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Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 28 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:12,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 29 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:45,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 30 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 31 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:41,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 32 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:12,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 33 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:40,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 34 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:10,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 35 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:40,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 36 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:10,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 37 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:40,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 38 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:12,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 39 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:40,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 40 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:10,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 41 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:41,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 42 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:06,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 43 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:36,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 44 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:06,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 45 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:36,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 46 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:05,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 47 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:35,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 48 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:05,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 49 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:35,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 50 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:05,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 51 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:35,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 52 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:05,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 53 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:35,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 54 00:30:30,000 --> 00:31:00,000 ස්හශ් මටාවා ඇතාවන්න් පි මැසාවාවාව,වාවෙක්ල් මෙස්ල්ල්, දැ වැස්ලාවාවන්න, පින්වු මෙස්වාන්න්ල් මට්ල්ල්ල පිවුවාන්ල්වාවාවාවාක් ඇවෙශ 55 00:40:30,000 --> 00:41:00,000 අපින් කින් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කරන් කර� 56 00:45:30,000 --> 00:46:00,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, second, aye, abstain, quorum, 57 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:30,000 agenda item. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, second, aye, abstain, quorum, 58 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:51,680 quorum, agenda item. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, motion, resolution, 59 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:27,680 ʀᗗᗡᗜᗙᗗᗜᗜᗜᗜᗙᗕᗜᗙᗕᗗᗕ... 60 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:34,680 ʀᗗᗡᗡᗙᗙᗙᗜᗕ, 61 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:41,680 ʀᗗᗡᗕᗕ, 62 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,680 ʀᗗᗕᗜᗕ, 63 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:54,680 වව දැීමා කාව වාවාන්තිලා. 64 00:53:54,680 --> 00:54:00,680 වක්ලා එක්ලා නැලිනින්ලා. 65 00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:06,680 වෙහෝසින්ලා වෙහෝසින්ලා. 66 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,680 වීසින්ලාලා. 67 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:15,680 වීසිවාන්ලා. 68 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:35,000 Music 69 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:40,000 Music 70 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:45,000 Music 71 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:50,000 Music 72 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:55,000 Music 73 01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:00,000 Music 74 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:05,000 Music 75 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:10,000 Music 76 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:15,000 Music 77 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:20,000 Music 78 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:25,000 Music 79 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:30,000 Music 80 01:01:30,000 --> 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Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 245 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:28,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 246 01:15:46,000 --> 01:16:02,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, second, aye, abstain, quorum, agenda item, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 247 01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:32,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 248 01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:56,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 249 01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:26,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 250 01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:56,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 251 01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:26,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 252 01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:56,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 253 01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:26,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 254 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:36,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 255 01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:46,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 256 01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:56,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 257 01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:06,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 258 01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:16,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 259 01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:26,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 260 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:36,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 261 01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:46,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 262 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:56,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 263 01:20:56,000 --> 01:21:06,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 264 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:16,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 265 01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:26,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 266 01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:36,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 267 01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:46,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 268 01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:56,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 269 01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:06,000 Local government meeting. 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Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 310 01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:36,000 Local government meeting. Common terms, roll call, public comment, motion, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned. 311 01:29:36,000 --> 01:30:00,000 Good evening, everyone. 312 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,500 And I called to order this February 3rd, 2026 regular meeting of the city council at 610. 313 01:30:07,500 --> 01:30:10,000 We have the pledge of allegiance. 314 01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:13,500 Mary Corn, would you like to lead us in the pledge today? 315 01:30:13,500 --> 01:30:14,500 Thank you. 316 01:30:14,500 --> 01:30:38,500 Thank you, Eric. Appreciate it. 317 01:30:38,500 --> 01:30:41,500 Madam City Clerk, may you call the roll call, please. 318 01:30:41,500 --> 01:30:56,500 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I have one announcement to make. On Thursday, January 29th, Council Member Jackson requested to join this evening's city council meeting virtually in accordance with AB 2449 due to travel on official business as a California Coastal Commissioner. 319 01:30:56,500 --> 01:31:10,500 AB 2449 requires that your camera and audio be on throughout the meeting and you disclose whether there are any other individuals 18 years of age or older present in the room at your remote location and the general nature of your relationship with such individuals. 320 01:31:10,500 --> 01:31:14,500 Lastly, it requires that all votes tonight be taken by roll call. 321 01:31:14,500 --> 01:31:16,500 Council Member Francois. 322 01:31:16,500 --> 01:31:17,500 Here. 323 01:31:17,500 --> 01:31:18,500 Council Member Keegan. 324 01:31:18,500 --> 01:31:19,500 Here. 325 01:31:19,500 --> 01:31:21,500 Council Member Jackson. 326 01:31:21,500 --> 01:31:23,500 Here and all along. 327 01:31:23,500 --> 01:31:25,500 Mayor Pro Tem DeToy. 328 01:31:25,500 --> 01:31:26,500 Here. 329 01:31:26,500 --> 01:31:27,500 And Mayor Seaman. 330 01:31:27,500 --> 01:31:28,500 Here. 331 01:31:28,500 --> 01:31:29,500 Yabba Quorum. 332 01:31:29,500 --> 01:31:30,500 Thank you. 333 01:31:30,500 --> 01:31:33,500 Mr. City Attorney, would you provide us with a closed session report, please? 334 01:31:33,500 --> 01:31:40,500 The Mayor and City Council met in closed session on the items listed on the agenda. There are no reportable actions. 335 01:31:40,500 --> 01:31:42,500 All right. Thank you, sir. 336 01:31:42,500 --> 01:31:49,500 Let's move on to number nine announcements upcoming city events. Do any of my colleagues have any announcements? 337 01:31:49,500 --> 01:31:50,500 Anyone? 338 01:31:50,500 --> 01:31:51,500 No. 339 01:31:51,500 --> 01:31:52,500 Council Member Jackson. 340 01:31:52,500 --> 01:31:53,500 No. 341 01:31:53,500 --> 01:31:56,500 Okay. No announcements. Let's move on to approval of the agenda. 342 01:31:56,500 --> 01:31:59,500 Do I have a motion to approve the agenda? 343 01:31:59,500 --> 01:32:00,500 Mr. Mayor. 344 01:32:00,500 --> 01:32:01,500 Yes. 345 01:32:01,500 --> 01:32:09,500 I have an email received from a business owner involved to request to move the meeting agenda. 346 01:32:09,500 --> 01:32:11,500 It's going to be a little convoluted. 347 01:32:11,500 --> 01:32:15,500 Move that we move 17C adjustment of fees for commercial encroachment areas to the next meeting. 348 01:32:15,500 --> 01:32:17,500 We can still hear public comment on that. 349 01:32:17,500 --> 01:32:22,500 But again, based on the email that we all received from the business owner, just kicking it to the next meeting. 350 01:32:22,500 --> 01:32:24,500 Appreciate that. Is there a second? 351 01:32:24,500 --> 01:32:26,500 I'll second that. 352 01:32:26,500 --> 01:32:27,500 Excuse me. 353 01:32:27,500 --> 01:32:29,500 I'll second that. 354 01:32:29,500 --> 01:32:31,500 Any discussion? 355 01:32:31,500 --> 01:32:33,500 And then I'll just move. 356 01:32:33,500 --> 01:32:35,500 Sorry. 357 01:32:35,500 --> 01:32:36,500 Go ahead. 358 01:32:36,500 --> 01:32:38,500 Oh, yeah, I just have a question. 359 01:32:38,500 --> 01:32:40,500 I got the email as well. 360 01:32:40,500 --> 01:32:45,500 There's nothing to prevent us from taking the action tonight. 361 01:32:45,500 --> 01:32:57,500 And we can always revise these fees or reconsider them later because we're going to have a long time before there's another meeting and it'll just fill up the schedule and in all fairness to people that were expecting to be here tonight to hear it. 362 01:32:57,500 --> 01:33:01,500 I didn't quite understand the logic of continuing it now. 363 01:33:01,500 --> 01:33:11,500 So if you could chime in a little bit more on why, because the email we got didn't really explain why it needed to wait. 364 01:33:11,500 --> 01:33:15,500 We can always revise these again. 365 01:33:16,500 --> 01:33:26,500 Well, I honestly don't really see any reason to hear the issue tonight and make a decision on it tonight and then bring it back again in another meeting. 366 01:33:26,500 --> 01:33:30,500 We either do it tonight or we move it forward for another meeting. 367 01:33:30,500 --> 01:33:32,500 So there's a motion and a second. 368 01:33:32,500 --> 01:33:35,500 Well, but the motion is to remove it from the agenda. Is that correct? 369 01:33:35,500 --> 01:33:37,500 Yes, and to move it to another meeting. 370 01:33:38,500 --> 01:33:42,500 I don't see why we can't keep it there, collect public testimony. 371 01:33:42,500 --> 01:33:45,500 If we can come to an agreement on some things, we can go ahead and do it. 372 01:33:45,500 --> 01:33:46,500 I appreciate that. 373 01:33:46,500 --> 01:33:50,500 If that's your opinion you want to have a substitute motion you're welcome to, but at the moment we have a motion and a second. 374 01:33:50,500 --> 01:33:53,500 Well, I will oppose that order for that reason. 375 01:33:53,500 --> 01:33:55,500 So unless anyone else will chime in on it. 376 01:33:55,500 --> 01:33:57,500 Anyone else have any comments? 377 01:33:57,500 --> 01:33:59,500 Your Honor, if we could clarify. 378 01:33:59,500 --> 01:34:06,500 I think the motion said to the next meeting, if we could have flexibility though, depending on what the burden on the next meeting is, 379 01:34:06,500 --> 01:34:10,500 whether it's very busy or not, we've pushed a lot of things to March, so appreciate that. 380 01:34:10,500 --> 01:34:11,500 Thank you. 381 01:34:11,500 --> 01:34:14,500 Yeah, and I don't see any urgency to do it this evening either. 382 01:34:14,500 --> 01:34:19,500 Although it has been said that people have been waiting for this. 383 01:34:19,500 --> 01:34:24,500 Well, and businesses will continue to have to pay that higher fee until we've adjusted them. 384 01:34:24,500 --> 01:34:27,500 And so that's going to continue on for at least another month. 385 01:34:27,500 --> 01:34:28,500 Well, that's an interesting question. 386 01:34:28,500 --> 01:34:32,500 The fees, any, well, we don't know if the fees are going to be higher or lower or say the same. 387 01:34:32,500 --> 01:34:34,500 Well, they're 250 right now. 388 01:34:34,500 --> 01:34:36,500 That's for discussion. 389 01:34:36,500 --> 01:34:39,500 Any changes to the fees in either direction? 390 01:34:39,500 --> 01:34:42,500 They don't take place immediately? 391 01:34:42,500 --> 01:34:51,500 Well, no, Your Honor, the fee schedule that is actually in the staff report increased fees 23, 24, 24, 25, 25, 26. 392 01:34:51,500 --> 01:35:03,500 So the new schedule that you see in there where it says proposed actually should have said adopted because those fees went into effect at the beginning of the fiscal year in July 1st, 2025. 393 01:35:03,500 --> 01:35:05,500 So they're already in effect. 394 01:35:05,500 --> 01:35:06,500 It's already at two fifths. 395 01:35:06,500 --> 01:35:10,500 So if we make changes to it, when will those changes come into effect? 396 01:35:10,500 --> 01:35:16,500 You would have to adopt those changes and then I believe it's 30 days after you adopt the changes. 397 01:35:16,500 --> 01:35:19,500 So if you change it tonight, it would be 30 days from now. 398 01:35:19,500 --> 01:35:21,500 Otherwise, they're going to change you on that higher. 399 01:35:21,500 --> 01:35:23,500 We change it the next meeting is 30 days after that. 400 01:35:23,500 --> 01:35:26,500 So it's not really a problem. 401 01:35:26,500 --> 01:35:28,500 It seems like to me at any rate. 402 01:35:28,500 --> 01:35:33,500 So there is a motion on the floor unless there's any other discussion. 403 01:35:33,500 --> 01:35:37,500 Call the motion. 404 01:35:37,500 --> 01:35:38,500 Council Member Francois. 405 01:35:38,500 --> 01:35:40,500 No. 406 01:35:40,500 --> 01:35:41,500 Council Member Keegan. 407 01:35:41,500 --> 01:35:43,500 Aye. 408 01:35:43,500 --> 01:35:44,500 Council Member Jackson. 409 01:35:44,500 --> 01:35:46,500 Aye. 410 01:35:46,500 --> 01:35:47,500 Mayor Pro Tem DeToy. 411 01:35:47,500 --> 01:35:48,500 Aye. 412 01:35:48,500 --> 01:35:50,500 Mayor Seyman. 413 01:35:50,500 --> 01:35:51,500 Aye. 414 01:35:51,500 --> 01:35:54,500 Motion passes four to one. 415 01:35:54,500 --> 01:35:57,500 Council Member Francois voted no. 416 01:35:57,500 --> 01:35:58,500 Okay. 417 01:35:58,500 --> 01:36:01,500 Mr. Mayor, move that we approve the balance. 418 01:36:01,500 --> 01:36:03,500 I'll second that. 419 01:36:03,500 --> 01:36:05,500 Any discussion? 420 01:36:05,500 --> 01:36:06,500 I'm sorry. 421 01:36:06,500 --> 01:36:07,500 Let's see. 422 01:36:07,500 --> 01:36:08,500 Approve the balance. 423 01:36:08,500 --> 01:36:09,500 Oh, okay. 424 01:36:09,500 --> 01:36:10,500 Yeah. 425 01:36:10,500 --> 01:36:11,500 Seeing none. 426 01:36:11,500 --> 01:36:12,500 Oh, yes. 427 01:36:12,500 --> 01:36:13,500 Council Member Jackson. 428 01:36:13,500 --> 01:36:14,500 Oh, I'm sorry. 429 01:36:14,500 --> 01:36:15,500 I thought you had. 430 01:36:15,500 --> 01:36:16,500 I apologize. 431 01:36:16,500 --> 01:36:17,500 Sorry about that. 432 01:36:17,500 --> 01:36:18,500 I thought you had your hand up. 433 01:36:18,500 --> 01:36:19,500 All right. 434 01:36:19,500 --> 01:36:21,500 Madam City Clerk, would you call the question please? 435 01:36:21,500 --> 01:36:22,500 Council Member Francois. 436 01:36:22,500 --> 01:36:23,500 Yes. 437 01:36:23,500 --> 01:36:25,500 Council Member Keegan. 438 01:36:25,500 --> 01:36:26,500 Yes. 439 01:36:26,500 --> 01:36:27,500 Council Member Jackson. 440 01:36:27,500 --> 01:36:28,500 Aye. 441 01:36:28,500 --> 01:36:29,500 Mayor Pro Tem DeToy. 442 01:36:29,500 --> 01:36:30,500 Aye. 443 01:36:30,500 --> 01:36:31,500 Mayor Seyman. 444 01:36:31,500 --> 01:36:32,500 Aye. 445 01:36:32,500 --> 01:36:33,500 Motion passes. 446 01:36:33,500 --> 01:36:36,500 All right, let's move on to proclamations and presentations. 447 01:36:36,500 --> 01:36:40,500 Madam City Clerk, would you announce the presentation please? 448 01:36:40,500 --> 01:36:44,500 Item 11A is canine armor and canine arco presentation. 449 01:36:44,500 --> 01:36:45,500 Thank you. 450 01:36:45,500 --> 01:36:51,500 Police Chief Phillips, would you come to the podium and to present the canine team. 451 01:36:51,500 --> 01:36:53,500 Thank you, Mayor Seyman and Council Members. 452 01:36:53,500 --> 01:36:54,500 Good evening. 453 01:36:54,500 --> 01:36:59,500 So we'd like to do a quick introduction of our canine supervisor, our canine handler, 454 01:36:59,500 --> 01:37:02,500 Officer Ivan Torres, and canine arco. 455 01:37:02,500 --> 01:37:09,500 And most importantly tonight, we're here to recognize and thank canine armor who co-founder 456 01:37:09,500 --> 01:37:13,500 Suzanne Saunders is going to talk about canine armor, what they do. 457 01:37:13,500 --> 01:37:18,500 And I'm going to share with Council and staff one of their wall magnets. 458 01:37:18,500 --> 01:37:22,500 But Miss Saunders is going to talk about why that's important for our canine. 459 01:37:22,500 --> 01:37:24,500 First I'm going to bring up Officer Ivan Torres. 460 01:37:24,500 --> 01:37:35,500 He's going to talk a little bit about himself and canine arco. 461 01:37:35,500 --> 01:37:41,500 Is he going to smell our luggage or anything? 462 01:37:41,500 --> 01:37:48,500 Thank you, everyone. 463 01:37:48,500 --> 01:37:52,500 Thank you. 464 01:37:52,500 --> 01:37:58,500 Thank you. 465 01:37:58,500 --> 01:37:59,500 Hello? 466 01:37:59,500 --> 01:38:00,500 All right. 467 01:38:00,500 --> 01:38:01,500 Good evening everyone. 468 01:38:01,500 --> 01:38:03,500 I'm Officer Torres of their Milster Beach Police Department. 469 01:38:03,500 --> 01:38:05,500 And this here is canine arco. 470 01:38:05,500 --> 01:38:10,500 Arco is a three-year-old Belgian Malinois imported from the Netherlands. 471 01:38:10,500 --> 01:38:21,500 Specifically, the Netherlands is important because they breed and train some of the most impressive police dogs. 472 01:38:21,500 --> 01:38:30,500 Arco holds a KNPV title, which is a prestigious title from the Royal Dutch Police Association, 473 01:38:30,500 --> 01:38:37,500 which emphasizes in control and apprehension. 474 01:38:37,500 --> 01:38:40,500 You can see he's excited. 475 01:38:40,500 --> 01:38:45,500 With this title, you can see that prior to arriving in Hermosa Beach, 476 01:38:45,500 --> 01:38:50,500 canine arco already established an elite standard in police work. 477 01:38:50,500 --> 01:38:54,500 Now prior to his arrival, or excuse me, after his arrival, 478 01:38:54,500 --> 01:39:03,500 Arco and I attended a 240-hour intensive police training program in the city of Riverside. 479 01:39:03,500 --> 01:39:09,500 This training program covered a wide variety of obedience, 480 01:39:09,500 --> 01:39:16,500 a wide variety of searches and real-life scenarios where Arco can be deployed. 481 01:39:16,500 --> 01:39:19,500 Upon certification, our training doesn't end there. 482 01:39:19,500 --> 01:39:24,500 Arco and I are required to train a minimum of 20 hours per month 483 01:39:24,500 --> 01:39:27,500 in order to maintain his crucial skills, 484 01:39:27,500 --> 01:39:34,500 apprehension tactics, and keep his physical and mental skills sharpened. 485 01:39:34,500 --> 01:39:38,500 So with that being said, Arco is an apprehension dog, 486 01:39:38,500 --> 01:39:42,500 and eventually he will be an explosive detection dog. 487 01:39:42,500 --> 01:39:49,500 So what apprehension means is Arco, in a very dangerous situation, 488 01:39:49,500 --> 01:39:54,500 could be used to locate and apprehend a violent suspect 489 01:39:54,500 --> 01:40:00,500 who may be concealing himself from officers and possibly armed. 490 01:40:00,500 --> 01:40:09,500 This means that, well, crucially, his mere presence is a tool in and of itself 491 01:40:09,500 --> 01:40:13,500 because it can encourage the safe surrenders of these kinds of situations, 492 01:40:13,500 --> 01:40:17,500 of these kinds of suspects, and allow us to not use force, 493 01:40:17,500 --> 01:40:23,500 allow us to not get in any particular situation that allows officers or the public to get hurt. 494 01:40:23,500 --> 01:40:27,500 So he is a de-escalation tactic, which more often than not, 495 01:40:27,500 --> 01:40:31,500 if you hear this guy barking, you'll come out. 496 01:40:31,500 --> 01:40:37,500 Eventually he'll be trained in explosives where he'll use this powerful sense of smell 497 01:40:37,500 --> 01:40:44,500 in order to detect explosive materials to where, basically, 498 01:40:44,500 --> 01:40:48,500 to the mere human eye it's nearly impossible to detect. 499 01:40:48,500 --> 01:40:52,500 This is a crucial skill in which Arco will assist the city in keeping our schools, 500 01:40:52,500 --> 01:40:56,500 public events, and any other facilities safe. 501 01:40:56,500 --> 01:41:04,500 So all that is being said because a crucial piece of gear for Arco in order to maintain safe 502 01:41:04,500 --> 01:41:07,500 while performing his duties is a ballistic vest. 503 01:41:07,500 --> 01:41:12,500 This ballistic vest will allow Arco to still effectively perform his duties, 504 01:41:12,500 --> 01:41:16,500 but allow him to be safe. 505 01:41:16,500 --> 01:41:22,500 Just like officers here in Hermosa Beach where we run towards the danger first, 506 01:41:22,500 --> 01:41:26,500 Arco will as well, so having a ballistic vest is very important. 507 01:41:26,500 --> 01:41:34,500 So with that, I'd like to introduce Ms. Suzanne Saunders, co-founder of Canine Armor. 508 01:41:34,500 --> 01:41:41,500 Canine Armor is a public charity which takes donations in order to distribute 509 01:41:41,500 --> 01:41:46,500 police vests like this one to Canines all over California. 510 01:41:46,500 --> 01:41:53,500 And Ms. Suzanne Saunders has graciously chosen Arco to be the next recipient. 511 01:41:53,500 --> 01:41:56,500 Thank you, Officer Torres. Thank you, Canine Arco. 512 01:41:56,500 --> 01:42:00,500 Good evening, Mr. Mayor and Council members. 513 01:42:00,500 --> 01:42:02,500 Thank you so much for inviting me. 514 01:42:02,500 --> 01:42:05,500 My name is Suzanne Saunders and I am co-founder of Canine Armor. 515 01:42:05,500 --> 01:42:09,500 It is a public benefit charity that raises money to give bulletproof vests 516 01:42:09,500 --> 01:42:13,500 like this one to California police dogs like Canine Arco. 517 01:42:13,500 --> 01:42:19,500 Now, sadly, some dogs are injured and killed in the line of duty 518 01:42:19,500 --> 01:42:21,500 when they don't have a bulletproof vest. 519 01:42:21,500 --> 01:42:23,500 So they need them and they deserve them, 520 01:42:23,500 --> 01:42:27,500 but most departments don't have the budget for a $4,000 vest. 521 01:42:27,500 --> 01:42:32,500 So I'm here tonight to ask the Council to vote for a $4,000 donation 522 01:42:32,500 --> 01:42:37,500 so that I can buy these and then give them to the officers for free 523 01:42:37,500 --> 01:42:41,500 because we love them and want them to stay safe and they deserve it. 524 01:42:41,500 --> 01:42:44,500 And we keep the money in California because this vest, 525 01:42:44,500 --> 01:42:47,500 for the first time in 20 years that I've been doing this, 526 01:42:47,500 --> 01:42:51,500 they've been asking me for a vest that has a removable collar. 527 01:42:51,500 --> 01:42:55,500 And this is a removable bulletproof vest collar 528 01:42:55,500 --> 01:42:57,500 and it doesn't hinder their movements 529 01:42:57,500 --> 01:43:02,500 and so he can still run and bite and do his duty, 530 01:43:02,500 --> 01:43:03,500 but it'll keep him safe. 531 01:43:03,500 --> 01:43:08,500 Sadly, Burbank PD Canine Spike was killed in November of last year 532 01:43:08,500 --> 01:43:11,500 so there's a reminder that he had one of the beautiful vests 533 01:43:11,500 --> 01:43:13,500 that we've been giving from Canine Storm, 534 01:43:13,500 --> 01:43:17,500 but they haven't had a collar until this one made by Project Seven 535 01:43:17,500 --> 01:43:21,500 and sold by Ardvark Tactical in Laverne, California 536 01:43:21,500 --> 01:43:23,500 where I went this morning to pick it up 537 01:43:23,500 --> 01:43:27,500 because we don't have enough to be able to have loners. 538 01:43:27,500 --> 01:43:30,500 But I do have this one today to be able to 539 01:43:30,500 --> 01:43:34,500 and a few others in the trunk to make sure that he gets a custom fit 540 01:43:34,500 --> 01:43:38,500 because I have been doing this for 20 years and measured 200 dogs 541 01:43:38,500 --> 01:43:41,500 so I want to make sure that it fits him correctly 542 01:43:41,500 --> 01:43:43,500 when you get something that important. 543 01:43:43,500 --> 01:43:49,500 So I appreciate the fact that you depend on your dog with your life 544 01:43:49,500 --> 01:43:52,500 and thank you for putting your lives on the line 545 01:43:52,500 --> 01:43:54,500 for the city of Hermosa Beach 546 01:43:54,500 --> 01:43:57,500 and thank you council members for taking care of the citizens 547 01:43:57,500 --> 01:44:00,500 and I hope you'll approve a donation to be able to protect 548 01:44:00,500 --> 01:44:02,500 beautiful Canine Arco. 549 01:44:02,500 --> 01:44:05,500 So thank you very much and God bless our Canine heroes. 550 01:44:05,500 --> 01:44:07,500 Thank you, sir. 551 01:44:18,500 --> 01:44:20,500 Any questions? 552 01:44:21,500 --> 01:44:23,500 Questions? 553 01:44:23,500 --> 01:44:25,500 I have one. 554 01:44:25,500 --> 01:44:27,500 Sure, thank you. 555 01:44:27,500 --> 01:44:33,500 Do we currently have bulletproof vests on our Canines in the city here? 556 01:44:33,500 --> 01:44:35,500 As of right now, no. 557 01:44:35,500 --> 01:44:38,500 This is the donation that we're receiving. 558 01:44:38,500 --> 01:44:40,500 This is our only Canine. 559 01:44:40,500 --> 01:44:44,500 So we have not budgeted for them or provided? 560 01:44:44,500 --> 01:44:47,500 We've never had a dog with this level of skill 561 01:44:47,500 --> 01:44:49,500 for that type of requirement. 562 01:44:49,500 --> 01:44:51,500 Our previous Canines were narcotics 563 01:44:51,500 --> 01:44:54,500 and strictly explosives detection. 564 01:44:54,500 --> 01:44:56,500 So the Canine Arco has added skills. 565 01:44:56,500 --> 01:44:57,500 All right, got it. 566 01:44:57,500 --> 01:44:59,500 Okay, thank you. 567 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,080 The previous talks we've had have just traveled in the car with our officers or with the one 568 01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:11,200 officer that's trained. Yes, the dog stays with the handler. All day, 569 01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:15,800 every day, they go home with them and, yes, Ken and Arco will ride in the car with Officer 570 01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:23,200 Torres every shift. So even though they're trained for sniffing narcotics and so on explosives, 571 01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:29,320 they do every day in the car work. Yeah, they respond to calls, they take crime 572 01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:36,920 reports, they respond to non-emergency calls, emergency calls, and until the K9 handler deploys 573 01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:41,960 the dog, the dog stays in the car. Great. All right, well, thank you. Appreciate it. 574 01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:47,800 Yes. Thank you, Mr. Thomas. Thank you, Chief. Oh, I'm sorry. Does K9 and Arco get bilingual 575 01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:54,920 pay for, because I know... Can you speak to the public about, I mean, Dutch, right? 576 01:45:55,240 --> 01:46:00,520 They have to learn Dutch. The dogs learn Dutch. So I don't know if you want to speak a little bit 577 01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:05,960 to that. Yeah. I have a family member who has the Belgian Malta. Does the dog speak Dutch? 578 01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:12,040 Mm-hmm. All with names. And English? Well, French, too. Yeah, Belgian. 579 01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:18,840 So he does speak Dutch, which is where, in the basic course, we had to learn 580 01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:23,560 the Dutch commands. But in all honesty, to my surprise, there aren't very many. 581 01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:29,640 There's maybe about 10 to 12 type of commands. But more importantly, he understands context 582 01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:35,640 more than anything. So, for example, we were taught to train them when to take a potty break. 583 01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:40,120 So every time he went to, or was attempting to try and use the restroom, I tell him, 584 01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:45,640 take a break, and he understands the context. Very smart, very intelligent dog. 585 01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:48,760 But on top of that, when he's ready to work, when he's in drive, 586 01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:55,480 yeah, he's just all go. I'll give you an example. If I go out in the morning to come to work, 587 01:46:55,480 --> 01:47:01,160 and if I come out in my police uniform, he's not eating breakfast because he sees me in my uniform 588 01:47:01,160 --> 01:47:06,280 and he's ready to go. So this guy makes me come out in PJs first, has his breakfast, 589 01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:11,960 and then I come out and let's go to work. But, yes, very smart intelligent dog. 590 01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:15,160 Commands are important, but, like I said, context is everything with it. 591 01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:21,560 Thank you so much. I appreciate it. And we appreciate that dog on our floor. 592 01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:22,680 Thank you. Please say it. Thank you. 593 01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:31,720 Okay. Let's move on to 11B. Madam C. Clerk, would you announce the presentation please? 594 01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:39,560 11B is Hermosa Beach Chamber of Commerce presents review of 2025 programs and vision for 2026. 595 01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:43,480 Thank you. Michelle Crispin, would you come up? Thank you. 596 01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:51,960 Hi there. Make sure our screen is up. My mic on. 597 01:47:56,680 --> 01:48:00,280 There we go. I apologize in advance. I'm a little froggy. 598 01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:06,120 Welcome. Thank you so much for having us here. 599 01:48:06,440 --> 01:48:14,520 Mayor, excuse me, Mayor Seaman, Rotem, Michael Detoy, city manager, city staff. 600 01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:23,400 This is our 2025 year end review and vision for 2026. As the 501C6 nonprofit, the Hermosa 601 01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:28,120 Beach Chamber of Commerce exists to promote, inform, and empower the local business community. 602 01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:33,480 We serve a diverse membership that includes service providers, restaurants, salons, 603 01:48:33,480 --> 01:48:38,440 professional real estate agents, nonprofits, musicians, artists, 604 01:48:38,440 --> 01:48:42,200 online businesses. The list goes on and on. Next slide, please. 605 01:48:45,160 --> 01:48:51,960 We're currently at 430 active members, including 90 new members in 2025. Strong 606 01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:58,920 momentum as we continue refining and strengthening our organization. Our base is anchored by small 607 01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:05,960 businesses with a mix of solo entrepreneurs, nonprofits, civic groups, artists, and a smaller 608 01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:12,440 segment of larger employers. That diversity we feel reflects Hermosa's DNA, which is independent, 609 01:49:12,440 --> 01:49:17,480 creative, and community driven. We've been intentionally refining our membership model to 610 01:49:17,480 --> 01:49:22,120 focus less on volume and more on alignment, value, and engagement. Next slide, please. 611 01:49:22,200 --> 01:49:30,680 2025 was about getting honest with our numbers and making strategic decisions based on performance, 612 01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:35,800 not just on tradition. We looked at every event that we do through two lenses, 613 01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:40,600 community impact and financial sustainability, both matter. 614 01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:49,720 Fiesta remains an economic engine for us with over 755,000 in revenue with a net 615 01:49:49,720 --> 01:49:57,240 of 176,000. It continues to fund chamber operations and helps us support our mission to serve our 616 01:49:57,240 --> 01:50:05,320 membership. The St. Patrick's Day Parade continues to be deeply loved and well attended. That said, 617 01:50:05,320 --> 01:50:11,720 as we talked about last week, it resulted in a significant loss of nearly $19,000. We're 618 01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:15,800 committed to preserving community traditions, but as stated in the last council meeting, 619 01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:21,720 we need a fund rating model that makes sense long term if we're going to continue to produce the parade. 620 01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:27,160 After reviewing the numbers for Oktoberfest and listening to business feedback, 621 01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:36,360 the ROI simply wasn't strong enough for us to continue that event, with a $13,000 loss in 2025 622 01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:41,960 and limited merchant benefit, it no longer made sense to continue that event. 623 01:50:42,280 --> 01:50:46,680 We intentionally scaled Hermosa for the holidays down to reduce costs and risk, 624 01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:51,800 and it was very well received by the community. The streamlined approach that we took 625 01:50:51,800 --> 01:51:00,200 resulted in a positive net of $4,869, showing us that right size events can be both meaningful 626 01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:09,560 and financially stable. Next slide, please. We hosted the best of Hermosa at St. Rock, 627 01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:15,400 which we miss dearly, to celebrate standout local businesses and community members, 628 01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:18,120 and we're continuing that tradition next Monday at the Lighthouse. 629 01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:25,000 Lemonade Day featured 23 young entrepreneurs across 12 stands across town, with students from 630 01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:29,880 grades 3 to 8 completing a hands-on business training program before they launched their 631 01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:35,480 lemonade stands. We held three seasonal sidewalk sales winter, spring, and summer to drive 632 01:51:35,560 --> 01:51:40,440 local shopping and create pop-up space for small and non-brick and mortar businesses. 633 01:51:41,480 --> 01:51:47,160 Our tiny chamber concerts and monthly songwriter showcases have supported local working musicians, 634 01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:51,800 energized local venues, and helped celebrate Hermosa's robust music culture. 635 01:51:53,240 --> 01:51:59,000 We partnered with local experts and the city to host lunch and learns on practical topics 636 01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:04,520 like emergency preparedness for businesses, AI, marketing, trade marking, and branding, 637 01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:09,800 just to name a few. With city support, we celebrated eight new businesses through 638 01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:15,560 ribbon cuttings, making continued investment and confidence in Hermosa's local economy. 639 01:52:17,080 --> 01:52:24,200 Next slide, please. The Chamber's marketing engine continues to be one of our strongest 640 01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:29,400 value drivers for our members, and this year that work was recognized nationally. 641 01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:36,360 We just found out last week that we earned first place in 2025 for a social media impact award from 642 01:52:36,360 --> 01:52:41,960 the Western Association of Chamber Executives, competing against more than 450 chambers across 643 01:52:41,960 --> 01:52:47,080 the United States. I'll hand the rest of this slide over to Shelby, who is our marketing and 644 01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:52,920 operations manager, who is pretty much directly responsible for that award and makes a lot of 645 01:52:52,920 --> 01:52:58,520 this great marketing stuff happen. This is Shelby Foyan. Thank you. Nice to see you tonight. 646 01:52:59,480 --> 01:53:06,200 In 2025, we sent a total of 59 promotional emails to a subscriber list of 22,000, 647 01:53:06,920 --> 01:53:10,120 which promoted chamber members, events, and local initiatives. 648 01:53:10,920 --> 01:53:15,000 Promotional emails remain one of the most direct benefits we offer our members, 649 01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:20,120 giving them exposure to over 1,000 engaged subscribers with each send. 650 01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:26,040 We managed two key social media accounts, Hermosa Chamber and Truly Hermosa on both 651 01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:31,880 Instagram and Facebook, which together reached nearly 25,000 organic followers, 652 01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:40,520 that's no payment, all organic. In 2025, we achieved 596,600 social views on our 653 01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:46,600 Hermosa Chamber account and 350,000 views on our Truly Hermosa account. 654 01:53:47,480 --> 01:53:52,760 With no paid social media spends, these results speak to the authenticity and 655 01:53:52,760 --> 01:53:58,360 impact of our storytelling and community voice. We're consistently ranked in the top 10 656 01:53:58,360 --> 01:54:04,680 influencer accounts in Hermosa Beach. In 2025, we produced one edition of the Truly 657 01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:09,800 Hermosa Magazine and Destination Guide, which was fully designed and created in-house. 658 01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:16,520 10,000 copies were distributed to regional hotels, coffee shops, community centers, 659 01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:22,280 and local businesses throughout the South Bay. This edition focuses on Hermosa's roots. 660 01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:28,120 It promoted chamber members, told local stories, and showcased the small businesses 661 01:54:28,120 --> 01:54:33,960 that make Hermosa what it is. Due to limited ad sales and ongoing business hardship, 662 01:54:33,960 --> 01:54:38,600 we did scale back from two additions to one, which is a reflection of the need for 663 01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:43,800 sustainable tourism funding. We also advertised in South Bay Magazine, 664 01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:48,440 which featured Downtown Hermosa Beach and a curated shopping guide, which 665 01:54:49,160 --> 01:54:54,840 extended our regional reach and positioned Hermosa as a destination for locals and visitors alike. 666 01:54:55,640 --> 01:54:57,560 Thank you very much. Next slide, please. 667 01:54:59,320 --> 01:55:04,120 Beyond events and marketing, another role in the Chamber, excuse me, is being a voice 668 01:55:04,120 --> 01:55:07,480 and resource for our business community, which is where advocacy comes in. 669 01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:12,360 These are just a few examples of our advocacy this year. We've worked closely 670 01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:17,400 with businesses in the city to streamline permitting with clear communication and timelines. 671 01:55:17,400 --> 01:55:22,600 We've gathered feedback on employee and holiday parking, supported permits and liquor licenses, 672 01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:28,360 and shared resources while compiling input from members impacted by ADA compliance lawsuits. 673 01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:33,080 With an even sharper focus in 2026, we're ready to build on this work 674 01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:36,200 and expand our advocacy efforts. Next slide, please. 675 01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:45,080 EDAC. Led by our Chamber Board member and head cheerleader, Tony Cordy, 676 01:55:45,800 --> 01:55:50,120 EDAC focuses on identifying the real drivers of local economic growth, 677 01:55:50,120 --> 01:55:53,720 including how we attract visitors who stay longer and spend more. 678 01:55:54,840 --> 01:56:00,360 Our EDAC committee is proposing a quarterly dashboard of key metrics built in partnership 679 01:56:00,360 --> 01:56:06,760 with city data so that we can track real progress, spot trends, remove obstacles, 680 01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:12,440 and make smart data-driven recommendations moving forward. Next slide, please. 681 01:56:15,400 --> 01:56:21,640 All of this work, events, marketing, advocacy, economic strategy, everything comes back to 682 01:56:21,640 --> 01:56:27,720 how we manage our time and resources to best serve our mission. The Chamber's revenue comes 683 01:56:27,800 --> 01:56:35,400 from events, membership, sponsors, and magazine advertising. Our largest expenses are event 684 01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:41,080 production, staffing, and core operations, all of which support the programs and services 685 01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:47,960 we provide to our business community. We operated at a loss in 2025, and we made the 686 01:56:47,960 --> 01:56:53,160 intentional decision to use reserves during our reset to stabilize our operations. 687 01:56:54,120 --> 01:56:58,840 With stronger systems, tighter oversight and more disciplined budgeting in place, 688 01:56:58,840 --> 01:57:04,760 we're positioned to build back our reserves and move toward long-term financial sustainability. 689 01:57:05,320 --> 01:57:06,120 Next slide, please. 690 01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:14,200 So with that in mind, here's where we're headed in 2026. Operational restructuring, 691 01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:20,600 as I mentioned before, remains a paramount objective for us. Stronger oversight, 692 01:57:20,680 --> 01:57:25,880 greater transparency, a focused commitment on long-term sustainability. We cannot have a 693 01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:32,360 stable mission without stable funding. Expanded networking and education is about delivering 694 01:57:32,360 --> 01:57:38,280 direct member value. Businesses tell us they want connection, they want practical tools, 695 01:57:38,280 --> 01:57:43,080 they want networking, they want more opportunities to get in front of the people that matter. 696 01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:48,200 Increasing these opportunities strengthens our local economy from the inside out. 697 01:57:48,200 --> 01:57:55,080 Bringing back the Labor Day Fiesta was a decision that we made based on business feedback 698 01:57:55,640 --> 01:58:01,080 and will be returning in a way that's more localized, scalable, and financially responsible. 699 01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:05,800 It's about honoring tradition without compromising sustainability. 700 01:58:07,240 --> 01:58:12,760 We plan to revisit the formation of a hotel-led TID with its own governance and 701 01:58:12,840 --> 01:58:18,600 financial management. It's a proven statewide model that provides consistent funding for 702 01:58:18,600 --> 01:58:23,800 destination marketing and visitor engagement, which is, as you know, especially important 703 01:58:23,800 --> 01:58:28,840 with major events like the Olympics and other things on the horizon. We've already begun 704 01:58:28,840 --> 01:58:34,680 conversations with local leaders in that arena with dedicated tourism funding in place. 705 01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:39,080 Hermosa can be ready to fully leverage that opportunity. Next slide, please. 706 01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:45,240 This year, we bid farewell to our beloved Millie after five years of dedicated service to the 707 01:58:45,240 --> 01:58:50,920 Chamber. As part of our restructuring, I've taken on Millie's responsibilities as membership 708 01:58:50,920 --> 01:58:56,360 director, and Shelby is now working an additional 15 hours a week as marketing and operations 709 01:58:56,360 --> 01:59:02,920 manager. I am very grateful for our diverse, our new, diverse, and committed Board of 710 01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:07,720 Directors. They've already stepped up in a huge way, tackling challenges head-on 711 01:59:08,120 --> 01:59:13,720 and staying focused in supporting our mission. I'd also like to thank all the amazing volunteers 712 01:59:13,720 --> 01:59:18,600 who are the backbone of all the events that we do. And finally, I'd like to thank City Council 713 01:59:18,600 --> 01:59:24,760 and staff for your continued partnership and support. I'm looking forward to 2026 as we work 714 01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:30,600 together to strengthen Hermosa's business community and our future. Thank you very much. 715 01:59:30,920 --> 01:59:31,720 Thank you very much. 716 01:59:33,160 --> 01:59:37,800 Well, thank you, Michelle. I appreciate that. It's a great report. Are there any questions? 717 01:59:39,320 --> 01:59:39,960 I'm counseled. 718 01:59:41,960 --> 01:59:42,920 No? I have a question. 719 01:59:42,920 --> 01:59:43,720 Sure. Thank you. 720 01:59:45,560 --> 01:59:52,120 Thank you for the great report. It's refreshing to see what visibility you're giving us 721 01:59:52,120 --> 01:59:59,720 on what the Chamber is doing. I attended the seminar last week with some of the small 722 01:59:59,720 --> 02:00:02,840 business leaders. 723 02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:10,800 I was just wondering if the Chamber is going to think about hosting some workshops to advise 724 02:00:10,800 --> 02:00:17,680 them on compliance or maybe referring them to some type of certified access specialist? 725 02:00:17,680 --> 02:00:23,040 Absolutely. Absolutely. We've already done an outreach to our member database to see who 726 02:00:23,040 --> 02:00:26,960 is willing to come forward and talk about what complaints they've had, what lawsuits they've 727 02:00:27,040 --> 02:00:31,680 had. So we've assembled a list and we are putting together one sheets and informational 728 02:00:31,680 --> 02:00:37,120 items for them to be able to prepare for it and know the next steps. 729 02:00:37,120 --> 02:00:41,440 Yeah, that's really great. To ensure that they're in compliance because the hopes of getting 730 02:00:41,440 --> 02:00:46,560 something passed at the state level is only one thing, but there's a lot of proactive things 731 02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:50,000 we can do. Well, to make sure they're compliant, but also there were over a dozen businesses 732 02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:54,560 that got back to us with feedback that they have been affected by this already and to 733 02:00:54,560 --> 02:00:57,280 know what next steps are for them in that regard as well. 734 02:00:57,280 --> 02:00:59,600 Right. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. 735 02:00:59,600 --> 02:01:05,520 Sure. Michelle, I have a couple quick questions. Let's see, back here, one of the first, 736 02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:12,880 I think the third slide, about advocacy. How do you specifically improve the permitting process? 737 02:01:13,520 --> 02:01:17,840 You mentioned the first thing was that we advocate for the permitting process. 738 02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:18,880 How do we improve it? 739 02:01:18,880 --> 02:01:20,400 No, how are you improving it? How is this? 740 02:01:20,400 --> 02:01:23,280 Oh, improving. I'm sorry. Like, it's not up to us to approve it. 741 02:01:24,240 --> 02:01:31,920 Yeah, that's true. Basically, we just try and, it depends on what level that our member is at 742 02:01:31,920 --> 02:01:36,080 when they come to us. Sometimes they're just looking for just straight up advice on what's 743 02:01:36,080 --> 02:01:42,160 the process. Who do we go to? Where do we start? Sometimes they are further along in the process 744 02:01:42,160 --> 02:01:46,400 and they show us all of what they're going for and we know it's coming to council. 745 02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:51,440 We take that all under advisement. We talk to other businesses as well to see what 746 02:01:51,440 --> 02:01:57,200 their experience or their input might be and then we form what our level of support is for 747 02:01:57,200 --> 02:02:01,440 them on that. It really depends on what level they're coming in as far as what support they need. 748 02:02:02,240 --> 02:02:03,440 Okay. Everybody's different. 749 02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:08,320 Appreciate that. And what about the liquor licenses? What is it that you essentially do 750 02:02:09,200 --> 02:02:10,560 regarding the liquor licenses? 751 02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:15,520 Kind of the same thing. I mean, when C-Sprite, for instance, when they were 752 02:02:16,320 --> 02:02:19,760 trying to get into their liquor license, we looked at all the pros and cons of what 753 02:02:19,760 --> 02:02:25,200 people were saying with that. We talked to neighboring businesses. We talked to other 754 02:02:26,240 --> 02:02:30,640 businesses that have been in similar situations that they had been and to see what they had 755 02:02:30,640 --> 02:02:35,680 experienced. And we move forward with the board's approval on how to proceed. 756 02:02:36,480 --> 02:02:39,680 All right. Great. Thank you. Any other questions? None? 757 02:02:40,560 --> 02:02:42,480 All right. Thank you so much for your report. We really appreciate it. 758 02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:44,640 Thank you. Looking forward to 2026. 759 02:02:49,920 --> 02:02:52,080 Do we go to public comment on this? 760 02:02:53,200 --> 02:02:59,120 No. Okay. So let's move on then to item 11C. 761 02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:10,480 11C is Recognizing Black History Month. 762 02:03:10,480 --> 02:03:25,280 Okay. I'd like to read this proclamation regarding Black History Month for 2026, 763 02:03:26,240 --> 02:03:31,520 whereas in 1976 Black History Month was formally adopted to honor and affirm the 764 02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:36,640 importance of Black History throughout our American experience and is full of individuals 765 02:03:36,640 --> 02:03:41,600 who took a stance against prejudice, advance the cause of civil rights, strengthen families, 766 02:03:41,600 --> 02:03:47,760 communities, and our nation. And whereas National Black History Month serves as both a 767 02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:52,640 celebration and a powerful reminder that Black History is American History, 768 02:03:52,640 --> 02:03:58,000 Black Culture is American Culture, and Black Stories are essential to the ongoing story 769 02:03:58,000 --> 02:04:04,240 of America, our faults, our struggles, our progress, and our aspirations. And whereas 770 02:04:04,240 --> 02:04:09,200 shining a light on Black History today is as important to understanding ourselves and growing 771 02:04:09,200 --> 02:04:15,440 stronger as a nation as it ever has been, that is why it is essential that we take time to 772 02:04:15,440 --> 02:04:21,040 celebrate the immeasurable contributions of Black Americans, honor the legacies and achievements 773 02:04:21,040 --> 02:04:27,760 of generations past, and confront those injustices that still fester today. 774 02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:32,800 Now, therefore, I, Rob Seaman, Mayor of the City of Hermosa Beach, and on behalf of the 775 02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:38,320 entire City Council, do hereby recognize February as Black History Month, let us all 776 02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:43,120 recommit ourselves to continue the fight for justice, equality, and a more diverse, 777 02:04:43,120 --> 02:04:48,400 supportive, inclusive, and protective union. Thank you all very much. 778 02:04:53,920 --> 02:04:58,160 All right, thank you. Let's move on to item number 12 then, public comment. 779 02:04:58,800 --> 02:05:03,200 Madam City Clerk, do we have anyone for public comment in person or in Zoom? 780 02:05:04,480 --> 02:05:08,960 This is the time for members of the public to address the City Council on items on and not 781 02:05:08,960 --> 02:05:14,720 on the agenda, but within the Council's jurisdiction. Each speaker is limited to three minutes and 782 02:05:14,720 --> 02:05:20,800 will be taken in person and Zoom. A reminder that if you address the City Council on items 783 02:05:21,440 --> 02:05:24,800 listed under public hearings or municipal matters, you will not be able to address 784 02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:28,320 the Council on the same item when it is heard at a later part of the meeting. 785 02:05:29,200 --> 02:05:31,920 We have a speaker card from Sarah Harper. 786 02:05:54,960 --> 02:05:58,960 Aim that one that way. Aim it away. There you go. Now try it. 787 02:05:58,960 --> 02:06:02,880 And is the handheld still there? Yeah, try it now. That should help. 788 02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:05,200 Beautiful. 789 02:06:08,640 --> 02:06:14,160 Residents of Hermosa Beach, I am happy to announce that today the Hermosa Beach Library 790 02:06:14,160 --> 02:06:22,000 reopened for service. They are continuing to work on our restroom remodel project, 791 02:06:22,080 --> 02:06:25,360 but we are open again and we are happy to be providing programs. 792 02:06:26,640 --> 02:06:33,360 This Saturday, we will be having the Iwalani Family Music Show at 10.30 a.m., especially 793 02:06:33,360 --> 02:06:40,080 for ages 0 to 5, and their parents and caregivers. Next Saturday, February 14th, 794 02:06:40,080 --> 02:06:46,560 we will be having toddler art time. In honor of Lunar New Year, we will be making 795 02:06:46,560 --> 02:06:51,600 paper Chinese lanterns, and that's for ages 2 to 5 with their parent and caregiver. 796 02:06:52,240 --> 02:06:58,080 Then the Saturday after that, we will be having another family music concert on February 21st 797 02:06:58,080 --> 02:07:04,720 at 10.30, music time with Mr. Michael, and that's especially for ages 1 to 5 798 02:07:04,720 --> 02:07:11,600 with a parent or caregiver. On Wednesday, February 18th, for our school-aged children, 799 02:07:11,600 --> 02:07:18,240 we will be having history of the traffic light in celebration of African American and Black History 800 02:07:18,240 --> 02:07:23,920 Month. We will be learning about the inventions of Garrett Morgan, prolific black American inventor, 801 02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:31,920 and making our own traffic light bookmarks for ages 5 and up, and that is all I have for tonight, 802 02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:36,560 and I hope to see everyone back at the library. Thank you. Appreciate your presentation. 803 02:07:37,120 --> 02:07:42,880 I know that many public comments about when is the library opening, when is the library opening, 804 02:07:42,880 --> 02:07:48,240 and a lot of people are very excited about it, and myself included, and really happy to see it 805 02:07:48,240 --> 02:07:53,680 back in action, and I see that we've hit the ground reading instead of running. So thank you so 806 02:07:53,680 --> 02:08:06,160 much for that. And let's, any other public comment? Next is Elka Warner. Good evening, 807 02:08:06,160 --> 02:08:13,920 Mayor and Council members. I'm here tonight to support Lana and the Green Store, a place near 808 02:08:13,920 --> 02:08:21,040 and dear to my heart. Growing up, my friends and I would stop at the Green Store on our way home 809 02:08:21,040 --> 02:08:28,400 from the beach. We'd walk in with sandy feet and wet bathing suits to buy abazabas, 810 02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:34,640 bitter honeys, and slurpees. Thankfully, not much has changed at the Green Store. 811 02:08:35,600 --> 02:08:42,080 Lana and her brother have been able to keep the same atmosphere and sense of community 812 02:08:42,080 --> 02:08:52,720 that we all know and love. They have added a small patio and deli. Lana works the deli and register 813 02:08:52,720 --> 02:09:00,880 from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. every day. The cool thing about the Green Store is that you can order food 814 02:09:00,880 --> 02:09:08,640 inside and eat it on the patio or take it home. But the Green Store is not a restaurant, 815 02:09:09,440 --> 02:09:16,960 and the patio is not a major revenue generator like it is for the peer plaza restaurants 816 02:09:16,960 --> 02:09:24,400 or marthas across the street, which is known for its outdoor dining or outdoor seating. 817 02:09:25,440 --> 02:09:32,960 The Green Store patio, and I live up the street from it, is a community space that Lana created 818 02:09:32,960 --> 02:09:41,040 for her customers and to make the store more welcoming. At the January 13th council meeting, 819 02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:48,320 you proposed a $2 square foot fee, an encroachment fee for businesses that don't have 820 02:09:48,320 --> 02:09:56,880 table service or alcohol on their outdoor dining decks. While $2 may not sound like a lot, 821 02:09:56,880 --> 02:10:01,600 it adds up for a small store like the Green Store and Mickey's. 822 02:10:03,040 --> 02:10:10,240 The staff report says the city will lose about $4,000 a year by reducing the rate to $2. 823 02:10:11,520 --> 02:10:17,040 Why are we hassling small businesses over nickels and dimes when we just gave the 824 02:10:17,040 --> 02:10:25,520 chamber $51,000 for the St. Patrick's Day Parade? Don't get me wrong, I love the parade, 825 02:10:25,520 --> 02:10:31,680 but we should also be supporting small neighborhood stores that have been here for decades. 826 02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:40,080 Once these small iconic businesses are gone, they don't come back. They get replaced by something 827 02:10:40,080 --> 02:10:46,240 generic or corporate, something that doesn't reflect the character of Hermosa Beach, 828 02:10:46,240 --> 02:10:53,600 the best little beach city in California. I respectfully urge the council to roll back 829 02:10:53,600 --> 02:10:59,920 the encroachment fee to $1 a square foot for businesses like the Green Store. 830 02:11:00,240 --> 02:11:05,760 That rate reflects the difference between neighborhood grocery stores and full service 831 02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:13,280 restaurants. It also helps ensure we don't price out the very places that give Hermosa its soul. 832 02:11:14,160 --> 02:11:24,000 Thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you. Next is Mark Peay. 833 02:11:24,160 --> 02:11:30,080 Good evening, Mayor and Council. Good to see you guys. 834 02:11:31,600 --> 02:11:37,040 I just wanted to come up here and talk about the sales on the beach opportunity. I think it's 835 02:11:37,040 --> 02:11:42,240 going to be a great opportunity for local businesses and for sponsors for the event 836 02:11:42,240 --> 02:11:46,000 in helping support both here in the community. So I think it's a great ad. 837 02:11:47,040 --> 02:11:51,440 With the alcohol on the beach, I think it's also something that we should be considering 838 02:11:51,520 --> 02:11:58,080 in working with, maybe even starting with some of the local sponsored events that the city is a 839 02:11:58,080 --> 02:12:02,960 partner with, like the Hermosa Beach Open, the music on the beach. Those could be great 840 02:12:02,960 --> 02:12:08,160 starts to really see and really get an idea of how that will work on the beach. I think it's a 841 02:12:08,160 --> 02:12:14,000 great opportunity to look into that and it's been successful for many other cities on the beach 842 02:12:14,000 --> 02:12:21,120 that I think it's worth the time and effort to put into that. I also want to express my 843 02:12:21,120 --> 02:12:26,160 support to the Green Stores Wall. I live down the street from there and I meet some of my friends 844 02:12:26,160 --> 02:12:31,440 there to have a little drink or food and stuff on the little patio there. So I think it's very 845 02:12:31,440 --> 02:12:37,200 valuable. Lawner and her family do a great job in her staff. They're really making it a community 846 02:12:37,200 --> 02:12:45,520 based location and so it's a really, really reflects what Hermosa Beach is truly about. 847 02:12:45,520 --> 02:12:52,160 I've lived here for almost 50 years now and grown up on the south side where we had 848 02:12:52,800 --> 02:12:58,800 the smaller restaurants and bars down by Second Street and the Mickey's Deli and now I live up 849 02:12:58,800 --> 02:13:05,200 by 19th and 20th streets and the same type of vibe still exists there and I think it's great 850 02:13:05,200 --> 02:13:10,000 between the restaurants we have there, the Bottle Land and the Green Stores. So if we can 851 02:13:10,000 --> 02:13:14,320 continue with that and supporting those local restaurants, that's what makes our city 852 02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:19,120 and I think that's what everybody, why we all moved here or live here now. So if we can keep 853 02:13:19,120 --> 02:13:25,680 that as much as possible, it'd be great. Thank you. Thank you. Next is Lana I. 854 02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:37,840 Hello, good evening. I don't know exactly what happened with the 855 02:13:38,640 --> 02:13:47,040 agenda tonight but I saw Elka speak and Mark speak so nicely and I left the store early, 856 02:13:47,040 --> 02:13:53,520 closed it down so I could speak to you tonight. With all the chaos that's going on in the world, 857 02:13:54,080 --> 02:13:58,480 I'm planning at a hard time that we're or I'm still wrestling with the city 858 02:13:59,120 --> 02:14:06,800 about this common sense encroachment fee that the city back in 2022 or 2023 I can't 859 02:14:06,800 --> 02:14:13,760 remember anymore, took it upon themselves to impose it on us small businesses without 860 02:14:13,760 --> 02:14:21,280 even giving us an opportunity to speak about it beforehand and to show our concern or to say 861 02:14:21,280 --> 02:14:26,480 anything. They just broadsided us with the letter saying, hey, your fees are going to be increased 862 02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:38,320 100% and when I got the letter from the city and from me, a city colleague, I was shocked and 863 02:14:38,320 --> 02:14:42,560 I reached out to Douglas Cross twice, emailed him, called him, had him come over and I was like, 864 02:14:42,560 --> 02:14:51,120 how, what basis did you guys come upon this fee and how do you increase it 100% it's absurd 865 02:14:51,120 --> 02:14:57,680 to me and he just said, yeah, there was countless meetings like how, where were we not notified 866 02:14:57,680 --> 02:14:59,920 I never got a letter, I never got anything sent 867 02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:04,100 And to me, no one came and said, you know, I'm there every day from morning until night. 868 02:15:04,100 --> 02:15:09,940 No one came and said anything. So I think the lack of transparency for us, small businesses, 869 02:15:09,940 --> 02:15:17,700 and the fact that when I heard Douglas Cross make his information to you guys, to you council 870 02:15:17,700 --> 02:15:24,940 members two weeks ago, I believe it was, at the end of after I spoke, I found it very 871 02:15:24,960 --> 02:15:30,660 disturbing because it was supposed to be information guided to you so you were informed about the 872 02:15:30,660 --> 02:15:40,060 decision. But it wasn't, it was misinformation. And I don't believe it was informative correctly 873 02:15:40,060 --> 02:15:49,700 because it was very framed, basically he, I speak fast, he, it was, there's no set criteria. 874 02:15:49,700 --> 02:15:56,200 If you all go back and listen to it, I was shocked because there's no set criteria. I heard 875 02:15:56,200 --> 02:16:04,380 he could not speak to the factors leading to the increase. He never took anything in consideration 876 02:16:04,380 --> 02:16:14,100 besides the fact that it was between retail and plaza. There was just the type of business 877 02:16:14,100 --> 02:16:20,660 and the hours of operation. So they didn't take in consideration that we don't have sun 878 02:16:20,660 --> 02:16:27,140 on our patio like over half the year. And people usually come want to sit in the sun. 879 02:16:27,140 --> 02:16:30,580 And we don't serve alcohol. We're not a, we're, I'm very different than Martha's 880 02:16:30,580 --> 02:16:35,980 and Bottle Land that serve alcohol and have table service and have all this stuff. 881 02:16:35,980 --> 02:16:42,660 My average ticket is different than theirs, but that's irrelevant. Even my business 882 02:16:42,740 --> 02:16:46,700 is very, oh sorry, so it's time finished. Even my business is very different than Mickey's, 883 02:16:46,700 --> 02:16:50,020 but I think factors were not considered. Sorry for going over. 884 02:16:50,020 --> 02:16:51,020 Thank you. 885 02:16:51,020 --> 02:16:58,500 We didn't receive any additional speaker cards. 886 02:16:58,500 --> 02:17:03,260 One more in chambers. Your Honor, you might want to announce again what the action was. 887 02:17:03,260 --> 02:17:07,820 I'm sorry. You might want to announce again what the action was to remove. Oh yes, 888 02:17:07,820 --> 02:17:15,100 of course. 17C was moved to the next meeting, which a future meeting, a future meeting. 889 02:17:15,100 --> 02:17:22,380 So I was going to bring this up during Council Member Comet. So I'll wait until then and 890 02:17:22,380 --> 02:17:26,460 then address that. So please stick around for a little bit. Please. Thank you. Eric. 891 02:17:26,460 --> 02:17:33,020 Good evening, Mr. Mayor. Council, staff. It's good to see you guys. I agree with 892 02:17:33,060 --> 02:17:39,340 what Elka Warner said. I'll just mark that for future use. I think that these are two 893 02:17:39,340 --> 02:17:45,780 businesses, they're two of our oldest. These are pillars of our town. I think what we heard 894 02:17:45,780 --> 02:17:51,460 from Lana is the story of somebody who is trying to make it work and trying to create 895 02:17:51,460 --> 02:17:56,140 a convening place in the north end of town, and I think she excels at that. I will 896 02:17:56,140 --> 02:18:00,700 say I grew up on the south end of town, and me and my friends would always hang 897 02:18:00,740 --> 02:18:05,580 out at Mickey's. Maybe somebody would buy a meatball sub, but a lot of times we just hung 898 02:18:05,580 --> 02:18:09,540 out at those benches. You didn't actually need to buy anything really to access those 899 02:18:09,540 --> 02:18:13,780 benches. You don't need to go into the store to access the patio. People are just hanging 900 02:18:13,780 --> 02:18:20,460 out there. It is practically public space. I think that either lowering the fees for 901 02:18:20,460 --> 02:18:26,620 these two or waving them would be a nice gesture. Later in the evening, my understanding 902 02:18:26,620 --> 02:18:32,820 is that you are considering retiring the 2022 economic development strategy. Now, I'm 903 02:18:32,820 --> 02:18:37,060 sure that this doesn't mean that you are just throwing in the towel on economic 904 02:18:37,060 --> 02:18:42,700 development and that you intend to think about as a council how to move forward 905 02:18:42,700 --> 02:18:49,860 with advancing the business priorities of our town, but I would offer that at 906 02:18:49,860 --> 02:18:55,100 Mayor Siemens Town Hall, there was a commenter that suggested doing a town 907 02:18:55,140 --> 02:18:59,580 hall just on business concerns. Now, I've been thinking about this for a while. We 908 02:18:59,580 --> 02:19:05,460 have a structure in council manager form of government where it's very hard to 909 02:19:05,460 --> 02:19:11,020 actually put broad agenda items on the calendar. The tool that seems most 910 02:19:11,020 --> 02:19:16,020 applicable to taking a strategic look at, say, economic development is the study 911 02:19:16,020 --> 02:19:21,020 session. My recommendation to you would be if you do intend to retire the 912 02:19:21,060 --> 02:19:26,300 economic development strategy, you should at one of the next city council 913 02:19:26,300 --> 02:19:31,620 meetings hold a study session on economic development. You should specifically 914 02:19:31,620 --> 02:19:35,580 inform the chamber to bring their priorities forward. You should inform 915 02:19:35,580 --> 02:19:40,100 local businesses. You should inform the public. When you broaden an agenda item 916 02:19:40,100 --> 02:19:47,660 and make a specific council session about that topic, you bring more people 917 02:19:47,700 --> 02:19:51,740 into the chambers to speak. I think it would be a good idea to do that. We heard 918 02:19:51,740 --> 02:19:56,900 earlier that the chamber is still looking at doing a TID for advertising for 919 02:19:56,900 --> 02:20:00,860 Hermosa Beach, especially in the run-ups to the World Cup and the Olympics. I 920 02:20:00,860 --> 02:20:03,820 would very much like, again, to hear from our city manager about what his 921 02:20:03,820 --> 02:20:07,380 colleagues are doing in Manhattan Beach at a local level to think about 922 02:20:07,380 --> 02:20:12,340 using that opportunity, the Olympics, to drive economic development in Manhattan 923 02:20:12,340 --> 02:20:14,900 Beach and what we can be learning and doing here in Hermosa Beach to 924 02:20:14,940 --> 02:20:19,500 replicate those efforts. I would also be interested if we're trying to gauge 925 02:20:19,500 --> 02:20:23,780 where the public and where our businesses are at on the effectiveness of the 926 02:20:23,780 --> 02:20:28,500 economic development strategy, doing a survey. Do a survey either to businesses 927 02:20:28,500 --> 02:20:32,300 or to the public. I know that they do them in Manhattan Beach. My belief is 928 02:20:32,300 --> 02:20:35,180 that the city manager would like to do one. I urge you to appropriate the 929 02:20:35,180 --> 02:20:38,100 resources to do so. It's a good bang for your buck. Thank you. 930 02:20:38,100 --> 02:20:41,940 Next is Laura Pena. 931 02:20:48,780 --> 02:20:53,380 Hi. I wasn't planning on, well, I was planning on speaking on the encroachment, 932 02:20:53,380 --> 02:20:58,500 but that got moved. I understand. I won't be here for your next meeting in 933 02:20:58,500 --> 02:21:03,380 person, so I know you guys are sad about that. I'm here to talk about the 934 02:21:03,380 --> 02:21:08,380 encroachments. I have received a tremendous amount of feedback from our 935 02:21:08,380 --> 02:21:11,980 community on this one issue, and so that's why I feel because Lone has taken the 936 02:21:11,980 --> 02:21:17,260 effort to come here twice to speak to you guys how important this is. 1914. 937 02:21:17,260 --> 02:21:23,180 That's how old the green story is. I'm wearing this hat because when I went to 938 02:21:23,180 --> 02:21:28,940 the state of the city and the town hall, it talked about our business 939 02:21:28,980 --> 02:21:33,180 community. It talked about the long-standing iconic businesses that we 940 02:21:33,180 --> 02:21:39,780 have here, and I'm thinking we should want to do everything we can to keep 941 02:21:39,780 --> 02:21:45,420 them thriving and supporting our community. One of the things I noticed on our 942 02:21:45,420 --> 02:21:48,820 Economic Development Strategy Progress Report is we haven't had a lot of 943 02:21:48,820 --> 02:21:53,700 progress on the placemaking, and I go, oh, well, why not? We don't have 944 02:21:53,700 --> 02:22:01,980 resources. Got it. When I look at it now, it talks about the city does endeavor to 945 02:22:01,980 --> 02:22:07,700 activate underutilized spaces, and I'm thinking this is a great opportunity. 946 02:22:07,700 --> 02:22:13,500 People go to Mickey's deli. Since 1953, that's been open. People go to the 947 02:22:13,500 --> 02:22:19,260 green store, and so I'm thinking why don't we look at this differently? 948 02:22:19,260 --> 02:22:22,900 Rather than looking at, well, we're going to subsidize their costs to 949 02:22:22,900 --> 02:22:27,860 their space, why don't we look at it as an opportunity for placemaking? 950 02:22:27,860 --> 02:22:31,540 Because when I went to the green store before they had their outside dining 951 02:22:31,540 --> 02:22:35,220 deck, I would go grab a sandwich, go on the beach. Now I go there to meet 952 02:22:35,220 --> 02:22:40,660 community. Just this weekend on Saturday, it was packed, and a lot of 953 02:22:40,660 --> 02:22:45,020 it was because of the weather. Just this weekend, it was amazing because 954 02:22:45,020 --> 02:22:49,460 the community came out there with their kids. Some people got up and 955 02:22:49,500 --> 02:22:53,340 moved the tables and chairs so that other people could sit, and we were 956 02:22:53,340 --> 02:22:58,220 such a tight community. This is who we are. This is not just a hat that 957 02:22:58,220 --> 02:23:01,580 we wear. It's who we are because it's what we believe in. And in that 958 02:23:01,580 --> 02:23:05,700 beautiful video, Mayor, that you had, and you showed the green store, 959 02:23:05,700 --> 02:23:10,820 you showed Mickey's deli, we should not just show them. We should 960 02:23:10,820 --> 02:23:16,460 embrace them. And one way to do that is to help them. A dollar per 961 02:23:16,460 --> 02:23:20,900 square foot, right now with insurance premiums going up, cost of 962 02:23:20,900 --> 02:23:24,620 goods. As a business owner, I understand these things. And you may 963 02:23:24,620 --> 02:23:28,700 think that these little things don't make a difference. Fixed costs 964 02:23:28,700 --> 02:23:34,300 do. So anything that you can do to help Spider Surfboard, who we 965 02:23:34,300 --> 02:23:38,060 were very busy this weekend, but I noticed that there was a big 966 02:23:38,060 --> 02:23:41,580 empty space. That would have been a wonderful place for them to 967 02:23:41,580 --> 02:23:45,580 come out. We say we support retail. Why don't we support our 968 02:23:45,580 --> 02:23:50,780 retail that needs us now? Thank you. Thank you. 969 02:23:57,060 --> 02:23:58,420 We'll move over to Zoom. 970 02:24:00,500 --> 02:24:05,580 Good evening, John Barry. Two things. One, to talk briefly about 971 02:24:05,580 --> 02:24:11,540 the Chamber contract that you discussed at the last meeting. The 972 02:24:11,540 --> 02:24:15,180 Chamber's financial position is substantially worse than you were 973 02:24:15,220 --> 02:24:22,540 told last week. It's almost 75% possibly double the loss last year 974 02:24:22,540 --> 02:24:28,100 if you take it on a cruel basis based on the checks that they 975 02:24:28,100 --> 02:24:33,980 didn't write for the liabilities in 25. So they made a loss of 976 02:24:33,980 --> 02:24:39,700 somewhere between $150,000 and $190,000 last year. Now why is 977 02:24:39,700 --> 02:24:44,180 that interesting in the context of the contract? What you 978 02:24:44,180 --> 02:24:47,540 did was you wrote a contract that you'd either describe as a 979 02:24:47,540 --> 02:24:52,300 three-year deal with a reviewer one year and two years, or it's 980 02:24:52,300 --> 02:24:56,300 a one-year deal with two renewals. I just want to nudge you 981 02:24:56,300 --> 02:25:01,540 to say just make sure that you will view that contract in 982 02:25:01,540 --> 02:25:06,020 enough time that if you did want to RFP those events 983 02:25:06,020 --> 02:25:10,220 next year, you have enough time to do that and set up to 984 02:25:10,220 --> 02:25:14,580 do it. Because otherwise it's an academic thing. We were in the 985 02:25:14,580 --> 02:25:19,060 same place last year as we are this year where the parade was 986 02:25:19,060 --> 02:25:23,500 almost upon us and there isn't an option. So it's just a 987 02:25:23,500 --> 02:25:28,900 nudge to say please have that review in September or October 988 02:25:28,900 --> 02:25:32,860 and then perhaps if you did want to RFP those events 989 02:25:32,860 --> 02:25:36,300 out to a third party contractor, you'd have enough time. The 990 02:25:36,300 --> 02:25:40,500 other thing I wanted to mention, I've been spending some time 991 02:25:40,500 --> 02:25:47,380 with the groups in Laundale and Redondo who amazingly managed 992 02:25:47,380 --> 02:25:53,820 to defy the odds over the Metro sea line extension and defeat 993 02:25:53,820 --> 02:25:59,700 what looked like an inevitable choice of the row option. And 994 02:25:59,700 --> 02:26:03,220 it's an inspiration for any citizen group that thinks 995 02:26:03,220 --> 02:26:05,380 that the odds are against them and they can't do 996 02:26:05,420 --> 02:26:10,100 anything about something. And they asked me to pass a message 997 02:26:10,100 --> 02:26:14,500 on tonight to you, Mike Detoy, because you're going to be the 998 02:26:14,500 --> 02:26:19,060 next mayor of this city probably. And they asked that you 999 02:26:19,060 --> 02:26:22,980 might give them the consideration or the courtesy of 1000 02:26:22,980 --> 02:26:26,740 explaining the single dissenting vote that you 1001 02:26:26,740 --> 02:26:33,260 cast against our neighbors in favor of the row option. Against 1002 02:26:33,260 --> 02:26:38,060 our neighbors who supported us when we needed them on oil and 1003 02:26:38,060 --> 02:26:42,340 will undoubtedly need them in the future. So you said not one 1004 02:26:42,340 --> 02:26:47,300 word in the session, not one word to explain your vote, and 1005 02:26:47,300 --> 02:26:50,260 you're going to be the next mayor. So give them a ring or 1006 02:26:50,260 --> 02:26:54,380 write them a letter or have the courtesy to sit there and 1007 02:26:54,380 --> 02:26:57,540 explain your vote. They'd really appreciate it. Thank you. 1008 02:26:58,380 --> 02:27:03,380 Moving over to Zoom, we have Nancy Schwaupach. 1009 02:27:12,380 --> 02:27:18,380 Hi, I am someone who is super, super supportive of 1010 02:27:18,380 --> 02:27:24,380 transparency in government and moving agenda item 17c related 1011 02:27:25,220 --> 02:27:31,220 to the dining decks. That was super confusing. I don't know 1012 02:27:31,220 --> 02:27:36,220 what open quote, the email, close quote was all about, which 1013 02:27:36,220 --> 02:27:40,020 led you guys to continue this. That could have used some 1014 02:27:40,020 --> 02:27:47,020 explanation. But if Lana and other businesses are paying a 1015 02:27:47,020 --> 02:27:51,500 higher fee for another month, instead of getting a reduction 1016 02:27:51,500 --> 02:27:56,100 30 days from now, I am with council member Francois. Why not do 1017 02:27:56,100 --> 02:28:00,820 that and give them the lower fee even for a month and then 1018 02:28:00,820 --> 02:28:05,740 figure it out. But again, not knowing what the email was, that 1019 02:28:05,740 --> 02:28:11,260 was super weird. Sorry. My main point of talking tonight was 1020 02:28:11,260 --> 02:28:16,660 to thank Mayor Seaman for his town hall. I really 1021 02:28:16,700 --> 02:28:20,980 appreciate the opportunity for civil engagement. And then I 1022 02:28:20,980 --> 02:28:24,500 really like to thank Joe San Clemente and his team in 1023 02:28:24,500 --> 02:28:29,140 public works, Brandon, Brianna and Andrew. We had our first 1024 02:28:29,140 --> 02:28:34,140 shovels in the ground on Monday for the North Hermosa 1025 02:28:34,140 --> 02:28:37,500 under utility undergrounding district. It's a project that's 1026 02:28:37,500 --> 02:28:42,460 been in the works since 2014. And we literally had shovels 1027 02:28:42,460 --> 02:28:46,340 in the ground on Monday. Much to the consternation of 1028 02:28:46,340 --> 02:28:50,220 everybody. It's really loud, but we are so grateful. And it 1029 02:28:50,220 --> 02:28:52,780 couldn't have happened without Joe's team. And they are 1030 02:28:52,820 --> 02:28:56,020 awesome. And we're so grateful. And then I reached out 1031 02:28:56,020 --> 02:29:00,340 today to Guillermo in the building department related to 1032 02:29:00,340 --> 02:29:04,780 private conversions. It's complicated. But he is all on 1033 02:29:04,780 --> 02:29:09,380 board. He's providing as much information upfront as is 1034 02:29:09,380 --> 02:29:13,340 reasonable to do. And he's standing by to respond as 1035 02:29:13,340 --> 02:29:18,300 needed. And I just want to say, in my opinion, this is now a 1036 02:29:18,300 --> 02:29:24,500 city which gets stuff done. And I am so grateful for that. 1037 02:29:24,860 --> 02:29:26,660 Thank you to everybody. 1038 02:29:28,460 --> 02:29:29,060 Thank you. 1039 02:29:31,340 --> 02:29:32,740 Next is Tony Higgins. 1040 02:29:37,300 --> 02:29:43,140 Yeah, hello. I wasn't gonna call in tonight, but listening 1041 02:29:43,140 --> 02:29:55,780 to the reordering of the agenda on 17C patio encroachments, I 1042 02:29:55,780 --> 02:29:59,780 sure hope that you're going to provide 1043 02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:11,800 In the earth helpful comments. A good substantial explanation of why it was removed from the agenda 1044 02:30:11,800 --> 02:30:25,080 or put to a later date at the last moment. Because you know and I know that testimony has a shelf 1045 02:30:25,080 --> 02:30:36,400 life. And all these people that have come down to testify now or to speak on behalf of reducing 1046 02:30:36,400 --> 02:30:46,640 the encroachment fees, you know, that is going to fade into the memory very easily. So I think 1047 02:30:46,640 --> 02:30:57,920 we deserve an explanation, a precise explanation of why the agenda item was moved at the last 1048 02:30:57,920 --> 02:31:13,040 possible minute. We need to understand that that patio is a community space. It's not a 1049 02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:19,080 dining facility or any of that other stuff that you've heard over and over. I can't tell 1050 02:31:19,080 --> 02:31:27,980 you how many times I've been down there and seen 16-agers sitting at one of the tables 1051 02:31:27,980 --> 02:31:37,200 sharing a bag of potato chips. That's community. I would also like to point out that even 1052 02:31:37,200 --> 02:31:45,840 if you go or to reduce it to $1 per square foot per month, I looked at the staff report 1053 02:31:45,840 --> 02:31:57,400 just now, it would still cost slana for almost $4,000 a year for that patio. It's 312 square 1054 02:31:57,400 --> 02:32:07,680 feet times $1 times 12 months. So it's still a substantial expense. I hope you give us an 1055 02:32:07,680 --> 02:32:13,240 explanation of why this was put off. Thank you. 1056 02:32:13,240 --> 02:32:15,240 Thank you, Tony. 1057 02:32:15,240 --> 02:32:18,240 Next is Ann Gotthoffer. 1058 02:32:18,240 --> 02:32:29,560 Yes, hi. Good evening. My name is Ann Gotthoffer, as you said. And granted, this proposal seems 1059 02:32:29,560 --> 02:32:36,760 very innocuous on its face. And of course, we all support local businesses such as Mickey's 1060 02:32:36,760 --> 02:32:42,920 and the Green Store. I understand the issue is not being decided tonight, but when I 1061 02:32:42,960 --> 02:32:48,720 realized some others were speaking on it, I thought I'd go ahead and throw in my two cents 1062 02:32:48,720 --> 02:32:57,220 something to think about for a future meeting. My concern is that this could be a slippery 1063 02:32:57,220 --> 02:33:07,720 slope with more than these two or three places eventually benefiting. Perhaps the locations 1064 02:33:07,720 --> 02:33:14,840 that it could apply to should be more clear. For example, will restaurants on Pier Plaza 1065 02:33:14,840 --> 02:33:21,680 be able to offer takeout type service and pay very little for the use of our public space? 1066 02:33:21,680 --> 02:33:28,080 I mean, who would be monitoring if people are bringing their alcohol outside or if 1067 02:33:28,080 --> 02:33:36,760 a waitress steps outside to drop off an appetizer, etc.? So I know it doesn't seem 1068 02:33:36,800 --> 02:33:43,120 like much loss of revenue to the city. I'd agree with that. But I'm just concerned that it could 1069 02:33:43,120 --> 02:33:50,120 end up costing us a lot more revenue in the future. Thank you. 1070 02:33:50,120 --> 02:33:59,120 Thank you, Ann. Just a reminder that if you are joining us by phone to dial star 1071 02:33:59,120 --> 02:34:06,120 9 to raise your virtual hand. Mr. Mayor, I don't see any additional speakers. 1072 02:34:07,120 --> 02:34:13,120 All right. Thank you. And none left in chambers? Okay, seeing none, I'll close the public 1073 02:34:13,120 --> 02:34:24,120 comment. Bring it back to council for councilmember comments. Before we start, I think I'd like 1074 02:34:24,120 --> 02:34:35,120 to address Alana Elka, Mark, Eric, and Laura, everyone who spoke on the fee adjustments 17C. 1075 02:34:35,120 --> 02:34:42,120 I voted to postpone this because I thought there might be more information that might 1076 02:34:42,120 --> 02:34:47,120 be pertinent to this particular issue. And I thought that one meeting, if it was a couple 1077 02:34:47,120 --> 02:34:54,120 of weeks away, hopefully it would be our next meeting, would not make much impact economically 1078 02:34:55,120 --> 02:35:02,120 to any of the businesses. I think I'm sorry that you all had to come down here and speak 1079 02:35:02,120 --> 02:35:07,120 at this and then maybe not be able to come back when this comes up again. I hope you 1080 02:35:07,120 --> 02:35:14,120 do. I think that your public comments is important and credible and should be heard. 1081 02:35:15,120 --> 02:35:20,120 And it's true that sometimes public comment only has a shelf life to it and once it's out 1082 02:35:20,120 --> 02:35:25,120 there, it just kind of loses some of its power maybe over a few weeks. I hope that's not 1083 02:35:25,120 --> 02:35:30,120 the case. I honestly do. I would please ask you all to come back again when this issue 1084 02:35:30,120 --> 02:35:36,120 comes around. I would have been happy to hear this. I was kind of excited to hear 1085 02:35:36,120 --> 02:35:41,120 it tonight and discuss it. But I think that if there is information that might 1086 02:35:41,120 --> 02:35:46,120 help us, something else that we haven't heard yet, I think it's worth a wait for 1087 02:35:46,120 --> 02:35:51,120 a couple of weeks, which I hope that is the case and it's not a month or two months 1088 02:35:51,120 --> 02:35:59,120 and so on. So appreciate your words. I agree with you. When I was 20-some years old 1089 02:35:59,120 --> 02:36:03,120 and a bachelor, I lived across the street on the most avenue from the Green 1090 02:36:03,120 --> 02:36:07,120 Store. That place was our lifeline for food and beer and everything in life at 1091 02:36:08,120 --> 02:36:13,120 the Green Store. None of us had cars or money and transportation to go up to 1092 02:36:13,120 --> 02:36:19,120 Vons or whatever the market was back in those days. It was 1969 or 70 and that's 1093 02:36:19,120 --> 02:36:24,120 my recollection of the early days of the Green Store and Mickey's too, but 1094 02:36:24,120 --> 02:36:28,120 nonetheless the Green Store. So I appreciate everything you said. I agree 1095 02:36:28,120 --> 02:36:33,120 with you and I hope you do come back because this is an important issue. 1096 02:36:33,120 --> 02:36:38,120 This is, as it was mentioned about at the city, state of the city, those places 1097 02:36:38,120 --> 02:36:44,120 are our heart, our soul. This is our city here and nobody, I don't think 1098 02:36:44,120 --> 02:36:48,120 anybody wants any of them to disappear. We want to help those businesses. 1099 02:36:48,120 --> 02:36:52,120 So we'll have to wait and see when it comes back around again, but please 1100 02:36:52,120 --> 02:36:57,120 be patient. We will hear it again and I hope you all come back. 1101 02:36:57,120 --> 02:37:01,120 So that's what I have to say about that. Anyone else have any comments? 1102 02:37:01,120 --> 02:37:02,120 Yes. 1103 02:37:02,120 --> 02:37:03,120 Thank you. 1104 02:37:03,120 --> 02:37:06,120 Excuse me. Not yet, but Councilman Detoy. 1105 02:37:06,120 --> 02:37:07,120 Thank you. 1106 02:37:07,120 --> 02:37:10,120 As it said at the beginning of the meeting, we did receive an email at 11 a.m. 1107 02:37:10,120 --> 02:37:14,120 today for your public records request to make it easy. Go into the city council 1108 02:37:14,120 --> 02:37:18,120 and to the city manager and I'll read verbatim. That said, I am asking you 1109 02:37:18,120 --> 02:37:21,120 that you please do not make any finality of the public right away. Use 1110 02:37:21,120 --> 02:37:25,120 the slash rental until we can meet and go over how it will negatively impact 1111 02:37:25,120 --> 02:37:28,120 our constituents and shareholders. And then at the end of the email, 1112 02:37:28,120 --> 02:37:32,120 please, can you please put a hold on the rate for plaza slash business 1113 02:37:32,120 --> 02:37:36,120 use a pedestrian right of way until we can all meet. And again, this is 1114 02:37:36,120 --> 02:37:41,120 from a business owner of one that is impacted. So with those two please, 1115 02:37:41,120 --> 02:37:46,120 that was the whole idea about pushing this item until we were all able 1116 02:37:46,120 --> 02:37:49,120 to meet with said business owner. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 1117 02:37:49,120 --> 02:37:52,120 Thank you. I think that's important information. Thank you for providing 1118 02:37:52,120 --> 02:37:55,120 that. Any other comments? Yes. 1119 02:37:56,120 --> 02:37:59,120 I appreciate you sharing that email because it is frustrating for 1120 02:37:59,120 --> 02:38:03,120 members of the public when we talk about emails we receive. 1121 02:38:03,120 --> 02:38:07,120 In the spirit of the Brown Act, if we receive an email and it forces 1122 02:38:07,120 --> 02:38:12,120 us to change a position or develop, we should reveal those things. 1123 02:38:12,120 --> 02:38:18,120 You know, we've been through this issue twice now on 1124 02:38:18,120 --> 02:38:22,120 an agendized item. Now we've delayed it once. 1125 02:38:23,120 --> 02:38:27,120 At the last time we met on it, three of us on the council 1126 02:38:27,120 --> 02:38:31,120 agreed to a compromise to bring it from $250 down to $2. 1127 02:38:31,120 --> 02:38:33,120 I don't know why we couldn't have done that tonight. 1128 02:38:33,120 --> 02:38:37,120 There's nothing new in that email that suggests anything different. 1129 02:38:37,120 --> 02:38:40,120 We can do something in the future that different. 1130 02:38:40,120 --> 02:38:44,120 And, you know, it's too bad we can't do that. 1131 02:38:44,120 --> 02:38:48,120 But eventually we can't just keep continuing things all the time. 1132 02:38:49,120 --> 02:38:52,120 We don't seem to move ahead in this city if we're going to continue 1133 02:38:52,120 --> 02:38:57,120 to do that. So, you know, I'm sorry that it's going to be that way. 1134 02:38:57,120 --> 02:39:00,120 Could I just ask the city manager, when we come back with that 1135 02:39:00,120 --> 02:39:06,120 report, can we have a better delineation of that third row 1136 02:39:06,120 --> 02:39:09,120 category because that's what we're talking about, the different 1137 02:39:09,120 --> 02:39:13,120 rates and different definitions of that third row on that box. 1138 02:39:13,120 --> 02:39:16,120 Because I think that's what we're coming down to, how to 1139 02:39:16,120 --> 02:39:20,120 define those categories and what kind of rates we're going to come up with. 1140 02:39:20,120 --> 02:39:25,120 We'll add what was proposed as the action item, and then it's up to 1141 02:39:25,120 --> 02:39:29,120 council, though, whether to follow through with what was proposed, 1142 02:39:29,120 --> 02:39:30,120 lower it, raise it. 1143 02:39:30,120 --> 02:39:34,120 Right. Because it's my third category there where it says 1144 02:39:34,120 --> 02:39:40,120 off-peer, on-peer, retail, service with food, you know, 1145 02:39:40,120 --> 02:39:43,120 all different categories in there that have been kind of flushed out 1146 02:39:43,120 --> 02:39:46,120 and social media has made it look like we're raising the rates. 1147 02:39:46,120 --> 02:39:47,120 We're actually working. 1148 02:39:47,120 --> 02:39:49,120 Enjoyers are working to lower those rates. 1149 02:39:49,120 --> 02:39:51,120 So, I just wanted to clarify that. 1150 02:39:51,120 --> 02:39:52,120 Thank you. 1151 02:39:52,120 --> 02:39:54,120 Any other comments? 1152 02:39:54,120 --> 02:39:56,120 Mayor, thank you. 1153 02:39:56,120 --> 02:40:00,120 I just wanted to address a couple of things on the comments. 1154 02:40:00,120 --> 02:40:04,120 And one was about the Olympics and the World Cup and things 1155 02:40:04,120 --> 02:40:05,120 like that. 1156 02:40:05,120 --> 02:40:08,120 And I did want to mention that Santa Monica was vying to 1157 02:40:08,120 --> 02:40:12,120 have the volleyball and they got a study back when they 1158 02:40:12,120 --> 02:40:14,120 were looking at hosting the volleyball, which is now going to 1159 02:40:14,120 --> 02:40:15,120 be in Long Beach. 1160 02:40:15,120 --> 02:40:19,120 And the study that they commissioned said that if they would 1161 02:40:19,120 --> 02:40:23,120 have gotten the volleyball, which they didn't eventually, 1162 02:40:23,120 --> 02:40:25,120 because maybe they didn't offer enough to the committee, 1163 02:40:25,120 --> 02:40:29,120 they would have lost $10 million. 1164 02:40:29,120 --> 02:40:32,120 I'm sorry, $1.4 million they would have lost. 1165 02:40:32,120 --> 02:40:36,120 And by not having the volleyball, they think they'll get 1166 02:40:36,120 --> 02:40:39,120 $10 million in profit from just additional tourism that would 1167 02:40:39,120 --> 02:40:42,120 come to the city just because it's the Olympics and there is 1168 02:40:42,120 --> 02:40:44,120 a desirable place to go. 1169 02:40:44,120 --> 02:40:47,120 So, I think we're going about it currently with the staff 1170 02:40:47,120 --> 02:40:50,120 going to meetings with LA 28 and we're in a measured approach 1171 02:40:50,120 --> 02:40:53,120 and we probably want to lean towards how do we attract 1172 02:40:53,120 --> 02:40:56,120 tourism as opposed to official events because we might 1173 02:40:56,120 --> 02:41:01,120 end up having to pay to get them and get in a net loss 1174 02:41:01,120 --> 02:41:03,120 situation like Santa Monica was looking at. 1175 02:41:03,120 --> 02:41:06,120 And I wanted to also mention the patio encroachments. 1176 02:41:06,120 --> 02:41:09,120 I brought that forward as a motion a couple of months ago 1177 02:41:09,120 --> 02:41:11,120 and we're still working through it. 1178 02:41:11,120 --> 02:41:13,120 And I'm sorry we didn't hear that tonight, Lana. 1179 02:41:13,120 --> 02:41:17,120 I know I spoke to you today and I've spoke to you several times. 1180 02:41:17,120 --> 02:41:21,120 And so, and I also spoke to Dennis Jarvis yesterday 1181 02:41:21,120 --> 02:41:23,120 and he did want to delay this also. 1182 02:41:23,120 --> 02:41:26,120 And he's the owner of Spider Surfwear. 1183 02:41:26,120 --> 02:41:30,120 One of the partners there with his partner, Dickey. 1184 02:41:30,120 --> 02:41:34,120 And I want to mention when we do do this encroachment 1185 02:41:34,120 --> 02:41:37,120 change I'll be making sure we make in the motion that 1186 02:41:37,120 --> 02:41:41,120 any savings is retroactive to January so that these people 1187 02:41:41,120 --> 02:41:44,120 aren't losing money and it can be credited back through 1188 02:41:44,120 --> 02:41:45,120 accounting. 1189 02:41:45,120 --> 02:41:47,120 In other words, they're not losing time because we would 1190 02:41:47,120 --> 02:41:49,120 have heard the one tonight and it would be over 1191 02:41:49,120 --> 02:41:51,120 and they'd already be implementing it. 1192 02:41:51,120 --> 02:41:54,120 So, I'll be asking it for it to be retroactive the savings 1193 02:41:54,120 --> 02:41:57,120 if there is voted there is any savings at all. 1194 02:41:57,120 --> 02:41:59,120 So, I hope I can get my colleagues to agree to 1195 02:41:59,120 --> 02:42:02,120 something like that when and if we make that decision. 1196 02:42:02,120 --> 02:42:03,120 Thank you. 1197 02:42:03,120 --> 02:42:05,120 Thank you, Councilman Keegan. 1198 02:42:05,120 --> 02:42:07,120 And I totally agree with your last comment about making 1199 02:42:07,120 --> 02:42:08,120 it retroactive. 1200 02:42:08,120 --> 02:42:10,120 I don't see why that couldn't happen. 1201 02:42:10,120 --> 02:42:11,120 All right. 1202 02:42:11,120 --> 02:42:15,120 One last thing that I would like to make a comment about 1203 02:42:15,120 --> 02:42:20,120 Eric mentioned having a study session on economic 1204 02:42:20,120 --> 02:42:24,120 development and it was also mentioned about having 1205 02:42:24,120 --> 02:42:27,120 another town hall meeting that was specific about 1206 02:42:27,120 --> 02:42:28,120 economic development. 1207 02:42:28,120 --> 02:42:30,120 I think those are both pretty good ideas. 1208 02:42:30,120 --> 02:42:35,120 Mr. City Manager, would it be possible to just come 1209 02:42:35,120 --> 02:42:38,120 back with a report about the feasibility of having 1210 02:42:38,120 --> 02:42:41,120 either another town hall about economics or an 1211 02:42:41,120 --> 02:42:45,120 economic development or a study session on that? 1212 02:42:45,120 --> 02:42:47,120 Your Honor, I don't think we need a report. 1213 02:42:47,120 --> 02:42:48,120 We can certainly do that. 1214 02:42:48,120 --> 02:42:51,120 It's going to be at the discretion of Council. 1215 02:42:51,120 --> 02:42:54,120 We'll have a new mayor at that time and whatever 1216 02:42:54,120 --> 02:42:56,120 Council directs we will follow up with. 1217 02:42:57,120 --> 02:43:00,120 It will be up, we'll leave it to the mayor or Council 1218 02:43:00,120 --> 02:43:02,120 whichever wants to put on a forum. 1219 02:43:02,120 --> 02:43:04,120 If you want a study session that would require all 1220 02:43:04,120 --> 02:43:08,120 the Council and it's just a matter of putting together 1221 02:43:08,120 --> 02:43:11,120 the schedule for that. 1222 02:43:11,120 --> 02:43:12,120 Great. 1223 02:43:12,120 --> 02:43:14,120 I'd like to explore those ideas and see if it's 1224 02:43:14,120 --> 02:43:15,120 viable. 1225 02:43:15,120 --> 02:43:16,120 All right. 1226 02:43:16,120 --> 02:43:17,120 Great. 1227 02:43:17,120 --> 02:43:18,120 Thank you so much. 1228 02:43:18,120 --> 02:43:19,120 No other public comments? 1229 02:43:19,120 --> 02:43:21,120 No other questions or comments from Council? 1230 02:43:21,120 --> 02:43:23,120 Councilman Jackson. 1231 02:43:23,120 --> 02:43:24,120 Apologize. 1232 02:43:24,120 --> 02:43:27,120 I'd just like to say greetings from Half Moon Bay. 1233 02:43:27,120 --> 02:43:30,120 The California Coastal Commission is celebrating 1234 02:43:30,120 --> 02:43:35,120 its 50th year of the implementation of the Coastal 1235 02:43:35,120 --> 02:43:36,120 Act. 1236 02:43:36,120 --> 02:43:39,120 That's 50 years of Coastal Protection, Public 1237 02:43:39,120 --> 02:43:42,120 Access, and Community Voices. 1238 02:43:42,120 --> 02:43:44,120 So we are working hard to protect all this 1239 02:43:44,120 --> 02:43:48,120 near and dear to our coastline for all to 1240 02:43:48,120 --> 02:43:49,120 enjoy. 1241 02:43:49,120 --> 02:43:52,120 So that is why I am taking this meeting 1242 02:43:52,120 --> 02:43:53,120 to be a Zoom. 1243 02:43:53,120 --> 02:43:54,120 Great. 1244 02:43:54,120 --> 02:43:55,120 Thank you, sir. 1245 02:43:55,120 --> 02:44:00,120 Sometimes when you're here on Zoom, it's kind of, 1246 02:44:00,120 --> 02:44:02,120 it's a tendency to forget that you're there 1247 02:44:02,120 --> 02:44:04,120 because you're not sitting here physically. 1248 02:44:04,120 --> 02:44:06,120 So apologize if I've done that. 1249 02:44:06,120 --> 02:44:08,120 Thank you for your comments. 1250 02:44:08,120 --> 02:44:10,120 And I'll keep an eye on the screen. 1251 02:44:10,120 --> 02:44:13,120 Make sure you get a chance to speak. 1252 02:44:13,120 --> 02:44:14,120 Okay. 1253 02:44:14,120 --> 02:44:16,120 Public comments be closed then. 1254 02:44:16,120 --> 02:44:18,120 And let's move on to item number 14. 1255 02:44:18,120 --> 02:44:20,120 Can I make one more comment, Mr. Mayor? 1256 02:44:20,120 --> 02:44:21,120 Thank you. 1257 02:44:21,120 --> 02:44:22,120 Sure. 1258 02:44:22,120 --> 02:44:24,120 Since it was brought up. 1259 02:44:24,120 --> 02:44:27,120 I have a community forum scheduled on March 12th, 1260 02:44:27,120 --> 02:44:30,120 so we could incorporate economic development 1261 02:44:30,120 --> 02:44:33,120 into that community forum for that date 1262 02:44:33,120 --> 02:44:35,120 that's here in the council chambers coming up. 1263 02:44:35,120 --> 02:44:36,120 So thank you. 1264 02:44:36,120 --> 02:44:37,120 All right. 1265 02:44:37,120 --> 02:44:38,120 Thank you for that. 1266 02:44:38,120 --> 02:44:41,120 Let's move on to item 14, updates on city council. 1267 02:44:41,120 --> 02:44:45,120 Madam City Clerk. 1268 02:44:45,120 --> 02:44:48,120 Item 14, updates on city council activities. 1269 02:44:48,120 --> 02:44:50,120 This is the time for members of the city council 1270 02:44:50,120 --> 02:44:53,120 to report on their attendance at ad hoc subcommittees 1271 02:44:53,120 --> 02:44:55,120 or standing committee meetings, conferences 1272 02:44:55,120 --> 02:44:58,120 or other official activities as city representatives. 1273 02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:08,760 Great, thank you. Do any of my colleagues have any updates? None? Councilman Jackson? No? Okay. 1274 02:45:08,760 --> 02:45:14,040 Seeing none then, let's move on to 15, the consent calendar. Motion to approve, Mr. Mayor. 1275 02:45:14,040 --> 02:45:24,280 Have a motion and a second. Madam City Clerk, please open the voting. Roll call. 1276 02:45:24,280 --> 02:45:32,160 Councilmember Francois? Yes. Councilmember Keegan? Aye. Councilmember Jackson? Aye. Mayor Protem-Ditoi? 1277 02:45:32,160 --> 02:45:47,240 Aye. Mayor Saiman? Aye. Motion carries. Thank you. I am 16. Public hearings. Madam City Clerk, 1278 02:45:47,240 --> 02:45:51,800 would you announce the first one, 16A? 16A is introduced in ordinance approving the 1279 02:45:51,800 --> 02:45:59,760 zone text amendment TA25-03 amending various sections of Title 17 of the Hermosa Beach Code 1280 02:45:59,760 --> 02:46:05,280 pertaining to appeal periods and the transmission of planning commission decisions. This item was 1281 02:46:05,280 --> 02:46:10,760 continued from January 27th and will be presented by community development planning manager Alexis 1282 02:46:10,760 --> 02:46:18,400 Oropisa. Thank you. Hello, Alexis. How are you? Good morning. I mean, good afternoon. Good 1283 02:46:19,400 --> 02:46:28,080 night. Good night. Alexis Oropisa, planning manager. So good evening. This is the zone text 1284 02:46:28,080 --> 02:46:34,840 amendment. Next slide. That pertains to appeal periods for planning commission decisions. The 1285 02:46:34,840 --> 02:46:41,160 planning commission considered the zone text amendment at its December meeting and recommended 1286 02:46:41,160 --> 02:46:47,200 approval. And this was in a follow-up to Title II changes that the City Council made in 1287 02:46:47,200 --> 02:46:54,280 October of last year. Next slide. The amendments recommended by planning commission create consistency 1288 02:46:54,280 --> 02:47:01,240 throughout the municipal code and include changing the public appeal period for a variety of 1289 02:47:01,240 --> 02:47:06,840 entitlements from 10 days to 15 days so that they're all in alignment. The public appeal 1290 02:47:06,840 --> 02:47:12,800 period also begins the day after the planning commission's decisions. This amendment also 1291 02:47:12,840 --> 02:47:20,320 makes an elimination of the reference to the Board of Zoning Adjustments, which is the defunct 1292 02:47:20,320 --> 02:47:27,880 decision-making body. And the recommended amendments create overall consistency in the 1293 02:47:27,880 --> 02:47:34,140 appeal and review timeframes, making the process more straightforward and more predictable 1294 02:47:34,140 --> 02:47:40,200 for the staff and for the public. These amendments also aligned with goals and 1295 02:47:40,200 --> 02:47:47,880 policies established in the general plan governance element, which aims to conduct 1296 02:47:47,880 --> 02:47:56,760 development review process in a predictable manner. Next slide. The proposed ordinance was 1297 02:47:56,760 --> 02:48:01,680 reviewed in accordance with the California Environmental Quality Act and as it relates 1298 02:48:01,680 --> 02:48:09,400 to procedures is exempt from CEQA. In accordance with the Municipal Code, legal notices were 1299 02:48:09,520 --> 02:48:17,200 published in the newspaper posted on the website and around the city. That concludes my 1300 02:48:17,200 --> 02:48:23,160 presentation. Staff is recommending that the City Council take action to approve the 1301 02:48:23,160 --> 02:48:28,360 recommendation of the planning commission. And with that, that concludes my presentation 1302 02:48:28,360 --> 02:48:31,560 and I'm available to answer any questions that you might have. 1303 02:48:31,560 --> 02:48:38,120 Thank you. Are there any questions? No questions? Councilor Jackson? No questions? 1304 02:48:38,840 --> 02:48:45,720 Thank you. Thank you very much. So let's move on to open public comment. 1305 02:48:48,520 --> 02:48:53,160 Madam City Clerk. Each speaker is limited to three minutes and we did not receive any 1306 02:48:53,160 --> 02:49:03,240 speaker cards. Moving over to Zoom. We have Nancy Schwabhawk. 1307 02:49:09,080 --> 02:49:19,880 Hi again. I spoke against this change in October when you guys first did it and maybe 1308 02:49:19,880 --> 02:49:30,760 this is how efficient economies work where developers need to have a timeline to get 1309 02:49:30,760 --> 02:49:40,680 their development approved. But to me, it seemed to produce a under the table behind the 1310 02:49:40,680 --> 02:49:48,040 scenes means to decide whether something gets approved or isn't approved because two council 1311 02:49:48,040 --> 02:49:54,200 members secretly by email decide that they're going to have a de novo hearing. And this 1312 02:49:54,200 --> 02:49:59,960 happened with the 901 Hermosa project. I was at the council meeting when that was on 1313 02:49:59,960 --> 02:50:05,720 the consent calendar to approve the planning commission minutes and it was pulled and there 1314 02:50:05,720 --> 02:50:13,560 was quite a bit of discussion about the project. And I did not hear anybody saying anything about 1315 02:50:13,560 --> 02:50:18,920 council having decided it was going to be open for de novo hearing. And I walked out of that 1316 02:50:18,920 --> 02:50:24,040 meeting with Commissioner Isant of the planning commission and he said, oh, it's up for de 1317 02:50:24,040 --> 02:50:29,720 novo hearing in two weeks. And I was like, what? How would anyone know that? And he said, well, 1318 02:50:29,720 --> 02:50:37,240 you know, it went through the process to council members by email said we'd like to hear this de 1319 02:50:37,240 --> 02:50:45,240 novo. And honestly, I sat through an entire meeting about this and had no idea that that 1320 02:50:45,240 --> 02:50:53,240 had happened. And I'm sympathetic to developers who would like an efficient process. But I'm 1321 02:50:53,240 --> 02:51:02,360 sorry, democracy is messy. And if I don't even know who the two council members were who decided 1322 02:51:02,360 --> 02:51:11,960 to pull it. To me, that is not open. It's not transparent. It's backroom dealing. I don't like 1323 02:51:11,960 --> 02:51:21,320 it. So I would suggest this entire regime be reconsidered and that the public have a right 1324 02:51:21,320 --> 02:51:27,480 to understand when something has been finally approved or two council members who are unknown 1325 02:51:27,480 --> 02:51:32,920 have decided that they're going to bring it up de novo when we don't even know that when we're 1326 02:51:32,920 --> 02:51:39,480 listening to it at a meeting. I just don't like the whole process. I'm about transparency. Thank 1327 02:51:39,480 --> 02:51:42,680 you. Thank you, Nancy, for that. Any other 1328 02:51:45,480 --> 02:51:48,520 Zoom comments? Mr. Mayor, I don't see any other hands raised. 1329 02:51:49,480 --> 02:51:53,880 All right, then seeing none and there's no one else in chambers, I will close the public 1330 02:51:54,520 --> 02:51:58,200 comment on this item and bring it back to council. 1331 02:52:01,640 --> 02:52:09,400 I'd like to ask the city attorney, Jason, can you clarify this procedure of de novo 1332 02:52:10,360 --> 02:52:18,600 hearing? Is that the appropriate method of calling for a de novo hearing? Is any two council 1333 02:52:18,600 --> 02:52:23,960 members can send a letter or an email in this case, requesting a de novo hearing? Is that the 1334 02:52:23,960 --> 02:52:32,600 proper way of doing it? Well, that's what's in your code. And so that is the appropriate to 1335 02:52:32,600 --> 02:52:37,800 do it because you have adopted something that's now appears in the code. That is the 1336 02:52:37,800 --> 02:52:44,040 process. So, yes. I'm not asking this out of ignorance. I'm one of our citizens thinks this is 1337 02:52:45,080 --> 02:52:49,480 somewhat subterfuge and isn't correct and shouldn't be done that way. And I want to just 1338 02:52:49,480 --> 02:52:53,800 make it clear that that is the appropriate way to call for de novo hearing is to say any two 1339 02:52:53,800 --> 02:52:58,920 council members can send a letter in. And if they happen to communicate with one another 1340 02:52:58,920 --> 02:53:03,880 to decide that they want to do that, that's also allowed under the Brown Act if you can 1341 02:53:03,880 --> 02:53:08,760 discuss any item with one more member as long as it's just two. Correct. Is that correct also? 1342 02:53:08,760 --> 02:53:14,280 That's correct. Okay. So there really isn't anything fishy about that? Correct. The way 1343 02:53:14,280 --> 02:53:19,560 the code is written, that's the process. Okay. Thank you. Nancy, I hope that answers 1344 02:53:19,560 --> 02:53:23,160 your question and makes you feel a little better about the process. That is the 1345 02:53:23,160 --> 02:53:30,360 appropriate process. So having said that, I'd like to move on with public comment. Is there 1346 02:53:30,360 --> 02:53:35,480 any other? Yes. I have a question. We've finished public comment, right? Yes. The public comment 1347 02:53:35,480 --> 02:53:42,120 is closed. This is back to the council. I understand the concerns of the back real 1348 02:53:42,120 --> 02:53:48,360 deal thing. So first of all, as far as the Brown Act is concerned, there's no requirement 1349 02:53:48,360 --> 02:53:53,800 that only two talk. Any council member can go to any other council member and state 1350 02:53:53,800 --> 02:53:58,120 to them that they're going to pull it. Is that correct? There's no, there's no, 1351 02:53:59,080 --> 02:54:02,520 can only talk to one other because it hasn't become a future agenda item yet. 1352 02:54:03,400 --> 02:54:08,920 So that's information that one council can provide to another and it's not considered 1353 02:54:10,840 --> 02:54:18,760 any violation of the Brown Act. Well, if a council member is saying something to 1354 02:54:18,760 --> 02:54:22,840 another, just one other council member, that's not a violation. That is correct. 1355 02:54:23,080 --> 02:54:30,120 Okay. When it comes to procedure, it doesn't apply. One council member could tell all the 1356 02:54:30,120 --> 02:54:34,280 council members or any one of them that they plan to pull it. That would be information 1357 02:54:34,280 --> 02:54:38,760 that the council may or may not want to know. That would not be violating a Brown Act. 1358 02:54:38,760 --> 02:54:43,880 Correct? Right. That council member is openly saying this is what I'm going to do. Yeah. 1359 02:54:43,880 --> 02:54:51,480 Okay. Fair enough. So with regard to the project that Nancy brought up, 1360 02:54:52,280 --> 02:55:00,840 I don't know, she seemed to insinuate that there was some indication that they knew the night that 1361 02:55:00,840 --> 02:55:06,440 project was made that council members had requested it. And I doubt that's the case, 1362 02:55:06,440 --> 02:55:11,720 but maybe for transparency purposes, is it possible that when one person 1363 02:55:13,160 --> 02:55:17,880 requests to pull it, that the other council members can be known so it's out in the public 1364 02:55:17,880 --> 02:55:24,840 and that avoids this backroom deal? Impression? I don't know if there's some 1365 02:55:26,040 --> 02:55:30,280 better way to divulge it so that we all know what's happening with regards to that. 1366 02:55:32,280 --> 02:55:39,880 Well, Alexis, do you want to speak to... Hermosa didn't adopt something that hasn't been done 1367 02:55:39,880 --> 02:55:45,240 in other cities. It is done in other cities just like this. When it's called up, yes, 1368 02:55:45,240 --> 02:55:49,640 two councilors do it, it's really no different than what the public does in calling something 1369 02:55:49,640 --> 02:55:55,160 up to. The public can file an appeal, pay an appeal, and the names aren't necessarily... 1370 02:55:55,160 --> 02:55:58,840 The names, I believe, were revealed in the staff report going forward, 1371 02:55:59,400 --> 02:56:06,760 but it is done that way to keep a schedule, again, for developers so there's a certainty 1372 02:56:06,760 --> 02:56:11,480 that, okay, after 15 days it's either been appealed or not because sometimes when, 1373 02:56:12,440 --> 02:56:19,320 for instance, take a month, August, November, there's only one meeting, then it might be weeks 1374 02:56:19,320 --> 02:56:23,320 and months before it's set for a hearing again. So it was brought to bring some 1375 02:56:23,320 --> 02:56:27,720 certainty to developers and bring closure to the appeal period so it didn't just 1376 02:56:27,720 --> 02:56:31,640 continue on until the next council meeting. Yeah, I understand. I support this because 1377 02:56:31,640 --> 02:56:37,320 we've done this and made it more equitable and easier for property owners to know what 1378 02:56:37,400 --> 02:56:41,960 they can expect within 14 business days and then they can move ahead with their project, 1379 02:56:41,960 --> 02:56:46,920 but with regards to transparency, letting other council members know, I mean, 1380 02:56:47,880 --> 02:56:54,040 if one council member wants to pull it, they obviously would have a desire to communicate 1381 02:56:54,040 --> 02:57:00,200 with others and there's this question, so is there a way where when a request is made, 1382 02:57:00,200 --> 02:57:05,720 the other council members know that a request is made and they have an opportunity to request 1383 02:57:05,720 --> 02:57:09,400 a second one. I'm just trying to make this more transparent if we could. 1384 02:57:10,680 --> 02:57:17,240 The process, last time I believe, you filed it and then council was notified that appeal was filed. 1385 02:57:18,920 --> 02:57:25,880 So in just real quick, this zone text amendment is for the public's appeal 1386 02:57:25,880 --> 02:57:31,240 period of decisions and it's a 15-day appeal period with regards to the city council 1387 02:57:31,720 --> 02:57:38,280 provisions. The city council has the ability to call it up within the same time period. 1388 02:57:38,280 --> 02:57:42,440 I don't believe we disclosed who the two members were in the last city council, 1389 02:57:42,440 --> 02:57:45,720 but we could certainly adopt that as a practice going forward. 1390 02:57:45,720 --> 02:57:51,400 And whenever an item is called up de novo, it is renoticed. So there is a public hearing 1391 02:57:51,400 --> 02:57:58,280 noticing for the appropriate radius. We repost the notices on site, mail them out, 1392 02:57:58,280 --> 02:58:05,320 post them on the website. So there is adequate public notice that also occurs through that process. 1393 02:58:06,440 --> 02:58:12,920 Just a reminder that the adoption of this item is so that it reconciles and is consistent with 1394 02:58:12,920 --> 02:58:17,800 what's in the municipal code. So you're adding the provision that you've already adopted into 1395 02:58:17,800 --> 02:58:24,120 the zoning code. All right. So I guess what I was suggesting is when one council member 1396 02:58:24,200 --> 02:58:30,200 requests that call that the council member doesn't need to be revealed, but the other council 1397 02:58:30,200 --> 02:58:33,880 members know that one person has. But apparently there's no provision in doing that. 1398 02:58:34,440 --> 02:58:42,760 So we would not know until it's been finalized. So my question is, do we need to change 1399 02:58:42,760 --> 02:58:47,560 something here? We can make that a policy or the rest of us going to be in the dark as far 1400 02:58:47,560 --> 02:58:53,240 as whether one council member has requested it and whether another council member needs to take 1401 02:58:53,240 --> 02:58:59,080 action to request it. I would refer to the attorney as to the Brown Act issue there. 1402 02:58:59,080 --> 02:59:03,560 Well, the issue is if you're trying to change, if you're trying to change the processes currently 1403 02:59:03,560 --> 02:59:10,440 in the code, you can do that as long as you make the change as a council. And so that's 1404 02:59:11,160 --> 02:59:15,640 because it's in the code, you have to follow normal procedures and do an encode amendment. 1405 02:59:15,640 --> 02:59:19,080 Well, the code doesn't address notification to us that one council member has. 1406 02:59:19,960 --> 02:59:22,520 But if you're trying to clarify something that's in the code, that 1407 02:59:24,120 --> 02:59:26,760 you can clarify. And I thought without going through all that process, we could just have 1408 02:59:27,720 --> 02:59:32,680 a policy. No, you'd have to do that. So it's kept in the dark. The public doesn't know who 1409 02:59:32,680 --> 02:59:39,000 requested it. Other council members don't know what other council member requested it. Well, 1410 02:59:39,000 --> 02:59:44,280 it's two different things. The first thing, can we let council know and the public know 1411 02:59:44,280 --> 02:59:48,280 which council members pulled it? Yes, we can do that. We can add that to the staff 1412 02:59:48,280 --> 02:59:56,280 report. We can add that to the notice. But as far as letting the rest of council know that one 1413 02:59:57,320 --> 02:59:59,960 council member pulled it, if that's good under the Brown Act, 1414 03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:11,040 That's a problem. By doing that, it's kind of like a serial meeting. Everyone, you're communicating 1415 03:00:11,040 --> 03:00:16,600 with the other council members, and that's the problem. If you start out saying, if you verbally 1416 03:00:16,600 --> 03:00:23,840 said something to one council person, that's okay. But notifying all the council members 1417 03:00:23,840 --> 03:00:28,560 of this action prior to the council meeting, that's really a serial meeting, and that violates 1418 03:00:28,560 --> 03:00:30,560 the Brown Act, so it's really not appropriate. 1419 03:00:30,560 --> 03:00:37,960 Does essentially force us into asking another council member about pulling the item, or one 1420 03:00:37,960 --> 03:00:45,240 council member asking everyone individually, or not asking, but informing them if they're 1421 03:00:45,240 --> 03:00:46,240 going to pull it. 1422 03:00:46,240 --> 03:00:51,240 You can't go to every single council member because that's a problem. The cleanest way 1423 03:00:51,240 --> 03:00:56,560 is if you want to pull something, you wait until you get to the council, and if you 1424 03:00:56,560 --> 03:01:02,320 spoke to one person, fine. But when you start talking to more than one council person, that 1425 03:01:02,320 --> 03:01:05,720 gets into the problem area of the Brown Act. 1426 03:01:05,720 --> 03:01:06,720 Councilman? 1427 03:01:06,720 --> 03:01:07,720 Yes. 1428 03:01:07,720 --> 03:01:11,800 This conversation is interesting, but I think it's really not germane to what we're voting 1429 03:01:11,800 --> 03:01:20,400 on right now at this moment on this item. Can we move on to the item at hand? You're 1430 03:01:20,400 --> 03:01:23,520 discussing procedures and so on, and how do we change it, and so on and so forth. 1431 03:01:23,560 --> 03:01:28,040 What we're talking about right now is just getting this ordinance, Title 17 updated. 1432 03:01:28,040 --> 03:01:32,280 So can we continue that at another time? 1433 03:01:32,280 --> 03:01:34,280 Would you want a future agenda item on this? 1434 03:01:34,280 --> 03:01:37,640 Whatever you want with it, I'm saying it's just not necessarily part of this item here, 1435 03:01:37,640 --> 03:01:39,640 and I'd like to move on with our meeting. 1436 03:01:39,640 --> 03:01:43,800 Okay, well, I beg to differ it is related to this item, but that's fine. I'm not 1437 03:01:43,800 --> 03:01:49,680 recommending any changes to this based on this information I've provided, and there's 1438 03:01:49,760 --> 03:01:53,640 still some question about Brown Act violations regarding this that needs to be clarified. 1439 03:01:53,640 --> 03:01:54,640 Okay. 1440 03:01:54,640 --> 03:01:58,440 Because it's my impression you can inform more than one, and there's no Brown Act violation 1441 03:01:58,440 --> 03:02:00,440 because there's no future agenda item. 1442 03:02:00,440 --> 03:02:04,440 Okay. All right, thank you. So if there is no other... 1443 03:02:04,440 --> 03:02:06,440 I've got it. 1444 03:02:06,440 --> 03:02:07,440 Yes. 1445 03:02:07,440 --> 03:02:08,440 Councilman Jackson. 1446 03:02:08,440 --> 03:02:15,880 The light of the previous discussion. So the five of us received notice that with 1447 03:02:15,920 --> 03:02:23,880 assigned requests from council members Keegan and Francois that they wanted to pull this 1448 03:02:23,880 --> 03:02:31,760 item. So there's an assumption that the two of them discussed that and agreed to pull 1449 03:02:31,760 --> 03:02:37,240 it hence the signature. Is that... 1450 03:02:37,240 --> 03:02:42,360 I'm trying to figure out, reconcile what happened and what I'm hearing the discussion 1451 03:02:42,440 --> 03:02:45,440 in terms of a serial meeting. I mean, if I talk... 1452 03:02:45,440 --> 03:02:51,440 If one of them spoke to the other, they decided to pull this item, signed it, we were all notified. 1453 03:02:51,440 --> 03:02:56,440 And I don't think there's anything inappropriate about that. Am I correct? 1454 03:02:56,440 --> 03:03:00,440 That's my understanding. There's nothing inappropriate about it all. That is... 1455 03:03:00,440 --> 03:03:04,440 My first question to the attorney was, is that the appropriate method in order to 1456 03:03:04,440 --> 03:03:08,440 call it de facto hearing? And that is exactly it. 1457 03:03:08,440 --> 03:03:09,440 Right. 1458 03:03:09,520 --> 03:03:14,520 And it takes two. Any two council members can write a letter or an e-mail in this case. 1459 03:03:14,520 --> 03:03:20,520 Legally acceptable to request a de novo hearing. And if they discuss it amongst themselves ahead 1460 03:03:20,520 --> 03:03:22,520 of time, that is also allowable. 1461 03:03:22,520 --> 03:03:24,520 Right. That's complicit with the problem. 1462 03:03:24,520 --> 03:03:26,520 Yeah. So there's nothing here. 1463 03:03:26,520 --> 03:03:27,520 Yeah. 1464 03:03:27,520 --> 03:03:36,520 But if I had spoken to one, Mr. City Attorney, and the other one didn't agree 1465 03:03:36,600 --> 03:03:42,600 with me, let's just say, one talked to the other, decided they didn't want to sign. 1466 03:03:42,600 --> 03:03:47,600 Is there an issue with asking a third council member then or a second one? 1467 03:03:47,600 --> 03:03:49,600 I don't see an issue there. 1468 03:03:49,600 --> 03:03:50,600 That's right. 1469 03:03:50,600 --> 03:03:52,600 I mean, you're just asking to sign on. 1470 03:03:52,600 --> 03:03:58,600 There's no issue with that as long as you don't divulge the conversation that you 1471 03:03:58,600 --> 03:04:00,600 had with the other person. 1472 03:04:00,600 --> 03:04:04,600 So you went to Dean and Dean said, no, for these reasons. 1473 03:04:04,680 --> 03:04:08,680 And then you go to Keegan and you said, well, I'm coming to you because I spoke to Dean 1474 03:04:08,680 --> 03:04:11,680 and that's the Brown Act problem. 1475 03:04:11,680 --> 03:04:12,680 Right. 1476 03:04:12,680 --> 03:04:13,680 You just go and you're saying... 1477 03:04:13,680 --> 03:04:14,680 I'm looking for a second signature on this. 1478 03:04:14,680 --> 03:04:15,680 Yes. 1479 03:04:15,680 --> 03:04:16,680 Would you be willing to sign it? 1480 03:04:16,680 --> 03:04:17,680 Right. 1481 03:04:17,680 --> 03:04:18,680 Yes. That's fine. 1482 03:04:18,680 --> 03:04:19,680 Okay. 1483 03:04:19,680 --> 03:04:20,680 All right. 1484 03:04:20,680 --> 03:04:27,680 And I might add that when the hearing is scheduled, that doesn't mean that those 1485 03:04:27,680 --> 03:04:30,680 two that signed on are Brown Act buddies throughout the thing. 1486 03:04:30,760 --> 03:04:34,760 They can go and be a Brown Act buddy with some other council member when the hearing is 1487 03:04:34,760 --> 03:04:35,760 scheduled. 1488 03:04:35,760 --> 03:04:38,760 It all turns to conversation. 1489 03:04:38,760 --> 03:04:39,760 Yes. 1490 03:04:39,760 --> 03:04:40,760 Right. 1491 03:04:40,760 --> 03:04:44,760 If you talk about what you spoke to another council member, that's the Brown 1492 03:04:44,760 --> 03:04:45,760 Act problem. 1493 03:04:45,760 --> 03:04:46,760 Right. 1494 03:04:46,760 --> 03:04:47,760 Okay. 1495 03:04:47,760 --> 03:04:49,760 Now we've clarified this and I think that's great. 1496 03:04:49,760 --> 03:04:50,760 Great. 1497 03:04:50,760 --> 03:04:51,760 Thank you so much for clarifying this. 1498 03:04:51,760 --> 03:04:52,760 All right. 1499 03:04:52,760 --> 03:04:54,760 This is the clarification I think we needed regarding this item. 1500 03:04:54,760 --> 03:04:55,760 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 1501 03:04:55,760 --> 03:04:56,760 Thank you. 1502 03:04:56,760 --> 03:04:57,760 Mr. Mayor. 1503 03:04:57,840 --> 03:05:00,840 I think we need to move that we determine the proposed ordinance except from the 1504 03:05:00,840 --> 03:05:05,840 review under the California Environmental Quality Act known as CEQA and 1505 03:05:05,840 --> 03:05:10,840 number two, adopt the ordinance amending Title 17 to update appeals periods. 1506 03:05:10,840 --> 03:05:12,840 Is there a second? 1507 03:05:12,840 --> 03:05:13,840 Second. 1508 03:05:13,840 --> 03:05:14,840 Very well. 1509 03:05:14,840 --> 03:05:15,840 It's been moved in second. 1510 03:05:15,840 --> 03:05:17,840 Is there any other conversation or discussion? 1511 03:05:17,840 --> 03:05:18,840 No. 1512 03:05:18,840 --> 03:05:22,840 Seeing none, Madam City Clerk, would you call the question? 1513 03:05:22,840 --> 03:05:23,840 Council Member Francois. 1514 03:05:23,840 --> 03:05:24,840 Yes. 1515 03:05:24,840 --> 03:05:25,840 Council Member Keegan. 1516 03:05:25,840 --> 03:05:26,840 Aye. 1517 03:05:26,920 --> 03:05:27,920 Council Member Jackson. 1518 03:05:27,920 --> 03:05:28,920 Aye. 1519 03:05:28,920 --> 03:05:29,920 Mayor Pro Tem Detoy. 1520 03:05:29,920 --> 03:05:30,920 Aye. 1521 03:05:30,920 --> 03:05:31,920 Mayor Seaman. 1522 03:05:31,920 --> 03:05:32,920 Aye. 1523 03:05:32,920 --> 03:05:33,920 Motion carries. 1524 03:05:33,920 --> 03:05:34,920 Thank you. 1525 03:05:34,920 --> 03:05:35,920 Let's move on to number 17. 1526 03:05:35,920 --> 03:05:36,920 Municipal matters. 1527 03:05:36,920 --> 03:05:42,920 17A, adopt two resolutions adopting side letters to the memorandums of understanding 1528 03:05:42,920 --> 03:05:48,920 for the general and supervisory employees bargaining unit and the professional and 1529 03:05:48,920 --> 03:05:50,920 administrative employee group. 1530 03:05:50,920 --> 03:05:54,920 This will be presented by Interim Human Resources Manager Tyler Cashman. 1531 03:05:55,920 --> 03:05:56,920 Hi, Tyler. 1532 03:05:56,920 --> 03:05:57,920 Good evening, City Council. 1533 03:05:57,920 --> 03:05:59,920 How are you all? 1534 03:06:11,920 --> 03:06:12,920 All right. 1535 03:06:12,920 --> 03:06:17,920 So today we are talking about the two side letters for both the professional 1536 03:06:17,920 --> 03:06:23,920 administrative employees group and the Teamsters Union for our employees. 1537 03:06:23,920 --> 03:06:28,920 We are looking to add education incentive pay to both of these unions. 1538 03:06:28,920 --> 03:06:34,920 To give you a little background, the unrepresented group currently receives a $400 per month 1539 03:06:34,920 --> 03:06:40,920 incentive for having a master's degree related to their field of work. 1540 03:06:40,920 --> 03:06:46,920 And then $350 a month if they have a certificate related to their field of work as well 1541 03:06:46,920 --> 03:06:49,920 subject to city manager approval. 1542 03:06:49,920 --> 03:06:55,920 This program began on July 1, 2025 with the most recent labor negotiations. 1543 03:06:55,920 --> 03:07:01,920 And historically the police unions, both police management and also the police 1544 03:07:01,920 --> 03:07:07,920 officers association receive 5 to 10% of their base salary for having a post 1545 03:07:07,920 --> 03:07:14,920 certification, various post certifications or associates or bachelors degrees as well. 1546 03:07:16,920 --> 03:07:17,920 Next slide, please. 1547 03:07:19,920 --> 03:07:26,920 And the city enacted in fiscal year 22 a sign on bonus program which was for all 1548 03:07:26,920 --> 03:07:31,920 recruitments that the city was putting forth regardless of what classification we were 1549 03:07:31,920 --> 03:07:33,920 recruiting for. 1550 03:07:33,920 --> 03:07:42,920 The purpose at the time was that we were well below 100% of our staff and had a 1551 03:07:42,920 --> 03:07:44,920 lot of vacancies within the city. 1552 03:07:44,920 --> 03:07:48,920 So the purpose was to attract employees to Hermosa Beach when the staffing 1553 03:07:48,920 --> 03:07:50,920 levels were critically low at the time. 1554 03:07:50,920 --> 03:07:57,920 And during that time and moving forward up to present day, we've averaged about $200,000 1555 03:07:57,920 --> 03:08:03,920 a year through that sign on bonus program and have budgeted that much per fiscal 1556 03:08:03,920 --> 03:08:04,920 year as well. 1557 03:08:04,920 --> 03:08:08,920 And the sign on bonuses ultimately were created to boost recruitment but with 1558 03:08:08,920 --> 03:08:13,920 that not being needed as much now, we would like to redirect those resources 1559 03:08:13,920 --> 03:08:19,920 towards harder to fill roles and move that budget over to the education incentive 1560 03:08:19,920 --> 03:08:22,920 pay for Teamsters and PAE unions. 1561 03:08:22,920 --> 03:08:27,920 So ultimately the purpose of both of these side letters for both of these 1562 03:08:27,920 --> 03:08:32,920 unions is to address the inequity in the education incentives that the 1563 03:08:32,920 --> 03:08:37,920 other groups and unions are receiving and aligning PAE and Teamsters 1564 03:08:37,920 --> 03:08:40,920 benefits with the unrepresented group that was received in these most 1565 03:08:40,920 --> 03:08:42,920 recent labor negotiations. 1566 03:08:42,920 --> 03:08:50,920 And ultimately to maintain competitive compensation in a high-cost labor market. 1567 03:08:50,920 --> 03:08:57,920 The fiscal impact of this would ultimately be very neutral seeing as though 1568 03:08:57,920 --> 03:09:01,920 we are currently spending over $200,000 a year on this sign on bonus program 1569 03:09:01,920 --> 03:09:05,920 which we would be reallocating those funds to the education incentive 1570 03:09:05,920 --> 03:09:09,920 pay since we are planning on pulling back the sign on bonus efforts. 1571 03:09:09,920 --> 03:09:13,920 And as mentioned those resources would be redirected to those harder to fill 1572 03:09:13,920 --> 03:09:18,920 roles and the remainder of that would move to the education incentive pay 1573 03:09:18,920 --> 03:09:22,920 for PAE and Teamsters. 1574 03:09:22,920 --> 03:09:28,920 So the recommended action from staff is to adopt the resolution for the 1575 03:09:28,920 --> 03:09:33,920 side letter with Teamsters local 986 union and adopt the resolution 1576 03:09:33,920 --> 03:09:36,920 for the side letter with the professional and administrative 1577 03:09:36,920 --> 03:09:41,920 employees union. 1578 03:09:41,920 --> 03:09:43,920 And I am available for questions, thank you. 1579 03:09:43,920 --> 03:09:44,920 Great, thank you. 1580 03:09:44,920 --> 03:09:48,920 Are there questions of staff? 1581 03:09:48,920 --> 03:09:50,920 Councilman Jackson? 1582 03:09:50,920 --> 03:09:52,920 Sure. 1583 03:09:52,920 --> 03:09:53,920 Anyone? 1584 03:09:53,920 --> 03:09:54,920 All right, thank you. 1585 03:09:54,920 --> 03:09:56,920 Thank you so much for your report. 1586 03:09:56,920 --> 03:09:58,920 Appreciate it. 1587 03:09:58,920 --> 03:10:00,920 There are no questions of staff. 1588 03:10:00,920 --> 03:10:05,920 Let's go on to public comment then both in person and on Zoom. 1589 03:10:05,920 --> 03:10:09,920 We did not receive any speaker cards moving on to Zoom. 1590 03:10:09,920 --> 03:10:18,920 We have Tony Higgins. 1591 03:10:18,920 --> 03:10:20,920 I'll be quick. 1592 03:10:20,920 --> 03:10:27,920 We're facing a $14 million operating budget deficit by 2031. 1593 03:10:27,920 --> 03:10:34,920 The city's own numbers now back when I was working you got hired 1594 03:10:34,920 --> 03:10:42,920 because you had degrees or certifications and you got job 1595 03:10:42,920 --> 03:10:51,920 security by getting more certifications and more education 1596 03:10:51,920 --> 03:10:58,920 and based on performance, not certifications. 1597 03:10:58,920 --> 03:11:05,920 It seems like you're shifting away from performance and, you know, 1598 03:11:05,920 --> 03:11:11,920 each bargaining group is leapfrogging over the other. 1599 03:11:11,920 --> 03:11:13,920 Can you really afford this? 1600 03:11:13,920 --> 03:11:15,920 That's it, thank you. 1601 03:11:15,920 --> 03:11:20,920 Thank you. 1602 03:11:20,920 --> 03:11:23,920 Mr. Mayor, I don't see any other hands raised. 1603 03:11:23,920 --> 03:11:25,920 All right, then I will see none in chambers either. 1604 03:11:25,920 --> 03:11:28,920 I'll close the public comments and bring it back to council for 1605 03:11:28,920 --> 03:11:33,920 deliberations, discussion or a motion. 1606 03:11:33,920 --> 03:11:35,920 Mr. Mayor, motion approves to ask for recommendation. 1607 03:11:35,920 --> 03:11:38,920 I'll second that. 1608 03:11:38,920 --> 03:11:40,920 Any further discussion? 1609 03:11:40,920 --> 03:11:41,920 Further motions? No. 1610 03:11:41,920 --> 03:11:47,920 Madam City Clerk, would you call the question please? 1611 03:11:47,920 --> 03:11:49,920 Council Member Francois. 1612 03:11:49,920 --> 03:11:50,920 Yes. 1613 03:11:50,920 --> 03:11:51,920 Council Member Keegan. 1614 03:11:51,920 --> 03:11:52,920 Aye. 1615 03:11:52,920 --> 03:11:53,920 Council Member Jackson. 1616 03:11:53,920 --> 03:11:54,920 Aye. 1617 03:11:54,920 --> 03:11:55,920 Mayor Pro Tem DeToy. 1618 03:11:55,920 --> 03:11:56,920 Aye. 1619 03:11:56,920 --> 03:11:57,920 Mayor Seiman. 1620 03:11:57,920 --> 03:11:58,920 Aye. 1621 03:11:58,920 --> 03:11:59,920 Motion carries. 1622 03:11:59,920 --> 03:12:00,920 Thank you. 1623 03:12:00,920 --> 03:12:01,920 Let's move on to 17B. 1624 03:12:01,920 --> 03:12:09,920 Madam City Clerk, would you announce the item? 1625 03:12:09,920 --> 03:12:12,920 17B is update on homelessness efforts. 1626 03:12:12,920 --> 03:12:15,920 This was continued from January 27th and will be presented 1627 03:12:15,920 --> 03:12:19,920 by Senior Management Analyst Sarah Russo. 1628 03:12:19,920 --> 03:12:20,920 Thank you. 1629 03:12:20,920 --> 03:12:22,920 Good evening, Mayor, members of the City Council. 1630 03:12:22,920 --> 03:12:24,920 Staff will be providing information on the city's 1631 03:12:24,920 --> 03:12:30,920 homelessness efforts related to the HB CARES program. 1632 03:12:30,920 --> 03:12:32,920 Next slide. 1633 03:12:32,920 --> 03:12:35,920 In 2023, the city received a $1 million grant from 1634 03:12:35,920 --> 03:12:38,920 Congressman Ted Liu's office to start a pilot mobile 1635 03:12:38,920 --> 03:12:41,920 mental health and crisis response team. 1636 03:12:41,920 --> 03:12:44,920 A contract was awarded to the Los Angeles Center for 1637 03:12:44,920 --> 03:12:47,920 alcohol and drug abuse to provide those services. 1638 03:12:47,920 --> 03:12:51,920 In 2024, the city was granted a one-year no cost extension 1639 03:12:51,920 --> 03:12:54,920 to continue the program, which ultimately ended in 1640 03:12:54,920 --> 03:12:58,920 September 2025 due to lack of continued funding. 1641 03:12:58,920 --> 03:13:01,920 Next slide. 1642 03:13:01,920 --> 03:13:04,920 HB CARES provided services Monday through Thursday 1643 03:13:04,920 --> 03:13:07,920 between the hours of 9 a.m. and 8 p.m. from May 1644 03:13:07,920 --> 03:13:10,920 2024 through September 2025. 1645 03:13:10,920 --> 03:13:13,920 Their goal was to take the 34 individuals experiencing 1646 03:13:13,920 --> 03:13:17,920 homelessness in our city and move that number down to zero. 1647 03:13:17,920 --> 03:13:19,920 In that time that they were here, they were able to 1648 03:13:19,920 --> 03:13:22,920 assist nine individuals, three continue to stay in 1649 03:13:22,920 --> 03:13:26,920 their cars, and 22 were service resistant. 1650 03:13:26,920 --> 03:13:29,920 Next slide. 1651 03:13:29,920 --> 03:13:31,920 While the pilot program had success stories, 1652 03:13:31,920 --> 03:13:33,920 challenges were met that made it difficult to 1653 03:13:33,920 --> 03:13:34,920 accomplish the goal. 1654 03:13:34,920 --> 03:13:37,920 Those challenges included staff term and over, 1655 03:13:37,920 --> 03:13:40,920 limited staff during peak periods, 1656 03:13:40,920 --> 03:13:43,920 lockata was unable to set up a second team. 1657 03:13:43,920 --> 03:13:46,920 It was difficult to engage with individuals who were 1658 03:13:46,920 --> 03:13:48,920 service resistant and there were barriers to housing 1659 03:13:48,920 --> 03:13:50,920 resources. 1660 03:13:50,920 --> 03:13:52,920 Next slide. 1661 03:13:52,920 --> 03:13:54,920 Through the course of their service, 1662 03:13:54,920 --> 03:13:58,920 HB CARES took a total of 336 calls and provided 1663 03:13:58,920 --> 03:14:00,920 234 services. 1664 03:14:00,920 --> 03:14:03,920 Services ranged from providing emotional support to 1665 03:14:03,920 --> 03:14:06,920 housing navigation to client advocacy. 1666 03:14:06,920 --> 03:14:08,920 This concludes staff report. 1667 03:14:08,920 --> 03:14:11,920 If you have any questions you may have. 1668 03:14:11,920 --> 03:14:14,920 Thank you. 1669 03:14:14,920 --> 03:14:17,920 Appreciate your comment. 1670 03:14:17,920 --> 03:14:20,920 Is there any questions of staff? 1671 03:14:20,920 --> 03:14:22,920 None? 1672 03:14:22,920 --> 03:14:24,920 All right. 1673 03:14:24,920 --> 03:14:26,920 Thank you so much. 1674 03:14:26,920 --> 03:14:29,920 Let's open the public comment then. 1675 03:14:29,920 --> 03:14:32,920 We did not reach out to staff. 1676 03:14:32,920 --> 03:14:35,920 We did not reach out to staff. 1677 03:14:35,920 --> 03:14:38,920 Let's open the public comment then. 1678 03:14:38,920 --> 03:14:42,920 We did not receive any speaker cards. 1679 03:14:42,920 --> 03:14:44,920 If you would like to speak on this item, 1680 03:14:44,920 --> 03:14:46,920 please raise your virtual hand. 1681 03:14:46,920 --> 03:14:48,920 Oh, I'm sorry. 1682 03:14:48,920 --> 03:14:50,920 We have one here in public. 1683 03:14:50,920 --> 03:14:54,920 Good evening, John Burry. 1684 03:14:54,920 --> 03:14:57,920 If you haven't already read it, 1685 03:14:57,920 --> 03:14:59,920 I commend that 1686 03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:08,480 Belka Warner's column that we published in the Hamosa Review entitled Valerie's Story. 1687 03:15:08,480 --> 03:15:15,680 It's Valerie's Story is the story of Valerie Campos and she is an amazing woman. She is an 1688 03:15:15,680 --> 03:15:25,360 outreach worker with Harvard Interfaith. She is a lady who has overcome the most unimaginable 1689 03:15:25,360 --> 03:15:39,600 adversity in her life to pull herself up and to become an incredible resource for homeless 1690 03:15:39,600 --> 03:15:45,720 people in the South Bay. And the reason I commend it to you is not just because it's such an inspirational 1691 03:15:45,720 --> 03:15:53,040 story but because she has some very interesting things to say about how we get some of 1692 03:15:53,040 --> 03:16:01,360 these service resistant people off the streets and some of the things she has to say are not 1693 03:16:01,360 --> 03:16:07,800 necessarily what you might expect her to say so I highly commend that to everybody. 1694 03:16:07,800 --> 03:16:14,640 The second thing is that in the course of writing that story and talking to Valerie and 1695 03:16:14,680 --> 03:16:23,200 talking to some of the people that she helped, I discovered something which I think our city 1696 03:16:23,200 --> 03:16:27,720 manager is too modest ever to tell anybody and he'll probably not like me for saying 1697 03:16:27,720 --> 03:16:37,360 it but Stephen Polatano's contribution to helping to rehouse or to find housing for 1698 03:16:37,360 --> 03:16:44,560 a lady in this city who everybody would recognize who was on the streets in our city for 1699 03:16:44,560 --> 03:16:50,960 something like six years, his personal contribution to that which she told me about, he didn't tell 1700 03:16:50,960 --> 03:16:59,760 me about is remarkable and that we should celebrate people that do these things quietly 1701 03:16:59,760 --> 03:17:06,960 and selflessly so thank you Steve for what you did for Dee. And the third thing I want 1702 03:17:06,960 --> 03:17:15,280 to say is that we should take a really good look at where that million dollars went and 1703 03:17:15,280 --> 03:17:23,040 I think there's some lessons in there about grant money and not quite treating grant money 1704 03:17:23,040 --> 03:17:28,640 the same as we would treat our own money out of our own pockets because a million dollars 1705 03:17:28,640 --> 03:17:35,280 has been spent, the program has finished and there's not much of a legacy to show 1706 03:17:35,360 --> 03:17:43,360 for it. For a million dollars we might have expected deeper routes to have taken root and to 1707 03:17:43,360 --> 03:17:49,680 have some infrastructure or foundation for the next group of people who take over so I really 1708 03:17:49,680 --> 03:17:56,400 would urge maybe a look and a proper review at the million dollars that was spent under HB 1709 03:17:56,480 --> 03:18:05,520 CAS. Thank you. Thank you. On Zoom we have Nancy Schwabhawk. 1710 03:18:13,920 --> 03:18:21,920 As usual John Burry stole my thunder. Thank you so much Steve for what you're doing. 1711 03:18:22,640 --> 03:18:30,880 We are so grateful for an honest report. This I think people think we could have done better 1712 03:18:30,880 --> 03:18:37,440 and we're going to get lessons learned out of it and if we didn't have an honest after-action 1713 03:18:37,440 --> 03:18:44,320 report we would not be able to learn from it. So rather than criticize what went before 1714 03:18:44,320 --> 03:18:50,960 I am grateful that people are looking now and saying okay what can we learn 1715 03:18:51,200 --> 03:19:02,160 how can we do better and that was an abject failure. However I think we're taking the right 1716 03:19:02,160 --> 03:19:06,080 messages away from it and again thank you so much Steve. 1717 03:19:11,520 --> 03:19:14,320 Mr. Mayor I don't see any other virtual hands raised. 1718 03:19:15,040 --> 03:19:19,120 All right thank you then I'll close public comment bring it back to council. 1719 03:19:20,800 --> 03:19:26,640 Councilman Ditoi. Thank you. Mr. City Manager I know this report was retrospective but 1720 03:19:27,360 --> 03:19:30,880 moving forward what is the city doing regarding its homeless efforts you know partnership 1721 03:19:31,840 --> 03:19:37,840 are we seeing better I don't see a ROI on it. I'm going to call the person I'd like 1722 03:19:37,840 --> 03:19:42,000 council to recognize and give credit for and that's Sarah Russo our senior management 1723 03:19:42,800 --> 03:19:49,600 she's been doing this for quite some time she recognized the challenges of the last group but 1724 03:19:49,600 --> 03:19:54,240 we're really on the right track we feel with the new group and I'm going to let her talk about that 1725 03:19:54,240 --> 03:19:58,800 because she deserves a shine in this light. Perfect just so you can hit on it some fun like 1726 03:19:58,800 --> 03:20:03,280 where's the funding coming from you know as you said since September how the success rate 1727 03:20:03,280 --> 03:20:07,360 has been etc. Right so as soon as we did the analysis and we got the reporting back from 1728 03:20:07,360 --> 03:20:12,240 Lakota we made immediate conversations with the South Bay Council of Governments to let them know 1729 03:20:12,240 --> 03:20:16,480 with heroes we needed to see some different approaches being done in our city so we're 1730 03:20:16,480 --> 03:20:20,800 now meeting monthly with them to have really honest conversations about the work and the 1731 03:20:20,800 --> 03:20:25,280 outreach and navigation that's being done so I think that's been a huge improvement and we've 1732 03:20:25,280 --> 03:20:30,160 actually had another individual housed recently within our city so numbers are starting to 1733 03:20:30,160 --> 03:20:34,480 come down and we couldn't be more thrilled with how heroes are supporting us but I think 1734 03:20:34,560 --> 03:20:38,880 it's due to the challenges that we incurred that we can now make those improvements. 1735 03:20:40,160 --> 03:20:45,520 And council I'd like to also give credit to Chief Phillips he has followed up on the 1736 03:20:45,520 --> 03:20:50,880 anti-camping ordinance and we've got cases before prosecution which most likely would be in 1737 03:20:50,880 --> 03:20:55,200 homeless court to get these folks on a better path as well so he's done a great job in stepping 1738 03:20:55,200 --> 03:21:01,040 up and addressing those issues especially the camping and vehicles. And then just regarding 1739 03:21:01,120 --> 03:21:05,760 the heroes program is that funding through COG or is that funding from our general fund or 1740 03:21:05,760 --> 03:21:09,200 where does that funding come from? That is funding through the measure H funds currently 1741 03:21:09,200 --> 03:21:16,160 through the COG. So we are contracting essentially with the COG services in our city 1742 03:21:16,880 --> 03:21:21,760 correct us Manhattan and Rodondo are all contracting for heroes at this moment 1743 03:21:21,760 --> 03:21:24,800 in time. And then how many teams are moving through the three cities at once or is it 1744 03:21:24,800 --> 03:21:28,880 just one team? Just one team at the moment because they're still fairly new themselves 1745 03:21:28,880 --> 03:21:32,320 but they are dedicated to being here in her most of Mondays and Fridays. 1746 03:21:33,120 --> 03:21:37,120 And then as needed I assume. As soon as we get a call and we see an individual that's 1747 03:21:37,120 --> 03:21:41,120 new to us or staff we immediately contact them and then hopefully they're here within 1748 03:21:41,120 --> 03:21:44,880 two to four hours. And are they seven days a week right now or are they? 1749 03:21:44,880 --> 03:21:50,960 They're only five days right now Monday through Friday. Okay perfect thank you. Thank you very 1750 03:21:50,960 --> 03:22:00,800 much. All right so close the public comments. Bring it back to council for a motion discussion. 1751 03:22:01,600 --> 03:22:05,200 There is no discussion. I move that we receive and file this report. 1752 03:22:08,720 --> 03:22:13,920 Second. Second. Thank you. Councilman Jackson. Madam City Clerk would you 1753 03:22:14,800 --> 03:22:19,360 call the question please? Councilmember Francois. Yes. Councilmember Keegan. 1754 03:22:20,000 --> 03:22:26,880 Hi. Councilmember Jackson. Hi. Mayor Potemde Toy. Hi. Mayor Salmon. Hi. Motion carries. 1755 03:22:27,520 --> 03:22:34,960 Great thank you. Let's move on then to 17C has been moved to a future meeting and then 17D. 1756 03:22:35,600 --> 03:22:41,680 Madam City Clerk would you read the... 17D consideration of vendor sales on the beach 1757 03:22:41,680 --> 03:22:47,120 in conjunction with a special event permit. This item was continued from January 27th 1758 03:22:47,120 --> 03:22:53,120 and will be presented by Brian Sousa. All right. Good evening Council. We finally got here. 1759 03:22:53,120 --> 03:22:58,400 Mayor Pro Tem. Members of City Council, City Manager and City Attorney. Brian Sousa, 1760 03:22:58,400 --> 03:23:03,600 Senior Recreation Supervisor for the Parks and Newly Found Parks and Recreation Department. 1761 03:23:03,600 --> 03:23:09,680 Thank you Councilmember Keegan. On behalf of staff, recommend City Council consider approval 1762 03:23:09,680 --> 03:23:14,320 of the Parks and Recreation Advisory Commission's recommendation to consider the 1763 03:23:14,320 --> 03:23:21,200 amendments to the Hermosa Beach Municipal Code Chapter 12.20 Beach and Strand Regulations for 1764 03:23:21,200 --> 03:23:28,560 a solicitation to allow for the sale of pre-pared food, non-alcoholic beverages and or merchandise 1765 03:23:28,560 --> 03:23:33,680 on the beach by vendors associated with an approved special event and to establish 1766 03:23:33,680 --> 03:23:39,280 a per vendor daily fee with a discounted rate for Hermosa Beach based businesses holding 1767 03:23:39,280 --> 03:23:42,640 a valid City Business License. Next slide please. 1768 03:23:45,920 --> 03:23:51,520 For background, at its August 26, 2025 meeting, City Council directed staff to bring an item to 1769 03:23:51,520 --> 03:23:56,800 the Parks and Recreation Commission to review vendor sales on the beach, food beverages and 1770 03:23:56,800 --> 03:24:03,680 merchandise sales and potential alcohol use consideration at beach events. At its January 1771 03:24:04,640 --> 03:24:10,400 6, 2026 meeting, the Commission reviewed the applicable provisions to the Hermosa Beach 1772 03:24:10,400 --> 03:24:18,640 Municipal Code and recommend City Council consider approval of the amendments to Section 12.20.300 1773 03:24:18,640 --> 03:24:24,160 to allow for the sale of pre-pared food, non-alcoholic beverages and or merchandise 1774 03:24:24,160 --> 03:24:29,280 on the beach by vendors associated with an approved special event and to implement a daily 1775 03:24:30,160 --> 03:24:34,800 per vendor fee with consideration to the discount to Hermosa Beach businesses. 1776 03:24:38,000 --> 03:24:45,600 Sorry, can you go back real quick? This was based on feedback that received by event producers 1777 03:24:45,600 --> 03:24:52,080 requested in the past previous years. This code amendment would allow greater vendor 1778 03:24:52,080 --> 03:24:57,600 flexibility. This would improve financial viability to enhance and improve their 1779 03:24:57,600 --> 03:25:05,200 events experiences and also bring more tourism inspectors to the events. Next slide. 1780 03:25:06,960 --> 03:25:12,880 Under the Municipal Code solicitation, currently only the event producers themselves 1781 03:25:12,880 --> 03:25:18,400 associated with the event are permitted to sell food, non-alcoholic beverages, 1782 03:25:18,400 --> 03:25:24,000 a brand of merchandise on the beach or on the strand. No additional vendors are permitted to 1783 03:25:24,000 --> 03:25:29,840 sell as part of an approved special event on the beach or strand. Vendor sales are currently, 1784 03:25:30,560 --> 03:25:37,280 vendor sales may occur on other public property locations other than the beach and the strand 1785 03:25:37,280 --> 03:25:43,200 with vendors associated with the event, special event permit. And alcohol consumption and 1786 03:25:43,200 --> 03:25:48,000 sales are permissible in other public areas where special event permits are permissible. 1787 03:25:48,720 --> 03:25:57,040 HB, Municipal Code section 12.20.040, alcoholic beverages, violation and penalties prohibits 1788 03:25:57,040 --> 03:26:02,560 alcohol consumption on the beach and strand without any exception. Next slide. 1789 03:26:04,960 --> 03:26:09,680 For discussion today, staff conducted research on the cities of Manhattan Beach 1790 03:26:09,680 --> 03:26:14,000 and City of Redondo Beach. Municipal codes pertaining to the sales of food, 1791 03:26:14,000 --> 03:26:19,600 non-alcoholic beverages and or merchandise by vendors associated with an approved special event 1792 03:26:19,600 --> 03:26:26,080 on the beach. Summarize this table one in your staff report. In summary, Manhattan Beach allows 1793 03:26:26,080 --> 03:26:33,760 vendors to sell at certain city-approved events, also approved previously by their City Council. 1794 03:26:33,760 --> 03:26:39,840 Alcohol is only allowed at city council approved events and only at the peer currently. 1795 03:26:40,560 --> 03:26:47,040 For City of Redondo Beach, vendors are allowed at city-approved events, but alcohol 1796 03:26:48,080 --> 03:26:54,320 is permitted off at offsite beach events, but alcohol is not permitted on the beach for 1797 03:26:54,320 --> 03:26:59,600 special events in Redondo Beach. Key differences here is that from Redondo Beach and Manhattan 1798 03:26:59,600 --> 03:27:04,880 Beach is her most beach currently owns and fully regulates its own beach. Next slide. 1799 03:27:04,880 --> 03:27:13,920 Recommended action, City Council to consider approval of the proposed code amendments to 1800 03:27:13,920 --> 03:27:18,000 allow additional vendors on the beach associated with an approved special event. 1801 03:27:18,000 --> 03:27:23,760 No change to, staff is not recommending change to the strand regulations. Out of concern, 1802 03:27:23,760 --> 03:27:30,320 this would limit and impact negatively the public access and circulation concerns with 1803 03:27:30,320 --> 03:27:36,560 pedestrian traffic control on the strand. With the code amendment, this vendors would be 1804 03:27:36,560 --> 03:27:41,120 limited to approved event footprint only, meaning they would only be approved to sell 1805 03:27:41,120 --> 03:27:47,440 within the approved site plans of the special event permit. Vendors must be approved, pre-approved 1806 03:27:47,440 --> 03:27:54,800 by the city. Special event producers would provide city staff in advance. The vendors that would 1807 03:27:54,800 --> 03:28:01,040 be located in the site and the city staff would approve that. And event producers responsible 1808 03:28:01,040 --> 03:28:05,680 would be responsible for the vendors compliance of all city code and regulations, 1809 03:28:06,320 --> 03:28:10,400 as well as the insurance coverage and preventing and reporting unpermitted 1810 03:28:10,400 --> 03:28:13,120 vending on the beach. Next slide. 1811 03:28:16,400 --> 03:28:21,760 As well, the recommended action for Council to consider tonight is to include a pre-vendor 1812 03:28:21,760 --> 03:28:27,760 daily fee that would be added to the special event policy guide. This would replace the requirement 1813 03:28:27,760 --> 03:28:34,160 for an annual business license requirement currently, which vendors, special event producers, 1814 03:28:34,160 --> 03:28:42,000 as vendors are required to obtain. The proposed fee would be $115 per vendor per day per event. 1815 03:28:43,120 --> 03:28:49,280 The charge too would be directly incurred by the event producer themselves in which the city 1816 03:28:49,280 --> 03:28:54,960 will invoice the special event producer in the final, in the permitting process. 1817 03:28:56,240 --> 03:29:01,680 The fee is associated to a mid-range balance based on the best practice research from comparable 1818 03:29:01,680 --> 03:29:08,640 cities that have applicable vendor fees for their special event programs. And the recommended 1819 03:29:08,640 --> 03:29:15,520 action would also consider eliminating the co-sponsor fee for monetary sponsorship only 1820 03:29:15,520 --> 03:29:20,480 if sponsors decide to sell food beverages or merchandise. The 1821 03:29:21,520 --> 03:29:26,880 per-vendor daily fee will be applied for them. Next slide, please. 1822 03:29:28,640 --> 03:29:33,840 So tonight staff also has recommendations of no change to the alcohol sales or 1823 03:29:33,840 --> 03:29:40,480 conceptions would not be recommended or any code amendment changes regarding the alcohol 1824 03:29:40,480 --> 03:29:45,840 on the beach. This is based on public safety concerns as discussed with our public safety 1825 03:29:47,120 --> 03:29:53,280 team and our Hermosa Beach Police Department. This would also, if considered, would increase 1826 03:29:53,280 --> 03:29:58,400 police staffing requirements, potential liability insurance impacts, and potential Coastal 1827 03:29:58,400 --> 03:30:00,400 Commission permitting. 1828 03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:10,000 Any implications? And I believe that is the end of my verbal report. As always, staff is 1829 03:30:10,000 --> 03:30:16,680 present. If you're answering any questions, the council may have, and we also have a representative 1830 03:30:16,680 --> 03:30:21,440 from the police department, Chief Phillips, on hand for any questions. Thank you. 1831 03:30:21,440 --> 03:30:25,440 Thank you for your report. Appreciate it. Bring it back to council for questions. So, 1832 03:30:25,440 --> 03:30:32,960 are there any questions of staff? No? Seeing none? Yes, I've got Mr. Mayor. 1833 03:30:32,960 --> 03:30:40,080 Oh, he can go ahead. Go ahead, Mr. Dexter. Thank you for the brief, Brian. I had a discussion 1834 03:30:40,080 --> 03:30:50,200 with the city manager and I appreciate the vendor comparisons by other cities. I think 1835 03:30:50,200 --> 03:30:57,040 part of my problem with this staff report is I don't think we got sufficient data to make 1836 03:30:57,040 --> 03:31:03,800 a decision with regard to the alcohol. I mean, we know that cities up and down the coast 1837 03:31:03,800 --> 03:31:10,000 permit or don't permit alcohol service and VIPs. And I'm trying to understand why these 1838 03:31:10,000 --> 03:31:15,880 approaches may work elsewhere but couldn't in our city. I mean, did we talk to Manhattan 1839 03:31:15,880 --> 03:31:21,880 Beach about what they do and how they do it, what works, what doesn't work? Did we talk 1840 03:31:21,880 --> 03:31:27,280 to some of the other cities up and down the coast that serve alcohol or permit alcohol 1841 03:31:27,280 --> 03:31:32,560 on the beach during their events, what works, what doesn't work? I mean, we got a lot 1842 03:31:32,560 --> 03:31:40,480 of conclusions but no data or analysis outside of public safety. But there's nothing 1843 03:31:40,480 --> 03:31:45,640 that specifically outlines what is feasible, what isn't feasible and the factual basis 1844 03:31:45,640 --> 03:31:51,880 for these conclusions. So I'm trying to figure out what we did or what didn't we do. So it's 1845 03:31:51,880 --> 03:31:58,280 a long statement to get to the question is, I guess why didn't we do a real analysis 1846 03:31:58,280 --> 03:32:03,320 and look at what other cities are doing? Good, bad and indifferent so that we as the 1847 03:32:03,320 --> 03:32:08,160 policymakers can make an informed decision either way as opposed to just a conclusion 1848 03:32:08,200 --> 03:32:14,480 that we don't want to change the code. Yeah, that's a great question, Councilmember Jackson. 1849 03:32:14,480 --> 03:32:19,520 In our best practice research for Hermosa Beach, we always try to, you know, specify 1850 03:32:19,520 --> 03:32:25,040 using comparable cities. So cities that are also within the South Bay are regional cities 1851 03:32:25,040 --> 03:32:30,020 than coastal cities that have the same population or demographic comparisons as Hermosa 1852 03:32:30,020 --> 03:32:35,600 Beach. Miami Beach does allow alcohol use for city council approved special events 1853 03:32:35,680 --> 03:32:41,440 but only at the peer themselves. I think they utilize that isolated space because that's 1854 03:32:41,440 --> 03:32:47,000 the easiest way that they can monitor it through public safety measures and through 1855 03:32:47,000 --> 03:32:52,200 their special events checks, et cetera. We did look at LA County beaches in Harbor 1856 03:32:52,200 --> 03:32:58,000 who we've reached out to extensively several times in trying to get their best practices 1857 03:32:58,000 --> 03:33:01,760 and information on how they manage and mitigate their beaches up and down the coast 1858 03:33:01,760 --> 03:33:07,000 line here. Unfortunately, they were unresponsive in our attempts to reach out to them but we 1859 03:33:07,000 --> 03:33:12,280 do know LA County beaches and harbors do not permit alcohol use on any other beaches 1860 03:33:12,280 --> 03:33:19,120 and which is in comparison and compliancy to what we would, you know, if we decided 1861 03:33:19,120 --> 03:33:23,680 to allow alcohol sales, we would be going against what a standard practice is from 1862 03:33:23,680 --> 03:33:31,080 our other LA County beaches. No, I appreciate their response but the staff report tells 1863 03:33:31,080 --> 03:33:35,880 me nothing about Manhattan Beach. What they do, what they don't do, how they don't, 1864 03:33:35,880 --> 03:33:42,080 how it works. We're not just limited, I mean you mentioned Imperial Beach and 1865 03:33:42,080 --> 03:33:48,080 other beaches in here so we're going outside of LA County. So I'm just 1866 03:33:48,080 --> 03:33:51,600 trying to figure out if we're going to make an informed decision we should 1867 03:33:51,600 --> 03:33:56,720 have a factual basis to do that and what isn't, I mean did our public 1868 03:33:56,760 --> 03:34:01,680 safety folks talk to Manhattan Beach and because I don't see any of that in the 1869 03:34:01,680 --> 03:34:05,280 report and I guess that's where I'm struggling. Right, Councilor just speaks 1870 03:34:05,280 --> 03:34:10,880 to some of that. We did revise parts of the report and it does provide an 1871 03:34:10,880 --> 03:34:16,040 overview of what the, I'll let Chief Phillips speak for himself but you know 1872 03:34:16,040 --> 03:34:21,560 what the requirements would be if an event organizer wanted to serve 1873 03:34:21,560 --> 03:34:26,040 alcohol what the considerations would be, the added security, the overtime 1874 03:34:26,120 --> 03:34:29,920 police officers that would be necessary. Of course it would depend on the event and 1875 03:34:29,920 --> 03:34:33,880 the circumstances so it's a little hard to say well this event gets this and 1876 03:34:33,880 --> 03:34:37,840 this would not get that because it depends on what they do. Could there be 1877 03:34:37,840 --> 03:34:42,320 an event organizer that wants to take on the cost of these things? Sure, 1878 03:34:42,320 --> 03:34:46,760 there could be and so that's up for council consideration. We did try to 1879 03:34:46,760 --> 03:34:50,240 provide a little bit more balanced approach and saying okay these are the 1880 03:34:50,240 --> 03:34:54,000 requirements because this is what was done in Manhattan Beach for instance 1881 03:34:54,040 --> 03:34:58,240 for the ABP. They have, I know the Chief and I'll let him speak for himself but 1882 03:34:58,240 --> 03:35:03,160 I know the Chief did talk to them. They do use overtime police officers. They do 1883 03:35:03,160 --> 03:35:07,280 require security and I'll let him speak to that right now so I don't want to 1884 03:35:07,280 --> 03:35:11,960 say that this was totally not part of it. I think what was meant to say 1885 03:35:11,960 --> 03:35:18,120 that the Commission recommendation was not to have alcohol. Staff is here to 1886 03:35:18,120 --> 03:35:21,600 provide options for council. So Chief do you want to address that? 1887 03:35:21,600 --> 03:35:24,320 Is that information in the staff report? Did I just mention that Chief? 1888 03:35:24,320 --> 03:35:28,440 There should be information there because what I approved was information 1889 03:35:28,440 --> 03:35:35,040 regarding, let me get to the alcohol part, 1890 03:35:39,040 --> 03:35:43,680 events would require a combination of private security and assigned police 1891 03:35:43,680 --> 03:35:49,560 officers on an overtime basis and whatever plan there would be would be 1892 03:35:49,560 --> 03:35:53,840 evaluated in conjunction with but not in place of assigned police officers. So we 1893 03:35:53,840 --> 03:35:57,400 wouldn't be taking police officers off the beat to do this. It would be over 1894 03:35:57,400 --> 03:36:02,440 time officers. So that information is in the leader in the staff report on page 1895 03:36:02,440 --> 03:36:08,720 seven. Chief do you want to? Did we do an analysis with regard to potential 1896 03:36:08,720 --> 03:36:13,440 applicability in our city if we were to move forward with say a pilot 1897 03:36:13,440 --> 03:36:18,360 program? Again that's council's choice. It would apply depending on what with 1898 03:36:18,360 --> 03:36:24,080 the circumstances of the event would be in terms of size, in terms of a 1899 03:36:24,080 --> 03:36:28,320 sequestered area where they would serve it. They would have to have fencing, they 1900 03:36:28,320 --> 03:36:31,760 would have to have wristbands, they would have to have all sorts of things. 1901 03:36:31,760 --> 03:36:36,560 Again that Manhattan Beach and other cities require when they allow alcohol. 1902 03:36:36,560 --> 03:36:41,560 Chief do you want to address any of those? Thank you Mr. City Manager. I think you've covered 1903 03:36:41,560 --> 03:36:44,960 pretty much everything I was going to say. That was perfect. But yes we did 1904 03:36:45,000 --> 03:36:51,320 talk to Manhattan Beach, we did talk to Redondo Beach as best comparison. We 1905 03:36:51,320 --> 03:36:55,840 talked to Manhattan Beach regarding their AVP deployment and it has a very 1906 03:36:55,840 --> 03:36:59,560 separate area. It's access controlled. There's dedicated security at every 1907 03:36:59,560 --> 03:37:04,560 access point. There's ID checks, there's limitations on service, there's a lot of 1908 03:37:04,560 --> 03:37:08,720 other considerations. It's not just open and about for the entire event and 1909 03:37:08,720 --> 03:37:12,880 that's not something that could be safely controlled. We did talk to Redondo 1910 03:37:12,920 --> 03:37:17,200 Beach, there's not exactly a fair comparison of if we're talking again 1911 03:37:17,200 --> 03:37:21,760 using a volleyball tournament, AVP as the example. We know Redondo Beach does 1912 03:37:21,760 --> 03:37:27,240 beach life, that is a much different animal, very hard to compare. But that has 1913 03:37:27,240 --> 03:37:31,400 the same access control security checkpoints, a lot of staffing. So 1914 03:37:31,400 --> 03:37:37,160 there's things we did talk to our neighboring cities and talking to 1915 03:37:37,160 --> 03:37:40,360 Manhattan Beach in all fairness with AVP, they said it's never been an 1916 03:37:40,360 --> 03:37:44,560 issue. They do staff for it, they have private security and officers that are 1917 03:37:44,560 --> 03:37:49,320 staffed on overtime for those events, but they do a good security plan and 1918 03:37:49,320 --> 03:37:52,840 they've had no issues with that. So those are the considerations we looked at. 1919 03:37:52,840 --> 03:37:57,040 We worked with now Parks and Rec department on that and yeah just 1920 03:37:57,040 --> 03:38:02,280 echoing Mr. City Manager. I'm happy to speak about Manhattan Beach and 1921 03:38:02,280 --> 03:38:08,280 their experience there. Thank you. I appreciate it. My point was I mean 1922 03:38:08,280 --> 03:38:12,720 they have these events up and down the coast, Newport, Huntington Beach, Manhattan 1923 03:38:12,720 --> 03:38:18,840 Beach and so I appreciate the fact that it is doable and the question is 1924 03:38:18,840 --> 03:38:24,360 is that something we want to consider? So thank you for that. Thank you 1925 03:38:24,360 --> 03:38:33,800 Councilman Jackson. Any other questions? Yes. Thank you Mr. Mayor. As stated in 1926 03:38:33,800 --> 03:38:37,960 your staff report I originally proposed this to model it after Manhattan 1927 03:38:37,960 --> 03:38:44,640 Beach and you did use the chart showing us how it works in Manhattan and it says 1928 03:38:44,640 --> 03:38:49,080 you know during major volleyball tournaments on the beach when recommended 1929 03:38:49,080 --> 03:38:54,160 food sales are allowed in subject to fire conditions and so on and I was hoping 1930 03:38:54,160 --> 03:38:58,080 to modify it after that because those producers of volleyball tournaments have 1931 03:38:58,080 --> 03:39:03,920 expressed a desire and an interest to do that but now we've expanded it 1932 03:39:03,960 --> 03:39:09,680 with the recommendation from the Commission to include all events and I'm 1933 03:39:09,680 --> 03:39:16,560 just wondering is there some way to limit the type of events because you know 1934 03:39:16,560 --> 03:39:22,880 for fear that this could just envelope into a mushroom of commercial activity 1935 03:39:22,880 --> 03:39:28,240 you could have a running race or a surfing contest that doesn't need the 1936 03:39:28,240 --> 03:39:32,840 revenue but they turn it into many vendors on the beach and it becomes 1937 03:39:32,880 --> 03:39:36,880 an event about the vendor selling things on the beach and I'm just wondering are 1938 03:39:36,880 --> 03:39:41,640 there safeguards in place or how can we modify this to ensure that it doesn't 1939 03:39:41,640 --> 03:39:46,000 lead to something like that. Yeah absolutely Councilmember Francois. The 1940 03:39:46,000 --> 03:39:51,040 recommendation would be up to City Council. I think the Commission provided 1941 03:39:51,040 --> 03:39:54,880 the report and I apologize for misspeaking of not including alcohol 1942 03:39:54,880 --> 03:39:58,440 sales or limiting the vendor use but it would be up to City Council how you 1943 03:39:58,480 --> 03:40:03,640 like us to monitor if you would like to consider a recommendation to not 1944 03:40:03,640 --> 03:40:07,960 include all special events on the beach and only include volleyball events that 1945 03:40:07,960 --> 03:40:14,040 would be up to your prerogative. The consideration from Council and staff 1946 03:40:14,040 --> 03:40:17,200 was in consideration of just being equitable to all special event 1947 03:40:17,200 --> 03:40:21,040 producers applying to use the public property on the beach and just 1948 03:40:21,040 --> 03:40:27,680 keeping it uniformity but we're open to your recommendation. So when we 1949 03:40:27,720 --> 03:40:32,120 say all special events are there some events that are not considered 1950 03:40:32,120 --> 03:40:35,960 special I mean could there be an association of vendors putting on an 1951 03:40:35,960 --> 03:40:41,360 event on the beach? Well I mean all new special events go through the 1952 03:40:41,360 --> 03:40:44,600 special event permit process which goes to Commission and Council for 1953 03:40:44,600 --> 03:40:49,360 approval regardless. So any new special event that comes up and you 1954 03:40:49,360 --> 03:40:55,040 know specific commercial businesses wants to know about this new policy 1955 03:40:55,040 --> 03:40:58,400 that's implemented will then apply for a special event you will have the 1956 03:40:58,400 --> 03:41:02,000 prerogative to review that special event in advance to approve it or not 1957 03:41:02,000 --> 03:41:08,240 approve it regardless. So they if the concern is commercializing the beach 1958 03:41:08,240 --> 03:41:12,080 because of these code amendment changes that they would still have to go 1959 03:41:12,080 --> 03:41:16,880 through the permit process even be considered for approval. The policy 1960 03:41:16,880 --> 03:41:21,560 would only be basically implemented after the code amendment changes for 1961 03:41:21,560 --> 03:41:27,560 any returning special events. But the permit process doesn't really evaluate 1962 03:41:27,560 --> 03:41:32,640 as I understand it or look at the effects it has on public use of the 1963 03:41:32,640 --> 03:41:37,560 beach or commercialization it's basically the way it is unless we put 1964 03:41:37,560 --> 03:41:41,440 some criteria in place. The special event policy guide does have some 1965 03:41:41,440 --> 03:41:44,720 criteria in place because we do we do monitor that we receive 1966 03:41:44,720 --> 03:41:47,480 applications throughout the previous years that I've been here for 1967 03:41:47,480 --> 03:41:52,280 example of organizations trying to commercialize the beach for example 1968 03:41:52,280 --> 03:41:56,400 last year and Nike reached out wanting to do a shoe release on the beach and 1969 03:41:56,400 --> 03:42:01,320 they try to turn it into a special event but in investigation looking in the 1970 03:42:01,320 --> 03:42:06,000 event it was really just a brand awareness opportunity for them just 1971 03:42:06,000 --> 03:42:09,640 to promote their shoe brand and put it on social media which we said did 1972 03:42:09,640 --> 03:42:13,480 not apply for the special event permit program that's more of a pure 1973 03:42:13,480 --> 03:42:18,280 plaza promotion which is substantial $15,000 fee to operate and 1974 03:42:18,280 --> 03:42:23,280 commercialize pure plaza for the day and which then they voided their 1975 03:42:23,280 --> 03:42:28,880 application. So there is a monitoring and an evaluation process internally from 1976 03:42:28,880 --> 03:42:33,160 our team. I mean it could be limited to sporting events for example or 1977 03:42:33,160 --> 03:42:36,920 they're non-sporting events. I mean that would be up to the council to 1978 03:42:36,920 --> 03:42:41,480 decide because we do have a diversity of events on the beach obviously the 1979 03:42:41,480 --> 03:42:45,280 majority of the events on the beach are volleyball tournaments but we do have 1980 03:42:45,280 --> 03:42:52,040 other events other than that. Okay that's fair. Two more questions here. Another 1981 03:42:52,040 --> 03:42:59,240 possibility is we could have whenever an event is approved for using outside 1982 03:42:59,240 --> 03:43:02,400 vendors we could just have it on our consent calendar so we could kind of 1983 03:43:02,400 --> 03:43:06,880 just take a look at it in case there's a feeling it might be getting out of 1984 03:43:06,880 --> 03:43:10,520 hand. Is that another? The pre-approved list of vendors? No just 1985 03:43:10,760 --> 03:43:14,960 when the event gets approved by the the Parks and Recs Commission approves level 1986 03:43:14,960 --> 03:43:19,120 one and two. Correct. It doesn't go any further. But only returning events. Excuse 1987 03:43:19,120 --> 03:43:23,520 me? Only returning events all new events regardless of their impact levels go 1988 03:43:23,520 --> 03:43:30,760 to Commission and City Council. So even if it was a low impact level one or 1989 03:43:30,760 --> 03:43:34,040 two event it would still come back to City Council if it's a new event. Yeah. 1990 03:43:34,040 --> 03:43:39,800 Okay and then my final question I have written down on my notes here. Oh I 1991 03:43:39,880 --> 03:43:47,040 might have another one let's see. I noticed there was language in there that the 1992 03:43:47,040 --> 03:43:54,760 vendors will be vendors and then they will be waived paying the producer a 1993 03:43:54,760 --> 03:43:59,880 sponsorship. Is that a requirement or how does that work? Yeah good question. 1994 03:43:59,880 --> 03:44:03,200 Currently we have a co-sponsor fee associated with a special event 1995 03:44:03,200 --> 03:44:08,120 permit program for the special event policy guide. That co-sponsor fee is 1996 03:44:08,200 --> 03:44:13,760 for any sponsors that come on an event as a title sponsor and is identified as 1997 03:44:13,760 --> 03:44:17,320 such on all their marketing material. Good example of this is 1998 03:44:17,320 --> 03:44:23,200 WebBush sponsors the Hermosa Beach Open. The Hermosa Beach Open is the 1999 03:44:23,200 --> 03:44:27,520 event that is approved by City Council by the event producer Day at the 2000 03:44:27,520 --> 03:44:32,080 Beach Events. WebBush is not as only associated as a sponsor so they have 2001 03:44:32,080 --> 03:44:35,720 to pay a co-sponsor fee because they're titled in the event. The 2002 03:44:35,760 --> 03:44:40,640 recommendation tonight is to eliminate the co-sponsor fee to allow more 2003 03:44:40,640 --> 03:44:45,640 financial sustainability for the event but where the per vendor fee will to 2004 03:44:45,640 --> 03:44:51,480 apply for that sponsor is if they wanted to additionally sell merchandise or 2005 03:44:51,480 --> 03:44:55,800 goods or food on the beach. Meaning if WebBush wanted to put up a 10x10 2006 03:44:55,800 --> 03:45:00,040 tent, sell t-shirts and hats of their own brand at the Hermosa Beach 2007 03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:05,000 We would charge them the per vendor fee. 2008 03:45:05,000 --> 03:45:08,000 They still could be a cosponsor if they wanted to. That's optional. 2009 03:45:08,000 --> 03:45:10,000 They could. We just wouldn't apply the cosponsor fee. 2010 03:45:10,000 --> 03:45:14,000 So we're not requiring the vendors to also be a cosponsor? 2011 03:45:14,000 --> 03:45:15,000 Correct. 2012 03:45:15,000 --> 03:45:18,000 It's just an optional thing that depends on how the producer organizes. 2013 03:45:18,000 --> 03:45:21,000 That's up to the producer, correct. 2014 03:45:21,000 --> 03:45:23,000 Yeah, okay. Thank you very much. 2015 03:45:23,000 --> 03:45:24,000 You're welcome. 2016 03:45:24,000 --> 03:45:25,000 Thank you. 2017 03:45:25,000 --> 03:45:26,000 Any other questions? 2018 03:45:26,000 --> 03:45:28,000 All right, thank you so much for your report. I appreciate it. 2019 03:45:28,000 --> 03:45:29,000 You're welcome. 2020 03:45:29,000 --> 03:45:34,000 We will move on from council questions and open public comment. 2021 03:45:34,000 --> 03:45:36,000 Madam City Clerk. 2022 03:45:36,000 --> 03:45:39,000 We did not receive any speaker cards. 2023 03:45:39,000 --> 03:45:45,000 Okay. And in the Zoom. 2024 03:45:45,000 --> 03:45:49,000 Laura Penya coming up. 2025 03:45:49,000 --> 03:45:50,000 Brian. 2026 03:45:50,000 --> 03:45:53,000 Oh, I'm sorry. 2027 03:45:53,000 --> 03:45:55,000 Not your speaker. 2028 03:45:55,000 --> 03:45:56,000 You knew desk. 2029 03:45:56,000 --> 03:45:58,000 Hi. Laura Penya, mayor, council member, 2030 03:45:58,000 --> 03:45:59,000 staff. 2031 03:45:59,000 --> 03:46:01,000 I'm just listening to this. 2032 03:46:01,000 --> 03:46:04,000 Not that I didn't read the report I did. 2033 03:46:04,000 --> 03:46:08,000 Here's a great opportunity for us right now. 2034 03:46:08,000 --> 03:46:11,000 And in our business community, 2035 03:46:11,000 --> 03:46:14,000 we need to start creating and thinking about experiences. 2036 03:46:14,000 --> 03:46:16,000 The fact that we own our own beach, 2037 03:46:16,000 --> 03:46:18,000 like that's amazing. 2038 03:46:18,000 --> 03:46:20,000 But what does that mean? 2039 03:46:20,000 --> 03:46:21,000 And so as I was listening, 2040 03:46:21,000 --> 03:46:25,000 I'm going looking at our economic development strategies. 2041 03:46:25,000 --> 03:46:27,000 I know we're going to retire them soon, 2042 03:46:27,000 --> 03:46:32,000 but there are so many of them that could be utilized 2043 03:46:32,000 --> 03:46:37,000 with vendors on the beach to really attract experiences. 2044 03:46:37,000 --> 03:46:41,000 Just one off the hand, 25, 2045 03:46:41,000 --> 03:46:44,000 explore music events and activities to celebrate 2046 03:46:44,000 --> 03:46:48,000 Hermosha's beach music history and provide experiences. 2047 03:46:48,000 --> 03:46:52,000 Now, it doesn't necessarily say the beach, 2048 03:46:52,000 --> 03:46:54,000 but we could have had something more expansive 2049 03:46:54,000 --> 03:46:56,000 with our summer concerts. 2050 03:46:56,000 --> 03:46:59,000 So I'm just hoping that we take an open mind approach. 2051 03:46:59,000 --> 03:47:03,000 Let's look at activating some of our places 2052 03:47:03,000 --> 03:47:06,000 and think creatively out of the box. 2053 03:47:06,000 --> 03:47:07,000 That's what we need. 2054 03:47:07,000 --> 03:47:09,000 That's what our business community needs. 2055 03:47:09,000 --> 03:47:14,000 And the only ask that I would propose for council 2056 03:47:14,000 --> 03:47:16,000 is if we're going to have outside vendors, 2057 03:47:16,000 --> 03:47:20,000 create a space, a booth for our local businesses. 2058 03:47:20,000 --> 03:47:22,000 One, where because a lot of our businesses 2059 03:47:22,000 --> 03:47:24,000 are brick and mortar, we're invested here, 2060 03:47:24,000 --> 03:47:28,000 we should be able to promote our businesses here. 2061 03:47:28,000 --> 03:47:30,000 So that's the only ask that I would have 2062 03:47:30,000 --> 03:47:32,000 on behalf of all of our businesses. 2063 03:47:32,000 --> 03:47:33,000 Thank you. 2064 03:47:33,000 --> 03:47:37,000 Thank you. 2065 03:47:37,000 --> 03:47:45,000 Moving over to Zoom, we have Tony Higgins. 2066 03:47:45,000 --> 03:47:49,000 Yeah, I'm really worried that this is going to result 2067 03:47:49,000 --> 03:47:53,000 in the over commercialization of the beach. 2068 03:47:53,000 --> 03:47:56,000 If you look at the fine print, 2069 03:47:56,000 --> 03:48:04,000 basically the producer can sell vendor foods 2070 03:48:04,000 --> 03:48:11,000 to anyone he wants, maybe subject to approval, 2071 03:48:11,000 --> 03:48:17,000 but he's going to be selling this for profit. 2072 03:48:17,000 --> 03:48:24,000 And you have to ask who really wants alcohol on the beach? 2073 03:48:24,000 --> 03:48:34,000 Who really wants food service on the beach? 2074 03:48:34,000 --> 03:48:39,000 Maybe do the local businesses want that? 2075 03:48:39,000 --> 03:48:41,000 Do they want the competition? 2076 03:48:41,000 --> 03:48:44,000 Or do they want free booths? 2077 03:48:44,000 --> 03:48:54,000 The whole thing just seems to be a slippery slope 2078 03:48:54,000 --> 03:48:58,000 to over commercialization of the beach, 2079 03:48:58,000 --> 03:49:05,000 a slippery slope to bring in more and more tourists 2080 03:49:05,000 --> 03:49:13,000 that maybe the community doesn't want to see that. 2081 03:49:13,000 --> 03:49:19,000 They appreciate the pristine, beautiful beach. 2082 03:49:19,000 --> 03:49:22,000 We don't want Coney Island. 2083 03:49:22,000 --> 03:49:29,000 We don't want events where food service or alcohol service 2084 03:49:29,000 --> 03:49:31,000 become the event. 2085 03:49:31,000 --> 03:49:33,000 It's a slippery slope to that. 2086 03:49:33,000 --> 03:49:36,000 And I sure hope you take steps to prevent it. 2087 03:49:36,000 --> 03:49:38,000 Thank you. 2088 03:49:38,000 --> 03:49:40,000 Thank you, Tony. 2089 03:49:40,000 --> 03:49:45,000 Next we have Barbara. 2090 03:49:45,000 --> 03:49:48,000 Good evening. 2091 03:49:48,000 --> 03:49:50,000 Sorry, I have cold. 2092 03:49:50,000 --> 03:49:53,000 There were a couple of things I wanted to talk about. 2093 03:49:53,000 --> 03:49:58,000 One was when Laura Pena discussed the local businesses, 2094 03:49:58,000 --> 03:50:03,000 I hope you all watched our commission meeting 2095 03:50:03,000 --> 03:50:05,000 because I think we did a very good job 2096 03:50:05,000 --> 03:50:07,000 of discussing most of this. 2097 03:50:07,000 --> 03:50:13,000 And Andrew at Curious pointed out that a lot of the vendors, 2098 03:50:13,000 --> 03:50:15,000 the local businesses don't come down 2099 03:50:15,000 --> 03:50:18,000 because they have to take care of their own tent. 2100 03:50:18,000 --> 03:50:21,000 They need to bring all their wares. 2101 03:50:21,000 --> 03:50:23,000 They have to hire people to work. 2102 03:50:23,000 --> 03:50:26,000 And it usually does not work out well for them. 2103 03:50:26,000 --> 03:50:30,000 So we did discuss about having one larger tent 2104 03:50:30,000 --> 03:50:32,000 where everybody could come down. 2105 03:50:32,000 --> 03:50:34,000 Of course, they would have to organize it 2106 03:50:34,000 --> 03:50:37,000 through the chamber probably or through the event, 2107 03:50:37,000 --> 03:50:40,000 but that they would be able to sell 2108 03:50:40,000 --> 03:50:45,000 or at least encourage people to come to their store. 2109 03:50:45,000 --> 03:50:47,000 Councilmember Francois, 2110 03:50:47,000 --> 03:50:49,000 I hope that you'll explain a little bit more 2111 03:50:49,000 --> 03:50:52,000 about your comment about volleyball only 2112 03:50:52,000 --> 03:50:55,000 and that we honestly believed that this, 2113 03:50:55,000 --> 03:50:58,000 when you open it for one, you need to open it up for all. 2114 03:50:58,000 --> 03:51:03,000 So if you might be able to explain your thoughts on that, 2115 03:51:03,000 --> 03:51:05,000 I would appreciate it. 2116 03:51:05,000 --> 03:51:07,000 Because we do have the LA Galaxy. 2117 03:51:07,000 --> 03:51:09,000 We do have flag football. 2118 03:51:09,000 --> 03:51:10,000 We have the Rams. 2119 03:51:10,000 --> 03:51:13,000 We have a lot of events that do come down. 2120 03:51:13,000 --> 03:51:17,000 And if they can handle the restrictions 2121 03:51:17,000 --> 03:51:22,000 that we would give them about how the vendors that they use, 2122 03:51:22,000 --> 03:51:25,000 maybe giving a discount if you're a local vendor, 2123 03:51:25,000 --> 03:51:31,000 we don't feel that you should make this for one group. 2124 03:51:31,000 --> 03:51:34,000 So if you could defend that, that would be great. 2125 03:51:34,000 --> 03:51:37,000 I'm also curious, Councilmember Francois, 2126 03:51:37,000 --> 03:51:44,000 you didn't want a VIP section for an event earlier tonight. 2127 03:51:44,000 --> 03:51:46,000 So I'm hoping that you can explain the difference 2128 03:51:46,000 --> 03:51:51,000 between having a VIP area for one event, 2129 03:51:51,000 --> 03:51:56,000 but you seem to be happy with the thought of having another, 2130 03:51:56,000 --> 03:51:58,000 something different for a different group. 2131 03:51:58,000 --> 03:52:01,000 So I'm just very confused about that. 2132 03:52:01,000 --> 03:52:06,000 The vote was 5-0 to not have alcohol on the beach. 2133 03:52:06,000 --> 03:52:11,000 I did reach out to Manhattan Beach and other cities. 2134 03:52:11,000 --> 03:52:13,000 I reached out to our city manager. 2135 03:52:13,000 --> 03:52:18,000 And yes, we all agree that Manhattan Beach doesn't have a problem. 2136 03:52:18,000 --> 03:52:23,000 Keep in mind that Manhattan Beach has very few events. 2137 03:52:23,000 --> 03:52:25,000 We have a lot of events. 2138 03:52:25,000 --> 03:52:29,000 So I did talk to the chief of police. 2139 03:52:29,000 --> 03:52:33,000 He made a comment that it's not mandatory 2140 03:52:33,000 --> 03:52:36,000 that our police officers take overtime. 2141 03:52:36,000 --> 03:52:39,000 So if we have a lot of events, 2142 03:52:39,000 --> 03:52:42,000 we ask them to do a lot of overtime. 2143 03:52:42,000 --> 03:52:45,000 We don't have a guarantee that they would be able to do this. 2144 03:52:45,000 --> 03:52:48,000 So these are all the things that I just want you to keep in mind. 2145 03:52:48,000 --> 03:52:52,000 I think we did a good job of going through everything 2146 03:52:52,000 --> 03:52:55,000 about not having hot food on the beach. 2147 03:52:55,000 --> 03:52:59,000 We have so many restaurants that we would like to keep it local. 2148 03:52:59,000 --> 03:53:01,000 So I think I'm done with that. 2149 03:53:01,000 --> 03:53:03,000 But again, Council Member Francois, 2150 03:53:03,000 --> 03:53:06,000 if you could just explain some of your thoughts tonight, 2151 03:53:06,000 --> 03:53:08,000 I would really appreciate it. 2152 03:53:08,000 --> 03:53:10,000 Thank you. 2153 03:53:10,000 --> 03:53:13,000 Thank you, Barbara. 2154 03:53:13,000 --> 03:53:21,000 Next is Nancy Schwabock. 2155 03:53:21,000 --> 03:53:26,000 So as Eric Horn said earlier tonight about Elka's comments, 2156 03:53:26,000 --> 03:53:34,000 I am agreeing tonight with Barbara. 2157 03:53:34,000 --> 03:53:38,000 So I think the commission did a great job. 2158 03:53:38,000 --> 03:53:45,000 I think they were very thoughtful and I appreciate their service. 2159 03:53:45,000 --> 03:53:48,000 Thank you, Nancy. 2160 03:53:48,000 --> 03:53:50,000 Mr. Mayor, I don't see any other virtual hands raised. 2161 03:53:50,000 --> 03:53:51,000 All right. 2162 03:53:51,000 --> 03:53:53,000 Anyone else in Council? 2163 03:53:53,000 --> 03:53:55,000 Seeing none, I'll close public comment. 2164 03:53:55,000 --> 03:54:01,000 Bring it back to the Council for deliberation, comments, and emotion. 2165 03:54:01,000 --> 03:54:04,000 Any deliberation or comments? 2166 03:54:04,000 --> 03:54:07,000 Yes, Mr. Mayor. 2167 03:54:07,000 --> 03:54:10,000 I don't know if it would make it easier tonight 2168 03:54:10,000 --> 03:54:14,000 if we were to bifurcate the retail aspect of it 2169 03:54:14,000 --> 03:54:19,000 and non-alcohol aspect of it from the alcohol aspect of it. 2170 03:54:20,000 --> 03:54:23,000 So I feel comfortable, you know, 2171 03:54:23,000 --> 03:54:28,000 making a motion to approve the commission's recommendation 2172 03:54:28,000 --> 03:54:30,000 on everything except the alcohol beverages. 2173 03:54:30,000 --> 03:54:33,000 I want to have a little bit more of a conversation on that 2174 03:54:33,000 --> 03:54:40,000 and good with everything that they, you know, spent hours liberating. 2175 03:54:40,000 --> 03:54:45,000 I would second that if that was a motion. 2176 03:54:45,000 --> 03:54:46,000 All right. 2177 03:54:46,000 --> 03:54:50,000 Any deliberation on that or a substitute motion, anything else? 2178 03:54:50,000 --> 03:54:52,000 Yes, go ahead. 2179 03:54:52,000 --> 03:54:53,000 That's fine. 2180 03:54:53,000 --> 03:55:00,000 So, Mayor Pro Tem, you're recommending staff recommendation, 2181 03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:04,000 which does not address alcohol, correct? 2182 03:55:04,000 --> 03:55:06,000 It does address alcohol. 2183 03:55:06,000 --> 03:55:08,000 No, we're not making any, there is no recommendation 2184 03:55:08,000 --> 03:55:11,000 to change anything with regards to alcohol. 2185 03:55:11,000 --> 03:55:14,000 It still will be not allowed. 2186 03:55:14,000 --> 03:55:17,000 So you're comfortable with that recommendation, correct? 2187 03:55:17,000 --> 03:55:19,000 That's the first part of this and I think, you know, 2188 03:55:19,000 --> 03:55:22,000 I've heard interest from different colleagues 2189 03:55:22,000 --> 03:55:25,000 about is there a desire to have alcohol, 2190 03:55:25,000 --> 03:55:27,000 what it does it look like, and, you know, 2191 03:55:27,000 --> 03:55:30,000 versus what the commission has recommended. 2192 03:55:30,000 --> 03:55:31,000 Right. 2193 03:55:31,000 --> 03:55:33,000 So that would be a different discussion at a different time 2194 03:55:33,000 --> 03:55:34,000 because that's not the agenda. 2195 03:55:34,000 --> 03:55:35,000 No, no, it would be tonight. 2196 03:55:35,000 --> 03:55:36,000 What? 2197 03:55:36,000 --> 03:55:37,000 It would be tonight. 2198 03:55:37,000 --> 03:55:39,000 But again, I think the low-hanging fruit, 2199 03:55:39,000 --> 03:55:41,000 I think the commission did a great job, 2200 03:55:41,000 --> 03:55:43,000 staff did a great job working through, you know, 2201 03:55:44,000 --> 03:55:47,000 everything that is proposed in front of us, 2202 03:55:47,000 --> 03:55:50,000 the only thing I would want to have is a deeper dive 2203 03:55:50,000 --> 03:55:51,000 on the alcohol conversation, 2204 03:55:51,000 --> 03:55:54,000 whether it's interest for a pilot program, et cetera. 2205 03:55:54,000 --> 03:55:57,000 I would like to make a substitute motion then 2206 03:55:57,000 --> 03:56:01,000 to approve the staff recommendation 2207 03:56:01,000 --> 03:56:05,000 without bifurcating the alcohol issue. 2208 03:56:05,000 --> 03:56:08,000 Just leave it as is and approve the whole thing. 2209 03:56:08,000 --> 03:56:10,000 Is there a second for that? 2210 03:56:10,000 --> 03:56:11,000 I'll second that. 2211 03:56:11,000 --> 03:56:12,000 All right. 2212 03:56:12,000 --> 03:56:14,000 Any more discussion? 2213 03:56:14,000 --> 03:56:19,000 So your motion is separate than Mayor Pro Tem's motion. 2214 03:56:19,000 --> 03:56:23,000 Your motion states approving staff recommendation period. 2215 03:56:23,000 --> 03:56:25,000 The way it is, no alcohol on the beach. 2216 03:56:25,000 --> 03:56:26,000 Okay. 2217 03:56:26,000 --> 03:56:27,000 All right. 2218 03:56:27,000 --> 03:56:28,000 That is my motion and it's a second. 2219 03:56:28,000 --> 03:56:29,000 Thank you. 2220 03:56:29,000 --> 03:56:32,000 So Madam City Clerk, would you call the system? 2221 03:56:32,000 --> 03:56:34,000 Mr. Mayor, if I were to make a motion, 2222 03:56:34,000 --> 03:56:38,000 a substitute motion, would that go before your second? 2223 03:56:38,000 --> 03:56:39,000 All right. 2224 03:56:39,000 --> 03:56:40,000 That's correct. 2225 03:56:40,000 --> 03:56:41,000 A substitute goes first. 2226 03:56:41,000 --> 03:56:42,000 Yeah. 2227 03:56:42,000 --> 03:56:44,000 Substitute motion goes first. 2228 03:56:44,000 --> 03:56:45,000 Okay. 2229 03:56:45,000 --> 03:56:48,000 I would like to make a substitute to your substitute then. 2230 03:56:48,000 --> 03:56:50,000 All right. 2231 03:56:50,000 --> 03:56:53,000 I would motion that the direct staff 2232 03:56:53,000 --> 03:56:57,000 to implement a pilot program permitting limited alcohol 2233 03:56:57,000 --> 03:57:00,000 on the beach in 2026 2234 03:57:00,000 --> 03:57:02,000 for the LA Galaxy Watch Party 2235 03:57:02,000 --> 03:57:05,000 as well as the Hermosa Beach Open Only 2236 03:57:05,000 --> 03:57:08,000 consistent with best practices, public safety protocols, 2237 03:57:08,000 --> 03:57:12,000 and all applicable laws and permits. 2238 03:57:12,000 --> 03:57:15,000 And then as a secondary to that, 2239 03:57:15,000 --> 03:57:21,000 I would recommend we approve staff's recommendation. 2240 03:57:21,000 --> 03:57:22,000 All right. 2241 03:57:22,000 --> 03:57:24,000 Is there a second to that? 2242 03:57:24,000 --> 03:57:30,000 I will second it just for conversation. 2243 03:57:30,000 --> 03:57:32,000 Council Member Jackson, why those two events? 2244 03:57:32,000 --> 03:57:33,000 Is there any interest? 2245 03:57:33,000 --> 03:57:34,000 I mean, I... 2246 03:57:34,000 --> 03:57:36,000 Well, I think because at the end of the day, 2247 03:57:36,000 --> 03:57:40,000 I think these are the two best events 2248 03:57:40,000 --> 03:57:43,000 that would have the... 2249 03:57:43,000 --> 03:57:45,000 That would be willing to consider 2250 03:57:45,000 --> 03:57:46,000 whether they want to do it or not. 2251 03:57:46,000 --> 03:57:48,000 I mean, we can authorize it. 2252 03:57:48,000 --> 03:57:49,000 They may choose not to 2253 03:57:49,000 --> 03:57:51,000 because the requirements may be too onerous, 2254 03:57:51,000 --> 03:57:53,000 but they may choose to do it. 2255 03:57:53,000 --> 03:57:56,000 We know that it works up and down the coast. 2256 03:57:56,000 --> 03:57:59,000 So I think these are two big, you know, 2257 03:57:59,000 --> 03:58:01,000 like Galaxy obviously has the... 2258 03:58:01,000 --> 03:58:03,000 They ask for alcohol in the VIP section. 2259 03:58:03,000 --> 03:58:05,000 That's consistent with what other folks do. 2260 03:58:06,000 --> 03:58:08,000 The Hermosa Beach Open can do the same. 2261 03:58:08,000 --> 03:58:10,000 That gives them greater latitude 2262 03:58:10,000 --> 03:58:13,000 in terms of their ability to generate revenue. 2263 03:58:13,000 --> 03:58:16,000 That helps us eventually. 2264 03:58:16,000 --> 03:58:18,000 And, you know, I think we have to think outside 2265 03:58:18,000 --> 03:58:20,000 of the norms that we've done. 2266 03:58:20,000 --> 03:58:23,000 I mean, Laura, when you mentioned, we own our beach. 2267 03:58:23,000 --> 03:58:26,000 So we don't have the constraints that others have. 2268 03:58:26,000 --> 03:58:28,000 And again, we're going to... 2269 03:58:28,000 --> 03:58:31,000 Public safety is first and foremost. 2270 03:58:31,000 --> 03:58:33,000 And, you know, it's... 2271 03:58:33,000 --> 03:58:35,000 I mean, I chuckled because, you know, 2272 03:58:35,000 --> 03:58:37,000 you're at the Hermosa Beach Open and, you know, 2273 03:58:37,000 --> 03:58:41,000 within the perimeter, there's no alcohol, 2274 03:58:41,000 --> 03:58:44,000 but you walk five steps outside, there's alcohol. 2275 03:58:44,000 --> 03:58:48,000 You know, we got Fourth of July, the Iron Man, you know. 2276 03:58:48,000 --> 03:58:52,000 And so, you know, it's a controlled environment. 2277 03:58:52,000 --> 03:58:53,000 It works. 2278 03:58:53,000 --> 03:58:56,000 And if it doesn't work this year, 2279 03:58:56,000 --> 03:58:57,000 we can table it. 2280 03:58:57,000 --> 03:58:59,000 We can say, hey, we tried. 2281 03:58:59,000 --> 03:59:00,000 It doesn't work. 2282 03:59:00,000 --> 03:59:01,000 But at least let's try. 2283 03:59:01,000 --> 03:59:04,000 And I think we have two operators, two really good operators 2284 03:59:04,000 --> 03:59:07,000 that have proven themselves worthy of at least 2285 03:59:07,000 --> 03:59:10,000 an opportunity to try this. 2286 03:59:10,000 --> 03:59:15,000 And just to tack on to the vendor component. 2287 03:59:15,000 --> 03:59:17,000 I mean, most of these vendors when they... 2288 03:59:17,000 --> 03:59:19,000 I see that most of these operators 2289 03:59:19,000 --> 03:59:20,000 when they host their events. 2290 03:59:20,000 --> 03:59:23,000 I mean, you talked to Mark Pallui and Denny 2291 03:59:23,000 --> 03:59:24,000 and those folks. 2292 03:59:24,000 --> 03:59:26,000 I mean, they are buying local. 2293 03:59:26,000 --> 03:59:29,000 So they will go get 200 subs 2294 03:59:30,000 --> 03:59:32,000 from one of our self-places. 2295 03:59:32,000 --> 03:59:34,000 They will get the cookies and the cake 2296 03:59:34,000 --> 03:59:36,000 and all that stuff. 2297 03:59:36,000 --> 03:59:38,000 So they make a concerted effort. 2298 03:59:38,000 --> 03:59:40,000 And of course, our parks and rec says, hey, 2299 03:59:40,000 --> 03:59:43,000 we will obviously look for opportunities 2300 03:59:43,000 --> 03:59:47,000 to further increase those partnerships. 2301 03:59:47,000 --> 03:59:49,000 So, I mean, these folks are good partners. 2302 03:59:49,000 --> 03:59:51,000 They want to be good partners. 2303 03:59:51,000 --> 03:59:53,000 I think it's worth a shot. 2304 03:59:53,000 --> 03:59:54,000 And if we're going to do it, 2305 03:59:54,000 --> 03:59:56,000 this is the perfect time to at least explore it. 2306 03:59:56,000 --> 03:59:59,000 And again, if it doesn't work, we can table it. 2307 03:59:59,000 --> 04:00:01,000 But I mean, they've done it. 2308 04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:14,000 Every year for how many years and are most in Manhattan Beach. They do it in Huntington. They do it in Newport. They do it, I mean, up and down in San Diego. So, you know, I think with the public safety protocols, all applicable laws and permits, why not give it a shot? 2309 04:00:14,000 --> 04:00:18,000 All right. Thank you, sir. Any comments? Councilman Keegan? 2310 04:00:18,000 --> 04:00:26,000 Just to staff, didn't we approve the LA Galaxy to have an alcohol area? Wasn't that part of the approval? 2311 04:00:26,000 --> 04:00:27,000 We did not. 2312 04:00:27,000 --> 04:00:28,000 We did not. 2313 04:00:28,000 --> 04:00:36,000 No, we, the part of the event would to consider allowing VIP access, but that does not incorporate alcohol sales. 2314 04:00:36,000 --> 04:00:38,000 Okay. Just to clarify. 2315 04:00:38,000 --> 04:00:54,000 I would like to just remind council that any recommended action tonight, the city council approves any of the aforementioned recommendations that staff would prepare such code amendments in addition to the fee being adjusted in the city master's fee schedule. 2316 04:00:54,000 --> 04:01:01,000 And now we'll come back to city council for review through a public hearing. So that would be another opportunity to discuss. 2317 04:01:01,000 --> 04:01:13,000 All right. Thank you for that. I appreciate it. So let's unwind this a little bit. We have a substitute motion to a substitute motion, which Mr. Jackson has, Councilman Jackson has brought forward. 2318 04:01:13,000 --> 04:01:17,000 A motion and a second. 2319 04:01:17,000 --> 04:01:29,000 Madam City Clerk, will you, let's just for the records where we're all clear about what's going on. Can you reread the substitute motion to the substitute motion? 2320 04:01:29,000 --> 04:01:39,000 This is to include a pilot program to allow alcohol sales for the Hermosa Beach Open and LA Galaxy Watch Party events and also staff recommendation. 2321 04:01:39,000 --> 04:01:41,000 Okay. Thank you. So call the question, please. 2322 04:01:41,000 --> 04:01:49,000 I have a comment regarding this. If I may, if we could deliberate more on this. Thank you. 2323 04:01:49,000 --> 04:02:00,000 I'm against this idea of pilot program alcohol. It presents serious coastal act and coastal commission issues. 2324 04:02:00,000 --> 04:02:15,000 The VIP section wasn't even requested by the Galaxy, but was brought up by the council member who now is pushing for alcohol at that VIP section, which, you know, they haven't requested it. 2325 04:02:15,000 --> 04:02:26,000 The volleyball tournaments haven't requested it. And it's just concerning that we would have a test pilot on how you would measure its success. 2326 04:02:26,000 --> 04:02:39,000 So I would just state that, you know, when you have a VIP section on the beach, that's already potentially impacting 25% of a free public viewing area. 2327 04:02:39,000 --> 04:02:47,000 The LA Galaxy is providing a free public viewing area for the World Cup. 2328 04:02:47,000 --> 04:02:57,000 It's not like they need to raise money to be able to put this on. Again, commercial activities on the beach. So I am definitely opposed to this substitute motion. 2329 04:02:57,000 --> 04:03:04,000 I'm in favor of the original substitute motion, which kept it simple to approve staff recommendation. Thank you. 2330 04:03:04,000 --> 04:03:08,000 Okay. Thank you. Madam City Clerk, would you call a question, please? 2331 04:03:08,000 --> 04:03:10,000 Council Member Francois? 2332 04:03:10,000 --> 04:03:11,000 No. 2333 04:03:11,000 --> 04:03:12,000 Council Member Keegan? 2334 04:03:12,000 --> 04:03:13,000 No. 2335 04:03:13,000 --> 04:03:15,000 Council Member Jackson? 2336 04:03:15,000 --> 04:03:16,000 Aye. 2337 04:03:16,000 --> 04:03:17,000 Mayor Potemde Toy? 2338 04:03:17,000 --> 04:03:18,000 No. 2339 04:03:18,000 --> 04:03:20,000 Mayor Seaman? 2340 04:03:20,000 --> 04:03:21,000 No. 2341 04:03:21,000 --> 04:03:22,000 Motion fails. 2342 04:03:22,000 --> 04:03:27,000 All right. Then on to the substitute motion. Would you read that back, please? 2343 04:03:27,000 --> 04:03:33,000 Which I understand is to approve the staff recommendation. 2344 04:03:33,000 --> 04:03:34,000 That's correct. 2345 04:03:34,000 --> 04:03:35,000 As is. 2346 04:03:35,000 --> 04:03:36,000 Okay. 2347 04:03:36,000 --> 04:03:42,000 And that was moved by Mayor Seaman and seconded by Council Member Keegan? 2348 04:03:42,000 --> 04:03:43,000 Correct. 2349 04:03:43,000 --> 04:03:45,000 Council Member Francois? 2350 04:03:45,000 --> 04:03:46,000 Yes. 2351 04:03:46,000 --> 04:03:47,000 Council Member Keegan? 2352 04:03:47,000 --> 04:03:48,000 Aye. 2353 04:03:48,000 --> 04:03:49,000 Council Member Jackson? 2354 04:03:49,000 --> 04:03:50,000 Aye. 2355 04:03:50,000 --> 04:03:52,000 Mayor Potemde Toy? 2356 04:03:52,000 --> 04:03:53,000 No. 2357 04:03:53,000 --> 04:03:54,000 Mayor Seaman? 2358 04:03:54,000 --> 04:03:55,000 Yes. 2359 04:03:55,000 --> 04:03:59,000 Motion carries four to one. Mayor Potemde Toy was a no. 2360 04:03:59,000 --> 04:04:06,000 All right. Thank you. So the question has been answered. Let's move on then to 17E. 2361 04:04:06,000 --> 04:04:09,000 Madam City Clerk, would you read the item, please? 2362 04:04:09,000 --> 04:04:14,000 17E is report on Planning Commission's review of land value recapture ordinance 2363 04:04:14,000 --> 04:04:18,000 and adopt a resolution amending the city master fee schedule to amend fees 2364 04:04:18,000 --> 04:04:22,000 for the land value recapture program for affordable housing. 2365 04:04:22,000 --> 04:04:26,000 This item was continued from January 27th and will be presented by 2366 04:04:26,000 --> 04:04:31,000 Community Development Planning Manager Alexis Oropeza. 2367 04:04:31,000 --> 04:04:38,000 Good evening, Mayor, members of City Council. 2368 04:04:38,000 --> 04:04:46,000 The item today this evening pertains to an amendment to an existing fee 2369 04:04:46,000 --> 04:04:51,000 established to implement the city's land value recapture ordinance. 2370 04:04:51,000 --> 04:04:55,000 As a way of background, the LVR program was incorporated into the city's 2371 04:04:55,000 --> 04:05:03,000 2021 through 2029 housing element at the outside of the housing element update 2372 04:05:03,000 --> 04:05:05,000 process in 2021. 2373 04:05:05,000 --> 04:05:10,000 The housing element itself was certified by the Housing and Community Development 2374 04:05:10,000 --> 04:05:13,000 Department in August of 2024. 2375 04:05:13,000 --> 04:05:20,000 And at that time that effectuated the land value recapture ordinance. 2376 04:05:20,000 --> 04:05:26,000 At the time of certification, HCD noted in their evaluation of the city's 2377 04:05:26,000 --> 04:05:31,000 housing elements that the LVR program along with other programs 2378 04:05:31,000 --> 04:05:35,000 should be evaluated every two years. 2379 04:05:35,000 --> 04:05:41,000 So in March of 2025, City Council directed staff to have the Planning 2380 04:05:41,000 --> 04:05:46,000 Commission review the LVR ordinance as it pertains to small lots. 2381 04:05:46,000 --> 04:05:55,000 Small lots as defined in the ordinance pertains to lots that have a 2382 04:05:55,000 --> 04:05:59,000 maximum density of no more than four units. 2383 04:05:59,000 --> 04:06:07,000 So in October of last year, Planning Commission did undertake its review 2384 04:06:07,000 --> 04:06:14,000 of the land value recapture ordinance and made recommendations to change 2385 04:06:14,000 --> 04:06:16,000 the fee structure. 2386 04:06:16,000 --> 04:06:20,000 So with that, I just want to take a moment for members of the public 2387 04:06:20,000 --> 04:06:23,000 who may not be familiar with the land value recapture, 2388 04:06:23,000 --> 04:06:28,000 discuss what that is and then give some policy context to land value 2389 04:06:28,000 --> 04:06:31,000 recapture as it relates to the city of Hermosa Beach. 2390 04:06:31,000 --> 04:06:35,000 And at its core, land value recapture policies are based on the principle 2391 04:06:35,000 --> 04:06:40,000 that properties gain value from city or government actions such as 2392 04:06:40,000 --> 04:06:44,000 rezoning or large infrastructure projects and that those actions 2393 04:06:44,000 --> 04:06:46,000 add value to a property. 2394 04:06:46,000 --> 04:06:51,000 And that some portion of that value that's added should be retrieved 2395 04:06:51,000 --> 04:06:55,000 or captured and put into public benefits. 2396 04:06:55,000 --> 04:07:00,000 And so in the city of Hermosa Beach, the LVR policies that were 2397 04:07:00,000 --> 04:07:06,000 adopted are intended to fund affordable housing in the city. 2398 04:07:06,000 --> 04:07:09,000 And so with that, if I can go to the next slide. 2399 04:07:09,000 --> 04:07:16,000 And so land value recapture, as mentioned, is Program 7 of the 2400 04:07:16,000 --> 04:07:18,000 housing element. 2401 04:07:18,000 --> 04:07:26,000 And the objective is to create affordable housing through a housing 2402 04:07:26,000 --> 04:07:31,000 trust or through private public partnerships or however it may be 2403 04:07:31,000 --> 04:07:32,000 envisioned. 2404 04:07:32,000 --> 04:07:36,000 So with that, we can go to the next slide. 2405 04:07:36,000 --> 04:07:40,000 To implement that program, the city made some zoning changes. 2406 04:07:40,000 --> 04:07:44,000 Specifically, the housing element overlay rezoned a number of 2407 04:07:44,000 --> 04:07:50,000 residential properties to allow for the ability to develop residential 2408 04:07:50,000 --> 04:08:01,000 on its own or as part of a mixed use project. 2409 04:08:01,000 --> 04:08:06,000 In follow-up to the rezoning, the housing element overlay 2410 04:08:06,000 --> 04:08:14,000 established, which properties would be required to be developed with 2411 04:08:14,000 --> 04:08:20,000 affordable housing or to, in absence of developing that housing, 2412 04:08:20,000 --> 04:08:28,000 if it was a residential project, be required to pay the LVR fee. 2413 04:08:28,000 --> 04:08:33,000 And so projects that are exempt would, or sites that would be 2414 04:08:33,000 --> 04:08:37,000 exempt would be sites that are not developed for residential. 2415 04:08:37,000 --> 04:08:41,000 So if you maintained commercial development and did not propose 2416 04:08:41,000 --> 04:08:45,000 residential housing, you would not be subject to the fee. 2417 04:08:45,000 --> 04:08:53,000 Next slide. 2418 04:08:53,000 --> 04:08:57,000 So the LVR ordinance, as it was designed, was intended to incentivize 2419 04:08:57,000 --> 04:09:02,000 development of affordable housing through the imposition of the LVR fee. 2420 04:09:02,000 --> 04:09:09,000 The fee was set at rates that were intended to encourage the development 2421 04:09:09,000 --> 04:09:17,000 instead of the payment of the fee. 2422 04:09:17,000 --> 04:09:24,000 And then, again, just to recap, LVR fees are not required 2423 04:09:24,000 --> 04:09:29,000 if the property owner maintains the commercial development. 2424 04:09:29,000 --> 04:09:34,000 So the fee was implemented as a two-tier fee structure, 2425 04:09:34,000 --> 04:09:37,000 providing a lower fee for smaller lots. 2426 04:09:37,000 --> 04:09:41,000 And again, that's lots with four or fewer units. 2427 04:09:41,000 --> 04:09:45,000 Next slide. 2428 04:09:45,000 --> 04:09:49,000 The Planning Commission in their review of the LVR fee 2429 04:09:49,000 --> 04:09:52,000 determined that there should be some adjustments 2430 04:09:52,000 --> 04:09:58,000 and made several recommendations to change the fee structure. 2431 04:09:58,000 --> 04:10:03,000 Specifically, tier one was subdivided into two tiers, 2432 04:10:03,000 --> 04:10:05,000 as shown on the left side of the screen, 2433 04:10:05,000 --> 04:10:10,000 so that one lots that had a maximum density of one to two units 2434 04:10:10,000 --> 04:10:13,000 would no longer be subject to the LVR fee, 2435 04:10:13,000 --> 04:10:16,000 regardless of whether they built housing or not. 2436 04:10:16,000 --> 04:10:22,000 And then lots that have a maximum density of three to four units 2437 04:10:22,000 --> 04:10:27,000 are being recommended to have a reduction for 24 months 2438 04:10:27,000 --> 04:10:31,000 from $76 to $40. 2439 04:10:31,000 --> 04:10:39,000 And Planning Commission also made a third recommendation, 2440 04:10:39,000 --> 04:10:43,000 which was to undertake zone text amendments 2441 04:10:43,000 --> 04:10:46,000 that could help to facilitate the development 2442 04:10:46,000 --> 04:10:51,000 of residential units on these smaller lots. 2443 04:10:51,000 --> 04:10:54,000 Staff's recommendation is that if this direction 2444 04:10:54,000 --> 04:10:57,000 is given from the City Council tonight, 2445 04:10:57,000 --> 04:11:01,000 that the zone text amendments be incorporated 2446 04:11:01,000 --> 04:11:04,000 into the broader zoning code work that's being done 2447 04:11:04,000 --> 04:11:08,000 and not taken forward as an isolated item 2448 04:11:08,000 --> 04:11:10,000 so that we can continue to make progress 2449 04:11:10,000 --> 04:11:13,000 on the larger work effort. 2450 04:11:13,000 --> 04:11:15,000 Next slide. 2451 04:11:15,000 --> 04:11:19,000 The amendments to the fee schedule are exempt 2452 04:11:19,000 --> 04:11:23,000 from the California Environmental Quality Act. 2453 04:11:24,000 --> 04:11:27,000 And with that, next slide, 2454 04:11:30,000 --> 04:11:33,000 the recommendation is to find the project exempt 2455 04:11:33,000 --> 04:11:35,000 to amend the fee schedule as recommended 2456 04:11:35,000 --> 04:11:37,000 by the Planning Commission and direct staff 2457 04:11:37,000 --> 04:11:41,000 to pursue zone regulations 2458 04:11:41,000 --> 04:11:46,000 that would facilitate residential units on small lots 2459 04:11:46,000 --> 04:11:49,000 as part of the larger zoning code update. 2460 04:11:49,000 --> 04:11:51,000 With that, that concludes my report. 2461 04:11:51,000 --> 04:11:55,000 I stand by for questions as is Director Becker available. 2462 04:11:55,000 --> 04:11:57,000 Thank you very much for your report. 2463 04:11:57,000 --> 04:11:58,000 I appreciate that. 2464 04:11:58,000 --> 04:12:03,000 Are there any questions from Council for staff? 2465 04:12:03,000 --> 04:12:06,000 Yes, Councilman Jackson. 2466 04:12:06,000 --> 04:12:07,000 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 2467 04:12:07,000 --> 04:12:09,000 Thank you for the brief. 2468 04:12:09,000 --> 04:12:12,000 I appreciate it. 2469 04:12:12,000 --> 04:12:16,000 Question one is, has any developer or business owner, 2470 04:12:17,000 --> 04:12:21,000 anyone within the city come to your office 2471 04:12:21,000 --> 04:12:25,000 with actual plans or even conceptual early stage proposals 2472 04:12:25,000 --> 04:12:28,000 for a mixed use project anywhere in the city? 2473 04:12:33,000 --> 04:12:37,000 Yes, we do have in the city in general. 2474 04:12:37,000 --> 04:12:41,000 Yes, we've processed a couple of mixed use projects already 2475 04:12:41,000 --> 04:12:45,000 downtown Hermosa. 2476 04:12:45,000 --> 04:12:48,000 Can you tell me, I'm aware of one that's outside 2477 04:12:48,000 --> 04:12:49,000 of the downtown area. 2478 04:12:49,000 --> 04:12:51,000 Is there another one somewhere that I'm unaware of? 2479 04:12:54,000 --> 04:12:57,000 On Hermosa Beach, Planning Commission approved one, 2480 04:12:59,000 --> 04:13:03,000 Hermosa Avenue, excuse me, approved a, 2481 04:13:03,000 --> 04:13:07,000 I think it was a two unit with ground floor residential, 2482 04:13:07,000 --> 04:13:10,000 but it's in an existing mixed use zone. 2483 04:13:10,000 --> 04:13:13,000 On the overlay site specifically, 2484 04:13:13,000 --> 04:13:16,000 we have not had a mixed use project. 2485 04:13:16,000 --> 04:13:17,000 Okay. 2486 04:13:17,000 --> 04:13:22,000 And how are we doing overall with our HCD numbers? 2487 04:13:22,000 --> 04:13:28,000 How many units have been built period with regard to affordable, 2488 04:13:28,000 --> 04:13:31,000 very affordable market rate, et cetera? 2489 04:13:31,000 --> 04:13:33,000 Where are we with those numbers? 2490 04:13:33,000 --> 04:13:35,000 Because we're talking about, you know, 2491 04:13:35,000 --> 04:13:39,000 the focus is affordable housing and we had a policy 2492 04:13:39,000 --> 04:13:43,000 that to help to hopefully promote affordable housing, 2493 04:13:43,000 --> 04:13:49,000 but the rolling back of this land value recapture would 2494 04:13:49,000 --> 04:13:54,000 promote market rate housing as opposed to affordable housing. 2495 04:13:54,000 --> 04:14:00,000 So I'm trying to figure out where we are overall 2496 04:14:00,000 --> 04:14:03,000 with our HCD numbers because we're focused on 2497 04:14:03,000 --> 04:14:06,000 the land value recapture component, 2498 04:14:06,000 --> 04:14:09,000 but where are we overall with those general numbers? 2499 04:14:09,000 --> 04:14:11,000 Thank you for the question. 2500 04:14:11,000 --> 04:14:15,000 With regards to affordable housing units, 2501 04:14:15,000 --> 04:14:17,000 so non-market rate, 2502 04:14:17,000 --> 04:14:23,000 we have no devoted or deed restricted units thus far? 2503 04:14:26,000 --> 04:14:28,000 Okay, and that's throughout the whole city. 2504 04:14:28,000 --> 04:14:31,000 And are you familiar with land banking? 2505 04:14:31,000 --> 04:14:36,000 In concept, yes, I'm familiar with it. 2506 04:14:36,000 --> 04:14:39,000 And so with this current proposal, 2507 04:14:39,000 --> 04:14:43,000 prevent land banking where the landowner basically holds 2508 04:14:43,000 --> 04:14:47,000 onto the property indefinitely without building 2509 04:14:47,000 --> 04:14:51,000 or contributing to the economic activity within the city? 2510 04:14:56,000 --> 04:14:59,000 Would it prevent land banking? 2511 04:14:59,000 --> 04:15:00,000 Right. 2512 04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:06,960 We've rolled this back and there's no land value recapture. And so somebody in theory could bank, 2513 04:15:10,080 --> 04:15:18,640 is there anything that prohibits somebody from holding on to the property indefinitely 2514 04:15:19,440 --> 04:15:24,400 without ever building? Because you mentioned that in one of the, I think it was number two, you said 2515 04:15:24,400 --> 04:15:31,360 regardless, they maintain the value, the value is increased regardless of whether they build housing 2516 04:15:31,360 --> 04:15:37,040 or not. That was one of the statements I believe you made. Thank you for the clarification. Yeah, 2517 04:15:37,040 --> 04:15:41,840 so there is nothing to prevent someone from holding on to the property. Okay. 2518 04:15:44,080 --> 04:15:49,040 Thank you. That's all I had, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Any other questions? Yes, 2519 04:15:49,040 --> 04:15:58,960 Councilor Francois. Thank you. It was several years ago when the land value recapture program was 2520 04:16:00,080 --> 04:16:06,560 added into the housing element, is that correct? Correct. Yeah, and I believe that at that time 2521 04:16:08,480 --> 04:16:16,320 Mayor Pro Tem D'Toy and myself voted against including it, but it got included in the housing 2522 04:16:16,320 --> 04:16:22,480 element and so now it's part of a housing element. It is a part of the housing element. And at the 2523 04:16:22,480 --> 04:16:27,440 time I personally voted against it because I didn't think there was any evidence to show that 2524 04:16:27,440 --> 04:16:32,080 it was going to help our housing stock at all. So now that it's in our housing element, 2525 04:16:33,840 --> 04:16:40,480 are we in jeopardy at all if we remove the land value recapture from the housing element, 2526 04:16:40,480 --> 04:16:47,200 if we realize that it's not really a known incentive? Is there a problem with 2527 04:16:48,160 --> 04:16:53,680 our housing element if we do that now? So today the city has a certified housing element that 2528 04:16:53,680 --> 04:17:01,040 includes one of the strategies being land value recapture. So I think it would put the city 2529 04:17:01,040 --> 04:17:08,000 in a situation mid-cycle to make such a change. I think if you, City Council, wanted to make 2530 04:17:08,720 --> 04:17:13,040 change a more appropriate time would be to think of the next cycle and 2531 04:17:15,120 --> 04:17:21,120 the city would have to have other mechanisms and strategies for facilitating affordable housing 2532 04:17:21,120 --> 04:17:28,560 in the city in place of that. Right. And you will be pursuing other avenues, developer 2533 04:17:28,560 --> 04:17:36,080 fees and other things that could help with those numbers, correct? That would be in the process? 2534 04:17:38,320 --> 04:17:43,360 For example, well on the agenda you have future looking at 2535 04:17:44,480 --> 04:17:48,560 explore zoning regulations that encourage development, right? That's what we're talking about, right? 2536 04:17:49,680 --> 04:17:57,520 That is a part of today's action, correct? So your recommendation tonight is to 2537 04:17:58,400 --> 04:18:05,040 remove the fees for one and two units, the lowest size because those are least likely to ever 2538 04:18:05,040 --> 04:18:09,680 be developed if we have this fee structure in place, is that correct? That was the Planning 2539 04:18:09,680 --> 04:18:14,640 Commission's recommendation was to eliminate the fee for one and two units. Now, is there any 2540 04:18:14,640 --> 04:18:25,280 reason why they didn't recommend that for larger units? So lots that with five or more units, 2541 04:18:28,960 --> 04:18:34,800 the discussion was not focused on the larger lots based on City Council's direction. It was 2542 04:18:34,800 --> 04:18:41,760 really focused on the smaller lots. But what I will say is in terms of the history of the LVR 2543 04:18:41,760 --> 04:18:49,840 ordinance, five is kind of opens up avenues in terms of the development potential. It's linked 2544 04:18:49,840 --> 04:18:56,560 to the density bonus at state law. So I think the thinking there is there's a greater potential 2545 04:18:57,360 --> 04:19:03,600 to likelihood for development of affordable housing with five or more. 2546 04:19:03,600 --> 04:19:11,760 Gotcha. So if we were, for example, to recommend this evening that we eliminate fees for not just 2547 04:19:11,760 --> 04:19:17,360 one and two but three and four, that's under the five threshold. We would not be jeopardizing our 2548 04:19:17,360 --> 04:19:22,880 housing element by just reducing those fees to nothing. Is that safe to assume? 2549 04:19:26,160 --> 04:19:30,560 Or are you just going along with Planning Commission's recommendation to eliminate fees on 2550 04:19:30,560 --> 04:19:34,640 one and two? I'm just wondering the difference between one and two and three and four. 2551 04:19:34,640 --> 04:19:36,880 She isn't going along with anything. She's just reporting. 2552 04:19:37,760 --> 04:19:44,000 Well, it's a matter of the impact on our housing element. That's the stickler here, I think. 2553 04:19:44,000 --> 04:19:47,360 Yeah, for the record, this is Allison Becker, the Community Development Director. 2554 04:19:48,400 --> 04:19:58,960 I recommend that we be, you know, we're gingerly handling the request from the council to 2555 04:19:58,960 --> 04:20:08,240 consider changes to the Land Value Recapture Program. We're mid-cycle. We will be beginning our 2556 04:20:08,240 --> 04:20:16,160 process to develop our next cycle housing element within two years. And at that time, 2557 04:20:16,160 --> 04:20:21,920 if we are really not seeing uptake with Land Value Recapture in terms of 2558 04:20:22,880 --> 04:20:31,440 revenues, which can help us subsidize or otherwise support affordable housing production, 2559 04:20:31,440 --> 04:20:41,680 we can design a new program. But LVR is a foundational piece of our affordable housing 2560 04:20:41,760 --> 04:20:49,120 development strategy. And so I would be very careful about expanding the 2561 04:20:51,680 --> 04:20:59,120 reduction in potential impact of the program. Okay, I appreciate that answer. I thought there was 2562 04:20:59,120 --> 04:21:07,040 some legitimacy to it being okay to make it apply to under five units. It was a five-unit cutoff 2563 04:21:07,040 --> 04:21:14,960 that the state would not, it wouldn't affect our housing element if we reduced it to zero on 2564 04:21:14,960 --> 04:21:25,120 up to four. So as we were preparing for the planning commission meeting, we did look very 2565 04:21:25,120 --> 04:21:34,000 specifically at the total number of parcels that are covered by the affordable housing overlay, 2566 04:21:34,000 --> 04:21:39,600 the percentage of them that meet the very small definition versus the 2567 04:21:40,400 --> 04:21:49,200 not quite as very small definition, and are again really trying to kind of find that balance 2568 04:21:49,200 --> 04:22:01,360 and reduce the total impact on the units, the affordable units that are associated with 2569 04:22:02,320 --> 04:22:08,240 particular parcels that are on our survey. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you for 2570 04:22:08,240 --> 04:22:12,400 answering those questions. All right, thank you. Are there any other questions of staff? 2571 04:22:13,760 --> 04:22:19,440 Seeing none, I will move to public comment, open public comment right now. Madam City Clerk. 2572 04:22:20,080 --> 04:22:27,040 Mr. Mayor, we did not receive any speaker cards for this item. On Zoom, we have Matt McCool. 2573 04:22:31,360 --> 04:22:46,080 Good. Okay. I'm a little taller. John David. So I guess, so I've been up here since 2022, 2023. 2574 04:22:46,800 --> 04:22:52,160 I've warned that this is a poison pill program. It does no pathway for affordable housing, 2575 04:22:52,160 --> 04:22:57,040 and it just blocks housing altogether. It functions as a regressive tax, 2576 04:22:57,760 --> 04:23:06,240 so it reduces any possibility of development, reducing supply, drives up cost, and that doesn't 2577 04:23:06,240 --> 04:23:11,120 help people with affordability, hurts the lower income people the most. That's just not my 2578 04:23:11,120 --> 04:23:21,040 conclusion. A study from UCLA concluded that. So what is the program? It is just a program 2579 04:23:21,120 --> 04:23:28,080 that programmatically makes small infill housing in Hermosa Beach infeasible on our commercial 2580 04:23:28,080 --> 04:23:34,640 lots. It's not me again saying it. Just go look at page 13 through 16 on Cosmon Study. 2581 04:23:34,640 --> 04:23:43,440 By the city's own math, you can't build a six unit, an eight unit. All you can build is a 2582 04:23:43,520 --> 04:23:50,320 density bonus 12 unit project. So it's literally a war on our small development 2583 04:23:51,760 --> 04:23:57,600 forces property owners to build density bonus projects or nothing. What you got is you got 2584 04:23:57,600 --> 04:24:03,120 nothing. That's an ineffective program, and you can't capture any value if you don't create 2585 04:24:03,120 --> 04:24:12,960 that value. The other thing is the program fails to really understand the owners who are 2586 04:24:12,960 --> 04:24:20,800 small lots. They're past and present shop owners, residents. These properties function as people's 2587 04:24:20,800 --> 04:24:28,560 pension plans for the entrepreneurs. You can't slap a 55 year deed restriction that limits 2588 04:24:28,560 --> 04:24:33,680 pension payments and expect you're going to get any participation. That's completely unrealistic. 2589 04:24:34,560 --> 04:24:40,480 The other thing about this policy, it's an incentive trap that pushes small property owners 2590 04:24:40,480 --> 04:24:46,720 to sell their properties to large development that will consolidate. That's not a success. 2591 04:24:46,720 --> 04:24:55,920 That's not what the community wants. The other thing to realize is that HCD didn't ask for 2592 04:24:55,920 --> 04:25:01,040 this. They didn't ask for this program. What they're asking for is numbers, and this program 2593 04:25:01,040 --> 04:25:06,720 blocks housing. The attorney maybe can talk about it. It creates an amazing amount of 2594 04:25:06,720 --> 04:25:13,280 legal jeopardy because we've seen no progress. We've proven mathematically that it blocks 2595 04:25:13,280 --> 04:25:23,920 housing, protected housing, 10 units and under. Although we have to be cautious of not triggering 2596 04:25:23,920 --> 04:25:30,320 a mid-cycle review, we have to be careful also of following the law, of having HCD come to us 2597 04:25:30,320 --> 04:25:36,320 and say, we mathematically proved, our study, proved that we're blocking housing, blocking 2598 04:25:36,320 --> 04:25:45,920 protected housing, and why didn't you fix it? My recommendations for you tonight is first 2599 04:25:45,920 --> 04:25:52,880 follow the rule of holds. If you're in a hole, stop digging. Eliminate one to two unit projects. 2600 04:25:55,040 --> 04:25:59,680 They were just market rate anyhow on their housing element. Exempt three to four units 2601 04:25:59,680 --> 04:26:04,640 and then go ahead, ask staff to look at exempting 10 units and under so we can comply with law, 2602 04:26:05,600 --> 04:26:11,440 and then look for positive incentives. Sorry, I went over. Thank you, John. By the way, 2603 04:26:12,320 --> 04:26:18,960 I know both of you and several other people waited here all night long earlier, and the rest of 2604 04:26:18,960 --> 04:26:23,360 leaving tonight also. So I'm going to give you a little leeway on the time a little bit. So 2605 04:26:24,160 --> 04:26:27,840 you've certainly put in your time to be able to speak on this subject. So 2606 04:26:28,320 --> 04:26:33,360 I appreciate it. A little bit extra time. So thank you. Next we have Laura Pena. 2607 04:26:39,760 --> 04:26:45,280 Laura Pena, 2021, that's the only question I want to give to John's statement. We've been up here 2608 04:26:45,280 --> 04:26:49,280 talking about land value recapture. So I went back to some of the old meetings and I can't 2609 04:26:49,280 --> 04:26:53,920 believe we're still talking about it. There's a correction on the PowerPoint. You didn't 2610 04:26:53,920 --> 04:27:05,280 increase Tier 2 to 112 or 114. Not that I know. So, you know, wrong. I recently heard three interesting 2611 04:27:05,280 --> 04:27:11,440 quotes. It appears to me land value recapture has become a constraint on the development of 2612 04:27:11,440 --> 04:27:18,800 residential properties on upper peer. Two, so far it has generated zero for low-income housing. 2613 04:27:18,800 --> 04:27:26,720 The program has failed. Three, I cannot fathom another hurdle, restriction, cost. If I had it in 2614 04:27:26,720 --> 04:27:34,320 my way, I would like to see this go away completely forever. These are not my words. These are the 2615 04:27:34,320 --> 04:27:40,240 words of your own planning commission appointed by council who reviewed the evidence, read the 2616 04:27:40,240 --> 04:27:46,720 reports, talked to business owners, listened to residents, and voted unanimously to remove LVR 2617 04:27:46,720 --> 04:27:54,720 on our smallest lots. Now, this unanimous felt matters because it reflects clarity, not politics. 2618 04:27:55,360 --> 04:28:01,760 It reflects reality, not theory. I'm here tonight as a business owner and a resident to 2619 04:28:01,760 --> 04:28:08,400 say something very simple. We should listen. But I think we can go further because what I did 2620 04:28:08,400 --> 04:28:13,040 is I went back to plan Hermosa, you know, that 240-page document that we're supposed to 2621 04:28:13,040 --> 04:28:23,600 rely on. And this program is in clear contradiction to policy 5.3 in goal five that says establish 2622 04:28:23,600 --> 04:28:29,200 clear and unambiguous regulations and policies to clearly communicate the city's expectations 2623 04:28:29,200 --> 04:28:36,800 for new development. LVR revolves on an evolving assumption about value creation and future 2624 04:28:36,800 --> 04:28:43,680 market conditions. That's so much ambiguity. No one would ever predict it. The general plan 2625 04:28:43,680 --> 04:28:49,360 assumes that property owners will respond to incentives. They will like regulations that 2626 04:28:49,360 --> 04:28:55,120 enable not block the desired outcomes. So if you've got zero application and zero 2627 04:28:56,720 --> 04:29:03,520 housing projects, this is a failed policy. And pretending a failed policy is working 2628 04:29:03,600 --> 04:29:09,440 is making our housing crisis worse. I agree with staff's recommendations to explore zoning 2629 04:29:09,440 --> 04:29:14,960 regulations that encourage development. Your planning commission has told you clearly, 2630 04:29:15,680 --> 04:29:22,160 now it's your turn. Remove LVR off small lots and don't pull a number out of the hat. 2631 04:29:22,960 --> 04:29:27,200 That is exactly the kind of policy that's going to get our city in trouble. And for 2632 04:29:27,200 --> 04:29:33,840 those of us who have been fighting for five years trying to tell you what would happen, 2633 04:29:35,040 --> 04:29:38,080 I'm done talking about this anymore. Thank you. 2634 04:29:46,240 --> 04:29:52,320 John Burry, I wish Cosmant were on the stand tonight because you could cross examine them 2635 04:29:52,320 --> 04:29:57,200 because not even they would stand up for this. I don't think it was ever 2636 04:29:57,920 --> 04:30:00,000 implemented in a way that Cosmant truly 2637 04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:24,000 You adopted something that was novel by your own admission. It was something that was in less than 30% of cities in California, and then you took a look at the similar cities and the fees, and then staff made a recommendation, and then the council then, at that point, ignored those recommendations. 2638 04:30:24,000 --> 04:30:44,000 And then you looked at other cities and their exemptions of small lots, and you saw that the vast majority of comparable cities exempted the small lots, and you ignored that evidence. And then you heard the testimony from commercial property owners, and yet you ignored that. 2639 04:30:44,000 --> 04:31:13,000 And let's be honest, LVR was always a poison pill. There's a piece of this that was conceived more as a deterrent to build as remedy threats, as much as any real incentive to affordable housing, and it's resulted in zero development, zero affordable housing, and zero improvement of the building fabric in some pieces of the downtown, which is not great. 2640 04:31:15,000 --> 04:31:36,000 It's a policy that was championed by three attorneys, or quasi attorneys, who somehow think that a penalty can magically become an incentive. Just tread a little less heavily in everybody's lives, and we might be a bit better off. 2641 04:31:37,000 --> 04:32:04,000 It was championed with such certainty by those three council members, and one particular ex-member of the planning commission, it's a dud. The only way it's going to explode is right in our faces, in a court, challenged by a developer, challenging our entire housing element as this piece is a poison pill that can make affordable housing infeasible. 2642 04:32:05,000 --> 04:32:17,000 So I would go further tonight than the planning commission recommended. I leave it up to you, but I would go a little bit further than the planning commission recommended. It should never have happened like this. 2643 04:32:18,000 --> 04:32:25,000 It was driven as much by ideology as it was by logic, and it needs to go away and you need to learn the lesson. 2644 04:32:28,000 --> 04:32:29,000 Thank you. 2645 04:32:29,000 --> 04:32:34,000 Moving over to Zoom, we have Matt McCool. 2646 04:32:40,000 --> 04:32:52,000 Hello City Council staff, Matt McCool. Great public comment so far. Appreciate it. I'm not going to repeat any of it, but I want to go ahead and say I called this out when this happened. I told you so. Nothing has happened. 2647 04:32:53,000 --> 04:33:09,000 Mr Burry talked about ideology. This was driven by woke ideology, and you have two conflicting ideas working here. You want to have mixed use in the downtown area, but you also want to have affordable housing. 2648 04:33:10,000 --> 04:33:20,000 Calfman Jackson, when he's gone over this for many years and he's talked about affordable housing, affordable housing, first off, there's no such thing as affordable housing. It's called government subsidized housing. 2649 04:33:21,000 --> 04:33:35,000 And I have always said this, and I said this when we had these meetings, there is plenty of affordable housing in Hermosa Beach. I know this because I took advantage of it. It was early on in my life, in my 20s, it was called having roommates. 2650 04:33:36,000 --> 04:33:53,000 So there's plenty of affordable housing. But this government restriction is preventing mixed use happening in the downtown area. I consider myself a foremost expert on this because for many years I live in the only mixed use building in the downtown area in Hermosa Beach. 2651 04:33:53,000 --> 04:34:09,000 I had many, many parties where people would come over and they said they would love living on a mixed use building on Pier Avenue. The city is restricting this development. They're restricting the culture and the development of the city that everybody wants to have. 2652 04:34:09,000 --> 04:34:20,000 My heart goes out for lower opinion and her frustration. The demand is there. The demand is there from the people who want to go ahead and live on Pier and there's demand there for the people and the owners and the developers. 2653 04:34:20,000 --> 04:34:33,000 This needs to be addressed. I don't know how far and how deep you're going to get in this tonight, but at the very least I agree with Councilman Francois. You need to go ahead and do the zero reduction to the four units. That's my time. That's my piece. Thank you. 2654 04:34:37,000 --> 04:34:39,000 Thank you. Next is Nancy Schwabach. 2655 04:34:39,000 --> 04:35:04,000 I really appreciate Alison's presentation and acknowledgement that it's time to take a look back and it goes back to the same after action reports that we did with the unhoused. Okay, we tried something. It didn't work. 2656 04:35:05,000 --> 04:35:23,000 I would hope that the State Housing Board would say, hey, you tried something. It didn't work and now you're reassessing it and changing it and whether it leads to affordable housing or it just leads to more housing. 2657 04:35:24,000 --> 04:35:44,000 I think it will be a great thing and I would like to call Councilmember Jackson out when this first happened. He said, we don't need more affordable housing in Hermosa Beach. We need more housing or vice versa and it was at the same time that he was saying we're not going to give anybody parking passes. 2658 04:35:45,000 --> 04:36:05,000 So not to conflate to issues, but if we are going to, which I think we should, get rid of this thing entirely, don't reduce it, whatever, land value recapture should not be there. 2659 04:36:06,000 --> 04:36:18,000 And then we're going to have to look at whether we are going to allow developers and property owners parking concessions in connection with this new housing. 2660 04:36:19,000 --> 04:36:44,000 And I think we should, much like we do with ADUs, but it's all part and parcel that needs to be considered in my opinion in a more thoughtful manner than it was under the old administration, which just was ridiculous in my point of view. Thank you. 2661 04:36:45,000 --> 04:36:46,000 Thank you Nancy. 2662 04:36:49,000 --> 04:36:51,000 Sir Mayor, I don't see any other virtual hands race. 2663 04:36:52,000 --> 04:36:54,000 Okay. Anyone left in Council? 2664 04:36:55,000 --> 04:37:00,000 Last call. All right. Seeing none, I'll close public comment and come back to City Council. 2665 04:37:01,000 --> 04:37:05,000 I did have another couple of questions of staff if it's okay. 2666 04:37:05,000 --> 04:37:34,000 The question of parking actually just did come up, and if on a mixed use development, let's say for instance on these small ones that we're talking about, land value capture or otherwise, on a mixed use there are parking requirements for the residential unit above the commercial unit for mixed use. 2667 04:37:35,000 --> 04:37:36,000 Correct. 2668 04:37:37,000 --> 04:37:44,000 And those parking requirements are what we currently have for all other residential units or are they somewhat different because they're in a mixed use project? 2669 04:37:47,000 --> 04:38:03,000 I believe we have in the mixed use section that there is considerations for shared parking between the commercial and the residential and offhand. 2670 04:38:03,000 --> 04:38:08,000 I can't remember what other, if it's a reduced parking rate. 2671 04:38:09,000 --> 04:38:17,000 And then when you get into projects that are utilizing the state density bonus, there's alternative parking based on that. 2672 04:38:18,000 --> 04:38:21,000 Right. Yeah, they get density bonuses. 2673 04:38:22,000 --> 04:38:31,000 Is it possible for a mixed use project that has no possible way of providing parking? 2674 04:38:32,000 --> 04:38:40,000 How do we deal with that? Do they buy in lieu spaces like a commercial property? Would they pay a fee for? 2675 04:38:41,000 --> 04:39:02,000 So in the downtown zone, they could be eligible for, I think, in Llufi. I don't think there's a restriction on the program as to only being commercial, but we would, I think if it was a mixed use it would still be eligible, but I think I would need to double check how that in Llufi was written. 2676 04:39:03,000 --> 04:39:22,000 Also, I know from years and years of experience when you develop a residential property, not necessarily mixed use, but a residential property on a residential lot, that you have to pay sewer use fee, developer fees, school tax and so on and so forth. 2677 04:39:23,000 --> 04:39:28,000 These units that would be built in a mixed use project would be the same. Would they be subject to all of those? 2678 04:39:28,000 --> 04:39:29,000 Yes, they would. 2679 04:39:30,000 --> 04:39:37,000 And I know in Manhattan Beach they're discussing a developer fee for these projects. Do we have anything such like that? 2680 04:39:39,000 --> 04:39:42,000 I'm not familiar with what Manhattan Beach is currently. 2681 04:39:43,000 --> 04:39:44,000 Impact fee. 2682 04:39:44,000 --> 04:39:50,000 Oh, an impact fee for new development. I'm sorry, what type of impact fee? 2683 04:39:51,000 --> 04:39:53,000 Yeah. Do we have anything like that? 2684 04:39:54,000 --> 04:39:56,000 Per unit impact fee for infrastructure. 2685 04:39:56,000 --> 04:40:08,000 In other words, they pick up, these units would be impacting our infrastructure, our sewer system, school system, water system and so on. Do they pay a fee for that? 2686 04:40:09,000 --> 04:40:15,000 So we do have some impact fees. I don't know if ours is equivalent to what Manhattan Beach is currently doing. 2687 04:40:16,000 --> 04:40:17,000 But we do. 2688 04:40:17,000 --> 04:40:18,000 We do have some impact fees for it. 2689 04:40:18,000 --> 04:40:19,000 All right. 2690 04:40:19,000 --> 04:40:21,000 Okay, that's all the questions I had. Thank you. 2691 04:40:22,000 --> 04:40:23,000 Okay. 2692 04:40:24,000 --> 04:40:25,000 Discussion. 2693 04:40:26,000 --> 04:40:27,000 Let's bring it back. 2694 04:40:27,000 --> 04:40:30,000 Public comment is closed. Let's bring it back to council for discussion. 2695 04:40:33,000 --> 04:40:34,000 All right. I'd like to start. 2696 04:40:35,000 --> 04:40:36,000 And if no one else does. 2697 04:40:38,000 --> 04:40:44,000 So from the very beginning of this issue of land value recapture, I have been struggling with it. 2698 04:40:44,000 --> 04:40:48,000 Maybe six, seven years ago, maybe eight years ago was on planning commission. 2699 04:40:49,000 --> 04:40:52,000 I was an active developer at that time. 2700 04:40:52,000 --> 04:40:54,000 And of course, since then I've retired. 2701 04:40:54,000 --> 04:40:57,000 But I've been struggling with this issue since then. 2702 04:40:58,000 --> 04:41:06,000 As a retired developer at first, I honestly, I objected to any entity reaching into the pocket of a property owner or developer, 2703 04:41:07,000 --> 04:41:10,000 thereby causing a higher cost for project. 2704 04:41:10,000 --> 04:41:13,000 I just could not fathom how we could possibly even imagine that. 2705 04:41:15,000 --> 04:41:25,000 As a developer, there have been projects where I have pretty much mortgaged myself up to my ears and put everything I had into a project to purchase the land, 2706 04:41:26,000 --> 04:41:28,000 which is incredibly expensive and or most of we all know that. 2707 04:41:29,000 --> 04:41:39,000 Get the plans strong, get the financing going, get the mortgage myself to the limit to get a project underway and then get it completed. 2708 04:41:40,000 --> 04:41:46,000 And then stay up nights worrying about there's a real estate market going to just drop out of the bottom of this and I'm going to be stuck holding the bag. 2709 04:41:47,000 --> 04:41:51,000 I'll end up going back to pouring concrete and framing apartment buildings in the valley. 2710 04:41:53,000 --> 04:42:01,000 So I could not understand why we would ever want to go, hey, Mr developer there, even some developers, of course, 2711 04:42:02,000 --> 04:42:08,000 they got a lot of money and they come in here and they're going to just blow through everything and make a bunch of money and leave her most and they don't really care. 2712 04:42:09,000 --> 04:42:17,000 I was never like that. I lived here. This was my town and I worked here and I built these things in this city because I wanted to improve it. 2713 04:42:18,000 --> 04:42:35,000 I wanted to make money, of course, that was my business, but not at the expense of building a poor project and not at the expense of paying a fee to someone that did not share with the responsibility of developing something like that in this city. 2714 04:42:35,000 --> 04:42:39,000 So I was against it. I thought it was a ridiculous idea. 2715 04:42:40,000 --> 04:42:54,000 But then after time, that was when I was on Planning Commission, after time state mandates came along and they really changed the face of development and they imposed local control on us. 2716 04:42:55,000 --> 04:42:59,000 And I saw some merit in sharing some of the added value in producing low income units. 2717 04:43:00,000 --> 04:43:10,000 So I was changing my mind a little bit and I was sort of for it and I voted for it on Planning Commission when we did this. 2718 04:43:11,000 --> 04:43:24,000 And then I'd like to just stop right here for a second and say that I think that being able to change your mind as a Planning Commissioner or Councilman or Mayor or wherever you are in city government, I think is a plus, not a minus. 2719 04:43:25,000 --> 04:43:33,000 I don't think it can't make up your mind, you wishy washy, you don't really know what you're talking about, why don't you just pick a side and stay on it. 2720 04:43:34,000 --> 04:43:49,000 I don't think that way at all. I think it's a plus to be able to reevaluate something, a decision you made once, to reevaluate it and say the world changes, the situation changes, life changes, and so your opinion should change to go along with that. 2721 04:43:50,000 --> 04:43:55,000 And so I changed my mind at one point and I agreed with Van Valley Recapture. 2722 04:43:57,000 --> 04:44:07,000 Now we're in a different world, everything is different again because we're here, we're doing it and I realize that it is a failed experiment, it isn't working. 2723 04:44:08,000 --> 04:44:24,000 Honestly I think that what we have to do is change our mind again, we have to change the direction in which we've been going and I think Land Value Recapture is a place that we can do that. 2724 04:44:25,000 --> 04:44:50,000 I am in favor of kind of a balanced approach, I think that we should retailer the Land Value Recapture and I am in favor of a measured balanced approach and having development to encourage development, residential development in the commercial area as mixed use. 2725 04:44:50,000 --> 04:44:59,000 And I think that's best done in increments if we want to just do this the way that I think is the right way to do it now. 2726 04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:09,200 That we should eliminate land value recapture on small odds of one in two units minimum. I think I'm 2727 04:45:09,200 --> 04:45:17,440 in favor of reducing the fee for three to four units to $40 as the planning commission recommended 2728 04:45:18,720 --> 04:45:26,560 and leaving the other fees for larger projects the way they are for at least a period of 2729 04:45:27,520 --> 04:45:33,360 one or two, I would say two years because we're two years away from the next cycle. 2730 04:45:34,880 --> 04:45:40,560 I think we can evaluate how that works. If it works on lower and smaller lots and it encourages 2731 04:45:40,560 --> 04:45:45,920 development and makes more sense then next time around we'll maybe eliminate it completely. 2732 04:45:45,920 --> 04:45:50,320 So I'm not necessarily against, I just don't think we should just start hacking away at it 2733 04:45:50,320 --> 04:45:55,760 completely and dissolve it. I think there's maybe some merit to it in larger projects. 2734 04:45:55,760 --> 04:45:59,360 If you're going to build 16 or 20 units on somewhere on Pacific Coast Highway, 2735 04:46:01,600 --> 04:46:07,200 maybe the land value recapture, there might be some value to that then. Let's see what happens. 2736 04:46:07,200 --> 04:46:11,760 But for right now I think the very best thing we can do is follow the planning commission 2737 04:46:11,760 --> 04:46:17,360 recommendation. I think they got it right. I'm glad they thought of it. I'm not there 2738 04:46:17,360 --> 04:46:21,760 anymore. They did that on their own. God bless them and I agree with them. I think we should 2739 04:46:21,760 --> 04:46:28,160 lower the three to four unit properties to $40 a square foot, eliminate the land value recapture 2740 04:46:28,160 --> 04:46:34,720 on smaller lots, one and twos. And that's where I am with that. And so I'm sure there's more 2741 04:46:34,720 --> 04:46:39,360 comments and suggestions. And if there isn't, I would like to make a motion to 2742 04:46:40,720 --> 04:46:44,160 follow the planning commission recommendation. I'll second that, Mr. Mayor. 2743 04:46:44,800 --> 04:46:48,800 Moved and seconded. Any other further comments? A couple of comments, Mr. Mayor. 2744 04:46:48,800 --> 04:46:52,720 Yes, thank you. Councilman Jackson. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you, everybody, 2745 04:46:52,720 --> 04:46:59,600 for your public comments. The argument is that LVR is stifling development. 2746 04:46:59,600 --> 04:47:06,400 The claim is that we'd be building if only the city relaxes rules. But there's zero data 2747 04:47:06,400 --> 04:47:13,680 to support that notion. And whether we like it or not, I mean, you mentioned it, Mr. Mayor, 2748 04:47:14,560 --> 04:47:21,840 HCD is taken away and the state has taken away our local control. So whether we agree or not, 2749 04:47:21,840 --> 04:47:32,080 affordable housing is our mandate. And as we've learned with taxes, just like taxes, 2750 04:47:32,080 --> 04:47:38,320 trickle down housing doesn't work. So we need to try to incentivize 2751 04:47:38,560 --> 04:47:45,440 the building of housing that has an affordability component to it. So if someone has a 3,000 square 2752 04:47:45,440 --> 04:47:53,280 foot lot and they built a 400 square foot ADU or something like that that may benefit from 2753 04:47:54,400 --> 04:48:00,880 that upzoning and pay nothing into land value recapture. There are folks that are 2754 04:48:01,680 --> 04:48:05,920 in this panacea that if we relax the rules, all of a sudden it was going to be building 2755 04:48:05,920 --> 04:48:13,280 downtown. But we know from public comments that the most vocal folks who have been pushing this 2756 04:48:14,000 --> 04:48:19,040 have no plans to build. They're not displacing their tenants. They have no plan to build. 2757 04:48:19,040 --> 04:48:24,240 And I don't know of anybody else. We've got one person that's building and that's outside of 2758 04:48:24,240 --> 04:48:31,360 Peer Avenue. I mean, there are multifamily homes on either side of Peer Avenue right now. 2759 04:48:31,840 --> 04:48:37,920 So the thoughts that building a couple, again, there are no plans to build with somehow 2760 04:48:38,720 --> 04:48:44,160 jumpstart downtown, but the downtown is a whole separate issue and that's the business mix that 2761 04:48:44,160 --> 04:48:49,280 we've talked about. So whether we like it or not, affordability is the component. 2762 04:48:50,000 --> 04:48:56,720 Our community development director said, maybe the recommendation is we look to the 2763 04:48:56,720 --> 04:49:05,040 next cycle before we make any changes. You made one comment, Mr. Mayor, that I think if you would 2764 04:49:05,040 --> 04:49:14,080 support this, a LVR waiver structure that would apply to these small-scale projects. So we could 2765 04:49:14,080 --> 04:49:20,240 waive the land value recapture, but it would expire in three years if construction doesn't 2766 04:49:20,240 --> 04:49:27,360 start. So it's performance-based, somebody wants to build, they show that they're making good faith 2767 04:49:27,360 --> 04:49:32,480 effort to build, and that incentivizes action, which at the end of the day is what we're looking 2768 04:49:32,480 --> 04:49:38,400 for. We want projects that are actually going to, they're going to activate, underutilize spaces 2769 04:49:38,960 --> 04:49:44,960 and contribute to our community needs. So, and at the end of the day, you mentioned 2770 04:49:44,960 --> 04:49:48,320 infrastructure and everything else. That's the purpose of the land value recapture, 2771 04:49:48,320 --> 04:49:53,600 to provide that revenue stream for roads and lighting and all those things that come. 2772 04:49:53,600 --> 04:50:02,640 So, I don't know if there's any support for a waiver structure that would apply to these small 2773 04:50:02,640 --> 04:50:08,480 projects, but they have to show that there is some actual performance moving forward, 2774 04:50:08,480 --> 04:50:13,440 and they just don't bank the value of the up zoning for that property. 2775 04:50:14,160 --> 04:50:21,200 Well, thank you, Councilman Jackson, for your discussion. And I appreciate your thoughts. 2776 04:50:21,920 --> 04:50:27,120 I have to disagree with some of what you said. I think that by waiving these 2777 04:50:27,120 --> 04:50:32,080 of the fees completely on the small lots is an opportunity to see how it works. Let's get 2778 04:50:32,080 --> 04:50:35,840 started. And as Allison said here, that we're going to be starting on our next 2779 04:50:36,480 --> 04:50:43,200 phase of the housing element within two years. We need to have it ready in two years. 2780 04:50:44,080 --> 04:50:46,800 Are you ready to go? Yeah, okay, good. I hope we are. 2781 04:50:48,080 --> 04:50:54,320 Last eight years ago, I know it was, or six years ago, actually, we weren't ready on time. And so, 2782 04:50:54,320 --> 04:50:57,840 I want to be ready on time this time, and I want to get started on it. So, in two years, 2783 04:50:58,480 --> 04:51:02,160 we will be rediscussing all of this, including land value recapture. 2784 04:51:02,160 --> 04:51:06,000 Another thing you said was that the purpose of land value recapture is 2785 04:51:06,000 --> 04:51:12,320 to have that money to support our infrastructure, roads, and so on. That is not true at all, 2786 04:51:12,320 --> 04:51:16,720 actually. What the plan for this money is, and this is another concern I have with land value 2787 04:51:16,720 --> 04:51:22,480 recapture in general, is where is this money going to go? It definitely doesn't go into the 2788 04:51:22,480 --> 04:51:27,200 general fund. Definitely doesn't go into anything else except perhaps a housing 2789 04:51:29,520 --> 04:51:33,440 co-op, where we actually give this money to some other place so that they can develop 2790 04:51:33,440 --> 04:51:40,640 low-income housing, or to develop more low-income housing within our own city, 2791 04:51:40,640 --> 04:51:48,240 not roads and pavement and that sort of thing. So, I question that. By leaving it in for larger 2792 04:51:48,240 --> 04:51:55,280 developments, we have an opportunity to see how that, if it works there, then we leave it in. If 2793 04:51:55,280 --> 04:52:00,800 it doesn't, then we remove it on our next time around in two years. But I think it's important 2794 04:52:00,800 --> 04:52:09,200 to go one and two, remove it completely, and from three to five units to drop it to $40 2795 04:52:09,200 --> 04:52:15,680 a square foot and see if that does stimulate some work. I have to just point out one other thing. 2796 04:52:15,680 --> 04:52:21,600 This is a personal anecdote, but it's so important to what we're talking about right now. 2797 04:52:22,480 --> 04:52:29,600 I visited an apartment building in a Hormosa neighborhood just west of Pacific Coast Highway. 2798 04:52:30,480 --> 04:52:36,640 It was a 25-unit, I'm not sure exactly the number, but it was around 25-unit building. 2799 04:52:36,640 --> 04:52:39,680 They're completely remodeling the building, they've ripped out all the windows, all the doors, 2800 04:52:39,680 --> 04:52:42,320 everything they're putting into kitchens, the hardware floors, the whole works, 2801 04:52:42,320 --> 04:52:46,960 redoing every single unit in the building. But along with that, they have a central driveway 2802 04:52:46,960 --> 04:52:54,320 into a central garage parking area, common gate, and parking spaces on both sides of it, 2803 04:52:54,320 --> 04:53:01,120 probably 15 or 20 spaces on each side, one for each unit above them. 2804 04:53:02,480 --> 04:53:05,760 So, and again, forgive me for the numbers because they didn't go around counting 2805 04:53:05,760 --> 04:53:11,120 front doors or parking spaces, but at least 15 parking spaces on both sides, 2806 04:53:11,120 --> 04:53:18,480 presumably then maybe around 30 units. They took out 15 of those parking spaces and are 2807 04:53:18,480 --> 04:53:27,200 putting in six or seven 80-us replacing that many parking spaces, 15 or so parking places that 2808 04:53:27,200 --> 04:53:31,440 was required parking at one time. This is an older building. This building was built in the 2809 04:53:31,440 --> 04:53:36,240 70s and they've taken out 15 of their required parking spaces and replaced it with 80-us. 2810 04:53:36,960 --> 04:53:42,560 No other parking requirements for those 80-us. So now there are 50 more cars on our street 2811 04:53:43,520 --> 04:53:50,000 and now there are six or seven more 80-us, also six or seven or maybe 10 or 12 more cars 2812 04:53:50,000 --> 04:53:54,400 on the street. And they're allowed to do this because of the housing element. 2813 04:53:54,960 --> 04:53:59,360 This is not a good thing for Hermosa Beach. So why are they doing that? 2814 04:54:00,000 --> 04:54:06,160 Well, because it's profitable. That's why that building sat there for 30, 40 years, just the 2815 04:54:06,160 --> 04:54:11,120 way it was and it just made money for the landlord over and over again for all those years. 2816 04:54:11,120 --> 04:54:17,600 But now there's added value to that building now. Someone decided to go and spend a million 2817 04:54:17,600 --> 04:54:23,120 or more dollars rehabbing it and removing those parking places and adding those 80-us 2818 04:54:23,120 --> 04:54:27,680 and adding a greater parking burden on our city. But we get to deal with that parking now. 2819 04:54:28,240 --> 04:54:31,520 So there is some added value there. There's some developers going to catch. 2820 04:54:31,520 --> 04:54:36,320 So maybe on these larger buildings, if that's what's going to happen and it is happening right 2821 04:54:36,320 --> 04:54:40,560 now, it's already underway. They're almost finished with it, by the way. If that's what's 2822 04:54:40,560 --> 04:54:48,640 going on, then maybe there is some merit to catching that value, that land value that's 2823 04:54:48,640 --> 04:54:55,360 there. Maybe we should get some of that money. So my recommendation is on the small 2824 04:54:55,360 --> 04:54:58,560 loss, I think it's clearly that isn't doing anything. It isn't doing anything good for us. 2825 04:54:59,600 --> 04:55:04,560 And that's why my recommendation is what I made it. I think that's a wise thing to do. 2826 04:55:04,560 --> 04:55:12,080 I think if we simulated some development in the commercial area on the smaller lots, 2827 04:55:12,080 --> 04:55:15,920 we would be gaining housing. We'd be gaining property tax for the city 2828 04:55:16,720 --> 04:55:22,880 if they pay some fees to handle the infrastructure. And if there was some 2829 04:55:23,600 --> 04:55:30,880 way to make them supply parking when they can, or if they can't perhaps pay in lieu fees, 2830 04:55:31,840 --> 04:55:36,080 and I hope that's the case, is that there's one way or another that we can work that 2831 04:55:36,080 --> 04:55:41,120 parking problem out, because there is a big problem. But if we can figure that out, 2832 04:55:41,120 --> 04:55:44,400 I don't see any reason why we shouldn't do this. We should open the gates here. 2833 04:55:44,400 --> 04:55:49,040 Let's get this land value recapture thing out of the way on these smaller lots. 2834 04:55:49,040 --> 04:55:52,640 And let's see if it works. Let's give it a shot and find out what works. 2835 04:55:52,640 --> 04:55:56,800 So that's my motion. It's been seconded. 2836 04:55:58,480 --> 04:56:03,120 Can you restate that motion? Because you just said one to five units, 2837 04:56:03,120 --> 04:56:08,960 but the staff report says one to four units. My original motion was one to four. 2838 04:56:08,960 --> 04:56:11,040 Okay. I just was you said that and I was wrong. 2839 04:56:11,040 --> 04:56:14,080 I misspoke a moment ago, but my original motion, I said, 2840 04:56:16,000 --> 04:56:20,800 remove it on one to two units completely and lower it to $40 square square from three to 2841 04:56:20,800 --> 04:56:25,200 four units. Can I speak to the item? Yes, please. Thank you. 2842 04:56:27,920 --> 04:56:32,880 In listening to your comments about the development near PCH, I'm familiar with that property. It 2843 04:56:32,880 --> 04:56:37,760 sold for $20 million and they're probably putting about, I don't know, another $5 million in it. 2844 04:56:38,320 --> 04:56:43,360 And so it went from paying about $7,000 a year in taxes. Now it will pay, 2845 04:56:44,000 --> 04:56:48,000 I mean, $7,000 gross in taxes. It was very lowly 2846 04:56:48,080 --> 04:56:53,520 assessed and been owned for almost 40 or 50 years. Its current tax rate will be based on 2847 04:56:53,520 --> 04:56:56,720 about a $25 million value. And so the city is going to see 2848 04:56:58,080 --> 04:57:05,680 probably about an extra $80,000 a year. So we are getting some recapture from that property 2849 04:57:05,680 --> 04:57:09,920 by the improvements and the money they're pouring into the property by renovating it 2850 04:57:09,920 --> 04:57:14,480 and the extra buildings they added. I don't know under what case that was done or how 2851 04:57:14,480 --> 04:57:20,160 that permitting was done. I'd be curious to find out what housing section they used to add the ADUs. 2852 04:57:20,160 --> 04:57:24,720 It would be a good lesson for all of us here. I'd ask Steve maybe to find out how they added 2853 04:57:24,720 --> 04:57:29,920 those spaces without following the city zoning because I hadn't heard we had any projects doing 2854 04:57:29,920 --> 04:57:36,720 that. And to go back to the item at hand, I want to, I'd like to make a substitute 2855 04:57:36,720 --> 04:57:45,040 motion to waive fees for master fee schedules for one to six units and make it 2856 04:57:46,160 --> 04:57:53,120 no LVR fee at all and keep the rest of the pricing for anything above six units. So that's my motion. 2857 04:57:55,440 --> 04:57:56,160 Is there a second? 2858 04:57:58,800 --> 04:58:04,400 So your motion was to eliminate it from one to two and go along with staff recommendation for 2859 04:58:04,960 --> 04:58:13,040 lowering the fees from three to four. And there is a notion that under five seems to be the cutoff. 2860 04:58:13,040 --> 04:58:19,040 So are you making a substitute motion to remove it completely from one through four? 2861 04:58:20,000 --> 04:58:24,320 In other words, up to six units are subject to no LVR. 2862 04:58:24,320 --> 04:58:27,920 What do you come up with? What's the basis of the six? Because it's a small lot. 2863 04:58:27,920 --> 04:58:35,200 Okay. Well, it's my impression from eight. 2864 04:58:35,200 --> 04:58:39,040 Well, if I can't get a second from you, I'll lower that to five. 2865 04:58:41,280 --> 04:58:44,240 I'll go along with four if you want to do that and I'll second your motion. 2866 04:58:44,240 --> 04:58:46,240 I'll amend that to four. 2867 04:58:46,240 --> 04:58:51,840 Great, because I second that. I think that we don't need to see how things go. 2868 04:58:51,840 --> 04:58:56,880 This was doomed from the start. There's a long time period to even realize whether it's working 2869 04:58:56,880 --> 04:59:03,680 or not. If staff was already recommending lowering the fees for three to four, 2870 04:59:03,680 --> 04:59:08,320 then it would make sense to just lower them to zero for three to four. 2871 04:59:09,120 --> 04:59:10,960 Why would that make sense? 2872 04:59:10,960 --> 04:59:14,000 Because if you're lowering the fees from three to four and that doesn't 2873 04:59:14,560 --> 04:59:17,840 impact the housing element, then lowering to zero shouldn't impact the housing element. 2874 04:59:17,840 --> 04:59:19,760 How do you know it won't impact the housing element? 2875 04:59:19,760 --> 04:59:23,760 Well, no one knows for sure. But the logic here is that if we're lowering the fees on three 2876 04:59:23,760 --> 04:59:27,840 to four and you said let's just eliminate them for small lots, great. 2877 04:59:27,840 --> 04:59:32,720 One through four are small lots and I see no impact on the housing element. 2878 04:59:32,720 --> 04:59:34,880 Do you know what the lot size is for three or four units? 2879 04:59:35,600 --> 04:59:40,000 It's small enough to require a zero fees. It's zero fees. That's it. 2880 04:59:40,000 --> 04:59:43,200 You know what the lot size that a three to four unit. 2881 04:59:43,200 --> 04:59:44,320 About 4,000 feet. 2882 04:59:45,120 --> 04:59:46,320 Are you aware of what it is? 2883 04:59:46,320 --> 04:59:47,440 About 4,000 feet. 2884 04:59:48,320 --> 04:59:49,200 I'm asking him. 2885 04:59:49,200 --> 04:59:51,280 I second the motion. I support the motion. 2886 04:59:51,280 --> 04:59:59,120 It's quite clear that all of the lots one to four should reduce fees to zero. 2887 05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:07,000 And, um, you know, I don't need to get in a long discussion or deliberation over that. 2888 05:00:07,000 --> 05:00:11,280 It's quite simple. We don't have enough time to see whether this is going to work and then 2889 05:00:11,280 --> 05:00:17,840 revisit it again. It was doomed from the start. Let's make it zero from one to four lots and 2890 05:00:17,840 --> 05:00:20,640 get rid of this program for the small lots. Those are the small lots. 2891 05:00:20,640 --> 05:00:22,840 That's your right to have that opinion. That's fine. 2892 05:00:22,840 --> 05:00:23,840 Yeah. 2893 05:00:23,840 --> 05:00:24,840 So you're going to second his public motion. 2894 05:00:24,840 --> 05:00:25,840 Yes, I second it. 2895 05:00:25,840 --> 05:00:28,840 All right. Any other discussion? 2896 05:00:28,840 --> 05:00:35,360 I just want to add, Mr. Mayor, that if someone is building a four-unit and one of those is 2897 05:00:35,360 --> 05:00:43,400 low income or moderately low or anywhere on the threshold that they would not have to pay 2898 05:00:43,400 --> 05:00:48,200 even the reduced fee for the whole project. So they want to put in a four-market rate 2899 05:00:48,200 --> 05:00:52,560 and they have the potential for it. They can pay the fee, but if one of them is going 2900 05:00:52,560 --> 05:00:57,240 to be one of the thresholds of income restriction, they would not be paying for the whole 2901 05:00:57,240 --> 05:00:58,240 project. 2902 05:00:58,800 --> 05:01:05,800 We're still going to support the original motion. Again, this is what I think almost verbatim 2903 05:01:05,800 --> 05:01:13,800 except for Tier 2 was initial proposal in 2021. If you want to, don't quote me on that one. 2904 05:01:13,800 --> 05:01:18,680 Okay. So Madam City Clerk, if there's no other discussion, will you call the question 2905 05:01:18,680 --> 05:01:21,440 on the substitute motion? 2906 05:01:21,440 --> 05:01:27,640 Motion from Council Member Keegan, seconded by Council Member Francois to waive master 2907 05:01:27,680 --> 05:01:34,680 fee schedule for a one-to-four unit and keep pricing for anything above four units. 2908 05:01:36,640 --> 05:01:37,640 Council Member Francois? 2909 05:01:37,640 --> 05:01:38,640 Yes. 2910 05:01:38,640 --> 05:01:39,640 Council Member Keegan? 2911 05:01:39,640 --> 05:01:40,640 Aye. 2912 05:01:40,640 --> 05:01:41,640 Council Member Jackson? 2913 05:01:41,640 --> 05:01:42,640 No. 2914 05:01:42,640 --> 05:01:44,640 May I pretend detoy? 2915 05:01:44,640 --> 05:01:45,640 No. 2916 05:01:45,640 --> 05:01:46,640 Mayor Seaman? 2917 05:01:46,640 --> 05:01:47,640 No. 2918 05:01:47,640 --> 05:01:48,640 Motion fails. 2919 05:01:48,640 --> 05:01:54,640 Thank you. Now, Madam Clerk, would you please call the question for the original motion 2920 05:01:54,640 --> 05:01:59,640 to follow Planning Commission recommendations? 2921 05:01:59,640 --> 05:02:09,640 Yes. And this motion is by Mayor Seaman, seconded by Mayor Pretend Detoy to approve Planning 2922 05:02:09,640 --> 05:02:15,640 Commission recommendation to reduce fees for three to four units to $40 and remove completely 2923 05:02:15,640 --> 05:02:18,640 for one to two units. 2924 05:02:18,640 --> 05:02:23,640 And before we start, I can ask one more question. Just a little bit more discussion on this. 2925 05:02:23,640 --> 05:02:30,640 I think the Council Member online spoke about how many applications have been proposed about 2926 05:02:30,640 --> 05:02:35,640 low-income housing, how many doors have we even added in this housing cycle. I know that we 2927 05:02:35,640 --> 05:02:40,640 approved the development on Second Street, which is, what, 16? 2928 05:02:40,640 --> 05:02:42,640 I'm sorry, in general... 2929 05:02:42,640 --> 05:02:45,640 In general market rate? 2930 05:02:45,640 --> 05:02:51,640 I don't have that number off the top of my head. We're actually starting to look 2931 05:02:51,640 --> 05:02:53,640 at the last year, Allison. 2932 05:02:53,640 --> 05:02:55,640 Well, there's at least the one on Second Street. 2933 05:02:55,640 --> 05:02:56,640 Second Street. 2934 05:02:56,640 --> 05:02:57,640 There's six more. 2935 05:02:57,640 --> 05:02:58,640 That one is 12. 2936 05:02:58,640 --> 05:02:59,640 12. 2937 05:02:59,640 --> 05:03:01,640 First Street, 911 First Street. 2938 05:03:01,640 --> 05:03:04,640 That one is 12 units. 2939 05:03:04,640 --> 05:03:12,640 But we do have net increase more than that. I just don't know the number through ADUs. 2940 05:03:12,640 --> 05:03:18,640 But in terms of entitled projects, that's the largest. And then we have lots of two 2941 05:03:18,640 --> 05:03:21,640 units where we're gaining one unit here, one unit there. 2942 05:03:21,640 --> 05:03:26,640 So I'm sorry, I don't have a figure for you off the top. 2943 05:03:26,640 --> 05:03:29,640 And a lot of this is, yes, we have an affordable housing issue. 2944 05:03:29,640 --> 05:03:33,640 We also have a housing issue. We have a massive missing middle issue with housing. 2945 05:03:33,640 --> 05:03:37,640 And I do think that is where a lot of these small lots can come in. 2946 05:03:37,640 --> 05:03:42,640 Recent college graduates, couples, newlyweds, whatever before they start families. 2947 05:03:42,640 --> 05:03:43,640 Naturally smaller units. 2948 05:03:43,640 --> 05:03:48,640 Or again, the aging side on the, is you get all their kids out of the house and move 2949 05:03:48,640 --> 05:03:53,640 into this comfortable spot, easily accessible units. 2950 05:03:53,640 --> 05:03:58,640 Again, I'm a big fan of the mixed use in downtown areas and would love to hopefully 2951 05:03:58,640 --> 05:04:01,640 grab the third vote to support this one. Thank you. 2952 05:04:01,640 --> 05:04:03,640 All right. Thank you for that. 2953 05:04:03,640 --> 05:04:05,640 Madam City Clerk, would you call the question? 2954 05:04:05,640 --> 05:04:07,640 Council Member Francois? 2955 05:04:07,640 --> 05:04:08,640 Yes. 2956 05:04:08,640 --> 05:04:10,640 Council Member Keegan? 2957 05:04:10,640 --> 05:04:11,640 Yes. 2958 05:04:11,640 --> 05:04:13,640 Council Member Jackson? 2959 05:04:13,640 --> 05:04:14,640 No. 2960 05:04:14,640 --> 05:04:16,640 Mayor Potemti Toy? 2961 05:04:16,640 --> 05:04:17,640 Aye. 2962 05:04:17,640 --> 05:04:18,640 Mayor Seyman? 2963 05:04:18,640 --> 05:04:19,640 Yes. 2964 05:04:19,640 --> 05:04:21,640 Motion passes four to one. 2965 05:04:21,640 --> 05:04:23,640 Council Member Jackson, a no. 2966 05:04:23,640 --> 05:04:25,640 Thank you, Madam City Clerk. 2967 05:04:25,640 --> 05:04:31,640 So now let's move on to... 2968 05:04:31,640 --> 05:04:32,640 17F. 2969 05:04:32,640 --> 05:04:34,640 17F, yes, thank you. 2970 05:04:34,640 --> 05:04:37,640 Economic Development Strategy Progress Report. 2971 05:04:37,640 --> 05:04:39,640 This item was continued from January 27th. 2972 05:04:39,640 --> 05:04:46,640 And will be presented by Community Development Director Allison Becker. 2973 05:04:46,640 --> 05:04:48,640 Okay. Good evening. 2974 05:04:48,640 --> 05:04:53,640 Honorable Mayor, Council Members, we're going to shift gears a little bit 2975 05:04:53,640 --> 05:05:01,640 and talk economic development. 2976 05:05:01,640 --> 05:05:05,640 Okay. Next slide, please. 2977 05:05:05,640 --> 05:05:10,640 Okay. So the City's Economic Development Strategy originated in 2020 2978 05:05:10,640 --> 05:05:13,640 when Council and the Planning Commission formed the... 2979 05:05:13,640 --> 05:05:16,640 an Economic Development Committee. 2980 05:05:16,640 --> 05:05:21,640 Over two years, the committee and a 20-person stakeholder working group 2981 05:05:21,640 --> 05:05:25,640 met regularly to develop a comprehensive plan 2982 05:05:25,640 --> 05:05:28,640 for Homosa Beach's Economic Future. 2983 05:05:28,640 --> 05:05:32,640 Council adopted the final strategy in July of 2022. 2984 05:05:32,640 --> 05:05:34,640 Next slide. 2985 05:05:34,640 --> 05:05:37,640 The strategy can... 2986 05:05:37,640 --> 05:05:41,640 The strategy contains 30 strategic actions 2987 05:05:41,640 --> 05:05:44,640 organized into five categories 2988 05:05:44,640 --> 05:05:49,640 and prioritized as short-term, mid-term, or long-term initiatives. 2989 05:05:49,640 --> 05:05:53,640 Next slide. 2990 05:05:53,640 --> 05:05:57,640 The implementation involves multiple city departments, 2991 05:05:57,640 --> 05:06:01,640 the Chamber of Commerce, and occasionally outside experts. 2992 05:06:01,640 --> 05:06:04,640 For several years, staff has provided Council 2993 05:06:04,640 --> 05:06:10,640 with twice-yearly progress reports to monitor our work and adjust priorities. 2994 05:06:10,640 --> 05:06:14,640 So in the realm of community beautification, 2995 05:06:14,640 --> 05:06:18,640 you'll notice the highlights from the last year. 2996 05:06:18,640 --> 05:06:21,640 24 utility boxes were wrapped with art, 2997 05:06:21,640 --> 05:06:24,640 two beautification awards were presented, 2998 05:06:24,640 --> 05:06:28,640 and major funding was secured from a local donor 2999 05:06:28,640 --> 05:06:34,640 for a new Gateway Monument sign on the Community Center campus. 3000 05:06:34,640 --> 05:06:37,640 Next slide. 3001 05:06:37,640 --> 05:06:41,640 For the downtown holiday parking program was renewed, 3002 05:06:41,640 --> 05:06:44,640 13 major special events were hosted, 3003 05:06:44,640 --> 05:06:49,640 and 13 local businesses secured permits for dining decks. 3004 05:06:49,640 --> 05:06:51,640 Next slide, please. 3005 05:06:51,640 --> 05:06:54,640 In terms of our work on code amendments, 3006 05:06:54,640 --> 05:06:57,640 we updated the rules for temporary special events, 3007 05:06:57,640 --> 05:07:02,640 and that was our key deliverable last year in this category. 3008 05:07:02,640 --> 05:07:04,640 Next slide. 3009 05:07:04,640 --> 05:07:09,640 Business outreach efforts were spearheaded by the police department 3010 05:07:09,640 --> 05:07:12,640 and our city manager's office. 3011 05:07:12,640 --> 05:07:14,640 Next slide, please. 3012 05:07:14,640 --> 05:07:17,640 In terms of process streamlining, 3013 05:07:17,640 --> 05:07:20,640 we instituted an expanded concurrent plan review, 3014 05:07:20,640 --> 05:07:23,640 finalized the workflow mapping, coding, 3015 05:07:23,640 --> 05:07:26,640 and configuring for the electronic permit system, 3016 05:07:26,640 --> 05:07:29,640 which will be rolling out next month. 3017 05:07:29,640 --> 05:07:32,640 Next slide, please. 3018 05:07:32,640 --> 05:07:34,640 Now, so where do we stand? 3019 05:07:34,640 --> 05:07:38,640 The sixth progress report shows that our comprehensive progress 3020 05:07:38,640 --> 05:07:41,640 over the past three and a half years 3021 05:07:41,640 --> 05:07:48,640 suggests that all actions are aligned with our work program. 3022 05:07:48,640 --> 05:07:52,640 The report itself includes a table 3023 05:07:52,640 --> 05:07:56,640 which represents all action items in numerical order 3024 05:07:56,640 --> 05:07:59,640 as they are presented in the strategic plan 3025 05:07:59,640 --> 05:08:02,640 and detail what we have completed 3026 05:08:02,640 --> 05:08:06,640 from the initiation point to date. 3027 05:08:06,640 --> 05:08:09,640 As I mentioned, the good news is that we've successfully 3028 05:08:09,640 --> 05:08:11,640 aligned our work program to address 3029 05:08:11,640 --> 05:08:14,640 most of these strategic actions, 3030 05:08:14,640 --> 05:08:17,640 and on those occasions where we haven't made 3031 05:08:17,640 --> 05:08:19,640 a lot of progress, 3032 05:08:19,640 --> 05:08:23,640 that has primarily been due to staffing constraints 3033 05:08:23,640 --> 05:08:26,640 and budget constraints. 3034 05:08:26,640 --> 05:08:29,640 Given that this strategy was formulated 3035 05:08:29,640 --> 05:08:33,640 as a, you know, one to five year plan 3036 05:08:33,640 --> 05:08:37,640 and it is now reaching the end of its useful life, 3037 05:08:37,640 --> 05:08:42,640 staff recommends retiring the reporting cycle. 3038 05:08:42,640 --> 05:08:46,640 We will continue to advance the strategic actions 3039 05:08:46,640 --> 05:08:49,640 until they are renewed or replaced 3040 05:08:49,640 --> 05:08:53,640 through a new strategic planning process. 3041 05:08:53,640 --> 05:08:58,640 Could be kicked off with a study session 3042 05:08:58,640 --> 05:09:02,640 or a town hall, as was discussed earlier. 3043 05:09:02,640 --> 05:09:05,640 So that is the substance of my report. 3044 05:09:05,640 --> 05:09:08,640 I'm happy to answer any questions that you might have. 3045 05:09:08,640 --> 05:09:10,640 Thank you, Allison. I appreciate that. 3046 05:09:10,640 --> 05:09:12,640 Are there any questions of staff? 3047 05:09:17,640 --> 05:09:18,640 No? 3048 05:09:18,640 --> 05:09:19,640 Yes, go ahead. 3049 05:09:19,640 --> 05:09:20,640 Thank you. 3050 05:09:20,640 --> 05:09:22,640 I thought you wanted to go. 3051 05:09:28,640 --> 05:09:31,640 Has the beautification subcommittee met 3052 05:09:31,640 --> 05:09:32,640 since it was formed? 3053 05:09:32,640 --> 05:09:33,640 Yes, it has. 3054 05:09:33,640 --> 05:09:34,640 It has. 3055 05:09:34,640 --> 05:09:38,640 So what has come out of that subcommittee then? 3056 05:09:38,640 --> 05:09:42,640 We have had the, 3057 05:09:42,640 --> 05:09:45,640 myself and the community and the Public Works Director 3058 05:09:45,640 --> 05:09:49,640 convened the subcommittee just a couple weeks ago. 3059 05:09:49,640 --> 05:09:52,640 The committee had its initial meeting 3060 05:09:52,640 --> 05:09:56,640 and I am tasked with preparing the meeting minutes, 3061 05:09:56,640 --> 05:09:58,640 which will then be circulated. 3062 05:09:58,640 --> 05:09:59,640 Okay. 3063 05:09:59,640 --> 05:10:00,640 Who's on that? 3064 05:10:00,640 --> 05:10:06,640 Your Mayor Pro Tem and Council Member Jackson. 3065 05:10:06,640 --> 05:10:07,640 Okay. 3066 05:10:07,640 --> 05:10:08,640 Thank you. 3067 05:10:08,640 --> 05:10:10,640 Now the beautification awards you mentioned in April, 3068 05:10:10,640 --> 05:10:13,640 I believe you're referring to the ones that I gave out 3069 05:10:13,640 --> 05:10:16,640 during my State of the City address when I was mayor. 3070 05:10:16,640 --> 05:10:17,640 Is that correct? 3071 05:10:17,640 --> 05:10:18,640 Yes. 3072 05:10:18,640 --> 05:10:19,640 Okay. 3073 05:10:19,640 --> 05:10:21,640 Yeah, that wasn't, okay. 3074 05:10:21,640 --> 05:10:25,640 So by retiring this, 3075 05:10:25,640 --> 05:10:27,640 and I understand these strategic goals 3076 05:10:27,640 --> 05:10:29,640 are from several years ago, 3077 05:10:29,640 --> 05:10:31,640 does it make sense to, 3078 05:10:31,640 --> 05:10:35,640 from an efficiency standpoint, 3079 05:10:35,640 --> 05:10:38,640 instead of a study session or survey or all that, 3080 05:10:38,640 --> 05:10:41,640 to have a subcommittee of two Council Members here 3081 05:10:41,640 --> 05:10:46,640 that can assess our needs for future economic strategies 3082 05:10:46,640 --> 05:10:50,640 and work directly with businesses and retail experts 3083 05:10:50,640 --> 05:10:54,640 to come up with some best practices for the future 3084 05:10:54,640 --> 05:10:59,640 so that we can reinvigorate these economic strategies going forward. 3085 05:10:59,640 --> 05:11:03,640 Does it make sense to do something like that? 3086 05:11:03,640 --> 05:11:10,640 The Council is free to design the process that it feels. 3087 05:11:10,640 --> 05:11:12,640 That's a policy decision for Council. 3088 05:11:12,640 --> 05:11:13,640 Yeah. 3089 05:11:13,640 --> 05:11:14,640 Okay. 3090 05:11:14,640 --> 05:11:15,640 All right. 3091 05:11:15,640 --> 05:11:17,640 No, I was just wondering if that would make sense. 3092 05:11:17,640 --> 05:11:18,640 Okay. 3093 05:11:20,640 --> 05:11:21,640 Thank you very much. 3094 05:11:21,640 --> 05:11:22,640 Of course. 3095 05:11:22,640 --> 05:11:25,640 Any other questions of staff? 3096 05:11:25,640 --> 05:11:26,640 All right. 3097 05:11:26,640 --> 05:11:27,640 Seeing none. 3098 05:11:27,640 --> 05:11:28,640 Thank you, Allison. 3099 05:11:28,640 --> 05:11:29,640 Appreciate it. 3100 05:11:31,640 --> 05:11:36,640 Let's then open public comment. 3101 05:11:36,640 --> 05:11:39,640 Mr. Mayor, we did not receive any speaker cards. 3102 05:11:39,640 --> 05:11:46,640 Hi. 3103 05:11:46,640 --> 05:11:49,640 I could do another card if you want. 3104 05:11:49,640 --> 05:11:50,640 Laura Pena. 3105 05:11:50,640 --> 05:11:53,640 I think I'm the last woman standing on this. 3106 05:11:53,640 --> 05:11:58,640 Me and 17 other business and property owners 3107 05:11:58,640 --> 05:12:00,640 convened with the city for two years 3108 05:12:00,640 --> 05:12:04,640 and Mayor Pratim, Detoy, 3109 05:12:04,640 --> 05:12:07,640 and we faithfully did so. 3110 05:12:07,640 --> 05:12:11,640 Thinking that this was a collaborative partnership 3111 05:12:11,640 --> 05:12:14,640 working together for these strategies. 3112 05:12:14,640 --> 05:12:16,640 I don't think we intended them to be 30 though. 3113 05:12:16,640 --> 05:12:20,640 I mean, I think we thought 10 maybe. 3114 05:12:20,640 --> 05:12:24,640 So here's my point. 3115 05:12:24,640 --> 05:12:28,640 I do agree with staff and I do appreciate the staff report. 3116 05:12:28,640 --> 05:12:31,640 It has a lot of filler is what I've heard, 3117 05:12:31,640 --> 05:12:34,640 meaning some of the things that the city has done, 3118 05:12:34,640 --> 05:12:36,640 it almost looks like, well, you know, 3119 05:12:36,640 --> 05:12:39,640 if it's here, so why not stick it here? 3120 05:12:39,640 --> 05:12:41,640 That's not helpful. 3121 05:12:41,640 --> 05:12:43,640 That's not how you would do it if you were running a business. 3122 05:12:43,640 --> 05:12:48,640 You don't fill columns to show outcomes. 3123 05:12:48,640 --> 05:12:51,640 This should never have been an activity-based report. 3124 05:12:51,640 --> 05:12:53,640 It should be an outcome-based report 3125 05:12:53,640 --> 05:12:56,640 with milestones, measurements. 3126 05:12:56,640 --> 05:13:00,640 That's, you can show progress. 3127 05:13:00,640 --> 05:13:03,640 We have two CIPs that came out of this. 3128 05:13:03,640 --> 05:13:06,640 The first one was in 2019 and the downtown lighting. 3129 05:13:06,640 --> 05:13:08,640 There's no progress on these progress reports. 3130 05:13:08,640 --> 05:13:11,640 So was it meaningful, not meaningful? 3131 05:13:11,640 --> 05:13:13,640 Not sure. 3132 05:13:13,640 --> 05:13:17,640 But I do think one thing that came out of the advisory group 3133 05:13:17,640 --> 05:13:20,640 is we developed our strengths, weaknesses, 3134 05:13:20,640 --> 05:13:22,640 opportunities, and threats. 3135 05:13:22,640 --> 05:13:27,640 And we told council, the subcommittee, 3136 05:13:27,640 --> 05:13:30,640 what's in store for us at that time. 3137 05:13:30,640 --> 05:13:34,640 We need to revisit that because at the pace at which we're going, 3138 05:13:34,640 --> 05:13:37,640 there's going to be new weaknesses, opportunities, 3139 05:13:37,640 --> 05:13:39,640 and threats that we don't even realize. 3140 05:13:39,640 --> 05:13:45,640 So I would hope that we could do something smaller. 3141 05:13:45,640 --> 05:13:48,640 I love the idea of a study session, 3142 05:13:48,640 --> 05:13:51,640 but it needs to be action-oriented. 3143 05:13:51,640 --> 05:13:54,640 Because you're not going to get buy-in from businesses to come 3144 05:13:54,640 --> 05:13:56,640 and participate again because they're going to ask me. 3145 05:13:56,640 --> 05:13:59,640 And I'm going to say, no way, don't do it. 3146 05:13:59,640 --> 05:14:03,640 But if we had a smaller group, experts advising you guys 3147 05:14:03,640 --> 05:14:08,640 on what we can do, we can move mountains. 3148 05:14:08,640 --> 05:14:10,640 I really, really believe that. 3149 05:14:10,640 --> 05:14:16,640 But we need to do it in a way that is not about pushing reports 3150 05:14:16,640 --> 05:14:21,640 and talking about things that have nothing to do with these strategies. 3151 05:14:21,640 --> 05:14:27,640 I want to match the willingness, the clarity, and accountability 3152 05:14:27,640 --> 05:14:30,640 with something that we can be proud of. 3153 05:14:30,640 --> 05:14:32,640 And we can do this together. 3154 05:14:32,640 --> 05:14:38,640 I'm looking forward to it, but I want it measured. 3155 05:14:38,640 --> 05:14:40,640 Thank you. 3156 05:14:40,640 --> 05:14:41,640 Thank you, Laura. 3157 05:14:41,640 --> 05:14:44,640 Your Honor, staff would request a short recess. 3158 05:14:44,640 --> 05:14:46,640 Apparently, we're having some issues with Zoom. 3159 05:14:46,640 --> 05:14:48,640 Oh, OK. 3160 05:14:48,640 --> 05:14:50,640 So we need to clear those up for a minute or two. 3161 05:14:50,640 --> 05:14:54,640 Can I just give a new rule as we have to make sure 3162 05:14:54,640 --> 05:14:55,640 that Zoom is available? 3163 05:14:56,640 --> 05:14:58,640 That was fast. 3164 05:14:58,640 --> 05:14:59,640 Are we OK? 3165 05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:06,000 No. So let's take a 10-minute recess, come back here at 5 after 10. 3166 05:15:06,000 --> 05:15:09,000 Is Councillor Jackson still on? 3167 05:15:09,000 --> 05:15:10,000 Yep. 3168 05:15:10,000 --> 05:15:12,000 Okay, just making sure. 3169 05:15:12,000 --> 05:15:15,000 All right, 10-minute recess. Thank you. 3170 05:15:30,000 --> 05:15:33,000 Thank you. 3171 05:16:00,000 --> 05:16:03,000 Thank you. 3172 05:16:30,000 --> 05:16:33,000 Thank you. 3173 05:17:00,000 --> 05:17:03,000 Thank you. 3174 05:17:30,000 --> 05:17:33,000 Thank you. 3175 05:18:00,000 --> 05:18:03,000 Thank you. 3176 05:18:30,000 --> 05:18:33,000 Thank you. 3177 05:19:00,000 --> 05:19:03,000 Thank you. 3178 05:19:30,000 --> 05:19:33,000 Thank you. 3179 05:20:00,000 --> 05:20:03,000 Thank you. 3180 05:20:30,000 --> 05:20:33,000 Thank you. 3181 05:21:00,000 --> 05:21:03,000 Thank you. 3182 05:21:30,000 --> 05:21:33,000 Thank you. 3183 05:22:00,000 --> 05:22:03,000 Thank you. 3184 05:22:30,000 --> 05:22:33,000 Thank you. 3185 05:23:00,000 --> 05:23:03,000 Thank you. 3186 05:23:30,000 --> 05:23:33,000 Thank you. 3187 05:24:00,000 --> 05:24:03,000 Thank you. 3188 05:24:30,000 --> 05:24:33,000 Thank you. 3189 05:25:00,000 --> 05:25:02,000 Thank you. 3190 05:25:11,000 --> 05:25:13,000 Thank you. 3191 05:25:13,000 --> 05:25:15,000 Thank you. 3192 05:25:30,000 --> 05:25:32,000 Thank you. 3193 05:26:00,000 --> 05:26:02,000 Thank you. 3194 05:26:02,000 --> 05:26:04,000 Thank you. 3195 05:26:04,000 --> 05:26:06,000 Thank you. 3196 05:26:29,000 --> 05:26:31,000 Testing. 3197 05:26:31,000 --> 05:26:33,000 Please take your seats. We're about to begin. 3198 05:26:36,000 --> 05:26:38,000 Keegan. 3199 05:26:38,000 --> 05:26:40,000 Michael Keegan. 3200 05:26:45,000 --> 05:26:47,000 Dean. 3201 05:26:47,000 --> 05:26:49,000 Can we get started, please? 3202 05:26:49,000 --> 05:26:51,000 Thank you. 3203 05:26:57,000 --> 05:26:59,000 All present again. 3204 05:26:59,000 --> 05:27:01,000 Mr. Jackson, can you hear us? 3205 05:27:01,000 --> 05:27:03,000 Are you good? 3206 05:27:03,000 --> 05:27:05,000 Madam City Clerk, would you take roll call again, please? 3207 05:27:07,000 --> 05:27:09,000 Council Member Francois. 3208 05:27:09,000 --> 05:27:10,000 Here. 3209 05:27:10,000 --> 05:27:11,000 Council Member Keegan. 3210 05:27:11,000 --> 05:27:12,000 Here. 3211 05:27:12,000 --> 05:27:13,000 Council Member Jackson. 3212 05:27:13,000 --> 05:27:15,000 Present. 3213 05:27:15,000 --> 05:27:16,000 Mayor Pretendi Toy. 3214 05:27:16,000 --> 05:27:17,000 Here. 3215 05:27:17,000 --> 05:27:18,000 Mayor Simon. 3216 05:27:18,000 --> 05:27:19,000 Here. 3217 05:27:19,000 --> 05:27:20,000 You have a quorum. 3218 05:27:20,000 --> 05:27:21,000 Very good. 3219 05:27:21,000 --> 05:27:23,000 So let's move on with item 17G. 3220 05:27:23,000 --> 05:27:25,000 Madam City Clerk. 3221 05:27:25,000 --> 05:27:27,000 We were on 17F. 3222 05:27:27,000 --> 05:27:28,000 Yes. 3223 05:27:28,000 --> 05:27:31,000 And next public speaker is Maggie, both LaMonica. 3224 05:27:34,000 --> 05:27:35,000 Oh, I'm sorry. 3225 05:27:35,000 --> 05:27:36,000 That's right. 3226 05:27:36,000 --> 05:27:37,000 We were in the middle of F. 3227 05:27:37,000 --> 05:27:38,000 Sorry. 3228 05:27:38,000 --> 05:27:39,000 Good evening, Mr. Mayor. 3229 05:27:39,000 --> 05:27:40,000 Council. 3230 05:27:40,000 --> 05:27:42,000 Reminder, we're on the Economic Strategy Plan. 3231 05:27:42,000 --> 05:27:47,000 And I came here tonight because I heard comment earlier about a one off town hall 3232 05:27:47,000 --> 05:27:49,000 or perhaps a study session. 3233 05:27:49,000 --> 05:27:53,000 And I wanted to put forth my recommendation that you have a vehicle with this plan 3234 05:27:53,000 --> 05:27:54,000 to meet twice a year. 3235 05:27:54,000 --> 05:27:57,000 And I think with the council being really strategic about what the performance 3236 05:27:57,000 --> 05:27:59,000 measures are off of some of those strategy items, 3237 05:27:59,000 --> 05:28:02,000 you can have a different conversation twice a year about what you want staff 3238 05:28:02,000 --> 05:28:05,000 to think about what you want them to measure and how we're going about 3239 05:28:05,000 --> 05:28:07,000 putting out a vision for the city. 3240 05:28:07,000 --> 05:28:09,000 So I think there's a lot of really good actions in there. 3241 05:28:09,000 --> 05:28:13,000 You had obviously a committed group of business owners, 3242 05:28:13,000 --> 05:28:17,000 community members who put a lot of time into it for us to shelve it 3243 05:28:17,000 --> 05:28:19,000 and bring it back again in two, three years. 3244 05:28:19,000 --> 05:28:20,000 You're burning time. 3245 05:28:20,000 --> 05:28:22,000 You're burning resources and good relationships. 3246 05:28:22,000 --> 05:28:26,000 So I would encourage you to keep it but tweak what the outcomes are. 3247 05:28:26,000 --> 05:28:27,000 Thank you. 3248 05:28:27,000 --> 05:28:30,000 Thank you. 3249 05:28:30,000 --> 05:28:35,000 I don't have any other speaker cards. 3250 05:28:35,000 --> 05:28:37,000 No other speakers in council chambers? 3251 05:28:37,000 --> 05:28:45,000 Moving on to Zoom, we have Nancy Schwabhawk. 3252 05:28:45,000 --> 05:28:48,000 The performance measures are off of some of those strategy items. 3253 05:28:48,000 --> 05:28:50,000 You can have a different conversation twice a year. 3254 05:28:50,000 --> 05:28:53,000 Hi, I have stuff going on in the background. 3255 05:28:53,000 --> 05:28:57,000 I'm sorry. 3256 05:28:57,000 --> 05:28:59,000 Hello? 3257 05:28:59,000 --> 05:29:02,000 What was that? 3258 05:29:02,000 --> 05:29:06,000 Hi, I think we're talking about the economic development plan 3259 05:29:06,000 --> 05:29:09,000 and I think this is one of those. 3260 05:29:09,000 --> 05:29:11,000 Hold on. 3261 05:29:11,000 --> 05:29:14,000 I'm sorry. 3262 05:29:14,000 --> 05:29:15,000 Hold on. 3263 05:29:15,000 --> 05:29:16,000 Excuse me. 3264 05:29:16,000 --> 05:29:19,000 We have two people on the line at the same time here. 3265 05:29:19,000 --> 05:29:22,000 Nancy needs to turn her TV off. 3266 05:29:22,000 --> 05:29:25,000 Turn your TV or radio or phone off. 3267 05:29:25,000 --> 05:29:30,000 Okay. 3268 05:29:30,000 --> 05:29:32,000 Nancy, are you there? 3269 05:29:32,000 --> 05:29:35,000 Nancy, if you could mute your background noise. 3270 05:29:35,000 --> 05:29:37,000 Also some of those strategy items. 3271 05:29:37,000 --> 05:29:39,000 You can have a different conversation twice a year. 3272 05:29:39,000 --> 05:29:41,000 Hi, I have stuff going on in the background. 3273 05:29:41,000 --> 05:29:44,000 I'm sorry. 3274 05:29:44,000 --> 05:29:47,000 Same problem. 3275 05:29:47,000 --> 05:29:54,000 She needs to turn the sound off on her laptop if she's coming in on her PC. 3276 05:29:54,000 --> 05:29:58,000 Okay, Nancy left the meeting. 3277 05:29:58,000 --> 05:30:00,000 She may come back. 3278 05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:04,000 I don't see any other hands raised at the moment. 3279 05:30:04,000 --> 05:30:13,000 I was going to suggest we go on and then come back to her. Nancy, can you hear us? 3280 05:30:13,000 --> 05:30:15,000 She's not online anymore. 3281 05:30:15,000 --> 05:30:28,000 Okay. Would you like to have her comment? So why don't we bring it back to council, and then if we do get connected with her, would you let me know? 3282 05:30:28,000 --> 05:30:39,000 We can take her comments. Okay. So, Tipper Ely here, for the moment, let's come back to council for comments and deliberations. 3283 05:30:39,000 --> 05:30:44,000 Anybody want to start? 3284 05:30:44,000 --> 05:30:55,000 Sure. I do think it's time to retire this version of this report. I thoroughly enjoyed the two years that we set on Zoom. 3285 05:30:55,000 --> 05:31:01,000 I know the SWAT was one thing that you highlighted, Laura, as a success of this plan. 3286 05:31:01,000 --> 05:31:07,000 But I think having this group together as we entered the pandemic was also very important. 3287 05:31:07,000 --> 05:31:17,000 And that's something that we faced immediately when we started this group and the walkthroughs of the downtown area and pulling everything on the streets 3288 05:31:17,000 --> 05:31:28,000 and trying to get a letter, it'll be a lifeline for our community, businesses, and our community as a whole, 3289 05:31:28,000 --> 05:31:35,000 really to figure out how we're going to get through the next, you know, was it supposed to be two weeks, eight weeks? 3290 05:31:35,000 --> 05:31:41,000 So this plan started off on a rough footing in that regard. 3291 05:31:41,000 --> 05:31:50,000 And I think, you know, eventually we got to a place where, sure, we have our 30 strategies, and I know that we were not able to touch a lot of them. 3292 05:31:50,000 --> 05:32:00,000 But I think that we need to narrow down our focus. I think we need to focus, you know, specifically on, and this is where I think the chamber needs to play a key role 3293 05:32:00,000 --> 05:32:08,000 in the stakeholder side of it and the advocacy side of it is, you know, I think economic development needs to be in every single one of our departments, right? 3294 05:32:08,000 --> 05:32:17,000 How do we, you know, look at economics through our special events? How do we look at through, you know, public safety, our community development or processes 3295 05:32:17,000 --> 05:32:24,000 in, you know, getting a sell-up online and making sure that the streamlining of, you know, either special events or building permits, 3296 05:32:24,000 --> 05:32:35,000 all of that is part of economic development. But how do we narrow that focus into, you know, simple, attainable goals 3297 05:32:36,000 --> 05:32:41,000 so that we can actually not necessarily just check a box, but actually improve as a city moving forward? 3298 05:32:41,000 --> 05:32:52,000 So how does that look? Does it kick off with a study session? Do we look at a consultant to come in to moderate to kind of a goal set for this group 3299 05:32:52,000 --> 05:32:59,000 and the chamber to get together to, you know, where do we really need to define our goals moving forward? 3300 05:33:00,000 --> 05:33:08,000 In favor of retiring this set of strategies, but looking forward to developing and not spending two years and developing a new set of lists. 3301 05:33:08,000 --> 05:33:10,000 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 3302 05:33:10,000 --> 05:33:12,000 Thank you. Any other comments? 3303 05:33:14,000 --> 05:33:16,000 Councilor Francois. 3304 05:33:16,000 --> 05:33:18,000 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 3305 05:33:19,000 --> 05:33:31,000 I go along with what Mayor Trotem suggests. I think that a good way to do that would be to form a subcommittee at the council level 3306 05:33:31,000 --> 05:33:41,000 and we can put together stakeholders, shareholders, business owners, experts, come up with some new goals and strategies. 3307 05:33:41,000 --> 05:33:45,000 I think that's the best way to do it because we don't have that structure in place. 3308 05:33:45,000 --> 05:34:00,000 If we hold off to a study session, you know, that just I think puts unnecessary verbiage into this or energy into this that doesn't get directed 3309 05:34:00,000 --> 05:34:06,000 and I think by forming something at the council level, I think that would be the best way to do that. 3310 05:34:06,000 --> 05:34:16,000 So I'd be in favor of retiring this program here but complementing with a new subcommittee to deal with new strategies, 3311 05:34:16,000 --> 05:34:25,000 come up with what works, what doesn't work, where we're going, result oriented and moving ahead in that idea. 3312 05:34:25,000 --> 05:34:33,000 So that's the type of situation I'd like to see here regarding this item. Thank you. 3313 05:34:34,000 --> 05:34:49,000 Thank you. I would like to, I think I'm more in line with Mayor Trotem D. Toys idea of having another economic development committee, 3314 05:34:49,000 --> 05:34:57,000 not necessarily a subcommittee from City Council. I would certainly want to have some City Council personnel on that committee 3315 05:34:57,000 --> 05:35:06,000 but I think without input from the stakeholders and the Chamber and people like you too right there on that committee, 3316 05:35:06,000 --> 05:35:21,000 I think one or two person council group is not what we need. I think a larger group of people on that subcommittee is a much better idea, 3317 05:35:21,000 --> 05:35:28,000 much similar to the first one, only as you put it I think it makes sense to me to have it smaller and more focused. 3318 05:35:28,000 --> 05:35:39,000 So I would be in favor of forming such a committee like that that would have two council members on it and maybe Planning Commissioner or whatever. 3319 05:35:40,000 --> 05:35:51,000 Maybe we should have a meeting and discuss that. Have a, I don't know if you call it a study session or if you want to call it, 3320 05:35:51,000 --> 05:35:59,000 maybe have a town hall meeting and kick it around in public and kind of come up with some ideas and then come back to council with it 3321 05:35:59,000 --> 05:36:07,000 and we'll form such a committee and get that going. I think retiring this one I think we should do that. It's time. 3322 05:36:07,000 --> 05:36:18,000 But let's not just not do it anymore. Let's get started on something else and I think Councilman DeToy's suggestion is probably our best way to go. 3323 05:36:18,000 --> 05:36:21,000 Anyone else have anything to say? 3324 05:36:21,000 --> 05:36:32,000 I think we should retire this. Maybe we should just direct staff to come back with some alternatives for us to choose of a path to work on economic development. 3325 05:36:33,000 --> 05:36:35,000 That's not a bad idea. 3326 05:36:35,000 --> 05:36:38,000 Councilman Jackson, do you have any comments? 3327 05:36:38,000 --> 05:36:49,000 No, Allison talked about the beautification piece and I also sat on the Economic Development Committee with the Chamber and we fleshed out a lot of these things. 3328 05:36:49,000 --> 05:36:58,000 But a lot of the things that we talked about in the beautification committee are items that were on the, 3329 05:36:58,000 --> 05:37:02,000 on the list that the Economic Development Committee came up with over those years. 3330 05:37:02,000 --> 05:37:12,000 We're looking at sort of focused on what can we do now between now and the World Cup and we sort of have a space in between there before the Olympics 3331 05:37:12,000 --> 05:37:19,000 and what can we do to paint, what can we do to plant, what can we do to beautify, what lighting can we improve, 3332 05:37:19,000 --> 05:37:25,000 can we just change the bulbs downtown to give us, so those are the things we're looking at sort of now. 3333 05:37:25,000 --> 05:37:30,000 And then, you know, as we, and also the signage pieces included in there as well. 3334 05:37:30,000 --> 05:37:37,000 So I think then as we move forward, I think, consistent with Mayor Pro Tem's comment, 3335 05:37:37,000 --> 05:37:45,000 I mean, I think every director, every department should look at everything through that lens, you know, public works. 3336 05:37:45,000 --> 05:37:52,000 What can we be doing to improve through that public works lens, community development? 3337 05:37:52,000 --> 05:37:59,000 You know, what can we do to improve things through that lens and all of that feeds in public parts and rec as well. 3338 05:37:59,000 --> 05:38:07,000 So, I mean, I think that is a good start in terms of, you know, I'm not a big fan of another committee to talk about things that we already know 3339 05:38:07,000 --> 05:38:11,000 that we need to get done that we're sort of working on now. 3340 05:38:11,000 --> 05:38:17,000 You know, if there's an opportunity to augment or supplement that at some point, 3341 05:38:17,000 --> 05:38:26,000 but I don't think we need another town hall or study session to know some of the low-hanging fruit that we can address now 3342 05:38:26,000 --> 05:38:31,000 that we've talked about at the Economic Development Committee as well as the Beautification Committee. 3343 05:38:31,000 --> 05:38:34,000 So that's where I am. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 3344 05:38:34,000 --> 05:38:42,000 Thank you for that comment. You know, I look at this, these words, beautification, lighting, wayfinding. 3345 05:38:43,000 --> 05:38:48,000 I don't disagree with those. They're not bad ideas or good ideas. 3346 05:38:48,000 --> 05:38:51,000 We should be working on those. I totally agree. 3347 05:38:51,000 --> 05:38:56,000 But when I see the words economic development, I don't know, maybe have a little different point of view. 3348 05:38:56,000 --> 05:39:02,000 I think in terms of what can we do to get some development going in the downtown area? 3349 05:39:02,000 --> 05:39:05,000 What about parking lot A? What about parking lot D? 3350 05:39:05,000 --> 05:39:11,000 What about building something worthwhile that doesn't destroy our city? 3351 05:39:11,000 --> 05:39:18,000 It's not a 20-story hotel. It's something that will stimulate the rest of the downtown and wake it up. 3352 05:39:18,000 --> 05:39:20,000 Get it going. Get it started. 3353 05:39:20,000 --> 05:39:24,000 You know, the Bank of America is a project that's sitting there, and it's privately owned, 3354 05:39:24,000 --> 05:39:27,000 and they're doing what they want to do with it. We have nothing to say about that. 3355 05:39:27,000 --> 05:39:29,000 But we do own parking lot A that's right behind that. 3356 05:39:29,000 --> 05:39:35,000 It's been sitting there really basically doing nothing for so many years. 3357 05:39:35,000 --> 05:39:42,000 This is a gift we have. This is something that we should be good stewards of these gifts that we have. 3358 05:39:42,000 --> 05:39:48,000 And that area there has just been sitting lying fallow. It's kind of an ugly parking lot. 3359 05:39:48,000 --> 05:39:53,000 We need parking down there, but we need some stimulation. We need some new retail. 3360 05:39:53,000 --> 05:39:56,000 Maybe we need a restaurant. Maybe we need a small hotel. 3361 05:39:56,000 --> 05:40:00,000 I don't know what those things are. I'm not proposing that it has to be this or that or the other thing. 3362 05:40:00,000 --> 05:40:05,000 But I'm saying as long as we're talking about beautification and lighting and way-finding, 3363 05:40:05,000 --> 05:40:07,000 we're letting that thing sit there. 3364 05:40:07,000 --> 05:40:15,000 So this Economic Development Committee, I think, should be addressing economic development. 3365 05:40:15,000 --> 05:40:17,000 Let's get something going there. 3366 05:40:17,000 --> 05:40:24,000 We always say, yeah, that's a great idea, but year by year by year, it just sits there and we get no progress. 3367 05:40:24,000 --> 05:40:31,000 Now I think there is some progress going on and, you know, there's talks happening and this doesn't happen overnight. 3368 05:40:31,000 --> 05:40:34,000 But I think we need to stimulate that. 3369 05:40:34,000 --> 05:40:39,000 So if this committee, if we have a committee, a smaller, more focused committee, 3370 05:40:39,000 --> 05:40:44,000 could address those things at the same time. Why not? Why don't we do that? 3371 05:40:44,000 --> 05:40:49,000 So I don't know about the study session or the town hall meeting. 3372 05:40:49,000 --> 05:40:53,000 That'd be nice to get some feedback from the public. That'd be a great way to do that. 3373 05:40:53,000 --> 05:40:57,000 But after that, we'll really get down to the bones of doing it. 3374 05:40:57,000 --> 05:41:02,000 I think we really need the stakeholders in the Chamber of Commerce and Council, 3375 05:41:02,000 --> 05:41:07,000 some representation from Council to get started on these things and get working on them. 3376 05:41:07,000 --> 05:41:11,000 Councilman Jackson's suggestion of, you know, we have the Olympics coming up 3377 05:41:11,000 --> 05:41:16,000 and other things that there's things we can do now, and I totally agree, 3378 05:41:16,000 --> 05:41:19,000 putting some lights up and making some beautification. 3379 05:41:19,000 --> 05:41:23,000 I think we just paved everything pretty much so, you know, public works may not be involved that much, 3380 05:41:23,000 --> 05:41:31,000 but I think rather than involving our each department to look at something they got enough to do already, 3381 05:41:31,000 --> 05:41:38,000 I think this committee could do that. Put together some short-term goals and some long-term goals. 3382 05:41:38,000 --> 05:41:42,000 Well, that sounds familiar. I think we did that already the last time around. 3383 05:41:42,000 --> 05:41:47,000 But that doesn't mean that this time is going to be, you know, it's going to be the same thing. 3384 05:41:47,000 --> 05:41:52,000 It could be good and it could get started. It could get us started in the right direction. 3385 05:41:52,000 --> 05:41:55,000 So that's what I would like to see. Yes. 3386 05:41:55,000 --> 05:41:56,000 If I can just do it. 3387 05:41:56,000 --> 05:41:57,000 Oh, sorry. 3388 05:41:57,000 --> 05:41:58,000 Go ahead. 3389 05:41:58,000 --> 05:42:00,000 Thank you. 3390 05:42:00,000 --> 05:42:04,000 Like any good government, we should have a meeting on how to schedule the next meeting. 3391 05:42:04,000 --> 05:42:06,000 Now let's have a meeting about the meeting. 3392 05:42:06,000 --> 05:42:07,000 Yeah, real progress is made. 3393 05:42:07,000 --> 05:42:12,000 I mean, we are very fortunate. I mean, we have major universities nearby that have, like, 3394 05:42:12,000 --> 05:42:17,000 serious professionals, UCLA was mentioned, USC, LMU. 3395 05:42:17,000 --> 05:42:21,000 Like we have a lot of capacity here of knowledge. 3396 05:42:21,000 --> 05:42:25,000 And so getting some of these folks in here to look at, you know, whether it's a thesis study. 3397 05:42:25,000 --> 05:42:27,000 I know we've had a ton of studies in the past. 3398 05:42:27,000 --> 05:42:30,000 Again, another great thing the government does. 3399 05:42:30,000 --> 05:42:36,000 But all of it won't change unless we change our parking requirements, 3400 05:42:37,000 --> 05:42:45,000 FAR, height restrictions, and all these things that I could just feel my colleagues' shoulders tense up 3401 05:42:45,000 --> 05:42:47,000 when I say all those things. 3402 05:42:47,000 --> 05:42:51,000 Because right now it is not desirable to build in the city. 3403 05:42:51,000 --> 05:42:56,000 And so until we have conversations about what that looks like to keep Hermosa, 3404 05:42:56,000 --> 05:43:00,000 Hermosa, but also evolve with the times of, you know, 3405 05:43:00,000 --> 05:43:06,000 rubber taxis and all those other crazy future things that are going to be here in like three weeks. 3406 05:43:06,000 --> 05:43:12,000 So there's no reason to study any of it unless there's a willingness to change. 3407 05:43:12,000 --> 05:43:14,000 And I'll leave it there. 3408 05:43:14,000 --> 05:43:16,000 Thank you. So where are we? 3409 05:43:16,000 --> 05:43:18,000 I can just add one last thing, Mr. Mayor. 3410 05:43:18,000 --> 05:43:19,000 Yes. 3411 05:43:19,000 --> 05:43:22,000 You know, part of that, you know, we've talked about this. 3412 05:43:22,000 --> 05:43:27,000 You know, we, obviously the city yard is going to drive a lot of decisions. 3413 05:43:27,000 --> 05:43:33,000 And then that'll, the storage unit lot that could come into play in terms of potential parking. 3414 05:43:33,000 --> 05:43:36,000 And we've also talked about the 24-hour parking lot. 3415 05:43:36,000 --> 05:43:39,000 And I know that the city manager is having discussions there. 3416 05:43:39,000 --> 05:43:43,000 And I, and I, hopefully the chamber is involved in that as well. 3417 05:43:43,000 --> 05:43:53,000 Because those are things now sort of relatively easier things that we could start doing now to sort of drive this economic engine 3418 05:43:53,000 --> 05:43:57,000 in terms of, you know, 150 parking spots and 24-hour fitness. 3419 05:43:57,000 --> 05:44:00,000 Maybe we end up doing something with the storage unit lot. 3420 05:44:00,000 --> 05:44:02,000 So, I mean, there are things happening now. 3421 05:44:02,000 --> 05:44:05,000 Of course, nothing happens as quickly as we'd like it to happen. 3422 05:44:05,000 --> 05:44:12,000 But there's a lot going on as well as the normal day-to-day stuff that we're trying to keep our head above water. 3423 05:44:12,000 --> 05:44:14,000 Your Honor. 3424 05:44:14,000 --> 05:44:15,000 Yes. 3425 05:44:15,000 --> 05:44:20,000 Just to chime in to add on to Councillor Jackson's point. 3426 05:44:20,000 --> 05:44:30,000 I just want Council to feel assured that when I wake up in the morning, when I go to sleep at night, I'm thinking about economic development. 3427 05:44:30,000 --> 05:44:32,000 Staff is thinking about economic development. 3428 05:44:32,000 --> 05:44:41,000 We're thinking about ways to facilitate, to streamline, to ease the burden, to bring people in, to encourage people in. 3429 05:44:41,000 --> 05:44:44,000 I met today with Larry Cosmont. 3430 05:44:44,000 --> 05:44:49,000 We went over a number of different potential opportunities that we're following up on. 3431 05:44:49,000 --> 05:44:53,000 That's one of the things that I hit the ground running when I first started. 3432 05:44:53,000 --> 05:44:55,000 And we're going to continue on that. 3433 05:44:55,000 --> 05:45:00,000 And Mayor Pro Tem Dutoy's point, yes, we're looking at all the different. 3434 05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:18,000 We will be bringing things along the way. So we are knee deep, shoulders deep, head deep in economic development every day we're going to continue to be. 3435 05:45:19,000 --> 05:45:34,000 If anyone has any specific requests, I appreciate the mention of LMU, by the way, my alma mater, but aside from that, I think it's obvious that if you, as we go around the room here, economic development means different things, different people. 3436 05:45:34,000 --> 05:46:03,000 And what I think staff is looking to do, again, is to facilitate, make it easier for businesses to get up and running, bring back options to council to help in that way when we need that help, and then look to some of our long-term properties for revitalization so that they can bring the people down here to Hermosa Beach so that they can take advantage of the amenities and the services and drive the dollars here. 3437 05:46:04,000 --> 05:46:17,000 Because that's what it takes. It's about getting people here and having them spend their dollars. So we are on that, we will continue to be on that, and we will follow up with ideas and suggestions along the way as to how we can shape this. 3438 05:46:18,000 --> 05:46:24,000 But of course, we take direction from council, so if you've got direction from us, we will follow that as well. Thank you. 3439 05:46:25,000 --> 05:46:27,000 Mr. Mayor, Nancy's back online. 3440 05:46:27,000 --> 05:46:31,000 Oh, great. Okay, so let's go back to that. Nancy, can you hear us? 3441 05:46:37,000 --> 05:46:38,000 Hello? 3442 05:46:41,000 --> 05:46:42,000 Hey, mom. 3443 05:46:42,000 --> 05:46:43,000 There we go. 3444 05:46:43,000 --> 05:47:10,000 So all I wanted to say is what Steve just said. I appreciate that we have considered everything that was in the past, and now we are looking forward, and I am so grateful to Steve and to the council and to the economic development of this city that, okay, we can set aside what was there, 3445 05:47:10,000 --> 05:47:16,000 and I'm really super grateful that you guys are looking forward. And Steve, thank you so much. 3446 05:47:18,000 --> 05:47:21,000 Well, thank you, Nancy. I'm sure Steve appreciates it. 3447 05:47:22,000 --> 05:47:23,000 Okay. 3448 05:47:23,000 --> 05:47:25,000 One last thing, Mr. Mayor, then I'll show you. 3449 05:47:25,000 --> 05:47:26,000 Yes. Yes, please. 3450 05:47:26,000 --> 05:47:33,000 You know, one of the things that we've talked about planning commission talked about this, we talked about this at her last meeting is, you know, we have to do. 3451 05:47:33,000 --> 05:47:53,000 We also have to take an honest look and maybe look to what our neighboring cities did in pausing ground floor services. You know, if we're not looking at restaurants and retail for ground floor, then I think we are going to miss that mark because that's what really is going to bring folks to our town to spend the money. 3452 05:47:53,000 --> 05:48:04,000 So I think any long term plan has to include, I think, an analysis of the right sizing of the business and maybe a pause on any services and we look at retail and restaurants. 3453 05:48:04,000 --> 05:48:06,000 So I just throw that out there for consideration. 3454 05:48:07,000 --> 05:48:08,000 Appreciate that. Thank you. 3455 05:48:09,000 --> 05:48:11,000 Okay. Is there any more comment? 3456 05:48:11,000 --> 05:48:17,000 Mr. Mayor, I move that we receive a file and retire the 22 economic development strategy. 3457 05:48:18,000 --> 05:48:31,000 All right. Is there any appetite on your part with this motion to include retire the set of strategies, but also develop a new list of strategies with a new economic development? 3458 05:48:31,000 --> 05:48:38,000 I think the city manager has some direction and will grace us with staff's ideas. 3459 05:48:38,000 --> 05:48:46,000 We do. You don't need to come up with specific solutions tonight. I get the sense here. I get the sense of the community. 3460 05:48:46,000 --> 05:48:53,000 We will come up with things and there are things that, of course, we'll want all the stakeholders and everything to be part of. 3461 05:48:53,000 --> 05:48:59,000 There are things that we're doing as internal staff that we're going to continue to do to streamline and help along the way. 3462 05:48:59,000 --> 05:49:04,000 So I wouldn't suggest that you need to find a specific thing if you don't have one tonight. 3463 05:49:04,000 --> 05:49:15,000 No, I agree with that. I'm just saying that we would like to direct staff to come back with some outline of a new economic development committee and possibilities for that work. 3464 05:49:16,000 --> 05:49:20,000 Okay. So we have a motion. I'll second that motion. 3465 05:49:20,000 --> 05:49:22,000 More discussion? 3466 05:49:22,000 --> 05:49:32,000 Yeah, I just wanted to say a little bit more about we're close to what I originally suggested. I did suggest two council members, but I didn't mean that it was going to be just two. 3467 05:49:32,000 --> 05:49:37,000 But I think it's important to have this committee level to council members. 3468 05:49:37,000 --> 05:49:44,000 Two council members, a beautification committee only just met, but it wasn't dealing with all of economic development. 3469 05:49:44,000 --> 05:49:50,000 So we need to have two council members committed to this. Yes, they can meet and come up with suggestions. 3470 05:49:50,000 --> 05:49:58,000 I'd like to have all that on the table. I think if we get too distracted with raising height limits and talking about building parking garages, 3471 05:49:58,000 --> 05:50:09,000 I think we're losing the sense of let's look at what the city can do to incentivize the business engine, what makes things work for our small businesses. 3472 05:50:09,000 --> 05:50:19,000 And if there's something specific we can do, I think that's the best thing, but we'll take a look at all those alternatives when it comes back in front of us. 3473 05:50:19,000 --> 05:50:21,000 So thank you. I support the motion. 3474 05:50:21,000 --> 05:50:24,000 Thank you. There is no other comments. 3475 05:50:24,000 --> 05:50:27,000 Madam City Clerk, would you call the motion, please? 3476 05:50:27,000 --> 05:50:28,000 Council Member Francois? 3477 05:50:28,000 --> 05:50:29,000 Yes. 3478 05:50:29,000 --> 05:50:30,000 Council Member Keegan? 3479 05:50:30,000 --> 05:50:31,000 Aye. 3480 05:50:31,000 --> 05:50:33,000 Council Member Jackson? 3481 05:50:33,000 --> 05:50:34,000 Aye. 3482 05:50:34,000 --> 05:50:35,000 Mayor Potemti-Toy? 3483 05:50:35,000 --> 05:50:36,000 Aye. 3484 05:50:36,000 --> 05:50:37,000 Mayor Seiman? 3485 05:50:37,000 --> 05:50:38,000 Aye. 3486 05:50:38,000 --> 05:50:39,000 Motion carries. 3487 05:50:39,000 --> 05:50:45,000 Thank you, Madam City Clerk. Let's move on to 17G. Would you read the item, please? 3488 05:50:45,000 --> 05:50:52,000 17G, Approval of Military Equipment, used by the Hermosa Beach Police Department pursuant to Assembly Bill 418. 3489 05:50:52,000 --> 05:50:59,000 And this will be presented by Police Chief Landon Phillips. 3490 05:50:59,000 --> 05:51:01,000 Thank you. 3491 05:51:01,000 --> 05:51:03,000 Welcome, Police Chief Phillips. 3492 05:51:03,000 --> 05:51:08,000 Good evening, Mayor and Council Members. We have a presentation coming up. 3493 05:51:08,000 --> 05:51:21,000 So pursuant to Assembly Bill 481, which created a California law in 2022, City Council's required to review and renew the military use policy and resolution. 3494 05:51:21,000 --> 05:51:25,000 Next slide, please. 3495 05:51:25,000 --> 05:51:38,000 As I said, effective January 1, 2022, this law required for all public safety agencies to report on the inventory and use of what's defined as military equipment. 3496 05:51:38,000 --> 05:51:42,000 The state has a very broad definition of military equipment. 3497 05:51:42,000 --> 05:51:49,000 As an example, any drone in any configuration is considered military equipment. 3498 05:51:49,000 --> 05:51:58,000 So we are required to adopt a policy, which we do have that is posted on our city website and it's available for anyone to view. 3499 05:51:58,000 --> 05:52:07,000 In April of 2022, Council adopted Ordinance 22-1446, adopting the military use of that equipment. 3500 05:52:07,000 --> 05:52:12,000 And since then, this ordinance and policy has been renewed each year. 3501 05:52:12,000 --> 05:52:16,000 Next slide. 3502 05:52:16,000 --> 05:52:25,000 Per the law, we're required to report any complaints, any concerns or any internal investigations regarding the use of this military equipment. 3503 05:52:25,000 --> 05:52:27,000 To date, we have had none. 3504 05:52:27,000 --> 05:52:32,000 As I said, the policy is still in effect. It has not changed since we started it. 3505 05:52:32,000 --> 05:52:39,000 We're also required to update the annual inventory, which includes the purchase sale. 3506 05:52:39,000 --> 05:52:46,000 Whenever we get rid of equipment, all of that is included in the staff report attached to this report. 3507 05:52:46,000 --> 05:52:52,000 This year, we did acquire several 40-millimeter launchers. These are one-shot launchers. 3508 05:52:52,000 --> 05:52:58,000 These are only for civil unrest type activities, require officers to have training on them. 3509 05:52:58,000 --> 05:53:03,000 They have not been deployed except in training, and those were purchased with asset forfeiture funds. 3510 05:53:03,000 --> 05:53:05,000 Next slide. 3511 05:53:05,000 --> 05:53:13,000 And with that, we are recommending, excuse me, Council to renew the ordinance to receive and file the annual report. 3512 05:53:13,000 --> 05:53:19,000 And again, the only uses of any of this equipment, well, let me rephrase. 3513 05:53:19,000 --> 05:53:23,000 As far as the rifles and stuff like that, it's only been used in training. 3514 05:53:23,000 --> 05:53:26,000 We use drones every week. 3515 05:53:26,000 --> 05:53:29,000 Drone is technically military use equipment. We use those all the time. 3516 05:53:29,000 --> 05:53:34,000 Some other things such as our watch commander vehicle, those are used very frequently. 3517 05:53:34,000 --> 05:53:39,000 So that's the report on the use of state-defined military equipment. 3518 05:53:39,000 --> 05:53:40,000 Great. Thank you, Chief. 3519 05:53:40,000 --> 05:53:41,000 Any questions? 3520 05:53:41,000 --> 05:53:42,000 Mr. D. Toy. 3521 05:53:42,000 --> 05:53:47,000 Thank you. I actually got a few texts about this when I put up the agenda preview. 3522 05:53:47,000 --> 05:53:52,000 What spurred that, yes, it's good to have conversations of why this is on our agenda, 3523 05:53:52,000 --> 05:53:57,000 but B, could this go on the consent calendar in the future? 3524 05:53:57,000 --> 05:53:59,000 That's a very good question. We asked the same. 3525 05:53:59,000 --> 05:54:03,000 The law requires that there be an open public discussion. 3526 05:54:03,000 --> 05:54:09,000 By having it as a municipal matter, it allows public comment and allows that public discussion to happen. 3527 05:54:09,000 --> 05:54:10,000 This serves that purpose. 3528 05:54:10,000 --> 05:54:13,000 Perfect. Thank you. 3529 05:54:13,000 --> 05:54:15,000 Any other questions? 3530 05:54:15,000 --> 05:54:16,000 Nope. 3531 05:54:16,000 --> 05:54:17,000 Council Member Jackson? 3532 05:54:17,000 --> 05:54:18,000 Nope. 3533 05:54:18,000 --> 05:54:19,000 All right. Thank you, Chief. 3534 05:54:19,000 --> 05:54:20,000 Great report. 3535 05:54:20,000 --> 05:54:25,000 Let's move on to public comment then, please. 3536 05:54:25,000 --> 05:54:27,000 Madam City Clerk. 3537 05:54:27,000 --> 05:54:33,000 We did not receive any speaker cards. 3538 05:54:33,000 --> 05:54:50,000 Moving over to Zoom, we have Nancy. 3539 05:54:50,000 --> 05:54:52,000 Hi. 3540 05:54:52,000 --> 05:55:00,000 I just participated in the March on Sunday for standing for democracy, 3541 05:55:00,000 --> 05:55:05,000 and I heard about a 40 millimeter or something, and I'm not quite sure what it was. 3542 05:55:05,000 --> 05:55:08,000 It went pretty quickly. 3543 05:55:08,000 --> 05:55:20,000 I'm not sure I'm comfortable with our police department engaging in military activities against our civilians. 3544 05:55:20,000 --> 05:55:28,000 So I'd like to hear a little bit more about whatever the latest acquisition was, 3545 05:55:28,000 --> 05:55:32,000 and thanks. That's just all I'm asking. 3546 05:55:32,000 --> 05:55:33,000 Thank you. 3547 05:55:33,000 --> 05:55:35,000 Thank you, Nancy. 3548 05:55:35,000 --> 05:55:37,000 Any other calls? 3549 05:55:37,000 --> 05:55:41,000 Mr. Mayor, I don't see any other virtual hands raised. 3550 05:55:41,000 --> 05:55:43,000 Okay. 3551 05:55:43,000 --> 05:55:46,000 I'll close public comment then. 3552 05:55:46,000 --> 05:55:50,000 Ordinarily, public comment is not a two-way conversation. 3553 05:55:50,000 --> 05:55:55,000 Chief, do you feel like you want to respond to Nancy's question about the 40 millimeter launcher 3554 05:55:55,000 --> 05:55:58,000 and what that is and what we use it for and so on? 3555 05:55:58,000 --> 05:55:59,000 Certainly. 3556 05:55:59,000 --> 05:56:03,000 A 40 millimeter launcher is a single shot munition. 3557 05:56:03,000 --> 05:56:09,000 It does use something similar to a firearm, but it's considered a less lethal firearm. 3558 05:56:09,000 --> 05:56:14,000 It fires things such as foam bullets, other things of tear gas, 3559 05:56:14,000 --> 05:56:16,000 or other things that are used in civil unrest. 3560 05:56:16,000 --> 05:56:17,000 We have eight of them. 3561 05:56:17,000 --> 05:56:19,000 Again, we've only used them in training. 3562 05:56:19,000 --> 05:56:23,000 These are only deployed in civil unrest situations. 3563 05:56:23,000 --> 05:56:25,000 So that's it. 3564 05:56:25,000 --> 05:56:29,000 And the actual specifics of what was purchased is included in the staff report. 3565 05:56:29,000 --> 05:56:37,000 So the public comment individual can look at the attachments and it's listed right there in the annual inventory. 3566 05:56:37,000 --> 05:56:38,000 All right. 3567 05:56:38,000 --> 05:56:39,000 Thank you. 3568 05:56:39,000 --> 05:56:40,000 I appreciate that. 3569 05:56:40,000 --> 05:56:43,000 And Nancy, I hope that answers your question. 3570 05:56:43,000 --> 05:56:45,000 And there is no other comments. 3571 05:56:45,000 --> 05:56:46,000 One question, Mr. Mayor. 3572 05:56:46,000 --> 05:56:47,000 Yes. 3573 05:56:47,000 --> 05:56:49,000 Thanks, Chief. 3574 05:56:49,000 --> 05:56:55,000 So no one will utilize that unless they are properly trained. 3575 05:56:55,000 --> 05:57:02,000 Yes, and it requires our policy is that all officers have to have regular ongoing training. 3576 05:57:02,000 --> 05:57:09,000 And with our firearms instructors, they have all worked with these particular firearms. 3577 05:57:09,000 --> 05:57:14,000 The instructors themselves have to go to a specialized training to be an instructor on this specific device, 3578 05:57:14,000 --> 05:57:20,000 because it's not the same as the regular firearms that police officers train on. 3579 05:57:20,000 --> 05:57:24,000 So the instructors have specialized training and they are going through with every one of our staff 3580 05:57:24,000 --> 05:57:28,000 and they will do regular ongoing training every year. 3581 05:57:28,000 --> 05:57:29,000 Got it. 3582 05:57:29,000 --> 05:57:30,000 Thank you. 3583 05:57:30,000 --> 05:57:31,000 Yes. 3584 05:57:31,000 --> 05:57:32,000 Thank you, Chief. 3585 05:57:32,000 --> 05:57:33,000 I appreciate it. 3586 05:57:33,000 --> 05:57:34,000 All right. 3587 05:57:34,000 --> 05:57:35,000 So we are still technically in public comment. 3588 05:57:35,000 --> 05:57:40,000 So Madam City Clerk, is there anyone else on Zoom? 3589 05:57:40,000 --> 05:57:43,000 No, I don't see any other virtual hands raised. 3590 05:57:43,000 --> 05:57:44,000 And I'll close public comment. 3591 05:57:44,000 --> 05:57:50,000 Come back to council for comments, deliberations or a motion. 3592 05:57:50,000 --> 05:57:57,000 If anyone doesn't, if there are no comments, I'll make a motion to adopt the staff 3593 05:57:57,000 --> 05:58:05,000 recommendation to renew and review and renew ordinance number 22-1446 3594 05:58:05,000 --> 05:58:09,000 and ordinance of the city of Hermosa Beach adopting military use equipment in accordance 3595 05:58:09,000 --> 05:58:15,000 with assembly bill 481 and receive and file the annual military equipment report. 3596 05:58:15,000 --> 05:58:17,000 Is there a second? 3597 05:58:17,000 --> 05:58:19,000 Second. 3598 05:58:19,000 --> 05:58:20,000 Moved and seconded. 3599 05:58:20,000 --> 05:58:22,000 Any further comments? 3600 05:58:22,000 --> 05:58:23,000 Deliberations? 3601 05:58:23,000 --> 05:58:24,000 Seeing none. 3602 05:58:24,000 --> 05:58:26,000 Madam City Clerk, would you call the question please? 3603 05:58:26,000 --> 05:58:27,000 Council Member Francois? 3604 05:58:27,000 --> 05:58:28,000 Yes. 3605 05:58:28,000 --> 05:58:29,000 Council Member Keegan? 3606 05:58:29,000 --> 05:58:30,000 Aye. 3607 05:58:30,000 --> 05:58:31,000 Council Member Jackson? 3608 05:58:31,000 --> 05:58:32,000 Aye. 3609 05:58:32,000 --> 05:58:33,000 Mayor Potenditoy? 3610 05:58:33,000 --> 05:58:34,000 Aye. 3611 05:58:34,000 --> 05:58:35,000 Mayor Seiman? 3612 05:58:35,000 --> 05:58:36,000 Aye. 3613 05:58:36,000 --> 05:58:37,000 Motion carries. 3614 05:58:37,000 --> 05:58:38,000 Thank you. 3615 05:58:38,000 --> 05:58:43,000 And then let's move on to item 18, future agenda items. 3616 05:58:43,000 --> 05:58:48,000 I have two items that I'd like to bring up for a future agenda. 3617 05:58:49,000 --> 05:58:56,000 I am seeking support to direct staff to prepare a bid package for the St. Patrick's Day 3618 05:58:56,000 --> 05:59:03,000 Parade and the Memorial Day and Labor Day Fiestas for 2027 so that we can request 3619 05:59:03,000 --> 05:59:06,000 proposals at the earliest convenient date this year. 3620 05:59:06,000 --> 05:59:11,000 This avoids waiting until the last minute to consider any changes to the 3621 05:59:11,000 --> 05:59:12,000 contract that we have. 3622 05:59:12,000 --> 05:59:14,000 I don't have any problem with the contract. 3623 05:59:14,000 --> 05:59:16,000 I don't have any problem with the chamber. 3624 05:59:16,000 --> 05:59:18,000 We're done with that. 3625 05:59:18,000 --> 05:59:20,000 That's already set in place. 3626 05:59:20,000 --> 05:59:24,000 But I think that it's important that we start sometimes this year in the 3627 05:59:24,000 --> 05:59:28,000 next few months so that we have an opportunity to put this package together, 3628 05:59:28,000 --> 05:59:32,000 look at it, set it out there and see what there is out there. 3629 05:59:32,000 --> 05:59:34,000 Maybe nobody will bid on it. 3630 05:59:34,000 --> 05:59:36,000 Hopefully the chamber will bid on it also. 3631 05:59:36,000 --> 05:59:39,000 It'll be a competitive thing and we'll see what comes of it. 3632 05:59:39,000 --> 05:59:43,000 But for us to wait till January to do that I think is absurd. 3633 05:59:43,000 --> 05:59:48,000 So I would hope that I could get at least two other people so this could be an 3634 05:59:48,000 --> 05:59:50,000 action item when it does come back around. 3635 05:59:50,000 --> 05:59:56,000 And I hope this is at the next earliest convenient date this year. 3636 05:59:56,000 --> 05:59:58,000 Is there any support for that? 3637 06:00:00,000 --> 06:00:02,000 I'll second that. 3638 06:00:02,000 --> 06:00:09,000 All right. Is there a third? Anywhere? All right. Well, there's two. So that's a... 3639 06:00:09,000 --> 06:00:17,000 You're honored to clarify. Are you including, when you say events, because the events also cover in the contract sidewalk sales? 3640 06:00:17,000 --> 06:00:23,000 No, no, no, no, no. This is just for the three events. St. Patrick's Day, Memorial Day, and Labor Day. 3641 06:00:23,000 --> 06:00:24,000 For the fiestas and the parade. 3642 06:00:24,000 --> 06:00:26,000 Yeah, just for the fiestas and the parade. 3643 06:00:26,000 --> 06:00:27,000 Not Hermos for all. 3644 06:00:27,000 --> 06:00:32,000 This is a package deal. Everything else stays as it is with the chamber. 3645 06:00:32,000 --> 06:00:38,000 And once again, if this comes to fruition and we do this, I would hope that the chamber would bid on it. 3646 06:00:38,000 --> 06:00:42,000 And I just honestly hope that they are successful at it. 3647 06:00:42,000 --> 06:00:49,000 So it's just that for the last two years, we've waited until January to come back. 3648 06:00:49,000 --> 06:00:50,000 It'll come back as information. 3649 06:00:50,000 --> 06:00:52,000 We can't do anything. It's too late. I don't want that to happen again. 3650 06:00:52,000 --> 06:00:57,000 I'd like to start early this year, sometime this year, and get that out there and get going on it. 3651 06:00:57,000 --> 06:01:00,000 So we have two people. We'll have a report and find them, yes. 3652 06:01:00,000 --> 06:01:02,000 Yes, thank you. All right. 3653 06:01:02,000 --> 06:01:06,000 My second item that I would like to have as a future agenda item. 3654 06:01:06,000 --> 06:01:19,000 I would like support to direct staff to prepare a letter of support to modify SB 84 to include our small businesses in regard to ADA lawsuits without a cure period before litigation. 3655 06:01:20,000 --> 06:01:28,000 There are multiple lawsuits that are being brought against our small businesses here in Amosa, not just our, they're all over the place. 3656 06:01:28,000 --> 06:01:45,000 And so to protect our own businesses, I would like to see this letter of support, which we can bring to the state legislature and give to our representatives to show that Amosa Beach is in favor of modifying SB 84 to include small businesses. 3657 06:01:45,000 --> 06:02:03,000 SB 84, just quickly so we know we're talking about, SB 84 is up for approval in this election cycle, and it gives construction-related projects an opportunity to cure ADA imbalances. 3658 06:02:03,000 --> 06:02:14,000 So if you're building a building in the middle of it, we discover that the ramp is not correct or the bathroom circle isn't right or there's some ADA requirement that you're not meeting. 3659 06:02:14,000 --> 06:02:23,000 You have a period of time, 60 days or 90 days to cure the problem before you get into litigation. 3660 06:02:23,000 --> 06:02:31,000 The way things are now today, there are many of our businesses here in Amosa Beach who are being sued without any cure period. 3661 06:02:31,000 --> 06:02:36,000 In other words, they get sued, whether you fix it the next day or not, maybe it's minor. 3662 06:02:36,000 --> 06:02:49,000 And regardless of when you fix it or not, or if you fix it or not, you have to appear in court and you're likely to pay legal fees, at least some thousands of dollars, just to appear and say, I've already fixed it, it's all done. 3663 06:02:49,000 --> 06:02:54,000 And so most people settle out of court and this is a problem. 3664 06:02:54,000 --> 06:03:12,000 So if we could just modify SB 84 to include our businesses along with construction-related situations, this would be a really great opportunity for us to support our local businesses and make a stand to try and put an end to these frivolous lawsuits. 3665 06:03:12,000 --> 06:03:18,000 I think our small businesses deserve that help and protection and I'd like to provide it for them. 3666 06:03:18,000 --> 06:03:21,000 And I'd like the council to do that together. 3667 06:03:21,000 --> 06:03:24,000 So I'm looking for support for that. 3668 06:03:24,000 --> 06:03:25,000 I'll second that. 3669 06:03:25,000 --> 06:03:37,000 Just to clarify, I'd like to clarify, SB 84, we should have a letter of support for SB 84. 3670 06:03:37,000 --> 06:03:42,000 It already has built in it 100-day right to cure notice. 3671 06:03:42,000 --> 06:03:47,000 So essentially, I think what you're saying is we want to support SB 84. 3672 06:03:47,000 --> 06:03:48,000 No, that's not what I'm saying at all. 3673 06:03:48,000 --> 06:03:49,000 You want to add something else to it. 3674 06:03:49,000 --> 06:03:59,000 Our small businesses are not part of that because SB 84 is written for construction-related ADA deficiencies, not existing small businesses. 3675 06:03:59,000 --> 06:04:07,000 So they're subject to these litigations, lawsuits, that there is no cure period for it. 3676 06:04:07,000 --> 06:04:08,000 You're being sued. 3677 06:04:08,000 --> 06:04:11,000 You have to go to court and answer for it whether you fix it or not. 3678 06:04:11,000 --> 06:04:13,000 I guess we'll clear it up when it comes back. 3679 06:04:13,000 --> 06:04:15,000 I support it. 3680 06:04:15,000 --> 06:04:16,000 I support it. 3681 06:04:16,000 --> 06:04:17,000 I support SB 84. 3682 06:04:17,000 --> 06:04:18,000 It's my opinion that it includes that. 3683 06:04:18,000 --> 06:04:19,000 Staff has three votes. 3684 06:04:19,000 --> 06:04:20,000 Yeah. 3685 06:04:20,000 --> 06:04:21,000 All right. 3686 06:04:21,000 --> 06:04:28,000 And we really don't make, we take positions on proposed legislation, but it's rare we take positions on proposed legislation. 3687 06:04:28,000 --> 06:04:31,000 And then add things to it, right? 3688 06:04:31,000 --> 06:04:33,000 We pretty much oppose or... 3689 06:04:33,000 --> 06:04:34,000 As counsel directs. 3690 06:04:34,000 --> 06:04:35,000 Yeah, okay. 3691 06:04:35,000 --> 06:04:36,000 Yeah, fine. 3692 06:04:36,000 --> 06:04:37,000 I support the concept. 3693 06:04:37,000 --> 06:04:38,000 That was my proposal. 3694 06:04:38,000 --> 06:04:39,000 All right. 3695 06:04:39,000 --> 06:04:40,000 So are you in favor of it? 3696 06:04:40,000 --> 06:04:41,000 Yeah, in favor of the concept. 3697 06:04:41,000 --> 06:04:42,000 Anyone else? 3698 06:04:42,000 --> 06:04:43,000 We have three. 3699 06:04:43,000 --> 06:04:44,000 I guess that's all we need for an action. 3700 06:04:44,000 --> 06:04:54,000 And just for, just for edification, that's the position that contract cities and ICA is also supporting because of the rash of these lawsuits. 3701 06:04:54,000 --> 06:04:55,000 There you go. 3702 06:04:55,000 --> 06:04:56,000 Absolutely. 3703 06:04:56,000 --> 06:04:57,000 So, yeah. 3704 06:04:57,000 --> 06:05:03,000 So in addition to their support, I would like this council to lend its support to the same thing. 3705 06:05:03,000 --> 06:05:05,000 But they're supporting that SB 84 current legislation. 3706 06:05:05,000 --> 06:05:08,000 No, they're supporting the modification of SB 84. 3707 06:05:08,000 --> 06:05:10,000 You were at the same meeting. 3708 06:05:10,000 --> 06:05:12,000 We have your direction. 3709 06:05:12,000 --> 06:05:13,000 Thank you. 3710 06:05:13,000 --> 06:05:14,000 Thank you. 3711 06:05:14,000 --> 06:05:15,000 Okay. 3712 06:05:15,000 --> 06:05:17,000 Any other future agenda items? 3713 06:05:17,000 --> 06:05:18,000 I have nothing to add. 3714 06:05:18,000 --> 06:05:23,000 I just want to say thank you to staff for cleaning up the list. 3715 06:05:23,000 --> 06:05:26,000 I want to thank, make a point to thank Anne and Rihanna. 3716 06:05:26,000 --> 06:05:29,000 Nice job tonight. 3717 06:05:29,000 --> 06:05:30,000 Yes. 3718 06:05:30,000 --> 06:05:31,000 Thank you. 3719 06:05:31,000 --> 06:05:32,000 I'll second that. 3720 06:05:32,000 --> 06:05:34,000 Appreciate that recognition. 3721 06:05:34,000 --> 06:05:35,000 Yes. 3722 06:05:35,000 --> 06:05:36,000 Very good job. 3723 06:05:36,000 --> 06:05:38,000 Thank you both for your work. 3724 06:05:38,000 --> 06:05:40,000 I'd like to thank Mayor Seaman. 3725 06:05:40,000 --> 06:05:52,000 This is his last full meeting as mayor and look forward to the new transition proposed to the mayor pro 10 Detroit moving up to mayor and council member. 3726 06:05:52,000 --> 06:05:54,000 Keegan moving into mayor pro 10. 3727 06:05:54,000 --> 06:05:56,000 So I look forward to that. 3728 06:05:56,000 --> 06:05:58,000 That'll be happening at our next meeting then. 3729 06:05:58,000 --> 06:05:59,000 Thank you for that. 3730 06:05:59,000 --> 06:06:00,000 Appreciate it. 3731 06:06:00,000 --> 06:06:01,000 Yeah. 3732 06:06:01,000 --> 06:06:02,000 Appreciate everything you've done. 3733 06:06:02,000 --> 06:06:05,000 I'll wait till the next meeting to talk about being mayor and all that. 3734 06:06:05,000 --> 06:06:08,000 So it is quarter to 11. 3735 06:06:08,000 --> 06:06:12,000 If there's no other new agenda items, I adjourn this meeting. 3736 06:06:12,000 --> 06:06:13,000 Manager report. 3737 06:06:13,000 --> 06:06:16,000 I know you've been waiting for this. 3738 06:06:16,000 --> 06:06:17,000 I'm so sorry. 3739 06:06:17,000 --> 06:06:18,000 Please Steve. 3740 06:06:18,000 --> 06:06:21,000 And for those at home who've been waiting. 3741 06:06:21,000 --> 06:06:23,000 Just two short things. 3742 06:06:23,000 --> 06:06:25,000 Reminders residential parking permits. 3743 06:06:25,000 --> 06:06:27,000 First the 2026 27. 3744 06:06:27,000 --> 06:06:29,000 Residential parking permits are now on sale. 3745 06:06:29,000 --> 06:06:31,000 Permits may be purchased online. 3746 06:06:31,000 --> 06:06:42,000 This is the fastest option, but you can also purchase them by mail via the drop box outside city hall or in person on Tuesdays and Wednesdays from 7am to 3pm. 3747 06:06:42,000 --> 06:06:50,000 The current 2025 26 permits remain valid through March 19th 2026 and more info is available on the city's website. 3748 06:06:50,000 --> 06:06:52,000 Next presents day holiday. 3749 06:06:52,000 --> 06:06:57,000 The city hall and community center offices will be closed on Monday, February 16th. 3750 06:06:57,000 --> 06:06:59,000 Observance of presence day. 3751 06:06:59,000 --> 06:07:08,000 Street sweeping and parking enforcement along PCH will be suspended that Monday as will all construction work while other local parking regulations remain in effect. 3752 06:07:08,000 --> 06:07:10,000 Trash will be collected as scheduled. 3753 06:07:10,000 --> 06:07:14,000 As always, police and public works remain available throughout for non-emergency assistance. 3754 06:07:14,000 --> 06:07:20,000 Please call the dedicated police department line at 310-524-2750. 3755 06:07:20,000 --> 06:07:21,000 Thank you, your honor. 3756 06:07:21,000 --> 06:07:22,000 Thank you. 3757 06:07:22,000 --> 06:07:27,000 And by the way, nine months as mayor, have I messed up the city manager's report every single time? 3758 06:07:27,000 --> 06:07:30,000 I must have gotten it right at least once. 3759 06:07:30,000 --> 06:07:31,000 All right. 3760 06:07:31,000 --> 06:07:36,000 Well, anyway, I apologize for the nine out of 10 times that I forgot about it. 3761 06:07:36,000 --> 06:07:38,000 Appreciate that very much. 3762 06:07:38,000 --> 06:07:39,000 All right. 3763 06:07:39,000 --> 06:07:43,000 So I will adjourn this meeting at 1048. 3764 06:08:09,000 --> 06:08:11,000 Thank you.