1
00:00:06,770 --> 00:00:13,690
Good afternoon. I would like to call this workshop to order it to a 1 p.m. We'll begin with our presentations.

2
00:00:13,890 --> 00:00:29,150
Item number 127-3990, presentation of resolution R27-006, bell and oak property and ed plant survey by Mr. Reagan, director of facilities and construction. Good afternoon, Mr. Reagan.

3
00:00:29,150 --> 00:00:33,650
Good afternoon, Madam Chair, Superintendent Pender and board members.

4
00:00:34,510 --> 00:00:40,510
I'm here to give you a presentation about some property we own on the corner of Belle and Oak Street.

5
00:00:41,090 --> 00:00:45,230
That has been recommended for this position.

6
00:00:46,550 --> 00:00:56,490
We went through this recently with the cowgirl citrus wave property, so it's the same procedure, so I'm not going to bore y'all with all these details on this slide.

7
00:00:56,490 --> 00:01:03,390
But I will go through the procedure in each slide as to what the steps are.

8
00:01:04,590 --> 00:01:12,370
The first thing this parcel is, you'll notice here at the bottom, the little green

9
00:01:12,370 --> 00:01:15,370
square, a lot 14 at the bottom of the screen.

10
00:01:16,010 --> 00:01:21,810
That's that parcel itself that's highlighted there in the tail kind of, I say green, it's

11
00:01:21,810 --> 00:01:31,330
green but it's a different color green kind of any way it's right there at the bottom is

12
00:01:31,330 --> 00:01:39,190
everybody's see understand okay so it's point two acres which is only 8800 square feet we

13
00:01:39,190 --> 00:01:47,190
bought it in 1961 for $10 so I don't know if that was a deal or not but I wasn't here

14
00:01:47,190 --> 00:01:55,550
in. This first step is the Ed Plant Survey. So we've already had that prepared and sent it

15
00:01:55,550 --> 00:02:02,430
to DOE. They said it's approval by us if your board approves it. So that would be the first

16
00:02:02,430 --> 00:02:09,730
thing we would bring the all in a board meeting for approval followed by a subsequent meeting.

17
00:02:09,730 --> 00:02:16,030
We would bring the board resolution that gives superintendent pender the authority to dispose

18
00:02:16,030 --> 00:02:18,350
of the property per Florida statute.

19
00:02:20,150 --> 00:02:25,990
And the third step is Council had determined that the property would not need to be offered

20
00:02:25,990 --> 00:02:30,730
to charter schools because we haven't offered it to any other schools in the district,

21
00:02:30,970 --> 00:02:36,070
the way the statutes written and has been interpreted by a couple of people smarter than

22
00:02:36,070 --> 00:02:40,830
me is that if we don't offer it to higher schools, we don't have to offer it to charter

23
00:02:40,830 --> 00:02:41,330
schools.

24
00:02:41,330 --> 00:02:43,090
So that's their stance.

25
00:02:46,500 --> 00:02:49,600
Then the fourth step would be a praisel,

26
00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,000
which y'all can guide me on that,

27
00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,660
if you're agreeable to move forward with this.

28
00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,720
The tax assessor valued this at 21,000.

29
00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,940
The praisals gonna cost 355,500 depending on who's next on the list.

30
00:03:08,220 --> 00:03:10,300
And it's like, is it worth spending that much

31
00:03:10,300 --> 00:03:11,980
to find out what is worth?

32
00:03:11,980 --> 00:03:18,840
We've had some interest in the property through the years, so it might be a, you know,

33
00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,000
take beds or something.

34
00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:27,040
I don't know whatever y'all's desire is, but I wouldn't recommend for sure, getting

35
00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:32,240
two appraisals because you're going to get half the cost, you know, what it's appraised

36
00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:32,480
for.

37
00:03:32,940 --> 00:03:38,740
The tax assessor, which could be wrong to the actual sale of the property.

38
00:03:38,740 --> 00:03:42,720
The, as I said, there's been a lot of inquiries about it.

39
00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,780
The location could be desirable, even though it's a small lot.

40
00:03:47,780 --> 00:03:51,260
The superintendent would determine if it's in the best interest of the public to list

41
00:03:51,260 --> 00:03:56,280
with a real attorney, negotiate a sale, or put it up for bid or auction.

42
00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:03,760
And if we did a real attorney fees would be paid by the district unless we negotiated

43
00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,720
into the purchase agreement where the buyer paid them, there is some value to

44
00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:13,480
using a really normal private sale, like prepare agreements, assist with not negotiations, etc.

45
00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:19,640
If we put it up for auction, I think an auction here would get a cut out of that too.

46
00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,800
So that's different methods and you all may have some other things.

47
00:04:24,860 --> 00:04:30,700
I think the resolution kind of gets him the lead way to do what's in the best interest of the district for that.

48
00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:36,880
And then the funds, once we close, we got the money on the other one,

49
00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,820
and it went to finance and then they would make sure it was put back into the original funding source.

50
00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,700
If we knew, if not, it has to go into capital out late projects.

51
00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,240
And that's just some general information there.

52
00:04:51,540 --> 00:04:52,840
So that's all I've got.

53
00:04:52,940 --> 00:04:55,540
If you've got any questions or comments.

54
00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:56,640
Mr. Ball.

55
00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,960
Is there enough square footage on with the...

56
00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,820
A lot to build a house on it according to the city.

57
00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:13,440
From what I saw driving through, well, I will say yes because my lot 7,000 square feet and I've got a house on it.

58
00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,540
So, within the city.

59
00:05:17,060 --> 00:05:23,800
No, ma'am. No, I'm in the county, but so I would think a small house should be able to fit on there.

60
00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,540
I didn't, I just didn't know if the city had a regulation on the number of square feet

61
00:05:28,540 --> 00:05:32,880
allowed the build a house on the certain sized property.

62
00:05:33,540 --> 00:05:34,120
Yeah, I'm not sure.

63
00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:38,360
I'm sure they have some regulations and setbacks and all of that, but I don't have them,

64
00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,220
you know, in front of me,

65
00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:46,900
so any further questions, Board,

66
00:05:49,550 --> 00:05:51,270
do we want to have him go out

67
00:05:51,270 --> 00:05:51,810
for an appraisal?

68
00:05:51,910 --> 00:05:58,670
I think that was part of the question, or do we want to just list it for the 21, 21,

69
00:05:58,670 --> 00:06:04,790
and 168 is that what you listed for or that's just that's the tax assessor's value and keep in mind.

70
00:06:05,130 --> 00:06:12,030
He listed he had 40,000 on the I don't know their methodology but he had 40,000 on that landlock.

71
00:06:12,030 --> 00:06:18,470
One acre that we sold and we only got like 20 something and to me this parcel would be more valuable than that.

72
00:06:18,610 --> 00:06:26,970
So I think that's just a they have a more factors that go into it than just I don't know what their methodology is but this could be worth more.

73
00:06:26,970 --> 00:06:28,630
could be worth less.

74
00:06:29,590 --> 00:06:30,430
Superintendents, Pender.

75
00:06:31,090 --> 00:06:31,250
OK.

76
00:06:31,630 --> 00:06:34,890
OK, Mr. Ball, don't we have an agreement already

77
00:06:34,890 --> 00:06:36,550
with the real estate?

78
00:06:36,770 --> 00:06:37,470
Yes, ma'am.

79
00:06:37,510 --> 00:06:38,690
We need to, OK.

80
00:06:39,430 --> 00:06:42,770
So it's not looking to try to find someone new.

81
00:06:43,050 --> 00:06:43,830
We have a company.

82
00:06:44,110 --> 00:06:44,490
Correct.

83
00:06:45,210 --> 00:06:45,270
OK.

84
00:06:45,590 --> 00:06:47,290
It's just choosing if we want to get a.

85
00:06:47,810 --> 00:06:49,510
I'm going to list it with the real estate.

86
00:06:50,150 --> 00:06:50,370
What?

87
00:06:50,370 --> 00:06:52,210
Why don't we risk it on it?

88
00:06:52,290 --> 00:06:54,250
When we list it with our realtor,

89
00:06:54,290 --> 00:06:55,550
and let him have it.

90
00:06:55,550 --> 00:07:00,090
just go with it. It's not when I tell you about a terrible amount of money, either way you look at it.

91
00:07:00,090 --> 00:07:04,230
Right. Well, like $35,000. Around $3,500, but not to do it twice to just do it twice.

92
00:07:04,230 --> 00:07:06,090
Right. Do it twice. Yeah, you'd have to do it twice.

93
00:07:06,350 --> 00:07:10,030
Let our insurance guy are our real estate broker. It's willing to do it.

94
00:07:10,070 --> 00:07:13,890
So let's see what price you can back with. That's a simple way.

95
00:07:14,310 --> 00:07:17,550
Mr. Rodriguez, I don't want to incur any extra expenses on it.

96
00:07:19,610 --> 00:07:23,630
Wouldn't the real estate, like our real estate person, be able to tell us, like,

97
00:07:23,630 --> 00:07:26,730
parables and just use that instead of a $3,500.

98
00:07:27,270 --> 00:07:28,050
Yes, that's what I was going to say.

99
00:07:28,250 --> 00:07:29,110
They wouldn't do an appraisal.

100
00:07:29,330 --> 00:07:34,030
They would do a valuation, which they would just say, you know, this is our best estimate

101
00:07:34,030 --> 00:07:38,450
of what it's worth, but we're not, they're going to disclame that they're not appraisers.

102
00:07:38,630 --> 00:07:39,510
They're not going to do an investigation.

103
00:07:39,750 --> 00:07:40,990
So we wouldn't have to essentially get.

104
00:07:41,350 --> 00:07:43,070
It would be no cost for that.

105
00:07:43,790 --> 00:07:47,850
And then once the land sold, what fund does it go into?

106
00:07:47,990 --> 00:07:51,570
Does it also go into the capital outlay fund where the original payment goes?

107
00:07:51,570 --> 00:07:56,790
Yeah, I doubt if we'll be able to trace where the $10 came from in 1961, so it'll go back to capital.

108
00:07:56,810 --> 00:07:58,670
So all of it will go back to capital soon.

109
00:07:58,930 --> 00:08:01,030
I think you just want to clarification on that.

110
00:08:01,590 --> 00:08:03,150
Any further discussion board, Mr. Johnson?

111
00:08:03,470 --> 00:08:04,630
I can get mad on it.

112
00:08:04,890 --> 00:08:06,710
Maybe we can get mad to do some research.

113
00:08:07,490 --> 00:08:08,150
He's a historian.

114
00:08:09,410 --> 00:08:10,070
All right.

115
00:08:10,470 --> 00:08:11,250
Anything further, Mr. Reggie?

116
00:08:11,310 --> 00:08:11,750
No, ma'am.

117
00:08:12,130 --> 00:08:12,810
I appreciate it.

118
00:08:12,810 --> 00:08:13,750
Thank you for your time.

119
00:08:13,850 --> 00:08:14,670
Thank you.

120
00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:19,660
All right.

121
00:08:19,940 --> 00:08:20,640
Item number two.

122
00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:30,320
2427-4022 review and tentative approval of the 2728 controlled choice plan by Niston Williams supervisor of school choice.

123
00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:35,220
Welcome, Dawn.

124
00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:36,480
Ms. Williams.

125
00:08:38,210 --> 00:08:39,110
Good afternoon.

126
00:08:39,990 --> 00:08:44,090
Superintendent Madden chair, board chair, board members.

127
00:08:44,890 --> 00:08:51,310
I am here to present the controlled choice plan for the 2728 school year.

128
00:08:52,450 --> 00:08:55,930
I'll be going over the outline of revisions,

129
00:09:12,100 --> 00:09:25,340
so all the dates in the 27-28 controlled choice plan have been changed to reflect the 26-27 school year and the page number, I also inserted a page number this year.

130
00:09:25,340 --> 00:09:29,680
On page one, I think that would correspond to page 93 in your binders.

131
00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:37,880
I deleted McCay and under, I deleted McCay and under examples of school choice options.

132
00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:43,400
So McCay used to be there as a scholarship that McCay was folded into the family

133
00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:48,920
empowerment scholarships. That was outdated language. On page two that are A, I deleted

134
00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:53,900
the home education language about playing sports at a non-zone school because, currently,

135
00:09:53,900 --> 00:09:57,960
any home education kids can participate in any school in the district.

136
00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:08,240
And that would of course, bottom to your page 94. On page 7, which corresponds to your page 99, I deleted

137
00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:14,380
the McCase Scholarship again and then under the IB program, I deleted district and added

138
00:10:14,380 --> 00:10:21,340
school and under the ACE program, I deleted and the district. So for those two programs, families

139
00:10:21,340 --> 00:10:25,600
go directly through the school and then they send me their roster of students that they've

140
00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:32,820
accepted into their programs, and so that's those are the revisions for the 27-28 controlled

141
00:10:32,820 --> 00:10:37,340
choice plan, and at this time, if you have any questions for me?

142
00:10:37,900 --> 00:10:38,760
Any questions?

143
00:10:39,020 --> 00:10:39,560
Mr. Volk?

144
00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:41,980
Yeah, go first.

145
00:10:44,620 --> 00:10:44,840
Okay.

146
00:10:45,140 --> 00:10:55,860
Going to the application process, I'm going to ask stuff that's probably not what you've just

147
00:10:55,860 --> 00:10:56,540
going over.

148
00:10:57,220 --> 00:11:03,980
So this is application process, letter D, schools at capacity.

149
00:11:08,170 --> 00:11:15,530
Do you know, it here it says referred to the capacity report that's posted on the controlled choice web page.

150
00:11:16,630 --> 00:11:19,870
Do you know what those schools are for 2627?

151
00:11:20,710 --> 00:11:23,650
Currently, I'm updating them, working to update.

152
00:11:23,870 --> 00:11:25,550
I was waiting after the 10 day count.

153
00:11:25,550 --> 00:11:33,610
I have the capacity, the updated capacity from the end of this last school year, so I'll be working on that this week.

154
00:11:35,910 --> 00:11:41,310
There are a few schools that aren't capacity, but yeah, that will be listed.

155
00:11:41,350 --> 00:11:44,110
That will be posted on the controlled choice website.

156
00:11:45,670 --> 00:11:46,890
It's not changed.

157
00:11:47,570 --> 00:11:48,910
Do you think from last year?

158
00:11:49,070 --> 00:11:49,690
Yes, probably.

159
00:11:50,670 --> 00:11:50,690
Okay.

160
00:11:50,690 --> 00:11:54,990
We've offered more choice seats this year than we've had in the past.

161
00:11:55,370 --> 00:11:58,830
So should we change this number or just leave it alone for?

162
00:12:03,930 --> 00:12:05,350
Well, that I believe is state statute.

163
00:12:05,530 --> 00:12:06,670
The 90 percent.

164
00:12:06,730 --> 00:12:06,890
Yeah.

165
00:12:07,210 --> 00:12:10,490
But sometimes we're not following that.

166
00:12:11,790 --> 00:12:14,090
No, it's only offered choice if it's at 90 percent.

167
00:12:14,090 --> 00:12:14,430
Correct.

168
00:12:14,670 --> 00:12:15,130
90 percent.

169
00:12:15,330 --> 00:12:16,530
We no longer offer choice.

170
00:12:16,550 --> 00:12:16,970
Correct.

171
00:12:17,330 --> 00:12:19,050
Because we're then concerned of the capacity.

172
00:12:19,770 --> 00:12:24,090
But if they're up at 90 percent or above, then they're not eligible to choice into that school.

173
00:12:24,090 --> 00:12:55,380
correct because we have to reserve 10% for zone kids. That is correct. All right. Thank you for the clarification. Just don't know the the names of those schools at this point. Right. Top of my head, all like it suncoats comes to my elementary school. Powell for sure nature coast. It's okay. If you can give that information to us. When you have it, it would be great. Sure. I'll be updating it this week. Like I said, they stopped the 10 day count. So Powell's only at 90.

174
00:12:55,560 --> 00:13:01,300
percent capacity, then. I don't know the exact number. Yeah, okay.

175
00:13:04,590 --> 00:13:11,810
Ms. Bonsick. So, our preference for our mission into our school choice gives preference

176
00:13:11,810 --> 00:13:18,690
for siblings, but our magnet doesn't. And I know we've all spoke about this before, but why

177
00:13:18,690 --> 00:13:25,430
can't they match for our school, because a magnet is a choice too. So, why can't our preference

178
00:13:25,430 --> 00:13:31,530
is much. Does that make sense? No, it makes absolutely okay. We're going to come into that.

179
00:13:32,010 --> 00:13:35,990
Okay. So next. On the next one. Yeah. Okay. I just wanted to bring it because we do have

180
00:13:35,990 --> 00:13:40,450
preference for siblings for choice. And that'll be in my presentation for the next one.

181
00:13:40,730 --> 00:13:44,590
Okay. Perfect. Thank you. Mr. Paul, did you have something further? Sorry.

182
00:13:45,090 --> 00:13:50,610
It's okay. Under resending of approved school choice

183
00:13:53,170 --> 00:13:54,790
letter E,

184
00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,620
it just talks about there's two

185
00:13:59,620 --> 00:14:07,220
two questions here. It talks only about students who commit level four offenses. And level

186
00:14:07,220 --> 00:14:15,600
three in our code of conduct has some very, those are, it's a major offenses. So I'd like to

187
00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:26,280
know what the school board thinks about adding Burby Jen about level three, and perhaps more

188
00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:27,300
And importantly,

189
00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,000
it says we'll be returned to their zoned district.

190
00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,900
This is going to get into something I'm going to ask in another question.

191
00:14:39,300 --> 00:14:40,260
But there's no timeline.

192
00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:54,440
So that, as I have seen in situations has created some problems with not having a timeline.

193
00:14:55,420 --> 00:14:59,980
We do, we do have the best practices around recending school choice.

194
00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:06,760
There's actually processes, procedures that least are properly and I developed several years ago.

195
00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,800
But it's not written here. And I think

196
00:15:14,030 --> 00:15:16,790
it needs to be more specific,

197
00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:20,800
and that goes into

198
00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:27,940
Resenting of school choice procedures question that I have,

199
00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,060
the fourth bullet point or

200
00:15:39,060 --> 00:15:45,360
little arrow there, if academic behavioral and or attendance concerns persist, the parent

201
00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:51,540
will be notified in writing that school choice is being rescinded, and the student must

202
00:15:51,540 --> 00:15:54,480
return to his or her zone school.

203
00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:02,700
A little later on, and that document, I have another question about the timeline, but is

204
00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:11,720
it not possible that we look at for the students who commit level four offenses, especially

205
00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:22,240
those, that they return immediately, level three would it not be appropriate to put down

206
00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:28,980
and in what I'm talking about right now on rescinding that the withdrawal could occur at the end

207
00:16:28,980 --> 00:16:34,480
of the nine weeks or the semester, whichever approach is, whichever is approaching first.

208
00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:42,900
My apologies. There's language in the manual about, so K through 8 can

209
00:16:43,700 --> 00:16:48,080
rescind at the end of each nine weeks at high school, is at the end of each semester.

210
00:16:49,020 --> 00:16:56,300
that's that's in the manual in here yeah help me with that because I

211
00:16:56,300 --> 00:17:03,750
what I saw was at the end of a school year in one document that's for the

212
00:17:03,750 --> 00:17:09,850
magnet program so the magnets students they I stay and correct it on that

213
00:17:18,710 --> 00:17:19,170
so I'm

214
00:17:19,170 --> 00:17:29,250
page four of the manual the decision it says a high school student whose reassignment

215
00:17:29,250 --> 00:17:33,610
has been rescinded, we'll return to his or her own school at the end of the current semester.

216
00:17:34,450 --> 00:17:37,850
An elementary or middle school student who's reassignment has been rescinded, we'll return

217
00:17:37,850 --> 00:17:40,210
to his or her own school at the end of the quarter.

218
00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:47,250
But it's not in this document, it's in the controlled choice manual, controlled choice plan.

219
00:17:47,590 --> 00:17:55,450
It's on page four, so page four, be 96 in your binder.

220
00:18:01,570 --> 00:18:05,510
In the electronic upload, I'm sorry.

221
00:18:13,350 --> 00:18:16,470
It's under E, under resending of a true school choice.

222
00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,220
Under E, the paragraph after E, rather.

223
00:18:41,330 --> 00:18:42,030
That's the paragraph.

224
00:18:42,110 --> 00:18:45,030
That explains when students can be returned to their own school.

225
00:18:47,930 --> 00:18:48,830
Back to Out of Can.

226
00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,640
Are you okay with the end of the semester on that one, though?

227
00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,340
On Out of Cany?

228
00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,160
No, on the one that we just left.

229
00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,440
Yeah, I have a problem with that at the high school level.

230
00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,240
Yeah, okay.

231
00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,840
First of all, out of county, that just means they need to go.

232
00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:10,180
Yeah, and it needs to state that.

233
00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:16,120
But I would also like to look at some of the issues

234
00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:19,360
on level 3s that we have.

235
00:19:19,820 --> 00:19:22,980
And whether that would, in your opinion, as a board,

236
00:19:24,260 --> 00:19:27,020
warrant removing an out of county student

237
00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:30,530
on certain interactions.

238
00:19:31,790 --> 00:19:40,150
So I don't know and forgive me for not knowing this, it's been a long time since I've dealt with the code of conduct, but I don't know if a level four is automatically

239
00:19:42,890 --> 00:19:46,690
Right, so I can tell you and my experience

240
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:52,970
We don't have that many schools rescinding school choice kids when they're on choice they're behaving

241
00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,730
I think we had one this year at the end of this year

242
00:19:58,010 --> 00:19:59,970
But I understand you're need to want

243
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:06,240
Are you looking for something like multiple level threes or something like multiple

244
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,280
or just a long time ago?

245
00:20:11,300 --> 00:20:12,460
That's right.

246
00:20:12,460 --> 00:20:13,120
For out-of-count.

247
00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:14,500
Out-of-count?

248
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,080
The out-of-coun, the out-of-coun, the out-of-coun, with level 3 or 4.

249
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:18,740
Then.

250
00:20:18,740 --> 00:20:19,700
Any level threes?

251
00:20:19,820 --> 00:20:20,740
Any level threes?

252
00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:21,620
They're out-of-coun.

253
00:20:22,700 --> 00:20:24,660
I think it, there are things.

254
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,720
Level 3 doesn't automatically expulsion.

255
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:28,360
Right.

256
00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:38,280
correct? No. So, a level 3 could be something that's not, I won't want to say it's

257
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:46,860
not a major, but, so, it could be something very, but we have to discipline. So,

258
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,360
yes, and then they don't live in our county. They're taking up space. But it's, okay,

259
00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:54,860
It's a level three level three alcohol possession use

260
00:20:55,900 --> 00:21:01,040
burglary bullying drug use possession faults accusation

261
00:21:02,580 --> 00:21:09,940
Fighting grossing some ordination harassment hazing interference or physical contact with school person now

262
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,320
Those kinds of things

263
00:21:16,270 --> 00:21:23,290
Okay, level three is yeah, but but but unfortunately like what if a kid said something stupid another kid

264
00:21:23,310 --> 00:21:30,750
records it and then puts it out or puts it a fortify and then the top you know talking about a game or something

265
00:21:30,750 --> 00:21:32,670
But then there's a whole thing

266
00:21:33,370 --> 00:21:34,990
That's a level three offense

267
00:21:34,990 --> 00:21:37,270
It has to be founded around

268
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:39,210
But is that I would imagine

269
00:21:39,210 --> 00:21:41,330
Okay, so level three is there

270
00:21:41,330 --> 00:21:43,090
There's a navigation at the

271
00:21:43,090 --> 00:21:44,230
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Okay, so

272
00:21:44,890 --> 00:21:46,750
Then gate what you're talking about Michelle

273
00:21:46,750 --> 00:21:49,970
Yeah, all right, then the other one that I

274
00:21:49,970 --> 00:21:57,370
So the paragraph underneath that, are we still on the same topic, or are you moving

275
00:21:57,370 --> 00:22:04,660
to sending approved school choice, the same level, is it a paragraph that says the

276
00:22:04,660 --> 00:22:07,320
decision to send a school choice, okay,

277
00:22:12,860 --> 00:22:16,260
a high school student who has, whose reassignment

278
00:22:16,260 --> 00:22:22,500
has been rescinded, will return to his or her zone school at the end of the current semester.

279
00:22:24,780 --> 00:22:29,580
I believe that that really should be at the end of the nine weeks or the semester,

280
00:22:29,820 --> 00:22:31,780
which ever comes, is coming first.

281
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,180
I agree with that.

282
00:22:34,220 --> 00:22:34,400
Yeah.

283
00:22:34,740 --> 00:22:35,220
You're so.

284
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:35,980
I agree with that.

285
00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:37,160
Thank you.

286
00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:39,420
And then that would change,

287
00:22:51,810 --> 00:22:53,830
that's going to take care of that next page.

288
00:23:05,180 --> 00:23:07,060
I don't know what page is this on for y'all.

289
00:23:07,340 --> 00:23:09,480
This is continuity of school assignment.

290
00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:11,700
Is that the heading?

291
00:23:12,220 --> 00:23:12,560
Yes.

292
00:23:12,660 --> 00:23:13,240
That's the heading.

293
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,020
It

294
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:30,420
comes after preference for admission, change of residence.

295
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,660
It may be on your page 95.

296
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:35,960
Ms. Hawkins.

297
00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:41,660
I got you sending appeals.

298
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:46,270
I don't know.

299
00:23:49,170 --> 00:23:49,330
I don't know.

300
00:23:49,330 --> 00:23:49,630
I don't know.

301
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:52,020
What

302
00:23:56,530 --> 00:24:04,270
we've just discussed, and I think somewhat agreed on here, would take that last sentence.

303
00:24:04,790 --> 00:24:06,230
It needs to be re-worded.

304
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:12,190
The principal has the right to resend approval due to poor attendance grades and or behavior.

305
00:24:18,750 --> 00:24:23,110
I'm not sure we're leaving it up to the principals of a student as a level three or

306
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:33,280
level four, but the principal needs to initiate the process for removing the student from attending.

307
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,360
That's what's currently in practice.

308
00:24:38,340 --> 00:24:42,260
Okay, but can we get it in writing instead of just the right to resend?

309
00:24:43,020 --> 00:24:47,120
Because it's really an obligation now and the principle to make sure this happens.

310
00:24:50,910 --> 00:24:51,970
So do you want language?

311
00:24:52,290 --> 00:24:53,850
The principle is obligated?

312
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:58,310
The principle shall? Yes.

313
00:24:59,270 --> 00:24:59,770
Thank you.

314
00:25:05,940 --> 00:25:07,320
And then,

315
00:25:09,630 --> 00:25:12,430
rescinding of approved school choice,

316
00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:25,320
which is page 96,

317
00:25:36,850 --> 00:25:52,630
you may need to change the language in there, because it's saying repeated violations of the student code of conduct and we're changing it to level 4, level 3, you are going to be removed if you're out of county.

318
00:25:53,310 --> 00:25:53,790
student.

319
00:26:00,330 --> 00:26:02,570
So what letter are you on? D.

320
00:26:05,260 --> 00:26:07,040
While you're looking at that, I wanted to add

321
00:26:10,450 --> 00:26:16,970
piggyback off of what Mr. Johnson said a minute ago that if they are here and they

322
00:26:16,970 --> 00:26:22,170
come here as a guest, basically, that when something happens like that, that they should

323
00:26:22,170 --> 00:26:27,170
have to no longer remain. So I do think that that's appropriate.

324
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:31,980
And I think if they're here

325
00:26:31,980 --> 00:26:41,640
And it's an, it's an opportunity for them that they should be doing what's right and if they mess up the no longer are they going to be able to stay.

326
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:42,780
I agree.

327
00:26:43,140 --> 00:26:50,940
I think on letter D what I'm looking for is maybe some, it says repeated violations of the student code of conduct.

328
00:26:51,580 --> 00:26:52,720
Maybe some.

329
00:26:53,380 --> 00:26:53,940
I don't think that.

330
00:26:53,980 --> 00:26:56,060
Or clear language on.

331
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:01,240
I don't think so because if we're saying with a three or four, they're gone.

332
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,420
But that's out of county.

333
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,940
This is, if I'm here in county now.

334
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,720
I don't get 96 pages on here.

335
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,940
So I don't know, you know, it's hard to follow.

336
00:27:13,820 --> 00:27:16,940
Well, I have as a four-page document, five-page document.

337
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,180
So to go into something I don't have.

338
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:34,790
It starts circumstances through the school choice at the very top.

339
00:27:35,050 --> 00:27:36,890
So it's like page three on your.

340
00:27:38,550 --> 00:27:43,630
reciting of school choice preferences, reciting of a proof school choice

341
00:27:43,630 --> 00:27:50,230
yep, she's looking at D. I don't have, okay, I got that now, okay, okay, what

342
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:57,530
letter? D. D. And these are for our in-school, these are kids that may live in

343
00:27:58,210 --> 00:28:02,710
Reneto Beach and want to go to, we can watch a high. So you don't like the word

344
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:08,630
repeated violation of the student code of conduct, Mr. Ball, I think, because I

345
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:12,690
would hate for it to just say a violation of the student code of conduct because then

346
00:28:12,690 --> 00:28:13,910
it can be one small thing.

347
00:28:14,170 --> 00:28:23,120
Looking for that because that's not appropriate either but I think if you flip it over to

348
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:31,120
the parent side and now your student is going to potentially be removed you would look at that

349
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:37,500
and you would ask the administrator well defined repeated what makes it what why can you do this

350
00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:40,340
that I think that's where it comes from

351
00:28:40,340 --> 00:28:44,100
is having that experience of being questioned

352
00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:47,060
about what does that really mean?

353
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,960
Well, how do you know, multiple violations of any?

354
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,020
Can I ask you the question that get clarification?

355
00:28:57,340 --> 00:28:59,720
When it's a level four offense,

356
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,600
it should that it would be automatic, right?

357
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,780
So maybe sort of put that into the sentence.

358
00:29:05,780 --> 00:29:11,580
So it's a multiple violations another one three or four automatic

359
00:29:11,580 --> 00:29:13,700
Yeah, go on

360
00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:18,460
Three or four is automatic so it would be multiple violations of levels one one

361
00:29:18,460 --> 00:29:23,130
Two one and two one three two on a map with three and four

362
00:29:24,860 --> 00:29:35,980
Can you rephrase it then in the language so under letter D you want me to strike out repeated and put in multiple violations of

363
00:29:35,980 --> 00:29:44,910
level one and two of the student code of conduct and it's a debt to die. Okay,

364
00:29:45,270 --> 00:29:54,190
then level three level four violations require automatic automatic for

365
00:29:54,190 --> 00:29:59,350
in county, three or fours, multiple three or fours.

366
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,520
Okay. A single violation. Okay.

367
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,760
I believe that's all I have right now.

368
00:30:36,930 --> 00:30:43,710
So, students' committee levels three or four automatically resend? Yes. This is a privilege.

369
00:30:43,710 --> 00:30:51,510
It's great for them to take this and it's not going to be anything else, the privilege is

370
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:52,050
withdrawn.

371
00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:00,700
Yeah, because if the situation is mitigated, it would say a little real poor, right?

372
00:31:01,300 --> 00:31:04,140
I mean, they're all, the three and four are all terrible.

373
00:31:04,420 --> 00:31:08,620
I just think that some are more severe on three than, I mean, they're all pretty bad.

374
00:31:09,060 --> 00:31:15,800
I just, like, perfinity directed toward a staff member, I mean, that's pretty bad.

375
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:21,200
And it is a privilege to be in our schools, but theft is worse.

376
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,900
So maybe you're having a really bad day

377
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:27,020
and you say something.

378
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:28,260
But you really shouldn't.

379
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,800
When I get kicked out of the school for that one time doing it.

380
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:33,820
That's why it says repeated.

381
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,080
Not three and four.

382
00:31:36,380 --> 00:31:37,200
Not three and four.

383
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:37,800
Not three and four.

384
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,100
But also when three is drug use.

385
00:31:41,340 --> 00:31:43,040
So that's appropriate to be, you know,

386
00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:44,940
I feel like that's appropriate to be.

387
00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:51,460
But then bullying, too, is in that, which is also terrible, but the first defense of bullying.

388
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,720
But most of all, it's usually, there's an investigation.

389
00:31:54,740 --> 00:31:56,460
There's an investigation with that.

390
00:31:57,100 --> 00:31:57,740
Found it.

391
00:31:58,660 --> 00:32:04,840
A verbal altercation, alcohol, well, verbal, that might be under two.

392
00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:05,260
Let me see.

393
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,600
Hold on.

394
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:07,620
Wearing leg things.

395
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:08,820
I'm just looking at three.

396
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,100
I just don't want to make it so,

397
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,280
I don't know that everything we have listed in three should

398
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:18,040
be lumped together.

399
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:27,180
I think there's one or two that that's what I'm worried about. Like if we say if you want a fence of three, you're automatically kicked out of your school choice.

400
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,040
Like what some are a little bit more.

401
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:36,340
What came to my mind was a verbal word. There is a process in place for an appeal.

402
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,320
But I, I just think I can appeal.

403
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,840
Like, my characterization, I mean,

404
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,120
Ms. Cropley's joined us.

405
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,400
What do you want to say, Ms. Cropley?

406
00:32:45,580 --> 00:32:46,660
Just to put up a chime in.

407
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:47,060
OK.

408
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:53,740
So in letter D, it can be any and all of those things.

409
00:32:55,220 --> 00:33:00,940
So typically, you're going to not kick a student out of your school

410
00:33:00,940 --> 00:33:04,660
on school choice if just one of those things are happening.

411
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,060
You're going to watch for those patterns.

412
00:33:07,060 --> 00:33:13,700
so are they excessively absent? Are they failing? Those are two things. Are they

413
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:18,300
excessively absent? Do they have a lot of disciplines? Do they meet all of those things?

414
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:23,880
Are they failing? They have a lot of disciplines or excessively absent? We have a procedure up and

415
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,040
we go over it with principals each year. If you're going to rescind a school choice,

416
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:32,900
you need to make sure that we've had parent conferences. We've had warnings. They're still your

417
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:37,880
student. So you're going to have to put interventions in place, things like that. A level

418
00:33:38,580 --> 00:33:43,980
for violation of the code of conduct in any circumstance is going to recommend you for

419
00:33:43,980 --> 00:33:48,800
expulsion. It doesn't matter. So you're not getting your school choice anyway. You're not getting

420
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:56,420
a choice, right? You might be at Endeavor. But any of, I mean, most of them will have like a file.

421
00:33:56,660 --> 00:34:02,820
You know right from the beginning of the year, we encourage the administrators to put like a

422
00:34:02,820 --> 00:34:07,140
sticker on the discipline files of those kids that are there on school choice.

423
00:34:07,380 --> 00:34:11,660
They can pull lists to say these kids are here on school choice.

424
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,940
So when they're processing disciplines, we encourage them to write on the discipline.

425
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,500
If behavior continues, you may lose your school choice seat.

426
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,420
So how do you feel about putting it in here that if it's a level, like if you have one

427
00:34:25,420 --> 00:34:30,380
offensive of a level three that you're automatically kicked out, do you think that what

428
00:34:30,380 --> 00:34:31,420
we have in place?

429
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:37,720
I think what we have in these works, I feel like we follow the process.

430
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:44,180
We have had some appeals, we get with the schools, we make sure that they send all of their

431
00:34:44,180 --> 00:34:44,880
documentation.

432
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,120
Have you had parents' conferences?

433
00:34:46,180 --> 00:34:50,580
Have you tried to intervene just like you would if the kid was owned at your school?

434
00:34:50,620 --> 00:34:51,580
That's what we expect.

435
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:59,580
I feel like in the competitive market that we're in right now to take that choice away.

436
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:19,280
For one level three, now if it's egregious and that's, you know, we have those conversations, like we're revoking your school choice. But that hasn't necessarily been the case. Typically when we're revoking, it's, it meets multiple of these. It's not just, you got two level three, so now we're revoking you.

437
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:29,880
So why couldn't we add just simply a violation of a level three offense, you may be returned

438
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,600
to this old school?

439
00:35:32,620 --> 00:35:41,120
It's a little ambiguous, but if it's drug use in syllable three, that would be up to the

440
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:41,520
principle.

441
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,140
Drug use is a three.

442
00:35:44,140 --> 00:35:44,320
Drug use is a three.

443
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,680
I think distributions of four, right?

444
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:47,820
I think, you know.

445
00:35:47,820 --> 00:35:48,800
Mr. Val.

446
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,300
I feel I have got.

447
00:35:53,380 --> 00:35:56,060
I agree with, I will agree with Mark.

448
00:35:56,700 --> 00:36:02,360
I do believe that there has been issues with choice and magnet.

449
00:36:05,770 --> 00:36:19,810
And the student should not, in a parent should not rely on having a problem with attendance, grades, and discipline, in order to finally be removed out of a school.

450
00:36:19,810 --> 00:36:28,090
This is, and I especially go after the behaviors, the academic requirements, that's pretty

451
00:36:28,090 --> 00:36:34,070
cutting dry, either doing what you need to do or you don't, but to give

452
00:36:36,180 --> 00:36:37,440
students who

453
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:51,740
are gaining a seat in a school, maybe even keeping a weightless kid out of the process, and

454
00:36:51,740 --> 00:37:01,480
Ms. Behaves, that's an issue for me, especially, and that requires, to me, action, and it

455
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:09,880
also requires that we as a board define what that action, what the action is and what

456
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:17,000
the consequence is. So it's very clear to parents and students that if you do this, this is what

457
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,740
this is the consequence

458
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:28,840
and we've gotten away from consequences yes we have and we need to

459
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:35,940
get back to that and back to meritocracy so that's where I'm coming from on this is yes I'm looking

460
00:37:35,940 --> 00:37:45,720
at more the behavior issues that may occur than the attendance or the grades those to me are a little

461
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:52,340
easier to work with, and yes, I would expect the staff probably works with all of their kids,

462
00:37:52,640 --> 00:38:01,640
not just someone who's there on choice to improve. But behaviors? No. So maybe I may be removed

463
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:08,800
if a level three and will be removed for a level four on D. So the way I read this,

464
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:24,520
All of those things may be rescinded, so it has been, it has been the administrators discretion as far as rescinding based on any of these instances.

465
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:25,180
Mr. Mayor?

466
00:38:25,220 --> 00:38:27,240
No, obviously you're going to put there's still the right of appeal.

467
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:28,600
Right, there isn't appeal.

468
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:37,120
So you're trying to specify what leads to a possible removal, understanding or notwithstanding the fact there's still the right of appeal.

469
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:45,720
So whether it's a level three offense or level four offense, you know, the parents still have the right to appeal the decision and that may be staying there not a level four

470
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:52,940
And maybe that needs to be clarified definitely level four is isn't automatic, but that's a lot of matter for where I'm going to be recommended for

471
00:38:52,940 --> 00:38:56,060
promotion, but right, so I just still have to be right

472
00:38:56,060 --> 00:38:59,860
But they will have their whether you're in county around come right there

473
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:09,240
So we want to do maybe removed with a level three and we'll be removed with the level four.

474
00:39:09,460 --> 00:39:11,320
So as much as you have.

475
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,080
We'll return to this own district and I guess it's a comma.

476
00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:20,460
And then I want to be a room three or four right for a level three offense.

477
00:39:21,380 --> 00:39:24,680
Out of county is three or four removed.

478
00:39:33,870 --> 00:39:39,320
Okay, and we're saying the principal shall or the principal may.

479
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:43,060
May for all the three shall.

480
00:39:45,580 --> 00:39:46,640
I'm in love with the lower.

481
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:49,560
We guard this with our county or out of county.

482
00:39:49,740 --> 00:39:51,880
You're going to be recommended for pre-expulsion.

483
00:39:52,340 --> 00:39:52,360
May.

484
00:39:53,260 --> 00:39:59,060
So, I mean, typically a lot of times in that process, even if they're out of school

485
00:39:59,060 --> 00:39:59,880
choice in the record.

486
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:07,280
For pre-expulsion, for the most part, unless it's one of those major ones where we have to have them out for a year, they go to endeavor.

487
00:40:08,140 --> 00:40:13,260
And part of that is once you're done, once you complete endeavor, you're going back to your zone school.

488
00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:17,660
You don't have the privilege of going back to the school of choice that you came from.

489
00:40:19,860 --> 00:40:26,240
So I guess without getting too wordy in the manual, we can go through that.

490
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:38,540
But I feel like principals need to have a little bit of discretion as far as, because they know their kids, they know the students, and they know what they're putting in place for those students and some time.

491
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:48,340
In principle, it does mean we'll contact the supervisor's school choice about the possibility of school choice of approval being rescinded.

492
00:40:49,940 --> 00:40:55,800
It tells you right there that the principal makes the final decisions, so there's no argument.

493
00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:59,380
Yeah, and they'll send on all their documentation.

494
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:06,160
And as long as they've had meetings, and it comes down to even attendance.

495
00:41:06,380 --> 00:41:09,660
Sometimes kids have atrocious attendance, and they're there on school choice,

496
00:41:10,140 --> 00:41:15,560
and maybe it's best for them to go back to their zone school, because we don't offer transportation with school choice, right?

497
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:22,720
So, maybe it's best for them to go back to their zone school so that they can use transportation and get to school in time.

498
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:31,800
So, it that comes out at true and see meetings that we have, we talk about, they're on school choice and they're having a problem getting to school.

499
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,860
Maybe that's one of the interventions that's put in place.

500
00:41:35,020 --> 00:41:38,900
They go back to their zone school where they can use a bus to get to school.

501
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:45,160
So I just want to circle back May or shall because I don't think we have, I don't think we're

502
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:54,140
I heard a shall and I heard some Mays so even if it's May then the principle still has the final discretion.

503
00:41:56,310 --> 00:41:58,930
But if it's shall then there really isn't any discretion.

504
00:41:59,410 --> 00:42:01,270
The process is full.

505
00:42:02,090 --> 00:42:07,030
With the process in place and in a big process in place.

506
00:42:07,730 --> 00:42:10,370
So it takes some of the stress off the principle.

507
00:42:10,930 --> 00:42:13,150
I'm just looking for consensus to, you know,

508
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:15,010
what word to put there.

509
00:42:18,530 --> 00:42:19,350
Read it again.

510
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:21,170
Read it again to me.

511
00:42:21,250 --> 00:42:22,450
The way we're going to word it.

512
00:42:22,450 --> 00:42:24,690
And then I can tell you if I feel like mail may yourself.

513
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:25,890
I feel like it should say may.

514
00:42:25,970 --> 00:42:26,690
I want to appear.

515
00:42:27,050 --> 00:42:28,770
If you look at the very top,

516
00:42:28,890 --> 00:42:29,330
or it says,

517
00:42:29,330 --> 00:42:31,210
resending approved school choice,

518
00:42:31,470 --> 00:42:33,170
approval of school choice application,

519
00:42:33,710 --> 00:42:35,290
may be rescinded if,

520
00:42:38,180 --> 00:42:41,060
and then you have ABCD and E.

521
00:42:48,830 --> 00:42:57,190
So, under that language, if it was repeated level 1s, it may be, right,

522
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:01,740
10 level 1s.

523
00:43:02,260 --> 00:43:03,120
Well, 10 of them.

524
00:43:04,420 --> 00:43:06,420
Then it may be after 10 of them?

525
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:07,700
Yeah, that's one question.

526
00:43:07,740 --> 00:43:08,440
Not Mr. Mayer.

527
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,500
No, I mean, just what you read about may be rescinded.

528
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:16,280
Just say except for level 4, it's not a child, it's mandatory.

529
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,020
But for the others, it's still may be.

530
00:43:19,020 --> 00:43:23,020
I mean, that sort of captures it doesn't it?

531
00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:26,160
You're laughing.

532
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:26,840
You're laughing.

533
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,600
E is out of the county.

534
00:43:29,180 --> 00:43:30,160
E is out of the county.

535
00:43:30,740 --> 00:43:32,620
Level 3 and 4 show.

536
00:43:32,980 --> 00:43:33,260
Yes.

537
00:43:33,780 --> 00:43:34,420
Out of the county.

538
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:35,240
That accounting.

539
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:35,380
That accounting.

540
00:43:35,420 --> 00:43:36,080
Three and four.

541
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,200
Decision three cent.

542
00:43:39,020 --> 00:43:40,740
I don't know if you're going to say that.

543
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,480
D is level 3 may and level 4 show.

544
00:43:46,540 --> 00:43:47,380
For out of the county?

545
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:48,680
No.

546
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:49,280
It's for regular.

547
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,000
I think Ms. Cropley has it.

548
00:43:53,220 --> 00:43:59,400
Yeah, okay, level three is May anyway, but level four will always clarify that it will be happened,

549
00:43:59,540 --> 00:44:02,040
because it will happen regardless of your school choice or not.

550
00:44:04,020 --> 00:44:05,860
All right, any further questions or discussion?

551
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,760
Mr. Ball, you'd like to still have extra?

552
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,640
I think she's finished, sorry.

553
00:44:18,990 --> 00:44:23,970
I would just, with the word May, I would just hope there's some consistency, because

554
00:44:23,970 --> 00:44:33,070
I know I have known that there has been inconsistency, and that word shall removes

555
00:44:33,070 --> 00:44:34,950
that from the plate.

556
00:44:35,690 --> 00:44:37,910
But if that's what you all want, that's,

557
00:44:41,070 --> 00:44:41,470
I go with it.

558
00:44:41,470 --> 00:44:52,090
Well, I could say me for a level three on the first defense and shell on subsequent offenses.

559
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:55,670
So he has somebody as a level three.

560
00:44:56,010 --> 00:44:57,750
Yeah, maybe he has maybe no.

561
00:44:58,030 --> 00:44:59,870
They do the same behavior or different behavior.

562
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,800
That's why he's gone, six shall from multiple level three offenses, shall from multiple level three.

563
00:45:07,860 --> 00:45:15,480
We also have the quarter, so we're revoking at the quarter for K through eight and semester for high school.

564
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:21,960
No, I suggested nine weeks at high school across the board, nine weeks. Do you change that?

565
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,180
You know,

566
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,880
and Mark, I do agree with that language, I think that covers my concerns,

567
00:45:35,580 --> 00:45:36,720
say that again, Mr. Johnson.

568
00:45:39,290 --> 00:45:41,570
Shout for multiple three offenses.

569
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:42,970
Shout for multiple.

570
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:45,630
And shout for more likely.

571
00:45:46,290 --> 00:45:49,130
One, you know, a level four offense.

572
00:45:49,310 --> 00:45:50,850
Shout up to level three.

573
00:45:56,750 --> 00:45:58,070
I think we got it.

574
00:46:00,380 --> 00:46:00,620
Thanks.

575
00:46:01,220 --> 00:46:01,220
All

576
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:06,710
right, and her like turned off, so I think she's finished.

577
00:46:08,450 --> 00:46:09,310
I'm just kidding.

578
00:46:09,950 --> 00:46:10,270
Just teasing.

579
00:46:10,970 --> 00:46:11,790
OK, all right.

580
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:14,470
So at this time, if there are any other questions,

581
00:46:14,810 --> 00:46:18,230
I would ordinarily say, I would ask for

582
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:19,010
tentative approval.

583
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:21,330
Now would you like me to make these corrections

584
00:46:21,330 --> 00:46:22,870
and bring it back to you in another workshop?

585
00:46:23,970 --> 00:46:24,810
No, you don't.

586
00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:29,870
You know, not if we make the tentative changes,

587
00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:32,690
then we can just put it on a board agenda and board agenda.

588
00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:33,690
Yeah, put it on the board agenda.

589
00:46:33,690 --> 00:46:36,190
and if you have issues with it, then you can pull it.

590
00:46:36,250 --> 00:46:37,430
I mean, you can pull it, correct.

591
00:46:38,310 --> 00:46:40,030
Okay, is that answer?

592
00:46:40,490 --> 00:46:40,930
Requestion?

593
00:46:40,970 --> 00:46:41,630
Okay, thank you.

594
00:46:41,770 --> 00:46:42,450
Thank you.

595
00:46:42,770 --> 00:46:45,390
All right, and now we will move on to item number three,

596
00:46:45,570 --> 00:46:48,970
27-4023, review and tentative approval

597
00:46:48,970 --> 00:46:52,790
of the 2027-2028 magnet program procedures

598
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:55,370
by Ms. Williams, Supervisor of School Choice.

599
00:46:55,690 --> 00:46:56,330
Welcome back.

600
00:46:58,130 --> 00:46:59,050
Thank you, Ms. Croftly.

601
00:47:11,550 --> 00:47:12,490
Good afternoon again.

602
00:47:13,150 --> 00:47:13,830
Thank you.

603
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:22,290
I'm going to go over now the outline of revisions for the 2728 magnet program procedures.

604
00:47:25,450 --> 00:47:26,690
So I think I went ahead.

605
00:47:28,130 --> 00:47:37,870
So number one, all of the dates in the 2728 magnet program procedures were changed to reflect the 2627 school year on page one.

606
00:47:37,870 --> 00:47:40,910
Dynamic Sports Performance Academy.

607
00:47:41,950 --> 00:47:48,050
Schoolment was added to and at the designated location was deleted from the application procedures.

608
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:52,310
On page two, Dynamic Sports Performance Academy.

609
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:55,330
And schoolment were added to number five.

610
00:47:56,030 --> 00:48:00,870
And then on page five, Dynamic Sports Performance Academy was added to letter C.

611
00:48:00,870 --> 00:48:09,690
And under D, one changed May to Must and Added School Mint portfolio upload under 2

612
00:48:09,690 --> 00:48:14,050
Added Language about Portfolio submission for Dynamic Sports Performance Academy.

613
00:48:14,690 --> 00:48:19,370
So all of that language that was added is in relation to Dynamic Sports Academy.

614
00:48:22,510 --> 00:48:24,070
I have a few things to repeat.

615
00:48:24,650 --> 00:48:28,130
I have an on page 7 letter G.

616
00:48:28,130 --> 00:48:33,310
Specified that portfolio applicants not selected for Choke Chattie and Challenger K-8

617
00:48:33,310 --> 00:48:39,850
will automatically be placed in the lottery and then under C I added Dynamics Sports Performance Academy

618
00:48:40,970 --> 00:48:51,750
on page eight under four regarding hardship exemptions added that the only way into dynamic sports performance Academy is through portfolio as it is for all of our other magnets

619
00:48:52,290 --> 00:48:56,650
and then on page nine added Dynamics Sports Performance Academy

620
00:48:56,650 --> 00:49:03,750
change Challenger portfolio submission to electronic submission using Google share to upload

621
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:10,030
portfolio to schoolmen. So Chokachati currently does electronic collection of portfolios,

622
00:49:10,310 --> 00:49:15,450
dynamic sports academy is chosen to do that and Challenger expressed an interest this year

623
00:49:15,450 --> 00:49:18,450
to collect those portfolios online as well.

624
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:26,630
I got a question. What's the difference between this and what they wanted to do

625
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:28,840
at

626
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,360
Yeah, this is parent.

627
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:31,360
Yeah.

628
00:49:31,380 --> 00:49:32,780
I thought it said Challenger.

629
00:49:34,820 --> 00:49:38,960
I just updated language around Challenger in there in that same area.

630
00:49:39,780 --> 00:49:44,720
Does it add, does it allow them to do attachments of the student work in the portfolio with the electronic version?

631
00:49:44,820 --> 00:49:45,820
This is just for mine.

632
00:49:46,220 --> 00:49:46,340
Yeah.

633
00:49:46,780 --> 00:49:47,600
They upload.

634
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:48,300
It's like a Google.

635
00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:50,200
You just upload same thing.

636
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,420
Save your artifacts to your Google Drive.

637
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,000
And then you make that Google Drive public.

638
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,100
You share it with us.

639
00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:57,300
And then we have your portfolio.

640
00:49:57,300 --> 00:49:59,540
I love that. Thank you.

641
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,480
What is that all of your updates? Are we going to entertain sibling preference?

642
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:09,260
I have that on my thing to speak about. Those are all my revisions. Okay.

643
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,340
So you do is devolent. I have something to

644
00:50:16,340 --> 00:50:22,660
you want to go first though. Let me to go first. All right. I think we all have something go ahead.

645
00:50:24,750 --> 00:50:25,390
Okay. Sorry.

646
00:50:25,550 --> 00:50:33,510
My pages don't match up. Under the heading continuity of a magnet program enrollment.

647
00:50:33,870 --> 00:50:36,270
It's right towards the front of the document.

648
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:43,940
Number one,

649
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,580
it's the enrollment at a school.

650
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:54,620
Got it.

651
00:50:54,620 --> 00:50:54,880
Got it.

652
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:55,120
OK.

653
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:03,460
The last sentence, a student whose reassignment has been rescinded

654
00:51:03,460 --> 00:51:09,040
by the principal will return to his or her zone school the following year.

655
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:16,140
And I'm not sure why we're allowing that to happen as opposed to nine weeks or the semester.

656
00:51:16,140 --> 00:51:26,340
I think nine weeks if we have nine weeks in the magnet, right, or in the choice, yeah, I should be in the following nine weeks.

657
00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:33,760
So I think that that was put into place because the enrollment is tied for enrollment purposes.

658
00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:36,980
But that could open a spot for a new kid to come in through.

659
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:38,160
So we should show you.

660
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:39,040
She's on a waiting list, too.

661
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:43,500
We should show you that nine weeks following nine week.

662
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:43,880
Yep.

663
00:51:44,380 --> 00:51:45,280
Thank you.

664
00:51:46,940 --> 00:51:49,420
Should we use Mayor shall I'm just kidding?

665
00:51:50,060 --> 00:51:50,580
Do that again.

666
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,300
So I'm going to add at the end of the nine weeks.

667
00:51:54,540 --> 00:51:58,440
The end of the nine weeks are the semester, whichever comes first.

668
00:52:01,610 --> 00:52:03,610
The next nine weeks.

669
00:52:04,410 --> 00:52:05,750
Or end of the year.

670
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:09,000
Or end of the semester, right?

671
00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:12,200
Yes.

672
00:52:13,740 --> 00:52:14,720
The next question.

673
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:20,000
I'm not sure exactly where it fits in.

674
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,000
but I wonder about level 3s and 4s.

675
00:52:25,460 --> 00:52:29,400
If you all know what page that's on, I would appreciate it.

676
00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:31,780
So it's not on this page in the manual.

677
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,280
The manual refers them back to the controlled choice

678
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,780
because that's the umbrella for all school choice options.

679
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:40,840
So let's be covered the level 3 and 4.

680
00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:44,420
Correct. So then they would go back into the controlled choice

681
00:52:44,420 --> 00:52:45,840
and look at the language there.

682
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,740
Should we have it here though?

683
00:52:47,740 --> 00:52:55,120
So, they don't have to go back and look at something else to know what the consequence is.

684
00:52:58,300 --> 00:52:58,620
We can.

685
00:52:58,960 --> 00:52:59,140
Sure?

686
00:52:59,340 --> 00:53:00,120
I can add it.

687
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:00,860
Thank you.

688
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:06,520
Well, you know, you have under four, it will be terminated false information had a parent

689
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,880
of guardian fails provide residency certification.

690
00:53:10,740 --> 00:53:13,400
You see a student withdraws from the school.

691
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:14,560
Make a D.

692
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,120
Yeah, you can make a D and just reinstate the control

693
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:27,220
the choice paragraph that covers 3s and 4s. Now, if you can

694
00:53:27,220 --> 00:53:28,240
insist in.

695
00:53:32,550 --> 00:53:38,190
Now, you did say that this was going to be a

696
00:53:38,190 --> 00:53:45,270
lottery? No. Portfolio? Portfolio? Portfolio?

697
00:53:45,730 --> 00:53:47,750
Portfolio? Portfolio? Portfolio? Portfolio?

698
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:51,510
Portfolio?

699
00:53:51,510 --> 00:54:00,610
All right, then we get down, I guess, to the crux of my concern with this, with Parrot.

700
00:54:02,170 --> 00:54:07,090
And I apologize, I was not in on the original discussion on this

701
00:54:09,170 --> 00:54:12,530
change, but I do disagree

702
00:54:14,010 --> 00:54:23,910
with making or allowing, whatever you want to call it, a dynamic sports performance, a cadmium

703
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:24,970
at parent.

704
00:54:26,890 --> 00:54:33,930
And I do that because I don't see the issue, I've gone back and looked through attendance

705
00:54:33,930 --> 00:54:34,970
and enrollment.

706
00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:43,650
I don't see the issues there that might be something that y'all considered.

707
00:54:44,370 --> 00:54:56,530
But I look at it as you've got a school who wants to pull students from other schools,

708
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:59,950
but it appears primarily that...

709
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:27,260
That it's designed to pull students or could pull students from eastside. And I have a concern with that, because now you're taking a school that has the athletic facilities, which creates the draw to pull kids out of the eastside when they don't have. At this point, the gym, the fields, they have a plan for that.

710
00:55:27,260 --> 00:55:30,260
but we haven't agreed to do any of that.

711
00:55:30,620 --> 00:55:34,440
So now it's at any quality that I have a problem with.

712
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:42,620
Well, Susan, the presentation was for 60 students.

713
00:55:42,860 --> 00:55:44,140
It wasn't for more than that.

714
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:46,700
So I don't think we're going to pull that many from the east side

715
00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:47,540
by itself.

716
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,740
We're going to come from all over.

717
00:55:49,740 --> 00:55:51,300
It's the program develops.

718
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:54,500
We should be putting out quality athletes

719
00:55:54,500 --> 00:55:56,140
over in a few years.

720
00:55:56,140 --> 00:55:58,000
And where are those kids going to go?

721
00:55:58,060 --> 00:55:59,260
That's the other part of the food.

722
00:55:59,260 --> 00:56:01,540
They go back to, they go to high schools that they would go to.

723
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,840
No, that's what's not going to happen.

724
00:56:04,700 --> 00:56:05,420
Well, what's going to happen?

725
00:56:05,420 --> 00:56:06,100
I don't believe it, Mark.

726
00:56:06,420 --> 00:56:06,820
That's the thing.

727
00:56:06,820 --> 00:56:09,780
I think he's also trying to pull from citrus counties and other counties.

728
00:56:09,980 --> 00:56:13,960
And I think he could also argue that he feels like East Side took some of, not that they're

729
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:14,560
all our kids.

730
00:56:15,060 --> 00:56:19,340
But you could maybe argue the same thing that some of his kids are at East Side, that

731
00:56:19,340 --> 00:56:20,460
they're not coming to him.

732
00:56:20,540 --> 00:56:22,300
So he's trying to feel that cab.

733
00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:27,460
because of where the enrollment zone is, that's not all, it's not, yeah.

734
00:56:27,460 --> 00:56:36,700
You say it's not putting something out there that parent doesn't have in sense of athletic facilities.

735
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,240
Well, and we haven't voted on doing it.

736
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:47,540
This is just for adjusting case because he's collecting data and he's going to bring it back in front of the board

737
00:56:47,540 --> 00:56:50,780
and then at that time we decide to think they said October.

738
00:56:50,780 --> 00:57:20,320
So he's going to, so this is just in case because I have a hard time at this moment with any of this because of the cost and financially where we are and with our teacher pay with the insurance with all the above and everything else happening financially so for me I cannot sit up here and be physically responsible to say yes to something to a million dollars or more at this very moment.

739
00:57:20,780 --> 00:57:27,640
without. We're not drawing it tonight. I know that, but let me speak. Without uncertainty of how

740
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:33,160
this is going to happen financially. So for me, I have to be physically responsible. That's

741
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:39,200
my number one goal. And I have to look at everything across the table. When it comes to also 60 students

742
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:44,300
coming in, let's say we're doing this in order to, for retention. We're doing this in order to

743
00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:49,240
fill seats. So that's the problem. The reason this all started was to fill seats. So when that happens

744
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:55,300
and we get them, but yet we've still lost seats or we're losing seats is one just counter

745
00:57:55,300 --> 00:58:01,020
offering the other. Are we are we just trading? And at what point if we're trading, where

746
00:58:01,020 --> 00:58:07,140
is the money that we're spending to make this happen? So really, at this moment would we be ahead

747
00:58:07,140 --> 00:58:12,620
or would we be behind because it's going to cost, like you said, Mrs. Duval, quite a bit of money

748
00:58:12,620 --> 00:58:17,940
for this program and even to get it up and running, even if we go as minimal as we possibly can,

749
00:58:17,940 --> 00:58:22,740
We're still going to have to continue as we go throwing money into this and then coaches.

750
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,620
So we have our coaches at school, and they've been there 30 years, a lot of them.

751
00:58:27,740 --> 00:58:32,980
We've had them a long time, and then we're bringing more staff on more coaches for the specialized

752
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:38,440
students in order to make this program robust and make it stand out because it's not going to be like

753
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,400
every other school. It's not going to be a wiki wiki high. It's not going to be what we're saying

754
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,560
parents are going to be understanding some middle school, but parents are going to be elite.

755
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:50,440
it's going to be sports that no one else has. So if these programs are going to be that qualified,

756
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:56,100
and these parents are going to be bringing their kids and stopping wherever they are with any

757
00:58:56,100 --> 00:59:01,560
programs already in because they're bringing them here for those qualified sports. They're going to

758
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:08,400
expect qualified coaches, not your regular coach, not a PE coach. So are we going to be double doing

759
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:14,320
when it comes to salaries? I'm not okay with that either. So there's a whole lot of this that

760
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,420
to make me convince to say yes to something.

761
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,400
I need to know that we are going to be watching our money.

762
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:21,960
We are going to be physically responsible.

763
00:59:22,460 --> 00:59:24,440
We're not going to be throwing good money to bad.

764
00:59:24,740 --> 00:59:26,100
And it's going to work out.

765
00:59:26,100 --> 00:59:29,360
So I will never vote yes to something for that kind of money

766
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:30,540
on a what if.

767
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,500
So we would for me, there's a lot of questions

768
00:59:33,500 --> 00:59:35,200
that would have to be answered.

769
00:59:35,540 --> 00:59:37,660
And I would need to be convinced more than I am.

770
00:59:37,700 --> 00:59:41,100
And I have a lot more to say on this today's not the moment

771
00:59:41,100 --> 00:59:47,280
of why I fill the way I fill and we can dissect it thoroughly, but Mrs. Duval, you're right.

772
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:52,520
We have to be very cautious moving forward on this because I love the idea that they're

773
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,100
wanting to do something different.

774
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:59,720
I love their gumption, but it also has to have some proven substance behind it.

775
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,240
I think that's what he's working on, and he's going to bring back to the workshop, and we can discuss at that time, Mr. Johnson.

776
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:21,020
Yeah, I don't see this. I like the idea that this is thinking in the future when it happens that the program would be there. It'll be established. It's not costing us anything to have this in the manual. Just so it's memorialized.

777
01:00:21,020 --> 01:00:26,500
We all, what are they? 900 homes being built in the city of Brooksville and if we're still at

778
01:00:26,500 --> 01:00:32,000
.3 students, that's 270, that's 90 more students, there'll be a middle school if it's 130.

779
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:39,360
So I mean, we are not going to be lacking for seats. It's 29,000 homes that are slated to be

780
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:45,720
built in this county in the next 5 to 10 years. That can bring it a potential 8,700 new students

781
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:52,100
to have something that may be beneficial in the future, even if we don't activate it, at

782
01:00:52,100 --> 01:00:55,700
least we set the groundwork and we have a framework that's established, and I think that

783
01:00:55,700 --> 01:00:56,620
would be a good idea.

784
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:02,340
I agree with Mrs. Rodriguez, we don't have the money to spend on unbinding equipment and

785
01:01:02,340 --> 01:01:03,680
getting the coaches at this time.

786
01:01:04,180 --> 01:01:08,020
Things may change next year of the year after, but if we're in a position where things are there

787
01:01:08,020 --> 01:01:12,260
to go forward, then we're looking to the future, and we're not living in the past.

788
01:01:12,260 --> 01:01:17,260
The same thing I like, I like the leadership academy and the innovation academy.

789
01:01:17,780 --> 01:01:21,780
We're giving those kids the skills they need to get jobs in the aerospace industry.

790
01:01:22,100 --> 01:01:23,620
Do we have the teachers for that?

791
01:01:23,660 --> 01:01:25,780
No, we don't even know what those jobs are going to be yet.

792
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:27,560
We don't know what skill sets they need.

793
01:01:27,900 --> 01:01:30,660
There's no CTE's that are proof of that as of yet.

794
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,140
So I agree with being forward thinking.

795
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,920
I also agree we shouldn't be, we should not be spending money on it.

796
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:45,140
But if we're putting it into a, into a, uh, a manual, it's setting, it's setting the foundation,

797
01:01:45,380 --> 01:01:48,460
the groundwork for the future. And that's all we're doing. It's the option. Right.

798
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:54,900
Mr. All you had more to add? Could I just add? I don't think it needs to go in the manual at this

799
01:01:54,900 --> 01:02:00,880
time. I believe it has to, or it has to, if it's approved. So I would like to add the approved.

800
01:02:01,860 --> 01:02:07,060
Well, I agree. That's all. If I could just add a little caveat in here.

801
01:02:07,060 --> 01:02:12,060
I'm subject to board approval, regarding dynamic sports academy.

802
01:02:12,220 --> 01:02:13,020
I don't like it.

803
01:02:13,060 --> 01:02:17,620
I feel like that's moving forward without saying or moving forward.

804
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,400
For me, I don't like to put something in.

805
01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:22,200
That's not happening yet, and that we've not agreed upon,

806
01:02:22,580 --> 01:02:24,600
and that we haven't looked at all the superintendent,

807
01:02:24,820 --> 01:02:25,380
sorry.

808
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,680
So I think what you're saying is that it needs to be,

809
01:02:29,820 --> 01:02:34,900
if we have a chance of moving forward next year,

810
01:02:34,900 --> 01:02:39,100
it has to be in there for that.

811
01:02:39,900 --> 01:02:44,480
Yes, I understand that that's correct, but it doesn't have to be next year that we're

812
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:45,080
even looking.

813
01:02:45,100 --> 01:02:45,280
Right.

814
01:02:45,620 --> 01:02:46,560
Yes, that is true.

815
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,200
So it doesn't have to be there.

816
01:02:48,220 --> 01:02:49,360
I think it's false hope.

817
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:50,420
I don't think it's right.

818
01:02:50,500 --> 01:02:53,120
I don't think in teleboard makes a decision.

819
01:02:53,360 --> 01:03:00,180
I don't think we should be putting it in there because that does tell our constituents and

820
01:03:00,180 --> 01:03:04,620
everybody else watching that they already think, well, they're already going to do it.

821
01:03:04,620 --> 01:03:09,580
to me? No, I'm telling you, in my opinion, I don't think that there needs to be a reason at this

822
01:03:09,580 --> 01:03:12,940
moment that to go in there until we know what we're doing with this program.

823
01:03:13,420 --> 01:03:14,080
My superintendent, Pender.

824
01:03:15,340 --> 01:03:21,600
So if we do, if that happens, then this would not be able to take place. If it's not in there

825
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:27,600
now, we would either have to bring it back after whatever decisions made in October when we

826
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:32,600
bring that back. Yes, or no, we would have to bring this back. But by that time, it would

827
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,760
there's still being a time. It would just be delayed a year. Okay. That's a lot of

828
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:40,660
time. So if we don't put it in this, it'll be delayed a year. Correct. So why have that option?

829
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:46,620
Why not just take it out? Because why why run the risk of delaying it another year if we

830
01:03:46,620 --> 01:03:51,940
if we may prove it, I mean we told him to go forward and get the data and come back. Where are you

831
01:03:51,940 --> 01:03:57,800
getting the money? I don't understand. We've just came out of a meeting. I don't know where you think we

832
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:02,220
have the money for it to happen any time this year anyway. So at the end of the day, I'm a realist

833
01:04:02,220 --> 01:04:09,600
And I know, and I see the money, and I'm not certain where we are doing this, not to mention we have coaches at that school.

834
01:04:09,860 --> 01:04:12,280
Those coaches have been with us for 30 plus years.

835
01:04:12,540 --> 01:04:15,380
Those coaches are not going anywhere, nor should they ever.

836
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:23,220
And at this moment to add extra coaches with specialized requirements of what they need to be, that's double paying.

837
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:28,040
If that's the case, no, I want to give that money to our teachers, our teachers need more money.

838
01:04:28,300 --> 01:04:30,280
So no, I'm not okay with all of this right now.

839
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,500
I think this is premature.

840
01:04:32,940 --> 01:04:34,700
I think that we're talking about something

841
01:04:34,700 --> 01:04:36,980
that we don't even have data for to support it.

842
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,920
You can't even come not you, but whoever cannot even come

843
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,800
before me with a good argument to make me to sell me on it.

844
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,180
And until then, I don't think we should be doing this.

845
01:04:46,340 --> 01:04:48,540
I don't see where we have the money unless you guys know

846
01:04:48,540 --> 01:04:49,560
something I don't know.

847
01:04:49,980 --> 01:04:52,060
I know he's doing a pilot right now with students.

848
01:04:52,220 --> 01:04:53,560
And then he also collected data

849
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,180
and he had over 100 people respond that they are interested.

850
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:58,540
Yeah, that's the information I have, I understand.

851
01:04:58,540 --> 01:04:59,440
But they're in.

852
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:29,980
It is an elite program. Based on athletics, based on the fact that we've got a school in the same zone that doesn't have the same capability. So it is a recruitment tool, not only to east side, but to every other, based on the fact that we need a track read on a central high school. Based on the fact that our other schools on our sports need a dressed. We have a lot of things that we can do on our other schools right now that we have just that.

853
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:37,140
side and we have not done because of Mr. Pender, finances. So, at this moment, we do not even

854
01:05:37,140 --> 01:05:41,420
have a track. You go look at Central High School's track and then come back and tell me that

855
01:05:41,420 --> 01:05:46,300
we have money to play with us and I'm not trying to sound negative at all. And I know that you

856
01:05:46,300 --> 01:05:50,760
guys are listening to a parrot and I support each and every one of you. I will do anything and

857
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:55,740
get behind any teacher, any principal, anybody in the school district. If I know that it's going to

858
01:05:55,740 --> 01:06:00,640
beneficial. And by all means, financially, that we're capable of pulling it off. But at this

859
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:05,600
moment, we're not. At this moment, we have other schools that still need things. We have kids

860
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:11,880
playing volleyball over in a development at a home with homes around and the people are calling

861
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,940
in constantly on the children, because they don't want the noise. They don't want the kids there.

862
01:06:16,260 --> 01:06:20,340
It's just, we have a lot of things happening. That's one small thing I get it. But there's a million

863
01:06:20,340 --> 01:06:25,900
more I can sit here and tell you. We need to stop and realize with our sports, with our

864
01:06:25,900 --> 01:06:29,760
schools, where we're at, what we needed to clean up the schools that we currently have,

865
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:34,520
what we need to do to update and to fix us to where we need to be and then we can move forward.

866
01:06:34,700 --> 01:06:40,840
But right now, financially, this is not a place that we have any business trying to put money into.

867
01:06:43,100 --> 01:06:48,860
I don't agree with, I mean, I don't disagree with you on a lot of that. However, in his presentation,

868
01:06:48,860 --> 01:06:55,320
and he did show. If we are able to capture so many students, you will receive this much money

869
01:06:55,320 --> 01:07:00,640
and the program itself will be paid for through capturing those students. I think it's worth

870
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:05,360
having him come back and presenting and discussing that for money when you're losing students

871
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:10,700
at other schools. Gainings, where he's talking about gaining students from citrus and the new

872
01:07:10,700 --> 01:07:14,680
developments coming in. Yeah, talk is cheap too. And at the end of the day, we could talk about

873
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:18,100
a lot of things right here and we can make a lot of decisions at this moment all on talk.

874
01:07:18,100 --> 01:07:22,620
I'm not going to sit here and discuss on talk, and I'm not trying to be just respectful.

875
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:38,060
Please don't take that way, but understand that the five of us have a responsibility to watch out for our schools, all of our sports, everything that's happening on our campuses that we've not maintained, everything that's in ruins when it comes to that.

876
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:44,920
If you really want to sit here and put out our dirty laundry, we can, and we have a lot we could discuss, and it's up to y'all if you want to.

877
01:07:44,920 --> 01:08:00,920
I'll go there. And then the next thing is we have to consider these teachers. We have to consider all these coaches. And like I said, I'm not going to keep repeating it, but but at the end of the day, at this moment, this is this should not be going on. That's all.

878
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:08,460
Well, then we shouldn't have probably told them to do the trial in the first place. And then we were going to do this doesn't cost us money to try.

879
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:13,080
there's nothing wrong with having a vision board. You have to have this as

880
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:17,460
Hawkins a vision board before you can move forward. You have to have something on

881
01:08:17,460 --> 01:08:20,620
the table and you have to be able to see if it's going to work as called

882
01:08:20,620 --> 01:08:24,040
vision board. That would be like saying we want to build a new house but we're

883
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,620
not going to have a vision board beforehand and make decisions. We're just going to

884
01:08:27,620 --> 01:08:30,900
do it at no point even thinking about the vision because we can't get the house yet

885
01:08:30,900 --> 01:08:34,720
today. Well, how do you end up with the house? You have a vision board. And this is

886
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:40,640
great. And how do you end up having a program like this? You have to be proactive and get your

887
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:46,640
paperwork and stuff on time. So it doesn't hurt to have the paperwork in place and then take it

888
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:51,380
off if we all decide at the workshop that we're not going to move forward with it. But you can't

889
01:08:51,380 --> 01:08:56,820
backtrack and try to submit this at a later date when it's October, November. And you're put

890
01:08:56,820 --> 01:09:02,740
as a hurt to move forward with it. It's not costing us at the moment any money to at least have

891
01:09:02,740 --> 01:09:05,580
the right things in place and be proactive in my opinion.

892
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:06,540
Oh, great.

893
01:09:06,580 --> 01:09:07,680
Let's do all.

894
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:11,120
If he was going to pull or whoever's at Parrot,

895
01:09:11,420 --> 01:09:13,240
was only going to pull from Citrus County,

896
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,220
I wouldn't have a problem with it.

897
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,400
But when they're pulling kids from our other schools,

898
01:09:19,060 --> 01:09:22,440
based on an equity of programs,

899
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:24,960
I do have a problem with this.

900
01:09:25,100 --> 01:09:28,700
This becomes an athletic recruiting tool.

901
01:09:29,740 --> 01:09:33,680
And I've dealt with that for years, and I've never

902
01:09:35,790 --> 01:09:40,370
appreciated the fact that that could happen again here.

903
01:09:40,730 --> 01:09:41,650
And that's what it is.

904
01:09:41,690 --> 01:09:43,650
It is recruiting kids.

905
01:09:44,210 --> 01:09:46,010
The majority will come.

906
01:09:46,490 --> 01:09:48,990
You know, unless I've to hold it in as data surge,

907
01:09:49,470 --> 01:09:51,790
that there are 60 kids coming from Citrus County.

908
01:09:51,970 --> 01:09:55,450
I'm not in favor of pulling kids from other schools.

909
01:09:55,710 --> 01:09:56,990
My ball from Chuck and Chattie.

910
01:09:57,210 --> 01:09:59,150
And this is putting the car on, sir.

911
01:09:59,150 --> 01:09:59,970
Once again though.

912
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:06,940
So this is putting the cart before the horse. When we need to do it, and if it turns out to be beneficial, then we can do it.

913
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:15,060
But to do something like this premature and put it up here, that's false hope, that's also, that's an expectation you're putting on there that it's a done deal.

914
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:22,060
So to me, I don't think that that's right. Once again, like I said, it's putting the cart before the horse and I don't agree with that.

915
01:10:22,060 --> 01:10:22,880
Superintendent Pender?

916
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:24,520
What do you want?

917
01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:26,160
I wish you two a

918
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:27,500
vote for consensus.

919
01:10:28,220 --> 01:10:30,100
So I just wanted to clarify that the money,

920
01:10:30,380 --> 01:10:31,400
because that was taught.

921
01:10:31,540 --> 01:10:33,000
So the money would come for this.

922
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,620
Some would come out of general fund and someone come out of

923
01:10:35,620 --> 01:10:36,680
out of capital for the project.

924
01:10:36,780 --> 01:10:39,080
Yeah, we'll take your general fund money and put it on

925
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:39,720
towards the teachers.

926
01:10:40,220 --> 01:10:43,680
Okay. So do we want to take a vote really quick on if we

927
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,620
want to even move this forward in the manual?

928
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,900
If we want her to take it out, if we don't move it forward,

929
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:52,460
they won't be able to start this next year,

930
01:10:52,460 --> 01:10:55,320
even if we decided to prove it, it would have to be the following.

931
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:56,180
That's true, right?

932
01:10:56,660 --> 01:10:57,680
If we did that.

933
01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:58,840
Do you have one more thing to say?

934
01:10:59,040 --> 01:10:59,880
Well, I think we would just.

935
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:00,680
It can be added.

936
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:01,040
It can be added.

937
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:02,840
You can, you can't have it.

938
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:03,500
You can't have it.

939
01:11:03,500 --> 01:11:04,420
But you can talk.

940
01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:05,440
You can sense this.

941
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:05,820
Right.

942
01:11:06,420 --> 01:11:07,720
And you can add this later.

943
01:11:08,140 --> 01:11:08,780
She's saying it.

944
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:09,540
There's a deadline.

945
01:11:10,660 --> 01:11:11,680
Please clarify that.

946
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:11,980
Yes.

947
01:11:11,980 --> 01:11:15,880
So the application and schoolman's going to open up on October 13th.

948
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:17,460
So we'd like to get these manuals.

949
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:19,200
The magnet manual.

950
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:20,300
So by October.

951
01:11:22,500 --> 01:11:25,360
And you could, and you could, and you could, and you could, and so it might be.

952
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:30,580
I could be putting this in here implies that it's probably going to take place.

953
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:31,240
That's right.

954
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:35,880
And that's an implication that I don't, and that think is appropriate at this time.

955
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:36,840
And that's not conducting.

956
01:11:37,180 --> 01:11:38,620
Oh, let's take a vote on it.

957
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:39,360
So that's, all right.

958
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:40,080
That's not.

959
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:41,320
Let's take a vote on it.

960
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:42,080
Let's take a vote on it.

961
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:42,400
That's appropriate.

962
01:11:43,740 --> 01:11:46,400
So Mr. Johnson, how do you feel?

963
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:47,300
I'm in favor.

964
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:47,940
Okay.

965
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:48,580
Mr. Rodriguez?

966
01:11:49,300 --> 01:11:50,100
No. Okay.

967
01:11:50,100 --> 01:11:55,760
I'm in favor. Leave it off. Okay. Off. Okay. So then we're going to take it off.

968
01:11:55,940 --> 01:11:59,220
So you take all the reference out to the dynamic sports performance academy.

969
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:06,720
That's correct. Okay. I will strike all of that. Okay. And then are you finished with your

970
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:13,460
spiel? You have anything else on that? Yes. Mr. Ball, because I'm ready to go on to something else.

971
01:12:13,460 --> 01:12:20,200
will say this if and when it's time and everything is handled appropriately and all the

972
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:23,980
money is there and it's not going to impact the district and it's not going to impact our

973
01:12:23,980 --> 01:12:27,920
coaches and it's not going to affect us and our other schools are also maintained and taking

974
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:33,360
care of by all means I like the idea I think the program wouldn't be a bad thing but once

975
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:40,060
again you have to fill your refrigerator full of groceries first before you can buy the cake in

976
01:12:40,060 --> 01:12:45,660
ice cream. So then I would be a part be in favor of something. I don't I do not think that

977
01:12:45,660 --> 01:12:50,800
it's a bad thing. I like the idea, but I'm not at this moment in favor of moving forward

978
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:52,720
to something that we cannot

979
01:12:54,830 --> 01:12:59,350
prove where we're getting the funds, the students, all of the

980
01:12:59,350 --> 01:13:05,330
costs that it would, that it would take to for the district to make this happen. So that's

981
01:13:05,330 --> 01:13:08,870
why I say no. The other option is to try to bring him back here for a workshop before

982
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:13,030
October 13 meeting and then are before you you know you want to get this

983
01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:16,230
published my October 13th that would be your other option to bring him here.

984
01:13:16,530 --> 01:13:19,570
No we just- Oh I know we're just saying but that would be the other. Yeah.

985
01:13:20,230 --> 01:13:22,670
No other thing. I would say that's not an option.

986
01:13:23,870 --> 01:13:27,250
Okay so I'm just taking all of the dynamic sports.

987
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:31,870
It can be language out of the coronavirus manual. Got it.

988
01:13:32,610 --> 01:13:34,030
Any other questions or concerns?

989
01:13:34,330 --> 01:13:37,290
I do. Yeah I do. We need a swimming pool too.

990
01:13:37,290 --> 01:13:44,010
And that's a real need. So if we're going to do that, then we need to look at a pool. I'd like to

991
01:13:44,010 --> 01:13:49,230
pull it with you. Watch your high school, please. Wait a minute. We need a pool. If we need a gym and a

992
01:13:49,230 --> 01:13:55,270
fee, we have lots of athletic facility. I get athletic facilities at Eastside, please. All right. So I

993
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:59,690
have more of that. I'm requesting. I'm requesting. So let's figure this all out. All right. Getting off

994
01:13:59,690 --> 01:14:06,050
of dynamic sports. I can we do magnet. Thank you. I want to do magnet. Yes, I have to chime in on that.

995
01:14:06,050 --> 01:14:15,130
I know last year I brought it before the board the sibling preference and I'm hoping that you guys can meet me in the middle. Although it's not starting all far and great.

996
01:14:16,770 --> 01:14:20,970
But I don't have hope. No, I have hope.

997
01:14:22,150 --> 01:14:24,850
I've kind of tried to make it meet me in the middle here.

998
01:14:25,150 --> 01:14:34,690
So I would like to amend it where the current magnet school mission process is to provide sibling preference for eligible students who have a sibling currently attending the same magnet school.

999
01:14:34,690 --> 01:14:39,890
Siblings preference would not guarantee the admission or override the program's eligibility

1000
01:14:40,430 --> 01:14:48,490
or class size requirements, eligible siblings would receive priority within the existing lottery.

1001
01:14:48,910 --> 01:14:56,710
That would place them on the top of the lottery list. So for example, if my brother goes to school

1002
01:14:56,710 --> 01:14:59,970
challenge or a choke a chatty and his sister walks.

1003
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:22,440
To go, they would apply for the, for the, do the portfolio. And if they didn't get in, they would automatically get placed at the top of the lottery list before you do your lottery selection. So they would have preference on the lottery list to be selected. It doesn't guarantee them a seat, but it gives them preference on top of your lottery list.

1004
01:15:22,440 --> 01:15:52,420
That makes sense. Yeah, it makes sense. So what I have on the screen is, I pulled the multiples preference language from the procedures manual. Okay, so because we do get multiple we are not well, the multiples preference I'm I want to talk about that when to the multiples preference language is from the magnet program. So what happens with multiples right now if one multiple gets in on the lottery or say portfolio and the other

1005
01:15:52,440 --> 01:15:56,380
multiple doesn't they go up to the top of the waiting list under military, right?

1006
01:15:56,420 --> 01:15:59,480
I know, sometimes they still don't get in, even doing that.

1007
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:05,280
So I would, with that, that's a whole other section that I want to talk about, but with

1008
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:14,240
our twins and multiples, I would like to see where they, when they enter, like it's a

1009
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:14,920
family package.

1010
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:19,360
So if I'm submitting a portfolio, I'm submitting one portfolio for my two children,

1011
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,800
say their twins. And if that poorly,

1012
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,380
portfolio is selected, then both get in.

1013
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:28,040
If not, then they go to the weight list,

1014
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:29,940
but it's still one number on the weight list.

1015
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,260
They don't have to be top of the list.

1016
01:16:33,300 --> 01:16:35,300
They just go to the weight list like anybody else.

1017
01:16:35,700 --> 01:16:38,060
Instead of it having two submissions, it's one.

1018
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:40,300
So do you see what I'm saying?

1019
01:16:40,860 --> 01:16:42,400
Yeah, I see what you're saying.

1020
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:46,020
But if part of admission to the magnet is

1021
01:16:46,020 --> 01:16:53,020
do they meet the magnet criteria, like for Chogachatty, a painter, a dancer, a singer.

1022
01:16:53,020 --> 01:16:56,960
Yeah, because there could be different. But it offers them two opportunities to get in.

1023
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:02,560
If both of them automatically got in, if one got in, then that would be two submissions,

1024
01:17:02,700 --> 01:17:08,340
two opportunities for them to both get in. That's why I was thinking more of the one

1025
01:17:08,340 --> 01:17:13,760
the one option for both kids. Because if you're going to let them both in any ways, you might as well.

1026
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:20,500
Well, we're not letting them both in necessarily anyways right now, but we go to the top of the way.

1027
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:25,300
I think we should. I think it's silly to have one twin there and one twin not.

1028
01:17:25,420 --> 01:17:30,200
So Palm Beach County has one of the clearest approaches for the 2627 choice lottery.

1029
01:17:30,940 --> 01:17:35,560
A student can receive sibling preference when a sibling is already and what choice are being.

1030
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:43,080
This is magnet. She said choice. Okay, because they had it worded. Okay, so magnet.

1031
01:17:44,380 --> 01:17:49,940
When a sibling is already enrolled in the program, then they are going to return the following year.

1032
01:17:50,220 --> 01:17:58,400
The applicant must list that school program as the first, the existing student cannot be in an exiting grade.

1033
01:17:59,100 --> 01:18:01,340
So if that student is leaving, is that what you are saying?

1034
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,240
That's the language we currently have in the screen.

1035
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:18,660
Sivling preference can fill up to 50% of remaining elementary seats and 25, they can do 50% of the seats or you can do 25% depending on what percentage you think after the other categories are all met.

1036
01:18:19,340 --> 01:18:23,800
So you can do you can pull a certain amount a certain percentage that you're going to give four siblings.

1037
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:30,920
I know in the past we've had discussions on the sibling preference and it was not overwhelmingly

1038
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:37,400
in favor because I think that I did not or a lot of a sit-in want a process that would make

1039
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:43,460
admissions automatic and this intern would be shutting new families out. So being unfair to a child

1040
01:18:43,460 --> 01:18:50,900
who doesn't already have a sibling there, I felt like that wouldn't be appropriate just to

1041
01:18:50,900 --> 01:18:55,860
automatically give five or six siblings in a household automatic entrance into the school.

1042
01:18:55,900 --> 01:18:59,800
And then the parent that has one child has been waiting does not get in.

1043
01:18:59,940 --> 01:19:04,440
That was my feelings before and that feel while that feeling still remains.

1044
01:19:05,060 --> 01:19:08,620
I am willing on revisiting this as long as we can come up with a fair process.

1045
01:19:09,220 --> 01:19:12,760
I would consider a policy where all the students must first meet the same

1046
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:14,620
magnet eligibility requirement.

1047
01:19:14,620 --> 01:19:21,560
Subliming preference should mean that a sibling automatically receives a seat, regardless of qualifications or capacity.

1048
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:30,040
And I think establishing an order such as eligibility requirements first followed by sibling preference and then the established lottery process.

1049
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:32,120
So, agreed.

1050
01:19:32,900 --> 01:19:34,780
The siblings should have to do the same process.

1051
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:35,780
Mr. Johnson?

1052
01:19:36,440 --> 01:19:39,240
Yeah, my thoughts are the last time and they still haven't changed.

1053
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:46,600
So we have 70% of the kids go in by lottery who reserve 20% of the vacant seats in kindergarten

1054
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:52,240
first grade for a civil preference that gets filled up.

1055
01:19:52,440 --> 01:19:52,720
It's done.

1056
01:19:52,940 --> 01:19:57,800
It's not used to go back into the lottery system and the only grades I can see that happening

1057
01:19:57,800 --> 01:19:59,660
or children entering kindergarten.

1058
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:05,280
Or 1st grade. After that, they don't wouldn't get a sibling preference.

1059
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:11,620
But you could buy me. And that would stop a lot of these parents who go from school to school to school.

1060
01:20:12,180 --> 01:20:15,780
And then home and can't work in a situation where the economy is tough.

1061
01:20:15,860 --> 01:20:18,020
And you could cap the sibling preference.

1062
01:20:18,220 --> 01:20:26,960
So I just say 25% of available incoming seats. So if 100 were available, no more than 25 would be filled to the sibling family.

1063
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:35,040
Miss flames. So just just so you know I did rush to this side because we did just review this back in May

1064
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:43,040
So this year for example in first grade there were zero seats offered for a challenger and

1065
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:49,920
There were a couple for first grade the majority of the seats that are offered in our magnet lotteries our kindergarten

1066
01:20:50,740 --> 01:20:54,140
fifth and six and then ninth

1067
01:20:55,360 --> 01:21:00,100
So, you could, you could, you know, say it's not guaranteed.

1068
01:21:00,500 --> 01:21:00,820
Correct.

1069
01:21:01,060 --> 01:21:02,060
You could change the preference.

1070
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:04,740
But if there's no seats offered, they're still not going to get in.

1071
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:08,860
And I think that's a lot of what the public doesn't understand.

1072
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,620
That's necessarily is that there's just not a lot of seats.

1073
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,820
Once kids get in these schools, they're typically leaving them.

1074
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:15,960
Or there's things.

1075
01:21:16,180 --> 01:21:16,720
They don't know anything.

1076
01:21:17,180 --> 01:21:17,400
So, right.

1077
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:22,100
And that's why I would like to change that way to state that you still have the preference.

1078
01:21:22,100 --> 01:21:24,900
like we're looking at it, but there's no guarantee.

1079
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,940
It's due to what we have available.

1080
01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:28,680
Right. Right.

1081
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:30,760
Class size, school capacity, class capacity.

1082
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:32,400
We're up on the slide.

1083
01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:33,900
I had the proposed language.

1084
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,780
So we're not guaranteeing admission simply because you have a sibling.

1085
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:40,160
But we don't have to go through the same process.

1086
01:21:40,540 --> 01:21:43,060
We want to recognize the importance of keeping families together

1087
01:21:43,060 --> 01:21:45,440
while protecting the majority of available seats

1088
01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:46,700
for all qualified students.

1089
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:49,660
So at the end of the day, it's more about, I think, Mrs. Hawkins.

1090
01:21:49,660 --> 01:21:50,740
Correct me if I'm wrong.

1091
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:55,680
parents who are having to go to three and four different schools for their children because

1092
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:59,800
they have one there and the rest of their places. But back when we had this discussion,

1093
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:06,640
once again, I want to be fair to the parents who only have one or two kids opposed to a family

1094
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:13,780
that's got five or six. So I'm okay with revisiting this and trying to figure out something

1095
01:22:13,780 --> 01:22:18,600
to be able to help all parties involved, but I also want to be fair throughout it.

1096
01:22:20,300 --> 01:22:26,440
So the language I came up with is if you apply for children that already have a sibling

1097
01:22:26,440 --> 01:22:30,360
attending the school applying to and they are not placed via a lottery or portfolio.

1098
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:38,080
The sibling will be placed on the weightless immediately following children designated as

1099
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:38,480
multiples.

1100
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:43,380
However, if the sibling attending is an exiting fifth, eighth or 12th grade student, the preference

1101
01:22:43,380 --> 01:22:47,860
will not apply in applications during the application period for each child are required

1102
01:22:47,860 --> 01:22:52,860
in order to claim multiple's preference that should really be siblings' preference.

1103
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:58,470
I don't know if that encapsulates what you're looking for.

1104
01:22:59,390 --> 01:23:03,650
I'm just limiting it to students going in kindergarten in first grade.

1105
01:23:04,050 --> 01:23:08,350
Because now, over Charlie, you've got a kid going in and then he's got a younger brother, a sister.

1106
01:23:09,070 --> 01:23:12,050
As they get older, you've got one kid and third grade of fourth grade.

1107
01:23:12,410 --> 01:23:16,850
Now, you have a child who's school age going to kindergarten.

1108
01:23:16,850 --> 01:23:23,170
net that child to get a a sibling preference not an older brother a sister for a first grade

1109
01:23:23,170 --> 01:23:27,810
because we could offer it to the other ones but like she's saying there's nine times out of

1110
01:23:27,810 --> 01:23:32,870
the tent there's not going to be a seat right for the idea like it was kindergarten parent and

1111
01:23:32,870 --> 01:23:38,710
convenience and keeping the kids together. We also have a job for all the voting for what you are

1112
01:23:38,710 --> 01:23:44,370
what a 20% or whatever that we can enjoy. Can you read it to me again please?

1113
01:23:44,370 --> 01:23:45,290
to say a little louder.

1114
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:46,150
Yeah, I had it.

1115
01:23:46,150 --> 01:23:47,170
Is what I wanted to say.

1116
01:23:48,050 --> 01:23:52,510
The only thing with the exiting fifth grade, he's great in Towsker.

1117
01:23:52,510 --> 01:23:54,490
I know that's across the board for different magnet schools.

1118
01:23:54,570 --> 01:23:56,990
I just don't want that to apply for challenge or challenge.

1119
01:23:57,390 --> 01:23:58,430
We have to be more specific.

1120
01:23:58,430 --> 01:24:00,450
Yeah, we have to be more specific with that right.

1121
01:24:00,670 --> 01:24:05,310
But if they're leaving eighth grade and they have one coming in and they shouldn't get the

1122
01:24:05,310 --> 01:24:05,570
preference.

1123
01:24:05,690 --> 01:24:06,210
That's right.

1124
01:24:06,270 --> 01:24:09,590
Because to me, it's no different than the family that has one kid.

1125
01:24:09,690 --> 01:24:10,010
They're the same.

1126
01:24:10,450 --> 01:24:10,470
Correct.

1127
01:24:10,670 --> 01:24:13,690
But I was saying in fifth grade, if they're at challenge or in their fifth grade, then they

1128
01:24:13,690 --> 01:24:15,310
should get, I feel like they should get a preference.

1129
01:24:15,650 --> 01:24:16,790
All right, so here's a few others.

1130
01:24:17,070 --> 01:24:21,230
Miami-Dade has another interesting model for siblings

1131
01:24:21,230 --> 01:24:22,050
applying together.

1132
01:24:22,370 --> 01:24:24,670
Its magnet policy allows siblings to be linked

1133
01:24:24,670 --> 01:24:26,850
in the application, so they run together

1134
01:24:26,850 --> 01:24:28,730
in random selection programs.

1135
01:24:29,370 --> 01:24:31,350
If one linked sibling is selected,

1136
01:24:31,870 --> 01:24:34,410
the linked sibling siblings can be admitted,

1137
01:24:34,850 --> 01:24:36,690
provided each child independently

1138
01:24:36,690 --> 01:24:38,650
meets the eligibility requirements

1139
01:24:38,650 --> 01:24:40,630
and applies to that magnet program.

1140
01:24:41,670 --> 01:24:43,050
That's exactly kind of what I was saying

1141
01:24:43,050 --> 01:24:59,970
What was your first one now first one? Let's go back to Palm Beach. I think that was Palm Beach County has one of the clearest approaches for its 2627 lottery. A student can receive sibling preference when a sibling is already enrolled.

1142
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:15,140
In that program, and we'll be returning the following year. The applicant must list that school, slash program, as the first choice. So this must be on choice. That's choice. And the existing student cannot be in an exiting grade.

1143
01:25:15,580 --> 01:25:27,780
Importantly, Palm Beach caps the impact. Subliming preference can fill up to 50%. Now, they're working on choice to solicit. Subliming preference can fill up to 50% of remaining elementary seats.

1144
01:25:27,780 --> 01:25:33,960
and 25% of remaining secondary seats after higher priority categories are handled.

1145
01:25:34,220 --> 01:25:38,480
What is it right now for the Portfolio and the Lottery? Maybe we can

1146
01:25:39,060 --> 01:25:39,880
730.

1147
01:25:40,260 --> 01:25:42,620
Thank you. We do 630 and 10.

1148
01:25:44,440 --> 01:25:48,440
Let me read one more. Let me read one more. 10 more and 10 County.

1149
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:55,060
30 for or limited for 60. It's published magnet guide guidance provides sibling preference for

1150
01:25:55,060 --> 01:25:59,400
elementary magnet applicants when the older sibling will return the following year.

1151
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,900
The younger siblings still has to meet the program's qualifying criteria.

1152
01:26:03,540 --> 01:26:08,940
When demand exceeds available seats, eligible students are placed through the computer-generated

1153
01:26:08,940 --> 01:26:09,440
lottery.

1154
01:26:10,620 --> 01:26:11,320
That's what they do.

1155
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:11,840
Michelle?

1156
01:26:13,140 --> 01:26:19,960
What I was thinking is that the lottery is 70%, so you reserve 20% to sibling preference per

1157
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:20,300
grade.

1158
01:26:20,780 --> 01:26:23,100
If it's not used, it goes back into the lottery.

1159
01:26:23,100 --> 01:26:28,240
So you go 50, 20 and the left to the lottery is our lottery pills.

1160
01:26:29,380 --> 01:26:32,480
Well, because you had a figure in the school, what all the teachers we have, we were

1161
01:26:32,480 --> 01:26:36,140
So I think what you said, the Palm Beach you liked because if our goal was to be family

1162
01:26:36,140 --> 01:26:40,640
friendly, but still fair to the families that are trying to get into the magnet for the first

1163
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:44,900
time, which is what I want to make sure that we do on both sides, that Palm Beach concept

1164
01:26:44,900 --> 01:26:47,640
gives us the best starting point.

1165
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:52,540
They're going with eligibility first, sibling preference second, lottery for remaining

1166
01:26:52,540 --> 01:27:00,380
And then you could go one step further and cap the sibling preference, like we were talking at 25% of available incoming seats.

1167
01:27:00,740 --> 01:27:07,980
And so that's when I originally was saying about having them at the top of the lottery list, but I like the percentage better.

1168
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:16,520
The remaining seats would remain available through the, like if we did 100 seats, the remaining 75 seats would remain available through the regular magnet lottery.

1169
01:27:19,380 --> 01:27:23,760
I don't know about the numbers whether I agree with that yet.

1170
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:25,560
Yeah. We have to think about it.

1171
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:35,000
But the reason this came about years ago is because you had parents who were wanting to get their kids in.

1172
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:40,100
But there's no seats because the siblings were taking up all of the seats.

1173
01:27:40,620 --> 01:27:42,180
So we have to be fair.

1174
01:27:42,180 --> 01:27:44,060
Well, that's what the percentage of them do.

1175
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:45,880
Yeah, that's why you have the percentages.

1176
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:50,220
That's why we found ourselves where we are today with it.

1177
01:27:50,780 --> 01:27:52,160
And where we just cut it off.

1178
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:53,380
Yes, we just eliminated.

1179
01:27:53,580 --> 01:27:55,400
So a portion of those seats is protected.

1180
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,100
It's what we need to do if we're going to do this for new families.

1181
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,560
So the magnet remains accessible, district wide, rather than gradually

1182
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:04,380
we can be becoming dominated by sibling admissions.

1183
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:05,020
Great.

1184
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:07,720
We've been with that as we change the percentages.

1185
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:12,340
is that one time it was 50% or 60% by portfolio,

1186
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:14,600
and the rest was through lottery.

1187
01:28:15,220 --> 01:28:16,120
And that's where the problems.

1188
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:17,460
Then we changed that we reversed it.

1189
01:28:17,460 --> 01:28:21,720
We gave 70% to lottery, and 30% to a portfolio.

1190
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:24,240
And since it's so high, like you say,

1191
01:28:24,420 --> 01:28:28,880
if you take 25% of those 70% or if you take 20%

1192
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:33,820
of the total seats and reserve it for sibling preference,

1193
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,320
and if it's not used, it gets converted back to a lottery.

1194
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:45,280
Yeah, so the seas could fill that that's not a problem, but I I I I prefer I'd like the idea of limiting it to

1195
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:51,060
Can the garden first grade see can't have it. Just don't limit it. That would be too too much

1196
01:28:52,300 --> 01:28:57,020
Am I not correct it's going to be limited no matter what it's going to be right don't have no seats and

1197
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:03,620
Besides fourth grade and how it's open because they just move up right and maybe middle school

1198
01:29:03,620 --> 01:29:06,340
We might start to have seats six-grade come around

1199
01:29:06,340 --> 01:29:09,840
if some of the kids are leaving from to most don't.

1200
01:29:10,020 --> 01:29:12,000
But if they do challenge or move, whatever,

1201
01:29:12,140 --> 01:29:13,120
we may have a seat open.

1202
01:29:13,500 --> 01:29:15,700
But other than that, those seats are always going to be limited.

1203
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,800
So I think if we do a percentage, if we're going to do this,

1204
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,240
we do a percentage, and you make it some more fair,

1205
01:29:21,580 --> 01:29:24,460
and you do a 10% of siblings.

1206
01:29:24,540 --> 01:29:29,820
Some more fair, fair, 10% of siblings,

1207
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:32,100
60% of the lottery,

1208
01:29:32,100 --> 01:29:36,660
And then you still have your 30% of your portfolio.

1209
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:41,980
I like 2040, just personally, 30, 2040.

1210
01:29:42,220 --> 01:29:42,980
Shall or may?

1211
01:29:43,260 --> 01:29:43,300
Great.

1212
01:29:43,700 --> 01:29:44,400
Okay, Superintendent Hender.

1213
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:46,420
If I just wait long enough, it comes up.

1214
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:48,480
So I was going to say that.

1215
01:29:48,480 --> 01:29:51,040
I mean, if you do a percentage, I was going to say what you said.

1216
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:55,720
If you did a percentage, and I'm looking back here, Gina and Lisa, those seats,

1217
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:59,980
or if you did whatever the percentage is, 10% let's say that.

1218
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,500
I would be basically in kindergarten, maybe first grade, a little, but after that, there's not many seats moving forward anyway.

1219
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:28,320
It would be kindergarten but first, let's think about this. If you do a 10% of our things, right, and it's 90.99.9% is our kindergarten kids. They would have a thing that say we have a sibling that would put them to the top of the list, top of the lottery, once that 10% is filled, that's it for siblings and then we move on.

1220
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:33,980
And the story, we let some siblings in, we can't let every sibling in, and it still has to be fair.

1221
01:30:34,460 --> 01:30:39,160
So, right, it's going to still be a lottery of those siblings. They're not guaranteed.

1222
01:30:39,460 --> 01:30:44,620
But 10% is nothing. If I go to the store and I, it's something's 10% off, it's that is something we want.

1223
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:52,240
So, we can do 20%, we can change it too. Well, it's good. It's the 20%, 20%, 50%.

1224
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:52,380
I have.

1225
01:30:52,740 --> 01:30:53,760
It's 20, 30.

1226
01:30:53,900 --> 01:30:55,420
Well, portfolio is 30%.

1227
01:30:55,420 --> 01:30:56,320
And I can ask.

1228
01:30:56,380 --> 01:30:58,300
And siblings 20 and 40's lottery.

1229
01:30:58,580 --> 01:30:59,540
Can I ask a question?

1230
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:02,300
Mrs. Micolico, Mrs. Cropley, which is not 100.

1231
01:31:02,500 --> 01:31:03,020
Coming forward.

1232
01:31:03,380 --> 01:31:04,700
I would like to hear from that one.

1233
01:31:05,620 --> 01:31:06,100
50.

1234
01:31:07,420 --> 01:31:07,760
Sorry.

1235
01:31:10,300 --> 01:31:16,240
So I think that at kindergarten, if I remember, right, they have six kindergarten allocations.

1236
01:31:16,780 --> 01:31:18,480
I think it's six pretty much.

1237
01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:30,540
the way through. So six times 18 is 108 and 108 students, so 10% would be 11, 10 or 11.

1238
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:38,040
There's 20 children throughout the district. That's, that's.

1239
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:39,220
Okay, reasonable first.

1240
01:31:39,500 --> 01:31:40,060
Well, all right.

1241
01:31:40,380 --> 01:31:41,720
Welcome. Thank you.

1242
01:31:41,900 --> 01:31:42,300
Was it properly?

1243
01:31:44,970 --> 01:31:46,730
So was there a question, are you?

1244
01:31:46,910 --> 01:31:48,470
Our question is tell us what you think.

1245
01:31:48,490 --> 01:31:49,290
Let's have a discussion.

1246
01:31:49,290 --> 01:31:51,490
Do you like the percentage of it?

1247
01:31:51,490 --> 01:31:52,430
Do you like any of it?

1248
01:31:52,430 --> 01:32:01,350
The original intent of a magnet is to draw students with a particular area of interest or talent.

1249
01:32:02,430 --> 01:32:07,610
And that doesn't necessarily mean that everybody in that family has that same interest or talent.

1250
01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:18,770
We do know that our magnets weren't necessarily set up the way a magnet should have been set up in an area of the county

1251
01:32:18,770 --> 01:32:21,210
that you're trying to draw people to.

1252
01:32:21,490 --> 01:32:27,430
We have very successful magnets here, and I think that the intent of this board is to try

1253
01:32:27,430 --> 01:32:31,770
to make it so that families can stay together and not be running all over the place.

1254
01:32:32,470 --> 01:32:37,510
I feel like a few years ago there was a movement when it came to multiples and putting

1255
01:32:37,510 --> 01:32:41,290
language in the magnet procedures for multiples.

1256
01:32:42,550 --> 01:32:50,850
We do have statutory, we have to give the military first preference for that waiting list.

1257
01:32:51,290 --> 01:32:56,710
And I would think, and Don worked on the language kind of duplicating what the multiple

1258
01:32:56,710 --> 01:32:59,410
languages for sibling preference.

1259
01:32:59,610 --> 01:33:05,250
I think it's going to get a little muddy when you start limiting percentages, you know,

1260
01:33:05,250 --> 01:33:08,410
and then I just think about from being a magnet principal.

1261
01:33:08,410 --> 01:33:19,580
Okay, this this one would drew I have to try to call up the same thing where they lottery where they portfolio was at sibling preference so if you are going to do it

1262
01:33:21,290 --> 01:33:27,910
I would say we follow the same procedures as what we have for multiples if there's enough spots

1263
01:33:28,750 --> 01:33:35,750
You know, they get in if there's not then they go on that portion of the

1264
01:33:36,850 --> 01:33:42,390
being a former principal, what, from there, what would you say?

1265
01:33:42,510 --> 01:33:49,510
I would say, um, Don's right, a years ago, there was, it was all of the spots were taken

1266
01:33:49,510 --> 01:33:51,710
up by sibling preference.

1267
01:33:51,910 --> 01:33:53,690
That's why I like to have the percentage, though.

1268
01:33:53,690 --> 01:33:57,870
I feel like it's not, putting them at the top of the list, no one's going to get in because

1269
01:33:57,870 --> 01:34:01,090
you're going to take all your magnet, you're going to take all your lottery, and then they

1270
01:34:01,090 --> 01:34:04,470
go to the top of the lottery list after it's selected, so they just sit there, so we're in

1271
01:34:04,470 --> 01:34:10,110
position is changing absolutely nothing. But that's why last time when this came a few months ago,

1272
01:34:10,110 --> 01:34:15,410
that's why I had said no, only because I do not want to be unfair to a child who does not already

1273
01:34:15,410 --> 01:34:21,490
have a sibling there. And once again, like you said, we'll be in that position where the whole school

1274
01:34:21,490 --> 01:34:28,290
is siblings. And if you have just one student and you've always wanted to see your student go there

1275
01:34:28,290 --> 01:34:33,250
and the chances you ever getting there are slim to none, I think that's unfair too. So for me,

1276
01:34:33,250 --> 01:34:44,250
I don't mind compromising. I don't mind helping families. I don't mind making it to where a mother or a father or a grandparent does not have to run to three different schools, but not at the expense of

1277
01:34:45,690 --> 01:34:49,810
the right the parents who do not have siblings like that. I want it to be able to.

1278
01:34:49,890 --> 01:34:58,830
So a child in a magic school, who who's not zone there and they're failing the classes, aren't they removed to their zone school?

1279
01:35:00,690 --> 01:35:21,870
Now right away, we just work with them. Right away, I want to be silent, we're like current, but you know, we shot the point, I think the safest way to feel it would be a percentage, a great 10% or fit, whatever the board agrees upon, 20% that sibling preference get for a shot at going into the school. And then the rest goes lottery and yada yada yada.

1280
01:35:21,870 --> 01:35:25,390
This is Michael Ike, do you like the idea at all or none?

1281
01:35:27,990 --> 01:35:32,430
So I'm looking at this from both perspectives from, you know, a fan.

1282
01:35:32,430 --> 01:35:37,950
family perspective, you know, where you have a family that has young children and they

1283
01:35:37,950 --> 01:35:43,490
have to drop their child off at this school and this school and this school, going back

1284
01:35:43,490 --> 01:35:48,990
to what Lisa had shared and how our magnets, you know, where they were built and the purpose

1285
01:35:48,990 --> 01:35:53,510
and that kind of thing, you know, that's, it is what it is at that point, but I think for

1286
01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:59,530
families there needs to be, you know, if we can't all agree on what that looks like then

1287
01:35:59,530 --> 01:36:04,630
doesn't need to be a percentage because I feel like that's the right thing to do for families,

1288
01:36:04,970 --> 01:36:11,750
and keeping families together, having one sibling in kindergarten at this school and another

1289
01:36:11,750 --> 01:36:14,630
third grade is really difficult.

1290
01:36:16,710 --> 01:36:21,230
So I think having some flexibility would definitely be beneficial

1291
01:36:21,230 --> 01:36:27,290
for students. I'm releasing families, but not the other thing, you know, that whole choice piece.

1292
01:36:27,290 --> 01:36:32,830
I mean, there's a lot of choices and that helps with our car line as well, and all the different schools.

1293
01:36:33,430 --> 01:36:34,210
Right. Right.

1294
01:36:34,730 --> 01:36:38,910
And I just stand corrected that there's five allocations at Challenger and kindergarten

1295
01:36:38,910 --> 01:36:45,030
one is, I guess, gifted. So there's a total of six, but five for magnet. So that would be 90 students.

1296
01:36:46,070 --> 01:36:50,350
So don't just trying to give you the number. So when you think of percentages that you know, like,

1297
01:36:50,450 --> 01:36:55,930
so if it's if it was 10%, basically you're talking about nine nine possible spots,

1298
01:36:59,190 --> 01:37:05,510
So do we want her to come back and bring this back or do we want to agree and have her fix it and move forward?

1299
01:37:06,090 --> 01:37:10,470
Okay, so what person would like her just explain. So Mrs. Cropley, do you share the same sentiments?

1300
01:37:11,410 --> 01:37:17,690
I mean, I think at this point in our school choice journey and all of the barriers that we're up against.

1301
01:37:17,690 --> 01:37:18,530
Why are they?

1302
01:37:18,710 --> 01:37:20,430
Obviously the two of you is good cop.

1303
01:37:20,970 --> 01:37:21,630
I know.

1304
01:37:22,030 --> 01:37:22,670
So I know.

1305
01:37:22,670 --> 01:37:24,330
I need to get your perspective as well.

1306
01:37:24,330 --> 01:37:25,770
Maybe the bad cop answer.

1307
01:37:26,010 --> 01:37:26,770
I didn't.

1308
01:37:26,810 --> 01:37:27,770
The bad cop.

1309
01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:29,230
She's already answered it.

1310
01:37:29,330 --> 01:37:35,550
So basically if I heard you write, you really don't want to open it back up because of what happened in the past.

1311
01:37:36,090 --> 01:37:36,570
I agree.

1312
01:37:37,550 --> 01:37:41,570
I think sibling preference are going to have a school of all siblings.

1313
01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:44,730
I absolutely understand not with the instance.

1314
01:37:45,030 --> 01:37:46,130
Not with the person.

1315
01:37:46,330 --> 01:37:46,570
Right.

1316
01:37:46,570 --> 01:37:50,590
I understand the intent of it and and do you help families out?

1317
01:37:50,590 --> 01:37:53,470
Do you want to speak on Mrs. Hawkins telling you not what the percentage is?

1318
01:37:53,530 --> 01:37:53,950
What do you feel about?

1319
01:37:53,950 --> 01:37:56,630
I think that that is a compromise.

1320
01:37:57,270 --> 01:37:58,950
That would be to allow.

1321
01:37:59,230 --> 01:38:01,910
So now we think under so many of the.

1322
01:38:02,250 --> 01:38:03,410
Well, that's where I am.

1323
01:38:03,590 --> 01:38:05,850
When is that going to happen if it?

1324
01:38:05,850 --> 01:38:07,910
Well, and if it is a sibling that.

1325
01:38:08,230 --> 01:38:11,650
Um, moves in the sibling position is open at the end of the day.

1326
01:38:11,770 --> 01:38:13,670
There's not a sibling goes back to lottery anyways.

1327
01:38:13,810 --> 01:38:15,990
So your lottery number may end up being higher.

1328
01:38:18,210 --> 01:38:21,370
Do we want to talk about what if it's more?

1329
01:38:21,550 --> 01:38:21,570
No.

1330
01:38:22,570 --> 01:38:23,010
We can.

1331
01:38:23,090 --> 01:38:26,330
What if the siblings are more than they're just on the lottery list?

1332
01:38:26,350 --> 01:38:27,050
They're on the list.

1333
01:38:27,110 --> 01:38:27,830
I mean, because we don't.

1334
01:38:27,950 --> 01:38:29,390
And we said it's not guaranteed.

1335
01:38:29,850 --> 01:38:30,690
It's not quite for any.

1336
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:32,870
But I do want to go back to twins.

1337
01:38:33,070 --> 01:38:37,150
I do still hold strong that I think if one twin gets any other should get in.

1338
01:38:37,250 --> 01:38:39,470
That's a different category.

1339
01:38:39,650 --> 01:38:40,250
That's a different category.

1340
01:38:40,250 --> 01:38:41,810
We have to talk about it, but I know.

1341
01:38:41,810 --> 01:38:47,690
Can you imagine having two kindergartners and one of them doesn't get in and that's just terrible?

1342
01:38:48,770 --> 01:38:56,490
That that is that is a reference. Yeah, there is but it doesn't happen. It doesn't because you're your your magnets kids get in and the water

1343
01:38:56,490 --> 01:39:04,130
Get in and they like go to that talk and usually at that point. They go to their zone school together the twins and they tie it in the next year

1344
01:39:04,610 --> 01:39:10,150
We still disagree and I had triplets and our thing and my kids. Yeah, so

1345
01:39:10,670 --> 01:39:17,210
Okay, but anyway, 60, 30, 10, the multiples, if they get in, one gets in and one don't.

1346
01:39:18,450 --> 01:39:21,050
Okay, I'll then prepare and help make the choice.

1347
01:39:21,230 --> 01:39:24,950
I'll give you guys some percentages, and I'll go with that some.

1348
01:39:26,210 --> 01:39:29,270
But the multiples, I agree with Mrs. Bonsick.

1349
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:33,110
Okay, fine. I still think I'm not going to give you Mrs. Hawkins the multiples.

1350
01:39:33,930 --> 01:39:38,990
So I got, I thought I'm 10. I'm good. I think 30, 20, 50.

1351
01:39:42,450 --> 01:39:44,170
I said six months ago.

1352
01:39:44,190 --> 01:39:45,850
Didn't see the lottery.

1353
01:39:47,690 --> 01:39:48,330
Thirty.

1354
01:39:49,110 --> 01:39:49,490
Fort.

1355
01:39:50,850 --> 01:39:52,130
And ten.

1356
01:39:52,510 --> 01:39:53,830
That's not very many.

1357
01:39:54,030 --> 01:39:54,850
That's what's.

1358
01:39:54,990 --> 01:39:55,270
That's what's.

1359
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:55,550
That's okay.

1360
01:39:55,730 --> 01:39:56,690
It's like one night.

1361
01:39:57,150 --> 01:39:58,670
What percentage do you like?

1362
01:39:59,230 --> 01:39:59,970
My concern.

1363
01:40:03,060 --> 01:40:11,940
So, my concern is if you, if you have 10% and you're saying we're just doing kindergarten, we're offering 90 cents, that's nine kids.

1364
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:14,900
We probably wouldn't have more than nine siblings.

1365
01:40:15,500 --> 01:40:19,480
But if you had more, then how do you block the route we want?

1366
01:40:19,780 --> 01:40:24,420
Hold on, don't change your numbers yet. Let's miss this way.

1367
01:40:24,420 --> 01:40:30,020
go ahead, and how do you what? They would just go on the waiting list if they didn't get in

1368
01:40:30,020 --> 01:40:35,060
in that percentage. So we say it would be nine kids, essentially. If it's the 10 percent.

1369
01:40:36,060 --> 01:40:41,960
Well, well, depending on how many, if we're, as guests, we're meeting in nine, it's between eight and nine

1370
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:46,240
siblings are allowed. That's for kindergarten. That's in a kindergarten. So that means in mind,

1371
01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:50,920
there's a lot of years having been the principal there. There's a lot of years where

1372
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:55,220
are most of your other grade levels don't have any seats available.

1373
01:40:55,620 --> 01:40:57,260
You might have one.

1374
01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:57,300
Right.

1375
01:40:58,080 --> 01:40:58,560
It's interesting.

1376
01:40:58,600 --> 01:40:59,260
Six grade.

1377
01:40:59,500 --> 01:41:00,260
It'll be kindergarten.

1378
01:41:00,500 --> 01:41:02,280
But that's where you do the whole.

1379
01:41:02,440 --> 01:41:03,920
If we don't have a availability.

1380
01:41:04,540 --> 01:41:05,800
We don't have a availability.

1381
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:07,300
We can't put kids in.

1382
01:41:07,300 --> 01:41:10,320
Even if they were on the lottery and not siblings, we can't put them in a seat.

1383
01:41:10,460 --> 01:41:11,040
If we don't have available.

1384
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:11,400
Okay.

1385
01:41:11,480 --> 01:41:12,400
Let's make consensus here.

1386
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:15,440
Are we doing, are we doing the 10% or we doing that?

1387
01:41:15,500 --> 01:41:17,200
I prefer a 20%.

1388
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:23,400
one did you what did you what did you guys suggest she's asking the board I know but I want

1389
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:28,160
to ask a more responsible as well I just want that you want 50 30 20 or do you want my

1390
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:34,160
recommended to be the 10 and let's see how that goes but let's start with that. Well it's good

1391
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:38,820
and we'll also be able to click data and see honestly it would be great. I mean this is brought to you

1392
01:41:38,820 --> 01:41:46,980
every year we'll have that data and I'll argue the twins next year. Every year you can yes 60 30 20 for

1393
01:41:46,980 --> 01:41:49,020
70%. I think it's 10%. Thank you.

1394
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:51,640
60, 30, 10. 30. 10. Yes.

1395
01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:53,280
That's what I said, didn't I?

1396
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:54,520
No. No.

1397
01:41:54,540 --> 01:41:54,780
You said that.

1398
01:41:54,780 --> 01:41:56,540
They say they've got the 20 going on.

1399
01:41:56,660 --> 01:41:57,400
Okay, 60, 30.

1400
01:41:57,680 --> 01:41:58,960
10, that's what I had to begin with.

1401
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:02,680
Okay. And that is speaking specifically for

1402
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:05,140
challenge or that is anybody that has

1403
01:42:05,140 --> 01:42:06,640
at the school because that does include

1404
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:07,960
our gifted programs.

1405
01:42:07,980 --> 01:42:10,880
So if they're, anybody at the school, I agree

1406
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:12,540
with that. And challenge and

1407
01:42:12,540 --> 01:42:13,260
choke a chatty.

1408
01:42:13,500 --> 01:42:15,280
Any, both schools like six.

1409
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:16,140
That's what we got.

1410
01:42:16,260 --> 01:42:16,380
Right.

1411
01:42:16,380 --> 01:42:19,020
First of all, what program they're in is my question.

1412
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:19,480
Yes.

1413
01:42:19,480 --> 01:42:21,160
San Diego is nature coast.

1414
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:24,600
Nature coast is zoned, partially.

1415
01:42:24,820 --> 01:42:26,560
Partially zoned.

1416
01:42:27,220 --> 01:42:27,300
So.

1417
01:42:27,580 --> 01:42:28,280
Same for senators.

1418
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:29,460
Why make it?

1419
01:42:29,480 --> 01:42:29,960
Why complicated?

1420
01:42:30,440 --> 01:42:32,960
Because they don't have a portfolio at nature coast.

1421
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:33,840
They don't have a lottery.

1422
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:35,680
It's all auto with nature coast.

1423
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:36,780
All lot of you, so.

1424
01:42:36,780 --> 01:42:37,400
For Senna's farm.

1425
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:37,980
10% percent.

1426
01:42:37,980 --> 01:42:39,820
I'm going to have 10% keep it the same.

1427
01:42:40,380 --> 01:42:40,620
So it works.

1428
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:44,820
So it's 70% lottery, 30%

1429
01:42:44,820 --> 01:42:46,280
zone right now.

1430
01:42:47,480 --> 01:42:48,540
So we're 60.

1431
01:42:48,540 --> 01:42:50,200
We're 60, 30 and 10.

1432
01:42:53,100 --> 01:42:53,340
Okay.

1433
01:42:53,460 --> 01:42:54,220
Same as all.

1434
01:42:54,380 --> 01:42:56,020
I'm 60, 30, 10 period.

1435
01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:57,220
All across our mag.

1436
01:42:58,040 --> 01:43:00,300
And if we're less than 10% it goes back to the lock.

1437
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:01,220
Correct.

1438
01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:02,200
All right.

1439
01:43:02,420 --> 01:43:03,040
We're done.

1440
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:05,600
Why you look like that, Miss Williams?

1441
01:43:06,820 --> 01:43:07,920
You can be watching the thing.

1442
01:43:08,220 --> 01:43:09,700
I'm just thinking this through.

1443
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:10,920
What it looks like.

1444
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:12,560
Think about it for a second.

1445
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:18,460
So that you know, it'll be fine. I just need to think about it. Okay. Okay. So any further

1446
01:43:18,460 --> 01:43:25,960
we'll get the courage correct in here. Get it spelled out. And I think I think that'll

1447
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:31,080
be fine. All right. Thank you so much. Anyway, she has one more question. I can see I just

1448
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:36,440
to clarify now does this does the sibling include down the multiples are we changing the

1449
01:43:36,440 --> 01:43:42,540
multiples language? Now they said to keep the multiples the same I lost that battle. Okay.

1450
01:43:42,540 --> 01:43:51,980
Okay. All right. Thank you very much, ladies. All right. At this time, we're going to take a short break. It is 345 p.m. We'll

1451
01:43:51,980 --> 01:43:53,380
ravine a little bit.

1452
01:43:56,860 --> 01:44:05,500
We are returning to our meeting at 352 p.m. Item number 4 273861 discussion of the

1453
01:44:05,500 --> 01:44:12,780
student delegate program and role of the student representative to the board. Welcome. Good afternoon,

1454
01:44:12,780 --> 01:44:18,500
Madam Chair, members of the Board, Superintendent Pender, students, faculty, staff and community members.

1455
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:23,120
At this time, on behalf of the Hernando County School District, I would like to present a

1456
01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:29,760
agenda item 27-3861 discussion of student delegate program and role of the student representative.

1457
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:35,760
I am joined today by my colleagues, Principal Edleros, lead high school principal,

1458
01:44:36,940 --> 01:44:40,760
and as Amy Chris, Hernando County School District student delegate advisor,

1459
01:44:40,760 --> 01:44:48,880
and we are available to answer any questions you have at this time Amy will guide you through the presentation.

1460
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:51,900
Hi, good afternoon.

1461
01:44:52,660 --> 01:44:58,040
Thank you for the opportunity to revisit the Student Representative Program and preparing for this workshop.

1462
01:44:58,340 --> 01:44:59,980
I've spent time reviewing the history of our

1463
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:11,940
Program, looking at practices and other four districts, speaking with our own student delegates and advisors, and reaching out to representatives, connected with state and national student board member, and student voice organizations.

1464
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:19,840
I've tried to look at this from several angles, governance, student leadership, preparation, family involvement, and student support.

1465
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:29,880
I'd like to briefly walk through the history of the program, how it currently operates, and some recommendations for strengthening it, moving forward, and then I'll get into the representation models.

1466
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:31,640
and the feedback that we've gathered.

1467
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:39,980
The purpose today is really to look at how we continue providing a meaningful student leadership

1468
01:45:39,980 --> 01:45:44,280
opportunity while recognizing that this is also a very public-facing role.

1469
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:48,880
I'd like to first establish where the program came from and how it has evolved before we

1470
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:50,460
get into the specific options.

1471
01:45:53,620 --> 01:46:01,080
The position dates back to 2011, the board workshop did in March of 2011, held a public hearing

1472
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:05,980
in May, and ultimately, formally adopted the non-voting student representative position

1473
01:46:05,980 --> 01:46:14,160
into policy 2.213, that policy was included in this presentation and attached to the agenda

1474
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:14,580
item.

1475
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:16,780
There's a snippet of it up there for you.

1476
01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:23,800
That policy language was not carried in to the Neola Conversion in 2017, but the program itself

1477
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:24,460
continued.

1478
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:29,480
As we know, today we're looking at how to strengthen and refine a program that has been a

1479
01:46:29,480 --> 01:46:34,080
of Fernando County Schools for about 15 years, stemming from this policy.

1480
01:46:35,740 --> 01:46:40,120
When I went back through previous board discussions, I found that many of the same themes

1481
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:46,340
have come up over time, and these specifically I pulled from those early workshops in 2011.

1482
01:46:47,340 --> 01:46:52,300
Board members have recognized the value of student engagement, leadership development, and direct

1483
01:46:52,300 --> 01:46:53,060
student feedback.

1484
01:46:53,560 --> 01:46:58,680
At the same time, there have also been concerns about public exposure, attendance, and making

1485
01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:03,380
appropriate safeguards are in place. So I think what we are discussing today is really

1486
01:47:03,380 --> 01:47:06,920
part of an ongoing conversation about how to do this well.

1487
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:11,580
So our current structure of

1488
01:47:11,580 --> 01:47:17,780
our student representative program, each high school identifies one senior candidate. Those students

1489
01:47:17,780 --> 01:47:23,560
receive information about the campaign process and the responsibilities of the role. I do this

1490
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:28,500
through Canvas, giving the materials and also having a virtual meeting with their advisors,

1491
01:47:28,500 --> 01:47:35,620
students and advisors, and the students then campaign across the district with rules and

1492
01:47:35,620 --> 01:47:41,380
expectations set in place for that campaign process. Our younger student delegates also

1493
01:47:41,380 --> 01:47:46,920
participate in the process by viewing those campaign materials. So we house the videos

1494
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:52,380
on campus, the different information about the candidates. Those students then engage with students

1495
01:47:52,380 --> 01:47:57,420
at their schools, whether it be through student governments, student council, so they can collect

1496
01:47:57,420 --> 01:48:00,620
feedback and start to form their decision.

1497
01:48:01,900 --> 01:48:06,680
One area I'm proposing we strengthen significantly this year is what happens before a senior

1498
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:11,580
candidate is ever authorized to campaign before that process starts and I will show you that

1499
01:48:11,580 --> 01:48:12,400
in a few slides.

1500
01:48:15,570 --> 01:48:20,750
One of the unique pieces of this program is the district wide mock election that we hold in

1501
01:48:20,750 --> 01:48:22,830
partnership with the supervisor of elections.

1502
01:48:23,490 --> 01:48:25,170
I want to emphasize the word mock.

1503
01:48:25,410 --> 01:48:28,890
It's an educational civic engagement experience for our students.

1504
01:48:28,890 --> 01:48:37,890
The Supervisor of Elections helps us provide an authentic election experience and formal voting procedures, but it is not a certified government election.

1505
01:48:39,010 --> 01:48:43,470
Students here from guest speakers, many of you spoke at our election last year.

1506
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:47,170
They view campaign materials, including the campaign videos.

1507
01:48:47,530 --> 01:48:52,750
They hear from the senior candidates and experience the process of what casting a ballot is like.

1508
01:48:52,750 --> 01:49:01,110
The mock election is the process our district uses to select the senior student who will serve in the district's non-voting student representative role.

1509
01:49:05,980 --> 01:49:11,540
Once selected through the district wide mock election process, the student representative begins serving in the role.

1510
01:49:12,100 --> 01:49:23,280
That student becomes the visible senior voice of a much larger student network, so they do give their board updates, they have that agenda item, they attend many different district events.

1511
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:31,100
They are responsible for organizing the student delegate meetings and they've also been given speaking opportunities.

1512
01:49:31,660 --> 01:49:39,560
This year we are able to have our student speaker at Hernando Grown for the middle school dates as well as the teacher of the year celebration.

1513
01:49:40,460 --> 01:49:42,460
So that's something that will continue to grow.

1514
01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:51,360
One thing I want to strengthen is the connection between those activities so that the standing agenda item at the board meetings reflects more than just the school events.

1515
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:54,580
It can increasingly show what students are being asked

1516
01:49:54,580 --> 01:49:57,360
and the student delegates that I'm referring to.

1517
01:49:57,580 --> 01:49:59,980
What we're hearing from them and what follow-up has a...

1518
01:50:03,200 --> 01:50:11,140
Candace is something that we started using last year. It's something that the district has available and in my role as an instructional

1519
01:50:11,140 --> 01:50:17,400
technology specialist. I work with campus every day, so it really has become something successful to help the program.

1520
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:25,440
It gives us a district-wide structure to connect the students and our entire student delegate cohort between meetings.

1521
01:50:25,440 --> 01:50:42,340
We've used it for communication, discussions, gathering, student input, photos and videos, and what I'm proposing this year is to expand Canvas considerably, not just for the delegates, but as it required onboarding course for our senior candidates before the mock election.

1522
01:50:42,860 --> 01:50:45,020
And I'll show you what that looks like in just a moment.

1523
01:50:48,350 --> 01:50:53,730
And this brings us to the piece of the program that has generated the most discussion over the last several months.

1524
01:50:53,730 --> 01:51:03,570
So, under the current model, our student representative is seated at the dias, providing their update during a standing agenda item, and they are not in a voting member.

1525
01:51:03,890 --> 01:51:08,890
They generally do not participate in board deliberation unless they're specifically asked.

1526
01:51:09,750 --> 01:51:17,770
And before we talk about whether that seating structure should change, I want to show you the changes I believe we should make regardless of where the student ultimately sits.

1527
01:51:19,980 --> 01:51:25,880
So our high school advisors met in May to talk through the program and possible models,

1528
01:51:26,220 --> 01:51:31,160
possible alternatives, but became clear to me afterward is that there are several improvements

1529
01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:36,260
we can make that have nothing to do with the chair specifically and probably the biggest gap

1530
01:51:36,260 --> 01:51:42,700
identified was a family involvement on the front end. We're asking a high school senior who is a

1531
01:51:42,700 --> 01:51:47,740
minor to accept a very visible leadership position and I feel that the student and their parent

1532
01:51:47,740 --> 01:51:52,420
a guardian should fully understand that role and make an informed decision together before

1533
01:51:52,420 --> 01:51:54,400
they even officially become a candidate.

1534
01:51:55,980 --> 01:52:01,480
And on top of that, knowing what support exists before they step into the role as the student

1535
01:52:01,480 --> 01:52:05,320
representative, because the support, it's there, we have it.

1536
01:52:05,980 --> 01:52:10,820
So the recommendations I'm about to show you apply under either seating model and these are

1537
01:52:10,820 --> 01:52:15,760
things that I organized, like I said, from eating with the high school advisors, from speaking

1538
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:21,000
with students and then from research from different national, student-borne member associations,

1539
01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:26,380
state associations, and the superintendents association.

1540
01:52:29,480 --> 01:52:35,040
All right, so the first change would actually begin with the application, that would include

1541
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:39,740
a student acknowledgement, a parent and guardian acknowledgement, an approval, a principal

1542
01:52:39,740 --> 01:52:44,440
acknowledgement and approval, advisors would give their information on there as well.

1543
01:52:44,440 --> 01:52:51,240
it would bring attention to the availability and time commitment that comes with the role and also

1544
01:52:51,240 --> 01:53:01,200
acknowledge the public facing nature of the role. So, see, after that they'll have the canvas course,

1545
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:09,140
the senior candidates would complete a much more intentional canvas onboarding course. So instead of

1546
01:53:09,140 --> 01:53:15,200
just giving them the election roles, letting them know a preview of the role this will really take

1547
01:53:15,200 --> 01:53:21,860
them through what the role can be and what they'll need to know and be able to do to serve

1548
01:53:21,860 --> 01:53:22,500
it well.

1549
01:53:23,700 --> 01:53:27,600
The Canvas onboarding, I have a course that I've been building.

1550
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:28,980
It's eight modules.

1551
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:35,520
I can give you more information on if you would like, but it would bring students through

1552
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:40,520
understanding the role, understanding student perspective, meaningful representation, knowing

1553
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:46,440
the district, so who's who who does what, who would you go to if you're seeking clarification

1554
01:53:46,440 --> 01:53:53,680
on certain topics, seeking for support, school board 101, how the meetings operate, different

1555
01:53:53,680 --> 01:53:59,960
sunshine laws, aspects pertaining to the school board, meetings themselves, public service

1556
01:53:59,960 --> 01:54:06,820
and civil discourse, student voice and action, so how to gather meaningful input, how to lead,

1557
01:54:06,820 --> 01:54:10,500
you know, those student voice workshops that we have where all the delegates come together

1558
01:54:10,500 --> 01:54:18,560
and how to do follow-up with that and have that meaningful change, public presence and digital

1559
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:24,160
citizenship, so that would be how public-facing leadership roles can affect and tie into

1560
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:30,160
social media, personal communication in the way that others might interpret what you say or share,

1561
01:54:30,740 --> 01:54:36,900
and then at that point they'd be able to build their campaign video, which we already have students do.

1562
01:54:37,480 --> 01:54:42,180
Right now, the campaign video, it really serves as, you know, introducing themselves and what

1563
01:54:42,180 --> 01:54:47,420
they're passionate about, but after doing this Canvas course, they'll build that video

1564
01:54:47,420 --> 01:54:52,140
to be something where they can explain how they will use the role, how they will gather and put

1565
01:54:52,140 --> 01:54:57,760
from students and how they will represent them at board meetings or just different district events.

1566
01:55:03,590 --> 01:55:12,510
All right, the orientation that may have been out of order with the slide. Let me see. All right. So, let me just skip ahead to the orientation.

1567
01:55:14,850 --> 01:55:22,450
Okay. Another aspect that we are recommending as the high school advisors and myself would be a pre-service orientation.

1568
01:55:23,290 --> 01:55:30,570
So, the students have already completed the application. They've gone through the canvas course all five of our high school candidates.

1569
01:55:30,570 --> 01:55:36,650
and then this pre-service orientation would come in after the student is selected at that

1570
01:55:36,650 --> 01:55:41,950
mock election. So, once the student is selected, we would require a pre-service orientation

1571
01:55:41,950 --> 01:55:47,490
between the student and then at least one parent or guardian before they assume the role

1572
01:55:47,490 --> 01:55:54,310
and start attending those board meetings in their role. So, those meetings would include meeting

1573
01:55:54,310 --> 01:55:59,950
with our superintendent, our board chair, it could include meeting with Mr.

1574
01:56:00,130 --> 01:56:04,990
Ellerman, our director of communications, student services, and myself as a district

1575
01:56:04,990 --> 01:56:11,230
advisor, just so they're aware of the support that exists having a walkthrough of the

1576
01:56:11,230 --> 01:56:15,870
school district and getting them acquainted with the role, answering questions that they

1577
01:56:15,870 --> 01:56:18,530
may have talking about potential scenarios.

1578
01:56:18,830 --> 01:56:23,910
It would be a great way to establish that open communication and build that support early

1579
01:56:23,910 --> 01:56:24,090
on.

1580
01:56:27,470 --> 01:56:33,610
Okay. Our third recommendation would be the ongoing adult support and escalation.

1581
01:56:33,870 --> 01:56:38,850
A lot of these things have already been in place, but this really formalizes it. So,

1582
01:56:39,270 --> 01:56:43,550
it gives us structure throughout the year. The regular check-ins pre-meaning preparation.

1583
01:56:44,650 --> 01:56:49,150
I already have met with our student or been in contact with them before every board meeting,

1584
01:56:49,490 --> 01:56:54,010
looking at their presentation, giving suggestions and answering questions. So that is something

1585
01:56:54,010 --> 01:56:56,870
that would continue are those check-ins before the board meetings.

1586
01:56:57,630 --> 01:57:02,650
If there are concerns, we would have that clear escalation process where it starts at the

1587
01:57:02,650 --> 01:57:05,390
school level, reporting it to their high school advisor.

1588
01:57:06,110 --> 01:57:12,650
They would involve then whoever is necessary, whether it's admin, a counselor, and then

1589
01:57:12,650 --> 01:57:15,750
from there, it would escalate onto the district advisor.

1590
01:57:16,710 --> 01:57:21,490
I would get in touch with anybody I need to hear, and then just making sure that board members

1591
01:57:21,490 --> 01:57:27,150
have things brought to their attention whether it's a brief that needs to happen that way

1592
01:57:27,150 --> 01:57:33,430
they're aware if there is something going on that is relevant to that board member and their

1593
01:57:33,430 --> 01:57:35,610
ability to carry out their role.

1594
01:57:39,280 --> 01:57:41,960
Okay, so our recommendation number four would include an

1595
01:57:41,960 --> 01:57:49,640
expanded meaningful student input system. This is something where we see an opportunity to make

1596
01:57:49,640 --> 01:57:54,180
the role more meaningful. The idea is to create opportunities for our high school representatives

1597
01:57:54,180 --> 01:57:58,900
to have real conversations with district leadership about issues that affect students and

1598
01:57:58,900 --> 01:58:00,800
this would be outside of the board meetings.

1599
01:58:01,780 --> 01:58:05,620
That's how it can come from the school board to the student representative.

1600
01:58:05,960 --> 01:58:11,540
It could come from our students' elegance or perhaps our student in observing a board

1601
01:58:11,540 --> 01:58:15,580
meeting in a agenda item, something that was said in public comment where they can then

1602
01:58:15,580 --> 01:58:18,380
take this back to their other high school representatives.

1603
01:58:18,940 --> 01:58:23,880
They can bring it to their theater schools to get student input and carry on with them.

1604
01:58:23,880 --> 01:58:31,480
those important conversations, the representative can use the board update to not just report

1605
01:58:31,480 --> 01:58:35,900
what's happening in our schools, right now they share all of the positive things that are

1606
01:58:35,900 --> 01:58:41,920
going on, different events, but they could also use that time to share what's going on with,

1607
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:45,700
whether they're meeting with the other high school students to workshop a certain topic,

1608
01:58:46,700 --> 01:58:52,300
or just what they're talking about, what students are talking about. So it's just that chance to

1609
01:58:52,300 --> 01:59:02,180
coordinate what students want to bring with the district personnel that can help answer those questions or an act change.

1610
01:59:05,710 --> 01:59:11,490
All right, so with all of those supports in mind, now I want to come back to the question that prompted much of today's workshop.

1611
01:59:12,390 --> 01:59:24,370
There are two primary models before us. This is something that I developed through surveys with our high school advisors, with our caterate advisors, with students to narrow it down to really

1612
01:59:24,370 --> 01:59:29,690
two options. Option one would be to maintain the seat at the

1613
01:59:29,690 --> 01:59:34,910
dieous with the supports that I just described. Option two retains the

1614
01:59:34,910 --> 01:59:39,010
selected student representative and their standing board update, but it moves

1615
01:59:39,010 --> 01:59:42,970
their regular seating to the staff area and it has them come forward to their

1616
01:59:42,970 --> 01:59:47,110
presentation to do their presentation such as from the podium. The added

1617
01:59:47,110 --> 01:59:53,470
preparation, family involvement, and support would apply under either model. So

1618
01:59:53,470 --> 01:59:59,970
with option one. I know I've already gone through the different slides of the supports. It would maintain the existing see.

1619
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:10,540
Instructure, but what surrounds that seat would look significantly different with the onboarding, the application, and the current visible structure would remain.

1620
02:00:11,520 --> 02:00:18,940
So I have the benefits and concerns, and again, these were taken from surveys with the students and from the high school advisors.

1621
02:00:19,500 --> 02:00:29,640
The benefits are pretty straightforward. This option preserves the visibility of student voice, maintains the tradition and reinforces that this is a meaningful, distant leadership position.

1622
02:00:29,640 --> 02:00:32,180
And the concerns are also real.

1623
02:00:32,380 --> 02:00:34,300
The student is continuously visible.

1624
02:00:34,780 --> 02:00:37,100
They do spend considerably more time on camera,

1625
02:00:37,700 --> 02:00:40,840
and they would, then they would,

1626
02:00:40,900 --> 02:00:42,300
if they were just giving the presentation,

1627
02:00:42,980 --> 02:00:45,500
and there can be pressure associated with sitting

1628
02:00:45,500 --> 02:00:48,860
alongside elected officials, even though they're not voting,

1629
02:00:49,200 --> 02:00:50,620
because that kind of misunderstanding,

1630
02:00:51,660 --> 02:00:53,100
and those are legitimate concerns.

1631
02:00:54,220 --> 02:00:58,140
Now with options too, this does not eliminate the student representative.

1632
02:00:58,140 --> 02:01:04,860
we still have a student representative, but that student would have a reserved place at our board meetings

1633
02:01:04,860 --> 02:01:11,780
alongside our district staff and they would come forward to give that update. Again, all of the on-boarding,

1634
02:01:12,160 --> 02:01:19,820
the family orientation and that support would remain. The benefits and concerns that I collected

1635
02:01:19,820 --> 02:01:25,600
regarding option two, the obvious benefit is that it may reduce some of the continuous pressure

1636
02:01:25,600 --> 02:01:31,540
and that live stream exposure while preserving their presented as public speaking role and the trade

1637
02:01:31,540 --> 02:01:38,540
off is that it does change that longstanding tradition that we have. It could have the perceived

1638
02:01:38,540 --> 02:01:44,480
value of reduce the value of student voice and it may appear reactive to criticism.

1639
02:01:48,700 --> 02:01:49,400
As part of my

1640
02:01:49,400 --> 02:01:55,760
surveys I did ask our high school advisors and at the time this is our junior and senior delegates

1641
02:01:55,760 --> 02:02:07,300
Just if they had to choose which option best balances, student voice, the leadership opportunity and the response to the current concerns, which option would they choose.

1642
02:02:07,800 --> 02:02:10,380
So I have those results here on the slide.

1643
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:15,860
Out of our high school advisors, three voted to, they would maintain.

1644
02:02:15,860 --> 02:02:20,860
while two would move to the rear table model, and out of our junior and senior delegates,

1645
02:02:21,420 --> 02:02:26,620
five voted to maintain while two voted to do the rear table model.

1646
02:02:30,580 --> 02:02:35,940
All right, so there are a couple of things I think we can say regardless of which direction that we take.

1647
02:02:36,420 --> 02:02:42,020
There has been broad support for continuing the tradition of selecting one senior student representative.

1648
02:02:42,140 --> 02:02:45,420
That's something that I did ask our students in our high schoolers.

1649
02:02:45,420 --> 02:02:51,300
just because I mean, that is an option of having multiple or not having one at all, but out of

1650
02:02:51,300 --> 02:02:58,380
everybody that I surveyed, they still want the one student that represents our district students.

1651
02:02:59,560 --> 02:03:05,460
Either model still does carry public visibility with it as well, which is something that we do have to

1652
02:03:05,460 --> 02:03:10,780
acknowledge. So the unresolved question is really how we want that visibility structured during the

1653
02:03:10,780 --> 02:03:11,340
meetings.

1654
02:03:13,940 --> 02:03:18,060
Now, over the past several months, I've done a lot of research on other

1655
02:03:18,060 --> 02:03:22,560
four-to-school districts. There is the model that aligns with R's with students

1656
02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:28,700
seated on the dius. So there are multiple districts that do this, but there isn't a

1657
02:03:28,700 --> 02:03:33,920
standard approach. It does not look the same from district to district. So with some of

1658
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:38,760
these schools, and I put on here how they identified the student. So what they call

1659
02:03:38,760 --> 02:03:41,620
The student advisor is a common name.

1660
02:03:42,520 --> 02:03:46,080
Some school districts do call them a student school board member.

1661
02:03:46,940 --> 02:03:50,920
But these are all districts that do put students on the ZIS.

1662
02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:56,100
There is one district on here that formally had a student representative.

1663
02:03:56,100 --> 02:04:01,020
They no longer do, but I could not find the reason why.

1664
02:04:01,200 --> 02:04:02,140
They took away the position.

1665
02:04:02,380 --> 02:04:07,160
I even emailed board members, but I haven't received a response because it did happen in 2009.

1666
02:04:07,160 --> 02:04:12,020
So that was the only instance I could find of a district to take me away the position.

1667
02:04:14,020 --> 02:04:19,500
The second model, these are all other districts that have some form of student representation,

1668
02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:23,900
but it's not with that formal role, the leadership opportunity.

1669
02:04:24,860 --> 02:04:29,480
They may have advisory councils, Pasco County Schools is one example of that,

1670
02:04:29,560 --> 02:04:36,420
where they have a superintendent's advisory council that meets and then they may come to some board meetings to give updates.

1671
02:04:37,720 --> 02:04:41,200
There is a precedent for both philosophies here.

1672
02:04:41,260 --> 02:04:44,440
It's just a matter of thinking what we want,

1673
02:04:44,480 --> 02:04:45,600
and what works best for our district.

1674
02:04:48,970 --> 02:04:51,270
Right, so the conclusion I reached from the research

1675
02:04:51,270 --> 02:04:54,190
is that there simply isn't one statewide model.

1676
02:04:54,610 --> 02:04:57,190
Districts make different choices based on their own traditions,

1677
02:04:57,890 --> 02:04:59,930
priorities, and philosophy about student president.

1678
02:05:00,780 --> 02:05:13,460
Participation. So I think our question is, how does Hernando preserve meaningful student leadership? Make sure students are prepared and supported, maintain authentic student voice and balance that with the realities of a public facing role.

1679
02:05:15,730 --> 02:05:31,770
And finally, when I began working on this, the most visible question was where the student should sit. And the more I looked at the program, the more I felt that the greater opportunity was everything surrounding that student, the support and preparation we give the student. I want students to understand the responsibility before they

1680
02:05:31,770 --> 02:05:36,570
come candidates, parents to feel informed, and involves before their child accepts the opportunity,

1681
02:05:37,310 --> 02:05:41,170
and the student ultimately selected to know that they have a clear support system throughout

1682
02:05:41,170 --> 02:05:45,870
the year. Whatever seating model we ultimately choose, I think we can preserve meaningful student

1683
02:05:45,870 --> 02:05:50,170
voice while doing a much better job preparing and supporting the student who volunteers to

1684
02:05:50,170 --> 02:05:55,750
represent their peers. Thank you. Thank you. I know that was a lot. Yes. Thank you for all your research

1685
02:05:55,750 --> 02:06:00,630
and putting this presentation together. I'm going to go around and let everybody speak how they

1686
02:06:00,630 --> 02:06:04,470
on this and then if we have questions as well we're going to try to really use our light so we

1687
02:06:04,470 --> 02:06:11,550
don't so we're able to really get our thoughts put out. Mr. Johnson. I believe Gatson is the county

1688
02:06:11,550 --> 02:06:18,470
that had 12,000 students and it was reduced to 4,000 and they've closed school so that may be

1689
02:06:18,470 --> 02:06:23,410
why they didn't respond to you not getting an answer. That's basically what I was going to say.

1690
02:06:23,690 --> 02:06:28,430
Yeah and I couldn't find anything. I looked in there agenda like meeting minutes. There was never a

1691
02:06:28,430 --> 02:06:40,710
discussion about it. That was public record. It just disappeared. Thank you. All right, so we'll go around who wants to go first with their thoughts on this or have questions. Let's start with this default.

1692
02:06:44,230 --> 02:06:48,090
Having been a part of this program since 2011,

1693
02:06:51,290 --> 02:06:56,950
I value the report that you have put together is very concise.

1694
02:06:59,750 --> 02:07:04,550
changes the structure in the format quite a bit, which is good.

1695
02:07:05,830 --> 02:07:10,770
I still want, bottom line, I still want the student up here on the dias.

1696
02:07:11,130 --> 02:07:17,550
I think that is a message that goes out to our community, our students, especially.

1697
02:07:20,970 --> 02:07:21,770
And

1698
02:07:24,880 --> 02:07:34,100
let's, let's everybody know that this board is very supportive of the student voice.

1699
02:07:35,780 --> 02:07:38,520
And yes, we had an issue.

1700
02:07:38,900 --> 02:07:42,040
I think what you've put together resolves.

1701
02:07:42,240 --> 02:07:45,940
Most of that, although we never can,

1702
02:07:46,700 --> 02:08:04,320
Apparently in society today treat each other with kindness and respect, I don't think that should be the driving force that makes us remove a student from being up here with us.

1703
02:08:06,690 --> 02:08:07,060
Thank you.

1704
02:08:08,080 --> 02:08:08,640
Sponsor,

1705
02:08:11,430 --> 02:08:13,790
I also appreciate everything you did.

1706
02:08:15,310 --> 02:08:16,390
Be in a mom.

1707
02:08:17,590 --> 02:08:22,030
It scared me last year, and I will never put a child in jeopardy.

1708
02:08:22,630 --> 02:08:26,390
So as a school member, it's my job to protect every child in any child.

1709
02:08:26,670 --> 02:08:29,830
No matter where they're at in our district, right?

1710
02:08:30,790 --> 02:08:36,110
With that being said, do I want to remove our student from sitting next to me?

1711
02:08:36,110 --> 02:08:43,330
no, but I also want, and you did put it in the acknowledgement, I want parents to be aware of what

1712
02:08:43,330 --> 02:08:50,390
we can and we cannot do to protect their child, right? And, and that's the biggest thing for me,

1713
02:08:50,490 --> 02:08:56,370
is that before they even come up here and say, I'm going to do this. Everybody knows what could happen.

1714
02:08:56,530 --> 02:09:02,390
I'm going to doubt, I get attacked. So what I do in decisions I make by sitting here,

1715
02:09:02,930 --> 02:09:06,910
But I'm going to thought I can accept that and I would never put that on a child ever.

1716
02:09:07,650 --> 02:09:09,370
So with that being said,

1717
02:09:09,870 --> 02:09:12,290
Deep and I know what the rest of the board is, I am fine.

1718
02:09:13,030 --> 02:09:15,130
With them sitting here, I am fine with them giving.

1719
02:09:16,070 --> 02:09:22,430
I also don't want to put a child in jeopardy that she sits her the whole meeting and gets criticized because she looked the wrong way.

1720
02:09:23,050 --> 02:09:24,030
Or he.

1721
02:09:25,370 --> 02:09:27,310
Boy or girl, whichever sitting next to me,

1722
02:09:27,630 --> 02:09:31,530
but a student, I don't want them to be attacked or criticized

1723
02:09:31,530 --> 02:09:37,350
or anything like that and have it put back on them without the support of their family.

1724
02:09:37,910 --> 02:09:40,570
Because as a school district, we'll always support our children.

1725
02:09:42,310 --> 02:09:45,430
But sometimes it's a family decision on what they do.

1726
02:09:46,530 --> 02:09:53,430
So, I do have an acknowledgement that I kind of wrote up for our board attorney to look at

1727
02:09:53,430 --> 02:09:58,550
to see to make sure that everything is covered in some of the incidents that we went through

1728
02:09:58,550 --> 02:09:59,290
last year.

1729
02:10:01,330 --> 02:10:31,310
I will go either way. I don't want to remove the program from our schools. I wanted to stay. I did have an idea that when we do our voting, our voting, I would like to see more middle school kids and not so much delegates or into the thing, but middle school children coming in and voting for our senior reps that aren't just random classes, three kids from each middle school come in and vote and make them more.

1730
02:10:31,330 --> 02:10:35,210
of our deciding factor, then kindergarten kids.

1731
02:10:35,890 --> 02:10:39,370
I don't want it to be a popularity contest for kindergarten kids and I've watched

1732
02:10:39,370 --> 02:10:41,090
the two years in a row in the kindergarten kids.

1733
02:10:41,330 --> 02:10:42,530
Well, I like her hair.

1734
02:10:42,610 --> 02:10:43,190
I like her dress.

1735
02:10:43,310 --> 02:10:44,090
I like this.

1736
02:10:44,090 --> 02:10:45,410
They didn't hear anything they said.

1737
02:10:46,090 --> 02:10:51,210
And I think that, you know, part of me was like, I kind of wanted the adults to decide

1738
02:10:51,210 --> 02:10:56,350
because the adults are actually listening to what these children are saying and how

1739
02:10:56,350 --> 02:10:58,590
they want to better represent the schools.

1740
02:10:58,590 --> 02:11:01,490
but then it defeats the purpose to have it as student.

1741
02:11:02,550 --> 02:11:08,390
So I'd like to see at least three middle school kids come from each one of our middle schools

1742
02:11:08,390 --> 02:11:09,590
in vote.

1743
02:11:10,010 --> 02:11:11,350
So that would be my only suggestion.

1744
02:11:12,110 --> 02:11:12,270
Okay.

1745
02:11:12,350 --> 02:11:13,130
I want to respond to that.

1746
02:11:13,230 --> 02:11:13,610
Yes.

1747
02:11:13,750 --> 02:11:17,790
So our current structure right now for the voting, we have our elementary schools.

1748
02:11:18,090 --> 02:11:22,850
They used to receive one vote, the middle schools receive one vote, the KTHR8 schools

1749
02:11:22,850 --> 02:11:23,830
receive two votes.

1750
02:11:24,010 --> 02:11:28,570
So the elementary student is voting, the middle school student is voting from the KTHR8s.

1751
02:11:28,570 --> 02:11:30,370
I'd like to see three from.

1752
02:11:30,610 --> 02:11:32,550
Put your light on please, Ms. Ponceck.

1753
02:11:32,690 --> 02:11:34,910
I'd like to see three from the middle school.

1754
02:11:35,210 --> 02:11:36,010
Ms. Diffault?

1755
02:11:37,130 --> 02:11:41,490
That brought up a point that I remember from a while back,

1756
02:11:43,710 --> 02:11:47,630
our district calendar at one point

1757
02:11:47,630 --> 02:11:51,470
was always swayed by elementary teachers

1758
02:11:51,470 --> 02:11:53,890
because they outnumber secondary.

1759
02:11:54,890 --> 02:11:58,290
And so there was a solution put in place for that.

1760
02:11:58,290 --> 02:12:05,570
So I understand what you're saying and I think that is something that should be considered

1761
02:12:05,570 --> 02:12:13,330
because you have, obviously, a larger number of elementary schools than you do, middle

1762
02:12:13,330 --> 02:12:14,990
and even maybe high school.

1763
02:12:16,070 --> 02:12:21,270
So if something could be worked out on valuation of votes, that might help.

1764
02:12:21,930 --> 02:12:21,950
Okay.

1765
02:12:22,370 --> 02:12:27,670
So I'm thinking our middle schools, we do ask our middle school advisors to have a seventh

1766
02:12:27,670 --> 02:12:32,090
grade in an eighth grade representative is something where we could expand it to have a sixth

1767
02:12:32,090 --> 02:12:36,090
seventh in eighth grader and instead of just the eighth grader casting their vote perhaps

1768
02:12:36,090 --> 02:12:45,110
all three students from the middle schools cast a vote. I have other voting just proposals

1769
02:12:45,110 --> 02:12:49,790
for the voting process. I didn't attach it. It's not something I didn't know if we were going to

1770
02:12:49,790 --> 02:12:54,470
discuss it or not, but it's something I can definitely share with you all. I know for the high school

1771
02:12:54,470 --> 02:13:02,510
well, our current structure, the senior cast the vote. I'm not sure if we should change that

1772
02:13:02,510 --> 02:13:07,630
to where the junior delegates are the ones casting the vote and not the senior. Or if you

1773
02:13:07,630 --> 02:13:11,090
wanted to expand the number of votes, our high schools get as well if we're going to look at

1774
02:13:11,090 --> 02:13:16,590
middle school. I would like to say that expanded more. So we're trying to teach our kids, right?

1775
02:13:17,010 --> 02:13:22,770
That this is how election is done, right? And I don't just say when we when we go to run,

1776
02:13:22,770 --> 02:13:26,430
We don't say only half only our district four can vote for us.

1777
02:13:26,830 --> 02:13:31,970
Our whole school should really be voting for who's representing.

1778
02:13:32,210 --> 02:13:34,090
But I have a problem with that completely.

1779
02:13:34,710 --> 02:13:36,170
This is basic is correct.

1780
02:13:36,930 --> 02:13:38,850
I have a problem with that with this.

1781
02:13:39,010 --> 02:13:41,010
And I also have a problem with that with our high schools.

1782
02:13:41,210 --> 02:13:45,290
Because when our high schools turn out that 60 kids vote out of the whole high school,

1783
02:13:45,770 --> 02:13:48,270
or out of a grade level, there's a problem.

1784
02:13:48,950 --> 02:13:52,550
So right now, our students and high school are not efficient.

1785
02:13:52,550 --> 02:13:59,850
They're not understanding how important it is to vote, but that's on us because really they should be voting in their history class

1786
02:13:59,850 --> 02:14:07,390
They're civics class. It should be voting to where it shouldn't be it shouldn't be open say at a high school at lunchtime

1787
02:14:08,090 --> 02:14:14,950
At lunchtime they already don't understand a lot of parents don't even speak this to them. So they have no idea. So then when they're voting for

1788
02:14:19,490 --> 02:14:20,010
a

1789
02:14:20,010 --> 02:14:25,910
sophomore year and these kids are expected at lunch to take time out from being able to talk

1790
02:14:25,910 --> 02:14:31,250
and mingle with their friends and eat and go over and do the responsible adult thing because

1791
02:14:31,250 --> 02:14:36,790
they're not adults to go and vote they don't because it's not significant to them. So I think

1792
02:14:36,790 --> 02:14:43,550
that falls on us. I think it falls on us to help teach that important part of that your school

1793
02:14:43,550 --> 02:14:49,330
that who you pick for a president for a vice president dictates how that year runs and how

1794
02:14:49,330 --> 02:14:54,110
bus that's going to be and I think that we're missing the mark. We're missing the mark at many high

1795
02:14:54,110 --> 02:14:59,590
schools. I'd say, you know, on the fact that maybe some of them are, I've heard that some do it

1796
02:14:59,590 --> 02:14:59,970
better than up.

1797
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:07,040
Let's put it that way. But I think that when I'm getting the results of 60 students in all of the whole

1798
02:15:07,040 --> 02:15:13,360
junior class or senior class, whatever it is for the President for the junior, not for this, but for

1799
02:15:13,360 --> 02:15:19,220
other things. I'm just talking about that. That is weak. That means that those kids that worked hard to run,

1800
02:15:19,400 --> 02:15:24,100
like Mrs. Bonsick said, it's a limited amount. They shouldn't have even ran really. There's no point

1801
02:15:24,100 --> 02:15:29,100
making all those signs going there, putting them up, posting them, working hard, doing what they did,

1802
02:15:29,100 --> 02:15:30,440
when there's not even a turnout.

1803
02:15:30,960 --> 02:15:31,920
So I think that's on us.

1804
02:15:31,920 --> 02:15:32,900
I think we could do better.

1805
02:15:33,120 --> 02:15:35,060
I don't think that putting it in the lunch room

1806
02:15:35,060 --> 02:15:37,500
at or at times where these kids are passing through,

1807
02:15:37,620 --> 02:15:39,400
that's going to be the time to capture them.

1808
02:15:39,660 --> 02:15:41,020
I think when they're sitting in a classroom

1809
02:15:41,840 --> 02:15:44,640
and they get the option to be able to vote at that time,

1810
02:15:44,740 --> 02:15:46,720
not that we make them, never do we make them.

1811
02:15:47,000 --> 02:15:49,100
But if they so choose to participate,

1812
02:15:49,660 --> 02:15:51,680
they're going to participate so much more

1813
02:15:51,680 --> 02:15:53,160
because they're sitting in their class

1814
02:15:53,160 --> 02:15:55,940
and they're not out having to do extracurricular activities

1815
02:15:55,940 --> 02:15:56,580
for themselves.

1816
02:15:56,620 --> 02:15:58,380
So they're not being selfish if you will.

1817
02:15:58,380 --> 02:16:02,280
at that moment, they're in a classroom so they're going to do what they need to do.

1818
02:16:03,000 --> 02:16:07,100
And then back to this, I was there last year and I was in this same room right here when it happened.

1819
02:16:07,600 --> 02:16:13,640
And I didn't think that that process was accommodating. I thought in even teacher delegates that

1820
02:16:13,640 --> 02:16:18,420
were in the room with me said that they didn't like it as well. So I do think that you're on

1821
02:16:18,420 --> 02:16:22,480
this something when you say we can restructure it, we can revamp it. I think we need to look at

1822
02:16:22,480 --> 02:16:27,060
the whole thing and not just making a couple changes. Because any of you can come here and

1823
02:16:27,060 --> 02:16:31,980
how that's run and you've got the little, the small children picking the person that had

1824
02:16:31,980 --> 02:16:36,540
the pink bow. You've got the small children picking the girl in the pink dress. I just don't

1825
02:16:36,540 --> 02:16:41,420
think that for these upperclassmen that have worked this hard to get here and they've taken this job

1826
02:16:41,420 --> 02:16:46,640
serious that we should put the fate of their decision in these children's hands that are 5 and 7

1827
02:16:46,640 --> 02:16:51,600
and 9. I just don't agree with that. I think that there's a time and a place for them to start learning.

1828
02:16:52,320 --> 02:16:56,200
But if you think about it, you guys all say, well, let's not take this from them. They're little,

1829
02:16:56,200 --> 02:17:01,520
they need to learn the process. Well, if that's the case, and you want them at 57 and 9 to have

1830
02:17:01,520 --> 02:17:06,400
some importance value of this, why are we not reaching that at the high school level? So if you're

1831
02:17:06,400 --> 02:17:10,220
going to argue the point with me that they need to be a voice in this, which I don't think they do

1832
02:17:10,220 --> 02:17:14,860
at that age, I'll argue the point that the age that you should be concerned about is the high school

1833
02:17:14,860 --> 02:17:19,860
age. The high school age where these kids are not having a turnout, and nobody is voting. So if you

1834
02:17:19,860 --> 02:17:24,220
really want to get into something, that's when we should be looking at it, not here, whenever these

1835
02:17:24,220 --> 02:17:30,160
little children are looking at these upper class men trying to have to pick to put them up here

1836
02:17:30,160 --> 02:17:35,120
to me. That's not a fair shake and I've seen that time and time again. So one school

1837
02:17:35,120 --> 02:17:40,900
may get the same person every single time but it's not fairly selected. It's on a bunch

1838
02:17:40,900 --> 02:17:45,320
of small children that like how that person looks. Let's say that school happens to have a

1839
02:17:45,320 --> 02:17:49,360
girl each time and she's all dressed up and has everything in the pose and all the stuff in her

1840
02:17:49,360 --> 02:17:53,940
hair and those little kids. I watched them. I watched what they said. I was observant. I heard

1841
02:17:53,940 --> 02:17:59,360
of them. They pick on the clothes. They pick determining on what they the outfit. You know what

1842
02:17:59,360 --> 02:18:03,580
they'd like the girls long hair, curly hair, what have you. So I think that all of that

1843
02:18:03,580 --> 02:18:08,720
needs revamped. Okay. I do hear it you're saying. I know for when it comes to the high schools,

1844
02:18:09,160 --> 02:18:13,780
the way that it works right now is every school determines how they run their student government,

1845
02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:18,800
how they would run elections. That's not guidance that we give to the high schools. No, I understand

1846
02:18:18,800 --> 02:18:21,560
And I'm not here to take that away.

1847
02:18:21,940 --> 02:18:23,640
I think the principal should be able to,

1848
02:18:23,640 --> 02:18:25,160
I'm not here to micromanage.

1849
02:18:25,320 --> 02:18:27,880
I think the principal should be able to keep control

1850
02:18:27,880 --> 02:18:30,540
and have the ultimate decision and have that power.

1851
02:18:30,740 --> 02:18:33,100
By no means am I one to sit up here on this board

1852
02:18:33,100 --> 02:18:35,680
and take that power in that control out of their hands.

1853
02:18:36,020 --> 02:18:37,000
I believe in our principles.

1854
02:18:37,220 --> 02:18:38,620
I just don't think that our principles

1855
02:18:38,620 --> 02:18:40,300
are our system principles are so busy

1856
02:18:40,300 --> 02:18:42,300
wearing so many hats, doing so many things.

1857
02:18:42,440 --> 02:18:45,660
It's a lot for them to undertake on every facet.

1858
02:18:45,780 --> 02:18:47,500
But I just am here to say

1859
02:18:47,500 --> 02:18:51,740
that these are all things that we have to bring to people's attention and all of us have to work together

1860
02:18:52,300 --> 02:18:54,420
because no one's doing it on purpose.

1861
02:18:54,800 --> 02:19:01,140
But when we get the results and the turnout are less and there's nothing there, there's no significant amount of people even voting.

1862
02:19:01,720 --> 02:19:07,220
Why even have the, why even hold that, the, you know, why even hold the election.

1863
02:19:07,580 --> 02:19:08,960
Why should somebody even work at that?

1864
02:19:09,480 --> 02:19:11,300
So Mr. Loroz, I think you understand what I'm saying.

1865
02:19:11,680 --> 02:19:16,680
So I think that it's something you as a lead principle can probably do with everybody

1866
02:19:16,680 --> 02:19:20,620
because these kids work hard, you know, the couple that want to try it.

1867
02:19:20,700 --> 02:19:24,480
And then when all of a sudden they realized they didn't get it, and they look and see how many people voted.

1868
02:19:24,840 --> 02:19:29,680
47 out of the whole class. Well, of course, they didn't hardly see any chance. 47.

1869
02:19:30,240 --> 02:19:33,240
So if 38 of them were that person's friend, the other person,

1870
02:19:33,480 --> 02:19:35,780
you know, they went around at 30 people and said vote for me.

1871
02:19:35,860 --> 02:19:40,080
The other person didn't even get a fair shake. So you get what I'm saying. It's just very hard.

1872
02:19:40,400 --> 02:19:44,660
So I think that we could do better all the way around, which all of us learn and all of us can

1873
02:19:44,660 --> 02:19:51,300
continue to grow. And then just to add, I can let our high school advisors know and you can share

1874
02:19:51,300 --> 02:19:56,280
with the other principles that our supervisor of elections, she is willing to go out to the different

1875
02:19:56,280 --> 02:19:59,960
high schools and help them run those elections. I know Hernando Hides.

1876
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:05,240
At the end of this last school year, and turn it into an assembly of full events where the students

1877
02:20:05,240 --> 02:20:10,680
are involved, have a system in place so that it's something that we can share and at least offer guidance,

1878
02:20:10,860 --> 02:20:15,480
offer recommendations on you. Mr. Johnson had to comment really quick. Good, Mr. Johnson.

1879
02:20:15,780 --> 02:20:23,700
Thank you. I agree in part, mostly in part, with Mrs. Rodriguez, but why not? Ms. LaRose,

1880
02:20:23,700 --> 02:20:31,300
have an election day at your school where at one period you take 10 minutes and say, okay, vote for your representative.

1881
02:20:32,960 --> 02:20:35,940
You'd get how many classes full of full of votes?

1882
02:20:36,360 --> 02:20:38,620
And if they all didn't vote, that would be fine.

1883
02:20:39,080 --> 02:20:41,220
But you could do it very simply.

1884
02:20:41,640 --> 02:20:46,700
And we could do that throughout maybe throughout the district on the same day, make it election day.

1885
02:20:48,420 --> 02:20:56,380
And we guys, more over to the whole situation, I would don't think I'd like to see the representative stay on the dies.

1886
02:20:57,140 --> 02:21:00,200
Only from the exposure we had last year, which was horrible.

1887
02:21:00,880 --> 02:21:07,840
Nothing that she did to do anything wrong, but some people in the community are a little off-balance.

1888
02:21:08,540 --> 02:21:10,520
That's not going to go away very soon.

1889
02:21:10,520 --> 02:21:16,820
So, my concern for the safety of the student would be not to have her on, have here she

1890
02:21:16,820 --> 02:21:18,660
on the diast for a little while.

1891
02:21:19,160 --> 02:21:24,280
It's a year or two years until things calm down and that person hopefully grows up.

1892
02:21:25,540 --> 02:21:31,580
I'm also in favor of reducing the number of speaking engagements the representative has.

1893
02:21:32,760 --> 02:21:41,840
I think that the representative also should have less input on issues facing the school board

1894
02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:43,800
so they're not in the middle of a controversy.

1895
02:21:44,460 --> 02:21:49,040
What I'm looking at is how to protect the student, not to limit a voice.

1896
02:21:50,020 --> 02:21:51,280
And I think that might help.

1897
02:21:51,780 --> 02:21:53,960
You said expand meaningful conversations.

1898
02:21:53,960 --> 02:22:05,680
I 100% disagree with a student representative having access to any sensitive or confidential conversations or issues facing the school board.

1899
02:22:06,060 --> 02:22:07,840
Absolutely, 100%.

1900
02:22:07,840 --> 02:22:12,100
Their children, they would don't know how to keep the secret when they have to.

1901
02:22:12,100 --> 02:22:16,960
inadvertently it would come out. I am opposed to that for that reason. Hold on.

1902
02:22:21,860 --> 02:22:27,500
And the misunderstanding you spoke to about the role, I think if they're sitting in the back

1903
02:22:27,500 --> 02:22:33,480
and I think it's a good idea they sit with staff in the back that would kind of maybe separate

1904
02:22:33,480 --> 02:22:40,200
them from the school board. So the role that visually the public can see that there's a separation.

1905
02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:52,440
And my concerns are more about protecting the student and not putting in a position like we had

1906
02:22:52,440 --> 02:22:52,840
left here.

1907
02:22:52,840 --> 02:22:54,280
That was just plain disgusting.

1908
02:22:56,100 --> 02:22:59,060
And I'm sorry, I feel so strongly on that.

1909
02:22:59,200 --> 02:23:01,600
But I still think we should continue the program.

1910
02:23:01,940 --> 02:23:03,660
I think it should be in the back of the room again.

1911
02:23:03,820 --> 02:23:07,820
If we could range it, we have an election day and take, I don't know,

1912
02:23:07,820 --> 02:23:15,160
arbitrarily 11 o'clock on whatever October or whatever day you want to do it and have an election in the classroom.

1913
02:23:16,000 --> 02:23:22,720
I'm sure our teachers can give up 10 minutes of a classroom time to collect ballots and have them marked by somebody here.

1914
02:23:23,120 --> 02:23:27,880
Have the student government at that point count the ballots and check them off whatever you want to do.

1915
02:23:28,340 --> 02:23:36,560
That would be that would instill the civics involved, the lesson is supposed to be learned by having that delegate up here and not having

1916
02:23:36,560 --> 02:23:40,840
a 60 student vote in the school.

1917
02:23:41,120 --> 02:23:42,320
Mr. Johnson, are you finished?

1918
02:23:42,640 --> 02:23:44,400
I think she wanted to respond to Mr. Johnson

1919
02:23:44,400 --> 02:23:45,580
and then we'll go to Ms. Rodriguez.

1920
02:23:47,240 --> 02:23:49,920
So to go back just to the meaningful input part,

1921
02:23:50,240 --> 02:23:51,620
that was something we were recommending

1922
02:23:51,620 --> 02:23:54,260
as the student representative

1923
02:23:54,260 --> 02:23:56,620
and the other high school students

1924
02:23:56,620 --> 02:23:58,440
could meet with, say, Mr. Pender

1925
02:23:58,440 --> 02:24:00,820
and be able to have those conversations

1926
02:24:00,820 --> 02:24:03,280
not to receive district information

1927
02:24:03,280 --> 02:24:06,100
but to share concerns that are going on

1928
02:24:06,100 --> 02:24:10,160
the schools, because that's not something that they currently are able to do, where they could

1929
02:24:10,160 --> 02:24:11,620
ask questions.

1930
02:24:12,200 --> 02:24:17,060
I think that's a great idea, and I wrote it to Mr. Pinder and he came up and wrote it

1931
02:24:17,060 --> 02:24:17,540
to the board.

1932
02:24:17,800 --> 02:24:19,580
That would be the proper way to go about that.

1933
02:24:20,380 --> 02:24:25,120
That's what I meant for meaningful input, not to have any access to sensitive information.

1934
02:24:25,460 --> 02:24:31,020
It was more keeping the student conversation confidential, rather than public record where

1935
02:24:31,020 --> 02:24:35,700
a student could say something where a situation could occur or something be taken out

1936
02:24:35,700 --> 02:24:40,160
contact. Thank you for the clarification. My interest is solely, is protecting the student

1937
02:24:40,160 --> 02:24:42,340
up here from her. Thank you, Mr. Johnson.

1938
02:24:43,580 --> 02:24:48,580
Can I add just one more about the voting? So I know in an ideal world and it's something

1939
02:24:48,580 --> 02:24:53,500
that we've discussed to have the entire district vote, but right now if the schools are

1940
02:24:53,500 --> 02:24:58,100
having trouble having to turn out for their own elections, I think that would be a difficult

1941
02:24:59,080 --> 02:24:59,520
accomplishment.

1942
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:05,160
Make to have all students in the district voting. The student delegates right now, the youngest student

1943
02:25:05,160 --> 02:25:09,460
delegate that we have is a fourth grader. We have fourth and fifth grade, so they're the upper elementary

1944
02:25:09,460 --> 02:25:14,440
students. And those are students who, after own schools, are being identified based on their

1945
02:25:14,440 --> 02:25:19,180
leadership. So they're student government presidents. They're involved in student council. So they're

1946
02:25:19,180 --> 02:25:23,760
working hard to earn those student delegate roles. And those are the students that come to represent

1947
02:25:23,760 --> 02:25:29,900
their school with that vote. The way that I explain it to their advisors is the elementary students

1948
02:25:29,900 --> 02:25:35,420
the middle school students, they're supposed to view the campaign videos of our representative,

1949
02:25:36,060 --> 02:25:40,720
bring that to those student government meetings, student council meetings, talk about

1950
02:25:40,720 --> 02:25:43,760
the different candidates and which way the school would want to vote.

1951
02:25:44,280 --> 02:25:49,940
So it is not supposed to be a popularity contest or some of the other things that were described

1952
02:25:49,940 --> 02:25:51,120
that happens here.

1953
02:25:51,300 --> 02:25:52,960
They're supposed to come informed.

1954
02:25:53,400 --> 02:25:57,840
I also play the videos at our election that way the students who perhaps didn't get to see

1955
02:25:57,840 --> 02:26:02,760
would get to see those videos. And then they make that cast, cast, and vote for their school.

1956
02:26:02,840 --> 02:26:08,000
What, what, typically, when do those elections take place? So for this at the elementary

1957
02:26:08,000 --> 02:26:13,020
schools? At the school level. So currently, I would say in August right now, which is why we

1958
02:26:13,020 --> 02:26:18,520
scheduled the election for the student representative early October. All right. So by middle

1959
02:26:18,520 --> 02:26:27,040
September, they're in place. So at that point, if you had an election day in school and celebrated

1960
02:26:27,040 --> 02:26:31,420
to correspond close to with the general elections.

1961
02:26:32,120 --> 02:26:33,920
Now, you're getting bring civic sense to it,

1962
02:26:33,920 --> 02:26:35,400
you're bringing history into it.

1963
02:26:35,400 --> 02:26:38,300
You can bring a whole host of other activities

1964
02:26:38,300 --> 02:26:40,040
that would center around that.

1965
02:26:40,200 --> 02:26:42,720
We had one day take a half a period,

1966
02:26:42,900 --> 02:26:46,000
15 minutes, put the ballots out,

1967
02:26:46,080 --> 02:26:47,920
let the kids all fill them out,

1968
02:26:48,060 --> 02:26:49,800
collect them, have the student governments,

1969
02:26:50,380 --> 02:26:52,200
mark them and grade them and put them in piles.

1970
02:26:52,200 --> 02:26:58,720
And now they get the experience of being a campus or a pole work.

1971
02:26:59,000 --> 02:27:00,160
And now you have your totals.

1972
02:27:00,380 --> 02:27:04,680
Now you come into this room and you have more than 60 students in high school.

1973
02:27:05,660 --> 02:27:06,720
I understand what you're saying.

1974
02:27:06,920 --> 02:27:12,060
I think it shows our students' elegance who works for the role that they are the ones responsible

1975
02:27:12,060 --> 02:27:14,140
for casting that vote for their school.

1976
02:27:14,940 --> 02:27:19,300
I know in an ideal world that would be great to have all of the students in the district vote.

1977
02:27:19,780 --> 02:27:21,640
As a principal, do you want to speak to how?

1978
02:27:21,640 --> 02:27:26,500
So you think that would roll out if we had all elementary middle and high schools.

1979
02:27:27,000 --> 02:27:27,260
I'm voting.

1980
02:27:27,460 --> 02:27:31,580
I think, honestly, we need to probably decide how we want our student delegate to go.

1981
02:27:31,720 --> 02:27:35,180
And then we can move on how you want to handle the voting if we have time.

1982
02:27:35,300 --> 02:27:37,260
I'm just afraid of it with our time management.

1983
02:27:37,760 --> 02:27:43,220
Even if later on you follow up with emails with us like, hey, this is how these are our ideas on how we're going to vote.

1984
02:27:43,620 --> 02:27:45,060
And then we could chime in on that.

1985
02:27:45,140 --> 02:27:51,520
But ultimately today, we really have to decide, are we going to have the delegates sit here or from the back or

1986
02:27:51,520 --> 02:27:55,720
what's happening. Okay. Ms. Rodriguez wants to. It's going to take

1987
02:27:55,720 --> 02:27:59,760
share her opinion. This has been a big thing. So I will be lengthy. That's

1988
02:27:59,760 --> 02:28:03,800
usual. I want to be clear that this is not about taking student voice

1989
02:28:03,800 --> 02:28:10,580
away. According to 2026 statewide information that I also did research on. Only

1990
02:28:10,580 --> 02:28:15,300
five of a Florida 67 school districts currently seat student delegates on their

1991
02:28:15,300 --> 02:28:20,440
school boards and there are reasons. That means 93% of Florida school

1992
02:28:20,440 --> 02:28:26,900
districts have found other ways to hear from students without placing a minor in that highly visible position.

1993
02:28:27,820 --> 02:28:35,360
We can preserve and even strengthen our student delegate program while changing where the student sits and how that student participates.

1994
02:28:35,960 --> 02:28:40,400
Students can provide a report at every meeting. They can have a dedicated agenda item.

1995
02:28:40,820 --> 02:28:48,800
They can participate in student advisory councils. They can meet regularly with the superintendent and the board members, which did not happen before.

1996
02:28:48,800 --> 02:28:59,760
So, all of these things that I think you did tell me that this all coming to the forefront has impacted you and has changed things because I think you said before there was really no activity

1997
02:29:01,440 --> 02:29:04,460
And they can bring recommendations directly to us.

1998
02:29:04,860 --> 02:29:11,060
My concern is that once we physically place a minor on the diets beside five elected officials

1999
02:29:11,980 --> 02:29:15,680
The public can perceive that child as another public official

2000
02:29:15,680 --> 02:29:27,140
That exposes the student to a level of scrutiny, controversy, and personal attack that the five adults that are sitting here voluntarily accepted when we ran for office.

2001
02:29:27,460 --> 02:29:28,560
That minor did not.

2002
02:29:29,280 --> 02:29:32,300
And we saw that firsthand and it was horrific.

2003
02:29:33,120 --> 02:29:37,600
When we already know that a student is being targeted through social media or in person,

2004
02:29:38,220 --> 02:29:43,460
I don't believe that we should just ignore that risk simply because this is how we've always done it.

2005
02:29:43,460 --> 02:29:58,000
And we just want to dig our heels in and just say we're not changing it. We're just not. And especially sometimes it's the kind of the Trump syndrome. It's the Shannon syndrome because Shannon said it. So then you got everybody showing up the ones that.

2006
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:06,120
Are not thinking everything through and looking at both sides just a fact just to rebuttle because it's what I'm saying.

2007
02:30:06,680 --> 02:30:14,160
I'm not saying it for anything for myself because I have three children. One in fifth grade, one in ninth grade, one in 11th grade.

2008
02:30:14,860 --> 02:30:23,620
I would love nothing more and be honored to have them sitting up here where their mother sat. I think that would be absolutely fantastic.

2009
02:30:23,620 --> 02:30:30,680
But at the end of the day, I have to stop and not consider my children, not consider putting them up here,

2010
02:30:31,000 --> 02:30:33,780
not consider having them walk and have a legacy with me.

2011
02:30:33,980 --> 02:30:37,680
But I have to consider ultimately the safety of that student.

2012
02:30:38,200 --> 02:30:39,300
That's what I have to consider.

2013
02:30:39,920 --> 02:30:46,600
More than anything, and I have to consider also the risk and the liability that the district takes on.

2014
02:30:49,000 --> 02:30:59,860
I don't think that we have to, well, her name is on website, currently acknowledges that the student has no voting power, and it does not participate in official board decisions.

2015
02:31:00,720 --> 02:31:06,520
So there is no governance necessity for the student to physically occupy a diasposition.

2016
02:31:07,420 --> 02:31:11,100
Mrs. Vansik said it correctly, and so to Mr. Johnson, when she said,

2017
02:31:11,640 --> 02:31:17,160
Ultimately, what has to happen for her is she has to sit here and make a decision when she votes.

2018
02:31:17,520 --> 02:31:25,060
Is she putting a student in harm and what we just saw and how bad it was and what could happen in the next year.

2019
02:31:26,400 --> 02:31:32,080
So, when they're occupying this dies position, resembling that of the elected members,

2020
02:31:32,380 --> 02:31:36,600
in order for the student to provide a report and meaningful input, it's not necessary.

2021
02:31:37,240 --> 02:31:40,100
We don't have to put them through that. That's a lot of stress.

2022
02:31:40,100 --> 02:31:41,880
That's a lot of mental anguish.

2023
02:31:42,760 --> 02:31:46,060
I think that taking Hernandez

2024
02:31:46,060 --> 02:31:48,240
entire delegate election system,

2025
02:31:48,780 --> 02:31:50,720
but we can have the elected student representative

2026
02:31:50,720 --> 02:31:54,000
sit in a designated student representative location,

2027
02:31:54,320 --> 02:31:55,820
such as you had suggested.

2028
02:31:56,600 --> 02:31:59,360
Off the elected board, Dias, they can come forward

2029
02:31:59,360 --> 02:32:02,260
for a standing agenda item near the beginning of every meeting,

2030
02:32:02,520 --> 02:32:05,380
or however you guys decide to do it, your formality.

2031
02:32:05,820 --> 02:32:07,160
They can give the student report.

2032
02:32:07,260 --> 02:32:08,680
They can answer board questions.

2033
02:32:08,680 --> 02:32:26,820
They can continue attending delegate advisory meetings that preserves virtually every benefit of the program while creating a visual and functional distinction between a minor serving in an educational advisory role and adults up here holding elected public office.

2034
02:32:27,500 --> 02:32:33,740
And then if anyone up here wants to say, well, coming forward at the podium isn't that the same as them sitting on the dais.

2035
02:32:33,740 --> 02:32:39,080
Coming to the podium to give a student report is absolutely not the same as sitting on the

2036
02:32:39,080 --> 02:32:41,200
Daias for an entire school board meeting.

2037
02:32:41,760 --> 02:32:45,920
The podium is where people come to provide information and perspective to the board.

2038
02:32:46,360 --> 02:32:53,260
The Daias is where the elected governing body sits, deliberates, debates, questions, staff,

2039
02:32:53,600 --> 02:32:55,040
and ultimately makes decisions.

2040
02:32:55,920 --> 02:33:01,660
A student coming forward for a designated agenda item is clearly there in an advisory and

2041
02:33:01,660 --> 02:33:02,800
representative capacity.

2042
02:33:02,800 --> 02:33:16,160
A student sitting beside elected board members for hours creates the appearance that the students part of the governing body, even though that student has no vote and no legal authority.

2043
02:33:16,860 --> 02:33:20,060
More importantly, limiting the student's exposure matters.

2044
02:33:20,060 --> 02:33:24,300
a five or 10-minute student report, them coming up to the Dias.

2045
02:33:25,560 --> 02:33:29,860
That does not place a minor visually alongside elected officials

2046
02:33:29,860 --> 02:33:33,780
throughout Controversial Debate, such as Mr. Johnson said,

2047
02:33:34,200 --> 02:33:37,060
contentious public comments in difficult board decisions.

2048
02:33:38,620 --> 02:33:41,840
So my question I'd like to pose to all of you

2049
02:33:41,840 --> 02:33:45,880
would be to those who want to keep the position exactly as it is,

2050
02:33:46,360 --> 02:33:48,200
regardless of the impact on the student.

2051
02:33:48,200 --> 02:33:58,180
I would respectfully ask, do you not feel some responsibility when a child is placed in an environment that has clearly become harmful?

2052
02:33:59,000 --> 02:34:02,300
We just went through it for a year and it was not good.

2053
02:34:02,420 --> 02:34:08,900
There isn't one of us up here that can say that they didn't have that impact and that we didn't see what that was like.

2054
02:34:09,560 --> 02:34:12,580
Tradition cannot outweigh student safety and well-being.

2055
02:34:12,580 --> 02:34:17,460
And you have to ask yourselves, at what point do we, as adults, become responsible?

2056
02:34:18,620 --> 02:34:20,500
That's exactly what Mrs. Vonsec said.

2057
02:34:20,980 --> 02:34:21,680
Hats off to her.

2058
02:34:21,960 --> 02:34:26,220
She said the responsibility lies in her decision.

2059
02:34:26,800 --> 02:34:35,400
And as adults up here, I understand you did the consensus you asked, if I let my children

2060
02:34:36,020 --> 02:34:41,400
make decisions right now for their selves, we would be in trouble because they're children

2061
02:34:41,400 --> 02:34:43,300
because they don't know better.

2062
02:34:44,040 --> 02:34:45,140
And that's why we're adults.

2063
02:34:47,770 --> 02:34:50,410
So if we continue allowing a student to sit on this diet,

2064
02:34:50,810 --> 02:34:53,290
knowing that they're being targeted, harassed,

2065
02:34:53,350 --> 02:34:54,830
and attacked on social media,

2066
02:34:55,170 --> 02:34:58,130
are we truly acting in that student's best interest?

2067
02:34:58,810 --> 02:34:59,970
That's what I want all of you.

2068
02:35:01,540 --> 02:35:05,300
And when it comes to our liability,

2069
02:35:08,530 --> 02:35:15,030
let me explain that. A parent could potentially sue a Florida school district under many circumstances.

2070
02:35:17,410 --> 02:35:24,590
We have a lot of different reasons that that could happen to us because the key issue would be, did the district?

2071
02:35:24,590 --> 02:35:32,750
Didn't merely know generally that cyberbullying exists, it knew this particular minor was being targeted, even if the parent signs a waiver.

2072
02:35:33,430 --> 02:35:39,690
Guess what? We knew. We watched. We witnessed. We kept them here. We didn't change it.

2073
02:35:39,750 --> 02:35:44,130
Doesn't matter what the parent signs that paper doesn't do anything in the court of law.

2074
02:35:45,750 --> 02:35:52,710
So while they were participating in a district created, because we created that environment, we set them up here.

2075
02:35:52,710 --> 02:35:56,350
Mrs. Bonsick was dead on when she said that. We put him up here with us.

2076
02:35:57,490 --> 02:36:02,850
Highly visible student position, we knew the harassment was escalating and nevertheless we

2077
02:36:02,850 --> 02:36:09,090
felt to take reasonable steps to reduce a foreseeable danger. So at the end of the day,

2078
02:36:10,290 --> 02:36:16,330
we also know that this board has actual knowledge that a minor serving in a district created

2079
02:36:16,330 --> 02:36:22,330
student-delegive position is experiencing cyberbullying and public harassment connected to that role.

2080
02:36:22,710 --> 02:36:25,410
what potential liability does the district assume

2081
02:36:25,410 --> 02:36:27,950
if we knowingly continue that exposure

2082
02:36:27,950 --> 02:36:30,330
and that the student suffers serious harm?

2083
02:36:30,670 --> 02:36:33,150
Does our knowledge of the ongoing harassment change

2084
02:36:33,150 --> 02:36:35,790
our duty from a risk management standpoint

2085
02:36:35,790 --> 02:36:39,210
and have we satisfied every requirement of Florida statute

2086
02:36:39,210 --> 02:36:44,490
1 0 0 6.147 and our own anti-bullying policy

2087
02:36:44,490 --> 02:36:47,350
regarding investigation, parental notification,

2088
02:36:48,050 --> 02:36:50,230
intervention and protection of the student.

2089
02:36:51,150 --> 02:37:19,510
So, at the end of the day, I cannot sit here and say, the what we witnessed, what we felt, what we went through, all the private meetings, all of the things that the public is not aware of, I am aware of, so I cannot stand here in good earnest and say that we're just going to dig our hills in, and no matter what, we're going to put them through the ringer and they're going to sit up here because we're just not going to make that change, because traditional, this is what we've done and we're going to continue.

2090
02:37:19,510 --> 02:37:24,170
You know, not to mention, we also had a board up here before that was not for this.

2091
02:37:24,270 --> 02:37:26,490
Mr. Pinder, I think you remember that.

2092
02:37:26,650 --> 02:37:31,710
We did have a board before years and years ago that expressed this exact potential problem.

2093
02:37:31,910 --> 02:37:36,130
They went with it, but they said, our fear is what could come ahead.

2094
02:37:36,230 --> 02:37:36,830
And guess what?

2095
02:37:37,230 --> 02:37:37,710
It did.

2096
02:37:37,790 --> 02:37:38,370
And it's here.

2097
02:37:38,730 --> 02:37:40,190
And that was a long time ago.

2098
02:37:40,530 --> 02:37:44,190
And the climate now in this world has caught up to what they predicted.

2099
02:37:44,190 --> 02:37:51,450
back then it wasn't nearest bad, but we have become treacherous. This community, all communities,

2100
02:37:52,170 --> 02:37:56,390
people, they're ugly, people are vindictive, people are hateful, people have no regard for

2101
02:37:56,390 --> 02:38:01,370
somebody's emotional well-being. So now we're here. So at the state that we're in right now

2102
02:38:01,370 --> 02:38:06,630
is what our current boards have predicted would happen. And guess what folks open up your eyes

2103
02:38:06,630 --> 02:38:11,830
because we're here, we just went through it and you don't know what's going to come next. So I'm not

2104
02:38:11,830 --> 02:38:17,170
to put the safety of that student in a position like that ever again, not at this moment.

2105
02:38:17,530 --> 02:38:24,410
Mr. Johnson, I concur. I agree completely with Mrs. Monzick. I concur with you, and I would like to see

2106
02:38:24,410 --> 02:38:29,070
us be sensible about this and it not be a Shannon thing because this isn't a Shannon thing.

2107
02:38:29,290 --> 02:38:34,510
I would love nothing more than it not be the way it is, but we are here. Thank you for your time.

2108
02:38:35,450 --> 02:38:36,290
Thank you, Ms. Rodriguez.

2109
02:38:37,550 --> 02:38:42,010
So, I appreciate that we are looking at different models.

2110
02:38:44,890 --> 02:38:49,930
However, I don't believe that changing where the student sits solves the problem.

2111
02:38:50,910 --> 02:38:54,450
Whether the student sits at the dieous or comes to the podium to give a report,

2112
02:38:54,910 --> 02:38:57,870
I still believe there are going to be publicly identified as the student representative

2113
02:38:57,870 --> 02:38:59,430
and could still be a target online.

2114
02:39:01,270 --> 02:39:04,910
This program has been in place since 2011 and provides an incredible opportunity

2115
02:39:04,910 --> 02:39:07,650
opportunity for student leadership and civic engagement.

2116
02:39:08,650 --> 02:39:13,170
I would hate us to take that opportunity away because of the inappropriate behavior of adults.

2117
02:39:14,050 --> 02:39:19,150
We should absolutely put safeguards at the best we can in place clearly define the student's role,

2118
02:39:19,410 --> 02:39:22,090
but I don't believe eliminating the program as the answer.

2119
02:39:22,610 --> 02:39:29,290
I think that as a parent explaining the safeguards what we can do is a district what we can't do,

2120
02:39:29,530 --> 02:39:34,130
the potential letting that parent and the student decide what's best for their child if they

2121
02:39:34,130 --> 02:39:39,310
are elected. Do they want to sit up here? Maybe give them both choices. Instead of us just

2122
02:39:39,310 --> 02:39:43,270
deciding, oh, they're going to definitely sit at the die. Let the student delegate and their

2123
02:39:43,270 --> 02:39:48,490
parents have that decision. I don't want to listen. I don't want the lesson to our students to be

2124
02:39:48,490 --> 02:39:55,010
that when adults behave badly, the student loses the opportunity. I feel like social media. We have

2125
02:39:55,010 --> 02:39:59,970
post, students on social media, we obviously have parental consent for that, but it-

2126
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:11,700
Any time somebody could go online on our Facebook page and see our students and target that student, and that student become bullied at the same thing that happened with our student delegate.

2127
02:40:13,700 --> 02:40:21,700
I think that we provide the best possible safe environment every day for our students, and just like someone had said to me about sports.

2128
02:40:22,380 --> 02:40:25,060
A parent knows there's a risk when you play sports.

2129
02:40:25,700 --> 02:40:34,860
If a child is playing football, we provide them with a helmet, we provide them, you know, with the pads to help prevent and hopefully to help prevent injuries.

2130
02:40:35,140 --> 02:40:36,000
Excuse me.

2131
02:40:36,540 --> 02:40:38,840
But at the end of the day, there's still a risk to that.

2132
02:40:38,980 --> 02:40:42,360
There's a risk when you send your child to school every day.

2133
02:40:42,720 --> 02:40:46,000
A risk that your child could be bullied every day when they go to school.

2134
02:40:46,240 --> 02:40:48,200
There's a risk to drive in a car.

2135
02:40:48,700 --> 02:40:49,840
We take risks.

2136
02:40:49,920 --> 02:40:53,540
We can't put a bubble around our children all the time.

2137
02:40:54,820 --> 02:41:01,560
I just feel that if the families know the risk involved in the students and we've done everything

2138
02:41:01,560 --> 02:41:08,660
we've can to explain this, I feel that it should ultimately come down to their decision whether

2139
02:41:08,660 --> 02:41:12,620
or not they want to sit in the back and come to the podium or sit at the Daias.

2140
02:41:13,400 --> 02:41:17,120
I believe it's a great opportunity learning opportunity for them.

2141
02:41:17,300 --> 02:41:22,780
We are advocating for our students to be leaders and what a really unique experience and all

2142
02:41:22,780 --> 02:41:29,060
the things that you are doing to prepare the students. I'm like, wow, I wish I had that as a school board member.

2143
02:41:29,560 --> 02:41:35,060
I have somebody come in and prepare, you know, with the knowledge that you're going to give these students.

2144
02:41:35,760 --> 02:41:40,980
And just the experience alone, if you've heard past student delegates speak on on that.

2145
02:41:41,920 --> 02:41:44,580
It really is an opportunity that's unique.

2146
02:41:45,040 --> 02:41:50,380
And I'm proud that Hernando County has that opportunity, and I would hate to see it go to the wayside.

2147
02:41:50,380 --> 02:42:02,880
So that's my opinion. I know that I respect and I can view and understand Mr. Johnson, Miss Rodriguez, and Miss Bonsick's views on it, but personally, this is how I feel.

2148
02:42:03,480 --> 02:42:19,040
So if we want to just go around, we don't have to discuss if we agree or disagree. We just need to decide, are we going with Model 1 or Model 2, which is Model 1 was to come from, or say that at the dias, and Model 2 was to sit in the back and come forward.

2149
02:42:19,040 --> 02:42:26,140
So if we can just go around and you can just say whether you want to stick with model one day at the diet's or model two come

2150
02:42:26,140 --> 02:42:29,440
Unfortunately to be respectful

2151
02:42:30,860 --> 02:42:49,020
Mrs. Chair, I don't agree that we can just go around and speak with model one and model two. This is a big event right now and for you just to say pick one or two. I don't I don't agree. I think but I think that everybody has voiced their their concern and we're just going to be a dialogue back and forth. So when you say that

2152
02:42:49,020 --> 02:42:54,880
anything can happen anybody it's risky that's not exactly accurate on any level it's not adults

2153
02:42:54,880 --> 02:42:59,980
attacking kids and sports like what's happening to the delegates it's a completely different

2154
02:43:00,820 --> 02:43:07,500
animal altogether and we're just gonna have to disagree to agree to disagree on on a lot of this

2155
02:43:07,500 --> 02:43:12,480
and that's why i'm saying i think it would be best in this situation to just go around and say switch

2156
02:43:12,480 --> 02:43:17,540
model you prefer so you're not telling me that so there's but there's a significant difference

2157
02:43:17,540 --> 02:43:21,760
between the ordinary risk that comes with student leadership and a specific risk of this

2158
02:43:21,760 --> 02:43:26,400
for nose is already occurring. That's entirely that doesn't even, that's like apples

2159
02:43:26,400 --> 02:43:33,000
to oranges. And I don't disagree, I'm not disrespecting what you have to say. I, what

2160
02:43:33,000 --> 02:43:36,760
you say you don't have to be a shaman and I don't have to be a Casey, I get that. But what

2161
02:43:36,760 --> 02:43:41,820
I'm trying to say to you is what the case that you're trying to claim here is that there's

2162
02:43:41,820 --> 02:43:47,520
risk with anything, so let's just leave them sitting up here. But that doesn't fit. That

2163
02:43:47,520 --> 02:43:53,380
size. At the end of the day, we're not talking about a hypothetical situation. We're talking

2164
02:43:53,380 --> 02:43:58,620
about a minor who's been subjected to cyberbullying in public harassment while occupying

2165
02:43:58,620 --> 02:44:03,660
a highly visible position on this diet. Saying that everything has risk, it's not a reason

2166
02:44:03,660 --> 02:44:09,720
to disregard a risk that we can reasonably reduce. We are the adults, we chose to run for this

2167
02:44:09,720 --> 02:44:15,080
elected office to sit on this diet, to make difficult decisions, and subject ourselves to public

2168
02:44:15,080 --> 02:44:19,020
scrutiny, but we also are supposed to safeguard these children.

2169
02:44:19,280 --> 02:44:24,420
That is our job first and foremost, a student delegate is a minor participating in what

2170
02:44:24,420 --> 02:44:27,340
is supposed to be an educational leadership opportunity.

2171
02:44:28,020 --> 02:44:32,800
That child should not have to endure the same political environment that elected adults

2172
02:44:32,800 --> 02:44:34,040
voluntarily accepted.

2173
02:44:34,660 --> 02:44:38,340
Moving the student from the Dias does not silence that student's voice.

2174
02:44:39,000 --> 02:44:40,940
I do not want to see this program gone.

2175
02:44:41,340 --> 02:44:42,820
I've never wanted to see it.

2176
02:44:42,820 --> 02:44:45,980
a long time ago someone came up and someone said,

2177
02:44:46,120 --> 02:44:48,340
a long time ago, somebody said something about,

2178
02:44:48,640 --> 02:44:50,360
well, you said you wanted to remove it completely.

2179
02:44:51,020 --> 02:44:52,180
No, I never did.

2180
02:44:52,280 --> 02:44:56,160
If it came out that way, I am sorry that it came out that way.

2181
02:44:56,320 --> 02:44:59,980
What I was trying to convey is I want to remove the child.

2182
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,980
I've heard from being put in harm's way. I want to keep the program. I would never want to eradicate it. So, back to people that wrote on social media that, you lie, you said one day, you want to remove it, and then you said you didn't. I've never wanted to remove it. I have always wanted to keep that program. But I also want to make sure that the student sitting up here is safe. I never want something to happen, and that is on our hands. So moving the student from the diet, once again, does not silence the student's voice. Give the student a statement.

2183
02:45:30,000 --> 02:45:34,640
handing a gender item, give them the microphone, let it report directly to the sport, bring

2184
02:45:34,640 --> 02:45:39,600
forward students, concerns, make recommendations, answer our questions, but once we know

2185
02:45:39,600 --> 02:45:44,080
that the current structure is contributing to a child becoming a target, I don't believe

2186
02:45:44,080 --> 02:45:49,880
everything is risky. In an adequate, it's an adequate reason to do nothing. I don't agree.

2187
02:45:50,140 --> 02:45:54,880
I think that, because everything's risky, that just gives us an adequate reason, once again,

2188
02:45:55,020 --> 02:45:59,680
I just said to do nothing about it. We'll just leave it because everything's risky. Our responsibility

2189
02:45:59,680 --> 02:46:02,100
isn't to eliminate every possible risk.

2190
02:46:02,520 --> 02:46:07,360
Our responsibility is to take reasonable steps to reduce the foreseeable risk when we know

2191
02:46:07,360 --> 02:46:12,060
that it exists, which we know it exists, especially when we're talking about the safety

2192
02:46:12,060 --> 02:46:13,520
and well-being of a minor.

2193
02:46:13,840 --> 02:46:15,180
That's what you were elected for.

2194
02:46:15,460 --> 02:46:19,640
We were elected to sit up here and to safeguard these children and to keep them out of a

2195
02:46:19,640 --> 02:46:21,400
position that could be horrible.

2196
02:46:21,980 --> 02:46:26,620
If we can preserve 100% of the students' voice while reducing the students' unnecessary

2197
02:46:26,620 --> 02:46:31,740
very exposure. I believe that that's a responsible choice. Thank you. I believe it's just

2198
02:46:31,740 --> 02:46:34,840
this risk you have and I'm coming from the podium or coming to the podium. Mr.

2199
02:46:34,980 --> 02:46:38,480
Wall, it's your turn and then Mr. Myers would like to speak. Thank you.

2200
02:46:39,040 --> 02:46:42,200
Okay. I think what you had was a great idea.

2201
02:46:44,580 --> 02:46:47,720
Option one option two, let the student decide.

2202
02:46:47,780 --> 02:46:51,740
The student and the parent. I mean, they're child. I mean, you know, they're,

2203
02:46:51,740 --> 02:46:55,560
where it's actively involved in this new process.

2204
02:46:56,980 --> 02:46:56,980
So,

2205
02:46:59,360 --> 02:47:05,300
I will defer to letting the student family decide

2206
02:47:05,730 --> 02:47:08,080
if they want option three.

2207
02:47:08,760 --> 02:47:09,680
Option three.

2208
02:47:10,180 --> 02:47:11,040
They know the rest.

2209
02:47:11,580 --> 02:47:12,660
They know we'll write.

2210
02:47:13,040 --> 02:47:15,300
The student can add parents and family

2211
02:47:15,300 --> 02:47:17,180
and whoever else involved.

2212
02:47:17,700 --> 02:47:20,560
Let them, we set up this process.

2213
02:47:20,800 --> 02:47:21,800
We've got it down.

2214
02:47:21,800 --> 02:47:27,540
Let the student, parent, family, make the decision each year.

2215
02:47:28,140 --> 02:47:31,980
And they can sit here or they can sit back there.

2216
02:47:32,820 --> 02:47:34,180
It's the student voice.

2217
02:47:35,960 --> 02:47:40,280
Now we are hearing their voice and what they would like to do.

2218
02:47:40,640 --> 02:47:44,660
And isn't that the ultimate of what we are all about?

2219
02:47:45,740 --> 02:47:46,900
Putting them on this.

2220
02:47:47,160 --> 02:47:47,520
Okay, yes.

2221
02:47:47,820 --> 02:47:48,180
Hold on.

2222
02:47:48,740 --> 02:47:48,940
Hold on.

2223
02:47:49,880 --> 02:47:50,160
Okay.

2224
02:47:52,780 --> 02:48:00,300
So I would like to put it out there, third option, agree with you,

2225
02:48:02,610 --> 02:48:03,770
let the chips fall.

2226
02:48:04,810 --> 02:48:05,110
Thank you.

2227
02:48:05,590 --> 02:48:06,850
All right, Mr. Johnson.

2228
02:48:07,270 --> 02:48:07,910
Would you please call?

2229
02:48:07,910 --> 02:48:08,190
We can't.

2230
02:48:08,770 --> 02:48:09,610
We're not really voting.

2231
02:48:09,790 --> 02:48:11,370
We could just have a consensus.

2232
02:48:11,890 --> 02:48:12,650
But I think.

2233
02:48:12,650 --> 02:48:13,690
Ask for a consensus.

2234
02:48:13,910 --> 02:48:14,310
I will.

2235
02:48:14,470 --> 02:48:16,390
But Mr. Mayors asked to.

2236
02:48:16,390 --> 02:48:18,370
Mr. Mayors asked to have input.

2237
02:48:18,370 --> 02:48:21,710
And my job is to be legal advisor to the board.

2238
02:48:21,870 --> 02:48:23,990
Do you kind of agree or disagree with me?

2239
02:48:24,890 --> 02:48:29,050
If an item is presented that I believe is dangerous,

2240
02:48:30,070 --> 02:48:32,630
cannot be justified, legal, I would tell you that.

2241
02:48:32,790 --> 02:48:36,630
Option number one, in my opinion, may not be the best policy choice,

2242
02:48:36,910 --> 02:48:38,350
but it is legally defensible.

2243
02:48:38,750 --> 02:48:42,710
If you wanted to keep the student on the dice,

2244
02:48:43,090 --> 02:48:46,230
from a legally defensible, it is legally defensible.

2245
02:48:46,230 --> 02:48:52,150
Okay, there clearly is greater risk, there's greater exposure, is it foreseeable?

2246
02:48:52,790 --> 02:48:57,530
You could make all of those arguments, but if I felt that this is something that would cause

2247
02:48:57,530 --> 02:49:02,970
great legal damage to the board and the district I would say that, having said that, it's

2248
02:49:02,970 --> 02:49:06,910
a policy decision whether you want this person to sit on the bias, whether you want this

2249
02:49:06,910 --> 02:49:13,690
person to sit in the back with staff at the end of the day, there is visibility attached

2250
02:49:13,690 --> 02:49:18,550
this position. And you can't ignore what's happened in the past. The question is, is the district

2251
02:49:18,550 --> 02:49:24,310
done enough to try to insulate the student as best they can from these third party attacks.

2252
02:49:24,450 --> 02:49:31,790
And I can tell you, the laws not really recognizes that there are third parties that threaten

2253
02:49:31,790 --> 02:49:39,890
people and students and the responsibility of the board to try to minimize or mitigate those

2254
02:49:39,890 --> 02:49:45,270
dangerous to the student. At the end of the day, though, I think you can legally justify having

2255
02:49:45,270 --> 02:49:49,310
the student here, but that may not be the best decision light will happen. Before that's

2256
02:49:49,310 --> 02:49:54,830
a policy, it's not to legal decision for me to make. But if I believe that this was not

2257
02:49:54,830 --> 02:49:59,970
defensible and a court of lie, would tell you, you can't go with option one. So it's...

2258
02:50:03,720 --> 02:50:14,760
This is not my decision, I don't have a vote in this, but I would go with, I mean, if I was asked.

2259
02:50:14,760 --> 02:50:24,840
what would you do. So I would I like option two or three. I like giving a little bit of a choice.

2260
02:50:25,820 --> 02:50:33,680
In three, I think the safest obvious thing to do for students is option two of the three, but

2261
02:50:33,680 --> 02:50:37,100
in my opinion two or three. It's devol.

2262
02:50:41,210 --> 02:50:45,350
Oh, sorry. God. I'm sorry. I said devol. And then I'll come to you.

2263
02:50:45,350 --> 02:50:47,010
Sorry, her life was on first.

2264
02:50:47,690 --> 02:50:48,750
Go ahead, Mr. Ball.

2265
02:50:50,870 --> 02:50:55,070
If I only had the two options, I would go with one.

2266
02:50:55,870 --> 02:50:57,490
But as I said, I liked that option

2267
02:50:57,490 --> 02:51:00,350
of letting the student and the parent and the family

2268
02:51:00,990 --> 02:51:02,110
make that decision.

2269
02:51:02,330 --> 02:51:04,490
I think the board could be comfortable, hopefully,

2270
02:51:05,170 --> 02:51:09,690
with whatever that group of student, parent, family,

2271
02:51:10,090 --> 02:51:10,650
would decide.

2272
02:51:12,170 --> 02:51:12,430
I'm sorry.

2273
02:51:12,850 --> 02:51:13,710
I asked a question.

2274
02:51:14,190 --> 02:51:16,050
Even if the parents that did make that decision

2275
02:51:16,050 --> 02:51:20,410
last year and they said it was fine. Leave them up here. It didn't mitigate the risk and it didn't

2276
02:51:20,410 --> 02:51:26,210
mitigate the treacherous abuse that she went through. So at the end of the day, it was bad. So

2277
02:51:26,210 --> 02:51:31,190
whether the parents say, oh, we're okay, we're just going to stick it out. It's not as adults sitting

2278
02:51:31,190 --> 02:51:36,630
up here and acting as elected officials and in the capacity of what we have to go through, we don't

2279
02:51:36,630 --> 02:51:40,670
have to put a child through that just because they want to dig their hills and then say we're going

2280
02:51:40,670 --> 02:51:45,250
to make sure that we're going to see this thing through. There doesn't have to be a reason for that.

2281
02:51:45,250 --> 02:51:47,350
Why would we subject somebody through that?

2282
02:51:47,830 --> 02:51:49,590
We, she didn't go through it gracefully,

2283
02:51:49,610 --> 02:51:50,670
and everything was perfect.

2284
02:51:51,110 --> 02:51:51,930
We had problems.

2285
02:51:52,270 --> 02:51:53,250
We had lots of problems.

2286
02:51:53,870 --> 02:51:56,430
So I agree, Mr. Fender, as you're shaking your head,

2287
02:51:56,490 --> 02:51:58,910
because you know the problems in how significant it was.

2288
02:51:59,150 --> 02:52:01,970
So when you say option two, I will say,

2289
02:52:02,350 --> 02:52:03,610
and that's not a Shannon thing.

2290
02:52:03,690 --> 02:52:07,150
I have three children that I would love to be sitting up here.

2291
02:52:07,330 --> 02:52:11,430
If anything, I'm extremely competitive.

2292
02:52:11,690 --> 02:52:14,210
When it comes to being able to do everything,

2293
02:52:14,210 --> 02:52:18,270
and us make it all happen. And one of my kids get to be up here too. I love it all. My kids

2294
02:52:18,270 --> 02:52:24,770
run for everything. I want that. But I know that that's not a mature adult decision after what

2295
02:52:24,770 --> 02:52:30,090
we've subjected ourselves to and what we've been through. So, Mr. Pender, hats off. I commend you.

2296
02:52:30,330 --> 02:52:36,350
Mrs. Vonsick, thank you for looking at it the way you did. Mr. Johnson, the same. Because we are in a

2297
02:52:36,350 --> 02:52:41,570
position. What did she do? Mrs. Duval, you can say it in your mic. She was explaining that the safety

2298
02:52:41,570 --> 02:52:44,290
of the children is the utmost importance.

2299
02:52:44,650 --> 02:52:47,130
So I know you're talking to her in laughing, trying to get her to,

2300
02:52:47,190 --> 02:52:48,630
no, I won't tell you is.

2301
02:52:48,790 --> 02:52:51,590
Is that all of us would love if the days were different

2302
02:52:51,590 --> 02:52:54,150
and times were different to still have it the way it was.

2303
02:52:54,230 --> 02:52:56,690
But option two, it does protect the student

2304
02:52:56,690 --> 02:52:58,090
and it protects the district.

2305
02:52:58,410 --> 02:52:59,150
Thank you, Ms. Rodriguez.

2306
02:52:59,450 --> 02:53:00,910
Ms. Ponsik, you did have your light on.

2307
02:53:01,170 --> 02:53:02,190
Our Mr. Valer, you finished?

2308
02:53:03,650 --> 02:53:05,830
Ms. Ponsik, do you want to speak now?

2309
02:53:06,630 --> 02:53:07,090
Are you finished?

2310
02:53:07,690 --> 02:53:09,250
No, I think I'm good.

2311
02:53:09,250 --> 02:53:13,150
And I will always put the safety of the children first.

2312
02:53:14,170 --> 02:53:19,670
I want acknowledgment from parents either way, however the board goes, I want something

2313
02:53:19,670 --> 02:53:25,170
from the parents that at any point in time, if something like that was to happen, it's

2314
02:53:25,170 --> 02:53:30,650
the parents' choice to take them off of wherever they're at or take them out and protect

2315
02:53:30,650 --> 02:53:31,190
them.

2316
02:53:31,390 --> 02:53:33,530
I can only protect their children so much.

2317
02:53:33,530 --> 02:53:42,580
So, again, I'm okay with student parent input on where they sit, but there has to be something

2318
02:53:42,580 --> 02:53:48,680
majorly drawn up that they know the risks that come with sitting next to here because not

2319
02:53:48,680 --> 02:53:55,520
everybody can handle it. And I will not have a child commit suicide or do something while I

2320
02:53:55,520 --> 02:54:00,880
sit on this board. That will never happen for me. Well, if it won't, then that's when we need to be

2321
02:54:00,880 --> 02:54:02,180
the ones making the decision.

2322
02:54:02,420 --> 02:54:06,520
I don't agree with KC whether they say here or whether they come up to the front.

2323
02:54:06,740 --> 02:54:08,040
There's still our student delegate.

2324
02:54:08,380 --> 02:54:09,200
It's still could happen.

2325
02:54:09,480 --> 02:54:10,780
They can still take charges.

2326
02:54:10,900 --> 02:54:12,000
They can still target.

2327
02:54:12,440 --> 02:54:17,840
The only way to stop that is to take all kids that are any role into our district.

2328
02:54:18,160 --> 02:54:18,200
Stop.

2329
02:54:18,200 --> 02:54:19,020
That's not true.

2330
02:54:19,100 --> 02:54:19,880
Look at.

2331
02:54:19,980 --> 02:54:22,020
Do some homework on that and you'll see.

2332
02:54:22,240 --> 02:54:22,580
I have.

2333
02:54:22,840 --> 02:54:23,540
That is not true.

2334
02:54:23,620 --> 02:54:26,780
When they're up there for a few minutes and they leave, it's totally a different

2335
02:54:28,040 --> 02:54:33,900
Perception is a different perspective of them sitting up here for hours and a meeting being part of what we're going through.

2336
02:54:34,400 --> 02:54:35,820
It's totally as different.

2337
02:54:37,600 --> 02:54:48,160
Okay, so at this time, we need to decide what we're going to do if we're going to do option 1, 2, or now 3, 2, 2, 2, I say 3,

2338
02:54:50,750 --> 02:54:52,130
you said 2.

2339
02:54:52,130 --> 02:54:53,770
Okay, so she's removed.

2340
02:54:54,310 --> 02:54:55,170
You're she's removed.

2341
02:54:55,350 --> 02:54:57,050
They'll have to sit at the back and then come forward.

2342
02:54:58,150 --> 02:54:58,190
Okay.

2343
02:54:58,430 --> 02:54:59,310
Thank you.

2344
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:00,780
Thank you.

2345
02:55:04,620 --> 02:55:12,780
Thank you everyone. No, we're going to do anything about limiting the role they have as far as public speaking, is I think that also puts them in a jeopardy.

2346
02:55:14,100 --> 02:55:16,780
But we're going to let that go. When they come to the diocese, it's a thing.

2347
02:55:17,020 --> 02:55:21,920
That's different. That's how I'm at speaking engagements and going out representing the school district.

2348
02:55:22,240 --> 02:55:24,680
Outside functions, we're going to do anything with that or not.

2349
02:55:24,760 --> 02:55:28,360
No, I don't think that's part of her.

2350
02:55:30,650 --> 02:55:30,930
No.

2351
02:55:32,340 --> 02:55:35,160
So, Mr. Myers, do you have any closing comments?

2352
02:55:35,900 --> 02:55:36,860
No, I don't let him care.

2353
02:55:37,260 --> 02:55:37,520
All right.

2354
02:55:38,240 --> 02:55:39,600
Board, do we have any closing comments?

2355
02:55:41,280 --> 02:55:46,320
I do very quickly, and I want to thank Susan for going to the VAB.

2356
02:55:46,500 --> 02:55:48,280
I couldn't make it this week.

2357
02:55:48,780 --> 02:55:50,500
It meets twice a year.

2358
02:55:50,840 --> 02:55:52,760
So, somebody's going to have to fill my shoes.

2359
02:55:54,220 --> 02:55:57,380
And basically, with the value adjustment board,

2360
02:55:57,380 --> 02:56:04,200
Every year, the amount of cases have been going up that they rejuvenate, and they had

2361
02:56:04,200 --> 02:56:12,680
433 petitions filed for the 2025 tax year, and 139 were withdrawn.

2362
02:56:13,060 --> 02:56:18,280
They heard 271, which is a little less than 2024.

2363
02:56:19,400 --> 02:56:27,040
However, the total expense for the special magistrate was 55,000

2364
02:56:27,040 --> 02:56:33,960
six hundred and six dollars. We're responsible for one third of that, which was 22,242.

2365
02:56:34,520 --> 02:56:43,320
It's up a little bit from 24 when it was 19,600. It's expected to rise again, because, of course,

2366
02:56:43,480 --> 02:56:49,360
the magistrate's now make more money, so that will go up. So we're probably looking at about a $25,000

2367
02:56:49,360 --> 02:56:55,740
expense on special magistrate. And I just wanted to announce that again, Susan, thank you for

2368
02:56:55,740 --> 02:56:57,920
I'll bring for me.

2369
02:56:58,140 --> 02:56:59,660
All right, any further discussion?

2370
02:57:01,440 --> 02:57:04,280
All right, and with that, the meetings adjourned at 505 p.m.