set just means that the building out next to the road

1615
02:21:18,010 --> 02:21:19,590
is the only one that's right.

1616
02:21:19,810 --> 02:21:20,930
No, well, that's correct.

1617
02:21:21,470 --> 02:21:23,130
That's according to the code.

1618
02:21:23,490 --> 02:21:28,170
But with the discussion we had that night in that meeting is what we wanted that line to

1619
02:21:28,170 --> 02:21:31,730
stay and flow together so we didn't wind up with the thumbs sticking out there.

1620
02:21:31,750 --> 02:21:32,530
And that meeting.

1621
02:21:33,070 --> 02:21:35,190
Now we have a big thumbs sticking out.

1622
02:21:35,310 --> 02:21:37,950
Do you know how many people have commented about that?

1623
02:21:38,030 --> 02:21:39,450
Oh my, oh yeah.

1624
02:21:39,610 --> 02:21:40,450
I think it's correct.

1625
02:21:41,350 --> 02:21:48,990
Oh, no, I haven't been hearing any good comments about it, but rather have you tell them?

1626
02:21:48,990 --> 02:21:50,130
Isn't it medical officers?

1627
02:21:50,310 --> 02:21:51,250
They're at the parking lot.

1628
02:21:51,910 --> 02:21:58,450
So, the last time I heard anything about that property was supposed to be a car wash.

1629
02:21:58,870 --> 02:22:00,790
So, when I come around there building office building,

1630
02:22:02,010 --> 02:22:03,630
I think it probably got to be a militant.

1631
02:22:03,830 --> 02:22:05,110
And it was very similar to that.

1632
02:22:05,430 --> 02:22:08,090
What the only there was other adjectives that went in behind.

1633
02:22:08,090 --> 02:22:09,090
the other person.

1634
02:22:12,870 --> 02:22:23,690
So here's my thought, another thought too, and that is, because I don't have the context behind all of that, there have been time for you as the recommending body. You've said, here's how we want to do this.

1635
02:22:23,830 --> 02:22:28,570
And I should have been here. I let you guys alone for one meeting and look what you did.

1636
02:22:29,670 --> 02:22:31,310
And I think we got to do it.

1637
02:22:31,450 --> 02:22:32,490
Next one comes up.

1638
02:22:32,490 --> 02:22:34,650
to tell you the take vacation.

1639
02:22:36,810 --> 02:22:40,730
As a recommending body, sometimes when you recommend an ordinance

1640
02:22:40,730 --> 02:22:47,110
change, the adopting body, the council will legislate a body, doesn't always agree, they change it.

1641
02:22:47,110 --> 02:22:53,330
And they change it because that is their prerogative as a policymaking. We've never seen examples of that.

1642
02:22:53,390 --> 02:22:59,090
One of those examples was we had two of our planning commissioners, your architects work on

1643
02:23:00,570 --> 02:23:07,870
building materials and design requirements and specifically around metal and some of these

1644
02:23:07,870 --> 02:23:12,210
other fire minutes, we went to the council and the council had a different opinion and they

1645
02:23:12,210 --> 02:23:17,230
actually modified that code recommendation. So which in some of these other things and we

1646
02:23:17,230 --> 02:23:22,130
talked about zone changes, that's why we started doing that kind of council report to you guys.

1647
02:23:22,410 --> 02:23:27,670
And so the main purpose of my bring in this up is just if there's things that you guys want

1648
02:23:27,670 --> 02:23:30,670
see done in the code, we got to fall through it.

1649
02:23:30,670 --> 02:23:30,910
Sure.

1650
02:23:31,250 --> 02:23:33,150
And that's why I bring this up.

1651
02:23:33,310 --> 02:23:36,890
Especially what we're talking about, some of the changes with the downtown and all

1652
02:23:36,890 --> 02:23:41,750
this up, make sure if it's something you got an issue with, make sure we get it into

1653
02:23:41,750 --> 02:23:42,270
the code otherwise.

1654
02:23:44,150 --> 02:23:47,370
It decounts who make the metal things better or worse.

1655
02:23:47,690 --> 02:23:48,550
Robert agrees with that.

1656
02:23:48,570 --> 02:23:51,590
It's a great idea on a wonderful idea.

1657
02:23:51,630 --> 02:23:52,710
You already know mine.

1658
02:23:52,710 --> 02:24:02,630
I was it was opposite I read it was worse worse got it in the eyes of what the probably of the planning

1659
02:24:02,630 --> 02:24:08,870
Commissioner that point is at the time right and it's obviously a different council than we have today so it's a

1660
02:24:08,870 --> 02:24:10,510
You know that's how the nature of

1661
02:24:11,730 --> 02:24:13,510
local politics work so

1662
02:24:14,510 --> 02:24:21,110
But moving to the point is hey if we see something easy fix. Let's talk about it and if it's really important to you

1663
02:24:21,110 --> 02:24:30,990
Bring it forward, make a recommendation, and if, and I think they're, sometimes it may be appropriate to attend the council meeting when they talk about it, so you can share some of the thoughts.

1664
02:24:31,710 --> 02:24:35,450
As the collective thoughts of this board or this commission.

1665
02:24:36,150 --> 02:24:38,430
So we can revisit ordinances too, right?

1666
02:24:39,570 --> 02:24:40,070
Absolutely.

1667
02:24:40,390 --> 02:24:40,470
Absolutely.

1668
02:24:40,770 --> 02:24:42,450
Because now you have a different council.

1669
02:24:43,630 --> 02:24:44,830
Vote none of them.

1670
02:24:44,830 --> 02:24:49,430
And, you know, at the time, that was what we wanted to do, that's what, so when I came

1671
02:24:49,430 --> 02:24:53,050
when I see that I was like, wait a minute, I thought we, so there was a lesson for me too,

1672
02:24:53,110 --> 02:24:59,330
because we thought we made that, we wanted to do that, and then it slid through them and totally forgot

1673
02:24:59,330 --> 02:25:05,190
about it, but it was supposed to be codified, and it wasn't. I think it got codified differently,

1674
02:25:05,530 --> 02:25:10,070
then what it sounds like you're saying the planning commission, at least we're recommending.

1675
02:25:10,330 --> 02:25:13,350
They're not, they may have changed it from what we recommended.

1676
02:25:13,350 --> 02:25:16,770
I don't know that. I don't know the answer. I'd have to do a lot of research on that one.

1677
02:25:16,950 --> 02:25:22,830
Well, the thing is, this goes back to this idea and why you have to be really careful

1678
02:25:23,330 --> 02:25:28,750
because a lot of times people will paint a picture in your mind of what they want you to see,

1679
02:25:30,550 --> 02:25:36,090
and then they come in and get an annexation or I'm not calling any specific annexations,

1680
02:25:37,550 --> 02:25:42,670
but I'm saying that that can happen, and then the property gets flipped about six times,

1681
02:25:42,670 --> 02:25:48,310
And then you're thinking this when the next person comes in and the numbers and everything

1682
02:25:48,310 --> 02:25:52,350
It was agreed to or totally different and oh, that isn't what we're going to be going to happen

1683
02:25:52,350 --> 02:25:57,230
So it's very important to keep an eye on what's going on that way because it can happen

1684
02:25:57,770 --> 02:26:01,790
Anyway, that's why I brought it up with this as an educational thing. It's not a

1685
02:26:01,790 --> 02:26:03,710
Nobody's in trouble, but me.

1686
02:26:03,710 --> 02:26:09,070
Well, I think it's your point. This is why we want to talk about these priorities to say hey, if there's something we feel like we need to change

1687
02:26:09,070 --> 02:26:15,310
And we want to study this year for not completing the council about it and let them know, this is our,

1688
02:26:15,310 --> 02:26:24,010
All right, what we're thinking, so that's that's exactly what we're having this conversation for let's revisit all the ordinances that they changed from what we wanted.

1689
02:26:25,850 --> 02:26:29,250
So do you have a council update report for us today.

1690
02:26:30,090 --> 02:26:31,010
What was the question?

1691
02:26:31,410 --> 02:26:33,890
Do you have a council update report for us today?

1692
02:26:33,890 --> 02:26:36,230
I'm not seeing one third.

1693
02:26:36,930 --> 02:26:39,990
I wasn't in our agenda so we can't talk about it.

1694
02:26:40,590 --> 02:26:42,470
It's for where reason the

1695
02:26:43,490 --> 02:26:45,810
it's not showing me anything so.

1696
02:26:46,870 --> 02:26:49,210
I think the only thing that would be relevant for us,

1697
02:26:49,370 --> 02:26:54,030
Jamie, would be to understand the most recent report you made to the council about

1698
02:26:55,270 --> 02:26:56,310
development projects.

1699
02:27:01,140 --> 02:27:07,620
December 3rd, there was a discussion about funding trails maintenance from the Wassets

1700
02:27:07,620 --> 02:27:13,820
Trail's Foundation. There was a recommendation about 300 south and where the trail should be.

1701
02:27:14,100 --> 02:27:19,280
The discussion was proposed that it could on the north side of the street between Main Street

1702
02:27:19,280 --> 02:27:31,120
and 600 West. There was a discussion about maintaining sewer access and lead and other

1703
02:27:31,120 --> 02:27:34,100
development where people built in the floodplain.

1704
02:27:35,260 --> 02:27:47,580
Then Jordan El Ridge, Transportation Master Plan, Amendment was not discussed, even though it was on the agenda it got continued and probably will be on the agenda next week.

1705
02:28:01,250 --> 02:28:04,390
options there's not a lot. There was a discussion about North

1706
02:28:04,390 --> 02:28:07,170
Village crossing, harsh village, there was just a discussion

1707
02:28:07,170 --> 02:28:12,010
no action. I believe that's going to be on the future agenda. And then

1708
02:28:13,430 --> 02:28:16,330
just some discussion on part policy. So, and then the day

1709
02:28:16,330 --> 02:28:18,430
should have retreat, which we sent to you. So, there really wasn't much

1710
02:28:18,430 --> 02:28:21,090
from the last one. I got a break then.

1711
02:28:21,090 --> 02:28:29,470
as development goes. We didn't, we actually didn't do a presentation on this one, but I can tell you

1712
02:28:29,470 --> 02:28:34,890
that we have been seeing a little slowing for the moment, but we have also gotten some additional

1713
02:28:34,890 --> 02:28:39,210
applications. So we kind of just saw a little pause. I'll just slow down a little bit.

1714
02:28:40,810 --> 02:28:45,390
More pause and people kind of waiting. I think some of it was leading up to election where

1715
02:28:45,390 --> 02:28:48,610
of the development or other investment community.

1716
02:28:48,650 --> 02:28:49,870
I was wondering if the interest rates,

1717
02:28:49,870 --> 02:28:51,990
I was wondering if interest rates

1718
02:28:51,990 --> 02:28:54,510
could be enough a little bit or slowing things down or not.

1719
02:28:54,630 --> 02:28:56,210
Does that extent it does for sure?

1720
02:28:56,530 --> 02:29:01,610
Is there still, you know, not like when I bought my first house,

1721
02:29:03,630 --> 02:29:06,170
I didn't mean to sound like an old man not.

1722
02:29:06,310 --> 02:29:11,650
It's also still the thing is what I meant was back then,

1723
02:29:11,670 --> 02:29:14,230
I got 7%, and it was like people were like,

1724
02:29:14,230 --> 02:29:15,150
How did you get that?

1725
02:29:15,150 --> 02:29:15,630
That's incredible.

1726
02:29:16,290 --> 02:29:16,770
You know.

1727
02:29:17,250 --> 02:29:22,770
So I think compared to leave to where we've been in the past with current property values,

1728
02:29:23,010 --> 02:29:26,170
I think that definitely has something to do with it.

1729
02:29:26,330 --> 02:29:26,550
For sure.

1730
02:29:26,690 --> 02:29:29,810
Back then, Dennis, they did have a affordable housing.

1731
02:29:31,750 --> 02:29:35,330
Actually, when I bought my house and people from California had to come up to see if

1732
02:29:35,330 --> 02:29:37,530
you could really live in the house, those actually.

1733
02:29:39,330 --> 02:29:39,950
I'm not kidding.

1734
02:29:41,550 --> 02:29:46,950
The development agreements on the North Village crossing in a harvest village is that already in next to the city.

1735
02:29:47,490 --> 02:29:49,950
No, it's up for annexation.

1736
02:29:51,410 --> 02:29:55,510
And there was 90 minutes put aside. They got a lot of press that got continued.

1737
02:29:56,810 --> 02:29:59,850
Are there any issues that we the planning commission would like to know about?

1738
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:27,350
I think this issue is right now, would be essentially. So, this one comes through planning commission, almost a last year, the year before things last year. And they've already held the public hearing at planning commission or city council, sorry. And they've been working through the fact that the property changed property hands of ownership.

1739
02:30:27,350 --> 02:30:30,970
The Council was not very supportive of the original plan.

1740
02:30:31,510 --> 02:30:35,470
The new developer, new owner, is recommending a different plan.

1741
02:30:36,790 --> 02:30:41,430
And the challenge right now is there's a lot of discussion revolving around

1742
02:30:42,010 --> 02:30:47,550
you dot in the bypass and how this may impact and the

1743
02:30:47,550 --> 02:30:51,290
the question is, could it impact the outcome of the EIS?

1744
02:30:51,410 --> 02:30:53,450
So that's a lot of where that conversation is going on.

1745
02:30:53,450 --> 02:30:59,870
I believe you have an opinion that these developments do not impact their plans if I read what I read.

1746
02:31:00,030 --> 02:31:01,470
I wasn't in that meeting last time.

1747
02:31:01,950 --> 02:31:03,910
That's what they told the press.

1748
02:31:05,230 --> 02:31:08,610
It's not a development agreement approved, right?

1749
02:31:08,890 --> 02:31:10,070
There is one through the county.

1750
02:31:10,790 --> 02:31:13,110
They actually have a development agreement that I,

1751
02:31:13,110 --> 02:31:18,790
is another ten or so years for the water park that you,

1752
02:31:18,790 --> 02:31:19,890
you guys have probably heard about earlier.

1753
02:31:20,150 --> 02:31:21,210
It was the resort park.

1754
02:31:21,210 --> 02:31:29,010
Yeah, there's a water park in the corner, right there in the corner, the North Village Resort.

1755
02:31:29,850 --> 02:31:31,770
That was under different owners though, right?

1756
02:31:31,890 --> 02:31:32,470
That's correct.

1757
02:31:32,550 --> 02:31:36,330
You owners are saying we would propose to do something other than what was there.

1758
02:31:36,530 --> 02:31:38,190
We've never understood exactly what that is.

1759
02:31:38,350 --> 02:31:39,930
That new proposal hasn't been approved.

1760
02:31:40,610 --> 02:31:40,990
I don't know.

1761
02:31:41,050 --> 02:31:41,750
Let's talk to those students.

1762
02:31:43,670 --> 02:31:48,090
They just, they have, they have entitlements through the county in terms of development.

1763
02:31:48,090 --> 02:31:50,950
on a promise is something the pop day would you get yours about it?

1764
02:31:51,830 --> 02:31:56,810
They were saying the county that had to go through that and build a according to that.

1765
02:31:57,150 --> 02:31:58,590
We'll probably start over.

1766
02:31:59,250 --> 02:32:02,550
This is if they come to the city, they have the ability of depending on what the council wants

1767
02:32:02,550 --> 02:32:06,890
to do to do either one of those two things or the council can change that agreement.

1768
02:32:07,430 --> 02:32:07,490
And right.

1769
02:32:07,570 --> 02:32:13,110
That kind of what Doug Smith was referring to where you at the time of annexation, there's

1770
02:32:13,110 --> 02:32:13,970
also an agreement.

1771
02:32:14,210 --> 02:32:14,530
Yeah.

1772
02:32:14,750 --> 02:32:15,770
It's been about things to show you.

1773
02:32:15,770 --> 02:32:22,410
And typically, we haven't talked about high practice set, here's the agreement to what we expect out of this development.

1774
02:32:23,190 --> 02:32:28,750
So on both sides, the developer wants to, some of the surety that they know that they have a viable project.

1775
02:32:29,250 --> 02:32:36,730
On the city side, we want to know for sure that we get some of the things that we need to ensure that the impact are mitigated or other.

1776
02:32:36,730 --> 02:32:43,050
There could be further negotiations or changes after the annexation from that agreement.

1777
02:32:43,710 --> 02:32:48,230
So anything that's legislative can always be brought up.

1778
02:32:48,470 --> 02:32:51,070
Sometimes in this, I think, it was to the point of Chairman Gun.

1779
02:32:51,490 --> 02:32:53,930
If someone were to get his own change agreement, just in general,

1780
02:32:54,030 --> 02:32:55,170
let's not talk annexation.

1781
02:32:56,170 --> 02:32:58,410
And then also in the decide, this really isn't what we want to do.

1782
02:32:58,510 --> 02:33:00,590
We want to change it and do a different zone change agreement.

1783
02:33:00,730 --> 02:33:02,330
They can always petition that.

1784
02:33:02,410 --> 02:33:04,210
You know, it's petition a legislative change.

1785
02:33:04,930 --> 02:33:09,690
So if they get annexed in, the other things that some cities do in the state

1786
02:33:09,690 --> 02:33:12,150
and it's not been a practice of Hebrew city,

1787
02:33:12,270 --> 02:33:16,990
but they'll annex them in at, say, an ag or whatever the zoning is.

1788
02:33:17,230 --> 02:33:19,910
And then they'll have negotiations later

1789
02:33:19,910 --> 02:33:21,790
and go through a zone change process.

1790
02:33:22,330 --> 02:33:23,750
They say, oh, access station on the public.

1791
02:33:23,950 --> 02:33:26,190
Let's do it up front, so that we all have an understanding.

1792
02:33:27,170 --> 02:33:29,490
We're probably in the strongest standing

1793
02:33:29,490 --> 02:33:32,370
to do that during annexation, as opposed to later on.

1794
02:33:33,510 --> 02:33:34,550
But it still has to be done.

1795
02:33:34,590 --> 02:33:38,350
If they want to change anything else, it goes to the public from all the same steps.

1796
02:33:38,350 --> 02:33:44,730
If they want to change anything that is a policy or law, then they have to go.

1797
02:33:44,910 --> 02:33:49,510
There are minor things that they can change that doesn't really affect those.

1798
02:33:50,610 --> 02:33:53,410
Is this relevant to the hearing we had today?

1799
02:33:54,950 --> 02:33:58,670
This particular annexation now, we're talking about a separate.

1800
02:33:58,770 --> 02:34:01,610
This is the one out on River Road.

1801
02:34:01,630 --> 02:34:03,950
Yeah, I'm just asking about the methodology.

1802
02:34:04,290 --> 02:34:05,470
Well, methodology, yes.

1803
02:34:05,850 --> 02:34:06,710
We would do the same thing.

1804
02:34:06,850 --> 02:34:07,650
We would say.

1805
02:34:07,650 --> 02:34:14,050
That's what Tony said about 10 or 15 minutes here and then 10 minutes there or whatever that one was but that there's no annexation

1806
02:34:15,190 --> 02:34:18,150
at River Road right on the west side of the road

1807
02:34:18,150 --> 02:34:22,230
Yes, sir, that's what we're talking about yeah, that's harvest village and crossings

1808
02:34:22,230 --> 02:34:28,010
It's not been annexed approved by the council yet, but they're having those conversations. That's what I'm saying it hasn't been annexed

1809
02:34:29,190 --> 02:34:32,250
But it is something I'm Tuesday next week

1810
02:34:33,090 --> 02:34:37,970
In our policy plan, they've gone through the process, they're at the tele into the process on that one.

1811
02:34:38,310 --> 02:34:46,290
This one that we're talking about, that you talk about tonight, if the city adopts a modification of the annexation policy plan,

1812
02:34:46,730 --> 02:34:53,310
then, yes, later on, down the road you would have an annex, if you petition the whole same process,

1813
02:34:54,290 --> 02:34:59,250
agreements, my understanding is there not a development agreement on that.

1814
02:35:01,070 --> 02:35:07,790
So really the only way we're going to see any further detail on that is to approve expanding

1815
02:35:07,790 --> 02:35:09,290
the area of annexation.

1816
02:35:09,450 --> 02:35:14,330
Yeah, that's on the extent, and yeah, which is kind of the process, so it's technically

1817
02:35:14,330 --> 02:35:14,870
built.

1818
02:35:15,330 --> 02:35:18,890
They want you to enact except before you waste public dollars on managing it.

1819
02:35:19,910 --> 02:35:21,410
I have any questions you have?

1820
02:35:21,570 --> 02:35:27,710
I would just, my only caution for the moment is where that, that I was being closed, I would

1821
02:35:27,710 --> 02:35:30,570
probably not continue to discuss this one,

1822
02:35:30,710 --> 02:35:31,810
because it's already been addressed to them.

1823
02:35:31,810 --> 02:35:34,270
Yeah, and we're not discussing the process, not the actual.

1824
02:35:34,570 --> 02:35:36,990
I'm going to make sure we're appreciating the guidance.

1825
02:35:38,450 --> 02:35:40,390
Okay, with that, we got some folks here.

1826
02:35:40,430 --> 02:35:42,350
This is also possibly the, yeah,

1827
02:35:42,490 --> 02:35:44,590
so this is the mood of the room.

1828
02:35:45,730 --> 02:35:48,470
There's these various annexations all happening,

1829
02:35:48,690 --> 02:35:51,930
and that's why we might be getting a little bit of some

1830
02:35:51,930 --> 02:35:54,430
bruising from the fact that we're being accused

1831
02:35:54,430 --> 02:35:56,410
of annexing everything and anybody.

1832
02:35:57,910 --> 02:35:59,890
Mr. Chair, I have a motion.

1833
02:36:00,630 --> 02:36:02,230
I would in your can of motion.

1834
02:36:02,710 --> 02:36:06,770
I move to adjourn and Merry Christmas Happy New Year.

1835
02:36:10,880 --> 02:36:11,320
Oh, I can't.

1836
02:36:12,200 --> 02:36:12,460
Okay.

1837
02:36:12,660 --> 02:36:12,920
Let's go.

1838
02:36:13,780 --> 02:36:14,260
Seconds.

1839
02:36:14,280 --> 02:36:15,340
All of us in favor, say aye.

1840
02:36:16,440 --> 02:36:17,260
Happy New Year.

1841
02:36:17,260 --> 02:36:17,400
Motion.

1842
02:36:17,900 --> 02:36:18,500
Passage unions.

1843
02:36:18,940 --> 02:36:19,200
Thank you.

1844
02:36:19,240 --> 02:36:19,560
Aye.

1845
02:36:19,680 --> 02:36:21,320
And thank you, staff, for the gifts.

1846
02:36:22,300 --> 02:36:23,040
Merry Christmas, everybody.

1847
02:36:24,100 --> 02:36:25,200
Thank you for the staff.

1848
02:36:25,280 --> 02:36:27,900
Thank you for hospitality this year.

1849
02:36:27,900 --> 02:36:29,960
Thank you for lunches and