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Conference. Well, now be recorded. All right. Welcome, everyone. Today is September 16, 2025, and this is a meeting of the Heber City Council. This is the work meeting. It is now 4.03 p.m. The board, the council members, sorry, that are in attendance. Are Mike Johnson, sitos to guard and myself, Heidi Franco. We have Yvonne Barney excused. We also have Scott Phillips excused till later today. We hope that Aaron Sheetwood will join us soon.

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But we're going to get started because the first item on the work meeting is the 100 west design field trip.

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So we're going to be pausing the recording until we're done with the field trip and any of you that are out there that want to join us.

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We're going to 100 west, 100 south, down to 300 south to discuss the 100 west road design.

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We will join you back in a little bit what we are going now on the filter.

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Thank you.

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Is this conference?

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Well, now be recorded.

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We're good.

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Oh, no.

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I still got to wait for what?

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Wait, Scott is here.

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Right.

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Can you show the participants online, please?

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Can you know?

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Test one, two.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Welcome again, everyone.

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This is still a meeting of the Heber City Council on September 16th, 2020.

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25. Welcome to all of you here in the chambers as well as online. We are coming back from a field trip where we walked blocks along 100 west to look at some future designs.

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Okay, so I need to announce the council members that are here in attendance. In the chamber, we have Sid Ostergard, Aaron Sheetwood, myself Heidi Franco and Mike Jostin.

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And online we have Council Member Scott Phillips and Council Member Yvonne Barney is excused.

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All right, so we're going to work on our second agenda item for the work meeting which

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is the Heberlite and Power Utility Box discussion, Matt or Council, do you want to ask questions

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first to Jason or do you want Jason to go first?

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I'm good to have the presentation first or whatever you're going to represent.

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on the filter so they hear just as a resource to us.

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Okay, if that's the case, let me restate some stuff for the public that wasn't available

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to come, realizing they could have come.

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We just walked over on 100 West between 100 South and we call it 250 South.

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One of the things we talked to Jason and Riley about was the necessity for the switch box,

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which is the box that currently has the Hebrew creeper train wrap around it on the south side

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of the park engineering building. Gentlemen, if you could explain again for the people that

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weren't here on the walk, why those switch boxes are needed, why they're as tall as they are,

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and what other options there might be mentioned devolved and what that would look like.

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That would be great, I think.

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Yeah, you know, those switch boxes are large.

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I get that.

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You know, that's why we opened one so you guys can see exactly what's entailed there.

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And, you know, they are a requirement on the system once we go underground.

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You know, even up in North Village area, we get a lot of pushback for the switches to get installed.

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You know, it's just, you know, it's just one of those pick your poison type things.

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You know, and on those main feeders, you know, those have to be that big wire that I showed you out there.

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You know, that's 1100 aluminum and that's our standard main feeder conductor.

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You know, there's once you kind of spin off, you can go to some smaller equipment.

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But based on the rate we're growing and everything we've just pulled out way too much,

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that's like four-ot conductor and replaced it with 1100

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because the feeder circuits just keep growing.

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So that's kind of been our default three-phase feeder conductor.

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And can you correct my understanding here

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on a restate of where those are needed?

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In that those are needed when we transitioned from a above ground,

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so a pole structure to a below ground in addition to

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would be needed wherever there is a major three phase in the future, a major three phase development

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or so a three phase transformer development or something like that where they might be needed

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mid block or something like that. So that if we were to think about bearing an entire block or

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another block it's only where the above ground to below ground transition is necessary that

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But that size switch box is necessary.

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Yes, you know, we've got to continue to serve the, we've got to continue to serve whoever we're serving on that line.

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And wherever there's a transformer on the pole, that transformer has to come and get installed in that relative same location.

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And at that point, we also need to, you know, fuse and protect that transformer.

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So like I say, the equipment might go down in size, depending.

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But it just take like a typical URD underground installation, like out north of town.

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any time that we feed a single-phase circuit out to go like, you know, run a loop

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around a block and set transformers, we got to come out of one of those

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switches to do that. That's just, that's how we have to design that way on the

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underground system. So as you like, look at taking sections underground, you know,

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We're here to help and we can, you know, really pinpoint exactly what type of equipment needs to go in, you know, throughout the process.

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But there's just our hands are tied in some locations to happen to add that equipment.

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So one quick follow up question I had from our walk, if we didn't and I'm not making a decision right now, but if we didn't decide to bury the lines on 100 west and instead waited for development pressures to dictate that whether it's commercial development or redevelopment of residences in the future.

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is there's something that we could work with Hebrew power to put into either our codes or

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Russ might even know that it's already in a code. Is there some way to pre-ready those units

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for an underground service, meaning could they have an aerial service for now but get ready with a

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box on their own, get ready with a line on their own that goes out to the road or to where the

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the underground connection might be in the future,

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and just not energize that line.

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Leave that there in case in the future.

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We came back and varied that line,

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so we wouldn't be digging up all those properties

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as things develop.

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Once again, very hard to really know

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where that next developer,

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you know, say a developer goes in there,

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tears a house down, puts in a business,

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what their voltage and service requirements

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going to be where they would actually like their transformer located on their property.

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You know, that's all stuff that we work with that developer on, especially when you

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start talking about, you know, going from what was a typical 120208 voltage house to a

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three phase, one, twenty-two, away. Sometimes they want that transformer located in a particular area

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to where we'd have to come out of a switch and go to where they want their transformer located

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on their property. So once again, I don't want to like go and put a bunch of basements in and bury

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them and maybe hit it.

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So I just think anticipation and that type of stuff is really hard.

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I think the onus goes on that developer at that point and with directional boring technologies

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and things like that today, I don't see where you're digging up your assets necessarily.

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You know, um,

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it's sometimes just better to do a directional board where they want it.

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Scott, do you have anything you'd like to add our, our ask online since you missed the filter up?

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No, I'm, I'm just listening trying to get caught up there.

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Okay.

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So thanks again for coming out, you know, um, again, we want to work with all our utility providers and make sure because this is a big undertaking what we're trying to do.

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and what we're planning down here.

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So we want to make everybody a somewhat

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happy or happy and still provide what

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the vision of this vision central

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Heber will be.

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So again, thank you for coming out.

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It was very helpful for all of us

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to see, especially open up in the big

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box and seeing, holy moly, that's

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a lot of wires going in there.

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And then understanding how much it

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It does take to put it underground and the cost of that is it's not cheap and so again

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thank you.

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Mayor, a quick question.

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Jason, what's your standards now about sharing an electric trench with fiber?

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Our conduits are deeper and then we'll allow you know, put it to a separation that on the

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other side of the fence.

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Nobody else?

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Cool.

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I just thought of another question.

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So Jason, you had mentioned another option, which nobody's really talked about yet, but we mentioned it since we were walking around looking at it in the plans that we'd seen for the first west transition, which may not be where we land, but there was a plan where the the block between 100, sorry, between 200 south and 300 south, the road and the sidewalk both moved further to the west, which would necessitate either moving poles or burying.

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You had mentioned there was an option to maybe not move poles and to either go higher or to move poles.

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Can you tell us a little bit about what the going higher option would do?

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And then if it's possible, what a cost would look like to keep the pole in the same relative space, but move it 10 feet further in, for instance.

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Yeah, staying overhead is definitely going to be a lot cheaper than taking it underground.

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And by moving in at the current height, we run into the tree problem, the current tree

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problem.

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And that's why, you know, I said, you know, that could be an option that is cheaper, but

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that gets that utility, you know, closer to the city's, you know, public utility easement

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where you want it to be.

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And like I say, you know, it also, I've seen this in a few different areas where, you

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know, the power companies just went and, and we're not talking, we're not talking like

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a transmission structure like you see out on 40.

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We're talking distribution structures, you know,

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typically wood poles, but we could also go with

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like gailos steel options,

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which gives rid of a lot of down-guy wiring.

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But going a little bit higher and getting above

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that tree line with just the energized conductor,

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it lifts all those utilities.

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you know the telecom and everything up out of sight lines and it does clean it up it can

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also get it can also get rid of some poles you know because you can span further because you're

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you're a little bit taller so how tall Jason we'd have to like I say we we'd really have to take

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a look at that I I hadn't seen you know that plan but if Sid was going through it I just thought

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you know that could be an option that we could get you a number on as to what

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that would look like by just moving that overhead line and getting those

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conductors above the tree line. So it's currently what a 35 foot pole? Yeah

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they're 35 and 40. Five to 40 you said. Okay. And you had a gas are we talking? Are

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we talking 50? Yeah. I mean, if you'd said a gas how high, but what is it going? We'd

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trying to avoid the height of to be above. If I had to guess, I'd say that right now, if we

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rebuilt that line at 65 to 70 feet, we'd be in pretty good shape and, like I say, it's not

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really not that much higher and we're not talking great big structures either. We're talking,

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you know, wood poles like are there now and just rebuilt. I think it

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to clean it up a lot, quite honestly.

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So he just from, you know, electric utility, guys, perspective. So if you did that, realizing you haven't done the engineering, but would it be likely? Do you think on that block? We were just looking at Tony. Yeah, I just hold it for a second. So that next block down where there's three polls in the, there's one right at the edge of the block. There's one right down the middle of the block. There's one at the other edge of the block. If we moved up that high, would we likely go to two polls in that kind of a scenario? Or is it over time we might end up with less polls?

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because that one's got three, so to go fewer, it's only two, right?

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Yeah, it would be over the entire line, so like, I mean, if my opinion, like you'd look at your whole project,

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you know, the full length of it, and what would it take to move that overhead line,

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that entire project, I think we'd get rid of a few structures. That block, right, you know,

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maybe not. So what is the cost of the taller poles and the, you know, the redoing of all of that line

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compared to the undergrounding that we discussed before? Or what's the cost to of just keeping the

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same height and moving? Estimation, you don't have to. We're saying an idea of apples. Well, I think

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Riley gave you kind of the number to go underground on that section. And, you know, usually when we're

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doing overhead to underground analysis. It's 4 to 1. There you go. Perfect. What was the number?

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Just because Scott wasn't there and we roughly rightly, what was the number?

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And so triple that as what Russ says, which I agree.

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Sorry, double it for the trenching and the conduit, and then when you throw on top of it,

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all the individual services and things that have to be done to each home, it might be

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trip.

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I don't know, it might be.

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Is there a, that's where the overhead comes into that four to five to one, it's just so

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labor intensive.

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Where overhead is there right now, is it, I mean, hypothetical guess at a cost to take

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the existing pull and make it, you know, per pull, maybe take one pull out, make it significantly

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higher is that a couple hundred thousand dollars? What does it cost to make a

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significantly higher poll?

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Let's say we left it in the same spot. We're not moving it. Just make it. We're

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raising everything up.

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These are the rewiring. The wiring.

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If we left the wire the same. Even if you lifted it higher.

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Can I ask if the polls here in front of St. Lawrence or

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taller than the ones that are further down the block. They seem to look taller, St. Lawrence,

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Tony.

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Well, we're doing that. So if we, what we're saying, we're going to move it 10 feet to

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the west. Okay, we have trees that we're trying to preserve. Guess what we'll do to those trees,

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they're going to have to come and trim them and, you know, take them out because they can't be

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underneath. That's why I'd say we, we want to go above tree line, so we say if we, if we want to survey

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those trees and go above tree lines. So we're just topping them when we trim and not

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and not side cutting them and doing the stuff that we'd have to do right estimation.

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No, probably anywhere from 40 to potential of 60 feet. So we just have to get that survey out.

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Just looking at those trees, I'm guessing that somewhere in that 65 to 70 foot range would be

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able to clear them. Would you be okay with that with a tree under? I know other

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our, uh, power companies, that's pretty healthy for the tree.

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You know, if all we're doing is just, is just topping them and keeping them underneath.

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It's when we start side-cutting them and be cutting them and stuff like that, but really make the tree kind of ugly.

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Knowing you're not an arborist, theoretically, if we did move in the 10 feet and went up above the tree line,

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are we talking a lot? How much ground disturbance is that to move a pole?

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Is it is it basically a borehole for the pole a borehole? That's relatively minimal. Yeah, we'd probably we'd probably just

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Go through and bore the bore all that. I think that's all boreable or at least back truckable, so um, okay

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Is that pull it on center that you can see sticking up past the truck?

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To the north. Is that pull any taller than the rest of them? It's hard to get the angle

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it seems to be above tree line is what I'm saying okay do we know if those

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trees that we're trying to preserve are at their their top height or they

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go anything they are yeah you look very mature yes yeah in fact the one in

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front of the Bennett's the Juniper

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The father brought it down or grandfather brought it down and planted it years, years ago.

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Yeah, like I said, to do that, I think that you would want to, I think that you would want to,

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want to do the entire project and move that overhead line in the whole way.

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let us determine where we can I mean a lot of the ugly is the down guys so by

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going with like you know a gila steel pole kind of really cleans up that area

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from the overhead perspective as well but we can we can put an estimate together

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and come back and and discuss that further if the council wants to I think we

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have a plan right now if we everybody agrees upon what we discussed today and leaving them right

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now until it's needed and development comes in and you know it might make sense to go higher

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or underground. So me personally I think we have a plan. Yeah the reason I'm asking I mean obviously

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Scott hasn't seen this if I haven't seen it but if we look at the the new plans you had today

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said, you know, every, I don't know, it looks like three, three potential parking spots

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are impacted by those poles. And if they were to move inward to the property line and

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go higher, I'm just thinking through, that's a relatively low impact on a consumer. And

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we get the poles further away from a car. So we have, we're less likely to crash into a

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pole, we're less likely to have that, you know, I mean, even if we did nothing else, if

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if we didn't change anything else,

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we could move the poles in a little bit,

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go higher over the tree line without any real major impact,

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and give us a lot more either parking space

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or maybe space to shrink up that planner strip a little bit

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where we're trying to preserve where the pole is right now.

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The other question I had and I know the question was for Russ,

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and Russ, I appreciate your answer,

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but just asking the question in here is you know,

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we're talking a lot about not having

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the same kind of parking on that block because of how far the easement goes into those established yards,

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not in every case, but in some cases.

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One of the questions I've got is if we didn't need

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that side, so the west side sidewalk, and moved those poles, do we get back to an angled parking

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option, which it kind of seems like we might, but we'd have to know that. We'd have to leave

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parallel on that side. Well, I mean, the difference in asphalt between angled parking and parallel

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parking is 10 feet. The sidewalk that we had planned on one side was 6 feet. SIDS kind of

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proposal here is 5, but you can see 6 feet different than 10 feet. So I don't know if you get

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all the way there. We'd have to look at it and evaluate it. There would be some areas you

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probably would and some areas where you wouldn't. I do think that you're talking about an area that's

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going to be developed commercial and mixed use on the west side and I think that that sidewalk

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is important. Yeah, so it's important to preserve it. You know, for right now, I think a five-foot

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in my opinion is doable for a residential. If it becomes a commercial, yeah. Then we can expand

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and into the park strip with the existing poles next to the parallel parking.

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You're about five feet from top back of curb, so that is good enough for a car to swing a door without hitting it, so I feel comfortable with that.

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I need to be able to move around where they park, especially on a parallel.

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I'm good with that, so I've done this enough that I feel comfortable with that.

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you think about in a parking structure, your parking stalls are only at the most 10 feet.

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So you have over, you have 8 plus 5, so whatever that makes. So I feel comfortable with that.

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The other questions any other comments you two want to make? So do you want, council, do you

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even just want to look at the higher poll price just to be able to compare it and just see if you

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think it's feasible or reasonable for this design? Do you want to look at that?

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Yeah, maybe the reason I asked about that is just I'm thinking if we if we moved the poles

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and and said I appreciate you saying you know preserving that sidewalk but the sidewalk doesn't

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exist right now, right? If we if we thought about not needing a sidewalk and moved the poles a

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little bit we get back 10 feet really quickly, right? Without actually moving the road itself,

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without moving the asphalt very far.

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And that was the thought process there.

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If we move the poles a little bit,

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we don't need as big of a park strip

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as big as a landscape area

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to be able to hold those poles anymore.

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We would have a landscape area.

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If you notice here, Aaron,

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that I'm pointing just off of first,

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kind of in the middle block,

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by the way, we have angled parking.

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And I don't mean on both sides.

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I just mean on the,

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if we kept the one side, right?

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So if we went to parallel on still on the west side

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that kept the angled plan on the east side against the park,

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we wouldn't need the full change.

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We would go back to Russ presented with Horrox's plan.

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And Russ, I appreciate you listening.

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That was the one block I actually liked.

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So it's good to just think about the options here.

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It sounds like we could potentially achieve

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the same thing without having to bury the entire block,

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Which is not something I understood last time. So it's super helpful to have done the walk and to hear from your power because going higher wasn't even on my radar.

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No, not my neither. I know people love that view.

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What's that?

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Well, no, it's actually, it's a good, it's a good thing. I mean, as I look through the heights of those antennas,

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I realize that the higher they are, the less people see them actually, right? And to your point, if they, if the pole itself is higher and there's fewer poles,

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like the conduit or the lines are less visible at that point because they they're actually smaller and they're way higher.

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Like I was in Salt Lake today and there's a lockable district going up to the LDS Church is mall through an older part of Salt Lake there and you know that's what that's what they did.

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they just, it's not underground. It's, you know, they, they went in with some taller poles. Now,

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granted, the buildings are a lot taller there. So they're not even noticeable, but because it's in

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an alley, but, um, but yeah, it gets all that utility equipment out of the site line, for sure.

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Jason, what would it, I don't want to put a lot of work on you, but what would it take to do with

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just a preliminary gas? I mean, it's not a design. It's just, okay, this is a half million, or this is

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You know, for four blocks, I don't want to do one block. I'm going to move them. We're going to move four blocks. Yeah, we would do the we'll do it.

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We can do a down and dirty estimate of four blocks without engineering, you know, okay, just.

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That would be interesting to me. Yeah.

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Being by moving the poles back and up so that the trees stay.

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Yeah, it's just it's not something I was on my radar at all that we could potentially just, you know, change the road a lot without having to underground everything.

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because undergrounding's seeming more and more out of spec.

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It just seems to be, I wish we had CRA money to throw at it, but we don't, right?

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And I know that's one of the plans is making it easier for the commercial redevelopment.

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I think it might still make good sense for commercial redevelopment,

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but I just don't see that today with a 100 West design, which again, super grateful we had the

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field trip because it wasn't even on my radar at all. So I'm glad we talked through that.

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So, yeah, and just another comment, you know, if we expand it, we expand the asphalt.

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We expand hard-skate versus soft-skate, you know, if we keep this saying, again, we're

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providing for soft-skate places to store snow and stuff like that.

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If we expand it, then it's a little bit more tricky to, you know, maintain.

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I don't have any other questions.

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Anything else?

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Scott, do you have any other questions?

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That sounds good to me.

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I appreciate the work you guys did today.

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Thank you very much Jason and Riley.

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We appreciate your time and expertise.

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All right.

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We're going to go to our third agenda item, Russ for the work meeting,

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which is the Mill Road and 980 South intersection improvement options.

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Russ Funk has a presentation for us.

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Give me a minute here to pull up the agenda.

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Yeah, we have that here, Tony, and we both try to control or just

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Let's see. I don't know where you're at. Is it here? No, it's the end of the first row. There you go. I thought you were saying you already have the minutes.

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That's fine. I got it.

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Okay. Mayor and council, we've had several discussions about doing some improvements to the school crossing on Milrose.

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in 980 South. As you know, we've got two schools east of this intersection. This is a major road in the city, Mill Road. It's a major collector, a major transportation corridor. Yet we've got two schools east about a block and a half, two blocks from this area.

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One is in elementary school. One is a junior high school.

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The request has been given to look at options for safety improvements.

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I have kind of six options or combinations of options to go over with you here.

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I want to just talk through each of those for a minute with you.

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This first option, then we'll look at prices and then we'll kind of have a little bit more discussion, but this first picture here shows a couple things.

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One, it shows constructing bullbouts out into the right way to reduce the distance that pedestrians have to cross.

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That's one benefit.

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it. The other thing is you're creating for the traffic flow side friction when they

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see a visual reduction of the width there, it causes them to feel less comfortable with

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the speed that they're making and they naturally slow down. So the bullbouts there are a big

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part of what is included here. The other thing that you're seeing here is an overhead

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Hawk signal system. A Hawk system, there's a picture here for those that aren't

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familiar with that but basically it's a yellow flashing light system overhead

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system. It's the same thing that we just you not just installed down it. What

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is that? Eight fifty south or whatever it is on the south end of town. This is at an

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intersection and when it's at an intersection you can't do the red flashing lights

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And the reason for that is because it's confusing to traffic in both directions when it's a red stoplight.

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When it's red here, these people think they can go, it's confusing.

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And so, the guidance is you can do that mid-block when there's one direction of traffic.

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But when you're at an intersection, you just have flashing yellow lights.

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So, we've got one right here also at 200 north on Main Street.

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That's what that looks like.

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Would the crossing guard activate those flashing yellow lights on the hawk system or would they just stay on the whole time during the school crossing?

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That is the recommendation and that's one of the things that I was researching.

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You can actually, when there's two options, my preference is that the reduced speed zone flashing lights would come on.

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They would be flashing and then the crossing guard or whoever would activate the flashing lights for the crossing the other option is that you can actually only rely on the reduced speed zone

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Flashers and you would actually wire it so that the other crossing thing is

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Inactive when you go through. I think it would be better if the crossing guards activate it. You utilize both systems there

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So you're taking out the crosswalk on the north side of the intersection, but then allowing the one on the east side of the intersection which I really like and think is needed.

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And then is that accurate in this proposal?

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Yeah, that is. And by the way, I mean, that's something that we, let me back up a little bit right now.

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so the requirement is to provide a safe school route. It's not a requirement to provide the most

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convenient or the most easiest to take school route because the elementary school is on the north

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side of 980 south and the elementary is on the south side. The request was made a couple years ago

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to put crosswalks on both sides and we can continue to do that with a recommendation from any traffic

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engineer is that you keep one crossing across that busy road. So that is the

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recommendation but you need to recognize that what that will do is force junior

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high students to cross both directions and then back they could either cross back

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here or down there. So it's the recommendation it's not a hundred percent

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mandated but it is the recommendation from every traffic expert out there to

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I'm fine with that, but the safety is more important than them trying to go any way they

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want to here.

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Yeah, there are some efficiency issues.

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I mean, obviously, if you cross them south and then bring them back and cross them north,

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you've got traffic backed up while you're holding them off.

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So there is some efficiency issues on the minor roadway, but it's the recommendation for the safest way to do it.

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So just kind of walk me through it one more time because this you don't have to do this again for the ends, okay?

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Would we need a crossing guard to take them on the east side south and

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then another one to take them across and then another one to take them back to the north?

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The way that they're operating the way they're operating it right now is with two crossing guards.

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The crossing guard, can you guys see my hand up there?

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how are you? Okay. So the way they're operating it right now is kids kind of pile up at this corner.

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This crossing guard comes out into the middle to stop traffic while those kids cross this way. At

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that same time, this crossing guard often comes out and stops traffic here. So you're doing these two

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locations and then after they're to that point, you're doing these two locations. So it wouldn't take

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three, it would continue to take two. This option, by the way, is the Cadillac option.

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This is the most expensive option of the three. So that's option one. I'm going to go to

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option two. By the way, this again, this is overhead flashing signals. The next option is the same

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with everything with the exception of instead of overhead signals, we have what's called an overhead

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RRFB. RRFB is a, just because you're asking right now, I'm going to forget the

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acumen, but something rapid flashing beacons, RRFB, and what they are, we have RRFBs at Colt

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east, no road, on center street, there are the buttons you put, or rectangular, sorry,

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rectangular rapid flashing beacons is what that acronym stands for. And instead of the yellow

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dome lights at the top that flash, it's kind of LED rectangular, smaller lights.

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So, it basically operates the same, you have an overhead bar, but it doesn't require

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the same controller that a Hawk does and so it's less expensive than a Hawk

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system. Would the lights stay on the whole time that the crossing guards are

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there? No. So you'd have the reduced speed zone flashing lights before and

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after the speed zone that would flash the whole time during that 45 minutes

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before 15 minutes after school time and then the flashing rectangular lights

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would activate only when the button is pushed and the crossing guard but so

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that it can work two ways. One, while there's a crossing guard there, they can

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push it and they can guide kids across and also when the school zone isn't

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active and we don't have crossing guards there, obviously you can push the

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button that you can get the flashing lights. So that's that option. Everything's the

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same you've got the bulb outs it's just a different system less I guess

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complicated you don't need the the whole control box that you do for a regular

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signal. The next one is bulb outs with a standard RRFB. This is a picture of

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that basically this is what that RRFB looks like this is what we have at

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Mill Road it's just instead of overhead it's on each side of the road at the

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crosswalk. So it points down at the crosswalk. It has the rectangular rapid flashing beacons

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right here. It's just not overhead. Everything else is the same. Yes. We went to this. Could they

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move out into the bulb out? So they're more closer to the lane of traffic? That is a great question, Mike.

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I don't know that that's not allowed, but the idea is to point right there at the crosswalk

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to let people know, hey, there's a crosswalk right here. So we could check that.

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White flashing, but with the light flashing.

414
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:49,960
I think I just realized on the other ones that the polls were out into the bullbouts.

415
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:55,580
And so if this was in the bullbout, it's closer, it's more visible than the current situation.

416
00:39:55,580 --> 00:40:00,380
situation. Would there be any site concern, you know, turning stuff like that?

417
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:07,120
Those are those are things we'd have to have to verify. But so that's instead of

418
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,680
overhead, basically it's at the side, pulling down at the crosswalk ground

419
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:16,840
level instead. The other three options are no bullbouts and then basically the

420
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:26,880
same options. So, hawk overhead signal, overhead RRFB without doing the

421
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:33,420
bullbouts and the standard RRFB without the bullbouts. You'll notice right here,

422
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:38,220
I mean, so this, this is an option. We can do it on both sides. They've got it in

423
00:40:38,220 --> 00:40:42,240
this option. They've got one shown on both sides and keeping the crosswalk on the

424
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:45,900
one side. If that was something we were going to do and we can do it really with any

425
00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:53,440
option. It's just not recommended. I would recommend and talk to our crossing guards about

426
00:40:54,180 --> 00:41:02,040
making sure that they cone off the route that's not being used. So when the elementary school is

427
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:08,640
using the the south route that they literally cone this off to not allow it so that they're only

428
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:14,580
working with this one and then when the middle school is going they would cone off this one and force

429
00:41:14,580 --> 00:41:23,500
them up the ham so. So that's an idea. I do the crossing guards now use all four crossings

430
00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:29,560
or just three. Yes. They use all four. They do. It is very confusing. Oh, it depends on which

431
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:34,840
school. I'm dropping off the TMS in the morning. It's it's the one that's on our right hand side,

432
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,840
so it's the north side because they're different times. That's right. One that's on the side of the

433
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:45,780
road of that school. The challenge, of course, is getting the middle schoolers to be willing

434
00:41:45,780 --> 00:41:52,440
to cross, cross south, cross no road, and then cross north again. And so that's why they've

435
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,020
just said when the elementary school, we're going to use the south one when it's the middle

436
00:41:57,020 --> 00:41:58,320
school, we're going to do the north one.

437
00:42:00,780 --> 00:42:05,980
The issue comes when you try to put in those overhead

438
00:42:05,980 --> 00:42:12,840
signals and that is that those overhead signals are supposed to go at the crosswalk and when you have

439
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:17,540
two, you're not necessarily at the crosswalk. That's really the recommendation. Those are if

440
00:42:17,540 --> 00:42:21,940
bees I think you could do bolts and you would put one in at each one. Cost estimate, I'm just

441
00:42:21,940 --> 00:42:25,480
I'm going to run over this real quick and then I'm going to talk more about kind of recommendation

442
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:33,260
here. But option one, this is the the first one I started with the Cadillac system. It is the overhead

443
00:42:33,260 --> 00:42:39,360
Hock system and bullbouts, the estimate is $346,000.

444
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,420
Option two, you can see the significant drop.

445
00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:46,860
This has the bullbout and the overhead RRFB.

446
00:42:47,380 --> 00:42:50,920
You can look and see the significant difference in costs between a Hock system,

447
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,840
which is overhead and an overhead RRFB.

448
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,080
There's a significant difference there.

449
00:42:58,300 --> 00:43:00,380
Option three would be the bullbout

450
00:43:00,860 --> 00:43:09,700
and the ground level RRFBs and then you jump up to options 4, 5, and 6 and those are just no

451
00:43:09,700 --> 00:43:17,100
bulb out those same options. So that kind of gives you hierarchy of the cost and the range.

452
00:43:17,940 --> 00:43:24,180
Now, do we have any, since you just got to the cost, do we have any kind of school zone improvement,

453
00:43:24,820 --> 00:43:29,740
state school, any kind of grant or anything to help with any of the costs specifically to target

454
00:43:29,740 --> 00:43:33,780
school or are we already meeting the standard and therefore no. Well they're

455
00:43:33,780 --> 00:43:40,100
grant there are grant opportunities there for example we have just been

456
00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:45,700
awarded a safe school route grant on 300 west to put a sidewalk in that's been

457
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:50,360
five years in the making to get that money by the way the city was awarded a

458
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:55,860
significant amount we were given a grant of the total project cost is about 1.6 to

459
00:43:55,860 --> 00:44:05,600
$1.7 million and the city's obligation that is 6.77% and so there are significant grants available to us.

460
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,940
That's really a topic for a long time.

461
00:44:08,980 --> 00:44:13,300
A topic for another time but there are those but we would be several years out on doing that.

462
00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:22,420
Okay, what what I wanted to talk about now for a minute is

463
00:44:25,940 --> 00:44:30,040
pull up Google Earth here and look at that intersection on Google Earth.

464
00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:36,580
Mill roads at 35 mile an hour, right?

465
00:44:36,980 --> 00:44:38,700
Mill road is currently 35 miles an hour.

466
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:45,360
Our standard in the city is that collector roads design speed is 35 miles per hour.

467
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:52,820
One of the challenges that we face is that on a new road where we don't allow properties

468
00:44:52,820 --> 00:44:58,760
to front on a collector road, you allow multi-family entrances, you can allow commercial

469
00:44:58,760 --> 00:44:59,900
flintrances, things like that.

470
00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:06,440
In some instances, well, you're really their multi-family, but you don't allow residential access

471
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:13,300
on a collector road. But the way that Heber City was laid out, we're turning old roads

472
00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:18,140
into collector roads. That's just how it works with an old city. And so we ultimately

473
00:45:18,140 --> 00:45:26,700
end up having lots of properties front these collector roads. And so I can see that because

474
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:31,580
As of those fronting properties, we may want to look at reducing the speed on collector

475
00:45:31,580 --> 00:45:37,460
roads where there's a lot of residential fronting properties, but in general, 35 is good.

476
00:45:37,980 --> 00:45:43,200
That being said, I would support a 30 mile per hour speed on that.

477
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:48,700
I don't think we should drop it down to 25, but I also think that we should increase the

478
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:51,460
speed limit on center street to 30 miles an hour.

479
00:45:51,460 --> 00:45:59,300
politically, is that going to go over well? Never. But one of the reasons, one of the

480
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:03,940
reasons I would, I want to bring that up is just so you understand, you know, you make

481
00:46:03,940 --> 00:46:07,640
decisions. People ask for things like, oh, that's put a four-way stop and well, you know

482
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,400
how I feel about that, I think it's less safe. But it is very hard to change back from a

483
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:17,560
wrong decision on any of these kind of traffic. It's, it's a very, very difficult, sorry,

484
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,160
I'm losing my, can you put in heaver there, Tony?

485
00:46:23,500 --> 00:46:27,320
If, with any of those things you gave us, though, you're not concerned about the flow

486
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,300
of that constriction long-term in non-school hours.

487
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:39,980
Like, it's not an appreciable difference to the flow in the intent of those streets.

488
00:46:40,380 --> 00:46:41,900
No, I think it's good.

489
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,180
I think it's good for people, but what we're trying to accomplish here is,

490
00:46:46,180 --> 00:46:51,260
we're trying to make it so that when people are approaching that intersection they are recognizing

491
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,860
that oh there's something here I need to pay attention to. And so that is why

492
00:46:56,660 --> 00:47:03,440
right in discussion we had on first class. It is. Exactly same discussion. So I want to tell you

493
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:12,300
what I'm seeing out here. And the reason I want to tell you this is because my opinion is that of all

494
00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:17,020
of those things, of all of those options that we talked about, the most important thing we can do

495
00:47:17,020 --> 00:47:22,780
is those bullbouts. I strongly feel like the most important thing we do there is those bullbouts.

496
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:30,760
And this is why what I have seen happen out there on several occasions is that kids are piling up

497
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:36,460
at this intersection, right? They're coming down here, they're coming down here. This crossing guard

498
00:47:36,460 --> 00:47:46,440
comes out stops traffic so that they can cross here. A car at this location isn't clear

499
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:52,480
whether they're supposed to stop because she's on this side road or whether they can go.

500
00:47:53,540 --> 00:47:56,980
Right now they're doing a better job. I think they've corrected this. This guy is coming

501
00:47:56,980 --> 00:48:01,020
out better to make it clear that they're supposed to stop. But what I've seen in the past is

502
00:48:01,020 --> 00:48:06,120
those kids start coming. This car is not sure if they can stop or go and all the sudden

503
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:13,700
these kids, I'll cut that corner and that's where those say that's where those close calls have come

504
00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:18,360
and so I think they're doing a better job now just so you know of making sure the kids stop here

505
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:24,760
and then cross them the other way but because of that I think those bullbouts are really important.

506
00:48:25,140 --> 00:48:30,540
The other thing I've got a lot sorry and we can we can pause and come back to this if we need to

507
00:48:30,540 --> 00:48:37,640
But the other thing, we've got bike lanes on both sides of Mill Road.

508
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:42,540
These bullbouts, they will cause problems with those bike lanes.

509
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:48,420
My recommendation is that we dash that bike lane and we cause those bikers to merge with

510
00:48:48,420 --> 00:48:50,100
traffic to come across there.

511
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:56,540
There was ideas about, well, do we cut like through lanes for those bike lanes closer through

512
00:48:56,540 --> 00:49:01,520
these bullbouts or something. And my worry with that is that kids are going to take those shortcuts

513
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:06,660
and skip the corner. And I don't think it's worth it. I think that the bullbouts are important

514
00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:10,580
and I think that we need to, even though it may be political or people,

515
00:49:10,940 --> 00:49:15,560
bikers may be upset. I think the safest thing for the crossing is to put those bullbouts in

516
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:20,080
and have those bike lanes merge with the traffic until they get through the intersection and then

517
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:25,000
and then go back there. But the reason I'm as a cyclist, they're going to merge into a slower zone

518
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,800
anyway because we're causing it to be slower anyway. Yeah, and again, I can't always control

519
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,860
people in the decisions they make, but what you're trying to do is control the parameters, make it

520
00:49:33,860 --> 00:49:41,860
feel or constrained. But my recommendation, top recommendation is that we do the bull outs. I think

521
00:49:41,860 --> 00:49:48,200
that is the most important thing. From there, if you look at costs, and I've kind of, I've kind of

522
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:54,480
wavered a little bit back and forth. But I think where I've settled here is that we do need

523
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:59,700
flashers. We need flashers for a couple reasons. We need flashers just to kind of help with the

524
00:50:00,290 --> 00:50:05,400
with the feeling of pay attention, something's going on here, but we also need flashers

525
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:12,300
available outside of school hours. And so if you look at the cost difference between RRFBs

526
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:18,220
and the overhead, it's not that much. And so I think it's worth spending that extra money

527
00:50:18,220 --> 00:50:22,220
to go overhead. Do you think about when you're approaching this intersection, if you've got a

528
00:50:22,220 --> 00:50:26,240
Horizontal pull-out and something overhead you're gonna start thinking wait a minute

529
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:32,020
I got to pay attention to what's going on here the only the only added benefit I see I'm doing the

530
00:50:32,020 --> 00:50:37,340
The full signal is that those signal poles also have

531
00:50:37,340 --> 00:50:44,520
Lights directed at the cross traffic, but I don't think that that's as critical as it is on Milrode

532
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,620
And I think the cost difference there is too significant to get any advantage out of that

533
00:50:48,620 --> 00:50:54,840
So the cross traffic can see the yellow flashing lights going east and west as well as north and south correct

534
00:50:55,980 --> 00:51:02,420
So that's that's really to me the the one benefit of going that route. I mean it is it is the most robust system

535
00:51:02,420 --> 00:51:06,780
But is that one benefit where it stopped controlled anyway? Is that one benefit?

536
00:51:07,580 --> 00:51:11,860
Worth that extra $200,000. I don't know that it is

537
00:51:11,860 --> 00:51:16,080
So if I was going to give you a recommendation that's what it would be would be option two

538
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:21,560
but from there, I just want to answer questions and get your thoughts.

539
00:51:22,060 --> 00:51:27,560
So, if we do option two, could you in the future, let's say if it's needed upgrade?

540
00:51:28,020 --> 00:51:32,520
Could you already have the overhead polls, right? Could you upgrade it to the option one?

541
00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:39,540
I think you potentially could. The polls may be a little different. I don't really think I was significantly different.

542
00:51:39,540 --> 00:51:40,160
I see.

543
00:51:40,460 --> 00:51:46,580
I really think the extra cost is in the materials both for the cabinet, the controller,

544
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:53,200
and the standard signal heads and stuff cost more than just those RRFEs, too.

545
00:51:53,620 --> 00:51:55,480
And you think about the neighborhood that it's serving.

546
00:51:55,740 --> 00:51:56,560
It's pretty dense.

547
00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:59,920
There's a lot of, you know, kids, younger kids, and in there.

548
00:52:00,180 --> 00:52:09,460
So again, it could be, I'm kind of with you, Russ, maybe option two seems like it's definitely

549
00:52:09,460 --> 00:52:16,180
boldouts, 100% I agree with that, but the covert head whatever you want to call it could work

550
00:52:16,820 --> 00:52:22,740
from a safety standpoint. If they can press it, you know, off hours, that kind of

551
00:52:23,940 --> 00:52:30,160
spoke to me. So, the construction timeline on the boldouts, such that we'd want to be off school

552
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,500
year, you know, ended back into summer again, or is that something that could be done?

553
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:46,860
So we would we would have figured out I think that we could do one side and then the other, you know, keep the north side open and force all the kids that way, do the construction work on the south and then switch or something. We could we could figure it out.

554
00:52:47,180 --> 00:52:56,080
That's always it's always easier to do things off season, but I think that's what you do.

555
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:03,780
All right. If we do it that's soon break can we design it? We need to get a design. No spring break winter break

556
00:53:03,780 --> 00:53:09,980
What I what I can tell you is that if the council gives direction we will expedite a

557
00:53:09,980 --> 00:53:15,160
Design and get it ready to bid out as soon as we can and get it implemented as soon as we can

558
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:16,960
I

559
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:22,120
Have no idea as far as availability of polls and supplies generally you dot has a

560
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,240
They all have their standard polls and things.

561
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:28,080
They have a supply of that you can get access to.

562
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:30,620
It may just be contractor availability

563
00:53:30,620 --> 00:53:32,040
and time of year.

564
00:53:32,260 --> 00:53:38,180
UDOT has most of the contractors that do this kind of stuff

565
00:53:38,180 --> 00:53:42,380
on contract and they have a backlog of work already,

566
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,560
but I think we would just do our best,

567
00:53:44,740 --> 00:53:46,340
if that's the direction of the council.

568
00:53:46,540 --> 00:53:50,540
We would get it designed and bid it out as quick as we can

569
00:53:50,540 --> 00:53:51,160
and get it implemented.

570
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,220
and I don't think we would try to hold off or put it off.

571
00:53:53,580 --> 00:53:56,100
None of the grants that you know of

572
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:58,820
are such that we could spend upfront

573
00:53:58,820 --> 00:54:01,660
and get some kind of recouping the funds, right?

574
00:54:01,740 --> 00:54:03,060
They're all pre-construction.

575
00:54:03,540 --> 00:54:03,640
Yeah.

576
00:54:04,220 --> 00:54:08,220
Is it possible to ask our police department

577
00:54:08,220 --> 00:54:10,080
what they think of any of these designs

578
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,020
or did you already check with them?

579
00:54:12,980 --> 00:54:14,780
You're of course welcome to talk to them.

580
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,340
I, there are certain police officers

581
00:54:17,340 --> 00:54:18,340
that are involved with this

582
00:54:18,340 --> 00:54:20,180
and there are certain police officers that aren't.

583
00:54:20,180 --> 00:54:24,920
I wouldn't like to put the tenant Rigby on the spot.

584
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:32,640
I think the person to put on the spot would be Josh Weissher, but you're certainly welcome

585
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,320
to reach out or invite him back or whatever it is that you want to do.

586
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:44,360
Or if the tenant Rigby wants to open his mouth, he's welcome to, but I'd like to.

587
00:54:46,140 --> 00:54:48,000
Would you use the microphone please?

588
00:54:48,000 --> 00:55:02,890
But for the most part what I've noticed that that crosswalk on the east side that he's already got blocked out my recommendation would be to definitely not include that one.

589
00:55:03,310 --> 00:55:15,610
A lot of that traffic that comes from the school because of the fence line there on that north end everybody seeps out into the intersection that crosswalk gets covered with cars.

590
00:55:15,610 --> 00:55:22,010
And so if you're going to try and have kids trying to cross through there, you're going to be out in front of vehicles out in the intersection.

591
00:55:24,130 --> 00:55:29,510
So I'm with Russ on that one, not doing that crosswalk on the east side.

592
00:55:29,830 --> 00:55:30,850
So it's a north side.

593
00:55:32,850 --> 00:55:33,330
North.

594
00:55:34,430 --> 00:55:35,650
Yeah, that's the north.

595
00:55:35,890 --> 00:55:39,870
So this is this is the west side south side.

596
00:55:39,870 --> 00:56:09,850
Um, yeah, so I'm saying on the, did you mean, did you mean the east side on the actual east side, though, um, because again, yeah, there's that fence line right there at that house, and those trees and people continue to go out in the intersection because they can't see beyond that to get around the corner, so they're always crossing or covering that crosswalk to begin with, it would need to be, it would need to be during school hours manned by a crossing guard to try to stop the

597
00:56:09,850 --> 00:56:13,390
can keep them back while the kids cross, and then it's okay if they creep up, right?

598
00:56:13,850 --> 00:56:20,850
Russ, you're proposing to move that crosswalk on the east side to make it further back from that fence viewpoint, right?

599
00:56:21,050 --> 00:56:24,390
Yeah, but that, well, that's how this is drawn, but we can, we can correct that in the design.

600
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:26,410
Well, I didn't know. I'm just trying to ask.

601
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:35,630
Yeah, the idea, the idea is instead of having corner ramps, the new direction from ProWag and the, and the ADA people is

602
00:56:35,630 --> 00:56:37,590
The important ramps aren't good.

603
00:56:37,830 --> 00:56:39,030
You want them to be directional.

604
00:56:39,450 --> 00:56:40,490
And so that's all we're trying to do.

605
00:56:40,570 --> 00:56:41,870
But I still think we can be directional

606
00:56:41,870 --> 00:56:43,810
and shift that further to where we could have

607
00:56:43,810 --> 00:56:45,070
more site visibility there.

608
00:56:45,730 --> 00:56:48,450
Will you get the benefit of the full narrowing too

609
00:56:48,450 --> 00:56:48,950
with the bulb?

610
00:56:49,250 --> 00:56:51,290
Yeah, I'm not, and if you look,

611
00:56:51,470 --> 00:56:55,050
I'm not narrowing old mill drive or 980 south

612
00:56:55,050 --> 00:56:57,550
because we do need all three lanes there,

613
00:56:59,190 --> 00:57:02,970
only narrowing mill road to keep the ability for three lanes.

614
00:57:02,970 --> 00:57:07,050
but so we wouldn't be bolting out further into Old Mill Drive.

615
00:57:07,590 --> 00:57:13,550
That's why I think it makes sense to have Russ talk to Officer Weissher and come back and

616
00:57:14,090 --> 00:57:17,170
tell us what thoughts are there. He's just got a lot of experience with seeing that

617
00:57:17,630 --> 00:57:21,410
or even the school or officers, you know, the folks that have been at the schools.

618
00:57:22,770 --> 00:57:26,990
Many days I see them out helping even then they're not assigned to that.

619
00:57:27,470 --> 00:57:32,690
Yeah, they try to have somebody here because of the complaints and just so you know

620
00:57:32,690 --> 00:57:38,630
we have spoken a lot. We've spoken about the concerns that I've seen out there and that's why

621
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:43,770
they've tried to address some of those concerns. So I don't think this is new. If you want us to talk

622
00:57:43,770 --> 00:57:53,550
to them, we can. I think basically the input that would be important from them is, is it important

623
00:57:53,550 --> 00:57:57,830
to keep that north one? We're not going to be able to get rid of any of the other ones.

624
00:57:58,610 --> 00:58:02,390
But is it important to keep the north one and how do we work that out with the ultimate solution?

625
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:05,490
I really do think we should get rid of one but I don't think it's going to change.

626
00:58:05,930 --> 00:58:10,690
I think certainly welcome to do that it's just going to slow down the process a little bit.

627
00:58:11,350 --> 00:58:15,490
So I would like to know what the crossing guards think about the north since they use it now

628
00:58:15,890 --> 00:58:20,090
and maybe they would give us something to change, you know, our mind.

629
00:58:20,510 --> 00:58:25,830
I would agree. Let's let the crossing guards check it out if you don't mind.

630
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:29,090
We're going to get some practical insight there.

631
00:58:30,530 --> 00:58:36,950
The question is, is that going to change the overall design and direction, or is that

632
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:39,290
just going to add in that one?

633
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:47,590
You may be, I mean, if the recommendation was an overhead RRFB and the recommendation

634
00:58:47,590 --> 00:58:53,590
was bullbouts, whether or not we paint that other crosswalk and keep it is a very minor detail

635
00:58:54,010 --> 00:58:54,690
of the design.

636
00:58:55,170 --> 00:58:57,030
Can you clarify one question for me?

637
00:58:57,170 --> 00:58:59,070
I think it's the answer to what you just asked.

638
00:59:00,010 --> 00:59:03,010
As someone that takes this twice a day sometimes,

639
00:59:05,940 --> 00:59:07,440
I realize that people speed through it.

640
00:59:07,540 --> 00:59:09,480
I think that's the part of the intersection that's broken.

641
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,900
Largely, I think at least my experience has been that when it's TMS time and they're blocking

642
00:59:13,900 --> 00:59:16,320
the north one, it seems to work pretty well.

643
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:20,900
And the reason I think that that is nice is because then the traffic can still turn left and

644
00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:23,740
go down to 1200 and get out of the road, right?

645
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:24,740
We don't back up as much.

646
00:59:24,740 --> 00:59:30,860
When it's elementary school time and they're using the south one, that seems to work pretty well because the traffic can turn right out of there

647
00:59:30,860 --> 00:59:35,800
Yeah, is there a reason you wouldn't do the north and the south and the west and get rid of the east?

648
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:44,320
Yeah, because I never thought it crossing on the east side makes any sense. Yeah, the reason the reason the reason again is

649
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,160
I'm sorry. I misunderstood. It's okay

650
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,800
The recommendation that I'm giving is the overhead RRFB

651
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:59,540
Whenever you have an overhead crossing signal, you want that overhead crossing signal or whatever it is to be at the crosswalk.

652
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:26,380
So the only reason, the only concern about not or about keeping that crosswalk on the north side is that now you're operating a crosswalk where the flashers are 75 feet away on the other side. Why not, though, and I appreciate that. Thank you. I didn't understand that. Why not put it on the north side and an overhead crosswalk. So just get rid of the east ones and move that east one to the north.

653
01:00:26,380 --> 01:00:31,640
end up with West, South, and North, and they do what they do now, which is split either

654
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,180
on the North side or the South side depending on which school is going.

655
01:00:34,540 --> 01:00:34,820
Oh yeah.

656
01:00:35,020 --> 01:00:43,360
The only reason is because you do have students that are already on this side and they come

657
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:48,540
down, they're going to elementary, where you have students that are coming up this side

658
01:00:48,540 --> 01:00:53,200
of the road and they're not going to deal with these two crossings on Mill Road, but this

659
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:57,940
is a junior high student and he needs to get to the north side. So you need to provide a crosswalk

660
01:00:57,940 --> 01:01:02,840
there for the. I think it would be valuable to interview the cross crossing guards there.

661
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:08,460
And how can they live it and breathe it every day? I am so happy to do it. I just don't think it's

662
01:01:08,460 --> 01:01:16,360
going to change the overall direction that the council wants to go because if I change and put a

663
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:24,740
ramp and striping right here, fine, that's an easy design change to make in the

664
01:01:24,740 --> 01:01:28,100
middle of design. So if you give us direction, this is the general direction we

665
01:01:28,100 --> 01:01:31,120
want to go and we include those in the design meetings with our engineer, that's

666
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:35,360
great. If you want to get that feedback before we move forward, that's also fine.

667
01:01:35,900 --> 01:01:39,980
Recognize that's going to be just another two-week delay to get it done and

668
01:01:39,980 --> 01:01:44,240
start it. So if we on the north side, if we provide striping, we're gonna have to

669
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:50,580
provide handicap access no matter what yeah but which which isn't a big it's not a big cost it's a

670
01:01:50,580 --> 01:01:56,040
$1,500 ramp cost you're already doing a bull about it's not a big it's not a big deal.

671
01:01:56,820 --> 01:02:02,400
Okay so we'll bring this back council in the action items and we'll give rest direction on that good

672
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:09,040
discussion okay we're going to end our work meeting and council we can continue right now into the

673
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,000
regular meetings since we had our filter up or do you want to take a break?

674
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:15,460
Let's keep on going.

675
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:16,460
Let's keep on going.

676
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:16,920
All right.

677
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:17,400
Excellent.

678
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,220
Everyone, welcome to our regular meeting of the Heber City Council.

679
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,300
Today is September 16th, 2025.

680
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,920
It is now 6.11 p.m. and welcome to all of you.

681
01:02:29,100 --> 01:02:32,180
I want to welcome the council members that are here in attendance.

682
01:02:32,340 --> 01:02:37,680
We have Sid Ostergard, Aaron Sheetwood, myself Heidi Franco, and Mike Johnston.

683
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,340
We also have Scott Phillips remote online.

684
01:02:41,740 --> 01:02:43,440
Yvonne Barney is excused.

685
01:02:43,620 --> 01:02:46,000
Okay, we're going to start with a pledge of allegiance.

686
01:02:46,260 --> 01:02:48,520
Yvonne is not here, so I will do it for her.

687
01:02:49,020 --> 01:02:53,300
And then after the pledge, Citadel Stregard is assigned to give a prayer.

688
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,460
But if or a thought, but if any of you want to come forward to give a prayer,

689
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,180
a thought you're welcome to and we'll take it from there.

690
01:03:00,460 --> 01:03:01,260
Would you please rise?

691
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:27,600
So if there's anybody that wants to come up and do a prayer or a thought, please do.

692
01:03:32,290 --> 01:03:32,550
All right.

693
01:03:33,450 --> 01:03:40,090
If not, there's some tragic things that happened to our country this past week.

694
01:03:40,090 --> 01:03:50,970
and I won't go on and talk about a lot of it, but hopefully what has happened will bring

695
01:03:50,970 --> 01:03:57,510
us a little bit closer together. It kind of affected us here in the Heber Valley. It was just

696
01:03:57,510 --> 01:04:09,570
down at UVU, which was very surprising and very touching, or not touching, but very concerning

697
01:04:09,570 --> 01:04:15,870
that things like that can happen. So hopefully we can use that to, you know,

698
01:04:16,070 --> 01:04:20,810
rally the troops and come together as a community. There's other things that

699
01:04:20,810 --> 01:04:27,470
are happening. It is the season for the elections. So I want to reach out to

700
01:04:27,470 --> 01:04:32,870
every Heber citizen and do your homework, especially on the candidates. We have

701
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:38,250
really solid candidates that are running for great positions. And it's very

702
01:04:38,250 --> 01:04:42,990
important that you do your homework and understand where they stand and where they would

703
01:04:42,990 --> 01:04:50,930
be if they become mayor or a council member, where they stand when it comes to Heber City.

704
01:04:51,470 --> 01:04:56,650
So I would recommend do your homework, make sure you understand where they stand and if

705
01:04:56,650 --> 01:04:58,450
that's what you believe in, oh for them.

706
01:04:59,230 --> 01:04:59,310
Okay.

707
01:04:59,650 --> 01:05:00,230
That's all I have, Mayor.

708
01:05:00,610 --> 01:05:01,150
Thank you, Sid.

709
01:05:01,730 --> 01:05:06,390
All right, our next part of the meeting are the awards and we have several tonight which

710
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:10,930
which is very, it's wonderful to honor our excellent employees.

711
01:05:11,610 --> 01:05:15,450
So our first award, Alicia Therborn, would you like to come forward?

712
01:05:16,250 --> 01:05:20,430
She is going to recognize Trina Cook, our city recorder for

713
01:05:20,430 --> 01:05:24,670
achievement of the Master Municipal Clerk designation.

714
01:05:30,750 --> 01:05:36,290
Council Mayor, for those of you that don't know, my name is Alicia Therborn,

715
01:05:36,730 --> 01:05:38,850
and I am the city recorder for hideout.

716
01:05:38,850 --> 01:05:44,830
I also represent the UMCA Board on the Secretary on the UMCA Board.

717
01:05:45,550 --> 01:05:47,050
The Cinda Thomas is online.

718
01:05:47,250 --> 01:05:51,510
She wanted to be here really badly, but she unfortunately didn't make it in time.

719
01:05:52,030 --> 01:05:54,830
And she is the Education Director.

720
01:05:56,190 --> 01:05:59,570
We do want to thank you for this opportunity to recognize Trina.

721
01:06:01,430 --> 01:06:06,050
As the UMCA Membership, sorry, it stands for Utah Municipal Clerks Association.

722
01:06:06,050 --> 01:06:35,630
We have a partnership with the International Institute of Municipal Clerks and we have these wonderful programs that provide our members with educational and networking support and we promote positive, professional interaction with elected officials, the staff and the general public and the program enhances the awareness and the value of the municipal clerk and recorders position.

723
01:06:35,630 --> 01:06:40,210
The International Organization offers two certification programs.

724
01:06:40,650 --> 01:06:44,730
These programs are administered locally here in Utah by the Municipal Clerks Association.

725
01:06:45,550 --> 01:06:51,470
And we've developed an amazing partnership with Southern Utah University to provide the educational opportunities for these programs.

726
01:06:52,370 --> 01:07:09,750
Trina has completed the Certified Municipal Clerk Designation, and to obtain this, and I'm going to do this too, because she can let me do this one for her, so I'm doing both of them tonight, to obtain the Certified Municipal Clerk Designation.

727
01:07:09,870 --> 01:07:14,870
She has to actively be working in a municipality, performing the duties of a clerk or recorder.

728
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:24,330
She has to complete university level coursework, earning a minimum of 60 educational points and 50 points related to work experience.

729
01:07:25,130 --> 01:07:32,070
One point is received for every two hours of class time, so 60 points reflects 120 hours of class time, obviously.

730
01:07:32,950 --> 01:07:43,750
Now, Trina has fulfilled the requirements to obtain the master municipal clerk designation, which is an advanced continuing education program that prepares clerks and recorders

731
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:46,310
to perform more complex municipal duties.

732
01:07:46,990 --> 01:07:50,290
This program has an extensive and rigorous educational component

733
01:07:50,290 --> 01:07:52,790
of 60 advanced educational points

734
01:07:52,790 --> 01:07:54,190
of university level training,

735
01:07:55,150 --> 01:07:57,510
which require 120 hours of class time.

736
01:07:58,350 --> 01:08:01,070
Additionally, a social contribution of 40 points

737
01:08:01,070 --> 01:08:02,710
is required for that one.

738
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:06,170
So as you can imagine, it does take many years

739
01:08:06,170 --> 01:08:07,710
to attain these certifications.

740
01:08:08,130 --> 01:08:12,730
We are very fortunate that Matt, city manager

741
01:08:12,730 --> 01:08:27,650
and the City Council, Mayor, we recognize you helping to recognize the improvement of the employee skills and knowledge through continuing education and professional development opportunities.

742
01:08:28,010 --> 01:08:39,950
We do salute you and he were city for your forward thinking and just on a personal note, I would not be where I am today at the work.

743
01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:49,170
She's been such a mentor to me, I have reached out to her more times than I can count.

744
01:08:49,730 --> 01:08:55,310
And she has always made time for me, never, ever lost patience with me or anything.

745
01:08:55,570 --> 01:08:57,810
She's just an amazing recorder and a friend.

746
01:08:58,650 --> 01:09:00,890
And he is very lucky to have her.

747
01:09:00,890 --> 01:09:07,950
It is our privilege to honor Trina with this award tonight, recognizing her

748
01:09:07,950 --> 01:09:11,870
professional developments. Sorry, I'm a crybaby.

749
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:31,180
We get a couple of pictures. Yes, and I'd like to call on Lucinda. I'd like to call

750
01:09:31,180 --> 01:09:35,200
on Lucinda Thomas, who's online. Lucinda, you're off mute. Would you like to say

751
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:40,040
anything to? I would love to, if I can. Yes.

752
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:47,780
Yes, Trina is so amazing, she really is, she has answers for everything and she's a great

753
01:09:47,780 --> 01:09:57,540
asset to our UMCA association and always willing to help and do whatever is needed.

754
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:03,640
We just love her and love to have her part of our association too.

755
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:07,320
That's great.

756
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:08,400
Thank you very much.

757
01:10:08,780 --> 01:10:09,170
Thank you.

758
01:10:09,170 --> 01:10:14,190
All right. Would you like to come up here to get pictures everyone? Why don't we join

759
01:10:14,190 --> 01:10:14,590
Trina?

760
01:10:20,670 --> 01:10:21,970
You can click the speech afterwards.

761
01:10:30,410 --> 01:10:31,630
Congratulations, Trina.

762
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:22,800
Now we're ready for our next awards. I would like to make the Mayors award to three people.

763
01:11:23,300 --> 01:11:28,140
Arborist Parker Sweat, Building Official Kurt Davis, and Planning Manager Jamie Baren.

764
01:11:28,220 --> 01:11:32,380
If you three would come forward, I would so appreciate it. Let me talk about you when you come

765
01:11:32,380 --> 01:11:33,160
up here. Come on.

766
01:11:33,780 --> 01:11:40,460
Come on up. Go ahead and stand right here in front. All right. So for our new

767
01:11:40,460 --> 01:11:48,240
arborist, Parker Sweat, we want to recognize him for his outstanding work on

768
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:52,480
the landscaping roundabout of 550 East and Heritage Farms Parkway. Tony, can you

769
01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:56,880
pull that up so people can see this if you haven't seen it already. He did the

770
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:02,940
design. He did all of the installation and it looks great. So we're so thankful

771
01:12:02,940 --> 01:12:10,680
that you fixed. We patch and made it look this good. Thank you. All right. And then I'm going to

772
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:17,420
read the nomination from Tony Coler to Kurt Davis and Jamie Barron. He said, Mayor, I want to

773
01:12:17,420 --> 01:12:23,260
nominate Jamie Barron and Kurt Davis for a mayor's award for their work and dedication in getting

774
01:12:23,260 --> 01:12:29,900
the Main Street Park ban shell completed. Without their hard work, this project could have not been

775
01:12:29,900 --> 01:12:35,500
completed. They found a way through extreme budgetary constraints, contractor constraints,

776
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:41,200
design constraints, grant constraints, time constraints, and many diverse opinions from

777
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:47,060
the council, the staff and the public to get the ban shell completed. They had to take time from

778
01:12:47,060 --> 01:12:52,420
their already full schedules to find a way to meet more often with the stakeholders, the property

779
01:12:52,420 --> 01:12:58,860
owners and the contractor. And each of them also worked after hours before hours and over weekends

780
01:12:58,860 --> 01:13:09,680
to help get this project done. This project also required Jamie to learn new skills as he had never been a project manager before Tony. Is there anything else you'd like to say about Curtin Jamie?

781
01:13:11,420 --> 01:13:19,540
All right. Well, here's your mayor's coins. Parker's already received his at another meeting, and then you probably already received your bonus. Is that right?

782
01:13:20,740 --> 01:13:22,280
I think so. Okay.

783
01:14:36,670 --> 01:14:44,770
We're ready to move on to our next agenda item. And thank you for enjoying that time with us because we do like to reward our employees that do

784
01:14:44,770 --> 01:14:49,790
excellent jobs. The next agenda item is the conflict of interest disclosure and as mayor,

785
01:14:49,950 --> 01:14:55,910
I need to make sure that those things are disclosed according to state code. I've received a conflict

786
01:14:55,910 --> 01:14:59,970
of interest disclosure from Mike Johnston regarding this busian example.

787
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,900
Nation, public hearing, that is coming up next. He is representing the Bush annexation. Is this client? Mike, is there anything else you want to say? Just that that's it. Yeah, I'm refusing myself for sure. Are there any other conflict of interest disclosures? Anyone online? Yes. So I also submitted one months ago on the Hebrew Food Truck Court with Matt Hansen. Yes. He actually texted me. It's on the agenda for an action item. He asked. He says he's got a family emergency and he cannot come. So if we could continue

788
01:15:29,900 --> 01:15:35,160
you that till I'll have him get with Jacob about when he'd want to come back.

789
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:40,620
And that's the agenda item everyone that's later the Heber Food Truck Court Development

790
01:15:40,620 --> 01:15:41,100
Agreement.

791
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:42,000
Okay.

792
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:43,620
Thank you very much.

793
01:15:43,860 --> 01:15:44,440
No other.

794
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:48,360
Is there anyone online that wants to disclose a conflict of interest?

795
01:15:53,340 --> 01:15:53,620
Okay.

796
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:54,800
It doesn't seem like it.

797
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:56,760
One of our council members is online.

798
01:15:57,180 --> 01:15:57,440
All right.

799
01:15:57,500 --> 01:16:03,820
We're going to open up the public hearing now for proposed ordinance 2025-25.

800
01:16:03,820 --> 01:16:12,620
If the Bush annexation, it is located at approximately 3450 north highway 40 is Jamie presenting

801
01:16:12,620 --> 01:16:14,380
on this or you Tony?

802
01:16:17,460 --> 01:16:17,660
Okay.

803
01:16:17,820 --> 01:16:17,940
Yes.

804
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:19,180
We'll get this going.

805
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:23,900
And everyone, you will have your chance after the presentation to come up and give any

806
01:16:23,900 --> 01:16:26,660
comments that you would like during the public hearing.

807
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,980
But this is a discussion only item.

808
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:33,620
This is not meant to take action tonight on the annexation.

809
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:37,520
Thank you, Mayor and Council.

810
01:16:43,100 --> 01:16:45,410
So yes, this is public hearing for the Bush annexation.

811
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,840
And so Gary Bush is the petitioner for the property.

812
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,360
The annexation is a total of 1.8 acres.

813
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:58,200
Mr Bush owns approximately 1.3 acres of that.

814
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:03,660
And the other portion is owned by the Finch Creek development.

815
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:07,160
As it's part of that public or sorry, private right away.

816
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:12,340
Just to clarify there. So just looking at this is on the north and the town, just south

817
01:17:12,340 --> 01:17:18,420
of Molten Lane, right where the concrete retaining wall starts where that private

818
01:17:18,420 --> 01:17:25,420
lane also connects up to Molten Lane. So it's right here, between UVU or the future

819
01:17:28,820 --> 01:17:36,260
university, parkway and Molten Lane. So we received the application and just going through

820
01:17:36,260 --> 01:17:43,940
the process, the council received the application, goes through the acceptance process, council

821
01:17:43,940 --> 01:17:49,320
chooses to accept it for further study, the council, it went through that process and

822
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:54,980
it was completed and accepted, it went through 30-day process for certification by our

823
01:17:54,980 --> 01:18:00,560
city recorder or attorney, that was complete, we had a protest period, we did receive some

824
01:18:11,540 --> 01:18:26,440
We went through the planning commission and had a recommendation from the planning commission, which I'll share with you in a minute, and as we complete, here we are with the public hearing state code and it requires public hearings at city council not at planning commission.

825
01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:33,760
I mean, quick question on the protest, do the people that did the protest know that it wasn't accepted at this point?

826
01:18:34,180 --> 01:18:34,520
Yes.

827
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:35,340
Okay, great.

828
01:18:35,460 --> 01:18:35,580
Yes.

829
01:18:36,660 --> 01:18:45,020
So public hearing is always a city council for annexation and then the next step is for a decision by the council.

830
01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:53,300
Usually in this time we have multiple discussions with you and as mentioned or our recommendation tonight is to have the public hearing.

831
01:18:53,300 --> 01:18:55,160
I think there are a few issues that we're going to talk about.

832
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,060
We're probably going to hear from some of the public.

833
01:18:57,780 --> 01:19:01,880
And then we would come back in a future meeting with a draft development agreement

834
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:06,840
for the Council to consider for action.

835
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,500
So that's that's a staff recommendation at this time at least.

836
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:16,800
In looking at this, the Planning Commission did make a recommendation August 12th

837
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:21,240
of forward or positive recommendation with the conditions of being the zoning

838
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:25,240
is University Village. All conditions of the city engineer there's a summary in your

839
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:30,240
packet that has those comments and then affordable housing be de-districted and conditions

840
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:35,400
of the fire district we met. So those are their recommendations. In looking at our annexation

841
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:39,880
policy plan this is within the annexation policy plan it's also within the general plan.

842
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:48,880
The general plan identifies this area as kind of that scenic buffer. However, it's based

843
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:53,660
on how close it is to the highway. It's adjacent to that is the University of

844
01:19:53,660 --> 01:19:56,360
Village in Green and the neighborhoods with open space and it's kind of on

845
01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:02,160
that kind of on the extent there of where those two zones meet or

846
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:09,360
designations meet. The zoning in here in this area is two things. One is let's start

847
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:13,940
with the county zoning where it is now. It's classified as town core under

848
01:20:13,940 --> 01:20:17,120
or Wasatch County's north village overlay zone,

849
01:20:17,420 --> 01:20:21,680
which allows for six ERU's per net acre.

850
01:20:23,590 --> 01:20:25,470
We look at the city's zoning map,

851
01:20:25,670 --> 01:20:27,110
the purple is the university village,

852
01:20:27,490 --> 01:20:30,210
and the brown is the neighborhoods with open space.

853
01:20:30,730 --> 01:20:33,630
So it is surrounded on two sides by the university village,

854
01:20:33,750 --> 01:20:35,050
but again it's kind of in that area.

855
01:20:36,050 --> 01:20:42,410
Mr. Bush has requested that we give him density

856
01:20:42,410 --> 01:20:45,310
similar to what the county has.

857
01:20:45,790 --> 01:20:49,390
Again, town core, six units, six ear use per nut acre.

858
01:20:50,170 --> 01:20:54,150
The university village allows for six ear use per gross acre

859
01:20:54,150 --> 01:20:55,390
on base density.

860
01:20:56,150 --> 01:21:00,050
And then the neighborhood's open space is 3.5 year use per gross

861
01:21:00,050 --> 01:21:00,370
acre.

862
01:21:01,190 --> 01:21:06,270
Clustering is required in the neighborhood's open space.

863
01:21:06,710 --> 01:21:09,190
He's requesting the UV is it's closer to that density

864
01:21:09,190 --> 01:21:10,650
and it's surrounded by that.

865
01:21:10,650 --> 01:21:17,290
that. That's what the Finch Creek is part of. There's a proposed plan, and I think we can

866
01:21:17,290 --> 01:21:22,530
let Mr. Bush talk about some of this. There's a plan of how the ERU could work on the property

867
01:21:22,530 --> 01:21:30,130
right now that contains eight market rate and two affordable live work kind of town home

868
01:21:30,130 --> 01:21:36,670
units that are somewhat commercial and some residential. There's two additional units.

869
01:21:39,390 --> 01:21:39,950
Make

870
01:21:39,950 --> 01:22:00,860
would want Council to weigh in on what those deed restrictions might be. As far as percentage, AMI, those types of ratios, the two would be based on, as we look at how much to, how much we've been negotiating, if we're doing 10% then that would be one, if we're doing 20% that'd be two units is what's being proposed.

871
01:22:00,860 --> 01:22:09,380
close. There are some staff has become aware of this week of there are some county issues

872
01:22:09,380 --> 01:22:15,020
and Mr. Bush and some of their codes and code enforcement where we are aware that there

873
01:22:15,020 --> 01:22:21,760
are some of those issues that he's working through and on the property there's some buildings

874
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:27,300
and then there's some materials there. My understanding and I know that Mr. Bush talked

875
01:22:27,300 --> 01:22:33,340
this is one of the first things he'd like to do is to build an outbuilding and we can have those

876
01:22:33,340 --> 01:22:39,200
conversations and I think we I've talked to our city attorney and I think he could like to

877
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:43,360
probably speak to some of this but we would probably want it as the council we would want to get

878
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:49,080
some direction on you as to how you'd want to approach some of those issues. As the as with the

879
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:57,120
jurisdiction changes if it's a code enforcement issue then the county would no longer be essentially

880
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:02,940
the entity that would be over that. So therefore that issue would resolve and now that would be a

881
01:23:02,940 --> 01:23:08,360
city issue. I mean, look at our codes. Are there any code violations or anything of that nature?

882
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:13,680
I think those are things that can be discussed with the council as well as I think potentially

883
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:17,760
some middle ground there to see what could be done. So I think that's part of the discussion we'll

884
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:23,560
see tonight. So in conclusion, there's a, I'm going to show you actually real quick a couple of

885
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:28,500
map here. I'm so real quick.

886
01:23:31,100 --> 01:23:31,900
Show you the,

887
01:23:35,130 --> 01:23:37,230
here we go. So this is the

888
01:23:37,230 --> 01:23:42,630
plat area. This is Mr. Bush's property and then this is that other portion

889
01:23:42,630 --> 01:23:51,430
that was picked up by Finch Creek as there were some unknowns and on the actual

890
01:23:51,430 --> 01:23:54,830
who announced that that title and ownership has been resolved.

891
01:23:55,330 --> 01:24:00,510
So Jamie on that is that at access easement that we're seeing in the dash yeah

892
01:24:00,510 --> 01:24:04,790
This is a private road that is used by all those property owners yeah

893
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:09,730
access it's more I think at this point I don't know if anything it's formally

894
01:24:09,730 --> 01:24:15,090
recorded on that is probably some prescriptive but it's it's maintained and owned

895
01:24:15,090 --> 01:24:20,110
by all those property owners and it's a private road it's not public so I know

896
01:24:20,110 --> 01:24:25,770
know that there's some concern by some of the neighbors in that they would have to with

897
01:24:25,770 --> 01:24:29,270
development, they would have to address access to their property.

898
01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:33,870
And then this is the site point that we are referencing.

899
01:24:34,230 --> 01:24:35,630
Flash out that concern you just said.

900
01:24:35,870 --> 01:24:35,970
Yes.

901
01:24:36,110 --> 01:24:38,390
There's concern they would have to address access to their property.

902
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:42,530
Are you saying because the proposed development would negate or would interfere with that

903
01:24:42,530 --> 01:24:43,850
private road that exists right now?

904
01:24:43,850 --> 01:24:54,930
So, this private road is fairly narrow and in order to get enough access to develop the land to meet fire standards, access murder and sell it, we'd have to have improvements on that road.

905
01:24:55,130 --> 01:25:05,830
So, this where there at least the portion that Mr. Bush either owns or the neighboring property of Finch Creek owns, you could potentially see improvements through that section.

906
01:25:06,450 --> 01:25:10,990
But then any other improvements going farther north, they could either do a couple things.

907
01:25:10,990 --> 01:25:15,930
one would be either like a gate or something that would allow for the private access to be still

908
01:25:15,930 --> 01:25:22,790
used by those individuals. You could also see but in order to do that if this was to become

909
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:27,910
public road there's a lot of conflict with individual property owners some of their utilities

910
01:25:27,910 --> 01:25:31,470
or septic systems that are close to the road but it's very narrow if you've been up there.

911
01:25:31,890 --> 01:25:35,310
So what we're saying is in order to develop this you're going to have to improve it and widen it

912
01:25:35,310 --> 01:25:41,430
Just for sake of access and fire and everything so just another wrinkle, you know

913
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:47,770
You know we're dealing with that and yep, and you know, is there gonna be a frontage road there and all that yeah

914
01:25:47,770 --> 01:25:50,370
So you got yes to your point

915
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:57,070
Said is that you dot is looking at both alternatives and both alternatives do

916
01:25:57,630 --> 01:26:02,270
Come very close to this road based on what we've seen and so we we recognize

917
01:26:02,270 --> 01:26:05,650
there's a lot of things up in the air right now in terms of this and I think

918
01:26:05,650 --> 01:26:11,010
the property owners understand that some of this I think is twofold one is to look

919
01:26:11,010 --> 01:26:14,790
at getting some sort of a call at a shop or a building there that the city

920
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:19,910
would have fruit would allow them to use maybe for certain number of years

921
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:24,050
whereas and then in the future this property could maybe be developed at that

922
01:26:24,050 --> 01:26:27,550
time they'd have to go through U. and go through all those and get all that

923
01:26:27,550 --> 01:26:30,490
that sorted out, just like we're seeing in the North Village.

924
01:26:30,890 --> 01:26:33,490
So, while we're here, yes.

925
01:26:33,730 --> 01:26:36,390
I know there's plenty of details here we could talk about

926
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:37,530
and that's why we're here.

927
01:26:37,970 --> 01:26:39,310
Thank you, Mr. Bush, for being here.

928
01:26:40,490 --> 01:26:42,970
We really didn't decide about what would happen

929
01:26:42,970 --> 01:26:46,450
to the scenic buffer trail because we thought it would be a while

930
01:26:46,450 --> 01:26:50,170
before we got this far north and try to continue that.

931
01:26:50,590 --> 01:26:52,290
So to me it was never decided,

932
01:26:52,290 --> 01:26:58,050
even though we've required that 50-foot buffer for storm waters,

933
01:26:58,570 --> 01:27:02,910
swales and this winding scenic trail going north on Highway 40.

934
01:27:03,570 --> 01:27:06,790
Do you have any ideas or has the Planning Commission discussed

935
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:12,790
what happens to our scenic buffer trail once it hits this private road?

936
01:27:13,850 --> 01:27:17,590
I don't think they've discussed what happens during that.

937
01:27:17,710 --> 01:27:20,750
I think right now the biggest question is what happens based on

938
01:27:20,750 --> 01:27:28,710
where U.Goes with the Hebrew Valley Corridor, I think that probably has some impact as far

939
01:27:28,710 --> 01:27:31,790
as this individual know, I think that's something we can discuss.

940
01:27:33,010 --> 01:27:37,710
Well, I had always thought, even though it was never decided, because we knew that was a pinch point

941
01:27:37,710 --> 01:27:42,030
right there with that tall retaining wall and this road that goes up and over, you know,

942
01:27:42,110 --> 01:27:47,910
that is private, I always thought that the senior buffer would go up and over, right?

943
01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:53,370
it would not be down at the bottom of that retaining wall, especially given the topography

944
01:27:53,370 --> 01:28:01,050
that's to the north, right? So has anything been discussed here as far as that scenic buffer trail

945
01:28:01,050 --> 01:28:05,390
with what's in the MD8? I didn't see it. The development agreement.

946
01:28:07,500 --> 01:28:11,180
Only that. Only that UDOT really

947
01:28:11,180 --> 01:28:17,960
is going to dictate this frontage road and all those things. This is a 14-foot private shared road.

948
01:28:18,620 --> 01:28:25,580
I think six properties use it and I don't think we are going to read. I mean, none of them

949
01:28:25,580 --> 01:28:31,640
really have the ability to dedicate a scenic buffer because of the small loss size.

950
01:28:31,940 --> 01:28:36,380
Yeah. Okay, so that's where the city will open around coming from around.

951
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:41,640
Yeah, the city's got to be deciding this and Russ, maybe you want to weigh in on this, the city's

952
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:46,340
got to be deciding what to do with that scenic buffer trail, right? And we just we didn't think five

953
01:28:46,340 --> 01:28:51,020
for so years ago, you know, when this was all going down that we figured out when we got here.

954
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:56,220
It seems like we're here now, right, we're here. And we need to start thinking about where's that

955
01:28:56,220 --> 01:29:01,240
scenic buffer trail going to go for connectivity north to south, you know, for the pedestrians.

956
01:29:02,220 --> 01:29:09,460
Do you have any ideas? Well, let me share a few thoughts. As you know, as a lot of these properties

957
01:29:09,460 --> 01:29:14,560
have annexed into the city, we've had that requirement put on them of maintaining that buffer area

958
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:15,940
where the trail was supposed to go.

959
01:29:16,820 --> 01:29:21,760
In those areas where the annexations have already taken place,

960
01:29:22,300 --> 01:29:24,400
it's still anticipated that those developers

961
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,480
are going to build that trail even

962
01:29:26,480 --> 01:29:31,180
with the potential widening of the road by UDOT.

963
01:29:31,660 --> 01:29:35,980
In areas like this, UDOT's alternative analysis

964
01:29:35,980 --> 01:29:37,720
includes building that trail.

965
01:29:38,220 --> 01:29:40,020
Now it's going to be, I don't believe it's

966
01:29:40,020 --> 01:29:44,080
going to have a big giant buffer area in this area,

967
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:50,660
But I believe that that and Craig you're maybe you guys know this, but I don't believe that that trail is going to be

968
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:54,560
Up on the upper side of that wall

969
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:57,200
I think that it's potentially going to be on the lower side

970
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,900
But I believe this was going to be built by you dot

971
01:30:02,770 --> 01:30:29,090
I guess we're glad they're here and I guess we'll maybe they can clarify, but my understanding there is that in the areas we've already talked about having the buffer area and those developers are going to build those trails per annexation agreements. These areas that weren't on the radar, this was going to be built with the U dot bypass by their project and I don't I don't think that the anticipation here is that we're going to have that big buffer area because of the process.

972
01:30:29,090 --> 01:30:31,930
No, no, we never thought there'd be the big buffer area.

973
01:30:32,110 --> 01:30:35,170
We just needed to decide where is that trail going to go.

974
01:30:35,610 --> 01:30:38,330
You know, if it was above the wall or below the any of it.

975
01:30:38,570 --> 01:30:39,370
Yeah, I'm just curious.

976
01:30:40,190 --> 01:30:42,670
The whole wall is heard of the same in this area.

977
01:30:42,910 --> 01:30:44,770
Did you say it looked like a bug?

978
01:30:44,970 --> 01:30:45,730
It does look above.

979
01:30:45,870 --> 01:30:47,150
OK, so yeah.

980
01:30:49,930 --> 01:30:51,390
OK, that's good to know.

981
01:30:51,530 --> 01:30:54,090
Just wanted to make sure that everybody was aware, you know,

982
01:30:54,090 --> 01:30:56,790
that this was a pinch point, and this was a discussion

983
01:30:56,790 --> 01:30:58,490
that was going to come up when this happened.

984
01:30:59,970 --> 01:31:00,370
OK.

985
01:31:00,370 --> 01:31:03,430
Okay, my other concern and maybe you'll get to this.

986
01:31:03,730 --> 01:31:05,150
Why don't you finish your presentation?

987
01:31:05,650 --> 01:31:07,290
Yeah, I think I'm about there.

988
01:31:07,530 --> 01:31:10,370
I'm looking at the site plan and all of you,

989
01:31:10,390 --> 01:31:12,010
I'm not sure why it's skewed on your screen,

990
01:31:12,010 --> 01:31:15,670
but you're looking at the 10 units and then the accessory barn.

991
01:31:15,810 --> 01:31:17,910
I believe that that's kind of the idea of having

992
01:31:18,450 --> 01:31:22,130
that barn built for some of the activities

993
01:31:22,130 --> 01:31:26,310
Mr. Bush is looking to do or to use that property now.

994
01:31:27,490 --> 01:31:29,670
And this is a potential development

995
01:31:29,670 --> 01:31:36,950
to the future. There's also, but again, right now we're talking about more of the zoning and what

996
01:31:36,950 --> 01:31:43,450
that could look like. All that Mr. Bush talked to more of what his plans are. There's also

997
01:31:43,450 --> 01:31:49,210
possibility, depending on what happens with the heat rally EIS and the corridor to those others

998
01:31:49,210 --> 01:31:55,350
that maybe it becomes part of other developments as well. So it's hard to say right now, but this is

999
01:31:55,350 --> 01:32:01,490
this is a site plan based on what he's visioning based on the density and the zoning that he's

1000
01:32:01,490 --> 01:32:06,090
requesting right now. So some to point in the future and then these are just some elevations

1001
01:32:07,210 --> 01:32:14,810
as well kind of showing what that vision would look like. So with that though it is public hearing

1002
01:32:14,810 --> 01:32:19,990
and so we're just recommending again for tonight that we have the public hearing, have the dialogue

1003
01:32:19,990 --> 01:32:26,590
with Mr. Bush and with the council and get some weird seeking direction to prepare a development

1004
01:32:26,590 --> 01:32:31,690
agreement for you to consider action on at a future meeting. So with that I think it'd be we

1005
01:32:31,690 --> 01:32:36,950
should allow Mr. Bush to have some dialogue with the council to answer some questions and share some

1006
01:32:36,950 --> 01:32:42,290
his thoughts and then recommend you opening it to a public hearing. Excellent. All right. We'll turn

1007
01:32:42,290 --> 01:32:48,610
it over to you, Mr. Bush. What would you like to present or discuss? I'd like to suppose first

1008
01:32:48,610 --> 01:32:56,110
just introduce myself Gary Bush and I'm not really a developer I'm here today

1009
01:32:56,110 --> 01:33:03,490
with annexation application as you know like development agreement is part

1010
01:33:03,490 --> 01:33:11,970
of that application right now my goal is to build the storage barn and that will

1011
01:33:11,970 --> 01:33:17,750
allow me to store inside some construction material I have on site and have

1012
01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:30,710
for the last 20 years. And there's no chance I can do that in the county. And

1013
01:33:30,710 --> 01:33:37,370
unless I build a primary home first. So they've really preferred that I go

1014
01:33:37,370 --> 01:33:47,130
through the annexation process. And again, really not able to develop this until

1015
01:33:47,130 --> 01:33:55,930
that private road becomes either improved or the access road or the frontage road is built by UDOT.

1016
01:33:57,030 --> 01:34:03,030
I've really been held up for that for a number of years. In this annexation application,

1017
01:34:03,590 --> 01:34:09,410
really without knowing what UDOT was going to do, now it looks like it's pretty certain

1018
01:34:09,410 --> 01:34:14,930
And there's an access road or a furniture going along that private road.

1019
01:34:17,330 --> 01:34:28,750
So I just really want to be in extent to Heber primarily to build this storage barn at this time.

1020
01:34:29,130 --> 01:34:39,810
Also want to plan for the future and we know that Heber is really planning that corridor in the state 40 and I want to be part of that.

1021
01:34:43,810 --> 01:34:45,130
And again,

1022
01:34:49,570 --> 01:34:54,070
this is really preferred route for West Hedge County.

1023
01:34:55,270 --> 01:35:04,490
And they have suggested I do so, so here I am.

1024
01:35:06,230 --> 01:35:11,250
I'm happy with building the barn at this point,

1025
01:35:11,590 --> 01:35:17,510
and then waiting for you to take 5 or 10 years to build their frontage road.

1026
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:24,510
And then at that point, I think we'll have a clearer vision of how this area will be redeveloped.

1027
01:35:27,090 --> 01:35:38,750
And so again, in the meantime, I'm just hoping that I can be annexed and build a storage barn for personal use and a workshop area.

1028
01:35:39,670 --> 01:35:42,490
If you don't mind, Mr. Purshola, Aaron, ask a question.

1029
01:35:42,750 --> 01:35:42,870
Yeah.

1030
01:35:43,170 --> 01:35:45,050
Thanks so much for stating that.

1031
01:35:45,230 --> 01:35:49,150
So, would you be, you know, they're asking for guidance for development agreement.

1032
01:35:49,290 --> 01:35:54,850
Would you be amenable then to some kind of an agreement where we allow a barn and an annexation

1033
01:35:54,850 --> 01:35:56,710
and don't allow anything else?

1034
01:35:56,890 --> 01:36:03,110
And we wait to see, whether it's you come back in, we reapply, we wait to see for you dot track.

1035
01:36:03,210 --> 01:36:04,630
I mean, this is way more than a barn.

1036
01:36:04,830 --> 01:36:06,410
And so I'm trying to piece together.

1037
01:36:06,410 --> 01:36:08,730
No, no, you're your comments with what we're seeing.

1038
01:36:08,990 --> 01:36:12,350
Yeah, I mean, it's a tricky one because I really can't

1039
01:36:13,730 --> 01:36:16,370
without you not committing to a plan.

1040
01:36:17,150 --> 01:36:19,890
And so, in the meantime, I'd like to do something.

1041
01:36:20,250 --> 01:36:26,890
It's under currently undervalued and so I want to do something and I need to do something

1042
01:36:26,890 --> 01:36:32,050
to take care of some zone violations, storing outdoor material in Wasatch County.

1043
01:36:32,050 --> 01:36:45,390
So, yes, to answer your question, yes, I'm okay with that, and that I'm okay with that annexation agreement or the development agreement part of that annexation application.

1044
01:36:46,610 --> 01:36:57,610
You know, identifying the zone and, you know, also the standard affordable housing requirements and, you know, north field preservation fees.

1045
01:36:57,610 --> 01:37:10,690
And I'm okay with all that without really a firm commitment or plan that I can stick to because I just don't know.

1046
01:37:11,130 --> 01:37:18,170
Mr. Bush, if you wouldn't mind just explaining a little bit more about the county code and those nuisance issues that you've had.

1047
01:37:18,530 --> 01:37:21,930
It would help us before perhaps the public comment.

1048
01:37:21,930 --> 01:37:37,010
Yeah, I'm a general contractor and I bought the property. It was used as construction staging and I continued to do so.

1049
01:37:37,290 --> 01:37:49,270
So it's primarily material. I specialize in historic rehabilitation. So there's a lot of historic material and that I temporarily will take off of the building and put her back on.

1050
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:57,430
And I have done that without really contest for a number of years, but recently that's

1051
01:37:57,430 --> 01:37:58,090
come to light.

1052
01:37:58,570 --> 01:38:04,870
And I was really led on, you know, taken out for a long walk on a short pair from a planner

1053
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:05,950
in Wasad County.

1054
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:12,590
He indicated we had numerous common, you know, site visits and he indicated that if I did

1055
01:38:12,590 --> 01:38:14,450
some things, it would be okay.

1056
01:38:14,450 --> 01:38:34,130
Well, subsequently he's been fired and then I've been in a more rigid situation that I'm trying to become compliant and this seems to be the best route for me.

1057
01:38:36,110 --> 01:38:42,910
I can I ask how much materials is it I brought it actually a zip drive so I can show some

1058
01:38:42,910 --> 01:38:46,990
pitchers. It will just help us understand what when I think public comments talk about

1059
01:38:46,990 --> 01:38:47,310
it.

1060
01:38:47,450 --> 01:38:47,630
Okay.

1061
01:38:47,950 --> 01:38:51,690
While they're bringing that up, Mr. Bush, is your plan for the barn that you're talking

1062
01:38:51,690 --> 01:38:52,030
about?

1063
01:38:52,190 --> 01:38:52,250
Yes.

1064
01:38:52,430 --> 01:38:54,730
That's the your materials could then be inside the barn.

1065
01:38:54,770 --> 01:38:54,910
Yes.

1066
01:38:55,130 --> 01:38:56,250
That's the whole idea is.

1067
01:38:56,330 --> 01:38:56,470
Yes.

1068
01:38:56,590 --> 01:38:59,030
Instead of storing in the open we could enclose the stuff.

1069
01:38:59,470 --> 01:38:59,870
Absolutely.

1070
01:39:00,410 --> 01:39:00,830
Exactly right.

1071
01:39:01,630 --> 01:39:05,650
Is the barn something that you would be able to construct within the next building season?

1072
01:39:06,210 --> 01:39:15,630
Yes, yes, it's not a, it would not have utilities, I did not have utilities in the area, so I do have a look to a power, but I do not have.

1073
01:39:18,090 --> 01:39:21,430
Or water, and I wouldn't get those until.

1074
01:39:22,630 --> 01:39:23,330
The development.

1075
01:39:24,410 --> 01:39:27,810
It's a fish creek happened, so that's just to the south.

1076
01:39:28,530 --> 01:39:31,850
And that's where utilities will be brought to this lot from.

1077
01:39:31,850 --> 01:39:34,850
Would you like to tell us which file perhaps to open?

1078
01:39:36,850 --> 01:39:43,030
I hope that there's the name that you see them there.

1079
01:39:45,550 --> 01:39:46,650
Yes, in the record file.

1080
01:39:47,330 --> 01:39:48,430
It's just three photos.

1081
01:39:49,110 --> 01:39:54,030
Now I have one of the corner a lot as you come up molten lane.

1082
01:39:55,850 --> 01:39:57,430
There's one look.

1083
01:39:58,510 --> 01:40:02,190
There's the shed that really is the subject.

1084
01:40:05,370 --> 01:40:11,110
it's clad in tin and there's some material in front, lumber in front. So that's primarily

1085
01:40:11,110 --> 01:40:17,870
the material. The building to the left is the Jason property to the east, it's across

1086
01:40:17,870 --> 01:40:18,470
the canal.

1087
01:40:21,170 --> 01:40:28,990
But that I was, I went to Asad's town to get a permit and I was told I could build

1088
01:40:28,990 --> 01:40:35,850
the permit I didn't need a building because it was less than 200 square feet and they gave me a

1089
01:40:35,850 --> 01:40:40,490
setback of three feet and then they came back to me after it was built and said no it needs to be

1090
01:40:40,490 --> 01:40:47,110
10 feet so they put a stop work on it that that's why it just sits as it is this is the corner

1091
01:40:47,110 --> 01:40:54,150
lot as you come up mountain lane and turn on to that private access road and you can see this just

1092
01:40:55,030 --> 01:41:07,310
You know, it's the property to the south it is to the north to the north. It's not your property. This is not my property, but I just wanted to give you some context of that those six homes. This is the one that's immediate.

1093
01:41:07,870 --> 01:41:18,210
It's the first one so the furthest north just south of molten lane. So if you pull up molten lane and you go south along that private road, that's the first thing you see.

1094
01:41:18,210 --> 01:41:25,430
And it's really a truck yard, there's old abandoned cars of school bus, lumber material.

1095
01:41:26,150 --> 01:41:30,910
This is my lot here, and it's, again, undeveloped.

1096
01:41:30,970 --> 01:41:35,010
There's kind of a olive green shed on the left.

1097
01:41:35,690 --> 01:41:40,950
Jamie, if you can highlight that, a little bit further to your left, yeah, that right there.

1098
01:41:41,570 --> 01:41:46,710
That's a mobile office that I take to a job site.

1099
01:41:46,710 --> 01:41:54,470
it has, it lifts onto a trailer. The barn in the back is the neighbors, the silver one.

1100
01:41:55,590 --> 01:41:58,430
And those are your materials that are laying on the ground there?

1101
01:41:58,630 --> 01:42:00,950
Yeah, no, that's some historic lumber there.

1102
01:42:01,110 --> 01:42:04,130
And then where's that chain plaid shed that you would like to?

1103
01:42:04,230 --> 01:42:09,070
The right, if you rotate to the right, Jamie, it's actually behind that bush right there.

1104
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:11,950
Okay, so there's more materials back there than two.

1105
01:42:12,070 --> 01:42:12,250
Yeah.

1106
01:42:12,730 --> 01:42:15,710
Okay. Appreciate you showing that to us, sir.

1107
01:42:16,270 --> 01:42:18,390
Council, do you have any questions on these pictures?

1108
01:42:19,970 --> 01:42:20,450
Okay.

1109
01:42:20,910 --> 01:42:21,910
Thanks for bringing them.

1110
01:42:22,230 --> 01:42:22,550
It helps.

1111
01:42:22,730 --> 01:42:30,110
I visit the site very infrequently, maybe once a month during the building season, maybe

1112
01:42:30,110 --> 01:42:32,310
twice in one month and then nothing for a month.

1113
01:42:32,570 --> 01:42:40,150
So very infrequently, it's, it's, uh, so just for me to understand, you're saying that the

1114
01:42:40,150 --> 01:42:43,730
Wasatch County won't let you build a barn unless you also build a house.

1115
01:42:43,870 --> 01:42:44,050
Yes.

1116
01:42:44,050 --> 01:42:45,850
And I don't understand that.

1117
01:42:45,870 --> 01:42:46,930
I don't understand it either.

1118
01:42:47,750 --> 01:42:51,350
And I asked, can I have, can I do an application?

1119
01:42:52,390 --> 01:42:55,690
Because with UDOT was holding up the annexation application

1120
01:42:55,690 --> 01:42:59,590
because of the circulation plan, basically, because of UDOT.

1121
01:43:00,050 --> 01:43:04,370
So I said, this is really holding me up, Doug Smith.

1122
01:43:04,650 --> 01:43:10,490
Can I do an application for a single family home just as an escape route

1123
01:43:10,490 --> 01:43:12,070
so that if I have a backup plan

1124
01:43:12,070 --> 01:43:22,790
and then build at the barn, you know, the primary house in the accessory building, and he said, no, and he said, I'd need to withdraw my annexation application to pursue that route.

1125
01:43:23,170 --> 01:43:28,170
The Doug that doesn't seem right, and he goes, we really just want you to go through the annexation application.

1126
01:43:28,710 --> 01:43:37,670
So I don't really understand what the motives are there, but I was part of the MOU that we made with the county when we started this whole annexation process,

1127
01:43:37,670 --> 01:43:44,050
that they would recommend that property owners like yourself first try to come to the city and they're honoring that.

1128
01:43:44,190 --> 01:43:47,450
That makes sense, but I was not aware of that until this moment.

1129
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:53,650
I understand. Okay, anything else you'd like to say or anything else you'd like to ask?

1130
01:43:53,750 --> 01:44:03,610
I have a question for Jamie. You might know you're not a county person, but if you know, could the county provide whatever kind of zone variance or whatever is needed to allow them to build a barn without a house?

1131
01:44:03,770 --> 01:44:05,490
Like is that possible for them to provide?

1132
01:44:06,330 --> 01:44:12,150
So there's a couple of things that I'm just going to answer your question, but I want to explain something and that is

1133
01:44:14,350 --> 01:44:18,770
Variance versus say development agreement or something else or zoning

1134
01:44:20,010 --> 01:44:23,810
There's very strict regulations under the state

1135
01:44:23,810 --> 01:44:29,090
Statue when you can actually give a variance because that is part of the judicial arm of government saying

1136
01:44:29,650 --> 01:44:35,070
We see that our rules are too strict for you. You're losing a fundamental property right

1137
01:44:35,690 --> 01:44:38,410
And there's a very narrow window of saying,

1138
01:44:38,590 --> 01:44:41,330
hey, it's not self-created, it's not economic,

1139
01:44:41,630 --> 01:44:44,150
and it's unique to your property.

1140
01:44:44,410 --> 01:44:45,790
So a lot of times we see setbacks

1141
01:44:47,890 --> 01:44:49,850
with topography or other types of things.

1142
01:44:50,190 --> 01:44:52,030
So very narrow window is to when they say,

1143
01:44:52,110 --> 01:44:54,470
because again, we're talking about judicial now, right?

1144
01:44:56,250 --> 01:44:59,170
And so the answer to that is, I don't know,

1145
01:44:59,330 --> 01:44:59,930
that's a very...

1146
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:06,700
I would be very surprised if that's the ability. Now, what they could do is could they go through

1147
01:45:06,700 --> 01:45:11,320
the legislative process and create a development agreement, which they say, hey, we're going

1148
01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:14,700
to make some of these exceptions through a legislative process. Absolutely. That's the

1149
01:45:14,700 --> 01:45:18,820
same authority that you use when you create a development agreement, or you do his own

1150
01:45:18,820 --> 01:45:23,500
change, or you do an annexation. That's all part of that legislative branch. So, could they

1151
01:45:23,500 --> 01:45:28,320
do something like that? That goes back to their elected officials as to whether they're willing

1152
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:33,740
to do that. I think Mayor that they're saying go to the city because they at one time agreed to

1153
01:45:34,380 --> 01:45:39,940
recommend people come to this. Correct. If you have the MOU and part of this conversation is

1154
01:45:39,940 --> 01:45:44,480
if you look at the county right now they're in town core with the overlay. If they choose to use

1155
01:45:44,480 --> 01:45:50,000
the overlay and can meet the parameters of the overlay we're talking about I think county was six

1156
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:56,220
units six net units per net acre sorry and so that's why some of that request is to say

1157
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:10,860
Let's establish a zone as well as I think what he's requesting is let me build a barn or a shop or whatever so I can store material at the same time just can I get a zone so that something can happen here in the future.

1158
01:46:22,210 --> 01:46:22,630
Okay.

1159
01:46:22,630 --> 01:46:30,430
I don't understand the Finch Creek easement that's at, I guess, the east side of your property for their private road is that correct?

1160
01:46:31,010 --> 01:46:32,630
Well, yes, sir.

1161
01:46:35,670 --> 01:46:47,730
Sorry, until Gary submitted his annexation map for many, many years, that portion that's now owned by Finch Creek had no tax parcel number, no value and no owner.

1162
01:46:48,450 --> 01:46:55,790
It was unknown. I don't know why, but for decades. So we submitted the map, and Ross Hansen,

1163
01:46:56,130 --> 01:47:01,510
our city assistant engineer said, hey, you got to address this. And so I went back through

1164
01:47:01,510 --> 01:47:07,590
the records and determined that it used to be owned by the people that sold to Finch Creek, sold

1165
01:47:07,590 --> 01:47:13,190
everything but that portion of that shared driveway, because it was a shared driveway, and I guess

1166
01:47:13,190 --> 01:47:15,670
there's nobody wanted to own it.

1167
01:47:15,850 --> 01:47:17,910
Let's just make sure I know what you're talking about here.

1168
01:47:18,170 --> 01:47:19,590
So there's an arrow, Jesus parcel.

1169
01:47:20,030 --> 01:47:22,690
Yeah, but the purple line owner of Finch Creek.

1170
01:47:23,090 --> 01:47:25,430
So that right there is all now owned by Finch Creek.

1171
01:47:25,450 --> 01:47:27,590
They went through a quiet title action with the courts

1172
01:47:28,250 --> 01:47:30,870
and they actually got the previous owner's errors.

1173
01:47:31,250 --> 01:47:32,730
That's not what I'm talking about though.

1174
01:47:33,310 --> 01:47:35,330
I thought the easement for Finch Creek

1175
01:47:35,330 --> 01:47:37,130
was on the other side, the back side.

1176
01:47:37,250 --> 01:47:38,690
It's not is this front side.

1177
01:47:38,810 --> 01:47:39,750
Yeah, it's not an easement.

1178
01:47:39,750 --> 01:47:47,370
And so that's a shared driveway that you dot built when they put the wall in and widen the road many, many years ago.

1179
01:47:47,850 --> 01:47:47,970
Okay.

1180
01:47:48,410 --> 01:47:53,310
And those people lost their access directly to the highway because it's too steep.

1181
01:47:54,010 --> 01:48:00,410
So that driveway, shared driveway, private road, whatever got put in, the county doesn't own it and they don't plow it.

1182
01:48:01,470 --> 01:48:06,930
And it starts right there and goes on property that Finch Creek now owns.

1183
01:48:06,930 --> 01:48:09,510
I'm going to say Finch Creek is still allowing access.

1184
01:48:09,830 --> 01:48:10,310
It sounds like.

1185
01:48:10,370 --> 01:48:13,270
Well, they have to because it's prescriptively an easement.

1186
01:48:13,630 --> 01:48:15,370
It's not a written easement, but it's prescriptive.

1187
01:48:15,370 --> 01:48:16,610
It's been used for decades.

1188
01:48:17,350 --> 01:48:19,190
It was Finch Creek maintaining the road.

1189
01:48:20,150 --> 01:48:20,890
I don't think so.

1190
01:48:21,890 --> 01:48:22,030
I don't know.

1191
01:48:22,490 --> 01:48:27,030
Well, I wonder who I think maybe someone's here in the audience, but the property owners,

1192
01:48:27,190 --> 01:48:28,510
I understand they pull out it.

1193
01:48:29,190 --> 01:48:30,990
It's like a shared driveway, basically.

1194
01:48:30,990 --> 01:48:36,410
Injury took ownership of that just within the last few months.

1195
01:48:37,030 --> 01:48:41,390
When we were working with Finch Creek and you may remember the conversation of some of

1196
01:48:41,390 --> 01:48:45,070
the collector roads and major collector roads that need to come down to Highway 40 and

1197
01:48:45,070 --> 01:48:45,910
trying to meet those.

1198
01:48:47,090 --> 01:48:51,990
This area was one of the areas we engineering was working with and diligently to find a way

1199
01:48:51,990 --> 01:48:54,470
to make that work and this was an area that was being explored.

1200
01:48:55,010 --> 01:49:00,230
That's also when this issue came up and so it got resolved because of that now obviously

1201
01:49:00,230 --> 01:49:06,210
with UDOT, we're looking at some other alternatives because that's not going to work, but they just

1202
01:49:06,210 --> 01:49:11,070
barely, because within the last couple of months have actually gained ownership of that, so they

1203
01:49:11,070 --> 01:49:17,570
probably would not have had any maintenance involved. Okay, so now, Mr. Bush's parcel is just to the

1204
01:49:17,570 --> 01:49:22,650
north of this, right? Correct. Okay, let's, can you go there a little bit? And there's five, I think,

1205
01:49:22,770 --> 01:49:26,970
a five or six other properties, and then you get to molten lane. This connects molten lane down,

1206
01:49:27,650 --> 01:49:36,590
on the north. Is this touch any Heber City parcels? Yes, so it touches all along the east and south.

1207
01:49:36,750 --> 01:49:38,470
The purple is the Heber City's boundary. Correct.

1208
01:49:39,890 --> 01:49:46,850
And then as far as the canal, what kind of setbacks are there? And then I don't know what the

1209
01:49:46,850 --> 01:49:52,830
topography or slope is to make sure that there's not digging underneath that canal area, like in our

1210
01:49:52,830 --> 01:49:57,730
sensitive. You can see the canal. Yeah, it looks like an older ship. Right. They maintain that.

1211
01:49:58,430 --> 01:50:05,050
That's that's owned fee title by the CUP. Okay, the typography doesn't look too steep there. So

1212
01:50:05,050 --> 01:50:11,090
it looks like there wouldn't be an issue with any redevelopment to affect the canal and I always thought

1213
01:50:11,090 --> 01:50:17,270
that's where the bike trail would be or the pedestrian access would loop up and onto that canal. Okay.

1214
01:50:17,270 --> 01:50:24,090
Okay, so my final question is, you're looking at, well, some of the documents said seven

1215
01:50:24,790 --> 01:50:25,670
work units.

1216
01:50:25,950 --> 01:50:29,770
Some said, you know, the 10 with the two additional affordable ones.

1217
01:50:29,930 --> 01:50:30,630
So is it?

1218
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:36,210
It's going to be eight that you're proposing with the two more that are affordable, okay?

1219
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:37,790
And we'll have to discuss that.

1220
01:50:38,050 --> 01:50:43,210
I hope Council, we can discuss that more when we've got both of our missing Council members

1221
01:50:43,210 --> 01:50:43,530
here.

1222
01:50:44,250 --> 01:50:45,930
I just agree with that, too, for Gary.

1223
01:50:46,690 --> 01:50:51,270
That's a site plan that his architect grew because it was requested by the application.

1224
01:50:51,690 --> 01:50:53,190
It's not an intended development.

1225
01:50:54,030 --> 01:50:56,470
You can't do it because the road, there's no road to do it with.

1226
01:50:56,590 --> 01:50:57,930
There's no utilities to do it with.

1227
01:50:58,050 --> 01:50:59,430
And it's something that could happen.

1228
01:51:00,470 --> 01:51:02,670
But that's not what I think.

1229
01:51:03,210 --> 01:51:06,610
By the time you get the highly rerouted and the fronted roads in,

1230
01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:12,790
this whole corridor will be open to some other idea by a new city council.

1231
01:51:12,790 --> 01:51:29,510
It's going to be, it's hard to imagine single-family homes between the canal and the highway right there, they're there now, but I think that's, I just, that's a discussion for those property owners and, and the new city council in years to come that this site plan is not really what he's asking for.

1232
01:51:29,510 --> 01:51:36,890
Just annexation. You're right. He's asking for an annexation and a barn and a barn. Okay. Well, what I'm concerned about is

1233
01:51:36,890 --> 01:51:43,690
and you dot standards on frontage roads and even though this is kind of a unique frontage road situation given the existing

1234
01:51:44,250 --> 01:51:50,910
homes that are there or the existing properties, I'm thinking that given the narrowness of this particular area

1235
01:51:50,910 --> 01:51:58,090
of the highway that having that much density coming into the frontage road, does that make sense?

1236
01:51:58,090 --> 01:52:00,570
You know, can create other issues.

1237
01:52:01,010 --> 01:52:02,350
So that's where I'm coming from.

1238
01:52:02,910 --> 01:52:06,010
Obviously, who knows what development could happen there

1239
01:52:06,010 --> 01:52:06,710
in the future.

1240
01:52:07,250 --> 01:52:09,470
But I'm just wondering if there's any concerns

1241
01:52:10,150 --> 01:52:14,030
that UDOT has as far as the sizing of the frontage road,

1242
01:52:14,150 --> 01:52:16,970
especially if more density were agreed to

1243
01:52:16,970 --> 01:52:19,290
and given in any of these locations,

1244
01:52:20,210 --> 01:52:23,270
not to mention the existing residential that's there.

1245
01:52:23,790 --> 01:52:26,590
I'm just concerned about that high density

1246
01:52:26,590 --> 01:52:32,130
on a frontage road that we need standards from perhaps U. Before we decide,

1247
01:52:32,450 --> 01:52:37,830
go ahead, Russ. Yeah. Thank you, Mayor. I just, I wanted to just point out a couple things. So

1248
01:52:38,670 --> 01:52:47,270
the conversation at this point is that this private access road, when Finch Creek develops,

1249
01:52:47,950 --> 01:52:53,370
the conversation with them is that they will be required to allow that private drive to connect

1250
01:52:53,370 --> 01:52:58,210
into their road system. Then it would go through their road system up to the collector road.

1251
01:52:58,570 --> 01:53:07,190
So it goes through Finge Creek's local road system or private road system, whatever they do.

1252
01:53:07,750 --> 01:53:13,490
So the reason I say that is because although you don't is talking about frontage roads,

1253
01:53:14,050 --> 01:53:19,190
I think that there are a lot of roads that are going to be planned in our master plan that are

1254
01:53:19,190 --> 01:53:20,850
are going to be used as frontage roads.

1255
01:53:21,290 --> 01:53:22,790
So I see that access going away.

1256
01:53:23,050 --> 01:53:27,350
Those roads tying into Finch Creek's local road system

1257
01:53:27,810 --> 01:53:31,690
and then there is a requirement or a condition put on this

1258
01:53:31,690 --> 01:53:33,210
that they will have to widen that

1259
01:53:33,210 --> 01:53:34,630
to meet fire access requirement,

1260
01:53:35,010 --> 01:53:38,170
which means they're going to have to be likely 26 feet.

1261
01:53:38,290 --> 01:53:40,490
They're gonna have to work that out, that's in there.

1262
01:53:40,670 --> 01:53:42,150
So just some additional information

1263
01:53:42,150 --> 01:53:44,490
that I thought might be helpful for everyone to understand.

1264
01:53:44,850 --> 01:53:46,330
If I add to Russ's comment

1265
01:53:46,330 --> 01:53:56,150
And that would allow the properties to the north who utilize this to access roads to the south through Finch Creek.

1266
01:53:56,710 --> 01:54:03,470
That's not to say that Finch Creek having these having their roads are allowing their residents to go through their private.

1267
01:54:03,950 --> 01:54:04,810
So Jamie, I have a question.

1268
01:54:04,970 --> 01:54:05,630
We would have proud.

1269
01:54:05,930 --> 01:54:07,550
Good Finch Creek town homes.

1270
01:54:08,070 --> 01:54:10,670
Have they presented any plans to us?

1271
01:54:11,170 --> 01:54:13,750
They came in from what's the density on that?

1272
01:54:13,750 --> 01:54:17,030
I don't remember the density. I've taught my head. They came in for preliminary flat and they're

1273
01:54:17,850 --> 01:54:25,810
very consistent with their agreement in terms of what we saw. The reason that they haven't moved

1274
01:54:25,810 --> 01:54:30,470
forward is goes back to the issue of we have a major collector road, Krigman-Hermann-Ross,

1275
01:54:30,590 --> 01:54:36,550
major collector road that between them and the North Village Views and Jordan Elridge and

1276
01:54:37,490 --> 01:54:45,970
college downs to make the angle work had to be relocated. That is really what's holding

1277
01:54:45,970 --> 01:54:50,810
them up from coming forward or coming back. So again, they're hoping to move forward.

1278
01:54:51,570 --> 01:54:55,050
We've already had some of this conversation with them, but that's the issue that's holding

1279
01:54:55,050 --> 01:54:59,910
them up. And I can't remember the overall density, but it's town homes, it's university

1280
01:54:59,910 --> 01:55:05,510
It's, it's that close to that six year use that the University of

1281
01:55:05,510 --> 01:55:06,430
Illegiate allows for.

1282
01:55:08,730 --> 01:55:09,850
Okay. All right.

1283
01:55:10,010 --> 01:55:11,350
I think I've got my questions answered.

1284
01:55:11,490 --> 01:55:16,510
Any other questions, Matt, Russ, Scott, are you on line still?

1285
01:55:16,570 --> 01:55:18,110
Okay. Jeremy, Scott, yes.

1286
01:55:18,250 --> 01:55:19,170
You're welcome to come off me.

1287
01:55:19,270 --> 01:55:20,890
Scott, but Jeremy, I'm here.

1288
01:55:21,670 --> 01:55:23,690
Did you, is there anything you need to ask or say?

1289
01:55:25,070 --> 01:55:28,830
Well, I, I mean, I think we should annex the property and allow and

1290
01:55:28,830 --> 01:55:36,230
build a barn and whatever we need to do to allow for the density of the county had previously allowed there to do it.

1291
01:55:39,740 --> 01:55:44,160
Jeremy, do you want to discuss this nuisance issue or any concerns you have on that?

1292
01:55:46,120 --> 01:56:01,720
Although I'll say is, I mean obviously as a city we don't want to inherit a nuisance violation so I would recommend that if we're going to move forward that we resolve the nuisance as part of this.

1293
01:56:02,440 --> 01:56:15,960
that the nuisance being kind of the existing buildings that, you know, may need to come down or be moved in some of the junk, but I think those issues can be resolved as part of this.

1294
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:26,160
And we can have some requirements in the development agreement that those issues are resolved those buildings are removed or relocated to the location that we're comfortable with.

1295
01:56:26,700 --> 01:56:31,860
all as part of the development agreement prior to getting a permit to build the barn structure.

1296
01:56:32,360 --> 01:56:35,540
That's perfect. That's what I was going to ask would it be a part of the DA?

1297
01:56:36,240 --> 01:56:37,560
One question on that, Chairman.

1298
01:56:38,780 --> 01:56:43,860
Mr. Bush, whoever wants to take a stab at it, but just the way you described the materials

1299
01:56:43,860 --> 01:56:49,180
and that you don't move them that often and that they sit until you're ready to move them or use them.

1300
01:56:50,040 --> 01:56:54,600
Rather than moving them, would we, and is it enforceable to instead say

1301
01:56:55,140 --> 01:57:16,860
You need to move them during construction, we understand there's going to be construction materials during construction, but we expect them to be housed in said building by nine months from now or whatever, you know, X, X day, and is that an enforceable thing? Is that a way that we could quote, quote, inherit an issue but have a resolution at which point we have some teeth to do something about it?

1302
01:57:16,860 --> 01:57:31,460
Yeah, and and not only is it enforceable, but if it's through a development agreement, then it's contractually enforceable, which also allows us to provide for attorney fees as part of the enforcement action, it becomes a much easier enforcement than just a code violation.

1303
01:57:32,660 --> 01:57:35,160
So I think we'd have a lot of teeth in there.

1304
01:57:36,180 --> 01:57:42,560
I think it, me, it just comes down to a matter of just trying to figure out exactly which

1305
01:57:43,170 --> 01:57:44,600
of those structures that are on there.

1306
01:57:44,700 --> 01:57:50,680
We want moved or relocated or removed, you know, resolving the issues with any of the

1307
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:55,260
other material on there making sure it's inside or in a location that's that we're comfortable

1308
01:57:55,260 --> 01:57:59,700
with, you know, maybe further away from the property lines for the neighboring property owners

1309
01:57:59,700 --> 01:58:07,020
or something like that, and then once we've resolved those issues, I think it's pretty

1310
01:58:07,020 --> 01:58:13,340
straightforward. Again, this isn't a development that's like we go and develop in the near

1311
01:58:13,340 --> 01:58:20,480
future. I think we can include our normal provisions that we include in these agreements

1312
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:28,120
about open space funding and other requirements that we typically include, but otherwise

1313
01:58:28,120 --> 01:58:36,180
it should be pretty simple. Thank you. Has anybody on staff, Jeremy, maybe officer price? Has anyone

1314
01:58:36,180 --> 01:58:44,120
done an on-site inspection to look at those nuisance issues? So I did go out to site to look at it

1315
01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:49,640
myself. So what I did not do is I did not go out there with our code enforcement officer or

1316
01:58:49,640 --> 01:58:57,640
any have not dug a lot into our nuisance code on this issue. I went out there as I was informed about

1317
01:58:57,640 --> 01:59:04,840
it by by a neighbor. So I wanted to make sure I understood what the extent is. And the the images are

1318
01:59:05,420 --> 01:59:10,700
are very accurate as to what I observed. So as well as I took a couple photos. So

1319
01:59:10,700 --> 01:59:17,060
so you did did you have any dramatic concerns or or what do you think when you're with your cursory

1320
01:59:17,060 --> 01:59:24,380
examination? So I do think if this were in the city today, there I think the the keeping in the

1321
01:59:24,380 --> 01:59:31,900
materials based on the zoning that we're talking about, or even the zoning that would be in place,

1322
01:59:33,020 --> 01:59:38,660
there would be some issues and violations pertaining to the keeping of the materials.

1323
01:59:39,480 --> 01:59:43,500
Typically, something like this is done more in the industrial where you would have a contractor

1324
01:59:44,060 --> 01:59:48,620
to keep materials in the industrial yard. They have a yard for those types of things.

1325
01:59:50,820 --> 01:59:58,140
Looking into the shed itself, I can't say at this point whether or not we would have a

1326
01:59:58,140 --> 01:59:59,900
clear violation there but I definitely think

1327
02:00:00,140 --> 02:00:25,980
We are new since ordinance talks about keeping of materials and so I do think there would be a concern there from our city code as well. Again, I think to Jeremy's point, I think Aaron's, is that could we do something to say here's a time frame in which you get this cleaned up based on occupancy or the barn being built. I think that's a middle ground that we could look to.

1328
02:00:28,230 --> 02:00:31,350
All righty. Anything else? Okay.

1329
02:00:31,350 --> 02:00:34,210
Okay, we're going to open it up for the public comment now.

1330
02:00:34,910 --> 02:00:38,610
And if you don't mind, Ken, you'll probably have to scoot out of the way because people

1331
02:00:38,610 --> 02:00:42,690
can come up now to the microphone and be able to state their public comment.

1332
02:00:43,150 --> 02:00:49,370
All right, we ask you when this is opened, that you come up, state your name, you'll have

1333
02:00:49,370 --> 02:00:53,170
three minutes, sometimes that time or work and sometimes it doesn't, okay?

1334
02:00:53,950 --> 02:00:55,830
Well, we'll see, but tell us your name.

1335
02:00:55,970 --> 02:01:00,710
On the property next to Gary, if you could pull those pictures up again of the one corner

1336
02:01:00,710 --> 02:01:04,230
lot that had all the heavy equipment on it and stuff.

1337
02:01:04,430 --> 02:01:07,650
That lot, Gary, I must not have been on to his property in a while because that lot

1338
02:01:07,650 --> 02:01:08,610
has all been cleaned up.

1339
02:01:08,730 --> 02:01:11,050
The county went to him, he came in compliance.

1340
02:01:11,730 --> 02:01:18,070
Gary has not, I've been his neighbor for over 20 some years, that has all been cleaned up.

1341
02:01:18,150 --> 02:01:19,610
Could you go to his property, please now?

1342
02:01:24,150 --> 02:01:28,310
That building right there in the back corner there, he was red flagged twice, maybe three

1343
02:01:28,310 --> 02:01:34,170
times on it because in the county code in Wasatch County, you can't have auxiliary buildings

1344
02:01:34,170 --> 02:01:35,650
without a primary residence.

1345
02:01:36,070 --> 02:01:37,790
You go over to the left side of here.

1346
02:01:38,070 --> 02:01:40,430
There's another building that he built without codes.

1347
02:01:40,630 --> 02:01:41,830
You got to the next slide.

1348
02:01:42,550 --> 02:01:45,090
Back in the corner, very far back corner there.

1349
02:01:45,630 --> 02:01:47,050
There's another building he built.

1350
02:01:47,350 --> 02:01:48,170
You can't, right there.

1351
02:01:48,350 --> 02:01:49,810
You can see it behind the telephone pole.

1352
02:01:50,170 --> 02:01:51,550
He never got a permit for that.

1353
02:01:51,890 --> 02:01:54,070
Is it the, it's not the dumpster?

1354
02:01:54,390 --> 02:01:55,390
Or is it the sloped roof?

1355
02:01:55,810 --> 02:01:56,490
Is this sloped building?

1356
02:01:56,490 --> 02:01:56,970
That's another one.

1357
02:01:57,070 --> 02:01:58,050
That's right on the property.

1358
02:01:58,050 --> 02:01:58,990
You could be on my property.

1359
02:01:58,990 --> 02:01:59,810
It's on the property line.

1360
02:01:59,910 --> 02:02:01,850
These property lines are all messed up up there.

1361
02:02:02,430 --> 02:02:05,630
There's always construction waste that's been over there for 20 years.

1362
02:02:05,750 --> 02:02:07,490
I had to build a fence to hide this stuff.

1363
02:02:07,830 --> 02:02:09,110
It's not usable stuff.

1364
02:02:09,550 --> 02:02:16,390
If you come down further from there, there's more steel, i-beams, old doors behind this shed here that he put in.

1365
02:02:16,530 --> 02:02:18,070
I had to build that fence to hide it.

1366
02:02:19,330 --> 02:02:26,370
Also, I don't have enough time here, he's been read flag multiple times.

1367
02:02:26,370 --> 02:02:32,130
Mr. County right now has a criminal case against him, for code violations, illegal buildings.

1368
02:02:32,490 --> 02:02:34,770
He's supposed to go to court in two months over this.

1369
02:02:36,010 --> 02:02:40,110
The planning commission gave him, planning department gave him multiple times to come into compliance.

1370
02:02:40,290 --> 02:02:41,370
He never did anything.

1371
02:02:41,710 --> 02:02:45,030
He kept putting them off and now I got to go down to this really quick.

1372
02:02:45,970 --> 02:02:46,950
I'm not going to cut you off.

1373
02:02:46,950 --> 02:02:48,530
You go ahead, I asked you some questions.

1374
02:02:48,550 --> 02:02:50,170
You feel free to go on for another couple of months.

1375
02:02:50,210 --> 02:02:52,850
Sorry, he's set to go to trial couple months.

1376
02:02:52,850 --> 02:03:15,070
My neighbors and I aren't anti-heat or however both applicants and involve neighbors parcels and up destroying my land and that of my neighbors now the existing private road is only 14 feet wide it can't be wide because my drainfields are Mike Johnson is quoting a U dot study that's not even a draft form and therefore it's inappropriate and indigenous to state U dot will.

1377
02:03:15,070 --> 02:03:22,130
Well, this indigenous to state U dot will, to state U dot will eminent domain.

1378
02:03:22,130 --> 02:03:24,150
Our parcel is in territory on our family homes.

1379
02:03:24,650 --> 02:03:30,170
Mr. Bush has no intention of giving the city additional housing affordable otherwise as

1380
02:03:30,170 --> 02:03:35,430
stated by Mr. Bush's energy engineer Mike Johnson, who is the city councilman.

1381
02:03:35,830 --> 02:03:39,410
And this was in the paper and it's what Mr. Johnson said.

1382
02:03:39,950 --> 02:03:42,810
So now he's saying he wants to build just this barn.

1383
02:03:42,810 --> 02:03:51,450
I mean, I don't, this is the road's not wide enough that I say he has no access, so I have 19 seconds.

1384
02:03:51,450 --> 02:03:52,410
What else I'd leave out?

1385
02:03:54,890 --> 02:04:00,030
So the city going to go after him with all these little buildings and stuff, this is a bunch

1386
02:04:00,030 --> 02:04:00,490
of junk.

1387
02:04:01,510 --> 02:04:02,910
There's nothing usable wood there.

1388
02:04:03,010 --> 02:04:04,470
It's been sitting there for 20 years.

1389
02:04:05,370 --> 02:04:06,010
Thank you.

1390
02:04:09,520 --> 02:04:10,360
Thank you, sir.

1391
02:04:12,060 --> 02:04:14,840
Can we just re-examine those pictures again really quick?

1392
02:04:14,840 --> 02:04:23,820
So, Mr. Dixon is saying that the sloped roof building with a porch, the dumpster that's

1393
02:04:23,820 --> 02:04:28,560
in front of it to the side, are those on your property?

1394
02:04:29,000 --> 02:04:30,340
That is on my property, yes.

1395
02:04:31,060 --> 02:04:31,280
Okay.

1396
02:04:31,480 --> 02:04:36,240
That building back there was grandfathered, that was built prior to my purchase.

1397
02:04:37,580 --> 02:04:39,840
That's been there for over 20 years.

1398
02:04:40,700 --> 02:04:44,280
And then what about this white box type structure?

1399
02:04:44,280 --> 02:04:46,060
That's Mr. Dixon's property.

1400
02:04:46,380 --> 02:04:46,640
That's his property.

1401
02:04:46,640 --> 02:04:47,620
He's got a bunch of.

1402
02:04:48,340 --> 02:04:48,580
Okay.

1403
02:04:48,840 --> 02:04:52,420
And then the gray building is Mr. Dixon's also?

1404
02:04:52,600 --> 02:04:52,840
That's correct.

1405
02:04:53,280 --> 02:04:53,660
Okay.

1406
02:04:53,900 --> 02:04:55,720
And then this is yours, the brown one.

1407
02:04:55,860 --> 02:04:56,000
Yes.

1408
02:04:56,420 --> 02:04:56,700
Okay.

1409
02:04:56,860 --> 02:05:00,820
And then the fence that's there, assuming Mr. Dixon put in, is that right?

1410
02:05:01,140 --> 02:05:02,180
So that's your fence.

1411
02:05:02,740 --> 02:05:05,920
And then when we come over even farther to the left, please.

1412
02:05:07,060 --> 02:05:08,240
Whose house is that?

1413
02:05:08,540 --> 02:05:09,460
That's Mr. Whitehouse.

1414
02:05:09,620 --> 02:05:10,280
That's your house.

1415
02:05:10,500 --> 02:05:10,760
Okay.

1416
02:05:10,760 --> 02:05:17,360
Okay, so where Mr. Bush, where's the location of the steel that's on this property?

1417
02:05:18,020 --> 02:05:23,980
There's some steel to the left, Jamie, right there, now a little bit to the left of the

1418
02:05:23,980 --> 02:05:25,500
wood pile, right there, right there.

1419
02:05:27,100 --> 02:05:36,280
And then there's, well, let's just kind of pan slowly to the right, please.

1420
02:05:40,450 --> 02:05:42,230
And is that home livable?

1421
02:05:42,870 --> 02:05:43,610
which home?

1422
02:05:44,150 --> 02:05:46,890
This one with a sloped roof and the seaming porch on front.

1423
02:05:47,030 --> 02:05:51,650
No, no, no, no, that's 180 square feet.

1424
02:05:53,430 --> 02:05:55,670
It just sits on center blocks.

1425
02:05:56,790 --> 02:05:58,570
So there's no one in the property?

1426
02:05:58,690 --> 02:06:00,430
No, no, no, no, no utilities.

1427
02:06:00,690 --> 02:06:03,150
No electricity, no water, no sewer, nothing.

1428
02:06:03,450 --> 02:06:06,190
It looks like an Australian outback home, okay?

1429
02:06:07,190 --> 02:06:11,330
No, there's a shed roof on the side there

1430
02:06:11,330 --> 02:06:15,250
that makes it look that way. But it's just okay. And then what is in the dumpster?

1431
02:06:16,270 --> 02:06:26,990
The dumpster just recently put there and I am slowly, which is breaking my heart,

1432
02:06:27,210 --> 02:06:33,030
putting that material that would into the dumpster. And there seems to be a pile of wood

1433
02:06:33,030 --> 02:06:36,210
by the dumpster, too, right there?

1434
02:06:37,710 --> 02:06:46,070
It's a, it's a, there's a, there's a, a palette of brick there and there's a, there's

1435
02:06:46,070 --> 02:06:47,810
a palette leaning against the dumpster.

1436
02:06:48,250 --> 02:06:50,190
Again, that's only been there for a couple of weeks.

1437
02:06:50,810 --> 02:06:58,250
Okay, so just, just asking, that's where I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I, again, well, you're welcome

1438
02:06:58,250 --> 02:07:02,370
to submit those pictures, too, because, you know, obviously, we need to deal with

1439
02:07:02,370 --> 02:07:06,790
and did you submit it to the Planning Commission?

1440
02:07:11,010 --> 02:07:11,950
Did we see that?

1441
02:07:12,790 --> 02:07:17,250
I'm so sorry that we have not been able to remember that.

1442
02:07:17,270 --> 02:07:22,350
Sure, but I think it's important for your pictures to be sent to our city attorney.

1443
02:07:22,790 --> 02:07:29,110
And Jeremy, if you can give them a card, then we can make sure to verify what you're showing.

1444
02:07:29,350 --> 02:07:29,610
Okay?

1445
02:07:30,230 --> 02:07:31,270
I appreciate that.

1446
02:07:31,430 --> 02:07:36,670
Now Jeremy, if you've got a card to help him get that to you, and then we can work with

1447
02:07:36,670 --> 02:07:43,630
our code officer just to really assess, you know, and compare what your concerns are.

1448
02:07:43,890 --> 02:07:48,710
We appreciate you coming because we would need to deal with this in a future development

1449
02:07:48,710 --> 02:07:51,890
agreement if this annexation goes forward.

1450
02:07:54,640 --> 02:07:55,660
Hang on one second.

1451
02:07:56,180 --> 02:07:59,240
Is there anyone else that wants to come forward and give a public comment?

1452
02:08:00,280 --> 02:08:03,740
Please, let's let the others come forward and then you can take another turn.

1453
02:08:04,340 --> 02:08:05,020
Go ahead, please.

1454
02:08:05,020 --> 02:08:13,920
I'm Theresa Wardell and I live two houses down from you and the road, I think, me and Mike,

1455
02:08:14,060 --> 02:08:15,940
is the only one that keeps it plowed.

1456
02:08:17,620 --> 02:08:19,140
You can't widen it.

1457
02:08:19,820 --> 02:08:21,880
Otherwise, you're going to be taken out our homes.

1458
02:08:23,620 --> 02:08:29,280
Well, we're not planning to do that, but U.D. might have plans and you're welcome to stay

1459
02:08:29,280 --> 02:08:34,480
to the U.D. presentation, which is coming up in just shortly after this public hearing.

1460
02:08:34,480 --> 02:08:40,020
And you're right because all of our like if we do culinary water it's all under that road

1461
02:08:40,020 --> 02:08:41,880
So I'm not sure how that would go

1462
02:08:41,880 --> 02:08:47,500
But as far as his property I lived there for 17 years and it's never been touched

1463
02:08:48,140 --> 02:08:52,880
Uh, the roads never been touched as far as like any cleanup on his property

1464
02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:54,800
Okay, like

1465
02:08:56,260 --> 02:09:03,200
Stuff stored everywhere it causes the animals to come and dig in our property because that's where they're living under your junk

1466
02:09:06,810 --> 02:09:09,290
So, anyway, I just wonder to say that.

1467
02:09:09,650 --> 02:09:10,650
Thank you very much, Tristan.

1468
02:09:10,830 --> 02:09:12,590
Is there anyone else who would like to come forward?

1469
02:09:20,860 --> 02:09:24,560
Homework, if you wouldn't mind giving it to our police officer, please, he's the one

1470
02:09:24,560 --> 02:09:28,140
that's supposed to vet all that stuff, and then you're welcome to go to the podium.

1471
02:09:33,100 --> 02:09:33,320
Are you,

1472
02:09:37,250 --> 02:09:39,130
Mr. Meryl?

1473
02:09:39,470 --> 02:09:39,690
I am.

1474
02:09:40,190 --> 02:09:41,070
All right, please go ahead.

1475
02:09:41,730 --> 02:09:45,590
Well, my concern is just the dog park, and first of all, I want to thank the council for

1476
02:09:45,590 --> 02:09:54,110
the throwing money to support the dog park, but there's a couple of issues that have kind of come up that have tried to address.

1477
02:09:54,430 --> 02:10:01,410
Sir, just so you know, if you want to talk about this public hearing, we want to hear what you have to say.

1478
02:10:01,770 --> 02:10:10,890
If you have a different issue on the dog park, we will get to you in about probably 10 or 15 minutes.

1479
02:10:13,370 --> 02:10:17,950
Yeah, the regular public comments, not the public hearing, public comments, I'm so sorry

1480
02:10:17,950 --> 02:10:18,590
to make you wait.

1481
02:10:18,710 --> 02:10:19,150
Oh, no worries.

1482
02:10:19,250 --> 02:10:20,110
Thank you very much.

1483
02:10:20,490 --> 02:10:20,890
Okay.

1484
02:10:20,970 --> 02:10:22,210
And we do have your information.

1485
02:10:22,870 --> 02:10:23,270
Okay.

1486
02:10:23,490 --> 02:10:26,110
I was wondering if you had a dog park on your property there.

1487
02:10:26,630 --> 02:10:26,970
Okay.

1488
02:10:27,050 --> 02:10:31,670
Is there anyone else who wants to come up for the public hearing on this annexation?

1489
02:10:33,010 --> 02:10:33,410
Okay.

1490
02:10:33,450 --> 02:10:34,370
Let me go online.

1491
02:10:34,950 --> 02:10:38,170
Is there anyone online that would either like to come off mute?

1492
02:10:38,750 --> 02:10:43,330
Raise your hand and give a comment for the annexation public carrying.

1493
02:10:44,050 --> 02:10:46,130
Robin, can you see if anyone's raising their hand?

1494
02:10:47,610 --> 02:10:47,730
Okay.

1495
02:10:50,550 --> 02:10:55,230
Mr. Dixon, if you would like to give another comment, you're welcome to before we wrap this up.

1496
02:10:55,350 --> 02:10:56,570
I'm not seeing anyone online.

1497
02:10:57,450 --> 02:10:58,290
It's your choice.

1498
02:10:59,390 --> 02:11:04,430
I'm concerned, too, as Mr. Bush is showing, but he doesn't care about the codes or rules or laws or anything.

1499
02:11:04,430 --> 02:11:08,310
So he annex and him what's going to stop him from building more buildings without permits and

1500
02:11:09,250 --> 02:11:14,270
These it's it's this ridiculous that you have a city councilman that's his engineer. I mean

1501
02:11:15,130 --> 02:11:19,670
Sure, that's not a conflict of interest. Is it or not? He disclosed the conflict of interest

1502
02:11:20,710 --> 02:11:22,770
Thank you. All right any other

1503
02:11:22,770 --> 02:11:27,050
Comments I did find your email Mr. Dixon and there were no pictures attached to it

1504
02:11:27,050 --> 02:11:29,090
From June 3rd, 2024

1505
02:11:29,090 --> 02:11:33,930
So if you want to just that address worked. It's just a paragraph. There's no pictures on it

1506
02:11:33,930 --> 02:11:37,470
And if you want to resend it or attach the pictures, that'd be helpful.

1507
02:11:38,130 --> 02:11:41,230
Okay, I've still not seen anybody come off mute online.

1508
02:11:41,230 --> 02:11:52,870
So I will close the public hearing for the proposed ordinance 2025-25 Bush annexation and turn it back over to council, Jamie, Mr. Bush.

1509
02:11:53,490 --> 02:11:55,550
Like does anybody want to say anything else?

1510
02:11:55,550 --> 02:11:59,850
Because it sounds like we've got a few issues to work out before this is brought back.

1511
02:12:00,310 --> 02:12:01,630
Jamie, do you have anything else?

1512
02:12:01,630 --> 02:12:06,770
I was going to say Mr Dixon he can I think he has my contact but if he gets me this stuff

1513
02:12:06,770 --> 02:12:11,450
I'm happy to forward that to our attorney and to the council but no, I think that these are the issues we

1514
02:12:12,270 --> 02:12:16,510
We want to discuss with you council. Yes, if there are future code violations

1515
02:12:16,510 --> 02:12:19,130
We will have to address them just like any other property in the city

1516
02:12:19,130 --> 02:12:23,850
But I think what's before us we're looking for direction and to see how you'd like to proceed

1517
02:12:24,410 --> 02:12:25,650
Council my thoughts would be

1518
02:12:27,950 --> 02:12:36,390
I'd like to see application come back or a changed plan come back that better reflects what Mr. Bush said he wants to do, which is to build a barn.

1519
02:12:37,210 --> 02:12:42,450
I think we received a little bit of comment, or I received some comment from some some residents.

1520
02:12:43,190 --> 02:12:53,730
And then we also as a council received comment from one of our county counselors about thinking about the ERUs and what we would allow versus not allow and zoning changes.

1521
02:12:53,730 --> 02:12:56,530
and it doesn't appear that Mr. Bush wants all of that.

1522
02:12:56,870 --> 02:13:01,230
I could understand why he potentially want to go through this process now before any

1523
02:13:01,230 --> 02:13:07,050
kind of a UDOT decision that might, in the future, include imminent domain and valuation

1524
02:13:07,050 --> 02:13:07,550
of land.

1525
02:13:07,690 --> 02:13:10,570
That all makes sense to me, and I'm not actually saying that's what it is, but it makes sense

1526
02:13:10,570 --> 02:13:12,070
why he might want to think that way.

1527
02:13:12,630 --> 02:13:19,510
But for what it's worth, Councillor, if he came back with a changed layout that includes

1528
02:13:19,510 --> 02:13:23,710
a barn and a timeline that's realistic for cleaning up materials and housing materials

1529
02:13:24,210 --> 02:13:36,710
and removing or remedying anything that would be out of compliance, and specifically a development agreement that states or that agrees to not doing anything else without coming back again and asking for something else, I'd approve that.

1530
02:13:37,130 --> 02:13:43,070
So that's where I'm at on it. It makes good sense what he's asking for. I just don't see what he's asking for and what we looked at tonight.

1531
02:13:44,130 --> 02:13:50,150
So I kind of agree with you Aaron, the timeline is huge, you know, we heard from

1532
02:13:50,150 --> 02:13:54,870
concerned citizens that, you know, the property is set like this for a while

1533
02:13:54,870 --> 02:14:01,010
and it just needs to be cleaned up. In my opinion, if it comes in and we set

1534
02:14:01,010 --> 02:14:07,710
timelines, definitely we have stuff to go after and and go after him and make

1535
02:14:07,710 --> 02:14:14,430
sure it happens. And with that, hopefully that would appease the neighbors and make them happy,

1536
02:14:14,810 --> 02:14:19,510
you know. From the infrastructure and stuff like that, yeah, that's going to come. UDOT's going

1537
02:14:19,510 --> 02:14:27,530
to tell hopefully here soon what's going to happen on 40 and what the impacts of these

1538
02:14:27,530 --> 02:14:35,570
neighbors are going to be. But from annexation, as long as we stay true to what the county has,

1539
02:14:35,570 --> 02:14:43,590
You know, the density or what's around it and that's why the development to the South, I wanted to understand what was there.

1540
02:14:43,930 --> 02:14:47,930
As long as the density is appropriate, I'm fine with it.

1541
02:14:48,290 --> 02:14:57,230
So again, what it will do is incentivize or push Mr. Bush and getting that done sooner and later.

1542
02:14:57,230 --> 02:14:59,470
So, in timeline it's

1543
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,980
Is huge, and I agree with you, Aaron. We need that in the, if we annex and in the development agreement, we need a timeline to make sure that happens. So that's what I have. Scott Phillips online. Is there anything you'd like to say? Nothing to add at this time. Okay. I'm concerned that any development agreement shows a good faith effort on your part, Mr. Bush, to get the property cleaned up.

1544
02:15:29,980 --> 02:15:33,760
up and come into compliance before your annexed, okay?

1545
02:15:34,320 --> 02:15:38,800
If we do not ask that, Councillor, I'd like for you to consider then we're kicking

1546
02:15:38,800 --> 02:15:40,300
that can down the road.

1547
02:15:40,840 --> 02:15:44,740
I know there's a lot of materials there, but you can certainly hear the neighbor's concerns

1548
02:15:44,740 --> 02:15:47,860
and the county's concerns also.

1549
02:15:48,660 --> 02:15:50,520
So here we go, right?

1550
02:15:50,880 --> 02:15:52,680
It's time to take care of things up there.

1551
02:15:53,220 --> 02:15:59,060
I would really like Jamie and Jeremy for you to check with the county to see if that

1552
02:15:59,060 --> 02:16:02,920
lean to outback building, I'm calling, is grandfathered.

1553
02:16:03,140 --> 02:16:04,000
Yeah, we can verify.

1554
02:16:04,480 --> 02:16:10,940
I need you to verify if that's, and as well as the other outbuildings, are they grandfathered?

1555
02:16:11,180 --> 02:16:16,520
Are they not? I'm sure that's part of the nuisance complaint that is happening here.

1556
02:16:18,120 --> 02:16:21,480
Has the Board of Health ever gotten involved in this nuisance complaint?

1557
02:16:22,340 --> 02:16:27,380
We wouldn't, we are not aware of any, we're not aware of all the details of that, so I couldn't speak

1558
02:16:27,380 --> 02:16:33,260
to that? Well, again, now that the animals have been mentioned here by Tristan, they might,

1559
02:16:33,840 --> 02:16:38,720
who knows, I don't know, but I'm just saying there's not only got to be a plan, there has to be

1560
02:16:38,720 --> 02:16:45,880
good faith movement before me, myself, and I would be interested in pursuing the development agreement.

1561
02:16:46,040 --> 02:16:50,660
That's me. I don't get to vote on this. The other council members will get to vote on this.

1562
02:16:50,660 --> 02:16:59,080
I'm also lary about, again, the density in this area given the uncertainty with what

1563
02:16:59,080 --> 02:17:06,820
UDOT could be designing at this point and trying to not allow high-density accesses

1564
02:17:06,820 --> 02:17:12,260
off of frontage roads, collector roads and such, you know, given our previous discussion

1565
02:17:12,260 --> 02:17:14,400
earlier this time.

1566
02:17:14,900 --> 02:17:18,880
Okay, anything else that anyone wants to give direction to staff on?

1567
02:17:18,880 --> 02:17:19,780
Do

1568
02:17:22,370 --> 02:17:25,990
you feel clear about what the council is saying, Mr. Bush and Mike?

1569
02:17:29,260 --> 02:17:35,720
I sounds like you wanted to come back with a modified development agreement.

1570
02:17:37,220 --> 02:17:39,100
Well, this is my voice there.

1571
02:17:39,320 --> 02:17:46,220
I'm just trying to bounce it back, but I just want you to know that I want to be compliant.

1572
02:17:46,920 --> 02:17:50,620
And a lot of this material could go into the building of the barn.

1573
02:17:50,620 --> 02:18:04,240
and the sooner I'm able to do that, the sooner I feel I can be compliant and I don't have

1574
02:18:04,240 --> 02:18:07,840
an option with the county, they're really forcing me this route.

1575
02:18:08,100 --> 02:18:14,660
So in order for me to be compliant, I really kind of need to be annexed with some kind

1576
02:18:14,660 --> 02:18:24,040
of a development agreement, and I'm very comfortable with the time frame and very rigid time

1577
02:18:24,740 --> 02:18:36,640
and conditions with penalty or whatever, because I, again, want to be compliant, I don't

1578
02:18:36,640 --> 02:18:44,280
want to be rogue, I don't want to upset neighbors, I don't want to be, I just don't, I want

1579
02:18:44,280 --> 02:18:46,160
to be compliant, I can't say that enough.

1580
02:18:47,020 --> 02:18:50,080
I think we have direction and I think the modification

1581
02:18:50,600 --> 02:18:53,080
of the development agreement and some,

1582
02:18:53,800 --> 02:18:57,580
and if you want to send pictures and all that,

1583
02:18:57,740 --> 02:19:02,000
I think research, what Mayor said about grandfathering

1584
02:19:02,000 --> 02:19:06,100
in that, that gives us a good context of reality

1585
02:19:06,100 --> 02:19:08,540
and what actually has happened on this property.

1586
02:19:08,640 --> 02:19:10,760
We can get some clarity on some of those questions.

1587
02:19:10,760 --> 02:19:14,740
I think we as staff understand what direction you're going.

1588
02:19:15,320 --> 02:19:24,340
Well, I think it's important for the City Council to know what the county nuisance report is and what their codes are and how that all works, too.

1589
02:19:24,460 --> 02:19:29,500
We do not want to circumvent the standards at this point, right?

1590
02:19:29,560 --> 02:19:31,600
We need to understand them, make sure they're addressed.

1591
02:19:32,900 --> 02:19:37,500
And just for clarity, again, my voice is only one voice up here.

1592
02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:45,240
What I was saying was, if you came back with a plan and an agreement to receive significantly

1593
02:19:45,240 --> 02:19:49,340
lower density than what you currently have through the county, and what we've seen

1594
02:19:49,340 --> 02:19:55,660
asked for tonight, in exchange for building a barn while not in exchange for, along with

1595
02:19:55,660 --> 02:20:01,680
building a barn and a rapid timeframe of clean up and compliance, I'd be a yes.

1596
02:20:02,040 --> 02:20:07,220
I tend to be a no when people ask for right at the maximum density they can ask for.

1597
02:20:07,560 --> 02:20:09,740
Like, you know, that tends to give a no for me.

1598
02:20:09,960 --> 02:20:15,100
I'm only one voice, but I'm saying I love the idea of building a barn, leaving it mostly open,

1599
02:20:15,360 --> 02:20:18,540
cleaning the stuff up and being in compliance. That's fantastic in my mind.

1600
02:20:19,020 --> 02:20:21,960
Again, I'm only one voice, but that's what I would like to see.

1601
02:20:23,080 --> 02:20:25,400
Okay, thank you very much, Council.

1602
02:20:25,660 --> 02:20:29,260
Thank you very much for coming and we will proceed, right?

1603
02:20:29,740 --> 02:20:30,780
Staff has direction.

1604
02:20:31,560 --> 02:20:35,780
Everyone, we're moving on to our next agenda items and then we'll get to those public comments.

1605
02:20:36,020 --> 02:20:37,340
Pretty quick, Mr. Merrill, you'll see.

1606
02:20:37,960 --> 02:20:40,460
So the next agenda item is the consent agenda.

1607
02:20:40,840 --> 02:20:43,740
There are three things on the consent agenda, everyone.

1608
02:20:44,320 --> 02:20:46,580
We're skipping number three, all right?

1609
02:20:46,720 --> 02:20:48,380
That's, we'll continue that.

1610
02:20:48,380 --> 02:20:56,120
So, the first item is the August 26, 2025, special meeting primary election canvas minutes.

1611
02:20:56,640 --> 02:21:03,220
And then there's also resolution 2025-14, which is the shift differential for the hourly

1612
02:21:03,220 --> 02:21:05,200
administrative staff sherry is here.

1613
02:21:05,740 --> 02:21:13,220
And then the last one with Mindy being here is ordinance 2025-24, updating the utility applications

1614
02:21:13,220 --> 02:21:18,260
to remove rental accounts. And we discussed that last time. Thank you, Mindy, for getting

1615
02:21:18,260 --> 02:21:23,680
that done so quickly. So, Council, any questions, comments or motions on the consent agenda?

1616
02:21:24,400 --> 02:21:26,260
I move to approve the consent agenda.

1617
02:21:27,280 --> 02:21:32,480
Okay. And you'll second. Okay. We're ready for a vote. Any further discussion?

1618
02:21:33,120 --> 02:21:36,440
One thing though. He did not say we're moving number three. Does he need to?

1619
02:21:36,780 --> 02:21:41,600
You'll likely need to do that, Scott. Could you remove it in the item number three?

1620
02:21:41,600 --> 02:21:45,780
I move to approve the consent agenda. Minus number three.

1621
02:21:46,500 --> 02:21:50,220
Second. All right. Thank you very much. Okay. We'll start on this end with you.

1622
02:21:50,400 --> 02:21:53,980
Sid and then Scott, you'll be last. Yes. Yes. Yes.

1623
02:21:54,040 --> 02:22:01,040
Scott, thank you. That passes four to zero with one because it's used to ask for a quick

1624
02:22:01,040 --> 02:22:05,400
council break. Maybe like a three minute something like that. Yes. Just would like to have a

1625
02:22:05,400 --> 02:22:09,040
restroom break without doing that during public comments because I want to hear from the public.

1626
02:22:10,060 --> 02:22:13,960
I will allow that motion, but I need a second.

1627
02:22:14,560 --> 02:22:15,020
Second.

1628
02:22:15,620 --> 02:22:16,780
Thank you, Skid, Sid.

1629
02:22:17,600 --> 02:22:19,800
And then, Sid, will you start the vote?

1630
02:22:20,160 --> 02:22:20,860
Yes, yes.

1631
02:22:21,340 --> 02:22:21,780
Yes.

1632
02:22:22,240 --> 02:22:22,440
Yes.

1633
02:22:23,020 --> 02:22:26,160
Okay, so I'm sorry everyone, we're just going to take a five-minute break.

1634
02:22:26,780 --> 02:22:28,320
Thank you for your patience.

1635
02:22:28,960 --> 02:22:31,860
We've been here working since about four, so it's about time.

1636
02:25:13,430 --> 02:25:24,730
Thank you very much, everyone. We're back from our break. We are in our regular meeting of the Heber City Council today being September 16th, 2025.

1637
02:25:25,370 --> 02:25:38,410
It is now finally time for our regular public comments and so anyone's welcome to come forward to give a three minute public comment and tell us your name and then anyone in the chamber is done then I'll go to those of you online.

1638
02:25:43,680 --> 02:25:46,620
Yes, you're welcome to sit there to just make sure you eat the microphone.

1639
02:25:50,020 --> 02:25:52,180
I'm here to ask for your name again.

1640
02:25:53,060 --> 02:25:54,460
I am Russ Walsh.

1641
02:25:54,640 --> 02:25:54,760
Yes.

1642
02:25:56,880 --> 02:25:57,800
Russ is Mike.

1643
02:25:57,860 --> 02:25:58,500
Is it turned on?

1644
02:25:59,320 --> 02:26:00,100
I'm here tonight.

1645
02:26:00,700 --> 02:26:03,480
We spent the last couple of years.

1646
02:26:03,880 --> 02:26:03,940
Oh.

1647
02:26:04,640 --> 02:26:05,120
Okay.

1648
02:26:05,540 --> 02:26:06,660
Very good.

1649
02:26:06,800 --> 02:26:07,160
Thank you.

1650
02:26:07,460 --> 02:26:07,700
Okay.

1651
02:26:07,740 --> 02:26:08,280
I'll start over.

1652
02:26:08,440 --> 02:26:09,140
Russ Walsh.

1653
02:26:09,780 --> 02:26:13,920
I'm here tonight to talk about the celebration community been working on the last couple of years.

1654
02:26:14,600 --> 02:26:18,720
I'm really here tonight not to really make a presentation, but just a brainstorm.

1655
02:26:19,020 --> 02:26:24,340
We've spent the last two years, two and a half years collaborating with mountain lands,

1656
02:26:25,200 --> 02:26:29,940
was such housing authority and all the various entities like IHC and all the workforce people

1657
02:26:29,940 --> 02:26:35,280
that we have been meeting with on the need for housing in the county.

1658
02:26:35,860 --> 02:26:41,020
We also have an agreement with the was at school district on parking and how to arrange everything

1659
02:26:41,020 --> 02:26:42,140
at that point over there.

1660
02:26:42,140 --> 02:26:56,820
I'm here tonight just to say look, we are still in the game, want to see if we can collaborate with you on some way and portion in creating a great community over there next to the high school and that's I'm here tonight to just bring that up.

1661
02:26:57,460 --> 02:27:05,180
I notice that you're one of your goals for 2025.26 is to move the needle. I like move the needle on affordable housing.

1662
02:27:06,200 --> 02:27:12,180
We know that's a tough thing to do, but that's why I'm here just to run, I just buy you

1663
02:27:12,180 --> 02:27:15,440
or say, hey, let's get together to work session and talk to details.

1664
02:27:16,160 --> 02:27:21,820
We do have the plans, we do have a rust funk, it's done a nice job recalibrating water,

1665
02:27:21,820 --> 02:27:23,760
so it's really appropriate for apartments.

1666
02:27:24,060 --> 02:27:29,820
So we are slowly moving the needle up to maybe an ability to create affordable housing.

1667
02:27:30,360 --> 02:27:34,960
That's my purpose tonight, so I know you have questions or if you say, hey, we like to

1668
02:27:34,960 --> 02:27:41,400
schedule time to meet with Tony and your whoever you assign to start working on

1669
02:27:41,400 --> 02:27:44,920
next items and details who are trying to put together an agreement.

1670
02:27:47,140 --> 02:27:47,700
Tony can I

1671
02:27:47,700 --> 02:27:52,100
just ask what kind of is it a development agreement he's asking for I thought

1672
02:27:52,100 --> 02:28:01,800
that we were waiting on perhaps financing not the agreement. Well so Russ is you know

1673
02:28:01,800 --> 02:28:07,400
really wants to make this development affordable and as he's getting down the

1674
02:28:07,400 --> 02:28:13,000
wire to final eyes agreements with property owner and cost estimates he's

1675
02:28:13,000 --> 02:28:18,760
having some challenges and so he is actually approaching the city about the

1676
02:28:18,760 --> 02:28:22,980
potential for the city to be a financial partner in this project. Do we know

1677
02:28:22,980 --> 02:28:27,160
that we should have him come back and get it on the agenda so that people that are

1678
02:28:27,160 --> 02:28:29,720
concern can be here. Right. Right. So you're about my

1679
02:28:29,720 --> 02:28:34,220
bluntness. Exactly what we're looking for is that's what you're

1680
02:28:34,220 --> 02:28:37,400
saying. Yeah. Okay. So yes, you're more than welcome to come

1681
02:28:37,400 --> 02:28:40,260
back to a work meeting and Matt, I'm sure you can arrange that

1682
02:28:40,260 --> 02:28:42,700
with them. We'll take care of it. Place them on the next

1683
02:28:42,700 --> 02:28:45,580
available meeting. Okay. Is there anything else you want,

1684
02:28:45,700 --> 02:28:49,960
Mr. Watts? No, that's that's a mouthful. No. So again, yeah,

1685
02:28:50,000 --> 02:28:53,460
I'm for this and we need to figure this out and Jason's here

1686
02:28:53,460 --> 02:29:00,300
hopefully in support and hopefully there is potential out there from financial grants or anything

1687
02:29:00,300 --> 02:29:07,200
like that and Jason's probably the most knowledgeable about that. So yes and we have been working

1688
02:29:07,200 --> 02:29:12,980
with the Olin Walker Fund and the State Housing Authority on financing. Financing is part of the

1689
02:29:12,980 --> 02:29:17,480
really a collaboration and partnership with the cities going to pull this thing together to make it work.

1690
02:29:17,480 --> 02:29:30,680
So the question is far as you have a agreement with the school district was a county school district what's their financial or are they able to or are they willing or is there so our

1691
02:29:30,680 --> 02:29:40,460
agreement with the school district is to for them to give us property to build additional parking that we can share with both the high school and our community. That's for the

1692
02:29:40,460 --> 02:29:46,620
plan. Yeah. And that's their kind of contribution to helping get housing for teachers there. Yes.

1693
02:29:46,860 --> 02:29:51,780
I see. Okay. I'm glad you're still on the game. Look forward to talking to you. Thank you. No,

1694
02:29:51,880 --> 02:29:56,840
I appreciate you taking. Listen, this is more exciting than trying to build the barn or whatever we've

1695
02:29:56,840 --> 02:29:59,980
been working on the last little while. So thank you.

1696
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:22,180
Thank you very much. We'd like to try to move it forward. Matt, if you'll help me get on the agenda, then we can maybe be a little more specific and see if we work on. Given numbers and stuff like that. Tonight's not a time because I'm past my three minutes. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right. We're going to keep going with our public comment. Anyone else is ready? We'd like to come forward. State your name. Give your public comment and then I'll go online.

1697
02:30:25,720 --> 02:30:27,040
You are more than welcome.

1698
02:30:33,240 --> 02:31:01,280
I have a lot of issues with the dog park, and I gave you all my background there, but right now it's a muddy mess, and I've talked to Justin Pruitt, I mean, not Justin, just a random Pruitt, about fixing it up, and so he's working on that issue, and he's come back to you guys for funding and so on and so forth, but the other part of it is because one side of the park is muddy and a mess,

1699
02:31:01,280 --> 02:31:07,680
that we all tend to go to the small site and all of our dogs are various

1700
02:31:07,680 --> 02:31:11,960
sizes a couple of dozen people are down there if we go down every morning and

1701
02:31:11,960 --> 02:31:16,320
all of our dogs play with each other and they all get along fine but the dog

1702
02:31:16,320 --> 02:31:22,400
officer is bound to determine to kick everybody that's more than 35 pounds out

1703
02:31:22,400 --> 02:31:30,140
of the dog park and it's quite anxious to write tickets. There's no ordinance

1704
02:31:30,140 --> 02:31:32,760
It's city arsist, so I said anything about 35 pounds.

1705
02:31:33,460 --> 02:31:35,820
The only thing in your city ordinance is that you can,

1706
02:31:36,380 --> 02:31:39,700
you can put up a sign with the ordinance on it,

1707
02:31:39,700 --> 02:31:41,660
and it's from the city council,

1708
02:31:42,000 --> 02:31:46,520
that you can then limit the dogs, the size.

1709
02:31:47,240 --> 02:31:49,540
But 35 pounds is kind of arbitrary,

1710
02:31:50,000 --> 02:31:53,680
and he's going by the fact that there is a sign that says 35 pounds,

1711
02:31:53,800 --> 02:31:56,860
but doesn't have the ordinance, doesn't have city council on it.

1712
02:31:56,860 --> 02:32:04,380
And actually it's kind of silly because all the dogs are from puppies to great days.

1713
02:32:04,560 --> 02:32:05,780
They all play together.

1714
02:32:06,440 --> 02:32:11,600
All of us like to sit together, which is there's hardly any place to sit on the big

1715
02:32:11,600 --> 02:32:11,980
dark side.

1716
02:32:12,160 --> 02:32:17,420
There's mud or a bench on the small dark side.

1717
02:32:17,700 --> 02:32:18,960
There's more places to sit.

1718
02:32:19,260 --> 02:32:22,240
Everyone meets, we're all friends, dogs are friends.

1719
02:32:22,240 --> 02:32:31,380
And so my solution, take the sign down and let the dog owners police, the dog park.

1720
02:32:31,760 --> 02:32:37,340
If any dog comes in as aggressive, we ask them to leave or go to the other side or whatever.

1721
02:32:38,180 --> 02:32:43,440
We've never had an issue with no dogs who have ever been hurt, you know, nobody's gotten

1722
02:32:43,440 --> 02:32:44,160
knocked down.

1723
02:32:44,160 --> 02:33:01,260
So that's my concern or issue, and I'll talk to Brandon about what suggestions are to do to improve the dog park and some of the people who are down there would be happy to contribute to.

1724
02:33:01,260 --> 02:33:11,740
Thank you, Mr. Merrill, can I ask you to perhaps tell us the amount of seating that you think is needed on both sides?

1725
02:33:12,460 --> 02:33:13,540
I'm out of seating.

1726
02:33:14,200 --> 02:33:15,080
Benches and seating.

1727
02:33:16,820 --> 02:33:23,980
Well, there's often more than a dozen people, so like two picnic tables on each side.

1728
02:33:23,980 --> 02:33:33,080
And I've talked to their respective tables that are there that have never been used that are up by the park, the kids park part of it.

1729
02:33:33,640 --> 02:33:36,660
If they just get moved down and solve it.

1730
02:33:36,920 --> 02:33:37,400
Okay.

1731
02:33:37,920 --> 02:33:46,480
They did bring in a culvert which is great because a doctor played through the culvert and it's and it's easy to sell a few more of those.

1732
02:33:46,480 --> 02:33:56,460
So stuff that you know like that line and then the repair he just wanted to bring in gravel. It needs to be concrete because around the seating areas.

1733
02:33:57,420 --> 02:33:58,360
It's not muddy.

1734
02:33:58,860 --> 02:34:13,680
If anyone wanted to go check something park and park city near the hospital is what a dog park should look like. So so that's my concern and I'm going to take my oversized dog to the park in the morning.

1735
02:34:13,680 --> 02:34:16,780
and I hope I don't get a ticket.

1736
02:34:18,180 --> 02:34:19,220
All right.

1737
02:34:19,600 --> 02:34:21,700
We appreciate that very much.

1738
02:34:21,800 --> 02:34:23,000
Thank you very much for this input.

1739
02:34:25,560 --> 02:34:27,460
Is there anyone else in the chamber

1740
02:34:27,460 --> 02:34:29,800
or anyone online that would like to come off me

1741
02:34:29,800 --> 02:34:31,500
to raise your hand for a public comment

1742
02:34:31,980 --> 02:34:33,580
on any subject you would like?

1743
02:34:38,080 --> 02:34:39,920
Okay, I'm not seeing anyone online.

1744
02:34:41,120 --> 02:34:43,460
Robin, you're not seeing anyone raise their hand, right?

1745
02:34:44,200 --> 02:34:44,620
Okay.

1746
02:34:44,980 --> 02:34:46,860
I'm going to close the public comments now.

1747
02:34:46,980 --> 02:34:47,980
Thank you very much.

1748
02:34:47,980 --> 02:34:57,840
We are going to move on now to our general business items. That is an update from UDOT on the environmental impact statement for the Hebrew Valley corridor.

1749
02:34:58,520 --> 02:35:03,220
You're welcome to come forward UDOT. You know how to eat those microphones. Thank you for being here.

1750
02:35:04,720 --> 02:35:05,680
Good evening.

1751
02:35:05,680 --> 02:35:17,360
Okay, I'll come back, give me back, months went by fast, seems like it comes around every month, time flies, we're having fun.

1752
02:35:17,980 --> 02:35:34,700
Before I jump into the update, I just wanted to make sure the council was aware that we do have a public meeting next week on our US 40 widening project.

1753
02:35:35,420 --> 02:35:46,260
This is the widening project that goes from the US-4189, sorry, the 189, yeah, US-420 intersection, the hub intersection, down to Mill Road.

1754
02:35:47,400 --> 02:35:59,740
And I believe it's on your Facebook pages, but that meeting is next week, September 25th from 5 to 9 p.m.

1755
02:36:00,500 --> 02:36:11,940
It'll be at the Sheriff's Office there at 1361 South Highway 40 in the upstairs training room upstairs training room.

1756
02:36:12,880 --> 02:36:19,380
Yes, it's a that's our that was the venue we were able to define.

1757
02:36:19,780 --> 02:36:24,520
Will you discuss the light that's going in at Mill Road 2?

1758
02:36:25,300 --> 02:36:30,060
Yes, it will be part of the materials we will be presenting the light at Miller.

1759
02:36:30,760 --> 02:36:34,520
And then just really quick, I don't want to blabber the point.

1760
02:36:35,200 --> 02:36:41,520
When that light goes in, will the speed limit be dropped from that Mill Road light on South

1761
02:36:41,520 --> 02:36:43,380
Highway 40 into town?

1762
02:36:44,000 --> 02:36:46,440
Yes, we are looking at lower speed limits through that area.

1763
02:36:46,700 --> 02:36:47,400
Okay, great.

1764
02:36:47,740 --> 02:36:48,180
Thank you.

1765
02:36:48,180 --> 02:36:48,880
Welcome.

1766
02:36:51,080 --> 02:36:51,440
Okay.

1767
02:36:51,580 --> 02:36:54,360
On to the Hebrew Valley Corridor update.

1768
02:36:58,000 --> 02:37:07,720
Since we last met last month, we've continued to field questions from the public.

1769
02:37:08,610 --> 02:37:15,680
We have met on-site with a couple of property owners and we continue to answer questions

1770
02:37:15,680 --> 02:37:17,860
from the public about the project.

1771
02:37:17,860 --> 02:37:27,780
effect. And then we've also met last week with less edge counting than a couple weeks ago.

1772
02:37:27,900 --> 02:37:33,140
We also met with the town of Daniel. They requested a meeting with us. And we met at their council meeting.

1773
02:37:34,660 --> 02:37:35,600
Next slide.

1774
02:37:38,720 --> 02:37:44,380
In terms of public outreach, we're, like I mentioned, we're continuing to meet with with

1775
02:37:44,380 --> 02:37:58,360
that on request, we're happy to meet with anybody as the directed impacted properties, we're happy to meet with them and discuss the project and potential impacts that they may have on their property.

1776
02:38:01,500 --> 02:38:12,660
We are also have been in the process of doing field surveys on areas that were new.

1777
02:38:13,760 --> 02:38:19,800
areas. I guess we've just we've just completed all those field surveys but

1778
02:38:19,800 --> 02:38:24,820
environmental these are environmental surveys correct yeah we we looked at

1779
02:38:24,820 --> 02:38:36,040
some habitat one of those is the you ladies dresses and additional

1780
02:38:36,040 --> 02:38:38,340
Aquatic Resource Service for the area.

1781
02:38:39,600 --> 02:38:44,180
Okay, you ladies, you ladies dress surveys and the aquatic resource surveys for the areas

1782
02:38:44,180 --> 02:38:48,800
that the updated design would impact or designs would impact.

1783
02:38:50,100 --> 02:38:52,000
You've done all that assessment then.

1784
02:38:52,140 --> 02:38:53,720
That all assessment is now complete.

1785
02:38:55,180 --> 02:38:55,740
And

1786
02:38:57,850 --> 02:39:04,490
then of course, we're continuing to meet with your staff on a monthly basis, both with

1787
02:39:04,490 --> 02:39:06,310
the Hebrew city and Los Edge County.

1788
02:39:10,260 --> 02:39:15,020
Let's see, then just one more point there.

1789
02:39:15,340 --> 02:39:17,400
In terms of developing the document,

1790
02:39:17,580 --> 02:39:20,900
we've completed our design and we've completed our surveys

1791
02:39:20,900 --> 02:39:25,180
and we're in our final stages of completing the draft document,

1792
02:39:26,160 --> 02:39:27,760
going through some internal reviews

1793
02:39:28,880 --> 02:39:32,420
and of course, our course on schedule

1794
02:39:32,420 --> 02:39:36,200
to get that document released later this year.

1795
02:39:37,320 --> 02:39:37,820
Um,

1796
02:39:40,400 --> 02:39:42,640
anyway, that's probably all I needed to finish there.

1797
02:39:43,200 --> 02:39:54,240
Um, order the course of the last few months, you know, in conversations that we've had here at your council and, and other councils and questions that we've, that have, we've been fielding.

1798
02:39:54,540 --> 02:40:05,660
I wanted to take a few minutes and, and kind of talk about a few of these questions that we've had and, and, um, and just spend a few minutes talking about those, if I may.

1799
02:40:05,660 --> 02:40:12,140
The first conversation or the first topic I want to bring up is the 13th South segment.

1800
02:40:12,140 --> 02:40:21,340
I know that's been a topic of discussion here and just wanted to go back and just discuss

1801
02:40:21,340 --> 02:40:25,820
why it's important and how we why it's part of our study.

1802
02:40:29,100 --> 02:40:37,220
The 13th South Corridor has been part of the many of the plans over the last several

1803
02:40:37,220 --> 02:40:41,420
years, at least going back to 2006.

1804
02:40:42,020 --> 02:40:48,020
There have been a couple of studies that have been done before our study came along and

1805
02:40:48,020 --> 02:40:55,180
And all of them have recognized the need for a 13 South connection as part of the Western

1806
02:40:55,180 --> 02:40:59,140
corridor, as part of the Western corridor project.

1807
02:41:02,160 --> 02:41:08,600
Heber City back in 2007 passed a resolution to include 13 South as part of those plans

1808
02:41:08,600 --> 02:41:13,800
and as well as Wasatch County also in 2006,

1809
02:41:14,620 --> 02:41:16,680
if you might go to the next slide, Tony.

1810
02:41:17,740 --> 02:41:19,800
And Craig, I'm not going to dispute any of that.

1811
02:41:20,040 --> 02:41:22,000
And you'll continue to talk about it here.

1812
02:41:22,580 --> 02:41:24,320
It's just that resolution.

1813
02:41:24,660 --> 02:41:26,320
Those resolutions were always based

1814
02:41:26,320 --> 02:41:29,280
in an at-grade road that would be one lane

1815
02:41:29,680 --> 02:41:32,300
in each direction, and that's completely different

1816
02:41:32,300 --> 02:41:34,460
than what is being proposed here.

1817
02:41:34,920 --> 02:41:37,820
It is, and the reason for that

1818
02:41:37,820 --> 02:41:42,680
That is just because, I think, in 2006, nobody envisioned the kind of traffic that we're

1819
02:41:42,680 --> 02:41:45,660
seeing now, and so it's driven by need.

1820
02:41:48,520 --> 02:41:54,080
As we look, as we took a fresh look at it, of course, and with current traffic volumes

1821
02:41:54,080 --> 02:42:01,620
and current traffic projections, we do see a need for 13 South.

1822
02:42:01,620 --> 02:42:06,240
It continues to be a necessary connection for this to work.

1823
02:42:08,420 --> 02:42:16,960
You know, we've mentioned this before, about 50% of the traffic that will be along the western quarter will be local traffic.

1824
02:42:18,880 --> 02:42:30,580
Without that connection, we see about a 35% reduction in the amount of traffic that will be using the corridor.

1825
02:42:30,580 --> 02:42:35,160
So, you know, that's a significant number.

1826
02:42:35,860 --> 02:42:38,100
That versus, I'm sorry, Craig.

1827
02:42:38,960 --> 02:42:49,140
Is that versus no 13th or is that versus like the proposed thing we talked about last time coming partway through that sewer field and connecting back in around industrial parkway.

1828
02:42:49,440 --> 02:42:55,320
I would guess it has to be versus nothing because you didn't talk about or you weren't considering the other alternative at that point.

1829
02:42:55,980 --> 02:43:06,280
Yes, that's correct. It's 35% if that connection were not made and so that's more traffic

1830
02:43:06,280 --> 02:43:12,660
that would of course be utilizing, finding other routes, utilizing Main Street and adding

1831
02:43:12,660 --> 02:43:16,120
to the congestion that we're trying to avoid on Main Street.

1832
02:43:16,660 --> 02:43:21,380
Just to further clarify, the optional or the potential option of going a little further south

1833
02:43:21,380 --> 02:43:29,240
and kind of coming through what is now the gravel pit and using that airport road as a flyover

1834
02:43:29,240 --> 02:43:35,600
over at grade highway. That wasn't even something that was studied yet. That would be all of that

1835
02:43:35,600 --> 02:43:39,620
conversation we've had. That would be appropriate for the public to raise up as ideas when it becomes

1836
02:43:39,620 --> 02:43:46,080
public comment period. This was not something you studied yet. We've always stayed to the corridor

1837
02:43:46,080 --> 02:43:49,860
or the 13th South corridor, as has been discussed

1838
02:43:49,860 --> 02:43:52,300
in many of the studies and resolutions.

1839
02:43:52,720 --> 02:43:59,500
And so that's where we have put that in

1840
02:43:59,500 --> 02:44:00,960
where it's historically been discussed.

1841
02:44:01,940 --> 02:44:04,300
I think kind of going back in time a little bit

1842
02:44:04,300 --> 02:44:07,100
it might be helpful to if anyone recalls

1843
02:44:07,100 --> 02:44:10,780
initial versions of these alignments

1844
02:44:10,780 --> 02:44:15,620
did not have connections, local connections at 1300 South, right?

1845
02:44:15,620 --> 02:44:19,660
So, there was no connection to the kind of hub business area.

1846
02:44:20,320 --> 02:44:26,740
And what we saw when traffic values went up is that our alternatives were not performing

1847
02:44:26,740 --> 02:44:27,060
well.

1848
02:44:27,260 --> 02:44:30,260
They were not meeting the purpose and need of the project.

1849
02:44:30,460 --> 02:44:35,920
And so, when those connections were added, even though we recognized that it increases

1850
02:44:35,920 --> 02:44:41,900
the footprint, then that's when we started to get the performance that we need to get out

1851
02:44:41,900 --> 02:44:42,400
of the corridor.

1852
02:44:43,500 --> 02:44:48,220
That's great, Larry. The reason I asked the question and the only comment I've gotten

1853
02:44:48,220 --> 02:44:52,080
back since maybe two or three meetings ago, when we started the CS, the only comment I've

1854
02:44:52,080 --> 02:44:58,340
gotten back is that alignment, sure, fine. The more southern alignment idea, which I realize

1855
02:44:58,340 --> 02:44:59,280
is not part of this frame.

1856
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,900
Either one of them at grade at ground level, people have no problem with. But if 30 foot highway in the sky, everybody seems to have a problem with. So, so the reason I'm asking for the clarity isn't because of connection to the hub. It's, it's, it's. It's, it's, it's. You know, because because of meeting to keep those connections, but also keep things free flow. That is why you get that elevation, right? So I'm going to talk about that. Sound goes up doesn't go down. So by elevating,

1857
02:45:29,900 --> 02:45:36,200
you have to think it won't be as loud so I'm just think it's the only concern

1858
02:45:36,200 --> 02:45:42,060
yeah fair enough to understand it just a couple other just other comments on

1859
02:45:42,060 --> 02:45:48,380
this will move on in terms of in terms of impacts there's there's the direct

1860
02:45:48,380 --> 02:45:56,280
impacts to to to right away so to homes rep businesses and so forth the the

1861
02:45:56,280 --> 02:46:04,580
The alternative that we were currently working with has since we've been involved with this project has actually gone down in this southern area.

1862
02:46:05,340 --> 02:46:14,120
You know, we had before we had the 15 South and we were impacting the number of businesses in that with this latest iteration.

1863
02:46:14,440 --> 02:46:22,800
You know, we are we have reduced the number of those business impacts because we're having eliminated all of them of course, but we have reduced that number.

1864
02:46:22,800 --> 02:46:29,700
and we are trying very hard to keep it within that 13th South Court or you know

1865
02:46:29,700 --> 02:46:34,820
we acknowledge that there will be visual impacts, noise impacts and we're

1866
02:46:34,820 --> 02:46:39,400
evaluating those as part of as part of the study and we'll be able to you know

1867
02:46:39,400 --> 02:46:46,300
come with a little bit more when the study is released. I still can't quite

1868
02:46:46,300 --> 02:46:52,380
remember or understand what's happening on industrial parkway or 300 West

1869
02:46:52,380 --> 02:46:59,720
in this design. So is industrial parkway cut off where you either come in on the bottom

1870
02:46:59,720 --> 02:47:08,280
and then go somehow merge on to this elevated road to go east, but there's no underpass.

1871
02:47:08,680 --> 02:47:13,380
Is there an underpass for industrial parkway? Is there an underpass for 300 west? That's

1872
02:47:13,380 --> 02:47:14,440
what I'm trying to understand.

1873
02:47:15,740 --> 02:47:25,520
And there is an underpass for 300 West, there is not an underpass for industrial drive.

1874
02:47:26,160 --> 02:47:31,120
In that situation there, that's where we incorporated in the one-way frontage roads.

1875
02:47:31,980 --> 02:47:41,000
So you will be able to, with the frontage roads, go up to 300 West and if you want to come

1876
02:47:41,000 --> 02:47:46,680
back, you would basically go through that underpass and then turn and go the other direction.

1877
02:47:46,940 --> 02:47:51,040
North on industrial, you would take a right, take the front of droid to 300, go under the highway.

1878
02:47:51,560 --> 02:47:55,800
Yes. Take a left on the front of droid, back on industrial droid. Back on industrial droid.

1879
02:47:56,080 --> 02:48:01,680
This is Scott. Go ahead. Aaron, I was looking at the same thing with the

1880
02:48:02,380 --> 02:48:09,860
that 1,300 South and I was talking to a constituent about it for quite some time and I also noticed

1881
02:48:10,960 --> 02:48:20,700
doing that keeps it out of the airport, out of the airport safety zone, so it's hard to go any further south than that because of the airport as well.

1882
02:48:23,880 --> 02:48:25,020
Thanks, thanks for the additional.

1883
02:48:25,540 --> 02:48:36,020
One other reason why we wanted to keep bringing the road, we didn't want to elevate over industrial drive was.

1884
02:48:36,020 --> 02:48:41,560
That would just increase the amount of, you know, vertical and that vertical distance.

1885
02:48:41,800 --> 02:48:46,580
And so, you know, we did want to try to bring it down as quickly as we could back down

1886
02:48:46,580 --> 02:48:48,860
to existing grade at that location.

1887
02:48:49,840 --> 02:48:53,900
That was part of our design.

1888
02:48:54,040 --> 02:49:02,040
One question I have, Craig, is does you not compensate at all people who are near the road?

1889
02:49:02,320 --> 02:49:04,900
You know, not just the people where they have to emanate and domain their homes.

1890
02:49:04,900 --> 02:49:11,760
but that whole row of homes that backs up to 1300 south that's going to have an elevated highway

1891
02:49:11,760 --> 02:49:18,480
in their backyard instead of the nice view they now enjoy. Is there any way to compensate those folks

1892
02:49:18,480 --> 02:49:23,220
for that? We do not compensate for indirect impacts.

1893
02:49:25,380 --> 02:49:29,800
We can mitigate for noise, maybe there's some

1894
02:49:29,800 --> 02:49:36,260
things visually, you know, aesthetic wise that we can look at. But we do not, we do

1895
02:49:36,260 --> 02:49:43,720
not compensate for those indirect impacts. Okay. Thank you. Craig back to industrial

1896
02:49:43,720 --> 02:49:50,380
park. We now on the north side. What will the north side do when it hits your proposed

1897
02:49:50,380 --> 02:49:56,320
corridor? If you wanted to go right or left, what do you do? Let's see. I make sure I understand

1898
02:49:56,320 --> 02:50:02,360
you're coming from the north to go south and on industrial parkway and you hit this

1899
02:50:02,980 --> 02:50:11,740
Hebrew Valley corridor, can you go east? You would go east because the front road,

1900
02:50:11,900 --> 02:50:19,540
the front road on the south side there is an eastbound fronted road one way. You would come up to,

1901
02:50:19,660 --> 02:50:24,160
if you wanted to get into the neighborhood, access the neighborhood, you would come through the

1902
02:50:24,160 --> 02:50:31,500
300 west underpass and go back westbound on the front door on the other side to access those

1903
02:50:31,500 --> 02:50:37,240
need. Okay I'm so sorry I really need a mouse pointer don't I. No I do too. Tony is there any way

1904
02:50:37,240 --> 02:50:46,400
he can try to help me understand that better. Tony yeah I don't know what oh is that what it was.

1905
02:50:46,400 --> 02:50:58,500
Yeah, I'm trying to be able to explain to people in this area where they have to go to get either direction and there's business owners there, right?

1906
02:50:58,820 --> 02:51:02,820
A lot of new businesses right on the south side that you are Tony.

1907
02:51:03,380 --> 02:51:06,400
There's a confirmation you want to close this window and you keep clicking off.

1908
02:51:09,220 --> 02:51:10,380
Hold on one second.

1909
02:51:10,380 --> 02:51:10,500
Yeah.

1910
02:51:16,840 --> 02:51:19,160
We could, I don't know, we know.

1911
02:51:21,920 --> 02:51:25,380
Thank you. I

1912
02:51:33,260 --> 02:51:35,020
have to hold that mic, too, so people

1913
02:51:35,020 --> 02:51:45,770
online can hear you. They are there. I can hook

1914
02:51:48,590 --> 02:51:50,890
it up. Let's just go back to where you

1915
02:51:50,890 --> 02:51:53,310
were at. And if you can just try to draw with your mouse.

1916
02:51:53,310 --> 02:51:58,090
I mean, you could try to work on one of those little arrow type drawings for the next time.

1917
02:51:58,310 --> 02:52:02,130
Okay. Oh, yes, because it's just not making sense. You're saying there's no underpass.

1918
02:52:02,130 --> 02:52:05,410
I was really sure. Okay. If you're trying to go this way, how would you do it? Right.

1919
02:52:05,590 --> 02:52:12,890
So it's a right off, right on, only. Is there a frontage road on the north side and the south side?

1920
02:52:13,010 --> 02:52:16,630
Yes. There's a frontage. Okay. That makes more sense. Yes. There's a friend road on both sides.

1921
02:52:17,490 --> 02:52:23,290
One goes westbound and the other goes eastbound. And those are single lane frontage

1922
02:52:23,290 --> 02:52:26,090
roads, single lane, fronted roads, yes.

1923
02:52:28,500 --> 02:52:33,460
Then what kind of traffic signage would you have there,

1924
02:52:33,480 --> 02:52:40,100
not just stop signs, I assume, but I'm trying to figure out if I was coming south on industrial

1925
02:52:40,100 --> 02:52:46,740
parkway and I wanted to, you know, go down the canyon, would there be an on-ramp there that I would

1926
02:52:46,740 --> 02:52:53,800
be able to get on from coming southbound on industrial. You come down southbound on industrial,

1927
02:52:53,800 --> 02:52:58,540
You would, you would come, you would, this is, this is our eastbound friend road.

1928
02:52:58,800 --> 02:53:05,200
You would come over here to 300 West, go under, under, under the underpass here, and beyond the,

1929
02:53:05,320 --> 02:53:11,360
the westbound, and that would tie you directly onto the, the corridor at that point, and then you

1930
02:53:11,360 --> 02:53:17,440
could, you would come along, you know, the, the freeway at that point. So these, these are on ramps,

1931
02:53:17,440 --> 02:53:29,240
These these front roads come become the on ramps on to the on to the freeway. So there's no way on industrial parkway to merge on to the by-pass road in either direction.

1932
02:53:29,720 --> 02:53:30,440
Not from.

1933
02:53:30,440 --> 02:53:32,240
No, not from industrial.

1934
02:53:32,460 --> 02:53:33,360
Not from industrial.

1935
02:53:33,460 --> 02:53:34,000
Not from industrial.

1936
02:53:34,020 --> 02:53:39,420
Okay, so from industrial you have to get over to 300 west to be able to go in either direction.

1937
02:53:39,560 --> 02:53:41,920
Is that what you're saying on the corridor?

1938
02:53:43,460 --> 02:53:53,700
Yeah, yes. That's what I'm saying. Okay, but it's not just industrial parkway. You're also saying that for the whole Southfield road area that then they will have to either go.

1939
02:53:54,580 --> 02:54:02,720
They will have to go east to 300 west to then be able to go back west. No, well from from industrial. Let's see.

1940
02:54:02,720 --> 02:54:06,180
Let me go back to the back to the, yeah, I'm going to go back, sorry, okay.

1941
02:54:06,400 --> 02:54:12,220
So if somebody's on Southfield road, if somebody's on Southfield road or in between Southfield

1942
02:54:12,220 --> 02:54:18,460
and industrial, it sounds like I'm not, I'm just trying to figure this out, they all have

1943
02:54:18,460 --> 02:54:24,140
to go to 300 West to then be able to get onto the bypass because you're not allowing left

1944
02:54:24,140 --> 02:54:25,960
turn lanes at the top of Southfield.

1945
02:54:26,860 --> 02:54:36,160
That's correct. You would, to get to the, to get to the, to get to the, the bypass here, you would have to come over to the, to 300 west.

1946
02:54:36,480 --> 02:54:49,560
If you wanted to, if you wanted to get, you know, either north or south on the, on the bypass or east or west, I just think that is such the, the flaw in the design.

1947
02:54:50,700 --> 02:54:56,740
I'm sorry. People in that whole quadrant are just not going to want to travel for blocks.

1948
02:54:57,160 --> 02:54:58,600
Well, it's not a 300.

1949
02:54:59,840 --> 02:54:59,980
Yeah.

1950
02:55:00,480 --> 02:55:06,580
To catch on to that, because why would they go north to try to, you know, get up to 100 South

1951
02:55:07,340 --> 02:55:11,580
because they can't use Southfield to take a left. You see what I mean?

1952
02:55:11,680 --> 02:55:17,540
They can't use Southfield Road to take a left onto the bypass so they have to go east to 300

1953
02:55:17,540 --> 02:55:27,120
or to 600 west on the north side but on the south side it can only go to 300 west then to get onto the

1954
02:55:27,120 --> 02:55:34,360
bypass. May I ask a question that might alleviate that? We do have 1200 south as a master plan

1955
02:55:34,360 --> 02:55:45,160
collector street. It's built from industrial parkway westward to probably 1000 west or so. When we

1956
02:55:45,160 --> 02:55:50,060
make that when that connection is made right there? Will that rectify that issue?

1957
02:55:50,560 --> 02:55:57,540
No, still have to go. I guess I'm wondering. So presumably people would be taking the corridor if

1958
02:55:57,540 --> 02:56:04,400
they wanted to leave the area. If they want to go to Salt Lake, if they want to go to Provo.

1959
02:56:04,580 --> 02:56:11,780
Right. And so the frontage road is a pretty direct and quick way to get there. It would be quicker than

1960
02:56:12,460 --> 02:56:17,880
traveling local surface roads if they didn't want to take the corridor then the

1961
02:56:17,880 --> 02:56:21,660
local road network if they wanted to go to you know 100 South would be a

1962
02:56:22,200 --> 02:56:25,940
better. And they'll still have you'll still have 189 as well I think you could

1963
02:56:25,940 --> 02:56:30,120
still come out you'll still just like to do your day. I see that but it's just so

1964
02:56:30,120 --> 02:56:37,720
strange to have to go east to then go back around West or North that's all I'm

1965
02:56:37,720 --> 02:56:42,900
saying there it there is a little there is a little bit of that that backtracking

1966
02:56:42,900 --> 02:56:47,280
that's necessary for this to seems like that 300 west underpass is going to be

1967
02:56:47,280 --> 02:56:52,720
such a pinch point because that whole southwest quadrant is going to be funneled

1968
02:56:52,720 --> 02:56:56,280
into it that they don't probably want to go it's mainly going to be serving the

1969
02:56:56,280 --> 02:57:01,980
local traffic it's not going to be you know the the I think it's going to be a

1970
02:57:01,980 --> 02:57:06,520
pinch point with local traffic because they'll be funneled to that 300 west

1971
02:57:06,520 --> 02:57:10,720
underpass to go either way. You see what I mean? That would only be if they

1972
02:57:10,720 --> 02:57:15,440
wanted to take the corridor. If they don't want to take the corridor, there's the

1973
02:57:15,440 --> 02:57:20,080
local road network which is, you know, your purview that they can. They would just

1974
02:57:20,080 --> 02:57:25,020
stand on the corridor. Wherever they need to go, you know, logically it would make

1975
02:57:25,020 --> 02:57:29,320
sense to get on the corridor for a regional trip or if you wanted to go, you know,

1976
02:57:29,820 --> 02:57:34,760
to the northern part of Cuba. I think I think I used to live over there in that

1977
02:57:34,760 --> 02:57:42,280
area and one good thing is that folks in that area will hop on the bypass road to get to the new

1978
02:57:42,280 --> 02:57:47,760
high school, for example, instead of driving through the neighborhoods where traffic and speed has

1979
02:57:47,760 --> 02:57:53,340
always been a problem. So, or past the schools, the middle school and elementary school, they'll go

1980
02:57:53,340 --> 02:57:58,100
around that instead just because the access will actually be so easy right there.

1981
02:58:02,790 --> 02:58:04,990
I wish you continue, please. Thank you.

1982
02:58:05,330 --> 02:58:08,870
All right. Let me get moved to the next topic then.

1983
02:58:09,310 --> 02:58:11,070
Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.

1984
02:58:11,750 --> 02:58:14,230
Where are you going to did and Southfield Road?

1985
02:58:15,590 --> 02:58:21,170
It will, it will dead in just north of the, of the sewer fields.

1986
02:58:21,750 --> 02:58:23,430
North of where I'm saying the sewer fields.

1987
02:58:23,810 --> 02:58:25,730
Just before it re, yeah.

1988
02:58:26,010 --> 02:58:28,190
So that the road can cross over.

1989
02:58:28,190 --> 02:58:34,670
Yeah, it was it was does that mean then that the road that goes into Charleston will continue?

1990
02:58:34,890 --> 02:58:37,510
Yes, that will still continue and that will still continue on.

1991
02:58:39,540 --> 02:58:44,600
Okay, we've had a lot of we've had a lot of comments and questions about about our right-of-way process

1992
02:58:44,600 --> 02:58:51,400
and and how that's going to work and so I wanted to spend a minute and just maybe just clarify some things.

1993
02:58:51,400 --> 02:59:06,820
Of course, in terms of timeline, we're, you know, we're working on releasing the draft

1994
02:59:06,820 --> 02:59:10,840
alternative or the draft report and then we'll have the record of decision, which

1995
02:59:10,840 --> 02:59:13,260
It's just estimating, you know, spring of 2026.

1996
02:59:14,340 --> 02:59:20,360
And then, at some point after that, we would get funding.

1997
02:59:20,460 --> 02:59:23,300
But for now, there is no funding for a project.

1998
02:59:23,960 --> 02:59:26,860
And with that, what that means is there really is no funding

1999
02:59:26,860 --> 02:59:30,140
to purchase right away with the project.

2000
02:59:32,900 --> 02:59:35,600
Typically, when we start purchasing right away,

2001
02:59:35,760 --> 02:59:37,060
it's when we have a funded project

2002
02:59:37,060 --> 02:59:42,120
and we're actively designing and moving forward with the project.

2003
02:59:42,820 --> 02:59:44,780
Craig, what's the process to get it funded?

2004
02:59:47,360 --> 02:59:48,840
Timing of that process.

2005
02:59:49,000 --> 02:59:54,980
Yeah, so our typical process is through our step process

2006
02:59:54,980 --> 02:59:59,980
that's where you, you know, go through, um...

2007
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:29,780
UDOT does its, does its, prioritization, I was looking for things, you know, me, our prioritization process, where we prioritize our projects, and it goes on to, under the, under the step is a funded project. Right now, you know, our, you know, our, you know, our step is planned out to 2031. And so, you know, so this, you know, various, and this obviously would be, you know, 2032 or beyond.

2008
03:00:29,780 --> 03:00:41,740
And so that's that's that's our usual process and then from there to actually start the design or before that would you be doing the design we would not be designing anything until the fund until it's funded.

2009
03:00:42,500 --> 03:00:47,780
The design with with our normal process.

2010
03:00:48,280 --> 03:00:50,620
Things happen outside the normal process as well.

2011
03:00:50,620 --> 03:00:52,880
How long does the design take?

2012
03:00:52,880 --> 03:00:58,820
Well, that'll depend on maybe to the slide here in a minute,

2013
03:00:58,820 --> 03:01:05,140
but how we phase the project and what it's all not going to be built at once.

2014
03:01:06,100 --> 03:01:14,200
Usually it takes on a sizeable project, it usually takes a year to 18 months to design a project.

2015
03:01:14,380 --> 03:01:20,480
We have to go through and go through the right way acquisition process and that takes time as well.

2016
03:01:21,060 --> 03:01:25,000
So, you know, we could take a couple of years.

2017
03:01:26,320 --> 03:01:29,180
I have one more question, because I'm just trying to figure this out.

2018
03:01:29,400 --> 03:01:29,580
Sure.

2019
03:01:29,700 --> 03:01:31,560
Going back to industrial parkway.

2020
03:01:31,840 --> 03:01:31,980
Okay.

2021
03:01:32,320 --> 03:01:34,260
Okay, so industrial parkway like this.

2022
03:01:34,940 --> 03:01:35,840
And here comes the corridor.

2023
03:01:36,360 --> 03:01:38,540
If you're coming from the north, you can only go east.

2024
03:01:38,880 --> 03:01:42,740
If you're coming from the south, you can only go east along the front two trails.

2025
03:01:42,740 --> 03:01:45,280
There's no west after that.

2026
03:01:45,740 --> 03:01:46,720
It's just the corridor.

2027
03:01:46,780 --> 03:01:49,320
The west at that point would put you onto the corridor.

2028
03:01:49,320 --> 03:01:55,620
Yeah, but you can't get on to the corridor that way. Can you can if you're going west. So if somebody is on

2029
03:01:55,620 --> 03:01:57,300
Highway 189

2030
03:01:57,760 --> 03:02:02,200
They take industrial parkway because somehow they want to do a u-turn maybe, right?

2031
03:02:02,640 --> 03:02:07,320
And then they can merge to go west on the bypass and then swing back down again

2032
03:02:07,880 --> 03:02:13,240
They can with the frontage road merge or you know the west the

2033
03:02:13,240 --> 03:02:19,460
So the Westbound Friends Road will merge on to the bypass.

2034
03:02:19,900 --> 03:02:24,920
After an industrial parkway to the west.

2035
03:02:25,260 --> 03:02:28,260
But then the north industrial parkway can't go west.

2036
03:02:28,640 --> 03:02:31,880
It can only go east to 300 west.

2037
03:02:32,740 --> 03:02:37,020
They could go west if they wanted to turn.

2038
03:02:38,000 --> 03:02:39,520
If you're coming from the north.

2039
03:02:42,300 --> 03:02:50,460
and that's a that's a west that's a westbound move so they could turn left and and get on to but you

2040
03:02:50,460 --> 03:02:58,120
just said that they had to go back to 300 west to be able to go east or south again I'm trying

2041
03:02:58,120 --> 03:03:00,700
So, yeah, so one way frontage road, you,

2042
03:03:09,280 --> 03:03:12,380
you got, I got, I got my, or if I go to the other side,

2043
03:03:17,280 --> 03:03:26,560
keep our footprint smaller. That is the solution that seems appropriate given the traffic

2044
03:03:26,560 --> 03:03:33,480
volume and also trying to keep the footprint smaller than it would be otherwise. I don't know the

2045
03:03:33,480 --> 03:03:39,800
exact distance between industrial and 300 West, but the, we could get that, but the out of direction

2046
03:03:39,800 --> 03:03:41,820
and travel travel is it's pretty minor.

2047
03:03:43,100 --> 03:03:47,760
Okay, so is this another place like Aaron said

2048
03:03:47,760 --> 03:03:51,020
that the public could say we on industrial parkway,

2049
03:03:51,020 --> 03:03:53,660
we do want the off ramp to be able to go west.

2050
03:03:53,860 --> 03:03:55,760
They could give those public comments.

2051
03:03:56,100 --> 03:03:58,440
Sure, okay, right, thank you.

2052
03:04:06,760 --> 03:04:11,500
Once we're actively acquired right away,

2053
03:04:12,160 --> 03:04:15,360
you know, you don't follow is a well-defined process,

2054
03:04:15,360 --> 03:04:21,280
us. It's defined in Utah State code. It's very transparent. And we try to be very fair

2055
03:04:21,280 --> 03:04:27,740
with obviously with with property owners. It goes through a prezel process and then and then an

2056
03:04:27,740 --> 03:04:37,560
acquisition process. Land owners are, you know, can can get second appraisals. They can reject or accept

2057
03:04:41,060 --> 03:04:51,280
and then our public meeting we will have right away, we will have a right away agent there who can answer their questions specifically about the right away process there.

2058
03:04:52,160 --> 03:05:01,780
Typically, when we look at right away acquisition, we're looking at, as you see in the graphic there, a lot of times they're just, we're just needing a portion of the property.

2059
03:05:01,780 --> 03:05:10,640
These are we call those strip takes and we'll just acquire the portion of the project portion of the property that we need for the project.

2060
03:05:12,100 --> 03:05:28,260
If the property is, if we get to a point where the acquisition line gets gets within a certain distance of a structure or it goes, obviously goes through the structure impacts the structure.

2061
03:05:28,260 --> 03:05:32,200
or those are what we would consider to be total acquisitions

2062
03:05:32,200 --> 03:05:33,660
or total takes at that point.

2063
03:05:34,460 --> 03:05:37,920
And those are the assumptions that we are making

2064
03:05:37,920 --> 03:05:40,720
in the document.

2065
03:05:41,760 --> 03:05:43,640
How about bisecting sections

2066
03:05:43,640 --> 03:05:45,820
that just cut properties in half?

2067
03:05:46,580 --> 03:05:48,100
Yeah, I think in those situations,

2068
03:05:48,320 --> 03:05:50,720
it's almost we have to look at those on a case by case.

2069
03:05:51,260 --> 03:05:52,580
One of the big concerns that happens

2070
03:05:52,580 --> 03:05:54,980
when we're bisecting properties is property owners

2071
03:05:54,980 --> 03:05:57,200
want to get from one side of the property to the other,

2072
03:05:57,200 --> 03:06:01,200
you know that's that's always a concern we can't obviously can't make

2073
03:06:01,200 --> 03:06:07,580
property landlocked without restoring access to that property somehow. If we

2074
03:06:07,580 --> 03:06:11,640
can't restore that access then that would be a property that we would do

2075
03:06:11,640 --> 03:06:13,200
it purchase in total.

2076
03:06:21,960 --> 03:06:25,480
Hopefully maybe that answers some questions there let's

2077
03:06:25,480 --> 03:06:26,680
move on.

2078
03:06:31,390 --> 03:06:36,610
I've talked about Northfields and wetland mitigation. We know that either

2079
03:06:36,610 --> 03:06:39,910
whether we're on alternative A or alternative B we're going to need to

2080
03:06:41,430 --> 03:06:49,850
be mitigating for wetlands. One of the commitments that we're planning to make in the document is that you

2081
03:06:49,850 --> 03:06:57,530
don't will prioritize wetland mitigation in the north fields. That will be our first place to look to

2082
03:06:57,530 --> 03:06:59,550
mitigate those wetlands.

2083
03:07:01,670 --> 03:07:06,130
You know, we won't know what that is until we obviously get further down the

2084
03:07:06,130 --> 03:07:12,430
road but we will look to to mitigate their first and hopefully that and our hope there is that we

2085
03:07:12,430 --> 03:07:18,450
will better align ourselves with with the community and you know your values there what you're trying

2086
03:07:18,450 --> 03:07:19,270
to preserve there.

2087
03:07:22,930 --> 03:07:29,430
Just in terms of wetland mitigation sites they are protected in in perpetuity they

2088
03:07:29,430 --> 03:07:35,750
don't allow for any development on those views wetlands habitat are all protected

2089
03:07:36,130 --> 03:07:45,910
And we don't allow for any, you know, recreational features on those on those protected wetlands, we do have a local example in this area. You may or may not be aware of that.

2090
03:07:47,210 --> 03:07:55,770
Back when the previous US 40 widening project came in just ahead of the previous Olympics, there was a wetland mitigation site created.

2091
03:07:55,770 --> 03:08:00,930
there along Cream Creek right next to the the back 40 girl just south of the

2092
03:08:00,930 --> 03:08:05,250
back where the grilling is see on the graphic there and that's been and that's

2093
03:08:05,250 --> 03:08:09,410
been a wetland that you've not been maintaining for for all those years any

2094
03:08:12,260 --> 03:08:17,420
ideas of the different amounts of wetland acreage you're going to need for

2095
03:08:17,420 --> 03:08:20,960
the different alternatives I mean you've shown it before but you've refined your

2096
03:08:20,960 --> 03:08:26,260
your route quite a bit yeah we're I mean we're still you know using the numbers

2097
03:08:26,260 --> 03:08:32,220
that we've shared in the past, I think alternative A was, I believe, was somewhere around 30,

2098
03:08:32,440 --> 03:08:37,800
you want to say 30-ish acres and you have 50-ish.

2099
03:08:57,230 --> 03:08:59,130
Looks like we just lost signal.

2100
03:11:01,140 --> 03:11:02,760
Can anyone else online hear me?

2101
03:11:05,830 --> 03:11:06,590
I can hear you, Scott.

2102
03:11:08,880 --> 03:11:11,240
Okay, so it's just us now. Yeah.

2103
03:11:14,180 --> 03:11:17,740
Let's make some big decisions. I vote yes.

2104
03:11:19,540 --> 03:11:28,840
Hey, I'm still in the building, if nobody else is texting, I'll run up and I texted there and so that you did I texted Matt

2105
03:11:31,360 --> 03:11:33,000
We go, now we got a video.

2106
03:11:35,150 --> 03:11:36,770
I'm guessing the computer died.

2107
03:11:45,430 --> 03:11:52,330
The chat, I don't know if the chat's available action. Robin's not available. Scott, can you tell if you can hear us?

2108
03:11:52,850 --> 03:11:54,170
We can hear you now, yep.

2109
03:11:54,170 --> 03:12:00,430
Excellent. All right. That wasn't the computer going on the screen

2110
03:12:03,090 --> 03:12:04,550
look good, Tony.

2111
03:12:06,130 --> 03:12:06,610
Not

2112
03:12:16,300 --> 03:12:17,420
quite our

2113
03:12:24,050 --> 03:12:24,770
action normal.

2114
03:12:33,040 --> 03:12:35,000
There we go. Please proceed, Craig.

2115
03:12:36,080 --> 03:12:39,860
It just, you know, just, you know, it's just high levels. We've thought about how

2116
03:12:39,860 --> 03:12:46,880
phase it could possibly happen. You know, it could be done by by segments. It could

2117
03:12:46,880 --> 03:12:53,020
But also, you know, we're, you know, we have, you know, we have, it's all great separated

2118
03:12:53,020 --> 03:12:58,560
right now, but it could be, you know, segments could be going in as, as, at grade, and then

2119
03:12:58,560 --> 03:13:04,520
in the future when there's needs arise, those, those could be changed to, to grade separations.

2120
03:13:04,800 --> 03:13:11,540
So those are just a few high level ideas of how this could be possibly phased down the road.

2121
03:13:11,540 --> 03:13:32,330
If things were built at grade Craig would sound walls go in at grade or would they would you wait on those sound walls get get re evaluated when when projects come in you know that whole process will get re looked at it.

2122
03:13:32,330 --> 03:13:34,010
that you're correct if I'm wrong, no,

2123
03:13:34,110 --> 03:13:37,230
but if it's needed during a project,

2124
03:13:37,230 --> 03:13:38,950
we would, even if it was at grade,

2125
03:13:39,170 --> 03:13:40,390
I think we would still be good though.

2126
03:13:40,470 --> 03:13:41,530
Yeah, prior to construction,

2127
03:13:41,930 --> 03:13:43,870
we do not updated noise analysis based

2128
03:13:43,870 --> 03:13:45,530
on the construction design

2129
03:13:46,110 --> 03:13:47,650
and let's present at that time.

2130
03:13:48,850 --> 03:13:50,710
But they're all in, I don't wanna,

2131
03:13:50,870 --> 03:13:52,350
I'm not the engineer, but I don't wanna speculate,

2132
03:13:52,350 --> 03:13:54,230
but there are segments of the design

2133
03:13:54,230 --> 03:13:57,030
that would be hard to convert from at grade

2134
03:13:57,030 --> 03:13:58,070
to grade separation

2135
03:13:58,070 --> 03:14:00,410
in that 1300s out there is probably one of those

2136
03:14:00,890 --> 03:14:05,950
because of the amount of elevation that you would need to kind of build into the facility,

2137
03:14:05,970 --> 03:14:09,530
just right off the bat to avoid having to completely rebuild it.

2138
03:14:09,710 --> 03:14:15,510
So those are also considerations that will come into play when there's funding for the

2139
03:14:15,510 --> 03:14:17,690
project in terms of how it could be phased.

2140
03:14:18,050 --> 03:14:18,510
Yeah, that's good.

2141
03:14:18,630 --> 03:14:19,070
That's a good one.

2142
03:14:19,090 --> 03:14:22,770
I'm sure you're going to get those kind of public questions, especially in that Southwest

2143
03:14:22,770 --> 03:14:23,350
quadrant.

2144
03:14:23,550 --> 03:14:23,850
No doubt.

2145
03:14:23,990 --> 03:14:28,510
On 1300 South, they'll want the sound wall, whether it's at grade or not.

2146
03:14:29,130 --> 03:14:29,690
No doubt.

2147
03:14:31,990 --> 03:14:33,950
Okay, let's go to the next slide.

2148
03:14:34,510 --> 03:14:43,350
I wonder if we as a council can start looking at planting trees along there or something to help with the buffering.

2149
03:14:46,620 --> 03:14:52,940
Well, we have to make sure that we replace the land for the affluent disposal on the sewer farm.

2150
03:14:53,260 --> 03:14:56,840
And if that can be moved up, then maybe that's a possibility.

2151
03:14:56,840 --> 03:14:59,800
but otherwise the affluent will need to be disposed in.

2152
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:01,560
Unless the property. Yeah.

2153
03:15:05,590 --> 03:15:31,970
We've had some discussions about the SR 113 intersection. We, you know, we just wanted to reiterate that, you know, that Southfield road will will be there. It can be people will be able to use it. There will be cut. There will come a point where the left terms will not be a lot.

2154
03:15:31,970 --> 03:15:42,170
not be able to work on that, we don't believe that putting a signal there as it's configured

2155
03:15:42,550 --> 03:15:50,290
will not work, just the spacing is just not, it would congest to cause problems.

2156
03:15:52,870 --> 03:16:00,270
As we presented this with Wasatch County, we know that they're looking at possibly realigning

2157
03:16:00,270 --> 03:16:05,450
Southfield Road in the future and certainly that would be one really good solution there

2158
03:16:05,450 --> 03:16:11,750
to help with that and tie that into the high school. Our goal here of course is to maintain

2159
03:16:11,750 --> 03:16:24,350
mobility both on you know the corridor as well as on 113 and everywhere else and so adding

2160
03:16:24,350 --> 03:16:26,210
a signal there would defeat that purpose.

2161
03:16:26,210 --> 03:16:27,070
any

2162
03:16:31,010 --> 03:16:37,330
way that you could do a design so that if traffic went south on south field

2163
03:16:37,330 --> 03:16:42,810
road that they could swing back around and get on to the corridor. I think

2164
03:16:42,810 --> 03:16:47,170
that would be so useful for the Olympic festival parking where they could

2165
03:16:47,170 --> 03:16:52,110
come in at Midway Lane, you know, into the festival parking. Where's the festival

2166
03:16:52,110 --> 03:16:56,770
parking coming in at? That's going to be at the County Fairgrounds and the New

2167
03:16:56,770 --> 03:17:01,770
high school and the new administration building. That's the plan for the Olympic parking.

2168
03:17:02,850 --> 03:17:09,290
And instead of them traveling back east to 600 west and then being able to get back to go north

2169
03:17:09,290 --> 03:17:16,330
or go south on this bypass. If it's possible, again, I'm just saying, if they could just travel

2170
03:17:16,330 --> 03:17:22,410
south on Southfield Road and somehow be able to merge in any of these directions, I think that would

2171
03:17:22,410 --> 03:17:28,750
be useful and it would also allow the county to feel that they're not cut off in their

2172
03:17:28,750 --> 03:17:29,110
access.

2173
03:17:34,480 --> 03:17:39,120
Okay, those are just a few high-level things we wanted to cover.

2174
03:17:40,100 --> 03:17:47,040
What to expect next, we'll continue to meet with your councils or next meeting is planning

2175
03:17:47,040 --> 03:17:55,740
to meet here with the city council again on the 21st of October and we'll be meeting

2176
03:17:55,740 --> 03:18:02,040
with Losage County on the on the 8th and then if there's any other local local government

2177
03:18:02,040 --> 03:18:08,600
who wish to meet with us they can they can reach out to us. And then and once again

2178
03:18:08,600 --> 03:18:13,760
we'll continue to meet with with property owners as as they reach out to us in schedule

2179
03:18:13,760 --> 03:18:14,180
meetings.

2180
03:18:16,400 --> 03:18:21,140
Still on track to release the draft this fall it's looking it's looking like

2181
03:18:21,140 --> 03:18:29,940
It'll be November, late November, early December timeframe is what we're looking at right now for that, for that release of that document.

2182
03:18:30,240 --> 03:18:33,100
You're still going to wait on the public comment though till January.

2183
03:18:33,240 --> 03:18:35,720
We are still going to wait for the public comment period in January.

2184
03:18:36,020 --> 03:18:45,340
We would start the comment period when the document is released and you'll go, you'll extend it to how long?

2185
03:18:45,340 --> 03:18:51,560
So the minimum is his 45 days and the maximum is 60 by regulation.

2186
03:18:52,890 --> 03:18:56,220
We won't hold the public meeting until January.

2187
03:18:58,500 --> 03:19:02,920
But we'll start the public comment period as soon as we release the draft.

2188
03:19:03,480 --> 03:19:05,360
The comments shoot.

2189
03:19:05,580 --> 03:19:10,760
I think that's exactly what we asked to avoid which is waiting so long that the public comments

2190
03:19:10,760 --> 03:19:12,140
had to happen during the holidays.

2191
03:19:12,140 --> 03:19:22,860
Well, it will still extend beyond those public comments will extend beyond into January as well, but we'll start accepting comments.

2192
03:19:23,280 --> 03:19:25,480
Comments we have to come before the public meeting.

2193
03:19:25,940 --> 03:19:26,880
No, no, no.

2194
03:19:27,000 --> 03:19:40,360
The meeting will be in January, but we'll still be accepting comments all through December and through January after the public meeting as well.

2195
03:19:40,360 --> 03:19:49,400
So people have a chance to, I said it in a way that makes it hard for you to, or easy for you to fight it.

2196
03:19:49,860 --> 03:19:52,600
The vast majority of the public comment would be before the public meeting.

2197
03:19:53,900 --> 03:19:54,300
No.

2198
03:19:55,820 --> 03:19:56,980
It's hypothetically safe.

2199
03:19:56,980 --> 03:20:00,160
We usually, we usually, we usually try to,

2200
03:20:00,240 --> 03:20:03,900
January 15th would be the end of the 60-day one now.

2201
03:20:03,900 --> 03:20:11,540
So we don't have the public hearing at the end of the comment period, we typically aim

2202
03:20:11,540 --> 03:20:16,160
to have it towards the middle since we don't have the public meeting would be in January.

2203
03:20:17,680 --> 03:20:19,440
That's the part I'm trying to true up real fast.

2204
03:20:20,320 --> 03:20:27,560
The public being will be in January, will be released in the document, we're looking at the

2205
03:20:27,560 --> 03:20:28,740
first or second week of December.

2206
03:20:29,080 --> 03:20:32,400
So we don't have exact dates right now.

2207
03:20:32,400 --> 03:20:40,520
but in the example of say when the document was released in late November or early December,

2208
03:20:40,720 --> 03:20:45,420
we would probably look because of the holidays, we would probably look to have the public meeting

2209
03:20:45,420 --> 03:20:52,400
in early January, which would still provide for several weeks in a 45-day scenario afterwards for comment.

2210
03:20:53,300 --> 03:21:08,680
That's possible when you release your route selection that you could produce a 5 or 10 minute video that people could watch that would probably give a lot of the same information that you would give it a public hearing.

2211
03:21:09,260 --> 03:21:17,040
So at least there's some kind of official talking it through instead of just read this big report.

2212
03:21:17,580 --> 03:21:26,320
We did that during the alternative screen report if you recall and and we talked about that we can we can we can discuss that Craig and I are not

2213
03:21:27,180 --> 03:21:28,540
Super fond of

2214
03:21:28,540 --> 03:21:33,960
All right, we're all trying we'll discuss that the point. I think I think it's part of the plan

2215
03:21:33,960 --> 03:21:40,760
I think you'll get more productive public comments if you can explain because you can see my questions

2216
03:21:40,760 --> 03:21:41,900
It's like what's happening?

2217
03:21:41,900 --> 03:21:47,040
right this rotor this rotor what do you mean this or what do you mean that that's going to be more

2218
03:21:47,040 --> 03:21:51,340
questions than actual productive we did get we did get very positive feedback even though

2219
03:21:52,080 --> 03:21:56,720
uncomfortable for us we did get positive feedback from that so the lights are really bright I'm

2220
03:21:56,720 --> 03:22:03,700
sure you know so well I think I think it's part of the plan yeah I'm just mayor and council I think

2221
03:22:03,700 --> 03:22:08,880
we spent an hour on this 20-minute item and maybe we should move forward okay I'm sorry and have

2222
03:22:08,880 --> 03:22:15,520
them come back and it sounds like it's October 21st. We're not making a

2223
03:22:15,520 --> 03:22:20,060
most of the same. We've got a lot of on our agenda. Yeah. We're we're we're

2224
03:22:20,060 --> 03:22:24,300
done. I mean we can definitely come back. We'll have plenty of time to cover

2225
03:22:24,300 --> 03:22:29,520
whatever else we talk about. Well this is probably next to the airport one of the

2226
03:22:29,520 --> 03:22:33,600
biggest decisions is going to affect this valley and now that you're getting

2227
03:22:33,600 --> 03:22:36,840
close to the end it's kind of like you're rushing it you know what I mean and

2228
03:22:36,840 --> 03:22:38,600
yet there's so many little details here.

2229
03:22:38,840 --> 03:22:42,960
Well, we're hoping we're not, we're not, we're not, we don't want to shortcut the public

2230
03:22:42,960 --> 03:22:47,080
process. And certainly, you know, a lot of the things that we're, a lot of things that

2231
03:22:47,080 --> 03:22:51,500
we've been covering for the last several months will be there in the document. Hopefully

2232
03:22:51,500 --> 03:22:57,340
it'll give you a good, you know, give that you and the community a good, you know, step

2233
03:22:57,340 --> 03:23:04,220
forward, you know, we're, you know, we're, it's, there's a lot of information here. I totally

2234
03:23:04,220 --> 03:23:09,320
get it and but hopefully over the last several months we've been able to you

2235
03:23:09,320 --> 03:23:11,660
share a lot of that information so we have a lot of that background of

2236
03:23:11,660 --> 03:23:15,680
context so when you do get the document it's not like hitting a cold yeah and

2237
03:23:15,680 --> 03:23:18,880
in terms of schedule really we're just trying to honor the commitment that we've

2238
03:23:18,880 --> 03:23:22,960
made to to the city and to the county and to the citizens in terms of when we'll

2239
03:23:22,960 --> 03:23:27,780
have the document out we do have some restrictions in terms of regulation and

2240
03:23:27,780 --> 03:23:30,520
how long we can make the comment period so it's a little bit of a balance like

2241
03:23:30,520 --> 03:23:33,940
we do understand what you're saying we're aware of it and we're gonna

2242
03:23:33,940 --> 03:23:42,560
to try to, we're going to try to make the comment period in the public meeting as, as we're

2243
03:23:42,560 --> 03:23:45,140
trying to support those goals, we just have to work with the timeframe and the regulatory

2244
03:23:45,140 --> 03:23:47,780
limits. So, to go soon.

2245
03:23:48,560 --> 03:23:53,920
I think you're doing a great job. I wanted to reiterate to the public comment, the other

2246
03:23:53,920 --> 03:23:59,420
comments that we make is City Council aware the same as anyone in the public. We don't

2247
03:23:59,420 --> 03:24:03,000
have any greater authority on this than anyone else?

2248
03:24:05,240 --> 03:24:06,460
Yeah, it's a good reminder Scott.

2249
03:24:07,240 --> 03:24:11,220
That is, and it's a good reminder for the public generally

2250
03:24:11,220 --> 03:24:12,780
that, you know, when they reach out to us

2251
03:24:12,780 --> 03:24:13,880
to complain about all these things,

2252
03:24:13,880 --> 03:24:15,960
we need them to still reach out to you.

2253
03:24:16,480 --> 03:24:18,700
During the comment period because we don't have,

2254
03:24:19,500 --> 03:24:21,400
one, we don't have any extra authority and two,

2255
03:24:21,660 --> 03:24:24,540
we also are easy to ignore unless there's a bunch of us.

2256
03:24:26,540 --> 03:24:27,940
Is there anything else you'd like to say?

2257
03:24:27,940 --> 03:24:30,880
All right, have a good trip safely home.

2258
03:24:31,200 --> 03:24:32,400
Thank you very much.

2259
03:24:32,820 --> 03:24:41,320
Right, we're going to move on to our next general business item, the update regarding the Council 2025 budget and policy priorities with Matt Brower.

2260
03:24:41,900 --> 03:24:42,940
Mayor, thank you.

2261
03:24:43,660 --> 03:24:51,700
Mayor and Council in your packet is an updated report on your 10 policy and budget priorities for fiscal year 26.

2262
03:24:52,240 --> 03:24:56,340
I am pleased to let you know that staff has worked hard on these.

2263
03:24:56,600 --> 03:24:59,000
We have made significant momentum on many of those.

2264
03:24:59,320 --> 03:25:05,740
My intent is not to dive into each one of these, but simply to answer any questions that you may have,

2265
03:25:06,040 --> 03:25:13,840
regarding the status of the 10 policy and federal priorities and or, of course, the 15 parking lot items that are also attached to the report.

2266
03:25:14,660 --> 03:25:16,700
Any questions or comments on those items?

2267
03:25:41,020 --> 03:25:45,800
No one's talking right now, we're waiting to see if Tony can pull something up on the screen.

2268
03:25:49,480 --> 03:25:51,560
It looks like it's just about there, Tony.

2269
03:25:52,140 --> 03:25:56,800
I will give you a prelude on one of your parking lot items regarding water loss.

2270
03:25:57,120 --> 03:26:01,000
I'm going to keep you suspense until my comment a little bit later.

2271
03:26:01,500 --> 03:26:04,980
The which one again? Water loss. Water loss.

2272
03:26:05,360 --> 03:26:06,280
I'm going to keep you suspense.

2273
03:26:06,280 --> 03:26:06,760
Yes, later.

2274
03:26:06,980 --> 03:26:07,700
It took commas later.

2275
03:26:08,800 --> 03:26:10,100
Are you trying to keep us awake?

2276
03:26:10,580 --> 03:26:12,840
I know that there's some work attached to this,

2277
03:26:12,840 --> 03:26:16,160
and I'm sorry for the question to the staff,

2278
03:26:16,620 --> 03:26:18,100
but everything that says ongoing,

2279
03:26:19,540 --> 03:26:20,840
could say ongoing forever.

2280
03:26:21,100 --> 03:26:22,880
I'd love to understand what ongoing means.

2281
03:26:23,620 --> 03:26:25,420
There's a lot of ongoing here,

2282
03:26:25,480 --> 03:26:26,880
and then it's not a knock.

2283
03:26:27,440 --> 03:26:28,580
There's a lot of work being done,

2284
03:26:28,980 --> 03:26:30,360
but I don't know if it's ongoing,

2285
03:26:30,360 --> 03:26:31,360
like waiting on something,

2286
03:26:31,500 --> 03:26:32,660
ongoing like we're making progress,

2287
03:26:32,880 --> 03:26:35,020
or ongoing like it's on somebody's back burner,

2288
03:26:35,020 --> 03:26:38,880
And we might just have to get it on next year's list, does that make sense?

2289
03:26:39,320 --> 03:26:46,860
Yeah, so for example, your very first priority that's listed is the leadership role in the 2034 Olympic Games planning.

2290
03:26:47,680 --> 03:26:54,320
One of those sub-priorities is to develop relationships with the committees that's an ongoing.

2291
03:26:54,480 --> 03:26:57,300
That's going to be something that we continue to do for an awful long time.

2292
03:26:58,300 --> 03:27:04,020
So then you are that way naturally on the other items in which there's actually been a moving of the needle.

2293
03:27:04,020 --> 03:27:07,620
I try to planify that, what's been done and when it was done.

2294
03:27:08,080 --> 03:27:10,100
So if you have specific questions on that, let me know.

2295
03:27:10,220 --> 03:27:12,200
I'd be happy to answer them.

2296
03:27:12,480 --> 03:27:14,780
We're going to be, I wasn't ready for that right now.

2297
03:27:15,020 --> 03:27:17,840
I did not realize you were going to be asking for a general so much as getting

2298
03:27:17,840 --> 03:27:19,120
getting updates on that.

2299
03:27:19,320 --> 03:27:21,480
Sure, and I'll throw some through email.

2300
03:27:21,660 --> 03:27:27,420
And to that point, please don't need to wait for me to bring this up at a council meeting.

2301
03:27:28,320 --> 03:27:29,560
Ask questions at any time.

2302
03:27:29,720 --> 03:27:33,940
I'm happy to get back to what I'll probably do is if you do email me questions on this.

2303
03:27:33,940 --> 03:27:36,460
I'll respond to everyone, so everyone has the benefit of those answers.

2304
03:27:37,440 --> 03:27:37,640
Okay.

2305
03:27:37,640 --> 03:27:38,280
Thank you.

2306
03:27:40,380 --> 03:27:40,800
Okay.

2307
03:27:40,880 --> 03:27:41,860
Are we ready to move on?

2308
03:27:42,020 --> 03:27:42,180
Yes.

2309
03:27:42,560 --> 03:27:43,060
Thank you.

2310
03:27:43,200 --> 03:27:45,480
We're ready now to go into our action items.

2311
03:27:46,020 --> 03:27:51,700
Everyone, the first action item agenda is the, well, we've already talked about this.

2312
03:27:51,760 --> 03:27:53,440
This is a city thing.

2313
03:27:53,700 --> 03:27:57,380
I'm not seeing Miss Avery on line.

2314
03:27:57,560 --> 03:27:59,960
So let's just rearrange some order here.

2315
03:28:00,660 --> 03:28:05,160
Let's do the short-term rental code clarification and the Jordanal Ridge opens face easement

2316
03:28:05,160 --> 03:28:07,640
and then we'll come back to those other city items, please.

2317
03:28:08,580 --> 03:28:11,060
So who's going to present on the short-term rental code

2318
03:28:11,060 --> 03:28:11,720
clarification?

2319
03:28:12,340 --> 03:28:13,140
Please go ahead, Tony.

2320
03:28:13,780 --> 03:28:15,880
So Mike was part of these conversations.

2321
03:28:16,140 --> 03:28:18,140
We've got Jeff here as you recall.

2322
03:28:18,580 --> 03:28:21,980
He is a manager of many of these facilities

2323
03:28:21,980 --> 03:28:24,860
and he instigated this discussion.

2324
03:28:25,380 --> 03:28:30,040
The question really is, when we have an out building

2325
03:28:31,420 --> 03:28:33,600
such as an accessory dwelling unit

2326
03:28:33,600 --> 03:28:41,000
that's 160 square feet. His question is, does the 200 square foot limit in the code preclude

2327
03:28:41,000 --> 03:28:46,960
you from doing that? As we talked amongst the three of us, we felt that it shouldn't,

2328
03:28:47,100 --> 03:28:53,800
that we had intended that the code would take the total square footage on the property

2329
03:28:53,800 --> 03:29:02,400
for a short term dwelling and divide that by 200 to determine how many can be in the house.

2330
03:29:03,960 --> 03:29:08,660
And that's how we read it, but we do understand that somebody might read it differently.

2331
03:29:09,420 --> 03:29:16,800
So what we are proposing is that we come back to you with an ordinance language to clarify

2332
03:29:18,200 --> 03:29:19,320
that issue.

2333
03:29:19,500 --> 03:29:25,180
I've provided an idea of what that language might look like in my staff report.

2334
03:29:26,680 --> 03:29:29,320
I think that language makes really good sense, Tony.

2335
03:29:29,320 --> 03:29:35,420
the first section of the red language had some questions still in my mind and you resolved

2336
03:29:35,420 --> 03:29:36,520
it with the additionally part.

2337
03:29:37,140 --> 03:29:37,680
Oh, okay.

2338
03:29:38,040 --> 03:29:38,160
Okay.

2339
03:29:39,060 --> 03:29:43,840
So, generally, if you're okay with the idea and generally support the language, I'd work

2340
03:29:43,840 --> 03:29:50,740
with Jeremy to make sure he is absolutely comfortable that it's rock solid and we'd come

2341
03:29:50,740 --> 03:29:52,620
back in two weeks with an ordinance.

2342
03:29:53,640 --> 03:29:59,100
If it doesn't seem like it's that big of a deal, we could even put it on the consent agenda

2343
03:29:59,100 --> 03:29:59,700
I'm going to put it for next time.

2344
03:30:00,370 --> 03:30:30,310
So go ahead. Just going to say if it's appropriate, I'd love to hear it since Jeff was the one that kind of brought up. I'd love to hear a few things that it and I guess just a nod or thumbs up if he thinks that that language does make sense. Let the record show double double. So what I'm trying to figure out is saying you're going to divide the 200 square feet of total livable building space on the whole property, which would include the main dwelling as well as the separate ADU. Okay. But then when it says the

2345
03:30:30,310 --> 03:30:35,410
accessory billing containing the ADU shall not escape the exact occupancy limits.

2346
03:30:35,710 --> 03:30:41,050
So does this mean if somebody had a, like I said, a tough shed, you know,

2347
03:30:41,050 --> 03:30:45,930
that they seemed to think was an AD, a detached ADU, and it was, you know,

2348
03:30:46,130 --> 03:30:50,330
50 square feet, that that would also then be covered for renting.

2349
03:30:51,190 --> 03:30:51,830
Correct.

2350
03:30:52,110 --> 03:30:56,570
And then the building code and or our accessory dwelling unit regulations would

2351
03:30:56,570 --> 03:30:58,910
say how many people could occupy that.

2352
03:30:58,910 --> 03:31:00,550
So a half a person.

2353
03:31:01,670 --> 03:31:08,010
Well, it wouldn't be a half a person. It would be at least one person, but it would not like me be

2354
03:31:08,810 --> 03:31:13,290
I'm just concerned about any abuse of second part would prevent and maybe Jeremy

2355
03:31:13,910 --> 03:31:20,890
But I think that would prevent a very large home and a small tough shed assigning a ton of occupancy to the tough shed

2356
03:31:21,670 --> 03:31:26,990
Because that still doesn't fit with the occupancy limits. I just don't want to say

2357
03:31:26,990 --> 03:31:28,770
I had that question until I got to that one.

2358
03:31:29,350 --> 03:31:30,870
There's the way out of it, that makes sense.

2359
03:31:31,290 --> 03:31:31,990
Yeah, I agree.

2360
03:31:32,510 --> 03:31:35,290
And frankly, I got an ADU.

2361
03:31:36,190 --> 03:31:38,050
I mean, it's an ADU, so someone's not

2362
03:31:38,050 --> 03:31:40,330
going to want 30 people back in the ADU

2363
03:31:40,330 --> 03:31:41,690
and their backyard, and you know, they're not

2364
03:31:41,690 --> 03:31:44,470
big enough to have 30 people back there anyway.

2365
03:31:44,630 --> 03:31:48,290
So probably not going to be a huge issue.

2366
03:31:48,730 --> 03:31:53,550
But I do think that language would clarify it

2367
03:31:53,550 --> 03:31:55,030
and limit those number of people.

2368
03:31:56,290 --> 03:32:03,610
Any other questions, comments, motions on the clear motions?

2369
03:32:03,990 --> 03:32:06,730
Just wanted to gauge the temperature and support.

2370
03:32:06,910 --> 03:32:16,030
If you're okay with it, we'll put it on the next agenda for adoption of an ordinance and it sounds like we will shoot for the consent agenda.

2371
03:32:16,310 --> 03:32:20,890
If you have concerns, you can always take it off the consent agenda and discuss it separately.

2372
03:32:20,890 --> 03:32:20,950
Okay.

2373
03:32:21,070 --> 03:32:21,850
It's not an accident.

2374
03:32:22,150 --> 03:32:24,030
Do we have to move that it comes back next time?

2375
03:32:24,610 --> 03:32:25,510
Or can it just do what?

2376
03:32:25,650 --> 03:32:30,890
I think direction is fine, I think direction is fine, unless you really want to do that.

2377
03:32:31,590 --> 03:32:31,790
Okay.

2378
03:32:32,230 --> 03:32:36,930
I'm going to skip the public comment on that, but if you were welcome to say something if you'd

2379
03:32:36,930 --> 03:32:37,170
like.

2380
03:32:39,090 --> 03:32:39,530
Finally.

2381
03:32:39,870 --> 03:32:39,990
Right.

2382
03:32:40,310 --> 03:32:40,890
Thank you.

2383
03:32:41,330 --> 03:32:41,610
Okay.

2384
03:32:41,810 --> 03:32:44,510
We're going to move on to the next agenda item.

2385
03:32:44,770 --> 03:32:48,670
The Jordanal Ridge open space easement and Jeremy will turn this over to you.

2386
03:32:48,670 --> 03:32:53,050
Mike, I don't know if you want to come forward or not, but, you know, thank you for your patience.

2387
03:32:55,150 --> 03:32:56,290
All right. Thanks, Mayor.

2388
03:32:58,110 --> 03:33:02,050
And Mike Bradshaw is here as well to represent the developer on this project.

2389
03:33:02,550 --> 03:33:04,630
So you can, you can weigh in as well.

2390
03:33:05,930 --> 03:33:11,410
So just a little background back in 2007.

2391
03:33:12,690 --> 03:33:19,570
The, the property owner when they're back still in the county entered into an easement agreement with the county as part of their development agreement.

2392
03:33:21,990 --> 03:33:43,550
which covered essentially this same area that easement agreement and their agreement required them to kind of dedicate pieces of this as they went along in their development and they previously dedicated 217 acres, which is still just owned in fee by the county.

2393
03:33:46,670 --> 03:33:51,230
And then eventually they annexed out the county into the city.

2394
03:33:51,950 --> 03:33:56,830
We entered into a new development agreement with them that required them to dedicate this

2395
03:33:56,830 --> 03:34:04,950
open space to the city or to provide for conservation easement over this open space area.

2396
03:34:05,750 --> 03:34:22,410
And we've been working with them for probably almost two years, I'd bet, and working with the county. We wanted to try to get an agreement that the county could be a part of and that would satisfy their concerns.

2397
03:34:23,830 --> 03:34:29,610
We've kind of discussed a lot of things. One was to do kind of a traditional conservation easement.

2398
03:34:29,610 --> 03:34:38,130
through a number of discussions we decided that it was better to do a conservation easement

2399
03:34:38,130 --> 03:34:42,030
that would be in favor of the city with the county backstopping that.

2400
03:34:42,330 --> 03:34:48,890
So having authority to enforce that so that we have this kind of double layer of enforcement

2401
03:34:48,890 --> 03:34:53,710
so that if we have a future city council that maybe wanted to develop this all, they wouldn't

2402
03:34:53,710 --> 03:34:58,570
be able to without the county also agreeing so we figured, you know, between the two of

2403
03:34:58,570 --> 03:35:09,310
It's very unlikely that, you know, we'll have changes unless, of course, those are something that, you know, just, you know, you never know what's going to happen 50 years from now.

2404
03:35:09,450 --> 03:35:23,850
Maybe there is a change that everybody really wants and agrees to and thinks is great, which is, frankly, one of the problems with conservation easements sometimes is you're very locked into what's in the conservation easement and there's really no room for change.

2405
03:35:23,850 --> 03:35:34,330
This is obviously huge areas, 1967 acres, which is, you know, significant area.

2406
03:35:35,550 --> 03:35:41,310
Under the terms of their development agreement with the city, they're required to kind of

2407
03:35:41,310 --> 03:35:44,950
do what they were with the county, which is kind of piecemeal this in, as they develop

2408
03:35:44,950 --> 03:35:48,150
they're supposed to dedicate a certain amount of this to us.

2409
03:35:48,150 --> 03:36:02,390
That's Matt as the developer when we started this process to agree to dedicate all this so we can get all this into the city and finish this and get it all kind of knocked out in one fell swoop.

2410
03:36:02,570 --> 03:36:04,690
So that's what we're bringing back today.

2411
03:36:05,510 --> 03:36:12,330
The easement agreement contains a number of permitted uses within this area mostly trails.

2412
03:36:13,250 --> 03:36:17,970
there's there's some exceptions for water tanks, other public facilities, but

2413
03:36:17,970 --> 03:36:22,810
essentially it's going to remain in the condition that it is in today which is

2414
03:36:22,810 --> 03:36:27,130
public-athletes trails that are available that everybody in the community

2415
03:36:27,130 --> 03:36:32,090
throughout this entire area. The property will be owned and fee by the

2416
03:36:32,090 --> 03:36:36,510
homeowners association for Jordan L. Ridge which will be responsible for

2417
03:36:36,510 --> 03:36:41,810
maintaining all the property and all the trails, so the city is not taking on

2418
03:36:41,810 --> 03:36:50,230
maintenance of this property, but the easement provides access to all the public to utilize these

2419
03:36:50,230 --> 03:36:55,150
trails and perpetuity. I think that's it. That's there's any questions.

2420
03:36:56,470 --> 03:37:03,770
I just had a clarification, please, in clause three, I think it is about the, sorry,

2421
03:37:05,210 --> 03:37:12,830
The communication infrastructure, it's saying that that could be a use on the easement property.

2422
03:37:13,870 --> 03:37:18,430
But then it was saying later down below, and maybe I'll try to read it.

2423
03:37:18,770 --> 03:37:22,330
Sorry, this is pulling up weird on this tablet.

2424
03:37:23,150 --> 03:37:27,510
So it's saying cost three specifically allowed uses.

2425
03:37:28,970 --> 03:37:35,750
Okay. Communications, infrastructure and facilities. You utilize solely for public facilities

2426
03:37:35,750 --> 03:37:41,550
and then it talks about fencing and so forth, but then it says buried or non-visible communications

2427
03:37:41,550 --> 03:37:47,850
infrastructure and facilities. Is that the same thing that you've got to mention twice? I'm just trying

2428
03:37:47,850 --> 03:37:56,690
to make sure. Those are slightly different. So the first one was intended to be for communication

2429
03:37:56,690 --> 03:38:07,030
location facilities on public infrastructure so if you have a water tank and you have telemetry on your water tank or you have a well that has telemetry on it that you know you're trying to get readings.

2430
03:38:07,690 --> 03:38:19,690
So you have a something that's specific to that well where you're you're getting those you know some sort of communications facility set up on on those facilities and then the second one would be.

2431
03:38:19,690 --> 03:38:24,150
if you just had buried or non-visible communication

2432
03:38:24,590 --> 03:38:25,770
and the structure of facilities,

2433
03:38:25,770 --> 03:38:29,830
so those would be maybe like buried telecommunications lines

2434
03:38:30,210 --> 03:38:31,830
or something that were non-visible.

2435
03:38:32,330 --> 03:38:35,130
So just to follow up, please, and Mike or Jeremy,

2436
03:38:35,270 --> 03:38:36,690
I'm not sure who could answer this.

2437
03:38:36,790 --> 03:38:38,890
It seems that given the map that's here,

2438
03:38:39,310 --> 03:38:43,270
it goes up not to the top of the ridge line, right?

2439
03:38:43,430 --> 03:38:45,750
This agreement is for the lower half of the ridge.

2440
03:38:46,010 --> 03:38:47,510
Is that correct all the way across?

2441
03:38:47,510 --> 03:38:53,790
I think we have a map it goes I mean it goes pretty close to the top of the ridge.

2442
03:38:54,070 --> 03:38:58,990
It's exactly on the top but it goes up above where our current trail system goes.

2443
03:38:59,710 --> 03:39:05,650
So we kind of have a we kind of have a trail that that goes across the top I mean pretty close

2444
03:39:05,650 --> 03:39:09,990
to the top of the ridge but it's just set down off the windy ridge corridor. I know no

2445
03:39:09,990 --> 03:39:16,050
move you've been on it on your mountain bikes and then so that it basically goes up to at least that

2446
03:39:16,530 --> 03:39:21,010
that area. It goes to the, so this green line is the top of the

2447
03:39:21,010 --> 03:39:25,490
ridge line. It's not necessarily the top of the ridge. It goes pretty close to

2448
03:39:25,490 --> 03:39:29,250
the top of the ridge. Okay. Well, then here's my final question. I'm just

2449
03:39:29,250 --> 03:39:34,350
concerned that there's no cell phone towers showing above the ridge line. Well,

2450
03:39:34,490 --> 03:39:38,150
that would fall underneath our ridge line ordinance and wouldn't comply with

2451
03:39:38,150 --> 03:39:41,490
the ridge line ordinance. So we don't have any content or plan to do that, but

2452
03:39:41,490 --> 03:39:45,910
that would be covered by your ridge line ordinance. I just know your water tank is

2453
03:39:45,910 --> 03:39:51,490
I think pretty close to that ridge. Well, we do have a water tank that's kind of, it is on that

2454
03:39:51,490 --> 03:39:56,970
ridge line. That ridge line is pretty deep. That water tank is set back. It's completely buried

2455
03:39:56,970 --> 03:40:02,970
and there's telemetry already there on that water tank. And you can't see that from highway 32.

2456
03:40:03,110 --> 03:40:08,670
I mean, that telemetry stuff is pretty small, right? You can't see it. So it is there existing

2457
03:40:08,670 --> 03:40:13,550
today. You can understand my concern. So I get it. I totally get it. People not wanting to see,

2458
03:40:13,550 --> 03:40:22,910
You know, we sell phone towers up there on. We totally get that. We totally get that. I mean, we would comply. Anything up there would have to comply with the current

2459
03:40:22,910 --> 03:40:29,710
Ridge line ordinance that we have. So anything proposed up there, whether it's a water tank or anything else, it complies with the

2460
03:40:29,710 --> 03:40:35,790
Ridge line ordinance. Thank you. Thank you. I just wanted to verify that. Jeremy, are you good with that? Yeah, that's absolutely

2461
03:40:36,490 --> 03:40:39,950
as we discussed, when we discussed the red line,

2462
03:40:40,290 --> 03:40:43,250
we're very protective of that red line looking up from the valley.

2463
03:40:44,170 --> 03:40:46,910
So certainly any at cell tower,

2464
03:40:47,850 --> 03:40:51,410
daylighting above that red line would not be co-compliant.

2465
03:40:52,250 --> 03:40:53,390
Is there a reason, Jeremy?

2466
03:40:54,030 --> 03:40:56,610
And it may just be because of the actual acreage count

2467
03:40:57,150 --> 03:40:59,610
or because of what the county put in place long time ago.

2468
03:40:59,990 --> 03:41:03,650
Is there a reason that the green line on the bottom of what we're looking at

2469
03:41:03,650 --> 03:41:09,330
doesn't hug to the to the ridge line and the reason I say that is some of not all the trails,

2470
03:41:09,330 --> 03:41:15,230
some of the trails are inside the green, but we do have the old trails that go outside of it.

2471
03:41:15,470 --> 03:41:21,750
We do and there there is still quite a bit of open space up there that will ultimately this

2472
03:41:21,750 --> 03:41:28,870
this understand that what we're trying to take care of today it attacks a an easement agreement

2473
03:41:28,870 --> 03:41:33,910
an ancient easement agreement and we had carried that over into our development agreement which is

2474
03:41:33,910 --> 03:41:39,810
what we're addressing. We have additional open space that will be added into the HOA over time.

2475
03:41:40,010 --> 03:41:45,770
So there's pieces beyond that current line that will get added and be brought into the HOA

2476
03:41:45,770 --> 03:41:53,770
as we go further east. But this covers at least to take care of this one line item in our development

2477
03:41:53,770 --> 03:42:00,430
agreement. So, and it takes care of essentially the face that faces Hebert today. Everything else

2478
03:42:00,430 --> 03:42:08,210
goes pretty much beyond and goes east at that point. Yeah, Jeremy, would that explanation,

2479
03:42:08,310 --> 03:42:14,730
which makes sense to me, would that explanation be something that you would also agree to in the

2480
03:42:14,730 --> 03:42:21,770
face of a resident saying, this signals to me an intent to develop above the green line but before

2481
03:42:21,770 --> 03:42:22,390
other edge line.

2482
03:42:24,700 --> 03:42:26,920
Go ahead, Jeremy, if you want to answer that.

2483
03:42:26,920 --> 03:42:30,940
I can answer that, but I don't think they have any intent.

2484
03:42:31,260 --> 03:42:32,680
I don't think they have room to develop in there.

2485
03:42:32,980 --> 03:42:38,160
Again, the RIDGE line area, per se, that RIDGE line, it comes through there.

2486
03:42:38,400 --> 03:42:44,600
We will continue to put trails and golf and other outdoor type activities

2487
03:42:45,060 --> 03:42:48,520
that are allowed within our open space agreement along that corridor.

2488
03:42:48,520 --> 03:42:54,200
All the development is set back and goes further east from that.

2489
03:42:54,320 --> 03:42:58,720
In fact, we've already come in and got our development plan approved

2490
03:42:58,720 --> 03:43:02,660
through at this point for the stuff that's going to be developed

2491
03:43:02,660 --> 03:43:05,980
just to the east of that corridor.

2492
03:43:06,540 --> 03:43:07,020
Yeah, we have.

2493
03:43:07,500 --> 03:43:11,880
And all of it is pushed further east beyond the water tank.

2494
03:43:12,260 --> 03:43:13,060
Does that make sense?

2495
03:43:13,320 --> 03:43:15,240
So if you look at where the water tank is,

2496
03:43:15,240 --> 03:43:21,560
All of the lots in development are pushed kind of east of that of that water tank, okay?

2497
03:43:21,860 --> 03:43:26,600
And they go a little bit north below the water tank as you go down the highway 32, right?

2498
03:43:27,520 --> 03:43:34,840
Does this mean if the city and the county agrees to this easement that this land will be dedicated to the city?

2499
03:43:35,120 --> 03:43:36,060
City forthwith?

2500
03:43:36,620 --> 03:43:43,260
It gets it gets dedicated into the homeowners association as Jeremy outlined to the HOA. Yes, yep.

2501
03:43:43,260 --> 03:43:48,460
It will have an easement, this easement that runs in favor of both the city and the county.

2502
03:43:49,860 --> 03:43:54,760
The easement structure, the easement's in favor of the city, but the county has kind

2503
03:43:54,760 --> 03:43:56,440
of backup enforcement authority.

2504
03:43:57,180 --> 03:44:01,660
So the city fails to enforce the terms of the easement agreement that the county can step

2505
03:44:01,660 --> 03:44:02,740
in and give us notice.

2506
03:44:02,940 --> 03:44:04,700
It's a you fell to enforce it.

2507
03:44:05,140 --> 03:44:09,500
We still fell to enforce it and the county can take legal action to enforce the agreement.

2508
03:44:09,500 --> 03:44:21,600
And again, the intent of this is to kind of provide this backstop to say just in case the city council changes and we happen to have three people that also want to, you know, allow development on this.

2509
03:44:21,920 --> 03:44:37,160
We have this kind of check and balance, but we have this check and balance, so there if there is something that, you know, both the county and the city agree, yes, you know, maybe this is something because of changes that everything that's happened.

2510
03:44:37,160 --> 03:44:40,000
And I mean, one of the things like, you know,

2511
03:44:40,080 --> 03:44:43,900
we went through a lot of thought that went into this

2512
03:44:43,900 --> 03:44:47,080
and the permitted uses and, you know, like we have mountain

2513
03:44:47,080 --> 03:44:51,200
biking, but we also have, you know, kind of mountain

2514
03:44:51,200 --> 03:44:52,640
biking-related facilities.

2515
03:44:52,960 --> 03:44:55,440
So, you know, when I was a kid in your mountain bike,

2516
03:44:55,580 --> 03:44:57,680
you didn't have like features that came down,

2517
03:44:57,980 --> 03:44:59,840
you know, bank turns that were made out of wood.

2518
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:28,840
Stuff like that. Nowadays, those are really popular. So, so this would allow features like that, even, you know, their trail features. If we're locked into kind of a very rigid agreement where there's no possibility to amend it in the future, those probably would never be allowed or are both the county and the city would have to basically overlook enforcement of those. So, so that's again, I think I really like the structure of this because I think.

2519
03:45:28,840 --> 03:45:37,000
It creates that, it makes it really hard to change this, but it makes it possible if

2520
03:45:37,000 --> 03:45:38,240
everybody agrees.

2521
03:45:38,420 --> 03:45:39,340
If everybody agrees.

2522
03:45:40,160 --> 03:45:42,820
You'd have to have essentially three entities would have to agree.

2523
03:45:43,020 --> 03:45:45,180
The homeowners association, the county and the city.

2524
03:45:46,900 --> 03:45:54,080
So we had a timeline in the MDA that you would do, the one trailhead, every 1,400 units and

2525
03:45:54,080 --> 03:46:00,980
And then we've got 2,405 acres still that you need to follow the same format.

2526
03:46:01,400 --> 03:46:08,900
Well, I mean, again, Mayor, the format and the development agreement is that we would dedicate open space at a ratio.

2527
03:46:09,260 --> 03:46:10,420
It's at a ratio, right?

2528
03:46:10,600 --> 03:46:12,240
And we've been prepared to do this.

2529
03:46:12,480 --> 03:46:14,280
This goes beyond that, right?

2530
03:46:15,240 --> 03:46:21,020
I mean, we would probably have about 300 acres that would be dedicated to the city today.

2531
03:46:21,020 --> 03:46:24,400
This is putting all of this acreage in right now.

2532
03:46:25,120 --> 03:46:28,280
So that kind of banks are acreage for a little while.

2533
03:46:28,720 --> 03:46:31,820
Right, according to the agreement at some point,

2534
03:46:31,960 --> 03:46:34,680
we will continue to dedicate open space, okay?

2535
03:46:35,200 --> 03:46:37,020
But I can tell you to be honest with you,

2536
03:46:37,020 --> 03:46:39,840
we're kind of getting a little more forward thinking in this

2537
03:46:39,840 --> 03:46:41,260
and we're getting trails done.

2538
03:46:41,500 --> 03:46:47,340
And like, I mean, we've added probably six to seven more miles

2539
03:46:47,340 --> 03:46:48,380
of trail this year.

2540
03:46:48,500 --> 03:46:50,000
And we'll do that again next year.

2541
03:46:50,000 --> 03:46:55,800
Well, as we start to finish some of those other future areas off with trails and they're ready to go

2542
03:46:55,800 --> 03:47:02,280
We'll probably start dedicating some larger chunks into this open space. You follow what I'm saying

2543
03:47:02,280 --> 03:47:10,460
So my guess is is from now on we're always going to stay ahead of you and and we'll be able to coordinate that with the planning department to make sure that we do

2544
03:47:10,460 --> 03:47:16,540
Okay, and I'd love to see your trail map updated to you know, we'll continue to update it every year

2545
03:47:17,080 --> 03:47:17,560
Yeah

2546
03:47:17,560 --> 03:47:25,960
I really appreciate the work to try and my go, you just said that, but you know, everybody

2547
03:47:25,960 --> 03:47:26,620
has to agree.

2548
03:47:27,600 --> 03:47:34,700
The problem in my mind is, actually, it's not that hard to get three people in this

2549
03:47:34,700 --> 03:47:37,980
council that want to do something up there and to get five people in the county.

2550
03:47:38,240 --> 03:47:41,660
I can see that happening pretty easily.

2551
03:47:42,420 --> 03:47:45,980
But again, you'd also have to have the homeowners association to agree, right?

2552
03:47:45,980 --> 03:47:51,180
All three parties would have to agree if you were to take something out of the conservation easement.

2553
03:47:51,480 --> 03:47:53,480
We don't think that is likely to happen.

2554
03:47:53,720 --> 03:47:53,900
I appreciate that.

2555
03:47:54,840 --> 03:48:02,640
So my comment is if we think that's the case, should we, if we think that the intent is to

2556
03:48:02,640 --> 03:48:08,060
make it harder to, harder to get out of, but possible to get out of, do we need to put some

2557
03:48:08,060 --> 03:48:13,380
kind of negative incentive to the homeowner's association where they would want to not do

2558
03:48:13,380 --> 03:48:17,200
that the city or somebody else could let them out of in the future.

2559
03:48:17,480 --> 03:48:22,800
So, for instance, if everybody actually really, really does agree, we let them out of the catch.

2560
03:48:23,340 --> 03:48:26,740
But if there's three council members, there's five county council members,

2561
03:48:27,080 --> 03:48:31,780
and the homeless issues is like, cool, tons more revenue, I don't know.

2562
03:48:33,440 --> 03:48:36,420
Can I give you a little more likely scenario?

2563
03:48:36,940 --> 03:48:41,620
Okay, because the problem with it is, is I think what we can't deal with today

2564
03:48:41,620 --> 03:48:47,800
is what that might be, but let me give you a scenario that if we had done this

2565
03:48:47,800 --> 03:48:53,380
20 years ago, or let's say we did this 40 years ago before mountain bikes even

2566
03:48:53,380 --> 03:48:58,020
existed, and the only thing we had was people using the trail the hike and

2567
03:48:58,020 --> 03:49:03,180
horses, and we put in this agreement that that's all you could have, and then

2568
03:49:03,180 --> 03:49:09,460
magically 20 years later, mountain bikes got invented, and we all wanted, we had

2569
03:49:09,460 --> 03:49:13,980
And all these people come into mountain bikes and we had this, we had this easement agreement

2570
03:49:13,980 --> 03:49:17,500
that said, only horses and hiking can happen on this.

2571
03:49:18,180 --> 03:49:19,520
What would we all do?

2572
03:49:19,780 --> 03:49:24,920
And if we were stuck in a typical conservation easement, you wouldn't be able to add the mountain

2573
03:49:24,920 --> 03:49:25,440
bikers.

2574
03:49:25,700 --> 03:49:26,880
You wouldn't be able to do it.

2575
03:49:27,300 --> 03:49:32,960
But with the three parties of green like this, I think that's a more realistic example.

2576
03:49:33,060 --> 03:49:33,840
Does that make sense?

2577
03:49:34,220 --> 03:49:36,560
I don't know what's going to happen in 50 years.

2578
03:49:36,560 --> 03:49:50,540
I don't know what is going to be why the homeowners association, the council and the county want to change it, but mountain bikes didn't exist for, well, it's probably more than 40 years ago, you know what I mean, but it's about that, right?

2579
03:49:50,920 --> 03:49:56,600
I was probably in my 20s when mountain bikes were invented and that's been at least 30 years ago, right?

2580
03:49:57,120 --> 03:49:59,580
Sorry, but at least, but do you see what I'm saying?

2581
03:49:59,580 --> 03:50:02,280
So I would use that as more an example.

2582
03:50:02,480 --> 03:50:06,200
I don't think the county and us in the city

2583
03:50:06,200 --> 03:50:08,660
is going to agree ever to see housing up there.

2584
03:50:09,660 --> 03:50:12,960
Largely, it's 30% slopes are greater in most of that area.

2585
03:50:14,760 --> 03:50:15,960
Let me add to that.

2586
03:50:16,100 --> 03:50:19,180
It's not just getting the three parties to approve this,

2587
03:50:19,440 --> 03:50:23,040
but this would require an amendment to the development agreement

2588
03:50:23,040 --> 03:50:24,500
and be considered a major amendment,

2589
03:50:24,500 --> 03:50:25,840
which means you gotta go to the planning commission.

2590
03:50:25,840 --> 03:50:26,740
You have to have a public hearing,

2591
03:50:26,860 --> 03:50:27,940
have to come back to the city council.

2592
03:50:28,920 --> 03:50:30,800
It's going to be a significant process.

2593
03:50:31,000 --> 03:50:31,340
It would be.

2594
03:50:31,880 --> 03:50:32,680
Got it.

2595
03:50:32,820 --> 03:50:33,000
Okay.

2596
03:50:33,540 --> 03:50:34,160
Thank you.

2597
03:50:34,240 --> 03:50:34,660
That helps.

2598
03:50:34,880 --> 03:50:35,260
Yeah, Aaron.

2599
03:50:35,700 --> 03:50:39,060
I mean, also this is one of the reasons we want the HOA to have this.

2600
03:50:39,220 --> 03:50:40,020
And not the developer.

2601
03:50:40,680 --> 03:50:44,900
Is to make sure that because the HOA the developer might have incentive to try to

2602
03:50:44,900 --> 03:50:45,440
develop it.

2603
03:50:45,600 --> 03:50:48,260
The HOA is never going to have incentive to develop it because.

2604
03:50:49,120 --> 03:50:50,720
You know what?

2605
03:50:51,680 --> 03:50:54,100
Yeah, what they want to keep this open.

2606
03:50:54,280 --> 03:50:57,840
I mean, even if the council and the county council didn't have representatives.

2607
03:50:57,840 --> 03:51:02,260
that lived in that HOA, and so they all agreed who cares what happens to those guys.

2608
03:51:02,660 --> 03:51:04,960
The homeowners are still going to speak for themselves, right?

2609
03:51:05,180 --> 03:51:06,000
I mean, we-

2610
03:51:06,000 --> 03:51:06,240
Makes sense.

2611
03:51:06,500 --> 03:51:06,980
Sounds great.

2612
03:51:07,220 --> 03:51:07,500
Is that good?

2613
03:51:07,720 --> 03:51:08,860
Thanks for hearing my questions.

2614
03:51:09,580 --> 03:51:10,540
Hey Mike, this is Scott.

2615
03:51:12,320 --> 03:51:15,840
I just want to let you know I do ride my bike up there and I love the trails.

2616
03:51:16,060 --> 03:51:16,900
Thank you so much.

2617
03:51:17,060 --> 03:51:19,360
There's no one you're putting in or awesome.

2618
03:51:20,180 --> 03:51:20,620
You're welcome.

2619
03:51:21,180 --> 03:51:22,300
You're certainly welcome.

2620
03:51:22,740 --> 03:51:23,080
Great spot.

2621
03:51:23,960 --> 03:51:27,780
Is anyone ready for further questions, discussion, or motions?

2622
03:51:32,760 --> 03:51:33,800
Aaron, it was a good question.

2623
03:51:34,080 --> 03:51:35,100
It was a reasonable question.

2624
03:51:35,640 --> 03:51:35,760
Aaron?

2625
03:51:36,020 --> 03:51:37,900
No, I just said Aaron, it was a reasonable question.

2626
03:51:38,160 --> 03:51:41,960
If you don't mind, I am going to open this up for the public comment on the action items.

2627
03:51:42,040 --> 03:51:45,980
We've got 10 minutes potential of public comment on this action item.

2628
03:51:46,500 --> 03:51:52,380
And again, this item is the Jordan O'Ridge, open space easement, anybody in the chamber or

2629
03:51:52,380 --> 03:51:54,940
or anyone online, you're welcome to come off mute

2630
03:51:55,280 --> 03:51:57,960
and give a public comment on this, the times now open.

2631
03:52:09,140 --> 03:52:10,960
I'm not seeing anyone raise their hand robbing.

2632
03:52:14,680 --> 03:52:16,540
All right, well, it looks like we will close

2633
03:52:16,540 --> 03:52:19,160
the public comment period then and turn it back

2634
03:52:19,160 --> 03:52:22,340
to the council for any questions, comments, or motions.

2635
03:52:23,140 --> 03:52:25,920
I move to accept the conservation easement proposed.

2636
03:52:27,600 --> 03:52:28,640
I'll second, Mayor.

2637
03:52:28,940 --> 03:52:29,440
Thank you.

2638
03:52:30,500 --> 03:52:32,680
All right, we'll start with the voting in Scotty.

2639
03:52:32,680 --> 03:52:35,620
The problem that he said conservation easements that have open space easement.

2640
03:52:36,240 --> 03:52:38,520
Sorry, open space easement has proposed.

2641
03:52:39,280 --> 03:52:41,060
You accept that again, Sid.

2642
03:52:41,400 --> 03:52:42,280
Yes, thank you.

2643
03:52:42,880 --> 03:52:44,280
Okay, Eric, I just make one.

2644
03:52:44,840 --> 03:52:53,440
Yes, so as part of this, there's a separate agreement that's in the packet, which is the agreement.

2645
03:52:55,580 --> 03:53:01,280
It's really an agreement between the developer and the county to terminate their existing

2646
03:53:01,280 --> 03:53:01,760
easement.

2647
03:53:01,760 --> 03:53:10,340
But we are a signature to that agreement, so just, you know, approval of this easement also implies that we're going to also

2648
03:53:10,340 --> 03:53:12,440
on that. I just want to make that clear.

2649
03:53:12,500 --> 03:53:12,940
Sure.

2650
03:53:13,680 --> 03:53:14,620
We probably do.

2651
03:53:14,700 --> 03:53:24,200
We need to say that accepting the agreement to terminate and replace the open space with your original ridge and then the open space easement.

2652
03:53:24,500 --> 03:53:28,920
I think it's probably best to clarify that we're approving both of them.

2653
03:53:29,360 --> 03:53:30,720
Okay. Scott, do you want to do that?

2654
03:53:30,720 --> 03:53:33,840
I would clarify that we are approving both of them.

2655
03:53:38,880 --> 03:53:39,340
I'll second.

2656
03:53:40,320 --> 03:53:41,380
Is that clear, not Jeremy?

2657
03:53:42,760 --> 03:53:44,380
All right, let's start with you, Sid, on the phone.

2658
03:53:45,140 --> 03:53:45,400
Yes.

2659
03:53:45,880 --> 03:53:46,200
Scott.

2660
03:53:46,340 --> 03:53:46,460
Yes.

2661
03:53:47,340 --> 03:53:48,900
That passes four to zero.

2662
03:53:49,740 --> 03:53:49,880
Thank you.

2663
03:53:49,880 --> 03:53:50,700
This is valuable.

2664
03:53:50,980 --> 03:53:51,720
This is huge.

2665
03:53:52,160 --> 03:53:52,480
All right.

2666
03:53:54,240 --> 03:53:55,500
Let's go forward now.

2667
03:53:55,780 --> 03:53:59,820
I should say backward to the Mill Road,

2668
03:54:00,540 --> 03:54:07,120
980 South intersection improvements and Russ presented all of them in the work

2669
03:54:07,120 --> 03:54:11,400
meeting held previously if you can just give a quick summary Russ in case anybody

2670
03:54:11,400 --> 03:54:15,720
missed that online and then the council can give direction or action.

2671
03:54:24,940 --> 03:54:25,380
I mean I

2672
03:54:25,380 --> 03:54:28,340
can give a summary without pulling up drawings where I can quickly pull up the

2673
03:54:28,340 --> 03:54:30,900
drawings. Just probably that final cost summary.

2674
03:54:31,220 --> 03:54:31,540
Went

2675
03:54:38,260 --> 03:54:43,800
through several alternatives to improve safety at the Mill Road 980 South

2676
03:54:43,800 --> 03:54:50,800
intersection. I gave you my input on my recommendation. I mean, really, you could do numerous things even

2677
03:54:50,800 --> 03:54:58,380
even as I was kind of sitting between now and then I had the thought that if we if we put the overhead

2678
03:54:59,080 --> 03:55:07,340
arms on the south side, the RRFB overhead signal, you could still potentially keep that north

2679
03:55:07,340 --> 03:55:15,980
crosswalk and have at-grade RFBs there. That might be an idea, but we could research that further

2680
03:55:15,980 --> 03:55:16,480
in design.

2681
03:55:18,600 --> 03:55:22,700
Another thing I wanted to point out to the council is we have in the budget,

2682
03:55:22,700 --> 03:55:30,560
I believe $200,000 for traffic calming approved. That's where the money I would propose would come

2683
03:55:30,560 --> 03:55:38,020
from, we have money to, again, start a design. These are estimates, of course, and depending

2684
03:55:38,020 --> 03:55:42,540
on how we design it and what we do is going to determine the final number and what kind

2685
03:55:42,540 --> 03:55:47,940
of bits we get, but I think that we have enough to move forward with any of the alternatives

2686
03:55:47,940 --> 03:55:53,640
that don't involve a hawk. And so, I want to answer questions and get directions.

2687
03:55:54,080 --> 03:55:59,860
There is not from what I could understand, and I did some Googling a way to do RRFB at

2688
03:55:59,860 --> 03:56:04,780
an angle in the middle of the intersection, is there, so that it's closer to both sides?

2689
03:56:05,920 --> 03:56:06,320
No.

2690
03:56:06,700 --> 03:56:07,580
You don't want to do that.

2691
03:56:07,720 --> 03:56:11,480
Overhead, you want to be at the crosswalk, and we could look at some of these.

2692
03:56:11,480 --> 03:56:16,000
If you had to guess, and I realize it's hard based on, especially it's hard based on what's

2693
03:56:16,000 --> 03:56:18,580
here, but I bet you do know this answer or close to it.

2694
03:56:18,920 --> 03:56:24,320
What would that that you just described to be, so it would be option two with the additional

2695
03:56:24,320 --> 03:56:26,080
at grade, RRFB?

2696
03:56:26,300 --> 03:56:27,540
What would that cost to be?

2697
03:56:27,540 --> 03:56:34,840
I would just estimate that the $200,000 that we have in the budget right now would would cover it.

2698
03:56:35,040 --> 03:56:38,000
I don't know for sure, but I would estimate that would be the case.

2699
03:56:38,420 --> 03:56:41,000
So it wouldn't be doubling option two, for instance.

2700
03:56:41,060 --> 03:56:46,880
It'd be somewhere between option two and option six is where you just have it.

2701
03:56:47,200 --> 03:56:47,960
Yeah, that's a good point.

2702
03:56:48,220 --> 03:56:51,140
Actually, where do you want a thousand?

2703
03:56:52,060 --> 03:56:54,020
So it's staying close to two.

2704
03:56:54,340 --> 03:56:55,440
That's the answer right there.

2705
03:56:58,960 --> 03:57:01,180
We could get into those details during the design.

2706
03:57:03,210 --> 03:57:05,110
I do think it's really important that we do something.

2707
03:57:05,250 --> 03:57:09,290
These schools are permanent and they serve a lot of Hebrew city.

2708
03:57:10,010 --> 03:57:14,030
Kids and all of those have to cross Mill Road.

2709
03:57:15,990 --> 03:57:20,150
I am interested in doing what's most effective at the best value.

2710
03:57:21,230 --> 03:57:24,170
And I basically had chosen two and three.

2711
03:57:24,170 --> 03:57:32,530
I'm good with either one of those two is the option two is what our engineer is recommending and I can support that.

2712
03:57:34,770 --> 03:57:42,890
I think the bullbouts really will help. One, it just cuts the time to cross the road, which is a big saving zero.

2713
03:57:43,870 --> 03:57:49,690
Two, it gives the more space for kids to gather and wait so they're not bumping out and falling in the street.

2714
03:57:49,690 --> 03:57:55,250
because so I think the bulb outs really work. And then I think combining that with the overhead

2715
03:57:58,410 --> 03:58:01,050
RRBFB red robe, I don't know what that means, fur ball, something.

2716
03:58:01,250 --> 03:58:02,970
A rectangular rapid flashing beacons.

2717
03:58:03,210 --> 03:58:08,250
Okay, rapid flashing beacons. I think that's that is going to be the most significant

2718
03:58:09,810 --> 03:58:14,270
visual impact where it's right in front of them above, you know, as they're looking forward,

2719
03:58:14,270 --> 03:58:22,070
rather than off to the side. So it's an extra 50 grand. I think it's well worth it to save one accident

2720
03:58:22,830 --> 03:58:27,290
would be well worth it. So I would support too if everyone else does.

2721
03:58:27,530 --> 03:58:28,170
Is that a motion?

2722
03:58:28,950 --> 03:58:29,890
Yes, sure.

2723
03:58:30,550 --> 03:58:34,630
I'll make a motion that we accept our engineers recommendation for option two.

2724
03:58:34,890 --> 03:58:35,330
I second it.

2725
03:58:36,590 --> 03:58:40,710
With addition to adding the signs on the north, right?

2726
03:58:42,170 --> 03:58:48,330
I'm just going to say, I would like to still pursue seeing if we add the crosswalk or not.

2727
03:58:48,450 --> 03:58:52,530
I'd like to input from the crossing guards and then the police and then we can make that decision.

2728
03:58:52,770 --> 03:58:56,830
But let's move forward and if we have to add that in, that's easy.

2729
03:58:58,990 --> 03:58:59,850
And I was second.

2730
03:59:00,950 --> 03:59:01,310
Cool.

2731
03:59:01,650 --> 03:59:06,050
And I was just going to say option two, while we're doing option two and we're already doing buildouts and moving concrete.

2732
03:59:06,310 --> 03:59:10,990
Should we pull some power in case we want to throw those at grade RFBs in there in the future?

2733
03:59:16,510 --> 03:59:35,090
I don't know if I can ask a clarifying question or if you want to take a load or what you want to do, but my thought would be, I've got that direction, I meet with the police and then we take those that input and make the decision or does the council want us to come back after I meet with.

2734
03:59:35,530 --> 03:59:36,570
I'm fine with you guys.

2735
03:59:36,570 --> 03:59:39,650
If there's no major changes, I think we'd be good.

2736
03:59:40,150 --> 03:59:44,510
Unless you're finding some major changes that you need to let us know and we need to decide

2737
03:59:44,510 --> 03:59:45,710
in a different auction.

2738
03:59:45,930 --> 03:59:46,770
That's great, I appreciate that.

2739
03:59:47,050 --> 03:59:51,070
I think you guys have, you know, what do you think about Aaron's idea?

2740
03:59:51,310 --> 03:59:52,290
This costly come back.

2741
03:59:52,610 --> 03:59:54,010
That's not, then do what you think is best.

2742
03:59:54,990 --> 03:59:59,930
So you're not against him researching doing the at grade on the north side.

2743
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:28,760
Our FBs? Well, I can see right now that's $41,000. We'd have to come back. I think it would sit within the budget that we have available for traffic calming. And so if I have that authorization, I want to verify one that there's no big concerns with the MUTCD requirements. And then, of course, I want to get input from the police and the crossing guards on the need to absolutely keep that north crossing.

2744
04:00:28,760 --> 04:00:33,220
or not. I just wanted to throw that out there. That was another thing I was thinking about.

2745
04:00:33,320 --> 04:00:37,940
I think that we could fit it within the budget penalty. Well, give us an update, right? Give us

2746
04:00:37,940 --> 04:00:44,440
an update once you get some more solid figures. I'm really glad you've got the 200,000, right? Hopefully

2747
04:00:44,440 --> 04:00:50,220
that's going to stretch far enough, and we'll see how that proceeds, right? I think that is our chance.

2748
04:00:50,460 --> 04:00:55,920
Your question. I'm good with you going as long as that's what I asked for, and unless it was, I'll

2749
04:00:55,920 --> 04:01:10,080
verify that as well. If that's not there, I will be coming back to talk to you. That's my that's my memory. Okay, so he's clear. Are we clear? Is everybody clear? Yeah, perfect. Okay, so yes, you really came up with that fast. Really pretty really good.

2750
04:01:10,080 --> 04:01:23,200
To the citizens there. I think they'll be really pleased with the design. And they'll want it yesterday. Yes. Okay, so let's start with a vote with you said. Yes, yes, yes.

2751
04:01:23,200 --> 04:01:27,540
Yes, all right, that passes 4 to 0 with the one excused.

2752
04:01:27,880 --> 04:01:30,740
Okay, now we are to our last agenda item map.

2753
04:01:30,920 --> 04:01:34,520
You're going to give us a consolidated fee schedule amendment

2754
04:01:35,060 --> 04:01:39,120
to update the Cemetery fee schedule, Collarbarium, niche pricing.

2755
04:01:40,280 --> 04:01:42,040
You're just giving one moment to transition.

2756
04:01:42,440 --> 04:01:42,880
I'm

2757
04:01:59,900 --> 04:02:00,680
going to pose upon you.

2758
04:02:00,820 --> 04:02:02,100
I'm not able to share screen.

2759
04:02:02,260 --> 04:02:08,980
So if you would have mine going to the last agenda item and

2760
04:02:08,980 --> 04:02:10,900
and pulling up the

2761
04:02:13,750 --> 04:02:14,410
project amendments,

2762
04:02:15,210 --> 04:02:16,450
the very, very, very bottom.

2763
04:02:18,070 --> 04:02:18,570
Thank you.

2764
04:02:19,790 --> 04:02:22,290
Mayor and Council, let me begin by providing you

2765
04:02:22,290 --> 04:02:23,090
some context.

2766
04:02:23,390 --> 04:02:25,210
Actually, maybe let me start by giving you

2767
04:02:25,210 --> 04:02:28,310
some great news and an update on the Conbarium.

2768
04:02:30,050 --> 04:02:33,450
The project's intended to be COD in a matter of a couple weeks

2769
04:02:33,450 --> 04:02:36,270
in time for the ribbon cutting, which is planned

2770
04:02:36,270 --> 04:02:40,010
for Friday, October 3rd at noon.

2771
04:02:40,550 --> 04:02:45,410
pretty exciting stuff. If you go out there now, you can see that we're down to the minor details.

2772
04:02:46,470 --> 04:02:53,130
Staff has been working feverishly on getting the irrigation, getting the lawn planted, trying to

2773
04:02:53,130 --> 04:02:58,150
do all we can to save money if I do most of it in-house. So a lot of activity, but it's winding down,

2774
04:02:58,330 --> 04:03:04,990
and it's on schedule, and that's pretty exciting to report to you. A year ago, actually it's probably

2775
04:03:04,990 --> 04:03:11,090
year ago June, when we kicked this project off, I came to you and requested that we established

2776
04:03:11,090 --> 04:03:17,830
niche fees for the Combarium with the belief that we could sell a number of the niches during

2777
04:03:17,830 --> 04:03:22,170
the construction period. We've done that. It hasn't been as many as we'd hoped, but we

2778
04:03:22,170 --> 04:03:28,290
have sold a few. The fees that I presented to you were based up on the cost of the construction

2779
04:03:28,290 --> 04:03:36,670
back then it was the bid cost that Jardines gave us which was $4.05 million. Fast forward and of

2780
04:03:36,670 --> 04:03:41,690
course we have approved numerous change orders and you can see those listed here on the screen.

2781
04:03:42,410 --> 04:03:46,750
There's been a total of nine of them. The first one was adding the second

2782
04:03:46,750 --> 04:03:53,930
Combarium. This was obviously the 100lb gorilla. This was about $300,000. Change orders two through five

2783
04:03:53,930 --> 04:03:59,650
We're minor ones, a bunch of minor ones, adding low voltage for video and security, expanding

2784
04:03:59,650 --> 04:04:03,310
a waterline from two inches to four inches, a number of just needed items.

2785
04:04:04,470 --> 04:04:09,630
Number six was surface improvements, recalled this is an amendment you approved for paving

2786
04:04:09,630 --> 04:04:11,890
the ingress and egress of Harry Schwarz Parkway.

2787
04:04:13,370 --> 04:04:17,770
Seven is the pump house, moving the pump house from where it was, over to where it is now.

2788
04:04:18,310 --> 04:04:23,030
The fountains, which is the one you approved as well, and stone veneer, which is being added

2789
04:04:23,030 --> 04:04:26,330
to the bottom of the Combarium's to help increase the attractiveness.

2790
04:04:27,110 --> 04:04:32,250
So the construction project budget went from 4.041 to 4.9.

2791
04:04:32,910 --> 04:04:38,090
The all-in project cost is $5.48 million.

2792
04:04:40,100 --> 04:04:41,610
So we are now at the end.

2793
04:04:41,770 --> 04:04:47,510
We have an updated cost for the project, and I am coming before you to wanting to discuss

2794
04:04:47,510 --> 04:04:52,890
the need to increase the cost of the niches to cover the total cost of the project,

2795
04:04:53,130 --> 04:04:57,590
not the total cost of the project, but the cost of the increased cost from the project.

2796
04:04:58,530 --> 04:05:04,010
Tony, can I have you go to, let's go,

2797
04:05:08,570 --> 04:05:12,130
cemetery fee schedule. I'm sorry, niche pricing evaluation.

2798
04:05:18,280 --> 04:05:19,680
If you go down to the very bottom,

2799
04:05:26,240 --> 04:05:29,880
if you can actually go up a little bit, Tony, so you can see the second, all right there.

2800
04:05:29,880 --> 04:05:37,320
Okay. So we had the expert run a number of scenarios that looked at raising additional revenue

2801
04:05:37,320 --> 04:05:42,440
through the cells and niches to cover the increase in the construction cost. What I've done is

2802
04:05:42,440 --> 04:05:49,680
taken scenario A, which would increase the revenues from the sell of the $1296 niches by $700,000.

2803
04:05:51,060 --> 04:05:56,260
So what we've done is 22 go to the next one entitled niche pricing evaluation.

2804
04:06:02,140 --> 04:06:04,460
I'm sorry, uh, sedatory fee schedule.

2805
04:06:19,010 --> 04:06:21,650
Robin, is there any way that I can get to share my screen?

2806
04:06:27,320 --> 04:06:27,660
Mm-hmm.

2807
04:06:30,680 --> 04:06:32,000
Right now, it's not highlighted.

2808
04:06:32,360 --> 04:06:33,280
It bears me for just a moment.

2809
04:06:35,900 --> 04:06:37,020
What part's not highlighted?

2810
04:06:37,960 --> 04:06:38,760
I beg your pardon?

2811
04:06:38,940 --> 04:06:39,880
What part's not highlighted?

2812
04:06:40,420 --> 04:06:41,300
It's where it says share.

2813
04:06:41,500 --> 04:06:41,820
Oh, there it is.

2814
04:06:41,900 --> 04:06:42,520
Now it's highlighted.

2815
04:06:42,780 --> 04:06:43,140
Thank you.

2816
04:06:43,600 --> 04:06:44,600
He's trying to do his.

2817
04:06:45,100 --> 04:06:46,440
He's trying to do his machine.

2818
04:06:47,940 --> 04:06:48,820
Share his screen.

2819
04:07:00,180 --> 04:07:02,520
Robin, how do we show that on that TV screen right there?

2820
04:07:08,610 --> 04:07:12,490
I've got it on my screen. I've got some rubber screen, but it's not on that screen there.

2821
04:07:15,830 --> 04:07:16,190
Annitement.

2822
04:07:16,530 --> 04:07:17,550
Annitement. It's a new vocabulary word.

2823
04:07:18,330 --> 04:07:19,790
And if you can increase the size of that Tony,

2824
04:07:27,420 --> 04:07:28,160
a little bit larger, please.

2825
04:07:37,550 --> 04:07:40,170
I can see it. Not my app to do it down on that.

2826
04:07:41,650 --> 04:07:42,790
There you go. Okay.

2827
04:07:44,610 --> 04:07:46,990
Okay. Let me provide some more context.

2828
04:07:46,990 --> 04:07:58,550
So, in the Comberiums, we identified the niches as value niches, standard niches, or premium niches, and that's based upon whether located on that niche wall.

2829
04:07:59,010 --> 04:08:02,410
For example, the ones at the very, very top, or at the very bottom would be value.

2830
04:08:03,110 --> 04:08:09,350
The ones that are a little lower would be standard, and the premiums of course are about your high height. For example, they're the highest value ones.

2831
04:08:10,150 --> 04:08:16,470
The column there that says current, that is your current niche price, okay?

2832
04:08:16,690 --> 04:08:19,790
That's what's listed in your fee schedule.

2833
04:08:21,830 --> 04:08:22,930
That's price today.

2834
04:08:23,790 --> 04:08:30,650
Proposal one and proposal two is based upon the numbers I just showed you that was done by our consultant.

2835
04:08:31,050 --> 04:08:36,190
That would generate an additional $700,000 of revenue based upon the niche sales.

2836
04:08:36,970 --> 04:08:42,730
The difference between proposal one and proposal two is this, under proposal one, what

2837
04:08:42,730 --> 04:08:48,710
I did is I took the numbers that the consultant gave me, and what he was looking at only was

2838
04:08:48,710 --> 04:08:49,590
the resident price.

2839
04:08:49,750 --> 04:08:53,810
He wasn't looking at it to non-resident, and it's really important that we distinctly should

2840
04:08:53,810 --> 04:08:55,670
price from resident to non-resident.

2841
04:08:55,890 --> 04:08:56,070
Why?

2842
04:08:56,290 --> 04:09:00,610
Because the residents of Hebrew have already put $2.75 million into this project.

2843
04:09:00,950 --> 04:09:04,370
That was approved in the budget, when you could kick this off a year ago.

2844
04:09:04,370 --> 04:09:08,310
So it's very important that the resident price not be the same as the non-resident price.

2845
04:09:08,930 --> 04:09:14,450
So a proposal one, what I did is I took the recommended price per niche and I increased

2846
04:09:14,450 --> 04:09:17,250
the non-resident by 10%.

2847
04:09:17,790 --> 04:09:21,730
So in essence, the resident would be par and then the non-resident would be 10% above that.

2848
04:09:22,370 --> 04:09:29,550
In proposal two, what I did is I took the par number that the consultant gave me, decreased

2849
04:09:29,550 --> 04:09:35,130
increase the resident by 5% from that and then increase the non-resident by 5%.

2850
04:09:35,130 --> 04:09:37,450
So you essentially net out the same amount of revenue.

2851
04:09:38,210 --> 04:09:43,530
The reason I did that is when I looked at Proposal 1, the reason I did that is because

2852
04:09:43,530 --> 04:09:48,570
Proposal 1, if you notice on the far right hand side, I've got a private sector from

2853
04:09:48,570 --> 04:09:49,030
Marion there.

2854
04:09:49,150 --> 04:09:49,850
I'm not going to tell you who it is.

2855
04:09:50,170 --> 04:09:50,910
I'm telling you I wouldn't.

2856
04:09:51,290 --> 04:09:53,910
But that is a market price there for niches in Salt Lake.

2857
04:09:53,910 --> 04:09:59,930
If you look at Proposal 1, it's a question for non-resident, we're out of the money,

2858
04:10:00,070 --> 04:10:00,850
rather than market there.

2859
04:10:01,630 --> 04:10:08,570
But if you look at Proposal 2, if you look at overall, at the value, we're there, at the

2860
04:10:08,570 --> 04:10:13,670
standard, we're there, at the premiums, we're a little higher than normal, but we have a facility

2861
04:10:13,670 --> 04:10:14,930
that is next to none.

2862
04:10:15,510 --> 04:10:19,510
There is not a facility of this equal, whether in the Wasatch back or the Wasatch front.

2863
04:10:19,510 --> 04:10:22,170
So I propose that we go with proposal two.

2864
04:10:22,430 --> 04:10:24,770
It still keeps our niche cost, sorry,

2865
04:10:24,910 --> 04:10:28,190
and niche revenues on market with the one you see

2866
04:10:28,190 --> 04:10:28,970
then the far right.

2867
04:10:29,870 --> 04:10:31,450
And then I'm also suggesting this,

2868
04:10:32,130 --> 04:10:34,030
the fees, sorry, I keep saying fees,

2869
04:10:34,230 --> 04:10:36,610
the niche cost on the current column.

2870
04:10:37,290 --> 04:10:40,770
In my investigation, what I realize is that those numbers

2871
04:10:40,770 --> 04:10:43,210
include basic engraving.

2872
04:10:43,550 --> 04:10:44,910
It's in there, it says that.

2873
04:10:45,270 --> 04:10:47,470
Basic engraving on the niche wall.

2874
04:10:48,350 --> 04:10:54,450
But what it did include was the enrichment, which is essentially the opening and closing of the niche,

2875
04:10:54,710 --> 04:10:58,730
taking the wall down to have it engraved or rot back, and the perpetual care.

2876
04:11:00,130 --> 04:11:02,830
And so what I've done, I'll show you here in just a moment, is I'm advocating,

2877
04:11:02,830 --> 04:11:06,870
we go with proposal two, and then Tony actually, I can go to it one moment,

2878
04:11:07,470 --> 04:11:11,690
so my proposing is, it is common now.

2879
04:11:26,380 --> 04:11:29,440
So what I'm showing you now, actually, can we show this on my screen,

2880
04:11:29,440 --> 04:11:34,400
but it's not. Tony, I've switched to a different file. It's on my screen. It's not on your zone.

2881
04:11:35,080 --> 04:11:37,880
If we actually went back to yours, you could pull it up. Can we do that?

2882
04:11:41,320 --> 04:11:42,120
There it is right there.

2883
04:11:42,380 --> 04:11:42,720
Thank you.

2884
04:11:43,120 --> 04:11:44,980
I have to share with you about a minute.

2885
04:11:49,480 --> 04:11:52,380
Very well, say I'm almost to the end. Almost to the punch line.

2886
04:11:56,670 --> 04:12:01,790
I need to go to towards the bottom. You'll see a row that says,

2887
04:12:01,790 --> 04:12:11,290
Combariums, Niche 1 and 2, up, go up please, keep going, keep going, right there.

2888
04:12:12,550 --> 04:12:17,530
So what you're looking at now is a copy of your consolidated fee schedule, specifically

2889
04:12:17,790 --> 04:12:20,830
the chapter that deals with cemetery fees and services.

2890
04:12:21,730 --> 04:12:26,810
And what we're establishing here is updated Niche fees, which I just showed you as proposal

2891
04:12:26,810 --> 04:12:29,890
So you can see that there for the value,

2892
04:12:30,050 --> 04:12:31,250
20 to go down some more.

2893
04:12:31,750 --> 04:12:33,570
You got the value, you can see there,

2894
04:12:33,650 --> 04:12:35,750
you got the standard, and then you got the premium.

2895
04:12:36,330 --> 04:12:38,770
What's highlighted in yellow corresponds specifically

2896
04:12:38,770 --> 04:12:41,410
with the proposal two, I just showed you on the Excel spreadsheet.

2897
04:12:42,110 --> 04:12:43,590
Okay. Go down a little bit more, Tony.

2898
04:12:44,070 --> 04:12:47,250
And then what I'm proposing is that we add an initchment fee,

2899
04:12:47,570 --> 04:12:50,410
which is the opening closing, $300 for a resident,

2900
04:12:50,570 --> 04:12:51,670
$404 non-resident.

2901
04:12:52,310 --> 04:12:53,310
That is for weekdays.

2902
04:12:53,310 --> 04:13:02,270
I'm also adding one for week ends 500 and 600 and then the special engraving meaning engraving that goes above beyond the basic engraving

2903
04:13:02,270 --> 04:13:06,730
They better pay that freight and they would do that going on a little bit more toning

2904
04:13:07,250 --> 04:13:08,850
Are we doing the engraving?

2905
04:13:09,250 --> 04:13:14,190
No, we would do that through Larkin. They would be the ones that did that for us.

2906
04:13:14,190 --> 04:13:14,550
I

2907
04:13:17,110 --> 04:13:21,710
don't know how long our contract is with Larkin, but it's obviously likely to change.

2908
04:13:22,030 --> 04:13:28,270
I'm wondering if we want to just put maybe not the price there so we don't have this.

2909
04:13:29,050 --> 04:13:31,070
That is that, and more.

2910
04:13:31,650 --> 04:13:35,750
Well, I'm just saying I don't know how frequently they'll change it, yeah.

2911
04:13:36,110 --> 04:13:37,750
That's another recommendation I'm going to recommend.

2912
04:13:37,970 --> 04:13:45,210
Larkin actually changes a lot of their enrichment, their grading fees on an annual basis like

2913
04:13:45,210 --> 04:13:50,050
we do with our impact fees, I suggest we do that the same as well and we'll come back during the

2914
04:13:50,050 --> 04:13:55,710
budget process and include that recommendation. So what I propose in Council for your consideration

2915
04:13:55,710 --> 04:14:03,170
is that we establish updated niche fees, we establish the in itchment cost, the perpetual care cost,

2916
04:14:03,250 --> 04:14:08,730
which I've actually included in due proposal two. So proposal two includes not only what I showed

2917
04:14:08,730 --> 04:14:14,070
you, but a opening closing fee to color staff's time, the nichement, I'm sorry, the

2918
04:14:14,710 --> 04:14:16,630
nichement, and then the special engraving.

2919
04:14:17,910 --> 04:14:20,890
Now, having said that, I'm not looking for approval tonight.

2920
04:14:21,130 --> 04:14:24,670
My staff's telling me we have to do this by an ordinance, because we're mending the consolidated

2921
04:14:24,670 --> 04:14:25,390
fee schedule.

2922
04:14:25,970 --> 04:14:30,530
I'm in need of having this done before the open houses, which commence on October 1st.

2923
04:14:31,450 --> 04:14:34,570
And so I'm hoping that you will be able to set a date for a special meeting.

2924
04:14:34,570 --> 04:14:41,690
It shouldn't take very long to have the public hearing, which will advertise and post and then take action on these cost proposals

2925
04:14:41,690 --> 04:14:46,750
So that we can get them in place before the open house as well as the ribbon cutting

2926
04:14:48,730 --> 04:14:51,710
You do can you go back to the Excel sheet?

2927
04:14:56,650 --> 04:14:59,170
Well, sorry the other one the list

2928
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:29,100
Yellows, yellows, sales. That's on mine that you give that back to me. Matt, while you're pulling that up, the one thing that I don't know if this does, and you may have done the work of just not told us just now. If we're trying to get back to the changes, I think we have to wait the sales between resident and non-resident in order to make sure that's happening here. Does that make sense? Meaning that if most are resident,

2929
04:15:29,100 --> 04:15:35,300
Then perhaps I'm not raising that one enough if most or non-resident perhaps we're raising that too much to get there

2930
04:15:35,300 --> 04:15:40,100
I don't have any idea how they're selling or how they're weighted yet. Yeah, I don't have any idea what the ratios look like

2931
04:15:40,100 --> 04:15:44,440
We've only sold about a half a dozen. It's not very many most are resident

2932
04:15:44,440 --> 04:15:52,700
We are in conversations right now with a Jewish synagogue out of Park City that wants to buy a large number. That would be all non-resident

2933
04:15:53,580 --> 04:15:57,300
And so my crystal ball is taking price at the current price

2934
04:15:57,300 --> 04:16:03,240
No, we've not been there to a deal yet. So if you're able to adopt this it would probably come in at the updated rates

2935
04:16:04,240 --> 04:16:08,340
But my trustable is not that accurate. I don't know what the future is going to hold

2936
04:16:08,340 --> 04:16:17,400
But obviously the the updated proposal does assume a few things right 50 50 resident non-resident. I don't know what's going to happen

2937
04:16:18,280 --> 04:16:24,000
But we can do best we can we keep monitoring that if we get adjusted we come back to you and make some adjustment sales rates in the future

2938
04:16:24,000 --> 04:16:28,900
Okay, and then the only other question which has nothing to do with him pulling that up or whoever's pulling it up

2939
04:16:30,280 --> 04:16:31,100
Do we

2940
04:16:32,340 --> 04:16:35,280
Do we charge a fee for an ownership change?

2941
04:16:35,460 --> 04:16:45,120
Yes, $200. Sorry. Yes, $200. I would think that that's when we want to up as well if you didn't already

2942
04:16:45,120 --> 04:16:48,240
Maybe that's for next time, but the thought process there is

2943
04:16:49,560 --> 04:16:55,300
This is a public meeting so anybody that gets word of it right now and goes and buys them and wants to sell them later

2944
04:16:56,620 --> 04:17:09,320
I was going to ask that if somebody buys a niche, a niche, a niche and then just dies in

2945
04:17:09,320 --> 04:17:16,000
California and gets very in California, how do they give that back to the city, they

2946
04:17:16,000 --> 04:17:19,320
can sell it back to us at the price in which they bought it and then we can turn on a resell

2947
04:17:19,320 --> 04:17:20,200
it.

2948
04:17:20,200 --> 04:17:27,460
Okay, and that's a contractual obligation is correct when you buy a plot when you buy a niche

2949
04:17:27,460 --> 04:17:32,260
we're going to give you a certificate of ownership of that plot of that niche. In fact,

2950
04:17:32,260 --> 04:17:37,120
the mayor signs these when we sell those and so that is a document that we have that you can then

2951
04:17:37,120 --> 04:17:42,740
sell back to us and then we will of course sell it again to someone. That's the rate that you paid not

2952
04:17:42,740 --> 04:17:47,680
correct. Yeah, we're not going to get into this secondary market and have to pay some

2953
04:17:47,680 --> 04:17:51,160
exorbitant cost. That's very well written to our policies.

2954
04:17:51,620 --> 04:17:58,760
Okay. If Mark's medley wanted to buy one tomorrow, does he get the current price?

2955
04:17:59,720 --> 04:18:03,680
He would get the price that is included in your current consolidated fee schedule,

2956
04:18:03,680 --> 04:18:04,940
which is the current price.

2957
04:18:05,320 --> 04:18:07,460
It has to be the next meeting.

2958
04:18:07,940 --> 04:18:09,920
I was using Mark instead of someone else.

2959
04:18:13,060 --> 04:18:15,800
Well, so the public knows they can still buy it.

2960
04:18:15,800 --> 04:18:16,780
I mean, this is a public meeting.

2961
04:18:16,980 --> 04:18:17,920
So help with that's good.

2962
04:18:18,340 --> 04:18:21,940
Now, also, okay, go ahead, I'm sorry, go ahead.

2963
04:18:23,280 --> 04:18:25,760
I forgot, but it'll come, let me go.

2964
04:18:25,920 --> 04:18:28,180
So there's a couple of policy changes too

2965
04:18:28,180 --> 04:18:29,840
that you'll see when it comes back.

2966
04:18:29,920 --> 04:18:33,480
One is that we are negotiating right now

2967
04:18:33,480 --> 04:18:35,380
with this group, this religious group.

2968
04:18:35,800 --> 04:18:39,120
And in that case, we may offer a little bit different pricing

2969
04:18:39,120 --> 04:18:41,940
than what's here, but that'll be based upon an agreement.

2970
04:18:42,180 --> 04:18:44,660
It's gonna come before you for approval, okay?

2971
04:18:44,660 --> 04:19:03,380
number one number two we also put in there that we will run sales from time to time what we want to do is get these rates updated and still offer a 10% decrease for residents and non residents as a if you will grant opening sale that will run through December 31st and so that also for just the ability to do that.

2972
04:19:04,060 --> 04:19:05,140
I like that.

2973
04:19:05,500 --> 04:19:12,360
Matt can we also look at the other fees on that schedule to make sure that they're in line with market.

2974
04:19:13,200 --> 04:19:20,480
We use such as grain sites, we will, now my focus has been niche is obviously because of the urgency,

2975
04:19:21,060 --> 04:19:25,280
making sure that the price we're going to charge covers the cost, and this not only does that,

2976
04:19:25,400 --> 04:19:30,580
this could generate an additional 200 to $500,000 that could go back to perpetual care,

2977
04:19:30,940 --> 04:19:33,580
or to offset some of the costs of the general fund towards this project.

2978
04:19:34,280 --> 04:19:35,020
Yeah, okay,

2979
04:19:41,050 --> 04:19:42,670
I can't hear that it's being said.

2980
04:19:42,670 --> 04:19:42,770
And

2981
04:19:46,130 --> 04:19:55,670
Mark Smether with a question, with regard to the sales, when I talked to Larkin, would the policy also include being able to have sales throughout the year?

2982
04:19:56,050 --> 04:20:02,750
I'm a Memorial Day sale or yes, sales could be happened more than the grant opening and the policy affords that yes.

2983
04:20:03,210 --> 04:20:09,750
Then I had one other question and it says, if I buy one, I'm a resident and then I want Lynette to be next to me.

2984
04:20:09,750 --> 04:20:15,530
Is then that has the companion the then the resident companion and there has a

2985
04:20:15,530 --> 04:20:21,870
Two that's for two that's for two. Okay. Yeah, good questions. I thought it was two people in one box

2986
04:20:24,730 --> 04:20:29,110
It's one ditch that you could put two earns in you can put two earns in the companion

2987
04:20:29,110 --> 04:20:31,670
Mm-hmm, but not a single correct doesn't fit out correct

2988
04:20:32,090 --> 04:20:38,190
So I didn't have a recommendation you just said there's a few people that have already bought these and now we're gonna be removing the

2989
04:20:38,190 --> 04:20:44,390
in itchment fee. So they would they're coming under the current crisis. Yeah, I would recommend we

2990
04:20:44,390 --> 04:20:50,450
just refund them. So how are we going to remember six people over it? It's is a contract.

2991
04:20:50,590 --> 04:20:54,350
Is that in the contract? Oh, okay. Then I'm good. I thought we'd have to keep track of it for

2992
04:20:54,350 --> 04:21:00,090
four years. Well, we do. And understand there's all sorts of uniqueness in the cemetery. You got

2993
04:21:00,090 --> 04:21:05,310
plots with headstones, plots without his stones. You have premium plots, non-premium plots. You

2994
04:21:05,310 --> 04:21:10,590
You have niche value, you know, standard, and there's a lot of diversity in terms of the value of the plots and niches.

2995
04:21:11,810 --> 04:21:13,570
Okay, those are all different contracts.

2996
04:21:14,730 --> 04:21:17,750
And no, when I say this, this facility is unique.

2997
04:21:18,230 --> 04:21:21,710
There's not one that I'm aware of. The lock is even said that's even aware like this.

2998
04:21:22,170 --> 04:21:30,710
Not only is it just a beautiful, beautiful building, but we have the system under the courtyard and the concrete to keep the snow off, keep it dry year round.

2999
04:21:30,710 --> 04:21:37,910
the view is next to the second and none, it is, there's nothing you'll notice, there's nothing like it.

3000
04:21:38,630 --> 04:21:39,790
It's gorgeous up there.

3001
04:21:40,530 --> 04:21:41,150
Yeah, it is gorgeous.

3002
04:21:43,110 --> 04:21:46,970
So, I guess I'm looking for is, I know you're busy, me or not, I talked about her schedule.

3003
04:21:46,970 --> 04:21:47,170
Sorry.

3004
04:21:47,410 --> 04:21:48,390
I'm sorry, we're late.

3005
04:21:49,230 --> 04:21:52,030
What you said, I totally understand, but I'm not seeing it in the numbers.

3006
04:21:52,230 --> 04:21:58,410
So, if you just start at the top, 1600, and then we bumped it up to 1990, and then you reduced it to,

3007
04:21:59,830 --> 04:22:09,130
1890, but look at the non-residents gone down too, and from 2000 went up to 2180, and then it went down, you said it's supposed to be going up 5%.

3008
04:22:09,130 --> 04:22:16,110
So, one was the raise, two was the group that gave them the recommendation, and they went up 5 and down 5.

3009
04:22:16,890 --> 04:22:19,970
So, they're not actually scenario one or proposal one?

3010
04:22:19,970 --> 04:22:31,910
Yes, his residence price at 95% of Proposal 1, that's lower and non-resident price at 105% of Proposal 1, so that should be higher, but it's not higher, it's lower by 5%.

3011
04:22:32,250 --> 04:22:36,870
I think that proposal tooth line is all miscalculated for the residents.

3012
04:22:37,490 --> 04:22:40,670
See, he went from $2,189 down, not up 5%.

3013
04:22:40,670 --> 04:22:47,590
I shouldn't say Proposal 1, I should say the group's recommendation.

3014
04:22:49,190 --> 04:23:06,510
I just think it's a I'll look at it, but the point was proposal one was the resident was at par 1990 the non resident went 10% above 2189 to we took par and took residents down five and non resident up five.

3015
04:23:06,670 --> 04:23:08,650
See the non residents gone down five also.

3016
04:23:08,650 --> 04:23:10,310
So let me take a look at that.

3017
04:23:10,510 --> 04:23:15,250
I just think it's a calculation it could be, it could be, it should,

3018
04:23:19,330 --> 04:23:25,230
it will go down, it would go down because it would go down 5%.

3019
04:23:25,230 --> 04:23:27,310
No, it goes up 5%.

3020
04:23:28,230 --> 04:23:34,010
Non-resident goes up 5%. It says in proposal 2, it should go down 5%.

3021
04:23:34,010 --> 04:23:36,250
Okay, so you're not at the bottom is wrong.

3022
04:23:36,250 --> 04:23:42,190
Resident price at 95 percent that's going down and non-resident price 105 that's going up

3023
04:23:42,190 --> 04:23:43,750
But it's not going up is going down

3024
04:23:43,750 --> 04:23:51,730
So be 90 I'm saying up from it's what's relative to so it's from the par so it's from the it's the numbers that we had

3025
04:23:51,730 --> 04:23:52,970
Oh, it's the 1890

3026
04:23:53,690 --> 04:24:00,170
No, no, so proposal one is the updated study where we generate an additional $700,000 okay?

3027
04:24:00,170 --> 04:24:14,330
Then based up on that proposal, one is I took that par for a resident and increased it 10% to get non-resident and then on proposal two, I took that par, took residents 5% down and non-residents 5% up.

3028
04:24:14,550 --> 04:24:19,430
So there's still a 10% difference between those two, but it's based up on the par coming from the side.

3029
04:24:19,430 --> 04:24:30,570
between the 18 in the 2000 correct 89. So that's the 10% between them with that.

3030
04:24:30,670 --> 04:24:33,750
So everybody's going down from proposal two to proposal one.

3031
04:24:33,810 --> 04:24:37,290
Proposal one. But everybody's dropping. Okay.

3032
04:24:37,510 --> 04:24:38,590
Yes. Yes.

3033
04:24:39,130 --> 04:24:44,450
Well, I like proposal one then. So proposal one is simply taking part in.

3034
04:24:44,530 --> 04:24:46,230
I'd rather charge non-residents more.

3035
04:24:47,570 --> 04:24:50,070
2180, 2189, then 2,089.

3036
04:24:50,210 --> 04:24:53,030
Are you going to charge residents higher?

3037
04:24:53,870 --> 04:24:54,770
Because what my-

3038
04:24:54,770 --> 04:25:07,450
I thought we would, as I read that, we would take proposal one and drop residents to 1890, but we would bump up non-residents 5% to 2389.

3039
04:25:12,810 --> 04:25:17,130
Going up 100, 2289, going up 100 bucks, not down 100 bucks.

3040
04:25:17,130 --> 04:25:26,130
The difference between resident and non-resident will increase to 15 percent rather than 10 percent just the gap. Yeah, the gap between

3041
04:25:29,870 --> 04:25:36,170
All proposal did to is drop everybody's price every line of proposals to is less than proposal one. Yeah

3042
04:25:36,170 --> 04:25:43,550
That's what I'm saying proposal to it makes less revenue. It makes what we would project it. Yes proposal to would generate the par

3043
04:25:43,550 --> 04:25:45,330
proposal one would generate

3044
04:25:46,030 --> 04:25:50,950
a little bit more because we're taking residents as part non-resistent 10% above.

3045
04:25:51,530 --> 04:25:56,790
Do we want to sell them? That's the idea. Yeah, or do you want to make totally?

3046
04:25:57,070 --> 04:26:01,030
Yeah, I don't know. I'm just pointing it out. I see I'm reading it differently than

3047
04:26:01,030 --> 04:26:05,370
I understand it. And then the other thing I say is I would just round these all up to an even dollar.

3048
04:26:05,510 --> 04:26:10,630
I don't like 1890.50 cents. Can we just? I did that in the actual. Okay. I did that in the actual

3049
04:26:12,710 --> 04:26:23,630
So what you need is special meeting, let's say on Tuesday, the 30th, because we should

3050
04:26:25,070 --> 04:26:25,930
have that open, right?

3051
04:26:26,570 --> 04:26:27,870
Not everybody does.

3052
04:26:29,550 --> 04:26:30,790
Oh, you want a special meeting.

3053
04:26:31,030 --> 04:26:34,270
So we can have it before the Reverend County.

3054
04:26:34,790 --> 04:26:36,210
He needs to make a policy.

3055
04:26:36,430 --> 04:26:37,410
Who's the 30th?

3056
04:26:37,410 --> 04:26:41,310
Didn't Trina try to advertise this for the 25th next week?

3057
04:26:41,650 --> 04:26:44,310
I don't think she's, Robin, do you know whether she started it?

3058
04:26:45,670 --> 04:26:46,770
I don't think so.

3059
04:26:46,870 --> 04:26:47,570
She wouldn't know that.

3060
04:26:50,070 --> 04:26:51,510
That's next week on Thursday.

3061
04:26:52,310 --> 04:26:52,750
I'm Thursday.

3062
04:26:53,490 --> 04:26:54,070
I think so.

3063
04:26:54,230 --> 04:26:55,990
I think she's waiting to hear what you guys decide tonight.

3064
04:26:56,330 --> 04:26:56,990
23rd, then.

3065
04:26:57,150 --> 04:26:58,270
I'm not available next week.

3066
04:26:58,790 --> 04:26:59,810
He's 10 days notice.

3067
04:27:01,110 --> 04:27:03,870
And that's business days and weekends.

3068
04:27:04,750 --> 04:27:05,250
I believe so.

3069
04:27:05,450 --> 04:27:05,770
Okay.

3070
04:27:05,770 --> 04:27:05,850
Okay.

3071
04:27:12,040 --> 04:27:12,360
26th.

3072
04:27:13,560 --> 04:27:13,880
23rds.

3073
04:27:14,360 --> 04:27:15,000
Planning commission.

3074
04:27:15,640 --> 04:27:15,880
Yeah.

3075
04:27:16,220 --> 04:27:16,600
That's a week.

3076
04:27:16,760 --> 04:27:17,500
That's not 10 days.

3077
04:27:18,480 --> 04:27:19,300
That would be 10 days.

3078
04:27:19,660 --> 04:27:20,240
Well, from the third.

3079
04:27:20,380 --> 04:27:22,120
You want it from October 30th?

3080
04:27:22,140 --> 04:27:23,660
I would like to have it done before the first.

3081
04:27:24,780 --> 04:27:25,660
So he can make it.

3082
04:27:25,820 --> 04:27:26,320
Oh, I see.

3083
04:27:26,920 --> 04:27:27,060
Yeah.

3084
04:27:27,340 --> 04:27:28,920
We have to get it before the ribbon.

3085
04:27:29,380 --> 04:27:29,480
So.

3086
04:27:30,720 --> 04:27:32,020
And then what day do you want to do it?

3087
04:27:32,900 --> 04:27:33,220
Schedules.

3088
04:27:33,740 --> 04:27:34,620
And you know what your schedules are.

3089
04:27:35,320 --> 04:27:37,780
There's a candidate debate on the 29th.

3090
04:27:40,300 --> 04:27:45,400
And there's other engagements I have for those other days, but hey, Erin's here.

3091
04:27:45,620 --> 04:27:50,220
Okay, if she needs 10 days and she starts it tomorrow, that puts us to the 27th.

3092
04:27:50,300 --> 04:27:52,420
This earliest we can do is the 27th.

3093
04:27:52,480 --> 04:27:53,020
That's a Saturday.

3094
04:27:53,460 --> 04:27:56,520
So if we go back to Monday the 29th, that's open.

3095
04:27:57,140 --> 04:28:01,860
I can do that, or Tuesday the 30th or Wednesday the 1st.

3096
04:28:01,900 --> 04:28:06,500
So we only have three days, the 29th the 30th the 1st.

3097
04:28:06,500 --> 04:28:13,700
I'd be up for the 30th. Yeah, just to keep it simple. I'm keep the 30th. I'm in Salt Lake. I'm going down to

3098
04:28:15,000 --> 04:28:17,900
ULCT. Start the next morning. That's right.

3099
04:28:20,080 --> 04:28:25,980
I mean, we could do it. We could do it. What about on the 27th in the morning? I'll call in if you want. We could do a remote.

3100
04:28:26,660 --> 04:28:35,340
This is just that. Can we all call in? Yeah. What about the 20th? Yeah. I can be here. About the 30th at noon. Huh?

3101
04:28:37,940 --> 04:28:43,600
Yeah, when COVID it was all not just are y'all going to be it the league this year?

3102
04:28:43,900 --> 04:28:44,140
I'm not.

3103
04:28:45,620 --> 04:28:46,020
Okay.

3104
04:28:46,960 --> 04:28:47,940
Well, then May or not maybe.

3105
04:28:50,420 --> 04:28:51,240
I'll be down there.

3106
04:28:52,020 --> 04:28:53,440
I'm up for the 30th.

3107
04:28:54,860 --> 04:28:56,860
Does the public here need to be held at 6?

3108
04:28:58,480 --> 04:28:58,740
No.

3109
04:28:59,480 --> 04:28:59,880
No.

3110
04:29:01,180 --> 04:29:02,520
4 could be at 5.

3111
04:29:03,840 --> 04:29:05,860
I make this as simple as we can for your schedules.

3112
04:29:05,860 --> 04:29:12,640
We need to have one physically here in this room so that we have somewhere that I can get here here. I'd recommend you come in here.

3113
04:29:13,280 --> 04:29:14,020
Yeah, I can do that.

3114
04:29:15,200 --> 04:29:16,680
So what's your choice?

3115
04:29:16,720 --> 04:29:19,920
I'm okay with four o'clock, five o'clock, even six o'clock.

3116
04:29:20,360 --> 04:29:21,360
Five or six, not four?

3117
04:29:21,620 --> 04:29:24,660
Yeah, five or six for me. Five would be all right for me.

3118
04:29:25,900 --> 04:29:27,840
Okay, so you want Aaron, you want a six?

3119
04:29:28,300 --> 04:29:28,840
Five or six?

3120
04:29:29,020 --> 04:29:29,480
Five or six?

3121
04:29:29,600 --> 04:29:29,920
Or seven?

3122
04:29:30,200 --> 04:29:31,920
Mayor, let's do five.

3123
04:29:32,300 --> 04:29:33,660
I may not be able to come.

3124
04:29:33,660 --> 04:29:42,060
5-something. But do you guys want to go for 5-30 then? Do you want to go for 5-30 or 6?

3125
04:29:42,560 --> 04:29:50,540
I'm fine. 5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5. What is it? 6 o'clock.

3126
04:29:50,940 --> 04:29:57,800
6 o'clock. Tuesday, September 30, 6 o'clock. All right. We got it. 6-30.

3127
04:29:57,800 --> 04:29:58,740
I'll stand in.

3128
04:29:58,900 --> 04:29:59,960
Hey Matt, when you win...

3129
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:28,400
Go, and I appreciate the idea of non-residents paying more. I got curious about our other fees. I don't know if we want to do this, but some of our other fees are really all wack to do. So opening closing on weekdays on normal gravesites, non-resident pays 31% more, opening closing on weekends, the only pay 17% more. It's the same issue up all over the place.

3130
04:30:28,400 --> 04:30:35,880
So I think by default, I think we ought to go to non-residents paying more by a percentage

3131
04:30:35,880 --> 04:30:38,860
maybe the next time we think about it, because that makes it really easy to explain.

3132
04:30:39,500 --> 04:30:44,000
And then one other question I had, where we're breaking off those fees for the things that

3133
04:30:44,000 --> 04:30:45,040
are different, right?

3134
04:30:45,100 --> 04:30:47,180
So the enrichment or whatever it means.

3135
04:30:47,600 --> 04:30:52,740
The niche opening and closing, does staff have the ability to not charge that fee?

3136
04:30:52,740 --> 04:31:02,160
So for instance, a police officer, something like that, would they have the ability to say we're going to waive that this time?

3137
04:31:02,700 --> 04:31:11,860
So I've had to do with an employee killed in line of duty and what we did in that situation is the city stepped up and paid for all burial costs.

3138
04:31:12,460 --> 04:31:18,220
I imagine if something happened, God forbid, that we would come before you and request that to take place.

3139
04:31:24,400 --> 04:31:32,380
That's what I was asking is do they have the ability to say you know what we're not going to we're not going to do that yeah yeah no

3140
04:31:37,720 --> 04:31:38,060
no I

3141
04:31:38,060 --> 04:31:46,900
added column K with column L to get the total column M. What staff talked about is is consolidating those instead of having a

3142
04:31:46,900 --> 04:31:48,860
a bunch of independent fees that are confusing,

3143
04:31:49,380 --> 04:31:53,200
just to consolidate the care fee with the niche fee

3144
04:31:53,200 --> 04:31:54,120
and make it just one fee.

3145
04:31:55,120 --> 04:31:58,920
Maybe add, I'm just gonna say maybe add,

3146
04:31:59,020 --> 04:32:01,540
if that's the case, I'd love to add the language

3147
04:32:01,540 --> 04:32:03,060
that there's a part of this that's going

3148
04:32:03,060 --> 04:32:04,680
to a care endowment or something like that.

3149
04:32:04,720 --> 04:32:05,460
Just so people understand.

3150
04:32:05,960 --> 04:32:07,500
Do you have any needs to put that in the contract?

3151
04:32:07,980 --> 04:32:09,040
That's the same thing, there's a plot.

3152
04:32:09,400 --> 04:32:10,960
If you buy a plot, there's some percentage

3153
04:32:10,960 --> 04:32:12,960
of generally call that's going to perpetual care.

3154
04:32:13,120 --> 04:32:15,960
Just to remind people that that's part of what they're

3155
04:32:15,960 --> 04:32:19,040
I'm paying for here is that I'm going to let it.

3156
04:32:19,740 --> 04:32:21,100
Okay, are you clear Matt?

3157
04:32:21,420 --> 04:32:23,700
We're coming back and we'll get this advertised.

3158
04:32:23,820 --> 04:32:25,900
Okay, are you ready for communication items?

3159
04:32:26,180 --> 04:32:27,000
Yeah, let me bring it up.

3160
04:32:27,240 --> 04:32:27,880
Thank you.

3161
04:32:32,810 --> 04:32:35,510
I also have a communication item before we're done mayor.

3162
04:32:35,610 --> 04:32:36,030
So that's okay.

3163
04:32:38,890 --> 04:32:40,330
Might still be a presenter.

3164
04:32:42,760 --> 04:32:43,140
That's good.

3165
04:32:52,780 --> 04:32:55,040
So I've got on my screen a PowerPoint now.

3166
04:32:59,300 --> 04:33:00,380
You shared Excel.

3167
04:33:00,580 --> 04:33:01,540
You just have to change your share.

3168
04:33:01,660 --> 04:33:03,480
I'm sharing and then we share Matt.

3169
04:33:15,620 --> 04:33:16,360
Yeah, there we go.

3170
04:33:16,360 --> 04:33:24,360
All right. Council, I've got a number of things. I want to share with you. First is the

3171
04:33:24,360 --> 04:33:29,960
Combarium Ribbon Cutting and Program. If you would mind taking one of these, and this

3172
04:33:29,960 --> 04:33:36,800
is the act of program for the Ribbon Cutting. Just to refresh your memory, we've got three

3173
04:33:36,800 --> 04:33:43,980
days of open houses. They go from Wednesday, October 1st, Tuesday, October 2nd, and Friday,

3174
04:33:43,980 --> 04:33:49,500
October 3rd, and then the ribbon cutting, of course, is also on the 3rd of October.

3175
04:33:50,140 --> 04:33:55,460
Those are being planned and set in motion, but what I'm in need of tonight is if you'll

3176
04:33:55,460 --> 04:34:03,040
notice on the program for the ribbon cutting down there, you will see approximately two-thirds

3177
04:34:03,040 --> 04:34:04,780
of the way down on the front table.

3178
04:34:06,140 --> 04:34:12,880
Council member comments. I wanted to invite council members the opportunity to make a remark.

3179
04:34:14,000 --> 04:34:18,060
And if so, let me capture that so I can pick your name here. I'm also looking for someone

3180
04:34:18,060 --> 04:34:23,160
to do a dedicated prayer. I didn't know if council was interested in doing that, or whether

3181
04:34:23,660 --> 04:34:27,480
maybe you think I'm asking Mark, or maybe someone else. So I wanted to give the first right

3182
04:34:27,480 --> 04:34:32,140
refusal to summon the council if that you feel so inclined. But anyway, the main thing

3183
04:34:32,140 --> 04:34:37,140
Here is if there is a member of the council that would like to make a minute remark I need to know that site

3184
04:34:37,140 --> 04:34:38,880
Put this on the agenda

3185
04:34:38,880 --> 04:34:39,800
We

3186
04:34:46,560 --> 04:34:48,620
ask about a dedicatory prayer

3187
04:34:52,040 --> 04:34:54,120
What if we ask Shane Finley to give that

3188
04:34:57,290 --> 04:35:00,830
James James smelly. He dedicated shame shame family

3189
04:35:04,380 --> 04:35:08,920
and maybe the Mountain Machine, the church or whatever, the pastor over there.

3190
04:35:09,100 --> 04:35:09,220
Yes.

3191
04:35:10,920 --> 04:35:13,020
Can do that or you can do with those.

3192
04:35:16,080 --> 04:35:21,740
I'm wondering if Catherine Berg or the Jewish leader of the Jewish church in the park.

3193
04:35:22,560 --> 04:35:24,280
Give me some names and I'll all love.

3194
04:35:26,280 --> 04:35:28,600
Maybe Ron Carmel has an idea.

3195
04:35:30,760 --> 04:35:31,160
There

3196
04:35:33,650 --> 04:35:35,250
are plenty of people to ask.

3197
04:35:36,930 --> 04:35:37,030
Okay.

3198
04:35:37,870 --> 04:35:40,030
Council members, are you interested in making any remarks?

3199
04:35:42,790 --> 04:35:43,470
I'm not doing it.

3200
04:35:44,430 --> 04:35:44,610
Okay.

3201
04:35:45,470 --> 04:35:46,010
All right.

3202
04:35:46,370 --> 04:35:47,050
Let me move on then.

3203
04:35:47,670 --> 04:35:50,770
I will look with Catherine Bergsee if her husband wants to.

3204
04:35:50,910 --> 04:35:52,490
I'll go with Ron as if he's got some recommendations.

3205
04:35:53,270 --> 04:35:53,290
Okay.

3206
04:35:54,490 --> 04:36:00,290
Probably somebody that would be part of that historical recognition.

3207
04:36:00,770 --> 04:36:01,070
I love it.

3208
04:36:01,070 --> 04:36:05,490
All right. Let me move on. Then really quick. Next is Roundabout Art.

3209
04:36:05,750 --> 04:36:09,590
Oh, yeah. Yes. This is a program. I know Catherine's

3210
04:36:09,590 --> 04:36:12,970
is spelled with a case. I saw that email. Okay. Yeah. Yep.

3211
04:36:15,750 --> 04:36:19,190
All right. Roundabout Art. Just let you know we have got,

3212
04:36:19,470 --> 04:36:24,510
we have commissioned the artist to do the eagle on the Daniel Road Roundabout.

3213
04:36:24,750 --> 04:36:28,350
That's expected to be done sometime in late November. So that is underway.

3214
04:36:28,350 --> 04:36:35,610
way. In terms of a 550 roundabout update, the sheep dog on the right side is nearing

3215
04:36:35,610 --> 04:36:41,370
completion. It should be installed next week. I've been told they wanted adjacent to the

3216
04:36:41,370 --> 04:36:46,350
guy on the horse and it's closer to him than the sheep, so I've communicated that to Jonathan

3217
04:36:46,350 --> 04:36:52,010
Levine and he's going to make that happen. He's also going to, once he comes and installs

3218
04:36:52,010 --> 04:36:56,690
a sheep dog, he's going to go up to this roundabout. He's going to meet with a couple people

3219
04:36:56,690 --> 04:37:02,950
who are interested in donating $15,000 to art on this roundabout if it's

3220
04:37:02,950 --> 04:37:08,670
chief tabby or something related to chief tabby. Wow. So what they've talked

3221
04:37:08,670 --> 04:37:13,470
about is is the picture on the right. Now I recognize that's a female but the

3222
04:37:13,470 --> 04:37:19,370
notion is you would have chief tabby in his dress pulling a horse that is in

3223
04:37:19,370 --> 04:37:23,030
its dress. And so I show you that just to kind of give you a sense of what they

3224
04:37:23,030 --> 04:37:27,930
want to do. Johnson is going to look at it to see if he can do it and then of course

3225
04:37:27,930 --> 04:37:33,250
he does enough room in that roundabout to pull it off. Once he can make sure that's

3226
04:37:33,250 --> 04:37:37,350
the case, we're going to get some concepts from Jonathan and then we're going to go to

3227
04:37:37,350 --> 04:37:42,210
the Tipinogus tribe and make sure we get their blessings. I need your blessings first.

3228
04:37:42,830 --> 04:37:44,970
I see Mike that's going to be enough space for a horse.

3229
04:37:45,910 --> 04:37:49,310
It's 27 feet ironically, that roundabout.

3230
04:37:54,470 --> 04:38:00,170
I need your consensus. Are you okay with that type of art in that roundabout?

3231
04:38:00,730 --> 04:38:08,070
Yes, please. Do they want him to not be leading the horse but to be on the horse or eating the horse?

3232
04:38:10,510 --> 04:38:13,450
I don't know. I don't know.

3233
04:38:13,450 --> 04:38:14,030
That's a story.

3234
04:38:16,030 --> 04:38:22,230
Remember, it's she's happy and buried in the sun that was killed and

3235
04:38:25,180 --> 04:38:27,800
brought in sun on a horse

3236
04:38:29,380 --> 04:38:37,740
to a neighborhood patch and ask for a priesthood blessing or for a normal type thing

3237
04:38:38,500 --> 04:38:44,060
with the priesthood there and did that, that they burned his or they buried his pony

3238
04:38:58,660 --> 04:39:13,660
I mean, I have no idea what full dress would be. I don't know if that would honor him or not, but I think it could and I would want that to be as elegant or, you know, as fitting as possible to honor his position.

3239
04:39:13,660 --> 04:39:14,840
in the tribe.

3240
04:39:14,940 --> 04:39:16,680
It's relatively easy to reach out to the tribe.

3241
04:39:16,920 --> 04:39:19,120
They have a kind of contact on their site.

3242
04:39:19,420 --> 04:39:19,780
I'm sorry.

3243
04:39:20,020 --> 04:39:22,740
Are we going to reach out and make a purchase and make sure we're on the way?

3244
04:39:22,820 --> 04:39:23,560
We have to.

3245
04:39:23,860 --> 04:39:23,940
Yes, we have to.

3246
04:39:24,460 --> 04:39:24,980
We have to.

3247
04:39:25,300 --> 04:39:25,820
We have to.

3248
04:39:26,420 --> 04:39:26,700
Okay.

3249
04:39:27,220 --> 04:39:27,400
Yeah.

3250
04:39:30,340 --> 04:39:34,580
So, Council, we'll still have a lot of refining to do, but before I spend any time going

3251
04:39:34,580 --> 04:39:36,600
down this path, do I have your blessings to do that?

3252
04:39:36,900 --> 04:39:38,020
I think 50% is correct.

3253
04:39:38,360 --> 04:39:40,080
Or do you think you're going to need to come back for funds?

3254
04:39:40,840 --> 04:39:46,640
I think we, I don't know what's going to cost, I know that the heart on the Daniel Road

3255
04:39:46,640 --> 04:39:49,740
Roundabout is not as expensive as I thought it was going to be, and there's probably

3256
04:39:49,740 --> 04:39:54,800
10,000 left over from there, we could push over, that makes 25,000, so that probably put

3257
04:39:54,800 --> 04:39:59,440
us close based on what the horseman on 550 cost us, so I think we might be close to getting

3258
04:39:59,440 --> 04:40:03,260
it done, but won't know until Levine gets in there and does his estimate.

3259
04:40:03,260 --> 04:40:06,240
But I like it.

3260
04:40:07,500 --> 04:40:07,840
Me too.

3261
04:40:08,500 --> 04:40:11,260
It's a very Hebrew Valley historic story.

3262
04:40:11,940 --> 04:40:12,400
Yeah, it's true.

3263
04:40:12,700 --> 04:40:13,780
Mark, I made them all up.

3264
04:40:14,740 --> 04:40:14,980
Okay.

3265
04:40:15,360 --> 04:40:26,980
Next item is I was asked by Eric Rollin to request from this body the selection of two

3266
04:40:26,980 --> 04:40:34,440
council members to join with a Wasatch County subcommittee to vision viable future uses for

3267
04:40:34,440 --> 04:40:39,160
the county administration parcel. I thought we already had that committee of Scott and I.

3268
04:40:40,420 --> 04:40:45,120
I don't know if you want to go for those two or some of new. This is actually a new endeavor.

3269
04:40:45,540 --> 04:40:52,080
This is looking at the parcel and seeing what ultimate uses could go there and work as a

3270
04:40:52,080 --> 04:40:57,200
partnership to perhaps realize that vision in the future. And so, Council, it's up to you.

3271
04:40:57,360 --> 04:41:00,560
You can go with Scott and Heidi. If those two already, I think that makes sense.

3272
04:41:00,560 --> 04:41:06,200
But it depends how fast it gets off the ground if you guys want to you know volunteer, you know

3273
04:41:06,200 --> 04:41:14,200
I'm sure Scott and I are still open. Why is this different from the purchase? They want to know the uses before the purchase is that it?

3274
04:41:15,340 --> 04:41:23,060
I think they they lost that county council. I'm that I get it when I speak for them. I can speak for what I've actually heard if you'd rather

3275
04:41:23,760 --> 04:41:29,540
So I've been contacted by two of the county member or council members who have expressed concerns of

3276
04:41:30,340 --> 04:41:36,400
maximizing a profitable something there and looking for a more and looking for

3277
04:41:36,400 --> 04:41:41,660
more civic use if they were to contemplate sale and there I think their

3278
04:41:41,660 --> 04:41:45,820
feedback to us was come along with us on this and let's talk about it rather

3279
04:41:45,820 --> 04:41:51,120
than the the thing that we've said publicly which is hey we're interested we'd

3280
04:41:51,120 --> 04:41:55,460
like to do a RFP's the wrong word but a study to figure out what you know

3281
04:41:55,460 --> 04:41:59,200
what's possible they didn't like that idea I don't it's just two that I've

3282
04:41:59,200 --> 04:42:03,300
to talk to you, but those two did not like that idea, and both of them asked us to think

3283
04:42:03,300 --> 04:42:08,980
of civic uses, and then the feedback was, my feedback to them was, hey, that's good

3284
04:42:08,980 --> 04:42:13,580
insight, which we've never heard. And I think they came back with it in our subgroup.

3285
04:42:13,840 --> 04:42:17,920
Sure. I think they're coming back and saying, great, come along with us. Let's talk about

3286
04:42:17,920 --> 04:42:19,240
it. Let's think about it. Let's consider.

3287
04:42:19,920 --> 04:42:20,120
Okay.

3288
04:42:20,300 --> 04:42:24,200
There's a thought to partner with us rather than sell it to us.

3289
04:42:24,760 --> 04:42:25,000
Okay.

3290
04:42:25,000 --> 04:42:25,860
Yeah.

3291
04:42:26,040 --> 04:42:26,660
What was that?

3292
04:42:26,820 --> 04:42:27,980
The actual idea.

3293
04:42:28,340 --> 04:42:30,200
As an anecdote there.

3294
04:42:30,720 --> 04:42:34,480
One of us on a really great downtown civic project that would show.

3295
04:42:36,560 --> 04:42:37,600
Do a lot of things.

3296
04:42:37,940 --> 04:42:40,080
One of the two people I talked to you.

3297
04:42:40,240 --> 04:42:42,480
I mentioned an idea I had.

3298
04:42:43,020 --> 04:42:47,460
And kind of off the cuff said, well, that, but that would never work because I can't,

3299
04:42:47,460 --> 04:42:54,100
I can't go to taxpayers and pay full, full, full market value for something that would be no return.

3300
04:42:54,100 --> 04:43:00,080
right? And the individual said, well, actually, if that's the way you were looking at, we'd probably come down a lot in price.

3301
04:43:00,920 --> 04:43:08,340
You know, so they have this mentality of thinking through, well, if they like it, and it's something that's more civic minded, perhaps we can negotiate a lot more than we thought possible.

3302
04:43:08,960 --> 04:43:10,280
So that's where they're coming from.

3303
04:43:10,400 --> 04:43:17,840
So, Council, I would love to be a part of that, 100% if you'd want me to be a part of the subcommittee.

3304
04:43:22,280 --> 04:43:28,580
I would love to do that too, but I think I'm not going to, just because of my own property across the street.

3305
04:43:29,660 --> 04:43:31,000
And I think that's too close.

3306
04:43:31,240 --> 04:43:38,160
This block is very, very important to Heber City and the Heber Valley for the historic preservation of it.

3307
04:43:38,900 --> 04:43:45,320
I'd be happy to, but I just got on that arts one, and that seemed like it's going to take a bit of time, so.

3308
04:43:50,400 --> 04:44:01,260
I think so. I think so. I think so. Sooner or later, I think. Well, I'm happy to keep going this year, right? And I'm just pretty sure it's going to go into next year too and so. I agree with that.

3309
04:44:01,260 --> 04:44:15,320
Okay, so Sid and Heidi, moving on, I have spoken with Dustin and Eric when he spoke with

3310
04:44:15,320 --> 04:44:19,640
me and the county is still very interested in executing a purchase sell agreement with

3311
04:44:19,640 --> 04:44:24,540
us for the firehouse and so you could probably see action on this hopefully within the next

3312
04:44:24,540 --> 04:44:25,420
month or two perhaps.

3313
04:44:25,420 --> 04:44:30,780
So they're not concerned about using it for transportation any longer, or storage.

3314
04:44:31,700 --> 04:44:34,120
They've indicated to me they're willing to enter into a deal with us.

3315
04:44:35,820 --> 04:44:37,580
This is about the appraisal price?

3316
04:44:38,660 --> 04:44:40,540
I think they're willing to go with the appraisal price.

3317
04:44:40,660 --> 04:44:41,560
I've not heard anything different.

3318
04:44:41,940 --> 04:44:43,360
I'm not led to believe it'd be anything different.

3319
04:44:47,470 --> 04:44:47,870
Yes.

3320
04:44:49,030 --> 04:44:49,830
So, drumroll.

3321
04:44:50,010 --> 04:44:50,410
Water losses.

3322
04:44:50,690 --> 04:44:51,710
Let me give you some context.

3323
04:44:52,850 --> 04:44:59,970
For the last three or four years, we have been confused, flummoxed by...

3324
04:45:00,020 --> 04:45:08,640
An increasing water loss report. Typically, in local government, assistance, water, water systems

3325
04:45:08,640 --> 04:45:14,640
management, water loss percentage is less than 10% is deemed essentially a standard, industry

3326
04:45:14,640 --> 04:45:23,160
standard. Our losses were above 20%. And Russ and Matthew were working feverishly to

3327
04:45:23,160 --> 04:45:29,060
figure something out. We weren't getting anywhere fast. What made it more frustrating is we've

3328
04:45:29,060 --> 04:45:34,420
Replace almost every water line on the on the central district on the east side and we weren't see numbers come down

3329
04:45:35,000 --> 04:45:41,200
And my staff had a billion of idea of putting locks literally locks on the hydrants

3330
04:45:41,200 --> 04:45:48,540
We completed that in May, you'll notice that since May what has happened to our water loss report

3331
04:45:48,540 --> 04:45:49,700
work. What?

3332
04:45:54,160 --> 04:45:58,940
Fantastic. And no complaints, right? Because no one dares to admit. Right.

3333
04:45:59,380 --> 04:46:04,880
That's construction. This is. Do you have the other line that goes up with paid construction

3334
04:46:04,880 --> 04:46:10,200
tasks? You know what? I've got you to look at that. There really would be. You know, we

3335
04:46:10,200 --> 04:46:16,840
were kind of wondering at the sewer district, why are raccoons in the storage areas were

3336
04:46:16,840 --> 04:46:22,160
being drawn down so much. And it makes, I don't know, I'm going to try to figure that connection out.

3337
04:46:22,280 --> 04:46:25,160
But wow, that is so drastic. Yes.

3338
04:46:25,800 --> 04:46:31,380
That means that our revenue should be increasing too.

3339
04:46:32,540 --> 04:46:37,100
For meter sales, yes. Yes, it's very useful.

3340
04:46:37,720 --> 04:46:44,280
It is. We are working out a theft issue with the contractor for the new high school

3341
04:46:45,260 --> 04:46:55,260
working through that, so we do know there has been theft, we do know that locks have curtailed it significantly, and we'll continue to monitor it.

3342
04:46:56,820 --> 04:46:57,480
That's great.

3343
04:46:57,980 --> 04:47:03,460
If we go back to April March, February, January, those are all above 20%.

3344
04:47:03,460 --> 04:47:05,120
Yes, even through the winter.

3345
04:47:05,480 --> 04:47:10,780
Can I make a comment on Mike's question?

3346
04:47:10,780 --> 04:47:11,760
Yeah.

3347
04:47:12,320 --> 04:47:13,440
This is Matthew Ginnard.

3348
04:47:14,380 --> 04:47:20,720
So during the winter months, Mindy does averaging.

3349
04:47:21,240 --> 04:47:27,620
So those months, we did pull the data, but it wasn't necessarily useful because we didn't

3350
04:47:27,620 --> 04:47:32,380
have accurate need to read just because during the winter months, we were averaging.

3351
04:47:33,140 --> 04:47:35,060
So that's why we did not include those.

3352
04:47:35,060 --> 04:47:45,580
And May is actually when we begin installing the locks we finished up right around June.

3353
04:47:46,820 --> 04:47:54,560
So that's the the curved downward begins in May and and obviously it keeps going down

3354
04:47:54,560 --> 04:47:55,220
after that.

3355
04:47:57,880 --> 04:48:06,220
We did have a few contractors come up to us while we were installing the while we were installing

3356
04:48:06,220 --> 04:48:14,700
the locks and say where are we going to get our water now. So that's awesome.

3357
04:48:14,800 --> 04:48:21,040
Down to City Hall to pick up our, to pick up hydrant meters which we've purchased.

3358
04:48:21,480 --> 04:48:28,740
I believe 12 more hydrant meters, all of which have been rented out. We have, we have none on

3359
04:48:28,740 --> 04:48:31,520
in stock currently because they're all rented out.

3360
04:48:31,760 --> 04:48:35,560
Wow, we met you way to go.

3361
04:48:35,840 --> 04:48:38,200
That was a phenomenal response so quick

3362
04:48:38,600 --> 04:48:40,780
and it has actually nailed the issue.

3363
04:48:41,180 --> 04:48:41,380
Wow.

3364
04:48:42,080 --> 04:48:43,100
That's a great question.

3365
04:48:43,380 --> 04:48:44,020
Absolutely.

3366
04:48:44,500 --> 04:48:47,500
It just does it for a minute at 10 every week.

3367
04:48:47,660 --> 04:48:49,000
And then lastly, just an update.

3368
04:48:50,400 --> 04:48:53,680
Recall, you proved an amendment to the Jordan O'Rige

3369
04:48:53,680 --> 04:48:55,620
master development agreement that modified

3370
04:48:55,620 --> 04:48:56,980
the affordable housing requirements.

3371
04:48:56,980 --> 04:49:04,780
It really essentially fast-forward to the timeline to bring 15 homes online for affordable housing use.

3372
04:49:05,600 --> 04:49:10,080
The first two are going to go out to, what's toward the use?

3373
04:49:10,680 --> 04:49:13,820
We are going to lock. What's that?

3374
04:49:15,300 --> 04:49:17,600
Well, yeah, it's going to central employees, but there's a...

3375
04:49:17,600 --> 04:49:19,140
It's going to be available for applicants.

3376
04:49:19,200 --> 04:49:20,180
Lottery, it's a lot rewarded.

3377
04:49:20,440 --> 04:49:25,280
So they are going to be doing a lottery for central employees per the agreement in about four weeks.

3378
04:49:25,280 --> 04:49:29,600
We're going to spend the four weeks advertising, promoting to make sure that all the central

3379
04:49:29,600 --> 04:49:32,640
employees of the hospital, the city, the county, the school district, the other districts

3380
04:49:32,640 --> 04:49:36,220
are aware, they can put their name in the hat and make sure they're qualified to do that.

3381
04:49:37,040 --> 04:49:43,000
So, council, I applaud you. You approved that agreement. We now have formal housing's coming up for

3382
04:49:43,000 --> 04:49:49,000
placement. Well done. That's fantastic. I'm so glad you went with the lottery idea because if it can

3383
04:49:49,000 --> 04:49:55,260
be done openly and fairly like that and everybody has a fair chance, you know, to obtain it,

3384
04:49:55,280 --> 04:49:56,540
And you're going to help.

3385
04:49:56,860 --> 04:50:00,020
I noticed Tony sent out that pre-qualification seminar.

3386
04:50:00,380 --> 04:50:02,680
At least I thought I thought that was fantastic.

3387
04:50:03,780 --> 04:50:06,460
Do we know if the county's doing anything like that?

3388
04:50:06,820 --> 04:50:08,600
Or will they, if they win the lottery,

3389
04:50:09,200 --> 04:50:11,600
will they still have time to get pre-qualified?

3390
04:50:11,880 --> 04:50:13,300
Yeah, so there's a lot of work they've got to do

3391
04:50:13,300 --> 04:50:14,580
to qualify for the lottery.

3392
04:50:15,160 --> 04:50:17,420
And only to qualify, will they be the name you

3393
04:50:17,420 --> 04:50:18,320
put in the hat, sort of speak.

3394
04:50:18,740 --> 04:50:19,080
OK.

3395
04:50:19,900 --> 04:50:21,720
I can really walk a golden ticket.

3396
04:50:21,720 --> 04:50:21,780
it.

3397
04:50:24,240 --> 04:50:30,000
I got a golden key, right? Let's get more units. I don't want matter as much. Well,

3398
04:50:30,220 --> 04:50:33,060
it still needs to be done fairly like that, right? That's it.

3399
04:50:35,760 --> 04:50:38,440
Sorry, I have the communication

3400
04:50:38,440 --> 04:50:43,580
item if I may. Okay, all in favor? Yeah. Wait, Russ has a communication.

3401
04:50:46,260 --> 04:50:48,240
The Central Heber

3402
04:50:57,140 --> 04:51:18,040
We'll have one more block to pay that will be, I think it's going to be September 26th, but it will be sometime that week. That will be the last paving. And then there's basically going to be cleanup and restoration that's going to take us mid to end of October. But it's wrapping up quickly to a couple of things I want to make you aware of our last.

3403
04:51:18,040 --> 04:51:24,800
water service is expected to be connected this Friday. It depends on the results of the

3404
04:51:24,800 --> 04:51:29,660
bacteria testing that we're supposed to have those results back today. I need to check. I haven't

3405
04:51:29,660 --> 04:51:34,140
been able to follow up on that. But potentially Friday, if not Friday, it's going to be next week.

3406
04:51:34,140 --> 04:51:39,780
We're trying to put together a picture or something to kind of celebrate this last connection of this

3407
04:51:39,780 --> 04:51:43,940
huge project. So that's one thing I want to be make you aware of trying to coordinate with Ryan

3408
04:51:43,940 --> 04:51:45,900
and then we may reach out and try to invite you

3409
04:51:45,900 --> 04:51:47,220
to come for a picture or something.

3410
04:51:47,640 --> 04:51:49,440
That should go in the time capsule.

3411
04:51:52,040 --> 04:51:54,140
Second thing, I'm trying to be quick here

3412
04:51:54,140 --> 04:51:58,320
is the contractor wants to do a thank you barbecue

3413
04:51:58,320 --> 04:52:01,640
to the community for working with them patiently

3414
04:52:01,640 --> 04:52:03,160
for four years.

3415
04:52:03,660 --> 04:52:07,160
And so there's a barbecue scheduled for the 25th,

3416
04:52:07,540 --> 04:52:10,420
September 25th, it's going to be at Main Street Park,

3417
04:52:10,420 --> 04:52:12,100
it's going to be from four to seven.

3418
04:52:12,100 --> 04:52:23,340
We will put some information out on social media and there's been some other stuff that will go out on the on the project web page, but just FYI September 25th.

3419
04:52:23,340 --> 04:52:34,840
They're going to have some raffle drawings that the subcontractors and contractor and engineer are donating some prizes, there'll be some other swag and things like that.

3420
04:52:34,840 --> 04:52:41,560
But anyway, that's I want to make you wear that in September the 25th main street park. It'll be from four to seven

3421
04:52:42,540 --> 04:52:45,860
They're inviting the east side is that the idea?

3422
04:52:47,320 --> 04:52:52,200
The idea is to invite those that were impacted most by the project. I to be honest

3423
04:52:52,200 --> 04:52:56,580
They're they're really having a hard time trying to figure out how many people the plan for they're kind of thinking well

3424
04:52:56,580 --> 04:53:00,580
Well, I think it'll be around 300. I have no idea. I said you I

3425
04:53:00,580 --> 04:53:02,020
I don't know

3426
04:53:05,160 --> 04:53:09,460
target text. I think we just let them be in charge of it and see how it goes and if they have

3427
04:53:09,460 --> 04:53:13,800
to run and pick up more hot dogs they have to run and pick up more hot dogs. But anyway,

3428
04:53:13,960 --> 04:53:20,800
it sounds good. Please come in and just let us know about the Friday picture time if possible.

3429
04:53:21,160 --> 04:53:26,760
Yeah, I just need a good luck. Russ, this is going to be such a relief for you and your team.

3430
04:53:27,680 --> 04:53:30,400
Wow. Public works. Can you believe it was four years?

3431
04:53:30,400 --> 04:53:37,300
team, they have put countless hours in on flushing, bacteria testing, water shut off,

3432
04:53:37,460 --> 04:53:37,860
noticing.

3433
04:53:38,380 --> 04:53:40,020
So it's been a huge team effort.

3434
04:53:41,670 --> 04:53:42,320
That's amazing.

3435
04:53:43,000 --> 04:53:47,800
We didn't quite know what we were getting ourselves into, but to get this far and get

3436
04:53:47,800 --> 04:53:51,440
it done, absolutely astounding.

3437
04:53:51,900 --> 04:53:59,040
People will not realize the amount of work that staff has done to get this project over

3438
04:53:59,040 --> 04:53:59,720
the finish line.

3439
04:53:59,720 --> 04:54:10,220
Absolutely amazing. That was a full court press for four years. Wow. Back to maybe the day job, right, Russ? Not all the extra.

3440
04:54:12,400 --> 04:54:13,940
We have a motion to adjourn.

3441
04:54:15,580 --> 04:54:21,400
Let's pay the bond first, right, or those bonds. Okay, let's take the vote all in favor of adjourning.

3442
04:54:21,400 --> 04:54:24,280
Yes. Yes. Hi. Yes. Thank you. That passed.