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Members of the Commission, the audio is now streaming on the internet.

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We can't start for another five minutes.

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Hello.

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Good evening.

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Brian.

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Good.

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Good evening.

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I love it.

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He has a cigarette.

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First time in a minute.

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She's so cool.

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She's so cool.

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She's so cool.

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No, no, that's the agenda.

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That's for you.

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Yeah, I can do it.

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You're a little bit nervous.

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Can you see the presence?

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And the presence is kind of cute to sign.

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No, the voice is kind of cute.

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Oh.

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You can see the other.

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Yeah, the other.

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The action results.

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We're in the lead count as a checking of the number.

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Yeah.

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That's the less, we're in the west.

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I mean, the walls.

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I mean, the west roof.

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We'll be here.

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I can't wait to get out of the gate.

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That's the real thing.

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That's right.

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For a human's to show you.

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That's the real thing, right?

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It's the real thing, right?

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Well, Nancy's winning big, you know, it's early and it's very tight for, yeah, through

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That's too close to go.

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Yeah, you only need to finish.

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You don't need to beat everybody.

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Man, what's up?

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What's up?

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Hi.

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Hi.

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What's up?

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What's up?

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What's up?

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What's up?

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What's up?

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What's up?

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What's up?

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What's up?

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What's up?

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What's up?

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I'm not staying that way.

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I'm not staying that way.

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All right, I'm checking one more thing and then we're going to start it.

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I know,

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I'm thinking I like that idea.

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I'm trying to help you.

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Now, if you want to put out some food,

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I don't think you're going to do this thing.

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I'm okay with that.

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Come on, one more, come on, that's to me.

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Tell me one, thirteen.

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I'm trying to help you.

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I'm not here.

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I'm trying to help you.

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I'm trying to help you.

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I'm trying to help you.

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It's disappointing, but the only need to finish in the four.

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I like to be fashionably late, it's 7.30.

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I'm sorry, but what did you go with the picture?

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I hear by call the April 2nd 2019 meeting of the City of Highland Park Plan and Design Commission, open for business, and I have a roll call please.

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Yes, Mr. Chairman.

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Annette Littleer.

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President.

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Jenna Pearlstein, Michael Leath, Ben Kutscheid, Adam Glazer, Ernie Ryanstein, Herr, Chairman

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Hack, Herr, Mr. Chairman, we have a forum.

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Thank you.

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First item up for business is approval of the minutes of the last meeting on March 19,

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2019.

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Mr. Chair, as a point of order, through a computer error, these minutes were not included

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in the packet.

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They are available for public viewing outside and the meeting had a lot to do is very policy heavy meeting with some zoning text amendments being discussed

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So if the commission is willing I would I would recommend or ask for a motion to continue the approval of these minutes to the April 16 agenda

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So that they can post it online and available for public review.

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I wasn't here.

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Oh, almost second.

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All in favor.

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Motion carries the approval of those minutes will be continued to the next meeting.

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I'm just scheduled business, we're, before we begin,

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a couple of things, one, we have a packed agenda tonight,

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with this, everybody can see a large,

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a lot of people that want to speak on all of them,

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on all the matters really that are on the agenda tonight,

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in order to keep things moving,

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I am going to limit the amount of time we spend on each,

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not that we're going to necessarily vote at the end of that time,

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But just that everybody gets an opportunity.

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We're going to move through the agenda fairly quickly.

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And if we're not done on one item,

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we will continue to the next one.

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And also I understand that item number three

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on the agenda is that the applicant is under some time

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constraints, so we do want to get to that one tonight

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at least to open the public hearing.

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We're going to limit each person to three minutes.

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I'm also going to ask that we try not to bring in redundant testimony, I understand a lot of you will feel exactly the same way as the person who spoke before you, but I'd ask that just so we can give everybody an opportunity to speak and also to move forward on these items so that the applicants get a decision and at least as timely of a manner as we can.

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We'll try to limit comments to new to something that hasn't been said so much in the past.

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But again, we will give everybody an opportunity to be heard within those constraints.

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Also, under the rules of this commission, the meeting is supposed to end at roughly 1030.

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As best we can, I'm going to adhere to that just so that we're all respectful of everybody's time and the fact that we have other commitments and so on.

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That being said, again, I do want to get through as much of the agendas we can and we'll make every effort to do so.

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I want to thank everybody in advance for just helping us out with that.

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The, on the agenda itself, we have five items, although the first two relate to the same property, and first three.

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That's correct, Mr. Chair. The first three item.

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The minor continuation.

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And we're helping the situations of a matter that was opened two hearings ago.

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That's correct. It was open in the first meeting in Mark March, and I'm trying to black as the date that was.

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but I think it was the stage fifth, right?

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And at that time, we handled that as a consolidated application.

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So again, to avoid some redundancy,

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and we're going to do that again today.

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So we're going to start with that item,

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which is items one, two, and three.

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The continuation of the following public hearings,

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18-11-PUD-01, for a special use in the nature

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plan development for a senior housing facility, public hearing 18-12-REZ-002 for a zoning

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map amendment that changed the zoning district from I industrial to RM1 medium to high

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density residential. And then the third is public hearing 18-12-SUP-004 for a special use

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consideration to allow and nursing home care facility as a conditional land use in the RM1 zoning

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disk.

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That public hearing was opened again a month ago, so we'll move directly to our staff

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presentation.

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Thank you, Chairman Hect.

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Good evening.

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My name is JB Jackson.

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I'm a planner with the city.

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So we are talking about 1535 Park Avenue West, the proposed senior living facility.

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Just to refresh where the site is located, it is on the north side of Park Avenue West directly west of the rail tracks in U.S. 41.

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A brief overview of the application, the applicant is proposing independent living units, assisted living units, and memory care units.

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As Chairman Heck said, this is...

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It's three concurrent public hearings, so they are also requesting a zoning change to downzone the property from a light industrial district to a multi-family residential district and also to allow for a conditional use within that multi-family district.

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So, brief review of what we've discussed so far back in November. There was a pre-application meeting. The Commission provided feedback and that was used for the presentation on March 5th.

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After that presentation, there were several questions posed by the Commission and staff has

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prepared this presentation to go over those additional questions and request for information.

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So we'll walk through each of these 10 items plus some additional items as well.

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So first was the market study at the time of the public hearing a march this last time.

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The applicant had submitted a market study, but the Commission had not had a chance to review

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that study. So they have that now. In addition, the applicant has included an additional

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market study. The first one was prepared by CDRE. There were some concerns about

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conflicts of interest with that. So they have submitted an additional market study by

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Jones-Langless Health. Both of them essentially say there is unmet demand for senior

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living facilities.

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The second area that was discussed was stormwater management. The city

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Pile and Park staff has confirmed that the initial stormwater proposal submitted meets code

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requirements.

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The applicant has since updated that stormwater management program, and they are going to

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be allowing for increased stormwater that is actually required by code.

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So, the site will actually be able to handle additional stormwater than what is needed.

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Again, here's a preview view of that, and the applicant can get in to a little bit more detail.

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Third item, there's a question about the retaining walls and what those look like.

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So as you can see on the west side of the property, the side that is facing the properties that are on grained road,

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there's a retaining wall and a fence that will help screen the parking lot on the west side.

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Behind that there's also going to be landscaping.

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on the east side, the side that faces the railroad tracks, they propose a similar design

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sightly different kinds.

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There are questions about the delivery schedule and the applicant provided the following

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information for deliveries and noted that all of these deliveries will be outside of peak traffic

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hours.

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In addition, for example, just for the benefit of everybody, we're telling us what the city

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views is the peak traffic hours.

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Generally, and I believe it's to the traffic engineers, but generally you're considered

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rush hour time, so I want to say between seven to nine a.m. in the morning and between

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four and six p.m. in the evenings. But please traffic people correct me. Similarly,

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with the facility staffing, there are some questions about how many staff would be there,

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and again, these staff changes are outside of those peak traffic hours generally.

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That's the number of that are changing each, that those, I believe that, yes, and the applicant can clarify that.

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With regard to parking, there were some questions about whether or not the parking that is provided can accommodate special events and holidays.

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Based on the applicant's experience with this type of development,

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They have provided these estimations of utilization rates for parking lots, so even on the

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busiest holidays, they estimate that the lot will not be fully utilized, and on a general basis,

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they'll be quite a few open parking spaces.

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There's a question about the cost of development,

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and some of the numbers around the fiscal analysis. They estimated cost of the development is

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approximately 40 million at this time and in addition there are some questions about the fiscal analysis as it related to a staff report when we discussed

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industrial land uses on a separate topic.

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I just want to clarify that those numbers wouldn't match because they are measuring very separate things.

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So the fiscal analysis measure the building says value per square foot of the building where the staff report measured tax revenue

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per square foot of the entire land area.

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So very different numbers.

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We as staff use that tax revenue as a comparison for

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multifamily residential versus industrial.

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So we use that same methodology.

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But it wouldn't compare equally to the fiscal analysis.

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So the applicant provided additional renderings for the

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site design and character.

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So there's a better idea of what this might actually look like.

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For example, from Park Avenue.

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So if you are looking west at Park Avenue,

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you can see the before picture or the existing picture

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on the left-hand side of the screen

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and the bottom right shows what potentially it would look

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like with all the landscaping and the development as proposed.

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Here's another view looking down or looking north

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at the development from a parent.

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And again, another view of the site looking north from Povell.

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The applicant is also submitted these renderings of the night use to show the light shed.

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As you can see, a lot of the light is not reaching the property line, so it will be mostly contained within the site itself.

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The applicant is also updated their landscape plan.

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They've added 53 additional trees to further screen the property.

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And that includes further screening on the West to protect those neighbors that are on

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greenish road.

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Finally, there are some questions about the public benefit.

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The applicant has agreed to provide a public benefit that includes a sidewalk on the

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north side of the street in front of the facility, as well as extending that sidewalk to

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the east to connect to the trail system that is currently there.

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that includes working with the railroads and city staff to provide all the necessary safety requirements

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for rail crossings. In addition, we'll get into this in a bit for another requested variation.

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The applicant has proposed that the storm on our management, which goes above the code requirements,

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also be included as a public benefit.

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So that sums up some of the discussion points and

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questions that we had at the last meeting. There are some other things that staff wanted to add and

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that the applicant submitted that we wanted to review as well and some revisions to what we're

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previously submitted. So the first thing is the height. So originally the applicant measured the height

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of the building from grade. So it was a certain height from where it stood on the ground. However,

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Our city measures from average grade as planner crosses explain before this is measured from the setbacks of the building

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So this side is slightly sloped up into a hill, which does change the

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Measured height of the building

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But I do want to add that the height of the building as you see it hasn't changed so with regards to the rendering how it's viewed

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That's remained the same. It's just a matter of how it's measured at this point

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But that does impact the level of relief.

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So, this exhibit shows a little bit how that height has changed so you can see how measured from grade.

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These garages would meet the code, but because the average grade sits below where these garages are sitting.

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The actual height as measured per average grade is a lot higher.

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So with that in mind, the entire building has risen as measured from average grade, so the

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requested relief for height has increased.

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So previously, only the peaks that are highlighted there were the areas that were requested

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for relief that go beyond that 35 height limit for the RM-1 district, but now the entire

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building is above that 35 height limit.

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The application has gone through fire review, and there's been revision for that, and the latest fire review from a third party consultant has recommended conditional approval, and the conditions are based on reviews for permanent applications.

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So all that would go through when it goes through permitting.

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But for now, as far as fire safety goes, it is safe.

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Staff that it would be important to provide emergency call data, as you recall, the capital

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senior housing project that went into place and was approved several months ago, included

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this data, so I just wanted to provide that again, to just give an idea of how many calls

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for these types of senior living facilities occur on a regular basis.

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So two senior living facilities that are currently in Highland Park include

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Silverado and Sunrise.

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Both of them are solely assisted living in memory care.

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There are no independent units as proposed in this proposal.

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On average, there's less than one call a week for emergency services.

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So you notice nine one one calls those are the super merge.

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She's generally it's a lot of three one one calls general inquiries things like that.

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The next component is inclusionary housing.

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So because this development includes 87 independent living units,

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they are required to have inclusionary housing per article 21.

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Now they are proposing to put some of them on site,

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but the applicant is also requesting that they can pay out of some of them.

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Now, code requires that all of them are on site.

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And so they are requesting a variation to allow to put part of them on site and part of them off site.

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The applicant will work with staff and the housing commission to determine exactly how much that will be.

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But part of that also includes allowing for those affordable unit bonuses that come with putting housing on site.

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So again, the numbers have not yet been determined and that will be worked out with staff and the housing commission.

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With regard to public testimony, there was certainly a lot, and your packet includes several

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submissions, and those have all been included.

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After the staff report was submitted, there were additional public testimony letters

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that were submitted.

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You have those as is if it's A, B, and C.

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Generally, the ones that were submitted, and then are included, then staff report

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are in opposition of this project, the ones that are submitted and before you are for this project.

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And so it earned support of this project.

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A couple other things, just want to provide some clarification to ensure that all the facts are straight.

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There was some testimony about setbacks and how far the parking lot would be on the west side.

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And now close that would be to the properties on Grange Road.

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They are, in fact, 16 plus feet from that set back.

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So they meet code with that regard.

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There was a comment about Park Avenue needing upgrades,

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based on a conversation with the deputy fire chief,

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staff verified with the fire chief,

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whether or not Park Avenue needed any upgrades,

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based on that department's view of it, and they verify that no, in fact, they have no

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statement with regard to Park Avenue needing upgrades. Finally, just want to clarify any

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confusion about which master planning district, this proposal lies in, it is within the

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Skoki Highway Court or District. Now, adjacent to it is the Northwest Neighborhood Planning

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district and that is a very residential oriented district. However, the site is not within that

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planning district. So those policies do not necessarily apply to this site.

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So to summarize

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three-quested zoning relief, the first two are the same as they were before as presented for the

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side setbacks and those are for the garages and the parking lot on the east side, the side facing

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the railroad tracks number 3 and 4 have been updated to reflect the revised height and finally

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article 21 is an additional request for relief for that bifurcation of the inclusionary

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housing requirement.

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And with that, I ask that commission, consider the application and have a

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discussion. The applicant is here to present and answer any questions that you might have as well.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Chair, if I may?

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Just to just be really clear, so in terms of that relief, it's for the bifurcation of the

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affordable housing in terms of providing some onsite and some offsite, I mean, some onsite

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and some by payment and loo, and essentially allowing the project to benefit from the market

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rate unit bonuses for the units that are actually provided on.

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Right now, the way the code is, is if you do not provide all of the required units on site, you have no market rate unit bonus.

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So this is the same relief that the commission considered for the al veon at their preliminary application as well.

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Like how proposal would be made is what that split would look like.

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I would defer to the applicant, but what I know is that they are looking to do a split and not pay for all of them in lieu as they had originally indicated.

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In what is the bonus represent to the development?

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You get a certain number of market rate unit bonuses for every affordable unit that you provide on site.

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So that allows more units to be built.

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You could use a market rate unit for us to increase density,

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or you could use it to essentially,

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just not increase density, but essentially drive down

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the percentage of affordable units required.

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I was confused about this from the staff report,

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but I understand you to say that the relief

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It will be tied in only to the number of inclusionary units that they actually build as opposed

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through those that are counted for with a payment in lieu.

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Correct.

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So the really thing, what this would allow is them to receive market rate unit bonuses for

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the units that they do actually provide on site.

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Correct.

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So whatever proportion that is would be proportional to the market rate unit bonuses would

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personal to whatever they provide. And we have and maybe it's a question for corporation

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council. We have the the authority to grant that kind of relief under Article 21 based on a split

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of the inclusionary unit. That's the modification on the code. It's like any other

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modification that's part of a PUD. You can modify anything but density. It's a standard.

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There's

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use conditional in our M1, all of the uses?

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No, the independent living units are would be by right with the RM1 district.

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Okay.

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Any other questions or staff?

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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We'll hear from the applicant.

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Thank you.

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Mrs. Jackson.

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Mr. Chair, members of the Commission and staff.

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I'm Brady Hamilton with Tramil Crow Company.

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I appreciate the opportunity to share the updates we've made to our proposed projects

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since our last presentation on March 5th.

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We heard the questions and concerns

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that came from the commission as well,

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as the public during that meeting

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and Mrs. Jackson, her presentation,

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covered several key updates to the project.

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We've made sense and an effort to address these

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to help describe these changes.

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I would like to go into a bit further detail

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on the following topics.

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First, the building and garage height.

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Next, excuse me.

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uh... next the storm water management topic that she covered

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third

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a brief review of the market study the most recent one that was provided by jl

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next and updated summary of our public benefits proposal

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following that a review of the results of the fiscal study that was commissioned by

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testa and independently verified by the city

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and for the next topic on operations and an invite joe micklitch of legros senior living

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up to discuss operational concerns we've heard during previous meetings and then to conclude

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all summarized feedback we've received during this process as well as our efforts to address

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these concerns along with the comparison of the proposed project and alternative uses permitted

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under the light industrial zoning code. So starting with height is Mrs. Jackson shared in her

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presentation we've reduced the height of the accessory garage structures on the east side of the

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property but not the primary structure. And as she went into great detail and I won't go into further detail, the calculation is all that changed.

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The building itself has not changed. In previous hearings we have provided shadow studies and shading studies.

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Those studies also have not changed by virtue of what's been revealed in the time since the last hearing.

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And in all cases during three times a day and several seasons during the year, our proposed project and its design and height does not shadow any adjacent property structures.

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Mr. Hamilton, you're still asking for significant height relief over seven feet of height relief as it's now measured.

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What efforts have you made to minimize the amount of height relief that you need?

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Very good point and one that I'd like to mention, part of that height relief that we're requesting is actually an aesthetic design feature in several portions of the building.

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So the height relief reflects the fact that in certain areas of the building we've extended the fenestration of the building to provide that aesthetic design relief.

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Outside of that, we haven't based on the way that the buildings constructed, designed,

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prototypically for this use, we aren't able to reduce it by a full floor.

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And so our intention when beginning with the light industrial zone and guidance of 45 feet

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working to try and create an alternative use that had lower intensity.

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We worked with RM1 with the aesthetic design features really being the primary source of relief.

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we were requesting and in the meeting since we discovered that the calculation around the

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three corners as it turns out on this site as opposed to four at the setback is where

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that calculation was deemed to be drawn and we have not changed the project since our March

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fifth hearing with the exception to the accessory broad structures which we have reduced

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in height.

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Right, I heard you say that, but if it's the aesthetics that we're talking about, can you

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to find out how much we're talking about.

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It's going to be difficult to perceive,

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but this area is 38 feet, 4 inches or less.

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These aesthetic design features go

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up to in the middle, 42, 4, 40 feet, 8 inches, 39 feet,

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10 inches.

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So, at the flat roof condition, which we could maintain throughout the project, we just

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think it would not allow us to take advantage of the aesthetic design features in the code

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as an opportunity to address the perspective that the building creates on neighboring properties

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as well as Park Avenue. We couldn't keep it at 384 and then I request for relief. I believe

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if I'm calculating this correctly, Mr. Cross, Mrs. Jackson would be three feet four inches.

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Now, all of a sudden, you're sound reasonable.

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We're going to be somewhat reluctant up here to grant height relief for aesthetics.

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I mean, if you tell us that you can't possibly build your structure as an operational

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matter without this height relief, it's one thing.

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But to come in and ask the commission for this kind of height relief over seven feet

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based on aesthetics, that's a tough sell.

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Yeah, and I want to know about this at the last hearing, the calculation, discrepancy.

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We certainly would have addressed this at the March 5th hearing.

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This was determined in the time since, as we were continuing to work through the comments and

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feedback that we received from staff that we disclosed or discovered.

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And so we haven't had an opportunity before the public or before this body to address alternatives.

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I think the alternative that I just presented as one that we certainly would be wanted to consider.

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and it certainly wouldn't minimize the request.

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It would still be beneath the 45 feet

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that's permissible under the light and industrial zoning,

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not that we're using that as a guide,

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but that's what we interpret it at this site

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when we first pursued it and perceived its ability

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to be considered for an alternative less intense use.

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I understand.

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I'm not going to fingers, but since you've had

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a very short time to get used to the actual measurement

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from grade, you know, it is something

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that you may want to think about for us.

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Also along those lines, one of the letters from the constituents and from the neighbors also suggested flat roofs, as a possible way of keeping down the height, and said that that might be more aesthetically acceptable in light of the height.

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So I do think it's a very good point to consider.

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One other thing is that the finished floor elevation in the building is five feet above what is ground level now.

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And I understand that that's where you're getting your detention requirement by bumping the entire building up by feet.

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And that's also causing some aesthetic concerns around the edges, so that's kind of all ruling

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together.

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But I'm just pointing that out.

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The good news is that I could practice here this evening, so we can certainly try and address

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some of this in greater detail on that specific point.

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If necessary, I'd be more than happy to introduce into the commissioners to see if there's

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any dialogue.

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and particularly with staff as it relates to my calculation of what that revised relief request would be.

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This image before you just reflects the accessory garage structures again, we reduce the height of those as measured by two feet.

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And one of the highest groundwater management, we'll understand that this is a more

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full concern for the most closely affected neighbors and particularly the residents

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along Grange Road.

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And before I allow proposed design, we'll enhance the current stormwater management efficiency.

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I'd like to first explain how the site tools drawn around for our events of any volume today.

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As the site exists today, there's essentially a natural topographic ridge that starts up in the northeast corner and kind of extends down the site in this fashion.

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So, during a large rain event and of course there is no detention other than the drainage swales and drainage ditches that exist.

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During a heavy rain event, 5.65 acres of this 7.5 acres site, currently drained of the west,

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which definitely in heavier rainfall events comes in conflict or in competition with rainwater that could be surface draining from the west from those properties to the west.

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The remaining 1.8 acres on the east side of that natural ridge

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drains to the east into the drainage ditch that's part of the railroad right of way.

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So, during the design process for this project we certainly began to consider the codes applicable for development

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not just in Highland Park, but Lake County as well to determine the thresholds for on-site stormwater storage and release rates.

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In our case, the proposed project design, see if I can get to that, the proposed project design

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will allow the project to meaningfully exceed code as Mrs. Jackson reported by providing volume

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control on site that accommodates the storage of an additional 29,326 gallons of storm

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than code requires or 80% above code.

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This will serve as a public benefit really in two ways.

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First, all the storm water on site that will be collected from the impervious surfaces that will be adding as a part of this project.

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We'll be directed towards these basins up here.

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And in heavier rain events, the volume will be retained and the release will be controlled by way of these detention systems.

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So that it doesn't tax the off-site storm sewer infrastructure, but also by doing this, we've really changed the ratios of relationship of any pervious surface runoff.

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On the west, we now have less than an acre that really works to use the drainage swales on the western side of the property. The balance of the site will be working within this system.

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hand to the drainage ditches on the eastern property adjacent to the railroad right of

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weight.

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So I need to spot the impression that any development on this site would worsen the

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already challenged storm water conditions.

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We believe that this solution actually will enhance those storm water management conditions.

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Moving on, I'd like to address the JLL market study very briefly on the screen is

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essentially an excerpt from their conclusion it was some comment made in the last hearing that

462
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as Mrs. Jackson pointed out a conflict of interest may exist JLL and CBRE are both

463
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,320
globally recognized commercial real estate services firms that are actually competitors

464
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:07,220
and the conclusions drawn by JLL study very much mirror the conclusions drawn by CBREs

465
00:44:07,220 --> 00:44:14,480
to point out what JLL's study suggests is that the primary market area defined to be five miles

466
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:22,500
from this location. In 2021, we'll have unmet demand for 355, including this project, by the way,

467
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:29,100
including existing product and including others that are underway or planned. The primary market area

468
00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:36,520
will have unmet demand in 2021 for 355 independent living units, 295 assisted living units,

469
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,580
in 247 memory carry units.

470
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,140
CBREs forecast essentially reported similar findings.

471
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,940
We reviewed some of those in the last hearing.

472
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:47,620
I won't go through those again.

473
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:50,900
And I think any each independent study we presented

474
00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:54,560
the conclusion is consistent that there is a need in this community

475
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,000
to help address the needs of the aging population.

476
00:44:57,500 --> 00:44:58,860
We mentioned this last time.

477
00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:59,320
It's important.

478
00:44:59,320 --> 00:44:59,900
I mentioned again.

479
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,680
I think that this will be the only project in Island Park that will contain independent living units, assisted living units, and memory carry units all in one facility.

480
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:15,780
So that's a distinction from some of the other projects that you've seen recently or already have in town.

481
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:25,300
In the time since our last hearing, we've also modified the public benefits we're providing to the city as a part of this proposal.

482
00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:36,500
I've just mentioned in detail the storm that I won't go through that again, but that certainly is among them, and then as was pointed out, our sidewalk extension proposal to bring

483
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:44,560
along the north side of Park Avenue from that property all the way over to the railroad right away and then working closely with the city and staff

484
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:51,560
to engage with railroad authority to create a crossing with what hopes to be able to allow the neighborhood better access to that recreational trail.

485
00:45:53,610 --> 00:46:07,830
Next, I think at this point it's important, I'm going to review the fiscal study that was submitted as a part of the proposal, but I do want to make clear that we're not characterizing he's his public benefits.

486
00:46:08,570 --> 00:46:16,090
I just think that they are relevant in the consideration of the request for the zoning map amendment for light industrial to RM1.

487
00:46:16,090 --> 00:46:19,810
As Northern and the fiscal study, this project, which, by the way, the fiscal studies

488
00:46:19,810 --> 00:46:24,570
are requirement of us, we don't control the fiscal study, we provide it.

489
00:46:25,110 --> 00:46:28,730
The all we do is provide the number of units in the type of housing and the name gauge

490
00:46:28,730 --> 00:46:32,450
with staff in their fulfillment of that study.

491
00:46:33,370 --> 00:46:37,910
As Northern and the fiscal study, the project will contribute the following to the city and

492
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:39,970
in school districts and that's mentioned other taxing bodies.

493
00:46:39,970 --> 00:46:46,870
The proposed project requires us to pay an up front fee of about $443,000 based on current

494
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:53,790
calculations for city school park and library fees, while generating, of course, no additional

495
00:46:53,790 --> 00:46:55,710
burden to the school system.

496
00:46:56,030 --> 00:47:00,950
By way, this project, none of that permitted light industrial uses that have been outlined

497
00:47:00,950 --> 00:47:06,250
in Mrs. Jackson's presentation and staff report would be obligated to pay the same fee.

498
00:47:06,250 --> 00:47:11,990
It's also worth noting that the availability of these proposed units will allow current age and

499
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:16,690
residents within Halen Park to remain in Halen Park, sell their single family homes and

500
00:47:16,690 --> 00:47:20,310
and allow new families to enter the community.

501
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:25,250
This will currently generate, this is going to be a little difficult to read, I apologize,

502
00:47:25,470 --> 00:47:29,270
but the site currently generates $45,000 a year in property taxes.

503
00:47:29,890 --> 00:47:35,670
And that's for operational and stabilized our proposed project is projected by TASCA Associates

504
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:40,890
again the author of the fiscal study to generate over $600,000 per year in taxes.

505
00:47:41,530 --> 00:47:49,230
Over 10-year period, this amounts to just under $2.6 million, or a district 112, just under

506
00:47:49,230 --> 00:47:55,650
$2 million for a district 113 and just under $500,000 for the city of Highland Park.

507
00:47:55,650 --> 00:48:00,390
And this doesn't include revenue that would be generated for additional taxing bodies, such

508
00:48:00,390 --> 00:48:03,130
as the Library of Pension Funds in Lake County.

509
00:48:04,270 --> 00:48:07,010
The inclusionary housing topic also came up.

510
00:48:07,370 --> 00:48:12,930
We did come to the March 5th hearing requesting full payment in lieu of those and we are

511
00:48:12,930 --> 00:48:17,650
working with staff in the housing commission to bifurcate that requirement both on site

512
00:48:17,650 --> 00:48:20,870
and in fee in lieu and I think much has been discussed of that.

513
00:48:21,290 --> 00:48:24,470
So I will now introduce Joe McLish, who is before we start.

514
00:48:25,110 --> 00:48:26,670
So over that, we didn't get a breakdown.

515
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:31,350
Are you in any position to talk about a breakdown on the inclusionary housing?

516
00:48:32,310 --> 00:48:36,870
We haven't had the discussion with what has commissioned out a difference in respect for

517
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:42,450
this step in the process, but our expectation is to advocate that requirement we're committed

518
00:48:42,450 --> 00:48:43,390
to that.

519
00:48:43,630 --> 00:48:48,550
We are still asking for the article 21 variation as a function of splitting it and not providing

520
00:48:48,550 --> 00:48:57,210
all on site, but our offer would be to provide is close to 50% of those on site as possible.

521
00:48:58,110 --> 00:49:02,690
that's roughly what you're targeting for you know and we haven't had a conversation with

522
00:49:02,690 --> 00:49:07,150
the housing commission yet out of reference for the step in the process we have certainly

523
00:49:07,150 --> 00:49:12,670
with staff and and and that would be the approach we'd like to take and

524
00:49:13,790 --> 00:49:14,350
uh...

525
00:49:14,350 --> 00:49:15,610
across the ask you have

526
00:49:16,250 --> 00:49:20,450
don't we get a report from the housing commission after they've had a discussion

527
00:49:20,450 --> 00:49:23,170
yes often yes the uh...

528
00:49:23,170 --> 00:49:26,630
The Housing Commission will often provide a report to the Plan and Design Commission

529
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:32,330
if the timing works out that will play a part with meeting dates and they will come

530
00:49:32,330 --> 00:49:32,690
to them.

531
00:49:33,370 --> 00:49:35,490
The Plan and Design Commission is part of the preliminary recommendation.

532
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:36,490
Director?

533
00:49:36,930 --> 00:49:37,210
Yeah.

534
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:47,030
Mr. Chairman, the 2108 required fine, the 2108 is the section of code with regard to alternative

535
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:53,150
means of compliance that has that requires that there is a recommendation from the House

536
00:49:53,150 --> 00:50:00,510
commission that then goes to the City Council at a minimum. It frequently does come to the commission,

537
00:50:00,750 --> 00:50:06,490
but not necessarily. Yes. Okay. Sounds like it would be helpful if we had that before we went

538
00:50:06,490 --> 00:50:12,270
forward on this. The request for relief doesn't, it has no varying on that. It's a question of whether or

539
00:50:12,270 --> 00:50:19,070
not even want for whatever units provided on site that the market rate unit bonuses be proportionally

540
00:50:19,070 --> 00:50:26,370
apply to those units. That's that's all it would be. Doesn't specify the number of units or anything

541
00:50:26,370 --> 00:50:31,830
that's all. I'd add it for $2,000,000. I don't think $2,000. I understand, but it would, you know,

542
00:50:31,870 --> 00:50:35,710
in terms of gaining a level of comfort with this, if we turns out that they're going to comply,

543
00:50:36,530 --> 00:50:42,090
you know, with 5% of the inclusionary housing versus 50% you know, by having the units on site,

544
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:48,370
it might make some folks more comfortable or less comfortable. To the commission.

545
00:50:49,630 --> 00:50:53,070
Do we have any, do we know when the housing commission is,

546
00:50:54,210 --> 00:50:55,930
we'd be discussing this?

547
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:58,950
We're at a preliminary stage now.

548
00:50:59,070 --> 00:51:01,270
The housing commission is not taking this up yet,

549
00:51:01,590 --> 00:51:05,810
but we need to get the application from the applicant,

550
00:51:06,490 --> 00:51:09,270
plenary app, and it will be scheduled for meeting.

551
00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:09,990
They meet monthly.

552
00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:12,050
So their next meeting is tomorrow night.

553
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:12,710
It is not.

554
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:13,930
It's not going to happen tomorrow.

555
00:51:14,130 --> 00:51:14,830
That's my knowledge.

556
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:16,370
No, unless I've missed something.

557
00:51:17,150 --> 00:51:17,830
That's tomorrow night.

558
00:51:17,830 --> 00:51:21,870
Okay, and next month I would

559
00:51:21,870 --> 00:51:23,890
three to the applicant, Mr. Chairman.

560
00:51:24,130 --> 00:51:27,070
I don't I don't have possession of that.

561
00:51:27,350 --> 00:51:29,070
So that's enough of them.

562
00:51:29,210 --> 00:51:30,210
They'll pose that question.

563
00:51:30,530 --> 00:51:32,530
When do you plan to have those discussions?

564
00:51:35,230 --> 00:51:37,670
I would like to move to that step next.

565
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:41,330
As quickly as we can, based on the support of this commission.

566
00:51:42,130 --> 00:51:43,790
As to the approach that we've suggested,

567
00:51:43,790 --> 00:51:45,850
and I'd be more than comfortable having

568
00:51:45,850 --> 00:51:50,130
some guidelines on that approach to the point that Commissioner Glazer made, 5%

569
00:51:50,130 --> 00:51:55,350
different than 50. We certainly are willing to move forward with some expectation on

570
00:51:55,350 --> 00:51:59,110
the part of this commission to have that meeting and then report back, following the

571
00:51:59,110 --> 00:52:00,990
housing commission presentation that we have.

572
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,160
Be waiting for guidance from us, I think.

573
00:52:05,980 --> 00:52:10,180
Yeah. I would say a good rule of thumb is a closer you get to 100 the better,

574
00:52:11,060 --> 00:52:16,220
but I don't think we need to tell you that. Okay. So, but I'll, if anybody else wants to comment,

575
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,760
I'm going to let them do that.

576
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:21,980
There we go.

577
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,700
Again, at this stage of the presentation, I'll deal with some of the operational concerns

578
00:52:26,700 --> 00:52:32,100
that have been raised by both the commission and members of the public in previous hearings.

579
00:52:32,100 --> 00:52:36,280
I'd like to invite John McClish, senior vice president with a legroom senior living.

580
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:42,080
He's going to talk about staffing, parking deliveries and emergency visits to the properties.

581
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,920
Well, as I answer any other questions, the commission may have as it relates to the operational

582
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,540
details of the project.

583
00:52:53,660 --> 00:53:00,460
John McLitch, I work for Allegro Senior Living at 212, South Central Avenue, St. Louis,

584
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,720
Missouri, 63105.

585
00:53:06,050 --> 00:53:08,650
Just a little bit of background on Allegro.

586
00:53:09,830 --> 00:53:11,810
We are a part of the love companies.

587
00:53:11,850 --> 00:53:16,730
Love companies are a private family-owned business that's been in operation since the 1800s,

588
00:53:17,590 --> 00:53:18,830
based on St. Louis.

589
00:53:18,830 --> 00:53:26,870
start out in banking and financing, got into development in the mid 1900s and anticipated

590
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:32,850
the silver tsunami as you are here referred to today as the aging demographic trends in

591
00:53:32,850 --> 00:53:40,930
this country and in the late 1990s focused in on senior housing and we started out in Northern

592
00:53:40,930 --> 00:53:49,730
Florida, again based on demographics and need, and really focused in on a little bit of a

593
00:53:49,730 --> 00:53:56,930
different model. I know you have several assisted living communities in Highland Park already.

594
00:53:58,310 --> 00:54:04,590
Sunrise, Silverado, Capital Center Housing, are all very reputable high quality firms.

595
00:54:05,370 --> 00:54:10,630
What makes us a little bit different is the focus on a continuum of care model.

596
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:16,610
and including the independent living, and that's more of what we consider to be a social model.

597
00:54:16,810 --> 00:54:24,910
It's a luxury, it's not a need. What it allows the local residents is it's a housing option

598
00:54:24,910 --> 00:54:32,310
that is maintenance-free, allows residents to downside and enjoy the dining, the housekeeping,

599
00:54:32,690 --> 00:54:40,170
the amenities that we provide on site, and it also provide transportation, which is key. A lot of times

600
00:54:40,170 --> 00:54:50,690
A decision to move into one of our community's communities is based on a realization that driving is no longer a good idea.

601
00:54:51,410 --> 00:54:55,530
So we have town cars and we have bus transportation.

602
00:54:56,210 --> 00:55:02,710
The town cars will drive our residents anywhere within a 10 mile radius of our communities for no charge.

603
00:55:03,330 --> 00:55:06,710
That's for all doctors, shopping, whatever our residents need.

604
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:08,990
is just reserved ahead of time, and we're there.

605
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:12,890
And then we also provide regular scheduled transportation

606
00:55:13,690 --> 00:55:16,610
for shopping, events, and the like.

607
00:55:17,770 --> 00:55:20,770
So you'll hear us, and you'll hear the traffic engineer talk

608
00:55:20,770 --> 00:55:25,310
about our low impact on roadways, and that's a big reason

609
00:55:25,310 --> 00:55:25,890
why.

610
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:32,650
We really want to provide a completely maintenance free lifestyle

611
00:55:32,650 --> 00:55:33,550
for our residents.

612
00:55:35,450 --> 00:55:39,710
That's where you will see half of our units over half in this case are independent living.

613
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:44,730
We do provide separate living space for the independent living assisted living.

614
00:55:45,010 --> 00:55:49,750
Obviously, memory care residents are in a separate lockdown secured portion of the building.

615
00:55:51,670 --> 00:56:00,710
And this gives our residents peace of mind that as they age, they won't need to move off site to get additional services.

616
00:56:00,710 --> 00:56:04,010
So they can move in with us when they're independent living appropriate.

617
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:09,150
They don't need any assistance with their activities of daily living.

618
00:56:09,830 --> 00:56:13,130
But then as their physical needs increase,

619
00:56:14,070 --> 00:56:16,310
then they can move into our assisted living neighborhood

620
00:56:16,310 --> 00:56:18,070
and have all the care that they need.

621
00:56:18,850 --> 00:56:22,210
And then, finally, if there's any mental deterioration,

622
00:56:22,350 --> 00:56:26,630
we do have the secure memory care unit for residents that have Alzheimer's.

623
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:35,790
So that's just a difference between when LeGro would bring tile and park versus what the existing

624
00:56:35,790 --> 00:56:37,270
communities provide today.

625
00:56:38,450 --> 00:56:40,270
We did talk a little bit about staffing.

626
00:56:41,590 --> 00:56:47,050
I would estimate around 130 employees total, a lot of them are going to be part-timers.

627
00:56:47,250 --> 00:56:54,630
We have to do a lot of variable staffing to meet our current resident pools needs and any given

628
00:56:54,630 --> 00:57:00,210
point you could have a set of residents that are highly functioning and we would have less care

629
00:57:00,210 --> 00:57:05,590
staff and other times. If they're aging in place we could need more care staff to handle

630
00:57:05,590 --> 00:57:11,710
all of our residents' needs. But I would say that at that slide that we saw earlier that was

631
00:57:11,710 --> 00:57:21,090
just talking about the care staff. We do have frontline administrators. We have housekeepers,

632
00:57:21,090 --> 00:57:27,450
maintenance people, but our peak our shift is going to be week day, day time shift. That's

633
00:57:27,450 --> 00:57:35,830
7 a.m. to 3 p.m. and we might have around 40 employees on shift at that time of day.

634
00:57:36,330 --> 00:57:41,270
As mentioned, we do shift to start our shifts at non-peak traffic hours.

635
00:57:41,890 --> 00:57:46,770
So one shift goes from 7 a.m. to 3 p.m., one goes from 3 p.m. to 11 p.m.

636
00:57:51,070 --> 00:57:51,070
and then

637
00:57:51,070 --> 00:57:53,130
And that is more of a skeleton fruit.

638
00:57:53,290 --> 00:57:58,250
We will still have a nurse on site 24-7, in case there are any emergencies.

639
00:57:59,130 --> 00:58:01,810
But through the night you might see 10 to 15 employees.

640
00:58:05,940 --> 00:58:09,180
Parking, I noticed, has come up, you know, in our experience,

641
00:58:10,300 --> 00:58:14,700
we have always been thrilled with a one-to-one parking ratio.

642
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:21,200
That slide shows that very few of our residents continue to drive once they move on sight

643
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,780
and see the transportation options that we provide.

644
00:58:24,740 --> 00:58:35,080
Your car for a lot of people can still be a symbol of independence, so a lot of residents want to still keep their car on site and they'll just sit in the parking lot for the most part.

645
00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:47,640
Beyond that, even if you factor in staff and guests, we should have plenty of parking with the 190 spaces that are proposed.

646
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:55,880
And, you know, peak visit times are on weekends and holidays in particular, in those cases

647
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,700
where we think there could be some need for overflow parking.

648
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:04,920
We've always partnered with a local church, a school, or a country club, somewhere that

649
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,740
doesn't have that traffic volume on those holidays.

650
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:14,440
And then we will use our bus to shuttle visitors and residents to and from those parking

651
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,060
lots to our community.

652
00:59:16,060 --> 00:59:23,800
so there should be no need for street parking or anything, we will not be parking on the

653
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:29,340
side streets around this community. We have more than sufficient parking on this current

654
00:59:29,340 --> 00:59:37,560
site plan. I know we've also talked about deliveries. I don't have much to add beyond what is

655
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:43,500
shown up there. We do have regular deliveries mostly for food but also for maintenance for

656
00:59:43,500 --> 00:59:49,840
linens but you know you're talking about no more than one delivery per day and we always work with

657
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:58,480
the local vendors to make sure that we're not adding to peak our traffic times. What about sleeping

658
01:00:01,420 --> 01:00:25,100
Well, you have to keep in mind that, you know, we have, you know, we'll have a lot of residents that are also very demanding, you know, none of our, our communities, our, you know, our communities like ours are going to be cheap. So we, we have, you know, very sensitive residents as well. So we do not have deliveries come at all hours of the day.

659
01:00:25,100 --> 01:00:30,700
You know, traps is picked up, you know, pretty much in the same time as the rest of the community.

660
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,940
But we really try to avoid any disruptions, especially through nighttime hours.

661
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:40,060
So we will work with our vendors to try to schedule, you know, probably mid-morning deliveries.

662
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:49,220
And it's my assumption that when the trucks pull in, they go, drive all the way down the west side,

663
01:00:49,220 --> 01:00:55,100
and loop around to the east side and then back into the loading dock and then out.

664
01:00:55,580 --> 01:00:58,160
Yes, is that the traffic movement?

665
01:00:58,540 --> 01:00:59,240
That's right.

666
01:01:00,260 --> 01:01:06,380
And the receiving area is on the eastern side of the building away from the residents.

667
01:01:06,740 --> 01:01:12,820
So our building should act as a screen to those deliveries coming in and any idling trucks.

668
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,080
They should also provide a buffer for the noise.

669
01:01:15,340 --> 01:01:16,420
As well as the refuse.

670
01:01:18,060 --> 01:01:23,460
And then if a ambulance were to come to your facility, how would that happen?

671
01:01:24,260 --> 01:01:28,460
Well, we also, you know, I saw the data and I can't argue with that.

672
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:34,500
I would just point out that we draw a lot of our residents from a close proximity to our communities.

673
01:01:34,860 --> 01:01:38,700
I guess I'm interested in when the ambulance pulls up, how does that happen?

674
01:01:39,220 --> 01:01:43,980
Right, and if it's a real life or death emergency, we need to get them in the main entrance,

675
01:01:43,980 --> 01:01:49,860
the closest point to Lake Avenue, so they would be pulled up under the port to share.

676
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:55,920
But we also, again, that's a similar situation where an ambulance could be very disruptive

677
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:56,860
to our residents.

678
01:01:57,980 --> 01:02:04,880
So we will always work with the local EMS to try to ask them to cut sirens to cut lights

679
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,520
for they get close to our property.

680
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,680
And typically, they'll do that as long as there's not traffic, and they don't need to actually

681
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,260
your cars out of their way to get to our property.

682
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:19,600
And if we can work with them, if it isn't a real emergency, then we would also like to

683
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:26,740
direct them to that same back of house area to again disrupt resident lifestyle as little

684
01:02:26,740 --> 01:02:27,400
as possible.

685
01:02:33,250 --> 01:02:37,450
So, but you know, along those lines, I mean, I do think that we would be, you know, impacting

686
01:02:37,450 --> 01:02:45,610
EMS but we've worked closely with all of the ambulance and fire departments around our

687
01:02:45,610 --> 01:02:51,870
communities and we've heard some interesting stories because we draw our residents from

688
01:02:51,870 --> 01:02:56,930
such a close proximity to our site. It's not necessarily that all those calls that you see

689
01:02:56,930 --> 01:03:05,690
coming from our communities are added to the infrastructures adding to the burden because a lot

690
01:03:05,690 --> 01:03:12,630
Sometimes if you have a resident living in a single family home in their 80s or 90s, if there's

691
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:19,070
any accidents, slip, whatever, even in some cases, it's loneliness.

692
01:03:19,410 --> 01:03:23,410
One of the fire departments that we work with in Florida is that they get the most calls

693
01:03:23,410 --> 01:03:24,590
of the year on Mother's Day.

694
01:03:24,810 --> 01:03:29,410
And a lot of times, it's a non-emergency call that somebody just needs somebody to talk

695
01:03:29,410 --> 01:03:30,010
to.

696
01:03:30,490 --> 01:03:34,670
We have a professional staff nursing around the clock.

697
01:03:34,670 --> 01:03:38,850
So some of these more minor incidents that are resident that's in a single-family home

698
01:03:38,850 --> 01:03:40,270
would have to call 911.

699
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:46,150
We actually have trained staff members on site to help them and it's only the real emergency

700
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:51,330
calls that actually get made and are generating calls to our communities.

701
01:03:53,870 --> 01:03:58,590
So that's really a brief overview.

702
01:03:58,590 --> 01:04:05,070
I've, you know, quite more information if you want it, but I think that covers the main concerns

703
01:04:05,070 --> 01:04:07,170
that I was alerted to.

704
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:10,150
So if you have any other questions, I'd be happy to answer that.

705
01:04:10,610 --> 01:04:17,930
I just looking at your utilization figures for really for independent living.

706
01:04:19,070 --> 01:04:21,650
How did you determine a 30% utilization rate?

707
01:04:22,030 --> 01:04:27,410
It was polling all of our existing communities that have independent living and to really

708
01:04:27,410 --> 01:04:34,830
look at some of our residents, all of our residents that have a car on site register that car

709
01:04:34,830 --> 01:04:40,950
with us. So we know who's cars in our parking lot. So that was more an informal pull of

710
01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:46,990
all of our communities. We have 18 operating communities right now and I'd say maybe 12 or 13

711
01:04:46,990 --> 01:04:56,730
of them have independent living. Okay, and you didn't, there isn't some sort of national standard

712
01:04:56,730 --> 01:04:59,490
for that. It's right in line with the nation.

713
01:04:59,530 --> 01:05:05,450
This is eight, it's 12, that's not that many. Right. And I don't know how nationally

714
01:05:06,170 --> 01:05:13,490
independent living facilities, and even more so those that have assisted living in, memory

715
01:05:13,490 --> 01:05:21,090
care, and the same site, but they have a determined those utilization rates. I have no idea

716
01:05:21,090 --> 01:05:23,710
personally, it just seems off of load of me.

717
01:05:23,710 --> 01:05:28,730
That, I mean, it's a little bit more dependent living or only 30% of them are going to have cars.

718
01:05:29,050 --> 01:05:29,770
And it could be correct.

719
01:05:29,950 --> 01:05:34,890
I just was wondering how you came up, how that was calculated and the methodology behind it.

720
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:44,270
We can provide some numbers on that and actually provide a chart with showing each community and how many of the IL residents have a car.

721
01:05:45,230 --> 01:05:52,990
I could tell you, one of our projects had a point eight to one parking space to UNIT ratio and it wasn't enough.

722
01:05:52,990 --> 01:06:00,370
We actually had to lease the parking lot across the street to get those extra 30 or 40 spaces to get that one to one ratio.

723
01:06:01,550 --> 01:06:11,750
So we have enough of a track record to be very comfortable with the amount of parking on this site plan being sufficient for our needs.

724
01:06:12,070 --> 01:06:17,750
What according to that? It means the 50% on memory care am I reading this correctly?

725
01:06:23,550 --> 01:06:25,970
No, no, nobody in memory care is driving.

726
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:26,750
No, no.

727
01:06:27,010 --> 01:06:27,950
Not exactly in a bad driving.

728
01:06:28,670 --> 01:06:29,430
We're not there.

729
01:06:29,830 --> 01:06:36,030
I'm just saying that 50% of your residents are either in independent living or assisted living,

730
01:06:36,250 --> 01:06:37,330
hurting to 13 to 20.

731
01:06:37,330 --> 01:06:38,370
Am I broke of 50?

732
01:06:38,810 --> 01:06:39,330
No.

733
01:06:39,890 --> 01:06:40,310
No, no, no.

734
01:06:40,570 --> 01:06:40,690
No, no, no.

735
01:06:40,810 --> 01:06:46,150
It's just saying that 30% of the independent living and 20% of this, the living,

736
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:50,130
have a car. Yeah, I'm saying, okay, that's what I wanted.

737
01:06:53,450 --> 01:06:56,350
What's the age of independent living?

738
01:06:57,330 --> 01:07:02,810
Our average resident is 84 years old when they move in with us. That's a video.

739
01:07:05,250 --> 01:07:13,890
Isn't it really just more assisted living in? Well, it still, it comes down to the physical well-being.

740
01:07:13,890 --> 01:07:19,550
I mean, every resident when they move in with us has to get assessed to make sure we understand

741
01:07:19,550 --> 01:07:26,690
their physical needs, so you really do have to come in needing no assistance in your day-to-day

742
01:07:26,690 --> 01:07:28,850
life to be able to qualify for independent living.

743
01:07:32,700 --> 01:07:36,900
Okay, I mean, I appreciate the clarification I was, I thought, have been dependent living

744
01:07:36,900 --> 01:07:37,700
as being independent.

745
01:07:38,300 --> 01:07:40,080
I've been your camera around doing your own shopping.

746
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:40,920
But that doesn't work.

747
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:41,940
my contribution.

748
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:48,900
Our independent looking risen age has gone up about five years over the last 10 years.

749
01:07:49,220 --> 01:07:53,640
So it's gone from average to age of 80 when I moved into with us to 85.

750
01:07:53,780 --> 01:07:58,560
And I think it's really a sign of people taking better care of themselves and medicinal

751
01:07:58,560 --> 01:07:59,260
improvements.

752
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:01,260
Thanks.

753
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:03,340
Thank you.

754
01:08:04,500 --> 01:08:10,660
And if I also just go to, I saw in the pack, if you were discussing the number of

755
01:08:10,660 --> 01:08:15,500
employees, yep, you have sort of shift changes, I think the highest number you have is eight.

756
01:08:16,020 --> 01:08:23,800
Right, and that was just care staff. Right. So we have, you know, many of the employees that are there through the day,

757
01:08:23,980 --> 01:08:31,300
didn't know that as much it really is just, you know, receptionist, maintenance people are on site, the care staff is on site.

758
01:08:31,300 --> 01:08:35,500
The tournament day, you have a lot more activity, housekeepers, winners,

759
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:42,640
chef, kitchen staff, marketers, executive director, so

760
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:47,760
I said, thank you. Your peak shift is going to be right around 40 employees

761
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:52,480
with that community this size. Okay, and how many of those would change?

762
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:58,940
I guess the peak shift change would be 3 p.m., and so that would be 40 people

763
01:08:58,940 --> 01:09:07,720
coming in 40 people though, is that doesn't, you've got staff max and shift change of 50.

764
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:12,140
I'm gonna seem, at least for a short period of time, it's really 80.

765
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:17,380
40 that haven't left yet, and 40 that are getting there, and they're gonna do this, but

766
01:09:17,380 --> 01:09:22,900
there is for some short period of time, it's not 50's 80.

767
01:09:23,660 --> 01:09:26,200
Right, you have 40 leaving, 40 entering the size.

768
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:31,720
eight sounded awfully low right yeah every carry in it but 40 makes a little bit more

769
01:09:32,860 --> 01:09:35,620
stand right

770
01:09:35,620 --> 01:09:36,020
can

771
01:09:41,820 --> 01:09:48,740
I just two quick questions one is more of a statement the in terms of the hours the

772
01:09:48,740 --> 01:09:54,900
care staff hours it may be worth checking with the hospital because I think that may

773
01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:59,180
line up I'm looking at a net because I think we talked about this with the high school

774
01:09:59,180 --> 01:10:04,780
traffic and parking situation, but those look to me like the hours of the hospital shift

775
01:10:04,780 --> 01:10:05,300
changes.

776
01:10:05,780 --> 01:10:05,800
Exactly.

777
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:06,940
Okay.

778
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,760
And that is just down the road.

779
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:16,140
I don't know how many of those people travel across the highway, but it may be worth

780
01:10:16,140 --> 01:10:18,320
staggering those hours a little bit from the hospital.

781
01:10:18,740 --> 01:10:22,660
And the hospital my recollection was unbending.

782
01:10:23,020 --> 01:10:26,200
There was no possibility of changing their shift hours.

783
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:34,360
So, that's one thing to consider, and my question is, in terms of people having care

784
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:39,880
private caregivers, does that happen, and how is that accommodated in terms of your parking?

785
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:47,400
It's described, we really believe in the care that we provide, but in some cases there

786
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:52,880
might be a couple that want to stay independent living, and one of the spouses will need

787
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:58,320
care so we will allow personal care staff to come in in those cases.

788
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:03,940
Again, you know, that would be included in the guest estimate.

789
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:11,060
Because we do have a few other, you know, every so often, you know, we'll have a visiting doctor

790
01:11:11,060 --> 01:11:18,160
come in and we'll have a therapist come in and we do have a few other vendors that are on

791
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:24,680
like the hair salon out there on staff. So that is included in the staff number, but the

792
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:29,160
personal care would be incorporated by the gas dumper.

793
01:11:32,860 --> 01:11:33,700
Any other questions?

794
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:37,480
Thank you.

795
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,240
Thank you.

796
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:46,320
I would ask and I would kind of had a target of on this matter of an hour.

797
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:46,740
Yep.

798
01:11:47,180 --> 01:11:50,680
We're getting close to that and we didn't start right at 7.30.

799
01:11:51,540 --> 01:11:59,420
just and I know the public would like to do that and I appreciate that was a really helpful

800
01:11:59,420 --> 01:12:04,160
discussion because there has been a lot of concern and question related about our relations.

801
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:10,280
I'm just going to say a couple of additional pieces of feedback we've received through the

802
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:14,920
course of this process and how we've worked to address them. The first we've talked about

803
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:21,920
I'm trying to share in the box that I'm trying to pick pad, which are these illustrations in the past.

804
01:12:22,220 --> 01:12:28,280
This used by comparison to other rubber, permitted uses, all of the light and industrial zone on the street.

805
01:12:28,540 --> 01:12:38,240
More about fewer varied trips, as well as fewer pit trips or proposed development being on the far left in both cases.

806
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:42,600
for total damage at the MP strip.

807
01:12:42,780 --> 01:12:45,520
Peep period trips, excuse me.

808
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,480
I don't think it's important to take care of cohorts,

809
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,600
but consideration is just what those alternatives

810
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,880
uses could look like in a proposal that could

811
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:55,140
come forth to this question.

812
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:57,440
I'm going to start off first.

813
01:12:57,960 --> 01:12:59,880
I don't know if you've been through this last second

814
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:02,380
and in front of our distribution

815
01:13:02,380 --> 01:13:05,460
of our hospitality that could come forth.

816
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:10,340
But that's what I'm concerned for, I don't know if we're going to start learning this

817
01:13:10,340 --> 01:13:10,760
next time.

818
01:13:11,180 --> 01:13:15,820
I'm going to add a sign to the file from the rest of your protocol that they've in the

819
01:13:15,820 --> 01:13:16,300
last turn.

820
01:13:16,580 --> 01:13:22,820
The retention line in this sense material is a tale of the help of the head rights from the

821
01:13:22,820 --> 01:13:27,600
rest of your property line from ever following a well-earned, ill-tuned, legalized

822
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,620
properties and running out to as an offset to that.

823
01:13:30,620 --> 01:13:34,020
That's what's kind of the plan for all that that looks like.

824
01:13:34,020 --> 01:13:39,740
around that sort of transmissions and reflect the bus route of 50-20 seconds since the last

825
01:13:39,740 --> 01:13:40,480
turn.

826
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:44,140
The route going in turns are reflected as well from the last hearing.

827
01:13:45,020 --> 01:13:50,380
And what we did is we run across the part of it, the part of it, found as well as this natural

828
01:13:50,380 --> 01:13:50,840
buffer.

829
01:13:51,580 --> 01:13:54,820
So, all the dirt going in turns are better preserved, so there's a lot of material to

830
01:13:54,820 --> 01:13:54,940
do.

831
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:59,600
We're out on additional work green turns in addition to that fact that I just showed in

832
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:07,600
I'll show you the hotel now and as well the way design preserve all the stuff of that way in your

833
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:14,860
providing any spill-off how many trees are you are we losing I have to defer to our

834
01:14:14,860 --> 01:14:20,700
subordinates not question would be happy to do that in the hundreds sure do you have a sense

835
01:14:20,700 --> 01:14:25,800
for that in the place in the hundreds correct

836
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:34,080
excellent excuse to step up to the

837
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:34,500
input.

838
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:44,550
You know, it can you just see the appointment address for the

839
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:46,970
I don't know what I'm going to do. Grow up with Kim Lee Horne and my

840
01:14:46,970 --> 01:14:53,070
landscape architect on the project is one thousand one Warrenville

841
01:14:53,070 --> 01:14:54,810
Road by all.

842
01:14:57,450 --> 01:14:58,410
Grow, GROVEE.

843
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:20,570
So, in a practical tunnel, where I take note of both of the two trails that we're taking down for good forestry practices. These are ones that are, we had a, we worked with a certified obrist on this project and work closely with the village forest of the city forester.

844
01:15:20,930 --> 01:15:25,970
And so there's a number of trees that we're taking down that are in poor condition or poor quality trees.

845
01:15:25,970 --> 01:15:31,570
We're trying to preserve as many as possible of the trees that are creating a buffer and

846
01:15:32,510 --> 01:15:34,450
creating character on the site where we can.

847
01:15:35,330 --> 01:15:39,490
So there are a lot of energy over those trees that are out here and now additional trees that we're

848
01:15:39,490 --> 01:15:42,450
removing that are protected. So those are ones that we are being

849
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:46,930
we will have to provide replacement quantity for.

850
01:15:48,610 --> 01:15:49,770
Does that answer the question?

851
01:15:49,770 --> 01:15:51,690
And then I'll go back in.

852
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:54,210
We are adding in

853
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,560
the 936 replacement trees in total.

854
01:16:07,250 --> 01:16:11,140
The rest of the replacement value will be three in love.

855
01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:24,580
And in addition to that, we have about 40 additional trees in addition to those 136.

856
01:16:24,580 --> 01:16:26,380
So about 176 trees total.

857
01:16:26,380 --> 01:16:29,100
So the 109 part of 136?

858
01:16:30,220 --> 01:16:30,580
The 100.

859
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:31,380
Yeah.

860
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:33,880
You said you had to ever play.

861
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:35,780
He said there's 106.

862
01:16:36,980 --> 01:16:37,660
You put it in.

863
01:16:38,380 --> 01:16:40,000
And he said there were 109.

864
01:16:40,860 --> 01:16:43,520
That he could just take me out from 107 to leave.

865
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:44,620
He had to put in.

866
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,900
Of 109 parts of the new version.

867
01:16:48,620 --> 01:16:51,100
We're going to have to protect the tries you have to put.

868
01:16:51,480 --> 01:16:52,600
From the side to the side.

869
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:54,180
To the front.

870
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:55,360
I'm sorry if I'm...

871
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:55,720
Great.

872
01:16:56,460 --> 01:16:58,380
So that is the 16th.

873
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:00,240
That's fine.

874
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:01,120
Thank you.

875
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:03,940
So, what do you mean?

876
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:04,520
No, I mean.

877
01:17:08,740 --> 01:17:10,560
There's a lot of trees that you know.

878
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:11,780
A lot of trees are there.

879
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:18,080
And a lot of trees have shrines and lands and falls of sepany leaves.

880
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,780
So, the 16th is 109, or 305, or anything.

881
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:23,180
Six?

882
01:17:23,580 --> 01:17:24,440
Well, I think so.

883
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,440
This is a total

884
01:17:40,730 --> 01:17:47,810
number of trees on the site that are going to be coming down.

885
01:17:48,150 --> 01:17:52,490
And then tell us how many of those are trees which were placement in the view.

886
01:17:57,060 --> 01:17:57,620
Yes.

887
01:18:15,180 --> 01:18:15,440
Yes.

888
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:33,800
This is total.

889
01:18:34,740 --> 01:18:35,120
182.

890
01:18:35,740 --> 01:18:39,680
So hundred and seventy two we're going out and a hundred and eighty two are coming.

891
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:40,480
Okay.

892
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:15,990
one slide please. Sure. I think that's, no, forward. That slide to me is very

893
01:19:16,690 --> 01:19:18,870
deceptive. Is your looking at different seasons?

894
01:19:24,530 --> 01:19:31,430
We will certainly be happy to try and locate a future we haven't had the ability to

895
01:19:31,430 --> 01:19:38,490
find a take a picture in a season other than the one we're in, but we're certainly

896
01:19:38,490 --> 01:19:43,770
same season and could have had two slides in the packet that show different seasons.

897
01:19:44,850 --> 01:19:45,910
I could see the same season.

898
01:19:46,290 --> 01:19:50,070
But that was actually the one image that was hard for us to perceive.

899
01:19:50,290 --> 01:19:54,350
If you see this one, the top we were able to get an existing picture that reflected

900
01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:57,130
more maturity in the foliage.

901
01:19:57,550 --> 01:19:59,150
So I think those are pretty representative.

902
01:19:59,330 --> 01:20:01,570
The first one I acknowledge maybe not.

903
01:20:01,970 --> 01:20:02,770
And this one as well.

904
01:20:02,990 --> 01:20:06,130
So two of the three we were able to get proper foliage maturity.

905
01:20:06,130 --> 01:20:11,890
the first one we weren't and I'd be happy to remove that or find another one that helps better portray

906
01:20:11,890 --> 01:20:16,350
that for you. If that's if that's something we could do following this meeting or with staff,

907
01:20:16,530 --> 01:20:22,770
we'd certainly do willing to do that. And what is the eye height? It's the eye height six foot

908
01:20:22,770 --> 01:20:29,950
for both of those representations or we would say, approximately, yes, it would be a pedestrian height

909
01:20:29,950 --> 01:20:33,390
So, between five and a half and six feet.

910
01:20:37,850 --> 01:20:44,770
Now, to the concerns we've heard along the way, we certainly recognize stormwater, operational

911
01:20:44,770 --> 01:20:49,930
traffic, inconveniences associated with operation site lighting and density.

912
01:20:50,610 --> 01:20:56,230
We feel we've enhanced our plan to address these concerns while also acknowledging that most

913
01:20:56,230 --> 01:21:02,370
of the most closely affected neighbors are likely not still in sport of this plan, but we

914
01:21:02,370 --> 01:21:08,750
that the commission sees the effort we've undertaken to soften these issues and the

915
01:21:08,750 --> 01:21:13,570
and also the alignment of this proposed plan with respect to the city's master plan for

916
01:21:13,570 --> 01:21:18,970
the Skokie Highway Court or District. As you've heard, I'm joined by our architect, our

917
01:21:18,970 --> 01:21:24,110
operations team, civil and traffic engineers. As questions arise, we'd be happy to help and I

918
01:21:24,110 --> 01:21:25,030
thank you for your time.

919
01:21:28,740 --> 01:21:29,460
Thank you.

920
01:21:32,510 --> 01:21:34,150
And there are no other questions for the applicant.

921
01:21:37,050 --> 01:21:44,710
Okay, we do have some time to, and just for the public to be aware, it does certainly seem

922
01:21:44,710 --> 01:21:49,930
like the applicants going to be making further revisions, at least that's the way it looks

923
01:21:49,930 --> 01:21:50,670
to me.

924
01:21:53,030 --> 01:22:00,310
And so just to kind of keep that in mind, while we have, you know, comments from the public

925
01:22:00,310 --> 01:22:06,650
who, you know, on the neighbors, some of the issues that, at least I've heard certainly in

926
01:22:06,650 --> 01:22:11,770
the previous meeting, you know, there, things may be changing, so just to kind of keep

927
01:22:11,770 --> 01:22:18,950
that in mind. But on that note, who wishes to speak on this if we could stand, please?

928
01:22:29,060 --> 01:22:32,920
Okay, so I know some of you, I think we're here at the last meeting and we're already sworn

929
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:38,980
in. Who was here at the last meeting? And it was sworn. Is there anybody that it wasn't?

930
01:22:39,180 --> 01:22:44,860
It's probably, is it okay? If I could have, I think that the four of you come over to the

931
01:22:44,860 --> 01:22:51,860
podium and then be sworn in, we'll have you just say your name and address and we'll swear you

932
01:22:51,860 --> 01:22:53,140
in and then we can.

933
01:22:59,610 --> 01:23:05,170
Do you want to have the people who are going to speak line up? I will, but I want to

934
01:23:05,170 --> 01:23:07,630
get this one in first.

935
01:23:09,530 --> 01:23:09,970
Okay.

936
01:23:13,850 --> 01:23:14,290
First.

937
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:16,590
Thank you for letting me speak.

938
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:17,110
Yeah.

939
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:18,970
You have a chance.

940
01:23:19,370 --> 01:23:21,130
I need to do the four of you.

941
01:23:21,170 --> 01:23:22,250
I think it was four of you.

942
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:24,850
That we're not here and have not been sworn in.

943
01:23:25,090 --> 01:23:26,330
I do need to swear you in.

944
01:23:26,630 --> 01:23:30,930
And then one of what I'll do is we'll have everybody who's going to speak even if you're

945
01:23:30,930 --> 01:23:34,110
here last time and line up and then we'll just take one at a time.

946
01:23:34,110 --> 01:23:38,490
So if we're going to have the the four that have not been sworn in, please step up to the microphone.

947
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,260
Okay, that's, is that the four of you?

948
01:23:43,580 --> 01:23:47,400
Can you just, all of you, just one, each of you, state your name and address for the record?

949
01:23:51,010 --> 01:23:52,910
No, but I, while I swear, man, I wanted to help.

950
01:23:54,990 --> 01:23:55,990
I'm Jesus, I'll swear.

951
01:23:56,130 --> 01:23:58,170
I mean, 265, we're being guided.

952
01:23:59,530 --> 01:24:02,870
My name is Steve Franks, 1963, Macquarer and Road.

953
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:03,730
Hi, I'm Bert.

954
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:07,470
Elizabeth, Estle, 1861, come down.

955
01:24:08,490 --> 01:24:10,930
Steve Lace, in 1626, Little John.

956
01:24:12,770 --> 01:24:13,530
Steve, 1881.

957
01:24:14,130 --> 01:24:14,850
That's me.

958
01:24:15,490 --> 01:24:18,330
You have a little woman, 177, Karen?

959
01:24:19,770 --> 01:24:22,290
You're very, very monster, 1901, York.

960
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:24,870
I think, Jerry, were you here last time?

961
01:24:25,230 --> 01:24:25,730
We've sold.

962
01:24:25,850 --> 01:24:26,730
OK, so are you?

963
01:24:26,770 --> 01:24:27,990
Well, I need to swear you're going to get me.

964
01:24:30,670 --> 01:24:35,510
Okay, just need the people who weren't here, so could you raise your right hand please?

965
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:39,070
You swear the testimony you will give here tonight will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing

966
01:24:39,070 --> 01:24:39,730
that's truth.

967
01:24:40,310 --> 01:24:40,870
Thank you.

968
01:24:41,190 --> 01:24:45,650
Okay, so then now I have everybody who wants to speak, come line up and then we'll take you

969
01:24:45,650 --> 01:24:49,970
one at a time and I'll have you, give you your name and address again for everybody.

970
01:24:50,230 --> 01:24:50,890
Each time.

971
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:57,780
So again, thank you very much for allowing me to speak.

972
01:24:57,780 --> 01:25:04,280
I came here with no intention of speaking, my wife usually would do this, but I'm here

973
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:05,080
in place over.

974
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:11,840
I'm going to rate this because as I sat here, this is what I learned about the company that

975
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,480
is giving its presentation.

976
01:25:14,900 --> 01:25:19,720
Let's come back a little bit now, here's a very poor reading, in terms of further importance,

977
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:27,220
via that organization, they have about 2.8 stars on both in Dead.com and Blaster.com.

978
01:25:27,220 --> 01:25:32,840
There have come up with rights of long-for-deaths, and there are some laws in our

979
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:36,140
province of Westidence, far and faring in their feces.

980
01:25:37,380 --> 01:25:42,640
This company has reportedly a well-washed, well-washed staff, and for now, if that's due

981
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:45,340
to the poor wages, they pay their staff.

982
01:25:46,020 --> 01:25:50,740
This compromise, seek out substantial amount for our supply, where we have a lot of facility

983
01:25:50,740 --> 01:25:56,080
that we'll have on a half-month rise in a potential loss to try to stop its residents.

984
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:03,520
I certainly appreciate the information that's not something that we can consider.

985
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:07,240
We have certain standards we have to follow, and again I appreciate the information.

986
01:26:07,460 --> 01:26:08,780
I've never been to the other standards.

987
01:26:09,580 --> 01:26:10,300
I apologize.

988
01:26:10,900 --> 01:26:12,080
Yeah, and that's what we're about.

989
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:14,660
If God forbid something like that would happen,

990
01:26:15,060 --> 01:26:20,240
assuming this is approved, that's really more for a city and probably police.

991
01:26:21,020 --> 01:26:24,740
But that's not, unfortunately, that's not something that we can really take into consideration.

992
01:26:24,740 --> 01:26:30,300
Well, what you can't talk into consideration is the relief that they're asking and in light of this

993
01:26:30,300 --> 01:26:36,260
organizations reputation. I believe that our city can and does deserve better.

994
01:26:38,060 --> 01:26:39,300
Thank you.

995
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:47,600
Okay, so my name is Jean Solstroy. I've been in the community now for 34 years.

996
01:26:48,820 --> 01:26:53,760
My kids went to the school in the area of where the development is. They went to Wayne

997
01:26:53,760 --> 01:27:03,600
Thomas Northwood, junior high and I thought back to the late 1980s when we had a three

998
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:07,840
separate school districts in Highland Park and there was a big discussion, a big problem

999
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:08,800
at that time.

1000
01:27:09,060 --> 01:27:17,140
Property values were suffering as a result of the conflicting school districts.

1001
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:21,040
There was a consolidation movement.

1002
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:26,520
Most of the people who had children in the school system voted against the consolidation movement

1003
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,140
The others of the community at that time

1004
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:40,740
Encouraged the community to go for the the consolidation because it would improve the schools and it would improve property values throughout Island park

1005
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:41,880
Now

1006
01:27:42,540 --> 01:27:44,600
Let's go and out over the last few years

1007
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:50,160
I don't know if any of you have looked at your property values, but they've gone down part of the reason that they've gone down is

1008
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:53,960
because there's a lot of controversy about our school districts.

1009
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:57,080
Our school districts have, they can't make,

1010
01:27:57,100 --> 01:27:58,640
I don't have any hard time keeping teachers.

1011
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:02,540
They're having a hard time keeping administrative staff.

1012
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:05,640
And as a result of this, people are moving to deer,

1013
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:08,420
they're moving to Northbrook and they're moving

1014
01:28:08,420 --> 01:28:11,720
with, and these are people who grew up in Island Park

1015
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:13,820
who are not regenerating the community.

1016
01:28:15,660 --> 01:28:17,840
And when I look at this project,

1017
01:28:19,340 --> 01:28:22,840
My kids are all in the school district. It's not going to affect my kids.

1018
01:28:23,260 --> 01:28:27,680
They're all grown up and working on their own and had a really great experience in

1019
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:34,920
Helen Park schools. But when I look at this project and I see the input of $400,000 a year

1020
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:42,640
of money into the school system, I say, how can you turn this down? This is a key to improving

1021
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:48,920
school district making our education better and improving property values throughout the community.

1022
01:28:50,100 --> 01:28:55,020
And so I'm not going to be people who are here a lot of people here don't

1023
01:28:55,020 --> 01:28:57,440
aren't pleased what I have to say.

1024
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:00,640
There's no one.

1025
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,000
Not a chance.

1026
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:03,300
We don't want to.

1027
01:29:03,300 --> 01:29:06,340
We don't want to.

1028
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:08,360
Folks.

1029
01:29:10,220 --> 01:29:10,540
Folks.

1030
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:18,580
I need all one person at a time.

1031
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:18,880
Please.

1032
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:19,940
Everything needs to be addressed.

1033
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:21,600
So my chair.

1034
01:29:21,860 --> 01:29:25,960
We can't have back and forth between the audience and the person speaking.

1035
01:29:26,300 --> 01:29:27,520
And now I'm here to debate this.

1036
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:33,360
just here to tell the facts that your property values will up and it'll be a benefit for your children

1037
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:38,200
and in many cases your grandchildren when they come back to Island Park. Thank you.

1038
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:48,620
I'm Betsy Kessler. I live at 1861 Kadelle. I've lived in Island Park in the same house for over 42 years.

1039
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:54,880
I'm a neurologist. I have a lot of professional and unfortunately personal experience with

1040
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:56,380
long-term care facilities.

1041
01:29:57,220 --> 01:29:59,980
Many people in long-term care facilities have their...

1042
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:16,140
On caregivers, it is disingenuous to say that there will be a few people there as guests. Many people have daily caregivers, more than one shift of caregivers, even though they're living in a facility that claims to be able to provide care.

1043
01:30:16,140 --> 01:30:22,060
So to not add all of those people to the calculations is simply not accurate.

1044
01:30:22,700 --> 01:30:29,780
Comparing this enormous project to Silverado is also not accurate.

1045
01:30:30,300 --> 01:30:33,000
This Silverado is only memory care.

1046
01:30:33,260 --> 01:30:34,940
It is not assisted living.

1047
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:41,320
The majority of the patients there are not going to be transferred to a hospital.

1048
01:30:41,700 --> 01:30:44,520
ambulances don't go to Silverado very often.

1049
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:53,960
So to say that, that is an indication of what would happen in this large community of elderly people is also not accurate.

1050
01:30:55,140 --> 01:30:59,680
The intersection at Park and 41 is already a mess.

1051
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:04,880
It's very difficult to get through there with people pulling in and out of going through this.

1052
01:31:07,620 --> 01:31:16,140
And all of the caregivers, all of the employees who are going to be going back and forth there is going to make it very difficult for those of us.

1053
01:31:16,140 --> 01:31:24,360
who live in this community to get to work and I think the fact we could put lots of things in that

1054
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:31,040
in that property that would make tax money that doesn't mean that the residents and the

1055
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:37,220
quality of life of the residents shouldn't be taken into account. This is totally out of character with

1056
01:31:37,220 --> 01:31:37,860
neighborhood.

1057
01:31:44,170 --> 01:31:50,850
We need to keep trying to avoid the applause and other people's supports, certain viewpoints,

1058
01:31:51,310 --> 01:31:55,130
but we need to keep the meeting moving, and every member of this community has a right

1059
01:31:55,130 --> 01:31:59,370
to speak on us whether you live nearby or not, and whether you like what they say or not.

1060
01:31:59,750 --> 01:32:07,150
So if we can show the speakers respect to just let them say what they have to say and to keep the

1061
01:32:07,150 --> 01:32:07,570
meeting moving.

1062
01:32:07,590 --> 01:32:08,550
Thank you.

1063
01:32:08,550 --> 01:32:12,150
Thank you. My name is Stephen Lace, and I live at 1626,

1064
01:32:12,150 --> 01:32:14,910
Ligeon. I live there for about 25 years.

1065
01:32:15,330 --> 01:32:19,090
I'm a general internist. I work at Lake Forrest and Highland Park Hospital.

1066
01:32:20,250 --> 01:32:23,990
I also have privileges at a place called Lake Forrest,

1067
01:32:24,170 --> 01:32:25,730
a place called Belmoral and Lake Forrest,

1068
01:32:25,890 --> 01:32:29,250
it's a similar community to what's being proposed here,

1069
01:32:29,550 --> 01:32:32,070
and it's a continuum of care, a community.

1070
01:32:32,590 --> 01:32:36,290
And in those communities, when I was there, even this morning,

1071
01:32:36,290 --> 01:32:40,250
you have to sign in. And when you sign in, I've the last couple of times I've been there,

1072
01:32:40,610 --> 01:32:46,830
I've looked at the sign in book that one sign in page for physicians, caregivers, providers,

1073
01:32:47,370 --> 01:32:52,770
people are coming in to see the residents and then for other people who are there just to

1074
01:32:52,770 --> 01:32:58,770
make deliveries. And I looked at the last couple of times I was there. There was about anywhere between

1075
01:32:58,770 --> 01:33:06,150
30 and 50 caregivers physicians on each of the days. I was there as well as 30 to 50

1076
01:33:06,750 --> 01:33:12,430
other people providing services. There could be as many as 100 people coming in each day

1077
01:33:12,430 --> 01:33:17,770
for those people who are living there. So I think the numbers that we're getting are not

1078
01:33:17,770 --> 01:33:21,950
really truly accurate. The number of people are going to be going in and out are going to be way

1079
01:33:21,950 --> 01:33:25,970
higher than what we're being told. It's not just eight nurses who are going to be coming in and out

1080
01:33:25,970 --> 01:33:31,250
in a shift. There's going to be like 100 people going in and out throughout a day plus lots of

1081
01:33:31,250 --> 01:33:38,130
versus lots of staff, lots of deliveries and with a continuum of care, there will be increasing

1082
01:33:38,130 --> 01:33:43,970
number of ambulances and things like that in an area that's already very congested with

1083
01:33:43,970 --> 01:33:49,610
the new development for the bank and CVS as well as the Dunkin Donuts on the other side

1084
01:33:49,610 --> 01:33:50,470
of the street.

1085
01:33:51,130 --> 01:33:57,630
So I just think that as well as they talk about the parking, the parking in these places is always

1086
01:33:57,630 --> 01:33:59,230
I always have trouble getting parking.

1087
01:33:59,890 --> 01:34:02,950
So on the days like the weekends and others day and things like that,

1088
01:34:03,070 --> 01:34:07,250
the parking will always be a problem and it will overflow into the local area there.

1089
01:34:07,710 --> 01:34:12,850
So I think that one thing maybe is the members of the committee you may want to do is

1090
01:34:12,850 --> 01:34:19,250
perhaps have the, is you can might be able to get statistics from the similar community

1091
01:34:19,250 --> 01:34:20,650
that's right in like force.

1092
01:34:20,870 --> 01:34:22,210
It's 10 minutes from here.

1093
01:34:22,450 --> 01:34:24,190
I'm sure you can get all these statistics.

1094
01:34:24,190 --> 01:34:29,870
If you don't have to reject, you know, recreate the wheel and you can get all the information

1095
01:34:29,870 --> 01:34:34,990
you need from a similar community and find out all the data you need rather than trying

1096
01:34:34,990 --> 01:34:38,270
to get all the information from the people who are trying to sell it to us.

1097
01:34:38,570 --> 01:34:39,470
Thank you.

1098
01:34:46,900 --> 01:34:48,220
Thank you very much, sir.

1099
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:56,540
I have a lot of data in this tomorrow for 52 years and I know the site very well.

1100
01:34:56,660 --> 01:34:58,300
I have to be a licensed architect.

1101
01:34:58,300 --> 01:35:07,720
I wasn't employed by Dr. Grubber. Oh, maybe 18 years or so ago to examine the size for development.

1102
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:15,700
And I'm only here to talk about what I know, what I think I know.

1103
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:25,060
I don't want to talk about the density and the architecture because I think all that will cure out in time.

1104
01:35:25,060 --> 01:35:31,180
I'm more concerned about the ground, what's in the ground.

1105
01:35:31,900 --> 01:35:38,080
I don't know if you folks know, and I don't know if even if the developer knows what was there before.

1106
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:45,060
Because there was a big mound in the back that reacted type of thing.

1107
01:35:45,060 --> 01:35:51,680
They not only provided MRI,

1108
01:35:54,600 --> 01:36:01,580
which is imaging facilities, but also the treatment in the old warehouse building that still exists.

1109
01:36:02,860 --> 01:36:12,150
So I don't know if the developer has gone far enough to look at the site.

1110
01:36:12,150 --> 01:36:18,470
I don't even know if the city knows what's going on, because there are kind of blacks and

1111
01:36:18,470 --> 01:36:24,770
days to go at times and anyone knows that knows me knows that I speak out and I speak

1112
01:36:24,770 --> 01:36:25,630
the truth.

1113
01:36:26,590 --> 01:36:33,370
So I'm concerned if this is really a feasible site to develop what they want to develop

1114
01:36:33,370 --> 01:36:33,890
there.

1115
01:36:34,210 --> 01:36:36,970
I'll leave that up to the rest of the folks.

1116
01:36:37,390 --> 01:36:38,390
Thank you.

1117
01:37:04,890 --> 01:37:12,130
I'll talk fast. I spent a lot of time on this. It's a little bit difficult to take and read

1118
01:37:12,130 --> 01:37:17,050
a couple hundred pages and four days, but I'm going to just hit some salient points here.

1119
01:37:17,450 --> 01:37:21,410
It was rather disappointed in the market study with a lot of the flaws that I've seen in there

1120
01:37:21,410 --> 01:37:27,170
and basically points to lack a concern for accuracy and the fact that they listed Lake Forest

1121
01:37:27,170 --> 01:37:33,910
Hospital is in the nearest hospital was so blatant on page 33. It just floored me. With

1122
01:37:33,910 --> 01:37:38,370
that being said, I didn't have a chance to pick a part of the JLL study, but that's next

1123
01:37:38,370 --> 01:37:44,730
on my list. However, one of my main concerns is actually reviewing the drainage area and I'm not

1124
01:37:44,730 --> 01:37:50,830
an engineer, but when you take and tell me that you're increasing the impervious area by about

1125
01:37:50,830 --> 01:37:57,830
3x and you're going to reduce the yelp flow by about down to about 37%, that's about a factor

1126
01:37:57,830 --> 01:38:03,370
of 9 from 1 area to the other, and I can't fathom how that's going to take and happen.

1127
01:38:04,350 --> 01:38:05,230
Numbers are numbers.

1128
01:38:05,950 --> 01:38:06,670
I was an accountant.

1129
01:38:07,150 --> 01:38:13,110
I can make the numbers say whatever they want, so being an engineer of possibly 2.

1130
01:38:13,510 --> 01:38:20,190
But my main point here is I would appreciate the board taking a look at the master plan again.

1131
01:38:20,190 --> 01:38:22,110
I read the master plan.

1132
01:38:22,850 --> 01:38:29,150
It's specifically omits this property from both districts as it's listed there.

1133
01:38:29,550 --> 01:38:34,070
It's not listed in the North-West District as it is excluded in one of the drawings.

1134
01:38:34,270 --> 01:38:40,830
However, if you take and read the description, it says, the North-West District is bounded

1135
01:38:40,830 --> 01:38:45,850
by the Union Pacific Railroad Tracks on the East, Park Avenue on the West, and the city

1136
01:38:45,850 --> 01:38:47,430
limits on the West and the North.

1137
01:38:47,430 --> 01:39:00,370
This area should be zone to match the existing, contiguous area, our three with 40,000 square foot blocks and match the surrounding area.

1138
01:39:01,010 --> 01:39:07,890
Sparkling springs water, which was at the end of the range in Park Avenue, was reverted to residential work, residential.

1139
01:39:07,890 --> 01:39:14,090
So, only because the city would not take an allow it to take and develop anything differently.

1140
01:39:14,790 --> 01:39:17,510
This preparation not be any different than sparkling springs.

1141
01:39:17,670 --> 01:39:19,290
Thank you so much for your time.

1142
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:29,180
My name is Steve Gold.

1143
01:39:29,700 --> 01:39:36,920
I live two doors down from Greenberg on the north side of Park Avenue West, 1581 Park Avenue West.

1144
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:40,620
Thank you all for the opportunity to speak to the commission this evening.

1145
01:39:40,620 --> 01:39:46,480
I wrote a letter to the commission that talks about the traffic issues with this proposed

1146
01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:51,040
development and I did that not because I think the traffic is the most important issue

1147
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:51,600
here.

1148
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:56,380
I think that most important issue may go to the reduction in property value or the increased

1149
01:39:56,380 --> 01:40:00,440
water that we're going to suffer with a lack of conformity with the master plans.

1150
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:06,800
The last speaker just mentioned, but I do think that the traffic issues will illustrate that

1151
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:12,960
information provided by the developer and the staff here do not provide you with enough information

1152
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:19,160
on which to make a conclusion and determine if this development meets the standards that

1153
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:22,300
you need it to meet in order to give the variance as requested.

1154
01:40:23,340 --> 01:40:26,380
I won't belabor the the points that I raised in the letter.

1155
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:31,500
I walked through 15 issues that I saw from a review of the traffic materials that were included

1156
01:40:31,500 --> 01:40:36,540
in the proposal, nothing I've heard today other than a little bit of a discussion about

1157
01:40:36,540 --> 01:40:39,820
emergency services response to any of those issues.

1158
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:45,700
But we'll call out to you that the New York Times yesterday on the front page of its New York

1159
01:40:45,700 --> 01:40:53,580
edition address the topic of traffic congestion admittedly focusing on more urban setting than

1160
01:40:53,580 --> 01:40:54,440
highland park.

1161
01:40:54,700 --> 01:41:06,520
But in that discussion of traffic issues, they discussed some major contributors that are

1162
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:13,740
that are nowhere covered in the traffic materials and that could not have been covered in the underlying

1163
01:41:13,740 --> 01:41:20,820
ITE traffic data on which the developers in generalize because that data goes back to 1980 when

1164
01:41:20,820 --> 01:41:27,060
none of those things existed. I give them a little bit of time, I just want to hit world or

1165
01:41:27,060 --> 01:41:33,520
topic and that is the argument that we heard tonight from the developer that we heard extensively

1166
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:36,920
leave at the last hearing that it could be worse.

1167
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:40,820
There are worse things that could happen in the eyes-owned area.

1168
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:43,060
That's just not relevant.

1169
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:49,500
The proposal before us today is this proposal by this developer with these requested

1170
01:41:49,500 --> 01:41:50,800
variances today.

1171
01:41:51,460 --> 01:41:55,820
And the commission has to look at this proposal and determine whether it meets the standards

1172
01:41:56,380 --> 01:41:58,020
in order to give these variances.

1173
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:02,480
Does it's a substantial duration impair the value of other property and immediate

1174
01:42:02,480 --> 01:42:09,380
neighborhood doesn't want to be a journalist to the use and enjoyment of other property in the immediate vicinity.

1175
01:42:10,220 --> 01:42:14,480
That and that's some hypothetical other possible development is what you need to be looking at.

1176
01:42:15,300 --> 01:42:16,340
Thanks very much for your attention.

1177
01:42:24,910 --> 01:42:26,210
My name is Marty Kinzel.

1178
01:42:26,930 --> 01:42:27,950
I live in 1979.

1179
01:42:29,970 --> 01:42:30,450
Hi.

1180
01:42:30,910 --> 01:42:31,190
Marty Kinzel.

1181
01:42:31,250 --> 01:42:35,270
I'm a current and I want to thank you guys for your volunteering your time.

1182
01:42:35,590 --> 01:42:37,690
I know what it's like to volunteer time.

1183
01:42:37,690 --> 01:42:43,090
I've served on the library board and don't get this kind of crowd that we're going to

1184
01:42:43,090 --> 01:42:43,830
miss you.

1185
01:42:44,690 --> 01:42:50,210
If I could just jump in real quick, I'd like to bring up a few points relative to the

1186
01:42:50,210 --> 01:42:53,270
CBRE report that was included in there.

1187
01:42:53,450 --> 01:42:59,850
If you look at there, there's several points within our report pages 1824 and 81 in the board

1188
01:42:59,850 --> 01:43:03,810
packet, that line appraiser didn't even come out to visit the property.

1189
01:43:05,630 --> 01:43:09,910
This is basically a standard type of thing if you're in a praise or you're going to visit

1190
01:43:09,910 --> 01:43:14,430
the site unless it's specifying the scope or you can get around it.

1191
01:43:14,550 --> 01:43:18,110
I think that's important for a neighbor, for someone to have a feel for that neighborhood.

1192
01:43:19,190 --> 01:43:22,870
Same thing with Jones Langel's cell, the best thing now, I'll just carry a code 204 or either

1193
01:43:22,870 --> 01:43:23,930
Dallas or California.

1194
01:43:23,950 --> 01:43:26,250
I don't think they flew out here for that.

1195
01:43:27,230 --> 01:43:33,550
If you look at four pack of page 23 or page 80, how in park is 90 the intended user of

1196
01:43:33,550 --> 01:43:40,670
report this is an internal document or a terminal crow to evaluate the deal. This is an investment

1197
01:43:40,670 --> 01:43:46,210
deal and it's supported by pages 45 through 49 in your board packet where you're going to

1198
01:43:46,210 --> 01:43:52,910
cap rates, revenues per bad of seven hundred five they have a sale and like fours, additional

1199
01:43:52,910 --> 01:44:00,510
streams of revenue and whatnot. I'm fine with people making a dollar. I'm totally for that, but

1200
01:44:00,510 --> 01:44:04,510
your de-rolls to value at the expense of the community for that.

1201
01:44:06,810 --> 01:44:13,410
We're not to the GLR report. Every single comparable that they have in their report, they have seven.

1202
01:44:13,770 --> 01:44:18,710
All but one is located on a major street. These are major street developments.

1203
01:44:19,350 --> 01:44:26,550
The only one that is not is the one in Lake Forest, which is adjacent to Lake Forest's Haskell, access only through West Marlin.

1204
01:44:27,850 --> 01:44:39,750
Okay, so that's just touching on there and to how I've mentioned the pages where we are not home parts 90 attended user, you rely on it at your own risk, specifically stated throughout their report.

1205
01:44:41,450 --> 01:44:51,170
And my lawyer that I mentioned, my concerns relative to our community is Crown Park currently has an 18% rental rate within our community.

1206
01:44:51,170 --> 01:44:54,290
This is ice cream and this is information you should have in your packet.

1207
01:44:55,410 --> 01:44:59,970
Your field, 13%, Northbroke 14, Lake Forest, 11, Glencoe.

1208
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:11,000
7. These are our neighbors, all of the net 5 mile radius. We are the highest. Every additional, it's 200 additional units. We're going to get hit 20%.

1209
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:29,060
Our relative to, we have a GW range development across the street that was approved, that man stayed within, that developer stayed within the coast. What kind of message are we sending to business people that we can kind of shoehorn a deal with multiple variations and whatnot?

1210
01:45:30,060 --> 01:45:35,420
Um, again, everything I, I, I wrote it in there and I just appreciate your time.

1211
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:40,320
I truly do and I appreciate you taking your time on your decision.

1212
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:42,420
Thank you.

1213
01:45:50,190 --> 01:45:51,390
My name is David Riggold.

1214
01:45:51,410 --> 01:45:58,930
I'm also a 1581 Park Avenue West, two doors down from the proposed site redevelopment and

1215
01:45:58,930 --> 01:46:02,950
bare no relation to the other goal to spoke other than through marriage and we operate

1216
01:46:02,950 --> 01:46:03,450
independently.

1217
01:46:03,450 --> 01:46:06,330
like so I reserved that right to speak into it.

1218
01:46:07,250 --> 01:46:13,530
I wanted to focus the commission and all the reviewers on some of the same themes with a slightly different twist.

1219
01:46:13,950 --> 01:46:15,730
And that is on the plans and the standards.

1220
01:46:17,270 --> 01:46:21,710
As others have said, what it could have been or that it could have been worse isn't the standard.

1221
01:46:21,970 --> 01:46:26,310
It's Stanton's Quo anti as it exists as it's existing use.

1222
01:46:26,970 --> 01:46:55,070
Secondly, none of this takes into account any of the plan, at least in consistencies, as to where this site falls, and it appears likely, and I'm happy to lay this out in more detail for the commission, there may have been an orphan site, it's carved out in one place, but not in narrative of another, it is clearly not shown in the scoky highway district, indeed that district map, which is core to this, cuts right through the property, so how could it have been included?

1223
01:46:55,070 --> 01:46:59,910
I realize that's not a commission act but it's part of the legacy that bears

1224
01:46:59,910 --> 01:47:05,950
examination here. Mostly the plans like many of the standards call for

1225
01:47:05,950 --> 01:47:11,590
review of what I would call compatibility which is can the proposed land use

1226
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:16,830
coexist in relative proximity and in stable fashion over time without

1227
01:47:16,830 --> 01:47:21,630
negative impacts to the surrounding areas and I submit that there is insufficient

1228
01:47:22,190 --> 01:47:25,490
independent or credible evidence for the commission to make that finding.

1229
01:47:25,650 --> 01:47:30,970
Either is a finding effect or as a favorable decision to green light this for further proceedings.

1230
01:47:31,810 --> 01:47:36,590
Frankly, I think we've heard a lot of shuffling facts today, and it's just not ready for primetime yet.

1231
01:47:37,710 --> 01:47:46,410
What evidence there is on the standards, I would say, if you look at there's a document that is of indeterminate authorship,

1232
01:47:46,410 --> 01:47:51,750
at least by me, I can't tell who wrote it, that reports to list the standards and then show

1233
01:47:51,750 --> 01:47:52,510
the answers,

1234
01:47:54,670 --> 01:47:59,570
and those answers are often non-responsive, they talk about something completely

1235
01:47:59,570 --> 01:48:04,650
different or address only part of the standard, and I would suggest that that is done repeatedly

1236
01:48:04,650 --> 01:48:16,390
by injecting marketed verbiage from other proposal language, that it's to the extent of being

1237
01:48:16,390 --> 01:48:21,990
is also not addressed, and the intent of the master plan documents is as others have said that this

1238
01:48:21,990 --> 01:48:28,990
we used in a step-down way moving more toward low-impact, low-density land use as was done in the

1239
01:48:28,990 --> 01:48:35,270
Grange proposal. Finally, I just touched on the stormwater in a legroom really quickly.

1240
01:48:36,230 --> 01:48:40,630
Stormwater, some of us have existing spot-pulling if not flooding in our properties.

1241
01:48:40,630 --> 01:48:48,230
We're directly west of this facility that's true of Greenwich Avenue homes that they're back faces up on it

1242
01:48:48,230 --> 01:48:52,890
And again, someone said visit the site or we can produce pictures of that. This will make it worse

1243
01:48:52,890 --> 01:48:57,150
You can't avoid that fact but at an understanding of the impervious

1244
01:48:58,110 --> 01:49:00,630
Expans that will be increased by this proposed development

1245
01:49:01,710 --> 01:49:07,670
Secondly on a leg row while I'm delighted to see them officially surface and be able to answer questions

1246
01:49:07,670 --> 01:49:10,210
They've been an instrumental part of y'all along.

1247
01:49:11,530 --> 01:49:13,390
They are the operating day-to-day manager.

1248
01:49:14,130 --> 01:49:19,010
And frankly, no of what they say can be binding on them

1249
01:49:19,010 --> 01:49:22,810
or on trample crow unless it's in the form of restrictions

1250
01:49:22,810 --> 01:49:24,550
that run with the land.

1251
01:49:26,510 --> 01:49:29,310
And I would think there are other areas of investigation

1252
01:49:29,310 --> 01:49:31,790
for a leg or that may not be part of the commission.

1253
01:49:32,850 --> 01:49:36,650
But that would be relevant, including their financial ownership,

1254
01:49:36,650 --> 01:49:42,050
which I saw a part and parcel of another plan in Boko Raton that was rejected, but at

1255
01:49:42,050 --> 01:49:46,850
least required disclosure of their ownership that runs up to two individuals.

1256
01:49:47,410 --> 01:49:48,070
Thank you very much.

1257
01:49:52,670 --> 01:49:53,670
My name is Lehi Metnik.

1258
01:49:53,670 --> 01:49:56,730
I've lived on the current road over 40 years

1259
01:50:00,890 --> 01:50:03,150
speaking of other alternatives.

1260
01:50:03,470 --> 01:50:11,150
My first move in where hibernia developed the development is now that used to be a cornfield.

1261
01:50:11,150 --> 01:50:15,430
So, if we want to visualize what else could be, I think everybody would admit,

1262
01:50:15,590 --> 01:50:19,550
hi-Gernia is a positive addition to Highland Park,

1263
01:50:19,850 --> 01:50:22,270
I don't know why that can't be at the Greenburg site.

1264
01:50:22,970 --> 01:50:26,250
You know, as I'm sitting here, I can't help but think of

1265
01:50:26,250 --> 01:50:29,510
that development on Central Avenue with their,

1266
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:32,730
a lot of construction going on, but there's one house that's standing.

1267
01:50:33,530 --> 01:50:35,090
I'm sure everybody's aware of that.

1268
01:50:35,250 --> 01:50:36,150
Why is it there?

1269
01:50:36,670 --> 01:50:40,570
Because of the historical commission is fighting for the apartheid floor,

1270
01:50:43,110 --> 01:50:51,830
to significantly significant for the highland park residents. My final plea is I wish you

1271
01:50:51,830 --> 01:50:56,710
would show as much compassion for us as a historical commission is showing to that

1272
01:50:56,710 --> 01:50:57,630
park a floor.

1273
01:51:09,260 --> 01:51:11,360
Can you, HL, okay?

1274
01:51:16,130 --> 01:51:17,710
It was a good one.

1275
01:51:21,190 --> 01:51:24,850
Okay, so I'm just going to talk real quick on wasn't prepared to speak so my words perhaps

1276
01:51:24,850 --> 01:51:27,530
and I can be as eloquent as some of the people that went before me.

1277
01:51:27,850 --> 01:51:32,010
But I think one piece that I haven't heard much about are all of the kids.

1278
01:51:32,510 --> 01:51:36,570
We're in a very, you know, in Grandkids, because I think there's many of those as well.

1279
01:51:37,270 --> 01:51:43,170
On our street, in the current alone, I think there's probably 30 kids new moving in every day as the

1280
01:51:43,170 --> 01:51:49,250
neighborhood's turn. Many grandkids. And if you ever dive down the current, people use it as a

1281
01:51:49,250 --> 01:51:54,070
short cut. There's always excessive speeding. I contacted the police about it many times.

1282
01:51:54,070 --> 01:51:55,730
because I'm worried for my kid's safety.

1283
01:51:56,270 --> 01:51:58,990
And even for those of us who go down park on a regular basis,

1284
01:51:59,490 --> 01:52:01,550
it's the same thing. There's always kids about.

1285
01:52:01,890 --> 01:52:06,990
And as you look at the traffic impact and burden on the community,

1286
01:52:07,070 --> 01:52:09,210
which I think some people said very well,

1287
01:52:09,490 --> 01:52:11,430
was perhaps underrepresented.

1288
01:52:13,290 --> 01:52:16,330
You know, what is that going to do to all of these kids that are out there praying?

1289
01:52:16,690 --> 01:52:21,950
And many of us moms can't be here. It's really hard with activities and getting them to bed,

1290
01:52:21,950 --> 01:52:26,510
fed and all that kind of stuff. So I just wanted to make sure to point out that was a concern.

1291
01:52:27,030 --> 01:52:31,910
And then I think this got hit on a little bit, but there was, you know, those of us that

1292
01:52:31,910 --> 01:52:36,310
have to get kids on the bus in the morning, you know, 7 a.m. this one, the high school and little school

1293
01:52:36,310 --> 01:52:42,910
buses come and, you know, safety isn't much too. And then 3 p.m. is about like time those kids are

1294
01:52:42,910 --> 01:52:49,330
dropped off and are walking home. So just to kind of point that out, and my last point would be,

1295
01:52:49,330 --> 01:52:51,770
Um, you know, as I worry about, you know,

1296
01:52:51,870 --> 01:52:55,650
McCrayer and the burden on the local people cutting through already.

1297
01:52:56,090 --> 01:52:57,510
What will happen with ambulances?

1298
01:52:57,610 --> 01:53:00,770
Because I think we all know there's a trained free train that goes through

1299
01:53:00,770 --> 01:53:04,130
that blocks that intersection for a significant amount of time.

1300
01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:05,550
So then what will happen?

1301
01:53:06,030 --> 01:53:08,170
Because obviously it's a direct pass from

1302
01:53:08,170 --> 01:53:10,810
Park down to Highland Park Hospital.

1303
01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:13,910
What I don't know what happens when like a train goes by.

1304
01:53:14,090 --> 01:53:15,830
Does that mean McCrayer and Reconval

1305
01:53:15,830 --> 01:53:18,630
are the cut-through routes for those people to be

1306
01:53:18,630 --> 01:53:20,190
get transported to the hospital?

1307
01:53:20,270 --> 01:53:22,550
Yeah, that's all.

1308
01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:23,630
All right, let's all have.

1309
01:53:40,180 --> 01:53:41,840
Wait in, all right.

1310
01:53:49,420 --> 01:53:49,580
Hmm?

1311
01:53:56,090 --> 01:53:57,610
Should we bring you?

1312
01:53:59,670 --> 01:54:00,130
Shall we go?

1313
01:54:00,750 --> 01:54:01,990
16, 11.

1314
01:54:04,660 --> 01:54:04,920
Yes.

1315
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:05,420
Maybe 20.

1316
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:10,140
I don't think it's, I don't think.

1317
01:54:17,500 --> 01:54:19,820
Do you use your cover, but it doesn't bother me.

1318
01:54:20,820 --> 01:54:21,180
Don't worry.

1319
01:54:29,180 --> 01:54:30,460
I'm sorry,

1320
01:54:33,580 --> 01:54:35,020
these are other colors, I'm sorry,

1321
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:46,750
would be your copy when the commissioner said,

1322
01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:50,340
and then those.

1323
01:55:12,540 --> 01:55:14,400
I'm sorry about that.

1324
01:55:14,440 --> 01:55:15,300
I'm sorry about that.

1325
01:55:18,730 --> 01:55:21,170
I've always given slide shows by the developers.

1326
01:55:21,710 --> 01:55:24,090
I wanted to present a few things here.

1327
01:55:24,990 --> 01:55:28,710
You want me to start, it's a guy like to get those, but

1328
01:55:32,260 --> 01:55:33,060
what's your name?

1329
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:35,780
Michael Laxon, I'm sorry, Michael Laxon, in the 1960s.

1330
01:55:44,690 --> 01:55:48,690
It's really, there's some photos in there that I didn't want to give everybody

1331
01:55:48,690 --> 01:55:53,590
by the color copies or hit my pocketbook a little bit too much.

1332
01:55:55,210 --> 01:55:58,210
I think two of you have colored copies if you want to look at a better perspective.

1333
01:55:58,370 --> 01:55:59,750
You would have to ask those.

1334
01:56:00,170 --> 01:56:02,990
The mission is to show you.

1335
01:56:03,870 --> 01:56:05,070
Are we ready here in here?

1336
01:56:06,110 --> 01:56:06,270
Okay.

1337
01:56:06,450 --> 01:56:08,230
Did you give a copy of this to the developer?

1338
01:56:08,930 --> 01:56:09,730
No, I did not.

1339
01:56:09,730 --> 01:56:10,770
I don't have a spare.

1340
01:56:11,770 --> 01:56:12,030
I'm sorry.

1341
01:56:12,430 --> 01:56:13,750
I didn't.

1342
01:56:14,370 --> 01:56:14,970
No, I'm sorry.

1343
01:56:15,070 --> 01:56:16,670
I didn't realize that.

1344
01:56:16,970 --> 01:56:17,130
Okay.

1345
01:56:17,970 --> 01:56:23,590
The first image is just what I consider the excessive height really being sought.

1346
01:56:24,650 --> 01:56:27,730
I think even though they get the measure from the eaves to the peak,

1347
01:56:27,730 --> 01:56:33,790
The meeting in between, I think a federal comparison is peak to peak because in the air

1348
01:56:33,790 --> 01:56:38,270
3 is owning, you're only allowed 35 feet to the peak, and in the air 6 across the

1349
01:56:38,270 --> 01:56:40,170
street on Park Avenue, you're only allowed 30 feet.

1350
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:46,690
The maximum point they're looking at now is 47 feet, 6 inches, and that was making a comparison

1351
01:56:46,690 --> 01:56:50,630
to the 45 feet allowed under the commercial, right now under light industrial.

1352
01:56:50,630 --> 01:56:52,830
Well, they know I've seen that in certain,

1353
01:56:53,350 --> 01:56:57,490
in the corners and the main entranceway.

1354
01:56:58,330 --> 01:56:59,470
But I just wanted to quite that out

1355
01:56:59,470 --> 01:57:02,090
that I think is a fair comparison to go to pick the peak

1356
01:57:02,090 --> 01:57:04,830
for her joining neighbors, and then we'll get it

1357
01:57:04,830 --> 01:57:06,030
over 1,700 feet.

1358
01:57:06,050 --> 01:57:08,790
Our 17 feet, six inches across part of Avenue,

1359
01:57:09,090 --> 01:57:11,210
and 12 feet, six inches in comparison

1360
01:57:11,210 --> 01:57:13,430
to houses on Grandi's Avenue.

1361
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:18,020
This one I might need a pointer.

1362
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:19,800
I'm sorry.

1363
01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:31,100
Now, that is present that they try to give a perspective of reducing the bulk, and now that we're talking about this success of height, now we can add kind of like what the width is.

1364
01:57:32,060 --> 01:57:39,840
If you're going to look at this with Park Daddy, if you go across their walls in this direction, this is all going to be viewable with Park Daddy.

1365
01:57:40,420 --> 01:57:44,960
If you stretch this line out, you would cross them here to hear the cross that whole property.

1366
01:57:44,960 --> 01:57:51,440
We'll face with that whole bulk face and also face with all the windows that are going to be facing, facing directly under the street.

1367
01:57:52,060 --> 01:57:59,800
It just feels very like a big imposition into our neighborhood as far as what's existing there is in the residential area.

1368
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:08,980
And, you know, it kicks from these comparisons to what can happen in the worst case scenario in the light industrial.

1369
01:58:09,940 --> 01:58:14,660
Well, well, we've got the zoning code for the scope, there is a section under the scope

1370
01:58:14,660 --> 01:58:15,600
of your highway business, please.

1371
01:58:16,140 --> 01:58:20,120
They would only be allowed to move that type of development or the next one that's going

1372
01:58:20,120 --> 01:58:23,480
to be shown if there's other 25,000 square feet.

1373
01:58:24,060 --> 01:58:26,620
So, the line on the outside scenarios would not actually be allowed.

1374
01:58:27,180 --> 01:58:28,820
They would have to go through the PUD process.

1375
01:58:29,020 --> 01:58:30,520
It wouldn't be by right.

1376
01:58:31,560 --> 01:58:35,640
And I think that definition kind of, and you can go to it, it's in your pamphlet.

1377
01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:38,860
It throws it into this array that, okay.

1378
01:58:39,080 --> 01:58:42,980
That's just an array, because it's two bounds that again would fall under the plug based

1379
01:58:42,980 --> 01:58:47,040
on that section of the zoning, okay.

1380
01:58:48,020 --> 01:58:53,060
So, I have two uses that, you know, as possible there, that one necessarily may have high intensity.

1381
01:58:53,580 --> 01:58:57,640
It's simply a two-star storage facility, and I have only two cards in a partner line.

1382
01:58:57,700 --> 01:59:01,400
I probably took this about 233 and you have to know it on a bike drive, next thing.

1383
01:59:02,180 --> 01:59:02,880
And, uh,

1384
01:59:05,660 --> 01:59:09,680
okay, so you see just simply that a nursery, and this is basins at the corner of

1385
01:59:09,680 --> 01:59:13,580
the block here in it and, uh, halfway road, so, so those are the latter of our time of the

1386
01:59:13,580 --> 01:59:17,280
use is listed underlight industrial that could be used.

1387
01:59:17,440 --> 01:59:21,860
The other one is just that we've found a line that you can look at a little quickly, if you could

1388
01:59:21,860 --> 01:59:22,760
pass through it on here quick.

1389
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:25,600
That was about the buffers on actually, that wasn't a lot.

1390
01:59:26,840 --> 01:59:27,820
Yeah, if you could just pass through it.

1391
01:59:27,900 --> 01:59:29,680
That's what the wedding calls are actually going to look like.

1392
01:59:29,960 --> 01:59:30,280
Very similar.

1393
01:59:30,400 --> 01:59:31,180
This is a car wash.

1394
01:59:34,060 --> 01:59:36,000
That's what it looks like at night.

1395
01:59:36,480 --> 01:59:37,140
That's a close up.

1396
01:59:37,140 --> 01:59:39,760
Next one would be looking at it farther from the distance.

1397
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:41,140
It's not what the length goes away.

1398
01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:42,280
Yes, it's projected down.

1399
01:59:42,540 --> 01:59:45,120
But you're going to be faced with this.

1400
01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:49,260
And that's what our micron looks like at night when you take an image down it.

1401
01:59:49,260 --> 01:59:50,420
Next image would be cool.

1402
01:59:50,540 --> 01:59:51,640
Take an image down.

1403
01:59:53,620 --> 01:59:56,160
And then that's the way this, you know what?

1404
01:59:56,460 --> 01:59:57,300
And then is that it in?

1405
01:59:57,320 --> 01:59:58,040
Is there more?

1406
01:59:59,120 --> 01:59:59,960
That's what's Sunday.

1407
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:10,000
I'm still a rattle, look like at night. So it's not, you know, this is a vote. It's going to be this quiet little imposition in our neighborhood. It's going to have an effect. Thank you.

1408
02:00:30,780 --> 02:00:38,840
Thank you, I think the applicant was been given some feedback and there's certainly additional information that the

1409
02:00:38,840 --> 02:00:43,120
Commission has requested and some concerns that the Commission has expressed.

1410
02:00:47,060 --> 02:00:51,200
I'm assuming there's not going to be a motion with regard to the application.

1411
02:00:53,680 --> 02:00:54,560
Is there,

1412
02:01:00,340 --> 02:01:06,080
they got to come back anyway, I need to let them respond. Do we just continue it?

1413
02:01:11,110 --> 02:01:15,570
I have an option to continue this matter to the next to the next meeting.

1414
02:01:17,290 --> 02:01:20,950
Mr. Chair, I don't think the next meeting is on April 16th.

1415
02:01:21,270 --> 02:01:24,850
And I think it works well to continue to that.

1416
02:01:24,850 --> 02:01:28,590
Not only if the applicant decides they need more time to create a set of role materials,

1417
02:01:29,630 --> 02:01:33,110
then it will be contained without discussion then to the first meeting in May.

1418
02:01:34,470 --> 02:01:37,950
And we will be able to post that and make that information public.

1419
02:01:38,030 --> 02:01:39,690
Just so people don't waste a trip here.

1420
02:01:39,690 --> 02:01:43,950
Right, okay. So for this purpose though, it's

1421
02:01:43,950 --> 02:01:45,610
to continue to the next meeting.

1422
02:01:46,850 --> 02:01:49,270
And then the applicant can decide to postpone it for this.

1423
02:01:49,370 --> 02:01:50,150
My thought.

1424
02:01:50,570 --> 02:01:51,330
Director gives me something.

1425
02:01:51,410 --> 02:01:53,850
I mean, we do have a pretty tight turn around on additional

1426
02:01:53,850 --> 02:01:55,430
submittals to make it to that next meeting.

1427
02:01:56,030 --> 02:01:56,250
Okay.

1428
02:01:57,610 --> 02:02:00,870
Well, I mean, the applicant needs a further needs more time

1429
02:02:00,870 --> 02:02:03,510
than they can ask.

1430
02:02:03,890 --> 02:02:04,110
Okay.

1431
02:02:08,820 --> 02:02:12,040
We should continue this matter to April 16th, 2019.

1432
02:02:40,600 --> 02:02:42,020
Some of...

1433
02:02:42,040 --> 02:02:47,120
And we'll take this very seriously in our deliberations.

1434
02:02:47,280 --> 02:02:48,920
Thank you for being able to do that.

1435
02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:50,200
I'm looking back at this.

1436
02:02:50,520 --> 02:02:50,920
Right on sale.

1437
02:02:51,960 --> 02:02:53,520
I'm going to take a picture.

1438
02:02:53,780 --> 02:02:54,900
I'm not going to discuss this.

1439
02:02:55,220 --> 02:02:56,160
I'm going to discuss this.

1440
02:02:56,280 --> 02:02:59,000
I'm going to take a picture.

1441
02:02:59,140 --> 02:02:59,920
Can I take a picture?

1442
02:03:00,360 --> 02:03:00,900
Do you?

1443
02:03:01,060 --> 02:03:02,360
I'm going to take a picture.

1444
02:03:03,160 --> 02:03:03,580
I'm going to take a picture.

1445
02:03:04,580 --> 02:03:06,120
I haven't changed, so.

1446
02:03:06,340 --> 02:03:07,200
I haven't changed.

1447
02:03:07,880 --> 02:03:08,240
It's good.

1448
02:03:09,900 --> 02:03:10,720
Maybe five?

1449
02:03:11,400 --> 02:03:11,620
Maybe.

1450
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:46,760
I mean 500 of those?

1451
02:03:46,760 --> 02:03:50,460
I think he said fans, that's about one of those.

1452
02:03:51,260 --> 02:03:52,980
Well actually 20,000.

1453
02:03:55,400 --> 02:03:56,760
I can't see the new one.

1454
02:03:56,960 --> 02:03:58,200
And it's the big one for me.

1455
02:03:58,440 --> 02:04:01,780
Yeah, it was at about 20% of the people who were over.

1456
02:04:02,520 --> 02:04:03,780
It's about 20,000.

1457
02:04:03,780 --> 02:04:06,260
The 20,000 people don't count, but that is very cool.

1458
02:06:48,760 --> 02:06:55,760
404-SUP-001 for a special use consideration to allow a child care facility as a conditional

1459
02:06:55,760 --> 02:07:00,540
land use in the R-4 single family zoning district at 640 Ridge Road.

1460
02:07:04,670 --> 02:07:07,430
Welcome to the regular meeting of the Highland Park Plan and Design Commission.

1461
02:07:08,030 --> 02:07:11,630
My name is Adam Hect, a quorum of the Plan and Design Commission being present.

1462
02:07:11,790 --> 02:07:15,650
The members of the Plan and Design Commission will now introduce themselves for the record

1463
02:07:15,650 --> 02:07:17,410
from my right.

1464
02:07:17,970 --> 02:07:18,550
Annabletower?

1465
02:07:18,550 --> 02:07:19,330
Can I cross?

1466
02:07:19,790 --> 02:07:20,690
Ernie Rangstein.

1467
02:07:21,150 --> 02:07:21,670
Adam Glaser?

1468
02:07:22,130 --> 02:07:23,890
Ben Kutcheid, Michael Leef.

1469
02:07:24,590 --> 02:07:26,410
Plan and design commission is charged with hearing

1470
02:07:26,410 --> 02:07:29,150
applications for rezoning, planned developments

1471
02:07:29,150 --> 02:07:31,270
and subdivisions under the zoning ordinance,

1472
02:07:31,670 --> 02:07:34,210
and subdivision regulations of the city of Highland Park.

1473
02:07:34,570 --> 02:07:36,770
In all matters, we recommend to the city council

1474
02:07:36,770 --> 02:07:39,530
based upon the testimony presented to us in the hearing.

1475
02:07:40,110 --> 02:07:41,770
We are required to decide cases

1476
02:07:41,770 --> 02:07:44,510
within 45 days after receipt of the transcript.

1477
02:07:44,510 --> 02:07:56,570
All testimonies under oath, both applicants and others who wish to speak on a particular case should present specific evidence as to why a proposal meets or fails to meet the standards for the relief requested.

1478
02:07:56,890 --> 02:08:02,910
Reclarity of our record only one person at a time will speak and all questions will be directed through the chair.

1479
02:08:03,490 --> 02:08:06,670
We ask that you make every effort to not be repetitive in your testimony.

1480
02:08:07,170 --> 02:08:12,570
Finally, we will make every effort to adhere to the schedule prepared for tonight's hearing,

1481
02:08:12,770 --> 02:08:14,510
a traditional time is needed on a matter.

1482
02:08:14,730 --> 02:08:17,170
It will be continued until the next available agenda.

1483
02:08:19,300 --> 02:08:23,040
With that, I open the floor for the staff to the Plan and Design Commission to read

1484
02:08:23,040 --> 02:08:25,400
into the record proof of publication and ownership.

1485
02:08:26,040 --> 02:08:29,020
Mr. Chairman, proof of publication and ownership are available for viewing

1486
02:08:29,020 --> 02:08:33,360
at the offices of Community Development, 1150 Half-Day Road and Halemper.

1487
02:08:33,920 --> 02:08:34,360
Thank you.

1488
02:08:34,360 --> 02:08:38,440
Is there anything we can do to, they all downstairs?

1489
02:08:41,480 --> 02:08:46,720
Yeah, and I just, you know, we don't have the U.S. marshals.

1490
02:08:47,260 --> 02:08:47,600
We don't have the U.S. marshals.

1491
02:08:47,600 --> 02:08:47,960
Yeah.

1492
02:08:49,620 --> 02:08:55,360
So, at least while we have the low roar of just make sure everybody speaks up.

1493
02:08:55,880 --> 02:08:55,960
Okay.

1494
02:08:56,080 --> 02:08:56,400
I'll try.

1495
02:08:56,800 --> 02:08:58,840
All right. Well, Mr. Chair, thank you, Mr. Chair.

1496
02:08:58,860 --> 02:08:59,900
Members of the Plan Commission.

1497
02:09:01,560 --> 02:09:11,620
This is a public hearing for a special use permit, which is required to conduct a land use that is identified as a conditional land use in a given zoning district.

1498
02:09:12,440 --> 02:09:18,180
The applicants in this case are the Highland Park Community Daycare Nursery School and Daycare Center.

1499
02:09:18,300 --> 02:09:20,000
I'm almost sure I have that right.

1500
02:09:20,440 --> 02:09:27,660
But we always just refer to them as HP community and so you'll see them refer to that way in the staff report and throughout the PowerPoint presentation this evening.

1501
02:09:28,420 --> 02:09:34,880
And their particular petition is to establish a child care facility, which is a conditional

1502
02:09:34,880 --> 02:09:38,400
land use in the underlying R for zoning district.

1503
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:43,560
This is the property where the project is being proposed, which is referred to as the subject

1504
02:09:43,560 --> 02:09:44,140
site.

1505
02:09:45,180 --> 02:09:46,760
It's just to help get your bearings.

1506
02:09:47,360 --> 02:09:50,180
This is, of course, Skoki Valley Highway, and this is Ridge Road.

1507
02:09:50,200 --> 02:09:54,880
This is on the west part of town, and the solo cup site that's been subject to some discussion

1508
02:09:54,880 --> 02:10:00,560
Lately is just up north of the TV screen right there, and heading down here is District 112's

1509
02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:05,860
school, sort of campus right here, with three facilities on red oak lane, and then Ridge

1510
02:10:05,860 --> 02:10:11,380
Road here, I had in southbound with my mouse, and the park district of Highland Park's West

1511
02:10:11,380 --> 02:10:17,840
Ridge Center right there, and there is a 2.8 acre piece of land owned by District 112 by

1512
02:10:17,840 --> 02:10:23,660
here, and they have consented to allow HP community organization to come forward to the application

1513
02:10:23,660 --> 02:10:31,280
to establish the childcare facility on this property. So it is a district owned property next to

1514
02:10:31,280 --> 02:10:39,240
a park district owned property for a use by another nonprofit here in town. One key item that we'll

1515
02:10:39,240 --> 02:10:53,520
get into later is that the school district did allow the use of that property, but look at the

1516
02:10:53,520 --> 02:10:59,320
existing school facilities and the district was adamant about that. So that's an important part of this application will see as we're moving forward

1517
02:11:00,260 --> 02:11:04,060
So just a couple other salient points of the special use permit petition

1518
02:11:04,060 --> 02:11:10,800
There is currently a 5800 square foot building proposed on the property, but a key part of this is room for expansion

1519
02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:17,220
So we'll see about a 2,500 square foot area adjacent to the building on the site plan that they'd like to expand in the future

1520
02:11:17,980 --> 02:11:24,280
We'll be examining parking here in some detail and also site management and traffic impact.

1521
02:11:24,800 --> 02:11:26,840
So there is parking on the site and off properties.

1522
02:11:27,100 --> 02:11:29,880
We'll be digging into all those bits in a bit here.

1523
02:11:30,180 --> 02:11:34,400
A bit more about the land use just to familiarize yourself with kind of how this is being approached.

1524
02:11:34,820 --> 02:11:37,920
You can see the property there is well-in-scanced in yellow.

1525
02:11:38,100 --> 02:11:40,980
That is the R for zoning district or this property is located.

1526
02:11:41,900 --> 02:11:43,400
And then we have this land use table.

1527
02:11:43,400 --> 02:12:09,200
You've seen referenced in other staff reports that has come before you that identify not only the permitted land uses in each zoning district, but those that are p permitted with no special use process or see conditional and you can see here how the child care facility is identified as a conditional and a special use process is what's required to approve that the conditional land use or special use process authorizes the commission to enact specific conditions.

1528
02:12:09,200 --> 02:12:13,660
We've already referenced them now a few with the previous public hearing riots, so I won't go into too much detail

1529
02:12:13,660 --> 02:12:24,400
But as a unique planning tool that allows the commission to address very site specific context specific and land use specific issues that are associated with not only child care facilities

1530
02:12:24,400 --> 02:12:30,520
But monasteries and cemeteries and cemeteries as well in the other zoning districts

1531
02:12:31,240 --> 02:12:38,620
So a look at the site plan can really help understand a lot about the proposed use and it's most unique feature is how it abuts the

1532
02:12:38,620 --> 02:12:42,940
hard district's west ridge property to the west there and how it interacts with it.

1533
02:12:43,240 --> 02:12:47,880
We see red oak lane here off to the east, after the west rather, and as you'll see,

1534
02:12:48,080 --> 02:12:53,560
the no access is proposed there per the condition with the property owner district 112.

1535
02:12:54,600 --> 02:12:59,980
So the proposed, built structure is located on the eastern portion of the lot.

1536
02:13:00,260 --> 02:13:06,000
Here is the area for expansion. I noticed earlier, and so this site plan will be included if approved

1537
02:13:06,000 --> 02:13:11,160
this part of the special use permit and allow that and the property interacts here with

1538
02:13:11,160 --> 02:13:17,420
the park district property such that it utilizes the park districts and I'll say the

1539
02:13:17,420 --> 02:13:24,520
West Ridge Center is parking lot for access to West Ridge Road. The West Ridge Center utilizes

1540
02:13:24,520 --> 02:13:29,660
this parking largely for staff parking. You can see down here off of Ridge, they've already

1541
02:13:29,660 --> 02:13:35,320
got a dedicated turn around area. So the really peak intensity of drop off and I pick up

1542
02:13:35,320 --> 02:13:40,960
drop-off activities occur elsewhere on the western side and not here in the parking lot.

1543
02:13:41,380 --> 02:13:47,000
So this and here we have an arrow kind of showing the ingress to the property and the

1544
02:13:47,000 --> 02:13:52,660
egress would be around the roundabout back and through out on the ridge and this roundabout

1545
02:13:52,660 --> 02:13:53,680
here is new.

1546
02:13:55,740 --> 02:14:01,240
The purvious or impervious surface really here, the parking lot ends near this dash line on

1547
02:14:01,240 --> 02:14:14,240
The Westerage property this roundabout is new and provides access to the 22 space parking lot proposed on the on the subject property there at 640 Ridge serving the school building.

1548
02:14:16,280 --> 02:14:24,560
It's just noting here the setbacks are identified on this property and are satisfied by the location or you know by the location of the post building.

1549
02:14:24,560 --> 02:14:28,520
There is the dedicated turnaround there providing access to the

1550
02:14:28,520 --> 02:14:32,680
the Westridge facility and as we'll see here in a few slides momentarily

1551
02:14:32,680 --> 02:14:36,660
the traffic analysis provided by the applicants and reviewed by the

1552
02:14:36,660 --> 02:14:38,580
city's third party traffic consultant

1553
02:14:38,580 --> 02:14:42,600
concurred that this dedicated dropoff pick-up zone for Westridge

1554
02:14:42,600 --> 02:14:46,760
will avoid a lot of conflicts with pick-up and drop-out activities for the

1555
02:14:46,760 --> 02:14:49,340
HP Center, HP Community Facility.

1556
02:14:50,860 --> 02:14:55,120
that access that you so identified with that red arrow will require a permanent

1557
02:14:55,120 --> 02:14:58,040
access easement over the part district property.

1558
02:14:58,780 --> 02:14:59,860
So that is an important

1559
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:08,340
Document, as I mentioned, the staff report that the HP community group is working on having finalized prior to consideration by the city council.

1560
02:15:10,480 --> 02:15:20,400
There are vehicle turning exhibits that are included in your staff report and that verify a full and efficient maneuverability of vehicles around the site.

1561
02:15:20,400 --> 02:15:25,940
And the site plan was reviewed and, in fact, created in concert with the Fire Chief, Chief Samachief Amade.

1562
02:15:26,380 --> 02:15:31,720
He took a rig out there and worked with the applicants to really verify exactly how much movement was needed,

1563
02:15:31,860 --> 02:15:33,700
how much turning radio I needed to be provided.

1564
02:15:34,260 --> 02:15:38,460
So, the site has been approved by the Fire Department, the Police Department reviewed it as well.

1565
02:15:38,660 --> 02:15:44,120
As I mentioned in the staff report, a lot of the police departments concerns were not with ingress egress in access,

1566
02:15:44,780 --> 02:15:47,720
but really more about security related to the school facility itself.

1567
02:15:47,720 --> 02:15:53,400
And as the applicants can brochure, talk about later this evening, they're incorporating many of the,

1568
02:15:53,400 --> 02:15:59,220
really, if not all of the police department's comments without even, with no prodding, they were just already part of their plan.

1569
02:16:00,360 --> 02:16:04,860
So this is one of the several maneuverability exhibits provided by the petitioners,

1570
02:16:05,480 --> 02:16:12,400
and it shows the turnaround area, and I guess that would be the southeast corner of the new parking lot, that allows full maneuverability.

1571
02:16:12,400 --> 02:16:17,320
It can be difficult to have a parking area like this with just one point of ingress and egress.

1572
02:16:17,520 --> 02:16:20,060
And so this turnaround area was an important addition.

1573
02:16:20,820 --> 02:16:24,320
Right in front of the school, you'll see outlined a dedicated loading area.

1574
02:16:24,660 --> 02:16:24,960
Our zoning.

1575
02:16:25,560 --> 02:16:25,880
Yes, sir.

1576
02:16:25,880 --> 02:16:26,420
I can move on.

1577
02:16:26,580 --> 02:16:28,260
Could this explain how that works?

1578
02:16:28,420 --> 02:16:30,720
Because I wanted to go as an eye to not understand it.

1579
02:16:30,740 --> 02:16:31,980
I want to understand it.

1580
02:16:31,980 --> 02:16:36,320
And so picture a car driving on the correct side of this lane.

1581
02:16:36,960 --> 02:16:40,200
And so the vehicle will be on the right side of the lane.

1582
02:16:40,200 --> 02:16:45,180
Groundling southbound will can park here to, you know, undertake any pickup and drop off activities,

1583
02:16:45,800 --> 02:16:52,400
but then it will pull place forward into this turnaround area facing east, back out here,

1584
02:16:52,600 --> 02:16:56,260
into this, uh, back out, you know, this area, there's no parking allowed here.

1585
02:16:56,500 --> 02:17:01,040
This is just, you know, an access area and then exit northbound and taking the right

1586
02:17:01,040 --> 02:17:04,980
into the roundabout. So there's no turn around, they have to air, so you go to the right

1587
02:17:06,360 --> 02:17:10,040
And that's if you're engaging in this property, if you don't want to

1588
02:17:10,040 --> 02:17:12,280
have these parking spaces, I don't want to have the wrong amount of

1589
02:17:12,280 --> 02:17:17,840
service as around about. And that's exactly what a fire truck will do.

1590
02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:23,400
It's within an allowable distance for hoses and EMS access that an

1591
02:17:23,400 --> 02:17:27,000
emergency vehicle doesn't have to travel down this parking lot.

1592
02:17:27,360 --> 02:17:32,100
It can just utilize the roundabout itself and not because they don't like

1593
02:17:32,100 --> 02:17:36,420
and three point turns fire department representative told me we don't back up our trucks

1594
02:17:36,420 --> 02:17:41,240
that's just not you know that's not ideal so what are those vehicles what are they meant to

1595
02:17:41,240 --> 02:17:46,740
represent that's a so the single occupancy vehicle right there that's just a 19 foot standard

1596
02:17:46,740 --> 02:17:53,520
you know are late car so is the parking lot meet our code is it right side yes it does okay

1597
02:17:54,940 --> 02:18:01,420
yep and by that commissioner rhinestone it is the vice chair rhinestone the aisle width is 24 and

1598
02:18:02,100 --> 02:18:05,080
for a 90 degree, you know, 2A 90 degree traffic.

1599
02:18:05,420 --> 02:18:08,760
The parking stalls themselves, all meet the required specs.

1600
02:18:09,200 --> 02:18:12,400
As I mentioned, the staff report, the one thing we're going to work with the applicants to confirm

1601
02:18:12,400 --> 02:18:17,000
is that handicapped or accessible stalls have this access aisle

1602
02:18:17,000 --> 02:18:21,340
and the access aisle themselves have very specific specifications.

1603
02:18:22,140 --> 02:18:24,240
And so we'll need to make sure that those measurements are satisfied.

1604
02:18:24,240 --> 02:18:31,040
Does the traffic or the parking counts reflect the expansion?

1605
02:18:32,080 --> 02:18:32,140
Yes.

1606
02:18:33,320 --> 02:18:39,500
The expansion is not going to represent and increase in or we can't represent and yes it does.

1607
02:18:41,080 --> 02:18:41,700
The charter answer.

1608
02:18:42,600 --> 02:18:43,000
They have to stand.

1609
02:18:43,860 --> 02:18:44,240
They're not.

1610
02:18:45,200 --> 02:18:45,980
It also does.

1611
02:18:46,160 --> 02:18:50,920
In fact, the all the site planning has gone into the expansion being in there.

1612
02:18:51,020 --> 02:18:54,140
And that's a stormwater drainage and the parking is for full buildout.

1613
02:18:55,820 --> 02:19:00,400
Here's a helpful graphic to demonstrate how the parking is going to be accommodated.

1614
02:19:01,680 --> 02:19:09,040
The parking requirements in the zoning code require 30 spaces for this land use based on its size and scale.

1615
02:19:09,980 --> 02:19:16,040
And there is room for 21 of those on site and 9 will be off site on the Westridge property.

1616
02:19:16,520 --> 02:19:23,620
This is allowed by code. It's referred to as off site parking, and the code allows it, but boy, it has to be documented.

1617
02:19:23,620 --> 02:19:33,200
Not only must there be a lease on file with the city, but a covenant is recorded against the property, saying that these nine spaces must always be available and must be maintained.

1618
02:19:33,840 --> 02:19:39,580
So there's a lot of documentation that goes into that, and that serves a good purpose, and it's a very thorough.

1619
02:19:39,760 --> 02:19:51,620
And so again, these document, this documentation will need to be part of the city council's consideration about for the special use permit when they take it up in the future.

1620
02:19:51,620 --> 02:19:55,940
So, this, again, identifies where the off-site parking is located on the Westridge property.

1621
02:19:58,070 --> 02:20:03,830
The traffic impact analysis is a pretty standard portion or element of a review of this nature.

1622
02:20:04,410 --> 02:20:13,210
So, KLOA is a very well known Chicago traffic engineering firm, and they provided a traffic impact analysis for this project.

1623
02:20:13,590 --> 02:20:22,070
Some of the findings there are summarized here, paraphrased, but you get the idea that they didn't identify any major conflicts with how this is proposed.

1624
02:20:23,310 --> 02:20:27,430
are staffed at the City of Highland Park is very well qualified, but we don't have traffic

1625
02:20:27,430 --> 02:20:28,030
experts.

1626
02:20:29,110 --> 02:20:35,910
And so we send these traffic engineering products, analyses, out for a third party, subjective

1627
02:20:35,910 --> 02:20:39,590
review with a consultant in Chicago that the City contracts with yearly.

1628
02:20:41,070 --> 02:20:45,450
And that finding, or the report rather from this third party analysis, concurred with these

1629
02:20:45,450 --> 02:20:51,650
main findings, concurred with the modeling and the assumptions made, and offered several recommendations

1630
02:20:51,650 --> 02:20:56,870
for improvements to the site and so let me go back one.

1631
02:20:57,630 --> 02:21:03,830
And so the applicants took those recommendations and implemented many of them into their project right now.

1632
02:21:04,070 --> 02:21:09,970
You noticed an exhibit that shows signage and striping for the roundabout to help with navigability, maneuverability.

1633
02:21:10,970 --> 02:21:15,990
And so that and a number of other recommendations from this third party review were implemented in the site.

1634
02:21:15,990 --> 02:21:22,330
Store water management. As you saw in that aerial photograph, this site is grass. And the

1635
02:21:22,330 --> 02:21:26,290
introduction of built structure and impervious surface is going to impact storm

1636
02:21:26,290 --> 02:21:31,790
water runoff. So to address that issue, the applicants and their civil engineer are

1637
02:21:31,790 --> 02:21:37,910
proposing a drain at storm water detention pond on a north side of this property. One

1638
02:21:37,910 --> 02:21:42,370
of the plans with this, one of the preliminary engineering plans in the commission's

1639
02:21:42,370 --> 02:21:48,290
it identifies a certain amount of capacity in this pond, but there's important missing information.

1640
02:21:48,610 --> 02:21:50,610
Is that enough capacity to address the runoff?

1641
02:21:50,950 --> 02:21:54,930
So there are important calculations that are still need to be addressed, and the applicants

1642
02:21:54,930 --> 02:21:56,270
will be providing that.

1643
02:21:56,570 --> 02:21:57,530
They need to.

1644
02:21:57,770 --> 02:22:02,850
So not only can the commission require that or include as a condition in a motion to provide

1645
02:22:02,850 --> 02:22:07,910
a complete storm-order drainage information, but it will be required to look at that bottom

1646
02:22:07,910 --> 02:22:14,090
bottom bullet point, that all drainage and grading plans have to be approved before any permits

1647
02:22:14,090 --> 02:22:15,610
can be issued for construction on the property.

1648
02:22:17,370 --> 02:22:21,930
So the Highland Parks Engineering Division reviewed this, of course, reviewed these preliminary

1649
02:22:21,930 --> 02:22:27,190
plans, and their first comment was calculations that required to show that what you're proposing

1650
02:22:27,190 --> 02:22:28,290
is going to do the job.

1651
02:22:29,050 --> 02:22:32,950
So the applicant and their civil engineering team are working on those and will be providing

1652
02:22:32,950 --> 02:22:33,750
those.

1653
02:22:34,650 --> 02:22:40,330
Let's talk landscaping, landscaping, screening and beautification are a big role, have a

1654
02:22:40,330 --> 02:22:44,450
big impact in how this site newly developed site will present itself to the neighborhood

1655
02:22:44,450 --> 02:22:46,570
and how will impact neighboring properties.

1656
02:22:47,390 --> 02:22:52,090
So there are five elements that are going on on the site that will trigger the need for landscaping

1657
02:22:52,090 --> 02:22:54,350
and screening improvements that are listed there.

1658
02:22:54,810 --> 02:22:59,370
And so to show how the applicants are addressing those, a landscaping plan was submitted.

1659
02:22:59,370 --> 02:23:03,770
certainly was included with your packet, hopefully in a chance to look at it.

1660
02:23:04,310 --> 02:23:12,030
Some of the key elements here, I'll share with the commission, are the 10-foot buffer around the landscape open area, around the detention pond,

1661
02:23:12,450 --> 02:23:16,750
so that is certainly included foundation plantings around the base of the building.

1662
02:23:16,830 --> 02:23:20,350
We've seen this in all new construction in Highland Park, so nothing new there.

1663
02:23:20,710 --> 02:23:25,270
It can be interrupted for doors, obviously garage doors, may architectural features,

1664
02:23:25,270 --> 02:23:30,490
And that's really what the applicants have done here provided it, but given it breaks where it needs it.

1665
02:23:31,270 --> 02:23:34,910
There's a ground sign that requires some plantings around its base.

1666
02:23:35,510 --> 02:23:41,110
And then there are plantings required in the new vehicular use area or the parking lot.

1667
02:23:41,770 --> 02:23:46,190
Not only interior plantings in larger lots but also perimeter buffering.

1668
02:23:46,310 --> 02:23:49,330
That's a landscape open space around the border of it.

1669
02:23:49,630 --> 02:23:53,530
And since this is a new vehicular use area in a residential zone,

1670
02:23:53,530 --> 02:23:58,930
offenses required around the relevant property lines.

1671
02:23:59,630 --> 02:24:02,150
So given the nature of the development,

1672
02:24:02,630 --> 02:24:05,170
the scale of it, and the three acre size of the property,

1673
02:24:05,750 --> 02:24:08,150
the applicants are requesting some important variations

1674
02:24:08,150 --> 02:24:09,390
to article 22.

1675
02:24:10,310 --> 02:24:12,470
So it's important we just hit on these.

1676
02:24:12,690 --> 02:24:16,130
The quantities are measured by the length of a lot lines.

1677
02:24:16,350 --> 02:24:17,890
And as you saw, there are significantly

1678
02:24:17,890 --> 02:24:22,370
long lot lines here that they could potentially trigger buffering

1679
02:24:22,370 --> 02:24:24,270
or trigger the need for landscape buffering.

1680
02:24:24,570 --> 02:24:29,170
And so you'll see here that they're proposing slightly fewer quantities

1681
02:24:29,170 --> 02:24:31,550
and allowed by code than required by code.

1682
02:24:32,250 --> 02:24:36,310
Number two there, the location of buffering around the hicketer U-seria.

1683
02:24:36,830 --> 02:24:39,730
You saw that the hicketer U-seria crosses the property line.

1684
02:24:40,350 --> 02:24:43,230
So it doesn't make sense, obviously, to buffer it along that property line

1685
02:24:43,230 --> 02:24:44,350
because that would obstruct traffic.

1686
02:24:44,930 --> 02:24:47,850
So for that, in other reasons, the applicants

1687
02:24:47,850 --> 02:24:49,870
explain in great detail in the project narrative,

1688
02:24:49,870 --> 02:25:00,870
They're requesting relief to wear the open space perimeter landscaping is going and then the requesting relief to the requirement to provide a solid fence or wall along a lot lines adjacent to a residential district.

1689
02:25:01,390 --> 02:25:06,130
As you saw in that zoning map, there's residential residential districts all around this property.

1690
02:25:06,970 --> 02:25:15,310
So the request is to not be required to install a fence around all the perimeter and have relief from that requirement.

1691
02:25:16,130 --> 02:25:20,650
Like all variations in the city code or in the zoning code, there are standards that need to be addressed.

1692
02:25:20,990 --> 02:25:21,390
Here they are.

1693
02:25:21,510 --> 02:25:31,010
The applicants do a good job explaining how these are addressed in their right up and the commission can use these standards as a basis to evaluate the version of West.

1694
02:25:32,170 --> 02:25:35,270
A couple closing slides here on the new construction itself.

1695
02:25:35,510 --> 02:25:42,630
Highland Park has a whole chapter of the city code dedicated to design review and that includes standards specific to new construction.

1696
02:25:42,630 --> 02:25:45,350
I reference those in detail in the staff report.

1697
02:25:45,450 --> 02:25:48,270
The applicants have also addressed them in a narrative.

1698
02:25:49,270 --> 02:25:54,930
This is a fairly unique element of, well, a style of architecture or construction that's

1699
02:25:54,930 --> 02:25:59,570
not well represented in Highland Park, it's a modular construction, built largely off-site,

1700
02:25:59,750 --> 02:26:02,110
trucked to the property, and then built on the property.

1701
02:26:02,950 --> 02:26:06,650
As I mentioned, the building is about 58 square hundred square feet.

1702
02:26:06,930 --> 02:26:10,170
Their idea is to approve a possible expansion in the future.

1703
02:26:10,730 --> 02:26:25,390
One thing you'll notice, there are no rooftop units, all the HVAC and air conditioning units are window-based and are screened with a special screening system that's described in detail in the application on the sides of the building.

1704
02:26:26,150 --> 02:26:37,850
Just kind of a few notes about here on what's going to go on it, what's composed. There are four plans in the application materials, but for the benefit of the public and that maybe viewing this, there's four classrooms in there, a kitchenette.

1705
02:26:37,850 --> 02:26:42,890
There is a vestibule that's an important security feature that the police requested

1706
02:26:42,890 --> 02:26:46,510
A vestibule to carefully regulate who can gain ingress into the building

1707
02:26:46,510 --> 02:26:52,830
And then the applicants provided the closing sentence there on the bullet point in reference to the color

1708
02:26:52,830 --> 02:26:55,470
It kind of the color palette for the building

1709
02:26:57,880 --> 02:27:03,780
There are site lights proposed here not only in the parking lot, but bothers along the walkway

1710
02:27:03,780 --> 02:27:07,600
And wallpacks to illuminate important parts of the building

1711
02:27:07,600 --> 02:27:12,160
uh... the uh... lighting and this is the photometric plan measures put candles and brightness

1712
02:27:12,160 --> 02:27:13,560
and there were a number of conflicts

1713
02:27:13,560 --> 02:27:17,440
in this uh... proposal with the city co-a with the zoning code the lighting standards

1714
02:27:17,440 --> 02:27:18,620
so the applicants have indicated

1715
02:27:18,620 --> 02:27:22,980
that they will be revising the lighting plan because they will not be requesting any

1716
02:27:22,980 --> 02:27:24,680
zoning relief related to lighting

1717
02:27:24,680 --> 02:27:28,320
so uh... i would ask the commission to include also a condition

1718
02:27:28,320 --> 02:27:31,000
of approval with any motion that maybe made this evening

1719
02:27:31,000 --> 02:27:34,540
that they're requiring the applicants to submit a conforming light plan

1720
02:27:34,540 --> 02:27:36,900
and uh... and we'll move forward from there

1721
02:27:39,020 --> 02:27:43,420
There, just in closing here, again, this is a special use consideration.

1722
02:27:43,720 --> 02:27:45,580
It's not a PUD, it's not a rezoning.

1723
02:27:45,720 --> 02:27:48,460
These are certainly things we've seen with a number of petitions that have come before

1724
02:27:48,460 --> 02:27:49,140
the Commission lately.

1725
02:27:49,480 --> 02:27:53,140
This is just a special use consideration, and there are a set of standards identified in the

1726
02:27:53,140 --> 02:28:00,820
staff report in Article 14 to the code, that address some of the issues that can arise.

1727
02:28:01,200 --> 02:28:06,540
These are the standards are more broad, but they can be really interpreted to be very specific

1728
02:28:06,540 --> 02:28:12,100
four land uses and so the findings of fact that will be considered by the commission will reference

1729
02:28:12,100 --> 02:28:16,660
these standards. I certainly won't go through them individually unless it's interest in the

1730
02:28:16,660 --> 02:28:21,980
part of the commission to see them in more detail. So with that, I'll close my recommendation and

1731
02:28:21,980 --> 02:28:27,440
that's to open the public hearing to public testimony. The applicants will also have a presentation

1732
02:28:27,440 --> 02:28:33,500
I think they'd like to share and then staff further recommends if it's appropriate to direct

1733
02:28:33,500 --> 02:28:38,840
to have to draft findings the fact this evening, and then those could be brought back to a subsequent meeting

1734
02:28:38,840 --> 02:28:42,080
for approval by the plan to design commission.

1735
02:28:42,700 --> 02:28:48,500
Note the two conditions there that I referenced here in my comments this evening, relating to the engineering drawings and landscaping.

1736
02:28:49,560 --> 02:28:50,980
So with that, I'll close my comments.

1737
02:28:51,080 --> 02:28:52,300
I'm happy to answer any questions.

1738
02:28:52,460 --> 02:28:56,420
Otherwise, the applicants I know have some comments prepared and are eager to address the commission.

1739
02:28:57,420 --> 02:28:57,980
Thank you.

1740
02:28:58,080 --> 02:28:59,560
Any questions for plan across?

1741
02:29:00,920 --> 02:29:01,480
Thank you.

1742
02:29:01,480 --> 02:29:01,800
Okay,

1743
02:29:05,130 --> 02:29:05,730
good evening.

1744
02:29:06,090 --> 02:29:11,430
I'm David Meek and I'm here to talk about the other end of the life spectrum, everybody who's

1745
02:29:11,430 --> 02:29:13,630
you're going to have testified for the applicant for yes.

1746
02:29:13,630 --> 02:29:14,410
I need to swear everybody.

1747
02:29:14,590 --> 02:29:14,950
Excellent.

1748
02:29:15,670 --> 02:29:15,750
All right.

1749
02:29:15,950 --> 02:29:18,930
We have our email folks, our consultants,

1750
02:29:20,970 --> 02:29:22,690
Joe, I don't think you can see them.

1751
02:29:22,870 --> 02:29:23,950
You want Lisa?

1752
02:29:25,310 --> 02:29:25,450
Yeah.

1753
02:29:25,850 --> 02:29:25,990
Okay.

1754
02:29:26,610 --> 02:29:26,870
All right.

1755
02:29:27,430 --> 02:29:27,430
All

1756
02:29:32,970 --> 02:29:33,410
right.

1757
02:29:33,450 --> 02:29:34,870
You raise your right hand please.

1758
02:29:35,510 --> 02:29:38,470
You swear the testimony you'll give for you tonight will be the truth, the whole truth,

1759
02:29:38,470 --> 02:29:43,670
nothing about the truth. Thank you. And when each person speaks, they get

1760
02:29:43,670 --> 02:29:48,550
else asked you to just stay your name and address for the right thing. And just to be

1761
02:29:48,550 --> 02:29:51,750
clear, we're not necessarily going to speak role here available. No, that's why I

1762
02:29:51,750 --> 02:29:56,510
should see that. We'll try to move this along. And Andy, thanks very much for your

1763
02:29:56,510 --> 02:29:59,050
summation of the issues. And I will.

1764
02:30:00,050 --> 02:30:05,090
Thanks. We have our own presentation we'd like to go through.

1765
02:30:07,270 --> 02:30:26,190
You've seen everybody who's here. We have our architect. We have Lisa Edelman, is the executive director, Zack Waiklin, is one of our board members, and he'll be speaking with me, our architect Maria Seagull, traffic consultant, Louis Abuna from Kalaway, John Mundi, has provided value impact, statement, and terror jankens as our landscape architect.

1766
02:30:26,190 --> 02:30:30,390
So, we've been working on this site for some time now.

1767
02:30:30,590 --> 02:30:41,770
Actually, I would like to give you a brief little background on how we got to this and how we chose this site and then I'll work you through some of the site design considerations and other aspects.

1768
02:30:42,250 --> 02:30:46,390
Touch guns and other things that Andy did and a few other details we'd like to add.

1769
02:30:46,830 --> 02:30:47,390
Does that?

1770
02:30:52,010 --> 02:30:52,810
Is that a quickman?

1771
02:30:53,690 --> 02:30:54,970
What else can I tell you?

1772
02:30:55,610 --> 02:30:55,970
Address.

1773
02:30:55,970 --> 02:30:58,830
19 hundred Beverly plays here in Island Park.

1774
02:31:02,700 --> 02:31:05,320
Community to present this proposed development tonight.

1775
02:31:06,000 --> 02:31:07,660
So we're going to talk about these peak community.

1776
02:31:08,520 --> 02:31:11,000
How in park community nursery school and daycare center.

1777
02:31:11,480 --> 02:31:13,720
This is on particularly education.

1778
02:31:16,020 --> 02:31:16,500
Work education.

1779
02:31:17,420 --> 02:31:22,560
Publicity on 1851, here in Island Park, right on Laurel Street in a single family home,

1780
02:31:22,720 --> 02:31:25,900
that eventually became part of the library expansion.

1781
02:31:26,480 --> 02:31:30,780
And so we moved to the Carter Center with the Park District in 1966.

1782
02:31:31,860 --> 02:31:33,260
We've been there ever since.

1783
02:31:33,620 --> 02:31:36,400
And now it's time to make a move to a third location.

1784
02:31:37,220 --> 02:31:39,800
We still have two to five years old.

1785
02:31:40,320 --> 02:31:44,400
We provide full day care from 7.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m.

1786
02:31:44,480 --> 02:31:50,260
year round primarily for working families that need that full day care.

1787
02:31:50,260 --> 02:31:56,460
Well, also the only program in the area that has a state contract to provide preschool for

1788
02:31:57,660 --> 02:31:58,380
all

1789
02:31:58,380 --> 02:32:00,760
data services.

1790
02:32:01,040 --> 02:32:05,840
This is a program that provides state funding for low and moderate income students

1791
02:32:05,840 --> 02:32:09,980
so that we can subsidize their care at HP community.

1792
02:32:10,100 --> 02:32:16,260
We also supplement that with additional scholarship dollars so that we can serve those

1793
02:32:16,260 --> 02:32:25,340
You know, those members of our community that may be vulnerable and may just need that little bit of a leg up at any point in time.

1794
02:32:26,220 --> 02:32:33,320
So we're going to grateful for this opportunity to present the project at the District 112 on property at 640 Ridge Road.

1795
02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:41,280
The process up until now has been the process of looking for a place to move has been quite challenging.

1796
02:32:41,280 --> 02:32:53,300
And as we look for somewhere that meets all of the DCFS early childhood center requirements, the early childhood fire code, and then looking at existing facilities in Highland Park,

1797
02:32:53,580 --> 02:33:00,260
that would be able to meet that, that may be the upgraded to that, the least terms that may be available there.

1798
02:33:00,540 --> 02:33:10,740
All these factors played together to lead us to talking with the school district about this open parcel of land and putting in a new construction building.

1799
02:33:10,740 --> 02:33:14,760
So, we look forward to presenting the rest of the project, and I'll have back to David.

1800
02:33:18,820 --> 02:33:19,560
Thanks, Zach.

1801
02:33:20,260 --> 02:33:22,980
What we're looking for is a project that is

1802
02:33:24,480 --> 02:33:25,820
Subdationally compliant with any code.

1803
02:33:25,920 --> 02:33:29,020
It's in fact the only thing we're asking for really from our some landscape

1804
02:33:29,020 --> 02:33:33,100
various, which I think are driven by just the kind of site we're working in,

1805
02:33:33,380 --> 02:33:35,900
the kind of community adjacent to a public park.

1806
02:33:36,820 --> 02:33:41,140
And so those landscape design features, which we'll talk about in a little more detail,

1807
02:33:41,140 --> 02:33:43,420
are necessitated by that context.

1808
02:33:44,100 --> 02:33:46,400
Good picture of the school district owns this site,

1809
02:33:47,120 --> 02:33:51,080
and it is zoned in the R4 where elementary and high schools

1810
02:33:51,080 --> 02:33:53,080
are permitted uses, child care facilities,

1811
02:33:53,500 --> 02:33:56,180
are conditional uses, especially use review process.

1812
02:33:57,100 --> 02:33:59,640
And the school has made a determination

1813
02:33:59,640 --> 02:34:03,120
that it would be within the mission

1814
02:34:03,120 --> 02:34:07,400
of providing educational services in the city

1815
02:34:07,400 --> 02:34:11,480
to have use like ours located in this location.

1816
02:34:12,120 --> 02:34:15,780
The one condition that they made on us as the landlord

1817
02:34:15,780 --> 02:34:19,220
was that we not provide access off of Red Oak Lane

1818
02:34:19,220 --> 02:34:22,320
and that we had to figure out access through a Westridge Park.

1819
02:34:23,540 --> 02:34:26,100
We started this project in collaboration with the Park District

1820
02:34:26,100 --> 02:34:28,420
and have been meeting with the Park District

1821
02:34:29,020 --> 02:34:33,760
since they actually suggested we take a look at this site.

1822
02:34:34,220 --> 02:34:35,680
We had been looking at a different site.

1823
02:34:35,680 --> 02:34:43,260
We look at this site and so we have had a number of meetings with Park District and our satisfying

1824
02:34:43,260 --> 02:34:47,860
ourselves and there's satisfying themselves that we can provide access through their

1825
02:34:47,860 --> 02:34:54,680
staff only parking area and do it in a way that meets the needs of their operations, meets

1826
02:34:54,680 --> 02:35:01,360
the needs of our operations, fire and safety as well and our operations, I mean staff and

1827
02:35:01,360 --> 02:35:06,440
also mean our families who are coming and we'll describe in a little bit more detail how we

1828
02:35:06,440 --> 02:35:14,140
function so you get a sense of the hat as a part of this project. Our site design, let's

1829
02:35:14,140 --> 02:35:14,720
see, I don't know.

1830
02:35:18,920 --> 02:35:22,760
Okay, there we go. So there's the site in its context and the residential

1831
02:35:22,760 --> 02:35:27,620
neighborhood and as a part of the open public parks and school district, if you will, campus

1832
02:35:27,620 --> 02:35:32,540
area. And here are a few images of the existing facility looking to east at the West Ridge

1833
02:35:32,540 --> 02:35:34,580
Center, which is an old school building,

1834
02:35:36,600 --> 02:35:39,760
looking to from the site to the north to the

1835
02:35:39,760 --> 02:35:45,460
residences. That's red oak lane. There are two residences, which are but this property

1836
02:35:45,460 --> 02:35:53,760
inter-separated by existing trees and shrubs and other foliage. And then this is from the center

1837
02:35:53,760 --> 02:36:01,680
site looking to the south and east at Westridge and the open space park. This is an overlay

1838
02:36:01,680 --> 02:36:08,860
of what we're proposing in the context of the existing park. We're a 2.8 acre component of

1839
02:36:08,860 --> 02:36:13,940
this area that I think to the public is always felt like part of Westridge Center, Westridge Park.

1840
02:36:15,600 --> 02:36:20,000
This is a facility that the park district has been allowed to use by the school district.

1841
02:36:23,740 --> 02:36:23,740
As

1842
02:36:23,740 --> 02:36:27,300
which are integrated into what appear to be public works.

1843
02:36:27,900 --> 02:36:30,920
There are mainly over nine nearly ten acres of space,

1844
02:36:31,560 --> 02:36:35,080
not including the Westridge Center office and educational services building,

1845
02:36:35,140 --> 02:36:40,080
but everything south is, it remains for open activities.

1846
02:36:40,720 --> 02:36:46,120
And currently this site is used principally for table activities,

1847
02:36:46,140 --> 02:36:49,960
which the park district is indicated they can readily find a new location for.

1848
02:36:49,960 --> 02:37:01,240
So programmatically, they're accepting of the loss of this space for their programming because it's really an underutilized,

1849
02:37:01,400 --> 02:37:08,020
not very well utilized, parcel for them, in part because of the topography and it's kind of a wet field.

1850
02:37:08,340 --> 02:37:12,240
So it's kind of very limited window opportunity for them.

1851
02:37:12,320 --> 02:37:17,080
But as you can see from this, and we'll go in a little closer to tail, there's a lighter gray area,

1852
02:37:17,080 --> 02:37:21,820
which is the existing parking lot, and we'll show how traffic goes around there.

1853
02:37:22,420 --> 02:37:28,040
We're adding, as compactly parking area as possible, to the east side.

1854
02:37:28,160 --> 02:37:36,460
One of our design principles was to minimize, as much as we could, the impact on open space,

1855
02:37:36,740 --> 02:37:41,640
to allow for viewsheds, to allow for still open activity areas, but there were some parameters

1856
02:37:41,640 --> 02:37:42,640
we had to have a building.

1857
02:37:42,680 --> 02:37:44,040
We had to have some on-site parking.

1858
02:37:44,040 --> 02:37:55,040
We also had to provide storm water management facility on our site, who designed everything as best we could in that respect storm water management is on the north side due to the existing topography.

1859
02:37:56,060 --> 02:38:09,140
When a clarification, it is a dry bottom detention basin. It is not pond. It's not standing water. This collects whole water as slow release into the existing storm sewer system. So this is not a standing pond. It will look and we have images.

1860
02:38:09,140 --> 02:38:14,060
but it will be natural landscaping grasses, wildflowers, et cetera.

1861
02:38:14,280 --> 02:38:15,760
It's not going to be upon.

1862
02:38:18,620 --> 02:38:24,040
So again, minimal variations from landscaping.

1863
02:38:25,180 --> 02:38:29,860
And so I'd like to talk a little bit about the site plan.

1864
02:38:31,260 --> 02:38:34,340
Okay, that's, again, that's the property boundaries.

1865
02:38:34,920 --> 02:38:37,040
And so you can see what parts are on,

1866
02:38:37,040 --> 02:38:39,680
our property what parts are on the part district.

1867
02:38:40,560 --> 02:38:42,420
And this is the site plan.

1868
02:38:43,300 --> 02:38:48,720
So again, we have all of our utilities are coming

1869
02:38:48,720 --> 02:38:51,940
onto the site underground as required by code.

1870
02:38:52,520 --> 02:38:55,440
We have the building, 1500 square feet,

1871
02:38:56,140 --> 02:38:59,980
to the west side here, what we want to have

1872
02:38:59,980 --> 02:39:02,240
as a part of the special use, the concept of a phase

1873
02:39:02,240 --> 02:39:02,920
to expansion.

1874
02:39:03,200 --> 02:39:05,200
We understand we have to come back for design review

1875
02:39:05,200 --> 02:39:13,880
for any addition to the building. We also have an outdoor play area and closed. This is going to be

1876
02:39:13,880 --> 02:39:21,420
you know major part of our programming forces extent the weather will allow outdoor play. It will be a

1877
02:39:21,420 --> 02:39:25,520
fast-in area activity area. It will show in our landscape plans with the details there.

1878
02:39:26,600 --> 02:39:31,840
Is there a cover of the south boundary line? No, in fact the south boundary line is at the bottom

1879
02:39:31,840 --> 02:39:39,460
the screen here, this line here is a setback, so we're within the setback, the fence area

1880
02:39:39,460 --> 02:39:46,160
crosses a setback, but that's permissible. We have very generous setbacks. We have

1881
02:39:46,160 --> 02:39:50,560
dimensioned and I narrated in our application, the setbacks from all of the various sides

1882
02:39:50,560 --> 02:39:55,640
everything is much more generous than is required by the code.

1883
02:39:57,680 --> 02:39:59,620
We're a very slow use on a very

1884
02:39:59,620 --> 02:40:06,740
large piece of property, rough estimate is that a permitted use could have up to 19,000 square

1885
02:40:06,740 --> 02:40:11,320
feet of development on this site. You could probably have five or six homes on this site.

1886
02:40:12,840 --> 02:40:24,200
This is up to 677 square feet. No, it's sorry, 8700 square feet. It's no longer than we'd originally proposed.

1887
02:40:25,640 --> 02:40:30,400
It's probably for a variety of reasons, but we won't get into that.

1888
02:40:30,620 --> 02:40:38,460
So we've got a design model that has been for some access that has been prepared in consultation

1889
02:40:38,460 --> 02:40:40,740
with the Fire Department as Andy mentioned.

1890
02:40:42,420 --> 02:40:47,740
I'd love to actually go back from it and talk about the building and then we'll talk a little

1891
02:40:47,740 --> 02:40:48,620
bit more about the site.

1892
02:40:49,300 --> 02:40:51,880
So Maria, I think you and I will talk about the building.

1893
02:40:53,180 --> 02:40:56,500
We have, let's say, where are the images? Here we go.

1894
02:40:57,720 --> 02:41:07,340
This is your work product. Once you come up and tell us a little bit about what you have presented for us and why you came up with the design.

1895
02:41:14,940 --> 02:41:17,220
You want my address?

1896
02:41:17,600 --> 02:41:18,140
I live in the city.

1897
02:41:18,620 --> 02:41:20,420
2015 less school.

1898
02:41:26,060 --> 02:41:28,460
So this is a modular building.

1899
02:41:29,240 --> 02:41:31,480
And our goals in terms of design,

1900
02:41:33,020 --> 02:41:37,480
it's very long and not very tall.

1901
02:41:38,380 --> 02:41:40,640
So what we wanted to do,

1902
02:41:40,640 --> 02:41:48,360
to use the elements of the design to give it a little more to break up this elongated form.

1903
02:41:49,100 --> 02:41:54,500
The windows, we tried to maximize natural light for the children in the classrooms,

1904
02:41:55,400 --> 02:42:00,700
and there is big as we could afford, and that was a very important part of the design.

1905
02:42:02,280 --> 02:42:08,160
Also the windows go all the way down to the almost to the floor, which is nice for children lying on the floor,

1906
02:42:08,160 --> 02:42:10,760
or, you know, because of their size,

1907
02:42:14,720 --> 02:42:14,880
okay,

1908
02:42:17,200 --> 02:42:20,020
the verticality of the windows also kind of breaks

1909
02:42:20,020 --> 02:42:27,280
up the length of the kind of squat facade, the form of the building, which is a given

1910
02:42:27,280 --> 02:42:30,420
from the modular system that we're working with.

1911
02:42:30,840 --> 02:42:36,640
And then it was brought up before that HVC units are mounted to the wall.

1912
02:42:36,640 --> 02:42:47,640
So we came up with this idea to build these trellis pieces that are colorful on their muted colors, but that also serves to kind of break up

1913
02:42:47,640 --> 02:42:55,180
What is a very simple form of a building and then we use that as well on the front facade. How do I go back?

1914
02:42:56,840 --> 02:42:59,880
That's forward. Okay, there we go.

1915
02:43:00,620 --> 02:43:14,000
So that cellus, which is a allows air through for the wall-mounted HVC units here, as also used

1916
02:43:14,000 --> 02:43:18,320
on the front of the facade, which is appropriate for our early childhood center.

1917
02:43:19,020 --> 02:43:20,880
And that kind of environment.

1918
02:43:24,430 --> 02:43:26,410
We do it, yes, do we want to look at that now?

1919
02:43:27,110 --> 02:43:30,480
We have material samples at some point we want it.

1920
02:43:31,350 --> 02:43:34,250
Can you just walk us through what the materials are on the skin and the building?

1921
02:43:38,620 --> 02:43:41,360
The line of a siding is vinyl siding.

1922
02:43:42,060 --> 02:43:43,860
We're using PVC trim.

1923
02:43:45,460 --> 02:43:51,000
And then the screen is actually fabric cement concrete.

1924
02:43:51,680 --> 02:43:55,580
Bords five quarter by six and eight and ten inch boards.

1925
02:43:55,580 --> 02:44:01,280
which is a very stable material which ever needs to be repainted and these are the colors

1926
02:44:01,280 --> 02:44:03,020
they've been holding up for you.

1927
02:44:07,250 --> 02:44:12,310
The color of the siding is very neutral.

1928
02:44:17,870 --> 02:44:18,870
The accent color

1929
02:44:19,340 --> 02:44:25,070
on all the trims and the panels above the doors are one of the colors.

1930
02:44:26,810 --> 02:44:33,850
Is the trim the accent above the windows and the trim the fiber? No, it's PB's

1931
02:44:33,850 --> 02:44:40,190
see it's another product by the siding company. We're working within a pallet of materials that's

1932
02:44:40,190 --> 02:44:43,230
available through this modular company.

1933
02:44:43,810 --> 02:44:48,170
There are a lot of black guys, so there's no dimension that other than what you read from

1934
02:44:48,170 --> 02:44:49,670
the different colors, is that correct?

1935
02:44:50,890 --> 02:44:56,010
You know, the trims will project a little bit off the siding, and yeah, it's other, yeah.

1936
02:44:56,010 --> 02:44:58,930
And curious about how to make it?

1937
02:44:59,230 --> 02:44:59,970
Yes, except...

1938
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:04,080
Or these trellis, screens, what we're calling them, those project out.

1939
02:45:06,900 --> 02:45:09,960
Those windows across the top, or is that just a different color?

1940
02:45:10,200 --> 02:45:12,340
This is a panel, a decorative panel.

1941
02:45:12,640 --> 02:45:15,880
Yeah, it makes the four more vertical to break up the horizontality.

1942
02:45:17,120 --> 02:45:18,700
And the windows are the operable?

1943
02:45:19,520 --> 02:45:20,020
The air.

1944
02:45:20,600 --> 02:45:23,440
Yeah, not the bottom part, but the upper prize casement.

1945
02:45:25,940 --> 02:45:31,180
So, and I'm going to make it appear to not look like a typical modular building

1946
02:45:31,180 --> 02:45:33,180
is the eve of the roof.

1947
02:45:34,060 --> 02:45:39,420
So, projects out over on the sides, if you see other modulars, there's a more recognizable roof lining.

1948
02:45:39,800 --> 02:45:44,700
This is where we meant to look more like a simple wood, conventionally framed wood structure.

1949
02:45:48,830 --> 02:45:54,110
Modular is a type of construction, but it's a way of doing construction off-site.

1950
02:45:54,490 --> 02:46:02,750
We have a very tight time frame, and so a choice to do modular was to be able to do construction while sight work is going on.

1951
02:46:02,750 --> 02:46:06,130
so that we can have delivery of a building that can then be erected rather quickly.

1952
02:46:06,510 --> 02:46:08,950
It will then be faced as then the other building.

1953
02:46:09,250 --> 02:46:12,410
So it's the internal guts of the building that are built early on.

1954
02:46:12,610 --> 02:46:15,570
So we've got the piping and the conduit and the plumbing.

1955
02:46:15,930 --> 02:46:18,570
Everything sort of interconnects like Lego pieces.

1956
02:46:19,030 --> 02:46:22,690
This gets shipped in segments and assembled on to a foundation

1957
02:46:22,690 --> 02:46:25,750
and it is secured to a foundation like any other building.

1958
02:46:26,210 --> 02:46:29,830
So it meets all building code requirements of the city.

1959
02:46:29,830 --> 02:46:38,510
It's just a prefabrication, which then looks and operates and feels like any other educational building.

1960
02:46:38,570 --> 02:46:42,510
This is not a temporary trailer kind of thing.

1961
02:46:42,510 --> 02:46:49,110
This is not the kind of thing that you would see over a site's school that's going to have

1962
02:46:49,110 --> 02:46:51,970
what ramps leading up to it.

1963
02:46:51,970 --> 02:46:53,670
This is going to be integrated into the landscape.

1964
02:46:53,870 --> 02:46:57,950
It's going to be at grade and you'll see our landscape and treat that.

1965
02:46:57,950 --> 02:47:11,990
Yeah, this is one of the concrete perimeter foundation, you know, with a concrete slab under the crawl space, and the great, like David said, comes right up, so you're not, you're not having all these ramps in.

1966
02:47:14,390 --> 02:47:14,570
Thank

1967
02:47:20,620 --> 02:47:22,160
you.

1968
02:47:22,400 --> 02:47:27,940
We went through, if you're at all interested, these are some of the other perspectives.

1969
02:47:28,560 --> 02:47:33,100
Every image that we have up here is in your, your package, but this is probably for the public benefit.

1970
02:47:33,100 --> 02:47:35,220
You can see the size of the scale of the building.

1971
02:47:35,460 --> 02:47:39,020
This was kind of a walk around and you can see how the trellises project out.

1972
02:47:39,220 --> 02:47:46,380
This is actually an image of a somewhat similar facility in Minnesota by the same modular

1973
02:47:46,380 --> 02:47:48,460
company, innovative modular solutions.

1974
02:47:49,020 --> 02:47:52,060
This is a permanent preschool,

1975
02:47:57,600 --> 02:47:58,920
and this is our floor plan.

1976
02:47:58,920 --> 02:48:02,840
We have four classrooms office space.

1977
02:48:02,900 --> 02:48:06,300
If we do an addition, we're hoping to get an additional,

1978
02:48:06,300 --> 02:48:08,760
I think it's an additional classroom and additional

1979
02:48:08,760 --> 02:48:12,040
office space and storage space, because that's challenging right now

1980
02:48:12,040 --> 02:48:14,280
with these size and the building that we're doing.

1981
02:48:14,480 --> 02:48:15,600
Proposing, oops, I'm going to run away.

1982
02:48:16,980 --> 02:48:17,100
Okay.

1983
02:48:20,640 --> 02:48:25,000
Our design functions are also driven by DCF S licensing requirements.

1984
02:48:25,620 --> 02:48:29,860
In terms of access number, if doors we have to have window placement, et cetera.

1985
02:48:29,860 --> 02:48:36,440
So there's a number of constraints that we had to operate within in terms of designing this building.

1986
02:48:37,760 --> 02:48:39,220
And that's this in circulation.

1987
02:48:41,020 --> 02:48:44,040
So we're going to be, as we said, coming off of Ridge Road.

1988
02:48:44,820 --> 02:48:56,080
Staff, who are working at the Park District, will continue to travel in this fashion in a counterclockwise fashion through the site.

1989
02:48:57,800 --> 02:49:01,020
Our visitors and staff will come around the circle.

1990
02:49:01,840 --> 02:49:03,000
Some of our staff may actually do this,

1991
02:49:03,040 --> 02:49:06,500
because we're going to be nine dedicated staff parking spaces there,

1992
02:49:06,500 --> 02:49:08,260
and that will be by easement, and that will be signed,

1993
02:49:09,420 --> 02:49:11,800
dedicated to staff parking during the week.

1994
02:49:12,220 --> 02:49:15,740
And then our other visitors and staff will come down here.

1995
02:49:15,780 --> 02:49:18,260
Our staff will also park on this side,

1996
02:49:19,100 --> 02:49:24,820
and then the remainder of this will be identified for student drop-off.

1997
02:49:24,820 --> 02:49:26,760
And because of the age of the children coming,

1998
02:49:27,060 --> 02:49:30,860
everybody is coming and being walked in and signed in by their parents.

1999
02:49:33,140 --> 02:49:35,140
And so short, relatively short duration,

2000
02:49:35,520 --> 02:49:36,640
we're also staggered start.

2001
02:49:36,680 --> 02:49:39,000
We don't have a hard start or stop time.

2002
02:49:40,160 --> 02:49:42,840
So we know how our facility operates at the Carter Center,

2003
02:49:42,840 --> 02:49:44,220
we're actually a smaller here.

2004
02:49:44,640 --> 02:49:47,640
So we're very confident that we've got more than adequate space

2005
02:49:47,640 --> 02:49:50,720
for our families coming to the site.

2006
02:49:51,440 --> 02:49:52,640
Well, that was one of my questions.

2007
02:49:52,740 --> 02:49:54,240
We have 30 parking spots.

2008
02:49:54,240 --> 02:49:56,860
how many spaces are going to be used for staff?

2009
02:49:58,120 --> 02:50:00,980
So our staff peak is in the middle of the day

2010
02:50:00,980 --> 02:50:03,180
when we really don't have our students coming and going.

2011
02:50:03,960 --> 02:50:06,040
Our staff peak is also an overlap staff.

2012
02:50:06,560 --> 02:50:08,760
So there's some staff coming, some staff going.

2013
02:50:09,980 --> 02:50:12,760
If we do have to have staff there when the kids are being dropped off.

2014
02:50:13,060 --> 02:50:13,940
Wait, we're all right.

2015
02:50:14,380 --> 02:50:17,120
Our last one is the peak is 21 in the middle of the day.

2016
02:50:17,360 --> 02:50:19,020
And that's on the assumption of a larger building

2017
02:50:19,020 --> 02:50:21,140
that we had had, which was 11,000 square feet.

2018
02:50:21,480 --> 02:50:22,340
So a larger facility somewhere.

2019
02:50:22,340 --> 02:50:25,480
How do you drop off 87 kids?

2020
02:50:25,720 --> 02:50:26,640
So 87 kids?

2021
02:50:26,640 --> 02:50:27,100
It's standard.

2022
02:50:27,360 --> 02:50:28,000
I'm saying that.

2023
02:50:28,260 --> 02:50:33,700
But even if it's 40 at one time and 40 at another, how do you drop off very small children

2024
02:50:33,700 --> 02:50:36,220
and believe in infants like that?

2025
02:50:36,220 --> 02:50:38,860
So we have years of records of scientists.

2026
02:50:39,640 --> 02:50:43,040
How many people are on site and for how long?

2027
02:50:43,280 --> 02:50:44,640
Because a sign in and out.

2028
02:50:45,580 --> 02:50:49,000
We know that a lot of people come, they're siblings,

2029
02:50:49,540 --> 02:50:51,000
and so they come together.

2030
02:50:51,000 --> 02:51:09,840
there's car pooling, and we're very confident that we have 14 or 14 on the west side of our parking lot alone, and we're very confident that would be sufficient for our families,

2031
02:51:10,520 --> 02:51:18,380
given how people come and go from the Carter Center right now, and that's a larger facility larger capacity than we're going to have because that's what we have.

2032
02:51:18,380 --> 02:51:21,280
And that's also a licensed capacity number.

2033
02:51:21,580 --> 02:51:25,260
That's why the maximum we could have capacity for

2034
02:51:25,260 --> 02:51:27,940
in the 87th figure that we have in the application

2035
02:51:28,620 --> 02:51:32,300
is with an expansion edition of classrooms.

2036
02:51:32,880 --> 02:51:35,220
In practically speaking, we're going to have many,

2037
02:51:35,260 --> 02:51:37,140
we're going to have fewer than 87.

2038
02:51:37,380 --> 02:51:39,620
We're probably going to have, at least I can speak to this,

2039
02:51:39,780 --> 02:51:41,740
probably 74 students.

2040
02:51:43,680 --> 02:51:45,660
And again, because we serve working families,

2041
02:51:45,660 --> 02:51:52,660
We have people coming for win the work. We families work. So some people will only work a few days a week. Some people need a five days a week

2042
02:51:52,660 --> 02:51:54,920
So it's a it's a very fluid, flexible

2043
02:51:54,920 --> 02:51:56,160
kind of facility

2044
02:51:56,980 --> 02:52:05,280
We you know, we adjust our programming based on what the community needs and our programming adjustments are occurring in collaboration with the school district as it's changed

2045
02:52:05,280 --> 02:52:06,720
you know, it's wraparound

2046
02:52:06,720 --> 02:52:13,060
provision of of childcare and so we're going a bit younger in the future

2047
02:52:14,500 --> 02:52:21,220
Well-point clarification on site circulation, Andy talked about this little corner area here.

2048
02:52:21,800 --> 02:52:25,820
That's really only for use, that's not everybody's going to use that.

2049
02:52:26,000 --> 02:52:29,260
It's going to operate like a normal parking lot in a parking lot that's needed to be parking.

2050
02:52:29,680 --> 02:52:32,600
You're going to turn around and you're going to pull out of the aisle and go, right, you're

2051
02:52:32,600 --> 02:52:34,560
not going to do this 3.0 turn.

2052
02:52:34,780 --> 02:52:41,880
That's really because for code, it's a single entry parking module, and so that's a 3.0 turn

2053
02:52:41,880 --> 02:52:44,940
In the event that the whole parking lot was full, you couldn't go anywhere to turn around.

2054
02:52:45,220 --> 02:52:49,500
If you go down there, that's where you get your outlets, so you're not backing out into the traffic circle.

2055
02:52:53,030 --> 02:53:00,710
We have exhibits, I could show you if you want, you've got it in your packet, that demonstrate throughout a turn, that the fire department, fire trucks,

2056
02:53:00,750 --> 02:53:09,090
large trucks will circle through the site and they've reviewed, and the fire consultants have reviewed the operation at this site.

2057
02:53:09,090 --> 02:53:11,110
And

2058
02:53:14,020 --> 02:53:24,160
in terms of traffic generation, it's a summary of the investigation and the accounts

2059
02:53:24,160 --> 02:53:31,080
demonstrated that there was absolutely acceptable impacts on the rate road and the intersections

2060
02:53:31,080 --> 02:53:34,260
with this use given the volume.

2061
02:53:38,710 --> 02:53:44,710
loading, I just want to touch on loading, we expect food service deliveries once every two

2062
02:53:44,710 --> 02:53:45,110
weeks.

2063
02:53:45,730 --> 02:53:47,090
So we have a designated loading area.

2064
02:53:47,230 --> 02:53:54,130
We have to have a loading area, and that is in here, these parking spaces, that will

2065
02:53:54,130 --> 02:53:59,950
be designated for loading only prior to 70, I'm prior to when families are showing up.

2066
02:53:59,950 --> 02:54:02,050
And that's where we'll have our loading operations.

2067
02:54:02,050 --> 02:54:10,030
One of the things I do need to raise with you and ask for you under your codes is a consideration of,

2068
02:54:10,030 --> 02:54:16,950
since this is a residential district, this commercial operation with a loading facility would need to be identified

2069
02:54:16,950 --> 02:54:26,850
and called out under your nuisance code as an acceptable operation so that we can call out in the ordinance

2070
02:54:26,850 --> 02:54:38,330
that the, I'm not saying this quite well, it well enough, that the operation of deliveries to this site is not a public nuisance.

2071
02:54:39,230 --> 02:54:48,810
And our operation is once every two weeks one truck coming for up to 30 minutes to unload some food supplies for us.

2072
02:54:53,870 --> 02:54:54,350
landscaping.

2073
02:54:54,350 --> 02:55:00,310
Here are Jenkins. I'd like you to come up please and walk us through your landscaping

2074
02:55:00,310 --> 02:55:05,650
before going the wrong way. Your landscaping plan and talk to us about it.

2075
02:55:05,830 --> 02:55:08,770
This is the site before if you want to see how the site function.

2076
02:55:09,430 --> 02:55:11,190
And here is our lovely landscaping plan.

2077
02:55:14,360 --> 02:55:18,080
10 seconds, eight, nine, seven, just go court and high on park.

2078
02:55:22,400 --> 02:55:22,600
Jenkins.

2079
02:55:23,680 --> 02:55:23,700
Tara.

2080
02:55:25,800 --> 02:55:26,160
The flu.

2081
02:55:27,400 --> 02:55:27,980
Like pitcher.

2082
02:55:28,360 --> 02:55:29,400
I'm going to make this really brief.

2083
02:55:31,400 --> 02:55:35,220
You know, I want to focus on first of all safety for the kids.

2084
02:55:36,100 --> 02:55:37,300
Have, you know, plans here.

2085
02:55:37,440 --> 02:55:38,060
That's not.

2086
02:55:38,140 --> 02:55:40,420
Thorns on them, or at the berries are not poisonous.

2087
02:55:41,920 --> 02:55:45,600
Because, you know, we do want these kids to walk around with, you know, having a field trip

2088
02:55:45,600 --> 02:55:50,660
explore nature and wildlife and have fun with it.

2089
02:55:50,960 --> 02:55:58,220
Second is having mostly all native species to you because it's less maintenance.

2090
02:55:59,300 --> 02:56:02,420
It's, you know, brings in wildlife and birds.

2091
02:56:03,720 --> 02:56:07,980
And also it's creating a natural environment for this area.

2092
02:56:08,180 --> 02:56:12,860
And also along the tension area, having a native buffer zone,

2093
02:56:12,860 --> 02:56:15,200
It seems to be the most fitting.

2094
02:56:16,460 --> 02:56:17,700
The third is discovery.

2095
02:56:18,960 --> 02:56:23,760
I chose these plans to really spark interest in the kids,

2096
02:56:24,500 --> 02:56:28,380
with having fragrant flowers, for the shrubs,

2097
02:56:29,020 --> 02:56:31,320
really beautiful fall colors.

2098
02:56:33,080 --> 02:56:36,840
Also, the two in the front of the building with the facade,

2099
02:56:36,840 --> 02:56:38,860
we talked about.

2100
02:56:39,560 --> 02:56:42,300
We created Column Artaries to kind of break up

2101
02:56:42,300 --> 02:56:50,120
horizontal line of the the building also having the spruces on the corner to soften the building as well

2102
02:56:50,120 --> 02:56:56,880
and we talked about the low windows of the building. So having like service vary and ride

2103
02:56:56,880 --> 02:57:02,020
button close close to the windows the kids can see the you know the birds coming up and picking the

2104
02:57:02,020 --> 02:57:09,180
berries and you know I'm creating interest, creating making this a fun environment and then buffering

2105
02:57:10,780 --> 02:57:18,280
the Jason properties. So on the east side of the parking lot, we had natural dogwoods and

2106
02:57:18,280 --> 02:57:28,180
pre-drops seed, mill maintenance, and native variety. The top portion of the detention areas,

2107
02:57:28,820 --> 02:57:38,020
you know, a variety of birches, dogwoods, diapers that can take, you know, wet feed and

2108
02:57:38,020 --> 02:57:43,020
that thrive in that environment, and also having landscape

2109
02:57:43,020 --> 02:57:48,380
vary around the signage as well, that's it in a nutshell.

2110
02:57:50,860 --> 02:57:54,320
Thank you, and so, right, I got a couple more points to emphasize.

2111
02:57:54,720 --> 02:58:01,580
So we're creating one of our design aesthetic here was to create kind of a variety of

2112
02:58:02,920 --> 02:58:05,260
screenings from the residences to the North.

2113
02:58:05,260 --> 02:58:12,380
There's a house at 655 Fredo can have the 655 Fredo that are directly

2114
02:58:12,380 --> 02:58:13,180
abutting the property.

2115
02:58:13,340 --> 02:58:18,360
There's an existing stand of trees, I keep going on the wrong way, sorry folks.

2116
02:58:19,580 --> 02:58:25,000
Oh, and neither of these are some of the trees and the shrubs that Tara has selected for

2117
02:58:26,080 --> 02:58:26,680
us.

2118
02:58:28,540 --> 02:58:28,920
Sorry.

2119
02:58:29,300 --> 02:58:30,900
A floor of the detention basin?

2120
02:58:31,540 --> 02:58:36,240
It, on the landscape plan, it's not listed as being planted.

2121
02:58:36,440 --> 02:58:42,400
I'm assuming it will be planted, is that with a native plant mix as well.

2122
02:58:44,300 --> 02:58:44,540
So, Dan,

2123
02:58:47,710 --> 02:58:53,370
what was your intent with respect to the basin of the basin?

2124
02:58:54,150 --> 02:58:54,670
Just grass.

2125
02:58:57,050 --> 02:59:03,010
Okay, so we had taken the record that there'd be a 10 foot landscape buffer around.

2126
02:59:04,690 --> 02:59:10,030
A geese did in your thoughts on grass versus the plantings in the area.

2127
02:59:12,890 --> 02:59:23,690
Looking at the plant as well, it appears that the 10 foot buffer starts to normal or the normal water or low water level rather than the high water level.

2128
02:59:23,690 --> 02:59:28,390
And is it the intent for the buffer to start at the high water level?

2129
02:59:29,810 --> 02:59:31,190
Is that the intent of the buffer?

2130
02:59:32,390 --> 02:59:33,810
From a perspective of code?

2131
02:59:36,090 --> 02:59:37,210
But I don't know about that specific.

2132
02:59:37,850 --> 02:59:39,430
It's just supposed to be more of a perimeter,

2133
02:59:40,070 --> 02:59:41,710
which I'm assuming would be out of the water.

2134
02:59:43,550 --> 02:59:44,430
Well, it's

2135
02:59:47,660 --> 02:59:49,560
typically from the high water level back.

2136
02:59:49,860 --> 02:59:51,480
Yeah, it would be out.

2137
02:59:52,020 --> 02:59:52,360
Right, out.

2138
02:59:54,120 --> 02:59:59,960
Because right now it looks like it just covers the area between the high water level and the normal water

2139
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:03,300
Their level at the no water level, in this case.

2140
03:00:05,500 --> 03:00:13,940
So, yes, as the answer to, it should be on the outside of the basin.

2141
03:00:14,640 --> 03:00:24,000
Okay. The ten foot buffer. We throw the impacts of that, but I think we don't.

2142
03:00:24,720 --> 03:00:45,700
What we're not trying to be to cheat anything on this, we're trying to understand the functions well and that we'll maintain itself well and that we'll interfere with the operation that we're adding drainage operations to the extent that native findings might interfere, because dancing justing that the basin be grass, at least the low parts.

2143
03:00:45,700 --> 03:00:52,560
Yeah, I know that there's mixes, mostly craft, that put in prenails,

2144
03:00:54,580 --> 03:00:56,900
and the sedges, and those other

2145
03:00:56,900 --> 03:01:02,780
material that work well on the bottom of the tension basins, and that the sedmix is really

2146
03:01:02,780 --> 03:01:11,820
pretty good, and just chose the appropriate sedmix for the base and it'd be nice if it were

2147
03:01:11,820 --> 03:01:21,600
Parmator, you know, kind of directed toward the pollinators, but that's a little tougher because the tension basins are kind of the toughest places that we

2148
03:01:21,900 --> 03:01:22,760
Think in

2149
03:01:23,580 --> 03:01:29,860
Another thing that you should be careful with is sometimes in those mixes that they do have

2150
03:01:29,860 --> 03:01:33,060
Sades that are not children friendly

2151
03:01:33,800 --> 03:01:38,820
So just be careful as you review those seed mix, right?

2152
03:01:39,780 --> 03:01:43,700
What's the buffer, the buffer should go all the way to the property line, and that leave

2153
03:01:43,700 --> 03:01:52,260
that little sliver of turf between the buffer and property line to the north to the north?

2154
03:01:52,680 --> 03:01:54,920
Okay, so the, the,

2155
03:01:56,960 --> 03:02:00,440
the, the, there's just a little, there's just a little, there's just a little,

2156
03:02:01,820 --> 03:02:04,540
there's just a little curve hatch should go all the way to the property line.

2157
03:02:05,040 --> 03:02:10,280
Okay, I mean, that, right, that area is, is basically what it across the property line as it

2158
03:02:10,280 --> 03:02:20,400
is, but we'll be stafing the property line and a couple other comments with the two areas

2159
03:02:20,400 --> 03:02:26,540
to the north of the building. You've got two little semi-circle. At least one of those needs

2160
03:02:26,540 --> 03:02:37,040
to be accessible to me, Title II ADA code, in terms of a payback pathway. In terms of, you

2161
03:02:37,040 --> 03:02:47,120
have to be able to get access to those, to one of those, to meet the code, and then

2162
03:02:47,120 --> 03:02:52,720
what quick real of the area to the south of the building to play area, you need to meet

2163
03:02:52,720 --> 03:02:53,760
CPSC,

2164
03:02:56,570 --> 03:03:01,610
which it, just looking at the, you have the balance beam in there that is right

2165
03:03:01,610 --> 03:03:07,310
up against the fence, and it just doesn't, so, you need to make sure that that happens.

2166
03:03:07,310 --> 03:03:07,770
Okay.

2167
03:03:08,870 --> 03:03:14,390
I'm, um, Lisa, Adam and I are executive directors, I'm sure quite familiar with requirements

2168
03:03:14,390 --> 03:03:15,110
and we'll look into that.

2169
03:03:15,110 --> 03:03:16,950
You and you, you're, we're all of that.

2170
03:03:17,910 --> 03:03:18,470
Thank you.

2171
03:03:20,270 --> 03:03:28,890
And then the parking lot, the handicap parking space is needs to meet Illinois accessibility code.

2172
03:03:30,230 --> 03:03:31,970
Which does not allow a van.

2173
03:03:32,690 --> 03:03:35,270
Illinois accessibility code doesn't have van parking.

2174
03:03:36,610 --> 03:03:38,770
The general

2175
03:03:42,580 --> 03:03:45,080
of the planting is is fine.

2176
03:03:45,140 --> 03:03:46,960
I don't have a problem with the planting in general.

2177
03:03:47,400 --> 03:03:47,440
Okay.

2178
03:03:47,760 --> 03:03:48,940
Thank you.

2179
03:03:51,540 --> 03:03:55,680
As I said before, we've actually submitted it.

2180
03:03:55,680 --> 03:03:56,880
This hasn't been put in your packet.

2181
03:03:57,900 --> 03:03:59,480
A code compliant lighting plan.

2182
03:03:59,640 --> 03:04:00,880
Otherwise it darkens the dry regulations.

2183
03:04:02,240 --> 03:04:04,300
We made some adjustments to the fixtures.

2184
03:04:05,080 --> 03:04:06,620
The patina there will be dark bronze.

2185
03:04:06,620 --> 03:04:20,920
We do have signage located on the property in this area off of the roundabout and so there's our lighting plan.

2186
03:04:21,060 --> 03:04:25,940
There's the sign. This would provide visibility at the end of the driveway here.

2187
03:04:25,940 --> 03:04:30,980
This is a look looking to the west across the existing staff parking lot.

2188
03:04:30,980 --> 03:04:37,640
And these are, I, I see what you mean about the, the buffer being, uh, uh, uh, way from the north property line.

2189
03:04:38,540 --> 03:04:42,460
All right, so we discussed with, uh, a recap quickly of our, our variance requests.

2190
03:04:42,980 --> 03:04:46,920
Um, we have narrated this way of identified them, uh, and you did a summation.

2191
03:04:47,520 --> 03:04:53,700
Basically, um, it's, as to quantity, there are a few, it's an open space.

2192
03:04:53,700 --> 03:05:02,040
We didn't want to, frankly, overburden the space and start planting and filling up opportunity areas.

2193
03:05:02,600 --> 03:05:03,900
So we thought we tried to strike a balance.

2194
03:05:04,740 --> 03:05:10,780
And that's with respect to trees evergreen and shade more in a mental with respect to scrubs.

2195
03:05:11,820 --> 03:05:15,420
We're 40-some under the requirement, but that's still on a shrubs for the site.

2196
03:05:15,620 --> 03:05:21,240
It's not building on a big site, and it's quantity is measured by the size of the perimeter of the site.

2197
03:05:21,240 --> 03:05:34,320
So that's sort of the basis for that request and again the standards have been addressed in your application materials and some contextual photographs of the site and you're all familiar with that.

2198
03:05:36,080 --> 03:05:38,460
Excuse me, how many trees are you going to be taking out?

2199
03:05:39,180 --> 03:05:42,460
No, I'm not taking out four dead trees and that's it.

2200
03:05:43,140 --> 03:05:45,360
And so nothing needs to be replaced with that?

2201
03:05:51,680 --> 03:05:54,840
We have addressed the special use standards.

2202
03:05:55,520 --> 03:05:56,440
We've looked at each one of them.

2203
03:05:56,700 --> 03:06:00,640
We've provided our argument as to why we meet,

2204
03:06:00,880 --> 03:06:02,180
and what ways we meet each of them,

2205
03:06:02,260 --> 03:06:04,160
and we've done the same with the design of new standards.

2206
03:06:07,240 --> 03:06:09,020
I think we've tried to nearly this as best we can.

2207
03:06:10,820 --> 03:06:15,180
We have, again, a special use with four devices,

2208
03:06:15,720 --> 03:06:16,620
as to landscaping,

2209
03:06:16,620 --> 03:06:23,320
We'd like to get recognition of this as heavy a second phase of the 25-square-foot addition.

2210
03:06:24,260 --> 03:06:28,220
We'd like a statement that the noise is associated with the operation of a food delivery

2211
03:06:28,220 --> 03:06:33,620
truck across the park district parking lot in the high-owned park community site would be acceptable

2212
03:06:33,620 --> 03:06:40,840
and would not be deemed a public nuisance and we understand conditions of approval that might

2213
03:06:40,840 --> 03:06:47,300
necessary with respect to engineering matters, lighting, and so we'd ask for your favorable

2214
03:06:47,300 --> 03:06:52,840
consideration of this matter. We're looking forward to being in a new location in Highland

2215
03:06:52,840 --> 03:06:57,640
Park. We think this is an appropriate place for us, and thank you very much.

2216
03:07:00,240 --> 03:07:00,360
Thank you.

2217
03:07:00,460 --> 03:07:01,740
Any questions for the applicant?

2218
03:07:02,920 --> 03:07:07,980
I got one quick question out. So there's a field that runs all the way to Red Oak

2219
03:07:07,980 --> 03:07:08,820
Lane, roughly.

2220
03:07:10,080 --> 03:07:13,420
Yeah, I mean, is that part of your site who takes care of that?

2221
03:07:13,660 --> 03:07:14,260
What happens with that?

2222
03:07:14,260 --> 03:07:15,000
Oh, which is okay.

2223
03:07:15,300 --> 03:07:22,460
So right now, the entire site is maintained by the Park District, with permission from the school district.

2224
03:07:23,180 --> 03:07:28,360
And we've been in conversation with Park District over operational matters, and they've agreed to continue to mow the open spaces.

2225
03:07:29,560 --> 03:07:32,680
They won't maintain our landscaping, we'll maintain that.

2226
03:07:33,280 --> 03:07:51,680
And we've got an agreement in principle that's being documented with respect to snow plowing and they'll continue to do lawn mowing and all of those practices will be with respect to landscape maintenance will be consistent with the purpose districts practices for their open spaces and their landscaping.

2227
03:07:53,400 --> 03:07:56,280
of all agreements in place with the park district.

2228
03:07:56,800 --> 03:07:57,920
No, we're working on that.

2229
03:07:58,040 --> 03:08:03,560
We have all the terms, we're looking at the legal document right now, and we're bringing

2230
03:08:03,560 --> 03:08:04,300
that forward.

2231
03:08:05,520 --> 03:08:10,700
Now, we're having discussion with staff, we've had discussions with Park Board Member.

2232
03:08:11,120 --> 03:08:16,380
We are bringing this in front of School District and Park District, and we are speaking

2233
03:08:16,380 --> 03:08:20,060
again on Thursday night, and we're bringing this all together in the next couple of weeks.

2234
03:08:20,060 --> 03:08:20,500
Okay.

2235
03:08:21,520 --> 03:08:25,700
Did you get only a million feedback from the neighbors to the Northland?

2236
03:08:26,200 --> 03:08:33,500
So we've been there today public meeting on this project February 5th at the police station.

2237
03:08:34,060 --> 03:08:38,620
We got probably a dozen folks from Ridge Road in the immediate neighborhood to the North,

2238
03:08:39,620 --> 03:08:44,660
who wanted to know what our plan was, wanted to see what our plan was, and we got dialogue.

2239
03:08:44,860 --> 03:08:47,260
We probably were there for our 1.5-2 hours.

2240
03:08:48,800 --> 03:08:55,260
And we kind of went through what we knew at that point, and we had a pretty good site plan to narrow landscape plan to develop,

2241
03:08:56,040 --> 03:09:02,180
but we took feedback about concerns about buffering and how to how this site would operate.

2242
03:09:04,300 --> 03:09:07,060
There were, you know, I think some of the neighbors are here, we'll probably speak.

2243
03:09:11,780 --> 03:09:24,180
We've had some follow-up discussions with some of the neighbors, and again, they can speak to them for themselves as to what they're continued concerns if any are about this.

2244
03:09:24,220 --> 03:09:36,360
I think we've tried to be considerate of their properties with respect to how we've located building, how we've landscaped it, and with respect to lighting.

2245
03:09:37,420 --> 03:09:42,140
are going to be on timers and photosels so that they're only on when they need to be on and

2246
03:09:42,140 --> 03:09:47,180
they're not coming on overnight. So we're our staff are done by 630. We're going to shut off

2247
03:09:47,180 --> 03:09:53,180
those lights. Our staff are arriving around between 637. That's when the lights are going to come

2248
03:09:53,180 --> 03:09:57,640
on. One other point of clarification with respect to the lighting. The lighting designated area

2249
03:09:57,640 --> 03:10:02,100
will be loading only for 6AM to 7AM. So we're not talking about overnight loading. We're talking

2250
03:10:02,100 --> 03:10:11,260
16 to 7 a.m. one day a week. One truck. Well, the air conditioner is also not work not beyond during the night.

2251
03:10:11,760 --> 03:10:13,500
I don't know.

2252
03:10:13,760 --> 03:10:14,960
And we thought about that.

2253
03:10:20,360 --> 03:10:20,760
What was the answer?

2254
03:10:20,940 --> 03:10:22,560
Sorry, the answer is they would be on.

2255
03:10:22,960 --> 03:10:23,740
They would be on that.

2256
03:10:23,880 --> 03:10:24,220
Yes.

2257
03:10:26,400 --> 03:10:30,400
So did the drainage and lighting plans come back to us when they are finalized?

2258
03:10:30,940 --> 03:10:31,420
No.

2259
03:10:33,140 --> 03:10:35,800
That's a staff staff does that too.

2260
03:10:36,060 --> 03:10:39,900
Is there a school season associated with your use?

2261
03:10:40,260 --> 03:10:45,420
We are required by states contract to be open 49 weeks of the year.

2262
03:10:46,300 --> 03:10:48,460
For no weeks, right, for no months, for no weeks.

2263
03:10:48,460 --> 03:10:48,500
For no weeks, for no weeks, for no weeks.

2264
03:10:49,160 --> 03:10:49,600
For no weeks.

2265
03:10:49,600 --> 03:10:49,720
For no weeks.

2266
03:10:50,020 --> 03:10:50,360
For no weeks.

2267
03:10:50,520 --> 03:10:50,720
For no weeks.

2268
03:10:50,820 --> 03:10:56,980
Our work this year is going to be when we move out of cargo

2269
03:10:56,980 --> 03:10:59,780
and hopefully we move into here.

2270
03:10:59,780 --> 03:11:06,580
There should be a general and a typical time for when we're doing it, and this summer early fall.

2271
03:11:08,740 --> 03:11:12,780
So, I guess I'd ask for this, I'd ask for you to give consideration of this tonight.

2272
03:11:15,000 --> 03:11:19,840
We've, maybe I don't know if you like me saying this, but we've prepared suggested findings of fact.

2273
03:11:20,180 --> 03:11:23,340
I'd implore you to take consideration of this even tonight.

2274
03:11:23,940 --> 03:11:27,140
We would like to bring this as soon as possible to city council for consideration.

2275
03:11:29,640 --> 03:11:34,740
given our need to vacate Carter Center on September 1st.

2276
03:11:35,500 --> 03:11:41,900
We have a very aggressive plan, which we have an opportunity to execute on in the timeline

2277
03:11:41,900 --> 03:11:49,080
that we need any consideration you can give to us to of your review of this recommendation

2278
03:11:49,080 --> 03:11:49,840
to City Council.

2279
03:11:50,060 --> 03:11:51,120
Be greatly appreciated tonight.

2280
03:11:53,540 --> 03:11:53,800
Thank you.

2281
03:11:53,820 --> 03:11:54,680
Thank you.

2282
03:11:54,680 --> 03:12:02,660
questions for the applicants. Thank you. Members of the public wish to speak.

2283
03:12:04,780 --> 03:12:05,200
If you could

2284
03:12:05,200 --> 03:12:09,500
all actually, if everybody wishes to speak, even if you're not sure, but you might,

2285
03:12:10,220 --> 03:12:15,100
at least, and because I want to swear you all in it once, you decide not to decide not to.

2286
03:12:15,100 --> 03:12:17,020
You can all come up to the podium, please.

2287
03:12:22,400 --> 03:12:22,540
Yep.

2288
03:12:22,820 --> 03:12:23,260
I'm just kidding.

2289
03:12:26,340 --> 03:12:27,060
Can I?

2290
03:12:40,480 --> 03:12:40,940
See you.

2291
03:12:41,540 --> 03:12:42,280
Set the podium.

2292
03:12:43,240 --> 03:12:44,220
Six, six, six.

2293
03:12:44,400 --> 03:12:45,060
Right on the plane.

2294
03:12:45,740 --> 03:12:46,280
Right there.

2295
03:12:46,780 --> 03:12:46,960
Mm-hmm.

2296
03:12:54,590 --> 03:12:55,810
And we're talking hours right there.

2297
03:12:55,870 --> 03:12:56,550
No, I promise.

2298
03:12:56,570 --> 03:12:57,550
That's what we're all in at once.

2299
03:12:57,590 --> 03:12:59,970
We get all just actually just raise your right hand, please.

2300
03:13:01,630 --> 03:13:02,690
Yes, we're going to test them all.

2301
03:13:02,930 --> 03:13:03,670
We'll be through tonight.

2302
03:13:03,710 --> 03:13:04,290
We'll be the truth.

2303
03:13:04,410 --> 03:13:05,590
The whole truth and nothing but the truth.

2304
03:13:06,050 --> 03:13:06,390
Thank you.

2305
03:13:06,550 --> 03:13:06,750
Okay.

2306
03:13:06,750 --> 03:13:10,730
And each will come up to speak, please see your name and address for the record.

2307
03:13:12,920 --> 03:13:13,560
Can I go first?

2308
03:13:14,080 --> 03:13:17,420
I'm, uh, I have another, uh, six, six, five, five, five, five.

2309
03:13:17,860 --> 03:13:20,500
So our property is that one right there.

2310
03:13:20,800 --> 03:13:22,320
In the picture, outside of there.

2311
03:13:22,880 --> 03:13:26,680
And so, uh, I think we have, um, actually, we've just talked about that.

2312
03:13:26,820 --> 03:13:28,140
We have been attending the meetings.

2313
03:13:29,480 --> 03:13:33,300
I, um, uh, I think we have a couple of concerns about this proposed property.

2314
03:13:33,880 --> 03:13:37,600
Uh, predominantly the idea that we're putting it in this particular location.

2315
03:13:37,600 --> 03:13:45,020
we already have, as you know, moreally schools vote here, but I was kind of bad.

2316
03:13:45,160 --> 03:13:46,980
Obviously, that's not all, this is your fault.

2317
03:13:47,240 --> 03:13:49,380
That's outside the fact that we've got the West Ridge Center.

2318
03:13:49,880 --> 03:13:50,960
We have one oak.

2319
03:13:51,100 --> 03:13:54,340
We have sure wood, and we have all the other schools in that area.

2320
03:13:54,560 --> 03:13:55,820
It's a very congested area.

2321
03:13:55,960 --> 03:14:01,440
We're adding more to that area as well as getting rid of our open space.

2322
03:14:02,160 --> 03:14:06,400
Our dark concerns, I think, you know, are that we've added a street.

2323
03:14:07,140 --> 03:14:17,300
Right now, this property is actually on red oak, it is not on ridge, and we're adding a street from a ridge all over to red oak.

2324
03:14:17,640 --> 03:14:21,560
If we were to do this, it makes a hell of a lot more sense to have it come off of red oak.

2325
03:14:21,660 --> 03:14:28,900
I know that doesn't make sense for the schools and timing and all that, but we're now at my backyard now is going to be a parking lot.

2326
03:14:29,220 --> 03:14:33,400
It doesn't make traffic every day of kids being dropped off.

2327
03:14:33,400 --> 03:14:49,840
I think that the building looks lovely, the landscape looks lovely, I don't have any issues with that but I don't know why we have to put in all of these parking spaces and all this traffic and this particular location. Why can't we take it away and put it farther away from the residential buildings?

2328
03:14:53,680 --> 03:14:59,100
Again, Seth Bender's 665 Redo Plane, you know.

2329
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:24,920
I just have a few concerns as well. You know, I'm reacting mostly to what was presented tonight. I haven't seen any of those documents before then, so that's why I urge you at least to not necessarily vote on this tonight, so that the community at large can kind of see some of what is being proposed. And with that said, it had been following this very regularly as they know they see me at all the meetings.

2330
03:15:26,040 --> 03:15:35,080
But some concerns are, I haven't seen it in actual full plan yet that actually details where the property lines are.

2331
03:15:35,180 --> 03:15:48,020
I'm actually quite concerned that the ten-foot buffer that was referred to earlier isn't necessarily being respected in regards to the property on a six-six-five-red-of-lane.

2332
03:15:50,400 --> 03:15:50,920
Thank you.

2333
03:15:50,920 --> 03:15:55,240
Do we have an area where I don't understand where these people live?

2334
03:16:24,260 --> 03:16:27,280
Yes, the first one you were pointing at.

2335
03:16:27,560 --> 03:16:28,640
Thank you.

2336
03:16:28,740 --> 03:16:33,940
So the questions I have are regards to.

2337
03:16:34,640 --> 03:16:38,640
One, our property actually for some strange reason.

2338
03:16:39,920 --> 03:16:47,220
It's not represented by the fence on our property, so I don't know if you've been drawing things to the fence or the actual surveyed land.

2339
03:16:48,260 --> 03:17:01,820
And, you know, looking at where that driveway is, I don't exactly understand how rainwater, how is drawn and I haven't looked at any sort of maps that,

2340
03:17:01,820 --> 03:17:09,020
If the idea that it all goes into the retention that's there, or is that just going into our backyard north of where that driveway is,

2341
03:17:11,360 --> 03:17:12,160
it flans.

2342
03:17:13,700 --> 03:17:16,300
Well, we don't know. We're not. We can't do back and back.

2343
03:17:17,320 --> 03:17:19,140
Those are questions I have.

2344
03:17:19,480 --> 03:17:24,020
I want to just somehow point directed toward Mr. Leaf, Commissioner Leaf.

2345
03:17:24,760 --> 03:17:29,240
You asked what do the neighbors think, the numbers, what? That February meeting.

2346
03:17:29,240 --> 03:17:37,500
they were vast people who lived in there were very upset at such a, you know, that such a building

2347
03:17:37,500 --> 03:17:42,000
was going up in that space and kind of tearing up the local park, there was also, and I

2348
03:17:42,000 --> 03:17:48,400
can share this with any of the people on the cushion, a, you know, a change.org petition

2349
03:17:48,400 --> 03:17:55,140
that 137 members of the community have signed saying they would not be for the school in

2350
03:17:55,140 --> 03:17:56,560
there. Thank you.

2351
03:18:04,570 --> 03:18:10,410
It wasn't for me. That was. Hi, I'm Ed Brawl. I live at 669 Ridge Road.

2352
03:18:11,250 --> 03:18:17,250
So my driveway is basically right across from where the ingress will be for this. I attended

2353
03:18:17,250 --> 03:18:23,490
Westridge School myself and then Red Oak enjoys my adult life. I've chosen to move to Ridge Road

2354
03:18:23,490 --> 03:18:29,690
to be near all the amenities of Southwest Highland Park. I have two children who are at or were at

2355
03:18:29,690 --> 03:18:34,650
at Oak or Sherwood Schools, and I want the dog in the Westerage Park every day. My kids

2356
03:18:34,650 --> 03:18:39,210
take classes there. I think having active children in the park and the playground and the

2357
03:18:39,210 --> 03:18:45,570
park district facilities a wonderful aspect of living in the area. So my point of view is probably

2358
03:18:45,570 --> 03:18:50,790
quite the opposite. I think, you know, we have plenty of schools in the area but why not more. It

2359
03:18:50,790 --> 03:18:54,550
shows that our neighborhood is supportive of bringing new families in a highland park who need

2360
03:18:55,570 --> 03:19:02,570
The enrollment is small and is open to a broad section of the community supported by the community in the state.

2361
03:19:03,250 --> 03:19:05,870
Every reference I've seen to this organization has been positive.

2362
03:19:07,130 --> 03:19:13,230
Well, until I heard the loading bit at 6am, I'm kind of not cool with that one, but maybe we can work on that.

2363
03:19:13,830 --> 03:19:15,090
So I don't really have a job in this hunt.

2364
03:19:15,150 --> 03:19:16,270
I don't know anyone on the project.

2365
03:19:16,890 --> 03:19:20,350
I was personally very against the middle school campus plan,

2366
03:19:20,350 --> 03:19:22,950
But I kind of think that the best defense is a good offense.

2367
03:19:23,390 --> 03:19:26,490
And if we adopt a small scale in criminal school,

2368
03:19:26,550 --> 03:19:27,890
that kind of says, OK, we're done.

2369
03:19:28,750 --> 03:19:31,930
It fits very well with the overall facilities

2370
03:19:31,930 --> 03:19:33,030
that are in the area.

2371
03:19:33,310 --> 03:19:35,830
And I think even addresses some things like drainage

2372
03:19:35,830 --> 03:19:38,690
problems, the practices had on the property.

2373
03:19:39,650 --> 03:19:43,230
So a couple of classrooms, and some more students,

2374
03:19:43,530 --> 03:19:44,590
some more happiness in the neighborhood.

2375
03:19:44,790 --> 03:19:47,150
I think that's a very good thing to have more kids around

2376
03:19:47,150 --> 03:19:50,630
and have them playing outside all year long.

2377
03:19:51,170 --> 03:19:53,890
I don't typically think of Southwest Island Park as a Nimbee neighborhood.

2378
03:19:54,250 --> 03:19:56,030
I've lived there more than half of my life.

2379
03:19:56,690 --> 03:19:59,770
And I think this proposal feels natural and aligned with what we offer.

2380
03:20:00,170 --> 03:20:02,810
So I think we should endorse and support it.

2381
03:20:02,970 --> 03:20:05,640
Thank you, real, dear.

2382
03:20:15,240 --> 03:20:16,240
I know it was one,

2383
03:20:18,760 --> 03:20:20,080
two, one, five, one.

2384
03:20:20,220 --> 03:20:21,000
Anglewood Port.

2385
03:20:21,520 --> 03:20:22,960
I don't know.

2386
03:20:23,200 --> 03:20:29,440
I like your plan, everything else, but I'm really opposed to putting anything in a park.

2387
03:20:29,440 --> 03:20:35,380
We have these parks, let's say once we put a building there, the park is gone.

2388
03:20:36,620 --> 03:20:37,820
Let's not forget that.

2389
03:20:38,560 --> 03:20:41,580
We need the parks more than we need anything else.

2390
03:20:41,980 --> 03:20:42,620
Thank you.

2391
03:20:50,720 --> 03:20:52,160
Anybody else who wishes to speak?

2392
03:20:53,120 --> 03:20:53,340
Okay.

2393
03:20:53,840 --> 03:20:55,820
I'll give you the applicant at the time chance to respond.

2394
03:20:58,020 --> 03:21:05,020
All I want to address is Mr. Bender's question about drainage because I can absolutely appreciate that concern.

2395
03:21:14,200 --> 03:21:21,940
So we have to contain the water on our property, and we have to drain the water that's on our property and coming off of our property.

2396
03:21:22,840 --> 03:21:27,000
So there's codes that address, sorry, I should be just in the chairman of that.

2397
03:21:27,480 --> 03:21:33,960
There's codes that I kind of mirror and that address this.

2398
03:21:33,960 --> 03:21:39,980
So we've got underground drainage that's taking the water from the impervious that we're adding to the park district property

2399
03:21:39,980 --> 03:21:47,020
And it's taking the water from our site, and it's all conveying it underground into the existing storm sewer system.

2400
03:21:47,240 --> 03:21:51,600
It is in that residential subdivision up there, which runs along the property line.

2401
03:21:53,100 --> 03:21:59,840
And the tension basin is designed with burying to hold water there.

2402
03:22:00,360 --> 03:22:07,300
So right now there is water from our site that is flowing off onto your property.

2403
03:22:07,860 --> 03:22:11,760
We're taking the water on our site and controlling it.

2404
03:22:14,320 --> 03:22:18,740
Then you control up to the 100-year farm.

2405
03:22:19,560 --> 03:22:22,700
Dan Cranie, our civil engineer, can speak to that.

2406
03:22:24,480 --> 03:22:27,100
And it goes over the 100-year storm.

2407
03:22:27,860 --> 03:22:28,880
Dan, why should you come up here, please?

2408
03:22:29,380 --> 03:22:29,700
Dan Cranie.

2409
03:22:37,410 --> 03:22:39,910
Good evening. Nice to see all the people.

2410
03:22:41,190 --> 03:22:44,550
Dan Cranie, Dan Cranie company in North Brooklyn, Illinois.

2411
03:22:47,270 --> 03:22:49,940
Thank you.

2412
03:22:50,280 --> 03:22:54,900
The storm road attention is designed to meet the city of the House of Parks College as well as

2413
03:22:54,900 --> 03:22:56,500
Lake County Stormwater Management.

2414
03:22:57,160 --> 03:23:03,720
It's designed to retain the order up to the 100 years storm and if it does, I will

2415
03:23:03,720 --> 03:23:10,360
flow out of the same direction that it does now, but it, I know, presently the water comes

2416
03:23:10,360 --> 03:23:16,520
into probably that lower area by your property in the time it rains because of the lower

2417
03:23:16,520 --> 03:23:19,760
storm structure in the area and there's no storm water detention.

2418
03:23:20,420 --> 03:23:26,160
One of the people who have decided that it's going to handle the additional amount for the

2419
03:23:26,160 --> 03:23:31,660
problem of the area, we're going to collect it and release it at a slow rate as required by the city.

2420
03:23:34,580 --> 03:23:37,260
This out of the question that was asked.

2421
03:23:37,740 --> 03:23:38,540
Thank you.

2422
03:23:38,660 --> 03:23:38,880
Okay.

2423
03:23:39,000 --> 03:23:39,520
Thank you.

2424
03:23:45,350 --> 03:23:46,210
I

2425
03:23:47,330 --> 03:23:52,570
I don't know anything else though. Oh, it's alright. Pretty line. There isn't existing fence that

2426
03:23:52,570 --> 03:23:56,430
Kind of that

2427
03:23:56,430 --> 03:23:57,630
I have

2428
03:24:00,100 --> 03:24:05,600
to remember where it is. If I had way moved through this. Oh, here we go. Okay, I'm gonna do this. Okay

2429
03:24:08,250 --> 03:24:11,230
Sorry. Oh, yeah. Sorry folks. No, it's late.

2430
03:24:16,850 --> 03:24:19,070
There isn't existing fence that

2431
03:24:19,630 --> 03:24:26,350
runs about 132 feet on the northeast side of the property from our surveying

2432
03:24:26,890 --> 03:24:30,790
There's a little bit of that across the property line, but from the most part, it's on the

2433
03:24:30,790 --> 03:24:33,170
neighbor's property lines, the solid six-foot wood fence.

2434
03:24:34,490 --> 03:24:41,670
There's trees on the other side of the fence, our tree survey shows that, and we have

2435
03:24:42,290 --> 03:24:48,510
good measurements, and we know where the property line is, and we'll have to work within

2436
03:24:48,510 --> 03:24:53,710
that and present the final altar survey for the final engineering.

2437
03:24:55,390 --> 03:25:02,390
But that's what I'll say about that and other than I think I don't have more follow-up.

2438
03:25:02,530 --> 03:25:02,900
Thank you.

2439
03:25:03,890 --> 03:25:04,190
Thank you.

2440
03:25:05,210 --> 03:25:08,030
A couple questions of the fence.

2441
03:25:08,490 --> 03:25:10,130
What's the material of the fence?

2442
03:25:10,790 --> 03:25:13,810
Which fence is the fence around the play area?

2443
03:25:14,370 --> 03:25:17,990
The play area is going to be rubberized.

2444
03:25:19,130 --> 03:25:19,790
How did we narrow it?

2445
03:25:19,790 --> 03:25:21,990
to describe it, rubberized chain length fence.

2446
03:25:22,510 --> 03:25:24,130
And that's in part, and we discussed this

2447
03:25:24,130 --> 03:25:28,350
under an narrative, for usability.

2448
03:25:29,410 --> 03:25:32,430
Right now, we have this kind of fencing at Carter Center

2449
03:25:32,430 --> 03:25:33,890
for our outdoor play area.

2450
03:25:34,670 --> 03:25:36,630
There's visibility that get through that.

2451
03:25:36,670 --> 03:25:38,970
It's also functions for weaving things,

2452
03:25:39,250 --> 03:25:42,530
hatching things with the children to create

2453
03:25:42,530 --> 03:25:45,450
for play in a functioning space for them.

2454
03:25:45,450 --> 03:25:53,730
We also can't have partages on the fences for regulatory reasons.

2455
03:25:54,550 --> 03:25:55,930
And that'll be black?

2456
03:25:56,270 --> 03:25:56,510
Yes.

2457
03:25:56,950 --> 03:25:57,850
Black rubberized.

2458
03:26:00,530 --> 03:26:05,750
And then the building does look like a manufacturer building.

2459
03:26:05,930 --> 03:26:07,010
I know that you've tried.

2460
03:26:08,610 --> 03:26:12,130
But it still really looks like a manufacturer building.

2461
03:26:14,650 --> 03:26:21,050
I, and I'm also kind of surprised that you didn't try to pull any detail from the ridge

2462
03:26:21,050 --> 03:26:27,150
road build by the characteristic building and transfer it over,

2463
03:26:29,320 --> 03:26:33,860
it just, I don't, and it does

2464
03:26:33,860 --> 03:26:37,510
look like a manufacturer building, and I'm struggling with that.

2465
03:26:40,600 --> 03:26:41,340
You're going to have to go on that.

2466
03:26:41,780 --> 03:26:44,020
I mean, it's not here for designers, right?

2467
03:26:44,980 --> 03:26:46,480
We don't have to do this, especially.

2468
03:26:48,810 --> 03:26:55,290
Well, no, there are no other stuff about these extensive reference to the designary standards that are applicable to this.

2469
03:26:55,470 --> 03:26:56,370
But I'm asking for...

2470
03:26:56,990 --> 03:26:57,570
We're not asking...

2471
03:26:57,570 --> 03:27:01,070
We're asking for a designary review as a part of this, which are used to excuse me.

2472
03:27:01,270 --> 03:27:01,890
There's a designary review.

2473
03:27:01,990 --> 03:27:03,210
We're not asking for any exceptions.

2474
03:27:03,950 --> 03:27:10,950
We believe we can apply with the standards for designary view of the site, the building, the landscaping, etc.

2475
03:27:10,950 --> 03:27:11,870
And

2476
03:27:14,110 --> 03:27:19,510
those can confuse you two of you that doesn't, this was a special use.

2477
03:27:20,110 --> 03:27:25,650
It's a special approach with the external design features and so we discussed that,

2478
03:27:25,770 --> 03:27:28,170
you've done a presentation in this effort report.

2479
03:27:28,470 --> 03:27:33,890
We've done a discussion about the reconstruction, but the design standards themselves.

2480
03:27:37,110 --> 03:27:42,310
We provided a tab in our binder of these tab four or four or five

2481
03:27:42,310 --> 03:27:46,010
that addresses each of the design standards and how are the project.

2482
03:27:46,390 --> 03:27:48,130
Yeah, it's five, five, five, five, five, five.

2483
03:27:48,350 --> 03:27:51,370
Is the modular building company here?

2484
03:27:51,750 --> 03:27:52,830
No, they're out of Indiana.

2485
03:27:53,910 --> 03:27:57,810
But we've been working very closely with them, Zach and Maria,

2486
03:27:58,210 --> 03:28:00,810
in particular, I have been working closely with them.

2487
03:28:00,850 --> 03:28:03,090
But the modular is the form of construction

2488
03:28:03,090 --> 03:28:04,930
to bring the building here.

2489
03:28:04,990 --> 03:28:07,510
You could build a building like this that wasn't done modular,

2490
03:28:07,510 --> 03:28:15,610
but it would be a low-pitched groove, a single-story building, and then we've created some design

2491
03:28:15,610 --> 03:28:19,530
features to create some articulation as the HVX screening and the travels in the front,

2492
03:28:19,830 --> 03:28:25,790
and we've done that through some of the paneling and the change in materials, the paneling

2493
03:28:25,790 --> 03:28:32,350
about the windows, the floor, the windows that would go to the ground level and up, and the

2494
03:28:32,350 --> 03:28:40,470
recombination of color and materials, also trying to create some variation to the facade of the building.

2495
03:28:43,170 --> 03:28:49,510
Let me ask you a different question. The comment that was made earlier by Ms. Bender about the road.

2496
03:28:50,810 --> 03:29:00,970
The impact the road is going to have. And I know you said that it wasn't your choice that you were instructed not to use red oak lane.

2497
03:29:00,970 --> 03:29:05,750
but can you share with us your understanding of the basis for that decision?

2498
03:29:06,390 --> 03:29:11,370
Because the school district has a extensive campus area,

2499
03:29:11,990 --> 03:29:20,650
the U.S. is right O'Cline right now, and it is under its existing configuration already two challenged during school days.

2500
03:29:20,870 --> 03:29:28,590
I would pick up and drop off, but they didn't want to add something that even in the middle school to this,

2501
03:29:28,590 --> 03:29:33,130
that was just to create for them, it was a non-starter.

2502
03:29:33,430 --> 03:29:34,530
That was a condition.

2503
03:29:34,670 --> 03:29:38,330
If we were to look at this site as opposed to Kennedy Park,

2504
03:29:38,370 --> 03:29:41,450
which where we have a lease for the Kennedy Park site,

2505
03:29:42,450 --> 03:29:44,290
that when this was presented to us and presented

2506
03:29:45,870 --> 03:29:47,670
to the Park District as well,

2507
03:29:47,950 --> 03:29:50,990
that was the first thing out of the superintendent's mouth

2508
03:29:50,990 --> 03:29:53,710
was that this had to have red oak access.

2509
03:29:53,850 --> 03:29:56,010
So they had to have red road access.

2510
03:29:56,010 --> 03:29:59,970
Like, I mean, I can tell you that I live in the neighborhood there too.

2511
03:30:01,070 --> 03:30:07,210
We're looking to ensure we have staggered, starting in ending times that are different from the rest of 112 for that exact reason.

2512
03:30:07,970 --> 03:30:08,550
I'm not surprised.

2513
03:30:10,690 --> 03:30:14,730
I'm not surprised if that was a requirement by the, by the history.

2514
03:30:14,910 --> 03:30:20,990
I also say to somewhat address the vendor's concerns.

2515
03:30:22,370 --> 03:30:30,770
The way the easement has been crafted and the understanding between the parties with respect to the easement is that it's going to be tied

2516
03:30:30,770 --> 03:30:36,510
to this use, this kind of a use of a non-for-profit educational use.

2517
03:30:36,750 --> 03:30:40,090
So in other words, if the school district, as they have with other assets that they don't

2518
03:30:40,090 --> 03:30:44,890
use, wanted in the future to sell, after the lease term, wanted to sell this property,

2519
03:30:45,430 --> 03:30:49,370
and it was put to say, resident use, that would not be an access route, the resident

2520
03:30:49,370 --> 03:30:54,250
use, this easement would not permit that, this easement in fact, could be terminated by the

2521
03:30:54,250 --> 03:30:59,130
district. So it's really limited. The access is limited to this

2522
03:31:02,140 --> 03:31:05,040
and our lease is a 15-year

2523
03:31:05,040 --> 03:31:11,640
term with two five-year renewal terms. The school district is limited by a lot of 25-year

2524
03:31:11,640 --> 03:31:22,420
lease terms and so we have a new construction facility that will be appropriate for that lease

2525
03:31:22,420 --> 03:31:25,800
firm, and I

2526
03:31:28,040 --> 03:31:34,720
guess it is a number of years, but it's not going to be in perpetuity.

2527
03:31:44,510 --> 03:31:50,010
So, one of the questions you had to clarify something was about the design review aspect

2528
03:31:50,010 --> 03:31:53,170
and on the agenda for tonight, it talks about the special use.

2529
03:31:54,330 --> 03:31:59,530
So the design review aspect is not on the agenda for this evening, which means you're fully

2530
03:31:59,530 --> 03:32:03,770
capable of discussing it, considering it, but when it comes time to

2531
03:32:03,770 --> 03:32:08,670
devoting, I think the idea was to do that at the next meeting if you were going to

2532
03:32:08,670 --> 03:32:15,530
direct findings of fact, or the decision on the designer view.

2533
03:32:17,570 --> 03:32:20,030
So we can't consider designing it.

2534
03:32:20,030 --> 03:32:22,990
You can discuss it, but in terms of voting.

2535
03:32:23,450 --> 03:32:25,890
This isn't about it. It needs to be on the agenda.

2536
03:32:26,550 --> 03:32:27,890
That's right, that's what we're.

2537
03:32:28,590 --> 03:32:30,950
That's I don't have some of the confusion.

2538
03:32:31,410 --> 03:32:34,910
So now, that said, you know, having a conversation,

2539
03:32:35,150 --> 03:32:37,190
but that's not just perfectly appropriate and fine,

2540
03:32:37,750 --> 03:32:40,710
and then next time when you're considering it,

2541
03:32:41,250 --> 03:32:44,870
obviously, you've already heard a lot of the information.

2542
03:32:45,030 --> 03:32:46,370
You don't need to do it all again.

2543
03:32:47,150 --> 03:32:49,910
We're just voting on designer view tonight,

2544
03:32:50,190 --> 03:32:50,930
because it's not on the agenda.

2545
03:32:51,590 --> 03:32:54,550
Can I actually, this is going to clarification

2546
03:32:54,550 --> 03:32:58,030
in the public notification letter, indicates that there's design review tonight.

2547
03:33:01,010 --> 03:33:05,510
The public notification of this case, this case, then, is being captioned as a special

2548
03:33:05,510 --> 03:33:08,530
user with design review for purposes of legal notifications.

2549
03:33:08,890 --> 03:33:16,810
So I guess I, although the, the, the, the posted agenda for tonight's meeting may not

2550
03:33:16,810 --> 03:33:17,630
call that out.

2551
03:33:17,750 --> 03:33:23,730
I think that there's a basis to the case we made that it was legally notified as such, and

2552
03:33:23,730 --> 03:33:26,670
the case was captioned as spectre use with design.

2553
03:33:28,030 --> 03:33:30,610
So I'll defer to you, Council on that.

2554
03:33:30,890 --> 03:33:33,990
So under the Open Meetings Act, it's required to be in the agenda.

2555
03:33:34,170 --> 03:33:39,770
Now that said, if you wanted to take a vote this evening, if you're next eating ratified

2556
03:33:39,770 --> 03:33:46,350
that decision, would understand that under the Open Meetings Act, you have to have it

2557
03:33:46,350 --> 03:33:52,750
on the agenda itself for the consideration for the final vote and action on design of

2558
03:33:53,390 --> 03:34:00,550
So, the notice itself is that that's good and means we don't have to re-notice it for the design review.

2559
03:34:01,150 --> 03:34:11,190
Well, the design review doesn't require public hearing anyway, so the issue is whether it was included in a mail notice or publication notice is a separate issue of what's on the agenda.

2560
03:34:12,250 --> 03:34:20,270
So, the agenda itself for any action 40 hours in advance has to state what actions you're going to take final action up.

2561
03:34:22,350 --> 03:34:29,270
But the commission could make some recommendations as to what they want to see in the findings of fair act.

2562
03:34:30,370 --> 03:34:34,650
Right, and certainly, and then vote on the out of the next meeting.

2563
03:34:35,110 --> 03:34:39,710
If I'm in the finalised fight, if I'm in the fact that I'll come back the next meeting anyway, I think I've drafted.

2564
03:34:40,970 --> 03:34:48,170
And the desire for pressure on the quality of charge, the modification is a little reflected on the agenda, which is 48 hours for the moment.

2565
03:34:48,810 --> 03:34:55,930
It makes out a lot of educational requirements in the code, so we'll certainly be legally far making a formal design review vote.

2566
03:34:58,010 --> 03:35:03,130
If that's, that's how we're being directed by collaboration council and we need to separate design review vote at this point.

2567
03:35:03,130 --> 03:35:07,290
for this item that can certainly be undertaken at the next meeting without slowing down or

2568
03:35:07,290 --> 03:35:08,650
additional delays in the project.

2569
03:35:09,150 --> 03:35:09,190
Right.

2570
03:35:09,350 --> 03:35:10,330
We're coming back anyway.

2571
03:35:11,690 --> 03:35:11,810
Okay.

2572
03:35:13,390 --> 03:35:19,020
Is there any other questions or comments from the commission?

2573
03:35:19,940 --> 03:35:21,240
Well, I mean, yeah.

2574
03:35:22,160 --> 03:35:22,660
Comments.

2575
03:35:22,800 --> 03:35:24,800
But let me ask another question of corporation council.

2576
03:35:24,940 --> 03:35:26,180
We were asked about

2577
03:35:31,270 --> 03:35:34,030
almost as if we're going to issue with the clearatory

2578
03:35:34,030 --> 03:35:39,670
judgment that the arrival of delivery trucks would not

2579
03:35:39,670 --> 03:35:46,930
constitute a nuisance under, excuse me, under Illinois Law.

2580
03:35:47,530 --> 03:35:51,550
Is that something that we're in any position to declare?

2581
03:35:52,550 --> 03:35:54,730
Can we provide that kind of assurance?

2582
03:35:59,610 --> 03:36:05,210
I don't—the findings that you'd be making are on the special use standards, and whether

2583
03:36:05,210 --> 03:36:11,210
you believe they meet them or not, whether they would be, technically, a nuisance under

2584
03:36:11,210 --> 03:36:20,250
Illinois law, common law nuisance, or whether or not certain deliveries may violate to

2585
03:36:20,250 --> 03:36:27,770
at a noise regulation. It depends how it's done and it doesn't provide assurances. But based

2586
03:36:27,770 --> 03:36:32,770
on the evidence before you, you know, and the special use factors, that's what your consideration

2587
03:36:32,770 --> 03:36:36,970
is and whether the standards have been matched for a special use.

2588
03:36:37,630 --> 03:36:46,950
Can I address exactly where this came from? Your section 95.005 in your code of regulation says,

2589
03:36:46,950 --> 03:36:55,450
Notwithstanding provisions of 95.001-0 of this code, so that talks about commercial activities

2590
03:36:55,450 --> 03:37:00,990
within a range of the digital zoning district, being declared a public nuisance.

2591
03:37:02,350 --> 03:37:09,390
So it's notwithstanding that, to the contrary, noises generated by any of the following activities shall not be deemed public nuisance.

2592
03:37:09,390 --> 03:37:14,390
and IDMD is activities approved as part of a special use permit granted

2593
03:37:14,390 --> 03:37:18,970
pursuant to chapter 150 of this code, but only to the extent that such

2594
03:37:18,970 --> 03:37:24,250
noises are specifically identified and approved in the ordinance granting such

2595
03:37:24,250 --> 03:37:28,370
special use. So maybe I phrased it wrong. Maybe instead of making a declaration

2596
03:37:28,370 --> 03:37:34,710
that it's not a public nuisance, it's that the noise of a commercial food vehicle

2597
03:37:34,710 --> 03:37:39,710
truck is is is is allowed as a part of the special use.

2598
03:37:40,690 --> 03:37:43,510
Yeah, that's how I ended. That's how that sounds to me.

2599
03:37:43,850 --> 03:37:47,610
Yeah, it's not a it's not a it's not a nuisance to finding it's permitted

2600
03:37:47,610 --> 03:37:51,130
under the special use. It's finding is proved by operation of how this

2601
03:37:51,130 --> 03:37:54,770
section works that finding would declare that under city code.

2602
03:37:54,990 --> 03:37:58,070
It's not a public nuisance. And that doesn't affect the island of

2603
03:37:58,070 --> 03:37:59,760
common law nuisance claims though.

2604
03:38:00,750 --> 03:38:02,330
I'm not going to give an opinion about.

2605
03:38:02,330 --> 03:38:08,490
No, I'm not even able to identify all the code issues because.

2606
03:38:08,850 --> 03:38:09,170
Right.

2607
03:38:09,470 --> 03:38:10,990
And then I think I'm a zoning perspective.

2608
03:38:11,290 --> 03:38:14,470
I mean, it has to be operated in a way that would comply with Illinois law.

2609
03:38:14,990 --> 03:38:15,010
Right.

2610
03:38:15,010 --> 03:38:18,050
And so that would be kind of a separate issue of this in the code.

2611
03:38:18,370 --> 03:38:22,290
You know, for example, if, you know, any regardless,

2612
03:38:22,370 --> 03:38:24,890
especially if you're not, you can't drive around, you know,

2613
03:38:24,970 --> 03:38:28,410
just laying on your horn all the time, waking everybody up before morning.

2614
03:38:29,350 --> 03:38:38,090
So that's kind of a separate issue, and of course that would be something that we, you know, the city would look into as if it was that type of violation.

2615
03:38:38,630 --> 03:38:46,510
And again, if it had rise, something were to rise at the level of a common law, the nuisance that would be a private action by, you know, the field of suicide.

2616
03:38:49,770 --> 03:38:51,430
So I hope that helps and answers the question.

2617
03:38:52,250 --> 03:38:52,830
I

2618
03:38:55,260 --> 03:39:16,380
mean, I've got a question, I mean, I don't think if I'm following the bouncing ball correctly that we're not really waiting for any more information from the applicant, I think we have findings of fact drafted by staff, is there any reason why we can't, we don't, we don't have.

2619
03:39:16,380 --> 03:39:27,100
I mean, is there any reason why we can't direct bone-on directing staff tonight on the special use, consideration?

2620
03:39:28,280 --> 03:39:28,600
You could.

2621
03:39:28,940 --> 03:39:29,600
That's what they're doing.

2622
03:39:30,300 --> 03:39:30,500
Okay.

2623
03:39:30,920 --> 03:39:32,520
Yeah, that's the next step.

2624
03:39:32,780 --> 03:39:37,480
All right, subject to conditions of approval, the engineer drawings, the landscaping comments

2625
03:39:37,480 --> 03:39:44,440
that then made the lighting to comply, and subject to the legal documents and easings,

2626
03:39:44,440 --> 03:39:44,800
etc.

2627
03:39:44,800 --> 03:39:51,380
that they need. I've got a motion, sir. The engineering drugs. I got the,

2628
03:39:53,460 --> 03:39:54,720
I got the, I got

2629
03:39:54,720 --> 03:40:00,620
the delivery schedule. Right. The 6 to 7 am, so it's not a nice thing. So I stopped here. Okay.

2630
03:40:02,100 --> 03:40:09,280
That's that. Did you say lighting? I did. Okay, so we have a motion. Is there a second?

2631
03:40:11,000 --> 03:40:15,940
What about the, yeah, just, and I know the hour, I'm leaving. I'm well aware of it. It's hard to stay awake.

2632
03:40:16,880 --> 03:40:23,560
a certain point. But I want to take note of one thing. I think this is a very good plan.

2633
03:40:24,040 --> 03:40:32,860
I think we're all very comfortable with it. But I don't know how many years I've been on this

2634
03:40:32,860 --> 03:40:36,500
commission now. You probably know Andy. It's been a long time.

2635
03:40:38,580 --> 03:40:48,620
It has. You didn't have to

2636
03:40:48,620 --> 03:40:51,140
or if we have, it certainly hasn't been very often.

2637
03:40:53,100 --> 03:41:02,220
The neighbor, Mr. Brill, got up there and he told us that he didn't believe that his

2638
03:41:02,220 --> 03:41:05,460
neighborhood of Highland Park was a Nimbi neighborhood.

2639
03:41:06,620 --> 03:41:12,080
And even though this is going to affect him just as much as it is anybody else, he stood

2640
03:41:12,080 --> 03:41:17,920
up at that podium and told us that he thought this change was good for Highland Park, that

2641
03:41:17,920 --> 03:41:22,460
He was encouraged to have more children in the neighborhood that sure there would be an impact.

2642
03:41:22,640 --> 03:41:25,940
Anytime there's a development there's going to have some impact on the neighborhood.

2643
03:41:26,960 --> 03:41:29,320
But Mr. Brill was happy to have that impact.

2644
03:41:29,540 --> 03:41:35,640
He welcomed the impact and he appreciated that the children would have a positive impact in the neighborhood.

2645
03:41:36,660 --> 03:41:43,780
Ordinarily the view of everybody who gets up here is good as long as it happens somewhere else as long it doesn't happen in my neighborhood.

2646
03:41:44,260 --> 03:41:56,040
But I appreciate very much Mr. Brille coming here and telling us that he embraced this change and welcomed it into his neighborhood, because we rarely, if ever, hear that from folks who are as effective as he is by this change.

2647
03:41:56,040 --> 03:41:57,120
Here, here.

2648
03:41:57,220 --> 03:41:58,760
How did it?

2649
03:41:59,620 --> 03:42:02,820
That's someone who lives in the S.1 studio over for Mr. Brill.

2650
03:42:03,360 --> 03:42:07,400
I seconded that statement and certainly affected me.

2651
03:42:07,500 --> 03:42:09,380
Like, do we need a roll call on the, yeah?

2652
03:42:09,380 --> 03:42:09,860
Yes, we do.

2653
03:42:10,080 --> 03:42:11,660
We need to send any other comments.

2654
03:42:12,120 --> 03:42:13,740
I thought we had an agenda before we vote.

2655
03:42:13,740 --> 03:42:14,900
We do have a second.

2656
03:42:15,380 --> 03:42:17,540
I'm assuming the designer view is coming.

2657
03:42:19,320 --> 03:42:20,060
That's nice.

2658
03:42:20,600 --> 03:42:24,460
We'll handle that when we vote on the same time we handled the findings.

2659
03:42:24,840 --> 03:42:25,060
Okay.

2660
03:42:27,380 --> 03:42:32,440
I will say that, again, the same thing that I live in this neighborhood.

2661
03:42:33,340 --> 03:42:37,720
If I could hit a golf ball straight from my front yard, I'd hit the Western Center.

2662
03:42:38,720 --> 03:42:45,740
So I, and, and, and, and he, I was, I was, I was based on the, um, some of the initial

2663
03:42:45,740 --> 03:42:50,720
reporting and the local press was, was saying, well, you know, we've already got what four

2664
03:42:50,720 --> 03:42:57,340
schools and and Westridge there like how could we possibly handle more. I've driven through

2665
03:42:57,340 --> 03:43:01,980
the carpool line to Red Oak for ten years before my youngest finally got to edge with

2666
03:43:01,980 --> 03:43:11,120
this year and it's a nightmare. But I think you've had a lot of interest in those concerns

2667
03:43:12,200 --> 03:43:17,680
and I don't feel the same way I did before. Although I think that the neighbors around Kennedy

2668
03:43:17,680 --> 03:43:23,880
who ejected to this are really losing something, so that it has a roll call.

2669
03:43:23,920 --> 03:43:24,780
Mr. Jordan?

2670
03:43:27,600 --> 03:43:33,420
To direct that, drafting findings in the affirmative with those conditions.

2671
03:43:34,460 --> 03:43:36,240
I think the mission is recommended.

2672
03:43:37,040 --> 03:43:38,200
And that with our...

2673
03:43:38,200 --> 03:43:38,800
It's saying...

2674
03:43:41,800 --> 03:43:42,460
Commissioner Forresting.

2675
03:43:42,480 --> 03:43:42,760
Right.

2676
03:43:43,280 --> 03:43:44,340
Commissioner Leigh.

2677
03:43:45,420 --> 03:43:45,900
Commissioner Cutshire.

2678
03:43:47,220 --> 03:43:47,620
Commissioner.

2679
03:43:48,040 --> 03:43:55,440
one second just to want to clarify something as we're voting. I want to make sure we're clear on the motion because I've heard two different things about

2680
03:43:56,100 --> 03:44:01,620
Are you voting on the findings that have been presented by the applicant as is tonight or are you directly going to come back?

2681
03:44:03,040 --> 03:44:04,620
Come back. Come back.

2682
03:44:05,540 --> 03:44:11,460
Okay, I want to make sure we clear what we're voting. I don't got it. And so then the final vote will be next.

2683
03:44:12,180 --> 03:44:13,680
Oh, I'm changing my mind.

2684
03:44:13,680 --> 03:44:18,560
So Mr. Chairman, I'm going to retake that roll call then.

2685
03:44:19,020 --> 03:44:20,980
Okay, with that clarification for quite a bit.

2686
03:44:21,040 --> 03:44:21,520
I think that.

2687
03:44:25,490 --> 03:44:26,450
Mr. Oliar.

2688
03:44:28,060 --> 03:44:29,280
Mr. first thing.

2689
03:44:30,320 --> 03:44:30,780
Commissioner Lee.

2690
03:44:32,380 --> 03:44:33,120
Commissioner Kutschai.

2691
03:44:33,860 --> 03:44:34,480
Mr. Glazer.

2692
03:44:36,160 --> 03:44:36,560
Commissioner Mason.

2693
03:44:37,720 --> 03:44:38,260
Chairman Hack.

2694
03:44:38,380 --> 03:44:38,620
Hi.

2695
03:44:38,900 --> 03:44:40,180
The eyes have it, Mr. Chairman.

2696
03:44:40,700 --> 03:44:42,400
The vote is unanimous.

2697
03:44:42,560 --> 03:44:44,160
Staff will prepare those.

2698
03:44:45,260 --> 03:44:47,860
Planning is a fact, recommending approval with conditions

2699
03:44:48,380 --> 03:44:49,940
as indicated by the commission.

2700
03:44:50,340 --> 03:44:53,160
And we'll have it at your next meeting, which is April 16th.

2701
03:44:54,280 --> 03:44:56,660
There will be no additional notice for that meeting,

2702
03:44:56,860 --> 03:44:59,900
so the notice is actual, but that meeting will be taking place.

2703
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:11,860
At 730 PM in this room, a city hall on the 16th of April. The matter of design review will also be taken up that night, Mr. Chairman, and appropriately on the agenda.

2704
03:45:12,560 --> 03:45:13,100
Thank you.

2705
03:45:13,140 --> 03:45:13,400
Thank you.

2706
03:45:13,780 --> 03:45:14,100
Thank you.

2707
03:45:15,080 --> 03:45:19,020
So I'd recommend a motion to continue this item to the next meeting.

2708
03:45:19,420 --> 03:45:19,600
Yes.

2709
03:45:20,480 --> 03:45:21,260
That's a very good one.

2710
03:45:21,340 --> 03:45:24,820
Another motion to continue this item to the next meeting.

2711
03:45:24,820 --> 03:45:29,360
Some of their second second seconds

2712
03:45:29,360 --> 03:45:30,800
all in favor of our

2713
03:45:30,800 --> 03:45:31,780
Hi

2714
03:45:31,780 --> 03:45:33,720
You do the most carries

2715
03:45:36,570 --> 03:45:38,780
We do this fan that thing

2716
03:45:40,240 --> 03:45:40,320
Yeah

2717
03:45:40,320 --> 03:45:41,900
Yeah, I

2718
03:45:41,900 --> 03:45:42,220
Second

2719
03:45:42,220 --> 03:45:44,780
I can't hear it doesn't matter

2720
03:45:44,780 --> 03:45:47,080
I don't hear you just say that but

2721
03:45:47,080 --> 03:45:48,200
So this year

2722
03:45:48,530 --> 03:45:50,320
I can't hear it

2723
03:45:50,320 --> 03:45:52,260
Oh, can you really that here?

2724
03:45:52,440 --> 03:45:52,700
Please

2725
03:45:52,700 --> 03:45:55,200
I can't even know what it is for you.

2726
03:45:55,260 --> 03:45:57,160
I'll figure something out.

2727
03:45:57,160 --> 03:46:02,080
I'm gonna do mine too because I have a lot of money.

2728
03:46:03,500 --> 03:46:05,460
Okay, so you know you want to do mine?

2729
03:46:05,740 --> 03:46:07,740
I was gonna carry her back to the office.

2730
03:46:08,180 --> 03:46:10,020
I can't leave stuff here at the city hall.

2731
03:46:10,960 --> 03:46:13,960
I'm gonna have all of them back here.

2732
03:46:14,940 --> 03:46:15,340
Okay.

2733
03:46:15,880 --> 03:46:16,120
No.

2734
03:46:16,740 --> 03:46:16,980
No.

2735
03:46:18,500 --> 03:46:19,680
Sir, I guess?

2736
03:46:20,360 --> 03:46:21,080
No, we can't.

2737
03:46:22,880 --> 03:46:25,800
We're going to move fast.

2738
03:46:26,060 --> 03:46:30,240
I don't need a motion, then we'll continue the next item.

2739
03:46:30,460 --> 03:46:33,100
Mr. Chairman, there is one last book in here this evening.

2740
03:46:34,220 --> 03:46:37,520
And as I know, it is the chairman's prerogative on that item,

2741
03:46:37,600 --> 03:46:38,820
but I just call that up.

2742
03:46:40,460 --> 03:46:43,080
What's the agenda look like for 16?

2743
03:46:44,920 --> 03:46:45,440
16.

2744
03:46:46,300 --> 03:46:46,680
16.

2745
03:46:46,860 --> 03:46:47,160
Thank you.

2746
03:46:47,160 --> 03:46:55,940
I've got Audi, did you have one of the world blindings on the 16th that are inclusionary,

2747
03:46:56,500 --> 03:46:58,660
inclusionary in the brother gate?

2748
03:46:59,200 --> 03:46:59,980
Cheers, don't.

2749
03:47:00,420 --> 03:47:01,560
Yeah, it's a big meeting.

2750
03:47:02,100 --> 03:47:03,180
Shall we throw?

2751
03:47:04,660 --> 03:47:06,460
We'll see if they make it back to that meeting.

2752
03:47:06,660 --> 03:47:10,220
I know that was continued to that, but that's what we have.

2753
03:47:10,860 --> 03:47:12,300
All the rest is mine.

2754
03:47:12,720 --> 03:47:14,340
We're not going to be able to take it.

2755
03:47:14,340 --> 03:47:15,900
Okay, you want to get your stuff in the face, sir?

2756
03:47:16,000 --> 03:47:17,960
Hold on, let's call it up.

2757
03:47:17,960 --> 03:47:19,200
I'll just go over here.

2758
03:47:19,560 --> 03:47:19,760
Seriously?

2759
03:47:20,120 --> 03:47:21,620
Uh, so I just got buried in the face.

2760
03:47:21,740 --> 03:47:23,020
They're still out there.

2761
03:47:25,820 --> 03:47:26,240
So...

2762
03:47:26,240 --> 03:47:26,580
Yeah.

2763
03:47:28,340 --> 03:47:29,580
April 16th, V.H.

2764
03:47:29,580 --> 03:47:30,160
I was 35.

2765
03:47:30,860 --> 03:47:34,720
Uh, she does not, we have the Northwood Middle School Design Review.

2766
03:47:35,620 --> 03:47:37,780
I exchange a minor amendment.

2767
03:47:37,780 --> 03:47:38,380
Pretty bad.

2768
03:47:39,060 --> 03:47:40,040
Hold on, let's do that.

2769
03:47:40,400 --> 03:47:41,600
I'd be pretty sure he has it.

2770
03:47:41,600 --> 03:47:45,720
There's also some concern, I don't think we saw anything about this in the packet.

2771
03:47:46,600 --> 03:47:47,100
What's that?

2772
03:47:47,100 --> 03:47:48,300
The acorn lane.

2773
03:47:48,700 --> 03:47:49,260
Who's in there?

2774
03:47:49,500 --> 03:47:52,280
It's starting on page 505.

2775
03:47:52,940 --> 03:47:55,100
It's not calling this, it doesn't mean I meet you.

2776
03:47:55,440 --> 03:47:57,860
Yeah, it's the list one.

2777
03:47:57,960 --> 03:47:59,400
Yeah, I don't mean anything.

2778
03:47:59,420 --> 03:47:59,820
Thank you.

2779
03:48:01,220 --> 03:48:02,580
Yeah, I don't know what to do.

2780
03:48:02,820 --> 03:48:03,960
No one need comments.

2781
03:48:11,600 --> 03:48:13,460
I don't know where any issue is, because we do.

2782
03:48:13,700 --> 03:48:17,700
Mr. Chair, one moment all the conferred here with Director Fontaineble.

2783
03:48:17,780 --> 03:48:20,180
We do have a lot on the agenda, Mr. Chair, in particular,

2784
03:48:20,340 --> 03:48:25,120
if it's Chairman Crow, we will discuss that with Chairman Crow.

2785
03:48:27,220 --> 03:48:29,900
See, if they will be prepared for that meeting.

2786
03:48:32,960 --> 03:48:34,700
It's going to be tough, Mr. Chairman.

2787
03:48:34,780 --> 03:48:39,040
There's a lot on the agenda, so I don't know how many people

2788
03:48:39,040 --> 03:48:44,620
here tonight either on what the same you're saying otherwise if we could do it

2789
03:48:44,620 --> 03:48:49,060
on 16th it's gonna be another long very long meeting too um what what

2790
03:48:49,060 --> 03:48:54,400
is there anybody here yeah yeah there are people here who who's here

2791
03:48:54,400 --> 03:49:00,240
oh yeah yeah I mean look if it's 10 after 11 I do if we can I don't know how much time

2792
03:49:00,240 --> 03:49:08,580
we need but I mean if we can get through this quickly fine but otherwise I would ask

2793
03:49:08,580 --> 03:49:13,400
through your Mr. Chairman, maybe you can inquire with folks here if they're here for

2794
03:49:13,400 --> 03:49:19,600
the applicant or the butters, I just don't know who's here tonight right now.

2795
03:49:19,940 --> 03:49:24,800
Mr. Chairman, I'll tell you what's going to be up for the applicant. This is a

2796
03:49:24,800 --> 03:49:28,800
tool that's subdivision. I'm just thinking of one variation. I think we can get through

2797
03:49:28,800 --> 03:49:34,940
this very quickly because the issues are very transparent and so this is not a complicated

2798
03:49:34,940 --> 03:49:35,420
issue.

2799
03:49:36,260 --> 03:49:36,520
All of that.

2800
03:49:41,510 --> 03:49:42,030
10 minutes.

2801
03:49:42,370 --> 03:49:42,790
All right.

2802
03:49:43,130 --> 03:49:44,970
You've got three minutes.

2803
03:49:46,030 --> 03:49:46,430
You've got three minutes.

2804
03:49:46,430 --> 03:49:46,970
I'm running.

2805
03:49:48,050 --> 03:49:48,230
Okay.

2806
03:49:48,510 --> 03:49:50,490
Is this a new one?

2807
03:49:51,010 --> 03:49:51,950
Is this a public hearing?

2808
03:49:52,550 --> 03:49:52,960
It is not.

2809
03:49:53,890 --> 03:49:54,650
And then you don't need to.

2810
03:49:54,790 --> 03:49:55,810
No public hearing.

2811
03:49:56,410 --> 03:49:57,350
You've got three minutes.

2812
03:49:57,530 --> 03:49:58,470
You've got three minutes.

2813
03:49:58,910 --> 03:49:59,550
Let's say I've done.

2814
03:50:00,050 --> 03:50:00,430
Of course.

2815
03:50:02,250 --> 03:50:05,250
This will be taken up by the city council.

2816
03:50:05,470 --> 03:50:08,510
What I'm on there was notice about that as well.

2817
03:50:11,510 --> 03:50:22,710
So the plan design conditions, consideration of this type of application is actually limited in scope, so I'll provide the brief background and go from there.

2818
03:50:22,830 --> 03:50:26,310
So I'll try and move through this very quickly. Then if there are questions, please let me know.

2819
03:50:26,310 --> 03:50:36,470
This is the subject property. It is 62 a corn lane. It's one ownership property. It's three separate tax parcels. Those are tax parcels.

2820
03:50:36,670 --> 03:50:38,530
Those don't correspond to buildable water.

2821
03:50:39,190 --> 03:50:40,290
This is correct.

2822
03:50:40,490 --> 03:50:42,330
It's just one property.

2823
03:50:42,930 --> 03:50:47,190
And they want the applicant proposes to subdivide it into two buildable lots.

2824
03:50:48,070 --> 03:50:49,790
So this is an aerial property.

2825
03:50:50,290 --> 03:50:54,290
This is the hole that's on it right now. The applicant proposes to divide and do.

2826
03:50:54,290 --> 03:50:57,330
provide a new property down here.

2827
03:50:58,110 --> 03:51:03,070
A very quickly, so this is a minor pre-limiter and final plan of subdivision by the applicant

2828
03:51:03,070 --> 03:51:04,530
property owner, Marjorick.

2829
03:51:05,030 --> 03:51:07,470
It's one existing property with one single-family home.

2830
03:51:07,510 --> 03:51:10,790
The applicant proposes two billable lots for two single-family homes.

2831
03:51:11,210 --> 03:51:12,550
One variation is required.

2832
03:51:12,730 --> 03:51:15,190
There's also an engineering division memo within the packet.

2833
03:51:15,510 --> 03:51:19,910
The storm suit will be required ultimately with any type of new construction.

2834
03:51:20,290 --> 03:51:21,850
If the plant is approved.

2835
03:51:21,850 --> 03:51:30,370
There were neighborhood comments included in the packet, this neighbor submitted comments, and this neighbor submitted comments.

2836
03:51:31,090 --> 03:51:32,110
Do we have those?

2837
03:51:33,270 --> 03:51:33,670
Yes.

2838
03:51:34,010 --> 03:51:34,610
Yes, chair.

2839
03:51:35,110 --> 03:51:36,490
Of course they are not actually.

2840
03:51:37,010 --> 03:51:38,850
So are those lines still the pin?

2841
03:51:38,930 --> 03:51:39,390
Five, nine.

2842
03:51:39,390 --> 03:51:39,890
Yes.

2843
03:51:40,090 --> 03:51:42,490
These white lines are pins.

2844
03:51:43,110 --> 03:51:43,930
So do you have those?

2845
03:51:43,930 --> 03:51:45,350
Where's the picture of the subdivision?

2846
03:51:45,550 --> 03:51:46,150
Yes, sir.

2847
03:51:46,350 --> 03:51:47,290
Moving on.

2848
03:51:47,790 --> 03:51:51,830
So to the left here we have an existing flat of survey that shows the price.

2849
03:51:51,830 --> 03:51:55,190
property, should the right here? This is what's proposed.

2850
03:51:56,230 --> 03:51:59,570
One, and then one, two, which is the smaller one on the bottom.

2851
03:52:00,590 --> 03:52:05,510
So it gives you an idea of where their house is at and how they want to subdivide it.

2852
03:52:05,810 --> 03:52:08,890
When you say two buildable lads, you certainly.

2853
03:52:09,130 --> 03:52:12,070
One, the existing structure is going to remain.

2854
03:52:12,670 --> 03:52:14,730
As far as we know, that is absolutely correct.

2855
03:52:15,830 --> 03:52:16,290
Thank you.

2856
03:52:16,810 --> 03:52:22,990
So, that would speculate that as far as we know about some of the African submitted,

2857
03:52:23,970 --> 03:52:27,610
the existing house, at least for the foreseeable future will remain,

2858
03:52:27,830 --> 03:52:31,990
they could tear it out if they wanted to go to the HPC process for consideration.

2859
03:52:32,710 --> 03:52:37,830
And then they probably had to send a bill that's full on the proposal at two.

2860
03:52:38,150 --> 03:52:42,230
Is the lot too in compliance with their zoning code for their neighborhood?

2861
03:52:45,650 --> 03:52:50,030
I'm not just really quick, this is all in the report, it's a complicit dependency requirements.

2862
03:52:50,550 --> 03:52:54,930
This is in the offer zoning district, the minimum square footage is 20,000 square feet.

2863
03:52:54,990 --> 03:52:59,610
Both are going to exceed that they meet the minimum average widths.

2864
03:52:59,630 --> 03:53:02,170
This is a table that included in the packet.

2865
03:53:02,550 --> 03:53:05,070
Green means good, red means issue.

2866
03:53:05,070 --> 03:53:12,290
So there was an issue for the Council that considered related to the requirement for

2867
03:53:12,590 --> 03:53:13,770
Storm Sewer.

2868
03:53:14,150 --> 03:53:17,970
And then the reason why this is before the Plan and Design Commission today, it's because

2869
03:53:17,970 --> 03:53:24,390
a very issue this saw, and I will discuss that now, so this is the section of code, relationship

2870
03:53:24,390 --> 03:53:25,250
to Streets.

2871
03:53:25,630 --> 03:53:27,490
This is the subdivision code, by the way.

2872
03:53:27,810 --> 03:53:31,430
Each slap shall have principle of funding on a public street through lots of prohibited.

2873
03:53:32,670 --> 03:53:35,850
This is not a public-straight of cornlane as a private lane.

2874
03:53:36,170 --> 03:53:39,250
This is a private road with a 30-foot wide right away.

2875
03:53:39,670 --> 03:53:42,550
Surface with asphalt and this is approximately 12 feet wide.

2876
03:53:43,710 --> 03:53:45,550
The proposed subdivision is not extended.

2877
03:53:45,690 --> 03:53:47,690
It does not propose to extend a cornlane.

2878
03:53:48,050 --> 03:53:51,590
Not only for insisting homes on the south of a cornlane that would be equal to greater

2879
03:53:51,590 --> 03:53:54,050
in distance from the Lawrence Lane axis point.

2880
03:53:55,650 --> 03:53:57,850
A few pictures really quick. This is looking south.

2881
03:53:58,090 --> 03:53:59,950
I'm at Lawrence Lane looking south.

2882
03:53:59,950 --> 03:54:03,150
So the subdivision is all the way back into the right.

2883
03:54:03,350 --> 03:54:05,130
So this is what a coin lane looks like.

2884
03:54:05,210 --> 03:54:06,870
It's a private road as I stated.

2885
03:54:07,770 --> 03:54:09,010
This is a coin lane again.

2886
03:54:09,130 --> 03:54:11,770
This is me looking north towards the access point

2887
03:54:11,770 --> 03:54:13,170
at Lawrence Lane.

2888
03:54:14,410 --> 03:54:16,930
This is the applicant's home right now.

2889
03:54:17,130 --> 03:54:18,410
And this is the subject property.

2890
03:54:18,730 --> 03:54:20,950
And this is like I said, this is the existing home on it.

2891
03:54:21,190 --> 03:54:25,250
Essentially, they want to subdivide a new one on the south side,

2892
03:54:25,350 --> 03:54:28,210
which is kind of like this mature treaty growth

2893
03:54:28,210 --> 03:54:30,730
It's occurring, and then that's the closest neighbor to the South.

2894
03:54:30,910 --> 03:54:33,730
They submitted one of the emails in the packet.

2895
03:54:34,290 --> 03:54:35,670
Again, moving on, right across.

2896
03:54:36,050 --> 03:54:38,490
This is just a photo of the neighbor to the South,

2897
03:54:38,950 --> 03:54:41,250
and shows kind of what a lot of line is.

2898
03:54:41,290 --> 03:54:42,830
Obviously, I don't know where it is exactly,

2899
03:54:43,110 --> 03:54:44,090
but it's somewhat in there,

2900
03:54:44,350 --> 03:54:46,230
between when that mature tree growth is,

2901
03:54:46,250 --> 03:54:47,730
and then where there are properties on the South.

2902
03:54:47,930 --> 03:54:51,570
So they'd want to put a driveway into the private lane,

2903
03:54:51,810 --> 03:54:54,030
instead of a public, and that's why they're asking us

2904
03:54:54,030 --> 03:54:54,670
for the variance.

2905
03:54:54,870 --> 03:54:55,690
That is correct.

2906
03:54:55,690 --> 03:55:02,110
And why, and it seemed like the neighbors were upset because there's seven and four streets said no, because

2907
03:55:02,110 --> 03:55:04,190
74 trees coming down.

2908
03:55:04,410 --> 03:55:06,870
Yes, I've come to forestry in just a moment, but you're correct.

2909
03:55:09,430 --> 03:55:11,330
Speaking of forestry, I'll come to that now.

2910
03:55:12,290 --> 03:55:15,410
So, there was an engine line, I'm going to try to keep this going fast.

2911
03:55:15,770 --> 03:55:20,110
So, the engine and animation did seem like a, uh, uh, a, um,

2912
03:55:20,190 --> 03:55:24,370
referral, this was included in the packet, uh, it has to be a string of sewer.

2913
03:55:25,790 --> 03:55:31,830
If the details on the report, I would refer you to their report, the storm sewers are not

2914
03:55:31,830 --> 03:55:36,470
configured by any crew, but the system is still a minor subdivision, and the gist of it is

2915
03:55:36,470 --> 03:55:40,490
that no proof if this is approved, if this is approved by council, no permit should be issued

2916
03:55:40,490 --> 03:55:44,010
by the city for the construction, and there is no structure on any of the subivalent

2917
03:55:44,010 --> 03:55:47,730
properties prior to the construction of the sewer and acceptance by that of the city.

2918
03:55:49,410 --> 03:55:54,210
Moving on, the forced revision counter, we have key on the facility on the sewer, at the end

2919
03:55:54,210 --> 03:55:54,970
this project?

2920
03:55:55,090 --> 03:55:57,790
I would like yes, because the city has to accept those improvements.

2921
03:55:58,190 --> 03:55:59,090
That's my understanding.

2922
03:56:01,190 --> 03:56:06,730
First for division, the memo did state concern for key protected inherited trees on site.

2923
03:56:06,910 --> 03:56:09,590
I do want to be very clear about the forestry memo.

2924
03:56:10,070 --> 03:56:10,890
We asked them for a memo.

2925
03:56:11,050 --> 03:56:11,430
It's important.

2926
03:56:11,610 --> 03:56:15,490
We want that information put out for public consumption.

2927
03:56:16,030 --> 03:56:19,070
There is not a tree standard within the subdivision code.

2928
03:56:19,310 --> 03:56:20,930
So there's no violation request of that.

2929
03:56:20,930 --> 03:56:22,010
There's no tree standard.

2930
03:56:22,590 --> 03:56:35,310
And important now, if the subdivision is approved, that approval does not obligate the zoning board of appeals to approve any registry variation from Chapter 94, that may be required to build on any newly created lots.

2931
03:56:38,860 --> 03:56:39,340
Yes, sir.

2932
03:56:39,360 --> 03:56:45,660
Does the width of the lock that's being created have any impact on the variation they're asking for?

2933
03:56:45,900 --> 03:56:46,480
No, no, sir.

2934
03:56:46,680 --> 03:56:50,700
They comply with zoning and subdivision requirements for a lot with.

2935
03:56:50,700 --> 03:56:51,480
Okay.

2936
03:56:51,660 --> 03:56:52,560
More than a normal stance.

2937
03:56:52,700 --> 03:56:55,000
So this just gets the plan of the Commission's consideration.

2938
03:56:57,620 --> 03:56:58,960
This is a more sub-division.

2939
03:56:59,120 --> 03:57:01,480
My sub-divisions are the code.

2940
03:57:02,000 --> 03:57:03,180
I only go to the chair.

2941
03:57:03,640 --> 03:57:05,020
The chair just looks at it.

2942
03:57:05,020 --> 03:57:07,200
And if the chair agrees, the chair signs it.

2943
03:57:07,440 --> 03:57:08,820
And then it goes onto the city council.

2944
03:57:08,960 --> 03:57:13,800
There is no public hearing for sub-divisions.

2945
03:57:14,460 --> 03:57:17,680
There are doors have a public meeting at city council.

2946
03:57:17,680 --> 03:57:22,620
And that is noticed with letters, staff takes care of that.

2947
03:57:23,520 --> 03:57:29,740
So the plan in design commissions consideration or role in this, in this particular application,

2948
03:57:30,420 --> 03:57:31,720
as to do with this section from code.

2949
03:57:31,940 --> 03:57:36,020
And it says that the variations from these regulations shall not be granted as the right.

2950
03:57:36,080 --> 03:57:38,720
However, the plan commission may recommend, in the City Council,

2951
03:57:38,780 --> 03:57:42,480
make grant variations from the regulations contained in the subdivision code.

2952
03:57:42,780 --> 03:57:46,960
In specific cases, which do not affect a general plan

2953
03:57:46,960 --> 03:57:52,060
or the spirit of the subdivision code, and it goes on and says such recommendations shall be communicated to the city council and writing.

2954
03:57:52,680 --> 03:58:00,160
Um, so the standard, if you're asking me, well, what is the standard? How should we know if we should recommend approval of this variation or not?

2955
03:58:00,520 --> 03:58:06,100
The standard is in specific cases to not affect the general plan or the spirit of the subdivision code.

2956
03:58:06,580 --> 03:58:14,920
And then in my next two slides, I have the seven intent and purpose statements from the subdivision code.

2957
03:58:14,920 --> 03:58:21,440
These are not necessarily a general plan of the spirit for sale, but this is the intent and purpose in gets to that.

2958
03:58:21,760 --> 03:58:24,860
And I can of course come back to these as the Plan Design Commission, deliberate.

2959
03:58:25,280 --> 03:58:27,440
I believe I'm almost done. I have one more slide.

2960
03:58:28,680 --> 03:58:35,400
Recommendation. So yes, the city staff just recommends the Plan Design Commission to consider the proposed minor preliminary final plan of subdivision.

2961
03:58:35,620 --> 03:58:37,800
And the great recommendation regarding the request of variation.

2962
03:58:38,580 --> 03:58:44,480
If the Plan Design Commission is ready to make a recommendation, the application has been noticed at the request of the applicant.

2963
03:58:44,480 --> 03:58:49,120
for the Aprilet City Council meeting, you know, you're not obligated to make a decision.

2964
03:58:49,260 --> 03:58:52,600
Of course, you can recommend it or not, staff will re-noticed as appropriate.

2965
03:58:53,780 --> 03:58:57,860
I will state, normally this is my last comment, and I can take questions.

2966
03:58:58,860 --> 03:59:03,320
I will state that the way this is normal done for money subdivisions is staff just provides

2967
03:59:03,320 --> 03:59:09,460
a very simple document for the child's sign, and so I do have a document here that

2968
03:59:09,460 --> 03:59:13,500
check inside and I can if if the plan design commission is considering

2969
03:59:13,500 --> 03:59:18,260
upgrading uh recommending approval of the variation tonight I can pass these

2970
03:59:18,260 --> 03:59:21,640
documents as well for your review before any final action occurs so.

2971
03:59:22,540 --> 03:59:27,940
Do we know what the history of this area is, why is the street private, how many

2972
03:59:29,360 --> 03:59:30,680
blocks are there?

2973
03:59:30,980 --> 03:59:31,720
Yes absolutely.

2974
03:59:31,960 --> 03:59:34,360
But what do we know about all of this?

2975
03:59:34,460 --> 03:59:38,400
There are, I believe there are 10 blocks, I'll comment real quick, just to make sure I'm

2976
03:59:38,400 --> 03:59:38,660
right.

2977
03:59:38,660 --> 03:59:41,490
No, they're actually not here.

2978
03:59:44,180 --> 03:59:51,520
5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and then this is number 10 because it serves that serve by its own driveway

2979
03:59:52,420 --> 03:59:54,460
or on private road here.

2980
03:59:54,960 --> 03:59:59,680
So there are 10 total and now single family residents is served by this in terms of history.

2981
04:00:00,020 --> 04:00:17,980
I believe the first subdivision for this area was the McKillup 1 in 1927. I do think I had that in my report and that's also when the Bitcoin line was established, you know, with or can count with that subdivision in the curf and 1927.

2982
04:00:19,560 --> 04:00:25,600
a little strange when Googleman's subdivision occurred later, I think in the 40s or 50s,

2983
04:00:25,980 --> 04:00:31,120
they actually called their strict here of public interest in egress easements, but the

2984
04:00:31,120 --> 04:00:34,540
rest of it from here on North for May the private wing.

2985
04:00:35,780 --> 04:00:39,740
It's too bad our new one like the day I can't understand where I'm going to remember that,

2986
04:00:39,840 --> 04:00:42,100
and he can tell us about it.

2987
04:00:42,240 --> 04:00:45,840
I can say this the most recent subdivision to occur on this block.

2988
04:00:45,840 --> 04:00:50,420
I think it's called the A for subdivision. It's from 1991.

2989
04:00:51,260 --> 04:00:53,400
That was up here and evidently at the time.

2990
04:00:53,600 --> 04:00:56,380
It was not a requirement for a run-of-way dedication.

2991
04:00:57,560 --> 04:00:58,640
So we're going to...

2992
04:00:58,640 --> 04:01:00,960
I mean...

2993
04:01:00,960 --> 04:01:01,680
I'm sorry, sir.

2994
04:01:01,880 --> 04:01:07,560
It was one owner and they drew certain lines for, with certain meaning.

2995
04:01:07,920 --> 04:01:08,040
I mean what?

2996
04:01:08,300 --> 04:01:11,820
Me and back in 1927. I'm afraid I don't have that answer, sir.

2997
04:01:12,020 --> 04:01:12,420
As Tony.

2998
04:01:13,020 --> 04:01:13,740
Thank you, sir.

2999
04:01:15,340 --> 04:01:17,300
Let me ask you a different question, Commissioner.

3000
04:01:17,740 --> 04:01:18,760
I mean, a planner, perhaps.

3001
04:01:24,280 --> 04:01:27,220
I didn't mean to insult you.

3002
04:01:33,700 --> 04:01:38,360
The foresters recommendation is adverse to this.

3003
04:01:39,380 --> 04:01:41,520
And going back to my days on the zoning board,

3004
04:01:41,520 --> 04:01:51,120
It's always been hard for me to do anything other than follow a foresters recommendation, but you had a slide up there that talked about the zoning board's consideration

3005
04:01:51,120 --> 04:01:57,280
Yes, sir. Would the ordinary course here be that if if this body passed or recommended approval of this

3006
04:01:58,480 --> 04:01:59,480
that before

3007
04:02:00,980 --> 04:02:01,580
the

3008
04:02:01,580 --> 04:02:05,760
Heritage trees could be upset the zoning board would have to

3009
04:02:07,680 --> 04:02:08,120
considerate.

3010
04:02:08,620 --> 04:02:09,560
In fact, that's like correct.

3011
04:02:09,740 --> 04:02:11,120
Just rub briefly in some way.

3012
04:02:11,540 --> 04:02:13,260
So, you have correct the force to provide it.

3013
04:02:13,280 --> 04:02:16,380
I know that does that support this application?

3014
04:02:17,120 --> 04:02:21,980
I do want to make it clear that that's not a standard in the subdivision called true protection.

3015
04:02:23,080 --> 04:02:27,260
But within the answer, your question specifically, we don't want to put the application

3016
04:02:27,260 --> 04:02:35,740
and property on our notice that if they do, if they don't, if they don't,

3017
04:02:35,740 --> 04:02:39,880
unless they go to the zoning board of appeals, and there's no, of course, guaranteed it.

3018
04:02:39,920 --> 04:02:40,400
That would occur.

3019
04:02:40,600 --> 04:02:42,140
I'm not saying that.

3020
04:02:42,240 --> 04:02:44,000
I wasn't an inventory.

3021
04:02:45,560 --> 04:02:46,240
Excuse me.

3022
04:02:46,360 --> 04:02:49,540
There was a site plan that showed the tree locations approximately.

3023
04:02:50,300 --> 04:02:52,220
And that was just after the forester's memo.

3024
04:02:52,400 --> 04:02:54,100
And it did identify the heritage tree.

3025
04:02:55,560 --> 04:02:57,600
It's not in the middle of the billable area.

3026
04:02:57,740 --> 04:02:59,080
It is in the billable area.

3027
04:02:59,200 --> 04:03:00,180
Will it be impacted?

3028
04:03:00,440 --> 04:03:01,080
I don't know.

3029
04:03:01,260 --> 04:03:03,360
It's possible the applicant could design around it.

3030
04:03:03,360 --> 04:03:09,580
it's it could be in a worse position I'll say that and you know how many protected trees we're talking about

3031
04:03:09,580 --> 04:03:17,160
There's a few more than I think there's one here. Well, there are several heritage trees, but I think there's one specifically the force that was concerned with

3032
04:03:17,660 --> 04:03:26,780
I do not remember the number of protected and key trees in Miss chairman if I

3033
04:03:26,780 --> 04:03:32,840
If I may miss the chairman it's so the power is to date comments on this and and so

3034
04:03:33,360 --> 04:03:39,100
In his comments, it wasn't as precise as perhaps, maybe it could have been in terms of

3035
04:03:39,100 --> 04:03:41,800
he indicated in a support for the subdivision application.

3036
04:03:43,040 --> 04:03:48,000
What would be more precise is that if he said that he wouldn't be or didn't support removal

3037
04:03:48,000 --> 04:03:54,220
of the heritage trees on the site, which would be a subject of a chapter 94 variance consideration

3038
04:03:54,220 --> 04:03:59,180
by the Zoning Board of Field, which this decision has no bearing on. That's a separate

3039
04:03:59,180 --> 04:04:04,820
code and it applies. So as somebody comes in and looks for a building permit to build,

3040
04:04:05,380 --> 04:04:12,840
whatever structure is going to be posed with over home, if that necessitates a removal of a

3041
04:04:12,840 --> 04:04:18,360
heritage tree, it can't go forward until that variance is considered and approved. And so that's

3042
04:04:18,360 --> 04:04:24,380
our standard process and the forest would be involved in that as well. And so we provide the forest

3043
04:04:24,380 --> 04:04:31,040
these documents to review, so as to provide a heads up to applicants, so that they don't

3044
04:04:31,040 --> 04:04:35,660
find out, all the way down the road, having already subdivided and things, and no one said

3045
04:04:35,660 --> 04:04:40,520
anything, quote unquote, you know, about this issue. And even though it's not app for this

3046
04:04:40,520 --> 04:04:45,340
consideration, it's still nonetheless a service to customers to provide that awareness,

3047
04:04:45,880 --> 04:04:50,020
and so that things don't get missed down the line, and then people get a little ahead

3048
04:04:50,020 --> 04:04:56,120
themselves over their skis, if you will, and that just becomes more problematic for everyone

3049
04:04:56,120 --> 04:04:56,640
about.

3050
04:04:59,180 --> 04:04:59,580
Thank you.

3051
04:04:59,780 --> 04:05:00,720
I just wanted to make that clarification.

3052
04:05:00,780 --> 04:05:01,540
I have a question.

3053
04:05:02,160 --> 04:05:07,560
After the sewer is put in, it was mentioned in the packet that there's flooding concerns

3054
04:05:07,560 --> 04:05:08,380
in the area.

3055
04:05:09,280 --> 04:05:19,240
Is it the expectation by the city that the owners along A-Corn would have to pay for the

3056
04:05:19,240 --> 04:05:21,540
act or an optional act.

3057
04:05:24,020 --> 04:05:28,020
My understanding is that this comes from the infill development ordinance, this is how

3058
04:05:28,020 --> 04:05:32,860
I put that's not normally my more corporate competence, mine is the subdivision code in

3059
04:05:32,860 --> 04:05:33,820
this zoning code.

3060
04:05:33,920 --> 04:05:40,340
So I will not speak beyond which I know but I think there's a there's like a 250 square foot threshold.

3061
04:05:41,020 --> 04:05:45,040
If you meet or exceed that infill development ordinance says that you have to tie in

3062
04:05:45,040 --> 04:05:47,220
if feasible to the storm sewer.

3063
04:05:47,220 --> 04:06:00,080
So, the way this may work is there are conditions being placed on this proposal here that before they could ever pull a building permit on a new any new structure for any of the two new lots

3064
04:06:00,760 --> 04:06:12,440
The owner or their successor would have to have this storm sewer installed all the way from Lawrence Lane down down to their property and then to answer a question about the other properties that are up

3065
04:06:12,440 --> 04:06:19,500
They would only be triggered to tie into that if they met that infield development ordinance.

3066
04:06:19,820 --> 04:06:26,720
But I can't comment on terms of who's going to pay for what I refer to the engineering divisions memo.

3067
04:06:28,620 --> 04:06:32,360
Depending on what development they're doing, they would either trigger connecting in or not.

3068
04:06:32,660 --> 04:06:34,040
But it could stay as is.

3069
04:06:34,840 --> 04:06:35,320
They don't.

3070
04:06:35,440 --> 04:06:38,700
Now this doesn't necessitate everyone to do anything in spend money.

3071
04:06:38,840 --> 04:06:41,000
Now this subdivision approval will not do that.

3072
04:06:41,000 --> 04:06:45,780
It necessitates the certain improvement, but it doesn't necessitate everyone else connecting

3073
04:06:45,780 --> 04:06:46,980
into that improvement.

3074
04:06:47,320 --> 04:06:51,160
Although they would have rights to them.

3075
04:06:51,180 --> 04:06:52,060
They'd have answers to them.

3076
04:06:52,560 --> 04:06:56,780
They could, but they wouldn't have to if they're doing nothing, but if they do certain things like

3077
04:06:56,780 --> 04:07:01,520
Carl mentions, they could trigger needing to do that, and since it's available, they

3078
04:07:01,520 --> 04:07:05,340
could be made to do that if they were doing some sort of additional development themselves.

3079
04:07:08,400 --> 04:07:10,760
I see the, I'm sorry, I see a aerial again.

3080
04:07:10,760 --> 04:07:15,560
Yes sir. How many lines are on the east side of the street? How many are on the west?

3081
04:07:17,660 --> 04:07:19,460
How many on the east and how many are on the west?

3082
04:07:20,600 --> 04:07:27,400
So on the west there are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Five counting the subject property.

3083
04:07:28,140 --> 04:07:33,120
On the east, just those properties that take their access off of Vacorn Lane.

3084
04:07:33,400 --> 04:07:37,400
You know there are two up here but they don't take their access off of Vacorn Lane.

3085
04:07:37,400 --> 04:07:44,840
Then you have 1, 2, 3, 4, and then the fifth one here that's a lot of depth, the 5.

3086
04:07:45,580 --> 04:07:53,540
So the 5 on the west is the subject parcel in its current form, not subdivide.

3087
04:07:54,060 --> 04:07:57,940
Correct, there's an integral B6 lots, then if we approve this.

3088
04:07:57,940 --> 04:07:58,740
You correct sir.

3089
04:08:00,740 --> 04:08:02,120
Yeah, 5 and 1.

3090
04:08:09,460 --> 04:08:13,140
Thank you sir.

3091
04:08:13,780 --> 04:08:15,120
Mr. Bernstein.

3092
04:08:18,760 --> 04:08:25,040
I just cut the chasing go to the questions that were asked with regards to the trials.

3093
04:08:25,440 --> 04:08:28,900
At the end of the mirror from the city forest where you mentioned there are 74 trees.

3094
04:08:29,100 --> 04:08:30,720
But that's including both lots.

3095
04:08:30,720 --> 04:08:37,140
And many of the heritage trees that he talks about are actually on lap one, which is with the existing home is located.

3096
04:08:37,740 --> 04:08:44,060
Lot 2 is one that they're trying to create, planted there are trees on that property also, like any other property that would be.

3097
04:08:44,760 --> 04:08:50,300
But there's one heritage tree that is, that the city forest are focused on.

3098
04:08:51,440 --> 04:08:57,920
We don't know where the footprint of a house potentially can go on this property, there's no proposal to do that.

3099
04:08:57,920 --> 04:09:01,060
there's, this is just trying to create, this is a,

3100
04:09:01,060 --> 04:09:03,160
a two acre of blot, this is bushing.

3101
04:09:03,440 --> 04:09:06,740
This is a two acre lat in area where lots are much smaller

3102
04:09:06,740 --> 04:09:08,580
than that, trying to create an additional,

3103
04:09:08,840 --> 04:09:10,740
whether it will be sold, whether it will be developed,

3104
04:09:11,060 --> 04:09:11,480
who knows?

3105
04:09:11,820 --> 04:09:14,400
But we're trying to create, this is, as a matter of right

3106
04:09:14,400 --> 04:09:17,260
and we thought, when we originally filed the application

3107
04:09:17,260 --> 04:09:19,140
that we wouldn't be before you,

3108
04:09:19,160 --> 04:09:20,860
that we would be just going to the city council

3109
04:09:20,860 --> 04:09:23,160
at that, and that the chairman of the Plan Commission

3110
04:09:23,160 --> 04:09:25,980
would just be signing this as a matter of right

3111
04:09:25,980 --> 04:09:31,200
to go forward. In fact, that was done back in February, and then we discovered that acorn

3112
04:09:31,200 --> 04:09:37,660
lane was a private road, which triggered this variation procedure. So this was, this was

3113
04:09:37,660 --> 04:09:41,760
we done back in February, we were supposed to be a council, and then this was triggered when

3114
04:09:41,760 --> 04:09:47,160
we discovered that acorn lane was a, was a private road, not the answer. Commissioner leaves

3115
04:09:47,160 --> 04:09:52,440
a question with regards to the water before you leave it. So as part of the process that you're

3116
04:09:52,440 --> 04:09:57,500
us to consider and that you want us to approve. No trees are coming down.

3117
04:09:57,900 --> 04:10:00,260
No, at this point, no.

3118
04:10:01,100 --> 04:10:02,460
Building from it.

3119
04:10:02,700 --> 04:10:06,980
Yeah, if the properties ever developed, then there'll be most likely

3120
04:10:06,980 --> 04:10:10,300
there'll be trees that removed and the heritage tree will have to be dealt with,

3121
04:10:10,380 --> 04:10:14,720
either be built around or they'd have to separate process and go to the zoning board with this.

3122
04:10:14,720 --> 04:10:19,980
But there is no proposal currently in place to develop this lot,

3123
04:10:19,980 --> 04:10:28,480
develop a house in the slot. Okay, so all you're asking us to do is to permit the additional

3124
04:10:29,080 --> 04:10:36,000
lot, but no, that doesn't impact this vote would not impact the subject of the forester's memo.

3125
04:10:36,580 --> 04:10:41,580
No, we have nothing to do with them. And then the other issue is with regard to, in response to

3126
04:10:42,140 --> 04:10:46,420
the two letters that came from the neighbors who are talking about the stormwater. Currently there is no

3127
04:10:46,420 --> 04:10:49,760
storm sewer on anywhere on a corn lane.

3128
04:10:50,160 --> 04:10:52,480
And so one of the conditions, and current point to

3129
04:10:52,480 --> 04:10:55,660
this out, is in the infill ordinance, is that if you're

3130
04:10:55,660 --> 04:10:57,640
creating a lot, you need to create a storm sewer.

3131
04:10:57,900 --> 04:11:00,640
So what the applicant is agreed to is a covenant that would

3132
04:11:00,640 --> 04:11:02,860
run with a land would be recorded against the property.

3133
04:11:03,200 --> 04:11:06,260
If the subdivision is approved, and that covenant would say

3134
04:11:06,260 --> 04:11:11,040
that if this lot is developed, then whoever owns the property

3135
04:11:11,040 --> 04:11:16,040
will have to build a storm sewer from lords with the street

3136
04:11:16,040 --> 04:11:22,340
to the north, all the way to this property in order to address any possible concerns regarding

3137
04:11:22,340 --> 04:11:26,440
stormwater runoff from the additional house into that, into that acorn lane.

3138
04:11:26,720 --> 04:11:31,320
So that's, that'll only be triggered if this lots of never developed, that stormwater won't,

3139
04:11:31,400 --> 04:11:36,500
that storm sewer won't be built, but if the lot is developed, then whoever owns that lot is

3140
04:11:36,500 --> 04:11:39,140
obligated to build a storm sewer at their cost.

3141
04:11:39,640 --> 04:11:40,160
Question for you.

3142
04:11:40,740 --> 04:11:43,840
Will that sewer be sized to handle the whole neighborhood?

3143
04:11:45,260 --> 04:11:48,360
That was not discussed with the engineer.

3144
04:11:48,960 --> 04:11:53,420
That could be done under that scenario, what I would anticipate if that happens is that

3145
04:11:53,420 --> 04:11:57,060
they would go to the neighbors and say you interested, and then at that point there probably

3146
04:11:57,060 --> 04:12:02,240
be a recapture agreement, which would provide that those neighbors if they tap in would

3147
04:12:02,240 --> 04:12:04,380
have to contribute to the size of that storm sewer.

3148
04:12:04,900 --> 04:12:06,120
I thought I'm wrong, maybe.

3149
04:12:06,120 --> 04:12:09,780
I mean, the storm sewer is urban, gutter, right?

3150
04:12:09,920 --> 04:12:14,900
I mean, very, very, very, I mean, everybody just drained it under their line now.

3151
04:12:15,060 --> 04:12:21,820
The almost ran a lot, and there's a swell that's directly west of acorn lane, or acorn lane

3152
04:12:21,820 --> 04:12:22,540
drains into.

3153
04:12:22,960 --> 04:12:26,160
So basically, everyone's, the water water is being drained on site right now.

3154
04:12:26,460 --> 04:12:30,480
I believe there's a sanitary, I've there as a sanitary, so there's a sanitary sewer,

3155
04:12:30,720 --> 04:12:31,600
but no storm sewer.

3156
04:12:31,600 --> 04:12:37,020
One last question, sorry, if you know how the size of your lap two compares to the other eight

3157
04:12:37,020 --> 04:12:41,380
laughs that are already on this lane, I think that they're very capable because they make the

3158
04:12:41,380 --> 04:12:46,820
requirements of the air forward zoning district. So the only reason we're here tonight is because this is a private

3159
04:12:46,820 --> 04:12:52,320
street, not a public street. You, you haven't looked at it. No, obviously, I'm just looking at buying it from the GIS.

3160
04:12:55,420 --> 04:13:01,580
So that helps kind of on your analysis. The real reason that that there's this

3161
04:13:01,600 --> 04:13:05,580
provision in the subdivision code about private roads is because

3162
04:13:06,440 --> 04:13:08,500
a planning perspective

3163
04:13:08,500 --> 04:13:13,120
the city is decided it really does not want to encourage private roads.

3164
04:13:13,800 --> 04:13:17,820
They don't have the same standards, whether it's with whether it's

3165
04:13:17,820 --> 04:13:22,540
great quality of the concrete or asphalt, and it creates a lot of

3166
04:13:22,540 --> 04:13:24,480
issues of planning perspective.

3167
04:13:26,200 --> 04:13:29,200
So how is it maintained and who takes care of it and what

3168
04:13:29,200 --> 04:13:32,140
happens if the owners don't come up with a money and it creates all these issues.

3169
04:13:33,540 --> 04:13:38,600
Now, this also is in a situation where there's a new private road being requested.

3170
04:13:39,340 --> 04:13:45,300
The subdivision, and so the real question is that you're evaluating, is do you think that

3171
04:13:45,300 --> 04:13:48,780
this variation isn't keeping with the purposes of the subdivision code?

3172
04:13:49,320 --> 04:13:50,640
Do you see it as problematic?

3173
04:13:51,040 --> 04:13:54,140
Do you see it as the road's already there?

3174
04:13:54,440 --> 04:13:58,520
It's fine from that perspective, but that's really what you're focusing on.

3175
04:13:58,520 --> 04:13:59,580
Is the practice about it?

3176
04:14:00,260 --> 04:14:05,540
Is the provision that says you are not to create lots in the private road, but we, you

3177
04:14:05,540 --> 04:14:07,680
know, isn't so now there's a request for a variation.

3178
04:14:08,520 --> 04:14:14,120
So some of these other ancillary issues that we think about are some of it really have

3179
04:14:14,120 --> 04:14:18,600
kind of outside of the variation issue that is before you.

3180
04:14:18,900 --> 04:14:23,480
So that's how I kind of focused your thought on the variation.

3181
04:14:23,480 --> 04:14:31,460
And I would remind, I would remind them, the commission here that the proposed lot meets the minimum

3182
04:14:31,460 --> 04:14:34,680
lot with that area that's in the zoning district.

3183
04:14:35,460 --> 04:14:40,800
So, before this situation or this is a private road, it meets the provisions of the sub-division

3184
04:14:40,800 --> 04:14:43,000
code and meets the spirit of the code.

3185
04:14:43,240 --> 04:14:46,180
And that's why we came before you and seeking to create a lot.

3186
04:14:49,210 --> 04:14:49,730
It's all we have.

3187
04:14:50,430 --> 04:14:51,730
Did you guys meet with the neighbors?

3188
04:14:52,190 --> 04:14:53,090
No, we did not.

3189
04:14:53,670 --> 04:14:55,090
And why don't want to see it?

3190
04:14:55,630 --> 04:14:57,230
Could the street be dedicated to the city?

3191
04:14:57,310 --> 04:14:58,170
I know it's only one way.

3192
04:14:58,310 --> 04:14:59,270
I have friends on the street.

3193
04:14:59,450 --> 04:14:59,970
So I've driven it.

3194
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:11,340
Mr Chairman, the city would not want to accept that street as a substand. I'd say that's a speak on behalf of the director of public works, but I could say that I could hear him saying that in my head right now.

3195
04:15:30,060 --> 04:15:35,840
If this line is underdeveloped, and the hardest trick is an issue, obviously the neighbors

3196
04:15:35,840 --> 04:15:40,680
will be notified through the zoning board variation procedure, and they'll be able to

3197
04:15:40,680 --> 04:15:45,180
open at that point with regards to how they feel about this, because right now it's

3198
04:15:45,180 --> 04:15:48,320
we're not at that point where this line would be developed, and we don't know why our house

3199
04:15:48,320 --> 04:15:51,340
will be located, and what trees would be removed.

3200
04:15:51,340 --> 04:15:52,260
Any more

3201
04:15:54,880 --> 04:15:55,660
questions they have?

3202
04:15:59,070 --> 04:15:59,690
Thank you.

3203
04:15:59,850 --> 04:16:00,170
Thank you.

3204
04:16:00,410 --> 04:16:02,750
There is one neighbor here that's just, oh.

3205
04:16:02,750 --> 04:16:04,910
Do you like to speak?

3206
04:16:06,070 --> 04:16:06,330
Yes.

3207
04:16:07,290 --> 04:16:08,790
There's no other property here.

3208
04:16:08,990 --> 04:16:09,490
There's no other property here.

3209
04:16:10,270 --> 04:16:10,870
I don't believe you.

3210
04:16:12,370 --> 04:16:13,070
I can't.

3211
04:16:13,550 --> 04:16:14,070
I can't.

3212
04:16:14,070 --> 04:16:15,090
What do you start to talk?

3213
04:16:15,410 --> 04:16:16,370
Can I?

3214
04:16:16,430 --> 04:16:17,530
Before you do anything for me?

3215
04:16:17,530 --> 04:16:17,810
I do.

3216
04:16:18,430 --> 04:16:18,870
No.

3217
04:16:18,870 --> 04:16:19,290
No.

3218
04:16:19,450 --> 04:16:19,750
I can't.

3219
04:16:20,610 --> 04:16:21,690
Can you raise your right hand?

3220
04:16:21,750 --> 04:16:22,570
Oh, it's not a public hearing.

3221
04:16:22,690 --> 04:16:23,430
I don't want to raise your right hand.

3222
04:16:25,070 --> 04:16:30,890
That's that is on the on 62 acorn lane was built by Tom Nathan who owned

3223
04:16:30,890 --> 04:16:36,650
craftwood and he was also a city councilman member so he owned a lot he

3224
04:16:37,530 --> 04:16:41,090
was a two acre lot I'm actually the north of him and I haven't lived in

3225
04:16:41,090 --> 04:16:47,710
in 1973 and I've been in Highland Park my whole life lucky enough to be I'm

3226
04:16:47,710 --> 04:16:52,330
concerned about the water and I have plenty of water in my yard and I have a

3227
04:16:52,330 --> 04:16:59,890
water out of the street. I was told when I left the house, but I guess we dedicated the

3228
04:16:59,890 --> 04:17:06,350
lane to the city that our side of the street, the west side of the street, was going to

3229
04:17:06,350 --> 04:17:14,570
be the, I guess we would take the impact of the storm storm. It would be felt for all our side

3230
04:17:14,570 --> 04:17:20,650
of the street, which I don't know what it is now, 40 something, 40 feet, 40 yards, I have no idea.

3231
04:17:20,650 --> 04:17:23,570
But that's what I was told when I had the house.

3232
04:17:23,810 --> 04:17:27,530
Also, we used to come out from Leca Road.

3233
04:17:28,890 --> 04:17:33,030
If you've seen the area, we had the fence at Lake Cook and Acorn.

3234
04:17:34,850 --> 04:17:37,390
Because Leca, North Dakota was built.

3235
04:17:37,750 --> 04:17:40,850
And a lot of people who were using an umbrella line to come through.

3236
04:17:41,350 --> 04:17:44,410
So they put a barrier there.

3237
04:17:45,030 --> 04:17:47,650
And then, by neighbors who were the hellers,

3238
04:17:48,670 --> 04:17:54,290
They donated the fuck of their yard, which was very nice to them, to come throughout because

3239
04:17:54,290 --> 04:17:58,090
Equaline was built, because Equaline is a new one, relatively new lane.

3240
04:17:58,690 --> 04:18:00,330
So that whole AI was rebuilt.

3241
04:18:00,450 --> 04:18:03,270
There used to be one house behind me, now they're what, 16.

3242
04:18:04,910 --> 04:18:05,990
So that's that's that area.

3243
04:18:07,630 --> 04:18:12,250
So if you're right around, you'll see, I'm just concerned about the process of getting the

3244
04:18:12,250 --> 04:18:16,610
storm so far as I know, there are other people on the lane that are also concerned

3245
04:18:17,270 --> 04:18:23,850
I'm the only one that's here, but I think that they made some phone calls to some of you and maybe the mayor.

3246
04:18:25,230 --> 04:18:25,350
So.

3247
04:18:25,350 --> 04:18:25,610
Okay.

3248
04:18:26,670 --> 04:18:26,690
So.

3249
04:18:27,250 --> 04:18:27,830
Thank you.

3250
04:18:28,030 --> 04:18:28,650
Thank you.

3251
04:18:41,960 --> 04:18:42,240
Okay.

3252
04:18:42,440 --> 04:18:44,620
It sounds funny to 12, but no pressure.

3253
04:18:48,010 --> 04:18:48,290
We're good.

3254
04:18:48,570 --> 04:18:52,610
Do I have any comments of the commission emotion?

3255
04:18:57,280 --> 04:18:58,140
Somebody just said.

3256
04:19:04,690 --> 04:19:06,430
Mr. Sherman, I would move.

3257
04:19:07,790 --> 04:19:13,160
that we, uh, we, we approve, uh, where we are.

3258
04:19:13,280 --> 04:19:16,580
We have a knockout, my recommendation, what the motion might be this evening.

3259
04:19:16,920 --> 04:19:17,260
It's not.

3260
04:19:18,480 --> 04:19:24,380
Normally, if, if the commission is really normally what happens is this is signed by the chair,

3261
04:19:24,520 --> 04:19:26,400
just before or after the meeting.

3262
04:19:26,880 --> 04:19:32,200
But since this one is actually going before the commission for a recommendation on the variation,

3263
04:19:32,840 --> 04:19:36,440
I actually have prepared something I can hand it out real quick and I'll give a copy

3264
04:19:36,440 --> 04:19:39,440
to the applicant and to the neighbor.

3265
04:19:42,710 --> 04:19:44,010
Would you have permission chair?

3266
04:19:44,170 --> 04:19:44,790
I should ask, I'm sorry.

3267
04:19:44,870 --> 04:19:45,290
Would you have permission?

3268
04:19:45,470 --> 04:19:46,210
Can I hand these out?

3269
04:19:46,250 --> 04:19:46,930
I apologize to you.

3270
04:19:47,050 --> 04:19:48,990
Can you give it to the commission first?

3271
04:19:49,010 --> 04:19:49,510
Oh, sorry.

3272
04:19:58,610 --> 04:20:02,770
The document is the last page.

3273
04:20:03,290 --> 04:20:06,930
Just code code and a signature block from the chair.

3274
04:20:07,530 --> 04:20:09,910
The front page is the only thing I've been understanding.

3275
04:20:10,910 --> 04:20:12,610
And that's just the recommendation.

3276
04:20:13,410 --> 04:20:15,010
Then the findings of the facts.

3277
04:20:21,060 --> 04:20:30,740
The plan design commission is only making a recommendation on the variation, that's it.

3278
04:20:30,880 --> 04:20:35,560
Otherwise, the chain normally reviews minor subdivisions and signs off on that.

3279
04:20:35,860 --> 04:20:39,500
And so I hope I've encompassed that with this document.

3280
04:20:40,200 --> 04:20:41,780
Admittedly, I did have to...

3281
04:20:41,780 --> 04:20:44,120
It just occurred to me because this is kind of a hybrid application.

3282
04:20:44,520 --> 04:20:46,620
And so admittedly, this occurred to me just a few days ago.

3283
04:20:47,220 --> 04:20:49,280
And I realized I'd have to alter what's normally done,

3284
04:20:49,300 --> 04:20:50,900
because it's normally just give something to the chair.

3285
04:20:54,420 --> 04:21:02,260
So plan a wrap is I understand that the emotion would be to make a recommendation or to recommend granting the variation?

3286
04:21:02,280 --> 04:21:02,780
Correct.

3287
04:21:09,570 --> 04:21:10,110
So move.

3288
04:21:10,970 --> 04:21:11,170
Second.

3289
04:21:12,630 --> 04:21:13,450
The roll call please.

3290
04:21:20,170 --> 04:21:20,790
Pressure leader.

3291
04:21:21,590 --> 04:21:21,890
Aye.

3292
04:21:22,590 --> 04:21:23,590
Mr. Pearlstein.

3293
04:21:24,770 --> 04:21:25,490
Mr. Leap.

3294
04:21:25,670 --> 04:21:25,890
Aye.

3295
04:21:26,490 --> 04:21:27,290
Mr. Kutscheye.

3296
04:21:28,550 --> 04:21:29,210
Mr. Glazer.

3297
04:21:30,490 --> 04:21:31,030
Mr. Rensley.

3298
04:21:32,110 --> 04:21:32,650
Chairman Hect.

3299
04:21:33,390 --> 04:21:33,730
Aye.

3300
04:21:34,510 --> 04:21:42,870
Okay, you guys have it Mr. Chairman, the motion carries, and the variance is recommended to be a proof.

3301
04:21:43,430 --> 04:21:47,690
I have to sign this wrong.

3302
04:21:50,530 --> 04:21:56,350
Yes, now we call everything is in accordance, but for the variation it all meets the stand.

3303
04:22:01,730 --> 04:22:04,490
I can't talk about it, I don't want to be filmed.

3304
04:22:04,510 --> 04:22:06,250
Let me film some things that we'll talk after the meeting.

3305
04:22:07,590 --> 04:22:09,930
Mr. Chair, a couple of them, a couple of them, a couple of them.

3306
04:22:09,990 --> 04:22:11,630
First, the celebration for you, something else.

3307
04:22:12,370 --> 04:22:16,490
Staff email about the briar get will end you survey once again.

3308
04:22:16,830 --> 04:22:18,550
And so please make it effort to complete that.

3309
04:22:18,550 --> 04:22:20,990
That's very important. I'll be helping us out a lot.

3310
04:22:21,270 --> 04:22:22,570
I did that already.

3311
04:22:23,770 --> 04:22:24,130
I did.

3312
04:22:24,130 --> 04:22:30,190
We have a standing machine to adjourn, is that there is a set part of the day.

3313
04:22:30,490 --> 04:22:31,130
I'm so scared.

3314
04:22:31,390 --> 04:22:32,110
I'm so scared.

3315
04:22:32,690 --> 04:22:34,090
All right, we're adjourned.

3316
04:22:34,350 --> 04:22:37,070
Well, oh my God, you had to wake us up.

3317
04:22:37,210 --> 04:22:38,470
We were sleeping so wonderful.