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Good evening. We're going to uh call our

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city council special meeting to order

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for August uh 25th, 2026. And right now

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the time is 5:30 p.m.

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Uh we want to welcome everyone here in

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the audience and and at home. Our first

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business order of business is roll call.

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» Councilmember Hogan?

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» Here.

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» Councilmember Lilburn? She has an

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excused absence due to a conflict of

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interest requiring recusal from the sole

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item on tonight's agenda.

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Councilmember McMillan?

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» Here.

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» Councilmember Saldana?

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» Here.

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» And Councilmember Timber?

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» Present.

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» All right. At this time, we are going to

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move on to public comment and I'm going

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to look to uh our city clerk to read us

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into public comment.

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» Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem. At this time,

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we will open the public comment period.

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Members of the public may address the

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city council matters that are within the

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city's jurisdiction and they're only

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listed on the agenda. I don't see any

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public speakers um remotely or in

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person.

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» Okay.

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» And no emailed public comments either

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submitted by email.

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» Excellent. Thank you. Okay, we're going

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to move on to the uh legislative item on

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the agenda, actions related to the

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Highland Senior Center HVAC systems. And

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I'm going to look to Octavio for a

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presentation.

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» Good evening, Mayor Pro Tem, city

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council. Uh tonight we'd like to provide

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an update on the Highland Senior Center

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HVAC project and uh seek direction from

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the council regarding completion of the

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project using uh CDBG and additional

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city funds.

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Um as a reminder, uh city's awarded uh

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about $180,000 in CDBG funding through

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the county in 2024 and this is part of

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um COVID relief funds and um the um

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the purpose of that grant, the county

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suggested

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um the Highland Senior Center as a

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viable candidate for for those funds. Uh

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So, the project was intended to address

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the Highland Senior Center's three

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existing

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HVAC systems, aging system.

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This project was seen as critical given

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it serves our senior community and it's

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also one of two cooling centers in the

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region.

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Or if you know, that's open to our

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Highland

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residents.

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This project facilitated by the city

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and the grant requires that all work be

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completed by September 30th

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in order to

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you know, get costs reimbursed.

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Since the approval,

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the project's encountered um

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challenge after challenge,

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unforeseen circumstances.

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When we first started the project, it

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was intended to be a

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really a like-for-like replacement.

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equipment, worked with the

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the vendor, the manufacturer of that

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equipment and we asked for proposal to

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really replace those units in kind. At

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the time,

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we received a proposal to replace all

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three systems for about $120,000.

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because this this was on a

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the building is owned by the state, we

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needed approval from the state to move

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forward with the project. You know, fast

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forward after you know, a couple years

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of coordination,

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we were finally given direction to

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provide engineered plans and receive

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approval from the state fire marshal. Um

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This happened roughly this past spring.

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Because time was of the essence, so even

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though I said the

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the grant expires or the deadline for

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the grant was September is September

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30th,

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at one point in time it was June 30th

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and we were able to get an extension to

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keep the project alive, keep it going

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given the circumstance.

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piece there as far as timing's

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concerned.

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Uh so because time was of the essence,

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uh we engaged one of our on-call

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engineering firms, WSP, who's

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uh well-versed in this type of work, has

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worked with the state getting approvals

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from the State Fire Marshal office.

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uh we received we we completed those

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those plans and we received approval

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from the state. Uh but that effort alone

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was uh roughly $43,000.

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once we had those plans in place, we

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reached out to a carrier who had

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provided the proposal prior. And uh we

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determined that

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uh the the cost had significantly

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increased due to additional items that

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the state required to be

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uh done for the project. So it was no

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longer a like-for-like uh you know, in

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kind replacement. We had to do a bunch

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of duct work and um

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uh other uh construction-related items

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to to meet the the state requirement. Um

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uh but all hope was not lost. Um we

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pivoted rather than focusing on three

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systems like we initially planned.

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you know, deliver a project and and

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deliver two systems, uh or so we

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to move forward with with a new proposal

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that had given us um

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uh for the two systems,

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they let us know uh that equipment was

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no longer available and it would take uh

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about 12 weeks to actually get that

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equipment. Uh that wouldn't work with

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the timeline of the grant, so we had to

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pivot once more.

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we engaged our engineer and um other

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uh vendors to try to find an alternate

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substitute for for these systems or for

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the HVAC system.

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find that train

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um would be able to provide alternate

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units and they were, you know,

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ready,

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um available, and they could deliver it

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within the grant timeline.

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they couldn't secure the

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piece of equipment without a signed

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purchase order. Given the experience

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that we had had with Carrier,

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purchase order for just one system

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um because there was an unknown of of

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labor. Uh they were concurrently

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reviewing the scope

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uh make sure that they uh

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uh gave us a an accurate labor cost for

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the installation of that unit and we

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also um asked for quotes for for the

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rest of the the systems.

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systems, um much like before, was beyond

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the budget um and uh we focused on a

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single system.

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you know, uh to our surprise, the the

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cost of that single system had increased

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significantly compared to the cost that

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we had seen before.

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labor uh was $156,000.

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had reserved,

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uh we were looking at $191,000

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um and a you know, we're

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we're requesting a 20 uh roughly a 10%

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contingency, so $20,000,

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uh you're looking um uh

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a deficit of roughly $81,000

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um uh, to to able to complete a single

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we are right now. Um,

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to date we've spent, uh, $55,000 on on

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this project and

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uh, one important consideration is that

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uh, so not only do we have the grant

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deadline, uh, but one piece that's, uh,

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required is that we deliver the project

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to be able to,

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uh, get the, uh, the money that we've

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already spent reimbursed.

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when you take out the $20,000

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contingency, uh, the cost of moving

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forward with the project is $61,000.

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you know, with that, I you know, I'd

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like to conclude my presentation and

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open it up to any questions you might

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I'm confused.

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I was reading the list of, uh, of, uh,

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materials and it looks like there's a

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air conditioning unit and a heat pump.

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Are they two separate units or one

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a response, but I also have Jim

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Richardson here who's, uh, I call him an

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HVAC expert and can better explain it.

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Uh, but how it works, it's it's a

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system. So, I think I probably used unit

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and system interchangeably. So, you have

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three systems and you have a combination

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um, two to four units per system. It's

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kind of depends on the build. Uh, so,

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uh, in this particular case, we would

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be, uh, if if the council chooses to

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move forward, we would be completing uh,

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one of the three systems. I I believe it

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was, you know, three units, both heating

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and ventilating and, uh, air

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conditioning.

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so we're in essence we're replacing unit

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with a heat pump,

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which does air conditioning and heating

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at the same time.

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» Yeah, I'll I'll call Jim who can better

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explain it.

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» You got to turn the mic on.

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» So, uh the unit that's being replaced

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that is uh still in this uh

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request is a Trane.

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The outdoor unit is a Trane

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uh condenser and the indoor part is make

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made up of two

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fan coil units that are sistered

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into one uh plenum

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and it's because of the space that's in

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the building is limited. So, it actually

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takes two units inside to two five-ton

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units inside

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that are coupled with the outdoor 10-ton

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If that makes sense.

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I don't understand, but but uh I know uh

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at AQMD, we're trying to get everyone to

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use heat pumps instead of H you know,

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air conditioning systems.

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» I can confirm that it is uh it's all

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electric heat pump. It's We The existing

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unit is gas electric and the new unit is

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all electric.

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» Okay. Okay.

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Thank you.

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Question uh for

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Tish, I guess. The uh 81,000

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is it that's coming from our general

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fund?

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» Yeah, it would come from the general

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fund because we can't use special

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revenue funds to fund a project like

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this. You can only use general fund. So,

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we'll be using our general capital

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financing fund

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technically.

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If you choose to do so.

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» Being reimbursed by community

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development.

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» We're only being reimbursed for 178,000

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and some change, and the rest is what we

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have to actually pay out of pocket as

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is.

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» And we're paying for a project that's

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not in the city?

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» Correct.

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But it directly benefits our residents

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is why we're allowed to actually even

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consider it. Yeah.

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Only from the general fund money. We

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can't use any of our special revenue

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accounts to fund it.

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» Um I have a question for Octavio and and

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I guess Jim.

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Um so you you mentioned that we were

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initially we were going to install three

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systems, and then because of time and

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the permitting process and that, you

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know,

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uh those constraints that we narrowed it

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down to one system.

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Will that one system be sufficient to

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cool off the building to to be Is it

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adequate enough to call it a cooling

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center for our seniors?

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» Yeah, so so the

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the system serve different portions of

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uh the center.

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Um

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I mean officially, I don't I don't know

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what um the requirements for a cooling

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center would be, but

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um

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you know,

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moving forward with with this would

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provide the the adequate cooling um

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within portions of of the senior center

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and

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» And you know, it is assuming the the

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main the general areas like where they

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congregate and do some most of the

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activities.

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» Yes, so so the

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the systems are

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functioning now, so it's serving as a

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cooling center as is. However, there's a

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lot of maintenance uh issues and uh the

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system tends to be down pretty

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frequently, so uh moving forward uh with

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this uh may address this at least, you

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know, one of the three aging systems.

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» Okay.

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Okay, any

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Larry?

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» Uh

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Well, I would

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I would definitely support and move the

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the project forward. However, since

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we're using general fund money,

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uh

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I would like to ask the city manager as

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part of this motion to seek

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reimbursement from the state or and

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county to replace the general fund money

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since we are in essence donating to the

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senior center.

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» And if I may respond to that, um so we

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will certainly try to do that. Um but

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just to be clear, you know, we don't

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have the time to get that approved ahead

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of time because we have September Yeah,

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so we will definitely

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um both approach um

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you know, the state and also the county

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uh for effectively a reimbursement to

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the city for the local funds we're going

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to spend.

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» Especially the state since they're the

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ones that causing this additional funds

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to be needed.

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» Surely.

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» Right.

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» Yes.

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» Okay, so I've got a motion.

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» I second.

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» And I second. I got a motion from

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McAllen and a second from Hogan.

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Uh all those in favor?

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» Aye.

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» Aye.

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» Any opposed?

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» Just to follow up on I just want to make

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sure it's a reflect in the minutes what

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Larry just discussed. I have heartburn

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spending general fund money outside the

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city even though it does probably

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service a lot of Island citizens in a

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state building which required us to put

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increased costs into this project in

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their building.

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Government is running absolutely amok.

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I mean

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» I I agree with you, John. I

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if I may share while I was out

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canvassing for my campaign and speaking

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to some of these seniors,

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a lot of them that are on fixed budgets

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don't want to run the AC system, you

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know, they they can't afford to it and

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it being 109° outside today, I can only

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imagine what you know how they're

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suffering. So, us being able to provide

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this, even if it is a state building, us

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being able to provide this for them, I

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think, you know, it's a step in the

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» Well, I understand I approve the

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project, but there's just heartburn that

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the state's requiring us to do extra

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things to get this project through in

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their building to service citizens of

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the county, Highland, and the state of

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California. Makes absolutely no sense.

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But,

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» Hopefully Carlos can get us that money

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reimbursed, but okay.

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» And and then just to be clear, as part

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of the recommendation by city council,

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we do have an eighth item, and that is

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for the city manager to seek

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reimbursement from the state and/or the

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county for the city's share. So, just

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want to put that into the record.

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» Into the record, yes.

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» Yes, thank you.

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» Okay. Does that require a separate vote?

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That's just

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» No, that was It's all part of the same

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vote that the council

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» Okay. Um if we don't have any other

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items, uh we will adjourn.

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» Now, can I ask a question? This is not

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on the agenda. It's it's off the agenda,

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but it's we're not going to ask or make

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a decision. I'd like an update

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on the stolen cameras.

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Uh makes no sense that

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How are they stealing on a pole that's

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30 or 40 ft in the air unless you've got

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a boom truck? And can we get an update

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where that's at and what do we have what

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information we have about the theft? It

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just to me is what mind-boggling.

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» Yeah, so I'll I'll I'll be brief because

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it's not an item on the agenda, but just

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as part of my updates that I would give

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to the council, I suppose I can take a

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few minutes to cover that item. Um what

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I can tell you is that we did have

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vandalism at three separate locations. I

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could tell you that Captain Dean is

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making this a priority for him. They are

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going to

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catch the people. They No, they they

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They there's there's vandalism. They're

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cutting the poles. They're damaging the

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equipment.

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» The poles most of them are on traffic

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signal poles.

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» Actually

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there are some that are not. There are

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on poles. In fact, the one that

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just to give you a point of reference,

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there's one right there in front of the

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Starbucks on Baseline at the 210 Freeway

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and it's in the median and you can see

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it. It's it's visible. It's about the

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height of

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you know a street street sign like a

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street name sign or or a stop sign. So

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it's a pole of that height. So not all

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cameras are set up higher in elevation,

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but that is something that we're looking

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to do in order to

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» So they're basically being stolen low

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elevated.

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» Correct. Cameras that are accessible.

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Obviously people shouldn't be doing

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that, but the fact of the matter is

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they're there.

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They are accessible. All they have to do

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is cut the pole and they're the camera

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will come down with the panel with solar

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panel and everything. So this is an

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issue.

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And so we we are working with Flock to

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get those cameras replaced, but we're

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also working the PD is also working

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» Pole I hope.

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» Right. We're looking at those yeah, so

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that we don't necessarily

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put them right back where it was because

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obviously we need to take a different

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approach.

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» I don't think we should continue talking

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about where the cameras are and how high

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they are.

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» Yeah.

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» And and um since this item is not on the

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agenda, I I would recommend that we wrap

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up the discussion as well.

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» Thank you, Marcella. Okay, with that we

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will adjourn.

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» Thanks for patience.

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» I was just envisioning how they climb