1 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:50,840 Thank you. 2 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:52,420 Thank you. 3 00:01:52,780 --> 00:01:54,940 Have you finished down there? 4 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:55,420 I'm sorry. 5 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:56,040 I'm sorry. 6 00:01:56,780 --> 00:01:56,980 I'm sorry. 7 00:01:56,980 --> 00:02:00,260 I'm going to have an introduction from my right. 8 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:02,860 Diane Ralden? 9 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:04,540 Nick Nuclecent? 10 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:05,580 Dave Russell? 11 00:02:06,060 --> 00:02:06,440 Got call. 12 00:02:07,820 --> 00:02:09,420 There we go on. 13 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:11,920 One call at it? 14 00:02:13,460 --> 00:02:14,220 Vice chair. 15 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:17,840 Having said that. 16 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,960 Law is not here, so we can nominate her for everything. 17 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:30,040 Folks, we need a nomination from the floor to fill some positions. 18 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:35,460 We have a voting forum? 19 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:36,220 Yes sir. 20 00:02:36,340 --> 00:02:36,560 We do. 21 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:39,480 Then Mr. Chairman. 22 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,660 Paul, I was going to go ahead. 23 00:02:44,860 --> 00:02:45,720 You do it, you first. 24 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:46,520 Okay. 25 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:47,980 Whatever. 26 00:02:48,900 --> 00:02:49,360 Mr. Chairman. 27 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,120 Yes, please like be recognized for person of the nomination 28 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:57,140 So be it. I'm not made commissioner doves his vice chair to step up to chairman 29 00:02:57,140 --> 00:02:58,900 Second thing 30 00:03:02,130 --> 00:03:04,650 all in favor any opposed 31 00:03:05,650 --> 00:03:11,070 We need a nomination for the floor for vice chair, please well seeing is that she has she isn't here 32 00:03:14,490 --> 00:03:20,310 You've worked for her she's been right home. Yeah, you can't look at the way 33 00:03:20,310 --> 00:03:22,670 you'll be inspired on those rules you can't be 34 00:03:22,670 --> 00:03:24,250 you can't be a vice chair 35 00:03:24,250 --> 00:03:27,990 because by all means they can't serve you to share so it doesn't make sense of vice chair 36 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:30,490 that's why it's the same way yes sir 37 00:03:30,490 --> 00:03:34,750 well she could attend meetings when the chair don't feel like going right as the vice chair 38 00:03:34,750 --> 00:03:37,050 no no she can't run the meeting okay 39 00:03:37,050 --> 00:03:38,810 all right I'll make a nomination 40 00:03:39,450 --> 00:03:39,930 please 41 00:03:39,930 --> 00:03:41,850 um... nicknicalson for vice chair 42 00:03:42,770 --> 00:03:47,990 though a motion and a second for commissioner nicknicalson to hold the role as 43 00:03:47,990 --> 00:03:50,290 I share the MPO all in favor. 44 00:03:50,870 --> 00:03:51,790 So be it. 45 00:03:51,930 --> 00:03:52,730 Thank you, then. 46 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,020 Let the record show there. 47 00:03:58,020 --> 00:03:59,040 The mayor has arrived. 48 00:03:59,900 --> 00:04:01,100 You are just a elected chairman. 49 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:04,580 We tried. 50 00:04:04,900 --> 00:04:06,100 They wouldn't allow us. 51 00:04:06,340 --> 00:04:07,740 We tried, but they said it wouldn't legal. 52 00:04:09,780 --> 00:04:12,280 I said since when does that deter us? 53 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,880 Looking for a approval or modification to the gender folks? 54 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:18,580 Some who. 55 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,060 I have a motion back to Mr. Rodden. 56 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:21,740 I'll second. 57 00:04:21,740 --> 00:04:22,460 Second, my commissioner. 58 00:04:23,180 --> 00:04:24,380 Nicholson, all in favor. 59 00:04:24,940 --> 00:04:24,980 Aye. 60 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:26,620 I've said that. 61 00:04:26,940 --> 00:04:28,720 We also need an approval for the minutes. 62 00:04:29,740 --> 00:04:30,480 To move. 63 00:04:31,420 --> 00:04:33,520 We have a motion back to Mr. Nicholson. 64 00:04:33,820 --> 00:04:34,600 Yes, sir. 65 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,900 We still have other appointments to make with regard to the MPO. 66 00:04:40,100 --> 00:04:42,760 We just to care of the officers at the MPO. 67 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,080 The less than afforded MPO chairs coordinating committee. 68 00:04:47,980 --> 00:04:56,640 They offer or being chairs, coordinating committee, nominally the chair of the MPO attends that meeting, the CCC meetings, and they're quarterly. 69 00:04:57,540 --> 00:05:04,960 However, we also appoint an alternate, presently, the alternate is Larry Bradburn of the city. 70 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:11,980 So we need the primary representative, if you nominally as I said, is the chair or a dozen new of the chair. 71 00:05:13,550 --> 00:05:21,210 One statement I wanted to share with you, I attended the last CCC meeting on your behalf, and 72 00:05:21,210 --> 00:05:26,590 They're looking forward to appointment from that committee to also be an appointment to T-Barda 73 00:05:26,590 --> 00:05:31,050 I know that we have one representative on T-Barda and then another local on T-Barda 74 00:05:31,050 --> 00:05:36,750 It may not matter in your discussions, but I just wanted you all to be aware of that. They're looking for someone 75 00:05:37,810 --> 00:05:42,530 Who sits on the CCC board to also serve on T-Barda 76 00:05:43,930 --> 00:05:44,290 Yes. 77 00:05:44,470 --> 00:05:45,990 Do we need to go through these? 78 00:05:46,350 --> 00:05:47,170 I mean there's five of them. 79 00:05:47,210 --> 00:05:48,590 Do we need to go through one by one? 80 00:05:48,790 --> 00:05:49,150 Yes. 81 00:05:49,390 --> 00:05:55,610 Except for the last one with regard to the T-bar, that was appointed under the Board of 82 00:05:55,610 --> 00:06:00,090 County Commissioners, because the appointment is to the county, not to the MPO individually, 83 00:06:00,390 --> 00:06:01,050 and then there's the governor. 84 00:06:01,390 --> 00:06:01,810 Turn it out. 85 00:06:02,030 --> 00:06:02,630 I'm going to mention the Russell. 86 00:06:03,550 --> 00:06:03,730 Okay. 87 00:06:04,670 --> 00:06:07,410 Well, we did the hearing of the county, MPO, right, just stormed we got done with. 88 00:06:07,450 --> 00:06:07,850 Yes, sir. 89 00:06:07,950 --> 00:06:08,910 And now we're on the CCC. 90 00:06:08,910 --> 00:06:22,770 So Mr. Chairman, I'd move the domination for you as Chairman to be the CCC member, which is a Chairman's commission. 91 00:06:24,250 --> 00:06:25,270 Which makes sense. 92 00:06:25,590 --> 00:06:28,730 Patrick, we should agree. We should leave it as the Chairman. 93 00:06:29,470 --> 00:06:29,970 Mr. Representative. 94 00:06:30,190 --> 00:06:31,170 That's the second to the move. 95 00:06:31,690 --> 00:06:31,990 Second. 96 00:06:32,770 --> 00:06:33,850 Okay, so all the favour? 97 00:06:34,370 --> 00:06:34,590 Aye. 98 00:06:35,290 --> 00:06:40,950 And then I will also move to do it all on it be Laura again, I guess that's okay to do that. 99 00:06:43,460 --> 00:06:44,440 On the favor? 100 00:06:44,740 --> 00:06:45,500 All right. 101 00:06:45,500 --> 00:06:49,000 We get the motion there from Mr. Russell and second by Mr. 102 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,220 No, it's the other way around, wasn't it? 103 00:06:51,860 --> 00:06:53,060 Mr. Nicholson, do you make that motion? 104 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:53,980 Okay. 105 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:03,540 And then the 40 MPO if I made Mr. Chairman, I would keep Laura as representative for the city of Brooksville 106 00:07:03,540 --> 00:07:06,280 On the 40 MPO, the vice-console? 107 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:07,460 Yes. 108 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:09,040 Second. 109 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,880 I have a motion by Commissioner Nicholson to say 110 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,520 about Commissioner Russell, all in favor. 111 00:07:13,980 --> 00:07:14,080 Hi. 112 00:07:14,740 --> 00:07:15,400 Are you opposed? 113 00:07:16,420 --> 00:07:17,940 Okay, I need the alternate for that position. 114 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,700 I would, I'd nominate Diane for the alternate. 115 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:22,940 I was going to do Nick. 116 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:25,940 Okay. 117 00:07:26,180 --> 00:07:26,560 Okay. 118 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:27,140 I'm doing Nick. 119 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:28,400 Okay. 120 00:07:29,060 --> 00:07:30,020 I'll withdraw my motion. 121 00:07:30,380 --> 00:07:31,240 Second it. 122 00:07:33,540 --> 00:07:39,800 So what is the motion motion would be for Nick Nicholson as by myself second by commissioner 123 00:07:40,540 --> 00:07:44,370 So on a favor 124 00:07:46,030 --> 00:07:51,650 What's next in the transportation disadvantage I'll make motion per wing to be 125 00:07:52,770 --> 00:07:55,130 Actually, I would 126 00:07:55,130 --> 00:07:56,850 You want to do that? 127 00:07:56,950 --> 00:07:59,010 Okay, I'll with Ron and I'll nominate Dave 128 00:07:59,770 --> 00:08:01,270 Oh, okay 129 00:08:01,270 --> 00:08:09,390 So he's already been a so. Okay. So I'm sorry? I'm ready for this side. He's already been a sign. I'm sorry. I'm sorry I don't wish around. I'm sorry alright. 130 00:08:11,510 --> 00:08:11,730 Yes. 131 00:08:13,910 --> 00:08:15,110 All the favor. Hi. 132 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,440 I want you to take it from here since I screwed that one up Dave. 133 00:08:22,540 --> 00:08:27,860 I'm a combination for commissioner Russell for the tea bard. 134 00:08:28,860 --> 00:08:31,620 Hey, well actually he's already been appointed button under the county. 135 00:08:31,620 --> 00:08:35,620 or you need the ultimate well then we need an alternate wind dukes 136 00:08:35,620 --> 00:08:41,140 actually let's have already assigned me to that 137 00:08:41,660 --> 00:08:44,900 why are you even else 138 00:08:44,900 --> 00:08:50,680 so someone who want to nominate me 139 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:51,440 they're all signed 140 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,720 oh why are we having fun yet focused on first 141 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,980 i forgot i'm sorry we need a vote done with yes we do 142 00:09:00,980 --> 00:09:05,120 We have a motion on floor folks all the favor. I 143 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,080 I forgot about all of his appointments 144 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:15,660 Are we okay now, Dennis? Yes, or thank you 145 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,200 There's not a second thanks chair 146 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:23,920 No 147 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,960 I left 148 00:09:33,830 --> 00:09:38,690 my agenda upstairs, so I'm trying to scroll down on this thing to find out. I can't really read off my 149 00:09:38,850 --> 00:09:43,910 computer screen. Oh, thank you, sir. 150 00:09:46,980 --> 00:09:47,800 Oh my goodness. 151 00:09:50,050 --> 00:09:50,050 Okay. 152 00:09:58,590 --> 00:10:01,390 So now we're back to the approval of minutes. I'll 153 00:10:01,390 --> 00:10:09,330 mean to I'll request a move. I have a motion by Commissioner Nicholson and a second by the Mr. Russell to approve the 154 00:10:09,330 --> 00:10:15,820 minutes on favor. Is there any comment about correspondence and note? 155 00:10:19,940 --> 00:10:25,060 We have two resolutions. Is that correct? Yes, sir. Thank you. 156 00:10:25,060 --> 00:10:32,340 Chair. In your package is two resolutions, our two resolutions. The first of which is a resolution 157 00:10:32,340 --> 00:10:36,600 supporting advancement for the design and construction of the Sumpas Parkway 2 in 158 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:43,800 Sifters County. Turmpac Enterprise is completed 60% of the design plans for this project 159 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:51,300 and they programmed over $25 million for advanced right-of-way acquisition. The Hernando County 160 00:10:51,300 --> 00:11:03,060 MPO would lend its support to the Citrus County Board of County Commissioners to make this a high priority project and this resolution is being put forward to support that project. 161 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,940 There's a resolution, including no low spots in the road allowed. 162 00:11:07,140 --> 00:11:09,660 I'm sure they'll address that. Yes sir. 163 00:11:10,900 --> 00:11:12,920 They'll make sure it's not on the floodplain. 164 00:11:14,180 --> 00:11:16,640 What do you need for a motion or a consensus? 165 00:11:17,300 --> 00:11:17,960 We need a motion. 166 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:22,480 Okay. I mean, said that folks we need a motion for this support of this resolution. 167 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:23,620 Assembly. 168 00:11:24,060 --> 00:11:24,860 I'll sign up. 169 00:11:24,900 --> 00:11:27,500 We have a motion back to Mr. Raoul and second back to Mr. Nick. 170 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,980 Support the resolution for Suncoast and Citrus County. 171 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:32,640 All in favor. 172 00:11:34,620 --> 00:11:35,580 Thank you. 173 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:36,020 Thanks, sir. 174 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:45,040 The next resolution is for the, again, supporting the advancement for design and construction of the SR50 corridor in the adjacent high 75. 175 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:52,840 have. This area has been approved for development by the counties. At the last board 176 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:58,860 Nina believe several adjacent landowners came to this board requesting the DOT advanced 177 00:11:58,860 --> 00:12:05,780 design and construction if it was at all possible. The attached resolution supports that 178 00:12:05,780 --> 00:12:14,700 laying out the reasons why we feel this should be advanced. An SIS facility, it will help 179 00:12:14,700 --> 00:12:18,180 support the economic growth to the area of the 7th and 7th. 180 00:12:19,770 --> 00:12:24,390 Steve did that also include the area east of 75 was as part of this project. 181 00:12:24,730 --> 00:12:26,010 Two Sherman Hills Boulevard Desert. 182 00:12:26,710 --> 00:12:29,190 Now there was a lot of questions and concerns about that. 183 00:12:29,270 --> 00:12:33,470 Will we at some point get some sort of feedback on the concerns of the board at that time? 184 00:12:33,790 --> 00:12:37,550 About where it was going to end and what somebody asked to take it off father and 185 00:12:37,550 --> 00:12:40,270 say we're asking for catering, extending all the way to catering. 186 00:12:40,270 --> 00:12:46,930 And there was questions too about taking away the light and having people get trying to get back across the road to get back on 75. 187 00:12:48,050 --> 00:12:52,930 All right, but we get feedback when those things are resolved or whatever what they intend to do if anything. 188 00:12:54,170 --> 00:13:00,190 The specific area around the interchange, the operational issues that will come back to the Info in February or March. 189 00:13:00,190 --> 00:13:14,270 This is more for GEOC's programmatic encouragement of the multi-laying of the sections east of the I-75 to catering and catering to McEathen McEathen to 301 and eventually all the way to the term party. 190 00:13:14,390 --> 00:13:16,230 Thank you. 191 00:13:16,450 --> 00:13:16,710 Ms. Van. 192 00:13:16,850 --> 00:13:18,790 Lee Royal Department of Transportation. 193 00:13:19,210 --> 00:13:21,730 We'd be happy to provide that feedback to you. 194 00:13:22,330 --> 00:13:29,510 We're actually looking at all the concerns expressed at the last MPO meeting and we'll be happy to bring that back to you. 195 00:13:29,510 --> 00:13:36,650 I had quite a few questions to ask about, you know, the possibility of congestion and or the traffic would not like there. 196 00:13:37,110 --> 00:13:38,530 So I would really appreciate that. 197 00:13:38,570 --> 00:13:40,270 No problem. Be happy too. 198 00:13:41,170 --> 00:13:41,550 Yes sir. 199 00:13:41,690 --> 00:13:42,770 Yes ma'am. 200 00:13:43,070 --> 00:13:44,670 And thank you for bringing that. 201 00:13:44,670 --> 00:13:46,510 That was my question in regards to this. 202 00:13:46,690 --> 00:13:48,510 I thought that this doesn't have lights. 203 00:13:48,630 --> 00:13:49,850 Oh, he doesn't have. 204 00:13:50,050 --> 00:13:51,590 Is that on? Is that better? 205 00:13:52,010 --> 00:13:52,250 Yes ma'am. 206 00:13:53,010 --> 00:13:54,630 Thank you very much. 207 00:13:55,270 --> 00:13:58,450 I thought based on our comments and conversations at the last meeting 208 00:13:58,450 --> 00:14:04,890 that that would actually be part of the resolution process so that we could strengthen a unified 209 00:14:04,890 --> 00:14:11,630 call for that. Is that not my understanding or is that our collective understanding? 210 00:14:12,290 --> 00:14:18,330 Well we went back and played the meeting back on the video tape and we wrote it the way that we 211 00:14:18,330 --> 00:14:23,310 understood it. What I had mentioned in the last meeting was that we have a study underway the 212 00:14:23,310 --> 00:14:30,050 PODs with our consultant, analyzing the circulation in the area, DOT is already well-advanced 213 00:14:30,050 --> 00:14:33,810 design for the interstate and the interchange area itself. 214 00:14:33,950 --> 00:14:37,790 So this isn't a future project, this is something that is a little different than these 215 00:14:37,790 --> 00:14:39,810 others bringing them into the program. 216 00:14:40,350 --> 00:14:44,290 What we're discussing in the immediate interchange areas are already underway. 217 00:14:45,310 --> 00:14:50,230 So little differences, and when our consultant comes up with their findings on how we're 218 00:14:50,230 --> 00:14:55,030 to what we need to do with our front-of-the-road system and signalization. 219 00:14:55,370 --> 00:14:56,510 That's coming in February of March. 220 00:14:57,010 --> 00:14:59,970 That work was already underway within one of the things that we had to... 221 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:15,820 August also was that, because it was already underway, that to enter its center, then later, would actually save money long-term to taxpayers, but also ensure that that smooth transition exists now, rather than later, which costs us more and causes more headaches for traffic. 222 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,620 I thought that was part of our conversation. Am I mistaken on that? 223 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:28,260 Dennis, excuse me, Mr. Bradburn, if you look at the resolution, the resolution does include 224 00:15:28,260 --> 00:15:35,160 advancing design and construction from east of I-75 to catering, which would include the 225 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:40,860 Sherman Hills Boulevard intersection. So it is included in the resolution, I think, that we 226 00:15:41,460 --> 00:15:47,040 tried to reflect the discussion that we had at the last meeting. And we will be giving you a presentation 227 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:53,420 from our consultant relative to the frontage road system, the traffic lights, congestion and traffic 228 00:15:53,420 --> 00:15:56,840 in that area, and we will coordinate that with DOT, those findings as well. 229 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,540 So I think that's kind of what I was thinking. 230 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:01,920 If I made Mr. Chairman, 231 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,280 because Dave pointed out, you don't have lights over there. 232 00:16:07,540 --> 00:16:07,840 It's a wave. 233 00:16:10,500 --> 00:16:13,700 Dennis Aron, whoever, a newspaper, 234 00:16:14,820 --> 00:16:19,140 he had an article on there about us being a favor of this, 235 00:16:19,180 --> 00:16:21,200 and now the developer is not going to have to pay anything. 236 00:16:22,220 --> 00:16:25,020 Those impact fees are the developers agreement. 237 00:16:25,020 --> 00:16:25,900 It's still in place. 238 00:16:25,900 --> 00:16:28,540 I mean, we're not doing away with the developers agreement. 239 00:16:29,940 --> 00:16:30,660 Can you answer that? 240 00:16:31,700 --> 00:16:34,560 I'll try to give you a general answer without having the agreement in front of me. 241 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:42,120 But my recollection of that particular agreement is that the developer receives impact fee credits for construction. 242 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:47,220 So if there's no construction, then the developer would have to pay impact fees. 243 00:16:47,860 --> 00:16:51,860 And there are other improvements that are associated with that particular development order. 244 00:16:51,860 --> 00:16:54,540 We're not doing the way with that. 245 00:16:55,180 --> 00:16:55,900 No, correct. 246 00:16:56,340 --> 00:16:59,840 And what's happening, I think, given the market, 247 00:17:00,220 --> 00:17:03,220 that project has really slowed down. 248 00:17:04,460 --> 00:17:07,260 So I think we anticipated a much hotter market, 249 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:08,780 and that project would move forward, 250 00:17:09,300 --> 00:17:11,240 but we still need to have this project done. 251 00:17:11,660 --> 00:17:14,100 And the state is cooperating with us to get this project done. 252 00:17:14,120 --> 00:17:16,480 If we wait on the development, we may be waiting. 253 00:17:16,820 --> 00:17:20,120 Why do you want us to clear that, as a commission, 254 00:17:20,120 --> 00:17:24,560 we're not giving this money away. We're going to still get the money one way or another. 255 00:17:25,860 --> 00:17:30,440 If they don't get impact fee credits, they don't have to pay the impact fees. 256 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,120 That's correct. That's correct. 257 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:37,140 Wait a minute, if you don't have impact fees, how are they going to be paying an impact 258 00:17:37,140 --> 00:17:41,560 fees? Well, we have the commissioner, we have not resolved that 259 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,060 question. That's an ongoing discussion. 260 00:17:45,060 --> 00:17:46,580 We're going to go around with this. 261 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,520 Are we good over there now, guys? 262 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:51,960 Yeah. 263 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,860 So we need a motion for that resolution, folks. 264 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,880 This is a for the resolution supporting advancement of design 265 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,560 and construction of the 50 quarter adjacent to 70. 266 00:18:03,660 --> 00:18:05,780 I move motion by Commissioner Nicholson. 267 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:09,620 Second by Commissioner Russell, all in favor. 268 00:18:09,980 --> 00:18:10,220 Hi. 269 00:18:11,020 --> 00:18:12,380 Thank you. 270 00:18:12,780 --> 00:18:14,200 The gestion management process. 271 00:18:15,260 --> 00:18:15,960 Who's doing that? 272 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,320 Actually, I think we're going to do MPO portion at next item G. 273 00:18:19,380 --> 00:18:20,020 You're right. 274 00:18:20,340 --> 00:18:20,620 Thank you. 275 00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:22,160 How that I'm trying to run through this or anything. 276 00:18:23,700 --> 00:18:27,560 This is going to be a multiple presentation effort. 277 00:18:27,620 --> 00:18:32,000 Firstly, Royal will give us the background of the MPO portion at process. 278 00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:39,390 I think this is still there. 279 00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:42,470 Every year, I'll just get some background. 280 00:18:42,490 --> 00:18:47,010 Every 10 years, after the decennial census, the urban areas are updated, 281 00:18:47,670 --> 00:18:51,130 and the MPOs are re-apportioned according to those urban areas, 282 00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:56,930 which they're supposed to serve, it's a little more interesting this time than in the last two times 283 00:18:56,930 --> 00:19:01,530 with the advent of the urbanized area in Citrus County. 284 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:11,740 Mr. Chairman, how we would like to handle this is that Ms. Royale will give you a presentation 285 00:19:11,740 --> 00:19:17,120 on the apportionment process and then after that presentation we'd like to have a discussion 286 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:22,620 with you regarding the new urbanized area in Citrus County and how that could potentially 287 00:19:22,620 --> 00:19:26,720 impact us and how you would like us to proceed with that. 288 00:19:26,940 --> 00:19:31,320 And Mr. Cofford is here, and I'm sure he'll want to comment when we have that discussion 289 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:31,980 as well. 290 00:19:32,580 --> 00:19:32,700 Thank you. 291 00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:33,520 Thank you. 292 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:34,020 Hello. 293 00:19:34,460 --> 00:19:37,500 Again, my name is Lee Royale with the Florida Department of Transportation. 294 00:19:39,020 --> 00:19:47,280 And we, I'm here to talk about the reapportionment plan and designation of MPOs. 295 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:55,020 This gives you an overview of what the census area looks like in the district, which includes 296 00:19:55,020 --> 00:19:57,980 citrus, Hernando Pasco, Penelas, and Hillsborough. 297 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:08,300 2010, you can see it's grown and it actually had a name change to spring hill, but you 298 00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:13,780 can see how the population has grown in the county in the urbanized area. 299 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:28,600 In citrus, it's a very new urbanized area. They're growing, and this was, and you can 300 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:34,420 see they have opportunities to grow north and they have an opportunity to grow 301 00:20:34,420 --> 00:20:35,100 to south. 302 00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:43,790 You can see how it's changed over the years. The blue, you can see the 303 00:20:43,790 --> 00:20:45,430 variety of how they're urbanized. 304 00:20:50,290 --> 00:20:52,990 I just want to go over what this means. 305 00:20:54,010 --> 00:21:01,570 Every 10 years with the census, the MPOs are identified through the census urbanized areas. 306 00:21:02,990 --> 00:21:12,410 You are typically notified and asked to develop an apportionment plan that shows the makeup of your voting membership and your board. 307 00:21:12,410 --> 00:21:27,990 And how it's going to represent the planning area and for this area, I think you have a lot of opportunities forthcoming. 308 00:21:31,220 --> 00:21:32,240 Typically, 309 00:21:34,580 --> 00:21:41,680 the Apportionment Plan is an agreed to plan between the individuals representing 310 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:50,800 75% of the affected governing population, along with any transportation authorities that 311 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,360 may be serving on the board. 312 00:21:52,660 --> 00:21:58,960 Your Apportionment Plan goes up to the Governor's Office, and it's a mutual approval process, 313 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:09,260 And then it comes back and you're within the designation and you're then approved and you start executing the appropriate agreements and whatnot. 314 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,300 We're in the first step and that's in your apportionment plan. 315 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:26,800 Just to go over some of the requirements of your governing board, it doesn't include elected officials, 316 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:36,200 transportation providers, authorities, and it can include anywhere from 15 to 19 members. 317 00:22:38,620 --> 00:22:48,860 Again, the Governor will review the composition of your board to ensure that it is meeting state law. 318 00:22:49,940 --> 00:22:53,500 May I believe you misspoke, you could 15 to 19, you mean 5 to 19? 319 00:22:53,620 --> 00:22:55,060 Yes, I mean 5 to 19. 320 00:22:55,060 --> 00:22:57,240 Thank you. 321 00:22:57,420 --> 00:22:59,200 Big difference on that. 322 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:12,280 Things that we've been in discussions with staff and with citrus transportation planning 323 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:21,580 organization is looking at a regional MPO here that can fight combining citrus and 324 00:23:21,580 --> 00:23:25,300 hernando's urbanized planning areas. 325 00:23:25,300 --> 00:23:36,220 We believe that there's a lot of possibilities in planning and moving projects forward 326 00:23:36,220 --> 00:23:37,420 regionally. 327 00:23:38,180 --> 00:23:43,280 I think with limited resources that we're seeing, I think it would be an opportunity 328 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:51,780 to combine your resources and powers to move projects forward and plan forward. 329 00:23:53,640 --> 00:24:04,540 And looking at the northern area, just within your recent actions on this agenda of voting for resolution towards the Norasund Coast, 330 00:24:04,740 --> 00:24:10,560 I think this board would have a lot of influence as a regional board. 331 00:24:11,420 --> 00:24:14,420 We're just starting the consultation process. 332 00:24:14,420 --> 00:24:23,720 I'll be meeting with both citrus and hernando staffs going through the process and talking about the re-apportionment. 333 00:24:24,860 --> 00:24:34,740 I believe this will be coming back to the board for their action and an ultimate for apportionment approvals. 334 00:24:34,740 --> 00:24:41,900 But it is a consultation process and we start with staff in our work our way up through 335 00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:44,200 workshop with board members. 336 00:24:45,180 --> 00:24:47,300 So there will be more to come. 337 00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:59,620 We're looking for the Apportion Plan to be developed by March, April, timeframe, and I believe 338 00:24:59,620 --> 00:25:07,060 we'll have a series of workshops with staff and the elected official boards to develop that. 339 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:14,060 And I believe we have an additional speaker, our friend Bob Clepper. 340 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,600 Mr. Chairman before before Bob speak, come on Bob up to the podium. Thank you. 341 00:25:21,540 --> 00:25:30,700 I think what Ms. Royale was saying is that you as an MPO decide that a regional MPO is a good idea 342 00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:32,640 And you direct us to move forward. 343 00:25:32,860 --> 00:25:34,920 We would have to develop an apportionment plan. 344 00:25:35,380 --> 00:25:40,200 We would bring that apportionment plan back to you for a series of discussions with you. 345 00:25:40,540 --> 00:25:46,180 Should you agree with the apportionment plan, then all the local governments that are affected by it would have to individually 346 00:25:46,180 --> 00:25:52,040 at their own elected board meetings, adopt resolution supporting the apportionment plan, 347 00:25:52,140 --> 00:25:55,880 and then we submit it to the state or the governor's office for approval. 348 00:25:56,420 --> 00:26:07,100 Ron, would it be, would it be advantageous, very one of our next upcoming workshops set aside some time on that to discuss this and maybe staff could prepare not a big deal, 349 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,940 but it's kind of give us the heads up, because we've got one commissioner not here and what that would entail and stuff. 350 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,100 We could maybe take a half an hour, 45 minutes out of one of the workshops to talk about that. 351 00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:24,000 we could do that. However, you know, this is really an MPO process and I think what we'd 352 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:29,020 like to do is have some, unless you direct us to do something different, we'd like to have 353 00:26:29,020 --> 00:26:34,040 some discussions with, with Citrus County, with the district and then bring something back to 354 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:39,400 this board that would reflect how that apportionment would work. I'd be glad to update the Board of 355 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,440 County Commissioners if you want me to at a workshop. The only thing I see differences, these 356 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:49,740 meeting to take place at the end of the full day. Whereas in a workshop, it would be fresh. 357 00:26:50,780 --> 00:26:55,760 You know, we could even set aside a special workshop for it so that we could do it with clear minds. 358 00:26:56,360 --> 00:27:01,180 I mean, whatever the consensus is, but I look forward to hearing for more about this. 359 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,800 Okay. We can work something into, you know, into your workshop schedule. 360 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:06,720 Mr. Chairman? 361 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,240 Mr. Chairman? 362 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,080 Mr. Chairman? 363 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:09,760 No, I'm not sure. 364 00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:12,100 I know this, but obviously I don't intend commission workshops. 365 00:27:13,220 --> 00:27:15,400 If you could ask me if we invited you right. 366 00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:17,600 If my schedule allows. 367 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:18,880 However, 368 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,820 the, you know, particularly as a member of MoPAC representing this foreign 369 00:27:25,820 --> 00:27:29,660 in the county, there's been a lot of discussion over the years. 370 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,700 And I think it's part of the discussion process. 371 00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:40,340 We really need to talk about the role of MPOs and where the state sees that going and you know 372 00:27:40,340 --> 00:27:45,620 I know Commissioner Russell has had much discussion on this as well and you know 373 00:27:45,620 --> 00:27:47,900 Particularly if you're going to be joining with other regions 374 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:54,260 Where is the duplication? Where is that lie? What is the benefits of 375 00:27:54,260 --> 00:27:59,210 an MPO if we're forced to go to a regional approach as far as as opposed to 376 00:27:59,210 --> 00:28:07,110 simply a local approach, and what is the role of no-pack since the governor already appoints a separate transportation board. 377 00:28:08,510 --> 00:28:12,090 And I think all of those things really need to enter into the discussion. 378 00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:19,850 We're sort of a small fish and a big pond menu in that statewide discussion, 379 00:28:20,370 --> 00:28:24,230 but I think it needs to start somewhere, and if we're going to be discussing it particularly 380 00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:30,590 And in the vein of consolidation, perhaps those issues need to be discussed as well. 381 00:28:31,030 --> 00:28:32,510 Actually, I agree with you 100%. 382 00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:39,390 Now, having said that, Ron, taking into consideration what Mayor said, there's no reason 383 00:28:39,390 --> 00:28:44,230 why we couldn't have a workshop as MPO, is there? 384 00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:47,050 Absolutely, you can do that. 385 00:28:47,610 --> 00:28:55,050 We give it our full attention if staff chance to put something together after you talk to the other counties and if you have any questions 386 00:28:55,050 --> 00:28:59,670 For many of the members please feed those in the staff so they can brief us on them. I think it's a good idea 387 00:29:00,790 --> 00:29:03,630 So we'll even your hands wrong. Thank you. Thank you 388 00:29:05,650 --> 00:29:08,490 Yes, sir. Welcome. Thank you Bob Clifford 389 00:29:09,210 --> 00:29:12,910 I'm in the second director of Tvarta, but I'm actually here in a different role today 390 00:29:12,910 --> 00:29:14,070 I'm here 391 00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:17,210 representing citrus county. We actually provide 392 00:29:18,210 --> 00:29:23,270 management services, if you will, two citrus, about a year ago, they created a transportation 393 00:29:23,270 --> 00:29:31,590 planning organization, kind of a precursor to their anticipated ability to meet the census 394 00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:37,870 requirements to be designated as an MPO. That was every decade, this occurs. There were 395 00:29:37,870 --> 00:29:42,430 now, at that point in time, where they have met the requirement from a federal perspective 396 00:29:42,970 --> 00:29:49,670 to be represented by a full MPO. So I'm here in that role before you. One of the things 397 00:29:49,670 --> 00:29:54,350 that we've been talking about as part of this is it is a process. You've heard it from 398 00:29:54,350 --> 00:29:59,970 Ms. Royale, you've heard it from Mr. Pianta that there is a process to go through this 399 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,180 This is certainly new to citrus, who's very interested in the dialogue and the conversation 400 00:30:06,180 --> 00:30:14,140 understanding how this moves forward. They've heard very loud and clear from FDOT, that they 401 00:30:14,140 --> 00:30:19,960 really look at it from the perspective of joining and existing MPO as opposed to creating a new 402 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:28,140 MPO. We reached out, talked with staffs of the three adjacent MPOs. In this case, Marion County, 403 00:30:28,140 --> 00:30:35,420 the Lake Sumter, MPO, and Hernando, for many reasons, I think the biggest one is the fact 404 00:30:35,420 --> 00:30:41,300 that citrus views themselves as part of the Tampa Bay region and views themselves most closely 405 00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:49,400 with Hernando County as opposed to Marianne or Lake and Sumter counties. And as part of that 406 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:56,820 process, they've given me the ability to come speak with you all. You've got our request that 407 00:30:56,820 --> 00:31:03,060 The first part of the process is to identify to the governor, who is ultimately, who we 408 00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:09,100 have to all go to, to identify to him that we would like to enter into into that conversation, 409 00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:16,460 formally enter into that conversation with Hernando, and see if we were not able to come 410 00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:22,920 to a place in time that makes sense to work together, to come up with a plan as Mr. Pianta 411 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:28,580 indicated in the enforcement plan as they call it, to be able to go through that and to move 412 00:31:28,580 --> 00:31:35,980 forward ultimately. We see it from the issue of resources, both local resources and federal and 413 00:31:35,980 --> 00:31:42,120 state resources and real abilities there, kind of going to Ms. Brad Burns position or 414 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:48,680 point about kind of a small fish issue. We can citrus a slightly smaller than hernando, 415 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,820 kind of the same position, thinking that there might be that ability to collectively speak 416 00:31:53,820 --> 00:31:59,100 with a larger voice, particularly when we look at the issue of transportation resources 417 00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:02,340 and funding and having that opportunity and ability. 418 00:32:03,140 --> 00:32:07,120 So from our perspective, speaking for Citrus, we're excited. 419 00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:14,800 We'd like to begin that process with Hernando, would like you all to consider that and if you're 420 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:20,220 obliged to to enter into that discussion process, as Ms. Royale mentioned, that we 421 00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:23,600 go ahead and start doing that and notify the governor that we would then start working 422 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,920 through to see if we can't come up with a plan. 423 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,440 And if that was the chair of any questions you have a meter of, if you're something more 424 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:31,140 than happy to answer before. 425 00:32:31,140 --> 00:32:36,440 Well, in my opinion, being in a novice compared to some of the experience, we would be 426 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:41,720 a miss if we didn't entertain discussions on how to make a process better, and then we can 427 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,880 degree or disagree based on how smart we are at the end. 428 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,960 So anybody would like to jump in, raise your hand, and if you want to press on or something 429 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,520 to give this young man some depth direction, let's staff, rather? 430 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,940 Mr. Chairman, whoever the best answer to the question I said between five, I guess five 431 00:32:59,940 --> 00:33:05,220 and fifteen members, that would be decided as we go along the line and who the members would 432 00:33:05,220 --> 00:33:08,840 be and they'd be a portion of based on population, I guess. 433 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:14,580 So Hernando would, Hernando, books will combine what have more members than citrus. 434 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,300 I mean, that's what I'm understanding is that the way I look at it. 435 00:33:18,340 --> 00:33:19,800 I was looking at 18 for us. 436 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,480 But wouldn't we have more members than citrus? 437 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:31,360 I would answer that, but that is a consultative process between citrus and Hernando. 438 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:37,740 That's something the staff would come together, have those discussions and then bring it back before their boards. 439 00:33:37,740 --> 00:33:42,580 to say today, you know, one county is going to have this many votes in the other county. 440 00:33:43,220 --> 00:33:48,740 It's a little premature without having that consultation process and working through that. 441 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:49,300 All right. 442 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,760 If I may echo that, that's exactly correct. 443 00:33:51,860 --> 00:33:53,800 I mean, that is part of the apportionment process. 444 00:33:54,540 --> 00:34:00,820 And because Ms. Royal points out it's a consultation between the DFT, the state and the urban areas 445 00:34:00,820 --> 00:34:04,740 and we would work through that and bring those kind of options back to you for discussion. 446 00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:08,140 I think really all we're looking for direction to proceed. 447 00:34:08,660 --> 00:34:08,680 Correct. 448 00:34:09,260 --> 00:34:10,460 I think we're talking about. 449 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,770 And then we have to find a place to meet for 15 people if we can. 450 00:34:15,820 --> 00:34:21,620 Oh, you're getting ahead of yourself, we've had these conversations and we really need 451 00:34:21,620 --> 00:34:27,300 to take this one step at a time, little incremental bite so we know where we're going, what 452 00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:31,820 it means and how it's going to work and it involves discussion with another partner. 453 00:34:31,820 --> 00:34:39,780 now it involves another county we they're going to be our partner if that's the direction we move in and and so there's a lot to be talked about and work for 454 00:34:39,780 --> 00:34:45,900 all from all I've heard it's more advantages of disadvantages so well with we will know better as we get along this 455 00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:53,000 what you need from us or on as far as direction just consensus of motion what do you want to do well we we would like a motion that you would 456 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,760 you know, authorize us to start the re-apportionment process with 457 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,480 citrus county and then we're bringing something back to you and a workshop format. 458 00:35:03,220 --> 00:35:07,920 And I believe what Miss Royale was also asking for and they can interrupt me 459 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,960 of five make a mistake please please do. 460 00:35:10,660 --> 00:35:15,580 But what they're also asking for is that we draft a letter for your signature 461 00:35:15,580 --> 00:35:18,580 Mr. Chairman due to Governor's office letting the governor know 462 00:35:18,580 --> 00:35:21,080 that that is the direction that we're going to be moving. 463 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,060 We intend to move at this point. We're going to try to work through the 464 00:35:25,060 --> 00:35:28,280 apportionment process and see if that works out. 465 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,940 So you heard the required motion. We have a motion about Commissioner Russell. 466 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,260 So you're about Commissioner Rodden, all in favor. 467 00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:40,640 Does that include the authorization for the chair to sign this letter? 468 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,260 What do you said? 469 00:35:45,140 --> 00:35:46,920 So all in favor again? 470 00:35:47,180 --> 00:35:48,140 Are you opposed? 471 00:35:49,220 --> 00:35:49,640 Thank you. 472 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,460 Thank you. Thank you. 473 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,000 It should be interesting. 474 00:35:54,660 --> 00:35:56,400 I don't know. 475 00:35:57,060 --> 00:35:58,540 Say that with a smile on your face. 476 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,320 Next item is age-condition management process. 477 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,940 Mr. William Rold from our consultant to all of our associates. 478 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:15,700 We'll give a brief presentation on how our congestion is going. 479 00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:17,080 I just use knife. 480 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:18,660 I'm sorry excuse me. 481 00:36:18,780 --> 00:36:19,960 I just use knife wheel. 482 00:36:21,180 --> 00:36:24,920 You know, many of us have probably benefit from that right now. 483 00:36:25,460 --> 00:36:25,860 Good afternoon. 484 00:36:25,940 --> 00:36:26,900 My name is William Rawl. 485 00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:28,680 I'm the Director of Baltimore Transportation Planning, 486 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,280 for attend all of our necessities in Tampa. 487 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,140 I'd like to review with you the 2012 update to your 488 00:36:36,140 --> 00:36:37,680 congestion management process. 489 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,060 And first, I'd like to start off a little bit of background 490 00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:44,400 in terms of what is the congestion management process. 491 00:36:44,780 --> 00:36:49,740 It's a management system and process that is an 492 00:36:49,740 --> 00:36:57,280 it's focused on transportation operations and safety. Oftentimes we look at a wide range of strategies, 493 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,640 including strategies that can reduce travel demand, but also particularly in the case of 494 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:09,020 your accounting looking for things that affect operational improvements. Typically CMT type projects 495 00:37:09,580 --> 00:37:17,320 are low cost, relatively low cost improvements compared to widening or major capital expansion 496 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,120 of roadways, and as some of you will recall from your last long range transportation 497 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:27,240 plan update, the board actually provided guidance to the staff to focus on 498 00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:30,720 taking the limited resources we have spent on the intersection and improvements, 499 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,920 and maybe pull back on some of the capacity expansions based on where we were from 500 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,660 the financial standpoint. 501 00:37:36,660 --> 00:37:43,910 So I'd like to go and talk a little bit in terms of the interaction and the impact of that is the impact of the great fall. 502 00:37:45,050 --> 00:37:49,130 Only about 2% of the big motivated rowing over here in the county. 503 00:37:49,610 --> 00:37:50,830 And I'd like to go through this key. 504 00:37:51,110 --> 00:37:51,870 That was the same at 505 00:37:54,750 --> 00:37:55,670 2%. 506 00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:56,350 Very slow. 507 00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:59,870 One of the other things we track is crashes. 508 00:38:00,050 --> 00:38:03,850 And one of the things that we do see is that's a little bit troubling to us. 509 00:38:03,850 --> 00:38:12,410 When we take a look at the trim, a fairly significant increase in total crashes, reported 510 00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:17,410 in year 2011, when we go back and look at some of the details of all of those crashes 511 00:38:17,410 --> 00:38:22,790 are involving either vulnerable users, bicycle pedestrians, a motorcyclist, or where the 512 00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:28,750 report was indicated the aggressive driving, speeding, reckless driving was a potential cause. 513 00:38:29,090 --> 00:38:33,490 If you think about those aggressive driving behaviors, that's a behavior, it's not necessarily 514 00:38:33,490 --> 00:38:40,070 infrastructure or engineering related. But it is something that we need to be keeping an eye on. 515 00:38:40,250 --> 00:38:43,170 We're going to take a look at, if I can interrupt you, that's a little bit. 516 00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:47,910 We repeat that again. The majority of the accidents, the majority of the accidents were 517 00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:54,910 bicycles, pedestrians, and the majority of the we break up crashes in the four different categories. 518 00:38:55,870 --> 00:39:00,430 Okay, by safety and necessary, which is something comes down from the state in terms of guidance 519 00:39:00,430 --> 00:39:06,750 of looking at crashes, lane departure crashes, at intersection crashes, crashes involving 520 00:39:06,750 --> 00:39:11,930 aggressive driving, and crashes involving vulnerable users. When we compare those four 521 00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:16,810 subgroups of crashes, for each one of these individual years, the areas where we're seeing 522 00:39:16,810 --> 00:39:23,250 the increase, the increase in the crashes, are the aggressive driving and the vulnerable user 523 00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:24,890 crashes. That's where the increases. 524 00:39:25,450 --> 00:39:31,590 You know, they're quite, usually a vulnerable user crashes, that may have something to do with 525 00:39:31,590 --> 00:39:37,070 number of people we have on our road to or even as old as I am or older. 526 00:39:37,870 --> 00:39:41,750 Maybe that may be a physical condition too, but not being able to see as well. 527 00:39:42,210 --> 00:39:46,710 I want to tell you how many close calls I've had coming up here in the past year or so 528 00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:47,090 of the winter. 529 00:39:47,230 --> 00:39:49,990 There may be more truth than that statement that we've cared for than that. 530 00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:57,650 And it's probably going to increase with all of that construction on 50, trying to get into Starbucks' terrible. 531 00:39:59,650 --> 00:40:06,930 If I may add to that, I agree with what Wayne said about the population getting to it. 532 00:40:08,190 --> 00:40:13,050 I almost had somebody the other night on my local street, it's very poorly lighted. 533 00:40:13,210 --> 00:40:17,310 They had on black, black shirt, black pants. 534 00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:25,610 writing a bicycle with no lights, I couldn't see them, I mean I couldn't see them, not until 535 00:40:25,610 --> 00:40:32,210 after I got out into the street, scared me to death, would have been my fault, I don't 536 00:40:32,210 --> 00:40:37,530 know what, I mean I couldn't see them, so I don't know if we can educate the public, I mean 537 00:40:37,530 --> 00:40:43,530 that's against a lot or I'd a bicycle without lights on it but, and to be right around 538 00:40:43,530 --> 00:40:49,150 Right around the bottom of the bicycle with black clothes on and no lights, it's irresponsible. 539 00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:55,610 So I mean, yeah, we have some order of population, but I think in some cases, it's the problem is the individual. 540 00:40:56,450 --> 00:40:59,530 There's an old legal saying, you can't legislate stupidity. 541 00:41:00,170 --> 00:41:04,070 Honestly, I mean, this certain number of those is just nothing you can do about it. 542 00:41:04,070 --> 00:41:05,170 Are you going to do what are you going to do? 543 00:41:05,850 --> 00:41:09,770 You bring up a good point in terms of the bicyclists, writing a night without lights. 544 00:41:09,770 --> 00:41:14,910 I did the bicycle safety action plan for Hillsborough County on similar plans and other jurisdictions. 545 00:41:15,870 --> 00:41:23,990 About 60% of the 66% of the fatalities are evolving cyclists riding their bicycles at night without light fatalities. 546 00:41:25,450 --> 00:41:30,690 Those are the crashes, we did eliminate any crashes but the fatalities, we feel like we had a good day. 547 00:41:31,130 --> 00:41:39,270 One of the recommendations came out of that was that the community was actually going to fund light kits for the law enforcement and the law enforcement sees that they can correct. 548 00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:42,010 do some of the correct reaction, just stop in the cycle, 549 00:41:42,190 --> 00:41:43,170 and say, hey, don't do that again. 550 00:41:43,570 --> 00:41:44,650 It's not necessarily very effective. 551 00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:47,630 So that could be something that could be looked at in the future. 552 00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:52,850 We do look at those subset of crashes in terms of bicycles, 553 00:41:53,070 --> 00:41:56,010 some pedestrians, compared to other jurisdictions in the district. 554 00:41:56,490 --> 00:41:58,910 Your numbers aren't as high as others. 555 00:41:59,630 --> 00:42:02,070 And those other jurisdictions have made some conservative efforts. 556 00:42:02,330 --> 00:42:04,510 And that could be again something that could be considered in the future. 557 00:42:06,090 --> 00:42:11,590 I think it's interesting though, if you look at this new paving jobs we've had, I.E. County 558 00:42:11,590 --> 00:42:16,310 Line Road, they put a nice bicycle path on the side, but when you get to the intersection 559 00:42:16,310 --> 00:42:21,810 of 19, that bicycle path runs between the right lane and the turn lane, you're driving 560 00:42:21,810 --> 00:42:26,550 with cars on both sides of you, as you try to ride forward on your bicycle, I would call 561 00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:27,650 that no man's land. 562 00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:36,770 You're describing something that, as in the engineering side, had a very difficult time coming 563 00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:39,670 up with the best location, I should know, put that. 564 00:42:40,450 --> 00:42:44,390 The conclusion, the consensus that's been reached and it's actually our design standard 565 00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:50,550 is to do that placement and to very clearly communicate that yield point where the motors 566 00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:57,610 are supposed to yield to bicyclists, that being said, we do see some crashes involving 567 00:42:57,610 --> 00:43:04,390 that location but remarkably few. The design is actually better the what we're mitigating 568 00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:08,850 for is the vehicle that's making the right turn as the cycle is going through and historically 569 00:43:08,850 --> 00:43:16,810 that's been a very severe crash. I share your concern but it's the best treatment we've been able 570 00:43:16,810 --> 00:43:27,590 to come up with. We undertook a number of the valuation activities as part of the 571 00:43:27,590 --> 00:43:31,010 safety that actually go on and take a look at potential improvements. 572 00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:38,030 And we focused on a series of items, State Route 50, a mayor and a boulevard, some safety 573 00:43:38,030 --> 00:43:41,990 issues revolving, run off the road crashes and advanced signal warning is directed by the 574 00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:42,410 board. 575 00:43:42,850 --> 00:43:47,850 I'm taking a look at Explorer K through 12 school and it's impact on the work boulevard. 576 00:43:48,130 --> 00:43:51,670 And then lastly, there's discussion relative to State Route 50 and there's state 75. 577 00:43:51,950 --> 00:43:54,230 You've already heard a boulevard about that already this morning. 578 00:43:55,430 --> 00:44:03,210 And so, the start off with at St. R. 50 and Merner Boulevard, we actually did some operational 579 00:44:03,210 --> 00:44:07,090 analysis of that intersection, taking a look at the north leg of the intersection, 580 00:44:07,770 --> 00:44:13,770 some ways that the laneage could potentially be reconfigured, taking a look at alternatives 581 00:44:13,770 --> 00:44:18,910 that may include the requirements of purchase and a part right away to construct improvements 582 00:44:18,910 --> 00:44:25,490 generally the consensus that was reached by the staff and in the engineering staff was we 583 00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:29,870 need to not be short-sighted in this area. There's a lot of potential changes going on in terms 584 00:44:29,870 --> 00:44:36,830 of changes in a reconstruction of some of the commercial properties in the area and that this 585 00:44:36,830 --> 00:44:41,530 needs to have a broader, broader scope to not just look at the intersection, but look at all 586 00:44:41,530 --> 00:44:48,410 the way down to land over and look at the adjacent intersections to the east and the west 587 00:44:48,410 --> 00:44:53,990 So the recommendation that came out from the review is to do a more complete study of the 588 00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:59,310 access management of the interconnectivity of the front-age roads in that area and then 589 00:44:59,310 --> 00:44:59,970 how... 590 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,080 Access can be provided to the businesses. We think that this is one of your major commercial activity nodes. 591 00:45:08,140 --> 00:45:12,640 And this needs to be more than just taking a look at intersection. He's about taking more comprehensive approach. 592 00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:15,020 So that was a recommendation of that location. 593 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:25,960 If we're going to be looking at that, I think it might be beneficial to look at the potential of adding, 594 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:34,280 We were talking about the bicyclists, greater access for bicyclists along that interchange. 595 00:45:34,940 --> 00:45:44,880 The thing is, if we look at where our fatality lies, we're having more and more bicyclists involved in accidents, 596 00:45:45,460 --> 00:45:51,740 not just at a local level, but statewide and what can we do to begin to decrease those numbers? 597 00:45:51,740 --> 00:45:56,580 as well. Adding the four-foot shoulders, if you just look at spring-like highway, for instance. 598 00:45:58,180 --> 00:46:02,240 It's not a bike lane, but it sure acts like a bike lane, having those four-foot shoulders, 599 00:46:03,420 --> 00:46:07,420 and it's really reduced road rage tremendously along that way. 600 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,600 If you look at it in this intersection and apply that principle throughout, 601 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:17,420 for more road planning standards throughout the county, but at this intersection, 602 00:46:17,420 --> 00:46:22,440 The economy is going to force us to be using bicycles more. 603 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,340 That's just a bottom line. 604 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,780 It's not getting any better anytime soon. 605 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,960 More and more people are going to be riding bikes to and from work at those businesses. 606 00:46:32,180 --> 00:46:36,420 If we can begin to plan a way for them to cross more safely, 607 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,040 I think that's just prudent in our part. 608 00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:43,260 You're going to see a long-term benefit for road safety. 609 00:46:43,260 --> 00:46:49,960 Not just from bicyclists but from a driver's perspective as well and I don't know if you can add that into the study 610 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:57,720 If you're going to be looking at something else, but I think that would benefit us all, and then take the lessons that we learned from that intersection and apply it to 611 00:46:57,720 --> 00:46:59,440 Other intersections that we're going to be looking at 612 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:06,220 I think I think that would be an appropriate recommendation. I have a question 613 00:47:07,780 --> 00:47:13,180 When we're talking about Highway 50 and Mariner, and if you go a little bit west, you've got 614 00:47:13,180 --> 00:47:22,320 high point boulevard there, and there's that funding road, still, there's no way for it to 615 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:29,260 get from high point to the shopping areas, is that something that's, you don't mind on the north side 616 00:47:29,260 --> 00:47:35,400 or side of the north side, yes ma'am, that is one of the things that would be considered as part 617 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:41,740 the study. If you think about it, there's potentially the signal at Mariner. There's a signal 618 00:47:41,740 --> 00:47:46,820 farther off to the west, and there's also the signal on it, believe it's a cult coastal 619 00:47:47,380 --> 00:47:52,960 there in front of the Walmart. If we were able to effectively input the north-and-south sides 620 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:58,160 of the roadway, be able to connect those together, it would provide some opportunity to use the 621 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:04,160 traffic. I think you do have some users of the roadway in that area that they didn't have to travel 622 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:09,000 through Mariner and Fethy, that they might choose to go and know the route, that rallying 623 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,520 would have to be clear, and they'd have to perceive it as being safer, and that would 624 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:17,400 be part of the intent of the study as to be able to provide that level of level of circulation. 625 00:48:17,860 --> 00:48:21,640 Mr. Chairman, I think that something I've borne's already discussed that we would like 626 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:27,040 to see those furniture was connected, and that the fees could be recouped at a later period 627 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:32,120 of time, but that's something I feel very strong and that we need to proceed with. 628 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:40,200 Well, I know we've been talking about high point along there for as long as I can ever remember. 629 00:48:41,740 --> 00:48:46,660 And you know, a lot of people have come and gone that we're hoping that it was going to come sooner. 630 00:48:47,540 --> 00:49:00,580 But I mean, it would help tremendously amount of people that would come out of high point that maybe just need to go up to the grocery store and back home without getting out on 631 00:49:00,580 --> 00:49:07,760 50 up on Mariner and you know, again, it's been years, so probably going to be years more 632 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:08,360 right. 633 00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:15,020 Any other questions at 50 in Mariner? 634 00:49:17,220 --> 00:49:23,520 The next series of locations run, Hexam Road, Maldon Hill Road, like Lindsay, as part 635 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:29,180 of the screening process, there's an indication that there was a bit of an abnormal pattern 636 00:49:29,180 --> 00:49:35,760 to run off the road crashes, each of these locations had one or more fatalities occurring 637 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:36,940 at the same location. 638 00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:44,460 Upon further review, it was concluded that there are already studies in the pipeline that 639 00:49:44,460 --> 00:49:50,560 the county engineering staff was undertaking to come up with resolutions of these issues. 640 00:49:50,580 --> 00:49:52,700 Some of these issues have been known for a little while. 641 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,140 There are a lot of things like dealing with right away or dealing with clear zone in order 642 00:49:57,140 --> 00:50:03,840 be able to make an improvement, but what we can report is that mitigation, the issues that 643 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:10,020 may be causing some of these run off the road crashes are in the pipeline to resolve 644 00:50:10,020 --> 00:50:10,580 the issue. 645 00:50:10,820 --> 00:50:17,960 We're talking about run off the road crashes because they are disproportionately a common source 646 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:24,660 of the tally crashes, so that's the importance of these studies are in place for those. 647 00:50:24,660 --> 00:50:32,560 The next board asks does the take a look at potentially advanced signal warning at a number 648 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,520 of locations and what I'm going to do is step through. 649 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:43,380 The concept here is the similar to what you have on state-refifty east of Brooksville, the 650 00:50:43,380 --> 00:50:46,500 overhead advanced flashing signals going in place. 651 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:53,440 Typically, that treatment is reserved for locations where a signal would be unexpected, where 652 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:58,580 on the highway, you're going for several miles and then you come across a signal or there is 653 00:50:58,580 --> 00:51:03,020 a site distance from, there's a visibility problem in terms of detecting the signal. 654 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:09,660 We have one of those at St. Rift 15, spring, like highway. This is one of the site 655 00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:17,580 distance from? Yes. Yes. And it also has a history of significant crashes that could be 656 00:51:17,580 --> 00:51:22,320 mitigated by that particular treatment. We reviewed the locations that were identified 657 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,300 of the board meeting and I'll step the step through them. 658 00:51:25,580 --> 00:51:28,660 U.S. 41 at Powell Road, U.S. 41 at WestCon, 659 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,640 U.S. 41 at State Road 50, and U.S. 41 at MLK, 660 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:33,580 where the four locations. 661 00:51:34,620 --> 00:51:37,200 And what we saw is that there is a range of 662 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,160 correctable crashes over three-year time period 663 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:46,780 that range from one crash, seven crashes, nine crashes, 664 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,440 and then that's a road 50, and U.S. 41, 665 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,360 there's 28 crashes over your time period. 666 00:51:54,620 --> 00:52:02,120 Those are not high numbers, particularly as if we were late to 40 and 50, that actually 667 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,520 would be on the lower side in terms of the number of correctable crashes that you would 668 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:07,920 anticipate of that location. 669 00:52:08,460 --> 00:52:12,100 The recommendation and call this whole thing with the engineering staff and after reviewing 670 00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:19,920 the crash reports would be to place consistent with the department's policy as standards 671 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:26,520 advanced warning signage that would identify at the next intersection, what that next 672 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:31,300 intersection is, and I'm sure you've seen these signs on portions of 19 and such, and 673 00:52:31,300 --> 00:52:37,740 that would provide additional guidance to the public that there is a signal ahead, what 674 00:52:37,740 --> 00:52:44,040 that signal is particularly with our aging population. This is very helpful in helping them 675 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,800 make decisions in terms of their approaching. And so the recommendation, the consensus 676 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:53,810 that was reached would be the foot of this advanced warning signage in place. 677 00:52:56,260 --> 00:53:04,320 In our systems, you mentioned already have the signage required by state law and we're happy with that. 678 00:53:06,260 --> 00:53:13,740 Having said that, Benchers are great here. A lot of people go down to with the Gucci electric's 679 00:53:13,740 --> 00:53:16,740 place on 50 down towards 19 to pay their bills. 680 00:53:17,980 --> 00:53:22,880 And then it was also a neighborhood behind there, and there is a lot of impacts. 681 00:53:23,060 --> 00:53:27,520 People trying to come out of there and go straight across the four lane and turn left. 682 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,800 Whereas if you turn right, there's a red light that you could do, you turn at within 683 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,380 less than 100 yards. 684 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:41,560 Do you ever look at, and if you go back into that neighborhood and go right, you can come 685 00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:46,740 way through to the red lights up on Sunshine Grove Road. 686 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,820 There's ways we could reroute that without actually putting anything except maybe a sign 687 00:53:52,820 --> 00:53:57,480 to right turn only sign coming out of there and you know, or something like that, that it would 688 00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,960 not be a huge impact as far as funding if we could get the proofels. 689 00:54:02,180 --> 00:54:04,080 That could be a good candidate project for you. 690 00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:04,980 Simply update. 691 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:05,600 Next cycle. 692 00:54:06,740 --> 00:54:07,360 Thank you. 693 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:07,520 Okay. 694 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:16,800 The next area where we took a look at was the Explore K through 8. Some of the traffic 695 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:22,840 circulation and operations at that location. There's a number of issues that are occurring 696 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:31,000 at this school. I probably summarized it up best by saying that when the school district 697 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:37,580 changed their busing policy, it changed the way students got to school. I'm sure you all 698 00:54:37,580 --> 00:54:46,160 This is fairly large school, probably, I know I didn't go to, I never went to school that was as big as this school was, it is currently. 699 00:54:47,180 --> 00:54:57,200 And so what's occurring is the traffic during, particularly during the afternoon, is backing up on to Northlet Boulevard and causing some traffic operations issues. 700 00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:02,780 We took a look at, we went out, we didn't do it, the Exhausted Technical Study, but we do have 701 00:55:02,780 --> 00:55:08,120 experience and deal with school circulation, went and met with school district representatives, 702 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:13,280 observed how it was operating, and we made some recommendations for them. This is largely 703 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:19,220 something that's in their control, and some of the recommendations would be difficult to implement 704 00:55:19,220 --> 00:55:24,660 mid-year, there were kind of things that would need to be implemented, concurrent with a new school 705 00:55:24,660 --> 00:55:30,380 year and that way you're not confusing the parents, but we do believe that there's an opportunity 706 00:55:30,380 --> 00:55:36,120 at this location for them to address how they're doing some of their access. 707 00:55:36,540 --> 00:55:42,440 There are also some issues on the east side of the school in terms of how secondary 708 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:47,000 access has been created and some of the impact on the neighborhood and dealing with parking 709 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:52,040 and we understand that counting staff is going to be looking into that issue as well. 710 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:56,780 So there's a number of recommendations and they've been provided to the principal, what is it? 711 00:55:57,860 --> 00:56:04,940 Suggested recommendation and you may not have thought about this, but what have they considered? 712 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:11,800 Okay, you take that school where there's a lot of problems because of the kids that are not getting transportation. 713 00:56:12,620 --> 00:56:18,760 And if they said, okay in this school, maybe we can start providing the transportation again. 714 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:25,660 And again, it would be cheaper in the long run than re-aligning a bunch of roads and whatever 715 00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:31,260 to kick in a few buses to get these kids transported. 716 00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:37,320 You know, actually discussing it with the school board personnel and the county traffic 717 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:37,760 engineering. 718 00:56:38,060 --> 00:56:39,660 This isn't unique to the school. 719 00:56:40,380 --> 00:56:44,560 There's many of the schools that are having similar operational problems. 720 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:49,900 There are some strategies in terms of how the parent pick-up and drop-off operation is being 721 00:56:49,900 --> 00:56:57,140 conducted that makes it potentially safer and quicker to process the vehicles. 722 00:56:58,380 --> 00:57:02,760 And so those are a long line of the recommendations we weren't looking at doing much 723 00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,000 of the way of significant realignment or adjustment. 724 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:12,440 We were making recommendations that was changes in signage, so the signage is standard signage. 725 00:57:13,740 --> 00:57:21,320 But, at this time, we weren't making recommendations in terms of any kind of significant capital expenditure, it was mostly operational. 726 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:32,600 But then the last location is doing additional study at state where 50 interstate 75 between catering and lock cart. 727 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:41,660 This is somewhat concurrent with a discussion that are consistent with the discussion earlier during the meeting about the department's project, 728 00:57:41,660 --> 00:57:45,900 which has the potential of changing access to the properties in this area. 729 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,680 We were talking about opportunities in terms of input infrastructure. 730 00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:51,840 But there's a lot of opportunities out there. 731 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:58,780 And the sooner a comprehensive master plan for circulation is developed, 732 00:57:59,380 --> 00:58:00,980 I think the better position you're going to be in. 733 00:58:01,180 --> 00:58:02,920 That study is currently underway. 734 00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,360 I do not have any, I'm not the project manager on that project. 735 00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:12,240 So I can't, I can tell you that the initial data collections mean undertaken and some consultation 736 00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:18,240 of the land owners and as Dennis mentioned, there will be somebody coming to you at a future 737 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,060 board meeting to present some recommendations. 738 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:28,760 And so what we like, the board to do today, is to adopt the recommendations that is identified 739 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,900 in a 2012 congestion management system process. 740 00:58:31,900 --> 00:58:47,600 And then there will be the MPO staff will work with us to finalize the report, and then also at a future date or the rise of staff to conduct that state where 50 at Mariner Boulevard Circulation Study. 741 00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:59,240 And then finally there will be a review of the location for the advanced signal signage that will be those four locations we've done finalizing that we need to be done on the part of her nanocallion of Florida Department of Transportation. 742 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:04,740 So those would be the four key half-shimes, but for you today, I'm going to be the adoption of the recommendations I presented. 743 00:59:05,740 --> 00:59:08,140 With that, I'm going to be able for any additional questions in my hand. 744 00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:10,320 No questions. I'm looking for a motion to adopt. 745 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,920 We have a motion back. 746 00:59:13,420 --> 00:59:20,000 I wish to round in a second by Commissioner Nicholson to adopt the recommendations of the Imperial Board on the favor. 747 00:59:21,860 --> 00:59:22,620 Thank you. 748 00:59:22,620 --> 00:59:23,440 Thank you. Have a good afternoon. 749 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:24,280 Thank you, sir. 750 00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:37,540 And, like many of the MPO processes that are cyclical, the condition management process will bring forward again next year for update, hopefully with some new exciting improvements. 751 00:59:39,340 --> 00:59:41,020 Exciting, that's a pretty strong word, Dennis. 752 00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:42,300 Oh, for Plenary, yeah. 753 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:44,260 It's all right. 754 00:59:44,500 --> 00:59:47,280 The planer is exciting, I'm not sure about the rest of the world. 755 00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:54,520 The item I we have to consult at work scope items for the board's consideration. 756 00:59:55,620 --> 00:59:59,440 The first is for the assistance of our consultant. 757 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,980 To MPHF staff, to attend some of the regional meetings that are going on. We're getting kind of pulled in a lot of directions. It will help with the assistance of the regional modeling process that goes on at DOT, as well as assistance with a preparation for local meetings staff is in this will be at the direction of staff as needed. This item would sunset in at the end of the UPWP period of June 30, 2014. 758 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,920 total amount of the scope is in $20,000. 759 01:00:37,570 --> 01:00:40,190 It's all PL, the money that's allocated to the 760 01:00:40,190 --> 01:00:43,530 MPO, there's no local dollars involved. Good question. 761 01:00:49,330 --> 01:00:55,510 It's not just for tenants, it's for their recommendations, it's for preparation of items 762 01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:59,430 for the meetings that would be of a technical nature that staff doesn't have the capability 763 01:00:59,430 --> 01:01:05,510 of quite frankly, there's a lot of stuff going on that it's more than Stephen I can attend 764 01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:08,650 and be participating in that now, right? 765 01:01:08,990 --> 01:01:14,910 We have a workshop that just concluded and this basically extends that. That's correct. 766 01:01:16,210 --> 01:01:24,890 Commissioner, if you recall, we did have an additional staff position and when that staff position, 767 01:01:24,890 --> 01:01:29,830 And when that person left, we made a conscious decision not to fill that position. 768 01:01:30,430 --> 01:01:36,450 And part of that decision was to solve out some additional work, especially coordination 769 01:01:36,450 --> 01:01:39,370 of some of these regional meetings with our consultant. 770 01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:41,750 That was the choice that we made. 771 01:01:41,870 --> 01:01:45,310 We had that conversation with the MPO that a year ago. 772 01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:45,790 Right. 773 01:01:45,790 --> 01:01:49,770 Is there a code that we have a contract with our former MPO employee? 774 01:01:50,110 --> 01:01:50,670 We do not. 775 01:01:50,670 --> 01:01:58,990 Now, that employee works for Debarda, and we did disclose that to you, I think that's what you're recalling. 776 01:01:59,190 --> 01:02:04,110 And I know that we had to resolve some conflict in the agreement and that sort of thing is our recall. 777 01:02:05,730 --> 01:02:09,410 I'm just, there's no employment agreement that we have with that employee. 778 01:02:09,930 --> 01:02:12,650 It just sounds a little pricey. 779 01:02:12,910 --> 01:02:18,890 Quite frankly, if we're absorbing that work now, and then now we're going to spend $20,000 simply because it's in the budget. 780 01:02:18,890 --> 01:02:21,390 It just sounds a little pricing, and that's my choice. 781 01:02:21,770 --> 01:02:29,890 We're not absorbing the work now, and we will only pay for the work that we authorize them to do whatever we issue a task order for. 782 01:02:30,170 --> 01:02:32,410 That's the, that's the up and limit correct. 783 01:02:32,650 --> 01:02:32,930 Correct. 784 01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:35,670 It's only an as needed basis example. 785 01:02:35,890 --> 01:02:39,390 Thursday I need to be in Orlando, and I need to be in Tampa at the same time. 786 01:02:39,870 --> 01:02:40,690 I cannot do both. 787 01:02:41,070 --> 01:02:42,530 I certainly understand your dilemma. 788 01:02:42,770 --> 01:02:48,690 My question is if we're already essentially absorbing the workload now. 789 01:02:48,690 --> 01:02:51,390 why would really need to spend $20,000. 790 01:02:52,270 --> 01:02:53,170 So, we're not. 791 01:02:53,210 --> 01:02:53,610 We're not. 792 01:02:53,650 --> 01:02:54,910 That's not joining in. 793 01:02:55,110 --> 01:02:55,770 As needed. 794 01:02:56,490 --> 01:03:00,630 And Dennis being the frugal person that he is, I know he won't waste the money. 795 01:03:01,270 --> 01:03:03,130 So, well, this has got to last for you here and a half. 796 01:03:03,550 --> 01:03:05,310 It's going to spread out over a long time, yeah. 797 01:03:06,110 --> 01:03:06,630 I'm Mr. Chairman. 798 01:03:07,370 --> 01:03:11,050 I mean, my understanding from Ron is that we, we've essentially eliminated a position. 799 01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:12,330 We didn't replace the person. 800 01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:15,690 So that's a huge savings on a yearly basis in 20,000. 801 01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:17,790 It's certainly much less than what they'd been making. 802 01:03:17,790 --> 01:03:25,470 So I'm going to say I'm making motion we go ahead and I prove it is request you want to make a second 803 01:03:25,470 --> 01:03:29,610 or you want to say something. No, I'll second it. Okay. So we have a motion back commissioner Nick 804 01:03:29,610 --> 01:03:34,990 wasson and a second back commissioner route into approve the consultant works for all in favor. 805 01:03:35,030 --> 01:03:40,770 Hi. Any opposed? Yes. So be it. The second item 806 01:03:40,770 --> 01:03:46,650 consultant works go for traffic counter date for 2013 again this is an annual thing that we do. 807 01:03:46,650 --> 01:03:53,570 We sample approximately 50 locations, which is about half the network each year, as much as we were able. 808 01:03:54,530 --> 01:04:01,450 This scope is the amount is exactly the same as last year for the same number of stations, as I said. 809 01:04:02,310 --> 01:04:02,990 How much is the amount? 810 01:04:03,810 --> 01:04:04,490 20,000. 811 01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:04,830 I'm sorry. 812 01:04:05,050 --> 01:04:06,670 $22,630. 813 01:04:07,010 --> 01:04:07,190 $60. 814 01:04:08,130 --> 01:04:09,110 I'll give that in the record. 815 01:04:09,110 --> 01:04:32,970 And by side comment, years ago, when engineering staff used to perform this for us when they had the staff, they no longer have the staff, and so for the last several years we have our consultant, but we have to have this data for the modeling process for the crash analysis, the congestion management, it's the basis of what we do basically. 816 01:04:32,970 --> 01:04:45,410 And also for those that you don't know, it also benefits the local, the engineers and architects working with the county and private projects because they also utilize the same data, which you bring a lot of calls for that data. 817 01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:49,430 So it's a benefit not only to ourselves but to the entire. 818 01:04:50,190 --> 01:04:53,630 And we mean we can also assume that it's as needed basis. 819 01:04:53,630 --> 01:04:57,010 Well, no, this is a specific time-certain task. 820 01:04:57,130 --> 01:04:59,730 We're going to have the data, then complete with the task by June. 821 01:05:00,070 --> 01:05:05,610 Basically, we need them going out, laying down the tubes, and relaying them down when they get torn up. 822 01:05:06,110 --> 01:05:12,190 We need the data in the peak season of the year, so that when the roads are the most congested, what's really going on. 823 01:05:12,510 --> 01:05:15,530 Now, can you send these 50 stations or one percentage of the toll? 824 01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:17,030 A little less than half. 825 01:05:17,230 --> 01:05:17,710 Well, that's a matter. 826 01:05:17,850 --> 01:05:20,130 So every two years, we have an update. 827 01:05:20,730 --> 01:05:23,110 Well, we're, yes, a total update. 828 01:05:23,110 --> 01:05:27,310 That's correct. I'd move approval to do this again. 829 01:05:27,310 --> 01:05:28,410 Thank you. 830 01:05:28,410 --> 01:05:31,250 I have a motion by Commissioner Nicholson to say goodbye. 831 01:05:31,330 --> 01:05:32,730 Commissioner Roud and all the favor. 832 01:05:32,970 --> 01:05:33,430 Uh-huh. 833 01:05:33,450 --> 01:05:35,950 You post, so be it. Thank you. 834 01:05:38,750 --> 01:05:39,230 Last item? 835 01:05:40,030 --> 01:05:40,930 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 836 01:05:41,250 --> 01:05:47,070 There's currently a vacancy on the MPO's bicycle pedestrian advisory committee for a public at large. 837 01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:53,210 Remember, this Michael Renter has submitted an application to fulfill that position. 838 01:05:54,810 --> 01:06:07,590 If you have a motion by their bad burn and a second-by-commissioner route and for the appointment of Michael Werner 839 01:06:07,590 --> 01:06:11,850 the bicycle pedestrian advisory committee, all in favor. 840 01:06:13,050 --> 01:06:17,990 If these folks ever come give us an idea of what they've advice? 841 01:06:18,990 --> 01:06:20,430 The bicycle pedestrian advisory committee? 842 01:06:21,930 --> 01:06:23,430 They make a presentation to the board. 843 01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:26,550 have a priority, let's say they submit to the MPO on an annual basis. 844 01:06:27,410 --> 01:06:30,130 Okay, I don't remember ever seeing them, so I may be else. 845 01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:32,350 That's their largest work product, if you will. 846 01:06:32,670 --> 01:06:35,550 You do see the work product, although not necessarily the phases. 847 01:06:36,310 --> 01:06:37,690 I like to see I die. 848 01:06:40,290 --> 01:06:42,250 Any citizens comments at this time? 849 01:06:43,150 --> 01:06:44,590 Thank you all for coming. 850 01:06:45,290 --> 01:06:49,470 You know, I've watched Anthony come up and help with the electronics. 851 01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:51,390 I really think we should get him a uniform. 852 01:06:52,530 --> 01:06:55,390 Maybe a cape. Maybe a cape. 853 01:06:55,810 --> 01:06:57,110 We're having a look. Come on down. 854 01:06:57,570 --> 01:06:58,530 Oh, welcome to giant. 855 01:06:59,390 --> 01:07:01,130 Mr. McMame Elmov. 856 01:07:02,350 --> 01:07:03,750 It will come here for the recording. 857 01:07:04,770 --> 01:07:06,010 They're supporting you. 858 01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:06,430 You just made. 859 01:07:06,530 --> 01:07:07,690 They said to make you runner. 860 01:07:07,890 --> 01:07:09,670 They used to be on the planning of Johnny Commissary. 861 01:07:10,090 --> 01:07:10,410 Yes, you go. 862 01:07:10,710 --> 01:07:11,850 That other day, your name was Michael. 863 01:07:12,190 --> 01:07:14,090 He said, it's making. It's a female. 864 01:07:14,250 --> 01:07:14,770 That's making. 865 01:07:15,210 --> 01:07:15,790 That's making. 866 01:07:16,010 --> 01:07:17,390 I got him, I KEL. 867 01:07:18,250 --> 01:07:24,290 And by the way, I must congratulate you. I think it's worth exploring the possibility 868 01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:34,130 of a joint MP, I think it's a good idea. And let's go ahead with it. 869 01:07:34,450 --> 01:07:40,310 I go into it with an open mind, thank you. Open mind. So there's no other comments. 870 01:07:40,870 --> 01:07:43,110 Do we have an agreement to adjourn? 871 01:07:43,110 --> 01:07:45,690 Yep, he was good. Thank you folks.