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Okay, we're going to go ahead and get started. We have a full quorum and Steve is going to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance.

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A Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, are there any conflicts of interest? No.

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All right, approval of the minutes for July 15th.

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I'll make a motion to approve item 3.4.

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I'll second it.

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I'm motion by Heather, second by Darryl, all in favor.

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All right.

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Okay, 4.1.

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Review and consider approval of a conditional use permit for a home occupation daycare.

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This is for a day-on-a-day care.

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And right there is the subject property and

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the showing the vicinity of the map that is

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the high school just to the south of the property there and that is watchman way just to the north

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that north side road okay and then so for the long daycare the proposed home daycare

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provide children child care service supervision educational activities meals snacks and age

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appropriate play opportunities for up to 12 children the rooms in the house that will be

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used or living room kitchen and one upstairs bedroom proposed for the use.

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operating hours are going to be from Monday to Friday at 6 am to 5.30 pm and

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this is an R2 10 zone.

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This is showing the actual floor plan. You can see in the

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living room kitchen and then bedroom 2 is going to be the actual room that is used

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for the daycare for the rest area upstairs.

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And then so for the drop of a pickup

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plan this is a rear-load house so it has no direct rear entry door to it. So

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there's a proposal for a drop off and pick up plan for the front of the home since

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that is the only entry doorway other than the garage on the rear.

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So they're proposing to do drop a pickup on watch from way.

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It would be on the south side of the street or adjacent to the house there just for safety reasons.

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So kids are not crossing the road, so they're going to be coming out directly onto that sidewalk there.

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And there would be stagger drop off and pick up times.

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There was concern brought up about parking the parking situation on watch from way as during the year of its high school.

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there are parking that bleeds over into that roadway and there are husband parking concerns

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with the intersections but this is well away from the intersection so we just have to be

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worried about the high school parking bleeding over into there and then for the recommendations

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you can see number two number four is to bring up because in the original plan there was

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a front yard play area which is not permitted for our code so just to bring that up

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And then number seven would go over the drop of pickup operations, and the other one

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to point out is 14 that got added as there isn't HOA, so there would need to be HOA approval

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obtained for this.

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And do you have any questions?

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Okay.

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Discussion or emotion?

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Oh.

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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Does the applicant have anything they'd like to add?

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Discussion or emotion?

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I think this makes sense, I really do appreciate staff working with them on the access, so I'll make a motion to approve item 4.1 with staffs for 14 recommendations.

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A second.

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Motion by Adam, a second by Preston.

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Forest.

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Darryl.

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Yes.

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Adam.

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Heather.

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Preston.

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Okay. So that passes a

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quick question for you, Amanda. So on that last item 5.3, where it's

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going to be continued, do we just need to notice that now or can we wait until?

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For 5.8. You can acknowledge that now if you would like that way if there's any members

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of the public here for that, they can decide whether to stay or go as it is our last item.

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Okay. Thank you. All right. So for our last item 5.3, it will be continued to a future planning commission meeting, but we will still be holding a public hearing today.

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Okay. So procedure for public hearing. The purpose of the public comment policy is to allow citizens to address items on the agenda.

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Citizens requesting to address the commission will be asked to complete a written comment form and presented to the deputy city recorder.

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In general, the chair will allow an individual three minutes and a group five minutes.

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This policy applies to all public hearings.

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So four point to your review and consider approval of a preliminary flat for five lot subdivision.

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All right.

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So we'll be discussing bulls number five subdivision.

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This is slightly northwest of the euro that we're currently on.

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This is a little bit better of a map so you can see what we're working with.

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You can see that there are two lots currently highlighted together.

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They do equal that about two and a half acres and they are looking to do five lots and

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the lot sizes are fairly similar to the project that is to the west.

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Perfect.

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Okay, so it looks like we're slightly over 2.5 at 2.74.

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So they're looking to go down to a 110.

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Again, there are only five lots, so it is a 1.8 dwelling unit.

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Perfect, yes, so this continues to work with our objectives to keep low density residential

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areas in the surrounding neighborhoods, so as I said, that area to a U.S. does match with

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this level of density.

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So we just checked it against the A110 standards.

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it does meet them development-wise for engineering as water limitations are in effect right now

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when this can actually start construction will be dependent on

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the water tanks that are being built in south hills and Olympia and those are moving towards

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completion currently they're not largely in the future we're looking in like within the next year or so

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So, and then we are also looking for a long-term stormwater agreement that links to parcel A.

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That is the bottom corner on the right of this image.

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It's the smallest lot that's on there.

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And then this kind of T-road allows for potential development on the north side to create a connection

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to have kind of a U-shape between those two areas instead of just a cold sack on each one.

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and that also provides fire turn around for a temporary use.

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These are recommendations that were approval.

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The same is in the staff report.

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They have not changed.

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If you have any questions for me, I can help.

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And the applicant is also here.

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Does the applicant have anything they'd like to come up and add?

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Thank you.

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All right.

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We'll go ahead and open the public hearing

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and seeing none, a motion to close.

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Motion to close the public hearing?

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I'll second that.

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Okay, so motion by Heather, second by Adam.

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Forced?

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You should have all in favor.

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All right.

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And then discussion on our motion.

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I remember we had a discussion that was the well,

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even on this property that we had talked about,

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like a while ago.

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Sounds like no.

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I'm seeing them say shake their head.

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No.

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I mean, this one's pretty much cut and dry.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It was well on it, it would have been in the, the Alpha Survey, so so I'll make a motion to approve item 4.2 with staff's eight recommendations.

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I'll second.

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Motion by Brody, second by Heather Forest.

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Darryl.

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Adam.

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Heather.

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Preston.

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And Brody.

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All right,

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item 4.3, review and consider approval of a 10-plat preliminary subdivision.

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Okay, good evening, so I'll be presenting item 4.3 for the Bill Medal of Subdivision.

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So this is just a vicinity map to acquaint you all with the subject properties journal location

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within the city boundary.

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So this is just a zoomed-in map for the current zoning conditions.

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This parcel is zoned as A110.

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So the proposed subdivision is approximately five acres, it is zoned A110.

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There are ten lots proposed, they all exceed the 10,000 square foot minimum.

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It is also important to note that there will be a nine foot right away dedication and

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then improvements along Rose Canyon Road with this subdivision application, as well as a

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six foot precast wall.

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Staff would like to make you all aware that that precast wall is also currently on the plans.

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So staff findings were that the application, the subdivision does mean all of the lot

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with in areas, the requirements for the A110 zone.

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So again, that 10,000 square foot minimum as well as the lot withs required.

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They are also providing that precast wall in those right away dedication improvements from

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our engineering department other than the general restriction for the and pending the provision

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of the additional culinary water supply, there were no other significant concerns from our

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engineering department.

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So our recommendation is to approve this of division application

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with the following four conditions.

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Are there any concerns or questions?

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The applicants are also

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here as well.

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Okay, do we have any questions for Amanda? All right, does the applicant have anything

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Development team just want to say it's been great working with the city we're excited for this project

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We feel like it'll be a great addition of the city. Thank you.

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Let's go ahead and open the public hearing

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seeing none motion to close. I'll make motion to close what we're hearing

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a second

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Okay, motion by force was second by Heather all in favor

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discussion or a motion?

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I think it's straightforward.

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I think they address the water issues retaining all those things.

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I agree.

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So with that, I'll make a motion to approve items, sorry, 4.3 with staff's four recommendations.

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Okay, a motion by Adam, a second by Darrell Rodi.

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Or a press conference, sorry?

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Heather?

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Adam?

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Darrell?

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Yes.

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Enforced.

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All right.

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Adam 4.4.

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Review and consider or request for a new preliminary plot approval for Laguna Point subdivision.

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Good evening, commission.

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This is a project that I know the commission is familiar with as this is a request for approval of a project that had previously expired.

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I'll go through that timeline with you.

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Again, this is the approximate location of the area that is part of the subdivision.

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It is primarily zoned R1-15. There is some FR 2.5 zoning that clips three of the lots.

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That FR 2.5 zoning does have some site restrictions that will be reviewed as part of any building

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permit on those lots in the future if it were approved.

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The property was re-zoned by the City Council in 2015 to R1-15.

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As stated in report, the Planning Commission had approved a preliminary

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plaque in 2023. At that time, the city's preliminary

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plaque approvals had a two-year expiration term. By the end of

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that two years, it is expected that the final plaque would have been recorded.

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As with many of our development partners, these bigger projects, especially ones that have a dependency on other infrastructure, this development partner came to the city even before the expiration of that plan and had asked for a one year approval on May 7, 2025. Now, I apologize. There was just in producing the packet. It implied that that one year extend

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extension also expired in May of 2026, but technically that's a one year extension to the original deadline which would have been in July of 2025.

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So it was July of 2026 when that expired.

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And then the applicant had submitted a new preliminary application on July 30th, 2026.

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The applicant was aware of that expiration date.

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they have been working with their engineering department on the final review, and they were actually

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prepared or in the process of seeking signatures on that final plat when their preliminary plat had expired.

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And we do not have any other way of addressing that exploration other than having the applicant re-apply for a preliminary plat.

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and as the commission knows that does require a public hearing and so we had to

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re-notice this item. The acreage is about 40 acres. All lots are over

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.35 acres. The there is a zoning condition on the property when it was

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re-zoned the council said that the density the maximum density overall would be

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1.7 dwelling units per acre. The proposed density of the subdivision that's

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before he was 1.67 dwelling units per acre,

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so it complies with that zoning condition.

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And again, the features of this project are the same

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as what was initially approved by the planning commission.

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Obviously, there's been a lot of civil engineering work

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that has happened since you had seen this

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for preliminary approval.

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And as was described in our work meeting

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by our community director,

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there's been since then because of all of the MDA's that have been approved by the City Council around this site.

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There's also been those off-site improvements navigated as far as how water would be connected to this site through easements.

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And so that's been secured and resolved.

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Again, so as part of our findings, the development is complying with the zoning standards,

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which includes like minimum and lot widths, a lot area, it complies with that zoning condition.

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The engineering department has some standard kind of catch-all conditions of review on

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your on this, and there's also that requirement that anything that has more than 30 homes

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So again, staff has reviewed this and is recommending approval.

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Any questions at this time?

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The applicant is here, and as you know, again, this is a public hearing on this item.

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What's the joining MDA?

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So we've got the South Hills MDA in this area, and then also the panorama, which are right

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next to each other.

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the law such commercial is the developer that's been doing the South Hills project and they're the ones who have been

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building the water tanks, right, and there will be other

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you know infrastructure improvements as well, but but the

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the where the water lines would cross through a third party or other property owners

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those easements have been identified and have been secured and the roadways they tie into the

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Yeah, so on the on the map this Juniper Crest that section of Juniper Crest is there now

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Part that drive is also there

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currently, right and going behind the R215

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To the right that's that's a South Hills. Yeah, so that's future. I right. Yeah, future MDA. Yeah, okay. Yeah

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Thanks

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Does the applicant have anything they'd like to add?

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You

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just state your name

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Yeah, Matt Christiansen. Like Michael said, we've been working on the final

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plant process and working with staff to get the engineering and everything done.

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We've got a lot of grading. This will be a great subdivision and tying in the

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water to get zone four water for panorama and through that way connecting the

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water lines. So that's any questions for me.

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I don't have any. Thank you. Okay. We'll

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go ahead and open the public hearing. If you'll come forward and stay your name.

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Good

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evening. My name is David Gray and I live on Bartlett Drive and a couple of questions.

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Have you ever performed a geotechnical study or report?

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How can we get a copy of that?

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So if you'll just ask your questions and then we'll have the applicant come back at the end.

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Okay, that'll be fine.

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And since there was a study done because of the new changes, has the Geotechnical Report

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been updated for the current plan and construction methods?

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Does the report analyze a temporary and permanent global slope stability and predicted deformation

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that will affect existing homes?

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will the rock be ripped, hydraulically hammered, or blasted? And if so, what are the predicted

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horizontal and vertical ground movements that could affect the existing homeowners?

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Where will the temporary and permanent stormwater discharge do? And will the developer be funding

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independent pre-construction surveys and continuous vibration and movement monitoring?

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monitoring, will that monitoring data be provided directly to the affected homeowners?

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Will Bartlett Drive carry excavation equipment and hauling trucks?

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And how will the prior restriction limiting construction beyond 30 lots until two compliant

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public street access points affect phasing and emergency access?

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Thanks.

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I'm

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going to speak quickly so I don't go over time.

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Sorry, go ahead and state your name first.

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Yes, my name is Lindsay Maxfield.

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I live on Berkdale Drive directly across from Laguna Point.

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First, I want to thank the Planning Department and everyone involved.

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I gave them a list of punishing questions and Amanda was excellent in answering those.

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It's good to know we're in good hands.

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After reviewing those responses, I still continue to oppose the approval of Laguna Point.

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At minimum, I'm asking you not to approve it tonight.

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Your own staff report identifies post-pomant as appropriate when additional issues weren't

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further research and review, I believe that several of them do.

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First is emergency evacuation.

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I understand that gunpoint satisfies the requirement for access through Juniper Cress Road and Bartlett Drive.

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My concern is not whether the subdivision has two access points.

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My concern is that every neighborhood along this section of South Juniper from the bridge on down,

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We rely on Juniper Crest Road to leave the area, Bartlett feeds into it, and Panorama will add hundreds more homes while those

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Homes whose traffic will also feed into Juniper Crest. Two access points into a subdivision does not necessarily create two evacuation routes out of a

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Community. During a wildfire, we could have hundreds of households attempting to evacuate through the same corridor while emergency vehicles are trying to enter.

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before adding Luke and a point on top of the surrounding development have we modeled the cumulative evacuation capacity of the quarter under anticipated build out conditions, not whether each subdivision independently satisfies this access requirements.

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The question is whether all of us can actually get out. The second is culinary water, which was a point on your agenda there.

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The staff report states that development will be restricted pending adequate culinary water supply and

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We've already been over that so conditions as of this point have a materially changed since this development was originally proposed in

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2023 Utah is now under a statewide drought emergency following the lowest snowpack ever record in this recorded in the state

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These are not the water conditions under which the original proposal was evaluated and again this issue is cumulative

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Laguna Point is proposed at 68 homes, but Panorama just to the east of it is hundreds more.

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And all of them create permanent additional water demand in the same finite water system.

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These are dramatically different conditions, and they give us reason to pause and

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establish the basis for adequate water supply.

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Third is the general plan, and as I'm running out of time here, I understand that this land is privately owned,

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and that does come up with several, and we'll say it quickly, your hands may be tied, however.

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However, we do have a governing gap because our own cities general plan says our open spaces should be reserved, but these values have not been fully translated into enforceable ordinance.

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So basically by the time a plan gets to you, no one has ever stopped and said are we considering this, even though it's publicly owned, privately owned, are we considering this as part of and satisfying what we have set forward as a city in our governing plan.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Public comment.

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Public comment.

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Yeah.

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Or the applicant.

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Okay.

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State your name.

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Thank you.

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Reed Dixon.

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I'm with Infinity Consultants and I'm here speaking on behalf of the actual buyers of

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the project and just wanted to emphasize that the application complies with every standard

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for a conventional subdivision according to the ordinance in the zoning.

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So there aren't any exceptions or negotiated points.

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It's basically a conventional subdivision that's compliant with the code in every way.

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And I think all of these questions will be easily answered.

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Thank you.

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Steve Augustus, if they're easily answered, why are they going to be answered?

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We deserve answers now.

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Now, you stopped the gentleman here from continuing to try to get answers, because you said we get answers.

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When are we going to get the answers?

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So we'll let the applicant.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Okay, is there any more public comments?

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Hi, my name is Dan Rivers.

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I live on the Juniper Bend Circle, right below the proposed development.

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My main question was touched on by the first gentleman that spoke concerning storm drain.

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It's a very steep slope.

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I don't know the slopes of the streets they're proposing to put in there, but I'm concerned

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from a drainage point of view of most of that water is most likely coming to the intersection

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right there and just curious, yeah, what's the storm drain plan, what's being detained,

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what's being retained, yeah, and where does it discharge, where does it go from there, and

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and are the pipes leading downhill from there,

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are those appropriate capacities

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to add that much new drainage,

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that will be moving at really fast rates on a steep slope.

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So that's just a question I'd like the answer to.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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If you want to come back real quick,

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you didn't take your whole two minutes.

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Steve, we're going to ask this again.

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I live on Bartlett.

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And so, I've been a long time,

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a funny dutty about the curb that is on June of

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Procrest, if you look at that, what do they call it,

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Parkstrip, that's an absolute eye sore to the city.

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Well, when it's not full of wildflowers like it is right now

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with tons of mounds of dirt, if you had seen it before all

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of this was going in, you would see the rivers and of water

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that goes through and creates channels through that dirt.

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It has washed out the people who live on this junior

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progress side.

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Their backyards have gone to shit, excuse my language,

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because of the, and that's before any of this is going in there.

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So these questions are very legitimate.

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It affects the cities, the park strip there.

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So you need to be aware of it.

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What it's going to do, because as I'm told from the mayor,

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We're going to be spending over a million dollars in this fall to or a spring next year to make that pretty

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Well, it's not going to be too pretty if water just washes it all the way. Thank you.

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Okay, is if you come forward and state your name

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Aaron Maxfield. I live at 466 or 4663 Westbrookdale. I

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understand that the

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overall

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subdivision has met the requirements. But how does that tie into everything else in

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that area? Because as they're talking about this as a standalone subdivision, how does

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that tie into everything else? And then as part of that, what type of dust mitigation

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is there? Because our homes are now covered in dirt, dust, everything else. They blasted

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on the back side of the...

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We're there on the other subdivision that's going in and shook everything similar to what you would see like at Hill or Camp William. Sorry. So we're just wondering, you know, how does that all tie into everything because I know they're looking at this as an individual subdivision. But how does that tie into the existing subdivisions that are there too? So thank you. Thank you.

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I

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think we're, I think we're going to go ahead and close the public hearing motion.

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I move to close the public hearing.

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In a second.

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Second.

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Adam and Brody, all in favor?

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Okay, so if the applicant would like to go ahead and come back and adjust some of those items.

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Matt Cushinson.

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So, for the geotechnical report, we do have a geotechnical report and

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And we'll follow all of the findings in that as far as blasting and any technical

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recommendations provided by the geotech that will be on site to monitor those things.

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And to keep the existing homes safe.

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If we, as for storm drain, we do have a retention pond that is in the top right corner that

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catches water for about a third of the subdivision and discharges it into Juniper Crest Road,

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slows down the water from our subdivision and releases it the city's allowable rate.

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And then for the other half, we catch water and take it out to the east to the existing

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panorama pond that is currently being upsized and has capacity through easements and agreements

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that we have for that water.

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The homes that are going in here and the grading that will take place will actually improve the storm water that is currently just running off of the hill into the road right now.

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We have a drainage plan that staff has approved and any other further design questions will continue

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to be approved and gone through with the final plat tonight, we're just asking for the preliminary plat approval.

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So

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I know they had mentioned blasting and gas mitigation, is that how are you like?

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There is bedrock on the site, the exact method that the builders decide to use, I'm not sure.

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But for, there will be dust mitigation, that's part of the city's pre-construction checklist.

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that we have to have that and at Final Platt and same with blasting you know we will follow the

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city's ordinances for that. And I would like to add that the project will require a

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sweat and fugitive dust control as part of the construction permitting. Can you explain what

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sweat means so everybody understands?

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Stormwater pollution prevention plan. Yeah pollution

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I just want to make sure the residents understand.

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So there will be protection for the stormwater,

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for the downstream areas during the construction process.

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Those are just not part of this stage of review,

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those that part does come later with the construction permitting.

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Do you think it'd be helpful to have engineering tell them a little bit more about

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that process, I don't know if they're comfortable?

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Like stormwater prevention, like what mitigation has done?

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I was like filtering dirt and stuff down the storm drains.

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That and I think an explanation a little bit of the difference between preliminary

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plat and final plat and construction.

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They're all different.

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I can cover both of those things.

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Thank you.

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So storm water pollution prevention plan goes through all the means and methods of contractor

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will be required to use to keep storm water flows on the side, keep still things like that

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from leaving the site, Amanda mentioned the dust mitigation plan as well, similar thing to keep dust on the site.

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To answer the other question, preliminary versus final and then construction, so people kind of understand.

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Yeah, yeah, so preliminary is kind of what we're looking at now, lot layout, road layout.

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These basics, final includes all the details of engineering, water line sizing, detention pond sizing, which has already been done.

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And when would a previous approval, now a construction at that point, they'll hold a pre-construction

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meeting, and that's when they come in and get their stormwater pollution prevention plan approved.

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And you know, get going with the project.

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So construction of roadways and stuff does not happen until after the final plan?

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Yes, that's correct.

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So they'll have 100% reviewed and approved drawings by the engineering and other departments

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It's unified fire reviews those, the fire department reviews those, water department, public works, the sewer district as well, so all those things are checked at that point, so they're 100% good to go and then they're allowed to hold a pre-construction meeting only after that time and once all their stormwater protection methods are put into place can they begin construction.

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And maybe this is for the city, I honestly can't remember.

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Why did we miss the deadline of the original approval?

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Can someone just share that just so everybody understands?

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Yeah, so I really, the holdup was getting the zone for tank built and connecting to that.

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For the physical construction of the tank.

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I think physical construction of the tank providing water for this area took longer than initially thought and a lot of effort and private money to help get that done.

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Thank you.

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So to clarify, you are providing a culinary water tank for this development.

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We are, I don't know if we're participating, but we are providing, we're not building

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a tank.

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No?

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We are providing a route for the culinary water lines to connect.

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Yeah, a little bit to that.

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So yeah, this project's been held up because of the water infrastructure.

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Panorama, DAI, they took out a pit and bonded for that tank.

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So the city's not building it, the developer's building it.

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It's a zone three and zone four water tank.

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They're both constructed.

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There's a pump station under construction right now,

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just off of Mountain View corridor and Academy Parkway.

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That tank, or that pump station will be complete mid August,

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or mid September, sorry.

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And then the line will be commissioned,

471
00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:07,990
and then it's just getting the water lines to this project,

472
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:13,130
which the Laguna Point developer and Panorama developer

473
00:38:13,130 --> 00:38:20,590
as I'll work together to secure the easements, so they're in control of their own destiny now to get water to their project.

474
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:22,030
That's what's been holding it up.

475
00:38:22,430 --> 00:38:31,430
Blake, to clarify, so it's been determined, there's sufficient water from Jordan Valley to supply this development and the other developments of the area.

476
00:38:31,810 --> 00:38:36,610
Yeah, this development was contemplated in the master plan before panorama was.

477
00:38:36,730 --> 00:38:41,690
When panorama was brought in, we updated the master plan to verify we had the water shares and water storage.

478
00:38:41,690 --> 00:38:48,390
That's where we identified the need for the zone 4 and zone 3 tanks and the upsized pump station for actually

479
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:51,530
Wasatch which was already approved that panorama

480
00:38:52,750 --> 00:38:58,410
Increased above what rose crest already had and if I remember I that's been quite a bit of time, right?

481
00:38:58,970 --> 00:39:03,990
Sorry, that's been a quite a bit of time since that approval and discussion correct. Yeah panoramas

482
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:09,590
I think they were all approved in 2023 so it was all about that time 2024

483
00:39:09,590 --> 00:39:11,210
So, yeah, it's been a couple years.

484
00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:14,750
The Water Master Plan was updated in 20 years earlier this year.

485
00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:15,450
Thank you.

486
00:39:15,530 --> 00:39:18,710
So, really, this was more just a delay because of the take, this is what I'm here.

487
00:39:19,130 --> 00:39:20,590
Because of the water infrastructure.

488
00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:26,770
And then the Juniper Crest Road was something that was concerning, and

489
00:39:26,770 --> 00:39:29,250
so Panorama had the requirement to complete that road.

490
00:39:29,550 --> 00:39:35,270
And the landscaping that was discussed earlier, Panorama is going to complete that as an off-site improvement for their project.

491
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:39,030
and just as an update, Juniper Crestro was paved today.

492
00:39:39,570 --> 00:39:40,470
When will it open?

493
00:39:41,310 --> 00:39:47,150
It's supposed to open probably within the next three to four weeks.

494
00:39:47,410 --> 00:39:51,610
We're trying to get the signal up and running on Mountain View.

495
00:39:52,210 --> 00:39:55,410
And seeing that all at the same time, so we're timing it all together.

496
00:39:55,730 --> 00:40:00,490
And so the signal project is a city project and Juniper Crest is the panorama project.

497
00:40:00,730 --> 00:40:04,130
So trying to get two different contractors and two different projects

498
00:40:04,130 --> 00:40:09,290
time together, it can be a little challenging, but it'll be open before November, I believe.

499
00:40:09,830 --> 00:40:10,510
Okay, thank you.

500
00:40:10,730 --> 00:40:10,750
Yep.

501
00:40:11,150 --> 00:40:19,150
Blake, will you touch on, so when they talked about access and emergencies, can you just kind of touch on?

502
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:22,970
So the fire department has to review this and approve that there is adequate.

503
00:40:24,270 --> 00:40:30,150
Fire marshal sits in all of our development review committees, they review the plans, they stamp them approved.

504
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:35,710
And the requirement is two access points if you go above 30 lots.

505
00:40:37,290 --> 00:40:42,030
And then you'll tie in to Barlett Drive, which would go down.

506
00:40:42,110 --> 00:40:45,670
But there's also additional connections, as you can see, as Panorama builds out.

507
00:40:46,250 --> 00:40:48,730
And then the one connection on the Juniper Trail Drive.

508
00:40:49,150 --> 00:40:53,030
So yeah, those are the requirements set forth in code.

509
00:40:53,490 --> 00:40:56,610
And that's how the fire marshal reads it.

510
00:40:56,610 --> 00:41:02,730
And just typically from final plat since where this is preliminary to actual construction

511
00:41:02,730 --> 00:41:04,910
of about how long are we talking?

512
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:10,810
Since the June of Procrest is done in November, just want to make sure, manage the expectations here.

513
00:41:11,070 --> 00:41:12,550
Well, historically not specifically.

514
00:41:12,590 --> 00:41:19,250
Historically, so typically plans take a few months to approve from preliminary plat to final

515
00:41:19,250 --> 00:41:22,270
plat where the plans have already been reviewed and approved by engineering.

516
00:41:22,270 --> 00:41:34,750
They could begin construction, I wouldn't see pavement going down on this until next spring or summer just because pavement plants shut down between October and April.

517
00:41:35,530 --> 00:41:43,830
And so yeah, you'll see infrastructure, the sewer and the water and everything going in over the winter in the best case scenario.

518
00:41:44,290 --> 00:41:47,830
And then pavement as early as April, May next year.

519
00:41:48,350 --> 00:41:49,030
Thank you.

520
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:50,450
And one more question.

521
00:41:50,990 --> 00:42:13,610
I seem to recall last time this was up for discussion, there was some concern from Fire Department that the two access points of Bartlett Drive and the Juniper Child Drive were basically one access point because they're right there next to each other and that it was discussed as to whether or not a separate access point would be available before the full development was completed.

522
00:42:13,610 --> 00:42:19,470
did. Can you touch on that? Remind me what the final discussion was on that?

523
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:27,430
Josh might have better information on that. And I do believe that the next one up from

524
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:34,350
Bartlett, that's on Panorama's plan coming up within the next year. So I think by

525
00:42:34,350 --> 00:42:37,070
the time you see 30 homes in there, that road will be connected.

526
00:42:37,070 --> 00:42:43,750
Yeah, this road that ties in east just above Bartlett Drive is called Helen's Drive.

527
00:42:44,310 --> 00:42:51,810
That is in the next plant that Panorama is working on and will be built together, I mean,

528
00:42:52,510 --> 00:42:58,270
not together, but pretty close to simultaneously, we'll have the connection before we have

529
00:42:58,270 --> 00:43:01,210
a separate outlet, essentially, from that area as well.

530
00:43:01,650 --> 00:43:06,030
I will say also the last time this was approved, a condition of approval was they can have those

531
00:43:06,030 --> 00:43:08,350
30 lots with just those two points.

532
00:43:08,510 --> 00:43:15,090
Yeah, and then they simply cannot have, they can't build any more homes until they have a second access available.

533
00:43:15,410 --> 00:43:18,770
And that has carried over to this as well.

534
00:43:19,390 --> 00:43:23,050
And we're not counting that as two access points if I recall, correct?

535
00:43:23,470 --> 00:43:28,190
Bartlett and Juniper Trail, that's only one considered one access point from the fire department's perspective.

536
00:43:28,530 --> 00:43:30,790
So it really would have to be that eastern road you're describing.

537
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:38,450
So they can have the 30 like C of O's basically certificate of occupancy so people can live in there.

538
00:43:38,970 --> 00:43:46,510
And if they would like to go above that, that second access point, Helen's Drive needs to be available.

539
00:43:46,690 --> 00:43:49,130
And it sounds like they're on track for that to happen.

540
00:43:49,390 --> 00:43:55,870
But there is that condition of approval that they can't exceed that until there's availability for evacuation.

541
00:43:55,870 --> 00:43:58,850
It just sit there until that happens.

542
00:43:59,030 --> 00:44:03,290
That Helen's drive was part of the water line easement, so there's an easement for that.

543
00:44:03,570 --> 00:44:05,910
So they're in control of their own destiny with water and

544
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:07,050
roadway for that.

545
00:44:07,610 --> 00:44:08,070
Yeah, okay.

546
00:44:08,770 --> 00:44:12,890
So I have a question as far as some people brought up like blasting or

547
00:44:12,890 --> 00:44:14,910
chiseling at the bedrock that's there.

548
00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:19,790
Are you guys doing the construction or just the horizontal improvements development?

549
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:36,310
I'm just the engineer, so I know that there is a home builder that will be doing the horizontal and home building together, but I'm, yeah, I don't have an answer for that.

550
00:44:36,310 --> 00:44:47,470
I also recall, and it's a very minor detail, but the mini half-circle, the South West of the

551
00:44:47,470 --> 00:44:53,850
coldest act that is basically a dead end for right now, I remember that that is a half-circle,

552
00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:57,710
just for fire departments purposes of turning around, but then once the full development

553
00:44:57,710 --> 00:44:59,970
comes out, I know I can't tell you.

554
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:21,080
How to use your land, but I would recommend that you eliminate the half circle, so we don't have extra road we have to take care of unnecessarily, but just a reminder for that. There will be a second phase to this that continues. So we would like that to give more, more to that lot.

555
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:32,860
Madam Chair, just for the record, the general plan does identify locations of open space.

556
00:45:33,620 --> 00:45:48,900
That open space is property that the city already controls or has negotiated with if we were to put open space designations on property that we don't own that could be considered potential taking.

557
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:58,540
And this particular area in the general plan is master or the general plan says it's neighborhood residential one.

558
00:45:58,540 --> 00:46:05,600
So this Laguna point project is not in our master plan as open space.

559
00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:08,360
It's identified for development.

560
00:46:09,540 --> 00:46:13,100
The open space is further up the hill, on the side.

561
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:15,820
Thank you.

562
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:16,460
Any

563
00:46:19,540 --> 00:46:20,440
more questions for the developer?

564
00:46:20,820 --> 00:46:23,240
Okay. Discussion or emotion?

565
00:46:32,030 --> 00:46:34,870
I'm sorry, I don't know what your procedure is, I know I already gave them to you.

566
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:35,570
Were you Lindsay?

567
00:46:35,970 --> 00:46:36,090
Yes.

568
00:46:36,290 --> 00:46:38,630
So did you provide emails to the staff?

569
00:46:39,390 --> 00:46:43,910
I did, but this issue about evacuation was not in the email.

570
00:46:44,050 --> 00:46:44,810
Can I say the fact?

571
00:46:44,930 --> 00:46:46,430
Well, I think they addressed evacuation.

572
00:46:46,990 --> 00:46:50,170
The fire department has to approve it.

573
00:46:50,170 --> 00:46:55,910
So, what I've heard discussed is the two access, which goes to Bartlett and June the

574
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:56,110
press.

575
00:46:56,510 --> 00:46:57,650
But to get...

576
00:46:57,650 --> 00:47:03,150
So, this area, which we have is moving down now, if you go to Rose Press, then June of

577
00:47:03,150 --> 00:47:04,150
her goes all the way up.

578
00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:09,170
By the time you get to the bridge, every single column along here, the only way we can leave

579
00:47:09,170 --> 00:47:11,330
our homes in neighborhoods is by June the press.

580
00:47:12,030 --> 00:47:13,250
So, adding a second...

581
00:47:13,250 --> 00:47:17,930
What related each way, so adding a second access just puts them into Bartlett.

582
00:47:17,930 --> 00:47:22,810
Bartlett still everyone has to access on the juniper to get out and again

583
00:47:22,810 --> 00:47:26,550
okay so we've connected it to Mountain View. I don't know how many hundreds of

584
00:47:26,550 --> 00:47:30,950
homes are for the bridge on up in addition to the high density but at the end of

585
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:35,550
juniper press. I think there's a wildfire out there. How are we all going to get

586
00:47:35,550 --> 00:47:39,890
out and have to go on the juniper press? So I understand we're saying the fire

587
00:47:39,890 --> 00:47:47,770
marshal approved the two access points but I'm asking to zoom out and look at the

588
00:47:47,770 --> 00:47:53,370
These requirements for the plans don't take into account the conditions that are

589
00:47:53,370 --> 00:47:57,650
exist and what else is being built in there or ran around specifically.

590
00:47:58,110 --> 00:47:59,830
That might be a question about gene requests.

591
00:48:00,290 --> 00:48:00,830
Hi, Lindsay.

592
00:48:00,870 --> 00:48:03,470
Would it be all right if I provided some context for that as well?

593
00:48:03,730 --> 00:48:07,330
So the two points that you're referring to going to Juniper Cress and Bartlett drive are not

594
00:48:07,330 --> 00:48:09,850
being viewed as two points by unified fire.

595
00:48:10,350 --> 00:48:15,070
So what we're seeing is that won't be acceptable to exceed more than 30 homes, specifically

596
00:48:15,070 --> 00:48:16,450
to address your concern.

597
00:48:16,450 --> 00:48:21,330
So, the only way that they can exceed those 30 certificates of occupancies, so essentially

598
00:48:21,330 --> 00:48:25,970
having 30 homes with occupants, will be to make the connections that you're going to see

599
00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:27,050
kind of in the orange here.

600
00:48:27,570 --> 00:48:31,650
So you kind of see where that R dash 2 and then you can kind of see where 15 cuts off and

601
00:48:31,650 --> 00:48:33,510
those kind of lines that are over in that orange.

602
00:48:33,850 --> 00:48:39,830
That road south Bartlett is going to have to connect over and then be able to connect to

603
00:48:39,830 --> 00:48:43,270
Wharton and move and be able to move all the way through the rest of Panorama, who also

604
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:45,610
has other outlets to the corridor as well.

605
00:48:45,610 --> 00:48:51,430
On top of that, there will be another future access point, if you look kind of way, way,

606
00:48:51,490 --> 00:48:57,310
way south, and it's kind of going off into what's also showing is the R1-15, that will soon

607
00:48:57,310 --> 00:49:03,330
have applications in, again, also part of Panorama, but will also be another one of those access points.

608
00:49:03,850 --> 00:49:08,710
So essentially, the Unified Fire Authority has said they do not accept Junipercress and Bartlett

609
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:11,630
as two separate. They only accept it as the one.

610
00:49:11,630 --> 00:49:19,650
So they will only be able to do 30 homes until one of these other two points of access are fully open and fully operational.

611
00:49:19,690 --> 00:49:29,290
Amanda, what I'm hearing you say is they'll have it platted, but literally they can't sell the land or build any more than 30 homes until that extension heads over the orange.

612
00:49:29,630 --> 00:49:29,870
Correct.

613
00:49:30,690 --> 00:49:30,770
So.

614
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:31,330
Yes.

615
00:49:31,630 --> 00:49:32,330
Does that.

616
00:49:32,330 --> 00:49:49,890
And there it is, a traffic study that takes our 68 lots plus all of the other traffic that is in the surrounding neighborhoods that's provided as part of the final plasmiddle and the construction drawings that is approved by engineering.

617
00:49:51,130 --> 00:49:52,630
It's accommodating at all.

618
00:49:52,630 --> 00:50:03,630
Yeah, so they take the traffic counts and see how much traffic this would apply to those roads to determine if they need to be widened.

619
00:50:08,460 --> 00:50:08,980
Sure.

620
00:50:11,020 --> 00:50:12,920
Can we stop the...

621
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,100
Sorry, we can't have like back and forth the public hearing is closed.

622
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:19,640
So if you do have questions you can ask staff or the developer after.

623
00:50:20,740 --> 00:50:23,860
All right, so discussion with the Planning Commission or Emotion.

624
00:50:23,860 --> 00:50:27,880
So honestly, I hear totally here of the passion, totally understand it.

625
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,920
This has been part of the plan the entire time, honestly, we've been waiting for the tank in order for it to continue.

626
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,360
So I would like to make a motion if somebody can open up the.

627
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,780
Hold on, yeah, I'm ready, there's no reason, there's no reason.

628
00:50:41,580 --> 00:50:46,000
Mike, my comment, first of all, I appreciate the public's involvement.

629
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:53,080
It's rare that we get this big of a group in here and I'm sympathetic towards a lot of the comments.

630
00:50:53,080 --> 00:51:01,900
I believe that the city should do what we can to develop new open space to even preserve wild areas.

631
00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:06,140
Fire protection is a big thing in our city as is water.

632
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:14,120
But it sounds to me that our staff has already addressed that through various engineering studies,

633
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:18,500
through their technical skills in assessing those reports.

634
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:24,740
with that said, this development does meet our codes.

635
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,880
So I'm ready to second Adam's motion.

636
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,240
You've been eroding me to say aye.

637
00:51:33,140 --> 00:51:35,840
So with staffs, I can't remember if it's four.

638
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,740
I don't know where this slide is, but recommendations.

639
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,200
Okay, so motion by Adam, a second by Darrell.

640
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:44,480
Yes. Yes.

641
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:45,480
Darrell. Yes.

642
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:46,300
Adam. Yes.

643
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:47,140
Heather. Yes.

644
00:51:47,140 --> 00:51:47,820
It's pressed in.

645
00:51:47,860 --> 00:51:48,020
Yes.

646
00:51:48,140 --> 00:51:48,520
And Brody.

647
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:48,980
Yes.

648
00:51:49,420 --> 00:51:49,660
Okay.

649
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:51,640
All right.

650
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:55,820
Item 5.1, review and consider approval of request him in the Hermann City's zoning map.

651
00:52:05,780 --> 00:52:05,960
Okay.

652
00:52:06,180 --> 00:52:07,740
I will be presenting item 5.1.

653
00:52:07,740 --> 00:52:11,760
It's a rezone at 13727 south 7300 west.

654
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:22,780
Go for it.

655
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:23,160
You're good.

656
00:52:23,540 --> 00:52:23,620
Okay.

657
00:52:24,340 --> 00:52:28,300
So this is just the vicinity map again to quit you all with the approximately location of

658
00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:30,080
the subject property within the city boundary.

659
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:38,500
So this is the zoomed-in zoning map of the partial and the property that has the application in.

660
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:41,580
So it is currently zoned as A143.

661
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:48,000
It does have A143 adjacent and then A121 kind of across the road from there.

662
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:58,220
And then as you can see, there are other areas that are zoned A110 within approximately 300 or so feet from this subject property.

663
00:53:00,700 --> 00:53:05,680
So some existing conditions to note is that this is a single-family home and it does have

664
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,080
a detached structure that serves as a shop with the current property owner.

665
00:53:09,580 --> 00:53:15,140
It does contain about .75 acres and again it is in A143.

666
00:53:15,580 --> 00:53:23,720
The rezone request is to rezone to the A110 agricultural single-family zone just to refresh

667
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:26,000
that is a 10,000 square foot minimum.

668
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:36,280
So just again to kind of walk through the purpose statements between the two zones, the A143's purpose is to provide areas in the city for

669
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:45,780
load density residential development and the agricultural uses and the A110 is its purpose is to provide areas in the city again for load density residential

670
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:50,000
development together with limited agricultural uses.

671
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,780
So this is our future land use map.

672
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,520
This subject property is zoned as neighborhood residential one.

673
00:53:59,060 --> 00:54:02,920
So A110 does comply with that future land use map.

674
00:54:05,170 --> 00:54:05,930
Questions on that?

675
00:54:06,590 --> 00:54:09,350
It never, there is nothing, go back to that slide real quick.

676
00:54:09,870 --> 00:54:10,150
Yeah.

677
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:14,930
There's nothing more dense than that, correct, though?

678
00:54:15,870 --> 00:54:16,770
As of the A110.

679
00:54:17,230 --> 00:54:19,670
Well, I'm saying, as larger, I should say.

680
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:27,290
that there's residential one is also the same as residential A-143 and A-110, correct?

681
00:54:27,850 --> 00:54:29,490
I believe that yes.

682
00:54:29,490 --> 00:54:35,190
There's not a distinguish is my point between residential one, it's all of the residential

683
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:35,770
zones.

684
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:36,590
So really?

685
00:54:36,790 --> 00:54:36,970
Yes.

686
00:54:37,290 --> 00:54:37,430
Okay.

687
00:54:37,630 --> 00:54:38,290
I just want to make sure.

688
00:54:39,050 --> 00:54:40,670
I believe so.

689
00:54:40,890 --> 00:54:41,010
Yes.

690
00:54:41,930 --> 00:54:48,110
And then as you I'm sure you know we then in the future land use map do start to designate

691
00:54:48,110 --> 00:54:49,130
out those two and three.

692
00:54:49,410 --> 00:54:49,810
General point.

693
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:59,920
Okay, so we did, and the planning and zoning department

694
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:02,540
find that the proposal is compatible with land uses

695
00:55:02,540 --> 00:55:04,920
associated with the future land use map designation

696
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:05,800
the general plan.

697
00:55:06,340 --> 00:55:08,420
And we did find that the proposal complies

698
00:55:08,420 --> 00:55:10,280
with the standards of review.

699
00:55:10,460 --> 00:55:13,780
So again, they can meet that 10,000 square foot requirement

700
00:55:13,780 --> 00:55:14,960
for an A1 10 lot.

701
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,060
Kind of as we also previously discussed,

702
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,540
the personal does it meet sizing requirements

703
00:55:19,540 --> 00:55:20,900
to go to an A1 21?

704
00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:28,880
And so the only way for the applicant to pursue a second single family dwelling on that property would be to drop to the A110.

705
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,860
So our engineering department found no significant concerns.

706
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:42,020
Our city engineer did also review this in addition to Josh primarily because of its proximity to the Gina Road Infrastructure Project.

707
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,720
But again, I did want to note that it is subject to the water availability restrictions.

708
00:55:47,720 --> 00:56:01,180
We did discuss that with the applicant, the city engineer, and myself, and that doesn't pose any problems or issues with him moving forward with an eventual plan in the future, should you choose to approve or provide the recommendation to approve this?

709
00:56:03,060 --> 00:56:17,380
So considering these findings, staff recommends the Planning Commission for Depositive Recommendation to the City Council to amend the Harman City official zoning map for the .75 acres of property located approximately at the 1-3-7-2-7.

710
00:56:17,380 --> 00:56:21,860
and South 7,300 West from A143 to A110.

711
00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:25,100
Are there any other questions that I can answer for you all?

712
00:56:26,020 --> 00:56:28,720
No, but can you go back to the little graphic?

713
00:56:29,660 --> 00:56:30,160
Oh, yes.

714
00:56:30,420 --> 00:56:32,700
And I think Lauren also confirmed your question.

715
00:56:32,900 --> 00:56:33,660
I have the answer.

716
00:56:34,780 --> 00:56:39,420
So the A143 and R143 are agricultural.

717
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:45,260
The neighborhood residential one applies to A121,

718
00:56:47,380 --> 00:56:52,220
ten are both in there and then as well as several residential zones as well.

719
00:56:52,420 --> 00:56:55,060
Cool. Can you just go back to the overall zone map for me?

720
00:56:55,220 --> 00:56:55,640
Oh, yes.

721
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:57,900
That's the one.

722
00:56:58,100 --> 00:56:58,360
That one?

723
00:56:59,060 --> 00:57:01,780
Just for later.

724
00:57:02,060 --> 00:57:02,320
It's okay.

725
00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:04,640
I'll ask you questions in a minute.

726
00:57:04,860 --> 00:57:06,400
Did anybody else have any other questions?

727
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:14,840
Okay.

728
00:57:15,180 --> 00:57:15,580
Discussion?

729
00:57:17,790 --> 00:57:23,050
I did want to ask about the comment to possibly restrict this to two lots.

730
00:57:23,630 --> 00:57:23,770
Yeah.

731
00:57:24,070 --> 00:57:24,430
That's what that was.

732
00:57:24,790 --> 00:57:25,150
That's my.

733
00:57:25,250 --> 00:57:26,190
This is a public hearing.

734
00:57:26,190 --> 00:57:29,010
We needed a public hearing, we also have an applicant.

735
00:57:29,530 --> 00:57:30,210
Okay, yep.

736
00:57:30,910 --> 00:57:31,670
Thank you.

737
00:57:32,090 --> 00:57:33,570
Yeah, does the applicant want to?

738
00:57:33,890 --> 00:57:35,870
Does the applicant have anything they want to add?

739
00:57:45,590 --> 00:57:46,350
Let's see your name.

740
00:57:46,530 --> 00:57:47,250
I'm Jordan Irman.

741
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:51,630
And we currently live there just looking to build a house for a family member.

742
00:57:52,050 --> 00:57:54,570
So not trying to ruin anyone's life.

743
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:56,110
It's kind of freaked me out this meeting.

744
00:57:56,990 --> 00:57:58,750
I guess hopefully it was extreme.

745
00:57:59,050 --> 00:57:59,450
I don't know.

746
00:58:00,290 --> 00:58:02,550
But be glad you're in here and sit down in that hallway.

747
00:58:02,550 --> 00:58:06,410
Yeah, I was like, oh my, I hope no one stands up when it comes to us.

748
00:58:06,810 --> 00:58:09,590
But yeah, I appreciate you guys' consideration.

749
00:58:10,670 --> 00:58:12,350
Are there any questions at all I could answer?

750
00:58:12,810 --> 00:58:13,230
I don't have any.

751
00:58:13,550 --> 00:58:13,710
Okay.

752
00:58:14,030 --> 00:58:14,390
Thank you.

753
00:58:14,590 --> 00:58:14,910
Thank you.

754
00:58:15,390 --> 00:58:17,930
Okay, we'll go ahead and open the public hearing at this time.

755
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,320
Seeing none, motion to close.

756
00:58:23,700 --> 00:58:25,060
I'll make a motion to close the public hearing.

757
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:25,760
I'll second it.

758
00:58:26,620 --> 00:58:28,040
Forest and Adam, all in favor?

759
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:28,560
Aye.

760
00:58:33,980 --> 00:58:37,000
Like for me, I think seeing what's around it,

761
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:42,480
I'm probably just putting a restriction to have two building lots, even though three are possible with the zoning.

762
00:58:43,340 --> 00:58:47,280
I agree with you, but honestly, I'm struggling.

763
00:58:49,300 --> 00:58:55,600
I've been here a long time for planning commission and I remember when all of these weren't A110 and it was all going to be 143.

764
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:04,800
And we made people have to go like the scenic view, scenic hills, scenic meadows, scenic view.

765
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:13,600
Like, they had to go and work with 20 other land property owners to try and make those become the density we're trying to say and so I

766
00:59:14,460 --> 00:59:22,640
Totally agree at least to is what I'm going to say, but I do struggle with the idea of us continually just letting it

767
00:59:23,220 --> 00:59:26,320
Get smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller now

768
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:34,780
I know so to me I kind of like the idea of I like a 110 if they combine a bunch of properties and fix it and make it a better

769
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:41,360
product. So that's that's just I mean for me one thing that I think is a plus is you

770
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:47,160
have two access points on gene road and 7300 West. Yeah but what do you do on the one

771
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:52,220
right next to it when they try to develop? What's that? What do you do with the one right next to it

772
00:59:52,220 --> 00:59:59,640
when they try to develop? I guess they're in a flag lot yeah I don't really like that again I actually

773
00:59:59,640 --> 00:59:59,780
personal

774
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,780
I have no problem with this and I get the idea and the intention. I just, to me, whenever we did 110, any of the blue you see, to be honest, including the A1 town 10 in blue sades or down in a filled stone, those were all because they were working as a master development to improve all of those lots. So I actually hear what you're saying, Brody, completely, but I'm still struggling with the idea of this just, we might as well.

775
01:00:29,780 --> 01:00:37,940
say everything should be one ten here and we made developers do things to get

776
01:00:37,940 --> 01:00:43,440
to that level. So that's where I personally am just struggling with that. So

777
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:50,000
the zoning condition at least makes sense to me and we need to specify why so

778
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:55,900
that every lot along there I mean look at all these crazy flag lots up above by

779
01:00:55,900 --> 01:01:01,040
desert, Brumbi, Drive, and everything. I just worry we're just going to keep getting it.

780
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:06,820
And we already know, I mean, you know better than anyone, Bernie, 7300 West is not the

781
01:01:06,820 --> 01:01:14,220
most traversable road as it stands. So it's just something to think about as we say. So

782
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:23,400
I just wanted to throw that out there because I remember seriously when we were fighting

783
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:31,820
for those A-121 lots out of the 143s and those meetings taking four hours to talk about

784
01:01:31,820 --> 01:01:34,160
those two lots right across the street.

785
01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:41,500
I do also want to step in and remind that in our general plan this is neighborhood

786
01:01:41,500 --> 01:01:49,600
one which is a smaller zone than the A-143 you're seeing that is in line with the city's

787
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,440
current plan for the future of the city.

788
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:52,020
General plan?

789
01:01:52,760 --> 01:02:01,340
I think it's also important to realize that I'd much prefer a single lot being subdivided

790
01:02:01,340 --> 01:02:10,080
for two other properties than an entire block of lots that are all made into a subdivision

791
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:11,120
that are tiny.

792
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:17,600
I mean, you know, this lot by lot is much more for that than kind of just the wholesale,

793
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,500
you know, restructuring the entire neighborhood.

794
01:02:21,180 --> 01:02:24,800
I agree if you would have called it I121, but I guess just because the loss is too small

795
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:30,140
that we can't call it out, that's the issue is because this lot happens to be too small.

796
01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:35,460
That's why that's the only reason we're going to 110, that's my struggle, right?

797
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:40,620
I recognize what you're saying and I can definitely understand where you're coming from.

798
01:02:40,620 --> 01:02:48,940
I mean, I guess on this situation, which is probably why you're also saying, this situation isn't

799
01:02:48,940 --> 01:02:50,480
per se why you have a problem.

800
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:55,560
It's just the area in general because this particular lot maybe isn't the problem.

801
01:02:55,900 --> 01:02:56,220
No, it's not.

802
01:02:56,980 --> 01:02:58,320
This is not my issue.

803
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,700
It's the principle of establishing many of those.

804
01:03:03,180 --> 01:03:03,860
Go ahead.

805
01:03:04,340 --> 01:03:09,880
So, I just want to note on this property, it was subdivided, I think in 2006ish.

806
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,220
It was a full, the right size.

807
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:18,320
So you could do a half acre lot, but they dedicated right away for the roadways.

808
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,360
And so when they did that, they lost the right away.

809
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:25,920
They went to it from a county lot to a legal conforming lot so they could build this house.

810
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:26,360
Yes.

811
01:03:26,620 --> 01:03:30,900
Then you just got me sold on the idea, but we need to make sure we specify that.

812
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,400
All the other lots wouldn't have had to do that because they weren't on the corner.

813
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:35,580
You have a right away.

814
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:36,960
Because they had to give double right away.

815
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:46,260
But again, we need to tie that to this motion so that people understand why this is different than every other lot going down that.

816
01:03:46,340 --> 01:03:47,220
That makes sense.

817
01:03:49,530 --> 01:03:55,830
I guess also though, for this area, I mean, what's stopping people from doing 80 use down the road instead of just subdividing.

818
01:03:56,710 --> 01:03:57,430
That's true.

819
01:03:58,330 --> 01:03:59,430
I love perspective.

820
01:04:00,490 --> 01:04:10,070
But that could happen anyway, if he's just like, like, let's say that I'm not saying that I know it would be coming, but let's say I know okay, I mean, it's just like, okay, I'll just do an AD.

821
01:04:10,350 --> 01:04:13,930
I mean, there's a lot of, there's a lot of trailers that those could be AD as I'm just saying.

822
01:04:15,250 --> 01:04:16,730
You're only a lot of one AD per.

823
01:04:17,250 --> 01:04:18,530
Right, that's all he's longing though.

824
01:04:18,830 --> 01:04:21,230
Now we're going from one to four, right?

825
01:04:23,250 --> 01:04:24,450
All right, I'm good.

826
01:04:27,460 --> 01:04:29,180
Does anybody else want to talk before I make a motion?

827
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:36,620
I'll make a motion from item 5.1 with to approve, recommend approval for this.

828
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:44,760
For the reasons that they donated land already, that is the only reason I would recommend

829
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:50,180
it to be a 110 with a zoning condition of no more than two lots for this property.

830
01:04:50,820 --> 01:04:51,240
Second.

831
01:04:51,860 --> 01:04:54,640
Okay, a motion by Adam, a second by Brody.

832
01:04:55,020 --> 01:04:56,800
Can we get a clarification real quick?

833
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:04,760
If you're making a motion, putting the stipulation because they've donated land, I want to

834
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:05,720
count the committee.

835
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,480
So this is a recommendation for approval to the City Council.

836
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,160
I want them to hear why I said approval.

837
01:05:11,740 --> 01:05:11,940
All right.

838
01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:15,800
Just wanted to clarify, make sure I understood the motion.

839
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:16,760
Thank you.

840
01:05:17,180 --> 01:05:17,400
Okay.

841
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:17,760
Forest.

842
01:05:18,660 --> 01:05:19,100
Yes.

843
01:05:19,380 --> 01:05:19,640
Darrell.

844
01:05:20,260 --> 01:05:20,480
Yes.

845
01:05:20,740 --> 01:05:20,980
Adam.

846
01:05:21,420 --> 01:05:21,920
Heather.

847
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:22,460
Yes.

848
01:05:22,620 --> 01:05:22,980
Preston.

849
01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:23,280
Yes.

850
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:24,840
and Brody? Yes. Okay.

851
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,340
Five point to your review and consider a proposed master development

852
01:05:32,340 --> 01:05:33,760
agreement for Black Clover.

853
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,920
I thought about asking Blake to present this but whereas this

854
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:52,060
is really the product of the hard work or our economic development team which Blake manages.

855
01:05:53,480 --> 01:06:00,380
This is an item that we have previously discussed in our work meeting and we presented on a different

856
01:06:00,380 --> 01:06:12,580
of property in the city. So this is a potential development partner and business that we are anxious to see come to the city if possible.

857
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:27,520
This is the property that they are currently looking at, different from what we saw before. It is zone C2 and the MDA, the purpose of the MDA is to look at opportunities to modify the underlying zone

858
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:35,220
to achieve some type of good or service or objective that is consistent with the city's values.

859
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:39,820
This potential development would bring jobs.

860
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:45,040
It's a very visible notable company that is currently operating within our region.

861
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:54,740
It would require, though, some light manufacturing and it is a fulfillment center so they will be shipping and selling it all free-tailed and wholesale.

862
01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:21,720
The operating hours are stated within their proposal, but just by way of reminder, typically we do not have an hourly restriction on our commercial businesses if a business in a commercial district wanted to operate 24 hours, they can't we don't typically have a restriction on operational hours where this one is adjacent to a residential neighborhood.

863
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:31,900
I think we were looking at some things to communicate or explain what would that impact be potentially on this adjacent neighborhood and again the property is about seven.

864
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,040
But we've got all wrong.

865
01:07:34,980 --> 01:07:37,680
Yeah, I was going to ask you what's going on here.

866
01:07:38,220 --> 01:07:43,600
What is the one bedroom living room kitchen and one upstairs bedroom for a fulfillment.

867
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:47,400
Okay, I don't think that was for black clover.

868
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,300
Okay, I apologize, there's something that went wrong in that production.

869
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:58,280
But the materials are in your packet, yeah, applicant is represented here tonight.

870
01:08:00,220 --> 01:08:09,720
One of the features of this MDA, as was discussed, is this is a structure that we had previously

871
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:15,560
negotiated in the MDA and then on the Crescent parcel with the Audemont Group.

872
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:22,740
So it's basically bringing that same negotiated design embedding into the MDA and approving

873
01:08:22,740 --> 01:08:24,400
it as part of the overall MDA.

874
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:29,820
Now this is a recommendation to the City Council because it is essentially like acting

875
01:08:29,820 --> 01:08:32,100
like a modifier of the zoning code.

876
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,820
So you would have a public hearing on this tonight and make recommendations to the City Council

877
01:08:36,820 --> 01:08:40,380
and they make the final decision on this.

878
01:08:41,180 --> 01:08:43,540
Any questions for staff at this point in time?

879
01:08:44,540 --> 01:08:46,360
Just for the record, there's no.

880
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:49,160
No, I apologize.

881
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,480
And engineering has worked with this group as far as like access.

882
01:08:57,820 --> 01:09:03,020
And yeah, we've also been cognizant of looking at how we can mitigate sound

883
01:09:04,060 --> 01:09:07,660
through landscaping and other features which I think really

884
01:09:08,060 --> 01:09:10,400
Blake can better address if necessary.

885
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:17,800
So I also want to clarify you mentioned operating hours, but I I suspect yeah, those operating hours that were noted were also

886
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:23,700
Yeah, I apologize I apologize. I had just assumed that that was an element of the MDA agreement. Okay. Yeah

887
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:32,430
Again, this was an economic development tool, so thank you. Thank you. Does the applicant have anything they'd like to add?

888
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,320
You come forward and state your name

889
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:36,280
Thank

890
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:46,220
you. My name is Sean Slime and I represent Black Clover on this project.

891
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:53,220
This is a project that we have been looking for many years for a good partner, a good relationship

892
01:09:53,220 --> 01:10:03,490
within a community to be able to put a basically the home spot for a homegrown business.

893
01:10:04,290 --> 01:10:10,090
So this is going to just continue to inject just the economic development within the city.

894
01:10:10,090 --> 01:10:16,910
There's going to be max 80 employees out of this space, but one of the main things is being

895
01:10:16,910 --> 01:10:22,690
able to take a large-scale building with such a unique building tucked in the backside

896
01:10:22,690 --> 01:10:28,170
of a retail community, but then also activate the front of this building with a retail

897
01:10:28,170 --> 01:10:32,430
component where there's going to be retail components with Black Clover as well as other

898
01:10:32,430 --> 01:10:34,590
retailers that we're going to also lease out to as well.

899
01:10:34,590 --> 01:10:40,870
So, overall, we're trying to integrate, you know, a big box that's going to allow for

900
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:45,830
kind of a mixed use feel to it and then just continue to support the community with additional

901
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:50,230
jobs as well as just tax base. So, can you say what kind of jobs those are for those that are

902
01:10:50,230 --> 01:10:58,650
not aware? Yeah, so it will be a warehouse more of like a distribution situation. And right now,

903
01:10:58,650 --> 01:11:04,970
know, they have out of this location, they're kind of segmented, so they've got multiple

904
01:11:04,970 --> 01:11:07,730
locations right now and they're going to be isolating this as more of their corporate

905
01:11:07,730 --> 01:11:14,350
headquarters here. So it's going to have all-level jobs from warehouse to, of course, the CEO

906
01:11:14,350 --> 01:11:17,010
and president of the company. It's going to be off the scene out of here.

907
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:18,390
Cool. Thank you.

908
01:11:18,830 --> 01:11:19,130
Thank you.

909
01:11:19,790 --> 01:11:19,870
Yeah.

910
01:11:20,450 --> 01:11:20,930
Thank you.

911
01:11:20,990 --> 01:11:21,250
Thanks, guys.

912
01:11:22,270 --> 01:11:24,110
Okay, we'll go ahead and open the public hearing.

913
01:11:24,110 --> 01:11:25,010
a

914
01:11:29,870 --> 01:11:36,330
motion to close. I'll make a motion to close. I'll second. Heather and Brody Allen

915
01:11:36,330 --> 01:11:36,590
favor.

916
01:11:38,750 --> 01:11:49,750
Okay discussion or a motion. So real quick you have four recommendations. Is that correct?

917
01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:51,110
Yeah.

918
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,780
Well it says one two seven and eight. So I don't know if there's eight or there's four.

919
01:12:10,740 --> 01:12:16,520
I'm excited to have a bigger company come to our city for economic development personally.

920
01:12:17,300 --> 01:12:20,060
And just the different scope of jobs that will be available.

921
01:12:21,020 --> 01:12:27,360
And also recognizing that this is a tough, very tough piece to develop there.

922
01:12:30,660 --> 01:12:31,760
Better than in church or school?

923
01:12:35,740 --> 01:12:42,540
Yeah, it looks good to me. I'll make a motion to approve item 5.2.

924
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:49,100
I'll recommend approval for item 5.2 with staffs for recommendations.

925
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,960
I'll second then. Motion by Heather. Second by Brody. Brody.

926
01:12:54,180 --> 01:12:57,440
Yes. Preston. Yes. Heather. Yes. Adam. Yes.

927
01:12:57,440 --> 01:12:57,760
Yes.

928
01:12:58,060 --> 01:12:58,480
Darryl.

929
01:12:58,760 --> 01:12:59,080
Yes.

930
01:12:59,300 --> 01:12:59,820
And for us?

931
01:12:59,940 --> 01:13:00,120
Yes.

932
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:04,800
So just to note, this item in the last item will go to the City Council for approval.

933
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:06,240
All right.

934
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:07,240
5.3.

935
01:13:07,660 --> 01:13:07,960
Thank you.

936
01:13:09,100 --> 01:13:09,220
Good.

937
01:13:09,300 --> 01:13:09,520
Thank you.

938
01:13:10,180 --> 01:13:13,020
This item will be continued to future puning commission meeting.

939
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,680
Review and consider request to amend chapter 10.

940
01:13:16,900 --> 01:13:18,460
But we do have to have the public hearing.

941
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:19,080
Public hearing.

942
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:19,900
Just step one.

943
01:13:20,740 --> 01:13:22,260
We don't want to talk or say.

944
01:13:22,620 --> 01:13:22,820
Okay.

945
01:13:23,140 --> 01:13:24,640
So we'll go ahead and open the public hearing.

946
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:27,900
I move to close the public hearing.

947
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:30,660
Go ahead and close the motion.

948
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:32,880
Adam and do we have a second?

949
01:13:33,340 --> 01:13:33,540
Second.

950
01:13:34,740 --> 01:13:36,180
Adam and Forest, all in favor?

951
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:37,080
Okay.

952
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:38,480
Discussion or motion?

953
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,040
It's been-

954
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:42,720
Oh, we are continuing.

955
01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:43,820
Thank you.

956
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,220
Can I have a close already?

957
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:47,800
I think she's going to say.

958
01:13:48,060 --> 01:13:48,980
Is there any comments?

959
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:49,640
No, I don't have a comment.

960
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:50,460
Yeah, you can have.

961
01:13:51,880 --> 01:14:00,120
So today, during the public hearing, we had a member bring up some evacuation items and

962
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,720
not something that's, I live hillside so it's very important to me.

963
01:14:04,300 --> 01:14:09,640
I would love as a commission to see what the city has planned and I think at one time

964
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:16,660
it was our operations, the head of operations here, that was creating a plan for that.

965
01:14:16,660 --> 01:14:19,560
I would love to see what the city has prepared.

966
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:21,040
Great.

967
01:14:21,580 --> 01:14:23,260
You mean like an evacuation program?

968
01:14:23,260 --> 01:14:23,800
That's great idea.

969
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:25,140
That'd be a great idea.

970
01:14:25,700 --> 01:14:28,860
Like what are we doing some of that?

971
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,860
And if there's anything that we can do as a commission

972
01:14:31,860 --> 01:14:35,220
to potentially plan better for natural disasters,

973
01:14:35,220 --> 01:14:37,640
I remember going to a class on natural disasters.

974
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,260
I think we could compare, we could also

975
01:14:40,260 --> 01:14:43,860
So I'll bring the end of that week and I'll take a lot of

976
01:14:43,860 --> 01:14:45,000
that for the candidates.

977
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:45,540
Right.

978
01:14:45,860 --> 01:14:49,060
And maybe to be the refresh on what are some of those

979
01:14:49,060 --> 01:14:50,500
events involved in these?

980
01:14:52,690 --> 01:14:54,830
Like what Heather brought up because there has been,

981
01:14:54,890 --> 01:14:57,450
there have been major fires here in Haramon, right?

982
01:14:57,730 --> 01:14:58,910
And we've been on the news many times.

983
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:59,910
And.

984
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,980
The community actually knowing, like, hey, for your house, this is the best route to go. So people actually know what to do. I know that there's a plan, right? Yeah, I agree with what you're saying. And I also think it would be really cool to think about. How do we in the future make it so that we don't effectively make juniper crests to dead end things like that? And we approve a subdivision. They all keep adding on. And we know that the fire department says 30%.

985
01:15:29,980 --> 01:15:34,820
in 30 and 30, but you could still get a heck of a lot of homes on a very large road that

986
01:15:34,820 --> 01:15:40,280
could, I know Juniper Crest is almost done, but we need to be more protective on.

987
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:44,340
We probably shouldn't have got as far as we did with Juniper Crest.

988
01:15:45,060 --> 01:15:49,440
If you really think about it, it could have sat not advancing for a very long time.

989
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:56,120
We may want to consider some standards to protect, you know, for effectively this road.

990
01:15:56,120 --> 01:16:03,880
I mean, think of Rose Cain, if it didn't come out by Butterfield Park, it would have been one giant dead end for everybody along there.

991
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,560
So it's just, it's something we probably need to think about as a city a little bit more.

992
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:12,420
I will say, we follow the lead of the UFA very heavily.

993
01:16:14,060 --> 01:16:21,040
The 30 is not a bright line, it is a threshold that they can enforce.

994
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:27,200
or if they feel like there are mitigation, like alternative measures, they can do that.

995
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:33,640
I know that we were talking about temporary roads as an exit and

996
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:39,960
whether or not the UFA would accept that, but they really are the kind of the guardians of that threshold.

997
01:16:41,740 --> 01:16:44,180
But I don't think it's hard to have that.

998
01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:47,440
But based off that, what I would argue, I kind of agree with the residents.

999
01:16:47,440 --> 01:16:51,400
Once you cross the bridge, there shouldn't be more than 30 homes.

1000
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:53,500
We have a heck of a lot.

1001
01:16:54,460 --> 01:16:55,240
Artery connections.

1002
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:59,080
Were you 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, chunk them together, and then I get that, too.

1003
01:16:59,860 --> 01:17:04,020
I personally think we may need to consider some type of standard to protect us so we don't

1004
01:17:04,020 --> 01:17:07,140
get into that, because if they did, UFA did sign off.

1005
01:17:07,140 --> 01:17:07,760
I get it.

1006
01:17:08,100 --> 01:17:13,160
But if people can't literally get out, that would go back to the lawsuit to the city.

1007
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:19,400
are saying that if the UFA is saying this is unsafe, we're not willing to support it.

1008
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,820
We're not working to convince them otherwise.

1009
01:17:23,220 --> 01:17:25,720
We're following their lead on what they are determining.

1010
01:17:26,180 --> 01:17:27,040
No, and I totally get that.

1011
01:17:27,260 --> 01:17:31,640
I personally don't know that they're completely thinking about if all of that is evacuating.

1012
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,640
And they're trying to respond to the fire.

1013
01:17:34,780 --> 01:17:36,200
Are they looking at macro or micro?

1014
01:17:36,900 --> 01:17:41,520
Because I would imagine they're thinking more house fire, wildfire for 30 lots,

1015
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:46,320
votes, host distance, but when we really talk about what we're talking, what the resident

1016
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:51,860
proposed, the whole hillside on fire, and everybody has to leave across that bridge,

1017
01:17:51,860 --> 01:17:55,020
and if the truck is blocking everybody from leaving.

1018
01:17:55,300 --> 01:17:58,120
Maybe we have even a representative from the UFA at that.

1019
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:03,860
I was going to say I think that would be helpful as we are not the leading body on this.

1020
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,340
As staff, we can only do so much.

1021
01:18:07,340 --> 01:18:15,300
If a resident called and asked me this question, I would direct them to Dave, our UFA representative.

1022
01:18:15,900 --> 01:18:19,740
So I think it would be wise to have him come and look into that stuff.

1023
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:27,560
The only other comment I would make is we do also have north and south roads.

1024
01:18:28,440 --> 01:18:35,460
If the hillside is on fire, not every single person needs to go east to Mountain View Corridor.

1025
01:18:35,460 --> 01:18:41,380
If the goal is away from the fire, there are other roads that can support leaving.

1026
01:18:41,780 --> 01:18:50,820
I agree behind the bridge becomes a different story, but there is not only a singular road to leave that entire neighborhood.

1027
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:55,580
Which it feels like we are kind of scaling to that kind of conversation.

1028
01:18:56,100 --> 01:19:01,340
To be honest, the reason I'm applying mine is literally when Mountain View started today.

1029
01:19:02,020 --> 01:19:03,140
Providence started today.

1030
01:19:03,140 --> 01:19:09,300
literally you can't get out of that area very quickly so I'm just saying if

1031
01:19:09,300 --> 01:19:14,340
you think about a fire it'd be the same type of thing where yes eventually you

1032
01:19:14,340 --> 01:19:19,320
could get out but probably would block all police and fire from getting in and

1033
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:22,580
that's where I think we need to say that usually when we have discussions with

1034
01:19:22,580 --> 01:19:27,700
Dave Mills about the volume all exactly to your point when you've got 30 and 30

1035
01:19:27,700 --> 01:19:32,460
and 30 all dumping onto the same road Dave does actually look at the widths of the

1036
01:19:33,060 --> 01:19:37,160
So he does take into consideration whether it's a material, whether it's a collector.

1037
01:19:37,820 --> 01:19:41,020
What size it is and what the capacity is as well.

1038
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:43,000
So that is also part of his review.

1039
01:19:43,480 --> 01:19:47,880
And engineering does also take that into consideration in that collaborative discussion.

1040
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:54,380
It doesn't exactly to your point address a plan with specific direction to residents.

1041
01:19:54,760 --> 01:20:01,780
But it is at least part of those conversations very regularly because Davis is also concerned about that capacity and

1042
01:20:01,780 --> 01:20:03,800
and that ability to move that much volume

1043
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:05,160
and he does consider it.

1044
01:20:05,180 --> 01:20:07,560
Yeah, Juniper Crest is almost as wide as 134,

1045
01:20:07,740 --> 01:20:08,440
if not wider.

1046
01:20:08,620 --> 01:20:08,840
Wide.

1047
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:13,020
No, it totally is, but it dead ends into those criss-cross roads

1048
01:20:13,020 --> 01:20:14,040
which you can't get you about.

1049
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:18,240
That's my point is it doesn't flow.

1050
01:20:18,740 --> 01:20:18,860
Right.

1051
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:23,600
We've made it so it actually blocks everything

1052
01:20:24,140 --> 01:20:26,100
without the connection we're talking about.

1053
01:20:26,260 --> 01:20:27,300
So in November, we're fine.

1054
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:27,720
Yeah.

1055
01:20:28,060 --> 01:20:31,320
It's just, it literally doesn't flow like everybody thought it

1056
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:34,700
Wood, if you really think about the way we all thought it would be developed, Rosecrest Road

1057
01:20:34,700 --> 01:20:38,240
would have been built years ago, not the residences along that.

1058
01:20:43,430 --> 01:20:43,910
Okay.

1059
01:20:44,130 --> 01:20:44,470
Thank you.

1060
01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:46,010
Future meetings next.

1061
01:20:46,190 --> 01:20:46,730
City Council meeting.

1062
01:20:46,910 --> 01:20:47,590
August 26.

1063
01:20:47,870 --> 01:20:48,690
Next Planning Commission meeting.

1064
01:20:48,850 --> 01:20:49,530
September 2nd.

1065
01:20:49,530 --> 01:20:50,530
Motion to adjourn.

1066
01:20:51,550 --> 01:20:51,690
Second.

1067
01:20:52,090 --> 01:20:52,590
Item Heather.

1068
01:20:52,590 --> 01:20:53,070
All in favour?

1069
01:20:53,610 --> 01:20:55,470
All right.

1070
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:07,980
It would have been a disaster to see you interrupted the unit and say the same thing, yeah, just five minutes before.