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Good to see you, everyone. Welcome to your Hernandez County Board of County Commissioners special budget meeting. Today is Thursday, July 30th, 2026. It's 9 a.m. Please stand for the evocation followed by the pleasurable agents.

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Dear Lord, we are symbol this morning to go over some very important topics in our community and our community's future over the next fiscal year. And we ask your guidance, wisdom, patience and understanding.

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as much as possible to work towards a consensus that makes sense for the people in this community.

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And we pray for all the families out in our community that may be struggling,

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and also to bless those who are doing the right thing and trying to live their best lives

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and see the fruits of their labors and their families.

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Please pray this name in your son's name.

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She's a seamen.

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I find this name just to divide the United States.

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Item B, approval of the agenda.

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Move approval.

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No changes.

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No changes.

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All right.

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Got a motion for approval from Commissioner Champion.

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Second.

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Second.

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Commissioner Amsler.

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All in favor.

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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Hearing none.

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Motion passes.

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4-0.

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So, we're on to item C, counting administrator, Jeff Rogers.

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Thank you, commissioners, and welcome to a special budget meeting, welcome to the commissioner's staff and citizens.

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Today, we're going to start with the thing you're going to improve for the special budget meeting publication.

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This public site, the Internet and the website, and the public notice is published on July 20th, 2026.

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This meeting today board I'll go review just sort of by the educational

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amendments, remember how this process works for the county today by the in this month,

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the county administrator and the budget director will provide a tentative budget for

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the fiscal year 26, 27 budget year to the Board of County commissioners.

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That's all we're here today is to present this budget for the Board of County commissioners.

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The Board of Views, this budget makes any unnecessary changes at all, to the budget itself.

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At which point, many changes with that would involve result in the calculation of the,

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the proposed millage rate that the county benefited myself as provided.

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That millage rate is provided to the property appraisal by August 4th,

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which then is calculating goes on the trim notices, which is a notification to all the property owners in the county.

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That notification includes your basically proposed millage rates for taxation next year and also the dates and times of the public hearings.

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The public hearings is when the county goes through the budget at a post time, usually at the 501 PM, for the citizens to review the budget and that's when the millage rates are established and voted on at that time.

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Today, we vote on the anything that changes to the proposed budget that myself and my staff are provided to the county administration.

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We're saying that board.

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This board is this budget that providing you today translates the board's policies and priorities into a responsible financial plan designed to balance the revenues and expenditures.

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maintain essential core services, respond to the continued growth in our county, and also the increasing mandates that's on the county from the state and federal organizations.

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It also stabilizes, I believe, and strings in the long term financial position.

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This budget is presented during a period of significant financial pressure.

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The county, I believe, must address the plea to reserves.

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Following two major hurricanes that impacted this county in 2024.

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Increasing demands on services throughout the cost to the cost to shows and

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on the county services from the growth in the county, rising, mandated, cost, insurance cost.

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We'll discuss the delayed reimbursements on the money we spend on the FEMA storms continuation of that.

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And also, I believe, I will discuss today the uncertainty of the future regarding the property tax

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or aspirin, and that's been placed on the ballot by the legislature.

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I believe while this time, Fernando County continues-

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We can use to make meaningful progress and infrastructure, great investments in economic development, technology, and strategic planning for prioritizing the services that are funded. The recommended budget therefore takes a very disciplined approach. It preserves core public services, those prioritized first responder services. It stabilizes what I believe, the financial stability of our county.

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It advances the most critical investments, but it also does make difficult reductions that

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where reoccurring operational revenues are not sufficient to support the current service

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levels at the county.

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As I mentioned, this is the start of the real budget process.

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I present this budget to you today.

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We will go through the impacts of the county where I believe the state of the county is.

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We'll go through the budget, take any recommendations to the board, and then within the next two months, you have this documents board to review the citizens of the documents to review and come back in the public hearing where we will vote in the final milled rates for the county.

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Included in the agenda item board for you and the citizens today is published as they had proposed a tentative budget book and also light on in detail of all the county operations, including the costumes and also budgets also, which are those are included in the county's budget.

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Lastly, I'll say, you know, decisions we make, but this board, while we lot of times you make decisions that are impactful for today and what's the best today, I think we have to make decisions sometimes that are best for the long term viability of our county decisions we made last year in the years before effect wherever you are today, right?

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And so this budget is not for today, right?

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This budget starts October 1st, 2026 and goes through September 30th of 2027.

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The decision we make on this budget here will be where we start in the next fiscal year's budget.

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So I would make sure that we remember that we're trying to set up where we're going to be in the future also.

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And with that, I'll turn it over to our budget's director, Aaron Dorne, and her staff to go through the presentation.

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before you start, Aaron. Let's make sure we have them. Can we turn the microphones on on the table, please?

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Thank you.

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And for those in the back, you're welcome to stand. We're working on getting an overflow room and a video stream over there.

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We don't have that quite ready yet. But there are some seats on the front that you're welcome to.

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And if anybody this side seems pretty full, but if anybody on this side can scoot in, make some room for those sitting in the back.

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Can I have Aaron's computer, please?

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Good

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afternoon.

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Yeah, were we just waiting just a second to let people settle in?

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Good afternoon, commissioners.

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Aaron Doren, management and budget director.

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Today we have a presentation for you for the maximum village for fiscal year 2027.

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This first slide is kind of a recap of where we are now.

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We'll say to the county to your current millage rate is 7.8275.

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The Health Department of Millage is 0.1054 mills.

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Stormwater MSTU is 0.1139 mills.

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We cannot hear.

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Yeah, let me see. Yeah, let me see. Yeah, you can find it. What's organized up? Yeah, it's just a minute to regroup a lot here on the podium.

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she moved her on. You get her out there. Yeah, is it this one?

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My test

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now.

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All right, hold on.

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What is?

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I know I'm trying to restart it so that it'll be in presentation mode. There we go. All right. All right. You just wait just a second where people get settled again.

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We're going to make some room for the public. The staff is going to go on a separate area. Until we need.

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You know, I'm not.

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You're not.

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not.

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I'm no.

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Well, then you guys can support.

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Daniel.

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If we need to come down and get that

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size, we just need to get told that I need

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to.

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Kate.

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All right.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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This is working on a great audio.

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It's making your next week.

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No, she did that.

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You can leave.

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Thank

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you for your patience.

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Eric, you can go ahead.

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Sorry.

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Thank you, some.

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Okay, just for those who come in here, my name is Erin Doran, I'm the managing budget director for

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her NATO County. This is the Maximum Millage Presentation for Fiscal Year 2027.

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The first slide kind of

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goes over where we are now.

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I'm being told that's as loud as it goes. I will try to be loud or

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myself. So sorry if some of you hear me screaming. The current

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millage rate for the county is 7.8275 mills. The health

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department is 0.1054. Stormwater MST is 0.1139. Transportation

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trust 0.8091. Emergency medical services 0.9100 and a general

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So the current taxable value increased $290 million, $1,030, which was an increase of 1.4913% of the county's total taxable value that was certified at $19,447,968,771.

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Then there is new growth, which totaled 930,317,139 of the county's total taxable value.

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That equated to 4.736 of that taxable value.

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This slide provides a local comparison.

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in.

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Board this slide.

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We've seen him for on the left hand side is a, I like to compare the where we are.

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Tax rates is a comparison of the surrounding neighboring counties in Clay County's kind

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of similar to Hernandez County a little bit.

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You can see the taxable value of those counties.

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We have about 18 billion as Aaron's mentioned and the other counties around it.

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The top three lines that data comes from the state of Florida, that is per capita total

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So that's what we charge per tax citizen, per person for the total county tax bill that goes out, and you can see Hernandez County's very competitive with these five counties that are on here.

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Below that is a lot of ways you can, the purpose of that graph is to show the new meeting different ways that the county that gets the revenue to provide for the services that the county provides to the citizens.

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And you can see general fund and many different MSTU's.

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The different counties do EMS and store water.

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And then also you can see those bonds in the bottom pass go likes to use general obligation bonds to pay for large debt projects.

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That's kind of the purpose of that.

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But you can see the bottom of that is the total county avalorum tax rate.

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And you can see Hernando counties at 7.82.

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This is at the end of last year's tax bill.

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Very competitive with this neighbor pass going citrus county on the right hand slide.

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That is a graph that's put out by the state of Florida.

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That graph shows the impact of the property tax amendment that's on the ballot in November.

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The darker red counties, and we'll go back here, a lightning is getting us today.

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Okay, so the darker red counties have a higher percentage of impact to the county based on the reduction in the property taxes that's going to be voted in next year.

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And so there's a greater impact to the county.

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The will align small print in the bottom.

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It says we're small to medium counties with a high home state concentration, which

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in an county, the top five counties will listen to your hannanda counties, one of them,

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Should be the largest impact in the reason why we have a homestead properties and your valuation, they told you valuation is not as high, right? So the value of the properties isn't high. So the impact to the loss of revenue would be impacting more of the county next year. Next slide.

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So boy, I wanted to talk on this before we get into the budget here. Well, quick today just to make sure that we know what's happening. And I think it's my job is to educate you that year one, that's a $31 million reduction that would happen. That would be next year's budget when we're sitting here doing next year's budget.

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The budget will be $31 million, less than revenue, year two before the eight million.

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Less than revenue to the county, basically the prioritizing services.

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We'll get into a little bit of that today.

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The next thing that I was coming up with ideas and looking at a lot of,

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I don't know if that's how it makes work any sense, but anymore.

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But there is an idea that you can make, put all the core services.

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There are things you have to fund next year, and things you don't have to fund.

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You have to fund all your cost, you have all serves, you law enforcement, fire, rescue.

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you, some of those emergency manual functions have to be funded, discretionary things, parks

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and things.

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Don't have to be, you could put them all in MSTU, so it makes it simple.

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However, I don't think the revenues will allow, I don't think the revenues will be gone once

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you get by all the constitution offices in the parks and recs.

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I have a slide to explain what we think the impacts are for that.

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So there is an option, you could do it.

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I wanted to put everybody on board next year, there's fire EMS in roads and stone water.

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Those on your tax bill have a separate taxing bill, taxing line.

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Those next year, I think potentially we'll be okay, because EMS,

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we could within reason, within the limitations of taxing abilities,

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mental, military caps, and you could raise EMS enough to make sure you pop out of your ambulance services.

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Or you know, we'll be a little bit of reduction in service, I believe.

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But I think you could, you can raise that when Stonewater, I think you'd be fine, just less projects.

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And then the health department's in there, I didn't put them on here because that's a state self department, and I think the state can take care of the state self department.

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If the military don't support the current operations, and then transportation roads, that basically would end up, you could raise that a necessary to maintain the current level of service you have in your roads, hopefully with your military caps.

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If not, we will talk about road resourcing in a minute, too.

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And then the remaining parts of government are in Abelora, revenue.

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However, I don't think there'll be a lot of revenue and revenue left in Hernando County because of that impact.

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But I just, I don't want to be having them caring to be with that.

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It's just facts that I see today after the better solution I'm looking for.

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Maybe the legislature is going to go in session next year, right?

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And so they normally legislatures in session in the past, they haven't been so

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helpful to counties, right? And so potentially next year, you know, I thought about they

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could remove the restrictions on sales tax, right? And so you can't do it, but you can't

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do a vote now except every general election if they remove that next year and allow counties

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to do a special election, allow you to use sales tax for operating. You know, the citizens

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of the community could vote in its own sales tax to fund what they want. If they like parks

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and libraries then because it's not going to be on property taxes next year, you could vote.

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But that's one thing I thought about that legislation contains that rule.

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Currently, you can't use any sales tax for operating.

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But legislation going into section next year, maybe there'll be a solution.

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Normally, the solutions have been anti, against the counties because of lots of good reason for

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do for it, but this is my thoughts, but next slide.

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So as we get worried to get this budget here in a minute, we'll talk about some things,

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As Roger surfs thing earlier this year board, we talked about road surfs thing in the county.

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It's a critical issue that I believe we need to start addressing.

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The board you did gives a great direction this year.

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You worked on it.

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The direction was for me to raise the transportation trust millage up this year by lowering the avalorum.

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And so that was, unfortunately, my budget opportunity today I couldn't do it, right?

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And so maybe we can figure that out because I couldn't lower the avalorum revenues to allow

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for the transportation trust to go up as we requested.

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So that is, I do think that's, I was just going record again, I think in a few years,

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when the Barclay widening project happens, and then one after that, you're going to borrow money and

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take gas tax to pay that debt service.

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Your resurfacing ability is going to go down in this county, and I just want to know in a few years,

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we'll be talking about not resurfacing as many roads we do today and I think we don't

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do a very good job today. It's one of the areas that we've talked about sales taxes before

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to pay for this and it hasn't been voted in so still we need to move forward on resurfacing

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and that problem we'll talk about some more about that. And then the transit, go back and

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with things. Trans I just say with something I'm working on putting back you short.

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We're looking to see in which ones are really effective, but not, it's really a board policy, but you could maybe reduce a little bit of that and save a little money. That isn't gas tax, $150,000, and doesn't do a lot for resourcing, but it pays a parcel road or something. So, we are looking at trying to figure out if that's efficient, and there's some money we can save there.

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here. Next slide. So born, you know, today the budget I've provided you is the best budget

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I bet I should have presented to you with the direction from the board of not touching

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the average, the average.

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I had other solutions when I got all the revenues and expenses in

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from the Constitutionals and the county departments. I came this board and told you the county was

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up 6% in expenses of 10 main short to make it all work since then we've reduced all the

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county expenses were flat but we'll get to that in a minute.

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I would, if it was me, you couldn't do number one, it's tough, very tough decisions, right?

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But you raised .1 mil, that's what I was trying to do, it began fun road resurfacing because

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the best time to start planning like a new tree in your yard is today, it'll be there

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in 20 years, right?

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Next city tree.

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So it's a huge issue for our county.

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I mean, we have to start moving forward towards it, but you could do that and then I would fund the library too.

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I know that I will get to me closing a library, proposing to close the library in a minute.

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But that would end in the .05, provides a revenue that's necessary for that.

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So that was, I didn't bring that to a solutions to you.

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I mean, she was not to do that one because I've got direction,

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an avalorum needs to stay or even go down.

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And I don't think you can take it,

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I couldn't go down with meeting the policies,

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budget policies and things.

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So I didn't present those.

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I chose to reduce expenses,

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which is, and the reason why that has to happen also

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is looking forward, right?

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So, if you're on to a property tax referendum next year,

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if you're looking at,

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look at the numbers,

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If you're looking at that passing, and it's only really well, I got 58%, you probably have

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your own number.

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You're all really closely.

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Why do you keep reinvesting in things that are going to take the next week, right?

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And so it's tough, right?

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So these are tough times of the county, tough decisions, but a good announcement may tell

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me if you're going to get rid of a car next year, do you put new four new tires on it, right?

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And these are not easy decisions, but so we'll go to the next slide.

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Yes, so looking at and it looks like it hasn't messed up.

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Yeah, I don't know why.

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The board has a copy of it.

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You want to put it on Elmo?

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Yeah, can we go on?

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Switch to Elmo so people can see me.

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It's just Elmo, please.

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Thank you.

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No problem.

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The green ones are here.

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Okay.

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There we go.

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Okay, so looking at revenue that is in the general fund.

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That is one of the funds that receives avalorum revenue.

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We've heard a lot about the potential legislation regarding property tax reform.

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That will affect every county differently, as administrators Roger mentioned.

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We have here in Toronto County a very high ownership rate, higher than the average within the state.

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So when we go to look at the revenue that's currently coming into the general fund, they're really into two categories.

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There's recurring revenue that's your avalorum, that would be your sales tax, county revenue sharing, some building rentals, and some other income like that.

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But basically that revenue can be used to pay for any allowable expense.

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Then the county receives what we would call non-recurring revenue, or revenue that's for a specific purpose.

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It could not be used to go pay for constitutional officers, state candidates, perhaps debt.

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That includes grant revenue, which obviously the county receives and can only be spent on allowable expenditures per that grant.

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We also have some restricted use revenue that includes the opioid settlement funding

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that comes in, although it can be spent on certain activities, they still have to

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meet that requirement to be spent.

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We have fund balanced, so this includes the reserves from the previous year that was

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in spent, projects that haven't started yet, we also use that to balance the budget.

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it. So basically that is one time funding. The assumption is that that one time funding

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would be used.

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We also have some funding that's collected by libraries and parks, some fees for parking, rental, obviously if we did not have those, that income would not be coming in. Then the last category is what we have is cost allocation. And looking at that, those are your like central services that's HR that's managing the public.

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budget, that's procurement facilities, they get to charge out to various departments. And

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if this were to pass and you know we were to do what you know perhaps to meet this requirement,

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we don't believe that that would then be charged out to those departments. It would be those

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individuals that need to work for those departments would then be directly allocated to them.

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So, if you have an HR individual who is helping utilities, doing their HR, they would be charged directly to utilities.

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And so we would no longer really be doing that cost allocation.

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So, if you look at that difference, recurring revenue and then what they have estimated,

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would be losing when that full $250,000 exemption went into effect. That would be recurring

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revenue at approximately $98 million, $98.5. And then obviously just looking at our

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constitutional total, the total that we have for state mandates, the total for debt, those

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other things that need to be paid. It doesn't appear as of if we did it today, there

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there would be enough funding to cover all of those expenses.

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Now I've heard other things like, you know, the state may step in for parks, the state

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may help libraries, the state may set up a trust fund to help fund fire in the Sheriff's

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Office, and if it passes the state may do, some are all of those things, we don't know.

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But as of today, this is what we know, and that trust fund was not included when they discussed

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that's the final forage for that.

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Mr. Chairman.

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Thank you.

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I just want to clarify that the fire is not included

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because this has its own to you, correct?

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So it's misleading to say that the fire would be affected.

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It would not be affected at all because it has its own tax on it.

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Oh no, I didn't say that.

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I just said this is just general fund.

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I understand, but you mentioned fire.

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I just want to clarify that fire is not affected.

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They will have their same revenue.

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It would not be affected by this tax cut at all

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because it has its own to you, correct?

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It does. I think part of that, though, is like EMS, does have funding that comes from

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Avallarm, so obviously that would collect less.

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Okay. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. Okay. On the EMS side. Okay. But yeah, we try to buy EMS.

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The virus side would not be effective. We talked about potentially being able to raise the

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EMS back up some more. For some changes in service, you know, to make it work. But yeah,

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the EMS side not to fall. You're right about the fireside. Yep. Yeah. Sometimes we say

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If I are, we mean it, yes, you can see me on the AMS, we should say AMS.

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It's like, where we go.

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Yep.

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Can we please switch back to Aaron's computer?

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Boy, yeah, real quick.

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Well, no, it's been a long time.

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This is the state's, we always like to compare this.

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The state's numbers on, actually not in that state.

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This is Florida Tax Watch Independent Organization that oversees county

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governments and their numbers on what counties are spending on taxes.

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You can see we are number 46 in this per capita total property tax.

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We are the 27th largest county, we used to be 28, I think we're getting 27 now.

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27th largest county, so I think the Board of County Commission has done an amazing job

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and keeping the tax rate for citizen low in this county.

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Thank you.

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I'm getting this budget a little bit more talented, Board.

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Oh, Aaron, you're going to go to the slide this year?

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Okay, I'm sorry.

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We have a plan here, it's your plan.

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So these are current factors that would be impacting the budget.

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But the first one you'll see is FEMA reimbursement with Helena Milton,

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hernando county paid out approximately $22 million after those storms.

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The majority of that funding came from general fund reserves to date the county has only been

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reimbursed approximately $7.1 million from FEMA.

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The reserves have been budgeted at the minimum per the county policy of 18.5%.

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During Fiscal Year 26 reserves have also been used to fund un-budgeted expenditures, including body-worn cameras that were $2.9 million.

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A park's office remodel for our 155,000, and should see at fire, proper placement, which was $2,600, $660. Then, there is a knowledge reduction in fiscal year 25 and 26. The knowledge was reduced and balanced using reserves and removal of CIP projects or one time expenses. Reserves are now budgeted at the minimum, again, of 18.5%.

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This slide has some additional consideration.

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There has been some new legislation that has been signed.

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The first one is House Bill 1329, which is the local government,

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Financial Transparency and Accountability Act, just a quick snippet about that.

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That is providing new budgeting requirements to be completed by the county.

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This includes a 10% budgeting exercise yearly during the budget,

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budgeting to not only the funding department, but also now the program,

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and posting additional information on the county website.

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SB4F was the property tax administration law.

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This addresses a military and the votes that are being required to adopt them.

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So that has been updated.

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The county has ordinance number 2016-15 in resolution 2016-130,

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which relate to appeal off.

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This is a rental fee charge to the county utility for the occupation of the rights of way owned by and located in unincorporated Orlando County.

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The ordinance currently has a limit of 4.5% of revenues.

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The maximum amount allowed by ordinance is 6% and the maximum amount allowed is budgeted in the fiscal year 27 budget.

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Utilities revenues and or expenses will be adjusted to account for this expense.

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And the last part of that slide is pending legislation that is the ballot proposal for

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property tax for random.

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That just re-list the estimate impact for year 1, tolls 31.5 million and year 2, 48.2

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million.

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These are some items that may need to be considered regarding EMS, a reduced level of service within

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in the county filling only essential positions,

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review of transportation capital projects,

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and basically recreational fees possibly increase.

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This slide just shows the certified taxable value

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by Fiscal Year from 2017 through 2027.

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This slide shows the historical military starts in 2018

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and goes through 2026,

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And basically that last year, you can see it's 7.8275 mills.

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This slide just goes over some of the CIP projects that were not included in the budget this year.

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I won't go over every one of them, but basically the ones that were requested and were not included totaled $3,514,270.

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So, Board, in the past couple of years, you remember that obviously, the process works

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in the Department of Department.

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We look at projects.

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We have CIPs that come forward, you know, in a fund of different years.

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This year, basically, just the revenues and expenses.

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And normally, we have, you know, we're running about two or three million dollars, and

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This is general fund-only, CIP projects, when in-apprising gas tax and things.

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Normally, we don't have to bait these at this meeting.

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And so, we've, to hear the budget work, the majority, there's a couple of stuff left and a couple of things left in the CIP, but we've removed majority of these right now, pushed them out or canceled some of them based on the current revenues trying to get it balanced at this time, but I won't be forward with this.

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Thank you.

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Boy, this is, you know, as I go through the process, the budget, we talked about different positions.

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These are some of those that I don't really know what your department requested that I was going to prove.

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It didn't improve, you know, whom you're trying to do some training in the county, a lot of customer service training.

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We're going to try to do that in a different way.

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We're going to try to get one person to kind of optimize doing that.

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There's been a request for additional veteran service officer that I was going to put it in and basically after I looked at all the

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buvv news and expenses, took and all these physicians out. IT business analysts working with the IT department, analyzing

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efficiencies and operations in different departments, trying to make things more efficient.

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Courts, requests and audio, visual engineer, just basically running the court rooms and basically what we're doing here now,

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technology and figured it all out making it work. And then Parks and Recreation, we use it

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been trying to add a-

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One, or two park records, people every year based just trying to keep up the maintenance in there, and then we do that. You know, mosquito controls is interesting. You know, as we continue to add to county, the growth, there's additional need in the county on departments, because every Sunday we put in, you know, there's a bunch of drainage in less if you didn't. And so we have to go treat all those, right? And so because they're a really good mosquito breeders, if they hold water in the bottom of their house, you know, highly highly

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early engineers, so we go and put little drains in it, so we have a drone and we're trying to fly it.

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The efficient if we can fly it and go in every subdivision and drop all the pellets in all the DRA so that,

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and no drainage in the surrounding county, because otherwise they grow a lot of mosquitoes.

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So if the little seapull gets stuck in the bottom of it, what happens to a little drain hole?

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And so, we're going to just, our staff's trying to do it just in timing and

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getting all these new houses and developments that are built and trying to keep up the mosquito level control.

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Also, just wouldn't do that this year.

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So we did, last year the board did a transfer to economic incentive.

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You know, that was, and not in your thousand, we transferred general fund last tangible property taxes to economic development.

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Last meeting we talked about, we use that as a match to get 13 men in here for

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a long time paying jobs.

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We removed that from the budget this year.

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It's unfortunate, but I was thinking about that, it's probably okay cuz we know this year we did the board did.

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We did borrow a lot of money to invest in the airport out there to allow for jobs and

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come out there and fix the infrastructure, and we're paying that little debt service long term.

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So we kind of are doing that transfer here again this year.

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So I thought about it and said we still are investing in economic development because it's

427
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the number two thing on our strategic plan, public safety, then we got to do economic development.

428
00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:53,340
It's important, preserves, and then communications to the citizens is important, right?

429
00:41:53,340 --> 00:41:56,200
So those are that community engagement is the other thing that's one point.

430
00:41:56,420 --> 00:41:59,600
So anyway, that's where I took those out of the budget for right now.

431
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,160
Then we did some other expenses with options, right?

432
00:42:05,540 --> 00:42:07,760
So we had a fire MSPU.

433
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,640
We kind of did as a lady, you know, this fireman and fire EMTs.

434
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:16,120
That's kind of for that new station we're building on Atlanta.

435
00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:17,700
So we had those in there.

436
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:18,560
We kind of removed them out.

437
00:42:18,660 --> 00:42:23,320
We'll bring that back next year when we're talking about

438
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:24,860
about the MSPU rate for next year.

439
00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:26,440
But with the property taxing happening,

440
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,180
and we need to see what the impacts are going to be,

441
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:30,920
but we can bring those back next year,

442
00:42:31,020 --> 00:42:31,980
and then what is going to delay

443
00:42:31,980 --> 00:42:33,760
staffing the heavy rescue this time,

444
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,540
so we don't put any more pressure on that fire on MSPU?

445
00:42:37,860 --> 00:42:38,520
This gave me, sir.

446
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:39,860
Yes, Commissioner Lockeau.

447
00:42:41,460 --> 00:42:46,740
Are you able to answer how many of those fire slash EMS positions

448
00:42:47,980 --> 00:42:50,580
are affecting the fire,

449
00:42:50,580 --> 00:42:56,460
which is already the fire rate versus the EMS rate

450
00:42:57,220 --> 00:42:59,500
because obviously we're just talking about how they're different.

451
00:43:00,620 --> 00:43:03,440
One of them is going to be in the General Fund

452
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,380
and one of them is a specific non-advalorem.

453
00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:08,580
Correct. I'll get a chief in here, but I will tell you.

454
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:09,700
You want to answer it? I don't know.

455
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:11,060
Chief's on the way.

456
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,580
No, I was just going to say so when we were talking about that advalorem,

457
00:43:16,780 --> 00:43:18,760
the advalorem does go straight to EMS.

458
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:32,400
Yes. Correct. Yes. But all these positions are in EMS positions. That's what I'm asking. Right. So no, I was going to say the seven library positions, the code enforcement officer, and the part times parks position.

459
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:38,940
Okay. So the ones on the top are not going to be affected by the general fund that we're talking about. Correct.

460
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:48,560
Okay. Just want to make sure. Thank you. Oh, yeah. Today. Yeah. Today. I was just going to say it was in a total budget. Right. So we have not we spent it's kind of costing on the general fund. There was other things that change.

461
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:53,640
And so I just went this is a change that we were doing that I took out so okay, it's not that you're fine

462
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,340
You're correct you're correct and typically fire splits

463
00:43:58,260 --> 00:44:00,760
6040 or 50 50 depending on their duties

464
00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:05,580
She can confirm the question so I

465
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,940
Caught part of it. I was talking about this showing current expenses removed

466
00:44:09,940 --> 00:44:16,560
I just was wondering of these 33 positions if you could tell us how many are gonna be affected by the general phone with the MSB

467
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:17,580
the U versus the MST.

468
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:22,390
Yeah, Paul Hosmer, Fire Chief Public Safety Director.

469
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:25,230
So, Miss Brady is correct.

470
00:44:25,570 --> 00:44:34,530
There's currently a 50-50 split on how things go MSBU for fire and MSTU for EMS.

471
00:44:35,010 --> 00:44:43,550
So, typically, the firefighter EMTs or firefighter medics are coming totally out of the MSTU.

472
00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:49,470
the captain's higher part of them is coming out of both the driver engineers

473
00:44:49,470 --> 00:44:55,910
are typically coming all out of fire. There is a split, there's a strategy that

474
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:59,850
but Aaron ultimately approves, I'm always, I mean.

475
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,400
They said to be diversified, but thank you. I just wanted to, when we saw these up here, I just wanted clarification on that. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

476
00:45:08,010 --> 00:45:30,310
I'll continue. So, I'll go back on to trust the, so let's discuss the library positions. So I did in the budget. I recommended removing seven library positions to make the budget balanced while this is a, it's a very difficult decision, right?

477
00:45:30,310 --> 00:45:38,470
And so the decision is that we need to reduce reoccurring expenses, right?

478
00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:42,850
So as we've been working on balancing the budget the last few years,

479
00:45:42,850 --> 00:45:45,550
we've reduced a lot of non one time expenses.

480
00:45:45,830 --> 00:45:50,030
And so you just saw the slide before this, again, we did it again this year.

481
00:45:50,130 --> 00:45:54,570
I mean, we've reduced delayed, maybe remove some of the projects,

482
00:45:54,570 --> 00:45:57,210
the $3.5 million of one time expenses, right?

483
00:45:57,210 --> 00:46:02,130
So, but the reoccurring expenses have to be equal to the revenues in the county.

484
00:46:02,810 --> 00:46:13,690
So at the existing revenue, the existing revenue rates that comes in from advalorum and from state revenue sharing that we get, half-send we get from the revenues in the state.

485
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:19,150
And then the funding all the county office and the public office office doesn't, it doesn't work.

486
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,020
We've reduced, we'll get you in a minute, we've reduced operating expenses throughout the county.

487
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:32,740
We're down almost 9.77%, the county's expenses are going down.

488
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:39,020
The close is, the question is, that's why the library, right?

489
00:46:39,180 --> 00:46:43,780
So the closing, as it looked across the county, and it's not only library, it's the mother departments.

490
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:51,060
The closing of the library does reduce programs for the citizens in this area.

491
00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:53,620
It's amazing programs that have happened in our library system.

492
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,640
But it doesn't give rid of the library access, right?

493
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:06,360
It's a little bit more of a convenience than a total loss because we do have the other libraries availability.

494
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,500
So this is better, this is better.

495
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,760
Guys, I know there's a lot of passion around this, thank you for being here.

496
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,640
You're going to get your opportunity to speak.

497
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,540
anybody that wants to speak is going to get an opportunity to speak.

498
00:47:23,820 --> 00:47:28,000
This is an official budget meeting and we're going to run it as accordingly.

499
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,740
Please don't interrupt the presentation.

500
00:47:30,060 --> 00:47:31,520
You will get your opportunity to speak.

501
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:32,240
Thank you.

502
00:47:35,780 --> 00:47:49,900
So this impact, it was a little, I believe, a little as impactful than some of the other impacts of closing like a permanent park.

503
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:52,780
like, you know, I'll tell you because then the pickleball courts will be available and you may

504
00:47:52,780 --> 00:47:59,160
it all, right? And so the ability of our library system to still provide a resource at other locations,

505
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:04,700
I believe was a little bit of a less of an impact now. I don't like making decisions. They're amazing

506
00:48:04,700 --> 00:48:11,440
team members of our county and they're not very easy decisions to make decisions as we go forward.

507
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:20,860
Now the secondary issue that I've already mentioned here is why so why make a

508
00:48:20,860 --> 00:48:25,000
a decision at all about changing a level of service in a county.

509
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,240
And I know it's not nice.

510
00:48:27,580 --> 00:48:29,820
It depends on what we believe in the future.

511
00:48:32,460 --> 00:48:37,320
If the $31 million that we just talked about happens,

512
00:48:39,220 --> 00:48:45,170
and why continue to invest in something that next year,

513
00:48:45,330 --> 00:48:46,770
I believe all close to more.

514
00:48:47,170 --> 00:48:49,470
I just hate to say it, but I just don't have the answer yet.

515
00:48:49,470 --> 00:48:55,290
I don't have the answer with the property tax thing pending yet.

516
00:48:55,530 --> 00:48:58,410
And that's why I mentioned legislative changes next year.

517
00:48:58,450 --> 00:49:01,470
They can help fix this thing if people vote the property tax then.

518
00:49:01,530 --> 00:49:05,090
If the public hold is looking good, that how we're going to fund the government.

519
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:10,370
You just saw that the numbers that you have left will fund your constitution also in your public safety.

520
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:18,270
The non required things in your county, and it's not only that code enforcement.

521
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:23,350
A lot of things planning, permitting is all going to be very, how we fund that next year.

522
00:49:23,570 --> 00:49:48,150
So that's the decision, the library, the west side library where we can get into details about which library that one is currently closed in an AC upgrade that we're working on, be done a couple of months, hence why my opinion is close just one to another library, but we can have that conversation where, but the amount, the number of the amount of money and I know this in question, yes.

523
00:49:49,010 --> 00:49:49,550
Thank you, sir.

524
00:49:50,650 --> 00:49:51,210
Commissioner Champion.

525
00:49:51,830 --> 00:49:52,110
Thank you, sir.

526
00:49:52,590 --> 00:49:55,350
I was going to leave this at the end, but I'll go ahead and mention it now.

527
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:57,030
At first, I'm going to just talk about the poll.

528
00:49:57,450 --> 00:49:59,430
And, you know, we have to look at this and say,

529
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:59,470
Thank you.

530
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:29,780
And I appreciate all the, what 1000 emails probably, 1000 emails and all the people that are supporting the libraries. I mean, that's a good thing. And you know what, more people should show up in these meetings and more people should be passionate because you could change government that way. So I appreciate that. So right now the polls are, and it was two different media sources that's 64%. And that was the main Florida polls. I mean, and you know what, I think there's a lot of people that aren't coming out for it, and they're going, will I save $2,000 in my taxes?

531
00:50:29,780 --> 00:50:31,560
when they go into the polling booth, they're going to check yes.

532
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,680
I don't care what party you're part of, they're going to check yes

533
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,220
because the money's better in their pocket than the government.

534
00:50:36,380 --> 00:50:37,380
I know you made a different opinion.

535
00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:39,240
But there is options for the library.

536
00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:40,880
And I know most of you guys are here for the library.

537
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,220
Other counties have an MSTU for libraries and parks.

538
00:50:45,460 --> 00:50:46,820
You could have a separate taxing line.

539
00:50:47,260 --> 00:50:50,600
And I'm all for putting out a rough random and having you vote.

540
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,760
If a majority of Hernando County says we need a separate taxing line

541
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,080
to fund all the libraries,

542
00:50:58,620 --> 00:51:01,720
I'm with the people, if the majority votes that way, I'm fine with it.

543
00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:02,960
We can do the same thing for parks.

544
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:05,420
We can do the same thing for some of these other categories.

545
00:51:05,860 --> 00:51:10,620
Now, I mean, there's requirements and new voting standards and, you know, etc, etc to do that.

546
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,720
But I'm not about just getting ahead of it.

547
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,080
I would like if the will of people says, hey, we want to cut the taxes and they vote this thing through,

548
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,540
then I'm not going to arbitrarily vote it and say, we're going to determine that we're going to do this.

549
00:51:21,580 --> 00:51:25,460
We put it on ballot and we would ask you whether you want this or not.

550
00:51:25,460 --> 00:51:49,080
You know, so there is options, this is not the end-all-be-all, you know, this is this talk right now, because in order to be responsible, because our number one job is to control the budget, and taxing and basing laws, and the kind of we said policy for you, whether, you know, you get a shed or a fence, and how you get tax on your property, and each of these individual departments, and they enterprise funds, how they're funded, and how you affected.

551
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:53,460
So, that's our job, but this is coming from the state and this is our governor's priority

552
00:51:53,460 --> 00:51:58,900
along with our CFO to reduce taxes on you, because you've been burned with this large

553
00:51:58,900 --> 00:51:59,380
tax bill.

554
00:51:59,780 --> 00:52:01,540
Maybe some of you don't have the large tax bill, I'm not sure.

555
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:06,820
But looking at the holes right now, it would be irresponsible to say, are we going to increase

556
00:52:06,820 --> 00:52:07,220
anything?

557
00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:14,060
So, I mean, my vote is leaving it flat, that's what I want to be, like leave it alone, leave

558
00:52:14,060 --> 00:52:18,220
the library budget alone, leave all the departments alone, and that would be one more year with

559
00:52:18,220 --> 00:52:22,200
the status quo. Now, would you have increases, would you have raises? Maybe not. I don't know.

560
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:28,040
You know, but is it responsible to increase it? You know, when you right now, you've got

561
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,640
a sure thing pretty much is going to go through and they're going to cut the taxes by 48 million.

562
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,580
Then what do we do? Then next year, we have to cut even more than we have what we're going to cut

563
00:52:35,580 --> 00:52:39,860
right now or if we leave it flat. And we have a lot of discussions and this is the first meeting.

564
00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:44,380
We've got several meetings on this. I appreciate your passion about it, but there's counties.

565
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:46,720
There's

566
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:48,000
separate line for libraries.

567
00:52:48,620 --> 00:52:50,460
They have a separate MSTU for libraries.

568
00:52:50,660 --> 00:52:51,960
They're funding that.

569
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:52,500
They're funding that.

570
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,960
No, we don't do that here, but we can.

571
00:52:55,740 --> 00:52:56,640
I mean, it's possible.

572
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,860
You know, so if I'd rather really like to be a referendum,

573
00:52:59,860 --> 00:53:01,880
I like to have a vote for the people and says,

574
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,620
hey, due to the changing of taxes,

575
00:53:04,140 --> 00:53:06,460
and maybe that's a 2028, would it be 2028, right?

576
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,120
So it would be 2028, now would be that,

577
00:53:08,740 --> 00:53:10,240
would that be the second year of the first year?

578
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,420
That would be our first year of the cuts,

579
00:53:11,940 --> 00:53:13,080
but you're going into the second year.

580
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:14,780
It would be the second year of the second year.

581
00:53:14,780 --> 00:53:21,560
So it'd be painful, but does that mean that we can't vote that through and fully find it if the public came out and said?

582
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,100
But I think it's more than just libraries. I think parks is another one.

583
00:53:24,220 --> 00:53:32,380
I think people are passionate about parks. And what is the first thing we cut every time, every single time we have the cut of budget, parks get slashed.

584
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:40,260
I thought the Chris Lindsay back about that are leader of that department just yesterday. And I'm sorry, man. Every single time it seems like that's a low hanging fruit.

585
00:53:41,180 --> 00:53:45,040
So, we'll see what happens with this whole thing, but there are options, so I'm telling you, thank you.

586
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:56,920
Yeah, I mean, that's some good discussion points about, you know, they must treat your other counties, do you have a sit-out that I need to get five libraries, and so I kind of agree with you about, you know, the mill, that's why I kind of proposed the millage stay in flat, is that same reason, right?

587
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:05,240
And so, if we keep it flat this year, and I didn't increase it, so you know, I agree with you that we keep it flat, then kind of wait to see what happens in November, right? Maybe.

588
00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:05,800
Okay.

589
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:07,160
Thank you, sir.

590
00:54:07,380 --> 00:54:07,920
The attorney is driving.

591
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:08,440
Yeah.

592
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:11,600
I just wanted to clarify what commissioner champion said.

593
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,820
As far as he kept referring to a BU, but it's actually a TU.

594
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:16,040
Okay.

595
00:54:16,300 --> 00:54:17,180
It makes stuff sometimes, yeah.

596
00:54:17,180 --> 00:54:17,280
Yeah.

597
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:22,960
For the benefit of the audience, benefit unit is non-advalor.

598
00:54:23,220 --> 00:54:25,020
And a taxing unit is advalor.

599
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:26,200
I meant TU, sorry.

600
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:28,700
And that would be based on value.

601
00:54:28,820 --> 00:54:28,940
Correct.

602
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:29,780
That would be based on value.

603
00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:32,180
The BU is based on a property benefit.

604
00:54:32,380 --> 00:54:33,520
It's a BU standard for benefit.

605
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,720
like fire, every single property benefits from fire.

606
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,140
In my opinion, I think every single property benefits from police too.

607
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,380
But the law says we can't do that. I much rather have that.

608
00:54:45,500 --> 00:54:49,440
I much rather have a BU that says everyone pays for police because we all benefit from it.

609
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,220
We want law and order, right? We don't want any, we don't want victims here.

610
00:54:53,580 --> 00:54:55,800
But they don't allow us to do that. I've never mentioned that a bunch of times.

611
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,820
And I think it's something we can talk to the legislation about because I think I'm okay.

612
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:29,460
Every single person benefits of that. It makes a lot of sense. Thank you, sir. Commissioner Alaka. Thank you. I just, this wasn't my original question, but I'm going to ask it now that it just came on. To do an MSTU, you would literally be increasing millage at that point. That's why I asked for a vote. I'm just saying, but I'm just saying I want to make sure we're all understanding. I find it highly unlikely that a board is going to want to increase taxes after a referendum.

613
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,220
I'm not for it. I've said you would before it if they voted for it.

614
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,980
If they voted for it, that's not the vote for yourself eventually to put it on there.

615
00:55:38,460 --> 00:55:41,180
Any time I can give the public a chance to vote, I would be about that.

616
00:55:41,180 --> 00:55:45,200
Okay, so here's my concern. This budget, which you're presenting right now,

617
00:55:45,980 --> 00:55:48,340
isn't even going to roll back. Correct?

618
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,000
No, I wouldn't go to roll back.

619
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:54,460
Okay, so including the cuts that are here already, we're not even to roll back yet.

620
00:55:54,460 --> 00:55:59,580
I just want to make sure that we're all aware of that means we're not aware of it.

621
00:55:59,580 --> 00:56:01,160
That doesn't mean that everything stays the same.

622
00:56:01,340 --> 00:56:08,580
We're about 10 million below where it would be from last year because we used reserves to balance the budget.

623
00:56:08,620 --> 00:56:12,160
And then we used more reserves to get the body worn camera.

624
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,900
We used more reserves to fix the problem etching, see get help.

625
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,360
We used more reserves for that building repair.

626
00:56:17,860 --> 00:56:19,360
I just want to make sure we're all on the same page.

627
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,600
So my concern, because we were in the middle of the library discussion.

628
00:56:24,580 --> 00:56:29,340
And I'll be transparent, I'm in the west side of the county, right?

629
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,100
That's my district.

630
00:56:30,620 --> 00:56:35,680
And that library has the best resources I believe for children.

631
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,520
It's one of the, it's

632
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:50,560
also in one of the busiest, most populated sectors of our county it provides services to Wikiwachi.

633
00:56:51,900 --> 00:56:54,060
Please, please, please, please, please, let me finish.

634
00:56:54,900 --> 00:57:02,420
We keep watching Hernando Beach, Northwest, her Spring Hill, and obviously the Royal Highlands area.

635
00:57:03,140 --> 00:57:10,140
Now, again, we have to have conversations here, and we do have to talk about how do we streamline?

636
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,460
How do we find ways to reduce costs?

637
00:57:13,380 --> 00:57:19,040
If there had to be one, and none of us want that, I don't think that this is the right place.

638
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,420
It's because of the population that it, that benefits.

639
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:28,480
We have a spring hill outside that gets the south side of Spring Hill, a big portion of the community.

640
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:36,560
We know the west, I mean the east side is the growing, I'm just concerned that if something has to happen.

641
00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:45,940
If I don't think this is the right place for it to happen based off of the, because we're supposed to be providing services for the population as a whole.

642
00:57:45,940 --> 00:57:47,800
And that's my biggest concern.

643
00:57:47,940 --> 00:57:53,480
If we're going to have to reduce, I think we have to be strategic about conveniences one thing,

644
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,780
making sure you're close to the population center is a big part of that.

645
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,500
And that's just one of my concerns, I just want to bring that forth.

646
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:06,400
I've had this conversation with you already, administrator, again that's just my concern.

647
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:11,040
If we have to go in that direction, I think that this is not a good place for

648
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:15,520
that to happen because, again, of the population center, the population growth.

649
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,240
And the fact that it's our best one, I believe, for the children.

650
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:20,080
Thank you, sir.

651
00:58:24,970 --> 00:58:26,510
Mr. Champion, thank you.

652
00:58:26,850 --> 00:58:27,950
I just want to clarify a couple things.

653
00:58:29,490 --> 00:58:32,610
It's kind of misleading because this is done on purpose to mislead you.

654
00:58:32,690 --> 00:58:36,750
So when you look at all these firefighters, EMS, because we didn't increase and

655
00:58:36,750 --> 00:58:42,210
say because we can't afford to staff a brand new station, that's what these

656
00:58:42,210 --> 00:58:43,010
positions are coming from.

657
00:58:43,290 --> 00:58:45,430
We did not cut a dime from fire.

658
00:58:45,930 --> 00:58:48,050
We didn't cut anything, and we don't plan on cutting a dime.

659
00:58:48,050 --> 00:58:52,230
We already voted on this. They're getting the same money, the same rate they had last year,

660
00:58:52,590 --> 00:58:56,950
and we have one of the best ratings, ISO ratings, in the state of Florida, ISO2.

661
00:58:58,130 --> 00:59:02,630
Pasco's worse, Citrus's worse, Sumters worse. So, when we voted on this,

662
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:07,470
at least the way I voted on it, I voted not to expand because we can't afford it right now.

663
00:59:07,830 --> 00:59:13,250
So, this is misleading because most of those positions are all for a new station brand new.

664
00:59:13,830 --> 00:59:16,850
So, that's not being cut. That's not being cut from the current head count, right?

665
00:59:16,850 --> 00:59:23,110
Now, the library thing is put out in public and put out there by staff to scare you as well

666
00:59:23,110 --> 00:59:24,810
because it's such a small percentage.

667
00:59:25,330 --> 00:59:26,210
I mean, you showed them, right?

668
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:28,690
.05 mils, right?

669
00:59:29,070 --> 00:59:31,690
But it gets all of you out here to talk about it.

670
00:59:31,830 --> 00:59:33,310
Now, granted, we have to do what we have to do.

671
00:59:33,390 --> 00:59:38,110
This is one step of dozens of things that are going to have to be cut.

672
00:59:38,290 --> 00:59:42,010
This is not just libraries, you know, $48 million is a lot.

673
00:59:42,010 --> 00:59:47,270
But again, we're all going to remind you that 2019, to now, it's a 143 percent increase.

674
00:59:47,690 --> 00:59:49,030
So what was our budget of 2019?

675
00:59:49,290 --> 00:59:50,130
Maybe we need to pull that out.

676
00:59:50,670 --> 00:59:54,210
Maybe we need to look at 2019 and say, what have we spent in 2019, you know, and then

677
00:59:54,210 --> 00:59:54,990
go back to that budget?

678
00:59:55,090 --> 00:59:55,390
I don't know.

679
00:59:55,970 --> 00:59:59,950
You know, but this stuff is meant to, this meant, this is...

680
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:28,800
If I vote for this tax, they're going to take all the libraries away. Well, there is options to fix that, like I told you earlier. So, you know, that you've got to be careful what you're looking at on the screen because remember, I represent you, and so do these other commissioners, not government, not the administrator. In fact, he works for us, along with the lawyer. We represent you, and all these governments are on the state are trying to scare you. Don't vote for this tax cut. You know, the $2,000 is better off in our pocket than yours.

681
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:33,860
Because that's about the average savings of anyone that's going to, you know, on a homestead, especially when it gets a full amount.

682
01:00:34,380 --> 01:00:39,760
You know, $2,000 is it better off in our hands to make decisions with or better off in your hands?

683
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,320
You know, and that's the argument. It's going to be, and you know what, whatever the citizens vote for, I'm going to respect that.

684
01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:48,660
If it fails, it fails. If it passes, that's what we got to do. Right now it's passing.

685
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:55,840
And you know, when I think these numbers are underestimating, who's going to not cut their, when you walk into that booth and you go, yes or no?

686
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,260
So it's like, well, no, I'd rather pay $2,000 more.

687
01:00:58,860 --> 01:00:59,840
Let me just go ahead and check, no.

688
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:02,100
Homeowners aren't gonna do that.

689
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:03,980
They're not gonna do it, right?

690
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:05,440
So that's what they're realistic thing

691
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:06,400
we have to deal with right now.

692
01:01:06,860 --> 01:01:08,960
And this is about scare and you for the library.

693
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,040
And granted, it's realistic too.

694
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:12,560
It could happen, you know?

695
01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:14,880
And, but again, this is so much passion about it.

696
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:16,380
You know that maybe we need to look at

697
01:01:16,380 --> 01:01:18,720
a different funding source and talk about in the future.

698
01:01:19,140 --> 01:01:20,120
I'm gonna separate line for libraries.

699
01:01:20,460 --> 01:01:20,700
Thank you.

700
01:01:21,620 --> 01:01:22,220
Thank you, Sarah.

701
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:23,160
I'm gonna try to lock up.

702
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:28,380
Well, I just want to be clear and I want our administrator to answer this.

703
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,260
Are we talking right now when we're looking at things?

704
01:01:30,260 --> 01:01:36,420
Are we talking about making budget this year or are we talking about in 2028?

705
01:01:36,820 --> 01:01:38,260
This is 2027 budget.

706
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:44,060
Is it, these patients that we're talking about eliminate the fire because it's fine.

707
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:48,900
But the rest of this budget that we're discussing today, is it for today or are we talking about 2028?

708
01:01:48,900 --> 01:01:48,940
Okay.

709
01:01:49,820 --> 01:01:53,500
This budget starts October 1st of 2026.

710
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:54,920
Okay, thank you.

711
01:01:54,980 --> 01:02:02,620
So this budget that we're proposing now is not impacted by the property tax referendum.

712
01:02:02,900 --> 01:02:09,600
So I mean, that's the, but this budget you impact this year sets you up for where you're going to be.

713
01:02:09,780 --> 01:02:18,560
So next year when you're here, the past is it's going to be, it's not going to be the 10 million or something I'm sure this year, it's going to be 31 million, right?

714
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:29,040
So, it is the future, the property tax thing is a future budget, but I think proper financial management you prepare for things in the future and not you wait for them to come.

715
01:02:29,580 --> 01:02:30,560
Okay, follow-up?

716
01:02:30,820 --> 01:02:31,240
Yes, sir.

717
01:02:31,420 --> 01:02:34,660
Okay, and I want to agree with Commissioner Champion.

718
01:02:35,180 --> 01:02:44,500
If it passes, it will be the law of the land and whoever is sitting on this board will be required to provide a balanced budget with those new rules.

719
01:02:45,340 --> 01:02:57,140
But right now, today, the conversations we're having are, how do we get to the budgets that we need this year, which is rollback, and this is higher than rollback that we're talking about.

720
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:08,440
And if we are going to spend the tax money that we are going to be bringing in next year, where do we spend it so that we're not just throwing it away?

721
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:14,380
Okay. Okay. I hope that's what this discussion is about. That's what we're talking about, responsible spending of the money.

722
01:03:14,940 --> 01:03:20,980
Right. If something is likely to get closed down next year, it doesn't make sense for us to invest more in that.

723
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:26,400
It makes more sense to try to solidify the things that we have that we know we can hopefully keep going.

724
01:03:27,020 --> 01:03:33,940
Okay. That's what this is about. And if it gets hot up here, please recognize we don't get to talk about this outside of these meetings.

725
01:03:33,940 --> 01:03:40,920
Okay, and we all we all stand on our own we all have to give our our two cents on this but in the end all four of us

726
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,380
Never budget we have there's no leeway in this budget

727
01:03:44,380 --> 01:03:52,360
We're all got to come together as four commissioners and pass a budget that is going to be balanced by law has to be balanced

728
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:58,200
And it's also going to provide the maximum services to the community so that you're getting something for your tax money

729
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:00,040
Thank you, sir

730
01:04:00,900 --> 01:04:09,540
I want to continue on, I also removed one code enforcement officer in the position and one part-time maintenance position.

731
01:04:09,780 --> 01:04:19,860
Those positions come open and just stop filling open positions that are not, well, I make judgment calls on what things are critical in the daily operations of the county, that's my job.

732
01:04:20,060 --> 01:04:23,700
And so those positions are not funded in next year's budget.

733
01:04:28,260 --> 01:04:33,700
The slide shows a few of the unfunded mandates the county is responsible for funding.

734
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:40,180
The detention center currently $24 million, $716,192.

735
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:46,720
There is juvenile detention that is $1,392,375.

736
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:57,300
the medical examiner at $782,132 and Medicaid $4,659,161.

737
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:29,600
So, if you think about any, some of you have been here many years, that Medicaid number used to be like 3 million, used to be a 25% 50% share with the county, right? And so now you got 100% of that cost to the county. Over 4.4 million, 4.6 million. I mean, talk about raising cost to government debts. And then secondly, I, I'd like to watch a lot of legislation stuff and Florida channel and stuff. And so the state of

738
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:33,660
You know last year when the government shut down, you learned a lot about SNAP benefits, right?

739
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,640
And so our county, I think there's 25,000 people that have SNAP benefits.

740
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:42,000
That's federal dollars applied for people for nutrition assistance, program, right?

741
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:43,860
So the federal government pays for that.

742
01:05:44,020 --> 01:05:50,160
There is a current move in Washington, D.C., for states to pay for paying for portion of that cost.

743
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,020
Your state legislator had a home workshop on that.

744
01:05:53,140 --> 01:05:58,340
You can go watch enough for the channel on how they're going to try to figure out how much your percentage share of it is.

745
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:08,200
I believe if past history is correct, I'm preparing for the county of one day for us to pay for that portion of that cost, right?

746
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,320
And those costs are in the millions, millions of millions of dollars.

747
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:20,740
So I would expect in the future years, two or three years for us to have another one called SNAP benefits of a couple million dollars a year.

748
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:26,380
So just, I like to figure out what's coming in the future and I think they're going to increase unfortunately.

749
01:06:26,380 --> 01:06:34,160
Thank you, sir. For the benefit of the public, I just want to expound on the unfunded mandates for a second.

750
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:40,960
So these are items that the state requires the county to provide, but they don't give us funds to do it.

751
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:47,720
So we have to pay for it. When somebody passes away and a lot of times involved in a crime,

752
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:53,160
medical examiner has to step in. Guess who's paying for that? You are, right?

753
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:59,840
When people behave bad and we have to detain them, guess who's paying for that, you are.

754
01:07:00,740 --> 01:07:05,000
Unfortunately, our kids are in a lot of ways being neglected.

755
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:10,400
It'll family units are falling apart, and there's a lot of things going on there.

756
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:16,060
We've got a lot of positive things happening as well, but juvenile detention and

757
01:07:16,060 --> 01:07:21,580
the mental health problem in this county and in the state and

758
01:07:21,580 --> 01:07:24,900
in this nation and really around the world is an issue.

759
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,820
And so all of those things we have to pay for,

760
01:07:28,260 --> 01:07:30,560
but they're not giving, they're not providing us funds

761
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,980
to do so, and that number continues to go up.

762
01:07:33,980 --> 01:07:35,380
You can imagine, right?

763
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,000
So that's what that unfunded mandate is.

764
01:07:40,220 --> 01:07:42,380
It's something that we're required to provide,

765
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:44,680
but we don't have the funds to do it.

766
01:07:44,780 --> 01:07:49,120
We have to provide for ourselves via taxing the public,

767
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:53,140
And that's where it comes really, really, really tough situation.

768
01:07:53,940 --> 01:07:54,660
Commissioner Alaco.

769
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:56,440
Thank you for hitting on that.

770
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:02,180
I'm just going to look at the top two, the tension center and juvenile detention.

771
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:04,500
Okay, add those numbers up.

772
01:08:04,620 --> 01:08:13,160
You're looking at over $26 million coming out of your taxes every year because people can't behave properly.

773
01:08:13,820 --> 01:08:17,340
And that doesn't even include the cost for the Sheriff's Department to start the process.

774
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:24,260
Okay? And so we're looking at long-term ways to control cost of government, there you go.

775
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:29,800
All right, we all have to do a better job and the people that are in our lives to make those numbers go down.

776
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:39,360
And that doesn't even include the court system, which by the way, is that when they have to increase their numbers of judges, and then all the staff beneath them,

777
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:45,320
that's the reason why the county is no longer in this building, that's another basically unfunded mandate.

778
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:49,580
because now we had to find another place for all our county offices to be, right?

779
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:55,700
And so new buildings, new electrical, new liability insurance, all that kind of stuff,

780
01:08:55,700 --> 01:08:59,360
because this courthouse got too busy because people can't behave again.

781
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:04,580
And so you just think about that, and listen, I know a lot of people need Medicaid.

782
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:09,300
I'm a health care professional for over 20 years, 25 years, six years now.

783
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,460
Gosh, 27, it's getting old, that's the gray hair coming from, right?

784
01:09:13,460 --> 01:09:17,240
But the reality is, you know, we all know there's fraud there.

785
01:09:17,540 --> 01:09:26,200
We all know there's people who don't need it that are using it, and because it, and we all know that there are people who definitely need it, who probably should be able to have more of it, right?

786
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:34,860
But there's fraud there, and yet here we are, we have to pay for that as tax payers, it's just, these are big expenses.

787
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:42,260
You know, if we weren't, didn't have, this county didn't have that $26 million that we were responsible for, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

788
01:09:42,740 --> 01:09:49,800
I can tell you that right now but but there we are and we talk about the health department where mandatory having to pay for that too

789
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:56,380
It is the state health department that happens to be in Hernando County, but it isn't just for Hernando County residents

790
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,340
So I just just those are things that I know

791
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:28,620
It's convenient to get angry with us. And that's okay. That's what we could pay for, right? We signed up for it. We ran for office to get yelled at. But in the end, we have to balance a budget, but we also have to be honest with you with these are expenses. And I think most of our legislators are doing a fantastic job. But in the end of the day, these are unfunded mandates. These are things that maybe one less tax holiday and help fund these things. We make more sense. I don't want to do that.

792
01:10:29,380 --> 01:10:30,780
Thank you, sir, Commissioner Champion.

793
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:35,860
Thank you, I agree 100% and actually your last comment kind of relates to what I was going to say.

794
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:41,400
I think we need to, as a commission come together, we disagree on some things, but we agree on this.

795
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:46,720
I think we need to have a letter to the Governor, he tells that we have all this extra money, we're paying down reserves, and

796
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:52,920
cover Medicaid, cover the medical's hammer, help us do the detention centers because we're required to do it.

797
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:57,900
I think we need to start pushing back on the legislators to say, just get rid of these unfunded mandates,

798
01:10:57,900 --> 01:11:01,820
and we wouldn't have a problem with that, because there's a lot of revenue that's coming

799
01:11:01,820 --> 01:11:05,560
into the states and it's obviously where a tourist destination is a lot of money that

800
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:06,580
comes in that way.

801
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,600
So, but there's got to be some fundamental changes like we talked earlier about the road

802
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:10,920
paving.

803
01:11:11,700 --> 01:11:15,540
And most of you, I bet you've raised your hand and say, do you think your property tax is

804
01:11:15,540 --> 01:11:15,920
fund roads?

805
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:19,760
Nobody's raised their hand, so maybe you know.

806
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:24,420
But most of it is not funded by your property tax, it's funded by gas tax, and that's policy

807
01:11:24,420 --> 01:11:28,660
from Tallahassee. And Tallahassee steps the limit, and I believe it's what 15 cents for

808
01:11:28,660 --> 01:11:31,700
Gellon, it's been the same for 20, well it's been the same for years and years, a lot

809
01:11:31,700 --> 01:11:35,660
of money. But years and years, but even though cars got more efficient, electric cars don't

810
01:11:35,660 --> 01:11:39,260
pay anything, and whether it's five dollars a gallon or two dollars a gallon, we get 15 cents.

811
01:11:39,780 --> 01:11:43,940
You know, so, and has the expenses changed? Have the, have the expenses doubled or tripled? But,

812
01:11:43,940 --> 01:11:47,760
but again, Tallahassee's pushing this stuff on us as well, and that's something I don't agree

813
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,520
with, I think that if they're going to push something on you, they need to add some funding

814
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:55,400
with it. You know so why can't we as a board send a letter to the governor and say you need

815
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:59,460
to help the counties with these unfunded mandates. You know and it's worth a try they may just tell

816
01:11:59,460 --> 01:12:04,000
us a panel saying and they've never been respond to us but but again this would yeah we wouldn't be

817
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,960
having this conversation you wouldn't be in here we would be talking about libraries because all that money

818
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:12,960
would be paying for those things. Thank you. I'll go back to the medical examiner for a second each

819
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:18,760
one of us said on different boards representing this board on other boards. I have the privilege of

820
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:24,100
sitting on the medical examiner board and representing this board and that capacity.

821
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:31,540
So the medical examiner, we've already created as much efficiency as we can, right?

822
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:37,000
There's always opportunities, but we're running pretty efficient, so we don't just run this

823
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,180
on our own, we share this with five other counties.

824
01:12:40,820 --> 01:12:47,300
And so, but one of the things that really drives that number up is we want justice for victims,

825
01:12:47,300 --> 01:12:56,120
right? Or were a nation of justice? And so when people behave badly and somebody loses their life,

826
01:12:56,820 --> 01:13:02,000
they end up in a medical examiner's office. Now that medical examiner is going to be called as an

827
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:09,740
expert witness. Guess who pays for that? You do on behalf of all the victims out there, right? So it's

828
01:13:09,740 --> 01:13:15,880
again, it's an unfounded mandate. Can you imagine that the medical examiner's cost to go and be an expert

829
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:34,160
So these are all of the things that we're dealing with that the normal general public doesn't understand and so that's why when it comes to these decisions, they're really, really, really tough decisions, you know, what do you do?

830
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:38,080
You want justice for the victim and so we have to fund that.

831
01:13:40,660 --> 01:13:57,840
I just want to bring one other thing in this to light, and this isn't going to be, this isn't going to be probably well received, but I got to say it anyway, we can go back to 2020, and I'm going to tell you, not all of these expenses, but a significant amount of these expenses are people.

832
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:05,480
Okay, and if we go back to 2020, the voters of the state of Florida voted in a referendum.

833
01:14:05,480 --> 01:14:12,380
And I think most of you can remember when I bring it up, they thought it was a really good idea to increase the minimum wage to $15 an hour.

834
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:23,900
And as of September 1st of this year, the cost for the bottom line employment and then includes government to increase by 75%.

835
01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:36,680
Okay, $8.53, so it was at $0.56, whatever, $0.3 is going to make a difference, $0.15, as of September 1st of this year, that is a 75% increase.

836
01:14:37,340 --> 01:14:41,280
Now, when you work for government, you're part of the Florida retirement system, okay?

837
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:46,580
And so we have to now, we have to contribute to the Florida retirement system for each one of our employees.

838
01:14:46,900 --> 01:14:50,760
And I love our first responders, they do a very, very difficult job.

839
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:54,960
every first responder who's listening to me right now. I love you, I love what you do,

840
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:59,740
and I appreciate it. But every year, to make sure that the state remains

841
01:15:00,140 --> 01:15:29,080
All our high risk employees have been getting significant increases in the mandatory contributions that the taxpayer pays into their retirement. Every year, we're talking, we're not talking about small amounts, we're talking 2% a year, 2% a year, 2% a year. That adds up over time. So the cost of employment, or labor, I should say, has gone up significantly. And every time a detention center needs more people, every time a juvenile detention needs more medical, whatever parks and rec, you name it.

842
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:35,100
That cost has gone up tremendously, and I'm not even talking about the inflation that happened after COVID, right?

843
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,140
And notice nothing came down.

844
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:39,180
It's amazing how that happened.

845
01:15:39,300 --> 01:15:41,240
When COVID ended, the prices didn't come back down.

846
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:45,900
So I want you to understand that there are always unintended consequences.

847
01:15:46,180 --> 01:15:48,180
And we're doing our best to make sure this works.

848
01:15:48,660 --> 01:15:50,560
And again, we're going to have arguments back and forth.

849
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,280
I'm sure it's going to be heated at times.

850
01:15:52,740 --> 01:15:58,540
But we're trying to, this board has to make a budget based off what the law is.

851
01:15:58,540 --> 01:16:03,100
And at $15 minimum wage, listen, when the tide comes in votes rise.

852
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:11,360
Nobody who was making $15 an hour in 2020 is going to do the work they were doing in 2020 when they can scoop ice cream for $15 an hour now.

853
01:16:12,020 --> 01:16:13,240
But just, that's the way it is.

854
01:16:14,740 --> 01:16:15,440
Thank you, sir.

855
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:17,540
Okay, sir?

856
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:18,860
Yep, good, Aaron.

857
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:28,060
This slide recapped the military, the current military, and then the rate that is proposed,

858
01:16:28,060 --> 01:16:30,480
which is the same rate for fiscal year 27.

859
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:37,380
There's also the rollback rate that you can see and then the different.

860
01:16:37,820 --> 01:16:48,180
So the current military total 7.8275, the rollback rate for fiscal year 27, total 7.7048.

861
01:16:48,180 --> 01:16:56,440
and that is a difference of 1.59 percent between the current military and the

862
01:16:56,440 --> 01:16:57,340
rollback rates.

863
01:17:01,770 --> 01:17:05,470
There's a recap of the constitutional budgets. I will say what

864
01:17:05,470 --> 01:17:14,610
you're looking at right now shows the basically the request and the adopted

865
01:17:14,610 --> 01:17:15,150
budget.

866
01:17:17,290 --> 01:17:22,170
The sheriff had a amendment during the year to have body worn cameras

867
01:17:22,170 --> 01:17:25,630
that is not reflected in here because that was not part of the adopted budget.

868
01:17:26,150 --> 01:17:31,350
So when you go back and you look at his budget with that amendment, his increase is about 7%.

869
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:38,650
Also, the supervisor elections had some special elections in her budget, adopted budget.

870
01:17:39,250 --> 01:17:46,430
And so that's why that is showing a decrease because obviously those special elections are not in her request for fiscal year 27.

871
01:17:46,430 --> 01:17:53,430
in? This case made, Miss Doren. So, same thing with the Sheriff's Office. Commissioner

872
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:59,030
Alaco alluded to a fire in EMS and the FRS and the money that we have to pay into the

873
01:17:59,030 --> 01:18:04,150
retirement system, which again, these are people that are running toward danger. These

874
01:18:04,150 --> 01:18:08,830
are people that are up in the middle of the night protecting us. We appreciate every one

875
01:18:08,830 --> 01:18:15,110
of them. But if you look at the unfunded mandates, the things that the Sheriff's Office

876
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:21,090
has no control over like the FRS, I think the line item went up to 100%, but as a total

877
01:18:21,090 --> 01:18:27,550
budget, 2% of his total budget. If you look at unfunded mandates, and Ms. Daring just said

878
01:18:27,550 --> 01:18:34,950
his budget went up 7%, unfunded mandates are over 6% of that. So that's what you have to keep

879
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:38,590
in the account when you're having this conversation as well. Commissioner champion, thank you.

880
01:18:39,010 --> 01:18:44,490
So I want to clarify that when we put these numbers up, we need to separate

881
01:18:45,410 --> 01:18:49,350
They're enterprise funds that come in, like for example the tax collector we've paid nothing

882
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:53,610
None of your taxes are going to it. It's going there. They work on revenue

883
01:18:53,610 --> 01:18:57,670
So that line should be stricken. It has nothing to do anything, right? If actually gives us money back

884
01:18:57,670 --> 01:19:02,150
So actually helps them out helps a budget in the year. The clerk's house does it. It's not completely funded

885
01:19:02,150 --> 01:19:09,170
But they do bring in revenue. So this property pays are very little the surprise elections is 100% tax funded because we got to have elections

886
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:12,450
It just what happens this year, you know, we don't have that special election

887
01:19:12,450 --> 01:19:14,070
So it's gonna be reduced. That's a good thing

888
01:19:14,670 --> 01:19:20,610
But the sheriff's office is 100% you know, avalorum, I mean it's coming from, I shouldn't say that, there is some

889
01:19:20,610 --> 01:19:25,850
propped shared revenue with sales taxes and things like that, and there's some of that that comes in as well.

890
01:19:26,290 --> 01:19:31,170
But you know, it's kind of disingenuous to put like tax collector up there, okay, she's 2.39%.

891
01:19:31,170 --> 01:19:34,190
Well, she works on 100% revenue, it does not come from your taxes.

892
01:19:34,710 --> 01:19:38,810
I mean, unless you count your paying sales tax under a vehicle and stuff like that, which it is a tax.

893
01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:41,910
It's just a different form of tax. It's not the same, they're the same lover.

894
01:19:44,510 --> 01:19:51,210
I'll just say, the reason that is up there is, chapter 129 requires it to be part of this presentation.

895
01:19:51,610 --> 01:19:53,250
I don't think it's part of the tax discussion.

896
01:19:53,390 --> 01:19:56,330
I understand you point, yeah.

897
01:19:56,610 --> 01:19:56,810
Okay.

898
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:59,730
Thank you.

899
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:29,320
My question was going to be, do we know in those budgets what percentage are new mandates that were added? That was where I was going to get out of it. And it becomes difficult, but we do have to figure that out, right? Because if we want to, let's just make it as elementary as possible. If we want to keep services the same, but we're mandated with increased costs in certain budgets. How do we make that happen, right? If the cost goes up.

900
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:36,680
And so I was just curious, I think the last I heard from the sheriff, it was like set around 2.1% was FRS increases.

901
01:20:37,700 --> 01:20:44,720
And to be clear, when I say first responders, I'm including sheriff's department in that conversation.

902
01:20:44,980 --> 01:20:52,140
And frankly, I think our detention officers are they part of those high risk as well, they can say high risk, if they're going up as well.

903
01:20:52,440 --> 01:20:57,540
And 9-1-1 operators, sometimes, I'm not sure if they were in the latest.

904
01:20:57,540 --> 01:21:02,520
Yeah, I think it was a move, I can't, could I check with the sheriff on, I'm not sure, okay, I believe so.

905
01:21:02,860 --> 01:21:07,340
I think it was a move that they wanted to talk, that should be, that's a really tough job too, the stuff that they have to listen to.

906
01:21:07,700 --> 01:21:11,980
I wouldn't want to have to rehearse those in my head at night trying to sleep so, okay, thank you.

907
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:19,210
This is a breakdown from the Sheriff's Office budget.

908
01:21:19,970 --> 01:21:25,670
So these are the different categories that are turned in, so you can see the difference between law enforcement,

909
01:21:26,150 --> 01:21:30,070
the detention center, the courthouse security, and then animal services.

910
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:35,550
And again, that is the adopted budget and the budget request.

911
01:21:36,030 --> 01:21:43,590
So it is slightly different because they received an amendment during the middle of the year to add body-worn cameras.

912
01:21:45,250 --> 01:21:46,810
Man, yes, sir.

913
01:21:47,310 --> 01:21:49,670
And that was one of the unfunded mandates that I was bringing up.

914
01:21:49,730 --> 01:21:53,490
Courthouse Security, the state tells us what we've got to have there, right?

915
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:59,390
So they add more staff because of the court system having to grow.

916
01:21:59,390 --> 01:22:03,870
So again, we have no choice but to fund that, and that becomes challenging.

917
01:22:03,890 --> 01:22:11,030
And it's interesting that it comes out of the sheriff budget, but I guess because he has to provide the deputies.

918
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:12,030
The bailiffs.

919
01:22:12,550 --> 01:22:19,190
Yeah, I think he's a part of the security law enforcement officer of the county where he's in charge of safety and security.

920
01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:22,550
Well, the jail is our responsibility, we just, we've ponded off to the sheriff.

921
01:22:23,230 --> 01:22:28,210
So I mean, I mean, yes, you could not use the law enforcement officer the better.

922
01:22:28,210 --> 01:22:29,870
And you touched me, you wanted that way.

923
01:22:29,950 --> 01:22:33,130
There's only one private one left in the state, and that one's not doing real well.

924
01:22:33,390 --> 01:22:36,350
And he's the best at providing security at the courthouse, right?

925
01:22:36,430 --> 01:22:39,550
Why would you have someone that's not in the law for some of this is doing, right?

926
01:22:39,730 --> 01:22:41,070
That's why we do separate it, right?

927
01:22:41,210 --> 01:22:43,530
So we make sure we separate that from him.

928
01:22:44,210 --> 01:22:45,450
It would be the best to run it, right?

929
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:50,170
Well, what I would say right now, but I just want to, it's just strange that it has to go anyway.

930
01:22:50,450 --> 01:22:51,270
It's probably a law, no.

931
01:22:51,550 --> 01:22:54,250
And as I said, it's part of the Article 5 funding unfunded mandate.

932
01:22:54,250 --> 01:22:58,790
Hopefully it's all the courthouses, computers, all of the state attorneys off the tech services,

933
01:22:59,810 --> 01:23:07,830
property, public defender, all of those things, the state has required us to fund with no funds to do it.

934
01:23:09,010 --> 01:23:10,790
And they all work hard too, it's by the way.

935
01:23:11,670 --> 01:23:17,930
Well, just continue that conversation, I believe, if you look at the sheriff's office budget.

936
01:23:17,930 --> 01:23:26,170
There's an unfunded mandate for a position for a bail-up in this calendar year, so that would add to that number.

937
01:23:26,550 --> 01:23:34,150
To the point of Commissioner O'Locko, the operation of the jail is this board's responsibility.

938
01:23:34,970 --> 01:23:40,970
And the sheriff has graciously taking on that responsibility on our behalf.

939
01:23:41,730 --> 01:23:45,430
Animal Services is also our responsibility to share if it's taken that.

940
01:23:46,430 --> 01:23:53,690
Animal Controls, our responsibility to share if it's taken that, crossing guards is our responsibility to share if it's taken that.

941
01:23:54,410 --> 01:24:00,590
So when you see the sheriff's budget and people increasing, all of that has something to do with it.

942
01:24:01,050 --> 01:24:02,250
Commissioner Champion, thank you.

943
01:24:03,630 --> 01:24:06,150
Any crime is too much crime, I think we could all agree with that.

944
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:09,690
We don't want crime in our community, especially by that crime, nobody would want that.

945
01:24:09,690 --> 01:24:12,830
So, one murder is too much, one assault is too much, et cetera.

946
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:18,750
Having said that though, that in our president talks about it all the time, so it was our governor, and the numbers are the numbers.

947
01:24:18,910 --> 01:24:22,010
So, Florida is down 8.7% by the crime.

948
01:24:22,490 --> 01:24:23,030
Those are their numbers.

949
01:24:23,550 --> 01:24:24,470
Down it was 10%.

950
01:24:24,890 --> 01:24:25,750
Technology is helping.

951
01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:29,850
There's a lot of things helping around the, you know, to affect crime is a good thing.

952
01:24:31,210 --> 01:24:36,290
This naturally, property crimes down 9.3%, violent crimes down 12.4%.

953
01:24:36,290 --> 01:24:41,250
So, hearing those numbers, why is there a double digit increase every single year?

954
01:24:41,970 --> 01:24:49,170
And we also, we're law enforcement, we're all Republicans up here, and we all swear an oath at a Constitution, and you know what, I think we all attend to a buy by that.

955
01:24:49,670 --> 01:24:53,310
But at the same time, there's not an unlimited sky of revenue.

956
01:24:53,890 --> 01:24:57,850
You can't keep going up and up and up forever, and in business, you would never do that.

957
01:24:57,850 --> 01:24:59,970
So obviously with a new law.

958
01:25:00,020 --> 01:25:30,000
All we can't touch, we can't go lower if they say this thing passes, we can't go lower and reduce this budget. That's kind of built in. And there's a lot of safeguards built in to make sure counties don't go strict, first responders away, which is a good thing. But at the same time, do you keep increasing double digits? And that's a real question, you know, that you've got to look at and say, okay, but again, you go back to what I say is one crime too much. There was an ugly crime that was supported today, and then involved a former police officer doing things that little kids had just got arrested last night.

959
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:35,740
night right around the corner, five super felony counts of touching a step

960
01:25:35,740 --> 01:25:40,160
daughter looks like under 12 years old sick you know I mean that kind of

961
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:45,400
stuff is like one of those is too much that is not that's not good you know I mean

962
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:48,520
so so of course we got to have law enforcement of course we got to have we got to

963
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:53,000
protect the kids etc but but again you got to look at it say do we increase when

964
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,240
the primates now or did we say the same I don't know I don't know what that

965
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:59,200
answer is I guess I'll determine that today or another day this is just

966
01:26:03,660 --> 01:26:13,680
It's a very good conversation, I just wanted to see if I could clarify, because I thought, with the referendum, it said we couldn't go below 20, 24, 25.

967
01:26:15,540 --> 01:26:18,620
I believe it's going back a couple of years with it.

968
01:26:18,820 --> 01:26:19,580
I believe that is correct.

969
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:23,160
Okay, so you could go back two fiscal years back.

970
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,720
Which I mean, can be significant when you look at these numbers.

971
01:26:27,140 --> 01:26:38,940
I just wanted to make sure, because I thought that's within that, I didn't know if that was one of the things they took away at the last minute like the trust fund that was supposed to help the counties, so I didn't know if that was changed or not.

972
01:26:38,940 --> 01:26:43,120
We need to follow up and a lot changed. I didn't see that in it, but there's a there's some

973
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:49,680
Anytime a loss pass was like, you know, there's imposing bills that have to pass the fight out. Oh, yes

974
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:54,140
So that's how it and so I haven't seen that yet, but it might be in there. I'm not sure. Okay. Thank you

975
01:26:54,140 --> 01:26:59,340
We can cover that you can't make changes to this sheriff's budget today. Yeah, you can't make it the first

976
01:27:01,060 --> 01:27:03,220
Get that information for you though for the public hearing

977
01:27:04,100 --> 01:27:06,420
Just for the benefit of this board and the public

978
01:27:06,420 --> 01:27:12,840
Like telecommunications, our dispatchers are not in the high-risk FRS, but forensics is.

979
01:27:13,180 --> 01:27:13,320
Okay.

980
01:27:13,980 --> 01:27:21,160
Another thing, so I just stated somewhere around the 6% number of the 7% increase is coming

981
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:30,940
from unfunded mandates on the Sheriff Office budget, and then the other is made up mostly of body

982
01:27:30,940 --> 01:27:31,520
warrant cameras.

983
01:27:35,350 --> 01:27:35,670
Yes, ma'am?

984
01:27:35,670 --> 01:27:36,590
The

985
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:43,960
next key slides go over the funds in particular that are receiving at the loan dollars.

986
01:27:44,620 --> 01:27:45,860
So the first is the general fund.

987
01:27:46,540 --> 01:27:52,800
You'll see the fiscal year 26 adopted budget, the fiscal year 27 budget request, and then

988
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:54,680
that percentage increase or decrease.

989
01:27:55,860 --> 01:27:59,400
Obviously, like we discussed earlier, there are other revenue sources within the general

990
01:27:59,400 --> 01:27:59,720
fund.

991
01:28:00,340 --> 01:28:05,320
That first line has both the county and the constitutional's included in the total.

992
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:14,260
The second line has just general fund without constitutional and that is the 9.72% decrease administration

993
01:28:14,260 --> 01:28:19,460
Rogers mentioned earlier in the presentation there is a little note at the bottom just

994
01:28:19,460 --> 01:28:24,540
to let everyone know this also includes grant budgets it does not currently include cash

995
01:28:24,540 --> 01:28:30,660
carry forward that will come in September and final state revenue estimates are pending.

996
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:41,400
Aaron, who comments, when one request, I think in all this we got a lot of things changes, but the total county budget, I don't think you put that on a slide.

997
01:28:43,980 --> 01:28:48,180
And the total budget for the whole county, because this is a general fund, right?

998
01:28:48,900 --> 01:28:52,380
And so that went down, right, for the total budget for the county went.

999
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:52,760
Yes.

1000
01:28:53,420 --> 01:28:57,580
And if you can look those on and up and tell us those numbers, it's in the budget.

1001
01:28:57,720 --> 01:28:58,780
Obviously it's in the budget of people.

1002
01:28:58,940 --> 01:28:59,260
Why did you work?

1003
01:28:59,260 --> 01:29:00,140
I have it down there.

1004
01:29:00,300 --> 01:29:01,180
I can get it for you.

1005
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:01,540
Okay.

1006
01:29:01,820 --> 01:29:02,680
Do you want to know?

1007
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:03,960
Yeah, I'd like to see that number.

1008
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:04,480
Okay.

1009
01:29:04,480 --> 01:29:07,120
I can tell you we're down on your main dollars.

1010
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:08,540
The total budget.

1011
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:12,180
Then the board, the general fund, I came to you about a month

1012
01:29:12,180 --> 01:29:13,200
and a month ago, right?

1013
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,100
And so two month ago, you gave you a preliminary, after I had

1014
01:29:16,100 --> 01:29:16,740
everything in June.

1015
01:29:17,460 --> 01:29:19,120
I was up six percent.

1016
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:21,700
Ten main deficit.

1017
01:29:22,380 --> 01:29:23,580
Why we are here today.

1018
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:24,200
Why?

1019
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:25,700
The revenue's added.

1020
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:26,760
It's expensive to cut.

1021
01:29:26,820 --> 01:29:28,260
But we got it close to being flat.

1022
01:29:28,260 --> 01:29:33,000
And then you can see the general fund going significantly down on the county side.

1023
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:36,040
We did, I hope to see we can still do more.

1024
01:29:36,620 --> 01:29:41,440
We've went through the, you have the line-on review of all the departments.

1025
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:54,480
You can see the changes in operations, we would love things and remove as much as things we could to kind of basically remove, we do see general fund and setting it up for the future, right?

1026
01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:59,700
So we're going to have, we need to have the government's size of the government needs to decrease.

1027
01:30:01,110 --> 01:30:27,810
And so this is an effort by myself and directed to my staff to try to minimize the size of the county government within, without minimizing the impact on the citizens. It's a tough thing for me to do. But that is, that was my attempt to do that is that's why that significant decrease. And then obviously in there there's a lot of maintenance deferred capital projects also deferred.

1028
01:30:27,810 --> 01:30:31,430
And then some operational things are getting reduced, obviously,

1029
01:30:31,590 --> 01:30:33,430
library and code enforcement in parks, but I'll.

1030
01:30:34,110 --> 01:30:34,930
Thank you.

1031
01:30:35,150 --> 01:30:35,830
Chair again.

1032
01:30:36,650 --> 01:30:37,450
Commissioner Acko.

1033
01:30:38,490 --> 01:30:43,170
Just a question, because I'm looking at the description underneath this table,

1034
01:30:43,170 --> 01:30:44,910
says includes grant budgets.

1035
01:30:45,950 --> 01:30:48,750
If we were, I mean, grants are a good thing, right?

1036
01:30:48,830 --> 01:30:51,090
We don't want the county to stop looking for grants, right?

1037
01:30:51,170 --> 01:30:53,530
Because that's money that we don't have to pay things with.

1038
01:30:54,010 --> 01:30:55,190
From the taxes.

1039
01:30:55,190 --> 01:31:05,830
Can you tell us what that general fund looks like if you remove the grants so that, I mean, most people are upset about what's coming out of their tax role, right?

1040
01:31:05,970 --> 01:31:10,110
I mean, when they get taxed on their homes or their properties, that's what we're talking about.

1041
01:31:10,510 --> 01:31:19,990
And I'm just curious what the difference looks like if you pulled out those grants from that, because, again, I'm just trying to figure, because I don't want to discourage the staff from looking for grants.

1042
01:31:22,450 --> 01:31:26,790
If you want to explain how to count and grants worth an accounting, you do it because you're

1043
01:31:26,790 --> 01:31:26,910
any.

1044
01:31:27,050 --> 01:31:31,950
I know it makes it more confusing, but I don't want us to not be looking for grants because

1045
01:31:31,950 --> 01:31:32,970
that helps offset the cost.

1046
01:31:33,330 --> 01:31:40,530
So right now looking at this, when I looked at the revenue and expenses, it was slightly

1047
01:31:40,530 --> 01:31:44,850
over $11 million that was coming in and being expense for grants.

1048
01:31:45,790 --> 01:31:49,130
If you want in September, I can bring you a total list of every grants.

1049
01:31:49,290 --> 01:31:50,750
It would just be helpful.

1050
01:31:50,750 --> 01:32:07,450
Because again, you know, and if we do have, you know, safe for instance, you talk about $11 million in grants and it costs the $50,000 or $70,000 in employees for us to be able to use those grants that, you know, we're looking at, you know, it's like it's dollar for dollar, that makes a lot of sense.

1051
01:32:07,450 --> 01:32:19,350
It's not something we want to cut out, right? Because every time we can get a grant and we can use it to help do something in the county, that's another thing that we're doing that's not being subsidized by the people who are being taxed.

1052
01:32:19,350 --> 01:32:24,070
So, if that's possible, I know you guys are going to be really busy, but I think that would just be helpful for us to understand.

1053
01:32:24,270 --> 01:32:25,490
Yes, we can bring it all us.

1054
01:32:25,710 --> 01:32:31,130
And Aaron, you can correct me if I'm near the expert financial officers, but my understanding,

1055
01:32:31,290 --> 01:32:35,190
I mean, when you get the grant revenue comes in, right, you get the grant coming in.

1056
01:32:35,350 --> 01:32:37,070
Look, we just got 13 million, right?

1057
01:32:37,290 --> 01:32:43,770
So, that 13 million is going to come into the county, but it's also offsetting expense to it, right?

1058
01:32:43,890 --> 01:32:48,230
So, these grants come in, but you have a revenue, and you also have the expenditure that you're spending it on, right?

1059
01:32:48,230 --> 01:32:57,290
So they were all budgeted, you know, in fact, the best way I think to take him, you know, to why maybe you have those out of this is because all those grants are the relevant and expensive.

1060
01:32:58,050 --> 01:33:03,610
So, you know, all of those that 11 million, the revenue and expenditures are included in that right now.

1061
01:33:03,810 --> 01:33:07,910
Because they're part of the Gemma fund when they come in, that's where they're put.

1062
01:33:08,410 --> 01:33:11,990
But he's correct. Obviously, you all see those resolutions when they come forward.

1063
01:33:11,990 --> 01:33:19,690
They have the revenue. They have the expense. Here's where we're going to expend it and it offsets but the public sees that.

1064
01:33:19,910 --> 01:33:21,510
Yeah, so they need to understand it.

1065
01:33:21,510 --> 01:33:29,410
And I think that's also why there is, if you want, and I can provide you a list as well, like we were talking about earlier,

1066
01:33:29,590 --> 01:33:38,390
there are other revenue sources in there that like opioid that we get maybe not considered a grant, but can only be spent on certain activities.

1067
01:33:38,390 --> 01:33:44,270
Technically, I mean, it's an award that we got from a court, it kind of functions the same way as a grant.

1068
01:33:44,310 --> 01:33:45,490
It does function the same way.

1069
01:33:45,490 --> 01:33:56,010
Like I said, I think it's important for the board as well as the community to know that we're working hard to get grants and funds from other sources, but they are being counted in that.

1070
01:33:56,250 --> 01:33:56,450
There.

1071
01:33:56,670 --> 01:33:58,270
And I think it's important for them to see that.

1072
01:33:58,270 --> 01:34:07,910
Yeah, so I will do a list of all of the various funding as earlier, but detailed and then the expenditures and then you can see what's in there.

1073
01:34:08,790 --> 01:34:14,710
That's really not per se a part of maybe what is considered general fund tax dollars, tax dollars.

1074
01:34:14,950 --> 01:34:18,130
It's all part of the budget. The budgets in government are a little different, right?

1075
01:34:18,210 --> 01:34:23,670
I mean, if somebody gives you, you know, you get a card for your birthday with some money in it, you don't usually edit to your income.

1076
01:34:23,670 --> 01:34:26,090
But you would have to do it here, right?

1077
01:34:26,250 --> 01:34:27,870
It's just the way it works in government accounting.

1078
01:34:28,050 --> 01:34:29,850
I know it's kind of an elementary way to look at it,

1079
01:34:29,890 --> 01:34:31,270
but that's the reality, right?

1080
01:34:31,610 --> 01:34:33,770
So every time we get money from another source,

1081
01:34:33,970 --> 01:34:35,530
it still goes into our budget,

1082
01:34:35,850 --> 01:34:38,930
and it still gets, you know, the budget is this high.

1083
01:34:39,050 --> 01:34:40,650
Yeah, it is, but look how much of it

1084
01:34:40,650 --> 01:34:41,790
we're getting in grants, right?

1085
01:34:41,930 --> 01:34:43,450
Or, you know, a birthday card money.

1086
01:34:44,130 --> 01:34:44,510
Or a birthday card.

1087
01:34:44,830 --> 01:34:45,130
I love it.

1088
01:34:45,810 --> 01:34:48,010
Thank you so much for your champion.

1089
01:34:48,630 --> 01:34:48,870
It's a great energy.

1090
01:34:48,870 --> 01:34:49,710
Thank you.

1091
01:34:49,790 --> 01:34:52,930
I got some clarification on what we can't do.

1092
01:34:52,930 --> 01:34:58,770
and I'd ask Joban to correct me if I'm wrong, but first off fire because we have a separate

1093
01:34:58,770 --> 01:34:59,550
T. W.

1094
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:29,960
Let's just say, it is not affected. Right now, we can lower, we can cut it or raise it at will. We know right now, so it really does not matter. This, this, this, actually, wrote none. However, on the sheriff's budget, the law specifically says that the budget for 25, 26, and the one we're doing right now, 26, 27, whichever one is larger, that's the minimum. Okay. So we're setting a budget. So if we approve a 10% increase, you're stuck with that when the, when the tax cut comes. You have to give them that, that, that,

1095
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:38,240
whatever the budget is, but it's only for the law enforcement portion, it's not for detention, it's not for animal services, it's not for any of those other things.

1096
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:44,300
And Joe, but you could look that up and see if I'm correct on that, but that's what I'm reading about the law, if it passes.

1097
01:35:44,620 --> 01:35:49,840
I believe that it's correct, and I think the one thing I would add to that is that, remember you don't have.

1098
01:35:51,180 --> 01:35:55,560
The sheriff's office is divided into three, four because we have animal services, silos of money.

1099
01:35:56,680 --> 01:36:01,800
And there's no restraints on the sheriff moving money between them.

1100
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:07,480
So he could assign all of it to law enforcement and then move it around as he sees fit.

1101
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:10,740
So that part is a little illusory.

1102
01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:12,200
I got to follow up to you, Chair.

1103
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:12,860
Yes, sir.

1104
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:13,300
Thank you.

1105
01:36:13,620 --> 01:36:19,240
The other thing, and this wasn't popular before, and I actually voted against it years ago, and I kind of regret it.

1106
01:36:19,300 --> 01:36:20,060
I was a deciding vote.

1107
01:36:20,460 --> 01:36:25,000
There was a sheriff's MS to you that came forward, which means you'd have his own taxing line.

1108
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:28,500
on your bill, just for law enforcement, for deputies, et cetera.

1109
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:32,160
And it would show that, that, that TU meaning that there's a separate,

1110
01:36:32,260 --> 01:36:35,020
separate, when you vote, you say, okay, is it going up or down on that line?

1111
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:36,520
And you choose whether you like that or not.

1112
01:36:37,020 --> 01:36:38,640
You know, do you like that line going up or down?

1113
01:36:38,860 --> 01:36:42,000
And maybe it's okay, maybe not, you know, and most of us are going to be, yeah,

1114
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:44,040
check mark, we want more law enforcement officers, right?

1115
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:48,080
But if we move that, and maybe this sheriff would change his mind because he was against it,

1116
01:36:48,340 --> 01:36:51,240
but if we move to a TU, it would not affect it.

1117
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:54,980
We can raise it at will or lower it at will at any time we want.

1118
01:36:55,220 --> 01:36:56,760
So that might be something that you have to look into.

1119
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:58,880
Kind of like what we're talking about with the live race and all the things.

1120
01:36:59,020 --> 01:37:03,700
So there is definitely things that we could do because I think that every single

1121
01:37:03,700 --> 01:37:05,340
constitutional should be accountable for their budget.

1122
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:06,840
Not just the county commission.

1123
01:37:07,020 --> 01:37:08,300
Now, we have their final say.

1124
01:37:08,420 --> 01:37:10,720
That's what we signed up to get beat up like John Locke said.

1125
01:37:11,100 --> 01:37:14,200
You know, they come at us and say, you're damn if you do, damn if you don't.

1126
01:37:14,260 --> 01:37:15,420
If you raise taxes, you're terrible.

1127
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:17,480
If you cut a budget, you must be anti police.

1128
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:20,020
You know, I mean, that's got what we deal with, but that's what we,

1129
01:37:20,020 --> 01:37:24,100
That's what we signed up for, but at the same time, of course we care about all these

1130
01:37:24,100 --> 01:37:26,960
programs, we care about the libraries, we care about fire, we care about cops, we care

1131
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:30,040
about all this stuff, but there's only so much money, so where does it go?

1132
01:37:30,460 --> 01:37:34,880
Now, this is kind of concerning this law, and if it passes, which I think it will, we have

1133
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:39,800
to consider that going forward, and if we adopt a budget with a temperature increase, we're

1134
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:41,560
stuck with that temperature increase, forever.

1135
01:37:42,420 --> 01:37:46,040
The law says that constitutional amendments and the constitution, you cannot go lower than

1136
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:46,200
that.

1137
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:47,220
That's what I'm reading.

1138
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:49,820
You know, so there's going to be some decisions to make.

1139
01:37:49,900 --> 01:37:50,620
That's not going to be made today.

1140
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:51,980
We're going to only talk about the military.

1141
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:54,520
It's not going to be made today, but the future meeting is coming up.

1142
01:37:54,580 --> 01:37:56,020
We're going to have to have some conversation.

1143
01:37:56,380 --> 01:37:59,260
And maybe the sheriff comes back and says, hey, the TU is there.

1144
01:37:59,580 --> 01:37:59,700
Yep.

1145
01:38:00,140 --> 01:38:02,040
And we may vote that in next year and put it on the TU.

1146
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:04,420
And therefore, he can control his budget better.

1147
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:07,140
Where it doesn't have to be affected by property taxes.

1148
01:38:07,140 --> 01:38:10,580
And he can be accountable to you saying, okay, I need to raise it 15%.

1149
01:38:10,580 --> 01:38:11,160
Yep.

1150
01:38:11,260 --> 01:38:12,600
And you could choose whether that's good or not.

1151
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:16,380
When you go to the ballot box, and you say, do I want this sheriff?

1152
01:38:16,380 --> 01:38:25,560
for that one somebody else just like you do for us you can come in there and you say do I want him here or do I not want him there that's you you put us there it will so thank you thank you

1153
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:35,000
So Mr. Rochester's question the budget for fiscal year 26 the adopted budget versus the

1154
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:41,800
budget for fiscal year 27 that we're presenting is a reduction of a hundred and twenty eight million five hundred fifty three thousand

1155
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:49,220
than $27. That is the entire budget. So that is every department, every fund, a big portion

1156
01:38:49,220 --> 01:38:57,080
of that has to do with a utilities project, approximately $100 million that was budgeted

1157
01:38:57,080 --> 01:39:02,800
in this current year. They have issued a purchase order for that project. And so when we

1158
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:08,900
do the PO role, coming November, it will be in that and it will add to the budget.

1159
01:39:08,900 --> 01:39:15,360
But even with that, it's still 28, it's 128 million down, so it'd be $28 million down.

1160
01:39:15,540 --> 01:39:21,300
So with the water cleaning plan that we did, the water cleaning plan coming forward in the future,

1161
01:39:22,020 --> 01:39:29,720
the overall budget for last year, to this year for Hernando County currently is down 128 million.

1162
01:39:30,180 --> 01:39:34,800
But for all transparency, we think that other projects that come forward in the future next year.

1163
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:39,140
Because budgets, they're really, they're here today, it changes tomorrow, right?

1164
01:39:39,260 --> 01:39:40,400
Like you're housing budget, right?

1165
01:39:40,500 --> 01:39:47,040
And it asks the budget of your finances, but we think it's a, we're all at the $28,000 decrease, and you're over all budget from last year to this year for the county.

1166
01:39:47,540 --> 01:39:47,800
Thank you.

1167
01:39:49,380 --> 01:39:50,320
Can I share a lock out?

1168
01:39:50,820 --> 01:39:51,120
Thank you.

1169
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:59,680
I would say, I would, they say, I would say 98% of all statistics are made up on the spot, right?

1170
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:10,700
So, I'm going to guess, I think the statistics are probably 95% of the new homes that are going up in her hand, okay, maybe 90% are going to be on the utility system, okay?

1171
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:25,500
Because they're in defined communities. So, my question then would be, when we look at the total budget of the county, what percentage of the total budget of our county is the actual utility system, which is an enterprise fund?

1172
01:40:27,380 --> 01:40:28,200
I can grab that.

1173
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:29,000
Yeah, thank you.

1174
01:40:29,420 --> 01:40:32,040
It's kind of important, again, when you're looking at the total budget of a county,

1175
01:40:33,180 --> 01:40:37,960
when the utility system, even though it's not your app alarm taxis that are paying for

1176
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:43,240
that, it's a standalone system that works off of the subscribers to the system, so to speak.

1177
01:40:44,420 --> 01:40:45,040
Okay, clearly.

1178
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:53,180
Actually, let me see if I can pull this up, it might be easier for our, I think it's got to be close to 40%.

1179
01:40:53,180 --> 01:40:53,420
No,

1180
01:40:59,670 --> 01:41:04,610
can we have 26.9% we'll see what we get.

1181
01:41:04,690 --> 01:41:08,530
I mean every time you add one of these big projects in there, it bumps it up.

1182
01:41:08,590 --> 01:41:10,730
Well, yeah, so that project's out today.

1183
01:41:11,110 --> 01:41:13,210
Today is $26.9 I think. It's kind of neat.

1184
01:41:13,350 --> 01:41:14,350
No, it's just on page.

1185
01:41:20,440 --> 01:41:22,500
It's close to a third of the total budget.

1186
01:41:22,780 --> 01:41:24,200
Okay, 33% okay.

1187
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:25,420
I mean, it's close.

1188
01:41:26,180 --> 01:41:28,020
Yeah, it's a big deal.

1189
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:29,680
A lot of counties don't have it.

1190
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:31,200
Right, and you get.

1191
01:41:31,420 --> 01:41:37,240
And so, separately, there's utilities, there's this whole budget, the eight.

1192
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:39,600
So it's over 30%.

1193
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:43,720
And that's pretty much a part of that sheet at the beginning of the meeting.

1194
01:41:43,940 --> 01:41:50,680
By comparing these other counties and Clay County, you know, and they don't have the utility system in the board of county management budget.

1195
01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:57,440
It's a whole separate water and sewer district, different tax, different things, a lot of counties in that way, right?

1196
01:41:57,440 --> 01:41:59,320
And so things get developed, it's all different, right?

1197
01:41:59,740 --> 01:42:01,660
But then you compare the budget to ours and like, oh,

1198
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:05,720
we have utilities with it as our budget's under there.

1199
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:09,360
So it's just my friends and clay, but we know the better they are.

1200
01:42:09,740 --> 01:42:12,080
I may be an interesting opportunity in the future.

1201
01:42:12,780 --> 01:42:13,620
I mean, you don't have to, right?

1202
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:15,980
So the county doesn't have to oversee it.

1203
01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:16,880
You can't make a whole now.

1204
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:20,000
I'll tell you that it's a bad idea because you want to see

1205
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,280
the growth of government keep making small governments, right?

1206
01:42:22,380 --> 01:42:25,020
And so you have to have a director and a board of directors over there.

1207
01:42:25,020 --> 01:42:29,740
And so, the idea that we do here is combining things like the fire at the City of Bookter, right?

1208
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:34,460
It wasn't that the city, I mean, it was the fire, they probably couldn't afford it.

1209
01:42:34,500 --> 01:42:37,880
But it's a really good unification that you don't need two fire chiefs, right?

1210
01:42:38,220 --> 01:42:42,100
So one combined government, not having separate mosquito control districts in County.

1211
01:42:42,440 --> 01:42:43,980
We fund a mosquito control here, right?

1212
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:45,720
1.3 for more in dollars.

1213
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:50,860
Citrus and Pasco, separate mosquito control districts, separate small governments, right?

1214
01:42:50,860 --> 01:42:56,700
And these small, specific districts, they all have directors, and they all know finance people, HR people.

1215
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:04,040
And so in Citrus and Pasco, you know, we do a great job here on mosquitoes in Hurne County for like, just to remain the two men.

1216
01:43:04,580 --> 01:43:06,920
Citrus was some reason that's a $7 million program.

1217
01:43:06,940 --> 01:43:10,120
I guess they got bigger mosquitoes and Pasco is $37 million, right?

1218
01:43:10,620 --> 01:43:13,400
And so they all have helicopters and planes and we don't know any of that.

1219
01:43:13,480 --> 01:43:17,700
We have a truck, and we have a truck, you know, and that's what we have in a drone.

1220
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:20,160
And now I have a drone, but trying to figure out a flight.

1221
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:36,000
And citrus, they got a helicopter operator, and then by the way, helicopter is around, so we, so it's all relatively just looking, but be careful creating new governments because that's where the growth of government really is, you've got to put everything together and not have this duplication of administration, you don't need one of me everywhere, right?

1222
01:43:37,660 --> 01:43:38,580
Thank you sir.

1223
01:43:40,160 --> 01:44:00,160
I agree with Commissioner Lacko-San about separating the departments because it is an enterprise fund, you know, with utilities but I've been pretty critical and it's not because the staff is a staff is great, the utilities department I think you do a fantastic job, but overall, if you're forced to be on something that government makes you pay for, it's a tax deal.

1224
01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:05,920
They're making you be on their utility, they're making you do this, that I'm a proponent of keeping my septic tank in my will

1225
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:09,500
And I know that you've got to maintain those and are expensive. I get it, you know

1226
01:44:09,900 --> 01:44:11,060
Richelocco said that a bunch of times

1227
01:44:11,060 --> 01:44:16,480
But when they force you on what if it what if we and we raise the rates by the way, where are the ones that vote for this?

1228
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:21,800
So if you don't have a choice still attacks you still have to go not use you still want to be it

1229
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:23,080
We would need to be accountable to it

1230
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:28,920
So I've said a bunch of times if we decided tomorrow that your water bill is $500 guess what you be paying $500

1231
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:37,920
You would have a new choice, you know, so to me it's still important the whole almost billion dollar budget every dollar if it's forced on the person and

1232
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:41,920
They're made to pay it. It's a tax. That's my opinion. Thank you.

1233
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:48,720
Thank you, sir. I'm going to go back to the MSTU discussion for just a second attorney Joven.

1234
01:44:49,740 --> 01:44:57,760
So with the new legislation and the proposal of the increased home set exemption of a MSTU was passed.

1235
01:44:58,740 --> 01:44:59,820
as commission.

1236
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:17,940
Senator, a champion has suggested putting it on the ballot for the citizens to vote on. That would still be affected by that new legislation, right? Yes. And, what way? I mean, the assessed value of the homes would change. Right. So, yeah.

1237
01:45:20,940 --> 01:45:29,280
All property taxes are, I think I'll add the law and by value. Right. If some of you values go down, you would have rings taxes on everybody else. But if you go down,

1238
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:39,980
Yes, but I just wanted to bring that going up, so it would require us to find revenue somewhere else or raise that one significantly.

1239
01:45:40,980 --> 01:45:43,760
So I just want to make sure that everybody's aware of that.

1240
01:45:44,580 --> 01:45:45,260
The store.

1241
01:45:47,700 --> 01:45:49,280
Back to computer, please.

1242
01:45:57,620 --> 01:45:59,720
This is emergency medical services.

1243
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:06,740
Again, it shows the 26 adopted budget, the budget request for fiscal year 27 and a percent

1244
01:46:06,740 --> 01:46:07,380
decrease.

1245
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:09,680
It also includes grant budgets.

1246
01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:15,120
Several grants were completed and reserves were used to do their budget.

1247
01:46:19,900 --> 01:46:24,160
Transportation trusts, their adopted budget, their budget request.

1248
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:28,520
The percentage increase is 14.14%.

1249
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:32,040
They had an increase in their estimated fund balance.

1250
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:36,520
They also have other revenue sources into their fund.

1251
01:46:40,470 --> 01:46:46,470
Stormwater, their adopted budget, budget requests, it's a 10.85% decrease.

1252
01:46:47,610 --> 01:46:53,730
It's a decrease due to budgeted projects, so you will either see those projects increase

1253
01:46:53,730 --> 01:46:58,730
their budget, either during carry forward in September, if they have not issued purchase orders yet,

1254
01:46:59,090 --> 01:47:01,610
or you will see it in November when we do the PO roll.

1255
01:47:01,610 --> 01:47:03,270
it will add back into their budget.

1256
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:08,020
County Health or the Health Department,

1257
01:47:08,580 --> 01:47:11,200
their adopted budget requests,

1258
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:14,180
the percent increase at this 3.3%.

1259
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:16,240
It includes their reserves

1260
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:19,280
and some new CIP projects for them.

1261
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:22,660
And that is the end.

1262
01:47:31,710 --> 01:47:34,750
So commissioners, this point today,

1263
01:47:35,110 --> 01:47:36,790
as I mentioned at the beginning of the meeting

1264
01:47:36,790 --> 01:47:39,430
that the goal today is to present you the budget.

1265
01:47:39,430 --> 01:47:42,210
We've provided you an overview

1266
01:47:42,210 --> 01:48:12,190
the way the budget stands are provided you line in details of the departments and all the fees the goal today would be if there's any changes to the budget, we could I could go through those departments if it's a request that I could show each department areas or if there's any anything the board is as reviewed like they like to go today or you could set the max millage today and we would work towards September.

1267
01:48:12,190 --> 01:48:15,550
I remember where we had the budget hearings where we go in the detail of all the hearings if that's so.

1268
01:48:16,590 --> 01:48:35,670
So it's up to kind of the board direction on if there's any change or anything you want to change from the budget that they seem presented or if they would like me to go I can go through each department of Italy we have the data and documents and kind of talk about each one of the details that's if that's a desire also or we do that it's a public hearing in September.

1269
01:48:38,750 --> 01:48:43,790
Okay. All right. I think we're going to take a ten minute recess and then we'll come back.

1270
01:48:44,150 --> 01:48:49,610
There will be an opportunity for everyone that wants to speak to speak today when we come back

1271
01:48:49,610 --> 01:48:55,550
at some point. Again, we appreciate you being here. Just as a side note, I know, unfortunately,

1272
01:48:55,830 --> 01:49:00,250
some of the students that we had is so great to see young people in the audience. Thank you for being here.

1273
01:49:01,150 --> 01:49:10,010
But we have a special sticker for you if you would like that you'll just meet me over here during the break and we'll get that for you, okay?

1274
01:49:10,610 --> 01:49:14,910
All right, we'll be in recess for 10 minutes, we'll be back at 10.55.

1275
02:02:11,980 --> 02:02:12,360
And Sasha,

1276
02:02:21,130 --> 02:02:38,130
assistance, part of the roll that goes in, in fact, we talked about the roll that goes in effect next year, is an exercise required to be done for next year, about 10% cut from existing budget expenses.

1277
02:02:40,730 --> 02:02:49,990
Commissioner has kind of dragged me to look at this here, and I was doing that exercise this year. And doing that side is very helpful. I found, you may not have found, obviously we always go through all the expenses in the county.

1278
02:02:49,990 --> 02:02:52,430
and reducing a lot of the expenses in the county.

1279
02:02:52,690 --> 02:02:57,410
So I didn't make a slide for it because when we got done,

1280
02:02:57,870 --> 02:02:58,930
this is what ended up resulting.

1281
02:02:59,030 --> 02:03:00,310
So you can see that slide there.

1282
02:03:01,130 --> 02:03:03,130
The kind of decalms on the right hand side.

1283
02:03:03,370 --> 02:03:05,290
It's a fiscal year, $26 a doubt, the budget.

1284
02:03:05,790 --> 02:03:07,910
We did mention a minute ago, but I think I'll make sure

1285
02:03:07,910 --> 02:03:10,710
you're unaware that he's discussed being flat.

1286
02:03:10,870 --> 02:03:14,910
The county overall budget did end up being flat this year, right?

1287
02:03:15,030 --> 02:03:18,210
And so more or less in that, I did overall 10% cut,

1288
02:03:18,210 --> 02:03:26,230
which is, I think it's, we don't normally end up with that but it's 993, man, all 864, 13% cut at just time.

1289
02:03:26,430 --> 02:03:30,350
And so, I wanted to go through that process of the budget.

1290
02:03:30,470 --> 02:03:37,530
So, we did talk about, there is a big project in there, 100, man, which, which resolved in that.

1291
02:03:37,590 --> 02:03:45,110
But it would still be very close to a significant cut in operation and expenses in the county at this point.

1292
02:03:46,290 --> 02:03:47,710
Thank you, that's all I have.

1293
02:03:47,710 --> 02:03:52,990
All right, so we're going to go to the public before we do that, I wanted to get some clarification from Commissioner Champion.

1294
02:03:53,410 --> 02:03:57,270
You stated a little earlier when your position was being flat.

1295
02:03:57,850 --> 02:04:06,390
Can you just let the board know what your position is, is it flat as current budget proposed or is it rolled back flat?

1296
02:04:07,110 --> 02:04:08,290
Yes sir, you call me no?

1297
02:04:08,470 --> 02:04:08,750
Yes sir.

1298
02:04:10,010 --> 02:04:14,050
My vote will be for at least maintain, I'm not sure where anybody else is at.

1299
02:04:14,270 --> 02:04:16,170
If there's a reduction, I'm okay with that too.

1300
02:04:16,590 --> 02:04:22,090
But I think the responsible thing would be able to be flat, the same thing, that's rollback, and that's what the law is now.

1301
02:04:22,490 --> 02:04:29,190
The law is you start with rollback, you start with the exact same money you spent last year and any increase after that, we need 4 out of 5 votes.

1302
02:04:29,650 --> 02:04:35,230
Anything more than 10% we need 5 out of 5 votes, you know, so I do not plan on voting for any increase over rollback.

1303
02:04:35,230 --> 02:04:48,030
Okay, so just for clarification, you know, none of this is set in stone, but that would be eliminating rollback would be eliminating everything we talked about eliminating up here, right?

1304
02:04:48,290 --> 02:04:50,670
It would include all those eliminations.

1305
02:04:51,630 --> 02:04:58,410
Mr. Alaco, before we go to the public, I wanted to say, I want to thank everybody for your emails.

1306
02:05:00,020 --> 02:05:29,860
I tried to respond. I got to about 200 of them. If I got a canned response, if I got a canned email, you did get a canned response. But those who actually gave me, you know, a personalized email, I tried to give you a personalized email back until I got to about 200 of them. And so you guys did amazing job. And then we were here. I don't even know what we were here until six o'clock on Tuesday. And so, and I just kept seeing the email. There was no way I could catch up with all of them.

1307
02:05:29,860 --> 02:05:34,860
But very impressive, good, good job by all of you coming out and giving your opinions.

1308
02:05:35,860 --> 02:05:44,540
And 90, gosh, 99% of them were, you know, we're very kind even when there was a response, you know, and I appreciate that.

1309
02:05:44,680 --> 02:05:50,380
I think, you know, obviously we've heard you and the communities heard you and that's what you're supposed to do.

1310
02:05:50,740 --> 02:05:52,940
But I just wanted to commend you on that before you come up.

1311
02:05:53,540 --> 02:05:54,160
Thank you.

1312
02:05:54,160 --> 02:06:00,380
How am I going to Commissioner's campaign right after this, but I want to echo the same

1313
02:06:00,380 --> 02:06:00,820
sentiment.

1314
02:06:02,540 --> 02:06:07,960
Very organized, probably the most organized I've seen, and so you guys should be proud

1315
02:06:07,960 --> 02:06:08,420
of yourself.

1316
02:06:09,100 --> 02:06:12,480
For that, that's the way government is supposed to work, that's the way your local government

1317
02:06:12,480 --> 02:06:13,300
is supposed to work.

1318
02:06:13,780 --> 02:06:18,760
So I want to applaud you for that, and again we have heard you.

1319
02:06:19,300 --> 02:06:24,400
Before, you know, there was a QR code, I had never seen that when it comes to this kind

1320
02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:27,620
of thing, but that was very successful, obviously.

1321
02:06:28,900 --> 02:06:36,500
And so it was a lot of, I don't want to call on Can, but for lack of better term, you

1322
02:06:36,500 --> 02:06:42,300
know, there were emails that you could send very easily for your voice was heard.

1323
02:06:43,240 --> 02:06:50,400
And before the subject line was changed, I had close to 700 emails that I received.

1324
02:06:51,040 --> 02:06:56,740
And so it was probably well over a thousand, and so I just want to commend you as well.

1325
02:06:57,060 --> 02:07:02,460
I think this is the most organized, I've seen anybody, I know I hear conversations and

1326
02:07:02,460 --> 02:07:08,540
talk about some things in the past where people were very passionate about projects and

1327
02:07:08,540 --> 02:07:12,000
and whatnot where we had a lot of turnout for,

1328
02:07:12,120 --> 02:07:15,240
but I would love to see this same thing happen.

1329
02:07:15,380 --> 02:07:17,300
The next budget meeting in September

1330
02:07:17,750 --> 02:07:19,980
is where the real meat potatoes happens,

1331
02:07:20,230 --> 02:07:22,960
and that last budget meeting is when it's final.

1332
02:07:23,380 --> 02:07:26,080
So I would encourage you to please stay engaged

1333
02:07:26,790 --> 02:07:29,700
and advocate for what you care about.

1334
02:07:30,320 --> 02:07:33,100
That's important to Commissioner Champions Point.

1335
02:07:33,560 --> 02:07:37,340
I would love to see, we'll have a final budget hearing,

1336
02:07:37,340 --> 02:07:39,480
And I'll be 10 people in here.

1337
02:07:40,640 --> 02:07:43,280
You know, and people are get upset.

1338
02:07:43,560 --> 02:07:45,060
Well, you know, I didn't know this.

1339
02:07:45,720 --> 02:07:46,780
Nobody showed up.

1340
02:07:47,440 --> 02:07:48,500
You know, and we have those.

1341
02:07:48,760 --> 02:07:50,380
Everybody talks about a lot of people

1342
02:07:51,260 --> 02:07:52,780
having meetings in the evening.

1343
02:07:52,940 --> 02:07:55,120
We have those meetings in the evening, 501.

1344
02:07:56,280 --> 02:07:58,860
And so I know we all have busy lives.

1345
02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:01,800
Mom and dad both have to work in today's economy.

1346
02:08:01,960 --> 02:08:03,080
I understand all that.

1347
02:08:04,200 --> 02:08:06,760
But I would encourage you to please stay engaged.

1348
02:08:06,760 --> 02:08:09,960
advocate for what you believe, it does make a difference.

1349
02:08:10,360 --> 02:08:11,020
Commissioner Champion.

1350
02:08:11,400 --> 02:08:11,580
Thank you.

1351
02:08:12,240 --> 02:08:25,560
I just want to clarify what the Chairman said, and by the way, I appreciate all you guys coming out to and you know you're passionate about something you should, you should, you should say something, you know, and I am not set on like the Chairman said, well, I'm for those cuts.

1352
02:08:25,840 --> 02:08:26,660
That's what he put on there.

1353
02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:34,020
I didn't put it on there, you know, I'm talking about the administrator, you put it on there, you know, and I clarify that we're not cutting anything from fire.

1354
02:08:34,020 --> 02:08:43,700
We left it exactly the same. That was a new station. Those are new positions. So don't get confused by all that because we put all this government math out there and it's confusing to the public, right?

1355
02:08:44,100 --> 02:08:55,200
So if we decide to keep every library, I'm okay with that too, but we got cut off from somewhere. So you just shift it around. I am not advocating to cut the library if there's a choice.

1356
02:08:55,700 --> 02:08:57,000
There's a choice and there's a better choice.

1357
02:08:57,840 --> 02:09:01,020
We get here for me when you come up and you say, hey, why don't you cut from here instead?

1358
02:09:01,320 --> 02:09:02,160
Why don't you do this or that?

1359
02:09:02,700 --> 02:09:06,800
Well, listen, you know, but the bottom line is, it's not the environment to increase taxes.

1360
02:09:07,320 --> 02:09:08,360
And that's not what the public wants.

1361
02:09:08,820 --> 02:09:10,240
So I got to go with the majority of the public.

1362
02:09:10,360 --> 02:09:11,800
The majority of the public doesn't want their taxes increased.

1363
02:09:12,140 --> 02:09:13,640
So I'm saying, I'm going to stay flat.

1364
02:09:13,980 --> 02:09:18,580
I think it's responsible to actually cut this year knowing this probably going to happen.

1365
02:09:18,780 --> 02:09:22,160
I'm not going to do that right now because it's going to be, that's going to be chaos trying

1366
02:09:22,160 --> 02:09:22,480
to do that.

1367
02:09:22,540 --> 02:09:25,540
But if we can be flat and we can keep the budget exactly the same.

1368
02:09:25,540 --> 02:09:31,400
But you know some budgets are going up 10% and then you know this man's having to offset because you have to get a balanced budget

1369
02:09:31,400 --> 02:09:36,340
So so let's say the sheriff's office goes up 10% and we don't cut it, but we got a cut 10% for our budget

1370
02:09:37,220 --> 02:09:42,820
And then that's not raising it. That's cutting more than 10% so there's gonna be a balance and today we're not gonna solve all that

1371
02:09:42,820 --> 02:09:48,000
What we're gonna say is are we gonna increase the millage are we gonna do rollback are we gonna cut even more we're gonna

1372
02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:49,920
to give direction to staff and tell them what to do.

1373
02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:52,980
If the majority says, keep every library?

1374
02:09:53,700 --> 02:09:55,140
Fine, keep every library.

1375
02:09:55,560 --> 02:09:56,660
We've got to figure out where to get the money from.

1376
02:09:56,940 --> 02:09:57,140
Thank you.

1377
02:09:57,820 --> 02:09:59,820
Yeah, so let me just appreciate that, Commissioner.

1378
02:10:01,320 --> 02:10:28,780
So again, none of this is set in stone, but if we go to roll back, we're going to have to cut an additional $1.8 million out of our budget, right? It's got to come from somewhere. We just talked about all of the unfunded mandates and all of those things. So the government is going to shrink something has to go away, right? In order to continue to cut. So I just want to make sure that people, that's what people understand.

1379
02:10:28,780 --> 02:10:33,300
And as if we're doing that, then we're going to continue to cut.

1380
02:10:34,080 --> 02:10:35,000
Commissioner Amsler.

1381
02:10:35,560 --> 02:10:36,660
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1382
02:10:37,980 --> 02:10:41,040
I want to say a great job to the staff administration.

1383
02:10:41,260 --> 02:10:43,100
Great job, Aaron.

1384
02:10:43,780 --> 02:10:50,100
This is a great presentation today as way in depth, more than way more than last year, I believe.

1385
02:10:51,180 --> 02:10:52,280
So, great job.

1386
02:10:55,160 --> 02:11:06,700
My feelings so far on this, I've tried to do a lot of listening as we had this meeting since we're going into September when we have the really important two budget meetings.

1387
02:11:07,960 --> 02:11:21,900
So my thoughts so far is that with the trim notice going out that we hold the line on where we're at, so that then we can adopt final middle of trade for

1388
02:11:21,900 --> 02:11:23,600
fiscal year 27 in September.

1389
02:11:25,520 --> 02:11:29,820
I see that because I'm in support of the state ballot proposal in November.

1390
02:11:30,900 --> 02:11:32,060
I think it's going to pass.

1391
02:11:32,500 --> 02:11:33,800
I think we have to be proactive.

1392
02:11:34,180 --> 02:11:35,180
I think that's responsible.

1393
02:11:36,020 --> 02:11:39,080
If we have to find a lot of money, then we have to find a lot of money.

1394
02:11:39,680 --> 02:11:41,460
But that's what the people will decide.

1395
02:11:42,700 --> 02:11:46,600
And I think when people go to the ballot box, they're going to say, you know,

1396
02:11:46,600 --> 02:11:52,280
So, when was the last time that I could directly decide to lower my taxes?

1397
02:11:52,780 --> 02:11:55,300
So, it's a pretty, pretty big deal.

1398
02:11:55,780 --> 02:12:02,340
And I think when you look at the numbers post-COVID as government's grown in Florida, we've had

1399
02:12:02,340 --> 02:12:05,160
an influx of people, so we had an influx of property prices.

1400
02:12:06,300 --> 02:12:10,360
But just like the average household, you know, someone gets a new job, they make more money.

1401
02:12:11,040 --> 02:12:15,460
A lot of times, they end up spending that money because by default, they think, I need

1402
02:12:15,460 --> 02:12:20,880
this, you know, new car or this new item or this new fridge. So some of its human nature

1403
02:12:20,880 --> 02:12:26,480
and some of it are things we can't control, obviously. So that's not a dig at staff in

1404
02:12:26,480 --> 02:12:36,620
any way. So I think we should pull the line on the millage rate whether John legal describes

1405
02:12:36,620 --> 02:12:52,280
That is $930,138,713 or $5.889,1, but I'd also like to get feedback on the presentation we got today.

1406
02:12:52,380 --> 02:12:56,320
So a great job identifying 10% reductions.

1407
02:12:57,200 --> 02:13:05,340
I think the feedback I have on it is I'd like to see a revisitive that in September.

1408
02:13:08,020 --> 02:13:16,210
With specifically sustainable cuts, we're moving a lot of capital improvement projects around, we're closing a library.

1409
02:13:17,270 --> 02:13:34,890
We know we probably can't responsibly close that library long-term, I'm not a fan of it and texting the water utility, we don't have, you know, we don't really have the data and studies on how that would affect people's water bills in the next five years to even make the decision.

1410
02:13:34,890 --> 02:13:42,150
So I'd like to see the 10% identified in other ways as much as possible.

1411
02:13:43,270 --> 02:13:50,030
I know that's difficult, I know it's hard, but that's what I'm looking at is how do we

1412
02:13:50,030 --> 02:13:51,050
reduce costs.

1413
02:13:53,050 --> 02:14:01,130
And then I'd also like to find a way for us to actually include that 0.2 mills towards

1414
02:14:01,130 --> 02:14:07,550
road resurfacing in that plan because if we don't do it now, it's just never going to happen.

1415
02:14:08,930 --> 02:14:13,050
And if I was running for office this year, I would be talking about roads every day.

1416
02:14:13,850 --> 02:14:15,550
So why aren't we talking about it?

1417
02:14:15,610 --> 02:14:16,090
I wouldn't.

1418
02:14:16,270 --> 02:14:16,530
You know?

1419
02:14:16,930 --> 02:14:18,090
And I know you brought it up.

1420
02:14:18,270 --> 02:14:19,230
I know you brought it up.

1421
02:14:19,330 --> 02:14:25,030
Like we've talked to a lot of the length about roads, me and the administrator.

1422
02:14:25,410 --> 02:14:29,970
So I know it's very important to you, but those are my thoughts and feedback so far.

1423
02:14:30,590 --> 02:14:31,650
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1424
02:14:31,950 --> 02:14:32,410
Thank you, sir.

1425
02:14:32,810 --> 02:14:33,670
Commissioner Champagne.

1426
02:14:34,090 --> 02:14:35,430
I just want to clarify one more thing.

1427
02:14:36,370 --> 02:14:43,170
The government a lot of times, like, you know, I'm sick about us, or the state, federal, whatever, is doom and gloom.

1428
02:14:43,370 --> 02:14:46,490
It's like if we do this, of poor children, you know.

1429
02:14:46,810 --> 02:14:48,430
And I'm just going to give you a couple facts, right?

1430
02:14:48,890 --> 02:14:54,170
So in 2009, it's 2010, this government strength, 50% 50% was overnight.

1431
02:14:54,730 --> 02:14:55,610
Hernana County is still here.

1432
02:14:55,610 --> 02:14:59,830
You know the downturn it was painful jobs or laws buildings are half built

1433
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,980
It was a mess, right? Nobody was buying or selling anything, and there was no jobs. It was horrible. Hopefully, we'll never see that again. Hopefully, we stabilized the banks, and we'll never see that kind of downturn. You already see in a change in real estate now when there's 400% inventory sitting online. There's all kinds of reports on there with these new builds just sitting empty. Nobody's moving here because they're slowing down the moves because it's costing too much, returning to California. And that's why DeSantis is pushing to try to reduce the property taxes. And when they say, we'll be saying things like, okay, we hold the line.

1434
02:15:29,980 --> 02:15:33,900
We're going to have to close libraries. We've got to do all this stuff. I don't know if that's accurate because last year

1435
02:15:33,900 --> 02:15:39,180
Now, I'm going to do we vote rollback. We cut your taxes three percent. Did your life change?

1436
02:15:39,860 --> 02:15:47,680
Is it different? Did we close any libraries last year? We roll back minus three percent in the world continued on

1437
02:15:47,680 --> 02:15:54,540
But again, we got you gas lit. You're all here because you're they're going to close a library because we put it on a news report

1438
02:15:54,540 --> 02:15:59,520
And it may happen. I mean listen, that's part of the plan. So you have a right to be here and tell us how you don't like it

1439
02:15:59,520 --> 02:16:06,100
But again, this is all directed to hopefully change your mind and make you vote against the

1440
02:16:06,100 --> 02:16:06,840
tax cut for yourself.

1441
02:16:07,160 --> 02:16:08,040
That's what really is about.

1442
02:16:08,540 --> 02:16:09,720
And that's what's happening all over the state.

1443
02:16:10,140 --> 02:16:10,780
They want you to vote.

1444
02:16:10,880 --> 02:16:10,960
No.

1445
02:16:11,360 --> 02:16:14,540
They want you to say, I want to give you my tax money.

1446
02:16:14,760 --> 02:16:15,200
Give it to the government.

1447
02:16:15,300 --> 02:16:16,160
They'll do a better job with it.

1448
02:16:16,340 --> 02:16:17,260
They'll do a good job with the money.

1449
02:16:17,680 --> 02:16:19,340
And I just don't think people are going to vote for that.

1450
02:16:19,480 --> 02:16:19,900
I may be wrong.

1451
02:16:20,120 --> 02:16:21,200
Maybe they'll come in 58%.

1452
02:16:21,200 --> 02:16:21,560
I don't know.

1453
02:16:21,880 --> 02:16:22,740
We'll see what happens with that.

1454
02:16:22,860 --> 02:16:24,420
But responsibly, what do we do?

1455
02:16:24,980 --> 02:16:26,820
And all our proposing is flat.

1456
02:16:26,820 --> 02:16:30,620
Last year, we did flat minus 3%, we didn't close in libraries.

1457
02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:33,440
I'm just telling you that there is choices on everything.

1458
02:16:33,920 --> 02:16:34,160
Thank you.

1459
02:16:34,520 --> 02:16:35,260
Thank you.

1460
02:16:36,380 --> 02:16:41,600
Just to piggyback on that and all of that is, I believe accurate.

1461
02:16:42,960 --> 02:16:47,600
The only thing that's not included in that is,

1462
02:16:48,160 --> 02:16:51,240
I've been on this for three years, I've been through three budget cycles.

1463
02:16:52,140 --> 02:16:53,880
And every budget I can remember,

1464
02:16:54,980 --> 02:17:02,400
We have, instead of making cuts, i.e. library or something else, right, we've taken money

1465
02:17:02,400 --> 02:17:06,100
from reserves, right, including last year, we took money from reserves.

1466
02:17:07,320 --> 02:17:13,320
I believe we added nine positions in the general fund, and to do that took money from reserves,

1467
02:17:14,120 --> 02:17:14,400
right.

1468
02:17:15,020 --> 02:17:20,840
So, and then you fast forward, and you saw the list, the four items, body one cameras, and

1469
02:17:20,840 --> 02:17:28,480
see get hill, fire pump, the other two items on there that then additionally came out of reserves.

1470
02:17:29,440 --> 02:17:35,860
We don't have that piggy bank of reserves fall back on anymore, but that's why this year is different, right?

1471
02:17:36,420 --> 02:17:41,060
That's why this year is we can't pull money from the reserve.

1472
02:17:41,220 --> 02:17:46,980
We could, but the reserve is going to have to go significantly down and I'm not going to vote for that.

1473
02:17:47,600 --> 02:17:56,360
So, when it comes to September, because of the situation we're in currently, we have to have a unanimous vote on the budget.

1474
02:17:56,680 --> 02:17:57,860
All four of us have to agree.

1475
02:17:58,580 --> 02:18:04,500
I'm not voting to lower our reserves, I'm not voting in any way shape or form to do that.

1476
02:18:05,120 --> 02:18:08,420
I did not do that the first year, I voted no on the budget.

1477
02:18:09,180 --> 02:18:14,460
And we're going to talk about things, maybe we regret it, I wish I wouldn't have voted for the last two budgets.

1478
02:18:14,460 --> 02:18:23,920
It's because I fundamentally disagree with pulling money from our reserves over and over again instead of doing the hard work of cutting something, right?

1479
02:18:24,300 --> 02:18:29,460
It is hard, and I'm not in favor of the first thing we talk about is cutting the library.

1480
02:18:30,400 --> 02:18:37,060
But you just saw it and it's not, it's not people, is there some doom and gloom out there?

1481
02:18:37,060 --> 02:18:45,980
probably, right? But I don't see it from our staff. I don't see it from our board.

1482
02:18:46,740 --> 02:18:52,980
What I see is an education of $70 million are going to have to be cut from your budget,

1483
02:18:53,160 --> 02:18:59,080
from our budget, your taxpayer dollars. Something has to go, right?

1484
02:18:59,440 --> 02:19:04,300
$70 million, something has to go. That is the reality of it. That is not as

1485
02:19:04,940 --> 02:19:07,840
and any way shape or form, that's the fact.

1486
02:19:10,320 --> 02:19:14,280
So, you know, I get where Commissioner Champion is coming from,

1487
02:19:14,620 --> 02:19:18,400
and I get, you know, that there are people out there,

1488
02:19:18,800 --> 02:19:21,680
you know, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, all of those things.

1489
02:19:22,320 --> 02:19:25,040
But it's going to be very painful.

1490
02:19:25,700 --> 02:19:28,120
It is. Can we do it? Absolutely.

1491
02:19:28,860 --> 02:19:31,420
And if the people vote for it, are we going to do it?

1492
02:19:31,420 --> 02:19:36,500
absolutely right but that is the reality of it.

1493
02:19:36,860 --> 02:19:37,640
Commissioner Lacko.

1494
02:19:38,540 --> 02:19:41,980
Thank you. I appreciate you bringing up and listen we're all I think

1495
02:19:41,980 --> 02:19:47,520
I think there's a little bit of criss-crossing of ideas. I want to make sure we're understanding this right.

1496
02:19:48,160 --> 02:19:52,040
If we start at rollback that is a millage reduction correct.

1497
02:19:52,820 --> 02:19:54,720
And what is that millage reduction?

1498
02:19:56,220 --> 02:19:59,800
It's not this, we can't say we're going to keep flat on millage and then talk about them.

1499
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:29,980
Uh, um, and then talk about roll back. So I think it's important for us to make sure we're all talking about we're talking apples to apples to apples to oranges. I think it's three to eight. Right, but what I want to see what the millage reduction. So for all categories, the millage reduction would be point one, two, two, seven mills, totaling two million, three, nine, 86,000, two and our in 66 dollars. If you were just looking at general fund, um, millage reduction is point zero nine, two, two,

1500
02:20:29,980 --> 02:20:31,860
mills? Or, oh, sorry.

1501
02:20:32,120 --> 02:20:32,520
No, okay, so.

1502
02:20:32,960 --> 02:20:35,900
Or $1,793,103.

1503
02:20:36,280 --> 02:20:41,080
So, general fund we're talking about, little under one tenth of a mill would be rollback.

1504
02:20:41,460 --> 02:20:41,780
Yes.

1505
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:48,800
The reduction, okay. I just want to make sure, because, again, we've heard it both ways described and I just want to make sure I had it clarified from you.

1506
02:20:49,700 --> 02:20:56,260
And I think it's a good that we're having this discussion as we go into this because we did use reserves.

1507
02:20:56,260 --> 02:21:01,740
And you use the idea of talking about birthday card money for grants.

1508
02:21:01,740 --> 02:21:04,080
This is more like you went into your savings, right?

1509
02:21:04,380 --> 02:21:09,000
We use savings, so we don't have savings this year to provide all those services.

1510
02:21:09,540 --> 02:21:11,640
So there has to be an adjustment somewhere.

1511
02:21:12,100 --> 02:21:21,460
We can't get to the same place because the budget would not have those reserves in there that were there last year.

1512
02:21:21,520 --> 02:21:25,560
That supplemented the millage to get us to that dollar amount.

1513
02:21:26,620 --> 02:21:41,880
So the millage doesn't get us there, the millage plus 10 or so million in reserves got us to the service level we are this year, so we're going to have to figure out what do we adjust because we won't have that to do because I'm not going into reserves again either.

1514
02:21:42,400 --> 02:21:55,520
We just can't because we just don't know.

1515
02:21:55,520 --> 02:22:00,660
we're going to see it, so those are, you know, they give us with 7 out of the 21 million we got passed.

1516
02:22:01,000 --> 02:22:01,040
Yep.

1517
02:22:01,600 --> 02:22:12,120
Okay, so it's just not going to happen, and so we're just going to, we have to tighten our belts and figure out how to make this work, but this, we're going to make it work, we have to, it's, we're required to have a balanced budget.

1518
02:22:12,300 --> 02:22:12,620
We'll do it.

1519
02:22:12,860 --> 02:22:14,000
We'll do it no matter what happens.

1520
02:22:14,160 --> 02:22:19,020
We'll do it no matter what happens in November, but we have to provide a balanced budget.

1521
02:22:19,220 --> 02:22:19,980
There's no way around it.

1522
02:22:20,400 --> 02:22:20,800
Thank you.

1523
02:22:20,800 --> 02:22:26,240
Yes, sir. Thank you. Commissioners, champion. Thank you. Just want to clarify a few things there. They're right about a lot of these things

1524
02:22:26,840 --> 02:22:33,100
We are misleading you on the on the reserves, right? So in general our former policy was 18 and a half percent

1525
02:22:33,100 --> 02:22:41,480
We revised it like good conservatives do to say let's do 25% better number, right average state of Florida is 16.7%

1526
02:22:41,480 --> 02:22:45,480
Such as counties about half of that. I mean a horrible they're having all kinds of fights on that, right?

1527
02:22:45,940 --> 02:22:49,660
Not to say that I'm not for 25% because I am I'd rather have 25%

1528
02:22:49,660 --> 02:22:56,440
But to say that we dipped into reserves, and we were irresponsible, we dropped a 21.7 percent,

1529
02:22:56,700 --> 02:22:59,320
which is well over the average of 60.7.

1530
02:22:59,760 --> 02:23:01,580
And on top of it, you know what we collect?

1531
02:23:01,980 --> 02:23:03,960
We only budget to collect 95 percent.

1532
02:23:04,200 --> 02:23:06,900
We consistently collect 96 and 97 percent.

1533
02:23:07,380 --> 02:23:12,200
You know, obviously if everyone pays their taxes early, we only collect 96 percent because you get a 4 percent reduction.

1534
02:23:12,740 --> 02:23:16,080
Right? You see the bill comes in the mail says, you pay early, you pay 4 percent.

1535
02:23:16,080 --> 02:23:24,360
Well, mortgages are going to pay early, you know, people on fake sick, hopefully you're smart enough to pay early because you don't want to pay 4% more.

1536
02:23:24,700 --> 02:23:33,400
Each month you pay late, you lose a percent, right? So on the rough years back in 2009, 10, 11, you saw that number of creep up to 8, 98, 99%.

1537
02:23:33,400 --> 02:23:36,840
A lot of people were losing houses, there was a lot of stuff that was going on, 4 closures, etc.

1538
02:23:38,340 --> 02:23:41,140
But, you know, consistently we collect 96%.

1539
02:23:41,140 --> 02:23:46,280
So on purpose, and we do that on purpose, that's our policy, to make sure that we're under, rather than over,

1540
02:23:46,440 --> 02:23:50,340
because why would we want a budget 97% if you want to cut 96? Well, you're not going to have a balanced budget,

1541
02:23:50,600 --> 02:23:55,220
you're going to have a disaster on your hands, right? But if you budget 95, you're going to have a pleasant 1%

1542
02:23:55,220 --> 02:23:59,840
that's going to hit you, and it does. And there is extra revenue there. Now granted, if we spend money,

1543
02:24:00,140 --> 02:24:03,880
we did the body one, cameras, there's some things you can give them that listen my long probably to spend some money.

1544
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:10,180
But to say that it was all doom and gloom, and we cut into the budget, that historically this county was 18.5%.

1545
02:24:10,180 --> 02:24:16,000
We chose on this board recently to go to 25 percent, which I'm not saying is a bad decision because it's not.

1546
02:24:16,280 --> 02:24:18,120
You need to be at 25 percent if possible.

1547
02:24:18,800 --> 02:24:21,120
So we didn't get responsibly cut into the reserves.

1548
02:24:21,620 --> 02:24:24,060
We just, at the last minute, we couldn't agree on what they cut.

1549
02:24:24,740 --> 02:24:25,980
We said, okay, what are we going to do?

1550
02:24:26,680 --> 02:24:31,080
And we pulled down from the budget to get the number right because offers and vote knew a tax increase.

1551
02:24:31,660 --> 02:24:32,780
What's going to happen, right?

1552
02:24:32,920 --> 02:24:34,080
And along with other people.

1553
02:24:34,580 --> 02:24:37,940
So it's kind of misleading to say that we dipped into it and this and that.

1554
02:24:37,940 --> 02:24:39,440
We're going to be above 18 and a half percent.

1555
02:24:39,880 --> 02:24:40,980
Hopefully we have 25 percent.

1556
02:24:41,060 --> 02:24:43,660
I don't know, what is the number right now that you have for the reserves?

1557
02:24:44,440 --> 02:24:45,160
18 and a half.

1558
02:24:45,260 --> 02:24:45,740
18 and a half.

1559
02:24:45,880 --> 02:24:47,900
Okay, so it is lower than what it was last year.

1560
02:24:48,100 --> 02:24:49,340
And I believe, I don't have this that number.

1561
02:24:49,620 --> 02:24:50,280
I believe it was 21.

1562
02:24:50,340 --> 02:24:51,060
We cut it to.

1563
02:24:51,660 --> 02:24:52,200
That's correct.

1564
02:24:52,600 --> 02:24:53,400
It was 21 percent.

1565
02:24:53,620 --> 02:24:55,980
And did you get extra revenue in over the 95 percent?

1566
02:24:57,930 --> 02:24:59,910
So we they just

1567
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:29,920
Let's finish the financial statements, and we're getting that information so we can get the ending fund balance. And see if there's going to be a true or a true down. I bet anything, everything I got, it was over 95%. And trust me, it was. Right. So it's misleading to tell you that we're dipped in the reserves and it's irresponsible because it's not. We're still well above the average. And we're still we're at 18 and a half percent. We're not going to get below that. I don't get both of that either. So I mean, that's not responsible to do that because you've got to run the government. I don't know if you guys know this now, but you have to run the government on reserve.

1568
02:25:30,340 --> 02:25:31,860
Why are you waiting for taxes to come in?

1569
02:25:32,280 --> 02:25:34,280
So as of October 1st, you don't click the taxes.

1570
02:25:34,280 --> 02:25:36,000
You get a big chunk of them by the end of November.

1571
02:25:36,220 --> 02:25:38,520
If most of you pay early and save that 4%.

1572
02:25:38,520 --> 02:25:42,200
So at least two months, you got to run this government on reserves.

1573
02:25:43,020 --> 02:25:44,040
And you do the math on there.

1574
02:25:44,160 --> 02:25:44,680
It's a big number.

1575
02:25:44,880 --> 02:25:45,860
You got to run the government on.

1576
02:25:45,920 --> 02:25:46,920
You still got to have core services.

1577
02:25:47,380 --> 02:25:49,480
So when that number, not many starts coming in and starts

1578
02:25:49,480 --> 02:25:51,620
make us feel a little better, but I'm sure you get a little stressed.

1579
02:25:52,000 --> 02:25:53,440
When you look at that number and November going,

1580
02:25:53,780 --> 02:25:55,800
man, of course, we're down like 8% left.

1581
02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:58,440
I mean, wouldn't that be crazy to have the bar all to keep the government open?

1582
02:25:58,440 --> 02:26:01,560
You know, and that's why you don't dip into reserves too low, et cetera.

1583
02:26:01,700 --> 02:26:04,780
So, you know, they're not wrong about what they're talking about because we did set a policy.

1584
02:26:04,780 --> 02:26:07,040
We wanted to be a 25% and revised it.

1585
02:26:07,140 --> 02:26:13,340
But historically, we were 18 and a half and we were at 21 last year just to have the numbers out there.

1586
02:26:13,520 --> 02:26:13,720
Thank you.

1587
02:26:13,940 --> 02:26:14,340
Thank you, sir.

1588
02:26:15,020 --> 02:26:18,060
All right. Just for the board, say I have administrator Rogers.

1589
02:26:18,300 --> 02:26:21,220
I have, I'm going to share a lot of code.

1590
02:26:22,220 --> 02:26:28,000
I'll give everybody one last chance to say it and then we're going to go to the public, give them an opportunity to speak and then we'll come back.

1591
02:26:28,000 --> 02:26:35,220
I encourage you guys to stick around, it's going to be an important conversation afterwards as well, I encourage you to stick around if your schedule allows.

1592
02:26:35,660 --> 02:26:52,060
One last comment on the reserves and commissioners champion is correct, the point I was making is what makes this different in previous years, the statement was made that we went to roll back last year and then 3% and that's correct and we didn't close any libraries.

1593
02:26:52,060 --> 02:26:58,760
the difference this year is we don't have that buffer and reserves to take from right we're at

1594
02:26:58,760 --> 02:27:05,400
the 18.5% I'm not voting to lower that I'm not voting to change that board policy so we're at

1595
02:27:05,400 --> 02:27:12,880
the 18.5% I miss your champion saying he's not voting to lower that either so that's not going

1596
02:27:12,880 --> 02:27:18,440
to happen so it has to come from somewhere else that's the point I was making administrator Rogers

1597
02:27:19,380 --> 02:27:24,180
I think you said standing I must say it's the concern this year is that we used the

1598
02:27:24,180 --> 02:27:28,960
rare reserves last year to fund an ongoing operational expense in the county budget.

1599
02:27:29,540 --> 02:27:33,940
And that reserve funding source is not there this year because we're at the minimum reserve.

1600
02:27:34,180 --> 02:27:38,300
So we have to come up with another reserve funding source or we just expensive.

1601
02:27:39,400 --> 02:27:40,300
I'm sure Aka.

1602
02:27:40,800 --> 02:27:44,300
I'm thanking everybody for saying they're not going to go below that 18 and a half.

1603
02:27:44,300 --> 02:27:53,820
This budget that is presented so far today is at 18.5%, but we're not to roll back yet, and that's why we're having this discussion.

1604
02:27:54,440 --> 02:27:55,780
We're not to roll back yet.

1605
02:27:56,620 --> 02:28:05,300
So, we've got to figure out what we cut to get to roll back and not affect reserves to put them below 18.5%.

1606
02:28:05,880 --> 02:28:11,060
And that's going to be the challenge, it's going to be very difficult, but we can make it happen.

1607
02:28:11,580 --> 02:28:18,880
Again, I just want to make sure that we all say, again, I'm not going below 18 and a half either, so we've got that's three out of four.

1608
02:28:19,000 --> 02:28:19,780
I'm sure you'll be the same.

1609
02:28:20,460 --> 02:28:26,260
So today, we need three votes to move forward, right? I'm sure we're going to have all four votes, right?

1610
02:28:26,540 --> 02:28:26,780
Today.

1611
02:28:27,880 --> 02:28:29,780
Yeah, we don't have to vote on anything today.

1612
02:28:29,780 --> 02:28:35,720
Okay, the 100 chapter 129 budget officer presents her proposed budget.

1613
02:28:35,800 --> 02:28:43,020
You can make reductions by a majority vote to the parts under the board of kind of commissioners control if you want.

1614
02:28:44,220 --> 02:28:53,560
But and then the military that sent what they call the DR440 MMJR I think is what goes to the property

1615
02:28:53,560 --> 02:28:56,160
for the trim notice, trim notice only.

1616
02:28:56,360 --> 02:29:02,920
And so whatever number is required to fund the proposed budget is what goes on that form.

1617
02:29:03,320 --> 02:29:04,780
You make the real changes in September.

1618
02:29:05,940 --> 02:29:07,180
Can you clarify something?

1619
02:29:07,340 --> 02:29:12,560
I thought that the millage that goes to the property appraisal has to be,

1620
02:29:13,860 --> 02:29:16,480
had requires a vote to go above rollback.

1621
02:29:16,960 --> 02:29:19,180
No, that's the individual budget hearings in September, right?

1622
02:29:19,320 --> 02:29:20,660
Okay, I just want to make sure that you don't wait.

1623
02:29:20,800 --> 02:29:21,560
You don't wait, set it back.

1624
02:29:21,560 --> 02:29:24,760
All you're doing is putting the max amount.

1625
02:29:25,040 --> 02:29:28,060
Well, what you're doing is you're setting the proposed rate to the property

1626
02:29:28,060 --> 02:29:31,740
prison, which becomes, there's especially just fine statutes from the maximum

1627
02:29:31,740 --> 02:29:32,060
military.

1628
02:29:32,180 --> 02:29:33,120
That relates to September.

1629
02:29:33,920 --> 02:29:37,620
But this is the number that goes in the trim notice, it's the maximum the county

1630
02:29:37,620 --> 02:29:42,040
can let me without having to redo the trim, may I have a whole new set of trim

1631
02:29:42,040 --> 02:29:42,320
notices.

1632
02:29:42,940 --> 02:29:47,560
So the three votes, four votes, unanimous votes, doesn't apply to today's

1633
02:29:47,560 --> 02:29:47,760
hearing.

1634
02:29:47,760 --> 02:29:58,680
But I wanted to say why this conversation is important, because of the circumstance we're in having one less commissioner.

1635
02:30:00,140 --> 02:30:28,620
We have to be unanimous vote, right? So it would be a supermajority, but for us it's unanimous vote in September, right? So that last budget meeting in September, so if you have somebody that wants to go to roll back, which commissioner champion has stated, I don't know where everybody else is just yet, but if we have somebody that wants to go to roll back in order to get the vote passed, we need all four people, right? And so if one person is going to roll back, we're going to be probably out of roll back, right?

1636
02:30:28,620 --> 02:30:32,000
That's the only way we're going to get all four votes.

1637
02:30:32,640 --> 02:30:37,800
So then all of the cuts, I'm not saying specific cuts, but

1638
02:30:37,800 --> 02:30:42,900
money is going to have to be cut if we go to roll back at a significant rate.

1639
02:30:43,540 --> 02:30:47,200
And so that's why it's important to stay involved in the conversation.

1640
02:30:47,960 --> 02:30:52,280
Okay, so now is your opportunity to speak.

1641
02:30:52,760 --> 02:30:56,360
So everybody that would like to speak is going to have an opportunity to speak.

1642
02:30:56,360 --> 02:31:01,840
you'll have three minutes please state your name please spell your last name

1643
02:31:01,840 --> 02:31:06,560
there'll be an indicator up front here and I also will let you know at the end

1644
02:31:06,560 --> 02:31:10,340
it'll have typically an audible sound but if you want to pay attention

1645
02:31:10,340 --> 02:31:16,460
green means you're good yellow means you have 30 seconds of wrap up and red means

1646
02:31:16,460 --> 02:31:22,440
your time is up so we'll start with you ma'am please state your name please spell

1647
02:31:22,440 --> 02:31:24,120
While you're last name, you will have three minutes.

1648
02:31:24,800 --> 02:31:36,520
Veronica Moore, M-O-O-R-E, sorry, I live at 1-1-4-2-7 C-U-L-A-N, and my zip code is 3-1-6-3-1-4-1-6,

1649
02:31:36,760 --> 02:31:38,120
which is the library area.

1650
02:31:40,480 --> 02:31:44,800
Jeff talked about impact almost every sentence he mentioned's impact.

1651
02:31:45,000 --> 02:31:48,700
Why can't we raise up the impact fees for all the new developments that are coming in?

1652
02:31:49,360 --> 02:31:50,680
That would really help.

1653
02:31:50,680 --> 02:32:02,420
We don't really need all these developments, you guys are flooding the area with why can't we just add that money in, make it worthwhile to our budgets.

1654
02:32:04,840 --> 02:32:11,920
I live less than about four miles to that library, but if I have to go to Spring Hill, it's 11 miles.

1655
02:32:12,540 --> 02:32:15,900
It's too far, that's it, thank you.

1656
02:32:15,900 --> 02:32:25,420
thank you ma'am. I failed to mention before this young lady comes off. I failed to mention that I appreciate you clapping is going to be a long day if we clap after everybody.

1657
02:32:25,960 --> 02:32:36,640
Okay, so if you guys all want your opportunity, which we're going to sit here until everybody has our opportunity, I would respectfully ask you to keep the comments down and wait until the end.

1658
02:32:37,320 --> 02:32:41,560
Just real quick, I just wanted to tell people you don't have to disclose your address.

1659
02:32:41,940 --> 02:32:42,740
Right, it's only your name.

1660
02:32:42,940 --> 02:32:45,820
Yeah, just rename, state your name, spell your last name.

1661
02:32:45,900 --> 02:32:46,480
That would be good.

1662
02:32:47,020 --> 02:32:49,680
And we will respond at the end.

1663
02:32:49,860 --> 02:32:53,420
So if you're asking us a specific question, we'll do our best to respond.

1664
02:32:53,780 --> 02:32:56,040
But just know we're not going to, it's not going to be a back and forth.

1665
02:32:57,340 --> 02:33:02,160
But out of respect for everybody, let's try to give everybody an opportunity to speak.

1666
02:33:02,620 --> 02:33:04,260
Again, we'll say here until everybody does.

1667
02:33:04,580 --> 02:33:05,620
Thank you. Yes, ma'am.

1668
02:33:05,620 --> 02:33:09,980
Good morning, my name is Amelia Holman, H-O-M-A-N.

1669
02:33:10,240 --> 02:33:13,880
I'm a week you watch in resident and Hernando County school teacher.

1670
02:33:14,500 --> 02:33:19,900
After listening to the County Administrators presentation, I can't help but feel angry at

1671
02:33:19,900 --> 02:33:21,240
the state of this budget.

1672
02:33:22,500 --> 02:33:31,600
After you all spoke about the rollback last year of plus minus 3%, it seems irresponsible

1673
02:33:31,600 --> 02:33:37,160
the way that you are now saying, oh, our budget is short and we need to cut the library.

1674
02:33:37,380 --> 02:33:43,480
But I digress, I'm here to urge the commissioners not to close the West Fernando Library branch.

1675
02:33:43,920 --> 02:33:49,780
Literacy is a growing problem nationwide and closing our local library branch will only exacerbate the problem.

1676
02:33:50,220 --> 02:33:54,340
I do not need to stand here and tell the board the benefits of reading and literacy.

1677
02:33:54,900 --> 02:34:00,340
However, I feel that I need to explain how detrimental the loss of this particular branch would be to

1678
02:34:00,340 --> 02:34:03,260
in my students and similar children in the county.

1679
02:34:03,880 --> 02:34:07,760
Libraries allow students access to a wide variety of texts,

1680
02:34:08,140 --> 02:34:09,920
not only to find what interests them,

1681
02:34:10,020 --> 02:34:12,700
but also to experiment with different types of texts,

1682
02:34:12,920 --> 02:34:15,860
something that is impossible for most families

1683
02:34:16,190 --> 02:34:17,360
to provide themselves.

1684
02:34:18,040 --> 02:34:20,020
As a Winding Waters Middle School teacher,

1685
02:34:20,260 --> 02:34:22,160
I can speak from experience to say

1686
02:34:22,160 --> 02:34:24,220
that the middle school appropriate section

1687
02:34:24,220 --> 02:34:26,560
of our school library is miniscule.

1688
02:34:26,880 --> 02:34:29,720
It is no wonder that students struggle to enjoy reading

1689
02:34:29,720 --> 02:34:34,440
when there is not a big enough selection to find something that actually interests them.

1690
02:34:34,980 --> 02:34:40,060
The main library and Spring Hill branches are over half an hour away from my school.

1691
02:34:40,400 --> 02:34:45,700
That means a round trip library visit even to do something as simple as return a book takes

1692
02:34:45,700 --> 02:34:46,900
over an hour.

1693
02:34:47,380 --> 02:34:53,080
This is a significant barrier to library access that will hurt our most vulnerable population.

1694
02:34:54,120 --> 02:34:58,780
Furthermore, as this board continues to approve new developments on the northwest side of the

1695
02:34:58,780 --> 02:34:59,960
the county. The need for the

1696
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:23,580
Our library in our area will grow exponentially. While I understand that rising costs across the board are squeezing budgets nationwide, closing a library should be a last resort, not the first. As an average library user myself and advocate for my students, I urge you to do the right thing and do not close the western end of branch of the library. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am.

1697
02:35:30,310 --> 02:35:35,430
Good morning. My name is Kathleen Goldsmith, G-O-L-D-S-M-I-T-H,

1698
02:35:35,430 --> 02:35:38,510
and I am here speaking as a citizen of Fernando County.

1699
02:35:39,410 --> 02:35:42,170
There's a quote that's been going through my mind lately

1700
02:35:42,170 --> 02:35:45,390
by a journalist Walter Cronkite, and that line is,

1701
02:35:45,930 --> 02:35:48,210
whatever the cost of our libraries it is cheap

1702
02:35:48,210 --> 02:35:50,190
compared to that of an ignorant nation.

1703
02:35:51,210 --> 02:35:53,670
And certainly from a fiscal standpoint, that is true.

1704
02:35:53,990 --> 02:35:57,990
According to Forbes.com, lack of literacy costs the US economy

1705
02:35:57,990 --> 02:36:02,690
up to $2.2 trillion in lost productivity and lower wages.

1706
02:36:02,690 --> 02:36:07,270
It contributes to dependency on welfare and creates strain on social services.

1707
02:36:07,990 --> 02:36:16,590
But I'm sure there are people here far better at mathematics than myself who could more effectively present to you the financial value of literacy and libraries.

1708
02:36:17,590 --> 02:36:24,410
I, however, would like to talk to you about the social value of the library, Ford is very much intertwined with the physical value.

1709
02:36:25,630 --> 02:36:27,350
What happens in libraries?

1710
02:36:28,210 --> 02:36:32,470
Children are read books like Good Night Moon and Green Eggs and Ham for the first time.

1711
02:36:33,370 --> 02:36:35,910
High school senior study for their SAT exams.

1712
02:36:36,710 --> 02:36:40,330
Small business owners go there to print their flyers for their establishments.

1713
02:36:41,170 --> 02:36:44,110
New residents often register to voced at libraries.

1714
02:36:45,010 --> 02:36:49,530
They are programs to teach people how to use a computer, to write a resume, to sew.

1715
02:36:50,530 --> 02:36:54,450
Citizens check out museum passes to learn about our local history.

1716
02:36:55,190 --> 02:37:01,230
All walks of life use the library for a variety of purposes, and though these may seem

1717
02:37:01,230 --> 02:37:06,610
like purely social elements, they are both directly and indirectly affect our economy.

1718
02:37:07,330 --> 02:37:11,370
Libraries boost local tourism, businesses and test scores.

1719
02:37:12,130 --> 02:37:16,910
To invest in our libraries is to invest in the future growth and prosperity of this county.

1720
02:37:17,830 --> 02:37:23,410
And as this county continues to grow, it is important to write by its citizens, the people

1721
02:37:23,410 --> 02:37:29,530
of Hernando County deserve access to the programs and services that they pay for, libraries

1722
02:37:29,530 --> 02:37:32,210
of the fruits of their labor from which they deserve to harvest.

1723
02:37:33,630 --> 02:37:39,190
For what are libraries but the very definition of community, where we all work together

1724
02:37:39,190 --> 02:37:42,110
to create an environment in which we can all benefit?

1725
02:37:43,050 --> 02:37:48,850
I feel that anyone who has ever set foot in a library can attest that they are like lighthouses

1726
02:37:48,850 --> 02:37:50,830
in the darkness leading us to refuge.

1727
02:37:50,830 --> 02:37:57,170
They are sanctuaries, where anyone, regardless of status, can go and make use of its services.

1728
02:37:58,230 --> 02:38:03,850
The monetary cost of a library is but a dent in the body of government expenses, but

1729
02:38:03,850 --> 02:38:07,430
the price of losing a library would be astronomical.

1730
02:38:08,030 --> 02:38:13,950
It would be a financial wound that would bleed slowly, one that this county will not recover

1731
02:38:13,950 --> 02:38:14,290
from.

1732
02:38:15,010 --> 02:38:18,810
I'm going to close with yet another quote, this one by author T. S. Eliot.

1733
02:38:19,610 --> 02:38:25,370
The very existence of libraries affords the best evidence that we may yet have hope for

1734
02:38:25,370 --> 02:38:26,170
the future of man.

1735
02:38:26,690 --> 02:38:27,270
Thank you.

1736
02:38:27,450 --> 02:38:28,010
Thank you, ma'am.

1737
02:38:34,500 --> 02:38:41,240
My name is Noreen Shigila, S-C-H-E-L-E-R. I live at 8171 Ramboo Road.

1738
02:38:42,520 --> 02:38:45,400
I want to address the closing of our library.

1739
02:38:45,800 --> 02:38:51,660
I'm sure that the citizens have expressed their concern about losing their access to

1740
02:38:51,660 --> 02:38:58,920
reading materials and all other resources, including the wonderful programs offered through the library.

1741
02:39:00,020 --> 02:39:05,180
But now, I would like to talk about some of the obscure features of the library.

1742
02:39:05,780 --> 02:39:10,140
The area surrounding the library has a large homes population.

1743
02:39:11,260 --> 02:39:15,620
They use the library for warmth in the winter and easy in the summer.

1744
02:39:16,360 --> 02:39:21,460
Restrooms, charging stations, and guest-computer usage are their lifeline.

1745
02:39:22,760 --> 02:39:29,500
Filling a bottle with water or simply relaxing in a comfortable chair is important to them.

1746
02:39:30,740 --> 02:39:34,800
We have families in this county that are living in their cars.

1747
02:39:35,820 --> 02:39:42,180
Please consider the impact on them. I also would like to address something that Commissioner

1748
02:39:42,180 --> 02:39:50,000
or local said I'd love to know how this library was selected because it seems that the school

1749
02:39:50,000 --> 02:39:57,840
expansions are on that side of the county. I know that Eastside has expanded their resource

1750
02:39:57,840 --> 02:39:59,880
And that's obviously on the east side.

1751
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:06,100
I just don't know how that bridge got hit. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am.

1752
02:40:14,880 --> 02:40:37,460
My name is Colleen Garrison. Put yourself in the mind of any child of all ages as they walk through the doors of a tranquil library, immediately reaching out to view the monthly calendar of events. A treasure trove of no cost activities such as bilingual story time fostering cultural diversity.

1753
02:40:37,460 --> 02:40:47,680
Free movie gatherings, arts and craft sessions, Lego clubs, new arrival DVDs, seasonal activities,

1754
02:40:48,360 --> 02:40:55,300
technological skills learning while enjoying indoor computers, book discussions, all building

1755
02:40:55,300 --> 02:41:01,640
stronger, more knowledgeable communities with occasional local authors as special guests.

1756
02:41:01,640 --> 02:41:07,360
children appreciate that environment to explore and discover their own

1757
02:41:07,360 --> 02:41:14,900
interactive creativity. There's always something for everyone. These community

1758
02:41:14,900 --> 02:41:20,920
hubs children share inside with their peers are the opposite of what we see

1759
02:41:20,920 --> 02:41:27,340
on nightly news. Where police are chasing active shooters on schoolgrounds while

1760
02:41:27,340 --> 02:41:34,720
small children suffered from shots fired. It is a free police zone environment as nurturing

1761
02:41:34,720 --> 02:41:41,660
library employees give very tender care. Shelves are stocked with newspapers of Tampa

1762
02:41:41,660 --> 02:41:47,580
Tribune, Hernando's son, New York Times, along with rotating community brochures, with

1763
02:41:47,580 --> 02:41:53,520
free donated take home magazines like National Geographic, Better Homes and Gardens, AARP,

1764
02:41:53,520 --> 02:41:59,480
U.S. Weekly Rolling Stones, Southern Living, New Yorker, Architectural Digest, all too

1765
02:41:59,480 --> 02:42:04,780
expansive for a family subscription for such high-end magazines.

1766
02:42:05,780 --> 02:42:14,540
Depriving children of good, clean fun while closing their library can, as they grow into

1767
02:42:14,540 --> 02:42:21,900
teenagers ranging from 12 to 14, begin their initial substance experimentation into alcohol

1768
02:42:21,900 --> 02:42:24,840
and marijuana from Bordeaux.

1769
02:42:25,360 --> 02:42:28,940
As age, desiring to spend all productive time

1770
02:42:28,940 --> 02:42:32,240
at hemp dispensaries, THC cannabis usage,

1771
02:42:32,740 --> 02:42:34,580
fentanyl, opiate cigarette smoking.

1772
02:42:35,220 --> 02:42:38,080
Soon adolescence is a road that leads to nowhere.

1773
02:42:38,940 --> 02:42:40,560
According to Florida Health charts,

1774
02:42:40,840 --> 02:42:43,800
deaths in Hernando County from drug poisoning rate

1775
02:42:43,800 --> 02:42:47,820
per 100,000 population was 77 in 2023,

1776
02:42:47,820 --> 02:42:53,560
93, 99 deaths in 2022, 101 in 2021 regarding poisoning.

1777
02:42:54,400 --> 02:42:59,800
You do not hear on the nightly news of children being kidnapped from a library because it's

1778
02:42:59,800 --> 02:43:01,400
a child's safe place.

1779
02:43:02,260 --> 02:43:05,560
Each one of you know how to create fundraisers for yourselves.

1780
02:43:06,880 --> 02:43:12,220
Colleagues and their startup businesses, the sheriff also could have participated all this

1781
02:43:12,220 --> 02:43:18,160
time in a monetary fund drive will off duty on his own time to raise money for the needs

1782
02:43:18,160 --> 02:43:23,180
of keeping the child friendly safe library sanctuary. I got plenty more, but I'll give

1783
02:43:23,180 --> 02:43:26,080
it to her and let them publish it. Thank you.

1784
02:43:30,020 --> 02:43:37,840
My name is Susan Cuppie, K-U-P-P-E. I moved here in 2006 to help my elderly father who lived

1785
02:43:37,840 --> 02:43:45,440
at High Point. He passed in 2009 and of course we had cable TV and the Internet and I was

1786
02:43:45,440 --> 02:43:51,900
on the computer a lot. And then I was talking to friends and a family and a couple of times

1787
02:43:51,900 --> 02:43:56,320
imagine, yes, this is, and every time we talk to you, you're still at home. You need to get out.

1788
02:43:56,560 --> 02:44:02,080
You, they were worried about my mental health. Um, yeah, I was depressed. I loved my dad. We were

1789
02:44:02,080 --> 02:44:09,320
very close. And I thought, okay, um, well, my, you know, can go out to eat in their shops, but I didn't

1790
02:44:09,320 --> 02:44:16,100
have a lot of money to spend so I went to the library and you can ask the librarians I'm a regular

1791
02:44:16,100 --> 02:44:26,280
they all know me and the thing is they talk about all the building out east there is a street I can't

1792
02:44:26,280 --> 02:44:31,980
remember the name of it right next to the hospital or kill hospital and there's all kinds of new

1793
02:44:31,980 --> 02:44:36,600
developments going on and all kinds of new developments going up on 19 there's plenty of new building

1794
02:44:36,600 --> 02:44:39,840
And I'm sure a lot of people say, oh, look, there's a good library close by.

1795
02:44:40,240 --> 02:44:43,280
Now, somebody mentioned, like, they didn't know why the library was closed.

1796
02:44:44,060 --> 02:44:47,720
I was told they are conditioning without, and it's going to cost 30,000 to fix it.

1797
02:44:48,500 --> 02:44:52,460
So, what I did, I worked in banking for 24 years, was really simple.

1798
02:44:52,980 --> 02:44:58,380
I googled how many homes in Hernando County, 98,407.

1799
02:44:58,880 --> 02:44:59,980
and if you do

1800
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,980
I invite that by 30,000, that is less than 30 cents per house in tax. Now, I gotta say, when my dad passed away, in 2009, the taxes were like about 550, have a two-bedroom mobile home. And over time, they keep going up, and up, and up, and like, I'm around 1,800 now, so they haven't doubled. They've tripled. Okay. And so for 30 cents, I know people don't want their taxes to go.

1801
02:45:29,980 --> 02:45:34,060
go up, but for less than 30 cents to get that air condition or

1802
02:45:34,060 --> 02:45:40,240
fixed in the Hernandez library, I don't think that's asking too much for all the

1803
02:45:40,240 --> 02:45:45,360
homeowners, people who live in paid taxes here. The other thing is they were

1804
02:45:45,360 --> 02:45:51,880
talking about, gosh, I can't forget, I didn't have things to know like a lot of the

1805
02:45:51,880 --> 02:45:58,020
other people did, but the thing is, is you guys can approve getting a loan at

1806
02:45:58,020 --> 02:46:01,620
bank, the county obviously has a checking out somewhere where they write things, get

1807
02:46:01,620 --> 02:46:08,800
a loan for 30,000, fix the library, open it back up, and then have our taxes go back

1808
02:46:08,800 --> 02:46:16,060
up 30 cents. Why not even do it a dollar and put a little slush fund aside for the

1809
02:46:16,060 --> 02:46:20,700
Hernando library and the other libraries. One person mentioned, well you can go to Spring

1810
02:46:20,700 --> 02:46:26,220
Hill, you know what? Because I'm so close to Marinor and Cortez, I have everything I need

1811
02:46:26,220 --> 02:46:30,520
near me and the library too but I have been driving down the spring

1812
02:46:30,520 --> 02:46:36,180
hill. It used to be I only had to fill my car up every week and a half. Now it's

1813
02:46:36,180 --> 02:46:41,140
every five days so I really need that library. Thank you.

1814
02:46:46,360 --> 02:46:47,380
I'm Carol and

1815
02:46:47,380 --> 02:46:53,960
Sue Nordstrom from Weeky Watchy. I've been working at the Little Red School House

1816
02:46:53,960 --> 02:47:00,120
library use bookstore since 2011. I'm a lifetime member of friends of the

1817
02:47:00,120 --> 02:47:06,660
library, and I'm a reader, and I love the library. My daughter loves libraries. It's a haven,

1818
02:47:07,920 --> 02:47:14,240
and very important. I know you have to be responsible about money issues, and I do too.

1819
02:47:15,000 --> 02:47:18,880
That's important, and you're doing that, but you need to be responsible for people.

1820
02:47:19,620 --> 02:47:26,360
People issues. And that's where I think, you know, it's, I think the 3% you say you cut,

1821
02:47:26,360 --> 02:47:32,320
you do need to raise it back up. And you should support that and push that so people understand

1822
02:47:33,080 --> 02:47:39,420
that we need that. People need that for their mental health, their happiness,

1823
02:47:41,080 --> 02:47:48,200
my daughters disabled, the librarians are very nurturing and have helped her. You want to keep people

1824
02:47:48,200 --> 02:47:53,800
out of detention centers. This is one of the things you do. You do things for people directly.

1825
02:47:55,240 --> 02:48:01,960
And Tallahassee, I have to say, I don't think that law that they are pushing and we're

1826
02:48:01,960 --> 02:48:07,140
going to vote on is responsible, I think it's irresponsible, it's caused chaos.

1827
02:48:07,860 --> 02:48:13,760
And really, I think they're trying to take power away from counties where we make decisions

1828
02:48:13,760 --> 02:48:20,320
on how we spend our tax money and we decide if we need to cut our taxes or increase them.

1829
02:48:20,320 --> 02:48:27,080
They've decided that they're going to ask, you're going to have to go to them to ask for

1830
02:48:27,080 --> 02:48:27,940
funds.

1831
02:48:28,360 --> 02:48:33,320
It's what I've been reading from the papers and so forth.

1832
02:48:33,560 --> 02:48:39,020
So I think they're taking your power away and they're making, they're just causing chaos

1833
02:48:39,020 --> 02:48:39,420
here.

1834
02:48:43,200 --> 02:48:48,540
Like others have said, this is libraries really are a lifeline to a lot of people, including

1835
02:48:48,540 --> 02:48:49,400
homeless people.

1836
02:48:49,400 --> 02:48:56,560
and they really need help and they offer so much they can't even apply for a job without

1837
02:48:56,560 --> 02:49:02,940
doing it on a computer anymore usually. So I'm I'm almost done I guess

1838
02:49:05,120 --> 02:49:08,880
I do want to say that

1839
02:49:13,420 --> 02:49:21,220
the library the the Hernando County Library System as a whole is very good in 2013

1840
02:49:21,220 --> 02:49:28,840
The library association of Florida declared we were the best library of the year in 2013.

1841
02:49:29,300 --> 02:49:32,600
That's what this shirt was made for.

1842
02:49:32,780 --> 02:49:35,740
This is the logo that they used in 2013.

1843
02:49:41,120 --> 02:49:48,200
So it's really a jewel in my life and for a lot of people, I'm in book clubs there.

1844
02:49:49,140 --> 02:49:58,220
That's about all I can say to add to what's been said, but I hope you consider people not just your dollar signs when you vote for this.

1845
02:49:58,480 --> 02:49:58,980
Thank you, ma'am.

1846
02:50:04,560 --> 02:50:34,540
I'm Beverly Coe, COE, and I live in Brooksville. We all know the negative impact of screen time on our kids. Excuse me, I'm not second. Just allergic to big meetings like this. And the slow decline of entire votes being read for street.

1847
02:50:34,540 --> 02:50:43,020
students. But thankfully, parents and educators are waking up to the reality of the importance

1848
02:50:43,020 --> 02:50:49,540
of reading whole books. Studies show the written word in the form of a story. Strengthens

1849
02:50:49,540 --> 02:50:58,060
the synapses, synapses of the brain, and improving cognition, and has had a domino effect on students

1850
02:50:58,060 --> 02:51:04,180
grades, rising in other subjects, as well as a healthier sense of self than one's relation

1851
02:51:04,180 --> 02:51:04,800
to the world.

1852
02:51:07,840 --> 02:51:15,260
So I don't know that much about the age of that system situation, but in regard to

1853
02:51:15,260 --> 02:51:22,000
that, I just wondered if there were some of a comprehensive study could be done or see

1854
02:51:22,000 --> 02:51:25,280
if there are other avenues to keep the library open.

1855
02:51:25,280 --> 02:51:32,840
And here's some ideas, I'm simply throwing out, and if you recognize the footprint of chat GPT in this, you're right.

1856
02:51:35,200 --> 02:51:54,020
But like different, let's say, look into municipal bonds or seeing if an HVAC being an essential infrastructure can qualify as a capital expense rather than an operating expense, does Florida offer grants for public libraries, improvements or energy efficiency upgrades,

1857
02:51:54,020 --> 02:51:57,200
buildings, renovations, or infrastructure improvements?

1858
02:51:57,700 --> 02:52:01,900
Are there federal funds for energy efficiency, or community development funds, or

1859
02:52:02,260 --> 02:52:05,040
there are foundation grants that might help?

1860
02:52:06,600 --> 02:52:11,720
As for the age-fac system, electric utilities frequently offer rebates for energy efficiency,

1861
02:52:12,200 --> 02:52:17,740
low interest financing, energy audits, and commercial efficiency incentives.

1862
02:52:17,740 --> 02:52:28,080
As also a member of the Friends of the Library, perhaps our county can come together for a massive fundraising campaign that includes seeking donations from local businesses.

1863
02:52:30,740 --> 02:52:43,900
Please, please keep all our strategically placed libraries in our country open and thriving to provide a multitude of productive services to all members of our community.

1864
02:52:43,900 --> 02:52:48,160
no great civilization close their libraries.

1865
02:52:56,130 --> 02:53:00,210
Dear commissioners, my name is Karen Lachisek,

1866
02:53:00,630 --> 02:53:01,130
the little nervous.

1867
02:53:01,770 --> 02:53:02,290
You doing great.

1868
02:53:02,630 --> 02:53:05,990
But I want you to continue to fund the

1869
02:53:05,990 --> 02:53:09,070
Land Accounting Public Library System,

1870
02:53:09,350 --> 02:53:12,230
especially the West Ternando County Library.

1871
02:53:13,430 --> 02:53:18,110
Libraries, and I'll probably reiterate what everyone has said,

1872
02:53:18,110 --> 02:53:24,770
that libraries provide so many valuable resources to the citizens of her Nando County.

1873
02:53:25,130 --> 02:53:31,810
They provide the books, technology, educational programs, job search, a system,

1874
02:53:32,530 --> 02:53:38,070
meeting spaces and lifelong learning opportunities for residents of all ages.

1875
02:53:38,510 --> 02:53:46,750
And we also heard about the social support for parents, for children, for teenagers,

1876
02:53:46,750 --> 02:53:53,970
and many times for senior citizens especially for those living alone and we

1877
02:53:53,970 --> 02:54:00,290
have a large population of senior citizens. Closing one library places a

1878
02:54:00,290 --> 02:54:05,470
burden on other libraries as well as citizens who have to drive further to get to

1879
02:54:05,470 --> 02:54:11,130
one especially if they're taking a bus it's like you can't get there from here.

1880
02:54:11,130 --> 02:54:19,090
potential residents look at what the counties have to offer in terms of libraries and schools

1881
02:54:19,090 --> 02:54:23,110
when they're seeking places to reside in.

1882
02:54:23,890 --> 02:54:28,010
That Hernandez County continue to shine in this area.

1883
02:54:29,390 --> 02:54:36,930
Please continue to support Hernandez County libraries and ensure they remain accessible to all

1884
02:54:36,930 --> 02:54:45,550
members of our communities. Libraries represent one of the few places that tax

1885
02:54:45,550 --> 02:54:53,130
paying residents can go that doesn't charge a fee. Our parks charge a fee, our

1886
02:54:53,130 --> 02:54:59,790
fishing peers charge a fee, everything seems to have a fee. And by the way

1887
02:55:00,050 --> 02:55:30,030
Was there anything listed? Were some of our, our fees? I didn't see anything on your budget. I mean, is there an area for that for us to see what revenue is coming in from other sources? Please continue to support Hernando County Libraries and ensure they remain accessible to all members of our communities. Libraries represent one of the few

1888
02:55:30,030 --> 02:55:35,350
places. Oh, I'm repeating myself, but I want you to get that point. That tax paying

1889
02:55:35,350 --> 02:55:41,790
residents can go that doesn't charge a fee. Thank you for your services to Hernando County

1890
02:55:41,790 --> 02:55:47,650
and considering funding all Hernando County libraries. And one of the things I'd like

1891
02:55:47,650 --> 02:55:54,710
to mention is that many time some of our residents moved to other counties or states and they

1892
02:55:54,710 --> 02:56:00,670
come back and they remarked they wish they had the library system that her

1893
02:56:00,670 --> 02:56:08,490
Nanda County has and what we offer. I'd like to invite you to stop by and spend some

1894
02:56:08,490 --> 02:56:14,210
time in the her Nanda County libraries. You might be surprised at what you have

1895
02:56:14,210 --> 02:56:17,370
been missing. Thank you. Thank you ma'am.

1896
02:56:22,820 --> 02:56:24,960
Good morning commissioners my name is

1897
02:56:24,960 --> 02:56:26,980
Marina Syrette, SURETE.

1898
02:56:28,520 --> 02:56:31,260
I'm speaking today as a professional librarian

1899
02:56:31,260 --> 02:56:33,440
with a master's degree in library science

1900
02:56:33,440 --> 02:56:36,080
and 32 years of experience in libraries.

1901
02:56:37,040 --> 02:56:39,600
Others have already spoken about the social value of libraries

1902
02:56:39,600 --> 02:56:42,700
and I could wax on forever about it, it is my vocation.

1903
02:56:43,460 --> 02:56:46,780
But I'm going to add that closing the Western End of Branch

1904
02:56:46,780 --> 02:56:49,640
to reduce the budget is very short-sighted.

1905
02:56:50,300 --> 02:56:53,460
We should be eliminating waste, not adding to it.

1906
02:56:53,460 --> 02:56:58,940
Fernando County taxpayers have already invested heavily in this facility.

1907
02:56:59,540 --> 02:57:07,060
The West Branch House is nearly 37,000 physical items, and with an estimated replacement cost

1908
02:57:07,060 --> 02:57:14,560
of probably $1.2 million, along with an additional estimated three to 400,000 in infrastructure

1909
02:57:14,560 --> 02:57:15,720
and technology.

1910
02:57:16,660 --> 02:57:18,880
Those investments have already been made.

1911
02:57:18,880 --> 02:57:24,040
The question is whether taxpayers will continue receiving the full value of

1912
02:57:24,040 --> 02:57:29,040
what they've already paid for. Closing this branch also means losing programs

1913
02:57:29,040 --> 02:57:34,960
and services that have already been planned and funded. The community has made it

1914
02:57:34,960 --> 02:57:41,000
clear that this library is needed. Nearly 21,000 residents identify West as their

1915
02:57:41,000 --> 02:57:48,360
home branch. Between October 2024 and May 11th of this year before it closed, the

1916
02:57:48,360 --> 02:57:55,320
The branch welcomed nearly 78,000 visitors, despite major disruptions, including serving

1917
02:57:55,320 --> 02:57:56,940
as a FEMA site for two months.

1918
02:57:58,540 --> 02:58:04,600
During that same period, nearly 2,500 new users registered at the West Branch and staff

1919
02:58:04,600 --> 02:58:11,880
answered almost 15,000 informational questions, helping people with technology, schoolwork,

1920
02:58:12,340 --> 02:58:16,620
job applications, government services, and access to reliable information.

1921
02:58:17,660 --> 02:58:22,860
West is a very busy branch in this county, and suggesting that Spring Hill can absorb

1922
02:58:22,860 --> 02:58:28,940
these services, places, and even greater burden on an already overextended branch.

1923
02:58:29,740 --> 02:58:34,400
Closing West would leave Spring Hill serving more than 130,000 residents.

1924
02:58:35,320 --> 02:58:38,340
This proposal does not increase efficiency.

1925
02:58:38,740 --> 02:58:43,900
It reduces the return taxpayers' receive on an investment that they've already made.

1926
02:58:43,900 --> 02:58:48,040
We don't build roads and then close them because they require maintenance.

1927
02:58:48,680 --> 02:58:51,400
We don't turn off street lights because they have ongoing costs.

1928
02:58:52,580 --> 02:58:59,560
We maintain public infrastructure because it continues to provide value and libraries

1929
02:58:59,560 --> 02:59:01,760
deserve that same consideration.

1930
02:59:02,840 --> 02:59:07,260
Physical responsibility is not about cutting services that are working.

1931
02:59:08,300 --> 02:59:13,720
It is about protecting the investments taxpayers have already made and ensuring that those investments

1932
02:59:13,720 --> 02:59:18,940
continue to benefit the community and the West Fernando branch is doing

1933
02:59:18,940 --> 02:59:20,920
exactly that thank you.

1934
02:59:25,340 --> 02:59:29,760
Hello I'm Joan Taylor I live in Wiki Watchi and I want to

1935
02:59:29,760 --> 02:59:35,840
build a little bit on the previous person's presentation by talking about the

1936
02:59:35,840 --> 02:59:41,780
Hernando County Public Library Master Plan which was presented and it's very

1937
02:59:41,780 --> 02:59:48,540
detailed with many things and in the SWOT analysis, the strength, weaknesses, opportunities

1938
02:59:48,540 --> 02:59:55,640
and threats. Under the threats area, rapid community change and growth. Population growth

1939
02:59:55,640 --> 02:59:59,880
and increasing diversity are outpacing the library's

1940
03:00:01,300 --> 03:00:11,160
And I just did a quick search of some of the residential areas along the commercial way, 19th corridor

1941
03:00:11,160 --> 03:00:19,540
there, and especially in Royal Highlands. There's approximately 250 homes expected in winding

1942
03:00:19,540 --> 03:00:27,900
Oaks, 3,085 homes in the Pinery, I don't know that's that newer development, there's

1943
03:00:27,900 --> 03:00:33,440
currently I think 1,500 homes in Glen Lakes, I know they're still constructing some

1944
03:00:33,440 --> 03:00:40,380
new ones, and Sandal Key is approximately 3,000, I'm sure that some of those people will

1945
03:00:40,380 --> 03:00:42,320
be wanting to use the library.

1946
03:00:42,320 --> 03:00:50,840
Also in another section of the master plan, it talked about the statistics of the usage

1947
03:00:50,840 --> 03:00:58,400
and it is the West Hernando Branch as the second largest number of public service hours

1948
03:00:58,730 --> 03:01:06,940
and programs for the public and also the second largest annual program participation in

1949
03:01:06,940 --> 03:01:07,780
venue count.

1950
03:01:08,500 --> 03:01:35,900
So I hope that in the future, as some of you said, this is not just for this year, this is for the future, that you take a look at the details of this plan that Kim Lee Horn did and think not only about this building, but the facilities, the need for a better constructed building and maybe some more landscaping.

1951
03:01:35,900 --> 03:01:41,240
So it's not really a chamber of commerce, hey come and look at our libraries.

1952
03:01:41,940 --> 03:01:45,560
I hope that you will consider that in the future.

1953
03:01:45,980 --> 03:01:50,560
So this is thinking ahead but I do hope that we can save Western End of Ranch.

1954
03:01:51,300 --> 03:01:51,640
Thank you.

1955
03:01:52,000 --> 03:01:53,140
Ma'am, before you leave,

1956
03:01:56,560 --> 03:02:02,660
and for everybody else's want to speak, I neglected to say that the overhead is available to you.

1957
03:02:02,660 --> 03:02:09,560
Just know anything you place on the overhead will be a public record and we have to keep that anything that's placed on the overhead

1958
03:02:09,560 --> 03:02:15,540
So if you would like the opportunity to place what you presented on the overhead you can have that opportunity now

1959
03:02:15,540 --> 03:02:19,160
Just know we'd have to take it. It's not going to be clear enough

1960
03:02:20,760 --> 03:02:27,320
Thank you, but I also would like to use overhead please feel free to do so and we'd be happy to assist with that. Thank you, ma'am

1961
03:02:30,430 --> 03:02:31,310
Good morning

1962
03:02:32,490 --> 03:02:37,890
Tim Gartha, G-U-A-R-T-H-A, Wildland Firefighter, Spring Hill.

1963
03:02:39,650 --> 03:02:45,610
So, what is every single person benefit from, every single person benefits from libraries,

1964
03:02:46,330 --> 03:02:48,970
from having an educated, engaged population.

1965
03:02:49,650 --> 03:02:51,170
I can defend my home.

1966
03:02:51,870 --> 03:02:54,550
If you give me $2,000, I can't reopen a library.

1967
03:02:55,430 --> 03:02:57,810
This is why we bother having a society.

1968
03:02:58,310 --> 03:03:00,690
If this is just about numbers, I'll make it simple.

1969
03:03:01,530 --> 03:03:03,670
Education is cheaper than incarceration.

1970
03:03:04,630 --> 03:03:06,610
Announce the prevention as we're the pound of cure.

1971
03:03:07,630 --> 03:03:09,750
Don't cry about juvenile detention needing money

1972
03:03:10,130 --> 03:03:11,270
when you close a library.

1973
03:03:12,550 --> 03:03:15,590
If we want a separate line for libraries, great.

1974
03:03:16,210 --> 03:03:19,010
But we need to fund it now, no matter what happens in November.

1975
03:03:19,710 --> 03:03:22,150
And I have a little more faith in that particular outcome.

1976
03:03:22,910 --> 03:03:26,190
And that's for looking forward, looking forward to a library,

1977
03:03:26,190 --> 03:03:35,930
to a county with less libraries means less civil engagement or homelessness, more illiteracy, less resources, more crime.

1978
03:03:36,790 --> 03:03:40,270
Keeping tax rates low means nothing without quality of life.

1979
03:03:40,810 --> 03:03:43,330
I am a homeowner, I will pay for what matters.

1980
03:03:45,010 --> 03:03:46,590
Can you talk about people not behaving?

1981
03:03:47,570 --> 03:03:50,130
I acknowledge that crime doesn't come from demonic possession.

1982
03:03:51,010 --> 03:03:55,850
stop criminalizing nonsense, invest in a society, fund the library,

1983
03:03:56,470 --> 03:04:01,610
no one will remember you for holding the line or for rollback or not dipping into the reserves.

1984
03:04:02,330 --> 03:04:06,950
People will remember if our quality of life goes down and we will vote accordingly.

1985
03:04:15,140 --> 03:04:20,040
Well, I'm Tanya Grunwell, it's GRUNWELL.

1986
03:04:20,480 --> 03:04:25,180
I'm a resident Brooksville and I'm also a teacher.

1987
03:04:25,180 --> 03:04:30,920
I am also a tutor who has met with students in West Fernando Library frequently.

1988
03:04:31,800 --> 03:04:33,340
I am also a homeschoolman.

1989
03:04:35,580 --> 03:04:39,460
I come to you today to represent that homeschool community.

1990
03:04:39,820 --> 03:04:44,160
When you think of libraries, I don't know how you can separate it from homeschool families.

1991
03:04:44,780 --> 03:04:47,760
These are lifelines for homeschool families.

1992
03:04:49,940 --> 03:04:51,860
Huge users of libraries.

1993
03:04:53,720 --> 03:04:59,660
Homeschool is booming in Florida if you know anything about the

1994
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:29,540
Step up for student scholarships that are available for homeschool families in Florida. You'll know that families are taking wide advantage of that. Which means we have more people in our county who are looking for services. They are looking to use those library programs, taking away that opportunity from West Fernando would be a tragedy for these families. Especially when you're talking about the Northwest

1995
03:05:29,540 --> 03:05:36,960
corner of our county, booming, that's what somebody was just talking about, all the community development that's going there.

1996
03:05:37,840 --> 03:05:41,820
I can't imagine that there aren't going to be families so we're going to move into those homes.

1997
03:05:44,280 --> 03:05:49,160
In my opinion, West Trinando is our best branch, especially for children.

1998
03:05:50,940 --> 03:05:55,780
I can't tell you how many children, how many families I've seen there,

1999
03:05:55,780 --> 03:06:01,680
are taking advantage of so many of the resources and programs that are available.

2000
03:06:03,520 --> 03:06:08,860
Not only have I also done this, but I also spent almost a decade as a children's library

2001
03:06:08,860 --> 03:06:13,820
and in my hometown in Segnon, Michigan, part of it in an inner city library.

2002
03:06:15,910 --> 03:06:16,720
Libraries are community.

2003
03:06:17,780 --> 03:06:22,200
If you want, just as he just said before me, if you want that number of juvenile detention

2004
03:06:22,200 --> 03:06:24,640
to come down, you invest in your community.

2005
03:06:24,640 --> 03:06:27,940
you invest in your kids, you invest in your families.

2006
03:06:28,580 --> 03:06:31,660
I saw that firsthand working with those kids.

2007
03:06:31,920 --> 03:06:32,800
You are in their lifeline.

2008
03:06:33,200 --> 03:06:35,260
You see these kids sometimes every day.

2009
03:06:35,780 --> 03:06:37,820
They just come, they just want to hang out with you because you're safe.

2010
03:06:39,920 --> 03:06:41,680
I can't say enough about that.

2011
03:06:43,940 --> 03:06:46,300
In my hometown, we have our own library village.

2012
03:06:46,760 --> 03:06:49,200
I would implore you to please do that.

2013
03:06:49,400 --> 03:06:52,960
I cannot believe that this county does not have its library

2014
03:06:52,960 --> 03:06:56,700
as a separate millage item. I cannot believe it.

2015
03:06:59,160 --> 03:07:02,320
Please think outside of the box, think

2016
03:07:02,320 --> 03:07:09,560
of some other way to find a solution other than closing Western Endow Library.

2017
03:07:10,340 --> 03:07:10,620
Thank you.

2018
03:07:15,660 --> 03:07:23,440
Good afternoon. My name is Nicole Salorino. That's S-A-V-E-R-I-N-O. In our opening prayer,

2019
03:07:23,440 --> 03:07:28,120
Mr. Ambassador mentioned wanting to do what is best for the community and Mr. Rogers

2020
03:07:28,120 --> 03:07:32,100
you said that we have to think about where we want to be in the future.

2021
03:07:32,500 --> 03:07:34,460
So I want you guys to consider those two statements.

2022
03:07:35,620 --> 03:07:40,020
Libraries are essential for the heart of a community in a world that is increasingly

2023
03:07:40,020 --> 03:07:42,260
divided, libraries build community.

2024
03:07:42,700 --> 03:07:47,340
The library is where we can come together for book clubs, learn new skills and teach our

2025
03:07:47,340 --> 03:07:48,820
children about the love of breeding.

2026
03:07:48,820 --> 03:07:53,320
We get to watch them experience the joy of finding a new book on the shelf.

2027
03:07:54,480 --> 03:08:03,800
Mr. Campbell, you had mentioned our kids are being neglected in a lot of ways where else but the library can our youth spend safe quality time, come rain or shine.

2028
03:08:04,980 --> 03:08:12,480
The joy and peace that a library brings is endless and before you start reminding us that it's not our only library.

2029
03:08:14,100 --> 03:08:19,340
I'd like to mention Mr. Olokov had said that it is perfectly located.

2030
03:08:19,760 --> 03:08:24,540
The community's north of it are getting bigger and how far should our residents have to

2031
03:08:24,540 --> 03:08:29,940
drive to get to these services, how far should our teens have to drive to enjoy the quiet

2032
03:08:29,940 --> 03:08:30,800
of a library.

2033
03:08:31,580 --> 03:08:34,360
It is such a great place to raise good citizens.

2034
03:08:35,960 --> 03:08:48,060
Several of you have mentioned that high homeownership and homesteaded properties here might be some kind of a bad thing for the budget, but it means people are invested in raising their families here.

2035
03:08:49,020 --> 03:08:58,780
There is an ever increasing number of families to use a homeschool, their children, so please keep in mind that more and more of our children will grow up in these very libraries.

2036
03:09:04,740 --> 03:09:11,980
Thank you all for clarifying what it meant to take money from the reserve fund and how you

2037
03:09:11,980 --> 03:09:18,960
do have like a higher than average savings account to start with, but with the money that

2038
03:09:18,960 --> 03:09:25,660
we spent on body cameras from last year, I as a homeowner would not be able to just spend

2039
03:09:25,660 --> 03:09:30,640
my emergency fund money on security cameras from my house that would be something I'd have to

2040
03:09:30,640 --> 03:09:36,920
save up for. So just having trouble understanding why that constitutes as an emergency purchase

2041
03:09:37,880 --> 03:09:42,760
over funding the library. It just it doesn't make sense to me and I wouldn't be able to do that as a

2042
03:09:42,760 --> 03:09:43,140
homeowner.

2043
03:09:45,440 --> 03:09:49,340
And then please color correct me if I'm wrong because it's just something that I heard as

2044
03:09:49,340 --> 03:09:59,280
As I whisper around town, but I heard that you all have approved the purchase of 671 South Front Street with the intention to rehome some government buildings.

2045
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:19,320
Or some government offices. I bring that up because it is currently listed on the property appraiser website as having a market value of $2.7 million. So we would have to pay that. But if we kept those offices where they are, that money could be used to fund the library for five years.

2046
03:10:21,560 --> 03:10:22,280
Thank you.

2047
03:10:35,650 --> 03:10:39,610
I was going to put this down on the projector, but I won't.

2048
03:10:39,690 --> 03:10:40,510
No, don't do that.

2049
03:10:40,670 --> 03:10:41,190
That's right.

2050
03:10:41,750 --> 03:10:42,790
This is my granddaughter.

2051
03:10:43,650 --> 03:10:46,950
And my flat, me sitting in a rocking chair,

2052
03:10:47,490 --> 03:10:49,930
reading to her, before she's two years old.

2053
03:10:51,410 --> 03:10:52,130
And readers are reading.

2054
03:10:57,570 --> 03:10:59,610
I think we all know what a library is.

2055
03:10:59,770 --> 03:11:01,730
It does have books, but it has so much more.

2056
03:11:01,850 --> 03:11:02,810
And we've all said that.

2057
03:11:03,510 --> 03:11:03,910
All right.

2058
03:11:04,190 --> 03:11:08,690
Today, libraries have computers and printers.

2059
03:11:08,690 --> 03:11:13,410
is my husband has had to go to you to the library just for a paper but I have a printer now.

2060
03:11:15,630 --> 03:11:20,050
I love books. I was a teacher for 30 years,

2061
03:11:26,200 --> 03:11:27,860
especially some

2062
03:11:29,970 --> 03:11:31,090
of my favorite books,

2063
03:11:33,470 --> 03:11:40,290
reading and not showed you my granddaughter. I had two books that are, oh probably over 65 years old.

2064
03:11:40,290 --> 03:11:40,990
Then

2065
03:11:43,070 --> 03:11:46,510
I got my third grade and I've had all my life.

2066
03:11:52,130 --> 03:11:55,570
Man, would you mind telling us, I'm going to pause your time for a minute, would you

2067
03:11:55,570 --> 03:11:57,750
mind telling us what those two books are?

2068
03:11:59,150 --> 03:12:02,430
If I were going and I read this one and that gave me

2069
03:12:02,430 --> 03:12:06,370
to want to travel the world because it has other countries in it.

2070
03:12:06,370 --> 03:12:06,770
Very cool.

2071
03:12:07,050 --> 03:12:08,470
That's right.

2072
03:12:10,530 --> 03:12:12,170
Is Betty June and her friends.

2073
03:12:12,530 --> 03:12:12,750
Okay.

2074
03:12:12,750 --> 03:12:17,730
Now that teaches about, you know, friendship, love, and caring.

2075
03:12:19,210 --> 03:12:23,750
And I can't believe I moved three times or more.

2076
03:12:24,210 --> 03:12:25,610
But these books came with me.

2077
03:12:28,820 --> 03:12:31,220
Libraries are important for both kids and adults.

2078
03:12:31,680 --> 03:12:35,200
There are clubs. I have two friends here that are in book clubs.

2079
03:12:36,260 --> 03:12:37,680
And they've already spoken.

2080
03:12:39,100 --> 03:12:43,860
I heard that the Spring Hill Library, as we were talking,

2081
03:12:43,860 --> 03:12:47,600
and it's going to increase how many people they have to accommodate.

2082
03:12:47,940 --> 03:12:53,020
I hear now 500 people a day are in there, 501 day for

2083
03:12:55,230 --> 03:12:56,650
more than that and all right.

2084
03:12:59,820 --> 03:13:03,300
I use the library as a place to tutor after I retire teaching.

2085
03:13:07,540 --> 03:13:09,160
Books are near and dear to my heart.

2086
03:13:09,800 --> 03:13:10,600
I read every day.

2087
03:13:11,580 --> 03:13:12,620
I have so many books.

2088
03:13:13,440 --> 03:13:19,620
I got adult books, cookbooks, help books, Bible reference books, animal books, love stories

2089
03:13:19,620 --> 03:13:20,300
and mistress.

2090
03:13:20,300 --> 03:13:31,080
interest. I want to know why. You have to close the library. Why? West library or any library.

2091
03:13:32,040 --> 03:13:37,820
I heard seven employees going to leave out a job when you close West library. Is it all about money?

2092
03:13:39,280 --> 03:13:45,900
I heard you get our condition.work but can't somebody else do something about that? If it's broken, fix it.

2093
03:13:46,760 --> 03:13:48,700
You say not many people go there?

2094
03:13:48,960 --> 03:13:52,300
Well, I just told you, over 500 go to Spring Hill Library.

2095
03:13:52,820 --> 03:13:55,840
I don't know how many went to West, but I imagine it was quite a few.

2096
03:13:56,960 --> 03:13:59,780
There has to be some other way to solve this problem.

2097
03:14:00,420 --> 03:14:01,940
There's so many homes being built.

2098
03:14:02,080 --> 03:14:02,960
We just talked about that.

2099
03:14:03,380 --> 03:14:04,980
All these homes are going to be in Texas.

2100
03:14:05,980 --> 03:14:09,500
There should be, there are state money and federal money set aside for libraries.

2101
03:14:10,060 --> 03:14:11,580
We talked about grants and bonds.

2102
03:14:12,040 --> 03:14:13,400
There must be another way.

2103
03:14:16,520 --> 03:14:18,240
Anyway, you know what, I'm worried.

2104
03:14:18,840 --> 03:14:20,860
This is the first library you close in West.

2105
03:14:21,420 --> 03:14:21,960
There's three more.

2106
03:14:22,740 --> 03:14:24,460
You just said the other one, what Spring Hill?

2107
03:14:25,140 --> 03:14:26,140
It might be next year.

2108
03:14:27,360 --> 03:14:30,700
What are these kids, and parents, and people going to go?

2109
03:14:31,240 --> 03:14:33,340
You know how many homeschool kids there are?

2110
03:14:33,660 --> 03:14:34,220
Thank you, ma'am.

2111
03:14:34,660 --> 03:14:35,540
All right.

2112
03:14:35,780 --> 03:14:36,800
Thank you very much.

2113
03:14:36,920 --> 03:14:37,660
Just please.

2114
03:14:38,120 --> 03:14:39,080
Think about what you're doing.

2115
03:14:39,520 --> 03:14:41,760
I have a statue. I'm just going to look

2116
03:14:43,940 --> 03:14:46,820
at the marble arena book or somebody.

2117
03:14:47,200 --> 03:14:50,820
The boy has a soccer ball. She said, you guys listen to this book for a week like this.

2118
03:14:53,660 --> 03:14:54,400
Thank you.

2119
03:14:57,110 --> 03:14:59,690
Probably because I got a swollen foot and I had it off this point.

2120
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:01,880
I canceled it to be here. Thank you, ma'am.

2121
03:15:08,150 --> 03:15:08,950
He's right here.

2122
03:15:14,090 --> 03:15:16,250
Good afternoon. My name is Scott Waldron,

2123
03:15:16,430 --> 03:15:22,750
w-a-l-p-r-o-n. You served my district. I came here today,

2124
03:15:25,630 --> 03:15:43,390
but it turns out it's a figure budget issue taxes. Not certain? We don't know anything.

2125
03:15:44,210 --> 03:15:49,550
I, as a homeowner, I'm with you, extra money will go great in my pocket instead of years.

2126
03:15:50,330 --> 03:15:51,150
I would say yes.

2127
03:15:51,890 --> 03:15:57,710
But, again, as homestead, we are building larger communities, renters, still paying taxes.

2128
03:15:58,270 --> 03:16:01,430
You still have your commercial taxes and everything else that are going to be brought in.

2129
03:16:01,530 --> 03:16:05,270
We got more businesses coming to Hernando County than we have in decades.

2130
03:16:06,190 --> 03:16:08,070
I've lived here 48

2131
03:16:13,100 --> 03:16:14,280
years.

2132
03:16:16,240 --> 03:16:20,140
So, all around this library, I don't

2133
03:16:25,930 --> 03:16:29,850
think that the tax issue is going to be as big as it is.

2134
03:16:30,330 --> 03:16:35,190
I agree we need to plan. We need to budget, we need to go and prepare for the worst.

2135
03:16:36,470 --> 03:16:42,250
I don't agree with taking the library to social skills, social programs, everything.

2136
03:16:46,310 --> 03:16:52,110
Libraries also do one of the only places you can buy a physical bus pass for

2137
03:16:52,110 --> 03:16:56,950
the month. You got people who can't go to one bus can't go to get

2138
03:16:56,950 --> 03:17:03,430
prescriptions can't whatever you're gonna go in devastated community. If we

2139
03:17:03,430 --> 03:17:13,170
need to raise money we organize today volunteers we need to step up if we need

2140
03:17:13,170 --> 03:17:16,690
We need to put your money where your mouth is, which don't he?

2141
03:17:17,530 --> 03:17:21,650
Find him money, keep the place open, keep all our libraries open.

2142
03:17:24,790 --> 03:17:25,170
Thank you, sir.

2143
03:17:33,010 --> 03:17:41,510
Hello, my name is Vivian Garner, G-A-R-N-E-R, and I am retired teacher, 28 years.

2144
03:17:42,430 --> 03:17:47,390
And I came today because I heard about this decision about closing the Western

2145
03:17:47,390 --> 03:17:55,550
Fernando Library. I'm a grandmother, I'm a mother, and I also am a reader.

2146
03:17:57,950 --> 03:17:58,910
The Board

2147
03:17:58,910 --> 03:18:05,970
of County Commissioners has a very difficult job, and I can see that from today, from listening

2148
03:18:05,970 --> 03:18:11,210
to all of your presentations. You're kind of caught between a rock and a hard place from

2149
03:18:11,210 --> 03:18:18,570
what to do. The decision in November and the ballot that's going to happen, we don't

2150
03:18:18,570 --> 03:18:22,370
know what's going to happen. And I understand they're trying to change a language and they're

2151
03:18:22,370 --> 03:18:28,190
not sure what they're going to do. It does put the counties in a very difficult and the cities

2152
03:18:28,190 --> 03:18:36,470
in a difficult position on how to fund their programs. Now I have a son who has very high

2153
03:18:36,470 --> 03:18:45,150
property taxes. He's paying over $5,000 a year so I understand how he needs some tax relief

2154
03:18:45,150 --> 03:18:51,410
and I understand what the governor's trying to do but we can't get rid of essential programs

2155
03:18:51,910 --> 03:18:59,390
for all of our citizens that they need and libraries is one of the most essential. I had two grandchildren

2156
03:18:59,390 --> 03:19:06,910
children that went during the summer program, and they did the 24-hour program for reading.

2157
03:19:07,430 --> 03:19:08,830
It goes through the raise.

2158
03:19:09,350 --> 03:19:14,590
If you read 24 hours during the summertime, you get a free ticket to a raise game.

2159
03:19:15,210 --> 03:19:17,930
And they filled this out, and they read their program.

2160
03:19:18,250 --> 03:19:20,870
That's just one program that the library is doing.

2161
03:19:20,870 --> 03:19:29,810
And it's essential, the mission statement for the library is to provide space where all

2162
03:19:29,810 --> 03:19:37,330
are welcome to discover, to create, and learn through innovative technology and resources.

2163
03:19:38,690 --> 03:19:44,210
Now, we've got to be able to do that for all the citizens, whether it be for adults that

2164
03:19:44,210 --> 03:19:48,470
need to come in and use a computer or access to the Internet.

2165
03:19:48,470 --> 03:19:51,070
Some people don't have internet at their houses.

2166
03:19:51,390 --> 03:19:54,550
They need to come to your libraries to use that internet.

2167
03:19:55,170 --> 03:19:59,470
They also need to look for jobs or go online.

2168
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:29,660
Or maybe just to read the newspaper and see what jobs are available out there. So, it's important that they have these opportunities. Little children say toddlers, they have programs for them to read books with the people who are in the work of the library and the parents come in. Maybe they're a single mom and they have a program that they come to be able to read with their children. These things are the most

2169
03:20:29,660 --> 03:20:35,680
essential things that you people can provide for them. We cannot close these programs. We've got

2170
03:20:35,680 --> 03:20:40,880
to find a way to be able to fund them. And I brought some books that I love.

2171
03:20:58,960 --> 03:20:59,640
And I wanted to just

2172
03:20:59,640 --> 03:21:05,620
our Bush and Jenna Bush, and these kind of books are real important, and these are things

2173
03:21:05,620 --> 03:21:09,160
that I've had my whole life, and I'm not going to get rid of them because I love books

2174
03:21:09,160 --> 03:21:09,700
so much.

2175
03:21:10,060 --> 03:21:10,480
Thank you, man.

2176
03:21:10,960 --> 03:21:11,300
Thank you.

2177
03:21:23,260 --> 03:21:28,920
My name is Lauren Burrito, B-A-R-R-E-T-O. I'm a pediatric speech language pathologist.

2178
03:21:29,740 --> 03:21:34,360
Every day, I work with children who are learning how to communicate, how to understand language,

2179
03:21:34,800 --> 03:21:37,000
how to read, how to succeed academically.

2180
03:21:37,600 --> 03:21:43,440
I see first-hand that literacy is not just a school issue, it affects a child's

2181
03:21:43,440 --> 03:21:50,440
entire future. And that is why we are all here asking you today to reconsider

2182
03:21:50,440 --> 03:21:55,420
the proposed closure of the West Fernando Branch Library. Closing this branch

2183
03:21:55,420 --> 03:22:01,460
may save approximately $500,000 on the budget, but the true cost to our

2184
03:22:01,460 --> 03:22:05,920
community will be much greater. As everyone else has said, a library is not just a

2185
03:22:05,920 --> 03:22:10,140
place where people check out books, is where children discover a love of reading, where

2186
03:22:10,140 --> 03:22:14,860
a student without internet at home can complete homework, study, apply for colleges.

2187
03:22:16,220 --> 03:22:21,260
It's where a job seeker can apply for employment, a senior can access technology, families can

2188
03:22:21,260 --> 03:22:25,740
attend educational programs, residents can find resources, they may not have anywhere else.

2189
03:22:26,660 --> 03:22:31,100
As a professional who works with children and literacy every day, I am deeply concerned

2190
03:22:31,100 --> 03:22:35,540
about reducing access to these services when your community needs them so much.

2191
03:22:36,180 --> 03:22:38,660
Hernando County is already facing literacy challenges.

2192
03:22:39,240 --> 03:22:47,480
In 2025, 53% of Hernando County students scored three or above on the fast.

2193
03:22:48,300 --> 03:22:53,140
That's nearly half of our students that are still struggling with reading skills that are critical to their success.

2194
03:22:53,880 --> 03:22:59,520
When literacy rates are concerned, we should be expanding opportunities for learning and not reducing them.

2195
03:23:00,460 --> 03:23:06,980
What concerns me even more is that this proposal comes at a time when the county itself recognizes that her nana county is growing.

2196
03:23:07,420 --> 03:23:10,960
The county is adding positions in other departments to make the needs of that growth.

2197
03:23:11,360 --> 03:23:18,080
If our population is increasing, why would we reduce access to one of the resources that helps support growing families, students, and residents?

2198
03:23:19,100 --> 03:23:22,580
We've also heard the suggestion residents can use Spring Hill Branch instead.

2199
03:23:23,220 --> 03:23:26,260
But access isn't about whether another building simply exists.

2200
03:23:26,260 --> 03:23:28,860
It's whether they can realistically get there.

2201
03:23:29,420 --> 03:23:33,460
For a working parent, a senior without reliable transportation, a student who needs resources

2202
03:23:33,460 --> 03:23:38,560
close to home, or a family with limited options, distance can be the difference between receiving

2203
03:23:38,560 --> 03:23:40,040
a service and going without it.

2204
03:23:42,460 --> 03:23:47,660
Before closing an entire branch and eliminating seven library positions, I respectfully ask

2205
03:23:47,660 --> 03:23:49,860
the commissioners to look for other solutions.

2206
03:23:50,460 --> 03:23:55,100
A decision that saves money today should not create a greater cost for our future.

2207
03:23:55,720 --> 03:24:05,960
Canada County is obviously growing. Our children are depending on us, our families are depending on us, and choose to invest in education, literacy and opportunity by keeping all of our branches open.

2208
03:24:06,880 --> 03:24:07,640
Thank you, ma'am.

2209
03:24:28,040 --> 03:24:36,380
Hello, my name is Katie Long, L-O-N-G. I'm here for the obvious reasons, because how much

2210
03:24:36,380 --> 03:24:42,840
we value the West Fernando branch. It is the largest children's library section in

2211
03:24:42,840 --> 03:24:49,060
county. We also home school. I have three children at home school and we also

2212
03:24:49,060 --> 03:24:54,700
participated in that lovely reading for the raised program and the

2213
03:24:54,700 --> 03:24:59,960
thousand minutes of reading and we went to the main branch because we couldn't.

2214
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:29,180
We're going to go to the West Fernando. And they're with the first one at the branch to finish because of how much they love the library. We go every week, every week. And before that branch closed, we were going every week, where we would do our lessons, get books, check out, we check out what 50 books every time we go, every single time, we do every program we can. And basically, all my thoughts just echo,

2215
03:25:29,180 --> 03:25:32,200
So I couldn't what everyone else has said about it.

2216
03:25:34,620 --> 03:25:36,380
This is my daughter, Gwendolyn.

2217
03:25:37,760 --> 03:25:40,860
She has a seventh grade rating level.

2218
03:25:41,220 --> 03:25:41,900
She is seven.

2219
03:25:48,000 --> 03:25:51,560
Every day for an hour at least.

2220
03:25:52,660 --> 03:25:53,700
Keep that up.

2221
03:25:53,920 --> 03:25:55,120
Gwendolyn, what's your favorite book?

2222
03:25:56,300 --> 03:25:57,040
What would you like to say?

2223
03:25:57,540 --> 03:26:03,200
I want to say that I don't want you to get rid of the West

2224
03:26:03,200 --> 03:26:10,520
It's Fernando Library because it has the biggest child room and it has the best books that I ever bought there.

2225
03:26:11,300 --> 03:26:12,260
Awesome, great job.

2226
03:26:15,650 --> 03:26:22,170
Many of the, we go to Spring Hill right now because that's where we have to pick up and most of the stuff that we reserve,

2227
03:26:22,390 --> 03:26:24,650
it's from the last Fernando branch.

2228
03:26:24,950 --> 03:26:27,910
So what would happen to all those books that closed out? Where would they go?

2229
03:26:29,350 --> 03:26:32,730
We don't want to keep buying books, right?

2230
03:26:32,730 --> 03:26:36,210
We want to use the resources that we have in the community.

2231
03:26:36,810 --> 03:26:37,170
Thank you.

2232
03:26:37,550 --> 03:26:38,030
Thank you.

2233
03:26:38,330 --> 03:26:38,790
Great job.

2234
03:26:39,990 --> 03:26:40,470
Hello,

2235
03:26:48,310 --> 03:26:50,470
my name is Mary Lynch, a white NCH.

2236
03:26:51,490 --> 03:26:53,210
I've been educated for over 30 years.

2237
03:26:53,370 --> 03:26:54,470
I'm a school of my eight children.

2238
03:26:55,130 --> 03:26:58,510
Most of them to the, you know, this library.

2239
03:26:58,890 --> 03:27:01,490
When we moved down 20, over 20 years ago.

2240
03:27:01,990 --> 03:27:05,450
About 15 years ago, I heard a rumor that there was going to be a books of million.

2241
03:27:05,450 --> 03:27:11,870
It was when Panera was opening up on 50 and I was like yes, because I will take all my

2242
03:27:11,870 --> 03:27:16,610
kids and we'll go down to that book's million and I love it and go the children's section

2243
03:27:16,610 --> 03:27:17,390
wonderful.

2244
03:27:18,030 --> 03:27:19,250
Books are expensive.

2245
03:27:19,630 --> 03:27:21,430
I have a library full of them myself.

2246
03:27:22,610 --> 03:27:28,410
I didn't buy books all the time but what I did do is I bought a coffee every time I went

2247
03:27:28,410 --> 03:27:28,710
down.

2248
03:27:28,990 --> 03:27:34,130
So my suggestion I said I love the library but man it needs a coffee shop.

2249
03:27:34,130 --> 03:27:43,170
So, I looked it up. Is it possible? Could. And yeah, look at Google says, yes, a private coffee shop can open at a private library.

2250
03:27:43,470 --> 03:27:50,010
And many modern public libraries partner with private vendors or local businesses to operate on-site cafes.

2251
03:27:50,590 --> 03:27:58,110
Okay, so there you go. And something, you know, obviously it wouldn't be able to bring everything that needs to be to have a library.

2252
03:27:58,110 --> 03:28:03,770
But, you know, maybe something and then maybe even more people, you know, to come by.

2253
03:28:04,070 --> 03:28:04,870
Okay, there you go.

2254
03:28:05,010 --> 03:28:05,990
Thank you for your time.

2255
03:28:06,230 --> 03:28:06,590
Thank you, ma'am.

2256
03:28:11,100 --> 03:28:15,160
Hi, my name is Amanda McParlin, MC, F-A-R-L-A-N.

2257
03:28:15,540 --> 03:28:17,560
Please excuse if my voice is shaky.

2258
03:28:17,660 --> 03:28:22,360
Public speaking is like my least favorite thing that you could ask me to ever do.

2259
03:28:23,400 --> 03:28:24,760
So I wrote everything down.

2260
03:28:25,960 --> 03:28:30,940
My first question would be, I know that the branch first shut down in summer

2261
03:28:30,940 --> 03:28:33,720
because of the air conditioning going out for half of the building.

2262
03:28:34,420 --> 03:28:42,040
And I was wondering, I think I could be wrong that the air conditioning is in place to be replaced for that building already.

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03:28:42,340 --> 03:28:48,920
So if it does get fixed, now we have a building sitting empty without the air running perfectly fine.

2264
03:28:49,020 --> 03:28:55,380
And now it's just empty when it could be used or I'm sure it will be reallocated to be used for something else.

2265
03:28:55,900 --> 03:28:58,640
But I think the library is obviously the best option.

2266
03:28:59,620 --> 03:29:04,280
I'm not going to pretend like I'm qualified to talk about the budget with you, but this

2267
03:29:04,280 --> 03:29:08,000
is just my personal testimonial for this particular branch of the library.

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03:29:08,860 --> 03:29:13,060
My kids love for reading and books started when I started taking them to the library

2269
03:29:13,060 --> 03:29:16,580
at the West Fernando branch and they learned that they could check out however many books

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03:29:16,580 --> 03:29:21,320
that they wanted because usually we go to the stores and we go only spend $5, get one thing

2271
03:29:21,320 --> 03:29:27,260
and they are so excited that they could just get a whole bag and then they can keep recycling

2272
03:29:27,260 --> 03:29:27,660
them.

2273
03:29:28,920 --> 03:29:36,060
So now I'm just going to read the email that I sent out because it seems like you probably

2274
03:29:36,060 --> 03:29:38,080
did not get to it since you got so many of them.

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03:29:39,060 --> 03:29:43,260
My main argument for keeping our amazing library is the fact that it hands down has the

2276
03:29:43,260 --> 03:29:44,100
best children's area.

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03:29:44,620 --> 03:29:49,320
I live in the Spring Hill side of Sterling Hills in Hernando County and the only reasonably

2278
03:29:49,320 --> 03:29:52,920
close library other than West Hernando is the Spring Hill branch.

2279
03:29:52,920 --> 03:29:59,880
And while it's a maze, it's a nice library. The kids area in that branch is nothing compared to the western.

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03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:29,860
It's the size of, like, these benches, and it's closed off with walls, and you just can't really enjoy it in there. If you have a couple of families in there, there isn't any more room for anyone else. The amount of books in the small space is minimal. Even if books from the West Fernando branch get dispersed there, there isn't room for them. Browsing online for books be sent to be picked up isn't in the spirit of a public library. The experience is all about browsing the shelves,

2281
03:30:29,860 --> 03:30:32,140
and finding a book, not doing internet research

2282
03:30:32,140 --> 03:30:34,360
to see what books are available and just picking it up.

2283
03:30:34,920 --> 03:30:36,940
We need libraries, especially great libraries,

2284
03:30:37,100 --> 03:30:38,460
like the Western Handle Branch for Kids.

2285
03:30:38,800 --> 03:30:41,260
We used the Western Handle Branch all the time

2286
03:30:41,260 --> 03:30:43,680
and have been disappointed that we haven't been able

2287
03:30:43,680 --> 03:30:44,640
to use it during the summer.

2288
03:30:45,120 --> 03:30:47,440
The thought of it not being there anymore is truly upsetting.

2289
03:30:47,980 --> 03:30:49,880
They put on so many events, which is essential

2290
03:30:49,880 --> 03:30:52,840
for a sense of community, especially since my kids do school.

2291
03:30:53,000 --> 03:30:54,700
Virtually, they do a lot of virtual school.

2292
03:30:55,820 --> 03:30:58,840
It may be the easy option to just close it to save money,

2293
03:30:58,840 --> 03:31:03,460
but sometimes you need to take the road less traveled and work a little harder for the greater good.

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03:31:03,960 --> 03:31:04,260
Thank you.

2295
03:31:04,500 --> 03:31:05,080
Thank you.

2296
03:31:10,850 --> 03:31:12,850
Hi, my name is Elliott McFarlane.

2297
03:31:13,350 --> 03:31:15,870
I'm CF-A-R-L-A-N.

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03:31:16,390 --> 03:31:17,350
I just want to say,

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03:31:18,090 --> 03:31:21,430
me and my family love going to the Western Aino Branch Library

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03:31:22,150 --> 03:31:23,250
because the library,

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03:31:23,790 --> 03:31:25,810
the kids' section is huge.

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03:31:26,590 --> 03:31:27,630
And when it's closed,

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03:31:27,990 --> 03:31:31,170
we have to check out our books at the Sterling Hill Library.

2304
03:31:31,170 --> 03:31:37,610
and my sister wants just to go browse there and we see that it's super small and

2305
03:31:38,670 --> 03:31:44,590
like it can only fit like three kids and one adult so we're super disappointed

2306
03:31:44,590 --> 03:31:47,330
that the western end of library is closing.

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03:31:48,290 --> 03:31:49,270
Awesome job.

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03:31:50,430 --> 03:31:51,030
Kelly,

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03:31:53,840 --> 03:31:56,600
before you leave, can you tell us what your favorite book is?

2310
03:31:58,910 --> 03:32:00,970
I like the new girl's panties books.

2311
03:32:01,850 --> 03:32:02,150
Awesome.

2312
03:32:02,490 --> 03:32:03,410
Thank you.

2313
03:32:03,590 --> 03:32:04,110
Great job.

2314
03:32:04,110 --> 03:32:04,930
Hi,

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03:32:08,930 --> 03:32:15,810
my name is Ariana King Aldrich, K-I-N-G Space-A-L-D-R-I-C-H.

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03:32:16,410 --> 03:32:20,390
I have been a Spring Hill resident and I have been going to the West Hernando for

2317
03:32:20,390 --> 03:32:20,730
an instance.

2318
03:32:20,830 --> 03:32:26,270
I was six years old, but there's more than just nostalgia that makes this library important

2319
03:32:26,270 --> 03:32:28,570
as all of those before me have pointed out.

2320
03:32:29,470 --> 03:32:34,790
I am a social worker and I work for the Hernando County School District and the students and

2321
03:32:34,790 --> 03:32:41,910
families that I work with every day go to the West Fernando Branch Library. Many have told me

2322
03:32:41,910 --> 03:32:47,670
that they are upset about the potential closing because of many barriers that could not get them

2323
03:32:47,670 --> 03:32:51,990
to this meeting today, being the same ones that would not be able to get them to an alternative

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03:32:51,990 --> 03:32:58,530
library if the West Fernando Branch is close. Many before me have discussed the importance of literacy.

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03:32:58,530 --> 03:33:05,230
For many, literacy starts at the library reading time and exposure to books before they even

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03:33:05,230 --> 03:33:06,290
start going to school.

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03:33:07,410 --> 03:33:11,690
You have presented that the budget is tight, there are many mandated costs, and in times

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03:33:11,690 --> 03:33:16,490
of need, I would like to see our local government be open with our community and work with the

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03:33:16,490 --> 03:33:19,970
community to try to figure out ways to support our libraries.

2330
03:33:20,550 --> 03:33:28,510
So together as a community, I think it is important to ask how to save the library, how can

2331
03:33:28,510 --> 03:33:30,910
To save the library with less impact to the budget,

2332
03:33:31,550 --> 03:33:33,070
there was a discussion of grants.

2333
03:33:33,510 --> 03:33:34,650
Who finds these grants?

2334
03:33:35,010 --> 03:33:38,430
Are there grants available for libraries or parks?

2335
03:33:39,230 --> 03:33:41,790
A brief review of the Hernano County Library website

2336
03:33:42,250 --> 03:33:44,350
showed me that there's a form that has to be filled out

2337
03:33:44,350 --> 03:33:47,730
for donations and that hard copy has to be brought in.

2338
03:33:48,150 --> 03:33:52,110
Is there a way that we could have a digital option?

2339
03:33:52,550 --> 03:33:55,610
If we want to donate to our library,

2340
03:33:55,910 --> 03:33:57,030
let's try to make it easier.

2341
03:33:57,830 --> 03:34:02,310
Are there ways to increase revenue to help sustain a library such as

2342
03:34:02,310 --> 03:34:07,370
many machines, sponsors for community agencies and families where those

2343
03:34:07,370 --> 03:34:11,230
businesses can be displayed like we do at our schools. We have banners up.

2344
03:34:11,770 --> 03:34:16,010
Businesses pay for those to be there. Can community members volunteer for

2345
03:34:16,010 --> 03:34:20,050
some things that could be removed from the budget like painting or businesses

2346
03:34:20,050 --> 03:34:23,370
that may donate labor to help with the air conditioning?

2347
03:34:24,370 --> 03:34:28,970
A post on social media is why I was aware of this meeting today in the potential closing

2348
03:34:28,970 --> 03:34:30,630
of the West Fernando Branch Library.

2349
03:34:31,350 --> 03:34:38,610
Using these tools and these ideas in any similar ideas and using this as a stepping stone

2350
03:34:38,610 --> 03:34:43,750
could be beneficial not only to the West Fernando branch but to all of our libraries and our

2351
03:34:43,750 --> 03:34:44,110
county.

2352
03:34:44,970 --> 03:34:50,290
These may be small ideas in a grand budget, but many small steps can create big impacts.

2353
03:34:50,970 --> 03:34:51,270
Thank you.

2354
03:34:51,270 --> 03:34:52,410
Thank you, ma'am.

2355
03:34:55,440 --> 03:34:59,980
Before you start, ma'am, I just want to mention Valley and your

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03:35:03,820 --> 03:35:18,560
Over here on the left hand side, Ms. Brady has. So feel free to get those to be of life. Thank you. Hi, Jessica Hare, H-A-H-E-R. I'm on the Library Advisory Committee,

2357
03:35:18,560 --> 03:35:24,780
a past president of the Women's Club who established the first library in

2358
03:35:24,780 --> 03:35:31,820
Hernando County. And I want to book discussion groups and I love the library.

2359
03:35:32,500 --> 03:35:40,660
We have been award-winning, as was mentioned before, and this is not the first place

2360
03:35:40,660 --> 03:35:47,780
one should be looking to cut or to find more revenue is one of the things

2361
03:35:47,780 --> 03:35:52,740
that I've spoken a few times here about is the impact fees.

2362
03:35:53,820 --> 03:35:59,380
You talked about mosquito control was going to cost more because of all the extra people

2363
03:35:59,380 --> 03:36:05,920
that are moving here, the new buildings, but why doesn't impact fees cover that?

2364
03:36:06,980 --> 03:36:13,980
You said that the drainage was covered by the impact fees, supposedly, so why not?

2365
03:36:14,220 --> 03:36:15,680
The mosquito control as well.

2366
03:36:16,900 --> 03:36:24,880
So, yes, I would not go with sales tax increases, I would say this whole unanimous voting,

2367
03:36:25,180 --> 03:36:33,520
which is one of the reasons impact these won't go up, is also the rollback that you're

2368
03:36:33,520 --> 03:36:37,960
insisting upon here is also because you can't get a unanimous vote on it.

2369
03:36:37,960 --> 03:36:42,560
I mean, that idea is just ridiculous to me.

2370
03:36:43,520 --> 03:36:51,940
So if we're ending up with no property taxes because the state is going to take care

2371
03:36:51,940 --> 03:36:56,560
of it all, then none of this will happen.

2372
03:36:57,080 --> 03:36:59,020
It'll happen in some other way, I guess.

2373
03:36:59,760 --> 03:37:06,120
But then the MSPU that you talked about perhaps would be good for things like parks and libraries.

2374
03:37:06,120 --> 03:37:11,560
If we can't control it anymore and it all goes to Miami, because the state has control

2375
03:37:11,560 --> 03:37:17,200
of our property taxes, well then we've got to do some of those things to find the money

2376
03:37:17,200 --> 03:37:19,120
to keep our programs going.

2377
03:37:19,860 --> 03:37:20,520
Thank you.

2378
03:37:20,780 --> 03:37:21,380
Thank you, ma'am.

2379
03:37:25,480 --> 03:37:27,080
Good afternoon.

2380
03:37:27,540 --> 03:37:30,400
My name's Linda Morehouse, M-O-R-E-H-A-U-S-E.

2381
03:37:30,800 --> 03:37:33,820
And I agree with everything that's said in the libraries, but I'm not going to talk about

2382
03:37:33,820 --> 03:37:34,940
the libraries or change.

2383
03:37:36,460 --> 03:37:40,280
I've been thinking about what you're doing with the taxes and how we have to make money,

2384
03:37:40,480 --> 03:37:41,520
find money.

2385
03:37:42,080 --> 03:37:46,720
Just to give you a little bit of personal information, I spent 30 years trying to make sure that

2386
03:37:46,720 --> 03:37:48,020
I had to make my numbers.

2387
03:37:48,280 --> 03:37:53,420
I had to make numbers for two of the largest animal health companies in the world.

2388
03:37:54,200 --> 03:38:00,060
To tell you that I'm not giving you wine, my company was bought by Pfizer for $68 billion.

2389
03:38:00,920 --> 03:38:03,620
And my division was spun off for $2.2 billion.

2390
03:38:03,620 --> 03:38:08,760
dollars. I went from that manufacturing and development company to a distribution company

2391
03:38:08,760 --> 03:38:14,520
who is right now worth $4.7 billion dollars. During those times, my first company I was

2392
03:38:14,520 --> 03:38:21,720
salaried with bonus. My second one I was 100% commissioned. If I lost something, I had

2393
03:38:21,720 --> 03:38:27,920
to find it somewhere. I used my brain to find it somewhere. I found places that needed to

2394
03:38:27,920 --> 03:38:33,060
be plugged into. If I found a clinic that didn't have an X-ray machine, I plugged in an X-ray

2395
03:38:33,060 --> 03:38:36,700
machine. If I found somebody that wasn't used as our vaccines, I made sure they used

2396
03:38:36,700 --> 03:38:43,520
our vaccines. And I took a $2 million territory that $8 million in four years. If I'm finding

2397
03:38:43,520 --> 03:38:47,680
something to plug in somewhere, I'm going to give you some things that I've been thinking

2398
03:38:47,680 --> 03:38:54,780
about. I know a couple of you guys have electric cars. I get it. Your cars are 500 or 1000 pounds

2399
03:38:54,780 --> 03:38:59,640
heavier than my car. I pay 15 cents a gallon. You pay nothing. The electric company loves

2400
03:38:59,640 --> 03:39:05,680
you or the solar companies love you but I know love you. You're using our roads for free.

2401
03:39:06,560 --> 03:39:13,300
40 states in our country charged an extra annual registration fee for electric cars based on

2402
03:39:13,300 --> 03:39:22,240
their mileage that has to be turned in every time the registrations are bought or purchased. And if

2403
03:39:22,240 --> 03:39:28,320
you lie, you get fined. And some states that think you're trying to make it a felony. Every electric

2404
03:39:28,320 --> 03:39:32,400
car should be paying that $290 a year average.

2405
03:39:32,940 --> 03:39:39,980
It costs us an average of $200 every 10,000 miles to run a gas car, and gas tax is not

2406
03:39:39,980 --> 03:39:40,920
tires and all that.

2407
03:39:41,680 --> 03:39:46,520
Another thing is you're missing an awful lot of fees with our developers.

2408
03:39:47,180 --> 03:39:52,860
Right now if they tear down vegetation that's not approved, they should be paying about $500

2409
03:39:53,180 --> 03:39:53,780
per foot.

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03:39:53,780 --> 03:39:59,840
if they cut down an old tree there's supposed to be 15 trees per acre if they

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03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:29,980
We're going to cut down more than those trees. There are fines of up to $1,000 a day, $15,000 per violation, $500 per inch of trunk when they cut down an aged tree that they're not supposed to cut down. Then you want to talk about the fees for the tortoises that they're killing because I was told by a developer that it's cheaper to let those animals suffocate underground than it is to pay the relocation fees. So those relocation fees are high, but those fines

2412
03:40:29,980 --> 03:40:35,640
need to go up. Find the money. It's there. You're missing it. It's there.

2413
03:40:42,200 --> 03:40:47,740
I want to speak about you tearing down the Wisdom & Adult Library. I really like that

2414
03:40:47,740 --> 03:40:53,680
library and I just don't feel really good about it when you're going to tear it down.

2415
03:40:54,340 --> 03:40:57,280
So can you not tear it down, please?

2416
03:40:58,160 --> 03:41:00,260
Thank you, ma'am. Where do I live?

2417
03:41:05,890 --> 03:41:15,590
Hi, my name is Kyrie Denard, D-E-N-N-A-R-D, and I'm 12 years old, and these are some reasons why the library should stay open.

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03:41:16,930 --> 03:41:27,290
The library should stay open. The library is a good place, even if you're a good mood or a bad one. The library has been there all my life, and seeing it go would be so sad.

2419
03:41:27,290 --> 03:41:33,310
I used to be homeschooled there with my family and it always was a good it always was a good day

2420
03:41:33,830 --> 03:41:40,050
Sometimes we would even do arts and crafts and it would be a good time, too. The library is where I

2421
03:41:41,090 --> 03:41:45,850
Made my first friends those memories are valuable. Thank you. Great job

2422
03:42:08,670 --> 03:42:18,070
Okay. Good morning. Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is Javine Sunkit Brown, S U N K E T T hyphenated

2423
03:42:18,070 --> 03:42:25,810
brown. I definitely understand what you guys are talking about in cutting budgets. My nephew

2424
03:42:25,810 --> 03:42:30,370
is one of those individuals who is wind up at the medical examiner, so that is something that's

2425
03:42:30,370 --> 03:42:36,750
very powerful for me, bad people doing bad things, so I totally understand where the cuts

2426
03:42:36,750 --> 03:42:37,950
and things like that come in.

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03:42:38,510 --> 03:42:44,570
So my proposal to you guys would be, instead of cutting down and removing the western

2428
03:42:44,570 --> 03:42:51,310
and old library, create a community hub for it, to bring education, starting with freedom,

2429
03:42:52,130 --> 03:42:57,230
letting our residents really know about that, keeping all the resources that we currently

2430
03:42:57,230 --> 03:43:01,970
have there, keeping it free to our community, keeping the books in there, keeping the

2431
03:43:01,970 --> 03:43:05,810
furniture in there, keeping the computers in there, keeping everything exactly what it

2432
03:43:05,810 --> 03:43:10,470
is, which is zero impact for you guys, because you won't have to pack it up relocated

2433
03:43:10,470 --> 03:43:11,590
or anything of that nature.

2434
03:43:12,170 --> 03:43:16,970
It also keeps the community engaged and still being able, like my grandson just said, to be

2435
03:43:16,970 --> 03:43:21,370
able to be homeschool, be able to still keep those environments going on in there, but

2436
03:43:21,370 --> 03:43:26,250
vamp it, bring it to hawk awareness, bring stuff to this abuse awareness in there, bring

2437
03:43:26,250 --> 03:43:30,930
any other research that our residents need in the community there, and collaborate with

2438
03:43:30,930 --> 03:43:35,970
other businesses as well to use that same space that I used to right now. When I started

2439
03:43:35,970 --> 03:43:40,830
my nonprofit, they allowed me to come in there for free, have virtual support group meetings

2440
03:43:40,830 --> 03:43:45,190
there, all the from New Jersey, because I'm the director, board of directors that told you

2441
03:43:45,190 --> 03:43:50,410
before for NAMI New Jersey, so I held support groups for mental health for residents that far

2442
03:43:50,410 --> 03:43:55,990
from that library. And those librarians all seven of them know my grandson and my other

2443
03:43:55,990 --> 03:44:00,710
grandchildren and myself very, very well. And so when you've been there, like he said, his whole life

2444
03:44:00,710 --> 03:44:07,030
so is very important to maintain the work that was going on in there. And again, what I offered you

2445
03:44:07,030 --> 03:44:14,970
guys as a proposal to be able to bring a nonprofit, which is in the statues, I think 125.38, that you guys

2446
03:44:14,970 --> 03:44:21,890
can do a nominee and be able to lease it to a nonprofit and keep it still, what we were doing with it,

2447
03:44:21,890 --> 03:44:25,950
But being able to again extend other services there underneath of it.

2448
03:44:26,170 --> 03:44:26,610
Thank you.

2449
03:44:26,930 --> 03:44:27,590
Thank you, ma'am.

2450
03:44:32,300 --> 03:44:33,040
Good afternoon.

2451
03:44:33,160 --> 03:44:34,280
Diane Greenwell.

2452
03:44:35,060 --> 03:44:39,880
And I just want to bring it to your attention that on page four of your fiscal year budget

2453
03:44:39,880 --> 03:44:46,840
book, it reads the Board of County Commissioners has a responsibility to provide general government

2454
03:44:46,840 --> 03:44:53,360
services, fire, rescue, library services, building inspections, and then concludes which

2455
03:44:53,360 --> 03:44:57,440
which provide for the health, safety, and welfare of the citizens of Hernando County.

2456
03:44:58,120 --> 03:44:59,880
Well, you've heard the citizens of Hernando.

2457
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:28,900
The county today. The Hernando County Arts Council also has used the library for summer programs with the children. They weren't able to use the West Hernando branch this year, but we served over 100 children this summer doing art programs and helping with the kids having recreation to do for the summer. So that's very important. They also offer the meeting rooms. We use those for Hernando County Arts Council meeting sometimes.

2458
03:45:28,900 --> 03:45:35,820
mental health, senior citizens, veterans, kids, they all need those services from whether

2459
03:45:35,820 --> 03:45:38,100
it be computers, folks, or whatever.

2460
03:45:39,320 --> 03:45:50,640
And the other thing that I have a question about is on the budget, the line item budget,

2461
03:45:50,640 --> 03:46:06,480
that there is state aid libraries, and in 25 we had $801,103, and it dropped to $697,000, $546.

2462
03:46:07,360 --> 03:46:16,600
And in fiscal year 27, we're only budgeted, there are $328,381, and that's almost a $500,000 loss.

2463
03:46:16,600 --> 03:46:22,420
So, I'd like to know why that has decreased on the state aid.

2464
03:46:23,100 --> 03:46:28,920
And then the other thing, take a look at the seniors and the parents and the children

2465
03:46:28,920 --> 03:46:36,780
that have come here today and realize how just pennies on the tax dollar may make a difference

2466
03:46:36,780 --> 03:46:40,500
to be able to save this for the citizens of Hernando County.

2467
03:46:42,200 --> 03:46:47,140
commissioners work for the citizens and I think the citizens have spoken and I

2468
03:46:47,140 --> 03:46:52,800
think the library is an important amenity to them and I ask that you reconsider

2469
03:46:52,800 --> 03:46:56,940
removing that from the budget. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am.

2470
03:47:02,740 --> 03:47:04,600
My KCCA-S-E-Y, I

2471
03:47:04,600 --> 03:47:08,920
resident didn't come here to talk about libraries, but I think I got them. First of

2472
03:47:09,600 --> 03:47:14,820
all, God bless all these people who want the library. God bless them, but it's

2473
03:47:14,820 --> 03:47:16,560
time to put your money where your mouth is.

2474
03:47:16,840 --> 03:47:20,680
Everybody comes up with figures and say it doesn't cost that much.

2475
03:47:21,060 --> 03:47:25,880
Get yourself a nonprofit, put your money where your mouth is, and support this stuff.

2476
03:47:26,320 --> 03:47:31,360
And I'll go with Mr. Alaka, who says all the time, you tell me to cut, cut, cut, but then

2477
03:47:31,360 --> 03:47:33,080
you turn around and say, spin, spin, spin.

2478
03:47:33,480 --> 03:47:37,840
And the same thing with Mr. Champion, he doesn't want to talk tax people, but he also said

2479
03:47:37,840 --> 03:47:41,340
the day about criminals, wanted to paraphrase a little bit.

2480
03:47:41,340 --> 03:47:45,880
But one more dollar stolen by the government is one dollar too many.

2481
03:47:47,600 --> 03:47:52,160
So we kind of need these library, but I think to a certain extent, the library people

2482
03:47:52,160 --> 03:47:55,980
have to educate themselves a little bit more and make their own libraries.

2483
03:47:56,360 --> 03:48:01,800
There's a book out about 2008, 2007 by Arthur Herman that I think all these library people

2484
03:48:01,800 --> 03:48:02,260
should read.

2485
03:48:02,540 --> 03:48:08,100
How the Scots and Vin at the Modern World starts about 1500 and it goes through all the thing.

2486
03:48:08,100 --> 03:48:14,140
they're the poorest country in Europe. But they had the most educated population. Every

2487
03:48:14,660 --> 03:48:21,160
Scott had a thinly sliver that they set up by themselves with no government at all.

2488
03:48:21,620 --> 03:48:26,200
So if you guys want to do it, you can do it. But then you got to volunteer and you have

2489
03:48:26,200 --> 03:48:31,560
to put your effort into it. If you want to do it, do it. If not, be quiet. Because these

2490
03:48:31,560 --> 03:48:37,560
guys are restricted. And if I wonder, I wonder if these people do get their extra $2,000

2491
03:48:37,560 --> 03:48:43,740
dollars back from property taxes? How many of them are going to run a check? They got

2492
03:48:43,740 --> 03:48:48,980
win-free money. What are you going to do? It's up to you. And if you don't want the nonsense

2493
03:48:48,980 --> 03:48:57,220
that's been in the libraries, make it happen. All this won't stuff and all that black lives

2494
03:48:57,220 --> 03:49:03,040
matter, the school board, make that happen. And don't go to one or two meetings, go to the school

2495
03:49:03,040 --> 03:49:07,700
board meetings come here every time I'm almost here every time given these guys

2496
03:49:07,700 --> 03:49:14,620
in grief I don't think they like me you know you know I've agreed

2497
03:49:14,620 --> 03:49:20,320
against something and Mr. Lockham Mr. Champion goes I don't agree with you so

2498
03:49:20,320 --> 03:49:26,720
if you if the library people want to make this happen you make it happen government

2499
03:49:26,720 --> 03:49:35,360
government? I want government out of my life. You want it out of your life? You know, it's

2500
03:49:35,360 --> 03:49:36,020
up to you now.

2501
03:49:42,480 --> 03:49:48,600
Hi, I'm Patricia Zerahut, Z-I-R-H-U-T. And I just have a really concern about

2502
03:49:48,600 --> 03:49:53,780
the books that are in the library right now, because there's no air conditioning in there.

2503
03:49:53,940 --> 03:49:58,280
There's nothing drawing the humidity out unless y'all know something that I don't know.

2504
03:49:58,280 --> 03:49:59,740
And Natalie.

2505
03:50:04,770 --> 03:50:29,910
I'm sure the same kind of thing is going on with our library if they don't have any kind of de-humidifiers in there or something to take care of those books. So, we need to do something about that air conditioning or do something to protect the books that are in the library. Or there's not going to be any kids going to the library and be able to use the books because they'll be full of mold. Thank you very much.

2506
03:50:29,910 --> 03:50:30,790
Good

2507
03:50:37,900 --> 03:50:41,620
morning, Bob Morgan, M-O-R-G-A-N, Brooksville.

2508
03:50:42,140 --> 03:50:50,020
My comments will be broad in scope, so it won't specify the library, but perhaps throughout something I mentioned,

2509
03:50:50,020 --> 03:50:53,180
you might find some savings that will definitely help the library.

2510
03:50:56,780 --> 03:51:05,300
In 2026 budget year, the sheriff came in late, by the way, and asked for the body cameras,

2511
03:51:05,300 --> 03:51:14,480
which we paid for out of reserves as we should have, but my concern was the way he came to us

2512
03:51:15,100 --> 03:51:22,120
after the budget had closed only a few meetings prior and then asked you to pay for something

2513
03:51:22,120 --> 03:51:26,720
that should have been included in the prior budget. Well, I think it's payback time and I would

2514
03:51:26,720 --> 03:51:34,380
recommend that you all consider recapturing if it's statutorily permitted the two million dollars

2515
03:51:34,380 --> 03:51:42,900
that you paid for the body cameras in this budget year, and reduced the share of budget by that amount.

2516
03:51:43,940 --> 03:51:50,460
So that's one item. Number two, I'd like better public disclosure of debt levels.

2517
03:51:52,400 --> 03:51:59,180
In this year's budget, there's a tremendous amount of spending that's going to occur on county

2518
03:51:59,180 --> 03:52:08,600
facilities by my calculations pretty darn close to $50 million in county buildings, whether

2519
03:52:08,600 --> 03:52:16,240
it's renovations or new buildings, acquisitions, training centers, compost centers, $50 million and

2520
03:52:16,240 --> 03:52:24,760
that's not including another 50 for the airport. What I know the airport has a grant, but what are the

2521
03:52:24,760 --> 03:52:29,500
current debt levels for the county and what will they look like at the end of the year?

2522
03:52:30,040 --> 03:52:34,600
And I asked that because that translates into ongoing debt service, interest payments

2523
03:52:34,600 --> 03:52:35,240
every year.

2524
03:52:35,940 --> 03:52:45,440
And at $100 million in debt, if you do the math, that's a significant payment on a monthly

2525
03:52:45,440 --> 03:52:48,720
basis or annual basis that could be used.

2526
03:52:48,720 --> 03:52:58,340
Even if you only save $10 million of that, you pay easily for the library expenses on an ongoing basis going forward, half a million dollars a year.

2527
03:52:59,460 --> 03:53:06,140
Third item, an MSPU for Kettering Road and Lockhart.

2528
03:53:06,480 --> 03:53:15,900
So specifically, the plan development district out there, we're going to spend this year $2.95 million on road improvements for Kettering Road.

2529
03:53:15,900 --> 03:53:19,420
which is all a result of growth.

2530
03:53:20,240 --> 03:53:23,180
So if we're going to talk about growth paying for growth,

2531
03:53:25,100 --> 03:53:28,660
specifically geographically narrow it down to an MSPU for

2532
03:53:28,990 --> 03:53:32,920
the plan development district of I-75 and SR-50.

2533
03:53:33,680 --> 03:53:35,300
Royal Highlands, Hernando Beach,

2534
03:53:35,840 --> 03:53:38,920
rural Hernando should not necessarily be paying for that

2535
03:53:38,920 --> 03:53:42,300
road because it's all the residents of sunrise or

2536
03:53:42,300 --> 03:53:46,480
Are Benton Hills or the other industrial areas that are going to benefit?

2537
03:53:46,880 --> 03:53:47,460
Thank you, sir.

2538
03:53:47,780 --> 03:53:48,120
Thank you.

2539
03:53:53,490 --> 03:53:54,910
Last call for public comment.

2540
03:53:55,150 --> 03:53:59,350
Is there anybody else in the public who would like to speak that has not had an opportunity to speak yet?

2541
03:54:01,650 --> 03:54:07,350
Going twice, going three times, public comment is closed, we're back to the board, commissioner champion.

2542
03:54:07,970 --> 03:54:08,250
Thank you.

2543
03:54:09,450 --> 03:54:12,450
First of all, do you know what makes me happy?

2544
03:54:13,070 --> 03:54:17,570
And it's not the public criticizing our decisions, trust me, that's not a fun place at all.

2545
03:54:17,570 --> 03:54:22,830
But what makes me happy is that the young people coming up here and speaking and I think you can see smiles on all our faces

2546
03:54:22,830 --> 03:54:26,990
When these young people come up and stress there's gonna be our future leaders, you know

2547
03:54:26,990 --> 03:54:30,150
I won't be here forever. I'm already in my 50s already counting down the days. Not good

2548
03:54:31,170 --> 03:54:36,870
But I'm happy that and I'm really happy with the public that came forward and offer solutions and talked about things

2549
03:54:36,870 --> 03:54:42,870
That's important. Mrs. Sunkett Brown, right? Do you mind if I mention what you came for last time about your son?

2550
03:54:43,470 --> 03:54:45,570
This woman, she's truly an inspiration.

2551
03:54:45,790 --> 03:54:50,910
Not only did she come, we're a proposal for a fix, but she's went through a lot.

2552
03:54:51,270 --> 03:54:56,350
She lost her son recently to a cratum overdose, what I'm told, and it's something that

2553
03:54:56,350 --> 03:54:59,970
shouldn't even be in the store as in this county, and, you know, we were all in, we were

2554
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:29,040
We're all unanimous behind doing whatever we can to keep another young person dying off of something so senseless. But this one is so strong. She came here with her grandson and offer solutions, which is fantastic. I don't know if this is necessary yet. And I'm going to explain why I'm the numbers, because really when it comes out of this, we're all business people. We all control budgets before. I'm control large budgets, I still control budgets. And we all control budgets in our household, right? So we got to look through all the smoking mirrors and say, okay, where is the money being spent at?

2555
03:55:29,040 --> 03:55:37,780
And like I said earlier, when it comes to libraries, even though it's, I was the number 3.9 million, the 4.5 million, something like that, it's around $4.8 for all the libraries.

2556
03:55:39,420 --> 03:55:45,160
My numbers may be off a little bit, but you know, when you look at the budget, it's really crumbs compared to everything else.

2557
03:55:45,460 --> 03:55:48,020
But it's all important. All those crumbs add up the whole piece of bread, right?

2558
03:55:48,340 --> 03:55:56,240
So when we got to cut, depending on the number you're looking at, $60, $70 million if this needs to, I mean, this is going to be a lot more than just a library we're talking about.

2559
03:55:56,240 --> 03:56:01,040
We're going to be talking about a lot of other things, but what I like to look at is what is the growth of every department?

2560
03:56:01,420 --> 03:56:07,100
You look at the numbers and my numbers, I came up with a 143 percent increase. There's other numbers out there that say 100 percent increase.

2561
03:56:07,780 --> 03:56:12,320
You know, whatever that number is, the final number you take, look at it, you get a pull out grants and all that stuff, okay, whatever.

2562
03:56:12,760 --> 03:56:17,000
The truth is, this budget has at least doubled since 2019.

2563
03:56:17,900 --> 03:56:22,580
Right? So now I looked and said, okay, how much is the library grown in that same period?

2564
03:56:23,000 --> 03:56:32,140
and the answer is 54%. Still a big number. So a huge growth in a big number, you know, compared, I think it was 2.6 million, the numbers I'll find it are like 3.9 million.

2565
03:56:32,420 --> 03:56:38,680
So that's what I came up with, maybe awful little bit, but it's pretty close, right? So when I look at that number and I say, okay, it's a 54% increase.

2566
03:56:39,080 --> 03:56:45,020
Could we look at what we spent money on and could we trim that down maybe until 40% so keep all the libraries open? Possibly.

2567
03:56:45,020 --> 03:56:51,040
We can look at it. We can say, hey, what's necessary? I love the ideas. Well, I'm going to pop coffee shop or vending machine. Love that.

2568
03:56:51,460 --> 03:56:54,720
All that revenue that comes back, put it back towards the library is fine. That would be great.

2569
03:56:55,060 --> 03:56:59,620
Or a nonprofit who wants to take over and be able to smaller libraries and do the same service for the community.

2570
03:56:59,960 --> 03:57:03,300
Maybe apply for grants and stuff. Fantastic. We made it to think outside the box.

2571
03:57:03,800 --> 03:57:08,320
Especially if this tax constitutional amendment goes through, which I think it will personally.

2572
03:57:09,340 --> 03:57:15,420
So here's my proposal, is that we shouldn't touch the libraries until every department

2573
03:57:15,940 --> 03:57:22,620
is at 54% or less compared to 2019 because if the library is at 54%, but everything else

2574
03:57:22,620 --> 03:57:25,840
is up 100%, then the numbers would say, what's fair, right?

2575
03:57:26,080 --> 03:57:30,280
Because every department is critical, if you ask any of the individuals, right?

2576
03:57:30,360 --> 03:57:31,600
U.S. libraries is critical, right?

2577
03:57:31,940 --> 03:57:33,200
If you ask utilities, they say it's critical.

2578
03:57:33,380 --> 03:57:34,740
U.S. DBW is critical.

2579
03:57:34,900 --> 03:57:35,500
We've got to do with it, right?

2580
03:57:35,500 --> 03:57:39,360
right? You ask mosquito control, critical. Is there anybody's going to go out and say,

2581
03:57:40,140 --> 03:57:43,700
nah, we don't need that department no more, we just cut it. Nobody's going to say that,

2582
03:57:43,720 --> 03:57:46,940
right? And that's a difficult job we have up here as commissioners to be able to make

2583
03:57:46,940 --> 03:57:50,720
a decision and say, where do you cut from? Commonly, we'll go through the whole thing and

2584
03:57:50,720 --> 03:57:54,860
go, well, Harry's challenge, we're not showing you what line you want to cut, Mr. Champion.

2585
03:57:55,220 --> 03:58:00,080
You know what my answer mostly is? Across the board. If you increased over last year, then

2586
03:58:00,080 --> 03:58:06,080
you should decrease this year. If you increase over 100 percent from 2019, maybe you should

2587
03:58:06,080 --> 03:58:11,260
decrease that. And until the libraries are equal with the other departments that are over,

2588
03:58:11,780 --> 03:58:16,140
then it shouldn't be cut because there's somewhere else it could be cut from. Now it's not

2589
03:58:16,140 --> 03:58:20,340
excusing the fact that the libraries are not 54 percent. If I was a betting man, it's probably due

2590
03:58:20,340 --> 03:58:24,380
to the minimum wage. I mean, I would imagine those people are probably not the highest paid,

2591
03:58:24,380 --> 03:58:29,380
unfortunately. We know that teachers aren't the highest paid. We know that childcare providers aren't

2592
03:58:29,380 --> 03:58:34,620
high spade but they take care of almost critical possession right which is our children right we care about them

2593
03:58:34,620 --> 03:58:38,420
probably more than anything else in the world I got five kids and three grandkids I care about them more than anything in the

2594
03:58:38,420 --> 03:58:46,480
role I'm sure you you're you're you're kids and grandkids the same you know so we need to look at that and say what's fair right you know and when

2595
03:58:46,480 --> 03:58:52,440
we have constitutions to ask for double digits increases every year even though it's very important we all know that you know first

2596
03:58:52,440 --> 03:58:57,240
spawners are very important we all know that road is very important all this stuff but it all adds up and again you know so where do we

2597
03:58:57,240 --> 03:59:06,020
What do we do? What's fair? You know, what's fair is to look at look at that number and say, okay, until the departments are at 54 percent, then and I have to say that we can't cut some of the libraries.

2598
03:59:06,180 --> 03:59:10,900
Maybe we can look at it and say, well, we can just have a little different or maybe we can add a volunteer to each one.

2599
03:59:11,300 --> 03:59:17,980
If we can add a volunteer instead of running with six or seven, we can run with five and have a volunteer staff that some people come in that like you guys want to help.

2600
03:59:18,360 --> 03:59:22,120
They want to help 200 kids or do whatever to help us in the libraries or a nonprofit.

2601
03:59:22,120 --> 03:59:26,920
that was maybe your nonprofit steps up and just provides volunteers to come into all the

2602
03:59:26,920 --> 03:59:30,940
libraries and help out and that would reduce some of the expense that we could keep everything

2603
03:59:30,940 --> 03:59:34,760
to community wants to but these are not easy decisions and this is only the drop in

2604
03:59:34,760 --> 03:59:35,100
the bucket.

2605
03:59:35,520 --> 03:59:38,700
When this goes forward we're not going to be talking about one library we're going to be talking

2606
03:59:38,700 --> 03:59:40,360
about a lot of other things that are out there.

2607
03:59:40,480 --> 03:59:46,180
So to me that's a fair way to address this but I appreciate that the solutions that you

2608
03:59:46,180 --> 03:59:49,640
guys gave as well you didn't just come up here and say and I'm glad you got to listen to

2609
03:59:49,640 --> 03:59:53,920
budget, first budget meeting. We had a lot more to go, but the last meeting last year, I think

2610
03:59:53,920 --> 03:59:59,420
Mr. Campbell touched on it. And the final meeting that was one person, Ms. Pam Everett, who was in

2611
03:59:59,420 --> 03:59:59,760
in the audience.

2612
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:29,920
Call her out. If she was a candidate for county commission, there was a single, regular citizen here for a billion dollar budget. At night. You know, I mean, and you know what, commonly, it's less than 10. You know, so it's very important to get involved with what's going on in your community. I appreciate you guys coming out and doing this day because you're showing the passion for what you care about. And we all care about this in some way, including myself. You've not been a little critical on some of the things. I think technology's changed. You know, there's been some, there's been some changes, but we have to, we have to figure out something.

2613
04:00:29,920 --> 04:00:32,920
and there's going to be a lot more conversation and I hope you come back to the other meetings

2614
04:00:32,920 --> 04:00:38,200
and offer other solutions like the lady that came up and started quoting like numbers and stuff.

2615
04:00:38,560 --> 04:00:42,280
I mean I was great. I'm glad to hear it. And AI now, whether you like it or not, and there's

2616
04:00:42,280 --> 04:00:45,280
to be like, hey, AI, and I know we don't want any data centers here, by the way. We don't want any

2617
04:00:45,280 --> 04:00:50,720
data centers here. But you can find out, you can find out right now about the budget. You can simply

2618
04:00:50,720 --> 04:00:55,260
go into chat GVT and say, how much has the library system grown since 2019 and today?

2619
04:00:55,620 --> 04:00:58,560
It'll take the same number I just told you. Fifty-four percent. It'll give you the numbers.

2620
04:00:58,560 --> 04:01:00,420
It'll break it down, line by line.

2621
04:01:00,800 --> 04:01:05,800
You can tell it to evaluate every department how much it's grown, and you don't have

2622
04:01:05,800 --> 04:01:06,500
to go for anything.

2623
04:01:06,860 --> 04:01:09,440
Don't go to Google because it's nonsense, so it'll give you ads over the place.

2624
04:01:09,980 --> 04:01:14,720
But this AI stuff has a positive suit, but number one, you can get informed about what

2625
04:01:14,720 --> 04:01:16,820
we're doing, and you should be informed about what we're doing.

2626
04:01:17,080 --> 04:01:17,300
Thank you.

2627
04:01:17,680 --> 04:01:18,300
Thank you, sir.

2628
04:01:19,120 --> 04:01:19,820
Commissioner Ocho.

2629
04:01:20,720 --> 04:01:21,060
Thank you.

2630
04:01:21,820 --> 04:01:23,280
Well, thanks everybody who came up today.

2631
04:01:23,300 --> 04:01:26,740
It is really important to hear from you and hear from you in these meetings.

2632
04:01:28,400 --> 04:01:36,140
You know, I know that you get this idea that we're very different than you, but the reality is most of us are just like you.

2633
04:01:38,660 --> 04:01:40,560
We homeschooled three out of our four kids.

2634
04:01:41,720 --> 04:01:46,720
My girls used to walk, literally we could walk to that library on the west side. That's why it's important to me as well.

2635
04:01:47,300 --> 04:01:50,660
And I know about the children's section because we spent a lot of time there.

2636
04:01:51,600 --> 04:01:53,040
They were reading at four.

2637
04:01:54,200 --> 04:02:00,120
Okay, my kids, they had to read every day and when it came time to go to bed, they got a bonus.

2638
04:02:00,300 --> 04:02:02,420
If you want to stay up an extra half hour, you can do it reading.

2639
04:02:02,980 --> 04:02:04,580
Otherwise, the lights go off, right?

2640
04:02:05,400 --> 04:02:11,580
Their mother and I, we read, I was trying to think about how many books.

2641
04:02:12,020 --> 04:02:14,920
We probably have about 350 books in our house right now.

2642
04:02:15,560 --> 04:02:18,680
Okay, and I like the hard covers, I don't like the paperback.

2643
04:02:18,680 --> 04:02:30,440
So I always look for it, so book I really like, I'm always looking for the hard cover version of it and then I'll sell the paper back one or give it to a thrift store so they can try to make some money, but it's important, reading is important.

2644
04:02:31,960 --> 04:02:37,900
Interesting, I had an email from somebody who quoted one of my favorite, I'll consider it a classic Fahrenheit 451.

2645
04:02:38,500 --> 04:02:41,720
I can tell you why not here to burn books, why not here to turn down libraries.

2646
04:02:42,500 --> 04:02:46,480
I'm grateful to hear that if anyone's read that book, I don't know if you have, you should.

2647
04:02:47,180 --> 04:02:50,600
It's one of the most prophetic books I really think it was written in the 50s, and

2648
04:02:50,600 --> 04:02:56,520
they were talking about literally the society being addicted to unreality television.

2649
04:02:56,960 --> 04:02:59,800
And trying to get the biggest screens they could get in the house, so

2650
04:02:59,800 --> 04:03:02,780
literally their whole living room was like, was a television screen, so

2651
04:03:02,780 --> 04:03:07,380
they could be immersed in reality TV, which we all know is not reality.

2652
04:03:08,280 --> 04:03:09,800
But I mean, that was in the 50s.

2653
04:03:10,520 --> 04:03:16,620
Never mind some of the other technology that was used in there as well but listen this board's not looking for that okay

2654
04:03:16,620 --> 04:03:24,440
I think it's very important for us to be reading and getting away from the screens and all the garbage that we see you know

2655
04:03:24,440 --> 04:03:30,460
And you know your 30 seconds worth of screen time is making your brain rot. It's not it's not making you smarter

2656
04:03:30,460 --> 04:03:33,200
It's not making you healthier. That's for sure

2657
04:03:34,340 --> 04:03:39,560
But there's some things in here that we also need to do you showed up to this meeting here today

2658
04:03:39,560 --> 04:03:43,020
And that's fantastic, and I'm not picking on anybody, I'm just giving facts.

2659
04:03:43,700 --> 04:03:47,680
Most of you, your school taxes are over 40% of your tax bill.

2660
04:03:48,120 --> 04:03:53,020
If you are a business, you're probably closer to 70% school taxes.

2661
04:03:53,480 --> 04:03:53,940
It's a lot.

2662
04:03:54,460 --> 04:03:57,600
And I had somebody who works in the school system, I think she said she worked in the school system,

2663
04:03:57,640 --> 04:04:02,140
talking about the facts that the libraries were abysmal in the schools, okay?

2664
04:04:02,540 --> 04:04:07,080
I hope that you will also go to the school board meetings and

2665
04:04:07,080 --> 04:04:09,720
and demand that they open up these libraries

2666
04:04:09,720 --> 04:04:11,380
because your kids should be getting

2667
04:04:11,380 --> 04:04:12,580
once we're in the school system,

2668
04:04:12,860 --> 04:04:15,860
should be able to get those books out of the school library also, right?

2669
04:04:16,220 --> 04:04:18,180
If they don't ever get into a library in school,

2670
04:04:18,460 --> 04:04:21,000
some of you are great parents and great-grandparents

2671
04:04:21,000 --> 04:04:23,020
and you're doing something that's more unique

2672
04:04:23,020 --> 04:04:24,300
than you probably realize,

2673
04:04:24,340 --> 04:04:26,920
even with the level of activity at our libraries.

2674
04:04:27,720 --> 04:04:29,340
Okay, and we need to make sure that these kids

2675
04:04:29,340 --> 04:04:32,120
are going to have the opportunity to get books out of there, you know?

2676
04:04:32,180 --> 04:04:33,160
And then there's a balance, right?

2677
04:04:33,260 --> 04:04:35,900
And it's like, okay, the county is providing opportunities

2678
04:04:35,900 --> 04:04:42,260
in the community, but those kids when they're there for six and a half hours a day, seven hours a day, five days a week are gonna

2679
04:04:42,260 --> 04:04:46,800
get an opportunity to go into the libraries too. And that's your tax dollars also, and you should be

2680
04:04:46,800 --> 04:04:53,180
up, you should be asking about that. And we talk about taxes, and the community actually voted to increase their

2681
04:04:53,180 --> 04:04:59,900
taxes by a whole mill for the school system. And I know it goes to, mostly to salaries, but, but again, you know, it's

2682
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:29,820
Important, it should be important in the school system where they're being educated as well. The homeschoolers are using the libraries, some of the public school parents, they're bringing their kids to the libraries and that's great. But this has to be, it can't just be county. It just can't because, guess what? Next year, your school taxes for some of you might be almost 90% of your tax bill, right? If you're in that $250,000 range, you know, of taxable value, there's not going to be much left of your pain on the county side.

2683
04:05:29,820 --> 04:05:35,980
But you're going to be all of it on the school side still so I think we have to hit this a little bit more broad

2684
04:05:35,980 --> 04:05:41,440
Okay, we're going to do what we can keep these libraries open. You've heard my opinions about the library

2685
04:05:41,440 --> 04:05:45,560
Especially the west side library and an amazing kid section that we have there

2686
04:05:46,580 --> 04:05:52,280
There were some really good suggestions and I just since many of you probably says your first county commission meeting

2687
04:05:52,280 --> 04:05:54,540
I just want to help you understand a few things

2688
04:05:54,540 --> 04:05:56,700
Impact fees can only be used

2689
04:05:56,700 --> 04:05:59,100
just for capital expenses, right?

2690
04:05:59,320 --> 04:06:02,680
You can't use impact fees to run something operating expenses.

2691
04:06:03,100 --> 04:06:07,140
So you have capital, that means expansions new, like you think about a road, right?

2692
04:06:07,520 --> 04:06:11,240
You can, your impact fees can expand the road, right?

2693
04:06:11,700 --> 04:06:17,360
If it was impact fees for, we'll say, libraries, it's for expansion of libraries.

2694
04:06:18,220 --> 04:06:19,560
Okay, we can't run them on that.

2695
04:06:19,900 --> 04:06:22,000
And that's a state legislature issue.

2696
04:06:22,180 --> 04:06:24,580
And that's the same thing goes with sales tax.

2697
04:06:24,580 --> 04:06:30,460
We mentioned it earlier, no one wants to hear about that, but they can't be used for operational costs either.

2698
04:06:31,060 --> 04:06:32,980
You can't run your county on those currently.

2699
04:06:34,140 --> 04:06:40,440
There's a lot of things that we've looked into, I can promise you, we've had long discussions year over year over year.

2700
04:06:40,700 --> 04:06:42,880
What's the ways that we can do some of these things?

2701
04:06:43,240 --> 04:06:53,120
And most of the time, or handcuffed from the state legislature, I don't think there's a single commissioner on this board who would disagree with that, trying to find other ways.

2702
04:06:53,120 --> 04:06:58,800
And so it's important for you also then to engage with your state legislature.

2703
04:06:59,320 --> 04:07:03,220
Again, I'm not saying anybody's bad, we're not talking about that, but they need to hear from you.

2704
04:07:03,440 --> 04:07:09,520
I guarantee if they start hearing from you about the importance of the library system, for instance, in this case,

2705
04:07:09,760 --> 04:07:13,080
they're going to start thinking different because you are your voters, right?

2706
04:07:13,700 --> 04:07:20,520
But usually the only thing they're hearing is my taxes are too high, it's unaffordable to live here, right?

2707
04:07:20,520 --> 04:07:27,060
Mr. Casey brought that up right you know we've had that conversation 90% plus of this and again

2708
04:07:27,060 --> 04:07:32,180
I know I'm making up a statistic on on the fly here but when people come in here to complain it's

2709
04:07:32,180 --> 04:07:37,560
about tax isn't affordability and we're trying to find a way to provide as much service as we can

2710
04:07:37,560 --> 04:07:43,920
the last thing I'm going to say is when we're talking about reductions every year during their

2711
04:07:43,920 --> 04:07:49,340
budget season I ask and I check with our constitutional officers those of you know what that means

2712
04:07:49,340 --> 04:07:52,460
It means that your sheriff, your tax collector, your clerk of the court,

2713
04:07:53,200 --> 04:07:58,440
supervisor of elections, and property appraiser, okay?

2714
04:08:00,100 --> 04:08:04,300
They're like 80% of their budget, or more, is personnel.

2715
04:08:05,640 --> 04:08:09,900
The county, we're lower because all the buildings and everything, that's us, right?

2716
04:08:10,000 --> 04:08:14,020
So we're usually low 70s, maybe high 60s depending on the situation.

2717
04:08:14,800 --> 04:08:19,600
There's no way you can cut without affecting services.

2718
04:08:19,720 --> 04:08:20,980
That's not a scare tactic.

2719
04:08:21,260 --> 04:08:22,600
It's just, it's statistics.

2720
04:08:23,400 --> 04:08:24,960
Okay, it's math, right?

2721
04:08:25,420 --> 04:08:27,020
You're not going to have, we're not going to tell the sheriff,

2722
04:08:27,300 --> 04:08:29,560
we're going to get rid of your cars and your ride e-bikes, right?

2723
04:08:30,140 --> 04:08:32,060
You know, we're not going to get rid of our mowing contracts

2724
04:08:32,060 --> 04:08:33,980
and get goats, right?

2725
04:08:34,380 --> 04:08:35,260
It's reality.

2726
04:08:35,540 --> 04:08:38,500
And so, you have to understand that if everyone's screaming,

2727
04:08:38,780 --> 04:08:39,740
get rid of them, get better.

2728
04:08:39,940 --> 04:08:41,060
Are they getting away parloridil?

2729
04:08:41,380 --> 04:08:42,740
Then we'll be in trouble with that.

2730
04:08:42,740 --> 04:08:45,280
or animal services will be busy, right?

2731
04:08:45,560 --> 04:08:47,540
So, no, the reality is we're trying.

2732
04:08:47,660 --> 04:08:49,920
We're trying to find a way how do we reduce the budget?

2733
04:08:50,120 --> 04:08:54,380
How do we make this work, but also provide the service level?

2734
04:08:54,900 --> 04:08:58,220
Not a scare tactic, these are verifiable numbers.

2735
04:08:58,500 --> 04:09:02,100
You can come in, you can ask, you can send it to the administration

2736
04:09:02,100 --> 04:09:04,660
if you want to get those numbers or you can come to more budget meetings.

2737
04:09:05,220 --> 04:09:09,340
Not a scare tactic, but we have to understand that when we are doing this,

2738
04:09:09,480 --> 04:09:12,720
when we're reducing, we're not going to sell the courthouse, right?

2739
04:09:12,720 --> 04:09:13,940
Right, to save money, right?

2740
04:09:14,320 --> 04:09:19,080
You meant, you know, like, yeah, it's 80% plus payroll for

2741
04:09:19,080 --> 04:09:25,340
our Constitutionals, that's, you know, and at the county level, we're closer to 70%.

2742
04:09:25,880 --> 04:09:30,460
And I think, honestly, if you think about that, and none of us like the increases, okay?

2743
04:09:30,860 --> 04:09:38,700
I'm not finding any way to say the increases are palatable, okay?

2744
04:09:39,040 --> 04:09:41,500
But when we look at that, it's like, okay, so

2745
04:09:41,500 --> 04:09:47,460
So now, how do we make this difference when everybody is screaming for relief, right?

2746
04:09:47,860 --> 04:09:48,920
We've got to figure it out.

2747
04:09:49,300 --> 04:09:51,440
And we're going to make somebody unhappy.

2748
04:09:51,480 --> 04:09:54,660
We're going to make a lot of people unhappy as we get through this budget process.

2749
04:09:55,000 --> 04:09:59,780
But I'm going to do what I can to make sure, at the very, very least, that this west side

2750
04:10:00,270 --> 04:10:29,290
It's going to be there for our kids especially, okay, and the adults that bring them there. I think we've heard that from all of us here. But at some level, we're going to have to find ways to make this budget work. I want to thank all of you for being here. And I hope you continue to come to the budget hearings. Be involved, be involved, be involved. And I appreciate everybody who sent me an email. I do appreciate it. I couldn't get to all of you. Like I said earlier, there's no way with 500 emails coming in.

2751
04:10:29,290 --> 04:10:31,950
But I appreciate the ones who did.

2752
04:10:32,310 --> 04:10:32,810
Thank you.

2753
04:10:33,130 --> 04:10:33,890
Thank you, Chair.

2754
04:10:34,130 --> 04:10:34,790
Mr. Antler.

2755
04:10:35,370 --> 04:10:36,210
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

2756
04:10:37,290 --> 04:10:50,390
I think it's pretty clear probably how I feel on the subject to, you know, today was really kind of special because we don't usually see this type of level of engagement.

2757
04:10:51,010 --> 04:10:54,270
I don't know if I've ever gotten more emails on a subject since I've been in office.

2758
04:10:54,270 --> 04:11:06,330
I mean, I would just look at my phone and I'd look at it and I'd say library, library, library, library, and it's going on for days to the point where I'm like, I'm probably missing like, you know, other emails on other topics.

2759
04:11:07,230 --> 04:11:09,450
So it was, I've never seen that before.

2760
04:11:10,670 --> 04:11:16,610
And for me, you know, obviously I, someone who cares very much about the financials of the county.

2761
04:11:18,950 --> 04:11:28,030
But it's also, you know, it's a fair point that educated citizens, residents, you know,

2762
04:11:28,170 --> 04:11:30,670
are educated residents make for better communities.

2763
04:11:30,870 --> 04:11:31,470
They just do.

2764
04:11:31,790 --> 04:11:38,190
It's part of what you learn about in studying communities and how they evolve over time and

2765
04:11:38,190 --> 04:11:39,490
invest in those communities.

2766
04:11:39,850 --> 04:11:45,090
And if the people there also invest in it, because that has to happen, you know, it's a little

2767
04:11:45,090 --> 04:11:50,730
bit close to my heart because when I was in first grade, I almost failed first grade

2768
04:11:50,730 --> 04:11:55,290
because I couldn't read and when my parents do, they said, we're going to take you down

2769
04:11:55,290 --> 04:11:59,350
to the local public library and you're going to sit here a couple times a week with this,

2770
04:11:59,750 --> 04:12:04,790
you know, the best tutor they could afford at the time, you know, someone they've found

2771
04:12:04,790 --> 04:12:11,970
through friends and, you know, I ended up turning that around that I, like, won a book

2772
04:12:11,970 --> 04:12:19,670
content later in the year. I passed first grade and then that being set up and having

2773
04:12:19,670 --> 04:12:26,010
that help, you know, I remember that library. I remember, you know, as a kid, going to

2774
04:12:26,010 --> 04:12:31,450
Little Red School House back when the county ran it. I remember, you know, I grew up in

2775
04:12:32,130 --> 04:12:41,950
walking around the West Turnando Library thinking about what jobs I wanted to do and read

2776
04:12:41,950 --> 04:12:47,270
It's very dear to my heart and then later in like fifth grade, I actually became a mentor

2777
04:12:47,270 --> 04:12:50,870
to the second grader to help them learn to read and do math and stuff.

2778
04:12:51,230 --> 04:12:57,550
So as you see, as you look back and you connect the dots on how that, you know, widened

2779
04:12:57,550 --> 04:13:03,070
out over lots of people's lives, you can really, I just wish the people cared this much about

2780
04:13:03,070 --> 04:13:10,890
a lot of stuff we do and would come, I mean the quality of like so many different people coming

2781
04:13:10,890 --> 04:13:17,750
up and offering so many different ideas and like you got us thinking about well maybe we could

2782
04:13:17,750 --> 04:13:21,510
do like a public-private partnership maybe we could put a coffee shop in the library it's like

2783
04:13:21,510 --> 04:13:25,570
maybe there's like a revenue share where a little bit helped the county and like that business

2784
04:13:25,570 --> 04:13:30,250
had foot trap you know you always open a business where there's already foot traffic happening so

2785
04:13:30,250 --> 04:13:35,250
they'll stop at your business that's why everyone wants to put a business next to a public's right

2786
04:13:35,250 --> 04:13:40,290
because they're almost guaranteed to succeed so having that foot traffic maybe there's a way

2787
04:13:40,890 --> 04:13:46,850
you know forward and maybe not maybe we'll just you know find a way to fund it but I mean I can't

2788
04:13:46,850 --> 04:13:50,910
commend you more for coming out for this and sticking up for it um it definitely is inspiring

2789
04:13:50,910 --> 04:13:57,210
to me uh to do a better job as best as possible to utilize your mind the best we can so I appreciate

2790
04:13:57,210 --> 04:14:05,350
you thank you thank you sir okay um obviously I don't want to see any of our libraries close I think

2791
04:14:05,350 --> 04:14:11,930
it's important. So thank you, Commissioner Amseler, for sharing a little bit of your background.

2792
04:14:12,010 --> 04:14:17,510
I have a similar, somewhat similar background. And we can go around the room and we all have a story,

2793
04:14:17,910 --> 04:14:23,530
right? We all have a journey to what has made us to who we are today and what has brought us to

2794
04:14:23,530 --> 04:14:30,110
where we are today. Part of my story was I spent the first 12 years of my life in the foster care system.

2795
04:14:30,770 --> 04:14:35,190
I can imagine I bounced from home to home to home to home, the same issue.

2796
04:14:35,770 --> 04:14:41,310
I couldn't read for great, I couldn't do multiplication, you know, so I had to have a tutor.

2797
04:14:41,930 --> 04:14:47,890
Guess where I met the tutor at a library, yes where I met my social worker a lot of times

2798
04:14:47,890 --> 04:14:53,570
we didn't go to IHOP, I tried to talk her in and take it as IHOP, but if not IHOP, we went

2799
04:14:53,570 --> 04:14:55,630
to the library, that's where we went.

2800
04:14:56,310 --> 04:14:58,450
And so I think it's important.

2801
04:14:58,450 --> 04:14:59,890
I was also home school.

2802
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:29,260
I said this at the last meeting when home school wasn't cool. It was not a welcome thing. You can step foot on a public school property. You can play sports, you can do anything, let's use our libraries. So the library was a huge, huge, huge benefit to me and my family over the years. We also had a family of 12, 10 kids, seven boys.

2803
04:15:29,820 --> 04:15:37,660
you know and so we couldn't afford to go to books a million or you know by a

2804
04:15:37,660 --> 04:15:41,440
Kindle once those came along, you know, we didn't have air conditioner in our house

2805
04:15:41,440 --> 04:15:46,740
you know, we had an attic van, you know, in Florida. And so we got a

2806
04:15:46,740 --> 04:15:51,640
Ford book, so where do we go? Because I love the read as well. My wife loves read

2807
04:15:51,640 --> 04:15:57,080
and I have two daughters, they love the read more than I do. But you know sometimes

2808
04:15:57,080 --> 04:16:02,740
times might have more opportunity to do that, but I think it's important, it's super important.

2809
04:16:04,060 --> 04:16:11,380
So I say all that to say, you know, thank you, this is one of, and it's been said already,

2810
04:16:12,420 --> 04:16:19,760
but this is why you get in this business of public service, you know, is to hear from you

2811
04:16:19,760 --> 04:16:25,180
the people, you know, and I want to commend every one of you.

2812
04:16:25,180 --> 04:16:37,620
I sat here time after time after time saying, wow, that was powerful, wow, that was impressive, wow, that was well spoken.

2813
04:16:38,080 --> 04:16:47,760
From adults to kids, young and old, you all were very articulate, and you made your point, and I want to thank you for that.

2814
04:16:47,760 --> 04:16:56,600
a lot of times, you know, I said to everybody that comes here, but I said to somebody before

2815
04:16:57,620 --> 04:17:03,940
after one of the meetings they got up here and they yelled at mostly me for three minutes.

2816
04:17:05,280 --> 04:17:11,860
And afterwards, you know, we had a conversation face to face, you know, person to person, human to human.

2817
04:17:13,400 --> 04:17:20,760
And half jokingly said, I don't know if you realize this, but I can understand words if they're not screened at me as well.

2818
04:17:21,540 --> 04:17:27,060
You know, I can, I can understand a calm, reasonable voice, you know.

2819
04:17:27,540 --> 04:17:30,520
And sometimes that might be even more effective.

2820
04:17:30,940 --> 04:17:32,560
So I want to commend each one of you.

2821
04:17:32,560 --> 04:17:44,720
I counted over 30. I think I counted 33 people. They came and spoke. I counted 75 to 100 total that we're here, and of course, what does that noise?

2822
04:17:45,940 --> 04:17:49,800
It's my law. I just want to make sure it wasn't a fire alarm or something.

2823
04:17:52,600 --> 04:17:59,060
So 75 to 100 and then 1000 plus emails. So again, great job to that.

2824
04:17:59,800 --> 04:18:26,780
We do want to do want to remind you up front September 10th, 501, I expect you to be here September 22nd, 501, I expect you to be here if you can, you know, that's when the final budget will be sealed, that's when those votes will be made, so if you can be here September 10th, that's when a lot of the conversation will be had, and then September 22nd, more conversation and a final vote.

2825
04:18:26,780 --> 04:18:36,220
So I would encourage you, if you can at all be here, I would love to see each one of you and to hear your additional concerns.

2826
04:18:36,940 --> 04:18:44,780
So the administrator started today kind of saying, you know, what do we want her and Andrew County to be for now?

2827
04:18:45,100 --> 04:18:48,780
And what do we want for her future? That's really what it's about.

2828
04:18:48,780 --> 04:18:54,240
And I'm not many more in quarterback appointing the finger at any previous board.

2829
04:18:54,360 --> 04:18:56,300
Everybody does the best they possibly can.

2830
04:18:56,380 --> 04:19:02,100
I might have opinions about it and I do, but we're not here to debate that.

2831
04:19:03,000 --> 04:19:07,840
But we have had a history in this county of kicking the can down the road, right?

2832
04:19:08,120 --> 04:19:09,220
And not doing the things.

2833
04:19:09,400 --> 04:19:14,620
And then guess what, when it comes time where we don't have a choice, then we're playing catch up, right?

2834
04:19:14,620 --> 04:19:19,840
and the things cost four or five, you know, 100 times what they would have cost

2835
04:19:19,840 --> 04:19:24,820
before. So that's the issue that we're experiencing in Hernando County and on

2836
04:19:24,820 --> 04:19:30,320
top of that we're growing. And so how do we how do we deal with that? Talked

2837
04:19:30,320 --> 04:19:35,340
about impact fees and Commissioner Alaco already mentioned it could only be used

2838
04:19:35,340 --> 04:19:40,140
for capital improvement. It can't be used to fix an air conditioner. It can't be

2839
04:19:40,140 --> 04:19:44,480
used for operational equipment but there is an opportunity there for the

2840
04:19:44,480 --> 04:19:52,040
future so we're using an old impact fee study I believe from 2017 so 2017 for

2841
04:19:52,040 --> 04:19:56,840
every new there's a bunch of different buckets right but if you talk about

2842
04:19:56,840 --> 04:19:59,960
just single-family homes for single-family-

2843
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:08,340
Any homes are impact fee for libraries should be $222. This is probably doubled by now, if we do a new study, probably closer to $400.

2844
04:20:11,420 --> 04:20:17,640
But our current impact fee for libraries is $107. There's opportunity there to grow.

2845
04:20:19,680 --> 04:20:29,980
Developers who are paying their way and not the current resident subsidizing. I'm a fan of that. To the point that somebody made that brought the impact fee to the state

2846
04:20:29,980 --> 04:20:34,760
up, we have to have the votes on the board. We currently don't have those votes.

2847
04:20:35,720 --> 04:20:42,640
Now, the good news is we did raise them. They went from $5,757 for a single family home

2848
04:20:43,000 --> 04:20:50,920
to $13,000. But it really should be probably $25,000 or $30,000 total impact fees. And there's

2849
04:20:50,920 --> 04:20:57,460
different buckets in there, you know, paying for all these different things. And so it's

2850
04:20:57,460 --> 04:21:14,720
important. And I am a fan. You know, I don't want things to become unaffordable. But if the fundamental question is who should pay for growth, should the current people subsidize that or should the developers pay for that? At every day of the week, I'm going to vote on the developers paying that fair share.

2851
04:21:15,480 --> 04:21:24,300
So that's where I stand on that. Somebody mentioned government specifically federal and state government taking the power away from us.

2852
04:21:25,000 --> 04:21:28,720
Yes, but they're really taking the power away from you, right?

2853
04:21:28,940 --> 04:21:35,440
Every time they pass these mandates that take local home rule away, they're taking the power away from you.

2854
04:21:35,600 --> 04:21:43,520
And you should stand up against that, you should organize, you organize well, contact your state reps and your state senators and our governor,

2855
04:21:43,980 --> 04:21:48,100
which our governor's doing a fantastic job, but we're going to have a new governor, right?

2856
04:21:48,780 --> 04:21:53,920
And so we need to make sure that we advocate because a lot of what happens

2857
04:21:55,180 --> 04:22:00,180
Any more doesn't happen here, you know, it might happen here by

2858
04:22:01,380 --> 04:22:07,940
By no choice of our own, you know a lot of things we vote on they say you're gonna vote on this you have to vote on it

2859
04:22:07,940 --> 04:22:11,500
But you don't have a choice, you know, so that's where that is

2860
04:22:12,700 --> 04:22:17,820
I'm going to get Mr. Herring or somebody if you can get the answer when the issue is going to be fixed.

2861
04:22:18,140 --> 04:22:19,300
Be one or Mr. Herring?

2862
04:22:20,820 --> 04:22:25,960
You don't have to come up now but at the end I would like to but we are working on getting that air conditioner fixed.

2863
04:22:26,100 --> 04:22:33,240
That's really not the issue. That's why it's closed now but the long term issue is operating costs of the library.

2864
04:22:34,120 --> 04:22:40,760
But I think you heard all of us say we're going to try to find a way to not have to

2865
04:22:44,740 --> 04:22:56,680
I'm going to get to the fuel whoever mentioned the fees for the parking and all the different fees I can get that number to you if you be so kind as a send me an email my cards on the back all of our cards.

2866
04:22:56,820 --> 04:23:01,740
By the way, we all serve you countywide, so you can reach out to all of us and you guys did.

2867
04:23:01,740 --> 04:23:07,840
So we get voted voted out what we have to live in a district that we represent, which I think is a good idea.

2868
04:23:08,120 --> 04:23:13,460
So you don't have five people from the beach or five people from Ridge Manor or five people from Spring Hill.

2869
04:23:13,940 --> 04:23:16,540
So you get a kind of diverse representation up here.

2870
04:23:16,920 --> 04:23:22,720
So we all live in the district that we represent, but we represent you county wide.

2871
04:23:22,720 --> 04:23:26,280
We have voted county wide, but I can get you those fees.

2872
04:23:27,800 --> 04:23:32,740
Thank you for reminding us that we did use that library as a FEMA site.

2873
04:23:33,000 --> 04:23:39,340
I don't remember getting one email saying that you guys were mad or inconvenience at

2874
04:23:39,340 --> 04:23:39,800
that time.

2875
04:23:40,000 --> 04:23:41,300
And so I want to thank you for that.

2876
04:23:41,800 --> 04:23:47,920
So for your patients for allowing that to be used as a FEMA site during that critical

2877
04:23:47,920 --> 04:23:50,380
time when our whole community needed it.

2878
04:23:50,780 --> 04:23:52,320
And so that's a important thing to remember.

2879
04:23:52,540 --> 04:23:53,820
I had actually forgotten that.

2880
04:23:53,820 --> 04:24:23,800
so thank you for that. Somebody mentioned quality of life and that's what these conversations are all right so we can talk about, you know, what are the bare necessities we can strip everything down to the bare necessities and we're going to run the courthouse we're going to fund the fire department and we're going to fund fire and EMS and then anything else that the state tells us we have to everything else is quote unquote option.

2881
04:24:25,360 --> 04:24:34,900
right? But is that what we want her native county to be? Is that what we want for our families? Is that what we want for our grandkids, our children, our grandkids, you know?

2882
04:24:35,240 --> 04:24:41,440
I don't have grandkids yet. I'm looking forward to it. I'm not in a hurry. I know it's going to be, you know, some of the best times of my life.

2883
04:24:41,440 --> 04:24:50,820
But I, to Commissioner Alaco's point, I live here, I work here, I have a business here.

2884
04:24:51,400 --> 04:24:53,540
I deeply care about her name of county.

2885
04:24:53,740 --> 04:24:59,380
That's why I got into this position of serving you, the people.

2886
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:11,040
Because I care deeply about the future of our county. So MSTU was talked about, you mentioned

2887
04:25:11,040 --> 04:25:11,380
goats.

2888
04:25:14,880 --> 04:25:19,680
Maybe that's not a bad idea. I did that for the kids.

2889
04:25:21,700 --> 04:25:23,400
So the government center

2890
04:25:23,400 --> 04:25:28,080
purchase so many mentioned that the Brooksville site I think that's a huge

2891
04:25:28,080 --> 04:25:32,540
win for our native county I appreciate your concerns but we're currently

2892
04:25:32,540 --> 04:25:38,700
leasing those buildings so like the supervisor elections is leasing two

2893
04:25:38,700 --> 04:25:44,160
buildings their warehouse where they keep their stuff is not air condition where

2894
04:25:44,160 --> 04:25:51,720
they keep their equipment the tax collectors outgrown her space here and a lot of

2895
04:25:51,720 --> 04:25:54,980
people come here and they have to park at the bottom of the hill. There's no parking here.

2896
04:25:55,120 --> 04:25:58,260
And if you do find parking, it's at the bottom of the hill and they have to walk up.

2897
04:25:58,640 --> 04:26:03,520
And it's just not a good scenario. They also need to do renovations of their space,

2898
04:26:03,940 --> 04:26:10,040
you know, so we'd rather renovate space we own. So, and then that space, we're not, we have current

2899
04:26:10,040 --> 04:26:14,760
leases of businesses like chopped blocks and really good restaurants and other businesses,

2900
04:26:15,000 --> 04:26:20,000
locally owned businesses in that plaza. They're going to stay as long as they their leases.

2901
04:26:21,480 --> 04:26:25,860
And so that's going to give us some additional revenue, the taxpayers.

2902
04:26:26,700 --> 04:26:32,600
And really it's a wash or a net gain to the taxpayers over time, that's to hope.

2903
04:26:33,080 --> 04:26:39,320
But I appreciate you bringing that up, that's what we want, people digging into things.

2904
04:26:40,160 --> 04:26:47,360
I did not know, I know a lot of people use their phones for things now, you know, we all have

2905
04:26:47,360 --> 04:26:48,660
these computers in our pocket.

2906
04:26:48,660 --> 04:26:57,700
one sometimes two and I did not realize that the outside of maybe a county

2907
04:26:57,700 --> 04:27:02,920
office that the only place to get a physical bus pass was a library so I'm

2908
04:27:02,920 --> 04:27:07,840
going to verify if that's true that's an important thing to consider as well. I

2909
04:27:07,840 --> 04:27:13,340
love love love the idea although there's some maybe unintended consequences of

2910
04:27:13,340 --> 04:27:17,820
having a coffee shop or the smoothie bar I think it's a great idea but then you

2911
04:27:17,820 --> 04:27:23,380
You have the books and you have the carpet cleaning because it's going to get spilled everywhere on that ongoing upkeep.

2912
04:27:23,960 --> 04:27:27,980
But wonderful, wonderful idea of having a coffee shop.

2913
04:27:28,140 --> 04:27:36,140
And it doesn't even have to necessarily be inside the taken up space inside the library.

2914
04:27:36,520 --> 04:27:43,860
It can be a food truck, you know, that pays us rent, you know, for the parking lot, for the opportunity to be there.

2915
04:27:43,860 --> 04:27:50,080
there. So I love those ideas. I love the idea of the vending machine. Somebody mentioned

2916
04:27:50,080 --> 04:27:56,340
meeting rooms and I'm not coming out and suggesting this, but I would rather find other ways to

2917
04:27:56,340 --> 04:28:02,960
offset costs than to close it down completely. But we could charge a small fee for people

2918
04:28:02,960 --> 04:28:08,460
that want to rent the meeting rooms, use the meeting rooms because I know, you know, some

2919
04:28:08,460 --> 04:28:13,160
businesses for profit businesses are using them as well. So maybe that's an opportunity

2920
04:28:13,160 --> 04:28:16,520
if it came to the, hey, do this or close it?

2921
04:28:16,760 --> 04:28:18,140
Well, obviously we want to do that.

2922
04:28:19,440 --> 04:28:22,700
I appreciate the individual that brought up

2923
04:28:22,700 --> 04:28:24,100
the electric cars.

2924
04:28:25,220 --> 04:28:26,920
And I have nothing against electric cars.

2925
04:28:27,880 --> 04:28:31,160
Commissioner Champion has an awesome fast, super fast.

2926
04:28:31,300 --> 04:28:34,100
I think one of the fastest electric cars you can have, right?

2927
04:28:35,160 --> 04:28:36,180
Advocated for the stacks.

2928
04:28:36,340 --> 04:28:37,420
No, no, you're not.

2929
04:28:37,700 --> 04:28:39,480
All right, I want it to be fixed.

2930
04:28:39,680 --> 04:28:41,900
No, no, no, and that is very true.

2931
04:28:41,900 --> 04:28:47,340
So I'm not a fan, we've talked about this with our legislation in Tallahassee a lot.

2932
04:28:47,540 --> 04:28:50,040
We haven't got it done, hopefully we're going to get it done this year.

2933
04:28:51,480 --> 04:28:55,160
I know Senator Mizzoulo is an advocate of this.

2934
04:28:55,780 --> 04:29:01,180
I'm not a fan of charging it per mileage because I don't think it's the government, any of

2935
04:29:01,180 --> 04:29:05,060
the government's business, how many miles I drive my car, right?

2936
04:29:05,060 --> 04:29:12,620
But I think there's other ways to do it, figure out what it costs and put it on the registration.

2937
04:29:13,080 --> 04:29:19,360
So when they renew their registration tag, they're paying the $250 extra that they're not

2938
04:29:19,360 --> 04:29:24,340
paying at the gas pump for maintain air roads because that is what's paying to maintain

2939
04:29:24,340 --> 04:29:24,920
our roads.

2940
04:29:25,440 --> 04:29:32,760
I'm in favor of finding a way, Commissioner Ampler, if we can, finding a way to put some more

2941
04:29:32,760 --> 04:29:38,660
money towards, you know, the upkeep of our roads because anybody that drives around here

2942
04:29:38,660 --> 04:29:41,640
knows that that's an opportunity for sure.

2943
04:29:42,360 --> 04:29:45,860
Ma'am, thank you for being here, again, sir, thank you for being here.

2944
04:29:46,420 --> 04:29:50,280
You spoke very eloquently, so I want to appreciate that.

2945
04:29:50,500 --> 04:29:56,980
Keep reading, keep studying, keep doing the right thing, you know, every, your future depends

2946
04:29:56,980 --> 04:29:59,320
depends on every next decision you make.

2947
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:26,300
All right, so you've got to make good decisions. And don't just do, you know, you are who you hang out with as well. So don't, don't just go with the crowd, you know, be a leader. And, and make those next good choices. And you're going to, you know, grow up to be an amazing, an adult. So I have no doubt of that. But, ma'am, I wanted to give you a quick update. I told you I was going to immediately get to work on the greater issue.

2948
04:30:26,300 --> 04:30:34,940
and I immediately contacted the Sheriff's Office for working with their team now on what we can do if there's a state task force that will help us with that.

2949
04:30:35,480 --> 04:30:44,480
If there's an ordinance that we could enact on this board, I'm going to work with the Sheriff's Office and our county attorney to move forward with that.

2950
04:30:44,740 --> 04:30:51,640
So right to work on that, I'll continue to work on that. So hopefully there'll be some good information coming soon on that.

2951
04:30:53,440 --> 04:31:03,520
Ms. Greenwell, thank you for the information on the budget book and the page 10 on the

2952
04:31:04,320 --> 04:31:05,260
budget book as well.

2953
04:31:05,460 --> 04:31:11,740
You had a question that maybe somebody can answer at the end about, you know, the funding

2954
04:31:11,740 --> 04:31:16,660
And why is the funding gone down to $500,000?

2955
04:31:17,480 --> 04:31:20,780
So I appreciate if we get the answer to that.

2956
04:31:25,140 --> 04:31:30,400
So I heard loud and clear the concern about the current books in the library.

2957
04:31:30,720 --> 04:31:36,300
So we will get right to work on that and Mr. Haringson will come to this update on the air conditioner.

2958
04:31:36,420 --> 04:31:39,760
That is a concern in Florida for sure, so thank you for bringing that up.

2959
04:31:40,520 --> 04:31:42,940
Mr. Morgan, thank you for being here.

2960
04:31:42,940 --> 04:31:47,520
Mayor, thank you for your thought out responses.

2961
04:31:48,870 --> 04:31:52,720
We can get you the debt level information, for sure.

2962
04:31:54,120 --> 04:31:57,040
Appreciate your feedback on the MSBUs for

2963
04:31:57,040 --> 04:31:58,340
cattering in lock-art as well.

2964
04:31:59,740 --> 04:32:05,600
As it comes to the Sheriff's Office, I think maybe our memory is a little off, or maybe

2965
04:32:05,600 --> 04:32:11,760
we remember it a little differently, but what I remember is it was more direction from

2966
04:32:11,760 --> 04:32:17,860
Two specific county commissioners that said we want body worn cameras because that's what the people want

2967
04:32:17,860 --> 04:32:23,960
So it wasn't the sheriff in here asking for body worn cameras. Yes in the end it was but it was more direction

2968
04:32:25,900 --> 04:32:29,740
And I would not be in favor of quote-unquote

2969
04:32:31,640 --> 04:32:34,260
Penalizing or I'm not sure what there are you either

2970
04:32:35,340 --> 04:32:36,100
What's that?

2971
04:32:37,080 --> 04:32:40,600
Pay as payback time. I'm not a fan of the payback time

2972
04:32:41,760 --> 04:32:45,420
and I would not be supporting that in any way, shape or form.

2973
04:32:46,760 --> 04:32:51,520
So as far as the private public partnership,

2974
04:32:52,100 --> 04:32:53,420
maybe that's an opportunity.

2975
04:32:54,000 --> 04:32:56,840
I love that idea as well.

2976
04:32:57,240 --> 04:32:59,900
I love the idea of the nonprofit as well.

2977
04:33:00,420 --> 04:33:05,760
If there's some way to do a partnership with that.

2978
04:33:06,240 --> 04:33:07,400
I'm going to end with this.

2979
04:33:08,100 --> 04:33:15,100
I did this at the last conversation, but I told you my story and I told you how the library's impacted my life.

2980
04:33:15,140 --> 04:33:17,480
Here's my Hernando County Library card.

2981
04:33:18,420 --> 04:33:23,880
And for all of you that like to travel and love history, I love history specifically history.

2982
04:33:24,300 --> 04:33:25,120
I'm a history nerd.

2983
04:33:26,500 --> 04:33:31,760
And so when we had the opportunity to visit DC recently, been there several times.

2984
04:33:31,760 --> 04:33:35,780
so when we had the opportunity to attend again

2985
04:33:35,780 --> 04:33:39,460
and visit a couple of years ago, I took my daughters

2986
04:33:39,460 --> 04:33:42,520
and my wife and we went to the Library of Congress.

2987
04:33:43,220 --> 04:33:45,120
And if you have the opportunity to do that,

2988
04:33:45,320 --> 04:33:47,700
super cool, you can actually get the Library

2989
04:33:47,700 --> 04:33:49,680
of Congress Library card.

2990
04:33:50,420 --> 04:33:51,340
It's completely free.

2991
04:33:51,600 --> 04:33:52,780
You got to stand the line a little bit,

2992
04:33:53,020 --> 04:33:55,420
but then you have access to all of these really,

2993
04:33:55,420 --> 04:33:58,600
really spectacular reading rooms.

2994
04:33:58,600 --> 04:34:05,140
just amazing architecture, so I would encourage you, especially families, when you're going

2995
04:34:05,140 --> 04:34:11,660
there with your kids. Stop by the Library of Congress and get your Library of Congress

2996
04:34:11,660 --> 04:34:18,740
Library card. Fantastic experience, one that I'll remember for a very long time. Administrator

2997
04:34:18,740 --> 04:34:23,200
Rodgers. Thank you. What has the comments done? I think

2998
04:34:23,200 --> 04:34:35,460
I think you covered, I was going back through all the comments, the only thing, debt levels, debt level, Mr. Morgan, if you want, we will send us email and get you exactly what you want.

2999
04:34:35,620 --> 04:34:37,320
I think we can send it to you if that's okay.

3000
04:34:38,240 --> 04:34:51,720
We have in the budget book, there is the debt policies in there and our debts, we haven't divided out for the accounts, but we can, I think maybe you want all of it together, possibly, we can speak about our system, we can get you exactly what you need, sir.

3001
04:34:52,540 --> 04:34:57,560
The other thing I didn't see, I think you covered all the electric course, I want to bring up a couple of staff.

3002
04:34:58,040 --> 04:34:59,900
There was a question, a couple of times people said, why?

3003
04:35:00,000 --> 04:35:29,980
This library was selected. I think I tried to explain it again in the beginning. Obviously, this is in a situation where we're looking at trying to reduce, reoccurring the expenses in the county. We're looking across the county and we've got a lot of operations to all the county departments. If you look through the budget book and I told you before, the wow, this is a significant impact to the community. I will tell you the same is probably all the services we provide is going to impact somebody in that part of government.

3004
04:35:29,980 --> 04:35:36,020
the day use, right? And so this one while I understand the local community there, we

3005
04:35:36,020 --> 04:35:40,680
just have a potential opportunity of maybe a less impact to the community because no matter

3006
04:35:40,680 --> 04:35:46,820
what department I reduce expenses on, this is going to be impacting somebody because

3007
04:35:46,820 --> 04:35:52,500
everybody uses a different part of the government. So that's why this library is spoke to the library

3008
04:35:52,500 --> 04:35:59,620
Director and Chris Lensbeck part of their discussion and I said the issue here is really it's a funding issue

3009
04:36:00,260 --> 04:36:01,820
If it goes forward which I don't

3010
04:36:01,820 --> 04:36:03,400
Sounds to me like it's not

3011
04:36:04,060 --> 04:36:05,880
Well, I'll talk about that in a second

3012
04:36:06,320 --> 04:36:11,500
We would speak with the library director, and I mentioned I've had meeting with her and maybe it wasn't a lot of library

3013
04:36:11,500 --> 04:36:16,520
It happens to be closed and so why what I close when it's not open, right?

3014
04:36:16,640 --> 04:36:20,000
And so if it's a different one and then I would let that it's a library staff

3015
04:36:20,000 --> 04:36:21,920
but the amount of money has to be the same, right?

3016
04:36:22,060 --> 04:36:25,420
So in the day, this isn't a decision that we own like libraries.

3017
04:36:27,100 --> 04:36:30,920
A lot of times we measure and I had a sheet that shows you what all the

3018
04:36:30,920 --> 04:36:33,840
millages are, they're called the other counties and what tax rates are, right?

3019
04:36:34,380 --> 04:36:38,560
And I always go back, there's not a good way to measure the level of government,

3020
04:36:38,580 --> 04:36:42,280
because it's not about the money we solve, it's about the service we provide to citizens, right?

3021
04:36:42,720 --> 04:36:47,760
And so that's what you really measure government on because it's what you're serving the citizens on.

3022
04:36:48,220 --> 04:36:53,260
Unfortunately, we end up all the time measuring it based on the tax rate and what we're taxing citizens on

3023
04:36:53,260 --> 04:36:57,200
Right, and so you hear a lot of people today you look at your tax bills and you're like wow

3024
04:36:57,200 --> 04:37:01,780
That's a lot of money on paying, but what services are you providing right and so I mean you're leaving here

3025
04:37:01,780 --> 04:37:03,200
And you're gonna go through a lot of light signals

3026
04:37:03,200 --> 04:37:07,660
I mean I got a lot of staff that worked 24 out of the day keeping them on right and putting the batteries at them, right

3027
04:37:07,660 --> 04:37:14,480
This kid who controls out their surfacing. You're sending things to my landfill every day, right and so we have employees up there right now

3028
04:37:14,480 --> 04:37:17,120
putting trash in the landfill, throwing the service right.

3029
04:37:17,320 --> 04:37:19,800
So, and the most important thing we do is you water waste water, right?

3030
04:37:19,840 --> 04:37:21,320
So, we do all kind of services, right?

3031
04:37:21,400 --> 04:37:23,680
And so, if I took out a water plant, I'd be really bad, right?

3032
04:37:23,780 --> 04:37:27,500
And so, because we all rely on, that's probably the most critical

3033
04:37:27,500 --> 04:37:31,400
reliability I have every day is making sure the drinking water you have is safe.

3034
04:37:32,080 --> 04:37:36,200
And so, we, and besides the ambulance has come, I can go on on about the services

3035
04:37:36,200 --> 04:37:38,220
that the county provides people every day.

3036
04:37:38,780 --> 04:37:43,280
And so, we look at that tax bill, I would tell you to look at what services you use, right?

3037
04:37:43,280 --> 04:37:46,100
And we take it for granted because it provides it there every day, right?

3038
04:37:46,200 --> 04:37:49,060
And so it should be 100%, you should get the service.

3039
04:37:49,560 --> 04:37:52,060
100% all the time and if we're not, we should do better.

3040
04:37:53,060 --> 04:37:56,800
That's why it closed it because it's maybe less of an impact, but

3041
04:37:56,800 --> 04:37:58,700
obviously to you, it's a huge impact.

3042
04:37:59,320 --> 04:38:03,660
If I did something else, somebody else is going to be allowed to have a big impact to me because they use that service, right?

3043
04:38:05,160 --> 04:38:08,580
The board, I would like to bring a couple people up to answer a couple questions that I'd like to bring up.

3044
04:38:08,580 --> 04:38:10,520
there are facilities to talk about.

3045
04:38:11,860 --> 04:38:19,780
Scott Herring or Juan about existing air conditioning system and West Side Library and I know we are in process of getting that fixed.

3046
04:38:19,880 --> 04:38:27,420
It is budgeted, it's not a funding issue, it's you can explain to me what the process is and then maybe I have a solution for the board if you want to, I have a solution for you today.

3047
04:38:28,920 --> 04:38:33,980
Thank you Mr. Rogers, Mr. Chairman, commissioners for the records, Scott Herring Public Works Director, I've got one white toe here.

3048
04:38:36,440 --> 04:38:42,820
The cost to repair the system at the library is approximately 148,000 and that's for half of it.

3049
04:38:42,940 --> 04:38:48,520
One of the reasons the cost is so high is because it takes specialized air handware to replace the one that's in there.

3050
04:38:49,600 --> 04:38:54,140
Right now we're looking at a October, November timeframe for completion of the repair.

3051
04:38:55,700 --> 04:39:00,820
In terms of the books that are in there, only half the system is down, so half the system is still running,

3052
04:39:00,820 --> 04:39:03,220
which is still keeping the temperatures down,

3053
04:39:03,220 --> 04:39:04,860
not to where it could be open to the public,

3054
04:39:05,020 --> 04:39:06,800
but it's not like it was at Chin Hill.

3055
04:39:07,280 --> 04:39:08,740
And on a positive note on Chin Hill,

3056
04:39:09,040 --> 04:39:11,580
we do have temporary air conditioners in there now

3057
04:39:11,580 --> 04:39:12,620
until we get that fixed.

3058
04:39:13,300 --> 04:39:15,440
If you want more specifics on either one of those,

3059
04:39:15,620 --> 04:39:16,580
I do have one here.

3060
04:39:16,940 --> 04:39:17,800
Any other questions?

3061
04:39:17,840 --> 04:39:18,720
We'll be happy to answer.

3062
04:39:19,440 --> 04:39:19,840
Thank you, sir.

3063
04:39:20,140 --> 04:39:20,740
Appreciate it, thank you.

3064
04:39:21,300 --> 04:39:21,660
Thank you.

3065
04:39:21,900 --> 04:39:26,100
And the next question is on the Library State Grant.

3066
04:39:27,100 --> 04:39:28,420
That was a question I don't know if you're

3067
04:39:28,420 --> 04:39:32,360
bringing up sender Lambert Jekyll or Chris, both of you, you can explain.

3068
04:39:33,160 --> 04:39:38,620
We have county ass funding, and we also get state-grant aid for our library systems

3069
04:39:38,620 --> 04:39:44,040
that we fund the majority of it, and I guess the question is that it goes down a little

3070
04:39:44,040 --> 04:39:45,340
bit, a couple of years or something.

3071
04:39:45,620 --> 04:39:47,760
Chris Lensberg, community services director.

3072
04:39:48,160 --> 04:39:54,020
Since approximately around 2020, we've been taking steps to reduce the amount of dependency

3073
04:39:54,020 --> 04:39:57,200
on state aid for operational functions.

3074
04:39:57,200 --> 04:39:59,520
So, we've slowly reduced the...

3075
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:23,400
In fact, they had, in the early stages, almost majority of, some of the operations was on state aid, so over the years, we've actually started to remove components that were fully dependent on state aid and have them under the county function. So we can be a little more resilient in case the state aid was to halt for some reason. Thank you, sir. That's good.

3076
04:40:26,840 --> 04:40:31,780
And, of course, and that's what you want. But we have to go forward. I mean, if you want any solutions, I have ideas for you.

3077
04:40:31,780 --> 04:40:37,740
but I understand that you know my way to stay open but we can talk while I do that so just a quick

3078
04:40:37,740 --> 04:40:46,820
a couple quick things so I have a I have feedback on the the heart the physical bus pass you

3079
04:40:46,820 --> 04:40:53,740
correct majority 90s 90s or so percent of the physical bus passes are purchased out our libraries

3080
04:40:53,740 --> 04:41:01,240
you can get them from our transit bus transit in in Brooksville but 90% of them are

3081
04:41:01,240 --> 04:41:02,860
or actually purchase that library,

3082
04:41:03,120 --> 04:41:04,620
so thank you for bringing that up.

3083
04:41:05,200 --> 04:41:06,960
Just to go back to recap,

3084
04:41:08,040 --> 04:41:10,760
because it gets a little confusing even for us

3085
04:41:10,760 --> 04:41:12,040
that live this every day.

3086
04:41:12,380 --> 04:41:13,900
Government, the Commissioner of Champions

3087
04:41:13,900 --> 04:41:14,800
says it all the time,

3088
04:41:15,220 --> 04:41:18,420
Government of Math is crazy, you know, and it is.

3089
04:41:20,320 --> 04:41:24,020
But if the proposals that were proposed

3090
04:41:24,020 --> 04:41:27,860
in the beginning weren't for rollback, right?

3091
04:41:28,260 --> 04:41:30,960
Those are cuts to just get to where we are now.

3092
04:41:31,240 --> 04:41:36,480
If we go to a rollback, it's those cuts plus an additional 1.7 million.

3093
04:41:37,020 --> 04:41:40,200
I just want to make sure everybody remembers that.

3094
04:41:41,260 --> 04:41:47,900
So, those, what was being proposed today was cuts to get us where we need to be, you know.

3095
04:41:48,200 --> 04:41:53,240
And then if we go to a rollback, that would be an additional 1.7 million dollars in cuts.

3096
04:41:54,360 --> 04:41:55,000
All right.

3097
04:41:55,720 --> 04:41:56,960
What is the pleasure of the board?

3098
04:42:01,970 --> 04:42:02,390
Mr. Jehovah?

3099
04:42:02,390 --> 04:42:08,350
But I'll just say that the, you remember the, sorry, I bet that John Jobman, Flew record.

3100
04:42:08,690 --> 04:42:14,950
The issue here is whether or not you want to amend the proposed budget by submitted by the budget official.

3101
04:42:15,830 --> 04:42:17,970
Perrin, it takes three votes to do that.

3102
04:42:18,850 --> 04:42:23,210
If you don't make any changes, or if you just move on through the process,

3103
04:42:24,630 --> 04:42:26,810
if you want to make any changes, then she has to recompute.

3104
04:42:26,810 --> 04:42:38,770
This is the amount we list on the form is what takes the fund, the general fund portion of the budget in the proposed tentative budget, then she'd have to recalculate.

3105
04:42:39,530 --> 04:42:44,770
But the motion would be to amend any particular part of the general fund budget.

3106
04:42:45,510 --> 04:42:47,350
So we have to identify the cuts?

3107
04:42:47,730 --> 04:42:54,570
Yeah, okay, because remember, by statute, the proposed budget always must be in balance.

3108
04:42:54,570 --> 04:43:05,370
Right. Okay. So, if there's a motion to go to a rollback, we can't move to what?

3109
04:43:05,570 --> 04:43:12,110
The board doesn't pick the, give it back. As I said, someone will win the bingo.

3110
04:43:12,510 --> 04:43:18,150
The proposed budget drives the proposed military at this hearing. So, you'd vote for

3111
04:43:18,150 --> 04:43:22,290
the budget and whatever that vote is is what determines the military for

3112
04:43:22,290 --> 04:43:29,430
your trim purposes. Okay, so if we're going to cut the budget, we've got to identify the

3113
04:43:29,430 --> 04:43:36,690
specific line items that is going to be cut. If not, we could could adopt the budget

3114
04:43:36,690 --> 04:43:43,930
as now and that would translate to the the millage rate that was proposed and that doesn't

3115
04:43:43,930 --> 04:43:50,110
mean that we can't cut it in the future, right? That would be the maximum millage that would

3116
04:43:50,110 --> 04:43:54,410
would be considered in the two future budget hearings.

3117
04:43:54,850 --> 04:43:55,590
Commissioner Champagne.

3118
04:43:55,950 --> 04:43:56,150
Thank you.

3119
04:43:56,970 --> 04:43:58,730
So maybe this question for Jobin.

3120
04:43:59,650 --> 04:44:00,650
I think I know the answer to it,

3121
04:44:00,650 --> 04:44:02,050
just for the public to say the no.

3122
04:44:02,210 --> 04:44:05,310
So the constitutional budgets that are out there,

3123
04:44:05,350 --> 04:44:08,230
I have no intention of voting for a 10% increase

3124
04:44:08,730 --> 04:44:09,310
out of the Jerusalem.

3125
04:44:10,070 --> 04:44:11,370
As much as I support law enforcement,

3126
04:44:11,610 --> 04:44:13,710
I'm not supporting a double digit increase again

3127
04:44:13,710 --> 04:44:14,850
when we're strongly so bad.

3128
04:44:14,970 --> 04:44:18,830
So Jobin, the question is can we make that determination now

3129
04:44:18,830 --> 04:44:20,010
or does that have to be left alone?

3130
04:44:20,370 --> 04:44:26,350
That has to be left alone today, because by statute, you can only change those in one of the two budget hearings.

3131
04:44:26,870 --> 04:44:30,070
Which is ridiculous, because that's where the increase is.

3132
04:44:30,550 --> 04:44:34,350
I mean, let's just face it, where it's smoking mirrors again, that's where the increase is,

3133
04:44:34,430 --> 04:44:37,650
that's where it always is, and that's where it keeps going up and up and up.

3134
04:44:37,770 --> 04:44:41,190
And I gave you the stats on where crime is going, not to say that it don't need more.

3135
04:44:41,710 --> 04:44:45,110
And maybe that, if you cut one point seven million, it's still going to have six million more or whatever it is.

3136
04:44:45,250 --> 04:44:46,470
It's a large number, you know?

3137
04:44:46,470 --> 04:44:51,230
But maybe that that comes out, but for it's time being you're going to have to look at the biggest increase

3138
04:44:51,230 --> 04:44:55,270
Departments and I have to leave that up to this man that runs the county and he's going to have to determine okay

3139
04:44:55,270 --> 04:44:59,970
What is the highest increase from 2019 now to simply use math whatever that big

3140
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:29,020
I think this increase is, those need to be dropped back. The library, and I said before, it's 54% increase this 2019. So until all those departments are at 54% increase, then there should be no cut to that, right? Because that's where that falls in line, because it's much lower than all the other departments. And I know he's got a lot already. You cut quite a bit. I mean, you showed, you know, a good chunk. It's on there, but we're going to have to look at some of that. And that might be some capital projects. That may be some things that we have to look at, even though I'm not a big fan because I think this capital projects are important.

3141
04:45:29,020 --> 04:45:36,480
But the bottom line is, there is no single reason you can responsibly send out a tax form

3142
04:45:36,480 --> 04:45:40,600
that says we propose an increase over last year when there's a constitutional referendum

3143
04:45:40,600 --> 04:45:41,500
on the ballot.

3144
04:45:42,060 --> 04:45:43,200
It is not responsible.

3145
04:45:43,360 --> 04:45:44,300
You would never do it in your business.

3146
04:45:44,800 --> 04:45:48,440
If you knew your income was going down 30%, would you go buy a new car?

3147
04:45:48,900 --> 04:45:50,640
You absolutely would not, right?

3148
04:45:50,800 --> 04:45:54,840
So there is no reason to increase anything over last year.

3149
04:45:55,260 --> 04:45:55,960
It has to be the same.

3150
04:45:56,260 --> 04:45:57,420
And what's wrong with that?

3151
04:45:57,420 --> 04:46:06,360
Yeah, if that's going to be tough because, hey, you got some mandates and stuff and maybe you don't replace some people that you lost, maybe you have to cut a capital capital project and you're going to have to do something, right?

3152
04:46:06,660 --> 04:46:18,740
And we can't cut the Constitutional's budgets just like you just heard from our attorney, but I have every intention of challenging some of those budgets to come down because we can't responsibly increase 10%.

3153
04:46:18,740 --> 04:46:25,880
And I told you already with the new law, once we adopt the Sheriff's budget with that 10% increase, we cannot go under that.

3154
04:46:25,880 --> 04:46:32,260
So we're actually setting up our future on how much money we could spend there by approving this budget and that's not for today

3155
04:46:32,260 --> 04:46:36,720
We can't do that today, but for now. I would instruct staff in at least my opinion

3156
04:46:36,720 --> 04:46:40,440
I am all about the rollback. It really should be less than rollback

3157
04:46:40,440 --> 04:46:44,000
It really should but is that is that something to be determined right now because we don't move the outcome

3158
04:46:44,000 --> 04:46:48,540
We don't know the outcome maybe it fails the councilor's amendment if it does then you know

3159
04:46:48,960 --> 04:46:53,560
It's not going to be a big issue next year, but if it does pass it's going to be a huge issue

3160
04:46:53,560 --> 04:46:56,720
and I just told you two reliable polls show it passing.

3161
04:46:57,040 --> 04:46:58,660
Some people aren't even talking about it,

3162
04:46:58,820 --> 04:47:00,020
but yet they're gonna be selfish

3163
04:47:00,020 --> 04:47:02,080
because what do we really vote for?

3164
04:47:02,240 --> 04:47:03,320
I mean, do you think about it?

3165
04:47:03,460 --> 04:47:04,940
What you really, really are passionate about

3166
04:47:04,940 --> 04:47:06,660
is the money in your pocket most of them.

3167
04:47:06,760 --> 04:47:09,120
Most people are, they're passionate about their own money.

3168
04:47:09,240 --> 04:47:10,840
So when they go in, they're selfish,

3169
04:47:11,300 --> 04:47:12,860
they're gonna say, I'm gonna vote myself

3170
04:47:12,860 --> 04:47:14,000
a $2,000 increase.

3171
04:47:14,800 --> 04:47:15,480
They're gonna do that.

3172
04:47:15,640 --> 04:47:18,580
And unless you have blinders on, that's what's gonna happen.

3173
04:47:19,380 --> 04:47:21,020
You know, I predict 67%.

3174
04:47:21,020 --> 04:47:22,560
I wouldn't be surprised by 70%.

3175
04:47:23,140 --> 04:47:27,340
Because I just think that you have a chance to directly affect your income and your taxes.

3176
04:47:27,880 --> 04:47:31,360
So basically, I'm saying I want the rollback because I think that's responsible thing to do.

3177
04:47:31,540 --> 04:47:35,340
I don't know if I could sit there and say there's a cut we could do right now, responsibly.

3178
04:47:35,720 --> 04:47:38,560
But 1.7 million considering this large budget is pretty small.

3179
04:47:39,360 --> 04:47:41,480
So I would say you spread it across the departments.

3180
04:47:41,680 --> 04:47:45,780
Anything that's had a huge increase over seven years, that's the thing that's got to be cut.

3181
04:47:45,900 --> 04:47:47,180
You spread it over the departments, you come in line.

3182
04:47:47,380 --> 04:47:51,740
That doesn't mean that he's going to come in with those numbers because we may have to challenge some of the constitutional budgets.

3183
04:47:51,740 --> 04:47:53,900
it's wherever possible, some we can't.

3184
04:47:54,280 --> 04:47:55,840
Like, supervisor elections, you can't go and say,

3185
04:47:55,940 --> 04:47:57,680
well, I want you to run on half to do an election.

3186
04:47:57,940 --> 04:47:58,440
You can't do that.

3187
04:47:58,820 --> 04:47:59,620
That's not mandated.

3188
04:47:59,840 --> 04:48:01,260
So you have to have a jail.

3189
04:48:01,620 --> 04:48:03,480
But that doesn't mean you have to spend 24 million on a jail.

3190
04:48:03,560 --> 04:48:05,060
Maybe there's something that you can challenge on that.

3191
04:48:05,460 --> 04:48:05,780
I don't know.

3192
04:48:06,040 --> 04:48:07,740
And so we get into the weeds on it.

3193
04:48:07,900 --> 04:48:09,600
But I hope our constitutions, because they're living

3194
04:48:09,600 --> 04:48:11,000
there having the same issues we do.

3195
04:48:11,400 --> 04:48:12,180
And they're elected by you.

3196
04:48:12,540 --> 04:48:13,500
And they know what you want.

3197
04:48:13,620 --> 04:48:16,160
So if it passes, then you're sending a message to them too.

3198
04:48:16,280 --> 04:48:17,340
Hey, we got to live within our means,

3199
04:48:17,360 --> 04:48:18,620
just like we have to at home.

3200
04:48:19,140 --> 04:48:21,100
So to me, for now, that would be the way

3201
04:48:21,100 --> 04:48:22,680
to go to cut the 1.7 million. Thank you.

3202
04:48:22,960 --> 04:48:23,380
Thank you, sir.

3203
04:48:24,320 --> 04:48:25,740
And I appreciate that.

3204
04:48:26,660 --> 04:48:35,440
I am not going to, I'll entertain the discussion, obviously, about a rollback.

3205
04:48:37,100 --> 04:48:45,860
But I am not going to cast a vote to favor a rollback unless I know where the specific cuts are, line by line.

3206
04:48:45,860 --> 04:48:51,160
It's not going to be cut every department by 10%, that's not a reasonable suggestion.

3207
04:48:51,300 --> 04:48:57,320
It sounds good, but it's not a reasonable suggestion because every department is unique

3208
04:48:57,320 --> 04:49:03,280
and have their own unique challenges, and I'm not going to do that.

3209
04:49:03,580 --> 04:49:11,800
So just for the board's sake, you know, you know where I'm at there, I'm all for going through

3210
04:49:11,800 --> 04:49:12,660
that exercise.

3211
04:49:13,540 --> 04:49:20,560
If that's the direction we're going today, and I'll be happy to sit here and engage in that exercise.

3212
04:49:21,060 --> 04:49:25,460
But I need to know where the specific cuts are if I'm going to cast a vote for rollback today.

3213
04:49:29,840 --> 04:49:32,660
So let's be clear about the sheriff's budget.

3214
04:49:33,500 --> 04:49:39,460
I did sit down with the constitutional, sit down with the sheriff, and I understand the budget.

3215
04:49:39,460 --> 04:49:46,020
I don't have a problem with anybody questioning anybody's budget, that's our job, right?

3216
04:49:47,280 --> 04:49:54,320
But the facts are, if you include the increase that this board put in for body warm cameras,

3217
04:49:54,320 --> 04:49:59,780
This budget is an increasing by 10%, it's increasing by 7%, right?

3218
04:50:00,110 --> 04:50:29,230
And then if you take the unfunded mandates that I've already discussed today of 6% and then another 2% of the ongoing cost of the bodyworn cameras. You can do the math yourself 6 plus 8. He's going up 7. Okay. He's actually coming in, quote unquote, flat or in the rears. So that's a real numbers. I'm not going to vote to defund the police. It's not going to happen.

3219
04:50:29,230 --> 04:50:41,890
So, just for the record, when September 22nd comes and we need four votes, you know, my vote is not going to be to defund the police.

3220
04:50:43,510 --> 04:50:45,550
So, you can count on that.

3221
04:50:47,190 --> 04:51:00,090
As far as the body-worn cameras and the decision that is forward, move forward with by the direction of two commissioners,

3222
04:51:00,170 --> 04:51:07,770
commissioner, commissioner, and commissioner champion, and we said, well, we can do this.

3223
04:51:07,950 --> 04:51:13,530
Let's get, let's seek some grants, let's go to grants, potentially available, let's seek some grants.

3224
04:51:15,530 --> 04:51:21,510
They refused to consider that, and because of that, and because we moved forward with funding it,

3225
04:51:21,750 --> 04:51:27,950
we were disallowed from applying for the grants because it would be considered subletting.

3226
04:51:29,190 --> 04:51:34,190
So we couldn't as against the law to do that, apply for our grant that you have funding for already.

3227
04:51:34,190 --> 04:51:48,710
So we could have got potentially grant funding, but because the direction was not to consider that we eliminated the ability for us to do that.

3228
04:51:48,830 --> 04:51:52,130
So that is the facts. That is the facts of what happened.

3229
04:51:52,590 --> 04:51:59,850
So I take great offense to this language of pay back the sheriff for decision he made.

3230
04:51:59,850 --> 04:52:07,170
that decision was forced by this board and it was forced to not consider grants and

3231
04:52:07,170 --> 04:52:12,670
matter of fact tied his hands for considering grants because of the law on

3232
04:52:12,670 --> 04:52:18,550
subletting. So I just want you to understand that that is the facts. That's

3233
04:52:18,550 --> 04:52:23,590
exactly what happened. All of those meetings are public record. I would encourage

3234
04:52:23,590 --> 04:52:27,930
you to go back and watch them. You will see exactly what happened. Commissioner

3235
04:52:29,290 --> 04:52:41,610
Just want to go over this dollar amount and with the budget that's currently presented, it would be another 1.7 to get to roll back, correct?

3236
04:52:42,250 --> 04:52:55,390
So what we're actually looking for is $2.2 million, because $500,000 of that budget was in Westside closing.

3237
04:52:57,790 --> 04:53:04,790
We have to buy 2.2 million, it will be actually a little bit less than that because the reserves

3238
04:53:04,790 --> 04:53:12,870
will go down, you know, compared to really, but we'll be slightly over 2.2, probably 2.25.

3239
04:53:14,130 --> 04:53:15,770
So that's why I'm getting 2.2.

3240
04:53:16,210 --> 04:53:16,670
Let's go there.

3241
04:53:17,250 --> 04:53:17,350
Right?

3242
04:53:17,430 --> 04:53:17,850
No, Tony.

3243
04:53:18,350 --> 04:53:19,090
Okay, I'm going to add to that.

3244
04:53:19,570 --> 04:53:20,110
2.3.

3245
04:53:20,110 --> 04:53:26,530
So for can you I'm sorry can you turn the microphones on just so it's on the recording

3246
04:53:26,530 --> 04:53:27,050
please.

3247
04:53:27,230 --> 04:53:27,830
Loud.

3248
04:53:29,410 --> 04:53:31,630
That's one moment but it's red still.

3249
04:53:32,290 --> 04:53:33,150
There you go.

3250
04:53:33,170 --> 04:53:33,250
Okay.

3251
04:53:33,550 --> 04:53:33,870
We're ready.

3252
04:53:37,770 --> 04:53:44,250
So 1.793103 is to get to roll back with the current cuts.

3253
04:53:44,690 --> 04:53:51,910
And then you would take that and you would add another 500 is $12,000 for the library.

3254
04:53:51,910 --> 04:53:55,670
All right, it would be $2,305,103 dollars.

3255
04:53:55,930 --> 04:53:58,170
But then the reserve number would decrease.

3256
04:53:59,750 --> 04:54:01,850
Because the overall budget would be decreased.

3257
04:54:02,390 --> 04:54:05,330
It would decrease slightly.

3258
04:54:11,020 --> 04:54:12,040
All right, we go to that direction,

3259
04:54:12,160 --> 04:54:13,860
we can get to actual numbers.

3260
04:54:14,240 --> 04:54:15,000
Are you sure?

3261
04:54:15,020 --> 04:54:18,120
I just want to make sure that was doing close to the,

3262
04:54:18,420 --> 04:54:20,180
you know, back of the napkin math on that one,

3263
04:54:20,200 --> 04:54:21,400
so we can figure out what we are.

3264
04:54:22,200 --> 04:54:23,500
Yes, sir. Okay, thank you.

3265
04:54:23,780 --> 04:54:24,460
Commissioner champion.

3266
04:54:25,280 --> 04:54:31,280
Yeah, I just want to create, clarify some facts, is he likes to say facts, but not facts, right?

3267
04:54:31,440 --> 04:54:35,700
So the meeting, when this was, or first of all, let me, let's regress, 10 years.

3268
04:54:36,480 --> 04:54:41,680
The community has been insisting on body 1 cameras for 10 years, they refused to get them, right?

3269
04:54:42,120 --> 04:54:47,480
So over and over again, I was outvoted every single time, over and over and over again, right?

3270
04:54:47,920 --> 04:54:52,440
Finally, the public stepped up, like you guys, you stepped up, you came out, you talked about libraries.

3271
04:54:52,440 --> 04:54:54,620
Well, they stepped up in that pressure was too high.

3272
04:54:54,800 --> 04:54:55,240
Guess what?

3273
04:54:55,380 --> 04:54:56,440
Everybody had to bend.

3274
04:54:56,920 --> 04:54:57,420
And you had to get these.

3275
04:54:57,520 --> 04:54:59,080
Because not always protect the public.

3276
04:54:59,080 --> 04:54:59,700
It protects.

3277
04:55:00,110 --> 04:55:29,210
I have a law enforcement. I have these cameras. And you know what? I think they're enjoying them. The people I talked to, the law enforcement, they enjoy them. But the, the real problem was, is this share of had to have the MAC daddy of MAC daddy cameras. We had people come up here and said they can get them done for 500,000. I pulled stuff up. I found other things, but it wasn't good enough. Just like some buildings for the county are not good enough at 9 million, you know, or two million. We have to spend 9 million on them. I've been advocating, we don't need to toss them holes. I like the fact that we're buying that,

3278
04:55:29,210 --> 04:55:33,690
That a that a ship center over there and Brooksville to sit empty all the time because we can consolidate

3279
04:55:33,690 --> 04:55:37,850
They showed us the numbers that we could actually save money in then great if we can save money in the end

3280
04:55:37,850 --> 04:55:42,050
Because the Constitutional's supervisor of elections a property preser task like I we could put them all there

3281
04:55:42,050 --> 04:55:46,270
Right, and we can utilize something to sit in empty anyway. I don't know about 5.5 million

3282
04:55:46,270 --> 04:55:48,410
I'm not expert when it comes to commercial rules that always work

3283
04:55:48,410 --> 04:55:51,390
But you know, there's an argument there like the lady that came up earlier

3284
04:55:51,390 --> 04:55:56,910
But there was a better way a cheaper way to do the cameras and it was ignored, right?

3285
04:55:56,910 --> 04:56:02,010
So we all support law enforcement and we're not defunding anything and a year after year

3286
04:56:02,010 --> 04:56:05,830
I've to sit here and defend myself, especially against him to sit there and talk about

3287
04:56:06,390 --> 04:56:12,010
I'm talking about the tens of millions of increase. I'm not talking about decrease in anything

3288
04:56:12,010 --> 04:56:16,770
We've never said to fund anything fire of our mint police none of it

3289
04:56:16,770 --> 04:56:22,510
We've never project never in my life. If I said they need to use spend less money than last year never

3290
04:56:23,290 --> 04:56:26,030
But a 10% increase is that reasonable

3291
04:56:26,910 --> 04:56:35,710
And it's climbing. I don't think it is. That doesn't mean I'm anti-long force. It doesn't mean that I'm anti-everythings about and we're talking about 2.2 million dollars, which is only a portion of what he's increasing.

3292
04:56:36,130 --> 04:56:38,010
Now, we can't do anything about that today. It doesn't matter anyway.

3293
04:56:38,890 --> 04:56:43,910
And, you know, we don't need a three-one vote to get rollback knowledge.

3294
04:56:44,290 --> 04:56:47,630
Anything, yes. Anything above rollback knowledge, and he'll explain it to you.

3295
04:56:47,990 --> 04:56:55,750
If it's flat, it's a majority vote. If there's no increase. If it's a zero to 10%, it's a four out of five.

3296
04:56:55,750 --> 04:56:59,690
If it's more than 10 percent, it's five out of five. Mr. Jobin, am I correct?

3297
04:57:00,250 --> 04:57:03,270
In the second, the two budget hearings in September, that will apply.

3298
04:57:03,610 --> 04:57:08,290
Okay, so today you need four out of four to get rollback villas right now?

3299
04:57:08,890 --> 04:57:10,710
No, right now, get some majority.

3300
04:57:11,130 --> 04:57:13,730
Simple majority to make changes to her proposed budget.

3301
04:57:14,010 --> 04:57:15,210
And September, what is it?

3302
04:57:15,530 --> 04:57:20,030
In September, it will be whatever the statutory thresholds were.

3303
04:57:20,270 --> 04:57:20,910
But we have.

3304
04:57:21,150 --> 04:57:22,570
If it's rollback, it's simple.

3305
04:57:25,790 --> 04:57:30,450
So my point was rollback rate only requires a simple majority.

3306
04:57:30,610 --> 04:57:30,910
You know why?

3307
04:57:31,030 --> 04:57:32,090
Because your taxes aren't going up.

3308
04:57:32,610 --> 04:57:36,650
It's really Governor Santos and our CFO blazingolia put this in place on purpose.

3309
04:57:36,890 --> 04:57:41,190
They did this on purpose to protect you because if it's such a good idea and I was saying this for 10 years,

3310
04:57:41,190 --> 04:57:44,470
if it's such a good idea, we should be all unanimous.

3311
04:57:44,990 --> 04:57:46,430
It has to be done.

3312
04:57:46,630 --> 04:57:47,830
We have to reach taxes.

3313
04:57:48,230 --> 04:57:49,290
We should be unanimous.

3314
04:57:49,670 --> 04:57:50,210
And you know what?

3315
04:57:50,310 --> 04:57:50,790
You know what that does?

3316
04:57:50,790 --> 04:57:56,210
protects you. That protects you because otherwise if you have a little click and you have three members

3317
04:57:56,210 --> 04:58:00,090
that get the vote every time which has been happening pretty much 8 out 10 years here you know

3318
04:58:00,090 --> 04:58:05,990
your taxes are going up because I can't stop it. With the good news is the governor and he's

3319
04:58:05,990 --> 04:58:10,470
a great governor by the way he's done a great job. He put these things into place to make sure

3320
04:58:10,470 --> 04:58:16,490
that we do not have the power with just three votes to raise your taxes. We need to have a majority

3321
04:58:16,490 --> 04:58:20,590
or unanimous to raise your taxes, because it's got to be such a great idea.

3322
04:58:20,950 --> 04:58:21,930
So I just want to clarify that, thank you.

3323
04:58:22,330 --> 04:58:22,650
Thank you.

3324
04:58:23,070 --> 04:58:24,230
I appreciate clarification.

3325
04:58:24,870 --> 04:58:28,310
I misspoke because I didn't really misspoke, I thought that was true.

3326
04:58:29,290 --> 04:58:34,550
But we just need three votes in September to pass a rollback.

3327
04:58:34,890 --> 04:58:35,130
Correct.

3328
04:58:35,570 --> 04:58:35,750
Okay.

3329
04:58:36,130 --> 04:58:36,350
Understood.

3330
04:58:36,610 --> 04:58:37,610
Thank you for that clarification.

3331
04:58:37,870 --> 04:58:38,870
Commissioner, champion.

3332
04:58:40,350 --> 04:58:46,090
So as it comes to the sheriff, since it was brought up and again we can't do anything

3333
04:58:46,090 --> 04:58:51,350
about it today, but I just want this board to know where I stand moving forward because

3334
04:58:51,350 --> 04:58:52,710
we do need those three votes.

3335
04:58:53,850 --> 04:58:59,250
So the sheriff is a duly elected constitutional officer of the state of Florida.

3336
04:58:59,690 --> 04:59:00,510
You elected him.

3337
04:59:01,450 --> 04:59:07,070
My opinion is we have no business telling him how to run his sheriff's office.

3338
04:59:07,810 --> 04:59:09,230
That's his job to do that.

3339
04:59:09,970 --> 04:59:13,870
He's the law enforcement professional and you gave him the job.

3340
04:59:14,810 --> 04:59:17,290
And so that's where I stand on that.

3341
04:59:18,130 --> 04:59:21,810
Body-worn cameras, I don't have any issue with body-worn cameras as you wrote.

3342
04:59:23,130 --> 04:59:26,430
The question, the fundamental question for me came down to,

3343
04:59:27,150 --> 04:59:32,130
would you rather a body-worn camera, or would you rather a deputy, right?

3344
04:59:33,010 --> 04:59:36,210
You can ask, and I spoke to the deputies and your correct commissioner of champion.

3345
04:59:36,510 --> 04:59:37,070
They love them.

3346
04:59:37,310 --> 04:59:39,490
Matter of fact, they write their reports for them.

3347
04:59:39,790 --> 04:59:41,990
They don't dictate and write the reports for them.

3348
04:59:41,990 --> 04:59:47,450
they think they're thick, they're best things in sliced bread, and so they really enjoy

3349
04:59:47,450 --> 04:59:56,730
them. But I would encourage you to go on the Hernando County Sheriff's Facebook page and

3350
04:59:56,730 --> 04:59:59,890
and there's a recent body warm camera video of a depth.

3351
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:27,680
Committee that was doing a meeting patrol out on the east side of the county. And I was going to say a gentleman, but gentlemen don't hit women. An individual was beating his significant other. And be here to the point that she passed out. I think he choked her to the point passed out. He beat her so much and so hard that he broke both of his wrist. Right.

3352
05:00:27,680 --> 05:00:35,620
state, a neighbor and concerned resident flagged down the Hernando County Sheriff's

3353
05:00:35,620 --> 05:00:36,000
Officer.

3354
05:00:36,440 --> 05:00:40,700
Now again, this is at night and this is a rich manor, but there's not a lot of backup

3355
05:00:40,700 --> 05:00:41,060
there.

3356
05:00:41,540 --> 05:00:48,260
You know, because if you look at deputies per thousand in Hernando County, so for every

3357
05:00:48,260 --> 05:00:52,640
thousand residents in Hernando County, we have 1.48 deputies.

3358
05:00:53,460 --> 05:01:00,300
Statewide average is closer to two, and that's not including, we do not have, think about

3359
05:01:00,300 --> 05:01:02,320
where your friends and family live, right?

3360
05:01:02,840 --> 05:01:06,480
Think about any county to our south.

3361
05:01:07,360 --> 05:01:08,520
Let's look at Pasco County.

3362
05:01:09,040 --> 05:01:11,220
Pasco County has Port Ritchie Police Department.

3363
05:01:11,520 --> 05:01:12,980
They have New Port Ritchie Police Department.

3364
05:01:13,200 --> 05:01:14,500
They have Zephyr Hills Police Department.

3365
05:01:14,700 --> 05:01:16,060
They have Dade City Police Department.

3366
05:01:16,520 --> 05:01:18,440
None of that is included, right?

3367
05:01:18,440 --> 05:01:24,800
They have all of that back up, plus they have more sheriff deputies per thousand than her name to county, right?

3368
05:01:24,960 --> 05:01:32,640
So you ask every man and woman that serves with great honor for our her name to county sheriff's office.

3369
05:01:32,900 --> 05:01:41,560
If you had to choose, if there was no other choice to fund this budget or close the library, right?

3370
05:01:41,840 --> 05:01:45,420
And you ask them, if you had to choose, there's no other way.

3371
05:01:45,420 --> 05:01:51,580
you have to pick one or the other. You're either going to want another deputy back up or you would

3372
05:01:51,580 --> 05:01:57,180
you rather a body warm camera every day of the week they're going to tell you a deputy. And I

3373
05:01:57,180 --> 05:02:05,500
promise you when you watch that video and you had to discharge 10 taser cartridges, I would have

3374
05:02:05,500 --> 05:02:13,460
shot it. By the time I get to 10 taser cartridges, you know, but 10 taser cartridges that aren't

3375
05:02:13,460 --> 05:02:17,260
affected him in any way, shape, or form, and this guy's still coming.

3376
05:02:18,180 --> 05:02:27,080
You know, I promise you he would have been thrilled to have somebody there to assist him in the way of another deputy.

3377
05:02:27,580 --> 05:02:30,380
So for me, that's always what the conversation has been.

3378
05:02:31,120 --> 05:02:38,420
I would rather add a deputy until we get to the point where we're fully staffed than the body-worn cameras.

3379
05:02:38,420 --> 05:02:46,580
But I support the decision of the board that moved forward with that.

3380
05:02:47,500 --> 05:03:02,240
If you look at the other constitutional's, were prohibited by state statute to say or do anything about property appraisers budget, nothing, nothing can control it at all.

3381
05:03:02,940 --> 05:03:13,820
The tax collector's budget to Commissioner Champions point that you have revenue, they always give money back to us and we have great partners or bars, but we can't say or do anything about their budget.

3382
05:03:14,100 --> 05:03:23,920
We're prohibited by state statute to do that. Supervised elections, you want fair and free elections, right? And so we, you know, we want to fund that.

3383
05:03:23,920 --> 05:03:32,880
You know, so it always comes back to the sheriff's office. There's a lot of emotion and personal opinions that are lumped into that.

3384
05:03:33,460 --> 05:03:44,920
I don't operate on emotion and personal opinion. I operate on data and facts and what is going to be the best thing for her and Andrew County now and for her future.

3385
05:03:45,420 --> 05:03:50,720
Right. And the fundamental question for me and the fundamental answer was very easy.

3386
05:03:51,380 --> 05:03:57,680
Body warm cameras or additional deputies until we're to the point where you have substantial amount of deputies and

3387
05:03:58,680 --> 05:04:02,120
That's that's an easy answer to me every day of the week. Commissioner champions

3388
05:04:03,160 --> 05:04:05,640
Thank you. Good point. I'm glad you brought up some of that stuff

3389
05:04:05,640 --> 05:04:09,400
And I wouldn't want to tell the sheriff what what he what he can do to he's he's elected by the people

3390
05:04:09,400 --> 05:04:15,120
But our job is 100% to control his budget and every other budget now

3391
05:04:15,120 --> 05:04:19,160
Some of what he said is true the Constitutional stuff you can't go say you got to cut the supervisor elections

3392
05:04:19,160 --> 05:04:20,680
I'm gonna do an election, I get that, right?

3393
05:04:21,840 --> 05:04:25,220
But there's a solution to all this, a separate line item,

3394
05:04:25,700 --> 05:04:26,860
MSTU for the Sheriff's Office.

3395
05:04:27,360 --> 05:04:30,100
And I guess what, hand on a Bible or my heart,

3396
05:04:30,360 --> 05:04:32,840
I'll vote for any increase he wants, right?

3397
05:04:32,940 --> 05:04:33,720
Straight through to you.

3398
05:04:34,160 --> 05:04:35,860
And he could be accountable to you.

3399
05:04:36,460 --> 05:04:39,160
If he increases it, you can choose to forgive him or not.

3400
05:04:39,960 --> 05:04:40,700
It's up to you.

3401
05:04:41,060 --> 05:04:41,960
That's the way to do it.

3402
05:04:42,320 --> 05:04:44,100
And you know what, there's no consequence anymore.

3403
05:04:44,240 --> 05:04:45,020
They said there was a consequence.

3404
05:04:45,460 --> 05:04:48,220
All the city may bow out, they don't have a police department.

3405
05:04:48,220 --> 05:04:48,640
All right, guess what?

3406
05:04:48,840 --> 05:04:50,720
All of their taxes paid for the Sheriff's Office too.

3407
05:04:51,020 --> 05:04:51,780
Senate camp battle out.

3408
05:04:51,820 --> 05:04:52,440
They have no sheriff's up.

3409
05:04:52,540 --> 05:04:53,200
They have no police department.

3410
05:04:53,560 --> 05:04:55,160
All right, so that argument is done.

3411
05:04:55,540 --> 05:04:55,640
All right?

3412
05:04:56,200 --> 05:04:56,440
Put it.

3413
05:04:56,540 --> 05:04:57,640
Go on in and see you next year.

3414
05:04:58,040 --> 05:04:59,980
If he wants to double it, he can answer.

3415
05:05:00,940 --> 05:05:27,840
I'll pass every budget there is. Checkmark. Now you won't even ask about it. I put it on there, because the problem is, and if you know if you've watched any meetings, we're the bad guys no matter what. We have to mention this before, because like it or not, we signed up for this job to get beat up. A lot of people talk all the time. Why do you do it? I'd be much better off in my business and doing other stuff than doing this, right? But I'm from here, six generations. I love this county. My family is going to stay here, I grant children right here. I want to see a bright future for it, right?

3416
05:05:27,840 --> 05:05:33,720
So, we have to make these decisions and when we do make these decisions, there's consequences either way.

3417
05:05:34,580 --> 05:05:37,060
You know, then you have little rhetoric set out there, defund the police.

3418
05:05:37,280 --> 05:05:40,700
I have never, I have an advocate for first responders, no doubt about it.

3419
05:05:40,720 --> 05:05:42,180
I'm not asking to defund anything.

3420
05:05:43,020 --> 05:05:46,800
You know, I'm saying there's a huge increases and we have no money.

3421
05:05:47,280 --> 05:05:48,200
So, what do we do?

3422
05:05:48,980 --> 05:05:49,880
You know, where do we go with it?

3423
05:05:50,320 --> 05:05:50,920
You know, that's it.

3424
05:05:51,200 --> 05:05:53,160
You know, listen, I'm entertaining the fact.

3425
05:05:53,280 --> 05:05:55,240
In fact, there's a candidate out there running for sheriff in 28.

3426
05:05:55,240 --> 05:06:00,380
I'm not going to miss his name because I don't know if that fights at late's rules. He's okay with MSQ. Let's do it

3427
05:06:00,380 --> 05:06:05,260
He's totally transparent put it out there. There's a separate line right under tax bill that says sheriff's office

3428
05:06:06,200 --> 05:06:10,980
Fantastic I'll check market right through rubber stamp right through the thing. You know because otherwise

3429
05:06:10,980 --> 05:06:18,460
You're holding me accountable for the budget. You say this commission has to agree to increase your taxes or not

3430
05:06:19,400 --> 05:06:20,960
I'm not voting to increase your taxes

3431
05:06:21,480 --> 05:06:25,020
period, not going to do it. You know, so especially with a constitutional

3432
05:06:25,020 --> 05:06:29,220
amendment coming up, there is times where we may all have to agree and have to do

3433
05:06:29,220 --> 05:06:31,640
it. There may be a time with that. Maybe when this constitutional thing goes

3434
05:06:31,640 --> 05:06:35,200
through and and you guys let's say you have a referendum and you want to put

3435
05:06:35,200 --> 05:06:38,880
libraries on the on the on the valid and you want people to vote for it and to vote

3436
05:06:38,880 --> 05:06:42,980
through. Obviously, you know, I think Mr. Locke said, well, you know, that would be

3437
05:06:42,980 --> 05:06:46,240
a tax increase. It would be that's why we never make it. I'm not because I

3438
05:06:46,240 --> 05:06:50,460
committed to you that I would not raise taxes. So if it is going to be raised

3439
05:06:50,460 --> 05:06:55,000
You should initiate it. We should have it on the ballot and you should vote for it. And if it passes

3440
05:06:56,120 --> 05:07:01,560
Fantastic, then I go with it with the public years ago. We were sitting on this board. Mr. Lacko and I were here. Everybody else wasn't here

3441
05:07:01,560 --> 05:07:07,900
You know medical marijuana past you guys know when it passed in the state it passed and it was a commissioner

3442
05:07:07,900 --> 05:07:10,960
The trying to come back now that wanted to have a moratorium on them

3443
05:07:11,420 --> 05:07:16,860
But it passed. What was it 70 something percent? It passed by I go even I don't agree with it

3444
05:07:16,860 --> 05:07:20,020
I'm not gonna sit there and vote against it. The people voted for it

3445
05:07:20,780 --> 05:07:25,340
So why am I going to be the one to say, well, you can't open up medical marijuana, you know,

3446
05:07:25,500 --> 05:07:26,280
clinics and stuff.

3447
05:07:26,340 --> 05:07:27,380
And now they're popping up all over the place.

3448
05:07:27,400 --> 05:07:28,000
They're all over the state.

3449
05:07:28,380 --> 05:07:28,760
Who knows?

3450
05:07:28,940 --> 05:07:31,440
But that's an example of, listen, I don't necessarily have to agree with it.

3451
05:07:31,780 --> 05:07:35,540
I don't have to agree with raising taxes, but if the public, like for example, there's a

3452
05:07:35,540 --> 05:07:39,500
lot to talk about this up to, the citizens, and I'll say you, because I don't know if you

3453
05:07:39,500 --> 05:07:45,020
voted for or not, but it was an 18.18 something percent increase for a 1 mil to support the

3454
05:07:45,020 --> 05:07:45,260
teachers.

3455
05:07:46,080 --> 05:07:47,000
You voted for it.

3456
05:07:47,280 --> 05:07:47,600
Guess what?

3457
05:07:47,660 --> 05:07:48,400
We have to accept it.

3458
05:07:48,400 --> 05:07:50,920
We don't have any choice because the public voted for it.

3459
05:07:51,660 --> 05:07:53,380
You know, so that's where I stand on all this stuff.

3460
05:07:53,600 --> 05:07:56,220
I'm not going to vote for an increase and I can't touch this buzzer right now.

3461
05:07:56,580 --> 05:08:01,600
So the only direction I would give the staff is you've got to cut that out now.

3462
05:08:01,980 --> 05:08:05,080
Now if I have to sit there and go through, I'm just going to sit there each line.

3463
05:08:05,180 --> 05:08:08,120
I'll just eliminate some departments like economic development.

3464
05:08:08,840 --> 05:08:10,600
Do we have to have that for many dollars?

3465
05:08:10,940 --> 05:08:11,780
We can eliminate the whole department.

3466
05:08:12,120 --> 05:08:17,180
If it comes down to raising taxes or eliminating something this increase,

3467
05:08:19,340 --> 05:08:22,980
I don't know what else to say, you know, people aren't a big fan of it anyway.

3468
05:08:23,180 --> 05:08:27,960
They're not a big fan of even though we've changed the process and we get the money after,

3469
05:08:28,040 --> 05:08:31,780
as a tax remade, after they create the jobs, which I do agree with that the money's there.

3470
05:08:32,420 --> 05:08:34,780
We can do that if we can, but we can look at that and see.

3471
05:08:35,640 --> 05:08:38,220
I don't think taking a hatchet to the whole thing is the right answer.

3472
05:08:38,540 --> 05:08:41,840
I would prefer the administrator to go back and say, look, we can take that $2.2 million.

3473
05:08:42,360 --> 05:08:44,980
We can see which departments have increased the most.

3474
05:08:45,480 --> 05:08:51,140
take the per capita amount of that $2.2 million dollars it was to share when you do per capita right share of the

3475
05:08:51,140 --> 05:08:57,940
Let's say this department this went up over a hundred percent is 5% 5% of that $2.2 million we take it from that fund

3476
05:08:58,340 --> 05:09:02,280
It's simple math if you're in business right simple math. I don't want to take a hatchet to it

3477
05:09:02,280 --> 05:09:07,980
We can but then we have something like what's happening to you a hatchet is closing the library. You're not happy with it, right?

3478
05:09:08,600 --> 05:09:09,460
Right, so that's a hatchet

3479
05:09:09,460 --> 05:09:11,540
Right, but if you trimmed off something

3480
05:09:12,040 --> 05:09:15,760
Let's say even libraries, we said look, we increase 54%, we need to cut 10%.

3481
05:09:15,760 --> 05:09:19,700
Can we keep all of them open to cut 10%, we can find 10% almost anywhere.

3482
05:09:20,040 --> 05:09:22,480
We're really good, you know, so why couldn't we do that?

3483
05:09:22,920 --> 05:09:23,600
That could be an option.

3484
05:09:23,900 --> 05:09:27,420
But until these other departments are where the libraries are at, to me I think that's fair.

3485
05:09:27,900 --> 05:09:28,800
They'll look at it that way.

3486
05:09:30,340 --> 05:09:33,340
What do we have to do to get this thing done because we have to do something today?

3487
05:09:33,880 --> 05:09:36,240
Because we have to communicate to you what your task bill will look like.

3488
05:09:36,940 --> 05:09:42,220
And my vision is rollback, it should be rollback, it should be the same amount that you had last year.

3489
05:09:42,700 --> 05:09:48,200
And that's the only responsible thing to do when looking at a constitutional amendment that could potentially cut 30%.

3490
05:09:48,700 --> 05:09:49,160
Thank you.

3491
05:09:49,700 --> 05:09:54,120
Thank you, we're going to take a break, just a second, because the clerk needs a break.

3492
05:09:54,300 --> 05:09:56,540
And we want to make sure that we honor that.

3493
05:09:57,460 --> 05:09:59,600
And I hope you stay around, but I'm going to say-

3494
05:09:59,600 --> 05:09:59,940
I'm going to say

3495
05:10:00,000 --> 05:10:29,960
One quick thing, to the point, none of us want to raise taxes, right? And you hear a lot of people out there saying as person voted, do they increase your taxes or that person increase your taxes? And, you know, that's true to a point, you know, sometimes to commissioner a lot of champions point, sometimes you're up against something so hard that you don't have a choice. If you want to, if you want to continue to move forward, but fire an EMS, that's the position that they

3496
05:10:29,960 --> 05:10:32,380
were in, they had to fund it, right?

3497
05:10:32,880 --> 05:10:35,100
And so they raised taxes to fund it, you know.

3498
05:10:35,580 --> 05:10:37,560
Some people voted no against that,

3499
05:10:37,840 --> 05:10:40,000
so they could say they didn't vote for it.

3500
05:10:40,180 --> 05:10:41,400
But it's the same people.

3501
05:10:41,780 --> 05:10:43,740
Commissioner champion has been here for 11 years.

3502
05:10:44,120 --> 05:10:45,840
And I appreciate the dialogue today.

3503
05:10:46,060 --> 05:10:49,420
I appreciate the respectful dialogue.

3504
05:10:50,280 --> 05:10:51,500
And then, by the way, Tim.

3505
05:10:52,180 --> 05:10:52,520
10 years.

3506
05:10:52,980 --> 05:10:53,320
10 years.

3507
05:10:54,380 --> 05:10:59,040
And, you know, I learned things from him.

3508
05:10:59,040 --> 05:11:06,260
I see things differently, sometimes when he talks, I don't agree with a lot of things

3509
05:11:06,260 --> 05:11:11,640
that he says, I don't agree definitely with the way he says a lot of things, but you

3510
05:11:11,640 --> 05:11:16,800
know what, we each are our own, right, and I guess that's what makes this world great.

3511
05:11:17,380 --> 05:11:23,660
Because if everybody was me, it'd be a poor pre-boring place, you know, so thank God for each

3512
05:11:25,720 --> 05:11:35,980
But go back and watch these videos and I've asked Commissioner Champion this before because he says he never voted to increase attacks for a tax increase, but he did it for 10 years in a row.

3513
05:11:38,480 --> 05:11:48,560
And maybe, maybe not, maybe the one year he didn't vote for it, you know, he voted no because it was really going up and to be able to say on the radio that he didn't vote for that tax.

3514
05:11:48,560 --> 05:11:54,020
You know, but every other year, I ask him even last year, you know, we could instead of

3515
05:11:54,020 --> 05:11:58,880
Instead of taking money from from the reserves, we could have cut the budget last year

3516
05:11:58,880 --> 05:12:02,860
We could have cut the budget the year before and we could have cut the budget the year before that

3517
05:12:02,860 --> 05:12:10,520
Go back and watch the videos and you will hear Commissioner champion over and over and over again say all you can vote for it

3518
05:12:10,520 --> 05:12:12,020
I'm not voting for it

3519
05:12:12,020 --> 05:12:17,340
But yet he voted nine years at least maybe ten to increase your taxes

3520
05:12:17,340 --> 05:12:19,980
But it'll sit up here and say he didn't do that, but he did.

3521
05:12:20,560 --> 05:12:23,020
He could have easily said, I'm a novo.

3522
05:12:23,280 --> 05:12:25,220
Just like I did the first year I was on the board.

3523
05:12:25,680 --> 05:12:27,200
I was a novo, right?

3524
05:12:27,420 --> 05:12:29,160
He could have done that, but he didn't.

3525
05:12:29,560 --> 05:12:33,280
So it's not accurate what he's saying that he's never increased it,

3526
05:12:33,340 --> 05:12:36,380
because every budget he's voted for, he's increased it.

3527
05:12:37,180 --> 05:12:37,740
Mr. Champion.

3528
05:12:38,300 --> 05:12:39,860
Thank you, I just want to clarify something.

3529
05:12:40,060 --> 05:12:43,660
I actually said on the record that we are increasing taxes that we don't do rollback.

3530
05:12:44,140 --> 05:12:46,420
So I never said, I said I've never increased millage.

3531
05:12:46,420 --> 05:12:51,000
I did not vote for Miller's now granted, is it a tax increase when you adopt the same

3532
05:12:51,000 --> 05:12:51,420
millage?

3533
05:12:51,580 --> 05:12:51,720
Yes.

3534
05:12:52,180 --> 05:12:53,840
And I've said that on the record several times.

3535
05:12:54,160 --> 05:12:59,220
So I knew very well your increase in taxes if you don't adopt the rollback rate, right.

3536
05:12:59,600 --> 05:13:00,840
You know, I said that on the record.

3537
05:13:00,960 --> 05:13:07,060
So I'll clarify right now, yes, I have voted for not the rollback because that was the compromise

3538
05:13:07,060 --> 05:13:07,560
we have.

3539
05:13:07,820 --> 05:13:09,800
Well, we're sitting here and we're compromising because we have to compromise.

3540
05:13:10,160 --> 05:13:12,800
We're not the compromise today, somehow you get it done, right?

3541
05:13:13,240 --> 05:13:14,320
You have to do what you got to do.

3542
05:13:14,320 --> 05:13:19,100
But I could take up what six or eight years of a millage decrease, I've always been

3543
05:13:19,100 --> 05:13:22,420
an advocate of more than that, you know, but we have to compromise in the end to get it done.

3544
05:13:22,660 --> 05:13:25,660
Last year was the actual first time engineers were actually cut taxes.

3545
05:13:25,980 --> 05:13:26,200
Thank you.

3546
05:13:26,560 --> 05:13:27,920
Thank you.

3547
05:13:27,920 --> 05:13:29,700
us to 218, thank you.

3548
05:24:23,950 --> 05:24:48,810
Maybe we can start eating that elephant one bite at a time. Can we talk about the other four rates that we have to hit for today and then work back to the general fund? Okay. I'm down with that. We can see we can make maybe we can at least cut a couple, cut a couple of those out of the way and. All right. Let me clear, let me clear our lights and we can come back to that and stray Rogers.

3549
05:24:51,650 --> 05:24:56,110
Yeah. I wasn't going to talk about that. I was going to, but let me all just say we're quick. Well, I want to say that.

3550
05:24:56,110 --> 05:24:59,810
And then you do talk about these military.

3551
05:25:00,000 --> 05:25:29,220
I just, I think I want to go on a record and say, I think, you know, we last year, you know, in the last two years, we've opened up this, talking about this, right? We get down the in here, looking for how we're going to set what the budget is going to be, you know, we get here by using reserves, and that reserve last year, and this meeting last year, we sat here, we cut $2.4 million in capital projects, and then, and then that was rolled back to get their fuel back.

3552
05:25:29,660 --> 05:25:46,020
And I mentioned, I'm able to speak to you last year, and I'll tell you again because I think I need to make sure that you understand, I'm sure you do, the commissioners understand, but going to roll back, you're going to have other reductions in your operating expenses in your county because there are expenses that are going to go up, right?

3553
05:25:46,020 --> 05:25:54,580
So expenses ever as goes up insurance goes up this call electric bills go up right so then when you set the rollback rate

3554
05:25:54,580 --> 05:25:59,940
The operations will decrease right and so I will make

3555
05:26:00,540 --> 05:26:02,880
reductions right in operations

3556
05:26:04,020 --> 05:26:11,860
To meet the rollback rate right so it was really unexpected like a month ago when I was an employee that I didn't let that left and I held the position

3557
05:26:11,860 --> 05:26:16,800
right? And that's what I do in rollback, is when people leave, I stop, we fill into positions.

3558
05:26:16,960 --> 05:26:20,100
I've done this, I'm under a 16 years of something in government services.

3559
05:26:20,300 --> 05:26:25,200
I've done a couple of this year every year, and so it didn't happen, and then I change operations,

3560
05:26:25,260 --> 05:26:30,500
because if I don't change the level of the operation, this, all it does is, this employees gets more work on it.

3561
05:26:30,560 --> 05:26:35,660
And I know that's not, I care a lot about it, because I think the service is from the community,

3562
05:26:35,660 --> 05:26:37,820
you all buy this, fly your team members, right?

3563
05:26:37,820 --> 05:26:40,660
and how much work our team members are doing every day.

3564
05:26:41,360 --> 05:26:43,280
And like Pine Island, it was a big, small thing I know.

3565
05:26:44,600 --> 05:26:47,600
But my team members were really excited about not having

3566
05:26:48,140 --> 05:26:50,280
people show up at their park that they take care of

3567
05:26:50,280 --> 05:26:51,820
and be all trashed every morning, right?

3568
05:26:52,260 --> 05:26:53,940
And so that was the person at night time.

3569
05:26:54,060 --> 05:26:55,460
We had to go out there and clean the park.

3570
05:26:55,460 --> 05:26:56,820
It was really beautiful in the morning.

3571
05:26:57,280 --> 05:26:57,980
We don't do that now.

3572
05:26:58,060 --> 05:26:58,820
I went there a Saturday night.

3573
05:26:58,820 --> 05:27:00,580
I stayed up to closing and I wanted to look.

3574
05:27:00,660 --> 05:27:01,940
I walked around to see what looked like.

3575
05:27:02,460 --> 05:27:04,040
And it was trash there in the cans and everything.

3576
05:27:04,260 --> 05:27:05,360
There was some flip-flop on the beach.

3577
05:27:05,520 --> 05:27:06,900
There was a piece of room full

3578
05:27:06,900 --> 05:27:08,760
and a half-eat and hot dog in the gross, right?

3579
05:27:09,160 --> 05:27:10,920
So offer us wonderful staff members

3580
05:27:10,920 --> 05:27:12,500
in the morning, eight, 30, we'll take care of that, right?

3581
05:27:12,920 --> 05:27:15,840
So when you start, you know, continuing now

3582
05:27:18,280 --> 05:27:20,340
to fix the budget to go to rollback,

3583
05:27:20,500 --> 05:27:22,140
let me just say the other situation is different

3584
05:27:22,140 --> 05:27:24,300
than last year, is I open up with,

3585
05:27:24,540 --> 05:27:26,220
and I just wanna say I think I disagree with you,

3586
05:27:26,320 --> 05:27:28,380
Mr. Champion, you know, we're going into

3587
05:27:28,760 --> 05:27:30,840
a big financial problem next year, right?

3588
05:27:31,360 --> 05:27:34,160
And so what's gonna happen is whatever that millage rate is,

3589
05:27:34,280 --> 05:27:36,280
you have is gonna, that's gonna be,

3590
05:27:36,280 --> 05:27:37,440
That's part of the equation, right?

3591
05:27:37,540 --> 05:27:41,120
The equation is millage, valuation of the property, right?

3592
05:27:41,880 --> 05:27:43,680
Equals the cost of the tax payer incentives.

3593
05:27:44,160 --> 05:27:46,620
The valuation of the property is going to go down, right?

3594
05:27:47,240 --> 05:27:50,640
And so, if you're going to decrease the mill,

3595
05:27:50,640 --> 05:27:51,860
you're going to basically do what you're going to do is,

3596
05:27:51,960 --> 05:27:53,020
we're going to decrease the millage rate

3597
05:27:53,020 --> 05:27:54,940
and we're going to decrease the valuation rate,

3598
05:27:55,120 --> 05:27:56,340
which is going to bring a less revenue,

3599
05:27:56,600 --> 05:27:57,540
which is fine, right?

3600
05:27:57,780 --> 05:28:00,900
Except that you're responsible for funding the law enforcement

3601
05:28:00,900 --> 05:28:02,360
and the Constitution officers.

3602
05:28:02,400 --> 05:28:05,200
And I've already told you today that the revenue

3603
05:28:05,200 --> 05:28:08,900
new that you get is today, even if you don't have the existing military, it's not going

3604
05:28:08,900 --> 05:28:09,340
to be enough.

3605
05:28:10,100 --> 05:28:14,340
I want we've already discussed that, that revenue will not fund next year, law enforcement

3606
05:28:14,340 --> 05:28:14,560
here.

3607
05:28:15,060 --> 05:28:21,700
So, decreasing the military back to CPI means that we will make operational charges again,

3608
05:28:21,840 --> 05:28:21,940
right?

3609
05:28:22,420 --> 05:28:30,180
And so it shouldn't really be today, to me, it's not unexpected that I close a library,

3610
05:28:30,400 --> 05:28:30,580
right?

3611
05:28:30,580 --> 05:28:39,640
Right? Everybody thinks why I picked a library? Well, last year we went to CPI, which means when you go to CPI,

3612
05:28:39,700 --> 05:28:45,920
when you go to, when you go to roll back, and I see that you're roll back, it means you have to make operational changes to take on the cost of the libraries.

3613
05:28:46,220 --> 05:28:55,400
So the parts of the library system, the subscription for the book service, the electric bills, the cleaning services, the maintenance, the air conditioning systems, that goes up.

3614
05:28:55,400 --> 05:29:01,440
I have to cut the other cost and what happens is I had enough to the library.

3615
05:29:01,640 --> 05:29:04,940
So it shouldn't really be an example because the boy directed me that to you.

3616
05:29:05,180 --> 05:29:06,300
That's how I feel last year.

3617
05:29:06,740 --> 05:29:07,480
We went to rollback.

3618
05:29:07,640 --> 05:29:09,600
Then we went 3% lower to rollback.

3619
05:29:10,060 --> 05:29:14,100
And I know we had reserves, but what you did was use the reserves to fund the systems.

3620
05:29:14,280 --> 05:29:15,340
The reserves aren't there this year.

3621
05:29:15,840 --> 05:29:16,560
So I do a go on record.

3622
05:29:16,780 --> 05:29:21,440
I think going to rollback again this year, before we're going to have a big financial

3623
05:29:21,440 --> 05:29:26,260
upon next year, it puts you in a worst financial system next year, then you are this year,

3624
05:29:26,540 --> 05:29:26,720
right?

3625
05:29:27,200 --> 05:29:32,000
And so you're going to have a tougher situation next September than you will now.

3626
05:29:32,680 --> 05:29:35,280
And so my suggestion is you're right.

3627
05:29:35,780 --> 05:29:41,100
I suggest you close departments if you're going to go, start going to roll back again because

3628
05:29:41,100 --> 05:29:46,440
you're going to have to close, you're going to have to cut expenses, because expenses are going to go up.

3629
05:29:46,440 --> 05:29:50,760
go up, unless the bills are going to go up, the lawn service is going to go up. All those

3630
05:29:50,760 --> 05:29:54,420
things are going to go up to the county, and we have to make it equal. I have to cut the

3631
05:29:54,420 --> 05:29:59,820
expenses the other way to make it equal. So that's going for that way.

3632
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:28,760
The last thing if you did want to go to roll back, we talked about this a lot for roll back, you know, roll back maybe and see, I don't like CPIs because there's CPIs for, they're really for every industry, if you know a little bit about them, that they haven't for all of you having health care and construction kind of CPI, construction cost go up different than medical cost go up, right? And so, but see there is one for government, I think you have to think like ten of them, mix them up, but there's one CPI that we kind of use 3.5 or something.

3633
05:30:28,760 --> 05:30:32,400
in the upper region and everything, you take out food and groceries out of them.

3634
05:30:33,000 --> 05:30:37,840
But if you went to CPI, if you went to rollback plus your CPI because your government's

3635
05:30:37,840 --> 05:30:41,760
going to have those expenses to make it in that way, you're going to take care of the

3636
05:30:41,760 --> 05:30:45,240
expenses that come in and maybe then the operation of flat, there's no new additions,

3637
05:30:45,800 --> 05:30:50,200
no new programs, and like that, that way you would end up with rollback plus CPI.

3638
05:30:50,320 --> 05:30:52,960
Maybe that's a way to go forward in the future.

3639
05:30:53,580 --> 05:30:57,400
I just know if you did that this year, if you did rollback plus CPI,

3640
05:30:57,400 --> 05:31:02,060
It would fund enough and it would basically fund it out going forward and you could probably

3641
05:31:02,060 --> 05:31:03,360
keep the library open this year.

3642
05:31:03,840 --> 05:31:07,040
And you went the low back end and all you did was the inflation because the inflation

3643
05:31:07,040 --> 05:31:10,160
as we know they didn't drop interest rates yesterday right out and he walked up track

3644
05:31:10,160 --> 05:31:10,800
to limit that stuff.

3645
05:31:11,300 --> 05:31:12,820
And so that's how you control.

3646
05:31:13,620 --> 05:31:20,840
If you want to go to roll back, I think lowering knowledge going into this next year, actually

3647
05:31:20,840 --> 05:31:25,360
lowering knowledge on a year, your existing revenues don't equal your expenses.

3648
05:31:25,360 --> 05:31:31,020
So the first thing we'll do is we'll reduce the revenues and make it harder to even have

3649
05:31:31,020 --> 05:31:32,380
the revenues equal the expenses.

3650
05:31:33,120 --> 05:31:34,700
I just think it's wrong.

3651
05:31:35,140 --> 05:31:38,500
I think you should keep your revenues the same and cut your expenses if you don't.

3652
05:31:38,720 --> 05:31:43,500
Or personally, in my opinion, I know that I'm weighing more than this is I ought to increase

3653
05:31:43,500 --> 05:31:48,200
the revenues like the .1 and fund it because that sets you up even better next year.

3654
05:31:48,520 --> 05:31:52,480
And if it doesn't pass next year, then drop the millions next year, that .1 next year.

3655
05:31:52,480 --> 05:31:56,420
But you might I would set myself up for like about a big expense coming up

3656
05:31:56,420 --> 05:31:58,500
I would probably save a little bit more money

3657
05:31:58,500 --> 05:32:02,240
I would not cut my revenue when I had a big expense next year

3658
05:32:02,240 --> 05:32:05,680
So I would actually that's why I said my first proposal was point one

3659
05:32:06,300 --> 05:32:10,020
Increase and I didn't bring it because I didn't think the board would do it

3660
05:32:10,020 --> 05:32:15,620
And I'm sure you won't but I would do that that we set yourself up even either next year and wait for the seeing the pass

3661
05:32:16,540 --> 05:32:21,180
Don't stop spending a lot of money. We've done that. We've stopped. We've delayed every construction project

3662
05:32:21,180 --> 05:32:32,700
that until after the November vote, we've delayed a lot of positions that waiting to see if they're going to held or not, and then go forward in November and December and make a decision, but that would be my recommendation.

3663
05:32:33,540 --> 05:32:41,180
The last thing we do have is that past practice, there is a, we cut most of the capital projects.

3664
05:32:44,220 --> 05:33:01,360
I think I have $900,000 in general fund capital projects that you could, I mean, we went through them and prioritized them, yes, know which ones and we have the line 100,000 left for some reason, these ones are the ones that we thought maybe we should try to do still.

3665
05:33:01,360 --> 05:33:06,460
I think there's an end-to-beach boat ramp resurfacing, PEC sync parking light, ABDA,

3666
05:33:06,760 --> 05:33:11,340
there's a Cypress Reserve boardwalk there.

3667
05:33:13,100 --> 05:33:19,200
There's a maintenance contract for the water plant match and see if we got to do that.

3668
05:33:19,300 --> 05:33:21,480
Eventually that water plant, we can bother you later year.

3669
05:33:21,940 --> 05:33:27,800
So there's 900,000 there, that would basically keep the library open and you can keep your millage the same as it is and wait for November.

3670
05:33:28,100 --> 05:33:30,080
But that would be my recommendations, but thank you, sir.

3671
05:33:30,080 --> 05:33:30,820
Thank you, sir.

3672
05:33:31,120 --> 05:33:31,820
Commissioner Trambe.

3673
05:33:32,020 --> 05:33:32,480
Thank you.

3674
05:33:33,080 --> 05:33:33,920
So, a couple things.

3675
05:33:34,460 --> 05:33:37,040
First off, the $2.2 million that we're talking about, right?

3676
05:33:37,160 --> 05:33:38,400
There's 18.5% reserves.

3677
05:33:38,600 --> 05:33:41,860
I mean, it's $407,000 would not have to be cut from the budget.

3678
05:33:41,860 --> 05:33:46,000
Because by cutting this, you're reducing the amount of reserves.

3679
05:33:46,320 --> 05:33:46,760
Right, correct?

3680
05:33:47,240 --> 05:33:48,200
So, there's a 1.8 million.

3681
05:33:48,280 --> 05:33:50,000
It has to be taken out.

3682
05:33:50,340 --> 05:33:54,600
Now, according to the administrator, what are you saying about the budget and

3683
05:33:54,600 --> 05:33:55,660
stuff about leaving it?

3684
05:33:55,680 --> 05:33:57,640
You know, leaving as is and going from there.

3685
05:33:57,640 --> 05:34:02,320
I argue what I respectfully disagree, and again, here's why math is a math here.

3686
05:34:02,720 --> 05:34:03,680
Let me talk about math, right?

3687
05:34:04,140 --> 05:34:11,220
So, the homestead properties, the first, say it passes, the very first one 40% will have nothing on their side.

3688
05:34:11,800 --> 05:34:18,400
You know, the second one, the second year when it goes to 250, 90% of the properties will have no tax on our side, right?

3689
05:34:18,500 --> 05:34:26,300
So, if you increase 1.7% right now, then that 1.7% is an additional amount you need to cut

3690
05:34:26,300 --> 05:34:30,640
When you go into these cuts, because you remember, evaluations is what's going to be cut.

3691
05:34:30,820 --> 05:34:36,440
So the value of your home is, if it's worth 100 grand, that first year cut, that means you pay no tax

3692
05:34:36,440 --> 05:34:42,540
out into school tax, and they be you that goes to the fire department, and there's some TUs in there too and stuff.

3693
05:34:42,800 --> 05:34:46,420
That'll still be, well, if the TUs, I don't know about that, I don't know if that was going to be the way to do it.

3694
05:34:46,480 --> 05:34:51,520
There's a hundred percent effective to say that the TUs would be to say, but the point is, is that why would

3695
05:34:51,520 --> 05:34:54,400
you increase anything when you know this is looming?

3696
05:34:54,400 --> 05:34:59,840
You know, you can't increase knowing you're going to have to cut even more work when the taxi goes served.

3697
05:35:00,000 --> 05:35:29,500
That's my position on it. And I tell you, I think it's very reasonable to say rollback at this point. Last year we did rollback plus 3%, I get it, the argument saying, hey, you know, we use the reserves, whatever I get. I understand you want to get 18.5 now. There is no room to cut that. Of course, we're going to have to go through it. I'm going through it. I'm going through it. Right. I'm writing a few departments down. That's what we have to do. But it's not responsible. And more importantly, it's not with the majority of this community once majority of this community wants this tax to go down. That's what it is. Like it or not.

3698
05:35:29,500 --> 05:35:36,280
That's the truth and you'll see it in the ballot box and if you look at the polls now, this county's more like 80% going to vote for it

3699
05:35:36,280 --> 05:35:42,100
Like yeah, the state might be at 50 at 64% but this county and the counties around us trust me

3700
05:35:42,100 --> 05:35:45,820
They're going to come out and droves about this tax cut and so to me

3701
05:35:46,560 --> 05:35:52,000
Responsible member I vote I I'm here because of you. I've represented citizens. You may not agree with me and everything

3702
05:35:52,000 --> 05:35:56,760
But you know what you do. I do represent the citizens. I don't represent him. I don't represent any of these any of these

3703
05:35:58,760 --> 05:36:01,260
But as an administrator, I don't represent him.

3704
05:36:01,720 --> 05:36:05,560
I represent you and what the public is saying, cut my taxes.

3705
05:36:06,120 --> 05:36:10,720
And I'm not taking a hatchet to it and saying, cut it 20%.

3706
05:36:10,720 --> 05:36:12,440
That would be a lot.

3707
05:36:12,960 --> 05:36:15,680
But to say that we live on the same amount we had this year,

3708
05:36:16,060 --> 05:36:17,260
is that the end of the world?

3709
05:36:17,880 --> 05:36:18,640
I don't think it is.

3710
05:36:19,360 --> 05:36:21,280
But you know, when you get all these presentations,

3711
05:36:21,280 --> 05:36:23,820
you got to look at it and you say, okay, well, where's the increase?

3712
05:36:23,940 --> 05:36:25,820
And I'm looking at these budgets and I'm going to go,

3713
05:36:25,820 --> 05:36:27,300
Okay, how much did he spend in 25?

3714
05:36:27,960 --> 05:36:28,960
How much did he spend in 26?

3715
05:36:29,540 --> 05:36:30,280
That's where I'm looking.

3716
05:36:30,940 --> 05:36:32,740
So if there's a big number, like PIO,

3717
05:36:33,460 --> 05:36:35,960
like the PIO, 100 grams got to come from that.

3718
05:36:36,200 --> 05:36:36,840
It's more than doubled.

3719
05:36:37,420 --> 05:36:37,940
So guess what?

3720
05:36:38,460 --> 05:36:40,260
We'll shift some people around, move down to the department.

3721
05:36:40,620 --> 05:36:41,200
Maybe that's one.

3722
05:36:41,620 --> 05:36:42,260
Economic development.

3723
05:36:42,540 --> 05:36:43,160
Do we have to have it?

3724
05:36:43,400 --> 05:36:43,940
Absolutely not.

3725
05:36:44,440 --> 05:36:45,460
We can cut the whole program.

3726
05:36:45,720 --> 05:36:46,980
Do I want to do that?

3727
05:36:47,140 --> 05:36:47,320
No.

3728
05:36:47,680 --> 05:36:50,560
I'd rather him go back and take this one point eight things.

3729
05:36:50,640 --> 05:36:51,580
That's really what's got to be cut.

3730
05:36:52,000 --> 05:36:54,360
Look at them per capita and take that from it.

3731
05:36:54,360 --> 05:36:57,520
That doesn't mean I'm going to leave that way because when we come back to the other

3732
05:36:57,520 --> 05:37:01,620
bunch of meetings, we know that the maximum that we can do for you is rollback.

3733
05:37:02,100 --> 05:37:06,900
That means if we set maximum a rollback, they've all committed to a tax cut for you.

3734
05:37:07,740 --> 05:37:10,780
You know, if we don't, let's say we adopt it, we can easily do that.

3735
05:37:10,900 --> 05:37:14,920
We can easily say right now, go along to get along 1.2% wherever it is, go ahead and

3736
05:37:14,920 --> 05:37:16,780
go with it, even though we have intention to leave it flat.

3737
05:37:17,540 --> 05:37:21,680
But then by sending a misleading message, I think the statement that comes out to you in

3738
05:37:21,680 --> 05:37:28,040
mail in September it should say rollback on it because the new law says that's what we're supposed to start

3739
05:37:28,040 --> 05:37:33,660
we're supposed to start with rollback and it was supposed to justify that's why you need four votes for any

3740
05:37:33,660 --> 05:37:40,120
increase you need four of us all four of us agree for one dollar increase and I'm voting no no

3741
05:37:40,120 --> 05:37:45,720
increase to your taxes I didn't say cut it no increase so if we have to sit her all night sit her all

3742
05:37:45,720 --> 05:37:49,700
night oh we won't get a decision at all but I guarantee you the public's on my side that's all I

3743
05:37:49,700 --> 05:37:50,240
I guess they, thank you.

3744
05:37:50,640 --> 05:37:50,920
Thank you.

3745
05:37:51,500 --> 05:37:56,860
All right, let's go for the sake of trying to move forward.

3746
05:37:57,060 --> 05:38:01,940
Let's go down the line and get justice on if we have consensus for rollback.

3747
05:38:02,080 --> 05:38:03,640
We know what Commissioner Champion is.

3748
05:38:04,420 --> 05:38:05,460
He's on rollback.

3749
05:38:06,120 --> 05:38:07,080
Commissioner Lacko.

3750
05:38:10,550 --> 05:38:12,250
I'm concerned at rollback.

3751
05:38:13,010 --> 05:38:16,370
Okay, I'm concerned about that, but unfortunately that's where we're at.

3752
05:38:17,310 --> 05:38:22,530
I'm concerned about the fact that if we go to, and I was going to say, rollback.

3753
05:38:22,530 --> 05:38:34,490
The whole back would be awesome if we had zero inflation in new mandates because we would be in the exact same spot on September 1st, I mean on October 1st.

3754
05:38:34,930 --> 05:38:47,150
But because we have inflation and we cause we have increased expenses that were added through mandates and just the cost of everything going up, we can't provide the same level of service by going to roll back.

3755
05:38:48,590 --> 05:38:53,970
We already know we have the money that we took out of reserves, which is a we've already

3756
05:38:53,970 --> 05:39:00,150
have to reduce where we're at, so that's where my concern is, just being straight up,

3757
05:39:00,310 --> 05:39:07,030
I guess I said, if we were in a neutral situation or a recession, we'd be in a better spot,

3758
05:39:07,350 --> 05:39:09,030
right, but we're not, we're still in inflation.

3759
05:39:10,250 --> 05:39:15,850
Okay, so do you want to do the exercise with the rollback or do you want to set the rate

3760
05:39:16,610 --> 05:39:26,810
I want to go through the other for rates, and let's get something going on there where we can actually, and then come back to general funders, what I would like to do.

3761
05:39:27,190 --> 05:39:27,670
Attorney Joe.

3762
05:39:27,990 --> 05:39:34,930
Just once again, you have to make cuts to the individual line items in the budget, and that will determine what the rate is.

3763
05:39:34,930 --> 05:39:35,350
Those are out.

3764
05:39:35,490 --> 05:39:35,790
We understand.

3765
05:39:36,170 --> 05:39:38,310
No, those rates are separate items.

3766
05:39:38,450 --> 05:39:39,510
We have rates on each one of them.

3767
05:39:39,750 --> 05:39:40,550
No, no, no, no, no.

3768
05:39:40,550 --> 05:39:41,170
We have, we have.

3769
05:39:41,190 --> 05:39:43,790
Your vote is theoretically on the budget now.

3770
05:39:43,790 --> 05:39:44,230
No, we understand.

3771
05:39:50,670 --> 05:39:53,730
That's what I want to go through, right?

3772
05:39:54,550 --> 05:39:54,690
Okay.

3773
05:39:55,050 --> 05:39:55,270
I understand.

3774
05:39:55,970 --> 05:39:56,370
Uh,

3775
05:39:58,500 --> 05:39:59,280
give us your hand, sir.

3776
05:39:59,780 --> 05:39:59,960
I'll look.

3777
05:40:00,780 --> 05:40:01,660
Okay. Yeah.

3778
05:40:03,760 --> 05:40:24,680
Well, that didn't work. All right. Let me see. Can we get that up here? That? Either on the, uh, I'm out. All that. All the military. Yeah. The rates, I guess. And then we'll just go. We'll just ask about the budget. That's associated with that.

3779
05:40:36,850 --> 05:40:44,220
Can we switch to computer please

3780
05:40:52,600 --> 05:41:09,280
that's

3781
05:41:13,180 --> 05:41:15,900
why

3782
05:41:47,680 --> 05:41:48,160
But

3783
05:41:50,790 --> 05:42:01,070
I'll just make comment on not depends, just the county, you know, the county, you know, is our budget is

3784
05:42:03,630 --> 05:42:05,810
reduced a lot over this year, right?

3785
05:42:05,970 --> 05:42:13,110
So the fact that the general fund budget, you know, new mayor, that's the past few years, I've been three or five or seven percent up every year.

3786
05:42:14,510 --> 05:42:38,910
We're way negative this year, like 9.7% I think it's the last number, so you're not that I believe our costumes are supposed to do a great job also, you're going to go ahead and continue because we remember we're up, we forgot the whole process right, we started earlier this year, I got the county budgets in, I got the constitutional budgets in, and the county was up 6%.

3787
05:42:38,910 --> 05:42:45,550
So I'm down 9.7%, so I don't know what, 6 and 9 is a 15% reduction that has happened to this year's

3788
05:42:46,650 --> 05:42:47,050
VOCC

3789
05:42:47,830 --> 05:42:52,530
General and VOCC Departments budgets have been reduced that much already, right?

3790
05:42:52,710 --> 05:42:54,530
And so that's a lot of

3791
05:42:55,490 --> 05:42:56,610
held operations cut

3792
05:42:57,730 --> 05:43:03,610
Fiscities found solutions and reduction, so we're going to go reduce it more on this side and there's nothing

3793
05:43:03,610 --> 05:43:08,830
I mean, not that I look at other constant losses, but this really should happen in September, I'll tell you that when you

3794
05:43:08,910 --> 05:43:27,210
to see if there's any savings from your constitution author that they might have $500,000, $300,000, I'm sure that if the county goes and cuts millions and millions that cut in the last two months, I'll show you 3.5 million on one screen today that I cut and there's another couple of million beyond that.

3795
05:43:27,210 --> 05:43:33,550
I mean, your cost resolution might, but it helped you get this other million advice you go in, but you, that you have

3796
05:43:33,550 --> 05:43:40,530
decision about what you're going to affect the level of services and I'll put you on notice that you're not in the end as you figure out

3797
05:43:40,530 --> 05:43:47,350
some way to cut something that doesn't affect anybody, but there's going to be some way not to have not it's not happy when I change operations.

3798
05:43:48,770 --> 05:43:51,650
All right, Commissioner Ockerman, I'm going to let you start this conversation.

3799
05:43:51,650 --> 05:43:58,570
I just want to I want to go over and make sure each one of those the EMS are we looking at

3800
05:43:59,770 --> 05:44:06,290
If I 26 rate are we looking and we're looking at where we're going right right so rollback is there

3801
05:44:07,110 --> 05:44:15,990
We're good. We have any issues with rollback at that level for EMS. No, we're good. I'm something we're just

3802
05:44:15,990 --> 05:44:17,470
Everything's good with

3803
05:44:18,130 --> 05:44:19,690
Fire an EMS with the rollback

3804
05:44:19,690 --> 05:44:36,090
That's what I'm so we would have to have a chief the budget as presented has the current rates that we have to go and cut right. That's what I'm talking about. So if we're going rollback, I've got no, oh, but if we go to rollback, we're talking about rollback, right?

3805
05:44:36,410 --> 05:44:36,770
Right.

3806
05:44:36,830 --> 05:44:38,990
Right. So that's why we're having a conversation.

3807
05:44:43,510 --> 05:44:45,790
What does what does that mean to EMS?

3808
05:44:47,050 --> 05:44:59,030
Well, how far far should the public say to director so about $300,000 what does it mean to service levels is it going to affect service levels?

3809
05:45:04,960 --> 05:45:30,760
Reserves, I mean, when we have the in reserves, we can use reserves to pay for when you. That's what we will have to do, right? I'm just want to walk through this. Or I'm cutting something out of the proposed closure. Was that or I'm cutting 300,000 out of the proposed. Thank you. And the last I'm using.

3810
05:45:32,520 --> 05:45:38,320
I can use some other reserves because we're talking about rollback rollback is rollback, right?

3811
05:45:40,060 --> 05:45:45,720
Well, that's why I was trying to understand before we before we start talking about rollback, do we have

3812
05:45:46,540 --> 05:45:50,700
consensus to go to rollback? Well, that's well, that's that's why this is how and how and how

3813
05:45:50,700 --> 05:45:55,140
the conversation we talk. We can roll about rollback, help the part and we're talking rolling back,

3814
05:45:55,160 --> 05:45:59,460
stormwater, talk about rolling back transportation, we're talking about rolling back ENS.

3815
05:45:59,460 --> 05:46:06,440
Right because we came in flat on fire, but this would be a reduction for EMS.

3816
05:46:08,160 --> 05:46:11,620
That's the conversation I want to have, because that's what we're talking about.

3817
05:46:11,980 --> 05:46:12,140
Okay.

3818
05:46:14,960 --> 05:46:20,440
Yeah, you see, you see I, okay, yeah, is the reduction value.

3819
05:46:21,500 --> 05:46:24,660
Commissioner champion, it's going to say that it's not a reduction, it's the same.

3820
05:46:25,040 --> 05:46:28,820
I understand that it's going to reduce his budget, but it's the same as what we spent my share.

3821
05:46:31,140 --> 05:46:36,340
I agree with that, but it doesn't mean the same level of service because the costs

3822
05:46:36,340 --> 05:46:38,240
went up to provide the same service.

3823
05:46:38,260 --> 05:46:39,580
I mean, it depends on what you look at.

3824
05:46:39,860 --> 05:46:42,520
You know, like everybody's talking about insurance, insurance went down millions.

3825
05:46:44,260 --> 05:46:45,040
Billions went down.

3826
05:46:45,220 --> 05:46:47,180
But everybody's talking, look at the budget book.

3827
05:46:47,900 --> 05:46:49,400
The insurance is plummeting down.

3828
05:46:49,820 --> 05:46:50,280
It's coming down.

3829
05:46:50,680 --> 05:46:52,160
But we like to talk about how it went up.

3830
05:46:52,500 --> 05:46:54,080
I can show you on here that it went way down.

3831
05:46:55,560 --> 05:47:01,860
But there are things that you got listed when this constitutional amendment passes, these will be affected too.

3832
05:47:02,680 --> 05:47:05,900
I'm not disagreeing with you.

3833
05:47:06,020 --> 05:47:10,180
I have to vote on this one and I want to make sure that if we go to real back,

3834
05:47:10,400 --> 05:47:15,280
are we going to see a reduction in service level from EMS with this or is it,

3835
05:47:15,600 --> 05:47:20,100
is it going to be absorbed because of insurance cost difference?

3836
05:47:20,100 --> 05:47:25,980
or I mean, obviously fuel didn't go down for your rigs, so that's not going to be a benefit there.

3837
05:47:26,200 --> 05:47:30,760
That's where I'm going, and I just want to make sure we're being open, transparent, what this means.

3838
05:47:38,510 --> 05:47:45,670
Is there, will there be a change in level of service, or will we absorb it through cost savings or whatever else available?

3839
05:47:47,960 --> 05:47:57,240
something I'll be affected by $300 or $300,000 reduction if I'm allowed to use reserves

3840
05:47:57,240 --> 05:48:02,940
and that solves that problem. If not, then I got to go look and see where I'm going

3841
05:48:02,940 --> 05:48:04,000
to take $300,000.

3842
05:48:06,200 --> 05:48:10,060
I'll figure it out. Give me a couple of minutes. I'll go look at it.

3843
05:48:10,260 --> 05:48:18,440
But if I got to take $300,000 out of it, I'll go look at it, figure it out. I don't know

3844
05:48:18,440 --> 05:48:28,020
that people, but some sort of service-level capability, whether it's equipment, there's a lot

3845
05:48:28,020 --> 05:48:33,640
of all the maintenance stuff, the EMS supplies, a lot of stuff I've got to do too.

3846
05:48:34,880 --> 05:48:37,260
And I recognize that's why I'm asking the question.

3847
05:48:37,960 --> 05:48:42,060
I don't want to just pretend that it's negligible.

3848
05:48:42,060 --> 05:49:08,760
The remind me chief your reserves. You have reserves on both sides or just total reserves both sides, okay, because the reserves on the fireside it was baked into those numbers that we all talked about we kept it flat reserves was baked into that we were using a reserve over time did the MSP rate yes, yes, okay.

3849
05:49:10,860 --> 05:49:28,640
Thank you, Mr. Sherman, so am I reading this correctly that the 0.8957 would be the 27 rollback rate instead of the 0.91 difference of 0143, 278,000.

3850
05:49:30,500 --> 05:49:34,280
Okay, so you'd have to find 278,000

3851
05:49:38,630 --> 05:49:47,970
what do you think you can define those now I mean I know that but I will be some good reserves there most likely but is there what does

3852
05:49:47,970 --> 05:49:52,590
that look like and in spending for the budget that 278 is that quantified

3853
05:49:57,870 --> 05:49:59,150
to potentially in operations?

3854
05:50:03,180 --> 05:50:11,720
I have to give me a minute to go look at my health. If you want. I'll try to figure out what I cut for $207,000.

3855
05:50:16,440 --> 05:50:29,860
I can measure a champion. Just want to clarify something. So we all voted, I think it was unanimous, to keep the fire fee the same. That does not mean that the new revenue coming in from the new homes was cut, it wasn't.

3856
05:50:29,860 --> 05:50:39,220
So let them fool you, there's money, extra money coming in because all the new homes that were built and you do not have to wait as soon as the CEO happens, it's per rated and the money comes into the government.

3857
05:50:39,760 --> 05:50:46,220
So let's say there's 2,000 homes, down to $360,000, that's how much they're collecting extra on top of the rate.

3858
05:50:47,200 --> 05:50:54,280
So I just want to clarify that, that's what was voted on, so there will be more revenue coming into the fire department than this year.

3859
05:50:55,880 --> 05:50:56,820
Thank you, sir.

3860
05:50:58,200 --> 05:51:03,580
Chief or administrator, one of the budget experts can answer this.

3861
05:51:06,390 --> 05:51:17,030
When we were looking at the fire numbers, wasn't the new growth used to get those numbers?

3862
05:51:18,290 --> 05:51:20,290
Yeah, we have an estimated growth rate.

3863
05:51:20,290 --> 05:51:23,150
So it's in that rest of me did that study twice last year.

3864
05:51:23,390 --> 05:51:24,750
So we estimate a wall of the new house.

3865
05:51:24,870 --> 05:51:28,230
So we plan on the revenue from the thousands into the study.

3866
05:51:28,330 --> 05:51:28,750
Yeah, right.

3867
05:51:29,050 --> 05:51:32,270
I agree with you, Commissioner Champion,

3868
05:51:32,410 --> 05:51:33,510
that there's money there.

3869
05:51:33,650 --> 05:51:36,150
But that money was already baked into the numbers.

3870
05:51:36,550 --> 05:51:37,930
I've just seen it in general.

3871
05:51:38,170 --> 05:51:40,250
I wonder if that number is a separate category anyway.

3872
05:51:40,410 --> 05:51:40,710
I understand.

3873
05:51:41,170 --> 05:51:41,290
Yeah.

3874
05:51:43,540 --> 05:51:43,980
OK.

3875
05:51:47,450 --> 05:51:50,650
I need some kind of a direction if

3876
05:51:54,170 --> 05:51:55,150
heading

3877
05:51:55,150 --> 05:52:02,770
towards the point of cutting a total of $2.4 million from our budget.

3878
05:52:03,550 --> 05:52:09,810
So if we're going through that exercise, we can, or whatever the direction of the board is.

3879
05:52:10,210 --> 05:52:10,850
Commissioner Alaka.

3880
05:52:11,010 --> 05:52:15,110
Okay, so if we go, if we're waiting on chief right now, just looking at that, we go to transportation.

3881
05:52:15,870 --> 05:52:21,330
Earlier today, this board was talking about the issues with roads and transportation and that.

3882
05:52:21,330 --> 05:52:30,370
And that, in fact, we had a clear thing he wanted to increase the money that was being collected from this transportation trust, this would be a reduction.

3883
05:52:31,310 --> 05:52:35,930
I just want, this is all I'm saying, I just want to go through this process and see what this looks like.

3884
05:52:36,350 --> 05:52:45,270
So that would be a reduction in transportation, not in addition to transportation because it'll be a reduction of $250,000 basically.

3885
05:52:50,640 --> 05:52:57,180
I just wanted to clarify that the cut we would be needing to look for in the fire budget would be from EMS only.

3886
05:52:57,420 --> 05:52:57,660
Understood.

3887
05:52:58,180 --> 05:52:58,760
Thank you, sir.

3888
05:53:00,340 --> 05:53:01,140
Commissioner champion.

3889
05:53:01,600 --> 05:53:01,840
Thank you.

3890
05:53:01,880 --> 05:53:07,900
It's going to clarify, okay, it's a 2.4 million, it's over 400,000 that comes out reserves, you've got to cut 2 million.

3891
05:53:08,460 --> 05:53:14,760
And remember, these things from rollback is an increase, they're cutting the increase, not cutting what they spent last year.

3892
05:53:14,760 --> 05:53:18,560
the increase above last year, or this year we're in now.

3893
05:53:19,180 --> 05:53:23,780
So when they say cut, it's not cutting, it's cutting to increase.

3894
05:53:24,400 --> 05:53:26,680
So I just want to clarify to you, because it's government math again.

3895
05:53:27,160 --> 05:53:29,500
You would never run your business this way, that's all I can tell you.

3896
05:53:29,900 --> 05:53:31,120
Thank you, sir.

3897
05:53:35,420 --> 05:53:36,200
Teri, do you have one?

3898
05:53:36,880 --> 05:53:37,240
I like it.

3899
05:53:37,540 --> 05:53:37,620
Oh.

3900
05:53:38,400 --> 05:53:39,240
Commissioner Alaco.

3901
05:53:39,420 --> 05:53:40,560
Yeah, just so again.

3902
05:53:40,980 --> 05:53:45,240
I'm not disagreeing with Commissioner Champeon saying what I'm saying is we're talking about

3903
05:53:45,240 --> 05:53:47,820
growth, we're talking about more people being here.

3904
05:53:48,600 --> 05:53:56,140
So we're going to have this same amount of money to do what we did last year with more people and higher expenses.

3905
05:53:58,000 --> 05:54:00,300
That's why we're just talking about roads.

3906
05:54:00,600 --> 05:54:03,180
Again, that's why I want to come up to this, right?

3907
05:54:04,140 --> 05:54:09,680
We also have had lots of people coming into us with issues about storm water.

3908
05:54:10,340 --> 05:54:12,560
We've heard it almost every single meeting.

3909
05:54:13,200 --> 05:54:15,300
It's the only reason why I'm bringing up with this.

3910
05:54:15,460 --> 05:54:20,680
I don't want the public to think that they're going to get exactly the same as they got last year.

3911
05:54:21,160 --> 05:54:28,240
If we have more people and we have higher expenses, it's not going to provide the same amount of service.

3912
05:54:28,660 --> 05:54:30,960
That's all I want to do is be transparent about that.

3913
05:54:32,180 --> 05:54:32,840
Thank you, sir.

3914
05:54:33,440 --> 05:54:33,960
Can I share any more?

3915
05:54:34,820 --> 05:54:39,000
I mean, we don't have to next to each one of them.

3916
05:54:39,000 --> 05:54:45,000
And we can shape however we want to, you know, if we transportation the roads are important

3917
05:54:45,000 --> 05:54:47,940
to us, we can raise that, and we can cut other ones.

3918
05:54:48,540 --> 05:54:50,420
You can cut other ones, yeah.

3919
05:54:51,220 --> 05:54:58,600
So, I mean, we can raise that to .02 on transportation, stormwater issues, I don't usually hear

3920
05:54:58,600 --> 05:54:59,840
that we don't have enough money usually.

3921
05:55:00,000 --> 05:55:08,700
I hear that the issue is with a lot, where there are neighbors a lot, and we can't fix it. I haven't heard that we have money issues with it.

3922
05:55:09,140 --> 05:55:20,620
Oh, it's 99% of the time. It's money issues because I get a lot of complaints that we just, you know, they have an issue with their yard or something that's wrong. There are some of those.

3923
05:55:20,620 --> 05:55:24,520
I'm a majority of them are money issues.

3924
05:55:24,820 --> 05:55:32,940
My other question is, I know we got presented a budget, but I'm sure staff probably has

3925
05:55:33,590 --> 05:55:40,500
like, one option sadly looked at previously that we kicked out, because we probably went

3926
05:55:40,500 --> 05:55:46,260
through like 20, 30 ideas before we got to the idea of like closing Western Andrew library,

3927
05:55:46,580 --> 05:55:46,740
right?

3928
05:55:47,700 --> 05:55:50,740
So I mean, what ideas do we have thus far?

3929
05:55:51,360 --> 05:55:57,760
Sure, I have three options that obviously went through a lot of things that didn't work out.

3930
05:55:57,880 --> 05:56:05,760
So there's three options I have on the table that I chose this one because of the board line of some knowledge, right?

3931
05:56:06,080 --> 05:56:15,540
And so, and I prefer if we're going to cut stuff, I think we need to learn a little less in the last couple years.

3932
05:56:15,540 --> 05:56:18,500
We keep cutting one time expenses, right?

3933
05:56:18,740 --> 05:56:25,400
And so if that was a good solution, we should be okay in revenues and expenses today, right?

3934
05:56:25,780 --> 05:56:29,600
But it hasn't worked because we keep using reserves and cutting one time cattle projects.

3935
05:56:29,740 --> 05:56:32,660
Now, private projects don't go away, they just get delayed, right?

3936
05:56:32,740 --> 05:56:38,620
And so I just move out air conditioners and parking lots and CIP projects, I just move them, right?

3937
05:56:38,680 --> 05:56:44,160
And so the county really did this in 2017, we kept doing this and we didn't fund any facility projects.

3938
05:56:44,160 --> 05:56:47,580
And then we kept using reserves, and next year we got letter from the state,

3939
05:56:47,740 --> 05:56:54,620
8% reserves, and we're in trouble, then I had to raise a milligent, one mill to get us back, and we've come down, right?

3940
05:56:54,740 --> 05:56:56,380
And so that's just kind of history repeating itself.

3941
05:56:56,900 --> 05:57:03,360
So, just so I'm telling you, why my logic of what I presented you today is because I just,

3942
05:57:03,760 --> 05:57:10,500
I think what we're doing here again now is repeating the same cycle.

3943
05:57:11,760 --> 05:57:15,620
Now, it probably should have been louder last year to tell you that you're just going

3944
05:57:15,620 --> 05:57:20,480
to cut one time expenses here and get, and then pump for another year, but what I want

3945
05:57:20,480 --> 05:57:20,940
to do though.

3946
05:57:21,880 --> 05:57:22,420
I know.

3947
05:57:22,580 --> 05:57:22,740
Well.

3948
05:57:23,220 --> 05:57:24,780
You have to inform my other option on this.

3949
05:57:24,880 --> 05:57:29,980
I'll finish my statement though, so, so what, so option one,

3950
05:57:32,670 --> 05:57:33,590
I would never close library

3951
05:57:33,590 --> 05:57:40,170
ought to raise the millage, trant out of these millage point one mill, they would have kept

3952
05:57:40,170 --> 05:57:45,690
the website library operating and that's because we went to rollback last year and then beyond it

3953
05:57:45,690 --> 05:57:50,390
and so and then what we didn't do was we didn't cut enough expenses all year and some of

3954
05:57:50,390 --> 05:57:54,950
that's maybe that's my fault for not not getting rid of enough expenses that year but it's a lot

3955
05:57:54,950 --> 05:57:59,030
of millions of expenses to get rid of right and then we added body cameras in and everything a bit

3956
05:57:59,030 --> 05:58:03,630
dissent but you know don't upset about body cameras the citizens wanted them right so I agree that

3957
05:58:03,630 --> 05:58:07,670
the citizens wanted the body cameras so the citizen unfortunate citizens had to pay for the body

3958
05:58:07,670 --> 05:58:12,290
So we added 2.3 million on body cameras and there's no revenue to come with it.

3959
05:58:12,490 --> 05:58:14,710
The revenue is unfortunately taxes, right?

3960
05:58:15,150 --> 05:58:19,150
And so, I would say you raised Millage 0.1 this year.

3961
05:58:19,410 --> 05:58:21,270
You're going into a big financial storm.

3962
05:58:21,410 --> 05:58:22,630
You set yourself up a little better.

3963
05:58:23,090 --> 05:58:24,030
You keep the library open.

3964
05:58:24,150 --> 05:58:24,930
You put the rest in road.

3965
05:58:25,010 --> 05:58:26,770
You're surfacing, which is your next critical issue.

3966
05:58:27,210 --> 05:58:32,850
If that doesn't work, option 2.05 just keeps the library open and everything else stays the same.

3967
05:58:34,950 --> 05:58:37,010
Option three was what I presented.

3968
05:58:37,890 --> 05:58:41,550
Option four, keep library open.

3969
05:58:42,050 --> 05:58:44,890
I've cut $3.5 million of capital projects.

3970
05:58:45,050 --> 05:58:47,990
I say it's option four because I don't like to keep cutting capital projects.

3971
05:58:48,470 --> 05:58:51,530
I have 800 and some thousand left in general fund.

3972
05:58:52,030 --> 05:58:54,950
Some projects that somehow made it across the shopping board.

3973
05:58:55,450 --> 05:58:58,870
And because we're just debating which ones to cut and there was no,

3974
05:58:59,090 --> 05:59:02,310
if the end it wasn't a good reason on which projects better because they're all

3975
05:59:02,310 --> 05:59:06,670
All important, there's $850,000 in some projects that I could delay to an extra year.

3976
05:59:07,090 --> 05:59:12,290
And you could cut those, and you could keep the library open, and you could move forward today.

3977
05:59:12,570 --> 05:59:18,410
But the military needs to stay at is not rollback, because that's another 1.7, I looked at that.

3978
05:59:18,730 --> 05:59:28,070
I can't get to 1.7 without a significant change in operations, or a change in something else in the county.

3979
05:59:28,070 --> 05:59:31,130
And so that's why I picked a library I would have told you about.

3980
05:59:31,350 --> 05:59:37,470
Now we, you got code enforcement, I mean you can take out, I think you only need one code enforcement officer in the county.

3981
05:59:37,710 --> 05:59:45,370
So I mean, that's a big issue, but in the end, all of the effects people that you know your neighbor or something, right?

3982
05:59:45,490 --> 05:59:49,730
And so, I mean, you can minimize code enforcement, right?

3983
05:59:49,790 --> 05:59:52,730
And so people could just be nicer neighbors and cut the grass form or something, right?

3984
05:59:52,870 --> 05:59:57,210
But I just feel like that's my solution, sir, is that I do have to capital projects

3985
05:59:57,210 --> 05:59:59,610
that that cut to gives the library open and

3986
06:00:00,000 --> 06:00:18,100
We can move forward. But cutting the one time expenses versus recurring costs is not a great plan when we're looking at what we're currently in for an environment. So, I feel like we're kind of having an adversarial conversation, and I don't want it to be that way.

3987
06:00:20,240 --> 06:00:29,940
As a county administrator, you work for the Board of County commissioners, and it feels like we're pushing back on each other to try to work together.

3988
06:00:29,940 --> 06:00:38,740
other. So how do you feel about that? I apologize. I guess that's my fault. Can you kind of be

3989
06:00:38,740 --> 06:00:42,620
down sorry? That was my fault. He asked me a question. Yeah, absolutely.

3990
06:00:44,960 --> 06:00:47,720
So obviously when you're

3991
06:00:47,720 --> 06:00:51,880
looking at a budget reform and you're looking at this type of climate we're looking at right now,

3992
06:00:52,660 --> 06:00:57,700
we can't just look at one time occurring expenses. We have to look at recurring costs.

3993
06:00:58,240 --> 06:01:06,400
So, I'm trying to do the math and see the ideas of what the services would look like on

3994
06:01:07,480 --> 06:01:12,920
a substantial detailed level on what they're extremely smart individuals, so there must

3995
06:01:12,920 --> 06:01:13,920
be tons of ideas.

3996
06:01:15,280 --> 06:01:19,520
So, I'm trying to work with you, but it seems like there's quite a bit of pushback from

3997
06:01:19,520 --> 06:01:22,280
our feedback as a board, and I don't understand what that is.

3998
06:01:24,600 --> 06:01:28,200
Well, I think my feedback, if it's a pushback, it's not.

3999
06:01:28,360 --> 06:01:34,620
I think my job, your board, your job is to send the policy direction in the budget levels and the job.

4000
06:01:35,120 --> 06:01:39,640
My job as county administrator is to advise you and then take direction from you, right?

4001
06:01:39,780 --> 06:01:50,800
And so I'm advising you that continuing to decrease the revenue in a county that is significantly growing without

4002
06:01:50,800 --> 06:02:20,620
about diversification of revenue and bringing in other revenue sales taxes or other things we try and then to credit to this board I think you weren't here but the board is trying really hard to diversify its revenue the citizens that said they don't want other revenue so therefore those things can't happen right but it does create problems because you still have to buy some of that service without a diversification of revenue so my job is not to push back my job is though. I'm going to tell you that when I think you're going you're going down and have a new that's going to

4003
06:02:20,620 --> 06:02:23,080
That creates significant financial hardships in the county.

4004
06:02:23,640 --> 06:02:27,020
I mean, if you've read my budget letter, it's a lot different than last year's.

4005
06:02:27,020 --> 06:02:31,740
Even though last year's letter said, you should keep the millage the same because you went through a storm event.

4006
06:02:31,860 --> 06:02:36,120
Not our fault, but we went through a storm event and spent $22 million, right?

4007
06:02:36,840 --> 06:02:40,640
Luckily, this board, Mr. Champion, you championed him, you championed it.

4008
06:02:41,680 --> 06:02:43,500
Getting the reserves really high, right?

4009
06:02:43,620 --> 06:02:45,440
And 18.5% is not enough, right?

4010
06:02:45,720 --> 06:02:47,220
25% should be the goal.

4011
06:02:47,760 --> 06:02:55,480
And so, luckily, we had done that many years when the growth was here and the revenues were over the expenses, right?

4012
06:02:56,040 --> 06:03:01,280
And there's been a huge increase in inflation, and we put all the money aside, and we weathered that storm.

4013
06:03:02,020 --> 06:03:03,660
However, we haven't put that money back.

4014
06:03:03,820 --> 06:03:05,500
I got Spain last year back, remember?

4015
06:03:05,760 --> 06:03:09,160
And then what we did was we didn't put it back in the same use account, my opinion.

4016
06:03:09,160 --> 06:03:15,140
I didn't put it back, I just gave the citizens back, which is fine, the citizens needed

4017
06:03:15,140 --> 06:03:18,500
the money, the $120 tax cut last year, great.

4018
06:03:20,240 --> 06:03:25,420
But then we had to cut them cut more, more revenues, we used the revenues for operations,

4019
06:03:26,880 --> 06:03:31,760
and then we did more of that, and then this year, the revenues not there to pay the guy,

4020
06:03:31,780 --> 06:03:32,720
I don't have to set them in.

4021
06:03:33,000 --> 06:03:36,800
We've been calling FEMA, I'm trying to get it, if it came in, we'd have a little different

4022
06:03:36,800 --> 06:03:37,400
story to date.

4023
06:03:37,400 --> 06:03:40,640
that I can pay for that revenue that we need to pay last year, right?

4024
06:03:40,700 --> 06:03:42,960
I can pay for all the expenses I paid last year, that's what I mean.

4025
06:03:43,020 --> 06:03:45,200
I can pay for it again, and it'll be a little easier.

4026
06:03:45,440 --> 06:03:46,480
I don't have it this year.

4027
06:03:46,880 --> 06:03:49,540
And so I'm not pushing back, but you asked me for operational things.

4028
06:03:49,860 --> 06:03:51,120
I continue to make them.

4029
06:03:51,320 --> 06:03:57,200
I mean, the reason why the library's here is because that's a reoccurring expense, right?

4030
06:03:57,400 --> 06:03:58,500
That's a low hanging fruit.

4031
06:03:58,720 --> 06:04:01,120
It's a low, painful, low hanging fruit.

4032
06:04:01,320 --> 06:04:04,100
No, no, it's a very, I think it's all laid in all out.

4033
06:04:04,100 --> 06:04:07,140
So we can keep the library coming up for this next.

4034
06:04:07,600 --> 06:04:08,980
We would have never closed the library.

4035
06:04:09,420 --> 06:04:10,800
Oh, I would close the library, sir.

4036
06:04:11,200 --> 06:04:13,540
I'm just, I'm not, this is not me pandering.

4037
06:04:14,340 --> 06:04:15,240
I love the library.

4038
06:04:15,380 --> 06:04:18,400
I sat there on a Saturday for like two hours

4039
06:04:18,400 --> 06:04:20,740
in Spring Hill Library, two weeks ago, and I made this decision.

4040
06:04:21,300 --> 06:04:23,640
Figuring out what I was going to cut to balance the budget.

4041
06:04:24,800 --> 06:04:26,900
Watching the families, my kids grew up in the library,

4042
06:04:26,900 --> 06:04:27,760
or as take them there.

4043
06:04:28,220 --> 06:04:29,380
I don't, I love this community.

4044
06:04:29,600 --> 06:04:31,900
I think, I think we, I continue to say,

4045
06:04:31,900 --> 06:04:36,700
were judging things by a spreadsheet, by the millage rate in the spreadsheet, and whether

4046
06:04:36,700 --> 06:04:41,200
that's the value of our community is the tax rate. I've given you a sheet that I go

4047
06:04:41,200 --> 06:04:45,980
personally making so about what our tax rate is compared to all these other counties.

4048
06:04:46,460 --> 06:04:52,400
I always think that Handel County has one mill less than Citrus County. We have so many

4049
06:04:52,400 --> 06:04:56,920
more services now they have, and they have a separate library millage. We're less than

4050
06:04:57,520 --> 06:04:59,820
one mill and they have a separate

4051
06:04:59,820 --> 06:04:59,920
Let's do it.

4052
06:05:00,000 --> 06:05:27,460
Library, millage, and they have a whole mosquito control district by themselves, not even in their county funding. How is it that Hernando County's millage is one mill less than citrus, who's way smaller world than we are? I know it'll work different seven years, and we are millages lower than theirs, a lot. And they have additional revenue sources and everything, so I really caution you that the revenues you're not going to make it, so I'm passionate about it.

4053
06:05:27,460 --> 06:05:29,500
I use more residents in such a county, huh?

4054
06:05:29,740 --> 06:05:30,740
We have 60,000 more.

4055
06:05:30,740 --> 06:05:32,800
I think 60 miles and more service could cause.

4056
06:05:33,020 --> 06:05:36,360
And 60,000 more domestic violence calls in the middle of the night for your deputies.

4057
06:05:36,620 --> 06:05:41,660
I'm not trying to defend the sheriff, but you know, you have what residents end up service calls, right?

4058
06:05:42,140 --> 06:05:45,080
And that more permits, I got a process, you know I'm working six days a week and

4059
06:05:45,080 --> 06:05:46,960
per minute, trying to keep up with the growth in the county.

4060
06:05:47,540 --> 06:05:50,420
And so, and all these things, the beaches and the parks, right?

4061
06:05:50,800 --> 06:05:53,660
We added a splash park, the citizens wanted that splash park, right?

4062
06:05:54,200 --> 06:05:55,360
Huge cost to the county.

4063
06:05:55,360 --> 06:06:01,060
We didn't want it. They raised $100,000 and they came here and they petitioned this board, right?

4064
06:06:01,400 --> 06:06:07,500
So the growth has come because we serve the citizens. That thing cost, it's like $250,000 a year, a contract,

4065
06:06:07,540 --> 06:06:12,380
we just to keep the water clean out there. And then I got staff members out there all the time. We're

4066
06:06:12,380 --> 06:06:17,720
placing the sale shades, I punted that project this year out of the budget. And so that, and then homelessness

4067
06:06:17,720 --> 06:06:23,060
into situation in the county, the citizens wanted homelessness taken care of, right? We hire, we spend

4068
06:06:23,060 --> 06:06:27,220
money now on a homeless coordinate of great job, we know every homeless and we're connecting

4069
06:06:27,220 --> 06:06:31,840
people to resources, connecting families at a homeless to the homeless programs in the school system.

4070
06:06:32,320 --> 06:06:36,160
It's not about the money spread to me, it's about the community. So I didn't cut a library

4071
06:06:36,640 --> 06:06:40,700
just to think it's only holding in fruit. I cut a library to balance the budget.

4072
06:06:41,340 --> 06:06:45,060
If we got something else that can cut great, but I would just go down to the list for you.

4073
06:06:45,420 --> 06:06:49,500
I mean code, not my favorite thing. I did do a great job of coding,

4074
06:06:49,500 --> 06:06:54,940
They're current officers doing an amazing job, but I just say be nice to your neighbor and if we don't have a lot less code enforcement

4075
06:06:54,940 --> 06:06:59,700
In this world. I believe your intentions are good and you do. I don't know what you're saying

4076
06:07:00,600 --> 06:07:06,060
If we say hey, we don't love the couple of options we have, but we still want to make some adjustments

4077
06:07:06,060 --> 06:07:11,140
Do I've given you 40? I haven't given us I got four options on the table today

4078
06:07:11,140 --> 06:07:16,860
You knew we weren't going to cut out shut down a library. It's been there for since I was a child. Okay, we didn't fund it

4079
06:07:19,500 --> 06:07:20,980
We sit policy, right?

4080
06:07:21,440 --> 06:07:22,580
And you sit budget level, sir.

4081
06:07:22,860 --> 06:07:26,780
And you strongly advise us on how to keep things on the rails.

4082
06:07:27,240 --> 06:07:27,320
Yep.

4083
06:07:27,960 --> 06:07:30,920
So if we're going to cut things, you would be the first person to say,

4084
06:07:31,300 --> 06:07:34,860
hey, I think these ten things we should talk about those

4085
06:07:34,860 --> 06:07:36,480
if you're going to even think about it.

4086
06:07:36,580 --> 06:07:37,360
So I give you a head.

4087
06:07:37,840 --> 06:07:38,120
Excuse me.

4088
06:07:38,200 --> 06:07:38,320
Yeah.

4089
06:07:38,520 --> 06:07:41,940
Instead, you just stonewall us today.

4090
06:07:42,640 --> 06:07:44,620
And you're like, you guys figure it out.

4091
06:07:45,020 --> 06:07:45,800
Or am I wrong?

4092
06:07:45,980 --> 06:07:46,820
Am I assuming that wrong?

4093
06:07:46,820 --> 06:07:50,520
No, I don't think I'm trying to spend a lot of time still, if you feel I'm still working together.

4094
06:07:50,680 --> 06:07:51,580
I'll give you another option.

4095
06:07:51,900 --> 06:07:53,500
I'll give you my fifth option.

4096
06:07:53,740 --> 06:07:54,620
I'll wait for your first.

4097
06:07:54,760 --> 06:07:55,780
I'll give you my fifth option.

4098
06:07:56,320 --> 06:07:58,100
Fifth option is you keep moving forward.

4099
06:07:58,720 --> 06:07:59,920
And we can leave the budget as it is.

4100
06:07:59,920 --> 06:08:03,620
I have a $560,000 reduction in library expenses.

4101
06:08:04,320 --> 06:08:07,080
And I'll make it work and I'll keep the library open if that's what you want to do.

4102
06:08:07,260 --> 06:08:12,060
And what I'll do is I'll find the other cuts within the other staff and the departments.

4103
06:08:12,220 --> 06:08:13,880
But I'll make sure the library is open enough.

4104
06:08:13,880 --> 06:08:21,640
And well maybe my work with the library director and we'll spread it out maybe there's one per library is only four libraries

4105
06:08:21,640 --> 06:08:24,860
That's four people and we'll find the other three somehow

4106
06:08:25,560 --> 06:08:31,220
Maybe it's another department. I mean I have a maybe the HR. You know, maybe you'll be in HR position

4107
06:08:31,220 --> 06:08:36,520
But I can if you if it's that's this you as I I'll give you another solution. I'll find a seven and

4108
06:08:39,000 --> 06:08:43,260
Then you can in a move forward as it is. I'll find is I'll find a thousand six thousand if it's a library

4109
06:08:43,260 --> 06:08:59,240
But I did that because it's, I mean, I just had to make a decision on the level of service operation, stop cutting capital, I cut the 3.5 main, you can just cut some more capital and then like within or I could, you want to direct me to do it, I'll find it, but I'm not going to stonewall, yeah, I have solutions, but

4110
06:08:59,240 --> 06:09:07,640
But if it was me, I would change military, but I know that's not advisable to the board.

4111
06:09:07,960 --> 06:09:13,160
So there's three other solutions that don't have our residents would say we're going into

4112
06:09:13,160 --> 06:09:19,080
November and the state thinks that my local government can survive a drastic cut to taxes.

4113
06:09:19,660 --> 06:09:23,760
But my local government is so disconnected that they want to raise my taxes before that.

4114
06:09:23,980 --> 06:09:27,280
So you can understand the position and puts the board in.

4115
06:09:27,280 --> 06:09:34,780
I would say that, I would say, I'm not, I'm not dissert, so you ran your office, so I would tell you that it's my responsibility.

4116
06:09:35,500 --> 06:09:37,920
Yeah, it is your, I mean, huh, that's on me, absolutely.

4117
06:09:38,160 --> 06:09:45,420
And so, I would tell you that, you know, I would, it's a represented democracy, right?

4118
06:09:46,060 --> 06:09:51,380
And so, the way I believe the government works is you get represented and you get to vote for that.

4119
06:09:52,220 --> 06:09:59,940
I'm going to spend, so you understand, but I would expect my leaders to make what they believe was the best decisions for me, and then even up there.

4120
06:10:00,000 --> 06:10:29,340
The citizens might not understand the complete finances of the county, right? They might not understand that the tax equation next year, and this has two parts in as a praise value and a military, right? The only thing we can change in our whole life is the military. You can't change any of the other economics in your life. Your account, your, your, whether it costs for food, shopping, gas, your mortgage, your interest rate, none of that's, you just told you, right, the only thing you get to change in the whole world is your military. That's why people go after it, right? You can't affect the praise value.

4121
06:10:29,340 --> 06:10:35,180
somebody the property appraisal tells you what it is your neighbor sells or house a lot more you just goes up right so you're

4122
06:10:35,180 --> 06:10:41,320
You're in the mortgage business. You understand how houses get sold and and that mortgage happens right so that but

4123
06:10:42,520 --> 06:10:46,220
You want to change so it's the praise value of more military so next year

4124
06:10:47,180 --> 06:10:53,200
Your job next year will be to set the budget and figure out the revenues and next July next June

4125
06:10:53,200 --> 06:10:57,480
You're going to determine that and if you're going to you know the praise values going to go down

4126
06:10:58,740 --> 06:11:03,460
I personally wouldn't go drop the millage also to make sure that I get less revenue next

4127
06:11:03,460 --> 06:11:03,780
year.

4128
06:11:04,180 --> 06:11:08,340
I mean, if your goal is to have less revenue next year, if your goal is to run the government,

4129
06:11:08,820 --> 06:11:11,120
you need at least a revenue to make it work.

4130
06:11:11,500 --> 06:11:12,920
I wouldn't want more extra revenue.

4131
06:11:13,080 --> 06:11:13,580
Let's cut that.

4132
06:11:13,720 --> 06:11:15,120
We cut it for many years, right?

4133
06:11:15,540 --> 06:11:19,880
But you should want revenue to make, to at least fund critical things that senior pride,

4134
06:11:19,880 --> 06:11:23,320
but if there's something you don't want, then water, you know what, waterways, you're going

4135
06:11:23,320 --> 06:11:23,880
to waterways.

4136
06:11:23,880 --> 06:11:25,000
I mean, just...

4137
06:11:25,000 --> 06:11:43,980
When you look at organizations and how they operate, you don't look immediately like oh, we need to cut that department or we need to cut that public facing service in any organization, you're going to look at ways to improve how you operate like in and out and upside down.

4138
06:11:44,620 --> 06:11:46,540
I haven't heard any of that today.

4139
06:11:46,540 --> 06:11:51,320
And then when we start to get into the details, it's like, well, what do you guys want to do?

4140
06:11:52,840 --> 06:11:55,060
You know better than anyone, however, that works.

4141
06:11:55,860 --> 06:12:00,000
Better way better than us, because I have a list of some things here we can go over.

4142
06:12:00,220 --> 06:12:01,740
I think fair enough, I can show you detail.

4143
06:12:02,040 --> 06:12:06,980
So we can, I mean, I can go detail by, I can go detail by department and

4144
06:12:06,980 --> 06:12:08,880
discuss what we're doing with each department.

4145
06:12:09,820 --> 06:12:13,540
And so in talk about, you know, there's departments are challenging and

4146
06:12:13,540 --> 06:12:15,420
the efficiencies are working on between departments.

4147
06:12:15,420 --> 06:12:22,540
So I'm more successful than others but I'll tell you everything I mean I do I do have that whole page that I send out right

4148
06:12:22,540 --> 06:12:23,360
I have with me if you

4149
06:12:24,240 --> 06:12:26,780
I don't love it right because I have a hold that my whole

4150
06:12:31,980 --> 06:12:35,380
It's only what's that on a gay chanando. You know that this is kind of cool

4151
06:12:35,380 --> 06:12:41,040
So on a gay chanando of all my departments every month send me all they work that they're doing every much highlights and everything

4152
06:12:41,040 --> 06:12:47,980
It's right because I it's a lot of like 22 departments or something right and so I can see what they're all doing at all time

4153
06:12:47,980 --> 06:12:53,400
So this is on reghernando.com for every citizen to read, and I send it to the commissioners so that you know

4154
06:12:53,820 --> 06:12:58,500
Everything that everybody's working on every month, right? And so I mean, I do have it

4155
06:12:58,500 --> 06:13:01,360
But if I could do a better job at that, I will I'm telling you the

4156
06:13:02,140 --> 06:13:04,880
efficiencies and how we're trying to save money different areas

4157
06:13:06,360 --> 06:13:11,280
The I'll be guilty of that. I guess if I I could do better at that. Oh, I'm not trying to pay anyone as guilty

4158
06:13:11,280 --> 06:13:14,280
I understand I'm wrong. I'm sure I have something

4159
06:13:14,280 --> 06:13:16,620
Can I just, would you mind if I say something real quick?

4160
06:13:16,760 --> 06:13:17,380
Absolutely, go ahead.

4161
06:13:17,420 --> 06:13:18,020
OK, thank you.

4162
06:13:18,320 --> 06:13:19,480
And then I'll come right back to you.

4163
06:13:20,040 --> 06:13:22,120
So what I thought I heard you say earlier

4164
06:13:22,120 --> 06:13:24,760
is that you, and I understand, you're probably

4165
06:13:24,760 --> 06:13:26,240
the same place I am.

4166
06:13:26,360 --> 06:13:29,080
You're trying to understand where everybody's at,

4167
06:13:29,360 --> 06:13:30,840
understand where we're headed, and all of that.

4168
06:13:30,960 --> 06:13:32,940
But what I heard you say earlier is that you

4169
06:13:32,940 --> 06:13:38,080
wanted to be at 5.891 on the board millage rate.

4170
06:13:38,740 --> 06:13:41,140
You weren't considering going the rollback at that point.

4171
06:13:41,140 --> 06:13:50,520
Right, maybe you've changed a little bit of the thinking and you know, I have no issue with that and I respect that but that's

4172
06:13:51,500 --> 06:13:57,360
With all of those cuts that we've already talked about so that money it doesn't have to be a library

4173
06:13:57,360 --> 06:14:00,980
But it has to be something all of that cuts are already been

4174
06:14:01,940 --> 06:14:06,040
Take a place to get to that milled rate of 5.8891

4175
06:14:06,040 --> 06:14:12,980
If we want to go above and beyond that, then we have additional cuts that need to be made.

4176
06:14:13,240 --> 06:14:14,180
He said he wanted a rollback.

4177
06:14:14,340 --> 06:14:14,840
Where did that come from?

4178
06:14:14,860 --> 06:14:15,860
He didn't say he wanted a rollback.

4179
06:14:16,020 --> 06:14:17,500
He actually wanted a 10% cut before.

4180
06:14:17,860 --> 06:14:21,760
And now he said, earlier today, he said he wanted 5.888.

4181
06:14:21,760 --> 06:14:29,560
Well, I also stated in what I read earlier that I wanted to see a real 10% exercise, because

4182
06:14:29,560 --> 06:14:33,260
I don't like the governor would have made that law so that you could just back out all your

4183
06:14:33,260 --> 06:14:38,700
I see IP projects and say, okay, the budget's balanced, there's a 10% cut.

4184
06:14:39,180 --> 06:14:41,000
That's not the intention the governor wanted on this.

4185
06:14:41,140 --> 06:14:42,380
I understand, I understand.

4186
06:14:42,960 --> 06:14:45,200
One other thing, and then I'm going to give the floor back to you.

4187
06:14:45,660 --> 06:14:51,100
Is there any new revenue in these numbers, any new revenue?

4188
06:14:51,700 --> 06:14:54,440
I'm sorry, what do you mean new revenue?

4189
06:14:54,580 --> 06:14:55,660
Because this is just advalor.

4190
06:14:56,520 --> 06:14:58,360
These are just your advalor and rates.

4191
06:15:00,000 --> 06:15:27,580
How do you tell my whole total budget, right? So we have the peel off as additional revenue source this year. And that's included in the 5.8891. It's included in the budget, but the 5.889 on your seeing on the screen in the total. That is just add one. Right. It's paying for expenses, instead of reserves. Basically, it's peel off. So you got to make sure you understand that too, as well. Commissioner Amther, I think you already do, but I just wanted to make sure I'm going to turn it back to you.

4192
06:15:29,520 --> 06:15:44,160
So, natural resources, we have improvements, it looks like prior year was 325K increasing to 675K, is that 350K truly needed?

4193
06:15:44,780 --> 06:15:45,740
What's it for?

4194
06:15:51,660 --> 06:15:52,220
We can staff up.

4195
06:15:52,740 --> 06:15:54,500
And I apologize to staff too.

4196
06:15:54,940 --> 06:15:55,360
No, I'm not good.

4197
06:15:55,600 --> 06:15:59,540
So, if I don't have a list of alternatives, I just have to start going through things.

4198
06:15:59,540 --> 06:16:00,120
There's a brother here.

4199
06:16:00,520 --> 06:16:02,220
I love the staff here, does it mean so all questions?

4200
06:16:06,120 --> 06:16:07,240
I know I can answer this question.

4201
06:16:07,320 --> 06:16:07,460
Okay.

4202
06:16:08,180 --> 06:16:09,320
Paul, the line-up need to go up.

4203
06:16:09,740 --> 06:16:11,800
Yeah, what's the Christmas back community services director?

4204
06:16:12,140 --> 06:16:15,920
The 350K was directly to the Hernando Beach boat ramp

4205
06:16:15,920 --> 06:16:17,160
resurfacing project.

4206
06:16:17,640 --> 06:16:17,920
Oh, yeah.

4207
06:16:18,440 --> 06:16:20,160
So that's for next year's school year?

4208
06:16:20,780 --> 06:16:20,920
Yes.

4209
06:16:24,980 --> 06:16:26,420
What's wrong with the Hernando Beach boat ramp?

4210
06:16:27,600 --> 06:16:28,860
Paul, why do we have to do that?

4211
06:16:29,120 --> 06:16:29,900
Yeah, I don't know.

4212
06:16:30,000 --> 06:16:30,880
I don't know if I can answer this for some managers.

4213
06:16:31,200 --> 06:16:32,620
So it's just wear and tear.

4214
06:16:32,820 --> 06:16:34,980
So the surface out there right now,

4215
06:16:36,060 --> 06:16:39,940
It's like even when we clean it so it's a safety hazard and then it's starting to have

4216
06:16:39,940 --> 06:16:46,640
potholes and cracking in it so it just needs some TLC on it is one of our heavily utilized

4217
06:16:46,640 --> 06:16:47,620
butt ramps.

4218
06:16:47,720 --> 06:16:49,320
So we had put that on there for this year.

4219
06:16:49,380 --> 06:16:52,040
You talked about it before and I believe it's not too long ago.

4220
06:16:52,040 --> 06:16:55,480
Is there an issue with the drop off a member, you have a brief on this so that's a different

4221
06:16:55,480 --> 06:16:56,080
issue or what?

4222
06:16:56,200 --> 06:17:00,560
No, we did have a lot of under I'm washing from it just from there but staff have gone

4223
06:17:00,560 --> 06:17:04,680
in there and put in rip wrap so we stabilize the end of the butt ramp for right now.

4224
06:17:04,860 --> 06:17:05,100
Okay.

4225
06:17:05,100 --> 06:17:06,240
It's really just the surface.

4226
06:17:06,440 --> 06:17:07,580
So you did that part of it?

4227
06:17:07,580 --> 06:17:08,680
Yeah, we did go in like that.

4228
06:17:09,080 --> 06:17:13,240
All right, then what is the regular 325K4?

4229
06:17:15,290 --> 06:17:17,390
That brings it to the total of-

4230
06:17:17,390 --> 06:17:18,930
So we had other projects listed,

4231
06:17:19,990 --> 06:17:22,870
Cyberslakes Boardwalk, and we have an agreement

4232
06:17:22,870 --> 06:17:26,850
with the Florida community's trust with DEP

4233
06:17:26,850 --> 06:17:28,070
to do projects out there,

4234
06:17:28,070 --> 06:17:29,750
and we haven't done a project at Cyberslakes

4235
06:17:29,750 --> 06:17:32,590
for a couple years, so we had put that back on

4236
06:17:32,590 --> 06:17:34,010
to try to get a project this year,

4237
06:17:34,010 --> 06:17:39,070
and that was, I think, 150, I didn't bring my budget up.

4238
06:17:39,170 --> 06:17:40,070
150, you're 175.

4239
06:17:40,610 --> 06:17:40,950
175.

4240
06:17:42,110 --> 06:17:46,330
And then we also have Peck-Sync parking lot and ADA spots

4241
06:17:46,830 --> 06:17:49,210
to hopefully get that reserve open.

4242
06:17:49,390 --> 06:17:51,130
And we are doing some projects out there.

4243
06:17:51,590 --> 06:17:55,090
And so it was just to establish a parking lot area for public.

4244
06:17:55,770 --> 06:17:55,990
Okay.

4245
06:17:56,310 --> 06:17:58,950
Do we think those projects are actually going to come together

4246
06:17:58,950 --> 06:18:00,130
in this fiscal year?

4247
06:18:00,790 --> 06:18:02,250
So Peck-Sync, we're working on right now.

4248
06:18:02,250 --> 06:18:09,910
it's closed that preserves been closed for years but we're working right now out there but there's

4249
06:18:09,910 --> 06:18:15,890
no parking area for vehicles it's all grass area and it's not level so we would have to improve

4250
06:18:15,890 --> 06:18:21,750
a parking lot for citizens to come in and then we would have to do an ADA spot and it's required.

4251
06:18:22,710 --> 06:18:27,910
Cypress lake sounds like it might be a while. Yeah we would have to be designed

4252
06:18:27,910 --> 06:18:33,510
of the boardwalk, but it's something that is in our agreement with the state to do.

4253
06:18:33,750 --> 06:18:38,890
We have to do a feature like that. It was going to be a kayak launch from the river

4254
06:18:38,890 --> 06:18:41,610
and we showed them how that was not going to be easily possible.

4255
06:18:41,870 --> 06:18:45,930
So they allowed us to change that to a boardwalk to one of our cypersomes on the property

4256
06:18:45,930 --> 06:18:48,870
and so we were just trying to get that project going.

4257
06:18:49,370 --> 06:18:53,830
That's good. Do you think if we left it off the budget for now

4258
06:18:54,330 --> 06:18:59,410
that you could present it and bring it back if things go and we can see if we can find the money on that time.

4259
06:18:59,590 --> 06:19:08,830
I do and I think the state will also hopefully be okay with that as well pushing that because we did do a large renovation of our security residents this year on that property.

4260
06:19:09,030 --> 06:19:12,810
So we're hoping that they accept that as our project this year and allow us to push it.

4261
06:19:13,130 --> 06:19:14,410
Okay, so 175.

4262
06:19:14,730 --> 06:19:16,070
So what was that, 325?

4263
06:19:17,650 --> 06:19:28,690
I think the boardwalk was 175 pegs equals 150 and then our boat ramp was going to be 350, so we're around 725 and CIP men.

4264
06:19:28,770 --> 06:19:35,310
Okay, so if we put cypress likes in the budget, but you could bring it back, what was the cypress likes number?

4265
06:19:37,210 --> 06:19:39,310
175, 175,000.

4266
06:19:40,690 --> 06:19:42,450
For design, yes, just design.

4267
06:19:44,790 --> 06:19:49,190
Okay, and it was a guesstimate, you know, because we, you know, just kind of got to do everything.

4268
06:19:50,230 --> 06:19:52,310
So, I mean, that's a potential. I know the board thinks.

4269
06:19:52,750 --> 06:19:53,750
It's a good project. It's a good idea.

4270
06:19:53,910 --> 06:19:59,970
I mean, I like the project, but if it's, if we're still waiting to get there, and we're doing some other good.

4271
06:20:00,000 --> 06:20:05,520
All right. We're going to have a good project sign, that department that we're funding. What do we think of that? 175?

4272
06:20:10,080 --> 06:20:17,720
I'll make a motion to remove that 175 from the proposed budget for now.

4273
06:20:22,970 --> 06:20:27,350
We need a motion to make a list. I think we're just going to make a list. I think we're just going to make a list. We need a motion.

4274
06:20:29,830 --> 06:20:36,870
I know but why don't we do it's not going to get us a rollback so why don't we accumulate them accumulate them first

4275
06:20:39,470 --> 06:20:40,770
That's what I think we should do

4276
06:20:44,290 --> 06:20:44,670
Yeah

4277
06:20:44,670 --> 06:20:49,070
We're going to have a list. Yeah. Yeah, I met your amp there.

4278
06:20:50,070 --> 06:20:53,970
No mind. I'm just taking mine. I've worked them on. Okay, so one.

4279
06:20:54,670 --> 06:20:57,950
Maybe this one's right now. Good. May I say something first?

4280
06:20:58,090 --> 06:21:05,310
Like one of my. I don't mind. Okay, I just I just want to remind us again that we're

4281
06:21:05,310 --> 06:21:09,150
doing. This is what we did last time. This is what we do. These are one-on's they're

4282
06:21:09,150 --> 06:21:14,110
not operating. They're not going to change things moving forward. They're okay to

4283
06:21:14,110 --> 06:21:17,710
get little chips here and there, but it's not changing operating, which is our issue.

4284
06:21:18,850 --> 06:21:23,770
And the other thing I just want to say, and this isn't to be a confrontative.

4285
06:21:24,010 --> 06:21:28,910
I can just say that every year that I've been here with Jeff as our administrator,

4286
06:21:29,230 --> 06:21:33,730
every year he's been working on ways and operations to become more efficient.

4287
06:21:34,250 --> 06:21:40,430
And so we're at a point where I think it's going to be very difficult to increase efficiencies,

4288
06:21:40,610 --> 06:21:42,330
because this has been an annual thing.

4289
06:21:42,330 --> 06:21:45,630
It's not like we sit here and try to build up departments, right?

4290
06:21:45,950 --> 06:21:50,650
And so now we're at a point where we're like, again, that's why I brought up the percentages in each department.

4291
06:21:51,150 --> 06:21:59,190
We're at a point where we're going to have to change the actual level of service because it's going to be very hard to get any more efficient.

4292
06:22:00,990 --> 06:22:03,070
Because it's people, that's where we're at.

4293
06:22:03,910 --> 06:22:08,330
We can do these one-off and CIPs here and there, here and there and put them off down the road.

4294
06:22:08,330 --> 06:22:16,910
But operationally we have to change the level of service to make it function operationally next year and the year after and the year after.

4295
06:22:17,050 --> 06:22:17,870
That's all I just want to say.

4296
06:22:18,210 --> 06:22:20,470
I said, I believe that he's worked very hard.

4297
06:22:20,810 --> 06:22:26,430
The reason why the clerk is doing all our IT is because we have what three or four IT departments across the county.

4298
06:22:26,810 --> 06:22:30,130
We had all these redundancies that we've worked out already.

4299
06:22:31,670 --> 06:22:35,790
And I don't want, I don't want it to turn into that we don't appreciate or

4300
06:22:35,790 --> 06:22:39,750
or even recognize those efficiencies that have already been done over previous years.

4301
06:22:39,750 --> 06:22:40,670
That's all I wanted to say.

4302
06:22:40,790 --> 06:22:42,070
No, I said I appreciate it.

4303
06:22:42,190 --> 06:22:42,290
Yep.

4304
06:22:42,930 --> 06:22:44,990
I think you make a good point, Mr. Alco.

4305
06:22:50,170 --> 06:22:53,450
So looking back at recurrent expenses.

4306
06:22:55,980 --> 06:22:58,760
I got a couple of ideas and apartments that do you want to talk about it?

4307
06:23:01,340 --> 06:23:07,840
We do have, we could look at vacancies, long vacant, long term vacancies,

4308
06:23:07,840 --> 06:23:10,580
is non-front line positions, delayed hiring,

4309
06:23:12,840 --> 06:23:14,940
the administrative priori, did that.

4310
06:23:15,320 --> 06:23:16,720
What vacancy, where are you saying?

4311
06:23:17,840 --> 06:23:18,180
Tell me.

4312
06:23:18,520 --> 06:23:19,180
Is there any...

4313
06:23:19,180 --> 06:23:21,480
And delaying hiring doesn't automatically mean

4314
06:23:21,480 --> 06:23:22,900
you take it out of the budget, so.

4315
06:23:23,800 --> 06:23:24,200
Oh.

4316
06:23:24,480 --> 06:23:25,920
Yeah, do we have to remove the position?

4317
06:23:27,400 --> 06:23:29,000
Oh, delaying vacancies.

4318
06:23:29,440 --> 06:23:31,120
We have to remove them, third change budget.

4319
06:23:31,420 --> 06:23:31,600
Yeah.

4320
06:23:31,860 --> 06:23:33,540
You have to remove the position for change budget.

4321
06:23:34,160 --> 06:23:34,320
Correct.

4322
06:23:34,700 --> 06:23:35,540
Yeah, I mean, so yes.

4323
06:23:35,740 --> 06:23:39,220
We delay, I mean, I think I have one hell

4324
06:23:39,220 --> 06:23:42,580
I have one held in the admin right now, and we had a temporary person at the front.

4325
06:23:43,260 --> 06:23:50,720
I think we should probably keep that position, but I put it temporary because it's the person left, and we've done a temporary agency, it's done a great job.

4326
06:23:52,640 --> 06:24:03,880
But these are the positions we haven't filled for like four months or more, because I think that might be, if we can operate for four months without a position, we probably should consider just holding it out for now.

4327
06:24:03,880 --> 06:24:07,880
And that will talk my general fund only, right?

4328
06:24:07,960 --> 06:24:11,160
So I know it has engineers that are tough to find in utility fund, right?

4329
06:24:11,600 --> 06:24:16,940
General fund, four months open, no, we have a really low turnover rate.

4330
06:24:18,040 --> 06:24:22,940
The only thing I was holding was HR position, the Parks and

4331
06:24:22,940 --> 06:24:26,340
Rec one, which I removed that from the budget now that we talked about for

4332
06:24:26,340 --> 06:24:29,840
finally, I got to remove that Parks and Rec's position, and

4333
06:24:29,840 --> 06:24:33,660
And that's it, the attorney's office is full.

4334
06:24:34,360 --> 06:24:39,460
They always have some return things, but they've backed staff now, and now

4335
06:24:44,260 --> 06:24:44,540
I don't have

4336
06:24:44,540 --> 06:24:45,160
any of the openings.

4337
06:24:49,100 --> 06:24:49,680
Commissioner Ambuler.

4338
06:24:49,840 --> 06:24:53,760
And the one's the planning and zoning I recommend we keep them, because I'm giving them

4339
06:24:53,760 --> 06:24:54,280
a loan there.

4340
06:24:54,660 --> 06:24:55,000
I agree.

4341
06:24:58,020 --> 06:24:58,120
Yeah.

4342
06:24:58,120 --> 06:24:59,960
so... if... if...

4343
06:25:00,000 --> 06:25:26,040
Staff can review for other recurring expenses that the board can review. I think that's a great direction. I can definitely bring back another solution for you. I mean, I can't do it today. I mean, you want to move forward, but I can bring back. I mean, I can find. I'll bring back some more things for you. I mean, I feel like we were getting to the point where it's very difficult, right? You have a really hard job, probably much harder job than we have, right?

4344
06:25:27,180 --> 06:25:37,080
But you've got to look at, yeah, so I mean, can we be able to do that today through this?

4345
06:25:39,560 --> 06:25:40,960
We have to have a maximum of this.

4346
06:25:42,180 --> 06:25:43,160
I mean, I'll go back.

4347
06:25:43,280 --> 06:25:43,860
I know the process.

4348
06:25:44,060 --> 06:25:45,740
I know it's, I know it.

4349
06:25:46,100 --> 06:25:52,000
And you like, I'm going to let you go back to the way the government's work.

4350
06:25:52,000 --> 06:26:00,200
The reason why this is, the way the process is set up that the state law says that the

4351
06:26:00,200 --> 06:26:05,080
county minister actually, the state law should mention the budget director creates the

4352
06:26:05,080 --> 06:26:10,620
budget and presents it to the board of county commissioners and then at that way it transmits

4353
06:26:10,620 --> 06:26:15,100
that maximum millage because that's the maximum it can be because that's the proposed budget

4354
06:26:15,100 --> 06:26:19,640
and then when you get to the hearings, we have all the costusals and all the citizens there

4355
06:26:19,640 --> 06:26:21,880
at a 501 hearing, you've cut the knowledge there.

4356
06:26:22,120 --> 06:26:24,440
So, I mean, today you have the ability

4357
06:26:24,440 --> 06:26:26,580
to keep the knowledge the same and move forward

4358
06:26:26,580 --> 06:26:28,720
and then, and then in your direction,

4359
06:26:28,720 --> 06:26:31,440
you say you want to see more efficiency operations,

4360
06:26:32,540 --> 06:26:35,060
opportunities from me to bring forward to you

4361
06:26:35,060 --> 06:26:37,860
for reductions in giving that direction, right?

4362
06:26:37,960 --> 06:26:40,560
So, or if you need, you say, you want the library,

4363
06:26:40,660 --> 06:26:41,300
you don't want the library,

4364
06:26:41,500 --> 06:26:42,940
you want to let the seven positions in the budget,

4365
06:26:43,360 --> 06:26:45,560
then, I mean, today you can make a change,

4366
06:26:45,740 --> 06:26:47,540
you can make you found some money right there

4367
06:26:47,540 --> 06:26:53,160
if you want to move any of those other ones I've mentioned that both ramp you could put that out a little bit or something if you wanted but

4368
06:26:53,600 --> 06:26:56,240
We can maintain it until or I could

4369
06:26:56,720 --> 06:27:00,300
mentioned that I would find the money and then you can keep it the same and then you can

4370
06:27:01,140 --> 06:27:05,980
Find what reductions you can be 1.7 May and to go to rollback at September 10th

4371
06:27:07,320 --> 06:27:11,820
I'll bring you 1.7 May and then I'm just trying to give you multiple options, too

4372
06:27:12,260 --> 06:27:13,780
I appreciate that they had to bring one off.

4373
06:27:13,940 --> 06:27:17,620
By law, I've got to bring a budget, not, and it's hard to, I'd be honest to you, I've

4374
06:27:17,620 --> 06:27:19,720
got to do whatever I can to turn me to bring multiple budgets.

4375
06:27:20,400 --> 06:27:23,280
It was tough this year, and then in the other years, it's a little easier.

4376
06:27:23,720 --> 06:27:28,960
This year is really tough because the revenues were less than the expenses, so we were around

4377
06:27:28,960 --> 06:27:33,640
around trying to figure out how to make this work, and I, I mean, I didn't do a library

4378
06:27:33,640 --> 06:27:34,380
just for fun.

4379
06:27:35,860 --> 06:27:38,040
It's not happening, it's not happening for me.

4380
06:27:38,040 --> 06:27:41,140
I appreciate that, and Commissioner Lacko, I appreciate your input.

4381
06:27:42,420 --> 06:27:49,540
But we were presented pretty much a majority of one-time savings and delays of capital improvement projects.

4382
06:27:49,820 --> 06:27:54,020
So I'm definitely trying to find the things that are recurring and you make a good point.

4383
06:27:54,680 --> 06:27:57,900
I mean, thank you, sir, Mr. Chair.

4384
06:27:58,460 --> 06:27:58,840
Thank you, sir.

4385
06:27:59,080 --> 06:27:59,720
Commissioner Champion.

4386
06:28:00,020 --> 06:28:00,480
It's going to be fine.

4387
06:28:00,660 --> 06:28:03,120
Okay, I got a bunch of stuff for you, so we'll see if we get to this one.

4388
06:28:03,120 --> 06:28:10,020
So, first off, I just want to say that I think that the county employees do a fantastic job.

4389
06:28:10,220 --> 06:28:12,380
90 plus percent of them, I think they all have good intentions.

4390
06:28:12,540 --> 06:28:15,000
I think this administrator has good intentions overall.

4391
06:28:15,460 --> 06:28:20,520
But to say that we're efficient, when we're over 100% increase in seven years,

4392
06:28:20,520 --> 06:28:23,020
it's just irresponsible to say that's not efficient.

4393
06:28:23,660 --> 06:28:27,480
And you know what, the government itself will never cut itself citizens.

4394
06:28:27,820 --> 06:28:28,360
It won't happen.

4395
06:28:28,800 --> 06:28:30,180
That's why you elect representation.

4396
06:28:30,180 --> 06:28:35,440
You know where your representatives and we got to make the tough decisions because this is what's happening out there

4397
06:28:35,440 --> 06:28:40,020
And when you look at such a county, you brought up such a county, right? So such as County you think this is bad

4398
06:28:40,020 --> 06:28:45,400
You used to see what's going on political there. Oh my goodness. That was borderline somebody attacked in the in the room

4399
06:28:45,400 --> 06:28:48,880
And they're they're going after blood for these these incumbents that are raised taxes

4400
06:28:48,880 --> 06:28:53,680
They're going after them and odds look like they're all going to be replaced. It looks really bad, right?

4401
06:28:53,680 --> 06:29:03,500
And here's Blaze just last two weeks ago, went in and audited Sacha's county and he says that $39 million is being wasted in Sacha's county.

4402
06:29:04,020 --> 06:29:07,420
So that's an example that our administrator wants to give about Sacha's county.

4403
06:29:07,640 --> 06:29:10,520
That is not a good example, sir, about what's going on in Sacha's county.

4404
06:29:10,860 --> 06:29:12,600
And I respect Blaze and Golia.

4405
06:29:12,920 --> 06:29:14,060
I think you guys are all friends with him.

4406
06:29:14,600 --> 06:29:16,420
He said they're wasting $39 million.

4407
06:29:16,640 --> 06:29:17,340
Is he lying?

4408
06:29:18,280 --> 06:29:19,180
I don't think he is.

4409
06:29:19,540 --> 06:29:24,880
So when I look at it, I sit there and go, we can't find, and we're talking about rollback.

4410
06:29:25,380 --> 06:29:26,760
What happens when this thing passes?

4411
06:29:27,340 --> 06:29:28,120
It's going to be a disaster.

4412
06:29:28,720 --> 06:29:30,520
If we can't figure out too many dollars, this is nothing.

4413
06:29:30,940 --> 06:29:34,940
So I have some questions, and I may be, some of this I know the answers to, but I appreciate

4414
06:29:34,940 --> 06:29:38,500
if you would be able to tell us whether we have general fund money going into or not, right?

4415
06:29:38,660 --> 06:29:40,600
So I have a few categories that I want to talk about.

4416
06:29:41,160 --> 06:29:43,880
In general, I'm just going to say it all, and you hopefully can keep track of when you go

4417
06:29:43,880 --> 06:29:44,100
from there.

4418
06:29:44,100 --> 06:29:48,860
So when you look at things like the ship, ship account, and social services, affordable

4419
06:29:48,860 --> 06:29:53,580
housing, welfare services, things like that, do we have any general fund money going

4420
06:29:53,580 --> 06:29:53,840
to that?

4421
06:29:53,920 --> 06:29:54,440
That's one question.

4422
06:29:55,160 --> 06:29:59,980
Do we have to fund IFIS, just 582,000, is that all on, on, on, on, on?

4423
06:30:00,500 --> 06:30:29,420
Great funding. Could be. I don't know. You know, when it comes to economic development, there is a big cut in there, by the way. It looks like on there maybe capital. I don't know what it is, but it's about 1.4 million. It was like 2.7 million last year. I'm sure you can answer that afterwards, right? So there is a big cut there. You look at natural resources. Was that there's only been an account two years and it's 772,000. I know that's some of that's waterways, et cetera. Where was that account before? Where was that money at? I know there's an environment that says it lands.

4424
06:30:29,420 --> 06:30:31,500
which we cut years ago, it was very minimal.

4425
06:30:34,040 --> 06:30:36,440
Library services is 400 down, but that's

4426
06:30:36,440 --> 06:30:39,680
probably because you were closing the library. I would imagine, right? But that is, that

4427
06:30:39,680 --> 06:30:44,080
even with the library staying open, it looks pretty flat. I mean, it doesn't look like there's

4428
06:30:44,080 --> 06:30:47,920
a lot extra money unless there's more than 400,000 to keep that one open. So we're not seeing

4429
06:30:47,920 --> 06:30:52,000
a lot of fat there when it comes to that. But anyway, is there any of these programs, but

4430
06:30:52,000 --> 06:30:56,160
and I know some of them have grants and then we have to match funds and stuff. I'm not

4431
06:30:56,160 --> 06:30:58,180
I'm not sure about these, especially to social programs.

4432
06:30:59,040 --> 06:31:00,860
But, you know, is there any leeway in that?

4433
06:31:01,100 --> 06:31:03,760
Is there any, how much money's tied to a general fund wise?

4434
06:31:03,900 --> 06:31:05,300
Or if there's any money tied to a general fund?

4435
06:31:05,640 --> 06:31:06,060
Thank you.

4436
06:31:06,560 --> 06:31:07,200
Thank you, sir.

4437
06:31:08,500 --> 06:31:08,980
All right.

4438
06:31:09,360 --> 06:31:11,300
Who wants to take a stab at that, Mr. Orr?

4439
06:31:12,200 --> 06:31:14,320
Yeah, I can pull it up and look at it.

4440
06:31:15,900 --> 06:31:17,080
I don't know about Eiffis.

4441
06:31:17,180 --> 06:31:18,960
I don't know what your agreement is with Eiffis.

4442
06:31:19,100 --> 06:31:19,900
It's a contract.

4443
06:31:20,540 --> 06:31:20,700
Yeah.

4444
06:31:21,120 --> 06:31:21,240
And it's-

4445
06:31:21,240 --> 06:31:22,720
I don't know where it's going to be.

4446
06:31:24,180 --> 06:31:27,480
We'll have a crystal inspect come up and try to answer that.

4447
06:31:27,700 --> 06:31:29,560
I'll take a smater toward it.

4448
06:31:29,800 --> 06:31:31,120
Crystalensbeck, your service director.

4449
06:31:31,520 --> 06:31:34,640
IFAIS is a split funded part with University of Florida.

4450
06:31:35,020 --> 06:31:39,580
And we pay an MOU agreement for a portion of that for the operation.

4451
06:31:39,800 --> 06:31:40,320
It's called Zive.

4452
06:31:40,900 --> 06:31:41,980
Do we have to do it?

4453
06:31:42,560 --> 06:31:42,700
Fun?

4454
06:31:42,780 --> 06:31:43,120
That's serious?

4455
06:31:44,380 --> 06:31:47,820
I don't think you have to do a IFAIS in every county.

4456
06:31:47,980 --> 06:31:51,340
Every county has an extension agent that provides food.

4457
06:31:51,340 --> 06:31:58,120
I'm sorry, and we county has extension that provides services to the citizens and so that is a I don't think it's mandated

4458
06:31:58,800 --> 06:32:03,820
It's an optional thing that whether or not you keep eye for senior community or not, but they do a lot of services

4459
06:32:03,820 --> 06:32:05,520
But you don't have to have it no sir

4460
06:32:05,960 --> 06:32:11,620
That's 600 ring. I mean not to say you only cut all of it. Maybe a hundred or two. I don't know you know

4461
06:32:11,620 --> 06:32:12,920
I mean it might be it might be I

4462
06:32:12,920 --> 06:32:18,760
Listen if you're gonna look at stuff is that is that absolutely necessary for survival in Hernando County it is not

4463
06:32:19,420 --> 06:32:23,840
I get it they provide they provide a lot of stuff. They do a lot of research to stuff like that

4464
06:32:23,840 --> 06:32:28,680
I get it, you know, but is it if you're going to cut police officers you're going to cut that I would be willing to

4465
06:32:28,680 --> 06:32:29,760
I'll be look at that.

4466
06:32:30,700 --> 06:32:31,420
I mean you can

4467
06:32:32,340 --> 06:32:36,020
Yeah, we have that's only one piece and I'm not saying I'm for that. I'm just saying the general

4468
06:32:36,020 --> 06:32:43,240
But the engagement pages you just reached had June's numbers for what they do and I can give you a real

4469
06:32:43,240 --> 06:32:46,480
Oh, yeah, they do like you show the whole list of what they do

4470
06:32:47,640 --> 06:32:52,500
If you can talk about a type that's cool, introduce yourself and meet my life as soon as possible.

4471
06:32:52,500 --> 06:32:58,040
Sorry, I missed some of it. I was coming from the other room. I am Dr. Brittany Scharfe. I am your county extension director.

4472
06:32:59,480 --> 06:33:00,640
Can you repeat the question?

4473
06:33:01,440 --> 06:33:07,940
My question was, what's necessary and how much money we're putting into this thing? So, $580,000 Chris answered that. I guess it's split funding.

4474
06:33:08,360 --> 06:33:10,620
Correct. So, what's necessary and what's not?

4475
06:33:10,620 --> 06:33:17,400
Because you know what we're talking about now is difficult decisions that we had to figure out what's what we cut to get this two million dollars gone

4476
06:33:17,400 --> 06:33:23,100
And I just brought this up not that I'm advocating to cut it. I'm just we have to bring it all out in the open to talk about it

4477
06:33:23,100 --> 06:33:32,340
That's so how valuable is it how necessary is every dollar that's going to go into this this program because we're going to analyze every one of them until we get to the number that we need to get to

4478
06:33:32,340 --> 06:33:40,520
Okay, so I can give you an estimate that about 45% of our budget comes from the county about 5% of it comes from federal

4479
06:33:40,620 --> 06:33:47,260
50% come from state. So there's a breakdown. As far as what we offer, we offer a lot of

4480
06:33:47,260 --> 06:33:52,300
things for the community. We have our Dr. Stacy Strickland. It was our ag agent. He's constantly

4481
06:33:52,300 --> 06:33:59,500
out there working with our cattlemen, our cattle women. We have Dr. Nancy Morris. She's, you

4482
06:33:59,500 --> 06:34:07,100
know, our 4-8 agent. All your youth that are, well not all of them, but a good chunk of them

4483
06:34:07,100 --> 06:34:15,440
that you saw earlier a few months ago that are raising livestock for F-A-W-E, they do a lot

4484
06:34:15,440 --> 06:34:22,800
of other programs too. We've been teaching our youth this summer on how to do cooking camps,

4485
06:34:23,060 --> 06:34:29,700
things of that nature, eye-cover marine science, and so a big effort is we work with our recreational

4486
06:34:29,700 --> 06:34:35,380
commercial government. So we've been out there distributing scallops orders to all of our fishermen

4487
06:34:35,380 --> 06:34:38,480
and to make sure that we are sustainable harvest.

4488
06:34:39,360 --> 06:34:44,200
Some of these programs are not even part of the budget that you see.

4489
06:34:44,500 --> 06:34:48,620
So the Scout Sorter effort, I have three paid staff that are all fully grant funded.

4490
06:34:49,060 --> 06:34:53,580
All of these Scout Sorters that are being distributed are fully grant funded.

4491
06:34:54,460 --> 06:34:57,020
We charge very minimal for camps.

4492
06:34:57,560 --> 06:34:59,140
We're talking 10 bucks a day.

4493
06:34:59,140 --> 06:34:59,960
And that's it.

4494
06:35:04,300 --> 06:35:28,040
I'm sorry. I'm not talking about any grant funding. If you got grant funding, we're not, we're, we're trying to get to a bottom line budget. So we're specifically, I'm asking about what dollars come from, from Avellorum that goes to you and according to the budget is $582,000. You know, that's what I'm looking at. So that's why I, so I need to know that. I know the other stuff. Great. That's fine. We can talk about that later. You know, but if we got grant funding on it, we're not cutting that. We're not touching it. That's there.

4495
06:35:28,040 --> 06:35:32,680
I was just giving you an overview of what our office offers when you're asking about services.

4496
06:35:33,260 --> 06:35:39,920
As far as majority of our budget, we have a lot of it for salary, but again, that is split,

4497
06:35:40,040 --> 06:35:45,580
like I mentioned before, and then the other big component of it is we all ate of a Sherry

4498
06:35:45,580 --> 06:35:46,280
County vehicle.

4499
06:35:46,880 --> 06:35:49,940
Those are our two biggest costs when you're asking about our budget.

4500
06:35:51,200 --> 06:35:51,720
Okay.

4501
06:35:52,760 --> 06:35:53,400
Thank you.

4502
06:35:54,180 --> 06:35:55,140
Thank you, ma'am.

4503
06:36:02,660 --> 06:36:07,480
I want to talk about the social services, what's going on there, beta,

4504
06:36:09,830 --> 06:36:11,130
beta, yes, beta.

4505
06:36:11,930 --> 06:36:16,190
Speak about it and then tell you about the part of the general fund that funds it.

4506
06:36:16,630 --> 06:36:22,750
Yes, ship is all grant funded, but she has a lot of state mandates that we have to do,

4507
06:36:23,030 --> 06:36:26,130
like the Indian Carels and the jail medicals and all that.

4508
06:36:26,130 --> 06:36:31,810
And that's general and I would those would be yeah those would be sorry those would be the points that were at the state mandated

4509
06:36:31,810 --> 06:36:35,230
You just simply say the state mandated if it's a grant not worried about it

4510
06:36:35,230 --> 06:36:42,750
We're talking about money that we actually spend that's the stress of no discretionary that we can actually make a decision on whether to use or not

4511
06:36:43,270 --> 06:36:49,050
You're part of your budget. Yeah, the parts of your budget that are description area. I mean you can list them on no couple

4512
06:36:49,050 --> 06:36:51,770
But yeah part of my budget that is description area

4513
06:36:51,770 --> 06:37:04,790
I think we use $500 for prescription assistance for those, so they maintain medical, so we won't spend that extra and our medical expenses, so that's $500 there.

4514
06:37:05,450 --> 06:37:09,650
When it comes to, when my budget's not up, when it comes to-

4515
06:37:09,650 --> 06:37:12,290
You're going to go program like ship program, like ship program.

4516
06:37:12,670 --> 06:37:16,010
Ship program is completely funded by ship.

4517
06:37:16,370 --> 06:37:19,770
I actually have full employees that I-

4518
06:37:19,770 --> 06:37:20,690
Do you do cast circle?

4519
06:37:21,970 --> 06:37:22,070
Yes.

4520
06:37:22,590 --> 06:37:25,590
So cast circle has a budget of 900,000 is all grant funded.

4521
06:37:26,410 --> 06:37:28,310
It's utilized through CDBG.

4522
06:37:28,370 --> 06:37:31,690
It says 2027 to 900,000, 690.

4523
06:37:32,950 --> 06:37:36,870
Well, I'm utilizing CDBG funds to do some of the projects in there.

4524
06:37:37,130 --> 06:37:37,330
Okay.

4525
06:37:37,450 --> 06:37:44,650
But as for anything else, that's funding that we receive from other funding sources.

4526
06:37:44,750 --> 06:37:45,350
So now that's available.

4527
06:37:45,550 --> 06:37:48,690
I believe that 900,000 this year is coming from gas tax.

4528
06:37:48,690 --> 06:37:53,990
Okay, our project. Okay, the projects in there are funded via

4529
06:37:55,530 --> 06:38:00,990
Castags Landscape Fund. I'm just checking off the link. We have a staff member. No, we have staff member. We have a staff member

4530
06:38:00,990 --> 06:38:10,150
I believe that I believe that staff member is paid by general fund most likely. That would be hidey average. Yeah, we have we have we have one staff member that runs that program and the South Brooks or CRA

4531
06:38:10,150 --> 06:38:17,850
We kind of one person does the same thing. She does one person with him and she does the community development project. The next thing we have is homeless initiative

4532
06:38:17,850 --> 06:38:20,130
We have that and I think that's funded by General Fund, right?

4533
06:38:20,490 --> 06:38:21,730
Homeless individual is not.

4534
06:38:21,870 --> 06:38:24,830
Homeless individual is funded by the community development block band.

4535
06:38:24,830 --> 06:38:25,910
Okay, thank you, correct, thank you.

4536
06:38:26,070 --> 06:38:28,890
Okay, affordable housing, social services, welfare services.

4537
06:38:29,590 --> 06:38:35,450
Well-fair services, I think that falls under the Injident Barrier Program, that's funded, that's state mandate.

4538
06:38:36,750 --> 06:38:39,210
If you're talking about a registered person, that's state mandate.

4539
06:38:39,610 --> 06:38:42,370
If you're talking about child protection, that's state mandate.

4540
06:38:42,370 --> 06:38:52,890
If you're talking about uninsured medical expenses, crisis stabilization, 75% is played by the state.

4541
06:38:52,990 --> 06:38:56,070
We're mandated to do that, 25% is paid by us.

4542
06:38:56,350 --> 06:38:58,470
We have not increased that in over 10 years.

4543
06:38:58,690 --> 06:39:01,770
How about the inmate medical billing?

4544
06:39:02,010 --> 06:39:03,450
Do we, I mean, we state mandate.

4545
06:39:03,710 --> 06:39:06,370
And then the dental we pay for that, too, is that mandated also?

4546
06:39:06,450 --> 06:39:08,270
We always do that option, you know, we need to provide.

4547
06:39:08,270 --> 06:39:16,270
That actually is coming out of the funding that we receive through the Health Department, so this Health Department funded.

4548
06:39:16,710 --> 06:39:16,830
Okay.

4549
06:39:17,670 --> 06:39:19,350
So social services, right?

4550
06:39:19,590 --> 06:39:23,750
It may be a combination of a bunch of departments, but I mean it's a big number there.

4551
06:39:24,390 --> 06:39:25,110
Which one?

4552
06:39:25,310 --> 06:39:25,370
Which one?

4553
06:39:25,370 --> 06:39:26,270
That is not all mandates.

4554
06:39:28,010 --> 06:39:32,370
When it comes to Medicaid, Medicaid is the 4.0 million dollars.

4555
06:39:32,610 --> 06:39:33,970
So that is completely statement.

4556
06:39:33,970 --> 06:39:35,010
It's not showing this.

4557
06:39:35,010 --> 06:39:38,290
Juvenile justice is 1.3 that state mandate.

4558
06:39:38,590 --> 06:39:41,550
This was said 817,132 under social services.

4559
06:39:41,910 --> 06:39:50,390
Social services, my department, those employees that manage those state mandates, they are paid on the social services.

4560
06:40:02,080 --> 06:40:29,900
Let's put the budget book on a screen here. Health care, health, health unit, trust fund, is that what you're talking about before? Health unit trust fund, that's fine. One, one, four, well, it's the new title fund now, but yes. Do you want to book every detail? I would put the book up there. It's got a summary of each department in it, right? That's probably the public. I put this put the health unit up there. Hey, this is not, this is not saying I want to cut it. We just ask questions because we're getting educated

4561
06:40:29,900 --> 06:40:36,440
that's all about what's what's mandated because if we don't know how do we how do we know what the cut

4562
06:40:37,980 --> 06:40:41,020
on the health trust fund you're speaking of that's one of our milleges

4563
06:40:41,900 --> 06:40:43,740
I'm sorry yeah that's one that has a milleged

4564
06:40:44,440 --> 06:40:48,060
that's a milleged it helps if we use it for the health department contract and then also any health

4565
06:40:48,060 --> 06:40:52,820
improvements at that health department I told him when we rolled that back last year and we

4566
06:40:52,820 --> 06:40:56,420
met in that back a little bit over here maybe nice to have more of it that's definitely got to be a rollback

4567
06:40:56,420 --> 06:41:00,180
I mean, it's like, it is what it is, that's what we're going to have, you know, we agree with that.

4568
06:41:04,920 --> 06:41:05,960
Question, next one you need.

4569
06:41:06,680 --> 06:41:10,640
I mean, there's a, there's a, well, I gave it a few there, but there was a natural reason.

4570
06:41:10,860 --> 06:41:12,780
I mean, I don't think anything unfolds out of your umbrella.

4571
06:41:13,180 --> 06:41:14,940
I want to know what's discretionary.

4572
06:41:15,340 --> 06:41:16,260
What's discretionary?

4573
06:41:16,620 --> 06:41:19,200
What is an option, whether we have to do it or not?

4574
06:41:19,380 --> 06:41:20,780
If we have to, then we have to.

4575
06:41:21,060 --> 06:41:25,360
That would be my staff salary and what's used to operate that department.

4576
06:41:25,360 --> 06:41:31,800
and then that would also be $500.00 in prescriptions on the citizens within our

4577
06:41:31,800 --> 06:41:37,020
campus to take them out of the emergency room and to cut back on our man-data

4578
06:41:37,020 --> 06:41:41,720
costs. That's an annual expense, $500.00. Annual expense. We actually use other

4579
06:41:41,720 --> 06:41:45,080
programs to find some of

4580
06:41:47,740 --> 06:41:48,540
it together.

4581
06:41:54,000 --> 06:41:57,940
Yeah, if you want to tell us which items are the

4582
06:41:57,940 --> 06:41:59,320
discretionary ones on there.

4583
06:42:00,980 --> 06:42:02,300
Do you want all of them individual?

4584
06:42:02,840 --> 06:42:04,360
Yeah, if you can do all of them individual.

4585
06:42:11,720 --> 06:42:13,740
I don't think that's probably worse.

4586
06:42:26,170 --> 06:42:28,210
Yeah, we're trying to put those for

4587
06:42:33,490 --> 06:42:34,090
the sampling.

4588
06:42:44,400 --> 06:42:46,420
Yeah, those are the safe mansions.

4589
06:42:48,420 --> 06:42:48,860
There you go.

4590
06:42:50,140 --> 06:42:51,300
Because they're all behind that.

4591
06:42:53,290 --> 06:42:54,550
If that's them, they'll build up.

4592
06:42:54,810 --> 06:42:56,150
And then these are the individual ones.

4593
06:43:00,780 --> 06:43:01,460
Do you want me to make a bigger?

4594
06:43:17,410 --> 06:43:18,450
Can you close that sidebar?

4595
06:43:19,470 --> 06:43:19,830
OK.

4596
06:43:20,070 --> 06:43:20,230
Please.

4597
06:43:21,190 --> 06:43:22,690
Can I say something real quick?

4598
06:43:22,970 --> 06:43:23,170
Yes, Eric.

4599
06:43:25,250 --> 06:43:28,550
Administrator, that's why, I mean, this is going to be a painful process and I'll stay

4600
06:43:28,550 --> 06:43:33,370
here until 10 o'clock at night and do it if we actually want to do, but if the simple

4601
06:43:33,370 --> 06:43:38,550
solution would be to take the two million dollars, I told you, I asked you, actually, to go

4602
06:43:38,550 --> 06:43:42,390
and just look per capita and cut this and then until we get to the final budget.

4603
06:43:42,710 --> 06:43:45,730
It would be much easier for you because you are the expert and these are experts out there.

4604
06:43:46,390 --> 06:43:49,070
Otherwise, I'm going to sit here and I'm just going to take hatches to wherever I find,

4605
06:43:49,570 --> 06:43:52,750
which is not fair. That's what I'm going to say. I'm going to say I'm going to vote, but that's what I'm going to do.

4606
06:43:53,370 --> 06:43:55,710
You know, to me, it would be better off for you to go back and look at it.

4607
06:43:56,210 --> 06:43:57,830
That's my opinion. I don't know about you guys.

4608
06:43:58,310 --> 06:44:01,450
Because otherwise, I'm just going to say I'm going to do whatever you've paid, and I'm going to find something.

4609
06:44:02,010 --> 06:44:07,630
I'm not going to vote for a hatchet, but I'm all for looking at this objectively.

4610
06:44:09,210 --> 06:44:16,410
So you don't agree that the administrators can go back and look and see if you can find this, where you know, you can say look we could cut per capita.

4611
06:44:19,550 --> 06:44:24,130
I don't think you have the votes for, I don't know, that's what I was trying to understand.

4612
06:44:24,290 --> 06:44:25,550
I don't think you have the votes for rollback.

4613
06:44:29,610 --> 06:44:31,230
I mean, is everybody saying they're not going to vote for rollback?

4614
06:44:31,510 --> 06:44:36,530
I don't think you have, I'm not going to vote for rollback unless I know what specific line items going.

4615
06:44:38,490 --> 06:44:42,570
I think that's a very responsible, so you don't trust the administrator to make that decision.

4616
06:44:43,030 --> 06:44:43,850
I didn't say that.

4617
06:44:44,310 --> 06:44:45,450
I mean, I tried asking for them.

4618
06:44:45,450 --> 06:44:47,550
I asked him to get, because it's really a minimal percentage.

4619
06:44:48,650 --> 06:44:49,290
It's 1%.

4620
06:44:49,730 --> 06:44:51,950
Literally, I mean, it's 1% and then it's what we're over.

4621
06:44:52,310 --> 06:44:52,390
Yeah.

4622
06:44:52,590 --> 06:44:53,750
You know, a less than 1% access.

4623
06:44:54,270 --> 06:44:55,650
You know, if you look at 2 million base entry,

4624
06:44:55,790 --> 06:44:58,650
when you take out the reserves, if he got 1% from every single

4625
06:44:58,650 --> 06:44:59,970
department, it really would...

4626
06:45:03,000 --> 06:45:22,140
I would rather him choose because he knows what's important and what's the most important and what's the least important. And, of course, every one of these directors out here, they all think their department and rightfully so, is very important. But otherwise, we're going to sit here and we're going to go through every one of them and go from there. I believe this man, at least he should, as the administrator, have the expertise to make that decision.

4627
06:45:22,140 --> 06:45:24,580
So if you just raise it when you want to move on.

4628
06:45:24,600 --> 06:45:24,840
All right.

4629
06:45:25,420 --> 06:45:26,600
I will answer.

4630
06:45:27,060 --> 06:45:27,180
So.

4631
06:45:27,620 --> 06:45:32,360
I will ask our Services Department, again, that's a disposition of their bodies as a state

4632
06:45:32,360 --> 06:45:32,720
mandate.

4633
06:45:35,240 --> 06:45:37,360
Just tell us about the ones that aren't.

4634
06:45:38,500 --> 06:45:45,600
The only one that isn't would probably be, again, the prescription program and the employees

4635
06:45:45,600 --> 06:45:47,840
that fund it under me.

4636
06:45:48,020 --> 06:45:51,840
Just that, we pay the staff, we pay for the general fund of the staff that runs all the

4637
06:45:51,840 --> 06:45:56,920
The program is where they get the federal grant money in for the services for the community.

4638
06:45:57,240 --> 06:46:02,940
So, the exemptions in that department would be peat personnel, so if we do this personnel

4639
06:46:02,940 --> 06:46:07,040
we could we just staff member something and then that's where you could do that department.

4640
06:46:12,780 --> 06:46:15,660
Are we good? We're now, can we come in?

4641
06:46:16,040 --> 06:46:20,580
I mean, it's on you. I mean, there was multiple categories. I'm just saying, I asked for, you know,

4642
06:46:20,600 --> 06:46:25,680
anything that's not, is only $500 or you say now under, you're telling me that it's only $500

4643
06:46:25,680 --> 06:46:27,460
that we have discretionary over in our whole department.

4644
06:46:27,660 --> 06:46:35,280
No, staff and personnel costs, and then there's also mental health that we provide.

4645
06:46:35,660 --> 06:46:39,460
We're mandated to do 25% and the state does 75%.

4646
06:46:39,460 --> 06:46:43,360
So the 25% that we do, it's a mandate though.

4647
06:46:43,540 --> 06:46:45,940
It's a match, but it's a mandate.

4648
06:46:46,240 --> 06:46:53,100
It's a whole amount of mandate or is that, because that tool is 75% to 25%.

4649
06:46:53,840 --> 06:47:02,020
So basically you put in 525 and the state's putting in 1.5 million or is that your total budget 500 and it's only 25% that is ours.

4650
06:47:02,180 --> 06:47:03,880
So 125 is the total.

4651
06:47:04,080 --> 06:47:12,940
130 maybe whatever the total amount is 525 and 75% of that is mandated.

4652
06:47:13,380 --> 06:47:15,220
25% is the rest of hours.

4653
06:47:16,740 --> 06:47:17,940
Okay, nothing else.

4654
06:47:18,200 --> 06:47:18,980
Anything else is good?

4655
06:47:20,560 --> 06:47:23,300
If that's the answer, and there's nothing else, and there's nothing else to talk about.

4656
06:47:23,520 --> 06:47:25,660
I was just asking questions, so I'd like to grab it out and open it.

4657
06:47:25,800 --> 06:47:26,000
Thank you.

4658
06:47:26,180 --> 06:47:26,540
You're welcome.

4659
06:47:27,880 --> 06:47:30,240
Anything else from Commissioner Champeon to us?

4660
06:47:31,680 --> 06:47:32,420
The natural list.

4661
06:47:32,660 --> 06:47:33,900
The natural resources?

4662
06:47:34,220 --> 06:47:36,060
I'm going to go through natural resources, sir.

4663
06:47:36,480 --> 06:47:36,840
Okay.

4664
06:47:40,580 --> 06:47:45,740
So, speaking of them, it was waterways and sensitive liens, where the two departments that

4665
06:47:45,740 --> 06:47:47,120
that we're put together as one

4666
06:47:47,720 --> 06:47:48,560
under natural resource.

4667
06:47:49,340 --> 06:47:51,100
And that goal was we did that last year really

4668
06:47:51,100 --> 06:47:53,220
so we can use the employees in both departments

4669
06:47:53,220 --> 06:47:54,620
and minimize the amount of staff we had

4670
06:47:54,620 --> 06:47:56,980
and so we put those together last year

4671
06:47:57,920 --> 06:47:59,660
to get a good recognition by staff

4672
06:47:59,660 --> 06:48:01,280
to do that, to be a more low-fishing.

4673
06:48:01,900 --> 06:48:02,760
This worked out pretty well.

4674
06:48:03,100 --> 06:48:04,920
The employees can walk away staff

4675
06:48:04,920 --> 06:48:06,060
and go do things to land things,

4676
06:48:06,160 --> 06:48:08,260
the fire burns, maintaining that by preserve you have.

4677
06:48:09,160 --> 06:48:10,040
That's why they put together.

4678
06:48:10,300 --> 06:48:11,960
That's why there's only budget for one year.

4679
06:48:11,960 --> 06:48:14,600
We said that they were two separate departments, so.

4680
06:48:16,120 --> 06:48:21,880
And I think they just went over their capital outlay, but if you want to speak to them, I can't about that.

4681
06:48:24,310 --> 06:48:27,590
Is that $770,000? I have a lot of capital outlay in it.

4682
06:48:28,830 --> 06:48:32,430
Is this capital has $675?

4683
06:48:33,510 --> 06:48:35,950
I had $770,000. I got to find a way to inspect again.

4684
06:48:36,430 --> 06:48:38,850
The $770,000 is a personal services.

4685
06:48:38,850 --> 06:48:44,810
Okay, this is personnel. Yeah, so the capital outweigh 675 and we just talked about the three projects

4686
06:48:44,810 --> 06:48:47,370
Right, but it's those are the three projects that we just cut

4687
06:48:47,770 --> 06:48:53,190
Or the herd made a beach boat ramp restoration the cypress lakes boardwalk and the pex sink ADA parking lot

4688
06:48:53,190 --> 06:48:58,670
I don't know if we cut all of that. No, we just cut cypress lakes boardwalk. So okay, so that that's 675 comprised all

4689
06:49:00,950 --> 06:49:01,750
Yeah, good

4690
06:49:05,650 --> 06:49:06,390
with that right now

4691
06:49:06,390 --> 06:49:09,290
Well, this is almost 400 is 300 something over last year

4692
06:49:09,290 --> 06:49:10,790
I mean, we gotta talk about that too.

4693
06:49:11,170 --> 06:49:12,390
Okay, I gotta talk about waiting to that.

4694
06:49:12,390 --> 06:49:13,870
So that's where it was not, you know what I mean?

4695
06:49:14,450 --> 06:49:16,430
Am I looking at total budget at 2.4 million?

4696
06:49:17,210 --> 06:49:17,590
Is that right?

4697
06:49:19,270 --> 06:49:22,170
Yeah, so the increase was the Hernandez Beach boat ramp project,

4698
06:49:22,190 --> 06:49:25,090
the 350 coming in.

4699
06:49:26,010 --> 06:49:29,210
So it was our CIPs that made our budget go up this year.

4700
06:49:29,730 --> 06:49:31,970
Again, it's a one-time cost, but yeah.

4701
06:49:32,070 --> 06:49:35,470
Right, and we had three CIPs that were over 100,000 so.

4702
06:49:35,990 --> 06:49:37,250
Not to say we cut the whole apartment,

4703
06:49:37,250 --> 06:49:39,810
But it's it is not mandated any other script

4704
06:49:41,190 --> 06:49:43,910
Now, and I don't want to cut the whole department, but I'm saying it's an option

4705
06:49:43,910 --> 06:49:48,510
It's a chunk of it. This is again why I would want the administrator to go back and look at it

4706
06:49:48,510 --> 06:49:52,690
I'll just say again, and I don't want to I don't want to suggest this but of course, too

4707
06:49:52,690 --> 06:49:53,590
I'm gonna go through each one

4708
06:49:53,970 --> 06:49:58,130
We're gonna figure out where we get it because another book for anything on the rollback and they can't get anything

4709
06:49:58,130 --> 06:49:59,810
That without me so doesn't really matter

4710
06:50:00,000 --> 06:50:09,000
So I'm voting roll back. So unless somebody tells me something, I'm not doing it. Actually, I'm sorry, it is 3-1. For roll back only, but anything more than roll back to school. I understand.

4711
06:50:11,840 --> 06:50:30,380
Okay. I don't want to do that, but that's what we want to look at everyone. Let's see. I think we need to stay here. I think it's the right thing to do. What I would like to do is maybe we can reduce the, where we're looking. Let's imagine it's next year.

4712
06:50:31,200 --> 06:50:41,140
what is not required. And let's start from that. Okay. What what departments? What what

4713
06:50:42,080 --> 06:50:47,140
sections of apartments are basically not required because if we're going to cut out 30 something

4714
06:50:47,140 --> 06:50:53,120
million dollars, we're going to be doing that anyway. So let's start at the places that we don't

4715
06:50:53,120 --> 06:50:58,440
have to have money spent. That's why I started looking at these. Right. No, I get it. And so so let's start

4716
06:50:58,440 --> 06:51:01,900
looking at those I mean I hate this but this is what we're going to have to do

4717
06:51:01,900 --> 06:51:04,220
because if we're going to cut from someplace that might as well come from a

4718
06:51:04,220 --> 06:51:05,580
place that's going to be gone anyway.

4719
06:51:09,310 --> 06:51:11,010
I know it's South terrible but this is

4720
06:51:11,010 --> 06:51:14,170
a reality. I know 100 percent of that's where it gets that's the

4721
06:51:14,170 --> 06:51:17,170
direction where I mean I would tell you that the other goal is we've given you the

4722
06:51:17,170 --> 06:51:19,570
lot of times today you know and you I don't I'm

4723
06:51:19,570 --> 06:51:23,270
claiming again but the process starts today right and so

4724
06:51:23,770 --> 06:51:26,770
if there's reductions to be made right you set a max

4725
06:51:26,770 --> 06:51:30,190
millage and then you say okay we're going to go to roll back at the first

4726
06:51:30,190 --> 06:51:35,030
hearing, then we know we got to find 1.7 million, everybody has line items, we can talk

4727
06:51:35,030 --> 06:51:38,570
about them all the next month. Have you meeting, you can bring four and say, what are these

4728
06:51:38,570 --> 06:51:45,590
Jeff? How can we find 1.79 million or whatever it is to go to roll back at the public hearing,

4729
06:51:45,590 --> 06:51:49,410
and then you know you're going to go to roll back to the hearing because you have to vote

4730
06:51:49,410 --> 06:51:55,570
and move it up, right? So I mean, so the goal is to put in your budget and it's not satisfactory

4731
06:51:55,570 --> 06:52:00,990
If you had a line on it, you're supposed to take this next month and go and view it.

4732
06:52:01,070 --> 06:52:04,030
Now the citizens have it and they're all going to review it and send you comments and say,

4733
06:52:04,110 --> 06:52:07,970
hey, this is wrong or I want this funded and then you can ask people if they want,

4734
06:52:08,170 --> 06:52:09,810
I fish or not one, I fish, right?

4735
06:52:09,970 --> 06:52:13,550
And so I fish is a great discussion point and you know, you don't have to have a night

4736
06:52:13,550 --> 06:52:14,030
this contract.

4737
06:52:14,590 --> 06:52:22,210
And so I will tell you that, but that's why I think my purpose is the max mill is number

4738
06:52:22,210 --> 06:52:26,810
And then you take this and you have another month to go through all this and you cost two channels, right?

4739
06:52:26,970 --> 06:52:37,030
And you have their budgets now and you can find out if there's savings there, so we're doing all the lifting and I know Doug sitting there and, you know, he might be able to help you get $300,000, right?

4740
06:52:37,430 --> 06:52:39,370
He can do that September 10th, right?

4741
06:52:39,470 --> 06:52:43,410
He can come in there and say, you know what, I can find you to bring $1,000 of them efficiency he does.

4742
06:52:43,410 --> 06:52:52,090
And so, and then you can, it's just hopes of that's how the pluses I should work not to do night and good to others, but we can.

4743
06:52:52,390 --> 06:52:56,570
Well, so that's my, and I agree, but I'm going to say it a little differently.

4744
06:52:57,250 --> 06:53:04,350
So if we're going to roll back and that's, that's the direction of the board.

4745
06:53:04,790 --> 06:53:07,270
We're sitting here because I'm not voting for it.

4746
06:53:07,550 --> 06:53:10,530
If you have the other three to vote for roll back, then so be it.

4747
06:53:10,530 --> 06:53:17,490
I don't know. That's a question you have to ask yourself. But I'm not voting for rollback today until I know where it's coming from.

4748
06:53:18,110 --> 06:53:25,870
So you tell me where it's coming from and I can get comfortable with that. Then I'll place a vote outside of that.

4749
06:53:26,750 --> 06:53:31,790
I'm not voting for it. So that's what I'm trying to say earlier.

4750
06:53:31,790 --> 06:53:45,250
there. So, we could all vote to set the max millage and then reduce it, come September 10th or 22nd whatever final day is.

4751
06:53:47,150 --> 06:53:49,130
Commissioner Alaka, thank you.

4752
06:53:49,910 --> 06:53:56,670
We know in September it has to be rolled back, right? I mean, that's because of the numbers, right?

4753
06:53:56,670 --> 06:54:00,630
So my I'm and if we're gonna set it at rollback today

4754
06:54:00,630 --> 06:54:06,510
That's why I feel like we need to sit here and go through this if we know it's gonna be rollback anyway

4755
06:54:06,510 --> 06:54:11,810
Well, I don't know so so we just filed out today. It's three. It's we need three votes

4756
06:54:12,510 --> 06:54:14,530
To not do rollback, right?

4757
06:54:15,270 --> 06:54:17,770
No, no, we need unanimous. So that's not gonna happen.

4758
06:54:18,130 --> 06:54:19,350
Today we only need to

4759
06:54:22,410 --> 06:54:30,770
But on September 10, September 10, it needs to be unanimous to do anything above rollback.

4760
06:54:32,450 --> 06:54:34,530
So it's going to be rollback is my point.

4761
06:54:35,330 --> 06:54:39,710
So if we want to set it at rollback today, we're going to have to go through and figure it out.

4762
06:54:40,670 --> 06:54:42,270
It's going to be rollback anyway.

4763
06:54:42,450 --> 06:54:46,750
And so we can spend a month and a week trying to figure this out how we're going to get there.

4764
06:54:47,190 --> 06:54:50,850
But if we're going to set it today, we're going to have to figure out where it's coming from.

4765
06:54:51,470 --> 06:54:55,790
I'm going to put the line items on the screen, and we'll just go general fine line items.

4766
06:54:56,230 --> 06:54:57,950
All right, let me try to clear the light.

4767
06:54:58,130 --> 06:54:58,430
Are you good?

4768
06:54:58,630 --> 06:54:58,990
Commissioner Otto?

4769
06:54:59,190 --> 06:54:59,330
Yes, sir.

4770
06:55:00,000 --> 06:55:02,500
I want to say one thing.

4771
06:55:04,560 --> 06:55:29,680
Yeah, wait, the general fund departments with the three years. Yeah, but we do it this way. You see the increases and they can start that way to go. I mean, I was going to go through every general fund department with a lot of times and school. We'll get through it in a little bit time. We're going to do something real quick. All right, go ahead. So we've already agreed on 175.

4772
06:55:32,760 --> 06:55:38,400
You have the other capital things and I know that's not the right place to take it wrong, but it's still an option if you want to get there.

4773
06:55:39,080 --> 06:55:46,300
You know, I think when you're looking at natural resources and even looking at IFS, I mean, I don't know if I'm going to cut IFS out altogether, but those are not necessary.

4774
06:55:47,020 --> 06:55:54,780
You know, so right now, if you were to ask me if we can eliminate some of those capital projects or go from there, we take the rest from natural resources.

4775
06:55:54,780 --> 06:56:01,560
and then with the with the explanation that if the the administrator wants to

4776
06:56:01,560 --> 06:56:06,020
shift around some things to get there still the same number by the time you

4777
06:56:06,020 --> 06:56:09,100
get to September 10th I'm good with that if not it comes from those

4778
06:56:09,100 --> 06:56:12,460
apartments and that's where it comes from so if there's no weatherbikes to go you

4779
06:56:12,460 --> 06:56:15,300
take them for now to resources you take them once somebody five on the project now

4780
06:56:15,300 --> 06:56:19,020
if you'd like to you may decide to cut the boat ramp resurfacing you may decide

4781
06:56:19,020 --> 06:56:22,240
that and maybe that's another interview thousand you may look at that stuff and

4782
06:56:22,240 --> 06:56:32,140
And that's where you come in to say, and we shift the numbers, but to get to a zero number today, we say take it from there, because I don't think you're going to find other, you're not going to go kind of from human resources.

4783
06:56:32,140 --> 06:56:37,240
You're not going to go cut it from the rest of the parks, even though every year we do that.

4784
06:56:37,320 --> 06:56:45,340
We could do that. But again, what benefit is there more benefit to the community for those things versus what we're talking about right here?

4785
06:56:45,700 --> 06:56:49,940
And I think when you look at that, when you look at waterways, we're not even really responsible for the water anyway, not my opinion.

4786
06:56:49,940 --> 06:56:52,940
And I think it's a state, you know, and we went back and forth on this a bunch of times.

4787
06:56:53,200 --> 06:56:55,140
So if you're going to take something from something, you take it from there.

4788
06:56:55,760 --> 06:56:56,460
You know, that's right.

4789
06:56:56,480 --> 06:56:57,720
That's where I would say.

4790
06:56:57,960 --> 06:57:01,900
And you can get the whole white budget balance that way, and it doesn't strip it all out.

4791
06:57:01,920 --> 06:57:02,680
It takes a lot of it out.

4792
06:57:02,900 --> 06:57:05,820
But then you go back and shift the numbers around and say, look, I shift the numbers around.

4793
06:57:05,860 --> 06:57:06,340
You guys agree?

4794
06:57:06,420 --> 06:57:07,220
I'm still at your same number.

4795
06:57:07,580 --> 06:57:07,760
Okay.

4796
06:57:08,360 --> 06:57:10,660
And that would solve our problem at least temporarily.

4797
06:57:11,360 --> 06:57:13,640
On the 10th, we may not agree where he moved numbers around.

4798
06:57:13,840 --> 06:57:16,040
We default back to this and say, okay, we're taking it from there.

4799
06:57:16,040 --> 06:57:21,340
Well, we still have the other problem of we haven't agreed if we're comfortable with

4800
06:57:21,340 --> 06:57:23,240
the other rollback rate.

4801
06:57:23,700 --> 06:57:25,200
I said we have to start there.

4802
06:57:25,360 --> 06:57:25,580
Right.

4803
06:57:25,680 --> 06:57:26,220
No, I understand.

4804
06:57:26,760 --> 06:57:29,120
So we still have that problem just so you know.

4805
06:57:30,660 --> 06:57:31,360
Can we?

4806
06:57:31,840 --> 06:57:31,860
Can we?

4807
06:57:31,860 --> 06:57:33,120
You want to go back to the rollback rates?

4808
06:57:34,780 --> 06:57:44,300
Well, since he mentioned the, well, let me ask this, is there any other one of the one time

4809
06:57:44,300 --> 06:57:49,060
charges of the capital expenses of that list that he gave us.

4810
06:57:49,080 --> 06:57:49,540
Is the data screen?

4811
06:57:50,540 --> 06:57:50,980
Change.

4812
06:57:52,480 --> 06:57:53,200
There you go.

4813
06:57:53,440 --> 06:57:53,560
Yeah.

4814
06:57:54,120 --> 06:57:54,500
That's great.

4815
06:57:54,540 --> 06:57:54,820
All right.

4816
06:57:55,040 --> 06:57:59,780
So that's how far we've eliminated Cypress Lakes Observation Boardwalk.

4817
06:58:00,420 --> 06:58:01,500
Can you talk about the ERP?

4818
06:58:01,920 --> 06:58:02,040
No.

4819
06:58:04,370 --> 06:58:08,090
ERP is going to be reoccurring staff like our subscription.

4820
06:58:08,730 --> 06:58:09,430
So that's really known.

4821
06:58:09,910 --> 06:58:10,390
That's an error.

4822
06:58:10,430 --> 06:58:11,990
It shouldn't be a CIP project anymore.

4823
06:58:12,210 --> 06:58:12,470
That's a main.

4824
06:58:12,570 --> 06:58:13,870
And we know we do see an implementing.

4825
06:58:14,290 --> 06:58:14,810
That's a maintenance.

4826
06:58:15,150 --> 06:58:15,350
Okay.

4827
06:58:15,350 --> 06:58:20,550
that's required software yeah okay all right so that really shouldn't be up

4828
06:58:20,550 --> 06:58:25,470
there okay yep all right is there anything else on the list that you guys want

4829
06:58:25,470 --> 06:58:25,970
to cut

4830
06:58:30,350 --> 06:58:35,010
you know I recommend pet so pet sink for them and I'll just start with that

4831
06:58:35,010 --> 06:58:41,410
is a pet sink was done a long time ago when we revised it right we got a new

4832
06:58:41,410 --> 06:58:45,810
project now is there a grant funding if that it is it's just to start with this

4833
06:58:45,810 --> 06:58:49,470
stuff I've started designing that project it's been sitting there for years and we

4834
06:58:49,470 --> 06:58:50,610
We can wait another year on that.

4835
06:58:50,790 --> 06:58:53,270
The parking lot is a new one for us altogether.

4836
06:58:53,530 --> 06:58:54,850
We haven't had anything that would be for design.

4837
06:58:54,950 --> 06:58:56,690
There's no access to that thing today.

4838
06:58:56,810 --> 06:58:58,250
It's only by imitationally, right?

4839
06:58:58,350 --> 06:58:59,430
We're going to eventually open it up.

4840
06:58:59,730 --> 06:59:02,010
But it's the more we want to add a parking lot

4841
06:59:02,010 --> 06:59:03,050
that's actually compliant.

4842
06:59:03,470 --> 06:59:04,390
So right now it's just grass.

4843
06:59:04,590 --> 06:59:05,810
That's kind of a growth of the government

4844
06:59:05,810 --> 06:59:06,890
that can open up pet sink.

4845
06:59:07,030 --> 06:59:07,910
So I mean, let's cut that.

4846
06:59:08,430 --> 06:59:11,890
I would agree as much as I would like to cut that at this point.

4847
06:59:12,110 --> 06:59:12,230
It's not.

4848
06:59:13,070 --> 06:59:15,470
So I'll give it a pet sink there for that, Mr. Chairman.

4849
06:59:15,470 --> 06:59:22,630
Yeah, which is net water plant renovation, you know, we, I mean, I've already talked a lot. I mean, we can do that here

4850
06:59:22,630 --> 06:59:25,810
I think I've talked them out and it is you know, we do have to

4851
06:59:26,490 --> 06:59:30,670
At least the house and the book barn up there we can wait another year and that and I'm like I'm meeting with

4852
06:59:30,670 --> 06:59:32,410
Fam you in a couple of weeks. I can

4853
06:59:33,410 --> 06:59:38,390
Squeeze them for some more money. Make them do it. I don't think we should be replacing plants. No, that's a no, it's a water plant

4854
06:59:38,390 --> 06:59:41,010
We have a water plan and to seek it. Oh, is it okay?

4855
06:59:41,010 --> 06:59:42,110
I guess we've got a tank.

4856
06:59:42,550 --> 06:59:46,650
I apologize, but I want this to work.

4857
06:59:49,110 --> 06:59:50,270
That's our expensive finance.

4858
06:59:50,430 --> 06:59:52,170
We might get a government finance though, you know, but no.

4859
06:59:52,770 --> 06:59:55,010
So you can move that one too easily.

4860
06:59:55,510 --> 06:59:56,230
Which one is it?

4861
06:59:56,330 --> 06:59:57,150
The Tunisic at Hill.

4862
06:59:57,690 --> 06:59:58,610
That's $50,000.

4863
06:59:58,910 --> 06:59:59,970
There are any weaver shots.

4864
07:00:00,000 --> 07:00:27,780
Copy placement. He's been done, but we can delay. This is a terrible looking building up there, but that works out of the, but you know, that's just design costs and it's just an old building. If you guys are doing it, we're not building it. So we can design that too. Okay. So are you guys on board with Ernie Weaver shop replacement, removing that should see get water plant renovation, removing that in vaccine, ADA parking sidewalk and chaos, removing that. Yeah, 475. Yeah.

4865
07:00:28,980 --> 07:00:30,920
So that's, yeah, that's 150,

4866
07:00:33,660 --> 07:00:37,640
yeah, 200, again, none of these are operating costs.

4867
07:00:37,900 --> 07:00:44,000
They're just, yeah, $475,000, I'll find $100,000 in library sales.

4868
07:00:45,300 --> 07:00:48,900
The other thing to think about is if the thing doesn't pass, it's going to be a big change.

4869
07:00:49,240 --> 07:00:53,160
Oh, I mean, it will be, it will be, this is not going to be a change, because it won't

4870
07:00:53,160 --> 07:00:53,760
still let's cut.

4871
07:00:53,880 --> 07:00:54,140
I think so.

4872
07:00:54,480 --> 07:00:54,980
We'll see.

4873
07:00:55,380 --> 07:00:56,620
This won't matter, yeah.

4874
07:00:57,520 --> 07:01:03,380
Okay, so we have 475 there, one time, one time for fees, but a time cost.

4875
07:01:04,180 --> 07:01:10,300
All right, so now we want to go back to the budget, Aaron, please.

4876
07:01:11,800 --> 07:01:12,920
And where are you suggesting we start?

4877
07:01:14,180 --> 07:01:14,860
Natural resources.

4878
07:01:15,120 --> 07:01:15,840
Natural resources.

4879
07:01:17,380 --> 07:01:17,840
Two.

4880
07:01:18,440 --> 07:01:20,480
Oh, the whole department is cutting.

4881
07:01:20,760 --> 07:01:21,400
Well, you don't need to cut.

4882
07:01:21,460 --> 07:01:25,060
You just cut 475 and then with the reserves you're talking, it's like 600.

4883
07:01:25,060 --> 07:01:29,880
So you've got you still got like one point like five million or so. I don't you have to do numbers

4884
07:01:30,500 --> 07:01:31,960
We need to cut the get to zero

4885
07:01:37,040 --> 07:01:44,100
Better for the budget book. I think to start with this list. It shows are pretty easy. Oh, what are you having this list? Okay

4886
07:01:46,040 --> 07:01:48,120
We're gonna need a tax collector put on the taxes

4887
07:01:50,600 --> 07:01:54,480
So this just shows the joke was a joke. I hope she's not listening

4888
07:01:57,120 --> 07:02:06,300
It shows the current budget and then the budget requests and the increase or I can pull it in the budget book.

4889
07:02:06,560 --> 07:02:09,260
Yeah, let's let's see it line by line. He wants budget books.

4890
07:02:14,730 --> 07:02:15,850
How are we going to have to go?

4891
07:02:16,650 --> 07:02:18,910
Well, let's ask Chris.

4892
07:02:21,160 --> 07:02:24,340
I mean, you see what direction this conversation is going.

4893
07:02:25,400 --> 07:02:28,600
Do you have any recommendations as a leader of that department?

4894
07:02:28,600 --> 07:02:29,100
Yeah,

4895
07:02:33,640 --> 07:02:39,280
we have more CIP left on here, which is the cypress lakes boardwalk. And so that's a very good. We got rid of that

4896
07:02:40,400 --> 07:02:46,180
So the three that are the two that you're talking about were in addition to because we got rid of cypress lakes boardwalk

4897
07:02:46,180 --> 07:02:49,260
Pex sake. Okay. The one that you had just said

4898
07:02:49,260 --> 07:02:54,000
The phone ramp is still there to see it and what was the last one?

4899
07:02:55,880 --> 07:02:59,580
No, we got rid of Pex sake. We got rid of cypress lakes boardwalk

4900
07:03:05,400 --> 07:03:15,420
We can push it, we can just continue to maintain what's out there, we're patching, yeah, when there's 50, right?

4901
07:03:16,360 --> 07:03:21,180
If there's something that can't be done, we ask for assistance with DPW whatever if it's asphalt or whatnot.

4902
07:03:21,360 --> 07:03:25,700
So we can continue to try our best to maintain it and keep it as functional.

4903
07:03:25,700 --> 07:03:27,920
Make sure to call on the road and make public works take it over.

4904
07:03:28,360 --> 07:03:29,640
I mean, it'll be to go ramp road.

4905
07:03:30,600 --> 07:03:31,040
Okay.

4906
07:03:31,440 --> 07:03:32,820
That's a one time expats again.

4907
07:03:33,360 --> 07:03:33,640
Yeah.

4908
07:03:33,880 --> 07:03:35,040
That's what we do every year.

4909
07:03:35,340 --> 07:03:35,520
Yes.

4910
07:03:35,860 --> 07:03:36,060
Yeah.

4911
07:03:36,540 --> 07:03:39,500
And that's the old proverbial kick in the can, right?

4912
07:03:39,860 --> 07:03:40,040
Yeah.

4913
07:03:40,260 --> 07:03:44,540
So if you remove all my CFP's issue, you're pretty much saying the same as last year.

4914
07:03:45,100 --> 07:03:45,260
All right.

4915
07:03:45,940 --> 07:03:47,340
Aaron, I have a question for you.

4916
07:03:48,360 --> 07:03:49,440
Economic development reserves.

4917
07:03:50,280 --> 07:03:50,760
Don't we?

4918
07:03:51,900 --> 07:03:52,640
What about them?

4919
07:03:52,880 --> 07:03:54,260
Don't we have some extra money?

4920
07:03:54,260 --> 07:03:56,400
I mean, we have so much money in equilibrium going.

4921
07:03:56,620 --> 07:03:59,720
Wait, before we go there, I know you're trying to sneak away.

4922
07:03:59,940 --> 07:04:02,420
That was good, but I'm trying to keep going.

4923
07:04:02,560 --> 07:04:05,100
What is there anything else anybody wants to talk about

4924
07:04:05,100 --> 07:04:06,340
with natural resources?

4925
07:04:06,720 --> 07:04:10,160
We get, so that puts us at $8.25 with reserves, that's $9.77.

4926
07:04:10,980 --> 07:04:13,320
If you have reserves on that, I think you do, right?

4927
07:04:13,740 --> 07:04:13,800
Yeah.

4928
07:04:15,040 --> 07:04:19,020
18.5% of $8.25 would be, it would be $9.77.

4929
07:04:19,520 --> 07:04:21,960
Yeah, the reserves, $10,000 for that, right?

4930
07:04:25,020 --> 07:04:29,040
It's just cutting to get back to roll

4931
07:04:31,190 --> 07:04:35,670
back. You're fine. It's then talking about moving the funds for the library.

4932
07:04:36,430 --> 07:04:38,070
That would be a problem if you're cutting.

4933
07:04:40,190 --> 07:04:43,310
Well, if you're cutting an ECIP projects.

4934
07:04:44,650 --> 07:04:50,890
This year reducing the revenue altogether, which is fine. But if you move money from the CIP projects over to library.

4935
07:04:51,510 --> 07:04:56,910
And it's going from capital to an operating, you're actually going to add reserves because

4936
07:04:56,910 --> 07:04:59,890
is yet last year you all decided capital would not be included.

4937
07:05:00,760 --> 07:05:30,160
Okay. So we need to cut something not in a capital. We're going to try to get within striking distance, and then we'll figure it out from there. So, to your point, the 1.7 that we're trying to make up does that include the library being open or not. So really that. That's just to get to roll back. That's what 2.1 million. Okay. Okay. Any other questions on that to resources? Well, yeah, you can. I mean,

4938
07:05:30,160 --> 07:05:49,260
We haven't touched the operating and it's not necessary, and I know it's unfortunate, and I know that we think it's very important, but at the same time, it's something we can revisit after we look at other stuff, because we already cut their capital, so we can look at other departments and come back to it, but it's a default where you can go and cut that because it's not mandated.

4939
07:05:49,880 --> 07:05:54,560
okay let's have let's have a recommendation if you have a recommendation we

4940
07:05:54,560 --> 07:05:59,540
can hear mark a number not saying we're gonna cut it so just know that it

4941
07:05:59,540 --> 07:06:03,640
would possibly be on the cut so don't say anything that you can't afford to

4942
07:06:03,640 --> 07:06:09,920
lose what do you what do you have that you could do you have anything you potentially

4943
07:06:09,920 --> 07:06:19,490
cut do you have the line items so you do you want to keep this on the screen and

4944
07:06:19,490 --> 07:06:24,710
how do you put line items on another computer so they can see their line items or do you all want to see the line items?

4945
07:06:24,710 --> 07:06:26,330
I think we've always wanted to see them too.

4946
07:06:26,430 --> 07:06:26,650
Okay.

4947
07:06:26,970 --> 07:06:27,910
I mean, we have them but

4948
07:06:30,090 --> 07:06:35,010
Carla, when you're getting that, you have a $100,000 increase in your professional services.

4949
07:06:35,730 --> 07:06:37,430
Do you remember what that's for?

4950
07:06:49,140 --> 07:06:55,280
That was for, so I have my cyberslates boardwalk is under my professional services line item.

4951
07:06:55,940 --> 07:06:56,680
Do you want me to do that?

4952
07:06:57,360 --> 07:07:00,300
Well, that's the one that we have to actually put in.

4953
07:07:00,300 --> 07:07:05,340
Right. So that's what was in that. So that will go away.

4954
07:07:05,420 --> 07:07:08,080
Okay. Make sure to catch that with one of those content.

4955
07:07:08,660 --> 07:07:10,380
Can we take out one of these?

4956
07:07:13,310 --> 07:07:13,650
I don't know.

4957
07:07:14,250 --> 07:07:14,650
Looking

4958
07:07:37,500 --> 07:07:38,560
for a specific number?

4959
07:07:38,860 --> 07:07:40,900
So professional and service is, again, like I said,

4960
07:07:41,200 --> 07:07:44,620
the type of support offer is in that. So that will drop once we take that out.

4961
07:07:47,480 --> 07:07:51,440
So if we're looking at any other one that's increased dramatically.

4962
07:07:59,030 --> 07:08:01,590
I mean, repair maintenance is 40% that went up $10,000.

4963
07:08:01,590 --> 07:08:06,730
again, that's to address any kind of issues we have with our boats, vessel any kind of equipment

4964
07:08:06,730 --> 07:08:12,690
that we have, we have a lot of equipment, kind of specialized equipment. So we just bumped

4965
07:08:12,690 --> 07:08:16,690
that up because, you know, they're getting older and we wouldn't make sure if we get into a pickle

4966
07:08:16,690 --> 07:08:23,630
with any kind of motors going down or anything that we could cover that. So can I do one thing,

4967
07:08:23,810 --> 07:08:26,990
what, the last she's going to do that? Can you read some of this real quick? I just want to

4968
07:08:26,990 --> 07:08:28,610
to understand some of the things that they're doing.

4969
07:08:28,710 --> 07:08:31,630
This is from their list of that they might just call you.

4970
07:08:31,790 --> 07:08:32,810
Yep, you're on a microphone, Chris.

4971
07:08:32,810 --> 07:08:33,630
Is through that a little bit.

4972
07:08:33,690 --> 07:08:36,010
Yeah, so I guess in regards to waterways

4973
07:08:36,010 --> 07:08:38,070
and potentially disfaining that division,

4974
07:08:38,230 --> 07:08:39,270
that's part of now to resources.

4975
07:08:39,510 --> 07:08:41,130
So what waterways does is essentially,

4976
07:08:41,250 --> 07:08:44,090
we keep all of your navigable waters functioning correctly.

4977
07:08:44,470 --> 07:08:45,870
There's any kind of blockage out there.

4978
07:08:46,190 --> 07:08:47,650
Where the department that responds.

4979
07:08:49,250 --> 07:08:50,810
So making that go away.

4980
07:08:51,150 --> 07:08:52,490
So now when you have trees down in the Wiki,

4981
07:08:52,570 --> 07:08:54,030
Washington River, they're going to stay down.

4982
07:08:55,150 --> 07:08:58,590
The Sheriff's Department, FWC, will not respond to removing any of that.

4983
07:08:58,950 --> 07:09:04,130
So, it's going to be whoever lives on the river can do it or contracting it out.

4984
07:09:04,690 --> 07:09:10,150
All the A-tons, the ACE and navigations out in our channels in our Gulf of America, all

4985
07:09:10,150 --> 07:09:10,330
that.

4986
07:09:10,450 --> 07:09:13,090
If that goes down, it's essentially our department that handles that.

4987
07:09:13,230 --> 07:09:17,710
So, if you look at Citrus and Paso County now, they still have a ton of their markers

4988
07:09:17,710 --> 07:09:20,950
down since Helene because they contract them out.

4989
07:09:20,950 --> 07:09:26,690
And so I actually asked them if I could have copies of their contract this year and I pulled our numbers

4990
07:09:27,230 --> 07:09:30,690
So for us to remove a repair assign one piling

4991
07:09:31,310 --> 07:09:32,850
With a sign is about

4992
07:09:33,670 --> 07:09:38,590
$770 that's with four staff to vote and the equipment to do it

4993
07:09:39,970 --> 07:09:41,990
Citrus County right now is around

4994
07:09:43,750 --> 07:09:49,030
$2,700 for just one and then Pasco is around that to

4995
07:09:49,030 --> 07:09:55,990
27 to 3000. So that's what you would have to essentially budget to replace those signs if you haven't go down again.

4996
07:09:57,010 --> 07:09:59,890
So I just kind of want to put that out as well. Huge cross-saving.

4997
07:10:00,590 --> 07:10:29,550
If, you know, navigation of your waterways is important, that's the role that this part of the department feels. So, just kind of a heads up of what we've done since July of 2025. So we have replaced 64 signs. And again, if you're going to do the contracted number, you can see how much that would cost the county. That included 22 pilings. And we installed two buoys this year because of the type of state. We've done 34 calls with notifications for public received and reviewed.

4998
07:10:29,550 --> 07:10:34,910
The average response time at resolution for our staff is two hours.

4999
07:10:35,530 --> 07:10:40,270
The max time is 36 hours depending on the weather and conditions, because again, we can't put staff into

5000
07:10:40,270 --> 07:10:42,670
Inclimate weather if we need to go out to do stuff.

5001
07:10:43,330 --> 07:10:49,810
15 waterways blockages were resolved on the wiki, the mud, the hb canals, and including Jenkins Creek.

5002
07:10:50,810 --> 07:10:53,670
We harvest when we have water levels available.

5003
07:10:53,990 --> 07:10:55,630
I know that's been a point of attention.

5004
07:10:55,630 --> 07:11:01,510
And once we get water levels back, we will be doing that, but we do harvest when we have the availability.

5005
07:11:02,170 --> 07:11:06,910
We maintain all fresh water and salt water boot ramps that are county accessible.

5006
07:11:07,530 --> 07:11:14,150
So that's your noon of each, Jenkins, Linda Patterson, Rogers, Bayport, and then all of our fresh water lakes,

5007
07:11:14,150 --> 07:11:16,810
including Mountain, Bister, Hunters.

5008
07:11:19,570 --> 07:11:24,150
So we also have other things that we do that you may not be aware of.

5009
07:11:24,150 --> 07:11:29,270
So, we do water sampling and data collection for IFIS, and that's to assist them because

5010
07:11:29,270 --> 07:11:33,690
we have the vessels that can do that, we do reef monitoring, we do repairs to our peers

5011
07:11:33,690 --> 07:11:34,990
of floating docks and gangways.

5012
07:11:36,630 --> 07:11:45,530
My staff now, since we've combined the departments, the waterway signatures have a lot of experience.

5013
07:11:45,990 --> 07:11:50,710
The majority of them are wild land firefighter certified, if we have EMTs, we have a fire

5014
07:11:50,710 --> 07:11:51,570
rescue that we're there.

5015
07:11:52,070 --> 07:11:56,910
So, they bring a lot to the table and so now we have the ability to pull them in to assist

5016
07:11:56,910 --> 07:12:03,730
with our county preserves as well in regards to tree work doing our fire line maintenance

5017
07:12:03,730 --> 07:12:07,450
because if we do have a wildfire in our preserves, we want to make sure that it doesn't traverse

5018
07:12:07,450 --> 07:12:08,370
into other properties.

5019
07:12:08,990 --> 07:12:09,890
So, they assist with that.

5020
07:12:10,210 --> 07:12:15,070
We do coordination efforts with FWC and DEP, right now we have activities with both of them

5021
07:12:15,070 --> 07:12:19,530
on Jenkins Creek, the river, and we can watch the river Lake Lindsay and Hunter's Lake.

5022
07:12:19,530 --> 07:12:23,570
Again, we do channel marker inspections and replacements as needed.

5023
07:12:24,490 --> 07:12:29,250
We are assisting parts of our men as we can, we're doing the relocation of the floating

5024
07:12:29,250 --> 07:12:33,530
dock that's at Linda Patterson, kind of a coordinated effort in regards to that project.

5025
07:12:34,550 --> 07:12:39,710
And we also do the majority of our own maintenance on all of our vessels and our equipment because

5026
07:12:39,710 --> 07:12:40,370
they are specialized.

5027
07:12:41,090 --> 07:12:49,070
So just a little bit of what the waterway staff and division does, just to show you the

5028
07:12:49,070 --> 07:12:52,350
the need and what we provide to the county in this one.

5029
07:12:52,430 --> 07:12:53,590
Thank you, Commissioner Oca.

5030
07:12:53,990 --> 07:12:54,730
Just curious.

5031
07:12:55,110 --> 07:12:59,370
Again, we're on a fishing expedition in waterways.

5032
07:13:00,410 --> 07:13:03,250
You have maintenance tax and then you have a maintenance

5033
07:13:03,250 --> 07:13:08,550
tech harvester, so there's a three in a one.

5034
07:13:08,770 --> 07:13:11,410
And so I'm just, help me understand what the,

5035
07:13:11,570 --> 07:13:14,630
and don't even know, I'm sorry, I know who you are,

5036
07:13:14,850 --> 07:13:16,650
whatever, you know, it's not, I just want to understand.

5037
07:13:16,650 --> 07:13:18,490
and they said, if we're not harvesting, like you said,

5038
07:13:18,890 --> 07:13:20,690
would that mean it's tech doing this?

5039
07:13:20,790 --> 07:13:21,490
What could be the harvesting?

5040
07:13:21,830 --> 07:13:24,550
Right, so that position was acquired

5041
07:13:24,550 --> 07:13:26,010
when we got the harvest here

5042
07:13:26,010 --> 07:13:28,830
because we were hopeful that we would have

5043
07:13:28,830 --> 07:13:31,410
somebody on that boat a lot more than we do.

5044
07:13:31,870 --> 07:13:35,350
And so that person is on there as best we can

5045
07:13:35,350 --> 07:13:36,510
when you know what else there.

5046
07:13:36,610 --> 07:13:38,870
But now they are just essentially assimilated

5047
07:13:38,870 --> 07:13:40,250
in their another technician.

5048
07:13:40,610 --> 07:13:41,930
So when we take boats out,

5049
07:13:42,050 --> 07:13:45,150
we have to have two on for safety purposes on each vessel.

5050
07:13:45,150 --> 07:13:53,350
So that person is helping us when we need waterways cleared or if we have true work in our reserve.

5051
07:13:53,610 --> 07:13:56,550
So they do the job of the waterways technician.

5052
07:13:56,990 --> 07:13:58,170
Follow-up, yes, sir.

5053
07:13:58,330 --> 07:14:03,230
I'm just when I'm looking at it in here, it almost seems like it shouldn't be the position that it is that.

5054
07:14:03,610 --> 07:14:09,930
It almost seems like it should be two maintenance techs versus the maintenance tech listed with the harvester.

5055
07:14:10,470 --> 07:14:11,370
Does that make sense?

5056
07:14:12,130 --> 07:14:15,990
It was probably the title that was given during the time we acquired it.

5057
07:14:15,990 --> 07:14:16,410
I get it.

5058
07:14:16,630 --> 07:14:21,130
But over time it's changed, but it's still in our budget.

5059
07:14:21,290 --> 07:14:23,310
But the title is just the title of the Act.

5060
07:14:23,770 --> 07:14:28,610
But if you look at the job responsibilities for that person, it's the same as the water

5061
07:14:28,610 --> 07:14:29,130
with signation.

5062
07:14:30,050 --> 07:14:34,790
And I think they added that to it so we could justify why we were getting that extra position

5063
07:14:34,790 --> 07:14:37,830
because, again, our hope was that we would have somebody on that boat.

5064
07:14:38,490 --> 07:14:39,810
May I follow up again, sir?

5065
07:14:39,810 --> 07:14:52,370
My concern is, and I'm understanding what you're saying, but the other situation here is that it's kind of like, you know, fire services, they have to have a certain number of people is what you're telling me right to do to do a certain task.

5066
07:14:53,710 --> 07:14:57,290
So, odd numbers wouldn't work in this position, is that what I'm hearing?

5067
07:14:57,950 --> 07:14:59,450
So, if we had the ability.

5068
07:14:59,450 --> 07:14:59,950
You said you have to.

5069
07:15:00,000 --> 07:15:29,120
We have two on a boat if they're going to ever go on a boat. Except for the harvesting vessel, you can only fit one person out on there, but we have somebody on shore at all times to make sure in case they have some kind of health issue or they fall off or whatever that it's, again, a safety. What do they do? Swim to them. I mean, no, there's a problem. Just try not to say. You have somebody on shore. Yeah, another pair of somebody there, you have somebody who's in that vicinity in case you have an issue on the boat. When you're harvesting, you're not miles out into water.

5070
07:15:29,120 --> 07:15:33,160
So you're always on these fresh water lakes. You have a visual sight line at them at all times

5071
07:15:33,160 --> 07:15:37,680
So and then basically regardless we need two people whenever they're doing anything

5072
07:15:38,060 --> 07:15:42,640
For the harvesting. Yeah, there's one on the bit and we have one on short and they're on a boat doing another thing

5073
07:15:42,640 --> 07:15:45,520
You still have to have to yes because you have to have a captain and one on the boat

5074
07:15:45,520 --> 07:15:50,600
So back to what I was saying so we have to have them in pairs basically. Yes for safety. Okay, so

5075
07:15:51,660 --> 07:15:58,200
You know, I say so so I'm just again, I know it's a title. It just makes more sense to me if they were

5076
07:15:58,200 --> 07:16:01,780
four of them and we knew that they have to work in pairs to do their job.

5077
07:16:01,780 --> 07:16:05,860
We have four technicians and we have a supervisor out there so we do we

5078
07:16:05,860 --> 07:16:08,460
pair them up. We have fair enough repairs out there, yes.

5079
07:16:09,080 --> 07:16:12,960
If there wasn't one, the supervisor would be the second person.

5080
07:16:13,200 --> 07:16:18,120
Yeah, or we would have an odd number and the supervisor would assess so whenever

5081
07:16:18,600 --> 07:16:22,040
they're like if somebody called out sick or whatnot, then our supervisor steps in and

5082
07:16:22,040 --> 07:16:25,400
fills in that role. Okay, I get just trying to understand how it works,

5083
07:16:25,400 --> 07:16:27,320
Just trying to understand, we're looking at everything here.

5084
07:16:27,560 --> 07:16:27,640
Sure.

5085
07:16:28,700 --> 07:16:29,280
Thank you.

5086
07:16:30,240 --> 07:16:31,040
Director or champion?

5087
07:16:31,480 --> 07:16:32,060
Just a quick question.

5088
07:16:32,240 --> 07:16:36,780
Where does the boat ramp parking fees, what once you collect it, and do you get any

5089
07:16:36,780 --> 07:16:41,660
portion from the membership, you know, the one where they buy the pass for the year?

5090
07:16:42,200 --> 07:16:42,420
I guess.

5091
07:16:42,660 --> 07:16:42,740
Yeah.

5092
07:16:43,100 --> 07:16:44,600
So that's Parks and Recreation.

5093
07:16:44,720 --> 07:16:45,940
That wouldn't be under natural resources.

5094
07:16:46,280 --> 07:16:47,100
Parks and Recreation.

5095
07:16:47,460 --> 07:16:52,020
It's a revenue source for Parks and Recreation, it's a park mobile where the daily fees come

5096
07:16:52,020 --> 07:16:57,120
in, goes to our revenue, with the annual fees coming in that goes to us, any enforcement

5097
07:16:57,120 --> 07:17:01,740
efforts actually get paid to code enforcement as a revenue. So if they write parking tickets

5098
07:17:01,740 --> 07:17:05,420
for anybody, it goes to the Department of Code Enforcement because they run the special

5099
07:17:05,420 --> 07:17:10,060
magistrate program where you can appeal and contest, so that's where that revenue source

5100
07:17:10,060 --> 07:17:10,220
goes.

5101
07:17:10,220 --> 07:17:16,180
So you probably should have had this department under your department then if we're collecting fee because I mean they are there aren't they aren't

5102
07:17:16,180 --> 07:17:17,780
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's actually

5103
07:17:17,780 --> 07:17:21,320
Park is ready to raise fees on the boat parking

5104
07:17:21,320 --> 07:17:27,560
Told that reason to bring in revenue, you know for that they're on the post to I mean it needs to be right

5105
07:17:27,560 --> 07:17:29,640
Right size because you know, not everybody is about

5106
07:17:30,800 --> 07:17:34,360
There's so many week we talked about that for yeah, so that's another option to down the road

5107
07:17:36,040 --> 07:17:38,460
Raise the fees yeah, and we talked about that

5108
07:17:41,690 --> 07:17:42,690
All right, thank you.

5109
07:17:43,050 --> 07:17:44,230
All right.

5110
07:17:44,430 --> 07:17:44,770
One.

5111
07:17:45,050 --> 07:17:45,870
Commissioner Anzer.

5112
07:17:46,290 --> 07:17:46,970
Let's go up.

5113
07:17:48,030 --> 07:17:53,130
Did we look at 560, 6301?

5114
07:17:53,470 --> 07:17:57,230
So it looks like improvement greater than 10,000.

5115
07:17:58,980 --> 07:18:00,640
And if we only look at that.

5116
07:18:02,140 --> 07:18:02,820
560.

5117
07:18:06,360 --> 07:18:08,720
It's 6301.

5118
07:18:09,540 --> 07:18:09,880
6301.

5119
07:18:10,220 --> 07:18:12,280
Yeah, that's 6301.

5120
07:18:12,500 --> 07:18:13,000
I can't say that.

5121
07:18:13,000 --> 07:18:14,920
Yeah, that's the project.

5122
07:18:15,180 --> 07:18:16,920
It's going to be the project that you just

5123
07:18:16,920 --> 07:18:17,620
got.

5124
07:18:18,000 --> 07:18:19,080
That was going.

5125
07:18:19,720 --> 07:18:21,780
And then I had just one other question

5126
07:18:21,780 --> 07:18:22,440
if I may.

5127
07:18:22,620 --> 07:18:22,860
Yes, sir.

5128
07:18:25,200 --> 07:18:27,260
Did we look at professional services already?

5129
07:18:28,320 --> 07:18:28,900
That's the other project.

5130
07:18:29,600 --> 07:18:29,840
Okay.

5131
07:18:31,820 --> 07:18:32,860
Thank you, sir.

5132
07:18:33,520 --> 07:18:34,120
And Sherry Rogers.

5133
07:18:35,120 --> 07:18:36,280
Oh, I think.

5134
07:18:36,520 --> 07:18:37,340
Oh, that's a question.

5135
07:18:37,440 --> 07:18:38,620
I mean, there's no savings.

5136
07:18:38,620 --> 07:18:39,480
I mean, I have the preserves.

5137
07:18:39,480 --> 07:18:41,100
I know that we maintain them and everything.

5138
07:18:44,040 --> 07:18:45,560
Plants and then the fire lines.

5139
07:18:45,560 --> 07:18:46,760
I know that we do a lot of that.

5140
07:18:48,060 --> 07:18:50,460
They are accessible to all the citizens currently.

5141
07:18:51,380 --> 07:18:53,860
By the before, whether they all have to be accessible

5142
07:18:53,860 --> 07:18:56,160
or not has any rules, but I'm just trying

5143
07:18:56,160 --> 07:18:57,300
to save you a lot of your work.

5144
07:18:57,440 --> 07:18:58,580
I didn't know if you could get whatever person

5145
07:18:58,580 --> 07:18:59,920
by not having them open to the public.

5146
07:19:00,460 --> 07:19:01,780
I know that's a level of service change,

5147
07:19:01,920 --> 07:19:03,640
but we've asked about that before.

5148
07:19:03,780 --> 07:19:04,880
I don't know what your thoughts are on that,

5149
07:19:04,900 --> 07:19:06,620
but I know your thoughts, they should be open,

5150
07:19:07,140 --> 07:19:09,060
but my thoughts is I was trying to say money.

5151
07:19:09,180 --> 07:19:10,460
What if they just won't open,

5152
07:19:10,580 --> 07:19:12,920
but they were just preserved for the conservation, you know?

5153
07:19:12,920 --> 07:19:18,400
But some of them have management plans too that we are okay. I think the citizens bottom that way right

5154
07:19:18,400 --> 07:19:19,800
VSL money a bottom and

5155
07:19:19,800 --> 07:19:24,340
We'll be open. Yeah, I remember the conversation. It was all new since plans. We have to handle

5156
07:19:25,160 --> 07:19:28,380
They brought that up when we were at we were doing all the trail heads and everything I was like

5157
07:19:28,380 --> 07:19:30,260
What if we just didn't do all the trail heads in this thing?

5158
07:19:30,540 --> 07:19:37,040
We've been trying to fix it. I remember now you can't do it. Yeah, because the citizens bottom is ESL money

5159
07:19:37,040 --> 07:19:42,680
And they said they have right access to them. So that's right. Yeah, all right. So one final question for me and then

5160
07:19:42,920 --> 07:19:49,080
I'll seek directions from the board on this particular line item and then we'll move to the next one

5161
07:19:49,780 --> 07:19:51,820
Did we add the

5162
07:19:52,440 --> 07:19:59,200
Environmental Land Technician last year yes, that would be a potential opportunity

5163
07:20:14,610 --> 07:20:29,870
So, I mean, we have almost 1200 acres of reserves for one person. It was becoming a lot. We were having a lot of issues in regards to maintenance for that. This second person that we brought has been essentially a rock star. And so we've

5164
07:20:30,690 --> 07:20:37,250
been able to do a lot of maintenance in our reserves with TVble. Can I? We would just go back

5165
07:20:37,250 --> 07:20:42,110
to the way it was and potentially we would not be maintaining them quite as well as we are right now.

5166
07:20:43,310 --> 07:20:50,330
And that's it and I'll just say this we've all said it and hopefully you guys understand this.

5167
07:20:50,810 --> 07:20:54,930
They're all rock stars. They're all they are. All of my stuff are yes.

5168
07:20:54,930 --> 07:21:05,030
And we don't want to cut anybody, but we have cuts that are required today, you know,

5169
07:21:05,720 --> 07:21:09,370
because that's the direction we're headed.

5170
07:21:10,850 --> 07:21:16,690
And if this passes in November, you know this is going to be, you know.

5171
07:21:16,930 --> 07:21:22,270
I would definitely rather find something within one of my line items to remove enough money to save a personnel.

5172
07:21:22,270 --> 07:21:28,710
Okay. Absolutely. Okay. You want to work on that? Do you want to work on that? I can do that. I mean the contract

5173
07:21:28,710 --> 07:21:35,570
of services I can take on it. I can take a hit in order to keep a person in that one. I'm completely fine with that. How much? How much can we take?

5174
07:21:38,470 --> 07:21:45,650
Yeah, so I have 300 in there right now. I mean to cover personnel talking

5175
07:21:49,520 --> 07:21:49,800
about

5176
07:21:51,200 --> 07:21:51,920
salary benefits.

5177
07:21:51,920 --> 07:21:56,360
It's so the environmental lane's technician.

5178
07:21:56,540 --> 07:21:58,260
She's got what you're talking to?

5179
07:21:58,500 --> 07:21:58,920
Yeah, a technician.

5180
07:21:59,300 --> 07:22:00,840
Yeah, okay, that's what I heard about.

5181
07:22:00,900 --> 07:22:02,300
Yeah, that's a big one where we're doing fires.

5182
07:22:02,420 --> 07:22:03,500
No, you're talking about it.

5183
07:22:03,860 --> 07:22:05,160
What would you say that would need that?

5184
07:22:06,160 --> 07:22:06,840
85,000.

5185
07:22:06,960 --> 07:22:07,120
85.

5186
07:22:07,620 --> 07:22:07,720
Yeah?

5187
07:22:08,220 --> 07:22:08,980
Oh, what is it?

5188
07:22:10,280 --> 07:22:11,060
Yeah, sure.

5189
07:22:11,320 --> 07:22:14,360
So vapor restoration plantings I can take that off

5190
07:22:14,360 --> 07:22:16,960
and invasive plant management.

5191
07:22:17,200 --> 07:22:19,780
So that way there's 100,000 that I can take off

5192
07:22:19,780 --> 07:22:21,300
but contract to services in order to.

5193
07:22:21,740 --> 07:22:22,860
Okay, thank you.

5194
07:22:23,640 --> 07:22:24,940
Okay, you guys good with that?

5195
07:22:25,200 --> 07:22:25,620
Well, we have to.

5196
07:22:26,360 --> 07:22:28,120
We're up to 925.

5197
07:22:28,540 --> 07:22:28,920
What is it?

5198
07:22:29,240 --> 07:22:29,680
925.

5199
07:22:29,900 --> 07:22:31,900
925 without without preserver, yes.

5200
07:22:32,540 --> 07:22:33,280
900 to go.

5201
07:22:33,640 --> 07:22:34,420
Thank you, guys.

5202
07:22:34,700 --> 07:22:34,960
Thank you.

5203
07:22:35,300 --> 07:22:38,680
And I bring up one thing from my experience in this again.

5204
07:22:39,040 --> 07:22:39,600
Yes, sir.

5205
07:22:40,240 --> 07:22:41,520
And when Aaron's figuring out the number

5206
07:22:41,520 --> 07:22:43,580
because I'm talking about how this is working.

5207
07:22:44,780 --> 07:22:49,740
Between here and September, a lot of things

5208
07:22:49,740 --> 07:22:57,180
change. And so what happens a lot of times is the state really sharing numbers come in.

5209
07:22:57,520 --> 07:23:05,200
We get advances on juvenile justice thing, always changes every year. And so we anticipate

5210
07:23:05,200 --> 07:23:08,720
normally by the time I get to September, I have a sheet that says here's all the changes

5211
07:23:08,720 --> 07:23:15,040
right. And normally it's increased. Just sometimes if something's a decrease, I'm just saying

5212
07:23:15,040 --> 07:23:22,000
that you're going to have to do more because we know what we think we know already today is coming

5213
07:23:22,000 --> 07:23:25,920
because the deadlines and things that are coming in and we get notified I know I didn't

5214
07:23:25,920 --> 07:23:30,360
know if I yesterday about something in those services there that's increasing. Medicaid.

5215
07:23:31,600 --> 07:23:36,360
What do you know it's coming already? Well no I know Vita had mentioned that I believe the

5216
07:23:36,360 --> 07:23:41,340
Medicaid share is going to increase. I have reached out regarding the medical examiner to get their

5217
07:23:41,340 --> 07:23:45,500
final budget. They said it's still not quite final yet. So the number that's in there is the number

5218
07:23:45,500 --> 07:23:51,260
from this year. I imagine that will go up. We are still waiting for the state to come out with

5219
07:23:51,260 --> 07:23:56,520
their revenue sharing estimates. Obviously, we always hope that's more than the previous year,

5220
07:23:56,840 --> 07:24:02,360
but there's no guarantee. And then there will just be little things that come in like maybe a new

5221
07:24:03,500 --> 07:24:09,700
registration. They updated like golf consortium cost more or some other type of membership that

5222
07:24:09,700 --> 07:24:14,600
we have to be a part of. So right now the list is short, but I'm sure before September

5223
07:24:14,600 --> 07:24:15,800
there will be more on there.

5224
07:24:17,380 --> 07:24:20,980
Yes, there'll be an exhibit in September of all of those things that have changed.

5225
07:24:21,000 --> 07:24:21,800
It's a requirement.

5226
07:24:22,140 --> 07:24:22,540
Understood.

5227
07:24:23,160 --> 07:24:23,180
Good.

5228
07:24:23,360 --> 07:24:24,080
Commit your champion.

5229
07:24:24,460 --> 07:24:26,080
I've got another department that I want to look at.

5230
07:24:26,260 --> 07:24:28,160
And I know it's been sensitive before in Scott.

5231
07:24:28,160 --> 07:24:28,980
Forgive me.

5232
07:24:29,120 --> 07:24:32,520
I think you do a great job of mass transit, which required was not.

5233
07:24:34,200 --> 07:24:34,600
Okay.

5234
07:24:34,780 --> 07:24:36,540
If you'll pull up mass transit, please.

5235
07:24:38,970 --> 07:24:42,830
I know some of it's operating on grants and center of it, I don't know where we stand.

5236
07:24:49,240 --> 07:24:51,160
Do you want the book or the line items?

5237
07:24:51,520 --> 07:24:52,180
Of the line item.

5238
07:24:52,420 --> 07:24:52,900
I believe that.

5239
07:24:53,160 --> 07:24:59,400
I'm looking at the recap, so like some of the questions I had, 25 to 26, you had a personnel

5240
07:24:59,400 --> 07:24:59,880
Now, I'll call a strap.

5241
07:25:04,520 --> 07:25:10,800
The budget in general is a large budget. You know, but you got, I don't know where all this is. A lot of this money comes to the state, right, Scott?

5242
07:25:11,060 --> 07:25:21,360
The majority of the money comes to the state. I want to want to talk about your paying for. So is there anything that, is there anything discretionary, anything that we're paying for that could be looked at?

5243
07:25:21,840 --> 07:25:29,480
No, because the majority of the funds we use, there may be some, but the majority of the funds are used to match either the state grants or the federal grants.

5244
07:25:29,960 --> 07:25:35,260
Okay. Now, is it 50-50-50-50-50-75-25?

5245
07:25:35,440 --> 07:25:38,500
Some are 100% grants we get from the state or the feds.

5246
07:25:38,500 --> 07:25:41,360
Obviously, 100% grants and 75% grants will be the priority to keep.

5247
07:25:41,660 --> 07:25:45,340
You know, the 50-50, maybe we look at that and see, I mean, there's large numbers here.

5248
07:25:45,620 --> 07:25:48,000
You know, so I don't know what's required.

5249
07:25:48,000 --> 07:25:56,180
I mean, is there anything we can do here, or is it all, in your opinion, it's just not touchable?

5250
07:25:56,400 --> 07:25:59,400
It's all what we need to do, unless you want to start cutting routes.

5251
07:25:59,840 --> 07:26:03,460
I mean, this mass transit requires, I do not believe we're required to have mass transit.

5252
07:26:03,800 --> 07:26:10,920
We have to have the transportation disadvantage, but that's not part of this budget.

5253
07:26:11,040 --> 07:26:16,600
That's a separate budget. When previous boards went to the citizens and said,

5254
07:26:16,600 --> 07:26:18,500
that we're going to increase your gas taxes.

5255
07:26:18,860 --> 07:26:20,180
They told citizens at that time,

5256
07:26:20,360 --> 07:26:23,600
one set of that gas tax increase would be for mass transit.

5257
07:26:24,920 --> 07:26:26,660
So that's basically where their funds come.

5258
07:26:26,740 --> 07:26:29,320
I think they did have $20,000.

5259
07:26:29,400 --> 07:26:30,580
They got from general fund.

5260
07:26:30,820 --> 07:26:32,600
They cut that in half or we're recommending it,

5261
07:26:32,600 --> 07:26:34,020
be cut in half to 10,000.

5262
07:26:35,060 --> 07:26:36,460
But like I said, the majority of this

5263
07:26:36,460 --> 07:26:38,400
is either gas tax or state or federal funds.

5264
07:26:38,860 --> 07:26:40,780
Okay, so there's like 7.7 million, right?

5265
07:26:41,460 --> 07:26:43,000
So it's a 2027 is what I'm seeing.

5266
07:26:43,140 --> 07:26:43,780
I mean, it's a decrease.

5267
07:26:43,780 --> 07:26:46,360
I don't know if it's been cappal or something there if it went from 11 to 70.

5268
07:26:46,640 --> 07:26:50,300
Yeah, it's a decrease in cappal or operating expenses and sometimes they'll come back

5269
07:26:50,300 --> 07:26:55,640
like I know we're in the process because there's so many of them, I can't remember whether we brought it to the board already or not.

5270
07:26:55,900 --> 07:27:01,500
But somebody, some other area in the state, some other county, some other transit authority didn't spend their money.

5271
07:27:01,800 --> 07:27:06,040
So we're actually able to get some of that to get some of the cappal buses we need.

5272
07:27:06,340 --> 07:27:12,580
So the thing is if we cut something, if we cut what we're getting for either from a match or from the state or the Fed,

5273
07:27:12,580 --> 07:27:14,800
But that money's going to go someplace else to Florida.

5274
07:27:15,100 --> 07:27:17,380
This is money we've either set to Tallahassee or DC.

5275
07:27:18,020 --> 07:27:20,700
And I think we should do the best to keep it coming back to our citizens here in

5276
07:27:20,700 --> 07:27:20,920
Hernandez.

5277
07:27:21,120 --> 07:27:22,180
And I'm with you on that.

5278
07:27:22,340 --> 07:27:24,580
I mean, I want to get as much our money back as possible.

5279
07:27:24,580 --> 07:27:25,800
We're just looking at everything.

5280
07:27:25,940 --> 07:27:30,720
So when I look at the reserves on that, it says budget reserves, $735,000, it's mostly grants and stuff.

5281
07:27:30,940 --> 07:27:35,120
Why do we need reserves there if the money's coming from the state and stuff?

5282
07:27:36,600 --> 07:27:38,360
I'm not sure I could answer that question.

5283
07:27:38,540 --> 07:27:39,460
I would defer to that.

5284
07:27:39,480 --> 07:27:40,120
Is that something you could answer?

5285
07:27:40,120 --> 07:27:45,620
I mean I don't I don't see why that would be necessary. I guess you would need to still operate away with not taxes, right?

5286
07:27:45,820 --> 07:27:49,820
I mean, I guess I would be there. Part of what's in there is also

5287
07:27:50,360 --> 07:27:54,900
You have mass transit and I believe that's the MPO together.

5288
07:27:56,620 --> 07:27:57,120
So

5289
07:27:57,120 --> 07:28:02,900
Yeah, so it's mass transit in the MPO so the MPO has the reserves of

5290
07:28:03,400 --> 07:28:05,780
Yeah, it's really

5291
07:28:10,120 --> 07:28:10,600
It could be.

5292
07:28:10,920 --> 07:28:11,740
We have to put on the agenda.

5293
07:28:11,740 --> 07:28:15,300
It should be written or passed transit like a few paragraphs down.

5294
07:28:15,660 --> 07:28:19,360
The only thing transit has that's local money is $20,000.

5295
07:28:19,980 --> 07:28:21,520
Yeah, the rest of it is gas tax, right?

5296
07:28:21,820 --> 07:28:25,880
I thought mentioned earlier about if we can reduce some bus routes and we're looking at that

5297
07:28:25,880 --> 07:28:29,400
to bring it back to the board for a view of the bus routes we have.

5298
07:28:29,440 --> 07:28:32,100
We've added some more and we'll see if they're efficient or not and they have to board the

5299
07:28:32,100 --> 07:28:32,780
side that they want.

5300
07:28:33,340 --> 07:28:36,980
And you might be able to say, well, I mentioned my presentation that said it's about $150,000.

5301
07:28:36,980 --> 07:28:44,500
I'm looking at trying to bring back potentially but it's gas tax and so I could we can change ordinance to be able to get it out of mass transit

5302
07:28:44,500 --> 07:28:49,760
The possible to put it but they all get only really go into well-resurfing or if we can get the roll back

5303
07:28:49,760 --> 07:28:53,040
We're less than two million dollars a cut. What are we going to do when we got a cut?

5304
07:28:53,280 --> 07:28:54,940
We're going to get their heads of millions. It's just good

5305
07:28:54,940 --> 07:28:58,840
But what happens when next guy be cut? What's going to happen here? We cut and hold the part of it.

5306
07:28:58,860 --> 07:29:03,740
It's trash, right? I mean it's trash when you're talking about stuff like this or firemen a sense of lands and you're talking about

5307
07:29:03,740 --> 07:29:06,500
I mean you're talking about eye-fist stuff all of that's going to have to go

5308
07:29:06,500 --> 07:29:08,640
No, I think that's good. Like a hundred percent.

5309
07:29:09,660 --> 07:29:13,880
No, I mean, so like this shouldn't be that difficult to get the roll back here.

5310
07:29:14,140 --> 07:29:18,640
It really shouldn't. Well, we're working. Uh, Ms. Brady. Oh, I like going out.

5311
07:29:19,160 --> 07:29:23,760
Yeah, it was the $20,000. All right. Uh, so there's $20,000 there.

5312
07:29:24,400 --> 07:29:28,800
Yes, they went from $10,000 last year to $20,000 this year. So that's usually just

5313
07:29:28,800 --> 07:29:33,860
an alien, something that the grant won't cover between the federal and state.

5314
07:29:34,300 --> 07:29:39,080
You all got it to 10,000. My statement amount is last year. You got it? You guys good?

5315
07:29:39,540 --> 07:29:43,120
Okay, I have the 7.7 million is only $10,000. I was going to use that's it.

5316
07:29:43,200 --> 07:29:45,120
But that's not because generally it's a hundred hundred hundred hundred hundred hundred.

5317
07:29:45,480 --> 07:29:45,600
Generally, yes.

5318
07:29:45,600 --> 07:29:46,360
General for money. Right.

5319
07:29:47,000 --> 07:29:47,220
No, no, no.

5320
07:29:47,340 --> 07:29:48,200
His gas tax is the rest.

5321
07:29:48,460 --> 07:29:50,380
Yes. Okay. All right. That's fine. Thank you.

5322
07:29:50,420 --> 07:29:52,180
All right. So we're going to cut it in.

5323
07:29:52,460 --> 07:29:55,120
Okay. Ladies have that. Thank you.

5324
07:29:55,700 --> 07:29:56,460
Okay. Watch an axe.

5325
07:29:59,310 --> 07:29:59,970
What do you guys want to look at?

5326
07:30:03,840 --> 07:30:19,400
I'm going to ask a question, and again, I just want to understand the department. I know they're awesome. They're all awesome. But we have to go through these EM is funded completely through general or where are we getting it all?

5327
07:30:36,460 --> 07:30:49,380
I just want to make sure that so all those partials are all coming from working with our fire in EMS.

5328
07:30:49,380 --> 07:30:50,400
Yes, just point.

5329
07:30:51,520 --> 07:30:51,640
Okay.

5330
07:30:51,700 --> 07:30:52,420
Yes, yes.

5331
07:30:52,580 --> 07:30:53,600
Paul Haas, Fire Department Chief.

5332
07:30:54,160 --> 07:30:54,260
Yes.

5333
07:30:54,480 --> 07:31:00,500
Some of those minor adjustments are for like part of me, part of our logistics manager,

5334
07:31:00,840 --> 07:31:03,580
part of deputy chief, all those types of things.

5335
07:31:04,220 --> 07:31:05,720
No, we double check them every year.

5336
07:31:05,980 --> 07:31:10,340
I just want to make sure because there's a very few full-time FTEs, lots of partials.

5337
07:31:10,800 --> 07:31:10,960
Yes.

5338
07:31:11,380 --> 07:31:11,760
Thank you.

5339
07:31:12,180 --> 07:31:15,740
Yeah, there's a 970,000 in their general fund.

5340
07:31:17,460 --> 07:31:19,620
Thank you, I just want a clarification on it.

5341
07:31:22,430 --> 07:31:22,450
Okay.

5342
07:31:22,710 --> 07:31:28,790
I mean, the board, I mean, I think a lot of, obviously, if there's any position in the county, we don't exist out of you, right?

5343
07:31:29,030 --> 07:31:37,550
So, but if you're available, it's only, you know, they do a lot of stuff going to here, but probably

5344
07:31:40,720 --> 07:31:41,480
less impact there.

5345
07:31:41,780 --> 07:31:45,840
If you have to remove position, less impact there is another part of the county.

5346
07:31:45,840 --> 07:31:54,180
We need 100% I mean I mean for the citizen's sake, but I mean it's going to be you know

5347
07:31:55,280 --> 07:31:59,340
Will be less preferable be less prepared. I can say that that's the only issue. If you want you move there

5348
07:31:59,340 --> 07:32:00,600
No, that's the level of service cut

5349
07:32:01,380 --> 07:32:02,040
You can remove

5350
07:32:04,840 --> 07:32:06,660
Okay watch the ex

5351
07:32:07,580 --> 07:32:08,640
Department you will look at

5352
07:32:21,770 --> 07:32:22,890
I'm sorry Ms.

5353
07:32:23,530 --> 07:32:23,930
Yatta.

5354
07:32:25,250 --> 07:32:32,010
I just know we do have some complaints, she can explain the funding we have for, um,

5355
07:32:33,570 --> 07:32:34,570
but you're doing me.

5356
07:32:47,990 --> 07:32:51,570
Chairman, before she starts going to say something quick, sir, the only thing I wanted to say,

5357
07:32:51,650 --> 07:32:55,870
and we used to do this as a corporate exercise, we used to have, when I worked for a big corporation,

5358
07:32:56,150 --> 07:32:59,690
they would ask the employees, they would say look, I want you to look at,

5359
07:32:59,690 --> 07:33:03,790
Two or three things you can cut and I want you to dig deep and what you're looking say look

5360
07:33:03,790 --> 07:33:07,950
I'm going to volunteer I'm going to be a leader and I'm going to tell you that I can cut this kind of like scot

5361
07:33:07,950 --> 07:33:12,590
Just it would 10,000 like cut it back 10,000 something right so the only thing I would ask the leaders

5362
07:33:12,590 --> 07:33:18,690
Why you're sitting out there and there's something that you could do to help this budget please step forward and tell tell me what you can do

5363
07:33:18,690 --> 07:33:21,690
Yeah, you know, that would be very beneficial for us. Great. Thank you

5364
07:33:24,180 --> 07:33:26,720
All right. Good. Good afternoon, Valencia

5365
07:33:26,720 --> 07:33:33,960
on to the government director, Mr. Champion, just so you know, we did go through that exercise

5366
07:33:33,960 --> 07:33:36,680
with the administrator. So we did do that.

5367
07:33:38,800 --> 07:33:42,540
The, I would say you just wanted to roll through.

5368
07:33:42,820 --> 07:33:48,680
You want to ask questions, you want me to just tell you where I think we might go on that

5369
07:33:48,680 --> 07:33:49,540
with this department.

5370
07:33:49,540 --> 07:33:55,060
We have. What we could potentially cut from your department. We're general fund. Okay. So,

5371
07:33:56,380 --> 07:34:03,240
I would say what we could look at is we have a reserve line item budget reserves that we have

5372
07:34:03,240 --> 07:34:09,740
consistently set aside for a few years. I need to keep my incentive number if you look at

5373
07:34:09,740 --> 07:34:17,580
the economic incentive 1551. We have money budgeted in 27 for incentives that come from the out of

5374
07:34:17,580 --> 07:34:19,880
that law tax is incentives that you've approved, right?

5375
07:34:19,960 --> 07:34:21,980
That money will come from that, but we have to budget it.

5376
07:34:22,380 --> 07:34:23,940
But we do have money in the reserves.

5377
07:34:25,260 --> 07:34:28,420
That money is in there for potential infrastructure projects,

5378
07:34:28,720 --> 07:34:33,060
some other types of things you might want to utilize those funds for

5379
07:34:33,060 --> 07:34:36,600
for an incentive of some sort to try to win a deal.

5380
07:34:36,740 --> 07:34:39,780
I would say that would be the first thing that I would look at.

5381
07:34:41,100 --> 07:34:43,260
In the line, can I continue?

5382
07:34:43,500 --> 07:34:43,760
Keep going.

5383
07:34:44,980 --> 07:34:45,420
We good?

5384
07:34:47,580 --> 07:34:50,040
It's a screen. Are you not? I think you're going to be looking at it.

5385
07:34:54,610 --> 07:34:58,850
You were just talking about one zero one five five one.

5386
07:35:00,110 --> 07:35:06,510
Put the line items up. I can pull it online and detail this one. Does it have numbers on it? Yes, we do. Yeah, that'd be great. All right.

5387
07:35:08,840 --> 07:35:10,740
You know the total and

5388
07:35:13,010 --> 07:35:15,510
the reserve is 438,000.

5389
07:35:19,000 --> 07:35:21,660
So what if we get 200 from that left to 38.

5390
07:35:24,620 --> 07:35:39,480
Thank you. Sorry. It doesn't cut it completely. All right. All right. All right. All your, you know, business incentives are paid for that we've come contracts to pay for it. We have. Yes, we have are in one line on it. We do have that.

5391
07:35:40,440 --> 07:35:47,340
And the reserves we were not planning to use that money unless we needed it for an additional project that might come in, right?

5392
07:35:47,980 --> 07:35:56,060
Previously, we had set aside this came from your idea last year, the Board approved from the TPP, from the tangible property, right?

5393
07:35:56,940 --> 07:35:58,980
So that's where those funds came from.

5394
07:36:01,240 --> 07:36:19,480
Yeah, so we can certainly use some of that and 50% would be acceptable because the money is there, you know, in the event that we needed, I fully believe that if we, if I came to you with some of the great projects that we're working, we would find a way to win that deal.

5395
07:36:20,020 --> 07:36:22,860
Right. But in the meantime, we have to get to this point.

5396
07:36:22,860 --> 07:36:24,480
So we have 200,000 there.

5397
07:36:24,780 --> 07:36:24,900
Yes.

5398
07:36:25,140 --> 07:36:26,080
OK, thank you.

5399
07:36:26,340 --> 07:36:32,320
So within my line items of operating expenses, where are they?

5400
07:36:32,900 --> 07:36:34,220
Can you help me with that, Aaron?

5401
07:36:34,620 --> 07:36:35,880
I don't know much too far.

5402
07:36:38,460 --> 07:36:40,320
Just operating expenses, 1,771.

5403
07:36:40,600 --> 07:36:41,020
For which one?

5404
07:36:41,280 --> 07:36:42,440
For economic development.

5405
07:36:43,020 --> 07:36:44,600
Isn't that so far?

5406
07:36:44,820 --> 07:36:45,700
I think it might be a tour or something.

5407
07:36:46,260 --> 07:36:46,980
It's not here.

5408
07:36:49,160 --> 07:36:51,940
I said I could do it, but I guess not.

5409
07:36:59,280 --> 07:37:03,340
We just did that one. That's the one we're just talking about. Okay, there we go.

5410
07:37:03,700 --> 07:37:04,640
Businesses. Okay, yes.

5411
07:37:07,290 --> 07:37:10,810
Okay, this is, these are just our operating expenses here.

5412
07:37:12,030 --> 07:37:16,750
So there, I think overall it was up 5%. If you look at the total line items,

5413
07:37:17,950 --> 07:37:22,250
some of the reasons that some items are smaller than others and, you know,

5414
07:37:22,250 --> 07:37:29,370
some are very insignificant costs, but some of the reason that the line-on is put up

5415
07:37:29,370 --> 07:37:38,350
like for promotional or marketing activities is because we have a grant of $13.6 million

5416
07:37:38,350 --> 07:37:39,690
to improve the airport.

5417
07:37:40,750 --> 07:37:48,410
We were looking at additional improvements, in my opinion, it's time to double down on economic

5418
07:37:48,410 --> 07:37:51,730
economic development and business recruitment and business retention and expansion.

5419
07:37:52,350 --> 07:37:59,490
At a time when we're investing so much in the airport and when we're looking at reducing residential

5420
07:37:59,490 --> 07:38:05,330
tax or out of the alarm taxes coming in, we need to find ways to have additional revenue streams.

5421
07:38:06,470 --> 07:38:14,170
So we put some additional travel, additional marketing, additional funds to participate with the state to leverage those dollars.

5422
07:38:14,350 --> 07:38:16,250
So we're there with the state at these events.

5423
07:38:16,250 --> 07:38:18,210
Can we reduce some of those?

5424
07:38:18,370 --> 07:38:18,510
Yes.

5425
07:38:19,830 --> 07:38:23,130
You know, that is obviously at your discretion, your support.

5426
07:38:23,950 --> 07:38:27,130
I will point out that under contracted services,

5427
07:38:27,870 --> 07:38:30,470
there's $118,000 in that line item.

5428
07:38:31,230 --> 07:38:33,850
$50,000 of that is for so many street.

5429
07:38:34,990 --> 07:38:39,010
About $35,000 of that is the small business development center.

5430
07:38:40,870 --> 07:38:43,210
Very important, small business development center.

5431
07:38:43,950 --> 07:38:49,450
answers a lot of questions for us. They're a partner of ours for entrepreneurs in particular.

5432
07:38:50,490 --> 07:38:55,650
And we do have some fines in there for as far as Casco, Hernando, to continue to promote

5433
07:38:56,490 --> 07:39:01,770
education and continuing education for all and in great jobs for our residents.

5434
07:39:02,170 --> 07:39:08,810
So that would be one line item where I would say that some low hanging fruit that is not a requirement.

5435
07:39:08,810 --> 07:39:15,710
And obviously, to your point earlier, none of it is a requirement, right?

5436
07:39:15,890 --> 07:39:16,590
It's not required.

5437
07:39:17,210 --> 07:39:23,070
But on the back end of what you get, what you get for the investment that you're making,

5438
07:39:24,110 --> 07:39:28,410
I'll just remind you all while I'm here because that's the job.

5439
07:39:28,410 --> 07:39:45,050
You know, the airport, $141 million of assessed property value, $52 million assessed changeable property outside the county are our primary

5440
07:39:48,280 --> 07:39:59,860
industries, $172 million, that's outside of the airport, $172 million in assessed value, $576 million in property and cabit.

5441
07:40:00,530 --> 07:40:24,530
$106 million of assessed property value, $4.3 million in assessed tangible. Those are the projects that we work, those are the customers we work with everyday. And that's why we want to keep increasing those. So that's why I say more business recruitment, more efforts on those. Thank you, ma'am.

5442
07:40:24,530 --> 07:40:28,870
I hate to say it, but Main Street is one, not a need.

5443
07:40:29,550 --> 07:40:31,090
There's already a lot of controversy about it.

5444
07:40:31,450 --> 07:40:34,390
I mean, you scrap the $50,000, they do fundraising that make it work.

5445
07:40:35,610 --> 07:40:36,310
That's my opinion.

5446
07:40:36,610 --> 07:40:37,450
I don't know what you guys think.

5447
07:40:41,390 --> 07:40:42,670
It's not my favorite idea.

5448
07:40:46,970 --> 07:40:47,350
Yeah, I do.

5449
07:40:47,650 --> 07:40:48,890
Can I sleep about it?

5450
07:40:49,030 --> 07:40:49,710
No, ma'am.

5451
07:40:50,450 --> 07:40:50,850
I'm sorry.

5452
07:40:51,530 --> 07:40:51,930
No, ma'am.

5453
07:40:52,210 --> 07:40:55,050
Because they got to speak for the library, so now I wasn't here.

5454
07:40:55,570 --> 07:40:55,930
Sorry.

5455
07:40:56,230 --> 07:40:57,190
I love tremendous jobs.

5456
07:40:57,670 --> 07:40:58,210
Thank you, ma'am.

5457
07:40:58,330 --> 07:40:58,970
And it's needed.

5458
07:40:59,270 --> 07:40:59,750
Thank you, ma'am.

5459
07:40:59,750 --> 07:41:05,190
County. The only thing our kids have that can have better jobs that make better money.

5460
07:41:05,430 --> 07:41:12,070
Thank you, ma'am. Just say no, ma'am. We've already talked about keeping the library. That's why we're

5461
07:41:12,070 --> 07:41:12,610
having a discussion.

5462
07:41:15,130 --> 07:41:16,870
I think it's a library.

5463
07:41:18,890 --> 07:41:27,030
Okay, so thank you. So we have a 200,000. Is there anything else you

5464
07:41:27,030 --> 07:41:31,490
I just wanted to discuss there, so you don't want to touch the $50,000 per main street?

5465
07:41:33,570 --> 07:41:37,370
I've said my opinion, that your opinion, but I don't know what the other cues are.

5466
07:41:38,630 --> 07:41:45,550
I think they did a fantastic job for us this year helping out for nothing, pretty much.

5467
07:41:46,970 --> 07:41:50,770
I think the parade and the Christmas tree and all that, this is solid.

5468
07:41:50,770 --> 07:41:53,850
But, you know, so, could we visit it later?

5469
07:41:54,550 --> 07:41:55,390
Yeah, thank you.

5470
07:41:55,550 --> 07:41:56,030
Thank you.

5471
07:41:56,530 --> 07:41:57,670
We really appreciate that.

5472
07:41:59,410 --> 07:42:01,890
Okay, we're going to park on the car.

5473
07:42:02,750 --> 07:42:03,410
Got to go on the talk.

5474
07:42:08,350 --> 07:42:08,770
Do you need?

5475
07:42:09,110 --> 07:42:10,010
No, I don't need it.

5476
07:42:10,170 --> 07:42:10,770
So, I'm good.

5477
07:42:10,970 --> 07:42:14,130
So, Jeff and I had already discussed and we, you know,

5478
07:42:14,310 --> 07:42:16,690
some positions that were added in my budget request.

5479
07:42:17,410 --> 07:42:20,270
I heard the, as you saw, the business analyst,

5480
07:42:20,830 --> 07:42:23,010
there's another position in there that I can,

5481
07:42:23,390 --> 07:42:25,110
we'll figure out working around.

5482
07:42:25,110 --> 07:42:27,550
so that's about another 100,000 removed.

5483
07:42:27,990 --> 07:42:29,950
I don't think the business analyst,

5484
07:42:30,110 --> 07:42:31,350
I think we've not taken that out,

5485
07:42:31,590 --> 07:42:33,990
because that was in your service budget.

5486
07:42:34,650 --> 07:42:36,350
I have not given you a revised request

5487
07:42:36,350 --> 07:42:39,230
because I anticipated this happening.

5488
07:42:39,490 --> 07:42:40,850
I'll give you a revised request

5489
07:42:40,850 --> 07:42:41,790
and we get them all final.

5490
07:42:42,490 --> 07:42:45,610
So you're starting to hire Jeff the same, so I'm sorry.

5491
07:42:45,670 --> 07:42:48,450
Yeah, so the business hand is money still in your budget.

5492
07:42:49,170 --> 07:42:53,110
So we can, which is obviously that we have to do that request.

5493
07:42:53,110 --> 07:42:59,130
Yes, I thought it was your mean earlier. Sorry. I didn't take it out. You have to send to me a budget

5494
07:42:59,130 --> 07:42:59,790
I

5495
07:43:00,250 --> 07:43:04,050
Prove the constitutional budget. I'm not a cookie. Yep. So what's the total sir?

5496
07:43:04,610 --> 07:43:05,010
200

5497
07:43:05,830 --> 07:43:09,550
Thank you sir. Yep. Appreciate that very much. Thank you

5498
07:43:12,370 --> 07:43:18,510
Thank you. All right ladies, where were what's the total so far? I think you've all numbers and they can just

5499
07:43:20,730 --> 07:43:25,770
$1,581,975 and that includes the reduction and reserves.

5500
07:43:27,350 --> 07:43:28,530
I'll just hold it again.

5501
07:43:30,450 --> 07:43:33,110
$1,581,975.

5502
07:43:34,610 --> 07:43:39,510
The total before the reserves is 1335-000.

5503
07:43:39,570 --> 07:43:42,250
And we need to get to 2.1.

5504
07:43:42,250 --> 07:43:46,790
Yeah, for the library and rollback. Yes

5505
07:43:47,950 --> 07:43:51,210
I mean we're keeping all the other village

5506
07:43:52,770 --> 07:43:57,250
They would have to be cut from a different budget. Like a different. What was it? What was the number?

5507
07:43:58,130 --> 07:44:04,070
We're at a total cut is one million five hundred and eighty nine thousand nine hundred seventy-five

5508
07:44:04,570 --> 07:44:07,690
81. Oh, I'm sorry. 81. I can't read my own hand right?

5509
07:44:08,550 --> 07:44:14,370
One five eight one one five eight one nine seven five and we need to get to a two point one

5510
07:44:15,670 --> 07:44:16,390
Fish yeah

5511
07:44:18,110 --> 07:44:22,450
We'll keep adding yes, hopefully we'll keep adding okay

5512
07:44:23,210 --> 07:44:30,290
What's next? I think we should probably start something even do you want to go to add mail in the BOTC and then we can sit down good on the list or something?

5513
07:44:30,330 --> 07:44:32,570
Okay, now

5514
07:44:37,370 --> 07:44:41,090
What do you want do you want budget book do you want my name detail?

5515
07:44:41,670 --> 07:44:43,770
Which one do you buy in detail administration?

5516
07:45:05,260 --> 07:45:36,530
I'm going past the ones that are not general one. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, I was just going to. Okay. Yeah. And then this starts strong. Okay. Give me a little bit. Yeah. I mean, all they got to board in here that's a extremely discretionary. I've 70,000 professional services, but that's for a consultant. I mean, a lot of us like keep on my side that I use for negotiating contracts and legislative things, but I know the board has a lot of issues.

5517
07:45:36,530 --> 07:45:43,130
So that would be, we have saying it doesn't budget that it contracts less than that, but, you know,

5518
07:45:45,300 --> 07:45:49,360
do you use it? Oh, yeah, I use it. Yeah, yeah, use it a lot of things.

5519
07:45:50,880 --> 07:45:55,280
I use a lot. I use a lot, but yeah, it's the same.

5520
07:45:55,440 --> 07:45:59,900
The things you don't have to have, you go down here, things you don't, you can survive without them.

5521
07:45:59,900 --> 07:46:01,920
and then I'll

5522
07:46:04,130 --> 07:46:04,870
let him listen to you.

5523
07:46:05,210 --> 07:46:06,270
And I

5524
07:46:10,680 --> 07:46:12,900
think we increased education training,

5525
07:46:13,900 --> 07:46:19,920
probably decreased that by $4,000, $4,000, $5,000,

5526
07:46:19,920 --> 07:46:24,430
probably, but it's good to know that we don't have to.

5527
07:46:25,230 --> 07:46:29,390
OK, so I'll do whatever's pleasure of the board,

5528
07:46:29,390 --> 07:46:36,970
but my recommendation is that we write down this admin $70,000,

5529
07:46:37,050 --> 07:46:38,310
but we don't include it in the number.

5530
07:46:38,310 --> 07:46:40,270
So we can come back to it.

5531
07:46:41,190 --> 07:46:42,310
You guys okay with that?

5532
07:46:42,870 --> 07:46:43,750
Okay, all right.

5533
07:46:47,970 --> 07:46:48,930
You ready for the next one?

5534
07:46:49,210 --> 07:46:49,450
Yes, you can.

5535
07:46:49,710 --> 07:46:50,030
Okay.

5536
07:46:55,720 --> 07:46:57,380
This is the PIO budget.

5537
07:46:58,200 --> 07:47:00,260
Is it, are you checking your email to see

5538
07:47:00,260 --> 07:47:01,920
if there's any other constitutions coming in

5539
07:47:01,920 --> 07:47:02,880
or would you surprise us?

5540
07:47:03,100 --> 07:47:03,220
No.

5541
07:47:04,860 --> 07:47:06,600
I'm trying to find the medical examiner.

5542
07:47:06,700 --> 07:47:08,520
I'm hoping there's a Easter egg there.

5543
07:47:09,820 --> 07:47:14,220
If you're not interested in the increase

5544
07:47:14,220 --> 07:47:16,360
or decrease percentage, I can make this larger.

5545
07:47:17,180 --> 07:47:25,060
it's up to you. I think I can get rid of that. No, I'm good with this. You're good. Okay. Yeah.

5546
07:47:33,580 --> 07:47:33,880
Okay.

5547
07:47:41,170 --> 07:47:42,930
I miss all of this behind you. If

5548
07:47:47,220 --> 07:47:49,780
I don't stop, you know, so you know what we're looking for, we're looking

5549
07:47:49,780 --> 07:47:58,860
for a general fund only. Is there anything that you can get from general fund? Dominic Holmes,

5550
07:47:58,860 --> 07:48:05,780
Director of Communications and Government Affairs. We do have interoperating supplies. We have

5551
07:48:05,780 --> 07:48:11,900
well it's actually a different category. I engaged her Nando, that's about $30,000. I know that we

5552
07:48:11,900 --> 07:48:21,100
utilize that a lot more tornado happenings and and so distance academy and doge but a lot of our

5553
07:48:21,100 --> 07:48:26,340
I don't have capital projects and a lot of our programs that we operate is going to be staff so

5554
07:48:26,340 --> 07:48:29,200
So we need a county website, that's on there.

5555
07:48:29,440 --> 07:48:31,580
Can't really cut the county website,

5556
07:48:31,580 --> 07:48:35,040
but I was thinking, yeah, that's it.

5557
07:48:35,120 --> 07:48:36,700
Yeah, professional services in there,

5558
07:48:36,700 --> 07:48:38,040
I thought, I'm looking at my versions,

5559
07:48:38,040 --> 07:48:39,040
they changed it a lot.

5560
07:48:44,460 --> 07:48:47,380
Oh, we're overall down 2% for the budget.

5561
07:48:47,480 --> 07:48:48,560
We cut that didn't, we did, okay.

5562
07:48:50,700 --> 07:48:54,680
Yeah, and we didn't add any staff or anything like that.

5563
07:48:54,820 --> 07:48:55,640
No, we're ahead with that.

5564
07:48:58,870 --> 07:49:00,130
What do you guys think about?

5565
07:49:00,610 --> 07:49:01,530
Engage or an endow?

5566
07:49:01,530 --> 07:49:02,310
I

5567
07:49:05,120 --> 07:49:11,660
mean, I don't know, I mean, I think the administrators put a lot of time into it, that's

5568
07:49:11,660 --> 07:49:15,920
like a forward way of the county as part of the communications of the community.

5569
07:49:16,840 --> 07:49:23,440
I mean, if we can do it ourselves, keep it up, try to fix it out, over, look at Doug

5570
07:49:23,440 --> 07:49:30,160
for IT to see if we could, you know, that page allows, I just cut two positions, I can't

5571
07:49:32,900 --> 07:49:35,800
I want you to take over the geese site.

5572
07:49:36,300 --> 07:49:36,900
No good.

5573
07:49:36,920 --> 07:49:38,120
I'm just going to finish.

5574
07:49:38,400 --> 07:49:39,260
The chat box was awesome.

5575
07:49:41,320 --> 07:49:42,420
But I cut it.

5576
07:49:42,520 --> 07:49:43,660
We had a chat box and I cut it.

5577
07:49:44,040 --> 07:49:44,960
It won't be on the website.

5578
07:49:46,060 --> 07:49:47,320
I did a chat box.

5579
07:49:47,460 --> 07:49:48,420
That's how it filled us.

5580
07:49:50,880 --> 07:49:54,020
I think it's good.

5581
07:49:54,980 --> 07:49:56,260
It is one of your strategic plans.

5582
07:49:56,660 --> 07:49:59,080
If we're going to follow it, it is community engagement.

5583
07:49:59,240 --> 07:49:59,960
That would face things.

5584
07:50:00,000 --> 07:50:28,860
I think we're getting better, like we're doing this, we're trying to drive people to the site, right? How do people know what we're doing every, what, what your tax, what your tax dollars that work for you, right? That's kind of what we're trying to show people, and every day. So I think they're doing a good job on these videos and these, and I think it's getting more and more time. We have to give it time, I think. We, we may be needing a lot of that over the next year or so in engagement.

5585
07:50:28,860 --> 07:50:30,800
it? Explaining what's going on.

5586
07:50:32,980 --> 07:50:36,120
I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I think

5587
07:50:36,120 --> 07:50:39,520
utilities is just going to do it. Is this going to be an end of county water and sewer

5588
07:50:39,520 --> 07:50:42,280
district? And then we're going to work for them. Right.

5589
07:50:46,680 --> 07:50:52,900
Do you want me to put it on the side list or we're not considering this at all? I think you

5590
07:50:52,900 --> 07:50:57,060
have to consider it. Okay. Put it on the side list, please. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you.

5591
07:50:57,060 --> 07:50:57,280
Yes.

5592
07:50:58,280 --> 07:50:58,680
OK.

5593
07:50:58,960 --> 07:50:59,360
What's next?

5594
07:51:00,540 --> 07:51:01,440
Let's B-O-C-C.

5595
07:51:01,680 --> 07:51:02,760
But we have that one there.

5596
07:51:03,380 --> 07:51:04,380
You want the B-O-C-C?

5597
07:51:04,640 --> 07:51:05,580
Yeah, because that's what we say.

5598
07:51:05,720 --> 07:51:07,120
We're only on the floor.

5599
07:51:08,060 --> 07:51:08,260
Hmm.

5600
07:51:11,120 --> 07:51:12,760
That's a great question.

5601
07:51:12,940 --> 07:51:13,480
Now you know it?

5602
07:51:13,860 --> 07:51:14,340
Can we?

5603
07:51:14,700 --> 07:51:15,820
Oh, I have a recommendation.

5604
07:51:18,580 --> 07:51:18,980
It

5605
07:51:31,970 --> 07:51:32,830
says money goes.

5606
07:51:33,190 --> 07:51:36,450
Like we have vacancies, you know, that salary money helps out

5607
07:51:36,450 --> 07:51:36,850
with things.

5608
07:51:39,050 --> 07:51:47,590
Yeah, that one is sitting on the counter because we have it anyway, right? So okay, all right. So it doesn't we'll get to count that for next year. Let me do this. Yeah, it hasn't been going out.

5609
07:51:48,030 --> 07:51:50,190
What happens with that money? It rolls.

5610
07:51:52,730 --> 07:51:59,910
It's going to go into the fund mountain in the year right next year's true upright. So next year's true up you have that. It'll come back next year. The next year's true up.

5611
07:51:59,910 --> 07:52:01,150
Yep, got it.

5612
07:52:03,900 --> 07:52:15,740
The first general put him on his county attorney, thank you, bro. What's the next thing? County attorney. Oh, okay, okay. Good pressure, Joe.

5613
07:52:16,200 --> 07:52:18,260
Blessing. He's got nothing.

5614
07:52:38,340 --> 07:52:39,020
The

5615
07:52:43,440 --> 07:52:47,860
only thing I think I have is an open position.

5616
07:52:49,340 --> 07:52:54,860
That's the position since we gave animal services to the sheriff's office and the sheriff's

5617
07:52:54,860 --> 07:53:00,740
office can't share case data with us because it's in their criminal system which we can't

5618
07:53:00,740 --> 07:53:05,120
access to have to have someone to enter all the evidence they collect in their animal

5619
07:53:05,120 --> 07:53:11,780
cases and to I guess we're going to be cool on Tyler we're good yeah that's the only

5620
07:53:11,780 --> 07:53:20,440
position I would have it's gonna be that no what wouldn't happen just longer delays all the

5621
07:53:20,440 --> 07:53:28,260
special master animal service yeah you don't want that yeah you don't want that okay what's next

5622
07:53:33,100 --> 07:53:35,040
Board of County commissioners

5623
07:53:44,380 --> 07:53:46,120
with the contract with services to remember.

5624
07:53:46,660 --> 07:53:47,760
I can check that.

5625
07:53:48,440 --> 07:53:49,960
What is the travel for DM?

5626
07:53:51,200 --> 07:53:52,740
For the county commission.

5627
07:53:54,040 --> 07:53:55,080
What's that?

5628
07:53:56,080 --> 07:53:56,380
Right.

5629
07:53:56,520 --> 07:54:00,640
I've never requested any travel or for DM.

5630
07:54:01,300 --> 07:54:02,140
Get rid of balls of those.

5631
07:54:02,840 --> 07:54:02,960
All right.

5632
07:54:03,060 --> 07:54:03,760
Just get rid of it.

5633
07:54:04,240 --> 07:54:05,380
It's part of our job.

5634
07:54:07,520 --> 07:54:08,980
That's $10,250.

5635
07:54:09,720 --> 07:54:09,820
Yeah.

5636
07:54:10,560 --> 07:54:16,900
I would recommend keeping at least something in it though, because we're actually totally federal law required to pay you

5637
07:54:17,700 --> 07:54:18,900
mileage as you claim it

5638
07:54:20,560 --> 07:54:23,320
Can we just shame somebody if they claim it?

5639
07:54:32,580 --> 07:54:37,880
We got two new commissioners next year. Oh, I don't know sometimes, but I don't know how to claim it. I don't ever claim it

5640
07:54:37,880 --> 07:54:39,840
I don't claim that I drive all the way to the canal.

5641
07:54:40,500 --> 07:54:40,900
I don't think so.

5642
07:54:41,280 --> 07:54:42,240
I don't think so.

5643
07:54:42,240 --> 07:54:42,820
I don't think so.

5644
07:54:43,280 --> 07:54:43,640
You will.

5645
07:54:43,840 --> 07:54:49,140
Do you want to do commission next year and you could go to the commissioner trainings and

5646
07:54:49,140 --> 07:54:52,900
understand that they're commissioner and there's a good one but they might have a way to get

5647
07:54:52,900 --> 07:54:53,540
yourself into.

5648
07:54:53,820 --> 07:54:54,040
Okay.

5649
07:54:54,320 --> 07:54:55,920
I know you're not my relationship.

5650
07:54:56,360 --> 07:54:58,620
I hope we don't walk it tonight so they can start saving.

5651
07:54:58,800 --> 07:54:59,380
All right.

5652
07:55:00,000 --> 07:55:26,420
And then if I set the attorney, we're going to keep $350 in there. Okay, $250 to take the $10,000 out. Got it. Exactly, sir. Yeah, we're happy. We're happy. Okay. Let's next. Oh, wait, do I see that there are something else that somebody ask about professional services or something? That's what it was. That was that's the lobby.

5653
07:55:30,960 --> 07:55:32,480
Well, there's actually a decrease.

5654
07:55:32,480 --> 07:55:34,880
to increase from $1,800 to $4.

5655
07:55:36,180 --> 07:55:36,980
Take it a lot.

5656
07:55:37,060 --> 07:55:38,960
Oh, that's.

5657
07:55:38,960 --> 07:55:39,140
Yeah.

5658
07:55:44,280 --> 07:55:44,680
Okay.

5659
07:55:44,780 --> 07:55:45,720
That's the answer.

5660
07:55:48,130 --> 07:55:51,850
That's the $102,000.

5661
07:55:52,430 --> 07:55:53,130
$100,000.

5662
07:55:53,690 --> 07:55:54,150
$500,000.

5663
07:55:54,510 --> 07:55:54,710
$500,000.

5664
07:55:55,410 --> 07:55:56,150
$530,000.

5665
07:55:56,150 --> 07:55:57,030
$030,000.

5666
07:55:57,030 --> 07:55:57,510
$101.

5667
07:55:57,590 --> 07:55:58,390
Professional Services.

5668
07:56:04,300 --> 07:56:06,580
I'm sure the lobby, you know, the lobbyist contract is under that.

5669
07:56:06,700 --> 07:56:08,420
But it's something else in here, too.

5670
07:56:08,840 --> 07:56:09,020
Any

5671
07:56:12,450 --> 07:56:13,050
number here?

5672
07:56:13,850 --> 07:56:15,310
Uh, 5303.

5673
07:56:15,310 --> 07:56:18,430
303 101. Thank you.

5674
07:56:18,430 --> 07:56:19,330
One of the

5675
07:56:29,410 --> 07:56:32,950
4 financial advisor retainer on disclosure.

5676
07:56:33,630 --> 07:56:34,210
Compliance.

5677
07:56:34,910 --> 07:56:36,130
Estimate for bond.

5678
07:56:36,710 --> 07:56:38,530
Sunrise consultant group.

5679
07:56:39,190 --> 07:56:40,510
And then you

5680
07:56:43,130 --> 07:56:43,910
can use gold down.

5681
07:56:44,270 --> 07:56:45,050
You can keep all that.

5682
07:56:45,130 --> 07:56:45,670
Okay.

5683
07:56:46,010 --> 07:56:48,310
Okay. What's the 78 contract is services?

5684
07:56:50,980 --> 07:56:52,880
The 1,400.

5685
07:56:53,080 --> 07:56:53,960
Yes.

5686
07:56:54,640 --> 07:56:57,120
Or 140,000.

5687
07:56:57,440 --> 07:56:57,800
Yeah.

5688
07:57:01,720 --> 07:57:05,540
it's 530401. Thank you. Is it shot?

5689
07:57:15,440 --> 07:57:16,720
3401? Yes.

5690
07:57:20,620 --> 07:57:25,460
Oh, great. So we have to pay that. That's 46.96. The

5691
07:57:25,460 --> 07:57:27,140
other is the Brooksville C.I.A. stuff.

5692
07:57:31,300 --> 07:57:34,380
We got to pay the Brooksville C.I.A. other consultant for

5693
07:57:34,380 --> 07:57:44,960
that. No, we had last year. Yeah, it's 131,000. That's a consultant and then it looks like we

5694
07:57:44,960 --> 07:57:48,420
We've got to increase them out of another 6,000, so.

5695
07:57:48,820 --> 07:57:49,480
Do we need it?

5696
07:57:51,020 --> 07:57:53,100
I don't remember having a new consultant.

5697
07:57:53,300 --> 07:57:54,360
We haven't had ACES up in there.

5698
07:57:54,800 --> 07:57:56,160
So last year, we had one, but.

5699
07:57:58,360 --> 07:58:01,280
Beta, do you know if we have to do any other studies for the CRI?

5700
07:58:01,860 --> 07:58:02,840
No, I don't think so.

5701
07:58:02,960 --> 07:58:03,260
We're done.

5702
07:58:03,680 --> 07:58:03,820
Yeah.

5703
07:58:04,440 --> 07:58:05,000
All right.

5704
07:58:05,120 --> 07:58:05,880
That was last year.

5705
07:58:06,160 --> 07:58:06,380
Too good.

5706
07:58:06,460 --> 07:58:06,820
Yeah.

5707
07:58:07,820 --> 07:58:09,020
All right, so let's cut that.

5708
07:58:09,280 --> 07:58:09,800
What's that number?

5709
07:58:11,560 --> 07:58:13,220
3, 4, 1.

5710
07:58:13,880 --> 07:58:18,320
Oh, there's 131.45 and 6,120. Those two together.

5711
07:58:21,180 --> 07:58:24,460
You have to find, you guys are awesome.

5712
07:58:25,040 --> 07:58:26,200
What's our total so far?

5713
07:58:31,360 --> 07:58:33,280
1.736.025.

5714
07:58:33,860 --> 07:58:34,040
Okay.

5715
07:58:45,310 --> 07:58:45,970
What's next?

5716
07:59:11,280 --> 07:59:15,660
So these are all ones that I've gone past that have to take place.

5717
07:59:16,540 --> 07:59:18,480
The same here. This is the debt.

5718
07:59:18,760 --> 07:59:25,280
And then these are the transfers over to mosquito control to run them.

5719
07:59:25,280 --> 07:59:26,260
This

5720
07:59:34,740 --> 07:59:37,940
is just your reserve that will adjust and

5721
07:59:40,340 --> 07:59:42,060
then these are the constitutional

5722
07:59:42,060 --> 07:59:47,780
of your property appraisers, tax collector, clerk of court, supervisor elections,

5723
07:59:48,700 --> 07:59:49,420
sheriff.

5724
07:59:53,090 --> 07:59:58,830
This is Geo Medical. This is also a state mandate. You have to cover

5725
07:59:58,830 --> 07:59:59,350
of see.

5726
08:00:00,000 --> 08:00:12,840
Local expenses of the inmates. So if it's something they can handle on their own, they handle it within the jail, with the nurses and whatever they have there, right? And then if it's an emergency, they take them where?

5727
08:00:15,740 --> 08:00:25,840
We usually get hospital plans and then claims for doctors. I can say that most frequently I've seen them with claims for cancer treatment.

5728
08:00:30,680 --> 08:00:31,200
Okay,

5729
08:00:33,440 --> 08:00:36,780
can I treat him when you're in? Yeah, yeah.

5730
08:00:39,580 --> 08:00:43,160
Okay, that is the VocC.

5731
08:00:45,720 --> 08:00:46,700
What's the next one?

5732
08:00:49,210 --> 08:00:53,370
I don't know that there are any left that have a general fund. Hold on.

5733
08:01:16,430 --> 08:01:23,270
there are decreases here when it comes to personnel because one of our positions has been

5734
08:01:23,270 --> 08:01:24,950
transfer to another department.

5735
08:01:27,690 --> 08:01:32,390
At this time we are not getting a new position to replace that so

5736
08:01:33,490 --> 08:01:35,630
that's why it looks that way. Thank you.

5737
08:01:38,930 --> 08:01:41,970
Traveling per DM, I switched lines and needed to be in

5738
08:01:41,970 --> 08:01:43,290
this line, not in this one.

5739
08:01:45,810 --> 08:01:51,850
Contracted services, we have a cost allocation plan and it's usually $11,000

5740
08:01:51,850 --> 08:01:58,750
$9,000 a year to update. They quoted us $20,000 a year to redo it. That is totally your choice.

5741
08:01:59,150 --> 08:02:04,210
We can kick that out another year and just pay them the $11,000 to update it and keep the

5742
08:02:04,210 --> 08:02:13,490
nine. Yeah, let's do that. You guys good with that? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so $9,000. That is, can you tell us

5743
08:02:14,310 --> 08:02:15,450
You guys have it.

5744
08:02:18,460 --> 08:02:19,280
Anything else?

5745
08:02:20,680 --> 08:02:21,960
So, oh, I went too fast.

5746
08:02:22,840 --> 08:02:26,280
So down here, this is maintenance and software,

5747
08:02:26,680 --> 08:02:29,120
and so that has increased.

5748
08:02:29,580 --> 08:02:31,840
Hopefully it will go down after this year

5749
08:02:33,260 --> 08:02:36,140
with Tyler and everything settles out.

5750
08:02:37,100 --> 08:02:37,940
But you need that.

5751
08:02:38,620 --> 08:02:39,940
We need it for this year.

5752
08:02:40,200 --> 08:02:40,400
Okay.

5753
08:02:43,300 --> 08:02:45,260
This year meaning next year.

5754
08:02:45,480 --> 08:02:45,700
Yes.

5755
08:02:45,700 --> 08:03:01,280
Yeah, you were looking at, yeah, the one we're looking at, and then the same with like books and publications, we just increased that to get a new blue book from GFOA.

5756
08:03:03,340 --> 08:03:06,220
What's next? Thank you for that reduction.

5757
08:03:08,250 --> 08:03:09,680
This is grants management.

5758
08:03:09,680 --> 08:03:10,680
So

5759
08:03:21,340 --> 08:03:30,680
for grants management, the only thing under grants management is contracted

5760
08:03:36,470 --> 08:03:37,110
service.

5761
08:03:37,730 --> 08:03:42,930
So under contracted services, you could take the 50,000 out.

5762
08:03:43,170 --> 08:03:43,810
That's 60.

5763
08:03:45,190 --> 08:03:49,530
I would recommend that you keep 10 and your reason being that you have ARPA coming due.

5764
08:03:50,090 --> 08:03:53,490
All the ARPA reporting coming due in the next fiscal year.

5765
08:03:53,490 --> 08:03:56,130
And I think that there's a consultant we need to have on staff for that.

5766
08:03:56,610 --> 08:03:58,130
So I would not take the 10 for that.

5767
08:03:58,410 --> 08:04:06,670
There were additional 50 put in for potentially another grant consulting services for grant writing if we want to go after more federal or state grants.

5768
08:04:07,070 --> 08:04:09,590
That is what that $50,000 is there for.

5769
08:04:10,190 --> 08:04:15,810
Yeah, I put that in as working with a grant manager company to help out getting federal grants.

5770
08:04:16,570 --> 08:04:23,150
So we're not, it's in the budget, so I mean if it's in the budget, I think it's a good thing to do.

5771
08:04:23,150 --> 08:04:27,230
But so I wouldn't have left something in the budget that I think is not to do so

5772
08:04:27,230 --> 08:04:33,210
Yeah, but uh, because I think it's a worthwhile to go get federal grants to help some assistance to watch this

5773
08:04:33,210 --> 08:04:38,150
But we don't but obviously with the I don't know with that whether you're out financially right now

5774
08:04:38,150 --> 08:04:43,570
I'll obviously cut it because if you get the goal is I don't think we're going to spend a lot of time trying to be

5775
08:04:44,170 --> 08:04:49,390
I mean negative that proactive. I mean if I'm just trying to maintain I was trying to go get money in town

5776
08:04:49,390 --> 08:04:56,410
I'm trying to get enough presence of Washington DC, keep not winning Tiger of

5777
08:04:56,410 --> 08:04:59,230
Rance, and the only way they're going to widen that road is for me to get a 50-man

5778
08:05:01,100 --> 08:05:29,780
And so this is a company that I researched and met. We actually interviewed two or three companies that we're going to try to bring forward. See if you want to hire me next year, but I'm going to come back to. I think it's for itself. But I can bring it back. And rewriting all the grants. What's the CRF 200 and they're making huge changes with that and they give us like, what, less than a month. Oh, yeah, we have to comply. It's been my reason. I think you should keep it in there because we're not going to put it on the side. Please. Thank you.

5779
08:05:29,780 --> 08:05:32,540
Thank you ma'am. Okay, so

5780
08:05:39,230 --> 08:05:41,270
the next one is human resources and

5781
08:05:47,540 --> 08:05:51,820
has a candy budget. So we

5782
08:05:55,120 --> 08:05:57,700
cut out the salary study for this year.

5783
08:06:00,210 --> 08:06:06,410
We did have the money here to do a salary study. We're going to try to do it internally or so, but we're not in the past. We won't need to do one.

5784
08:06:06,410 --> 08:06:10,280
about the professional service of what's that?

5785
08:06:12,080 --> 08:06:20,280
Professional services is for, I think that part of that is for care at HTC, if I'm not mistaken.

5786
08:06:25,400 --> 08:06:31,280
We can definitely take employee recognition down to I'd like to keep about $5,000 employee

5787
08:06:31,280 --> 08:06:38,300
recognition only because with the partnership with SIGNA, they've been such a game changer

5788
08:06:38,300 --> 08:06:44,060
for us with incentives and the giveaways and things like that, that I could probably take

5789
08:06:44,060 --> 08:06:45,700
about 20,000 off of that.

5790
08:06:46,200 --> 08:06:47,020
Where's that?

5791
08:06:47,520 --> 08:06:48,320
That is.

5792
08:06:48,740 --> 08:06:49,040
I don't know.

5793
08:06:49,220 --> 08:06:54,500
The monthly launches, Jan, I mean, we do like an employee appreciation month of the department.

5794
08:06:54,520 --> 08:06:55,440
How are you paying for that?

5795
08:06:56,000 --> 08:06:57,180
I have an employee recognition.

5796
08:06:57,740 --> 08:06:58,580
I would disagree.

5797
08:06:58,860 --> 08:07:03,340
I think I think employee, I appreciate an employee's for things you do every day.

5798
08:07:03,540 --> 08:07:08,180
I think it's, you know, your employees are your biggest asset and I think it's a minor

5799
08:07:08,180 --> 08:07:15,520
of course to ensure that we recognize the work we're doing every day. So I would I would

5800
08:07:15,520 --> 08:07:22,780
not. We have a school recognition program. Okay. So professional services is for outside

5801
08:07:24,740 --> 08:07:26,960
investigations and studies.

5802
08:07:29,480 --> 08:07:35,960
We haven't. We can go ahead and get rid of that completely. Yep.

5803
08:07:35,960 --> 08:07:36,660
I'll find it.

5804
08:07:37,000 --> 08:07:38,320
45,800.

5805
08:07:38,860 --> 08:07:39,140
Yes.

5806
08:07:40,940 --> 08:07:42,060
I agree

5807
08:07:48,680 --> 08:07:54,140
with the administrator on the employee appreciation items, but I'm happy to put

5808
08:07:54,140 --> 08:07:56,900
it on the side if somebody feels passionate about it.

5809
08:08:00,470 --> 08:08:00,830
Thank you.

5810
08:08:10,390 --> 08:08:10,790
Question.

5811
08:08:11,110 --> 08:08:11,910
I'll go back to that.

5812
08:08:12,270 --> 08:08:15,490
What is retirement contributions?

5813
08:08:18,550 --> 08:08:22,990
What is retirement contributions?

5814
08:08:23,470 --> 08:08:24,090
What is it?

5815
08:08:24,250 --> 08:08:24,490
What is it?

5816
08:08:24,630 --> 08:08:25,770
It's pretty retirement point.

5817
08:08:26,290 --> 08:08:27,830
I know I get that, but I'll say that.

5818
08:08:28,210 --> 08:08:31,530
Okay, it's just somehow, I thought I'd always hit FRS.

5819
08:08:31,910 --> 08:08:33,750
So I might, yeah, I don't know, but you better do, too.

5820
08:08:34,070 --> 08:08:34,350
All right.

5821
08:08:34,510 --> 08:08:36,490
It might be the rest of them, but yeah, it should be retirement.

5822
08:08:36,730 --> 08:08:39,030
All right, FRR, I just wanted to make sure

5823
08:08:39,030 --> 08:08:39,750
it was the same thing.

5824
08:08:47,250 --> 08:08:51,250
So for procurement, one of our big line item increases

5825
08:08:51,250 --> 08:08:55,310
was, I say big, it was, you know, a couple thousand dollars

5826
08:08:55,310 --> 08:08:57,450
was for replacement equipment.

5827
08:08:58,230 --> 08:09:02,350
So, I can't cut that because we need the new computers.

5828
08:09:02,350 --> 08:09:05,030
It's just time to refresh, basically, that's what it is.

5829
08:09:05,750 --> 08:09:13,430
The only thing that is a potential is under a dos and membership.

5830
08:09:13,870 --> 08:09:18,230
So, we do put like 4,000 in there for the prime membership every year.

5831
08:09:18,870 --> 08:09:20,470
Typically, Amazon waves that.

5832
08:09:20,610 --> 08:09:24,150
We don't pay it, but we budget for it anyway.

5833
08:09:25,250 --> 08:09:51,750
So again, we anticipate that they will waive that this year and we would not have to pay it, but we do budget that 4,000, and then there's an additional 4,000 for something called Polco, it would work very closely with engaged hernando and basically what that system does is in line with your strategic plan allows for a little more transparency to the citizenry about how hernando county performs in comparison to nationally.

5834
08:09:51,750 --> 08:09:59,610
So, when you talk about your KPIs, your benchmarks, all of those things, nationally at the state level and then to other counties.

5835
08:10:01,540 --> 08:10:15,500
It may not be, I cannot see that, Commissioner Alonco. So it is, let me see, I think I have to scroll down, because I think it's on the second page. And it is 5305402. Do's in memberships.

5836
08:10:17,800 --> 08:10:29,180
So roughly 8,000 from the two things that I just mentioned, you could pull out of there. All of the other do's in memberships that are in there are professional associations. I would not recommend that you pull those.

5837
08:10:29,180 --> 08:10:32,740
there's offer a lot of free training for your procurement staff. I think it's important

5838
08:10:32,740 --> 08:10:35,520
that they're engaged with the professional associations.

5839
08:10:36,980 --> 08:10:44,440
So definitely remove the Amazon. Can we put the other 4,000 with engage? You know, like

5840
08:10:44,440 --> 08:10:51,100
as a side car. Side car of the side car. Thank you. Appreciate it.

5841
08:10:55,620 --> 08:10:56,500
Developing service to

5842
08:10:56,500 --> 08:11:00,660
me. Okay, we could still or did anybody need it right? Okay, we're good.

5843
08:11:00,660 --> 08:11:01,080
Okay.

5844
08:11:04,820 --> 08:11:06,260
Never mind. You got it.

5845
08:11:13,740 --> 08:11:24,940
So just let us know. St. Bingo or something. When we get the number, you know, you never yelled Bingo unless you've got Bingo.

5846
08:11:25,740 --> 08:11:30,380
It'll get you a lot of troubles. That was a good try though.

5847
08:11:30,980 --> 08:11:32,400
That's a good try. It's a good project.

5848
08:11:48,660 --> 08:11:52,040
Yeah. Yeah. That's 2.1 to get the library back to you.

5849
08:11:59,790 --> 08:12:04,270
even though this is animal services this is just recognizing funding that was

5850
08:12:04,270 --> 08:12:09,650
returned by the sheriff's office okay this doesn't really we want that yes all

5851
08:12:20,340 --> 08:12:23,700
right this is chance you get yes okay is

5852
08:12:25,780 --> 08:12:28,300
everything been cut who could speak on

5853
08:12:28,300 --> 08:12:36,880
this me but scroll down to the bottom I mean I can't even talk about it okay like

5854
08:12:36,880 --> 08:12:40,540
200,000. Yeah, cool back up so I can see where the cost are at. Um,

5855
08:12:42,870 --> 08:12:43,550
there's a

5856
08:12:43,550 --> 08:12:45,990
straight line cut or a straight line cut,

5857
08:12:51,280 --> 08:12:54,580
professional services, 10,000, that's

5858
08:12:54,580 --> 08:12:59,180
for sure. Okay. And then why let that in your professional services from

5859
08:12:59,180 --> 08:13:02,080
Chinti. You get 5,000 was already cut. That

5860
08:13:05,020 --> 08:13:06,620
was one of the city's we talked about

5861
08:13:06,620 --> 08:13:12,340
earlier. So 5,000. That was a professional services. Okay, that was that was

5862
08:13:12,340 --> 08:13:15,260
So you're going to take the other five.

5863
08:13:23,610 --> 08:13:24,010
Insurance.

5864
08:13:25,950 --> 08:13:28,250
Now we could get a goat up there instead of the moan.

5865
08:13:28,490 --> 08:13:29,790
Have you a good place for a goat?

5866
08:13:30,030 --> 08:13:30,630
Right next to family?

5867
08:13:31,250 --> 08:13:32,050
Anything here?

5868
08:13:33,650 --> 08:13:34,170
Two minutes.

5869
08:13:34,910 --> 08:13:35,990
My question is,

5870
08:13:36,430 --> 08:13:37,210
let's go back and look.

5871
08:13:37,850 --> 08:13:39,070
Why is the insurance?

5872
08:13:39,550 --> 08:13:41,030
That's the insurance on the house.

5873
08:13:42,770 --> 08:13:43,770
I'm looking for value.

5874
08:13:43,990 --> 08:13:45,870
One time we were paying for that with tourism dollars.

5875
08:13:46,350 --> 08:13:46,670
It is.

5876
08:13:46,670 --> 08:13:46,690
All right.

5877
08:13:46,690 --> 08:13:47,670
It's coming towards us.

5878
08:13:48,650 --> 08:13:49,070
Okay.

5879
08:13:49,270 --> 08:13:49,550
Okay.

5880
08:13:49,810 --> 08:13:50,710
And then we'll be back up.

5881
08:13:50,870 --> 08:13:51,590
Great for you.

5882
08:13:52,010 --> 08:13:52,430
Okay.

5883
08:13:52,570 --> 08:13:52,590
Okay.

5884
08:13:52,890 --> 08:13:53,270
Yeah.

5885
08:13:53,870 --> 08:13:54,290
Covered.

5886
08:13:54,670 --> 08:13:56,850
And that's the minor cost that we have.

5887
08:13:58,790 --> 08:14:03,530
So, $263,000 budget and $56,000 from insurance.

5888
08:14:04,070 --> 08:14:05,730
And the rest of it is maintenance on the house.

5889
08:14:06,170 --> 08:14:06,330
Okay.

5890
08:14:06,890 --> 08:14:07,790
So, we're good.

5891
08:14:08,070 --> 08:14:08,470
I think you're good.

5892
08:14:08,750 --> 08:14:08,970
All right.

5893
08:14:09,150 --> 08:14:10,430
So, we gain $5,000.

5894
08:14:10,690 --> 08:14:10,810
Yep.

5895
08:14:12,370 --> 08:14:13,290
What had cut them out?

5896
08:14:18,470 --> 08:14:20,510
And then next one is Veteran Services.

5897
08:14:21,030 --> 08:14:21,590
All right.

5898
08:14:25,900 --> 08:14:26,240
Next.

5899
08:14:28,790 --> 08:14:29,870
How do you want to talk about it?

5900
08:14:32,020 --> 08:14:32,500
Well, good.

5901
08:14:32,900 --> 08:14:33,200
Thank you.

5902
08:14:33,340 --> 08:14:34,420
Thank you.

5903
08:14:35,480 --> 08:14:36,160
Appreciate it.

5904
08:14:39,080 --> 08:14:40,660
Now, you have to be a Veteran.

5905
08:14:43,590 --> 08:14:44,370
Does anybody...

5906
08:14:44,370 --> 08:14:46,090
Seriously, does anybody want to speak about it?

5907
08:14:46,210 --> 08:14:46,290
No.

5908
08:14:48,890 --> 08:14:49,450
Okay, thank you.

5909
08:14:49,490 --> 08:14:50,010
They need...

5910
08:14:50,010 --> 08:14:51,610
They don't do enough for a Veteran Services.

5911
08:14:51,910 --> 08:14:53,030
They don't want a good job, but they...

5912
08:14:53,030 --> 08:14:54,130
They need to, of course, somebody.

5913
08:14:54,250 --> 08:14:54,990
We can't do that right now.

5914
08:14:55,210 --> 08:14:55,710
Yeah, they...

5915
08:14:55,710 --> 08:14:57,050
We must wash it another first.

5916
08:14:57,070 --> 08:14:57,850
We'll try that in the future.

5917
08:14:58,110 --> 08:14:58,950
Yep, another way.

5918
08:14:59,150 --> 08:14:59,270
Good.

5919
08:15:00,000 --> 08:15:08,220
P-Pil. The next part for the creation. All you see this, right? You do a lot of

5920
08:15:20,960 --> 08:15:25,600
moa. This is round two or round three of the cuts on this budget this year. So five, we're

5921
08:15:25,600 --> 08:15:32,700
down 9% so what is this? Parks and Rec. Parks and Rec. We're going to show you in a week.

5922
08:15:33,140 --> 08:15:41,060
I can go through down 9 already. We're down 9% so we cut all of our CIP, pretty much all of

5923
08:15:41,700 --> 08:15:45,020
to do this here. Yeah. We got mowing contracts.

5924
08:15:47,900 --> 08:15:55,260
There's that. There's that guy. I see one that we can do. Rob's not here so I can do some of this really quick, really easy.

5925
08:15:58,440 --> 08:15:59,980
We should have shown all of that.

5926
08:15:59,980 --> 08:16:08,100
So account 5305310 was material signs.

5927
08:16:08,460 --> 08:16:11,000
We're going to replace some of our signage, that's $30,000.

5928
08:16:11,120 --> 08:16:12,160
We can take that out.

5929
08:16:12,420 --> 08:16:12,720
Perfect.

5930
08:16:14,440 --> 08:16:17,820
We can do some public private partnerships on those.

5931
08:16:19,480 --> 08:16:23,700
The other one was small, maybe the travel per day and we were going to try to send somebody

5932
08:16:23,700 --> 08:16:24,440
to the conference.

5933
08:16:24,440 --> 08:16:30,440
get a training so we can take out the travel pretty and it's $24,000.

5934
08:16:31,200 --> 08:16:33,940
I think the three of you have to make out.

5935
08:16:34,140 --> 08:16:34,860
You need to train people.

5936
08:16:41,600 --> 08:16:44,180
So this is round three of cuts on this side.

5937
08:16:44,440 --> 08:16:45,480
All right.

5938
08:16:45,800 --> 08:16:46,180
Thank you, sir.

5939
08:16:46,480 --> 08:16:46,600
Okay.

5940
08:16:56,040 --> 08:16:57,180
Cut the title.

5941
08:16:57,920 --> 08:16:58,900
Use GPS anyway.

5942
08:17:00,160 --> 08:17:01,000
Okay, library.

5943
08:17:04,730 --> 08:17:06,510
I'm going to try and add stuff there, right?

5944
08:17:08,510 --> 08:17:09,590
That's a goal right now.

5945
08:17:10,330 --> 08:17:11,570
I'm going to do this.

5946
08:17:14,950 --> 08:17:16,050
That's in the master plan.

5947
08:17:16,690 --> 08:17:17,970
That's in the master plan.

5948
08:17:25,330 --> 08:17:27,430
I guess my question to you, Cindy,

5949
08:17:27,610 --> 08:17:29,310
knowing your budget is, I know you,

5950
08:17:29,450 --> 08:17:31,690
to your credit, you have presented me,

5951
08:17:32,170 --> 08:17:33,830
we moved some of those things already.

5952
08:17:34,130 --> 08:17:37,170
We got rid of some of your reductions you provided.

5953
08:17:37,170 --> 08:17:40,810
a couple weeks ago or something when I

5954
08:17:40,810 --> 08:17:42,090
face I told you I spoke to the library.

5955
08:17:42,470 --> 08:17:44,510
But we removed the CIP projects.

5956
08:17:44,790 --> 08:17:46,030
There were some discussions you had

5957
08:17:46,030 --> 08:17:47,590
about moving things to state aid.

5958
08:17:49,750 --> 08:17:51,410
I don't think we've done that yet, right?

5959
08:17:52,790 --> 08:17:54,490
Karen and Tony, we didn't do it.

5960
08:17:54,770 --> 08:17:55,430
No, we didn't do that.

5961
08:17:56,230 --> 08:17:57,850
So there's any of those things you want

5962
08:17:57,850 --> 08:17:59,330
to bring forward now that we discussed

5963
08:17:59,330 --> 08:17:59,910
that one day.

5964
08:18:00,650 --> 08:18:02,810
There's two things that I think we can

5965
08:18:02,810 --> 08:18:06,910
take out that'll be full about $67,000.

5966
08:18:06,910 --> 08:18:11,990
is the beauty public laptop computer replacements and our self checkout

5967
08:18:11,990 --> 08:18:17,850
replacements. Delay those. Okay. I want to give them to the light to give this

5968
08:18:17,850 --> 08:18:18,330
I think that's the same thing here.

5969
08:18:19,030 --> 08:18:19,910
Oh crap.

5970
08:18:26,580 --> 08:18:27,500
Uncapolytes equipment.

5971
08:18:28,240 --> 08:18:29,200
Bear with me.

5972
08:18:29,360 --> 08:18:30,000
I don't have a family.

5973
08:18:30,000 --> 08:18:30,660
It's the person here.

5974
08:18:34,450 --> 08:18:36,150
You might just scroll down.

5975
08:18:37,570 --> 08:18:38,130
67

5976
08:18:43,180 --> 08:18:45,360
miles and probably repair maintenance.

5977
08:18:47,060 --> 08:18:47,720
Uncapolytes.

5978
08:18:48,800 --> 08:18:50,340
There's uncapolytes tech.

5979
08:18:52,400 --> 08:18:53,060
76.

5980
08:18:56,110 --> 08:18:57,690
Yeah, the 76 800.

5981
08:18:59,250 --> 08:19:00,390
Uncapolytes equipment tech.

5982
08:19:02,510 --> 08:19:08,870
5305274. Yes. 76,800. It would be 660.

5983
08:19:17,110 --> 08:19:22,770
No, I'm taking 6700. I'm going to take it 67,000.

5984
08:19:23,150 --> 08:19:35,710
67,000 from my line-up. Thank you. You regularly have overtime? No, not. Well, typically no, we have because we've been doing outreach.

5985
08:19:35,710 --> 08:19:39,370
Okay, we get rid of 10,000 and overtime and you manage your

5986
08:19:40,850 --> 08:19:42,610
Okay, you guys okay with that

5987
08:19:43,830 --> 08:19:51,030
And I've taken as Jeff stated some things and put them in state a okay, and that's probably what is it?

5988
08:19:51,430 --> 08:19:53,370
50 to 100,000 in state a

5989
08:20:00,000 --> 08:20:08,620
I think we got a good start. So we took the 67,000. We just took the 10,000 and over time. Okay. Thank you, ma'am.

5990
08:20:25,880 --> 08:20:46,500
Still like 400,000 away to get to get the rollback and to get the library was to like 400,000. Sometimes GPS recalculating. Yeah, we're at one nine three eight. Oh, yeah, so we're good. We're 200,000. There's. So from the money that's just movies for libraries.

5991
08:20:46,500 --> 08:20:53,960
from one expense account to the other expense account is not going to always raise reserves so it'll be that that we're

5992
08:20:55,180 --> 08:21:00,020
No, no, it won't be this way, there's, you're in the team.

5993
08:21:06,800 --> 08:21:09,400
I don't know, none of your constitutions.

5994
08:21:10,360 --> 08:21:11,000
How much we need left?

5995
08:21:11,560 --> 08:21:11,640
Yes.

5996
08:21:11,780 --> 08:21:12,500
Oh, you're figuring it out.

5997
08:21:12,960 --> 08:21:13,360
Yeah.

5998
08:21:14,400 --> 08:21:16,100
So please put this number back.

5999
08:21:20,920 --> 08:21:22,160
Minus five to four.

6000
08:21:31,620 --> 08:21:32,960
We're going to be on a 5 minute recess.

6001
08:33:46,700 --> 08:33:49,980
No, I'm not agonizing. I'm sorry. Developmental services.

6002
08:33:57,740 --> 08:34:03,040
Let's get to their area. There we go. Quorum,

6003
08:34:03,380 --> 08:34:05,360
forced. Thank you. Computer, please.

6004
08:34:17,820 --> 08:34:18,400
I'll make it bigger.

6005
08:34:37,720 --> 08:34:39,680
Good evening. Onward of Public Development

6006
08:34:39,680 --> 08:34:44,340
Services Director, with me is James Terry, Manager of Co-compliance.

6007
08:34:47,000 --> 08:34:49,660
I think as we review, we've talked

6008
08:34:49,660 --> 08:34:58,240
about the potential of one officer, I think I can let James speak to right now.

6009
08:34:58,240 --> 08:34:59,840
We have two code.

6010
08:35:00,000 --> 08:35:29,880
Office, officer position, open. We have one individual that moved into a different department and other one that just moved out of a state. There was one on your list for potential elimination, but right now, as a whole, if we will completely have the full amount of employees, we'd only have seven code officers for the entire county. So, that's item number one. The next big ticket item that's on your budget

6011
08:35:29,880 --> 08:35:37,940
The exit list is the 240,000, which is essentially for contract cases involving trash and debris and mowing.

6012
08:35:38,380 --> 08:35:43,220
We had exponentially increased that, the cost of some of the clean-ups.

6013
08:35:43,660 --> 08:35:47,520
I've spoken, I think, here at the board and some of the commissioners.

6014
08:35:48,000 --> 08:35:50,660
They're ranging from 60 to 80,000 per cleanup.

6015
08:35:50,760 --> 08:35:53,540
We had one incident, which was 160,000.

6016
08:35:53,580 --> 08:35:59,700
We did work with that individual to lower for him to assist us in cleaning the property.

6017
08:35:59,700 --> 08:36:03,220
but that project could still cost us 60 to 80 to clean up.

6018
08:36:04,020 --> 08:36:15,280
Revenue has, I would say, has maybe gone down a little bit, and we'll go down because of our new co-compliance process where we have the five steps with a pro-rated fees.

6019
08:36:15,680 --> 08:36:27,600
So I'll let James speak to any other irons that might be on here that he may think might be a benefit removing, but just wanted to bring those two items up because the 240 seems like a big number on the road.

6020
08:36:27,600 --> 08:36:32,060
Do we have to do that? I mean that's just like if somebody's house is like everyone we go in there and clean it all up

6021
08:36:32,060 --> 08:36:37,040
And then but I guess that's the only way to do it is to be paying us on track to them and lean in properties, right?

6022
08:36:37,460 --> 08:36:43,860
Yes, sir. I know there's like one or two of those a year. How many do you do it a year? I'm gonna do a lot of this, do you?

6023
08:36:45,340 --> 08:36:52,900
Yes, sir. The issue with that is it's kind of unpredictable like we just had a big one that would have chewed up our entire budget

6024
08:36:52,900 --> 08:36:54,780
But we're able to work with them. We're

6025
08:36:55,640 --> 08:37:05,320
The other thing is for many years, they had depleted the budget, so there's some hanging out there that probably should have been done in the last ten years and just were ignored.

6026
08:37:06,720 --> 08:37:17,580
The one in particular where we got the gentleman to cooperate, where we saved a lot of money by him working with us that would have been so expensive, was actually afforded to us by one of the commissioners.

6027
08:37:17,580 --> 08:37:30,880
And at the time, the direction of the board was, you know, we didn't want to ignore these big cleanups any longer, so we made sure we prepared to put some funds in there to, you know, follow the wishes of the board and not take that position to ignore any more.

6028
08:37:32,240 --> 08:37:42,540
There could be an opportunity to reduce that just knowing that if the priorities come up, we can't get the people to work. We may have to come back like we've done in the past with the board later.

6029
08:37:42,540 --> 08:38:06,980
So, if that were reduced, that would be something just knowing that there's a potential we would need to come mass for more depending on the impact of certain massive cleanups and of course the urgency of those cleanups, if there's chemical related things or so forth that required a sense of urgency where we can't wait or we can't give them the amount of time then back and move the needle quite a bit on that.

6030
08:38:08,020 --> 08:38:13,820
Speaking to the code officer position, just some numbers for that for consideration.

6031
08:38:14,800 --> 08:38:20,660
If we do lose the one code position, as a 14% cut to our manpower.

6032
08:38:21,320 --> 08:38:34,080
If you look at our 2025 cases, you're talking about having to find an additional 418 cases to cover, based on that percentage.

6033
08:38:34,080 --> 08:38:44,200
a thousand inspections, because we had 3,000 cases, we had 7,000 inspections roughly.

6034
08:38:45,120 --> 08:38:53,040
So that's another 1418 action items that would have to be split between six additional officers,

6035
08:38:53,580 --> 08:38:56,680
which realistically is not possible.

6036
08:38:57,000 --> 08:39:00,900
So the reality to make that up would be either overtime,

6037
08:39:00,900 --> 08:39:11,540
which, of course, wouldn't make the benefit of cutting a position if you paid it an overtime or just simply a reduction in service of how long it takes us to respond to the complaints.

6038
08:39:12,180 --> 08:39:26,500
So there would be a direct correlation, may not be the end of the world but as you know people get upset the longer it takes and that would be the direct impact of reducing staffing is the time in which we could be responsive to the citizen complaints.

6039
08:39:29,120 --> 08:39:39,400
I think that the I'd be very comfortable moving that down to 200 I think we could pull 40,000 off of that

6040
08:39:39,400 --> 08:39:45,380
to clean up and I think that's going to some room thank

6041
08:39:50,370 --> 08:39:51,430
you we'll start there

6042
08:39:51,430 --> 08:39:56,750
Mr. Champion so there's there's more to this than that so and I was talking to Omar about this we

6043
08:39:56,750 --> 08:39:59,790
change the policy law back same thing with unsafe buildings where the

6044
08:40:00,000 --> 08:40:29,460
Any money that we spend, any money we spend, not the fines, any money we spend is immediately put on the taxes the next year. When the money comes back, it goes back to the general fund. It does not go back to them. Now, in some cases, like the one you're cleaning up, the property may not be worth that. So there is some risk in it. You know, if the properties were 30 grand and it costs you 80 grand to clean up, well, guess what we're going to get stuck with the property and we're stuck with that, whatever. But that money doesn't come back. So it's almost like it could be a low number, and then James or Omar could be able to come forward and say, look,

6045
08:40:29,460 --> 08:40:35,200
We need to pull from reserves in order to clean this up, but it's going immediately on the tax bill and it comes back in November.

6046
08:40:36,020 --> 08:40:39,760
I mean, as long as the property is worth it, I mean, it's usually, most of the time it's worth it, right?

6047
08:40:39,880 --> 08:40:45,220
Especially when you turn it on the building, if it's commercial property, or if it's property, I have to house on it, obviously the value's there.

6048
08:40:46,020 --> 08:40:53,060
So we changed that policy, am I correct there Omar, that we changed that policy and that money is coming back on the taxes as long as they pay it, obviously.

6049
08:40:53,480 --> 08:40:54,300
Correct, correct.

6050
08:40:55,100 --> 08:41:22,480
So I mean, we could reduce that with the same understanding that as much as we reduce that we may have to come back on just one item alone, but we have changed the way we do the enforcement in our code compliance, we could have a case where somebody just doesn't want to cooperate, so we're not going to have that liberty, but we could reduce that number further with the board understanding that we might have to come back on a large ticket item.

6051
08:41:22,480 --> 08:41:24,600
What if your recommendation commission or champion?

6052
08:41:25,460 --> 08:41:31,020
Well, he said 140. I think that's a minimum cut 100 from it, and we're gonna have to do it's right if you come back in front of us

6053
08:41:31,020 --> 08:41:36,100
That's what you said more you I think I think they leave a hundred thousand maybe a hundred thousand there

6054
08:41:36,100 --> 08:41:39,320
And I like to do anything that if we have to come back to do a emergency

6055
08:41:39,920 --> 08:41:42,400
That way it has to be and it will have to evaluate that one on one

6056
08:41:42,400 --> 08:41:46,880
But the money is coming back and we're not we're not talking about that that money comes back and I say buildings

6057
08:41:46,880 --> 08:41:49,360
And as a go back to building environment that money comes back from code

6058
08:41:49,360 --> 08:41:56,040
It doesn't go to code. It comes back to the general fund, you know, and that money is coming back because we have very few properties

6059
08:41:56,040 --> 08:42:00,420
So the county so it's coming back and some kind of revenue somewhere, you know, um, so I

6060
08:42:01,020 --> 08:42:04,980
It's one hand washing the other, you know me. So I don't think it's necessary to have a quarter million dollars

6061
08:42:04,980 --> 08:42:05,500
Sure

6062
08:42:05,500 --> 08:42:10,500
Well, I'd rather see that in kind of position because I think you guys are good. You have some really good momentum. James

6063
08:42:10,500 --> 08:42:13,940
You're doing a great job. That's far from it. That was good. That was a good move

6064
08:42:14,680 --> 08:42:16,060
So I think you're doing a good job

6065
08:42:16,060 --> 08:42:24,440
But I rather see that, and we were talking even about if you guys were listening to the short-term rental conversation, you know, nights and weekends.

6066
08:42:24,800 --> 08:42:35,980
And so if we make a move there, which I think, you know, based on our decision, I think that's the option we have, that we're going to need that other additional revenue.

6067
08:42:37,140 --> 08:42:44,320
So I think the, I think the kind of it from the what we're talking about it, I think it'd be the best idea, Commissioner Lacka.

6068
08:42:44,440 --> 08:42:50,280
Yeah, so one of the questions that you were mentioning about potentially like chemicals or something like that.

6069
08:42:50,380 --> 08:42:54,240
When we get into that situation, are we getting into like DEP and other state agencies?

6070
08:42:55,180 --> 08:43:02,520
I mean, if we had one of those situations where they had some toxic materials or something, is that still going to be a county responsibility?

6071
08:43:02,560 --> 08:43:04,460
Are we going to get state agencies in for that?

6072
08:43:04,460 --> 08:43:04,500
Yeah.

6073
08:43:04,720 --> 08:43:05,320
Turn it over.

6074
08:43:08,040 --> 08:43:12,840
The Florida Department of Health is in charge of humiliating San Three landfills, which

6075
08:43:12,840 --> 08:43:17,160
is a, you know, everything's just gross for lack of better term.

6076
08:43:17,720 --> 08:43:17,960
Okay.

6077
08:43:18,120 --> 08:43:22,340
So, if we were in one of those situations, we wouldn't, we would be okay because we would

6078
08:43:22,340 --> 08:43:24,400
go to the Department of Health to deal with it at that point.

6079
08:43:25,320 --> 08:43:29,020
Yes, but we would also, I mean, we have to have somebody there in case they don't.

6080
08:43:30,840 --> 08:43:37,020
If I may, we have, it was a minor situation we had an individual who was dumping, he was

6081
08:43:37,020 --> 08:43:40,160
working on his vehicles at his house and was dumping all the oil in the backyard.

6082
08:43:41,280 --> 08:43:44,460
We rest out, it wasn't a case big enough for the EP to consider.

6083
08:43:45,440 --> 08:43:50,520
And so, in some cases, we might run into an issue where it doesn't meet their threshold.

6084
08:43:51,380 --> 08:43:53,340
I don't know what that is, and I don't want to speak out of the term.

6085
08:43:53,840 --> 08:43:54,440
Help me, help me.

6086
08:43:54,500 --> 08:43:56,120
So what are we going to do in that situation?

6087
08:43:56,120 --> 08:43:58,540
We're going to get a judge to hell so he can go in and dig up the graph.

6088
08:43:58,540 --> 08:43:59,920
Yes, they got the dirt.

6089
08:44:00,160 --> 08:44:05,700
We would have to find a contractor or a service that would assist us in the clean-up, yes sir.

6090
08:44:06,160 --> 08:44:06,360
Okay.

6091
08:44:06,920 --> 08:44:07,820
All right, thank you.

6092
08:44:07,960 --> 08:44:09,800
I just want to make sure I understood where we were going with that.

6093
08:44:09,940 --> 08:44:10,420
Appreciate that.

6094
08:44:10,740 --> 08:44:11,120
Thank you, sir.

6095
08:44:11,280 --> 08:44:11,740
30, gentlemen.

6096
08:44:12,260 --> 08:44:12,620
Oh, I'm sorry.

6097
08:44:13,120 --> 08:44:13,920
I have to start off.

6098
08:44:14,460 --> 08:44:16,940
Ladies, you have the $140,000.

6099
08:44:16,940 --> 08:44:18,020
I believe it's $140,000.

6100
08:44:19,820 --> 08:44:20,180
Okay.

6101
08:44:21,400 --> 08:44:27,420
And was that direction the, leave the co-position out, or do you say, I think we're leaving it in?

6102
08:44:27,420 --> 08:44:30,100
So you're putting the code position back in

6103
08:44:33,040 --> 08:44:38,080
There's a dish he off there was additional one of the one that I took out of the budget is that staying at that one

6104
08:44:38,080 --> 08:44:40,700
Stay now. Okay. Yes. Yes. The other one you get to keep the other position

6105
08:44:40,700 --> 08:44:42,520
Yeah, you offered up a position

6106
08:44:42,520 --> 08:44:47,120
Okay, right just now it was on the list for potential cut. Yes. He was talking about the one that

6107
08:44:47,120 --> 08:44:51,140
Administrator writers are he put on the list. Oh, it's already it was already took it out

6108
08:44:52,000 --> 08:44:52,400
Okay

6109
08:44:53,180 --> 08:44:59,980
That's the one that I'm talking about.

6110
08:45:00,340 --> 08:45:30,320
How much are we talking about for that position? I would say probably it's $50,000, so that's been probably $85,000. $85,000, but you'll just get you take it out. I mean, you want to take it out of the rest of that fund. I mean, we're going to run into the same conversation that we just had. There's other incentives in the future of Airbnb's and we're going to be down to six officers for 640 square miles of Hernando County, which is a twire. I mean, I had a deck of the

6111
08:45:30,320 --> 08:45:38,780
As I tried to re-cut the non-reoccurring revenue, I tried to distribute it to many different people that impact in the only library people that are here today.

6112
08:45:39,000 --> 08:45:43,240
I mean, as far as I'm talking about it, I mean, to distribute the impact across the county.

6113
08:45:44,020 --> 08:45:52,880
I mean, I'm not going to say it's gloom and doom, but if that position is cut, it certainly is going to affect the service and time we can respond.

6114
08:45:52,880 --> 08:46:00,880
So I just ask the gentleman to be understanding that when the people call because they typically like to go to the commissioners and

6115
08:46:00,880 --> 08:46:05,640
You know say they're not getting a quick response and everything and often it's true

6116
08:46:05,640 --> 08:46:08,900
Unfortunately some of it's the system some of it's the workload

6117
08:46:08,900 --> 08:46:14,840
But that was certainly worsen if we lose this spot and again not the end of the world

6118
08:46:14,840 --> 08:46:18,180
But I just want to be clear on the reality of what it would be

6119
08:46:18,180 --> 08:46:22,080
so you'd rather keep that 100,000 in

6120
08:46:22,080 --> 08:46:27,500
in the fund. I think we have to have some degree of money in there or we're almost certainly

6121
08:46:27,500 --> 08:46:36,540
going to be coming back to you. And I think that the 100,000 might get it done. But I think

6122
08:46:36,540 --> 08:46:42,940
that I honestly think we're just moving the money at that point going lower than 100. Okay.

6123
08:46:44,200 --> 08:46:49,380
Unfortunately, my opinion is I don't think we can add it back in at this point in the position

6124
08:46:49,380 --> 08:46:56,340
where I are talking about adding the code officer back in, but I'll leave it up to you guys.

6125
08:47:00,190 --> 08:47:00,430
Okay.

6126
08:47:01,250 --> 08:47:05,670
Well, maybe we'll get amazing news from the Constitutionals in September.

6127
08:47:06,030 --> 08:47:06,870
I think about it.

6128
08:47:06,890 --> 08:47:07,030
Right.

6129
08:47:07,650 --> 08:47:07,950
Understood.

6130
08:47:08,810 --> 08:47:09,510
Oh, we

6131
08:47:12,740 --> 08:47:13,520
got to be close with that.

6132
08:47:16,560 --> 08:47:18,420
Tony, I think you should bring that up.

6133
08:47:19,580 --> 08:47:20,140
Good to on.

6134
08:47:20,560 --> 08:47:21,280
It's ready.

6135
08:47:22,020 --> 08:47:22,880
You know, the troll thing.

6136
08:47:22,880 --> 08:47:30,420
I was talking to chief earlier, and mosquito control, local mosquito control is transferred from general fund.

6137
08:47:30,700 --> 08:47:32,600
We have some reserves sitting in their fund.

6138
08:47:35,630 --> 08:47:37,210
We could probably take those reserves.

6139
08:47:37,670 --> 08:47:38,870
We've got reserves in there for.

6140
08:47:39,070 --> 08:47:39,310
All right.

6141
08:47:39,330 --> 08:47:40,450
Can you tell me the amount?

6142
08:47:41,930 --> 08:47:42,550
That's a good amount.

6143
08:47:42,730 --> 08:47:45,870
Mark, and you tell us mosquito reserves.

6144
08:47:47,370 --> 08:47:49,070
Not their grant, the local.

6145
08:47:57,220 --> 08:48:01,600
We get great dollars and state funds in there for

6146
08:48:04,000 --> 08:48:12,140
the number again before we need 249-367 the reserves are 302-34

6147
08:48:12,140 --> 08:48:15,500
All right, there it is, we can go wipe it out

6148
08:48:18,860 --> 08:48:22,520
Thank you, thank you

6149
08:48:25,260 --> 08:48:30,860
Okay, I'm happy to keep going with this exercise at the department.

6150
08:48:31,600 --> 08:48:32,540
Oh, we don't have a department.

6151
08:48:33,080 --> 08:48:33,500
I have one.

6152
08:48:33,880 --> 08:48:35,060
For a general fund.

6153
08:48:35,480 --> 08:48:37,420
What other department do we have last?

6154
08:48:38,360 --> 08:48:41,420
Well, there are the other rollback rates, the other villages.

6155
08:48:42,800 --> 08:48:44,760
We have plenty of zoning, but I don't want you to.

6156
08:48:44,980 --> 08:48:47,360
I mean, I don't want you to do any zoning.

6157
08:48:47,360 --> 08:48:47,800
I need.

6158
08:48:49,340 --> 08:48:49,780
Okay.

6159
08:48:50,840 --> 08:48:57,580
So that's where we started off with EMS with chief, and I think he has the information

6160
08:48:57,580 --> 08:49:00,700
you were looking for regarding that reduction.

6161
08:49:09,950 --> 08:49:11,070
Paul Haasmire, Fire Chief.

6162
08:49:11,070 --> 08:49:11,970
That was safety direction.

6163
08:49:12,570 --> 08:49:12,610
Thank you.

6164
08:49:12,630 --> 08:49:25,310
So I'm going to see you for EMS, about 278,000 change, you can do fiscally, fiscal sustainability

6165
08:49:25,310 --> 08:49:25,870
for.

6166
08:49:25,870 --> 08:49:32,250
we have the reserves to do it. So that's one option. I don't really want to

6167
08:49:32,250 --> 08:49:38,090
recommend cutting any of the project, the infrastructure projects and things

6168
08:49:38,090 --> 08:49:43,150
that we share between fire and EMI. Some of those things need really need to be

6169
08:49:43,150 --> 08:49:48,830
done so we can maintain the infrastructure and some of the equipment. The other

6170
08:49:48,830 --> 08:49:59,890
option is if to cut 300,000 essentially that's three positions, three FTEs. So that's an option.

6171
08:50:00,000 --> 08:50:17,960
motion, not a great option, because we're busy. I think the bus recommendation is take that out of reserves to be at the rollback rate for. And your car, you would be comfortable with the remaining reserve balance. Yes. Okay. I say we do that. You guys good with that.

6172
08:50:23,280 --> 08:50:31,610
Thank you, sir. Thank you for both of those, Mesquite, the money and all right, Paul.

6173
08:50:32,230 --> 08:50:45,070
I spoke with Mr. Hearing earlier and he said for transportation that would be fine to remove from reserves or we can have him come up to discuss.

6174
08:50:45,070 --> 08:50:45,190
Yes.

6175
08:50:45,770 --> 08:50:47,670
I need some minor amount next hand.

6176
08:50:48,010 --> 08:50:48,250
Okay.

6177
08:50:48,530 --> 08:50:48,650
Okay.

6178
08:50:50,930 --> 08:50:51,750
And then.

6179
08:50:52,350 --> 08:50:53,590
How much are we over?

6180
08:50:53,790 --> 08:50:54,410
How much are we over?

6181
08:50:55,830 --> 08:50:56,270
52.

6182
08:50:56,570 --> 08:50:57,310
That was a nice amount.

6183
08:50:57,630 --> 08:50:57,870
Okay.

6184
08:51:00,760 --> 08:51:02,520
I think we're going to have changes in.

6185
08:51:02,640 --> 08:51:04,120
We already told you this is going to be other.

6186
08:51:04,420 --> 08:51:06,860
The state and the mandates continue to go up.

6187
08:51:07,020 --> 08:51:07,700
So I would just.

6188
08:51:08,660 --> 08:51:09,100
You only look.

6189
08:51:09,840 --> 08:51:11,060
You're going to need some.

6190
08:51:11,060 --> 08:51:11,480
We're going to need some.

6191
08:51:11,660 --> 08:51:12,040
Okay.

6192
08:51:12,940 --> 08:51:13,560
All right.

6193
08:51:13,820 --> 08:51:14,540
So storm water.

6194
08:51:14,920 --> 08:51:16,060
I don't have to be that.

6195
08:51:16,220 --> 08:51:16,540
I guess.

6196
08:51:16,540 --> 08:51:22,160
Yes, they also have reserves and I can pull that up if you want to look at it. Let's take it for

6197
08:51:22,780 --> 08:51:23,980
Who is that that?

6198
08:51:24,360 --> 08:51:27,340
Well, are you comfortable with taking that for reserves? Okay

6199
08:51:28,100 --> 08:51:31,060
Okay, so now we're down to health's parliament. Yes

6200
08:51:33,460 --> 08:51:38,380
I'm sure how much is it 33,000? Yes, and they have

6201
08:51:41,160 --> 08:51:46,000
So good and then that will bring us down to the rollback rate

6202
08:51:46,800 --> 08:51:56,900
for each of me. I have a alarm. Okay. Awesome. Keep that list out. Okay. Oh no. We have to have at least. All right. So tell us what we're cutting.

6203
08:51:59,570 --> 08:52:06,910
So for CIP projects, you have from natural resources, the Cypress Lakes Observation Boardwalk that you can see at water plants.

6204
08:52:06,910 --> 08:52:12,190
going to get into it in front of the speaker the way it's on or you can do it up there.

6205
08:52:12,510 --> 08:52:15,410
Do you need to put it as loud when it needs to be loud recorded? Yes.

6206
08:52:16,310 --> 08:52:19,050
That way because we'll get all by tomorrow morning. It's been a long day.

6207
08:52:19,470 --> 08:52:22,870
We need to hear it again. I'm sure we get it all right. You don't have to play.

6208
08:52:25,220 --> 08:52:30,880
So for CIP projects with natural resources is the Cypress Lakes Observation Boardwalk

6209
08:52:30,880 --> 08:52:35,760
the JNC get water plant renovation and the hermando beach boat

6210
08:52:35,760 --> 08:52:42,060
rambri surfacing as well as the Peck sink ADA parking sidewalk and kiosk.

6211
08:52:42,100 --> 08:52:43,840
For our total of what?

6212
08:52:44,040 --> 08:52:44,320
CIP?

6213
08:52:45,880 --> 08:52:47,960
Total CIP at

6214
08:52:51,230 --> 08:52:57,490
725,000 from natural resources and 100,000 from Parks and Rec.

6215
08:52:59,580 --> 08:53:02,320
And the Parks and Rec project is the Ernie Weaver shop replacement.

6216
08:53:04,840 --> 08:53:05,600
Thank you, ma'am.

6217
08:53:05,600 --> 08:53:06,520
And

6218
08:53:09,880 --> 08:53:13,960
then also for natural resources, they're contracted services of 100,000.

6219
08:53:15,420 --> 08:53:19,460
MASH Transit expenses not covered by grants for 10,000.

6220
08:53:20,180 --> 08:53:22,960
Economic development reserves of 200,000.

6221
08:53:23,620 --> 08:53:26,700
To clerk of the court positions for 200,000.

6222
08:53:27,320 --> 08:53:29,920
The BOCC travel per DM for 10,000.

6223
08:53:30,560 --> 08:53:33,940
The BOCC contracted services line of 120,000.

6224
08:53:34,620 --> 08:53:37,380
OMB contracted services for 9,000.

6225
08:53:37,380 --> 08:53:43,440
H.R. Professional Services for 45,800 procurement using

6226
08:53:43,440 --> 08:53:47,880
memberships for the Amazon Prime is 4,000 additional

6227
08:53:47,880 --> 08:53:51,640
chancee get professional services of 5,000 parks and rack

6228
08:53:51,640 --> 08:53:55,720
materials and signs of 30,000 library uncap equipment

6229
08:53:55,720 --> 08:54:03,000
tech 67,000 library over time for 10,000 and then code I took

6230
08:54:03,000 --> 08:54:06,320
the name. It was like the special class assessments the

6231
08:54:06,320 --> 08:54:11,300
$140,000 and then mosquito control reserves of $302,344.

6232
08:54:11,500 --> 08:54:12,000
Awesome.

6233
08:54:12,300 --> 08:54:12,860
Thank you.

6234
08:54:14,120 --> 08:54:14,980
Senator Rogers.

6235
08:54:15,260 --> 08:54:17,220
And if I can get clarification, those are the cuts,

6236
08:54:17,220 --> 08:54:19,440
and then the other change to the budget

6237
08:54:20,090 --> 08:54:25,600
would be the inclusion of the seven positions from the library

6238
08:54:25,600 --> 08:54:28,060
that I had removed from the budget, correct?

6239
08:54:29,220 --> 08:54:29,880
And that would be it.

6240
08:54:30,060 --> 08:54:31,180
It's only a touch on the change.

6241
08:54:31,380 --> 08:54:32,620
It's a pleasure

6242
08:54:35,240 --> 08:54:35,720
as a board.

6243
08:54:35,720 --> 08:54:39,980
or what do we, you need to make a motion to have those changes in the budget.

6244
08:54:39,980 --> 08:54:41,540
Yes, you need to make a motion to amend it.

6245
08:54:42,200 --> 08:54:45,060
That the budget, the budget, the budget, and the manager just described.

6246
08:54:45,400 --> 08:54:48,160
I'll make the motion to amend the budget so that it's described.

6247
08:54:48,780 --> 08:54:49,200
Thank you.

6248
08:54:49,520 --> 08:54:53,640
I got a motion by Commissioner Alaco, a second by Commissioner Champion.

6249
08:54:54,460 --> 08:54:55,460
Any further discussion?

6250
08:54:57,910 --> 08:54:59,610
Do we have to go to?

6251
08:55:00,210 --> 08:55:11,250
Public comment again. We've already had public comment once. I mean, we've very done public comment. So it's only one agenda item on the agenda. Okay.

6252
08:55:15,100 --> 08:55:32,560
All in favor. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Passes for zero. Any further business, Mr. Administrator? No. The first budget public hearing is on Thursday, September 10, at 501. These chambers. Thank you.

6253
08:55:32,560 --> 08:55:41,020
Okay, I'll just say that, you know, this is a really proud day for this board.

6254
08:55:41,500 --> 08:55:47,420
We worked together, appreciate all of your work, appreciate all of the work from staff.

6255
08:55:48,100 --> 08:55:51,480
Again, we work together, we're in this together for a better Hernando.

6256
08:55:52,080 --> 08:55:54,000
So I'm proud to be one of you as well.

6257
08:55:54,340 --> 08:55:55,200
Thank you very much.

6258
08:55:56,020 --> 08:55:58,340
We're adjourned. It's 551. You'll have a great night.