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All right, everyone. I'm going to bring
this regular Hermosa Town Board meeting

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to order on September 8th, 2026 at 6 PM.
Starting with roll call. Trusty Ferguson

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» here.
>> Trusty Kramer

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» here.
>> Trusty Mathem.

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» Trusty Miller
>> here.

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» Trusty Service here. Uh, thank you
everyone else for coming. Um,

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we'll move into the pledge of
allegiance.

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I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America.

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I don't know if this is the time, but
we're here to ask a couple questions. Is

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there time at a later later in the
meeting?

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» Um, yeah. If it's not attached to an
item on the agenda, then this would be

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the time.
>> Hold up.

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Okay.
>> Yeah.

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» So, um, we'd like to purchase some land
on the other side of the highway.

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» Okay. and we're hoping to get approval
on the board um and promise to get water

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and that the supply will be good and um
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so we'd like to develop starting on the
north side of the theater

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in two or three different phases.
So I I brought uh my partner Trent with

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me and an engineer. So, I don't even
know where to begin, but that's before I

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go buy land, um, I need to get a
commitment from city.

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All right. Um, this sounds like a
planning and zoning discussion. Um,

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we can add a discussion item when we get
into it. We can add a discussion item

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under planning and zoning to the agenda.
Uh, anybody else have anything they'd

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like to say before we get moving?

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All right. Um, call for changes. Here we
go. Review current agenda items. Motions

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to accept as presented are amended. So
with that, uh, public input, I would say

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Oh, we go. ABCDE D. All right. So what's
item F? Uh

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» uh
>> Hermosa Hills is what that uh

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» development's called. Herosa Hills
discussion of further development.

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» If that sounds good.

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Okay.
Um,

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anybody else have anything to tweak?
Anything? Uh,

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I feel like we're going to be
tableabling some of these things, you

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know, these floating items again, but I
guess we'll see.

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Nothing else to tweak, add, or anything.
All right, I'll entertain a motion.

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Entertain a motion.
Who's got a motion? Just

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» I'll make a m a motion to accept the
agenda with the little changes.

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» Motion made. Do we have a second?
>> Second.

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» Made and seconded. Further discussion?
Seeing none, all those in favor?

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» I
>> All right. We have an agenda.

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Consent calendar approval of August 17,
2026

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special meeting. I was Oh, that was

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budget meetings. Did we approve these
already?

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This was
>> this was the last regular meeting and

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the special meeting right before that.
>> Yeah,

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» it was Monday and a Tuesday night
because I missed them both.

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» Oh. Oh, right, right, right. All right.
I'm thinking the budget meetings.

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» Yeah, we are. All right.
>> All right.

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» I'll make a motion to approve the 1726
special meeting minutes.

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» Motion made. Do you have a second?
>> Second.

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» Made and seconded. Further discussion?
Seeing none. All those in favor?

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» I
>> I

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» abstain. I will abain also.
>> All right. That's right. You are both

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absent for that meeting.
>> Very good. Um,

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moving on. August 18th, regular meeting
minutes.

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[snorts]

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This concluded the adjustment to the
water rates.

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Make a motion that we approve the August
18th meeting minutes.

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» Motion made. Do we have a second?
>> All made and seconded. Further

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discussion. Seeing none. All those in
favor? I

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» I.
>> All right.

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» I will abstain again.
>> Very good. Okay. Conflict of interest

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declaration. Roll call voting for any
agenda item where a conflict of interest

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is formally identified
and right into legal or

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we need we should all the agenda
>> they have the flexibility does brown

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agenda
>> like we want to do town updates

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» I mean you should amend it every time
you're doing the

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» changes probably to move it just because
the idea is to give public you Y

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» if they wanted to leave and come back
when that item dropped or whatever they

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had to do that

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» yeah I don't think you'll be super
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Mr. James your floor
>> uh yeah this one's not as long as the

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last meeting. So um
just a few things that I worked on uh

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pursuant to the last meeting. So, one of
those is um I do have a draft of the

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Preston uh family agreement that is for
review. We can do that in executive

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today. We could do it in the next
executive. Whatever works for board on

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that, but there's a draft ready to kind
of review and go over on that. Um the um

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the last meeting we decided to uh report
the issue of the um FEMA brick grant. um

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being subcontracted without going
through competitive bidding and um I did

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make that report to the OIG for FEMA. Um
just to say that yeah, we didn't have

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any knowledge that it was being
subcontracted and that um but as soon as

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we became aware of it, we're letting you
know that it was. Um I've not had

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anybody um reach out to me on it yet. I
did put both your name Marin and your

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name Bay on the U. I think I put their
name on it too as as contacts for

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people. So they somebody might reach out
to you and ask what's going on with that

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situation. But um that is uh that we've
done from our due diligence standpoint.

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We've done what we should do to make
them aware of that and kind of their

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decision of what happens from there, I
guess.

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Um [sighs] and then I did um send off a
dispute letter on claims from last week

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from ATAC uh for the board's vote on
that. And so that starts the 30-day

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period of where they can informally uh
come to an agreement with us or they

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could again wait out that time frame and
then would have to be arbitrated or

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mediated.
Um but that that was done and

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What day?
>> I did that today actually.

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» Thank you.
>> Yeah. So that was when it's sent out

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certified mail.
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there's one more thing. Um

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that's all I can think of that I was
working on for the last meeting. So

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if you guys have any questions, I'd be
happy to answer them.

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That's all I got.
>> All righty. Anyone have anything for Mr.

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D?

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Sweet. Very good. All righty.
[clears throat]

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And now on toformational presentation
for text my gov.

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» Um yes. So the town is actually excited.
We're launching a text my gov. Um it's

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going to be a communication form. No app
is needed to download, but what we're

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going to be able to do is reach out to
the community with events, weather, any

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kind of emergencies. um that we can
share with you guys just to bring more

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awareness. So on August 31st the mass
packs did go out. Now the numbers we

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have and if you didn't receive one it's
it might be because we have a landline

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not a cell phone for you. So um I'm
Terry and I were here if you guys can

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come in and update your number with us
we would love to add you get you on the

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list. If not you can come in and we'd be
happy just sit down and help you also

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get signed up on it. Um, it's just as
simple as sending a text message to a

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number with Fromosa South Dakota. Um,
you'll get a, you know, reply yes to

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join with us. That's all you do and then
you're opted in. You can get out of it

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just as quickly as reply and stop and
then you won't hear from us again. You

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want to get back in, just jump back in
the office. Let us know again. If you're

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not receiving it, it's probably just
because we don't have an updated cell

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phone.
There any questions you can answer for

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that?
>> And what's that number again? The number

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is going to be 91896
and you're going to text Hermosa SD all

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one word all caps.
And then also on the bulletin board over

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here, you'll see the the town
notification we sent out. You'll also

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see this flyer with a QR code that you
can scan as well if you don't want to

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text the numbers. There's a couple of
options. And then you can also jump on

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the town of Promosa website and get all
the information as well. You'll see all

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of us, all the flyers.

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» Very good.
>> I got mine. Thank you.

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» Good, good, good. So, yeah.
>> Thank you.

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» So, just to elaborate a bit on this, I
think part of this kind of came at the

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right timing with u things like
notifying people about water being

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turned off. um talking about people
getting notified for road closures,

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construction that will affect
their road, their street. Um all that

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will be able to flow out now and
be a lot more efficient. Um we're going

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to look at other possibilities of what
we can use this for, but just trying to

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make it
a little closer to absolute transparency

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through modern the technology that's
stuck with all of us or what's we're

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stuck with it makes sense.
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» Um, all righty. Very good. Anybody else
on uh text my bill?

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» Thank you very much.
>> You're welcome.

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» Citizen stakeholder items. Um, don't
think Well, I guess technically we did,

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but we moved that put it under planning
and zoning. So, it looks like we're

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right into the planning and zoning
section of the meeting. So, I'll

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entertain a motion to adjurnn. And we
can do

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» I'll make that motion.
>> All right. Motion made. We have a

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second.
>> Made and seconded. Further discussion.

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Seeing none. All those in favor?
>> I.

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» All right. We are now the planning and
zoning commission.

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» Thank you, Morgan.
>> Okay. Approved. Final plot of track and

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Fairfield tract.
>> Thanks. Do you want to be

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fellow?

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Do you have a map that goes up there? We
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Hey Peggy, it's Terry at townosa.
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» hi. So, we are just at your plat on the
planning and zoning part of the agenda

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and so I do have you on speaker phone.
Okay.

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» Okay.
>> All right.

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» [clears throat]

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» When this was brought up last time, we
were concerned about the sewer

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and we're no longer concerned about the
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» And the question now is about annexation
or horses.

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Am I understanding that correctly? Uh, I
think, yeah, there's, um, there's

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confusion, misinformation been flying
around over annexation for years. Um, I

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think part of that stems from the period
of time where there was some aggressive

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efforts toward involuntary annexation
that just put a really bad taste to it's

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everybody bordering the city. Um, we do
have uh residential agricultural that

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allows for animals. We looked it up.
It's up to uh

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» three horses.
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» Four.
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» It was three.
>> Up to three.

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» On what acreage?
>> It doesn't actually specify.

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Or did it? No, you know what? Let me
pull it up.

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» It did say something about that, didn't
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» Oh, say I think it did.
>> But it was weird. That's right. It was

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weird because it's it it was like a
number of heads per acre up to a maximum

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of four and it was like Yeah. The way
it's worded basically makes it

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» Yeah.
>> redundant.

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Um

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it's somewhere in here.

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No, please tell me that it's logged in.
Oh, it's about to kick us out of

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should be 90.07.

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» Thank you.

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» The wrong book.
>> Yeah, the wrong book.

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Oh, right at the top. Isn't that
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» Yeah. Then the RA1 stuff starts in sub
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» Okay,

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there. Yeah. All right.

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Number of lots coming limited to two
head or two mother offspring combination

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for the first city lot and one head or
one mother offspring combination for

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each lot thereafter.

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That's

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Oh, down here. Um, the actual number of
livestock shall have be limited to three

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head or three mother offspring
combinations for each one acre of

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property not to exceed a total of four
head or four mother offspring

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combinations.
Equality limitation only such time as

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there
need

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» so it has to be an acre then

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» at least an

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» yeah both of these are well more than
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» um so there's really no consequence. Uh
the pro process of annexation involves a

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resolution. So does resoning and all
reality making sense at all. You use the

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same resolution when you annex and zone
the park you're annexing at the time. So

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there's no reason that uh
there can't be livestock up to

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three head or three mother.
I I don't want to do this.

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» Um but anyway, yeah. So, just to just
kind of squash the idea that uh annexing

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is bad for having horses. That's that's
unequivocally false.

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» But we're not annexing this property.
They don't want it.

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» They're just platting.
>> Yeah.

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» Um
>> extra territorial.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

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Um they're already on the
>> water but not sewer.

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Um
I can give them the sewer and uh water

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when I do anything, you know, with that
with my other lot.

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I don't have a problem with that. I just
don't want to annex.

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But on that one partial that she's got
here, it says 160 Ferguson place.

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» Can you hear me?
>> Yep, we hear you.

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» Okay, thank you.
>> What's that?

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» It's not They got Ferguson place instead
of

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the address. Oh,
>> so that has on the chat.

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» It's on page 25.

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» Wow.

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» Oh, yeah. That's just Yeah,
>> I think

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» somebody put it because on the bottom
it's you see it says 160 fair ground

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slice.
>> Oh wow. This is our whole safety system.

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» Wow.
>> That's

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appreciated information.
>> Can we can we uh make sure these get

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printed and put in the parcels file
on extra ter?

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» Yes. Everything should be kept in a
file.

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» Yeah. So,
>> thank you provided that information.

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» Very good.
>> Is it in our ordinance that if you plant

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that you have to be
um have to voluntarily

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annex him?
>> Um

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» well, we did that um the plat south of
the Ferguson edition behind Vickiy's

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house. we
in Kuster County and we just looked at

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the plat because it was all done through
them and they just wanted us to be

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aware,
>> right?

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» So I would think this is the same thing.
>> Yeah, that was a well good thing that

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precedents don't actually apply, but
that that was that was could have

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potentially been a really bad precedent
to set.

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» Um because the whole story was uh it was
very much painted that well we're just

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platting we're never going to build
there. Let's don't make us annex because

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we're flatting. We're never going to
build there. And the next thing you

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know, it's oh well, we want to build
there now.

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» What changed in six months?
>> Um my my only interest, so they're

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already on water. The one part the home
is already on town water and it's on a

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septic.
>> Um so there's nothing changing in that

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respect that would trigger an
annexation.

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Um now if that septic system fails and
they're required to connect to town

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sewer at that time we would be under the
new ordinances that are getting another

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first reading tonight required to force
their

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in order to get that sewer hookup done
>> because the um the maze

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bad bad business
it comes down to

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people who are annex have say in how our
water and sewer is handled what they pay

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they're they're voters they're they're
citizens they can run for the they can

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get on the board if they want to,
>> but right now all these customers that

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are outside of town, their customers
don't get to have much say. Um,

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» yeah, thank you.
>> And they're okay with that.

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» Um, so as far as annexation, is there
any just my curiosity, the board's

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curiosity, is there a specific reason
that you oppose annexation?

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just just try to understand where you're
coming from because I imagine other

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people are probably coming from the same
place because annexation is the key to

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growth for a town.
>> I don't mind ever going on the sewer. I

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don't mind ever going underwater. I do
have a well on my property, too, by the

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way. And I choose not to activate it,
and so do other people on that street,

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and they choose not to activate it. Um,
so I'm fine with that with doing the

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water. So you guys can, you know, I can
add to that add to the financial part,

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you know, of of the town in one way or
the other. But um

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my religion, my spirituality,
what I do for a living

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is all is country and it's spatial and
it's individual and it's liberty and

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it's what I want and I don't want to be
part of the town. I I have an

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opportunity to live in all these other
spaces in the United States and I've

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never lived in a town. It's not who I
am.

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» Okay. Personal preference then. Fair
enough.

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» Right.
>> For sure.

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» All right. Just curious. Um All right.
Uh I don't know if anybody has any

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» I'll make a motion to approve this.
>> Motion made or motion made. Do we have a

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second?
>> Second.

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» Made and seconded. Um

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further discussion

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seriously.
[laughter]

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» Um no further discussion on this
and we are approving the final this is

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the final flat
>> you know final.

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» Um Scott do you have any concern any
interest?

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» No this is extra territorial. is just
again in our ability to add comments to

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the process. You can they still got to
go to the county too. Wrap it up and I

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don't have any nothing jumps off the
page with me as concern. Okay, sounds

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good to me. All right, any further
discussion? Seeing none, all those in

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favor?
>> I

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» I
>> All right, for eyes one extension.

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Okay. Um, Peggy, looks like your plan is
approved as far as we're concerned.

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» Thank you very much. Thank you for
listening.

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» All righty. Good luck with the county
and good luck moving forward.

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» Okay. Appreciate it. Good night.
>> Good night. [clears throat]

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All right. Um,

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good.
>> Um, we'll see. 9C or what page is it on?

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» 31. 31.

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» Okay, thank you.

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Okay. Um,
let's see. Approve residential building

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permit 195 Fth Street.

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All right.
[snorts]

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Single

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family

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and half

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This is like the most um
information we have ever gotten

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» or not ever but in a long time.
>> And I I appreciate that a lot.

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The only issue that I have with this at
all is that u it

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that lot
has had some water on it in the

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Three bed, two and a half bath, walk-in
closet, mastering mastery.

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» Outside of that, I have no problem.
>> No, it's not in the flood plane. But

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» I may
ask, is this stick built for plans or is

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this

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Yeah, that's the one that in the
springtime it's really wet over there.

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» Mhm.
>> Yeah.

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» Not so much where the house is located
at though. the behind where the house is

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at is where there's been more water as I
recall.

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But they may want

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» Do you know if these contractors are
registered with

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again

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approved
But

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» it looks like it's going to be a nice
addition to the town.

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» Make a motion that we approve it, but we
need the contact as all to be licensed.

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» I will second that.
>> Made and seconded. Um, there's one other

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thing I would like to
point to is that we don't as of this

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moment have a building inspector
on call. Um,

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I think uh we need need to be aware of
that. Builders need to be aware that

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they're going to have to give us some
grace. Um, so you know, I mean, if we if

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we approve the building
and then we get uh

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any situation where we're,
you know, up the creek with no power,

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then we put ourselves there by approving
it. I don't know.

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» Was that I can't remember. Was that
decision um to call one as needed or

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were we going to do further
investigation?

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» Right now, Terry has the authority to if
we need somebody, she can call.

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I've been working with somebody at this
time got up from the and I've got

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another one.

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So hopefully we'll have
all right. Um

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is the builder for this here? That's
your this is yours?

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» No, not this.
>> This is the one on This is the new house

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on Fifth Street. You guys are No, we
didn't want too busy, but

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» Okay.

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This is a packet. This is an impressive
packet. Come to us with this and it

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makes everything easier. Yes.
>> Yes. Very good. Um All right. Any

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further discussion?
Seeing none, all those in favor?

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» I
motion pass. Okay.

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Um,

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we have
>> D and E areformational permits.

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» Move and tear down of sheds.
>> It's just there's no motion required.

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Just
>> soformational permits. I've never seen

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anything in the ordinances point to
theformational permits. Do they exist in

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ordinances?
>> I don't know.

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Yes, I see it.

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[laughter]

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» Ask my assistant quick.
>> Um,

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yeah, just curious because
yeah, that's that's a thing.

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Um, anyway. All right. So, it's moving
sheds,

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120 square feet.

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160 is the minimum.

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» It seems arbitrary.

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I guess the only question we need to
care about really is uh is it in the

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flood plane? No.
And no and no.

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» Right. Is there any other questions we
ever have about jets?

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» Where's I I must have brought the wrong
packet.

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I don't have
>> the only other question is that it's

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located
in

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» on the property and place that we don't
need to access, but it's not.

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» I think the only um
>> the only thing I can think of that would

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maybe possibly need to be noted is that
um ridiculous ordinance that we need to

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change where you can't put anything in
the front yard.

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We're going to change that.
>> I think we need to change that because

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it's hamstringing everybody in the
Ferguson development from building

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sheds. And that's cool.
>> I think

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» it's my opinion.
>> Everybody on a certain side of the

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street.
>> Everybody on a certain side of the

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street, right? Because they can't put
the fed in the in the draft of the

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house. They can't build a shed because
the draft is the front of the house. So

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ordinances are structured so that
there's one particular development keep

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just

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yeah anyway
>> I make a motion to approve it

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» or if we have to have a motion
>> informationational yeah

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» very good thank you for the information
>> I guess the only thing I would say yeah

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since we don't have to make a motion or
anything is just to um just to put in

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the record that uh to to um that the
ordinance is considered on locations of

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sheds within the property
and that buyer agents, you know,

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estimated. So we
>> the biggest thing that people have to

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know when they put something on their
property that is under the the building

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permit process is that if they put it on
wiring, plumbing, any of those things

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that go to the home and those companies
need to get to those wires or pipes or

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whatever that it would be at their
expense, not at the company's expense to

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move it. and
>> and and locate. Right.

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» So that's the that's the biggest thing
that needs to be explained.

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» Very good. So I guess we can call
thatformational permit dually

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considered.

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» Yeah, that's we kind of hit once, right?
>> Okay. F Hermosa Hills discussion of

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further development.
Uh if you if somebody would like to get

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out to the podium and elaborate a little
bit on

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Okay. Well, first of all, I'd like to
introduce myself. My name is Mike Shine

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and I'm in Rapid City now and uh we've
made lots of contributions to Kos

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already by uh we got two under contract
right now and my father's been in this

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business a long time and building home
owns the area. So, we'd like to continue

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that and uh we're looking at the theater
and the surrounding donut of land that

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um is adjacent. So, um our first plan
was to build a road going north,

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I'm sorry, west from the uh from the
east side. Um that would be 24 lots. And

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uh I brought in Sean from for
engineering advice. Uh we got the team

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and equipment that can do the work. Um
we know there's going to be a lot of

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ground that has to be um prepared and
filled, dirt that has to be put in. We

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be installing sewer and water
and um we just would like to have

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approval from the city to move forward
because I don't want to own that land.

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We cannot develop it.
So we need to know what we should do

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next.
Oh. Um, approval from the city. We need

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a lot of paperwork really.

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» So,
a a straight street just like um

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» Murray Street. So, it the houses will go
back to back from Murray Street. What

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would the new street name be?
>> Don't know.

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» Name it after you.
>> Oh, please don't. Please don't.

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No,
I I will disapprove it all then.

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[laughter]
Okay. So, um

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uh so 24 homes
and are you thinking governor's homes or

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» Well, probably yes because they are
affordable and um I think that's a

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necessity.
>> People need affordable housing. It's

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gotten out of control. But we will do a
mixed um development because you can

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only get so many of those governor
songs.

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» Yeah.
>> I mean, I can probably get 24 per year,

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but there's a 18month wait once I've
applied for it, right?

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» So, yeah, we put a few of those in there
and there are apparently six different

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floor plans. So, they're not cookie
cutter and they are high quality. I'd be

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glad to give you all a tour. Do we have
them with you now?

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» The windows are top shelf. The
efficiency is top shelf. It's a great

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structure for young family or some
people on social security. So, I'm all

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in favor of doing more of those
governor's houses. Um, but we probably

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need to find a half dozen or so
affordable, attractive,

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new designs we can put in there as well.
>> And lot sizes will be all approximately

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the same or different?
>> Mostly the same. Maybe some bigger ones.

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We'd like to see if maybe we'd have
interest in barnuminiums. A lot of guys

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need a shop to work on their equipment.
There's

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» a lot of traffic going north south here.
There's businesses that need welding and

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to live where their work is. There's
different We haven't decided all what

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the sizes will be, but mostly the same
size. Yeah.

437
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:40,880
» Okay.
And are you buying that entire piece of

438
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:45,440
property or just a portion of it? Well,
the preons have two parcels. I don't

439
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:52,320
think we need the second parcel that
goes up that hill, but the um the

440
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:56,960
theater is encircled by
I cannot tell you why adjacent land all

441
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:04,800
the way around it. So, yeah, we need to
have that piece that goes around and the

442
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:09,359
theater. Um just because if I have I
could put 12 blocks on one side, but

443
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,680
then my building cost is expensive. So,
I want us to do a house on both sides of

444
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,440
the street.
>> I I understand that.

445
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:19,520
» So, just to cut in, this uh the same
exact discussion happened several times

446
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:27,480
over the years.
>> Um very much the same exact discussion.

447
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,480
Uh so,

448
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,320
we've got this row of houses. The re
[laughter]

449
00:39:33,747 --> 00:39:38,000
[clears throat]
pass cannot stay in the path. Anyway,

450
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:41,599
we've got this row of houses. Cool.
ready to build, but can't really make a

451
00:39:39,839 --> 00:39:47,359
profit just building one row of houses
along that street. You got to build two

452
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:52,000
rows of houses. Okay. Um, you've got
floodway right here.

453
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,160
This is Floodway.
>> Flood plane.

454
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:57,200
» Yeah,
>> it can be built on.

455
00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:01,520
» It can be. And are you planning on
building up bringing in dirt?

456
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:05,920
» As of right now, from what I've seen out
there, I got verified that I tied into

457
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:08,480
this benchmark four or five years ago
when I started surveying out there.

458
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:14,480
Uhhuh.
>> But it looks like I haven't surveyed the

459
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:20,160
theaters lot per se, but I surveyed all
the way around it.

460
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:26,240
» The north side right now is anywhere
from a foot to two foot above the base

461
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:30,480
flood elevation right now. So when they
built the theater, they already built

462
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:35,680
it.
>> Uh it's not not exactly correct. that

463
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,480
came in kind of a ways before the
theater, but um it is not.

464
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:43,040
» Um
>> well, at some point they could

465
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:47,839
» Okay.
>> I just got to verify that

466
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:51,520
» touch base with the core. There's some
wetland stuff. We got to but yeah.

467
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:56,079
» Okay.
>> I'll be in touch with FEMA and the

468
00:40:53,599 --> 00:41:02,560
» Great. You got my approval. Talk to
everybody else. [laughter]

469
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:07,920
» I think it's a good idea.
it look more like a neighborhood that

470
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:10,800
would and it offers protection for those
people in

471
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:13,800
» I think it's absolutely wonderful.
>> Yeah.

472
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:22,319
» Oh,
>> and the water and the sewer line are

473
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:24,720
right there anyway, so it wouldn't cost
that much.

474
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:29,200
» So, um that's another part of the
problem is your uh utilities are going

475
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:33,760
to be running through flood plane,
right?

476
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,760
» Which there I'll seal.

477
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:40,240
That's legal.
>> That is legal.

478
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:47,920
» That'll be something that we'll have to
take take special notes of when we're

479
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:53,440
actually doing the platting and the each
individual lot, you know, the platt when

480
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:59,280
they get when they're running the lines
up and down. So there your your only

481
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:02,560
viable location to run your so there's a
you can't see it on these not but the

482
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:06,720
easement comes down and then cuts over
this way a little bit past the street

483
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:11,200
the rest of Walter Street. Now you need
to run your utilities from here down

484
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:16,640
here and over here. What you may or may
not know is there was um there was some

485
00:42:13,839 --> 00:42:21,839
effort uh to run the sewer and water
manes directly

486
00:42:19,359 --> 00:42:24,720
in between these lots up here. And uh I
have the letter from the engineer who

487
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:27,119
approved that plat and said I'll approve
this plat as long as you agree that

488
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:32,880
you're never ever going to try to
develop because this is a terrible idea,

489
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:41,280
but that was like 10 years ago.
Um so you've got wetlands all here,

490
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:45,040
you've got cattails all here. Um I mean
what's the plan for the for the wetlands

491
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:50,960
mitigation? Are you are you
>> since you did excuse me since since this

492
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:54,000
has been done there has been a whole lot
of dirt put in right here

493
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,319
» north of there. Yeah.
>> Yeah.

494
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,480
» North of your panel.
>> Right here.

495
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,240
» Okay. Yeah. So
>> put in right here.

496
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:04,160
» Correct.
>> You know how much it takes? You know how

497
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,800
much it costs to do something here in
the wetlands?

498
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:11,359
» Well, I know it's expensive and I know
>> 50 to $300,000 an acre just to disturb

499
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:15,359
the wetlands. That's not building.
That's not bringing the engineers

500
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:18,480
building. That area will not be.
>> Yeah, that's not part of your

501
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,560
» I got that.
>> You've got more over here.

502
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:25,920
» You got more over here. This is all wet
lands.

503
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:30,240
» Yeah, we'll address that.
>> Great.

504
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:34,000
It can be done. It is is, you know, I
mean,

505
00:43:31,839 --> 00:43:37,200
if you have enough money, anything.
>> There you go. See, I mean,

506
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,480
» but you're not here to spend money.
You're here to make.

507
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:44,160
» They built they built in New Orleans. If
they can build in New Orleans, if these

508
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:47,680
gentlemen want to put the money into it
and want to put a housing development in

509
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:52,079
there and make sure there's enough
drainage, I would think that it would be

510
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:56,880
an approval situation.
>> I will I'll follow up with

511
00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:01,280
» Yes,
>> I've got I've got like 40ome pages from

512
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,280
the core on this property, too. It's
It's got a heck of a history. There was

513
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,319
some
>> There was some sketchy things done.

514
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:07,520
» A lot of hand slapping going on from
water.

515
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,880
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um, there's utility lines that

516
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:15,520
were ran through here. I guess there was
some issues with that being done a

517
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:21,040
little fast and loose. Yeah.
>> Yeah. As of right now, as far as I can

518
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:24,079
see, it's all approved and fine now.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's they're they they're

519
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:28,319
like it's old enough now we're just
washing our hands on it.

520
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:36,040
But moving forward
subdivision that had wetland

521
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:36,040
we can run through the port.

522
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:45,200
» I do have a question about your boable
water situation.

523
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:51,839
You know five years ago we were building
pretty steady on Marie Street and uh

524
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:57,119
fire protection was minimal to
non-existent.

525
00:44:54,720 --> 00:45:01,839
Are we making any headway on improving
the water flows over there?

526
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:05,440
» So there's um there's a whole history of
weird decisions with that too. So maybe

527
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:08,800
it was around that time when the booster
station thing was going on.

528
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:12,400
» Um so there was a time when there was a
demand for pressure. So these this

529
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:16,880
booster station was put in. The booster
station's throughput is about 60 gpm.

530
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:19,920
Obviously not enough for fire flow. That
ended up getting shut down and switched

531
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,880
back over to gravity. So right now we're
on gravity. You should have no problem

532
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:27,760
getting fire slow anywhere on our
circuit. You're just going to have

533
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:33,040
places where you're sub 30 PSI.
>> Back then it was sub at the east end of

534
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:38,800
Marie. They didn't have pressure.
>> We know what the firefls were

535
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:42,200
and they were
very minimal.

536
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:48,640
» Yes.
>> Yeah. Then they weren't

537
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:53,760
I've asked for that water study when you
put in the new tank up on the hill. Have

538
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:59,359
we been able to get that yet?
>> Water study.

539
00:45:55,359 --> 00:46:03,040
» Um I did hear from DNR and they they put
them out on the website. I just need to

540
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,839
go look at that and try to find which
one you're looking for.

541
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:09,200
» The new new dank. Yes.
>> Yeah.

542
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:14,319
» Because that is going to be key to
making that that whole side of the road

543
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:17,440
work. if that tank never gets filled.
>> Um that's

544
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:22,720
» and that study should explain how it's
going to change the water flow.

545
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:26,640
» So that that tank is 31 ft shorter
>> lower. Yeah.

546
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:30,400
» 31 ft lower than our current tanks.
You're never going to get anywhere near

547
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:36,520
as much pressure out of that new tank as
we're getting out of our current tanks.

548
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,520
» Okay. unless we raise it another

549
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:45,920
level out. So, we'll have good hours.
>> Um, but as far as that goes, so I had a

550
00:46:44,319 --> 00:46:49,200
really good conversation with the ANR
and they both

551
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:53,920
» they were pretty candid about it. Um,
how it's it's this town is has had a

552
00:46:52,319 --> 00:46:57,119
tendency to make bad decisions when it
comes to development and providing water

553
00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:01,200
and making promises about what water
we're going to provide. If you want to

554
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:04,839
develop, we'll supply the volume. the
pressure is your problem.

555
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:11,119
» That's that's really if if if you're not
getting the pressure in the development,

556
00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:14,079
you don't think you're going to get the
pressure you need and you think it's

557
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:17,960
going to need a booster, that's on the
developer to put in the booster.

558
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:25,200
We get 20 pounds. That's what the ANR
requires us to get is 20 pounds. If you

559
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:31,040
expect more, it's
>> if we test those five again and it's

560
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:36,079
less than 20, then you fix it. This one
is that the theory

561
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:40,880
» at fire flow 20 psi at fire flow.
>> Is there not even 1,00 gallons per

562
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:44,800
minute at those fire hydrants as of
2022?

563
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:48,720
» That is a 6 in line. When's it turn or
is that a 10inch line?

564
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:53,680
Because we do have 10inch line on the
other side of the highway. But does that

565
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:57,680
run all the way down?
10inch line runs from the well not from

566
00:47:56,319 --> 00:48:02,760
the new tank because it never made it
all the way there but it is 10inch water

567
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,760
line there.

568
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:09,119
» Yeah. Um anyh who uh
>> but it should be

569
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:13,680
» what's that?
>> That line should be fixed and hooked up

570
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:18,079
» to the new tank
>> and Yeah, sure. If we're getting 24 new

571
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:21,839
homes. Are you kidding?
>> Well, we need the volume if we're

572
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:24,800
putting in a boo. That's that's the
opposite of what we should be doing

573
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:30,480
because that wouldn't make it would not
make any sense to connect that new tank

574
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:34,800
the expense of filling and c and using
that tank. Okay. So, it's 31 ft shorter

575
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:37,280
than the current tank. Which means if we
want to fill it, we need to have a

576
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,800
system in place to where it stops
filling before it overfills. Right. We

577
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:45,119
need that in place.
>> Wasn't the idea to have a booster at

578
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:48,079
that tank?
>> Yeah.

579
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:53,440
» And that would improve all the pressure
on that side of the highway.

580
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:58,079
» Yeah. feasible tank to all.
>> Yes, it would.

581
00:48:55,599 --> 00:49:01,920
» Um, we we basically spent a long time
being sold massively overengineered

582
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:03,599
plants.
>> You have to pay their own.

583
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:09,000
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

584
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:09,000
» Gravity's free gift from the univer

585
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:16,720
to the same. There's your pressure and
you gain volume.

586
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,000
» But the Marie Street um
>> you have to pay to pump it.

587
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:25,760
» We shouldn't have pressure issues. I
want to run one of the gauges out there.

588
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:28,079
And I Who do we know down in the street?
>> I have someone.

589
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:30,720
» You know someone want to run a gauge
over there?

590
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:35,440
» Yeah.
>> Terry, would you send when you send that

591
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:38,920
water study, would you send it to the
whole board, too?

592
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:53,599
» Um, yeah. I don't know how much more we
really need to get into this discussion

593
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:56,480
only. We obviously can't agree to
anything without a lot of paper.

594
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:00,720
» Yeah,
>> agree is based on paperwork, not what we

595
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:04,640
want. There was a time when it was agre
things were agreed upon based on what

596
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:09,680
people want. We've got $600,000 worth of
pipe going after nowhere to show how

597
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:12,880
it's a bad idea to do business that way.
>> So,

598
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:17,599
um
>> it's exciting.

599
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:22,160
» Running four new homes. Wonderful.
>> Yeah,

600
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:25,440
» it's expensive.
>> We have we have the capacity in the

601
00:50:24,319 --> 00:50:29,200
sewer
>> and uh

602
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:33,920
» I I think it's wonderful
>> and we are still over we're

603
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:37,359
overproducing on water right now and
we're going to pay another well off.

604
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:42,960
» Yes.
>> So I I would say you're good to go. Uh

605
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:49,760
there will be like I said there will be
work to be done in

606
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:54,559
» No, I can say my opinion is just like I
said it before my opinion is you're good

607
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:58,000
to go. Yes, there's going to be there's
going to be a lot of talk when it comes

608
00:50:56,079 --> 00:51:03,680
to flats and it's going to be a lot of
talk when it comes to each building

609
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:08,559
permit. But I you've been here, you've
done this. Um

610
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:13,119
» there's a lot to consider. I I think
it's wonderful.

611
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,839
» There's just to be clear, don't make any
decisions based on any one of us board

612
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,480
members.
>> It's not an action from the board.

613
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,520
» That is true.
>> It's paperiermâché hopes and dreams.

614
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:24,400
» Yep.
>> We've had that too where letters were

615
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:28,319
sent and it was like, "Oh, this letter
is a cont." No, that's a letter from one

616
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:31,680
board member. That's not contract.
>> So, just Yeah. trying to do things

617
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:38,240
right.
>> Well, let me ask you this. Do you want

618
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:41,920
24 new homes in town? Um, yeah, but I
I've seen

619
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:47,520
where this kind of dough out ultimately
goes long term and I don't like it. I

620
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:52,319
like bigger plats. I like bigger lots. I
like stick built homes. I like value

621
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:56,400
homes. I don't like the you want to
build the lowinccome entry grade homes.

622
00:51:54,720 --> 00:52:02,160
There are an abundance of those in Rapid
City sitting vacant. I don't like that.

623
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:06,800
I want to bring give me give me four
acre plats with 2,00 to 2400 square foot

624
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:10,160
home. I want to bring in the people that
are

625
00:52:08,319 --> 00:52:12,960
that are really
>> I disagree with you about the abundance

626
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:17,520
of
>> me too.

627
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:21,920
» If I were to go do a MLS pull on what
you could buy for less than $300,000

628
00:52:20,319 --> 00:52:26,960
be like four to five houses in the
entire town. No one would want to live

629
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:32,079
there. So, um I can't say anything bad
about the Governor's House program. They

630
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:35,839
um are working hard to get young
families and people in social security

631
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:42,160
to quality home and that's what we want
to do. We're nonprofit and we um are

632
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:47,200
working hard for the community. So, I'm
not opposed to larger class, but I think

633
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:51,839
there's definitely a need for things
that people can afford. Working class is

634
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:54,640
what I would try to help.
So,

635
00:52:52,960 --> 00:53:00,280
» but people on social security, their
checks could be a lot bigger. My check

636
00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:00,280
couldn't afford a house.

637
00:53:01,371 --> 00:53:07,280
[clears throat]
>> And I don't think I would even consider

638
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:12,240
buying a new house at this point.
>> But yeah, I would say um

639
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:16,160
you know, what's the first step to
development? You start doing a

640
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:20,400
preliminary plat, right?
>> That's that's the first step. Start down

641
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:25,280
that road. And
>> is there a way or is there current data

642
00:53:23,359 --> 00:53:30,280
fire to data on those fire hydrants on
that?

643
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,280
» Not that I'm aware of.

644
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:37,000
» We uh if it exists, I think I know who
called fire

645
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:42,640
because he probably would have been the
one who was here when the test was done.

646
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:47,760
» Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We can look into that

647
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:52,240
a little bit later.
Um, all right. Any further on uh on this

648
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:57,599
one here?
>> Did you have any more questions or

649
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:03,079
» I have a preliminary plan?
>> You do have a preliminary plan. Well, I

650
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,079
would love to see that.

651
00:54:05,839 --> 00:54:09,880
» You can show them what you have.

652
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:15,119
» So, it's not 100%
>> right. We're not confirming this. You're

653
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:20,480
not confirming it.
So these exist over here. This is Marie

654
00:54:17,839 --> 00:54:24,079
Street. So this is the preliminary cost
we had. You know, you can see the roads

655
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:27,839
coming in here. We know the utilities
are there. So we bring it over to this

656
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:31,040
and then bring water and sewer up the
street.

657
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:35,200
» It's got the topography. So
>> y

658
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:42,440
these ones are already here. This is
going to be built lots and back here and

659
00:54:38,319 --> 00:54:42,440
it's on this side too. 24.

660
00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:58,720
» So I don't know how this stuff works. So
what do they have to do before the town

661
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:05,599
say
>> yes, we'll do the sewer?

662
00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:08,960
» They have to have
>> the town will do the sewer

663
00:55:07,359 --> 00:55:14,079
» plat. They have to get the
>> the preliminary flat will be applied for

664
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:19,520
and on that approved then we can move
forward with development.

665
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:24,880
» And then we start finalizing plats as
they get done.

666
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:29,040
» All the legal measurements will be in
that plat and

667
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:35,319
» oh okay
>> jet of pipes and so on and so forth.

668
00:55:32,319 --> 00:55:35,319
Okay.

669
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:50,880
that
down by the highway stop on the highways

670
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:54,280
of it.
>> All right. Um

671
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:59,760
» what's funny is the part of one of the
brick grant plans was to turn that all

672
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:06,200
back into a lake. I don't know if you
all heard that. Mitigate the flood risk.

673
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:13,640
It was one thought process.
There was a lot of them

674
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:18,599
onward though.
>> Mhm.

675
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:35,280
» Just one one thing that I wanted to we
have budget sheets. One thing I like to

676
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:41,079
just as developers people here to
develop

677
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:41,079
revenue.

678
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:46,440
What we've got are this huge number
here, right?

679
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:54,720
Just just just an idea that I think
about that I wish more people in town

680
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:57,920
would think about. So, all our roads are
built with general funds, right? Our

681
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,880
attorneys paid with general funds. Our
office staff are paid with general

682
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:06,240
funds. Everything other than water and
sewer happens under general funds. So,

683
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:12,559
here's here's our revenue sheet.
Property taxes 20 26 expected about

684
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:18,480
$75,000 in property taxes from the whole
town.

685
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:22,440
Um sales and use tax
280,000 expected.

686
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:29,839
So, our meat and potatoes as a town to
fund what we need to fund isn't housing.

687
00:57:27,839 --> 00:57:33,280
It's commercial. It's businesses. and
you go out there and you talk to people,

688
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:38,559
they they're not begging for more houses
and they're begging for businesses. So,

689
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:41,040
I'm waiting for a developer to be brave
enough to come in and say, "I'm going to

690
00:57:39,839 --> 00:57:44,240
I'm going to I'm going to build some
businesses. I'm going to I'm going to

691
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:47,359
help you do a tiff district correctly
without a grease plant or any other pipe

692
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:51,839
dreams. We're going to do it correctly
and we're going to instigate the growth

693
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:56,559
of commercial development. We're going
to bring in sales tax and help your city

694
00:57:54,160 --> 00:58:01,599
actually grow, not just look physically
larger, which is what more houses do. So

695
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:04,880
I just I I I really am waiting for the
day when a developer comes in here brave

696
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:08,480
enough to to put up some commercial
structures aggressively restaurants,

697
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:14,240
auto parts stores.
>> The problem requires moreies,

698
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:17,520
» more consumers to be in the area.
>> No, it actually doesn't because there's

699
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,000
already demand all the way down to Hot
Springs.

700
00:58:18,319 --> 00:58:23,680
» There's a lot of people who pass through
this town. There's a a money pipe

701
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:29,119
running from Hot Springs to Rapid City.
And we could we could tap that line to

702
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:32,240
put it in water terms.
There's a lot of money to be made

703
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,440
commercially. We just I don't know. I
don't know why we never seen anybody do

704
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:41,040
it.
>> That's an offline discussion for sure. I

705
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:46,400
would like to make a motion that we
adjourn as the planning and zoning.

706
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:51,680
» Motion made.
>> I'll second that.

707
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:56,160
» Motion seconded. Further discussion?
Seeing none, all those in favor? I

708
00:58:54,720 --> 00:59:00,880
» All right. We are back to the board of
trustees.

709
00:58:58,319 --> 00:59:06,359
Do we need to make a motion to
>> Didn't we do it in one or do we do it

710
00:59:02,799 --> 00:59:06,359
separate this time?

711
00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:14,000
» Do we have to make a motion to start the
meeting

712
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:17,440
» as a board of directors as the board
>> to

713
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:22,720
do one to reconvene at the board of
trustees?

714
00:59:19,839 --> 00:59:27,119
» Thank you guys very much.
>> Motion to reconvene.

715
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:30,079
» Motion made. Do we have a second?
>> Second.

716
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:32,960
» Made and seconded. Further discussion?
Seeing none, all those in favor?

717
00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:36,760
» I
>> I All right.

718
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:50,520
Dr. Another first reading of our two
ordinances.

719
00:59:54,880 --> 01:00:01,599
» When will this go into effect?
>> The 20 days after the second read.

720
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:06,240
» Second grade.
>> Yep.

721
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:09,480
» If we don't have what we have. Okay.
Very good.

722
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:15,559
» Okay.

723
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,359
This is

724
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,760
there is

725
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:44,480
I did have a question
across the way. Whatever happened with

726
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:49,440
still waiting on that?
>> Yeah, that just they haven't got a final

727
01:00:46,319 --> 01:00:52,480
plan still there. So, they met with DOT
on some approaches.

728
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:55,760
» Okay. Because Dan was asking that
earlier.

729
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:59,359
» They um
redone. Haven't gotten anything back.

730
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:04,640
Show that.
>> No worries. Okay. Um sewer regulation. I

731
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:08,240
guess I'll just read it this time. Or do
you want to read it again?

732
01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:15,280
An ordinance to amend town of Hermosa
ordinance chapter 51 sewer regulations

733
01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:20,000
by amending chapter 51 there too to
ensure concise and equitable regulation

734
01:01:17,359 --> 01:01:23,359
of the municipal sewer system in
accordance with and limited to those

735
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:27,520
powers granted by the state of South
Dakota and the United States of America.

736
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:31,040
Be it ordained by the board of trustees
for the town of Hermosa that the town of

737
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:38,040
Hermosa ordinance chapter 51 sewer
regulations be enacted as follows.

738
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:38,040
Chapter 51, sewer regulations.

739
01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:46,240
» So this change
>> first reading last change recommended by

740
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:49,520
Mr. James is I'm very bad
penalty.

741
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:52,319
» Yeah,
the prior one did not really have a

742
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:55,440
penalty. So
>> yeah, it was very vague.

743
01:01:53,440 --> 01:02:00,960
» Yeah. So just I think having something
specific with

744
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:04,880
the prior ordinance did have it. So I
just if you don't have a way to enforce

745
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:07,520
it then it was going to be kind of
problematic.

746
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:10,559
» Good. Thank you.
>> I just went with the state maximum.

747
01:02:09,839 --> 01:02:13,920
» Sure.
>> $500 fine 30 days.

748
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:18,000
» Yeah.
>> I mean people think twice about dumping

749
01:02:15,839 --> 01:02:21,520
sewer in the road.
>> Right. Hopefully.

750
01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:22,480
» Do we need a motion to approve the first
reading?

751
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:24,720
» No.
>> Thank you.

752
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:32,480
» Okay.
>> All right. Anything on this? Anybody?

753
01:02:27,839 --> 01:02:38,319
We got two weeks to look it over and
always revisit.

754
01:02:35,359 --> 01:02:42,799
All right. First reading chapter that's
in business A. Okay. B. New tank

755
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:47,920
approved
some responsibility. Okay. This isn't uh

756
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:52,720
probably having any documentation in it.
Um all right. So the new tank is 350

757
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:56,640
some feet from our water line. We can't
reasonably fill it. If we do if we do

758
01:02:54,720 --> 01:03:01,040
fill it, we can't reasonably train it
because it doesn't actually have a drain

759
01:02:58,319 --> 01:03:06,640
line. Um
the corners that would cut when building

760
01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:11,760
that tank are mindboggling.
Um but anyway, good thing is we did get

761
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:15,280
confirmation from the manufacturer that
they engineered it for worst case

762
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:20,160
scenario so it can sit empty and still
be tolerant of whatever uh South Dakota

763
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:25,200
can throw at it. So we can leave it
empty. um Quinn Construction filled it

764
01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:28,640
to cover their the sealant that they
were responsible for on the lower

765
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:33,520
section of the tank, checked it for
leaks, and then drained it. Um we're at

766
01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:38,000
the point now where the expectation is
that the whole tank would be filled and

767
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:41,440
leak check. But if we fill it with
170,000 gallons water that we can't

768
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:47,599
actually drain and then it gets into
winter and then so they they pumped what

769
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:51,760
they had put in back out so it's
completely empty again. So what they

770
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:56,480
were saying and I guess is how it would
work out is if we decide not to fill it,

771
01:03:54,000 --> 01:04:00,880
we essentially need to weigh their
responsibility and the manufacturer's

772
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:03,880
responsibility for any leaks should they
arise

773
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:11,200
» and we still owe them the same amount?
>> We still we owe them like $54,000 right

774
01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:14,720
now.
>> But if they're not going to do that

775
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:17,920
work, can't that uh
>> Well, it's not like See, that's the

776
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:22,880
thing. It's not work and it's actually
in the manufacturer's requirement that

777
01:04:19,839 --> 01:04:26,319
we provide the water charge. So the only
thing they still have to do is going to

778
01:04:24,319 --> 01:04:30,160
cost them anything
to filling the tank

779
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:34,240
» time. A little bit of time. And then if
they're supposed to empty it, too.

780
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:37,520
» They're not required to do that.
>> They're not required to do that. Okay.

781
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:41,920
» They're required to leak check it.
>> Okay. And I think at the last meeting

782
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:47,119
that I was at, we discussed the fact
that we would ask them if they would be

783
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:52,319
willing to wait till next year to do
that filling and emptying. Did that

784
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:55,119
question get asked of them?
>> They've got they've got to pay their

785
01:04:53,599 --> 01:05:02,319
subcontractors
um is really where it's at. That 10% is

786
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:06,480
the the holding the expectations, right?
We hold this until you fulfill the

787
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:09,480
expectations we have for you.
So,

788
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:24,079
» I'd make a motion we tabled this
particular conversation to the next

789
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:28,119
meeting or the one after that.
>> Motion made. Do we have a second?

790
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:38,640
» Okay. in motion fail for lack of second.
Kathy, you had something to say?

791
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:43,359
» Yeah, I was just wondering how the water
pressure sometimes triples. It doesn't

792
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:48,319
We don't have much hardly any water
pressure at all.

793
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:53,119
» When When are you noticed recently like
within the past few days?

794
01:05:50,799 --> 01:05:58,640
» Last week it started
>> last week, but it goes up and down.

795
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:02,640
» There's times that I can just turn it on
and just come back.

796
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:07,680
So,
we have this ongoing issue with low

797
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:11,039
pressure in town. And right now, it's
cycling

798
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:16,880
the welded tank instead of the bolted
tank. So, it cycles faster because the

799
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:20,880
the the larger tank hold 340,000
gallons. This one we're running on now

800
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:24,799
is about 130. So, the cycling up and
down is happening a lot quicker. So, the

801
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:31,839
pressure fluctuations are happening a
lot more frequently. Um, I don't know

802
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:35,359
why your place would be a trickle, but
um,

803
01:06:33,839 --> 01:06:40,960
because what I do, I monitor one of the
duplexes up on the hill and it stays the

804
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:44,720
minimum up there I see is 24 pounds. The
maximum is about 32. I would figure

805
01:06:42,799 --> 01:06:50,880
you're probably getting three to four
more relatively in both places. So, you

806
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:55,920
should be like 28 29 minimum
35 around there. So, four,

807
01:06:54,799 --> 01:07:00,799
» right?
Mark, is your pressure bad?

808
01:06:58,799 --> 01:07:07,039
» Did you Yeah. Did you gauge it?
>> Yeah, my pressure is poor, but there's a

809
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:13,039
couple things I I need to check just to
make sure my group stops all the way

810
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:17,000
open. And I I don't know. It It is It
low. It is low.

811
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:24,079
» We were at the wellhouse last night and
it was at 40, which is the bottom end.

812
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:30,280
That's when that's it kicks on at 38 PSI
at the wellhouse. case off of 48 PSI.

813
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,280
Um,

814
01:07:33,359 --> 01:07:38,680
» and this is not something you've
experienced in the past.

815
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,559
» Not like this.

816
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:56,720
» Yeah. I mean, we did have a lot of
shifts in direction and flow and

817
01:07:53,119 --> 01:08:00,319
pressure for a period of time there.
Strains, filters may have had an

818
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:03,720
opportunity to catch more than they
usually would.

819
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:14,359
» There's a check.
>> So, we're at 40. I'll go check the Tower

820
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:14,359
Hill tonight again.

821
01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:25,199
But that is that is a near
>> I think near future plan that shouldn't

822
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:28,520
be that hard to implement to get the
pressure statewise.

823
01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:40,719
» Yeah. Um
>> so right now we're talking about giving

824
01:08:35,679 --> 01:08:44,799
the contractor a waiver on his testing
of the whole thing.

825
01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:48,960
» Yeah. essentially saying that we're not
expecting them, we're not holding them

826
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:53,759
to a a final leaf test on the entire
tank.

827
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:59,679
» And it benefits us because we can close
out our contract with them, but it might

828
01:08:56,400 --> 01:09:05,199
bite us in the butt if we
problem down. So, alternatively, we

829
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:10,799
would have to
um bid out and build a drain line at the

830
01:09:08,719 --> 01:09:17,080
very least
because there isn't one now.

831
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:17,080
» How does that happen?

832
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:24,400
» It was I I believe the term used was bid
engineering.

833
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:31,359
» Value engineering.
>> Value engineering. When the tank was

834
01:09:26,799 --> 01:09:36,679
deal when the tank was first uh first
first put out it the the bid came back

835
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:36,679
like 840,000

836
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:45,040
I think some like 840,000 and then it
was value engineered down to 535 which

837
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:50,000
essentially meant the line connecting it
to the town was removed the drain line

838
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:53,120
was removed um when the tank was first
built there were actually open pipe

839
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:56,159
underground missing valves so the
contractor did go in and put that valve

840
01:09:54,560 --> 01:10:01,280
in so they could at least fill it but
yeah it got value engineered to the

841
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,280
point where it doesn't actually function

842
01:10:03,183 --> 01:10:05,203
» [snorts]

843
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:13,360
» We'll find our way to that.
>> Yeah, I don't know. Other than going out

844
01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:17,040
and checking tonight, I haven't
I don't see pressure variations, but I'm

845
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:22,000
at the bottom. I think I'm one of the
lowest altitude houses in town.

846
01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:24,960
» So, even if it did fluctuate a fair bit,
I wouldn't really

847
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:29,040
» You haven't noticed anything here?
>> I don't notice it.

848
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:31,920
» You don't notice it? And you're pretty
much level with him. Well,

849
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:37,560
» I don't even know where he live.
>> A little higher even,

850
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:37,560
» but you haven't noticed anything.

851
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:49,920
» I think I noticed it once,
just slower, you know, but it was not a

852
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:55,600
problem, you know, the next time.
>> You should be minimum 4550.

853
01:10:53,679 --> 01:11:00,719
» But I did notice it once and it was
probably last week sometime. I noticed

854
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:04,560
it twice last week, but it was
shortlived.

855
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:09,719
» Yeah, very shortlived. So, yes, if you
would check into that, that would be

856
01:11:06,719 --> 01:11:09,719
beneficial,

857
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:15,679
but that has nothing to do with the new
tank and the discussion we're

858
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:19,960
» like today. Was yours good, Kathy?
>> I haven't been home much today.

859
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:29,360
» All right. Um, did we don't have any
motion, I think.

860
01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:32,560
I don't even know if we really have
enough detail. Um,

861
01:11:31,679 --> 01:11:36,159
» Scott,
>> yeah, I would be a little concerned if

862
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:39,199
this affects our insurance on the tank.
That's the only concern I have. I don't

863
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:46,960
know. I don't know how that
>> I would have to review the coverage and

864
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:50,159
see if, you know, it's basically
intentionally sort of ignore. I'm

865
01:11:48,719 --> 01:11:53,760
assuming this is the contractor's
recommendation to do this work,

866
01:11:52,239 --> 01:11:59,440
» right? So, we're
>> Yes. group are saying we want to ignore

867
01:11:55,600 --> 01:12:02,000
that. And so I I just that that's my
only thought is that it might be worth

868
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:07,360
looking at that.
>> So I'd make another motion that we table

869
01:12:04,239 --> 01:12:12,239
this and have the attorney look it over
and come back to it next meeting or

870
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:15,280
whenever he is at the time and has
finished looking at it.

871
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:20,400
» Second
>> made and seconded. Further discussion?

872
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:22,239
» Seeing none. All those in favor?
>> I

873
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:26,600
» Okay.
>> Thank you.

874
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,600
Um,

875
01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:36,640
could we take five minutes to recess?
>> I think we're about half.

876
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:39,360
» Yeah.
>> Shouldn't we finish out this

877
01:12:38,719 --> 01:12:44,159
» section?
>> This section.

878
01:12:41,679 --> 01:12:48,760
I mean, one thing left on on old
business and then we can flip the page.

879
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,280
» Um,

880
01:12:52,719 --> 01:12:57,159
It's still uh 7:18.

881
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,920
You better car.

882
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:29,199
» How are you?
>> I'm good. How about you?

883
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:33,800
» Good.
>> Another long day.

884
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,800
» Yeah.

885
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:42,480
Are we going into an executive session
tonight?

886
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,480
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

887
01:13:59,679 --> 01:14:04,560
» Yeah. I don't know what actually
happened.

888
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:13,040
Well, we just kind of walk through, you
know, all garbage bags. People want to

889
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:16,400
walk through and pick up flowers around
your garbage.

890
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:20,760
» Okay.
Well, that sounds like doable.

891
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:34,239
» Yeah.
Yeah. It's a It's not real pretty up

892
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:39,640
there right now because we have
>> Yeah.

893
01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:39,640
Let's see what

894
01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:51,880
there again. They looked into the hands.

895
01:14:52,719 --> 01:15:02,560
So I took my sugar up there and I back.
It was almost dark and I stood over that

896
01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:05,880
shot. [laughter]
>> This is like

897
01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:13,159
Yeah.

898
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:24,320
Okay.
be there playing anyway. Okay,

899
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:28,040
that'll be good.
We don't get a whole bunch

900
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:36,199
of

901
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,640
rain.

902
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:53,000
We have a big

903
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,239
» I never did

904
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:13,120
» I have these little attacks I get where
zombie and diarrhea sick for 40, you

905
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:18,080
know, 24 hours and then I'm better.
>> Okay, just got to go through it now.

906
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:25,199
Yeah,
>> I am so allergic to so many foods

907
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:30,400
» that that can do that to me. So, I never
know if it's going to be just a quick,

908
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:36,040
» you know, 24-hour thing or going to
continue, you know,

909
01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:36,040
» I see you now.

910
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:44,280
» So, you've done allergy testing.
>> Did you get my message earlier, Terry?

911
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:53,880
early about calling back
>> and do

912
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:53,880
» they actually find anything

913
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:09,199
» so
she's

914
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:12,239
» we have to captain though with a few
>> million things

915
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:19,080
» mess it up
Seems like that's

916
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:19,080
» one. It's me.

917
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:29,239
» He keeps like likes to run.
>> Is the mudb

918
01:17:29,679 --> 01:17:33,960
Thank you. I thought I just was

919
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:37,800
» Yeah, I know.

920
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,960
» already

921
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:49,320
Don't play the rain till later.
>> I know. My foot doctor.

922
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:56,120
» How much did you get out of this last

923
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:14,040
» Oh, man.
>> It sounded like a winter blizzard

924
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:14,040
» with pounds. Yes. It was so funny.

925
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:24,199
» Three minutes, you know, four minutes to
get them in there.

926
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:28,360
» Yeah, exactly.

927
01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:50,560
These are really good.
>> Did you take them?

928
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:54,040
» They're really good.
>> What are they called?

929
01:19:03,679 --> 01:19:08,520
Okay,
>> we are

930
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:19,239
reconvening at 7:19 and we are into uh
item C old business affirmed town board

931
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:19,239
position 315 Manning Street Pilates.

932
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:45,600
So my understanding is that this work we
we did approve digging permit, right?

933
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:51,199
» No, we haven't done it and then they
decided they didn't need there. sign.

934
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:55,280
» So, where's this private at? Anybody
wants

935
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:57,840
» across the street and one house down
from me?

936
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:01,560
» No, I mean like where's that? Is it
getting done or

937
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:10,880
» Mr. So that's why we turned in a digging
permit and a rideway permit and waited

938
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:15,360
the last three weeks so we'd be
approved. So, we had to go into the

939
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:18,960
rightway and that was the last statement
was

940
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:22,880
you can work on your own private, but if
you're going to go into the rightway,

941
01:20:20,159 --> 01:20:27,840
you need a digging permit. So, that's
what we waited for and disappointed that

942
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:33,440
there's no digging permit or rightway
permit that were turned in that are on

943
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:38,719
this agenda to be approved that we've
been waiting for. So, we were legal and

944
01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:43,040
not have something come back upon us
because we dug in the rightway. Did Did

945
01:20:41,199 --> 01:20:48,159
we have the permits come in?
>> Well, they did, but then you said you

946
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:51,199
guys said they could do their side. They
didn't need a digging permit for that is

947
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:54,640
my understanding. And then if it was
going to be the rightway that the town

948
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:58,640
was going to do that.
>> I never heard that.

949
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:02,719
» That's what was discussed at the
meeting.

950
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:06,719
» Yeah. And trust the input.
>> So,

951
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:09,600
we're still waiting on the private the
issues in the private line to be fixed.

952
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:15,040
I guess
>> I thought we Yeah, I mean that's what

953
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:20,480
the new ordinance says, right? So, we
were enforcing the new ordinance even

954
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:24,239
though that's not approved yet
>> instead of Okay.

955
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:31,679
» No, there's there was issues there. So,
the the we watched the camera the so it

956
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:34,080
dips the line dips in like two places.
>> And that's not the code that has to be

957
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:40,719
fixed.
>> Yeah. But we had rotor router saying

958
01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:46,719
and they you know they have a few years
of experience saying that the dip was

959
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:50,880
not the issue that the connector was the
issue and then and then that's

960
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:53,440
» do we have that on paper of them saying
the dips aren't an issue?

961
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:55,920
» Uh yes
>> in the

962
01:21:54,159 --> 01:21:57,679
» we do estimate that we got Yeah.
>> that they're not concerned with the

963
01:21:57,199 --> 01:22:01,280
dips.
>> No, it just said that the cause was the

964
01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:06,239
» the connection.
>> The connection. Yeah.

965
01:22:04,639 --> 01:22:08,400
Yeah. Yeah. No, there's definitely a
problem with the connection.

966
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:12,480
» Yeah.
>> We also have the issue of the the bits

967
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:18,159
and the lines.
My memory of the last when we addressed

968
01:22:14,639 --> 01:22:23,120
this the last meeting was that we just
said that maybe we could agree with the

969
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:29,199
homes that if they took care of that
privately then we would take care of the

970
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:33,760
public the public. That's what
>> their private you weren't here. though

971
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:36,239
it was discussed uh later in the
meeting. So, we wanted to present that

972
01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:40,000
to you as my
>> and I'd sure like to know where this

973
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:42,080
code is. It says there's no dips allowed
in a sewer line.

974
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:47,600
» Yeah.
>> I'd love to see that written

975
01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:52,320
» on a private line. There is no such
thing. You know, it occurs and it's

976
01:22:49,679 --> 01:22:57,360
occurred all over this community. But
our biggest patience level has been

977
01:22:55,600 --> 01:23:01,679
fully and solely. I said, if you're
going to get a contractor, fine. then do

978
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:07,120
it because you've done it on two other
precedented situations with half the

979
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:11,760
problems. Otherwise, if we're going to
get a contractor to get a fix so we can

980
01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:17,040
continue not to call Rotorooer to come
in and fix her line that has three kids

981
01:23:14,639 --> 01:23:22,239
and have this continuation, then I guess
we need to go to another level.

982
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:25,920
» Mr. Herro, my memory of when you were in
the room the last time we talked about

983
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:29,679
this was that you guys were agreeing to
do that. So you would you would

984
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:33,679
certainly and I never got approval
without a digging permit and a rightway

985
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:37,120
permit that I can go in there and do
that.

986
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:40,000
» You don't have to have a dig
in the rightway. They have to. That's

987
01:23:38,719 --> 01:23:43,520
where the problem comes in.
>> They're in on their own property. They

988
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:47,120
don't have to have a digging
>> but they need to be on the rightway is

989
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:50,120
the point,
>> right?

990
01:23:54,239 --> 01:24:01,320
» Who are we going to hire?
And when are we gonna

991
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:06,040
go?

992
01:24:19,933 --> 01:24:21,953
[clears throat]

993
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:37,040
Is it all certified?
>> Slope shall comply with state plumbing

994
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:42,159
code requirements. There are state codes
requiring slope in a sewer line.

995
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:45,120
» Dips violate the slope of the sewer
line. It needs to slope.

996
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:49,280
» Wow.
>> To the main.

997
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:53,120
» It has to slope. Not roller coaster. It
has to slope.

998
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:58,960
» State code. Yeah. Well,
>> this is already in the ground. It's been

999
01:24:55,120 --> 01:25:06,040
in the ground for 30 years or 20 years
or I can't even remember how long that

1000
01:25:00,719 --> 01:25:06,040
trailer has been there. And and

1001
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:17,840
they've been waiting a long time and we
need to give them whatever they got

1002
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:22,719
going needs to be done tonight. I mean,
I've heard and heard and heard about how

1003
01:25:20,719 --> 01:25:27,360
this town slows down the building
process um because of all of our

1004
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:31,760
ordinances and our this and our that and
it takes so long to get it. What about

1005
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:37,520
helping out a citizen that's already
here and is having problems? Let's get

1006
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:43,360
this situation decided upon and so they
can go on about their business and have

1007
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:50,000
and have what they need as a homeowner
in our town.

1008
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:55,520
I feel like we we've done the previous
two. I'm not sure why we're not doing

1009
01:25:52,639 --> 01:26:00,000
this one, but if if we're doing this
one,

1010
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:05,600
» we have not done we have approved the
previous two

1011
01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:12,880
somehow. They're different. That's fine.
But if the town is actually serious

1012
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:18,000
about repairing the connection, we
haven't even, as far as I know, looked

1013
01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:22,239
into who's going to do that and get that
quoted and approved,

1014
01:26:20,639 --> 01:26:26,239
right? Because that's our next step,
right?

1015
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:33,920
if if we're serious that we are going to
take care of the connection

1016
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:39,040
and we talked about it.
>> What was the connection?

1017
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:42,239
» Yeah, we have we have video and we have
roar telling us that they have a heck of

1018
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:48,320
a
>> we have two different two different

1019
01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:52,000
supplies telling us this.
So

1020
01:26:50,719 --> 01:26:56,400
» yeah, so
>> we need to make it a priority. Yeah. Get

1021
01:26:54,320 --> 01:27:01,440
it fixed as a board if that's what we're
going to do or we need to tell them that

1022
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:04,880
they can have their contractor do it
because they already have it all set up

1023
01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:10,960
and ready to go
>> and get it done and paid for and pay

1024
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:15,440
that contractor.
>> I mean surely we can do one of those two

1025
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:19,199
things tonight, right?
>> Yeah. haven't seen.

1026
01:27:17,199 --> 01:27:23,600
» Why wouldn't you be able to? There
should be no reason why.

1027
01:27:21,199 --> 01:27:24,639
» This has been on the agenda how many
weeks?

1028
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:30,239
» Oh,
>> and how many times? And and we we need

1029
01:27:28,719 --> 01:27:36,480
to
>> get this done. I mean, if we as a board

1030
01:27:32,719 --> 01:27:42,719
are going to um be say that the city is
responsible or the town is responsible

1031
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:47,199
for that connector, we should approve a
certain

1032
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:53,280
» not to exceed budget. So that um you
know, if I'm the sewer committee and not

1033
01:27:50,159 --> 01:27:58,051
that that seems to matter on this board
or or other boards too, I don't know.

1034
01:27:55,280 --> 01:28:00,639
This is my first board, but uh
[laughter]

1035
01:27:58,719 --> 01:28:04,239
» I think this is all of our first boards.
Yeah. Well, not quite, but um

1036
01:28:03,946 --> 01:28:07,440
[clears throat]
>> except

1037
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:13,199
» anyway.
Uh yeah, not to exceed a certain amount.

1038
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:20,239
And then I as the sewer
uh chairman, I'd be happy to find

1039
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:23,600
somebody to do it for the not to exceed
amount.

1040
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:29,679
Um,
so if we go that route, I can find the

1041
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:33,120
uh contractor
>> who did the other two.

1042
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:36,719
» Action mechanical.
>> Action pricey.

1043
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:41,159
» Well, they are pricey. Yeah.
>> Let me take some citizen input.

1044
01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:41,159
Mechanical.

1045
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:48,080
» It's a home.
>> So, it's in service.

1046
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:54,400
» It is an issue because of our because of
our ordinance. Our ordinance says

1047
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:58,400
from the homeowner's property
>> property line

1048
01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:02,080
» not from the main or from the connection
of the main

1049
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:10,480
» and so that is why there's a little
issue here it the problem is where it

1050
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:14,960
connects which is on in our ordinances
on city property

1051
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:21,360
now the ordinances are going to be
changed and uh but they aren't yet this

1052
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:25,120
is what this says I I mean, are you are
are you trying to delay this so that the

1053
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:30,880
ordinance goes into effect so he has to
pay it? I mean, he's been waiting. He's

1054
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:35,600
been waiting. He she and her three
children have been waiting now. I think

1055
01:29:33,199 --> 01:29:38,480
it's been two months since we first
heard about this situation.

1056
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:42,960
» I don't think you can affect this
situation with the newborn. It's a post

1057
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:46,800
talk law. It would be basically
declaring it after the fact.

1058
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:50,480
» It's not
hard.

1059
01:29:47,679 --> 01:29:52,639
» No. you can't change the rules,
>> right?

1060
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:59,120
» The situation happens.
>> So, I make an I would like to make a

1061
01:29:55,120 --> 01:30:04,960
motion that we uh get it fixed and
somebody can do some price calling and

1062
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:09,679
and um
I think that the houseworth have every

1063
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:17,400
right to know what's going to be
happening by as soon as this Friday.

1064
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:17,400
They've been waiting long enough.

1065
01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:29,920
Uh, if my memory is right, I believe
that you made a motion in the past after

1066
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:36,239
they turned in their dip permit and
stuff that as long as they fixed their

1067
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:42,480
service line, made sure there was no
dips in it or it's up to code and they

1068
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:50,159
still had problems where it hooks to the
main, then the town would go ahead and

1069
01:30:47,679 --> 01:30:51,520
dig that main, but private people can't
go digging.

1070
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,280
» No.
>> By that main,

1071
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:57,840
» right? Exactly.
>> No, but you already gave them permission

1072
01:30:55,679 --> 01:31:01,600
to fix their service line
>> and get the dips and stuff out of it

1073
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:07,520
because you got to have that, like you
say, a down to get to the main. So, fix

1074
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:13,520
that first and if there's still a
problem, then the town can go and fix

1075
01:31:10,639 --> 01:31:18,880
the main where it cooks on because
that's what Alexander did. They made

1076
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:23,280
sure that theirs was okay on their
property, their service line and

1077
01:31:20,639 --> 01:31:26,159
everything, but here it was on the main
where the sat.

1078
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:30,320
» Okay.
>> So, that's uh this is um this is an

1079
01:31:28,239 --> 01:31:35,679
interesting conversation and it points
right back to just how strange it is to

1080
01:31:32,719 --> 01:31:41,360
have this this ordinance set up to where
there's this arbitrary point in space

1081
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:45,679
where the trans the responsibility
shifts from the homeowner to the town.

1082
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:53,120
And um it's really important that we
actually understand why that is a thing.

1083
01:31:50,239 --> 01:31:57,120
So we it isn't state code. It must be
sloped correct. That's that's a state

1084
01:31:54,880 --> 01:32:00,719
code requirement. So if you have an
incorrect slope, let's let's get a

1085
01:31:58,719 --> 01:32:04,480
circle. I need a circle. Can this give
me a circle? Let's say that's the main,

1086
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:09,360
right?
Let's say this is the edge of the house,

1087
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:14,719
right?
If you want a slope and you want that

1088
01:32:12,159 --> 01:32:21,280
slope to be correct, how much digging do
you have to do? You have to dig from the

1089
01:32:18,639 --> 01:32:25,120
connection to the main in one straight
shot.

1090
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:29,199
So if you have this arbitrary point in
space here where the territory the the

1091
01:32:27,199 --> 01:32:33,520
jurisdiction changes, how do you make
this properly? How do you fix this

1092
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:37,280
properly? How do you get a proper slope
from the house all the way to the mate

1093
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:41,600
when you have this arbitrary point in
space where the responsibility shifts

1094
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:45,520
from the homeowner to the town?
>> You you you don't

1095
01:32:43,199 --> 01:32:50,880
» this homeowner did not have a problem
until there was until it the main come

1096
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:57,440
apart. They didn't have a problem
before. It wasn't because of the the

1097
01:32:54,719 --> 01:33:02,480
slope or the inaccurate slope or
whatever in their line. It's because

1098
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:06,880
it's not hooked up to the main. The
connection is not there. It failed like

1099
01:33:05,199 --> 01:33:09,760
the other two have failed. Has
absolutely nothing to do. You don't know

1100
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:13,280
that,
>> Linda. I blocked the video. It's It's

1101
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:15,520
pretty obvious what's going on there.
It's a piece of pipe stuck in the top of

1102
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:20,960
the meat.
>> You're disagreeing with action.

1103
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:24,560
» I'm talking about the video. I block I'm
not talking about disagreeing. This

1104
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:27,280
isn't a This isn't a disagreement
contest.

1105
01:33:25,679 --> 01:33:31,120
» Watch the video. The pipe sticks down
into the main and the brutes have

1106
01:33:29,199 --> 01:33:34,880
protruded in through that hole. The
reason it's happened is because there's

1107
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:38,880
no saddle on that main. It's just a hole
in the top of the pipe. Hole in the top

1108
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:41,520
of the main and a pipe stuck in it.
That's why that happened. That's

1109
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:44,719
obviously an issue. There's a bad
connection there. It didn't have a

1110
01:33:42,639 --> 01:33:47,440
saddle. It was probably done 20, 30
years ago. They didn't use a saddle.

1111
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:52,159
They punched a hole in the top of the
pipe and stuck stuck the service line

1112
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:56,639
in. It doesn't change the fact that the
slope is no good. So what is the correct

1113
01:33:55,120 --> 01:34:00,719
maybe the only correct way to do it
under the ordinances as they are

1114
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:06,400
structured now and actually have this be
a permanent fix legitimate permanent

1115
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:11,840
correct fix to state plumbing code. You
have to run and correct the service line

1116
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:14,239
from the house to the main. You have to
you have to get rid of those dips.

1117
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:18,159
They're not going to tell me that it's
that's going to be perfectly fine once

1118
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:22,400
the main is changed because if water
runs downhill and builds, everything

1119
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:25,280
coming behind it is going to keep
backing up into the house. So, you're

1120
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:28,400
not just going to fix the tap and all of
a sudden everybody everything will be

1121
01:34:26,639 --> 01:34:31,520
perfect. As long as those dips in are in
the line, you are al always going to

1122
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:36,560
have sewer back up into these people's
houses. You have to fix both the slope

1123
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:39,920
and the main connection. So, how do we
do that under our current ordinances

1124
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:43,360
that has this weird arbitrary location
in space where it goes from being the

1125
01:34:41,679 --> 01:34:47,600
homeowner's responsibility to being the
town's responsibility? How do we do

1126
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:51,360
that?
Logically, measure the diff distance,

1127
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:56,320
right? All right. So, what's the
distance? Let's look at let's look at

1128
01:34:53,120 --> 01:35:00,320
back uh let's look back at Silver Smith.
Now, I'm

1129
01:34:58,719 --> 01:35:04,719
kind of actively trying to get us to
where we can understand why the

1130
01:35:02,159 --> 01:35:10,320
ordinances were so broken.
Okay. Simple.

1131
01:35:07,679 --> 01:35:15,360
What's the distance from the main to the
connection? Because that whole length

1132
01:35:11,679 --> 01:35:20,239
needs to be dug up and fixed.
All of it does. It has to. Those dips

1133
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:22,639
are not going to it's not just going to
the problem's not just going to

1134
01:35:21,199 --> 01:35:26,159
magically go away when you change the
saddle. When you have the camera diving

1135
01:35:24,639 --> 01:35:31,760
down into a hole and then swimming back
up. It's not going to work like that.

1136
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:36,400
So, what percentage of this distance is
the town responsible? What percentage is

1137
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:39,679
the property owner responsible?
>> Same as the ordinance says from the

1138
01:35:38,719 --> 01:35:42,800
property line
>> to the main

1139
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:46,400
» to the main is our responsibility and
that's the part that we need to get

1140
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:51,679
fixed.
>> And the part they need to get fixed is

1141
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:56,639
the service line from the home to the
property line. Right.

1142
01:35:54,639 --> 01:35:59,679
» If it needs fixing, if they want to fix
it, I don't think there's

1143
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:04,960
» if it needs fixing to be compliant with
state code, then they need to fix it.

1144
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:09,920
and what
all this money into it and then it fails

1145
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:14,639
anyway.
>> Well,

1146
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:18,239
I mean, we we acknowledge that we have
an issue.

1147
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:21,280
» I just say to your question, Fay, I
mean, if we do fix it and still has a

1148
01:36:20,639 --> 01:36:24,159
problem
>> and it's theirs,

1149
01:36:22,239 --> 01:36:27,760
» then it's a point by that point, we get
a new ordinance and now we get a

1150
01:36:25,679 --> 01:36:32,960
different request, right, under the new
ordinance where it's not a problem.

1151
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:35,280
» Yeah. So, so I think that the whole
thing becomes a moot point maybe at that

1152
01:36:34,639 --> 01:36:38,639
point.
>> I don't know.

1153
01:36:36,239 --> 01:36:41,520
» Yeah, it's true.
>> Fix it.

1154
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:43,199
» So, this problem they're having is under
>> Yes.

1155
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:46,080
» old ordinance. But if they have a
another problem that should be under the

1156
01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:48,239
new ordinance,
>> right,

1157
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:49,840
» then it's not our problem. Right.
>> Right.

1158
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:54,119
» Exactly.
>> I guess we want to deal with it.

1159
01:36:55,040 --> 01:37:02,480
So we can get quotes
for just installing a saddle essentially

1160
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:06,400
is all that job would be is installing a
saddle.

1161
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:09,920
» Well, if we need to change the piping
from the saddle to the property line,

1162
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:15,119
then we better do that.
>> So that's our property. That's not

1163
01:37:12,719 --> 01:37:19,520
» and then at that point then they take
over. Mhm.

1164
01:37:16,639 --> 01:37:23,119
» So let's let's run that visually because
you have to have you have to you have to

1165
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:24,480
understand what you're saying that you
want to do.

1166
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:27,119
» Yeah.
>> I think we understand.

1167
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:33,280
» No, I don't I don't
>> No, that No. So, all right. So there,

1168
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:40,000
let's say this is their pipe now. It
goes up, right? Then it comes up, right?

1169
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:45,520
Then it comes over here, right? Then it
goes down here, right? Then it goes to

1170
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:49,199
the main. Then it saddles it.
So, we're going to replace this length

1171
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:52,560
because let's say imaginarily there's
the property line

1172
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:55,920
when what really should have been
happened

1173
01:37:54,159 --> 01:38:03,040
is that
when I did mine, I did it to the

1174
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:09,360
property line. Chuck came over and and
he hooked it up and fixed, you know, and

1175
01:38:06,159 --> 01:38:16,239
okayed it and and inspected it and
signed off on it. That was it. Do the

1176
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:24,480
property line. I dug it up by hand from
my house to my property line.

1177
01:38:21,679 --> 01:38:29,199
I'm just saying this this has got to be
taken care of. I don't care. I don't

1178
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:36,880
really care what they do on their
property.

1179
01:38:31,679 --> 01:38:44,880
» If if if I am if I am
I am taxed right now. I was I am on this

1180
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:53,119
board to make decisions about the town
and the town's property and the town's

1181
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:58,239
property is where it connects and it is
the town's responsibility by this

1182
01:38:55,840 --> 01:39:03,040
ordinance that we are under right now to
fix it.

1183
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:08,000
» Now, if he is smart, which he's got
enough properties and he doesn't just

1184
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:13,920
love digging up sewer lines. if he's
smart, he'll fix it properly so that he

1185
01:39:11,119 --> 01:39:18,080
don't have any issues. But that's his
deal. That's not mine.

1186
01:39:16,639 --> 01:39:20,560
» I don't think the owner of this property
delivered right now.

1187
01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:25,600
» Well,
>> I don't I don't care whose it is. I do

1188
01:39:23,119 --> 01:39:32,960
not care whose it is. I don't care if
it's mine, yours, Donna's,

1189
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:39,040
Margie's. The ordinance says that we
will fix it from the main to the

1190
01:39:36,480 --> 01:39:43,760
property line and that's what we need to
do. Now, if you want to put regulations

1191
01:39:41,679 --> 01:39:48,480
on the way he hooks up to it when that
is finished,

1192
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:51,679
» go for it. Try it.
>> There already is a state

1193
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:56,719
» well.
There's already code.

1194
01:39:54,639 --> 01:40:00,159
See, I I I guess what what what you're
not really understanding is I want to

1195
01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:03,119
make sure that if the town spends money
fixing this, it is actually fixed

1196
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:06,000
correctly and permanently.
>> Okay? So, put it in there.

1197
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:11,440
» It's not your business.
>> It's not your business. Put it in there

1198
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:17,199
that we have fixed it at this line.
>> We fixed it on this date at this

1199
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:20,560
expense. If it goes bad again, it's
because of you and you can then fix it

1200
01:40:19,440 --> 01:40:25,040
the next time.
>> All right. Just You said it, not me.

1201
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:32,400
» I did say it. Yes. Yeah. I mean, our job
is to follow the current ordinance, fix

1202
01:40:29,199 --> 01:40:39,440
what we're responsible for, and exactly
what Scott said. If they still have an

1203
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:44,560
issue, it's on their side or if it is on
our side, we've just paid them to fix

1204
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:50,639
it. It's under warranty.
>> Um, so

1205
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:57,040
I don't know why. Yeah. Well, you made
clear why it's an issue, but um we have

1206
01:40:54,560 --> 01:41:00,320
a responsibility to follow our ordinance
and pay.

1207
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:06,320
» Is it state code? I want to know. Is it
state code? If we know that a a

1208
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:09,840
resident's pipe is crooked that we force
them to fix it, is that state code?

1209
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:15,440
» No, we can't do that.
>> No, that has nothing that's not in

1210
01:41:12,480 --> 01:41:19,440
there. It's their problem, not ours. Our
problem is what we own and we have to

1211
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:26,719
make sure that is up to stakeholders and
that we are fixing and and giving our

1212
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:31,119
» citizens spent too much time on this.
>> Yeah. How many times go ahead and do

1213
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:36,239
whatever we're going to do right or
wrong get on it. But

1214
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:40,880
» yeah, this is how many meetings and how
many minutes and how how long? A hell of

1215
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:46,880
a lot.
So,

1216
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:55,040
my motion is for us to fix
from our main to the homeowner's

1217
01:41:50,639 --> 01:42:00,639
property line and try to work with
whoever the homeowner is to make sure

1218
01:41:57,679 --> 01:42:03,639
that it is connected properly at at that
time.

1219
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:12,080
And and I would hope that the homeowner
with having that issue could uh be there

1220
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:17,600
for that hour or whatever the time frame
is to make sure it is hooked up properly

1221
01:42:14,480 --> 01:42:22,840
along alongside of our action mechanical
or whoever we are hiring to do so

1222
01:42:26,639 --> 01:42:34,320
fixing the issue.
Then she added from the town main to the

1223
01:42:31,119 --> 01:42:40,520
homeowner property line.
and work with the homeowner to make sure

1224
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:40,520
there's the proper connection.

1225
01:42:44,159 --> 01:42:50,719
» Yeah, it's it's the saddle.
>> Do we know that for sure?

1226
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:54,639
» Yes.
>> Excuse me. I don't mean to use that

1227
01:42:52,400 --> 01:43:02,080
voice. Yes, ma'am. We do
>> it. We have it documented twice by by

1228
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:05,520
Action Mechanical. No, by
>> Rotorooer and by our

1229
01:43:05,119 --> 01:43:09,840
» show
>> videos

1230
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:12,880
» that we already have.
>> Okay. So, uh did we have a motion and

1231
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:17,520
did we have a second?
>> Yes.

1232
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:23,119
» Okay. Motion made and seconded.
>> Okay, Mr. Holdsworth.

1233
01:43:20,159 --> 01:43:28,800
» Thank you. Finally. Um the whole aspect
with your state code is on new

1234
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:31,840
construction. Number one. Number two,
like I say, with the amount of

1235
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:36,800
properties that are in this community,
you're going to find that everywhere.

1236
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:42,239
And number three, when they came it, the
flow was fine all the way to the tap.

1237
01:43:39,679 --> 01:43:46,880
Even with the imperfections of any dips
or anything else going into the tap is

1238
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:50,880
where the whole problem was very
evident. You're very aware of that. I

1239
01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:57,920
mean,
to dramatize this out to the levels that

1240
01:43:53,920 --> 01:44:03,520
it has is ridiculous. And it's an aspect
where quality of life for them has been

1241
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:09,040
the most difficult. I get it. Let's poke
the bear. Let's go

1242
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:14,960
from there. But I would like where the
other contractors were just hired and do

1243
01:44:12,639 --> 01:44:19,280
it. We didn't have to go probe for costs
and till they got done with the job. You

1244
01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:26,239
have no clue.
>> Yep. So, I'd appreciate it that the

1245
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:31,760
contractor has either called and made
arrangements to get over there, that you

1246
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:36,320
have an inspector, that you have
cameras, that you have 811, somebody

1247
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:41,199
that's going to be able to do the
locates

1248
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:46,719
and get it done. Otherwise, as I said,
you can't put a contractor there and you

1249
01:44:43,440 --> 01:44:51,360
give me permission and approve digging
and rideway permits that I turned in

1250
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:54,880
that never got considered.
We'll hire the contractor and you

1251
01:44:53,040 --> 01:45:00,400
reimburse us.
>> I have no problem either way.

1252
01:44:58,480 --> 01:45:04,320
But I'm tired of them not having their
qualities of life have to worry about

1253
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:10,880
this. That's going to happen. Yes.
>> On a weekend when they have family

1254
01:45:06,159 --> 01:45:17,119
gathering. Terry, did we have a a quote
from Rotorooer on on this property?

1255
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:22,639
» No.
>> Action Mechanical

1256
01:45:19,199 --> 01:45:26,000
Twitter doesn't do it.
>> Sorry, I keep getting back. John had

1257
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:29,639
hired Action. He's the one that had
gotten Action Mechanical,000.

1258
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:37,600
» Yeah, it was 500 bucks or No, 5,000
5,000.

1259
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:43,840
» I think something that
the board should consider is that in my

1260
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:48,320
opinion, and I am no attorney, but in my
opinion, whoever owns this house has the

1261
01:45:46,719 --> 01:45:51,360
right to sue this city because it has
not been handled.

1262
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:57,920
» Well, let's not go there. Come on, let's
get it over with. We've had the truth.

1263
01:45:54,639 --> 01:46:00,920
» Yes, we have. It's time to vote and shut
up.

1264
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:13,360
I'll call for the vote then.
>> You need to do a super majority to call

1265
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:17,760
for a vote. Anyway, um yeah. So, this is
it's good. It's good that the ordinances

1266
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:21,440
are going to change and we won't have to
well hopefully the ordinances change and

1267
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:26,800
we won't have to have discussions like
this anymore. It'll be black and white.

1268
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:28,800
It'll be super smooth, super easy, super
straightforward. There's a lot of other

1269
01:46:28,159 --> 01:46:33,600
places.
>> One thing about we have to figure out it

1270
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:37,280
wasn't us that made the ordinance, not
this board. It was previous board

1271
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:41,679
members and they should have been
thinking about this stuff.

1272
01:46:39,440 --> 01:46:45,440
» Well, the thing about Joan property, she
was complaining about that years ago

1273
01:46:43,440 --> 01:46:50,400
when there was a different board
>> and they denied her.

1274
01:46:47,679 --> 01:46:55,760
» So, riddle me that.
>> It never got denied.

1275
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:58,639
» It never got done.
>> It never got done.

1276
01:46:58,239 --> 01:47:03,040
» Yeah.
>> And that has nothing to do with this.

1277
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:07,840
» Yeah.
>> Okay. Um, so what's this motion?

1278
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:09,600
» Supply is going to drive me.
>> Issue.

1279
01:47:08,480 --> 01:47:14,560
» It is confusing.
>> And from the town main to the

1280
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:19,800
homeowner's property line and working
with the homeowner to make sure there's

1281
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:19,800
a proper connection.

1282
01:47:22,239 --> 01:47:27,480
» Working with the homeowner to make sure
there's a proper connection.

1283
01:47:30,480 --> 01:47:34,560
» We just need to dig it up and put a
saddle on there. That's all the town has

1284
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:37,679
to do.
>> Yeah. Doesn't need to go all the way to

1285
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:41,840
the property line.
>> Yes, it does. According to our current,

1286
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:43,600
» we don't need We only need to do work on
what's broken.

1287
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:46,159
» That's true.
>> And it's just the saddle connection

1288
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:50,080
that's broken. Right.
>> That's what we've been looking at.

1289
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:53,080
» All right. So, I'll make a motion to
amend.

1290
01:47:57,280 --> 01:48:01,080
» I hope that's all.

1291
01:48:03,119 --> 01:48:06,520
to the following.

1292
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:13,800
Approve the sourcing of a contractor

1293
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:25,679
to replace and or install a proper
saddle for the connection to the main

1294
01:48:22,159 --> 01:48:30,960
sewer at
15 Street. I

1295
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:35,960
» second that.
to replace andor install proper saddle

1296
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:42,480
the

1297
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:07,119
seconded.
>> Yep.

1298
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:10,960
» Further discussion on this amendment.
Are you sure you don't want to take it

1299
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:15,600
all the way to the property line so that
it I mean a while ago you said if you're

1300
01:49:13,679 --> 01:49:19,119
touching anything we need to redo all
the piping in the step that was out of

1301
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:22,000
your mouth.
>> Everybody else says the only thing

1302
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:25,040
that's wrong is the connection to the
main. So why would you send to us fix

1303
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:27,679
anything other than the connection to
the

1304
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:31,199
» because you're in there already and we
own it. That's why

1305
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:34,560
» if we're worried about being in there
already, we would just come up with an

1306
01:49:33,199 --> 01:49:38,560
agreement between us and the property
owner to fix the whole room and share

1307
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:41,119
the cost proportionally based on who's
responsible for what.

1308
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:45,440
» Well, wouldn't that be?
>> We could.

1309
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:49,360
There's no reason we couldn't.
>> Is that what the homeowner wants?

1310
01:49:47,679 --> 01:49:53,280
» And that's what I talked about a long
time ago. If we were going to come in

1311
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:58,719
with my contractor, you're going to
reimburse it. We take pictures.

1312
01:49:55,440 --> 01:50:03,679
reinspected three weeks ago that we
could look at that aspect other than the

1313
01:50:01,199 --> 01:50:08,960
tape showed that pipe isn't what's
causing the problem. They dig that main

1314
01:50:06,159 --> 01:50:12,719
out. They repair that saddle and there's
a problem with that part of the pipe.

1315
01:50:11,119 --> 01:50:17,840
When they repair the saddle and they
have to redo that part of the pipe to

1316
01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:22,159
fit it to the saddle, then the town's
responsible for that. If that happens to

1317
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:26,800
where they've got to go back farther to
you make that connection because of the

1318
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:32,639
saddle that's being applied on there,
then that is your responsibility.

1319
01:50:30,239 --> 01:50:37,600
» But you're not willing to negotiate for
a correction tire

1320
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:39,840
» two months ago.
>> Um

1321
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:46,320
» because that's that was never
considered. Um the difference between

1322
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:51,360
that one and this one is who is choosing
which which company to come in and do

1323
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:56,639
it. Right.
It does make more sense if the company

1324
01:50:54,159 --> 01:50:59,119
comes in and does the whole line at
once.

1325
01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:06,320
» Yep.
>> And that was the original ask from the

1326
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:10,560
homeowner. Now now we're considering
doing that again. Are we considering

1327
01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:17,360
that as a board only
if we uh pick who the contractor is or

1328
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:24,639
can we just
>> I don't recall ever any consideration at

1329
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:27,679
all of anything beyond just me.
Right. If there was if there was an

1330
01:51:26,159 --> 01:51:30,000
agreement that the work needed to be
done on the private line, it would have

1331
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:33,760
been done because that was approved
weeks ago or considered acceptable weeks

1332
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:39,360
ago, but none of that works.
>> Well, I'm not sure how flat I'm not

1333
01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:47,119
sure. I mean, we didn't motion as a
board that. So, it was never approved

1334
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:49,520
for them to go ahead and do that. They
don't need our appro approval to repair

1335
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:56,159
their
>> well, but they didn't want to do

1336
01:51:51,599 --> 01:51:59,520
anything against what we wanted because
they didn't want to hinder the process

1337
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:04,159
or
>> Why would they dig it up and have that

1338
01:52:01,440 --> 01:52:10,840
ditch until 3 weeks later or a month
later when we approved to do what we're

1339
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:10,840
supposed to do? I mean, seriously,

1340
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:19,440
you can't expect them to have done that
waiting for us to then hire a contractor

1341
01:52:17,599 --> 01:52:22,239
to do our part.
>> Yeah, cuz you really want them done.

1342
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:25,440
» I mean, they got kids. They don't want
them ditches open.

1343
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:28,800
» Well,
it makes a lot more sense to just do it

1344
01:52:27,119 --> 01:52:31,920
all at once and share the cost of the
port that

1345
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:34,880
» Dan, are you willing to do that at this
point in time?

1346
01:52:33,119 --> 01:52:39,440
» Like I said, we have applied for a daily
grant to go the right way. do the thing

1347
01:52:37,119 --> 01:52:44,560
the right way and the rightway permit in
case we had to go that far and we got

1348
01:52:42,719 --> 01:52:47,920
nothing but stall
>> the whole time.

1349
01:52:46,639 --> 01:52:53,280
» Now, we were told at one point that
there wasn't going to be danger.

1350
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:55,760
» Yeah, we were we we had somebody stand
right there and tell us that there was

1351
01:52:54,480 --> 01:52:59,280
no digging that was going to happen in
the rightway. Somebody stand there right

1352
01:52:57,760 --> 01:53:03,280
right there and say that that there was
no digging was going to occur in the

1353
01:53:01,119 --> 01:53:06,639
rightway. We had somebody the contractor
stand stood there and said there's no

1354
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:09,040
digging that's going to happen in the
rightway.

1355
01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:12,800
» Said that
>> I missed that meeting.

1356
01:53:11,199 --> 01:53:16,639
» He said that and then we're like if
you're not digging in the rightway then

1357
01:53:14,239 --> 01:53:24,119
why do you need a permit?
>> It was said right there. We've got

1358
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:24,119
» Okay. So beyond that

1359
01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:29,199
» the contractor who chose to do the work
told us this.

1360
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:35,840
» Okay.
>> Your agent. So, should we consider um

1361
01:53:33,119 --> 01:53:43,119
voting down the current motion and then
doing the let's do the whole pipe and

1362
01:53:39,599 --> 01:53:46,000
portion out the bill? But who's
>> we haven't gotten an okay from Dan yet

1363
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:49,520
on that
>> or from whoever?

1364
01:53:47,599 --> 01:53:54,320
» We get an okay from the property owner
in in our ordinances that we have to get

1365
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:56,639
direct uh agreement with the property
owner.

1366
01:53:55,119 --> 01:54:01,119
» I assume that's funny.
>> Depends on the contract. Oh.

1367
01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:07,599
Yeah. Um I don't know. I mean, we could
get the saddle fixed and say, "All

1368
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:11,840
right, we fix what we're responsible
for. Good luck. Hope it works out."

1369
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:16,480
» That was the lawyer suggestion.
>> Good. And that's what's uh

1370
01:54:13,679 --> 01:54:20,000
» we're still on the amendment, right?
>> Any further discussion on this

1371
01:54:17,679 --> 01:54:25,760
amendment? Seeing none, all those in
favor? I I

1372
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:29,880
» All right. Amendment passed. Back to the
>> Thank you very much. motion.

1373
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:40,040
Now it reads

1374
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:45,400
» 15 sewer issue

1375
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:55,199
property
work with the home to make sure proper

1376
01:54:49,760 --> 01:55:00,400
option and then we amended it to approve
um something

1377
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:04,560
can writing the sort of thing I've
contracted to replace andor install

1378
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:12,239
proper saddle
connect connection to the at 3:15.

1379
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:17,119
» Sounds good. So, we fix the saddle
and then if it's if it's fine, then it's

1380
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:23,280
fine. If not, then it's not our problem,
right? Is that that's where we're at

1381
01:55:20,639 --> 01:55:26,080
after the other ordinance passes? Yeah.
>> Very good.

1382
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:32,719
» All right. [clears throat] Um, any
further discussion, Mr. So, as I

1383
01:55:29,280 --> 01:55:38,400
express, you get in there, you dig that
thing back, and that pipe's got to be

1384
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:43,920
changed to fit that saddle. The town is
responsible to do that.

1385
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:49,840
» You're not going to get by with just a
tap fixed with a saddle with that pipe

1386
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:54,880
coming in. If they've stuffed it in
there and what you're referencing to,

1387
01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:59,520
we've all seen the tape.
So on them circumstances,

1388
01:55:57,280 --> 01:56:03,440
the talent is responsible back to the
property own line to be able to make

1389
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:08,960
sure that is attached and not
obstructing the problems.

1390
01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:11,920
But it's only the connection at the main
that's the problem.

1391
01:56:10,159 --> 01:56:17,840
» And the connection of the pipe to the
main

1392
01:56:14,719 --> 01:56:22,960
to the house problem,
>> the bad d because at some point it was

1393
01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:29,920
not inspected properly from the public
works department to allow that to happen

1394
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:33,840
as it did the other two and however many
more. And it's going to be a tough

1395
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:38,480
circumstances. Even though you change
the ordinance, the town is still

1396
01:56:36,239 --> 01:56:43,040
responsible for its mains. And if
there's a bad tap in that main and the

1397
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:48,480
owner comes back after the town as a
citizen, as a taxpayer, the situation

1398
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:54,639
you're going to have another battle,
especially just changing this and the

1399
01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:58,239
precedences of
>> president doesn't mean anything really.

1400
01:56:56,639 --> 01:57:01,679
That's that's a term that's used in here
all the time. The ordinances are what

1401
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:06,239
need what have value. the ordinances
carry weight. Precedent when there's um

1402
01:57:04,159 --> 01:57:09,199
you may or you may not or you shall or
worse when you deviate from ordinances

1403
01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:13,679
and do something you ought not be doing
and ignore ordinances or ignore state

1404
01:57:11,679 --> 01:57:18,159
plumbing codes. That that's not
precedent. That's we did that wrong. Now

1405
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:21,119
we're not going to do it wrong anymore.
It's

1406
01:57:19,119 --> 01:57:25,520
» my second question is who's the
contractor going to be?

1407
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:28,639
» I guess we'll see. So it's the town's
responsibility, right? So it's the

1408
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:32,000
town's choice who the contractor is.
It's the K's job to make sure they've

1409
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:34,639
got the proper insurance and that
they're actually going to

1410
01:57:32,880 --> 01:57:38,239
photographically document the work they
do because that seems to be such a hard

1411
01:57:36,639 --> 01:57:42,320
thing to get is just take a lot of
pictures and we have proof of what you

1412
01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:46,639
did and how you did it and so that we
can have files on this stuff, right? And

1413
01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:50,719
as far as the public works, not
expecting that. I saw um minutes I think

1414
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:55,280
it was 2010 that sewer line was worked
on um without any oversight or approval

1415
01:57:53,840 --> 01:58:00,400
at all from the town. It's in the
minutes and absolutely no oversight. So,

1416
01:57:58,159 --> 01:58:03,360
as far as we know, this is the result of
somebody just deciding they're going to

1417
01:58:01,679 --> 01:58:07,520
do it on their own without going to the
public works department

1418
01:58:04,719 --> 01:58:11,360
» and that was a cleanup, not express.
>> So, um anyway, further discussion on

1419
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:14,480
this?
Seeing none, all those in favor?

1420
01:58:14,159 --> 01:58:17,480
I
>> I

1421
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:21,159
» All right.

1422
01:58:24,480 --> 01:58:32,719
» One more.
Oh, when the when they're going to come

1423
01:58:29,360 --> 01:58:38,677
out and do it the word Well, according
to Do you mind me talking?

1424
01:58:35,599 --> 01:58:38,677
» Go ahead. [laughter]

1425
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:46,639
» Uh,
according to what we just voted on the

1426
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:54,960
next meeting, we'll have to approve uh
the the contractor to be the next step.

1427
01:58:51,679 --> 01:58:58,480
» No, we've already approved it. Yeah.
>> Sourcing

1428
01:58:56,159 --> 01:59:01,840
» when we don't have to approve the cost
of it already.

1429
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:07,480
» Okay, good. Well, that makes it a deal
matter.

1430
01:59:03,199 --> 01:59:07,480
» Yeah, I'm glad that's over.

1431
01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:16,920
» Good question. We'll have to call
>> because if we're going to work with the

1432
01:59:12,239 --> 01:59:16,920
contractor, then we would like to know.

1433
01:59:17,119 --> 01:59:22,960
» Oh, that's not a part of the motion.
>> Who who who is uh

1434
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:25,920
» it's the town's responsibility. It's the
town's authority. We're going to do it.

1435
01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:27,920
We're not going to ask questions. We're
not going to get permission. We're going

1436
01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:31,679
to do it.
>> Well, that's not what he's asking. I

1437
01:59:29,679 --> 01:59:35,599
think what he's asking, I'm not to put
words in your mouth, but I think what

1438
01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:38,880
he's asking is let me know who it is so
that I can coordinate

1439
01:59:37,840 --> 01:59:43,199
the the
>> coordinate what?

1440
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:48,719
» Coordinate the repair of the pro uh pipe
on on the private property.

1441
01:59:46,320 --> 01:59:53,360
» Well, no, he didn't say that, but I'm
thinking a citizen has the right to know

1442
01:59:51,119 --> 01:59:56,239
who's going to come when and and make
when their water's turned off and all of

1443
01:59:55,520 --> 02:00:01,840
that.
>> Okay, we voted. Let's go on. I'm tired

1444
01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:07,280
of this one.
>> Right there with you. All right,

1445
02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:11,840
» approve mowing of town property. Buses
long hair.

1446
02:00:09,199 --> 02:00:15,760
» I do not think property needs to be
mowed.

1447
02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:19,679
» No spots that need to be done.
>> That needs to be sprayed. Those are too

1448
02:00:18,239 --> 02:00:23,760
thick to even mow now.
>> Well, I'm not talking about the weeds.

1449
02:00:21,599 --> 02:00:26,560
I'm just talking about the mowing.
>> Well, Mark has been running around town

1450
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:28,800
mowing here.
>> I didn't notice that.

1451
02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:33,520
» Huh?
>> I noticed that.

1452
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:37,760
» And it's my lawn mower, so his time my
mower. So, I guess we got it handled.

1453
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:44,560
And if you want to mow it, if you want
to do those weeds over the lagoon, you

1454
02:00:40,400 --> 02:00:47,119
need to spray them. There is no way
>> with that riff wrap on there to be able

1455
02:00:46,719 --> 02:00:52,719
to
>> the rip wrap. Yeah. You can't get any

1456
02:00:49,440 --> 02:00:59,199
more lost. So, I suggest that we need to
call one chemical and have them come

1457
02:00:55,920 --> 02:01:07,159
down and look at that as they decide
what kind of spray we need to use for

1458
02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:07,159
that and have them spray it.

1459
02:01:07,199 --> 02:01:13,119
» Yeah, that's definitely high priority.
Um,

1460
02:01:11,679 --> 02:01:15,920
so you guys don't think we need to do
another round of

1461
02:01:14,320 --> 02:01:20,159
» No,
>> but we So the only area that really

1462
02:01:17,599 --> 02:01:21,679
needs to be hammered on is the lagoon.
>> Yeah.

1463
02:01:20,480 --> 02:01:24,000
» Everything else is pretty much set
except

1464
02:01:22,320 --> 02:01:28,000
» I don't see I haven't seen any spots
that are bad.

1465
02:01:25,599 --> 02:01:32,239
» No, I think Kathy and I are going to
weedy out here next week when we both

1466
02:01:30,960 --> 02:01:36,960
have some tide
>> because I know Mark did mow some here.

1467
02:01:34,639 --> 02:01:41,520
» Yep. So, if the risk of mowing near,
well, the risk of mowing near the

1468
02:01:38,239 --> 02:01:45,920
lagoons is, you know, it's obvious. Um,
we need to get the town I think, yeah, I

1469
02:01:43,440 --> 02:01:47,840
want to bring the town mower over the
>> and Mark City would help us with that,

1470
02:01:47,520 --> 02:01:51,679
too.
>> Wastewater treatment plant and that

1471
02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:58,080
would be the waste mower essentially.
And we can mow what can be mowed and

1472
02:01:54,719 --> 02:02:00,880
then spray what has to be sprayed. But,
you know, nobody needs to be going

1473
02:01:59,599 --> 02:02:06,480
anywhere near that with your help.
That's just

1474
02:02:02,239 --> 02:02:09,360
» Yeah, I wasn't about that. Um
um

1475
02:02:07,280 --> 02:02:14,159
» we're responsible all inside the fence.
Do we have any responsibility outside

1476
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:17,320
the fence or is that pretty hard over to
the

1477
02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:17,320
» neighbor?

1478
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:22,719
I don't
>> I would think we would need to handle it

1479
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:27,520
on the edge of our road
>> to get in there

1480
02:02:25,840 --> 02:02:32,400
fairly
because we don't want to take any hay or

1481
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:38,400
whatever that they cut. But I would
think that the first swath or whatever

1482
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:43,840
next on each side of the road would be
>> edit whatever. Yes.

1483
02:02:41,599 --> 02:02:48,320
» Yeah.
>> So we we do not need any mowing from

1484
02:02:47,199 --> 02:02:49,840
Charlie then.
>> Not this round.

1485
02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:53,520
» Okay.
>> Sounds like

1486
02:02:51,599 --> 02:02:57,840
» he contacted me and he would have had
time this weekend if we needed him. But

1487
02:02:55,840 --> 02:03:02,480
I will contact him and tell him that
>> he called me in. I said we would be on

1488
02:03:00,639 --> 02:03:05,040
the agenda and then we'd let them know.
>> Sounds like the volunteer crew's been

1489
02:03:03,760 --> 02:03:07,280
running around.
>> Yes.

1490
02:03:05,679 --> 02:03:12,880
» Not going to complain about that.
>> I just have a question. Is it town

1491
02:03:09,679 --> 02:03:18,239
property or is it property of the
homeowner where you turn to come north

1492
02:03:15,360 --> 02:03:22,239
into our court?
That's where the

1493
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:26,320
» So the where the big ditch is
>> where the mailboxes are. Not where the

1494
02:03:24,320 --> 02:03:30,480
mailboxes are. No. back on the main
highway because the weeds are tall on

1495
02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:38,440
that corner
>> and I didn't know if that's my you know

1496
02:03:33,199 --> 02:03:38,440
I talked to Crystal and asking about it

1497
02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:44,800
» cuz you that's his property.
>> Oh in in Yeah. No, we don't touch

1498
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:48,480
anything.
>> We've never touched anything down there.

1499
02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:53,239
» That's all.
>> That's what I wondered. I didn't know.

1500
02:03:50,239 --> 02:03:53,239
» Yeah.

1501
02:03:55,199 --> 02:04:01,840
Um,
>> do we need a courtesy letter to him that

1502
02:03:58,719 --> 02:04:06,480
there's been a complaint uh about that
the weeds in that property and we'd like

1503
02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:10,000
him to
>> handle that

1504
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:14,080
tomorrow? I'll mention
>> we have a store code enforcement.

1505
02:04:12,400 --> 02:04:18,000
» I don't know.
>> I didn't say we were enforcing anything.

1506
02:04:16,159 --> 02:04:21,159
Yeah, just a nice little letter saying,
you know,

1507
02:04:22,239 --> 02:04:28,080
» but if you'll talk to him, that'd be
great.

1508
02:04:25,679 --> 02:04:33,840
» So, I'll just
It's probably more so on his

1509
02:04:32,560 --> 02:04:36,560
rather than
>> Yeah, probably.

1510
02:04:35,440 --> 02:04:40,800
» Thank you, Donna.
>> Get the mower to the

1511
02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:44,239
» I think it'll fit. I think it'll park in
the uh

1512
02:04:42,719 --> 02:04:49,800
east side of the wastewater treatment
plant. I think it just inside the door

1513
02:04:46,480 --> 02:04:49,800
there. Maybe

1514
02:04:53,920 --> 02:04:58,239
» just so it doesn't have because if
that's where it's going to be if that's

1515
02:04:56,800 --> 02:05:02,000
the only place it'll be responsible for
mowing, then that's

1516
02:04:59,440 --> 02:05:04,080
» measure it.
>> Yeah, I measure it where I took it down

1517
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:06,639
there.
>> Well, I need to take it down anyway.

1518
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:09,520
» Okay. Yeah.
>> Oh, to mow.

1519
02:05:07,520 --> 02:05:14,080
» Yeah. whether but just because it'd be
easy if that's where it's going to be

1520
02:05:11,440 --> 02:05:18,320
mowing all the time or that's its only
>> humidated location then to leave it

1521
02:05:15,599 --> 02:05:21,840
there kind of thing.
>> I'd like to say thank you to the

1522
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:23,199
volunteers whoever is doing that.
>> That's very nice.

1523
02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:27,360
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Very good.

1524
02:05:24,159 --> 02:05:33,840
» It is uh a lot of time out of your days
and I appreciate that.

1525
02:05:30,400 --> 02:05:38,400
» Okay, we've got u
55 minutes to get through all the legos.

1526
02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:44,639
Power Hill Road drainage up plan
discussion. Any news on that, Trina?

1527
02:05:41,199 --> 02:05:50,480
» I think I said at the last meeting, I
have not had any luck finding somebody

1528
02:05:47,679 --> 02:05:57,040
that's willing to give us a quote. So,
if anybody else could um look into it,

1529
02:05:54,239 --> 02:05:59,920
that would be great.
>> Yeah.

1530
02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:03,840
» So, we'll just leave that one on hold
for now.

1531
02:06:01,679 --> 02:06:10,400
Um discussion on pursuing contract and
animal control services. Oh, that's me.

1532
02:06:07,119 --> 02:06:17,199
Um, yes, I talked to the executive
director at the Black Sea Society. Um,

1533
02:06:14,560 --> 02:06:21,520
but they only have one animal control
employee,

1534
02:06:19,199 --> 02:06:26,159
so they can't really help us out, but
when they hire another one, which might

1535
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:32,000
be in the near future, um, we can talk
to them again about it.

1536
02:06:29,440 --> 02:06:37,360
That's all I got.
>> So, we're still in a holding pattern.

1537
02:06:33,440 --> 02:06:42,079
What you have to do? All right.
Approved flood plane administrator and

1538
02:06:39,199 --> 02:06:45,719
liaison appointment
that we have.

1539
02:06:46,239 --> 02:06:50,840
» Did did the contract end up in here?

1540
02:07:02,719 --> 02:07:07,159
» Mr. Ben, did you get a chance to look?

1541
02:07:09,599 --> 02:07:15,719
» I don't see it.
>> No,

1542
02:07:12,079 --> 02:07:15,719
» I don't have mine.

1543
02:07:17,520 --> 02:07:20,520
long

1544
02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:24,920
group

1545
02:07:27,360 --> 02:07:32,040
is
>> um

1546
02:07:32,320 --> 02:07:40,400
» did we what did we have one person
wanting to do it? only one person that

1547
02:07:36,400 --> 02:07:45,040
we really found. But um so uh Dan Fe has
kind of been keeping an eye on things

1548
02:07:43,119 --> 02:07:48,079
» going on, paying attention to the town
and he really wants to be able to help

1549
02:07:46,400 --> 02:07:51,199
and we find ourselves in need of flood
plane administrator who knows

1550
02:07:49,920 --> 02:07:56,400
» because
>> yeah [clears throat] because um I guess

1551
02:07:53,440 --> 02:07:59,840
Elmer really is I guess we could say
retired

1552
02:07:57,760 --> 02:08:04,239
» at this point is fair to say and we have
to have a flood plane administrator. We

1553
02:08:01,679 --> 02:08:07,199
saw several discussions tonight
>> that become

1554
02:08:05,280 --> 02:08:09,040
» a nasty nightmare without a flood plane
administrator.

1555
02:08:08,159 --> 02:08:12,639
» Yep.
>> So he's willing to do it.

1556
02:08:10,960 --> 02:08:15,840
» Um
and on the other side of things, we want

1557
02:08:14,239 --> 02:08:21,679
to see if it's possible to get the brick
ramp back on rails. And we need somebody

1558
02:08:19,440 --> 02:08:27,360
who can bridge the gap between where
things kind of came apart and where they

1559
02:08:24,800 --> 02:08:32,079
need to go. Um we're going to need a new
RFQ.

1560
02:08:29,280 --> 02:08:35,599
» Yeah, a new RFQ. We're going to need to
have somebody who can look at what's

1561
02:08:33,520 --> 02:08:39,119
been done and tell us what value we've
gotten from it. We're going to we're

1562
02:08:37,199 --> 02:08:44,960
going to need somebody who can get us to
the point where we know what we have and

1563
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:49,920
can ask another engineering firm to pick
up where they left off.

1564
02:08:47,679 --> 02:08:54,079
» And
point in that line,

1565
02:08:51,119 --> 02:08:59,040
» yeah,
he's familiar with our town. He's got a

1566
02:08:56,800 --> 02:09:03,920
vested interest now.
Um,

1567
02:09:01,119 --> 02:09:07,679
» how does he have a vested interest?
>> He's he ca he came out. He saw the town.

1568
02:09:06,079 --> 02:09:08,400
He looked I showed him around. I showed
him

1569
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:11,840
» Okay.
>> under the bridge. He's he actually got

1570
02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:15,280
to be boots on the ground and see the
railroad trust that people talk about.

1571
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:20,159
He got to see Ferguson subdivision and
he got he got to see all this and

1572
02:09:18,000 --> 02:09:25,199
actually see how it all plays out.
>> And did did anybody else get that was

1573
02:09:23,040 --> 02:09:31,679
interested in that job
>> get that? Uh, did we did we put it out

1574
02:09:28,239 --> 02:09:37,199
there? I mean, have we publicized it?
>> No, we didn't really publish publicize

1575
02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:41,320
it or publish it or anything.
I mean, it's a professional services

1576
02:09:46,400 --> 02:09:53,360
» and I don't know, but I don't know.
>> Just pick up and go. I mean,

1577
02:09:50,320 --> 02:10:00,079
» it's just a big decision to not have any
paperwork and that this paperwork was

1578
02:09:56,560 --> 02:10:06,560
done and given to him. Why the hell did
it not happen to get into our mailboxes,

1579
02:10:03,119 --> 02:10:12,079
our emails? What the heck's going on?
>> So, I I would just like to make a motion

1580
02:10:08,560 --> 02:10:15,760
that we uh make pend this till the next
meeting so we can all go through the

1581
02:10:13,920 --> 02:10:21,920
paperwork and see if there's anybody
else interested in this position.

1582
02:10:19,599 --> 02:10:26,000
because that's that's how we would do
that's how we would normally do

1583
02:10:23,360 --> 02:10:37,280
anything. We would advertise it or make
phone calls and and so that we would

1584
02:10:28,719 --> 02:10:41,040
have a a fair um competition, a fair uh
>> my my last impression was that

1585
02:10:39,199 --> 02:10:44,480
everybody's really scared that we aren't
going to get the Brit picked up again

1586
02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:52,719
and moving again.
>> And that's true. and he's

1587
02:10:48,960 --> 02:10:56,000
brave enough, crazy enough.
>> Well, I'm I'm glad he is. I'm glad we

1588
02:10:54,560 --> 02:11:01,760
found somebody, but that doesn't mean we
won't find somebody else.

1589
02:10:59,119 --> 02:11:04,719
» What's God's impression of the
>> I don't have any issues with the

1590
02:11:02,960 --> 02:11:09,119
contract. It has a very good uh
provisions for if there's a default or

1591
02:11:07,360 --> 02:11:14,880
if we need to draw out pull out or
whatever, it's pretty easy to do so. So,

1592
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:21,280
um I like that about it. Uh I will I
will just so the board's aware of like

1593
02:11:17,920 --> 02:11:26,639
the history there with Mr. F. This was
an issue in my brick review. He was one

1594
02:11:24,960 --> 02:11:31,840
of the
>> um subcontractors originally. Of course,

1595
02:11:29,520 --> 02:11:34,560
one of the issues in that review was
that he said he wasn't paid, right? Um

1596
02:11:34,079 --> 02:11:36,320
and
>> yes,

1597
02:11:35,040 --> 02:11:38,880
» and he sort of told us three different
things about whether he wasn't paid,

1598
02:11:37,599 --> 02:11:44,719
wasn't paid.
um in theory he may have a claim, you

1599
02:11:40,639 --> 02:11:47,360
know, for I don't know, but um I just
want to remind everybody that sort of

1600
02:11:46,159 --> 02:11:51,840
did come up before.
>> Yes. And that's that has nothing to do

1601
02:11:49,679 --> 02:11:58,639
with the town either. That is between
the two of them. Um yes, he worked for

1602
02:11:55,199 --> 02:12:03,199
us. He helped. He put in information, um
whatever, but it was not our job to pay

1603
02:12:01,440 --> 02:12:10,840
him. It was
>> Anony's job to pay him. And so that

1604
02:12:06,000 --> 02:12:10,840
matters really not in our decision.

1605
02:12:33,280 --> 02:12:39,840
I I have just heard so many times, well,
you just picked somebody. You didn't put

1606
02:12:37,760 --> 02:12:47,280
it out bit. You just picked who you
wanted to pick from the previous boards

1607
02:12:43,760 --> 02:12:54,000
that I've heard
this board say those kind of things. And

1608
02:12:51,040 --> 02:12:59,880
so, uh,
let it be fair and offer it out there.

1609
02:13:01,679 --> 02:13:11,920
It does concern me if he has a financial
issue with the previous work that he

1610
02:13:08,639 --> 02:13:15,920
submitted to someone else that we might
end up paying.

1611
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:17,760
» Want me to call?
>> No.

1612
02:13:16,320 --> 02:13:21,599
» No. I have the time.
>> I want to read this.

1613
02:13:19,119 --> 02:13:26,360
» Yeah. Anybody
want half a bottle of water that I have

1614
02:13:23,360 --> 02:13:26,360
not?

1615
02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:41,639
» There's no agreement ceiling.
>> What's that?

1616
02:13:36,880 --> 02:13:41,639
» No agreement ceiling on 5.3.

1617
02:13:54,719 --> 02:14:02,719
I think it's great news. I think it's
great news that that this work was done.

1618
02:13:59,119 --> 02:14:08,880
I think it's um inappropriate that it
didn't come to the whole board like it

1619
02:14:04,960 --> 02:14:13,920
should have. Um, and I'd like to read
the whole thing.

1620
02:14:11,440 --> 02:14:18,800
I mean, at first glance, I'm in here for
3 minutes and I can see that that 53

1621
02:14:17,040 --> 02:14:25,199
needs to be filled in. There's other
things. So, I'd like to have time to

1622
02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:30,960
review it and make an intelligent
decision. So, I ask that we table this

1623
02:14:27,679 --> 02:14:35,480
until next meeting. I do see the rates
on the back, so that's nice.

1624
02:14:37,040 --> 02:14:41,760
So, I'm making a motion that we table to
the next meeting.

1625
02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:47,280
» I'll second that motion.
>> It's only a week away, right? Are we

1626
02:14:44,480 --> 02:14:49,840
» Are we changing that? That's finance
offic.

1627
02:14:48,239 --> 02:14:52,400
» I would hope you would change it because
otherwise it's been

1628
02:14:51,840 --> 02:14:53,920
» Yes.
>> Thank you.

1629
02:14:53,360 --> 02:14:56,719
» I mean, it's
>> two two weeks away.

1630
02:14:55,199 --> 02:15:01,599
» I'm all good with the more review time.
I just feel like this is this is a kind

1631
02:14:58,639 --> 02:15:06,000
of a change in change in sentiment from
the we have to absolutely get the brick

1632
02:15:03,440 --> 02:15:08,560
grant going again. It's not we have to
have a grant going again.

1633
02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:12,560
» We absolutely
>> Well, surely we have to.

1634
02:15:09,840 --> 02:15:15,119
» But I also have to make a wise decision.
>> Correct.

1635
02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:20,719
» On what this is.
>> And if for some reason it would have

1636
02:15:17,599 --> 02:15:27,119
just been emailed to me uh at the same
time it was emailed to Scott the thing

1637
02:15:22,880 --> 02:15:30,679
that was this discussion. So
there is that.

1638
02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:38,199
I do find that that's happening a lot.
>> All those in favor?

1639
02:15:38,400 --> 02:15:45,920
» I mean, come on. Let's
>> What are we voting on? All in favor?

1640
02:15:44,159 --> 02:15:51,679
» That's No, you're fine, honey. It wasn't
not you at all.

1641
02:15:47,360 --> 02:15:56,159
» Yeah. To table the um approval of the
>> flood plan administrator. administrator

1642
02:15:53,599 --> 02:16:00,560
and
>> so that we can look at the paperwork and

1643
02:15:58,560 --> 02:16:04,639
maybe call a few other people and see if
there's anybody else interested and then

1644
02:16:02,800 --> 02:16:08,880
deal with it at the next meeting on the
22nd.

1645
02:16:06,000 --> 02:16:14,880
» Let's just hope we don't get any anybody
trying to absolutely do absolutely

1646
02:16:10,880 --> 02:16:19,760
anything luckily.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1647
02:16:18,239 --> 02:16:25,560
I don't even I don't know what kind of
trouble we could get into for approving

1648
02:16:21,760 --> 02:16:25,560
stuff without having blood.

1649
02:16:25,599 --> 02:16:31,840
» Yeah. Well, we should have thought about
that before we fired our guy, too. But

1650
02:16:30,400 --> 02:16:35,599
» flood plane administrator. We didn't
fight.

1651
02:16:33,280 --> 02:16:40,800
» We didn't lose everything else.
>> We

1652
02:16:37,840 --> 02:16:45,599
voluntarily retire that we didn't need
to do anyway.

1653
02:16:42,880 --> 02:16:50,240
» Yeah. Um so motion on the floor is to
table. Any further discussion?

1654
02:16:48,399 --> 02:16:53,880
Seeing none, all those in favor?
>> I I

1655
02:16:54,240 --> 02:16:58,639
» Okay,
>> thank you.

1656
02:16:56,880 --> 02:17:03,120
» Uh approve RFU infrastructure
remediation strategic approach. Okay, so

1657
02:17:01,280 --> 02:17:05,840
this is another size. I don't I was
going to have something ready, but I

1658
02:17:04,319 --> 02:17:11,040
don't have something ready because I've
been sick for almost a week and a half.

1659
02:17:09,040 --> 02:17:15,040
» My brain just wasn't at capacity. So,
here's here's what we go out, though. We

1660
02:17:12,960 --> 02:17:17,920
know there are very limited number of
things that do need engineering

1661
02:17:16,800 --> 02:17:23,040
attention.
>> Very limited. Um, I think the majority

1662
02:17:20,960 --> 02:17:28,160
of people in town don't want us to do
that thing again where we put our all

1663
02:17:24,800 --> 02:17:36,000
our eggs in one basket because,
yeah, none of those chickens hatch. Um,

1664
02:17:32,399 --> 02:17:41,280
and we want to uh make sure that we're
finding someone who's going to be

1665
02:17:38,479 --> 02:17:46,000
efficient and
highly technical and less wanting to get

1666
02:17:44,240 --> 02:17:49,120
involved in the politics and go on
campaigns and all that, right? We want

1667
02:17:47,599 --> 02:17:51,920
we want an engineer who's going to
engineer

1668
02:17:50,319 --> 02:17:56,000
» really, right? Not
>> who's going to engineer things, not try

1669
02:17:53,599 --> 02:18:00,160
to engineer people.
>> Yeah. So, uh, three major issues. North

1670
02:17:58,319 --> 02:18:02,719
Water Sewer, right? We want the Preston
project. We want them to be able to

1671
02:18:01,599 --> 02:18:06,399
develop. So, we do need to get that
sewer line fixed. We also do need to

1672
02:18:04,880 --> 02:18:10,479
consider hooking the tank up, right?
Even if it's not really particularly

1673
02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:13,519
useful, we should look at if we're going
to dig up and work on that sewer line,

1674
02:18:12,240 --> 02:18:18,399
do that connection on the main at the
same to the tank at the same time. So,

1675
02:18:15,840 --> 02:18:21,760
that's one project.
A proposal from an engineering firm of

1676
02:18:20,160 --> 02:18:25,760
how would you approach this issue? We
have we have these issues with these

1677
02:18:23,920 --> 02:18:29,679
lines that need to be corrected. We have
this tank that's not hooked up. And as

1678
02:18:28,080 --> 02:18:33,439
we heard discussed tonight, the tank
isn't even going to be useful when it is

1679
02:18:31,359 --> 02:18:37,599
hooked up.
Engineers, how would you approach this

1680
02:18:35,599 --> 02:18:41,439
problem technically? Don't give us a
resume of the 37 people in your

1681
02:18:39,599 --> 02:18:46,800
partnership network. Tell us technically
how you would solve this problem. Um,

1682
02:18:45,359 --> 02:18:50,559
another big one, the treatment, right?
We got to revisit the treatment. We got

1683
02:18:48,319 --> 02:18:54,800
to know that um we're going to treat
both our wells because treating one well

1684
02:18:52,479 --> 02:18:58,559
doesn't make any sense at all if they
both have radium in them, right? So

1685
02:18:56,639 --> 02:19:01,200
we've got to redesign the treatment. So
that would be another how would you

1686
02:18:59,760 --> 02:19:04,800
technically approach this problem? We
have these two bells. Do we want to

1687
02:19:02,880 --> 02:19:08,399
treat them both?
How would you approach that? And then

1688
02:19:06,719 --> 02:19:11,359
the pressure issue that we heard again
tonight. Pressure issue over and over

1689
02:19:10,160 --> 02:19:15,679
again. I want to challenge an
engineering company to see if they can

1690
02:19:12,800 --> 02:19:19,840
solve that using what we have without
building anything new because I I am

1691
02:19:18,479 --> 02:19:26,399
certain it can be done and I want to see
if an engineering company's brave enough

1692
02:19:23,840 --> 02:19:32,880
to explain how they would do it.
Um, so essentially it's not um not a not

1693
02:19:30,399 --> 02:19:35,840
a a request for proposals in the sense
of how much would you charge us to do

1694
02:19:34,240 --> 02:19:40,479
it, but actually technically how would
you approach this problem?

1695
02:19:38,639 --> 02:19:46,080
Let's let's let's look for engineers
that let's start by testing an engineer

1696
02:19:43,359 --> 02:19:52,399
for their ability to to to logically
problem solve. Really,

1697
02:19:50,080 --> 02:19:56,240
not have not figure out ways to get us
to spend money, but figure out ways to

1698
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:59,040
solve our problems.
But we want the price at the same time.

1699
02:19:58,240 --> 02:20:02,720
Of course,
>> this would be purely conceptual. Like

1700
02:20:00,960 --> 02:20:04,319
conceptually, how would you solve this
problem?

1701
02:20:03,359 --> 02:20:09,200
» Okay.
>> Like really, you get you get in a room

1702
02:20:07,120 --> 02:20:12,880
with five engineers and just have a
conversation. This is basically that but

1703
02:20:10,800 --> 02:20:17,840
on paper. You know, if you talk to an
engineer, say, "We got this issue. How

1704
02:20:14,240 --> 02:20:21,359
would you fix it?" I want that on paper.
>> And they'll do that without charging

1705
02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:26,399
them.
>> Yep. They absolutely will.

1706
02:20:24,399 --> 02:20:29,399
That's how they get work.
>> Okay.

1707
02:20:29,920 --> 02:20:35,399
» Yeah.
>> So,

1708
02:20:39,120 --> 02:20:44,960
I mean, I had a conversation in this
room. Was it last week?

1709
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:48,680
» No,
with the engineering intern.

1710
02:20:51,600 --> 02:20:56,240
Let's put it on paper. They didn't have
they didn't have their structural

1711
02:20:54,720 --> 02:21:03,080
engineers, their hydraulic engineers
with them. Tell me, how would you solve

1712
02:21:00,080 --> 02:21:03,080
this?

1713
02:21:04,160 --> 02:21:10,000
So, I'll uh get it written up and send
it out to everybody and everybody can

1714
02:21:07,680 --> 02:21:17,120
have a look. Um,
it doesn't really fall into any of the

1715
02:21:12,720 --> 02:21:22,319
typical uh statutory
pathways for RFQS, RFPs, because you're

1716
02:21:19,760 --> 02:21:25,479
not really sending something out to bid
per se.

1717
02:21:27,760 --> 02:21:35,080
» So, we're just you have to you have to
get this written up and then we have to

1718
02:21:31,760 --> 02:21:35,080
approve that.

1719
02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:43,160
» Yeah, I guess it's I guess so. I still
got to look into how how if there is

1720
02:21:40,160 --> 02:21:43,160
even

1721
02:21:43,200 --> 02:21:49,520
yeah to make sure it's in the stack
through pathways for doing sort of thing

1722
02:21:47,439 --> 02:21:53,760
seeking professional services.
>> Okay.

1723
02:21:52,080 --> 02:21:58,240
» So then we don't need any more
discussion on that. We can move to E.

1724
02:21:55,760 --> 02:22:04,520
» Yeah.
>> This is a simple one. Meters broke. Need

1725
02:22:01,359 --> 02:22:04,520
new meters.

1726
02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:08,040
» What's the cost?

1727
02:22:09,280 --> 02:22:12,280
Um

1728
02:22:12,319 --> 02:22:18,720
» 2646.90.
>> How much is it?

1729
02:22:15,840 --> 02:22:24,560
» $2,646.90.
>> Oh, no. I'm hoping that we approve the

1730
02:22:22,800 --> 02:22:30,399
meter
for

1731
02:22:26,399 --> 02:22:33,960
this pump house to be
repaired, replaced.

1732
02:22:35,439 --> 02:22:41,640
not to not to exceed the cost of $2,647.

1733
02:22:43,920 --> 02:22:50,600
» Motion made. Do we have a second?
>> I'll second that.

1734
02:22:46,080 --> 02:22:50,600
» Made and seconded. Further discussion.

1735
02:22:50,640 --> 02:22:56,479
Um yeah. So Allan, this was probably
going to be a week ago. Called me. He's

1736
02:22:55,120 --> 02:23:00,720
like, "Your meter's dead, man." He's
like, "I can't get nothing out of it."

1737
02:22:58,399 --> 02:23:06,240
Um kind of unfortunate randomness. The
meter we have is a mechanical meter.

1738
02:23:03,840 --> 02:23:10,160
basically has an impeller. He's gonna He
wants us to use a ultrasonic meter and

1739
02:23:08,479 --> 02:23:15,520
we actually have a water operator.
What's your opinion on the ultrasonics?

1740
02:23:13,040 --> 02:23:18,880
» They're far more accurate.
>> Yeah, that was basically his moving

1741
02:23:18,560 --> 02:23:24,680
parts.
>> There's no moving parts

1742
02:23:21,680 --> 02:23:24,680
off

1743
02:23:25,520 --> 02:23:32,960
the course of the lifetime of the year.
>> Yeah. And the one we've got is hold.

1744
02:23:30,800 --> 02:23:38,600
» Yep.
Okay, sounds good to me.

1745
02:23:34,560 --> 02:23:38,600
» Sound like a good price to you?

1746
02:23:38,880 --> 02:23:45,359
» 3 in.
>> 3 in. Yeah, probably.

1747
02:23:41,680 --> 02:23:49,120
» Yeah. All right. No further discussion.
Seeing none, all those in favor?

1748
02:23:47,439 --> 02:23:52,120
» I
>> Okay.

1749
02:23:52,479 --> 02:23:55,479
Uh

1750
02:23:58,080 --> 02:24:05,840
2500 budget for gravel maintenance.
This is just to have some uh

1751
02:24:04,399 --> 02:24:10,560
» have any base force at all.
>> Our stockpile disappeared during my

1752
02:24:08,720 --> 02:24:15,840
hiatus from the streets committee. We
lost yards and yards and yards of base

1753
02:24:13,439 --> 02:24:19,520
force disappeared and I nowhere I have
no idea where in town they ended up. But

1754
02:24:17,760 --> 02:24:23,840
» where are we storing it?
>> Down at the

1755
02:24:20,640 --> 02:24:27,200
» Where are we going to store it now?
>> Should we place

1756
02:24:25,359 --> 02:24:30,960
» what if it got stolen the first time?
Why would you do it? Why would you do it

1757
02:24:29,920 --> 02:24:33,520
» do it again?
>> Lock it up.

1758
02:24:32,240 --> 02:24:36,319
» I mean,
>> shouldn't we?

1759
02:24:34,720 --> 02:24:39,920
» We can't really
>> sure we can. We can put it down at the

1760
02:24:37,920 --> 02:24:43,439
pump house down there.
>> That's gated.

1761
02:24:41,680 --> 02:24:45,520
Fenced and gated.
>> That was my first

1762
02:24:44,319 --> 02:24:52,080
» Then we're going down the highway with
>> buckets. Yes, you are. But I mean, but

1763
02:24:49,520 --> 02:24:58,880
then you have bucket loads of gravel to
go and get right now. You have them

1764
02:24:55,520 --> 02:25:02,640
because it was gone.
Wonder

1765
02:25:00,960 --> 02:25:06,160
got swept out from under our feet.
>> Yeah, this happens. This is why we

1766
02:25:04,880 --> 02:25:09,120
locked stuff up.
>> We've moved the cameras from the north

1767
02:25:07,520 --> 02:25:14,960
wellhouse and put them down to this owl
pipe.

1768
02:25:10,880 --> 02:25:19,040
» How much ice do we need for it? How much
space do we need to the gravity?

1769
02:25:16,960 --> 02:25:26,760
» Not much.
>> Can we put it there?

1770
02:25:23,120 --> 02:25:26,760
Put it right here.

1771
02:25:29,760 --> 02:25:38,160
I mean here
>> right next

1772
02:25:35,600 --> 02:25:44,560
» or on the side in the main
>> there's still a pile of rip wrap there.

1773
02:25:42,000 --> 02:25:47,560
» So that wasn't
misdirected.

1774
02:25:49,600 --> 02:25:53,600
» Well, this is just to improve the budget
where it goes.

1775
02:25:54,479 --> 02:25:58,560
I just I don't want it to disappear
again.

1776
02:25:57,200 --> 02:26:03,760
» Yeah.
>> I mean, that's

1777
02:26:01,920 --> 02:26:09,120
» I'm not saying it I'm not saying that
its use wasn't approved by the

1778
02:26:06,720 --> 02:26:14,560
former street committee person.
>> We don't have any evidence that any

1779
02:26:11,439 --> 02:26:18,080
repairs were done this summer yet.
>> That's that's the thing is like it's it

1780
02:26:16,479 --> 02:26:22,080
is all gone and there's no evidence to
indicate that's

1781
02:26:19,920 --> 02:26:25,359
which
Which seems like we should lock it up.

1782
02:26:24,800 --> 02:26:30,560
» Rock,
>> lock it up. It sounds like we should

1783
02:26:28,160 --> 02:26:35,120
lock it up.
>> Lock up our supply.

1784
02:26:31,760 --> 02:26:39,200
» Behind the fence.
The rock should be behind a fence. We

1785
02:26:37,280 --> 02:26:43,600
got a fence down there. How about we put
it down there? Is that closer?

1786
02:26:41,359 --> 02:26:48,000
» I think the idea of people stealing rock
is ludicrous to me.

1787
02:26:45,040 --> 02:26:54,000
» Oh god. You know how expensive it can
get if you're doing a repair?

1788
02:26:51,200 --> 02:26:56,319
» The the expensive part is moving it. If
you go with your own truck, it's like 40

1789
02:26:55,840 --> 02:26:59,280
bucks.
>> So, so then we're going to put it down

1790
02:26:57,760 --> 02:27:02,399
there and we're going to okay people to
use it then.

1791
02:27:00,880 --> 02:27:05,840
» I mean, that's kind of what you're
saying. That's kind of sort of what you

1792
02:27:04,000 --> 02:27:08,720
said there. Sorry, buddy.
>> I don't do the whole put words in my

1793
02:27:07,280 --> 02:27:13,120
mouth.
>> Not even close.

1794
02:27:09,439 --> 02:27:20,840
» Okay. I will make a motion to approve
this gravel as long as we store it

1795
02:27:16,319 --> 02:27:20,840
behind lock and key.

1796
02:27:21,120 --> 02:27:28,920
» How's that?
>> What motion made? Do we have a second?

1797
02:27:24,960 --> 02:27:28,920
» I'll second that.

1798
02:27:29,359 --> 02:27:33,160
» I mean, think

1799
02:27:33,439 --> 02:27:38,960
» Oh, I don't think it was random people
who just stole it without permission. I

1800
02:27:36,319 --> 02:27:41,920
think the previous administration let it
go.

1801
02:27:40,160 --> 02:27:46,399
» But I don't I don't have you know it's
it's neither here nor there.

1802
02:27:44,080 --> 02:27:48,880
» So why do you mention it?
>> It's taking up time.

1803
02:27:47,359 --> 02:27:53,439
» It was there and now it's not here.
>> Well, you're taking up time. I know. But

1804
02:27:51,280 --> 02:27:55,840
so here we are.
>> We need more. That's the whole point of

1805
02:27:54,800 --> 02:28:00,720
this. We need
>> I just gave you approval. You can put it

1806
02:27:57,760 --> 02:28:06,000
behind a fence. I gave you approval to
get it.

1807
02:28:01,760 --> 02:28:10,160
» Can we put it in the lagoon? Still, we
got Yeah, we got three fenced areas.

1808
02:28:08,800 --> 02:28:15,920
» Yeah,
>> there's got to be somewhere in those

1809
02:28:12,479 --> 02:28:20,800
areas that we can put it. And I guess if
you're wanting it as close as possible,

1810
02:28:18,640 --> 02:28:23,840
is there somewhere up there to put it?
>> Tower Hill.

1811
02:28:21,680 --> 02:28:27,840
» Tower Hill. Is there any place on Tower
Hill to put it? And I know it'll be in

1812
02:28:26,160 --> 02:28:32,479
the way when we do our construction up
there, but when are we doing our

1813
02:28:29,600 --> 02:28:36,399
construction up there? How long does a a
truckload of gravel usually last?

1814
02:28:36,479 --> 02:28:40,920
Depends how it's used.
>> Well,

1815
02:28:41,359 --> 02:28:47,160
let's make sure we document it.
>> Yeah, let's document it.

1816
02:28:47,200 --> 02:28:52,800
» Oh gosh,
>> this is absurd.

1817
02:28:50,479 --> 02:28:57,880
» I agree. Let's move on. Let's get this
handled and move on.

1818
02:28:54,560 --> 02:28:57,880
» It's 8:30.

1819
02:28:58,000 --> 02:29:06,640
» Um, I don't see any reason for it to be
under locking key.

1820
02:29:04,399 --> 02:29:09,439
There was no issue with us having a
reliable source.

1821
02:29:07,600 --> 02:29:12,960
» I have a motion and a second with that.
So,

1822
02:29:09,840 --> 02:29:17,600
» yeah. Okay. All those in favor?
>> I.

1823
02:29:15,680 --> 02:29:21,600
» All those opposed?
>> I

1824
02:29:19,439 --> 02:29:28,920
» All right. I will entertain a motion to
approve a budget of $2,500 for

1825
02:29:25,520 --> 02:29:28,920
gravel maintenance.

1826
02:29:28,960 --> 02:29:35,120
» Motion made. Do we have a second?
I second down.

1827
02:29:33,680 --> 02:29:39,920
» Motion made and seconded. Further
discussion.

1828
02:29:37,680 --> 02:29:42,640
» Where are you putting it?
>> Where it's been?

1829
02:29:41,200 --> 02:29:46,880
» At the park.
>> Okay. I would like to add to that motion

1830
02:29:44,800 --> 02:29:52,479
that I never ever hear another word
about rock being stolen

1831
02:29:50,240 --> 02:29:57,359
in this in this boardroom.
>> I don't expect it to ever happen.

1832
02:29:54,720 --> 02:30:02,720
» I think we need to bear down to business
and twist it.

1833
02:29:59,520 --> 02:30:06,080
» Yeah. I I don't know about anybody else,
but I'm ready to get out of here.

1834
02:30:04,319 --> 02:30:13,120
» Yeah, me too. That's the point.
>> Y um yeah, good points all around. We'll

1835
02:30:10,399 --> 02:30:18,960
uh work on our security,
our critical infrastructure. Um any any

1836
02:30:16,880 --> 02:30:21,600
we have mo made and seconded, right? Any
further? Seeing none, all those in

1837
02:30:21,040 --> 02:30:24,600
favor?
>> I

1838
02:30:25,349 --> 02:30:34,040
[clears throat] It's not critical. It's
not critical if it costs $2,500 and

1839
02:30:29,760 --> 02:30:34,040
you're not putting it on block and key.

1840
02:30:34,240 --> 02:30:41,080
» G. First reading of an ordinance
appropriating funds for the fiscal year.

1841
02:30:41,520 --> 02:30:48,359
» Is that in there?
>> Yes.

1842
02:30:43,760 --> 02:30:48,359
» Kind of got mixed up. It is page 81.

1843
02:30:50,640 --> 02:31:01,800
» So, I have a question about this or do I
have to wait until the first reading?

1844
02:30:56,880 --> 02:31:01,800
What's what's technically proper here?

1845
02:31:09,920 --> 02:31:13,399
» Well, thank you.

1846
02:31:16,000 --> 02:31:19,800
» This has been a fun meeting.

1847
02:31:20,319 --> 02:31:24,120
» We didn't read the heading.

1848
02:31:24,399 --> 02:31:30,800
Can I do it? Go ahead.
>> Town of Formosa ordinance 2.079. An

1849
02:31:29,359 --> 02:31:35,280
ordinance appropriating funds for the
fiscal year 2027. Section one. Be

1850
02:31:33,760 --> 02:31:38,080
ordained by the town of Formosa that the
following sums

1851
02:31:36,640 --> 02:31:41,600
» 27
>> are appropriated to meet the financial

1852
02:31:39,760 --> 02:31:46,720
needs of the municipality for the fiscal
year 2027.

1853
02:31:43,920 --> 02:31:49,520
Um,
>> how much more?

1854
02:31:47,680 --> 02:31:55,040
» Yeah. I mean, do I need to read?
>> General is 495. I would just do

1855
02:31:52,160 --> 02:31:59,240
generalist and that's
>> okay. Under general government

1856
02:32:02,080 --> 02:32:06,600
» 495
>> $495,650

1857
02:32:07,040 --> 02:32:18,160
for water funds. We have $210,600
for sewer funds. We have $211,600

1858
02:32:15,120 --> 02:32:24,439
for BBB funds. We have $20,000 for FEMA
funds. We have $250,000.

1859
02:32:20,560 --> 02:32:24,439
for a total of $1,187,850.

1860
02:32:25,840 --> 02:32:30,160
» That's the revenue and then the expense
of the

1861
02:32:28,640 --> 02:32:33,359
» section two. The following designates
the fund or funds to which the money

1862
02:32:31,760 --> 02:32:39,319
derived from the following sources is
applied. General,

1863
02:32:35,840 --> 02:32:39,319
we have $495,650.

1864
02:32:39,520 --> 02:32:51,840
Water, we have $210,600.
Sewer, we have $211,600.

1865
02:32:47,520 --> 02:32:59,080
BBB funds we have $20,000.
FEMA funds we have $250,000 for a total

1866
02:32:55,840 --> 02:32:59,080
of $1,187,850.

1867
02:33:02,080 --> 02:33:07,439
Section three that there is hereby
levied upon all taxable property within

1868
02:33:05,920 --> 02:33:13,680
the town of Hermosa for the fiscal year
2025 a tax sufficient

1869
02:33:10,479 --> 02:33:18,560
» sorry fiscal year 2027 a tax sufficient
to raise the following funds to it for

1870
02:33:15,760 --> 02:33:22,399
the general fund $76,000 total levy
$76,000

1871
02:33:20,319 --> 02:33:25,760
section four the town finance officer is
hereby authorized and directed to

1872
02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:30,479
certify said tax levy to the Kuster
County auditor of Kuster County state of

1873
02:33:28,000 --> 02:33:35,120
South Dakota to the end to the end that
the same may be spread in assessed as

1874
02:33:32,800 --> 02:33:38,960
provided by law dated this first day of
September 2027.

1875
02:33:36,720 --> 02:33:43,359
» The eth day of
>> this 8th day of September 2020

1876
02:33:42,640 --> 02:33:47,280
» six
>> under section four.

1877
02:33:45,920 --> 02:33:52,240
Oh yeah. Okay.
>> Dated this 8th day of September 2026.

1878
02:33:51,359 --> 02:33:55,200
» There we go.
>> Yep.

1879
02:33:53,680 --> 02:34:00,080
» Okay.
>> I have a couple questions about the

1880
02:33:56,960 --> 02:34:05,840
budget. Um, so I guess you can
technically say this is a memory issue.

1881
02:34:02,800 --> 02:34:09,760
So when we were doing the budget, um, I
did recall a few days afterwards that

1882
02:34:08,080 --> 02:34:13,120
there was nothing in there for the meter
reader

1883
02:34:10,560 --> 02:34:16,000
» and and you did cl you did fix that.
Thank you very much, Terry. I I

1884
02:34:15,200 --> 02:34:21,680
appreciate that.
>> I'm glad it's printed for you guys.

1885
02:34:17,920 --> 02:34:26,160
» Okay. And what about um what was ever
was it ever put in there about the

1886
02:34:24,080 --> 02:34:32,120
newsletter and the printing of the
newsletter and is that

1887
02:34:28,640 --> 02:34:32,120
» is that happening?

1888
02:34:46,240 --> 02:34:56,479
That's why we have 20,000
>> committed BBB funds.

1889
02:34:53,120 --> 02:35:01,600
We have a we have a supply
there. We can change it to

1890
02:35:00,479 --> 02:35:04,720
they're going to use that to do with
some improvements and but the paper will

1891
02:35:03,840 --> 02:35:08,560
come out too.
>> Yes.

1892
02:35:05,359 --> 02:35:11,359
» Right. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very
much.

1893
02:35:09,680 --> 02:35:16,640
» All right. So that was the first reading
which means that's all we had to do.

1894
02:35:14,479 --> 02:35:22,399
» All right. Question also please
>> Mr. Hworth. So, how are you going to

1895
02:35:20,479 --> 02:35:28,399
then carry
levy that said tax levy to pester county

1896
02:35:26,399 --> 02:35:31,520
for the town? And
>> what do you mean

1897
02:35:29,120 --> 02:35:34,800
» where are your funds going to be put
that you're going to

1898
02:35:32,479 --> 02:35:37,760
» the 76,000 comes out of the general fund
>> and it's just levy straight across back

1899
02:35:37,200 --> 02:35:40,800
in
>> Yeah, there's one levy for the whole

1900
02:35:39,280 --> 02:35:45,040
account. [laughter]
>> So, no percentages will be affecting our

1901
02:35:43,600 --> 02:35:47,760
» No, how they Well, how they get their
levy is they take the value and divide

1902
02:35:46,880 --> 02:35:53,200
it by levy. correct
>> amount and then that gives us and that's

1903
02:35:49,280 --> 02:35:55,439
what the levy is and it's distributed
>> to change that levy

1904
02:35:54,640 --> 02:35:59,600
» what's that
>> and then the levy itself we have to

1905
02:35:57,359 --> 02:36:03,040
change it countywide municipal wide
>> you'd have to opt out you'd have to opt

1906
02:36:01,520 --> 02:36:05,840
out if you want to change and that's
pretty you got to start that process

1907
02:36:04,800 --> 02:36:09,680
pretty early
>> so that's why I wanted to make sure

1908
02:36:07,600 --> 02:36:15,920
» so that's the maximum that I got that we
could levy for for Pester County

1909
02:36:12,560 --> 02:36:18,960
» so 76,000 and we always just do the max
>> and we there's a few dollars we get from

1910
02:36:17,520 --> 02:36:23,520
Pennington County.
>> That's just on that. It doesn't amount

1911
02:36:20,399 --> 02:36:26,520
to much that the president's
>> y

1912
02:36:27,359 --> 02:36:34,640
» Okay. Um, first reading done. H approve
building inspection code enforcement

1913
02:36:32,960 --> 02:36:38,960
agreement. Uh, I don't think we have
anything ready for that.

1914
02:36:36,160 --> 02:36:42,479
» They didn't get back to that.
>> But we do have somebody who's willing to

1915
02:36:40,479 --> 02:36:46,000
do uh building inspections and code
enforcement as well.

1916
02:36:44,560 --> 02:36:51,439
» So,
>> cool. We can wash our hands of code

1917
02:36:49,040 --> 02:36:55,359
enforcement and let somebody else engage
in the battle of

1918
02:36:52,720 --> 02:36:57,920
» and do we have a proposal that I can
look at?

1919
02:36:56,960 --> 02:37:01,680
» That's why
>> so we can table wise this.

1920
02:36:59,920 --> 02:37:05,760
» Okay, thank you.
>> Wonderful.

1921
02:37:03,600 --> 02:37:08,640
» Um but yeah, no I I we were talking to
him about building inspection. He's

1922
02:37:06,880 --> 02:37:11,120
like, "Oh, I do code enforcement also."
So

1923
02:37:09,439 --> 02:37:14,560
» cool.
>> Yeah. Um through weld the tank

1924
02:37:13,040 --> 02:37:18,640
maintenance agreement. This is probably
one of the

1925
02:37:16,720 --> 02:37:24,880
few really great things on this agenda.
>> The wrong card in the

1926
02:37:21,840 --> 02:37:30,640
» It's actually page 51.
>> So, this is the company that um that

1927
02:37:26,720 --> 02:37:35,120
clean the uh the welded tank, skinny
tank, old reliable um and they can put

1928
02:37:33,600 --> 02:37:40,960
this under this program essentially
where we pay X dollars per year and they

1929
02:37:38,399 --> 02:37:45,680
guarantee that that tank is as new
condition on a perpetual basis. So,

1930
02:37:43,600 --> 02:37:50,800
there's repairs that need to be made to
to the roof. Um, it's pretty rusty,

1931
02:37:48,560 --> 02:37:55,280
pretty nasty. Um, hasn't been painted in
a long time. They would strip it inside

1932
02:37:52,880 --> 02:37:58,560
and out and completely repaint
everything. They would put all new stuff

1933
02:37:57,040 --> 02:38:03,280
in there, bring it to brand new
condition. And one of the cool things

1934
02:37:59,920 --> 02:38:08,479
she talked to me about um did a short
phone conference to kind of get some

1935
02:38:05,920 --> 02:38:13,520
thoughts, but see if I'm sure she put it
in here. I know she did. Um,

1936
02:38:11,840 --> 02:38:17,280
very interesting thing. I don't know,
maybe Scott, you might actually weigh in

1937
02:38:15,680 --> 02:38:22,600
on this, but there's something called
um,

1938
02:38:19,120 --> 02:38:22,600
what was that?

1939
02:38:22,880 --> 02:38:29,280
» Basically, once the tank is under this
kind of a contract to the point where we

1940
02:38:26,399 --> 02:38:34,399
can claim that it is in as new condition
on a permanent basis, that tank becomes

1941
02:38:31,680 --> 02:38:39,600
a non a hard non-depreciable asset. So
its value becomes something we can

1942
02:38:35,920 --> 02:38:44,560
borrow against as a as a like a
>> and what is this monthly charge?

1943
02:38:41,600 --> 02:38:47,760
» Uh it's yearly. So um the first few
years

1944
02:38:46,160 --> 02:38:53,439
are pretty heavy.
>> I think

1945
02:38:49,760 --> 02:38:58,600
» I don't have it. I don't have it now.
>> Sorry about that.

1946
02:38:55,200 --> 02:38:58,600
» What was that?

1947
02:39:00,160 --> 02:39:09,520
» Yeah. So 37,000 a year for for first
four years and then it drops to roughly

1948
02:39:07,040 --> 02:39:17,359
8,000 and then just rises with interest
or with um inflation basically. Um

1949
02:39:15,760 --> 02:39:21,600
so yeah, what you really could say is
we're getting $160,000

1950
02:39:19,439 --> 02:39:25,760
repair upfront spread out over the
course of four years.

1951
02:39:23,840 --> 02:39:32,080
Um
>> can I interrupt? Didn't Didn't we just

1952
02:39:28,880 --> 02:39:35,200
pay to have the inside all cleaned and
done or

1953
02:39:34,000 --> 02:39:38,960
» cleaned?
>> But not painted.

1954
02:39:36,240 --> 02:39:41,840
» But not paint or sealed or whatever they
call it. Yeah.

1955
02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:46,000
» Okay. We haven't gotten that far.
>> Yeah.

1956
02:39:44,240 --> 02:39:52,479
» Yeah.
>> But yeah, no full repaint in and out. Um

1957
02:39:49,040 --> 02:39:56,640
any 100% of everything would be covered.
>> Yeah. The whole the whole goal is for

1958
02:39:54,399 --> 02:40:01,520
them to get it to the point where we can
treat it as if it was a brand new tank.

1959
02:39:59,600 --> 02:40:06,640
» They did an amazing job.
>> 37,000

1960
02:40:03,760 --> 02:40:09,840
time 4 is the first four years and then
it it goes down to something reasonable.

1961
02:40:09,120 --> 02:40:14,640
Huh.
>> 145,000.

1962
02:40:12,800 --> 02:40:18,560
» There's a list. Where was that list of
all the initial? So the whole ladder

1963
02:40:16,479 --> 02:40:22,880
system essentially to be redone.
problems.

1964
02:40:20,319 --> 02:40:28,640
» And are we asking for approval for this
for next year's budget or are we

1965
02:40:25,680 --> 02:40:35,359
starting now? And how are we budgeting
that in? And how much did we have left

1966
02:40:31,920 --> 02:40:39,680
of our I mean, I know we we had money
left over that we

1967
02:40:37,920 --> 02:40:43,359
» had a Oh, yeah.
>> And do we have enough for that in the

1968
02:40:42,319 --> 02:40:47,080
next year's budget?
>> That's a great question.

1969
02:40:47,600 --> 02:40:57,000
Yeah, we had that vote where we approved
the emergency money.

1970
02:40:52,560 --> 02:40:57,000
» Yeah, was like 49%.

1971
02:40:59,120 --> 02:41:07,240
» Oh, right. Right.
>> I'm just looking at unexpended looking

1972
02:41:03,040 --> 02:41:07,240
for unexpended for this year

1973
02:41:08,479 --> 02:41:13,840
» because this starts this year. So,
they're going to do something before

1974
02:41:12,160 --> 02:41:18,280
Christmas.
Oops.

1975
02:41:15,280 --> 02:41:18,280
Maybe

1976
02:41:21,359 --> 02:41:25,960
» budgeted for 2026 238,000

1977
02:41:26,080 --> 02:41:32,040
spent 59 but what is that that's

1978
02:41:34,240 --> 02:41:37,240
right

1979
02:41:39,760 --> 02:41:46,200
» capital improvements yeah 97,000 so far.

1980
02:41:52,000 --> 02:41:58,920
I'm just trying to see if we have
these. We almost double

1981
02:42:05,280 --> 02:42:10,200
the I guess that's the

1982
02:42:10,399 --> 02:42:16,960
» Well, and you can still change the
emergency for next year.

1983
02:42:15,120 --> 02:42:21,120
» No, I mean this year to get it,
>> but I mean if you're thinking about

1984
02:42:18,640 --> 02:42:26,160
doing it, you're probably have to add up
to next year.

1985
02:42:24,080 --> 02:42:32,840
» So, how about if we make this pending to
the next meeting and you have all those

1986
02:42:27,600 --> 02:42:32,840
figures out for us at that time?

1987
02:42:33,280 --> 02:42:38,359
» Thank you.
>> Do anything nudes?

1988
02:42:39,200 --> 02:42:48,000
Are you taking any questions? Uh yeah,
go ahead. So to me, rather than spending

1989
02:42:46,080 --> 02:42:54,399
quarter of a million dollars over this
period, for a tank that does no good for

1990
02:42:51,120 --> 02:43:01,280
no pressure and all it is is a backup
tank, I would rather see money spent on

1991
02:42:57,280 --> 02:43:05,600
raising towers, putting in boosters or
figuring out how we get it all out by

1992
02:43:03,200 --> 02:43:10,720
the tower to make our infrastructure
work backwards to help Hills and the

1993
02:43:09,200 --> 02:43:15,200
others.
for that kind of money

1994
02:43:13,120 --> 02:43:20,080
» rather than throwing it at an old tank
underground. I would rather see a new

1995
02:43:17,439 --> 02:43:24,319
tank developed.
>> So this is for this is not for the tank.

1996
02:43:22,560 --> 02:43:29,600
» This is for the welded tank that is
proven to be the most reliable tank the

1997
02:43:26,880 --> 02:43:33,600
town has
>> money. My goodness, you can almost build

1998
02:43:31,439 --> 02:43:37,439
a new tank
>> building tank like that. What do you

1999
02:43:35,840 --> 02:43:42,960
think? What do you think, Joe? How much
do you think it cost to build a welded

2000
02:43:38,960 --> 02:43:46,479
tank these days? Like that 1.3 million
>> easy.

2001
02:43:43,600 --> 02:43:50,240
» That's why they're willing to do this.
The the bolted tanks are not good at

2002
02:43:49,359 --> 02:43:53,200
all.
>> Yeah. They don't want No. No. No. Nobody

2003
02:43:52,720 --> 02:43:57,600
wants anything.
>> This is our best tank.

2004
02:43:55,600 --> 02:44:00,720
» Yeah. By a lot. And wasn't this the one
that was used?

2005
02:43:59,200 --> 02:44:05,279
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Right. Was this it was the weld

2006
02:44:03,120 --> 02:44:07,439
the tank was used brought near use
>> before

2007
02:44:06,080 --> 02:44:11,439
» that's the theory is why it's got those
fuller holes in the top of it when it

2008
02:44:09,680 --> 02:44:15,200
was moved
>> right

2009
02:44:12,880 --> 02:44:19,840
» but yeah I mean I mean we could we could
theoretically waste $1.1 million on a

2010
02:44:17,680 --> 02:44:24,640
new well or we could theoretically waste
$350,000 making a new tank into 31 feet

2011
02:44:23,120 --> 02:44:28,240
tall. There's a lot of other ways we
could waste money or we can take a tank

2012
02:44:26,080 --> 02:44:33,520
that's been reliable for a hundred years
and make it so it's going to reli be

2013
02:44:29,920 --> 02:44:33,520
reliable for another hundred years.

2014
02:44:34,640 --> 02:44:40,560
That's inspections, everything for
>> every you just walk away from.

2015
02:44:38,800 --> 02:44:46,000
» Yeah, they
>> they clean it the whole anyway.

2016
02:44:42,880 --> 02:44:51,760
» Every year they come out
>> emergency services.

2017
02:44:47,359 --> 02:44:54,160
» Uh every divers in clean water,
right?

2018
02:44:52,640 --> 02:45:01,840
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> Right. [laughter] Yeah. More.

2019
02:44:58,560 --> 02:45:06,600
» Oh, that's real bad.
There aren't many welded around there,

2020
02:45:03,520 --> 02:45:06,600
are there?

2021
02:45:10,319 --> 02:45:19,439
» Opinion is we don't do things that last.
>> Well, right. We don't

2022
02:45:16,560 --> 02:45:23,319
» throw it away so you can pay somebody to
make money.

2023
02:45:20,319 --> 02:45:23,319
» Yeah.

2024
02:45:24,000 --> 02:45:30,319
» Yeah.
>> This is like paying the dive team every

2025
02:45:27,359 --> 02:45:33,520
year. It's $10,000 a year after the
initial

2026
02:45:31,760 --> 02:45:36,520
» and then any repair.
>> Yeah.

2027
02:45:37,680 --> 02:45:42,800
» Well, it's
>> do they

2028
02:45:40,960 --> 02:45:49,120
other tank too or not?
>> No, nobody nobody does any sort of

2029
02:45:45,520 --> 02:45:52,479
guarantees like this on this tank.
>> Glass this one glass.

2030
02:45:50,960 --> 02:45:54,880
» The steel tank. No, it's just steel a
welded tank. It's just

2031
02:45:53,600 --> 02:45:58,319
» not not the welded one.
>> This Ours is glass lined, right?

2032
02:45:56,880 --> 02:45:59,359
» Yeah.
Mhm.

2033
02:45:58,800 --> 02:46:05,120
» Yeah.
>> And then they basically epoxy it is what

2034
02:46:01,840 --> 02:46:10,319
they do for sealer.
>> Nice.

2035
02:46:07,359 --> 02:46:12,319
» Makes much more sense.
>> Fix it.

2036
02:46:11,040 --> 02:46:15,200
» Underground too.
>> Oh yeah. The underground one they did

2037
02:46:14,080 --> 02:46:18,960
put in there like
>> an

2038
02:46:16,399 --> 02:46:22,439
» something very trivial. Is it even in
this?

2039
02:46:19,439 --> 02:46:22,439
» Yes.

2040
02:46:22,560 --> 02:46:26,479
» I didn't know if they were talking about
that one too.

2041
02:46:25,520 --> 02:46:34,240
» The underground.
>> No. interior wash out. Um,

2042
02:46:29,840 --> 02:46:41,439
» no fee until 2029. $4,000 that year,
$4,000 some dollars in 2038. 5,000

2043
02:46:37,439 --> 02:46:45,840
something in 20 No, wait. 2029
>> 32

2044
02:46:42,160 --> 02:46:48,319
» 2032 2035 and 2038. Like every once in a
while, five grand to recondition the

2045
02:46:47,439 --> 02:46:52,640
underground.
>> Why did I think that we were not going

2046
02:46:50,479 --> 02:46:57,520
to be allowed to use the underground
tank for drinking water? But

2047
02:46:56,240 --> 02:46:59,760
» we can use it, but it just doesn't
generate any pressure.

2048
02:46:58,640 --> 02:47:02,800
» Oh, it's too low.
>> Yeah,

2049
02:47:00,560 --> 02:47:05,840
» but bulk water. And I did find out that
it has really you have to have it. You

2050
02:47:04,240 --> 02:47:08,800
have to air gap it, but we can use it
for bulk water.

2051
02:47:07,279 --> 02:47:14,479
» This was just something they threw they
threw in there in case you wanted to

2052
02:47:12,479 --> 02:47:17,920
» use the ingground.
>> It's concrete. So, they're like, "Oh,

2053
02:47:16,000 --> 02:47:23,200
yeah, that definitely maintain that.
That'll last centuries."

2054
02:47:21,200 --> 02:47:26,240
» You have a lot of water. There's going
to be a lot of places that don't have

2055
02:47:24,800 --> 02:47:29,359
any.
>> Yeah, there are right now

2056
02:47:28,160 --> 02:47:37,000
» produce water.
>> A lot of places showing up.

2057
02:47:32,080 --> 02:47:37,000
» The shallow wells are hurting right now.

2058
02:47:38,319 --> 02:47:43,359
» Yeah.
>> Okay. What's up?

2059
02:47:40,319 --> 02:47:47,040
» Well, it's a swimming pool.
Yeah. Anyway, so we're tableabling this

2060
02:47:46,000 --> 02:47:51,840
motion on the floor.
>> No, I didn't have a motion.

2061
02:47:50,399 --> 02:47:54,479
» We need a motion. I know we didn't have
a motion.

2062
02:47:52,479 --> 02:47:55,760
» Yeah, if we could wait just one more
meeting.

2063
02:47:55,120 --> 02:48:00,080
» Yeah.
>> Okay. Motion to table till the next

2064
02:47:57,279 --> 02:48:01,760
meeting.
>> Motion.

2065
02:48:00,880 --> 02:48:04,240
» I'll make that motion.
>> Trina's making it. Do we have a second?

2066
02:48:03,279 --> 02:48:09,680
» Sure.
>> Made and seconded. Further discussion?

2067
02:48:07,120 --> 02:48:15,080
Seeing none, all those in favor?
>> I.

2068
02:48:11,200 --> 02:48:15,080
» Okay. Um

2069
02:48:16,560 --> 02:48:19,880
that was

2070
02:48:20,399 --> 02:48:24,359
another claims

2071
02:48:27,760 --> 02:48:33,560
motions to approve or amend or whatever
for claims.

2072
02:48:36,640 --> 02:48:44,080
» I make a motion that we pay the claims
as presented. Motion made. We have a

2073
02:48:42,399 --> 02:48:47,120
second.
>> Yes.

2074
02:48:45,040 --> 02:48:53,040
» Make second.
Further discussion.

2075
02:48:50,319 --> 02:48:58,560
» Now, I did put the ones from last. So,
that we need to those back ones.

2076
02:48:56,399 --> 02:49:03,840
» They were kind of pended last time.
>> No, we disputed them. So,

2077
02:49:01,279 --> 02:49:04,800
» okay. So, they wouldn't be not even on
here.

2078
02:49:04,240 --> 02:49:08,319
» All right.
>> Right.

2079
02:49:06,319 --> 02:49:12,680
So, what you're approving, what your
motion was was for the $23,91047.

2080
02:49:14,160 --> 02:49:21,880
Is that correct?
>> Well, okay.

2081
02:49:18,880 --> 02:49:21,880
Um,

2082
02:49:23,359 --> 02:49:31,680
I thought the dispute was that there was
an overcharging

2083
02:49:28,640 --> 02:49:41,080
or potential overcharging of of the
bill, but now that we see that it's

2084
02:49:34,640 --> 02:49:41,080
broken out into six different um

2085
02:49:43,120 --> 02:49:49,920
water operations contracts. The contract
in itself explicitly states not to

2086
02:49:47,520 --> 02:49:54,160
exceed 3,000
something

2087
02:49:52,000 --> 02:50:00,080
explicitly time and materials not to
exceed and it's what 3,000 some dollar

2088
02:49:58,080 --> 02:50:04,160
and this show water operations contract
July hours

2089
02:50:01,040 --> 02:50:08,240
» is that for normal for normal work when
this was not normal work because wasn't

2090
02:50:06,319 --> 02:50:09,680
this when
um

2091
02:50:08,800 --> 02:50:12,960
» the emergency
>> the emergency

2092
02:50:11,359 --> 02:50:18,160
» all the extra
>> Yes.

2093
02:50:15,359 --> 02:50:21,920
Um
>> I mean not to exceed is not to exceed

2094
02:50:20,160 --> 02:50:24,920
the tough. That's why I think why it's
insp.

2095
02:50:32,319 --> 02:50:36,000
» Yeah, because they defrauded us the
money earlier.

2096
02:50:35,279 --> 02:50:40,319
» So
>> they what?

2097
02:50:36,720 --> 02:50:45,520
» Defra us the money. They charged us for
double time for people who

2098
02:50:42,240 --> 02:50:50,399
» Oh, that's right. the $14
bonus.

2099
02:50:46,880 --> 02:50:52,240
» So if we've already paid them broadly
>> invoices, I don't think we should pay

2100
02:50:51,840 --> 02:50:55,600
them.
>> Is that what

2101
02:50:53,600 --> 02:50:58,640
» that's what we discussed during the
meeting?

2102
02:50:56,160 --> 02:51:02,640
» Yes.
>> Yeah, that's right. That's some

2103
02:51:00,479 --> 02:51:07,200
contractor
14,000 some dollar bonus.

2104
02:51:05,279 --> 02:51:12,640
Well, I recall that being mentioned, but
I didn't uh recall that this we were

2105
02:51:10,399 --> 02:51:15,960
holding back on this payment because of
that page.

2106
02:51:18,560 --> 02:51:25,439
» Um
>> all the rest of it looks good to me. So

2107
02:51:22,960 --> 02:51:30,160
» yeah. Yeah.
>> Um

2108
02:51:27,200 --> 02:51:35,040
any further discussion?
Seeing none, all those in favor? Hi.

2109
02:51:32,640 --> 02:51:38,240
» And how much are we actually paying?
>> 23,910

2110
02:51:36,720 --> 02:51:43,359
on 47.
>> I

2111
02:51:40,640 --> 02:51:49,840
» Okay. Um,
please, we got 10 minutes. Water

2112
02:51:46,640 --> 02:51:52,840
department report. Do we have
water?

2113
02:51:57,520 --> 02:52:08,080
» Is this the extra testing that we had
asked for? This is just our um regularly

2114
02:52:05,840 --> 02:52:12,399
scheduled testing.
I mean, when I read it, I thought it was

2115
02:52:09,920 --> 02:52:17,760
our regularly scheduled testing, but I
wondered if it was our

2116
02:52:15,120 --> 02:52:23,840
you had uh Erin, you had said that you
were going to have some additional

2117
02:52:20,399 --> 02:52:29,920
testing done.
>> Um yeah. So, uh I don't think they've

2118
02:52:27,120 --> 02:52:34,080
gone with that. They've done the copper
uh the lead and coppers. They've done

2119
02:52:32,479 --> 02:52:36,479
the the routine ones. I don't think
she's

2120
02:52:34,880 --> 02:52:42,240
» I haven't heard anything about common
ions. That's what they call this ion is

2121
02:52:38,880 --> 02:52:44,560
basically what is ionized into your
water.

2122
02:52:43,200 --> 02:52:45,520
» Yeah, I haven't heard anything about
that yet.

2123
02:52:45,279 --> 02:52:49,200
» Okay.
>> Um but yeah, next time I'll talk to next

2124
02:52:47,279 --> 02:52:55,279
time I talk to Ellen, I'll ask him. And
did somebody from the office contact

2125
02:52:51,760 --> 02:53:01,800
them um and change this 2020 Ferguson
Street to a a different location for

2126
02:52:58,800 --> 02:53:01,800
them?

2127
02:53:02,399 --> 02:53:09,520
Uh I'm aware of but
one thing that one thing that I found

2128
02:53:07,600 --> 02:53:13,439
strange is that all the I think it was
all the night and poppers were done

2129
02:53:11,200 --> 02:53:17,600
along one street and it just so happens
to be the one street in town I would not

2130
02:53:15,520 --> 02:53:21,520
want taking water samples and that's
Manning.

2131
02:53:19,040 --> 02:53:26,640
» So there's talk of a ground water in
Manning.

2132
02:53:23,600 --> 02:53:30,760
» So check it out. It's kind of not funny.
So, we've got uh

2133
02:53:31,040 --> 02:53:34,560
this loop here.
>> Yeah.

2134
02:53:34,240 --> 02:53:39,040
» Right.
>> So, the water comes down from the tower

2135
02:53:36,319 --> 02:53:42,160
and it splits right here and goes
downhill and then comes back up and

2136
02:53:40,960 --> 02:53:46,319
reconnects.
>> So, the main, this is a loop in the

2137
02:53:44,000 --> 02:53:50,720
main. So, [snorts] this section of the
main is obviously going to be prone to

2138
02:53:48,640 --> 02:53:54,399
sediment buildup.
>> And every time we get reports of brown

2139
02:53:52,399 --> 02:53:59,359
water, it's a house on the street every
single time. So, it just so happens that

2140
02:53:56,800 --> 02:54:03,600
our infrastructure is designed so that
this one little section gets dirty

2141
02:54:00,880 --> 02:54:07,200
water. Um, I don't know other than
purging of hydrant down here on a

2142
02:54:05,520 --> 02:54:10,160
regular basis, which could potentially
in some cases make it worse. Is that

2143
02:54:09,279 --> 02:54:14,319
» worse?
>> Yeah.

2144
02:54:11,200 --> 02:54:18,160
» So, um I feel like I don't know, maybe
the better thing would be to deadend it

2145
02:54:15,920 --> 02:54:24,399
somehow rather than have it be a loop to
dead end it. I don't know.

2146
02:54:21,600 --> 02:54:26,560
» I think we like dead ends. That's a
problem, too.

2147
02:54:25,359 --> 02:54:31,840
» You know what that is,
>> right?

2148
02:54:28,640 --> 02:54:38,080
» We are going to have the fire hydrants
blown out this fall.

2149
02:54:34,720 --> 02:54:42,160
We I better get that scheduled so that
we can put it in the newsletter. People

2150
02:54:40,800 --> 02:54:47,720
know that they're going to have brown
water.

2151
02:54:43,520 --> 02:54:47,720
» Oh, I know. That's small.

2152
02:54:49,120 --> 02:54:53,600
» Yeah. Please let me know cuz last time
you learned that I was washy.

2153
02:54:52,960 --> 02:54:56,080
» Right.
>> It will.

2154
02:54:54,800 --> 02:54:59,359
» Yeah.
>> I've had that happen.

2155
02:54:57,200 --> 02:55:04,880
» But it'll help after years of doing it
like that problem down there. It will

2156
02:55:01,359 --> 02:55:09,200
start to clean.
>> It's supposed to be done once a year,

2157
02:55:06,640 --> 02:55:12,160
right?
>> Yeah.

2158
02:55:09,520 --> 02:55:16,800
» A lot of it too is for your insurance.
all that IO.

2159
02:55:14,800 --> 02:55:19,439
» So you turn it into insurance that you
have.

2160
02:55:18,160 --> 02:55:25,200
» But yeah, so that's that's our
brownwater culprit is this

2161
02:55:22,399 --> 02:55:28,200
loop right here. And there's no easy
solution.

2162
02:55:29,200 --> 02:55:36,319
» Um they may be particularly upset right
now because of how quickly our pressure

2163
02:55:34,240 --> 02:55:41,600
is varying, how
>> frequently it's varying. And

2164
02:55:39,120 --> 02:55:44,600
» we can talk we can we can solve that.
Yeah.

2165
02:55:47,760 --> 02:55:53,920
» Anyway, oh that was a tangent. What were
we actually talking about? Water

2166
02:55:51,840 --> 02:55:58,720
department report. Oh, so Allan's uh
yeah, the meter is getting replaced. Um

2167
02:55:57,359 --> 02:56:01,760
other than that, samples are getting
taken. Everything on that front seems to

2168
02:56:00,160 --> 02:56:04,760
be running smooth, right?
>> Good.

2169
02:56:07,359 --> 02:56:10,319
» Uh uh strobe light on the water tower
hill.

2170
02:56:09,600 --> 02:56:13,840
» Oh yeah.
>> Yeah.

2171
02:56:11,680 --> 02:56:18,319
Yeah. Um, so me and Fay went up there. I
put the uh I disabled the photo sensor

2172
02:56:16,479 --> 02:56:21,120
and the light came on and stayed on. So
whatever is going on, it's because of

2173
02:56:19,760 --> 02:56:26,560
the photo sensor. I'm not sure if it's
the photo sensor is bad or there's

2174
02:56:23,760 --> 02:56:30,240
something else causing it to misbehave.
But it was set at lowest possible lumen

2175
02:56:28,479 --> 02:56:33,359
setting. So basically didn't want to
turn that light on until it was

2176
02:56:31,359 --> 02:56:36,640
absolutely pitch black, which makes me
feel like it's dithering on and off

2177
02:56:34,800 --> 02:56:40,720
thing. May have been because it was kind
of in that gray area. So I took it up to

2178
02:56:38,880 --> 02:56:44,080
a slightly higher notch. So, it should
come up. It should come on a little

2179
02:56:42,319 --> 02:56:47,680
earlier, but hopefully stay on.
>> Stay on.

2180
02:56:44,720 --> 02:56:50,240
» It strobed for a a little bit last
night, but then it didn't last very

2181
02:56:50,000 --> 02:56:53,520
long.
>> Did it stop again? Yeah.

2182
02:56:51,520 --> 02:56:57,120
» And that's why I'm thinking it's kind of
in that

2183
02:56:54,800 --> 02:56:59,920
» hours. Yesterday [snorts] or day before?
>> Last night.

2184
02:56:58,160 --> 02:57:03,760
» And it was set to only kick on with I
think

2185
02:57:01,520 --> 02:57:08,160
» 10 lux, which is like really that's
really dark. So, I set it to 25. So

2186
02:57:06,319 --> 02:57:11,427
it'll get down a little bit earlier and
hopefully not scrobe people out as

2187
02:57:10,399 --> 02:57:13,920
they're going down the highway.
[laughter]

2188
02:57:12,479 --> 02:57:19,080
If if it does keep going, we're gonna
have to get it to change colors so it

2189
02:57:15,439 --> 02:57:19,080
actually looks like we're

2190
02:57:20,720 --> 02:57:29,120
» LED [clears throat]
anything water.

2191
02:57:25,760 --> 02:57:33,680
» Okay. Sewer.
>> I don't have anything.

2192
02:57:31,359 --> 02:57:36,319
» It's uneventful infrastructure, right?
People just

2193
02:57:35,680 --> 02:57:40,560
It's good.
>> Well, we got to deal with the weeds, but

2194
02:57:38,880 --> 02:57:45,120
I don't have anything
>> um there. We do need to um

2195
02:57:43,520 --> 02:57:49,760
there are some things that need to be
checked though on some inspections,

2196
02:57:47,040 --> 02:57:53,920
samples, and things. We need to identify
someone and get [clears throat] get them

2197
02:57:52,479 --> 02:57:57,520
in touch with the ANR. I don't know if
we want to ask Allan to do that.

2198
02:57:55,920 --> 02:58:04,800
» Probably
the easiest thing. Um, and we can figure

2199
02:58:01,040 --> 02:58:08,960
out, you know, what what the added
cost will be. It's not much without the

2200
02:58:07,040 --> 02:58:14,000
wastewater treatment plant running. It's
an exceptionally small amount.

2201
02:58:11,680 --> 02:58:20,720
» Since you mentioned that, I was going to
ask if Allan would be willing to um go

2202
02:58:18,479 --> 02:58:25,680
around with the fire department when
they do the blowout of the fire

2203
02:58:22,960 --> 02:58:31,120
hydrants. I think it would be good for
him and for them to have all the same

2204
02:58:28,560 --> 02:58:35,760
information.
>> So anyway, I was going to find out how

2205
02:58:34,080 --> 02:58:40,800
much time that's going to take and then
present that to the board.

2206
02:58:38,319 --> 02:58:45,840
Just FYI, since we're talking about
Allen's pay here.

2207
02:58:42,720 --> 02:58:51,359
» So did you what did you decide on leads
over the lagoon? I would call them water

2208
02:58:48,640 --> 02:58:54,479
and have them come down or what?
Um, we didn't really have anything in

2209
02:58:53,040 --> 02:58:57,200
here to make a motion about that or
anything.

2210
02:58:54,800 --> 02:59:02,080
» Yeah, I know. But it must be addressed.
>> Well, that's Yeah. And I don't honestly

2211
02:59:00,000 --> 02:59:05,359
with considering that it is like a
requirement, an infrastructure

2212
02:59:03,359 --> 02:59:11,439
requirement, I think we just need to
figure out how to do it and get it done.

2213
02:59:08,960 --> 02:59:15,840
It's jeopardizing ours.
>> Well, yeah. And it needs to be need to

2214
02:59:14,000 --> 02:59:20,080
be sprayed. So,
>> yeah.

2215
02:59:17,120 --> 02:59:25,920
What kind of chemicals you use?
>> You know, you know, contacts.

2216
02:59:22,640 --> 02:59:29,920
» I I got Yeah, I the numbers in Chuck's
home so I can call them and talk to

2217
02:59:27,840 --> 02:59:34,720
them,
you know, looking at

2218
02:59:32,640 --> 02:59:39,040
» and at the very least if you know we
decided something to approve, then the

2219
02:59:36,319 --> 02:59:42,399
next meeting we have to be ready to do.
>> It's probably something that's going to

2220
02:59:40,240 --> 02:59:47,920
be have to be have have to be done a few
times before the end of the year. Well,

2221
02:59:46,080 --> 02:59:50,800
that should be done every year.
>> Yeah.

2222
02:59:48,319 --> 02:59:54,880
» Spring and fall.
>> Just chemically wipe them out,

2223
02:59:52,399 --> 02:59:58,240
» you know, because anything.
>> I figure it's probably use something

2224
02:59:56,720 --> 03:00:02,240
similar. You would find them using near
golf courses or places like that.

2225
03:00:00,160 --> 03:00:06,720
» Yeah.
>> Well, we got to Right. Be careful of the

2226
03:00:05,439 --> 03:00:08,240
bacteria, of course.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

2227
03:00:07,279 --> 03:00:14,000
» Which is why we're doing
>> near water near bodies of water. Yeah.

2228
03:00:11,760 --> 03:00:18,800
» All right. Um, sewer is good. street
department main street repair. Oh yeah,

2229
03:00:16,399 --> 03:00:22,800
we did that
main street repair plan. So we took what

2230
03:00:20,880 --> 03:00:27,600
we had left of UPM and we fixed all the
potholes over on the asphalt and

2231
03:00:24,479 --> 03:00:34,319
concrete on West Main. So we've got
asphalt surface over there. Um not all

2232
03:00:30,800 --> 03:00:38,800
but most. Um, but anything really is
just a band-aid that all that concrete

2233
03:00:36,640 --> 03:00:43,520
needs to be completely redone if we're
going to do anything

2234
03:00:41,600 --> 03:00:46,800
really that that road should be concrete
all the way back to the propane station.

2235
03:00:45,040 --> 03:00:51,840
And that's a huge expense. That's
probably million and a quarter. We're

2236
03:00:49,359 --> 03:00:58,399
close to it these days. We just got to
wait for the market to change and then

2237
03:00:54,399 --> 03:01:01,840
construction will get cheap again.
Um,

2238
03:01:00,080 --> 03:01:04,960
what else do we do? Did we do anything
else yet?

2239
03:01:02,560 --> 03:01:08,880
» Oh, a little bit on Second Street, too.
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Second Street. Yeah. Hot

2240
03:01:07,279 --> 03:01:11,600
balls down by the bridge.
>> And then right by the church, the

2241
03:01:10,960 --> 03:01:13,279
corner.
>> Yeah, there was that.

2242
03:01:12,319 --> 03:01:17,200
» There's a big
>> big one.

2243
03:01:16,240 --> 03:01:23,200
» Very cool.
>> That spent

2244
03:01:20,160 --> 03:01:26,640
all pretty much all the UPM we had.
Um,

2245
03:01:25,200 --> 03:01:31,680
I don't know if we want to go with bags
again or if I want to take another look

2246
03:01:28,080 --> 03:01:34,240
at the Hulk options.
Even if it's totes, that would be good,

2247
03:01:33,600 --> 03:01:38,479
too.
>> As long as it's locked up.

2248
03:01:36,640 --> 03:01:41,040
» But yeah, that's a pallet. So, it's not
like

2249
03:01:39,359 --> 03:01:44,080
» Yeah,
you laugh.

2250
03:01:42,240 --> 03:01:47,479
» Easier to lock up a pallet than a big
pile of rock.

2251
03:01:51,200 --> 03:01:56,479
They put red red paint all over the
broth. So at least if somebody seals it,

2252
03:01:55,120 --> 03:02:01,479
we'll be walking around town with red
hands.

2253
03:01:57,520 --> 03:02:01,479
» Exploding red paint.

2254
03:02:02,000 --> 03:02:05,319
» That's a thing.

2255
03:02:06,836 --> 03:02:11,760
[laughter]
>> Like on the clothes there's those ink

2256
03:02:09,600 --> 03:02:15,319
things that if you close they pop and
spray you with ink.

2257
03:02:17,840 --> 03:02:23,439
» Discussion of the school zone road
repair.

2258
03:02:21,439 --> 03:02:27,359
grand opportunity.
I

2259
03:02:23,840 --> 03:02:32,640
» I think that was on there. I just just
got this print out. You guys can see it

2260
03:02:29,520 --> 03:02:36,720
and be working towards that.
>> I think that's great. That's I mean

2261
03:02:34,319 --> 03:02:38,640
we've talked about that. So good.
>> Okay.

2262
03:02:37,200 --> 03:02:41,640
» Thank you.
>> Um

2263
03:02:42,000 --> 03:02:50,560
um just want to thank Matt Steam for
pushing down the yard upstairs.

2264
03:02:47,439 --> 03:02:55,279
» I think Donna contacted him. I did.
>> Thank you, Matt.

2265
03:02:53,600 --> 03:02:59,840
» There you go. The school grant was
applied for

2266
03:02:58,000 --> 03:03:03,200
the new
>> for next July.

2267
03:03:01,200 --> 03:03:04,960
» Oh, next July.
>> It was supposed to

2268
03:03:04,080 --> 03:03:09,479
» We missed this one.
>> Yeah, supposed to be done. This is a

2269
03:03:06,319 --> 03:03:09,479
really good

2270
03:03:10,720 --> 03:03:15,520
» There's a lot of those that were small
enough that, you know, people know we're

2271
03:03:14,319 --> 03:03:19,680
poor because we're small.
>> Yeah,

2272
03:03:16,720 --> 03:03:22,920
» it fits us pretty well.
law enforcement.

2273
03:03:26,880 --> 03:03:34,800
» I didn't know.
>> Uh there's a light down on Ferguson

2274
03:03:31,600 --> 03:03:41,439
Street that uh needs to have some new
wiring done to it. McKenna Parker said

2275
03:03:37,600 --> 03:03:46,479
that once we contact our electrician
that he could contact him and he would

2276
03:03:43,680 --> 03:03:52,319
tell him what needs to be done. It's
right there just kind of right titty

2277
03:03:49,120 --> 03:03:56,960
corner from the lift station
>> on the front corner that you turn to go

2278
03:03:54,240 --> 03:04:02,880
into the fairgrounds off
has been out for a while

2279
03:03:59,120 --> 03:04:06,560
» and but uh the electric company can't
fix it. It needs some new wire.

2280
03:04:06,000 --> 03:04:10,960
So
>> who who normally does that for us?

2281
03:04:09,200 --> 03:04:17,040
» Who normally does that for us?
>> Mike Shorb's been doing the electrical.

2282
03:04:14,720 --> 03:04:21,840
Well, can we contact him and ask him if
he can do it?

2283
03:04:18,800 --> 03:04:26,399
» Yeah, he needs to contact him and tell
him what he needs to do.

2284
03:04:23,760 --> 03:04:29,359
» He said like maybe like 30 ft of wire or
something.

2285
03:04:28,000 --> 03:04:32,800
» Okay.
>> All right. Um, anything else on law

2286
03:04:31,520 --> 03:04:38,640
enforcement?
>> No, just the Well, there is water in

2287
03:04:35,359 --> 03:04:43,680
there, but it's modern
extra stuff. I didn't see anything in

2288
03:04:42,560 --> 03:04:47,760
here. So
>> what is the total number?

2289
03:04:45,200 --> 03:04:53,880
» 61
time still.

2290
03:04:50,880 --> 03:04:53,880
» Okay.

2291
03:04:56,160 --> 03:05:04,000
» All right. Um
abatements and complaints. I don't know

2292
03:05:01,040 --> 03:05:07,000
of anything.
Anybody?

2293
03:05:13,680 --> 03:05:17,399
Yeah, but

2294
03:05:18,479 --> 03:05:23,279
» now they've left and
>> Oh, I mean, somebody's still there, but

2295
03:05:22,160 --> 03:05:27,399
yeah.
>> So, not an issue anymore.

2296
03:05:24,319 --> 03:05:27,399
» I mean,

2297
03:05:28,080 --> 03:05:34,279
I don't know what we're doing about
those. This is one we've dealt with

2298
03:05:31,279 --> 03:05:34,279
before

2299
03:05:36,080 --> 03:05:39,399
second here.

2300
03:05:45,600 --> 03:05:51,359
All right, that was a quiet.
>> Was it about dogs or was it about

2301
03:05:49,760 --> 03:05:56,880
» About about the dogs barking early in
the morning

2302
03:05:53,279 --> 03:06:01,279
3:00 a.m. to 5 and they're gone.
Somebody's still there

2303
03:05:59,279 --> 03:06:04,279
cuz then they let the dogs in about 5:00
a.m.

2304
03:06:07,600 --> 03:06:16,520
» Well, if we're going to have a
>> complete person, let's wait till we have

2305
03:06:13,200 --> 03:06:16,520
that person.

2306
03:06:17,840 --> 03:06:26,240
» Okay. Economic development.
>> Economic development.

2307
03:06:22,640 --> 03:06:30,800
» I have no report.
The sour seems to be doing good.

2308
03:06:28,479 --> 03:06:37,840
» They seem to be doing very well and they
put up some new lights to shine on their

2309
03:06:33,840 --> 03:06:42,960
sign. Um, and they've done a few other
beautififications of the building. So,

2310
03:06:41,120 --> 03:06:46,240
that's good.
>> Very good.

2311
03:06:43,520 --> 03:06:52,880
» And they are open seven days a week,
which is amazing. I hope they can

2312
03:06:49,439 --> 03:06:56,720
maintain that.
>> Cool.

2313
03:06:54,160 --> 03:07:03,319
» All righty. Um, finance office anything
to report?

2314
03:06:59,840 --> 03:07:03,319
» There was a

2315
03:07:05,760 --> 03:07:14,000
so the rural the western Dakota Rural
Water System member appreciation event

2316
03:07:10,720 --> 03:07:23,399
evening social and annual meeting is
October 21st. It's in Pedmont.

2317
03:07:18,960 --> 03:07:23,399
Registration begins at 8 a.m.

2318
03:07:24,319 --> 03:07:30,240
I don't know if anybody
>> I would

2319
03:07:28,000 --> 03:07:34,160
forward this to everybody take a look at
it.

2320
03:07:31,120 --> 03:07:38,120
» And do we have to by what time frame do
we have to say or nay?

2321
03:07:39,120 --> 03:07:45,399
» Deadline October 1st.
>> Okay,

2322
03:07:47,439 --> 03:07:57,240
» that's all featured.
All righty. And we're at the scrap code

2323
03:07:53,359 --> 03:07:57,240
and comments for the public.

2324
03:07:58,240 --> 03:08:06,319
» So I have a few things I know talking
about your

2325
03:08:04,479 --> 03:08:11,680
four or five properties have been mowed
all year that I feel need to be

2326
03:08:08,560 --> 03:08:18,319
addressed and would be nice if you guys
would drive by. I mean, several of them

2327
03:08:15,359 --> 03:08:25,040
are within eyes sight, of course, and
and behind us on lots that are for sale

2328
03:08:22,399 --> 03:08:30,000
um that haven't been touched over by the
school is

2329
03:08:27,279 --> 03:08:35,359
that's probably one of the worst.
And then um

2330
03:08:32,720 --> 03:08:43,240
who is doing our water test? You can
tell us how safe the water is right now

2331
03:08:38,240 --> 03:08:43,240
and what the elements are.

2332
03:08:44,640 --> 03:08:49,600
company name.
>> Sage Waterworks.

2333
03:08:47,680 --> 03:08:54,399
» Sage Waterworks.
>> So, are they giving you a report here

2334
03:08:52,240 --> 03:08:58,399
that we get to see then?
>> I have them. I get them from Midland or

2335
03:08:57,760 --> 03:09:00,560
whatever.
>> The lab gives us reports. They just take

2336
03:09:00,240 --> 03:09:04,319
the sample.
>> They take the sample lab. They send

2337
03:09:02,479 --> 03:09:09,600
» and everything's been good
>> on that side of it. So, that's a good

2338
03:09:07,040 --> 03:09:14,960
thing on that side of it. Are you still
posting those like out there and on the

2339
03:09:12,720 --> 03:09:21,640
board and
>> told to do that?

2340
03:09:17,680 --> 03:09:21,640
» Never told me to do that.

2341
03:09:25,920 --> 03:09:31,880
» The annual
>> that's right there on the

2342
03:09:33,279 --> 03:09:41,840
» that's on the website.
>> And then also I never did hear

2343
03:09:38,560 --> 03:09:47,520
how the inspections ever went on our
taps that got done without any permits.

2344
03:09:45,120 --> 03:09:53,279
» Oh yeah. Um so that was that was some
some false information, right? So he had

2345
03:09:50,080 --> 03:09:57,040
uh he had done the water tap but he was
licensed installer. The sewer tap he

2346
03:09:55,040 --> 03:10:01,200
hadn't done. He waited for us to get uh
our inspector inspector inspection in

2347
03:09:59,600 --> 03:10:05,359
place.
>> It was in the water

2348
03:10:03,439 --> 03:10:09,359
» and on Walter Street.
>> Yep. But he's done them before the

2349
03:10:08,000 --> 03:10:16,720
permit.
>> The water he buried it

2350
03:10:13,680 --> 03:10:22,640
» and you got to bury it.
>> And so what was the consequence?

2351
03:10:20,319 --> 03:10:26,560
» Nothing.
>> Consequence of somebody tapping our

2352
03:10:25,600 --> 03:10:32,920
water without
>> So what are we talking about?

2353
03:10:28,319 --> 03:10:32,920
» Walter Street construction.

2354
03:10:33,439 --> 03:10:42,200
» Okay. He took pictures.
and he turned him in. He is legal.

2355
03:10:43,040 --> 03:10:49,120
» So that's all we got to do then to dig
it is just take pictures. And

2356
03:10:46,960 --> 03:10:53,439
» when you don't have a water inspector,
that is legal with the county.

2357
03:10:51,840 --> 03:10:58,160
» That is legal with the county because
the county did not have an inspector for

2358
03:10:55,840 --> 03:11:04,160
a while and they were telling people to
just take and do the work and make sure

2359
03:11:01,200 --> 03:11:09,720
they take appropriate pictures.
But we have different ordinances in the

2360
03:11:06,000 --> 03:11:09,720
city than the county.

2361
03:11:11,439 --> 03:11:19,479
» Thank you. That's the answer I need. So
appreciate it.

2362
03:11:20,479 --> 03:11:30,880
» Okay. Anybody else in the public?
All good. Everybody's happy

2363
03:11:27,680 --> 03:11:33,880
other than your bottle water.
No.

2364
03:11:34,399 --> 03:11:38,439
We should should have

2365
03:11:40,880 --> 03:11:45,880
this morning. This was yesterday

2366
03:11:46,960 --> 03:11:53,960
after my daughter took a bath in a brand
new tub.

2367
03:11:54,377 --> 03:12:04,560
[clears throat] That was the wipe down
>> inside the tub.

2368
03:12:00,880 --> 03:12:11,479
Then you have Manny.
>> So how long?

2369
03:12:08,319 --> 03:12:11,479
How long?

2370
03:12:14,000 --> 03:12:16,720
» And it's oily.
>> 30 years.

2371
03:12:16,160 --> 03:12:22,080
» Oily.
>> Yeah. It's like a film.

2372
03:12:20,399 --> 03:12:25,680
» And they've never had any problems other
than the last year.

2373
03:12:24,000 --> 03:12:31,600
» Well, to be honest, it's nothing to do
with you, Donna. But once that that

2374
03:12:28,560 --> 03:12:37,120
Chuck put that first house in, she has
had problem. So say anything Chuck did,

2375
03:12:35,840 --> 03:12:43,040
» but I'm wondering if
>> the lines over there have no connection

2376
03:12:39,680 --> 03:12:47,920
with those over where you're at.
>> No connection.

2377
03:12:46,319 --> 03:12:52,080
» All brand new lines.
>> I didn't see I didn't.

2378
03:12:50,240 --> 03:12:58,439
» But they tie in the Manny.
>> Yeah.

2379
03:12:54,240 --> 03:12:58,439
Well, that's what we were just talking.

2380
03:12:59,760 --> 03:13:03,319
» Well, you might as well.

2381
03:13:10,880 --> 03:13:15,680
» Yeah. I figure this problem's probably
been here for 40 years, right? I don't

2382
03:13:14,319 --> 03:13:19,680
know. How long have those mains been in
place?

2383
03:13:16,880 --> 03:13:22,640
» Long time. They're tile, aren't they?
>> No, the water.

2384
03:13:21,920 --> 03:13:26,720
assume means
>> are they duct tile or they plastic?

2385
03:13:24,560 --> 03:13:30,560
» A lot of duct tiles.
>> Every bit of its

2386
03:13:28,960 --> 03:13:33,600
brand new plastic.
>> Oh,

2387
03:13:31,120 --> 03:13:40,160
» no. But throughout all
>> Yeah. When we sold

2388
03:13:36,720 --> 03:13:44,479
» redo everything back in the day.
>> That was even before my time.

2389
03:13:43,520 --> 03:13:48,880
» Um when
>> that 20 years ago,

2390
03:13:46,160 --> 03:13:54,000
» well, further than that.
I I was I was here but I was not on the

2391
03:13:52,479 --> 03:13:58,640
board or anything when that happened.
And so I moved in here in ' 88.

2392
03:13:57,120 --> 03:14:01,640
» So it could have been any time after
that.

2393
03:14:03,040 --> 03:14:10,080
» It just as it would have occurred this
last

2394
03:14:07,120 --> 03:14:15,520
» year has been never has she had any
other issues.

2395
03:14:12,720 --> 03:14:21,840
» Yeah. And the people in the place down
below that built the first one

2396
03:14:18,479 --> 03:14:24,880
» said that they came to her and said,
"You had problems with brown water,

2397
03:14:23,840 --> 03:14:28,800
too."
>> No, the one in the greenhouse.

2398
03:14:26,960 --> 03:14:33,439
» It's a system under pressure. New
construction can't. It's not how it

2399
03:14:31,040 --> 03:14:39,120
works. You don't build a new house and
tap a new tap and now all of a sudden

2400
03:14:37,120 --> 03:14:42,160
bad stuff's getting into the lines.
>> No,

2401
03:14:39,840 --> 03:14:46,479
» that's not how they broke. So, what's
that? broke something or started it up

2402
03:14:44,640 --> 03:14:51,120
when they did it. Well, they come out
alive unless you lose pressure.

2403
03:14:49,920 --> 03:14:55,160
» Yeah. Something broke down there and
you're dropping the pressure and it's

2404
03:14:55,520 --> 03:14:59,520
» I mean, you just go from hydrant with a
gauge.

2405
03:14:58,640 --> 03:15:03,600
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. We're going to get we're going to

2406
03:15:00,960 --> 03:15:08,080
get uh we're gonna get Mike to get a
female here.

2407
03:15:06,479 --> 03:15:10,880
» Pressure check everything.
>> Yeah. Everything.

2408
03:15:09,120 --> 03:15:15,000
» Okay. Good.
>> Check. Can you say thank you

2409
03:15:16,880 --> 03:15:22,120
» they do everything really good really
good and really cheap

2410
03:15:27,520 --> 03:15:31,560
» okay um

2411
03:15:31,760 --> 03:15:40,319
» I guess we're trusty input
trusty Kramer you can start

2412
03:15:36,960 --> 03:15:47,920
» oh thank you for uh for holding down the
fort while fell sick and and uh

2413
03:15:45,840 --> 03:15:50,560
informational meeting was good. Little
longer than I would have hoped, but

2414
03:15:50,180 --> 03:15:54,120
[laughter]
>> we'll deal with it.

2415
03:15:55,040 --> 03:16:00,479
» That's all that's all I got.
>> Very good. Trusty Ferguson, how about

2416
03:15:59,279 --> 03:16:05,040
you?
>> Well, I think it was a very disruptive

2417
03:16:03,040 --> 03:16:10,239
meeting. I think there was two board
members that spoke out of turn quite a

2418
03:16:07,200 --> 03:16:16,800
bit without raising a hand. I am
facilitated a couple times, but I think

2419
03:16:13,040 --> 03:16:21,680
the meeting was a little disruptive and
backbiting.

2420
03:16:19,760 --> 03:16:27,560
» That's all I have to say.
>> Trusty Miller.

2421
03:16:24,560 --> 03:16:27,560
» Um,

2422
03:16:28,239 --> 03:16:34,160
no.
>> Trust me.

2423
03:16:32,080 --> 03:16:41,439
» I thought it was a really good meeting.
I um I think there's been a lot of work

2424
03:16:36,960 --> 03:16:46,880
done the last three weeks and it shows.
And um one thing we didn't mention that

2425
03:16:44,160 --> 03:16:52,399
I hope we can talk about next time is
the erosion on Tower Hill. All that dirt

2426
03:16:50,399 --> 03:16:57,200
that's coming down.
>> See if

2427
03:16:54,239 --> 03:17:02,000
um maybe I'll find something, but maybe
uh the vote members could

2428
03:17:00,399 --> 03:17:07,600
think about that as well.
>> Okay. But um yeah, I thought it was a

2429
03:17:05,600 --> 03:17:12,319
excellent meeting. I appreciate all the
work that was done so far and I'm

2430
03:17:10,479 --> 03:17:19,200
looking forward to reading this
contract. Again, I just wish it'd gotten

2431
03:17:14,880 --> 03:17:26,080
to to me before the meeting.
Otherwise, awesome.

2432
03:17:22,399 --> 03:17:31,120
» Very good. Um, you know, we got we got
things we got things being resolved. And

2433
03:17:29,120 --> 03:17:35,680
um,
yeah, growing pains growing pains are

2434
03:17:34,000 --> 03:17:39,566
going to happen. You know, this saying
I've come up with, I've been using a lot

2435
03:17:37,439 --> 03:17:42,800
recently, is that a beautiful
[clears throat] thing cannot grow in

2436
03:17:40,800 --> 03:17:50,319
undisturbed soil. You need a little bit
of shaking things up to make the town

2437
03:17:46,160 --> 03:17:55,279
grow. We really do. um this long very
long- winded discussion we had about the

2438
03:17:52,080 --> 03:18:00,160
sewer problem really I can I can dilute
that all down to ordinances need to be a

2439
03:17:58,000 --> 03:18:03,520
little less ambiguous and then we won't
have to have those big discussions about

2440
03:18:02,479 --> 03:18:07,520
I think we can work through the
ordinances and get them get them kind of

2441
03:18:05,520 --> 03:18:12,239
to the point where we don't have to
decide what to do because the ordinance

2442
03:18:09,840 --> 03:18:18,640
spells that out extremely plainly and
extremely clearly and fairly unimas

2443
03:18:16,560 --> 03:18:21,200
unanimously fairly across the door to
every citizen. Right. That's

2444
03:18:20,319 --> 03:18:25,439
interesting.
>> Yeah.

2445
03:18:23,040 --> 03:18:30,800
» May I say one thing? I'm not from the
area. I don't want bad histories. All I

2446
03:18:28,800 --> 03:18:34,239
can say is for everyone who attends
these meetings, we need to extend grace

2447
03:18:33,200 --> 03:18:40,239
to each other.
>> Yeah. I mean, grace for today, grace for

2448
03:18:38,000 --> 03:18:44,960
who was here before us, grace for the
people that were here 50 years before

2449
03:18:42,560 --> 03:18:49,600
us. We all are here trying to do the
best we can and we're going to make

2450
03:18:47,040 --> 03:18:51,840
mistakes.
>> True.

2451
03:18:50,640 --> 03:18:56,200
» Thank you.
>> It's our nature. It's our nature.

2452
03:18:57,600 --> 03:19:05,279
» Yeah.
>> Um but yeah, I think overall it's not 10

2453
03:19:02,479 --> 03:19:12,080
o'clock, so I'm happy about that.
>> Um okay. U Mr. James uh I think to the

2454
03:19:10,399 --> 03:19:18,319
board whether they want to review that
Preston settlement draft this meeting or

2455
03:19:15,120 --> 03:19:22,399
go to the next one after you look but
got the Terry's got the draft of it. So

2456
03:19:21,359 --> 03:19:26,560
» up to the board whether you've had
enough tonight or you want

2457
03:19:24,720 --> 03:19:30,720
» and and this is something we have to do
in private. We can't

2458
03:19:28,080 --> 03:19:36,239
» I I think it's
doesn't have to be, but they're probably

2459
03:19:33,439 --> 03:19:39,520
going to review it with their attorney
that discussion.

2460
03:19:37,600 --> 03:19:42,960
» I don't know.
>> Oh, my point is can I take it home and

2461
03:19:41,279 --> 03:19:47,520
look at it and we can discuss it at the
next meeting or can I not?

2462
03:19:45,520 --> 03:19:55,600
» I don't have any reason as long as we're
not discussing it. I open up to the

2463
03:19:50,960 --> 03:20:01,439
board. Here's the issue or um Wendon. Um
the issue is that um if we discuss it at

2464
03:19:59,120 --> 03:20:02,640
the meeting the draft becomes a public
document

2465
03:20:02,080 --> 03:20:05,359
» correct
>> it's an executive it's not a public do

2466
03:20:04,399 --> 03:20:09,279
that's probably the only reason I ask
for it to be an executive so the draft

2467
03:20:07,120 --> 03:20:12,640
itself is not public document
>> but other than that I don't care if you

2468
03:20:11,120 --> 03:20:15,600
take it home and look at it or that's
fine

2469
03:20:14,239 --> 03:20:19,279
I'm just trying to avoid that it was
just open to members of public in draft

2470
03:20:18,399 --> 03:20:21,600
form especially
>> in draft

2471
03:20:19,760 --> 03:20:23,200
» well I think that's the key is it's it's
draft

2472
03:20:21,920 --> 03:20:27,680
» it's in draft
>> yeah I I caught Like it's it's I think

2473
03:20:25,600 --> 03:20:30,800
of a board as like where there's five of
us, but sometimes we have to think as an

2474
03:20:29,520 --> 03:20:35,040
individual
>> and like you don't just walk around

2475
03:20:32,800 --> 03:20:39,040
saying everything you think
>> out loud in public. Sometimes you have

2476
03:20:36,880 --> 03:20:44,399
to have a private thought for a little
while.

2477
03:20:40,560 --> 03:20:49,600
» Uh I'm I'm okay with going to executive.
>> I'd make a motion to enter executive

2478
03:20:46,800 --> 03:20:54,880
session at 9:20 for legal
>> or legal. I'll second that. Second.

2479
03:20:52,720 --> 03:20:56,800
Further discussion? Seeing none, all
those in favor?

2480
03:20:56,399 --> 03:20:59,800
» I
>> I

2481
03:21:00,479 --> 03:21:05,479
» Thank you everybody. Anybody going to
wait?

2482
03:32:05,760 --> 03:32:09,720
We're back in recording.

2483
03:32:14,399 --> 03:32:20,640
» Motion to come out of the executive
session at 9:32.

2484
03:32:19,200 --> 03:32:26,560
We have a motion second.
>> Motion seconded. Further discussion?

2485
03:32:23,359 --> 03:32:31,120
» Seeing none, all those in favor? I
>> All right. Um I do believe we have an

2486
03:32:28,720 --> 03:32:35,920
action to take out of this executive
session. Um I would entertain a motion

2487
03:32:34,239 --> 03:32:41,520
authorizing the city attorney to
transfer the settlement proposal to the

2488
03:32:39,040 --> 03:32:49,439
attorney representing the Preston's and
to provide a uh 30day response window.

2489
03:32:47,760 --> 03:32:52,239
I will make that motion.
>> Motion made.

2490
03:32:50,720 --> 03:32:57,200
» You will second it.
>> Made and seconded. Further discussion?

2491
03:32:55,120 --> 03:33:03,439
Seeing none, all those in favor?
>> I motion passed. Okay. Um

2492
03:33:01,162 --> 03:33:08,960
[clears throat] and that's I guess who
wants to make the the final motion.

2493
03:33:05,600 --> 03:33:12,080
» I'll make a motion adjourn.
>> 9:33.

2494
03:33:10,640 --> 03:33:15,359
» Motion made. We have a second.
>> Sure.

2495
03:33:13,120 --> 03:33:17,600
» Made and seconded. Further discussion?
Seeing none. All those in favor?

2496
03:33:17,279 --> 03:33:19,920
» I
>> I meeting.

2497
03:33:19,439 --> 03:33:24,640
» Great.
>> I thought it was a good meeting.

2498
03:33:21,359 --> 03:33:24,640
» It was a good meeting.