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Are they bombing? where you were living
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» I was in Washington state. So, no, but
>> still

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can never be too safe. [cough]
>> We heard about it and so they just went

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and grabbed a TV and plugged her in.
>> That's when back when Philips TV

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for three and a half years.
>> Were you like the class where they like

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wheel in the big box TV and plug it in
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» No, we had TVs like hanging.
>> Yeah. Box. Yeah. Boxy.

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» Is that what you did all day basically
that day at school?

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» No. Ping shut it off and made us take a
quiz.

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» Call them two guys living through.
>> That's what we made. That's what we made

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at ours. 25 27s 32s.
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» they were so heavy.
>> That's the most Mr. Paint thing actually

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ever. He probably was sitting at his
desk like this like he wanted.

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» We're going to get started tonight.
Thank you for being here. We got a

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special council meeting in regards to a
buyer truck purchase. Pastor, can you do

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a prayer for us since you are here with
Pastor Steve? Thank you. We'll do a

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prayer and then pledge. [clears throat]

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» Let me pray. Lord, again, we just uh
thank you for everything that you do.

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And Lord, tonight I do pray for our
first responders. I ask that you give

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them protection. I ask that you give
them wisdom and guidance. Lord, I let

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ask you that you just light the path
that they have. Lord, I pray for our

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council and uh all the supporting uh
actors, so to speak. Lord, continue to

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give them strength and uh perseverance
also. Lord, we just thank you. We praise

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you in Jesus name. Amen.
>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, liberty and
justice for all.

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» All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks,
pastor. Uh, roll call.

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» Here.
>> Basset

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» here.
>> Valena

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» here.
>> Miller here.

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» Conw.
here. [clears throat]

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» All right. Um,
>> kind of put this in a a cap. Fire

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department's been uh looking at
proposals. We talked at last council

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meeting. They went back had a meeting to
look at uh the stuff that Mickey sent

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in. Um
then they had the conversations with

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Mickey with a couple of the other um
companies that were submitting bids. But

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at this point in time, they're ready to
make a decision, I believe. but they

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wanted to have council present. Um this
is a big big purchase for the fire

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department every big purchase for the
community. Um it's a truck bar after

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many many years and uh they put a lot of
effort and time into looking at what is

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needed, what they want, all that thing.
So at that point I will pass it on to

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who's your spokesperson? You
>> he's will be a spokesperson but I want

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to personally say I want to thank y'all
for taking time out to comment. I

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realize this is a big purchase for the
village, but the hope and the goal today

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is to hopefully have everyone listen and
hear uh our side of it and why we are

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doing what we are wanting to do and here
to answer all the questions that you

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guys may have to help [clears throat]
get to a decision so we could get this

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truck moving forward in the process of
getting built so we can meet the

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deadlines of FEMA and that sort of
thing. Um, so our ultimate goal today is

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to try to [clears throat] have everyone
listen. So then that way you guys have

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an insight with going in and making a
decision on which way we want to go. So

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that's the that's the end goal. Uh Blake
uh will now pack pass out a little bit

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of literature and again all of us is
here from the truck committee to answer

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any questions that you guys may have. So
thanks again. Thanks, Chief.

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» All right. So, I emailed all of you the
proposals from both Pierce and Suffin. I

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just This is just some notes as far as
advantages and disadvantages to both.

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Um, no matter which truck it is, they're
both going to be great trucks for the uh

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for the village.
They're just

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prefer. Um, but
they will both be great trucks. Um,

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I'm sure
Um, so [clears throat] we had uh both

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quotes. I went through them uh Tuesday
night line by line. Uh made a few tweaks

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to them. Um some of them were to
accommodate the requirements within the

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grant. Um others were to make sure that
both quotes were quoting the same things

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as far as what equipment was in
included, what options. There was a few

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things that were missed on uh on either
of the quotes. So, uh, so the two quotes

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that I sent out, those are the updated,
both of them are putting zero

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[clears throat] down,
um, full payment at at the delivery of

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the trucks. Um, so I guess, like I said,
I just wanted to get everybody together,

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get you the information, uh, let you
guys ask questions, uh, we can answer

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the questions, um, and just go from
there. The more time we spend making the

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decision, the the more pressure we're
going to put on to the manufacturer

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because the end date is not changing no
matter what. Because of the grant, they

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have to deliver by September 29th of
2027.

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» You say they have to deliver. If they
don't, there's just a penalty. They pay

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$100 a day. [clears throat]
>> $100 a day penalty. Yes. So, if it's

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December, it's 60 days past and they eat
$6,000 on a $1.9 million purchase.

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» Correct.
>> We we lose $800 some,000 in grant money.

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Correct.
>> No. No. That would be that's part my

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understanding is that is part of the uh
that's what the penalty is.

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» Okay.
>> Okay. [clears throat]

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» In order for them to miss it, they have
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things like that with the
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that. That's what that penalty clause
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» I just want to make sure that we're not
risking our grant.

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» Correct.
>> Cuz $2 million project, if they lose

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$6,000, big deal. I mean,

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» like I said to you guys, um that my
position, you know, you guys are leaders

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in the fire service. Uh,
I rely up to you to pick pick what

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engine and truck you guys think is going
to best suit your needs. Um, the only

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question I had is I kept saying I want
to make sure Mickey and you have good

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communication to move the paperwork
through his office, FEMA and the grant

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money because it's, you know, we don't
have it yet, right?

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah. But we talked

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» and we need it.
>> We talked with Mickey during our

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meeting. Um, [clears throat] I've been
in communication with him since. He has

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seen both of these quotes. He's went
through them. Um, [clears throat]

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» did he see the revised ones up?
>> Yes. Yes. Yep. He reviewed those

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yesterday.
>> All right.

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» So, he he is the ones that I sent you
guys or what he has.

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» He did email Cheryl. I'm just going to
be honest. He he said he had a couple

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concerns. He doesn't say what.
>> Said he found a couple things and for us

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to call him
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» Okay, no problem. I can read it to you.
I just said uh without creating an

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issue, make sure I uh can be called to
weigh in because I found a couple of

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items of concern. So, I don't know which
proposal that was.

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» He didn't say.
>> Yeah, it doesn't say.

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» Yeah, he he had two questions on the
Suffin proposal. Um, I got the

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information answered his questions on
that. Um, he did not have any feedback

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on on anything else.
>> And that was yesterday.

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» That was yesterday. Yeah.
>> Were his questions just to make sure

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that they were apples to apples because
I know that was kind of the biggest

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concern with with the grant, right? That
the grant states that we have to find um

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comparable trucks. So, were that like
were his questions around that?

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» No. No. No, because the diagram
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» He had one question on the light bar uh
facing forward. Um the diagram had two

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diodes that were blanks and he said we
should want to have those be full. So I

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contacted Andy. He said yes, those will
be full um LEDs. And the other thing he

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had was he asked about a Q siren and
[clears throat] it he just missed it in

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the it was actually it was there.
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And those are the only two
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» One of the things that was reported back
to us is that um the truck could

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potentially be too long to maneuver on
our roads.

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» No.
>> Did he ever bring that up with you?

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» So, Eric [clears throat] asked the
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» I'm just ask
>> Eric asked the question to me um about

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the length of our current truck that we
have sitting over there compared to this

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truck or either of these trucks. Right
before I came over, I measured our

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current truck. It is 45 ft 10 in long
and the wheelbase is 246 in.

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» Okay.
>> On the on the sheet the the Excel sheet

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I gave you, the Pierce is
41T 11 in overall length and the

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wheelbase is 249 in
um and the Sutman is 35T 3/4 in or sorry

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45 ft 3/4 inch long with a 243 in. So
very comparable to what we currently

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have and we can maneuver down any
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» Thank you for doing that.

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» Like I said, we're here for questions.
Um you want to you want to throw out

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what what truck you're referring to?
>> Um we as a [clears throat] committee, we

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would like to go with Dies.
Um, like I said, there's advantages and

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disadvantages to both manufacturers both
trucks. Um, it's kind of why I laid them

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out there for you. Um, there again,
either one going to be a great truck for

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the builder. It's going to last a long
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But in looking at the way the truck is
built, some options, some just the the

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specifics between the two manufacturers,
that's why um nosed it out for us. Uh,

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one of the big things is the service
after the sale. Um the manufacturer is

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down by Columbus, two and a half, three
hours away. Um they stock all the parts.

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If we need anything, we can get it. We
can literally jump in the car and go

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pick it up, drive it back, and put it on
the truck if we needed to. Um I know

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that uh Pierce also has a service
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» Finley.
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so they they also have road crew and
people available to make repairs. Um,

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but it's not the factory. So, I mean,
but with the way you can UPS overnight

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and everything, you can get parts pretty
quick as long as they're on the shelf

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somewhere. Um, [clears throat] so, but
like I said, the that was one of our big

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things was the fact that the factory is
right there and

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support locally. Um, Pearson built in
Wisconsin, they have the same advantage

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to the departments in their area.
I have no problems with the suffin. I

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was just as long as Mickey was. My
biggest concern on that one was the

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delivery because initially it said 18 to
23 months and we're already five six

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months in.
>> Yeah.

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» And I was afraid of missing out on the
grant.

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» So what uh what suffin is doing um
they're actually pulling a stock truck

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that's already in their queue and
replacing with our truck. Um so it's not

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18 to 22 or whatever months from when we
signed the contract. They are actually

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going to pull another truck and put ours
in its place. Okay.

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» Um, that's how that's how they're able
to get the delivery that we need.

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» As long as Mickey is open, I mean, talk
to I'd like to call him and ask him. You

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guys care?
>> No, he he's he told me he's available.

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If we [clears throat] did call him, he's
he would be available.

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[snorts]

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Our two salesmen are the same way. They
both said they would be available if we

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needed questions for them as well.
Why'd you be the wrong number?

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You've reached the voicemail

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only from my desk.

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At the top, please record your message.
When you finish recording, you may or

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mayor Mike Bar here. We're in our
meeting up here in uh Village Hall. Uh

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we've got our fire committee and and
council together. You had mentioned

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something about calling you if you had a
couple concerns. We'd like to maybe ask

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you what those concerns were uh with the
two proposals. So when you get a moment,

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please give us a call um as soon as
possible. Um you have my cell phone. We

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will talk to you later. Thank you.

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All right. Is that the number on the
paper? How do you call that number?

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» Is there any more questions you guys
have regarding

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» uh money? I mean, I said something to
Cheryl like funding for this. I mean,

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coming up with the additional money. Um
we have to both contracts say we have to

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have payment in full upon delivery.
Right.

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» Correct.
>> So the peers that they're offering is a

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couple months from now.
>> So I had I had mentioned that would be a

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concern to him u being that quick
delivery. Um he said there are payment

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options as well
>> um that we could look at if we needed

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to. Um there also may be an option of
obviously he gave us his best delivery.

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Uh it could be if we actually don't want
it this year and we wanted to push

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delivery back till early 27 um that
would probably be an option as well. The

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only other delivery I guess for the
Pierce being soon is we're having some

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issues with our current fire trucks.
Will they will we be able to be okay

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without borrowing until uh September of
27th?

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» Call. Hang on.
>> Hello.

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Hang on, Mickey. Can you hear me,
man?

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[laughter]
Um, so the issues we're having with 504

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[clears throat] are issues we have with
504. They still need repairs getting

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replaced.
>> It's still going to be our main bumper.

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Um, so the issues that's
kind of a different conversation as far

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as that goes. Um but yes, this could and
potentially would be the first out.

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» Hey Mickey, Michael B here. Sorry, Mr.
Call. How

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» are you, sir?
>> Good. You

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» um you are on speaker phone. Uh we've
got everybody in the room here. Um that

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needs to be So like I said, we're just
starting discussion on uh the two

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different quotes. Um right now we're
we're leaning towards the suffen. Did I

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say that right? Yep. Um, you had
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know if it was with that contract or
maybe the Pierce. So, uh, council wanted

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to see what, uh, your thoughts were on
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» Okay. So, I put the two of them side by
side and here's what I came up with.

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» So, there's a price difference of 16,444
as it sits, which is I know the best.

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The biggest thing that got a hold of me
was this. Um when I looked at the sub

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the aerial had a I mean obviously
vertical reach of 100 foot. The

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horizontal reach was 90 foot 5 in.
So the Pierce is a vertical of 107 foot

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and a horizontal reach of 100 ft. Okay.
Um the Sun has a 450 horsepower engine

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and the Pierce is come it comes with a
510.

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The minimum ground ladder requirements
for an aerial is 115 ft which is what

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Sutton has.
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as part of the deal.
So the only other thing in there is that

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delivery for this is October of 2027
which I know can be moved back to

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September. So that's not a big deal. and
the delivery for the Peters is in August

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of 26.
So with those two in mind, that is the

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only thing that I found as differences
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» But either one of those trucks, if we
picked either one of those, we have no

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no concerns on not getting the grant.
Say that again.

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» Eric wanted to know both those proposals
are a sound proposal to make sure that

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we get the FEMA money, the grant money.
>> No issues with that.

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» Um
when you and I'm just throwing this out

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there, you fire guys talk distance and
height and you know all that kind of

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thing where you know council's coming
from a different angle. you know, we're

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looking at the cost and viability of the
grant, which we were fortunate to have.

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Um, but a small town, I mean, little bit
of differences in the in the ladder,

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length, height kind of thing is that to
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of the the area where we're at.
>> So, the differences in the length of

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reach and everything is due to the
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is why it's 107 foot compared to Suffin
is a 100 foot midmount. Um, so the

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suffin the base of the ladder is in the
middle of the truck just like we

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currently have, it can swing all the way
around. So in order for a rear mount to

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get the same reach out the front out
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that's why they're longer. So as far as
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obviously being a rear mount 107, they
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front um they're compile.
>> Yeah, he's not wrong.

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» Yeah,
>> he's not wrong in that at all. Okay.

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» Yeah, we weren't sure if you saw some
major discrepancies with the quote, you

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know, and and stuff like that. So,
basically, it's just, you know, the

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units and how they're set up and what
they can do. Basically, a little bit

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» Yeah, that's that's the only thing.
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anybody else have any more questions for
Mickey?

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» Nope.
>> Okay. Uh, any questions for us, Mickey?

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» No, guys, I'm good.
>> Okay. Well, we'll continue with our

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meeting. If we come up with something
else, we'll give you a call back. But if

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not, then we'll uh have Cheryl or or
Blake and the committee let you know

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what we chose.
>> Okay. And also, by the way, like I said,

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like I told you before, do not sign any
contracts until please. Y

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» you already looked at
>> Yeah.

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» All right.
>> All right.

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» Have a good night.
>> Yeah. Thank you. You take care.

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» See you.
>> Yeah. Bye.

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» Yeah. [clears throat]
>> It's kind of good that we caught all

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those things. I wanted to double check
it, you know, or have

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» other lady look at them.
>> Yeah,

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» that's why that's why I sent them to him
yesterday.

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» They he viewed them before I sent them
you guys. I waited to send them to you

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guys.
after he get them and locate them.

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All right.
So, back I'm just asking financial I

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mean do we want share what your thoughts
on

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sooner or later does it is it an impact
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» no

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» it doesn't matter.
Huh? No. [laughter]

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» I can I ask another question about um
the trucks? So once we get this truck,

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the we those other two trucks, the
ladder truck and the 1980s truck, we can

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no longer use.
>> They will be sold,

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» right? But my question is if we have one
in the shop, can the Quint do it all?

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» Yes. Yes,
>> it can. It can do everything. Does you

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normally have two though? Like you would
normally have one and then a backup. So

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that's the difference between a quint
and an aerial. Um [clears throat] so the

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quint has more water on it. Has all the
basically it's it's has everything that

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an engine or a pumper or main pumper
would have. It's got a 2,000gallon per

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minute pump on it. It's got uh the
suffin has 600 gallons of water on it.

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It's got foam capability.
>> Um so basically it will do everything

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that the pump will do, but also has a
ladder. I know it's kind of a army Swiss

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knife of trucks. I just my fear is is
that it the second that truck arrives,

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those two have to be taken out of um
commission. So I just didn't want us to

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be stuck with one truck when you guys
are normally used to working out of two.

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That would be my only fear.
>> Yeah. A queen is considered a combo

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truck.
>> So engine generally in real world does

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one job. A lot of truck does a different
job.

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» So you put the both together,
>> which is why it's called a quint because

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you have five options.
>> Yep. It does a job of both aerial

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ladder, both a ladder truck and an
engine together

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» at the same time. They do at the same
time. Perfect.

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» You could do it could do the same thing.
>> Okay. All right. I just that was just my

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fear for you guys.
>> Yeah. If we're using that as our uh

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first line engine out the door. Um when
we get to the se to the the fire or

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whatever, it's going to be used as an
engine. As soon as we get on scene,

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we're not raising a ladder and doing any
kind of ladder operations. We're there.

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We're pulling hand lines. We're making
entry. um we're getting hooked to a

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hydrant. We're once we get things
established and um you know, we're

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search and we get to the point where
we're venting a roof or um maybe we're

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doing a uh a rescue from a second story
window or something of that nature,

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that's when we will put the aerial into
use.

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» Um so it's not going to be like you see
on TV get they get there and they

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immediately put their put their ladder
up in the air and start flowing water

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and that's that's not the case. We would
use it as it would be an engine first.

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and then it would go as an aero unit.
Now, on the flip side, if we have if

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we're not using it as our initial engine
out the door, our primary engines, the

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504 would do that, this would be second
or third truck in and it would be

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potentially up in the air right away
just depending on the situation.

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» Um, other question, um, Mickey mentioned
about making sure people were licensed.

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» So, we already do all that. Um, so the
the four uh ISC requirements, the 100,

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200, 700, and 800. Okay.
>> All done before we go to fire one.

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» Okay.
>> Um DOT physical as well.

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» Okay.
>> Because we have we have to have the DOT

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physical for our tanker.
>> Perfect. I just don't want to bring in

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the truck that no one can run.
>> Yep. That is also same question.

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» Yeah. Did you Okay. Yeah. Thank you.
>> We already knew that.

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» And that is an all-in price. I mean it's
you're not going to Are you going to Is

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it fully I guess all your hoses,
everything you need?

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» Yep. That's one of the
>> radios. Yep. Uh the radios will come out

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of these trucks.
>> That's why I wonder if we're going to be

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able to take some equipment from the old
>> Yep. Um, we didn't get any new packs, so

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the packs will come off the old trucks
and go into this one. Um, some a lot of

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the hand tools will come out of the old
trucks and go into this one. We do have

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$20,000 in uh tool allowance built into
it um for some certain [clears throat]

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tools, hand tools that we need that are
we don't we either we don't have them

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currently or uh we need additional um
>> sorry harnesses. Um yeah, harnesses,

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that thing, those kind of things that
[clears throat] um that's why we have

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that $20,000 into that for those um
specific things there. But all the

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ladders, all the hose, um that'll all
come on the truck. That's actually one

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of the things that Pierce I had Pierce
add into their quote because they did

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not have the hose in. Um so they added
uh 700 foot of 5 in, 250 foot of inch

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and 3/4, and like 200 feet of two and a
half. Um that was all already in the

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court.
You said we'd sell the other two.

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» I mean, are we talking
>> 100,000 for both? Maybe not that much.

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» They can't be sold as fire trucks.
>> They can't. So, part of the grant part

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of the FEMA requirements is they cannot
go into fire service for they have to be

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removed from the fire service. There are
some loopholes. They can get them back

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in. Um, but in order to get it
reertified after that point, they would

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have to be up to the current
requirements, which nobody's going to

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spell.
>> So, they're parade vehicles from that

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point on.
>> They're going to be parade vehicles.

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» I've seen them down to
>> I've seen them before.

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» They've talked about third. Yeah.
>> Some will have the name on the front.

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Yeah.
>> But like the the ladder truck that quite

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possibly would go to like a tree
service. I've seen several tree people

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that um have used old fire trucks as
their aerial for doing tree services,

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things like that.
>> Use them.

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» Now, Vicki did say that the ladder is
the one that has to be completely out of

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fire. That's the
>> That's how we understand.

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» He did say the 50
uh 503 that pumper can be sold as a fire

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truck. So,
>> that's how I understood it.

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» So, that's that's what Mickey told me.
So that money which I would imagine

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might be 30 to $40,000 if that. So
>> what are you going to do with the truck

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that's out there? Did you find out what
it needs?

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» They are the 504 is out there being
assessed now. Um basically there was a

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diode in the engine engine harness that
burnt. um doing in the diagnostics from

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what they told me when that diode burns
it is a uh ignition or the engine

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control module and the ignition
something with or not the injector pulse

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controller or something like that. They
got a new control module on order. Uh

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they were programming it up in Fort
Wayne I believe this morning when I

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talked to them. Um, so when they get
that once the program, they'll get that

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put in and they were still working on
getting the other part. So they're

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hopeful though.
>> So it might be feasible to fix it.

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» Oh, absolutely.
>> It's a it's a lot better lot different

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fix than a motor.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

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» So when you said that,
>> so we're looking probably in the $6,000

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range. If if those two fix it and parts,
well, obviously labor on top of that,

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» then you can use it till you get
absolutely needed.

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» Yeah.
since Fish brought it up and it's got

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absolutely nothing to do with buying a
new one. What's the timeline for getting

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rid of 504 then?
>> Just so council's kind of got an idea.

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What are we looking at?
>> Anytime

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in the fire service trucks are 20-year
trucks. That truck's 203.

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» So now you promised us 30 years with the
Quinn. Oh yeah.

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» Well,
>> that is what you guys absolutely

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[laughter]

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» so I mean the only reason I brought it
up so council can start planning on

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buying another truck.
>> We will need to start looking at

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» a new frontline engine as well,
>> right? And we've talked about that with

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Cheryl with, you know, ambulances and
making sure that that we're on a

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rotation so that they're not surprise.
And I actually asked Cheryl, I said, "Do

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we have like where we put money away
every year to buy a firetruck?" She

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said, "No, we don't. We should, but we
don't. There's never money to do that

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with."
>> They have written it in as

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contingencies, and unfortunately, the
budget never allows.

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» Exactly. And that's just the way it is.
The money is not there in order to do

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that. Ideally,
>> we need to prioritize.

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» We would plan on, you know,
>> Yeah.

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» 20 every 20 years if you you planned on
replacing them because that's their life

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cycle.
>> Yeah. Um, but obviously we are exceeding

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our life cycle. We've proven that most
of our trucks over there are exceeding

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that. So
>> we still got the yellow one.

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» No, that that one's been gone for a
while

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» now. [clears throat]
>> So ultimately, you know, we want to get

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this plant all all done, but there are
options to get used pumpers to buy us

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some more time for a lot less cost. So,
I mean, there's options out there. You

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know, if we want to get off of this
rotation where, you know, the quint was

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just a large expense and we want to not
spend so much money, there are other

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options out there. So, I mean, uh,
definitely a lot more options to save

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some money at this point, you know. So,
>> a new pumper right now is about a

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million dollars.
>> Yeah, they're one oneish for for a new

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bumper. Um, but
there again, if we we go used, there's

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obviously you'll save money buying
something used, 10 years old, something

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like that off of a a mid to larger
department. Um,

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they still have life left in them at
that point. You can't use any grant

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money toward that. So, that would not be
an option. It would be a straight

407
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:43,279
purchase for the village um if we were
to do that. So, um there's several

408
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:48,880
different options um as far as an engine
um as far as our main bumper. Um but

409
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:54,320
there's a chance that we fix 504 and we
don't have any more issues with it for

410
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:58,000
extended period of time either or we get
it back and 6 months later we have

411
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:02,559
another issue.
>> Each year in 504 each year has had one

412
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:08,000
major incident over the last three or
four years.

413
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:11,279
» So last year we put like to $9,000 into
it.

414
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:16,480
» Then now we're back to
>> that was for uh head gasket with blue.

415
00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:23,600
» So like there was an engine issue. Now
something else is going on in the engine

416
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:27,760
area which is several more thousand. My
concern was just that the building is

417
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:33,279
just going to get tired of putting money
into an engine that just keeps on

418
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:36,559
» falling apart or not being reliable.
>> And that's my only concern. No matter

419
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:40,240
what, we have to keep fixing it. But at
some point, we have to decide we're done

420
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,320
putting money into it and go a different
route.

421
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,919
» And that's part of the reason we're
getting the new Quint is because we're

422
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,120
getting rid of two trucks. So now you
don't have maintenance on either those

423
00:31:47,679 --> 00:31:52,559
two trucks. You have a brand new truck
that's going to last you a lot longer.

424
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:58,559
And like he said 20 years and you're
like, "Oh, you promised us 30." This

425
00:31:54,880 --> 00:32:01,360
truck, it I think this stainless steel
body's a stainless steel body.

426
00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:07,200
» Stainless steel body. So nothing's going
to rust there. Um, the ladder itself is

427
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:11,360
not welded like a lot of them are. And
as a welder, I can test back those. Uh,

428
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:16,240
they're not welded. So, there's no no
welds that ever crack on the uh, suffin.

429
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:20,559
They are all huff bolded, which is nice
because bolts have shear strength that's

430
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,919
a lot higher than most welds. So, the
whole ladder there is huff bolded. You

431
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,992
never have to worry about weld cracking
or getting welds rewelded if it did

432
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:35,279
crack. So, you don't have problem there.
[clears throat] Stresses weld, whatever

433
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:40,080
cracks it. Um, but all in all, I that
>> the aerial does have a 30-year warranty

434
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:46,480
on it. Um,
the the whole truck as a whole as a big

435
00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:51,120
truck from Canish, that whole truck is
all standard parts. So, it should be any

436
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:58,799
parts that most truck manufacturers will
have on shelf, but most parts we call

437
00:32:53,200 --> 00:33:04,159
over to Bokeis and Butler. not um
>> butler or over to um New Haven and they

438
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:07,840
should have most any part for it so
that's never a problem and then if

439
00:33:05,919 --> 00:33:13,600
anything ever does happen right down to
Columbus 2 hours

440
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:20,000
» and they also have a road crew that will
come to you as well

441
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:26,080
which is I guess nice convenient and
they overnight parts to you straight

442
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:31,279
here hop on the know that there's
something major that will put your app

443
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:36,880
out of service. They guarantee a certain
timeline to get to you to get it back in

444
00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:42,720
service. So, those are kind of the
comforting things that

445
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:45,720
we took into a fact in picking who we
picked.

446
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,679
» Yeah, I do that too. They have a team
that comes in. So, I win. If

447
00:33:50,523 --> 00:33:57,200
[clears throat] we go with Suffin when
they come in here, Suffin has a whole

448
00:33:54,320 --> 00:34:01,440
that will come with them and tell you
everything that you do and don't want to

449
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:06,720
know about the truck, the ins and outs.
They hold trainings about the truck.

450
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:11,520
Whether you go there or come here, they
conduct classes, trainings on everything

451
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:18,560
about the truck that you bought. It's a
whole big inservice and class about it.

452
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:18,560
» Is that part of the package as well?

453
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,599
It's both.
>> So, with the package is a three-day

454
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:28,480
training where they'll come here,
they'll train us, train the department

455
00:34:25,359 --> 00:34:31,679
on um doing in different different times
of the day so we can catch everybody on

456
00:34:29,839 --> 00:34:37,119
different shifts. Um but they do have
additional training that we can go to uh

457
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:42,639
or have them come do. Um, I know when we
went down there, they were setting up

458
00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:48,320
for a uh basically like a mainten a PM
class that um go in and basically go

459
00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:52,240
through their training as far as
everything how it all needs PM mostly

460
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:55,520
like Mor departments that are doing all
that for when they have on staff the

461
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,760
mechanics that are doing all that stuff.
So, um, but they do have multiple

462
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:02,560
different trainings that are available
that we can go to.

463
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,400
» I'm assuming all of them do, don't they?
I'm not going to say it's

464
00:35:03,229 --> 00:35:07,280
[clears throat] like no different than
anyone. I mean that kind of money

465
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,280
» they all offer that.
>> Yeah.

466
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,720
» Well, I know that when this first
started and we had these conversations

467
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:21,440
with Mickey and he said, you know, 1.1
mil and when the numbers first came back

468
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:25,119
as 1.8, um, obviously we were a bit
shocked. I really want to thank you guys

469
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:28,240
for doing your due diligence, going out
there, getting these sideby-side quotes,

470
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,440
and also educating us because I don't
know what you do. You guys know what you

471
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,320
do. You guys know what you need. I just
know financially what that looks for the

472
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:38,240
village. and being able to compromise
like you said is really important for

473
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:42,640
me. So I mean I do support your guys's
option here. Um like Nikki said there it

474
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:46,880
really wasn't that much difference in
the end.

475
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:52,480
» I would like to have Mickey look over of
course one last time but I would make a

476
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:56,160
motion for the sub.
>> I second that.

477
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:57,760
» Good. Roll call.
>> Sedak.

478
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,200
» Yes.
>> Hegley.

479
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,079
» Yes.
>> Basset.

480
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,119
» Yes.
>> Gwick.

481
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:01,920
» Yes.
>> Miller.

482
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:05,760
» Yes.
>> Lena. Yes.

483
00:36:04,144 --> 00:36:11,040
[cough]
>> Very good. But with that, um, send it to

484
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,599
Mickey one more time, I guess, tonight
since he's already got it.

485
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:16,800
» I'll click send. That's fine.
>> Uh, but we have to have a resolution,

486
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:22,000
right?
>> Sign it.

487
00:36:19,359 --> 00:36:27,359
» I know Seno extended their contract.
>> They extended till the 15th of March.

488
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:32,240
» But we can't really we we can't sign the
contract until the resolution's done.

489
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:35,359
That's the kicker. Is he going to We
could have it probably here by what the

490
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:39,119
next meeting,
>> but 16,

491
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:45,200
» right? If he's okay with the village
motion tonight that he knows he's um

492
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:48,680
suff the contract, he's got to get the
paperwork filer.

493
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:59,320
» We can we can call them now if you want.
>> Up to you guys.

494
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,320
» No.

495
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:04,560
So, with that being said, is there
anything else we got? Like I said,

496
00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:08,000
» we can't talk anything.
>> No, I'm not saying about anything and

497
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:12,800
not anything else. Again, thank you for
your time and your due diligence and

498
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:16,400
putting the proposal together. I know
we've had a lot of discussion. You guys

499
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:22,079
a lot of discussion. So, I think this is
a a great meeting to finalize the the

500
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:24,240
plan. Um, and we'll keep moving forward.
So, thank you very much for being here,

501
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,320
everybody. And
>> thank you.

502
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:30,599
» Thank you, guys.
We got a motion to adjourn in a second.

503
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:36,240
» Roll call.
>> Yeah.

504
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,280
» Ske.
>> Yes.

505
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,400
» Basset.
>> Yes.

506
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,520
» Miller.
>> Yes.

507
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,560
» Elena.
>> Yes.

508
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,760
» Gwick.
>> Yes.

509
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:50,040
» Eggley.
>> Yes.

510
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:50,040
» I didn't said double minutes off.

511
00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:54,079
Hey, there's a