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Good afternoon. Welcome to the regularly

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scheduled city commission meeting for

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Tuesday, July the 28, 2026. If you would

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please stand with me for the pledge of

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allegiance.

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[clears throat]

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I pledge algiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for it stands. One nation under

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God, indivisible with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Thank you. Can we have a call for

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attendance, please?

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>> Commissioner Puit

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>> here.

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>> Commissioner Harus present. Commissioner

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Thomas here.

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>> Mayor Stton

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>> here. Uh, first off, I just wanted to

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say you might recognize a new face on

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the commission, and I wanted to call him

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out because he never gets embarrassed.

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Uh, this is Chief Josh Dixon. He is our

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acting city manager at the moment. Our

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city manager is out of town. Our

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assistant city manager is on Zoom and

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Josh will be sitting in as the acting

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city manager for the remainder of the

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night. Uh, thank you for being here.

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Appreciate it.

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>> Thanks, John.

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>> Uh, first up, if we could have members

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of Christian Community Outreach and

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anybody who is here to support them come

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up to the podium, please.

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We are proud to recognize Henderson

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Christian Community Outreach for their

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outstanding partnership with the city of

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Henderson through the utility assistance

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fund and for their unwavering commitment

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to serving our community. For many

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years, Henderson Christian Community

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Outreach has been a trusted resource for

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local families facing hardships. Through

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their compassionate staff and dedicated

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volunteers, they provide assistance that

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helps individuals and families navigate

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difficult times with dignity and hope.

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One of the many ways they serve our

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community is by administering the city's

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utility assistance fund. Through this

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partnership with the city of Henderson

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and Henderson Water Utility, Henderson

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Christian Community Outreach works

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directly with eligible residents to

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provide financial assistance with their

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water utility bills, helping families

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maintain access to an essential service

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while offering guidance toward long-term

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stability. Their team handles each

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application with professionalism, care,

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and respect, ensuring that assistance

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reaches those who need it most. This

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partnership allows the city to extend

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its support to residents through an

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organization that has earned the trust

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of our community. Beyond the utility

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assistance fund, Henderson Christian

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Community Outreach provides emergency

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financial assistance, food resources,

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and connections to additional services

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that strengthen families throughout

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Henderson County. Their mission is

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rooted in compassion, collaboration, and

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a genuine desire to improve the lives of

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others.

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>> All right. I just wanted to say on

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behalf of the city of Henderson that we

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appreciate everything that Christian

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Community Outreach does. And I did want

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to provide just a little story. So last

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month, I think it was last month uh

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called Susan and uh and we talked about

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uh there's some money that the city and

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the water department had set aside uh

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about a year and a half ago for water

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bills to help people with uh who who

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needed assistance basically.

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>> And uh and the commission decided that

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hey, we've got 25 $30,000 left in that

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fund. uh we'd like to loosen the

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requirements and we up the level of from

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poverty level to 200% of the poverty

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level uh and then reset the clock so

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everybody would be eligible and Susan was was uh was all about it like

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as soon as I called her she's like oh my

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gosh this is great we love doing this

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stuff and uh and so we just like your

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spirit uh and every time we get a chance

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to partner with you guys and your

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organization it has worked out

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wonderfully you do so much for the

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community and on behalf of the city of

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Henderson I just wanted to present you

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with this community spotlight award and

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you have a podium. If you'd like to use

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it, you are welcome to say a few words

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and I'll get this to you in a minute.

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We'll take a picture after you get done

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talking.

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>> Okay. Well, it's going to be quick.

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Thank you. Thank you all. This community

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is huge with support. We are 40 years

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this year and that is huge. That's a

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long-standing relationship with the city

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um with families of Henderson County.

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And so it's an honor to still be here

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and to be in a role that we can still

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meet the need with the rising cost of

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groceries and everything that's going on

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in this world. Um hopefully we're a

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little bit of a bright light to do with

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groceries and what we have on hand for

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staple items now and the partnerships

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that we develop with you and other uh

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agency partners. So thank you for the

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honor and the the trust that you have in

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us as an organization. It means a lot.

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>> thank you.

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>> Oh, thank you guys. You guys, can you

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join me after

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[laughter]

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two?

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» All right, here we go.

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>> Thank you. Thank you for your service.

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» Thank you. Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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» All right. Next up, I'm going to turn it

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over to our acting city commissioner and

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current fire chief, Josh Dixon, and he's

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going to recognize a few new employees.

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>> Yes. So, we have a couple of new

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employees we want to recognize. If I

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could get um our public works director,

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Brian Williams, and Mr. Landon Buckman

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to come up.

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» Okay, we're here. What do you want us to

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do?

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>> Introduce him.

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>> Okay, this is Landon Buckman. He's in

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PWI. Uh Landon has been with us for one

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week. U so far everything is great. So

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fire away at him.

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>> Landon, so this has been the best week

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of your life.

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he said he applied in April and it took

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until now to get on and he couldn't

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hardly wait.

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>> Okay. Hey, so what uh just out of

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curiosity, a serious question, what what

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brought you to the city of Henderson for

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employment?

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>> I heard it was a good place to work and

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had great benefits.

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>> Oh, good. Good. Good deal.

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>> Well, we certainly thank you for coming

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on board. We appreciate it. Brian's

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really good. uh boss to have. Uh so I

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think you're in good hands.

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>> Thank you, sir.

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>> Welcome.

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>> Well,

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wow. I like that.

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>> It's a good place.

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>> All right. Next, can I get uh Chief

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Bolan and Mr. Cade Hicks to come to the

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podium?

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» Good afternoon.

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>> So, Cade is about our favorite type of

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hire we could possibly get. So,

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typically we hire people, send them off

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the academy, and all their training.

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Well, he comes to us already trained and

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it's rare that we get somebody from a

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bigger city. So, he's a officer in

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Lexington that is coming back home to

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Henderson. So, we're thrilled to have

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him.

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>> All right. And and same thing for for

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you. So, what brought you to Henderson

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specifically?

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>> Well, I grew up here in Henderson my

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whole life. I graduated high school

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here.

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>> Um I did the job in Lexington for a year

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and then me and my wife decided we

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needed to be closer to friends and

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family and I wanted to serve here in my

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hometown. So,

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>> awesome. Welcome back. Before you go

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back, tell them our connection.

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>> Oh, yeah. He was my He was my basketball

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coach.

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>> Oh, there you go. I hear that.

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Tell him that was good. I was good.

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>> Hey, welcome. Welcome back. We

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appreciate having you and uh and

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hopefully it's for for a long time. So,

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you guys looking to get settled back in

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town, too?

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>> Good deal. Welcome back home. Thank you

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for coming. Appreciate it. Yes, sir.

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>> There you go. [applause]

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All right. Next up, we've got a

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presentation from Missy Vanderpool and

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Henderson Economic Development.

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>> Hello. I'm going to come up and bring

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some reports for you.

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>> Close.

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>> Not seeing you to read all of it.

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Um, so thank you all for um allow me to

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come present to you all. If you all

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remember, um, it's been over a year ago.

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We talked about KPDI, the Kentucky

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Product Development Initiative, and the

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site that you all own with the Henderson

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Water Utility on 425. We are

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affectionately calling that Triangle

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Point. Um it looks like a triangle. So

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um Triangle Point is located on 425

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bypass. We applied for the KPDI

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uh grant and were awarded that a grants.

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reports. The first step in marketing a

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site. Um the first thing any potential

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industrial client's going to ask for is

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the due diligence reports. So, we have

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to start with there to know where we're

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where we can go with the site. Um, and

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so those those reports came back and are

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completed and I wanted to share that

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with you all. Um, also to talk about

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what's next with that site. So, um, the

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reports came back really good. Um, the

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environmental, there were no concerns

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with environmental, um, geotech, all the

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things, um, that we needed to do. We had

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an alta survey done. Um, the site sits

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positioned really well for development.

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there was utility infrastructure put in

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for um Pratt Industries and so that

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infrastructure is there and ready to

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serve on this site. Again, it's 56

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acres. Um one of the things that won't

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come to a surprise to most of you all um

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is there will be some soil stabilization

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needed on that site. Um we've seen that

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on many developments in Henderson.

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Pretty much anything we've developed is

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part of our um geological makeup um with

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our soil. So, um, some soil

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stabilization would be needed on the

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site. Couple other things, um, that we

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learned through this process. And I

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should have said, uh, QK4 did this work

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with some partners, but QK4 is who we,

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um, had do the due diligence work. They

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did a lot of the work on the 425 bypass

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site where Pratt is now located. And

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just as a reminder, this is adjacent

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just to the west of uh, the Pratt

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property. So, one of the things um that

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was recommended from QK4 for next steps

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um would be a grading plan for that

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site. Uh we would be able to balance

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that with the dirt, but there's about

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260 cubic yards of dirt work that's

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needed to be done, some soil

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stabilization, and some entrance it in e

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eress ingress on that site. So, um,

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we're fortunate that there are two

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access points from 425, um, but we need

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to look at some improvements that would

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be needed to get those access sites, um,

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through KYTC.

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And so, just wanted to give you that

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quick report on the we've completed the

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KPDI. Um, the total cost of that initial

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assessment or due diligence reports was

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about $160,000.

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Um, in all total, the grant was for

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about 140,000. So total out of pocket is

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been about $20,000. Um we split that uh

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we haven't seen those invoices come

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through yet, but as it's anticipated we

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would split that between the city and

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the water utility. Uh when we we first

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did this purchase of that land, that was

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something we discussed. So I wanted to

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talk just a little bit about next steps.

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KPDI is open for the next round. I

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personally think that this may be the

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last round of KPDI as it exists now. um

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this is approved every year through the

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legislature. Um and so I think that what

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we'll see in the future is some

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different form of product development,

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but in the way it sits now, um I think

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this will be the last round for that.

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And so I anticipate that this would be

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the last round. Um we are now what's

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designated as a heritage county.

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legislation made some ch legislator made

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some changes last year to Kentucky

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incentives and to the so the map they

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designated us as a heritage county and

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um so with that being said we are now

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allowed up to $2.5 million of grant

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money through Kentucky product

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development initiative for projects and

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with that also in our population there's

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a formula they use we are required to

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have a 20% match on any KPDI project.

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So, um, a $2.5 million project, we're

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looking at $500,000 would have to be

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local match. So, not saying that we

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would spend $2.5 million on the next

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project, but just for those numbers for

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reference. So, I think next steps, what was recommended from um QK4 would

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be raising the house that sits on that

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site. I talked to you all about that

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before. Um, but that the house being

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there limits what type of development

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can be in there. And I should have said

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if you see the picture on the front of

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this um this made me very excited. I was

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really concerned about what size

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building could fit on that site. Um and

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this is realistically this it's over a

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million square ft of what QK4 says can

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fit on that site with having parking and

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all the access that they would need for

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truck traffic and things like that. So

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that's really exciting that that size of

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a manufacturing facility could fit on

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that site. Um, so next steps again would

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be raising that house. Um, the dirt work

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to grade that to be truly shovel or

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build ready. Um, and potentially some

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work for the access points off 425.

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So the letter of intent for KPDI, it's

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just a letter that I would need to

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submit that says, hey, we're looking at

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submitting for a project and this is

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what the scope of the project could be

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is Friday. I anticipate submitting that

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letter. there's no commitment, financial

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commitment at that point. When we get to

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submitting the request for information

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in September, that's when we will need

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to discuss what the matching what the

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total scope of the project would be, and

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what how the matching funds would come

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into play. But I just kind of wanted to

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give you this intro to where we've been,

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where we are, and where we think the

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next steps for that site is. Uh we have

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just really started marketing that site

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and have already seen some interest. Um

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we have I've talked with the mayor about

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this. We have submitted that site

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already um for an industrial type

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project. That's very preliminary and I

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don't want anyone to think that tomorrow

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we're going to have a big announcement.

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Um that's just the first step of saying

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hey this site is here and available in

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Henderson, Kentucky.

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>> Any questions?

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>> So you don't need any formal action from

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us today?

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>> No.

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>> But it sounds like sometime maybe later

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on in August. Yes. You're going to come

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back and at that time we need to

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>> authorize do some planning on what the

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project looks like. I anticipate in the

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letter that we'll put that we are

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looking at [clears throat] a grading

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plan that raising of the house the

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things we talked about and that total

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those things total from the estimates

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that QK4 gave us is over $3 million. Not

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saying that we have to do all those but

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this is the whole step so that if there

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is another round of KPDI the next year

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or some other form they know what our

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long-term plan is because we know that

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economic development is the long game.

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It's not the short game. And so, you

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know, we may be able to only do this

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portion of the of the project this year.

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Um, but moving it out forward to what

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could be next.

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>> And deal. Anybody have any questions or

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concerns or suggestions, anything like

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that?

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>> No, thank you for looking at it.

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>> Yeah, I appreciate the partnership. Um,

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so fortunate if you go through this

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book, all the partnerships are listed.

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So, I appreciate the partnership um and

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the work on the future development of

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that site.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Thanks. And and I will say

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>> economic development is sometimes like

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planting a plum tree. Uh where you plant

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a seed now, but it may take five or six

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years before it bears fruit.

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>> And uh and so I I admire what you're

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doing now and what we're doing now

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because it's these things are necessary

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for the future growth and future

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industrial builds in Henderson. So yeah.

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>> Yeah, I appreciate that. And just want

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to just one little thing that I wanted

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to mention also in 2019 we a we were

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awarded a KPDI. We were a pilot program

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for this KPDI. We were one of the one of

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three in the state that received funding

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that [clears throat] first year and that

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is where Pratt sits now. So, just a

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reminder that KPDI works. Um, it is an

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investment and it's the long game as you

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just mentioned. So, thank you.

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>> Good deal. Thank you, Missy. Appreciate

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it.

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>> All right. With that, we have a consent

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agenda. The consent agenda contains the

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minutes of the July 21st, 2026 called

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meeting. Resolution number 52-26

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resolution accepting human resources

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report dated July 28, 2026, approving

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all actions contained within and

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authorizing the mayor to execute any

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necessary contracts for employment.

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Resolution number 53-26, resolution

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approving the city manager to execute

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funding agreements with certain

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nonprofit organizations for fiscal year

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2027 consistent with the city of

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Henderson fiscal year 2027 budget and

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municipal order number 64-26 approving

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NSAFE incorporated consulting contract

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for consultation services of the city of

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Henderson's landfills permitting and

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regulatory compliance including closure

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activities and authorizing the mayor to

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execute the agreement.

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>> All right. Do we have any item any

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commissioner would like to pull for

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further discussion

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hearing? Hearing none, I'll entertain a

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motion to approve, please.

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>> We have a second.

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>> Second.

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>> Roll call, please.

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>> Commissioner Puit.

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>> I.

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>> Commissioner [clears throat] Harkus.

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>> I.

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>> Commissioner Thomas.

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>> Hi.

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>> Mayor Stton.

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>> I. U. Next up, we have the second

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reading of an ordinance amending chapter

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13, nuisance relating to clutter.

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>> Ordinance number 17-26, ordinance

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amending chapter 15, nuisances. An

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ordinance amending chapter 15 nuisances,

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article 1 and general section 15-1,

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prohibition of the code ordinances of

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the city of Henderson.

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>> All right. Uh do we have a motion to

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approve, please?

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>> So moved.

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>> We have a second. Second.

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>> All right. Before we have any other

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discussion, uh we did have one person

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sign up who would like to speak to us. I

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think about this. Is this Dean? Is this

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where you wanted to speak, sir?

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>> All right. Dean Spooner. Uh if you would

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if you'd come up to the podium and

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repeat your name, tell us your address

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and tell us what's on your mind, sir.

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>> All right.

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Hi.

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>> I'm Dean Spooner. Uh Reverend Spooner.

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Um uh 212 [clears throat] Barker Road.

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Um, I work a day job so I had to take

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time off and if it was in Henderson I

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would have had to anyway but I my day

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job's in Owensboro so that I'm here just

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it's no small thing from my perspective

523
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and I know you guys are very respectful

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and appreciate things like that. When I

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look at the proposed ordinance uh 17-26

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uh the nuisance clutter, I know I can I

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have a good idea what you guys are

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dealing with and what you're trying to

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do uh for the good, but you know,

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there's always going to be exceptions

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among us. Um there are in my opinion,

532
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probably yours and everyone, there are

533
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lazy people and slob people and there

534
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are neat people and all this, right?

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and the law can kind of reduce and

536
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eliminate um clutter and nuisance, but

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you're never going to get away with it.

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Someone's always going to be a knob. And

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you guys know this, and this is the

540
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challenge, I think of this, but when I

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come to section 15-1B

542
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and under 0.1,

543
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it just I think it goes a little too far

544
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,080
here. An accumulation of any item, even

545
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,039
if in good condition and orderly,

546
00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:20,159
constitutes a nuisance if it exceeds

547
00:23:20,159 --> 00:23:21,840
what is reasonably necessary for

548
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,336
ordinary residential use. As a citizen,

549
00:23:24,336 --> 00:23:25,520
[clears throat] you, the city

550
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,360
government, are going to define what is

551
00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:30,231
ordinary residential use. And how

552
00:23:30,231 --> 00:23:33,120
[clears throat] are items stored on a

553
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:35,679
personal property, private property, in

554
00:23:35,679 --> 00:23:38,640
good condition and an orderly manner,

555
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,000
constituting a nuisance?

556
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,640
how or inconsistent appearance on

557
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,080
private and I'm emphasizing private

558
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,000
property. Some people have more means

559
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,679
than others. Some have more wealth and

560
00:23:53,679 --> 00:23:56,799
options than others do. And I just see

561
00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:58,880
this as an if you pass this as an

562
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,960
intrusion on private property and on the

563
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,960
citizen. And I think when you deal with

564
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,799
this issue, it's the same with like our

565
00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:07,120
um our peace officers, our police, and

566
00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:08,640
our courts. they could be much more

567
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,039
efficient and effective if they weren't

568
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:13,360
hamstring by those uh bill of rights

569
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:15,600
those those first five particularly

570
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,080
right and so I'm also concerned about

571
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,919
this that as you go on this you need as

572
00:24:19,919 --> 00:24:22,159
government you need to tread very very

573
00:24:22,159 --> 00:24:25,279
lightly on people's private property I

574
00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:27,120
know that's a I'm pretty think that's a

575
00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:28,960
concern of each and every one of you but

576
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,640
I'm thinking that this is going too far

577
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,600
and when I go to section 52B

578
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,320
and then it's like the presence of more

579
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,840
than 10 substantially similar items of

580
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,960
the same general type and then there's

581
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,400
arbitrary list arbitrary number.

582
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,240
Um I mean does this include orderly

583
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,880
stacked stored in good condition

584
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,919
firewood to point C that's under tarp or

585
00:24:55,919 --> 00:24:59,120
plastic. And so this is Pandora's box

586
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,120
here and it's intruding and then this is

587
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:04,000
going to change or grow and be and the

588
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,400
very fact in section two there a

589
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,559
property owner may rebut this

590
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:10,480
presumption

591
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,720
by requesting a hearing before the code

592
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,919
enforcement board. To me that is a self-

593
00:25:15,919 --> 00:25:19,120
admission that this ordinance is already

594
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:21,840
admitting that it is overreaching in the

595
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:26,000
private property. I would have you rebut

596
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,120
this presumption from this proposed

597
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:31,840
ordinance. Why put the burden on me

598
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,360
suddenly because someone complains

599
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:36,080
against me and then I have to appear

600
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,000
before a board of people I didn't even

601
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,960
vote for and defend my property and go

602
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,320
pay out for legal expenses myself

603
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,200
for for for what? So, I I just see

604
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,320
there's room for grave error here and uh

605
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,799
I oppose the adoption of this as it

606
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:54,400
stands. And you're welcome to come by

607
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,297
212 Barker Road right now or later

608
00:25:56,297 --> 00:25:58,559
[clears throat] this week. I think my

609
00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:00,480
property is in good order, reasonably

610
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,559
stored and stacked. Uh you won't find

611
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:04,320
anything under a tarp or piece of

612
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,279
plastic. But you know what? If I so

613
00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:09,120
choose on my personal property to want

614
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:12,640
to do that for a while, my wife and I, I

615
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,200
don't think it's any of your as a city

616
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,559
government officials business.

617
00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:21,679
I understand the alleyways, the

618
00:26:21,679 --> 00:26:24,640
sidewalks, and public safety aspect of

619
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,960
things here. There's some you got a good

620
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,240
thing, but I think some of these points

621
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,039
I just raised, I think are just too wide

622
00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:33,600
open, too problematic. And I just wanted

623
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,520
to share that with all of you. So, thank

624
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:36,799
you respectfully.

625
00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:38,320
>> Thank you.

626
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:38,880
>> Appreciate it.

627
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,440
>> Yeah.

628
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,919
>> And and I have uh before you take off,

629
00:26:41,919 --> 00:26:43,520
>> de

630
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,600
I was just going to vouch for you. I've

631
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,039
had a conversation with you at your

632
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:48,320
house before

633
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,880
>> and I've never have I didn't notice then

634
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,400
that you kept an an orderly house. I

635
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,400
thought it was an So, yeah.

636
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,080
>> Well, and you know, you know, we all can

637
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,679
be I think this is more at the

638
00:26:57,679 --> 00:26:59,039
neighborly level.

639
00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:00,080
>> I wish we could do [clears throat] this

640
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,720
better at the neighborly level. And if

641
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,400
my neighbor has their lawn, you know,

642
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,000
I'll say I generally start with

643
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,200
something else. You can be a horse's

644
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,799
butt to your neighbor, but just be kind.

645
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:11,200
Sometimes just ask them to mow their

646
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,640
lawn for them. Some, you know, if we can

647
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,000
just help out one another and leave

648
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,480
that, maybe encourage that. But when the

649
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,159
more you ratchet down on what I've just

650
00:27:18,159 --> 00:27:19,760
highlighted, I think it's going too far

651
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,840
and opening up too much into an

652
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,320
intrusive area that's going to have to

653
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,919
change or be worked. And then you put

654
00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:29,360
the citizen like me now suddenly, we're

655
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:31,840
all put under the

656
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,600
you know, I mean, under the burden of

657
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,600
defending ourselves

658
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,760
by some board or whatever. So, anyway,

659
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:38,480
thank you.

660
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,444
>> Thank you for coming. We appreciate it.

661
00:27:40,444 --> 00:27:43,120
[clears throat] U Don, I think you and

662
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:44,960
Steve might uh might have had some

663
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,640
things to to talk about about this

664
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:47,520
ordinance.

665
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,120
>> Well, um first I'm going to say that I

666
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,520
appreciate you coming. Uh whenever you

667
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,240
write a warning not on news, you're

668
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,480
really trying to balance the rights of a

669
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,080
property owner to enjoy their property

670
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,320
um and use their property with the

671
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,960
rights of the neighbors to be able to

672
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,279
enjoy their neighborhood that are safe,

673
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:12,240
that are clear from clutter that don't

674
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,919
um negatively affect their value. And so

675
00:28:15,919 --> 00:28:19,679
what has happened for us in the last few

676
00:28:19,679 --> 00:28:23,039
years is we continue to get complaints

677
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:27,039
about clutter uh and the way that our

678
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:29,279
clutter ordinance was written. There

679
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:31,520
were many complaints that we could not

680
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,279
do and I showed you photographs

681
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:38,000
um on two different occasions. Rocky to

682
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,159
the commissioner to get instruction from

683
00:28:40,159 --> 00:28:42,320
you all as to how you would like to do

684
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,000
this. One of the issuings became how do

685
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,960
we know what's excessive? Like, and I

686
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,039
showed you um a house that had just

687
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:55,520
numerous bicycles lining up in front of

688
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,200
it, numerous. And so, and we had

689
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,159
received repeated complaints about that

690
00:29:02,159 --> 00:29:04,720
property. And I know that several of the

691
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,799
commissioners here had received the

692
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:10,159
express complaint. So we wanted to make

693
00:29:10,159 --> 00:29:14,000
it clear as to the property owners

694
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,200
understand [clears throat]

695
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,840
when you say what trees will necessary

696
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,279
set a standard that they can measure 10.

697
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:24,559
But if 10 if you don't believe in your

698
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:27,440
home or your yard that 10 is the

699
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,840
appropriate number, you have the right

700
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,760
to have the code of course report. You

701
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,320
don't need an attorney. I don't think

702
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,640
we've ever had Well, we had one

703
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,200
demolition where we had a person

704
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,640
represented by an attorney at 5:30 on

705
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,080
the fourth Monday of the of the uh month

706
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,399
and just come and explain. They have

707
00:29:48,399 --> 00:29:50,799
always been very open about it and

708
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:53,679
reasonably, but at some point we had to

709
00:29:53,679 --> 00:29:57,840
set a more defined standard so that we

710
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,039
could go out and address the issues that

711
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,760
we kept having. The other issues that we

712
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,120
just kept having over and over, not only

713
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,880
is like not items in disrespect, but in

714
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,799
excessive amounts was the items that are

715
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:19,279
in on driveways and car porch, front

716
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:21,840
porches, back porches where you can see

717
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,440
them from a reasonable view. And so, um,

718
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,159
we also show you photographs of those.

719
00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:30,640
And so, in this situation, we have

720
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,320
expanded the clutter ordinance in this

721
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,200
sense, but we've really clarified it so

722
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,840
that our code enforcement officials when

723
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,760
they go out to see um these complaints

724
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,080
and we are complaint driven at this

725
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,799
point. We are complaint driven. So, we

726
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:51,039
do not have code enforcement officers

727
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:54,559
out looking. they go out to respond to

728
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:58,799
res to to complain that they have the uh

729
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:02,320
right to file a notice of violation and

730
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,080
recognize that the way the code

731
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,559
enforcement works if you get a notice of

732
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:09,520
violation that gives you x amount of

733
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,640
days to remedy it no problem. If it's

734
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,799
not repeated within that amount of time,

735
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:16,880
then there's a citation. At that point,

736
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,960
you have the right to come to the code

737
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,360
enforcement court and say you well, you

738
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,360
actually have two rights. You can clear

739
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,679
it up before code enforcement gets

740
00:31:25,679 --> 00:31:28,000
withdrawn and we don't do anything or

741
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,919
you can come to code enforcement court

742
00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:33,360
and explain why you believe that this

743
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,240
act this does not qualify under the

744
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,880
definition of butter. And that's what's

745
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,679
written as a rebuttable presumption. So

746
00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:44,761
that's how that was constructed

747
00:31:44,761 --> 00:31:46,480
[clears throat] and and we brought it

748
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,880
back to you all and you know I wish we

749
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,399
could write the perfect ordinance. Um

750
00:31:52,399 --> 00:31:54,320
they're always and I believe when we

751
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,240
presented it to you last time you know

752
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,640
we knew that there we may have to come

753
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,880
back again but it's always about

754
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,279
balancing you know the city's police

755
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:06,559
powers um property rights because people

756
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:08,880
have the right I do also want to say

757
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,200
that you can have an accumulation of

758
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,080
items under our ordinance that just

759
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,960
can't be an ordinary view. So if you

760
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,000
want to have an accumulating amount of

761
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,080
items, you can have that on your

762
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,080
property. It just can't be ordinary. So

763
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,200
I hope that

764
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,267
>> No, no, no. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.

765
00:32:31,267 --> 00:32:34,640
[clears throat] This is this has been a discussion this Oh, Steve, please come

766
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:35,600
up.

767
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,840
>> Uh I saw you heading up here. This is

768
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,600
this has been a a part of an ordinary

769
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:40,960
discussion or part of a discussion that

770
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,960
we've had at meetings now for a few

771
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,120
months. Uh, and we've talked about a lot

772
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,120
so far, but Steve, go ahead and and uh

773
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,640
>> I mean, it would be great if in the

774
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,120
ordinance we can put treat your neighbor

775
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,519
as you want to be treated, but that's

776
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:56,399
just not enforceable. Um, and and really

777
00:32:56,399 --> 00:32:57,919
what we're doing is we're trying to

778
00:32:57,919 --> 00:33:00,480
address those places where um it's in

779
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,880
someone's backyard. You know, it's it's

780
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,640
not a problem if it's not in your

781
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,960
backyard. Uh, but we're getting calls

782
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,840
from people who have trash. uh their

783
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,559
neighbor is is is throwing all their

784
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:14,960
trash bags in the backyard, you know, or

785
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,760
and mice are coming and bugs and there's

786
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,000
mosquito infestations, you know, pools

787
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,679
left unattended, you know, things like

788
00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:23,679
this. These are the things we have to

789
00:33:23,679 --> 00:33:26,640
deal with, but we can't really uh some

790
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,120
of the things um are are really hard to

791
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,399
enforce. Um and uh so we're trying to

792
00:33:32,399 --> 00:33:34,240
address those things that are difficult.

793
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,200
This is difficult.

794
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,880
>> It is. It is. I don't care any way you

795
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,279
spend it, whoever you are, this is very

796
00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:41,360
difficult. We want balance of of power

797
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,600
in the hands of the people, but we also

798
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:44,880
don't want the people to wreck each

799
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,960
other, you know. So, we have that

800
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,679
balancing act of when does this become

801
00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:53,600
destructive to my property value?

802
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,919
You That's a good question. If I'm

803
00:33:55,919 --> 00:33:57,360
trying to sell my house and I've got

804
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:58,960
somebody next door with all kinds of

805
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,320
stuff in the back of a trailer that's

806
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,159
been there for 3 months and everybody

807
00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:03,760
that's coming to my house sees that and

808
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,679
they can't I can't sell my house. When

809
00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:08,159
does that become the issue? So we have

810
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,079
that balance. We don't want to take all

811
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:13,440
the power away from citizens

812
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,119
but we also don't want citizens to

813
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:17,839
control each other at the same point. So

814
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:19,440
we're trying to create something that is

815
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,440
actually enforcable that is fair and

816
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,440
that ain't easy. [laughter] That is a

817
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,800
hard thing to do.

818
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,399
>> So, we haven't really changed a lot.

819
00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:30,079
What we did change is the number. Yes,

820
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:33,040
we changed the number uh of of of items

821
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,879
someone can have. We did put a number on

822
00:34:34,879 --> 00:34:38,399
that because really um you can have 100

823
00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:40,000
bicycles in your basement, not a

824
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,800
problem. When you have 20 bicycles in

825
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,079
the front yard of your house and that's

826
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:46,240
impacting my property value, that's kind

827
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:49,599
of a problem. Uh you can have as many

828
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,839
trash bags inside your house lining up

829
00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:53,919
the hallway. I don't care as long as no

830
00:34:53,919 --> 00:34:55,760
one else sees it and it's not impacting

831
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,000
your neighbors. It's about treating your

832
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,359
neighbor the way you want to be treated

833
00:34:59,359 --> 00:35:01,680
and and we can't enforce that. But there

834
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,040
is a balance in there we're trying to

835
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,280
find and that's really what's before

836
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,760
you. Uh how are we going to create the

837
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,839
balance that's needed here as a

838
00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:11,119
commission? You guys are the ones that

839
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:13,280
get to decide what goes in our

840
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,440
ordinances. And I don't envy you guys

841
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,680
that decision. We brought this before

842
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,400
you to try to help. We're really here to

843
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,560
help you however we can.

844
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,400
>> So ultimately the decision is on you in

845
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,119
your guys's hands. Uh and we've

846
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:28,720
developed this, you know, to try to help

847
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:30,739
you in any way we can. And again,

848
00:35:30,739 --> 00:35:31,599
[clears throat]

849
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:33,760
um this isn't easy,

850
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:34,320
>> right?

851
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,800
>> But we want to do what's right. You

852
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,320
know, at the end of the day, let's do

853
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,680
the best thing.

854
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,280
>> So,

855
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,880
uh that's where we are.

856
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:43,520
>> Okay.

857
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:44,400
>> Thank you.

858
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,680
>> Bless you guys. Steve, stay.

859
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,760
>> I read it. I read the ordinance. Me and

860
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,839
the mayor, we were talking before the

861
00:35:51,839 --> 00:35:54,800
meeting and I that's the one kind of

862
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,720
thing that jumped out on the agenda

863
00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:00,720
today was to me,

864
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:02,240
we know the balance. Just like in my

865
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:03,680
house, I don't want somebody over. Hey,

866
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:04,880
if I'm sell my house, you got a whole

867
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,480
bunch of junk over, you know, I Hey,

868
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,200
y'all got to get him. I get that. But it

869
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,520
looked like to me it went a little

870
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,440
further than it should. Especially on

871
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,599
some stuff about tarping, you know,

872
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:19,040
having tarps. If somebody goes to the

873
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,280
extent to try to cover it up, I think we

874
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,320
should give them the benefit of the

875
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,040
doubt.

876
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,040
>> That's a good question. I mean, we have

877
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,240
the only reason we brought that is

878
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,560
because it was a very popular um

879
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,800
complaint. Uh we're not bringing you

880
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,240
complaints that are not like out there.

881
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:33,280
We're making them up. These are

882
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,480
complaints that come in our office all

883
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,359
the time. So, people complain about a

884
00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:39,280
pile of junk in someone's yard and all

885
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,640
they do is they cover it up with a tarp

886
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,160
and then it's all it's not there

887
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,079
anymore, but the pile of junk is still

888
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:45,680
there. There's still rodents. there's

889
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,119
still stuff happening, right?

890
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:49,440
>> Uh it's just covering it like you know

891
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,079
>> commissioner for if you remember when we

892
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,720
came both times to present this we

893
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:56,640
present in September and then we present

894
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,880
it again that was a question that we put

895
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,440
forward we put pictures up and we asked

896
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,400
the commission do you want to prohibit

897
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,960
that or do you want to allow it and we

898
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,400
were instructed to prohibit it.

899
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,960
So just for me

900
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,440
>> when I read it, it was a lot of

901
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,880
>> what do I think

902
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,240
>> is clutter, you know, and

903
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:23,200
>> so something about that it it doesn't

904
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,640
hit me just right. But here's what I

905
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,560
really truly think I would want to do at

906
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:27,760
this point

907
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,760
>> for us to have something like a open

908
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,240
meeting with the public, have them

909
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:34,400
speak, tell them what we're thinking,

910
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,400
what we're trying to get to, and see can

911
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,640
we come to the middle. I just think that

912
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,200
would be better on certain this this

913
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,480
clutter thing

914
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,640
>> because

915
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,200
>> are the ones that are doing this are

916
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,040
they going to attend that meeting?

917
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:49,520
>> Well, at least

918
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,800
>> I would say probably not.

919
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,160
>> Well, at least we gave him a shot.

920
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,119
That's just me. I think because the

921
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:56,640
gentleman that spoke, Mr. Dean.

922
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:57,119
>> Yeah.

923
00:37:57,119 --> 00:37:58,960
>> I I think he hit some great points

924
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,680
because when I did read it,

925
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,280
>> I told the mayor, I said, "Hey, some

926
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,560
stuff in here.

927
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,680
>> I don't know if

928
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,200
I know it's not easy.

929
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,800
>> Well, [laughter] and I'll tell you

930
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,800
where. So, so, uh, Commissioner Pru and

931
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,119
I did talk and, uh, I think we're coming

932
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:16,480
at it from from two different

933
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,839
viewpoints, which is healthy, which is

934
00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:19,119
what you want on a commission. You want

935
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:20,320
different people to represent different

936
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,040
viewpoints, right? Um, I think I think

937
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,480
Reverend Spooner made a good point about

938
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,000
firewood especially, right? You know, if

939
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,000
you got firewood and you're living out

940
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:28,960
outside the side of your house and

941
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,480
people can see it and you got a couple

942
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,400
stacks of it, then that technically

943
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,240
violates what's on paper here. Uh but I

944
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:39,200
also think that uh one of the number one

945
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,480
complaints that I've gotten over the

946
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,160
years are codes related and it's not uh

947
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,160
it's hardly ever because of the

948
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,560
performance of the codes department. You

949
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,720
all are operating within the laws that

950
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:53,520
we provide to you to operate within.

951
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,599
>> Sure. Uh, and so if something says that

952
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:57,520
somebody hasn't cut their grass and you

953
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,119
go out and issue a citation and then

954
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:00,240
they have three weeks to cut their

955
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:01,839
grass, a lot of times they wait those

956
00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:03,520
three weeks, they cut their grass and

957
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:04,880
then you have to start the process all

958
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,640
over again. If they're habitual

959
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,000
offenders, there's very little to do

960
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,640
there. And so what I'm seeing on paper

961
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,000
here is there is some room for open

962
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,000
interpretation for the codes department

963
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,920
which I don't think is necessarily

964
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,680
unhealthy because I believe that in

965
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,320
order to get to the things that are of

966
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,480
concern to people you for example the

967
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,640
bicycles you know early on I was reading

968
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,320
some stuff on the internet where Adam Bl

969
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,839
said something about bicycles on his

970
00:39:31,839 --> 00:39:34,320
Henderson Live page uh where he said you

971
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,680
know what if all the neighbors came over

972
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:36,640
and parked their bikes there you're

973
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,880
going to be in violation of it. Well, I would think that we would be able to

974
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,960
have the discretion of a neighborhood

975
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,079
get together and a difference between

976
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:48,960
having that and junk bicycles par, you

977
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,560
know, piled up for 6 months that

978
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,760
somebody's been complaining about three

979
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,359
or four times and you don't have

980
00:39:53,359 --> 00:39:55,599
anything to to enforce by.

981
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:58,800
>> And so for me, the the the by clarifying

982
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,720
the clutter, it gives you a little bit

983
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:02,880
more teeth when you need it,

984
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,839
>> but not more teeth when it's not needed.

985
00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:07,920
Uh uh and and so that's kind of the way

986
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,359
that I'm taking it is that we we we

987
00:40:11,359 --> 00:40:13,280
would create a framework for our codes

988
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,119
department to have a little bit more

989
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:17,119
teeth whenever it's needed whenever we

990
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:19,040
get these types of complaints because

991
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,480
one of the most frustrating things for

992
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,040
me over the years uh anytime we're in a

993
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,560
situation where we can't fix it is

994
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,560
frustrating for me. If somebody's got a

995
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:27,760
complaint and we can't fix it, it's

996
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,480
frustrating. And and so if this allows

997
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,800
you more teeth to fix certain situations

998
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,680
or to address certain situations, then

999
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,320
it it actually is helping to prop up the

1000
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,760
freedom of people who want to live their

1001
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,440
life happily without these types of

1002
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,680
things next door to them. Uh and so

1003
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:44,880
there's there's all different kinds of

1004
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,960
angles to to look at from it. I'm

1005
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,920
positive this wasn't uh some evil person

1006
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,480
trying to to put her spin on it or his

1007
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,400
spin on it from an elite standpoint and

1008
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,079
all this other crap that people say

1009
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:57,680
online, which I find a little

1010
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,400
frustrating. Uh this is this is a this

1011
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,720
is an exercise based on the the number

1012
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:04,960
of complaints that we get and and uh the

1013
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,280
sheer amount of of complaints that deal

1014
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,839
with codes that you guys do not have uh

1015
00:41:09,839 --> 00:41:11,599
the ability to address. We're trying to

1016
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:13,119
make it so that you can address them

1017
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:15,359
more. Uh, and I did see some stuff in

1018
00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:22,400
here that uh it's not perfect. Uh, but uh uh I I do think it uh I do think

1019
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,880
it's at a point where it does provide

1020
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,200
for you the intent of what it's supposed

1021
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,520
to provide. And that's just giving you a

1022
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:30,960
little bit more teeth where you get an

1023
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,720
honest complaint that you apply your

1024
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:34,560
discretion and you're able to address it

1025
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,640
versus getting a complaint, going out

1026
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,160
and looking at it and not being able to

1027
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,760
address it because we don't have it

1028
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,000
written into our local laws. And so

1029
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,119
there is a balance. So it's very

1030
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:43,520
difficult.

1031
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:44,240
>> Yep.

1032
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:47,680
>> If a person has an open carport and you

1033
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:48,960
ride behind and you see something, you

1034
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,160
say, "Hey, y'all got to do something

1035
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,480
with that." And they tarp it. Are they

1036
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,319
in violation?

1037
00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:55,839
>> No. Currently, no.

1038
00:41:55,839 --> 00:41:58,319
>> I'm talking No, I'm saying once if we

1039
00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:01,599
were past this person has a carport, I

1040
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:05,119
don't say they got 15 bicycles.

1041
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:06,160
>> Mhm.

1042
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,480
>> And they tarp them, but you can't see it

1043
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,000
from the street, but it's under their

1044
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:10,720
carport.

1045
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:11,040
>> Yeah.

1046
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,960
>> Are they in violation? Okay. Would be

1047
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,040
with this from the street from ordinary.

1048
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,480
So it would depend. So it would depend

1049
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,960
where the you know in the carport.

1050
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,800
>> So if it were in the back quarter of the

1051
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,040
carport and you could not see it because

1052
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,440
if the definition if you saw when you

1053
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,000
reviewed it is from ordinary view.

1054
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,200
>> It's where anybody can see.

1055
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,760
>> Not from ordinary view from the street

1056
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,560
then no it is not. But if it were within

1057
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,119
ordinary view of the street,

1058
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:42,880
>> see that's where my problem is.

1059
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,960
>> But they could also tarp trash.

1060
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,839
>> Well, I know. But

1061
00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:49,280
>> I know I know where we're trying to get

1062
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,319
to because

1063
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:51,200
>> we're here to help [laughter] you.

1064
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:51,680
However,

1065
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,440
>> I know where we're trying to get to, but

1066
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,280
I I

1067
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,760
>> you know, my my opinion is

1068
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,000
>> I'm like think

1069
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,520
I don't like government overreach at

1070
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:01,920
all.

1071
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,920
>> Yeah. But as a city, if you call and

1072
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,000
complain on your neighbor, the worst

1073
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,760
thing we can do is say, "We can't do

1074
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,520
anything about it. Sorry." Which is

1075
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,200
what's happening now. Because we don't

1076
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,839
have the rights or the means to do this.

1077
00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:18,400
Now, if we put some teeth into it, we

1078
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,720
can address these complaints. And I can

1079
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:22,880
guarantee Steve not going out looking

1080
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,040
for clutter. He's got too much other

1081
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,800
stuff on his plate. At least we can

1082
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,839
address complaints that we get. Now, now

1083
00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:31,680
if something happens like in the DARP

1084
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,440
issue,

1085
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,520
we can come back and address that again

1086
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,280
just like we're doing now. We got an

1087
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,720
ordinance now. We're addressing it now.

1088
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:40,880
We're changing something in it two

1089
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,800
months down the road. We go right back

1090
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,440
and you build some of this stuff where

1091
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,119
we want we screwed up on something.

1092
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:48,880
Fine. Let's go fix it. You know, a month

1093
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:49,599
down the road.

1094
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:52,720
>> And the other thing is every month Steve

1095
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:55,680
files a report. He files a written

1096
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,560
report with the code enforcement board

1097
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,760
every month as to what the complaints

1098
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,480
were that they wrote up what the

1099
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,880
citations were. He he does it every

1100
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,560
month. So I'm not suggesting this that

1101
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,680
this could be to address your issue is

1102
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,400
that Steve can forward you all the

1103
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,240
report that he forward the code

1104
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,720
enforcement board every single month and

1105
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:23,680
that way you would see are there any

1106
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,839
clutter ordinances

1107
00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:28,319
violation that you all want to see with

1108
00:44:28,319 --> 00:44:31,440
targeting and that way uh I think that

1109
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,240
might address what you're talking about

1110
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:36,640
>> the repeaters

1111
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,760
so Um, so that report's already in

1112
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,720
existence. All it would be is you would

1113
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:45,599
forward it not just to our coordinate

1114
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:48,640
forward, but they would forward it.

1115
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,839
So, and I do a great way of you all

1116
00:44:51,839 --> 00:44:55,760
being able to monitor where we are. Yes.

1117
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,160
>> And and I do I think that's good to get

1118
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,599
that report. You know, how many people

1119
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:01,280
reporting different things, but I know

1120
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:02,800
you're not out there doing that and I

1121
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,640
know the calls that you get and we get

1122
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:05,520
are for real.

1123
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,680
>> Yeah. But when I read that whole

1124
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,520
ordinance, that's just too much to me.

1125
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,960
That's just too much of do I think what

1126
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,760
I think is clutter. How many can you

1127
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,920
just you can only have 10 post these are

1128
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,079
brand new bicycles?

1129
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:26,960
>> Is that clutter? I don't know. That's where I'm at. Well, it's I would

1130
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,720
not be in agreement the way it is in

1131
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:30,400
your yard. You know,

1132
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,319
>> getting hung up on something like

1133
00:45:32,319 --> 00:45:34,880
bicycles too when that is really not

1134
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,960
what we're talking about. We are talking

1135
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,359
about those extreme examples that we

1136
00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:41,920
keep seeing, those extreme examples that

1137
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,599
you keep getting calls on, we keep

1138
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:46,079
getting calls on. And that is what it's

1139
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:48,319
intended to help, you know. Um, and we

1140
00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:49,920
have to give them something to help in

1141
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,560
that way. And it's hard and I I hate it.

1142
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,480
is difficult.

1143
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,200
But the the situations that we are

1144
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:02,800
seeing, they are they're extreme. Um and it's unfortunate because I don't I

1145
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,960
don't want to overstep either, but

1146
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,280
people are taking

1147
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,839
advantage. I know you are not out there

1148
00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:12,800
looking for wood piles.

1149
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,040
We are talking about

1150
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,520
the pictures that we're seeing because

1151
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,400
we we have to we have to know those

1152
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:21,599
pictures. We really do. That's right.

1153
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:23,680
>> Just like the one call I keep getting

1154
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,119
about the guy who keeps parking his

1155
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:25,520
trailer.

1156
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:26,160
>> Oh, yeah.

1157
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,640
>> Yeah. So, I get all that.

1158
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,400
>> But if we're going to have an ordinance

1159
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,480
and we're going to make it work, we got

1160
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,160
to make sure that it's right.

1161
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:34,720
>> Absolutely.

1162
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:38,800
>> If piles of wood like Miss Dean was

1163
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,800
talking about, if that's going against

1164
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,920
clutter and then we we pass this, we

1165
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,480
need to fix it before we pass it. You

1166
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,160
know, I don't think we it needs to be in

1167
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,640
there and then say, "Okay, well, if

1168
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,640
somebody gets cited for clutter and cut

1169
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,640
firewood, we'll bring it back and do it

1170
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,319
a month later." I don't think that's the

1171
00:46:56,319 --> 00:46:58,000
right thing to do. If you're going to

1172
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,560
put it in, put it in, right? Put it in

1173
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,800
the first time, right? Let's just do it.

1174
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,359
It's no hairy to get to that. We can

1175
00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:08,319
pass this in two weeks. We could go say,

1176
00:47:08,319 --> 00:47:11,280
"Hey, let's if we got firewood and they

1177
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,280
cover it up or whatever, how do we get

1178
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,720
to this?" Uh let's don't say well let's

1179
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:19,040
we have to sight him because it was in

1180
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,680
there and make him go to a board make

1181
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,200
him go through all jump through all the

1182
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:23,920
hoops.

1183
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,920
>> Well it's what's reasonably necessary

1184
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,240
for a residential use of but imagine

1185
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:30,640
that a pile of fire would be reasonably

1186
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:31,280
necessary.

1187
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,960
>> Okay. Now how much is not reasonably?

1188
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,880
Who going give me that answer? Who can

1189
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,760
determine how much is not reasonably?

1190
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,280
Well, yes, with all things,

1191
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,839
Commissioner, we we uh we have to give

1192
00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:46,480
some discretion or vote for portion, but

1193
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,440
due process allows people to address

1194
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:49,920
that.

1195
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,160
>> Well, that's that's taking citizens

1196
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,560
through something that we should define,

1197
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,359
not that he's if he walks up there and

1198
00:47:57,359 --> 00:48:00,240
I've got a bunch of firewood, he may he

1199
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:02,880
wow, he burn he's keeping a lot of heat.

1200
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,480
>> Yeah, I was going to say firewood again

1201
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,920
is not what we're talking about. Well,

1202
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,599
but it's in there.

1203
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:09,359
>> It's in there. I'm not worried about

1204
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:11,280
what we're talking about. When you make

1205
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,000
laws that can be used against someone,

1206
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,079
>> you ought to make sure that it's right.

1207
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:18,160
Not we not we weren't talking about you,

1208
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,400
but since I'm here, I can still cite

1209
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,319
you. That's not That's not how you do

1210
00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:24,480
it. You do it right. When I read a law,

1211
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:25,359
>> that's how he's doing it.

1212
00:48:25,359 --> 00:48:26,800
>> When we read a law,

1213
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,119
>> if a police officer stops me, he said,

1214
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:31,280
"We didn't write the law up for that

1215
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,400
personally." Yeah.

1216
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,119
>> We we we're doing Well, let me speak.

1217
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:36,160
Okay.

1218
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,200
>> If a police officer stops me, he said

1219
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,920
the law really wasn't written for this,

1220
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,800
but it's in here and I I'm going to cite

1221
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:45,920
you.

1222
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,119
>> You're talking about abuse of power.

1223
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:48,559
>> That's right. There you go.

1224
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:49,599
>> We don't want abuse of power.

1225
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:54,800
>> That's right. All I want you to do if if a guy's got firewood and we can sight

1226
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,640
him, let's just say if it's firewood and

1227
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,720
it's neatly stacked or whatever, that's

1228
00:48:58,720 --> 00:48:59,760
okay.

1229
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,000
>> Let's just do it. Let's just say it.

1230
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,000
Well, I mean there's there's always

1231
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,880
checks and balances with law typically

1232
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,720
so that we don't have abuse of power,

1233
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:09,520
right?

1234
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,480
>> So, I mean, whatever you guys want to

1235
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,720
do. Like I said, this is your decision.

1236
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:17,520
>> Whatever you guys want to do,

1237
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,599
>> Don say we can pass this and go back and

1238
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:22,400
amend it with firewood.

1239
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,839
We want to put that in.

1240
00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:25,520
>> I mean, is it Harry to pass it today?

1241
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,440
Why don't we amend it and pass it in two

1242
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:27,839
weeks?

1243
00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:29,119
>> Well, I'm going to be quiet because I

1244
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:30,240
know Josh is

1245
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,160
>> just quick question. So say somebody

1246
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,319
does call for a complaint and you go

1247
00:49:34,319 --> 00:49:35,200
address it.

1248
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,680
>> Do they get an opportunity to correct

1249
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,079
before it's taken to obviously cited and

1250
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:40,800
taken to the company?

1251
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,240
>> So there's always a notice of violation

1252
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:43,680
and there's a certain period of days

1253
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,119
they have to correct that. If it doesn't

1254
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:47,119
get corrected then it goes to citation.

1255
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:49,119
They have more days to correct it. If it

1256
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:50,800
doesn't get corrected then we we stepped

1257
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:51,200
down.

1258
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,400
>> So good example I remember when we did

1259
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,160
um a fine schedule for fire code

1260
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,559
violations. One of the one of the one of

1261
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:03,119
the big questions was that you all asked

1262
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:05,280
me was are you going to go looking for

1263
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,800
it? No, we're not going to go looking

1264
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,960
for it. But it also again it gives us a

1265
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,599
point where we can we do set a standard

1266
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:13,680
that we can go by. And most of the time

1267
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,480
I can tell you I I may be wrong, but I

1268
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,160
don't think we've ever find anybody yet

1269
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,200
>> for your fire.

1270
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,920
>> No, not yet. But it it's but it's also

1271
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,000
having that standard saying, "Hey,

1272
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,760
>> this is what's got to be corrected and

1273
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:28,960
we're going to give you x amount of days

1274
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,839
to do that."

1275
00:50:31,839 --> 00:50:32,720
>> Operated that way.

1276
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:35,839
>> And and two, so there are probably

1277
00:50:35,839 --> 00:50:37,520
thousands of exceptions that we could

1278
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:38,240
think of

1279
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:39,599
>> that we could add and it could be a

1280
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:41,599
200page ordinance and I don't think we

1281
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:43,839
want to end up there. No, I just I just

1282
00:50:43,839 --> 00:50:47,095
think we should add in

1283
00:50:47,095 --> 00:50:47,200
[clears throat]

1284
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:48,720
>> especially like when I'm out in country

1285
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:49,599
view,

1286
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:52,800
>> I see people got stuff in their carports

1287
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,440
and they and they got it tarped

1288
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,040
and but you can see it, you know,

1289
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,680
country roads are thin. I can see it

1290
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,640
from the street. Is that clutter? I just

1291
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,640
don't know if I'm going to tell them

1292
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,200
what you got tarped up under there cuz I

1293
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:08,480
can see it from the street. You're

1294
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,319
breaking a law. I just don't know if I'm

1295
00:51:10,319 --> 00:51:11,839
there. Uh and [clears throat] and I

1296
00:51:11,839 --> 00:51:13,440
don't want to come back and amend

1297
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,359
something if we can wait two weeks and

1298
00:51:15,359 --> 00:51:17,119
fix it and then pass it like that.

1299
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:17,920
That's just me.

1300
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,319
>> Commissioner, if you remember, that was

1301
00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:22,640
a question we had for the commission

1302
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,839
>> and we asked for your direction on

1303
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:29,280
tarping and the direction that was given

1304
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,160
was to include tarping. So that was that

1305
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:32,400
was

1306
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,880
>> well it might have been a mistake if we added that tarping. I think

1307
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:37,760
>> I think the the

1308
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:38,559
>> we need to look at

1309
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:40,480
>> I think the spirit of the tarping rule

1310
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,440
has to do more so with rodent control

1311
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,800
and things like that and and so so I I

1312
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,480
think that that when our codes

1313
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,960
department goes so first of all he Nolan

1314
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,920
said we're not doing uh proactive things

1315
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,839
we're doing reactive things so when we

1316
00:51:55,839 --> 00:51:56,559
receive complaint

1317
00:51:56,559 --> 00:51:57,280
>> complaint driven

1318
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,119
>> yeah complaint driven thank you so

1319
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:00,400
whenever they receive a complaint they

1320
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:01,760
go out and investigate they don't go out

1321
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,200
with a piece of paper in their hand and

1322
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,440
a citation they go out and investigate

1323
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,160
to see if it is in violation and and I

1324
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,680
think there's some leeway there for them

1325
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,599
to use their their their reason uh you

1326
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:15,040
know their reasoning capabilities when

1327
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:15,680
they go out

1328
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,599
>> and Steve I think you're right on time.

1329
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:19,599
Steve does a great job. He's not he's

1330
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:21,760
not bullying anybody.

1331
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,359
>> But I do think when I read a law if it

1332
00:52:25,359 --> 00:52:27,680
says if you got something tarped under

1333
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,920
your carport and I can see it from the

1334
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,240
street it's breaking the law. I think

1335
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:34,559
our citizen deserve to know the law and

1336
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:36,240
know when they're breaking the law. If

1337
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:37,839
they're not breaking the law, then don't

1338
00:52:37,839 --> 00:52:39,599
put it in there. That's just me.

1339
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:41,839
>> The ones who are abusing the TARP

1340
00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:43,280
situation, [clears throat] how do we

1341
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,079
help them? How do we get to that? How do

1342
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:47,520
>> that's the whole thing? That's right. I

1343
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,520
get that because that's who it's

1344
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,520
intended for and and how do we help

1345
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:52,240
them?

1346
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:53,680
>> Well, I think this I think this is a

1347
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,680
this discussion is a good representation

1348
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,520
that I know where we get there's a lot

1349
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:58,800
of different opinions and we're not

1350
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,319
going to we're obviously not going to

1351
00:53:00,319 --> 00:53:02,960
agree on it. However, I think we've got

1352
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,319
all the information that we need. If

1353
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:06,160
there are no additional questions or

1354
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,400
concerns or suggestions or anything, I

1355
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:09,599
think we've had a really healthy

1356
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:10,880
discussion about it. And I think we're

1357
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,880
at a point to where we should probably

1358
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,000
know which way we're going to vote on

1359
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:14,960
the issue.

1360
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,520
>> U so if there's no objections, then uh

1361
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,079
we've got a motion and a second. And

1362
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:21,119
>> let me say this before we do.

1363
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:21,680
>> Yes, sir.

1364
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,720
>> Um and if we decide if we find out

1365
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:27,200
something is wrong, one thing about this

1366
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:28,720
council, we will come back and fix. We

1367
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:32,079
will absolutely absolutely

1368
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:34,319
>> absolutely but I I think uh well we

1369
00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:35,839
haven't done anything yet uh you know

1370
00:53:35,839 --> 00:53:37,760
and uh we we've had a discussion so

1371
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,520
let's vote and however the vote turns

1372
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,119
out you are exactly right you know

1373
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:43,440
whatever we do if uh if we get out there

1374
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,280
and we learn that it's a mistake we will

1375
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,800
go back and correct it is you know but if it's not then we'll keep it in

1376
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,920
place uh if we vote to do that. So like

1377
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,520
to ask for a roll call please.

1378
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:54,480
>> Commissioner Puit

1379
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,240
>> no. Commissioner Hargus.

1380
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:56,880
>> Hi,

1381
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:57,839
>> Commissioner Thomas.

1382
00:53:57,839 --> 00:53:58,480
>> Hi,

1383
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,160
>> Mayor Stton.

1384
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,960
>> Hi.

1385
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,720
>> All right. Thank you. And Reverend

1386
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:06,559
Spinner, thank you for coming. I really

1387
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:07,920
appreciate your information and thank

1388
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,200
you for being so respectful. Really

1389
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:09,680
appreciate it.

1390
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:10,800
>> You're welcome. Thank you.

1391
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,559
>> Um, next up, we have a municipal order

1392
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,200
authorizing the purchase of a customuilt

1393
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,040
barge.

1394
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,839
>> Municipal order number 65-26. Municipal

1395
00:54:21,839 --> 00:54:23,200
order authorizing the purchase of a

1396
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,040
customuilt barge gangway and accessory

1397
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,880
handrail from Maritime Preservation and

1398
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,559
Training Foundation LTD for the

1399
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:31,119
furniture for sorry for the future

1400
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:33,680
display and birthing of the PTF26

1401
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,359
gunboat authorizing non-competitive

1402
00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:38,880
negotiation pursuant to KRS 45A 380

1403
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,119
subsection 6 and authorizing the mayor

1404
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:42,720
to execute all documents necessary to

1405
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:43,680
complete the purchase.

1406
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,280
>> We have a motion to approve. Please

1407
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:45,520
move.

1408
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:46,640
>> Do we have a second?

1409
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:47,280
>> Second.

1410
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,880
>> And Buzzy, are you on the line?

1411
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,319
I am. Can you hear me?

1412
00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:54,160
>> I can I can I don't know that there will

1413
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:55,680
be any questions because we've talked

1414
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,000
about this now three or four times. Uh

1415
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,079
but before we vote, does anybody have

1416
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:02,160
any questions for Buzzy about the barge

1417
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,720
purchase?

1418
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:06,319
>> Everybody, I think we're I think we're

1419
00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:07,440
good. I think we got all the information

1420
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,839
that we're going to need. Um roll call,

1421
00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:10,480
please.

1422
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:11,440
>> Commissioner Puit,

1423
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:11,760
>> I.

1424
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:12,640
>> Commissioner Hargus.

1425
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:12,960
>> Hi.

1426
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:13,920
>> Commissioner Thomas. Hi.

1427
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:14,720
>> Mayor Sten,

1428
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:17,200
>> I uh thank you. Thank you. And then last

1429
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:18,960
uh last before we go into executive

1430
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,400
session, we've got a resolution

1431
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,160
approving the submitt and acceptance of

1432
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,240
a grant application for a new ATRV.

1433
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:28,720
>> Resolution number 54-26, resolution

1434
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:30,400
approving submission of an acceptance if

1435
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,000
awarded of a grant under the Kentucky

1436
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,520
Office of Homeland Security, state

1437
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,520
homeland security grant program for an

1438
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,599
armored tactical response vehicle in the

1439
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:39,520
estimated total project amount of

1440
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,000
$371,950.

1441
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,319
>> Thank you. Can we mot?

1442
00:55:44,319 --> 00:55:44,960
>> So moved.

1443
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,359
>> We have a second. Second, there's time

1444
00:55:47,359 --> 00:55:48,480
I'll have Chief come.

1445
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:49,760
>> Yeah, absolutely. Uh Chief, do you mind

1446
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,230
to come to

1447
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:55,760
Commissioner Puit has a question for you

1448
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,880
>> real quick? Um the price that we can get

1449
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,119
this grant and the price uh it seems

1450
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:03,280
affordable, but I just want to relay

1451
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,079
this to you so that everybody watching

1452
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:09,440
would understand. Evansville is one

1453
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,920
beast. When it comes to crime, Hamilton

1454
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,000
is a different beast. I don't want to

1455
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,920
see this vehicle pull up every time we

1456
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,040
see policemen in a neighborhood. One

1457
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,920
reason why I don't want our people to be

1458
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,119
intimidated by military style stuff.

1459
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:27,920
>> So, one thing I could say is I was the

1460
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,200
chief in Evansville when we bought

1461
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,319
theirs and we did a very conscious roll

1462
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:34,880
out of it and we took it to community

1463
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,280
events everywhere. Um, like a couple

1464
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:38,799
weeks ago we went to the summer sizzler

1465
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:40,160
and fire department had the fire truck

1466
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,480
out shooting water. I would foresee us

1467
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,640
taking this to events like that, letting

1468
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,160
kids get in it, letting them see the

1469
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,799
inside of it, see what it is. These are

1470
00:56:48,799 --> 00:56:51,440
not like where there's guns mounted at.

1471
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:52,880
You went toward the one with me, so

1472
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:53,760
you've seen them.

1473
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,359
>> They're a defensive tool. They're not an

1474
00:56:55,359 --> 00:56:57,280
offensive tool. They're to keep our

1475
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,599
officers safe and to protect them. And

1476
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:01,760
furthermore, if, god forbid, we have a

1477
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,920
citizen gets shot or they're down

1478
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,440
somewhere, we have an active shooter, a

1479
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,000
bank robbery, a, you know, any kind of

1480
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,920
community event, if they're down and

1481
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,359
there's still shooting going on, we

1482
00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:12,720
don't have a way today to get to them

1483
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:14,480
and get them out of there. With a

1484
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,079
vehicle like this, we could pull up,

1485
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:17,440
protect our officers, our first

1486
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,440
responders, and get somebody out of

1487
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,319
harm's way. So, it's a a defensive tool,

1488
00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:24,640
and we would educate the community on it

1489
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,599
by taking it out, let them be in it. Um,

1490
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:28,880
one of the things Henderson's been

1491
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,559
involved with for years is the 911 gives

1492
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:32,559
hope for the holidays toy drive. A lot

1493
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:34,319
of time we get bicycles and stuff that

1494
00:57:34,319 --> 00:57:36,880
we can't give out like in a hospital. We

1495
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,799
would take the Bearcat, fill it up with

1496
00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:41,280
bicycles and we'd get a Santa Claus and

1497
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,599
we'd go around and just randomly find

1498
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:45,920
kids and just have a Santa Claus hop out

1499
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,119
and give them bicycles out of the back

1500
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:51,280
of the Bearcats. So things like that we could do to build trust and for

1501
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,880
the community to see that it's not a

1502
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,480
tool that they need to be afraid of, but

1503
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,000
something that's going to help them. And

1504
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,920
I think all that's great, but what I was

1505
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,599
trying to get across was

1506
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:00,960
>> it we're not going to be using it for

1507
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,760
everyone. Now, it it would be only if we

1508
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,559
have high risk warrants or things. I

1509
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:08,720
mean, you may once a month see us using

1510
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,319
it, something like that.

1511
00:58:10,319 --> 00:58:12,160
>> Um, but it's not going to be all the

1512
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,400
time, but we do have needs for it in

1513
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,160
Henderson. And I think our number one

1514
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:17,440
priority should be keeping our first

1515
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,520
responders safe so they can help our

1516
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,760
people, and this would do that.

1517
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,280
>> Okay.

1518
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:24,880
Any other questions? No. Does anybody

1519
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,559
else have any questions for Chief Bolan?

1520
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:29,200
We we had this discussion a while ago uh

1521
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,040
you know and and the first time this

1522
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,760
came to us it was it was costly and and

1523
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,839
we said if you find a way to make it

1524
00:58:35,839 --> 00:58:38,720
less costly uh and more affordable then

1525
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,079
uh then we could find a way to support

1526
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:42,880
it and you found a way and so we don't

1527
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,559
have the grant yet. I'm not overly

1528
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:45,920
optimistic we get it but

1529
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,680
>> yeah potentially found a way. There we

1530
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,359
go. Yeah. And so what we're doing here

1531
00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:51,599
is we would just be voting on you to be

1532
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:53,359
able to apply for a grant that would pay

1533
00:58:53,359 --> 00:58:55,280
for half of it. And if we apply for the

1534
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:56,559
grant that pays for half of it, we're

1535
00:58:56,559 --> 00:58:57,920
basically committing that we'll pay for

1536
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,920
the other half if we get the grant.

1537
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:02,720
>> Uh and so for a $370,000 vehicle, it'll

1538
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,440
pay $185,000ish. I'm rounding. Uh and

1539
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,000
then we would owe the other 185,000.

1540
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,720
>> Um so everybody good? Everybody any have

1541
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,799
any other questions, concerns?

1542
00:59:12,799 --> 00:59:14,559
>> Thank you, Chief. Whoever roll, please.

1543
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:15,920
>> Commissioner Puit.

1544
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:16,480
>> Hi.

1545
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,079
>> Commissioner Hargus. Hi. Commissioner

1546
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:18,480
Thomas.

1547
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:18,880
>> Hi,

1548
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:19,520
>> Mayor Stton.

1549
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:20,240
>> Hi.

1550
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:21,440
>> Uh, do we have any mayor?

1551
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:21,920
>> Yes, sir.

1552
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:22,720
>> Somebody's back there.

1553
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,480
>> I'm sorry. What?

1554
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,280
>> Oh, speak. Is that all right if I come

1555
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:28,160
up and say something?

1556
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:29,520
>> You are Well, yeah. Anytime. Yeah,

1557
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:29,839
please.

1558
00:59:29,839 --> 00:59:31,040
>> And I'm not a speaker and I don't like

1559
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:31,599
you in this.

1560
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:33,119
>> You are welcome to come up and speak.

1561
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:34,240
Yes, ma'am.

1562
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,319
>> Back to the clutter.

1563
00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:39,680
>> S I'm Susan Big 2 48 Old Nook Road. I'm

1564
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,920
in the county, but this is my city. I

1565
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,000
grew up in the city.

1566
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,119
the clutter. It's far beyond bicycles

1567
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:51,200
and covered up firewood. My gosh, it's

1568
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,599
cars that are parked that haven't been

1569
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:56,720
work working for years. Porches that you

1570
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,400
can't even get to the front door. I have

1571
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,559
one in frontier behind where I used to

1572
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:01,886
live. That is unbelievable.

1573
01:00:01,886 --> 01:00:04,309
[clears throat]

1574
01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:06,319
» It's so much more than that petty little

1575
01:00:06,319 --> 01:00:07,839
things you are talking about. It's the

1576
01:00:07,839 --> 01:00:09,440
major things. And I don't understand why

1577
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,680
the codes department

1578
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,760
can't make

1579
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,440
time

1580
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,000
two days a week to go to different areas

1581
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,359
in the city to find places to not

1582
01:00:21,359 --> 01:00:23,599
necessarily site them but call attention

1583
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:26,559
to it. Ask if they need help. They may

1584
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:28,480
be so overwhelmed by it and may have

1585
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,079
been left by a family member they become

1586
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:34,160
ill. You know, is there funds to help

1587
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,480
people like that to get rid of the mess?

1588
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,520
But it's these cars and boats and things

1589
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,200
that take up so much room. It's not

1590
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,319
firewood and bicycles that are so bad.

1591
01:00:44,319 --> 01:00:46,079
It's yards that are growing up over top

1592
01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:49,119
of cars, grass. I mean, stuff like that

1593
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:51,839
in my eyes and I see it. But another

1594
01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:54,079
thing is what bothers me is you we

1595
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:55,680
really have the nerve to say anything

1596
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,079
about private properties when look at

1597
01:00:58,079 --> 01:00:59,680
Henderson City. When you come in across

1598
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,119
the bridge, I can't talk. I get so

1599
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:02,319
nervous. I'm sorry.

1600
01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:03,599
>> You're okay. do.

1601
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:07,520
>> But the curbs that are grown over

1602
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,160
um drains that are covered up with grass

1603
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,400
and stuff like that. I had friends that

1604
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,160
we met at the Front Follies came to

1605
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,200
town. They were amazed how they said

1606
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,440
nasty and it is. I mean, you're worried

1607
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,280
about downtown Henderson and they're

1608
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:22,960
trying to help different areas. The East

1609
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,480
End, I was raised in East 10. That's

1610
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:25,599
right.

1611
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:27,359
>> But I mean, look at the curbs. The

1612
01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:29,200
yellow on the curbs aren't marked in

1613
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,359
most places. roads are tore up like

1614
01:01:31,359 --> 01:01:32,880
behind Thornton's [clears throat] by

1615
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,200
Applebees and that's private property I

1616
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,839
imagine but there's this deep holes

1617
01:01:37,839 --> 01:01:38,640
right there.

1618
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:39,040
>> Yeah.

1619
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,599
>> Make those people responsible. Make

1620
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:45,040
companies responsible like by Palmer's

1621
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,119
um the bank next to Palmer's.

1622
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:47,839
>> Mhm.

1623
01:01:47,839 --> 01:01:50,079
>> And then that building that used to be a

1624
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:52,640
store and then they still got a

1625
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,480
billboard going across the thing. Weeds

1626
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,720
are this tall growing out there. people

1627
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,160
that own that property should be

1628
01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:59,760
responsible and have that stuff taken

1629
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,839
care of. We had just been to Jasper

1630
01:02:01,839 --> 01:02:03,440
recently and I don't know if it's the

1631
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,200
ordinance that they make people that own

1632
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,200
a business that their curbs are taken

1633
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,280
care of or what. I'm sorry I can't talk.

1634
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,599
I'm getting so but you understand where

1635
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:13,359
I'm coming from. It is so much more than

1636
01:02:13,359 --> 01:02:16,480
this petty little stuff about firewood.

1637
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,160
Anyway, I just had to say my piece.

1638
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:19,440
>> Can Can you stay Can you stay up there

1639
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:20,400
for a second?

1640
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:21,839
>> Uh so I wanted to address a couple of

1641
01:02:21,839 --> 01:02:23,359
things that that you said. Uh so first

1642
01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:24,559
of all, thank you for coming and

1643
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:26,480
speaking and and you're not wrong about

1644
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,880
a lot of things you said. Uh when you

1645
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,200
come into town, uh it's a state road and

1646
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:32,880
then it's the county until you get to

1647
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,079
the city limits and and uh uh along the

1648
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:37,680
state road, the state maintenance

1649
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,440
schedule changed in our last governor

1650
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,160
administration uh where they don't mle

1651
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,319
uh but half the time that they used to.

1652
01:02:44,319 --> 01:02:46,480
Uh and so I I totally agree with you. I

1653
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,880
think it looks bad. Uh when you when you go up and down the

1654
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:52,640
roads like that on private property,

1655
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,559
it's a little bit difficult. The uh one

1656
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:55,520
of the things that we've talked about

1657
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,280
lately that I've talked about lately, uh

1658
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:58,880
I don't use the word I very often, but I

1659
01:02:58,880 --> 01:02:59,920
don't want to corner the rest of the

1660
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:02,480
commission. Um the uh with the codes

1661
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:03,920
department is I'd like to see us add an

1662
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,319
extra code inspector. Uh we we've

1663
01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:10,640
operated a certain way for years, and I personally feel like that department

1664
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,200
is understaffed. Uh, and so if we can

1665
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,039
get out of this within the next couple

1666
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:16,480
of months by posting another code

1667
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,160
inspector position and having that

1668
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:19,599
there, I think that we'll be able to do

1669
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:20,799
some of the things that you're talking

1670
01:03:20,799 --> 01:03:21,280
about.

1671
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,200
>> I mean, I I drive we drive around town

1672
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:24,559
all the time and I could write down a

1673
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:26,799
list, just go five blocks and find

1674
01:03:26,799 --> 01:03:28,000
several, you know.

1675
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:28,319
>> Sure.

1676
01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:30,319
>> And but it's not just the county road or

1677
01:03:30,319 --> 01:03:32,160
the state roads or things like the pine

1678
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:33,520
room, the old pine room is still

1679
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,200
standing. Things that are just old and

1680
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:36,720
needs to be torn down and things

1681
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,000
revived.

1682
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,000
>> I would be more worried about all that

1683
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:41,920
than

1684
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:42,720
the rest.

1685
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,000
>> Yes, ma'am.

1686
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,359
>> Well, thank you so much for coming and

1687
01:03:45,359 --> 01:03:50,950
talking to us. We appreciate it.

1688
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,520
» All right. And we've got uh uh we've got

1689
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,440
an executive session. Before we do that,

1690
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:56,799
I want to see if any commissioners have

1691
01:03:56,799 --> 01:03:57,839
any comments before we go. [laughter]

1692
01:03:57,839 --> 01:03:58,799
Commissioner Thomas, do you have

1693
01:03:58,799 --> 01:03:59,920
anything today?

1694
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:01,520
>> Song writers festival this week.

1695
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,240
>> It is. And bluegrass festival next week.

1696
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:05,440
>> Yeah. Back to back.

1697
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:06,960
>> Uh songary festival starts tomorrow,

1698
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:07,839
right?

1699
01:04:07,839 --> 01:04:09,839
>> There we go. Commissioner Prit. No,

1700
01:04:09,839 --> 01:04:11,520
>> I just want to thank the lady for coming

1701
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,720
up speaking. Uh, this is your house.

1702
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,599
Like I I tell everybody, taxpayers, this

1703
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:20,640
is your government. We work for you. If

1704
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,240
there's something's wrong, you see cars

1705
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,319
all over the place, come tell us. That

1706
01:04:24,319 --> 01:04:26,079
way we can get it fixed for you. We work

1707
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:27,280
for you. That's all.

1708
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,039
>> That's a good point and it's accurate.

1709
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:30,880
Commissioner Argus.

1710
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,440
>> Oh, I'm I'm hoping this will help some

1711
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:34,720
of that. So,

1712
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:35,440
>> I I do too.

1713
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:36,400
>> A little bit at a time.

1714
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,079
>> I do too. this and maybe a little bit of

1715
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:40,400
restructuring of the department. I I uh

1716
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:41,920
but we hear you. You know, there there

1717
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:43,119
are always things that we can do better

1718
01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:44,880
and and we want to do better also. So,

1719
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:46,079
thank you guys for coming and talking to

1720
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:46,480
us.

1721
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,079
>> Well, I want to make one,

1722
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:50,319
>> Steve. I've never heard one bad

1723
01:04:50,319 --> 01:04:52,400
complaint about our codes department is

1724
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,799
being overly aggressive or anything. So,

1725
01:04:54,799 --> 01:04:56,799
kudos to you.

1726
01:04:56,799 --> 01:04:58,319
>> Good deal.

1727
01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:00,319
>> And we have need for executive session.

1728
01:05:00,319 --> 01:05:01,760
And just to just to remind everybody,

1729
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,119
we're going to go into executive

1730
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:05,760
session. And then once we do, this is uh

1731
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:06,720
this is where we're going to have the

1732
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:07,920
discussion on who we are going to

1733
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,000
appoint uh to replace the commissioner

1734
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,640
who left us. Uh and so we're going to

1735
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,319
executive session to do that and we will

1736
01:05:14,319 --> 01:05:17,760
be coming back with action. Uh yes, sir.

1737
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:19,200
>> Could I state just one thing real

1738
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:20,319
quickly, Mr. Mayor?

1739
01:05:20,319 --> 01:05:22,000
>> Uh if if you would like. Yes.

1740
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,839
>> Very quick.

1741
01:05:23,839 --> 01:05:25,039
>> Tom Davis.

1742
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:26,880
>> First of all, I appreciate the approval

1743
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,119
of the resolution earlier this evening

1744
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:31,599
for the barge dock for the PT boat. It's

1745
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:33,599
going to be such an important part of

1746
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:36,640
our uh veterans park down on the

1747
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,200
riverfront. But I also want to commend

1748
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,839
city staff. And folks, if you haven't

1749
01:05:41,839 --> 01:05:44,319
seen it, there is a video out that the

1750
01:05:44,319 --> 01:05:46,960
city has put together for our parks

1751
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,440
program for the coming that's in

1752
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,359
progress right now that the commission

1753
01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:53,440
just approved. And a large part of that

1754
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,640
is our veterans memorial park. And I

1755
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,559
just want to thank the staff that put

1756
01:05:58,559 --> 01:06:02,880
that together because it is a it's an A1

1757
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:06,079
job and thank you very much for that uh

1758
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:08,880
helping us get another step forward on

1759
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,559
this parks project. Thank you.

1760
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:12,160
>> You are welcome. Happy happy to do it.

1761
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:17,190
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. [applause]

1762
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:18,640
» All right. Thank you guys. And with

1763
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,160
that, we'll entertain a motion to go

1764
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:21,760
into executive session. I move the

1765
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,520
commission go into executive session

1766
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,480
pursuant to KS 61.8

1767
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,400
subsection C discussion of pending

1768
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,160
litigation against the city in pursuant

1769
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,960
to KRS 6.8

1770
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,520
subsection F discussion that may lead to

1771
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:36,880
the appointment of an individual

1772
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:38,880
employee or member. Do

1773
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:39,839
>> we have a second?

1774
01:06:39,839 --> 01:06:40,559
>> Second.

1775
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:41,920
>> All in favor? I.

1776
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,760
>> I. We are going to stay here for the

1777
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,119
executive session. Thank you God.