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All right.

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It is now 7:33 PM.

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Council has been in
a closed session.

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I will ask that we
reconvene at this time.

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I do have a few
announcements tonight.

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Herndon is certainly part
of a much broader community,

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and we have a number
of our residents who

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or of Nepalese origin.

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And I do want to take
a moment to recognize

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and extend our collective town.

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Condolences to the
people of Nepal

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following the
catastrophic disasters

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that have brought them
unimaginable loss and

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devastation with these floods.

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We mourn, certainly for those
that have lost their lives

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or have family members and
friends that are missing,

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and we hold them in our
thoughts and the stand

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with their communities that
have been forever changed.

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I want our Nepalese
community here in Herndon

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to know that we offer our
heartfelt compassion to them

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as they endure this, as well
for their family members

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and their national
community as they await

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for news of any loved ones.

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While we continue in
that vein of remembrance,

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I also want to note that
September 11 is coming up

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and it's the 25th anniversary to
a profoundly devastating action

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that occurred here in the United
States and has certainly changed

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the course of our nation.

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I choose to remember that
as what came after, with how

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the nation and the people of
this country came together,

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and we saw it right
here in Herndon.

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There was a shortage
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and certainly no shortage
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for our neighbors.

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So just want to remember 11.

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We do have a few items
that are coming up

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that are of potential interest,
and I think one of them

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would be a very strong interest
given emails that I've received

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from people we do have
on the agenda tonight,

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roadway safety action plan.

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And part of it,
our chief of police

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will be joining to talk a
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but we will be having a big
e-bike 101 session on Wednesday.

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So tomorrow,
September 9 at o'clock

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PM at the Herndon
community center.

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Herndon will be there.

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It's designed to help
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members to understand safety.

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Please wear a helmet, but
also the classifications

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and regulations because we have
to operate within the state

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laws, and we are trying to
work with our state legislators

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to change some of
those laws, to allow

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us to support what we
need in our communities

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to make it safer.

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But we understand that
we need to educate.

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So that way, people,
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seen a rise in the prevalence of
these modes of transportation.

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We also have a community
health and wellness fair.

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This Saturday, September 12,
from 10:00 AM to 1:00 PM,

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cornerstones will be conducting
this with Fairfax County

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at the Herndon
neighborhood Resource

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Center at 1086 Elden street.

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You can get information about
health services and programs

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there.

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Also on Fairfax
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And then something
a little more fun.

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This is a very popular parks and
rec event with puzzle palooza

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on Sunday, September 20.

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I'm sorry.

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No Oh, yeah.

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It's very popular, apparently.

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I don't think I
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put together a 500 piece puzzle
as quickly as these groups can.

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If you would like to
try your hand at that.

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I don't even know if
there's registration

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spots still available,
but check it

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out because it is that popular.

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Sunday, September 20 from 2 to
4:30 at the community center.

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You can get a team
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You work on a 500 piece puzzle.

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You can register
and get information

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on the town's website.

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Town clerk I will ask if
we've received any comments

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for the record or transactional
disclosure declarations

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from council and any items
on the agenda tonight.

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Yes, Mr. mayor, comments were
provided to the town council

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and entered into the record
on discussion item two

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a Herndon Centennial
golf course.

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Hole number 9 protective
netting request, data

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review and mitigation options.

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The clerk did not receive
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or any disclosures
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listed on tonight's agenda.

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Thank you, Mr. mayor.

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Thank you.

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Next on our agenda is a
discussion item about the

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Herndon Centennial golf course.

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Hole number 9 protective
netting request, which

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came in from said emails, data
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for counsel.

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I will recognize Kirsten
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manager for the update on this.

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Thank you.

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Mayor good evening.

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Tonight, I have a
discussion item that came

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about from resident concerns.

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Many of those residents
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regarding the impact
of golf course activity

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on their properties, both from
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well as a quality of life
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to enjoy their property.

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So staff took a
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and we identified some
mitigation strategies that

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might help reduce the impact.

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Though I think we
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no one solution that's
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impact from the golf course.

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So we wanted to
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this evening to have a
conversation around what

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the concerns are and the
research that we did,

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and talk about these mitigation
strategies, because some of them

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do require capital
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will require council direction.

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So let's see this.

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All right.

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So just the we prepared a report
that's included in your packet.

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It has much more detail
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and the mitigation strategies.

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So this is a pretty high level.

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I just kind of wanted to go
over some of the larger things

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to talk through
that should help you

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in making decisions or giving
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on how we want to move
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So I'll give you a little bit of
background on what the resident

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concerns are related
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impacts the data and site
evaluations that we did.

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We identified some near term
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mitigation strategies.

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And then at the end
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like some direction from council
on how we might move forward.

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So to start with how we
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this netting request has been
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starting in 24.

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Residents at 1117 Berwick drive
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property damage in
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not just on their property but
throughout the neighborhood,

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broken windows, vehicles,
and siding damage as a couple

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examples that were included.

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They also provided a resident
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requested a protective
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and at the time, we were just
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and irrigation
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that the tee box renovation
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box to try to reduce directional
directional directional shift

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of the tee box to aim it further
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not just hole number 9.

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All of our tee boxes
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so we're just starting
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that to the residents.

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In May 2025, residents
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attended a town
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requesting protective
netting along hole number 9.

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And at that time, we were just
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And so we advised that
realignment project was nearing

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completion with the idea that
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reduce some of that
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were getting from the course.

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So that project was
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in June 2025, where the
renovation project was done.

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And again, that
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realigned to reduce that
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with adjacent properties.

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Then fast forward to
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I'll note that Dominion did
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removal along the
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did take out quite a
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that was in that area.

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We received a complaint from the
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We met with her on
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again a netting installation
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to take a quick look at
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And at the end of that, we asked
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with the residents,
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a internal
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take a look at what is the issue
and take a more holistic view

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at the request, as
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we could do to try
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So we had that on site
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We had a number of
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I think 17 homes were
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we shared information on
the preliminary information

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that we had at the
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feedback from the residents on
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And from that point, we
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that is included in
your report and schedule

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this for work session.

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So let's talk a little
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and what the data is saying.

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As a piece of
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about 48,000 rounds per year
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And I'll mention 2, I
included in the report

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that we have what's called
a good neighbor program.

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It's not necessarily
insurance, but it's

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through our enterprise fund.

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But the people playing
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are actually responsible
for any damage that they do.

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However, it is very difficult
to identify who those people

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are when the damage does occur.

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So the town provides
this program

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to reimburse reimburse
residents who

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have damage on their
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course, golf course play.

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Horseplay so with that
said, on average we have

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about three claims per year.

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These aren't
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around golf balls on property.

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These are claims
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through the good
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So we have about three a year.

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There are around $1,000 each.

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So annually, we
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to the good neighbor program.

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we've had one claim
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But at the time, and
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since we started tracking
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we have one claim.

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So we wanted to take
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that I've noted here,
there again in more

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detail in the report, but
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at where claims are occurring.

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So what is the cost to the town
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play on the course.

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What were the impacts of
the vegetation removal

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along the course.

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What does the buffer do to
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We wanted to take a look
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of our current buffer.

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On the course, we
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called the cone of safety.

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As it relates to hole
number 9 and where average

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play would go in terms
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the trail and resident safety

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as it relates to active play.

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And we also looked at
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activity and
maintenance activities

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that could be displacing balls.

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We do have
documentation of crows

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removing balls, relocating
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all over adjacent
properties we have.

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So wildlife is
definitely a factor

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in terms of how these balls
might leave the course

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other than the active play.

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So we wanted to take a
holistic look at what's

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actually happening here.

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The vegetation removal was
relatively significant.

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They reduced quite a
bit of natural buffer,

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which I have some photos to
show you in a couple slides.

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We also noted that there's a
gap in the buffer on the course

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around 150 yard
marker at hole 9,

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which is across the trail
between 1117 and 1119.

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So it's kind of right across
within that cone of safety.

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So that is an area of
concern that we saw.

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And the shot geometry, when
we took a look at the shot

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geometry, we were doing
it in terms of what is

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an average golfer going to do.

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And that data showed
us that they would have

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to have quite a
significant deviation

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offline to get it outside
the cone of safety

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onto those adjacent properties.

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And that is I'm
not we never we're

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not saying that it never
happens because never

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is a very strong word.

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Onward, but the
likelihood is very low

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that is what's that
is how the golf

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balls are exiting the course.

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So the data does show
that active play is not

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necessarily the primary source
of what those neighbors are

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experiencing.

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Again, I mentioned the wildlife
and then the trail safety.

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That has been a concern.

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That's been brought
up several times.

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Our look into that is that
yes, there is no records.

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Not saying it can't happen,
but when you look at movement

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on the trail, movement of the
ball and the shot geometry,

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it is a very low
likelihood that there

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is going to be personal injury,
at least along the trail

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due to active play.

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Again, not saying it
can't happen, just saying

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it's a lower probability.

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When did we build the golf
course or when was it opened.

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70s have we ever had.

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I haven't.

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None of the records indicate
that based on what we have.

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So in short, again,
what the data is telling

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us is that a majority of the
golf balls that are being found

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on neighboring
properties are likely

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not the result of active play.

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And I think this context is
relevant as we think about both

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what the town's exposure and
the appropriate mitigation

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strategies that we
can use to try to help

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reduce that impact
on our neighbors.

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All right.

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So just a couple photos.

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These are from the report.

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I wanted to go a little
bit more in depth.

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There's the cone of
safety that I mentioned.

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It is a.

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It is a standard
architectural model

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that is used when developing
golf courses to a lot of times

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it's used around the
perimeter to make sure

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that how the course is
set up is not impacting

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neighboring properties.

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But it essentially follows the
center line and extends 200 Off

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and you can see it kind of lands
somewhere in the easement there

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in that tree line, right across
between one 1119 and 1117.

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And I will note that gap
that I mentioned earlier

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is in that area as well.

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And there is that tree
line is a little thin.

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So I'll just note that it's
the tree line, as you can see,

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is thicker up
toward the tee boxes

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and it thins out the
further you go down.

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And that gap is used by
Dominion to access the utility

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from the golf course.

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So there's some work to be
done with Dominion on that one.

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I also wanted to note, we
did a little bit of a heat

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map to identify where
we're seeing filed claims.

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These aren't complaints
about golf balls.

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These are actual claims
filed through the neighbor

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good neighbor program.

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As you can see, a
lot of our claims

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are up at the Herndon
community center.

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Cars in the parking lot and
then also up on Crestview

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drive near that 7-eleven.

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We have had communications
with a neighbor.

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I think it's hole number 6.

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He's a Fairfax County resident.

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We've had communications
with them,

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and we've also
had communications

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with the Montessori school.

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We actually do have a
netting system over there.

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It's about 100 yards or
sorry, hundreds linear feet.

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So we do have an editing
system over there for that.

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All right.

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And I also wanted to show
a little bit of the impact

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that we're seeing with
the vegetation removal

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along the wnod.

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I know everybody
here probably walks.

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So you don't already know
what I'm talking about,

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but the picture at the
top is Berwick drive.

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One nine 1119 is
over, kind of closest

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to the camera on the left.

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You can see that's the
vegetation from 2022.

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Pretty high.

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Now when you look at the bottom
one, that's the same position.

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In July of 26, quite a reduction
in the amount of buffer

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that was available previously.

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And then in the center there
is we have been in contact

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with Dominion and Nova parks
talking through this issue

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and what we can do.

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And I believe the neighbor at
1119 is also in communication.

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But they have a
replanting plan to plant.

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Quite a number of trees
in that general area

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is a little bit on the slope.

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They did plant it.

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None of it survived.

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So they are going to come
back and replant all of that

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this fall.

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But that is the
level of replanting

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that we're aware of
right now that Dominion

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is going to be doing.

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And then on the right,
you'll see that's the gap

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I was talking about.

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That's a picture.

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It's near the 150 yard
line on hole number 9.

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But again, it's right there
in that cone of safety

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right across from 1117 1119.

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But that's where
Dominion access is.

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Was there always a step or
was there vegetation before.

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I think there's always been a
gap based on my conversation

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with Mike, the golf manager.

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That's how Dominion gets.

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We'd have to have some
conversation with them

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about that.

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So let's talk a little bit about
a couple different mitigation

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strategies.

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These are some short and
mid-term things that we can do.

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They don't necessarily
have immediate impact

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but they'll have a
longer term impact.

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One of those is the Dominion
replanting along the road.

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We are aware that they
are coming back this fall,

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at the end of this month,
to do more invasive spraying

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along the wnod corridor.

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We staff is
communicating with them

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on what the replanting plan is.

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We don't have that information
other than that one

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section behind 1119
that we do know

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that they're going to be doing.

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So I think so we want
to continue to work

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with Dominion and Nova parks.

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We have a really good
relationship with Nova parks.

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They are very amenable to
plantings and vegetation

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and beautification
along the corridor.

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So assuming whatever we
do has to be in accordance

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with Dominion and their
transmission lines,

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but they're very
more open, I think,

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than they have been
in the past to doing

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some improvements along there.

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The town can choose to add
some additional vegetation

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along that corridor behind
Berwick drive residences.

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We could basically replicate
what they're doing behind

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1119 and extend that
beyond is around

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27 to $30,000 to get down to.

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I want to say it's 1113,
but essentially, it's about

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$10,000 per property.

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If we wanted to do
plantings, basically

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replicate the plantings
that are going by 1119.

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I put fall, I'm not sure if
we'll be able to do fall,

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really just depends on
council direction and timing

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and what we're
able to accomplish.

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Fall is obviously
the best time to do

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it because you have plantings in
the spring, they didn't survive.

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So we also want to look at
closing that vegetation gap

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at the 150 yard marker.

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There might be balls that
are exiting through that.

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It's pretty clear.

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And that goes along
with number four

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there where there's some
opportunity to add to our tree

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line there, especially where
it got a little thinner further

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down as some vegetation to
help create more of a buffer

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in that general area.

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That's around 6,000 to
$15,000, depending on how

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many trees size of the trees.

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We can, depending
on how much we can

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do, more or less,
depending on how much

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we want to do in that area.

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And then we also talked
internally about course signage.

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There's very little
communication

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about the golfers responsibility
for damage on the course.

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And so our communications team
has been working with our golf

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team to come up with
signage for that location,

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as well as communicate
that out and basically

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say there are neighbors,
be mindful of that

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as you're playing the course.

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That is an operational thing.

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We will likely just do that.

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I don't that's easily
enough to be implemented.

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All of these things,
other than the signage,

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are going to take time to
grow and be beneficial.

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So I recognize that while
we can take some action now,

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the benefit of that is going
to take some time to develop.

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So just give you.

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So I talked about the
signage, just to give you

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an idea of where we're
talking about putting signage,

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the language we're
talking about using.

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And then this is showing the
kind of just a really quick what

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they're planting behind 1119
and then replicating that along

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the 30,000 that I mentioned.

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Yeah it gets to I
think that's 1113.

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So if you want to if the
council wants to go beyond that,

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it's another 10,000 per.

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And again, this is
kind of on the slope.

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It kind of slopes down.

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So it's not like
right on the trail

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but just kind of
on the edge there.

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So then let's talk about
the netting solution,

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which was a specific
request from the residents.

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And so we wanted to make
sure we take a look at this

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and see what makes the
most sense in this area.

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So again, while the data is not
really saying that active tee

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shots are what is active
play is what is exiting

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is not the main source.

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It is likely happening
to some level.

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It's going through the
tree line and impacting

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the impacting the residents.

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So a couple key points
I wanted to point out

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was the existing tree canopy
in that area is around 75.

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The 60 foot netting that we're
including, as in there would be

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shorter than portions of that.

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So again, the netting is
really for going through,

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not over not over
the tree canopy.

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If we were to
increase it to 80 feet

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would be just above
that tree line.

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Anything over 60 feet is going
to require significant amount

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of engineering, which increases
that price to around 1.2

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to $1.3 million.

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So same distance, 450
linear feet at feet, goes

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from 146,000 to 1.2 million.

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And then again, no
netting solution is going

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to eliminate all errant balls.

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But we do believe that
the 450 linear feet.

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Will cover.

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Most active T shots that
are coming where they land

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is likely to catch
most of those because I

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mean you have to have a strong
drive to even get that distance.

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00:24:42,290 --> 00:24:43,930
Yeah I mean, it can happen.

505
00:24:43,930 --> 00:24:47,790
And we talked a lot too, about
advancements in technology

506
00:24:47,790 --> 00:24:49,870
with clubs and balls,
and they're going farther

507
00:24:49,870 --> 00:24:52,230
and they're going higher,
which is why we were talking

508
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:55,390
to the contractor about
80 feet, because feet

509
00:24:55,390 --> 00:24:56,910
used to be the standard.

510
00:24:56,910 --> 00:24:58,510
Now it's really feet.

511
00:24:58,510 --> 00:25:03,230
So it's a question of yeah,
we were trying to figure out

512
00:25:03,230 --> 00:25:04,770
what the minimum solution is.

513
00:25:04,770 --> 00:25:07,110
That would have the
greatest impact.

514
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:09,410
That made the most sense
in terms of meeting,

515
00:25:09,410 --> 00:25:11,190
meeting that need.

516
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:13,870
And I will say these
are really rough costs.

517
00:25:13,870 --> 00:25:16,163
Assume they are going to be
including the vegetation.

518
00:25:16,163 --> 00:25:18,230
We were trying to get real rough
numbers so that we could have

519
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:20,510
this conversation
and get direction,

520
00:25:20,510 --> 00:25:25,030
but it's likely going to
be much more than this.

521
00:25:25,030 --> 00:25:31,170
I would imagine the I would
imagine more of the vegetation

522
00:25:31,170 --> 00:25:34,010
and the fencing is probably
going to if you do a combination

523
00:25:34,010 --> 00:25:36,490
around 250, it would
be my guess is probably

524
00:25:36,490 --> 00:25:39,030
more realistic depending.

525
00:25:39,030 --> 00:25:42,810
So really rough numbers
just to make sure we're

526
00:25:42,810 --> 00:25:43,510
all aware of that.

527
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:46,130
Can you explain the engineering
part while you're here.

528
00:25:46,130 --> 00:25:48,630
If the feet I'll do my best.

529
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:53,450
So I had assistance in this,
but because of wind shear,

530
00:25:53,450 --> 00:25:59,010
all of that and you have to go
deeper and there's different.

531
00:25:59,010 --> 00:26:00,070
Poles yeah.

532
00:26:00,070 --> 00:26:03,650
Poles and it's just it's a
different level of engineering

533
00:26:03,650 --> 00:26:06,250
that's required for that
same netting or different

534
00:26:06,250 --> 00:26:09,630
netting for the material.

535
00:26:09,630 --> 00:26:11,350
And I'm not sure I
didn't go that deep.

536
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:17,370
All I know is that it is
escalated significantly because

537
00:26:17,370 --> 00:26:19,770
of the height, and I don't
even know if Dominion would

538
00:26:19,770 --> 00:26:21,500
be OK with feet right there.

539
00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:25,400
That's another conversation
to be had now because it's not

540
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:26,900
underneath it, but it's close.

541
00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:30,400
So we again, this would have to
be a conversation with Dominion

542
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,680
on what their comfort
level is with netting

543
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:34,787
in that general area.

544
00:26:34,787 --> 00:26:36,120
It's not in their
easement we're talking

545
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:39,360
about on the course
property, but feet of pole

546
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,020
could hit maybe I don't know.

547
00:26:41,020 --> 00:26:44,080


548
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,440
So with that said, I
wanted to give you an idea

549
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,580
of what we're talking about.

550
00:26:48,580 --> 00:26:49,780
So we kind started here.

551
00:26:49,780 --> 00:26:51,820
Again, this is kind of based
off the cone of safety,

552
00:26:51,820 --> 00:26:57,560
where the shot geometry is and
what we think the best what

553
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,160
is going to catch
most of the shots that

554
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,760
would the errant
shots that would exit.

555
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,000
And so this is 450.

556
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:13,880
And when we quoted between
350 which is here and 450,

557
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,420
it's not a huge
price difference.

558
00:27:16,420 --> 00:27:20,140
So it probably makes
sense to go to the 450.

559
00:27:20,140 --> 00:27:23,900
If the netting solution
is the direction we go.

560
00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:26,060
At the community meeting,
we've gotten some feedback

561
00:27:26,060 --> 00:27:30,020
about concerns about not
going the full distance

562
00:27:30,020 --> 00:27:32,120
and whether these properties
would be protected.

563
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:35,980
Again, because of the shot
geometry and the safety,

564
00:27:35,980 --> 00:27:39,100
majority of errant shots that
are going through the tree line

565
00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:40,960
will likely be caught by this.

566
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,940
But if council did want to go,
the full is around $250,000

567
00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:48,660
or so at the 60 foot
height, and again,

568
00:27:48,660 --> 00:27:52,160
450 at feet is going to
be around 1.2 million,

569
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,180
just because of all the
engineering requirements that

570
00:27:54,180 --> 00:27:55,480
are going to be needed there.

571
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,140


572
00:27:58,140 --> 00:28:02,520
So with that said, with those, I
did a real high level briefing.

573
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,860
Again, there's quite more
information in detail

574
00:28:06,860 --> 00:28:10,340
in the report, but
I wanted to give you

575
00:28:10,340 --> 00:28:12,460
two options to think
about, one being vegetation

576
00:28:12,460 --> 00:28:15,780
signage and master plan.

577
00:28:15,780 --> 00:28:18,450
Adding some canopy
and evergreen trees

578
00:28:18,450 --> 00:28:20,770
to the golf course
side of things,

579
00:28:20,770 --> 00:28:23,130
filling that gap
where that exists.

580
00:28:23,130 --> 00:28:24,890
Talking to Dominion
and Nova parks

581
00:28:24,890 --> 00:28:26,410
about how we can
supplement further

582
00:28:26,410 --> 00:28:29,370
to create more of a barrier
of vegetation barrier.

583
00:28:29,370 --> 00:28:32,050
Again, these are we
can put them in now,

584
00:28:32,050 --> 00:28:36,650
but it's going to take some
time to get the full impact

585
00:28:36,650 --> 00:28:38,430
from that signage.

586
00:28:38,430 --> 00:28:41,170
We can do that
relatively quickly.

587
00:28:41,170 --> 00:28:45,250
We are starting a
master planning effort,

588
00:28:45,250 --> 00:28:46,730
and I mentioned
earlier that we had

589
00:28:46,730 --> 00:28:49,970
some conversations with
some of our neighbors,

590
00:28:49,970 --> 00:28:53,270
and we have higher
incidences of.

591
00:28:53,270 --> 00:28:57,090


592
00:28:57,090 --> 00:29:01,890
Impacts at on other
areas like Crestview

593
00:29:01,890 --> 00:29:05,050
and the community center.

594
00:29:05,050 --> 00:29:08,210
And so the thought
would be to include this

595
00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:11,210
as part of a larger
master planning effort

596
00:29:11,210 --> 00:29:14,210
to take a look at the course's
impact on neighboring properties

597
00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:17,490
and where do we need to
realign tee boxes again.

598
00:29:17,490 --> 00:29:19,470
Do we need to shift
our course more.

599
00:29:19,470 --> 00:29:22,770
As we look at a more
comprehensive level,

600
00:29:22,770 --> 00:29:25,830
as opposed to a case by case,
which is currently what we're

601
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:28,910
doing, not just with this,
but also the resident that we

602
00:29:28,910 --> 00:29:30,290
had in the Montessori school.

603
00:29:30,290 --> 00:29:33,230
We're kind of dealing with
them on a case by case basis.

604
00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:37,470
So the idea would be to do
vegetation, do some things now

605
00:29:37,470 --> 00:29:41,310
and partnership, but look
at this more holistically

606
00:29:41,310 --> 00:29:44,210
about what we can do in the
master planning process,

607
00:29:44,210 --> 00:29:46,590
and then just continue to be
engaged with the residents

608
00:29:46,590 --> 00:29:49,670
there after we put the
vegetation, see how it's going.

609
00:29:49,670 --> 00:29:53,690
We have very little
data from that area.

610
00:29:53,690 --> 00:29:55,550
So keeping that
communication and finding

611
00:29:55,550 --> 00:29:57,290
out what they're experiencing.

612
00:29:57,290 --> 00:29:59,690
So that cost is around
33 to 45, again,

613
00:29:59,690 --> 00:30:02,310
depending on how much vegetation
we want to do, at least

614
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:04,110
from the town's perspective.

615
00:30:04,110 --> 00:30:05,610
The sign is operational.

616
00:30:05,610 --> 00:30:10,790
And then we have the master plan
funded in the CIP for this year.

617
00:30:10,790 --> 00:30:15,820
Again, the timing is just
dependent on the weather

618
00:30:15,820 --> 00:30:17,860
and how we move on this.

619
00:30:17,860 --> 00:30:23,220
Option 2 includes the signage
and vegetation from option one.

620
00:30:23,220 --> 00:30:25,780
As well as the minimum netting
system, which we're saying

621
00:30:25,780 --> 00:30:29,780
is 450 linear feet
at 60 feet in height.

622
00:30:29,780 --> 00:30:34,900
We do think this is likely
the minimum span that would be

623
00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:39,180
needed to address the highest
probability corridor there

624
00:30:39,180 --> 00:30:40,380
for any balls that
might be leaving

625
00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:43,940
the course through active play.

626
00:30:43,940 --> 00:30:46,480
Again, just mentioning
the 75 foot canopy.

627
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,280
So it's not going to
catch things going over.

628
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,380
It's going to catch
things going through.

629
00:30:50,380 --> 00:30:53,660
And again, maintaining that
relationship with the residents

630
00:30:53,660 --> 00:30:58,860
and continuing to track and see
how it's going that cost with

631
00:30:58,860 --> 00:31:00,900
the vegetation and the
netting is somewhere

632
00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:04,060
between 180 and 200,000.

633
00:31:04,060 --> 00:31:07,080
This would require either if
we wanted to do it this year,

634
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,460
we'd need a budget
Amendment for FY 28,

635
00:31:09,460 --> 00:31:12,080
or it could be a
future CIP request.

636
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,440
And I'll note all
of this would come

637
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,760
out of the golf
course enterprise

638
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,420
fund, not the general fund.

639
00:31:17,420 --> 00:31:20,680
So just as a piece
of information.

640
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,360
So I will stop there and I'm
happy to answer any questions.

641
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:26,340
Questions from council.

642
00:31:26,340 --> 00:31:27,100
Yes, sir.

643
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:28,100
Thank you, Mr. mayor.

644
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:31,120
And thank you for that update.

645
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,040
So does that mean
I'm trying to avoid

646
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:42,120
the budget special request is
bonding out of the possible ones

647
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,580
here for that amount.

648
00:31:43,580 --> 00:31:44,380
For that cost.

649
00:31:44,380 --> 00:31:48,240
Yeah it wouldn't make sense to.

650
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,060
Well, how about we do this
because I looked at this.

651
00:31:51,060 --> 00:31:53,880
I mean, look, if we're going
to do is we should do it.

652
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,320
Well, the one point
I think the most I'm

653
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,840
not talking about
the 1.2 mill option,

654
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,440
I'm talking about the 750.

655
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,520
If you look at well, first of
all, let's go back to slide 7.

656
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,000
So I was with you.

657
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,030
In combining I had combined.

658
00:32:15,030 --> 00:32:17,790
See, number one is
never going to happen.

659
00:32:17,790 --> 00:32:21,030
I don't think we
look at, for Dominion

660
00:32:21,030 --> 00:32:24,690
to entertain any additional
cost burden for our residents.

661
00:32:24,690 --> 00:32:26,910
That's just my personal opinion.

662
00:32:26,910 --> 00:32:34,590
But if we're combining 2,
4 and 5 and then slide 9,

663
00:32:34,590 --> 00:32:37,770
we go to option on the full.

664
00:32:37,770 --> 00:32:42,670
If I'm reading that
full 700 foot span,

665
00:32:42,670 --> 00:32:48,110
does that amount and then make
it more amenable to a bond

666
00:32:48,110 --> 00:32:50,390
versus no, it's
actually probably too

667
00:32:50,390 --> 00:32:53,470
small to include into a bond.

668
00:32:53,470 --> 00:32:59,870
If it was, we wouldn't go
out for an amount that small.

669
00:32:59,870 --> 00:33:05,730
We could go out for something
larger would make more sense.

670
00:33:05,730 --> 00:33:09,630
But I think the big question
there is the effectiveness

671
00:33:09,630 --> 00:33:11,840
of 60 versus feet.

672
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:17,900
Kirsten kind of referenced the
fact that 60 might help a few

673
00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:20,180
of the already small number.

674
00:33:20,180 --> 00:33:25,220
80 is what the standard would
be for especially for homes

675
00:33:25,220 --> 00:33:27,860
this far away from
the golf course.

676
00:33:27,860 --> 00:33:29,800
80 is probably the bare minimum.

677
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,820
We need to have some degree
of effect on the already small

678
00:33:34,820 --> 00:33:39,780
number of balls that are
entering that way due to play,

679
00:33:39,780 --> 00:33:41,740
and you can't
really do 60 and see

680
00:33:41,740 --> 00:33:45,340
what happens, because it's
still going to cost you to read

681
00:33:45,340 --> 00:33:47,940
the whole thing, to do it all.

682
00:33:47,940 --> 00:33:49,440
Yeah well, exactly.

683
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:56,380
But then I think the cost
benefit of 1.25 million versus

684
00:33:56,380 --> 00:34:00,580
just the paying for
the five claims we get

685
00:34:00,580 --> 00:34:04,100
each year at about $1,000 each.

686
00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:07,000
It's a taxpayer
question, of course,

687
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:12,480
that council's unfortunately
equate this again to tax

688
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:17,159
rate 1.2 million.

689
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:21,540
Well, it's about a penny
for the 250 option.

690
00:34:21,540 --> 00:34:26,219
I believe it's about two
5,250 penny on the road.

691
00:34:26,219 --> 00:34:28,699
That's about four or
five pennies in tax.

692
00:34:28,699 --> 00:34:30,540
I know in this case, it's
coming from golf course.

693
00:34:30,540 --> 00:34:32,560
But just to equate
it in our minds,

694
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,000
if it was coming from tax rate,
that's about a penny on the tax

695
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,480
rate and maintenance.

696
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,800
Even if we borrowed for the
1.2, you're going to pay

697
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,940
debt service of about a penny.

698
00:34:44,940 --> 00:34:48,360


699
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,960
And quite a penny.

700
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:50,820
I'll mention two.

701
00:34:50,820 --> 00:34:53,199
I mean half a penny every year.

702
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:54,300
Well I'm sorry.

703
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:55,440
Continue your thought.

704
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,460
So that's why I wanted
to have that discussion,

705
00:34:58,460 --> 00:35:04,600
because most people, it's
more palatable to have.

706
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,260
They can understand half
a penny of debt services.

707
00:35:07,260 --> 00:35:12,070
Choices We just cut
spring fall trash pickup

708
00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:14,950
because we couldn't find a
couple hundred thousand dollars.

709
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:16,910
So that's why I think.

710
00:35:16,910 --> 00:35:18,510
Sorry, this is just me, guys.

711
00:35:18,510 --> 00:35:19,510
Yeah please.

712
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:22,010
I think it would make more
sense for me to address.

713
00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:25,590
And by the way,
I put this under,

714
00:35:25,590 --> 00:35:33,450
if we go the strategic plan
under good governance, right.

715
00:35:33,450 --> 00:35:35,470
Let me just read it because
I was reading here's

716
00:35:35,470 --> 00:35:37,470
the justification, right.

717
00:35:37,470 --> 00:35:39,790
Heritage government provides
effective and efficient

718
00:35:39,790 --> 00:35:42,750
community centered services
and programs that are focused

719
00:35:42,750 --> 00:35:44,670
on improving quality of life.

720
00:35:44,670 --> 00:35:46,370
This is clearly one
of those things.

721
00:35:46,370 --> 00:35:49,510
So it aligns with
our strategic vision.

722
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:54,950
It aligns with good governance,
and half a penny is more

723
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:57,430
palatable for a lot of people.

724
00:35:57,430 --> 00:36:01,470
You'll get people well,
you're raising a penny

725
00:36:01,470 --> 00:36:06,770
or a penny half, do this,
do that, I think that.

726
00:36:06,770 --> 00:36:09,410
And plus we have
triple-a bond rating.

727
00:36:09,410 --> 00:36:10,730
I mean, just.

728
00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:15,210
So yeah, I mean, again, it's
just a matter of crunching

729
00:36:15,210 --> 00:36:20,170
the numbers a bit as to what
good governance would cost

730
00:36:20,170 --> 00:36:23,070
relative to the actual impact.

731
00:36:23,070 --> 00:36:27,930
So even if we quadrupled
the number of claims

732
00:36:27,930 --> 00:36:31,850
that we were getting
for damage, we

733
00:36:31,850 --> 00:36:37,750
get about a year, roughly
three a year in 50 years.

734
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:39,450
We've never had an
incident of somebody

735
00:36:39,450 --> 00:36:45,610
being I get that, I get that,
but there's a human element.

736
00:36:45,610 --> 00:36:49,710
So if you live there, I'm
sure you talk to the folks.

737
00:36:49,710 --> 00:36:54,010
It's a different
quality of life issue.

738
00:36:54,010 --> 00:36:54,510
It is.

739
00:36:54,510 --> 00:36:56,790
That's why we're
putting it at your feet.

740
00:36:56,790 --> 00:37:01,850
Because it's a policy
decision that staff

741
00:37:01,850 --> 00:37:05,160
are not going to make
because it doesn't pencil out

742
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,160
to the actual damage or risk.

743
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:13,840
If we've got an issue that's
generating a handful of claims

744
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:19,440
a year, a $1.2
milliosmole solution,

745
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:25,280
we won't get to $1.2
million of taxpayer funds

746
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,340
for the life of the golf
course, like we pay out.

747
00:37:29,340 --> 00:37:32,860
We have so few
claims for this now.

748
00:37:32,860 --> 00:37:34,080
Claims are damaged.

749
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,080
Not just hey, I found
a ball in my yard.

750
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,540
If someone's got a
ball in their yard,

751
00:37:38,540 --> 00:37:41,620
it's not damage that's going
to happen from time to time,

752
00:37:41,620 --> 00:37:45,320
but actual instances
where it has caused damage

753
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,720
are very small.

754
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:51,380
Has anyone ever been hurt
by one of these before.

755
00:37:51,380 --> 00:37:53,100
Not in 50 years of
that golf course.

756
00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:55,520
There's no record of that.

757
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,040
Plus, millions of people live
on or around golf courses

758
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,820
and pay a premium to do
that all over the world.

759
00:38:02,820 --> 00:38:05,740
No one's getting
hurt by these things.

760
00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:07,180
I got hit by a baseball.

761
00:38:07,180 --> 00:38:11,420
You got about a 1 Q&A if you are
in or around living near a golf

762
00:38:11,420 --> 00:38:13,060
course, I think the
stat is you've got

763
00:38:13,060 --> 00:38:19,220
about a one in 250,000 chance
of getting hit by a hurricane.

764
00:38:19,220 --> 00:38:21,880
Jesus I not saying
it can't happen.

765
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,520
No one still means
there's a chance.

766
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:24,120
Of course.

767
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,980
And most of the research that
I found on golf course injuries

768
00:38:26,980 --> 00:38:29,940
was on the golf course,
like through play.

769
00:38:29,940 --> 00:38:32,900
I mean, they put
netting on baseball

770
00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:34,600
stands for the fan experience.

771
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,260
If you're saying
like near the dugout.

772
00:38:36,260 --> 00:38:40,460
I haven't seen more like I could
only think of Wrigley Field

773
00:38:40,460 --> 00:38:44,820
where they just like, let it
the balls travel out the stadium

774
00:38:44,820 --> 00:38:46,780
the few chances that it does.

775
00:38:46,780 --> 00:38:49,420
But again, I think
about the safety.

776
00:38:49,420 --> 00:38:52,220
I mean, they put up
safety for a reason

777
00:38:52,220 --> 00:38:54,580
so people won't get
hit with baseballs.

778
00:38:54,580 --> 00:38:58,380
I don't it could be,
someone hits a golf ball

779
00:38:58,380 --> 00:39:00,320
and hits one of these poor
residents in the head,

780
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,770
and now we have a
serious issue now.

781
00:39:03,770 --> 00:39:05,810
Yes if it ever happened.

782
00:39:05,810 --> 00:39:06,310
If it.

783
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:08,070
Yes I'm just saying,
hypothetically speaking,

784
00:39:08,070 --> 00:39:10,850
I would say I've not
heard of any story.

785
00:39:10,850 --> 00:39:13,590
That's why I mentioned
somebody getting killed.

786
00:39:13,590 --> 00:39:17,490
I mean, I think that's why
I mentioned that we can't

787
00:39:17,490 --> 00:39:21,570
eliminate even if we put
a NetApp, that could still

788
00:39:21,570 --> 00:39:25,290
that probability still exists,
that a golf ball can exit

789
00:39:25,290 --> 00:39:28,610
the course and hit somebody.

790
00:39:28,610 --> 00:39:35,450
But yeah, and even putting a
NetApp is not going to eliminate

791
00:39:35,450 --> 00:39:39,450
golf balls ending up in
the residents property

792
00:39:39,450 --> 00:39:43,490
because there are other things
happening like the wildlife is

793
00:39:43,490 --> 00:39:46,010
real thing that is moving.

794
00:39:46,010 --> 00:39:47,290
But I have a question.

795
00:39:47,290 --> 00:39:49,750
So in your slide, you said
that it was like one claim,

796
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:51,830
but in our email
that we received,

797
00:39:51,830 --> 00:39:54,210
it seems like there
was like two instances

798
00:39:54,210 --> 00:39:58,510
already where people had
their windows broken.

799
00:39:58,510 --> 00:40:00,370
We haven't gotten
a claim submitted.

800
00:40:00,370 --> 00:40:03,350
We've provided the
information, but there's

801
00:40:03,350 --> 00:40:05,570
no claims submitted to them.

802
00:40:05,570 --> 00:40:06,090
So go ahead.

803
00:40:06,090 --> 00:40:06,950
No go ahead.

804
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:08,110
No yeah.

805
00:40:08,110 --> 00:40:11,390
There are.

806
00:40:11,390 --> 00:40:15,270
We know of we do have the one
pending claim that's recent.

807
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:19,910
And we do have one
from Crestview,

808
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:22,210
which was a legitimate claim.

809
00:40:22,210 --> 00:40:24,950
That's the recent 1 over 5.

810
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:26,670
I don't know that one.

811
00:40:26,670 --> 00:40:28,430
The guy who talked to his house.

812
00:40:28,430 --> 00:40:29,610
Oh, that's hole six.

813
00:40:29,610 --> 00:40:30,150
Yeah hole six.

814
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:30,650
I'm sorry.

815
00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:31,350
That's right.

816
00:40:31,350 --> 00:40:34,750
So they do happen
from time to time.

817
00:40:34,750 --> 00:40:35,730
We pay for that.

818
00:40:35,730 --> 00:40:38,110
We cover all the costs
associated with if someone's

819
00:40:38,110 --> 00:40:40,230
window, because that does
happen in the parking lot of

820
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:43,030
the community center regularly.

821
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:45,430
Yeah and when I say
regularly, it's.

822
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:47,490
And we're working off
the information we have.

823
00:40:47,490 --> 00:40:49,230
I mean, I think you hit
the nail on the head

824
00:40:49,230 --> 00:40:51,070
talking about quality of life.

825
00:40:51,070 --> 00:40:53,730
They are experiencing golf
balls in their property.

826
00:40:53,730 --> 00:40:54,890
No doubt about that.

827
00:40:54,890 --> 00:40:56,150
It is happening.

828
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:57,450
How they get there.

829
00:40:57,450 --> 00:40:59,800
That's where we're unsure.

830
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,580
And the damaged part.

831
00:41:02,580 --> 00:41:04,980
When you're talking
about the investment

832
00:41:04,980 --> 00:41:10,140
on the course for this issue
in terms of the people using

833
00:41:10,140 --> 00:41:14,580
the trail and the 10 or so homes
specifically along the trail

834
00:41:14,580 --> 00:41:17,980
there, you have to that's what
we're looking at, which is why

835
00:41:17,980 --> 00:41:20,620
we're bringing it is so it's
a balance of stewardship

836
00:41:20,620 --> 00:41:23,180
and governance and community.

837
00:41:23,180 --> 00:41:26,580
I mean, we want to be responsive
to the residents, which

838
00:41:26,580 --> 00:41:29,940
is why we're trying to come
up with some lower cost things

839
00:41:29,940 --> 00:41:32,900
that we can get in faster.

840
00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:34,480
You mentioned the tee boxes.

841
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,260
Have we also in
particular this hole.

842
00:41:37,260 --> 00:41:41,900
The hole is usually right.

843
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:44,740
Go back to if you don't
mind the picture of the.

844
00:41:44,740 --> 00:41:47,580
So the flag and the
hole are usually more

845
00:41:47,580 --> 00:41:50,380
on the side towards the wnod.

846
00:41:50,380 --> 00:41:54,840
Have we thought
about shifting that.

847
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:55,540
Yeah go.

848
00:41:55,540 --> 00:41:56,600
Oh no.

849
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,480
Nope yeah.

850
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,420
You're right, I'm sorry.

851
00:41:58,420 --> 00:41:59,560
Well, the boxes are here.

852
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:00,500
Like this is the.

853
00:42:00,500 --> 00:42:01,780
Yeah, that's the tee box.

854
00:42:01,780 --> 00:42:03,720
And we shifted the
tee boxes a little

855
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:07,920
bit to point go to the green.

856
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:08,800
Sorry the.

857
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:13,100
Yeah so have we thought
about shifting that over.

858
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:14,300
So not only the tee box.

859
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:16,800
But then we direct the golfer.

860
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,040
And again it's never going to
completely stop because you

861
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,260
can have a crazy person.

862
00:42:20,260 --> 00:42:23,460
But that's why I play
master planning effort.

863
00:42:23,460 --> 00:42:28,200
I mean there's funding that
could be used to install

864
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:33,220
a netting solution, but if
that's not necessarily 1.2

865
00:42:33,220 --> 00:42:38,440
million, but the golf plan,
the master planning effort is

866
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,840
to look at the whole
course and what

867
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,300
we want to do with the course
and how it should be aligned.

868
00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:46,620
And that's why in
that suggestion,

869
00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:49,140
we're talking about
looking holistically at it,

870
00:42:49,140 --> 00:42:52,840
because the gentleman on hole 6
also wants a netting solution.

871
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,990
We have a netting solution over
were already at Montessori.

872
00:42:56,990 --> 00:42:59,010
That one's only feet tall.

873
00:42:59,010 --> 00:42:59,650
So it was.

874
00:42:59,650 --> 00:43:01,130
It's only 100 linear feet.

875
00:43:01,130 --> 00:43:01,770
Feet tall.

876
00:43:01,770 --> 00:43:04,750
So it was a relatively low cost.

877
00:43:04,750 --> 00:43:07,230
But that's been there
like 20 years, I think.

878
00:43:07,230 --> 00:43:10,430
But that was the idea,
was looking at the course

879
00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:15,350
and seeing if there's more
realignment to help alleviate

880
00:43:15,350 --> 00:43:17,830
some of this interaction.

881
00:43:17,830 --> 00:43:19,910
Yeah That's longer term.

882
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:22,630
So again, that's the balance.

883
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:25,870
They've been dealing with
this for quite a while.

884
00:43:25,870 --> 00:43:29,290
I don't think that's a
bad long term solution.

885
00:43:29,290 --> 00:43:32,710
But I mean, you're
talking about remapping

886
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:35,790
re-engineering basically
a larger effort for sure.

887
00:43:35,790 --> 00:43:38,450
Are there any other vendors
that you guys looked at into,

888
00:43:38,450 --> 00:43:39,810
like for nets and
stuff like that,

889
00:43:39,810 --> 00:43:41,650
or is this just
one specific one.

890
00:43:41,650 --> 00:43:42,890
No, we had a few.

891
00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:45,810
It's and it's not hard
to get those numbers.

892
00:43:45,810 --> 00:43:49,630
Mike Miller out of the golf
course has his association.

893
00:43:49,630 --> 00:43:52,130
All of the golf courses
municipal golf courses.

894
00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:54,990
They have I think there's
an association for them.

895
00:43:54,990 --> 00:43:58,090
In fact, they all share
information and data that's

896
00:43:58,090 --> 00:43:59,390
about to go and price for it.

897
00:43:59,390 --> 00:44:03,250
And again, those nets, you see,
let's say around a Top Golf

898
00:44:03,250 --> 00:44:05,330
or whatever out by the highway.

899
00:44:05,330 --> 00:44:08,130
Those I mean that's
millions of dollars

900
00:44:08,130 --> 00:44:11,710
worth of netting because it's
got to be wind rated engineered.

901
00:44:11,710 --> 00:44:13,963
You got to go down super deep.

902
00:44:13,963 --> 00:44:15,330
And if we were to move
forward, we'd have

903
00:44:15,330 --> 00:44:16,870
to do an RFP process anyway.

904
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:20,450
And do a purchase
through purchasing.

905
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:24,850
And we can assume that these
nets can guarantee to protect

906
00:44:24,850 --> 00:44:26,610
the ball if it goes through it.

907
00:44:26,610 --> 00:44:31,570
Correct it's just that it's
over that it becomes a problem.

908
00:44:31,570 --> 00:44:33,970
We at 60 feet, you're
probably going to could

909
00:44:33,970 --> 00:44:35,550
still get some that go over it.

910
00:44:35,550 --> 00:44:37,730
So I couldn't say it
would be definitely

911
00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:39,250
help with the
completely affected

912
00:44:39,250 --> 00:44:41,350
if it were to hit the
net and hit the net.

913
00:44:41,350 --> 00:44:42,550
The net should stop it.

914
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:43,370
Yeah for sure.

915
00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:44,850
That's what I'm
thinking here, is

916
00:44:44,850 --> 00:44:47,990
that if we go with the
Bush treaty option,

917
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:49,710
that it wouldn't necessarily.

918
00:44:49,710 --> 00:44:51,770
It'll take time.

919
00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:52,820
It will it'll take some time.

920
00:44:52,820 --> 00:44:56,200
Yeah, it would take definitely
a little bit of time there.

921
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,580
And then the trees would grow.

922
00:44:57,580 --> 00:44:58,140
So yeah.

923
00:44:58,140 --> 00:44:59,140
Yeah that's what I mean.

924
00:44:59,140 --> 00:45:02,360
It's not an immediate
thing, but I

925
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:03,600
did want to mention
on the netting

926
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,707
it's about 10 to 15 years.

927
00:45:05,707 --> 00:45:07,240
And there probably have
to be some replacement

928
00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:12,000
just as a maintenance piece
of maintenance information.

929
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:12,940
Probably just the netting.

930
00:45:12,940 --> 00:45:14,860
Not necessarily stay
within the general fund,

931
00:45:14,860 --> 00:45:17,320
never in the operating
in the office.

932
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,760
We would try to make this.

933
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,860
The golf course covers the cost.

934
00:45:20,860 --> 00:45:24,560
So we would try to use the
reserves of the golf course

935
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,840
or yeah, future revenues.

936
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,200
If we do a 50 year I'm sorry.

937
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,800
If we do the master
plan, that's a master

938
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,960
plan to look out over the course
of a few decades of these.

939
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,160
This is the kind
of thing that would

940
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,720
be discussed in the course of
that as a major infrastructure

941
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:42,760
improvement.

942
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,640
Yes and I know we already,
at the golf course

943
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:49,960
have significant needs
related to the clubhouse

944
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,300
and in the cart.

945
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:52,660
The cart barn.

946
00:45:52,660 --> 00:45:56,500
So it's very possible
that we may at some point

947
00:45:56,500 --> 00:45:59,020
end up bonding for
all of those things,

948
00:45:59,020 --> 00:46:00,940
but we'd be bonding
against the revenue

949
00:46:00,940 --> 00:46:02,640
that comes off the golf course.

950
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,220
So it wouldn't impact
our general fund.

951
00:46:04,220 --> 00:46:08,620
But it's not an
enterprise fund expense.

952
00:46:08,620 --> 00:46:10,580
Yeah, it still is.

953
00:46:10,580 --> 00:46:13,340
But the debt service,
the debt service

954
00:46:13,340 --> 00:46:14,980
is paid for by the enterprise.

955
00:46:14,980 --> 00:46:16,460
OK yeah.

956
00:46:16,460 --> 00:46:17,760
But we could still bond.

957
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:18,540
Yeah, yeah.

958
00:46:18,540 --> 00:46:20,100
Bond enterprise funds.

959
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:24,900
Yeah we've got our credit limit
to not we don't go above to.

960
00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:28,500
So we don't threaten our
triple-a golf course has I don't

961
00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:30,160
it's not rated like we are.

962
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,060
But it would basically
we would go out

963
00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:34,980
and borrow money
based on the revenue

964
00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:36,000
coming off the golf course.

965
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,280
So it doesn't hit against
our debt capacity.

966
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,320
And it could depending
on where we go.

967
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,820
I mean, it could impact
user fee rates depending

968
00:46:42,820 --> 00:46:44,840
on what solution we do.

969
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,250
And like I said, the areas that
we have high incidence of claims

970
00:46:49,250 --> 00:46:51,230
is up here and down here.

971
00:46:51,230 --> 00:46:55,530
We've added trees along here to
try to do something about that.

972
00:46:55,530 --> 00:46:58,810
Yeah so there's other areas
we need to look at as it

973
00:46:58,810 --> 00:47:02,550
relates to adjacent impacts.

974
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:07,290
So I get the master plan, how
quickly we look at the perimeter

975
00:47:07,290 --> 00:47:11,330
and assess those issues
and get something more

976
00:47:11,330 --> 00:47:15,850
comprehensive than this one.

977
00:47:15,850 --> 00:47:19,450
Because if we're going to
do something right, yeah,

978
00:47:19,450 --> 00:47:21,350
we need to know
what that cost is.

979
00:47:21,350 --> 00:47:22,590
And that one on the right.

980
00:47:22,590 --> 00:47:25,870
How many years is that.

981
00:47:25,870 --> 00:47:26,430
This one.

982
00:47:26,430 --> 00:47:28,090
Yeah well no, no,
for the whole Mike

983
00:47:28,090 --> 00:47:29,570
I see your hand up
will come to you.

984
00:47:29,570 --> 00:47:33,250
Sorry 2019 to today.

985
00:47:33,250 --> 00:47:39,150
So yeah about a year seven
years and we worth of claims.

986
00:47:39,150 --> 00:47:43,410
And we do suspect there might
be some underreporting depending

987
00:47:43,410 --> 00:47:45,563
on whose cars are
being damaged so

988
00:47:45,563 --> 00:47:46,730
that there could
be stuff happening

989
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:48,690
that we're just not aware of.

990
00:47:48,690 --> 00:47:51,510


991
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:53,430
How often does that happen.

992
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:54,930
The way the residents.

993
00:47:54,930 --> 00:47:58,650
Just so it's hard to say.

994
00:47:58,650 --> 00:48:01,590
It's hard to say if normally
if there is damage involved

995
00:48:01,590 --> 00:48:04,690
and someone will someone will
find a way to contact about it.

996
00:48:04,690 --> 00:48:07,270
I mean, I can definitely
imagine the community center

997
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:10,770
because the whole
one is about whole,

998
00:48:10,770 --> 00:48:14,870
and I try not to park in
the front, park in the back.

999
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:16,290
That's why I always
see it empty.

1000
00:48:16,290 --> 00:48:18,230
I'm like, man, this
could be something.

1001
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:20,250
Mike has a question, I believe.

1002
00:48:20,250 --> 00:48:24,030
Mike thank you.

1003
00:48:24,030 --> 00:48:26,570
What is the yardage on hole 9.

1004
00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:30,070


1005
00:48:30,070 --> 00:48:30,970
Pull it up real quick.

1006
00:48:30,970 --> 00:48:31,890
It should be on mine.

1007
00:48:31,890 --> 00:48:33,910
Yeah, I don't know.

1008
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:36,510
I know it, but I don't know it.

1009
00:48:36,510 --> 00:48:38,450
Is it a par 3 or par 4.

1010
00:48:38,450 --> 00:48:39,750
It's a par 4.

1011
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:42,390
Yeah OK.

1012
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:45,700
I cannot get there in three.

1013
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:46,680
He took off.

1014
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,020
That is it.

1015
00:48:48,020 --> 00:48:51,480
Once it's over, it's.

1016
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,980
It's over 400, I believe.

1017
00:48:53,980 --> 00:48:55,760
They told me and
I don't remember.

1018
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,820
Yeah because that
if your line right

1019
00:48:57,820 --> 00:49:00,900
there is at the 200 yard mark.

1020
00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:06,320
Yeah because the 150 yard
marker is before those trees.

1021
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,520
Just after the ditch.

1022
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,000
My reason for asking.

1023
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:10,920
Yeah, it's like right here.

1024
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:11,640
It's a par 4.

1025
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,160
There's less that you could
do about it, but is there any.

1026
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,540
I was just thinking, if there's
a way to shorten the hole

1027
00:49:17,540 --> 00:49:22,180
and make it 150 yard par 3
and just move the tee box up

1028
00:49:22,180 --> 00:49:25,140
to that upper right
hand corner that's

1029
00:49:25,140 --> 00:49:27,780
in the middle of the fairway.

1030
00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:31,020
And if shortening the
hole actually also

1031
00:49:31,020 --> 00:49:33,220
takes care of some
of the problem.

1032
00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:34,620
Yeah well that's
something definitely

1033
00:49:34,620 --> 00:49:36,620
something could be looked at
as part of the master plan.

1034
00:49:36,620 --> 00:49:38,940
That's probably
not a viable that's

1035
00:49:38,940 --> 00:49:40,560
probably not a viable option.

1036
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,160
So that's why I asked.

1037
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:47,600
Well we've had some internal
conversation about the course

1038
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,700
and as part of the
master planning,

1039
00:49:49,700 --> 00:49:51,220
like could we make it more.

1040
00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:55,360
Par 3 as opposed to par 4 to try
to reduce some of that impact

1041
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:56,720
on certain holes.

1042
00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:57,900
But again, that's long term.

1043
00:49:57,900 --> 00:49:58,500
It is long term.

1044
00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:00,660
All of these are a lot
of this is long term.

1045
00:50:00,660 --> 00:50:02,740
Yes so are we.

1046
00:50:02,740 --> 00:50:04,280
And they're going to
be whatever social

1047
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,860
will have to be multifaceted.

1048
00:50:05,860 --> 00:50:08,640
Like if we need
trees which we're

1049
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,860
going they need to go in now.

1050
00:50:10,860 --> 00:50:13,100
So yeah at some point
they'll be larger.

1051
00:50:13,100 --> 00:50:14,580
Better time would have
been 20 years ago.

1052
00:50:14,580 --> 00:50:15,900
But we can't get that back.

1053
00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:20,320
So today the trees are nuts.

1054
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:21,960
It could be both.

1055
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,200
I think we need both.

1056
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,320
So I think it's going to be
a combination of something.

1057
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,840
But I personally would like to
know the full span of what we

1058
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,480
might need to do with
perimeter, knowing

1059
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,940
that there may be other things
that we do inside the course.

1060
00:50:34,940 --> 00:50:38,320


1061
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,720
You could disagree with.

1062
00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:42,360
No, I'm aligned with that.

1063
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:43,990
All those things I can
bring back in the course

1064
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:45,750
of the budget discussion.

1065
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:47,170
We can look at it
as part of that.

1066
00:50:47,170 --> 00:50:48,330
Yeah because we would need.

1067
00:50:48,330 --> 00:50:52,550
We would definitely need
an Amendment at a minimum.

1068
00:50:52,550 --> 00:50:57,950
And if I did it, I
couldn't do it this year.

1069
00:50:57,950 --> 00:51:00,750
What kind of reserves do
we have in the enterprise.

1070
00:51:00,750 --> 00:51:01,543
It's healthy.

1071
00:51:01,543 --> 00:51:02,410
Yeah, it's pretty healthy.

1072
00:51:02,410 --> 00:51:05,090
I don't know exactly,
but it's also I mean,

1073
00:51:05,090 --> 00:51:09,290
we couldn't use it all on this.

1074
00:51:09,290 --> 00:51:10,650
We don't have that
kind of I mean,

1075
00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:14,130
we have funding for
the master planning.

1076
00:51:14,130 --> 00:51:19,430
So if we wanted to maybe
do a more specific look

1077
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:21,270
at the perimeter
piece, we might be

1078
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:23,650
able to use some of that already
budgeted funding for that,

1079
00:51:23,650 --> 00:51:24,750
because we haven't
quite launched

1080
00:51:24,750 --> 00:51:26,750
the master planning effort yet.

1081
00:51:26,750 --> 00:51:28,250
So we need to talk about scope.

1082
00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:30,830
So that could be
something we could do

1083
00:51:30,830 --> 00:51:32,990
because that funding is there.

1084
00:51:32,990 --> 00:51:34,650
We wanted to get
somebody to help.

1085
00:51:34,650 --> 00:51:37,990


1086
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:41,330
Kelvin, you have a
question or comment.

1087
00:51:41,330 --> 00:51:45,630
And so the netting.

1088
00:51:45,630 --> 00:51:47,270
So like the size of the netting.

1089
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:51,050
So if you were to put trees
and netting how much would

1090
00:51:51,050 --> 00:51:53,490
that actually cost.

1091
00:51:53,490 --> 00:51:57,130
So that would be
the 80 or the 60.

1092
00:51:57,130 --> 00:51:58,890
The 80.

1093
00:51:58,890 --> 00:52:00,770
It has to be 80.

1094
00:52:00,770 --> 00:52:01,710
Yeah 80 foot.

1095
00:52:01,710 --> 00:52:05,550
That's like 1.2
over with the trees.

1096
00:52:05,550 --> 00:52:08,310
It'd be close to 1.5, 3.0.

1097
00:52:08,310 --> 00:52:12,890
So the feet is it's because of
the height and the engineering

1098
00:52:12,890 --> 00:52:16,730
and how deep you got to go and
the types of poles, it just.

1099
00:52:16,730 --> 00:52:18,170
Yeah, it's a little
more I thought

1100
00:52:18,170 --> 00:52:22,330
it would be like some cutoff
like, OK, we'll use I don't 450

1101
00:52:22,330 --> 00:52:23,850
and then the rest
trees everywhere.

1102
00:52:23,850 --> 00:52:24,350
Well OK.

1103
00:52:24,350 --> 00:52:25,410
That's a good point.

1104
00:52:25,410 --> 00:52:28,990
What I'm quoting is
from here to 450.

1105
00:52:28,990 --> 00:52:34,390
And if you wanted to say, do
200, that would reduce it.

1106
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:37,190
But if there's
another variation,

1107
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:40,720
it's just we were
trying to catch.

1108
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:42,880
It's hard to say where
the balls are coming from

1109
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,660
and how they're
exiting the course.

1110
00:52:44,660 --> 00:52:46,960
And so we wanted to try to
get because I would hate

1111
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,840
to invest that much
and miss the spot

1112
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,080
that they're exiting through.

1113
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:59,400
Yeah and realistically, we
should get Dominion to tell us.

1114
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,580
Yeah, we need before
we go too far.

1115
00:53:02,580 --> 00:53:05,180
We need to know what it's
not permissible power lines,

1116
00:53:05,180 --> 00:53:06,720
but it's close.

1117
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:08,540
So there's an easement on that.

1118
00:53:08,540 --> 00:53:10,420
But we're talking about
putting it on our side.

1119
00:53:10,420 --> 00:53:14,600
But if the pole came down
right there they might still.

1120
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:20,000
So we'd have to work with them
on what's it 50 or 100 foot

1121
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,060
by default. They have is feet.

1122
00:53:23,060 --> 00:53:24,800
Is the easement feet.

1123
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,540
And like I said, they
have access point.

1124
00:53:28,540 --> 00:53:31,380
I want to say it's
right around here.

1125
00:53:31,380 --> 00:53:33,920


1126
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,660
To get into their
utilities from the course.

1127
00:53:36,660 --> 00:53:39,020
So we'd we were
talking about doing

1128
00:53:39,020 --> 00:53:40,800
netting where it's stops here.

1129
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,040
And then there's a section that
starts here so they can get in.

1130
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,740
So we definitely
have to coordinate.

1131
00:53:47,740 --> 00:53:49,400
We were talking about
that with the trees too.

1132
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,900
How do you layer it to
where they can still

1133
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:54,780
get a vehicle in or
confirm that they even

1134
00:53:54,780 --> 00:53:55,920
need that access right there.

1135
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,980
I'm not entirely
sure why they have

1136
00:53:58,980 --> 00:54:02,480
it, so that we could be able to
get in short order to the trees.

1137
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,480
No, the Dominion
Power information.

1138
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:10,940
Yeah, we can work with them
if the netting solution is

1139
00:54:10,940 --> 00:54:14,720
something you all would like
to see more information on,

1140
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:18,180
we can get some
more information.

1141
00:54:18,180 --> 00:54:22,240
If you're thinking
of sectioning,

1142
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:27,100
I would want to have somebody
like more informed on golf

1143
00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:27,800
courses.

1144
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,500
So yeah, of course,
help with that

1145
00:54:29,500 --> 00:54:33,620
to identify what would be
the best location for that

1146
00:54:33,620 --> 00:54:36,380
if we're going to
invest in, let's

1147
00:54:36,380 --> 00:54:39,730
say Dominion is OK with feet.

1148
00:54:39,730 --> 00:54:43,830
So what phase.

1149
00:54:43,830 --> 00:54:49,090
So if we broke this up into
phases with the limited budgets,

1150
00:54:49,090 --> 00:54:53,170
what could we get done sooner.

1151
00:54:53,170 --> 00:54:56,890
And what does that look
like in terms of here's

1152
00:54:56,890 --> 00:54:59,550
the total solution phase.

1153
00:54:59,550 --> 00:55:02,590
Vegetative planning could go
in first because that's yeah,

1154
00:55:02,590 --> 00:55:05,410
we could do on our
property vegetation

1155
00:55:05,410 --> 00:55:08,390
hopefully in this planting
season, which is coming up.

1156
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:11,750
So that I think we have I
think we have some funding.

1157
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:14,410
I think for that we
could do that would

1158
00:55:14,410 --> 00:55:19,410
be along the tree line there
and addressing that gap.

1159
00:55:19,410 --> 00:55:21,910
Phase 2, Dominion is coming out.

1160
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:24,630
I know they're coming
out to do more spraying.

1161
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:27,250
And I think we just got some
communication from staff today

1162
00:55:27,250 --> 00:55:29,370
about that, of wanting to
talk to them a little bit more

1163
00:55:29,370 --> 00:55:31,870
about what other
planting can they do.

1164
00:55:31,870 --> 00:55:33,430
They have been amenable to it.

1165
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:35,290
They're not putting
huge trees, but they're

1166
00:55:35,290 --> 00:55:38,630
definitely putting some
evergreens and some things.

1167
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:41,770
Like I said, behind 1119,
they're putting some vegetation.

1168
00:55:41,770 --> 00:55:42,970
Which house is 1119?

1169
00:55:42,970 --> 00:55:45,230
It's the furthest all
the way on the end

1170
00:55:45,230 --> 00:55:46,470
in the call to add the call.

1171
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:54,230
Yes The property damage claim
is this house right now.

1172
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:56,730
Wow gosh, that's a strong swing.

1173
00:55:56,730 --> 00:55:58,190
That's a bad shot.

1174
00:55:58,190 --> 00:56:00,810
Yeah like I said, I
mean, strong and wild.

1175
00:56:00,810 --> 00:56:05,290
We have some amateurs, and
technology has improved.

1176
00:56:05,290 --> 00:56:08,670
And I do think that is
impacting how hard and far some

1177
00:56:08,670 --> 00:56:10,630
of these golf balls are going.

1178
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:13,630
So again, I'll just beat this
dead horse one last time.

1179
00:56:13,630 --> 00:56:17,190
Why don't we just bond.

1180
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:19,430
Why are we trying to scrape up.

1181
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:21,530
I mean, I get that
it's a minimal amount.

1182
00:56:21,530 --> 00:56:23,530
It's not a matter of us
having the money or not.

1183
00:56:23,530 --> 00:56:26,190
It's a matter of
council deciding.

1184
00:56:26,190 --> 00:56:32,070
Is that much money worth
spending for basically

1185
00:56:32,070 --> 00:56:37,840
a one in 250,000 chance.

1186
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,540
Even I said, even if we went
from three average claims

1187
00:56:41,540 --> 00:56:50,220
a year to 30, that's still
way less than a $1.2 million

1188
00:56:50,220 --> 00:56:53,940
net is going to cost,
and a 12 $2 billion net

1189
00:56:53,940 --> 00:56:55,200
is probably also going.

1190
00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:00,560
Even if we borrowed for that,
it's going to severely limit.

1191
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,140


1192
00:57:04,140 --> 00:57:07,140
The amount we have in
reserves for the golf course

1193
00:57:07,140 --> 00:57:08,900
and the ability to
do anything else out

1194
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:14,180
there for the foreseeable
unless we Jack up rates a lot

1195
00:57:14,180 --> 00:57:15,040
to cover it.

1196
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,920
So it's just more of a cost
risk analysis in my opinion.

1197
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,640
It's not a matter of, do
we have the money or not.

1198
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:26,420
So again, not to guess when
we do the full 1.4 million

1199
00:57:26,420 --> 00:57:27,580
whatever.

1200
00:57:27,580 --> 00:57:33,120
But option two was that we
combined 2, 4 and 5 with I

1201
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,160
mean that somewhere South of.

1202
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:36,660
No, no, no.

1203
00:57:36,660 --> 00:57:39,560
If you want to do option two.

1204
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,240
Yeah I mean that would just work
that into next year's budget

1205
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,840
discussion because there's going
to be other stuff related to the

1206
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,580
we keep going back
to the budget again.

1207
00:57:48,580 --> 00:57:50,440
That would be increasing.

1208
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,880
No no no it I would
use fund balance out

1209
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,480
of this for any regard.

1210
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:00,400
So it's not a matter of I
would use the Enterprise

1211
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:06,440
fund, the enterprise funds fund
balance if we needed to use

1212
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,000
the towns, the
general funds fund

1213
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,780
balance, that's also an option.

1214
00:58:09,780 --> 00:58:12,460
So it's not a matter of money.

1215
00:58:12,460 --> 00:58:16,760
It's a matter of how
much do you want to spend

1216
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,500
on insurance kind of question.

1217
00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:23,920


1218
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,160
And again, it's
whatever solution

1219
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:32,390
we put up there will still
be golf balls in the yard.

1220
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:36,590
I can't stop animals
from dropping and doing

1221
00:58:36,590 --> 00:58:40,670
that, which goes into some
damage is caused if a mower

1222
00:58:40,670 --> 00:58:42,430
catches it and hooks it.

1223
00:58:42,430 --> 00:58:46,790
If there's balls that
land in the vegetation,

1224
00:58:46,790 --> 00:58:48,710
they can rock it
out like the siding

1225
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:50,290
damage is pretty significant.

1226
00:58:50,290 --> 00:58:54,030
On the one and that is
definitely a ball rocketing.

1227
00:58:54,030 --> 00:58:57,230
I don't know how it
happened, but it's

1228
00:58:57,230 --> 00:59:00,410
a hole in the siding, so
probably got hit by a lawnmower.

1229
00:59:00,410 --> 00:59:02,950
I mean, otherwise we're
not sure it's physically

1230
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:06,390
possible for a ball
to go that distance

1231
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:08,090
and punch a hole in siding.

1232
00:59:08,090 --> 00:59:13,790
Yeah so to say all that
it's not going to it

1233
00:59:13,790 --> 00:59:17,950
will keep balls that are errant
from going through in that area.

1234
00:59:17,950 --> 00:59:20,350
Yeah I just want to
set expectations.

1235
00:59:20,350 --> 00:59:26,870
So if I think I'm
hearing us converge on.

1236
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:29,850
So if we can get
fall planning inning.

1237
00:59:29,850 --> 00:59:33,530
We at least want to do some
plantings and vegetative stuff

1238
00:59:33,530 --> 00:59:36,950
in any solution we would
need to direct for sure.

1239
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:40,850
Now so that way that can
be planned this fall.

1240
00:59:40,850 --> 00:59:42,170
Are we in agreement there.

1241
00:59:42,170 --> 00:59:42,990
Yes OK.

1242
00:59:42,990 --> 00:59:46,750
We have some
informational needs.

1243
00:59:46,750 --> 00:59:50,090
And since any kind of netting
solutions going to have to come

1244
00:59:50,090 --> 00:59:51,650
through a budget
Amendment and we

1245
00:59:51,650 --> 00:59:53,210
have to do procurements
or anything

1246
00:59:53,210 --> 00:59:54,970
if we choose to do that.

1247
00:59:54,970 --> 00:59:59,890
Do I have here convergence on
Get the additional information

1248
00:59:59,890 --> 01:00:06,170
on Dominion easement
concerns, the pass through

1249
01:00:06,170 --> 01:00:08,370
and any alternatives there.

1250
01:00:08,370 --> 01:00:11,210
And look at the rest
of the perimeters,

1251
01:00:11,210 --> 01:00:14,090
because I would want
to package up anything

1252
01:00:14,090 --> 01:00:17,770
that we're doing in a budget
Amendment or whatever together.

1253
01:00:17,770 --> 01:00:20,330
Yeah and that would
include the 700 foot.

1254
01:00:20,330 --> 01:00:22,730
And then we would
come back once we

1255
01:00:22,730 --> 01:00:25,610
have that information,
700 or 80 foot

1256
01:00:25,610 --> 01:00:27,990
height, 80 foot height or both.

1257
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:33,680
Well, I think the 80
might be a stretch.

1258
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,780
I mean, I guess asking
Dominion if you can ask them,

1259
01:00:37,780 --> 01:00:41,220
but I think we need to
know what Dominion says.

1260
01:00:41,220 --> 01:00:43,160
But then all right,
then we get to

1261
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,340
a real financial conversation.

1262
01:00:45,340 --> 01:00:47,660
That's a huge hole in
the budget at that point.

1263
01:00:47,660 --> 01:00:50,400
So well, yeah, I mean do it all.

1264
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,720
But my preference would be that
entire because you got people

1265
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,280
that I mean I've
seen people play

1266
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,700
this course even at if
you're on your third shot,

1267
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:03,240
there is a chance.

1268
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,080
That thing goes sideways.

1269
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,000
So yeah, it's not always.

1270
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,160
But your third shot
is not a driver.

1271
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,400
So for most people,
yeah, but you

1272
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:14,740
got people out there drinking.

1273
01:01:14,740 --> 01:01:16,680
I mean, it's like LEGOs.

1274
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:22,800
So no, I would be in favor
of the full 700 at the 60

1275
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,300
and then look at options
for the 450 at 80.

1276
01:01:26,300 --> 01:01:34,980
Et cetera I think as
far as the distance

1277
01:01:34,980 --> 01:01:37,140
and how far we need
to go, I definitely

1278
01:01:37,140 --> 01:01:41,140
would want to enlist a
expert in golf course

1279
01:01:41,140 --> 01:01:44,800
to give us a better idea
of what that prime spot is,

1280
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,320
to protect the houses
all along that area.

1281
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,020
I would assume Mike has people.

1282
01:01:49,020 --> 01:01:53,180
Yeah Cool OK.

1283
01:01:53,180 --> 01:01:55,420
Anything else from anyone.

1284
01:01:55,420 --> 01:01:59,580
Long term in master
plan, we need to look at.

1285
01:01:59,580 --> 01:02:02,740
Lots of other things regarding
interior of the course and.

1286
01:02:02,740 --> 01:02:08,300
Yes OK I think I
have what I need.

1287
01:02:08,300 --> 01:02:10,900
Great thanks.

1288
01:02:10,900 --> 01:02:12,160
I'm not going to stop sharing.

1289
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,540
Yeah OK.

1290
01:02:15,540 --> 01:02:17,460
Thank you.

1291
01:02:17,460 --> 01:02:20,180
Thank you.

1292
01:02:20,180 --> 01:02:21,500
All right.

1293
01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:23,680
I will now recognize
Mike shingledecker,

1294
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,210
our transportation engineer,
to begin the discussion

1295
01:02:26,210 --> 01:02:29,110
of traffic calming,
crosswalks, crosswalks,

1296
01:02:29,110 --> 01:02:30,810
and bike safety discussion.

1297
01:02:30,810 --> 01:02:34,450
And Chief will also
be assisting this.

1298
01:02:34,450 --> 01:02:36,410
Chief, we have a spot
for you up here too.

1299
01:02:36,410 --> 01:02:40,470
Thanks Oh, by the
way, that's it.

1300
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:43,050


1301
01:02:43,050 --> 01:02:45,570
Actually, kick it off
with a couple things

1302
01:02:45,570 --> 01:02:47,630
while they're getting settled.

1303
01:02:47,630 --> 01:02:50,610
So you guys know
Mr. shingledecker

1304
01:02:50,610 --> 01:02:54,210
and chief behonick, we
want to hit two topics

1305
01:02:54,210 --> 01:02:57,450
tonight that are very timely.

1306
01:02:57,450 --> 01:02:58,830
One is traffic.

1307
01:02:58,830 --> 01:03:02,730
Now, of course, we're hearing.

1308
01:03:02,730 --> 01:03:08,650
More and more interest we've got
in traffic calming around town.

1309
01:03:08,650 --> 01:03:10,870
We've got our drive
differently effort.

1310
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:13,310
We've got a variety
of different things.

1311
01:03:13,310 --> 01:03:15,730
But one of the things
that happens all the time

1312
01:03:15,730 --> 01:03:18,490
is we have residents
come to us and say,

1313
01:03:18,490 --> 01:03:19,870
can we get a stop sign here.

1314
01:03:19,870 --> 01:03:21,650
Can we get a crosswalk there.

1315
01:03:21,650 --> 01:03:23,390
Will you lower the speed
limit from there to there.

1316
01:03:23,390 --> 01:03:25,030
I'm sure all of
you, especially when

1317
01:03:25,030 --> 01:03:27,330
you're out and about
talking to residents,

1318
01:03:27,330 --> 01:03:29,430
you get similar questions.

1319
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:32,590
So today Mike's going to
talk a little bit about what

1320
01:03:32,590 --> 01:03:33,610
that process looks like.

1321
01:03:33,610 --> 01:03:34,650
Because a lot happens.

1322
01:03:34,650 --> 01:03:36,610
We can't just slap a
stop sign in somewhere.

1323
01:03:36,610 --> 01:03:39,510
A lot happens behind the scene.

1324
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:41,850
And we take a look at
all the requests we get.

1325
01:03:41,850 --> 01:03:42,990
So Mike's going
to talk about that

1326
01:03:42,990 --> 01:03:46,910
and some of the common
measures that you

1327
01:03:46,910 --> 01:03:48,370
frequently get asked for.

1328
01:03:48,370 --> 01:03:51,070
So when you're out and
about can talk a little bit

1329
01:03:51,070 --> 01:03:55,670
about why things can't
go in certain places

1330
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:57,070
or why they could.

1331
01:03:57,070 --> 01:03:59,210
And then chief is going
to talk about e-bikes,

1332
01:03:59,210 --> 01:04:03,430
another hot topic of the day,
more and more on the trail

1333
01:04:03,430 --> 01:04:05,270
and around town.

1334
01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:10,670
A lot of illegal bicycles,
electric bicycles.

1335
01:04:10,670 --> 01:04:12,710
And we've got an event
coming up tomorrow,

1336
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:16,070
actually, about the topic.

1337
01:04:16,070 --> 01:04:17,110
Mike.

1338
01:04:17,110 --> 01:04:18,990
Thanks, Dan.

1339
01:04:18,990 --> 01:04:20,010
Good evening council.

1340
01:04:20,010 --> 01:04:23,340
Wonderful to be in
front of you again.

1341
01:04:23,340 --> 01:04:26,780
Quick, quick, brief history
of where we've been.

1342
01:04:26,780 --> 01:04:30,700
Back in 2011, we had this
thing neighbor travel

1343
01:04:30,700 --> 01:04:33,740
guide and then that
supported that was

1344
01:04:33,740 --> 01:04:36,240
this marked crosswalk guide.

1345
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:37,940
We merge these two
things together

1346
01:04:37,940 --> 01:04:41,180
about two years ago in
2024, and adopted standards

1347
01:04:41,180 --> 01:04:42,760
for traffic calming crosswalks.

1348
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:43,820
That's this one.

1349
01:04:43,820 --> 01:04:50,420
And we clarified the process
that involves how our residents

1350
01:04:50,420 --> 01:04:53,540
and members of our community
essentially ask for things

1351
01:04:53,540 --> 01:04:56,620
in the transportation
network and how that moves,

1352
01:04:56,620 --> 01:05:00,740
what supports our
findings to help clarify

1353
01:05:00,740 --> 01:05:04,420
how we operate internally.

1354
01:05:04,420 --> 01:05:06,440
So what we have
up on the screen,

1355
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,180
this little timeline is
what the requester sees when

1356
01:05:09,180 --> 01:05:10,540
they want to see
something change

1357
01:05:10,540 --> 01:05:12,300
in our transportation network.

1358
01:05:12,300 --> 01:05:15,740
They'll report it,
clarify details about it.

1359
01:05:15,740 --> 01:05:18,440
And then we may ask for
additional information.

1360
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,760
We may hold a public meeting
or something like that.

1361
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,340
And then we'll track it
through a funding process,

1362
01:05:24,340 --> 01:05:26,280
a programmatic process.

1363
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,280
And then one of the
key changes that we

1364
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:32,820
made in the 2024 standards
was the after study process.

1365
01:05:32,820 --> 01:05:35,200
Making sure that what
we did is actually

1366
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:40,720
being effective and using
data to justify that case.

1367
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,380
If you aren't fully
aware internally,

1368
01:05:43,380 --> 01:05:47,720
staff has a committee called
the traffic engineering

1369
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:48,660
improvement committee.

1370
01:05:48,660 --> 01:05:51,320
Teak will sometimes
refer to it as.

1371
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,680
And this is comprised
entirely of staff

1372
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:57,280
from Department of Public Works,
engineering operations, Herndon

1373
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,020
police department and planning.

1374
01:05:59,020 --> 01:06:01,400
And we'll pull in
others as necessary.

1375
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,760
And really that's
there to help staff

1376
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,460
holistically look at concerns
and requests that we receive.

1377
01:06:07,460 --> 01:06:10,280


1378
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,280
So the question is,
how does it all start.

1379
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:13,380
Herndon on the go.

1380
01:06:13,380 --> 01:06:17,520
Our app is honestly the number
one way to put in service

1381
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,770
requests because it generates.

1382
01:06:19,770 --> 01:06:20,570
I didn't even know that.

1383
01:06:20,570 --> 01:06:25,410
OK, well, we can link
up with the link there.

1384
01:06:25,410 --> 01:06:27,810
And we'll continue to try
to get that information out.

1385
01:06:27,810 --> 01:06:30,250
That generates a work order
internal to our system,

1386
01:06:30,250 --> 01:06:33,910
and it gets routed immediately
to the team that does that work.

1387
01:06:33,910 --> 01:06:35,450
So if there's a traffic
calming complaint,

1388
01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:36,910
it literally comes to me.

1389
01:06:36,910 --> 01:06:38,450
I get it in my inbox.

1390
01:06:38,450 --> 01:06:40,770
If there's a signage complaint,
it goes to a signage team.

1391
01:06:40,770 --> 01:06:43,730
If it's a safety complaint,
if it's life threatening,

1392
01:06:43,730 --> 01:06:45,830
call 911 or dispatch.

1393
01:06:45,830 --> 01:06:47,170
But if it's non-life
threatening,

1394
01:06:47,170 --> 01:06:49,670
we can route it to HPD
as well in the process

1395
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:52,570
that when we get these
types of requests,

1396
01:06:52,570 --> 01:06:53,810
the more detail is better.

1397
01:06:53,810 --> 01:06:55,530
A picture is worth
a thousand words.

1398
01:06:55,530 --> 01:06:57,710
It helps us understand
what's happening,

1399
01:06:57,710 --> 01:07:00,510
because the way that staff
looks at these requests

1400
01:07:00,510 --> 01:07:04,130
in our transportation
network isn't what you want.

1401
01:07:04,130 --> 01:07:05,470
I want a stop sign.

1402
01:07:05,470 --> 01:07:06,950
It's about the problem.

1403
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:09,690
People are not paying
attention to pedestrians here.

1404
01:07:09,690 --> 01:07:12,370
Those are two different things
from the staff perspective,

1405
01:07:12,370 --> 01:07:14,830
and we have different
engineering countermeasures

1406
01:07:14,830 --> 01:07:16,810
based on what's
actually being observed,

1407
01:07:16,810 --> 01:07:18,780
the problem at in hand.

1408
01:07:18,780 --> 01:07:19,360
And again.

1409
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,480
So this is very dry.

1410
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:22,840
This is an engineering document.

1411
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,080
That's why I'm not sharing
too much directly from it.

1412
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,140
It is available on our
website within our Department

1413
01:07:28,140 --> 01:07:29,360
of Public Works section.

1414
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:33,300
So I can always link that
if you would like that.

1415
01:07:33,300 --> 01:07:36,420
And when that comes
in it gets logged

1416
01:07:36,420 --> 01:07:39,560
and we track that continuously
through the process.

1417
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:40,660
We have a couple
different levels

1418
01:07:40,660 --> 01:07:42,560
of how we understand requests.

1419
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:44,640
At a basic level, if it's
something very simple,

1420
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:48,800
like a sign is damaged or a Bush
is in the way of sight distance,

1421
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:50,600
we can process
that very quickly.

1422
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,620
A work order goes out
and our operations team

1423
01:07:52,620 --> 01:07:53,780
takes care of it.

1424
01:07:53,780 --> 01:07:56,620
If it maybe involves a
little bit more detail,

1425
01:07:56,620 --> 01:07:58,380
perhaps we need
to collect traffic

1426
01:07:58,380 --> 01:08:00,020
data, something like that.

1427
01:08:00,020 --> 01:08:04,400
We may bring on call engineer
staff may self-perform it,

1428
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,260
but usually those
things go to teak

1429
01:08:06,260 --> 01:08:08,580
and we make sure that we're
looking at it holistically

1430
01:08:08,580 --> 01:08:11,780
and multidisciplinary from a
multidisciplinary approach.

1431
01:08:11,780 --> 01:08:15,060
When things get complicated,
say we need to add a lane

1432
01:08:15,060 --> 01:08:16,479
or add a traffic signal.

1433
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,720
That's where we have to really
ramp up the level of detail.

1434
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,319
And we may go to vdot
and ask for their support

1435
01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:24,779
or seek grant funding.

1436
01:08:24,779 --> 01:08:27,859
Those can take a long time
years to process those requests.

1437
01:08:27,859 --> 01:08:29,640
But we do track them
and we keep them

1438
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:33,080
moving as the need justifies.

1439
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:37,279
And like our standards that
we have outlined in the guide,

1440
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:39,720
they're not just
stuff we came up with.

1441
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:41,260
It's best practices.

1442
01:08:41,260 --> 01:08:44,840
It's federal dot standards.

1443
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,020
It's right from a lot
of different sources.

1444
01:08:48,020 --> 01:08:50,620
Yeah, this document wasn't
just staff prepared.

1445
01:08:50,620 --> 01:08:53,040
We did bring our third
party engineer to help

1446
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:54,979
US Aggregate best practices.

1447
01:08:54,979 --> 01:08:56,920
We compared it to
peer jurisdictions

1448
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:58,920
such as Falls Church or Vienna.

1449
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:00,859
We're using vdot guidance.

1450
01:09:00,859 --> 01:09:03,359
They are our state
body of knowledge

1451
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:06,100
when it comes to transportation
and following best practice.

1452
01:09:06,100 --> 01:09:08,180
That's why we had this
update in the first place,

1453
01:09:08,180 --> 01:09:10,880
is to keep us at the
cutting edge of traffic

1454
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,720
calming and pedestrian safety.

1455
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,670
Thanks all right.

1456
01:09:17,670 --> 01:09:18,910
A couple of quick
definitions just

1457
01:09:18,910 --> 01:09:20,830
to get a sense of what
I'm talking about when

1458
01:09:20,830 --> 01:09:22,430
we talk about traffic calming.

1459
01:09:22,430 --> 01:09:25,670
These are changes
within the roadway

1460
01:09:25,670 --> 01:09:28,350
within our
transportation facilities

1461
01:09:28,350 --> 01:09:30,950
that change a behavior.

1462
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:33,189
There is a reason
for them to be there.

1463
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:35,870
And very often it's
safety oriented

1464
01:09:35,870 --> 01:09:39,670
reducing speed, improving
visibility, or enabling

1465
01:09:39,670 --> 01:09:43,510
a safer pedestrian crossing.

1466
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:45,750
We do have limitations
on where certain things

1467
01:09:45,750 --> 01:09:47,050
can be implemented.

1468
01:09:47,050 --> 01:09:49,450
So for example, a lot of
people ask for speed humps.

1469
01:09:49,450 --> 01:09:53,270
It's a very popular
request when we have buses

1470
01:09:53,270 --> 01:09:57,310
or we have an arterial facility
that's maybe 35 miles an hour,

1471
01:09:57,310 --> 01:10:00,870
those become a
balance of operations.

1472
01:10:00,870 --> 01:10:04,010
Damage to vehicles
speed can damage buses.

1473
01:10:04,010 --> 01:10:06,030
Especially think of
a school bus when

1474
01:10:06,030 --> 01:10:08,410
you have 50 school children.

1475
01:10:08,410 --> 01:10:10,170
It's a lot of weight
on the suspension.

1476
01:10:10,170 --> 01:10:14,150
We try to avoid heavily
impactful full countermeasures.

1477
01:10:14,150 --> 01:10:16,810
Instead, we'd rather use
behavioral modifications

1478
01:10:16,810 --> 01:10:18,230
like our speed feedback signs.

1479
01:10:18,230 --> 01:10:20,590
So we do have a fair number
of those in our community.

1480
01:10:20,590 --> 01:10:23,010
There are just different tools
that we use in engineering

1481
01:10:23,010 --> 01:10:26,010
to elicit a change.

1482
01:10:26,010 --> 01:10:28,530
Anytime we do traffic
calming, it's data based,

1483
01:10:28,530 --> 01:10:31,450
we collect speeds
out in the field.

1484
01:10:31,450 --> 01:10:34,630
You probably haven't seen our
little data collection boxes.

1485
01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:37,870
They're about yay big,
about inches to 10.

1486
01:10:37,870 --> 01:10:39,690
They're very discreet,
and the intent

1487
01:10:39,690 --> 01:10:43,850
is to deploy those in a way
that doesn't affect behavior

1488
01:10:43,850 --> 01:10:45,030
that's sometimes laugh.

1489
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:46,430
Oh, when are you
doing data collection.

1490
01:10:46,430 --> 01:10:48,530
You usually say, we're
not telling you because we

1491
01:10:48,530 --> 01:10:49,590
want it to be unbiased.

1492
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:51,930
We want our data to be truthful.

1493
01:10:51,930 --> 01:10:54,770
We also, of course,
look at Crash history

1494
01:10:54,770 --> 01:10:56,550
and conduct staff observations.

1495
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:58,050
So you'll probably
see me out and about

1496
01:10:58,050 --> 01:11:01,470
on occasion in my safety desk
watching what's going on.

1497
01:11:01,470 --> 01:11:03,110
And the more detail I
get on the front end,

1498
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:04,850
the more we understand
on the back end

1499
01:11:04,850 --> 01:11:08,090
how to and what to look for.

1500
01:11:08,090 --> 01:11:10,770
There is a key
decision gate that we

1501
01:11:10,770 --> 01:11:12,520
do use in terms
of traffic calming

1502
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:14,400
with respect to vehicle
speeds, because that

1503
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,160
is such a prevalent request.

1504
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,040
We use what's called the
85th percentile speed.

1505
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,960
It's the measured speed
at which 85% of vehicles

1506
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:26,120
are traveling at or below.

1507
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:32,000
That is usually the industry
accepted threshold for what

1508
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,960
we call speeding in a sense.

1509
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:35,400
And it has to be
10 miles an hour

1510
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,600
above the posted speed limit.

1511
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:38,580
That's not arbitrary.

1512
01:11:38,580 --> 01:11:40,780
It's not something
staff came up with.

1513
01:11:40,780 --> 01:11:42,520
It's accepted
within the industry

1514
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:47,220
as an appropriate balance of
data, real world conditions,

1515
01:11:47,220 --> 01:11:49,500
and then a response to that.

1516
01:11:49,500 --> 01:11:52,800


1517
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,120
Crosswalks a little bit more
straightforward in terms

1518
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,840
of what we're looking for.

1519
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,200
We're making sure they're
spaced sufficiently

1520
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:01,340
from other crosswalks.

1521
01:12:01,340 --> 01:12:03,260
So we don't have too many
crossings all at once.

1522
01:12:03,260 --> 01:12:06,400
That can be very
difficult to manage

1523
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,240
for both pedestrians
and drivers when

1524
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,240
there's too many interruptions.

1525
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:12,860
And again, we use data such
as how many pedestrians are

1526
01:12:12,860 --> 01:12:15,020
crossing at a
particular location

1527
01:12:15,020 --> 01:12:16,980
to justify
implementing something

1528
01:12:16,980 --> 01:12:20,240
that is going to be impactful
to vehicular travel flow.

1529
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,780


1530
01:12:22,780 --> 01:12:23,280
All right.

1531
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:24,880
So how do we actually
come up with the solutions

1532
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:26,700
we're going for.

1533
01:12:26,700 --> 01:12:28,540
The timeline at the
bottom is what you would

1534
01:12:28,540 --> 01:12:30,420
expect through the practice.

1535
01:12:30,420 --> 01:12:33,060
But in general, it's
professionals making

1536
01:12:33,060 --> 01:12:34,720
judgment calls based on data.

1537
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,500
That's what it
all comes down to.

1538
01:12:37,500 --> 01:12:41,260
If it's significantly going
impact going to significantly

1539
01:12:41,260 --> 01:12:43,440
impact a transportation
facility,

1540
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:45,080
we may hold a community meeting.

1541
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:48,940
We do a couple of times a year
with a focus on transportation.

1542
01:12:48,940 --> 01:12:52,260
Or we may engage
a specific group.

1543
01:12:52,260 --> 01:12:54,700
So for example, when we did
our Bennett street traffic

1544
01:12:54,700 --> 01:12:59,020
calming review, we actually
had at the time, our youth

1545
01:12:59,020 --> 01:13:02,140
advisory committee
acting as a focus group

1546
01:13:02,140 --> 01:13:05,460
and involving those that are
directly affected by any changes

1547
01:13:05,460 --> 01:13:06,440
that we're proposing.

1548
01:13:06,440 --> 01:13:09,410


1549
01:13:09,410 --> 01:13:10,390
How the change happens.

1550
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:12,250
Again, it depends on the scale.

1551
01:13:12,250 --> 01:13:14,690
We do have programmatic
and operational funds that

1552
01:13:14,690 --> 01:13:16,370
allow us to make minor changes.

1553
01:13:16,370 --> 01:13:19,610
We try to leverage
our paving repaving

1554
01:13:19,610 --> 01:13:22,170
program, our concrete
maintenance programs

1555
01:13:22,170 --> 01:13:23,770
to take advantage of those.

1556
01:13:23,770 --> 01:13:26,410
So again, Bennett street was a
great example of this, where we

1557
01:13:26,410 --> 01:13:28,130
had to repave the road anyway.

1558
01:13:28,130 --> 01:13:30,410
We had to do concrete
repair anyway.

1559
01:13:30,410 --> 01:13:33,410
So we tacked on the
traffic calming elements

1560
01:13:33,410 --> 01:13:35,770
to help leverage
multiple funding accounts

1561
01:13:35,770 --> 01:13:40,490
and keep it cost
effective for larger work.

1562
01:13:40,490 --> 01:13:42,850
It enters into the
CIP, which you all are

1563
01:13:42,850 --> 01:13:44,490
familiar with at this point.

1564
01:13:44,490 --> 01:13:49,090
Or we may seek grant funding,
depending on the scale.

1565
01:13:49,090 --> 01:13:50,010
All right.

1566
01:13:50,010 --> 01:13:53,270
So once we're done, once it's
in place, we do measure it.

1567
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:56,310
And if we find that we've
generated a new safety issue,

1568
01:13:56,310 --> 01:13:58,150
we should be capturing those.

1569
01:13:58,150 --> 01:14:01,870
But we do reserve the
authority to remove it.

1570
01:14:01,870 --> 01:14:03,730
If we've created
a new problem, we

1571
01:14:03,730 --> 01:14:05,570
want to make sure we
put in a safe and moving

1572
01:14:05,570 --> 01:14:07,550
in the right direction.

1573
01:14:07,550 --> 01:14:10,150
But on top of that, we will
assess if it's effective

1574
01:14:10,150 --> 01:14:11,390
and go back out
with something else

1575
01:14:11,390 --> 01:14:16,550
with the data suggests
otherwise isn't working.

1576
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:18,990
The other thing
that's pretty much

1577
01:14:18,990 --> 01:14:21,230
all I wanted to share with that.

1578
01:14:21,230 --> 01:14:23,830
I did pass out a print
version of the roadway

1579
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:24,783
safety action plan.

1580
01:14:24,783 --> 01:14:25,950
This is the exact
same thing that's

1581
01:14:25,950 --> 01:14:30,210
online as we start
to get requests,

1582
01:14:30,210 --> 01:14:32,750
because we do now have
a high Injury Network.

1583
01:14:32,750 --> 01:14:35,650
And this is essentially
a legislative priority.

1584
01:14:35,650 --> 01:14:36,910
That said, these
are the locations

1585
01:14:36,910 --> 01:14:39,550
where we're trying to
focus the projects in here

1586
01:14:39,550 --> 01:14:41,670
are going to get a
little bit more priority

1587
01:14:41,670 --> 01:14:46,030
than any community concerns
that are tangential or adjacent

1588
01:14:46,030 --> 01:14:47,670
to those areas.

1589
01:14:47,670 --> 01:14:50,430
Not that we would ignore them,
but this is where we're trying

1590
01:14:50,430 --> 01:14:53,390
to get the most bang for our
buck in reducing the injuries

1591
01:14:53,390 --> 01:14:55,710
we have on our roadway.

1592
01:14:55,710 --> 01:14:57,830
And transportation facilities.

1593
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:59,610
So that's kind of a new thing.

1594
01:14:59,610 --> 01:15:03,270
We haven't exactly worked
it into our process yet.

1595
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:06,160
We might come out with a version
1.1 or something like that.

1596
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:09,900
There's a couple changes we
want to implement anyway.

1597
01:15:09,900 --> 01:15:12,020
Roadway safety action
plan will start to color

1598
01:15:12,020 --> 01:15:14,220
how we approach some of these,
especially when it comes

1599
01:15:14,220 --> 01:15:16,620
to larger capital funding.

1600
01:15:16,620 --> 01:15:21,400
So I don't know if we want to go
right into chief's presentation.

1601
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:24,500
We can pause briefly
for questions for me.

1602
01:15:24,500 --> 01:15:26,420
Otherwise, great work.

1603
01:15:26,420 --> 01:15:28,660
Thank you.

1604
01:15:28,660 --> 01:15:29,540
I have a quick question.

1605
01:15:29,540 --> 01:15:30,040
Yes, sir.

1606
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,760
You can tell me it's too early
and not statistically relevant,

1607
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:36,380
but with school starting, do
you have any anecdotal things

1608
01:15:36,380 --> 01:15:39,660
that you can share around
all the measures that we put

1609
01:15:39,660 --> 01:15:43,560
in place and what it may
be doing impact wise,

1610
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,740
specifically at Bennett
street or administrator.

1611
01:15:46,740 --> 01:15:50,140
We haven't received, knock on
wood, a single complaint, only

1612
01:15:50,140 --> 01:15:53,180
positive feedback
from school parents,

1613
01:15:53,180 --> 01:15:57,920
Bus Operations and the folks at
the church across the street.

1614
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:04,020
And did we get signalization
changed during the signalization

1615
01:16:04,020 --> 01:16:06,160
station at the intersection
of Bennett street

1616
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:09,980
and Janesville road is
functioning as we expected it.

1617
01:16:09,980 --> 01:16:13,100
We're processing all vehicles,
all school bus departures,

1618
01:16:13,100 --> 01:16:14,780
and essentially a single cycle.

1619
01:16:14,780 --> 01:16:16,000
Sometimes there's
some stragglers

1620
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:20,920
if they're moving a little
slow, but we've essentially,

1621
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,400
I would say,
completely effective.

1622
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:28,280
We are planning to go collect
speed data in the next month

1623
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:31,180
or two once
conditions normalize,

1624
01:16:31,180 --> 01:16:34,220
and I'll be able to confidently
bring back some data that says,

1625
01:16:34,220 --> 01:16:36,920
from a speed perspective,
we were all so successful.

1626
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:40,260
And then over time, crash trends
will tell us that as well.

1627
01:16:40,260 --> 01:16:45,480
But anecdotally, 100% success.

1628
01:16:45,480 --> 01:16:48,900
OK thank you chief.

1629
01:16:48,900 --> 01:16:49,780
Sure yeah.

1630
01:16:49,780 --> 01:16:53,780
Thanks Are you
bringing up for me.

1631
01:16:53,780 --> 01:16:55,000
Yeah, thanks.

1632
01:16:55,000 --> 01:17:03,010
OK OK.

1633
01:17:03,010 --> 01:17:07,250
So we'll get into the e-bikes.

1634
01:17:07,250 --> 01:17:11,990
We started maybe
around springtime is

1635
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:13,490
when we really started seeing.

1636
01:17:13,490 --> 01:17:14,990
And when we talk
about e-bikes we're

1637
01:17:14,990 --> 01:17:17,450
talking about more motorcycles.

1638
01:17:17,450 --> 01:17:20,590
We're not having problems
with the e-bikes that we

1639
01:17:20,590 --> 01:17:21,890
call with the pedals and stuff.

1640
01:17:21,890 --> 01:17:26,230
So we saw a lot of problems with
and we have a lot of youngsters

1641
01:17:26,230 --> 01:17:29,850
on e-bikes or the motorcycles.

1642
01:17:29,850 --> 01:17:34,830
And now these things get up
to 30, 40, 70 miles an hour.

1643
01:17:34,830 --> 01:17:36,710
I'll tell you in a minute.

1644
01:17:36,710 --> 01:17:38,450
Yeah they're fast.

1645
01:17:38,450 --> 01:17:39,790
So yeah.

1646
01:17:39,790 --> 01:17:41,590
Yeah I'm sorry.

1647
01:17:41,590 --> 01:17:45,230
So what we're seeing a lot is
these over on the far right.

1648
01:17:45,230 --> 01:17:47,930
They're basically motorcycles
and much smaller ones.

1649
01:17:47,930 --> 01:17:51,030
The one on the far right,
their dirt bikes, dirt bikes,

1650
01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:52,610
they're going up
and down the trail.

1651
01:17:52,610 --> 01:17:54,970
And so that's what we've
been really working on.

1652
01:17:54,970 --> 01:17:57,350
But what we're
doing is it's really

1653
01:17:57,350 --> 01:18:00,110
an education because
parents are buying

1654
01:18:00,110 --> 01:18:01,910
these things for their kids.

1655
01:18:01,910 --> 01:18:03,110
They don't know
what they're buying.

1656
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:04,930
They don't know if
they're legal or not.

1657
01:18:04,930 --> 01:18:08,570
And we're trying to especially
when we get kids out

1658
01:18:08,570 --> 01:18:10,530
on the trail that
we're stopping when

1659
01:18:10,530 --> 01:18:12,550
they're crossing over our
roads, we're stopping them.

1660
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:15,370
And we'll call the
parents to the scene.

1661
01:18:15,370 --> 01:18:17,350
We've been seizing
them from adults,

1662
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:20,530
putting them on flatbeds,
impounding them.

1663
01:18:20,530 --> 01:18:24,330
So you'll see
that, the state has

1664
01:18:24,330 --> 01:18:27,130
given us these classifications
class Ii, and three.

1665
01:18:27,130 --> 01:18:27,790
Some of these are.

1666
01:18:27,790 --> 01:18:28,870
Pedal pedal assist.

1667
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:31,590
Some of them also have the
capability of some throttle,

1668
01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:33,970
but they all have some
form of pedal assist.

1669
01:18:33,970 --> 01:18:36,650
So anything that exceeds
those standards like it

1670
01:18:36,650 --> 01:18:39,330
says on the bottom illegal.

1671
01:18:39,330 --> 01:18:42,530
And Chief, when you say
folks are getting these

1672
01:18:42,530 --> 01:18:44,950
for their kids, a lot
of the illegal ones,

1673
01:18:44,950 --> 01:18:46,530
they're getting online.

1674
01:18:46,530 --> 01:18:49,250
Yes these are like
Amazon, Amazon,

1675
01:18:49,250 --> 01:18:53,010
our local bike shops will
sell you legal e-bikes

1676
01:18:53,010 --> 01:18:55,530
or the scooters,
giving you any issues

1677
01:18:55,530 --> 01:18:58,630
as you see a lot of
kids with the scooters.

1678
01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:59,670
Yeah, not just kids.

1679
01:18:59,670 --> 01:19:02,160
I've seen an adult down
Eldon street in the middle

1680
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:05,160
of the street going on to
say, yeah, we do see those

1681
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,580
and they're there in the road,
but once you're in the roadway,

1682
01:19:07,580 --> 01:19:09,320
you become a motor
vehicle essentially.

1683
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,640
Just like so you're subject
to the laws and regulations

1684
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,240
of the problems
that we're seeing

1685
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:18,280
is that when you're
walking down our bike path

1686
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:21,420
here and someone scoots by
you going 30 miles an hour,

1687
01:19:21,420 --> 01:19:23,440
that's a problem.

1688
01:19:23,440 --> 01:19:26,320
And also on the streets, we
don't want kids getting hurt

1689
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,720
and traffic accidents
because a lot of them

1690
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:29,940
are not wearing helmets either.

1691
01:19:29,940 --> 01:19:31,880
Yeah they don't even
have license plates.

1692
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,140
So now how are you going to
get the insurance from them.

1693
01:19:34,140 --> 01:19:40,280
And they shouldn't be using cell
phones while they're operating,

1694
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:41,840
because I've seen
kids almost run

1695
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:45,900
into telephone poles on their
phone while on an e-bike.

1696
01:19:45,900 --> 01:19:47,280
Yeah, yeah.

1697
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,680
How many people you
can fit on one e-bike

1698
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:51,900
is also something
I see regularly.

1699
01:19:51,900 --> 01:19:53,240
Yeah out my window.

1700
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:56,360
Yeah Yeah and this is
I mean this problem

1701
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:57,380
this is not going to go away.

1702
01:19:57,380 --> 01:20:00,480
This is the transportation
mode in the future,

1703
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:01,820
and it's here now.

1704
01:20:01,820 --> 01:20:06,060
But we've just got to work
make it the safest and the best

1705
01:20:06,060 --> 01:20:07,960
we can to make it
work for the town.

1706
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,440
So this is part of
the presentation,

1707
01:20:10,440 --> 01:20:12,760
we're going to be giving
to the town tomorrow night.

1708
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:14,340
It's at the community center.

1709
01:20:14,340 --> 01:20:17,420
We wanted to really launch this
with a good educational piece

1710
01:20:17,420 --> 01:20:18,240
for everybody.

1711
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:20,760
And really this is an
education for the parents.

1712
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:24,180
We're hoping that's the crowd
that's going to show up.

1713
01:20:24,180 --> 01:20:29,620
So this is our roadways, bike
lanes permitted, sidewalks

1714
01:20:29,620 --> 01:20:32,020
and trails generally permitted.

1715
01:20:32,020 --> 01:20:35,560
And this is for our e-bikes
that fit those classifications.

1716
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:39,860
We're not talking
about the motorcycles,

1717
01:20:39,860 --> 01:20:42,660
the helmet required.

1718
01:20:42,660 --> 01:20:46,860
There is a local ordinance
that would make that under 15.

1719
01:20:46,860 --> 01:20:48,000
We don't have that.

1720
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:52,900
But, all the other laws there
do apply for e-bike riders

1721
01:20:52,900 --> 01:20:55,180
here in the state.

1722
01:20:55,180 --> 01:20:59,650
So this is your typical bike
that we're seeing out there.

1723
01:20:59,650 --> 01:21:03,130
So the 15 greater than
1,500 watts, that becomes

1724
01:21:03,130 --> 01:21:04,430
essentially motorcycles.

1725
01:21:04,430 --> 01:21:06,010
So isn't it.

1726
01:21:06,010 --> 01:21:09,870
Sorry these are
not pedal assist.

1727
01:21:09,870 --> 01:21:13,130
Just throttle over
20 is basically

1728
01:21:13,130 --> 01:21:14,350
these are not pedal assist.

1729
01:21:14,350 --> 01:21:18,050
These are just strictly
throttle mini motorcycles.

1730
01:21:18,050 --> 01:21:21,810
And when you see them
you try to stop them.

1731
01:21:21,810 --> 01:21:23,050
Yes OK.

1732
01:21:23,050 --> 01:21:24,230
I mean, we have people.

1733
01:21:24,230 --> 01:21:25,310
I'll show you some stats here.

1734
01:21:25,310 --> 01:21:26,830
What we've been doing
over the last month.

1735
01:21:26,830 --> 01:21:29,870
We have a lot of people that
run to they just see us.

1736
01:21:29,870 --> 01:21:33,690
And do you guys have
a chase policy here.

1737
01:21:33,690 --> 01:21:36,170
No we're going to be
very careful about.

1738
01:21:36,170 --> 01:21:37,970
Do you want to chase policy.

1739
01:21:37,970 --> 01:21:40,110
No we have a pursuit policy.

1740
01:21:40,110 --> 01:21:44,090
It's not like he's thinking pit.

1741
01:21:44,090 --> 01:21:46,750
No no no no no no no.

1742
01:21:46,750 --> 01:21:51,210
So a lot of times
if it's a kid, we're

1743
01:21:51,210 --> 01:21:52,110
going to know who they are.

1744
01:21:52,110 --> 01:21:53,130
We'll go find them.

1745
01:21:53,130 --> 01:21:57,190
But we don't want to
cause a bigger issue.

1746
01:21:57,190 --> 01:22:00,590
When they take off, not
fully developed brains

1747
01:22:00,590 --> 01:22:01,770
sometimes with everybody.

1748
01:22:01,770 --> 01:22:03,610
So are they wearing helmets.

1749
01:22:03,610 --> 01:22:05,010
Well, we see it both sides.

1750
01:22:05,010 --> 01:22:07,390
We see somewhere in
helmets, some not.

1751
01:22:07,390 --> 01:22:10,590
So quick question
for the 50 cc's

1752
01:22:10,590 --> 01:22:12,630
does Virginia like
DC law you need

1753
01:22:12,630 --> 01:22:16,690
to have it's like 40 CC you
need to have a vehicle register.

1754
01:22:16,690 --> 01:22:17,890
Is it the same here.

1755
01:22:17,890 --> 01:22:20,770
Yeah so if anything is greater
than any of those numbers there,

1756
01:22:20,770 --> 01:22:22,670
essentially it becomes
a motorcycle that has

1757
01:22:22,670 --> 01:22:24,350
to be registered or insured.

1758
01:22:24,350 --> 01:22:24,850
All that.

1759
01:22:24,850 --> 01:22:27,230
So anything above
those parameters

1760
01:22:27,230 --> 01:22:28,850
automatically
becomes motorcycle.

1761
01:22:28,850 --> 01:22:32,010
Not legal on especially
on the trails.

1762
01:22:32,010 --> 01:22:36,130
Can't ride and people
are modifying these now.

1763
01:22:36,130 --> 01:22:38,010
So like 750.

1764
01:22:38,010 --> 01:22:40,170
We had one the other
day that we stopped.

1765
01:22:40,170 --> 01:22:42,250
That was 35,000w.

1766
01:22:42,250 --> 01:22:45,110
It went 0 to 60 in
like three seconds.

1767
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:46,550
It's crazy.

1768
01:22:46,550 --> 01:22:48,490
And he was riding
on the wnod here.

1769
01:22:48,490 --> 01:22:50,590
He stopped and he impounded it.

1770
01:22:50,590 --> 01:22:56,320
So this is just some more
Paramus sidewalks and operated.

1771
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:57,840
These are the motorcycles.

1772
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,620
Basically, if you have
a nice piece of property

1773
01:22:59,620 --> 01:23:00,940
somewhere in the
country, or there's

1774
01:23:00,940 --> 01:23:04,080
a place designated on private
property where you can ride it,

1775
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,180
that's fine.

1776
01:23:05,180 --> 01:23:08,460
But in Herndon,
there's probably not

1777
01:23:08,460 --> 01:23:10,440
a lot of places like that here.

1778
01:23:10,440 --> 01:23:15,900
So this is some of these are
some of the pamphlets that we

1779
01:23:15,900 --> 01:23:18,680
created that we put
on social media who

1780
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:20,780
are going to be handing
out to the public tomorrow.

1781
01:23:20,780 --> 01:23:25,140
We get this stuff out there that
parents just have to understand.

1782
01:23:25,140 --> 01:23:28,860
We pulled over, I think it
was a 12 or 13-year-old kid

1783
01:23:28,860 --> 01:23:32,900
and parents had no idea they
got their dad was a little upset

1784
01:23:32,900 --> 01:23:35,700
because he spent his money on
this thing, but he can't ride

1785
01:23:35,700 --> 01:23:37,340
any private property.

1786
01:23:37,340 --> 01:23:39,500
We ran into that
kid a few days later

1787
01:23:39,500 --> 01:23:41,520
who was riding a
regular bicycle,

1788
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:43,520
and we said, oh,
where's your bike.

1789
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,580
He said, well, my dad won't
let me drive it anymore.

1790
01:23:45,580 --> 01:23:48,000
So that's the
education part of it.

1791
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:48,940
It's working.

1792
01:23:48,940 --> 01:23:51,380
Yes, it could be.

1793
01:23:51,380 --> 01:23:55,380
So So this is just some
more things here that we're

1794
01:23:55,380 --> 01:23:56,380
going to be giving the public.

1795
01:23:56,380 --> 01:23:57,813
So that way they have
a good understanding.

1796
01:23:57,813 --> 01:23:59,860
We just want the
knowledge is out there.

1797
01:23:59,860 --> 01:24:03,880
So in the last, I would say
this was sometime from mid-july

1798
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:05,860
into maybe the end of August.

1799
01:24:05,860 --> 01:24:07,060
This is just a little snapshot.

1800
01:24:07,060 --> 01:24:09,720
We had 22 of those motor
I mean it's not e-bikes

1801
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:11,640
but motorcycles stopped.

1802
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:15,920
We impounded eight of them,
10 of them, either warnings

1803
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:17,420
or talking to the parents.

1804
01:24:17,420 --> 01:24:19,960
Call the parents to the scene.

1805
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:23,120
Eight of those 22 were
cited, some of them

1806
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:26,440
with multiple citations, because
there was multiple violations.

1807
01:24:26,440 --> 01:24:30,520
So a little bit of enforcement
in there, heavy on the education

1808
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,480
part right now.

1809
01:24:33,480 --> 01:24:36,340
So we had them at
the community picnic.

1810
01:24:36,340 --> 01:24:36,940
We just got them.

1811
01:24:36,940 --> 01:24:39,700
We just got two recon
interceptor bikes.

1812
01:24:39,700 --> 01:24:43,540
They're specifically made for
police, very heavy duty bikes.

1813
01:24:43,540 --> 01:24:47,800
And, if we want to be out there
patrolling, we need to have,

1814
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,280
we need to be able to paddle
and keep up with those guys.

1815
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:54,010
So do we have officers that
can go 0 to 60 and no hours.

1816
01:24:54,010 --> 01:24:55,970
No, because we have to be
within those restricted.

1817
01:24:55,970 --> 01:24:56,970
These are legal.

1818
01:24:56,970 --> 01:24:58,350
These are legal.

1819
01:24:58,350 --> 01:24:59,490
These are pedal assist.

1820
01:24:59,490 --> 01:25:00,530
These are pedal assist.

1821
01:25:00,530 --> 01:25:03,090
So you guys don't use segues
or anything like that.

1822
01:25:03,090 --> 01:25:04,770
No so you guys use this now.

1823
01:25:04,770 --> 01:25:05,970
Yeah they're great.

1824
01:25:05,970 --> 01:25:07,730
Yeah I tested them when
they brought them here.

1825
01:25:07,730 --> 01:25:08,630
They're fun.

1826
01:25:08,630 --> 01:25:09,130
They're great.

1827
01:25:09,130 --> 01:25:10,090
They're safe.

1828
01:25:10,090 --> 01:25:11,030
They're heavy duty.

1829
01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:14,210
So we got them
with a state grant.

1830
01:25:14,210 --> 01:25:16,810
There's a heat grant
that we got them with.

1831
01:25:16,810 --> 01:25:18,890
So I'd love to get two
more at some point.

1832
01:25:18,890 --> 01:25:21,290
Maybe put in for
it again next year.

1833
01:25:21,290 --> 01:25:24,550
So yeah, so far they've
been in the public's been

1834
01:25:24,550 --> 01:25:25,930
loving seeing them out there.

1835
01:25:25,930 --> 01:25:30,590
So this is the bike
flyer that's been out.

1836
01:25:30,590 --> 01:25:32,990
Obviously we put out
in two languages there

1837
01:25:32,990 --> 01:25:35,630
for everybody because
we'll have translation

1838
01:25:35,630 --> 01:25:40,430
services there as well tomorrow
night for that meeting.

1839
01:25:40,430 --> 01:25:44,190
So this is Vienna police
department reached out to us

1840
01:25:44,190 --> 01:25:45,610
and chief Janicki down there.

1841
01:25:45,610 --> 01:25:47,430
We're going to do
a rodeo with them.

1842
01:25:47,430 --> 01:25:49,970
Kind of these two
towns coming together

1843
01:25:49,970 --> 01:25:53,790
is that we're going to do a
safety bike rodeo down there.

1844
01:25:53,790 --> 01:25:55,090
At the end of the
month, we'll send

1845
01:25:55,090 --> 01:25:57,470
some of our motor units down
there, some of our bike team,

1846
01:25:57,470 --> 01:25:59,650
kind of a good fun
event with Vienna.

1847
01:25:59,650 --> 01:26:02,510
And then my hope was
to do one here locally,

1848
01:26:02,510 --> 01:26:04,690
maybe a little bit later on.

1849
01:26:04,690 --> 01:26:07,390
Get some of our businesses
involved with that as well,

1850
01:26:07,390 --> 01:26:08,890
and maybe invite in
one of the other towns

1851
01:26:08,890 --> 01:26:10,430
from North of us,
Leesburg or something,

1852
01:26:10,430 --> 01:26:12,510
to come down and do that, to
keep that chain moving up.

1853
01:26:12,510 --> 01:26:15,570
Percival and Percival
or yeah anywhere,

1854
01:26:15,570 --> 01:26:18,970
so we're just trying to
stay on top of things

1855
01:26:18,970 --> 01:26:22,890
get do the education part, have
a little fun with the families

1856
01:26:22,890 --> 01:26:24,730
and so that's good.

1857
01:26:24,730 --> 01:26:25,550
That's coming up.

1858
01:26:25,550 --> 01:26:28,910
So any questions I know I kind
of went quickly through that.

1859
01:26:28,910 --> 01:26:34,090
But how easy is it to
recognize some of this

1860
01:26:34,090 --> 01:26:36,390
as an officer looking
out, of course,

1861
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:38,670
you're not going to know if
they've souped it up unless.

1862
01:26:38,670 --> 01:26:41,110
Yeah so the ones
without the pedals,

1863
01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:42,090
that's the dead giveaway.

1864
01:26:42,090 --> 01:26:44,270
Like it's just it's
probably not there.

1865
01:26:44,270 --> 01:26:46,730
Well, and then there
should be a lot of them

1866
01:26:46,730 --> 01:26:50,200
should have plates that have
either information on the motor

1867
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:51,800
size, things like that.

1868
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:53,280
Our bike guys are
getting very good at

1869
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:57,040
of peeling back the layers to
check and see if these things

1870
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:58,060
are legal or not.

1871
01:26:58,060 --> 01:27:03,480
So some of the ones
that they're modifying,

1872
01:27:03,480 --> 01:27:04,960
a lot of the frustration
from the parents

1873
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:06,580
is they're bringing these
things into the bike shop.

1874
01:27:06,580 --> 01:27:08,013
So when they break,
because they don't last

1875
01:27:08,013 --> 01:27:10,720
very long because they're
delivered by Amazon

1876
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,480
and that the bike
shops here won't work

1877
01:27:13,480 --> 01:27:16,420
on them because they just can't
they won't say they won't do it.

1878
01:27:16,420 --> 01:27:19,000
So they're trying
to steer the parents

1879
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,840
towards those reputable
shops so buy something

1880
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,400
that at least should work.

1881
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:29,160
OK Other questions.

1882
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:30,460
Come out to the
meeting tomorrow night.

1883
01:27:30,460 --> 01:27:30,880
Thank you.

1884
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:31,700
Tell everyone about it.

1885
01:27:31,700 --> 01:27:32,480
Thanks Thank you guys.

1886
01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:32,980
Thank you.

1887
01:27:32,980 --> 01:27:46,080


1888
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:50,340
Thank you, bring up.

1889
01:27:50,340 --> 01:27:51,040
Thank you.

1890
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:53,460
I have no comments this evening.

1891
01:27:53,460 --> 01:27:58,100
And we will come into the room.

1892
01:27:58,100 --> 01:28:00,220
Kelvin, do you have anything.

1893
01:28:00,220 --> 01:28:05,220
Just want to say that our book
bag giveaway council member book

1894
01:28:05,220 --> 01:28:07,300
bag giveaway was a success.

1895
01:28:07,300 --> 01:28:12,140
We donated book bags for four
seasons for kids in the area.

1896
01:28:12,140 --> 01:28:13,800
We'll do it again next year.

1897
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,860
Hopefully so thank you.

1898
01:28:16,860 --> 01:28:21,340
OK, Susan, two
things I'll be quick.

1899
01:28:21,340 --> 01:28:24,700
First, I did want to make
a quick announcement.

1900
01:28:24,700 --> 01:28:32,620
The green lizard foundation
name of the race next year.

1901
01:28:32,620 --> 01:28:37,520
They're targeting April
17 or 24th of next year.

1902
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:39,160
So chief get your team ready.

1903
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:42,440
We're going to represent Herndon
proud with the law enforcement.

1904
01:28:42,440 --> 01:28:48,650
Yes So it's April 17 or 24th
since we have people listening

1905
01:28:48,650 --> 01:28:49,670
or watching the stream.

1906
01:28:49,670 --> 01:28:51,330
Can you explain
what you're talking.

1907
01:28:51,330 --> 01:28:51,830
Sure, sure.

1908
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:53,170
Yeah my apologies.

1909
01:28:53,170 --> 01:28:58,030
So the town set
aside a grant fund.

1910
01:28:58,030 --> 01:29:01,850
One of the requests came from
the green lizard foundation

1911
01:29:01,850 --> 01:29:06,250
to support a town what's
called a criterium.

1912
01:29:06,250 --> 01:29:08,570
It's a race within the town.

1913
01:29:08,570 --> 01:29:13,010
Laps so if you figure
10 heats, 10 laps

1914
01:29:13,010 --> 01:29:15,350
and it's a national
thing, it'll be regional.

1915
01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:18,210
There'll be
professionals, amateurs.

1916
01:29:18,210 --> 01:29:20,110
It's a serious race event.

1917
01:29:20,110 --> 01:29:22,790
Serious revenue
driver for the town.

1918
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:26,210
And I do want to thank
the council, the staff

1919
01:29:26,210 --> 01:29:28,610
and the police for
finally getting aligned

1920
01:29:28,610 --> 01:29:29,710
and getting this thing happen.

1921
01:29:29,710 --> 01:29:33,690
So April 17, 24th
next year and they are

1922
01:29:33,690 --> 01:29:35,610
interviewing race directors.

1923
01:29:35,610 --> 01:29:38,290
So this is going to
really put us on the map.

1924
01:29:38,290 --> 01:29:42,490
The other thing is I wanted to
be mindful of our discussion

1925
01:29:42,490 --> 01:29:45,230
in the closed meeting.

1926
01:29:45,230 --> 01:29:48,630
I'll ask that we
give these back.

1927
01:29:48,630 --> 01:29:53,470
But I wanted to share with you
all one of the requests that

1928
01:29:53,470 --> 01:29:57,470
has come from residents
regarding the Herndon Park

1929
01:29:57,470 --> 01:30:00,190
Station collection request.

1930
01:30:00,190 --> 01:30:03,170
I apologize for how I take these
because it printed out weird.

1931
01:30:03,170 --> 01:30:05,970
So all you got to do
is flip up on that.

1932
01:30:05,970 --> 01:30:09,230
So it's a very
nice presentation.

1933
01:30:09,230 --> 01:30:11,590
So bottom line here
and my ask here

1934
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:15,750
is really to can we discuss
this further in a future work

1935
01:30:15,750 --> 01:30:17,330
session with staff input.

1936
01:30:17,330 --> 01:30:22,150
Just because I think we want to
come up with a solution here.

1937
01:30:22,150 --> 01:30:24,910
So just a little background.

1938
01:30:24,910 --> 01:30:29,630
There is a situation
where historically

1939
01:30:29,630 --> 01:30:33,150
the trash bins
had been collected

1940
01:30:33,150 --> 01:30:36,910
by our disposal trucks.

1941
01:30:36,910 --> 01:30:39,530
Recently that was changed.

1942
01:30:39,530 --> 01:30:43,540
And I've documented from
the residents, the impact

1943
01:30:43,540 --> 01:30:45,860
that they're
grappling with today.

1944
01:30:45,860 --> 01:30:51,820
So if you look at page, I think
it's labeled number three.

1945
01:30:51,820 --> 01:30:55,100
There's some requests
there in terms of what

1946
01:30:55,100 --> 01:30:57,260
a potential solution could be.

1947
01:30:57,260 --> 01:30:59,720
And we still collect just
in a different location.

1948
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:03,900
And so that's the next
slide is page four.

1949
01:31:03,900 --> 01:31:06,820
So if you look at
page 4 you look

1950
01:31:06,820 --> 01:31:10,740
at how it's moved from
the private drive alley

1951
01:31:10,740 --> 01:31:14,580
into the street collection area.

1952
01:31:14,580 --> 01:31:15,720
There's some pictures there.

1953
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:19,980
There's some documented concerns
there that they voiced in terms

1954
01:31:19,980 --> 01:31:22,840
of how that's being
managed, not managed,

1955
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:27,300
but how it's contributing to
traffic flow on Park there.

1956
01:31:27,300 --> 01:31:31,980
So there are a couple different
concerns that neighbors have

1957
01:31:31,980 --> 01:31:34,980
voiced their documented here.

1958
01:31:34,980 --> 01:31:38,300
That's why I wanted to
make sure we get with staff

1959
01:31:38,300 --> 01:31:40,100
at a future work
session, to capture

1960
01:31:40,100 --> 01:31:42,920
some of these other concerns.

1961
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:48,280
In terms of some of the
historical components,

1962
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:50,880
it's been this way
for a long time.

1963
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:55,200
The concern is, can they get
it back to the way it was.

1964
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:57,320
So that's something we
should discuss and have

1965
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:59,440
a future discussion on.

1966
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:01,960
The last thing I want to
go through here just being

1967
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:05,500
mindful of what was discussed
in the closed session,

1968
01:32:05,500 --> 01:32:09,040
is there are some
options that I think

1969
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:13,920
are worth pursuing,
considering that would

1970
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,660
improve the quality of life.

1971
01:32:16,660 --> 01:32:19,580
And I go back to our
strategic focus on this.

1972
01:32:19,580 --> 01:32:20,960
We talked earlier.

1973
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:23,620
This is under good
governance, right.

1974
01:32:23,620 --> 01:32:27,120
It's about providing a
solution, a community

1975
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:32,920
centered service to a concern
that the residents would have.

1976
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:37,360
So I think it aligns well
with our strategic plan.

1977
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:39,710
Again, we're going to
need more data to verify

1978
01:32:39,710 --> 01:32:41,310
and validate with staff.

1979
01:32:41,310 --> 01:32:43,190
Some of those things.

1980
01:32:43,190 --> 01:32:47,030
So again, my request is I
know I can't necessarily

1981
01:32:47,030 --> 01:32:49,130
leave you all with this, but.

1982
01:32:49,130 --> 01:32:52,310


1983
01:32:52,310 --> 01:32:54,230
Try to digest it.

1984
01:32:54,230 --> 01:32:56,590
And I look forward to having
that future discussion

1985
01:32:56,590 --> 01:33:00,090
with staff on this topic at
some future work session.

1986
01:33:00,090 --> 01:33:01,950
So this is just
to bring everyone

1987
01:33:01,950 --> 01:33:05,890
up to date on what was
discussed in the closed session.

1988
01:33:05,890 --> 01:33:10,470
So, well, not what we
discussed in a closed session.

1989
01:33:10,470 --> 01:33:14,150
A concern, a concern to
talk about that I wouldn't

1990
01:33:14,150 --> 01:33:17,010
go into the details of this.

1991
01:33:17,010 --> 01:33:18,690
So that was my commitment to it.

1992
01:33:18,690 --> 01:33:20,910
But I did want to
get this on the books

1993
01:33:20,910 --> 01:33:27,070
to make that request to have
that future work session.

1994
01:33:27,070 --> 01:33:30,690
Those are the things that
I wanted to come up with.

1995
01:33:30,690 --> 01:33:36,990
And again, April 17,
the Herndon bike race.

1996
01:33:36,990 --> 01:33:38,210
Thank you.

1997
01:33:38,210 --> 01:33:43,170
OK no comments, Mr. mayor.

1998
01:33:43,170 --> 01:33:49,850
For me, so we did receive
speaking of inputs

1999
01:33:49,850 --> 01:33:56,410
from community about some
of our locations and grass

2000
01:33:56,410 --> 01:33:57,810
and other kinds of things.

2001
01:33:57,810 --> 01:34:01,390
I also have been seeing and
I'm sure it's on the list,

2002
01:34:01,390 --> 01:34:06,090
but one of our signs on Alden
street by Fairfax County

2003
01:34:06,090 --> 01:34:10,610
on that side, someone must have
hit it because it's really,

2004
01:34:10,610 --> 01:34:11,470
broken up.

2005
01:34:11,470 --> 01:34:13,970
Do we have especially
on the sign

2006
01:34:13,970 --> 01:34:18,730
like is what's the timing
those pillar sign things.

2007
01:34:18,730 --> 01:34:20,410
Oh, anytime.

2008
01:34:20,410 --> 01:34:22,070
Traffic signs knocked down.

2009
01:34:22,070 --> 01:34:23,370
Like, is it a traffic.

2010
01:34:23,370 --> 01:34:26,090
No it's that pseudo
brick entryway

2011
01:34:26,090 --> 01:34:27,670
that says welcome to Herndon.

2012
01:34:27,670 --> 01:34:30,390
And it's like, completely
askew and everything.

2013
01:34:30,390 --> 01:34:31,670
I'll have staff
look at that one.

2014
01:34:31,670 --> 01:34:35,680
And then are we
doing like I didn't

2015
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:40,020
necessarily see the other kinds
of tall grasses or whatever.

2016
01:34:40,020 --> 01:34:42,200
Maybe it's at a few
other locations.

2017
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:45,900
This is the heavy mowing season.

2018
01:34:45,900 --> 01:34:48,560
So we get to all of
those in a sequence.

2019
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:51,940
If there are specific locations,
we'll take a look at it,

2020
01:34:51,940 --> 01:34:53,180
and we'll look
into that as well.

2021
01:34:53,180 --> 01:34:53,680
All right.

2022
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:55,360
Thank you.

2023
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,980
And if you don't mind,
Mr. town manager,

2024
01:34:57,980 --> 01:35:01,200
I'd like to ask Madam
town attorney if she

2025
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:05,720
has an update on
parcel h, otherwise

2026
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:07,680
known as Comstock development.

2027
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:13,240
Sure I'm sure many of you
all, and folks at home

2028
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:16,960
are aware that the town filed
litigation against Comstock

2029
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:20,760
last year in the
Circuit Court of Fairfax

2030
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:24,760
County seeking return of the
Downtown real estate known

2031
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:27,320
as parcel h.

2032
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:30,560
The town's been waiting on a
decision from Fairfax County

2033
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:35,520
Circuit Court on the town's
motion for summary judgment,

2034
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:39,900
seeking a resolution
to the matter

2035
01:35:39,900 --> 01:35:43,220
without having to go to trial.

2036
01:35:43,220 --> 01:35:45,460
Also, at the same
time, there was

2037
01:35:45,460 --> 01:35:50,100
a trial set for September 14.

2038
01:35:50,100 --> 01:35:52,420
Coming up next week.

2039
01:35:52,420 --> 01:35:54,320
Late last week we
were contacted.

2040
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:57,620
The attorneys were contacted
by the Circuit Court judge

2041
01:35:57,620 --> 01:36:01,180
for Fairfax County, who
advised that she was going

2042
01:36:01,180 --> 01:36:08,060
to be entering an order
that would remove the trial

2043
01:36:08,060 --> 01:36:11,940
date of September 14
because she would be issuing

2044
01:36:11,940 --> 01:36:16,300
her opinion, her decision on
the town's motion for summary

2045
01:36:16,300 --> 01:36:18,080
judgment very shortly.

2046
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:22,780
And that would alleviate the
need for a trial in the matter.

2047
01:36:22,780 --> 01:36:27,280
So there is no trial
pending for September 14.

2048
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:32,660
We're expecting a decision
from the judge very imminently.

2049
01:36:32,660 --> 01:36:35,390
Any decision from
the judge, however,

2050
01:36:35,390 --> 01:36:37,810
will be subject to appeal.

2051
01:36:37,810 --> 01:36:40,890
And we will certainly
let everyone know when

2052
01:36:40,890 --> 01:36:43,570
that decision comes through.

2053
01:36:43,570 --> 01:36:46,050
Thank you Mr. town
manager, do you want

2054
01:36:46,050 --> 01:36:48,090
to close us out with comments.

2055
01:36:48,090 --> 01:36:56,290
I'll just say shout out
to my Public Works police,

2056
01:36:56,290 --> 01:36:58,310
both first responders
of the storms.

2057
01:36:58,310 --> 01:36:58,910
The past weekend.

2058
01:36:58,910 --> 01:37:04,130
We had a lot of trees down
intersections, a lot of folks

2059
01:37:04,130 --> 01:37:05,970
having to stand out
in the rain to make

2060
01:37:05,970 --> 01:37:07,890
sure our intersections
were safe,

2061
01:37:07,890 --> 01:37:10,930
crews coming in, getting
called in to clear trees.

2062
01:37:10,930 --> 01:37:11,730
Big effort.

2063
01:37:11,730 --> 01:37:13,650
And I also want to
include in this shout

2064
01:37:13,650 --> 01:37:17,130
out the IT department, because
the storm and the power outages

2065
01:37:17,130 --> 01:37:18,710
knocked out our entire network.

2066
01:37:18,710 --> 01:37:21,050
So IT department had a
lot of folks coming in

2067
01:37:21,050 --> 01:37:23,450
over the weekend, this past
weekend, on a holiday weekend

2068
01:37:23,450 --> 01:37:25,990
to make sure that our
systems were up and running.

2069
01:37:25,990 --> 01:37:29,870
Today when we got to the
office after the weekend.

2070
01:37:29,870 --> 01:37:31,830
So thanks to town staff.

2071
01:37:31,830 --> 01:37:34,110
Great thank you.

2072
01:37:34,110 --> 01:37:38,370
So we do need to go
into a closed meeting.

2073
01:37:38,370 --> 01:37:40,790
Is there a motion to go into
closed meeting under the code

2074
01:37:40,790 --> 01:37:42,750
of Virginia, pursuant to
the following a closed

2075
01:37:42,750 --> 01:37:47,010
meeting pursuant to the code of
Virginia, Section 2.2 3711 A1.

2076
01:37:47,010 --> 01:37:49,110
For discussion of
prospective candidates

2077
01:37:49,110 --> 01:37:53,070
relative to appointments
to boards and commissions.

2078
01:37:53,070 --> 01:37:53,850
So moved.

2079
01:37:53,850 --> 01:37:57,330
Second OK, I heard you
first for the motion,

2080
01:37:57,330 --> 01:38:00,390
and I'll take yours second.

2081
01:38:00,390 --> 01:38:03,190
OK I will ask the
clerk to call the roll.

2082
01:38:03,190 --> 01:38:04,310
Council Member.

2083
01:38:04,310 --> 01:38:05,330
Yes council member.

2084
01:38:05,330 --> 01:38:06,650
Garcia yes.

2085
01:38:06,650 --> 01:38:07,290
Council Member.

2086
01:38:07,290 --> 01:38:09,690
Lloyd Lloyd.

2087
01:38:09,690 --> 01:38:10,930
Yes council member.

2088
01:38:10,930 --> 01:38:11,770
Reyes yes.

2089
01:38:11,770 --> 01:38:12,830
Mayor LeBlanc.

2090
01:38:12,830 --> 01:38:14,370
And that LeBlanc is a yes.

2091
01:38:14,370 --> 01:38:17,750
So that carries 5 and
0 with two absent.

2092
01:38:17,750 --> 01:38:21,870
And it is 9:11 PM
I. Let's start again

2093
01:38:21,870 --> 01:38:25,740
at 9:15 to allow us to adjust.

2094
01:38:25,740 --> 01:38:31,000