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I'll go ahead and call the meeting to
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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» We have two sets of minutes, one from
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And then one from the regular meeting.
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ones that were handed out, not the ones
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Do I have a motion to approve the
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With one change
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Do I hear a motion to approve the
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» So moved.
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» Second.
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other discussion?
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» Aye.
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» So moved.
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» Aye.
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We have payroll.
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» I'll make the motion to accept payroll.
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» All those opposed?
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Is there anybody
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the commission tonight for something
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if you guys are okay with it, we'll go
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And we can start with
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sheriff's office as well. So.

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Steve, do you have anything for us
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» I do not.
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» You got anything for me?
>> You guys have anything for Steve?

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Okay.
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We'll let the other Steve have it.
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um I thought I'd bring you a little bit
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diversity of E2S. We not only have
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engineers.
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to experience the whole thing.
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capital improvement planning. He's uh
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10 years and
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Sounds great.
>> Thanks, Steve.

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» Good evening, Mayor and the
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know if I got to mess slides, okay? Um
as Steve mentioned, my name is Kellen

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Grubb. I'm out of our Fargo office and I
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leader. Um
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practice is is really helping
communities and systems invest in their

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infrastructure systems. So, you can go
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wanted to touch on quickly is just some
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practices.
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components. The first being asset
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management of your physical hard assets.
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assessing the condition and risk, and
then prioritizing projects to optimize

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maintenance activities and really
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asset useful life. The second side of
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that's understanding the full cost of
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full cost of providing service to your
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and ensuring affordability for your
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doing the right projects at the right
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Go to the next one.
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talked to Lucas in the Public Works
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Hillsborough has really good GIS data.
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8-plus years of established GIS data
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systems are mapped,
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continued field updates and data
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streets, electrical subdivisions, and
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where ATS helped the city through a
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Crookston. So, Crookston had a lot of
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really know where to start. So, I just
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process, and then show you what the
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Crookston.
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analysis, so scoring their streets, and
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excellent or new condition, five being
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really evaluating how likely that asset
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if it did fail. So, you know, uh uh
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1950s
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on it is going to be more likely to fail
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pipe. And then consequence of failure is
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people does it serve, how how much flow
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those two components, we evaluate um on
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independently, so then we do a corridor
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replace a street or improve a street if
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water and sewer are bad, maybe you just
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if it's all bad, maybe it's a full
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really trying to figure out the best
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then we prioritize those.
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This is an example of what the
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deliverables looks like. We call these
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these. These can look a variety of
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you know, a city's needs or how they
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a map of the project, outlines the scope
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it's probably going to take place, how
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we tailor them uh depending on the on
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frequently utilize dashboards. So, this
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built on the the Esri GIS uh platform in
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to see the map, but the projects by
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filter by system type. It shows the cost
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know, on a graph or a chart.
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tool. You can filter by
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look 1 year out. There's a lot of
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you know, if you're ever interested in a
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next one. And now, just to wrap up a
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So, at E2S, we also developed an
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I showed you for Crookston, that's
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is, uh you know, a very prominent
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we developed with this is there's some
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where the the GIS dashboard that I just
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just a visual representation. Here are
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here's where they're at. This one you
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different revenue sources or revenue
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budgeting tool. And we'd never say that
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financials within your city, but you can
run different scenarios and and really

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evaluate finances a number of different
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certain projects are going to be.
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I've only got a few left, so um this
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that uh project funding and
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different things. So, we always try and
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clients to pursue funding. Funding is is
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say that funding creates the
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determines what is realistic. So, you
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you know, to to build a project, but
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what does that mean for your residents?
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our cities that we work with understand
the funding aspect, but also

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affordability and what the impacts to
your uh residents might be.

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planning. So, generally we say capital
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software are tools and we utilize the
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but ultimately at the end of the day, um
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make important decisions and have to use
judgment, and the software and the data

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can help inform those decisions, but
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software supports the process, but
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I think I got one more left.
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but he you know, I haven't worked
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that condition assessment and asset
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been some preliminary project
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And as a future need or next steps and
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needed to talk about the size of project
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So, that's all I have. I want to thank
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happy to answer any questions if you
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I don't have any just I guess our next
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some ideas on what you can do for

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capital improvements planning, you know,
as projects come up here.

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Yardo was going to come and just uh

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check in and see if there was any uh
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information on the
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that's
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Planning or targeting for that?

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» I just I just been waiting to see a
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that, so.
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what needs to be done and stuff, but

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then the next step would be to uh
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start with uh you know, engaging um if
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and show some costs and stuff and
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to get the paving done by 2030 before
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um city's big event.
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construction '28, '29, you know, it kind
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if you want us to
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that's something we can do. We can talk
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» Cuz I kind of see our next step is
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do this as one large project or
do we do it as a capital improvement

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where we split it out a little bit over
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That's not quite done or ready yet, but
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to see what we need to do cuz
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we can get as possible. But, within next
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into our what we need to replace as far
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» But I think we need to have a plan.
If you didn't even design everything

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for 2017 next year or whatever.
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What do you need to have What do you
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» See the chart proposal. How much money
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» Yeah. I mean, we talked about uh
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try to come up with the uh
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engaged community on it.
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I think we need some more hard numbers
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We have all this, but do we need to put
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need to do full depth repair. This is
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stuff to figure out.
You know, can we do it within a year?

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as you are I was going to talk about
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make it yet.
Um but I just wanted to bring it up to

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you guys to think about it again and if
you want to dive into it more detail at

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the next meeting, you can
um

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make sure Yardo is here and you can
have him address some of that.

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What do you think we want to do?
>> How do you guys I mean, how do you want

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to proceed? Do you think you want to
proceed as one large project or do you

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want to do
more capital improvement where we look

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at it and say,
you know,

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we'll get
$4 million here we could work on

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first, second, third, fourth, and fifth
on the northwest part of town.

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» I guess I'd have to see the the
to do the whole complete thing.

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versus, you know, just pairing where we
where we need it the worst, obviously.

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» Yeah, some of the some of the problems
with doing just neighborhoods is you can

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really only special assess that
neighborhood and then

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um
then you get to the next neighborhood

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then you special assess them so then you
might as well

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go citywide and special special assess
everybody at the same time.

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But
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there was stuff all over town, utilities
all over town that need to be replaced

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and
some were worse than others and and some

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pavements worse than others.
You already had a plan where

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you were looking at the the where the
pavements need to be replaced or if

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utilities need to be replaced and that
automatically made that road

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a
full street repair and replacement

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project.

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» Well, then that's what we should do.

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» And do you want to plan for the storm
water in there as well?

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» Everything.
>> Everything?

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» Okay.
>> So, we'll need a task order for that, I

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would assume, and Jared come back with
us maybe at the next meeting.

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» Yep.
>> Okay.

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» I'll have Kevin come up with the scope
and bring that to the next meeting and

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then
talk to you guys about

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make sure that's what you're on on board
with.

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» Okay.

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I'll look forward to that.

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Any other questions for Steve?

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You're quick tonight.

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Yeah.
>> Okay, thanks.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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» Uh
Casey, do you have anything tonight?

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» Um the only thing extra that we're doing
is working on a grant through MRES for

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Christmas lights over at Riverwalk Park.
Um, the grant is a $1,000 grant and we

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are having a PA discuss what they'd like
to see over there as far as lights or

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Christmas displays. Um,
so yeah, that's what we're working on.

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» Okay.
JR, anything?

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» Uh, just that email I sent regarding the
Riverwalk items. I'm not sure if you

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want to discuss that tonight or what the
plan should be.

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» Everybody get a chance to read that
email?

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» I read it quickly.

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» Um, the gist of it was
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they potentially would pay for half of
the new trees and then

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um

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we would be responsible for

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» What is the skid steer work that is?
>> What's that?

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» The skid steer work.
>> The skid steer work, yeah, and then they

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wanted the
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on the back side along the river that
needs to be fixed. There were some

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tree work that has been damaged so we
might we should be able to look into

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that.
Um, we did get

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the majority of the weeds got pulled out
of most of the beds.

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Um, and I think Jay, you put some
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mulch down in the center one.
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And then they wanted they said they
would come and fix the irrigation

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» Mhm.
>> at no cost to us

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to get that back up and running.
>> I think we need to put a plan together

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and put it on the agenda for next
meeting and

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what all them questions were
and how you're going to address them.

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John?
>> Yeah.

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What kind of lighting system is going to
be?

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It didn't last very long last very long
either.

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» Not that you can talk to him about you
and Jake can get together and talk to

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Roy and let him know what's going on
here.

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It's obviously what was put there wasn't
very high quality.

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If we're going to be responsible for it,
we better do it right.

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But
get it on the agenda for next time and

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come with some information and some
numbers. That's my view. I don't know

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what the rest of you feel.
>> John?

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Thoughts?
>> Okay.

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» Thoughts on that?
>> Yeah.

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Jake,
you're This is through GreenWorks and

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Lowry, yes?
Yeah.

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» That doesn't necessarily mean they
agreed and said they're going to do it

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for free.
And there's no sign of that necessarily

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have to go with them.
Right?

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» I can't remember what I wrote.

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» You got to kind of know what you're
doing, what we're doing, what the plan

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is.
What we're responsible for, what they're

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going to be responsible for.

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Might be a little gray area in that.
>> Well, I thought

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but what was wrecked by the contractors
was actually fixed, but

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» There's nothing
>> I don't think anything was

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» water, nothing fell through anymore.
>> Yeah.

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No, but I think that was
he was referring to a different spot

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where
that we had gotten that fixed.

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So.

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Or tried to.

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Jason, any thoughts?
>> I agree with Paul.

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» Okay.
You work on that?

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» Yep. I I can reach out to him first to
say that and if he wants to be a fourth

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person on that one, I can reach out to
his attorney so they can reach out to

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Laurie to
>> Okay.

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» refine the quote. I'll say it that way.
>> Okay.

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» With the details, for sure.
>> Mr. Mayor, I want a clearer picture of

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what exactly is our responsibility going
forward.

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» That is something they want to know as
well. It's worth going over a checklist,

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if you will.
>> Mhm.

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» Cuz I think
>> first steps for Harvard.

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» Cuz we had I had asked them several
times in emails and conversation like

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there was no
nothing was said or a handover that said

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this is what they want or this was
expectations.

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And then
>> And what is considered out of normal

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maintenance? That's what we really got
to determine. What's considered normal

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maintenance and what isn't.

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» Uh um and then you had the road
agreement, correct, that everybody got?

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» I didn't send that one off, actually. I
had that one just after this one and

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» Okay. I couldn't remember. I thought you
had sent it off, but you sent it to me,

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not everybody.
>> I was quite busy today. Um I forgot to

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do a follow-up on that one, so
>> Okay.

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Um so see that that's the road agreement
with the township so that we know

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» I'll send that one out after this work,
probably tomorrow morning or tomorrow

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afternoon.
>> So we'll just look at that at the next

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meeting.
All right.

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JD, anything that's not on the agenda?
>> Um Casey, did you discuss anything on

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that
backhoe?

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I was just going to see if we could get
an approval. Um

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if we ordered the backhoe right now, we
wouldn't have to pay for anything or do

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anything with it.
But at least I can get it on order so it

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can show up by
December, January. If we wait until the

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end of the year to order it, we won't
have to pay until next June.

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So I was just thinking of ordering it
at the beginning of the year. That was

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our big purchase.

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» That was in the budget for this year.
For this coming

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for 2027.
>> Um for 27 we have it in the budget,

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yeah.
>> Yeah.

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Cuz we had it in 26 but we bought the
>> We bought the trucks.

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» the two trucks.

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So it's just the okay if you guys are
okay purchasing it ahead of time or

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giving the okay to buy it and we don't
have to buy it until

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next year.

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» I think if we can wait two weeks that we
go through the budget finally.

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» Okay.
>> And make sure everybody the numbers and

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everything cuz that's
what $1,000 $2,000?

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» for a backhoe?
>> Sure.

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We'll get three of them.
>> for the front end.

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» Add a couple zeros to what you just
said.

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» Yeah.
>> No.

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» That sound good to everybody?
>> Okay.

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» Okay.
>> I just I need to ask you but what's the

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backhoe for?
>> To replace it, right?

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» It's just I mean like just as a
bystander in the meeting, you guys I

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know this
You guys are here joking and laughing

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about it, I get it. But like
we're talking about real dollars in the

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sense that you have to pay for this
stuff.

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And so it's just it's hard to sit here
and

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participate and not say anything cuz I
know how much backhoe costs.

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And I know how much everything else
costs that I don't

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purchase in my company.
And I'm sitting here to try to defend

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but almost a 3x multiple on my
electrical bills and helping with the

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backhoe, so.
>> It's used daily. Used it for the garbage

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department to the electric department to
the water department.

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» Sure.
>> Dig in all the water mains.

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Dig in all the electric lines.
>> Sure, I just I understand. You don't

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have to defend your position. I'm just
saying sorry. Just sitting here and

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listening to the the common people with
common hearing on conversation. I

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understand
the purpose, but

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» I guess we have a sense of humor here.
>> That's totally fine, sir. Yep, I'm fine.

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» Anything else, Jay?
>> Um

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not as of right now.
>> Okay. Zach, did you have anything?

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» Um
No, I just

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really turned the flashlight into the
next couple weeks. Um and after that,

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we're going to go
full blown party and give as much time

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as possible to the town.
And then

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until freezing up in the spring again
next year. And we need to

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give as much notice as possible next
year with that group numbers. So

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that's um
>> Okay.

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Moving on to commissioner's reports,
I'll start with Jason tonight.

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» I have nothing.
>> John?

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» I have nothing.
>> Paul?

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» Just on the electrical side, we're still
waiting for the bid sheets to come. Uh

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boy, I don't know if you have seen them.
I've told Brian, but I haven't. And uh

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on economic development, of course,
we're still building the homes out there

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in in the Riverwalk.
Um I think they started their fourth

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fourth one they've started on
out there. So

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they're also I think there's another one
being built

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out there, too. Uh so some of the
incentives that the economic development

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has put out there to help build the
homes is

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is apparently enticing some people to to
build out there, so

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so that's that's always good.
Uh economic development, of course, I

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mentioned a while back about uh
potentially hiring somebody with uh

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to work for community organizer or type
of thing or or um

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not directly with economic development
cuz Jim does that, but somebody to help

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help with that, help with the needs of
economic economic development group has,

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needs or concerns that they want
addressed. And uh that they can have

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somebody that can
spend more time to that. So, right now

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we're we're still working we're still
working on the job description for that

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and a dollar amount.
And then that would be then once we got

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that, we would bring that
to

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the commission, so.
>> Okay.

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» Paul, would there be somebody that uh
a local business could reach out to to

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actually target to market somebody?
>> I don't know what the business would be,

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but
>> Uh

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come from me probably day one.
Uh

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we just have a we have a few uh
very specific employees that we're

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trying to hire right now.
>> Mhm.

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» And if that that position if it was
mechanically sound enough,

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» Mhm.
>> um we would definitely appreciate that.

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» Mhm.
Is it possible I can get a chance?

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There's nothing concrete yet. Like I
said, we're still we're still getting

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the job description and
once we have the job description, we'll

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find out of okay, what kind of range are
we working with here?

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So.
>> Well, anything would be better than a

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recruiter.
Which is 20% of the salary at least.

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They can decide.

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» They'll mainly deal with the things that
are economic development that are more

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time consuming at the board per se just
their individuals don't have time to

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address that they want addressed. So,
that would be that person's job, so.

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» But those individuals like Jim or like
the first we described have a black book

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of a bunch of contacts that have a wide
reach.

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» Mhm.
Yeah.

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» I'd rather spend the money here than
have somebody out of state.

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» Right.

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Thank you.
>> Anything else, Paul?

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» I don't think so.

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» Um
first

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I got a request from Our Savior's
Lutheran Church to close down

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00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:53,440
the street
to the west of the church on this coming

444
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:57,400
Sunday
and from

445
00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:03,760
about 7:00 till
3:00 for their block party

446
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,760
that they normally have.

447
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,960
Just need a motion to approve that.
>> I'll make the motion.

448
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,520
» Jason makes the motion. Is there a
second?

449
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:17,320
» I'll second.
>> Seconded by John. Any other discussion?

450
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,960
Paul?
>> Yes.

451
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,040
» John?
>> Yes.

452
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,320
» Jason?
>> Yes.

453
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:28,400
» Any else for me? Motion carries.
>> Did they request from American Legion?

454
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:32,800
» He hasn't yet, but I'll see if I'm sure
he will once a couple probably four.

455
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:40,440
Um there was a USDA loan that came out

456
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,960
for electrical.

457
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:57,040
It is the It's a rural development
affordable loan.

458
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,040
It is due

459
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:06,680
September 30th.
Um and this is through 2031.

460
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:12,320
So, you apply now and then you're able
to use those funds through 2031.

461
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:16,560
Um
minimum award is a million, the maximum

462
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:21,520
award is 100 million.
Um

463
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:26,840
there is potential for forgivable as
part of that as well. So,

464
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:31,160
my question is is
um

465
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:35,680
shall we apply for it?
And to

466
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:38,880
um Abby Ritz is willing to help us put
the project together.

467
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,880
If you guys still choose to want to do
that.

468
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:47,880
I don't see it on phase one, but it
would be more phase two, three, and

469
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,880
four.

470
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:54,120
» I'd be curious.
Apparently, somebody's looked at it.

471
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:58,280
I've looked at it and I don't really see
how it's going to fall into ours, but I

472
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:02,200
don't know when you know it all, so I'd
be curious as to what section of that

473
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:05,840
grant is our project is going to fall
under.

474
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,840
» It's the transmission.

475
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,800
It's not all of it, but it is part of
it, so

476
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,920
But like I said, we can't
It's due at the end of the month, so if

477
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:25,680
you want to apply, we need to get going
on it now.

478
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,680
It just came out.

479
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,720
» I think if there's stuff that would fall
under our scope, it'd be worth looking

480
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,720
at.

481
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,120
» I would say the same thing as Floyd. I
mean

482
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:47,000
if we don't have something to fall
under, then certainly I'd apply for it.

483
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:57,800
» Correct. It'd be the parts that
um it does fit into.

484
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,800
I'm on that page again.

485
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:03,840
Two types of project connection of
eligible hydro audio

486
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:11,040
and
But there was a section in there for

487
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:14,159
merchant power projects with non-utility
with generating power.

488
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:20,760
That was one part of it, but there was
another There's a transmission part,

489
00:34:18,399 --> 00:34:20,760
too.

490
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,560
So, you have to move forward on on it

491
00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:38,840
and see what can fit.
>> I have more than one grant I can move

492
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:41,919
them up move forward with it.
And to make sure that we had

493
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:46,360
and that uh there's brought there's
something in that project that'll

494
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,360
qualify. That's just

495
00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:54,240
Not that I'm not going to turn away that
but I just don't know if it'll

496
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:58,639
it'll fall in that
I don't know what the cost would be to

497
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,639
have her write that grant.

498
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:05,680
» She hadn't gotten back to me. Like I
said, we just got this on

499
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:11,080
Thursday or Friday. So.
And then the loan term is for 35 35

500
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,080
years. So.

501
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:18,960
We'll keep working on it but like I said
>> From a

502
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:23,200
private enterprise perspective
the grant writing process with both the

503
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:27,000
state and federal has
it's been

504
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:30,960
a little arduous. They've been a lot a
lot more flexible. But there's money to

505
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,320
be had.
You've already paid your taxes. Go out

506
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,200
and
chase them.

507
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:41,400
I don't know what the cost for somebody
in your guys's pool to write a grant but

508
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,320
might be a little bit more paperwork but
the money's there.

509
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,400
» Mhm.
>> There's money to be found. Just take

510
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:52,000
them. It's uh
a lot more hoops but uh

511
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:56,000
they haven't been turned down a whole
lot either.

512
00:35:53,760 --> 00:36:00,360
» I was wrong. It's October 9th is the due
date. So.

513
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:03,360
» First thing I'll say is no problem.
You've even done them before.

514
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:10,920
» So we do have two meetings in before.
So.

515
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:14,720
If we do it, it'll be a tight turnaround
for then the next meeting to get it by

516
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:17,840
the 9th but I'll work with Abby on it.
Casey and I can work on it.

517
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:25,960
Um and then
we were going to have as part of our

518
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:29,720
tree grant, we're going to have the city
crew but we have blackman employees

519
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:33,560
right now.
So, I'm just requesting to get help with

520
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:38,440
those 100 trees to get them taken out.
There is money in the beautification

521
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:43,480
budget to fulfill that so that we can
get the rest of the grant.

522
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,480
The 25,000.

523
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:51,640
I haven't looked into anything yet cuz I
didn't want to get the okay, but it is a

524
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:55,200
requirement to get out 50 trees for the
100 that were planted. So,

525
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,400
like I said, it was planned that we're
going to use

526
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:02,120
public works to help get them out and
then do the stumps later.

527
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,680
If you guys are okay with that.

528
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,760
» What do we have in the beautification?

529
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:27,680
» At the beginning of the year, we had
budgeted 25 grand for facade /

530
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,440
beautification.
Um

531
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:33,160
» And I think we've taken out one demo
grant.

532
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:38,520
» Mhm.
And then you'll have a facade grant.

533
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,920
I think that was on this last set of
bills.

534
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,840
» Yep.
>> Let me I'll double-check, but

535
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:48,680
my memory is saying that you've got
quite a bit left. Um probably 20 grand

536
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,200
based on a demo grant and a facade
grant. So, let me look.

537
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:55,120
» And I'm guessing we can probably get
them taken out for about 10 if we can

538
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:59,760
get the right company based on what
we've done in the past. So,

539
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:03,200
» They just removed a bunch of trees
around the courthouse. I don't know if

540
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:06,040
people know who those are
or not, but

541
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:10,440
might be something they're looking at.
>> Possibly.

542
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:14,560
As long as they were elm trees. Ash
trees. Or ash trees, not elm trees. Ash

543
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:17,480
trees. As long as they're ash trees.
>> They were ash trees.

544
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:22,280
» Talk to Kyle. He'd be the one to know.
>> Okay.

545
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:22,280
» Does it matter how they get them out?

546
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,960
» It has to be on public property, so it
can't be in your backyard.

547
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,840
» They appreciate the community
involvement.

548
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,640
» But no.
>> If if if

549
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:37,000
we need help, like we have a
We have a couple of people within our

550
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,760
organization that are pretty handy with
a chainsaw and a

551
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:42,240
want to Steve know if you have some
camera equipment.

552
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:51,080
» Um it doesn't matter how they come down
um because it's not

553
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:54,240
when we wrote the grant, it's not
Previously, we've had to use certain

554
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,680
companies because it's part of the
grant. This one is not part of the

555
00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:01,160
grant. Our agreement was is that we for
every tree that we planted

556
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,880
we would
for every two trees that we planted, we

557
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,240
take out one.
>> So, we have some

558
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:11,360
I obviously have some capable people
with chainsaws. So, we have some deep

559
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:15,840
subsoilers that would take the roots out
20 ft out from the base.

560
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:20,000
Um something we'd be willing to put We
just We can talk about that if you can

561
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,320
do a little community exchange here.
>> Yeah.

562
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,080
» As long as Steve knows.
>> Yes.

563
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:30,800
But as long as you guys if we can't get
that, I just need the okay so we can get

564
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:33,760
that done this fall cuz when is it?
November 1st when it has to be done?

565
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:37,760
» Yeah.
And there is 20 grand left in there. So,

566
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:42,840
you've spent
2,000 on a demo grant. You You just

567
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:48,280
spent 2,000 for
the facade for the banner building.

568
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:52,560
And then uh riverwalk bed cleaning. So,
you've spent 4,900 bucks. And we have a

569
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,880
$25,000
budget on that line.

570
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,640
» I just need a motion if you guys are
okay with that.

571
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,480
Thoughts, Paul?

572
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:23,320
» Don't remove them and then we don't get
that funding. we don't get the 25,000.

573
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:31,240
» I guess I'd like to know what it costs
to get the tomato appearance and

574
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,240
estimate on it.

575
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:40,000
Do we know if it's
10 or if it's 15 or if it's 20?

576
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,000
Just for sure, just to make sure.

577
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,800
» John.

578
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:58,400
» I don't know this for
Do we know if

579
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:01,320
all trees have been removed yet?
>> Mhm.

580
00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:05,800
» They're talking 15.
After noon.

581
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:05,800
» 50 have to be removed yet.

582
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:14,160
And the only requirement is that they're
ash, and so

583
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,280
» And on public boulevard
>> On boulevard property.

584
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,080
» Boulevard property.
>> Public property.

585
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:25,680
» Then is there a deadline when we have to
have it removed by?

586
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,680
» No, November 1st.

587
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,880
» If you got somebody who can give us a
cost by next meeting

588
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:36,120
I'd be happy to know when that would be.
Will you move forward with

589
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:38,320
And then
>> Okay.

590
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,160
» Get something.
>> Jason.

591
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,960
Does that sound okay?
>> Yep.

592
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,920
» Okay, I will get
cost put together.

593
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:53,400
All right. Would you guys like to go
down to old business first or go through

594
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,400
new business?

595
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,080
» Maybe go to
new.

596
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,200
» Okay.
Um so

597
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:07,200
as the motion states
from previous

598
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:12,720
meetings, um we had held a stay until
this commission meeting

599
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:16,960
that were implementation of the
um

600
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:23,120
demand charge.
Cuz at the the original motion back in

601
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,120
December

602
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:28,680
» Back in
Sir, when you approved the rate sheet?

603
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:31,480
» When we approved the rate sheet.
That would have been December. We

604
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:35,360
approved the rate sheet in December,
which had those demand charges on it.

605
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:42,560
And so we held it off for
until

606
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:47,440
the Tyler Tech was able to come in.
Then we held it off for 2 months, and

607
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:54,040
now and we held it off again for 2 weeks
and an additional week after last week.

608
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:54,040
Or till this is commission meeting, so.

609
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,760
Thoughts on that?

610
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,960
Paul?
>> I think I think we move ahead with it.

611
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:14,680
That would be my recommendation.
>> Just to clear to you this is just for

612
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,680
2026

613
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,960
rates.
>> Correct. 2026 rates.

614
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:25,040
My
uh position on it would be to keep the

615
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:30,200
2026 rates in for at least a year before
we go up at any point.

616
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:33,280
And it all depends on what
how far we are along in the project as

617
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:37,080
well.
So

618
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:42,320
potentially you wouldn't see an increase
until next year. I would even say till

619
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:47,840
the 20, you know,
this

620
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:50,040
the 250 and 350. Is that what it is?
>> For the charges?

621
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:55,120
» Demand charge.
>> Demand charges would have been done in

622
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,720
August. Um the lower winter rates would
start.

623
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,920
» So today or now?
>> Yeah.

624
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:06,560
» Um so I would say go with those rates
until

625
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,560
2028 would be my thought.

626
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,320
That's totally up the commission.

627
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:16,320
» And then how would that play if we got
that

628
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:21,480
grant?
>> If we get the grant, I mean then you

629
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:25,160
could adjust and say we're not having to
spend as much.

630
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:29,200
So you can say, well, we don't need to
implement the rates. The rate sheet is

631
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:35,840
are the rates that
MRR SC has was just suggestions

632
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:42,400
if we had to do the full amount
of how we would pay for it over time.

633
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,400
We're also, you know,

634
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,800
starting behind from what
what thought was I think we were

635
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,800
standing
land already or already be in the ground

636
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:55,360
already, so
we're not behind by any means.

637
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,520
Does that make sense?

638
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:15,760
So yeah, I would say that sorry, it was
310 and 260. You know, keep that all the

639
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:22,720
way up to to the beginning of 2028 and
then look at the 2027 rates for 2028.

640
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,560
At that point in time.
>> I think Kyle wanted to say something if

641
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,600
that's okay.
>> Do you have time for that?

642
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,600
» Yeah.

643
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,520
» So I had sent
an email out to the commissioner's

644
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,920
emails I had.
One of the questions I did have was a

645
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:43,280
couple of questions that I wanted some
answers to is and one of them was uh

646
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,960
what does what does Daggett and
Hillsborough cost to be a customer from

647
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:52,760
the city?
And that that was actually a question

648
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:56,400
that was posed to me from yourself Levi
from from the last meeting was what are

649
00:45:54,720 --> 00:46:01,040
you what are you what can you afford and
what are you willing to spend

650
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:07,400
kind of deal from the last meeting. And
to really unpack that, I'd like to know

651
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:13,280
what what it cost us or cost you
to provide power to Daggett Glen as a

652
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:16,360
its own sole entity.
And really what I'd like to do from that

653
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:20,800
is
from from your verbage is let's let's

654
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:25,600
find a a happy medium and middle ground
from what we cost as a consumer. Totally

655
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:30,520
want to pay our fair share.
I want to know what that fair share is

656
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:33,840
and what it costs to be a be a customer
of yours.

657
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:37,960
And then we want to spend X amount over
that cuz we like nice things too and we

658
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,800
want to we want to be good stewards of
the power grid, be good stewards of the

659
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,200
community.
Uh I just don't want to

660
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:48,920
I don't want to be in a position where
there's a gun to my head and

661
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:53,520
here's your bill kind of deal is where
it's the same story. I'm on repeat, I

662
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:59,240
understand that. But it's uh if we can
understand what it cost the city to

663
00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:04,160
provide us what we need and then we want
to pay over over and above that cuz we

664
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:09,440
like nice things too and we know
everything takes money to uh

665
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:14,120
to uh make the world go round.
So I'd ask you again if if we could

666
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:17,280
postpone, delay until we have some of
those questions answered.

667
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:21,720
Uh we'd really like to be able to be
part of the community, be really good

668
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:25,800
stewards here and we we want to pay more
than what it cost the city to provide us

669
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:29,440
electrical.
Truly do

670
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:33,240
and uh we know that costs money. We know
there's going to be a demand charge, we

671
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:37,640
know there's going to be some sort of a
an influx here.

672
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:40,920
And uh I I come to that conclusion based
off our last conversation at the last

673
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:44,960
commissioner meeting of
the question to me when I was at the

674
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:49,040
podium of what can Daggett Glen afford.
I probably wasn't prepared for that

675
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:52,000
question. I was kind of on the spot and
uh

676
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:58,080
I can acknowledge that and that's that's
kind of my downfall. We we budget 2 and

677
00:47:54,760 --> 00:48:02,360
1/2 to 3 and 1/2% increase across the
board for all of our budgets based on

678
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:07,960
the inflation. And when we start to see
6, 7, 11, 12, 26, whatever it is,

679
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:12,520
escalating up there, that's where it
puts a little

680
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:16,200
damper in what I've had budgeted for 5
years cuz every year I'm I've had I've

681
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:19,720
been asked to
to put together a 5-year plan.

682
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:24,200
So, again, I ain't going to sit here in
front of you guys to ask you

683
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:27,440
let's let's postpone it one more time
and I'd like to ask some of our

684
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:32,120
questions answered of what does it cost
for us to be a customer of yours?

685
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:36,920
And let's let's gather around the round
table and

686
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:43,120
and understand what what both sides have
to have to offer here. I know you guys

687
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,120
are in the driver's seat and

688
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:49,560
just cuz you can raise the rate doesn't
mean you should. Like, Everett and I are

689
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:54,240
here because it was affordable to be
here. That's why we chose to be here.

690
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:57,960
And uh
yeah, I guess I'll leave it at that and

691
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,280
ask for
ask for everybody to postpone it till we

692
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:05,520
get some
a few more answers or a few more answers

693
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:08,520
to questions here and uh yeah.
Do you have any questions for me or

694
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:16,720
» I can tell you that's what it costs us
to to provide power to you.

695
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:21,840
That's why we did the rate study.
And the reason that we're doing the

696
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,840
upgrade

697
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,280
and I think the commission understands
it now.

698
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:32,400
It It's in our
we are losing 40% of our electricity

699
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:37,080
because of the system we have. So, we
have to.

700
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:40,000
We will be more efficient
when this comes out.

701
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:46,920
So, it's not
if we keep going the way we're going,

702
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,440
like we keep staying it off and pushing
it off,

703
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:57,040
it's end up costing more and more.
>> This doesn't tell me what it what it

704
00:49:54,000 --> 00:50:01,520
cost to provide electricity just to
Dagleman.

705
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:05,480
That's for a large group of over 50 kW
users.

706
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:11,880
And if I'm
3 to 11 kW over, I'm lumped into the

707
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:16,080
same category as everybody else.
That's tough spot to be in and I think

708
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:19,800
it's a different uh
it's a different scale.

709
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:23,240
So, I'm I I guess I'd ask a two-part
question.

710
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:26,440
Is there a way to separate that? Is
there a way to acknowledge what it truly

711
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:30,480
cost?
I don't know what it When you say we're

712
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:33,760
inefficient today, I don't know I don't
understand that, I guess. I don't have

713
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:39,160
those answers.
>> It means for every megawatt that we buy,

714
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:42,000
we're losing 40%. Correct, Paul?
>> I don't think it's that high, but I

715
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,960
can't say for sure. I don't have it off
the top of my head. I don't think it's

716
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,400
that high.
>> We're losing a lot.

717
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,160
» We're losing a lot. We should be there.
>> And then there's a little bit of

718
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:53,000
indecisiveness amongst the commissioners
on what it truly is. Again, I'd ask,

719
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:56,680
let's let's know what those numbers are
when we make a decision.

720
00:50:55,040 --> 00:51:01,600
I mean we
We're we're talking We're talking

721
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:07,840
$100,000 more for me or for more for
Dagleman, and average probably quadruple

722
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:10,960
that, and he's a major consumer.
Uh

723
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:14,360
I think we need to have a a consensus of
what the the dollars and cents are here

724
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:18,200
because this is
This is a huge amount of money that

725
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:21,120
we're we're talking about here.
>> So, right now, Kyle, we're losing money

726
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,080
on here.
>> Could be, I don't know that. I I haven't

727
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:28,480
had three commissioners say the same
answer twice.

728
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,480
» Right now, we're losing money.

729
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:34,280
Because we've held off the rate this
long.

730
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,280
» Could be.

731
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:41,480
» It's not a could be, it is.
We are spending more for our electricity

732
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:44,600
than we're taking in right now.
>> Let's Let's sit down and look at some

733
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:48,840
options. That's all I'm asking, and then
let's get a consensus of what we're

734
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:52,360
actually costing.
We're sitting here on public floor right

735
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,960
now and we don't we don't have the two
people

736
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:59,000
two people talking right now that have
the same answer.

737
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:03,080
» But it's not us
that are experts in this. That's what we

738
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,320
hired Missouri River to
to do for us.

739
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,960
» Yep.
>> And that's what they're telling us it's

740
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:13,200
costing us.
>> That's what they're charging you, yes.

741
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:17,400
» No, that's what they're telling us it's
costing us to

742
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,800
make
the electrical

743
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,520
system
with an upgrade

744
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:28,720
work
for the next 30, 40, 50, 60 years.

745
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:35,160
» I guess I guess I'll hop in here.
Um, do you want to take the podium?

746
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:35,160
» Sure. Yep.

747
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,720
» Um, thank you for your time today. Thank
you for voting at the polls today. It's

748
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,480
beautiful.
Um, sorry about the dig on that though.

749
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,160
Um,
to Kyle's point, like it it is quite a

750
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:54,360
bit of
money, obviously. Um,

751
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:59,720
if we got a concession through 2028 and
we reevaluated 2027 and Anker can help

752
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:02,920
with the USDA loan progress and working
with Abby, too. Um,

753
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:06,200
we're more than willing to help try to
get some additional funding or grants or

754
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:11,880
forgivable loans or whatever we can do
to help as well. Um, to Kyle's point,

755
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:17,840
we are very deeply rooted in Hillsboro.
We want to see this city do well. Um,

756
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:22,960
you know, we're we're here we're here
together. Um, if I got a concession

757
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:28,400
through 28 without a rate adjustment, I
would be okay with that because it's and

758
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:32,320
I it's about 20,000 bucks. I know what I
need to pay and re-budget at this time

759
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:36,560
of year and I'm doing my RFPs for next
coming 12 months. Like I'm okay with

760
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:40,080
that. I can't I can't keep kicking this
down the road here. You're regretting it

761
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:44,000
like I know the city needs the money
because I look around. We've got E2SH

762
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,760
here saying
I don't know how many millions of

763
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:52,520
dollars to go back through Hillsborough.
I guess a concession I would ask

764
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:57,360
Yes, I will not I'll pay more for my
power today, but when we look at doing

765
00:53:55,560 --> 00:54:02,120
residential and
residential improvements in the coming

766
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:07,280
12, 24, 36 months, how does Anchor
Ingredients not pick up the special

767
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:10,960
funds and fees and taxes
to redo the sewer pipes? We're not a big

768
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:14,160
water user at all. We use less than any
residential household.

769
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:19,520
Uh we're not a big garbage user, we
don't pay a whole pile of trash. Um we

770
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:23,760
run some trucks through through town.
Our truck traffic will be going down

771
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:28,080
inherently in the next 12 24 months. So
it's like yes, I'm I'm on board. Like if

772
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:33,560
we want to do this
Levi, I would love to lock in a rate

773
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:36,520
12 months, 18 months review for the
certain 2020. That'd be awesome.

774
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:40,920
Hopefully in the meantime anything can
help with the USDA grants. I'll

775
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:45,520
I'll do whatever it takes to help in
this situation.

776
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:50,120
My concession would be when the city has
to do a $5 million residential water and

777
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:56,440
sewer
improvement pave the city streets, redo

778
00:54:54,360 --> 00:55:00,120
whatever it may be in the housing part
of town, I don't want that as an

779
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:03,680
industrial user.
I don't want to

780
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:07,440
be added specials, more taxes, more
property taxes. I'll pay more for power.

781
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:11,200
I'm a huge user. I'll be the first to
admit it. I will pay my fair share of

782
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:14,640
the air and help improve the
infrastructure. I don't think I should

783
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:20,120
have to redo
city streets, sidewalks

784
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:24,280
pipes, water, sewage. I don't think
that's applicable to me. For the power

785
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:27,720
upgrade, 100% I'm on board. Lock in a
rate, that'd be great.

786
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:32,280
When it comes to the next 5 years, the
next 5 million, 10 million to get the

787
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:36,360
city where it needs to be, I don't want
to keep going through this process as

788
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:41,400
the biggest person in Hillsborough.
Yes, I pay the most taxes, employ the

789
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:44,760
most people, I use most energy. I don't
use the most water. Half of my spaces

790
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:48,200
don't even have a bathroom. They got
porta-potties that we're we're

791
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:53,760
utilizing. I don't want to be looked at
the same. So, if that would be my ask to

792
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:57,760
put that on paper for future goals and
residential city improvements.

793
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:03,200
That's all I have. So, that's my stance.
Like we got to be able to lock in a

794
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:07,200
price and that'd be great. I mean, I
would just I need to know. I I

795
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:11,280
I'm in budgeting. I'm in budgeting. I'm
in sales. We're locking into our next 12

796
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:14,760
months of sales. Like,
this can't keep going forward cuz

797
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:19,240
I have no idea where we're going to end
up 12 months from now. So,

798
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:24,120
» Cuz your other option, if we don't do a
demand, we'd have to go to residential

799
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:27,400
rates and you're at 10 and 1/2.
>> On residential?

800
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:31,480
» To 9 and 1/2.
I think there's two different rates. I

801
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:36,360
can't remember off top of my head.
>> Um let me find my rate slides.

802
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,840
Um
hold on.

803
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:45,560
So far, it's still large commercial per
this rate study was to keep the same

804
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:50,560
energy charge. Um
uh 8 and 1/2 is what the energy charge

805
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:55,280
is for a large commercial.
Um residential

806
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:57,840
is
uh

807
00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:00,200
June through August, it's
>> That's dual heat.

808
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,280
» Oh, sorry.
Here we

809
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:06,560
» Oh, no, they're right there.
>> Yeah, yep. Dual heat's down below. Yep,

810
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:10,360
it's just under 10 and 1/2 cents. Um
June through August, September through

811
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:15,240
May, it's 9.99.
Um their rate increases started at the

812
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:18,080
beginning of the year.
>> I mean, if you wanted to share with me

813
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:21,080
the math, I could have with your
resident math tomorrow morning and get

814
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,640
your feedback.
>> The math on that, it's in at the long

815
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:29,120
run, it'll cost you more.
Is what what we've done.

816
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:31,720
» Yeah, I just
I think Paul did the math when we were

817
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,920
sitting in the other room in the
session.

818
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:36,480
» At just the two dollar two three
dollars.

819
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:43,680
» Yeah, I would I mean like I said I'm
okay with

820
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:49,520
the 2026 demand charge if we can lock
that in until the start of 2028 and go

821
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:54,280
and review that and like I said angle
whatever we can to help the city with

822
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:57,240
the USDA grant and then if we work with
Abby we've got some great people that

823
00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:01,240
work at Anchor I've done a lot of stuff
myself too so we will help contribute to

824
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:05,560
that.
I just I don't I just hope my son

825
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:08,800
probably won't be here tonight and
I don't want to I'm not home a lot so I

826
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,360
don't want to keep missing things to be
here so

827
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:17,400
Either way I would like to say before
there's a bunch of residential

828
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:21,120
improvements that need to be had. I
don't want to be the same special the

829
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:25,840
same tax
property tax the same I don't want to be

830
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:31,120
in that same group of people because I'm
not a water user I'm not a sewer user

831
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:35,840
like I don't want
to have like everyone gets 10% I don't

832
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:40,520
want 10% my 10%
20% bigger than a residential so

833
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:44,440
that would be my ask.
>> If you've been wrong JR though I don't

834
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:48,400
think we can do that can we?
We can't change the special

835
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:51,360
percentage
on a

836
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:55,000
see a lot by lot.
>> If an industrial zone versus residential

837
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:58,520
versus
>> That's based on each project. That's

838
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:03,040
different questions completely to this
cuz it's based off of it's it's meant

839
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:09,000
how much you use
how much does it benefit your property.

840
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,920
Completely different hurdles than the
electric rates.

841
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:15,920
» Yep.
So if it was we just did the total east

842
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:18,640
side of town
we couldn't

843
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:22,280
We couldn't special We couldn't special
this side.

844
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:24,520
» He would have to have some improvements
at his facility in order to get special

845
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,760
credit.
>> Correct.

846
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:31,600
» Either way I just I just that the thing
I'm great with. I totally support it. I

847
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,840
know
I understand

848
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:38,320
our system's outdated. I've lived with
it for

849
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:42,280
9 years. I I get it. I mean, probably
done this. Me and Jamie used to do it

850
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,120
weekly. We'd take the whole west side
down.

851
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:47,800
Um
I support it. I know it's a need. I know

852
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,280
there's growth development that money's
going to go

853
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:53,160
to a good place.
I don't want to be here every year,

854
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:57,040
every 3 years, every 5 years when the
city has to keep doing more and more

855
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:59,200
to maintain and house more people and
accommodate more people. Like I don't

856
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:04,240
want to keep coming back here being
asked to pay more taxes, more

857
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:08,200
water. Like I just
Yeah.

858
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,200
That's all I got.

859
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:15,520
» Well, I'd I'd be very appreciative if
you guys are able to help with any

860
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,720
I'm trying to get money for that cuz the
more money we can get, the lower we can

861
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:22,680
keep it.
>> I just need four or five days' scope and

862
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:26,480
ability of the electrical pro- project
and a link to the USDA grant.

863
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:30,200
» Abby has all that.
>> Yeah. Just so you have to put it in

864
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:34,080
contact with Abby and then I can get
this get to work on it this week, you

865
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,080
know.

866
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:45,880
» Okay. Anything else?
>> All of us year till

867
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:49,640
20 till the
>> in the next year, so

868
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:53,720
just taking this time to say we're going
to hold it till next year and we'll see.

869
01:00:54,000 --> 01:01:00,280
I don't know what that would be in your
rates. Updates this winter.

870
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:05,840
» The only rates that I would see that we
would need to do is move the residential

871
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:08,200
over in 2027.
>> And small commercial.

872
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,560
» And small commercial.
>> Mhm.

873
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:20,080
» Cuz we're seeing rate increases on WAPA
and Missouri River this year as well.

874
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:26,760
So, you could make that motion that we
hold

875
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:31,280
the 50 kW customers
at

876
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:37,000
the 2026 rate starting today until
January 1 of 2028.

877
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:42,880
» My question to you though, since you're
asking us to hold it,

878
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:46,120
you're asking us to hold off on
the demand charges.

879
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:49,080
» No, the demand charge
>> No, the demand charge is the demand.

880
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:51,960
» It's the demand charge. It's the demand
charge.

881
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:56,280
» The 2026 demand charges.
>> Yeah. All right. But you're asking us to

882
01:01:53,760 --> 01:02:00,280
hold off on You're asking us to hold off
on doing the demand charges right now

883
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,440
that they're going to be starting this
next month.

884
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,520
» Correct.
>> Correct.

885
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:09,920
» Yep.
>> But if we're if we make this motion

886
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:14,080
to hold that charge all the way through
the end of 2027,

887
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:16,800
is that
>> And then are you going to come back and

888
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:20,080
do this again?
>> I mean,

889
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:25,240
from from our seat at the table,
>> we'd be happy with either decision.

890
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:31,080
» I think a cohesive
uh train of thought from our seat at the

891
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:38,040
table is to know what we are as
a customer and what it costs you.

892
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:42,120
And as Levi asked the last meeting, what
are we willing to pay?

893
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:45,800
I don't know if I'm willing to pay more
or less than what that charge is for

894
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:50,120
2028.
I'm okay with conceding that today and

895
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,920
locking the current rate in through
2028.

896
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,840
Um
like I said before when I was at the

897
01:02:54,200 --> 01:03:00,880
podium, uh
we we'd like to definitely pay what we

898
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:04,680
cost the city as a consumer.
And we'd like to pay more than that cuz

899
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:10,400
we like nice things.
And have a a and a

900
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:13,440
defined 5-year schedule on what that
looks like.

901
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:17,040
Just so I don't have to come back here
again and don't

902
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:20,520
I don't want to
have to argue get into an emotional

903
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:23,640
event here
a lot more often than I have to. So,

904
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:28,160
that's that's where I'm looking for a
little bit more of a long-term play.

905
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:33,000
This is a as ever described is a if it's
the 2028, I would concede to that. And

906
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:36,480
yeah, I I don't know if we're leaving
money on the table or off the table

907
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:40,160
depending on which seat we're sitting in
cuz we haven't been able to

908
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:46,720
uh
off the table a little bit understand

909
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:46,720
what they might cost you specifically.

910
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:53,680
How much more are we willing to spend?
>> I appreciate that. And

911
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:56,080
we did we did discuss that question.
>> I'm sorry.

912
01:03:54,280 --> 01:04:02,000
» I said in that meeting in that meeting
we did discuss that question of how much

913
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:04,080
does it cost to supply you specifically.
Um

914
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:08,960
and
per Roy's expertise and I would say MRS

915
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:12,440
is going to say the same thing.
I don't know that that's the number that

916
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:16,960
could be
um

917
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:19,760
properly calculated accurately because
how much does it cost to supply this

918
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:23,360
station?
>> When you when you go pay them to travel

919
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:26,600
back home.
>> And I'm willing to pay for that. So, I

920
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:31,520
have the peace of mind so I can sleep at
night knowing that I paid my fair my

921
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:35,640
fair share plus put some back in the
kitty so we can have nice stuff.

922
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:39,880
» So, we got my opinion is 14-month runway
if we lock in through 2028. We try to

923
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:45,000
chase after the USDA dollars and we work
with Missouri River in the meantime. I'd

924
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:48,200
be just try to try to figure out what
Missouri River they

925
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:51,080
they give they funnel information to you
and then you funnel it to us and then we

926
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:54,280
try to work it backwards. It'd be nice
just to meet meet them. They have to

927
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:58,440
have some economic development planning
people as well to work with. So,

928
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:02,720
in the meantime I it would be it would
give us 12 months to work through a lot

929
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:06,520
of questions, I think.
And yeah, like I said like

930
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:10,400
at one point like I'm a large energy
user. I have a lot of people that live

931
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:15,800
in Hillsboro that live around Hillsboro.
I'm here to help Hillsboro. So, I I get

932
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:19,320
it. Like I I get that the need. I don't
want to keep kicking this down road cuz

933
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:23,360
the money is going to go towards a good
use next month, the extra $1,000 I paid.

934
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:28,160
So, it's
that's a great compromise to to move

935
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:32,360
move forward with talking about it. So.
>> And we're not like just spending that

936
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:37,720
money. It's meant to save to pay off the
bonds and the loans that I mean that's

937
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:41,920
ultimately what we're doing is preparing
for this. So, if we can get

938
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:46,320
on this first phase
the around 5 million and we can pull in

939
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:53,280
4.2 million and
on the US energy grant, then

940
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:59,320
we can stay back that even farther, but
until we can see those funds.

941
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:02,440
We don't know.
>> Yes, the other

942
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:06,880
Carl and I talked about this offline.
But the new water treatment plant that

943
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:12,280
is coming online that this heavy
industrial electrical upgrade is going

944
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:15,760
to help support phase one.
I mean, last I heard the dairy was on

945
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:21,360
pause.
I'm assuming that their usage is

946
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,040
booked into the calculations of paying
off.

947
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:26,360
» Correct.
>> Okay.

948
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:28,680
» That's already booked in and that was
calculated into this.

949
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:31,760
» Right.
And the other thing like you know it's a

950
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,640
it's a state funded federally funded
project.

951
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:38,400
They came to
Hillsboro or the water treatment plant

952
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:43,200
or Trail County water, whoever came to
Hillsboro and said, "Hey, we need more

953
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:48,240
water. We need more power from you."
You guys said, "Hey, we don't have the

954
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:51,440
power. We have to spend
5 million for phase one to get you the

955
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:54,680
power."
Was there ever any talk like

956
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:58,600
conversation or talk
to the dairy or to their state or

957
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:03,480
federal funding like
maybe you guys should pony up an extra

958
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:07,560
million dollars to go in on this
phase one that is

959
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:11,480
80% supporting the water treatment that
supports the new dairy farm

960
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:14,920
versus just just raise it across the
board for everyone.

961
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:18,040
» Have we asked for money? Yes.
Have we gotten money? Not yet.

962
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:22,200
Okay.
I mean, we pushed for that and basically

963
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:25,600
we went to the industrial commission and
said, "This is why we need money for

964
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,040
phase one."
>> Yep.

965
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:32,200
» Um
we've

966
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:36,120
asked others, you know, we're
East Central came to us and wanted

967
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:38,720
cheaper power. We said, "No, we can't
We're not going to give you cheaper

968
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,760
power compared to everybody else is
going to pay.

969
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,200
» Yep.
>> You're going to pay the same as

970
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:46,520
everybody else.
We're not here to

971
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:49,600
make it benefit any We're not a
for-profit business.

972
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:53,440
» Yep.
Uh okay. No, I was just curious. I know

973
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:58,240
that they're going to be a mega user
when the new industrial

974
01:07:56,040 --> 01:08:01,160
phase one comes online. So, I always
It's just been rolling around in my

975
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:04,640
head.
>> No, we've

976
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:07,880
We've been looking everywhere we can.
>> Okay.

977
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:11,240
Either way, like I said, um
if I can get you in contact with that,

978
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:14,600
yeah, it will help power that thing.
Um and thank you so much for your

979
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:18,319
patience. This has been drug out much
longer than it needed to be. So, thank

980
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,319
you.

981
01:08:18,839 --> 01:08:22,440
You got anything else for me?
>> Thank you, guys.

982
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:26,560
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

983
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,560
Anybody else?

984
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,480
» Zack Killian.

985
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:40,520
I'll make the motion to go with the the
service rates until 2028.

986
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,520
» Is there a second?

987
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:49,920
» You want to clarify that?
Large commercial.

988
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,920
» Large commercial.

989
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:54,839
» And implement the 2026 demand charge
rate.

990
01:08:53,160 --> 01:09:01,040
» The 2026 demand charge.
>> Today or this month and then

991
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:06,040
that would stay until January 1 of
or December 31st of 2027.

992
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,040
» Correct.

993
01:09:06,759 --> 01:09:12,680
» Do I have a second?
>> I'll second it.

994
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:15,720
» Seconded by John, moved by Jason. Any
other discussion?

995
01:09:13,839 --> 01:09:19,400
» I don't I don't I think we should just
go a year and come back cuz if we're

996
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,759
going to go one year cuz we're going to
be doing budgeting

997
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:26,720
and we don't know what we're going to
end up with

998
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:30,600
to service this debt.
And you know, that would give us some

999
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:34,880
time to know when we're doing our
budgeting, kind of where we're at.

1000
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:39,160
» I think it would, Paul, because we're
saying

1001
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:42,640
we're locking this in for the rest of
this year.

1002
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:45,440
I'm locking them in for next year.
And then when we come to budgeting next

1003
01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:48,720
year, that's when we're going to start
discussing

1004
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:51,080
the 2028.
>> Yeah, but don't we do budget talks in

1005
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:55,080
September?
>> That doesn't mean that we can't do it,

1006
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:59,240
but generally we don't put our rate
increase in until the first of the year.

1007
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:03,080
» Typically, that's what you guys do.

1008
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:11,600
» So, we're just basically saying next
we're putting this in now

1009
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:15,280
and we'll keep it at this rate until
next year.

1010
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:18,720
» I'm concerned that we're going to be way
under budget next year, Paul.

1011
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:21,600
» Yep.
>> I mean, that's just that But you don't

1012
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:24,440
But obviously we have a lot of variables
too. We don't know what we're going to

1013
01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:27,840
get for grants and things like that.
So, I'd rather

1014
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:31,040
» I don't think we'll be under budget cuz
we're not going to start

1015
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:35,960
When's the first payment?
>> First payment's in May.

1016
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:38,920
» In May. So, I mean, we're going to we'll
start saving for that first payment.

1017
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,880
» But you also realize we're not going to
get much off of this demand charge

1018
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,240
increase.
>> No.

1019
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:45,800
» It's not going to It's not going to
amount to much.

1020
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:50,160
» What we need to start doing is start
saving. We need to get back where we're

1021
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:53,800
in the black
every month and then start saving every

1022
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,720
month.
budgeting

1023
01:10:54,920 --> 01:11:01,520
» And the variable that wasn't talked
about is obviously the demand.

1024
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:06,400
And that's what we have a problem with.
That's where our problem is, demand.

1025
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:11,040
And you pay a lot for demand. And that's
what's that's what's losing us money.

1026
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:15,480
And if you don't push this demand charge
hard,

1027
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:18,560
where's their where's their incentive
to have work on demand?

1028
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:25,200
Because we're the whole town is paying
and the city's losing money because of

1029
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:30,120
demand charges, correct?
>> In the past, demand charges from large

1030
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:33,080
consumers have been calculated into all
rates, residential and small commercial

1031
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:36,920
included.
>> yeah, I know that. But but there are big

1032
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:40,240
all our
our big users obviously are the ones

1033
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:42,960
that contribute most of the demand.
>> Majority, yeah. Yeah.

1034
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:46,240
» So.
>> When when I say we're losing money we're

1035
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:49,240
losing money in the wint- in the summer
months when

1036
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:53,480
the demand goes up and our demand charge
is higher.

1037
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:57,360
» And that's my big That's That's the
purpose That's the To me, that's the

1038
01:11:55,160 --> 01:12:03,520
bigger purpose of demand charges
is to get demand under control.

1039
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:08,880
That's the purpose of demand charges.
Not so Yes, you you need it to obviously

1040
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:13,240
you know, help with this project, but
it's more so to me is is is demand is

1041
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:17,160
demand charges that we pay through
Missouri River

1042
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:19,840
are pretty high.
So.

1043
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:22,600
» And it's not saying, Paul, in 2028 we
could go to the 2028 rates if that's

1044
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:25,120
where we need to be.
>> Yeah, I understand that.

1045
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:28,640
» I think there's still
something there to hold them to wanting

1046
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:32,960
to get better.
>> Right.

1047
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:36,240
» Like it's I would look at it as
you know, they wanted to know in the

1048
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:41,480
next 5 years to
Okay, next year we can say to them

1049
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:45,520
here's what it's looking like, we lost
money this year

1050
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:50,520
because we went with what you suggested
and what you're asking us to do.

1051
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:53,200
You know, and
you know, I keep saying this because

1052
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:57,320
they should be involved in end, too, and
it sounds like they want to be.

1053
01:12:55,360 --> 01:13:02,040
But, you know, they
on their end, they they need to come in

1054
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:08,120
when you're trying to lay out that
5-year plan for them. Again, this is

1055
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:12,000
I don't know that we want to go 5 years,
say in 2027, because

1056
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:16,040
we don't know what's going to happen in
3 years.

1057
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:19,480
» You know, what can happen in a year?
>> But, we can give them something like,

1058
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:24,040
this is our proposal.
But, these are not locked in concrete.

1059
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:27,120
» But, I also think they need to know and
be aware when they're budgeting, they

1060
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:32,520
need to be aware that they need to
budget for the 2028

1061
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:35,160
potential demand charges. They need to
budget for that.

1062
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:41,600
» I think what we need to do is when we
come around to this time next year,

1063
01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:44,760
we need to send out letters saying,
this is what the new rates are going to

1064
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:47,320
be in 2028
for everybody.

1065
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:51,240
» I'd even say do that in June, kind of
similar to when we put that letter out.

1066
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:53,080
And they're probably going to get the
same.

1067
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,000
» Right.
>> Come on.

1068
01:13:53,400 --> 01:14:00,160
» Whenever we know we're into the budget
season, we know what we need to do is

1069
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:03,000
is when we would need to put out, these
are the new rates.

1070
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:12,520
If this would have been in February, I
wouldn't have said give them

1071
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:18,000
till 2028. But, at this point, we
haven't spent any money on our

1072
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:23,240
I mean, besides design facings, we
haven't

1073
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:23,240
bought anything yet for the project.

1074
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:31,320
» But, that's why two things is that the
the the reason for the demand and that

1075
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:34,360
they
they should be they should be made aware

1076
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:38,080
that
when they're budgeting,

1077
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:41,960
that it may or may not go up. We don't
know. So, don't don't come out in here

1078
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:44,760
and say, well, I thought we were I
thought you were in charge of saying,

1079
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:48,200
well, no, we don't know that until we
know what we got for grants.

1080
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:53,320
So, as long as it's made clear to them
that

1081
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:57,160
a plan for the 2028
budget, you know, at the very minimum of

1082
01:14:55,280 --> 01:15:00,680
2027.
And then so they're aware of that, so

1083
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:04,120
they don't come in
and say we didn't you guys didn't even

1084
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:07,960
tell us that that was potential. And I
just I'm not going to say it's going to

1085
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:11,000
happen, but I want them to be aware that
it could happen

1086
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:14,400
if we come in
short.

1087
01:15:12,440 --> 01:15:19,400
» I would go on record saying that I would
definitely be looking at that.

1088
01:15:16,440 --> 01:15:23,000
20 28 charges that they probably need to
look at.

1089
01:15:21,480 --> 01:15:27,440
Like very likely.
>> And what were those again?

1090
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:30,920
Eight 78 over the 2020 charges?
>> 995 and 845.

1091
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:36,520
» Mhm.
>> And $41 on the

1092
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,520
» There you go.

1093
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:38,880
» So

1094
01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:44,000
that's what we're going to notice that.
That's why they got to plan for that.

1095
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:47,800
So
and by saying that now, they they know

1096
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:51,840
that, hey, we got to potentially plan
for this

1097
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:54,200
coming up in 2028. Don't
I don't want them to come in and say,

1098
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,400
well,
we didn't even know that was on the

1099
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:59,920
table. We thought we were going to just
get put back in at the $2 or $3

1100
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:03,160
rate.
So

1101
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,400
you know, and I'm not like I said, I'm
not saying it's going to happen, but I

1102
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:12,320
want them
to be aware when they do their budgeting

1103
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:12,320
that that's a potential that may happen.

1104
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:17,160
» Any other discussion?

1105
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,280
John?
>> Yes.

1106
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:20,200
» Jason?
>> Yes.

1107
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:24,520
» Paul?
>> Yes.

1108
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:24,520
» And he asked for me. Motion carries.

1109
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:34,000
All right.
Uh we have a lodging tax request from

1110
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:36,040
On the Caboose for paint. Correct, JR?
>> Mhm.

1111
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:40,240
» Correct.
>> That's just an approval if you guys are

1112
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,240
okay with it.

1113
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,600
» What's the timeline on that? Do you know
what I mean? Has anybody got a timeline

1114
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:51,920
on that?
>> I thought he was supposed to have it

1115
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:55,280
painted already, but I guess not.
>> Well, he washed it, but what did he wash

1116
01:16:53,760 --> 01:17:01,360
it for if he ain't going to paint it?
You're going to have to wash it again.

1117
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:03,960
» The original timeline was
>> I was just looking at that the other

1118
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:07,280
day.
I checked on the papers going through my

1119
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:10,040
stack here.
Meeting papers.

1120
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:14,880
» Uh,
let's see here.

1121
01:17:19,480 --> 01:17:24,600
Oh, Saturday, September 12th, he's
planning on painting.

1122
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:30,400
» Saturday, September 12th, when they got
their street permits on?

1123
01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:37,120
It told me to be scuffed.
>> Yeah.

1124
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:40,920
» It was chalky. If you put paint on that
right now, it's going to fall right off.

1125
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:43,480
» See.
>> Yeah, I don't think that they understand

1126
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:47,240
what they're getting into when it comes
to painting.

1127
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:47,240
» I wanted to be there for that.

1128
01:17:47,480 --> 01:17:54,280
» He did say Thursday they're going to
start working on it.

1129
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:56,920
Wipe it down, degrease, tape, and then
scuff it.

1130
01:17:55,720 --> 01:18:00,800
Friday, they're picking up their air
compressor to use it, and then they're

1131
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:03,680
going to prime it on Friday, and then
hopefully paint.

1132
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:07,680
» I'd even go so far as to have Ben come
over and take a look at it and say, "Is

1133
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:10,360
this ready to paint?"
>> So, I know he

1134
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:17,560
So, no.
>> Because

1135
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,560
» I do bodywork for a living.

1136
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:24,080
And if the prep ain't right
>> 99% of it

1137
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:26,800
» 99% of it, yeah. And I just, you know,
that's a

1138
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:30,720
that's a centerpiece. If they're going
to use that as a draw, I don't need We

1139
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:33,720
don't need people coming in and and in 3
years the paint's falling off and it

1140
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:37,640
looks like heck and we
just invested all this in because of

1141
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:40,280
» I would suggest that you reach out to
Eric on that one.

1142
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:43,560
» So.
Do I have a motion to approve?

1143
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:49,640
» I'll make a motion to approve.
>> John makes a motion to approve. Is there

1144
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,640
a second?

1145
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,880
Bueller?

1146
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:03,880
» These would be dollars out of the
lodging taxes funds and not the city

1147
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:07,720
funds.
>> If that helps.

1148
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:11,160
This is just approval.
>> Generally we approve whatever the

1149
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:14,160
recommendation comes from the lodging
tax committee.

1150
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:18,480
» I'll second.
>> Seconded by Paul. Any other discussion?

1151
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:19,360
Jason?
>> Yes.

1152
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:20,200
» John?
>> Yes.

1153
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:24,360
» Paul?
>> Yes.

1154
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:28,880
» Any else for me? Motion carries.
Um I'm going to do C first only cuz

1155
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:32,520
that'll help with
follow into

1156
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:38,560
B.
Uh there is a demo permit for the

1157
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:42,200
property in question for complaint B,
which is on here.

1158
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:47,440
Um but that doesn't include everything
on this, but

1159
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:51,080
uh the demo permit and grant they
applied for the grant, correct?

1160
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:53,280
» I don't think so.
>> Just the permit?

1161
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:56,280
» I don't think so.
Let me double check.

1162
01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:01,440
Yeah, just the permit.
>> So technically the permit will go to

1163
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:06,240
planning and zoning, but just so you're
aware of that

1164
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:10,480
on the complaint for 314 Second Street
Southeast with uh three vehicles, two

1165
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:13,000
unlicensed on the property, a sailboat,
three trailers loaded with personal

1166
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:16,760
property,
all kinds of items making it look like a

1167
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:19,360
junkyard.
>> We don't need to do anything on the demo

1168
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:22,720
permit, then?
>> No, that will go to planning and zoning

1169
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:25,640
first.
I thought it was an application for

1170
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,000
» Yeah, no.
>> a grant, which then you guys could have

1171
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:30,920
approved and then you would have
approved.

1172
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:33,400
» They're doing it themselves, I think.
That's why they didn't That's right.

1173
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,360
» That's right, cuz they didn't
>> They couldn't put in cuz they're

1174
01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:37,920
expensive.
>> That's right.

1175
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:44,600
That's for 45 days to rate.
>> Within the next 45 days.

1176
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:51,480
» Anything you guys would like to do on
the complaint?

1177
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:59,240
» What can we do?
>> Uh the process would start with JR

1178
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:59,240
starting the clock and then

1179
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:04,840
give them time to come in and talk about
it.

1180
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:09,720
And then if they don't do that, when we
publish, then we have another

1181
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:13,160
» It's the process. I'll summarize.
>> It's the process.

1182
01:21:11,480 --> 01:21:17,360
» I move that we start the process on
that.

1183
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:20,720
» There a second?
>> I'll second it.

1184
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:23,760
» Seconded by Jason.
Any other discussion?

1185
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:29,440
Paul?
>> Yes.

1186
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:30,640
» Jason?
>> Yes.

1187
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:34,400
» John?
>> Yes.

1188
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:40,520
» And yes for me. Motion carries.
Um Public Power Week, would you guys

1189
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,520
like to do anything for that week?

1190
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:47,520
» Me and Roy visited with it a little bit
today. We'll We'll see where it goes.

1191
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:50,720
We're going to try to do something.
The way it sounds, so exactly what it'll

1192
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:54,240
be, we don't know.
Unless he's talked to you more about it.

1193
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:56,800
» No, did you see the email I sent you
guys back?

1194
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:58,200
» Okay.
>> So, we'll wait to hear something next

1195
01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:59,160
meeting.
>> Yep.

1196
01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:01,920
» Potentially.
>> If anything's happening.

1197
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:10,040
» Um and then the next
item is the wage and wage structure.

1198
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:15,160
Um
we kind of handed that out earlier.

1199
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:18,760
Said we had three applicants for public
works positions. We're in need of two

1200
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:23,120
positions
at the current time.

1201
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:28,480
Both of those that they would like to
offer to

1202
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:33,400
ask for more than
what our current starting is at. We

1203
01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:36,760
usually start at 20
and go up from there. And Chris was nice

1204
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:40,120
enough 21?
>> 21 and then

1205
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:42,280
22 after 6 months and then
>> Okay.

1206
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:54,480
Um and if I remember right, one was
closer to 30 or they're both

1207
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:57,200
» One one requested between 28 and 32.
>> Yeah.

1208
01:22:55,160 --> 01:23:00,720
» In lieu That was also in lieu of
insurance though.

1209
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:07,680
Um
they would be willing to come back to

1210
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:07,680
the table if that's not an option. So

1211
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:12,520
» Um

1212
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:20,280
I asked Casey met with all the employees
a while ago last week.

1213
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:23,480
» Yeah, Wednesday last week.
>> Wednesday and talked with them a little

1214
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:28,320
bit about different things.
Um

1215
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:28,320
they definitely didn't want the

1216
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:36,280
no insurance and somebody just gets paid
for it.

1217
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:38,600
Like into the salary or into their
Um

1218
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:46,360
the one suggestion that
Zack had brought up was a stipend so we

1219
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:52,120
could look at that. I don't think I
said or looked at, you know, could we do

1220
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:58,200
if you don't just take a single policy
$7,500

1221
01:23:54,720 --> 01:24:00,520
and if you didn't take the family plan
What is it?

1222
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:03,480
» 15,000 I think is the
>> 15,000

1223
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:10,080
And that would be a one like a stipend
over

1224
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:13,240
12 months so it'd just be added.
Divide You take that amount divided by

1225
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:16,800
12.
If you could be an option.

1226
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:24,640
Which both of those are about half of
what we pay now for

1227
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:28,360
both of them.
>> Yeah.

1228
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:35,400
» So, it would cover
taxes and all that along the lines.

1229
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:39,880
And they would see about
the honest 7,500 did it's about $5 an

1230
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:44,880
hour is what it works out to on a
40-hour work week.

1231
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:47,280
If it's a stipend.
It won't go on to that if I don't have

1232
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:50,760
overtime.
It won't go on to that. Just be

1233
01:24:49,480 --> 01:24:55,200
» That's a
>> separate line item. So, it'd be

1234
01:24:53,600 --> 01:25:00,280
you'd put in your regular 40 hours and
then it'd be 7,500

1235
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:02,880
divided by 12 and that's just a lump sum
payment.

1236
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,760
» Can you go through this?

1237
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:17,000
» Uh which one?
>> All the ones you got here.

1238
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:19,920
» Uh so, yeah, I came up with
>> I just step one What is step one, step

1239
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:21,120
two, step three? What is
>> Hold on.

1240
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:25,680
» Hold on. What is step
>> So, I tried to base um

1241
01:25:23,480 --> 01:25:29,000
kind of off of
like military {slash} GSA type pay

1242
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,760
scale.
>> Second.

1243
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:34,160
» Which one are you
>> It's It's to basically like an automatic

1244
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:39,760
progression
longevity. Um so, as long as you're if

1245
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:43,440
within the company, you're going to
get an extra pay raise each year. That's

1246
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:47,040
not guaranteed.
There's two different ways to do it. You

1247
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:50,760
can just do straight guaranteed
right across the board so every

1248
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:54,160
every 2 years there'd be an automatic
pay raise plus whatever the cost of

1249
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:58,720
living rate is, which I figured right
around 2% was kind of a

1250
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:02,000
fairish deal.
For 2% it was anywhere between 2 and 3,

1251
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:05,680
but if I was going to do the step every
other year, then it came out fine.

1252
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:08,960
Um
so, that step

1253
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:14,480
you can do it one of two ways. You can
go every year or every other year and

1254
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:18,680
get that automatic 1% pay increase or 2%
pay increase

1255
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:23,360
along with the cola raise or you
uh depending on performance. So, if

1256
01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:25,920
someone does not perform as well, um and
it's

1257
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:28,560
documented that they have not performed
very well, you don't you can hold that

1258
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:32,560
step back, and then you can make them
wait the next 2 years at that same rate.

1259
01:26:31,480 --> 01:26:38,000
You can do it two different ways that
way. So, if someone's getting paid 24,

1260
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:40,760
and they get the Cola increase of 2%,
and then um

1261
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:43,960
their
reviews weren't very well, or they're

1262
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:49,640
not learning as well on the job, then
you can just hold that 2% step back, um

1263
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:53,600
or that 1% step back, and then they they
wait till the

1264
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:58,560
fourth or sixth year, whatever, uh down
the road. I did multiple, so one

1265
01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:02,280
uh I did for the
I guess you're starting out, I did a

1266
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:05,520
step increase for the first 3 years on
some of them.

1267
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:09,360
Um so, that would be your
uh entry-level positions. So, they would

1268
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:13,880
get a 1%
um step increase each year plus the

1269
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:19,160
Cola, so that would be a 3% increase.
And then after that, it goes 2 years,

1270
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:21,560
and then at the 8-year mark, um they no
longer get the step increase. So, it's

1271
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:26,160
like a it's almost like a
performance-based. So, if you don't meet

1272
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:30,200
a certain cri- criteria at your uh
entry-level position,

1273
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:34,680
so move down to like a a skill a higher
skill uh level as an administrative

1274
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:39,120
position or deputy auditor, then you
move down to that next

1275
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:42,760
uh payroll, and then you can uh
continue with steps again

1276
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:46,280
uh along the way.
Um you would just cap out, and the only

1277
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:49,480
thing you would uh after that 8 years,
you would just receive Cola after that.

1278
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:51,960
Um you would just your cost of living
increase.

1279
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:57,480
» So, what moves you from the entry-level
position to the experienced position?

1280
01:27:56,160 --> 01:28:02,560
» Job descriptions.
>> Yeah, we'd have to create specific job

1281
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:06,880
descriptions descriptions for each one,
um depending on what you're um

1282
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:10,880
like if you had you wanted them to go to
certain schooling, you could put that in

1283
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:13,400
there. Um not, but
certain schooling for each one,

1284
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:16,720
um
>> Certifications.

1285
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:19,800
» Certifications, things like that. So, it
wouldn't be you wouldn't get a

1286
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:24,240
certification for a pay raise for each
certification. You'd have to meet all

1287
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:26,480
certifications or all schoolings in
order to move down to that next

1288
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:29,840
position.
>> Would there have to be an opening?

1289
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:32,840
» No.
It wouldn't have to be an opening

1290
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:37,040
specific. You could If you only have the
room for one administrator

1291
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:40,440
administrative position, you just have
it and then if they meet that criteria

1292
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:45,520
on the way, you can you can move them
down. And when you do move them down, so

1293
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:50,680
if they're like a step six, you don't
move them down to the step six,

1294
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:55,400
you would move them down to
right around

1295
01:28:52,560 --> 01:29:00,880
like GS pay. You would move two steps up
and then move basically down to whatever

1296
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:04,160
the closest pay was. So, if they were a
step six, which is the

1297
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:08,400
uh
maxed out, you'd find out what their

1298
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:13,320
current pay rate is and then give them
when you move down to that next uh

1299
01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:17,360
administrative position, it'd be it
whatever's equivalent up to a 3% raise,

1300
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:22,200
basically.
Within that. So, you're not going to

1301
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:27,240
drop down from 36 or 25 bucks an hour to
31 of an hour. You're going to be close.

1302
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:30,360
» if you were at 30 at step six at $30
>> Yep.

1303
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:34,480
» you would go down if you went up you
would go I guess I I look at it as a

1304
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:36,880
increase. You would You'd go to like
step three then.

1305
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:39,080
» Yep. You'd go to that step three.
>> Okay.

1306
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:47,960
» And then the three options under that
one, there's it was just different um

1307
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:50,800
different
What was it?

1308
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:54,400
The step increase was different and then
I think the cola was different. They

1309
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:58,200
They were just like three different var-
variations of the same thing.

1310
01:29:56,600 --> 01:30:01,760
So, you could just see kind of what the
cost was for each position.

1311
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:09,000
And then option four got really
uh

1312
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:12,120
They got really expensive the farther
down the road you went.

1313
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:18,240
Cuz they had
longer step increases and I they they

1314
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:21,800
stepped up a little different. So,
depending on how long someone does stay

1315
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:27,000
it can
get a little bit more costly that way.

1316
01:30:24,440 --> 01:30:33,160
And then the last option was just a Cola
increase every year with the option for

1317
01:30:30,440 --> 01:30:35,080
still doing um
uh

1318
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:38,640
» Step
>> Performance based raises.

1319
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:42,280
So, that that one didn't have any step
increases at all. That was just

1320
01:30:40,440 --> 01:30:44,760
basically a Cola increase each year and
then

1321
01:30:43,480 --> 01:30:49,320
based on
performance based raises that way your

1322
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:51,960
supervisors or however
that works.

1323
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:57,560
And that was a 2 and 1/2% Cola raise
each year for that one.

1324
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:08,720
The biggest The hardest thing was trying
to find out the

1325
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:13,760
starting starting wage.
Um based off of

1326
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:19,800
the North Dakota job description for
each position within the state.

1327
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:24,440
Um they varied from depending on your
position it was your your starting

1328
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:28,600
position was 22 to 27 dollars an hour
for admin.

1329
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:33,040
Um even if you look somewhere around
between here and Grand Forks, Fargo it

1330
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:39,080
was similar to the 20
23 to 27 an hour. So, I That's what up

1331
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:43,720
on the very far right I kind of put like
what the actual starting wage is. So,

1332
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:47,640
within each one it I
a common ground for each one I came up

1333
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:52,560
with 25 whether that's
um too much as a starting

1334
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:56,360
starting spot but that between all of
them that was kind of the common area

1335
01:31:54,400 --> 01:32:00,200
where each one of them had hit
um through all the like entry-level

1336
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:03,400
positions. And then from there I just
had to kind of use

1337
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:08,480
um
like what would a

1338
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:14,440
proper increase for someone in that next
level, and it came out to right around a

1339
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:20,520
11 to 12% raise between these positions.
To get to my next um pay bump

1340
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:24,360
for a starting role for like a
skilled administrative person or

1341
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:35,960
» Under this format, uh
how many people would go up then?

1342
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:39,920
Obviously our
our our

1343
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:42,000
laborers would go up, correct?
>> Yeah, your entry level

1344
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:48,520
» Entry level.
>> When I did look at where our most of our

1345
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:51,680
starting wages and kind of where
um

1346
01:32:49,440 --> 01:32:55,720
supervisor are at they are at or close
to where they currently where

1347
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:59,520
they currently came out on some of these
>> Okay.

1348
01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:05,120
» models, it was hard to find specifically
um but I did find starting

1349
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:09,000
starting positions um for a lot of them.
I I know there was a couple concerns

1350
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:12,840
about
um

1351
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:16,040
of some of the positions where it seemed
like it was a little less than what it

1352
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:18,800
should be, but looking in the state of
North Dakota, it's kind of hard to

1353
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:22,560
determine.
>> It's all over the board.

1354
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:24,720
» Yeah, where electrical
um

1355
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:29,000
we're within that area for what the
state of North Dakota has. If you're

1356
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:31,800
somewhere else, it might not be
be the same, so.

1357
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:38,600
And I did go look up GS scale for each
of these positions, too.

1358
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:43,640
Um we're
at 20 between that 23 and 27 for most of

1359
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:48,000
them. That's kind of about where the
starting is cuz

1360
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:52,760
the GS pay for North Dakota, um it's a
base pay and then they add 17% of it.

1361
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:58,400
They try and base it off of uh what the
national average is.

1362
01:33:54,920 --> 01:34:03,280
So, it's 17% higher than or they
increase it 17% so they can keep it

1363
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:06,320
competitive for
the coming positions.

1364
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:21,600
» And we
both know this is a lot to take in. Um

1365
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:26,960
it was Chris spent about the entire week
last week doing research and putting

1366
01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:29,400
aside a few things.
Um

1367
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:31,080
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

1368
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:35,040
Um
>> Looking at it, it just um

1369
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:41,160
as an outsider coming in, they just
didn't like progression for like some of

1370
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:44,360
your entry-level people or if
I want to say it didn't it was

1371
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:47,240
inconsistent, but it seems inconsistent
on um

1372
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:51,720
kind of
harder to keep guys that just are the

1373
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:56,520
younger guys that start out. Um
there's always places to go. There's no

1374
01:34:53,800 --> 01:35:00,480
There's not that next um
possible raise. I don't want to say it,

1375
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:03,760
but that um
there's no outlook for when the next

1376
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:06,760
raise becomes. So, it's just kind of hit
and miss and

1377
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:10,560
depending on how well
um

1378
01:35:08,440 --> 01:35:13,960
your supervisor documents on your
evaluations,

1379
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:17,200
um that can also hurt you in that way,
too, for not getting a raise. So, I

1380
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:20,600
figured uh something structured would
probably help and it would give someone

1381
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:25,800
more outlook and
um probably maybe keep people a little

1382
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:27,920
bit longer than what we have recently.
That's some of them. So.

1383
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:34,280
» Yeah.
I mean, we've had four employees resign

1384
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:39,480
over the last 2 years in public works.
It'd be nice to have a little better

1385
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:39,480
retention than that, I think.

1386
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:50,160
» My My biggest concern is, and I think I
talked to you about this, is how do you

1387
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:54,800
is is we want we obviously want to keep
good employees, but I don't want to

1388
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:57,480
reward a bad employee if they're not,
you know, so I think it's important that

1389
01:35:56,280 --> 01:36:03,040
we figure out how we're going to
evaluate these people and do a good job.

1390
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:06,760
Supervisors doing a good job of
documenting what these what they're

1391
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:11,080
doing because
you know, we can't we can't afford to

1392
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:14,400
spend 2 3 years to train somebody
and then they're gone and they're a good

1393
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:18,440
employee.
>> I think we have a good process.

1394
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:22,240
They're just not done.
>> Right.

1395
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:24,480
» Or it's done by Casey, which is not
day-to-day with everybody.

1396
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:29,000
» Right.
>> Yep. And we we had that discussion on

1397
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:33,680
Wednesday, too. So, supervisors know
that it's expected of them to fill out

1398
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:37,120
evaluations for their employees, which
is another reason why we're

1399
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:40,280
departmentalizing a little bit more.
Um

1400
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:45,440
Zach, Greg works under Zach majority of
the time. Zach would be expected to do

1401
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:52,160
Greg's eval. Same with Roy doing Brian.
Jay at full capacity would have to that

1402
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:57,280
he'd have to do. So, then I would do
evals on the supervisors and then on my

1403
01:36:55,280 --> 01:37:00,360
own employees as well.
>> Is it enough to do them just once a year

1404
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:04,560
though?
>> You know, that's a good question. Is

1405
01:37:02,480 --> 01:37:07,000
that something that you guys would like
to see more of?

1406
01:37:05,440 --> 01:37:10,440
» curious cuz if you have issues, that'd
be a good time to correct any issues or

1407
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:11,880
concerns you may have at 6 months per
say.

1408
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:15,160
» Well,
>> you're supposed to have one at the

1409
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:18,440
6-month evaluation, but then we also
expect

1410
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:22,680
if there's something that happens in the
meantime that

1411
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:27,000
Casey has a nice form that you would
fill out and that gets turned in, so

1412
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:29,440
that is part of the evaluation process
when it comes.

1413
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:33,960
» Yep. There it goes. They're supposed to
be completed. It's We We do have a

1414
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:36,720
process. It's um
It's It's like an assistance form. I

1415
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:41,560
can't remember the name of it right now,
but I'll pull it up. The form is

1416
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:47,720
intended to assist our employees in
areas that they may not be um

1417
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:51,000
excelling at. Um
you know, we we use it as a growing

1418
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:54,440
opportunity, not as a punishment
opportunity.

1419
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:58,400
Um, and it's
it's st- you know, step one of

1420
01:37:56,400 --> 01:38:03,640
documenting what are these employees
doing? Are we Are we progressing where

1421
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:07,560
we need to with areas that they may be
having troubles in?

1422
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:13,560
Um, then we come back. There's a game
plan, come back within a 4-week period,

1423
01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:17,120
whatever the supervisor feels is
appropriate.

1424
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:21,920
Um, and we reevaluate and see how
they're doing at that time. If it's

1425
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:27,120
improvement, then great. Then it's just
a just a light mark on their year-long

1426
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:32,000
record. If it's something that needs to
continue to be worked on though, then

1427
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:35,600
more documentation is had and then you
hope not to get to the point of

1428
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:39,960
termination, but if there's just no
improvement and these are vital things

1429
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:45,000
that need to be fixed, then termination
is a discussion at that time.

1430
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:48,400
» Do you guys have expectations?
Do you have Do you have

1431
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:53,800
Do you have written down expectations
that if I have a guy starting in public

1432
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:56,680
works today in your area, I expect you
in 6 months you should be able to do X,

1433
01:38:56,480 --> 01:39:00,120
Y, Z.
>> We don't have it written down though.

1434
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:04,480
» I think you should. I think it all
should be expressed to them

1435
01:39:03,480 --> 01:39:09,160
you know, when you when when you're
hired so that they know, hey, this is

1436
01:39:06,480 --> 01:39:13,080
this is where our expectations are.
And uh

1437
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:16,000
otherwise, they don't really know that
that gives them the goal to know what

1438
01:39:14,440 --> 01:39:18,240
they're what what what is expected of
me, you know?

1439
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:20,480
So,
just a thought.

1440
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:23,920
So,
I don't know how that would be

1441
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:27,280
implemented, but
>> We could change that counseling form

1442
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:32,080
completely around if you wanted to. It
doesn't have to be just negative. We can

1443
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:35,680
you can do one for the start of the
year.

1444
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:39,280
Here's where I think you should be and
we'll reevaluate in the next 6 months.

1445
01:39:37,480 --> 01:39:43,240
It doesn't doesn't have to be negative.
We can we can create it as a

1446
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:45,240
kind of an an everything, so
>> Yeah.

1447
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:48,560
» you could say, "Here's where I think
you're at right now. Here's where I'd

1448
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:54,760
like to see you 6 months from now." And
then you could follow up in 6 months and

1449
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:57,680
go through and say,
"Here's the things you've met so far.

1450
01:39:56,040 --> 01:40:01,400
Here's the next few things you can work
on." And then you do your yearly

1451
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:05,040
evaluation rather than trying to
remember what everyone what someone did

1452
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:07,520
for an entire year.
>> Speak up a little bit.

1453
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:10,880
» Well, this would give them with that
this would give them this would give

1454
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:15,320
them a scale of what if they meet these
expectations, this is what you'll be

1455
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:16,480
your pay will be increased, correct?
>> Ideally.

1456
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:18,880
» Right.
>> Ideally, one of those five options,

1457
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:21,640
yeah.
>> But you could use you wouldn't

1458
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:24,480
necessarily have to recreate this. You
could just use the evaluation form and

1459
01:40:23,480 --> 01:40:28,240
say,
>> Here's the goals, yeah.

1460
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:31,160
» Because it's listed as goals.
Of this is what we

1461
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:34,600
This is
This is your strength, this is your

1462
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:38,120
weaknesses, this is what we
what goal we want you to work on.

1463
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:45,160
» And then uh you have to make sure that
you Yeah, okay, what what is expected in

1464
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:48,680
order for you to get that? You have to
have that have to be a clear whether

1465
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:52,080
it's
whatever that might be just as long as

1466
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:56,600
that's clear that you have to meet the
you're expected to meet these goals or

1467
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:59,720
these things in order to
qualify for the next one.

1468
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:07,600
» Don't expect that by the next meeting.
>> So next week?

1469
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:11,240
» Or next week.
It's going to take time to put together.

1470
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:14,280
» I was in the meeting.
Hopefully you were involved, but

1471
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:19,400
So what was the consensus of the
employees? Did they like

1472
01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:22,480
the like step process or did they like a
performance-based

1473
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:27,360
process?
>> I think the consensus was a little bit

1474
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:31,520
of both. Um here's what they here's what
the consensus was that I recall, and you

1475
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:34,880
guys correct me if I'm wrong.
Um they'd like to see a structure. They

1476
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:41,720
want to see a plan.
Um Um, they actually, correct me if I'm

1477
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:46,640
wrong, didn't think that a uh
probationary increase wasn't a wasn't

1478
01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:52,240
necessary if there's a plan in place.
Um, right now for new employees, if you

1479
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:55,760
get through your first 6 months with
positive reviews, you get a dollar

1480
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:59,040
increase.
Not necessary.

1481
01:41:57,320 --> 01:42:04,880
Um,
yeah, just a game plan would be nice.

1482
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:07,480
Um, just to show future employees, "Hey,
here's the minimum where you'll start

1483
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:12,760
at.
Um, here's the game plan for your future

1484
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:20,240
endeavors if you do well with the city."
Um, but yeah, positive reviews were

1485
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:20,240
were seen as a beneficial thing.

1486
01:42:20,440 --> 01:42:25,680
» I think the step plan
once the goals are down, we have

1487
01:42:24,480 --> 01:42:29,200
something to shoot for.
I guess we go off of the performance.

1488
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:36,080
Less structure, you know, less steps on
where where that's out there.

1489
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:39,480
That's how I get more money. I would I
would go with that.

1490
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:42,320
That's
>> But I think you almost have to use the

1491
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:45,720
the
the evaluations to say if you're not

1492
01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:50,560
meeting these goals,
you still can't make the the next step.

1493
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:55,560
Like if
cuz that we're rewarding the bad

1494
01:42:52,040 --> 01:42:55,560
behaviors, which we don't want.

1495
01:42:57,560 --> 01:43:07,320
» I think maybe we should add
if you guys thought so, but

1496
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:12,120
maybe add more
levels, if that makes sense. Like,

1497
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:16,200
rather than I might be looking at this
wrong, but

1498
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:19,000
» Which tab you looking at?
Yeah, I'll come back to it.

1499
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:22,560
» with the military one, the first one.
>> The first one? Okay.

1500
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:27,000
» But, just like with any of them that are
doing that structure though, is maybe

1501
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:33,120
have like a
a streets level 1 2 3, and if you get

1502
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:37,360
you know, if you do different things and
you go get other trainings that benefit

1503
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:41,560
your job, you know, like maybe that
would be made maybe don't even require

1504
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:45,720
like you go get your CDL, all that moves
you up to a level two automatically.

1505
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:49,920
And that can happen throughout the year
as well. It doesn't have to be it

1506
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:52,200
necessarily at your review time.
>> What's correct me if I'm wrong? If

1507
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:54,880
» that kind of build into?
>> That's So, if you started at an entry

1508
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:56,720
» Yep.
>> and then you go to level two and then

1509
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:57,800
you go to level three. So, this is more
of a tiered step program. So, if you

1510
01:43:57,320 --> 01:43:59,280
meet certain requirements, you move
down. So, I had to set it up that way

1511
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:02,760
cuz there was there was too much on
there. So, all the entry levels I had to

1512
01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:07,200
set it up that way cuz it was too much
on there. So, all the entry levels are

1513
01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:11,480
grouped together and then all the like
the more experienced positions and then

1514
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:13,920
lead positions I have cuz another group.
So,

1515
01:44:12,440 --> 01:44:17,240
like if you had
I was thinking I was more looking at

1516
01:44:15,200 --> 01:44:21,280
more like big picture maybe down the
road if you have more employees, but

1517
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:26,800
you'd have like that lead street
supervisor, the lead water not

1518
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:31,320
supervisor, but lead water person
that they would kind of base off that

1519
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:35,200
way. So, there three steps for each
position and then three steps for

1520
01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:37,600
supervisors. I wasn't sure if I needed
three steps, but I was already going

1521
01:44:36,480 --> 01:44:41,680
with three.
So, I figured there could be different

1522
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:43,800
levels of supervisors depending on what
qualifications you have in there as

1523
01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:46,560
well. So,
>> Yeah, sure. So, yeah, you sounds like

1524
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:49,920
you probably you're saying what you're
thinking just worded it differently.

1525
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:54,600
» If you look at coal of five, I think it
you'll see it better.

1526
01:44:51,600 --> 01:45:00,280
If you look at this coal of P5, it's
more grouped together.

1527
01:44:56,800 --> 01:45:05,120
» And I think the use of job descriptions
once they're created to

1528
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:07,280
you know, kind of fit a game plan of
what you guys are kind of leaning

1529
01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:11,560
towards, that's going to help
distinguish

1530
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:14,800
where employees would fall into. Once
they hit, you know, a separate job

1531
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:19,280
description than what they're currently
at, then we look at

1532
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:22,440
a new rate.
>> So, like

1533
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:29,080
if Zach was a
in year four of waste water entry

1534
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:35,480
at 2760 and then he gets certifications
to go down, you go over two

1535
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:35,480
and so then he'd be at year

1536
01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:42,840
probably year two
of of wastewater skilled.

1537
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:48,840
And then you'd start working your way
over and if he goes to the next he goes

1538
01:45:44,200 --> 01:45:52,400
two years there and then he gets into
the next level of the lead, then you go

1539
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:57,160
down to
probably year two you go over two

1540
01:45:55,200 --> 01:46:00,760
and then down, so
we're probably at three of wastewater

1541
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:03,640
lead.
>> See I

1542
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:06,240
I'm on this thing and I don't understand
it, so

1543
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:12,160
» I will tell you the school was much
easier. We just go down every year and

1544
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:15,880
you jump over a lane.
>> Yeah, and that's that's what so military

1545
01:46:14,440 --> 01:46:20,040
you just jump straight down and then
that's where you're at.

1546
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:22,400
GS was like I kind of base them off of
both.

1547
01:46:22,480 --> 01:46:27,360
» But in reality we don't need to
necessarily decide on this tonight. What

1548
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:32,040
we do need to decide on is what we're
going to start people at because

1549
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:37,440
that's where we're getting the hiccup
right now is getting quality people to

1550
01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:41,240
come in.
>> And what's that number going to be would

1551
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:48,160
you determine?
>> Both employees

1552
01:46:43,160 --> 01:46:52,280
did say they would start at 25, no less
if

1553
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:57,480
full insurance was offered.
They're willing to work with us there.

1554
01:46:55,320 --> 01:47:01,240
Or actually I should both employees that
are favorable from the interviews.

1555
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:08,800
» I This is my personal opinion. I think
if we started at 25

1556
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:14,720
for new employees, got them in as the
base level, we plan that in and if you

1557
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:18,760
added in if they don't take insurance
and then we move our current employees

1558
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:26,040
that would be which would just be Greggy
that would be behind

1559
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:26,040
move him up to that point as well.

1560
01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:29,520
And
I mean

1561
01:47:28,240 --> 01:47:32,160
» I want you to move him to the one with
the scale I guess I want you to move him

1562
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:36,840
to that.
>> I would, but I'd also I think he's more

1563
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:41,040
of a waste water skilled labor
which would probably be at 28.

1564
01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:41,040
» Okay.

1565
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:51,960
» And then I mean I think we could it's
budgeted so if we don't use the

1566
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:56,280
insurance we save it so we could offer
that as a statement

1567
01:47:53,920 --> 01:48:00,080
if you they want it if we wanted to
which would

1568
01:47:57,760 --> 01:48:02,360
also help bring those in other employees
in.

1569
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:10,560
» How could you figure it out on that
individual was on five bucks maybe

1570
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:14,920
actually at every level they'd be making
30 if they didn't take the insurance.

1571
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:18,880
» If they yep if they just well they'd be
making 30 if they took a single

1572
01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:22,080
insurance not a family insurance.
>> Right.

1573
01:48:19,440 --> 01:48:24,320
» And they'd be making
>> They wouldn't be paying that on

1574
01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:28,280
overtime.
>> You wouldn't Yeah it

1575
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:33,720
» get the 25 it'd just be
cuz if you made it as a an actual

1576
01:48:32,120 --> 01:48:35,160
um payroll increase
>> Right.

1577
01:48:34,120 --> 01:48:37,680
» then if they decided they wanted
insurance you can't really go back and

1578
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:40,880
» Right.
That's where if it's a statement

1579
01:48:39,320 --> 01:48:45,400
» Yeah it's got to be a statement no other
way of really doing it I don't think.

1580
01:48:43,800 --> 01:48:48,320
Cuz you're right then you got things
really goofed up.

1581
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:57,520
» Um
>> Any issues doing that Jared?

1582
01:48:56,720 --> 01:49:01,000
» I'm sorry?
>> Any issues with giving a statement

1583
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:03,040
something like that is there?
>> Yeah.

1584
01:49:02,720 --> 01:49:05,440
» That's
>> That's how maybe the government would

1585
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:08,280
use a different word than statement you
know.

1586
01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:11,680
» Call it whatever you want at the end of
the day it's still the same wages so

1587
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:18,840
» It's about $7.22.
>> And they have to deal with the tax side

1588
01:49:18,120 --> 01:49:22,200
of it.
>> Right. We're not going to address any of

1589
01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:25,560
that. That's going to get a
They're going to get a

1590
01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:27,560
a 1099 for that.
>> No.

1591
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:30,520
» On the stipend, it'd be worked right
into their payroll.

1592
01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:35,120
Yep.
>> Put it in their income.

1593
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:35,120
» Yep.

1594
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:39,800
» You could make So,
>> I think that should be on them because

1595
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:43,480
if you're going to work it into their
payroll, now you're paying more on the

1596
01:49:41,480 --> 01:49:46,160
On our side, we're paying more on
on FICA.

1597
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:51,320
» So,
here's my thought behind it. Instead of

1598
01:49:48,480 --> 01:49:54,960
if making it 7,500, that covers us to
pay the cola

1599
01:49:53,000 --> 01:50:00,320
or pay all the other stuff.
Cuz it's actually costing us 12.

1600
01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:04,240
» For a single policy?
980-some bucks a month.

1601
01:50:05,160 --> 01:50:07,920
For a single.

1602
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:17,120
» So, it's costing us $11,000.
Almost 11,760

1603
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:17,120
for a single.

1604
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:27,320
» What do you call it with the 7,500
number then?

1605
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:27,320
» Cuz that stays underneath

1606
01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:31,720
what
um

1607
01:50:30,440 --> 01:50:34,920
Honestly, I went off what the school
does.

1608
01:50:33,160 --> 01:50:38,360
» Yeah. I'll I'll look it up for you. I
have a

1609
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:43,640
» pays a stipend out. Now, their rule is
is that if you don't if you take it

1610
01:50:41,480 --> 01:50:47,480
it needs to be
um

1611
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:49,920
If you take it out as cash, you have to
pay

1612
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:52,480
the taxes on it.
>> Mhm.

1613
01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:54,960
» But that's the max they pay out on
insurance is 7 grand.

1614
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:59,080
» Okay.
>> Or And so, if you go over that

1615
01:50:59,120 --> 01:51:06,240
if you take it out as an HSA or anything
else as something that's pre-tax, then

1616
01:51:03,320 --> 01:51:06,240
you don't have to pay tax.

1617
01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:14,240
This number I
It covers the 33%

1618
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:18,600
of what we would be
need to put in to cover. So,

1619
01:51:16,720 --> 01:51:22,840
» That That's my big thing is that it's
not costing us more than it is the

1620
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:26,080
the new health insurance side of it.
>> And we don't need to change this. I

1621
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:31,360
mean, this would be a one-time It sets
at 7,500 and it stays no matter what our

1622
01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:34,360
insurance costs go up unless we want to
reevaluate it.

1623
01:51:32,280 --> 01:51:34,360
» Mhm.

1624
01:51:38,720 --> 01:51:44,880
» I also just
This is

1625
01:51:41,640 --> 01:51:44,880
Excuse me, a starting point.

1626
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:53,360
Let's do the hard part first. What would
you like

1627
01:51:49,880 --> 01:51:53,360
to start new employees at?

1628
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:59,960
» If we think we can get them for 25, I
wouldn't

1629
01:51:56,240 --> 01:52:03,880
As long as the auditor can
just can do the numbers.

1630
01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:06,400
Uh
>> Is there a motion to start new employees

1631
01:52:05,440 --> 01:52:07,960
at 25?
>> I'll move.

1632
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:10,240
» Is there a second?
>> the discussion.

1633
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:14,400
I'll second that.
>> Seconded by Jason. Any other discussion?

1634
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:18,280
» Okay, so we start So, if we're going to
start the new employees at that, then

1635
01:52:15,880 --> 01:52:23,200
what do we do with the current ones?
>> That would be another separate motion.

1636
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:27,120
So, like
Chris said, everybody besides

1637
01:52:25,640 --> 01:52:28,720
The only one we have to worry about is
Greg E.

1638
01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:31,880
» Okay.
>> Everybody else fits into what this

1639
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:34,680
» I just didn't know if you wanted it in
that motion or the current

1640
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:37,600
» No, I'd like to do two separate motions
would be our best.

1641
01:52:43,880 --> 01:52:48,240
Any other discussion?
John?

1642
01:52:47,480 --> 01:52:49,360
» Yes.
>> Jason?

1643
01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:50,320
» Yes.
>> Paul?

1644
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:56,560
» Yes.
>> Yes for me. Motion carries.

1645
01:52:53,040 --> 01:53:03,360
I'd entertain a motion to move Greg E.
into the wastewater skilled

1646
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:06,960
starting position, which is 28.
Would that be okay with you?

1647
01:53:04,760 --> 01:53:09,640
» Water wastewater, correct?
Water wastewater skilled.

1648
01:53:08,160 --> 01:53:11,760
» water skilled, yeah.
>> Two.

1649
01:53:10,840 --> 01:53:17,040
» I'll second that.
>> Moved by Jason, seconded by Paul. Any

1650
01:53:14,200 --> 01:53:17,040
other discussion?

1651
01:53:17,640 --> 01:53:19,360
Paul?
>> Yes.

1652
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:20,280
» Jason?
>> Yes.

1653
01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:23,440
» John?
>> Yes.

1654
01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:27,560
» Any abstentions?
>> Um would that be applicable to city hall

1655
01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:31,240
staff, too, or no?
>> Yeah, for now.

1656
01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:37,360
So, that would be
uh we'll go separate on that as well.

1657
01:53:34,680 --> 01:53:37,360
So,

1658
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:41,480
it's Chris comparable

1659
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:48,320
in the deputy auditor position?
>> Mhm.

1660
01:53:45,480 --> 01:53:50,440
» Okay. So, we'd have to worry about Abby.
>> Well,

1661
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:54,000
Chris
or um sorry, I misinterpreted the

1662
01:53:52,040 --> 01:53:57,720
question. Um
right now,

1663
01:53:55,480 --> 01:54:03,480
he'd be
You're making 25 and 1/2 an hour?

1664
01:54:00,160 --> 01:54:07,400
Yep. And then Abby's at 23
something, 23 84, I think. There's

1665
01:54:06,480 --> 01:54:09,800
something
Yep.

1666
01:54:13,160 --> 01:54:19,040
» So, you're looking at the 25 and the 28
potentially?

1667
01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:24,480
If I'm reading that right.
>> Correct. If you moved to Chris to a

1668
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:24,480
deputy auditor two and a

1669
01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:30,760
You left Abby at the administrative
assistant.

1670
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:34,280
» That would be my request.
>> Do I have a motion to that request?

1671
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:42,040
» So, you want to move So, you need to
I'll I'll move to move Chris to the dep-

1672
01:54:39,720 --> 01:54:43,720
deputy auditor
auditor two.

1673
01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:46,320
» Two.
>> Two.

1674
01:54:44,160 --> 01:54:49,200
» Okay.
>> And Abby to

1675
01:54:47,320 --> 01:54:51,200
» would be assistant
>> admin

1676
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:53,200
» administrative assistant.
>> Mhm.

1677
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:57,560
» Not a specialist.
>> Okay.

1678
01:54:55,520 --> 01:55:02,080
» That's my motion to move uh Chris to the
deputy auditor two

1679
01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:07,000
and uh and Abby to administrative
assistant 25.

1680
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:09,960
» So second.
>> Second.

1681
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:13,480
» Seconded by
Jason, any other discussion?

1682
01:55:15,680 --> 01:55:17,720
John?
>> Yes.

1683
01:55:17,080 --> 01:55:18,600
» Jason?
>> Yes.

1684
01:55:18,240 --> 01:55:21,080
» Paul?
>> Yes.

1685
01:55:19,160 --> 01:55:24,920
» And he asked for me.
I'm clarifying this would go into effect

1686
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:28,880
this payroll or this
new payroll cycle.

1687
01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:32,120
» If that's okay with the commission,
that'd be great.

1688
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:34,840
» Based on
cuz we're starting the new people coming

1689
01:55:33,640 --> 01:55:41,520
in, I would assume we would move our
employees at

1690
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:45,040
that time, correct? I'm just clarifying.
Okay.

1691
01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:49,160
Would you like to do anything with the
>> Are we good?

1692
01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:52,000
Are you happy with that?
We can do both of those at that time if

1693
01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:55,560
you want to do that.
>> Offer it to both of them.

1694
01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:59,760
» That'd be costly.
Both of them, right?

1695
01:55:57,280 --> 01:56:04,160
» Uh that's yeah, that's what was
discussed at the special meeting was to

1696
01:56:02,240 --> 01:56:08,960
hire two.
So.

1697
01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:11,680
No motion then, but just discussion.
>> We also talked about putting out

1698
01:56:10,480 --> 01:56:14,160
with the higher
wage to see if

1699
01:56:13,240 --> 01:56:18,360
» You got more, yeah?
>> More applicants.

1700
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:18,360
» Um

1701
01:56:20,240 --> 01:56:23,440
Would you want to do that first?

1702
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:28,960
» Can I have to hire somebody in?
>> Huh?

1703
01:56:26,680 --> 01:56:33,360
» Can I have to hire somebody in?
>> Well, I'd like to hire at least one.

1704
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:36,120
» It says yeah, it it is your call.
>> I know.

1705
01:56:33,800 --> 01:56:40,120
» I know it's not.
>> Jay's going to be gone in a couple

1706
01:56:37,160 --> 01:56:40,120
weeks. I would like to have

1707
01:56:41,280 --> 01:56:44,600
Not as much as Reggie would like.

1708
01:56:44,640 --> 01:56:47,000
Um
>> And Zach.

1709
01:56:46,520 --> 01:56:48,680
» But
>> And Brian.

1710
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:51,520
» Like
do we want to do anything with the

1711
01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:56,480
statement part of it for the health
insurance that might entice?

1712
01:56:55,120 --> 01:57:01,160
» As long as it doesn't cost you guys any
more on the FICA side, I'm okay with

1713
01:56:58,400 --> 01:57:01,160
this stipend.

1714
01:57:01,200 --> 01:57:06,440
» I think we're we're bringing in people a
lot easier with this stipend.

1715
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:11,920
I think that would be
>> No, it's like you figured a

1716
01:57:09,480 --> 01:57:15,120
guess-estimation is another $5 an hour.
>> Right.

1717
01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:17,880
We're going to make great people.
There's not just people out there.

1718
01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:20,720
» So, it's 8823.
>> Yeah.

1719
01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:22,280
» And it's costing us 11,800.
>> This is a single plan.

1720
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:25,680
» Yeah.
>> So, we're we're covered.

1721
01:57:29,640 --> 01:57:34,160
Well,
we're looking at this wrong. It's

1722
01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:40,840
technically
the difference between

1723
01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:40,840
the single and the

1724
01:57:40,920 --> 01:57:45,720
family plan.
So, it'd be

1725
01:57:43,960 --> 01:57:49,320
what's the family plan cost us?
>> Uh 2377

1726
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:57,440
a month, I believe. 2377.
>> 2377.

1727
01:57:52,120 --> 01:57:57,440
Here's 12 is 28,524 minus 11,800.

1728
01:57:58,680 --> 01:58:02,080
Which is 16,724.

1729
01:58:02,200 --> 01:58:05,880
» What if I get married? Don't you think
what?

1730
01:58:05,200 --> 01:58:09,720
» Yeah.
>> So, we're still good.

1731
01:58:06,800 --> 01:58:09,720
» Only thing that

1732
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:17,880
» It's 16,
724 is the difference

1733
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:21,080
between a single plan and a family plan.
Does that make sense, Paul?

1734
01:58:18,840 --> 01:58:21,080
» Mhm.

1735
01:58:21,280 --> 01:58:24,000
» Did you say something?

1736
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:27,160
I know there's a difference.

1737
01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:45,560
» Fingers.
Helps when I have my normal keyboard.

1738
01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:56,720
» So, in comparison, a single plan, if
somebody just take a single plan,

1739
01:58:53,560 --> 01:58:56,720
it saving

1740
01:58:57,040 --> 01:59:04,880
11 or 16,724,
and we're giving back 8823.

1741
01:59:02,680 --> 01:59:09,240
If they don't take any insurance, we're
saving 28,000, we're giving them back

1742
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:12,680
17.
So, they're not getting the full amount.

1743
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:18,640
on those two.
>> What's the second column? Is that family

1744
01:59:18,120 --> 01:59:20,600
now?
>> Yep. Yep.

1745
01:59:19,080 --> 01:59:24,440
» Yeah.
>> So, if you don't have no family

1746
01:59:21,680 --> 01:59:24,440
insurance at all.

1747
01:59:24,920 --> 01:59:28,120
If their spouse had it,

1748
01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:37,000
» That's a good question.
>> Yeah.

1749
01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:39,600
» Why would you offer the family option?
>> Why did we offer the family?

1750
01:59:38,360 --> 01:59:44,760
» Yeah.
Cuz if you're hiring one person,

1751
01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:49,080
a lot of places that I
worked in the past,

1752
01:59:47,320 --> 01:59:53,920
they only pay it for the
employee and the family.

1753
01:59:51,600 --> 01:59:57,840
So, I'm just curious, cuz
>> Cuz that we offer it currently. We

1754
01:59:55,720 --> 02:00:01,560
started that
back when we started it, it only cost us

1755
01:59:59,560 --> 02:00:04,120
$15,000 a year for family health
insurance, and that was

1756
02:00:03,440 --> 02:00:07,240
» I mean,
>> And that was a big thing to bring people

1757
02:00:05,800 --> 02:00:10,600
in at that time.
>> But I'm just wondering as far as this

1758
02:00:08,680 --> 02:00:13,680
type of bills,
why

1759
02:00:11,680 --> 02:00:18,440
» If that if the
um

1760
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:22,160
family option, if that person already
has a family, would you still offer them

1761
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:26,000
the family?
So, if their spouse has the family

1762
02:00:24,040 --> 02:00:29,400
option, would you would you offer it?
>> If they want to take it.

1763
02:00:27,160 --> 02:00:33,240
» Okay, I wasn't sure.
Or if you would have if you would just

1764
02:00:30,520 --> 02:00:33,240
offer them the single.

1765
02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:37,560
» No, we've always offered
>> Okay.

1766
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:40,280
» If you need a family plan, we give a
family plan. If you need a single plan,

1767
02:00:39,240 --> 02:00:42,840
you take a single plan.
>> what he's saying though, so

1768
02:00:41,400 --> 02:00:44,880
» I know.
But if we did that, we'd have to change

1769
02:00:44,160 --> 02:00:47,040
everybody.
>> Yep.

1770
02:00:48,360 --> 02:00:52,520
Which might happen if insurance keeps
going up.

1771
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:56,280
» Yeah.

1772
02:01:11,000 --> 02:01:17,680
What do you pay it out for the both?
>> We plan for family, for any employee

1773
02:01:17,040 --> 02:01:21,920
that we hire.
>> But I mean

1774
02:01:19,560 --> 02:01:26,040
like say I'm the employee, if I need a
single, it's full, everything's paid,

1775
02:01:24,360 --> 02:01:27,080
there's none that I pay for me employee
side?

1776
02:01:26,600 --> 02:01:30,680
» Correct.
>> And same with family?

1777
02:01:28,240 --> 02:01:30,680
» Correct.

1778
02:01:33,680 --> 02:01:41,640
» And my family wasn't the 1.2 that you
what did the raise for like 2 years?

1779
02:01:40,160 --> 02:01:44,480
» That was when we first put it into
place. That was not

1780
02:01:43,200 --> 02:01:45,520
» That's still not in place, right?
>> No.

1781
02:01:45,080 --> 02:01:51,480
» No.
>> Cuz that was there was

1782
02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:56,560
it was to help mitigate
at that time a benefit that some were

1783
02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:56,560
getting and some were not.

1784
02:02:06,280 --> 02:02:09,920
» Do the current employees think that's
fair?

1785
02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:15,440
» I want to see one head nodding.

1786
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:22,800
» They don't want insurance, though.
What I'm What I'm getting is the family

1787
02:02:20,600 --> 02:02:25,880
plan is worth more than the three guys.
>> Mhm.

1788
02:02:24,720 --> 02:02:28,760
» We're going to save the people who don't
take it, I think.

1789
02:02:28,040 --> 02:02:32,880
» We are.
>> Mhm.

1790
02:02:29,200 --> 02:02:35,360
» We would benefit if they don't take it.
>> According to those numbers.

1791
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:40,600
» Yeah.
If you break it down by hour

1792
02:02:37,800 --> 02:02:44,400
you know, if a single plan
is what you guys wanted to offer, going

1793
02:02:42,240 --> 02:02:48,240
to be an extra $3.60
per hour.

1794
02:02:45,760 --> 02:02:52,000
You know, take it times your average
hours

1795
02:02:49,800 --> 02:02:55,680
uh per month. And then, the family plan
would be an extra $7.21.

1796
02:02:56,480 --> 02:03:02,440
Am I right? Or are you right?
>> When you get that number, can you share

1797
02:03:01,480 --> 02:03:05,160
it with us?
>> Yeah.

1798
02:03:02,920 --> 02:03:05,160
» Thank you.

1799
02:03:05,560 --> 02:03:08,760
Just in case somebody asks.

1800
02:03:09,480 --> 02:03:12,680
10 4
>> would be

1801
02:03:12,840 --> 02:03:18,040
» It's 7,500 divided by
>> 2,080.

1802
02:03:18,640 --> 02:03:23,520
» I guess I did 52 weeks a year.
>> Oh, okay.

1803
02:03:21,360 --> 02:03:27,840
» Divided by 40 hours.
I got you right. 60.

1804
02:03:26,640 --> 02:03:30,440
I don't know why I was thinking five.
What is

1805
02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:30,440
» That's okay.

1806
02:03:32,520 --> 02:03:42,120
Yep. So, am I right in thinking
to offer is the motion to offer position

1807
02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:48,640
» No motion. No motion needed.
>> Um but is the general consensus to offer

1808
02:03:45,880 --> 02:03:53,120
two positions or one position?
What would you guys like to do? Do I

1809
02:03:49,720 --> 02:03:57,080
need to set up more interviews or no?
>> I think I think I would.

1810
02:03:55,640 --> 02:04:01,880
Unless you're really happy with the two
people you got.

1811
02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:05,080
I mean, you got questions or not?
You never know. This is quite a boost

1812
02:04:03,600 --> 02:04:08,240
from my first
offer, correct?

1813
02:04:06,640 --> 02:04:11,720
» I'm just wondering what kind of response
we'll get with a higher wage.

1814
02:04:09,880 --> 02:04:14,960
» Yeah.
>> What are the differences in medical

1815
02:04:13,320 --> 02:04:18,000
qualifications or no?
>> They don't know.

1816
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:21,680
» That's why I'm saying, if you at least
do one, you'll know one for sure.

1817
02:04:21,960 --> 02:04:28,000
» Do you have a request of which one you'd
like to hire first?

1818
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:28,000
» I would like to talk with Casey.

1819
02:04:35,200 --> 02:04:41,240
» Do you want to hire this week or do you
want to wait until you're on vacation?

1820
02:04:39,440 --> 02:04:46,280
That's the big question I'll throw back
to you. Cuz we're taking vacation at the

1821
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:50,160
same time and I'm not doing this before
my

1822
02:04:47,560 --> 02:04:53,320
figure it out real quick.
>> I think if you want somebody hired by

1823
02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:59,480
next week,
you better

1824
02:04:55,720 --> 02:05:04,640
» Okay, so is there a motion? You're
requesting a motion to hire

1825
02:05:02,600 --> 02:05:07,280
Dustin?
Is that the consensus?

1826
02:05:06,200 --> 02:05:11,000
» Yeah, it was.
>> Okay.

1827
02:05:09,400 --> 02:05:14,240
» Before we get to that, do you want to
put this in

1828
02:05:12,480 --> 02:05:19,360
Do we want to do
the family insurance

1829
02:05:16,440 --> 02:05:19,360
as an offer?

1830
02:05:19,720 --> 02:05:25,240
» The stipend you mean or the family
insurance?

1831
02:05:21,960 --> 02:05:25,240
» The stipend is for Yeah.

1832
02:05:25,600 --> 02:05:28,600
» Yeah, I do we need a motion for that?
>> Yes.

1833
02:05:27,320 --> 02:05:31,200
» Okay.
So we can make a motion for both the

1834
02:05:30,080 --> 02:05:33,160
single and the family or do we do the
single or

1835
02:05:31,640 --> 02:05:38,480
» Single or family? So you only take a
single, you get 7,500. If you take a

1836
02:05:36,520 --> 02:05:43,720
fam- If you don't take any insurance,
you get 1,500. One time our stipend

1837
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:46,840
break off across 12 months.
>> They would have to be eligible for a

1838
02:05:45,960 --> 02:05:50,680
family.
>> They would have to be eligible for a

1839
02:05:48,120 --> 02:05:50,680
family, yeah.

1840
02:05:51,200 --> 02:05:54,880
» So the single person has to request the
family.

1841
02:05:53,120 --> 02:05:59,800
» Right.
Right.

1842
02:05:57,360 --> 02:06:02,880
Which most would be. I mean, if they're
if they're taking insurance from

1843
02:06:01,000 --> 02:06:06,040
somebody else,
they are

1844
02:06:04,480 --> 02:06:08,840
they have a spouse that is paying for
it. Unless they're paying out of their

1845
02:06:07,400 --> 02:06:12,360
pocket and I can't imagine anybody
paying out of pocket for insurance right

1846
02:06:10,160 --> 02:06:12,360
now.

1847
02:06:13,880 --> 02:06:17,200
Is that your motion, Paul?
>> Yes.

1848
02:06:15,720 --> 02:06:21,160
» Is there a second?
>> So the stipend would be 750 for a single

1849
02:06:19,440 --> 02:06:23,840
and 1,500 for a family, correct?
>> Correct.

1850
02:06:21,720 --> 02:06:26,480
» That'd be my motion then.
>> I'll second.

1851
02:06:28,200 --> 02:06:36,160
» 750 if you only take a single policy and
1,500 you don't take any policy, then

1852
02:06:33,480 --> 02:06:36,160
you're eligible.

1853
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:42,320
Moved by Paul, second by
>> 7500 and 15.

1854
02:06:40,160 --> 02:06:44,960
» Yeah, 7500.
Moved by John, or second by John.

1855
02:06:44,440 --> 02:06:50,600
» Yeah.
>> 7500

1856
02:06:47,480 --> 02:06:54,360
» No, 7500.
>> Are we talking monthly or yearly?

1857
02:06:52,360 --> 02:06:58,000
» That's yearly.
>> I'm talking monthly.

1858
02:06:56,000 --> 02:07:02,480
» Well, you're going to get more.
>> Here, you per month

1859
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:05,000
» 1250 1250
>> 7500

1860
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:12,680
» I can't see that far.
>> It'd be a stipend of 625 a month for a

1861
02:07:07,880 --> 02:07:16,160
single, and then a stipend of 1250 for a
family.

1862
02:07:13,400 --> 02:07:16,160
» Which is double.

1863
02:07:17,880 --> 02:07:20,960
Okay.
>> Yep.

1864
02:07:18,920 --> 02:07:22,000
» Any other discussion?
Jason?

1865
02:07:21,560 --> 02:07:23,080
» Yes.
>> John?

1866
02:07:22,640 --> 02:07:24,000
» Yes.
>> Paul?

1867
02:07:23,560 --> 02:07:26,720
» Yes.
>> Any nays from me?

1868
02:07:25,320 --> 02:07:30,040
Motion carries.
And the last motion for tonight,

1869
02:07:28,040 --> 02:07:34,800
hopefully,
is to hire huh?

1870
02:07:32,080 --> 02:07:38,720
» I'm motioned out.
>> To hire Dustin

1871
02:07:36,680 --> 02:07:43,680
as public works employee with those
offers, and if he doesn't take the

1872
02:07:40,480 --> 02:07:44,880
offer, we could offer it to
Colt.

1873
02:07:44,160 --> 02:07:48,760
» Mhm.
>> Who's the second?

1874
02:07:46,840 --> 02:07:53,480
Do I have a motion for that?
>> I move.

1875
02:07:50,960 --> 02:07:53,480
» Second?

1876
02:07:53,760 --> 02:07:58,840
» I'll second it.
>> Moved by Jason, second by John. Any

1877
02:07:57,240 --> 02:08:00,960
other discussion?
Paul?

1878
02:07:59,480 --> 02:08:02,640
» I better abstain from this one,
probably.

1879
02:08:01,520 --> 02:08:04,280
» You probably should.
>> Okay.

1880
02:08:03,560 --> 02:08:08,560
» Jason?
>> Yes.

1881
02:08:05,840 --> 02:08:10,440
» Yes. Any nays from me? Motion carries.
>> If it's the Dustin I'm thinking of.

1882
02:08:09,960 --> 02:08:15,240
» It is.
>> It is.

1883
02:08:12,160 --> 02:08:18,120
» They don't talk to me, so I'm just
suspecting that.

1884
02:08:20,760 --> 02:08:23,600
» Anything else?

1885
02:08:25,320 --> 02:08:30,440
Um
Pay to remind her.

1886
02:08:28,640 --> 02:08:34,800
» Pay to remind her, yes.
League of Cities conference is the 17th

1887
02:08:32,600 --> 02:08:37,880
and 18th.
Actually, it starts on

1888
02:08:36,520 --> 02:08:41,120
Wednesday.
If you want, uh,

1889
02:08:39,520 --> 02:08:44,880
if those that are signed up, and
probably if you're not even signed up,

1890
02:08:42,440 --> 02:08:47,080
if you want to go to
um,

1891
02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:50,240
» A2S's?
>> A2S's party up in Grand Forks on

1892
02:08:49,480 --> 02:08:54,040
Thursday night.
>> Yep.

1893
02:08:51,080 --> 02:08:56,440
» Just email Steve and you can get into
the

1894
02:08:55,080 --> 02:08:58,360
» Rhombus Guys.
>> We're on

1895
02:08:57,600 --> 02:09:02,920
» second floor.
>> second floor. Yep.

1896
02:09:00,160 --> 02:09:07,520
Any of you are interested.
Budgeting is or at our next meeting.

1897
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:09,400
We'll schedule that
>> Yes.

1898
02:09:07,960 --> 02:09:11,200
» for
um,

1899
02:09:10,520 --> 02:09:14,160
right away.
>> Yeah.

1900
02:09:11,960 --> 02:09:16,520
» And will we see that ahead of time so we
can peruse it, do things?

1901
02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:19,840
» Budget?
>> Yeah, has anything changed?

1902
02:09:18,040 --> 02:09:23,280
» Well, now it will.
>> Yeah, can you send that to you

1903
02:09:21,640 --> 02:09:27,800
for slow people like me trying to get
that a little bit?

1904
02:09:25,720 --> 02:09:31,760
» You might be able to see it on Sunday
after my fundraiser in Galesburg's done.

1905
02:09:30,480 --> 02:09:35,920
That fair?
>> Tuesday deadline.

1906
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:35,920
» Okay, got it.

1907
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:40,160
» Give you a week.
>> Okay, got it.

1908
02:09:38,840 --> 02:09:44,360
» Before League of Cities.
>> Uh-huh.

1909
02:09:41,440 --> 02:09:49,080
Yeah, we can do that.
>> Uh, Casey's on vacation the 22nd through

1910
02:09:47,680 --> 02:09:52,280
the 1st.
HBA trick-or-treating is the end of

1911
02:09:50,800 --> 02:09:55,560
October.
We're closed on Veterans Day the 11th,

1912
02:09:53,960 --> 02:09:59,120
we're closed.
The other holidays which are way down

1913
02:09:57,400 --> 02:10:03,400
the line, so.
Anything else for the good of the order?

1914
02:10:02,200 --> 02:10:06,560
We don't have any call tonight, so
anybody like to pick up on that?

1915
02:10:05,440 --> 02:10:11,960
» I'll do it on my name.
>> Yeah, you don't have to do this.

1916
02:10:08,920 --> 02:10:11,960
I can't, so.

1917
02:10:13,040 --> 02:10:16,880
» You're going to have to
nominate Casey to make a call or

1918
02:10:16,080 --> 02:10:20,000
something.
>> She can't.

1919
02:10:17,680 --> 02:10:23,600
» I'm not a city resident.
>> Thank you.

1920
02:10:22,240 --> 02:10:27,800
Thanks for all the work you guys put in
on this on this payroll stuff. All of

1921
02:10:26,120 --> 02:10:31,680
you.
And we had a good year. We did a lot

1922
02:10:29,480 --> 02:10:31,680
from

1923
02:10:31,720 --> 02:10:37,480
» You made it easy on us, though.
>> He probably wishes he never stopped in

1924
02:10:35,040 --> 02:10:37,480
the shop.

1925
02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:42,800
» I motion to adjourn.
>> So moved.

1926
02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:45,680
» Second.
>> Second it.

1927
02:10:43,640 --> 02:10:48,960
» All those in favor signify John. Any
other discussion? All those in favor?

1928
02:10:48,040 --> 02:10:51,800
» Aye.
>> Meeting is adjourned.

1929
02:10:57,520 --> 02:11:01,680
» Chris.
>> Chris.

1930
02:10:59,600 --> 02:11:05,600
You got to miss the car guy.
>> Uh yesterday.

1931
02:11:04,920 --> 02:11:09,960
» I knew
I knew that I knew that would be too

1932
02:11:06,920 --> 02:11:09,960
easy. It just didn't