Hello everybody. We uh please rise and
serve the flag
to the flag of the United States of
America and to
stand
indivisible with liy and justice for
all.
As as per requirement, no discipline
given this regular meeting of the Bureau
of Highlands Land Use Board and all
requirements are met. Notice has been
transferred to Yasper Park Press into
theater. Those have been posted on the
Bolton board. For a should be taken roll
call, please
>> here. Chief Burton
» here. Chief Burton
>> here. Missky
» here. Missky
>> here. Mr. S
» here. Mr. S
>> here.
» here.
>> Mr. Moscala
» Mr. Moscala
>> here.
» here.
>> Miss Larusa
» Miss Larusa
>> here. Mr. Knox
» here. Mr. Knox
>> here.
» here.
>> Miss Tierney.
» Miss Tierney.
Mr. Mr. Zil,
Miss Chang
>> here,
» here,
>> Mr. Kramer,
» Mr. Kramer,
Mr. Cody
>> here,
» here,
>> Miss Vickery here.
» Miss Vickery here.
>> Okay, thank you. At [clears throat] this
» Okay, thank you. At [clears throat] this
point, uh, open for public comments.
This is for general questions or
comments not pertaining to any
applications we have, but on how this
board operates or any of our, you know,
procedures. Any questions from the
audience on how we do our thing?
>> Okay, it'd be good.
And again, it's just um nothing about
any cases we have, just about general.
>> Yep. And then just spell, state your
» Yep. And then just spell, state your
name, and provide your address.
>> Melissa Peterson with the N7 Bay Street.
» Melissa Peterson with the N7 Bay Street.
Procedurally, if something was to be on
the agenda, before it is on the agenda,
you would have to send out
notifications. Correct.
notifications to be a proper
>> um if the application has to notice they
» um if the application has to notice they
will notice uh people within 200 uh ft
of their of the of the said property
>> are there certain aspects where they
» are there certain aspects where they
don't have to be notified?
>> No, I can I think I can jump in here.
» No, I can I think I can jump in here.
Are you referring to Ross Builders the
application for Bay Street? So, they
were on the agenda. It was anticipated
that they were coming to tonight's
meeting that that's what they were going
to be noticing for. We received, sorry,
just make sure everything gets captured.
The board received notification that
they had not noticed for this meeting
and would request to be heard in
October. So whenever they are heard,
which presumably will be October, they
will notice everyone within 200 ft as
required by the municipal land use law.
So no notices went out tonight because
they're not on the agenda tonight and
they're not going to be heard. They were
originally on the agenda because it was
assumed that they were going to be heard
tonight and in which case the notices
would have been reviewed. The law
doesn't require notices to be provided
until
I I forget it. 3 days 10 no you have to
have a notice out but the publication
doesn't have to be provided to the board
until 3 days before. So the assumption
is that it was on the agenda but once we
received notification that they didn't
notice and they wanted to be heard in
October it was pulled from the agenda.
So therefore they will notice whenever
that is presumably for the October
meeting.
» The the not again the there's a tenative
agenda that gets posted but agenda the
revised agenda that was up today or at
least more recently had removed it once
the board was notified. So again usually
the notices get sent out or they have to
be sent out 10 days ahead. Then the
applicant submits proof which is an
affidavit of mailing that they submit
that to the board which then I then
review. In this case once it became
known that they hadn't done that they
requested to be car carried but again
it's not really a carry cuz they'll have
to renotice or notice in the first
place.
>> Yeah they haven't they haven't noticed
» Yeah they haven't they haven't noticed
yet you know so you will get something
in your mail certified mail and that'll
uh you know give you the heads up on
when they're going to come before this
board.
>> Okay. And I I guess my other question is
» Okay. And I I guess my other question is
because I've been through this before
and I got the notice after the meeting.
So procedurally I wanted to understand
how that worked. Um also we had people
calling council and we're told that the
notices had gone out and to check with
the post office but we everybody's
running around going back and forth
trying to figure out if they go out
where were the notices were there
tracking numbers. Um, so
it's a little bit
agenda.
>> I think you should.
» I think you should.
>> It's the problem is the law only
» It's the problem is the law only
requires that they have to submit the
proof that they did publish 3 days
before the meeting and usually the
agenda is posted in advance of that. So
there's an assumption that when the
applicant is told they're ready for a
meeting that that's the meeting that
they would be noticing for. In this case
that didn't happen. But and just to
answer the other point, it'll go out
certified mail. So there will be
tracking numbers. Also, the notice will
be posted to the the burough website.
The burough website has a public notices
page. So the notice will also be posted
there 10 days in advance of the meeting
as are all public notices in the bureau.
So the other issue is just the realities
of life that mail sometimes doesn't get
there quickly and sometimes doesn't get
there at all. the law only requires that
they send it to the addresses as
required. So in the event that the
mailing doesn't get to you until a later
date, that's the the law just provides
that they have to mail it out. But in
this case, like I said to all others,
the notice is going to be posted on the
burough website under the public notices
page. So I would say the the best way is
to check that because even though the
notices go out again, the US postal
service is not infallible. So, and just
to add to that, [clears throat]
typically um the board finds out the
same time the public finds out. So,
there's no like, you know, uh deception
involved, you know. So, we find out
they're going to be on, you know,
through an agenda. Um it starts that
whole process and in that process, part
of it is being certified mailed to the
residents of the, you know, 200 foot
radius. So, again, we kind of find out
more or less what you find out.
I I'll answer that. Our professionals
may be doing behind the scenes with
their professionals to try to tidy up
some stuff before they come before the
board. So, not a big lengthy uh part on
something that is easily fixed with uh
engineers and such like that. Okay.
State your name and address.
>> Thank you. Kathleen Dylan, 15 Street,
» Thank you. Kathleen Dylan, 15 Street,
daughter J. D.
So we I think that all of you are
probably aware that we issued a speak to
that because this is a simply general
questions but we did cite a specific
section of proposing board regulations
that seem to suggest that 10 days notice
to the residence required not
>> it it is 10 days. That's why I'm saying
» it it is 10 days. That's why I'm saying
but the board we as the board or sorry
I'm not the board I'm the board
attorney. The board though doesn't have
to receive proof the proof that it was
published until 3 days in advance of the
meeting. So it's two different timings.
You're right that the notice has to go
out has to be physically mailed and
posted at least 10 days in advance. So
that that is accurate. But
>> ask to consider revising that
» ask to consider revising that
>> that's it's a state statute.
» that's it's a state statute.
>> It's a state.
» It's a state.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> It's very interesting because it defeats
» It's very interesting because it defeats
the purpose of notice effectively. I I I
can't necessarily disagree at times.
Like I said, it it is what it is,
though. I don't I It's the municipal
land use law. It's a state statute. So,
for better or worse, the board is guided
by that and has to abide by it. And just
to add to that, that's what this board's
uh responsibility is. You know, they'll
come in and basically they have
variances, of course. um [clears throat]
uh they'll commit before this board and
uh plead their case on why this board
should allow them to do things that are
not permitted per se. So it's not a
guarantee. They have to come here and
kind of uh you know
>> that's very important
is very important to us.
>> Yes, of course.
» Yes, of course.
And just to add to that too, they'll
present their case uh in a public format
such as this and the public is of course
there to ask questions through their
professionals and hear their testimony
and and the whole the whole thing
>> provided the public is aware that the
» provided the public is aware that the
discussion will happen. when we
contacted the burrow about the August
13th date um and learned that not
available for our own
given an alternate date 910 so now it's
October so haven't the same
you said October is that what they're
>> yeah when it was again when this so that
» yeah when it was again when this so that
when this was first presented to the
board the applicant had said you know
they weren't they didn't notice they
were going to ask to be carried to the
next date and then I believe just
through subsequent contact today they
actually requested for the October date
but I can assure you before the board
even if they notice for a hearing date
say it's October whatever it may be if
their notice is defective in any way
shape or form they won't be heard and I
will review the notices that they both I
and I'll let you ask I didn't mean to
cut you off but uh the I'll review the
notice that gets physically published as
well as the certified mailings and
compare it against there's a list that
they request from the tax assessor that
certifies a list. These are the people
within 200 feet and they mail based off
of that list.
>> I have a followup question. Is an is an
» I have a followup question. Is an is an
applicant who has not yet served notice
to residents within 200 ft
uh set a final date um for your
application permitted to enter the
property of residents within 200 ft to
take pictures, take measurements without
residents. I I can't that's beyond the
performance
>> but also it's not something for the I
» but also it's not something for the I
would just say that's not within the
perview of the land use board. I would
say that's a question better directed
for you know time otherwise
>> directed to chief
» directed to chief
>> yeah
» yeah
chief but you can talk to everybody
after the meeting if you want if you're
going to stay if not you can go
downstairs report with the officers that
are down there now if you like
>> okay
» okay
anybody else have any questions on how
we do our business around here okay then
uh moving [clears throat] along uh
action on other businesses. Review the
the amendment of the amended central
business district redevelopment.
>> I'm missing review the ordinance
» I'm missing review the ordinance
amending the amended central business
district plan. There's a missing word.
>> Okay. [laughter]
» Okay. [laughter]
Thank you. Okay. Um so this is a
consistency review. Uh there was an
ordinance uh that was introduced
[clears throat] by the governing body on
July 15th, ordinance 202620.
uh which this ordinance is then as a uh
as an ordinance imp altering the land
use elements of the land use plan in
this case the central business district
redevelopment plan. It gets referred to
the land use board for what is known as
a consistency review. So in this case
the land use board will operate in its
planning board capacity and will reach a
decision as to whether the proposed
ordinance is not substantially
inconsistent with the master plan.
And just to pick up on that, um our
office um prepared a memo dated July
31st, 2026
um which evaluated the um the ordinance
to determine whether it was consistent
or not inconsistent with the 2016
uh re-examination report and our
conclusion was that it was not
inconsistent with the master plan.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Thank you.
Uh looking for a motion on that. Unless
you want to answer that.
>> Oh, okay.
» Oh, okay.
>> Okay. I'll offer that motion.
» Okay. I'll offer that motion.
>> Second.
» Mayor Brian.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Chief Burton.
» Chief Burton.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Miss Larusa.
» Miss Larusa.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Mr. Mova.
» Mr. Mova.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Misses.
» Misses.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Mr. S.
» Mr. S.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Mr. Zil.
» Mr. Zil.
Mr. Knock.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Miss Chang.
» Miss Chang.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Mr. Kramer.
» Mr. Kramer.
>> Mr. Cody.
» Mr. Cody.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Miss Victory.
» Miss Victory.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Okay. Uh item number two, review of the
» Okay. Uh item number two, review of the
master plan survey results.
Um I mean I guess maybe counter this is
maybe something you want to talk about a
little bit.
>> Um I'll get into it when we talk about
» Um I'll get into it when we talk about
the survey, but Susan, if you want to.
Yeah, let me just um because I I I just
want to kind of supplement the survey
results based upon what you received in
the in your packet as well, which is a
draft of the [clears throat]
re-examination report um which was
prepared by our office. Clearly, the
survey results were an important
component of that um draft and uh and
provided guidelines as to policy
decisions and recommendations. I would
just note um Megan Adams from our office
is here. She was uh extremely helpful
with putting this together. Um and um
there are very specific just to I know
the board for purposes of the public as
well there [clears throat] is a
requirement that every at least every 10
years the municipality
the land use board must review
its um master plan and determine there's
very specific provisions in there
determine basically whether the goals
and object objectives and the
assumptions still remain the same
whether they have been addressed
uh and at the end in terms of new
recommendations that may come up based
upon that assessment. So we looked back
at the 2016 master plan. We looked at
the goals and objectives
um certain of what has happened since
then. A lot has happened in this bureau
since 2016 and most very good um I must
say and um and then look and determine
what the recommendations are. A key
component of this and certainly the
mayor can go through this a little in
more detail. A key component was uh a
survey and the results of the survey
that were out there to determine
what I guess I guess I would say what
everybody thinks about the town
>> and what they think are the positives
» and what they think are the positives
and the negatives and the issues and
what should be done because that
provides the basis for master plan
recommendations which ultimately are
implemented through ordinances.
So just this provides the basis for
ordinance changes. So so that's I I if
anybody has any questions that's fine
but I just kind of wanted to give that
highlight. Only [clears throat] one
question. Excuse me. Um I think time's
up right. This is our our year. This is
our this is the year.
>> Yeah. Right. Okay. and and what um I
» Yeah. Right. Okay. and and what um I
would say is likely the next step would
be to provide to create and prepare a
land use plan element which is the more
detailed piece okay reszoning
recommendations and such um and
sustainability consider and resiliency
considerations for that but that's in
here but the but certainly the re-exam
and gives a broad overview and is
consistent statutoily with what is
required.
>> I guess uh procedurally do we do that as
» I guess uh procedurally do we do that as
an executive meeting or is that
something that we have as an open
meeting?
>> It's an open meeting.
» It's an open meeting.
>> Okay. Sure.
» Okay. Sure.
>> So that'll be on an agenda item and
» So that'll be on an agenda item and
we'll have a specific day where we
>> get into it a little bit.
» get into it a little bit.
>> Yes, it is. And it and it would be
» Yes, it is. And it and it would be
>> it would be in my opinion I'm not
» it would be in my opinion I'm not
speaking but publicly noticed. It would
be a public input and comment. Clearly,
we wanted to get the draft out to the
board for you to look at and if there
are any changes that you believe are
appropriate prior to setting up that
public meeting and and putting the
master plan, the draftation
report for public hearing as such. Well,
then uh as a thought, should we maybe
create a hard date on that like October
or November? Because we got to get this
wrapped up by the new year.
>> I would think it need to be voted on in
» I would think it need to be voted on in
December
>> and then the council would have to take
» and then the council would have to take
care of it in December.
>> Well, the council doesn't deal with
» Well, the council doesn't deal with
this. This is this is the way it's
implemented is through ordinances.
>> Okay. But this is this is your document
» Okay. But this is this is your document
um as a board. So it doesn't go any
further for purposes of this document
this. So I'm we're fine with that, but
we wanted to give you the opportunity to
um be able to look at it, determine
whether there were any changes. If if
you would like to set up, that's your
call as to how you want to.
>> Well, I just think is, you know, just in
» Well, I just think is, you know, just in
the fact that, you know, we'll be at the
new year before we know it. You know,
>> it would be good to
» it would be good to
>> be in September in what, two weeks and
» be in September in what, two weeks and
November there.
>> Don't say that.
» Don't say that.
>> Don't say that. The summer can't be over
» Don't say that. The summer can't be over
yet, right? [laughter]
>> So, it again, better to to do it earlier
» So, it again, better to to do it earlier
rather than later. But at the same time,
we didn't want to presume that this
draft was ready for
formal. Okay. I would think November
would probably be an appropriate date
because we have the Ross in October
which obviously we have some people here
for that.
>> It appears that way.
» It appears that way.
>> I would I think I alluded to that during
» I would I think I alluded to that during
our meeting.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
» Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Um so I would think November might be a
» Um so I would think November might be a
>> that would be something on the agenda
» that would be something on the agenda
and kind of prepare
>> best we can to kind of come you know to
» best we can to kind of come you know to
get something rolling and have another
month to really hash it out and at that
point year is going to reset itself.
Sure. And that's perfectly fine with
with us. We can certainly get whatever
input and that's fine. I mean, this is a
very I don't know if everyone's grabbed
a um a packet, but there's a lot in
here. Um it's very comprehensive. Um and
I think it would approve everyone to uh
take a read of this. Um also, I've left
the survey uh the survey is still open.
We're still getting responses. So, I'll
be updating those uh preliminary results
that I put out to you guys and then once
we lock it down, I'll take the survey
down and then we'll put the preliminary
results um on the website.
>> Yeah. So, we're encouraging the town to
» Yeah. So, we're encouraging the town to
uh you know, help us out on this.
Obviously, the residents here are what
we're all about and we want to make sure
we're going forward in the right
direction. So,
okay. Um
is that even an offer of Yeah,
>> that's just a review.
» that's just a review.
>> Just review. Okay, very good. Okay. Um
» Just review. Okay, very good. Okay. Um
communication of vouchers approve of
minutes. Uh
>> I just want to say one thing on
» I just want to say one thing on
communications to vouchers. So for the
sea streak application that is the
tenative special hearing date on that
will be September 30th at the uh high
school. um that is everyone is
available, the applicant and the board.
Um I know Kate is in the process of
securing the facility from the school.
They've said it's available. So it's a
paperwork uh thing at this time and then
again there'll be a special meeting
notice that will go out for that from
the board side because
>> will be noticed.
» will be noticed.
>> Yeah. Notice the special meeting and
» Yeah. Notice the special meeting and
then sea street will independently have
to notice as an applicant for the
meeting as well.
>> And that is Wednesday it looks like.
» And that is Wednesday it looks like.
>> Correct. Wednesday, September 30th, and
» Correct. Wednesday, September 30th, and
that will be at the high school, but
again, there will be a public notice on
that that will go out at probably not in
the immediate future, but obviously well
in advance of the
>> I guess the the 10day thing.
» I guess the the 10day thing.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
Um Okay. So, uh that's that approval of
minutes uh 07-09
2026
uh regular meeting minutes.
All for a motion on that. Make a motion.
Second,
» Mayor Bion.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Chief Burton,
» Chief Burton,
>> yes.
» yes.
>> Miss Larusa,
» Miss Larusa,
>> yes.
» yes.
>> Mr. Rona,
» Mr. Rona,
>> yes.
» yes.
>> Missky,
» Missky,
>> yes.
» yes.
>> Mr. Sia,
» Mr. Sia,
>> yes.
» yes.
>> Mr.
» Mr.
Mr. T.
>> Mr. Knox,
» Mr. Knox,
>> yes.
» yes.
>> Miss Chang,
» Miss Chang,
>> yes.
» yes.
>> Mr. Kramer,
» Mr. Kramer,
>> Mr. Cody,
» Mr. Cody,
>> yes.
» yes.
>> Miss Vicky,
» Miss Vicky,
>> yes.
» yes.
>> Okay, thank you.
» Okay, thank you.
[clears throat] Under resolutions, LUV
26-01, Dun, 26 Avenue, block 76,
lot 9, Oak Variance approval.
>> Look for a motion.
» Look for a motion.
>> Motion.
» Motion.
Frank it [laughter]
mission.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Chief Burton.
» Chief Burton.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Miss Louisa.
» Miss Louisa.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Mr. Montala.
» Mr. Montala.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Miss Oeski.
» Miss Oeski.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Mr. S.
» Mr. S.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Mr. Zil. Absent. Mr. Ch. Absent. Mr.
» Mr. Zil. Absent. Mr. Ch. Absent. Mr.
Knox.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Miss Chang.
» Miss Chang.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Mr. Kramer.
» Mr. Kramer.
>> Absent. Mr. Cody.
» Absent. Mr. Cody.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Miss Vicky.
» Miss Vicky.
>> Yes. [clears throat]
» Yes. [clears throat]
>> Okay. Thank you. Uh hearings on old
» Okay. Thank you. Uh hearings on old
business. There is none. Here's our new
business. There is none. Um,
>> may I raise another question?
» may I raise another question?
>> Uh, sure. Just take a microphone,
» Uh, sure. Just take a microphone,
please.
>> I'm not sure if this old business.
» Okay, we'll get I'm sorry. Just get
closer to the microphone and yeah, start
again. Say your name.
So, I'm not sure this is over business
because in 2023
the board did review case. However, we
did uh mail a letter that the mail was
received yesterday um and and um brought
inside the burrow by a team member of
Boston Diane. uh from signed by my
father street and um sustaining many
neighbors here as well as others on the
block. We would like to submit a copy of
the letter as an exhibit.
» I've I've given that letter to Kate of
the board secretary and she's going to
scan it and send it to the board members
and then I will send it to the council
members and administration and the
clerk.
>> We appreciate that. We would also like
» We appreciate that. We would also like
the honor to reply as you have requested
on the issues that we raised.
>> Some of that might be part of the
» Some of that might be part of the
hearing itself.
>> Exactly.
» Exactly.
>> So be I guess be a little uh um I guess
» So be I guess be a little uh um I guess
patient with that because we haven't
heard their application so we can't
answer for them. They may come in and
they may answer
10 questions. They may answer eight of
them right there. So part of that's
going to be the hearing itself.
>> I understand the need for patience.
» I understand the need for patience.
However, um we've been asked the same
then of lost builders who has approached
many of us even making offers to some of
us financial offers around potential who
has appeared on our properties without
information who has taken pictures etc.
So as patients if your application has
not been approved if you haven't
>> I think you're getting into the
» I think you're getting into the
application itself at this point. So,
uh, and this is kind of news to us. So,
you're kind of going out if you have
that. So,
>> and I said before too, uh, Chief Bird is
» and I said before too, uh, Chief Bird is
offered to help you with any kind of,
uh, trespassing issues, then that's
that's obviously a a code enforcement
police activity. Uh, I appreciate your,
you know, um, due diligence with
bringing this information to our board.
Uh, but we have to hear the case first.
>> Yeah. And then with respect to the
» Yeah. And then with respect to the
letter, if you do want it submitted as
an exhibit, you would need to present it
at the hearing just to verify who you
know what it's purports to be. So you'll
regular basis.
>> That's fine. No, like I said, there'll
» That's fine. No, like I said, there'll
be public notice and and it'll go out
there and like I said, it'll be
reviewed. So I'll I will make sure that
the notice is in order before it gets
heard. But like I said, just to the just
to that
time,
right? So, so the call we appreciate
we're ensuring that it will be in order.
Um, but we do want to be at that hearing
and we do not want to have um a miss on.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Okay. Um, of course suggest I I just
» Okay. Um, of course suggest I I just
want to clarify one thing to do with the
re-exam uh and the master plan. Um, how
if members of the board have questions,
comments, [clears throat] whatever, um,
can they go I just procedurally want to
make sure we're all on the same page.
Um, can should they go to Kate as the as
the land use board secretary? She that's
what I would suggest that that be the
case so we don't get peace meal pieces.
Um and then Kate at the appropriate time
can
send those to us and then we can do
whatever we need to do.
>> So you looking for recommendations or
» So you looking for recommendations or
you looking for questions?
>> Questions or recommendations or have you
» Questions or recommendations or have you
addressed what about addressing this or
what about doing this but I don't maybe
somebody may say gee I don't understand
this. What do you mean by this? Or or I
know that there's more updated
information on whatever it may be.
whatever comments, questions, whatever
it may be, but not where
to the extent that we can streamline
this process and getting input, it would
be best to do it that way rather than
wait for the next meeting and then have
>> right instead of rapid fire 13ers
» right instead of rapid fire 13ers
>> because I'm afraid not going to be able
» because I'm afraid not going to be able
to write that fast or Megan. [laughter]
>> Yeah, I agree. I think that makes the
» Yeah, I agree. I think that makes the
most sense. So to the extent there's
questions, comments, concerns on what
gets read in the uh re-exam, I would say
send those to Kate and then obviously
sooner the better. But
>> yes, but whatever. I mean, it's right
» yes, but whatever. I mean, it's right
bedtime, right?
He's going to sleep.
>> It'll do it.
» It'll do it.
>> Or it'll get you so worked up
» Or it'll get you so worked up
>> maybe. [clears throat]
» maybe. [clears throat]
>> Then you will sleep and then you'll
» Then you will sleep and then you'll
write down all your questions and say
what the heck is this. So whatever it
is.
>> Okay. So then I guess really the
» Okay. So then I guess really the
recommendation is to really go through
what's already put together,
>> kind of digest it for a minute or two.
» kind of digest it for a minute or two.
Uh think about some questions and or
suggestions, send them off to the
secretary and then we'll hash it out
here and
>> correct.
» correct.
>> I'm almost thinking maybe we should even
» I'm almost thinking maybe we should even
maybe uh say maybe 15 minutes in October
just to kind of
>> we would it'll be a public hearing.
» we would it'll be a public hearing.
I think it's we do it in November and
then if like I said if the board needs
to call a special meeting again but then
there would still be the December date
if things needed to continue.
>> But I I suspect that we will be able to
» But I I suspect that we will be able to
get where we need to get.
>> Right. Okay. Fair enough.
» Right. Okay. Fair enough.
[clears throat] Okay. Anybody else want
to
>> I have something.
» I have something.
>> Okay. Go ahead Paul. So my question is
» Okay. Go ahead Paul. So my question is
as board members
if we want to do a site review
um has this more traditionally
established a site review committee
where we have
>> you talking about the master plan or you
» you talking about the master plan or you
talking any
[clears throat] we want to limit the
number of the members the number of
members that go do the site review
because you don't want to have a quarum.
Um, have we ever had a policy or
anything where we issue cards to
members?
>> Well, we've had a kind of a loose
» Well, we've had a kind of a loose
policy. I remember several years ago,
um, you know, we were talking about, I
guess, uh, you know, some some members
were not visiting the properties. So,
when you look at something that's on a
piece of paper, you can't quite grasp.
Bay Street is a great example. If you
look at a piece of paper, Bay Street's
like this, you know, we all know it's
like this.
>> Mhm. you know, so I do recommend the
» Mhm. you know, so I do recommend the
board uh visit, you know, the sites, you
know, not necessarily get out of the car
and walk around it, but at least be made
aware of where it is, what it looks
like, what the neighborhood looks like,
that sort of.
>> So that brings me to the concern of the
» So that brings me to the concern of the
residents when they see folks walking
around. if we have a card that says we
are part of the land use board and we're
just doing our own due diligence.
>> I also think the concerns and I I think
» I also think the concerns and I I think
we can definitely discuss the procedure,
but I think their concerns and I don't
want to cuz I think this is more for
Chief Burton, but their concerns were
about people coming out to their
property potentially and taking pictures
or otherwise. So, you know, to the
extent it's the you know, it's people
viewing from the road, I don't know if
it's necessarily ne necessary to have I
know it's individual tags. It's not
always from the road. Sometimes you have
to go up to the top and look down,
>> you know, you have to get to the back.
» you know, you have to get to the back.
>> Yeah. Then I think we, you know, as long
» Yeah. Then I think we, you know, as long
as the property owner themselves
provides us with an authorization to do
so, you know, it's like a slippery
slope.
>> Again, it wouldn't it still wouldn't be
» Again, it wouldn't it still wouldn't be
on the the neighbors unless they
authorized it. So,
>> think about yourself.
» think about yourself.
>> We can definitely talk about it as, you
» We can definitely talk about it as, you
know, figure out if there's something
more specific, but I don't know if it's
>> I don't know yet. And I'm just going to
» I don't know yet. And I'm just going to
make a comment on it. If you came out of
your house and you look out the window
and you saw some guy with a tape measure
on the side of your building going like
this, you'd probably come out and be
like, you know, confrontational to say
the least.
>> So I wouldn't recommend anybody just
» So I wouldn't recommend anybody just
showing up and walking on people's
properties, taking pictures,
measurements or anything like that. Um I
think most of most of the applications
we have, especially at Highlands, the
lots are typically small, so you can
kind of get a good feel for it just
driving by. Um, I would think if there's
a need to go on the property, we'd have
to do some procedure on that. But that
sounds
>> No, I mean that the applicant would
» No, I mean that the applicant would
authorize that as part of the
application. So, I think that's there's
separate two separate issues. The
applicant and going on the applicant's
property versus neighboring properties,
they're two very different things. If
the applicant would authorize that as
part of the application process, you
know, we're viewing it from the street,
which is fine either way. Um but but to
go on to neighboring properties that's
that's the owner of effort I got.
>> So yeah [clears throat]
» So yeah [clears throat]
I got a dog if you come my property my
dog will like [laughter] straight up he
won't even bark he'll bark twice maybe
before he's putting his teeth in you
know so you know and other people
probably have other dogs my dog's like
30 lbs you know there's much bigger dogs
that do much worse damage than uh my
little dog but uh anyway okay uh any
other comments from the board or
anything else to go over?
No. Okay. Uh for a motion to adjurnn.
>> Motion.
» Motion.
>> Second.
» Second.
>> All in favor?
» All in favor?
>> I.
» I.
>> Okay. Take it off. And again to the
» Okay. Take it off. And again to the
public, you will be noticed like like
three years. I'll figure it out.
» Yeah. You got it.
» [laughter]
» All right.
» Good night.
I think it's not.
>> Yes. Thank you.