[0:04] meeting is being videotaped.
Let's bring the meeting to order. Let's
[0:10] do the pledge of
>> allegiance please
[0:19] to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for it
[0:24] stands one nation under God indivisible
with liberty and justice for all
[0:38] to speak out on an agenda. items only.
[0:48] » Everybody a motion to approve June
meeting minutes.
[0:54] » July
>> July
[0:56] » or July, I'm sorry. July.
[clears throat] I make a motion to
[1:00] approve them.
>> I'll second it.
[1:03] » All in favor?
>> Yes.
[1:06] » Yes. It's approved unanimously.
[1:12] » A motion to approve any and all invoices
received by township treasur for the
[1:17] month of July
2026.
[1:23] » Is there a motion for that?
>> I'll make a motion.
[1:25] » Is there a second?
>> I'll second it.
[1:28] » All in favor?
>> Yes. Yes.
[1:34] » I'm not going to agree. something I
can't see.
[1:38] » Okay. Well, it's approved.
[1:48] » Old business grant update. Say it pen
and harshman.
[1:54] » You want us
speaking on that?
[1:58] » I've been working on grants again.
And this is the young lady from
[2:04] Hartsman's group.
and she's been trying pretty hard. We
[2:08] got a grant going in for My Fire's
Bridge. Uh there was a fire back here
[2:14] over the winter time, I believe it was.
And the fire department said that they
[2:20] didn't trust the bridge with their fire
trucks going across it. So, we have
[2:25] looking at it. We're applying for a
grant to get that bridge replaced or
[2:31] repaired or whatever it may need.
I also been talking to Fate Pen, which
[2:36] is another grant writer, because I feel
as many grants as I can get for our
[2:41] township is what my job was to do when I
come here. So, I'm talking to them. I'm
[2:47] going to continue pushing over here. We
are trying to find some money to build a
[2:52] salt shed. We really need to get the
salt out of our building. We got some
[2:56] roofs that need worked on,
but grants only go so fast. So,
[3:03] That's about the best I got on that.
>> I think we ought to hire an inspector to
[3:09] inspect that bridge down there before
there's any money spent for a bridge.
[3:20] » Yeah, it's off the dark road.
>> We like to call in on the grant
[3:25] situation. We got to wait till the end.
>> No, you can you can call
[3:29] [clears throat] back in November when I
was up here and talked to you. After the
[3:33] first year, you're going to work on
grants for Tailoo. What's up with that?
[3:37] » I've had the people all over every road
and they tell me the only project that
[3:43] they got right now that they can help me
with is Myers Bridge.
[3:48] » And why is that?
>> Because the other one, Taylor Road, is
[3:52] supposed to be maintenance. They said,
>> "Well, how did they fix all the other
[3:57] grants for
>> I didn't know they got grants for all?"
[4:01] » Well, they spent
ungodly weeks and months down there at
[4:08] Ramat a couple years ago.
>> Oh, yeah. They got that and that put a
[4:13] big sore thumb in with the conservity.
We were very lucky to get them to come
[4:17] back and help us with the Beaver Creek
project because they that
[4:23] » went terribly wrong down there. They
misspent the money. They misdone the
[4:27] work. They ended up we ended up getting
$110,000 fine on our liquid fuels from
[4:32] the way they misspent the money. So, the
conservity did not want to come back in
[4:36] and help us with any roads. This Beaver
Creek project is going to be an
[4:40] important project. If it goes smoothly,
I think we can get the conservity to
[4:45] work with us again. If it doesn't go
smoothly and we get people in there
[4:49] that's trying to tell the conservity
what to do, we're going to be in
[4:53] trouble. The conservity is the one that
has the money. They're the ones paying
[4:57] for it. We got to do what they tell us
to do.
[5:01] I mean, if anybody knows anything about
Ramat and Fire Tower Bridge, they know
[5:08] for years that that bridge was default.
It's still in default. They're still
[5:12] being bought for.
[5:16] » So, in other words, there's no chance of
that.
[5:19] » I'm not saying there's no chance. I work
every month chasing grants. So, I'm not
[5:25] saying there's no chance. I I'm on the
road a lot in a month's time for the
[5:30] township trying to find money for the
township.
[5:36] I don't know what anybody else is doing,
but I know I do it and I personally do
[5:40] it. I personally pay for the gas. I
personally pay for the car. I personally
[5:44] pay for everything. I take nothing to
try to get to the township.
[5:50] That's all I do.
>> You're still looking for that money
[5:53] tree,
>> huh?
[5:54] » You're still looking for that money
tree.
[5:56] » I'm looking for the money tree.
>> No, it's not out. Well, I guess it could
[6:01] be out there, but it's not my backyard.
>> Don't mud pipe. [laughter]
[6:07] » But I am after grants. I do take them up
there because Taylor Hill, there's three
[6:13] or four hills in my opinion that need
addressed and needs fixed somehow.
[6:17] » Well, right now our road fixer is
Robson. He bought a piece of equipment.
[6:23] He runs up and down that hill.
>> It's like, you know,
[6:29] » like a super highway.
>> Yeah.
[6:32] » Not so much.
>> He does a good job.
[6:35] » He's a fanatical.
>> You do a good job, too.
[6:39] Thank you.
>> You walk the walk. Any other questions
[6:43] on the grants?
[6:47] » Beaver Creek project.
It was delayed from Monday to
[6:55] I think Thursday.
>> Was it
[6:59] » the 6th or 7th?
>> They didn't know. The bridge crew still
[7:02] had to get their machines up. So that's
what it was between the bridge crew and
[7:07] conservity when they were having it
delivered and last time I count.
[7:12] » Yeah. Bridge. So on the
>> So the county's doing the bridge for
[7:15] free. They're doing the labor for free.
>> So we've talked the bridge crew in to do
[7:21] the labor for free. The conservatives
giving us the money. So hopefully this
[7:25] project goes real smooth. So next time
we need money maybe for Taylor Road or
[7:30] another road, the conservity will look
at us again and take us seriously.
[7:35] » So on that project I timed it. I went 35
miles an hour. It takes you an extra
[7:40] minute and a half to go 30 35 miles an
hour down there. I hope that we tell the
[7:45] trucks as much as possible, stay in the
middle of that road because we're going
[7:49] to destroy. There's no burns at all.
There's 6 in of drop off. If my car goes
[7:55] off and I ruin the hole underneath,
that's how bad that road is right now.
[7:59] So if these trucks hold out of weights
running the side of the road, you're
[8:04] going to have another problem fixing the
road. So if we can talk to the trucking
[8:09] companies to try and go slow, it only
takes an extra couple minutes
[8:14] and run the middle of the road.
I don't know how many trucks will be
[8:18] coming in and out right now. I mean, the
bridge is going to be delivered and it
[8:22] has to be put together.
Then I'm sure after that there'll be
[8:26] trucks either of stone or concrete or
something, but I don't know.
[8:30] » Well, what's a triacial haul? 30 ton.
>> That's a lot of weight. When you got a 6
[8:36] in drop off and you're right along the
edge of the road,
[8:41] the road's still in decent shape. I hate
to see it.
[8:47] » I will try to voice an opinion to the
truck driver.
[8:52] Any other questions on the Beaver Creek
project
[8:57] torn chipping of roads?
>> Got delayed too.
[9:02] » That was supposed to start Monday, but
it was supposed to rain all this week. I
[9:05] think they delayed it also.
>> They got tied up. I like to tell you
[9:11] county somewhere up there. So, they're
tied up today because of the weather.
[9:18] Now they're talking possibly Wednesday
or Thursday. I don't It rained again
[9:23] yesterday and today so
back up any further
[9:31] » purchaser from Cory Kquet.
>> That was during your special meeting for
[9:37] the opening of that.
>> Yes.
[9:40] » Was that last week?
>> Friday.
[9:45] » It's about time. It's only years later.
[9:56] » Uh, Bradic, Flat Rock, Clover Top, and
uh,
[10:08] » you if you want to.
[10:12] » We can put you on.
[10:17] New business
>> resolution for Mars
[10:22] Road bridge. I think we went over that.
>> Is there a motion to approve the
[10:27] resolution?
[10:34] » Make a motion.
>> I'll make a motion to approve.
[10:37] » Is there a second?
>> I'll second.
[10:40] » All in favor?
>> Yes.
[10:43] » Yes. It's a grant. I mean, how can you
go wrong?
[10:48] » It carries.
[10:51] » Letter from health department violation
smoking
[10:56] must been made.
[11:04] 2026 FC
ATS Conservation September 10th and 11th
[11:11] Faget County Fairgrounds.
That's the convention that they have
[11:16] every year.
[11:26] A motion to approve
to pay bills and payroll checks as
[11:32] electronic format versus paper.
>> I'll second.
[11:39] » Oh, Rob, did you make the motion?
>> Make a motion.
[11:41] » Okay. Seconded by Larry. All in favor?
>> Yes.
[11:47] » All that does is just
move this up in the modern times.
[11:52] Instead of sending out checks by mail,
if we can pay it AC or whatever, we do
[11:58] it that way. You save whatever a stamp
cost now. Stamp and envel each adds up.
[12:06] Make a motion to approve
building permit administration fees.
[12:13] » Yeah. So the the purpose of that is we
already have a building permit fee that
[12:18] it already exists on the books and um
sometimes there are legal fees questions
[12:24] about the property building code um or
something that involves my time or Sue's
[12:33] time um and that's all administrative
work. And so what this would be would be
[12:39] um uh since we're since Harshman's
already collecting um that permit fee,
[12:46] we would be collecting a very small um
10%age of that fee. It would come to us
[12:52] directly. That's it%
>> of the original fee.
[12:55] » Uhhuh. That's it.
>> So we're not raising this and
[13:02] at this point we got so many people out
of violation. How do we
[13:06] tell anybody they have to buy a building
>> because we have a building permit
[13:11] ordinance already,
>> right? But what do we do with the people
[13:13] in violation?
>> That's up to the building code inspector
[13:18] to go out and say you're not in
violation or you are or you're not in
[13:22] violation.
All this does is help pay for Sue's time
[13:26] and because the full fee would go to
Harshman. We would we're not collecting
[13:32] anything from that right now. So they're
only collecting a small portion of that
[13:37] » and it does not raise any fees to
anybody
[13:41] » and Harshman's willing to release 10% to
us
[13:48] » for no for so they're going to take 10%
off what they make
[13:55] » done with that.
>> Yep. Is there a motion for that?
[14:00] » I made a motion to approve it. Is there
a second?
[14:05] » Agree.
>> So Steve seconds it all in favor.
[14:09] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[14:12] » It passes.
[14:17] » Make a motion to approve amendments to
trash ordinance.
[14:23] » So um I I know we were talking about and
and we're not ready to readvertise this
[14:28] yet, but I know we were talking about a
couple of different things that we
[14:32] wouldn't include in it. And I know Rob,
you had a question about um to be able
[14:38] to
essentially charge some sort of a late
[14:41] fee and then be able to take them to the
map. And I think looking at other
[14:47] municipalities that have a trash
ordinance that they actually collect on,
[14:52] it would be something like if you're
late, it would be $20 for that month
[14:58] plus an extra 2% on that invoice going
forward. So that's that's pretty
[15:04] customary because then you actually have
some way of, you know, saying, "Hey,
[15:08] look, you're you're in acrewing a
penalty here if you're not going to be
[15:12] paying on time." So that's a pretty
standard rate. And I wanted to see if
[15:15] that's something that the majority of
the supervisors would would approve for
[15:20] me to put in there. And then I know that
there were some questions about whether
[15:25] an apartment building has um multiple
tenants. if a dumpster was sufficient
[15:32] for the whole building or whether each
individual needed to be paying.
[15:37] » Each individual needs to be paying.
>> Yes, they do.
[15:40] » So, I'm I need to get
>> So, each business and resident. So,
[15:44] you're going to you got to pay for your
business and your residential state.
[15:48] » Buy,
>> huh? No, you're not combined. Oh, yeah.
[15:50] » Because an apartment building wouldn't
be on.
[15:53] » I'm not going to argue with you.
>> Yeah. Because you go to a restaurant or
[15:56] any kind of food place or any kind of
gas station has dumpsters. So they would
[16:01] pay for a dumpster fee. You're just
trying to make somebody pay for a
[16:05] dumpster fee that has an apartment.
>> And you won't want to pay residential
[16:09] and your business.
>> I don't bring any trash here from my
[16:12] business. It's it's from my house.
Period.
[16:14] » You got to have trash from your business
here.
[16:19] » I I don't agree with that.
>> So I'm I'm trying to get I'm just trying
[16:23] to consensus on what you guys want to do
about that. I know that has been talked
[16:28] about previously
um as to what we were doing with it.
[16:32] Municipalities do it differently. So,
you guys tell me.
[16:35] » I thought the biggest concern was
somebody I think it was the couple the
[16:40] supervisor before read in there or
something and everybody was all upset
[16:45] about that.
>> Well, that's true. That's true. But I
[16:48] wanted it was it was actually unclear in
the ordinance as to whether a if you
[16:54] owned an apartment building or you owned
something that was multiple like if you
[16:59] had some sort of a business that also
had tenants upstairs or something who
[17:03] had to pay whether it was one account or
was it multiple accounts?
[17:07] » Multiple accounts. All tenants need to
pay.
[17:10] » It'd be the same thing with the business
and their
[17:12] » whatever. But we ain't going to like
your apartment buildings. You're not
[17:16] going to set a dumpster there and you
collect all the tendants money and you
[17:20] pay for a dumpster.
>> Same way that like Greg Upole down
[17:23] there, he can't do it with his apartment
buildings. The same [clears throat]
[17:26] thing with his plaza. He would have to
pay separately.
[17:28] » Everybody needs to pay a garbage bill.
>> So, that's what you're saying then,
[17:31] right?
>> Yep. Every time.
[17:34] » All right. So, I'm going to present
those changes to you guys for the next
[17:39] » I don't know if I agree with those
changes. I think the public needs to see
[17:43] those changes because
like I said, now you're talking you got
[17:47] all these places that has dumpsters that
can't have dumpsters anymore.
[17:52] » Okay. [snorts] Well, I got to take
guidance from you guys. So, you tell me
[17:55] what you want to do.
>> I think the public should have an
[17:59] opinion on that.
>> What do you people think? All tenants
[18:03] ought to pay or just one
>> I think everybody should pay.
[18:07] » Everybody has garbage. Let's face it. Is
this going to make a difference as far
[18:10] as the dump uh the garbage part of the
business making some money where we can
[18:15] just hire a crew for garbage and and now
because you guys only work four days.
[18:20] You got two days in garbage. That's two
days on the roads. And I think our roads
[18:24] need more than just two days. I mean,
don't you guys agree?
[18:28] » You're wasting two days on you also got
to put on there, David, if you're doing
[18:32] that changing the rules, they have to
buy the contracts out of the people's
[18:36] contracted out.
I have a contract on my dumpster and I
[18:40] was told to do that by the previous
supervisors.
[18:43] » Okay.
>> So, I I followed the rules. If we want
[18:46] to change the rules, the township should
be responsible for buying out the
[18:50] contract.
>> But you could have a dumpster there and
[18:51] steal all tendants paying.
>> They just put a garbage in the dumpster,
[18:55] right?
>> That's what Danny Bird does. Danny Bird
[19:00] Danny Bird here today.
>> Danny, your tenants pay to put their
[19:04] garbage in your dumpster, right?
>> Yes, he do.
[19:07] » Okay. Each account pays the township or
they pay
[19:11] » each account pays.
>> So do you pay for a dumpster or each
[19:14] account?
>> I pay for each account.
[19:17] » I pay for each account.
>> Go ahead, Michelle.
[19:21] » I just have a question. How do you even
begin to track tenants of apartment
[19:29] complexes to be able to charge them? And
I'm just thinking like even when you're
[19:34] thinking per capita tax tenant who lives
in an apartment should pay a per capita
[19:41] tax, they should pay it. It's for the
privilege of living in Fyet County or in
[19:47] Uniontown school district. We don't have
one. It's a township. But how do you
[19:51] even begin to know who all resides where
is the
[19:56] property owner to furnish the names of
the tenants or the property owner
[20:01] collecting that? Like Dan just said, I I
was just trying to understand it.
[20:07] Trash is leanable to the property owner.
Trash is never leanable to the landlord
[20:13] or
>> to the tenant.
[20:14] » To the tenant.
>> It's always leanable to the landlord.
[20:18] Water is always leanable to the property
owner.
[20:22] Trash, water, and if you got public
sewage, public sewage.
[20:29] Electric and cable, that's the tenants
problem.
[20:40] Basically
[20:43] back out
[20:49] of the city
[20:55] wants the
property wants to be responsible for
[21:00] attendance water bill or sewer bill.
[21:18] We're going on to the next one.
[21:24] » Motion to approve to give Keith Myra an
old girl that is in the woods.
[21:30] [laughter]
[21:34] The one guy who works here wants an old
barrel that's in the roads. So
[21:39] we we had problems with stuff coming up
missing. Scrap being taken, this being
[21:44] taken. Nothing should be taken out of
this township unless all three
[21:48] supervisors know and on it or anything.
No scrap, no tires, no no nothing.
[21:54] Nothing should go out of here. If he
wants an old blue barrel that's probably
[21:58] going to cost us money to get rid of, I
don't have any problems with that. that
[22:01] I think all three of us should know.
>> I say give it to
[22:08] » Okay. So, is there a motion to give this
barrel to
[22:12] » Is it just a 55gallon barrel or what is
it?
[22:16] » Do you have any idea?
>> It's just a blue plastic
[22:20] » junk.
I make a motion to give it to I'll
[22:25] second it.
>> All in favor?
[22:27] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[22:29] » No, carries.
Miss Engineer, you get to talk.
[22:33] » Oh, no.
>> Here's the problem. I'm not an engineer.
[22:38] [laughter]
>> It's okay then. You're you're redundant,
[22:40] right?
>> Um I brought this engineers report on
[22:44] behalf of Jamie. He's on vacation this
week. Much deserved.
[22:48] » Um
>> I can't truly speak to many of these
[22:52] items, but um I know like the Beaver
Creek um project was on there and we
[22:56] received that email update which you all
were aware of. um code enforcement
[23:00] zoning. Brandy sent an individual update
as well for you all to go through if you
[23:05] want me to read it aloud. I'm okay.
[laughter]
[23:09] » Um the multimodal grant which um we are
working on was already you approved the
[23:14] resolution tonight. That's the grant for
MyersBridge. Um engineer Rich Rick Rich
[23:20] Rush came out and looked at it and
recommended that was a project that was
[23:24] most likely to be funded through this
program. Um, so that's the one that we
[23:28] recommended you go for. Um, I did want
to speak of as the grant writer planner
[23:32] at Harshman. Um, I know that you all
were uh interested in looking at your
[23:36] salo and zoning and kind of
comprehensive plan update.
[23:41] » I didn't
um I did want to bring you all to your
[23:44] attention. So, I've been talking with
Stephanie at DCED who's in charge of the
[23:48] MAP program. Um, apparently you have an
outstanding grant for um a MAP program
[23:54] grant. So, this would be to help with
your zoning and code. Um,
[23:57] » we've been trying for a couple years to
get that.
[24:00] » We have an outstanding like we actually
received money.
[24:02] » No, no, no. The grant is pending. We're
waiting to
[24:05] » So, we have to wait and see.
>> Yes.
[24:07] » Okay. The in talking with Stephanie, we
have a pretty good relationship. Um,
[24:11] unfortunately, because no match was um
provided, she's not very optimistic that
[24:16] it'll get approved this round, but does
think that it's a very good project that
[24:20] we should continue pursuing. um
September 1st is the next deadline for
[24:24] this program and she says that with um
you know with a match commitment that
[24:30] would be very competitive. The other
option to pursue um funding or in this
[24:36] case it's technical assistance through
the state to get some of your zoning and
[24:40] comprehensive plan or uh zoning and
sawdo stuff updated would be through a
[24:44] technical assistance program where they
actually give you something like 500
[24:49] free hours to help you work through that
process. It does take some buyin
[24:53] obviously from the municipality and
ultimately will need um help enlisted
[24:58] from the solicitor or from your code and
zoning officer to get that over the
[25:01] finish line. They won't actually write
the code for you. But those are two
[25:05] really valid programs that the state is
really interested in seeing you put in
[25:09] an application for or another
application for and kind of pursuing. Um
[25:13] I have Stephanie at the uh state ready
to talk with you guys if you're
[25:17] interested in sitting down and kind of
learning about the difference between
[25:19] the two um and figing out which is the
best option for you guys to um move
[25:25] forward. There's multiple opportunities
every year for both of these programs.
[25:28] So, it's not like one and done. Um
there's another opportunity in April if
[25:32] you want to work with her through the
process a little more in depth.
[25:37] Um all the inactive and pending projects
I think are pretty much the same. I know
[25:41] Rich came out and looked at some other
road projects that we're going to
[25:44] recommend you probably submit to DGBR um
once the Beaver Creek project is over.
[25:50] And so, um, we kind of have a bunch of
projects on your wish list from, um,
[25:54] Rich being able to get out here and see.
And, um, we're going to recommend the
[25:59] best funding source that we believe for
each of those projects as they keep
[26:02] coming up. And,
>> and the DGL program is one of the
[26:06] programs for Taylor Road possible if we
can get it to go through. But,
[26:11] » I was just wondering because it's been
like eight or nine months, I've heard
[26:13] nothing.
>> Well, we got to make sure that Beaver
[26:17] Creek goes smooth.
and we can't we can't submit another one
[26:22] until we've completed this program and
it's just taking quite some time to get
[26:28] done just is
>> and the DJVR program through the um
[26:34] county conservation district is a
rolling application. So, um as soon as
[26:38] Beaver Creek is wrapped up, we can go
ahead and submit the next round. But um
[26:44] obviously they want to see that we
treated their money well the first time.
[26:50] So what's important?
>> You already got [clears throat]
[26:54] all I needed from you.
>> That's it.
[26:57] » I like to speak out.
>> I have a question.
[27:02] » Watching the video of the meeting last
week because I couldn't get up there and
[27:06] there was a I think you said that with
these lawsuits or something going on
[27:10] that the township is going to have to
start paying for these suits. Is there
[27:14] going to be any recourse for us to
counter suit if these people lose these
[27:19] uh lawsuits? I mean, can anybody just
sue the township and then if they lose
[27:22] say, "Oh, okay. My bad."
>> Well, right now there's only one pending
[27:26] lawsuit
against the township and it's Steven
[27:30] Humber versus Henry Township and all the
other cost 30 $50,000. This is still
[27:37] lawsuit.
>> Where's our reports to go to recoup the
[27:40] money? If we got to keep spending 50,000
or paying insurance, rates go up to
[27:44] defend lawsuits.
>> So if if the court believes that the
[27:48] lawsuit was defeatious or was out lacks
any merit, they could award attorneys
[27:55] in our favor if we want.
>> But that still doesn't answer my
[28:02] question. If the township themselves
want to go after
[28:05] » they're with what a judge says.
>> Okay. So if the judge said no, this is
[28:11] the way it works in the United States.
Anybody can sue any anything any entity
[28:17] or whatever at any time. And there is no
unless you have some sort of a contract
[28:22] or by statute said you can recover
attorney's fees, you can't recover
[28:26] attorneys.
So all of the money that has been spent
[28:31] would not be recovered
by law.
[28:35] » So you can just have are taking it to
>> I I am simply just acting in the role of
[28:43] a solicitor. The We have an insurance
company that has hired insurance defense
[28:49] council to defend us, but they have
already spent over $50,000 defending
[28:55] this suit. And now because of our
policy, that limit has expired. We've
[29:01] hit the cap. So now the taxpayers will
have to pick up the dime.
[29:06] Anybody
[29:13] else to speak out?
>> Yeah, I want to say thanks to J for what
[29:18] putting the culpr down there going to do
hopefully a good job and really
[29:23] fantastic.
[29:32] » That's it.
>> That's it.
[29:34] » M to adjourn. Motion to
[29:40] » make
[29:46] all in favor.