[0:28] Are they bombing? where you were living
here.
[0:30] » I was in Washington state. So, no, but
>> still
[0:35] can never be too safe. [cough]
>> We heard about it and so they just went
[0:41] and grabbed a TV and plugged her in.
>> That's when back when Philips TV
[0:47] for three and a half years.
>> Were you like the class where they like
[0:49] wheel in the big box TV and plug it in
and
[0:52] » No, we had TVs like hanging.
>> Yeah. Box. Yeah. Boxy.
[0:59] » Is that what you did all day basically
that day at school?
[1:01] » No. Ping shut it off and made us take a
quiz.
[1:05] » Call them two guys living through.
>> That's what we made. That's what we made
[1:08] at ours. 25 27s 32s.
>> Yeah,
[1:12] » they were so heavy.
>> That's the most Mr. Paint thing actually
[1:15] ever. He probably was sitting at his
desk like this like he wanted.
[1:19] » We're going to get started tonight.
Thank you for being here. We got a
[1:22] special council meeting in regards to a
buyer truck purchase. Pastor, can you do
[1:26] a prayer for us since you are here with
Pastor Steve? Thank you. We'll do a
[1:30] prayer and then pledge. [clears throat]
[1:33] » Let me pray. Lord, again, we just uh
thank you for everything that you do.
[1:36] And Lord, tonight I do pray for our
first responders. I ask that you give
[1:40] them protection. I ask that you give
them wisdom and guidance. Lord, I let
[1:43] ask you that you just light the path
that they have. Lord, I pray for our
[1:46] council and uh all the supporting uh
actors, so to speak. Lord, continue to
[1:50] give them strength and uh perseverance
also. Lord, we just thank you. We praise
[1:55] you in Jesus name. Amen.
>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[2:01] United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation
[2:06] under God, indivisible, liberty and
justice for all.
[2:13] » All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks,
pastor. Uh, roll call.
[2:18] » Here.
>> Basset
[2:19] » here.
>> Valena
[2:20] » here.
>> Miller here.
[2:22] » Conw.
here. [clears throat]
[2:25] » All right. Um,
>> kind of put this in a a cap. Fire
[2:30] department's been uh looking at
proposals. We talked at last council
[2:34] meeting. They went back had a meeting to
look at uh the stuff that Mickey sent
[2:39] in. Um
then they had the conversations with
[2:43] Mickey with a couple of the other um
companies that were submitting bids. But
[2:49] at this point in time, they're ready to
make a decision, I believe. but they
[2:53] wanted to have council present. Um this
is a big big purchase for the fire
[2:57] department every big purchase for the
community. Um it's a truck bar after
[3:01] many many years and uh they put a lot of
effort and time into looking at what is
[3:05] needed, what they want, all that thing.
So at that point I will pass it on to
[3:12] who's your spokesperson? You
>> he's will be a spokesperson but I want
[3:16] to personally say I want to thank y'all
for taking time out to comment. I
[3:21] realize this is a big purchase for the
village, but the hope and the goal today
[3:26] is to hopefully have everyone listen and
hear uh our side of it and why we are
[3:32] doing what we are wanting to do and here
to answer all the questions that you
[3:38] guys may have to help [clears throat]
get to a decision so we could get this
[3:42] truck moving forward in the process of
getting built so we can meet the
[3:47] deadlines of FEMA and that sort of
thing. Um, so our ultimate goal today is
[3:52] to try to [clears throat] have everyone
listen. So then that way you guys have
[3:57] an insight with going in and making a
decision on which way we want to go. So
[4:03] that's the that's the end goal. Uh Blake
uh will now pack pass out a little bit
[4:10] of literature and again all of us is
here from the truck committee to answer
[4:15] any questions that you guys may have. So
thanks again. Thanks, Chief.
[4:20] » All right. So, I emailed all of you the
proposals from both Pierce and Suffin. I
[4:25] just This is just some notes as far as
advantages and disadvantages to both.
[4:29] Um, no matter which truck it is, they're
both going to be great trucks for the uh
[4:34] for the village.
They're just
[4:40] prefer. Um, but
they will both be great trucks. Um,
[4:47] I'm sure
Um, so [clears throat] we had uh both
[4:54] quotes. I went through them uh Tuesday
night line by line. Uh made a few tweaks
[4:58] to them. Um some of them were to
accommodate the requirements within the
[5:04] grant. Um others were to make sure that
both quotes were quoting the same things
[5:09] as far as what equipment was in
included, what options. There was a few
[5:13] things that were missed on uh on either
of the quotes. So, uh, so the two quotes
[5:19] that I sent out, those are the updated,
both of them are putting zero
[5:23] [clears throat] down,
um, full payment at at the delivery of
[5:29] the trucks. Um, so I guess, like I said,
I just wanted to get everybody together,
[5:35] get you the information, uh, let you
guys ask questions, uh, we can answer
[5:39] the questions, um, and just go from
there. The more time we spend making the
[5:46] decision, the the more pressure we're
going to put on to the manufacturer
[5:49] because the end date is not changing no
matter what. Because of the grant, they
[5:54] have to deliver by September 29th of
2027.
[6:03] » You say they have to deliver. If they
don't, there's just a penalty. They pay
[6:06] $100 a day. [clears throat]
>> $100 a day penalty. Yes. So, if it's
[6:09] December, it's 60 days past and they eat
$6,000 on a $1.9 million purchase.
[6:16] » Correct.
>> We we lose $800 some,000 in grant money.
[6:20] Correct.
>> No. No. That would be that's part my
[6:24] understanding is that is part of the uh
that's what the penalty is.
[6:29] » Okay.
>> Okay. [clears throat]
[6:31] » In order for them to miss it, they have
to they can file for extensions and
[6:34] things like that with the
>> Just want to make sure we don't miss
[6:36] that. That's what that penalty clause
is.
[6:42] » I just want to make sure that we're not
risking our grant.
[6:45] » Correct.
>> Cuz $2 million project, if they lose
[6:48] $6,000, big deal. I mean,
[6:54] » like I said to you guys, um that my
position, you know, you guys are leaders
[7:00] in the fire service. Uh,
I rely up to you to pick pick what
[7:05] engine and truck you guys think is going
to best suit your needs. Um, the only
[7:09] question I had is I kept saying I want
to make sure Mickey and you have good
[7:13] communication to move the paperwork
through his office, FEMA and the grant
[7:18] money because it's, you know, we don't
have it yet, right?
[7:20] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. But we talked
[7:22] » and we need it.
>> We talked with Mickey during our
[7:24] meeting. Um, [clears throat] I've been
in communication with him since. He has
[7:28] seen both of these quotes. He's went
through them. Um, [clears throat]
[7:31] » did he see the revised ones up?
>> Yes. Yes. Yep. He reviewed those
[7:34] yesterday.
>> All right.
[7:35] » So, he he is the ones that I sent you
guys or what he has.
[7:39] » He did email Cheryl. I'm just going to
be honest. He he said he had a couple
[7:43] concerns. He doesn't say what.
>> Said he found a couple things and for us
[7:48] to call him
>> if
[7:50] » Okay, no problem. I can read it to you.
I just said uh without creating an
[7:55] issue, make sure I uh can be called to
weigh in because I found a couple of
[7:58] items of concern. So, I don't know which
proposal that was.
[8:01] » He didn't say.
>> Yeah, it doesn't say.
[8:03] » Yeah, he he had two questions on the
Suffin proposal. Um, I got the
[8:07] information answered his questions on
that. Um, he did not have any feedback
[8:11] on on anything else.
>> And that was yesterday.
[8:14] » That was yesterday. Yeah.
>> Were his questions just to make sure
[8:16] that they were apples to apples because
I know that was kind of the biggest
[8:19] concern with with the grant, right? That
the grant states that we have to find um
[8:24] comparable trucks. So, were that like
were his questions around that?
[8:28] » No. No. No, because the diagram
>> was just about the the features.
[8:32] » He had one question on the light bar uh
facing forward. Um the diagram had two
[8:38] diodes that were blanks and he said we
should want to have those be full. So I
[8:45] contacted Andy. He said yes, those will
be full um LEDs. And the other thing he
[8:50] had was he asked about a Q siren and
[clears throat] it he just missed it in
[8:54] the it was actually it was there.
So, I showed him what line it was on.
[8:58] And those are the only two
>> questions or concerns that he
[9:02] » One of the things that was reported back
to us is that um the truck could
[9:06] potentially be too long to maneuver on
our roads.
[9:08] » No.
>> Did he ever bring that up with you?
[9:11] » So, Eric [clears throat] asked the
question.
[9:12] » I'm just ask
>> Eric asked the question to me um about
[9:16] the length of our current truck that we
have sitting over there compared to this
[9:19] truck or either of these trucks. Right
before I came over, I measured our
[9:22] current truck. It is 45 ft 10 in long
and the wheelbase is 246 in.
[9:28] » Okay.
>> On the on the sheet the the Excel sheet
[9:30] I gave you, the Pierce is
41T 11 in overall length and the
[9:36] wheelbase is 249 in
um and the Sutman is 35T 3/4 in or sorry
[9:45] 45 ft 3/4 inch long with a 243 in. So
very comparable to what we currently
[9:51] have and we can maneuver down any
street.
[9:54] » Thank you for doing that.
[10:02] » Like I said, we're here for questions.
Um you want to you want to throw out
[10:05] what what truck you're referring to?
>> Um we as a [clears throat] committee, we
[10:12] would like to go with Dies.
Um, like I said, there's advantages and
[10:18] disadvantages to both manufacturers both
trucks. Um, it's kind of why I laid them
[10:22] out there for you. Um, there again,
either one going to be a great truck for
[10:27] the builder. It's going to last a long
time.
[10:30] But in looking at the way the truck is
built, some options, some just the the
[10:36] specifics between the two manufacturers,
that's why um nosed it out for us. Uh,
[10:41] one of the big things is the service
after the sale. Um the manufacturer is
[10:46] down by Columbus, two and a half, three
hours away. Um they stock all the parts.
[10:51] If we need anything, we can get it. We
can literally jump in the car and go
[10:54] pick it up, drive it back, and put it on
the truck if we needed to. Um I know
[10:59] that uh Pierce also has a service
facility in
[11:04] » Finley.
>> Um
[11:06] so they they also have road crew and
people available to make repairs. Um,
[11:12] but it's not the factory. So, I mean,
but with the way you can UPS overnight
[11:18] and everything, you can get parts pretty
quick as long as they're on the shelf
[11:21] somewhere. Um, [clears throat] so, but
like I said, the that was one of our big
[11:27] things was the fact that the factory is
right there and
[11:31] support locally. Um, Pearson built in
Wisconsin, they have the same advantage
[11:36] to the departments in their area.
I have no problems with the suffin. I
[11:42] was just as long as Mickey was. My
biggest concern on that one was the
[11:45] delivery because initially it said 18 to
23 months and we're already five six
[11:49] months in.
>> Yeah.
[11:50] » And I was afraid of missing out on the
grant.
[11:52] » So what uh what suffin is doing um
they're actually pulling a stock truck
[11:56] that's already in their queue and
replacing with our truck. Um so it's not
[12:01] 18 to 22 or whatever months from when we
signed the contract. They are actually
[12:06] going to pull another truck and put ours
in its place. Okay.
[12:08] » Um, that's how that's how they're able
to get the delivery that we need.
[12:13] » As long as Mickey is open, I mean, talk
to I'd like to call him and ask him. You
[12:17] guys care?
>> No, he he's he told me he's available.
[12:20] If we [clears throat] did call him, he's
he would be available.
[12:25] [snorts]
[12:29] Our two salesmen are the same way. They
both said they would be available if we
[12:32] needed questions for them as well.
Why'd you be the wrong number?
[13:09] You've reached the voicemail
[13:17] only from my desk.
[13:33] At the top, please record your message.
When you finish recording, you may or
[13:48] mayor Mike Bar here. We're in our
meeting up here in uh Village Hall. Uh
[13:52] we've got our fire committee and and
council together. You had mentioned
[13:56] something about calling you if you had a
couple concerns. We'd like to maybe ask
[14:00] you what those concerns were uh with the
two proposals. So when you get a moment,
[14:04] please give us a call um as soon as
possible. Um you have my cell phone. We
[14:09] will talk to you later. Thank you.
[14:19] All right. Is that the number on the
paper? How do you call that number?
[14:28] » Is there any more questions you guys
have regarding
[14:35] » uh money? I mean, I said something to
Cheryl like funding for this. I mean,
[14:41] coming up with the additional money. Um
we have to both contracts say we have to
[14:45] have payment in full upon delivery.
Right.
[14:48] » Correct.
>> So the peers that they're offering is a
[14:51] couple months from now.
>> So I had I had mentioned that would be a
[14:55] concern to him u being that quick
delivery. Um he said there are payment
[15:01] options as well
>> um that we could look at if we needed
[15:05] to. Um there also may be an option of
obviously he gave us his best delivery.
[15:12] Uh it could be if we actually don't want
it this year and we wanted to push
[15:15] delivery back till early 27 um that
would probably be an option as well. The
[15:22] only other delivery I guess for the
Pierce being soon is we're having some
[15:26] issues with our current fire trucks.
Will they will we be able to be okay
[15:31] without borrowing until uh September of
27th?
[15:37] » Call. Hang on.
>> Hello.
[15:41] Hang on, Mickey. Can you hear me,
man?
[15:46] [laughter]
Um, so the issues we're having with 504
[15:51] [clears throat] are issues we have with
504. They still need repairs getting
[15:55] replaced.
>> It's still going to be our main bumper.
[15:58] Um, so the issues that's
kind of a different conversation as far
[16:04] as that goes. Um but yes, this could and
potentially would be the first out.
[16:11] » Hey Mickey, Michael B here. Sorry, Mr.
Call. How
[16:14] » are you, sir?
>> Good. You
[16:16] » um you are on speaker phone. Uh we've
got everybody in the room here. Um that
[16:21] needs to be So like I said, we're just
starting discussion on uh the two
[16:27] different quotes. Um right now we're
we're leaning towards the suffen. Did I
[16:31] say that right? Yep. Um, you had
mentioned maybe some concerns. I don't
[16:35] know if it was with that contract or
maybe the Pierce. So, uh, council wanted
[16:40] to see what, uh, your thoughts were on
that.
[16:43] » Okay. So, I put the two of them side by
side and here's what I came up with.
[16:50] » So, there's a price difference of 16,444
as it sits, which is I know the best.
[16:57] The biggest thing that got a hold of me
was this. Um when I looked at the sub
[17:03] the aerial had a I mean obviously
vertical reach of 100 foot. The
[17:07] horizontal reach was 90 foot 5 in.
So the Pierce is a vertical of 107 foot
[17:13] and a horizontal reach of 100 ft. Okay.
Um the Sun has a 450 horsepower engine
[17:22] and the Pierce is come it comes with a
510.
[17:26] The minimum ground ladder requirements
for an aerial is 115 ft which is what
[17:32] Sutton has.
The Pierce has 135 ft ground ladders
[17:38] as part of the deal.
So the only other thing in there is that
[17:44] delivery for this is October of 2027
which I know can be moved back to
[17:51] September. So that's not a big deal. and
the delivery for the Peters is in August
[17:56] of 26.
So with those two in mind, that is the
[18:02] only thing that I found as differences
across the board.
[18:14] » But either one of those trucks, if we
picked either one of those, we have no
[18:18] no concerns on not getting the grant.
Say that again.
[18:23] » Eric wanted to know both those proposals
are a sound proposal to make sure that
[18:28] we get the FEMA money, the grant money.
>> No issues with that.
[18:33] » Um
when you and I'm just throwing this out
[18:37] there, you fire guys talk distance and
height and you know all that kind of
[18:42] thing where you know council's coming
from a different angle. you know, we're
[18:47] looking at the cost and viability of the
grant, which we were fortunate to have.
[18:51] Um, but a small town, I mean, little bit
of differences in the in the ladder,
[18:56] length, height kind of thing is that to
me is not a big factor, I guess, because
[19:01] of the the area where we're at.
>> So, the differences in the length of
[19:05] reach and everything is due to the
Pierce is a rear-mounted aerial, which
[19:09] is why it's 107 foot compared to Suffin
is a 100 foot midmount. Um, so the
[19:15] suffin the base of the ladder is in the
middle of the truck just like we
[19:18] currently have, it can swing all the way
around. So in order for a rear mount to
[19:23] get the same reach out the front out
front of the truck, they have to have
[19:27] that's why they're longer. So as far as
what we can reach forward or back,
[19:33] obviously being a rear mount 107, they
can reach further back, but over the
[19:37] front um they're compile.
>> Yeah, he's not wrong.
[19:41] » Yeah,
>> he's not wrong in that at all. Okay.
[19:45] » Yeah, we weren't sure if you saw some
major discrepancies with the quote, you
[19:49] know, and and stuff like that. So,
basically, it's just, you know, the
[19:53] units and how they're set up and what
they can do. Basically, a little bit
[19:57] » Yeah, that's that's the only thing.
>> Got
[20:01] anybody else have any more questions for
Mickey?
[20:03] » Nope.
>> Okay. Uh, any questions for us, Mickey?
[20:07] » No, guys, I'm good.
>> Okay. Well, we'll continue with our
[20:10] meeting. If we come up with something
else, we'll give you a call back. But if
[20:13] not, then we'll uh have Cheryl or or
Blake and the committee let you know
[20:18] what we chose.
>> Okay. And also, by the way, like I said,
[20:21] like I told you before, do not sign any
contracts until please. Y
[20:24] » you already looked at
>> Yeah.
[20:26] » All right.
>> All right.
[20:28] » Have a good night.
>> Yeah. Thank you. You take care.
[20:30] » See you.
>> Yeah. Bye.
[20:33] » Yeah. [clears throat]
>> It's kind of good that we caught all
[20:35] those things. I wanted to double check
it, you know, or have
[20:39] » other lady look at them.
>> Yeah,
[20:41] » that's why that's why I sent them to him
yesterday.
[20:43] » They he viewed them before I sent them
you guys. I waited to send them to you
[20:46] guys.
after he get them and locate them.
[20:53] All right.
So, back I'm just asking financial I
[20:58] mean do we want share what your thoughts
on
[21:02] sooner or later does it is it an impact
[snorts]
[21:11] » no
[21:15] » it doesn't matter.
Huh? No. [laughter]
[21:21] » I can I ask another question about um
the trucks? So once we get this truck,
[21:27] the we those other two trucks, the
ladder truck and the 1980s truck, we can
[21:31] no longer use.
>> They will be sold,
[21:34] » right? But my question is if we have one
in the shop, can the Quint do it all?
[21:39] » Yes. Yes,
>> it can. It can do everything. Does you
[21:42] normally have two though? Like you would
normally have one and then a backup. So
[21:45] that's the difference between a quint
and an aerial. Um [clears throat] so the
[21:48] quint has more water on it. Has all the
basically it's it's has everything that
[21:56] an engine or a pumper or main pumper
would have. It's got a 2,000gallon per
[22:00] minute pump on it. It's got uh the
suffin has 600 gallons of water on it.
[22:04] It's got foam capability.
>> Um so basically it will do everything
[22:09] that the pump will do, but also has a
ladder. I know it's kind of a army Swiss
[22:14] knife of trucks. I just my fear is is
that it the second that truck arrives,
[22:18] those two have to be taken out of um
commission. So I just didn't want us to
[22:22] be stuck with one truck when you guys
are normally used to working out of two.
[22:25] That would be my only fear.
>> Yeah. A queen is considered a combo
[22:28] truck.
>> So engine generally in real world does
[22:31] one job. A lot of truck does a different
job.
[22:35] » So you put the both together,
>> which is why it's called a quint because
[22:38] you have five options.
>> Yep. It does a job of both aerial
[22:43] ladder, both a ladder truck and an
engine together
[22:46] » at the same time. They do at the same
time. Perfect.
[22:48] » You could do it could do the same thing.
>> Okay. All right. I just that was just my
[22:51] fear for you guys.
>> Yeah. If we're using that as our uh
[22:54] first line engine out the door. Um when
we get to the se to the the fire or
[23:00] whatever, it's going to be used as an
engine. As soon as we get on scene,
[23:03] we're not raising a ladder and doing any
kind of ladder operations. We're there.
[23:07] We're pulling hand lines. We're making
entry. um we're getting hooked to a
[23:10] hydrant. We're once we get things
established and um you know, we're
[23:16] search and we get to the point where
we're venting a roof or um maybe we're
[23:20] doing a uh a rescue from a second story
window or something of that nature,
[23:24] that's when we will put the aerial into
use.
[23:26] » Um so it's not going to be like you see
on TV get they get there and they
[23:30] immediately put their put their ladder
up in the air and start flowing water
[23:33] and that's that's not the case. We would
use it as it would be an engine first.
[23:39] and then it would go as an aero unit.
Now, on the flip side, if we have if
[23:43] we're not using it as our initial engine
out the door, our primary engines, the
[23:47] 504 would do that, this would be second
or third truck in and it would be
[23:52] potentially up in the air right away
just depending on the situation.
[23:56] » Um, other question, um, Mickey mentioned
about making sure people were licensed.
[24:01] » So, we already do all that. Um, so the
the four uh ISC requirements, the 100,
[24:07] 200, 700, and 800. Okay.
>> All done before we go to fire one.
[24:10] » Okay.
>> Um DOT physical as well.
[24:13] » Okay.
>> Because we have we have to have the DOT
[24:16] physical for our tanker.
>> Perfect. I just don't want to bring in
[24:17] the truck that no one can run.
>> Yep. That is also same question.
[24:21] » Yeah. Did you Okay. Yeah. Thank you.
>> We already knew that.
[24:23] » And that is an all-in price. I mean it's
you're not going to Are you going to Is
[24:28] it fully I guess all your hoses,
everything you need?
[24:30] » Yep. That's one of the
>> radios. Yep. Uh the radios will come out
[24:34] of these trucks.
>> That's why I wonder if we're going to be
[24:35] able to take some equipment from the old
>> Yep. Um, we didn't get any new packs, so
[24:38] the packs will come off the old trucks
and go into this one. Um, some a lot of
[24:42] the hand tools will come out of the old
trucks and go into this one. We do have
[24:47] $20,000 in uh tool allowance built into
it um for some certain [clears throat]
[24:53] tools, hand tools that we need that are
we don't we either we don't have them
[24:58] currently or uh we need additional um
>> sorry harnesses. Um yeah, harnesses,
[25:05] that thing, those kind of things that
[clears throat] um that's why we have
[25:08] that $20,000 into that for those um
specific things there. But all the
[25:13] ladders, all the hose, um that'll all
come on the truck. That's actually one
[25:17] of the things that Pierce I had Pierce
add into their quote because they did
[25:20] not have the hose in. Um so they added
uh 700 foot of 5 in, 250 foot of inch
[25:27] and 3/4, and like 200 feet of two and a
half. Um that was all already in the
[25:32] court.
You said we'd sell the other two.
[25:36] » I mean, are we talking
>> 100,000 for both? Maybe not that much.
[25:42] » They can't be sold as fire trucks.
>> They can't. So, part of the grant part
[25:46] of the FEMA requirements is they cannot
go into fire service for they have to be
[25:51] removed from the fire service. There are
some loopholes. They can get them back
[25:54] in. Um, but in order to get it
reertified after that point, they would
[25:58] have to be up to the current
requirements, which nobody's going to
[26:02] spell.
>> So, they're parade vehicles from that
[26:04] point on.
>> They're going to be parade vehicles.
[26:05] » I've seen them down to
>> I've seen them before.
[26:08] » They've talked about third. Yeah.
>> Some will have the name on the front.
[26:13] Yeah.
>> But like the the ladder truck that quite
[26:17] possibly would go to like a tree
service. I've seen several tree people
[26:20] that um have used old fire trucks as
their aerial for doing tree services,
[26:25] things like that.
>> Use them.
[26:27] » Now, Vicki did say that the ladder is
the one that has to be completely out of
[26:34] fire. That's the
>> That's how we understand.
[26:36] » He did say the 50
uh 503 that pumper can be sold as a fire
[26:43] truck. So,
>> that's how I understood it.
[26:44] » So, that's that's what Mickey told me.
So that money which I would imagine
[26:50] might be 30 to $40,000 if that. So
>> what are you going to do with the truck
[26:58] that's out there? Did you find out what
it needs?
[27:01] » They are the 504 is out there being
assessed now. Um basically there was a
[27:07] diode in the engine engine harness that
burnt. um doing in the diagnostics from
[27:15] what they told me when that diode burns
it is a uh ignition or the engine
[27:21] control module and the ignition
something with or not the injector pulse
[27:26] controller or something like that. They
got a new control module on order. Uh
[27:31] they were programming it up in Fort
Wayne I believe this morning when I
[27:34] talked to them. Um, so when they get
that once the program, they'll get that
[27:38] put in and they were still working on
getting the other part. So they're
[27:42] hopeful though.
>> So it might be feasible to fix it.
[27:45] » Oh, absolutely.
>> It's a it's a lot better lot different
[27:48] fix than a motor.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[27:50] » So when you said that,
>> so we're looking probably in the $6,000
[27:53] range. If if those two fix it and parts,
well, obviously labor on top of that,
[27:58] » then you can use it till you get
absolutely needed.
[28:01] » Yeah.
since Fish brought it up and it's got
[28:04] absolutely nothing to do with buying a
new one. What's the timeline for getting
[28:07] rid of 504 then?
>> Just so council's kind of got an idea.
[28:13] What are we looking at?
>> Anytime
[28:17] in the fire service trucks are 20-year
trucks. That truck's 203.
[28:25] » So now you promised us 30 years with the
Quinn. Oh yeah.
[28:30] » Well,
>> that is what you guys absolutely
[28:34] [laughter]
[28:37] » so I mean the only reason I brought it
up so council can start planning on
[28:42] buying another truck.
>> We will need to start looking at
[28:46] » a new frontline engine as well,
>> right? And we've talked about that with
[28:49] Cheryl with, you know, ambulances and
making sure that that we're on a
[28:53] rotation so that they're not surprise.
And I actually asked Cheryl, I said, "Do
[28:57] we have like where we put money away
every year to buy a firetruck?" She
[29:01] said, "No, we don't. We should, but we
don't. There's never money to do that
[29:04] with."
>> They have written it in as
[29:06] contingencies, and unfortunately, the
budget never allows.
[29:08] » Exactly. And that's just the way it is.
The money is not there in order to do
[29:12] that. Ideally,
>> we need to prioritize.
[29:15] » We would plan on, you know,
>> Yeah.
[29:17] » 20 every 20 years if you you planned on
replacing them because that's their life
[29:22] cycle.
>> Yeah. Um, but obviously we are exceeding
[29:25] our life cycle. We've proven that most
of our trucks over there are exceeding
[29:29] that. So
>> we still got the yellow one.
[29:31] » No, that that one's been gone for a
while
[29:36] » now. [clears throat]
>> So ultimately, you know, we want to get
[29:40] this plant all all done, but there are
options to get used pumpers to buy us
[29:47] some more time for a lot less cost. So,
I mean, there's options out there. You
[29:52] know, if we want to get off of this
rotation where, you know, the quint was
[29:57] just a large expense and we want to not
spend so much money, there are other
[30:00] options out there. So, I mean, uh,
definitely a lot more options to save
[30:05] some money at this point, you know. So,
>> a new pumper right now is about a
[30:09] million dollars.
>> Yeah, they're one oneish for for a new
[30:13] bumper. Um, but
there again, if we we go used, there's
[30:18] obviously you'll save money buying
something used, 10 years old, something
[30:22] like that off of a a mid to larger
department. Um,
[30:27] they still have life left in them at
that point. You can't use any grant
[30:30] money toward that. So, that would not be
an option. It would be a straight
[30:33] purchase for the village um if we were
to do that. So, um there's several
[30:38] different options um as far as an engine
um as far as our main bumper. Um but
[30:46] there's a chance that we fix 504 and we
don't have any more issues with it for
[30:52] extended period of time either or we get
it back and 6 months later we have
[30:56] another issue.
>> Each year in 504 each year has had one
[31:00] major incident over the last three or
four years.
[31:03] » So last year we put like to $9,000 into
it.
[31:09] » Then now we're back to
>> that was for uh head gasket with blue.
[31:14] » So like there was an engine issue. Now
something else is going on in the engine
[31:18] area which is several more thousand. My
concern was just that the building is
[31:25] just going to get tired of putting money
into an engine that just keeps on
[31:30] » falling apart or not being reliable.
>> And that's my only concern. No matter
[31:34] what, we have to keep fixing it. But at
some point, we have to decide we're done
[31:38] putting money into it and go a different
route.
[31:41] » And that's part of the reason we're
getting the new Quint is because we're
[31:44] getting rid of two trucks. So now you
don't have maintenance on either those
[31:47] two trucks. You have a brand new truck
that's going to last you a lot longer.
[31:50] And like he said 20 years and you're
like, "Oh, you promised us 30." This
[31:54] truck, it I think this stainless steel
body's a stainless steel body.
[32:00] » Stainless steel body. So nothing's going
to rust there. Um, the ladder itself is
[32:05] not welded like a lot of them are. And
as a welder, I can test back those. Uh,
[32:09] they're not welded. So, there's no no
welds that ever crack on the uh, suffin.
[32:13] They are all huff bolded, which is nice
because bolts have shear strength that's
[32:18] a lot higher than most welds. So, the
whole ladder there is huff bolded. You
[32:22] never have to worry about weld cracking
or getting welds rewelded if it did
[32:25] crack. So, you don't have problem there.
[clears throat] Stresses weld, whatever
[32:29] cracks it. Um, but all in all, I that
>> the aerial does have a 30-year warranty
[32:37] on it. Um,
the the whole truck as a whole as a big
[32:43] truck from Canish, that whole truck is
all standard parts. So, it should be any
[32:48] parts that most truck manufacturers will
have on shelf, but most parts we call
[32:53] over to Bokeis and Butler. not um
>> butler or over to um New Haven and they
[33:02] should have most any part for it so
that's never a problem and then if
[33:05] anything ever does happen right down to
Columbus 2 hours
[33:11] » and they also have a road crew that will
come to you as well
[33:16] which is I guess nice convenient and
they overnight parts to you straight
[33:22] here hop on the know that there's
something major that will put your app
[33:28] out of service. They guarantee a certain
timeline to get to you to get it back in
[33:34] service. So, those are kind of the
comforting things that
[33:39] we took into a fact in picking who we
picked.
[33:46] » Yeah, I do that too. They have a team
that comes in. So, I win. If
[33:50] [clears throat] we go with Suffin when
they come in here, Suffin has a whole
[33:54] that will come with them and tell you
everything that you do and don't want to
[33:59] know about the truck, the ins and outs.
They hold trainings about the truck.
[34:04] Whether you go there or come here, they
conduct classes, trainings on everything
[34:09] about the truck that you bought. It's a
whole big inservice and class about it.
[34:14] » Is that part of the package as well?
[34:18] It's both.
>> So, with the package is a three-day
[34:21] training where they'll come here,
they'll train us, train the department
[34:25] on um doing in different different times
of the day so we can catch everybody on
[34:29] different shifts. Um but they do have
additional training that we can go to uh
[34:34] or have them come do. Um, I know when we
went down there, they were setting up
[34:38] for a uh basically like a mainten a PM
class that um go in and basically go
[34:46] through their training as far as
everything how it all needs PM mostly
[34:50] like Mor departments that are doing all
that for when they have on staff the
[34:54] mechanics that are doing all that stuff.
So, um, but they do have multiple
[34:57] different trainings that are available
that we can go to.
[35:00] » I'm assuming all of them do, don't they?
I'm not going to say it's
[35:03] [clears throat] like no different than
anyone. I mean that kind of money
[35:06] » they all offer that.
>> Yeah.
[35:12] » Well, I know that when this first
started and we had these conversations
[35:14] with Mickey and he said, you know, 1.1
mil and when the numbers first came back
[35:18] as 1.8, um, obviously we were a bit
shocked. I really want to thank you guys
[35:22] for doing your due diligence, going out
there, getting these sideby-side quotes,
[35:26] and also educating us because I don't
know what you do. You guys know what you
[35:30] do. You guys know what you need. I just
know financially what that looks for the
[35:33] village. and being able to compromise
like you said is really important for
[35:35] me. So I mean I do support your guys's
option here. Um like Nikki said there it
[35:41] really wasn't that much difference in
the end.
[35:44] » I would like to have Mickey look over of
course one last time but I would make a
[35:48] motion for the sub.
>> I second that.
[35:54] » Good. Roll call.
>> Sedak.
[35:56] » Yes.
>> Hegley.
[35:58] » Yes.
>> Basset.
[35:59] » Yes.
>> Gwick.
[36:00] » Yes.
>> Miller.
[36:01] » Yes.
>> Lena. Yes.
[36:04] [cough]
>> Very good. But with that, um, send it to
[36:08] Mickey one more time, I guess, tonight
since he's already got it.
[36:12] » I'll click send. That's fine.
>> Uh, but we have to have a resolution,
[36:16] right?
>> Sign it.
[36:19] » I know Seno extended their contract.
>> They extended till the 15th of March.
[36:24] » But we can't really we we can't sign the
contract until the resolution's done.
[36:29] That's the kicker. Is he going to We
could have it probably here by what the
[36:33] next meeting,
>> but 16,
[36:37] » right? If he's okay with the village
motion tonight that he knows he's um
[36:42] suff the contract, he's got to get the
paperwork filer.
[36:52] » We can we can call them now if you want.
>> Up to you guys.
[36:56] » No.
[36:59] So, with that being said, is there
anything else we got? Like I said,
[37:03] » we can't talk anything.
>> No, I'm not saying about anything and
[37:06] not anything else. Again, thank you for
your time and your due diligence and
[37:10] putting the proposal together. I know
we've had a lot of discussion. You guys
[37:14] a lot of discussion. So, I think this is
a a great meeting to finalize the the
[37:18] plan. Um, and we'll keep moving forward.
So, thank you very much for being here,
[37:23] everybody. And
>> thank you.
[37:24] » Thank you, guys.
We got a motion to adjourn in a second.
[37:31] » Roll call.
>> Yeah.
[37:35] » Ske.
>> Yes.
[37:36] » Basset.
>> Yes.
[37:37] » Miller.
>> Yes.
[37:38] » Elena.
>> Yes.
[37:39] » Gwick.
>> Yes.
[37:40] » Eggley.
>> Yes.
[37:44] » I didn't said double minutes off.
[37:51] Hey, there's a