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We will call to order the meeting of the

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November 20th, 2025

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uh [snorts] meeting of the city of

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Highland Park zoning board of appeals.

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Patrick, may I get an attendance roll

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call, please?

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>> Member Arnoff

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» Member Arnoff

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>> here.

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» here.

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>> Member Weissberg

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» Member Weissberg

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>> here,

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» here,

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>> member Chase, member Tashansky

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» member Chase, member Tashansky

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>> here,

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» here,

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>> member Zaransky

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» member Zaransky

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>> here,

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» here,

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>> Vice Chair Yablon

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» Vice Chair Yablon

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>> here,

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» here,

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>> and Chair Bay

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» and Chair Bay

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>> here.

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» here.

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>> We have a quorum.

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» We have a quorum.

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>> Okay, thank you. Uh, first item up for

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» Okay, thank you. Uh, first item up for

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business on our agenda is the approval

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of the minutes from the November 6th

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meeting. Did everyone get a chance to

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review those?

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>> And if so, I will entertain a motion.

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» And if so, I will entertain a motion.

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>> Vice Chair Yavon makes a motion to adopt

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» Vice Chair Yavon makes a motion to adopt

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the minutes as drafted.

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>> And can we get a second?

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» And can we get a second?

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>> Second. Members Ransky.

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» Second. Members Ransky.

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>> All right. All in favor of adopting the

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» All right. All in favor of adopting the

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minutes as drafted, please say I.

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>> Any opposed?

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» Any opposed?

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>> No. Motion carries. minutes are adopted

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» No. Motion carries. minutes are adopted

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as written. Uh item number three on our

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agenda, business from the public. Is

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there anybody here uh that has something

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that's not on the agenda that they want

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to bring to this board attention?

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Doesn't appear as such. So we can move

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on. Uh item number four, old business.

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There is no old business. Item number

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five, new business. There's one item of

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new business and we will get to it now.

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It is V 202250057

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property address 1331 Hillary Lane

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Abalant Brett Kaplan and Patrick do we

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have a presentation please?

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>> Yes. So 1331 Hillary Lane applicant

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» Yes. So 1331 Hillary Lane applicant

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Brett Kaplan proposal is for a new

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addition. The property is located in the

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R six zoning district and according to

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Lake County Assessor's home was built in

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2000. The requested relief is to

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construct the allowable floor area, F

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short, of 30.48%

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or 4,080 ft for a residence that already

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exceeds the permitted F to construct a

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382 ft addition for a proposed total F

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of 42.69%

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or 5,713.9

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square ft.

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So, here is the property uh located at

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the end of Hillary Lane next to the Skoi

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River here

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and just kind of an aerial shot of the

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property.

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The uh existing structure uh this is a

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kind of a trapezoidal kind of shape lot.

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um existing home with a deck in the rear

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of the property and the proposed

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addition will be located here

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approximately where the uh deck is

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located.

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I couldn't get to the property for this

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one, so we'll have to live with the

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Google Street View. Uh not the best view

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for this property. Uh but is at the end

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of the block and kind of see a little

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bit of the house there.

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So, in blue is the existing home. Yellow

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here is the proposed screen porch. Oops.

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Deck or not porch. Yeah, just a screen

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porch. Jeez. [gasps] Um, and then so the

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required F I'm going this is going to be

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a lot of numbers. [clears throat] Um,

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please stop me if you ever get confused.

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So the required F is 4,080 ft for the

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total uh footprint for the home. Um the

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existing home is 5,332

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square ft and the applicant is proposing

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a new total of 5,714

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ft for the new total. Uh the addition

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will be a total size of 382 square ft.

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So on the left hand side here, these are

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the existing conditions of the rear of

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the property and on the right hand side

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is the proposed uh screened in porch.

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And again on the top here are the

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existing conditions and the bottom is

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what the new porch would look like on

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the back of the house.

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So for the neighborhood context, uh the

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F kind of totals on the end of the

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block, this comes from the Lake County

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um assessor's office. The average square

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foot totals for the homes at the end of

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this block here is 4,267.

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Uh a little lower than what is currently

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at this property. The average F being

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37.4.

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And then I also provided the median um

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just for a different metric a little

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lower 4,152 and a median of 37.9. So

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neighborhood in total is a little less

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than what the uh applicant's property

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is.

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In 2006, this property received a

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variation to exceed the maximum floor

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area. Uh they were approved for 4751

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square feet or 35.67 67.

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Um, if you'll notice that they were

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approved for 4,751.

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However, today they are current existing

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conditions is 5,332.

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Uh, I have asked the applicant to kind

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of review that and their architect has

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confirmed that this 5,332

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is correct. So, it's just kind of the

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information I have for you. Uh, but

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there is kind of a discrepancy from this

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2006 variation and today.

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Uh but again, the applicant is now

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proposing a new total of 5,714

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square feet.

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either city staff or members from the

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public.

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So in review, uh the requested relief is

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to exceed the maximum floor area for a

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new addition that is a total size of 382

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square ft for a proposed total F of

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42.69%. 69% or 5,713.9

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ft.

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Uh, that's all I have for you. If you

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have any questions, I'd be happy to

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answer them. Okay, Patrick, they you

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said there was a variance. Thank you.

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That's the exactly the screen I was

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looking for. Um, where they were

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approved [snorts] for a maximum of 4751

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square ft. Correct.

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» Correct. So it was to

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do this portion of the house. This is a

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addition that happened in 2006 and they

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needed a variation to the F for that

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portion of house.

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>> Okay. But somehow they ended up with

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» Okay. But somehow they ended up with

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5332 which is you know significantly

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larger than 4751.

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[clears throat] Uh how would they have

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gotten away with that?

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Why would the building department did

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they do things without permits or

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>> so? It it's the same footprint. I'm not

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» so? It it's the same footprint. I'm not

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sure if there could have been a

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miscalculation in 2006.

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I'm not I uh I reviewed everything.

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There's not like an additional addition

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somewhere on the property that is

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between 2006 and now. Um I can have the

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applicant speak a little bit more on

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that as well with their speaking with

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their architect. Um, but yeah, I don't

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quite have an answer for you on that. It

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>> was different ownership in 2006 than it

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» was different ownership in 2006 than it

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>> It was Kaplan's. I'm going to assume

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» It was Kaplan's. I'm going to assume

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just different generation of family.

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>> Okay. Um, anybody else have any

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» Okay. Um, anybody else have any

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» Yes, please.

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um for

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the existing deck or porch does not go

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towards F. Correct.

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>> Correct. It's not until it's enclosed.

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» Correct. It's not until it's enclosed.

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So having kind of those walls around it

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is what then triggers the F total.

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>> Okay. And do we know the dimensions of

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» Okay. And do we know the dimensions of

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the porch versus just the square

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footage? Um,

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» I'll have the applicant confirm that and

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I'll look at the plans. They're not on

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this screenshot right now.

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>> Are they planning, if you know, Patrick,

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» Are they planning, if you know, Patrick,

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or if not, we'll ask the owner the on

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doing any foundation work or just

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enclosing an an addition or an existing

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footing if you would. So, it'll be a

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little bit more new because it is in

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this area and you'll see that it kind of

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zigzags this way. So, there'll be a

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little bit new coverage in this area. Uh

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there are no setback um

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requests for this addition. Uh but there

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will be a little bit new land coverage

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>> in a uh a pergola would not be

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» in a uh a pergola would not be

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considered like enclosed, right? It has

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to have complete enclosure.

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>> Correct. to perllo would not be

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» Correct. to perllo would not be

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considered for F.

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>> Okay.

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» Okay.

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>> Okay. So they they are expanding off of

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» Okay. So they they are expanding off of

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the existing debt.

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>> Yes.

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» Yes.

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>> So this is what the existing conditions

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» So this is what the existing conditions

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are and then this is what the proposal

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will be.

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>> Can you show me the existing again?

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» Can you show me the existing again?

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>> Okay. So they're kind of squaring off

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» Okay. So they're kind of squaring off

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basically.

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>> Yeah. So it's square off a little bit.

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» Yeah. So it's square off a little bit.

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>> Okay. Thank you. [clears throat]

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» Okay. Thank you. [clears throat]

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» Okay.

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>> Well, can you just scroll back like

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» Well, can you just scroll back like

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couple um

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the there's the variation a slide and

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then couple before that

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like it was like the average the street.

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Um yeah. So,

280
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so would it be accurate that like the

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whole neighborhood is significantly over

282
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the minimum F cuz when would it all be

283
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30%.

284
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» So, it's dependent on your lot area and

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these lots are

286
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>> not all the same exact size, but yeah,

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» not all the same exact size, but yeah,

288
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they should be roughly around the same

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lot area. Um,

290
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so most of them I guess are I guess I

291
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didn't check the

292
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>> You know, it just seems odd that they're

293
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» You know, it just seems odd that they're

294
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all over.

295
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>> Yeah. Um,

296
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» Yeah. Um,

297
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>> so far I I don't know.

298
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» so far I I don't know.

299
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>> Yeah, I'll say that their square

300
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» Yeah, I'll say that their square

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footages are around 4,000, which was a

302
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little bit closer to what compliance is.

303
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Um, but based off of the when I

304
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calculated the F based on their lot

305
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areas, they were a little bit over.

306
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What's what's the required or supposedly

307
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required F percentage?

308
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>> It's all based on the lot area. Um, so I

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» It's all based on the lot area. Um, so I

310
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guess I'd have to

311
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>> What's the percentage of F that you're

312
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» What's the percentage of F that you're

313
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allowed to to do as a matter of

314
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>> there is no one set number. So it's like

315
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» there is no one set number. So it's like

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if I have 10,000 square ft, it's a

317
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different percentage versus if I have

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12,000 ft.

319
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>> Oh, it's a different the percentage

320
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» Oh, it's a different the percentage

321
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changes.

322
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>> It's all based on the lot area. So I can

323
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» It's all based on the lot area. So I can

324
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uh

325
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>> so it's a tiered approach. Is it fair to

326
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» so it's a tiered approach. Is it fair to

327
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say that the the smaller the lot is the

328
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larger the F is allowed or is it the

329
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other way?

330
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>> Uh

331
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» Uh

332
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>> or is there or is there any correlation

333
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» or is there or is there any correlation

334
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or is it just random?

335
00:14:27,839 --> 00:14:29,910
>> It's not random. There is a calculation.

336
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» It's not random. There is a calculation.

337
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Um I don't know if

338
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I'm I don't have an answer on if it how

339
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scaled it is. It is scaled in a certain

340
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way, but I don't have the

341
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>> Well, there have to be certain criteria

342
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» Well, there have to be certain criteria

343
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that determine what an F is. We don't

344
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know what those criteria.

345
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>> Yeah, it's a So, it's like your lot air.

346
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» Yeah, it's a So, it's like your lot air.

347
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>> So, just a law calculation.

348
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» So, just a law calculation.

349
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>> Nothing's ever used.

350
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» Nothing's ever used.

351
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>> Seems like it should be right.

352
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» Seems like it should be right.

353
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>> Yeah.

354
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» Yeah.

355
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>> Says R six.

356
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» Says R six.

357
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>> It should. I mean, generally F is a set

358
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» It should. I mean, generally F is a set

359
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percentage for certain districts. So,

360
00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:10,959
I'm not sure why this would vary

361
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depending on lot size.

362
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» So, whole point of F is to keep it

363
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proportional to your lot.

364
00:15:19,199 --> 00:15:29,990
>> Oh, it's really tiny.

365
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And then are there any issues with bonus

366
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F or

367
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>> we can I don't think it's

368
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» we can I don't think it's

369
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>> I think he already has a very

370
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» I think he already has a very

371
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exceeding.

372
00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:47,199
It's a little artery but um so these are

373
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the calculations for F. Um they each

374
00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:52,560
have

375
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I didn't create this so I don't know the

376
00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,040
I'm also not a mathematician so I don't

377
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know the um

378
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full understanding of the using point 42

379
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like having the starting point but it's

380
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kind of tiered based off of how big your

381
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lot size is and then depending on if

382
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you're within there you use this

383
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calculation in order to figure out your

384
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uh F totals.

385
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Okay. So, it's tiered based on lot size.

386
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So, it's

387
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>> it's consistent theoretically that if

388
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» it's consistent theoretically that if

389
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you have a bigger lot, you can build a

390
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larger structure with the with

391
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approximately but somehow they change

392
00:16:32,959 --> 00:16:35,440
the F depending on lot size. It's kind

393
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of

394
00:16:36,959 --> 00:16:37,350
>> okay.

395
00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:37,360
» okay.

396
00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,990
>> Kind of complicated. Okay.

397
00:16:39,990 --> 00:16:40,000
» Kind of complicated. Okay.

398
00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,150
>> Correct. Yeah. So I can't there's no

399
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» Correct. Yeah. So I can't there's no

400
00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,639
like if it's in the R six it's you get

401
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32%. That that doesn't

402
00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:48,389
>> Okay. So does

403
00:16:48,389 --> 00:16:48,399
» Okay. So does

404
00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:50,550
>> it hovers around doing it the opposite

405
00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:50,560
» it hovers around doing it the opposite

406
00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,079
because if you have a humongous lot they

407
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don't want you to have a house the

408
00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,600
entire size of I think it's normalizing

409
00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:55,839
it.

410
00:16:55,839 --> 00:16:58,230
>> It's generally F is generally a fixed

411
00:16:58,230 --> 00:16:58,240
» It's generally F is generally a fixed

412
00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,560
percentage which then makes it

413
00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,560
proportional to your lot size. So it

414
00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,480
would be the lot size determining how

415
00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,280
much large of structure. Apparently, it

416
00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,120
is the lot size, but it's based on a

417
00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:11,600
calculation that remains to be

418
00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,760
unnecessarily complicated or somewhat

419
00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,919
mysterious as to what the outcome is as

420
00:17:15,919 --> 00:17:18,319
a result or what the purpose is for it.

421
00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:19,120
So,

422
00:17:19,120 --> 00:17:20,630
>> and like how much does it really move?

423
00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:20,640
» and like how much does it really move?

424
00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,360
It's can't move 7%. It's like maybe 1%

425
00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:24,000
difference, you know?

426
00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,990
>> Well, yeah. I I don't I give no clue as

427
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:26,000
» Well, yeah. I I don't I give no clue as

428
00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,079
to why they would do it that way.

429
00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:30,789
>> So, the

430
00:17:30,789 --> 00:17:30,799
» So, the

431
00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:32,320
compared to the other houses in the

432
00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:33,600
neighborhood, I think this is at least

433
00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,640
what I'm trying to get to.

434
00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,840
Are the other houses

435
00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,600
over the F by a commensurate amount with

436
00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,240
what these people are asking or are the

437
00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,679
people asking for something that would

438
00:17:47,679 --> 00:17:50,960
make them the

439
00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:52,960
exceed the F by the most if you

440
00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,000
understand what I'm asking.

441
00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,909
>> Yeah. So,

442
00:17:57,919 --> 00:18:00,559
so they're asking for

443
00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:04,160
uh 42 almost 43%

444
00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,039
kind of the block is hovering around 37.

445
00:18:07,039 --> 00:18:09,120
So about 5%

446
00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:13,830
>> asking for 5% more F than the average F

447
00:18:13,830 --> 00:18:13,840
» asking for 5% more F than the average F

448
00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,760
of the the block.

449
00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:16,310
>> Correct.

450
00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:16,320
» Correct.

451
00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,950
>> Regardless of lot size dependent on lot

452
00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:18,960
» Regardless of lot size dependent on lot

453
00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:20,880
size, but regardless of lot size. Okay.

454
00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,390
>> Correct.

455
00:18:22,390 --> 00:18:22,400
» Correct.

456
00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,430
>> What is their lot size? I can't find it.

457
00:18:25,430 --> 00:18:25,440
» What is their lot size? I can't find it.

458
00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,710
Um,

459
00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:36,070
yeah.

460
00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,919
» Do we have a comparison of what the

461
00:18:37,919 --> 00:18:39,520
different lot sizes are in the in the

462
00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:40,160
area?

463
00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,350
>> That's in here. Yeah.

464
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:43,360
» That's in here. Yeah.

465
00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:48,549
>> Um, so there is a page in the packet.

466
00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:48,559
» Um, so there is a page in the packet.

467
00:18:48,559 --> 00:19:05,029
It's all over the place.

468
00:19:05,039 --> 00:19:07,440
Well, I'm assuming that the lot size is

469
00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:08,799
what's indicated, not on all of them,

470
00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:11,760
but on some of them at the

471
00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,960
in the in the individual lots that are

472
00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,600
indicated on that diagram, like the one

473
00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:22,000
at 1271, Hillary's 11,000t lot. 1291 is

474
00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,200
a 9700 square foot lot, etc.

475
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:26,789
>> Is that is that correct?

476
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:26,799
» Is that is that correct?

477
00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:30,470
>> Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. So, it's not

478
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:30,480
» Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. So, it's not

479
00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,600
um completely consistent. This lot is

480
00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,840
slightly larger because of kind of the

481
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,679
triangle shape at the end where these

482
00:19:37,679 --> 00:19:40,640
interior lots aren't getting that much

483
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,320
space because of that. So, these lots on

484
00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,559
the end are a little bit bigger uh than

485
00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:49,110
kind of the block.

486
00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:53,440
» A lot bigger. Page 17 of the packet

487
00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,840
shows

488
00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,919
that, you know, some of them are under

489
00:19:57,919 --> 00:20:00,880
10,000 [clears throat] square ft

490
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:07,510
where this one's almost 1900.

491
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:08,960
» Right. That's what you're asking.

492
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,710
>> Yeah.

493
00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:10,720
» Yeah.

494
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:16,870
So, there's a wide range of lots.

495
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,640
» And this house is already substantially

496
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,320
bigger than the other houses involved.

497
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,400
Okay.

498
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:23,750
>> Looks like they kind of lose a little

499
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:23,760
» Looks like they kind of lose a little

500
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,080
bit of, you know, as the trapezoid. I

501
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:26,799
don't know. There's a little bit of

502
00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:29,520
extra space that maybe I don't know.

503
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:30,390
>> Okay.

504
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:30,400
» Okay.

505
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,830
>> All right. Anybody have any other

506
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:31,840
» All right. Anybody have any other

507
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,280
questions for staff at this point? So

508
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,240
even though the assessor listed as 4106,

509
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,600
we think it's 5713.

510
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,430
>> So that's what the assessor's um gross

511
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:45,440
» So that's what the assessor's um gross

512
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,240
floor area um has. I also referenced

513
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:49,840
their sketching and it's referenced

514
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,159
around that. But again, I'll have the

515
00:20:52,159 --> 00:20:54,080
applicant talk with their architect has

516
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:58,789
come up with for their numbers.

517
00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:04,080
And we are allowed and bound to go off

518
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,520
what the applicants numbers are as

519
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,679
opposed to

520
00:21:07,679 --> 00:21:08,789
>> presumably the assessor took

521
00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:08,799
» presumably the assessor took

522
00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:11,440
measurements at some point or took it

523
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:12,320
off a survey or something.

524
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:13,909
>> I'm not quite clear on how the assessor

525
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:13,919
» I'm not quite clear on how the assessor

526
00:21:13,919 --> 00:21:15,520
gets their information if it's just

527
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,640
through sale and then

528
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,720
if that information is as accurate as it

529
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,120
can be. Um, but yeah, I mean,

530
00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:25,350
>> is there a current survey that indicates

531
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:25,360
» is there a current survey that indicates

532
00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:26,400
at least [laughter]

533
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,880
the foot the footprint, the size of the

534
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,360
footprint of the house? I It wouldn't

535
00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:32,559
tell the square footage because it

536
00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:33,760
wouldn't get the volume.

537
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,950
>> Yeah. Um, I mean, that's we accept the

538
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:36,960
» Yeah. Um, I mean, that's we accept the

539
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,440
architect's materials. They're licensed

540
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,000
by the state. They're kind of honor

541
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,480
bound to be

542
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,870
accurate and we accept that.

543
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,039
» Interesting.

544
00:21:51,039 --> 00:21:51,600
Please.

545
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,350
>> And there's no um issue with bonus F

546
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:55,360
» And there's no um issue with bonus F

547
00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:57,760
because this property already has had

548
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,280
variance

549
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,510
>> over. Yeah, it's over the bonus.

550
00:22:01,510 --> 00:22:01,520
» over. Yeah, it's over the bonus.

551
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,149
>> Okay.

552
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:04,159
» Okay.

553
00:22:04,159 --> 00:22:05,750
>> Any other questions for Patrick right

554
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:05,760
» Any other questions for Patrick right

555
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,360
now?

556
00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:10,070
>> Okay. Thank you, Patrick. Seeing no more

557
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:10,080
» Okay. Thank you, Patrick. Seeing no more

558
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,760
questions at this point, we will ask if

559
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:12,960
there's someone else here that would

560
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,120
like to be heard on this matter.

561
00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:16,870
>> Okay. If you would be kind enough to

562
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:16,880
» Okay. If you would be kind enough to

563
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,400
approach the podium and state your name

564
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,880
for the record, please.

565
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,080
Brett Kaplan.

566
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,830
>> Mr. Kaplan, do you affirm or attest that

567
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:23,840
» Mr. Kaplan, do you affirm or attest that

568
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,120
testimony you're about to give will be

569
00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:26,880
the truth, all truth, and nothing but

570
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:27,679
the truth?

571
00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:28,470
>> I do.

572
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:28,480
» I do.

573
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,830
>> Please proceed.

574
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:29,840
» Please proceed.

575
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,549
>> So, we uh currently are hoping to get a

576
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:32,559
» So, we uh currently are hoping to get a

577
00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:35,280
a screen in porch. We have a existing

578
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,159
deck that is uh deteriorating and we

579
00:22:38,159 --> 00:22:43,840
have a um a balcony off of a of a a room

580
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,640
that is un structurally unound. So, that

581
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,120
needs to come down. It was off of our

582
00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:51,840
main bedroom. Um, you know, up there.

583
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,000
We've since converted uh there was a

584
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,760
sliding door. We since converted it to a

585
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,400
window um in anticipation and hope for

586
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,520
for this. So, just the way we kind of

587
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,840
always envision that that space become a

588
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,400
screen porch. Uh it just fits the the

589
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,200
area really well. Um

590
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,120
you we are reducing the deck size a

591
00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:15,280
little bit uh on the side there as you

592
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,440
could see uh to try to make up for some

593
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,200
of the gained space if you will. Um yes

594
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,760
it was my uh my parents who own the

595
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,200
house before. I was trying to ask them

596
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,520
if they knew why the the calculations

597
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,919
were off. Best I guess I'm not an

598
00:23:29,919 --> 00:23:34,159
architect or anything. uh was that from

599
00:23:34,159 --> 00:23:36,559
what I saw the garage wasn't included in

600
00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:40,080
the 4751 perhaps I don't know it just

601
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,880
wasn't um some numbers that I saw on on

602
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,320
the on the 2006 variance report I tried

603
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,919
to look into if the um the regulations

604
00:23:49,919 --> 00:23:53,600
changed on what constituted the F uh

605
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,840
kind of calculation but I couldn't find

606
00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:00,320
anything uh to that effect um

607
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,799
So, uh I I don't think our uh proposed

608
00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:07,200
variation will kind of impair or

609
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,600
material det be a material detriment to

610
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,240
the to the neighborhood, if you will. Um

611
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,200
no one, uh in on the street can can see

612
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,200
it. Uh and we're actually backing up

613
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,440
into a highway, so no one really can can

614
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,320
see it, if you will. Um and so, yeah, if

615
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,159
it pleases you all, I I appreciate the

616
00:24:24,159 --> 00:24:26,080
time and the consideration, and

617
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,840
hopefully could be approved.

618
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,269
>> Okay. You're aware that we have certain

619
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:31,279
» Okay. You're aware that we have certain

620
00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:33,200
standards, eight eight in particular,

621
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,480
that we must apply to every variation

622
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,720
request and in order for us to grant the

623
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,960
variation requests, we have to be of the

624
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,720
opinion that all of the standards are

625
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,840
met. Um, I would appreciate if you could

626
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,120
ask address the these standards and

627
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:53,440
specifically um the first three or four

628
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,279
uh

629
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:58,559
pretty uh the the meat of the of the

630
00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:01,120
matter if you would. So, um

631
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:04,710
>> yeah, sure. So, um we we don't intend to

632
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:04,720
» yeah, sure. So, um we we don't intend to

633
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,919
to resell anytime soon or or make money

634
00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:16,549
just from building uh the porch. Um,

635
00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:24,950
it's it's really um

636
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,760
I I think there's definitely other area

637
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,480
other um houses on the street with

638
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,279
similar uh structures such as this. I

639
00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:36,559
don't think it's undo hardship or or

640
00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:40,480
unique uh in that regard. Um, I think it

641
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,000
is consistent with the

642
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,960
um

643
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,520
the the the

644
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,960
apologies. It's consistent with how the

645
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,559
rest of the houses are are looking too.

646
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:56,880
We're not making any changes from a a

647
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,320
structural [snorts] or a visual

648
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,840
perspective. Um,

649
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:02,549
>> and I don't think

650
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:02,559
» and I don't think

651
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:05,190
>> Let me allow me to maybe focus you in a

652
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:05,200
» Let me allow me to maybe focus you in a

653
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,640
little bit on what at least I would

654
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,600
perceive being one of the obstacles that

655
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,159
would prevent us from possibly uh

656
00:26:12,159 --> 00:26:13,760
granting this variance

657
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,750
>> would be the the number two um the the

658
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:17,760
» would be the the number two um the the

659
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,159
hardship that the standard number two is

660
00:26:20,159 --> 00:26:22,880
referring to would be the hardship upon

661
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,440
you upon the owners of the property if

662
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,679
we were not to grant the variance. So,

663
00:26:27,679 --> 00:26:31,840
what specifically is what hardship is

664
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,159
creating the need for the variance?

665
00:26:34,159 --> 00:26:36,630
>> Got it. Okay. Um, because we're on a a

666
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:36,640
» Got it. Okay. Um, because we're on a a

667
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,760
highway and a lot of forest area, we

668
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,480
would like a place to sit outside, be

669
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,480
enclosed to away from the bugs. It's

670
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,200
very buggy and and fairly noisy. So, we

671
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,880
would like a place to enjoy with our

672
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,799
family um to to be outside and enclosed

673
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:55,679
space.

674
00:26:55,679 --> 00:26:58,310
>> Okay. Is there anything unique about

675
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:58,320
» Okay. Is there anything unique about

676
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,559
your lot that would require the only way

677
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:05,279
to accomplish that to be to give you

678
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:08,640
more F and and and be able to consider

679
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,720
that to be in compliance with the with

680
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,909
the code?

681
00:27:13,919 --> 00:27:16,880
» Um I don't believe so.

682
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,430
>> Let me help you out here. Okay. Your

683
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:19,440
» Let me help you out here. Okay. Your

684
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,720
packet you have a whole section says

685
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,880
that's titled hardship if variance is

686
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,400
denied.

687
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,840
One of the things you say is the

688
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,400
property's existing configuration

689
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,799
and lot shape limit options for

690
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:35,279
expansion without exceeding coverage

691
00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:37,120
limits.

692
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:39,520
Would that be a hardship?

693
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:40,950
>> Yes. Thank you for

694
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:40,960
» Yes. Thank you for

695
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,630
>> and just real quickly

696
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:44,640
» and just real quickly

697
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,279
um can you just explain why the lot

698
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:49,120
shape limits the options?

699
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,110
>> Yeah, just because of kind of the

700
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:51,120
» Yeah, just because of kind of the

701
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:54,559
angling if you will. It's and the slope

702
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:56,399
down this is really the only way we

703
00:27:56,399 --> 00:27:58,000
would kind of be able to have it in a

704
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,520
closed space. Um it's pretty gradient

705
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:02,960
and this would be the best way to have

706
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,120
an enclosed space. Look outside. Thank

707
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:08,789
you.

708
00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:10,399
And

709
00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:11,350
>> by all means,

710
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:11,360
» by all means,

711
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:14,789
>> could you tell us how large the like the

712
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:14,799
» could you tell us how large the like the

713
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:16,720
dimensions

714
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:17,840
are going [snorts] to be?

715
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,430
>> I don't remember off the top of my head.

716
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:19,440
» I don't remember off the top of my head.

717
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,000
I want to say uh 11 by 22 uh square ft

718
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,840
if you will. Uh is the screen

719
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,909
>> skinny?

720
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:27,919
» skinny?

721
00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:28,720
Yeah,

722
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,950
>> I think so.

723
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:30,960
» I think so.

724
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,950
>> But I It's in the It should be in all

725
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:32,960
» But I It's in the It should be in all

726
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,919
the drawings. Yeah.

727
00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:39,990
>> Is that right or not?

728
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:45,679
There it is. Um, it's about 15 1/2 ft by

729
00:28:45,679 --> 00:28:48,880
22 feet or 23 ft.

730
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,789
>> 15 ft by 22 wide along the back of the

731
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:52,799
» 15 ft by 22 wide along the back of the

732
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:56,230
house.

733
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:05,510
» Okay. Any other questions for Mr. Camp?

734
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,799
Seeing none, I guess is there I will ask

735
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:10,799
if there's anybody else here that wants

736
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:12,640
to be heard on this matter. Doesn't

737
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,960
appear as such. You Mr. G, I'll ask you

738
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,120
one follow-up question. You I know uh

739
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,399
Patrick already mentioned this, but

740
00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:20,159
you've obviously provided notice to the

741
00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:22,080
neighbors. Have you gotten any feedback

742
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,840
whatsoever from any of your neighbors

743
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,559
just to be for or against?

744
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:28,310
>> They just are excited if if it goes

745
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:28,320
» They just are excited if if it goes

746
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,760
through to have them over for some

747
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,440
cocktails or some some meal.

748
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,470
>> If you're if you're giving free

749
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:32,480
» If you're if you're giving free

750
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,080
cocktails, they'll win the neighbor over

751
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,070
every time.

752
00:29:35,070 --> 00:29:36,549
>> [laughter]

753
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:36,559
» [laughter]

754
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:38,149
>> Okay. All right. Thank you.

755
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:38,159
» Okay. All right. Thank you.

756
00:29:38,159 --> 00:29:38,470
>> Thank you.

757
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:38,480
» Thank you.

758
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:38,870
>> Um,

759
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:38,880
» Um,

760
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:39,990
>> appreciate the time.

761
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:40,000
» appreciate the time.

762
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,190
>> Appreciate it. Okay. I will at this

763
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:43,200
» Appreciate it. Okay. I will at this

764
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,760
point poll the board and I'm going to

765
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:53,039
begin with member Arma. Great. Uh,

766
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:56,080
this is tough because I don't see that

767
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,399
there's a current hardship there, but I

768
00:29:58,399 --> 00:30:00,480
think he did a nice job explaining what

769
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,559
he perceives to be the hardship with

770
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:05,840
regard to the highway and the um the

771
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,080
buggess, I guess.

772
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,799
Um,

773
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:12,640
so

774
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,919
I would be on the fence because of that

775
00:30:15,919 --> 00:30:19,919
one, but I think I would vote to approve

776
00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:20,880
it.

777
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,990
>> Okay. Member Weissber.

778
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:24,000
» Okay. Member Weissber.

779
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,470
>> Um, yeah. I mean, I think, you know, I

780
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:26,480
» Um, yeah. I mean, I think, you know, I

781
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,240
think it makes a lot of sense to enclose

782
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,440
it, but

783
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,919
I I mean, I to me it's a it's a

784
00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:36,799
convenience. Um, like I don't know. I

785
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:38,960
think of a better case is made that's

786
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,640
more convincing that we're not kind of

787
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,679
hand feeding. Like I want to approve it,

788
00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:45,840
but using the standards, I just don't

789
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,799
see how number two currently uh is able

790
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:52,080
to be met, but I'm able to be uh my

791
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,760
mind's able to be changed if someone's

792
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,760
got a good reason on the board.

793
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,510
>> There is no standard that says Weisber

794
00:30:57,510 --> 00:30:57,520
» There is no standard that says Weisber

795
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,080
always has to be a nice guy, [laughter]

796
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,830
>> right? So, I mean, I want to do it, but

797
00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:01,840
» right? So, I mean, I want to do it, but

798
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,760
yeah, number two is uh I'm not seeing

799
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,520
it.

800
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,520
members are asking.

801
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,389
>> Um,

802
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:10,399
» Um,

803
00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:12,320
yeah, I I agree. I think it's it's it

804
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,679
seems like a big ass because it's such

805
00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:16,240
a, you know,

806
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,919
such an exceeds the the the the ratio by

807
00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:22,320
so much, but there may be a math problem

808
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,880
there that we're just missing and it's

809
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,080
just skewed. Um, I mean, I guess I could

810
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,640
get behind the hardship.

811
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,880
Um,

812
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,880
you know, I'm sympathetic to like

813
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,440
highway noise and you know, you know,

814
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,600
there is some slope issues and you're

815
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,679
kind of backing up to a sort of a little

816
00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:44,399
messy back over there and it's it's

817
00:31:44,399 --> 00:31:46,240
difficult, but it's also like you exceed

818
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:51,039
the F today. Um, but again, I sort of

819
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:54,000
agree. I think it's a makes sense. It's

820
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,039
reasonable. Um,

821
00:31:57,039 --> 00:32:00,480
I guess I would like to see

822
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,240
how one of my elders can take over and

823
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,960
see if they could convince us that this

824
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,960
is a true hardship that meets these

825
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:09,600
standards.

826
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,190
>> And and by elders, I presume you mean

827
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:11,200
» And and by elders, I presume you mean

828
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,399
longer serving members,

829
00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:16,870
>> elders, uh attorneys on the board.

830
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:16,880
» elders, uh attorneys on the board.

831
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,149
>> Well, speaking of attorneys, member

832
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:18,159
» Well, speaking of attorneys, member

833
00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:18,880
Toshansky.

834
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,669
>> Oh, lovely. Um,

835
00:32:23,679 --> 00:32:25,200
so

836
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,760
right now there's a there's a deck

837
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,360
that's structurally unsound that needs

838
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,960
to come down, right? That that's right,

839
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,159
Patrick.

840
00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:35,669
>> According to the applicant, I don't know

841
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:35,679
» According to the applicant, I don't know

842
00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:36,640
that information.

843
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:36,950
>> Okay.

844
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:36,960
» Okay.

845
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,870
>> Which could probably be rebuilt as a

846
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:38,880
» Which could probably be rebuilt as a

847
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,200
matter or repaired as a matter of Right.

848
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:41,990
>> Right.

849
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:42,000
» Right.

850
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,590
>> That's correct. Um,

851
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:45,600
» That's correct. Um,

852
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,760
I mean, I I think that the hardships are

853
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,440
or were more addressed in the packet,

854
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,600
um, as opposed to the presentation, and

855
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,360
I can

856
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,399
I think I can get behind it. Um,

857
00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:06,480
it does seem like a relatively big ask,

858
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,960
um, as mentioned by members.

859
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,799
Um, but I also see that the packet did

860
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:17,360
set forth alternatives that were

861
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,600
considered and um,

862
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,440
one of them was the unscreened decker

863
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,080
patio which is currently what is there

864
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,880
and um, the applicant described or or

865
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,519
stated why that really wouldn't be a

866
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:35,600
feasible option.

867
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,990
Um,

868
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,159
I think I would be for it. I would go

869
00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:43,519
for it.

870
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:45,269
>> I have some question. Maybe Patrick

871
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:45,279
» I have some question. Maybe Patrick

872
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:47,360
knows. Is this like a like a wetland

873
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,519
behind him? Like what is that?

874
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:51,350
>> Uh, this is a Skooki River.

875
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:51,360
» Uh, this is a Skooki River.

876
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,430
>> Yeah, but it's kind of like a ravine

877
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:53,440
» Yeah, but it's kind of like a ravine

878
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,159
than not really,

879
00:33:54,159 --> 00:33:55,430
>> but it's not like a wetland where

880
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:55,440
» but it's not like a wetland where

881
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,279
there's like extra buggy or anything

882
00:33:57,279 --> 00:33:57,840
like that.

883
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,350
>> Well, I mean,

884
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:59,360
» Well, I mean,

885
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,110
>> yeah, it's this is the river. So, I

886
00:34:01,110 --> 00:34:01,120
» yeah, it's this is the river. So, I

887
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,080
mean, there is just flood plane areas. a

888
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,679
lot of the area floods like you know

889
00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:08,079
that next street is like notorious for

890
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:08,879
flooding

891
00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:10,470
>> like all those houses flood

892
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:10,480
» like all those houses flood

893
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,629
>> on Taylor Street.

894
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:12,639
» on Taylor Street.

895
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:14,710
>> I don't know. Okay. Well, if no one has

896
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:14,720
» I don't know. Okay. Well, if no one has

897
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:17,599
information, I'm good.

898
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:19,990
>> Um I guess I just speaking a little bit

899
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:20,000
» Um I guess I just speaking a little bit

900
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,520
on that. So, this property does have a

901
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,919
lot of So, this is like detention

902
00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:26,560
easements and

903
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,119
um just other areas on the property that

904
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:31,359
can't really be built on because of

905
00:34:31,359 --> 00:34:35,440
their proximity to the Skoi River. Um

906
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,800
this would be reviewed by our

907
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,240
engineering and building division to

908
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:40,159
make sure that that uh excess water

909
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,560
would be mitigated from going to

910
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,480
neighboring properties. But uh this is

911
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,079
another condition of the property that

912
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:49,679
just has uh detention easements on it

913
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:55,030
and its proximity to Skooki River.

914
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,200
» Member Trishansky, are you finished?

915
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,270
>> Yeah, I said that I'd be ultimately for

916
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:59,280
» Yeah, I said that I'd be ultimately for

917
00:34:59,280 --> 00:34:59,680
it.

918
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,310
>> Okay. Vice Chair Yemen.

919
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:02,320
» Okay. Vice Chair Yemen.

920
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:03,750
>> Um, [clears throat] I believe the

921
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:03,760
» Um, [clears throat] I believe the

922
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,359
standards have been met. I think that

923
00:35:07,359 --> 00:35:10,880
the letter really does spell out a lot

924
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:16,160
of the issues that makes this a distinct

925
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,800
hardship for this piece of property,

926
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,640
especially when you take into

927
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,240
consideration

928
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:26,079
the proximity to the water and flood

929
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:28,880
planes. And

930
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,079
I understand the need to have

931
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:36,079
an outside area that's inside for this

932
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,880
particular piece of property and also

933
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,839
one that's a little bit elevated too if

934
00:35:41,839 --> 00:35:44,720
it gets that, you know, mushy over

935
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:48,160
there. Um, so I believe the standards

936
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,240
have been met and I would be in favor of

937
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:55,839
this project. I do think the F is a

938
00:35:55,839 --> 00:35:58,640
little bit on the high side, but I don't

939
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,040
think that the ask itself is

940
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,560
unreasonable.

941
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,000
So, I would be willing to grant a

942
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:06,720
variance.

943
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,589
>> Okay. Thank you. Um, well, I'm going to

944
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:09,599
» Okay. Thank you. Um, well, I'm going to

945
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:10,960
throw a little bit of a curveball here

946
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,040
because I don't think that the standards

947
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,760
have been met. Um, I think we've got a

948
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,560
house that appears, unless I'm mistaken,

949
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,480
to be the largest house in the

950
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,599
neighborhood already. Um, it's already

951
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:27,280
exceeding the F F, including the bonus F

952
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,320
by a considerable amount. Um, and I

953
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,520
really can't get behind the idea of it

954
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,320
being a hardship to not be allowed to

955
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,200
expand upon something that is already

956
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,560
well over the F. I think it's kind of

957
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,400
would be flying a little bit in the face

958
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,880
of the zoning code to grant this thing

959
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,880
and saying, "Oh, we've got a big house,

960
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,480
and I'm repeating myself, but it's

961
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,480
substantially over the F, and we're

962
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,359
going to give them even more F." Um,

963
00:36:55,359 --> 00:36:57,599
there's got to be other alternatives to

964
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:01,040
give them uh either, you know, screened

965
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,440
in space or other space without either

966
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,760
by reconfiguring or taking, you know,

967
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,960
whatever. It's not really my role to

968
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,960
advise. it's how to, you know, avoid uh

969
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,440
having to seek this variance. But I just

970
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,240
I can't again b based strictly on the

971
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,160
size and how much it already exceeds the

972
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,040
existing F that's supposed to be there.

973
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,560
Um I can't I can't see justification for

974
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,040
grant granting an even bigger structure.

975
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,240
And I know that's something that

976
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,880
historically uh the the zoning board and

977
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,760
the city council have always expressed

978
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,280
uh that we should be extra vigilant on F

979
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,000
matters so we don't end up having too

980
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,400
much house on too little lot. Um, so I'm

981
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,079
personally don't don't think I think

982
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:50,960
there might be a way to redo this and

983
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,599
you know and come back or or maybe I'm

984
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:57,520
missing some other uh factors that uh

985
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,280
should be given more weight that haven't

986
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,680
been presented to us. But um as it

987
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,520
stands right now I I don't think the

988
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,960
standards are met and I couldn't support

989
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,119
this.

990
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:11,760
So, having said that, um, you your

991
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,839
options at this point are I could ask

992
00:38:13,839 --> 00:38:16,560
for a motion, you can get a I can also

993
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,720
go back and I know a couple people said

994
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:20,640
they were on the fence and said they

995
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,720
were uh waiting to hear what others

996
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:24,640
said. So, if you want me to kind of

997
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,839
repole before we take any take a vote,

998
00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:29,119
I'll be happy to do that. And you're

999
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:31,200
you're nodding, so I'm going to assume.

1000
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,430
>> Is it is it like a unanimous decision

1001
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:33,440
» Is it is it like a unanimous decision

1002
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:33,920
this time?

1003
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,670
>> No, no, no. It just has to be four.

1004
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:35,680
» No, no, no. It just has to be four.

1005
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,520
Well, there's actually six of us, so it

1006
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,079
still would have to be four. Um there's

1007
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:41,760
usually seven or there's supposed to be

1008
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,119
seven, but um there there has to be a

1009
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:46,960
majority of the existing quorum. The

1010
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,119
quorum being six, majority of six in

1011
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:52,160
this case would be four um or more. Um

1012
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,280
so if it's three people voting against,

1013
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,520
um it would not pass. If it if it

1014
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,880
doesn't pass, the the matter is over and

1015
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,520
we we've denied the variation. Um, the

1016
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,800
other option is, and you can wait till I

1017
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,520
poll again if you want me to, um, is you

1018
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,000
could ask for a continuence and come

1019
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,800
back and try and present a more

1020
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,760
compelling case as to why in fact all

1021
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,160
the standards of for granting a variance

1022
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,240
have in fact been met. Um, to try to

1023
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:23,520
convince anyone who may have been

1024
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:28,320
preventing the variance. Um, but uh,

1025
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,400
those are so those are the options. We

1026
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,480
we pretty much routinely would grant

1027
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,320
anyone a continuence if they wanted it.

1028
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,920
So, um would you like me to get a straw

1029
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,680
poll kind of of the board at this point?

1030
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:40,150
>> Yes.

1031
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:40,160
» Yes.

1032
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,910
>> Okay. I'll go back in the the order in

1033
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:41,920
» Okay. I'll go back in the the order in

1034
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,240
which we if I can remember that we

1035
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:46,720
opined uh that would be first member

1036
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:48,880
Arnoff.

1037
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,710
>> So, actually listened.

1038
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:50,720
» So, actually listened.

1039
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:54,310
>> Yeah. So actually after listening to you

1040
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:54,320
» Yeah. So actually after listening to you

1041
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,839
and taking into account that it is

1042
00:39:55,839 --> 00:39:59,599
larger than you know it should be today

1043
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:02,720
not should be that per the F today and

1044
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:06,640
even a larger variance I'm swayed a

1045
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,359
little bit against against it. Um I do

1046
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:10,560
have a Can I ask a question?

1047
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:11,270
>> Sure.

1048
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:11,280
» Sure.

1049
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,109
>> Is the

1050
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:13,119
» Is the

1051
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:16,960
uh room is it heated and cooled or is it

1052
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,920
just like um screens?

1053
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,589
>> Just screens. So there's no ventil

1054
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:21,599
» Just screens. So there's no ventil

1055
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:23,839
there's no HVAC into it. [clears throat]

1056
00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:25,109
>> Okay.

1057
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:25,119
» Okay.

1058
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:27,030
>> The applicant said that there was it's

1059
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:27,040
» The applicant said that there was it's

1060
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,280
just screen. You said there was no HVA

1061
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:30,640
HVAC unit.

1062
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,829
>> Correct.

1063
00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:35,280
» Sorry, I just don't didn't remember.

1064
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,750
>> You're good. It's just a recording. So

1065
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:37,760
» You're good. It's just a recording. So

1066
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:38,150
>> Okay.

1067
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:38,160
» Okay.

1068
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,829
>> Hard to hear them from the audience.

1069
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:39,839
» Hard to hear them from the audience.

1070
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:43,349
>> Okay. Um,

1071
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:43,359
» Okay. Um,

1072
00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:47,280
but I'm I'm like

1073
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,160
on the fence literally on this one.

1074
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,950
>> All right. Member Weissber.

1075
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:52,960
» All right. Member Weissber.

1076
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,270
>> Yeah, I'm pretty much at the same exact

1077
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:55,280
» Yeah, I'm pretty much at the same exact

1078
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,520
spot. Um,

1079
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,119
I mean, trying to think about it more

1080
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:02,160
like, you know, you move into a house

1081
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,920
that's existing as is. You didn't change

1082
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,839
the house, correct?

1083
00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:07,109
>> So, you want to have a screened in

1084
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:07,119
» So, you want to have a screened in

1085
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:09,760
porch. You should be able to, right? But

1086
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,280
again, I I just see it as a mere

1087
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,359
convenience cuz really, like as I said

1088
00:41:13,359 --> 00:41:15,520
before, you could do a pergola. You

1089
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,520
could kind of enclose it without

1090
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,319
enclosing it. You get the same effect.

1091
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:23,839
So, you know, I'd be a no unless, you

1092
00:41:23,839 --> 00:41:25,760
know, there was kind of a I I need to be

1093
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,920
convinced on the standards that, you

1094
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,040
know, I don't I don't want to do too

1095
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,880
much convincing my own to try to like

1096
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,720
make it happen. So, I'd still be a no.

1097
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:35,109
>> Fair enough. Members are asking

1098
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:35,119
» Fair enough. Members are asking

1099
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:38,309
>> um I just question for the applicant.

1100
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:38,319
» um I just question for the applicant.

1101
00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:40,480
Sorry, I broke a record on this, but so

1102
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,680
currently he's asking for 5700 or he has

1103
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,200
5,700.

1104
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,069
>> Asking for

1105
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:46,079
» Asking for

1106
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:48,870
>> asking for and

1107
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:48,880
» asking for and

1108
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:49,839
um

1109
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:53,030
>> there are the figures up on the screen.

1110
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:53,040
» there are the figures up on the screen.

1111
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,790
>> All this whole subdivision was built

1112
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:54,800
» All this whole subdivision was built

1113
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,640
relatively around the same time, right?

1114
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,480
So, is your house much larger than all

1115
00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,359
the other houses?

1116
00:41:59,359 --> 00:42:00,069
>> No.

1117
00:42:00,069 --> 00:42:00,079
» No.

1118
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,630
>> It just again would you just would you

1119
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:02,640
» It just again would you just would you

1120
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,160
mind coming up to the podium?

1121
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:04,710
>> Sure.

1122
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:04,720
» Sure.

1123
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:05,510
>> Thank you.

1124
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:05,520
» Thank you.

1125
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,670
>> I'll remind you you're still sworn in.

1126
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:07,680
» I'll remind you you're still sworn in.

1127
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:08,240
So yeah,

1128
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:12,630
>> it's not the 3771 looks bigger.

1129
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:12,640
» it's not the 3771 looks bigger.

1130
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,069
>> Yeah, the one directly across.

1131
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:14,079
» Yeah, the one directly across.

1132
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:15,430
>> I just I feel like a broken record. It

1133
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:15,440
» I just I feel like a broken record. It

1134
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,040
just the numbers it just doesn't seem

1135
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,960
right. Like something's missing. I don't

1136
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,319
know if it's the architect or if it's

1137
00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:22,880
the assessor or the lot. It just it

1138
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,560
doesn't make sense that

1139
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,589
>> all these houses are over and it's just

1140
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:27,599
» all these houses are over and it's just

1141
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:29,119
confusing. I I guess it'd be more

1142
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:31,760
comfortable, you know, deciding if we

1143
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,760
kind of knew

1144
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,480
with, you know, definitive that, you

1145
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:36,880
know,

1146
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,150
>> what the actual size is.

1147
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:38,160
» what the actual size is.

1148
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,270
>> Yeah, I kind of agree [clears throat]

1149
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:39,280
» Yeah, I kind of agree [clears throat]

1150
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,599
with you. The the and you know what the

1151
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:43,040
actual sizes are important because if

1152
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,200
the if the house is if he's saying his

1153
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,880
house isn't that much bigger than any

1154
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,079
the other ones and his house is 5,300

1155
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:51,119
ft,

1156
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,510
>> I mean on by the numbers, it is a lot

1157
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:53,520
» I mean on by the numbers, it is a lot

1158
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,040
bigger than the other ones. But if it's

1159
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,839
not in reality, then something we're

1160
00:42:57,839 --> 00:42:59,839
missing some information that should be

1161
00:42:59,839 --> 00:43:01,280
pretty relevant in determining whether

1162
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,160
this is

1163
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,349
>> this is appropriate or not,

1164
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:03,359
» this is appropriate or not,

1165
00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:04,790
>> right?

1166
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:04,800
» right?

1167
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,710
>> Um,

1168
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:06,720
» Um,

1169
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:09,030
>> and again, I do see a harsh being by the

1170
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:09,040
» and again, I do see a harsh being by the

1171
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,720
highway and being by, you know, kind of

1172
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:12,960
swampy land that you would need it

1173
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,030
>> um or at least desire it. But at the

1174
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:15,040
» um or at least desire it. But at the

1175
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,040
same time, we are, you know, as the

1176
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,920
chair mentioned, like we're kind of

1177
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,480
bound to sort of execute the city

1178
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,280
council's vision. and it's sort of like

1179
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,119
sensitive to the F request and it's just

1180
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,319
such a gross

1181
00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:32,880
ask that it's, you know, an excess that

1182
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,640
it's just it's it's difficult. So, I

1183
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,480
guess I'm um

1184
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,510
>> computer

1185
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,359
and if I was to vote tonight, I probably

1186
00:43:41,359 --> 00:43:45,359
would approve based on thinking that

1187
00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:47,119
something's skewed with these numbers

1188
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:50,000
and I believe there's a harsh that's met

1189
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,280
because of what you're backing up to,

1190
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,280
but I'm also still I'm not quite there,

1191
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:54,800
but I guess I would be leaning toward an

1192
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,599
approval if we were to, you know, be

1193
00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:59,760
forced to do a vote today. So, okay,

1194
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,270
>> if that helps.

1195
00:44:01,270 --> 00:44:01,280
» if that helps.

1196
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,870
>> Member Trishansky.

1197
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:02,880
» Member Trishansky.

1198
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,390
>> Um, I'm still the same. I I I would

1199
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:06,400
» Um, I'm still the same. I I I would

1200
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,160
approve it.

1201
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,870
>> Okay. Thank you, member Yla.

1202
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:10,880
» Okay. Thank you, member Yla.

1203
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:15,109
>> I too would still vote to approve, but I

1204
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:15,119
» I too would still vote to approve, but I

1205
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:18,720
do hear what you're saying about the the

1206
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:21,599
numbers being really wonky.

1207
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:24,470
>> Okay. Thank you. All right. I haven't

1208
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:24,480
» Okay. Thank you. All right. I haven't

1209
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,400
changed and that was the most recent to

1210
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,880
opine and I my opinion study still

1211
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,079
remains the same. I kind of agree with

1212
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:31,920
members zerinsky that it seems like

1213
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,920
something's off but without knowing for

1214
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,560
sure that's that something's off. It's

1215
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,640
hard to just kind of fly blind and say

1216
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,400
well we think there must be something

1217
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,920
off and because there might be something

1218
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,680
off we're going to give it to you even

1219
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,920
though the information presented to us

1220
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,160
is in fact correct we shouldn't be

1221
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,160
giving it to you. So I would I'd vote

1222
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,079
against it if we were to vote right now.

1223
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:53,920
Patrick, a question.

1224
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,390
>> Would it help I I I saw this on the

1225
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:56,400
» Would it help I I I saw this on the

1226
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:57,520
package and I should have brought a

1227
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,520
computer. I can't read what's on the

1228
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,240
screen. If you looked at every house in

1229
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:04,480
the area and does it show what their F

1230
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,079
ratio is? I can't.

1231
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:08,390
>> No. Provides the lot area and then

1232
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:08,400
» No. Provides the lot area and then

1233
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,670
>> but not the F

1234
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:09,680
» but not the F

1235
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,349
>> gross floor. E correct

1236
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:11,359
» gross floor. E correct

1237
00:45:11,359 --> 00:45:12,790
>> because I think if you had that might

1238
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:12,800
» because I think if you had that might

1239
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,480
get some people more comfortable if you

1240
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,319
saw what each house size is and their F

1241
00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:18,720
ratio.

1242
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:20,870
>> Well, Patrick has it. Well, he had the

1243
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:20,880
» Well, Patrick has it. Well, he had the

1244
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,839
average. It's 37% which is

1245
00:45:23,839 --> 00:45:26,790
>> but you know sometimes averages are

1246
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:26,800
» but you know sometimes averages are

1247
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,119
misleading. I thought put in context of

1248
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:31,280
the five or seven houses around it.

1249
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,790
>> My concern would be like at what point

1250
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:32,800
» My concern would be like at what point

1251
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,960
do you say no on an F though based off

1252
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,040
percentage cuz I think this is testing

1253
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,960
like just forgetting that it makes

1254
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,400
sense. I feel like this would be testing

1255
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,599
the bounds of just that number whatever

1256
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:44,960
it is you know.

1257
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,950
>> Yeah. No, I agree. the FA is supposedly

1258
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:46,960
» Yeah. No, I agree. the FA is supposedly

1259
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,200
there for a reason and in order to

1260
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,839
exceed it we have to have the standards

1261
00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:56,079
met and I you know that's

1262
00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:57,440
we're kind of getting into kind of

1263
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,839
repeat mode. Um at this point Mr. Kaplan

1264
00:46:01,839 --> 00:46:03,476
I'm not even sure how the how the

1265
00:46:03,476 --> 00:46:06,160
[laughter] board would vote 100%. Um I'm

1266
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,440
going to I'm not going to read the tea

1267
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:08,800
leaves for you. I'm going to leave that

1268
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,520
up to you. Um, so you do have the option

1269
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,040
at this point of asking us to call a

1270
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,960
vote on the manner or you have an option

1271
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,119
of continuing it. Um, it's up to you.

1272
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:23,829
>> If if the vote goes through, can I then

1273
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:23,839
» If if the vote goes through, can I then

1274
00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:25,680
also have a continuence? If it

1275
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,430
>> No, if you if well, if the vote goes

1276
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:27,440
» No, if you if well, if the vote goes

1277
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,000
through and you are granted the

1278
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,119
variance, you it's over. if it if it's

1279
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:34,400
if it goes through and you're not

1280
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,720
granted the variance, it's also over and

1281
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:39,760
you're unless I'm mistating things.

1282
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,670
>> I will note that. So, if you make a

1283
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:41,680
» I will note that. So, if you make a

1284
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,920
motion to approve and if that fails,

1285
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,280
that just means the motion to approve

1286
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,800
has failed. Um, and then you would

1287
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,000
create a motion to uh I didn't bring a

1288
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,920
document to deny the uh request. So, I

1289
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,760
would then have to draft documentation

1290
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,599
and then you would have to adopt the

1291
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:02,000
denial order. Is there not a rule that

1292
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,319
if a variation is denied that there's a

1293
00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:06,880
certain time before you can reapply for

1294
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,720
the same variance

1295
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:10,319
one year?

1296
00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:12,630
>> I I think there is. I'm not not 100%

1297
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:12,640
» I I think there is. I'm not not 100%

1298
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:13,040
sure.

1299
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,670
>> Um I don't know off the top of my head.

1300
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:15,680
» Um I don't know off the top of my head.

1301
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,319
Um it's just that that would also give

1302
00:47:18,319 --> 00:47:21,680
the applicant time to possibly come back

1303
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,880
with new plans at that next meeting

1304
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,720
because you would then need to adopt the

1305
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:29,599
denial order.

1306
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:31,270
>> Right. Say that. Say that again.

1307
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:31,280
» Right. Say that. Say that again.

1308
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,550
>> So, if the motion to approve fails here,

1309
00:47:34,550 --> 00:47:34,560
» So, if the motion to approve fails here,

1310
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,750
>> you then need to motion staff to draft

1311
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:37,760
» you then need to motion staff to draft

1312
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,920
denial orders because that's not before

1313
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,520
you. I only have the drafted approval

1314
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,000
orders. Um

1315
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,160
then so that would go to a next meeting.

1316
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,520
It would essentially work like a

1317
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,280
continuence where the applicant would

1318
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,680
then have time to talk with his

1319
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,359
architect and possibly reformat plans

1320
00:47:55,359 --> 00:47:59,440
and um they could propose new materials

1321
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,240
for you. Um so then at that next meeting

1322
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:04,640
you could either approve of the denial

1323
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,440
order or based off of what the applicant

1324
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,079
has brought before you again could sway

1325
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:13,359
you to have a approval order.

1326
00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:15,109
>> Okay. Um I understand what you're

1327
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:15,119
» Okay. Um I understand what you're

1328
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:17,119
saying, Patrick. I'm just questioning in

1329
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:18,160
the past

1330
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:18,630
>> that's

1331
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:18,640
» that's

1332
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,750
>> when we've all when we've denied a

1333
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:21,760
» when we've all when we've denied a

1334
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,000
variance the variance has been denied

1335
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,800
and we I don't recall specifically

1336
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,040
asking a because a denial order could be

1337
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,119
as simple as the variation is denied.

1338
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:33,119
You could draft that in you know

1339
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:36,079
literally 30 seconds. So I I don't

1340
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:38,960
recall matters being continued to

1341
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,760
approve a denial letter. Um, maybe I'm

1342
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,119
wrong, but I don't

1343
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:45,349
>> I do know that we still need to record a

1344
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:45,359
» I do know that we still need to record a

1345
00:48:45,359 --> 00:48:48,640
denial order and that material is not uh

1346
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,040
in the packet. So, it would need to be

1347
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,480
in the public packet in order for OMA.

1348
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,760
Um, it would be an OMA violation uh in

1349
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,520
order to you couldn't I couldn't just

1350
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,200
provide that to you and sign it. It

1351
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,800
would kind of be a legal document that

1352
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,359
needs to be uh in the record.

1353
00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:09,270
>> Um, that's how Carl has told it to me.

1354
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:09,280
» Um, that's how Carl has told it to me.

1355
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,720
Did you have something to add? Uh I was

1356
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:17,040
going to agree with you Jamie that or

1357
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,839
for chair Bart that

1358
00:49:19,839 --> 00:49:23,359
in the past it has seemed to be more of

1359
00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:27,440
if it's not granted it is denied and

1360
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,839
then yes there does need to be another

1361
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:33,920
motion drafted that says that but

1362
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,119
um so this is a little bit different

1363
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:37,680
than

1364
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,109
>> are you saying that the path I'm sorry

1365
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:39,119
» are you saying that the path I'm sorry

1366
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:40,079
to interrupt but are you saying the

1367
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:41,599
pathway would then

1368
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:44,079
for him to come back and before we

1369
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:46,640
actually approve the denial order to try

1370
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,400
to convince us to not approve the denial

1371
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:49,440
order. I mean

1372
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,190
>> he could bring new materials if he'd

1373
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:51,200
» he could bring new materials if he'd

1374
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,480
wishes. Um

1375
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,829
>> that kind of seems like a an odd path to

1376
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:55,839
» that kind of seems like a an odd path to

1377
00:49:55,839 --> 00:49:57,440
traverse, but um

1378
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,549
>> yeah. Um but I asked Carl and that's

1379
00:50:00,549 --> 00:50:00,559
» yeah. Um but I asked Carl and that's

1380
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:02,319
kind of how the process he laid it out

1381
00:50:02,319 --> 00:50:05,440
for me. Um I can

1382
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,359
I will speak with corporation council to

1383
00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:10,160
verify if that's correct. Um but that's

1384
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,480
how it's been told to me.

1385
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,230
>> Guess after 8 years my last meeting I

1386
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:14,240
» Guess after 8 years my last meeting I

1387
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:16,960
can learn some huge [laughter]

1388
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,000
members.

1389
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,950
>> I just wanted to say um I just I I read

1390
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:20,960
» I just wanted to say um I just I I read

1391
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,880
I read your letter again

1392
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,349
>> and while I don't think that you

1393
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:25,359
» and while I don't think that you

1394
00:50:25,359 --> 00:50:27,119
specifically walk through every single

1395
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:30,000
standard to prove them out. It it is a

1396
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,160
good letter and it does help me get over

1397
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,800
the finish line and I would support your

1398
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,480
variation. I don't know, you know, that

1399
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,000
gets you the votes you need, but I would

1400
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:38,800
vote for you.

1401
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,790
>> Thank you. And I I honestly I didn't

1402
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:40,800
» Thank you. And I I honestly I didn't

1403
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,520
realize I was going to be speaking, so I

1404
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,200
would have brushed up on what I had

1405
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,440
said. So, I apologize for that.

1406
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:48,950
>> But thank you.

1407
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:48,960
» But thank you.

1408
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,670
>> All right. Um, if no one else from the

1409
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:51,680
» All right. Um, if no one else from the

1410
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,680
board has anything to say, I will just

1411
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,680
ask you what your preference is at the

1412
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:56,960
present time.

1413
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,630
>> I um motion to to vote, I guess.

1414
00:51:00,630 --> 00:51:00,640
» I um motion to to vote, I guess.

1415
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,390
>> Okay. I'll entertain a motion at this

1416
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:02,400
» Okay. I'll entertain a motion at this

1417
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,870
point.

1418
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,319
U motion to vote. I'm sorry. Well, it's

1419
00:51:10,319 --> 00:51:10,960
got to be

1420
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,950
>> I will note that if you do motion to

1421
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:12,960
» I will note that if you do motion to

1422
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,760
approve, you do have to vote yes. Like

1423
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,599
if you are the first, you have to be a

1424
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:18,400
yes.

1425
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,870
>> Vice Cherry Avlon makes a motion to

1426
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:20,880
» Vice Cherry Avlon makes a motion to

1427
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,079
approve the motion as drafted.

1428
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:25,829
>> Okay. Do I have a second?

1429
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:25,839
» Okay. Do I have a second?

1430
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:27,270
>> I'll second.

1431
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:27,280
» I'll second.

1432
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,660
>> Okay. Um we have a motion

1433
00:51:29,660 --> 00:51:29,670
» Okay. Um we have a motion

1434
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:31,119
[clears throat] by Vice Chair Yamlan to

1435
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:33,760
approve the variation as requested.

1436
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,640
And I assume that means to sign the

1437
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,040
variance approval order as written and

1438
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,280
as seconded by member Tenski.

1439
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,640
Trashansky. Can we get a roll call vote

1440
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:45,680
please? Patrick.

1441
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,910
>> Member Arnoff.

1442
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:47,920
» Member Arnoff.

1443
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:48,950
>> I.

1444
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:48,960
» I.

1445
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:49,990
>> Member Weissberg.

1446
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:50,000
» Member Weissberg.

1447
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,589
>> Nay.

1448
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:51,599
» Nay.

1449
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:52,710
>> Member Tashansky.

1450
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:52,720
» Member Tashansky.

1451
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:53,430
>> I.

1452
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:53,440
» I.

1453
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:54,549
>> Member Zeransky.

1454
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:54,559
» Member Zeransky.

1455
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:55,349
>> I.

1456
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:55,359
» I.

1457
00:51:55,359 --> 00:51:56,630
>> Vice Chair Yavlon.

1458
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:56,640
» Vice Chair Yavlon.

1459
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:57,270
>> I.

1460
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:57,280
» I.

1461
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:58,230
>> Chair Bay.

1462
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:58,240
» Chair Bay.

1463
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:02,309
>> Nay. Motion passes 4 to2.

1464
00:52:02,309 --> 00:52:02,319
» Nay. Motion passes 4 to2.

1465
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:03,359
Thank you.

1466
00:52:03,359 --> 00:52:04,790
>> It's a close one.

1467
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:04,800
» It's a close one.

1468
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,470
>> I didn't know what to do. I don't know

1469
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:06,480
» I didn't know what to do. I don't know

1470
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:07,040
either. It's

1471
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,230
>> on the edge of my seat belt. [laughter]

1472
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:10,240
» on the edge of my seat belt. [laughter]

1473
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:10,870
>> That's it.

1474
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:10,880
» That's it.

1475
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,349
>> Yeah. Congratulations.

1476
00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:17,920
» I think that's the first I've ever had.

1477
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,160
I don't know how it's going to go.

1478
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:20,790
>> Thank you.

1479
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:20,800
» Thank you.

1480
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,390
>> Thank you.

1481
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:22,400
» Thank you.

1482
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,790
>> Okay.

1483
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:24,800
» Okay.

1484
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,309
>> And item number six is a staff report.

1485
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:28,319
» And item number six is a staff report.

1486
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:30,240
Do we have a staff report,

1487
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:31,670
>> Patrick? No staff report.

1488
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:31,680
» Patrick? No staff report.

1489
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,870
>> No staff report. Okay. Item number seven

1490
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:34,880
» No staff report. Okay. Item number seven

1491
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,720
is miscellaneous.

1492
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:38,640
And there's one item of miscellaneous

1493
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,200
entitled outgoing member. Anyone have

1494
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,599
anything they want to say on that?

1495
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:46,549
>> Uh vice chair. Yeah. One would like to

1496
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:46,559
» Uh vice chair. Yeah. One would like to

1497
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:49,200
make a proclamation.

1498
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,359
Whereas Jamie Bay has served with

1499
00:52:51,359 --> 00:52:53,119
distinction as a member of the zoning

1500
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:56,400
board of appeals since January 2017,

1501
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,000
leading and participating in

1502
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,800
consideration of cases essential to the

1503
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,880
improvement of this community, its

1504
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,720
neighborhoods, and the quality of life

1505
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:07,839
therein. And whereas Jamie Bay was

1506
00:53:07,839 --> 00:53:09,839
responsible for promoting and increasing

1507
00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:12,160
community awareness of the need for

1508
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,079
sound residential and commercial

1509
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:16,160
planning and the need to appropriately

1510
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,000
design public and private improvements

1511
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,800
in Highland Park during their tenure on

1512
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,839
the zoning board of appeals. And whereas

1513
00:53:23,839 --> 00:53:25,599
in being the institutional memory for

1514
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:27,359
the zoning board and in serving with

1515
00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:29,760
honor, their public service attests to

1516
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,800
their steadfast integrity, wisdom, and

1517
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,760
excellence of character. Be it therefore

1518
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,400
resolved that the member of the zoning

1519
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,160
board of appeals of Highland Park do

1520
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,040
hereby recognize Jaime Bay for their

1521
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,720
dedicated and untiring public service

1522
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:49,200
as a member of the board on behalf of

1523
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,400
the residents of the city.

1524
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,960
And it is further resolved that in an

1525
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,440
expression of our respect and grateful

1526
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,079
appreciation to Jamie Ba's service, we

1527
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:02,720
hereby adopt this resolution as a

1528
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:05,119
permanent record thereof on the 20th day

1529
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:08,160
of November, 2025 in Highland Park,

1530
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,960
Illinois. Thank you for your service.

1531
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,150
>> Sounds like a nice guy. I'll have to

1532
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:12,160
» Sounds like a nice guy. I'll have to

1533
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,000
meet him someday.

1534
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,630
>> Okay. Thank you. Um, [singing]

1535
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:16,640
» Okay. Thank you. Um, [singing]

1536
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,720
okay. That brings us to item number

1537
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:19,440
eight.

1538
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:20,790
>> I just want to say one thing. I just

1539
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:20,800
» I just want to say one thing. I just

1540
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,680
wanted to comment that I think Jamie has

1541
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,440
been a phenomenal board member,

1542
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,599
phenomenal leader, a great perspective

1543
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:30,480
on this board and um surely we will be

1544
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,640
missed by by myself and I would imagine

1545
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,240
everybody else as well. So, thank you

1546
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:35,119
for all you've done.

1547
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:37,109
>> Thank you. I appreciate it. Truly. Thank

1548
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:37,119
» Thank you. I appreciate it. Truly. Thank

1549
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:40,720
you. Okay. And I will also say before

1550
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:42,319
calling for adjournment that it it has

1551
00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:44,480
been an honor and a privilege to serve.

1552
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:45,839
I know it sounds corny, but it really

1553
00:54:45,839 --> 00:54:47,680
has. I've I've learned a lot. Can't

1554
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,839
believe it's already been eight years.

1555
00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:52,720
um served with two great staff people,

1556
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:56,640
Patrick and Carl, before and um and

1557
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,440
yeah, I'm I'm relieved that I'll have

1558
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,200
Thursday nights to plan without worrying

1559
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:02,559
about anything anymore, but I'll also

1560
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:04,559
miss quite a bit. So,

1561
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:07,123
>> you're not going to watch?

1562
00:55:07,123 --> 00:55:07,133
» you're not going to watch?

1563
00:55:07,133 --> 00:55:07,280
[laughter]

1564
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,910
>> You won't be watching.

1565
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:09,920
» You won't be watching.

1566
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,430
>> It'll be in person.

1567
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:11,440
» It'll be in person.

1568
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,510
>> Yes, I'll be I'll be the I'll be the one

1569
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:13,520
» Yes, I'll be I'll be the I'll be the one

1570
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,000
viewer [laughter] watching it live. So,

1571
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,839
I probably will watch occasionally I'll

1572
00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:19,119
watch some of the recordings just to

1573
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:20,720
say, "Hey, what's going on in the zone

1574
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:22,400
court without me?" So, you know, so

1575
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,119
although I have every I I think although

1576
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:26,640
it hasn't been official yet, but I have

1577
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,880
every confidence that my replacement

1578
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,240
will be quite up to the task. So, I

1579
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:33,440
leave you in good hands.

1580
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:34,790
>> It's been 8 years. When you say like 8

1581
00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:34,800
» It's been 8 years. When you say like 8

1582
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,440
years, it's like a weird long

1583
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:38,160
It's a lot of years.

1584
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,030
>> Go so fast. Go so fast. So,

1585
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:41,040
» Go so fast. Go so fast. So,

1586
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,349
>> all right. That's all I got. as my as my

1587
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:43,359
» all right. That's all I got. as my as my

1588
00:55:43,359 --> 00:55:45,040
my kids like to say that's all I got

1589
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,880
then so um with that I'm item number

1590
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,559
eight adjournment I will entertain a

1591
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:52,480
motion

1592
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,950
>> motion to adjourn

1593
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:54,960
» motion to adjourn

1594
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:55,910
>> a second

1595
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:55,920
» a second

1596
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,430
>> okay all in favor

1597
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:57,440
» okay all in favor

1598
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:58,150
>> I

1599
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:58,160
» I

1600
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:04,309
>> I any opposed no we are adjourned

1601
00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:07,760
so nothing two weeks we're done uh so I

1602
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,760
don't