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We are live.

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Welcome, everyone. I call to order the September 8, 2026, closed session meeting the city council at 5.30pm. Roll call, please, Madam City Clerk. Councilmember Saiman. Here. Councilmember Francois. Here. Councilmember Jackson is absent. Mayor Proto-Mkegen. Here. Mayor Dittoy. Here. We have a quorum. Thank you, and we have any public comment in person or on Zoom.

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I do not have any hands raised and I do not receive any speaker cards. I will close public comment and we'll recess the closed session. Thank you.

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can hear you.

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Councilmember Jackson, we can hear you. Do you want to try that again?

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I sure can. Can you see me? Okay. We don't see you. We can hear you though.

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Okay, perfect. Thank you. Oh,

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I think you're logged into two accounts. We can see the one we can see we can't.

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Oh, there we go.

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Okay, we're good. We can see you and we can hear you.

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Operator error. Call to

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order the September 8, 2026, regular meeting in the city council at 6.03 p.m.

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and will Dr. Susan Wiles or superintendent do the pledge allegiance.

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Thank you for that.

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Madam City Clerk, roll call please.

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Thank you.

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Council Member Jackson requested to join this evening City Council meeting virtually via Zoom in accordance with Senate Bill 707 under the just cost clause.

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Because he is traveling on official business as a California Coastal Commissioner to this month's meeting,

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Senate Bill 707 requires a council member to appear on camera and to disclose whether they are individuals H18 or older present in the room with him.

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Lastly, it requires it all vote to be taken by roll call.

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Can you confirm, Council Member Jackson?

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I can confirm that there is no one in the room with me.

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Thank you.

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And I'll do roll call now.

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Council Member Seaman.

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Here.

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Council Member François.

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Here.

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Council Member Jackson.

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Here.

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Mayor Pro Temkegan.

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Here.

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Mayor Dittoy.

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Here.

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We have a quorum.

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Perfect.

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I'll take us to announcements.

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Do my colleagues have any announcements?

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About coming city events.

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I have a couple of movies at the beach, reminder that her most of the beach friends of the

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park will host the annual movies at the beach this Saturday, September 12th, and next

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Saturday, September 19th, on the sound, sand south of the pier at 6 p.m. This Saturday's

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movie will be Pire to the Caribbean, the course of the Black Pearl, next Saturday's movie

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will be ten things I hate about you. That was not directed to anyone in the audience.

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Next up, we have the Hermos Beach Concert Series.

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We'll take place Sunday September 13th and Sunday September 20th on the sand south of

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the pier, and we'll feature three talent acts to provide up to three hours of entertainment

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beginning at 3 p.m.

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For more information, please visit Hermosabeeach.gov slash concert series.

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And lastly, to honor the memory of those who were lost on September 11th, 2001, we'll invite

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the community to attend her most of Beaches 9-11 Remembrance Reef Laying Ceremony this Friday,

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9-11 at 7.30 a.m. The ceremony will be held at the 9-11 Memorial on the Green Belt up here

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Avenue. In a few minutes we'll recognize some of the people who made this year's ceremony extra special.

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Mayor, if I may? Yes. You didn't let me do my moment of glory, the closed session report.

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Oh, so yeah, so the city of mayor city council met in closed session and there are no reportable

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Questions? Thank you for that. This week keeps us in line. Madam City Clerk, what's next? Sir, first proclamation is recognizing California Water Service for 100 years of service. All right. Mr. Mayor, before I think we forgot, we omitted the almost be jump in this weekend.

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That was not on here, but if you have the facts on it, no, no, quickly look it up as well.

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The third annual almost be jump and we'll begin this weekend. I think matches on

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Friday, Saturday, and championship matches on Sunday. Actually, I think it begins on Thursday.

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North of the pier, international, 30 on team, they think are registered. I know that there's

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a team from Holland and the team from England that are coming. So the whole world, the beach world

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is coming to the cradle of Beach volleyball, her most of beach this weekend. Perfect, and things

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He's going to want to step up to be a lead sponsor, free mission for everyone to attend,

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so if we can make it down to see some world-class volleyball.

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Thank you for that Councilman for Jackson, and now we'll have Rob Thompson up to the podium

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to speak.

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Thompson here, Operations Manager at California Water Service Company, and I definitely

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wanted to take the time and recognize an amazing accomplishment that Calwater has reached

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our 100th year, and our her most

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redondo system has reached its 99.

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So we'll be 100 next year.

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But as a company, we've been around for 100.

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We are an extremely pleased to have served the community

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and our customers.

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And the cherry on top for this year,

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we'll be holding a community party

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that all of our customers, our city officials

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and representatives are all invited to.

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Part is this Saturday at the seaside Lagoon in Redondo Beach

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from 1 p.m. to 4 p.m. Each, if you're a cloud water customer, and you're within the service territory, would have gotten a little infographic from us as well.

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The intent of the community celebration is just that, to celebrate the community that makes us great and has gotten us to this first 100 years, and we're looking forward to the next 100.

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So I have a little resolution.

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Where is the tradition of the city for most of each to recognize and honor businesses that have demonstrated an unwavering commitment to serving our community and contributing to the quality of life for a residence and whereas Cal Water has was founded in 1926 and has served the community throughout California for 100 years, providing safe, clean, reliable water to more than 2 million people statewide and whereas Cal Water has been a trusted partner in the city of from most of each since 1927, delivering essential water services guided by their promise to provide quality service and value.

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and whereas the company has demonstrated exemplaries to

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ship conservation programs and rebates that have helped

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customers reduce their water use by 30 percent since 2000 and

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2020 supporting both environmental sustainability and

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household affordability and whereas cow water has invested

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responsibly in infrastructure sustainability incentives and

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community well-being undertaking proactive ongoing maintenance

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and upgrade to deliver safe clean drinking water and improve

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emergency readiness and whereas through the generations of

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employees and leadership, Cal Water has maintained its commitment to enhancing the quality of life for our customers and communities, creating jobs, supporting the local economy, and engaging the community organizations, their neighborhoods, and throughout California.

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Now therefore, I am Michael Latoy, mayor of the city for most of each, on behalf of the entire City Council,

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do hereby congratulate California Water Service on the momentous occasion of its 100th anniversary and extended appreciation for 100 years, providing safe, clean and reliable water to our community.

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Thank you.

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Next, we have recognizing Ennis Jackson on his retirement and service to the city.

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Turn up Ennis, Lieutenant Gallia, and Chief Phillips to the podium, please.

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Good evening, Mayor, City Council, everyone in attendance.

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My name is Lieutenant Micolia, and I want to go over a couple of things that happened in 2003.

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In 2003, my space, Skype, LinkedIn, and Tesla were all created.

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The Tampa Bay Buccaneers won the Super Bowl.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger was the governor, George Bush was president.

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Buffy, the vampire slayer, aired its final episode.

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Trucker hats and juicy cord tour track suits were in style.

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I still think they're awesome.

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Bianca's debut album was released in the club by 50 Cent was a number one song.

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And yet the iPhone was still four years away from being invented.

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But also in 2003, the city of Hermosa Beach hired a great young talent, Mr. Anis Jackson.

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Although Anis was working for the city of Beverly Hills in 2003, the city of Hermosa Beach

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was fortunate enough to lure him away to the beach and hire him as our administrative services

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coordinator. In that role, NS has taken on a tremendous range of responsibilities.

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He reviews contested parking citations, stays current on senate bill changes that affect

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parking enforcement, conducts towed hearings, towed vehicle hearings, tracks and analyzes,

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parking data, overseas media repairs and collections, monitors are crossing guard contract,

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and handles many other duties that help keep the city's community services services division running

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efficiently. And this has been a tremendous asset to the city and quite honestly to everyone

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who works here.

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More importantly, I want to take a moment to recognize and it's not simply

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as an employee but as a dedicated colleague and friend who's given 23 years of outstanding

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service to the city for most of each. Throughout those 23 years, and this has been dependable,

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reliable, kind, incredibly easy to work with. He's always been willing to help and he has

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a way of doing it with a smile that makes even the most challenging situations a little

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a little easier. I'm also very happy to say that over the years I've had the privilege

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of calling in as a friend. He has been an integral part of our city staff and we're certainly

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going to miss him, not only for his tremendous institutional knowledge and his ability to quickly

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research and solve problems, but also for the positive spirit that he brings to the workplace

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always with a smile. On a personal note, I'm going to miss our great conversations the

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laughs and especially the banter we've had over the years. I'd like to point out that I've

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seen him eat pizza with a knife and fork, which is a bit bougie, am I right?

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NS, after 23 years of dedicated service, you've certainly earned this next chapter.

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I hope retirement brings you everything you worked so hard for.

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I hope you have plenty of time to spend with the family, enjoy some well-deserved travel,

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relax, and simply enjoy life.

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And I hear Italy has some pretty amazing food.

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I hope you take advantage of that.

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But thank you, NS, for your friendship, dedication, and your many years of service to the city for most of each.

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You will be greatly missed, but we wish you nothing but happiness, good health, and wonderful adventures, and retirement.

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And with that, I'm going to turn it over to Chief Phillips.

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Thank you.

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Just going to echo a little bit of what Lieutenant Gallia said, and a big thank you to NS and your years of service.

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And as Lieutenant Gallia mentioned, NS' service to the community extends beyond the 23 years you did with her most of each.

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But one of his roles, as was mentioned, is to review administrative reviews, so anytime anyone receives a parking citation, which nobody loves, and they go to appeal that parking citation. It goes to Mr. Jackson.

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He has always been entirely fair, objective, and as was mentioned, incredibly knowledgeable in the nuances of traffic law, parking law, and it may seem very, very simple, but it's not.

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not. And it was always Mr. Jackson who was the steady decider in that process on whether

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a citation would be dismissed or upheld. So thank you for that. And this is service

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to the community goes beyond. So for the last ten years, every time you saw the police

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department and city staff out doing a coffee with a cop, meeting with the schools, talking

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to the school district and setting up tables at some of their park outreach.

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It was in us.

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He was always there and I just want to add he was he was the guy behind the scenes who's

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who's keeping everything running.

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He never asked for any type of recognition.

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He never asked for any type of special thanks and sometimes we would try to thank him and

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give him recognition and he would always say no, that's not me.

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This is a man who just wants to do good for his community.

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he's done it for three decades or more and we are entirely grateful and we wish

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you the best in your retirement and we're all jealous of where your next

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chapter will take you so thank you very much.

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It's your time if you want to give

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a you know any words or I'm gonna do that too but we have a lot of you know this is

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where the Vanna White Show comes in and so we do have a lot of certificates and

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and everything to thank you for your service.

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Thank you.

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No.

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Okay.

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So, first up, from the Assembly Member Almerzuchi,

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this is a certificate of recognition for your 23 years of service to the community.

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And do you want to do all at once, Ann?

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All those certificates?

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From Senator Ben Allen.

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Another certificate for, they must have gone their cars to it a lot,

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and you must have given them a break.

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And you get a congressional one.

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I don't know what you did to Congressmember Liu, but okay.

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And then one of the last ones, just on behalf of the City Council,

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a service award for you to get in your 23 years of service.

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And with seeing all the cars getting towed on PCH today,

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I would probably want to retire today too.

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Three o'clock.

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I don't know who was working back there, but there's quite a few cars

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and tow trucks lined up, so.

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I believe the chief also has one more award for you as well.

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The tie.

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I need two guys doing up here.

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Get the one that I'm going to picture.

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Let's go.

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That's it I know.

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Thank you all.

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You should have flagged me quicker next time.

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Warn me.

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You're probably warning.

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you want to introduce the next one?

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Next, we have recognizing community contributions to the Hermosa beach

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9-11 memorial. So Dave Shaw, Ben, Kalaro, C, Kalaro, C, and Darcy Plurdy to the podium.

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Yeah, we'll come to the podium.

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So as I mentioned earlier, this is the 25th anniversary, the 9-11 tragedy.

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And this year's ceremony will be extra special because the contributions made by these gentlemen.

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And before I present the certificates of recognition, I'd like to briefly recognize each of their businesses.

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So Dave Shaw, Dave Shaw Concrete and Block, it's a 50th anniversary, correct?

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So through five decades of trusted local leadership, Dave Shaw and his team have demonstrated

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the true community spirit in Hermosa Beach as designers and builders of the 9-11 Memorial

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Concrete Tower Monument that was scaled the size and holds repurposed steel from ground

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zero, the Greg Jarvis Memorial on the Strand and the city clock and time capsules based on

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pure plaza.

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With sincere gratitude, the City of Promotives can congratulate Dave Shaw Concrete and block on 50 years of outstanding service and business excellence in the South Bay.

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We'll read all these and then everything applause is due.

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And then Ben and Clark, I can never.

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Colorassie.

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Colorassie painting.

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From humble beginnings in a station wagon over 30 years of outstanding service as a leading commercial and residential.

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potential contract in the South Bay, Ben Colorassi and his team continue to demonstrate true community spirit.

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Ben is a native of Queens, New York, who lost childhood friends in the New York, oh sorry, that's Long Island, New York, who lost childhood friends in the New York City Fire Department on Analyze.

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So, Ben's work on rehabilitating the 9-11 memorial gazebo carries profound meaning.

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Darcy Flurd of Dr. and

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Teague. Darcy is a driving force behind Dr. Teague, a premier outdoor hardwood restoration

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and preservation company serving California, Arizona, and Nevada. Dr. Teague was involved in her

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most of each 9-11 memorial bench when it was unveiled, unveiled in 2010 with a most recent

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restoration of a bench, which is adorned with nearly 3,000 unique buttons representing

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the lives lost in 9-11. Darcy has fostered a culture centered on impeccable craftsmanship,

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ship, unwaiving professionalism, and ultimate customer satisfaction.

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So we have little certificates of recognition.

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to become a politician.

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Please review.

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It's great to have you here.

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Thank you.

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Hey, Beth.

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And I'm going to grab your hand.

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I'm about to see you.

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Thank you.

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You're welcome.

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Hey, Beth.

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This is the house.

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It's full of the.

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Just in the house.

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The city of Erdogan, I got to hear it.

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It's the faculty.

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And the faculty, do you want to see the lights?

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I can't see it.

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Yeah, I don't see the lights.

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Right, then.

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I'm seeing it.

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Yeah, I can't see the light.

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I'm going to be able to feel like I'm on a car and I can't fight it.

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All

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right, Madam City Clerk, what's next?

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It's the approval of the agenda and we were full reading of ordinances and resolutions.

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Okay, I would like to pull 15 E. Is there any other items who?

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I'll pull 15 D.

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D and E. Any other items or is there a motion to approve the balance?

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Motion to approve the balance.

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Yes, D is in the area, the E is in the area.

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I'll follow the second.

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All right.

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Any conversation on that?

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I'm going to say a quick roll call please.

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One second Mr. Mayor,

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I was trying to put them having difficulty with my Wi-Fi, the item

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with the city manager spending was that one that was pulled?

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No, that's 15 F. I'd like to pull that and we can take that to the end of the meeting.

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It's fine.

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Copy that.

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So 15D, 15E and 15F.

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Good with the balance.

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Yes.

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So amended.

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Yes.

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All right.

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Roll copies.

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Council Member Francois.

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Yes.

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Council Member Sainman.

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Yes.

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Mayor Proto-Mkegen.

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Aye.

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Council Member Jackson.

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Aye.

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Mayor Dittoy.

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Aye.

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Motion passes 5-0.

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Thank you.

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And I'll take us to public comment.

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This

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is a time for public to address the city council on any item within the council's jurisdiction including items where public comment is not otherwise taken City Manager reports council member comments consent calendar items not pulled in future agenda items.

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If comments are made now and a public hearing are municipal matter additional comments on that same item will not be accepted during the item.

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Public comments are limited at three minutes per speaker unless adjusted by the mayor or city council due to time constraints speakers

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We'll have another opportunity to comment on items full from the consent calendar public hearings and municipal matters when those items are heard and

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With that our first speaker is

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Sarah H

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The

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evening mayor city council residents of Hermosa Beach. I'm here with

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Announcements of our upcoming library events

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Tomorrow September 9th at 3 p.m. We will be having bubble mania

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Join us for a show on the Science of Bubbles with shimmering waves of soap film rainbow bubbles,

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big bubble, small bubbles, square bubbles, triangle bubbles, bubbles within more bubbles, and even

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more bubbles. Who doesn't love bubbles? Next Wednesday, September 16th, we will be having a

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program for Hispanic Heritage Month on Chilean Arpieras. Arpieras are tapestries that Chilean women

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made to protest, learn more about how Arbietra's were made about the history of Chile, and

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then make your own Arbietra about a topic that is important to you.

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For our younger crowd this Saturday, September 12th, at 10.30 a.m., we will be having

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music about our totals with Natalia Music, Colombian-born songwriter and performer Natalia host an

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Interactive Concert of her original bilingual music,

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especially for ages zero to five with caregiver,

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generously sponsored by our her most

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of each friends in the library.

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And last but not least,

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we will be starting a new book club for adults.

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We will be having a hoopla book club

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starting Saturday, September 19th,

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from two to three PM.

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Join us for a lively discussion

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of most ardently yours by Freya Samson.

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All copies are available to check out on the Hoopla app. Thank you.

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Next we have Lou, a G, followed by Carol K.

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Hi, my name is Lou Giovannetti, and I used to do the New Year's Eve concert pre-COVID

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at the Hermosa Beach Pier every year. I did that for five years.

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In conjunction, we used to work with the Chamber of Commerce,

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but I wanted to come right to the seat of power and ask you that every in

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inform you that every year we get between 700 and a couple of years after

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COVID those first two years we got over 2,000 Facebook messages say is the

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concert going to happen this year? And we developed what I thought was a little bit

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of a tradition in the South Bay, free concert for people here in the South Bay

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And I could tell you stories about it all night.

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But I'm just here to tell you that we have,

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we would perform from eight o'clock to about 12th 30.

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And it was always a very safe and family and friends event.

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And I was very proud of it.

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I have a big band with 27 A1 musicians

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from all around the country in some cases.

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And I was encouraged to come and try to get this going again.

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And my ask is simple.

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Is that there's a fee for the peer that night.

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I'd like to see if you guys could talk about maybe participating

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with me to make this show happen.

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How that happens.

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We can talk about it and not going to ask for anything for free.

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but I'll tell you this, I'll produce the whole thing myself.

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I'm not asking the city for any money.

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Maybe you could waive the fee at that night,

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but all the staging lights, everything.

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Maybe because, like Mr. Colorassia over here,

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I moved here 27 years ago from New York City,

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and I got some friends there that said,

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hey, if you can get a permit, I'll send you some fireworks.

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And I just thought that it would be, you know,

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Now my sons grew up on that pier, and I'm sorry, I get emotional, I'm an emotional guy.

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And they were very little.

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Now they've graduated from college, one's a senior, here in Redondo Beach, and my

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boys are like that, come on, let's do it again, do it again.

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And so I'm asking you to take that under advisement and be more than welcome to come and see any

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of you on your time to discuss it with you personally. If you'd like I know a really

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great Italian restaurant called Primo Italia that I happen to own and it's got a backroom

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and we could all go back there and of course I'm going to charge every one of you full price

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and yeah I just invited Mr. Jackson and his family to the restaurant. That's pretty cool that

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But he eats pizza with a fork because that's what not only gone pizza, it's pretty messy.

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You can't pick it up with your hands.

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So you know that Steve.

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Anyway, I apologize for taking your time other than to say I'd love to bring this event

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back.

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I have videos.

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I have a lot of information to share with you if you would like to do it.

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If you don't, I totally understand as well.

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but I have people, local businesses that are willing to get behind this and I hope that we can start the tradition again because I think it was something that the business owners and the city itself and certainly the community was very excited to be a part of every year and it's free.

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And I will put up all the money, the show should have cost close to $75,000 to produce it.

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and the time is up. Thank you. But thank you so much for the time. Appreciate it.

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Next we have Carol K.

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Good evening, Mr. Mayor and Council members. I am Carol Cluth. I'm here tonight on behalf of the Hermosa Beach City School Board and administration to ask that you not adopt agenda item 26 AS095 and to continue the reading of this ordinance until the city has had a chance to study its potential impact on our schools.

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as a school district we found out about this item on Friday afternoon of

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along weekend with the general public. So we're here tonight to ask that the

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city pause partner with the district in the adoption of regulations that will

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meet coastal commission approval to minimize harm to this community and to our

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district. Rushing this can hurt our students, our families and our community. Public

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schools as you may or may not know are funded by enrollment for a small district like

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like Hermosa Beach, dips impact our staffing, our class sizes, and the programs we can offer.

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It affects whether we can fund our teachers, whether we can fund our counselors, librarians,

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intervention programs, enrichment programs, the arts, athletics, and all sorts of opportunities

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we provide.

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Let me share an estimate.

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Converting 4% of current long-term rental housing into short-term rentals could eliminate

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funding our district receives by half a million dollars annually. A larger

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district might be able to absorb that. Her most of each school district cannot.

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Her most of schools are one of the primary reasons families choose to make this community home.

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It happened for me, happened probably for many of you. Every residential home converted from long-term

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housing to a short-term vacation rental is one fewer home available to a family who might live here

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and enroll their students and their children in our schools.

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This is not merely theoretical.

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Communities across the country have raised the connection

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between short-term rentals, housing availability,

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and declining school enrollment.

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School leaders and communities like Anaheim and San Diego

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have specifically identified, expensive,

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and unavailable housing as limiting their enrollment

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in their schools.

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Vacation rentals and second homes contributing

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to the shortage of their year-round residents.

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citizens. However, several coastal cities have successfully worked with coastal commission

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to place caps, licensing requirements, and other restrictions on short-term rentals

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that help. A revolving door of visitors cannot replace families who are here, raise their

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children here, volunteer in local organizations, coach their kids, coach other kids, send their

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As importantly, strong schools like Hermose Beach City School District sustain this community.

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So therefore I ask the council continue the reading of this ordinance and look into the impact of the proposal on housing availability.

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Family demographics in Hermose Beach School enrollment and Hermose Beach School District's fiscal health with this decision.

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And please bring the school district to the table moving forward because we can help with this.

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The financial benefit of short-term rentals to the city must be weighed against the cost to our schools

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Please don't trade long-term health of our schools and our community for short-term occupancy. Thank you

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Next we have our virtual speakers Barbara your three minutes will start when you begin speaking

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I'm sorry Barbara lower to hand know what your three minutes will start when you begin speaking already

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can you all hear me?

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Yes, okay

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Good evening, Councilmembers. My name is Noah Starris-Sykes, and I'm the lead organizer at Better Neighbors L.A., a housing coalition focused on regulating short-term rentals to preserve long-term housing for Southern California residents. And I'm also here for item 15E. So I'm here to urge the Council to stand by the short-term rental regulations that her most of each pass to protect its housing and neighborhoods and take its regulations to the Coastal Commission. So the recent court case that invalidated or most of each's regulations only did so on the basis of these regulations were not brought before the Coastal Commission.

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commission and therefore could not be enforced, and the case made no comment on the actual

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substance of the ordinance itself only the procedure.

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So rather than passing a new ordinance that weakens short-term rental protections, we suggest

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that the council should bring its ordinance to the coastal commission for approval.

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This would not only ensure that the original intent of the council is maintained, but also

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avoid rewarding corporate speculators who are breaking the law by operating non-compliant

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short-term rentals.

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The coastal zone is roughly 43% of our most of each's land area, maintaining a strong

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short-term rental ordinance in this zone is crucial to protecting housing and neighborhoods.

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While option two of the previous staff recommendation is the best of a series of bad options, accepting

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this will create an incentive for corporate spectators to displace renters and also formalize

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the process for legalizing short-term rentals that were non-compliant with the initial

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ordinance.

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So, instead, we urge you all to not settle for a bad compromise and protect the council's

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right to protect housing in our most of each.

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You all can even choose to strengthen the ordinance to allow for only hosted short-term

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rentals, balancing coastal access needs, and the ability of coastal residents to stay

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in their homes.

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alleviating the housing crisis, especially in coastal communities, cannot be done only by

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building new housing.

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We will have to make better use of the units that we already have.

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strong short-term rental regulation will be key to that effort by preserving housing units for actual residents, not criminal regulators.

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And we therefore encourage our most of these to not pave and instead strengthen your regulations by taking them to the Coastal Commission,

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getting them approved, and then strongly enforcing them to protect residents in the community at large.

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Thank you very much.

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Next we have Frank, you three minutes, we'll start when you begin speaking.

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Good evening Council members, Frank Angel, here can you hear me?

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Yes.

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So, I'm just following up very briefly on the comment letter.

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We submitted a very brief, basically one page comment letter noting that the text of

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section 5.84.020 has proposed and submitted for your adoption, which is part of the license

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and operational requirements. As currently drafted does not reflect the city council's intent

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and decision of August 25, which was to at least for the time being exempt STRs in the

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residential districts of the coastal zone from the ban. As it reads now, it states, and I read

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section 5, the proposed section 5.84.20, it reads, it shall be unlawful for any person

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to offer advertised or make available for rent or to rent by way of a rental agreement

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lease license or other means whether oral or written for compensation or consideration or

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01:18:40,190 --> 01:18:45,590
short term rental for a period of 30 consecutive days or less.

451
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:55,310
Now, that, as it reads, does not differentiate between the inland area and the Hermosabeech

452
01:18:55,310 --> 01:19:01,110
coastal zone, and in that sense, introduces an ambiguity because your intent and decision

453
01:19:01,110 --> 01:19:07,590
in other provisions of the proposed ordinances is very clear, which is to limit the total

454
01:19:07,590 --> 01:19:13,550
prohibition STRs in the residential districts to the inland areas.

455
01:19:13,550 --> 01:19:28,450
And so we suggest that this be tweaked and that at the end of the sentence, there be a comma and that you then add the words as intended, except within the coastal zone.

456
01:19:29,150 --> 01:19:38,410
Disappointment or a change to that effect is necessary to avoid confusion and misleading the reader of this municipal code section.

457
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:40,270
Thank you very much.

458
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,380
Next, we have Barbara, your three minutes will start when you begin speaking.

459
01:20:07,170 --> 01:20:07,830
You hear me now.

460
01:20:08,610 --> 01:20:09,090
We can.

461
01:20:09,990 --> 01:20:10,530
Okay.

462
01:20:10,990 --> 01:20:14,790
First, I'd like to thank the mayor for pulling 15E.

463
01:20:15,170 --> 01:20:21,670
I wanted to raise some concerns again about Council Member Keegan and Seaman.

464
01:20:22,850 --> 01:20:28,250
I'm asking them to recuse themselves both own rental property in the coastal zone

465
01:20:28,250 --> 01:20:37,970
and both rent to residents right now, and there is no reason why they wouldn't be able

466
01:20:37,970 --> 01:20:44,730
to change their mind unless maybe they were to offer to sign a contract stating that

467
01:20:44,730 --> 01:20:49,410
they wouldn't use their rental properties as short-term rentals for expiry to time.

468
01:20:50,010 --> 01:20:55,050
But I do think unless they're willing to do that, that they need to recuse themselves,

469
01:20:55,050 --> 01:21:00,530
Nobody should be making money on their vote, or possibly making money on their vote.

470
01:21:00,990 --> 01:21:14,270
And I am asking the city attorney, the interim city attorney to again rule on this so that people that are watching can hear what it is, his advice is because it just feels really wrong.

471
01:21:15,030 --> 01:21:20,330
Councilmember Keegan has two units that he's listed on sunny California's website.

472
01:21:20,330 --> 01:21:27,350
He's obviously been working with this gentleman, so it wouldn't be difficult to change a long-term rental to a short-term.

473
01:21:29,250 --> 01:21:38,910
Also, no matter what he promises about the future, it's just poor judgment to think that you can make money, possibly make money on your vote.

474
01:21:39,550 --> 01:21:48,970
I'm also very concerned about councilmember Francois. Since his vote, he now has one of his signs up in sunny California's window,

475
01:21:48,970 --> 01:21:56,470
not saying that he did that on purpose, but again, it just looks really bad.

476
01:21:56,730 --> 01:22:02,850
We have to trust in your votes. The ability for you to change the feel of our

477
01:22:02,850 --> 01:22:09,010
town with vote is right in front of you tonight. There's no way that there

478
01:22:09,010 --> 01:22:16,010
should be any reason for us to have a doubt that your reasons are pure. I'd

479
01:22:16,010 --> 01:22:24,900
I also like to remind you that the time that you are looking at watching this program,

480
01:22:25,140 --> 01:22:29,060
the six months that you've chosen, are the slowest months that we have.

481
01:22:29,540 --> 01:22:34,720
We have a number of large events, which would be the July volleyball month.

482
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:42,540
It would be the International Surf Festival, the marathon, and you're going to use the quietest

483
01:22:42,540 --> 01:22:49,740
time to judge something that is going to have the most impact except for the oil

484
01:22:49,740 --> 01:22:54,220
vote. This could be a real change of our community and you have a

485
01:22:54,220 --> 01:22:59,480
responsibility to get as much information as possible. So go ahead and look at

486
01:22:59,480 --> 01:23:05,700
six months but you have to look at the year also. You want us to come together,

487
01:23:05,900 --> 01:23:12,180
you want us to have faith, but with what it is I'm looking at, I just don't

488
01:23:12,180 --> 01:23:19,500
And I would question whether or not three of you should be voting on this at least to again council member

489
01:23:19,500 --> 01:23:24,820
Seaman has made says that he has never had a S.T.R.

490
01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:31,660
Well then put it in writing but none of you being successful businessman would do this on a handshake.

491
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,780
Robert, thank you very much.

492
01:23:34,980 --> 01:23:35,180
Thank you.

493
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:41,440
I did not receive any other speaker cards and I do not have any other hands raised.

494
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:43,600
one last call for public comment.

495
01:23:48,050 --> 01:23:50,490
Seeing none I'll close public comment and bring it back to the

496
01:23:50,490 --> 01:23:59,150
diaspora council member comments. Any colleagues have any comments? Mr. Mayor we're asking for comment on public

497
01:23:59,150 --> 01:24:16,510
comment correct because we're going to be listening to 15 e later acts. Well then I like to make a comment if you

498
01:24:16,510 --> 01:24:21,510
for 15 years, 14 years, pardon me.

499
01:24:22,490 --> 01:24:23,650
And then then 14 years,

500
01:24:24,070 --> 01:24:27,650
I have stated over and over and over again,

501
01:24:27,870 --> 01:24:29,210
especially on planning commission,

502
01:24:29,870 --> 01:24:33,190
when this issue came up to begin with many years ago,

503
01:24:34,290 --> 01:24:36,750
I helped write the law that we're talking about,

504
01:24:37,030 --> 01:24:37,590
changing now.

505
01:24:39,090 --> 01:24:41,530
And I have always stated that I am,

506
01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:44,210
again, short-term rentals in the residential zone.

507
01:24:44,210 --> 01:24:50,650
That's why the Planning Commission came up with this excluded zone that's down by the

508
01:24:50,650 --> 01:24:54,970
water right near between Second Street and Period Avenue roughly, where there's a lot

509
01:24:54,970 --> 01:24:57,350
of little bungles there, and they were perfect for short term rentals.

510
01:24:57,950 --> 01:25:03,090
And so we decided then on the Planning Commission many years ago to limit short term rentals

511
01:25:03,090 --> 01:25:07,830
to that area, because we didn't want it to mix in with the rest of the residential zone.

512
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:10,730
I was very much opposed to have doing that.

513
01:25:10,730 --> 01:25:12,790
I have always been opposed to that.

514
01:25:13,290 --> 01:25:17,290
I think if several months ago I made mention of learning how to play a beer pong at two in

515
01:25:17,290 --> 01:25:21,530
the morning in my own bedroom because I couldn't sleep because the neighbors were so allowed

516
01:25:21,530 --> 01:25:23,490
at a short-term rental.

517
01:25:24,070 --> 01:25:28,510
I think it's quite clear that I don't care for short-term rentals and do not want them

518
01:25:28,510 --> 01:25:29,770
in the residential zone.

519
01:25:30,170 --> 01:25:33,150
I'm not going to sign a contract, that's absurd.

520
01:25:33,730 --> 01:25:39,350
Every person in this room and every person in this city that owns a home or any piece of

521
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:45,410
property that could be a rental. Any residential piece of property in the zone is a potential

522
01:25:45,410 --> 01:25:51,710
landlord for short-term rentals. Much the same as I am in anyone else's. I think it's

523
01:25:51,710 --> 01:25:56,090
enough that you should understand that I have stated this over and over again. I have

524
01:25:56,090 --> 01:26:00,150
a record. You can look it up. I suppose and find out if I've ever done a short-term rental

525
01:26:00,150 --> 01:26:05,530
and you will find none. So I am not going to recuse myself and I am not going to sign any

526
01:26:05,530 --> 01:26:10,730
contract. I think my word should stand for what I believe in as far as short-term rental

527
01:26:10,730 --> 01:26:17,150
is concerned. Barbara, I appreciate your comments and your point of view while we don't

528
01:26:17,150 --> 01:26:23,450
agree on things sometimes. I'm always welcome to listen to what you have to say, but on this

529
01:26:23,450 --> 01:26:29,790
particular instance, I'm sorry, I just can't agree with you. So some of you had mentioned

530
01:26:29,790 --> 01:26:34,510
this evening, some of the speakers here, Carol, for instance, about the school board.

531
01:26:35,090 --> 01:26:42,630
If there is information that shows that long-term families or children have been ousted

532
01:26:42,630 --> 01:26:48,230
from their homes for the benefit of short-term rentals, well, that's what the six months

533
01:26:48,230 --> 01:26:50,470
is for, so we can gather that information.

534
01:26:51,010 --> 01:26:56,530
And if there is such information, I would urge you to go through your records, find that

535
01:26:56,530 --> 01:27:01,410
information and say, well, in the past, this is the number of cases and so on, and show

536
01:27:01,410 --> 01:27:02,410
us some evidence of that.

537
01:27:02,710 --> 01:27:08,790
And if it's there, that's why we want to spend six months to look for data that supports

538
01:27:09,730 --> 01:27:12,510
reasonable, intelligent rules about short-term rentals.

539
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:17,990
If we need them, I will be the first one to say, okay, now we got some good stuff here.

540
01:27:18,350 --> 01:27:20,010
This information makes sense to me.

541
01:27:20,530 --> 01:27:22,170
There are X number of this is happening.

542
01:27:22,450 --> 01:27:23,370
There are so many complaints.

543
01:27:23,370 --> 01:27:29,530
There's X number of people who are running short-term rentals and they're not paying their tax and so on we can get that information together

544
01:27:30,810 --> 01:27:38,550
Sometimes folks say well, why didn't you jump right into it and do it immediately and some folks say why six months why are we waiting six months?

545
01:27:38,690 --> 01:27:46,870
We should do it right now and now it seems like one commenter said well, you should wait a year because the real information will come in the summertime

546
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:53,210
time. You know, I suggested six months because I thought that was enough time for us to gather some

547
01:27:53,210 --> 01:27:59,590
data that would prove, one way or another, what her most of beach is like. Not insinitas, not this

548
01:27:59,590 --> 01:28:07,870
city of that city, even not even Manhattan Beach, which is a very close example. So I appreciate all

549
01:28:07,870 --> 01:28:12,470
of your comments. I don't disagree with you. I mean, I do disagree with you, but I don't think that

550
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:15,610
But it's ridiculous to not even consider what you're saying.

551
01:28:16,050 --> 01:28:17,430
That's what the six months is for.

552
01:28:17,690 --> 01:28:18,770
Let's get the data.

553
01:28:19,210 --> 01:28:24,770
And if there's school data or noise data, whatever it is, let's get it in the next six

554
01:28:24,770 --> 01:28:28,910
months and then we'll work on this together and come up with some logical intelligent answers.

555
01:28:29,530 --> 01:28:29,890
Thank you.

556
01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:32,710
So I'll look to the city attorney real quick.

557
01:28:32,890 --> 01:28:33,810
I know 15 years old.

558
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:38,550
I don't want to delve too far into this topic in this section of the agenda.

559
01:28:39,310 --> 01:28:45,370
So, I mean, are you going to speak on public comment, or I'm going to speak health?

560
01:28:45,950 --> 01:28:47,170
I've got a comment on that.

561
01:28:47,190 --> 01:28:47,410
I'm sorry.

562
01:28:47,610 --> 01:28:52,410
So, I mean, how much should we say for 15e versus diving into this right now?

563
01:28:53,350 --> 01:28:59,810
Well, since these items, the discussion was raised during public comment, I think it's appropriate

564
01:28:59,810 --> 01:29:06,110
to respond now to the specific things and it doesn't prohibit them from talking later, but

565
01:29:06,110 --> 01:29:09,890
I think it is appropriate for the public to address it now.

566
01:29:12,990 --> 01:29:14,410
Do you want to speak?

567
01:29:15,970 --> 01:29:16,210
Yeah.

568
01:29:16,770 --> 01:29:17,310
We can go first.

569
01:29:18,170 --> 01:29:19,910
Yeah, I just want to make a brief comment.

570
01:29:19,910 --> 01:29:21,010
There was a speaker that

571
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:28,540
attempting to disparage homeowners and businesses

572
01:29:28,540 --> 01:29:36,520
because they put signs up supporting candidates for office expressing their freedom of speech.

573
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:40,780
This kind of talk really should be discouraged.

574
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:47,540
This type of bullying and pressure because someone is expressing their freedom of speech.

575
01:29:47,540 --> 01:29:49,420
It's just, it's deplorable.

576
01:29:49,580 --> 01:29:56,680
And we should really step above ourselves and trying to talk about things like that.

577
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:59,980
the individual business at hand. Actually, I'm

578
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:21,760
I believe he came down and testified that he's not even dealing with short-term rentals, because it's too much of a pain to even manage. So, I just wanted to make that comment that we really should step ourselves above this kind of bullying, talking, cornering people because they put a sign up for a certain kind. Let's get above this and move on to the goodness for what's good for our city. Thank you.

579
01:30:24,150 --> 01:30:31,550
Mayor Brutam. I just wanted to clarify the conflict of interest. The city attorney has stated that there is no comment.

580
01:30:31,550 --> 01:30:36,450
conflict of interest for people who own homes or rental properties in the coastal zone.

581
01:30:36,570 --> 01:30:39,850
And I might add, if you were really going to take the conflict of interest seriously,

582
01:30:40,410 --> 01:30:46,370
and wanted to go down to any potential, even nuance of a conflict, the only ones who could

583
01:30:46,370 --> 01:30:51,470
vote on this issue would be Michael Ditoire, my next to me, and Dean Francois, because everyone

584
01:30:51,470 --> 01:30:54,790
else is in the coastal zone and we're all eligible to run our homes.

585
01:30:55,250 --> 01:30:57,450
So stop getting on that soapbox.

586
01:30:57,450 --> 01:31:03,350
we don't have a quorum if we want to go the line of conflict of interest, so it's just,

587
01:31:04,370 --> 01:31:08,330
it's a moat point, it doesn't need to keep being blabored, I'm not voting illegally,

588
01:31:08,710 --> 01:31:13,610
I don't do short-term rentals, and I will mention that the manager that I use testified,

589
01:31:14,210 --> 01:31:22,010
and even as of yesterday I spoke to him, he has 100 rentals in the city that are furnished rentals,

590
01:31:22,010 --> 01:31:28,470
100 and he's been available for him for six months now to turn those into vacation rentals

591
01:31:28,470 --> 01:31:32,550
and not one of his customers and clients has asked to do that.

592
01:31:33,050 --> 01:31:36,570
So everyone who thinks that the floodgates have opened, why didn't a hundred people who

593
01:31:36,570 --> 01:31:45,170
are already ready to open and have teapots and, you know, the toiletries and trash bags

594
01:31:45,170 --> 01:31:50,770
and are all set up to open up vacation rentals have an opened one, not one out of a hundred.

595
01:31:50,770 --> 01:31:56,810
And that's real data and when I listen to data and I said the summer's gone, the information

596
01:31:56,810 --> 01:32:00,930
and the data we already have is all is in the system for the last four years.

597
01:32:01,170 --> 01:32:06,550
We have four years of data from Deckard that tells us who rented, how much they made and

598
01:32:06,550 --> 01:32:07,970
where these properties are located.

599
01:32:08,470 --> 01:32:13,630
So we already have data and so we know how many places have been on the market, how often

600
01:32:13,630 --> 01:32:18,810
they've rented or approximately how often they've rented and we can tell if more are coming

601
01:32:18,810 --> 01:32:19,850
into the market or less.

602
01:32:19,850 --> 01:32:25,350
So we actually have a lot of data already and the data hasn't shown that we're swinging towards going

603
01:32:25,350 --> 01:32:31,870
Crazy with rentals. It's a chicken little problem. Everyone says the sky is falling as far as the schools go

604
01:32:31,870 --> 01:32:36,110
I mean the school population right now is lower

605
01:32:36,110 --> 01:32:41,970
You should be focused instead of worrying about you know a couple rentals turning over focus on all the parents

606
01:32:41,970 --> 01:32:49,010
That are sending the kids to private schools and even board members just you know people are sending the kids to private schools on our board and

607
01:32:49,850 --> 01:32:52,950
And why don't we bring those children back and focus on them?

608
01:32:53,110 --> 01:32:58,710
I mean, do you really think that 50 rentals turn over that the schools are going to empty

609
01:32:58,710 --> 01:32:59,010
out?

610
01:32:59,670 --> 01:33:04,090
I mean, seriously, it's not going to be a huge amount, most of these properties, if you

611
01:33:04,090 --> 01:33:09,870
look at the rental market and you look online even, there's small units, one bedroom, studios,

612
01:33:10,370 --> 01:33:14,950
efficiencies, families aren't moving into the one efficiency or one bedroom.

613
01:33:15,530 --> 01:33:20,710
It's ridiculous that the schools want us to stop the program, and also both proposals.

614
01:33:20,750 --> 01:33:26,670
I want to mention to the school board members, if we halt the program, we're losing $4,000 a day in income.

615
01:33:27,710 --> 01:33:32,930
I mean, it will take a year to get an application done with the Coastal Commission, at least.

616
01:33:33,470 --> 01:33:39,930
And Sunita's took two years, and so we're going to forgo the income that's already coming in that's legal to do.

617
01:33:39,930 --> 01:33:59,530
it seems ill-conceived. We should do what we're doing. We're going to implement the taxes, collect them, see where it goes, and if it's going poorly, we can start the hearings and develop committees and work on regulations that we think are effective, then we'll have to go through our process, then we'll have to go to the Coast Commission.

618
01:33:59,970 --> 01:34:03,410
Coast Commission will make its own changes that we will not be able to affect.

619
01:34:04,490 --> 01:34:08,770
And so then they'll decide and this will go back and forth for a while. It won't be solved in one meeting.

620
01:34:08,770 --> 01:34:11,050
So this is going to be an ongoing problem.

621
01:34:11,190 --> 01:34:13,210
It's not going to go away in six months either.

622
01:34:13,710 --> 01:34:14,850
So we'll be dealing with this.

623
01:34:15,630 --> 01:34:17,230
Hopefully there won't be many problems.

624
01:34:17,410 --> 01:34:18,910
Hopefully there won't be that many conversions.

625
01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:22,010
And hopefully it will go smoothly like it did Manhattan Beach.

626
01:34:22,210 --> 01:34:29,070
I keep saying Manhattan Beach, you can go open up and the investors that the one speaker talked about buying properties.

627
01:34:29,330 --> 01:34:32,490
Why haven't they bought speculators and hedge funds?

628
01:34:32,650 --> 01:34:36,050
Why aren't they buying up Manhattan Beach real estate and why aren't the schools and

629
01:34:36,050 --> 01:34:40,590
and had a beach concerned about the vacation rental program that's available today and

630
01:34:40,590 --> 01:34:41,750
has been for four years.

631
01:34:43,010 --> 01:34:45,990
They don't, the school board over there isn't running down the city council meetings and

632
01:34:45,990 --> 01:34:47,850
saying you're emptying out our schools.

633
01:34:48,450 --> 01:34:49,730
Why aren't they doing that?

634
01:34:50,390 --> 01:34:52,010
Is it a different place on earth?

635
01:34:53,810 --> 01:34:55,830
Well, that's all I got to say on this.

636
01:34:57,510 --> 01:35:02,910
Mayor, it's probably appropriate for me to say something on the legal side of things.

637
01:35:02,910 --> 01:35:10,230
I did review the Form 700 to another relevant information concerning the potential conflict

638
01:35:10,230 --> 01:35:16,210
sprays, regarding this item. Based on the information presently available, I have not been

639
01:35:16,210 --> 01:35:21,070
able to identify disqualifying financial conflict under the Political Reform Act requiring either

640
01:35:21,070 --> 01:35:27,810
Mayor Pro Tem Keegan or Councilman Seaman to recuse. Where the Political Reform Act establishes

641
01:35:27,810 --> 01:35:30,890
is it's qualifying conflict, recusal is mandatory,

642
01:35:31,510 --> 01:35:34,350
where no disqualifying conflict exists.

643
01:35:34,570 --> 01:35:36,350
The individual council member may never

644
01:35:36,350 --> 01:35:37,890
will ask choose to recuse voluntarily.

645
01:35:39,310 --> 01:35:42,450
Accordingly, both members may participate in this item,

646
01:35:42,650 --> 01:35:44,830
and any voluntary recrues remains within their individual

647
01:35:44,830 --> 01:35:45,390
discretion.

648
01:35:46,730 --> 01:35:47,770
I would like to close by.

649
01:35:47,870 --> 01:35:49,430
I would not recommend discussing the underlying

650
01:35:49,430 --> 01:35:51,430
privilege attorney client communications

651
01:35:51,430 --> 01:35:54,430
or legal analysis further in open session.

652
01:35:56,780 --> 01:35:57,420
Thank you.

653
01:35:57,420 --> 01:36:01,940
I think this is one of my least favorite parts about having this in agenda is you know one one side

654
01:36:01,940 --> 01:36:06,500
We get a plea about the first amendment and people get up and speak and then we'll be littering from them from the dice

655
01:36:06,500 --> 01:36:13,900
So I will ask my colleagues that we listen to every public commenter and not talk them down and not again

656
01:36:13,900 --> 01:36:17,700
If we want to speak about being cordial and having a nice

657
01:36:18,440 --> 01:36:21,700
Conversation don't attack the public commenters because they're getting up and speaking

658
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:32,700
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, I was going to table it to the discussion, but since we went there,

659
01:36:32,980 --> 01:36:38,360
then I guess I will go there. First of all, Mayor Pro Tem brought up Manhattan Beach,

660
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:42,900
which I find interesting because I've yet to see a single report from Manhattan Beach.

661
01:36:43,100 --> 01:36:48,140
All we have is a comment that they have no problems in Manhattan Beach,

662
01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:54,200
as Manhattan Beach produced a report with regard to the impact over the last four years of STRs.

663
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:57,580
have they flushed out any of the issues with regard to their school district.

664
01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:05,140
I can tell you, based on recent conversations with council members in Manhattan Beach,

665
01:37:05,900 --> 01:37:13,120
after six plus years of battling against the high-roads project on 401 Rose Crants, that

666
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:19,380
because of Manhattan Beach's current policy, there is a discussion taking place at the

667
01:37:19,380 --> 01:37:24,460
owner of that property that was supposed to be affordable and all units available for

668
01:37:24,460 --> 01:37:28,780
rentals, you know, helping to solve the housing crisis that he is looking to potentially

669
01:37:28,780 --> 01:37:32,480
convert the 79 apartments to short-term rentals.

670
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:40,360
So unless I have a report from Manhattan Beach, the word that, hey, there are no problems.

671
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:41,300
I think it means nothing.

672
01:37:41,460 --> 01:37:46,660
That's not the way that we should base our policy just on a blanket statement from a city

673
01:37:46,660 --> 01:37:53,860
staff room. I mean, we keep comparing men's handbeats to her most of each. How many properties

674
01:37:53,860 --> 01:37:57,120
does men's handbeats have in the coastal zone? How many of those are rented? How many do we

675
01:37:57,120 --> 01:38:02,420
have? What's their density? Their density is nothing compared to ours. We are dense. Their parking

676
01:38:02,420 --> 01:38:09,180
issues are considerably different than ours. So the only, the only comp is they're a small

677
01:38:09,180 --> 01:38:15,460
beach city in LA County. And speaking of LA County, you know, there was a discussion, I think

678
01:38:15,460 --> 01:38:18,460
Council members, same in talked about reports.

679
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:23,460
It's not the school boards role to provide information

680
01:38:23,460 --> 01:38:25,580
to council, it's staff.

681
01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:29,040
LA County did a study a few years ago

682
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:30,520
on short-term rentals and the impact

683
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:31,800
on the housing inventory.

684
01:38:32,620 --> 01:38:34,080
That should have been part of the staff report.

685
01:38:34,940 --> 01:38:37,640
Other communities have done studies

686
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:39,480
on the impact of short-term rentals.

687
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:41,420
Those should have been part of the staff report.

688
01:38:41,860 --> 01:38:42,420
We have nothing.

689
01:38:42,420 --> 01:38:49,320
All we have is a staff report that says, let's go, let's open these up anywhere, and let's

690
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:52,860
destroy our community character, similar to what we saw with Measure O.

691
01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:57,280
And with regard to the

692
01:38:59,390 --> 01:39:05,690
community, certainly, the community certainly has a right to question

693
01:39:07,030 --> 01:39:12,890
the potential conflict of interest, because there are two council members who, quite frankly,

694
01:39:12,890 --> 01:39:18,450
We spearheaded this and were the major proponents of this that are also rental property owners.

695
01:39:18,670 --> 01:39:23,630
So there's nothing that says the day after this thing goes into effect that they can't

696
01:39:23,630 --> 01:39:26,970
then convert those into short-term rentals unless there's some safeguards.

697
01:39:28,890 --> 01:39:34,270
So I have more, I will table the rest of it for when we get to the item, but I just want

698
01:39:34,270 --> 01:39:37,930
to address those issues because my colleagues brought those up.

699
01:39:38,850 --> 01:39:39,410
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

700
01:39:40,370 --> 01:39:40,830
All right.

701
01:39:40,830 --> 01:39:44,610
All right, they'll take us to updates on City Council activities.

702
01:39:46,610 --> 01:39:47,710
Anyone have any updates?

703
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:54,020
Seeing none, I'll take us to consent calendar.

704
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:59,580
We have DE and F poll, is there a motion to approve the balance?

705
01:40:02,670 --> 01:40:03,090
So move.

706
01:40:03,710 --> 01:40:04,770
Second, is there a second?

707
01:40:05,030 --> 01:40:05,330
Second.

708
01:40:06,330 --> 01:40:08,050
All right, any conversation?

709
01:40:09,550 --> 01:40:10,290
Madam City Clerk.

710
01:40:11,150 --> 01:40:12,030
Mayor Dittoy?

711
01:40:12,550 --> 01:40:12,710
Aye.

712
01:40:13,030 --> 01:40:13,850
Council Member Francois?

713
01:40:13,850 --> 01:40:19,490
Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Mayor Pearl Tim Keegan. Hi, councilmember Seaman. Yes, councilmember Jackson.

714
01:40:22,090 --> 01:40:23,010
Councilmember Jackson.

715
01:40:26,030 --> 01:40:28,190
Motion passes 5-0. He did

716
01:40:28,730 --> 01:40:31,050
mention about that. Thank you. 5-0.

717
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:40,450
I know that F was stillated to go at the end of the meeting. Do you want to hear 15-D earlier in

718
01:40:40,450 --> 01:40:47,710
the meeting? You pulled D, right? It doesn't have to be done earlier. At the pleasure of the council.

719
01:40:48,570 --> 01:40:54,910
And then E, which I know the public hearing I continued, so where

720
01:40:57,150 --> 01:40:57,910
would you like to hear

721
01:40:57,910 --> 01:41:00,410
these in the order of the agenda?

722
01:41:02,890 --> 01:41:03,310
Mr. Mayor.

723
01:41:03,730 --> 01:41:03,850
Sir.

724
01:41:04,050 --> 01:41:11,850
Majority of people here, I think, are here for D, E, excuse me, and maybe we should do

725
01:41:11,850 --> 01:41:17,330
DE and F now in that order and then move on to the rest of the agenda.

726
01:41:18,130 --> 01:41:18,390
Okay.

727
01:41:18,390 --> 01:41:28,370
Yeah, I'm seeing sure there are 20 people here waiting for some other item 17 whatever then what makes sense but that's the order we have.

728
01:41:30,970 --> 01:41:37,670
Is there any different feeling to hear E now and push D and F litter or just go to the line? Go ahead.

729
01:41:38,430 --> 01:41:39,170
All right.

730
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:49,380
I'll take us to 15 D. We're doing D. He said D. Yeah, yeah.

731
01:41:49,380 --> 01:41:54,660
Okay. So 15 D. Well, I guess, yes, yes. 15 D. The

732
01:41:57,310 --> 01:41:58,010
staff ready for that.

733
01:42:09,660 --> 01:42:14,280
For the record, Alison Becker, community development director. Happy to answer any

734
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:18,500
questions you might have about this item. I pulled this item just because I

735
01:42:18,500 --> 01:42:24,520
wanted the residents to understand that this is our first SB 9 project in the

736
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:30,460
city. Stay wide. There's been about five to 700 of these from what I can

737
01:42:30,460 --> 01:42:33,860
and detect through the internet and through different sources.

738
01:42:34,180 --> 01:42:37,280
So I don't know, it's at 100% accurate, but it's in that realm.

739
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:44,580
This was an item passed by the state legislature about three years ago, and it's no an effect

740
01:42:44,580 --> 01:42:48,620
and it's been terribly lackluster.

741
01:42:48,900 --> 01:42:54,500
It was designed to increase the housing stock in the state and so far in three years, they've

742
01:42:54,500 --> 01:42:56,440
got less than 1,000 new units.

743
01:42:56,440 --> 01:43:03,260
So the one we're doing in this neighborhood I just wanted to explain to the city is that it would have been a single family home

744
01:43:03,260 --> 01:43:11,880
And it would have two parking spaces in front of it if it was redeveloped and now it's going to have no parking spaces on the street

745
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:13,580
So we took away two street spots

746
01:43:14,260 --> 01:43:18,460
We're going to get two homes on 20-foot wide 25-foot wide lots that are

747
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:25,240
Substandard is in length of 80 feet and so the state has helped us zone this project to

748
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:31,440
a point where we're losing parking spaces in a city that they're in a premium and on that street in particular

749
01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:37,200
they're premium also there's very little street parking. So I just wanted to point it out that this was done by the state

750
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:43,880
and it's zoning by state initiative instead of local zoning and it's probably not the best way to zone properties

751
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:50,760
through state agencies. So I just wanted to point that out let my colleagues understand that there's our first project may not be our last

752
01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:57,280
We might see more of them, but we'll lose street spaces on blocks like this, so I just wanted to point that out.

753
01:43:57,780 --> 01:43:58,140
That's all.

754
01:43:58,780 --> 01:43:59,960
Would you like to respond to the question?

755
01:44:01,140 --> 01:44:02,240
I appreciate the clarification.

756
01:44:04,820 --> 01:44:06,260
I do believe it is the first one.

757
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:08,400
It is a lack-gluster program.

758
01:44:08,700 --> 01:44:10,760
We don't have anything currently in the queue.

759
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:19,780
But yes, there are effects to state top-down regulation for landages.

760
01:44:19,780 --> 01:44:30,840
And curiously, this SB9 was voted by our State Senator voted for this, but our State Assemblyman,

761
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:34,920
Mayor Tucci voted against this item, so he did not approve it.

762
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:40,380
So I want to give Kudos to Elmer Tucci for standing up for local cities and local zoning.

763
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:43,860
Any other questions for staff?

764
01:44:45,940 --> 01:44:47,320
Seeing none, I'll open up for public comment.

765
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:48,260
We

766
01:44:51,580 --> 01:44:53,840
did not receive any speaker cards and I have no hands raised.

767
01:44:55,300 --> 01:44:59,900
All right. We'll close public comment. Bring it back to the floor for a

768
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,500
motion or deliberation. I'll make a motion to approve the staff receiving file.

769
01:45:09,380 --> 01:45:34,970
Let me make sure that's the it's not a receiving file. It's excuse me adopt the resolution to approve final parcel map and exempt from sequel guidelines for the staff report. Perfect. Is there a second? I'll second that with a comment. Yes, sir. This is something that's been looming over us for a long time and there is now finally one

770
01:45:34,970 --> 01:45:41,010
in our city we had another builders remedy in our city that we think the Lord

771
01:45:41,010 --> 01:45:45,890
that it didn't go through the way it was and it sort of dodged a boat on that one

772
01:45:45,890 --> 01:45:50,470
and I think that we need to do everything we can to try and regain local

773
01:45:50,470 --> 01:45:56,450
control in our city. I'll just say that and then I'll second the motion. Thank you.

774
01:45:56,450 --> 01:46:03,410
All right. We have motion second. Madam City clerk. Councilmember Jackson.

775
01:46:04,490 --> 01:46:11,010
Aye. Mayor Proughtson Keegan. Aye. Councilmember Seaman. Aye. Councilmember François. Yes.

776
01:46:11,290 --> 01:46:18,450
Mayor Dittoy. Aye. Motion passes. 5-0. Thank you. 15-E, Director Walker.

777
01:46:22,910 --> 01:46:27,010
I don't want to speak for my colleagues, but do we need a presentation on this? There's straight to questions.

778
01:46:35,110 --> 01:46:42,650
I think a brief presentation would be appropriate, so the public's aware of what we're doing tonight.

779
01:46:42,970 --> 01:46:43,210
Thank you.

780
01:46:43,590 --> 01:46:45,010
So, Mayor, Council, good evening.

781
01:46:45,290 --> 01:46:49,890
I'm just a recap of what was discussed and voted on the last Council meeting.

782
01:46:50,690 --> 01:46:56,670
And the item in front of you now is the second reading of an ordinance that was approved by Council by 3-2-4,

783
01:46:56,670 --> 01:47:06,310
So essentially accepting an option which directed staff to make no additional updates to the short-term vacation rental program.

784
01:47:06,510 --> 01:47:23,410
As is, collect data for six months and subsequent to that staff would return to council for the deliberation and community input on a program moving forward via a coastal application to the coastal commission for final review.

785
01:47:23,410 --> 01:47:28,430
you. So that's that's where we stand today. Obviously, there's going to be a lot of discussions

786
01:47:28,430 --> 01:47:32,210
tonight. Staff is here. Legal is here to answer any questions. You are the community

787
01:47:32,210 --> 01:47:32,690
may have.

788
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:39,880
Perfect. I'm sorry. Good. I have a question, staff.

789
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:44,780
Will any rule requirement

790
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:52,580
agreement or allowance between the city and any SDR landlord result in any kind of a vested

791
01:47:52,580 --> 01:47:54,440
the right to that landlord.

792
01:47:55,320 --> 01:47:57,360
I'm not aware of any legally vested right.

793
01:47:57,640 --> 01:48:02,060
We have a several continued treat STR and TOT as separate clutch

794
01:48:02,060 --> 01:48:02,420
efforts.

795
01:48:03,120 --> 01:48:04,840
I don't know if the city attorney wants to chime in to give.

796
01:48:05,860 --> 01:48:06,920
Yeah, that isn't getting on that.

797
01:48:07,240 --> 01:48:07,880
I appreciate that.

798
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:09,600
Thank you, but that isn't exactly my question.

799
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:11,340
Perhaps it'd be better for the city attorney.

800
01:48:12,420 --> 01:48:16,240
My question is this, assuming that someone in the zone

801
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:19,340
during this trial period that we have,

802
01:48:20,280 --> 01:48:32,300
Rents a place out with short-term rental and there is something that they are doing that we allow them to do because it's a short-term rental.

803
01:48:32,860 --> 01:48:42,260
Then when this comes around and we make a rule against it, he cannot come back to us and say, well, you can't cap the number of units because now I can't rent, because I used to rent.

804
01:48:42,260 --> 01:48:49,420
that, no I can't rent, there is no vested right that any short-term rental owner landlord

805
01:48:49,420 --> 01:48:53,040
would have because of participating in this program is what I'm trying to say.

806
01:48:55,020 --> 01:49:05,940
So just because they pay registration and pay their DOT payment, there is no vested

807
01:49:05,940 --> 01:49:11,140
it right to go forward in the operation under the SDR regulations.

808
01:49:11,640 --> 01:49:17,740
The council can adopt, going forward, adopt the gap, lottery, other eligibility requirements

809
01:49:17,740 --> 01:49:21,420
and they would have to hear those, they don't have a vested right to be exempted from that.

810
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:22,560
Thank you.

811
01:49:22,660 --> 01:49:23,440
That's all I wanted to know.

812
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:26,040
Thank you.

813
01:49:28,340 --> 01:49:29,180
Thanks, Professor Francois.

814
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:30,080
Thank you.

815
01:49:33,970 --> 01:49:39,630
So, tonight before us is a ministerial action to approve what we adopted at the public hearing

816
01:49:39,630 --> 01:49:40,330
last month.

817
01:49:40,330 --> 01:49:46,670
I assume public notice was given, that was the time for people to contribute, we even

818
01:49:46,670 --> 01:49:50,690
had a member of the school board come before us that evening.

819
01:49:50,890 --> 01:50:01,030
But if we wanted to propose a cap or a limit tomorrow, let's say, what would we have

820
01:50:01,030 --> 01:50:08,270
to produce first in terms of analysis hearings, findings, what process would be involved

821
01:50:08,270 --> 01:50:11,590
before it would actually happen.

822
01:50:14,420 --> 01:50:20,340
From the staff level, we earned the assumption that a coastal application has to be submitted with any restrictions.

823
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:30,080
That was an interpretation from the current case was that we were being done essentially putting restrictions in the coastal zone.

824
01:50:30,380 --> 01:50:33,780
So it would be forbidden for that until we move forward with an approved coastal plan.

825
01:50:33,960 --> 01:50:37,380
So from the staff level, Mr. Baltimore can chime in as that.

826
01:50:37,380 --> 01:50:43,900
but we're in the assumption that any regulations in the Colson zone for SCRs first needs Colson approval before we enact anything at the City of Bubble.

827
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:53,500
And just chime in, Council Member, from staff's perspective, of course, we take direction from Council, if you want us to hold certain hearings.

828
01:50:53,680 --> 01:51:01,520
We certainly, depending on what the direction of Council was at the last meeting, if we had direction to begin holding hearings.

829
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:03,980
I had spoken to the mayor about this.

830
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:10,480
We could have held one later this month and the following month to have as much input

831
01:51:10,480 --> 01:51:11,200
as possible.

832
01:51:12,220 --> 01:51:15,780
There was a suggestion that a joint meeting with the Planning Commission could have been

833
01:51:15,780 --> 01:51:16,220
possible.

834
01:51:16,500 --> 01:51:21,080
There are lots of different options that we could pursue to do this depending on what Council

835
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:21,420
wanted.

836
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:24,480
You want multiple hearings, of course, we'll have multiple hearings.

837
01:51:25,460 --> 01:51:30,580
We always intend to bring back more information to inform those hearings as well.

838
01:51:32,340 --> 01:51:36,300
So, we would need to come up with data, we wouldn't have a lot of data, we would just

839
01:51:36,820 --> 01:51:40,580
have a few hearings and produce something and go to coastal.

840
01:51:41,980 --> 01:51:50,980
What we have passed here is a six month interim so that we can begin registering them, collect

841
01:51:50,980 --> 01:51:51,420
data.

842
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:58,440
And within those six months, we certainly could perhaps, at the fourth month, have a planning

843
01:51:58,440 --> 01:52:05,220
commission hearing, and see what data we have, and we could essentially have something

844
01:52:05,220 --> 01:52:10,740
together in a fast track, let's say, in six months, according to what we've passed today,

845
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:18,680
to go forward with some type of data and inclusion to build a record for what we need for our coastal

846
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:20,780
development permit. Is that fair to say?

847
01:52:21,420 --> 01:52:23,420
We could do that out of council desires, I guess.

848
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:28,120
Right. But I mean, with what we've passed tonight, that could be done. We don't have to wait

849
01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:32,080
wait for six months before a planning commission begins a hearing on it.

850
01:52:32,220 --> 01:52:36,880
We could add planning commission hearings ahead of time because basically what we've passed

851
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:39,960
here is it comes in front of us in six months.

852
01:52:40,420 --> 01:52:41,260
Council desires.

853
01:52:41,560 --> 01:52:42,220
I'll do that.

854
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:42,680
Okay.

855
01:52:44,440 --> 01:52:45,020
Thank you.

856
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:45,620
That's all I have.

857
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:46,020
Thank you.

858
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:47,020
Thank you.

859
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:49,220
Only questions are more for my colleagues.

860
01:52:49,240 --> 01:52:50,380
We keep hearing about data.

861
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:53,820
And so I just want to, it wasn't very clear in the staff report what data we want to look

862
01:52:53,820 --> 01:52:54,020
at.

863
01:52:54,020 --> 01:53:00,220
So I want to task and challenge all my colleagues what what data are you looking for in six months?

864
01:53:01,860 --> 01:53:03,420
I'll answer that if you like sure

865
01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:06,200
To me, it seems that

866
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:10,380
Almost everything that's been mentioned in the last few weeks about

867
01:53:10,980 --> 01:53:16,380
What we should be doing rules that we should be creating do we need a cap on the number of them?

868
01:53:16,380 --> 01:53:17,960
Oh, how will we know that?

869
01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:23,380
Unless we have some data about how many units we actually have are there too many of them?

870
01:53:23,380 --> 01:53:24,800
is there 100 of them, 1,000 of them?

871
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:26,380
Where is there only 50 or 15?

872
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:29,420
So that's one thing that we need to know.

873
01:53:29,580 --> 01:53:33,360
How many people have signed up for short-term rentals?

874
01:53:34,940 --> 01:53:36,760
Are they paying their TOT tax?

875
01:53:37,300 --> 01:53:40,760
How many complaints are there about noise ordinance?

876
01:53:41,300 --> 01:53:43,560
And while we're on that subject, I think the most important thing

877
01:53:43,560 --> 01:53:45,300
we can do about the noise ordinance

878
01:53:45,300 --> 01:53:47,660
is enforce the law we have, probably

879
01:53:47,660 --> 01:53:50,440
in a little bit more forcefully

880
01:53:50,440 --> 01:53:51,840
than we have been in the past.

881
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:56,520
So how many noise complaints out there?

882
01:53:56,720 --> 01:53:57,740
How many units are there?

883
01:53:57,920 --> 01:53:59,080
What are they renting for?

884
01:53:59,300 --> 01:54:00,900
What's the kind of income are they producing?

885
01:54:01,640 --> 01:54:03,260
Are they paying their TOT tax?

886
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:06,020
How much TOT tax is there so far?

887
01:54:08,120 --> 01:54:09,200
How many are there?

888
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:10,860
How close together are they?

889
01:54:11,440 --> 01:54:12,280
Do we need a cap?

890
01:54:12,660 --> 01:54:15,420
Do we need to separate them?

891
01:54:15,560 --> 01:54:17,060
And how would we separate them?

892
01:54:17,640 --> 01:54:19,800
What would be the first we have to have a need for that?

893
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:23,500
But we have to know if we really even need to be discussing that.

894
01:54:23,740 --> 01:54:28,880
So having a hearing or meetings with the Planning Commission, that's all fine and

895
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:35,180
dandy, but since until we have some information to work on, until we have something to talk

896
01:54:35,180 --> 01:54:40,700
about what kind of rules we should have, or what rules we should have, it doesn't make

897
01:54:40,700 --> 01:54:44,560
sense to me to begin having those hearings yet.

898
01:54:45,340 --> 01:54:48,400
We could do them, it's fine, but that's not the point.

899
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:51,040
the point is to have six months to collect that data.

900
01:54:51,480 --> 01:54:55,800
And now, one new aspect of that data would be what's going on with the school board.

901
01:54:56,340 --> 01:54:59,680
It would be my idea that the school board should provide that information.

902
01:54:59,800 --> 01:55:02,700
If there is such information about how many families are actually leaving,

903
01:55:03,080 --> 01:55:08,480
how many children are actually leaving their school district because of short-term rentals,

904
01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:12,820
or because of their lease loss, we have no way of knowing that.

905
01:55:12,940 --> 01:55:16,940
The school board would have that information, I think, or the PTA or somebody would have that.

906
01:55:16,940 --> 01:55:18,300
but we don't have that.

907
01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:19,580
We need to get that.

908
01:55:20,180 --> 01:55:22,000
So perhaps the school board should give us

909
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:24,720
the names and addresses of every child who they say

910
01:55:24,720 --> 01:55:27,960
has lost their, we've lost them in our schools

911
01:55:27,960 --> 01:55:29,420
because of short-term rentals,

912
01:55:29,740 --> 01:55:31,140
and then we can compare those addresses

913
01:55:31,140 --> 01:55:34,440
to the short-term rentals to find out if that's really the case.

914
01:55:35,180 --> 01:55:37,300
I don't think that's really practical either.

915
01:55:37,580 --> 01:55:40,620
So when I say school board says that this is happening,

916
01:55:41,140 --> 01:55:43,760
then I would like that data to be included

917
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:45,620
in what we're talking about here.

918
01:55:45,620 --> 01:55:48,680
So that's what I think as far as data is concerned.

919
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:51,820
There's probably other things too, too many to mention.

920
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:56,960
But before we go off making new rules, we have to find out what the problems are to have

921
01:55:56,960 --> 01:55:58,580
a rule to fix the problem.

922
01:55:58,580 --> 01:56:00,680
And if there's no problem, I don't think we need a rule.

923
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:02,640
So let's get some data first.

924
01:56:04,810 --> 01:56:05,470
I appreciate that.

925
01:56:06,550 --> 01:56:06,950
Mayor?

926
01:56:07,590 --> 01:56:07,710
Sir?

927
01:56:08,130 --> 01:56:12,550
I mean, the data collection, the first thing I assume, Brandon, you're going to first identify

928
01:56:12,990 --> 01:56:19,430
And so this is correct. You're going to identify what our current inventory of people who were doing it. Let's say illegally that wasn't illegal.

929
01:56:19,590 --> 01:56:26,950
Do we have that database? Yes. Do we know what places are full-time STRs right now? Do we have a number on that?

930
01:56:27,230 --> 01:56:32,870
We have scraping data that gives us a pretty good estimate of the last four years by address, which ones have been posting.

931
01:56:33,390 --> 01:56:39,610
It's at 100% lockstep effort, but it gives us a good gauge of how many are out there and how many have been over the last four years.

932
01:56:39,610 --> 01:56:42,350
And approximately how many are would you say full-time?

933
01:56:43,130 --> 01:56:48,410
It varies by season any time is so they're not full time that no, yeah, we'd at the parcel data

934
01:56:48,410 --> 01:56:50,870
We would we would find some of them are any full-time

935
01:56:51,490 --> 01:56:52,830
We need to find a full-time

936
01:56:53,430 --> 01:56:54,930
three hundred nights a year

937
01:56:55,430 --> 01:56:58,750
I'd have to look at the data about the top map. You haven't run it by by

938
01:56:58,750 --> 01:57:07,230
I believe yeah the staff report had in it there were 65 bookings on average per month so there's 65

939
01:57:07,230 --> 01:57:11,050
five bookings per month, so approximately 65 units would be,

940
01:57:11,270 --> 01:57:14,310
or 50 units would be permanent, let's assume,

941
01:57:14,850 --> 01:57:16,650
maybe last, because some are part time.

942
01:57:16,970 --> 01:57:18,870
So maybe no one would have went to school

943
01:57:18,870 --> 01:57:20,210
because of these are part time.

944
01:57:20,710 --> 01:57:21,530
These are part time, right?

945
01:57:21,550 --> 01:57:26,050
65 number, though, is not demonstrative

946
01:57:26,050 --> 01:57:29,250
of full time versus part time.

947
01:57:29,670 --> 01:57:34,350
I think we have a gauge of about 225 on average

948
01:57:34,350 --> 01:57:37,870
that are advertising, but we're getting 65 bookings a month.

949
01:57:38,050 --> 01:57:39,690
We would have to look closer at the data

950
01:57:40,090 --> 01:57:43,110
to determine how many were repeat customers.

951
01:57:43,230 --> 01:57:45,910
We do know that there are some addresses

952
01:57:45,910 --> 01:57:47,610
that went more than others.

953
01:57:48,350 --> 01:57:52,610
Okay, so we right now are maybe less than 50 units done.

954
01:57:53,570 --> 01:57:55,170
I don't want to say for sure right now.

955
01:57:55,230 --> 01:57:58,070
Okay, well I guess we'll use even the highest number 68.

956
01:57:58,410 --> 01:58:01,570
So 68, and what month was that taken from last month?

957
01:58:03,070 --> 01:58:06,890
It might have been an average of the last four months, I believe I have to verify that.

958
01:58:07,030 --> 01:58:08,670
So that contained this past summer?

959
01:58:10,110 --> 01:58:11,590
Can't say for certain, I'll have to check on that.

960
01:58:12,070 --> 01:58:12,270
Okay.

961
01:58:12,510 --> 01:58:13,510
Well, that would be great to have.

962
01:58:13,810 --> 01:58:17,370
I think that obviously it's not going to be much different if that was four months because

963
01:58:17,370 --> 01:58:18,670
I would get the spring also.

964
01:58:19,430 --> 01:58:23,270
So I mean, the data we want to collect is to kind of figure out what our baseline is, mayor.

965
01:58:23,930 --> 01:58:29,430
Figure out how much it's going up, you know, each month and get a gauge of people's interest.

966
01:58:29,430 --> 01:58:34,990
just like I mentioned, one operator who manages 100 units

967
01:58:34,990 --> 01:58:38,330
hasn't seen one potential property leaves.

968
01:58:38,650 --> 01:58:42,250
So I'd like to see if that number grows over the next three

969
01:58:42,250 --> 01:58:45,470
months or even if it goes down because of the weather.

970
01:58:45,730 --> 01:58:48,450
I mean, it makes sense to me that they'll be even less

971
01:58:49,090 --> 01:58:50,010
by the end of the year.

972
01:58:50,610 --> 01:58:53,890
And so if we come back in six months in March and there's only

973
01:58:54,710 --> 01:58:58,770
50 or 45, I think we won't be looking

974
01:58:58,770 --> 01:59:01,570
and at a tsunami of conversions.

975
01:59:02,210 --> 01:59:04,390
So I think it's good to collect some information

976
01:59:04,390 --> 01:59:06,850
on where the trends are going

977
01:59:06,850 --> 01:59:08,810
and if it's even gonna be a problem.

978
01:59:09,270 --> 01:59:13,430
So I think that's a pertinent thing to do at this stage

979
01:59:13,430 --> 01:59:15,630
because they've had five months to ramp it up

980
01:59:16,070 --> 01:59:17,490
and it's not happening yet.

981
01:59:17,850 --> 01:59:20,530
So maybe it won't ever happen.

982
01:59:22,190 --> 01:59:25,530
Any other data that we're looking at?

983
01:59:25,530 --> 01:59:32,470
No, I think that, you know, that's the data that we need to make our limits in caps

984
01:59:32,470 --> 01:59:37,050
enforceable in order to get them approved by coastal, if that's what we need to do,

985
01:59:37,350 --> 01:59:42,830
if we try to just pick it without those numbers and have it shot back, everything gets delayed

986
01:59:42,830 --> 01:59:43,150
more.

987
01:59:43,390 --> 01:59:48,650
So, and especially those 65 and 1 through 50 a month, we get them registered.

988
01:59:48,650 --> 01:59:59,970
We get them online, we figure out are these homes with families that go away for a week and they rent it out then, I mean, we can have that day.

989
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,060
Data in that characteristic, what type of households they are, and then we can better predict what kind of restrictions we really need, whether they are caps, whether they are limitations on a certain number, or even some near closer to the schools. All of those things are something we need to have to make them enforceable, and it appears to be pragmatic to get that information and get it to us first. Thank you.

990
02:00:29,560 --> 02:00:35,760
Thank you. I think the data that I really want would come from having conversations with

991
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:40,200
the community because none of you guys mentioned listening to our neighbors and listening

992
02:00:40,200 --> 02:00:45,100
to the people who live in town. And again, that comes from public hearings and noticing

993
02:00:45,100 --> 02:00:51,160
them and again having more seats at the table and more touches on this. So we can get into

994
02:00:51,160 --> 02:00:55,160
the conversation after public comment. But again, I think the most important data is also

995
02:00:55,160 --> 02:00:55,860
to the residents.

996
02:00:58,560 --> 02:01:01,100
Ray or behind me, so I can't really see you.

997
02:01:01,620 --> 02:01:03,540
I've got a few questions, Mr. Mayor.

998
02:01:03,700 --> 02:01:03,960
Thank you.

999
02:01:05,780 --> 02:01:08,280
I want to start with this never ending comparison

1000
02:01:08,280 --> 02:01:09,500
to Manhattan Beach.

1001
02:01:10,040 --> 02:01:11,740
Do we have any data

1002
02:01:12,660 --> 02:01:14,920
with regard to what Manhattan Beach has done

1003
02:01:14,920 --> 02:01:17,060
over the last four years besides anecdotal?

1004
02:01:17,820 --> 02:01:18,580
That's all we've heard.

1005
02:01:20,760 --> 02:01:21,800
Just revenue received.

1006
02:01:22,420 --> 02:01:26,480
I, as part of this effort, I will be reaching out to

1007
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:32,340
All we have is their last three years of TOT revenue received, but nothing formal regarding

1008
02:01:32,340 --> 02:01:33,220
number of complaints.

1009
02:01:34,700 --> 02:01:35,040
Okay.

1010
02:01:35,180 --> 02:01:41,760
Well, there's more to S-T-V-Rs to just complaints and unbothered by the fact that you relied

1011
02:01:41,760 --> 02:01:47,300
on Manhattan Beach heavily with regard to your staff report and the recommendation, but

1012
02:01:47,300 --> 02:01:50,820
you have nothing from Manhattan Beach to talk about the good, the bad, the ugly.

1013
02:01:50,820 --> 02:01:58,300
were you aware that the high rose project that was a bonus density project they're

1014
02:01:58,300 --> 02:02:02,380
looking to convert there's 79 units into STBRs this is something a staff is

1015
02:02:02,380 --> 02:02:02,880
aware of

1016
02:02:05,030 --> 02:02:09,450
staff is aware that that was a point discussion when the project was

1017
02:02:09,450 --> 02:02:13,530
approved and there should be a covenant that's part that runs with the land that

1018
02:02:13,530 --> 02:02:17,970
prevents that. So there should be is there one are you aware of that and do we have

1019
02:02:17,970 --> 02:02:23,970
that, because that's I had a discussion the other day with it was approved as part of

1020
02:02:23,970 --> 02:02:31,470
the approval. Okay, well, I would like to see that because the the mayor right now

1021
02:02:31,470 --> 02:02:37,510
had a discussion that they are looking to convert those 79 units into STVRs. So I'd like

1022
02:02:37,510 --> 02:02:43,250
to see that as opposed to just hearing it. So I really appreciate a real report with regard

1023
02:02:43,250 --> 02:02:47,730
to Manhattan Beach as opposed to just I heard this or I spoke to somebody because we can't

1024
02:02:47,730 --> 02:02:52,930
conducting policy based on what we hear or what we think. We need actual facts from the ground.

1025
02:02:54,070 --> 02:02:57,210
Do we know how many properties they have in their coastal zone and how that compares to ours?

1026
02:02:58,410 --> 02:02:59,470
Have we done that comparison?

1027
02:03:01,690 --> 02:03:07,110
No council member. Okay, do we know anything about how many multifamily

1028
02:03:07,110 --> 02:03:09,730
homes do they have in their coastal zone compared to ours?

1029
02:03:13,450 --> 02:03:16,490
No. And do we know anything about how

1030
02:03:16,490 --> 02:03:20,350
How many registered STVRs versus unregistered?

1031
02:03:20,390 --> 02:03:25,330
Now we heard, you just said a few minutes ago Mr. City Manager, we have between 225 and

1032
02:03:25,330 --> 02:03:32,890
300, which you can find on any given day of STVRs in her most of beach, and we know that

1033
02:03:33,310 --> 02:03:37,350
the vast majority of them, I think probably 90 plus percent, are not properly registered.

1034
02:03:37,630 --> 02:03:43,330
So has Manhattan Beach done a study on those that are licensed and permitted, as opposed

1035
02:03:43,330 --> 02:03:44,270
to those that are not?

1036
02:03:44,270 --> 02:03:50,010
a study. I'm not aware of a study. They do report anything. Do you have anything

1037
02:03:50,010 --> 02:03:56,090
from Manhattan Beach to rely on them as a comparison city? They have a number

1038
02:03:56,090 --> 02:04:01,310
that is that are registered that report TOT to them last time. That's it.

1039
02:04:01,770 --> 02:04:10,830
Nothing else. Correct. Okay. I want to talk SQL real quick because the city is

1040
02:04:10,830 --> 02:04:17,490
relying on the sequo exemption for the short-term rental ordinance. I'm just

1041
02:04:17,490 --> 02:04:21,850
trying to figure out how can this city conclude there's no possible, no

1042
02:04:21,850 --> 02:04:25,670
possible, environmental impact for allowing short-term rentals throughout

1043
02:04:25,670 --> 02:04:31,130
residential neighborhoods. Did we study potential impacts on traffic, noise, trash,

1044
02:04:31,350 --> 02:04:39,270
water, safety, services, schools, the intensity of residential use? Did any of

1045
02:04:39,270 --> 02:04:39,650
that happen?

1046
02:04:43,860 --> 02:04:45,880
What did we find for the sequel?

1047
02:04:52,600 --> 02:04:54,960
I mean, from what I've read, we've simply stated that

1048
02:04:54,960 --> 02:04:57,040
the sequel, this ordinance is exempt from sequel.

1049
02:04:57,820 --> 02:05:01,160
But we've seen no evidence, no legal analysis supporting

1050
02:05:01,160 --> 02:05:04,320
the conclusion that expanding short-term rentals throughout

1051
02:05:04,320 --> 02:05:08,760
residential neighborhoods will have no, no significant direct

1052
02:05:08,760 --> 02:05:11,520
indirect procurement of environmental impact.

1053
02:05:12,480 --> 02:05:16,120
And I don't know how a conversion of an apartment building into

1054
02:05:16,120 --> 02:05:22,200
a hotel would not trigger an environmental review. So I'm curious as to how the city can

1055
02:05:22,200 --> 02:05:29,420
explain the widespread conversion of residential units and the transient accommodations, how

1056
02:05:29,420 --> 02:05:31,520
that would not raise sequel concerns.

1057
02:05:33,530 --> 02:05:41,370
What I do know is that when this staff report was submitted to my office for review, this was

1058
02:05:41,370 --> 02:05:48,390
sent over to our CEQA folks to take a look at and they came back with they didn't have

1059
02:05:48,390 --> 02:05:53,270
any concerns based upon the information that was submitted to them. I would have to double

1060
02:05:53,270 --> 02:05:59,870
track to find out more detail on that specific thing since there's a specific group that

1061
02:05:59,870 --> 02:06:08,210
handles that. I think it's pretty important because the staff report was emphatic that there

1062
02:06:08,210 --> 02:06:15,430
There is no, and I repeat, no possible environmental impact by allowing short-term rentals throughout

1063
02:06:15,430 --> 02:06:16,450
residential neighborhoods.

1064
02:06:16,870 --> 02:06:22,750
That means there's no impact on traffic, noise, trash, water, sewer use, schools, safety

1065
02:06:22,750 --> 02:06:25,190
services, intensity of residential units.

1066
02:06:25,710 --> 02:06:31,750
I don't know how putting potentially hundreds of businesses that are transient occupancy businesses,

1067
02:06:31,750 --> 02:06:38,130
is, how does that not have any possible environmental impact?

1068
02:06:38,610 --> 02:06:43,830
So we've got that blanket statement that just basically says, hey, trust us, but I think

1069
02:06:43,830 --> 02:06:47,830
that opens up the city to liability and we can't afford to take that risk.

1070
02:06:52,570 --> 02:06:56,970
If Mr. State attorney, if I were to take an apartment complex and convert it to a legal

1071
02:06:56,970 --> 02:07:02,290
hotel right now, is there a sequel, a sequel review that's done?

1072
02:07:02,290 --> 02:07:08,570
So typically in those type of actions there is some sort of secret analysis that's done.

1073
02:07:08,950 --> 02:07:15,810
So with level review that is, I'm not a secret expert, that's why I farm it out to secret

1074
02:07:15,810 --> 02:07:18,630
experts to opine and look at that.

1075
02:07:18,850 --> 02:07:23,290
So I can't give you a definitive answer on that because I'm not a secret expert.

1076
02:07:24,070 --> 02:07:24,170
Okay.

1077
02:07:24,510 --> 02:07:32,170
I think, you know, before we move further on anything, the city must explain why the white

1078
02:07:32,170 --> 02:07:37,150
with conversion of residential units into transient accommodations would not raise

1079
02:07:37,150 --> 02:07:43,450
similar SQL concerns. It just doesn't make sense in my mind. I'll move on from SQL.

1080
02:07:52,150 --> 02:08:03,750
Have we, I've yet to receive any comments from residents that they are all for this unlimited

1081
02:08:03,750 --> 02:08:11,230
at STVR ban being lifted, excuse me, imposed that we will now permit these unlimited STVRs.

1082
02:08:11,490 --> 02:08:16,390
As staff received any residents that have said, hey, I'm all for this.

1083
02:08:16,550 --> 02:08:18,210
You can put two, three, four units around me.

1084
02:08:18,430 --> 02:08:19,090
I'm okay with that.

1085
02:08:20,050 --> 02:08:22,270
I'm good with the change of my community character.

1086
02:08:25,390 --> 02:08:32,010
We have received emails from property owners who are in favor of this.

1087
02:08:32,010 --> 02:08:39,650
I think the majority of those from what I've read are those that are second and third home

1088
02:08:39,650 --> 02:08:42,070
owners and property managers.

1089
02:08:42,890 --> 02:08:48,590
I've yet to receive a single comment and maybe it's just me my inbox didn't receive those

1090
02:08:48,590 --> 02:08:55,770
where a resident said, hey, I'm more than happy to have a couple less TBRs surrounding

1091
02:08:55,770 --> 02:08:57,330
me, unlimited.

1092
02:08:57,330 --> 02:08:58,430
and

1093
02:09:05,120 --> 02:09:15,180
just to set the record straight, the Coastal Commission has 120 days from the date of receipt of a completed application which to take action.

1094
02:09:16,000 --> 02:09:24,080
So, and based on my discussions with the Coastal Commission, if we had a completed application,

1095
02:09:24,080 --> 02:09:30,000
And let's not forget, we submitted a CDP months ago, and after hiring our consultant,

1096
02:09:30,280 --> 02:09:35,200
we submitted a CDP, and we pulled that without any explanation or notice.

1097
02:09:35,880 --> 02:09:41,340
And so, if we've done what we should have done months ago, we could have had an approved

1098
02:09:41,340 --> 02:09:42,060
CDP.

1099
02:09:45,730 --> 02:09:47,450
And that's all my questions for now, Mr. Mayor.

1100
02:09:47,550 --> 02:09:47,850
Thank you.

1101
02:09:48,670 --> 02:09:49,450
Thank you.

1102
02:09:49,970 --> 02:09:51,850
Any other questions pop up?

1103
02:09:51,850 --> 02:10:02,290
Well, staff, the CDC application, was that reflect the loss of the court case, that application,

1104
02:10:02,450 --> 02:10:07,610
were that have contained that application we were going to submit, did that take reflect

1105
02:10:07,610 --> 02:10:12,350
that we lost the case and we had to be open to full rental,

1106
02:10:18,090 --> 02:10:19,390
or that assume that we were

1107
02:10:19,390 --> 02:10:20,350
not going to lose the case.

1108
02:10:20,350 --> 02:10:27,330
Again, Alison Becker for the record, community development director, the city was pursuing

1109
02:10:27,330 --> 02:10:34,150
a coastal development permit for its then existing short-term rental program.

1110
02:10:35,070 --> 02:10:43,110
And once the court case came down, that option was no longer available, which is why you're

1111
02:10:43,110 --> 02:10:45,150
in discussions now on this alternate.

1112
02:10:45,350 --> 02:10:49,670
And so that was the one with the commercial corridors where we had seven rentals, is that correct?

1113
02:10:49,670 --> 02:10:52,650
So we were going to submit a plan for seven rentals.

1114
02:10:52,930 --> 02:10:55,090
I'd have to ask councilman's rejects.

1115
02:10:55,170 --> 02:10:56,630
And I mean, do you think that could have got approved

1116
02:10:56,630 --> 02:10:58,890
with seven rentals in the city of her most of beach?

1117
02:10:59,730 --> 02:11:01,530
Well, let's make sure the facts are clear.

1118
02:11:01,670 --> 02:11:02,810
Mr. Mayor, through the mayor.

1119
02:11:03,210 --> 02:11:03,710
I could, sir.

1120
02:11:04,450 --> 02:11:04,890
Yes, sir.

1121
02:11:05,830 --> 02:11:07,630
Just to make sure the facts are clear.

1122
02:11:08,290 --> 02:11:12,070
It was after the court case where we unanimously agreed

1123
02:11:12,710 --> 02:11:16,030
that we would pursue a CDP through the Coastal Commission

1124
02:11:16,550 --> 02:11:18,830
and a TOT recovery program.

1125
02:11:18,830 --> 02:11:24,710
full stop. It was after the results of the court case. We didn't put that in and then

1126
02:11:24,710 --> 02:11:27,990
said, oh, let's see what happens with the court case. No, it was after the court case

1127
02:11:27,990 --> 02:11:33,170
where we unanimously said, let's put in a CDP application which we never saw it was never

1128
02:11:33,170 --> 02:11:39,850
reviewed and then it was surprisingly withdrawn without any counsel direction or advisement.

1129
02:11:39,850 --> 02:11:52,150
So I'll just say from the staff perspective, we were working on submitting a full application

1130
02:11:52,820 --> 02:12:03,430
in the fall of last year and we submitted it in early spring before the court decision.

1131
02:12:03,430 --> 02:12:13,730
and we received a direction from council to proceed with the CDP, I discovered that

1132
02:12:13,730 --> 02:12:21,350
the city had a pending CDP application that had been deemed incomplete for our existing

1133
02:12:21,350 --> 02:12:28,130
program and we proceeded to build out that application so that it could be deemed complete.

1134
02:12:28,130 --> 02:12:32,350
And that was before the court decision.

1135
02:12:32,970 --> 02:12:33,970
Thank you.

1136
02:12:34,590 --> 02:12:37,930
But we hired a consultant to help us with this application.

1137
02:12:38,370 --> 02:12:41,050
So the consultant worked for me.

1138
02:12:41,510 --> 02:12:51,690
He is a senior planner level individual, as an on call person receiving direction from

1139
02:12:51,690 --> 02:12:53,750
your community development director.

1140
02:12:56,400 --> 02:12:56,920
Correct.

1141
02:12:56,920 --> 02:13:09,700
And that was again after the corner case that was before that was before I hired him in the fall to help staff prepare the application.

1142
02:13:10,440 --> 02:13:13,700
Okay, well that's not consistent with what I was told by the city manager.

1143
02:13:13,860 --> 02:13:19,080
So I will double check my records and I'll look for that information from the city manager.

1144
02:13:19,820 --> 02:13:21,220
Sorry for the confusion.

1145
02:13:24,980 --> 02:13:25,640
Mr. Mayor.

1146
02:13:27,000 --> 02:13:27,360
Thank you.

1147
02:13:27,480 --> 02:13:30,780
Now that Alison is here, I thought maybe you could shed some light on.

1148
02:13:32,760 --> 02:13:35,240
Council Member Jackson is concerned about sequel.

1149
02:13:37,520 --> 02:13:42,180
Unfortunately, we can't really weaponize sequel or use it when it comes to housing.

1150
02:13:42,180 --> 02:13:47,920
As I understand, we'd like to, we'd say, hey, these are significant environmental incase.

1151
02:13:47,920 --> 02:13:55,120
But in fact, negative decks are very common, and could you shed some light on the concern

1152
02:13:55,120 --> 02:14:03,480
that Councilmember Jackson had about CEQA and why we can't use CEQA to better control

1153
02:14:03,480 --> 02:14:05,920
our situation when it comes to housing and all that?

1154
02:14:08,760 --> 02:14:13,660
I'm actually not, I don't think I'm going to be able to shed a lot of additional light.

1155
02:14:13,660 --> 02:14:21,580
I would say that every time that a policy project is brought before council, you're looking

1156
02:14:21,580 --> 02:14:25,420
very specifically at what the policy project is.

1157
02:14:25,660 --> 02:14:32,260
In this case, it is a registration program that is within the administrative code.

1158
02:14:32,720 --> 02:14:37,740
It is not a land use policy.

1159
02:14:37,740 --> 02:14:48,200
and therefore the strategy that was taken for a sequel exemption was considered appropriate by the city attorney.

1160
02:14:48,520 --> 02:14:49,520
Okay, thank you.

1161
02:14:52,230 --> 02:14:54,450
Seeing no other questions, we'll open up for a moment.

1162
02:14:54,510 --> 02:14:59,390
I've got a couple of Mr. Mr. Mayor because that's not what the city attorney said.

1163
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:27,660
We're going to ask about CEQA. And I take exception to the weaponization of CEQA. CEQA has a valid and legitimate purpose. And when you say, when we're converting residential homes into visitor serving businesses, these are businesses, this is a business license, people are applying for it. And we're talking about potentially hundreds of them and just say that there is no possible environmental impact. I don't think what would stand simple scrutiny.

1164
02:15:28,260 --> 02:15:33,460
and so I look forward to reading that legal review and I think that we can certainly

1165
02:15:33,460 --> 02:15:34,680
can't move forward without that.

1166
02:15:41,860 --> 02:15:44,200
You good, Rick? Yeah, I'm good, thank you.

1167
02:15:44,340 --> 02:15:47,220
Okay, thank you. We'll open up for public comment, Madam City Clerk.

1168
02:15:50,280 --> 02:15:50,580
We did not

1169
02:15:50,580 --> 02:15:55,260
receive any speaker cards. I do have one virtual speaker. Tony Higgins, your three

1170
02:15:55,260 --> 02:15:56,600
minutes will start when you begin speaking.

1171
02:16:05,650 --> 02:16:09,370
I think that the you guys really have to

1172
02:16:09,370 --> 02:16:22,430
take a hard look and I hate to say Councilman Jackson's concern about Sequa and

1173
02:16:24,440 --> 02:16:25,980
I don't think

1174
02:16:25,980 --> 02:16:37,340
you can proceed with this based on the sketchy reply we got from the city sketchy maybe the

1175
02:16:37,340 --> 02:16:51,650
wrong word and the information we got from the city attorney on Sikha compliance and

1176
02:16:51,690 --> 02:17:04,390
I think any reasonable person would say that Councilman Jackson's concerns about the

1177
02:17:04,390 --> 02:17:09,290
impact the policy as a whole.

1178
02:17:13,130 --> 02:17:17,650
You just can't proceed until you have answers to

1179
02:17:17,650 --> 02:17:22,550
his concerns about Sichua. So that's all I got to say.

1180
02:17:25,050 --> 02:17:28,240
Thank you. Next we have

1181
02:17:28,240 --> 02:17:30,460
Ann Gotha for your three minutes will start when he begins speaking.

1182
02:17:34,620 --> 02:17:35,180
Hello

1183
02:17:35,180 --> 02:17:44,900
So yes, you know, I had notes endorsing Claudia Berman's well thought out comments posted

1184
02:17:46,150 --> 02:17:52,600
before the meeting as well as acknowledging the logic of many of Tony Higgins published

1185
02:17:52,600 --> 02:17:53,220
comments.

1186
02:17:54,040 --> 02:18:00,720
However, I want to scrap that just to say I want to address this continuing argument that we

1187
02:18:00,720 --> 02:18:04,200
need data before creating policy and regulations.

1188
02:18:04,200 --> 02:18:12,640
I can't think of another situation where policies are created after a program is fully underway.

1189
02:18:13,500 --> 02:18:15,220
It's just totally illogical.

1190
02:18:16,260 --> 02:18:23,680
So for example, it is the plan to decide a potential cap just based on the number of applicants.

1191
02:18:24,600 --> 02:18:28,020
So if there's 600 applicants, is that going to be our cap?

1192
02:18:28,020 --> 02:18:34,660
I mean, generally, you would make guidelines in advance.

1193
02:18:35,040 --> 02:18:36,500
What is it that we want?

1194
02:18:37,740 --> 02:18:40,900
Not what happens and then see if we like it or not

1195
02:18:40,900 --> 02:18:43,660
and what needs to be changed and can be clawbacked,

1196
02:18:43,960 --> 02:18:45,480
license visits, et cetera.

1197
02:18:45,960 --> 02:18:49,800
So I appreciate, first of all, Mike,

1198
02:18:50,020 --> 02:18:53,000
thank you for bringing up the fact that input

1199
02:18:53,000 --> 02:18:56,280
from the community is something important.

1200
02:18:56,280 --> 02:19:07,200
and also Councilman Jackson for reiterating that at least clarifying that this comparison

1201
02:19:07,200 --> 02:19:11,800
to Manhattan Beach is really being made without a lot of information.

1202
02:19:12,740 --> 02:19:21,340
So I don't see how I was in favor of option two last month, but I honestly I don't see

1203
02:19:21,340 --> 02:19:26,060
how we can really move forward with the ordinance as it was voted on last

1204
02:19:26,060 --> 02:19:31,580
month. I think there's just too many unanswered questions. So thank you for

1205
02:19:31,580 --> 02:19:31,920
your time.

1206
02:19:35,610 --> 02:19:36,950
Next speaker is Maggie B.

1207
02:19:42,850 --> 02:19:45,230
Good evening honorable gentleman Mr. Mayor.

1208
02:19:45,870 --> 02:19:49,430
Housing and quality of life are interconnected which means we need a planned

1209
02:19:49,430 --> 02:19:53,630
approach that emphasizes common sense decision-making and a shared vision for

1210
02:19:53,630 --> 02:19:58,050
the city. We can match our revenue opportunities while protecting Hermosa's

1211
02:19:58,050 --> 02:19:59,470
character in quality of life.

1212
02:20:00,150 --> 02:20:04,250
In June, when the city created a portal to collect taxes

1213
02:20:04,250 --> 02:20:06,530
and registration this council issued a statement,

1214
02:20:07,050 --> 02:20:08,930
our goal is to listen to the community,

1215
02:20:09,270 --> 02:20:12,510
understand what fits our culture and craft a policy

1216
02:20:12,510 --> 02:20:14,810
that reflects the hermosa beach we want to preserve.

1217
02:20:15,350 --> 02:20:18,650
If that's the goal, this council needs to get curious

1218
02:20:18,650 --> 02:20:21,290
about the impacts of decisions it makes on residents behalf.

1219
02:20:22,050 --> 02:20:24,530
We have no baseline data to evaluate changes

1220
02:20:24,530 --> 02:20:26,110
from this policy in six months,

1221
02:20:26,110 --> 02:20:28,970
nor do we have a vision for what this city should look like.

1222
02:20:30,350 --> 02:20:33,250
What violations have been reported inside it since June?

1223
02:20:33,750 --> 02:20:35,990
How many companies have registered under the new rules?

1224
02:20:36,710 --> 02:20:39,150
Is there going to be a process to punish bad actors?

1225
02:20:39,810 --> 02:20:43,630
And most importantly, how many students, neighbors, and residents are we willing to lose?

1226
02:20:46,020 --> 02:20:49,300
Council, some council members have stated that data is available.

1227
02:20:49,780 --> 02:20:52,100
And if that is the case, why wasn't it put in report?

1228
02:20:52,840 --> 02:20:56,540
And if you were curious, you would have reached out to community stakeholders like the school

1229
02:20:56,540 --> 02:20:59,820
district and you would have learned that we are already investigating over a

1230
02:20:59,820 --> 02:21:05,120
dozen STR fraud cases. The Hermos Beach School District is an award-winning

1231
02:21:05,120 --> 02:21:09,000
district recognized by the state for its best practices. It has the highest

1232
02:21:09,000 --> 02:21:14,220
rate of enrollment in my lifetime and that's because of shared engagement with

1233
02:21:14,220 --> 02:21:19,280
the community. We work towards a shared vision for our district. What we do know

1234
02:21:19,280 --> 02:21:23,140
right now is that converting permanent housing into unregulated short-term

1235
02:21:23,140 --> 02:21:28,600
rentals, shrinks our rental supply for long-term residents, it inflates rental prices for

1236
02:21:29,380 --> 02:21:33,760
folks looking to rent here and destabilizes our school enrollment and our teacher pipeline.

1237
02:21:34,300 --> 02:21:38,960
I support a common sense frameworks that will cap STRs in the coastal zone, enforce

1238
02:21:38,960 --> 02:21:43,240
strict registration, collect fair taxes, and encourage strict code enforcement.

1239
02:21:44,720 --> 02:21:49,340
Council members keep citing and hand beach as a model, we've heard it enough from different

1240
02:21:49,340 --> 02:21:53,580
Monday night, but let's look at how we're different. Her

1241
02:21:53,580 --> 02:21:56,720
most is ordinance effects almost 50% of our housing stock while

1242
02:21:56,720 --> 02:22:00,580
our Hatton beaches is at 27%. Her most is policy already

1243
02:22:00,580 --> 02:22:04,220
endorses a reduction of 4% of long-term residents while

1244
02:22:04,220 --> 02:22:07,920
Manhattan beaches at 2.5%. In the same period of time that

1245
02:22:07,920 --> 02:22:10,680
Manhattan Beach has put this policy in, they've lost 600

1246
02:22:10,680 --> 02:22:14,740
students. The goal here is simple. We can take fiscal

1247
02:22:14,740 --> 02:22:18,820
responsibility with a proactive local control to protect our

1248
02:22:18,820 --> 02:22:24,160
our coastal character, our neighborhood, and multigenerational access by creating a vision.

1249
02:22:24,580 --> 02:22:24,880
Thank you.

1250
02:22:27,100 --> 02:22:28,500
Next speaker is Jim H.

1251
02:22:36,400 --> 02:22:43,920
Council, first I want to address the multiple comments made here and on the most of each

1252
02:22:43,920 --> 02:22:50,800
residence form about Francois Keegan and Seaman being accused.

1253
02:22:50,800 --> 02:23:00,100
I know Robert raised he was here. He says he does not do 30-day rentals. He did use to and it was called

1254
02:23:00,100 --> 02:23:07,160
sunny vacation rentals. And now that he had stopped because of the ban 10 years ago, he now

1255
02:23:07,160 --> 02:23:13,920
changed the name to sunny furnished rentals. No short term. He doesn't want to do it anymore. It's

1256
02:23:13,920 --> 02:23:20,500
too much work for him. And it's not for everybody. Like he said last week. As far as

1257
02:23:20,500 --> 02:23:27,980
as Seaman, I I feel bad about the beer pond situation. This be lucky it was a

1258
02:23:27,980 --> 02:23:33,120
four-night stay or a short stay. If you lived in my unit when I bought it on the

1259
02:23:33,120 --> 02:23:39,020
strand for six years, I had that noise every night plus my long-term neighbors

1260
02:23:39,020 --> 02:23:43,580
blocking my cars. One time I came out and so on with having sex with the

1261
02:23:43,580 --> 02:23:46,280
This girlfriend on my car, and these were longer neighbors.

1262
02:23:46,560 --> 02:23:52,220
My point is, is not the short-term mental causing the problem, it's the people causing

1263
02:23:52,220 --> 02:23:52,700
the problem.

1264
02:23:52,780 --> 02:23:54,080
Those people can be anyone.

1265
02:23:54,540 --> 02:24:00,280
So you regulate the noise, nuisance, and trash, and parking, and everything like that.

1266
02:24:00,920 --> 02:24:04,460
Not the way that the house is run.

1267
02:24:05,600 --> 02:24:09,140
As far as Mr. Jackson, I just found out you're my neighbor.

1268
02:24:09,820 --> 02:24:11,680
It's a two-minute walk for my place of yours.

1269
02:24:11,680 --> 02:24:15,500
and I hope my unit for 16 years hasn't bothered you.

1270
02:24:15,640 --> 02:24:18,760
I know it hasn't because my neighbors love me

1271
02:24:18,760 --> 02:24:20,100
and my short-term renters.

1272
02:24:20,300 --> 02:24:21,980
I can have them by statements.

1273
02:24:22,540 --> 02:24:25,320
They even recommend their friends and family.

1274
02:24:25,480 --> 02:24:27,120
Hey, stay close, stay at Jim's place.

1275
02:24:28,120 --> 02:24:30,000
So, you know, because I don't cause any problems,

1276
02:24:30,160 --> 02:24:32,160
I don't make any noise, I all have my number

1277
02:24:32,480 --> 02:24:35,960
and Mr. Seaman, if you call me up in the middle of the night

1278
02:24:35,960 --> 02:24:38,420
saying, hey, your renters making too much noise,

1279
02:24:38,720 --> 02:24:40,140
I would stop that immediately.

1280
02:24:40,140 --> 02:24:45,000
And that's what we should ask for all of the short-term rental operators.

1281
02:24:45,280 --> 02:24:52,740
As far as the lady from the school board and Mr. Jackson who is afraid of having short-term rentals take over the city.

1282
02:24:53,280 --> 02:24:56,400
We have a great suggestion in the proposal.

1283
02:24:57,440 --> 02:25:02,360
Two-year auditorium if someone kicks out a new fault tenant.

1284
02:25:02,620 --> 02:25:04,840
Well, let's add it for new purchases, too.

1285
02:25:05,500 --> 02:25:09,120
This way, people don't come in by short-term rentals.

1286
02:25:09,120 --> 02:25:14,200
That that should handle it. You know plus, you know, you would have seen this in Manhattan Beach

1287
02:25:14,200 --> 02:25:18,440
Yes, I know my hand to beach is different than how most of each but 10 years ago

1288
02:25:18,440 --> 02:25:23,460
And it's the same and I think you can concur with me that people were saying hey, my hand to beach has a band

1289
02:25:23,460 --> 02:25:29,080
So most of should have a band too now that my hand to beach is working without any regulation

1290
02:25:30,000 --> 02:25:33,180
They say oh my hand to beach is different and everything's different

1291
02:25:33,620 --> 02:25:38,080
You know, it's like you kind of make the argument where you have the destination

1292
02:25:38,080 --> 02:25:40,880
and then you make your argument to support it.

1293
02:25:41,760 --> 02:25:44,020
And the, you know, and the person that said

1294
02:25:44,460 --> 02:25:47,460
that the, you know, the short eventals caused no problem

1295
02:25:47,460 --> 02:25:50,600
was no anecdotal statement from a staff member.

1296
02:25:50,880 --> 02:25:52,580
That came from the police chief,

1297
02:25:52,960 --> 02:25:55,360
from the police chief right here,

1298
02:25:55,620 --> 02:25:57,020
well, in the Manhattan Beach version

1299
02:25:57,020 --> 02:25:59,960
of their council meeting, and I can send that to you.

1300
02:26:00,340 --> 02:26:01,880
So that has a lot of weight.

1301
02:26:02,020 --> 02:26:05,880
So yeah, that might not be surveys or data,

1302
02:26:05,880 --> 02:26:08,440
but we do have that from the police chief.

1303
02:26:08,500 --> 02:26:09,320
Jim, your time is up.

1304
02:26:09,520 --> 02:26:10,060
Okay, thank you.

1305
02:26:10,180 --> 02:26:10,640
There's no call.

1306
02:26:10,960 --> 02:26:11,540
So I don't know.

1307
02:26:11,680 --> 02:26:12,120
Oh, sorry.

1308
02:26:12,640 --> 02:26:13,760
I have it on our screen.

1309
02:26:14,060 --> 02:26:14,860
Yeah, it's not.

1310
02:26:14,960 --> 02:26:15,520
Put a clock here.

1311
02:26:19,930 --> 02:26:21,630
I did not receive any other speaker cards

1312
02:26:21,630 --> 02:26:23,210
and I do not have any other hands raised.

1313
02:26:25,210 --> 02:26:26,450
One last call for public comment.

1314
02:26:30,040 --> 02:26:31,660
I do have one more hand raised.

1315
02:26:31,900 --> 02:26:33,160
Laura Pena, your three minutes will start

1316
02:26:33,160 --> 02:26:33,980
when you begin speaking.

1317
02:26:37,960 --> 02:26:38,820
Hi, yes, Laura Pena.

1318
02:26:40,480 --> 02:26:41,780
Before I tell you what I think,

1319
02:26:41,780 --> 02:26:47,780
I want to tell you what I know. Our city has actually been studying short-term for a very

1320
02:26:47,780 --> 02:26:54,060
long time. The city adopted its short-term model pilot program in 2019 and it limited primarily

1321
02:26:54,060 --> 02:27:00,300
to legal, non-conforming residential units in our commercial area, not our residential. Then they

1322
02:27:00,300 --> 02:27:06,360
extended it and extended it again and then again. So apparently, when a government says we're doing

1323
02:27:06,360 --> 02:27:11,760
a pilot program, that means the plane gets to circle the airport for seven years. And after

1324
02:27:11,760 --> 02:27:13,280
After all that, what do we have?

1325
02:27:13,740 --> 02:27:16,560
We have fewer than a dozen permitted short-term rents.

1326
02:27:17,060 --> 02:27:24,180
The city's own March 2026, 186-page package to the Coulsel Commission reported just ten

1327
02:27:24,180 --> 02:27:26,460
permitted units all in the Coulsel Zone.

1328
02:27:27,100 --> 02:27:32,800
So let's be clear, that pilot couldn't possibly tell us much about what happens when short-term

1329
02:27:32,800 --> 02:27:35,460
rentals are suddenly allowed throughout the Coulsel Zone.

1330
02:27:36,180 --> 02:27:37,660
And then the corner decision happened.

1331
02:27:37,660 --> 02:27:42,300
The court changed the landscape, and now the city says it will take the next six months

1332
02:27:42,300 --> 02:27:43,680
to collect real word data.

1333
02:27:44,280 --> 02:27:44,900
That's a fact.

1334
02:27:45,560 --> 02:27:46,480
But here's what I think.

1335
02:27:47,440 --> 02:27:51,260
If we're going to spend six months learning, let's actually learn something.

1336
02:27:51,720 --> 02:27:55,300
Because six months of collecting spreadsheets isn't community engagement.

1337
02:27:56,040 --> 02:28:02,260
Let's publish a dashboard, registration, block locations, verified violations, not just

1338
02:28:02,260 --> 02:28:02,680
complaints.

1339
02:28:02,680 --> 02:28:09,060
concentration by area, enforcement costs, TOT, then hold a community workshop early.

1340
02:28:09,540 --> 02:28:13,600
Not another meeting where everybody gets three minutes at a microphone after sitting

1341
02:28:13,600 --> 02:28:14,980
here until 11 o'clock at night.

1342
02:28:15,700 --> 02:28:19,700
Ask our residents, our renters, our property owners, our schools, business, and

1343
02:28:19,700 --> 02:28:20,980
short-term operators to come.

1344
02:28:21,720 --> 02:28:23,420
What are you actually seeing?

1345
02:28:23,840 --> 02:28:28,740
Then bring everyone back after the data set coming in, show us what was said, show us

1346
02:28:28,740 --> 02:28:33,600
the numbers, show us the possible tools for minimum stays, concentration, occupancy

1347
02:28:33,600 --> 02:28:39,560
rules, stronger enforcement, housing protections, we have had years to prepare for this conversation.

1348
02:28:40,100 --> 02:28:43,740
We just spent years running pilots that produced 10 permits.

1349
02:28:44,440 --> 02:28:49,920
So perhaps this time, rather than creating another pilot to study the previous pilot, we could

1350
02:28:49,920 --> 02:28:51,500
use these six months differently.

1351
02:28:52,180 --> 02:28:56,100
We could listen, we could measure, we could engage, and then decide.

1352
02:28:56,100 --> 02:29:02,980
Because the question shouldn't be whether you're on team option one or team option two the questions to be when council

1353
02:29:02,980 --> 02:29:08,060
Finally adopts a permanent short terminal policy. Can you show this community in plain English?

1354
02:29:08,320 --> 02:29:10,280
What problem each will solve?

1355
02:29:10,580 --> 02:29:17,260
What evidence supports it and how the people who live here help shape that because that's not delaying a decision

1356
02:29:17,260 --> 02:29:24,060
That's finally doing the homework before turning in the assignment. Thank you. Thank you

1357
02:29:24,060 --> 02:29:26,940
Anyone else?

1358
02:29:27,780 --> 02:29:29,300
I do not have any other hands raised.

1359
02:29:29,920 --> 02:29:31,180
Seeing none, we'll close public comment.

1360
02:29:31,340 --> 02:29:32,220
I'll cut to the city attorney.

1361
02:29:32,400 --> 02:29:33,560
I think I was supposed to do this a little bit earlier.

1362
02:29:33,920 --> 02:29:36,480
Yeah, and there's a couple items.

1363
02:29:36,740 --> 02:29:43,480
The first, I want to get back to the sequa, which Councilman Jackson asked about construction

1364
02:29:43,480 --> 02:29:44,180
and all that.

1365
02:29:44,820 --> 02:29:47,520
It doesn't apply in this particular situation.

1366
02:29:48,620 --> 02:29:54,060
The sequa concerns, as you raise, the ordinance by itself does not authorize short term

1367
02:29:54,060 --> 02:29:55,260
rentals in the coastal zone.

1368
02:29:55,260 --> 02:29:59,880
the corner judgment already established the present legal status.

1369
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,660
Just for short term rentals in that area. Until the city, you know, until the city adopts additional regulations, or obtains the coastal commissions approval. The ordinance, which is before us today, principally confirms the municipal code to the existing legal status that was determined by the corner decision establishing TOT tax registration, all that kind of stuff. So, the ordinance does not approve or authorize development of construction,

1370
02:30:29,660 --> 02:30:36,640
and permit or physical alteration of property, that's the distinction of why my office was

1371
02:30:36,640 --> 02:30:41,420
comfortable in saying the CEQA doesn't apply in the situation because it's implementing

1372
02:30:42,020 --> 02:30:46,580
and adhering the code to what the corner decision came, determined.

1373
02:30:47,520 --> 02:30:52,020
If it wasn't the corner decision, corner decision that we were relying on, yeah, then you have

1374
02:30:52,020 --> 02:30:55,320
an argument that CEQA and they would have been findings and all that, which is typically

1375
02:30:55,320 --> 02:30:58,420
done in those kind of things, but that's not the situation before us.

1376
02:30:58,420 --> 02:31:05,080
So, I hope that clarifies a little bit on the secret portion of what you raised.

1377
02:31:06,260 --> 02:31:14,060
There's another item that I want to discuss, and that was one in the public comment, and

1378
02:31:14,060 --> 02:31:15,400
it was a written comment that was submitted.

1379
02:31:16,540 --> 02:31:22,940
Before Council takes action, there was a clerical admission and exhibit B of the ordinance.

1380
02:31:22,940 --> 02:31:40,980
Section 5.84.020 contains the general prohibition intended to apply outside the coastal zone, but the sentence expressly exempting short-term rentals located within the coastal zone was inadvertently admitted from the exhibit B included in the first reading.

1381
02:31:40,980 --> 02:32:02,660
The August 25, 2026 staff report, the ordinance recitals and findings, section 5.84.030, and the legal review drafts preceding introduction of all reflect council's intended framework of permitting short term rentals within the coastal zone while prohibiting them outside the coastal zone.

1382
02:32:02,660 --> 02:32:13,380
Accordingly, I recommend restoring the admitted sentence, this prohibition shall not apply to short-term rentals located within the coastal zone.

1383
02:32:14,980 --> 02:32:24,020
Under Government Code Section 36934, corrections of topographical or clerical errors are not considered alterations requiring another reading.

1384
02:32:24,020 --> 02:32:24,080
Any

1385
02:32:31,340 --> 02:32:33,440
questions on those two things?

1386
02:32:34,240 --> 02:32:35,220
Yes, Mr. Mayor.

1387
02:32:35,880 --> 02:32:36,800
Go ahead, Councillor M�jaxon.

1388
02:32:37,540 --> 02:32:40,120
Thank you. I'd like to push back a little bit, Mr. City Attorney.

1389
02:32:40,860 --> 02:32:48,780
The corner case ruled that we, the city did not go through the proper process.

1390
02:32:49,180 --> 02:32:50,920
It was a process issue.

1391
02:32:52,160 --> 02:32:58,040
That's what they pushed back on, said we did not go through the Coastal Commission to seek

1392
02:32:58,040 --> 02:33:04,740
and unauthorized approved CDP, and therefore we cannot enforce our ordinance, full stop.

1393
02:33:05,340 --> 02:33:13,960
The city then said, okay, we are going to have unlimited, unhosted STBRs in the coastal

1394
02:33:13,960 --> 02:33:14,300
zone.

1395
02:33:14,640 --> 02:33:15,580
That's not what the court said.

1396
02:33:16,320 --> 02:33:22,340
So I don't know how you can say that SQL doesn't apply, because the standard is no possible

1397
02:33:22,340 --> 02:33:27,200
environmental impact from allowing short-term rentals throughout the residential neighborhood.

1398
02:33:27,200 --> 02:33:34,320
And I can go through my laundry list of issues again, but I don't see how any lawyer could say and if we are sued

1399
02:33:34,320 --> 02:33:39,460
I hope that you're going to do this pro bono and I want to see that lethal opinion that you're going to say

1400
02:33:39,460 --> 02:33:44,300
There's no possible environmental impact from allowing short-term rentals to residential neighborhoods

1401
02:33:44,300 --> 02:33:50,440
I'm not that's not I'm not saying that that's not what I'm saying what I'm saying is that legal standard

1402
02:33:50,440 --> 02:33:55,680
that's Mr. City if I could. The staff report says that there's no possible

1403
02:33:55,680 --> 02:34:00,620
environmental impact. That's what the staff report says. That's the

1404
02:34:00,620 --> 02:34:05,680
sequel standard that the city is relying on. That's what's in the staff report

1405
02:34:05,680 --> 02:34:06,740
unless I misread it.

1406
02:34:09,140 --> 02:34:13,400
I am not I'm not disputing I'm not to make a

1407
02:34:13,400 --> 02:34:17,420
categorical statement that sequel doesn't it does not apply you're correct that is

1408
02:34:17,420 --> 02:34:18,880
is not, you can't say that.

1409
02:34:18,880 --> 02:34:21,020
Okay, well, but the staff report says,

1410
02:34:21,140 --> 02:34:23,700
sequel doesn't apply and that there's no possible

1411
02:34:23,700 --> 02:34:24,700
environmental impact.

1412
02:34:25,340 --> 02:34:30,200
So it either there is none that the staff report says

1413
02:34:30,200 --> 02:34:32,160
or there is a possible environmental impact.

1414
02:34:32,500 --> 02:34:34,860
And if there is, because I think it's pretty clear

1415
02:34:34,860 --> 02:34:37,600
that there is a possible environmental impact

1416
02:34:37,600 --> 02:34:39,540
based on all the things I outlined before,

1417
02:34:40,020 --> 02:34:43,400
then we have to conduct a sequel analysis.

1418
02:34:45,690 --> 02:34:48,210
And I want to see, you know, again, I don't think,

1419
02:34:48,210 --> 02:35:01,350
I don't know how we can rely on just the statement when we haven't seen the evidence and the legal analysis supporting the conclusion that there's no significant direct or indirect or cumulative environmental effects.

1420
02:35:02,530 --> 02:35:17,910
I believe that it says no significant impact and the ordinance, when I said before, what we're relying on, the ordinance itself does not because it's trying to get the code in compliance with the corner decision.

1421
02:35:17,910 --> 02:35:21,990
the corner condition only the corner can court case only talked about

1422
02:35:21,990 --> 02:35:26,330
process Mr. City of Dining what I'm going to correct then the process that the

1423
02:35:26,330 --> 02:35:30,530
city is doing is trying to make it in compliance with the corner decision so

1424
02:35:30,530 --> 02:35:34,990
that's all the ordinance is doing is not it's not it's not the court didn't say

1425
02:35:34,990 --> 02:35:43,130
hey city for most of each you have to permit unregulated un unlimited no

1426
02:35:43,130 --> 02:35:47,450
community character guardrails in place. The court didn't say that.

1427
02:35:51,130 --> 02:35:51,970
That is correct.

1428
02:35:52,270 --> 02:35:58,870
I'm not saying that, but if you want to, and I'll go to staff, I'm afraid from the staff report.

1429
02:35:58,990 --> 02:36:03,530
Ray, can you let Jason answer? Go. Go ahead. Hang on. This is important,

1430
02:36:03,750 --> 02:36:08,810
because I'm, and, and please, I don't mean to belabor this, but this is important.

1431
02:36:09,410 --> 02:36:13,810
Staff recommends that the City Council find that adoption of the proposed ordinance is exempt

1432
02:36:13,810 --> 02:36:21,630
from CEQA pursuant to CEQA guidelines section 15, 0, 6, 1, B, 3, common sense exception,

1433
02:36:22,270 --> 02:36:27,170
excuse me, exemption because it can be seen with certainty that there is no possibility

1434
02:36:27,170 --> 02:36:30,250
that the ordinance will have a significant effect on the environment.

1435
02:36:30,950 --> 02:36:34,850
And I don't know how you can make that statement based on all the things that we've heard this evening.

1436
02:36:38,280 --> 02:36:44,160
I put in hundreds of potential businesses in the residential zone will have no impact.

1437
02:36:50,580 --> 02:36:52,040
That's what the staff report says.

1438
02:37:01,060 --> 02:37:01,840
Mr. Mayor, what's going on?

1439
02:37:01,840 --> 02:37:05,540
I'm looking at the ordinance and the staff report says we've seen with certainty

1440
02:37:05,540 --> 02:37:09,840
that the ordinance would not have a significant effect on the environment.

1441
02:37:10,060 --> 02:37:12,840
That's what the ordinance section 6 says.

1442
02:37:13,280 --> 02:37:14,460
That's what I'm looking at.

1443
02:37:15,880 --> 02:37:20,960
Okay, so you said with all the things that we listed tonight about schools and trash and

1444
02:37:20,960 --> 02:37:27,240
parking and traffic and the turnover around a hundred businesses, hundreds of businesses,

1445
02:37:27,340 --> 02:37:29,440
there's no significant, is that what you're saying?

1446
02:37:29,600 --> 02:37:36,000
I believe, if you look at section 6 of the ordinance, it says, the ordinance primarily,

1447
02:37:36,200 --> 02:37:41,640
we organize and update existing municipal regulations, formalizes the post judgment status

1448
02:37:41,640 --> 02:37:46,440
of SDRs within the coastal zone, establishes administrative registration reporting requirements,

1449
02:37:46,800 --> 02:37:49,460
and does not authorize any specific development project.

1450
02:37:50,200 --> 02:37:55,940
That is the rationale that's listed under the ordinance for why they found that the ordinance is exempt

1451
02:37:55,940 --> 02:37:57,700
under the Common Sense Exemption.

1452
02:37:59,400 --> 02:37:59,620
Okay.

1453
02:37:59,720 --> 02:38:06,160
That does not say anything about there's no possibility, you know, no possibility, whatever.

1454
02:38:07,860 --> 02:38:10,660
The thing that you're implementing is the ordinance.

1455
02:38:11,340 --> 02:38:12,500
If you look at section six.

1456
02:38:12,720 --> 02:38:18,600
I like, I want to see the legal analysis of how this Common Sense exception,

1457
02:38:18,600 --> 02:38:25,160
this exemption applies to this, when we are considerably changing the community character.

1458
02:38:26,520 --> 02:38:35,180
And so I think we, you owe it, Mr. City Manager, Mr. City Attorney, you owe the community that, legal analysis, because you're banking on that.

1459
02:38:38,160 --> 02:38:44,620
Well, what we're banking on is the findings that we have under Section 6 of the ordinance, that's the rationale.

1460
02:38:44,620 --> 02:38:50,400
now. If you want a more detailed, we can flush that out. I mean, sure, we can do that,

1461
02:38:50,600 --> 02:38:54,520
but the rationale is listed on the ordinance. That's what you're, that's what you're implementing

1462
02:38:54,520 --> 02:38:59,200
tonight is the ordinance and the language and the sequeration of your legal analysis, based

1463
02:38:59,200 --> 02:39:05,700
on your firm's legal analysis, saying that there's, there's certainty that there's no possibility

1464
02:39:05,700 --> 02:39:14,560
the ordinance will have a significant, I don't think it says, well, staff report is

1465
02:39:14,560 --> 02:39:16,000
staff report wrong?

1466
02:39:19,320 --> 02:39:21,860
Is that not true then? I'm just trying to figure out where we are.

1467
02:39:22,420 --> 02:39:27,820
The staff report, if I'm letting me find out where it says here, it says significant.

1468
02:39:29,260 --> 02:39:36,920
And that have significant effect on the environment. Okay, so that's not no possibility.

1469
02:39:37,460 --> 02:39:43,660
It says. Okay, so you're you're you're missing words here, you know, no possibility ever.

1470
02:39:43,660 --> 02:39:48,500
No, I'm not going to make a category that you can, I can't make a categorical statement like that, no possibility.

1471
02:39:48,520 --> 02:39:57,860
No, but what I can say is based upon the analysis that was done and the people that looked on it, they felt comfortable saying that there's no significant.

1472
02:39:58,540 --> 02:40:03,600
That's what the statute says, no significant impact on the environment.

1473
02:40:04,000 --> 02:40:10,560
That's not never, no, I'm not saying that there was a category, you can't do that.

1474
02:40:10,560 --> 02:40:28,440
We cannot say category eight never ever ever. No. We're talking about is it is it a chance that this is going to have a significant impact the ordinance itself. So once again, based upon the corner decision, the ordinance itself does it have a secret impact in the

1475
02:40:28,440 --> 02:40:33,020
The corner decision, Mr. City Attorney, was about the process.

1476
02:40:33,360 --> 02:40:34,740
You keep going to the ordinance.

1477
02:40:34,740 --> 02:40:38,200
That's a whole reason why we're doing the ordinance in the first place.

1478
02:40:38,240 --> 02:40:43,680
I understand that, but you're saying they're based on everything you've heard and

1479
02:40:43,680 --> 02:40:48,500
understand about this ordinance, that there is no possibility of significant impact.

1480
02:40:50,560 --> 02:40:57,500
I'm well, there is no possibility for significant impact.

1481
02:40:57,600 --> 02:40:58,300
Is that what you're asking?

1482
02:40:58,300 --> 02:41:00,480
That's what your staff report says.

1483
02:41:01,100 --> 02:41:04,880
What's not my staff report, Mr. Mayor, can we move on?

1484
02:41:05,220 --> 02:41:06,860
You know, we're not.

1485
02:41:07,360 --> 02:41:12,080
These issues should have been brought up during the public hearing to spring this on the city

1486
02:41:12,080 --> 02:41:12,540
attorney.

1487
02:41:12,680 --> 02:41:18,060
Our community development director came down specifically stated upon my question that it

1488
02:41:18,060 --> 02:41:22,920
doesn't, if it, that it deals with, it only deals with land use, this doesn't deal with land

1489
02:41:22,920 --> 02:41:23,180
use.

1490
02:41:23,680 --> 02:41:24,360
That is not it.

1491
02:41:24,360 --> 02:41:25,060
It's over and done.

1492
02:41:25,060 --> 02:41:31,380
The council member can vote against this if he believes something different, he can vote against it.

1493
02:41:31,540 --> 02:41:43,420
There is inconsistency to the staff and if we believe that it's not significant, that supports the staff report that we covered fully in our public hearing, this is now a second hearing, a second reading.

1494
02:41:43,780 --> 02:41:48,460
I understand, there is inconsistency in the staff report.

1495
02:41:48,460 --> 02:41:51,860
I mean, so dwell on this for 15 minutes, getting nowhere?

1496
02:41:53,220 --> 02:41:56,560
You know, come on, can you draw the director clearly?

1497
02:41:57,020 --> 02:41:58,560
Clearly was clear about this.

1498
02:41:58,740 --> 02:41:59,320
Couldn't be clearer.

1499
02:42:00,920 --> 02:42:01,680
It's not land use.

1500
02:42:01,900 --> 02:42:02,260
Vipertem.

1501
02:42:02,740 --> 02:42:06,940
You know, the use of Sequa in short terminals

1502
02:42:06,940 --> 02:42:10,560
was decided in April in the Sastra case against San Ana

1503
02:42:10,560 --> 02:42:13,480
where they had banned short terminals in Frank Angel,

1504
02:42:14,280 --> 02:42:17,240
represented Sastra and he kicked San Ana in his ass

1505
02:42:17,240 --> 02:42:22,460
and basically the ban was withheld and now if you look at that case the case

1506
02:42:22,460 --> 02:42:27,340
says that any changes you make to short term rentals will require an

1507
02:42:27,340 --> 02:42:30,900
environmental impact report and that's a precedent set in case that case

1508
02:42:30,900 --> 02:42:36,180
SASTRA so if you want to talk about CEQA if we make restrictions and we meet with

1509
02:42:36,180 --> 02:42:39,120
the Planning Commission and residents in the Community and the School Board

1510
02:42:39,120 --> 02:42:43,380
after we get that done we'll probably have to do an environmental impact

1511
02:42:43,380 --> 02:42:47,040
report after that prior to going to the Coastal Commission.

1512
02:42:47,700 --> 02:42:52,460
So any changes we make to this plan will probably, that case says we're supposed to file

1513
02:42:52,460 --> 02:42:54,120
an environmental impact report.

1514
02:42:54,440 --> 02:42:58,760
So if you want to get into a CEQA discussion, we're in one already because we have to do

1515
02:42:58,760 --> 02:43:03,760
a CEQA for making any revisions to our short-term rental program.

1516
02:43:04,180 --> 02:43:08,740
I suggest you research the saster case where Frank Angel and Representative, we're familiar

1517
02:43:08,740 --> 02:43:09,180
with Frank.

1518
02:43:09,180 --> 02:43:12,040
We could probably call him and save some money and hire him instead.

1519
02:43:12,040 --> 02:43:13,060
Any

1520
02:43:16,130 --> 02:43:16,610
other comments?

1521
02:43:19,150 --> 02:43:27,590
No, I think it would be irresponsible for us to base such a significant

1522
02:43:27,590 --> 02:43:32,030
community character changing ordinance without any evidence.

1523
02:43:32,510 --> 02:43:36,350
Excuse me. I've got another comment, but I don't have any more questions.

1524
02:43:36,350 --> 02:43:41,630
I'd like to make a motion to approve staff recommendation on this item.

1525
02:43:43,970 --> 02:43:45,330
There's a motion, is there a second?

1526
02:43:46,870 --> 02:43:51,530
A motion is to adopt, yes, motion to adopt, to adopt the ordinance.

1527
02:43:51,530 --> 02:43:52,170
I'll second it.

1528
02:43:52,890 --> 02:43:55,670
We have a motion in a second, any conversation on the motion?

1529
02:43:56,650 --> 02:44:00,030
Yes, I've got a couple more comments here, if you don't mind, Mr. Mayor.

1530
02:44:00,830 --> 02:44:02,590
We'll go to Councilmember Frenchwell first.

1531
02:44:03,730 --> 02:44:04,110
Thank you.

1532
02:44:06,900 --> 02:44:11,120
You know, I don't support short-term rentals in our neighborhoods, I never have.

1533
02:44:11,120 --> 02:44:18,580
of, and this was a decision of adopting this ordinance, we were forced to do it.

1534
02:44:18,800 --> 02:44:19,640
We had to do it.

1535
02:44:20,080 --> 02:44:25,400
We came up with a compromise, a six-month compromise instead of waiting a year.

1536
02:44:26,360 --> 02:44:27,340
That's fast-track.

1537
02:44:29,340 --> 02:44:33,000
It's not going to be done any quicker than that if we try to implement it today.

1538
02:44:33,440 --> 02:44:38,320
In six months, we'll have data, we'll have data, we'll have reasoning to support caps,

1539
02:44:38,320 --> 02:44:41,920
to support the other things which then will become enforceable.

1540
02:44:45,140 --> 02:44:49,480
I think it's naive to think that we have a cost commission that thinks it can be done quicker,

1541
02:44:51,180 --> 02:44:53,360
but the history shows nothing's quick.

1542
02:44:54,220 --> 02:44:59,640
We've got a lot of reviews, we've got the planning commission that can meet, they can meet before our six month deadline.

1543
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,600
Because in six months it can come to us. And that's fast. That's good. We've got enforceable ways to do it. We can collect the data, and we can move ahead what's good for our community as a whole. Right now we have 65 active listings in any month. We don't have any data. We can, when we start registering properties, we can figure out more. What do we have? We do have whole homes versus primary. We can propose caps that will survive coastal

1544
02:45:29,600 --> 02:45:34,400
I mean, the whole reason we're in this jam is because the Coastal Commission has

1545
02:45:34,400 --> 02:45:37,740
forced us to allow short-term rentals in our neighborhoods.

1546
02:45:38,240 --> 02:45:39,340
That's why we have it.

1547
02:45:39,920 --> 02:45:44,700
So we're playing catch-up, and we have to do this because, you know, Coastal Commission

1548
02:45:44,700 --> 02:45:46,780
has come down on us with this.

1549
02:45:47,320 --> 02:45:49,960
So, you know, the spins really easy.

1550
02:45:50,640 --> 02:45:56,380
Writing rules that survive the court is something that we should take seriously,

1551
02:45:56,380 --> 02:45:59,820
Firstly, something we're doing, I support it.

1552
02:46:00,360 --> 02:46:06,300
We chose the responsible path, maintaining an ordinance, collect the data, come back with the

1553
02:46:06,300 --> 02:46:13,280
force of the limits, so I support adopting this ordinance, as we pass it at the last meeting.

1554
02:46:13,840 --> 02:46:14,180
Thank you.

1555
02:46:15,160 --> 02:46:15,680
Thank you.

1556
02:46:15,680 --> 02:46:16,540
Mr. Injection?

1557
02:46:19,980 --> 02:46:22,560
Yeah, I'm just going to push back slightly.

1558
02:46:24,180 --> 02:46:32,190
You can't say you're against short-term rentals and then pass the policy and that permits

1559
02:46:32,190 --> 02:46:35,470
unlimited, unguarded, unfettered STL.

1560
02:46:35,650 --> 02:46:36,450
You can't do that.

1561
02:46:36,970 --> 02:46:38,190
You either are or you aren't.

1562
02:46:38,290 --> 02:46:39,450
You can't struggle the line.

1563
02:46:40,890 --> 02:46:43,330
And you keep saying we had to do this.

1564
02:46:43,450 --> 02:46:44,990
We did not have to do this.

1565
02:46:45,470 --> 02:46:46,850
That's not what we had to do.

1566
02:46:47,390 --> 02:46:48,570
We have the time.

1567
02:46:48,570 --> 02:46:50,830
And if you don't believe the application process,

1568
02:46:51,290 --> 02:46:55,110
let me suggest you check out the Coastal Commission

1569
02:46:55,110 --> 02:46:58,190
report from last year that shows their application

1570
02:46:58,190 --> 02:46:59,910
processing time that was provided

1571
02:46:59,910 --> 02:47:01,630
to the community development director as well.

1572
02:47:01,870 --> 02:47:04,990
So you can say, keep saying it takes all of a year or whatnot.

1573
02:47:05,450 --> 02:47:07,110
If we had done what we should have done months ago,

1574
02:47:07,110 --> 02:47:09,590
we could have had an application approved by now.

1575
02:47:10,170 --> 02:47:12,830
So the court didn't say we have to do this.

1576
02:47:12,930 --> 02:47:14,210
You keep saying that, you're a force.

1577
02:47:14,570 --> 02:47:15,870
We did not have to do this.

1578
02:47:15,870 --> 02:47:21,590
You know, we don't need another study to know that STVRs take homes out of the long-term

1579
02:47:21,590 --> 02:47:22,170
housing inventory.

1580
02:47:22,370 --> 02:47:23,110
You don't need a study for that.

1581
02:47:23,390 --> 02:47:27,830
We don't need a study that says, turning residential properties into transient commercial

1582
02:47:27,830 --> 02:47:31,970
lodging affects neighborhoods, renters, schools, parking and community character.

1583
02:47:32,270 --> 02:47:33,110
You don't need a study for that.

1584
02:47:33,790 --> 02:47:39,290
And we certainly don't need a study to recognize it backward looking policy when we see it.

1585
02:47:39,370 --> 02:47:40,470
I mean, this is ridiculous.

1586
02:47:40,470 --> 02:47:47,930
At a time when communities across California are struggling to preserve housing and to keep residents in their neighborhoods,

1587
02:47:48,350 --> 02:47:54,970
we're going to expand STPRs without any reasonable safeguards that moves us in exactly the wrong direction.

1588
02:47:55,910 --> 02:48:00,050
We jam this thing through for the benefit of property managers, investors, second and third homeowners,

1589
02:48:00,770 --> 02:48:02,090
many of whom don't even live here.

1590
02:48:02,850 --> 02:48:08,510
Neighbors, families, hotels, and our long-term residents were left out of the conversation and given zero protections.

1591
02:48:09,450 --> 02:48:12,410
a limited short-term rentals in every neighborhood,

1592
02:48:13,130 --> 02:48:15,090
that's not fear-mongering, it's fact.

1593
02:48:16,930 --> 02:48:20,610
And for those who don't think this is having an impact now,

1594
02:48:20,790 --> 02:48:23,010
I mentioned Manhattan Beach, and I think that should be a part

1595
02:48:23,010 --> 02:48:25,510
of your future report, Mr. City Manager,

1596
02:48:25,970 --> 02:48:27,570
I received a couple of notices.

1597
02:48:28,790 --> 02:48:30,750
My wife and I were trying to buy a house for a while

1598
02:48:30,750 --> 02:48:33,210
and kept encountering people in businesses buying these properties

1599
02:48:33,210 --> 02:48:36,190
to use their bean bees, which priced people

1600
02:48:36,190 --> 02:48:40,310
out of the already extremely limited inventory and essentially turning the neighborhood into

1601
02:48:40,310 --> 02:48:41,450
a bunch of poorly run hotels.

1602
02:48:43,050 --> 02:48:45,370
I just saw your post about short-term rentals.

1603
02:48:45,550 --> 02:48:46,730
I ran the next door too.

1604
02:48:47,390 --> 02:48:51,410
My landlord recently scheduled what they called an inspection, instead of human walk through

1605
02:48:51,410 --> 02:48:54,970
the property, discussing buying it and turning it into a short-term rental.

1606
02:48:55,510 --> 02:48:58,330
When they saw me one said, oh, we probably shouldn't talk about this.

1607
02:48:58,910 --> 02:49:03,570
It all makes perfect sense, as if paying thousands of dollars a month for less than four-rented

1608
02:49:03,570 --> 02:49:05,210
square feet isn't enough.

1609
02:49:05,210 --> 02:49:11,390
So, the impact is real, you don't need studies to tell you what you already know.

1610
02:49:12,110 --> 02:49:18,430
And we can be collecting TOT right now, we've got the wheels in motion to do just that,

1611
02:49:18,770 --> 02:49:29,090
and to push this thing, push this ridiculous ordinance forward is backward looking policy-making

1612
02:49:29,090 --> 02:49:32,590
as we had to speak of that mention a few minutes ago.

1613
02:49:32,590 --> 02:49:36,890
Well, excuse me, a quick question from staff.

1614
02:49:37,310 --> 02:49:42,090
If we don't pass the ordinance to change the ordinance, we can't collect the TOT, is that correct?

1615
02:49:42,610 --> 02:49:43,750
Yes, sir.

1616
02:49:44,070 --> 02:49:44,230
Yep.

1617
02:49:47,370 --> 02:49:50,710
We need to change the ordinance to collect the TOT tax.

1618
02:49:53,240 --> 02:50:00,520
Councillor O'Reilly, probably, again, the least risk would be if it were to pass the parts

1619
02:50:00,520 --> 02:50:06,420
changing the ordinance, the parts that take away the prohibition, the parts that say that

1620
02:50:06,420 --> 02:50:13,860
are now allowed and that's not a comment either way on whether to begin discussion of further rules

1621
02:50:13,860 --> 02:50:21,340
or regulations. But the part about withdrawing the prohibition and speaking to allowing them

1622
02:50:22,160 --> 02:50:27,540
lowers the risk of the city in enforcing TOT. So we needed to, as an enforcement mechanism,

1623
02:50:27,800 --> 02:50:33,760
to collect the current money and possibly the the arrears, is that correct? That would be most

1624
02:50:33,760 --> 02:50:36,840
to help for you. So the arrears are $4 million roughly.

1625
02:50:38,120 --> 02:50:39,600
That's one of the estimates yes.

1626
02:50:40,020 --> 02:50:43,440
And we're losing $4,000 a day if we don't take action tonight.

1627
02:50:44,180 --> 02:50:45,520
I do not have that calculation.

1628
02:50:46,260 --> 02:50:48,540
Well, it's $1 million divided by $365.

1629
02:50:48,800 --> 02:50:51,100
So that's the kind I want to law school to avoid math.

1630
02:50:53,080 --> 02:50:56,340
Well, I guess we need to take action sooner or not later.

1631
02:50:56,920 --> 02:51:01,280
We're short of revenue. We have a budget deficit we need to move this thing forward.

1632
02:51:01,280 --> 02:51:03,560
So, next is a call to question.

1633
02:51:05,720 --> 02:51:11,620
I'm just clarifying that your motion takes into Jason's comments about the clerical

1634
02:51:11,620 --> 02:51:12,420
error as well.

1635
02:51:12,680 --> 02:51:13,080
That's correct.

1636
02:51:13,360 --> 02:51:13,860
I'm not sure.

1637
02:51:13,980 --> 02:51:17,760
I'm in that motion to include Jason's comment about the clerical error.

1638
02:51:18,360 --> 02:51:18,680
Okay.

1639
02:51:18,780 --> 02:51:19,480
Give a second to that.

1640
02:51:20,360 --> 02:51:21,040
Thank you.

1641
02:51:21,140 --> 02:51:21,700
Second originally.

1642
02:51:22,040 --> 02:51:22,240
All right.

1643
02:51:22,440 --> 02:51:23,000
Yes, he did.

1644
02:51:23,320 --> 02:51:25,260
Or you go with the clerical error being?

1645
02:51:25,700 --> 02:51:26,020
Yes.

1646
02:51:26,620 --> 02:51:26,860
Okay.

1647
02:51:27,520 --> 02:51:28,400
As amended.

1648
02:51:28,760 --> 02:51:28,940
Yes.

1649
02:51:29,980 --> 02:51:30,540
Okay.

1650
02:51:33,000 --> 02:51:36,100
I would like to go last, actually, so please look at it.

1651
02:51:36,240 --> 02:51:37,200
Okay, I'd like to.

1652
02:51:38,160 --> 02:51:39,940
All this will not be supporting tonight.

1653
02:51:40,300 --> 02:51:43,400
I was on team, let's get to work right away.

1654
02:51:44,120 --> 02:51:49,760
And so at the end of the meeting, I will be putting a agenda item forward, which I hear that we should have plenty of support for.

1655
02:51:49,960 --> 02:51:57,340
I'll get into planning commission to meet on it as soon as possible about basic neighborhood protection guidelines.

1656
02:51:57,900 --> 02:52:04,500
a lot of the items that the staff brought for in the last meeting, and again what other coastal communities are doing up and down the state right now.

1657
02:52:05,020 --> 02:52:05,020
So,

1658
02:52:08,480 --> 02:52:08,920
that's my question.

1659
02:52:09,400 --> 02:52:09,880
Thank you.

1660
02:52:12,760 --> 02:52:14,040
You want to go last on?

1661
02:52:14,080 --> 02:52:15,020
Go ahead, please then.

1662
02:52:15,240 --> 02:52:16,720
Okay, you said you want to go last, okay.

1663
02:52:16,820 --> 02:52:27,410
I just want to counteract what the councilman continues to describe as unlimited short-term rails.

1664
02:52:27,830 --> 02:52:32,490
We did not pass unlimited short-term rails.

1665
02:52:32,490 --> 02:52:35,610
This does not pass unlimited short-term rentals.

1666
02:52:36,130 --> 02:52:40,190
This is court required in-term.

1667
02:52:41,010 --> 02:52:42,250
It's court required.

1668
02:52:42,730 --> 02:52:43,850
We have to do it by law.

1669
02:52:44,630 --> 02:52:51,450
If we don't do it, we'll have unregulated, unenforceable mayhem out there.

1670
02:52:52,410 --> 02:52:55,410
So, you know, that's what we passed.

1671
02:52:55,730 --> 02:52:59,150
We have a six-month path to permanent rules.

1672
02:53:00,010 --> 02:53:00,610
I don't know.

1673
02:53:00,790 --> 02:53:02,570
What could be more straightforward than that?

1674
02:53:02,570 --> 02:53:12,410
that's what we have. We can have hearings before that six month deadline and six months it can be back right here in front of this City Council to go ahead and

1675
02:53:12,410 --> 02:53:18,210
Submit our coastal development permit to the coastal commission. I don't know what could be ever faster than that.

1676
02:53:19,930 --> 02:53:20,970
Thank you

1677
02:53:23,930 --> 02:53:25,710
Well, so this evening

1678
02:53:27,230 --> 02:53:32,110
First as I stated earlier, I've been quite clear about short-term rentals. I do not

1679
02:53:32,570 --> 02:53:37,970
want them in our neighborhoods, but as it has been stated over and over and over again,

1680
02:53:38,530 --> 02:53:39,750
we lost a court case.

1681
02:53:40,410 --> 02:53:47,050
Now we can either just do anything, and then we will have unregulated short-term rentals

1682
02:53:47,050 --> 02:53:52,570
in our neighborhoods in the coastal zone without any guardrails as Councilmember Jackson has

1683
02:53:52,570 --> 02:53:53,410
said over and over again.

1684
02:53:54,710 --> 02:54:02,950
But by changing this ordinance, we can use the guard rails that we have in place now.

1685
02:54:03,530 --> 02:54:08,350
We have a set noise ordinance, we have complaint ordinance, we have, you have to register, you

1686
02:54:08,350 --> 02:54:11,730
have to get a business license, you have to have a phone number, emergency phone number

1687
02:54:11,730 --> 02:54:13,530
on the premises.

1688
02:54:13,870 --> 02:54:18,950
So if there is any sort of a problem, including noise, that you can call and make a complaint

1689
02:54:18,950 --> 02:54:24,730
or file some sort of complaint against the short-term rental.

1690
02:54:25,230 --> 02:54:27,750
We have also in rules in place about, if you have,

1691
02:54:28,030 --> 02:54:31,230
if you get too many complaints that you can lose your ability

1692
02:54:31,230 --> 02:54:33,570
to rent short-term and so on and so forth.

1693
02:54:33,930 --> 02:54:35,050
Those are all in place already.

1694
02:54:36,070 --> 02:54:37,490
Already we have those things.

1695
02:54:37,810 --> 02:54:42,070
And so it's not unenforceable, it's not wild,

1696
02:54:42,270 --> 02:54:45,050
it's not the Wild West, it's not going to take over our neighborhoods

1697
02:54:45,050 --> 02:54:46,670
and deplete our housing stock.

1698
02:54:46,670 --> 02:54:51,230
Good Lord, to plead our housing stock, we're one of the most densest cities in Southern

1699
02:54:51,230 --> 02:54:51,830
California.

1700
02:54:52,330 --> 02:54:55,450
There is no shortage of housing stock in our most abeach.

1701
02:54:56,110 --> 02:54:59,290
Some of them are rents and some of them are owned by people who live in them.

1702
02:54:59,630 --> 02:55:05,130
Some of them are second homes that people want to rent on an occasion for vacation place

1703
02:55:05,130 --> 02:55:06,270
and make a extra money.

1704
02:55:06,610 --> 02:55:11,910
Maybe you're an elderly person who makes ends meet by renting out your beautiful home

1705
02:55:11,910 --> 02:55:13,370
that you've lived in for 50 years.

1706
02:55:14,250 --> 02:55:18,790
So, short term rentals are not always the batch of party.

1707
02:55:19,950 --> 02:55:21,910
That's the part of it that I object to.

1708
02:55:24,180 --> 02:55:25,640
So, since our last meeting,

1709
02:55:28,000 --> 02:55:31,300
it has been said in regards to short term rentals that

1710
02:55:31,300 --> 02:55:35,300
the city has been left wide open, anybody can do anything they want.

1711
02:55:35,580 --> 02:55:36,680
We have no guardrails.

1712
02:55:37,240 --> 02:55:38,960
We can expect mass evictions.

1713
02:55:39,640 --> 02:55:43,660
We can expect long-term families being evicted from this by SCRs.

1714
02:55:43,660 --> 02:55:48,980
school enrollment dropping because of STRs, our residential housing stock will be depleted

1715
02:55:48,980 --> 02:55:50,220
because of STRs.

1716
02:55:52,190 --> 02:55:57,330
If you're a sitting council member or a candidate and you have actual data to support these things,

1717
02:55:57,890 --> 02:56:03,510
you should share the data with council so that we can all look at it and come to a logical

1718
02:56:03,510 --> 02:56:05,010
decision together.

1719
02:56:06,250 --> 02:56:07,990
That's what leadership looks like.

1720
02:56:08,670 --> 02:56:12,330
Using phrases like profits over people, that isn't leadership.

1721
02:56:13,010 --> 02:56:15,650
That's actually politics over people.

1722
02:56:16,290 --> 02:56:18,870
I don't think it's right to make a campaign issue out of this.

1723
02:56:19,030 --> 02:56:20,630
This is so important to our city.

1724
02:56:21,550 --> 02:56:25,410
And those of us that sit up here, the five of us, have the weight of making a decision

1725
02:56:26,470 --> 02:56:31,310
about protecting our homes and our neighborhoods from short-term rentals.

1726
02:56:31,750 --> 02:56:35,990
I think the policy that we adopt is the best idea we can do.

1727
02:56:36,130 --> 02:56:37,790
This is the right thing for us to do.

1728
02:56:38,190 --> 02:56:43,030
I'm not doing it for money, I'm not doing it because I do short terminals, I'm not doing it for any of those reasons.

1729
02:56:44,010 --> 02:56:49,450
I'm doing it because I care about the city and about the neighborhood that I've lived in for 50 years in the coastal zone.

1730
02:56:50,310 --> 02:56:55,750
So I have, I'm invested in this myself, and I think that this is the right thing for us to do.

1731
02:56:56,990 --> 02:57:06,730
So if there is data to validate these claims, bring it to staff, bring it to city council, so that we can collect it with all the other data that we have.

1732
02:57:07,530 --> 02:57:11,990
And then together we can work on this and come up with the right idea in six months.

1733
02:57:12,450 --> 02:57:15,030
Now as to community engagement, I'm all for it.

1734
02:57:15,250 --> 02:57:16,350
I love community engagement.

1735
02:57:16,630 --> 02:57:20,530
I've encouraged many, many groups to form a committee.

1736
02:57:21,150 --> 02:57:26,910
Do it yourself if the city won't provide some sort of a subcommittee for you to work on.

1737
02:57:27,330 --> 02:57:31,410
Get together and make your own committee and have some meetings and do it together.

1738
02:57:31,930 --> 02:57:33,030
I encourage that.

1739
02:57:33,030 --> 02:57:37,250
I encourage public participation in all of our decisions.

1740
02:57:38,070 --> 02:57:42,910
So from now until the next six months, there's plenty of time to start doing that.

1741
02:57:43,050 --> 02:57:44,850
Let's get that information together.

1742
02:57:45,210 --> 02:57:47,390
If you have information, bring it to us, please.

1743
02:57:48,050 --> 02:57:48,850
Gather it together.

1744
02:57:49,030 --> 02:57:51,470
If you don't have it, get it, and bring it to us.

1745
02:57:52,270 --> 02:57:57,610
Participate because at the end of the six months, we will begin public participation.

1746
02:57:57,890 --> 02:57:59,090
We will have commission meetings.

1747
02:57:59,330 --> 02:58:01,610
We'll have, we'll take it to the public works, or the, excuse me.

1748
02:58:01,610 --> 02:58:06,730
The Planning Commission will have meetings here and we will engage everyone, we'll have

1749
02:58:06,730 --> 02:58:07,850
an opportunity to speak.

1750
02:58:08,770 --> 02:58:14,370
Once we have some data, I think it's something that I can't believe people skip over this.

1751
02:58:15,070 --> 02:58:19,270
All of these new regulations that people are suggesting that we must, we have to have this

1752
02:58:19,270 --> 02:58:25,130
and we have to have it right away, we can't do it, we can't do it without coastal approval.

1753
02:58:25,830 --> 02:58:31,070
And coastal commission, in spite of what coastal commissioner Jackson says, well Jackson

1754
02:58:31,070 --> 02:58:32,250
It says 180 days.

1755
02:58:32,950 --> 02:58:33,790
Well, let me see now.

1756
02:58:35,150 --> 02:58:36,690
180 days is six months.

1757
02:58:37,870 --> 02:58:39,590
So, let's get started on it.

1758
02:58:40,090 --> 02:58:41,990
And in six months, when we have data,

1759
02:58:42,630 --> 02:58:43,870
we can go to the Coastal Commission.

1760
02:58:44,450 --> 02:58:46,550
And then we'll see if we can get a Coastal approval

1761
02:58:46,550 --> 02:58:48,830
in another 180 days.

1762
02:58:49,310 --> 02:58:50,090
Let's make that happen.

1763
02:58:50,950 --> 02:58:52,490
It's not going to happen until we have data.

1764
02:58:52,950 --> 02:58:53,990
I think the Coastal Commission,

1765
02:58:53,990 --> 02:58:56,550
it's my understanding that the Coastal Commission

1766
02:58:56,550 --> 02:58:58,910
looks at each individual case separately.

1767
02:58:58,910 --> 02:59:01,810
So, we can't really point to Manhattan Beach.

1768
02:59:02,490 --> 02:59:04,850
We can't really point to insinues or any other place.

1769
02:59:05,110 --> 02:59:09,590
Bomb Springs or Las Vegas or New Orleans, all of those other places have nothing to

1770
02:59:09,590 --> 02:59:10,590
do with her most of Beach.

1771
02:59:11,390 --> 02:59:17,190
The Coastal Commission will look at our rules that we want to imply, and then they will

1772
02:59:17,190 --> 02:59:19,870
look at our data for our reasons for having them.

1773
02:59:20,230 --> 02:59:25,850
They may accept those rules if we have data that is pertinent to her most of Beach, not

1774
02:59:25,850 --> 02:59:27,290
a comparison to Manhattan.

1775
02:59:28,550 --> 02:59:36,210
So, we need that data, let's take six months to get it, and let's begin a community engagement

1776
02:59:36,210 --> 02:59:39,630
at the end of that six months when we have something that we can work with.

1777
02:59:40,130 --> 02:59:40,870
Let's work together.

1778
02:59:41,590 --> 02:59:45,930
So, candidate, councilman, whatever it is, let's bring the data forward.

1779
02:59:46,050 --> 02:59:49,670
If you have something like that, please bring it to us, and I think that's what leadership

1780
02:59:49,670 --> 02:59:50,290
looks like.

1781
02:59:50,710 --> 02:59:50,970
Thank you.

1782
02:59:55,120 --> 02:59:55,840
Madam Chief Clerk,

1783
02:59:57,850 --> 02:59:59,970
Mr. Mayor, I have a question.

1784
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:04,800
A couple of comments and then a couple of motions, please. Good.

1785
03:00:06,820 --> 03:00:29,980
And Mr. City Attorney, I think it's important that you state clearly that we do not have to do this. You know, mayor pro council member Samen and council member Francois saying we have to pass this ordinance. And this ordinance, in effect, is providing unlimited short

1786
03:00:29,980 --> 03:00:35,240
term rental opportunities. So you can't say I'm against short term rentals and then say but I agree

1787
03:00:35,240 --> 03:00:42,680
with this. And the reality of the coastal commission is that cities, you're right. One

1788
03:00:42,680 --> 03:00:51,500
size is not fit all. Cities can impose reasonable restrictions based on that city's needs. There's

1789
03:00:51,500 --> 03:00:57,280
nothing that says I need six months of that. I need 12 months of data. It's based on our needs. We know

1790
03:00:57,280 --> 03:01:04,240
that we don't need 4% of our housing inventory to be potential STVRs based on

1791
03:01:04,240 --> 03:01:07,280
the size of our city we know we are pretty darn dense we have other

1792
03:01:07,280 --> 03:01:13,740
challenges so to keep saying that oh where I'm not for STVRs but I got to do

1793
03:01:13,740 --> 03:01:18,460
this because because the court said it's simply not true and there are no

1794
03:01:18,460 --> 03:01:21,680
guardrails you can say that there are but there are not and I gave I provided

1795
03:01:21,680 --> 03:01:25,560
actual evidence from folks who said you know they're probably gonna be kicked out

1796
03:01:25,560 --> 03:01:32,540
Again, look at what's happening down in Manhattan Beach, but I'd like to possibly amend

1797
03:01:33,340 --> 03:01:36,500
some amendments to this ordinance.

1798
03:01:38,160 --> 03:01:43,360
First I would move that no city council member, their spouse or immediate family member,

1799
03:01:43,540 --> 03:01:49,200
or any business entity owned or controlled by looking on behalf of any such person, be

1800
03:01:49,200 --> 03:01:57,980
eligible to apply for or receive an S.D.R. permit while the Council member is in office and for five years after leaving on office.

1801
03:02:02,690 --> 03:02:09,530
Mr. Mayor, that's out of order. We don't have that on our agenda tonight. It's either here to pass this ordinance or not. This is a second reading.

1802
03:02:09,650 --> 03:02:13,690
I mean, I don't think it's like a word. I can certainly call it a city attorney to this ordinance.

1803
03:02:14,290 --> 03:02:20,950
I'm looking at the city attorney to see if I mean, clearly that is criteria in any ordinance the city could pass.

1804
03:02:22,110 --> 03:02:25,850
But I'm looking at the City Attorney for guidance on this one.

1805
03:02:29,270 --> 03:02:31,450
So I believe I'm on my point of order.

1806
03:02:32,410 --> 03:02:35,710
He does have a point of order, so you need to do address the point of order under Robert

1807
03:02:35,710 --> 03:02:36,010
Rules.

1808
03:02:36,630 --> 03:02:40,410
And I will say that I want to hear from the City Attorney.

1809
03:02:40,410 --> 03:02:42,030
Are you going to overrule my point of order?

1810
03:02:42,510 --> 03:02:45,190
Okay, I'm going to watch your justification or overruling the point of order.

1811
03:02:45,250 --> 03:02:49,590
Because what Councilmember Jackson said is very clearly anything could be in an order.

1812
03:02:49,590 --> 03:02:51,910
So it's not on our agenda tonight.

1813
03:02:52,410 --> 03:02:58,870
It very clearly is any sort of guideline could be in an ordinance that we call on our agenda tonight.

1814
03:02:58,870 --> 03:03:01,310
It's a second reading of what we adopted.

1815
03:03:01,550 --> 03:03:04,490
We're in the order to be out of order.

1816
03:03:04,950 --> 03:03:06,210
So I'm back for a second reading.

1817
03:03:06,450 --> 03:03:08,990
So let's ask the city attorney on that point of order.

1818
03:03:12,120 --> 03:03:21,880
So as the presiding official, he can make a determination that I heard you and, you know, I, I don't agree with it.

1819
03:03:21,880 --> 03:03:23,420
or whatever, determine what to make.

1820
03:03:23,540 --> 03:03:25,860
That's his, as the mayor, that's what his thing is.

1821
03:03:25,900 --> 03:03:27,460
Oh, I know the mayor has the right to make that,

1822
03:03:27,560 --> 03:03:28,900
but I'm asking the city attorney,

1823
03:03:29,220 --> 03:03:31,240
whether I have a legitimate point of order.

1824
03:03:32,120 --> 03:03:33,180
I actually had a port of order,

1825
03:03:33,500 --> 03:03:35,340
Councilmember Francois, but again,

1826
03:03:35,440 --> 03:03:36,760
we're crafting ordinances right now.

1827
03:03:36,920 --> 03:03:38,320
What Councilmember Jackson brought up

1828
03:03:38,320 --> 03:03:40,840
was his proposal to amend the reading.

1829
03:03:41,000 --> 03:03:42,060
And if it's substantial enough,

1830
03:03:42,480 --> 03:03:44,720
the city attorney would advise us to come back

1831
03:03:44,720 --> 03:03:45,460
for a second reading.

1832
03:03:45,620 --> 03:03:46,580
If there's a course.

1833
03:03:47,340 --> 03:03:50,320
Is on the agenda is to second reading

1834
03:03:50,320 --> 03:03:55,420
to either adopt it or not adopt it. Now, if you want to not adopt it and go back to

1835
03:03:55,860 --> 03:04:00,080
presenting a new agenda item, you're free to do that. But we'd have to not adopt

1836
03:04:00,080 --> 03:04:03,540
this tonight. What's on the agenda back to the work of the second reading.

1837
03:04:04,620 --> 03:04:07,700
Yes, see if there's substantial changes, you could come back for a second reading.

1838
03:04:08,080 --> 03:04:11,860
You could, yes, but you would not adopt it. You would not adopt it?

1839
03:04:11,940 --> 03:04:15,240
Correct. Correct. You could adopt it with amendments. We would not adopt it tonight.

1840
03:04:15,300 --> 03:04:17,960
Tonight. The correct. You would not adopt it. That's why it's out of order.

1841
03:04:17,960 --> 03:04:26,940
So his his is a motion to amend the ordinance and if it's substantial enough it comes back for a second read. No, that's not that's not of order.

1842
03:04:27,060 --> 03:04:27,680
That's what we've done.

1843
03:04:27,820 --> 03:04:30,420
It's not a time since we've all been on the dice.

1844
03:04:31,280 --> 03:04:34,200
Is this a substitute motion? Can it be repeat please?

1845
03:04:35,100 --> 03:04:36,980
Ordnance. I don't know what's on the table.

1846
03:04:37,280 --> 03:04:40,940
I that was my question though whether this is a substitute motion.

1847
03:04:41,040 --> 03:04:43,800
I viewed as a substitute motion friendly amendments because that would then have to do.

1848
03:04:43,800 --> 03:04:49,760
He powers it as an amendment, so he needs to restate the motion because there is no motion on the floor.

1849
03:04:49,960 --> 03:04:51,300
There's the previous motion.

1850
03:04:51,700 --> 03:04:53,020
I move is a motion.

1851
03:04:53,240 --> 03:04:58,860
I move that no sitting council member, there's fouls, an immediate family member,

1852
03:04:59,040 --> 03:05:04,200
any business entity owned or controlled by or booking on behalf of any such person,

1853
03:05:04,800 --> 03:05:10,740
be eligible to apply for or receive an STR permit while the council member is in office

1854
03:05:10,740 --> 03:05:13,060
and for five years after leaving office.

1855
03:05:14,460 --> 03:05:22,620
question of our attorney. That's a ban on short-term rentals. So just something to think about.

1856
03:05:22,640 --> 03:05:25,660
For those that are advocating and voting on short-term rentals.

1857
03:05:25,760 --> 03:05:29,100
I'm just talking about the law. You might learn it. Let's get from here from the attorney.

1858
03:05:29,260 --> 03:05:30,840
I asked a question. I'm waiting for the answer.

1859
03:05:31,300 --> 03:05:37,260
Okay. Could you respect your question again? So I make sure that the question is that he's proposing a ban on short-term rentals.

1860
03:05:37,360 --> 03:05:40,800
Do you think that's good advisement that we should put a ban on short-term rentals?

1861
03:05:41,740 --> 03:05:49,160
Well, I was going to, I need to respond to everyone I think, but my answer would be no based upon the corner decision.

1862
03:05:50,680 --> 03:05:53,780
Councilor Jackson, I think you asked the question.

1863
03:05:53,780 --> 03:06:01,060
You'd like to hear from me to respond to some of the questions that they had mentioned about the city was forced to do this.

1864
03:06:02,200 --> 03:06:07,260
The corner judgment created this present situation by determining the city could not enforce

1865
03:06:07,260 --> 03:06:11,520
is existing short-term rental prohibition within the coastal zone because that restriction

1866
03:06:11,520 --> 03:06:15,200
had not received the required coastal commission approval.

1867
03:06:16,180 --> 03:06:21,160
As a result, short-term rentals may presently operate within the coastal zone regardless

1868
03:06:21,160 --> 03:06:24,480
of whether council adopts the ordinance tonight or not.

1869
03:06:25,760 --> 03:06:30,460
So to answer your question directly, the city is not legally required by the judgment to adopt

1870
03:06:30,460 --> 03:06:31,620
this particular ordinance.

1871
03:06:31,620 --> 03:06:50,100
However, without this ordinance, the code, that's the municipal code, would continue to contain provisions that do not accurately affect the post-corner legal landscape, and the city would not have the new registration, business license, safety, law of that stuff, reporting framework proposed for a coastal zone short-term rentals.

1872
03:06:51,080 --> 03:06:51,520
So,

1873
03:06:54,000 --> 03:06:56,240
I hope that answers your question, you're correct.

1874
03:06:56,420 --> 03:07:01,760
The city was not forced to do that, but if you don't do it, we're not in compliance with it.

1875
03:07:01,760 --> 03:07:06,280
We haven't done it for the last six months, so there's no urgency to do it.

1876
03:07:06,280 --> 03:07:06,440
Correct.

1877
03:07:07,680 --> 03:07:12,120
You're asking my legal opinion, you're asking my legal opinion, the city was not, I'm concurring

1878
03:07:12,120 --> 03:07:18,540
with you, the city was not forced to do this, but if you don't do it, you're not going to

1879
03:07:18,540 --> 03:07:22,820
I'd be able to do some of the things that you want to do in this post-corner.

1880
03:07:23,260 --> 03:07:24,420
We can still collect TOT.

1881
03:07:27,480 --> 03:07:30,640
That question was asked and answered, and it's no, we can't.

1882
03:07:31,860 --> 03:07:34,060
Mr. Mayor, I guess I'll try to help Councilman.

1883
03:07:34,060 --> 03:07:35,220
But wait, I want to close up again.

1884
03:07:36,260 --> 03:07:43,260
Are we able to effectively collect back a TOT and current TOT if we do not change our ordinance?

1885
03:07:46,740 --> 03:07:52,220
We would likely be at a higher risk of a lawsuit, so we're going to get an litigation again as if we don't do this right.

1886
03:07:52,220 --> 03:07:59,440
is that the answer? Yes. Okay, so let's follow our good legal advice and not amateur legal advice.

1887
03:08:00,500 --> 03:08:05,500
Well, okay, then first of all, I still have a motion on the floor, but since we're talking about

1888
03:08:05,500 --> 03:08:10,440
what in this ordinance requires those to pay back TOT?

1889
03:08:13,640 --> 03:08:16,600
Now we had, you know, we were told that we can

1890
03:08:16,600 --> 03:08:20,060
collect back TOT well before this ordinance discussion came up.

1891
03:08:26,250 --> 03:08:27,770
Excuse me, I'll clarify that we heard in

1892
03:08:27,770 --> 03:08:35,150
close session from our attorney. So once again, so you're now delving in the

1893
03:08:35,150 --> 03:08:40,330
stuff that's talked in close session. And so it's inappropriate for open session

1894
03:08:40,330 --> 03:08:44,790
today. We discussed this in close session. And so now we're

1895
03:08:44,790 --> 03:08:48,570
retreating on it. The discussion was publicly discussed that we can collect

1896
03:08:48,570 --> 03:08:55,810
TOT. We issued letters to two people that O TOT. So how is that not public?

1897
03:08:56,410 --> 03:08:56,990
committee.

1898
03:08:56,990 --> 03:08:58,870
I make a motion that we can reveal closed session.

1899
03:08:58,950 --> 03:09:01,590
Going down this row, we will pin up.

1900
03:09:02,690 --> 03:09:03,890
And I'm happy to see that.

1901
03:09:04,190 --> 03:09:05,730
Discussion is Опencloshing.

1902
03:09:06,310 --> 03:09:06,510
Descending.

1903
03:09:06,510 --> 03:09:06,550
Discussion is up.

1904
03:09:06,550 --> 03:09:06,750
Prop扫 down.

1905
03:09:06,910 --> 03:09:10,750
Make a motion to open close session discussions short term

1906
03:09:10,750 --> 03:09:11,690
rental and collections.

1907
03:09:12,130 --> 03:09:13,230
Was that a need for second?

1908
03:09:17,020 --> 03:09:17,280
Second.

1909
03:09:18,080 --> 03:09:22,760
That's a brown act violation to be talking about closed session

1910
03:09:23,310 --> 03:09:24,060
and openats that we should.

1911
03:09:24,060 --> 03:09:25,340
What was violated?

1912
03:09:25,540 --> 03:09:26,180
What did I violate

1913
03:09:26,180 --> 03:09:26,980
most of the city may.

1914
03:09:27,500 --> 03:09:35,080
I'm not saying that if you write in anything yet, but for us to continue with the discussion, we put ourself at risk and doing that.

1915
03:09:35,860 --> 03:09:41,840
We've issued letters to people that said, hey, you've rented over the last four years, you owe back TOT. How's that an issue?

1916
03:09:43,580 --> 03:09:52,940
That comment's not an issue, but you're putting us in a position where you may go down a road, you don't want to go down.

1917
03:09:52,940 --> 03:09:58,680
Councilmember Jackson that's all I said if we issue the letter that said you

1918
03:09:58,680 --> 03:10:03,720
always back TOT and obviously means that the city believes that number one

1919
03:10:03,720 --> 03:10:10,020
back TOT is owed and that number two we have a mechanism to collect that

1920
03:10:10,020 --> 03:10:13,920
otherwise we wouldn't go for the letter. The letters have not been issued yet.

1921
03:10:14,620 --> 03:10:20,900
We have a motion to be able to disclose any conversations we had in close

1922
03:10:20,900 --> 03:10:22,700
session regarding this topic, is that correct?

1923
03:10:23,280 --> 03:10:24,300
I'm going to try on that motion.

1924
03:10:25,500 --> 03:10:25,680
Okay.

1925
03:10:27,320 --> 03:10:32,800
Mr. Mayor, could we, I think that Councilmember Jackson has every right to make a substitute

1926
03:10:32,800 --> 03:10:33,380
motion.

1927
03:10:33,740 --> 03:10:37,580
My only objection was he couldn't make an amendment to passing this ordinance.

1928
03:10:37,760 --> 03:10:41,940
So if he wants to try and make some substitute motion, he can do that.

1929
03:10:42,560 --> 03:10:45,180
But, you know, that's where his avenue is.

1930
03:10:45,240 --> 03:10:48,020
Okay, Ray, can you please state your original substitute motion?

1931
03:10:48,020 --> 03:10:50,680
And I've got a couple as well.

1932
03:10:51,040 --> 03:10:52,320
So your

1933
03:10:55,200 --> 03:10:55,740
first one.

1934
03:10:56,660 --> 03:10:57,820
Put them all together if he wants.

1935
03:10:59,180 --> 03:11:00,800
No, I like to make them individually

1936
03:11:00,800 --> 03:11:03,300
so they're not all combingable.

1937
03:11:04,120 --> 03:11:04,800
Can you receive?

1938
03:11:04,960 --> 03:11:07,040
I move that no sitting council member,

1939
03:11:07,320 --> 03:11:09,420
there's FALSE, an immediate family member

1940
03:11:09,420 --> 03:11:12,360
or any business entity owned or controlled by,

1941
03:11:12,580 --> 03:11:14,440
or booking on behalf of any such person,

1942
03:11:14,980 --> 03:11:18,660
be eligible to apply for or receive an S.C.R. Perman

1943
03:11:18,660 --> 03:11:23,080
while the council member is in office and for five years after leaving office.

1944
03:11:24,040 --> 03:11:29,960
Should be easy, everyone says they're not going to do it, they've never done it, and they're not going to ever do it, so it should be pretty easy.

1945
03:11:30,640 --> 03:11:32,020
I'll second that councilman Jackson.

1946
03:11:36,260 --> 03:11:37,540
Mr. Mayor, thank you very much.

1947
03:11:38,980 --> 03:11:45,020
This substitute motion includes not adopting this ordinance tonight.

1948
03:11:46,200 --> 03:11:47,400
That's what this is for us.

1949
03:11:47,400 --> 03:11:52,100
So, I'm in favor of adopting this ordinance tonight.

1950
03:11:52,480 --> 03:11:57,280
I'm going to vote against this substitute motion and any other substitute motions,

1951
03:11:57,560 --> 03:12:03,340
because those substitute motions mean that this ordinance does not get adopted tonight.

1952
03:12:03,800 --> 03:12:04,460
Thank you.

1953
03:12:05,580 --> 03:12:06,460
Mr. Mayor.

1954
03:12:07,340 --> 03:12:09,540
Can we call the question please on this substitute motion?

1955
03:12:09,720 --> 03:12:09,820
Sure.

1956
03:12:10,320 --> 03:12:10,800
Mr. Clerk.

1957
03:12:11,360 --> 03:12:12,300
Council Member Seaman.

1958
03:12:13,080 --> 03:12:13,280
No.

1959
03:12:13,920 --> 03:12:14,860
Council Member Jackson.

1960
03:12:15,780 --> 03:12:16,160
Aye.

1961
03:12:16,700 --> 03:12:23,220
Mayor Dittoy. Councilmember Francois. No. Mayor Proto-Mkegen. No. Motion fails,

1962
03:12:23,480 --> 03:12:29,900
three or two. Go on to the next one. No, there's a motion on the floor. That goes back

1963
03:12:29,900 --> 03:12:35,660
to the original. Mr. Mayor, I have a series of others I'd like to present, please, and I can do

1964
03:12:35,660 --> 03:12:40,720
them in sequential order. I can do them one by one, whatever you prefer. The floor is yours.

1965
03:12:40,720 --> 03:12:49,080
Maybe you could just to consolidate them all together. I mean, I move that I move that no this is not field of busing

1966
03:12:49,080 --> 03:12:56,180
This is what you call policymaking. You should try to figure it out. I move that no SDR permit the issued or renewed unless the

1967
03:12:56,180 --> 03:13:05,820
Operator has a valid business license is registered to collect and remit transit occupancy tax and has paid all taxes, penalties and other amounts

1968
03:13:05,820 --> 03:13:13,280
legally owed to the city. So, this would cover those folks that won a registered but haven't paid their last four years at TOT.

1969
03:13:14,320 --> 03:13:19,840
If you're going to get a license, you need to pay your four years of TOT that you are operating.

1970
03:13:21,320 --> 03:13:27,420
This is a mechanism that would permit that. You want the rest or should I wait for this one to be voted on and move on?

1971
03:13:27,420 --> 03:13:32,240
Just one clarification. Is there anything in the current ordinance that says just that or?

1972
03:13:33,040 --> 03:13:41,160
There is not from my reading from my reading. There is not and also I recommend each motion that he brings. It's a substitute motion that you vote on that

1973
03:13:42,540 --> 03:13:49,280
You know yet a yay or nay however it goes. Yeah, not consolidating. They need to be clarified that we're not adopting this ordinance

1974
03:13:49,280 --> 03:13:55,080
Well, once again if you if you materially modify what is in the ordinance you are not

1975
03:13:55,080 --> 03:13:57,300
that adopting this ordinance tonight.

1976
03:13:57,840 --> 03:14:01,820
And we cannot adopt one of these substitute motions without changing the ordinance.

1977
03:14:02,280 --> 03:14:05,280
It depends on what the other substitute motions are and we haven't heard that.

1978
03:14:05,600 --> 03:14:11,820
So, well, this particular one, I don't believe that there's past taxes in it.

1979
03:14:12,160 --> 03:14:14,820
Well, let me care if the city manager.

1980
03:14:15,280 --> 03:14:24,360
No, and we haven't, we specifically left out issuance of formal paper permits or individual

1981
03:14:24,360 --> 03:14:30,540
permits for the reason that anything like that has the possibility of being denied and

1982
03:14:30,540 --> 03:14:33,160
that would run a foul of the coroner decision.

1983
03:14:34,600 --> 03:14:36,360
I'm sorry, we say what at the end?

1984
03:14:36,400 --> 03:14:37,100
Coroner decision.

1985
03:14:37,860 --> 03:14:43,220
So the answer is no, it's not in there because it's problematic and we were to adopt any

1986
03:14:43,220 --> 03:14:49,060
kind of rule that prohibits someone from offering a short-term rental right now without coastal

1987
03:14:49,060 --> 03:14:52,060
commission approval that would run a foul of the coroner decision.

1988
03:14:52,060 --> 03:14:59,980
So this substitute motion we could vote on separately the next meeting we wanted to wouldn't have anything to do.

1989
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:23,100
Do it with passing this one now. Correct. Okay. Well, we'd have to go into all our future restrictions that we're considering. Pass this one first, and then that can be discussed separately. It would be a separate thing. Anything that's new, not in the ordinance, that's, that's a separate, okay, something else. And you'd have to re-agentize that and do that at a later time. All right. So, as, as,

1990
03:15:25,540 --> 03:15:29,840
as stated now, you want to include this in this ordinance,

1991
03:15:29,840 --> 03:15:36,580
answer you want this to be a separate item. I would like a mechanism in place that before

1992
03:15:36,580 --> 03:15:43,140
we issue a permit to anybody, we go back and ensure that that person does not have any

1993
03:15:43,140 --> 03:15:49,800
back TOT that has not been remitted to the city. So this in essence helps us with what

1994
03:15:49,800 --> 03:15:53,880
we're trying to do through the letter piece saying, okay, we'll give you a permit but make

1995
03:15:53,880 --> 03:15:58,220
sure you pay your back TOT. That's legally owed to the city.

1996
03:15:59,440 --> 03:16:01,720
And is that your substitute motion?

1997
03:16:01,780 --> 03:16:02,500
That is my motion.

1998
03:16:06,640 --> 03:16:07,400
Is there a second?

1999
03:16:11,720 --> 03:16:12,920
Fails for a lack of second.

2000
03:16:13,980 --> 03:16:17,660
Okay, so we're going to allow people that owe back TOT to get a license.

2001
03:16:18,300 --> 03:16:19,140
No, not necessarily.

2002
03:16:19,400 --> 03:16:23,740
No, it is. There's no mechanism to stop that.

2003
03:16:23,980 --> 03:16:26,480
At our next meeting, we'll bring it up and talk about it again.

2004
03:16:26,480 --> 03:16:30,140
The items that aren't, there can be a future agenda item.

2005
03:16:30,380 --> 03:16:30,920
Future agenda item.

2006
03:16:31,320 --> 03:16:34,160
Future agenda item.

2007
03:16:35,000 --> 03:16:35,560
That's it.

2008
03:16:35,780 --> 03:16:36,500
Future agenda item.

2009
03:16:38,280 --> 03:16:38,760
Okay.

2010
03:16:41,440 --> 03:16:44,860
I move that every STR on the known inspection.

2011
03:16:45,160 --> 03:16:48,040
Are we calling the question on that one moving on?

2012
03:16:48,140 --> 03:16:48,540
What do we do?

2013
03:16:48,600 --> 03:16:48,720
No.

2014
03:16:49,200 --> 03:16:51,200
Oh, not a second.

2015
03:16:51,360 --> 03:16:51,740
Thank you.

2016
03:16:52,520 --> 03:16:56,080
Are we doing anything with regard to uniform safety and enforcement?

2017
03:16:56,080 --> 03:17:01,820
So I want to make sure that it's clear that every STR undergo an inspection before receiving

2018
03:17:01,820 --> 03:17:07,240
its initial permit and comply with all applicable building fire safety accessibility parking

2019
03:17:07,240 --> 03:17:08,560
and nuisance requirements.

2020
03:17:09,840 --> 03:17:15,380
Staff should clearly establish who does what, what the standards are, what accessibility

2021
03:17:15,380 --> 03:17:21,100
requirements apply, all violations will be corrected and enforced and reinspection fees

2022
03:17:21,600 --> 03:17:23,920
when corrections require more than two inspections.

2023
03:17:24,920 --> 03:17:29,840
Because right now I have no idea what we're doing to inspect these businesses that are going to be allowed in our neighborhoods.

2024
03:17:30,200 --> 03:17:34,040
That would be another future agenda item because it's not in this order.

2025
03:17:34,040 --> 03:17:34,220
Okay.

2026
03:17:35,780 --> 03:17:41,700
No, but it could be attached to that if we don't pass this ordinance tonight, it could be part of an ordinance.

2027
03:17:41,700 --> 03:17:42,780
Right, that's the overarching thing.

2028
03:17:43,620 --> 03:17:47,540
If all the new things, if they're not in the ordinance and you choose not to adopt this ordinance,

2029
03:17:47,540 --> 03:17:51,000
we can come back with this ordinance with all the framework and everything that you put,

2030
03:17:51,000 --> 03:17:52,500
that you would counsel would like to have a-

2031
03:17:52,500 --> 03:17:54,600
But meanwhile, if we pass this ordinance tonight,

2032
03:17:54,600 --> 03:17:56,300
we can get applications starting tomorrow.

2033
03:17:57,780 --> 03:17:59,260
But you can-

2034
03:17:59,260 --> 03:18:01,200
Whatever is in the ordinance currently, yes,

2035
03:18:01,320 --> 03:18:04,180
if you pass it, then everything, it's implemented.

2036
03:18:04,420 --> 03:18:06,980
Right, so you can't put the two-faced back in the two.

2037
03:18:07,180 --> 03:18:07,420
Sorry.

2038
03:18:08,160 --> 03:18:10,540
My next motion then is,

2039
03:18:12,020 --> 03:18:15,180
I move that the city use Pacifica's annual fee

2040
03:18:15,880 --> 03:18:18,880
of $1,700 plus inspection costs,

2041
03:18:20,520 --> 03:18:25,080
California Coastal City Benchmark and direct staff to conduct the required fee study.

2042
03:18:25,380 --> 03:18:29,900
For most of each's final fee should recover the city's reasonable cost for permitting,

2043
03:18:30,420 --> 03:18:34,000
inspections, administration, enforcement, and compliance monitoring.

2044
03:18:34,580 --> 03:18:39,620
Because right now I think our business fee is some phenomenal amount that doesn't come close

2045
03:18:39,900 --> 03:18:44,380
to capturing how much staff time is going to be involved in doing this.

2046
03:18:47,880 --> 03:18:53,500
No, that I will say is not in agenda as for tonight is the fee of this.

2047
03:18:53,860 --> 03:18:57,880
No, it's not. That's another future agenda.

2048
03:18:58,340 --> 03:19:01,640
This is the reason I made the point of order so we could move on with this.

2049
03:19:01,740 --> 03:19:05,320
We could just call the question on the motion in front of us and be done with it.

2050
03:19:05,400 --> 03:19:06,320
Yeah, I have the floor.

2051
03:19:06,700 --> 03:19:09,780
We could call the question on it right now and vote three or two to call the question.

2052
03:19:11,160 --> 03:19:12,540
This is, yeah, we're going to jam this.

2053
03:19:12,540 --> 03:19:17,140
In fact, I'm going to make a motion to call the question because this filibustering is just out of hand.

2054
03:19:17,160 --> 03:19:18,960
It's not filibustering, it's a legitimate motion.

2055
03:19:19,280 --> 03:19:20,120
Second, Council Member.

2056
03:19:20,780 --> 03:19:27,440
The motion in the second to call the question, any comments on this question?

2057
03:19:28,820 --> 03:19:29,420
Madam City Clerk.

2058
03:19:30,540 --> 03:19:31,440
Mayor Pro Temkegan.

2059
03:19:32,100 --> 03:19:32,280
Aye.

2060
03:19:32,640 --> 03:19:33,600
Council Member Francois.

2061
03:19:33,860 --> 03:19:34,220
Yes.

2062
03:19:34,660 --> 03:19:35,320
Mayor Dittoy.

2063
03:19:35,780 --> 03:19:36,020
No.

2064
03:19:36,480 --> 03:19:37,360
Council Member Jackson.

2065
03:19:38,280 --> 03:19:38,500
No.

2066
03:19:38,760 --> 03:19:39,500
Council Member Seaman.

2067
03:19:39,980 --> 03:19:40,200
Aye.

2068
03:19:40,200 --> 03:19:40,320
Aye.

2069
03:19:40,800 --> 03:19:42,120
Motion passes three to two.

2070
03:19:42,920 --> 03:19:44,760
All right, back to the original motion.

2071
03:19:45,340 --> 03:19:45,880
Madam City Clerk.

2072
03:19:46,600 --> 03:19:47,420
Mayor Dittoy.

2073
03:19:47,780 --> 03:19:47,920
No.

2074
03:19:48,440 --> 03:19:49,500
Council Member Seaman.

2075
03:19:50,360 --> 03:19:50,600
Yes.

2076
03:19:51,160 --> 03:19:52,280
Council Member Jackson.

2077
03:19:53,700 --> 03:19:55,280
This is what motion now?

2078
03:19:56,340 --> 03:19:57,780
To adopt the ordinance.

2079
03:19:58,460 --> 03:19:58,640
No.

2080
03:19:58,980 --> 03:20:01,460
I think we should clarify what it is exactly,

2081
03:20:01,520 --> 03:20:02,920
because it's not only the ordinance,

2082
03:20:02,920 --> 03:20:04,160
but it's as amended.

2083
03:20:04,760 --> 03:20:06,360
I think that really needs to be clear.

2084
03:20:07,040 --> 03:20:07,780
Yes, we'll see.

2085
03:20:07,780 --> 03:20:12,040
that was done when it was originally made half hour ago.

2086
03:20:12,400 --> 03:20:14,040
I just want to make sure it's clear.

2087
03:20:14,540 --> 03:20:16,600
Okay, so as we've been going, it was done properly

2088
03:20:16,600 --> 03:20:18,920
and we made it as amended by your changes.

2089
03:20:19,660 --> 03:20:21,780
So, city clerk, are we clear on that?

2090
03:20:22,280 --> 03:20:23,080
Yes, we are, thank you.

2091
03:20:23,460 --> 03:20:23,960
Go ahead then.

2092
03:20:25,580 --> 03:20:28,240
We had Mayor Dittoyneau, council member Samine, yes.

2093
03:20:28,420 --> 03:20:29,460
Council member Jackson, no.

2094
03:20:29,620 --> 03:20:30,440
Mayor Pro Temkegan.

2095
03:20:31,100 --> 03:20:31,260
Yes.

2096
03:20:31,800 --> 03:20:33,360
Council member Francois.

2097
03:20:33,360 --> 03:20:33,600
Yes.

2098
03:20:33,940 --> 03:20:35,180
Motion passes, three to two.

2099
03:20:35,180 --> 03:20:37,240
Okay, 15 F.

2100
03:20:57,880 --> 03:21:00,700
Do you have any questions, Councilor Jackson? I believe you pulled this one.

2101
03:21:03,500 --> 03:21:09,340
No, I'm just not sure I'm comfortable raising the limits. So I need to hear why we should,

2102
03:21:09,520 --> 03:21:18,760
because I'm not convinced based on recent spending, that was within the threshold that we weren't

2103
03:21:18,760 --> 03:21:24,740
aware of specifically the survey cost and the coastal CDP

2104
03:21:25,960 --> 03:21:27,320
consultant that were hired.

2105
03:21:30,420 --> 03:21:31,260
So nothing on?

2106
03:21:34,270 --> 03:21:36,150
Certainly Council Member Jackson, I don't, I don't

2107
03:21:36,150 --> 03:21:41,470
might answer to question as to how staff came in with the $50,000.

2108
03:21:44,740 --> 03:21:48,960
I would say just modernization or increasing density

2109
03:21:48,960 --> 03:21:57,140
city managers authority. So in the prior council meaning the it was mentioned that the city

2110
03:21:57,140 --> 03:22:03,660
managers authority is currently right now $30,000 and it was less updating June 2015. A lot

2111
03:22:03,660 --> 03:22:10,100
happened over that decade and prices have increased now and 2026 compared to 2015. I mean, just

2112
03:22:10,100 --> 03:22:16,020
recently in July, Kelly Bluebook released an article in July that stated that average new

2113
03:22:16,020 --> 03:22:21,860
car price is $50,000 in America. And when we look back to the last time a city ordinance was

2114
03:22:21,860 --> 03:22:27,940
updating June 2015, the average new vehicle price was $33,000, which was in line at the

2115
03:22:27,940 --> 03:22:36,920
$480,000 city manager threshold. And we also picked, what I did was, I did pull, let me

2116
03:22:36,920 --> 03:22:45,560
just, I did also pull the sample energy utility costs. And if we look at a $30,000, June

2117
03:22:45,560 --> 03:22:52,100
in 2015 price, and if we applied the federal US Bureau of Labor Statistics, the CPI index,

2118
03:22:52,480 --> 03:22:56,400
that would be roughly about $55,000 as of July, 2026.

2119
03:22:57,120 --> 03:23:05,480
And if we, if the city were to have a new CIP project, having building new construction

2120
03:23:05,480 --> 03:23:14,320
material, if we applied purchasing price index, that $30,000 from June 2015, if we were to

2121
03:23:14,320 --> 03:23:17,100
apply it now to July, that'll be roughly about 52,000.

2122
03:23:17,280 --> 03:23:20,520
So that proposed $50,000 city managers purchasing authority

2123
03:23:20,520 --> 03:23:24,200
is in line with the price increase.

2124
03:23:25,060 --> 03:23:29,240
And the other comment or the other comparison

2125
03:23:29,240 --> 03:23:31,200
that we did was we compared her most of each

2126
03:23:31,200 --> 03:23:33,160
versus other neighboring cities.

2127
03:23:33,420 --> 03:23:35,320
And her most of each compared to our neighboring cities,

2128
03:23:36,000 --> 03:23:38,360
we currently have the lowest purchasing authority.

2129
03:23:39,340 --> 03:23:42,340
The second lowest is Redondo Beach at 35,000.

2130
03:23:42,340 --> 03:23:44,900
And we're trying to bring it in line with El Sigundo,

2131
03:23:45,620 --> 03:23:49,100
because if I were to go from low to highest,

2132
03:23:49,340 --> 03:23:51,220
our most of beach would be the lowest up for $1,000.

2133
03:23:51,800 --> 03:23:54,160
Redondo Beach would be the second lowest up for $3,000.

2134
03:23:54,720 --> 03:23:56,400
El Sigundo is $50,000.

2135
03:23:56,820 --> 03:24:00,060
Manhattan Beach is $75,000, and Torrance is $250,000.

2136
03:24:00,760 --> 03:24:05,260
So El Sigundo has a population size about $17,000.

2137
03:24:05,780 --> 03:24:08,420
Our most of beach has a population size about $19,000,

2138
03:24:08,560 --> 03:24:11,420
and we're basically trying to kind of have it in line

2139
03:24:11,420 --> 03:24:14,400
I'm with in the middle of Elsie go though.

2140
03:24:14,860 --> 03:24:19,020
Now, Redana Beach, their purchasing authority is 35,000,

2141
03:24:19,140 --> 03:24:23,660
but they haven't updated their limit since 2015

2142
03:24:23,660 --> 03:24:28,500
for over a decade, so I speculate that if they were to

2143
03:24:31,540 --> 03:24:33,900
look at and review the purchasing ordinance

2144
03:24:33,900 --> 03:24:36,100
that they would bring it up and in line

2145
03:24:36,100 --> 03:24:37,860
to at least probably 50,000 like us.

2146
03:24:38,720 --> 03:24:41,700
So that was why staff had made that recommendation

2147
03:24:41,700 --> 03:24:49,440
to up the policy to 50,000, and this is something that I know that departments have wanted, and

2148
03:24:49,440 --> 03:24:55,440
well, if council approves this, this will be available for the city manager, no matter

2149
03:24:55,440 --> 03:24:56,700
who's sitting in the city manager's seat.

2150
03:24:59,260 --> 03:25:00,100
Thank you for that.

2151
03:25:00,260 --> 03:25:00,720
Any other questions?

2152
03:25:02,760 --> 03:25:04,200
Madam Speaker Clerk, public comment, please.

2153
03:25:06,060 --> 03:25:09,200
I did not receive any speakers, and I do not have any hands raised online.

2154
03:25:09,760 --> 03:25:15,790
one that's called for public comment close public comment bring it back to the

2155
03:25:15,790 --> 03:25:20,610
desk their motion or any of the discussion yeah

2156
03:25:23,390 --> 03:25:24,330
I've got a just quick

2157
03:25:24,330 --> 03:25:29,010
discussion now I will not be supporting this fifty thousand dollar we are not

2158
03:25:29,010 --> 03:25:34,670
else again now we're not men and beach we're done a beach is three times our size

2159
03:25:34,670 --> 03:25:38,350
and they're spending one is thirty five thousand dollars I think that is consistent

2160
03:25:38,350 --> 03:25:48,310
with our size and makes the most sense and I don't think we're talking about $50,000

2161
03:25:48,310 --> 03:25:52,190
in vehicle purchasing. I don't think any vehicle should be purchased without council

2162
03:25:52,190 --> 03:25:54,390
consideration. So I will not be supporting this.

2163
03:25:55,090 --> 03:25:55,390
Okay.

2164
03:25:59,060 --> 03:26:01,900
I'll move staff's recommendation. I'll second that.

2165
03:26:01,900 --> 03:26:01,980
Yes.

2166
03:26:02,720 --> 03:26:03,920
Any other conversation?

2167
03:26:05,240 --> 03:26:06,060
Madame C. Clerk.

2168
03:26:06,820 --> 03:26:07,640
Councilmember Jackson.

2169
03:26:08,580 --> 03:26:08,820
No.

2170
03:26:09,140 --> 03:26:10,280
Councilmember Francois.

2171
03:26:10,660 --> 03:26:10,880
Yes.

2172
03:26:11,320 --> 03:26:12,160
Councilmember Seaman.

2173
03:26:13,040 --> 03:26:13,220
Yes.

2174
03:26:14,140 --> 03:26:15,140
Mayor Prontan Keegan.

2175
03:26:15,660 --> 03:26:15,880
Yes.

2176
03:26:16,720 --> 03:26:17,460
Mayor Dittoy.

2177
03:26:17,740 --> 03:26:19,260
Motion passes for the one.

2178
03:26:19,740 --> 03:26:20,160
Thank you.

2179
03:26:20,380 --> 03:26:24,580
Now, bringing us to 16A, which was continued.

2180
03:26:25,240 --> 03:26:26,940
That we will open it up for public comment.

2181
03:26:27,620 --> 03:26:30,500
Item was continued to September 22, 2026.

2182
03:26:30,500 --> 03:26:33,420
is a consideration to ordinance amending her most of each

2183
03:26:33,420 --> 03:26:37,420
municipal code chapter 1.10 to modernize administrative

2184
03:26:37,420 --> 03:26:39,100
citation procedures.

2185
03:26:43,140 --> 03:26:44,880
Could you please open it for public comment?

2186
03:26:45,600 --> 03:26:48,780
I do not have any hands raised online and I did not receive any

2187
03:26:48,780 --> 03:26:53,400
speaker cards. All right, we will close public comment.

2188
03:26:54,740 --> 03:26:56,080
Director, do you have any comments?

2189
03:26:56,720 --> 03:27:02,480
May I request additional time to the first meeting in October.

2190
03:27:02,480 --> 03:27:13,020
that would be the 13th so we will continue this item to October 13th 2026 thank

2191
03:27:13,020 --> 03:27:21,040
you very much we need a motion for that motion motion to move to what's the

2192
03:27:21,040 --> 03:27:26,860
date over 13th I will second that when I was to declare broke off please council

2193
03:27:26,860 --> 03:27:27,480
Council Member Seaman.

2194
03:27:28,080 --> 03:27:28,220
Aye.

2195
03:27:28,760 --> 03:27:29,640
Mayor DeToy.

2196
03:27:29,920 --> 03:27:30,060
Aye.

2197
03:27:30,360 --> 03:27:31,340
Council Member François.

2198
03:27:31,720 --> 03:27:31,960
Yes.

2199
03:27:32,480 --> 03:27:33,340
Council Member Jackson.

2200
03:27:34,440 --> 03:27:34,680
Aye.

2201
03:27:35,100 --> 03:27:36,140
Mayor Pro Temkegan.

2202
03:27:36,460 --> 03:27:36,640
Aye.

2203
03:27:36,860 --> 03:27:38,040
Motion passes 5-0.

2204
03:27:38,440 --> 03:27:38,740
Perfect.

2205
03:27:38,980 --> 03:27:45,340
And we'll have you come back up, Alison, for a 17-A water professional service agreement for

2206
03:27:45,340 --> 03:27:48,240
uncle, environmental consulting services.

2207
03:27:48,480 --> 03:27:54,140
Thank you, rapid fire, two-minute presentation, four slides.

2208
03:27:54,140 --> 03:28:03,040
First slide, please. Second slide, please. Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Council Members, staff

2209
03:28:03,040 --> 03:28:10,580
is requesting the approval of three on-call professional services agreements for environmental

2210
03:28:10,580 --> 03:28:15,740
planning and technical studies. These services are essential for the city's compliance

2211
03:28:15,740 --> 03:28:22,700
with CEQA for both private development applications and city initiated planning efforts such as the

2212
03:28:22,700 --> 03:28:29,580
general plan or housing element updates, because this work requires specialized expertise.

2213
03:28:30,060 --> 03:28:33,020
We maintain a bench of pre-qualified consultants.

2214
03:28:33,020 --> 03:28:39,360
This allows us to issue task orders quickly, streamline project delivery and avoid starting

2215
03:28:39,360 --> 03:28:42,420
new procurement processes for every project.

2216
03:28:43,160 --> 03:28:48,920
Most environmental work for private development will be funded through applicant deposits,

2217
03:28:48,920 --> 03:28:54,860
environmental work for city initiated projects will be funded through the

2218
03:28:54,860 --> 03:29:00,900
city's existing budget process. Next slide please. The city issued a request

2219
03:29:00,900 --> 03:29:09,140
for qualifications. We received 21 submittals and so it took us a bit of time to

2220
03:29:09,140 --> 03:29:15,740
get through the mall after our evaluation and shortlist interviews staff

2221
03:29:15,740 --> 03:29:21,100
I recommend three firms, Aspen Environmental Group,

2222
03:29:21,820 --> 03:29:25,480
Michael Baker International and Ring Consultants,

2223
03:29:25,620 --> 03:29:29,480
all three demonstrated strong experience, technical capacity,

2224
03:29:29,940 --> 03:29:33,520
and they have all had successful prior experience

2225
03:29:33,520 --> 03:29:34,580
working with the city.

2226
03:29:34,900 --> 03:29:35,540
Next slide, please.

2227
03:29:36,600 --> 03:29:39,900
We are recommending that each firm receive an on-call agreement

2228
03:29:39,900 --> 03:29:43,340
with a not-too-exceed amount of $500,000

2229
03:29:43,340 --> 03:29:50,360
dollars for a three-year term ending June 2029 with the option for two one-year

2230
03:29:50,360 --> 03:29:56,320
extensions. Again, these are not guaranteed amounts. We're not requesting

2231
03:29:56,320 --> 03:29:59,620
Budget Authority tonight were requesting contract authority.

2232
03:30:00,080 --> 03:30:30,060
Task orders would be issued only if needed. This structure maintains flexibility ensures timely processing and of development applications and gives the city consistent access to high quality environmental expertise. Again, I recommend approval of these agreements. This concludes my presentation. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. Thank you. My question is what percentage of

2233
03:30:30,060 --> 03:30:34,180
of these professional service agreements

2234
03:30:34,180 --> 03:30:36,380
do you think will be paid for from developers

2235
03:30:36,380 --> 03:30:37,980
or proceed projects?

2236
03:30:39,100 --> 03:30:43,000
So for planning, we anticipate obviously

2237
03:30:43,000 --> 03:30:48,460
within this time frame work on the housing element update

2238
03:30:49,680 --> 03:30:53,360
which would likely have an environmental review.

2239
03:30:53,580 --> 03:30:58,120
If we, for example, proceed with regulations associated

2240
03:30:58,120 --> 03:31:06,820
related with land use and short-term vacation rentals that will be a city-sponsored effort that will require budget.

2241
03:31:07,480 --> 03:31:15,180
The vast majority of bread-and-butter cases will be applicant-funded.

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03:31:15,620 --> 03:31:17,400
Perfect. Any other questions for staff?

2243
03:31:17,780 --> 03:31:17,920
Nope.

2244
03:31:20,930 --> 03:31:22,530
All right. Seeing none, we'll open up for public comment.

2245
03:31:23,490 --> 03:31:24,350
Thank you for the report.

2246
03:31:25,970 --> 03:31:29,050
I do not have any hands raised online, and we do not receive speaker cards.

2247
03:31:36,110 --> 03:31:50,990
I'd like to make a recommendation to award a three-year contract to Aspen, Michael Baker, and Reichen, professional environmental planning services, and authorize city manager or his designate to extend the contract for up to additional two years.

2248
03:31:52,090 --> 03:31:52,770
Second.

2249
03:31:52,770 --> 03:31:59,250
and then the dollar amounts and the original time frames are all the same as

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03:31:59,250 --> 03:32:05,770
Woodson's staff are packed. Good with that? Yes. All right. Any conversations on the

2251
03:32:05,770 --> 03:32:09,850
motion? Seeing none, Madam City Clerk, we'll call vote please.

2252
03:32:10,250 --> 03:32:13,970
Council Member Francois? Yes. Mayor Dittoy? Aye.

2253
03:32:14,190 --> 03:32:19,030
Council Member Jackson? Aye. I look forward to that see-go review of our S-T-V-R

2254
03:32:20,410 --> 03:32:21,690
Mayor Pro Temkegan.

2255
03:32:22,310 --> 03:32:22,370
Hi.

2256
03:32:22,790 --> 03:32:23,610
Council Member Seaman.

2257
03:32:24,030 --> 03:32:24,190
Hi.

2258
03:32:24,690 --> 03:32:25,930
Motion passes, 5-0.

2259
03:32:26,550 --> 03:32:27,390
Thank you.

2260
03:32:27,710 --> 03:32:28,030
All right.

2261
03:32:28,210 --> 03:32:28,530
Cambria.

2262
03:32:29,950 --> 03:32:31,790
One year review of the clerk building.

2263
03:32:39,760 --> 03:32:40,380
Good evening.

2264
03:32:41,380 --> 03:32:43,200
I'm not going to be as quick as Allison was.

2265
03:32:43,520 --> 03:32:43,700
Sorry.

2266
03:32:45,140 --> 03:32:45,440
All right.

2267
03:32:46,880 --> 03:32:48,640
Good evening, Mayor and members of City Council.

2268
03:32:49,080 --> 03:32:54,240
Tonight I'm presenting the one year review of the clerk building following its reopening in August of 2025.

2269
03:32:54,240 --> 03:33:00,540
In March of 2025, Council approved the revised Clark Building Use Policy and Reservation

2270
03:33:00,540 --> 03:33:02,660
Rates to accompany the renovated facility.

2271
03:33:03,540 --> 03:33:07,600
Council also directed staff to return one year after the reopening with the review of

2272
03:33:07,600 --> 03:33:11,900
the building's usage, feedback from facility users and neighboring residents and the effectiveness

2273
03:33:11,900 --> 03:33:13,120
of policies and rates.

2274
03:33:14,000 --> 03:33:18,180
The purpose of tonight's presentation is to provide that first year snapshot and to discuss

2275
03:33:18,180 --> 03:33:20,840
any changes based on what we've experienced over the past year.

2276
03:33:21,880 --> 03:33:22,360
Next slide.

2277
03:33:24,330 --> 03:33:30,250
Looking at the first year as a whole, the Clark Building has 61 rentals and generated $29,732

2278
03:33:30,250 --> 03:33:34,630
in revenue. The building has experienced steady growth in rental since reopening and

2279
03:33:34,630 --> 03:33:38,570
the use has been fairly diverse. When we look at the month to month activity, there's

2280
03:33:38,570 --> 03:33:45,430
some variation. We started with three rentals in August of 2025. Activity increased throughout

2281
03:33:45,430 --> 03:33:50,990
the fall and winter reaching seven rentals in April of 2026. And eight rental days in May,

2282
03:33:50,990 --> 03:33:54,270
which represented the highest percentage of days used during the first year.

2283
03:33:55,010 --> 03:33:58,470
So while the building is not being rented every day, the data shows

2284
03:33:58,470 --> 03:34:02,210
consistent activity and importantly a broad range of community uses

2285
03:34:02,210 --> 03:34:05,090
rather than a reliance on one particular rental type.

2286
03:34:06,050 --> 03:34:10,790
Another important piece of this snapshot is that staff has received no reported

2287
03:34:10,790 --> 03:34:14,010
neighborhood complaints regarding the use or operation of the facility

2288
03:34:14,010 --> 03:34:17,910
during this first year. That is particularly relevant because

2289
03:34:17,910 --> 03:34:21,930
Council had specifically asked staff to return with feedback regarding the operation of

2290
03:34:21,930 --> 03:34:23,750
the building including hours in amplified sound.

2291
03:34:24,930 --> 03:34:25,330
Next slide.

2292
03:34:28,340 --> 03:34:32,360
When we look at who is actually using the Clark Building, non-profit community organizations

2293
03:34:32,360 --> 03:34:34,260
make up the largest portion of the rentals.

2294
03:34:34,920 --> 03:34:39,520
These include recurring meetings and events throughout the year including local philanthropic

2295
03:34:39,520 --> 03:34:42,400
organizations, community groups, and religious organizations.

2296
03:34:43,460 --> 03:34:48,460
The facility is also supporter of a number of civic and public uses, including city events,

2297
03:34:48,460 --> 03:34:53,800
voting centers, blood drives, public meetings, and other public events. Private rentals have

2298
03:34:53,800 --> 03:34:58,200
included birthdays, baby showers, weddings, retirement celebrations, celebrations of life

2299
03:34:58,200 --> 03:35:03,520
and cultural events. One of the things I think is worth highlighting is the flexibility

2300
03:35:03,520 --> 03:35:07,360
of the building. During this first year, the facility has been able to accommodate everything

2301
03:35:07,360 --> 03:35:13,340
from non-profit meetings to events for public services and private celebrations. For example,

2302
03:35:13,340 --> 03:35:18,660
The month of May included garden club plant sale, a friends of a library event, the L.A.

2303
03:35:18,780 --> 03:35:21,300
rugby club banquet and the LA County Voting Center.

2304
03:35:22,300 --> 03:35:25,600
So the building is functioning as intended as a flexible community facility.

2305
03:35:26,820 --> 03:35:27,580
Next slide.

2306
03:35:29,300 --> 03:35:34,300
The Parks and Recreation Department began an initiative in early 2026 to survey community

2307
03:35:34,300 --> 03:35:38,220
members and users for all of the recreation services and facilities we offer.

2308
03:35:38,220 --> 03:35:45,260
We distribute post rental surveys to facility users, and to date we have received four completed surveys for the clerk building.

2309
03:35:46,020 --> 03:35:50,180
All respondents rated their overall rental as far exceeds expectations.

2310
03:35:50,900 --> 03:35:55,880
While four responses is a relatively small sample size, the feedback we have received has been very consistent.

2311
03:35:56,720 --> 03:36:02,620
Users highlight the quality and versatility of the facility, amenities, parking, and healthfulness of the on-site staff.

2312
03:36:02,620 --> 03:36:07,600
One renter noted their comforts attendees enjoyed the space, and that the kitchen was particularly

2313
03:36:07,600 --> 03:36:08,080
helpful.

2314
03:36:08,720 --> 03:36:12,560
Another described the rental process as seamless, and said their guests had positive things

2315
03:36:12,560 --> 03:36:13,940
to say about the building and location.

2316
03:36:14,980 --> 03:36:18,840
We also received positive feedback about the allocation of the four parking spaces in front

2317
03:36:18,840 --> 03:36:20,620
of the building as part of the rental package.

2318
03:36:22,220 --> 03:36:26,560
So, from a customer service standpoint, the feedback indicates that both the facility itself

2319
03:36:26,560 --> 03:36:30,260
and the city's rental process are meeting or exceeding expectations.

2320
03:36:31,940 --> 03:36:35,520
Equally important for cancers of use, staff has not received any feedback or complaints

2321
03:36:35,520 --> 03:36:38,880
from neighboring residents regarding the use or operation of the crock building.

2322
03:36:39,260 --> 03:36:43,860
That includes no reported concerns related to events, operations, hours, or amplified

2323
03:36:43,860 --> 03:36:44,960
sound during the first year.

2324
03:36:46,000 --> 03:36:50,800
Based on that information, staff does not see a need to make any changes to the current operating

2325
03:36:50,800 --> 03:36:51,780
policy at this time.

2326
03:36:53,300 --> 03:36:54,060
Next slide.

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03:36:54,060 --> 03:36:55,020
From

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03:36:57,100 --> 03:37:04,040
a fiscal standpoint, the Clark Building generated $29,732.40 in collected revenue from

2329
03:37:04,040 --> 03:37:11,040
August 2025 through August 2026. 23,403 of that amount was collected through indirect costs,

2330
03:37:11,540 --> 03:37:18,620
while 6,329 was associated with direct costs. Indirect costs include the application fee, hourly rates,

2331
03:37:18,980 --> 03:37:24,680
projector, and screen use, and able-fights and permits. The direct costs include hourly staffing

2332
03:37:24,680 --> 03:37:26,420
as well as set up and tear down services.

2333
03:37:27,240 --> 03:37:30,940
This revenue is intended to account for the city's resources associated with providing

2334
03:37:30,940 --> 03:37:33,720
the facility, including staff time and city equipment.

2335
03:37:34,280 --> 03:37:39,040
It does not include the $500 refundable damage deposit that each rent or pays at the time

2336
03:37:39,040 --> 03:37:39,440
of booking.

2337
03:37:40,560 --> 03:37:47,780
Looking ahead, there's also $24,639.50 in anticipated revenue from reservations currently booked

2338
03:37:47,780 --> 03:37:49,660
after September 1st of 2026.

2339
03:37:50,700 --> 03:37:57,580
That consists of 29,945 in direct costs and 3694 direct costs.

2340
03:37:58,300 --> 03:38:02,000
We are entering the second year with a significant amount of revenue already associated with

2341
03:38:02,000 --> 03:38:06,440
future reservations, which is another indication that demand for the facility is continuing.

2342
03:38:07,360 --> 03:38:08,060
Next slide.

2343
03:38:10,410 --> 03:38:16,010
When we look at the upcoming reservations from September 2026 through May of 2027, we're

2344
03:38:16,010 --> 03:38:19,090
continuing to see the same general pattern we experienced during the first year.

2345
03:38:19,090 --> 03:38:26,250
29 rentals representing 46 rental days with nonprofit organizations continuing to be the largest book user group.

2346
03:38:26,790 --> 03:38:33,370
But again, the range of uses brought October is our busiest month currently, with eight rentals representing 18 rental days.

2347
03:38:33,870 --> 03:38:39,010
This is encouraging because it demonstrates that the demand is continuing beyond the initial reopening period,

2348
03:38:39,490 --> 03:38:44,530
and we're seeing both reoccurring organizations and new or one-time uses utilizing the facility.

2349
03:38:46,940 --> 03:38:47,760
Next slide,

2350
03:38:50,970 --> 03:38:54,230
staff has been actively promoting the Clark Building through a number of channels.

2351
03:38:54,810 --> 03:38:59,730
Current efforts include social media, digital marketing, promotional flyers with QR codes

2352
03:38:59,730 --> 03:39:04,750
at various city facilities, facility tours for interested renters, and a banner in front

2353
03:39:04,750 --> 03:39:08,690
of the Clark Building, as well as the Clark Building's listing on our Recreation Software

2354
03:39:08,690 --> 03:39:12,230
Rec U.S. with a streamlined digital application process.

2355
03:39:13,470 --> 03:39:18,270
Moving forward, staff plans to continue those efforts while adding some other targeted strategies.

2356
03:39:18,270 --> 03:39:23,110
opportunities. One opportunity is to host open houses during periods where there's

2357
03:39:23,110 --> 03:39:26,630
already significant activity in the area, such as during little league season or on

2358
03:39:26,630 --> 03:39:31,050
farmer's market days, allowing people who may be familiar with the building but not necessarily

2359
03:39:31,050 --> 03:39:36,670
aware that it's available for rent to see the space. We also plan to expand our digital

2360
03:39:36,670 --> 03:39:41,250
marketing, including the use of the city's digital monument sign once it is constructed,

2361
03:39:42,730 --> 03:39:47,150
out reaching to local organizations and incorporating the clerk building more broadly

2362
03:39:47,150 --> 03:39:49,130
into Parkland Recreation Marketing Initiatives.

2363
03:39:50,190 --> 03:39:50,810
Next slide.

2364
03:39:52,960 --> 03:39:55,220
In conclusion, staff believes the first year

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03:39:55,220 --> 03:39:57,100
of the Clark Building's operation has been successful.

2366
03:39:57,640 --> 03:39:59,400
Staff recommends continuing the current approach

2367
03:39:59,400 --> 03:40:01,420
and focusing our efforts on marketing and outreach

2368
03:40:01,420 --> 03:40:02,840
to increase awareness and utilization.

2369
03:40:04,180 --> 03:40:05,840
Thank you, and I'm happy to answer any questions.

2370
03:40:08,110 --> 03:40:08,650
Thank you.

2371
03:40:09,150 --> 03:40:12,780
Any questions from the panelists?

2372
03:40:13,040 --> 03:40:13,100
Yes.

2373
03:40:14,020 --> 03:40:14,220
Hello.

2374
03:40:14,540 --> 03:40:14,760
Hi, Rob.

2375
03:40:15,040 --> 03:40:15,860
Thank you for your report.

2376
03:40:17,100 --> 03:40:18,320
I was curious.

2377
03:40:18,740 --> 03:40:21,220
As I look through the report, I didn't see anything

2378
03:40:21,220 --> 03:40:27,980
about the rates that we were getting or the annual income that the building was producing

2379
03:40:29,100 --> 03:40:34,300
so many years ago when the last time it was open, I don't remember how long ago it was,

2380
03:40:34,400 --> 03:40:40,440
at least eight years I think. Do we have any of that information and you probably don't have it with you tonight,

2381
03:40:40,440 --> 03:40:42,840
but is there such information that we can compare this to?

2382
03:40:43,460 --> 03:40:46,400
The information does exist, so I'm happy to gather that for you.

2383
03:40:46,660 --> 03:40:50,840
Okay, I appreciate that. So maybe at some future date you can report that to us.

2384
03:40:50,840 --> 03:40:58,660
I think it's wonderful that the building is open, and it's working, and people seem to love it, and people are coming back, and using it, and all of that.

2385
03:40:58,880 --> 03:41:06,440
And mostly nonprofits are using it, which I think is a big plus for our community.

2386
03:41:07,820 --> 03:41:12,980
But I would like to kind of get an idea of how are we doing versus how we used to do.

2387
03:41:13,380 --> 03:41:16,300
So, if we could get that information to be great, thank you.

2388
03:41:19,790 --> 03:41:20,690
Any other questions?

2389
03:41:20,690 --> 03:41:23,950
It's open for public comment.

2390
03:41:27,290 --> 03:41:30,110
We do not receive any speaker cards and I do not have any hands raised.

2391
03:41:32,490 --> 03:41:34,050
One last call for public comment.

2392
03:41:35,110 --> 03:41:36,770
Close public comment and bring it back.

2393
03:41:37,010 --> 03:41:38,470
Mayor can I speak to this?

2394
03:41:38,690 --> 03:41:38,790
Yes.

2395
03:41:41,850 --> 03:41:47,030
Some other frustrations I'd like to talk about maybe we can make some changes to the rate

2396
03:41:47,030 --> 03:41:47,550
schedule.

2397
03:41:48,750 --> 03:41:51,830
I don't see it being rented by residents very much.

2398
03:41:51,830 --> 03:41:58,590
it's mostly rented by non-profits and residents aren't really renting it the way I would like and

2399
03:41:59,450 --> 03:42:05,470
I was wondering if any of the council might entertain changing the rates for the residents to

2400
03:42:05,470 --> 03:42:13,350
match that of her most sub based non-profit rate for a year and lower all the rates towards

2401
03:42:13,350 --> 03:42:20,550
that rate and also I'd like to eliminate the sound permit from all categories because any event

2402
03:42:20,550 --> 03:42:26,410
that goes there that needs to have a microphone as to pay $214 for a permit in a city facility.

2403
03:42:27,230 --> 03:42:30,790
And I don't think we make them pay that in any other building in the city.

2404
03:42:30,950 --> 03:42:38,730
And it seems to make no sense that we've charged them $214 to put a little boom back in or some kind of speaker system.

2405
03:42:39,010 --> 03:42:42,470
I've never heard of complaint in the year it's been open about sound.

2406
03:42:43,090 --> 03:42:49,010
And I think it's an overreach and unnecessary and I don't think we should have that.

2407
03:42:49,010 --> 03:42:54,710
that, and hopefully next year we'll show in a year we can see an uptick in residents

2408
03:42:54,710 --> 03:43:00,810
running it for birthday parties, anniversaries, baby showers, you know, some more resident-oriented

2409
03:43:00,810 --> 03:43:02,430
things, not just non-profit work.

2410
03:43:02,850 --> 03:43:08,310
And if it's really busy and competitive, we can make adjustments as we see fit.

2411
03:43:10,700 --> 03:43:17,020
Mr. City Attorney, is that are we able to, with the title of this agenda, to make those

2412
03:43:17,020 --> 03:43:17,240
changes?

2413
03:43:17,240 --> 03:43:18,140
I

2414
03:43:26,240 --> 03:43:28,680
think we can. I think it's broad enough to do that.

2415
03:43:29,240 --> 03:43:32,380
Okay. So I'll make that emotion.

2416
03:43:33,020 --> 03:43:34,460
We restate it one more time.

2417
03:43:36,880 --> 03:43:41,180
Motion is to change the resident um rates, that column,

2418
03:43:41,360 --> 03:43:44,540
and basically add that to the verbiage of the first column,

2419
03:43:44,660 --> 03:43:48,540
which is the hermosa redondo Manhattan nonprofit rates,

2420
03:43:48,540 --> 03:43:52,780
and just move resident into that column and eliminate

2421
03:43:52,780 --> 03:43:56,180
the sound permits, all categories, that's my motion.

2422
03:43:57,340 --> 03:44:06,580
Mr. Mayor, I would second that motion, but with a friendly amendment, residents to nonprofit

2423
03:44:06,580 --> 03:44:08,060
rates, I think that's a great idea.

2424
03:44:08,540 --> 03:44:15,260
The sound system, perhaps we could just lower it from $200 and something to maybe $100 or $150.

2425
03:44:16,820 --> 03:44:22,280
The sound system there is rather elaborate and it's not just a boom box and a microphone.

2426
03:44:23,760 --> 03:44:33,820
So so so so so amended $100. Okay. Thank you. And I will second that question and clarification on this. If we

2427
03:44:34,580 --> 03:44:37,760
The ampisa amplified sound permit. That's for an outside

2428
03:44:38,960 --> 03:44:40,760
Music person coming in

2429
03:44:40,760 --> 03:44:45,080
Or is that already we're paying the AV tech to be there?

2430
03:44:45,160 --> 03:44:51,020
The amplified sound permit is the police department permit that the police permit issues for a live band or a DJ

2431
03:44:52,280 --> 03:44:56,420
So that they're not going to be using the sound system there.

2432
03:44:56,900 --> 03:44:59,880
So the sounds of some there is just built into the AV.

2433
03:45:00,740 --> 03:45:07,300
So, if they're using the built-in sound system in the building, they're just paying the hourly AV tech to run the system. Of course, they're not paying the additional fee. The

2434
03:45:07,300 --> 03:45:17,680
amplified sound permit goes directly to the police department. It's part of their master fee schedule. It's what you would do to get an amplified sound permit for any location in the city. And that is, if they have a live band or a DJ.

2435
03:45:19,680 --> 03:45:26,600
So, it's not the system in the building. It is not the system in the building. Do they get to use a billing system for free? I mean, not for free, but it's part of the bill.

2436
03:45:26,600 --> 03:45:36,440
Yes, if they are choosing to use the building system, they're paying just a higher staff rate for a staff member that's certified to run the system, but that there's no other associated costs with that.

2437
03:45:36,660 --> 03:45:40,900
So the to what was a $250? Yes, and that's a master fee schedule thing.

2438
03:45:42,120 --> 03:45:45,320
So they have to go to the police department go file it as a payment about.

2439
03:45:45,520 --> 03:45:48,860
I'd like to eliminate it, but I didn't want to seem onerous.

2440
03:45:49,120 --> 03:45:50,820
Well, then I would want to withdraw my.

2441
03:45:50,820 --> 03:45:54,120
Okay, so a minute one, it's zero, so we're getting ready to go.

2442
03:45:54,120 --> 03:46:01,300
If I may, after further consideration, this is a receive and file action and so if we're

2443
03:46:01,300 --> 03:46:06,220
going to amend something, that's kind of an action and so I think based upon the pickle

2444
03:46:06,220 --> 03:46:13,220
ball, it might be best that we come back, instead of doing a cure and correct, we come back.

2445
03:46:13,220 --> 03:46:20,500
So, because it is agendas receive in file, I think it's problematic if we change.

2446
03:46:20,900 --> 03:46:22,740
I'll amend my motion to receive in file.

2447
03:46:23,940 --> 03:46:24,320
Second.

2448
03:46:25,700 --> 03:46:29,300
I do have a question for staff for a future agenda item.

2449
03:46:31,000 --> 03:46:35,620
Do you need a monitor if you already have a staff member there doing AV?

2450
03:46:36,220 --> 03:46:37,320
It's one or the other.

2451
03:46:37,640 --> 03:46:38,460
Oh, it is one or the other.

2452
03:46:38,700 --> 03:46:38,840
Okay.

2453
03:46:39,120 --> 03:46:39,300
Perfect.

2454
03:46:40,580 --> 03:46:40,820
All right.

2455
03:46:41,000 --> 03:46:42,700
There's a motion a second on the floor.

2456
03:46:42,700 --> 03:46:44,060
I have a question.

2457
03:46:44,180 --> 03:46:47,420
Just a quick question before we go to my friends one and then, Ray.

2458
03:46:47,920 --> 03:46:48,780
Thank you.

2459
03:46:49,600 --> 03:46:55,280
Is there any way what we can do to increase the survey results that we have from the?

2460
03:46:56,780 --> 03:47:03,300
We send them out to everyone, but generally people don't fill out surveys.

2461
03:47:03,820 --> 03:47:07,020
It's very short, it's five questions, maybe six questions.

2462
03:47:07,020 --> 03:47:11,600
We send them out to all of our renters, theater, Clark building, rooms, everybody.

2463
03:47:11,600 --> 03:47:17,020
We don't get a ton of return on it. So did they receive an email where they could click on a link and answer the questions?

2464
03:47:17,240 --> 03:47:20,180
Yep. Did they get something in the mail or just an email? Just an email?

2465
03:47:20,460 --> 03:47:25,280
Did you ask for confirmation back? I'm just wondering if there's. No, we just send the email.

2466
03:47:25,420 --> 03:47:32,380
Thank you for ending with our building. We could just try to be a little bit more aggressive on trying to get better responses, because I think

2467
03:47:32,800 --> 03:47:38,860
what could be more important than getting responses from the people that used the building to figure out where we're going

2468
03:47:38,860 --> 03:47:45,240
when we review this, and then of course if we come up with future agenda items it can

2469
03:47:45,240 --> 03:47:48,340
be included in that area as well.

2470
03:47:48,640 --> 03:47:48,940
So thank you.

2471
03:47:48,960 --> 03:47:49,500
Yes, so noted.

2472
03:47:49,800 --> 03:47:49,920
Sure.

2473
03:47:50,300 --> 03:47:50,760
Councillor Jackson.

2474
03:47:54,360 --> 03:48:00,060
Just to make sure I'm clear if that can be, we're not breaking even right now, are we?

2475
03:48:00,280 --> 03:48:02,040
Is this caused neutral or are we losing money?

2476
03:48:06,480 --> 03:48:07,800
I can't answer that.

2477
03:48:08,860 --> 03:48:11,220
I don't know what the utilities cost for this space.

2478
03:48:11,220 --> 03:48:17,680
Okay, all right. And maybe just for next time we get this briefing, I'm just curious

2479
03:48:17,680 --> 03:48:25,220
as to whether we're recouping his cause neutral or is just a another handout that the

2480
03:48:25,220 --> 03:48:28,860
city is providing noted. Thank you.

2481
03:48:31,140 --> 03:48:34,320
Just a quick question based on that question.

2482
03:48:37,200 --> 03:48:42,700
We own

2483
03:48:42,700 --> 03:48:47,400
We hear about how much money we bring in with the building I would assume that's basically profit.

2484
03:48:49,380 --> 03:48:56,640
Absolutely, and I know that the facility is tied in to the Clark Stadium as a whole if you remember from the long bull in conversation we can't really separate it out those utilities.

2485
03:48:57,380 --> 03:49:00,000
So it would definitely be a public works estimation, but I can get those numbers.

2486
03:49:00,540 --> 03:49:07,400
Okay, and now are we getting 100% money back on staff time and so on?

2487
03:49:07,520 --> 03:49:07,640
Yes.

2488
03:49:07,940 --> 03:49:10,080
Okay, all right now, thank you.

2489
03:49:10,080 --> 03:49:10,980
Ray, are you still there?

2490
03:49:12,120 --> 03:49:12,420
Yes, sir.

2491
03:49:12,940 --> 03:49:13,540
Okay, we lost.

2492
03:49:13,760 --> 03:49:14,140
There you are.

2493
03:49:15,100 --> 03:49:15,620
Perfect.

2494
03:49:16,360 --> 03:49:16,720
All right.

2495
03:49:16,800 --> 03:49:18,360
We have a motion to receive and file.

2496
03:49:18,480 --> 03:49:19,340
It's been seconded.

2497
03:49:21,040 --> 03:49:22,000
Madam City clerk.

2498
03:49:22,780 --> 03:49:23,620
Mayor Pro Temkegan.

2499
03:49:23,980 --> 03:49:24,180
Hi.

2500
03:49:24,520 --> 03:49:25,260
Council Member Semen.

2501
03:49:25,780 --> 03:49:25,920
Hi.

2502
03:49:26,380 --> 03:49:27,040
Mayor Dittoy.

2503
03:49:27,280 --> 03:49:27,440
Hi.

2504
03:49:27,780 --> 03:49:28,600
Council Member Jackson.

2505
03:49:29,420 --> 03:49:29,640
Hi.

2506
03:49:30,200 --> 03:49:31,040
Council Member Francois.

2507
03:49:31,680 --> 03:49:31,980
Yes.

2508
03:49:32,300 --> 03:49:33,560
Motion passes 5-0.

2509
03:49:34,180 --> 03:49:34,640
Perfect.

2510
03:49:36,460 --> 03:49:37,500
Director Nichols.

2511
03:49:37,500 --> 03:49:38,600
Good

2512
03:49:44,300 --> 03:49:46,960
evening, Mayor Prattem, and City Council.

2513
03:49:47,940 --> 03:49:52,400
This item is consideration of updates to the tennis membership and reservation rights.

2514
03:49:53,780 --> 03:49:54,620
Next slide.

2515
03:50:01,200 --> 03:50:05,600
So the Parks and Recreation Department oversees seven city-owned tennis courts.

2516
03:50:06,300 --> 03:50:11,480
Six courts are located at the community center and support resident reservations, drop-in-play,

2517
03:50:11,820 --> 03:50:14,480
city contract classes and camps and private instruction.

2518
03:50:14,480 --> 03:50:22,660
The other tennis court is located at the Kelly complex and that is designated for drop-in play only it is not available for reservation

2519
03:50:22,660 --> 03:50:28,520
So the fee modifications that we had before you tonight are only pertaining to the community center tennis courts

2520
03:50:29,540 --> 03:50:35,300
The current tennis membership and reservation fees have remained unchanged since 2020

2521
03:50:36,000 --> 03:50:42,520
Therefore staff performed best practice research on local cities and recommended to the commission at its July 7th meeting

2522
03:50:42,520 --> 03:50:48,920
increases to the annual membership and hourly reservation fees for residents which the commission supported.

2523
03:50:49,520 --> 03:50:50,040
Next slide.

2524
03:50:55,340 --> 03:50:59,580
So in our best practice research in the staff report as attachment one resident

2525
03:50:59,580 --> 03:51:06,200
reservation fees generally range from 10 to 13 dollars per hour in surrounding cities. All of the

2526
03:51:06,200 --> 03:51:12,020
structure of the annual membership requirements vary by agency. So the fee updates that we are

2527
03:51:12,020 --> 03:51:19,380
recommended tonight is to increase our annual resident membership fee from $19 to $25 and

2528
03:51:19,380 --> 03:51:25,500
the hourly resident reservation rate from the hours of 8 a.m. to 7 p.m. from $9 to $12.

2529
03:51:26,020 --> 03:51:33,000
And from 7 to 10 p.m. which is considered the lighted hours from 11 to 14 dollars.

2530
03:51:34,060 --> 03:51:38,780
And informing these fee increase recommendations, not only do we consider the best practice

2531
03:51:38,780 --> 03:51:43,920
research will be also considered the recent city council action increasing the pickleball fees.

2532
03:51:44,460 --> 03:51:50,080
When the city established the pickleball program in 2020, those fees for pickleball were set

2533
03:51:50,080 --> 03:51:55,800
to mirror the community center's tennis program, so except for the lighted hourly reservation rate,

2534
03:51:56,020 --> 03:51:59,720
which does not apply to the pickleball courts considering their hours of operations.

2535
03:52:00,280 --> 03:52:05,380
The fee increases presented tonight are in line with the pickleball program.

2536
03:52:06,740 --> 03:52:07,720
Next slide.

2537
03:52:10,100 --> 03:52:14,180
So to conclude my presentation options for City Council tonight are to approve

2538
03:52:14,180 --> 03:52:20,260
the fee updates, which is option one on the slide before you with anticipated revenue

2539
03:52:20,260 --> 03:52:25,740
shown as well on that slide or maintain the current fees, which also you can see the revenue

2540
03:52:25,740 --> 03:52:32,980
collected right now with the current fees in option two. And this concludes my presentation

2541
03:52:32,980 --> 03:52:34,960
and I'm available for any questions.

2542
03:52:36,940 --> 03:52:38,620
Thank you, questions for staff.

2543
03:52:41,420 --> 03:52:43,460
Thank you very much for the brief presentation.

2544
03:52:47,710 --> 03:52:57,630
We continue to offer tennis to those that don't have reservations for free if they're available, is that correct?

2545
03:52:58,150 --> 03:52:58,350
Yes.

2546
03:52:58,650 --> 03:53:06,390
Okay, just want to make sure we've continued to support that, that the one availability the public has to use the tennis courts

2547
03:53:07,150 --> 03:53:11,350
for free is to come down if they're available that jump on the courts that use them

2548
03:53:12,070 --> 03:53:14,110
until someone shows up with a reservation.

2549
03:53:14,330 --> 03:53:19,870
Yes, and courts five and six are available for drop-and-play at all times because we do not reserve those courts.

2550
03:53:20,110 --> 03:53:21,570
They're free of reservation at all times.

2551
03:53:21,890 --> 03:53:22,350
Oh, beautiful.

2552
03:53:22,590 --> 03:53:24,830
Only four of the six courts are available for reservation.

2553
03:53:25,470 --> 03:53:25,890
Thank you.

2554
03:53:27,410 --> 03:53:33,790
And it says in the staff report, but the tennis program generates more revenue than what is displayed here

2555
03:53:33,790 --> 03:53:35,910
because of the camps and private instruments.

2556
03:53:36,030 --> 03:53:39,710
Yes, this only pertains to the resident reservation revenue.

2557
03:53:40,590 --> 03:53:40,930
Perfect.

2558
03:53:42,210 --> 03:53:43,250
Any other questions for staff?

2559
03:53:43,650 --> 03:53:43,770
Nope.

2560
03:53:44,870 --> 03:53:45,970
Is there a non-resident?

2561
03:53:47,510 --> 03:53:51,970
There is not at this time and there is not for the pickleball program either.

2562
03:53:52,350 --> 03:53:56,350
When we had the pickleball discussion, we did talk City Council and staff.

2563
03:53:56,350 --> 03:54:02,450
We had a discussion about the non-resident fees and at that time, we discussed considering

2564
03:54:02,450 --> 03:54:08,730
I'm going to bring non-resident reservations when we brought back the 90-day report for the Pickleball program.

2565
03:54:09,410 --> 03:54:13,810
So we didn't recommend any changes to the tennis since these two mere one another.

2566
03:54:14,650 --> 03:54:17,310
So there is no membership for non-resident.

2567
03:54:17,630 --> 03:54:18,110
There is not.

2568
03:54:18,770 --> 03:54:19,150
Okay.

2569
03:54:19,150 --> 03:54:20,610
For non-residents, it's just drop-in.

2570
03:54:21,370 --> 03:54:22,630
Got it, thank you.

2571
03:54:23,990 --> 03:54:32,430
And I guess the question is, is there enough demand in the reservations that you would want to put reservations on five and six and keep the Clark court open for drop-in?

2572
03:54:33,350 --> 03:54:35,730
We haven't seen a need for that just yet.

2573
03:54:36,670 --> 03:54:37,050
Perfect.

2574
03:54:39,200 --> 03:54:40,300
Seeing any other questions?

2575
03:54:40,700 --> 03:54:42,520
I'm in a commotion to a public comment.

2576
03:54:42,720 --> 03:54:43,280
Oh, I forgot.

2577
03:54:44,960 --> 03:54:45,720
Nobody here.

2578
03:54:46,240 --> 03:54:47,620
I did not receive any speaker cards.

2579
03:54:47,800 --> 03:54:48,940
Oh, I was talking tennis.

2580
03:54:53,280 --> 03:54:54,520
I dare you, Michael.

2581
03:54:55,660 --> 03:54:56,620
Council, good evening.

2582
03:54:59,660 --> 03:55:02,320
Mayor, I hope you don't think I was crazy enough to come down here just for this.

2583
03:55:02,320 --> 03:55:06,440
actually meant to come here for the SGRs, but I arrived a little bit late for public comment.

2584
03:55:06,880 --> 03:55:11,040
However, perfect opportunity when I came up here advocating for increase in pickleball fees.

2585
03:55:11,420 --> 03:55:15,480
I made a promise to my neighbor that I was not just picking on pickleball.

2586
03:55:15,680 --> 03:55:20,140
I was here, principled consistency of cost recovery for all of our city services.

2587
03:55:20,380 --> 03:55:24,280
So I will speak tonight in favor of increasing fees on tennis as well.

2588
03:55:24,880 --> 03:55:25,280
Thank you.

2589
03:55:33,100 --> 03:55:34,080
No one else on mine.

2590
03:55:34,400 --> 03:55:37,080
All right, we'll close public comment and I'll turn over to Mayor Patelman.

2591
03:55:37,080 --> 03:55:41,720
And let's make a motion to approve the Parks and Rec Commission recommendation to increase

2592
03:55:41,720 --> 03:55:49,260
the annual tennis membership to $25 and a reservation rate to $12 between $8 and $7 and $14

2593
03:55:49,260 --> 03:55:51,240
between 7 and 10 PM.

2594
03:55:52,300 --> 03:55:53,500
That is my motion.

2595
03:55:54,640 --> 03:55:54,840
Second.

2596
03:55:55,400 --> 03:55:57,880
We have a motion and a second in the conversation on the motion.

2597
03:55:59,060 --> 03:56:02,200
Just thank you to the Parks and Rec Commission for their work on this.

2598
03:56:02,520 --> 03:56:02,980
Thank you, staff.

2599
03:56:04,000 --> 03:56:04,440
I'm C. Clerk.

2600
03:56:04,440 --> 03:56:04,580
Mr. Clerk.

2601
03:56:05,040 --> 03:56:05,840
Councillor Member Jackson.

2602
03:56:06,580 --> 03:56:07,140
Aye.

2603
03:56:07,440 --> 03:56:08,580
Councillor Member Francois.

2604
03:56:08,920 --> 03:56:09,300
Yes.

2605
03:56:09,580 --> 03:56:10,200
Mayor Dittoy.

2606
03:56:10,480 --> 03:56:10,620
Aye.

2607
03:56:10,860 --> 03:56:11,680
Councillor Marcement.

2608
03:56:12,080 --> 03:56:12,220
Aye.

2609
03:56:12,520 --> 03:56:13,340
Mayor Pratt and Keegan.

2610
03:56:13,600 --> 03:56:13,780
Aye.

2611
03:56:14,020 --> 03:56:15,280
Motion passes, 5-0.

2612
03:56:16,240 --> 03:56:16,440
All right.

2613
03:56:16,440 --> 03:56:17,440
I think we've made history.

2614
03:56:17,560 --> 03:56:19,840
That's the third time we mentioned pickleball tonight.

2615
03:56:23,250 --> 03:56:23,590
Okay.

2616
03:56:23,590 --> 03:56:23,930
Parking.

2617
03:56:24,070 --> 03:56:24,770
This is all the record.

2618
03:56:25,150 --> 03:56:25,410
That's good.

2619
03:56:25,770 --> 03:56:26,270
Welcome back.

2620
03:56:27,110 --> 03:56:27,710
All right.

2621
03:56:28,250 --> 03:56:29,010
Hello again.

2622
03:56:30,230 --> 03:56:35,110
This item is consideration of updates to the Park Reservation Program Feast.

2623
03:56:35,110 --> 03:56:35,850
Next slide.

2624
03:56:39,320 --> 03:56:43,600
The Parks and Recreation Department oversees resident park reservations for neighborhood

2625
03:56:43,600 --> 03:56:49,980
gatherings and small group gatherings under 25 at six parks per the Hermosso Beach Municipal

2626
03:56:49,980 --> 03:56:50,200
Code.

2627
03:56:50,320 --> 03:56:51,960
These parks are listed in the code.

2628
03:56:52,580 --> 03:56:57,720
So it's Valley Park by Centennial Park, Greenwood Park, South Park, Clark Field, and Edith

2629
03:56:57,720 --> 03:56:58,480
Rotaway Park.

2630
03:56:58,960 --> 03:57:07,480
However, we've only had requests for Valley Park and South Park historically, and I just

2631
03:57:07,480 --> 03:57:09,200
is attached to the staff report,

2632
03:57:09,400 --> 03:57:11,360
only speaks to Valley Park and South Park.

2633
03:57:11,760 --> 03:57:13,720
We have since updated that policy

2634
03:57:13,720 --> 03:57:16,320
to make it clear that the other parks are also available

2635
03:57:16,320 --> 03:57:19,140
for reservation, so I just wanted to make note of that.

2636
03:57:20,280 --> 03:57:23,280
Park reservations include the reservation of tables,

2637
03:57:23,540 --> 03:57:28,240
the total tables really available for reservation vary by park

2638
03:57:28,240 --> 03:57:30,900
because each park has a different amount of tables available.

2639
03:57:31,300 --> 03:57:34,720
Valley Park bounce houses are permitted in the amphitheater area

2640
03:57:34,720 --> 03:57:39,820
and the fire pay is available for use and an additional fee for each of those amenities.

2641
03:57:40,280 --> 03:57:45,940
We are not recommending any fee changes to the bounce house permit fee or the fire reservation fee,

2642
03:57:46,080 --> 03:57:48,280
only for the general park reservation fee.

2643
03:57:48,860 --> 03:57:53,660
The current park reservation fee is adjusted annually based on the CPI.

2644
03:57:53,940 --> 03:57:57,960
However, no other fee adjustments have been recommended in at least 20 years.

2645
03:57:58,160 --> 03:58:01,640
And I know that because I have been with the city for 20 years, we have not changed these fees.

2646
03:58:01,640 --> 03:58:09,000
and per the, her most of each municipal code, reservation fees should be accounting for

2647
03:58:09,000 --> 03:58:11,980
all of the direct costs associated with this program.

2648
03:58:12,680 --> 03:58:16,240
Therefore staff performed best practice research on local cities.

2649
03:58:16,240 --> 03:58:22,720
We calculated the direct cost to administer this program from the department and we are

2650
03:58:22,720 --> 03:58:27,520
recommended to the commission at its August 4th meeting to options for increases to the

2651
03:58:27,520 --> 03:58:29,740
the city's park reservation fees for residents

2652
03:58:30,040 --> 03:58:32,380
and an update to the policy to allow

2653
03:58:32,380 --> 03:58:33,820
for non-resident reservations,

2654
03:58:33,860 --> 03:58:36,740
which I'll touch on why more later in the presentation.

2655
03:58:37,480 --> 03:58:40,980
The commission supported a $100 fee plus the $29

2656
03:58:41,500 --> 03:58:45,100
application fee and allowing for non-resident reservations

2657
03:58:45,100 --> 03:58:47,800
with a $200 fee so that double the cost

2658
03:58:47,800 --> 03:58:50,060
of the resident cost for non-resident,

2659
03:58:50,680 --> 03:58:53,960
including as well the $29 application fee.

2660
03:58:54,580 --> 03:58:55,080
Next slide.

2661
03:58:55,080 --> 03:58:56,040
Okay,

2662
03:59:02,900 --> 03:59:14,400
so as further detailed and table one of the staff report, direct cost total approximately $147 to monitor the Park Reservation Program through the Parks and Recreation Department.

2663
03:59:14,820 --> 03:59:31,380
It includes the staff time associated with the reservation processing, securing the reservation site, materials, the day of the reservation check-in, and any post event checks and follow-up, including the survey that our recreation supervisor Cambria had mentioned we do for the Clark Building.

2664
03:59:31,380 --> 03:59:37,020
These tasks are split between different members of the team, so it's some of our part-time

2665
03:59:37,020 --> 03:59:40,740
staff team members and members of our full-time staff team.

2666
03:59:40,800 --> 03:59:45,800
That's why I'll see different rates in that table for each element of the program.

2667
03:59:46,480 --> 03:59:51,060
The option recommended by the commission does not necessarily support cost recovery of these

2668
03:59:51,060 --> 03:59:51,820
direct costs.

2669
03:59:52,140 --> 03:59:58,920
As a total for a park reservation, which the commission is recommending would be $129.

2670
03:59:58,920 --> 03:59:59,340
dollars.

2671
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:29,980
As noted on the previous slide, an alternate option was presented to the commission that would provide for cost recovery. But that is again not what the commission had recommended. And I believe I put it on, yeah, it's in red on the slide before you. So we had an alternate option, which was $121 plus $29 application fee that would provide for full cost recovery. Local cities, park reservation fees are mixed between hourly and fraught rate fee structures, but ultimately range from $80 to $100.

2672
04:00:29,980 --> 04:00:38,820
$160 for four-hour reservation, so our recommendation, either option one or option two that we have presented to the commission falls within this range.

2673
04:00:39,060 --> 04:00:45,120
It makes an average market rate across the cities that we surveyed of $120.

2674
04:00:46,020 --> 04:00:46,660
Next slide.

2675
04:00:50,330 --> 04:01:00,530
So in also reviewing the local city's park reservation policies, it is clear to us that Hermosa is the only city that does not allow for non-resident reservations of their parks.

2676
04:01:00,530 --> 04:01:07,350
That is why we are recommending that the Park Reservation Policy be modified to allow for

2677
04:01:07,350 --> 04:01:12,230
non-resident reservations which commission supported at a rate doubled from the resident reservations.

2678
04:01:12,850 --> 04:01:18,510
Based on the inquiries from non-residents and a review of the resident reservations throughout the year

2679
04:01:18,510 --> 04:01:22,110
which are totaled up in Table 2 of your staff report.

2680
04:01:22,310 --> 04:01:25,330
We see no impact on access for residents with this change.

2681
04:01:25,330 --> 04:01:29,390
We have availability throughout the year for to accommodate non-residents

2682
04:01:29,390 --> 04:01:34,230
based on the amount of inquiries we get from non-residents and commission

2683
04:01:34,230 --> 04:01:39,990
against support of this recommendation. And additionally during site checks at

2684
04:01:39,990 --> 04:01:46,810
CVU and Fort Lossafund parks, we have had park goers requesting the ability to

2685
04:01:46,810 --> 04:01:51,250
obtain park reservations at these locations. These locations both have

2686
04:01:51,250 --> 04:01:54,970
restrooms now. They have picnic tables. They're suitable to accommodate a park

2687
04:01:54,970 --> 04:01:58,890
reservation and the commission supported its task recommendation to include

2688
04:01:58,890 --> 04:02:01,650
through these parts in the program, next slide.

2689
04:02:03,090 --> 04:02:08,070
So because these details, many of these details are listed in the Hermos Beach Municipal

2690
04:02:08,070 --> 04:02:13,450
Code, if Council does approve the commission's recommended fee because it does not account

2691
04:02:13,450 --> 04:02:18,970
for full cost recovery of direct cost, there would need to be a Hermos Beach Municipal Code

2692
04:02:18,970 --> 04:02:23,550
update to change that because it does speak to the fact that we need to recover all direct

2693
04:02:23,550 --> 04:02:41,730
that cost and then the inclusion of non-resident reservations would also need to results in a modification to the code as well because it always speaks to allowing it for residents and then the addition of CVU and for lots of fun parks would also result in a code amendment.

2694
04:02:42,410 --> 04:02:45,470
And that concludes my presentation. I'm available for any questions.

2695
04:02:46,330 --> 04:02:50,830
Thank you. Any questions for staff?

2696
04:02:53,270 --> 04:02:56,510
I've reserved the park a few times, and it's wonderful.

2697
04:02:57,250 --> 04:02:59,270
Madam City Clerk, public comment, quick question.

2698
04:02:59,890 --> 04:03:05,850
Just a quick question, and thanks to our Parks and Ricks Commission and staff for putting this together.

2699
04:03:06,590 --> 04:03:14,550
The idea of having a larger amount for non-residents is to kind of subsidize it.

2700
04:03:14,550 --> 04:03:19,870
So we've kept the cost less than what it really recovers for residents, is that correct?

2701
04:03:20,230 --> 04:03:25,510
That is true, and it's the doubling of the resident cost for non-residents.

2702
04:03:25,690 --> 04:03:29,270
We saw that to be what Manhattan Beach and El Segundo had done as well.

2703
04:03:29,890 --> 04:03:31,090
Okay, very good, thank you.

2704
04:03:32,770 --> 04:03:36,670
All right, so in other questions, could you open up for public comment please?

2705
04:03:37,210 --> 04:03:41,410
Yes, I do not have any hands raised online and we do not receive any speaker cards for this item.

2706
04:03:45,180 --> 04:03:51,300
no one in chambers. All right, we'll close public comment. Bring it back for

2707
04:03:51,300 --> 04:03:52,980
deliberation or emotion.

2708
04:03:57,160 --> 04:04:00,440
I'll make an emotion to accept staff and commission

2709
04:04:00,440 --> 04:04:03,740
recommendation. Perfect. I'll second.

2710
04:04:06,700 --> 04:04:08,780
I know that you mentioned the ordinances are

2711
04:04:08,780 --> 04:04:13,660
going to get changed. We'll obviously come back to us or is that? Yes, we'll have to

2712
04:04:13,660 --> 04:04:16,700
come back for a first and second reading of the changes to the municipal code.

2713
04:04:16,700 --> 04:04:23,260
Okay, perfect. All right, there's a motion in a second. No other conversation on this

2714
04:04:24,080 --> 04:04:32,560
Madam City clerk mayor DeToy. Aye mayor Pratton Keegan. Aye. Councilmember Jackson. Aye. Councilmember Seaman. Aye

2715
04:04:32,560 --> 04:04:37,660
Councilmember Francois. Yes, motion passes 5 0. I

2716
04:04:41,950 --> 04:04:44,290
will take us to feature agenda items

2717
04:04:44,290 --> 04:04:57,830
Yeah, every time I'd like to move forward the fee schedule change for the Clark building rentals to come back to us at a future meeting to make some changes.

2718
04:04:59,390 --> 04:05:11,540
I will support that and I will support that all right, three persons support changes to the fee schedule of the Clark building as discussed earlier in the meeting.

2719
04:05:12,260 --> 04:05:13,700
We'll look at all fees in, right?

2720
04:05:14,360 --> 04:05:16,700
That's the same report, just we can talk about it.

2721
04:05:17,360 --> 04:05:20,220
So I don't think we need to redo a report, I don't think.

2722
04:05:21,060 --> 04:05:21,280
Yeah.

2723
04:05:21,900 --> 04:05:27,600
And your honor that was Mayor Proton, Keegan, Mayor Detoy,

2724
04:05:27,700 --> 04:05:28,460
and who was the third?

2725
04:05:29,160 --> 04:05:29,560
Francois.

2726
04:05:29,740 --> 04:05:30,220
Francois, okay.

2727
04:05:30,280 --> 04:05:30,380
No.

2728
04:05:31,880 --> 04:05:33,180
That's why I was wondering, right?

2729
04:05:33,400 --> 04:05:36,640
So I heard, sorry, I missed red that.

2730
04:05:36,900 --> 04:05:37,660
That's why I wanted to clarify.

2731
04:05:37,740 --> 04:05:38,160
Thank you.

2732
04:05:41,840 --> 04:05:44,780
Any others from you, Mr. Mayor?

2733
04:05:46,040 --> 04:05:52,280
I am seeking a support to bring a discussion up on the Clean Power Alliance.

2734
04:05:52,720 --> 04:05:54,960
I'm hoping for two additional council members.

2735
04:05:55,980 --> 04:06:01,620
The idea of this discussion would be to adjust all residents to the lowest tier for their

2736
04:06:01,620 --> 04:06:02,060
power.

2737
04:06:02,720 --> 04:06:09,380
this decision to go to the most expensive level should be made by the residents themselves

2738
04:06:09,380 --> 04:06:14,240
rather than have to opt down to a lower level. They should start at the lower level.

2739
04:06:14,360 --> 04:06:19,480
I think this would save our citizens thousands of dollars and I think it's a worthy discussion

2740
04:06:19,480 --> 04:06:21,820
something we need to look at as long overdue.

2741
04:06:23,220 --> 04:06:24,300
I'll second that.

2742
04:06:29,730 --> 04:06:32,770
I know what it was adopted before I was on the council.

2743
04:06:32,770 --> 04:06:35,750
So I did advocate for something lower than the highest tier.

2744
04:06:36,030 --> 04:06:52,510
But would it make sense to keep it as an info item first until we consider all the ramifications of the contract we have and have a report first that would make it a little quicker or are we okay with going hand with an action item?

2745
04:06:52,510 --> 04:06:54,450
It's as directed by Council.

2746
04:06:55,830 --> 04:06:59,590
I don't think, yeah, I don't, it's up to you whether you think information or

2747
04:06:59,590 --> 04:06:59,710
now.

2748
04:06:59,810 --> 04:07:00,250
Sure.

2749
04:07:00,510 --> 04:07:01,890
Yeah, go ahead.

2750
04:07:02,450 --> 04:07:11,370
If it's an action item report comes back much fuller.

2751
04:07:11,490 --> 04:07:16,390
It's a much more complete report, something that we would have enough information

2752
04:07:16,390 --> 04:07:18,770
to make a decision and a change based on.

2753
04:07:18,770 --> 04:07:21,970
If it's just a discussion item, it's a fairly light report.

2754
04:07:22,910 --> 04:07:26,010
Right, it's just there when it's a discussion and it comes back quicker.

2755
04:07:27,130 --> 04:07:30,870
And then we could, if we want to go ahead and do it, but that's fine.

2756
04:07:30,990 --> 04:07:33,110
If we want to make that an action item, I'm okay with that.

2757
04:07:33,410 --> 04:07:33,990
So there's three.

2758
04:07:34,410 --> 04:07:34,570
Okay.

2759
04:07:35,110 --> 04:07:35,430
There's three.

2760
04:07:35,910 --> 04:07:36,370
Thank you.

2761
04:07:37,450 --> 04:07:37,850
Okay.

2762
04:07:39,590 --> 04:07:48,610
I would seek support for having the planning commission start on the basic program.

2763
04:07:48,610 --> 04:07:51,110
guidelines on short-term vacation rentals.

2764
04:07:54,120 --> 04:07:54,560
Second.

2765
04:07:58,990 --> 04:08:01,270
You want to get a little more specific on what you're proposing?

2766
04:08:02,170 --> 04:08:02,350
No.

2767
04:08:03,710 --> 04:08:09,150
Just that they start having the conversation on what is a permanent STR program

2768
04:08:09,150 --> 04:08:10,150
look like in her most of each.

2769
04:08:12,690 --> 04:08:16,130
Do we need that as an action item or is the planning commission going to be

2770
04:08:16,130 --> 04:08:21,030
considering that anyway, or do we have to wait six months out?

2771
04:08:21,290 --> 04:08:25,330
The direction that we proved was six months for data collection

2772
04:08:25,330 --> 04:08:27,090
and then zero conversation.

2773
04:08:28,190 --> 04:08:29,030
Directional council.

2774
04:08:33,410 --> 04:08:34,250
Can you repeat that,

2775
04:08:34,290 --> 04:08:35,870
I just got it in here at that clearly.

2776
04:08:36,290 --> 04:08:39,110
Is the planning commission would start a conversation

2777
04:08:39,590 --> 04:08:41,810
on what a permanent STR program

2778
04:08:41,810 --> 04:08:43,270
and our most of each would look like?

2779
04:08:46,480 --> 04:08:48,440
So this would come back to the city council

2780
04:08:48,440 --> 04:08:49,480
first for discussion.

2781
04:08:50,560 --> 04:08:51,340
To the planning commission.

2782
04:08:52,620 --> 04:08:54,660
How much staff time would go into something like that?

2783
04:08:57,400 --> 04:08:59,400
I mean, it's hard to say.

2784
04:08:59,400 --> 04:09:03,840
I mean, it would be folded into the other things

2785
04:09:03,840 --> 04:09:04,540
they're working on.

2786
04:09:06,500 --> 04:09:10,780
Well, typically, you know, a couple of dozen condo projects

2787
04:09:10,780 --> 04:09:13,020
and one thing or another, but then...

2788
04:09:13,020 --> 04:09:16,540
I'm sorry that the director's not here.

2789
04:09:16,540 --> 04:09:19,320
I'm going to lose to say exactly what it would be.

2790
04:09:20,780 --> 04:09:22,520
But again, council directs it.

2791
04:09:22,540 --> 04:09:23,900
It will become part of the workflow.

2792
04:09:25,720 --> 04:09:25,980
Okay.

2793
04:09:26,100 --> 04:09:27,340
Well, we're not supposed to deliberate on it.

2794
04:09:27,500 --> 04:09:28,440
So we have...

2795
04:09:28,440 --> 04:09:29,420
We have two people.

2796
04:09:31,000 --> 04:09:31,440
Okay.

2797
04:09:31,840 --> 04:09:36,380
So, if it becomes an action, it doesn't come back to us.

2798
04:09:37,360 --> 04:09:39,740
That's a referral to the Planning Commission, is that what that is?

2799
04:09:39,920 --> 04:09:42,940
Eventually what they discuss would come back to us first.

2800
04:09:43,960 --> 04:09:48,440
No, it's an action item, it would be the direction, there would be nothing to come back and vote

2801
04:09:48,440 --> 04:09:52,060
on again, you're already providing direction, that something would go to the Planning Commission

2802
04:09:52,060 --> 04:09:52,580
to be.

2803
04:09:52,600 --> 04:09:57,480
So, this is not going to come back to the City Council to provide direction on where

2804
04:09:57,480 --> 04:09:58,840
to go to the planning commission.

2805
04:09:59,240 --> 04:10:01,580
No, it was a direct referral to the planning commission.

2806
04:10:02,060 --> 04:10:04,200
Council needs to direct one way or the other.

2807
04:10:04,440 --> 04:10:05,100
One way or the other.

2808
04:10:05,340 --> 04:10:08,440
And unless there's three, then it goes directly to planning commission.

2809
04:10:09,720 --> 04:10:13,420
As council desires, if they, if council wants to, if there's a, if there's a,

2810
04:10:13,420 --> 04:10:18,120
council wants to re-agendize this to provide guidance to the planning commission,

2811
04:10:18,260 --> 04:10:18,820
they can do that.

2812
04:10:19,600 --> 04:10:23,280
Well, I, I will make it an action, I don't know if it comes back to this city council

2813
04:10:23,280 --> 04:10:29,760
Council for us to provide some guidance on where we're going with this issue but not

2814
04:10:29,760 --> 04:10:32,020
a direct referral to the planning commission at this point.

2815
04:10:32,280 --> 04:10:33,760
I will gladly change it to that then.

2816
04:10:34,260 --> 04:10:34,540
What's that?

2817
04:10:34,960 --> 04:10:35,940
I will change it to that then.

2818
04:10:36,320 --> 04:10:36,500
Okay.

2819
04:10:37,140 --> 04:10:42,620
So this will be a future agenda item coming back to this council on where we're going next

2820
04:10:42,620 --> 04:10:43,100
on this.

2821
04:10:43,680 --> 04:10:44,400
Very good with that.

2822
04:10:44,700 --> 04:10:44,900
Okay.

2823
04:10:46,140 --> 04:10:47,120
I have an item now.

2824
04:10:49,260 --> 04:10:50,140
Well, you're muted.

2825
04:10:52,640 --> 04:10:53,560
We can't hear you.

2826
04:10:57,980 --> 04:11:00,520
I have no idea what we're going to talk about

2827
04:11:00,520 --> 04:11:02,340
and why it wouldn't start with the planning commission.

2828
04:11:06,190 --> 04:11:07,330
So why is it coming to us?

2829
04:11:07,690 --> 04:11:09,030
I don't understand that.

2830
04:11:13,130 --> 04:11:15,290
Then you can withdraw your support if you want or not.

2831
04:11:22,430 --> 04:11:23,330
Okay, I'm fine.

2832
04:11:23,530 --> 04:11:27,630
I have no idea what this discussion is about

2833
04:11:27,630 --> 04:11:31,610
so I'm not supporting it, so it makes no sense to me.

2834
04:11:31,610 --> 04:11:32,870
but that's just me.

2835
04:11:33,430 --> 04:11:35,350
I don't see a point of having an info item

2836
04:11:35,350 --> 04:11:37,030
on a potential short-term.

2837
04:11:38,550 --> 04:11:40,070
No, I think it should be a discussion,

2838
04:11:40,370 --> 04:11:42,970
community discussion, led by the planning commission.

2839
04:11:43,310 --> 04:11:43,650
Full stop.

2840
04:11:43,950 --> 04:11:45,490
It's gonna come up to us eventually,

2841
04:11:45,730 --> 04:11:48,030
so for it to come to us and then go back down,

2842
04:11:48,210 --> 04:11:49,010
makes no sense.

2843
04:11:54,740 --> 04:11:57,460
Well, that's okay, we can do something later in the future,

2844
04:11:57,620 --> 04:11:57,840
I guess.

2845
04:11:59,600 --> 04:12:01,580
Okay, I have a good.

2846
04:12:01,580 --> 04:12:01,720
Good.

2847
04:12:06,000 --> 04:12:12,680
So years ago, when we renewed the Chamber of Commerce contract, I tried to seek support

2848
04:12:12,680 --> 04:12:19,380
for funders to come up with a New Year's Eve celebration, and we got people to go out

2849
04:12:19,380 --> 04:12:26,740
to funders and go out to the band, and sure enough, a representative from Lou Gevenetti appeared

2850
04:12:26,740 --> 04:12:32,700
here this evening, stating that they're willing to cover the full cost of the event. So I'm asking

2851
04:12:32,700 --> 04:12:42,900
for a future agenda item to consider waiving the city's fees for that event if we obtain confirmation

2852
04:12:42,900 --> 04:12:50,080
and they apply for the event and cover the full cost of the event. And we could keep it open

2853
04:12:50,080 --> 04:12:55,020
and ended whether we end up being the sponsor, whether they do, or they work with the Chamber of Commerce

2854
04:12:55,520 --> 04:13:00,940
or other businesses, but something to that event, something that affect as a future agenda item,

2855
04:13:00,940 --> 04:13:06,880
so we could possibly get moving on a New Year's Eve celebration, this New Year's Eve.

2856
04:13:08,260 --> 04:13:11,140
I'll second that. I'll second that.

2857
04:13:14,110 --> 04:13:15,670
I'll also lend support to that.

2858
04:13:16,590 --> 04:13:17,970
Okay. Thank you.

2859
04:13:24,210 --> 04:13:25,310
Everybody loves a party.

2860
04:13:29,940 --> 04:13:35,080
That's sure if it should be the Chamber of Commerce or not, but let's talk about it.

2861
04:13:36,620 --> 04:13:41,700
Any other future agenda items? I actually have another question on a future agenda item.

2862
04:13:41,880 --> 04:13:47,720
Mr. Mayor, you submitted an answer to a question that a Council member proposed

2863
04:13:47,720 --> 04:13:55,660
about whether they could switch their vote or pull a future agenda item and change it

2864
04:13:55,660 --> 04:13:59,460
to an info-only. Could you explain a little bit more what the question and answer

2865
04:13:59,460 --> 04:14:00,080
was to that?

2866
04:14:03,650 --> 04:14:10,270
As I understand, if something is on our agenda as a future agenda as an action item,

2867
04:14:10,270 --> 04:14:15,610
And a council member that voted for it decided they wanted info only.

2868
04:14:16,090 --> 04:14:22,750
They could, we could now tonight request that that be reconsidered as an info only item.

2869
04:14:22,850 --> 04:14:24,630
Is that how I understand it?

2870
04:14:25,190 --> 04:14:26,930
No, councilor.

2871
04:14:27,230 --> 04:14:30,330
We haven't made a determination on that yet.

2872
04:14:30,610 --> 04:14:35,500
We're going to, that's not, we didn't have advice on that.

2873
04:14:35,680 --> 04:14:41,120
Well, if we, if we have an action item listed as a future agenda item and it's there and

2874
04:14:41,120 --> 04:14:45,580
And a council member wants to make it an info-only, and you get three votes to make

2875
04:14:45,580 --> 04:14:47,520
it info-only, that should do it right there.

2876
04:14:47,540 --> 04:14:49,440
You only have two supporting the items.

2877
04:14:49,780 --> 04:14:51,460
So, you should get the same meeting.

2878
04:14:52,020 --> 04:14:55,180
No, no, right now, it's, we're under the agenda for future genitives.

2879
04:14:55,420 --> 04:14:56,260
Right, since I've got it.

2880
04:14:56,400 --> 04:14:59,980
The issue is whether it was a reconsideration or it needs to be...

2881
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:28,960
brought back is another future agenda item. Well, right now it's on board, right now something's on board for an action item. It's on board for an action item. It will come back to us as an action item. If we can certainly vote to change that from an action item to an info only by the vote of three people on this council tonight, because that's a future agenda item. As I understand it, that's how we. But that was on a future agenda item from another meeting.

2882
04:15:28,960 --> 04:15:31,180
I mean, you're talking reconsideration.

2883
04:15:31,200 --> 04:15:32,860
It's on our list, the future agenda items.

2884
04:15:33,260 --> 04:15:34,240
It's on our list right now.

2885
04:15:34,700 --> 04:15:36,520
Something is there as a future agenda item.

2886
04:15:36,820 --> 04:15:39,380
That was brought up in a previous meeting.

2887
04:15:39,760 --> 04:15:40,900
Yeah, it was brought up in a previous meeting.

2888
04:15:41,160 --> 04:15:41,960
It's on our list.

2889
04:15:42,600 --> 04:15:47,820
So if a council member wants to change it to an info-only item,

2890
04:15:48,340 --> 04:15:51,360
they should be able to pull up that item right now.

2891
04:15:51,360 --> 04:15:52,120
It's on our list.

2892
04:15:52,620 --> 04:15:55,880
And if they have three votes, that makes it,

2893
04:15:55,880 --> 04:15:57,720
That'll change it to an info on the item.

2894
04:15:58,880 --> 04:16:01,300
I thought it's pretty clear to me how that can work.

2895
04:16:01,480 --> 04:16:04,500
Otherwise, we'll have future genitals on here forever

2896
04:16:04,980 --> 04:16:05,720
that won't move.

2897
04:16:06,260 --> 04:16:08,860
We can move any of these future genitals

2898
04:16:08,860 --> 04:16:11,440
to an info on the item or to knock it off completely.

2899
04:16:11,760 --> 04:16:12,460
Or more votes.

2900
04:16:12,600 --> 04:16:14,380
So I defer those to the agenda, I think.

2901
04:16:15,760 --> 04:16:17,520
I'm not exactly sure that's totally accurate

2902
04:16:17,520 --> 04:16:19,440
and so I need to look into that.

2903
04:16:20,260 --> 04:16:21,360
Could the opposite be true?

2904
04:16:21,520 --> 04:16:24,140
If it's currently an info item and someone has thought

2905
04:16:24,140 --> 04:16:28,600
a couple of months later, and then said, oh, I want to add my support to changing

2906
04:16:28,600 --> 04:16:32,300
that to an action item who is not already on there.

2907
04:16:33,800 --> 04:16:35,060
Yes, three votes that can be done.

2908
04:16:37,380 --> 04:16:41,280
Just like if there's an item, and someone says, I don't think it should be, I think it

2909
04:16:41,280 --> 04:16:45,040
should be taken off completely, with four votes of the council, it can be taken off.

2910
04:16:45,500 --> 04:16:48,280
Because there's, you only have one person supporting it.

2911
04:16:48,500 --> 04:16:49,620
I mean, Councillor, I understand.

2912
04:16:49,980 --> 04:16:55,280
I just, I don't know, you know, we're talking about having an action item to remove

2913
04:16:55,280 --> 04:16:59,080
information on them or changing back or we went through this before and I

2914
04:16:59,080 --> 04:17:03,240
thought it was quite clear we would remember with one time we decided let's

2915
04:17:03,240 --> 04:17:06,580
knock off this list and see if we can knock off I remember that discussion

2916
04:17:06,580 --> 04:17:10,880
well I would say this yeah if it's on the it's on the future agenda item that's

2917
04:17:10,880 --> 04:17:15,420
listed right before you right now so yeah if you get three members to change it

2918
04:17:15,420 --> 04:17:20,700
sure because it is because it has been it has been agendized and it is listed as

2919
04:17:20,700 --> 04:17:24,720
is a future agenda item. So, sure, if you can three members do it, then sure.

2920
04:17:25,380 --> 04:17:29,400
Tenant future agenda items. Yeah, tenant future agenda items. Yeah. Okay.

2921
04:17:29,540 --> 04:17:31,680
If there's a tenant future agenda item, is there a agenda item?

2922
04:17:31,680 --> 04:17:34,480
I buy that. It's been the public has notice. I buy that.

2923
04:17:35,920 --> 04:17:37,720
Do we have a motion at

2924
04:17:39,960 --> 04:17:40,440
the bottom?

2925
04:17:40,860 --> 04:17:40,980
Move.

2926
04:17:59,890 --> 04:18:01,410
Okay. Is that possible?

2927
04:18:02,590 --> 04:18:08,250
It, because it is listed, it's been agendized, it is listed as a future agenda item.

2928
04:18:08,250 --> 04:18:20,230
If you guys want to change and make change it from action item to info item as long as you have the records of votes, you can do that because it has been agendas.

2929
04:18:22,630 --> 04:18:28,130
I would like to bring up a future tentative future agenda item that's on the list.

2930
04:18:28,130 --> 04:18:37,630
It's called direct planning commission to consider a moratorium on new ground for office and service entry uses in commercial zones to reserve retail and restaurant uses.

2931
04:18:40,530 --> 04:18:43,090
I would like to withdraw my vote on that.

2932
04:18:44,210 --> 04:18:46,450
I did not hear that that was going to the planning commission.

2933
04:18:46,710 --> 04:18:49,030
I apologize, but I just didn't hear those words.

2934
04:18:49,870 --> 04:18:50,810
I would like to.

2935
04:18:50,990 --> 04:18:51,110
All right.

2936
04:18:51,470 --> 04:18:53,690
Once again, but we had a, you can't.

2937
04:18:53,890 --> 04:18:56,810
One council member cannot unilality withdraw and vote.

2938
04:18:56,910 --> 04:18:57,110
All right.

2939
04:18:57,650 --> 04:18:59,370
Let's bring this up and vote on it.

2940
04:18:59,470 --> 04:19:02,550
If I get three votes to take this off the list, then.

2941
04:19:03,070 --> 04:19:03,930
And we can do that.

2942
04:19:03,930 --> 04:19:13,290
I move that we take this off the list and cancel it completely or at the very least make

2943
04:19:13,290 --> 04:19:17,970
it a discussion item for a City Council, not the Planning Commission.

2944
04:19:19,210 --> 04:19:19,970
That's my motion.

2945
04:19:22,420 --> 04:19:24,860
I'll second your motion if it takes it off completely.

2946
04:19:25,200 --> 04:19:29,600
I'm okay with that, because I was against it, so I've heard that.

2947
04:19:30,760 --> 04:19:33,000
All right, so if you want to make a motion to take it off.

2948
04:19:33,100 --> 04:19:34,660
All right, I move that we take it off the list.

2949
04:19:34,660 --> 04:19:41,080
Okay, that's my motion. Yeah, this moratorium thing has no basis for anything. So

2950
04:19:42,200 --> 04:19:47,200
I don't know where we're going with that, but I will second your motion to remove it. Thank you, and then we have a third.

2951
04:19:48,900 --> 04:19:51,380
Okay, do we need to vote on that or is that enough?

2952
04:19:52,340 --> 04:19:56,450
This three. That's three. It's not. That's fun. There you go. All right. Thank you.

2953
04:19:58,440 --> 04:20:01,040
I've got a question because I was the maker of

2954
04:20:01,040 --> 04:20:30,140
I was the one who sought support. It was twofold. Number one, looking for support for the planning commission to begin discussions and try to determine what changes would be required to go from to convert from office to condo office to apartment and then part of that was the inclusion that part of that consideration would be no ground floor office.

2955
04:20:31,040 --> 04:20:35,480
Which is consistent with what we've been trying to do for years and what some of our neighboring cities have done so

2956
04:20:36,600 --> 04:20:41,540
You know, I'm not sure where this sudden. I don't want to do the round for office came from but it was part of a

2957
04:20:42,260 --> 04:20:47,380
Joint discussion. So I'm just trying to flush it out so I understand what it is. We're doing it not to right

2958
04:20:47,380 --> 04:20:52,020
Well, what we're doing is it's off the list completely and no longer exists

2959
04:20:52,020 --> 04:20:57,200
So if he wants to be if we're city attorney does that mean that the discussion on

2960
04:20:57,200 --> 04:21:01,140
on office conversions is off because it was a

2961
04:21:01,140 --> 04:21:06,380
fuel support component. I guess I don't understand

2962
04:21:06,380 --> 04:21:11,320
are we taking away half of what we voted on as a majority?

2963
04:21:15,560 --> 04:21:19,180
So whatever's listed

2964
04:21:19,180 --> 04:21:23,400
there the motion was to take that item off

2965
04:21:24,520 --> 04:21:27,740
in its entirety that's I believe that's the motion that you had

2966
04:21:27,740 --> 04:21:33,880
that, right? That's correct. Council is always able to do that. It's been agendized and

2967
04:21:33,880 --> 04:21:40,880
that's there. And so if there's portions of that that were written incorrectly, that's

2968
04:21:40,880 --> 04:21:45,000
something different. But as it's what, as it appears, that's what's been agendized and

2969
04:21:45,000 --> 04:21:50,440
that was the motion. And then now it's been removed. And then Ray, just for your clarification,

2970
04:21:50,800 --> 04:21:56,140
the office to housing conversion, which is directing planning commission to examine it, is slated

2971
04:21:56,140 --> 04:22:02,240
for November 10th, 26th meeting, which again, I think just based on the direction what you gave

2972
04:22:02,240 --> 04:22:06,920
and how this is written, that shouldn't even be on our agenda, it should go directly to planning.

2973
04:22:08,140 --> 04:22:12,400
Correct. And so that, just, it's on page five.

2974
04:22:12,640 --> 04:22:17,300
I'm supposed to go to planning too. I'm not looking at the future agenda. So is that not going to,

2975
04:22:19,360 --> 04:22:22,380
is that not going to planning questions? Is that what they vote now is today?

2976
04:22:28,400 --> 04:22:37,580
That's not what the motion was. The motion was the one item that she voted on. That additional item is not affected.

2977
04:22:38,580 --> 04:22:44,260
Now, if there is something was written incorrectly, I mean we can look at that and that's one that falls in the clerical.

2978
04:22:44,260 --> 04:22:51,440
So, you know, we can check that, but as this particular item is written that's presented

2979
04:22:51,440 --> 04:22:56,780
before you on the future gen item, you have the authority to, as you have the votes,

2980
04:22:56,940 --> 04:22:58,000
you can change it.

2981
04:22:58,060 --> 04:22:59,580
I mean, that's what the whole, okay.

2982
04:23:00,100 --> 04:23:04,280
And all fairness, Mr. Mayor, if you and Councilmember Jackson want to place it on an info

2983
04:23:04,280 --> 04:23:10,120
only item, you could propose that again if you still have two votes for that.

2984
04:23:10,420 --> 04:23:11,160
So just want to be.

2985
04:23:11,160 --> 04:23:13,120
That's one of those two conversations.

2986
04:23:13,340 --> 04:23:17,560
One of them is you, me, and Ray supported the Office

2987
04:23:17,560 --> 04:23:19,840
to Housing Planning Commission Examiner,

2988
04:23:20,020 --> 04:23:21,400
which is under November 10th.

2989
04:23:22,400 --> 04:23:25,640
So you're referring to another item here.

2990
04:23:26,640 --> 04:23:29,300
I hear direct planning commission to examine Office

2991
04:23:29,300 --> 04:23:31,860
to Housing Convergence and look at developing a comprehensive

2992
04:23:31,860 --> 04:23:34,740
plan to identify zoning and municipal code changes

2993
04:23:34,740 --> 04:23:36,820
necessary to allow and encourage these.

2994
04:23:36,860 --> 04:23:38,960
Yeah, I'm off of that, I supported that

2995
04:23:38,960 --> 04:23:40,980
and that's coming back November 10th, sure.

2996
04:23:41,980 --> 04:23:42,460
Absolutely.

2997
04:23:43,360 --> 04:23:47,740
So that should go to planning commission, not us and on November 10th.

2998
04:23:47,820 --> 04:23:48,040
Yeah.

2999
04:23:50,600 --> 04:23:51,080
Correct.

3000
04:23:51,920 --> 04:23:52,160
Correct.

3001
04:23:52,280 --> 04:23:54,100
I don't know why that's there.

3002
04:23:54,400 --> 04:23:55,560
I'll talk with Alison.

3003
04:23:55,700 --> 04:23:57,400
But we should have been doing it anyway.

3004
04:23:57,700 --> 04:24:00,020
I think it was brought up and I thought we were doing it anyway.

3005
04:24:00,020 --> 04:24:02,820
And I just supported it because I thought we were looking into this.

3006
04:24:03,640 --> 04:24:06,640
No, the direction was to go to planning commission.

3007
04:24:07,320 --> 04:24:14,020
So I, yeah, and it says that, so let's say completely, we'll clarify that, but that should be going to point out.

3008
04:24:14,020 --> 04:24:18,720
Yeah, that could be a clear call item which we can amend, check directly and amend.

3009
04:24:19,200 --> 04:24:22,520
I don't think we have the support to change that one at this moment anyway, so.

3010
04:24:23,340 --> 04:24:26,220
Well, no, but if it's, this is something else.

3011
04:24:26,540 --> 04:24:27,380
This is something else.

3012
04:24:27,840 --> 04:24:31,720
Yeah, it doesn't make sense that it's on this.

3013
04:24:32,140 --> 04:24:32,940
We'll correct that.

3014
04:24:33,440 --> 04:24:33,740
Okay.

3015
04:24:34,640 --> 04:24:35,220
Thank you.

3016
04:24:38,110 --> 04:24:40,590
They didn't. Did that help councilmember Jackson?

3017
04:24:41,670 --> 04:24:43,070
Sure. Thank you.

3018
04:24:45,540 --> 04:24:47,380
Seeing no other feature agenda.

3019
04:24:47,520 --> 04:24:50,260
So we're going to have them more time come back as a discussion.

3020
04:24:51,120 --> 04:24:52,600
Not an action item, but a.

3021
04:24:53,180 --> 04:24:54,340
Info. Make that motion.

3022
04:24:54,420 --> 04:24:56,600
Well, we. That motion needs to be made.

3023
04:24:56,940 --> 04:24:57,560
Support that. Right.

3024
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:00,360
What's that?

3025
04:25:00,660 --> 04:25:01,540
I will support that.

3026
04:25:02,280 --> 04:25:03,360
Okay. Thank you.

3027
04:25:04,260 --> 04:25:06,320
All right. Seeing no other feature agenda items.

3028
04:25:06,320 --> 04:25:07,420
Move to the city management report.

3029
04:25:08,260 --> 04:25:13,560
nothing tonight thank you perfect info items they're attached no action

3030
04:25:13,560 --> 04:25:20,920
discussion I'll take us to adjournment are we gonna have a discussion on I again

3031
04:25:20,920 --> 04:25:27,250
I may be some future on moving the city manager report there wasn't support to

3032
04:25:27,250 --> 04:25:28,830
do that the last meeting

3033
04:25:30,940 --> 04:25:35,000
and and I believe and I believe the what you guys opted for

3034
04:25:35,000 --> 04:25:38,520
was at the beginning of each meeting if you'd like the issue that's important

3035
04:25:38,520 --> 04:25:42,200
to the public, you can move it up to the front on a case-by-case basis.

3036
04:25:42,380 --> 04:25:42,920
That's all there is.

3037
04:25:43,160 --> 04:25:46,600
I mean, we got lights out on who knows the avenue that nobody in the city knows about.

3038
04:25:47,020 --> 04:25:48,160
How is that not an issue?

3039
04:25:49,160 --> 04:25:53,060
We've got, you know, I can go down the list of items that we are not briefing.

3040
04:25:53,660 --> 04:25:55,900
I mean, I got guys telling me lights have been offered two weeks.

3041
04:25:56,100 --> 04:25:58,180
The city's known about it, but I didn't know about it.

3042
04:25:58,820 --> 04:25:59,920
The community doesn't know about it.

3043
04:26:00,480 --> 04:26:01,780
We haven't even talked about it tonight.

3044
04:26:02,300 --> 04:26:06,520
I mean, there's more to the city manager report than trash is going to be moved one day

3045
04:26:06,520 --> 04:26:11,680
because of Labor Day, and there's a long list of important issues.

3046
04:26:11,920 --> 04:26:13,260
That is on the pickable court.

3047
04:26:13,420 --> 04:26:19,020
I mean, I can go on and on, you know, because we want to continue operating this way,

3048
04:26:19,060 --> 04:26:22,000
then that's fine, the majority is spoken, that's fine.

3049
04:26:24,060 --> 04:26:25,780
But then you can't talk about transparency.

3050
04:26:26,840 --> 04:26:29,740
All right, this meeting is adjourned at 940.

3051
04:26:29,740 --> 04:26:30,120
Thank you.

3052
04:26:30,580 --> 04:26:34,440
8th, the next regular city council meeting will be Tuesday, September 22nd,

3053
04:26:35,260 --> 04:26:37,740
at 5pm for closed session and 6pm for open session.

3054
04:26:38,020 --> 04:26:39,340
Thank you.