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6 o'clock, let's go ahead and get started. Go ahead and start. We'll have a roll call. I have myself here. We have

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All right. Is this okay? Can I just get here?

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Yeah, we can go.

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Yeah, you can.

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You can sit there if you want.

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When I start getting into it, we sort of type a lot of stuff

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by my actions to do what does.

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Just turn the mic.

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And maybe we can even throw it on the wall.

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But for tonight, this is the first time I get to show you

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some really talk with you about some things.

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And so, first thing I've got to do,

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is I can make sure I put on the agenda

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to not be angry.

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Thank you.

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I hope it's not that big of a deal to you guys, but huge big deal to me, oh my gosh,

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even though the panic I had was like, wait, the third one stays on, I didn't think I

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had the colors of the books.

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There's another thing as far as project hygiene goes, I will start sending you a document

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or maybe I'll post it on the website or something.

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You just need to be able to have a line of things because the things we talk about tonight

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so you don't want to try to capture all this stuff.

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I'll be capturing it and then it's going to be free flow, like I don't think tonight we're going to solve all the problems of whatever topic we talked about.

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But it'll give us a kind of a break on the path of what we talked about, how we got to certain things.

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So that hopefully will save us some time.

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So knowing that I came out of the last meeting, and there was this laundry, it was in multiple

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page full of points of, you know, telling what you guys don't like and what are the

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pain points in you guys, but it's that, it's that, it's that, it's that.

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So I tried to buy off the probably the biggest one, and there were some themes of what I heard.

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So I want to talk to you here about conditional use permits, your whole process, I heard a lot

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about that last time. So I put that on the first. Second thing I want to talk about tonight

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would be nuisance and code enforcement. I don't think we're going to get all of it done,

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but you guys being the planning commissioner will start through.

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And then if we have time,

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I want to get into the rest of these dark skies. You're going to have a plan and talk about dark skies

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a lot. There's some ways to do it and then there's way to just talk about dark skies. So I want to talk

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about how hard do you guys want to push on that in case?

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Then, again, these are all, I tried to put these in private,

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or you don't need to know about all this,

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but there are a few things that haven't been

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about such as such, that are just want to use

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the professional technical term.

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I want to show you, especially this last year,

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I want to show you some of the changes we've made

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that these are the things we don't really need

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to discuss as much because state law

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you kind of want to show us.

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But you should not be surprised when you do.

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And then there's just some things that are in your general planning or strategic plan

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that we take some of our easy fixes, and we just made those.

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Others we want to talk about.

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I got three little old ones on that, but I don't want to go through.

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And then we won't have time by the time we get to these, but unless you guys are really

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decisive, land use of authority, I just preface me on this one.

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How big of a conversation do you guys have when you were put together, your sub-vision

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ordinance on who the land use authority is from different application types. Did you

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go down that rabbit hole? We actually pushed that out. So we adopted whatever was state

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gave us. So now they... I want to talk to you guys about that because there's been six months

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of triggered of what that law has actually done in rural rural. I don't want to see this work in

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And for you guys, if you want to do that.

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And then anyway, and then we just got to make sure

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that we save a little bit of time at the end

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for me to get along with this, you know,

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a fresh one or your list of them.

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We've talked about this, you know,

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I actually want to read the ones you want to work with,

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and then just to make some housekeeping stuff.

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So, it's that's okay.

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And there's, I mean, I work for you guys.

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So whatever else you guys want to talk about,

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change this order, or whatever, I'm interested in.

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Okay, so I have to remember all the parts and conditional uses that we changed. There were many

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Those are made for myself and I

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Some of these were weekly, I have to go current code. Oh, yeah, here's what it was

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So we didn't think that would be a good deal for a town near size.

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So we got into some of these uses that we think may you would see.

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Because right now, a person that wants to do, like a in-home danger,

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has to jump through the same groups as somebody who wants to do it.

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Like, as a P&D, as a commissioners, we're grabbing the operation right here.

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You know that?

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That's how many changes are there.

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So you're initially, we want to see if you guys haven't had the type to have,

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I don't know how much time people are sitting around looking for something to do.

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So, but then again, you guys, you know, coming in for a meeting to talk about some of these

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slums that are from the way that I signed to parking problems, I don't know if that's

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worth your time either, so I'll get into that.

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We think there's two tracks that basically we call it a conditional use, we call it the

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Do you actually have somebody that's got that job title that I haven't changed at all?

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We got to unknowing somebody to be the administrative

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of my new support. Where that is, if you can't have a

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administrator or reading the clerk through the work,

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define. Would you prefer that to be

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color, would you prefer to use the clerks? I don't know. If that can

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have a recorder do that.

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Yeah, that might be true. I mean, that might be...

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that she can't do. She can't do it.

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Because you got to get an armistice.

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Yes, I've got to get an armistice.

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You could be planning for some chair.

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It could be, I don't know.

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I'll just make a note that we need to define.

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Yeah, is this the concept, or I know we talked about.

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We're like the change you just mentioned.

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Why go to the Izzy committee,

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don't like the delay in doing it.

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It's like sitting all over.

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What's the typical manner

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I don't know which somebody would put the threshold for what you would go to the zone and you guys decide what's typical and what it is typical stuff is is there likely to be?

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Well, okay, so the whole reason why you would do any conditional use permit that all is because you're saying we're saying yes to this use like a salon.

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sure, if it doesn't have the, you know what I mean, like, if it doesn't have like high impact,

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then sure, just do it. You don't want to say that you did it outside unless it really is,

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you know, like a house or residential zone. That's permitted out like that. You would expect that.

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Yeah. But like, like a home occupation word, that still probably is a good,

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condition because like a home so long thing they should probably pay a $15 business license

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and that's it honestly in my own opinion but somebody that's maybe going to operate on a

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chance shop offer their house out of their own garage you know like bringing

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to their trucks and you might be stacking trucks in the street and you're telling

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okay maybe put some conditions that yeah you can totally do that if you can't work this

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Yeah, yeah, so that's where I kind of go. I think the public is the one that carries nothing against the staff

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It's just whether the public feels like they have a chance to influence it. Yeah, that's a lot on the thing

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Hey, this is license something

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Yeah, the public normally shouldn't tell a neighbor what to do if they don't even know what's happening in the house, right?

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But yeah, the mechanic one you're kind of like

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Maybe that's enough that the public should have an opportunity to come and say

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Hey, do you want me to probably but the lighting is going to be a problem with the sound there the hours operation

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So it's really I guess the short answer is like the potential

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to the neighbors and other properties from the park and the park you know that maybe that's

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where the threshold is. So we went through your code and we just kind of picked a couple of

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examples. I'll scan something there for you but um and so we got to make sure that's clear. The

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other thing is state just changed their law on um the way the way that whoever's making the decision

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whether it's you guys with the seek counsel or whether it's staff, like how do you say yes

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to this person and no to that person? There has to be a pretty clear criteria. You actually

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had some, I can see what you guys were complaining about though because it had some holes in it.

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We talked about almost the new definitions of some stuff into sacred. Sorry, let me get that

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as an example of what we were thinking as we clean up. And then what else?

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question. Yeah, please. So we actually had this happen where a party wanted a

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conditionally used license and a commercial building that was licensed by someone

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Yeah. Like it'd be like that hairdresser going into a salon but the

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the salon is owned.

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Would you see, I thought them coming here,

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and I thought that was settled.

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And then it was like stash, you've been able to say,

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oh, you're going to do eyebrow threading in a salon

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that has a business show.

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It seems to me that should be administratively.

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I mean, we had that really happen.

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And that's why we're bringing it up.

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And into her meetings, and she was quite

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empty about it, because it's like, well,

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I'm just trying to do some business.

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Yeah, they haven't.

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So sorry, before we get into that,

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let's say like that example makes me think that,

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remember that part of this process at the end,

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once you guys have said this is kind of policy,

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my team has to, and anyway, my team also has to give you application forms that tiger

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right into this.

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So it should be the next time, if there is a use that maybe shouldn't come to you guys

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or for whatever, the application form shouldn't make it easier and you're just like, because

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I've seen some of the application forms where they just change the towns a little bit on the

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And then it's not even...

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Why do you ask people to do that?

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Yeah, and that's all the time everywhere.

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So anyway, yours should be easy.

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So if they didn't have to jump through the loop,

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then who doesn't manage the loop?

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And it's fair and easy to understand.

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Here's where you're at.

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Here's the process here to take 30 steps,

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and you're on step one, whatever.

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Here's why we're asking for this in my room.

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We'll get to it.

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So right now, if you remember, in your zoning title,

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I just went to the first use table for rural residential.

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You have three homes. It says, does this, and it's got a list of different uses. Does it, is this permitted?

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It's put in X, I mean, yes. And your current code says, is it a conditionally used, and it says X, which is a yes no.

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And it does also require a business license. I'm going to change the format in that little bit just so you know, because I first read it, I thought I was three equal things.

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You know, I get, I like to think you actually put a business license, but it needs to not be his only thing, so I'll just pull that back.

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Anyway, what I've changed the two is, like, agriculture in the rural residential, still got the permitted tax, but instead of conditional use just being an egg, it's going to be a C-C-A, it's conditional use.

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or C-P-C planning on the plan, right?

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So it's like, yes, it's initially used,

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but this flavor initially used.

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It's almost like you got three columns,

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and that doesn't form that well,

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but that's the way the group just plans it.

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So just to get into some examples,

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and we didn't add a whole lot of new uses yet.

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That is a whole discussion we're going to have to get to.

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Every use that we put in one of these use tables,

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like for commercial, even new.

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This is terrible.

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I've always hated this about playing.

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Each use you put in there also has to be in your definition style.

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That's a new law of the last year.

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So everything has to be defined.

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That's where your definition is going to be.

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You have to tell them what agriculture is.

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You have to tell them what a farm and a shed and an agriculture accessory building is.

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You have to tell your own definitions about.

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Fortunately, I do have a book.

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There's one legal standard definition of what have been breakfast is that started to

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stood up in court in a small aircraft.

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It's just, it's finding them all after you guys are decided and then just inflating

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up your definitions.

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I don't know.

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Couldn't be in this document.

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It goes a lot.

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That doesn't mean you're crediting them.

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It's crazy.

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But you're a lawyer.

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But it's good.

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Yeah.

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You just gotta put it.

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I've always hated this about planning, but it's there.

237
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Okay.

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So as far as those conditions, man, I'll tell you about everything about conditions, except

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to the thing you guys about me.

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So bed and breakfast is an existing one.

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We said that would be a sewing administrator.

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That was not an energy.

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But we don't know that the planning commission

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needs to see if somebody, and bed and breakfasts

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is turning into a name for short and mental.

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So we're giving you the airbnb pack.

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Airbnb, that's a whole other topic we're

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going to do to know a meeting, but OK.

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Because that's a thing here.

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It's edgy.

251
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Yeah.

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That already is nervous about those, but your tip will bend in practice, it's usually

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We like an old warehouse that somebody's already renovated and just long real rich of the cultural park

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building and the street. That's they don't get usually too grubby even better than breakfast.

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For me, remus is a little different. Sometimes you get a much better looking at it.

256
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Yeah. I mean, it's like these vaulting that comes into the game and those teenagers terrible town that night.

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Short to rental that happens. They don't usually throw a bed in breakfast. So that's what we said.

258
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That's kind of more administrative, but like a child care facility. I think that's only

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You guys can make a planning commission, because I know there's also licensing stuff that

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goes into childcare facilities.

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You guys can make a commission.

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Well, they're administrative, and there's a certain criteria that they have to supply,

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so it still could be administrative.

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We went back for the mighty army, but anyway, that's just one church.

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We said planning commission, but just tread lightly on anything that's due to religious

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just plain needs of any kind.

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There's a federal case law,

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and that's getting used a lot more,

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I don't know if I can really do it or something.

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But more and more people are saying,

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hey, but I have a religious reason to witness

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and hold on.

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Then you were in Charlottesville over that,

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yeah, County of Charlottesville.

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So we said, okay, don't make that just a staff member,

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they get at least be a public process.

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That's why we said churches.

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which is just so you know, like a home childcare center,

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home occupations, these are all staff,

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but a channel who's that still come here,

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just because I know it was you didn't know.

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I think it'd be too early.

283
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Yeah, that could be.

284
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Why start to come here?

285
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You have this thing about minor utility transmission projects,

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that seem to be in a lot of different stages.

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We thought we didn't know the backstreet unless

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we left it to the planning commission.

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Pre-school is only the administrator.

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I'm just trying to show you the differences, I guess.

291
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Yeah, like one of those residential subdivisions.

292
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Yeah, totally.

293
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So yeah, short-term rentals and vacation rentals.

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You should see the notes.

295
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We have all three that we're fighting each other already.

296
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The state is getting, they've always been rid of short-term rentals.

297
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Let's just pause on that one and we'll come back to it when we actually talk about it.

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Short-term rels are new enough that no one really wants to be in the tip of the sphere.

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They're still worried about doing that.

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It feels like, gosh, there's a lot of different paths you can take policy ways on short-term

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rels.

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We just have to talk about what your market is and what concerns you might know.

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That even might be with city councils, so just pause on that one bit.

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Anyway.

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You had this small wind energy device, there must have been a backstory by that senior code.

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We said that's the staff thing because it's probably just a hate issue on that.

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In the windmill?

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In the small windmill?

309
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Yeah, it's just small, right?

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These are like literally in the back there in the windmill type thing.

311
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But you had your table neighborhood commercial.

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Small neighborhood commercial, which is like somebody in the barbershop where the nine times they're crammed into a house with something like that.

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We said it's the plain English for that, but again, silver energy is on the street because that's going to be...

314
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That makes sense.

315
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You know what I mean?

316
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It's really small.

317
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We're not talking about silver field.

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Yeah, it's okay about it.

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So if somebody wants to set up a silver field.

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Do you panels on the roof?

321
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Yeah, yeah.

322
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Just so you know, that's just kind of a sampling of what we think when we say two flavors of conditional use permit.

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and they still have to, if it goes to staff, that's fine.

324
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They still have to jump through the, you know,

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show the tape at the conditions.

326
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They still necessarily do it from public.

327
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The other thing we did is we put a report in there

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so that say staff gets an application for whatever,

329
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but I don't think they know more or something.

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And say staff doesn't come full and they're like,

331
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oh, I don't know what I should do with this one,

332
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it's not really cut and dried.

333
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They, in your code, we made it so that they can go,

334
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sorry, this is all my head,

335
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So that's going to be our work to put in the application form that says if you're trying

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to do this, it's just going to be a really quick thing.

337
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And it gets inside.

338
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It just gets inside of it.

339
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But it keeps.

340
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Yeah.

341
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But it might not be so.

342
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We're going to figure out how to say that in a nice way.

343
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We also didn't want staff to be put in a really awkward spot.

344
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You know, staff.

345
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Yeah.

346
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Very nice.

347
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But yeah.

348
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But anyway.

349
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That kind of sounds bureaucratic, but we can just play with it.

350
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Okay, just before we move off to that one, the idea of staff doing it, that's still okay.

351
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You have somebody that has a bandwidth for that.

352
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Okay, all right, so I'm going to go with that in my change in the name or whatever.

353
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But for now, we're just going to call it bigger

354
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or something.

355
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We've got to have some kind of title.

356
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And I really like what he said right now, having the record and being able to read that person makes me a little nervous, I don't know.

357
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That's just a big difference.

358
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Yeah, that's where I'm going to traditionally use this.

359
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Anything else you guys want to talk about with those?

360
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I know the accounts you were talking about because the policy has kind of been,

361
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if you're applying for a business license but you're renting,

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We want to hinge on this period, which is starting to get kind of complicated.

363
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We were thinking on our application for the business license, we could have somewhere

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where the building owner signs to acknowledge that they know what business is going in.

365
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So the ocean is skipping that conditional use, steps if it doesn't need to be.

366
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I think the point she has is that when you show it, it's not a conflict.

367
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Oh, okay.

368
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That one's not right exactly.

369
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Sorry, on the business get application license, all the words wasn't it.

370
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On the application for business license, I think that was the English way.

371
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We're looking for a check marker, some kind of ignored knowledge signature from the property owner.

372
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Yes, I know, yes, it's a great thing.

373
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It's a good thing.

374
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Yes, yes.

375
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It's a recognized, they know what business is going there because benefit commissioning is business.

376
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Yes, it's a mystery.

377
00:21:26,620 --> 00:21:28,820
I like that.

378
00:21:30,220 --> 00:21:32,320
Maybe it's a small retail town.

379
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Small retail shops are often combined.

380
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And you're like a billionaire.

381
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I'm scared, I kind of don't have much with it.

382
00:21:38,900 --> 00:21:39,120
Yeah.

383
00:21:39,940 --> 00:21:41,760
But they know what the activity is.

384
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And so it is their money, so if I had a job,

385
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it's available to them.

386
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Oh.

387
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That's great.

388
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:50,660
I didn't mean to think of that.

389
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That's new.

390
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Don't tell my other clients.

391
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That's a good one.

392
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:56,300
Okay.

393
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:57,840
Well, let's change the subject quickly.

394
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Okay.

395
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Okay.

396
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New subsistence code enforcement.

397
00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:05,560
I know when you're in a lot of personal people,

398
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You're the town there while you're doing it.

399
00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:11,480
I can't help but maybe in that corner he's like no really.

400
00:22:12,860 --> 00:22:14,160
I always talk for him.

401
00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:15,740
It's hard for him.

402
00:22:16,820 --> 00:22:19,660
It is such an awkward to do the spawn town part of it.

403
00:22:20,260 --> 00:22:22,360
You don't have time, but it's also just like

404
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the social part of it and then the process.

405
00:22:24,460 --> 00:22:25,660
And everybody knows you.

406
00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:28,800
You gotta go see him in the church basketball

407
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and then you're like, I'm okay.

408
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,440
So sorry, but you can't play your junk.

409
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:44,080
So, on the news of the site of being a state code did this thing move 20, when did they do it?

410
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,840
I wrote it down, I should have written it down.

411
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:53,700
Well, it's like recently when they said the town's no longer can have a town more of health.

412
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,640
It has to be at least county level or multi-town level.

413
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,120
So that kind of helped you guys get out of jail free.

414
00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:04,780
where you don't necessarily have to do the back-up on some of these health-related

415
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instances and stuff. Problems is I don't know how a carbon-counter, the R6 or

416
00:23:09,580 --> 00:23:13,840
whoever's running that for you. No, no, no, no, that's working. But Joe, I'm choice.

417
00:23:13,980 --> 00:23:19,220
So it's great. So you're clearly great now in Title 2. It has a whole section

418
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about the EU as it called.

419
00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:27,080
Yeah, health or something like that. The whole thing

420
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,240
Yes, come out with a problem business.

421
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,860
We need to not just chill it, but we need to like,

422
00:23:31,220 --> 00:23:33,800
chill it and replace it with what we do.

423
00:23:34,180 --> 00:23:34,420
Yeah.

424
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:35,520
How did you decide?

425
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,380
What would you take to go?

426
00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:38,740
That's a problem.

427
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:39,500
Yeah.

428
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,520
So yeah, so we need to change it.

429
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,120
And right now, we have a kind of place

430
00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:47,480
where we're healing somebody in the administrator.

431
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,540
We just put code enforcement officer for all instances.

432
00:23:54,440 --> 00:24:01,900
So, I'm sure you're a lot of horses' gays, not a lot of that because it's going to have to get called out on literally weeds.

433
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:09,360
Yeah, all of a sudden. Easy at lights, you know, you've got to register sound, they don't kill it, you're not going to do it.

434
00:24:09,940 --> 00:24:15,560
So maybe that doesn't stick, but for now we just have to think that word out, just so you get some.

435
00:24:16,580 --> 00:24:28,900
The other thing is your current code has a series of violations of penalties like if you do this, it's a class B mismanagement or to do this, it's a class C or a line of whatever.

436
00:24:30,580 --> 00:24:40,820
State changed all that out on cities not too long ago, so we tried to make you align to the state and I was just telling you so we don't have to look it up.

437
00:24:40,820 --> 00:24:46,480
But it's in your title date, 8, 15, 8, 25.

438
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,160
It's just got some stuff in there that are the standard

439
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:50,900
to too high.

440
00:24:52,380 --> 00:24:55,320
And you have one penalty in your current code that says something

441
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,420
like, it's a daily fine of $300, $300,

442
00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:03,800
I don't know if you're going to be away with a date.

443
00:25:04,660 --> 00:25:06,300
They think the state's kind of saying,

444
00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:10,500
and you've got to give people time to get their stuff out of it.

445
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:12,720
So we changed that.

446
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,200
We basically mirrored at the state code into your code for that.

447
00:25:16,340 --> 00:25:17,440
So you'll see those changes.

448
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,120
Yeah, but I wanted to talk to you about, you're

449
00:25:22,060 --> 00:25:25,220
sorry, in my meeting here, they talked about dilapidated

450
00:25:25,220 --> 00:25:28,600
in abandoned structures, like buildings that are just

451
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:28,920
abandoned.

452
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,020
Your current code doesn't even say we're abandoned.

453
00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:35,880
It only does dilapidated.

454
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:42,980
But it's not defined super clear. So just so you're aware, we added a whole lot of content. I might walk into this one up.

455
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:48,040
It's title 8, 15 again. Let me just read these small spaces.

456
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,960
This is under your health and safety, which is not something the planning commission normally does.

457
00:25:53,020 --> 00:25:57,420
But your general plan talked about it, and I just want to give you feedback later.

458
00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:03,300
Sorry, so your code right now talks about the equipment of new instances and the right to inspect.

459
00:26:03,940 --> 00:26:09,240
That's right, should be able to go in and see if it really is an engine or whatever.

460
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,820
Your current code says your entire board is supposed to go out and do that.

461
00:26:16,340 --> 00:26:18,780
We changed it to be that code enforcement officer.

462
00:26:19,900 --> 00:26:23,800
And same thing with the code enforcement officer, it has the authority now, where the power

463
00:26:24,540 --> 00:26:29,460
the age and the ability to signal is as we shut down until it gets cleaned up.

464
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,480
It went into the budget. I don't know.

465
00:26:33,940 --> 00:26:37,300
I know that this is like a touching topic for smaller towns because

466
00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:41,700
whoever lives in that house, they got tools to really take care of it

467
00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:43,660
and then they pass away and the family doesn't know what to do.

468
00:26:43,820 --> 00:26:45,300
You just kind of don't want to...

469
00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:46,140
It just sits there.

470
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:46,480
Yeah.

471
00:26:46,620 --> 00:26:50,920
He said there was a born with a nail stuck in the family or whatever.

472
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,860
But he also can't just let it keep deteriorating.

473
00:26:54,940 --> 00:26:59,440
So if we were really normal, if you had that be an administrator

474
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,060
from the code of enforcement officer, they could actually

475
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work.

476
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:05,780
You don't want it to be arbitrary.

477
00:27:06,220 --> 00:27:08,420
And you can't say a case-by-case much.

478
00:27:09,980 --> 00:27:11,880
But there are judgment calls with everything.

479
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,960
And there's judgment calls with a special band

480
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,060
and then dilapidated.

481
00:27:15,060 --> 00:27:19,480
And it's a kind of sort of, like, the COVID-19

482
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,300
actually makes us sick and so on.

483
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:22,480
I don't know.

484
00:27:22,620 --> 00:27:23,820
Just so you know, when you get into it,

485
00:27:23,940 --> 00:27:28,780
you'll see that it's, I don't know,

486
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,160
I can say it's that kind of time that I'm in right now.

487
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:33,280
You guys probably only think land use most of the time.

488
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,460
So this is just to me, it's a land use issue.

489
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:36,500
I want to start with you guys.

490
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,620
I'm also going to take similar things

491
00:27:38,620 --> 00:27:40,800
to the city council when I get to preach to them.

492
00:27:41,220 --> 00:27:44,860
But just so you know, that one didn't get a lot.

493
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,740
So we do have a Southeast dream job, isn't it?

494
00:27:51,020 --> 00:27:51,420
Is it?

495
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:51,920
Is it?

496
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:52,800
Yeah.

497
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:54,520
Is it?

498
00:27:54,980 --> 00:27:55,200
Is it?

499
00:27:55,460 --> 00:27:56,020
Yeah.

500
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:56,880
Yeah.

501
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:57,300
Yeah.

502
00:27:57,420 --> 00:28:00,920
I mean, I think they do a pretty good job though.

503
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:01,360
I mean.

504
00:28:01,740 --> 00:28:02,060
Yeah.

505
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:02,640
Yeah.

506
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:03,260
Yeah.

507
00:28:04,620 --> 00:28:04,780
Yeah.

508
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:05,340
Yeah.

509
00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:06,360
Yeah.

510
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:08,460
Yeah.

511
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:13,520
We do have a health department and we bring you back for the

512
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:14,120
industry, right?

513
00:28:14,380 --> 00:28:15,760
South and South and South District Health Department?

514
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:16,720
Yeah.

515
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:17,580
Yeah.

516
00:28:17,980 --> 00:28:18,320
Yeah.

517
00:28:21,780 --> 00:28:23,820
Because I feel like Larry Jensen.

518
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:24,080
Good.

519
00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:24,260
Yeah.

520
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,220
Larry Jensen sits on an board lender for New York County guys.

521
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,260
So we do have possibly more for all of us.

522
00:28:35,580 --> 00:28:35,720
Yeah.

523
00:28:35,980 --> 00:28:36,380
Okay.

524
00:28:55,710 --> 00:29:01,390
Okay, I'll check in with those folks and just make sure that this code doesn't, you know,

525
00:29:01,630 --> 00:29:03,990
put a handcuffs on them or give them too much.

526
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:13,430
It sounds like they don't maybe want to, if they have to come that way, then they don't want to have that much authority, but it's good to know the bays, so that's great.

527
00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:16,750
Yeah, I think they just cover carbon and marine grain.

528
00:29:18,390 --> 00:29:18,590
Okay.

529
00:29:19,290 --> 00:29:20,310
That's what I'm seeing.

530
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:24,450
and it's, it's not certain it's a South-Eastern Health

531
00:29:25,770 --> 00:29:31,930
or so, not to be confused with certain it's the SAVM HQ

532
00:29:32,510 --> 00:29:38,150
so South-Eastern Health Department or the Health Department?

533
00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:39,950
Yeah, I'll look it up.

534
00:29:40,350 --> 00:29:40,470
Okay.

535
00:29:41,030 --> 00:29:42,650
That's right, not super easy.

536
00:29:44,190 --> 00:29:48,210
As far as other stuff has been in buildings just getting over.

537
00:29:49,810 --> 00:29:59,270
Yeah, we gave him some criteria and he said, if you see this criteria, you don't just run out and condemn the bill, you have to see it for 90 days.

538
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:11,220
Good morning, and let us sit there and try to get a fix in 90 days. But the criterion we found in other codes that we think pretty good is on a hockey fight, but not just for sale.

539
00:30:13,780 --> 00:30:29,920
Right? Yeah, and then also that if there's boarded up windows or missing windows doors, I don't love this, but this came out of state code. Significant deterioration of the roof. Now, patient siding or

540
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:35,080
structural elements. When are you using the word significant? That kind of made

541
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:41,440
argued. Yeah. I don't love it. It's a fight start. See I don't know what I didn't

542
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:47,120
just say more than 50% of the build. Yeah. Yeah. Make it a percent. Yeah. Make it a

543
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:54,660
percentage. Because I've got two. I've been on Occupied for years but they

544
00:30:54,660 --> 00:30:58,720
send somebody in to take care of the yard and the windows aren't boarded up. So yeah

545
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,980
Yeah, you can't say you have to tear it out.

546
00:31:01,220 --> 00:31:01,320
Yeah.

547
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:01,880
Okay.

548
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:02,740
All right.

549
00:31:04,780 --> 00:31:04,900
Okay.

550
00:31:05,060 --> 00:31:11,410
So, you want to do a two percent?

551
00:31:11,930 --> 00:31:12,310
Yeah.

552
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:13,750
I just see that I have something to tell you.

553
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:16,010
I mean, you have to have something to tell me.

554
00:31:16,150 --> 00:31:16,350
Yeah.

555
00:31:16,610 --> 00:31:17,350
You like that, yeah.

556
00:31:18,250 --> 00:31:18,950
Yeah, I like that.

557
00:31:18,970 --> 00:31:20,270
Oh, it's good.

558
00:31:20,490 --> 00:31:20,930
Yeah.

559
00:31:21,170 --> 00:31:21,610
Yeah.

560
00:31:22,110 --> 00:31:22,270
It's good.

561
00:31:22,270 --> 00:31:27,070
If it's half of the house, maybe it's probably, maybe just one wall fell down.

562
00:31:27,490 --> 00:31:27,870
Yeah.

563
00:31:27,870 --> 00:31:29,170
So it's not happening.

564
00:31:29,390 --> 00:31:30,330
It's not happening, yeah.

565
00:31:30,530 --> 00:31:32,030
It's not happening, but it happens

566
00:31:32,030 --> 00:31:33,270
and then just sits there forever.

567
00:31:33,530 --> 00:31:33,630
Yeah.

568
00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:35,630
You don't want to jump on somebody

569
00:31:35,630 --> 00:31:37,270
and they have a bad set of circumstances

570
00:31:37,270 --> 00:31:39,650
that can be neglected, something else.

571
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:39,970
Right.

572
00:31:41,770 --> 00:31:42,610
That's more correct here.

573
00:31:42,770 --> 00:31:44,590
The utilities got disconnected

574
00:31:45,670 --> 00:31:47,230
when it's not a planned renovation.

575
00:31:47,670 --> 00:31:50,330
Just unplugged water and it's over.

576
00:31:50,670 --> 00:31:51,450
You know what I just said?

577
00:31:51,650 --> 00:31:52,470
We're done.

578
00:31:52,830 --> 00:31:54,490
That's kind of a sign that it's going to be in the...

579
00:31:54,490 --> 00:31:54,910
Checked out.

580
00:31:54,910 --> 00:32:03,650
Yeah, and then, or if it's a property that has those things happen to it multiple times in 12 month period.

581
00:32:04,370 --> 00:32:07,870
Somebody could come in and hurt themselves and duct tape on it and go, no, we don't think so.

582
00:32:08,530 --> 00:32:12,610
And if it falls apart again in another month, I'll code it for some guys like Plenty.

583
00:32:13,210 --> 00:32:13,830
Let's do it in a minute.

584
00:32:14,650 --> 00:32:16,010
Yeah, they're duct tape and stick.

585
00:32:16,670 --> 00:32:17,870
Better never ask this guy.

586
00:32:19,330 --> 00:32:35,170
And then we just have a warning period and then that it escalates so we get the first morning and there's a written plan and I'm sorry, the way to get rid of the warning is when the property urges and that's a written plan of some kind, you know, we'll define that.

587
00:32:36,010 --> 00:32:39,510
It's an email where it's a guy I don't want to try and work on it in a public life.

588
00:32:40,270 --> 00:32:43,210
It is a written response though not just working.

589
00:32:43,510 --> 00:32:46,590
They can be verbal with it, go to the first guy's like, I don't know, nice.

590
00:32:47,730 --> 00:32:49,630
They've got to have some kind of...

591
00:32:49,630 --> 00:32:51,190
Is that you can at least hold them to know what it is?

592
00:32:51,390 --> 00:32:54,170
You can hold them and the comment knows that you've done something.

593
00:32:54,450 --> 00:32:55,590
So, trust me.

594
00:32:56,130 --> 00:32:56,190
Yeah.

595
00:32:56,650 --> 00:32:56,750
Yeah.

596
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:57,050
Yeah.

597
00:32:59,470 --> 00:33:00,430
So, let me see.

598
00:33:00,890 --> 00:33:01,530
The news and stuff.

599
00:33:01,710 --> 00:33:02,130
Oh, the penalties.

600
00:33:02,130 --> 00:33:08,010
I think I talked about that earlier. Just so you guys are aware, most of you do this 100

601
00:33:08,010 --> 00:33:15,030
a day. I think your current co-exist on a three-year day on April. So we still were thinking

602
00:33:15,030 --> 00:33:19,830
a day was pretty nice, but you have a lot of sugar and serious. Yeah.

603
00:33:22,770 --> 00:33:29,430
You want to be out

604
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:30,410
I don't know, I don't know, I really don't know.

605
00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:32,790
I should have shown.

606
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:36,650
And that was the fourth part on the list.

607
00:33:40,740 --> 00:33:47,640
Yeah, I still wonder about the, you know, I'm sorry if I'm slow to this part of it.

608
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:51,220
What is the process for once a building is deemed condemned?

609
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,320
What happens if that happens?

610
00:33:53,780 --> 00:34:03,120
The proposed one, the proposed one, the proposed one, the proposed one, the proposed one, the proposed one, the proposed one.

611
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,620
You actually had, I like to tease towns about the code, but your stuff had some unique

612
00:34:09,620 --> 00:34:14,580
pieces that might feel like overkill, but like attractive news and says that's a legal

613
00:34:14,580 --> 00:34:14,920
term.

614
00:34:15,580 --> 00:34:16,040
I was telling you.

615
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:17,080
I don't know what that is.

616
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,360
Because I want a section about it.

617
00:34:18,380 --> 00:34:19,340
But it's an attractive news.

618
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:20,100
Yeah.

619
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:20,820
What is that?

620
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:21,600
You want to attract a news.

621
00:34:21,860 --> 00:34:26,220
So attractive news is, like if you have a trampoline in your backyard, but you don't have

622
00:34:26,220 --> 00:34:29,740
any kind of fence, and a kid sneaks in your backyard and they're jumping around.

623
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:30,400
Oh, really?

624
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:31,340
I don't know.

625
00:34:31,340 --> 00:34:35,700
Okay, the insurance company is going to come sue you because they say you didn't open

626
00:34:35,700 --> 00:34:37,480
fence so it's an unattractive use.

627
00:34:37,660 --> 00:34:40,400
It's an attractive use if they say to it and no, it's attractive.

628
00:34:40,940 --> 00:34:41,480
There's attractive use.

629
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,380
There's attractive use.

630
00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:44,820
It's a Gary and so you're being bad neighbors.

631
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,080
You didn't put up an open fence and that's the son of a dog.

632
00:34:47,380 --> 00:34:49,200
The probability of that is kind of language.

633
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:51,400
That's how my dog would open.

634
00:34:51,660 --> 00:34:51,980
Exactly.

635
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,560
Yeah, just drowning in fools or whatever.

636
00:34:55,940 --> 00:34:58,120
I'm getting chained by the horse because there's no open fence.

637
00:34:58,340 --> 00:34:59,620
Those are both attractive use.

638
00:34:59,620 --> 00:34:59,980
It's attractive use.

639
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:00,340
So it's a law.

640
00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:00,860
So it's a law.

641
00:35:03,580 --> 00:35:05,240
Anyway, start it back to your process.

642
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,020
So part eight, when we wrote it, we changed it.

643
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,640
It's not trying to tell you what we think it should be.

644
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:15,700
Okay, that's fine.

645
00:35:15,860 --> 00:35:16,800
Structure is abandoned.

646
00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:20,400
If under those 90 days, those bridges we just talked about,

647
00:35:20,460 --> 00:35:22,360
then they get a notice.

648
00:35:22,780 --> 00:35:25,580
And it's a rhythm that the officer, the enforcement officer,

649
00:35:26,340 --> 00:35:26,620
is aware of.

650
00:35:26,620 --> 00:35:31,600
They have to serve in written those on the property owner in the manner provided in it.

651
00:35:32,220 --> 00:35:37,760
Like it's got to really end posted in the property in just the case beyond the current mail address.

652
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:38,220
Okay.

653
00:35:38,940 --> 00:35:46,740
And then in that warning, we say what the letter has to say has to secure this place so it gets fixed

654
00:35:46,740 --> 00:35:52,240
and then bring it up to the compliance and then end work gets you ready to plan on how to do it.

655
00:35:52,660 --> 00:35:53,000
Okay, so.

656
00:35:53,000 --> 00:36:00,280
And then, when a structure is declared abandoned or dilapidated,

657
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,560
the code enforcement officer shall fore-made with the city building official.

658
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,000
I was a question I had to give you guys.

659
00:36:06,460 --> 00:36:06,800
The county?

660
00:36:07,140 --> 00:36:07,900
Is it the county?

661
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:10,020
We contract with the county.

662
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,240
But that's a good question.

663
00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:14,320
That's a good question.

664
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:14,540
That's a good question.

665
00:36:14,540 --> 00:36:14,560
That's a good question.

666
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:15,240
I should know that.

667
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:21,370
It was good.

668
00:36:21,410 --> 00:36:22,050
Did you say it's good?

669
00:36:22,110 --> 00:36:23,430
A lot of this code's written in like a 50.

670
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:29,730
Well, you're supposed to, you haven't signed it back to the 80s, late 80s, which isn't the worst that I've ever worked on.

671
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:30,630
Yeah.

672
00:36:31,070 --> 00:36:31,250
Yeah.

673
00:36:31,810 --> 00:36:34,710
If there ever you had, I shouldn't have just told you the name.

674
00:36:35,050 --> 00:36:36,530
Hey, how many of you still works for?

675
00:36:36,690 --> 00:36:36,810
Yeah.

676
00:36:37,830 --> 00:36:39,550
The agency's just recorded it right now.

677
00:36:39,850 --> 00:36:43,830
Anyway, I said, so I just give you your existing code and they go, okay, hang on.

678
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:45,510
And they went and they found a three-room binder.

679
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:49,610
And they gave it to me and they were flipping through it and they say, yeah, this is so hard to call.

680
00:36:49,610 --> 00:36:53,230
And it's like, it was where you'd code, you need to code.

681
00:36:53,650 --> 00:36:55,450
She's known this is what we always offer.

682
00:36:55,490 --> 00:36:55,890
This is it.

683
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:59,410
And I was just like, because my brain was screaming on the inside,

684
00:36:59,410 --> 00:37:00,430
because I said, OK, thanks.

685
00:37:01,470 --> 00:37:03,630
Jamie at Covey, I didn't think one still existed,

686
00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:05,710
but back in 1975.

687
00:37:07,110 --> 00:37:09,350
The usual existence of Covey put out a three refinder

688
00:37:09,350 --> 00:37:10,270
that was a template.

689
00:37:10,830 --> 00:37:13,330
The Covey should consider when they Covey

690
00:37:13,330 --> 00:37:16,410
impedes their own, and they just took the binder

691
00:37:16,410 --> 00:37:17,750
and they didn't fill it out.

692
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:19,010
They didn't say the name of the town.

693
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:20,430
They didn't...

694
00:37:20,430 --> 00:37:24,110
They just used the deck, and they just said this was a minute, the whole time.

695
00:37:24,490 --> 00:37:28,030
They did do some weird thing with Zoey, but most of their code was this.

696
00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:30,490
Walkie think from the 70s and Zoey.

697
00:37:30,930 --> 00:37:33,690
They said, well, come on first meeting and tell us, you know, what we got to tighten.

698
00:37:34,370 --> 00:37:35,330
Back to forever.

699
00:37:35,770 --> 00:37:37,590
I had to say, it was a start-up.

700
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:38,190
We're going to start.

701
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:39,170
We're starting.

702
00:37:39,310 --> 00:37:39,990
How are we going to help you?

703
00:37:40,270 --> 00:37:43,010
All of this stuff has been revealed decades ago.

704
00:37:43,010 --> 00:37:47,590
You know, you know, maybe you are in trouble and glad nobody is trying to see what it wants, right?

705
00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:49,230
That's a cute little talent, it's funny.

706
00:37:50,330 --> 00:37:52,670
Well, let me know if it happens in that talent for nobody, no, it's fine.

707
00:37:52,970 --> 00:37:54,850
Yeah, it's fine.

708
00:37:55,310 --> 00:37:57,310
Anyway, that was the worst one, 1975.

709
00:37:57,470 --> 00:37:57,690
1975.

710
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:58,310
All right.

711
00:37:58,990 --> 00:37:59,310
Yeah,

712
00:38:02,130 --> 00:38:06,430
yeah, yeah, I feel like they had to be joking in the midst of the 50s, I felt like they

713
00:38:06,430 --> 00:38:06,910
had to be joking.

714
00:38:07,370 --> 00:38:08,430
Yeah, oh my gosh.

715
00:38:08,930 --> 00:38:09,730
You know what's cool though?

716
00:38:09,810 --> 00:38:12,770
Some of this is all you're seeing here, it's built out of code.

717
00:38:12,770 --> 00:38:16,430
Yeah, my side was built that, my home neighborhood, there was no code.

718
00:38:16,850 --> 00:38:19,870
They just had a building code, they just said make the roof not fall down.

719
00:38:20,410 --> 00:38:24,490
Yeah, yeah, you know, I'll say, yeah, you know, like 16-inch, you know, offset.

720
00:38:24,910 --> 00:38:29,650
And suddenly you got these coin things that everybody's now trying to desperately risk you.

721
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:31,810
Yeah, just that's the cool part down here.

722
00:38:31,850 --> 00:38:33,710
Your main street, there was no code.

723
00:38:34,070 --> 00:38:35,710
Yeah, they just made it in the sense.

724
00:38:36,030 --> 00:38:36,730
Yeah, good builders.

725
00:38:37,930 --> 00:38:39,150
Yeah, come on.

726
00:38:42,450 --> 00:38:42,810
Okay.

727
00:38:43,690 --> 00:38:44,130
Anyway, sorry.

728
00:38:44,270 --> 00:38:49,230
So they get that, they have to work with the building official, the county building official.

729
00:38:51,090 --> 00:38:56,450
And then it just talks about the enforcement and then, um, yeah, then it goes to the penalties.

730
00:38:56,930 --> 00:38:57,430
So really?

731
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:58,570
That's why I said this actually.

732
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:59,150
What happens?

733
00:38:59,530 --> 00:38:59,750
Yeah.

734
00:38:59,890 --> 00:39:07,790
So when it comes to the penalties, right now, we can't do to your daily thing, but why argue with you about that a little bit?

735
00:39:07,790 --> 00:39:11,550
But if there's still no penalty and stay lost as you can't go warm, then I think it's a

736
00:39:12,910 --> 00:39:18,330
So I got you know that season there properly or anything like that. Okay, you can

737
00:39:19,350 --> 00:39:23,270
I mean my stator was a fire and the families the aves

738
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:25,310
But I have to house

739
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:32,730
Yeah, you can

740
00:39:37,790 --> 00:39:38,930
Why do we set her there, though?

741
00:39:39,090 --> 00:39:42,810
If I owned a piece of property and I live in Chamorro,

742
00:39:42,910 --> 00:39:44,490
but I don't really see what's happening there,

743
00:39:44,670 --> 00:39:46,350
and somebody turns into a meth lab

744
00:39:47,350 --> 00:39:49,230
that's got news all over it, right?

745
00:39:49,770 --> 00:39:49,890
Yeah.

746
00:39:50,610 --> 00:39:52,750
The city should be able to go in and say,

747
00:39:53,070 --> 00:39:54,790
I'm sorry, you can't rent that out,

748
00:39:54,850 --> 00:39:56,210
and then you show it to me.

749
00:39:56,250 --> 00:39:56,750
Deal with that.

750
00:39:56,970 --> 00:39:58,030
Yeah, deal with it.

751
00:39:58,170 --> 00:40:00,450
You know, maybe it's safe to the next person,

752
00:40:00,710 --> 00:40:03,310
like on paper, that's a good one.

753
00:40:03,950 --> 00:40:04,310
All right.

754
00:40:04,810 --> 00:40:06,510
Anyway, yeah, so we shut the daily thing,

755
00:40:06,510 --> 00:40:09,570
We lowered it to 100 today because I think we were 300 today.

756
00:40:10,910 --> 00:40:14,030
And then your current code had criminal.

757
00:40:14,810 --> 00:40:17,510
So it went from civil to criminal, we'd be quick.

758
00:40:18,310 --> 00:40:19,850
The state law changed that.

759
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:24,870
So it's a civil problem if you're willing to choose all or whatever.

760
00:40:25,730 --> 00:40:28,030
Your building looks like it needs some help.

761
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:30,470
That's all civil and stuff.

762
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:35,190
It becomes criminal when it says luminous circumstances.

763
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:46,810
and criminal, you can only go to class be a minister here, I worked for, he fielded, oh they talked about prison terms and I'm like, wow, wow, yeah, you got to read J.O. first, right?

764
00:40:46,990 --> 00:40:51,030
Yeah, right, that was a nice, take a moment for them to say, that's a big one.

765
00:40:51,450 --> 00:41:01,770
They also don't let code from another town, probably forum or something, because they talked about going to the city jail and the city jailer would not fully craft.

766
00:41:01,770 --> 00:41:03,810
They don't even have a stop sign.

767
00:41:04,010 --> 00:41:04,530
They can't know.

768
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:07,550
Anyway, they don't have a jail.

769
00:41:08,590 --> 00:41:10,650
Is the Utah County jail like I'm just in a lot of time?

770
00:41:10,970 --> 00:41:11,410
Exactly.

771
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:14,530
The city can prosecute a violation.

772
00:41:14,830 --> 00:41:16,310
This is where it goes over to criminal.

773
00:41:16,670 --> 00:41:20,170
Only if the violation doesn't pertain to an individual's pet.

774
00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:23,190
You can't go to the jail over a parking lot.

775
00:41:23,730 --> 00:41:26,610
You can get fined like crazy, but it's not like criminal.

776
00:41:26,610 --> 00:41:41,690
Um, um, um, uh, the violation of the credit nuisance, um, that actually does threaten the health safety. Well, there are a lot of people, so what that would be, you know, super dangerous.

777
00:41:42,110 --> 00:41:43,190
You got to talk to the great news.

778
00:41:43,490 --> 00:41:46,290
Well, well, bring your room.

779
00:41:57,490 --> 00:41:58,390
We don't have a fence.

780
00:41:58,390 --> 00:42:02,990
that they just keep being reviewed centers, then you can move it to the digital and the

781
00:42:02,990 --> 00:42:03,410
impact curve.

782
00:42:03,630 --> 00:42:10,730
But that's all kind of dictated by the state, so I don't know how to do much of that.

783
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:14,590
Yours was just a little bit more aggressive than what the state will do right now.

784
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:18,450
What's the police department's appetite for us changing this and making it so that these

785
00:42:18,450 --> 00:42:19,210
are enforceable things?

786
00:42:19,330 --> 00:42:21,750
Is that something they want or something that they're nervous about having to do?

787
00:42:21,830 --> 00:42:28,310
Sean would probably tell me he doesn't want it, but what he has right now is so it

788
00:42:28,310 --> 00:42:36,490
in the U.S. He feels incapable of doing it, because I treat one way, but I treat C.J.

789
00:42:36,530 --> 00:42:37,250
a different way.

790
00:42:38,250 --> 00:42:38,690
It's a problem.

791
00:42:39,350 --> 00:42:39,570
It's a problem.

792
00:42:39,650 --> 00:42:39,850
Yes, of course.

793
00:42:40,450 --> 00:42:41,770
And that's what I refer to.

794
00:42:42,190 --> 00:42:43,130
It doesn't mind doing the work.

795
00:42:43,650 --> 00:42:47,810
It's not going to be a complete profound way to this point, because he's over here doing

796
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:49,690
my real health and safety stuff.

797
00:42:50,010 --> 00:42:54,810
And you guys have to go talk to somebody about the length of it because he's like, I don't

798
00:42:54,810 --> 00:43:01,410
We don't have to have a very easy path to follow and easy way to let me comply, because I need to be very supportive right now.

799
00:43:01,870 --> 00:43:03,090
And then very clear criteria.

800
00:43:03,530 --> 00:43:03,830
Exactly.

801
00:43:04,430 --> 00:43:06,690
Because I don't want to get admired in this stuff and where it goes to court.

802
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:16,950
But that's what Rob does to me is they said, please tighten up our public safety stuff because we pay these cops and they hate society and people because they know that the courts will throw it out.

803
00:43:17,370 --> 00:43:20,450
Because the code is written so poor that you can't enforce them.

804
00:43:20,450 --> 00:43:25,110
You know, and so they're just like, we don't want a radio ticket in the first place, we know it's our childhood.

805
00:43:25,950 --> 00:43:27,750
You know, it doesn't do anything when I do that.

806
00:43:28,030 --> 00:43:33,330
Have you had good success with that with finding a medium with businesses where you're in these cities?

807
00:43:33,890 --> 00:43:40,370
Where you're not completely infringing upon somebody's rights to do what they want with their property.

808
00:43:40,450 --> 00:43:44,830
At the same time, you know, making their neighborhood property value go down because they won't.

809
00:43:46,030 --> 00:43:48,010
I don't know where the medium is.

810
00:43:48,010 --> 00:43:50,690
I know, because it's in the eye of the whole, that's the problem.

811
00:43:50,970 --> 00:43:56,470
So the legal standard is, they talk about very measurable things, and that's probably

812
00:43:56,470 --> 00:44:01,330
very long, of course, you guys may get along, of course, because if you say, it can't

813
00:44:01,330 --> 00:44:06,030
be noisy, well noisy to this person's different than that, so you've got to actually have

814
00:44:06,030 --> 00:44:10,190
a decimal thing, which means the enforcement guy that's got to go over and actually measure

815
00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:12,170
with a decimal with a decimal with a decimal with a decimal with a square root of 12.

816
00:44:12,910 --> 00:44:16,990
And same thing with like, you know, can't be too bright, well that's the most hard work

817
00:44:16,990 --> 00:44:19,530
So you're just like measure of humans, is that really what you're doing?

818
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:25,230
Deciples, the dust measure is something I don't understand for a girl, I don't know,

819
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:30,630
parts from the end of something, or whatever, but it's also hours of operation.

820
00:44:30,990 --> 00:44:35,510
So you can kind of say to me, it's business hours, we get the only thing that's worth

821
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:38,970
whatever shop or something, but why can't you do something like that?

822
00:44:39,450 --> 00:44:43,530
So that's where it gets those conditional uses, you really do kind of have to

823
00:44:43,530 --> 00:44:49,370
but, like, articulate what those conditions are, put it in writing, and then they can go

824
00:44:49,370 --> 00:44:50,870
and then you can enforce against that.

825
00:44:51,090 --> 00:44:51,210
Okay.

826
00:44:51,710 --> 00:44:51,890
Okay.

827
00:44:52,770 --> 00:44:54,630
So let me start with Sean's position.

828
00:44:54,910 --> 00:44:59,570
He's going to say, would you like me to pursue domestic violence and child abuse?

829
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:23,540
Yes, because we have the staff up there. So that's the other dilemma we have. So we actually put it into hire to the federal government and grant where they would help us bring on and on and on. Yes, you know, it's just if they're picking and choosing, they're going to take the one thing.

830
00:45:23,540 --> 00:45:28,780
If you can't cry, absolutely, and try to act in the middle.

831
00:45:29,180 --> 00:45:30,280
You could tell them they're going to be there.

832
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:31,940
You could be a small dash right back and say,

833
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,720
I want you to do order of operations like math.

834
00:45:35,020 --> 00:45:36,740
I mean, if no one's currently beating their wife,

835
00:45:36,940 --> 00:45:37,420
you know what I mean?

836
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:38,320
They're running someone over.

837
00:45:38,420 --> 00:45:39,680
And then I'd like to give you to go address them.

838
00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:41,880
That would be my preference.

839
00:45:42,220 --> 00:45:42,820
You're less dangerous.

840
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,920
I'd love to see the team, but right now,

841
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,660
again, the code is so ambiguous.

842
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,780
It's like, I don't play.

843
00:45:50,980 --> 00:45:51,500
I don't play.

844
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:59,500
And if you don't come down to, we'll see Shonda like me, so he gave me a touch of the lights, Tracy and me didn't do that.

845
00:45:59,900 --> 00:46:01,080
I mean, it just opens up.

846
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,960
We've got to do the same thing, but she goes off with a slot on the wrist and I have to pay $150,000.

847
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,420
Yeah, it just, yes.

848
00:46:06,660 --> 00:46:08,300
Because the ambiguity is the problem.

849
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,220
I just want to be on the middle.

850
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,920
I don't want to be a city where people are afraid, you know, I think about it.

851
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,480
A lot of organizations are going to get them.

852
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,340
But I also want to have some way to address some of the eye sources.

853
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:17,120
Exactly.

854
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:23,700
That's where I was really damaging nice homes property values because their neighbors got the junkyard dog and the junkyard

855
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:27,300
That's kind of the lens we look at code is

856
00:46:27,860 --> 00:46:33,120
What the government needs to be able to let people I mean it's a constitutional right

857
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,500
It's the only problem

858
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,380
There's also a constitutional right to not my property it by your company

859
00:46:38,380 --> 00:46:41,840
So you know, where do you find the balance the most to?

860
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,560
Usually airs on the side of the property

861
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:52,520
I think. A lot of times. Some people get some imaginations. They're going to shoot up any

862
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:58,600
neighbor, but most times it's pretty okay. It's the ground bit though, it's just I was your first,

863
00:46:58,820 --> 00:47:02,280
even though they're surrounded by houses, and they want to now run 24 hours a day.

864
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,580
Those are where the lawyers get, you know, start their own news early call. It's going to be awesome,

865
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,620
because they're just going to fight forever and never resolve it. Water rights.

866
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,860
Yeah. Irrigation stuff in small towns, I'll tell you that.

867
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,480
No. Yeah. I don't want to do it. That's healthy.

868
00:47:19,780 --> 00:47:22,560
All right. Welcome, by the way.

869
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,380
You miss going to jokes, so...

870
00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:26,300
Sorry. He's got one. I don't believe it at all.

871
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:29,020
He's got one. I barely know him.

872
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:30,920
That I can tell he's got him for days.

873
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:34,160
At least.

874
00:47:42,340 --> 00:47:43,880
All right. This is a quick time check.

875
00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:45,100
We're coming up on seven-ish.

876
00:47:45,580 --> 00:47:46,220
Still keep going.

877
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,700
Yeah, I'll have to buy it at like 5%

878
00:47:50,180 --> 00:47:52,020
I can stay right till then.

879
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,700
Okay, dark skies is your general plan talks about

880
00:47:56,700 --> 00:47:59,520
I've not read this before, I don't know, I can't

881
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,680
be honest, but other than a dark sky, but

882
00:48:03,220 --> 00:48:06,980
when it comes to implementing it, it's hard to find a town

883
00:48:06,980 --> 00:48:08,820
that can actually do it correctly.

884
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:10,440
They talk about it very well.

885
00:48:11,380 --> 00:48:13,300
Your general plan talks about

886
00:48:13,740 --> 00:48:18,680
What if no one becomes a laboratory because the actual laboratory for Dark Skies scholars?

887
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,340
I love that, but I don't know, that's pretty good, and that's ambitious, because you guys

888
00:48:24,340 --> 00:48:24,960
aren't like Antarctica.

889
00:48:25,460 --> 00:48:25,540
Right?

890
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:26,960
You guys have a price right there.

891
00:48:27,340 --> 00:48:27,460
Yeah.

892
00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:29,180
So, a little tricky.

893
00:48:29,460 --> 00:48:34,340
So, that might have come from the fact that we utilize the University of Utah Dark Star

894
00:48:34,340 --> 00:48:35,080
in the other room.

895
00:48:35,300 --> 00:48:35,380
Yeah.

896
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:36,120
Dark Star.

897
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:37,140
Why would I get it from?

898
00:48:37,380 --> 00:48:37,540
Yeah.

899
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:38,900
They're huge spans.

900
00:48:38,900 --> 00:48:40,720
They were trying to push that all over the state.

901
00:48:41,500 --> 00:48:45,220
I don't disagree, I just, you can control price.

902
00:48:45,540 --> 00:48:47,580
And you can control the county a little bit.

903
00:48:48,940 --> 00:48:51,500
So, let's see, but anyway.

904
00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:54,580
Chapter 1897,

905
00:49:00,150 --> 00:49:07,230
oh,

906
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:16,040
it's just a couple dark skies title.

907
00:49:16,220 --> 00:49:16,740
That's what it was.

908
00:49:19,660 --> 00:49:26,740
We do have solid code that says, no really, we do want to be Darkest Guy, which I was

909
00:49:26,740 --> 00:49:30,620
impressed with most times I would get that far, but we added a little bit at the beginning

910
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,120
of the purpose statement and thought it was a little thin, just kind of like your code just

911
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,760
dome into it, just said, this little, we think, okay, but if you put a little bit more

912
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:45,420
preamble so sweet at the beginning, so if you get in there you're like, this guy's trying

913
00:49:45,420 --> 00:49:50,180
I'm trying to get paid by the word, and I'm trying to actually just have the rationale

914
00:49:50,180 --> 00:49:51,020
to be a little bit stronger.

915
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:58,080
So that's kind of when we started there, that was one of the areas that outdoor, oh,

916
00:49:58,380 --> 00:49:58,500
huh.

917
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,120
Tell me if you, your dark sky stuff, it's just like everybody else, dark sky stuff, except

918
00:50:03,820 --> 00:50:06,200
it didn't have a lighting curfew.

919
00:50:07,140 --> 00:50:07,760
That is funny.

920
00:50:07,820 --> 00:50:08,940
I thought you were going to talk about that thing.

921
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,520
That is going to be in my field when you take that public word, especially your businesses.

922
00:50:15,940 --> 00:50:20,460
We added the sentence that we've seen in other closets that says all non-essential residentally

923
00:50:20,460 --> 00:50:25,540
and commercial outdoor lighting is encouraged to be turned off by a victim.

924
00:50:27,930 --> 00:50:33,070
No, that's what we picked, like 2 a.m. because that's when we read just closets.

925
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:34,790
That, I'm changing it right now.

926
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:35,430
Thank you.

927
00:50:35,870 --> 00:50:37,490
I don't want to be talking about that.

928
00:50:37,530 --> 00:50:41,090
We talked about that and we said the readjust is in business and so on.

929
00:50:41,130 --> 00:50:41,410
Yeah.

930
00:50:41,410 --> 00:50:44,510
Yeah, we should be able to have lights and tons of rice.

931
00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:44,870
Yeah.

932
00:50:46,450 --> 00:50:51,890
So yeah, driving late, and I go past the Maverick and I can't imagine seeing a car.

933
00:50:52,050 --> 00:50:56,050
Maybe I should have never driven that late, but okay, 2 a.m. is a lot better.

934
00:50:56,610 --> 00:50:57,650
That's better than what we have.

935
00:50:57,650 --> 00:51:00,330
I thought we had that in the coordinates, but maybe I'm talking about it.

936
00:51:00,330 --> 00:51:02,770
I didn't see it, but that's the way you should go.

937
00:51:02,970 --> 00:51:04,610
I don't think I just want to discuss it.

938
00:51:05,090 --> 00:51:05,750
Good, good.

939
00:51:06,050 --> 00:51:06,930
Well, it's now 2 a.m.

940
00:51:06,930 --> 00:51:11,150
So, I mean, we just reiterated what you guys already said about the 2AM thing.

941
00:51:11,730 --> 00:51:12,590
That's what I meant to say.

942
00:51:12,970 --> 00:51:15,030
So, yeah, we didn't change that.

943
00:51:15,330 --> 00:51:16,030
And the rest of it.

944
00:51:16,530 --> 00:51:17,490
I mean, it's pretty strong.

945
00:51:17,850 --> 00:51:19,530
I don't know if you guys are getting pushed back.

946
00:51:20,190 --> 00:51:26,430
There were some principles in that strategic plan that we thought I'd be a little bit fluff,

947
00:51:26,830 --> 00:51:32,210
but we put them in here that it has to be, your life has to be useful and targeted and low-level

948
00:51:32,210 --> 00:51:32,830
and controlled.

949
00:51:34,010 --> 00:51:40,490
I know this sound a little blurry to a coding enforcement officer, so we tried to define

950
00:51:40,490 --> 00:51:44,590
them a little bit, but I don't know, you guys, when you get in here, it might just start

951
00:51:44,590 --> 00:51:44,950
reading it.

952
00:51:45,050 --> 00:51:48,290
If you kind of get pushed back on that, just know I'm not going to start crying.

953
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:54,250
I just want to make it as strong as we can if you're really going to go through dark sky,

954
00:51:54,750 --> 00:51:55,610
go through dark sky.

955
00:51:56,550 --> 00:52:00,890
Yeah, so if you're going to do it, we think, okay, we're all in, okay.

956
00:52:00,890 --> 00:52:00,950
Okay.

957
00:52:11,450 --> 00:52:17,830
My team actually watched me type these, so they don't, there it wasn't too many.

958
00:52:18,490 --> 00:52:19,910
What did they talk about again?

959
00:52:23,860 --> 00:52:31,400
Oh yeah, and the cur- oh yeah. The curfew was currently drafted as encouraged but not mandatory.

960
00:52:32,460 --> 00:52:34,200
So do you want to leave it like that?

961
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,880
I do because we're Christmas town.

962
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:45,140
I mean, we did not want to impede a holiday lighting, so we were very, like, everything

963
00:52:45,140 --> 00:52:50,400
would have gotten us in during holidays, people want their lights on, yeah, Christmas

964
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:51,440
stand on the weekend.

965
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,840
And nothing in the weekends that you picked to have a gas lights on on the main board.

966
00:52:54,940 --> 00:52:55,520
Yeah, I love that.

967
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,240
Yeah, well, we had events and other things.

968
00:52:58,940 --> 00:53:01,200
So you need some lights a little bit.

969
00:53:01,340 --> 00:53:02,940
Yes, for safety as well.

970
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:04,840
Yes, for celebrations.

971
00:53:07,580 --> 00:53:09,420
We try to do that as much as we can.

972
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:15,010
Well, I'm glad you guys can see me completely.

973
00:53:15,170 --> 00:53:16,730
That was like Spanish or something else.

974
00:53:17,450 --> 00:53:17,690
Okay.

975
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:19,430
I should take my book.

976
00:53:20,190 --> 00:53:21,230
Why is this or something?

977
00:53:21,330 --> 00:53:22,030
This is not working.

978
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:23,050
Okay.

979
00:53:23,610 --> 00:53:26,010
I got enough gas in the tank for no one.

980
00:53:26,430 --> 00:53:27,550
This is the boring one.

981
00:53:27,630 --> 00:53:28,970
I should have probably said that for our first.

982
00:53:30,110 --> 00:53:32,290
Lidma is your landing spell and management act.

983
00:53:32,410 --> 00:53:35,450
This is the skate rules that specifically talk about planning

984
00:53:35,450 --> 00:53:37,930
and zoning, and stuff you guys do every day.

985
00:53:38,330 --> 00:53:39,010
That's my definition.

986
00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:43,830
The legislation in the last five years,

987
00:53:44,050 --> 00:53:48,630
they're on its care to just ignore any input from cities

988
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:51,930
and just put, yeah, in-state code.

989
00:53:52,070 --> 00:53:55,250
So we've tried to keep up, and my accent for normal,

990
00:53:55,410 --> 00:53:56,590
and I'm gonna accent forget stuff,

991
00:53:56,770 --> 00:53:58,190
I would like to accent forget something.

992
00:53:59,390 --> 00:54:02,110
Oh, there's, there's just some things.

993
00:54:02,110 --> 00:54:15,910
The one that, um, well, if I had an on-screen you'd see, there's 130 something changes to your code right now that our teams would not expect you to go through all those, and I definitely am not going to waste your time meeting like this.

994
00:54:16,330 --> 00:54:16,970
Read them to you.

995
00:54:17,090 --> 00:54:19,030
It's about going to you. It's never going to be your next meeting.

996
00:54:19,810 --> 00:54:23,270
But just so you're aware of what we're going through those, we're going to bring to you the ones that are staged.

997
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:30,230
One of them that's the really weird one is, like, you're supposed to define how everything you do legislatively is a town.

998
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:31,790
How to fix a family?

999
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:38,890
Yeah, no child knows how to do that. I don't want to do that. The state on both of the guys called him and said, hey

1000
00:54:38,890 --> 00:54:44,030
You need to do a quick training for us and teach town's how to do this. Well, like, okay

1001
00:54:44,030 --> 00:54:47,310
Where do you want me to start there? What the freaking he's like?

1002
00:54:47,930 --> 00:54:51,970
He's like, that's why we pay you so we don't know how to do that

1003
00:54:52,850 --> 00:54:56,750
We think we're gonna put something in your code and I'm not making this up

1004
00:54:56,750 --> 00:54:59,730
The current thought, the way that's actually written,

1005
00:54:59,930 --> 00:55:01,010
and there's some room in this community,

1006
00:55:01,730 --> 00:55:03,670
the way that's written is if

1007
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:05,410
say the planning commission wants to

1008
00:55:05,410 --> 00:55:07,290
work on an intersection problem or something,

1009
00:55:07,390 --> 00:55:10,250
and they're gonna write them in a speed limit

1010
00:55:10,250 --> 00:55:11,830
to city council.

1011
00:55:13,470 --> 00:55:16,170
Part of that has to talk about how that's gonna influence

1012
00:55:16,170 --> 00:55:19,690
the solemn family nature of families.

1013
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:21,370
You have to talk about that.

1014
00:55:21,570 --> 00:55:24,270
So what we're gonna do, this is how we're screwing it,

1015
00:55:24,410 --> 00:55:25,990
not screwing it, but this is how we're complying

1016
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:27,630
I think clearly you can get your recordings.

1017
00:55:28,730 --> 00:55:31,250
The way we're going to do this really accurately is

1018
00:55:31,730 --> 00:55:33,830
put something in your code that says,

1019
00:55:34,050 --> 00:55:37,430
whenever a city is drafting an ordinance,

1020
00:55:37,690 --> 00:55:39,370
one of the recitals, that's the part that says,

1021
00:55:39,490 --> 00:55:39,850
where else?

1022
00:55:40,270 --> 00:55:40,670
Where else?

1023
00:55:40,770 --> 00:55:41,130
Where else?

1024
00:55:41,250 --> 00:55:41,810
Those are your recitals.

1025
00:55:42,810 --> 00:55:44,790
One of the recitals, we'll talk about,

1026
00:55:45,070 --> 00:55:46,030
in that talk on the panel.

1027
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:48,990
So most of the stuff the city does,

1028
00:55:49,250 --> 00:55:49,710
you're going to say,

1029
00:55:50,090 --> 00:55:51,890
where else, we've studied this,

1030
00:55:52,210 --> 00:55:53,230
and it's impact on the family.

1031
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:54,350
It doesn't impact the family.

1032
00:56:03,290 --> 00:56:06,330
So, yeah, that's one of those.

1033
00:56:07,250 --> 00:56:08,670
Again, it's going to come to you.

1034
00:56:08,930 --> 00:56:11,390
The City Council is going to care about a lot more than you guys.

1035
00:56:12,490 --> 00:56:15,390
Just saying that we are aware of those changes.

1036
00:56:15,650 --> 00:56:17,070
I hope we know all of them.

1037
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:24,150
So when you see some stuff in there, if you go cut, we don't do this for fun.

1038
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:26,470
We don't think we're not looking pretty stuff to do.

1039
00:56:26,790 --> 00:56:30,430
We need to go, it's coming from somewhere and we try to cite it when we get into our

1040
00:56:30,430 --> 00:56:36,410
like three themes and reports, we get back to you guys like, okay, we did this, we did

1041
00:56:36,410 --> 00:56:36,770
this.

1042
00:56:37,130 --> 00:56:41,370
Yeah, that is our fault and this was totally not our fault, it's the legislation, it's

1043
00:56:41,370 --> 00:56:41,670
our fault.

1044
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:42,470
Just say no.

1045
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:43,490
That's where it's going from.

1046
00:56:46,010 --> 00:56:50,650
Your fees and, oh, that's another thing that, let me ask you about this, how many

1047
00:56:50,650 --> 00:56:58,090
He's self-indivisions to his helper, actually, my average, I can't even hear you guys do a lot of that, you know that?

1048
00:56:58,850 --> 00:57:01,130
His helper, so he pretty much was planted out.

1049
00:57:01,150 --> 00:57:02,290
I like to plant out.

1050
00:57:03,130 --> 00:57:05,010
Like, taking a 28% harvest.

1051
00:57:05,010 --> 00:57:07,690
Yeah, I mean, it's happened like twice in a year.

1052
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:10,210
Yeah, it doesn't happen very often.

1053
00:57:11,470 --> 00:57:12,370
Okay, good enough.

1054
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:14,150
Yeah.

1055
00:57:14,970 --> 00:57:17,250
That one got to be like crazy in 2000.

1056
00:57:23,790 --> 00:57:29,870
So, just six months now it's gone and something's bigger so it's just gone through and it's

1057
00:57:29,870 --> 00:57:30,810
like a top-of-the-age.

1058
00:57:32,030 --> 00:57:35,190
But you had, there were these rib cords that you guys had to turn around and stuff

1059
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:36,270
in 15 days.

1060
00:57:38,130 --> 00:57:41,570
Much like you didn't say what a day is, a business day or a calendar day.

1061
00:57:41,830 --> 00:57:42,610
It's just all the stuff.

1062
00:57:44,310 --> 00:57:45,870
They've been trying to polish that.

1063
00:57:45,870 --> 00:57:50,550
Yeah, the one reason I bring that up with you guys is that land use authority.

1064
00:57:51,090 --> 00:57:52,990
I think your current is

1065
00:57:55,770 --> 00:57:57,930
17 or so

1066
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,500
there's some code business in our areas others.

1067
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,820
It's a lot of pretty fresh.

1068
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:12,620
Yeah.

1069
00:58:12,740 --> 00:58:14,760
It was done in the state.

1070
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:15,920
It's 30 inches.

1071
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:17,640
Yeah, it's very normal.

1072
00:58:19,260 --> 00:58:25,420
Okay, so one of the things that will go into your code, and we're not there yet, it's a simple table that says,

1073
00:58:25,420 --> 00:58:31,440
if I'm coming to help or city to do a commissional use permit for a whatever, a hair salon,

1074
00:58:31,860 --> 00:58:32,940
you missed all the hair salon stuff.

1075
00:58:33,580 --> 00:58:34,020
Okay.

1076
00:58:34,700 --> 00:58:36,820
Anyway, it was a hair salon favor, kind of.

1077
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:37,920
It was really good.

1078
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:45,160
Anyway, if I'm coming to the city, then the table should say, like the application starts here,

1079
00:58:45,300 --> 00:58:49,200
and this person will consider it, and this body with its client commission and staff,

1080
00:58:49,500 --> 00:58:50,740
or wherever the city council.

1081
00:58:51,340 --> 00:58:55,260
They're the approved authority, and then the field authority.

1082
00:58:55,780 --> 00:58:59,540
And so, when it comes to your self-advisions,

1083
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,580
right now, your code says, for final plot approval,

1084
00:59:03,580 --> 00:59:04,980
which, by the way, is just kind of great.

1085
00:59:05,220 --> 00:59:07,300
I think some of this is super-owned, man.

1086
00:59:07,460 --> 00:59:10,040
They can get super-engineering, and they can get really complicated.

1087
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:16,660
Yours, right now, just says the administrative language authority

1088
00:59:16,660 --> 00:59:22,920
the way that this kind of be a prober at the end is your city administrator. I thought

1089
00:59:23,460 --> 00:59:29,120
most of you administrators don't want to be the person on the hood. They don't like it.

1090
00:59:29,420 --> 00:59:33,000
They don't like it because it's technical and it binds them. It's their signature on it.

1091
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:38,960
So the subject is not bad. They did. They don't like it because it's technical and it binds them.

1092
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,760
So we changed that too, unless you guys want us to keep it that way.

1093
00:59:43,620 --> 00:59:47,080
And then again, the only reason isn't to come out to play in the commission or to see a council,

1094
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,920
it's the stakes that you can't put this much of stuff in.

1095
00:59:50,140 --> 00:59:51,180
So, we have to find somebody.

1096
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,300
So, we put your city attorney.

1097
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,340
What do you think about that?

1098
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,680
Knowing you only do two years, get back.

1099
00:59:58,840 --> 00:59:59,200
You do it.

1100
00:59:59,200 --> 00:59:59,900
You do it.

1101
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:28,420
Two and eight years, you know, that seems correct to me. You won't have to be involved at that. She would be otherwise, if you want. Thank you, sir, I appreciate it. We can't keep going, because hold us on to our core. Okay. I'm so sorry guys. I move to the latest. Do what you got to do, but actually that was my big one. I can just not housekeeping.

1102
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:49,090
Okay, I have a motion to close the meeting, for the board workshop, can I get a second?

1103
01:00:49,690 --> 01:00:53,630
I got a second from Pat, so we adjourned the meeting.

1104
01:00:53,630 --> 01:00:54,570
Meeting is adjourned.