1 00:00:02,159 --> 00:00:04,400 Hello everybody. We uh please rise and 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:09,430 serve the flag 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,679 to the flag of the United States of 4 00:00:11,679 --> 00:00:14,480 America and to 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,590 stand 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,240 indivisible with liy and justice for 7 00:00:20,240 --> 00:00:26,230 all. 8 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:28,160 As as per requirement, no discipline 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:29,599 given this regular meeting of the Bureau 10 00:00:29,599 --> 00:00:31,679 of Highlands Land Use Board and all 11 00:00:31,679 --> 00:00:33,440 requirements are met. Notice has been 12 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,200 transferred to Yasper Park Press into 13 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,200 theater. Those have been posted on the 14 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,280 Bolton board. For a should be taken roll 15 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,600 call, please 16 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,030 >> here. Chief Burton 17 00:00:43,030 --> 00:00:43,040 » here. Chief Burton 18 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,030 >> here. Missky 19 00:00:45,030 --> 00:00:45,040 » here. Missky 20 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,310 >> here. Mr. S 21 00:00:46,310 --> 00:00:46,320 » here. Mr. S 22 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:46,950 >> here. 23 00:00:46,950 --> 00:00:46,960 » here. 24 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,069 >> Mr. Moscala 25 00:00:48,069 --> 00:00:48,079 » Mr. Moscala 26 00:00:48,079 --> 00:00:48,470 >> here. 27 00:00:48,470 --> 00:00:48,480 » here. 28 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:49,270 >> Miss Larusa 29 00:00:49,270 --> 00:00:49,280 » Miss Larusa 30 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,190 >> here. Mr. Knox 31 00:00:51,190 --> 00:00:51,200 » here. Mr. Knox 32 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:51,910 >> here. 33 00:00:51,910 --> 00:00:51,920 » here. 34 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,750 >> Miss Tierney. 35 00:00:53,750 --> 00:00:53,760 » Miss Tierney. 36 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,000 Mr. Mr. Zil, 37 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,120 Miss Chang 38 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,229 >> here, 39 00:00:58,229 --> 00:00:58,239 » here, 40 00:00:58,239 --> 00:01:00,310 >> Mr. Kramer, 41 00:01:00,310 --> 00:01:00,320 » Mr. Kramer, 42 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:01,280 Mr. Cody 43 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:01,990 >> here, 44 00:01:01,990 --> 00:01:02,000 » here, 45 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,229 >> Miss Vickery here. 46 00:01:04,229 --> 00:01:04,239 » Miss Vickery here. 47 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:06,469 >> Okay, thank you. At [clears throat] this 48 00:01:06,469 --> 00:01:06,479 » Okay, thank you. At [clears throat] this 49 00:01:06,479 --> 00:01:08,479 point, uh, open for public comments. 50 00:01:08,479 --> 00:01:10,799 This is for general questions or 51 00:01:10,799 --> 00:01:12,240 comments not pertaining to any 52 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:13,760 applications we have, but on how this 53 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,000 board operates or any of our, you know, 54 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,000 procedures. Any questions from the 55 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,240 audience on how we do our thing? 56 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:25,350 >> Okay, it'd be good. 57 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:26,960 And again, it's just um nothing about 58 00:01:26,960 --> 00:01:29,759 any cases we have, just about general. 59 00:01:29,759 --> 00:01:31,670 >> Yep. And then just spell, state your 60 00:01:31,670 --> 00:01:31,680 » Yep. And then just spell, state your 61 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,520 name, and provide your address. 62 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:38,469 >> Melissa Peterson with the N7 Bay Street. 63 00:01:38,469 --> 00:01:38,479 » Melissa Peterson with the N7 Bay Street. 64 00:01:38,479 --> 00:01:41,680 Procedurally, if something was to be on 65 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,920 the agenda, before it is on the agenda, 66 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:44,960 you would have to send out 67 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:46,960 notifications. Correct. 68 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:50,079 notifications to be a proper 69 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:53,109 >> um if the application has to notice they 70 00:01:53,109 --> 00:01:53,119 » um if the application has to notice they 71 00:01:53,119 --> 00:01:56,960 will notice uh people within 200 uh ft 72 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,680 of their of the of the said property 73 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,670 >> are there certain aspects where they 74 00:02:01,670 --> 00:02:01,680 » are there certain aspects where they 75 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:02,880 don't have to be notified? 76 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,469 >> No, I can I think I can jump in here. 77 00:02:04,469 --> 00:02:04,479 » No, I can I think I can jump in here. 78 00:02:04,479 --> 00:02:06,479 Are you referring to Ross Builders the 79 00:02:06,479 --> 00:02:08,720 application for Bay Street? So, they 80 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,720 were on the agenda. It was anticipated 81 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,239 that they were coming to tonight's 82 00:02:12,239 --> 00:02:14,080 meeting that that's what they were going 83 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,440 to be noticing for. We received, sorry, 84 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:18,959 just make sure everything gets captured. 85 00:02:18,959 --> 00:02:20,560 The board received notification that 86 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,400 they had not noticed for this meeting 87 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:23,840 and would request to be heard in 88 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,959 October. So whenever they are heard, 89 00:02:26,959 --> 00:02:29,200 which presumably will be October, they 90 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,440 will notice everyone within 200 ft as 91 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,519 required by the municipal land use law. 92 00:02:33,519 --> 00:02:35,360 So no notices went out tonight because 93 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:36,720 they're not on the agenda tonight and 94 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,640 they're not going to be heard. They were 95 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:40,480 originally on the agenda because it was 96 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,400 assumed that they were going to be heard 97 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,920 tonight and in which case the notices 98 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:46,160 would have been reviewed. The law 99 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:47,920 doesn't require notices to be provided 100 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:49,440 until 101 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,160 I I forget it. 3 days 10 no you have to 102 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,239 have a notice out but the publication 103 00:02:54,239 --> 00:02:56,160 doesn't have to be provided to the board 104 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,120 until 3 days before. So the assumption 105 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,760 is that it was on the agenda but once we 106 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,280 received notification that they didn't 107 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:04,560 notice and they wanted to be heard in 108 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,200 October it was pulled from the agenda. 109 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,120 So therefore they will notice whenever 110 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:10,879 that is presumably for the October 111 00:03:10,879 --> 00:03:17,830 meeting. 112 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,400 » The the not again the there's a tenative 113 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,319 agenda that gets posted but agenda the 114 00:03:22,319 --> 00:03:24,319 revised agenda that was up today or at 115 00:03:24,319 --> 00:03:26,640 least more recently had removed it once 116 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:29,519 the board was notified. So again usually 117 00:03:29,519 --> 00:03:31,760 the notices get sent out or they have to 118 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,000 be sent out 10 days ahead. Then the 119 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,920 applicant submits proof which is an 120 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,680 affidavit of mailing that they submit 121 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,200 that to the board which then I then 122 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,519 review. In this case once it became 123 00:03:41,519 --> 00:03:42,959 known that they hadn't done that they 124 00:03:42,959 --> 00:03:45,200 requested to be car carried but again 125 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:46,720 it's not really a carry cuz they'll have 126 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,640 to renotice or notice in the first 127 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:48,879 place. 128 00:03:48,879 --> 00:03:50,710 >> Yeah they haven't they haven't noticed 129 00:03:50,710 --> 00:03:50,720 » Yeah they haven't they haven't noticed 130 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,799 yet you know so you will get something 131 00:03:52,799 --> 00:03:55,840 in your mail certified mail and that'll 132 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,840 uh you know give you the heads up on 133 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:59,040 when they're going to come before this 134 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,159 board. 135 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:02,470 >> Okay. And I I guess my other question is 136 00:04:02,470 --> 00:04:02,480 » Okay. And I I guess my other question is 137 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:03,840 because I've been through this before 138 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,159 and I got the notice after the meeting. 139 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:08,959 So procedurally I wanted to understand 140 00:04:08,959 --> 00:04:11,439 how that worked. Um also we had people 141 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:14,480 calling council and we're told that the 142 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,479 notices had gone out and to check with 143 00:04:16,479 --> 00:04:18,000 the post office but we everybody's 144 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,440 running around going back and forth 145 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,079 trying to figure out if they go out 146 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:24,080 where were the notices were there 147 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:30,390 tracking numbers. Um, so 148 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,360 it's a little bit 149 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,040 agenda. 150 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:36,469 >> I think you should. 151 00:04:36,469 --> 00:04:36,479 » I think you should. 152 00:04:36,479 --> 00:04:37,990 >> It's the problem is the law only 153 00:04:37,990 --> 00:04:38,000 » It's the problem is the law only 154 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,919 requires that they have to submit the 155 00:04:39,919 --> 00:04:41,680 proof that they did publish 3 days 156 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,440 before the meeting and usually the 157 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,160 agenda is posted in advance of that. So 158 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:47,520 there's an assumption that when the 159 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,040 applicant is told they're ready for a 160 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:50,400 meeting that that's the meeting that 161 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,720 they would be noticing for. In this case 162 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,639 that didn't happen. But and just to 163 00:04:54,639 --> 00:04:56,240 answer the other point, it'll go out 164 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:57,600 certified mail. So there will be 165 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,600 tracking numbers. Also, the notice will 166 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,080 be posted to the the burough website. 167 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,080 The burough website has a public notices 168 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,400 page. So the notice will also be posted 169 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,320 there 10 days in advance of the meeting 170 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,479 as are all public notices in the bureau. 171 00:05:10,479 --> 00:05:13,520 So the other issue is just the realities 172 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,479 of life that mail sometimes doesn't get 173 00:05:16,479 --> 00:05:18,400 there quickly and sometimes doesn't get 174 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,199 there at all. the law only requires that 175 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:23,360 they send it to the addresses as 176 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,360 required. So in the event that the 177 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,280 mailing doesn't get to you until a later 178 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:31,199 date, that's the the law just provides 179 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:32,639 that they have to mail it out. But in 180 00:05:32,639 --> 00:05:33,759 this case, like I said to all others, 181 00:05:33,759 --> 00:05:35,199 the notice is going to be posted on the 182 00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:37,039 burough website under the public notices 183 00:05:37,039 --> 00:05:39,600 page. So I would say the the best way is 184 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,759 to check that because even though the 185 00:05:41,759 --> 00:05:44,080 notices go out again, the US postal 186 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,960 service is not infallible. So, and just 187 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,479 to add to that, [clears throat] 188 00:05:48,479 --> 00:05:51,440 typically um the board finds out the 189 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,520 same time the public finds out. So, 190 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,320 there's no like, you know, uh deception 191 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,320 involved, you know. So, we find out 192 00:05:58,320 --> 00:05:59,360 they're going to be on, you know, 193 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,400 through an agenda. Um it starts that 194 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,800 whole process and in that process, part 195 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,960 of it is being certified mailed to the 196 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,039 residents of the, you know, 200 foot 197 00:06:09,039 --> 00:06:11,680 radius. So, again, we kind of find out 198 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:19,270 more or less what you find out. 199 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:21,440 I I'll answer that. Our professionals 200 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,520 may be doing behind the scenes with 201 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,000 their professionals to try to tidy up 202 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,360 some stuff before they come before the 203 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,560 board. So, not a big lengthy uh part on 204 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,120 something that is easily fixed with uh 205 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,880 engineers and such like that. Okay. 206 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,240 State your name and address. 207 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,629 >> Thank you. Kathleen Dylan, 15 Street, 208 00:06:40,629 --> 00:06:40,639 » Thank you. Kathleen Dylan, 15 Street, 209 00:06:40,639 --> 00:06:43,280 daughter J. D. 210 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:45,199 So we I think that all of you are 211 00:06:45,199 --> 00:06:47,680 probably aware that we issued a speak to 212 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,840 that because this is a simply general 213 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:52,000 questions but we did cite a specific 214 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,199 section of proposing board regulations 215 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:57,280 that seem to suggest that 10 days notice 216 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:00,560 to the residence required not 217 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,710 >> it it is 10 days. That's why I'm saying 218 00:07:02,710 --> 00:07:02,720 » it it is 10 days. That's why I'm saying 219 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,120 but the board we as the board or sorry 220 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:06,080 I'm not the board I'm the board 221 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,319 attorney. The board though doesn't have 222 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:10,639 to receive proof the proof that it was 223 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:12,960 published until 3 days in advance of the 224 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:14,800 meeting. So it's two different timings. 225 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,400 You're right that the notice has to go 226 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,199 out has to be physically mailed and 227 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:22,319 posted at least 10 days in advance. So 228 00:07:22,319 --> 00:07:23,919 that that is accurate. But 229 00:07:23,919 --> 00:07:27,830 >> ask to consider revising that 230 00:07:27,830 --> 00:07:27,840 » ask to consider revising that 231 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,589 >> that's it's a state statute. 232 00:07:29,589 --> 00:07:29,599 » that's it's a state statute. 233 00:07:29,599 --> 00:07:30,550 >> It's a state. 234 00:07:30,550 --> 00:07:30,560 » It's a state. 235 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:30,870 >> Yeah. 236 00:07:30,870 --> 00:07:30,880 » Yeah. 237 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,469 >> It's very interesting because it defeats 238 00:07:32,469 --> 00:07:32,479 » It's very interesting because it defeats 239 00:07:32,479 --> 00:07:35,919 the purpose of notice effectively. I I I 240 00:07:35,919 --> 00:07:37,599 can't necessarily disagree at times. 241 00:07:37,599 --> 00:07:39,840 Like I said, it it is what it is, 242 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,680 though. I don't I It's the municipal 243 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,240 land use law. It's a state statute. So, 244 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,080 for better or worse, the board is guided 245 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,240 by that and has to abide by it. And just 246 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,000 to add to that, that's what this board's 247 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,000 uh responsibility is. You know, they'll 248 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,560 come in and basically they have 249 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,280 variances, of course. um [clears throat] 250 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,840 uh they'll commit before this board and 251 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,960 uh plead their case on why this board 252 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,759 should allow them to do things that are 253 00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:08,800 not permitted per se. So it's not a 254 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,639 guarantee. They have to come here and 255 00:08:10,639 --> 00:08:11,840 kind of uh you know 256 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:17,350 >> that's very important 257 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:18,800 is very important to us. 258 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,390 >> Yes, of course. 259 00:08:20,390 --> 00:08:20,400 » Yes, of course. 260 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:21,919 And just to add to that too, they'll 261 00:08:21,919 --> 00:08:24,800 present their case uh in a public format 262 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,039 such as this and the public is of course 263 00:08:27,039 --> 00:08:29,599 there to ask questions through their 264 00:08:29,599 --> 00:08:32,159 professionals and hear their testimony 265 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:34,080 and and the whole the whole thing 266 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:35,589 >> provided the public is aware that the 267 00:08:35,589 --> 00:08:35,599 » provided the public is aware that the 268 00:08:35,599 --> 00:08:37,200 discussion will happen. when we 269 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,800 contacted the burrow about the August 270 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,599 13th date um and learned that not 271 00:08:43,599 --> 00:08:47,680 available for our own 272 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:51,200 given an alternate date 910 so now it's 273 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:56,399 October so haven't the same 274 00:08:56,399 --> 00:08:58,959 you said October is that what they're 275 00:08:58,959 --> 00:09:00,550 >> yeah when it was again when this so that 276 00:09:00,550 --> 00:09:00,560 » yeah when it was again when this so that 277 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:01,920 when this was first presented to the 278 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,519 board the applicant had said you know 279 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:05,040 they weren't they didn't notice they 280 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,320 were going to ask to be carried to the 281 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,240 next date and then I believe just 282 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,160 through subsequent contact today they 283 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,000 actually requested for the October date 284 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,880 but I can assure you before the board 285 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,440 even if they notice for a hearing date 286 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,760 say it's October whatever it may be if 287 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,519 their notice is defective in any way 288 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:24,080 shape or form they won't be heard and I 289 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,720 will review the notices that they both I 290 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:27,760 and I'll let you ask I didn't mean to 291 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,000 cut you off but uh the I'll review the 292 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,399 notice that gets physically published as 293 00:09:32,399 --> 00:09:34,000 well as the certified mailings and 294 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,080 compare it against there's a list that 295 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:37,920 they request from the tax assessor that 296 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,360 certifies a list. These are the people 297 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,160 within 200 feet and they mail based off 298 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,040 of that list. 299 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,670 >> I have a followup question. Is an is an 300 00:09:45,670 --> 00:09:45,680 » I have a followup question. Is an is an 301 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:48,399 applicant who has not yet served notice 302 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:52,320 to residents within 200 ft 303 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,360 uh set a final date um for your 304 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,920 application permitted to enter the 305 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,920 property of residents within 200 ft to 306 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,080 take pictures, take measurements without 307 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,399 residents. I I can't that's beyond the 308 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:08,720 performance 309 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,949 >> but also it's not something for the I 310 00:10:10,949 --> 00:10:10,959 » but also it's not something for the I 311 00:10:10,959 --> 00:10:12,080 would just say that's not within the 312 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:13,360 perview of the land use board. I would 313 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,360 say that's a question better directed 314 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,519 for you know time otherwise 315 00:10:17,519 --> 00:10:19,030 >> directed to chief 316 00:10:19,030 --> 00:10:19,040 » directed to chief 317 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,030 >> yeah 318 00:10:21,030 --> 00:10:21,040 » yeah 319 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,120 chief but you can talk to everybody 320 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:24,800 after the meeting if you want if you're 321 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:25,920 going to stay if not you can go 322 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,160 downstairs report with the officers that 323 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,440 are down there now if you like 324 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,829 >> okay 325 00:10:33,829 --> 00:10:33,839 » okay 326 00:10:33,839 --> 00:10:36,240 anybody else have any questions on how 327 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,839 we do our business around here okay then 328 00:10:39,839 --> 00:10:42,720 uh moving [clears throat] along uh 329 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,720 action on other businesses. Review the 330 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,440 the amendment of the amended central 331 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,120 business district redevelopment. 332 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,389 >> I'm missing review the ordinance 333 00:10:50,389 --> 00:10:50,399 » I'm missing review the ordinance 334 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:52,480 amending the amended central business 335 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,079 district plan. There's a missing word. 336 00:10:54,079 --> 00:10:55,030 >> Okay. [laughter] 337 00:10:55,030 --> 00:10:55,040 » Okay. [laughter] 338 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,160 Thank you. Okay. Um so this is a 339 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,160 consistency review. Uh there was an 340 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,557 ordinance uh that was introduced 341 00:11:01,557 --> 00:11:03,519 [clears throat] by the governing body on 342 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:08,079 July 15th, ordinance 202620. 343 00:11:08,079 --> 00:11:11,200 uh which this ordinance is then as a uh 344 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,399 as an ordinance imp altering the land 345 00:11:14,399 --> 00:11:16,640 use elements of the land use plan in 346 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,240 this case the central business district 347 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,399 redevelopment plan. It gets referred to 348 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:22,320 the land use board for what is known as 349 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,800 a consistency review. So in this case 350 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,480 the land use board will operate in its 351 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,480 planning board capacity and will reach a 352 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:29,839 decision as to whether the proposed 353 00:11:29,839 --> 00:11:31,440 ordinance is not substantially 354 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,000 inconsistent with the master plan. 355 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,720 And just to pick up on that, um our 356 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,399 office um prepared a memo dated July 357 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:43,360 31st, 2026 358 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,959 um which evaluated the um the ordinance 359 00:11:46,959 --> 00:11:49,040 to determine whether it was consistent 360 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,519 or not inconsistent with the 2016 361 00:11:53,519 --> 00:11:56,160 uh re-examination report and our 362 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,160 conclusion was that it was not 363 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,920 inconsistent with the master plan. 364 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,590 >> Okay. Thank you. 365 00:12:03,590 --> 00:12:03,600 » Okay. Thank you. 366 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,240 Uh looking for a motion on that. Unless 367 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:07,519 you want to answer that. 368 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:08,790 >> Oh, okay. 369 00:12:08,790 --> 00:12:08,800 » Oh, okay. 370 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,389 >> Okay. I'll offer that motion. 371 00:12:10,389 --> 00:12:10,399 » Okay. I'll offer that motion. 372 00:12:10,399 --> 00:12:15,190 >> Second. 373 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:16,240 » Mayor Brian. 374 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:17,110 >> Yes. 375 00:12:17,110 --> 00:12:17,120 » Yes. 376 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:18,069 >> Chief Burton. 377 00:12:18,069 --> 00:12:18,079 » Chief Burton. 378 00:12:18,079 --> 00:12:18,710 >> Yes. 379 00:12:18,710 --> 00:12:18,720 » Yes. 380 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:19,670 >> Miss Larusa. 381 00:12:19,670 --> 00:12:19,680 » Miss Larusa. 382 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:20,150 >> Yes. 383 00:12:20,150 --> 00:12:20,160 » Yes. 384 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,430 >> Mr. Mova. 385 00:12:21,430 --> 00:12:21,440 » Mr. Mova. 386 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:22,150 >> Yes. 387 00:12:22,150 --> 00:12:22,160 » Yes. 388 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:23,110 >> Misses. 389 00:12:23,110 --> 00:12:23,120 » Misses. 390 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:23,670 >> Yes. 391 00:12:23,670 --> 00:12:23,680 » Yes. 392 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:24,550 >> Mr. S. 393 00:12:24,550 --> 00:12:24,560 » Mr. S. 394 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:25,269 >> Yes. 395 00:12:25,269 --> 00:12:25,279 » Yes. 396 00:12:25,279 --> 00:12:28,230 >> Mr. Zil. 397 00:12:28,230 --> 00:12:28,240 » Mr. Zil. 398 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:29,040 Mr. Knock. 399 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:29,750 >> Yes. 400 00:12:29,750 --> 00:12:29,760 » Yes. 401 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:30,629 >> Miss Chang. 402 00:12:30,629 --> 00:12:30,639 » Miss Chang. 403 00:12:30,639 --> 00:12:31,430 >> Yes. 404 00:12:31,430 --> 00:12:31,440 » Yes. 405 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,269 >> Mr. Kramer. 406 00:12:33,269 --> 00:12:33,279 » Mr. Kramer. 407 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:34,310 >> Mr. Cody. 408 00:12:34,310 --> 00:12:34,320 » Mr. Cody. 409 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:34,870 >> Yes. 410 00:12:34,870 --> 00:12:34,880 » Yes. 411 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:35,829 >> Miss Victory. 412 00:12:35,829 --> 00:12:35,839 » Miss Victory. 413 00:12:35,839 --> 00:12:37,350 >> Yes. 414 00:12:37,350 --> 00:12:37,360 » Yes. 415 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,150 >> Okay. Thank you. 416 00:12:40,150 --> 00:12:40,160 » Okay. Thank you. 417 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,550 >> Okay. Uh item number two, review of the 418 00:12:42,550 --> 00:12:42,560 » Okay. Uh item number two, review of the 419 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:45,519 master plan survey results. 420 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:48,560 Um I mean I guess maybe counter this is 421 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:49,680 maybe something you want to talk about a 422 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:50,160 little bit. 423 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:51,990 >> Um I'll get into it when we talk about 424 00:12:51,990 --> 00:12:52,000 » Um I'll get into it when we talk about 425 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,399 the survey, but Susan, if you want to. 426 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:57,519 Yeah, let me just um because I I I just 427 00:12:57,519 --> 00:13:00,320 want to kind of supplement the survey 428 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,120 results based upon what you received in 429 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,839 the in your packet as well, which is a 430 00:13:05,839 --> 00:13:06,880 draft of the [clears throat] 431 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,240 re-examination report um which was 432 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,360 prepared by our office. Clearly, the 433 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,000 survey results were an important 434 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:22,240 component of that um draft and uh and 435 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,600 provided guidelines as to policy 436 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,399 decisions and recommendations. I would 437 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:31,120 just note um Megan Adams from our office 438 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,560 is here. She was uh extremely helpful 439 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:38,959 with putting this together. Um and um 440 00:13:38,959 --> 00:13:41,920 there are very specific just to I know 441 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,399 the board for purposes of the public as 442 00:13:44,399 --> 00:13:46,480 well there [clears throat] is a 443 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,760 requirement that every at least every 10 444 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,440 years the municipality 445 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,800 the land use board must review 446 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:01,040 its um master plan and determine there's 447 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,360 very specific provisions in there 448 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,000 determine basically whether the goals 449 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,920 and object objectives and the 450 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,040 assumptions still remain the same 451 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,680 whether they have been addressed 452 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:17,360 uh and at the end in terms of new 453 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,959 recommendations that may come up based 454 00:14:20,959 --> 00:14:24,320 upon that assessment. So we looked back 455 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,079 at the 2016 master plan. We looked at 456 00:14:28,079 --> 00:14:30,320 the goals and objectives 457 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,959 um certain of what has happened since 458 00:14:32,959 --> 00:14:35,680 then. A lot has happened in this bureau 459 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:40,959 since 2016 and most very good um I must 460 00:14:40,959 --> 00:14:44,240 say and um and then look and determine 461 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,639 what the recommendations are. A key 462 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:49,760 component of this and certainly the 463 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,079 mayor can go through this a little in 464 00:14:52,079 --> 00:14:56,079 more detail. A key component was uh a 465 00:14:56,079 --> 00:14:58,320 survey and the results of the survey 466 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,160 that were out there to determine 467 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,519 what I guess I guess I would say what 468 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:07,760 everybody thinks about the town 469 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,910 >> and what they think are the positives 470 00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:09,920 » and what they think are the positives 471 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,639 and the negatives and the issues and 472 00:15:12,639 --> 00:15:14,560 what should be done because that 473 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,519 provides the basis for master plan 474 00:15:17,519 --> 00:15:20,240 recommendations which ultimately are 475 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,800 implemented through ordinances. 476 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,920 So just this provides the basis for 477 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,600 ordinance changes. So so that's I I if 478 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,680 anybody has any questions that's fine 479 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,839 but I just kind of wanted to give that 480 00:15:33,839 --> 00:15:35,600 highlight. Only [clears throat] one 481 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,720 question. Excuse me. Um I think time's 482 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,760 up right. This is our our year. This is 483 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:42,880 our this is the year. 484 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,030 >> Yeah. Right. Okay. and and what um I 485 00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:47,040 » Yeah. Right. Okay. and and what um I 486 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,560 would say is likely the next step would 487 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,959 be to provide to create and prepare a 488 00:15:54,959 --> 00:15:58,000 land use plan element which is the more 489 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,959 detailed piece okay reszoning 490 00:16:00,959 --> 00:16:05,199 recommendations and such um and 491 00:16:05,199 --> 00:16:08,160 sustainability consider and resiliency 492 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,800 considerations for that but that's in 493 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,600 here but the but certainly the re-exam 494 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,240 and gives a broad overview and is 495 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,959 consistent statutoily with what is 496 00:16:18,959 --> 00:16:20,079 required. 497 00:16:20,079 --> 00:16:22,069 >> I guess uh procedurally do we do that as 498 00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:22,079 » I guess uh procedurally do we do that as 499 00:16:22,079 --> 00:16:23,680 an executive meeting or is that 500 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:24,800 something that we have as an open 501 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:25,199 meeting? 502 00:16:25,199 --> 00:16:26,150 >> It's an open meeting. 503 00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:26,160 » It's an open meeting. 504 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:26,629 >> Okay. Sure. 505 00:16:26,629 --> 00:16:26,639 » Okay. Sure. 506 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:28,470 >> So that'll be on an agenda item and 507 00:16:28,470 --> 00:16:28,480 » So that'll be on an agenda item and 508 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,120 we'll have a specific day where we 509 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:32,790 >> get into it a little bit. 510 00:16:32,790 --> 00:16:32,800 » get into it a little bit. 511 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,150 >> Yes, it is. And it and it would be 512 00:16:36,150 --> 00:16:36,160 » Yes, it is. And it and it would be 513 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,269 >> it would be in my opinion I'm not 514 00:16:39,269 --> 00:16:39,279 » it would be in my opinion I'm not 515 00:16:39,279 --> 00:16:41,519 speaking but publicly noticed. It would 516 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:46,399 be a public input and comment. Clearly, 517 00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:48,399 we wanted to get the draft out to the 518 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:51,120 board for you to look at and if there 519 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,759 are any changes that you believe are 520 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:57,600 appropriate prior to setting up that 521 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:02,160 public meeting and and putting the 522 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,039 master plan, the draftation 523 00:17:05,039 --> 00:17:09,839 report for public hearing as such. Well, 524 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:11,520 then uh as a thought, should we maybe 525 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,400 create a hard date on that like October 526 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,079 or November? Because we got to get this 527 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:17,600 wrapped up by the new year. 528 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,189 >> I would think it need to be voted on in 529 00:17:19,189 --> 00:17:19,199 » I would think it need to be voted on in 530 00:17:19,199 --> 00:17:20,160 December 531 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,350 >> and then the council would have to take 532 00:17:21,350 --> 00:17:21,360 » and then the council would have to take 533 00:17:21,360 --> 00:17:22,559 care of it in December. 534 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:24,470 >> Well, the council doesn't deal with 535 00:17:24,470 --> 00:17:24,480 » Well, the council doesn't deal with 536 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,000 this. This is this is the way it's 537 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,880 implemented is through ordinances. 538 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:35,350 >> Okay. But this is this is your document 539 00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:35,360 » Okay. But this is this is your document 540 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:38,160 um as a board. So it doesn't go any 541 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,880 further for purposes of this document 542 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,919 this. So I'm we're fine with that, but 543 00:17:45,919 --> 00:17:49,840 we wanted to give you the opportunity to 544 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,160 um be able to look at it, determine 545 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,799 whether there were any changes. If if 546 00:17:54,799 --> 00:17:56,720 you would like to set up, that's your 547 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,160 call as to how you want to. 548 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,549 >> Well, I just think is, you know, just in 549 00:18:00,549 --> 00:18:00,559 » Well, I just think is, you know, just in 550 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:02,720 the fact that, you know, we'll be at the 551 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,039 new year before we know it. You know, 552 00:18:05,039 --> 00:18:06,230 >> it would be good to 553 00:18:06,230 --> 00:18:06,240 » it would be good to 554 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,510 >> be in September in what, two weeks and 555 00:18:09,510 --> 00:18:09,520 » be in September in what, two weeks and 556 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:10,640 November there. 557 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,230 >> Don't say that. 558 00:18:12,230 --> 00:18:12,240 » Don't say that. 559 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,310 >> Don't say that. The summer can't be over 560 00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:14,320 » Don't say that. The summer can't be over 561 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,720 yet, right? [laughter] 562 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,510 >> So, it again, better to to do it earlier 563 00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:21,520 » So, it again, better to to do it earlier 564 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,160 rather than later. But at the same time, 565 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,480 we didn't want to presume that this 566 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,480 draft was ready for 567 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,559 formal. Okay. I would think November 568 00:18:32,559 --> 00:18:34,880 would probably be an appropriate date 569 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,559 because we have the Ross in October 570 00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:38,000 which obviously we have some people here 571 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:38,960 for that. 572 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,310 >> It appears that way. 573 00:18:40,310 --> 00:18:40,320 » It appears that way. 574 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,230 >> I would I think I alluded to that during 575 00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:42,240 » I would I think I alluded to that during 576 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:42,799 our meeting. 577 00:18:42,799 --> 00:18:43,990 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 578 00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:44,000 » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 579 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,350 >> Um so I would think November might be a 580 00:18:47,350 --> 00:18:47,360 » Um so I would think November might be a 581 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:49,830 >> that would be something on the agenda 582 00:18:49,830 --> 00:18:49,840 » that would be something on the agenda 583 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,520 and kind of prepare 584 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,350 >> best we can to kind of come you know to 585 00:18:53,350 --> 00:18:53,360 » best we can to kind of come you know to 586 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:55,840 get something rolling and have another 587 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,160 month to really hash it out and at that 588 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,400 point year is going to reset itself. 589 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,600 Sure. And that's perfectly fine with 590 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,000 with us. We can certainly get whatever 591 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,200 input and that's fine. I mean, this is a 592 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:10,799 very I don't know if everyone's grabbed 593 00:19:10,799 --> 00:19:14,480 a um a packet, but there's a lot in 594 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:19,520 here. Um it's very comprehensive. Um and 595 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,640 I think it would approve everyone to uh 596 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,080 take a read of this. Um also, I've left 597 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,160 the survey uh the survey is still open. 598 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,000 We're still getting responses. So, I'll 599 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,640 be updating those uh preliminary results 600 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,600 that I put out to you guys and then once 601 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,520 we lock it down, I'll take the survey 602 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,320 down and then we'll put the preliminary 603 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,520 results um on the website. 604 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,909 >> Yeah. So, we're encouraging the town to 605 00:19:45,909 --> 00:19:45,919 » Yeah. So, we're encouraging the town to 606 00:19:45,919 --> 00:19:47,840 uh you know, help us out on this. 607 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,320 Obviously, the residents here are what 608 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,160 we're all about and we want to make sure 609 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:53,919 we're going forward in the right 610 00:19:53,919 --> 00:19:56,559 direction. So, 611 00:19:56,559 --> 00:20:01,270 okay. Um 612 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,400 is that even an offer of Yeah, 613 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:05,350 >> that's just a review. 614 00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:05,360 » that's just a review. 615 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:08,950 >> Just review. Okay, very good. Okay. Um 616 00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:08,960 » Just review. Okay, very good. Okay. Um 617 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,720 communication of vouchers approve of 618 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:11,919 minutes. Uh 619 00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:12,950 >> I just want to say one thing on 620 00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:12,960 » I just want to say one thing on 621 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,360 communications to vouchers. So for the 622 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:18,000 sea streak application that is the 623 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,160 tenative special hearing date on that 624 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,280 will be September 30th at the uh high 625 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,480 school. um that is everyone is 626 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,960 available, the applicant and the board. 627 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,280 Um I know Kate is in the process of 628 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,120 securing the facility from the school. 629 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:34,559 They've said it's available. So it's a 630 00:20:34,559 --> 00:20:37,280 paperwork uh thing at this time and then 631 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:38,640 again there'll be a special meeting 632 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,400 notice that will go out for that from 633 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,840 the board side because 634 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:42,630 >> will be noticed. 635 00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:42,640 » will be noticed. 636 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,270 >> Yeah. Notice the special meeting and 637 00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:45,280 » Yeah. Notice the special meeting and 638 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,039 then sea street will independently have 639 00:20:47,039 --> 00:20:48,640 to notice as an applicant for the 640 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:49,679 meeting as well. 641 00:20:49,679 --> 00:20:51,669 >> And that is Wednesday it looks like. 642 00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:51,679 » And that is Wednesday it looks like. 643 00:20:51,679 --> 00:20:53,590 >> Correct. Wednesday, September 30th, and 644 00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:53,600 » Correct. Wednesday, September 30th, and 645 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,039 that will be at the high school, but 646 00:20:55,039 --> 00:20:57,200 again, there will be a public notice on 647 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,400 that that will go out at probably not in 648 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,039 the immediate future, but obviously well 649 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:05,440 in advance of the 650 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,590 >> I guess the the 10day thing. 651 00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:07,600 » I guess the the 10day thing. 652 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:08,310 >> Yes. 653 00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:08,320 » Yes. 654 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,070 >> Okay. 655 00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:10,080 » Okay. 656 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,600 Um Okay. So, uh that's that approval of 657 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,360 minutes uh 07-09 658 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:19,120 2026 659 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:21,760 uh regular meeting minutes. 660 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,799 All for a motion on that. Make a motion. 661 00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:28,789 Second, 662 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:30,080 » Mayor Bion. 663 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,029 >> Yes. 664 00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:31,039 » Yes. 665 00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:31,830 >> Chief Burton, 666 00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:31,840 » Chief Burton, 667 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:32,470 >> yes. 668 00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:32,480 » yes. 669 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:33,350 >> Miss Larusa, 670 00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:33,360 » Miss Larusa, 671 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:33,830 >> yes. 672 00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:33,840 » yes. 673 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,110 >> Mr. Rona, 674 00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:35,120 » Mr. Rona, 675 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:36,149 >> yes. 676 00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:36,159 » yes. 677 00:21:36,159 --> 00:21:37,110 >> Missky, 678 00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:37,120 » Missky, 679 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:37,669 >> yes. 680 00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:37,679 » yes. 681 00:21:37,679 --> 00:21:38,549 >> Mr. Sia, 682 00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:38,559 » Mr. Sia, 683 00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:39,270 >> yes. 684 00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:39,280 » yes. 685 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,029 >> Mr. 686 00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:41,039 » Mr. 687 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:42,400 Mr. T. 688 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:43,190 >> Mr. Knox, 689 00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:43,200 » Mr. Knox, 690 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:43,909 >> yes. 691 00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:43,919 » yes. 692 00:21:43,919 --> 00:21:44,789 >> Miss Chang, 693 00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:44,799 » Miss Chang, 694 00:21:44,799 --> 00:21:45,590 >> yes. 695 00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:45,600 » yes. 696 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,430 >> Mr. Kramer, 697 00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:47,440 » Mr. Kramer, 698 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,390 >> Mr. Cody, 699 00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:48,400 » Mr. Cody, 700 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:48,950 >> yes. 701 00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:48,960 » yes. 702 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:49,830 >> Miss Vicky, 703 00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:49,840 » Miss Vicky, 704 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,110 >> yes. 705 00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:51,120 » yes. 706 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:53,280 >> Okay, thank you. 707 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:53,290 » Okay, thank you. 708 00:21:53,290 --> 00:21:55,520 [clears throat] Under resolutions, LUV 709 00:21:55,520 --> 00:22:00,799 26-01, Dun, 26 Avenue, block 76, 710 00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:04,720 lot 9, Oak Variance approval. 711 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:05,990 >> Look for a motion. 712 00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:06,000 » Look for a motion. 713 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,390 >> Motion. 714 00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:08,400 » Motion. 715 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:13,510 Frank it [laughter] 716 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,280 mission. 717 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:15,750 >> Yes. 718 00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:15,760 » Yes. 719 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:16,549 >> Chief Burton. 720 00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:16,559 » Chief Burton. 721 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:17,110 >> Yes. 722 00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:17,120 » Yes. 723 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:17,990 >> Miss Louisa. 724 00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:18,000 » Miss Louisa. 725 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:18,549 >> Yes. 726 00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:18,559 » Yes. 727 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:19,669 >> Mr. Montala. 728 00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:19,679 » Mr. Montala. 729 00:22:19,679 --> 00:22:20,310 >> Yes. 730 00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:20,320 » Yes. 731 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:21,190 >> Miss Oeski. 732 00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:21,200 » Miss Oeski. 733 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:21,669 >> Yes. 734 00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:21,679 » Yes. 735 00:22:21,679 --> 00:22:22,549 >> Mr. S. 736 00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:22,559 » Mr. S. 737 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:23,110 >> Yes. 738 00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:23,120 » Yes. 739 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:25,909 >> Mr. Zil. Absent. Mr. Ch. Absent. Mr. 740 00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:25,919 » Mr. Zil. Absent. Mr. Ch. Absent. Mr. 741 00:22:25,919 --> 00:22:26,480 Knox. 742 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,029 >> Yes. 743 00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:27,039 » Yes. 744 00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:27,830 >> Miss Chang. 745 00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:27,840 » Miss Chang. 746 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:28,470 >> Yes. 747 00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:28,480 » Yes. 748 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,590 >> Mr. Kramer. 749 00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:29,600 » Mr. Kramer. 750 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,029 >> Absent. Mr. Cody. 751 00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:31,039 » Absent. Mr. Cody. 752 00:22:31,039 --> 00:22:31,510 >> Yes. 753 00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:31,520 » Yes. 754 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,390 >> Miss Vicky. 755 00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:32,400 » Miss Vicky. 756 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:33,990 >> Yes. [clears throat] 757 00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:34,000 » Yes. [clears throat] 758 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,029 >> Okay. Thank you. Uh hearings on old 759 00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:37,039 » Okay. Thank you. Uh hearings on old 760 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:39,440 business. There is none. Here's our new 761 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,720 business. There is none. Um, 762 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,310 >> may I raise another question? 763 00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:44,320 » may I raise another question? 764 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,590 >> Uh, sure. Just take a microphone, 765 00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:45,600 » Uh, sure. Just take a microphone, 766 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:46,000 please. 767 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:52,230 >> I'm not sure if this old business. 768 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,600 » Okay, we'll get I'm sorry. Just get 769 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,360 closer to the microphone and yeah, start 770 00:22:55,360 --> 00:23:00,710 again. Say your name. 771 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,120 So, I'm not sure this is over business 772 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:06,000 because in 2023 773 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,280 the board did review case. However, we 774 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,760 did uh mail a letter that the mail was 775 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,679 received yesterday um and and um brought 776 00:23:15,679 --> 00:23:17,919 inside the burrow by a team member of 777 00:23:17,919 --> 00:23:21,600 Boston Diane. uh from signed by my 778 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,520 father street and um sustaining many 779 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,039 neighbors here as well as others on the 780 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:29,039 block. We would like to submit a copy of 781 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:33,510 the letter as an exhibit. 782 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,159 » I've I've given that letter to Kate of 783 00:23:36,159 --> 00:23:38,240 the board secretary and she's going to 784 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,400 scan it and send it to the board members 785 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,799 and then I will send it to the council 786 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:45,039 members and administration and the 787 00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:45,760 clerk. 788 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,070 >> We appreciate that. We would also like 789 00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:48,080 » We appreciate that. We would also like 790 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,400 the honor to reply as you have requested 791 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,280 on the issues that we raised. 792 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,630 >> Some of that might be part of the 793 00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:54,640 » Some of that might be part of the 794 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:55,520 hearing itself. 795 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:55,909 >> Exactly. 796 00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:55,919 » Exactly. 797 00:23:55,919 --> 00:24:00,390 >> So be I guess be a little uh um I guess 798 00:24:00,390 --> 00:24:00,400 » So be I guess be a little uh um I guess 799 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,840 patient with that because we haven't 800 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,760 heard their application so we can't 801 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,679 answer for them. They may come in and 802 00:24:05,679 --> 00:24:07,679 they may answer 803 00:24:07,679 --> 00:24:09,520 10 questions. They may answer eight of 804 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:10,880 them right there. So part of that's 805 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,080 going to be the hearing itself. 806 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,390 >> I understand the need for patience. 807 00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:14,400 » I understand the need for patience. 808 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,960 However, um we've been asked the same 809 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,440 then of lost builders who has approached 810 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,080 many of us even making offers to some of 811 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,000 us financial offers around potential who 812 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,159 has appeared on our properties without 813 00:24:28,159 --> 00:24:31,679 information who has taken pictures etc. 814 00:24:31,679 --> 00:24:34,960 So as patients if your application has 815 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,039 not been approved if you haven't 816 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:38,149 >> I think you're getting into the 817 00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:38,159 » I think you're getting into the 818 00:24:38,159 --> 00:24:40,159 application itself at this point. So, 819 00:24:40,159 --> 00:24:42,080 uh, and this is kind of news to us. So, 820 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,279 you're kind of going out if you have 821 00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:46,799 that. So, 822 00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:48,950 >> and I said before too, uh, Chief Bird is 823 00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:48,960 » and I said before too, uh, Chief Bird is 824 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,640 offered to help you with any kind of, 825 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,279 uh, trespassing issues, then that's 826 00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:55,279 that's obviously a a code enforcement 827 00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:57,919 police activity. Uh, I appreciate your, 828 00:24:57,919 --> 00:24:59,360 you know, um, due diligence with 829 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:01,120 bringing this information to our board. 830 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:02,799 Uh, but we have to hear the case first. 831 00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:04,230 >> Yeah. And then with respect to the 832 00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:04,240 » Yeah. And then with respect to the 833 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,919 letter, if you do want it submitted as 834 00:25:05,919 --> 00:25:07,440 an exhibit, you would need to present it 835 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,760 at the hearing just to verify who you 836 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,360 know what it's purports to be. So you'll 837 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,520 regular basis. 838 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:16,950 >> That's fine. No, like I said, there'll 839 00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:16,960 » That's fine. No, like I said, there'll 840 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,720 be public notice and and it'll go out 841 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:19,760 there and like I said, it'll be 842 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,360 reviewed. So I'll I will make sure that 843 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:23,039 the notice is in order before it gets 844 00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:25,039 heard. But like I said, just to the just 845 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:28,080 to that 846 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,640 time, 847 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,440 right? So, so the call we appreciate 848 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,480 we're ensuring that it will be in order. 849 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,640 Um, but we do want to be at that hearing 850 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,520 and we do not want to have um a miss on. 851 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,230 >> Okay. Thank you. 852 00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:46,240 » Okay. Thank you. 853 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,710 >> Okay. Um, of course suggest I I just 854 00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:50,720 » Okay. Um, of course suggest I I just 855 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,440 want to clarify one thing to do with the 856 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,840 re-exam uh and the master plan. Um, how 857 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,200 if members of the board have questions, 858 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,919 comments, [clears throat] whatever, um, 859 00:26:03,919 --> 00:26:06,480 can they go I just procedurally want to 860 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,720 make sure we're all on the same page. 861 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,159 Um, can should they go to Kate as the as 862 00:26:12,159 --> 00:26:15,200 the land use board secretary? She that's 863 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,400 what I would suggest that that be the 864 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,240 case so we don't get peace meal pieces. 865 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,279 Um and then Kate at the appropriate time 866 00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:26,880 can 867 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,600 send those to us and then we can do 868 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,120 whatever we need to do. 869 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:34,950 >> So you looking for recommendations or 870 00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:34,960 » So you looking for recommendations or 871 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,320 you looking for questions? 872 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,789 >> Questions or recommendations or have you 873 00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:38,799 » Questions or recommendations or have you 874 00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:40,880 addressed what about addressing this or 875 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,159 what about doing this but I don't maybe 876 00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:46,400 somebody may say gee I don't understand 877 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:51,440 this. What do you mean by this? Or or I 878 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,200 know that there's more updated 879 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,520 information on whatever it may be. 880 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,559 whatever comments, questions, whatever 881 00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:02,880 it may be, but not where 882 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,360 to the extent that we can streamline 883 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:08,080 this process and getting input, it would 884 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,120 be best to do it that way rather than 885 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:14,240 wait for the next meeting and then have 886 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,710 >> right instead of rapid fire 13ers 887 00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:16,720 » right instead of rapid fire 13ers 888 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,710 >> because I'm afraid not going to be able 889 00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:18,720 » because I'm afraid not going to be able 890 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,679 to write that fast or Megan. [laughter] 891 00:27:21,679 --> 00:27:23,110 >> Yeah, I agree. I think that makes the 892 00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:23,120 » Yeah, I agree. I think that makes the 893 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:25,279 most sense. So to the extent there's 894 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:27,919 questions, comments, concerns on what 895 00:27:27,919 --> 00:27:29,919 gets read in the uh re-exam, I would say 896 00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:32,159 send those to Kate and then obviously 897 00:27:32,159 --> 00:27:33,200 sooner the better. But 898 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,909 >> yes, but whatever. I mean, it's right 899 00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:35,919 » yes, but whatever. I mean, it's right 900 00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:37,919 bedtime, right? 901 00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:39,760 He's going to sleep. 902 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:40,870 >> It'll do it. 903 00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:40,880 » It'll do it. 904 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,029 >> Or it'll get you so worked up 905 00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:43,039 » Or it'll get you so worked up 906 00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:43,830 >> maybe. [clears throat] 907 00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:43,840 » maybe. [clears throat] 908 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,510 >> Then you will sleep and then you'll 909 00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:45,520 » Then you will sleep and then you'll 910 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,360 write down all your questions and say 911 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:49,760 what the heck is this. So whatever it 912 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:50,960 is. 913 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,630 >> Okay. So then I guess really the 914 00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:52,640 » Okay. So then I guess really the 915 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,559 recommendation is to really go through 916 00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:56,240 what's already put together, 917 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,549 >> kind of digest it for a minute or two. 918 00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:58,559 » kind of digest it for a minute or two. 919 00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:01,200 Uh think about some questions and or 920 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,200 suggestions, send them off to the 921 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,200 secretary and then we'll hash it out 922 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,039 here and 923 00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:08,389 >> correct. 924 00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:08,399 » correct. 925 00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:09,909 >> I'm almost thinking maybe we should even 926 00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:09,919 » I'm almost thinking maybe we should even 927 00:28:09,919 --> 00:28:14,159 maybe uh say maybe 15 minutes in October 928 00:28:14,159 --> 00:28:15,679 just to kind of 929 00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:17,990 >> we would it'll be a public hearing. 930 00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:18,000 » we would it'll be a public hearing. 931 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,840 I think it's we do it in November and 932 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,360 then if like I said if the board needs 933 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:23,200 to call a special meeting again but then 934 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,399 there would still be the December date 935 00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:25,679 if things needed to continue. 936 00:28:25,679 --> 00:28:28,870 >> But I I suspect that we will be able to 937 00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:28,880 » But I I suspect that we will be able to 938 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,520 get where we need to get. 939 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,144 >> Right. Okay. Fair enough. 940 00:28:34,144 --> 00:28:34,154 » Right. Okay. Fair enough. 941 00:28:34,154 --> 00:28:35,360 [clears throat] Okay. Anybody else want 942 00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:36,480 to 943 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:37,830 >> I have something. 944 00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:37,840 » I have something. 945 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,029 >> Okay. Go ahead Paul. So my question is 946 00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:41,039 » Okay. Go ahead Paul. So my question is 947 00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:43,440 as board members 948 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,240 if we want to do a site review 949 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,159 um has this more traditionally 950 00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:50,880 established a site review committee 951 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,679 where we have 952 00:28:51,679 --> 00:28:53,269 >> you talking about the master plan or you 953 00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:53,279 » you talking about the master plan or you 954 00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:56,424 talking any 955 00:28:56,424 --> 00:28:58,000 [clears throat] we want to limit the 956 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,480 number of the members the number of 957 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,240 members that go do the site review 958 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,320 because you don't want to have a quarum. 959 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,880 Um, have we ever had a policy or 960 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,559 anything where we issue cards to 961 00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:09,200 members? 962 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,710 >> Well, we've had a kind of a loose 963 00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:10,720 » Well, we've had a kind of a loose 964 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,520 policy. I remember several years ago, 965 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,679 um, you know, we were talking about, I 966 00:29:15,679 --> 00:29:18,799 guess, uh, you know, some some members 967 00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:20,640 were not visiting the properties. So, 968 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,840 when you look at something that's on a 969 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,720 piece of paper, you can't quite grasp. 970 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,080 Bay Street is a great example. If you 971 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,799 look at a piece of paper, Bay Street's 972 00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:30,960 like this, you know, we all know it's 973 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:31,760 like this. 974 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,909 >> Mhm. you know, so I do recommend the 975 00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:33,919 » Mhm. you know, so I do recommend the 976 00:29:33,919 --> 00:29:37,200 board uh visit, you know, the sites, you 977 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,399 know, not necessarily get out of the car 978 00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:40,320 and walk around it, but at least be made 979 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,399 aware of where it is, what it looks 980 00:29:42,399 --> 00:29:44,240 like, what the neighborhood looks like, 981 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:44,720 that sort of. 982 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,389 >> So that brings me to the concern of the 983 00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:46,399 » So that brings me to the concern of the 984 00:29:46,399 --> 00:29:48,080 residents when they see folks walking 985 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,159 around. if we have a card that says we 986 00:29:50,159 --> 00:29:52,559 are part of the land use board and we're 987 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:54,799 just doing our own due diligence. 988 00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:56,950 >> I also think the concerns and I I think 989 00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:56,960 » I also think the concerns and I I think 990 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,399 we can definitely discuss the procedure, 991 00:29:58,399 --> 00:30:00,000 but I think their concerns and I don't 992 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,360 want to cuz I think this is more for 993 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,799 Chief Burton, but their concerns were 994 00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:04,320 about people coming out to their 995 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,320 property potentially and taking pictures 996 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,640 or otherwise. So, you know, to the 997 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,640 extent it's the you know, it's people 998 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,240 viewing from the road, I don't know if 999 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,840 it's necessarily ne necessary to have I 1000 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,799 know it's individual tags. It's not 1001 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:20,880 always from the road. Sometimes you have 1002 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,919 to go up to the top and look down, 1003 00:30:23,919 --> 00:30:25,750 >> you know, you have to get to the back. 1004 00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:25,760 » you know, you have to get to the back. 1005 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,110 >> Yeah. Then I think we, you know, as long 1006 00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:27,120 » Yeah. Then I think we, you know, as long 1007 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,360 as the property owner themselves 1008 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,120 provides us with an authorization to do 1009 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,799 so, you know, it's like a slippery 1010 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:33,120 slope. 1011 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,549 >> Again, it wouldn't it still wouldn't be 1012 00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:34,559 » Again, it wouldn't it still wouldn't be 1013 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:36,320 on the the neighbors unless they 1014 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,480 authorized it. So, 1015 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,269 >> think about yourself. 1016 00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:39,279 » think about yourself. 1017 00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:40,710 >> We can definitely talk about it as, you 1018 00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:40,720 » We can definitely talk about it as, you 1019 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:41,919 know, figure out if there's something 1020 00:30:41,919 --> 00:30:44,080 more specific, but I don't know if it's 1021 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,590 >> I don't know yet. And I'm just going to 1022 00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:45,600 » I don't know yet. And I'm just going to 1023 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,840 make a comment on it. If you came out of 1024 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,039 your house and you look out the window 1025 00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:50,880 and you saw some guy with a tape measure 1026 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,480 on the side of your building going like 1027 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:53,600 this, you'd probably come out and be 1028 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,360 like, you know, confrontational to say 1029 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,159 the least. 1030 00:30:56,159 --> 00:30:57,669 >> So I wouldn't recommend anybody just 1031 00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:57,679 » So I wouldn't recommend anybody just 1032 00:30:57,679 --> 00:30:59,120 showing up and walking on people's 1033 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,640 properties, taking pictures, 1034 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,440 measurements or anything like that. Um I 1035 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,200 think most of most of the applications 1036 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,960 we have, especially at Highlands, the 1037 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,200 lots are typically small, so you can 1038 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,720 kind of get a good feel for it just 1039 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,039 driving by. Um, I would think if there's 1040 00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:14,640 a need to go on the property, we'd have 1041 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,120 to do some procedure on that. But that 1042 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:17,840 sounds 1043 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,510 >> No, I mean that the applicant would 1044 00:31:19,510 --> 00:31:19,520 » No, I mean that the applicant would 1045 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:20,640 authorize that as part of the 1046 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,399 application. So, I think that's there's 1047 00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:24,399 separate two separate issues. The 1048 00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:26,240 applicant and going on the applicant's 1049 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,799 property versus neighboring properties, 1050 00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:30,240 they're two very different things. If 1051 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,399 the applicant would authorize that as 1052 00:31:32,399 --> 00:31:34,720 part of the application process, you 1053 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,080 know, we're viewing it from the street, 1054 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,039 which is fine either way. Um but but to 1055 00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:41,039 go on to neighboring properties that's 1056 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:42,880 that's the owner of effort I got. 1057 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,310 >> So yeah [clears throat] 1058 00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:44,320 » So yeah [clears throat] 1059 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:45,840 I got a dog if you come my property my 1060 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,000 dog will like [laughter] straight up he 1061 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,080 won't even bark he'll bark twice maybe 1062 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,919 before he's putting his teeth in you 1063 00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:54,000 know so you know and other people 1064 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,279 probably have other dogs my dog's like 1065 00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:57,760 30 lbs you know there's much bigger dogs 1066 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,000 that do much worse damage than uh my 1067 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,679 little dog but uh anyway okay uh any 1068 00:32:03,679 --> 00:32:05,039 other comments from the board or 1069 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,120 anything else to go over? 1070 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,440 No. Okay. Uh for a motion to adjurnn. 1071 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,389 >> Motion. 1072 00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:12,399 » Motion. 1073 00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:13,990 >> Second. 1074 00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:14,000 » Second. 1075 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:14,950 >> All in favor? 1076 00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:14,960 » All in favor? 1077 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,149 >> I. 1078 00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:16,159 » I. 1079 00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:18,470 >> Okay. Take it off. And again to the 1080 00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:18,480 » Okay. Take it off. And again to the 1081 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,960 public, you will be noticed like like 1082 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:35,590 three years. I'll figure it out. 1083 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:46,977 » Yeah. You got it. 1084 00:32:46,987 --> 00:32:55,350 » [laughter] 1085 00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:03,190 » All right. 1086 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,960 » Good night. 1087 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,640 I think it's not. 1088 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,200 >> Yes. Thank you.