1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:06,000 okay my watch says four o'clock i see we 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,639 have a quorum i will call a meeting 3 00:00:08,639 --> 00:00:10,559 of the city council city of hillsboro to 4 00:00:10,559 --> 00:00:12,950 order 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:14,880 first item on our agenda is approval of 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,080 minutes from our 9 21 7 00:00:17,080 --> 00:00:20,000 2021 meeting did everyone receive a copy 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,359 of the minutes 9 00:00:21,359 --> 00:00:23,359 were there any questions or corrections 10 00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:24,560 to the minutes 11 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,080 we actually did have a correction we 12 00:00:26,080 --> 00:00:28,720 spelled blake bay's name incorrectly we 13 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,960 forgot any yes so 14 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:32,079 we will 15 00:00:32,079 --> 00:00:35,210 make that change in a minute i apologize 16 00:00:35,210 --> 00:00:39,030 [Music] 17 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,670 get that thing turned off i'm sorry 18 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,719 okay so we have a correction to uh to 19 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:48,480 blake blake 20 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:49,360 or 21 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:50,239 craig 22 00:00:50,239 --> 00:00:53,520 no blake base yeah like bay bay bay 23 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,360 sorry i always want to say it wrong 24 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,520 because we forgot the es at the end so 25 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:58,879 okay 26 00:00:58,879 --> 00:00:59,600 so 27 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,440 with that uh with that correction would 28 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:02,800 somebody care to make a motion to 29 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,159 approve the minutes 30 00:01:04,159 --> 00:01:05,040 well 31 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,119 councilman mccarty moves is there a 32 00:01:07,119 --> 00:01:08,720 second second 33 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,799 councilman drake her uh 34 00:01:10,799 --> 00:01:12,720 not triggers councilman lowell in 35 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,749 seconds 36 00:01:15,759 --> 00:01:17,520 any further discussion 37 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,830 hearing none all those in favor say aye 38 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,720 those opposed motion is carried four 39 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,240 zero 40 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,000 next item is approval of vouchers 41 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000 totaling four hundred and forty thousand 42 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,079 seven hundred seventy five dollars 43 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:33,600 twenty four cents 44 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,200 did everyone receive copies of the 45 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:36,560 vouchers 46 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,240 were there any questions regarding the 47 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,240 vouchers 48 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,479 hearing none i'd accept a motion to 49 00:01:42,479 --> 00:01:47,030 approve the vouchers for payment 50 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:48,880 councilman triggers moves is there a 51 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,759 second 52 00:01:51,759 --> 00:01:53,759 councilman low in seconds 53 00:01:53,759 --> 00:01:56,079 any further discussion 54 00:01:56,079 --> 00:02:01,520 bearing none all those in favor say aye opposed 55 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:02,960 motion carries 56 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,119 or zero 57 00:02:05,119 --> 00:02:08,160 we now have a service recognition mr 58 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,280 stiles 59 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,720 yes so we had service recognition a 60 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,480 couple weeks couple meetings ago three 61 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,480 or four meetings ago and jen couldn't 62 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:17,920 attend but we definitely want to make 63 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:19,920 sure we recognize jan for all of her 64 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:20,959 service 65 00:02:20,959 --> 00:02:23,599 um and so we've got a certificate 66 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:25,040 appreciation which comes from the league 67 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,120 of municipalities and it happens at the 68 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,520 40-year mark and unfortunately we're a 69 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:30,720 little behind 70 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,959 so sorry about that it was actually 42 71 00:02:32,959 --> 00:02:35,920 years when you're retired from here so 72 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:37,440 we're playing catch up a little bit 73 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:38,640 there sir 74 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:40,959 but we're happy to have jan here today 75 00:02:40,959 --> 00:02:42,480 to receive her 76 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,120 uh recognition and 77 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,040 that is what jan is here for today 78 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,200 that's great yep jan retirement looks 79 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:50,959 good i think you're getting younger you 80 00:02:50,959 --> 00:02:52,810 know 81 00:02:52,810 --> 00:02:54,000 [Music] 82 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,160 shucking all that responsibility off and 83 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,159 then just enjoying life 84 00:02:58,159 --> 00:03:00,159 well come on over here and let's 85 00:03:00,159 --> 00:03:02,840 get you awarded here young 86 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,080 lady give you that first and then shake 87 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,949 your hand 88 00:03:10,959 --> 00:03:13,680 i got the camera 89 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,599 all right 90 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:26,789 thank you jan thank you 91 00:03:26,799 --> 00:03:28,640 some minutes for yourself 92 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:30,319 okay 93 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:36,229 she found me 94 00:03:36,239 --> 00:03:39,040 okay it looks like we have uh someone 95 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,519 from the public in attendance 96 00:03:41,519 --> 00:03:43,440 so this is the time of our meeting where 97 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,920 we allow for public comments so mr 98 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,080 styles i will give you the floor and let 99 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:49,680 you uh 100 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,560 emcee that part of this this meeting 101 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,439 okay so we've got uh one uh mr myers 102 00:03:55,439 --> 00:03:57,280 wants to make a comment he's on the zoom 103 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:58,879 meeting but i think we'll probably go 104 00:03:58,879 --> 00:04:00,959 with mr olmsted's first since you're in 105 00:04:00,959 --> 00:04:03,200 the room and 106 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,799 i don't know what normal policy is on 107 00:04:06,799 --> 00:04:08,720 speaking to you so 108 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:09,680 uh 109 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,439 but thanks for let me come 110 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:14,879 i want to speak as with regards to uh 111 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:16,959 an action you took at your month ago 112 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:17,840 meeting 113 00:04:17,840 --> 00:04:21,270 september 7th 114 00:04:21,280 --> 00:04:23,440 so i will speak to that 115 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,720 when i received my city bill last week 116 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,520 included with it in it was a letter from 117 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,040 hillsborough 118 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,800 specifically written i guess by our 119 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,720 administrator 120 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,639 explaining that the city wants to 121 00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:39,040 abandon the 122 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,280 it's called the renewable energy net 123 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:45,199 metering parallel generation rate rider 124 00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:47,680 which was presented to me when 125 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,600 a year ago i was 126 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,600 hoping to 127 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,240 construct a solar array 128 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,919 and uh and it was 129 00:04:57,919 --> 00:05:01,199 part of the basis on which i invested uh 130 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:02,960 thirty thousand dollars in building a 131 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,960 solar array 132 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,560 uh 133 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,759 went into production 134 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:11,280 months ago nine months ago something 135 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:13,039 like that 136 00:05:13,039 --> 00:05:14,560 and in the term 137 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,160 on the name of this 138 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,759 rate writer 139 00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:20,720 you use the term net metering 140 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,960 as part of the name 141 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,960 and it seemed odd to me that that i 142 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,800 would be told that the 143 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,680 net metering was not the intent 144 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,759 of the city 145 00:05:31,759 --> 00:05:33,120 especially when 146 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:34,720 it was in the name and 147 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,320 three-fourths of 148 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,400 the document was explaining how net 149 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,160 metering worked 150 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,199 and just a reminder net metering means 151 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:45,120 that 152 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,080 i can buy electricity when the sun does 153 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:49,680 not shine 154 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,520 and then when the sun does shine i can 155 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:57,360 use my solar array to repay the city for the electricity that i purchase when 156 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,080 the sun does not shine 157 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,840 along with that i pay 158 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:03,440 the same amount everybody else does for 159 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,440 the right to hook up on hook on to the 160 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:06,960 city 161 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,680 the city's power grid 162 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,600 and if i 163 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:16,000 do not produce enough electricity to 164 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,039 offset 165 00:06:17,039 --> 00:06:19,280 what i use 166 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:21,360 then i pay the same rate as everybody 167 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,600 else does for that electricity and but 168 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,000 if i produce extra 169 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,080 those months that i do that 170 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,639 i actually get paid a significantly 171 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:33,680 lower amount so that's that's a lot 172 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:34,880 shorter 173 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,680 version of what net metering is than the 174 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:42,550 four page document that we signed 175 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,639 anyway the rate rider that was presented 176 00:06:44,639 --> 00:06:46,479 to us when 177 00:06:46,479 --> 00:06:48,720 we were anticipating building 178 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,120 uh the solar array 179 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,199 has suggested to me that the city wished 180 00:06:53,199 --> 00:06:55,759 to encourage maybe the reduction in 181 00:06:55,759 --> 00:06:58,800 production of greenhouse gases 182 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,160 however it appears now that uh 183 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,800 that is not the case 184 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,160 and uh to put it in a not very 185 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,840 good way i suppose i would say that 186 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,400 it looks like 187 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,120 it is a political decision to to 188 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,599 recognize that in kansas 189 00:07:19,599 --> 00:07:21,360 recognizing 190 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,400 uh climate change for global warming is 191 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,840 kind of political suicide i realize that 192 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,000 but legally i guess it's your choice to 193 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,400 change your rate writer 194 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:35,759 even though 195 00:07:35,759 --> 00:07:37,599 the document i was given sure looked 196 00:07:37,599 --> 00:07:41,039 like a contract that we saw 197 00:07:41,039 --> 00:07:44,160 technically i guess it is not 198 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,869 but 199 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:49,759 it seems unethical to me 200 00:07:49,759 --> 00:07:52,240 to have the decision to back out of that 201 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:53,440 agreement 202 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:59,830 less than a year after it was agreed to 203 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,639 and in fact it was an agreement that 204 00:08:02,639 --> 00:08:05,039 i counted on when i invested 205 00:08:05,039 --> 00:08:07,120 in the solar array 206 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,879 so i guess i would 207 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:12,240 request that 208 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,319 maybe some adjustment was made would be 209 00:08:14,319 --> 00:08:17,430 made 210 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:18,479 the rate 211 00:08:18,479 --> 00:08:21,680 writer as it was written recognized that 212 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,720 if a lot of people did this 213 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,400 it would affect how the city's 214 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,039 electricity program would be run and it 215 00:08:29,039 --> 00:08:31,759 was written into that agreement that 216 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:33,680 you had the right to restrict it to less 217 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:36,640 than five percent of the electricity 218 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,120 that the city sells 219 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,039 but you have three 220 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:42,880 individuals 221 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,720 with this that are 222 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,880 producing electricity 223 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,200 parallel to the city 224 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,200 and that's nowhere near the five percent 225 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,360 so it makes me think 226 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,360 oh as i said that there are other 227 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:03,829 reasons for the decisions 228 00:09:03,839 --> 00:09:05,760 that's my request is that that's some 229 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,350 adjustment 230 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,760 if you want to change the policy for new 231 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:16,320 people that want to build solar arrays 232 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,200 can we who have done it and invested a 233 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,440 significant amount in that 234 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:22,959 program 235 00:09:22,959 --> 00:09:24,399 could you give us 236 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:26,080 a number of years 237 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:27,839 to at least recoup some of that 238 00:09:27,839 --> 00:09:32,150 investment 239 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,800 five six ten i don't know it's be my 240 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,440 request 241 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:42,230 is it unfair to the rest of the city 242 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:43,760 i suppose it depends how you look at 243 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,640 that if if you're trying to recoup your 244 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:47,839 investment 245 00:09:47,839 --> 00:09:49,680 in in your grid 246 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:54,000 not by sign up costs but rather by 247 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,600 i use the words overpricing your 248 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,640 electricity to cover those things 249 00:09:58,640 --> 00:09:59,519 uh 250 00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:01,120 maybe that's the part that's unfair 251 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:06,480 rather than me being able to offset my 252 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,760 electric bill by producing 253 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,560 electricity during daylight hours i in 254 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:15,030 fact 255 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,480 have purchased a car to be charged 256 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,640 by electricity 257 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:21,680 and uh 258 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:24,079 i will change it if if i have to but 259 00:10:24,079 --> 00:10:24,880 i've 260 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:26,640 programmed it after i figured out how to 261 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:27,680 do it 262 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:30,240 to only recharge the car between 11 at 263 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:31,920 night and six in the morning when 264 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:37,269 hopefully it's your lower lower use 265 00:10:37,279 --> 00:10:40,640 but if i if i can't get i benefit from 266 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,480 that or from 267 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,600 producing electricity i i 268 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,519 have to change it to recharge hopefully 269 00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:49,120 during the daytime 270 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,760 when your higher use is 271 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,600 and not being able to produce 272 00:10:53,600 --> 00:11:00,870 electricity to offset some of that so that's my request 273 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,279 have you run numbers 274 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:05,920 i mean do you have numbers that would 275 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,560 show the difference 276 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:11,910 uh 277 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,600 yeah 278 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,630 well uh 279 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,240 if i can reimburse the city with 280 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,399 electricity rather than just with 281 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:21,839 dollars 282 00:11:21,839 --> 00:11:24,399 how much would you pay me 283 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:26,800 for electricity 284 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,079 i don't think that that's not i was 285 00:11:28,079 --> 00:11:29,680 driving as much as 286 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:31,519 like if 287 00:11:31,519 --> 00:11:33,680 this policy how much did it affect the 288 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:36,000 actual dollars that you were having to 289 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,839 pay 290 00:11:37,839 --> 00:11:39,440 i have not tried to figure that out 291 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,720 specifically except that 292 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:43,839 right now 293 00:11:43,839 --> 00:11:45,440 since we've gotten the car 294 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:46,320 and 295 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,560 once we do use some of some 296 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:50,320 air conditioning 297 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,320 i'm just about to balance out my 298 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:53,680 electric use 299 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:58,079 with what i produce 300 00:11:58,079 --> 00:11:59,760 and the city has 301 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,240 installed a meter 302 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,720 that measures 303 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,560 everything coming in in a separate 304 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:08,560 greeting for everything that i produce 305 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:12,000 and goes out back into the city 306 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,160 so those those numbers are pretty close 307 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,990 right now 308 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,200 that doesn't answer your question 309 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,200 probably well i'm just i've always 310 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,600 struggled understanding exactly what the 311 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,440 differences would do 312 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,600 in the way though 313 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,279 well you know what you charge me 314 00:12:29,279 --> 00:12:31,519 probably about 13 cents 315 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:33,279 a kilowatt hour 316 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:35,680 and if you would pay me 317 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:39,600 only 4 cents per kilowatt hour 318 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:40,959 that would be 319 00:12:40,959 --> 00:12:43,839 a two-thirds difference 320 00:12:43,839 --> 00:12:46,720 now i can adjust that by 321 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,000 only using 322 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,160 most of my electricity during when the 323 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:51,519 sun shines 324 00:12:51,519 --> 00:12:53,920 so it would be less of that and i do 325 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,920 have some adjustment in that 326 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,720 but the way i'm doing it now 327 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,880 especially by charging the car at night 328 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:08,230 i think is a benefit for the city 329 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,560 but i guess my my major argument is that 330 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:12,880 i was presented 331 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:13,920 one 332 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:15,040 policy 333 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:16,800 and less than a year later we're 334 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,839 changing that which would be 335 00:13:18,839 --> 00:13:20,480 significant 336 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:26,230 to my bottom line 337 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,279 daryl when you say that i mean i if i 338 00:13:29,279 --> 00:13:30,639 understood what you were trying to get 339 00:13:30,639 --> 00:13:33,440 at is can you help us understand 340 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:34,880 when you say it's significant to your 341 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,800 bottom line i think we're just trying to 342 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,040 get our hands around you made a 343 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,800 significant investment thirty thousand 344 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,480 dollars is a pretty significant 345 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,279 investment i thought well it is in my 346 00:13:45,279 --> 00:13:46,240 opinion 347 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,240 um so you know help 348 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,000 i guess it might help us to understand 349 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,720 you know what the change in policy 350 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,600 did did to your investment financially 351 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,760 do you have any kind of a 352 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,079 an order of magnitude of what we might 353 00:14:00,079 --> 00:14:02,480 have done you know with that action in 354 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,470 terms of the negative impact to you 355 00:14:04,470 --> 00:14:05,920 [Music] 356 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,639 from a dollar's sense standpoint 357 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:10,800 like hey you did this and now it's cost 358 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,120 me x whatever that 359 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,279 number is it hasn't gone into effect i 360 00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:16,160 guess 361 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:21,279 or just has by one bill right uh not yet 362 00:14:21,279 --> 00:14:22,720 half of it yeah 363 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,839 well even maybe anticipated i mean 364 00:14:25,839 --> 00:14:27,360 do you have factor that 365 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:33,279 um so the retail price of uh energy is eleven and a half cents 366 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:34,800 a kilowatt hour 367 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,839 and then uh what we do when we 368 00:14:37,839 --> 00:14:39,279 you know it's a one-to-one on a net 369 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:40,880 metering situation it's a one-to-one 370 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,399 offset so 371 00:14:42,399 --> 00:14:44,079 eleven eleven and a half cents per 372 00:14:44,079 --> 00:14:45,279 kilowatt hour 373 00:14:45,279 --> 00:14:46,720 uh in the 374 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,399 and then anything that he goes above 375 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:52,639 what he's consuming would be um at 150 376 00:14:52,639 --> 00:14:54,240 of the cost of energy 377 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,839 uh which is 378 00:14:56,839 --> 00:14:58,880 four it depends on the month four and a 379 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,519 half five six cents just kind of depends 380 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:03,600 so i mean the difference there is the 11 381 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,839 and a half on the direct payback versus the six and 382 00:15:07,839 --> 00:15:09,360 a half which is what's in the parallel 383 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:10,880 generation so 384 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,240 you know when you talk about how much 385 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:13,920 you consume i don't know how much you 386 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:14,800 can 387 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,120 i don't know barrel but it's i guess i 388 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,959 mean we could yeah it's gonna that's 389 00:15:18,959 --> 00:15:20,720 gonna depend too but i mean it is a 390 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,320 significant darryl's got a he's got a 391 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,560 legitimate point um 392 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,800 you know it was what what was signed is 393 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,880 uh interconnection standards it's an 394 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,880 agreement we signed 395 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,040 for everybody who has a solar thing and 396 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,399 it really is about 397 00:15:34,399 --> 00:15:36,160 it's not so much about the rate it is 398 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,800 about how it's set up and how things get 399 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,560 eaten and things like that so i guess 400 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,399 where i'm confused still is like say 401 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:44,639 july where you have fairly high electric 402 00:15:44,639 --> 00:15:46,639 but you also have fairly high sun 403 00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:48,160 if he is 404 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,399 using the same amount he's generating in 405 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:51,839 that 406 00:15:51,839 --> 00:15:54,480 joy the way he described that would it 407 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,320 be 408 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,000 washing out pretty much watching well 409 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:58,959 actually 410 00:15:58,959 --> 00:16:00,320 with daryl's system he's got a pretty 411 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,279 big one um and so we've we've paid him 412 00:16:03,279 --> 00:16:04,959 for some of that energy 413 00:16:04,959 --> 00:16:06,720 he's done because it's been bright so 414 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,800 that's what that lesson is quite a 415 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,160 that's where you see it yeah that's 416 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,160 where you would see it you'd wash out 417 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,639 these zero essentially on your bill but 418 00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:16,079 you would get less 419 00:16:16,079 --> 00:16:20,240 money returning back yeah that's kind of how 420 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,560 the change ends up being but um 421 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:30,639 yeah i mean that that's in essence correct um 422 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:32,399 so yeah i mean 423 00:16:32,399 --> 00:16:34,320 daryl's got a perfectly legitimate point 424 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,279 you know we did change it on them so 425 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:38,720 and i don't think you know just from an 426 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,480 intense standpoint that the intent was 427 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,040 to bait and switch anyone daryl i mean 428 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:44,880 you know it's sometimes you know you 429 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:46,560 make decisions and things 430 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,800 happen that are unintended you know as 431 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,079 well so uh there's that but there's also 432 00:16:52,079 --> 00:16:53,040 some 433 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,440 with some direction relative to state 434 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,839 law and where the state was going with 435 00:16:57,839 --> 00:16:58,639 this 436 00:16:58,639 --> 00:17:00,560 you know so 437 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,959 if we were to take some action you know 438 00:17:02,959 --> 00:17:05,520 that that would satisfy 439 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,000 uh daryl and the other two people that 440 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,039 have you know by going back to the 441 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:12,880 original agreement for some period of 442 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,839 time are we going to put them or the 443 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:19,280 city in in conflict with state law 444 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,679 to anybody's knowledge no i you know the 445 00:17:21,679 --> 00:17:24,319 state laws is less generous than the 446 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:26,880 policy that you would be referring to 447 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,880 and so you'd be grandfathering them in 448 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,039 for five whatever many years you wanted 449 00:17:31,039 --> 00:17:33,760 to choose um from our perspective it's 450 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,280 just you know we have to configure the same 451 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,200 but we have to figure the solar pills by 452 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,679 hand anyway every year and so i don't 453 00:17:41,679 --> 00:17:45,760 think you'd be in any 454 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,320 legal issue now 455 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,960 so i think legally the state 456 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,520 requires you to do a certain amount 457 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,360 and 458 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:57,919 if you want but net metering is also 459 00:17:57,919 --> 00:18:01,120 used by other places and that is 460 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:03,280 the state does not require that 461 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,760 but it does require to you to 462 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,160 reimburse me a certain amount for 100 463 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:09,760 right and i think that's 464 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,600 yeah there's a baseline we're going back 465 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:12,400 yeah 466 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,160 that's 467 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:15,600 yeah got it 468 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,120 okay 469 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:19,200 you know if if the council wanted to do 470 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:20,720 some kind of grandfathering thing i 471 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,799 think you'd be you'd be well within your 472 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:24,480 ability to do that it would just be a 473 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,080 matter of 474 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,400 how long and how what you want us to do 475 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:29,760 with it so i don't think i'd be 476 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,760 comfortable doing anything today i think 477 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,919 i guess i'd ask would you look into that 478 00:18:33,919 --> 00:18:36,480 yeah you know yeah yeah i mean i i was 479 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,640 going to ask of what what would the 480 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,760 nature of the action look like i mean is 481 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:47,280 it is it a uh is it an ordinance is it be an ordinance 482 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,840 for these three customers specifically 483 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,280 is that correct 484 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,120 kimberlyn's nodding her head 485 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:55,679 okay yeah yeah 486 00:18:55,679 --> 00:18:57,440 well i think 487 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,000 if i could ask the council i think it's 488 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,400 is the council uh comfortable giving 489 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,480 that direction to our city administrator 490 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:05,679 to come up 491 00:19:05,679 --> 00:19:08,320 with a proposal to address 492 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,840 mr olmsted's issues and and come back to 493 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,080 the council with a with some type of 494 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,080 recommended ordinance to it 495 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,080 to address that 496 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,240 well i don't have a problem with it he 497 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,559 put in quite a big solar panel system 498 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:23,760 every 499 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:24,799 and then 500 00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:26,559 i saw that he 501 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:28,799 brought that car i saw his cory box so 502 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:31,039 he intended to 503 00:19:31,039 --> 00:19:32,799 do the right thing so i think we should 504 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:37,120 do the right thing too yeah 505 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:39,120 he came he he did this under an 506 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:40,880 understanding that would be 507 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,320 a certain way and it didn't turn out 508 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,760 that way and i think some kind of grandfather in 509 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,679 clause would be very 510 00:19:47,679 --> 00:19:50,240 appropriate here yeah 511 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,120 i would say also the policy i was 512 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:56,640 originally given said that a residential 513 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,360 array could not be more than 25 514 00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:00,960 kw 515 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,200 and and my 516 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,240 array is 10. 517 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,039 the label says 12 but it's it's 518 00:20:09,039 --> 00:20:11,520 toned down to 10 maximum 519 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,520 so i'm only at 40 520 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,120 even though it seems like a big system 521 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:17,600 that's 40 of what your original policy 522 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,480 sure would have allowed so 523 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,080 i have another question i mean we've 524 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,520 bantered about 525 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,120 several uh 526 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:29,679 years of term and i guess i'd like to hear 527 00:20:29,679 --> 00:20:31,600 from you daryl i mean three three 528 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,520 different possible 529 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,600 scenarios were were thrown out there in 530 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,760 terms of how long this grandfathering 531 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:38,799 should be 532 00:20:38,799 --> 00:20:40,799 so i guess if we're going to look at it 533 00:20:40,799 --> 00:20:42,880 i want to hear from you what would you 534 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,120 if you're asking what are you asking for 535 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:46,960 i guess i'm asking for 10 which is 536 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,840 theoretically with just about pay for my 537 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,270 system but 538 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,360 i can somewhat understand if you want to 539 00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:58,080 go somewhat less than that but i can 540 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,120 just complain if you don't 541 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:05,190 i probably will yeah well 542 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,320 let me ask you this if if we if we if it 543 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:09,520 was 10 544 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,280 would you feel like you were hurt and 545 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,039 you were in the in your issue was 546 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:14,159 addressed 547 00:21:14,159 --> 00:21:15,520 uh 548 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,440 that compared to the the way the letter 549 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,840 implied that it was happening right now 550 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:22,640 uh 551 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,520 i feel i was greatly heard yes okay 552 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:26,880 all right thanks 553 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,240 i appreciate you bringing it to our 554 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,159 intention because thank you i guarantee 555 00:21:30,159 --> 00:21:32,240 you it wasn't the intent of anybody 556 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,559 sitting around this table to 557 00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:36,480 stick it to anybody that that you know 558 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,320 went out and made that kind of an 559 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,240 investment so yeah i think i think my 560 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,320 assumption was largely that most people 561 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,480 would be zeroing not 562 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,320 seeing the net 563 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:52,320 pay anyway right at this point with like a tens like a 10 system like you're 564 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,950 talking about 565 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,640 so i may be still a misconception of 566 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,480 that but 567 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,159 we could please invade it 568 00:22:00,159 --> 00:22:01,919 right yeah if it even 569 00:22:01,919 --> 00:22:03,039 i mean 570 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:04,720 even though there's three there might 571 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,159 only be he might be the only one that 572 00:22:06,159 --> 00:22:07,360 matters 573 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:08,159 well 574 00:22:08,159 --> 00:22:09,520 daryl's is certainly the most 575 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,520 significant right and if it's not as 576 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,039 significant it wouldn't seem like it 577 00:22:13,039 --> 00:22:13,919 would 578 00:22:13,919 --> 00:22:16,400 matter i mean like if you don't get 579 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,640 above that zero it doesn't it doesn't 580 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,039 kick in right right 581 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:24,400 well no it kicks in right away 582 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,960 anytime the meter says 583 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,799 that i purchased 584 00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:32,240 electricity from from the city 585 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,360 if i 586 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:35,280 even those if they can't balance a 587 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,080 certain amount of that off 588 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,000 with electricity they produced they 589 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,750 would be paying 590 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,919 more for each of those than if 591 00:22:45,919 --> 00:22:48,480 and if they could balance them off 592 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,039 i'm not making any sense 593 00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:52,720 well i think again my understanding 594 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,400 would be that if you 595 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:55,760 were balanced 596 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,000 every month it would be zero 597 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,760 well yeah you still have to pay the base 598 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,919 charge the base charge but the charge 599 00:23:01,919 --> 00:23:02,880 election 600 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,159 will be zero 601 00:23:04,159 --> 00:23:06,240 but it's the consumption part i just 602 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,679 looked on my bills 603 00:23:07,679 --> 00:23:09,280 and like i said i can adjust that 604 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,720 somewhat depending on how i use 605 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,159 electricity 606 00:23:12,159 --> 00:23:14,000 but i've been 607 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,080 basically buying a thousand kilowatt 608 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,440 hours a month 609 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,600 and producing or selling that i produce 610 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,039 more than that because part of what i 611 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:25,510 produced during the day i'm using 612 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,039 somebody with a smaller system if they 613 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:31,600 purchase a thousand from the city and 614 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,480 only produce 200 615 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,400 that would 616 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:37,200 the 617 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,120 current policy or the previous policy 618 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:42,480 would allow them to subtract 200 off 619 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,440 of that a thousand that they purchased 620 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:46,720 from the city 621 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,039 but if we change it to the new policy 622 00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:50,720 they would only get 623 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,720 they get credited back because it's not 624 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,520 a subtraction they like a third 625 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,240 yeah 150 626 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,190 [Music] 627 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,480 anyway they 628 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,559 those were investments also even though 629 00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:06,720 they were absolutely fine well i really 630 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,799 prefer not to have you do anything that 631 00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:10,960 uh that goes against what you'd already 632 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,720 planned which is to use 633 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,960 to produce and use power in a smart way 634 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:15,679 and 635 00:24:15,679 --> 00:24:18,320 i just assume not uh not have to have 636 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,360 you go another way you know and then i'd 637 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:24,159 rather address the issue and i just want 638 00:24:24,159 --> 00:24:26,000 to make sure that when we take it up 639 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,279 that 640 00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:28,720 to me it doesn't do a lot of good to 641 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,520 come back to you and try to see how low 642 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:42,149 we can go 643 00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:43,600 together let's just put it together 644 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,200 right the first time 645 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,400 i appreciate that so 646 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,159 again i appreciate you coming in here 647 00:24:50,159 --> 00:24:54,159 and explaining it to us and again i'm sorry that you know that wasn't the 648 00:24:54,159 --> 00:24:56,000 intent i don't want you to feel like it 649 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,760 was and uh 650 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,440 and appreciate your making that 651 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:00,960 investment because it's not only an 652 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,640 investment for you but ultimately it's 653 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,799 an investment in the community so we 654 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:05,840 appreciate it 655 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:06,710 yeah 656 00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:08,559 [Music] 657 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:10,880 any other comments or questions on this 658 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:11,919 topic 659 00:25:11,919 --> 00:25:14,710 i'm glad it came in yeah me too 660 00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:19,909 [Music] 661 00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:20,840 thank you daryl 662 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:21,919 [Music] 663 00:25:21,919 --> 00:25:24,240 no i love to stay now you can stay as 664 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,559 long as you want 665 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:28,480 and you can come back any time you want 666 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,720 you don't have to have an issue either 667 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:36,149 you're welcome to join us 668 00:25:36,159 --> 00:25:39,520 okay mr styles you have another yeah mr 669 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,919 meyer wants to make a comment so i ask 670 00:25:41,919 --> 00:25:43,279 you to 671 00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:45,360 unmute 672 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:47,600 yeah i i feel like i'm back in my 673 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,360 teaching days from last year because 674 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:50,720 this is this is where i taught my 675 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,120 classes this this computer and this 676 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:55,760 headset uh first of all i'm sorry that 677 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,760 jan i think left looking at that because 678 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,840 we worked with her for many many years 679 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,600 and wanted to congratulate her on that 680 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,520 as well and i want to start off just by 681 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,919 apologizing that i really wish i would 682 00:26:05,919 --> 00:26:07,440 have been there a couple of weeks ago to 683 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,679 talk about this at the time 684 00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:11,039 so that we could 685 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:12,400 so that i wouldn't have to come to you 686 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,039 today with and request that you rescind 687 00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:17,279 something you've already passed 688 00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:19,039 but i'm talking about charter ordinance 689 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:21,120 22 and i appreciate those who've taken 690 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,520 the time to read my very long note about 691 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,840 it but just to hit a few highlights i 692 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,600 think any problems that were mentioned 693 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,000 last week we can we can address we can 694 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,919 deal with things we're still putting out 695 00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:34,320 the paper right now and and we can 696 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,320 accommodate truly urgent things that the 697 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,200 council might pass on even on a 698 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,760 even a later tuesday night meeting we've 699 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,840 done it we we can figure out how to do 700 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,000 that we talked a little bit about rates 701 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,919 and how the in traits aren't there but 702 00:26:47,919 --> 00:26:50,480 the real concern that i have is 703 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,640 there's a purpose for publishing notices 704 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,520 and it's not just to you know 705 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:56,559 uh 706 00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:58,799 tend to some legal mumbo jumbo of 707 00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:01,440 dotting eyes and crossing t's it's to 708 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,000 inform people and the first primary 709 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,159 thing is although there are people out 710 00:27:06,159 --> 00:27:08,640 there like my 96 year old mother who 711 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,480 sits on the internet all the time and 712 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,799 uses their computer the census bureau 713 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:14,480 tells us that between one-third and 714 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,080 three-eighths of the people in marion 715 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,320 county don't have access to the internet 716 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,240 by choice it's not that they don't have 717 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,240 broadband or something else this didn't 718 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,600 want to have a computer they don't they 719 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,039 don't see that it's important so we're 720 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:26,559 right there 721 00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:29,120 disconnecting anybody by going to a to 722 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:32,159 an online publishing format we also 723 00:27:32,159 --> 00:27:33,679 disconnect one of the really most 724 00:27:33,679 --> 00:27:35,440 important things which is people 725 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,840 discovering things you know yes it's 726 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,399 there if you know to go look for it on a 727 00:27:40,399 --> 00:27:43,600 website and can find it on the website 728 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,640 but the idea of publications by putting 729 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,240 them in newspapers particularly 730 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,159 subscription-based newspapers which is 731 00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:51,679 what the state law 732 00:27:51,679 --> 00:27:54,880 specifies uh is that people will stumble 733 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,159 across them while they're doing other 734 00:27:56,159 --> 00:27:57,520 things if you buy a paper you're 735 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,120 probably going to read it otherwise you 736 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:00,640 wouldn't buy it 737 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,080 and if you read it you're going to run 738 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,840 across these different notices that 739 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,320 we've had those are i think the main 740 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,320 points around this the others kind of 741 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,720 get into legalities yes it's been done 742 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,799 other places has it ever been challenged 743 00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:14,480 in court no 744 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,679 will it be if this continues yes uh and 745 00:28:17,679 --> 00:28:19,360 i don't say that as a threat it's just 746 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:21,440 that this is an important issue 747 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,159 that we feel strongly about it's not a 748 00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:27,520 huge dollar amount uh it's much less 749 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,600 than than the previous speaker has 750 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,080 invested in his electrical system about 751 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:40,480 a sixth what he is for for an annual fee it's also more secure we it's allowing something to be published 752 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,720 in a in a separate venue by a separate 753 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,720 place i can go back 754 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,279 you know 105 years ago this was 755 00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:49,200 published here it is this is exactly the 756 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,279 way the council gave it to to the 757 00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:53,279 newspaper to be published nobody's been 758 00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:57,029 able to change it during that time 759 00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:59,360 a good friend of mine at the university 760 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,559 of illinois 761 00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:02,640 uh who is uh 762 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,880 i'm getting an internet is unstable 763 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,720 message which means i might have freaked 764 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,279 out a little bit on you um 765 00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:10,559 sorry about that but a good friend of 766 00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:12,559 mine is a medieval historian 767 00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:14,640 and she points out that the best records 768 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,399 that we have for medieval times are all 769 00:29:16,399 --> 00:29:18,240 the printed documents and she doesn't 770 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,399 like the internet she doesn't like the 771 00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:22,320 other things going on because as she 772 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,559 points out you know okay go read your 773 00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:26,880 floppy disk that you'd saved every all 774 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,600 your pictures on or how about your zip 775 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,360 drive or 776 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,120 some other things of that nature there's 777 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,720 also vulnerability there's 778 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,120 accountability there's a range of issues 779 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,240 that i think 780 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,720 rise up to the point in addition to the 781 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,200 fact that there's a lot of legality 782 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,919 about areas of state law that mention 783 00:29:45,919 --> 00:29:48,080 newspapers that clearly distinguish 784 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,880 between newspapers and websites that the 785 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,720 technique of just trying to override 786 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,559 that by saying that a website is a 787 00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:56,159 newspaper 788 00:29:56,159 --> 00:29:59,919 is challengeable the home rule aspect of 789 00:29:59,919 --> 00:30:01,840 it is challengeable there's just a 790 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,600 variety of things out there i don't want 791 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:09,039 to get this into a big long fight over trifling amounts of money that that 792 00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:10,960 we'd end up all spending more money 793 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,880 challenging than than we'd ever make 794 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:13,760 back 795 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,120 uh and i certainly don't want to go to 796 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,720 produce an election which also would 797 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,200 cost more money to do it i'm here just 798 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,760 to urge you to consider rescinding 799 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,760 charter ordinance 22 and to answer any 800 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,279 questions that you might have about it 801 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:28,960 and to thank you for 802 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,880 reading my very very long 803 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,720 thing and realize that that's what you 804 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,480 get when you have a retired college 805 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,080 professor writing for you he likes to 806 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,000 write long so 807 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,919 any questions anyone might have i'd be 808 00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:44,149 happy to answer them 809 00:30:44,159 --> 00:30:52,230 any questions for mr meyer 810 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,320 i guess we don't have any questions eric 811 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,039 and we appreciate you uh coming in and 812 00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:00,480 sharing with us and uh 813 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,600 we'll uh we'll take it under advisement 814 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,919 well i my the only thing i would add is 815 00:31:05,919 --> 00:31:08,000 that just because something hasn't been 816 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,399 challenged legally doesn't make it legal 817 00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:12,960 i i drove over to 818 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,960 pueblo viejo the other night and picked 819 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,279 up some food and and noticed as i was 820 00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,600 passing grace church that i hadn't put 821 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,519 my seatbelt on that doesn't mean it's 822 00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:23,200 legal to not wear seat belts it just 823 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,880 means i hadn't done it and i hadn't 824 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,559 gotten caught 825 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:28,240 john hubert i think was on duty that 826 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,840 time hadn't pulled me over if he had i 827 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,919 would have been guilty of it i got away 828 00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:33,440 with it some people are getting away 829 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:38,480 with some things right now uh and it's aggressive it's an aggressive way 830 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,480 to save a little bit of money and 831 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,840 in the process hurt a local business 832 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,480 uh and 833 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,320 i don't know that that's something that 834 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,039 i would encourage you to do so i would 835 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,120 encourage everyone to think about this 836 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,159 and ponder whether whether you want to 837 00:31:56,159 --> 00:31:58,159 re reconsider the 838 00:31:58,159 --> 00:32:02,080 charter ordinance 22 uh or we will you 839 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,919 know let the chips fall where they may 840 00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:06,159 and we will end up being there it would 841 00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:07,760 i will just point out 842 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,919 the earliest you could save anything on 843 00:32:09,919 --> 00:32:12,480 would be july 1st of this coming summer 844 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,399 because 845 00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:16,000 official newspapers are required to 846 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,559 register on july 1st and you didn't 847 00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:21,120 register your website so 848 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,960 it would be a long time coming even 849 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,679 before this would happen so appreciate 850 00:32:25,679 --> 00:32:27,440 your time and if anyone has any 851 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,919 questions uh or other things please let 852 00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:32,480 me know we stand ready to to serve at 853 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,840 any time we can 854 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,399 okay thank you very much 855 00:32:36,399 --> 00:32:37,279 uh 856 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:40,080 now moving on in the agenda we have uh 857 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,279 fire department annual report mr chief 858 00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,840 stephanie 859 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,320 yeah here council members there's 860 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,159 not a whole lot to report not nearly as 861 00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:51,679 exciting as last year when we got all 862 00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:53,039 those grants 863 00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:55,200 with the exception of our membership our 864 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,679 membership is up we've got uh one new 865 00:32:57,679 --> 00:33:00,720 member uh nathan shaffer he's uh 866 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,760 official he's meeting me here tonight to 867 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,559 get his gear and his radio and he'll be 868 00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:09,120 answering calls after tonight 869 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,640 um mitch d fiesta and rusty walter also 870 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,559 as soon as they get their paperwork 871 00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:17,120 turned into danielle they as well will 872 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,200 be members um 873 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,480 rusty is going to not be so much an 874 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,039 active firefighter as he is going to be 875 00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:27,360 an assistant to me to help me with 876 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,720 report writing 877 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:29,519 um 878 00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:30,960 organizational things that i'm not 879 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,880 particularly good at he's going to help 880 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,840 me out with some of those things so um 881 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,399 i'm very fortunate to have him uh come 882 00:33:38,399 --> 00:33:40,640 aboard 883 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,200 we have two more prospects 884 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,039 which are prospective firefighters that 885 00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:47,120 are coming to meetings and training with 886 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,440 us um jesse dirks who is an employee of 887 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,720 the city and blake boddington and he was 888 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,799 a member of the valley center uh 889 00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:57,360 volunteer fire department um so a very 890 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,240 good couple of uh prospects there we did 891 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,000 lose one member jesse campbell we 892 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,399 unfortunately lost into suicide 893 00:34:04,399 --> 00:34:05,679 last year 894 00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:08,560 um as for apparatus update um you all 895 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,720 were good enough to 896 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:12,639 grant us the purchase of the heavy brush 897 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:14,879 truck and it has been ordered but the 898 00:34:14,879 --> 00:34:17,359 delivery date is uncertain 899 00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:19,119 um new equipment 900 00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:22,480 new radios uh i ordered there's three uh 901 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,240 for the for the three prospective 902 00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:27,280 firefighters um one i have ready to give 903 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,839 nathan tonight and two are on the way um 904 00:34:29,839 --> 00:34:31,440 they've been ordered 905 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,320 you know 906 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,200 again 907 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,280 who knows um i've been told that the 908 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,359 that the 909 00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:39,679 timeline has been moved up so hopefully 910 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,760 we'll get those pretty soon 911 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,000 in the area of training uh the 912 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,480 scafa school which is an annual school 913 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,720 in topeka that we go to 914 00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:50,240 um was 915 00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:53,359 postponed in 2020 but they so they kind 916 00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:56,480 of forced it in uh 2021 917 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,119 in august it's usually in march so 918 00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:02,800 myself um ignacio acevedo dave lockwood 919 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,640 and weston geesbrick attended that 920 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:05,520 school 921 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,520 um and it was 922 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,839 for the most part pretty good but there 923 00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:16,400 was some unorganized um 924 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,560 things going on one class i went to the 925 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,640 instructor never showed up 926 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:21,440 you know 927 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,119 so but then there was a couple of things 928 00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:25,920 like that but anyway um it was still uh 929 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,760 the class i really did enjoy was the 930 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,240 wildland firefighting class a lot of 931 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:32,960 wildland firefighting classes refer to 932 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,160 forestry 933 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,400 and you get to get your red card which 934 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,920 you're you're an official wildland 935 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,640 firefighter and you can go to these 936 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,880 federal wildland fires 937 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,000 they that training um is mostly forest 938 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,640 firefighting and so you learn techniques 939 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,400 for that type of firefighting but we 940 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,280 fight fire wildland fire here in kansas 941 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,520 much differently and so i really 942 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,599 appreciated a class that the kansas 943 00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:00,240 forestry service put on for fighting 944 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:02,960 wildland fires here in kansas a wealth 945 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,599 of information it was a great class 946 00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:07,119 um as for 947 00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:10,320 um runs and other training i'll have a 948 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,400 full report at the close of the year 949 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,880 um but as you may know last week tuesday 950 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,560 night and into wednesday morning we 951 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,800 fought two back-to-back 952 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,440 house fires both of them were involved 953 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,000 fully involved when we got there and uh 954 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,160 they're still standing you know but the 955 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,800 damage was heavy on both of them 956 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,760 one was uh on washington street 957 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,760 and assisting us on that one were durham 958 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,920 fire and marion fire departments 959 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,680 and the other one was on schmidt lane in 960 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,520 lehi and assisting us there were lehigh 961 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,599 fire department durham fire department 962 00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:43,760 and gossip fire departments 963 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,560 so that was uh that was a long night 964 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,560 so um that's about all i have for a 965 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,560 report any questions anything you guys 966 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:51,760 would like to know about the fire 967 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,160 department the uh you mentioned the uh 968 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,720 the grants and some of the the the 969 00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:59,119 equipment that you received last year i 970 00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:00,720 know that you've had opportunities to 971 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,119 put some of that to use already yeah in 972 00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:05,280 the past year yeah almost all of it i 973 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,440 wore my new bunker gear on these flyers 974 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,200 you know we did we had to wait a while 975 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,839 for because when we got our new coats 976 00:37:11,839 --> 00:37:13,920 the sleeves i'm not kidding you my 977 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,880 sleeves were that much too long 978 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,280 so we had to send them back and you know 979 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,680 get them re-you know refit and that 980 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,680 there was quite a delay but we do we 981 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,000 have them now and they're in service 982 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,760 i'm thinking too about your boats the 983 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,920 boats we've used the boats yep 984 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,320 also we helped with the water rescue and 985 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,480 peabody we helped with some water we 986 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,960 didn't do a rescue there peabody uh 987 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,880 affected the rescue before we got there 988 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,000 using their 989 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,560 heavy brush truck right and um 990 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,800 which was effective uh so we helped with 991 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,800 some reconnaissance and you know making 992 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,079 sure that there because there were some 993 00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:51,040 people that were staying in their homes 994 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,680 and we're encouraging them to come out 995 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,480 and they elected not to but we had that 996 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,630 means to get them out here right 997 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,720 it's good stuff yeah we're really blessed here yeah we 998 00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:07,680 really are you know we've got a great 999 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,230 membership it's it's really working well 1000 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:15,119 okay any any challenges uh coming up 1001 00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:16,320 that uh 1002 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:25,109 we need 1003 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:27,599 i know that that's on the forefront of 1004 00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:29,440 this uh council and so 1005 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,480 we applaud that um and we are we are 1006 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,720 ready and we stand ready you know to do 1007 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:36,240 whatever you know you never know what 1008 00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:38,320 the call is right you never know what 1009 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,680 that call is going to be 1010 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,560 last night at 11 45 it was 1011 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,160 tapered town houses 1012 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,119 and i and firefighters still show up in 1013 00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:49,440 their bunker gear wearing a pack in the 1014 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,680 fire truck i mean ready to fight fire 1015 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,280 even though 1016 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,240 we probably know that someone burns 1017 00:38:56,240 --> 00:39:01,680 something on the stove you know but but they still respond the way they're 1018 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,440 supposed to got to call the airport 1019 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,720 that's unusual for you that wasn't 1020 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,200 it's happened before though 1021 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,640 same kind of airplane too as a matter of 1022 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,480 fact 1023 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,440 yeah bonanza yeah yeah the v-wing the 1024 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,720 v-tail 1025 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:18,079 yeah 1026 00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:19,680 so um 1027 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,359 it will 1028 00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:23,440 what it what are your plans to do with 1029 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,440 that with that bay that the when the 1030 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,599 ambulance moves up 1031 00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:29,280 have you got plans for what you're going 1032 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,200 to put in that bay we'll probably put 1033 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,720 the boats there 1034 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:34,320 you know that way we can because right 1035 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,040 now we have to go there to get them and 1036 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,960 that takes quite a bit of time and when 1037 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,640 there's a water rescue you know 1038 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,119 emergency charms of the yes right so 1039 00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:44,320 we'll back the boats in there because 1040 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,560 the rescue truck is what typically hauls 1041 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,560 them my truck can haul them too 1042 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,240 and that way just move move over a 1043 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:52,240 couple of bays hook them up and go got 1044 00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:53,680 it so that's more likely what will 1045 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,119 happen 1046 00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:56,800 and they'll fit nicely in that space 1047 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,320 super 1048 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,720 any other comments or questions for 1049 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:03,349 chief 1050 00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:05,119 thank you very much you're welcome glad 1051 00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:06,960 to bring on this new firefighter will 1052 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:11,220 you oh yeah 1053 00:40:11,230 --> 00:40:17,030 [Music] 1054 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,200 it takes a good leader and and you've 1055 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,200 provided excellent leadership for our department and we appreciate it 1056 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,720 very much i think what i've done the 1057 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:26,640 best is just not messed it up there you 1058 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,200 go sometimes sometimes that's the best 1059 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,480 yeah 1060 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,700 thanks again all right thank y'all 1061 00:40:31,700 --> 00:40:34,640 [Music] 1062 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,119 okay we're now into believe it or not 1063 00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:38,480 our business section 1064 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,599 and uh 1065 00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:44,640 first item up is ordinance 1336-2021 1066 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,079 series a refunding bonds 1067 00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:51,119 mr styles yes uh so we've got greg 1068 00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:54,000 varnberg here from uh raymond james and 1069 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,680 to talk a little bit about kind of how 1070 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,599 the bond sale went the ordinance and the 1071 00:40:57,599 --> 00:40:59,599 resolution are related to the final sale 1072 00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:01,920 and um the rate are 1073 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,400 basically the final sale uh so i will 1074 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,720 actually let greg 1075 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:08,240 talk about 1076 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:12,230 how things went 1077 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:18,150 i think you're on mute greg 1078 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,560 i can't hear you 1079 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,319 let me see if i got something going on 1080 00:41:22,319 --> 00:41:24,560 he's off now should be 1081 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:30,710 oh 1082 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:32,480 still can't hear you i'm sorry greg we 1083 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,800 can't hear you we're not getting 1084 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,109 audio 1085 00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:41,760 well this mute did go away though 1086 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,079 yeah 1087 00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:50,230 technical difficulties 1088 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,240 he's gonna come back yeah come back in 1089 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,800 and yeah i believe so so 1090 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,000 uh what we have 1091 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,920 what was included in the pack it was of 1092 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:01,440 course the ordinance for you to take a 1093 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,040 look at and 1094 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,880 what that does is just give you the the 1095 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,800 final amounts on all that 1096 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,960 uh what ended up happening and kind of 1097 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,680 how those things are going to be done 1098 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,319 with the refunding portion of the bonds 1099 00:42:14,319 --> 00:42:16,480 and then also the resolution there is 1100 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,720 for the sale final authorization and 1101 00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:21,359 sale of those bonds 1102 00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:23,040 uh and then 1103 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,400 greg also put in a refinancing analysis 1104 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,960 right here so hopefully 1105 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,069 we can hear him this time 1106 00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:33,760 i want to steal any of his thunder on 1107 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:49,510 this 1108 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,950 we can see you greg 1109 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,800 we can't hear you greg 1110 00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:02,630 i'm not getting anything 1111 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,000 okay 1112 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,440 well we'll uh 1113 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,960 can we call in 1114 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,640 yeah actually we couldn't you call in 1115 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,079 greg if you wanted to do that 1116 00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:14,319 let me get i will send you a number for 1117 00:43:14,319 --> 00:43:16,880 that and um 1118 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,680 you can we can maybe come back to it 1119 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:39,349 here a sec if that's something 1120 00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:40,880 sent you an email greg it'll have that 1121 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,200 call-in number you can get us into that 1122 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,040 so 1123 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,349 um let's see here 1124 00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:51,359 so the actual actions here today the 1125 00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:58,790 authorization 1126 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,420 all right greg 1127 00:44:02,430 --> 00:45:07,589 [Music] 1128 00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:09,839 sorry greg hold on a second 1129 00:45:09,839 --> 00:45:11,839 okay 1130 00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:13,359 they're not able to hear you on the 1131 00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:23,349 recording 1132 00:45:23,359 --> 00:47:07,109 i can hear you okay okay 1133 00:47:07,119 --> 00:50:55,920 thank you have it in the agenda let's 1134 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,680 so let's recap a little bit what greg 1135 00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,520 was saying sorry about the feed on that 1136 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,000 so no none of the audio greg was getting 1137 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,440 was coming out so we got a lot of 1138 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,520 feedback but what greg was saying was we 1139 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,640 had uh enterprise bank was the local 1140 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,760 bank to bid on the uh bid on the bonds 1141 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,280 and they came back with a rate of one 1142 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,119 and a half percent which was a little 1143 00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:16,559 bit higher than what we initially 1144 00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:18,559 thought but we were able to adjust their 1145 00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:19,599 uh 1146 00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:21,280 their rate in order to bring back a 1147 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,880 savings of thirty three thousand and 1148 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,640 sixty three dollars 1149 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,400 so that's that is the content of what greg was 1150 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,720 saying as far as what happened there so 1151 00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:34,960 apologies for the issue with the sound i don't know 1152 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,640 greg's microphone wasn't working or 1153 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,000 something there but 1154 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,440 um 1155 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,599 unfortunately i don't think uh our folks 1156 00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:43,520 on the zoom got to hear what was going 1157 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:44,960 on with that but 1158 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,680 um so you're correct what what also greg 1159 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,520 was saying was that the bond is share 1160 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,599 the bond ordinance and bond resolution 1161 00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:53,280 will lock in those rates and allow us to 1162 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,800 move forward with those purchases so 1163 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,880 that's kind of the just sorry about the 1164 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,680 issues with that 1165 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:02,559 okay 1166 00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:07,510 are there any questions for mr styles 1167 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,520 hearing none the first order of business 1168 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,829 is to address ordinance 1336-2021 1169 00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:16,559 series a refunding bonds 1170 00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:19,280 and accept a motion to 1171 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,720 adopt 1172 00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:22,119 ordinance 1173 00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:25,200 1336-2021 series a refunding bonds and 1174 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,760 allow the mayor to sign 1175 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,040 so moved 1176 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,319 councilman triggers moves 1177 00:52:32,319 --> 00:52:34,720 councilman lowen seconds any further 1178 00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:37,349 discussion 1179 00:52:37,359 --> 00:52:39,680 hearing none we'll pull the council 1180 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,839 councilman gearing 1181 00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:43,760 councilman mccarty yes 1182 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,319 councilman lowen yes councilman driggers 1183 00:52:46,319 --> 00:52:47,680 yes 1184 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:48,480 the 1185 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:49,960 ordinance 1186 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,040 1336-2021 series a refunding bonds 1187 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,680 is adopted and approved 1188 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,760 and the mayor will sign thank you very 1189 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,480 much 1190 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,559 now we have resolution 2021-08 1191 00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:07,280 final sale documents any comments mr 1192 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,400 styles now this this um is passed once 1193 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,400 you've authorized the bond 1194 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,480 excuse me the ordinance and so this is 1195 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,960 for the final actual sale of those stock 1196 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,640 for the actual sale and transfer those 1197 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:19,599 payments 1198 00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:20,559 okay 1199 00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:22,640 would somebody care to make a motion to 1200 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:27,270 approve resolution 2021-08 1201 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,400 councilman mccarty moves okay second 1202 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,760 councilman lowens seconds 1203 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,680 any further discussion 1204 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,440 hearing none will pull the council 1205 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,079 councilman driggers yes councilman lowen 1206 00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:42,480 yes councilman mccarty councilman 1207 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,480 gearing yes 1208 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,040 okay resolution 1209 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:51,990 2021-08 final sale documents are adopted 1210 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,520 okay 1211 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,319 moving on to back to our strategic plan 1212 00:53:56,319 --> 00:53:57,680 mr styles 1213 00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,599 sir so uh 1214 00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:00,880 the strategic plan that we've been 1215 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,720 reviewing i think we're ready for final 1216 00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:05,200 approval um i put it in the dropbox 1217 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,760 because this is a huge file so hopefully 1218 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,480 we're all able to navigate to that we 1219 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,720 did make a small 1220 00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:14,800 couple small changes to it i did add tim 1221 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,160 blodgett's contributions in the 1222 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,640 procedure section uh and we removed the 1223 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:19,760 special acknowledgements because you 1224 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,599 didn't really have anything under that 1225 00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:24,079 special acknowledgement section but um 1226 00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:26,240 we did do a few tweaks on some of the 1227 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:28,559 layout stuff but by and large everything 1228 00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:30,079 in there is exactly the same as what you 1229 00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:31,920 saw before except for that note on tim 1230 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,400 blodget's contribution so 1231 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,240 unless there's something you guys would 1232 00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:38,079 like to make an adjustment on i think 1233 00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:39,599 we're ready to 1234 00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:43,680 uh do a final approval and then get down the road putting it on the website 1235 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,440 and making paper copies for folks and 1236 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,880 getting going on doing the work 1237 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,480 hey 1238 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:53,920 any 1239 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,470 questions 1240 00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,119 hearing none i'd accept a motion to 1241 00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:01,760 approve the strategic plan 1242 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,720 for the city of hillsboro 1243 00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:06,480 i'd like to make that motion 1244 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:11,760 councilman lowen moves is there a second 1245 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,240 councilman gearing seconds 1246 00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:16,799 any further discussion 1247 00:55:16,799 --> 00:55:20,079 hearing none all those in favor say i 1248 00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:22,559 opposed motion carries 1249 00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:25,680 we now move on to adam's brown 1250 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,559 engagement letter mr styles thank you 1251 00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:30,799 sir so adam's brown's been our auditing 1252 00:55:30,799 --> 00:55:32,720 service now for several of the last 1253 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:34,559 fiscal years and we've actually had 1254 00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:36,319 finished our we normally do a three-year 1255 00:55:36,319 --> 00:55:37,760 engagement with them 1256 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,520 um and so 1257 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,760 2020 marked the end of that and so they 1258 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,720 proposed another three-year 1259 00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:46,960 engagement letter for that 1260 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,720 auditing services for the three years 1261 00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:55,359 are uh 17 750 18 275 and 18 830 which is 1262 00:55:55,359 --> 00:55:57,359 uh three percent per year increase 1263 00:55:57,359 --> 00:55:58,480 essentially 1264 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,559 um and that totals out to fifty four 1265 00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:03,760 thousand eight hundred and fifty five 1266 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,520 thousand dollars there 1267 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,559 for the total package on that uh it's 1268 00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:10,240 actually a slight reduction in fee from 1269 00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:13,119 what we paid this year because as 1270 00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:15,200 danielle hollings was talking about when 1271 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:16,240 she presented the audit they're 1272 00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:18,400 adjusting how they look at the cvb in 1273 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,359 the library uh and then a couple of the 1274 00:56:21,359 --> 00:56:23,040 rec commission 1275 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,640 they're moving them to what they call uh 1276 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,559 they're just a governmental unit versus 1277 00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:30,640 going through a full audit 1278 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,319 they're we don't they're not required to 1279 00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:33,680 have a full audit and so they've made 1280 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,280 that suggestion and that that will save 1281 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,520 us a little bit of money 150 not a ton 1282 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,680 but uh it's it's always nice when the 1283 00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,599 fee stays that stays the same or goes 1284 00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:42,960 down a little bit 1285 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,200 um we could always have an option if we 1286 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:46,720 wanted to go out for auditing services 1287 00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:49,040 you could you could put that out for bid 1288 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,040 um we've been satisfied with the way 1289 00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,960 they've done it i can tell you having 1290 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,119 switched auditors before it can be can 1291 00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:57,440 be a little bit of a headache as far as 1292 00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:58,640 you kind of get used to somebody's 1293 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,559 process and kind of how you submit 1294 00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:02,319 documentation to them 1295 00:57:02,319 --> 00:57:04,160 so getting a new person can be a little 1296 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:05,839 bit tricky 1297 00:57:05,839 --> 00:57:08,400 we did i did talk to 1298 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,799 similar size cities and then the fee 1299 00:57:10,799 --> 00:57:12,400 that we've been seeing or we got back 1300 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,160 was around somewhere between 16 and 20 1301 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,480 000 a year so they're not 1302 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,720 completely out of whack 1303 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,680 so it seems like it's something that 1304 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,000 we we don't have any as staff don't have 1305 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,240 any issue with moving forward with 1306 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:27,839 another three year engagement patterns 1307 00:57:27,839 --> 00:57:29,680 around 1308 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,599 the reason we're doing it you know 1309 00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:33,920 reason we do the uh audit every year is 1310 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,359 we're prior to because of our bond 1311 00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:37,119 covenants is but it's also 1312 00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:39,920 about being able to provide adequate and 1313 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,359 clear financial information to the 1314 00:57:41,359 --> 00:57:42,559 public to let them know that we're 1315 00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:46,309 spending their money appropriately so 1316 00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:47,760 that is kind of how we do it and the 1317 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,520 cost of that is always divided up we 1318 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,839 divide it between the general fund 1319 00:57:51,839 --> 00:57:53,920 and our utility funds so utility funds 1320 00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,280 pay a little bit the general fund pays 1321 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,119 for it too so that's kind of how it gets 1322 00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:00,870 paid 1323 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,760 okay any questions 1324 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,109 comments 1325 00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:09,520 hearing none i'd accept a motion to 1326 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,640 approve uh the engagement letter for 1327 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,040 adam's brown 1328 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:16,400 uh as our 1329 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,400 city auditing firm 1330 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,000 and 1331 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,760 is that something i'm to sign you're 1332 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,440 going to sign yeah you can sign that one 1333 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,160 okay and authorize the mayor to sign 1334 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:27,520 a move 1335 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:28,720 okay 1336 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,720 so 1337 00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,040 what's that 1338 00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,680 councilman mccarty moves second second 1339 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,760 by councilman triggers 1340 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,319 any further discussion 1341 00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:43,760 hearing none all those in favor say aye 1342 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,079 okay all those opposed 1343 00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:47,920 motion carries 1344 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,559 we are now to agenda item five in the 1345 00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:53,040 business section kpp voting member 1346 00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,720 selection mr styles okay so the kpp 1347 00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:58,640 annual meeting is coming up in december 1348 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,040 on seven tenths of wichita and so we as 1349 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,839 a city get one vote as as but in order 1350 00:59:03,839 --> 00:59:05,200 to do that we have to officially 1351 00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:06,640 designate the representative for the 1352 00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:07,520 city 1353 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,760 uh and then we can name alternates if we 1354 00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,280 need more than one 1355 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,440 but one is recommended at least you can 1356 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:14,799 have more than one 1357 00:59:14,799 --> 00:59:16,559 um i'm planning on attending but you 1358 00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:17,760 know mayor thurston is actually on the 1359 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,839 board for kpp so it makes sense to make 1360 00:59:19,839 --> 00:59:22,000 him the authorized voter for the city of 1361 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,960 hillsborough and i'll be happy to be the 1362 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:25,839 um 1363 00:59:25,839 --> 00:59:28,079 you know alternative if that's what what 1364 00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:29,520 you want to do so 1365 00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,200 uh we're 1366 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:32,799 know 1367 00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:35,599 recommending approving uh designated 1368 00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:37,680 mayor lutheran as the kpb voting 1369 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,990 delegate and myself as the alternate 1370 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,670 questions 1371 00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,599 the only thing i would say is i don't 1372 00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:48,559 know that 1373 00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:50,480 being on the board means that i have to 1374 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,960 be the voting member 1375 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,200 no i don't think so and i know that uh 1376 00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,599 councilman lowen in the past has shown 1377 00:59:57,599 --> 00:59:59,520 interest in kpp and 1378 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,920 been our voting member before 1379 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,160 and so i guess i want to put it out 1380 01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,000 there david if that's something you 1381 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,520 would like to continue 1382 01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,680 doing you know i 1383 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,000 i'm fine not doing it this time around 1384 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,520 okay 1385 01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,040 well that's fine i think i can attend 1386 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,910 the meeting anyway 1387 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,440 that's fine i just didn't want you to 1388 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,520 feel like we were 1389 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,599 pushing you pushing you aside that 1390 01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:26,000 wasn't that wasn't the case 1391 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,359 i'll let you know when i feel pushed 1392 01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:28,960 here okay thank you 1393 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,160 yeah 1394 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,079 very good 1395 01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:35,359 okay any other questions or comments 1396 01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:38,079 hearing none i'll accept a motion to 1397 01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:40,640 approve mayor lou thurston this kpp 1398 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,880 voting delegate and matt styles as 1399 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,799 voting alternate 1400 01:00:44,799 --> 01:00:46,720 councilman gearing moves is there a 1401 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,640 second 1402 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,960 councilman triggers seconds any further 1403 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,640 discussion 1404 01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:56,160 hearing none all those in favor say i 1405 01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:57,440 opposed 1406 01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,520 motion carries 1407 01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,040 agenda item 1408 01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,920 g6 amendment to personnel policy 1409 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,000 employee appeals process 1410 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,720 mr stiles thank you sir uh so our 1411 01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,720 current employee handbook doesn't have 1412 01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,319 an appeals process regarding 1413 01:01:12,319 --> 01:01:14,160 disciplinary action so if 1414 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,760 uh an employee has any kind of 1415 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,440 disciplinary action up to and including 1416 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,839 termination there's no actual formal way 1417 01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:21,440 for them to appeal that 1418 01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,440 um that kansas is an at will employment 1419 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,000 state and you can be let go for any 1420 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,480 reason at any time but uh public specter 1421 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,200 employees do have a right or have an 1422 01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:32,559 opportunity have to have an opportunity 1423 01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:35,680 for public for due process and so 1424 01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,319 um attaching you know putting in a 1425 01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:39,920 disciplinary 1426 01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,400 appeals process which serves to fill 1427 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:43,760 that 1428 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,680 fulfill that obligation to public 1429 01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:47,119 employees and it's the right thing to do 1430 01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:48,880 honestly i was a little surprised to 1431 01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,880 find we didn't have one but 1432 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,599 we were able to to draft one and 1433 01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:55,599 kimberlyn helped put that draft together 1434 01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:57,599 we modeled it off another uh another 1435 01:01:57,599 --> 01:01:59,440 community's policy but 1436 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,240 um so what would happen in this proposed 1437 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,039 situation is if somebody 1438 01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:07,359 has a departure has a disciplinary 1439 01:02:07,359 --> 01:02:08,640 action 1440 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,319 the process would go that the city clerk 1441 01:02:10,319 --> 01:02:12,319 would collect all the information 1442 01:02:12,319 --> 01:02:14,720 regarding that and then set up a hearing 1443 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,960 i would be with the city administrator 1444 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,799 unless it was a complaint against 1445 01:02:18,799 --> 01:02:20,559 something that i have done and then it 1446 01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:23,520 would go to the mayor or his destiny 1447 01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,200 they would have the ability to present 1448 01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:26,799 that there wouldn't be any attorneys 1449 01:02:26,799 --> 01:02:29,119 present for the city or for the person 1450 01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:30,799 issuing the discipline or for the person 1451 01:02:30,799 --> 01:02:32,319 who's appealing 1452 01:02:32,319 --> 01:02:33,520 and then you know they would have an 1453 01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,079 opportunity to be heard and then the 1454 01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:38,079 person would have to issue an opinion on 1455 01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:40,079 what what the disciplinary action was to 1456 01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:42,960 be upheld or changed modified or uh to 1457 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,200 be dismissed so 1458 01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:49,839 that's kind of the process that we're suggesting are we're 1459 01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:51,920 moving forward for approval recommending 1460 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:53,520 for approval i don't know if you have 1461 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,039 anything to add to that camera at all 1462 01:02:57,039 --> 01:02:58,240 okay 1463 01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,000 so what would happen if you guys did 1464 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,000 choose to add this to personal policies 1465 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,400 everybody would be given a copy of it 1466 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:05,760 and anytime we make a change to the 1467 01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,520 personal policy require that all 1468 01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,680 employees have signed an acknowledgement 1469 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:10,880 sheet saying that they got it and that 1470 01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,799 they've read it so 1471 01:03:12,799 --> 01:03:14,160 that's what would happen with this 1472 01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,750 particular case 1473 01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:22,870 any questions 1474 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,000 hearing none 1475 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,160 i'd accept a motion to approve the 1476 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,359 proposed appeals process and add it to 1477 01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:32,160 the personnel policy 1478 01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:33,119 so 1479 01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:35,520 councilman driger's moves 1480 01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,680 is there a second 1481 01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,920 councilman mccarty seconds 1482 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,109 any further discussion 1483 01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:46,319 hearing none all those in favor say aye 1484 01:03:46,319 --> 01:03:47,599 opposed 1485 01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:50,000 motion carries 1486 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,799 we are now on to item seven november 1487 01:03:52,799 --> 01:03:55,119 through january meeting schedule mr 1488 01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:57,680 styles thank you sir so uh at the last 1489 01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,200 meeting councilman 1490 01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,000 uh lowen requested that we look at uh 1491 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,680 moving middle school basketball because 1492 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:04,799 the middle school basketball practice 1493 01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:06,400 movement are sliding our meeting time a 1494 01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,880 little later into the evening uh 1495 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,559 dave and i had gotten together and 1496 01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:12,640 talked about that we looked at 1497 01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:13,440 just 1498 01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:14,880 there's some specific dates in there 1499 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,319 that maybe didn't need to be changed but 1500 01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:17,920 just for simplicity's sake we're saying 1501 01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,000 november to january so that would be 1502 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,280 november 2 and 16 december 7 and 21 and 1503 01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,520 january 4 and 18. 1504 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,920 moving the start time to 6 30 unless you 1505 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,520 wanted to say something else on that one 1506 01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,760 day we talk 6 30 but 1507 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,319 if it works better for someone later 1508 01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:36,000 that's fine too i don't 1509 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,880 i'm not upset on that but 6 30 is fine 1510 01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,440 with me 1511 01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,079 well that should give you time to get 1512 01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:45,920 wrapped up i know 1513 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,079 in the past had we done six and that was 1514 01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:50,240 maybe a bit of a challenge so 1515 01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,599 yeah 6 30 sounds better 1516 01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:55,280 any other 1517 01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:56,960 questions or comments 1518 01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:58,319 so to do this you have to make an 1519 01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:00,000 official action because you are moving 1520 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,190 your meeting time so 1521 01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,319 okay 1522 01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:07,200 um 1523 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,039 i'd accept a motion to approve moving 1524 01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:10,880 the regular city council meeting start 1525 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,760 time for the months of november 1526 01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,680 december 2021 and january 2022 1527 01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,160 to 6 30 p.m 1528 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:25,270 somebody care to make that motion 1529 01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,200 councilman gearing moves is there a 1530 01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,400 second 1531 01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,720 councilman drinkers this is a second any 1532 01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:35,280 further discussion 1533 01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,480 hearing none all those in favor say aye 1534 01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,319 opposed 1535 01:05:40,319 --> 01:05:41,839 motion carries 1536 01:05:41,839 --> 01:05:44,960 uh we now are agenda item eight 1537 01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,400 which is 1538 01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:51,190 job description for its chief of police 1539 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,920 mr styles thank you sir 1540 01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:55,280 just looking through the packet and i 1541 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:56,960 didn't see the actual description in 1542 01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:57,920 there 1543 01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:59,119 um 1544 01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:01,039 so what what you've got 1545 01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:02,720 on the screen here and i can it's 1546 01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:06,710 actually 1547 01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,280 okay got put in there in the wrong spot 1548 01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:10,640 my mistake 1549 01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,240 um so with chief dan's uh chief kenny's 1550 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,160 retirement 1551 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,960 that's kind of distracting um 1552 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,160 i'd like to take an opportunity to 1553 01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:21,680 review and revise any job descriptions 1554 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,119 that we have when somebody retires 1555 01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:25,520 especially dan who's been with us for 26 1556 01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:26,880 years um 1557 01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,240 there's a few things in there we needed 1558 01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,000 to kind of tweak a little bit 1559 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,039 so what we did was we provided you with 1560 01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:34,799 the job descript with the job 1561 01:06:34,799 --> 01:06:36,960 description as it currently is written 1562 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:40,319 and then also kind of look at 1563 01:06:40,319 --> 01:06:41,920 what i did on there any changes that we 1564 01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,599 made we highlighted 1565 01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:45,599 um we honestly didn't make a whole lot 1566 01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:48,319 of changes there we did add performs and 1567 01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:50,319 manages code enforcement tasks at the 1568 01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:52,640 direction of the city administrator 1569 01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,119 they do do some code enforcement for us 1570 01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:56,079 and i felt like it was probably 1571 01:06:56,079 --> 01:06:57,440 important that we put it in there for 1572 01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:58,880 them to note that 1573 01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,039 um and then we added other duties as 1574 01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:02,960 deemed necessary or assigned which ends 1575 01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:07,119 up in all of the other marginal function uh job 1576 01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:08,559 descriptions 1577 01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:11,119 we also changed the 1578 01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:13,119 education requirement to a bachelor's 1579 01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:14,720 degree or higher in a related field 1580 01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,039 preferred it didn't have any kind of 1581 01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:18,960 requirement on education other than to 1582 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:20,880 have a 1583 01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,799 high school diploma so 1584 01:07:22,799 --> 01:07:25,440 we put that in there and 1585 01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:26,720 i think that's that's probably an 1586 01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:28,240 appropriate thing to have in the police 1587 01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,079 chief position considering 1588 01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:31,359 the level of 1589 01:07:31,359 --> 01:07:33,119 knowledge that one needs to do that the 1590 01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:35,200 ability to kind of process information 1591 01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:36,319 so 1592 01:07:36,319 --> 01:07:37,520 those are the main things that we 1593 01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,520 changed uh i would note that this 1594 01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,400 position is an exempt position um 1595 01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:46,880 dan when he started as police chief had worked out to deal with the councils 1596 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,119 where it would be an hourly position for 1597 01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:49,920 him 1598 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:50,960 um 1599 01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,039 my intention would be go back to an 1600 01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:54,319 exempt position because that's what it 1601 01:07:54,319 --> 01:07:56,880 states here 1602 01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:58,160 i don't know 1603 01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,240 you know it fall definitely falls under 1604 01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:01,280 the 1605 01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:02,640 flsa 1606 01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,799 category for an exempt position 1607 01:08:04,799 --> 01:08:06,319 for whatever reason 1608 01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:08,400 hasn't been done that way in the past 1609 01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:09,599 but 1610 01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:10,880 i think that that's probably an 1611 01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,359 appropriate choice for the police chief 1612 01:08:13,359 --> 01:08:14,799 position 1613 01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:17,199 they are managing people they are indeed 1614 01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:18,480 yes says 1615 01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:23,510 so a good chunk of the job 1616 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,390 okay 1617 01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:37,669 any questions 1618 01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:40,319 the police as amended 1619 01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:43,359 okay councilman mccarty moves 1620 01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:47,920 is there a second announcement low in seconds any 1621 01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,560 further discussion 1622 01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,679 hearing none all those in favor say aye 1623 01:08:53,679 --> 01:08:54,880 opposed 1624 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,799 motion carries 1625 01:08:56,799 --> 01:08:59,199 and uh believe we have an executive 1626 01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:00,480 session 1627 01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:03,279 on the agenda mr stiles yeah i would ask 1628 01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:04,400 for 1629 01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,719 uh for 20 minutes i think we can get it 1630 01:09:06,719 --> 01:09:08,799 done in 20 minutes and i'm going to ask 1631 01:09:08,799 --> 01:09:11,199 to invite kimberlyn gilchriston to also 1632 01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:14,149 discuss 1633 01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:15,040 okay 1634 01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:15,920 does 1635 01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,600 someone have the motion in front of them 1636 01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,560 and would they care to read it please 1637 01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:26,630 i moved at the city council recess 1638 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,120 session for the purpose of discussing 1639 01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:30,880 personnel matters of non-elected 1640 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:36,239 personnel pursuant of ksa 75-4319 1641 01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:39,120 b-1 for a period of 20 minutes the 1642 01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:40,719 meeting will include the city 1643 01:09:40,719 --> 01:09:42,960 administrator and city attorney 1644 01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,560 the open meeting will resume at 6 30 6 1645 01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:51,669 30 or 5 30. 1646 01:09:51,679 --> 01:09:54,159 i had 6 30 on the brain from your from 1647 01:09:54,159 --> 01:09:57,590 our previous action sorry 1648 01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:02,000 hey we have a motion is there a second okay we have a second by 1649 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,840 counseling triggers 1650 01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,560 any further discussion 1651 01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:10,159 hearing down all those in favor say aye 1652 01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:29,350 motion carries we are now an executive 1653 01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,600 back live on the video okay well we are 1654 01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,560 back in in open session and i'd like the 1655 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,560 record to state that no action was taken 1656 01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,800 during executive session 1657 01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,480 uh 1658 01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:44,880 we do have a need to uh to go back in 1659 01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:46,719 and finish up 1660 01:10:46,719 --> 01:10:51,280 the conversations so uh 1661 01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:54,239 would somebody care to make a motion 1662 01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:56,400 yeah i moved at the city council recess 1663 01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,080 into executive session for the purpose 1664 01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,239 of discussing personnel matters 1665 01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:03,360 of non-select non-elected personnel 1666 01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:09,110 pursuant of to case sa75-4319 1667 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:10,480 be one 1668 01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:13,679 for a period of 15 minutes 1669 01:11:13,679 --> 01:11:15,040 the meeting will include the city 1670 01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,360 administrator and city attorney 1671 01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:23,360 the open meeting will resume at 5 45 45. 1672 01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:25,120 okay would somebody uh care to second 1673 01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:26,880 that motion exactly 1674 01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,280 councilman mccarty seconds any further 1675 01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:30,640 discussion 1676 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,880 hearing none all those in favor say aye 1677 01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:34,080 all right 1678 01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,560 motion carries we're back in executive 1679 01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:44,790 set 1680 01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,640 okay 1681 01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,840 we're now back in open session and again 1682 01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:51,600 would like the record to reflect that no 1683 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,000 action was taken during executive 1684 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,159 session 1685 01:11:56,159 --> 01:11:58,400 at this time 1686 01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,400 on our agenda 1687 01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:01,520 um 1688 01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,440 we would like to go back to 1689 01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:08,400 talking about the 1690 01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,880 replacing our chief of police with chief 1691 01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:12,640 kenning's retirement 1692 01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:14,320 and 1693 01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,480 we have uh 1694 01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:19,120 we have asked that 1695 01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:21,360 board members 1696 01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,000 city council members assist mr stiles in 1697 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,800 the interview process of candidates for 1698 01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,280 the position of chief of police 1699 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:30,719 and 1700 01:12:30,719 --> 01:12:33,040 those two uh council members will be 1701 01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:36,400 councilman mccarty and councilman lowen 1702 01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,199 will assist city administrator styles 1703 01:12:39,199 --> 01:12:41,280 in the interview process for candidates 1704 01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:47,910 for chief of police city of hillsborough 1705 01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:49,040 okay 1706 01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,440 now we're on to uh item h board 1707 01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:52,719 appointments 1708 01:12:52,719 --> 01:12:55,679 there are no board appointments today 1709 01:12:55,679 --> 01:12:57,679 and so we are on to sydney 1710 01:12:57,679 --> 01:13:00,400 administrator's report mr stiles 1711 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,120 okay uh so a couple things kind of 1712 01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:05,280 interesting things to talk about uh arpa 1713 01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,199 money uh we talked about that we're 1714 01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:08,800 receiving four hundred and twenty seven 1715 01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,760 thousand two hundred and five eighty uh 1716 01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:13,280 split over two payments so we've got in 1717 01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,600 the first half of that uh the clearest 1718 01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,440 use of those funds and you know probably 1719 01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:20,400 the most direct uses for water and sewer 1720 01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,159 but another category is revenue 1721 01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:23,360 replacement 1722 01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,840 and the league of municipalities and gfo 1723 01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:27,679 a which is government finance officers 1724 01:13:27,679 --> 01:13:29,760 association released some worksheets to 1725 01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,760 help determine what else revenues may be 1726 01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,400 eligible i haven't done the gfoa one yet 1727 01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,360 but i have done the lkm1 1728 01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,360 and they're showing a revenue loss we 1729 01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,360 could claim a revenue loss of up to 143 1730 01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:46,000 645 dollars 1731 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,920 get that gfoa one to finish as well so 1732 01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:51,840 what that means is you know we talked i 1733 01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,120 talked a little bit with kimberlyn about 1734 01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,280 this and um it would be appropriate to 1735 01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,120 use this football obviously the most 1736 01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:58,960 direct is still today for water and 1737 01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:00,719 sewer projects but 1738 01:14:00,719 --> 01:14:02,640 if you wanted to look at using that as 1739 01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,480 revenue replacement those those funds 1740 01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:06,320 could be taken and used 1741 01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:07,920 as revenue replacement so they could go 1742 01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:09,280 into the general fund and do other 1743 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:10,800 things 1744 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,560 like taking down our building that we're 1745 01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,719 talking about purchasing or 1746 01:14:14,719 --> 01:14:16,640 the spray park or you know whatever 1747 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,640 other projects you find worthy 1748 01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,960 for that revenue replacement so no need 1749 01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:22,159 to make a decision at this point we 1750 01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:24,400 still have a bit of time 1751 01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,480 several years before we actually have to 1752 01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:28,320 finish it but just wanted to let 1753 01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:29,840 everyone know that that is an option 1754 01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:31,679 based on what we've seen and the 1755 01:14:31,679 --> 01:14:32,719 guidance that we've got out of the 1756 01:14:32,719 --> 01:14:34,400 treasury so 1757 01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:35,440 uh 1758 01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:37,679 that is that is an option 1759 01:14:37,679 --> 01:14:39,199 for the money 1760 01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:41,280 you said received in two payments 1761 01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,760 there's nothing with having to have 1762 01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,000 spent some of this before you receive 1763 01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,159 the second payment now you have to have 1764 01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:51,199 it uh spent for uh two years after you 1765 01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:53,199 receive the last payment so 1766 01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:54,800 there are reporting requirements and 1767 01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,400 those actually just got deferred for 1768 01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,960 non-government non-entitlement entities 1769 01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:02,320 um to the end of this year so 1770 01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,800 or into next year excuse me so you know 1771 01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,480 there's no requirement to having spent 1772 01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:13,990 it by the time you get the second half 1773 01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,520 uh 128 south main uh ongoing bankruptcy 1774 01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:19,840 case on that building and so it's being 1775 01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,360 reviewed 1776 01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,120 kimberly's been monitoring that and it 1777 01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:24,800 sounds like it's gone to another 1778 01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,360 bankruptcy person kimberlyn actually 1779 01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,040 left me a message today so i don't know 1780 01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:31,120 all the details having a chance to put 1781 01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:32,159 up people 1782 01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:34,000 yeah please too 1783 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:34,880 so 1784 01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,640 the there's a new bankruptcy proceeding 1785 01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:38,640 went from my chapter 7 to chapter 13 1786 01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:40,080 which means we have a new trustee that 1787 01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,000 we're working with um i spoke with the 1788 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,960 trustee today and he is going to look 1789 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,360 over all the documents that 1790 01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,760 the enforcement officer provided 1791 01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:53,440 regarding 128 south main and 1792 01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:54,400 also 1793 01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:55,440 the 1794 01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:57,280 just just the transaction as a whole and 1795 01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,280 see if the bankruptcy court will allow 1796 01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,520 the city to purchase the property 1797 01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,360 on what they will allow um so we're 1798 01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,920 hopeful i'm hopeful to hear back in the 1799 01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,480 next week 1800 01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:10,159 okay 1801 01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:11,600 excellent 1802 01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:13,360 uh another code enforcement issue we've 1803 01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,199 got is one on one south mains the radio 1804 01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:17,280 shack quickbooks building uh there's an 1805 01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,040 open case on that it was supposed to be 1806 01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,199 heard uh we actually had to postpone 1807 01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:24,400 municipal court because uh uh kova 1808 01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,239 there's a code issue 1809 01:16:26,239 --> 01:16:28,000 with some of the folks involved and so 1810 01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:29,840 we had to postpone court so it'll be 1811 01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,080 picked back up in november again on that 1812 01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:33,120 so 1813 01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,679 the judge municipal judge asked us the 1814 01:16:35,679 --> 01:16:37,520 city to solicit bids to correct all the 1815 01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:38,719 code issues that were noted on the 1816 01:16:38,719 --> 01:16:40,000 commission are important so we're in the 1817 01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,159 process of doing that 1818 01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:44,239 housing resource commission 1819 01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:45,520 we had a grant application we were 1820 01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,120 putting together for that and that 1821 01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:48,719 determined when we were doing that that 1822 01:16:48,719 --> 01:16:50,880 we're really not a strong candidate for 1823 01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:52,880 this year's round 1824 01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:54,560 they're really focusing on rural housing 1825 01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,960 incentive districts this round and then 1826 01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,360 partnerships which we don't we have we 1827 01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:00,880 have kind of a loose partnership with a 1828 01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:02,480 potential developer but we don't have it 1829 01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:04,080 nailed down to the fact 1830 01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:05,679 to the point where i felt like we had a 1831 01:17:05,679 --> 01:17:08,560 really strong application 1832 01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,480 and sometimes it matters if you're a 1833 01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:13,120 first time applicant or not 1834 01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,360 and so made to make the decision not to 1835 01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,360 submit that as it was written because it 1836 01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,760 just didn't feel like we'd be super 1837 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,000 competitive on this round but we will 1838 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,159 retool that and develop it a little bit 1839 01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:26,400 more and then go to another grant round 1840 01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:27,840 and there's another grant coming up in 1841 01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:29,199 the next few months that we can actually 1842 01:17:29,199 --> 01:17:31,199 participate in too so 1843 01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:33,280 hopefully we'll get some of that moving 1844 01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:34,719 forward 1845 01:17:34,719 --> 01:17:36,480 uh sales tax receipts you got the sales 1846 01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:38,080 tax receipts there for you to take a 1847 01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,870 look at 1848 01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,440 august sales we're back up to seven 1849 01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:44,800 thousand nine hundred seventy six 1850 01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,760 dollars and sixty two uh sixty two cents 1851 01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:49,920 it's the highest year so far um total 1852 01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,920 for the year is over six hundred and 1853 01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,480 twenty four thousand uh which is higher 1854 01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:56,159 twenty one percent higher than it was 1855 01:17:56,159 --> 01:18:00,400 last year and then when you look at the five year average before that it's 1856 01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,400 30 higher so it continues to stay in 1857 01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:04,239 pretty healthy range which is always a 1858 01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:07,040 good thing um 1859 01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:08,800 so we're going to continue to monitor 1860 01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,280 that continuing report back out on it so 1861 01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,239 um also wanted to report on the dates 1862 01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:17,440 for uh retirement parties for 1863 01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:19,520 uh both chief ken chief kenning and ed 1864 01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:23,280 rickert another street department um 1865 01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,840 chief kenning is gonna be on the 15th 1866 01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:27,600 and that usually those usually happen 1867 01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,560 from 4 to 6 p.m um we'll have a formal 1868 01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,400 announcement that goes out on that one 1869 01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,080 and then ed was we're looking at the 1870 01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:35,199 22nd 1871 01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:36,640 same kind of situation we'll let you all 1872 01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,280 know when when those happen so 1873 01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:40,800 always good to celebrate those and of 1874 01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:42,960 course gary gary andrews will be coming 1875 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:44,880 up here too um and then we may have 1876 01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:46,560 another one actually on the horizon as 1877 01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:47,840 well but 1878 01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:49,199 uh 1879 01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:50,880 just part of the turnover here in the 1880 01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:52,480 city everybody's getting to that point 1881 01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:54,560 where they can retire so never fault 1882 01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:58,790 them when they can do it baby boomers 1883 01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,679 like the front office 1884 01:19:01,679 --> 01:19:03,280 we are making our way through that one 1885 01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:04,960 barney 1886 01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,640 i heard uh it uh had a kpp function uh i 1887 01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,120 heard what we've experienced referred to 1888 01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:15,199 as the silver tsunami 1889 01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:16,000 yeah 1890 01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,719 that might be right all right yeah 1891 01:19:18,719 --> 01:19:19,679 okay 1892 01:19:19,679 --> 01:19:23,040 any questions for mr styles 1893 01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:24,239 okay 1894 01:19:24,239 --> 01:19:27,600 council comments councilman gearing 1895 01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,679 i'm just happy to see that um 1896 01:19:29,679 --> 01:19:31,440 constituents are spending their tax 1897 01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:33,920 dollars in hillsboro 1898 01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:34,840 it's a good 1899 01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:36,080 thing yeah 1900 01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:37,280 true 1901 01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,199 councilman mccarty uh 1902 01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:40,800 i uh 1903 01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:43,840 listened to mr meyer's comments and 1904 01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,320 i'm gonna do some research i wrote his 1905 01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,719 editorial to marion paper and he said 1906 01:19:48,719 --> 01:19:50,000 some things in there i never really 1907 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:51,760 thought about the time so 1908 01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:53,360 i'm going to do a little research and i 1909 01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,280 would like to readdress that sometime 1910 01:19:55,280 --> 01:20:00,870 what we did if that's okay okay 1911 01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,040 councilman 1912 01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,760 just no comment at this point 1913 01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:06,560 okay 1914 01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,199 nothing today for me okay 1915 01:20:09,199 --> 01:20:10,800 all right is there any other business 1916 01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:15,189 that needs to come before the council 1917 01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:16,639 hearing none 1918 01:20:16,639 --> 01:20:23,750 meeting is adjourned 1919 01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:25,040 thank you everybody for your 1920 01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:28,040 participation